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Title: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 04, 2019, 09:27:02 PM
Kerry 8/11
Draw 15/2
Tyrone 6/4

Another all Ireland semi against the Kingdom. Memories of 03 and 15 come to mind. Really hard to call this one. Feels like a huge game for Tyrone. Win and they will silence the critics who say they haven't beaten a top class team when it matters.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 04, 2019, 09:49:03 PM
Place in an AIF at steak.... no excuses or worrying about critics this is a must win...semi final losers are cast off as also-rans.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 04, 2019, 10:06:17 PM
Kerry 8/11
Draw 15/2
Tyrone 6/4

Another all Ireland semi against the Kingdom. Memories of 03 and 15 come to mind. Really hard to call this one. Feels like a huge game for Tyrone. Win and they will silence the critics who say they haven't beaten a top class team when it matters.

An AISF feels like a huge game. Are all Tyronies on the sauce  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 04, 2019, 11:34:19 PM
Pedigree is everything in August football. Kerry are pedigree.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: clarshack on August 04, 2019, 11:48:26 PM
Can’t see anything but a Kerry win of 4-5 pts.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 09:16:22 AM
You can't read anything into yesterday really but felt a few lads did their cases no harm. R Donnelly and Cassidy performed well and were both withdrawn early though I heard some say it was a case of Cassidy having a niggle. I also think Hampsey coming off at HT is an indication he will  start.

There is a spot up for grabs in the half back line. I expect McGeary and Burns to start there but I think I'd opt for Cassidy over McCann and McKernan. R Donnelly could start too, possibly over McCurry.

I expect us to have Mattie and McShane inside.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 05, 2019, 09:21:11 AM
We're up against it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 05, 2019, 09:51:22 AM
Do you put Hugh Pat on Clifford? Or McNamee?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 05, 2019, 10:00:19 AM
Do you put Hugh Pat on Clifford? Or McNamee?

Will he be fit to play. Clifford that is
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: seafoid on August 05, 2019, 10:05:24 AM
Pedigree is everything in August football. Kerry are pedigree.
Pedigree vs steak

Let's see how good Kerry are
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 05, 2019, 10:21:22 AM
Kerry have 4/5 forwards that could rack up a game winning score.

Tyrone have 1....maybe 2.

That'll be the difference I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 05, 2019, 10:22:58 AM
Kerry have 4/5 forwards that could rack up a game winning score.

Tyrone have 1....maybe 2.

That'll be the difference I'm afraid.

Those 4 or 5 game winning forwards won't have faced anything like what they'll face on Sunday in fairness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 05, 2019, 10:27:20 AM
The "Bring a Friend" option is now live for the GAA Football All-Ireland Senior Championship Semi-Finals at Croke Park on August 10th & 11th. This is a limited offer and is only available until stocks last.

SATURDAY AUGUST 10th

DUBLIN v MAYO at 5.00pm

SUNDAY AUGUST 11th

KERRY v MAYO at 3.30pm

Season Ticket holders will be seated in the Cusack Stand.




It's all a big conspiracy against Trone God dammit.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 05, 2019, 11:08:44 AM
Pedigree is everything in August football. Kerry are pedigree.
Pedigree vs steak

Let's see how good Kerry are
Hopefully turn out to be pedigree chum!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 05, 2019, 11:10:46 AM
Clifford-busters is nowhere near as catchy as Gooch-busters.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: seafoid on August 05, 2019, 11:37:14 AM
Tyrone may have the best defence and Kerry have nice forwards
Kerry want to beat the Dubs to stop the 5 in a row.
Kerry never beat peak Tyrone and collected compensatory Sams vs Mayo and Cork
Should be a good match
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyroneman on August 05, 2019, 12:55:41 PM
When do tickets go on general sale?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: skeog on August 05, 2019, 12:56:59 PM
Tyrone will have the feeling of defeat in final last year as motivation.Tyrone to win narrowly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 05, 2019, 01:10:16 PM
Kerry have 4/5 forwards that could rack up a game winning score.

Tyrone have 1....maybe 2.

That'll be the difference I'm afraid.

Those 4 or 5 game winning forwards won't have faced anything like what they'll face on Sunday in fairness.

They played and drew with Donegal and beat Mayo. I'd actually argue Mayo's defence is better than Tyrone man for man.

But it's worrying, Kerry could put up a score of something stupid with ease. If Tyrone win you suspect it'll be a cagey affair, I don't get the feeling Tyrone are good enough at the back to hold all of the Kingdom attack for the whole game.

This is the game where we'll find out just how good both these teams are.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 05, 2019, 07:01:24 PM
Literally don't know who win this one. I As without sky I haven't seen Kerry this year. I seen Tyrone and I have Donegal and Mayo ahead them. Where Kerry is on the rungof the ladder I just don't know.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 05, 2019, 07:07:27 PM
I think it will come down to the midfield battle. I think with the way Tyrone play and how good they are at forcing turnovers and breaking at pace that if we can break even 50/50 on the restarts then we will have a fantastic chance to win this game. We simply have to ruthless in front of goal though, in the last meeting in 2015 Tyrone kicked that game away with missed goal chances and missed frees.

If Kerry dictate the restarts then it's going to be extremely difficult for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: under the bar on August 05, 2019, 08:15:17 PM
Kerry 8/11
Draw 15/2
Tyrone 6/4

Another all Ireland semi against the Kingdom. Memories of 03 and 15 come to mind. Really hard to call this one. Feels like a huge game for Tyrone. Win and they will silence the critics who say they haven't beaten a top class team when it matters.

An AISF feels like a huge game. Are all Tyronies on the sauce  ;D

Your last AISF was v Tyrone in 2005!  Still hurting I see  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: WhoDat on August 05, 2019, 09:39:32 PM
i think kerry will win this. tyrone more organised and will be very tight defensively, but kerry have more top quality players and it will come to the fore as the game wears on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 05, 2019, 11:23:23 PM
I think we will need a monumental midfield/defensive effort for this one, and on the back of which, we just might prevail. Kerry will be coming into this one brimming with confidence, doubtless, but the more arduous Tyrone path to this Championship juncture should stand to us.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 05, 2019, 11:39:15 PM
The Sunday game piece on how Kerry leave their full back exposed was a real eye opener. I can just imagine Donnelly and McShane exploiting that on Sunday  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 06, 2019, 12:46:46 AM
The only thing that this Kerry team are lacking in is experience of playing at this stage of the championship and for me this will get Tyrone over the line. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 07:11:59 AM
Maurice Deegan to referee this.

He absolutely shafted us in the same fixture in 2015.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 07:38:26 AM
With regards to the team for this there would be four players who could find their place in question - HP, McKernan, Kennedy and McCurry.

I thought McCurry was really poor against Cork and I'd use him off the bench next week as a result. McKernan is also better off the bench, he switches off on his defensive duties far too much. I think Kennedy starts, he gives that size and drive around the middle of the pitch, I'd like to see him start becoming more of a target on kickouts.

Tiernan McCann didn't do enough Sunday to force his way in, I'm not sure how up to speed Hampsey is or how fit he is but I think he needs to start. Cassidy did well and should start if fit but he picked up a knock before he came off.

Think I would go with something along the lines of:

1. Morgan
2. HP
3. McNamee
4. Brennan
5. Cassidy
6. Hampsey
7. Burns
8. Cavanagh
9. Kennedy
10. McGeary
11. Sludden
12. Mattie
13. Harte
14. McShane
15. Meyler

The match ups will be important, Clifford, Geaney, O'Shea and O'Brien all need to be tagged and all need it to be done well.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 06, 2019, 08:11:45 AM
Maurice Deegan to referee this.

He absolutely shafted us in the same fixture in 2015.

Tyronies complaining about being shafted by a ref the laughs keep coming, a few years ago this wold have been on page 10 by now - Tyronies playing coy or just the reality of playing a top team sinking in?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: kerryforsam19 on August 06, 2019, 08:27:49 AM
Maurice Deegan to referee this.

He absolutely shafted us in the same fixture in 2015.

He could have sent off Ronan McNabb for the high tackle on Gooch and rightly booked Padraig Nulty for dive at the end.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 06, 2019, 08:38:27 AM
With regards to the team for this there would be four players who could find their place in question - HP, McKernan, Kennedy and McCurry.

I thought McCurry was really poor against Cork and I'd use him off the bench next week as a result. McKernan is also better off the bench, he switches off on his defensive duties far too much. I think Kennedy starts, he gives that size and drive around the middle of the pitch, I'd like to see him start becoming more of a target on kickouts.

Tiernan McCann didn't do enough Sunday to force his way in, I'm not sure how up to speed Hampsey is or how fit he is but I think he needs to start. Cassidy did well and should start if fit but he picked up a knock before he came off.

Think I would go with something along the lines of:

1. Morgan
2. HP
3. McNamee
4. Brennan
5. Cassidy
6. Hampsey
7. Burns
8. Cavanagh
9. Kennedy
10. McGeary
11. Sludden
12. Mattie
13. Harte
14. McShane
15. Meyler

The match ups will be important, Clifford, Geaney, O'Shea and O'Brien all need to be tagged and all need it to be done well.

That probably wouldn't be far away from the 15 if everyone is fit. Though I'd be tempted to play McAliskey and leave Hugh Pat out (with Meyler dropping to half back and Hampsey into full back line). If did that you could start with McAliskey and McShane up front and have the option of rotating Donnelly and McShane at times. If starting McAliskey he'd need to stay up front were he is most effective. The other question mark for me is whether to start R Donnelly ahead of Burns or Kennedy.

I think we have a great chance in this one to be honest. Our forward line is a lot stronger than previous years with McShane up there and playing Harte and Donnelly closer to the opposition goals. Meyler and McGeary will be very important as we will need their energy to continually drive forward from the half back line.

It's a massive game for both teams. Both have plenty of potential but still have question marks over them. One of the big questions over Tyrone is about being able to beat a Dublin/Kerry/Mayo - hopefully that will no longer be brought up after Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 09:20:31 AM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 06, 2019, 09:33:53 AM
I'd imagine Brennan will get one of those marking jobs. Another factor is the fitness of both Hampsey and Cassidy. Cassidy seemed to be limping coming off and hard to know how fit Hampsey is.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 10:34:41 AM
I'd imagine Brennan will get one of those marking jobs. Another factor is the fitness of both Hampsey and Cassidy. Cassidy seemed to be limping coming off and hard to know how fit Hampsey is.

Could see Brennan picking up Killian Spillane.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 06, 2019, 10:38:23 AM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2019, 11:14:11 AM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.

Ditto for every defender in Ireland
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 11:44:23 AM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.

McNamee has arguably been the best defender in the country to this point. He has seen off the likes of McBrearty, Cox and Hurley well at this point. Clifford is a tough assignment for any defender but McMenamin dealt with very well for Donegal at Croke Park. Who would you suggest?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 06, 2019, 11:54:36 AM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.

McNamee has arguably been the best defender in the country to this point. He has seen off the likes of McBrearty, Cox and Hurley well at this point. Clifford is a tough assignment for any defender but McMenamin dealt with very well for Donegal at Croke Park. Who would you suggest?

Rory Brennan probably has the best profile, doesn't tend to get involved in the niggle McNamee does either concentrating on the task at hand. McNamee superior physicality probably best served marking Geaney who could overpower Brennan.

Just my opinion on the match ups. We'll see what Harte does.

That said, McNamee best defender in country to this point? Absolutely no.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: dublin7 on August 06, 2019, 12:48:06 PM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.

McNamee has arguably been the best defender in the country to this point. He has seen off the likes of McBrearty, Cox and Hurley well at this point. Clifford is a tough assignment for any defender but McMenamin dealt with very well for Donegal at Croke Park. Who would you suggest?

Rory Brennan probably has the best profile, doesn't tend to get involved in the niggle McNamee does either concentrating on the task at hand. McNamee superior physicality probably best served marking Geaney who could overpower Brennan.

Just my opinion on the match ups. We'll see what Harte does.

That said, McNamee best defender in country to this point? Absolutely no.

It helps when he has 12/13 players playing alongside him in defence. Leave him on his own in a 1 on 1 battle like Mayo/Dublin defenders and we'll see how good he is then
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 06, 2019, 01:04:21 PM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.

McNamee has arguably been the best defender in the country to this point. He has seen off the likes of McBrearty, Cox and Hurley well at this point. Clifford is a tough assignment for any defender but McMenamin dealt with very well for Donegal at Croke Park. Who would you suggest?

Rory Brennan probably has the best profile, doesn't tend to get involved in the niggle McNamee does either concentrating on the task at hand. McNamee superior physicality probably best served marking Geaney who could overpower Brennan.

Just my opinion on the match ups. We'll see what Harte does.

That said, McNamee best defender in country to this point? Absolutely no.

It helps when he has 12/13 players playing alongside him in defence. Leave him on his own in a 1 on 1 battle like Mayo/Dublin defenders and we'll see how good he is then

Dublin were fond of dropping men back on Sunday as well. Dublin are just quicker at getting them back up the pitch again.
I had McManamon at 8-1 for 1st goal scorer and was a bit gutted to see him playing so deep. Spent a lot of time in his own half back and midfield.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Hound on August 06, 2019, 01:20:35 PM

Dublin were fond of dropping men back on Sunday as well. Dublin are just quicker at getting them back up the pitch again.
I had McManamon at 8-1 for 1st goal scorer and was a bit gutted to see him playing so deep. Spent a lot of time in his own half back and midfield.
While there was some rotation, Kev was mainly at centre half forward on Sunday (Costello, Small and Andrews in the FF line). Didn't think he played overly deep for an 11, but agree as a first scorer choice you would never have bet on him at 8/1 if you thought he wasn't going to be corner forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: scout on August 06, 2019, 01:39:16 PM
Anyone got tickets online yet?
I've been in the queue twice now for both over 1.5hours. And the system crashes when it's my turn?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 06, 2019, 01:43:59 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: sambostar on August 06, 2019, 01:46:57 PM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.

McNamee has arguably been the best defender in the country to this point. He has seen off the likes of McBrearty, Cox and Hurley well at this point. Clifford is a tough assignment for any defender but McMenamin dealt with very well for Donegal at Croke Park. Who would you suggest?

Rory Brennan probably has the best profile, doesn't tend to get involved in the niggle McNamee does either concentrating on the task at hand. McNamee superior physicality probably best served marking Geaney who could overpower Brennan.

Just my opinion on the match ups. We'll see what Harte does.

That said, McNamee best defender in country to this point? Absolutely no.
I'd agree re McNamee more suited to Geaney. Rory Brennan on Sean O'Shea, Hampsey on Clifford (rough him up a bit maybe), Meyler to track SOB (serious pace)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: clarshack on August 06, 2019, 02:16:09 PM
Anyone got tickets online yet?
I've been in the queue twice now for both over 1.5hours. And the system crashes when it's my turn?

wouldn't have thought there'd be any more than 45-50k at sundays game so a bit surprised there is a big queue online for tickets.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: square_ball on August 06, 2019, 02:30:59 PM
Anyone got tickets online yet?
I've been in the queue twice now for both over 1.5hours. And the system crashes when it's my turn?

wouldn't have thought there'd be any more than 45-50k at sundays game so a bit surprised there is a big queue online for tickets.

Think it’s the demand for Dublin-Mayo match causing the system to crash.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: under the bar on August 06, 2019, 03:01:27 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

You don't like us 'cos we hammer the shite out of ye every day out, nothing to do with MH interviews.... ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 06, 2019, 03:11:10 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

Harte doesn't need this distraction in the run up to Sunday's match. Another war of words with Brolly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 06, 2019, 03:13:00 PM
Unless Harte is talking about football (sometimes even then subject depending) you shouldn't really be paying too much attention to his views on anything if we are being honest.

Man is going that way in old age just saying things to satisfy his ego I think. The referendum nonsense was a massive red flag.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blanketattack on August 06, 2019, 04:46:25 PM
Stephen O'Brien got his 3rd black card against Meath, shouldn't he be suspended for the semi-final?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2019, 04:47:02 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

Harte doesn't need this distraction in the run up to Sunday's match. Another war of words with Brolly.

Or maybe a welcome distraction in the media.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 06, 2019, 05:00:57 PM
Stephen O'Brien got his 3rd black card against Meath, shouldn't he be suspended for the semi-final?

Think O'Brien and Gavin White both have two black cards at this time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 05:12:01 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

He's absolutely 100% right, apart from the bit about the black card being because of a TV rant.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 06, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

Harte doesn't need this distraction in the run up to Sunday's match. Another war of words with Brolly.

Or maybe a welcome distraction in the media.

I'm not sure how the RTE boycott is of any benefit whatsoever to Tyrone. Surely he would have known that by cryptically having a go at RTE and Brolly without mentioning him by name, would provoke a reaction since Brolly needs absolutely no encouragement. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2019, 05:48:07 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

Harte doesn't need this distraction in the run up to Sunday's match. Another war of words with Brolly.

Or maybe a welcome distraction in the media.

I'm not sure how the RTE boycott is of any benefit whatsoever to Tyrone. Surely he would have known that by cryptically having a go at RTE and Brolly without mentioning him by name, would provoke a reaction since Brolly needs absolutely no encouragement.

Yes and who really cares?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 06, 2019, 05:55:01 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

He's absolutely 100% right, apart from the bit about the black card being because of a TV rant.
So everyone shouldn’t have the right to watch our national sport on our national broadcaster without having to be shafted by skys prices? Hmm.. Harte being a tool again me thinks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2019, 06:57:27 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

He's absolutely 100% right, apart from the bit about the black card being because of a TV rant.
So everyone shouldn’t have the right to watch our national sport on our national broadcaster without having to be shafted by skys prices? Hmm.. Harte being a tool again me thinks.

Who's being shafted? When in any time in history did the national broadcaster show every single game? So many questions...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: inroundthesquare on August 06, 2019, 07:04:20 PM
Harte is living rent-free in Brolly's head - Brolly on twitter "I dislike the man intensely and what he stands for but that's a personal matter"
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 07:50:31 PM
Brolly is a poisonous individual who seems to be going through a midlife crisis. I think it's disgraceful that he is let get away with some of the stuff he has come out with.

The agenda he was driving against McGeeney a few years ago was disgraceful and Jamie Clarke had to come out and refute a lot of the stuff he was saying as it was completely without foundation despite all the unnamed players he claimed to have spoken to.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 06, 2019, 08:08:19 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

He's absolutely 100% right, apart from the bit about the black card being because of a TV rant.

I agree with this, I don’t see much wrong in what he said
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 06, 2019, 08:10:51 PM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

He's absolutely 100% right, apart from the bit about the black card being because of a TV rant.
So everyone shouldn’t have the right to watch our national sport on our national broadcaster without having to be shafted by skys prices? Hmm.. Harte being a tool again me thinks.

When has everyone had the right to watch the games? Even before sky there would have been people couldn’t afford a tele. What did they do?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 06, 2019, 08:34:21 PM
RTE had one live football game before the provincial finals came around. There were a few very good live matches missed out on in - Cavan-Monaghan, Cavan-Armagh x2, Down-Armagh, Derry-Tyrone, Roscommon-Mayo were all missing to these people in hospitals and nursing homes. In that time RTE must have shown 9 or 10 live hurling games so Brolly has some neck to complain about these people missing out on it due to Sky.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: delgany on August 06, 2019, 08:50:07 PM
Only paid up members of the GAA  are entitled to moan about the SKY deal. They are the only people who can force a change but it is unlikely to happen.
Free to air matches are ring fenced in broadcasting legislation and therefore  the GAA are free to sell their rights to whoever.
Sky coverage had raised the analysis and it is slowly been recognised at RTE.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2019, 09:00:50 PM
Last Saturday was a bit of an anomaly and happens maybe once a year but Sky mostly shows games that would never have been shown on RTE. RTE would never give over 10 hours of coverage to GAA over a weekend to show the games they currently show and those that Sky show. They have also shown their distain for football with their early season schedule of hurling match after hurling match too. Inequality about those who get to see games is nothing new, In the past some people could afford TVs and others couldn’t, some people could afford to go to games and others couldn’t, I know of many fans in Tyrone who just couldn’t afford to bring their family to 5 games in a row - thank god Sky was there to show those matches (because RTE was nowhere to be seen) or those kids would have missed them altogether. I suspect Joe envisaged himself on Sky Sports and then getting a gig on soccer AM and being a major star on the platform but alas he was overlooked.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: WhoDat on August 06, 2019, 09:09:09 PM
Brolly is a poisonous individual who seems to be going through a midlife crisis. I think it's disgraceful that he is let get away with some of the stuff he has come out with.

The agenda he was driving against McGeeney a few years ago was disgraceful and Jamie Clarke had to come out and refute a lot of the stuff he was saying as it was completely without foundation despite all the unnamed players he claimed to have spoken to.

brolly seems to just use his platform on rte to settle scores and carry out personal agendas against particular individuals he doesn't like. his targeting and singling out of individuals is actually pretty shameful and the fact that he gets away with it time and again and often gets a little wink for doing it speaks to how ugly the discourse around gaelic football is at the moment. it's pure poison and it is being primarly fuelled by joe brolly. the man holds way too much influence for a man who never seems to actually know what he's talking about when it comes to the ins and outs of the game and who doesn't seem to truly believe in anything given how swiftly he changes his mind on everything. he rarely gets called out on any of it either. i think colm parkinson is the only gaa commentator who i've heard actually challenge anything brolly comes out with.

on mickey harte's comments....they're being wilfully misunderstood to my mind. i dont particularly like the man, but he clearly means that all the people up in arms about people in hospitals and nursing homes not being able to watch the games dont care about them at any other time. what's controversial about that? i would agree with him. people in hospitals, etc are being used as convenient accessories to bolster the anti-sky agenda. now i'm not pro sky and believe all games should be available for everyone to watch from home for free, but i also believe that tomas o'se and friends dont care that much about people sitting in nursing homes and hospitals either.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 06, 2019, 09:45:55 PM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: thewobbler on August 06, 2019, 09:49:06 PM
I would normally say the Garrick, but with Man Red kicking off their season at the same time, you’d probably be better heading west.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 06, 2019, 10:02:37 PM
I would normally say the Garrick, but with Man Red kicking off their season at the same time, you’d probably be better heading west.
How far..... Lurgan  :D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 06, 2019, 10:06:34 PM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 06, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
Cheers folks
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trileacman on August 06, 2019, 11:05:31 PM
As previously stated pretty much all of Hartes comments were correct bar the “black card/tv rant” one. The criticism of him that he shouldn’t be commenting at all on the matter are also unfair. He was asked by a journalist at a press day what his opinions were on the Sunday game analysis regarding sky, he simply noted the apparent conflict of interest, the hypocrisy of pretending to care about people in hospital and old folks home and the improved quality of sky’s analysis. There were no overtly personal or humiliating attacks on anyone which stands in contrast to how RTE have treated Harte down the years.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 06, 2019, 11:15:27 PM
Joe Brolly personally affronted by these nasty remarks. Physician, heal thyself.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blanketattack on August 07, 2019, 01:04:15 AM
The anti-Sky comments are parochial.
Up to 1990, the semi-finals and All Ireland final were the only live games, yet nobody gave out about the other games not being on rte or the cost that it resulted in.
Now a 2nd round qualifier gets shown on Sky that would never have been on Rte to begin with and people are up in arms against Sky.
Poor old farmer Joe with his €2000 50" LCD can't afford satellite TV, and sure the only game he'll go to is the All Ireland final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Taylor on August 07, 2019, 08:21:15 AM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 07, 2019, 08:33:03 AM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Would there be anywhere closer to the Europa? Cheers
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: lenny on August 07, 2019, 08:53:31 AM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??

They would certainly show all the super 8 games anyway. Matches must be free to air at the business end of the season. Micky Harte sticking up for sky is just a petty, vindictive dig at rte.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 09:01:44 AM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??

They would certainly show all the super 8 games anyway.
Matches must be free to air at the business end of the season. Micky Harte sticking up for sky is just a petty, vindictive dig at rte.

Ahead of the hurling quarter finals which are on at the same time? Pull the other one!!
RTE had ample opportunity to show the football championship in May and June for the poor frail people in hospitals but they didn't bother their holes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 07, 2019, 09:21:01 AM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??

They would certainly show all the super 8 games anyway. Matches must be free to air at the business end of the season. Micky Harte sticking up for sky is just a petty, vindictive dig at rte.

Would you expect RTE to show ALL the super 8 games? 4 matches per week over 3 weekends? Do you really think they will allocate approx 12 hours of scheduling each week to football before we even talk about the hurling? Or do we expect Sky (or anyone else) to show these games but when a decent one comes along we start to worry about the frail and elderly people so RTE can jump in and show the match. Utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: clarshack on August 07, 2019, 09:28:20 AM
Anyone got tickets online yet?
I've been in the queue twice now for both over 1.5hours. And the system crashes when it's my turn?

wouldn't have thought there'd be any more than 45-50k at sundays game so a bit surprised there is a big queue online for tickets.

Think it’s the demand for Dublin-Mayo match causing the system to crash.

even this morning it's saying the wait is over an hour. seems a bit strange tbh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Taylor on August 07, 2019, 09:43:44 AM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??

They would certainly show all the super 8 games anyway. Matches must be free to air at the business end of the season. Micky Harte sticking up for sky is just a petty, vindictive dig at rte.

Yeah off course they would  ::)

But what about the other 24 or 25 counties - do they elderly who cant make it to their games not count?

The coverage RTE give of the national games is nothing short of a disgrace.
I understand not every game can be shown but RTE have paid lip service on many occasions to showing games but when someone else comes along delivering a far better product (apart from listening to constant shite talking from Dick) they suddenly have an issue.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 09:54:26 AM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??

They would certainly show all the super 8 games anyway. Matches must be free to air at the business end of the season. Micky Harte sticking up for sky is just a petty, vindictive dig at rte.

Man of God - nothing to see here - move on!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 07, 2019, 09:57:01 AM
Jaysus has anyone seen Hartes latest comments on Sky/Rte? Couldn’t like them Tyrones huers if ye reared them.

He's absolutely 100% right, apart from the bit about the black card being because of a TV rant.
So everyone shouldn’t have the right to watch our national sport on our national broadcaster without having to be shafted by skys prices? Hmm.. Harte being a tool again me thinks.

When has everyone had the right to watch the games? Even before sky there would have been people couldn’t afford a tele. What did they do?

Now you you are just being a ballbag!  The world has moved on!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??

They would certainly show all the super 8 games anyway. Matches must be free to air at the business end of the season. Micky Harte sticking up for sky is just a petty, vindictive dig at rte.

Would you expect RTE to show ALL the super 8 games? 4 matches per week over 3 weekends? Do you really think they will allocate approx 12 hours of scheduling each week to football before we even talk about the hurling? Or do we expect Sky (or anyone else) to show these games but when a decent one comes along we start to worry about the frail and elderly people so RTE can jump in and show the match. Utter nonsense.



There were many fantastic games in May and June that RTE ignored in favour of "the sport of the gods". Where was the concern for the old and frail then? Forgive me if I'm cynical towards this sudden empathy for elderly people. It's driven by Anglophobia and nothing else. It's why eirsport get off the hook despite charging more... for league games!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 07, 2019, 10:24:20 AM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Would there be anywhere closer to the Europa? Cheers

You'd get the game in Lavery's which would be in walking distance. The Bot would be more like a taxi....you could walk it too if you've time to spare though and it's decent weather.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 07, 2019, 10:47:41 AM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Would there be anywhere closer to the Europa? Cheers

You'd get the game in Lavery's which would be in walking distance. The Bot would be more like a taxi....you could walk it too if you've time to spare though and it's decent weather.
Thank you
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: bogball88 on August 07, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Nacy Mulligans in Castle Street beside the Europa will 100% be showing it. 5 minute walk max
Would there be anywhere closer to the Europa? Cheers

You'd get the game in Lavery's which would be in walking distance. The Bot would be more like a taxi....you could walk it too if you've time to spare though and it's decent weather.
Thank you
Nancy Mulligans on Castle Street will 100% be showing it. 5 minute walk max from Europa
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 11:07:21 AM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Nacy Mulligans in Castle Street beside the Europa will 100% be showing it. 5 minute walk max
Would there be anywhere closer to the Europa? Cheers

You'd get the game in Lavery's which would be in walking distance. The Bot would be more like a taxi....you could walk it too if you've time to spare though and it's decent weather.
Thank you
Nancy Mulligans on Castle Street will 100% be showing it. 5 minute walk max from Europa
You may get a screen somewhere in it but it’s the last night of the Féile so....

https://mobile.twitter.com/nancysbelfast/status/1158761408110243841
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: seafoid on August 07, 2019, 11:25:55 AM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??

They would certainly show all the super 8 games anyway. Matches must be free to air at the business end of the season. Micky Harte sticking up for sky is just a petty, vindictive dig at rte.

I got the impression that Harte doesn't realise how bad things are

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-defends-sky-s-role-in-gaa-coverage-1.3977743

“I think we can’t bring those things together; the decline in attendances just because Dublin are so good. I mean, what about the fact there is so much football on television now? Why would people get off their armchair when they can see it all and the analysis and replays and everything else in their own front room?” he asked.
“And there are lots games that Dublin are not involved in and I think there are decent crowds going to matches. People seem to forget that back in the day you might have seen highlights of an Ulster final if you were lucky and before that, you only saw televised games in the All-Ireland final and semi-finals.
“Back then, there wasn’t wonderful crowds going either. I saw All-Ireland semi-finals where there wasn’t 25,000 at it.”

Attendances have been falling since 2001 . The game is in a crisis, and competition is at the heart of it

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dark-night-for-meath-folk-who-remember-the-glory-days-1.3935127
"The sight of a once vicious rivalry surviving on life support is the GAA’s primetime product on the third weekend of June in 2019.
So finishes the decade with the Leinster football championship in ruin as any sense of competitiveness is lost. An era that begun with Meath thumping Dublin to the tune of 5-9 to 0-13 in this very fixture concludes with no provincial rivalry to speak about."

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: belfastkev on August 07, 2019, 11:49:29 AM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Would there be anywhere closer to the Europa? Cheers

You'd get the game in Lavery's which would be in walking distance. The Bot would be more like a taxi....you could walk it too if you've time to spare though and it's decent weather.
Thank you

The Garrick on Chichester Street (past the front of the City Hall) will definitely be showing it in their front bar. They've had all the Tyrone matches so far this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 07, 2019, 11:50:21 AM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Nacy Mulligans in Castle Street beside the Europa will 100% be showing it. 5 minute walk max
Would there be anywhere closer to the Europa? Cheers

You'd get the game in Lavery's which would be in walking distance. The Bot would be more like a taxi....you could walk it too if you've time to spare though and it's decent weather.
Thank you
Nancy Mulligans on Castle Street will 100% be showing it. 5 minute walk max from Europa
You may get a screen somewhere in it but it’s the last night of the Féile so....

https://mobile.twitter.com/nancysbelfast/status/1158761408110243841
Ah bollox HS!! . looks great craic
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 04:45:39 PM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??
Wrong question, it's not about RTE or what they would or would not show, Sky took over the TV3 package.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 07, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??
Wrong question, it's not about RTE or what they would or would not show, Sky took over the TV3 package.

Had TV3 not already ended their coverage prior to Sky?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on August 07, 2019, 05:22:48 PM
The standard of sky's coverage is also far better
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 05:25:04 PM
The standard of sky's coverage is also far better
It would want to be, the fcukin price of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trileacman on August 07, 2019, 05:58:04 PM
The standard of sky's coverage is also far better
It would want to be, the fcukin price of it.

No-one with more than half a brain should be paying full price for sky. Get onto the android boxes thread pronto.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 07, 2019, 06:58:07 PM
Had my hair cut by an oul lad in Kenmare today who played against Tyrone in Dungannon in the early '50s.  Hope for a good game on Sunday and may the best team win was the sentiment. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 07, 2019, 07:02:18 PM
Had my hair cut by an oul lad in Kenmare today who played against Tyrone in Dungannon in the early '50s.  Hope for a good game on Sunday and may the best team win was the sentiment.
Christ, that is an oul lad. He give you a skin fade?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 07, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
Had my hair cut by an oul lad in Kenmare today who played against Tyrone in Dungannon in the early '50s.  Hope for a good game on Sunday and may the best team win was the sentiment.

Might be off by a decade there.  Pete Hanley played a handful of league games in goal for Kerry in 1966/1967.  Maybe a challenge game in Dungannon?  Or a load of yerra for the Tyronie in town?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 07, 2019, 07:15:41 PM
Had my hair cut by an oul lad in Kenmare today who played against Tyrone in Dungannon in the early '50s.  Hope for a good game on Sunday and may the best team win was the sentiment.

Might be off by a decade there.  Pete Hanley played a handful of league games in goal for Kerry in 1966/1967.  Maybe a challenge game in Dungannon?  Or a load of yerra for the Tyronie in town?

That's the one-yerra a possibility. Nice oul skin all the same.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 07, 2019, 07:29:45 PM
Had my hair cut by an oul lad in Kenmare today who played against Tyrone in Dungannon in the early '50s.  Hope for a good game on Sunday and may the best team win was the sentiment.

Might be off by a decade there.  Pete Hanley played a handful of league games in goal for Kerry in 1966/1967.  Maybe a challenge game in Dungannon?  Or a load of yerra for the Tyronie in town?


That's the one-yerra a possibility. Nice oul skin all the same.

Must be a fair age now...52 years after playing league football puts him well into his 70's.  But 70 is the new 50 I suppose.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 08:12:53 PM
I personally wish there was no deal done with Sky but how many games would RTE realistically show if no deal had been done with Sky??
Wrong question, it's not about RTE or what they would or would not show, Sky took over the TV3 package.

Had TV3 not already ended their coverage prior to Sky?
No, TV3 put in a bid for the package, which Sky just about equalled.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Main Street on August 07, 2019, 08:15:05 PM
The standard of sky's coverage is also far better
Sky copied TV3's format. Did you not happen the notice the same commentators, pundits and presentation?

TV3 could have progressed just as TG4 has progressed with their whole presentation
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: giveballaghback on August 07, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
Its not about the bulls... before and after games its about seeing the games themselves, the only reason I turn on before throw in is for team line ups and I always turn off after, I dont need those gobshites to tell me what I just saw, if there was a very controversial incident in a game i might hang on and have another look.
I live in a rural area and have many neighbours who dont have sky or never will, a lot of these elderly as well, these people have been gaa people all their lives and for an amateur organisation to deny their very own supporters is beyond comprehension.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jayop on August 08, 2019, 03:34:33 AM
Maybe you should have a look after the game on sky then because you're obviously only used to the old bullshit server by brolly and Co on RTÉ for the last god knows how long. Insightful analysis. Point out tactical situations that you simply can't see on TV yourself. The coverage apart from dick clerking is fantastic.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 08, 2019, 05:20:13 AM
Anyone wanna talk about football on here?

Hoganstand thread is actually better this time around lads
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 08, 2019, 07:44:42 AM
If Tyrone keep Kerry to within a score or two by halftime there is no reason they can't go on and win. Tyrone's work rate has been phenomenal and bar the Donegal game their decision making also, be interesting though to see how MH's strategy of giving the whole team a break pans out.  Kerry's forwards will be suffocated from the outset and need to show patience in their build up play, can't see many goals in this one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 08, 2019, 07:45:19 AM
Anyone wanna talk about football on here?

Hoganstand thread is actually better this time around lads

I can only see Tyrone winning this. Kerry too wide open at the back and no amount of marquee forwards will make up for that
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Main Street on August 08, 2019, 09:36:42 AM
Maybe you should have a look after the game on sky then because you're obviously only used to the old bullshit server by brolly and Co on RTÉ for the last god knows how long. Insightful analysis. Point out tactical situations that you simply can't see on TV yourself. The coverage apart from dick clerking is fantastic.
There’s not much difference between sky and what tv3 were doing. And when given the choice,  99% of GAA viewers will choose FTA coverage over Sky, regardless of how some people get into a frenzy of delight over Senan’s reports from the sideline. Just observe the viewing figures when coverage is shared, Sky tv land has even more tumbleweed blowing for those games. Most viewers with a sky sub still choose to watch  rte coverage.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 08, 2019, 09:47:17 AM
Maybe you should have a look after the game on sky then because you're obviously only used to the old bullshit server by brolly and Co on RTÉ for the last god knows how long. Insightful analysis. Point out tactical situations that you simply can't see on TV yourself. The coverage apart from dick clerking is fantastic.
There’s not much difference between sky and what tv3 were doing. And when given the choice,  99% of GAA viewers will choose FTA coverage over Sky, regardless of how some people get into a frenzy of delight over Senan’s reports from the sideline. Just observe the viewing figures when coverage is shared, Sky tv land has even more tumbleweed blowing for those games. Most viewers with a sky sub still choose to watch  rte coverage.

I dont believe that for a second
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GJL on August 08, 2019, 09:57:34 AM
Maybe you should have a look after the game on sky then because you're obviously only used to the old bullshit server by brolly and Co on RTÉ for the last god knows how long. Insightful analysis. Point out tactical situations that you simply can't see on TV yourself. The coverage apart from dick clerking is fantastic.
There’s not much difference between sky and what tv3 were doing. And when given the choice,  99% of GAA viewers will choose FTA coverage over Sky, regardless of how some people get into a frenzy of delight over Senan’s reports from the sideline. Just observe the viewing figures when coverage is shared, Sky tv land has even more tumbleweed blowing for those games. Most viewers with a sky sub still choose to watch  rte coverage.

Sky every time for me...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 08, 2019, 10:29:59 AM
Anyone wanna talk about football on here?

Hoganstand thread is actually better this time around lads

I can only see Tyrone winning this. Kerry too wide open at the back and no amount of marquee forwards will make up for that
I would hope that you're right but them young Kerry buckos would be fierce hard to stop if they got a good start and their confidence up
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: giveherlong on August 08, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Maybe you should have a look after the game on sky then because you're obviously only used to the old bullshit server by brolly and Co on RTÉ for the last god knows how long. Insightful analysis. Point out tactical situations that you simply can't see on TV yourself. The coverage apart from dick clerking is fantastic.
There’s not much difference between sky and what tv3 were doing. And when given the choice,  99% of GAA viewers will choose FTA coverage over Sky, regardless of how some people get into a frenzy of delight over Senan’s reports from the sideline. Just observe the viewing figures when coverage is shared, Sky tv land has even more tumbleweed blowing for those games. Most viewers with a sky sub still choose to watch  rte coverage.

To be honest I couldn’t care less about who the analysts are, what they are saying or bullshit graphics and arrows etc. Give me the score line and time clock. Just want to see as many games as possible on the tv without having to pay a sub. Most people with half a brain can analyse the games for themselves. For example TG4 do what most people want, even if you have limited Irish. Show the game live on free to air with the team line outs beforehand and any subs which come on. Brolly on Rte is good value for a bit of craic, but don’t take him too seriously. Ger Loughnane and Cyril Farrell call it as they see it. Life is too short to be concerned with what other people are saying or what their agendas are. Tv is for watching the 70 mins of football and forget about the sideshows
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 08, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
Maybe you should have a look after the game on sky then because you're obviously only used to the old bullshit server by brolly and Co on RTÉ for the last god knows how long. Insightful analysis. Point out tactical situations that you simply can't see on TV yourself. The coverage apart from dick clerking is fantastic.
There’s not much difference between sky and what tv3 were doing. And when given the choice,  99% of GAA viewers will choose FTA coverage over Sky, regardless of how some people get into a frenzy of delight over Senan’s reports from the sideline. Just observe the viewing figures when coverage is shared, Sky tv land has even more tumbleweed blowing for those games. Most viewers with a sky sub still choose to watch  rte coverage.

To be honest I couldn’t care less about who the analysts are, what they are saying or bullshit graphics and arrows etc. Give me the score line and time clock. Just want to see as many games as possible on the tv without having to pay a sub. Most people with half a brain can analyse the games for themselves. For example TG4 do what most people want, even if you have limited Irish. Show the game live on free to air with the team line outs beforehand and any subs which come on. Brolly on Rte is good value for a bit of craic, but don’t take him too seriously. Ger Loughnane and Cyril Farrell call it as they see it. Life is too short to be concerned with what other people are saying or what their agendas are. Tv is for watching the 70 mins of football and forget about the sideshows

Each to their own but I quite like listening to / watching good quality analysis and I think I’m not the only one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Taylor on August 08, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
Maybe you should have a look after the game on sky then because you're obviously only used to the old bullshit server by brolly and Co on RTÉ for the last god knows how long. Insightful analysis. Point out tactical situations that you simply can't see on TV yourself. The coverage apart from dick clerking is fantastic.
There’s not much difference between sky and what tv3 were doing. And when given the choice,  99% of GAA viewers will choose FTA coverage over Sky, regardless of how some people get into a frenzy of delight over Senan’s reports from the sideline. Just observe the viewing figures when coverage is shared, Sky tv land has even more tumbleweed blowing for those games. Most viewers with a sky sub still choose to watch  rte coverage.

To be honest I couldn’t care less about who the analysts are, what they are saying or bullshit graphics and arrows etc. Give me the score line and time clock. Just want to see as many games as possible on the tv without having to pay a sub. Most people with half a brain can analyse the games for themselves. For example TG4 do what most people want, even if you have limited Irish. Show the game live on free to air with the team line outs beforehand and any subs which come on. Brolly on Rte is good value for a bit of craic, but don’t take him too seriously. Ger Loughnane and Cyril Farrell call it as they see it. Life is too short to be concerned with what other people are saying or what their agendas are. Tv is for watching the 70 mins of football and forget about the sideshows

Each to their own but I quite like listening to / watching good quality analysis and I think I’m not the only one.

Agree Benny.

A lot of the stuff discussed on Sky at ht & ft is something which we dont see on camera such as set up or specific tactics employed
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Denn Forever on August 08, 2019, 12:08:02 PM
So none of the games are on RTE?  Except the night time program?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 08, 2019, 12:15:28 PM
So none of the games are on RTE?  Except the night time program?

Eh? They are both on RTE
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Denn Forever on August 08, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
It is just that sky were advertising them heavily.  Yippee.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 08, 2019, 12:28:11 PM
It is just that sky were advertising them heavily.  Yippee.

Semi finals and finals are on both channels. So yes, it is hard to believe that the over blown hype this week is literally about the one game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: clarshack on August 08, 2019, 04:22:31 PM
It is just that sky were advertising them heavily.  Yippee.

Semi finals and finals are on both channels. So yes, it is hard to believe that the over blown hype this week is literally about the one game.

if Sky had gotten the dead rubber and RTE had the Mayo/Donegal game there wouldn't have been a word about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 08, 2019, 04:24:05 PM
It is just that sky were advertising them heavily.  Yippee.

Semi finals and finals are on both channels. So yes, it is hard to believe that the over blown hype this week is literally about the one game.

if Sky had gotten the dead rubber and RTE had the Mayo/Donegal game there wouldn't have been a word about it.

Who had first pick and when were the picks made?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omagh_gael on August 08, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
Good article here with Conor Myler, hard to believe he spent most of his youth career playing on B teams.

https://www.gaa.ie/news/through-setbacks-and-injury-resilient-conor-meyler-has-prevailed/
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 09, 2019, 08:57:29 AM
Finding it hard to pick Harte's starting 15 for Sunday. At a guess I'd go for:

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
McKernan
Cassidy
Hampsey
Meyler
Cavanagh
Kennedy
Burns
Sludden
McGeary
Harte
McShane
Mattie

But he could easily include any of the following:

Hugh Pat
McCann
R Donnelly
McCurry
McAliskey

Other boys like McLaughlin, Mulgrew and Coney did well last week but it's hard to see them being thrown in at this stage. Likes of McClure couldn't be ruled out either but he looks to have Kennedy ahead of him.

I think it's a must win game for this team under Harte to be honest. They've been building and building now since 2015 and have did really well. But I think beating Kerry in an All Ireland semi final would be another step up the ladder for the team. A loss would knock things right back and would lead to a lot of questions as to whether we are capable of making the breakthrough.

I think we have the potentially to cause a lot of damage in the forward lines if we can win enough possession and not get dragged back deep. I think this Sunday is set up for a huge performance from the team and hopefully back to back finals for the first ever time for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trileacman on August 09, 2019, 10:14:19 AM
Finding it hard to pick Harte's starting 15 for Sunday. At a guess I'd go for:

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
McKernan
Cassidy
Hampsey
Meyler
Cavanagh
Kennedy
Burns
Sludden
McGeary
Harte
McShane
Mattie

But he could easily include any of the following:

Hugh Pat
McCann
R Donnelly
McCurry
McAliskey

Other boys like McLaughlin, Mulgrew and Coney did well last week but it's hard to see them being thrown in at this stage. Likes of McClure couldn't be ruled out either but he looks to have Kennedy ahead of him.

I think it's a must win game for this team under Harte to be honest. They've been building and building now since 2015 and have did really well. But I think beating Kerry in an All Ireland semi final would be another step up the ladder for the team. A loss would knock things right back and would lead to a lot of questions as to whether we are capable of making the breakthrough.

I think we have the potentially to cause a lot of damage in the forward lines if we can win enough possession and not get dragged back deep. I think this Sunday is set up for a huge performance from the team and hopefully back to back finals for the first ever time for Tyrone.

Think Hampsey is still not at full fitness. He’s better in reserve to we see who gets injured/black carded.

           Morgan
Brennan Mc namee pasty
Burns  Mc Geary.   Mc Kernan    Meyler
   Hampsey    Colm
Matty.   Sludden    Petey
     McShane.   Mc Curry

Cassidy might start in place of Mc kernan and he’s unlucky to lose out but that’s a competitive half back line and it’s hard to warrant his inclusion ahead of any of those 4. He’s just on par with them. Likewise Richy was one of  the main reason we won in Dublin in the league with his passing ability and scoring was to the fore that night. Very hard to drop him out of that team We need Sluddens accuracy and Mc curry pace and score taking to balance out Matty’s and Mc Shane’s physical presencne in attack.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: giveherlong on August 09, 2019, 10:47:53 AM
Enda McGinley lays it on the line for this current Tyrone squad today
Reminding that Tyrone haven’t beat any of the big 3 Dublin, Kerry or Mayo since 2008 in championship
“Essentially this means that Tyrone can be viewed as good, but not ‘top level’ good”
Massive opportunity on Sunday to put this right
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2019, 11:47:24 AM
Finding it hard to pick Harte's starting 15 for Sunday. At a guess I'd go for:

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
McKernan
Cassidy
Hampsey
Meyler
Cavanagh
Kennedy
Burns
Sludden
McGeary
Harte
McShane
Mattie

But he could easily include any of the following:

Hugh Pat
McCann
R Donnelly
McCurry
McAliskey

Other boys like McLaughlin, Mulgrew and Coney did well last week but it's hard to see them being thrown in at this stage. Likes of McClure couldn't be ruled out either but he looks to have Kennedy ahead of him.

I think it's a must win game for this team under Harte to be honest. They've been building and building now since 2015 and have did really well. But I think beating Kerry in an All Ireland semi final would be another step up the ladder for the team. A loss would knock things right back and would lead to a lot of questions as to whether we are capable of making the breakthrough.

I think we have the potentially to cause a lot of damage in the forward lines if we can win enough possession and not get dragged back deep. I think this Sunday is set up for a huge performance from the team and hopefully back to back finals for the first ever time for Tyrone.

Think Hampsey is still not at full fitness. He’s better in reserve to we see who gets injured/black carded.

           Morgan
Brennan Mc namee pasty
Burns  Mc Geary.   Mc Kernan    Meyler
   Hampsey    Colm
Matty.   Sludden    Petey
     McShane.   Mc Curry

Cassidy might start in place of Mc kernan and he’s unlucky to lose out but that’s a competitive half back line and it’s hard to warrant his inclusion ahead of any of those 4. He’s just on par with them. Likewise Richy was one of  the main reason we won in Dublin in the league with his passing ability and scoring was to the fore that night. Very hard to drop him out of that team We need Sluddens accuracy and Mc curry pace and score taking to balance out Matty’s and Mc Shane’s physical presencne in attack.

I think that’s pretty close Trileacman but I presume you meant Kennedy rather than Hampsey in midfield given your opening sentence. I think leaving Ritchie and Cassidy in reserve may not be a bad shout, both add something different and can provide a dynamic impact. I suspect we will start with Matty in around midfield and he will move in during the second half when Ritchie will come on n to provide the balls in.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trileacman on August 09, 2019, 11:49:06 AM
Finding it hard to pick Harte's starting 15 for Sunday. At a guess I'd go for:

Morgan
Brennan
McNamee
McKernan
Cassidy
Hampsey
Meyler
Cavanagh
Kennedy
Burns
Sludden
McGeary
Harte
McShane
Mattie

But he could easily include any of the following:

Hugh Pat
McCann
R Donnelly
McCurry
McAliskey

Other boys like McLaughlin, Mulgrew and Coney did well last week but it's hard to see them being thrown in at this stage. Likes of McClure couldn't be ruled out either but he looks to have Kennedy ahead of him.

I think it's a must win game for this team under Harte to be honest. They've been building and building now since 2015 and have did really well. But I think beating Kerry in an All Ireland semi final would be another step up the ladder for the team. A loss would knock things right back and would lead to a lot of questions as to whether we are capable of making the breakthrough.

I think we have the potentially to cause a lot of damage in the forward lines if we can win enough possession and not get dragged back deep. I think this Sunday is set up for a huge performance from the team and hopefully back to back finals for the first ever time for Tyrone.

Think Hampsey is still not at full fitness. He’s better in reserve to we see who gets injured/black carded.

           Morgan
Brennan Mc namee pasty
Burns  Mc Geary.   Mc Kernan    Meyler
   Hampsey    Colm
Matty.   Sludden    Petey
     McShane.   Mc Curry

Cassidy might start in place of Mc kernan and he’s unlucky to lose out but that’s a competitive half back line and it’s hard to warrant his inclusion ahead of any of those 4. He’s just on par with them. Likewise Richy was one of  the main reason we won in Dublin in the league with his passing ability and scoring was to the fore that night. Very hard to drop him out of that team We need Sluddens accuracy and Mc curry pace and score taking to balance out Matty’s and Mc Shane’s physical presencne in attack.

I think that’s pretty close Trileacman but I presume you meant Kennedy rather than Hampsey in midfield given your opening sentence. I think leaving Ritchie and Cassidy in reserve may not be a bad shout, both add something different and can provide a dynamic impact. I suspect we will start with Matty in around midfield and he will move in during the second half when Ritchie will come on n to provide the balls in.

Yeah Kennedy instead of hampsey
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jayop on August 09, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
Enda McGinley lays it on the line for this current Tyrone squad today
Reminding that Tyrone haven’t beat any of the big 3 Dublin, Kerry or Mayo since 2008 in championship
“Essentially this means that Tyrone can be viewed as good, but not ‘top level’ good”
Massive opportunity on Sunday to put this right

He's absolutely right tho. The best teams we've beaten in the last ten years are Donegal and Monaghan. Kerry, Mayo and Dublin have had the better of us and despite this being three semis in a row we've dodged them or been beat by them. We need to win this game big time to get that monkey off our back. Do that and the belief will skyrocket that we can beat dublin (or maybe mayo) in the final.

As for the team I'd just like to see Skeet starting up with McShane. I think Donnelly would be my first choice up there but can't see Mickey taking that chance from the get go. Let Skeet up and make a switch every so often with Harte and Mattie. Keep kerry guessing because all three offer something completely different.

Hopefully we can be better disaplined in defense and not give that edjit reffing cause to ride us again. That will be the winning and losing of this game for me.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: ONeill on August 09, 2019, 02:00:11 PM
I agree about McAliskey. Thought against the Dubs he was finally finding the match sharpness we last saw v Monaghan in the semi last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 09, 2019, 03:12:53 PM
Enda McGinley lays it on the line for this current Tyrone squad today
Reminding that Tyrone haven’t beat any of the big 3 Dublin, Kerry or Mayo since 2008 in championship
“Essentially this means that Tyrone can be viewed as good, but not ‘top level’ good”
Massive opportunity on Sunday to put this right

Enda is quietly going about his work in the media but he's spot on.

It's pressure on the team, but pressure that should be embraced.

Tyrone must win. Simple as. Excuses are all gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omagh_gael on August 09, 2019, 03:14:40 PM
I agree about McAliskey. Thought against the Dubs he was finally finding the match sharpness we last saw v Monaghan in the semi last year.

The main reason I think he hasn't nailed down a starting spot is his tendency to go for scores outside the high percentage areas. Again last weekend he tried some crazy shots against the wind that didn't come off. Those will kill you in do or die games like this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: WT4E on August 09, 2019, 03:36:42 PM
Not Harte bashing but if he fails to beat Kerry this weekend surely it might be an idea to give someone else a go.

As you say we can't beat the top teams so we need to try and do it.

In saying that I have feeling that Tyrone will take Kerry this weekend.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: bigpackiechestout on August 09, 2019, 04:08:56 PM
Not Harte bashing but if he fails to beat Kerry this weekend surely it might be an idea to give someone else a go.

As you say we can't beat the top teams so we need to try and do it.

In saying that I have feeling that Tyrone will take Kerry this weekend.

Let's not overdo this narrative that Tyrone can't beat the big teams. We have played Kerry and Mayo once each in the championship in the past 5 seasons and have narrowly lost out on both occasions. It's not like they are turning us over year after year. It would have been great to get a victory against these sides in Croke Park but there's nothing you can do if you're drawn against other teams. For what it's worth I think if we had faced either team last year we would have beaten them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jayop on August 09, 2019, 07:31:55 PM
To be honest I've never been one for calling time on Harte. At least never too loudly. He's been magnificent for us and his contribution to Tyrone football can never be forgotten. That said if we can't beat a very young inexperienced kerry side with a team he's built over a decade then it just might be time. We've had a great few years in terms of progressing late into the summer and I'd always be careful of what you wish for. But this game is a must win for me and if we lose it could set us well back.

Donegal are getting stronger, Kerry are a coming team, Dublin won't go away. If we lose this then really and truly we can't claim to be any better than 4th best in the country this year. That's a step back for me.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 09, 2019, 09:44:15 PM

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 09, 2019, 09:45:21 PM
No Kerry subs announced.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Sportacus on August 09, 2019, 10:55:30 PM
I think Tyrone will win.  They’ll suck the life out of the Kerry forwards and Kerry will be very vulnerable to the fast ball counter attack. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: MayoBuck on August 09, 2019, 11:14:40 PM
Kerry haven't won a game in Croke Park since beating Galway in the 2017 quarter final. 2 draws and 4 defeats between league and championship since then.

A tough game to call but I'd be leaning towards Tyrone narrowly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2019, 11:18:48 PM
Tyrone maybe by 3.depends if Geaney and Clifford don't run riot.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: clarshack on August 09, 2019, 11:20:05 PM
Honestly can see Kerry racking up 1-19. Can’t see us bettering that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trileacman on August 09, 2019, 11:25:03 PM
I think Tyrone will lose on Sunday. For me Kerry are the 2nd best team in Ireland and will probably push the Dubs hard in the final. Kerry are undefeated this year in all but the league final and a bit of a dead rubber v Mayo in the league. Theres a lot of "beal bocht" around this Kerry team by the usual Kerry mafia sources, they've been banging that drum all summer and the bad-mouthing of their full back line is just smoke and mirrors. Allied to the talent they have round the park they'll also have the fawning presence of Maurice Deegan who decidedly tips the balance in their favour. They also have 4 of the best forwards in Ireland in Geaney, Clifford, O'Shea and O'Brien, we have one defender who's among the best at what he does, this is a complete mismatch.

It's all set up for "the greatest rivals in football" to decide the fate of Dublin's drive for five.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 09, 2019, 11:44:52 PM
Kerry likely have better players but no ounce of a game plan to provide cover for their full bck line. If they found a player good enough to play sweeper they be hard to beat. Not sure about Keane. If Jack O'Connor was managing this team player I have Kerry strong favourites,  he's not how ever so it's about 50:50
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 10, 2019, 12:00:25 AM
For all the talk of Kerry forwards I think a combination of Harte Donnelly mcshane and Mcaliskey could cause serious problems at the other end. The standout performance from Kerry was v mayo in Killarney but there’s been plenty of other days over the last few years they’ve looked far from impressive.

It’s now or never for this current Tyrone team, hopefully they’re ready to deliver.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: moysider on August 10, 2019, 12:13:59 AM
For all the talk of Kerry forwards I think a combination of Harte Donnelly mcshane and Mcaliskey could cause serious problems at the other end. The standout performance from Kerry was v mayo in Killarney but there’s been plenty of other days over the last few years they’ve looked far from impressive.

It’s now or never for this current Tyrone team, hopefully they’re ready to deliver.

It is not now or never for Tyrone.
A last 4 slot is not something to be taken for granted.
The Killarney performance V Mayo should be taken with a pinch of salt after what happen since.
The real losers in the super8s were Donegal ( currently
better team than Tyrone) who landed in the 'wrong' group after winning Ulster.

Tyrone and Dublin ended up in a group that they could not not qualify from. Donegal would have strolled that too.
Instead they got a gimmie at home ( reward for winning Ulster) v Meath, burst their arses trying to beat Kerry in Croker, knowing that Mayo would use cannon in Castlebar if they had to.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jayop on August 10, 2019, 12:45:29 AM
A last 4 slot is great and consistently getting there is great.

But consistently getting beat by kerry mayo and Dublin ain't so hot. And that's been happening since 2009.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: moysider on August 10, 2019, 01:05:44 AM
A last 4 slot is great and consistently getting there is great.

But consistently getting beat by kerry mayo and Dublin ain't so hot. And that's been happening since 2009.

It's happening to others too!

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jayop on August 10, 2019, 02:21:05 AM
A last 4 slot is great and consistently getting there is great.

But consistently getting beat by kerry mayo and Dublin ain't so hot. And that's been happening since 2009.

It's happening to others too!

And? Should we not be aiming to be better than "others"?

Who's the others? Mayo? They've done much more the last ten years than us.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 10, 2019, 06:56:29 AM
For all the talk of Kerry forwards I think a combination of Harte Donnelly mcshane and Mcaliskey could cause serious problems at the other end. The standout performance from Kerry was v mayo in Killarney but there’s been plenty of other days over the last few years they’ve looked far from impressive.

It’s now or never for this current Tyrone team, hopefully they’re ready to deliver.

It is not now or never for Tyrone.
A last 4 slot is not something to be taken for granted.
The Killarney performance V Mayo should be taken with a pinch of salt after what happen since.
The real losers in the super8s were Donegal ( currently
better team than Tyrone) who landed in the 'wrong' group after winning Ulster.

Tyrone and Dublin ended up in a group that they could not not qualify from. Donegal would have strolled that too.
Instead they got a gimmie at home ( reward for winning Ulster) v Meath, burst their arses trying to beat Kerry in Croker, knowing that Mayo would use cannon in Castlebar if they had to.

In terms of this particular team pushing on under Harte to the next level it is getting close to the now or never stage. The likes of McNamee, Donnelly and Harte who are all key players are late 20s and it’s probably cavanaghs last year. The team have been building for about 5 years and in my opinion have did really well but now need to push on.

The team is also back boned by the u21 winners from 2015 and they’re all now hitting their peak. New players could come in over the next few years and push on but it’ll be a different team to this one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 10, 2019, 07:41:00 AM
For all the talk of Kerry forwards I think a combination of Harte Donnelly mcshane and Mcaliskey could cause serious problems at the other end. The standout performance from Kerry was v mayo in Killarney but there’s been plenty of other days over the last few years they’ve looked far from impressive.

It’s now or never for this current Tyrone team, hopefully they’re ready to deliver.

It is not now or never for Tyrone.
A last 4 slot is not something to be taken for granted.
The Killarney performance V Mayo should be taken with a pinch of salt after what happen since.
The real losers in the super8s were Donegal ( currently
better team than Tyrone) who landed in the 'wrong' group after winning Ulster.

Tyrone and Dublin ended up in a group that they could not not qualify from. Donegal would have strolled that too.
Instead they got a gimmie at home ( reward for winning Ulster) v Meath, burst their arses trying to beat Kerry in Croker, knowing that Mayo would use cannon in Castlebar if they had to.

The injuries put paid for Donegal. Gallagher, McGee X2 and McGrath were all effectively crocked for the Super 8s and the squad didn't really cope with that when it mattered.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 10, 2019, 07:48:15 AM
On the Kerry game, I think Kerry will rightly go on as favourites. They are unbeaten and topped the tougher group in the Super 8s. In saying that I would be disappointed if we did not beat them, when you look at this Tyrone side and the age profile it should be in its prime now. I think Tyrone badly, badly need a win over a side like Kerry in this game. Kerry on the other hand are younger and less experienced than Tyrone and we have to hone in on that and force mistakes and young lads heads to drop.

I'm not fully convinced on this Tyrone side. We need a few other guys to start stepping up to the plate now. I'm not optimistic but I'm hoping we deliver a big performance tomorrow and dictate the terms of engagement.

Deegan is another big worry for me. He has always been very favourable to Kerry anytime I have seen him referee them including the 2015 semi with us where we got an awful doing from him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: nrico2006 on August 10, 2019, 08:33:00 AM
Tyrone are cut open too often this year and will concede a big score and lose by a few.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 10, 2019, 09:10:24 AM
If Deegan does act the ballix and we win, it will be good practise for the final.  I still maintain that niaivity cost us the final last year. When 5-6 points up Col Cav was remonstrating with the ref about a (Dublin trademark) 3rd man crossing type obstruction that prevented him from making a tackle in the lead up to a point.  I think the Dubs got another point when he was still out of position.  Shortly after, you had 3 of our lads disputing a Dublin mark when the Dubs were up the field scoring a goal.  This is the part of this team's psyche that will lose them the big games if it isn't addressed.  Need to stay focussed for every second no matter what the other team or the ref do.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 10, 2019, 12:55:19 PM
Dublin being a much better team lost you that final not naivety. No shame in it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2019, 01:08:21 PM
Dublin being a much better team lost you that final not naivety. No shame in it.

15 wides cost Tyrone dearly. Didn't Dublin have none in the second half or something ridiculous?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: inroundthesquare on August 10, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Dublin being a much better team lost you that final not naivety. No shame in it.

15 wides cost Tyrone dearly. Didn't Dublin have none in the second half or something ridiculous?

In dontfoul stats - Kickouts and Scoring Efficiency were the main difference in last years final.
Tyrone actually turned over Dublin 23 times, whereas Dublin only turned over us 13 times.

Dublin won 29 of their 31 kickouts. Think both were lost around the 15 minute mark when Tyrone were on top.
Tyrone only won 17 of their 24.

Dublin scored 2-17 from 32 shots.
Tyrone 1-14 from 30 shots.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jayop on August 10, 2019, 02:00:23 PM
Dublin being a much better team lost you that final not naivety. No shame in it.

15 wides cost Tyrone dearly. Didn't Dublin have none in the second half or something ridiculous?

Didn't rock kick a few wides from frees early on?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 10, 2019, 02:06:44 PM
Dublin being a much better team lost you that final not naivety. No shame in it.

15 wides cost Tyrone dearly. Didn't Dublin have none in the second half or something ridiculous?

In dontfoul stats - Kickouts and Scoring Efficiency were the main difference in last years final.
Tyrone actually turned over Dublin 23 times, whereas Dublin only turned over us 13 times.

Dublin won 29 of their 31 kickouts. Think both were lost around the 15 minute mark when Tyrone were on top.
Tyrone only won 17 of their 24.

Dublin scored 2-17 from 32 shots.
Tyrone 1-14 from 30 shots.

The big difference was the shot selection. Dublin took on the majority of their shots from the "scoring zone" Tyrone shots became more panic shots especially 2nd half when chasing the game. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 10, 2019, 02:08:56 PM
If Deegan does act the ballix and we win, it will be good practise for the final.  I still maintain that niaivity cost us the final last year. When 5-6 points up Col Cav was remonstrating with the ref about a (Dublin trademark) 3rd man crossing type obstruction that prevented him from making a tackle in the lead up to a point.  I think the Dubs got another point when he was still out of position.  Shortly after, you had 3 of our lads disputing a Dublin mark when the Dubs were up the field scoring a goal.  This is the part of this team's psyche that will lose them the big games if it isn't addressed.  Need to stay focussed for every second no matter what the other team or the ref do.

Very true, we need to keep that imperturbable focus and discipline, regardless of what else is going on, with the ref and otherwise. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 10, 2019, 02:21:03 PM
You can't argue with all of the stats above, nor could you argue that the best team won.  However, when you are 5-6 points up against Dublin, you are in with a chance of winning.  At that stage of the game, the accuracy was good, the mindset was right.  The smallest of things can affect that mindset.  You need the self-belief that, even if a few decisions go against you, you are still going to win.  I believe Tyrone showed a maturity against Cork that I hope will carry them through and give them a real shot at bringing Sam back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 10, 2019, 02:21:56 PM
On the Kerry game, I think Kerry will rightly go on as favourites. They are unbeaten and topped the tougher group in the Super 8s. In saying that I would be disappointed if we did not beat them, when you look at this Tyrone side and the age profile it should be in its prime now. I think Tyrone badly, badly need a win over a side like Kerry in this game. Kerry on the other hand are younger and less experienced than Tyrone and we have to hone in on that and force mistakes and young lads heads to drop.

I'm not fully convinced on this Tyrone side. We need a few other guys to start stepping up to the plate now. I'm not optimistic but I'm hoping we deliver a big performance tomorrow and dictate the terms of engagement.

Deegan is another big worry for me. He has always been very favourable to Kerry anytime I have seen him referee them including the 2015 semi with us where we got an awful doing from him.

Wouldn't have done both if in Dublin's group.

I agree with Enda McGinley this is a huge game for Tyrone to prove their true worth and can be no excuses. Donegal failed to prove they were a top 4 team last week and pretty much showed why they haven't reached All Ireland semi final since 2014 injuries they got was only excuse as top 4 teams can cope with a few injuries as Mayo proved.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: seafoid on August 10, 2019, 03:54:35 PM
Tyrone didn’t  have the forwards to win an All Ireland last year
You can’t win Sam if you don’t have the forwards.

https://youtu.be/Mwxga8udIio
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jayop on August 10, 2019, 04:26:42 PM
Mccalliskey was the second top championship scorer and the second top scorer from play. Didn't even get an all star nom so overlooked is he. Class forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 10, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
Dublin being a much better team lost you that final not naivety. No shame in it.

15 wides cost Tyrone dearly. Didn't Dublin have none in the second half or something ridiculous?

Once cian o’sullIvan went off Tyrone were barely in it. Dublin are ridiculously economical. It’s not a one off stat.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 10, 2019, 06:37:31 PM
The runner up final should be tighter than today’s fare
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2019, 07:29:50 PM
Dublin will eat either of these 2 teams in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 10, 2019, 08:02:20 PM
With four minutes to go last year there was 4 in it and Tyrone missed a rake of chances.  Tyrone have improved tactically this year.  If we get past Kerry, we have a great chance with the correct game management.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Solo_run on August 10, 2019, 08:04:43 PM
With four minutes to go last year there was 4 in it and Tyrone missed a rake of chances.  Tyrone have improved tactically this year.  If we get past Kerry, we have a great chance with the correct game management.

Tyrone may have improved but Kerry/Dublin aren't standing still.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 10, 2019, 08:22:54 PM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 10, 2019, 09:19:51 PM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

Yeah I read this thread and it feels like last year’s ai final was a different one to the one I watched.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: lenny on August 10, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 10, 2019, 09:29:32 PM
I wouldn't get carried away with today's game. Overall, Mayo  have been poor this year.  The excitement of a Mayo victory today was built on memories of games two-three years ago.  I got caught up in it myself.  They bate a Donegal team who also floundered at this stage last year.  The first half was all Mayo bluster, the result of winning one on one battles with ridiculous tenacity.  You can't keep this up for 70 minutes against this Dublin team.  On form, Mayo are the weakest of the last four. 

You know what you're going to get with Mayo but the winners of tomorrow's game will ask more questions. Tyrone have a youthful experience and Kerry have deadly forwards.
 

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: the goal was on on August 10, 2019, 10:16:23 PM
Is the upper stands all closed tomorrow?? Can’t get 5 tickets together yet while upstairs remains shut! If I want 4 together now with children it’s gonna be 200. The gaa really are unmasked thieves
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 10, 2019, 10:25:20 PM
They don’t seem to be but if you can’t get 5 together in lower cusack or davin they must be close to sold out and if so there’s bound to be a good chance they’ll open upper cusack tomorrow if you hold out. If not can u not even buy 3 and 2 close together?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 10, 2019, 10:28:35 PM
I just checked gaa website and you can buy two adult and 2/3 children together in lower davin no bother.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: WT4E on August 10, 2019, 10:33:36 PM
What's the point!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 10, 2019, 10:54:42 PM
Pubs in Belfast centre to watch this please?  Cheers 🍻

The parador in ormeau road normally shows it. It's down past the errigle inn. Theres a place next door call The Shed does a great lunch on a Sunday.
Nacy Mulligans in Castle Street beside the Europa will 100% be showing it. 5 minute walk max
Would there be anywhere closer to the Europa? Cheers

You'd get the game in Lavery's which would be in walking distance. The Bot would be more like a taxi....you could walk it too if you've time to spare though and it's decent weather.
Thank you
Nancy Mulligans on Castle Street will 100% be showing it. 5 minute walk max from Europa
You may get a screen somewhere in it but it’s the last night of the Féile so....

https://mobile.twitter.com/nancysbelfast/status/1158761408110243841
Ah bollox HS!! . looks great craic
The Points on the Dublin Road showed the Dublin Mayo game today. That’s not far from the Europa.
Other than that, dander up the Grosvenor to the Davitts.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 07:26:09 AM
What's the point!

Team that Armagh should have put away go on to get hammered by Dublin in an AISF. I wouldn't worry too much, we wouldn't collapse like that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: An Watcher on August 11, 2019, 07:59:47 AM
Hope you're right red hand but that mayo team had come on since the Armagh game. I honestly don't know if I'll go to the final if Tyrone win such is Dublin's dominance.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 11, 2019, 08:08:15 AM
Jeez lads we’ve a massive semi final against Kerry today, can we not get behind the team instead of worrying about the dubs. Kerry were actually more dominant against mayo with the game over after 15 minutes, using that logic we probably shouldn’t bother turning up today either.

No where to hide now, have to go out and put on a huge performance against the most successful county in the Gaa. A win would be massive for this team, time to deliver.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 08:11:57 AM
This feels like a defining moment for this squad of players. Fat more so than 15, 17 or 18.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 08:12:17 AM
What's the point!

Team that Armagh should have put away go on to get hammered by Dublin in an AISF. I wouldn't worry too much, we wouldn't collapse like that.

Did you miss last years all Ireland final. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 08:15:47 AM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 08:17:43 AM
What's the point!

Team that Armagh should have put away go on to get hammered by Dublin in an AISF. I wouldn't worry too much, we wouldn't collapse like that.

Did you miss last years all Ireland final. ;D

Or this years Ulster Semi.  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 08:22:22 AM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Dublin destroyed Tyrone pulling up. Were you on the sauce watching it. :)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 11, 2019, 08:25:48 AM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Dublin destroyed Tyrone pulling up. Were you on the sauce watching it. :)

Yes... but that's not the point  :D
There was 4 in it with a few minutes left. After which Tyrone missed a few great chances.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Dublin destroyed Tyrone pulling up. Were you on the sauce watching it. :)

Yes... but that's not the point  :D
There was 4 in it with a few minutes left. After which Tyrone missed a few great chances.

We all know Dublin had the brakes on most of the second half. Good luck today. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: lenny on August 11, 2019, 09:12:18 AM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Consciously yes but subconsciously I think these tyrone players will be content with a narrow defeat to avoid a dublin hammering in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 11, 2019, 09:13:27 AM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Dublin destroyed Tyrone pulling up. Were you on the sauce watching it. :)

Yes... but that's not the point  :D
There was 4 in it with a few minutes left. After which Tyrone missed a few great chances.

We all know Dublin had the brakes on most of the second half. Good luck today. ;D

Aye, that's the sort of thing you do in an all Ireland Final.  Dublin were rattled, worried, so much so that a fan beside me started to roar f**kin British ba$tards after Harte's penalty.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2019, 10:00:37 AM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Consciously yes but subconsciously I think these tyrone players will be content with a narrow defeat to avoid a dublin hammering in the final.

This is a sad insight into the mindset of a Derry man. Subconsciously Derry want to stay in Division 3 to avoid hammering sin division 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 11:44:26 AM
For the sake of football and a potential classic final, I hope Kerry win today. I’m not entirely sure they actually will though as they are still a bit defensively naive and may well fall into the Tyrone spiders web.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2019, 11:57:24 AM
For the sake of football and a potential classic final, I hope Kerry win today. I’m not entirely sure they actually will though as they are still a bit defensively naive and may well fall into the Tyrone spiders web.

 ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 11, 2019, 01:39:46 PM
Thanks Hardstation
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 11, 2019, 02:58:51 PM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Dublin destroyed Tyrone pulling up. Were you on the sauce watching it. :)

Yes... but that's not the point  :D
There was 4 in it with a few minutes left. After which Tyrone missed a few great chances.

We all know Dublin had the brakes on most of the second half. Good luck today. ;D

Aye, that's the sort of thing you do in an all Ireland Final.  Dublin were rattled, worried, so much so that a fan beside me started to roar f**kin British ba$tards after Harte's penalty.

I think you'd have to look hard to find a non-Tyrone fan who'd tell you that Dublin weren't extremely comfortable once they got into the game in the first half. Tyrone have played Dublin 4 times in the Championship since August 2017 and have been well beaten on each occasion (even with half of those games being at home.)

Considering Tyrone have gone 10 years since their last big win in Croker against a non-Ulster team surely their main objective has to be just beating Kerry today. They're still a good bit off Dublin, Kerry (and probably Donegal and Mayo too realistically) and I'm not sure if they have the players to bridge the gap.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: square_ball on August 11, 2019, 03:16:00 PM
Ah jaysus not Dessie.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 03:18:19 PM
Big crowd.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Hound on August 11, 2019, 03:27:38 PM
Ah jaysus not Dessie.
Thankfully Earley on Sky.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: kerryforsam19 on August 11, 2019, 03:30:52 PM
Today game will mark Mickey Harte 6th championship defeat in 2 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: seafoid on August 11, 2019, 03:31:37 PM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.



That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

The match was over well before the end
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 03:35:04 PM
Ger Canning: 'Brilliant ball in but too near to the goalkeeper@
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2019, 03:44:26 PM
Dessie Dolan can't tell the difference between Cathal McShane and Peter Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 03:44:53 PM
Diving Tyrone ****. Good job he didn’t touch his hair.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 03:45:13 PM
Tyrone diving already hope they wearing the speedos.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 03:56:52 PM
Diagonal ball working well for Tyrone. Don’t think Kerry forwards know what to do under that much pressure..

Still though Tyrone would want to build a bigger lead with the pressure they are putting on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 03:57:04 PM
So much for clean kerry. Peter harte constantly blocked off the ball in front of the ref and no action taken. Brutal
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 03:57:13 PM
Kerry playing into Tyrone's hands running the ball into traffic, have they forgot how to kick the ball.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Blowitupref on August 11, 2019, 03:57:21 PM
Tyrone defending and attacking better than Kerry so far. 26 mins played Tyrone 0-7 Kerry 0-5
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 04:00:11 PM
Diving Tyrone ****. Good job he didn’t touch his hair.

who you talking about dopey. Cant you tell the difference between players
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 04:00:18 PM
So much for clean kerry. Peter harte constantly blocked off the ball in front of the ref and no action taken. Brutal

Kerry were never clean. Not sure why you thought they were...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: MayoBuck on August 11, 2019, 04:00:55 PM
Why does Dessie talk about every player's experience/inexperience every time they do anything?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:01:00 PM
Free kicks keeping kerry in this, they have been very disappointing so far. Best forward line in the game and they won't kick the ball into them, head down and solo stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 04:02:26 PM
So much for clean kerry. Peter harte constantly blocked off the ball in front of the ref and no action taken. Brutal

Kerry were never clean. Not sure why you thought they were...

Never did but listening to kerry fans you would think they were saints.peter harte brought down again in that last tyrone attack
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 04:02:44 PM
Too many bodies back and no space to kick it into though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 11, 2019, 04:03:17 PM
So much for clean kerry. Peter harte constantly blocked off the ball in front of the ref and no action taken. Brutal

Kerry were never clean. Not sure why you thought they were...

Never did but listening to kerry fans you would think they were saints.peter harte brought down again in that last tyrone attack

Too many media men to really highlight it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 11, 2019, 04:04:49 PM
Kerry Donegal Mayo and Meath was a handy group, Roscommon and Cork got a difficult group.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2019, 04:05:58 PM
Jesus! Absolutely no atmosphere at all, pedestrian pace
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: dublin7 on August 11, 2019, 04:07:37 PM
Poor game so far. No atmosphere amd like a league game. McShane doing what he wants in the FF line. Kerry showing their inexperience trying to run down the middle of the pitch into all the Tyrone defenders.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:08:33 PM
Kerry look clueless tactically and leaderless on the pitch. Badly need half time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 11, 2019, 04:08:47 PM
Kerry have nothing only placed balls.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2019, 04:09:48 PM
Tyrone much the better and should be further than 4 points ahead.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 04:10:22 PM
This game is over. Tyrone will win by however many they want
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2019, 04:10:32 PM
Poor game so far. No atmosphere amd like a league game. McShane doing what he wants in the FF line. Kerry showing their inexperience trying to run down the middle of the pitch into all the Tyrone players

Fixed that..
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 04:10:39 PM
Have Kerry done no analysis on Tyrone?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: DoireGael on August 11, 2019, 04:10:58 PM
Anyone got a link to watch match? No sky and in London.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 11, 2019, 04:12:12 PM
Dublin won’t be too worried by any of that... Kerry completely clueless!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 04:12:27 PM
Anyone got a link to watch match? No sky and in London.

You are missing nothing. At least Tyrone will have a go at Dublin in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: rodney trotter on August 11, 2019, 04:13:38 PM
33,000 at it. Not even half full
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Shamrock Shore on August 11, 2019, 04:13:56 PM
Dunno which is worse. The game or the gruesome twosome commentary of Ger and Dessie.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 11, 2019, 04:14:10 PM
Anyone got a link to watch match? No sky and in London.

It's that bad just go for a stroll in Covent gardens. No fault of Tyrone at least they are trying to play ball, Kerry clueless.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Zulu on August 11, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
Kerry have been very disappointing. Not sure how they've manged to watch Tyrone repeatedly deliver unpressurised angled ball into their full forwards and have their own players carry the ball down the middle of the Tyrone defence only to be turned over without changing something. Tyrone have given a masterclass in tactical football though. They've managed to get bodies back and yet be able to support the attack in decent numbers too. In contrast Kerry have got no pressure on the delivery or extra bodies to deal with the ball when it comes in.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 04:14:43 PM
Jesus! Absolutely no atmosphere at all, pedestrian pace

Croke park with less than 50k is a ghost town. Honestly doesn't really matter who wins as cant see past dubs
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 04:15:03 PM
34000 and wait for the bandwagoners yapping for final tickets. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Throw ball on August 11, 2019, 04:15:09 PM
So much for clean kerry. Peter harte constantly blocked off the ball in front of the ref and no action taken. Brutal

Kerry were never clean. Not sure why you thought they were...

Never did but listening to kerry fans you would think they were saints.peter harte brought down again in that last tyrone attack

Too many media men to really highlight it.

Saw that Harte was getting blocked off ball regularly. Not so sure on being fouled again at end as he is very adept at falling as the ball comes to him so that the close attending defender looks as if he is coming into the back of him.

Too many Kerry players trying to do it all themselves. Tyrone are very very much more a team. McShane creating havoc.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2019, 04:15:48 PM
Where is the sweeper for Kerry playing? 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Blowitupref on August 11, 2019, 04:17:16 PM
HT Tyrone 0-9 Kerry 0-5.  Tyrone have schooled Kerry on and off the field in that 1st half and the 4 point margin doesn't do them justice.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 04:17:24 PM
So much for clean kerry. Peter harte constantly blocked off the ball in front of the ref and no action taken. Brutal

Kerry were never clean. Not sure why you thought they were...

Never did but listening to kerry fans you would think they were saints.peter harte brought down again in that last tyrone attack

Too many media men to really highlight it.

Saw that Harte was getting blocked off ball regularly. Not so sure on being fouled again at end as he is very adept at falling as the ball comes to him so that the close attending defender looks as if he is coming into the back of him.

Too many Kerry players trying to do it all themselves. Tyrone are very very much more a team. McShane creating havoc.

Agree with you but blocking off the ball is a black card. He gets massive off the ball "attention" with nothing ever done about it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 04:18:02 PM
Where is the sweeper for Kerry playing?
Must have been in sweeping the changing rooms that half.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 11, 2019, 04:19:41 PM
Dublin won’t be too worried by any of that... Kerry completely clueless!

Whatever you say about Tyrone i certainly don't want to see that naive and wide open in defence Kerry team in the final v Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 04:19:53 PM
Hasus Kerry are awful....so slow to advance when they have the ball.
Then there's fkn Ger and Dessie.
I'm becoming a Hurley fan by the day
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 11, 2019, 04:20:12 PM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Dublin destroyed Tyrone pulling up. Were you on the sauce watching it. :)

Yes... but that's not the point  :D
There was 4 in it with a few minutes left. After which Tyrone missed a few great chances.

We all know Dublin had the brakes on most of the second half. Good luck today. ;D

Aye, that's the sort of thing you do in an all Ireland Final.  Dublin were rattled, worried, so much so that a fan beside me started to roar f**kin British ba$tards after Harte's penalty.

I think you'd have to look hard to find a non-Tyrone fan who'd tell you that Dublin weren't extremely comfortable once they got into the game in the first half. Tyrone have played Dublin 4 times in the Championship since August 2017 and have been well beaten on each occasion (even with half of those games being at home.)

Considering Tyrone have gone 10 years since their last big win in Croker against a non-Ulster team surely their main objective has to be just beating Kerry today. They're still a good bit off Dublin, Kerry (and probably Donegal and Mayo too realistically) and I'm not sure if they have the players to bridge the gap.

Tyrone doing a fantastic job so far. Just goes to show you don't need 6 scoring forwards to beat Kerry if you can shut down their threats at the other end.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Mayo Border on August 11, 2019, 04:20:28 PM
34000 and wait for the bandwagoners yapping for final tickets. ;D
50,000 less than yesterday.  That's in excess of 2 million euros lost to the GAA.  How much did Bertie Ahearn allocate to Dublin GAA annually? 2 million euros
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: irish345 on August 11, 2019, 04:24:12 PM
what are u serious 34,000 for a all ireland semi final
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: kerryforsam19 on August 11, 2019, 04:26:17 PM
Peter Kane has never lost a championship game for kerry at senior or minor as kerry manager. Kerry to win by 6/7. Roll on croke park 3 weeks to knock jackeens off their perch.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2019, 04:27:39 PM
Peter Kane has never lost a championship game for kerry at senior or minor as kerry manager. Kerry to win by 6/7. Roll on croke park 3 weeks to knock jackeens off their perch.

Who?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: macdanger2 on August 11, 2019, 04:30:49 PM
Ridiculously soft free for Geaney there
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:30:58 PM
Cute play there by Geaney getting Sludden booked for off the ball wrestling and getting a hop ball from which Kerry got a score.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:33:43 PM
Foley getting detroyed by McShane, Kerry need to make a change.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Zulu on August 11, 2019, 04:34:19 PM
Cute play there by Geaney getting Sludden booked for off the ball wrestling and getting a hop ball from which Kerry got a score.

That was a disgraceful decision. If a ref doesn't know what happened he just have a word them, not book them both. Geaney was clearly the aggressor there but if you haven't seen it then why book them?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 04:35:15 PM
Cute play there by Geaney getting Sludden booked for off the ball wrestling and getting a hop ball from which Kerry got a score.

That was a disgraceful decision. If a ref doesn't know what happened he just have a word them, not book them both. Geaney was clearly the aggressor there but if you haven't seen it then why book them?

Dirty kerry diving again for another  soft free.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: MayoBuck on August 11, 2019, 04:35:52 PM
Cute play there by Geaney getting Sludden booked for off the ball wrestling and getting a hop ball from which Kerry got a score.

And the score they got was never a free!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 11, 2019, 04:36:31 PM
This reffing is a disgrace. Two points he basically just give them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:37:02 PM
There is a serious amount of off the ball holding in this game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2019, 04:37:07 PM
A lot of diving for frees by Kerry. Seems their only way of getting scores
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dubhaltach on August 11, 2019, 04:38:44 PM
Deegan ruining yet another game. How does this clown keep getting high profile matches??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 04:39:02 PM
A lot of diving for frees by Kerry. Seems their only way of getting scores

Jesus deegan riding tyrone again. 2015 all over again. Soft frees
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 04:39:13 PM
Peter Kane has never lost a championship game for kerry at senior or minor as kerry manager. Kerry to win by 6/7. Roll on croke park 3 weeks to knock jackeens off their perch.

Who?

Harry Kanes brother.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:39:18 PM
Deegan is a woeful referee.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 11, 2019, 04:40:15 PM
What is Deggan at with his phantom frees
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 11, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
Puke football from Kerry, looking for soft frees. Sherwood has made a difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Zulu on August 11, 2019, 04:44:12 PM
Kerry back in this. They are not doing enough of what they should be doing to break the Tyrone defence but they are starting to.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:46:54 PM
Sounds like Kerry have more support at this match than Tyrone, very poor atmosphere though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2019, 04:48:40 PM
Tyrone’s goose is cooked
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 04:48:44 PM
Some goal. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2019, 04:48:58 PM
Some turnaround by Kerry in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 11, 2019, 04:49:39 PM
Tyrone have shit the nest.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:49:46 PM
Great goal in a drab game, only look likes one winner now.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 11, 2019, 04:50:11 PM
Tyrone collapsing.

It’s like they slowly drifted off to sleep since HT and let Kerry back into it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 04:50:20 PM
Some turnaround by Kerry in the 2nd half.

Aided by 3 soft frees from ref
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2019, 04:50:33 PM
Kerry lead by 3. Tyrone will be kicking themselves if they lose this game
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 04:51:18 PM
1-8 to 3 since half time :o
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 04:51:28 PM
Some turnaround by Kerry in the 2nd half.

Aided by 3 soft frees from ref

Your hole.  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:53:55 PM
Peter Harte is having a stinker today.

Soe amount of histrionics by both sides today, it's a contest full of cynicism.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 04:54:09 PM
McCann doing what he does best.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 11, 2019, 04:54:38 PM
Deegan must be taking tips from David Gough. A lot of off the ball fouls he’s giving.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 11, 2019, 04:55:57 PM
Terrible ref.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2019, 04:56:22 PM
The Kerry man hit his own man then claimed head injury!! Wtf
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 11, 2019, 04:56:56 PM
Deegan won’t be holidaying in Tyrone this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 11, 2019, 04:57:11 PM
Deggan has turned this game on its head with baffling decisions.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: An Watcher on August 11, 2019, 04:57:44 PM
Some turnaround from the ref alright
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 04:58:17 PM
Wonder what Harte will have to say about Deegan after this match, he has rode Tyrone today.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 04:58:49 PM
Some turnaround by Kerry in the 2nd half.

Aided by 3 soft frees from ref

Your hole.  8)

Ach now even the commentators have questioned a few of them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 11, 2019, 04:59:49 PM
I'd be pist with Deggan if I was a Tyrone supporter, if Kerry get Deggan in the final they have some hope.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: nrico2006 on August 11, 2019, 05:00:08 PM
You knew Tyrone would lose. Always do against the top teams. Same problems exist, main one is that they don't score enough in game's when it counts and have zero goal threat, it's as if Harte coaches his team's to not go for goals.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 05:00:15 PM
Some turnaround by Kerry in the 2nd half.

Aided by 3 soft frees from ref

Your hole.  8)

Ach now even the commentators have questioned a few of them

High tackles are shocking from Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 05:00:49 PM
This has been a woeful advert for gaelic football.

The level of cynicism is the worst I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 11, 2019, 05:01:38 PM
Tyrone getting dirty now with the high tackles!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 11, 2019, 05:01:57 PM
I would say the ref hasn’t lost this for Tyrone. Tyrone haven’t turned up and Walsh for Kerry has been immense
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 05:02:02 PM
Dunno which is worse. The game or the gruesome twosome commentary of Ger and Dessie.

The commentary
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 11, 2019, 05:02:21 PM
Manufacturing the dream final... well done deegan
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 11, 2019, 05:02:29 PM
Kerry not as naive as they looked first half. Going down for a stream of injuries all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 05:04:29 PM
Geaney has been excellent second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 05:07:42 PM
The Kerry man hit his own man then claimed head injury!! Wtf

Seen that! Them cute Kerry hoors
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 05:08:17 PM
Deegan won’t be holidaying in Tyrone this year.

Who does?!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 11, 2019, 05:10:15 PM
Manufacturing the dream final... well done deegan

I think Tyrone did that themselves!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 05:10:30 PM
Deegan won’t be holidaying in Tyrone this year.

Who does?!

 ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 11, 2019, 05:11:12 PM
Very strange game. Tyrone in complete control and they just slowly imploded during the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 05:11:20 PM
Game of two halves Kerry just about deserved it after they started to get the ball into Geaney and Clifford.

Largely forgettable contest though for which Maurice Deegan was the star of the show!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 05:11:42 PM
Manufacturing the dream final... well done deegan

Tyrone second half performance and ill disipline helped.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: mrdeeds on August 11, 2019, 05:12:12 PM
Deegan MOTM.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 05:13:54 PM
That’s a very average Kerry team. Which tells us a lot  about Tyrone. Dublin will win the final by 10+ points.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 05:14:11 PM
Deegan should never be allowed another game outside Junior B. Although better team won on the day. Scary to think what Mannion and O’Callaghan will do to that defence though if they don’t tighten up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: ONeill on August 11, 2019, 05:14:24 PM
We can't beat a good team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Blowitupref on August 11, 2019, 05:14:41 PM
FT Kerry 1-18 Tyrone 0-18.  Some turnaround by Kerry from 4 points down to win by 3. Tyrone will probably left to rue a 1st half where they should have led a lot more than 4 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 05:14:46 PM
Maybe bitter here but 3-4 gifted frees from ref kept Kerry in the game for 2nd time since 2015. Only consolation is that he wont ref the final and kerry will be destroyed
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:14:56 PM
That’ll be a tough one for Tyrone to tqke
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Zulu on August 11, 2019, 05:15:07 PM
Kerry deserving winners and I thought it was a better game than most others here seem to have viewed it. Deegan gave Kerry a few soft frees but don't think you could argue he was the difference at all. Kerry took over in the second half and won because Tyrone's system is not good enough against the tope teams if they play it right. I was surprised Kerry were so poor in the first half and carried so much down the middle, that's the last thing you do, especially with isolated carriers. They showed more patience and picked the holes in the second half.


Hard to know how Kerry will do in the final. Their defence will hardly hold up against the Dubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 05:15:42 PM
We can't beat a good team.

Or indeed, an average one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 11, 2019, 05:16:07 PM


Bitterly disappointed we really had kerry were we wanted And should have seen it out.
Deegan was held bent on making this about himself and the dream final, a complete disgrace.
In saying that the wides early on in the 2nd half lost it and the give away for the goal.
Rte rubbing salt in the wounds by giving the black card hero man of the match
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 05:16:20 PM
I thought Deegan fucked us badly in 2015 but that just takes the biscuit.

An absolute and utter disgrace.

Deegan single handedly brought Kerry back into that game with a string of ridiculous frees but I think you have to look at the mentality of the team out there, in the face of adversity too many times we have collapsed. And even with Deegan dragging Kerry back into it we have to look at our own role in matters.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 11, 2019, 05:16:42 PM
O’Brien sounds pretty confident that he will get off one of the black cards anyway. Unsurprisingly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 11, 2019, 05:16:53 PM
We can't beat a good team.

Or indeed, an average one.

Were does that leave armagh?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:17:04 PM


Bitterly disappointed we really had kerry were we wanted And should have seen it out.
Deegan was held bent on making this about himself and the dream final, a complete disgrace.
In saying that the wides early on in the 2nd half lost it and the give away for the goal.
Rte rubbing salt in the wounds by giving the black card hero man of the match

Don’t forget the stray pass which ended up a goal for Kerry
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: HiMucker on August 11, 2019, 05:17:04 PM
Big crowd.
Is that the worst AI semi final attendance in recent years in what would have been classed as a perfect rivalry? I genuinely was shocked at the attendance
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 05:17:13 PM
Kerry deserving winners and I thought it was a better game than most others here seem to have viewed it. Deegan gave Kerry a few soft frees but don't think you could argue he was the difference at all. Kerry took over in the second half and won because Tyrone's system is not good enough against the tope teams if they play it right. I was surprised Kerry were so poor in the first half and carried so much down the middle, that's the last thing you do, especially with isolated carriers. They showed more patience and picked the holes in the second half.


Hard to know how Kerry will do in the final. Their defence will hardly hold up against the Dubs.

Tyrone lost by 3 points. Kerry got at least 3 non frees, mcshane didn't get a clear free at the other which resulted in kerry goal. Def ref impacted the came. Key had 2 non frees given in first 5 min of 2nd half even commentators questioned them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Main Street on August 11, 2019, 05:17:24 PM
In the 2nd half Kerry didn't have to do anything remarkable to get back on level terms by the 55th minute. Tyrone had that game won and let it slip, regrets there will be a few.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Erne Man on August 11, 2019, 05:17:37 PM
Tyrone disappeared completely in the second half.
Too many bang average players on that Tyrone side - Meyler, Burns and McGeary in particular. Fine athletes but limited footballers - decision making when it really counts is poor.
In saying that Dublin will comfortably deal with Kerry in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 05:17:40 PM
I thought Deegan fucked us badly in 2015 but that just takes the biscuit.

An absolute and utter disgrace.

Deegan single handedly brought Kerry back into that game with a string of ridiculous frees but I think you have to look at the mentality of the team out there, in the face of adversity too many times we have collapsed. And even with Deegan dragging Kerry back into it we have to look at our own role in matters.

Always the McKenna cup next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 05:18:10 PM
Maybe bitter here but 3-4 gifted frees from ref kept Kerry in the game for 2nd time since 2015. Only consolation is that he wont ref the final and kerry will be destroyed
Ref was woeful for both teams but yeah gave Kerry more. Don’t know how he was allowed back to a championship game after his performance in Castlebar when we played Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armaghtothebone on August 11, 2019, 05:19:05 PM
Deegan won’t be holidaying in Tyrone this year.

I hate Tyrone with a passion.
But even I have to admit Deegan is absolutely biased.
Dreadful, simply dreadful.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 11, 2019, 05:19:40 PM
Give Mickey another 5 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 05:19:43 PM
Kerry deserving winners and I thought it was a better game than most others here seem to have viewed it. Deegan gave Kerry a few soft frees but don't think you could argue he was the difference at all. Kerry took over in the second half and won because Tyrone's system is not good enough against the tope teams if they play it right. I was surprised Kerry were so poor in the first half and carried so much down the middle, that's the last thing you do, especially with isolated carriers. They showed more patience and picked the holes in the second half.


Hard to know how Kerry will do in the final. Their defence will hardly hold up against the Dubs.

Tyrone lost by 3 points. Kerry got at least 3 non frees, mcshane didn't get a clear free at the other which resulted in kerry goal. Def ref impacted the came. Key had 2 non frees given in first 5 min of 2nd half even commentators questioned them
Don’t know what you were watching but the goal came from a shite handpass. The ref did ride yas but can’t blame him there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: kerryforsam19 on August 11, 2019, 05:20:01 PM
Delighted to get the win. We were very poor today but great to be in another final. I have to say Maurice Deegan had a excellent game. Spot on with everything
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 05:20:06 PM
Maybe bitter here but 3-4 gifted frees from ref kept Kerry in the game for 2nd time since 2015. Only consolation is that he wont ref the final and kerry will be destroyed
Ref was woeful for both teams but yeah gave Kerry more. Don’t know how he was allowed back to a championship game after his performance in Castlebar when we played Mayo.
Seriously though this is 2nd time shifting Tyrone in semi finals. Was brutal in 2015 and same again this time. Wondering what they would do to ensure kerry Dublin final now I know.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 05:20:11 PM
We can't beat a good team.

Or indeed, an average one.

Were does that leave armagh?

It wasn’t a snide comment. Merely an observation. Kerry are average.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2019, 05:20:15 PM
We can't beat a good team.
Tyrone have reached their ceiling with that group of players.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 05:20:40 PM
O’Brien sounds pretty confident that he will get off one of the black cards anyway. Unsurprisingly.
Deservedly. Daftest rule ever created.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 11, 2019, 05:21:26 PM
Deegan won’t be holidaying in Tyrone this year.

I hate Tyrone with a passion.
But even I have to admit Deegan is absolutely biased.
Dreadful, simply dreadful.

At what point can you question if the ref is simply against you. Repeat of 2015 all over again
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 11, 2019, 05:21:41 PM


Bitterly disappointed we really had kerry were we wanted And should have seen it out.
Deegan was held bent on making this about himself and the dream final, a complete disgrace.
In saying that the wides early on in the 2nd half lost it and the give away for the goal.
Rte rubbing salt in the wounds by giving the black card hero man of the match

Don’t forget the stray pass which ended up a goal for Kerry

Reading an issue in armagh too?

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 05:22:27 PM


Bitterly disappointed we really had kerry were we wanted And should have seen it out.
Deegan was held bent on making this about himself and the dream final, a complete disgrace.
In saying that the wides early on in the 2nd half lost it and the give away for the goal.
Rte rubbing salt in the wounds by giving the black card hero man of the match

Don’t forget the stray pass which ended up a goal for Kerry

Reading an issue in armagh too?
Ouch. Salty.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 11, 2019, 05:22:31 PM
Kerry deserving winners and I thought it was a better game than most others here seem to have viewed it. Deegan gave Kerry a few soft frees but don't think you could argue he was the difference at all. Kerry took over in the second half and won because Tyrone's system is not good enough against the tope teams if they play it right. I was surprised Kerry were so poor in the first half and carried so much down the middle, that's the last thing you do, especially with isolated carriers. They showed more patience and picked the holes in the second half.


Hard to know how Kerry will do in the final. Their defence will hardly hold up against the Dubs.

Tyrone lost by 3 points. Kerry got at least 3 non frees, mcshane didn't get a clear free at the other which resulted in kerry goal. Def ref impacted the came. Key had 2 non frees given in first 5 min of 2nd half even commentators questioned them
Don’t know what you were watching but the goal came from a shite handpass. The ref did ride yas but can’t blame him there.
From the same player. The amount of scores Tyrone concede from K McGearys wayward passing is unbelievable. Too many basic errors from Tyrone again and this management are not able to fix it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 11, 2019, 05:23:00 PM
We can't beat a good team.

Or indeed, an average one.

Were does that leave armagh?

It wasn’t a snide comment. Merely an observation. Kerry are average.

Neither was mine... genuine question???
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:23:25 PM
I thought Deegan fucked us badly in 2015 but that just takes the biscuit.

An absolute and utter disgrace.

Deegan single handedly brought Kerry back into that game with a string of ridiculous frees but I think you have to look at the mentality of the team out there, in the face of adversity too many times we have collapsed. And even with Deegan dragging Kerry back into it we have to look at our own role in matters.

After your absolute disgust at Mannion in the Leinster final I thought you would have been in here giving off about R adonnelly? Maybe I missed it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 11, 2019, 05:23:28 PM
Will Mickey Harte resign now, I don't see what else he can do with this team?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 05:24:34 PM
I thought Deegan fucked us badly in 2015 but that just takes the biscuit.

An absolute and utter disgrace.

Deegan single handedly brought Kerry back into that game with a string of ridiculous frees but I think you have to look at the mentality of the team out there, in the face of adversity too many times we have collapsed. And even with Deegan dragging Kerry back into it we have to look at our own role in matters.

Donnelly was up fairly quickly on his knees.

Mannion lay down for 2 minutes trying to get his opponent sent off.

After your absolute disgust at Mannion in the Leinster final I thought you would have been in here giving off about R adonnelly? Maybe I missed it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 05:24:47 PM
Deegan won’t be holidaying in Tyrone this year.

I hate Tyrone with a passion.
But even I have to admit Deegan is absolutely biased.
Dreadful, simply dreadful.

At what point can you question if the ref is simply against you. Repeat of 2015 all over again
Must be Northern teams because he rode us too vs Mayo.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:24:50 PM


Bitterly disappointed we really had kerry were we wanted And should have seen it out.
Deegan was held bent on making this about himself and the dream final, a complete disgrace.
In saying that the wides early on in the 2nd half lost it and the give away for the goal.
Rte rubbing salt in the wounds by giving the black card hero man of the match

Don’t forget the stray pass which ended up a goal for Kerry

Reading an issue in armagh too?

Hahaha. Completely missed that
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Main Street on August 11, 2019, 05:26:14 PM
 McStay "I thought he was on the edge of an overcarry" about Geaney before he delivered the pass for the goal.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: irish345 on August 11, 2019, 05:26:42 PM
is it time to take the semis out of croke park i suggested the idea that the winner of super 8 group should get home advantage
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 05:26:48 PM
I thought Deegan fucked us badly in 2015 but that just takes the biscuit.

An absolute and utter disgrace.

Deegan single handedly brought Kerry back into that game with a string of ridiculous frees but I think you have to look at the mentality of the team out there, in the face of adversity too many times we have collapsed. And even with Deegan dragging Kerry back into it we have to look at our own role in matters.

Donnelly was up fairly quickly on his knees.

Mannion lay down for 2 minutes trying to get his opponent sent off.

After your absolute disgust at Mannion in the Leinster final I thought you would have been in here giving off about R adonnelly? Maybe I missed it

So no condemnation of ‘play acting’ when it’s a Tyrone man. Got it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 11, 2019, 05:27:20 PM


Hard to know how Kerry will do in the final. Their defence will hardly hold up against the Dubs.

Not hard to know. Kerry be well beaten in final. I predict Dublin's biggest margin of victory in All Ireland final since the 70s.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 05:27:24 PM
We can't beat a good team.

Or indeed, an average one.

Were does that leave armagh?

It wasn’t a snide comment. Merely an observation. Kerry are average.

Neither was mine... genuine question???

We are further back in our development. That is obvious. I know that, so do you. But I don’t see how that is relevant to the original point.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 05:27:56 PM
Give Mickey another 5 years.

 ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 11, 2019, 05:28:13 PM
We can't beat a good team.

Or indeed, an average one.

Were does that leave armagh?

It wasn’t a snide comment. Merely an observation. Kerry are average.

Neither was mine... genuine question???
Definitely top 12, possibly top 10 in Ireland vs Tyrone being top 5. Not really claiming to be anything more.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 11, 2019, 05:29:34 PM
Great Chance? No your mistaken. Literally no chance, but it doesn't hurt to think positive

I thought in the build up to this game that tyrone would win comfortably enough. With dublin waiting in the final I’ve changed my mind. Dublin have hammered tyrone a number of times in the past few years and I honestly think quite a few of these tyrone players psychologically will be happy to lose this one by a point or 2 to avoid another final hammering.

That may be the mentality in Derry but there is not a hope in hell any Tyrone player wants to lose an all Ireland semi final.

Dublin have hammered Tyrone once in the last few years by the way. Last year's final was not a hammering.

Dublin destroyed Tyrone pulling up. Were you on the sauce watching it. :)

Yes... but that's not the point  :D
There was 4 in it with a few minutes left. After which Tyrone missed a few great chances.

We all know Dublin had the brakes on most of the second half. Good luck today. ;D

Aye, that's the sort of thing you do in an all Ireland Final.  Dublin were rattled, worried, so much so that a fan beside me started to roar f**kin British ba$tards after Harte's penalty.

I think you'd have to look hard to find a non-Tyrone fan who'd tell you that Dublin weren't extremely comfortable once they got into the game in the first half. Tyrone have played Dublin 4 times in the Championship since August 2017 and have been well beaten on each occasion (even with half of those games being at home.)

Considering Tyrone have gone 10 years since their last big win in Croker against a non-Ulster team surely their main objective has to be just beating Kerry today. They're still a good bit off Dublin, Kerry (and probably Donegal and Mayo too realistically) and I'm not sure if they have the players to bridge the gap.

Nothing really that surprising come the end of the match. Once Kerry went up a gear in the second half Tyrone had nothing in response.

I'm not sure how you would assess Tyrone's season really, beaten well by both Donegal and Kerry and their biggest result was probably the victory over Roscommon. May have been fortunate with their qualifier and Super 8 draw.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 11, 2019, 05:30:38 PM
The two only unbeaten gay teams in the championship will meet in the AI final.

At least I’m sure that’s what Joanne said.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 11, 2019, 05:30:45 PM
Deegan won’t be holidaying in Tyrone this year.

I hate Tyrone with a passion.
But even I have to admit Deegan is absolutely biased.
Dreadful, simply dreadful.




At what point can you question if the ref is simply against you. Repeat of 2015 all over again
Must be Northern teams because he rode us too vs Mayo.

I think it's beyond doubt that Northern sides don't get the same breaks their Southern counterparts get when it comes to match officials and media portrayals and narratives. Tyrone will have taken the brunt of that for the past decade as they have stuck around at the business end of the Championship. You will probably recall some of the unfair "macho" portrayals of the Armagh team when they were at the top too and how it sometimes went against them with referees.

To beat a side like Kerry you will always have to be 5 or 6 points better than them as they will always get the decisions and Deegan is probably their biggest asset on a pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 07:49:10 PM
Bump
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 07:50:05 PM
Bizarre state of affairs locking and unlocking this thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: ONeill on August 11, 2019, 07:51:11 PM
I'd try not to let it worry ye.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 07:52:39 PM
I'd try not to let it worry ye.

It doesn't. You must be exhausted logging in and out replying to yourself.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 07:53:15 PM
I'd try not to let it worry ye.

It doesn't. You must be exhausted logging in and out replying to yourself.

If it doesn’t worry you why have you been banging on about it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 11, 2019, 08:13:31 PM
I'd try not to let it worry ye.

It doesn't. You must be exhausted logging in and out replying to yourself.

If it doesn’t worry you why have you been banging on about it

You seem to bang on about a wide range of issues here, I assume none really bother you.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 11, 2019, 08:16:34 PM
I'd try not to let it worry ye.

It doesn't. You must be exhausted logging in and out replying to yourself.

If it doesn’t worry you why have you been banging on about it

You seem to bang on about a wide range of issues here, I assume none really bother you.

Haha. Touché
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 11, 2019, 08:34:23 PM
We can't beat a good team.

Or indeed, an average one.

Were does that leave armagh?

It wasn’t a snide comment. Merely an observation. Kerry are average.

Neither was mine... genuine question???

We are further back in our development. That is obvious. I know that, so do you. But I don’t see how that is relevant to the original point.

Well according to your criteria it would mean that armagh are well below average but it seems not to be based on statistics as your calling at least 1 of the top 4 teams out of 32 average.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 11, 2019, 09:28:13 PM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.

McNamee has arguably been the best defender in the country to this point. He has seen off the likes of McBrearty, Cox and Hurley well at this point. Clifford is a tough assignment for any defender but McMenamin dealt with very well for Donegal at Croke Park. Who would you suggest?

Rory Brennan probably has the best profile, doesn't tend to get involved in the niggle McNamee does either concentrating on the task at hand. McNamee superior physicality probably best served marking Geaney who could overpower Brennan.

Just my opinion on the match ups. We'll see what Harte does.

That said, McNamee best defender in country to this point? Absolutely no.

Cleaned by Tommy Walsh.

That's the end of that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 11, 2019, 09:39:28 PM
So it seems Kerry didn't win the game just a case if the Ref beating Tyrone  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: oakleafgael on August 11, 2019, 09:39:43 PM
Proverbial game of two halves. Couldn't believe the decision to take Niall Sludden off. He was motoring well. All you ask of a referee is that he doesn't unduly influence the result, unfortunately that wasn't the case today. It seems to be acceptable to mark Peter Harte by bear hugging him for 70 minutes. Kerry subs made a world of difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: oakleafgael on August 11, 2019, 09:41:18 PM
So it seems Kerry didn't win the game just a case if the Ref beating Tyrone  ::)

They made some good changes at half time but I can't see how a neutral observer wouldn't notice the influence of the referee.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 11, 2019, 10:50:05 PM
We lost that game today due to unforced errors, which are simply unacceptable at this level, if we have serious designs on the bigger prizes. You cannot gift the opposition possession, simple as.

The Ref was poor, very poor, but not the ultimate difference in the end.

Ciarraí, alas, will probably not provide stiff enough opposition to the Dubs in the Final, though stranger things have happened, but the Dubs won't make the same unbidden mistakes as we did, not a chance.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 11, 2019, 10:55:45 PM
If Deegan does act the ballix and we win, it will be good practise for the final.  I still maintain that niaivity cost us the final last year. When 5-6 points up Col Cav was remonstrating with the ref about a (Dublin trademark) 3rd man crossing type obstruction that prevented him from making a tackle in the lead up to a point.  I think the Dubs got another point when he was still out of position.  Shortly after, you had 3 of our lads disputing a Dublin mark when the Dubs were up the field scoring a goal.  This is the part of this team's psyche that will lose them the big games if it isn't addressed.  Need to stay focussed for every second no matter what the other team or the ref do.

Very true, we need to keep that imperturbable focus and discipline, regardless of what else is going on, with the ref and otherwise.
Feck it.  Sludden fell into the trap and then we imploded after the other free Kerry points. I suppose keeping the head is easier said than done when you are faced with the smiling assassin!

The lack of ruthlessness in the first half, I.e. lash in a few goals, cost us.  Think the team underestimated Kerry with one eye on the final.  Good luck Kerry-hope your forwards shine on the big day.  For Tyrone, keep funnelling through the u21's and we'll be up there every year, you can't ask for more than that under the current setup. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on August 12, 2019, 01:17:40 AM
Not the only factor, but the ref definitely a major factor today.  Kept Kerry in the game first half and early second half with some very soft frees.  Don't think many were technically not frees, but he didn't apply the same stringency for both sides.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: J70 on August 12, 2019, 02:41:40 AM
If Deegan does act the ballix and we win, it will be good practise for the final.  I still maintain that niaivity cost us the final last year. When 5-6 points up Col Cav was remonstrating with the ref about a (Dublin trademark) 3rd man crossing type obstruction that prevented him from making a tackle in the lead up to a point.  I think the Dubs got another point when he was still out of position.  Shortly after, you had 3 of our lads disputing a Dublin mark when the Dubs were up the field scoring a goal.  This is the part of this team's psyche that will lose them the big games if it isn't addressed.  Need to stay focussed for every second no matter what the other team or the ref do.

Very true, we need to keep that imperturbable focus and discipline, regardless of what else is going on, with the ref and otherwise.
Feck it.  Sludden fell into the trap and then we imploded after the other free Kerry points. I suppose keeping the head is easier said than done when you are faced with the smiling assassin!

The lack of ruthlessness in the first half, I.e. lash in a few goals, cost us.  Think the team underestimated Kerry with one eye on the final.  Good luck Kerry-hope your forwards shine on the big day.  For Tyrone, keep funnelling through the u21's and we'll be up there every year, you can't ask for more than that under the current setup.

Why on earth would Tyrone underestimate Kerry or have one eye on the final?

What have Tyrone done to justify such an attitude, assuming complacency was a factor?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2019, 07:39:34 AM
Why would they underestimate Kerry? Ridiculous comment...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2019, 07:55:56 AM
My over riding feeling after the game is one of frustration. Yes the ref rode us during the crucial period after half time and he consistently failed to protect Peter Harte from getting dogs abuse but we failed to kill the game when we had the chances. Why oh why would we spend 5 or 6 minutes at the end of the first half hand passing the ball amongst ourselves 21 yards from our own goal when Kerry’s defence are all over the place and we dominating. Kerry mustn’t have believed their luck. I never want to hear the phrase “game management” again. This wasn’t game management, this was plain and simply letting Kerry off the hook. Tyrone may have wanted to avoid conceding a goal before half time but ffs just go and win the game, another two or three points or maybe even a goal at that stage would have killed the game and the refs soft frees wouldn’t have been an issue. We are far too conservative in our approach and it is costing us big games.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 12, 2019, 08:10:25 AM
My over riding feeling after the game is one of frustration. Yes the ref rode us during the crucial period after half time and he consistently failed to protect Peter Harte from getting dogs abuse but we failed to kill the game when we had the chances. Why oh why would we spend 5 or 6 minutes at the end of the first half hand passing the ball amongst ourselves 21 yards from our own goal when Kerry’s defence are all over the place and we dominating. Kerry mustn’t have believed their luck. I never want to hear the phrase “game management” again. This wasn’t game management, this was plain and simply letting Kerry off the hook. Tyrone may have wanted to avoid conceding a goal before half time but ffs just go and win the game, another two or three points or maybe even a goal at that stage would have killed the game and the refs soft frees wouldn’t have been an issue. We are far too conservative in our approach and it is costing us big games.
conservative Catholic manager equals conservative team. Most Tyrone people have figured this out years ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Hereiam on August 12, 2019, 09:33:03 AM
My over riding feeling after the game is one of frustration. Yes the ref rode us during the crucial period after half time and he consistently failed to protect Peter Harte from getting dogs abuse but we failed to kill the game when we had the chances. Why oh why would we spend 5 or 6 minutes at the end of the first half hand passing the ball amongst ourselves 21 yards from our own goal when Kerry’s defence are all over the place and we dominating. Kerry mustn’t have believed their luck. I never want to hear the phrase “game management” again. This wasn’t game management, this was plain and simply letting Kerry off the hook. Tyrone may have wanted to avoid conceding a goal before half time but ffs just go and win the game, another two or three points or maybe even a goal at that stage would have killed the game and the refs soft frees wouldn’t have been an issue. We are far too conservative in our approach and it is costing us big games.

I was screaming at the TV when they started this carry on..... go and put the ball over the bar.
Taking Sludden off was a strange one, he was going well while Petey Harte was being marked outa it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 12, 2019, 10:08:29 AM
the ref ....... consistently failed to protect Peter Harte from getting dogs abuse
Conor Cox's ribs and every part of Enda Smith will have wry smiles at that
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 10:33:06 AM
Unfortunately this Tyrone team / squad are mentally weak on the really big days in Croke Park.  Seeing them up close, that is not a great Kerry team, not yet anyway, they are still young but Tyrone's experience really should have seen them prevail through this.  I see people meanting fitness, S&C, Maurice Deegan as reasons for the defeat but no, this was once again an implosion by Tyrone.  After a very comfortable first half, they went completely into their shell 2nd half and looked like they played with fear.  A fear of going ahead and actually winning the match against Kerry. 

Some bizarre calls on the line as well yesterday I felt and I am a Mickey Harte fan.  Peter Harte was getting a lot of abuse and wasn't getting into the game.  Just move him into the full forward line and then you have a normal defender against a normal forward situation.  I thought that was a pretty simple / obvious move.  Peter Harte didn't touch the ball for the first 19-20 minutes of the game as I remember his first touch and thinking that's the first time I've seen him.  Our best player and we cant get him into the match.  You have to do  / change something to get him on the ball and to start affecting the play.

Matty Donnelly & Frank Burns were going really well first half but faded out of it second half.  We still lack forwards with real scoring firepower.  McShane done well yesterday but bar him, we didn't have another cutting edge forward.  McAliskey on his day could possibly bring that to Tyrone but he doesn't seem to be trusted to start by the management.  Still need another few though, the likes of Kerry have O'Shea, Clifford, Geaney and O'Brien who can cause damage.  All Dublins forwards and their subs can tear defences to shreds.  Tyrone lack the firepower up front to really put manners on the top 2 or 3 teams.  We probably depending on the likes of Canavan and a couple from the under 20's to come through to give us some more options up front.  You wont win an all Ireland without 4-5 top forwards tbh. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 12, 2019, 10:38:02 AM
the ref ....... consistently failed to protect Peter Harte from getting dogs abuse
Conor Cox's ribs and every part of Enda Smith will have wry smiles at that

Waaa waaa waaa poor Tyrone the mean Kerry lads wouldn't allow them to play football!!

You couldn't make it up! Peter Harte has been around long enough at this stage to be able to handle that, it's not new and certainly Tyrone have been more than good at doing it to other teams in years gone by. I would have thought bringing him out to half back would have made a difference but obviously the management team didn't feel that way.

Mickey Harte should be stepping down to be fair, All Irelands are what matter to Tyrone and they haven't won one or looked close to it in over 10 years. He won't though he wants that job until he dies it'll take an almighty coup from the County Board and it'll be messy as hell.

Can't wait :)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: The Bearded One on August 12, 2019, 10:43:08 AM
I don't think anyone from Derry can say a thing about County Boards and messes!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2019, 10:54:43 AM
the ref ....... consistently failed to protect Peter Harte from getting dogs abuse
Conor Cox's ribs and every part of Enda Smith will have wry smiles at that

Waaa waaa waaa poor Tyrone the mean Kerry lads wouldn't allow them to play football!!

You couldn't make it up! Peter Harte has been around long enough at this stage to be able to handle that, it's not new and certainly Tyrone have been more than good at doing it to other teams in years gone by. I would have thought bringing him out to half back would have made a difference but obviously the management team didn't feel that way.

Mickey Harte should be stepping down to be fair, All Irelands are what matter to Tyrone and they haven't won one or looked close to it in over 10 years. He won't though he wants that job until he dies it'll take an almighty coup from the County Board and it'll be messy as hell.

Can't wait :)

It’s about all there is to look forward to in Derry. Sad for such a proud football county.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 12, 2019, 11:07:18 AM
I'd probably be looking along the lines of Hampsey picking up Sean O'Shea, McNamee on Clifford, HP on Geaney and Meyler on O'Brien.

That has early yellow/black card all over it. Let's hope for McNamee sake he has one of those games this weekend. If not Clifford will destroy him.

McNamee has arguably been the best defender in the country to this point. He has seen off the likes of McBrearty, Cox and Hurley well at this point. Clifford is a tough assignment for any defender but McMenamin dealt with very well for Donegal at Croke Park. Who would you suggest?

Rory Brennan probably has the best profile, doesn't tend to get involved in the niggle McNamee does either concentrating on the task at hand. McNamee superior physicality probably best served marking Geaney who could overpower Brennan.

Just my opinion on the match ups. We'll see what Harte does.

That said, McNamee best defender in country to this point? Absolutely no.

Cleaned by Tommy Walsh.

That's the end of that.

Odd as it was Hampsey who picked him up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: thejuice on August 12, 2019, 11:09:26 AM
Speaking as a Meath man with experience of this, don’t go changing management for the sake of change. Wait till you have a clear successor and a plan to take things to the next level before getting rid of a manager who has consistently kept you in the top tier for the last decade. If MH can keep you in the top four for another year or two while you get someone with a proven track record of success lined you’d be better off than going with some familiar name who’s not won anything of note.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 12, 2019, 11:10:00 AM
the ref ....... consistently failed to protect Peter Harte from getting dogs abuse
Conor Cox's ribs and every part of Enda Smith will have wry smiles at that

The same Enda Smith who should have got the line in the first minute?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 12, 2019, 11:22:35 AM
Speaking as a Meath man with experience of this, don’t go changing management for the sake of change. Wait till you have a clear successor and a plan to take things to the next level before getting rid of a manager who has consistently kept you in the top tier for the last decade. If MH can keep you in the top four for another year or two while you get someone with a proven track record of success lined you’d be better off than going with some familiar name who’s not won anything of note.

Id agree with this.  Malachi O'Rourke would be a good fit for Tyrone I feel
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: johnnycool on August 12, 2019, 11:30:35 AM
Speaking as a Meath man with experience of this, don’t go changing management for the sake of change. Wait till you have a clear successor and a plan to take things to the next level before getting rid of a manager who has consistently kept you in the top tier for the last decade. If MH can keep you in the top four for another year or two while you get someone with a proven track record of success lined you’d be better off than going with some familiar name who’s not won anything of note.

Id agree with this.  Malachi O'Rourke would be a good fit for Tyrone I feel

How would that ever work out?







Unless he's related to Micky.


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 11:37:51 AM
Speaking as a Meath man with experience of this, don’t go changing management for the sake of change. Wait till you have a clear successor and a plan to take things to the next level before getting rid of a manager who has consistently kept you in the top tier for the last decade. If MH can keep you in the top four for another year or two while you get someone with a proven track record of success lined you’d be better off than going with some familiar name who’s not won anything of note.

There is no top 4 there is Dublin that's it, all Ulster, Munster and Connacht teams can hope for is a provincial title at best.  Is Rory Gallagher free, him and Ricey could do a great job?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: thejuice on August 12, 2019, 12:13:24 PM
Top 4 = semifinalists obviously.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Shamrock Shore on August 12, 2019, 12:13:55 PM
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Is Rory Gallagher free

Oh sweet Jesus - I would rather see the late great guitarist in line as a replacement instead of the living version.
But then, not being from Tyrone, can I have a view.

I do think Mickey's time is well up at this stage and, while I do see juice's point that change for change sake is not a good enough reason, I do think there must be a dream team out of there of former AI winners that could improve things.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 12:20:18 PM
Top 4 = semifinalists obviously.

Not with the qualifier system, Tyrone had a handy run and a handy group - Donegal hammered them in the Ulster Semi.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 12:21:27 PM
Top 4 = semifinalists obviously.

Not with the qualifier system, Tyrone had a handy run and a handy group - Donegal hammered them in the Ulster Semi.

Which team who didn’t get to the semi finals are better
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 12, 2019, 12:46:01 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: J70 on August 12, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 12, 2019, 02:18:18 PM
In the absence of play offs to determine places that's my opinion.
Like ourselves Donegal need to reach an AI SF to be classed as top 4.
As if now there's only a Top 1 unless Kerry surprisingly upset the apple cart.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: redzone on August 12, 2019, 02:49:10 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.
Donegal were a div 2 team this year don't forget. Had a great year all the same
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Keyser soze on August 12, 2019, 03:07:25 PM
Surreal atmosphere for an All Ireland semi when you can hear the players shouting at each other from the stand.

Maurice Deegan should be nowhere near a football field. running 50 metres to award frees for off the ball holding and 2 minutes later standing watching Harte being bear hugged right in front of him and taking no action. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 03:37:09 PM
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Is Rory Gallagher free

Oh sweet Jesus - I would rather see the late great guitarist in line as a replacement instead of the living version.
But then, not being from Tyrone, can I have a view.

I do think Mickey's time is well up at this stage and, while I do see juice's point that change for change sake is not a good enough reason, I do think there must be a dream team out of there of former AI winners that could improve things.
Me too. Mickey has no more ideas . He has earned his place in the Tyrone pantheon and should make way for someone who can bring the team on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 12, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
We lost that game today due to unforced errors, which are simply unacceptable at this level, if we have serious designs on the bigger prizes. You cannot gift the opposition possession, simple as.

The Ref was poor, very poor, but not the ultimate difference in the end.

Ciarraí, alas, will probably not provide stiff enough opposition to the Dubs in the Final, though stranger things have happened, but the Dubs won't make the same unbidden mistakes as we did, not a chance.

Nobody should be surprised about the defeat and the manner of it. The happy clapper element of the Tyrone posters on here had a go at me a few weeks for stating that Tyrone would unravel as soon as a decent team asked a few questions of them. That's exactly what happened, again, in the second half on Sunday. This team was built on a ultra defensive model which was blown out of the water and Mickey has since blundered back and forth in the hope of finding something that works. The team is tactically confused and its no wonder that they don't know what to do when they they are put under pressure. Mickey will always be a legend in Tyrone but he has held this current crop back, he should have called it a day a while back and given somebody else a shot.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 03:56:40 PM
If Deegan does act the ballix and we win, it will be good practise for the final.  I still maintain that niaivity cost us the final last year. When 5-6 points up Col Cav was remonstrating with the ref about a (Dublin trademark) 3rd man crossing type obstruction that prevented him from making a tackle in the lead up to a point.  I think the Dubs got another point when he was still out of position.  Shortly after, you had 3 of our lads disputing a Dublin mark when the Dubs were up the field scoring a goal.  This is the part of this team's psyche that will lose them the big games if it isn't addressed.  Need to stay focussed for every second no matter what the other team or the ref do.

Very true, we need to keep that imperturbable focus and discipline, regardless of what else is going on, with the ref and otherwise.
Feck it.  Sludden fell into the trap and then we imploded after the other free Kerry points. I suppose keeping the head is easier said than done when you are faced with the smiling assassin!

The lack of ruthlessness in the first half, I.e. lash in a few goals, cost us.  Think the team underestimated Kerry with one eye on the final.  Good luck Kerry-hope your forwards shine on the big day.  For Tyrone, keep funnelling through the u21's and we'll be up there every year, you can't ask for more than that under the current setup.

Why on earth would Tyrone underestimate Kerry or have one eye on the final?

What have Tyrone done to justify such an attitude, assuming complacency was a factor?

At half time Kerry looked Bate-losing it all over the field-possible reason to get distracted by thoughts of the final.
Eh, reach the final last year and come close to the Dubs near the end-beat and rattle them in the league?  Be ambitious?-is this allowed?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 12, 2019, 04:30:33 PM
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Is Rory Gallagher free

Oh sweet Jesus - I would rather see the late great guitarist in line as a replacement instead of the living version.
But then, not being from Tyrone, can I have a view.

I do think Mickey's time is well up at this stage and, while I do see juice's point that change for change sake is not a good enough reason, I do think there must be a dream team out of there of former AI winners that could improve things.
Me too. Mickey has no more ideas . He has earned his place in the Tyrone pantheon and should make way for someone who can bring the team on.

Harte has become the GAA’s Arsene Wenger.

I think he is already doing damage to his legacy in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 12, 2019, 04:32:02 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

Tyrone played Dublin, Kerry, Donegal this year in the Championship and were beaten well in each game. Only for their qualifier and Super 8 draw it's likely they would have been knocked out earlier. Can't see them in any top 4.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 04:34:04 PM
If Deegan does act the ballix and we win, it will be good practise for the final.  I still maintain that niaivity cost us the final last year. When 5-6 points up Col Cav was remonstrating with the ref about a (Dublin trademark) 3rd man crossing type obstruction that prevented him from making a tackle in the lead up to a point.  I think the Dubs got another point when he was still out of position.  Shortly after, you had 3 of our lads disputing a Dublin mark when the Dubs were up the field scoring a goal.  This is the part of this team's psyche that will lose them the big games if it isn't addressed.  Need to stay focussed for every second no matter what the other team or the ref do.

Very true, we need to keep that imperturbable focus and discipline, regardless of what else is going on, with the ref and otherwise.
Feck it.  Sludden fell into the trap and then we imploded after the other free Kerry points. I suppose keeping the head is easier said than done when you are faced with the smiling assassin!

The lack of ruthlessness in the first half, I.e. lash in a few goals, cost us.  Think the team underestimated Kerry with one eye on the final.  Good luck Kerry-hope your forwards shine on the big day.  For Tyrone, keep funnelling through the u21's and we'll be up there every year, you can't ask for more than that under the current setup.

Why on earth would Tyrone underestimate Kerry or have one eye on the final?

What have Tyrone done to justify such an attitude, assuming complacency was a factor?

At half time Kerry looked Bate-losing it all over the field-possible reason to get distracted by thoughts of the final.
Eh, reach the final last year and come close to the Dubs near the end-beat and rattle them in the league?  Be ambitious?-is this allowed?

After the first 15 min Tyrone never got close to the Dublin in last years final. They won that game pulling up. Dublin's attitude to the league this year was basically just fill the fixtures. They didn't even bother to introduce the mark and other league rules into their training during the league.

If Tyrone had won yesterday you could have presented Sam to Cluxton in the Hogan Stand afterwards (That at least might have drawn a crowd) They have figured out how to beat the blanket a long time ago and the final would have been another stroll in the park.

Tyrone need to find a new approach to be a real contender but Mickey Harte isn't going to change his playing philosophy at this stage of his managerial career. If he doesn't step down (and based on his post match interview on Newstalk he has no intention of doing so) would there be a willingness to force the issue in Tyrone given his service and previous success?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 04:41:29 PM
Top 4 = semifinalists obviously.

Not with the qualifier system, Tyrone had a handy run and a handy group - Donegal hammered them in the Ulster Semi.

Which team who didn’t get to the semi finals are better

The team that beat Tyrone i'd say but got the harder group.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 12, 2019, 04:42:27 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Nail on head.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 05:16:34 PM
How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 12, 2019, 05:26:41 PM
Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact.

It's nowhere near a fact, why are you doing this to yourself? The victory over Roscommon was their biggest result this season and they haven't beaten a big team in Croke Park in 10 years now.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: lenny on August 12, 2019, 05:36:21 PM
Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact.

It's nowhere near a fact, why are you doing this to yourself? The victory over Roscommon was their biggest result this season and they haven't beaten a big team in Croke Park in 10 years now.

Tyrone were in complete control of that game until halftime. The reason they didn’t win was what I had predicted on here on saturday, ie deep down and maybe even subconsciously their players couldn’t bear the thought of being humiliated by dublin again. Better to lose respectably in the semifinals.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 06:24:11 PM
Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact.

It's nowhere near a fact, why are you doing this to yourself? The victory over Roscommon was their biggest result this season and they haven't beaten a big team in Croke Park in 10 years now.
How you can seriously not consider a team who has reached  several semi finals and a final in this past few years as one of the top teams in the country? What's the logic-because they haven't beaten a 'top team' (Kerry/Mayo top teams last year or only this year?) in a fictitious game!  The fact is that there was only a kick of a ball between Kerry and Tyrone and even many neutrals agree that Deegan rode us.  How we reacted to this was disappointing but that can be worked on.  Mayo (who were beaten by Roscommon)were bet out the gate in the other semi.  This clearly makes kerry/Tyrone 2nd, 3rd teams in the Country.  Why is this so hard to accept?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2019, 06:39:33 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 06:44:25 PM
How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.

Dublin cruised through the 2nd half. When Tyrone scored the penalty after the red card Dublin upped the tempo of their game and outscored them for the rest if the game. After the pen Dublin moved Howard back and he caught the last high ball put in.
Donegal realised defensive tactics won't win the big games anymore. Mickey Harte and Tyrone need to evolve as well
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 12, 2019, 06:50:36 PM
Top 4 = semifinalists obviously.

Not with the qualifier system, Tyrone had a handy run and a handy group - Donegal hammered them in the Ulster Semi.

Which team who didn’t get to the semi finals are better

The team that beat Tyrone i'd say but got the harder group.

Look at the last few years. Tyrone are one of the top 4 teams. At least
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2019, 08:25:41 PM
At present Mayo and Donegal are better than Tyrone and have put it up better to Dublin. The Either way doesn't matter, but Dublin look 10pts better than any team this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
At present Mayo and Donegal are better than Tyrone and have put it up better to Dublin. The Either way doesn't matter, but Dublin look 10pts better than any team this year.
Mayo, at present, got annihilated by Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.

Dublin cruised through the 2nd half. When Tyrone scored the penalty after the red card Dublin upped the tempo of their game and outscored them for the rest if the game. After the pen Dublin moved Howard back and he caught the last high ball put in.
Donegal realised defensive tactics won't win the big games anymore. Mickey Harte and Tyrone need to evolve as well
This commentary about defensive tactics is outdated by at least a year.  There was more kick passing in to the forward line yesterday than any game that I've watched this year and very little lateral passing.  The defending was no different to anything that Dublin do when required.  Had Mayo defended en masse after half time against the Dubs for 15 minutes, they mightn't have got so badly tanked.

Regarding the final last year,  after the penalty there were five minutes left and yes Dublin stepped it up after some terrible Tyrone wides.  That's not a team winning with the brakes on.  Tyrone were in the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: square_ball on August 12, 2019, 08:42:51 PM
At present Mayo and Donegal are better than Tyrone and have put it up better to Dublin. The Either way doesn't matter, but Dublin look 10pts better than any team this year.
Mayo, at present, got annihilated by Dublin.

When did Donegal put it up to Dublin?

Dublin are a million miles ahead of everyone. Fighting over the order of the next best teams is like bald men fighting over a comb.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2019, 08:44:03 PM
How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.

Dublin cruised through the 2nd half. When Tyrone scored the penalty after the red card Dublin upped the tempo of their game and outscored them for the rest if the game. After the pen Dublin moved Howard back and he caught the last high ball put in.
Donegal realised defensive tactics won't win the big games anymore. Mickey Harte and Tyrone need to evolve as well
Did they, aye? And how’s that working out for them?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 08:55:56 PM
At present Mayo and Donegal are better than Tyrone and have put it up better to Dublin. The Either way doesn't matter, but Dublin look 10pts better than any team this year.
Mayo, at present, got annihilated by Dublin.

When did Donegal put it up to Dublin?

Dublin are a million miles ahead of everyone. Fighting over the order of the next best teams is like bald men fighting over a comb.
As a bald Tyrone man, I'm highly offended...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: J70 on August 12, 2019, 09:28:29 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it’s all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 12, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
Top 4 = semifinalists obviously.

Not with the qualifier system, Tyrone had a handy run and a handy group - Donegal hammered them in the Ulster Semi.

Which team who didn’t get to the semi finals are better

The team that beat Tyrone i'd say but got the harder group.

Look at the last few years. Tyrone are one of the top 4 teams. At least
Not an awful pile to chose between the 4 teams below Dublin but I’d rate Tyrone the weakest of 4. All capable of beating each other though, pity we couldn’t play an All Ireland without the Dubs it would be some competition.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2019, 10:05:28 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it’s all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

5th at best based on Donegal not reaching the last four since 2014.

Tyrone believed they were the 2nd best by reaching the final  last year in reality they needed to win yesterday to back up that claim.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 10:06:40 PM
1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: LooseCannon on August 12, 2019, 10:09:39 PM
Anyone hear about water bottles?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 12, 2019, 10:13:26 PM
Anyone hear about water bottles?

Got the message... has to be a wind up I know Tyrone are bad but even I don’t think them capable of that!!!

Would fair shut up the poor Petey Harte brigade if true!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Beffs on August 12, 2019, 10:14:41 PM
Anyone hear about water bottles?

Yep. Mad altogether.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2019, 10:15:44 PM
1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.
I wouldn't be rating them up that high. Relegated to Div 3 and only championship wins this summer was v Laois and Limerick.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 12, 2019, 10:18:12 PM
Anyone hear about water bottles?

Let's get this straight: a player takes a drink from a container as provided by the opposition that an opposition player has not yet  actually sampled? Aye, right.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 12, 2019, 10:20:35 PM
1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.
I wouldn't be rating them up that high. Relegated to Div 3 and only championship wins this summer was v Laois and Limerick.
Gave Dublin their closest game of the year. I’d have Donegal ahead of either though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 10:21:41 PM
Was thinking of how they put it up to Kerry, Dublin for a half and Tyrone, plus good underage teams coming through. They'll be looking to better themselves next year. Maybe a little generous.  Roscommon/Kildare last year were woeful in Super Eights. Cork were better than that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 12, 2019, 10:25:09 PM
Donegal Marginally better but wouldn't back them to qualify.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2019, 11:05:36 PM
Different ways bottle's apparently. That rumour come out Dublin. So ridiculous, so bit like a trump rumour, though they tend to be true.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyCake on August 12, 2019, 11:30:06 PM
Anyone hear about water bottles?

What’s this now?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on August 12, 2019, 11:31:13 PM
Apparently Stephen O'Brien confirmed it as true on his Instagram. That is an absolute disgrace if true and should be looked into.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: J70 on August 12, 2019, 11:33:19 PM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it’s all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

5th at best based on Donegal not reaching the last four since 2014.

Tyrone believed they were the 2nd best by reaching the final  last year in reality they needed to win yesterday to back up that claim.

Don’t see what last five years has to do with it. This is a young and coming Donegal team. Based on this season, there is little between the likes of ourselves, Tyrone and Kerry beyond the luck of the Super 8 draw. I would have little fear of playing either ( not saying we’d win - just go in 50/50). Mayo just have our number physically. Hopefully another year or two will change that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2019, 11:36:05 PM
How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.

Dublin cruised through the 2nd half. When Tyrone scored the penalty after the red card Dublin upped the tempo of their game and outscored them for the rest if the game. After the pen Dublin moved Howard back and he caught the last high ball put in.
Donegal realised defensive tactics won't win the big games anymore. Mickey Harte and Tyrone need to evolve as well
Did they, aye? And how’s that working out for them?
Well they won an Ulster title and drew with Kerry in Croke Park. Injuries were a big issue for them as the season wore on and a lack of squad depth. Overall they're in a better place than Tyrone going into next season anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2019, 11:44:05 PM
Apparently Stephen O'Brien confirmed it as true on his Instagram. That is an absolute disgrace if true and should be looked into.

Did he? Aye. Must a been strong stuff as them Kerry lads were shite in the second half.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 13, 2019, 12:46:52 AM
1 Dublin (or Kerry)



2 Kerry (or Dublin)
3 Mayowestros (won NFL)
4 Tyrone
5 Donegal ( 3 pts in QF Group)
6 Ros.
7 to 10 in some order Cavan,  Cork, Meath, Galway
.

On what basis could you rank Tyrone above Donegal this year?

If its the fact they made a semi and Donegal only got three Super 8 points instead of Tyrone's eight, Tyrone came out of an easier group than Donegal. Add to that, they also lost, very convincingly, to them in Ulster.

Fact is, all those teams in that group (way) below Dublin can beat each other and are probably all going to lose by the guts of ten points to Dublin.

Donegal had the opportunity this summer to prove they were better than their 5th place ranking but failed.

Tyrone had the opportunity to prove they are the 2nd best team in the country but they failed.

It doesn't speak volumes for Dublin's competition when Kerry in transition under new management relying on young players are the only team left standing to stop them from winning 5 in a row.

Fifth or second based on what?

Donegal would have beaten Meath away. They would have made a much better fist of it against Mayo in  Ballybofey.

In a three game group, these things matter.

But yes, it’s all academic. Dublin are streets ahead of everyone and will be for a few years yet.

5th at best based on Donegal not reaching the last four since 2014.

Tyrone believed they were the 2nd best by reaching the final  last year in reality they needed to win yesterday to back up that claim.

Don’t see what last five years has to do with it. This is a young and coming Donegal team. Based on this season, there is little between the likes of ourselves, Tyrone and Kerry beyond the luck of the Super 8 draw. I would have little fear of playing either ( not saying we’d win - just go in 50/50). Mayo just have our number physically. Hopefully another year or two will change that.
Because any ranking system would be based on a few years and not just one summer.

Forget the earlier rounds of shadow boxing, round 3 was a knock out quarter final tie for Donegal the last two years and each game they lost by a bit to spare.

Maybe in a year or two Donegal might reach the All Ireland semi final again and I think in order for them to achieve that they will need a lot more out of the younger players and probably better game strategies will be required from Declan Bonner.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 13, 2019, 07:18:03 AM
Apparently Stephen O'Brien confirmed it as true on his Instagram. That is an absolute disgrace if true and should be looked into.

Bit of deflection away from Maurice Deegan, if there's one thing that should be investigated from Sunday it's not water bottles, it's the man in the middle yet again getting the job done for Kerry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 13, 2019, 07:24:51 AM
That water bottle story has got to be nonsense
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 13, 2019, 07:29:05 AM
If Tyrone were lacing water bottles I don't know why they didn't target the man doing all the damage for Kerry, Maurice Deegan. Sounds like a yerra story to deflect away from the referee.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 07:47:18 AM
Apparently Stephen O'Brien confirmed it as true on his Instagram. That is an absolute disgrace if true and should be looked into.

Aye couldn't be up to then Tyrone heures. Poisoning the enemy. People will believe anything if it's a negative story about Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 13, 2019, 07:53:18 AM
If Tyrone were lacing water bottles I don't know why they didn't target the man doing all the damage for Kerry, Maurice Deegan. Sounds like a yerra story to deflect away from the referee.
Maurice would have smiled it off before noticing a free 50 metres away.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2019, 08:03:59 AM
How can you say that Tyrone never got close in the final? This is a team that regularly hammers teams by 10-20 points and there was 4 in it with 5 minutes to go with Tyrone launching balls into the danger area and missing the target.  This horse shit of Dublin winning pulling up is a fanciful notion that I'd say the Dublin players themselves would strongly agree with.  Tyrone are around 2nd-3rd in the Country on championship form. Some people struggle to swallow this fact. Mayo are gone-Donegal aren't there yet and Tyrone Kerry will battle it out over the next few years with the kick of a ball between them.

Dublin cruised through the 2nd half. When Tyrone scored the penalty after the red card Dublin upped the tempo of their game and outscored them for the rest if the game. After the pen Dublin moved Howard back and he caught the last high ball put in.
Donegal realised defensive tactics won't win the big games anymore. Mickey Harte and Tyrone need to evolve as well
Did they, aye? And how’s that working out for them?
Well they won an Ulster title and drew with Kerry in Croke Park. Injuries were a big issue for them as the season wore on and a lack of squad depth. Overall they're in a better place than Tyrone going into next season anyway
They won Ulster last year too.
You are implying that there has been a radical change in Donegal due to them adopting new tactics. That’s bullshit, there hasn’t been. They can’t even get beyond the Super 8s.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 13, 2019, 08:13:05 AM
Apparently Stephen O'Brien confirmed it as true on his Instagram. That is an absolute disgrace if true and should be looked into.

Did he? Aye. Must a been strong stuff as them Kerry lads were shite in the second half.

I don’t see anything on his IG that even mentions it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2019, 08:33:49 AM
If Tyrone were lacing water bottles I don't know why they didn't target the man doing all the damage for Kerry, Maurice Deegan. Sounds like a yerra story to deflect away from the referee.

Angelo if Maurice deegan goes missing I know who my number one suspect would be >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 13, 2019, 09:37:25 AM
Watched the full game last night and hand on heart don't think deegan rode us. Maybe 2 softish frees for Kerry early second half but only look soft when u see replay.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: clarshack on August 13, 2019, 09:41:13 AM
Watched the full game last night and hand on heart don't think deegan rode us. Maybe 2 softish frees for Kerry early second half but only look soft when u see replay.

Deegan didn't help but keeping PH on for the full game hurt Tyrone more.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 10:04:02 AM
That water bottle story has got to be nonsense

Them Kerry ones just can't handle that strong Rocwell stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 13, 2019, 10:24:00 AM
1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.

Tyrone would be ranked below Donegal, Dublin, Kerry given that they lost comprehensively to all three this season. The only teams you can rank them above in this list is Cork & Roscommon. Mayo would have more than likely beaten them had they met, they have shown repeatedly this decade that they can’t compete in Croke Park against good teams. On the basis of beating Tyrone well and drawing with Kerry you would have to rank Donegal above them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Taylor on August 13, 2019, 10:30:21 AM
1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.

Tyrone would be ranked below Donegal, Dublin, Kerry given that they lost comprehensively to all three this season. The only teams you can rank them above in this list is Cork & Roscommon. Mayo would have more than likely beaten them had they met, they have shown repeatedly this decade that they can’t compete in Croke Park against good teams. On the basis of beating Tyrone well and drawing with Kerry you would have to rank Donegal above them.

Bar one performance against a below par Donegal I can see zero evidence for rating Mayo above Tyrone this season
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 13, 2019, 10:34:39 AM
1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.

Tyrone would be ranked below Donegal, Dublin, Kerry given that they lost comprehensively to all three this season. The only teams you can rank them above in this list is Cork & Roscommon. Mayo would have more than likely beaten them had they met, they have shown repeatedly this decade that they can’t compete in Croke Park against good teams. On the basis of beating Tyrone well and drawing with Kerry you would have to rank Donegal above them.

Bar one performance against a below par Donegal I can see zero evidence for rating Mayo above Tyrone this season

Fair enough. It's tough to make the case for Tyrone beating them as well though, given how their season went.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Whishtup on August 13, 2019, 11:28:19 AM
1. Dublin
2. Tyrone/Kerry
3. Mayo
4. Cork/Donegal/Roscommon

That's how it is.

Tyrone would be ranked below Donegal, Dublin, Kerry given that they lost comprehensively to all three this season. The only teams you can rank them above in this list is Cork & Roscommon. Mayo would have more than likely beaten them had they met, they have shown repeatedly this decade that they can’t compete in Croke Park against good teams. On the basis of beating Tyrone well and drawing with Kerry you would have to rank Donegal above them.

Bar one performance against a below par Donegal I can see zero evidence for rating Mayo above Tyrone this season

Fair enough. It's tough to make the case for Tyrone beating them as well though, given how their season went.

Donegal got bate by an average Mayo team with injuries and had only one key player out. Not convinced that they would bate Tyrone in Super 8's.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Bord na Mona man on August 13, 2019, 01:08:21 PM
Anyone hear about water bottles?
Interesting. In future, teams playing Tyrone should be wise enough to not drink the water bottle offered to them but to switch to the second bottle instead.
However, this move may already be anticipated by Tyrone and they'd have left the first one clean and poisoned the second bottle.

Basically, just don't drink out of a bottle with your girlfriend's phone number written on it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 13, 2019, 02:00:45 PM
Just read that in the last 11 years Tyrone have played Kerry/Mayo/Dublin 11 times in Championship and won zero of these games. How can they be above them then.

There may be a case for Tyrone being better than Donegal but then they beat them quite convincingly in the Championship so hard to say Tyrone aren't 5th in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Shamrock Shore on August 13, 2019, 02:06:20 PM
Christ.

Next thing we know Tyrone will be involved in some Novichok incident in the McKenna Cup.

Aside from the jokes if true then it should be the subject of an official investigation and proper action taken - although I am not sure if there is a prohibition on poisoning your opponent.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 13, 2019, 02:28:26 PM
Did Colm Cavanagh give a hint he's retiring with that tweet?

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 02:44:24 PM
Did Colm Cavanagh give a hint he's retiring with that tweet?

It would seem so wouldn't it. He has young kids and all now so you can't really blame him. There's more to life than football.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 13, 2019, 02:53:07 PM
Christ.

Next thing we know Tyrone will be involved in some Novichok incident in the McKenna Cup.

Aside from the jokes if true then it should be the subject of an official investigation and proper action taken - although I am not sure if there is a prohibition on poisoning your opponent.

How do we know it wasn't Novichok used at the weekend!!


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2019, 02:54:45 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 13, 2019, 02:58:47 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Some buck on t’interweb sent a WhatsApp message saying Tyrone gave poisoned water to Kerry’s during the game. Simple minded fools picked this up as gospel and spread it around.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 13, 2019, 02:59:28 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Quote
A good story from yesterday’s game. Mcamnee kept asking David clifford during the first half if he wanted a drink of water. He never pulled him or poked him but kept asking if he wanted a drink of water. Stephen o Neill came onto the field with two bottles. Gave one to the fella Foley was marking and gave Foley the other one. Foley puked his ring up at half time and obviously had to be hauled off. The F***ing Tyrone w*****s had dosed a couple of bottles and wanted to give them to the kerry lads. F***ing mad stuff.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 03:00:25 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Stephen o neill came on and gave Foley a Tyrone water bottle. Foley started being at half time. The accusation being that Tyrone poisoned the Kerry lads James Bond casino royale style.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LGYLe01oT6s

The fact that some people take it serious shows their obsession with pinning something on Tyrone knows no ends.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2019, 03:01:06 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Some buck on t’interweb sent a WhatsApp message saying Tyrone gave poisoned water to Kerry’s during the game. Simple minded fools picked this up as gospel and spread it around.

 ;D I would believe many things with underhand tactics these days however I think that may be bullshit lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: LooseCannon on August 13, 2019, 03:21:28 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Some buck on t’interweb sent a WhatsApp message saying Tyrone gave poisoned water to Kerry’s during the game. Simple minded fools picked this up as gospel and spread it around.

I hope that I’m not a “simple minded fool”. All I did was throw it out there.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 13, 2019, 03:23:26 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Quote
A good story from yesterday’s game. Mcamnee kept asking David clifford during the first half if he wanted a drink of water. He never pulled him or poked him but kept asking if he wanted a drink of water. Stephen o Neill came onto the field with two bottles. Gave one to the fella Foley was marking and gave Foley the other one. Foley puked his ring up at half time and obviously had to be hauled off. The F***ing Tyrone w*****s had dosed a couple of bottles and wanted to give them to the kerry lads. F***ing mad stuff.

As long as we all agree to keep this to ourselves lads, the Tyrone SFC will have a surprise winner this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 13, 2019, 03:31:17 PM
What would you expect from the scum that associate themselves with Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 03:33:27 PM
What would you expect from the scum that associate themselves with Tyrone.

Welcome to the board!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 13, 2019, 03:36:05 PM
There's been a real influx of intellectuals to the board  this last week or so ........ ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 13, 2019, 03:37:35 PM
What would you expect from the scum that associate themselves with Tyrone.

Has to be up there with best first post on the board!!!


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 03:46:14 PM
What would you expect from the scum that associate themselves with Tyrone.

Charisma is bursting out of you. Are you available for after dinner speeches?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 03:56:52 PM
There's been a real influx of intellectuals to the board  this last week or so ........ ;D ;D ;D

To add to the intelligent 20 permanent posters with a dozen users each. especially those who take the ball home when they not happy.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 13, 2019, 04:00:02 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Some buck on t’interweb sent a WhatsApp message saying Tyrone gave poisoned water to Kerry’s during the game. Simple minded fools picked this up as gospel and spread it around.

I hope that I’m not a “simple minded fool”. All I did was throw it out there.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Without any foundation? The internet is full of fools.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: LooseCannon on August 13, 2019, 04:02:16 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Some buck on t’interweb sent a WhatsApp message saying Tyrone gave poisoned water to Kerry’s during the game. Simple minded fools picked this up as gospel and spread it around.

I hope that I’m not a “simple minded fool”. All I did was throw it out there.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Without any foundation? The internet is full of fools.
I asked a question. I never said if I thought it was true or false. I thought that it was a free country, but feckit, must be Brexit…



😬😬
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 13, 2019, 04:06:16 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Some buck on t’interweb sent a WhatsApp message saying Tyrone gave poisoned water to Kerry’s during the game. Simple minded fools picked this up as gospel and spread it around.

I hope that I’m not a “simple minded fool”. All I did was throw it out there.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Without any foundation? The internet is full of fools.
I asked a question. I never said if I thought it was true or false. I thought that it was a free country, but feckit, must be Brexit…



😬😬

I’m sure people are well aware of what they are doing when they “put things out there” but each to their own.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 13, 2019, 04:10:05 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Some buck on t’interweb sent a WhatsApp message saying Tyrone gave poisoned water to Kerry’s during the game. Simple minded fools picked this up as gospel and spread it around.

I hope that I’m not a “simple minded fool”. All I did was throw it out there.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Without any foundation? The internet is full of fools.
I asked a question. I never said if I thought it was true or false. I thought that it was a free country, but feckit, must be Brexit…



😬😬

I’m sure people are well aware of what they are doing when they “put things out there” but each to their own.

When I got the whatsapp message I knew it would be a whole can of worms it had already been forwarded numerous times. . . none of the sites are going with it though I'd say unless they can get something on the record which would be nigh on impossible.

Crazy times we live in used to be you'd hear that kind of nonsense in the pub after the match by some eejit or lunatic nowadays it goes in a whatsapp message and can be around the world in a matter of hours!! I still don't think it's true btw but if it was . . .
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 13, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
Watched the full game last night and hand on heart don't think deegan rode us. Maybe 2 softish frees for Kerry early second half but only look soft when u see replay.

So what's your opinion on the team management?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 13, 2019, 04:47:16 PM
Watched the full game last night and hand on heart don't think deegan rode us. Maybe 2 softish frees for Kerry early second half but only look soft when u see replay.

So what's your opinion on the team management?

Oh jaysus don’t get him started.  :D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: LooseCannon on August 13, 2019, 05:34:15 PM
Can someone explain what the alleged water bottle incident was??

Some buck on t’interweb sent a WhatsApp message saying Tyrone gave poisoned water to Kerry’s during the game. Simple minded fools picked this up as gospel and spread it around.

I hope that I’m not a “simple minded fool”. All I did was throw it out there.🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Without any foundation? The internet is full of fools.
I asked a question. I never said if I thought it was true or false. I thought that it was a free country, but feckit, must be Brexit…



😬😬

I’m sure people are well aware of what they are doing when they “put things out there” but each to their own.

When I got the whatsapp message I knew it would be a whole can of worms it had already been forwarded numerous times. . . none of the sites are going with it though I'd say unless they can get something on the record which would be nigh on impossible.

Crazy times we live in used to be you'd hear that kind of nonsense in the pub after the match by some eejit or lunatic nowadays it goes in a whatsapp message and can be around the world in a matter of hours!! I still don't think it's true btw but if it was . . .

Neither do I, being honest. Thought that it might wind up a few.
Seems to have done the trick.🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2019, 05:42:30 PM
Stephen O'Neill has taken forward coaching to a new level if that story is actually true. Attempted poisoning of an opposition defender is a novel tactic when it comes to attacking coaching. It appeared to work though as Foley was poor on Sunday, if Tyrone had actually won the match then could you imagine the outcry. The only person who can debunk this is Foley himself, he knows what he tasted. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2019, 05:48:41 PM
if he did something like that he should be prosecuted however not for one second do I believe that nonsense lol. Say the guy was sick then what proves anyway that it was the water. Maybe he had something in him. It's one of the more ludicrous things I have heard of apparently happening on a football pitch ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 13, 2019, 06:00:12 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 06:14:07 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 13, 2019, 06:22:27 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 06:26:29 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.

Mickey Harte created a team void of responsibility and no matter how blatant or scummy a player's actions there was always Fegral to get them off.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.

Mickey Harte created a team void of responsibility and no matter how blatant or scummy a player's actions there was always Fegral to get them off.

Teams appealing bans is not unique to Tyrone, as I'm sure Kerry will show you in the next week.
Do you think your obsession with Tyrone is healthy?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 13, 2019, 06:29:14 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.

Mickey Harte created a team void of responsibility and no matter how blatant or scummy a player's actions there was always Fegral to get them off.

A Kerry player slapped a notebook out of a referees hand and got treated like a martyr, they had two players fail dope tests after national finals and are treated as upholders of the virtues of the game.

You could not make it up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: gameoftyrones on August 13, 2019, 06:30:22 PM
oh dear what next? drive by shootings
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: LooseCannon on August 13, 2019, 06:30:58 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.

Mickey Harte created a team void of responsibility and no matter how blatant or scummy a player's actions there was always Fegral to get them off.

A Kerry player slapped a notebook out of a referees hand and got treated like a martyr, they had two players fail dope tests after national finals and are treated as upholders of the virtues of the game.

You could not make it up.
Who’s the second one? BO’S and ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 13, 2019, 06:32:09 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.

Mickey Harte created a team void of responsibility and no matter how blatant or scummy a player's actions there was always Fegral to get them off.

Teams appealing bans is not unique to Tyrone, as I'm sure Kerry will show you in the next week.
Do you think your obsession with Tyrone is healthy?

Lock the thread sure. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2019, 06:35:55 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.

Mickey Harte created a team void of responsibility and no matter how blatant or scummy a player's actions there was always Fegral to get them off.

Teams appealing bans is not unique to Tyrone, as I'm sure Kerry will show you in the next week.
Do you think your obsession with Tyrone is healthy?

Lock the thread sure. ;D

On Peter Canavans right foot, I didn't lock the thread. I was at the match. I was fit to unlock it however when I came out, checked the phone and saw the ruckus it had caused here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: gameoftyrones on August 13, 2019, 06:36:08 PM
sorry lads, a new member here and that post was in response to poisongate. what is the general concensus about m hs reign
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 13, 2019, 06:52:22 PM
Pat Spillane is responsible for this, ever since he tried to devalue a great achievement for Tyrone with sour grapes in 2003, it has given ground for people and media pundits to attribute all sorts of unsubstantiated nonsense against Tyrone. It's a good thing we are very stoic in Tyrone.

Your hole. Tyrone scummy tactics have been there for more than 15 years but blame Pat Spillane. ::)

The amount of completely fabricated and unsubstantiated nonsense that hits the news with regard to Tyrone is off the charts. Spillane created a bogey man out of Tyrone in 2003 and it stuck, unjustly. When you consider some of the stuff Kerry have gotten away with over the years with a squeaky clean image in contrast.

Mickey Harte created a team void of responsibility and no matter how blatant or scummy a player's actions there was always Fegral to get them off.

A Kerry player slapped a notebook out of a referees hand and got treated like a martyr, they had two players fail dope tests after national finals and are treated as upholders of the virtues of the game.

You could not make it up.
Who’s the second one? BO’S and ?

Aidan O’Mahony
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 13, 2019, 06:58:18 PM
Interesting fact from an Indo article in which Tomas O'Se wonders about the hold Mickey Harte has over Tyrone football and whether it is good for the county......

In the 11 years since Tyrone last won Sam Maguire, they have played the other big three of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry on 11 occasions.

The fact that they have lost all 11 has raised questions of whether the issue is down to the strength of their panel or their tactical approach.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on August 13, 2019, 07:26:16 PM
MH has kept them at a level where they are still competing with the big counties. For a team who have lacked real scoring forwards (bar McShane this year), I'd say he's performing above expectations.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 13, 2019, 07:55:20 PM
MH has kept them at a level where they are still competing with the big counties. For a team who have lacked real scoring forwards (bar McShane this year), I'd say he's performing above expectations.

Might be on the same field competing but they have been beaten every time. Played 11 against Big 3 lost 11. Hardly competitive.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 13, 2019, 08:09:55 PM
Interesting fact from an Indo article in which Tomas O'Se wonders about the hold Mickey Harte has over Tyrone football and whether it is good for the county......

In the 11 years since Tyrone last won Sam Maguire, they have played the other big three of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry on 11 occasions.

The fact that they have lost all 11 has raised questions of whether the issue is down to the strength of their panel or their tactical approach.


9 occasions i count and 9 defeats. Dublin 2010,2011,2017,2018.  Mayo 2013,2016 and to Kerry 2012,2015,2019.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 13, 2019, 08:46:00 PM
Interesting fact from an Indo article in which Tomas O'Se wonders about the hold Mickey Harte has over Tyrone football and whether it is good for the county......

In the 11 years since Tyrone last won Sam Maguire, they have played the other big three of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry on 11 occasions.

The fact that they have lost all 11 has raised questions of whether the issue is down to the strength of their panel or their tactical approach.


9 occasions i count and 9 defeats. Dublin 2010,2011,2017,2018.  Mayo 2013,2016 and to Kerry 2012,2015,2019.


Played Dublin twice last year and once this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Gael85 on August 13, 2019, 08:49:17 PM
Interesting fact from an Indo article in which Tomas O'Se wonders about the hold Mickey Harte has over Tyrone football and whether it is good for the county......

In the 11 years since Tyrone last won Sam Maguire, they have played the other big three of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry on 11 occasions.

The fact that they have lost all 11 has raised questions of whether the issue is down to the strength of their panel or their tactical approach.


9 occasions i count and 9 defeats. Dublin 2010,2011,2017,2018.  Mayo 2013,2016 and to Kerry 2012,2015,2019.

Dublin beat Tyrone twice last year and this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 13, 2019, 08:58:37 PM
Interesting fact from an Indo article in which Tomas O'Se wonders about the hold Mickey Harte has over Tyrone football and whether it is good for the county......

In the 11 years since Tyrone last won Sam Maguire, they have played the other big three of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry on 11 occasions.

The fact that they have lost all 11 has raised questions of whether the issue is down to the strength of their panel or their tactical approach.


9 occasions i count and 9 defeats. Dublin 2010,2011,2017,2018.  Mayo 2013,2016 and to Kerry 2012,2015,2019.

Dublin beat Tyrone twice last year and this year.

That damn round robin group stage makes one forget games. Thanks i stand corrected.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Christmas Lights on August 13, 2019, 10:35:49 PM
Video circulating of Stephen O'Neill filling the water bottles on sunday


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 13, 2019, 10:40:59 PM
Video circulating of Stephen O'Neill filling the water bottles on sunday



lol. Actually looks a bit like him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 14, 2019, 01:03:26 AM
Interesting fact from an Indo article in which Tomas O'Se wonders about the hold Mickey Harte has over Tyrone football and whether it is good for the county......

In the 11 years since Tyrone last won Sam Maguire, they have played the other big three of Dublin, Mayo and Kerry on 11 occasions.

The fact that they have lost all 11 has raised questions of whether the issue is down to the strength of their panel or their tactical approach.


Hardly matter to some in Tyrone. We'll get the usual Mickey knows best blah blah blah. At least there appears to be a breaking of the ranks. S Cavanagh on the SG and P McConnell in a local paper saying there needs to be a change.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Jim Bob on August 14, 2019, 07:36:34 AM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2019, 08:06:02 AM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.

I think he's on about when Brennan thought he was off when a 4 was held up on the board, but as it turned out it was the Kerry 4. It was quickly rectified and no time was lost because of it. Dark arts me hole.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Hound on August 14, 2019, 08:19:20 AM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.

I think he's on about when McKernan thought he was off when a 4 was held up on the board, but as it turned out it was the Kerry 4. It was quickly rectified and no time was lost because of it. Dark arts me hole.
O'Se's outdone himself today, what a plonker!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Delegater on August 14, 2019, 08:27:05 AM
Better team won. Won it on the line if truth be told.

Kerry fans are animals, no one made that up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 14, 2019, 09:23:00 AM
In fairness to O'Shea the column writers don't make up the headlines and it was a very small piece of the story.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: WT4E on August 14, 2019, 09:46:22 AM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.

Weird weird Article.

Also went on to say about tommy walsh hitting morgan going u for 45 but sure that was just a rush of bllod to the head and tommy wouldnt have intended it... followed by unusually Morgan never gave him any sledging on the way back because Tyrone where beat!

How do these lads get paid for this shit
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2019, 10:11:24 AM
Better team won. Won it on the line if truth be told.

Kerry fans are animals, no one made that up.

Anyone see the Kerry goon in 307 roaring and shaking his fist in a young girls face when O Brien put the ball in the Tyrone net? Induced some sort of panic attack in the wee girl and she has to be brought out, even his wife/girlfriend was telling him to stop.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 10:17:26 AM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.

Weird weird Article.

Also went on to say about tommy walsh hitting morgan going u for 45 but sure that was just a rush of bllod to the head and tommy wouldnt have intended it... followed by unusually Morgan never gave him any sledging on the way back because Tyrone where beat!

How do these lads get paid for this shit

You can only laugh at this. Kerry player hits a tyrone player off the ball but its fine as it was "a rush of blood to the head". Tyrone player does anything and they are masters of the dark arts. At least everyone outside Kerry now know what the Kerry players are like.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 14, 2019, 10:19:51 AM
In fairness to O'Shea the column writers don't make up the headlines and it was a very small piece of the story.

Aye, we need to be fair to O’Se for his impartial analysis. Summary: a player thinks the number 4 up means he’s coming off, realises it’s not him so stays on = dark arts. Player pushes, shoves, trips and shouts into the face of a player coming up to take a free = a rush of blood to the head.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: clarshack on August 14, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
Better team won. Won it on the line if truth be told.

Kerry fans are animals, no one made that up.

Anyone see the Kerry goon in 307 roaring and shaking his fist in a young girls face when O Brien put the ball in the Tyrone net? Induced some sort of panic attack in the wee girl and she has to be brought out, even his wife/girlfriend was telling him to stop.

yes, the kerry fans in the lower cusack on sunday were utter scumbags.
Paidi O'Shea wasn't wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 14, 2019, 10:25:48 AM
Better team won. Won it on the line if truth be told.

Kerry fans are animals, no one made that up.

Anyone see the Kerry goon in 307 roaring and shaking his fist in a young girls face when O Brien put the ball in the Tyrone net? Induced some sort of panic attack in the wee girl and she has to be brought out, even his wife/girlfriend was telling him to stop.

There are scumbags from every county bar none.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: clarshack on August 14, 2019, 10:31:48 AM
Better team won. Won it on the line if truth be told.

Kerry fans are animals, no one made that up.

Anyone see the Kerry goon in 307 roaring and shaking his fist in a young girls face when O Brien put the ball in the Tyrone net? Induced some sort of panic attack in the wee girl and she has to be brought out, even his wife/girlfriend was telling him to stop.

There are scumbags from every county bar none.

Kerry had a right few of them on sunday in section 307, and these are people who were likely season ticket holders.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Tyrdub on August 14, 2019, 04:05:59 PM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.

Did anyone else notice Kerry players, on 2 separate occasions, throwing away Tyrone players' gumshields? One was Peter Harte's, the other was Cathal McShanes
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2019, 04:13:21 PM
gavin crowley hit his own man on the back of the head and told him to go down holding his head lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 14, 2019, 04:17:17 PM
Peter Harte at 68:17
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: delgany on August 14, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.

Did anyone else notice Kerry players, on 2 separate occasions, throwing away Tyrone players' gumshields? One was Peter Harte's, the other was Cathal McShanes

Saw  full back throw Cat's behind the Davin end goals , when he was down for injury break !
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: laceer on August 14, 2019, 04:20:43 PM
Surely not? Kerry would never stoop so low. Has to be a way to blame Tyrone for tricking those angelic Kerrymen.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 14, 2019, 04:23:48 PM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.

Did anyone else notice Kerry players, on 2 separate occasions, throwing away Tyrone players' gumshields? One was Peter Harte's, the other was Cathal McShanes
Sluddens gumshield seemed to go missing the time he got booked for being wrestled to the ground too
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 04:45:18 PM
Dsrrsgh o Shea column in today’s IT entitled ‘Tyrone’s focus on dark arts only hurt themselves’ and then goes on to to give one very dodgy example about a tyrone player supposedly pretending to be subbed then wasn’t.  That was it!!! Crap article.

Weird weird Article.

Also went on to say about tommy walsh hitting morgan going u for 45 but sure that was just a rush of bllod to the head and tommy wouldnt have intended it... followed by unusually Morgan never gave him any sledging on the way back because Tyrone where beat!

How do these lads get paid for this shit

You can only laugh at this. Kerry player hits a tyrone player off the ball but its fine as it was "a rush of blood to the head". Tyrone player does anything and they are masters of the dark arts. At least everyone outside Kerry now know what the Kerry players are like.

I never thought Dara was the worst in the world but he's talking pure shite, and peddling that nonsense narrative crap.
I'll take it as a compliment as obviously he thinks he needs to keep it up as we will be back. But this narrative is effecting things for us, as Deegan aptly demonstrated on Sunday.
We need a coordinated effort to push back in the media similar to what Kerry have been at for decades.

In saying all that tho this ethylene glycol concoction cooked up in the lab at the dark Arts academy is way below the belt. Everybody knows antifreeze is poisonous to animals after al,l so it was never gonna mix well with Kerry people
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: square_ball on August 14, 2019, 04:54:28 PM
gavin crowley hit his own man on the back of the head and told him to go down holding his head lol.

Noticed that too. Literally pushed his own player to the ground and immediately signalled to the ref it was a head injury.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2019, 05:05:13 PM
Yeah I don't know why there hasn't been more furore about this. It was very cynical but looked absolutely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 14, 2019, 05:42:33 PM
gavin crowley hit his own man on the back of the head and told him to go down holding his head lol.

Noticed that too. Literally pushed his own player to the ground and immediately signalled to the ref it was a head injury.
Had a laugh at that one alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 14, 2019, 08:49:03 PM
gavin crowley hit his own man on the back of the head and told him to go down holding his head lol.

Noticed that too. Literally pushed his own player to the ground and immediately signalled to the ref it was a head injury.

Do head injuries only occur when an opposition player hits you?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: square_ball on August 14, 2019, 08:58:17 PM
gavin crowley hit his own man on the back of the head and told him to go down holding his head lol.

Noticed that too. Literally pushed his own player to the ground and immediately signalled to the ref it was a head injury.

Do head injuries only occur when an opposition player hits you?

Or the fact there was no head injury? Dark arts as Darragh calls it I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: gallsman on August 14, 2019, 09:05:48 PM
Pretty certain that incident was moments after McShane had a free given against him for the man coming diving into and over his back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 14, 2019, 10:08:42 PM
Pretty certain that incident was moments after McShane had a free given against him for the man coming diving into and over his back.

I still find that hilarious. One of the most ridiculous frees ever given.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 14, 2019, 10:10:27 PM
G lads. You not taking this defeat well, but time to move on i think.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 14, 2019, 10:17:11 PM
G lads. You not taking this defeat well, but time to move on i think.

We're not, it's 4 years since we have taken a shafting from a referee like that.

Between Cormac Reilly in 2014 and Deegan in 2015 and 2019 - Kerry sure know how to call in favours from referees in semi finals. If you were the cynical type you'd almost think there is some agenda to get Kerry to a final every year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 14, 2019, 11:31:13 PM
Stop embarrassing yereselves further lads.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: screenexile on August 14, 2019, 11:32:04 PM
G lads. You not taking this defeat well, but time to move on i think.

We're not, it's 4 years since we have taken a shafting from a referee like that.

Between Cormac Reilly in 2014 and Deegan in 2015 and 2019 - Kerry sure know how to call in favours from referees in semi finals. If you were the cynical type you'd almost think there is some agenda to get Kerry to a final every year.

This is as out there as the poisoning thing only nobody actually believes that... you’ve lost the plot there boss!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2019, 11:44:42 PM
Thats right dreamt it up lads

https://twitter.com/JoeFoley76/status/1161592442346508288?s=08
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 12:00:19 AM
G lads. You not taking this defeat well, but time to move on i think.

We're not, it's 4 years since we have taken a shafting from a referee like that.

Between Cormac Reilly in 2014 and Deegan in 2015 and 2019 - Kerry sure know how to call in favours from referees in semi finals. If you were the cynical type you'd almost think there is some agenda to get Kerry to a final every year.

This is as out there as the poisoning thing only nobody actually believes that... you’ve lost the plot there boss!!

It's nothing of the sort, anyone who watched those games and did so objectively could not but see that a certain county seems to have all the bad decisions break their way. Is it just coincidence?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 15, 2019, 07:08:44 AM
Angelo the referee wasn’t great for you but you beat yourselves. That game was there for the taking. What will you ever learn from it if all you do is blame the ref??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 07:28:15 AM
Angelo the referee wasn’t great for you but you beat yourselves. That game was there for the taking. What will you ever learn from it if all you do is blame the ref??

I fully agree that we beat ourselves.

It still doesn't cancel out the fact that Deegan was instrumental in Kerry turning that game around and winning it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 15, 2019, 07:55:48 AM
Some of you Tyrone Lads are a fuckin embarrassment. I didn't hear yous complaining after last year's semi final when Nolan gave us everything against Monaghan. And if referee's are against us, maybe is because we have become the most hated county in Ireland? The  whole harte/ RTE nonsense just feeds the anti Tyrone narrative so we deserve all we get at the minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 08:55:28 AM
Some of you Tyrone Lads are a fuckin embarrassment. I didn't hear yous complaining after last year's semi final when Nolan gave us everything against Monaghan. And if referee's are against us, maybe is because we have become the most hated county in Ireland? The  whole harte/ RTE nonsense just feeds the anti Tyrone narrative so we deserve all we get at the minute.

Says the guy with the most tiresome, toxic and downright nasty anti-Harte narrative.

The refereeing performance was an absolute disgrace on Sunday, saying otherwise is talking out of their arse and your attempts to downplay the impact of the game is just exceeding your own agenda once again. It's nothing new with Maurice Deegan and Kerry and surely Deegan should have big questions to answer to the GAA in light of the Peter Harte footage on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 15, 2019, 09:12:21 AM
I'm sure the gaa are more than pleased that Tyrone are out. Promotion for deegan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 15, 2019, 09:36:03 AM
I'm sure the gaa are more than pleased that Tyrone are out. Promotion for deegan.


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 15, 2019, 10:34:06 AM
Some Tyrones really embarrassing themselves here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 10:58:59 AM
Some Tyrones really embarrassing themselves here.

Highlighting clear fouls is not embarrassing in the slightest. What is embarrassing is kerry people in the media talking about dark arts in a game that they won and in a game that they were the main offenders.

It shouldn't be too much to ask for a level playing field in terms of ref decisions.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 15, 2019, 11:07:23 AM
Just stop.
It wasn't Deegan who kicked silly wides while the game was still in balance during the 2nd half.
Even if Kerry did  "out dirty trick" ye there won't be much sympathy from the Counties who experienced Tyrone's treatment over the years.
Just wry ironic smiles.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: bigtogs on August 15, 2019, 11:27:04 AM
FFS i wanted My county to win as much as the last man such a whinging match about getting treatment, Meyler done the same thing on Sean Ó.Se the full game,happens in every game.... we beat ourselves by not showing up in the second half!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Estimator on August 15, 2019, 12:27:22 PM
FFS i wanted My county to win as much as the last man such a whinging match about getting treatment, Meyler done the same thing on Sean Ó.Se the full game,happens in every game.... we beat ourselves by not showing up in the second half!!

I'm sure Harte takes more abuse in club football week in week out than he did in that game against Kerry. Watching it live you could see the thing unfold. In fairness, at the time, I thought Deegan would get involved (not to give out a card but have a word). When that didn't happen it was up to Harte to stand up for himself.  He didnt. Harte continues to jog forward allowing O'Sullivan to keep pushing him back. At no point did he give O'Sullivan something to think about.. complete change of direction, 10/15yrd sprint, etc.. Harte is clearly more physically imposing than O'Sullivan, yet he allowed the smaller man to bully him all day.
Also where was Harte's teammate's? If this was happening to a Tyrone player in the noughties, it's guaranteed he would be softened in the next tackle or the next time he was in possession, (not with a dirty punch) but Gormley, Hughes, McMahon would ensure that sort of behaviour wouldn't go unpunished.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2019, 12:35:13 PM
FFS i wanted My county to win as much as the last man such a whinging match about getting treatment, Meyler done the same thing on Sean Ó.Se the full game,happens in every game.... we beat ourselves by not showing up in the second half!!

I'm sure Harte takes more abuse in club football week in week out than he did in that game against Kerry. Watching it live you could see the thing unfold. In fairness, at the time, I thought Deegan would get involved (not to give out a card but have a word). When that didn't happen it was up to Harte to stand up for himself.  He didnt. Harte continues to jog forward allowing O'Sullivan to keep pushing him back. At no point did he give O'Sullivan something to think about.. complete change of direction, 10/15yrd sprint, etc.. Harte is clearly more physically imposing than O'Sullivan, yet he allowed the smaller man to bully him all day.
Also where was Harte's teammate's? If this was happening to a Tyrone player in the noughties, it's guaranteed he would be softened in the next tackle or the next time he was in possession, (not with a dirty punch) but Gormley, Hughes, McMahon would ensure that sort of behaviour wouldn't go unpunished.

Thought the same myself watching it back. The tactic seemed to be to keep running into o Sullivan to try to garner sympathy from the referee. It wasn't coming, he should have ran straight through him. Imagine horse or gormley back in the day. O Sullivan wouldn't have got away with it.

Noticed a great moment from mcshane near the end of the first half. Caught the ball and before turning to score he has the hand up in foley/osullivans(?) chest pushing him away before he got on him. No nonsense. Proper order.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 15, 2019, 12:41:28 PM
Deegan did all he could to keep Tyrone in the game despite them being bang average, the corner back should have been sent off for that reckless high tackle on the Kerry goalkeeper but Deegan again helped Tyrone here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2019, 12:46:19 PM
Deegan did all he could to keep Tyrone in the game despite them being bang average, the corner back should have been sent off for that reckless high tackle on the Kerry goalkeeper but Deegan again helped Tyrone here.

A high tackle is a yellow card, not a red. Back to school!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 15, 2019, 12:51:30 PM
Deegan did all he could to keep Tyrone in the game despite them being bang average, the corner back should have been sent off for that reckless high tackle on the Kerry goalkeeper but Deegan again helped Tyrone here.

A high tackle is a yellow card, not a red. Back to school!

All referees were advised to issue red cards for high reckless tackles this year,  back to school for you more like, there is no lengths Tymonies go to convince themselves they are still relevant.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2019, 01:01:00 PM
Deegan did all he could to keep Tyrone in the game despite them being bang average, the corner back should have been sent off for that reckless high tackle on the Kerry goalkeeper but Deegan again helped Tyrone here.

A high tackle is a yellow card, not a red. Back to school!

All referees were advised to issue red cards for high reckless tackles this year,  back to school for you more like, there is no lengths Tymonies go to convince themselves they are still relevant.

The referees must have missed the memo then, didn't see one red card for a high tackle all year.
Not sure what the second part of your statement refers to to be honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone exile on August 15, 2019, 01:04:03 PM
Deegan did all he could to keep Tyrone in the game despite them being bang average, the corner back should have been sent off for that reckless high tackle on the Kerry goalkeeper but Deegan again helped Tyrone here.

A high tackle is a yellow card, not a red. Back to school!

All referees were advised to issue red cards for high reckless tackles this year,  back to school for you more like, there is no lengths Tymonies go to convince themselves they are still relevant.

How many red cards have been shown for high tackles this year?
Still relevant? Consistently making the semi finals of the All Ireland means there's not much convincing we need to do.
 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 15, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
Deegan did all he could to keep Tyrone in the game despite them being bang average, the corner back should have been sent off for that reckless high tackle on the Kerry goalkeeper but Deegan again helped Tyrone here.

A high tackle is a yellow card, not a red. Back to school!

All referees were advised to issue red cards for high reckless tackles this year,  back to school for you more like, there is no lengths Tymonies go to convince themselves they are still relevant.

How many red cards have been shown for high tackles this year?
Still relevant? Consistently making the semi finals of the All Ireland means there's not much convincing we need to do.

If that's the county's ambition - fair play.  You ain't going win it any time soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
Just stop.
It wasn't Deegan who kicked silly wides while the game was still in balance during the 2nd half.
Even if Kerry did  "out dirty trick" ye there won't be much sympathy from the Counties who experienced Tyrone's treatment over the years.
Just wry ironic smiles.

We know Deegan didn't hit bad wides or misplace passes but we do know he ignored persistent off the ball fouling of Peter Harte that he was fully aware of and used guesswork then to incorrectly penalise Tyrone on numerous occasions, particularly the 2nd half.

I think that certainly needs to be discussed and highlighted. It's not the first time we suffered under Deegan against the same opposition. There are refereeing mistakes but the video with Harte there wasn't a mistake it was a conscious decision to ignore the rules.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: haranguerer on August 15, 2019, 01:52:49 PM
Deegan cost Tyrone the game. Say what you want re what Tyrone should have done better, and always likely to a dodgy decision or two, but I watched the game again and it was about a 6 point swing directly attributable to very bad decisions from Deegan. Its as bad a one-sided (in that you'll see refs just being bad for both teams) reffin performance as I've seen. Tyrone did well to keep their cool imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: WT4E on August 15, 2019, 02:04:02 PM
What I found strange was the fact that his decisions seem to take a nose dive towards favouring Kerry directly after half time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 15, 2019, 02:08:13 PM
He saved you from painting sheep and getting hammered by Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rudi on August 15, 2019, 02:30:18 PM
Watched this game as a neutral, no great love for either team. Felt Deggan gave Kerry some ridiculously soft frees, particularly after half time, Tyrone seemed to have to work harder for theirs. Tyrone should have had a player send off for a high tackle on goal keeper, they also shit the nest a bit in front of goal, Peter Harte offered nothing which was a huge surprise. Darragh O Se's article in the times was total Billix, Tyone do wrong its thuggery,  Kerry do wrong its spur of the moment. Kerry are cynical dirty bistard team too Darragh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2019, 02:48:09 PM
He saved you from painting sheep and getting hammered by Dublin.

Nothing, nothing like the buzz in the run up to an all Ireland final. You must have forgotten what it's like it's been that long.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Hound on August 15, 2019, 02:53:50 PM
I roll my eyes up to heaven when people come on the gaaboard asking for D O'Se's article to be copied and pasted. You're missing nothing! He is useless. Tomas is a decent analyst, but Daragh is awful. The only time his article is of any interest is when he tells a story about Paidi, which he does regularly enough as he knows he's nothing else of value to give. And of course half the stuff in those stories are pure lies, but they're still entertaining stories (sometimes).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 15, 2019, 03:01:26 PM
Deegan did all he could to keep Tyrone in the game despite them being bang average, the corner back should have been sent off for that reckless high tackle on the Kerry goalkeeper but Deegan again helped Tyrone here.

A high tackle is a yellow card, not a red. Back to school!

I think this is a daft rule as there are some high tackles which are a lot worse than others. Maybe high tackles should be a yellow minimum
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: From the Bunker on August 15, 2019, 03:06:55 PM
Watched this game as a neutral, no great love for either team. Felt Deggan gave Kerry some ridiculously soft frees, particularly after half time, Tyrone seemed to have to work harder for theirs. Tyrone should have had a player send off for a high tackle on goal keeper, they also shit the nest a bit in front of goal, Peter Harte offered nothing which was a huge surprise. Darragh O Se's article in the times was total Billix, Tyone do wrong its thuggery,  Kerry do wrong its spur of the moment. Kerry are cynical dirty bistard team too Darragh.

Agree with all of that! No great love for both teams. Problem for Tyrone is they have a name the last decade or so that they have done little to shake. Harte media ban also leaves them more isolated.

Unlike many I don't see a county like Kerry with a multitude of All Ireland titles as the saviours of the great game. But we will be sold this pup from Liston, Spillane, O'Se x 3, Gooch, Fitzmaurice, Donaghy over the next 10 days or so.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 15, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
He saved you from painting sheep and getting hammered by Dublin.

Nothing, nothing like the buzz in the run up to an all Ireland final. You must have forgotten what it's like it's been that long.

You won't be buzzing anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blanketattack on August 15, 2019, 03:48:12 PM
Deegan cost Tyrone the game. Say what you want re what Tyrone should have done better, and always likely to a dodgy decision or two, but I watched the game again and it was about a 6 point swing directly attributable to very bad decisions from Deegan. Its as bad a one-sided (in that you'll see refs just being bad for both teams) reffin performance as I've seen. Tyrone did well to keep their cool imo.

Deegan also cost Kerry. At least 5 times in the first half he raised his hand to indicate advantage for Kerry but a few seconds later when Kerry lost possession he didn't bring it back, yet when McShane went through for the missed goal, he brought it back for a free. That's a 6 point swing there. He also failed to send-off Brennan for a stone wall red card challenge.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 04:43:27 PM
Deegan cost Tyrone the game. Say what you want re what Tyrone should have done better, and always likely to a dodgy decision or two, but I watched the game again and it was about a 6 point swing directly attributable to very bad decisions from Deegan. Its as bad a one-sided (in that you'll see refs just being bad for both teams) reffin performance as I've seen. Tyrone did well to keep their cool imo.

Deegan also cost Kerry. At least 5 times in the first half he raised his hand to indicate advantage for Kerry but a few seconds later when Kerry lost possession he didn't bring it back, yet when McShane went through for the missed goal, he brought it back for a free. That's a 6 point swing there. He also failed to send-off Brennan for a stone wall red card challenge.

Absolute nonsense. He gave advantage to Kerry oodles of time in the game for nothing tackles. He played advantage for the free he gave against McGeary on O'Brien and pulled the play back when O'Brien lost the ball. You don't seem to understand the advantage rule as you only have a certain amount of time to play the ball. One of this instances you refer to in the first half had O'Brien get a flimsy enough advantage call around the 45 yard line and ended up running 30 yards ahead before running into a cul de sac and losing the ball. That's the advantage gone. McShane ran about 10 yards after Foley dragged him round the shoulders and missed, the pull back on McShane allowed Moran to get back and pressure the shot.

He was watching Peter Harte get persistently off the ball for 30 seconds, no advantage, no free, no action taken. It's hard to square a referee ignore blatant and persistent fouling with not calling back very soft fouls after significant time to develop the play. I take it you might have an agenda at play here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blanketattack on August 15, 2019, 05:01:29 PM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 15, 2019, 05:07:24 PM
This "Angelo" character is the new Syferus ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: omaghjoe on August 15, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.

Aye... ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 15, 2019, 05:22:15 PM
This "Angelo" character is the new Syferus ::)

Syf's nemesis Il Bomber Destro you mean.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 15, 2019, 05:23:42 PM
When all is said and done, now that the game is done and dusted wasn't it fantastic that Tiernans hair made it through the game without getting ruffled, let's all be grateful for that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: square_ball on August 15, 2019, 05:28:21 PM
When all is said and done, now that the game is done and dusted wasn't it fantastic that Tiernans hair made it through the game without getting ruffled, let's all be grateful for that.

2015 wants its joke back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 15, 2019, 05:36:01 PM
His performances are a joke every year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 05:45:07 PM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.

You're talking out of your arse. Go back and watch the game and report on what happened in the match, not what happened in your vivid imagination. Kerry had numerous frees pulled back when there was no advantage, they lost the advantage numerous when soft fouls were called outside the 45 yard line and they ran the ball into trouble after.

They were getting their frees miles handier than Tyrone were. O'Shea was the player who was conning the referee with Meyler. He got one free where he grabbed Meyler's outstretched hand and threw himself to ground, it was ridiculous, it looked ridiculous, basic physics would have told you that O'Shea was falling in the wrong direction to be fouled but Deegan went for it straight away. I was in 333 in the Hogan and I could tell from that far away there was no way that could be a free.

There's no doubt Tyrone will be kicking themselves with the misses and mistakes they made. They probably weren't good enough to win but neither would Kerry have been good enough to win that only for Maurice Deegan.

Are you a Kerry man yourself or just the Colm O'Rourke type wannabe one?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 15, 2019, 06:21:06 PM
He saved you from painting sheep and getting hammered by Dublin.

Nothing, nothing like the buzz in the run up to an all Ireland final. You must have forgotten what it's like it's been that long.

You won't be buzzing anytime soon.

I'll probably have buzzed several times before you ever will again.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2019, 06:34:30 PM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.

You're talking out of your arse. Go back and watch the game and report on what happened in the match, not what happened in your vivid imagination. Kerry had numerous frees pulled back when there was no advantage, they lost the advantage numerous when soft fouls were called outside the 45 yard line and they ran the ball into trouble after.

They were getting their frees miles handier than Tyrone were. O'Shea was the player who was conning the referee with Meyler. He got one free where he grabbed Meyler's outstretched hand and threw himself to ground, it was ridiculous, it looked ridiculous, basic physics would have told you that O'Shea was falling in the wrong direction to be fouled but Deegan went for it straight away. I was in 333 in the Hogan and I could tell from that far away there was no way that could be a free.

There's no doubt Tyrone will be kicking themselves with the misses and mistakes they made. They probably weren't good enough to win but neither would Kerry have been good enough to win that only for Maurice Deegan.

Are you a Kerry man yourself or just the Colm O'Rourke type wannabe one?

Of course he is, dyed-in-the-wool, yerra.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: square_ball on August 15, 2019, 07:38:12 PM
His performances are a joke every year

Registered 13th August. 8 posts so far and all 8 posts about Tyrone. Good man 👍
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blanketattack on August 15, 2019, 09:14:15 PM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.

You're talking out of your arse. Go back and watch the game and report on what happened in the match, not what happened in your vivid imagination. Kerry had numerous frees pulled back when there was no advantage, they lost the advantage numerous when soft fouls were called outside the 45 yard line and they ran the ball into trouble after.

They were getting their frees miles handier than Tyrone were. O'Shea was the player who was conning the referee with Meyler. He got one free where he grabbed Meyler's outstretched hand and threw himself to ground, it was ridiculous, it looked ridiculous, basic physics would have told you that O'Shea was falling in the wrong direction to be fouled but Deegan went for it straight away. I was in 333 in the Hogan and I could tell from that far away there was no way that could be a free.

There's no doubt Tyrone will be kicking themselves with the misses and mistakes they made. They probably weren't good enough to win but neither would Kerry have been good enough to win that only for Maurice Deegan.

Are you a Kerry man yourself or just the Colm O'Rourke type wannabe one?

Giving out about O'Shea throwing himself to the ground? Really? After O'Shea pushes Donnelly in the chest, Donnelly throws himself to the ground, clutching his head.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 15, 2019, 09:18:39 PM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.

You're talking out of your arse. Go back and watch the game and report on what happened in the match, not what happened in your vivid imagination. Kerry had numerous frees pulled back when there was no advantage, they lost the advantage numerous when soft fouls were called outside the 45 yard line and they ran the ball into trouble after.

They were getting their frees miles handier than Tyrone were. O'Shea was the player who was conning the referee with Meyler. He got one free where he grabbed Meyler's outstretched hand and threw himself to ground, it was ridiculous, it looked ridiculous, basic physics would have told you that O'Shea was falling in the wrong direction to be fouled but Deegan went for it straight away. I was in 333 in the Hogan and I could tell from that far away there was no way that could be a free.

There's no doubt Tyrone will be kicking themselves with the misses and mistakes they made. They probably weren't good enough to win but neither would Kerry have been good enough to win that only for Maurice Deegan.

Are you a Kerry man yourself or just the Colm O'Rourke type wannabe one?

Giving out about O'Shea throwing himself to the ground? Really? After O'Shea pushes Donnelly in the chest, Donnelly throws himself to the ground, clutching his head.

What it again. Was to his neck/chin not his head.

Ironic that a kerry player hit his own player a slap on the head and signalled to the ref for a head injury
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 09:33:12 PM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.

You're talking out of your arse. Go back and watch the game and report on what happened in the match, not what happened in your vivid imagination. Kerry had numerous frees pulled back when there was no advantage, they lost the advantage numerous when soft fouls were called outside the 45 yard line and they ran the ball into trouble after.

They were getting their frees miles handier than Tyrone were. O'Shea was the player who was conning the referee with Meyler. He got one free where he grabbed Meyler's outstretched hand and threw himself to ground, it was ridiculous, it looked ridiculous, basic physics would have told you that O'Shea was falling in the wrong direction to be fouled but Deegan went for it straight away. I was in 333 in the Hogan and I could tell from that far away there was no way that could be a free.

There's no doubt Tyrone will be kicking themselves with the misses and mistakes they made. They probably weren't good enough to win but neither would Kerry have been good enough to win that only for Maurice Deegan.

Are you a Kerry man yourself or just the Colm O'Rourke type wannabe one?

Giving out about O'Shea throwing himself to the ground? Really? After O'Shea pushes Donnelly in the chest, Donnelly throws himself to the ground, clutching his head.

O'Shea stupidly overreacts and pushed Donnelly over. It's a throw ball.

In the other incident, O'Shea grabs hold of Meyler's hand and throws himself forward when the ball goes out of play. It's unbelievable that Deegan can give that, he's moving in the wrong direction for a start.

You're trying to defend the indefensible here and your counter arguments are weak as piss.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 15, 2019, 09:35:20 PM
Angelo how many times have you watched the game back ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 15, 2019, 09:39:51 PM
Peter Harte at 68:17

Maybe Angelo would like to respond to this?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 09:46:10 PM
Peter Harte at 68:17

It looks like a Gavin Crowley dive? Is that what you are referring to?

Put a video up of it there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 15, 2019, 09:48:37 PM
This Angelo is some craic ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 15, 2019, 09:54:39 PM
Peter Harte at 68:17

It looks like a Gavin Crowley dive? Is that what you are referring to?

Put a video up of it there.

Not able to post video.  If you call that a dive (leading to the player being substituted), then we have communicated for the first and last time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 09:57:12 PM
Peter Harte at 68:17

It looks like a Gavin Crowley dive? Is that what you are referring to?

Put a video up of it there.

Not able to post video.  If you call that a dive (leading to the player being substituted), then we have communicated for the first and last time.

Yes I call it a dive. Why don't you post a video up of it if you think it is worse.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 15, 2019, 10:04:27 PM
Angelo I love how detailed you are even when you are blatantly wrong ;D

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 15, 2019, 10:05:34 PM
Peter Harte at 68:17

It looks like a Gavin Crowley dive? Is that what you are referring to?

Put a video up of it there.

Not able to post video.  If you call that a dive (leading to the player being substituted), then we have communicated for the first and last time.

Yes I call it a dive. Why don't you post a video up of it if you think it is worse.

Certainly didn’t look to be a lot in it but the player was subbed off as a result
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 15, 2019, 10:11:47 PM
Peter Harte at 68:17

It looks like a Gavin Crowley dive? Is that what you are referring to?

Put a video up of it there.

Not able to post video.  If you call that a dive (leading to the player being substituted), then we have communicated for the first and last time.

Yes I call it a dive. Why don't you post a video up of it if you think it is worse.

Certainly didn’t look to be a lot in it but the player was subbed off as a result

Killing time, we also had 7 scores in injury time, a black card, a number of other frees, a retaken kickout and a number of sub in injury time. Deegan blew it right after Harte pointed the free which was blown in the 75th minute.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 15, 2019, 11:15:48 PM
He saved you from painting sheep and getting hammered by Dublin.

Nothing, nothing like the buzz in the run up to an all Ireland final. You must have forgotten what it's like it's been that long.

You won't be buzzing anytime soon.

I'll probably have buzzed several times before you ever will again.

I'm buzzing now. 8)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: giveballaghback on August 15, 2019, 11:25:53 PM
Well its fine and dandy reading all the tyrone posts on here crying about being hard done by ;D karma is such a bitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 15, 2019, 11:43:46 PM
Ain't she just ;D :D
Ultan, Conor and Enda no doubt having sone wry smiles too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2019, 11:58:30 PM
Ain't she just ;D :D
Ultan, Conor and Enda no doubt having sone wry smiles too.

Not obsessing here either, no, of course you aren't, of course.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 16, 2019, 12:07:32 AM
Just agreing with my fellow Countyman from the same Roscommon town as Andy Moran.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blanketattack on August 16, 2019, 01:20:39 AM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.

You're talking out of your arse. Go back and watch the game and report on what happened in the match, not what happened in your vivid imagination. Kerry had numerous frees pulled back when there was no advantage, they lost the advantage numerous when soft fouls were called outside the 45 yard line and they ran the ball into trouble after.

They were getting their frees miles handier than Tyrone were. O'Shea was the player who was conning the referee with Meyler. He got one free where he grabbed Meyler's outstretched hand and threw himself to ground, it was ridiculous, it looked ridiculous, basic physics would have told you that O'Shea was falling in the wrong direction to be fouled but Deegan went for it straight away. I was in 333 in the Hogan and I could tell from that far away there was no way that could be a free.

There's no doubt Tyrone will be kicking themselves with the misses and mistakes they made. They probably weren't good enough to win but neither would Kerry have been good enough to win that only for Maurice Deegan.

Are you a Kerry man yourself or just the Colm O'Rourke type wannabe one?

Giving out about O'Shea throwing himself to the ground? Really? After O'Shea pushes Donnelly in the chest, Donnelly throws himself to the ground, clutching his head.

O'Shea stupidly overreacts and pushed Donnelly over. It's a throw ball.

In the other incident, O'Shea grabs hold of Meyler's hand and throws himself forward when the ball goes out of play. It's unbelievable that Deegan can give that, he's moving in the wrong direction for a start.

You're trying to defend the indefensible here and your counter arguments are weak as piss.

What's sadder is you can't take your beating, and instead of seeing the truth, that Tyrone had major deficiencies and when the game was in the melting pot after HT, Kerry stepped up and outscored Tyrone 1-10 to 0-4, you're whining about the ref and trying to portray Tyrone as choir boys who were innocent victims, instead of admitting Kerry were the beater team with better footballers. Are you enjoying your sour grapes?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 07:33:00 AM
The time McShane got was the same if not more than the 5 times Kerry's advantage wasn't pulled back. The bluntness of the foul doesn't matter, Deegan should have given the free once it obvious there was no advantage and running into 3 Tyrone players is hardly an advantage for O'Brien compared to a scorable free for O'Shea.
The off the ball fouls on Harte were miniscule in comparison to that on O'Shea, Geaney and Clifford.

You're talking out of your arse. Go back and watch the game and report on what happened in the match, not what happened in your vivid imagination. Kerry had numerous frees pulled back when there was no advantage, they lost the advantage numerous when soft fouls were called outside the 45 yard line and they ran the ball into trouble after.

They were getting their frees miles handier than Tyrone were. O'Shea was the player who was conning the referee with Meyler. He got one free where he grabbed Meyler's outstretched hand and threw himself to ground, it was ridiculous, it looked ridiculous, basic physics would have told you that O'Shea was falling in the wrong direction to be fouled but Deegan went for it straight away. I was in 333 in the Hogan and I could tell from that far away there was no way that could be a free.

There's no doubt Tyrone will be kicking themselves with the misses and mistakes they made. They probably weren't good enough to win but neither would Kerry have been good enough to win that only for Maurice Deegan.

Are you a Kerry man yourself or just the Colm O'Rourke type wannabe one?

Giving out about O'Shea throwing himself to the ground? Really? After O'Shea pushes Donnelly in the chest, Donnelly throws himself to the ground, clutching his head.

O'Shea stupidly overreacts and pushed Donnelly over. It's a throw ball.

In the other incident, O'Shea grabs hold of Meyler's hand and throws himself forward when the ball goes out of play. It's unbelievable that Deegan can give that, he's moving in the wrong direction for a start.

You're trying to defend the indefensible here and your counter arguments are weak as piss.

What's sadder is you can't take your beating, and instead of seeing the truth, that Tyrone had major deficiencies and when the game was in the melting pot after HT, Kerry stepped up and outscored Tyrone 1-10 to 0-4, you're whining about the ref and trying to portray Tyrone as choir boys who were innocent victims, instead of admitting Kerry were the beater team with better footballers. Are you enjoying your sour grapes?

I'm just saying it as it is, for the second time in 5 years, Maurice Deegan has been absolutely instrumental in getting Kerry across the line in  an All Ireland semi final against Tyrone. We have to look at ourselves and why we made those mistakes and misses and how that simply doesn't cut the mustard in an All Ireland semi final

But if Tyrone had the beneficiary of those kinds of decisions to the sheer scale Kerry had them in both games, I'd be embarrassed. I certainly don't think Kerry were the better team with the better footballers, I think they relied on the man with the whistle to make the difference.

The problem for Tyrone is that they needed to be about a 7 point better team on the day than Kerry to negate Deegan, they weren't a 7 point better team on the day. It's not right thought that should be the case, I've seen Deegan referee Kerry down the years, it's embarrassing.

Your attitude is like one I'd be familiar with in unionists, they want every single thing stacked in their favour and they don't want to acknowledge any of that favouritism or neither are they embarrassed by it.

The post match comments about Gough by Fitzmaurice sum up the mentality of Kerry to a tee.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 16, 2019, 07:50:50 AM
I assume you are Il Bomber Destro. If this was Mayo you'd be on about us not questioning the Mayo players instead of us blaming the ref.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 16, 2019, 08:07:03 AM
Our mistake is criticising the ref in the aftermath of the game, using obvious facts that people could see with their own eyes to question his bias. We really should have orchestrated a media smear campaign on the ref prior to the game, heaping enough pressure on the man in the middle to try and swing things our way. Once again, this week Kerry have led the way, in this regard, as master exponents of cynical methods to gain an advantage, with Fitzmaurice’s attack on Gough. I wonder what the reaction would have been if Eugene McKenna or Art McRory had come out in the press and did a hatchet job on Deegan in the week leading up to the semi final? Anyone who can’t see how the Kerry media mafia works are blinded by the Kerry myth.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 16, 2019, 08:13:03 AM
Yes Deegan gave Kerry a couple of handy frees after half time, yes he was being an absolute tool with regards calling frees from 60 yards away and yes he could have called for fouls on Harte for off the ball stuff. But ffs Kerry were a far better team, Tyrone played their usual defensive shite, missed handy chances and gave the ball away cheaply leading to Kerry scores. At the end of the day Peter Harte is one of Tyrones best players, teams are obviously going to look to nullify him however they can, (like Tyrone have done plenty of times to the likes of the Gooch) but thats where Harte should have been putting O’Sullivan on his arse or if hes not fit to one of the other lads should have, rather than crying looking frees. Tyrone got what they deserved from that game regardless of the ref.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 09:06:03 AM
I assume you are Il Bomber Destro. If this was Mayo you'd be on about us not questioning the Mayo players instead of us blaming the ref.

There are two separate issues I have addressed.

Tyrone - their inability to cope with things in the face of adversity. They fucked an All Ireland final away last year in the space of 5 minutes, they crumbled when the tide turned on Sunday. Tyrone need to look at themselves with regard to that defeat, the crazy mistakes and lack of composure when things went against them are not the hallmarks of a team who will win the big prize and it's happened too often with this group of players now. I've covered this right after the game and there's no real countenance to say otherwise.

The other issue is Maurice Deegan. His performance was a disgrace and it single handedly brought a fairly average Kerry side right back into a game where they were being dominated in. Maurice Deegan may not have been the reason Tyrone lost but he was certainly the reason Kerry won. There have been plenty of posters on here trying to downplay his decisions and engaging in false equivocation. I'm not saying Maurice Deegan cost us the game but I am saying he absolutely shafted us and he was not even subtle in doing so and not for the first time either.

I don't blame Deegan for Tyrone's loss but I do feel the spotlight should be on him and his handling of a Kerry game and it's becoming a long running theme at this stage.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 16, 2019, 09:36:46 AM
Yes Deegan gave Kerry a couple of handy frees after half time, yes he was being an absolute tool with regards calling frees from 60 yards away and yes he could have called for fouls on Harte for off the ball stuff. But ffs Kerry were a far better team, Tyrone played their usual defensive shite, missed handy chances and gave the ball away cheaply leading to Kerry scores. At the end of the day Peter Harte is one of Tyrones best players, teams are obviously going to look to nullify him however they can, (like Tyrone have done plenty of times to the likes of the Gooch) but thats where Harte should have been putting O’Sullivan on his arse or if hes not fit to one of the other lads should have, rather than crying looking frees. Tyrone got what they deserved from that game regardless of the ref.

lol you pointed out numerous ways in which the ref screwed tryone out of it but still say kerry were the better team. How can 1 team be the better team if they are relying on the ref to give them easy scores and to ignore their fouling. Doesnt really make much sense.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 09:41:43 AM
They weren't relying on the referee though. Yes they got some frees they shouldn't. They didn't rely on the referee to get them the goal, Cliffords points from play, Geaney's points from play etc etc. Honestly the more you read of this thread the more you'd think Deegan should just have kicked them over the bar himself!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 09:46:02 AM
They weren't relying on the referee though. Yes they got some frees they shouldn't. They didn't rely on the referee to get them the goal, Cliffords points from play, Geaney's points from play etc etc. Honestly the more you read of this thread the more you'd think Deegan should just have kicked them over the bar himself!

They were. At 12-10 in the 52nd minute Kerry had hit only 4 points from play,  from the frees they scored 4 of them were non frees and one of them even came from the ref incorrectly blowing up play when Tyrone had the ball and booking Sludden.

He was instrumental in dragging Kerry back into the game.

They did rely on him for the goal as Geaney clearly overplayed the ball and it should have been blown for a free out.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 16, 2019, 10:22:57 AM
I assume you are Il Bomber Destro. If this was Mayo you'd be on about us not questioning the Mayo players instead of us blaming the ref.

There are two separate issues I have addressed.

Tyrone - their inability to cope with things in the face of adversity. They fucked an All Ireland final away last year in the space of 5 minutes, they crumbled when the tide turned on Sunday. Tyrone need to look at themselves with regard to that defeat, the crazy mistakes and lack of composure when things went against them are not the hallmarks of a team who will win the big prize and it's happened too often with this group of players now. I've covered this right after the game and there's no real countenance to say otherwise.

The other issue is Maurice Deegan. His performance was a disgrace and it single handedly brought a fairly average Kerry side right back into a game where they were being dominated in. Maurice Deegan may not have been the reason Tyrone lost but he was certainly the reason Kerry won. There have been plenty of posters on here trying to downplay his decisions and engaging in false equivocation. I'm not saying Maurice Deegan cost us the game but I am saying he absolutely shafted us and he was not even subtle in doing so and not for the first time either.

I don't blame Deegan for Tyrone's loss but I do feel the spotlight should be on him and his handling of a Kerry game and it's becoming a long running theme at this stage.

Ah you do, time to move on - Tyrone were shite in the second half, end of.

I thought Deegan fucked us badly in 2015 but that just takes the biscuit.

An absolute and utter disgrace.

Deegan single handedly brought Kerry back into that game with a string of ridiculous frees
but I think you have to look at the mentality of the team out there, in the face of adversity too many times we have collapsed. And even with Deegan dragging Kerry back into it we have to look at our own role in matters.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Throw ball on August 16, 2019, 10:23:51 AM
After his handling of the Mayo v Armagh game I was surprised Deegan got an All Ireland semi final. I also got my money on Kerry once he was appointed.

Still Kerry were by far the better team and deserved to win. Once the pressure came on Tyrone capitulated. For me it is because they are not good enough. They have too many very average players. Their superior fitness together with their horrible game plan are enough to beat other average teams but struggles badly against decent ones.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 10:30:30 AM
I assume you are Il Bomber Destro. If this was Mayo you'd be on about us not questioning the Mayo players instead of us blaming the ref.

There are two separate issues I have addressed.

Tyrone - their inability to cope with things in the face of adversity. They fucked an All Ireland final away last year in the space of 5 minutes, they crumbled when the tide turned on Sunday. Tyrone need to look at themselves with regard to that defeat, the crazy mistakes and lack of composure when things went against them are not the hallmarks of a team who will win the big prize and it's happened too often with this group of players now. I've covered this right after the game and there's no real countenance to say otherwise.

The other issue is Maurice Deegan. His performance was a disgrace and it single handedly brought a fairly average Kerry side right back into a game where they were being dominated in. Maurice Deegan may not have been the reason Tyrone lost but he was certainly the reason Kerry won. There have been plenty of posters on here trying to downplay his decisions and engaging in false equivocation. I'm not saying Maurice Deegan cost us the game but I am saying he absolutely shafted us and he was not even subtle in doing so and not for the first time either.

I don't blame Deegan for Tyrone's loss but I do feel the spotlight should be on him and his handling of a Kerry game and it's becoming a long running theme at this stage.

Ah you do, time to move on - Tyrone were shite in the second half, end of.

I thought Deegan fucked us badly in 2015 but that just takes the biscuit.

An absolute and utter disgrace.

Deegan single handedly brought Kerry back into that game with a string of ridiculous frees
but I think you have to look at the mentality of the team out there, in the face of adversity too many times we have collapsed. And even with Deegan dragging Kerry back into it we have to look at our own role in matters.

They're independent statements. Deegan fucked us badly but we still should have resilient enough to respond and win. I don't think Kerry would have won without him though.

Tyrone were the better team for the first 20 minutes of the second half bit Deegan was doing his best for Kerry there and reeling the scoreline in further when it should have been going the other way.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 16, 2019, 10:32:41 AM
This gets funnier by the day ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 10:33:31 AM
After his handling of the Mayo v Armagh game I was surprised Deegan got an All Ireland semi final. I also got my money on Kerry once he was appointed.

Still Kerry were by far the better team and deserved to win. Once the pressure came on Tyrone capitulated. For me it is because they are not good enough. They have too many very average players. Their superior fitness together with their horrible game plan are enough to beat other average teams but struggles badly against decent ones.

How were they by far the better team when for over 50 minutes of the game they needed a referee to keep them in it. In 52 minutes of play they hit 4 points from play.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 10:35:37 AM
They weren't relying on the referee though. Yes they got some frees they shouldn't. They didn't rely on the referee to get them the goal, Cliffords points from play, Geaney's points from play etc etc. Honestly the more you read of this thread the more you'd think Deegan should just have kicked them over the bar himself!

They were. At 12-10 in the 52nd minute Kerry had hit only 4 points from play,  from the frees they scored 4 of them were non frees and one of them even came from the ref incorrectly blowing up play when Tyrone had the ball and booking Sludden.

He was instrumental in dragging Kerry back into the game.

They did rely on him for the goal as Geaney clearly overplayed the ball and it should have been blown for a free out.

Jesus we've got a new misdemeanor in overcarrying now as well for the goal!! Barely a ref out there gives overcarrying!!

Kerry weren't by far the better team but they were better and there wasn't a 5 to 6 point swing from the ref that is stated by blinkered on here. Bear in mind I wanted Tyrone to win and I'm saying this!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 10:38:37 AM
They weren't relying on the referee though. Yes they got some frees they shouldn't. They didn't rely on the referee to get them the goal, Cliffords points from play, Geaney's points from play etc etc. Honestly the more you read of this thread the more you'd think Deegan should just have kicked them over the bar himself!

They were. At 12-10 in the 52nd minute Kerry had hit only 4 points from play,  from the frees they scored 4 of them were non frees and one of them even came from the ref incorrectly blowing up play when Tyrone had the ball and booking Sludden.

He was instrumental in dragging Kerry back into the game.

They did rely on him for the goal as Geaney clearly overplayed the ball and it should have been blown for a free out.

Jesus we've got a new misdemeanor in overcarrying now as well for the goal!! Barely a ref out there gives overcarrying!!

Kerry weren't by far the better team but they were better and there wasn't a 5 to 6 point swing from the ref that is stated by blinkered on here. Bear in mind I wanted Tyrone to win and I'm saying this!

There was at least a 6 point swing with the referee. If you can't see that then it turns out you're the blinkered one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 10:43:06 AM
There wasn't a 6 point swing. (Oh sorry am I blinkered - good way to try and shut an argument down lol)

If it was as bad as you say it is then you should be starting a campaign to have the match replayed!

Listening to you it sounds like the worst refereeing performance in history. Mayo against Kerry in Limerick in whatever year was a much bigger shafting than this.(I don't know who that was and may have been Deegan lol)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 10:50:58 AM
There wasn't a 6 point swing. (Oh sorry am I blinkered - good way to try and shut an argument down lol)

If it was as bad as you say it is then you should be starting a campaign to have the match replayed!

Listening to you it sounds like the worst refereeing performance in history. Mayo against Kerry in Limerick in whatever year was a much bigger shafting than this.(I don't know who that was and may have been Deegan lol)

It was as biased as you will find. The major incidents alone are at least a 6 point swing and that's not even taking into account Deegan wilfully ignoring the persistent fouling on Peter Harte yet he's able to blow free outs 60 yards away for Kerry when there's innocuous contact.

It's up there with Deegan against us in 2015 and Conor Lane against Derry in a qualifier match in Salthill a few years back as the most biased you would see.

Can you name a worse one?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 11:03:26 AM
I did...

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blanketattack on August 16, 2019, 11:30:08 AM
They weren't relying on the referee though. Yes they got some frees they shouldn't. They didn't rely on the referee to get them the goal, Cliffords points from play, Geaney's points from play etc etc. Honestly the more you read of this thread the more you'd think Deegan should just have kicked them over the bar himself!

They were. At 12-10 in the 52nd minute Kerry had hit only 4 points from play,  from the frees they scored 4 of them were non frees and one of them even came from the ref incorrectly blowing up play when Tyrone had the ball and booking Sludden.

He was instrumental in dragging Kerry back into the game.

They did rely on him for the goal as Geaney clearly overplayed the ball and it should have been blown for a free out.

Jesus we've got a new misdemeanor in overcarrying now as well for the goal!! Barely a ref out there gives overcarrying!!

Kerry weren't by far the better team but they were better and there wasn't a 5 to 6 point swing from the ref that is stated by blinkered on here. Bear in mind I wanted Tyrone to win and I'm saying this!

There was at least a 6 point swing with the referee. If you can't see that then it turns out you're the blinkered one.

Bloody hell!, I haven't heard so much talk about a swing since Maria Bailey fell off one in a hotel in Dublin, and her case held a lot more water than yours!
All the neutrals are saying Kerry deserved to win. Do you think everyone else is wrong and you're right?
You're obsessing with Deegan and frees, but even just counting scores from play, Kerry still win.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Estimator on August 16, 2019, 11:36:55 AM
Between half time and the O'Briens goal.
The scores were as follows*
(Taken from MoysPhillyMc)

Half Time:
Kerry 0-05 Tyrone 0-09
Kerry 0-06 Tyrone 0-09 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-07 Tyrone 0-09 - Geaney from play
Kerry 0-07 Tyrone 0-10 - McShane free
Kerry 0-08 Tyrone 0-10 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-08 Tyrone 0-11 - McShane free
Kerry 0-09 Tyrone 0-11 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-09 Tyrone 0-11 - Tyrone missed free
Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-11 - Sherwood from play
Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-12 - McAliskey from play
Kerry 0-11 Tyrone 0-12 - Moran from play
Kerry 0-12 Tyrone 0-12 - Clifford from play

Looks fairly balanced to me. Kerry scored the 3 frees they were awarded. Tyrone scored two and missed one of the frees they were awarded.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 11:50:48 AM
They weren't relying on the referee though. Yes they got some frees they shouldn't. They didn't rely on the referee to get them the goal, Cliffords points from play, Geaney's points from play etc etc. Honestly the more you read of this thread the more you'd think Deegan should just have kicked them over the bar himself!

They were. At 12-10 in the 52nd minute Kerry had hit only 4 points from play,  from the frees they scored 4 of them were non frees and one of them even came from the ref incorrectly blowing up play when Tyrone had the ball and booking Sludden.

He was instrumental in dragging Kerry back into the game.

They did rely on him for the goal as Geaney clearly overplayed the ball and it should have been blown for a free out.

Jesus we've got a new misdemeanor in overcarrying now as well for the goal!! Barely a ref out there gives overcarrying!!

Kerry weren't by far the better team but they were better and there wasn't a 5 to 6 point swing from the ref that is stated by blinkered on here. Bear in mind I wanted Tyrone to win and I'm saying this!

There was at least a 6 point swing with the referee. If you can't see that then it turns out you're the blinkered one.

Bloody hell!, I haven't heard so much talk about a swing since Maria Bailey fell off one in a hotel in Dublin, and her case held a lot more water than yours!
All the neutrals are saying Kerry deserved to win. Do you think everyone else is wrong and you're right?
You're obsessing with Deegan and frees, but even just counting scores from play, Kerry still win.

There's no doubt Kerry kicked on and won it from the 55th minute. The only reason they were still in the game at that point was Maurice Deegan.

As for all the neutrals, think again - those that aren't duped by the Kerry media propaganda machine will quite right call Maurice Deegan's intervention for what it was. A referee intent of wrestling the control of the result our of the players on the pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 16, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
Between half time and the O'Briens goal.
The scores were as follows*
(Taken from MoysPhillyMc)

Half Time:
Kerry 0-05 Tyrone 0-09
Kerry 0-06 Tyrone 0-09 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-07 Tyrone 0-09 - Geaney from play
Kerry 0-07 Tyrone 0-10 - McShane free
Kerry 0-08 Tyrone 0-10 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-08 Tyrone 0-11 - McShane free
Kerry 0-09 Tyrone 0-11 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-09 Tyrone 0-11 - Tyrone missed free
Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-11 - Sherwood from play
Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-12 - McAliskey from play
Kerry 0-11 Tyrone 0-12 - Moran from play
Kerry 0-12 Tyrone 0-12 - Clifford from play

Looks fairly balanced to me. Kerry scored the 3 frees they were awarded. Tyrone scored two and missed one of the frees they were awarded.  ;)

But don’t you know then Kerry frees weren’t frees and Deegan is a disgrace
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 11:53:11 AM
What if you don't read their articles or listen to them? Then have you been sucked in by the thing you have no visibility of?

The only reason lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 11:56:59 AM
What if you don't read their articles or listen to them? Then have you been sucked in by the thing you have no visibility of?

The only reason lol.

Must be subconscious in your case.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 12:03:28 PM
 ;D

I don't really like the Kerry team so why would it be?

Or does it just not fit with your rants so obviously I am biased?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 12:10:57 PM
;D

I don't really like the Kerry team so why would it be?

Or does it just not fit with your rants so obviously I am biased?

I would say you're being disingenuous in your stated impartiality, certainly comes across that way.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 12:16:30 PM
I would say that's a weak argument to try and dismiss someone who doesn't fully agree with you. It is hardly objective facts you are telling us here lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 12:25:28 PM
I would say that's a weak argument to try and dismiss someone who doesn't fully agree with you. It is hardly objective facts you are telling us here lol.

It's the only sense I can make when you are ignoring what happened on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 12:27:06 PM
Where have I ignored it? I don't agree it was a 6 point swing - that is all.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyrone08 on August 16, 2019, 12:43:21 PM
This is completely pointless now. Match is over. Tyrone will continue to fail when presented with a challenge and deegan will continue to award soft free against tyrone. Leave it at that.

I do hope however that everyone defending deegan is as forgiving when their team get on the wrong end of bad ref calls. But somehow I doubt it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: blanketattack on August 16, 2019, 12:45:04 PM
They weren't relying on the referee though. Yes they got some frees they shouldn't. They didn't rely on the referee to get them the goal, Cliffords points from play, Geaney's points from play etc etc. Honestly the more you read of this thread the more you'd think Deegan should just have kicked them over the bar himself!

They were. At 12-10 in the 52nd minute Kerry had hit only 4 points from play,  from the frees they scored 4 of them were non frees and one of them even came from the ref incorrectly blowing up play when Tyrone had the ball and booking Sludden.

He was instrumental in dragging Kerry back into the game.

They did rely on him for the goal as Geaney clearly overplayed the ball and it should have been blown for a free out.

Jesus we've got a new misdemeanor in overcarrying now as well for the goal!! Barely a ref out there gives overcarrying!!

Kerry weren't by far the better team but they were better and there wasn't a 5 to 6 point swing from the ref that is stated by blinkered on here. Bear in mind I wanted Tyrone to win and I'm saying this!

There was at least a 6 point swing with the referee. If you can't see that then it turns out you're the blinkered one.

Bloody hell!, I haven't heard so much talk about a swing since Maria Bailey fell off one in a hotel in Dublin, and her case held a lot more water than yours!
All the neutrals are saying Kerry deserved to win. Do you think everyone else is wrong and you're right?
You're obsessing with Deegan and frees, but even just counting scores from play, Kerry still win.

There's no doubt Kerry kicked on and won it from the 55th minute. The only reason they were still in the game at that point was Maurice Deegan.

As for all the neutrals, think again - those that aren't duped by the Kerry media propaganda machine will quite right call Maurice Deegan's intervention for what it was. A referee intent of wrestling the control of the result our of the players on the pitch.

You're determined to have the last word aren't you? We'll let you have that victory.  8)

But really you should build a bridge and get over it. It's bad for your mental health and your stomach acid to hold onto such bitterness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 12:48:40 PM
This is completely pointless now. Match is over. Tyrone will continue to fail when presented with a challenge and deegan will continue to award soft free against tyrone. Leave it at that.

I do hope however that everyone defending deegan is as forgiving when their team get on the wrong end of bad ref calls. But somehow I doubt it

Not defending him but pointing out it is being grossly over exaggerated the influence he had in this game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 16, 2019, 01:39:47 PM
After his handling of the Mayo v Armagh game I was surprised Deegan got an All Ireland semi final. I also got my money on Kerry once he was appointed.

Still Kerry were by far the better team and deserved to win. Once the pressure came on Tyrone capitulated. For me it is because they are not good enough. They have too many very average players. Their superior fitness together with their horrible game plan are enough to beat other average teams but struggles badly against decent ones.

How were they by far the better team when for over 50 minutes of the game they needed a referee to keep them in it. In 52 minutes of play they hit 4 points from play.

So you are saying Tyrone indiscipline the issue, fair enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 16, 2019, 02:25:54 PM
Between half time and the O'Briens goal.
The scores were as follows*
(Taken from MoysPhillyMc)

Half Time:
Kerry 0-05 Tyrone 0-09
Kerry 0-06 Tyrone 0-09 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-07 Tyrone 0-09 - Geaney from play
Kerry 0-07 Tyrone 0-10 - McShane free
Kerry 0-08 Tyrone 0-10 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-08 Tyrone 0-11 - McShane free
Kerry 0-09 Tyrone 0-11 - O'Shea free
Kerry 0-09 Tyrone 0-11 - Tyrone missed free
Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-11 - Sherwood from play
Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-12 - McAliskey from play
Kerry 0-11 Tyrone 0-12 - Moran from play
Kerry 0-12 Tyrone 0-12 - Clifford from play

Looks fairly balanced to me. Kerry scored the 3 frees they were awarded. Tyrone scored two and missed one of the frees they were awarded.  ;)

10 minute period where that game was won and lost.

Kerry 0-10 Tyrone 0-12 on 53 minutes to Kerry 1-15 Tyrone 0-13 on 63 minutes.

1-18 for Kerry playing well for one half. A far cry from holding Kerry to just 0-14 in the All Ireland final 11 years ago.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2019, 07:24:57 PM
I’m sure there is a video link to all these frees. To end the argument put them up and stick a poll up to say a free or no free.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: lenny on August 16, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
I’m sure there is a video link to all these frees. To end the argument put them up and stick a poll up to say a free or no free.

There’s really only 3 decisions tyrone could quibble about. Geaney got a very soft free, mcshane probably should have got a free once and also the ref should’ve given tyrone possession instead of a hop ball after stopping the play for a head injury. Tyrone seemed to get a couple of soft frees themselves so complaining is just sour grapes but in fairness that’s the culture of the gaa.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 09:56:26 PM
I’m sure there is a video link to all these frees. To end the argument put them up and stick a poll up to say a free or no free.

There’s really only 3 decisions tyrone could quibble about. Geaney got a very soft free, mcshane probably should have got a free once and also the ref should’ve given tyrone possession instead of a hop ball after stopping the play for a head injury. Tyrone seemed to get a couple of soft frees themselves so complaining is just sour grapes but in fairness that’s the culture of the gaa.

Like Ian Paisley saying that the nationalist community had little to quibble about during the troubles.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 16, 2019, 10:02:03 PM
 ;D Or nothing like it at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 16, 2019, 10:04:54 PM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: lenny on August 16, 2019, 10:14:35 PM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 16, 2019, 10:34:49 PM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2019, 11:23:12 PM
I watched the match, I haven’t watched it back, but I can’t remember a point where I thought this ref is taking the piss..

What I did noticed was Tyrone failed to pull away when they had their dominance. Kerry made the right changes and Mickey didn’t act on them.

Best team won, they generally do without needing assistance from the ref. Close this thread, it’s embarrassing to be honest
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: In hiding on August 16, 2019, 11:27:04 PM
Five days later and we are still complaining about a few refereeing decisions.
This has now gone past embarrassing
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 16, 2019, 11:27:17 PM
Yes, lock this thread please.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2019, 12:13:48 AM
I watched the match, I haven’t watched it back, but I can’t remember a point where I thought this ref is taking the piss..

What I did noticed was Tyrone failed to pull away when they had their dominance. Kerry made the right changes and Mickey didn’t act on them.

Best team won, they generally do without needing assistance from the ref. Close this thread, it’s embarrassing to be honest

And very glad I was never refereed by your good self sir, if you think that Deegan's display that day is beyond reproach, seriously. Or maybe you think that wildly erratic application of the rules is just fine?  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 17, 2019, 12:18:37 AM
I watched the match, I haven’t watched it back, but I can’t remember a point where I thought this ref is taking the piss..

What I did noticed was Tyrone failed to pull away when they had their dominance. Kerry made the right changes and Mickey didn’t act on them.

Best team won, they generally do without needing assistance from the ref. Close this thread, it’s embarrassing to be honest

And very glad I was never refereed by your good self sir, if you think that Deegan's display that day is beyond reproach, seriously. Or maybe you think that wildly erratic application of the rules is just fine?  ;)

Were they as wildly erratic as they Tyrone display in the second half?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 17, 2019, 12:26:40 AM
I watched the match, I haven’t watched it back, but I can’t remember a point where I thought this ref is taking the piss..

What I did noticed was Tyrone failed to pull away when they had their dominance. Kerry made the right changes and Mickey didn’t act on them.

Best team won, they generally do without needing assistance from the ref. Close this thread, it’s embarrassing to be honest

And very glad I was never refereed by your good self sir, if you think that Deegan's display that day is beyond reproach, seriously. Or maybe you think that wildly erratic application of the rules is just fine?  ;)

Were they as wildly erratic as they Tyrone display in the second half?
When a team crumbles it's easy to blame the referee.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2019, 12:31:38 AM
I watched the match, I haven’t watched it back, but I can’t remember a point where I thought this ref is taking the piss..

What I did noticed was Tyrone failed to pull away when they had their dominance. Kerry made the right changes and Mickey didn’t act on them.

Best team won, they generally do without needing assistance from the ref. Close this thread, it’s embarrassing to be honest

And very glad I was never refereed by your good self sir, if you think that Deegan's display that day is beyond reproach, seriously. Or maybe you think that wildly erratic application of the rules is just fine?  ;)

Were they as wildly erratic as they Tyrone display in the second half?
When a team crumbles it's easy to blame the referee.

So this nonsense, right under the ref's nose, is just fine and dandy, is it?

https://www.facebook.com/tyronelife/videos/444202609771358/UzpfSTY3NTUwMzMwNjpWSzoxMDE1NzYzMDI0NDg3MTA5Ng/?multi_permalinks=10157630244871096&notif_id=1565994693181777&notif_t=group_activity
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: dublin7 on August 17, 2019, 02:23:57 AM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 17, 2019, 05:58:31 AM
I watched the match, I haven’t watched it back, but I can’t remember a point where I thought this ref is taking the piss..

What I did noticed was Tyrone failed to pull away when they had their dominance. Kerry made the right changes and Mickey didn’t act on them.

Best team won, they generally do without needing assistance from the ref. Close this thread, it’s embarrassing to be honest

And very glad I was never refereed by your good self sir, if you think that Deegan's display that day is beyond reproach, seriously. Or maybe you think that wildly erratic application of the rules is just fine?  ;)

Were they as wildly erratic as they Tyrone display in the second half?
When a team crumbles it's easy to blame the referee.

So this nonsense, right under the ref's nose, is just fine and dandy, is it?

https://www.facebook.com/tyronelife/videos/444202609771358/UzpfSTY3NTUwMzMwNjpWSzoxMDE1NzYzMDI0NDg3MTA5Ng/?multi_permalinks=10157630244871096&notif_id=1565994693181777&notif_t=group_activity
Aw please sir the big boy won’t let me past. Ffs man up, put him on his back and get on with the game. He’ll get zero sympathy because thats mild compared to Tyrones tactics.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 17, 2019, 07:37:07 AM
I have never seen such bad losers ever, still whingeing about a referee that actually did alright, the supporters are as good at moaning as the players are at the dark arts.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2019, 07:38:25 AM
Why don't you all get onto the Tyrone county board and call for an objection? This is a joke of a thread that is taking mayogaablog status.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 17, 2019, 07:46:09 AM
I watched the match, I haven’t watched it back, but I can’t remember a point where I thought this ref is taking the piss..

What I did noticed was Tyrone failed to pull away when they had their dominance. Kerry made the right changes and Mickey didn’t act on them.

Best team won, they generally do without needing assistance from the ref. Close this thread, it’s embarrassing to be honest

And very glad I was never refereed by your good self sir, if you think that Deegan's display that day is beyond reproach, seriously. Or maybe you think that wildly erratic application of the rules is just fine?  ;)

Were they as wildly erratic as they Tyrone display in the second half?
When a team crumbles it's easy to blame the referee.

So this nonsense, right under the ref's nose, is just fine and dandy, is it?

https://www.facebook.com/tyronelife/videos/444202609771358/UzpfSTY3NTUwMzMwNjpWSzoxMDE1NzYzMDI0NDg3MTA5Ng/?multi_permalinks=10157630244871096&notif_id=1565994693181777&notif_t=group_activity
Aw please sir the big boy won’t let me past. Ffs man up, put him on his back and get on with the game. He’ll get zero sympathy because thats mild compared to Tyrones tactics.

Aye, that would be the  manly man thing to.  ::) However, I  would be fairly sure if Petey Harte “put him on his back” he would have been given a black card rendering him out of the game and  most likely out of the potential final. I’d also be fairly sure the Kerry fella knew Harte was in a pretty precarious position and was therefore unlikely to take any retaliatory action, so this was a premeditated tactic by Kerry and exceptionally cynical. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the ref to have a word here. Surely even the most blinkered of anti Tyrone posters would think that is reasonable when it is happening right in front of his nose?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 17, 2019, 08:24:00 AM
I’m sure there is a video link to all these frees. To end the argument put them up and stick a poll up to say a free or no free.

There’s really only 3 decisions tyrone could quibble about. Geaney got a very soft free, mcshane probably should have got a free once and also the ref should’ve given tyrone possession instead of a hop ball after stopping the play for a head injury. Tyrone seemed to get a couple of soft frees themselves so complaining is just sour grapes but in fairness that’s the culture of the gaa.

Like Ian Paisley saying that the nationalist community had little to quibble about during the troubles.

Bloody hell!!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 08:56:09 AM
I watched the match, I haven’t watched it back, but I can’t remember a point where I thought this ref is taking the piss..

What I did noticed was Tyrone failed to pull away when they had their dominance. Kerry made the right changes and Mickey didn’t act on them.

Best team won, they generally do without needing assistance from the ref. Close this thread, it’s embarrassing to be honest

And very glad I was never refereed by your good self sir, if you think that Deegan's display that day is beyond reproach, seriously. Or maybe you think that wildly erratic application of the rules is just fine?  ;)

Were they as wildly erratic as they Tyrone display in the second half?
When a team crumbles it's easy to blame the referee.

So this nonsense, right under the ref's nose, is just fine and dandy, is it?

https://www.facebook.com/tyronelife/videos/444202609771358/UzpfSTY3NTUwMzMwNjpWSzoxMDE1NzYzMDI0NDg3MTA5Ng/?multi_permalinks=10157630244871096&notif_id=1565994693181777&notif_t=group_activity
Aw please sir the big boy won’t let me past. Ffs man up, put him on his back and get on with the game. He’ll get zero sympathy because thats mild compared to Tyrones tactics.

If it was the other way about I'd bet my life your opinion would be different??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 09:05:24 AM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up

To answer your question dublin7 its a no from me. I believe he's a manager who was in the right place at the right time with a group of outstanding players.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 17, 2019, 09:13:49 AM
Can’t see them winning with this group no matter who is over them. They’re limited enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 17, 2019, 09:20:08 AM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up

To answer your question dublin7 its a no from me. I believe he's a manager who was in the right place at the right time with a group of outstanding players.

Say in 2008 did you think that or has it changed of late? (genuine question- not having a go)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: square_ball on August 17, 2019, 09:45:32 AM
Can’t see them winning with this group no matter who is over them. They’re limited enough.

That’s the long and short of it. To paraphrase Eamon Dunphy they have a lot of good players not a lot of great players.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 17, 2019, 09:48:19 AM
Why don't you all get onto the Tyrone county board and call for an objection? This is a joke of a thread that is taking mayogaablog status.

I have no quibble over the result. We made too many mistakes and players shirked responsibility in the closing stage of the game.

There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 17, 2019, 09:51:13 AM
Can’t see them winning with this group no matter who is over them. They’re limited enough.

I'd have more faith this year than at this time last due to the emergence of McShane as a top class forward. We'll be there or thereabouts next year, I don't think we're an inferior team to Kerry, I think Sunday showed that. We beat ourselves near the end and Kerry needed their old reliable Agent Deegan to intervene when things weren't going well.

I think this group is more or less maxing out, but I can't see anyone topple Dublin in the next 3 years and if they do then we'll have as good a chance as anyone else.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 17, 2019, 09:53:05 AM
Can’t see them winning with this group no matter who is over them. They’re limited enough.

That’s the long and short of it. To paraphrase Eamon Dunphy they have a lot of good players not a lot of great players.

I think this is fair enough. We may look back and realise what a great job Harte did keeping this group of players consistently in the latter stages of the championship. I think Mickey should see out his final year. Personally i’d like to see Malachy o’Rourke come on board next year, (a little like a Steven Rochford was prepared to do in Donegal) and this would provide a smooth transition for O’Rourke to take over with maybe Peter or Dooher joining him.

Or maybe Ricey might win an AI with Fermanagh and we parachute him straight in afterwards.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 10:19:30 AM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up

To answer your question dublin7 its a no from me. I believe he's a manager who was in the right place at the right time with a group of outstanding players.

Say in 2008 did you think that or has it changed of late? (genuine question- not having a go)

2008 same core group of players and in football terms thats a long time ago and he's still there. To answer your question I've always felt it was that group of players that came along at the right time and no matter who the manager was they were always going to win an AI. Remember they won a national league the year before under Art & Eugene.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 17, 2019, 10:40:49 AM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up

To answer your question dublin7 its a no from me. I believe he's a manager who was in the right place at the right time with a group of outstanding players.

Say in 2008 did you think that or has it changed of late? (genuine question- not having a go)

2008 same core group of players and in football terms thats a long time ago and he's still there. To answer your question I've always felt it was that group of players that came along at the right time and no matter who the manager was they were always going to win an AI. Remember they won a national league the year before under Art & Eugene.

And got knocked out by Sligo in the AI series.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 17, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
Beyond embarrassing at this stage, Tyrone the most scummy team for two decades complaining about their players getting well marshelled. ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 10:50:13 AM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up

To answer your question dublin7 its a no from me. I believe he's a manager who was in the right place at the right time with a group of outstanding players.

Say in 2008 did you think that or has it changed of late? (genuine question- not having a go)

2008 same core group of players and in football terms thats a long time ago and he's still there. To answer your question I've always felt it was that group of players that came along at the right time and no matter who the manager was they were always going to win an AI. Remember they won a national league the year before under Art & Eugene.

And got knocked out by Sligo in the AI series.

A good Sligo team in my opinion who Armagh just about knocked out.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 11:02:55 AM
Beyond embarrassing at this stage, Tyrone the most scummy team for two decades complaining about their players getting well marshelled. ;D

Dont know which county you are from but I could guess. It must be hard being so angry all the time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 17, 2019, 11:19:29 AM
Beyond embarrassing at this stage, Tyrone the most scummy team for two decades complaining about their players getting well marshelled. ;D

Well said, absolute scum and an embarrassment to the gaa establishment.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: 6th sam on August 17, 2019, 11:23:26 AM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up

To answer your question dublin7 its a no from me. I believe he's a manager who was in the right place at the right time with a group of outstanding players.

Say in 2008 did you think that or has it changed of late? (genuine question- not having a go)

2008 same core group of players and in football terms thats a long time ago and he's still there. To answer your question I've always felt it was that group of players that came along at the right time and no matter who the manager was they were always going to win an AI. Remember they won a national league the year before under Art & Eugene.

I’m neutral, and would agree with some of the constructive criticism of Mickey Harte but to say he was lucky with a group of players doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Whereas he’s not everybody’s cup of tea, he obviously sets standards and gets a response from players . He’s been successful with Tyrone minor’s u21s and seniors and with his club. Tyrone had real talent in the early 90s winning u21s but couldn’t convert it to senior success until Harte took the reins. He managed to get great people around him that were crucial to success. He has maintained Tyrone at the top table throughout his tenure, but regardless of all that , he is likely to be victim of “same voice syndrome “ having being involved with Tyrone teams over 20 years, and throughout that time naturally would have made a few enemies. He’ll keep Tyrone at the top table but is he the best man to find the extra 10% required for Tyrone to win Sam again? only time will tell.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2019, 11:57:57 AM

I’m neutral, and would agree with some of the constructive criticism of Mickey Harte but to say he was lucky with a group of players doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Whereas he’s not everybody’s cup of tea, he obviously sets standards and gets a response from players . He’s been successful with Tyrone minor’s u21s and seniors and with his club. Tyrone had real talent in the early 90s winning u21s but couldn’t convert it to senior success until Harte took the reins. He managed to get great people around him that were crucial to success. He has maintained Tyrone at the top table throughout his tenure, but regardless of all that , he is likely to be victim of “same voice syndrome “ having being involved with Tyrone teams over 20 years, and throughout that time naturally would have made a few enemies. He’ll keep Tyrone at the top table but is he the best man to find the extra 10% required for Tyrone to win Sam again? only time will tell.

That's a fair piece of analysis I'd say.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 12:09:09 PM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up

To answer your question dublin7 its a no from me. I believe he's a manager who was in the right place at the right time with a group of outstanding players.

Say in 2008 did you think that or has it changed of late? (genuine question- not having a go)

2008 same core group of players and in football terms thats a long time ago and he's still there. To answer your question I've always felt it was that group of players that came along at the right time and no matter who the manager was they were always going to win an AI. Remember they won a national league the year before under Art & Eugene.

I’m neutral, and would agree with some of the constructive criticism of Mickey Harte but to say he was lucky with a group of players doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Whereas he’s not everybody’s cup of tea, he obviously sets standards and gets a response from players . He’s been successful with Tyrone minor’s u21s and seniors and with his club. Tyrone had real talent in the early 90s winning u21s but couldn’t convert it to senior success until Harte took the reins. He managed to get great people around him that were crucial to success. He has maintained Tyrone at the top table throughout his tenure, but regardless of all that , he is likely to be victim of “same voice syndrome “ having being involved with Tyrone teams over 20 years, and throughout that time naturally would have made a few enemies. He’ll keep Tyrone at the top table but is he the best man to find the extra 10% required for Tyrone to win Sam again? only time will tell.

Minors, U21's with the same group of players. He was minor manager from 91 I think and had 1 Ulster title before that group came along.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 17, 2019, 02:09:44 PM
Beyond embarrassing at this stage, Tyrone the most scummy team for two decades complaining about their players getting well marshelled. ;D

Dont know which county you are from but I could guess. It must be hard being so angry all the time.

A decent side but they never really darkened an All Ireland semi final spot after that season. A year later Tyrone were All Ireland Champions under Mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 17, 2019, 02:37:11 PM
;D Or nothing like it at all.

Lenny’s blatherings about Tyrone are often Paisleyesque in their vitriol.

Lol, that’s ironic because I always think of Tyrone people like the DUP with their extreme paranoia.

And I always think of you as Ian Paisley with toxic hatred flowing through your every word.
Why are people arguing with this poster. Life is too short go get into a debaate with the likes of this guy. He is full of nonsense and best ignored.

On a serious note, do Tyrone fans think Mickey Harte is the man to bring them All Ireland victories
 To me it's obvious that his negative tactics have been found up

To answer your question dublin7 its a no from me. I believe he's a manager who was in the right place at the right time with a group of outstanding players.

Say in 2008 did you think that or has it changed of late? (genuine question- not having a go)

2008 same core group of players and in football terms thats a long time ago and he's still there. To answer your question I've always felt it was that group of players that came along at the right time and no matter who the manager was they were always going to win an AI. Remember they won a national league the year before under Art & Eugene.

I’m neutral, and would agree with some of the constructive criticism of Mickey Harte but to say he was lucky with a group of players doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Whereas he’s not everybody’s cup of tea, he obviously sets standards and gets a response from players . He’s been successful with Tyrone minor’s u21s and seniors and with his club. Tyrone had real talent in the early 90s winning u21s but couldn’t convert it to senior success until Harte took the reins. He managed to get great people around him that were crucial to success. He has maintained Tyrone at the top table throughout his tenure, but regardless of all that , he is likely to be victim of “same voice syndrome “ having being involved with Tyrone teams over 20 years, and throughout that time naturally would have made a few enemies. He’ll keep Tyrone at the top table but is he the best man to find the extra 10% required for Tyrone to win Sam again? only time will tell.

All Ireland's lost in 07 and poss 06 or 09. 07 in particular. Harte picked a bogey side v Meath and got the result his arrogance deserved. That group were always going to win All Ireland's. Mickey decided how many. In my view definitely one short, if no more.

At this stage you would think those close to him would step in and tell him enough is enough. But then he didn't do that in the 80s with Ballygawley.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 17, 2019, 02:57:41 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 17, 2019, 03:05:52 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

A side with a history of failing dope tests citing being poisoned by the opposition, would that not set alarm bells ringing in your head?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 03:16:11 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

A side with a history of failing dope tests citing being poisoned by the opposition, would that not set alarm bells ringing in your head?
Alarm bells?? Sure there's nothing in his head.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 17, 2019, 03:39:40 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

A side with a history of failing dope tests citing being poisoned by the opposition, would that not set alarm bells ringing in your head?
A history of failing dope tests? Catch yourself on posting shite like that about amateur players.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 17, 2019, 03:45:12 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

A side with a history of failing dope tests citing being poisoned by the opposition, would that not set alarm bells ringing in your head?
Please don’t respond to him or T_mac. Both WUM accounts. T_mac just a reincarnation of Sureyouwill and countless other accounts. Be gone soon enough with his usual wee man meltdown.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 04:01:42 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

A side with a history of failing dope tests citing being poisoned by the opposition, would that not set alarm bells ringing in your head?
A history of failing dope tests? Catch yourself on posting shite like that about amateur players.

But you're fine with me and others being called scum?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 17, 2019, 04:24:10 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

Sometimes when I get a little disillusioned with Tyrone after big defeats, it often makes me feel a lot better  when I see posters like this and I realise that Tyrone’s recent success gets so far under people’s skin that (I assume a grown man) will go to the bother of signing up under a dodgy username to anonymously throw out vitriol.  ;D  ;D Like, you have taken time out of your day to sign up to give faceless abuse to people you are never going to meet.  ;D The world is full of some very weird people.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 17, 2019, 04:34:10 PM
Nobody on this board should have to put up with the juvenile abuse as dished out by those two, in particular.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Branchie on August 17, 2019, 05:19:22 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

Sometimes when I get a little disillusioned with Tyrone after big defeats, it often makes me feel a lot better  when I see posters like this and I realise that Tyrone’s recent success gets so far under people’s skin that (I assume a grown man) will go to the bother of signing up under a dodgy username to anonymously throw out vitriol.  ;D  ;D Like, you have taken time out of your day to sign up to give faceless abuse to people you are never going to meet.  ;D The world is full of some very weird people.

Success?? What success was that exactly? Poisioning water, Sledging,  Diving when hair is touched and just been general scum on and off the field........Yeah, great success.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 17, 2019, 05:22:42 PM
Does anyone believe the poisoning water story??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 17, 2019, 05:31:31 PM

I’m neutral, and would agree with some of the constructive criticism of Mickey Harte but to say he was lucky with a group of players doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Whereas he’s not everybody’s cup of tea, he obviously sets standards and gets a response from players . He’s been successful with Tyrone minor’s u21s and seniors and with his club. Tyrone had real talent in the early 90s winning u21s but couldn’t convert it to senior success until Harte took the reins. He managed to get great people around him that were crucial to success. He has maintained Tyrone at the top table throughout his tenure, but regardless of all that , he is likely to be victim of “same voice syndrome “ having being involved with Tyrone teams over 20 years, and throughout that time naturally would have made a few enemies. He’ll keep Tyrone at the top table but is he the best man to find the extra 10% required for Tyrone to win Sam again? only time will tell.

That's a fair piece of analysis I'd say.

Agreed. While I do think he has gone as far as he can he has to take a lot of credit for what he has done and despite not being liked internally now I don’t know that many other managers could get them much further. I would still have them top three and they will never beat current Dublin with current squad so whoever took them over could not improve too much. Although they might play more attacking football however this will lose them a lot more scores so need to be careful what is wished for.

Sunday he did get a few things wrong mind you but over the years he has got much more right than wrong.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 17, 2019, 05:38:03 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

Sometimes when I get a little disillusioned with Tyrone after big defeats, it often makes me feel a lot better  when I see posters like this and I realise that Tyrone’s recent success gets so far under people’s skin that (I assume a grown man) will go to the bother of signing up under a dodgy username to anonymously throw out vitriol.  ;D  ;D Like, you have taken time out of your day to sign up to give faceless abuse to people you are never going to meet.  ;D The world is full of some very weird people.

Success?? What success was that exactly? Poisioning water, Sledging,  Diving when hair is touched and just been general scum on and off the field........Yeah, great success.

😂😂
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 17, 2019, 06:12:48 PM
When are we likely to hear more from Kerry on their players getting poisoned? They have the all ireland final to look forward to now but hopefully they will follow it up after the final and expose the scum for what they are.

Never considering it didn’t happen
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 17, 2019, 07:47:05 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 08:35:54 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.

Personally I was more annoyed about Tyrone's performance than Deegan's.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 17, 2019, 08:42:45 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.

Tyrone may have got 7 minutes but the ball was only in play for about 3 of those. I think it was a minute and a half alone from O'Brien hauling McAliskey down and the ball being kicked out after Harte pointed the free. I was definitely expecting another minute or so of action after the last kick but it was futile anyway, we were very unlikely to fashion a goal chance and the damage had been done prior to that.

Again it's something that really needs to be looked at, some referees are very good at allowing the time be added on for delays and gamesmanship, others like Deegan aren't.

It may come across as sour grapes but we've lost plenty of games in the past number of years that have had absolutely nothing to do with referees. The role Deegan played for Kerry in this game was instrumental, you could guarantee had it been Tyrone who got those decisions and on the way to a win last Sunday, the referee's performance would have dominated the headlines after the match and for the ensuing week.

I certainly hope that's the last we'll ever see of Deegan over a Tyrone game and I hope it's the last time he'll ever get to give Kerry a helping hand over another team too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: In hiding on August 17, 2019, 08:49:18 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.

Tyrone may have got 7 minutes but the ball was only in play for about 3 of those. I think it was a minute and a half alone from O'Brien hauling McAliskey down and the ball being kicked out after Harte pointed the free. I was definitely expecting another minute or so of action after the last kick but it was futile anyway, we were very unlikely to fashion a goal chance and the damage had been done prior to that.

Again it's something that really needs to be looked at, some referees are very good at allowing the time be added on for delays and gamesmanship, others like Deegan aren't.

It may come across as sour grapes but we've lost plenty of games in the past number of years that have had absolutely nothing to do with referees. The role Deegan played for Kerry in this game was instrumental, you could guarantee had it been Tyrone who got those decisions and on the way to a win last Sunday, the referee's performance would have dominated the headlines after the match and for the ensuing week.

I certainly hope that's the last we'll ever see of Deegan over a Tyrone game and I hope it's the last time he'll ever get to give Kerry a helping hand over another team too.

Holy mother of God, please stop
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 17, 2019, 08:51:50 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.

Tyrone may have got 7 minutes but the ball was only in play for about 3 of those. I think it was a minute and a half alone from O'Brien hauling McAliskey down and the ball being kicked out after Harte pointed the free. I was definitely expecting another minute or so of action after the last kick but it was futile anyway, we were very unlikely to fashion a goal chance and the damage had been done prior to that.

Again it's something that really needs to be looked at, some referees are very good at allowing the time be added on for delays and gamesmanship, others like Deegan aren't.

It may come across as sour grapes but we've lost plenty of games in the past number of years that have had absolutely nothing to do with referees. The role Deegan played for Kerry in this game was instrumental, you could guarantee had it been Tyrone who got those decisions and on the way to a win last Sunday, the referee's performance would have dominated the headlines after the match and for the ensuing week.

I certainly hope that's the last we'll ever see of Deegan over a Tyrone game and I hope it's the last time he'll ever get to give Kerry a helping hand over another team too.

Holy mother of God, please stop

Why?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 17, 2019, 09:20:52 PM
Don't stop.
It's the best comedy I've seen for years (and it's free!!).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: In hiding on August 17, 2019, 09:41:26 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.

Tyrone may have got 7 minutes but the ball was only in play for about 3 of those. I think it was a minute and a half alone from O'Brien hauling McAliskey down and the ball being kicked out after Harte pointed the free. I was definitely expecting another minute or so of action after the last kick but it was futile anyway, we were very unlikely to fashion a goal chance and the damage had been done prior to that.

Again it's something that really needs to be looked at, some referees are very good at allowing the time be added on for delays and gamesmanship, others like Deegan aren't.

It may come across as sour grapes but we've lost plenty of games in the past number of years that have had absolutely nothing to do with referees. The role Deegan played for Kerry in this game was instrumental, you could guarantee had it been Tyrone who got those decisions and on the way to a win last Sunday, the referee's performance would have dominated the headlines after the match and for the ensuing week.

I certainly hope that's the last we'll ever see of Deegan over a Tyrone game and I hope it's the last time he'll ever get to give Kerry a helping hand over another team too.

Holy mother of God, please stop

Why?

I suppose you're right. Although it's better to be quiet and let people think you're a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 09:41:55 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.

Tyrone may have got 7 minutes but the ball was only in play for about 3 of those. I think it was a minute and a half alone from O'Brien hauling McAliskey down and the ball being kicked out after Harte pointed the free. I was definitely expecting another minute or so of action after the last kick but it was futile anyway, we were very unlikely to fashion a goal chance and the damage had been done prior to that.

Again it's something that really needs to be looked at, some referees are very good at allowing the time be added on for delays and gamesmanship, others like Deegan aren't.

It may come across as sour grapes but we've lost plenty of games in the past number of years that have had absolutely nothing to do with referees. The role Deegan played for Kerry in this game was instrumental, you could guarantee had it been Tyrone who got those decisions and on the way to a win last Sunday, the referee's performance would have dominated the headlines after the match and for the ensuing week.

I certainly hope that's the last we'll ever see of Deegan over a Tyrone game and I hope it's the last time he'll ever get to give Kerry a helping hand over another team too.

They have lost them in the same fashion. With this team their mistakes are like a bus when one comes 3 or 4 seem to follow. This team cant seem to dig themselves out of it. I'm thinking about games against Kerry x 2,Mayo and to an extent Dublin last year in the AIF. Tyrone were up by 5 and had chances to extend their lead and one bad error led to another. Theres a serious problem with this team and one I dont believe the current management can fix.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 17, 2019, 10:22:17 PM

They have lost them in the same fashion. With this team their mistakes are like a bus when one comes 3 or 4 seem to follow. This team cant seem to dig themselves out of it. I'm thinking about games against Kerry x 2,Mayo and to an extent Dublin last year in the AIF. Tyrone were up by 5 and had chances to extend their lead and one bad error led to another. Theres a serious problem with this team and one I dont believe the current management can fix.

Sounds exactly same as problem being experienced by English cricket team, when one falters there is a collapse that cannot be recovered even when one or two do their best to turn it around. Other sports show the same problem when there are teams dependent on a programmed system of play. Disrupt the system and you beat them if they don't have the players to adapt and lead.

For Tyrone, it can be traced back to the use of systems and over-reliance on the system, when it falters if there isn't a core of players with match winning abilities willing and able to step up then the game is lost. 

Previous winning Harte teams had such groups of players who could adapt, this one doesn't have it, Donnelly & Harte can't carry it every time. When Harte is neutralised, Donnelly & McShane are left trying alone and when the scores don't happen as in the second half they lose, no one else can step up, just do their programmed work. An unhelpful referee just made it worse but didn't take the game away.

Don't blame the players, their commitment to the system is unquestionable. The game was lost on the line.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: dublin7 on August 17, 2019, 10:49:43 PM
Everyone keeps saying Peter Harte is a top player, but is he? He's never done it against Dublin in the championship despite multiple chances. He got a stupid black card against Donegal and was marked out of it a5md never seen against Kerry this year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: From the Bunker on August 17, 2019, 10:57:40 PM
Everyone keeps saying Peter Harte is a top player, but is he? He's never done it against Dublin in the championship despite multiple chances. He got a stupid black card against Donegal and was marked out of it a5md never seen against Kerry this year

He's a top player! I'm sure if you picked one of Dublins many top players and parachuted them into the Tyrone team they'd look less glamorous. Quit your jibber Jabber!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: dublin7 on August 17, 2019, 11:13:48 PM
Everyone keeps saying Peter Harte is a top player, but is he? He's never done it against Dublin in the championship despite multiple chances. He got a stupid black card against Donegal and was marked out of it a5md never seen against Kerry this year

He's a top player! I'm sure if you picked one of Dublins many top players and parachuted them into the Tyrone team they'd look less glamorous. Quit your jibber Jabber!
Top players do it on the big occasions were as Harte has disappeared.

You should stick to what you do best and rant about dublin funding
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: reddgnhand on August 17, 2019, 11:22:34 PM
Everyone keeps saying Peter Harte is a top player, but is he? He's never done it against Dublin in the championship despite multiple chances. He got a stupid black card against Donegal and was marked out of it a5md never seen against Kerry this year

He's a top player! I'm sure if you picked one of Dublins many top players and parachuted them into the Tyrone team they'd look less glamorous. Quit your jibber Jabber!
Top players do it on the big occasions were as Harte has disappeared.

You should stick to what you do best and rant about dublin funding

He could be a top player but he's been moved around that much its taken its toll on him. He's been CHB, HB, MF,HF,FF. His head must be turned.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: From the Bunker on August 17, 2019, 11:23:47 PM
Everyone keeps saying Peter Harte is a top player, but is he? He's never done it against Dublin in the championship despite multiple chances. He got a stupid black card against Donegal and was marked out of it a5md never seen against Kerry this year

He's a top player! I'm sure if you picked one of Dublins many top players and parachuted them into the Tyrone team they'd look less glamorous. Quit your jibber Jabber!
Top players do it on the big occasions were as Harte has disappeared.

You should stick to what you do best and rant about dublin funding

Thank you! I'm Pretty good at that alright. It's quite easy really.  Really hope ye do it next Sunday, I'll be rooting for ye!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 18, 2019, 02:47:47 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.
Ref rode us in Castlebar, even worse than he did with Tyrone vs Kerry but just like Tyrone we beat ourselves conceding soft scores and not taking our own.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Under Lights on August 18, 2019, 03:19:04 PM
Rabbit season
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 18, 2019, 05:42:03 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.
Ref rode us in Castlebar, even worse than he did with Tyrone vs Kerry but just like Tyrone we beat ourselves conceding soft scores and not taking our own.

Easy to blame refs after a loss. Armagh beat themselves in Castlebar, goal chances not taken 13 wides and other efforts dropped short.

Tyrone for the way they played 2nd half last Sunday deserved to be beaten.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 18, 2019, 06:25:14 PM
There were many decisions in that game that should be deeply concerning for the GAA and GAA fans. You could not credit it to a bad day at the office for Deegan, it was the willful way he ignored blatant fouling and cynicism on one hand and engaged in pure guesswork to punish innocuous contact on the other hand, all to the beneficiary of one side. The bias was not subtle, it was not hidden and there's barely been a peep about it - I've seen far better, much fairer refereeing performances been the subject of scrutiny and criticism in the past in games where it had less influence on the result.

There seems to be an element trying to hush the serious issues and grievances with Deegan. The conduct of Kerry, their players, management and ex players is regularly expunged fairly quickly in the media but with Tyrone they still bring up acts from 15 years ago. You will have the usual idiot savants like dublin7 and those regularly listing unsubstantiated claims against Tyrone but he won't look at his own county in the same light.

I'd just like a level playing field for all but it doesn't seem Tyrone will ever get that and you can guarantee if Armagh or Derry ever came back to the top table and stuck about they would soon understand. Some people from Armagh must have particularly short memories.

You are 100% correct about Deegan.  Tyrone were not the only Ulster side to come out the wrong side in the second half of a game - think back to Castlebar and Armagh Mayo game. He denied Armagh a chance to come back with his timekeeping.  At least Tyrone got 7 minutes to try to turn it around.

The problem arises when your team is beaten and you try to raise issues about the referee, it smells like sour grapes.
Ref rode us in Castlebar, even worse than he did with Tyrone vs Kerry but just like Tyrone we beat ourselves conceding soft scores and not taking our own.

Easy to blame refs after a loss. Armagh beat themselves in Castlebar, goal chances not taken 13 wides and other efforts dropped short.

Tyrone for the way they played 2nd half last Sunday deserved to be beaten.
100% correct sir, 2 bad refereeing performances but both teams beat themselves.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Hound on August 19, 2019, 10:29:53 AM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 10:35:16 AM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2019, 11:54:19 AM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Absolutely. There's a fairly big % of people in Tyrone that would like Harte to leave, which is fair enough, he's a bit like Marmite. However I don't think he's underachieved with the current team, in fact if anything he's over achieved given the talent in my eyes. And he brought a level of professionalism to the set up that many other counties were lacking, and that helped bring us across the line. That will bring it's own detractors internally and you will see comments about Fuhrer Harte, etc.
I'm indifferent to him staying or going to be honest. The noise for him to go is that loud now that it can only divide the county. However I don't see a better manager coming in, so I don't see improvement in the County team happening anytime soon.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2019, 12:07:41 PM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 19, 2019, 12:13:59 PM
Football was invented in 2003, nothing counts before that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2019, 12:28:31 PM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 12:43:46 PM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.

That team in the 00s was destined to win All Irelands. There was definitely one All Ireland threw away in 07 when Harte picked a bogey team and got caught against Meath. The success of 03, 05 & 08 masked the years of underachievement. There was trojan work done in Tyrone long before Harte took on the senior set up. Football camps, Club Tyrone etc. Mickey Harte didn't invent winning. Tyrone has won the National League in 02 and were already a coming team. In reality Tyrone have beaten no one of note in the last 11 years. He is a specialist in failure. He has constantly got caught in Ulster, yet again this being another example. Tyrone county board should ask him to leave.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 19, 2019, 01:17:46 PM
Would the players be regarded as “specialists in failure” too or is it handier to leave it all at Harte’s door?

If Mickey Harte is a specialist in failure in Tyrone football, what does that say about anyone involved in playing or coaching Tyrone teams before 2003?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 01:29:32 PM
Would the players be regarded as “specialists in failure” too or is it handier to leave it all at Harte’s door?

If Mickey Harte is a specialist in failure in Tyrone football, what does that say about anyone involved in playing or coaching Tyrone teams before 2003?

Last time I checked the players don't pick the team.

Crazy decisions this year alone that cost us games...

Cassidy dropped V Donegal
Rafferty started on McHugh v Donegal and got completely cleaned out
McCann one of Tyrone best performers dropped v Kerry
Harte not subbed v Kerry. Not even switched positions
Sludden who was having a good game was subbed v Kerry
Lee Brennan allowed to leave panel, arguably one of Tyrone's most dangerous forwards

Notable teams Tyrone have beaten since 2008.
...

4 Ulsters in 11 years. 6 in his complete tenure of 17 years.

But he has won at least 29 McKenna cups so there is that.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 19, 2019, 01:32:33 PM
Would the players be regarded as “specialists in failure” too or is it handier to leave it all at Harte’s door?

If Mickey Harte is a specialist in failure in Tyrone football, what does that say about anyone involved in playing or coaching Tyrone teams before 2003?

Last time I checked the players don't pick the team.

Crazy decisions this year alone that cost us games...

Cassidy dropped V Donegal
Rafferty started on McHugh v Donegal and got completely cleaned out
McCann one of Tyrone best performers dropped v Kerry
Harte not subbed v Kerry. Not even switched positions
Sludden who was having a good game was subbed v Kerry
Lee Brennan allowed to leave panel, arguably one of Tyrone's most dangerous forwards

Notable teams Tyrone have beaten since 2008.
...

4 Ulsters in 11 years. 6 in his complete tenure of 17 years.

But he has won at least 29 McKenna cups so there is that.

 ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 19, 2019, 01:37:09 PM
Players fail to win games too. They never seem to shoulder the responsibility though. The crop of players over this last 10 years haven’t been good enough. Simple as that.

In relation to Harte being a specialist in failure, who would be considered Tyrone’s successful managers by you?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2019, 01:43:14 PM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.

That team in the 00s was destined to win All Irelands. There was definitely one All Ireland threw away in 07 when Harte picked a bogey team and got caught against Meath. The success of 03, 05 & 08 masked the years of underachievement. There was trojan work done in Tyrone long before Harte took on the senior set up. Football camps, Club Tyrone etc. Mickey Harte didn't invent winning. Tyrone has won the National League in 02 and were already a coming team. In reality Tyrone have beaten no one of note in the last 11 years. He is a specialist in failure. He has constantly got caught in Ulster, yet again this being another example. Tyrone county board should ask him to leave.

Yeah but 08 was one they won being huge underdogs so surely that made up for 07? yes they shouldn't have been caught by Meath I would agree.

I think for the period of 03 to 08 he most certainly did not underachieve but after that maybe up for debate. I personally don't think he did. The Cork team that beat Tyrone were just better. The semi with Kerry the other year they were just better. The semi this year I think he could have done more with mind you.

I think if you judge 3 AIs as a failure then you are an incredibly harsh judge.

I do often wonder whether sometimes Ulster always came at a time where his team was not setup to peak yet and he took this hit to aim for bigger prizes. Could be wrong in that but I do think the Donegal result would have been the other way in mid July on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: skeog on August 19, 2019, 01:47:11 PM
Say be a lot of people in management would love to have MH trophy winning record.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2019, 01:58:49 PM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.

That team in the 00s was destined to win All Irelands. There was definitely one All Ireland threw away in 07 when Harte picked a bogey team and got caught against Meath. The success of 03, 05 & 08 masked the years of underachievement. There was trojan work done in Tyrone long before Harte took on the senior set up. Football camps, Club Tyrone etc. Mickey Harte didn't invent winning. Tyrone has won the National League in 02 and were already a coming team. In reality Tyrone have beaten no one of note in the last 11 years. He is a specialist in failure. He has constantly got caught in Ulster, yet again this being another example. Tyrone county board should ask him to leave.

Under another manager I'm not sure we would have won in 03. I believe we would have been beat by Kerry and not even reached the AI Final. But again that's me surmising just as you have. There's no way to prove either. I believe that 3 AI's within those 7 years was a great return for a county who had zero prior to that. I don't believe we've had a team good enough to win since 2010. Calling Tyrone's most successful manager a specialist in failure is just your usually attempt to over dramatise things.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2019, 02:06:44 PM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.

That team in the 00s was destined to win All Irelands. There was definitely one All Ireland threw away in 07 when Harte picked a bogey team and got caught against Meath. The success of 03, 05 & 08 masked the years of underachievement. There was trojan work done in Tyrone long before Harte took on the senior set up. Football camps, Club Tyrone etc. Mickey Harte didn't invent winning. Tyrone has won the National League in 02 and were already a coming team. In reality Tyrone have beaten no one of note in the last 11 years. He is a specialist in failure. He has constantly got caught in Ulster, yet again this being another example. Tyrone county board should ask him to leave.

Under another manager I'm not sure we would have won in 03. I believe we would have been beat by Kerry and not even reached the AI Final. But again that's me surmising just as you have. There's no way to prove either. I believe that 3 AI's within those 7 years was a great return for a county who had zero prior to that. I don't believe we've had a team good enough to win since 2010. Calling Tyrone's most successful manager a specialist in failure is just your usually attempt to over dramatise things.

He's making attempt at wumming but not succeeding.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2019, 02:07:54 PM
Trueblue in one of those years the captain died too. I don't think the impact that had can be overstated.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Blowitupref on August 19, 2019, 02:14:47 PM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!
I don't think Jim Gavin would have taken Tyrone much further the last 10 years.  Tyrone reaching the last four 4 of the championship 4 times in the last 5 years with a panel of players no where near the quality of their All Ireland winning teams has been a success in itself.

2001 AI quarter final stage exit to Derry and 2002 a round 4 qualifier exit to Sligo in Croke park. Tyrone didn't know if they coming or going before Harte became senior manager in 2003.

Mickey Harte introduced a winning mentality in the business end of the championship. He led Tyrone to three underage All Irelands, minor 1998 and U21 2000,2001 and good number of the players on those sides would then go on to win senior AI's.  For some perspective 1993 to 1999 Tyrone didn't even reach a Ulster U21 final.



Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 19, 2019, 02:17:59 PM
Re the talk of replacing Harte, the risk there is whether he's actually over achieving with this group getting them to the All Ireland semis most years and final last year.

If you compare the current group of players to the team that won All Irelands, there wouldn't be too many getting into the starting line.

Canavan, O'Neill, Mulligan, Dooher, McGuigan - means at most only one of the current crop of forwards would get in. And not too dissimilar at the back.
Now, maybe all that proves is you were blessed to have a really really top team in the past!

Harte is a specialist in failure. Underachieved with Tyrone's golden generation and is under achieving with this bunch. He must be replaced.

Yes with a mere 3 all irelands to a county that had never won one before.

Is that seriously a widely held opinion in Tyrone? I get why people might feel that he should go now and to be honest I think he is probably at the time is up stage but 3 all irelands was most certainly not under achieving??

I don't believe so. I've never heard anyone else saying that. There's many that just think Harte has ran his race and that a change would be good to freshen things up. But I've yet to hear anyone claim that he underachieved in the 00's.

That team in the 00s was destined to win All Irelands. There was definitely one All Ireland threw away in 07 when Harte picked a bogey team and got caught against Meath. The success of 03, 05 & 08 masked the years of underachievement. There was trojan work done in Tyrone long before Harte took on the senior set up. Football camps, Club Tyrone etc. Mickey Harte didn't invent winning. Tyrone has won the National League in 02 and were already a coming team. In reality Tyrone have beaten no one of note in the last 11 years. He is a specialist in failure. He has constantly got caught in Ulster, yet again this being another example. Tyrone county board should ask him to leave.

Yeah but 08 was one they won being huge underdogs so surely that made up for 07? yes they shouldn't have been caught by Meath I would agree.

I think for the period of 03 to 08 he most certainly did not underachieve but after that maybe up for debate. I personally don't think he did. The Cork team that beat Tyrone were just better. The semi with Kerry the other year they were just better. The semi this year I think he could have done more with mind you.

I think if you judge 3 AIs as a failure then you are an incredibly harsh judge.

I do often wonder whether sometimes Ulster always came at a time where his team was not setup to peak yet and he took this hit to aim for bigger prizes. Could be wrong in that but I do think the Donegal result would have been the other way in mid July on.

So if Tyrone weren't peaking in June when exactly were they looking to peak? Didn't seem to happen in July either.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on August 19, 2019, 02:22:10 PM
I recall congratulating a friend who was a Chairman of a club in West Tyrone, a matter of weeks after the 2008 triumph. I was full of praise for the role (I felt) that Harte had played as a tactician, notwithstanding Cavanagh's tour-de-force in that game. His response was something like, "Well, I'm not sure. He's a lucky manager!" I remember saying something to the effect that if you don't want him, we'll take him!!

My friend was a professional person and successful businessman by the way - I add that to basically say that he had a brain between his ears and was not someone to let raw emotion get the better of his judgement. However it underlined to me that Harte was - even in his pomp - a divisive figure.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 19, 2019, 02:35:24 PM
Most football folk in Tyrone know that Tony Donnelly was the tactical brains for the all Ireland winning years. He gone since 2014, replaced by Gavin Devlin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2019, 02:50:09 PM
Most football folk in Tyrone know that Tony Donnelly was the tactical brains for the all Ireland winning years. He gone since 2014, replaced by Gavin Devlin.

So should Trailer be ranting at him instead of MH then?
This tends to be the way these debates go. If your anti Harte, he'll get none of the recognition for the successes and all of the blame for the losses. And vice versa for Harte supporters.     

* As an aside, Tony Donnelly was very important to that set up without a doubt. A pity he left.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 19, 2019, 02:58:40 PM
Most football folk in Tyrone know that Tony Donnelly was the tactical brains for the all Ireland winning years. He gone since 2014, replaced by Gavin Devlin.
Just those winning years? What about the years they didn’t win, that was Harte’s fault?

So just to clarify, when Tyrone won the All Irelands it was because of Tony Donnelly, “football camps”, Club Tyrone and the players.
When Tyrone didn’t win the All Ireland, it was because of Mickey Harte.

Got it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 03:14:18 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: TwoUpTwoDown on August 19, 2019, 03:26:01 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2019, 03:32:16 PM
Most football folk in Tyrone know that Tony Donnelly was the tactical brains for the all Ireland winning years. He gone since 2014, replaced by Gavin Devlin.
Just those winning years? What about the years they didn’t win, that was Harte’s fault?

So just to clarify, when Tyrone won the All Irelands it was because of Tony Donnelly, “football camps”, Club Tyrone and the players.
When Tyrone didn’t win the All Ireland, it was because of Mickey Harte.

Got it.

 ;D Exactly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 19, 2019, 03:37:41 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Wonder this myself. The people who make this claim don't go to many club games in Tyrone I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2019, 04:12:22 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Wonder this myself. The people who make this claim don't go to many club games in Tyrone I think.

Plus the RTE note is nonsense. Him not speaking to RTE doesn't stop him being scrutinised. If anything he gets more than most managers.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 19, 2019, 04:30:07 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 19, 2019, 04:30:34 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

We get this in Armagh all the time. People saying about all the players who are refusing to play for the management but they can never name them. Or name people who had genuine reasons to stop playing inter county
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 04:51:14 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Lee Brennan
Mark Bradley
Ronan O'Neill (granted he's played poorly but maybe a change of manager might turn his fortunes around. He has the talent)
There's 3.

It's ok we've all been seduced by Mickey and his band of yes men. But I plead with you, as a fellow gael, we must cast off the shackles Harte has imprisoned us in and strike now for freedom. We're at a crossroads. The choice is simple. Another season of mediocrity or the potential for greatness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 19, 2019, 05:01:16 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Lee Brennan
Mark Bradley
Ronan O'Neill (granted he's played poorly but maybe a change of manager might turn his fortunes around. He has the talent)
There's 3.

It's ok we've all been seduced by Mickey and his band of yes men. But I plead with you, as a fellow gael, we must cast off the shackles Harte has imprisoned us in and strike now for freedom. We're at a crossroads. The choice is simple. Another season of mediocrity or the potential for greatness.

Mark Bradley was unavailable for the year due to being in England. He'll be back next year with Harte still involved.

Ronan O'Neill isn't good enough. Lee Brennan is good enough to come off the bench but not start as proved in last years semi final versus Monaghan when he couldn't win a ball kicked in to him.

Some crap talked in here. To listen to some of you Tyrone will be winning All Irelands every other year when the manager changes, they won't.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2019, 05:02:20 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Lee Brennan
Mark Bradley
Ronan O'Neill (granted he's played poorly but maybe a change of manager might turn his fortunes around. He has the talent)
There's 3.

It's ok we've all been seduced by Mickey and his band of yes men. But I plead with you, as a fellow gael, we must cast off the shackles Harte has imprisoned us in and strike now for freedom. We're at a crossroads. The choice is simple. Another season of mediocrity or the potential for greatness.

Mark Bradley studying in Liverpool
Ronan O'Neill - Not good enough. On verge for many years. Left in good terms and left door open for return. Would not have impacted Tyrone's year.
Lee Brennan - May have a point, but left cause he wasn't getting the game time as his performances didn't call for him to be an automatic starter. I was disappointed in him myself.



Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 05:06:13 PM
You can call me a wum or whatever doesn't bother me.
This is the truth as I see it. Harte has installed a band of loyal supporters on the county board. He has refused to be scrutinised by the largest media broadcaster in Ireland. His own club mates now sponsor the Tyrone setup. Numerous county players are refusing to play for him. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. We've nothing to lose by ousting the Harte Mafia and everything to gain. We should stretch every sinew for freedom.



Completely on the fence in relation to Harte atm. But humour me, name the county players that are refusing to playe for him/should be involved with Tyrone.

Lee Brennan
Mark Bradley
Ronan O'Neill (granted he's played poorly but maybe a change of manager might turn his fortunes around. He has the talent)
There's 3.

It's ok we've all been seduced by Mickey and his band of yes men. But I plead with you, as a fellow gael, we must cast off the shackles Harte has imprisoned us in and strike now for freedom. We're at a crossroads. The choice is simple. Another season of mediocrity or the potential for greatness.

Mark Bradley took a year out to study abroad. He will be back next year. Ronan O'Neill had ample opportunities and just didn't cut it. Lee Brennan started an All Ireland semi final last year and was very poor. He threw his toys out of the pram this year when he lost his place and was not up for the fight.

This has happened too much of late in the Tyrone squads with lads jacking it halfway through the season. Maybe that kind of attitude is more endemic of why we are failing.

When you commit to a county panel you do it for the year. It's unfair on management and team mates to bail on them in the middle of that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 05:35:33 PM
Thanks to everyone who confirmed my point re: Lee Brennan. He won't play for Harte. Possibly our most lethal attacker.
Re: Bradley. How come players from other counties fly over from England but Mark Bradley won't? Is the reason perhaps the Glencull dictator?
O'Neill - stepped off the panel. Harte wanted him and he wouldn't play.

These are the facts guys.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 19, 2019, 05:37:40 PM
These lads fuckin hate harte and prob can't stand being around him sayin decades of the rosary and bullshit like that. Harte out to f**k now!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tonto1888 on August 19, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
Thanks to everyone who confirmed my point re: Lee Brennan. He won't play for Harte. Possibly our most lethal attacker.
Re: Bradley. How come players from other counties fly over from England but Mark Bradley won't? Is the reason perhaps the Glencull dictator?
O'Neill - stepped off the panel. Harte wanted him and he wouldn't play.

These are the facts guys.

Bradley is doing a PGCE isn’t he? Not great for his future career if he is going off to ireland every weekend
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 19, 2019, 05:43:04 PM
Thanks to everyone who confirmed my point re: Lee Brennan. He won't play for Harte. Possibly our most lethal attacker.
Re: Bradley. How come players from other counties fly over from England but Mark Bradley won't? Is the reason perhaps the Glencull dictator?
O'Neill - stepped off the panel. Harte wanted him and he wouldn't play.

These are the facts guys.
O’Neill would have been better stepping away from the fridge. He wasn’t going to make it and gave up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 19, 2019, 05:47:19 PM
Thanks to everyone who confirmed my point re: Lee Brennan. He won't play for Harte. Possibly our most lethal attacker.
Re: Bradley. How come players from other counties fly over from England but Mark Bradley won't? Is the reason perhaps the Glencull dictator?
O'Neill - stepped off the panel. Harte wanted him and he wouldn't play.

These are the facts guys.
O’Neill would have been better stepping away from the fridge. He wasn’t going to make it and gave up.
ah yeah boys having a go at Ronan o Neill for walking. Yous were glad of him last year when he created the match winning goal in extra time against meath to keep us in the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: hardstation on August 19, 2019, 05:50:37 PM
He walked away because he couldn’t get on. He couldn’t get on because he couldn’t get himself into the physical condition for inter county football. You can pin that on Mickey Harte if you want but it isn’t going to wash.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 19, 2019, 05:58:37 PM
He walked away because he couldn’t get on. He couldn’t get on because he couldn’t get himself into the physical condition for inter county football. You can pin that on Mickey Harte if you want but it isn’t going to wash.
yeah maybe we need less gym bunnies and more footballers.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 19, 2019, 06:20:39 PM
These lads fuckin hate harte and prob can't stand being around him sayin decades of the rosary and bullshit like that. Harte out to f**k now!

Keep her lit lads, brilliant stuff. 8)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Rossfan on August 19, 2019, 07:15:33 PM
The Tyronies tearing into themselves  ;D
Obviously expected to win Sam this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 19, 2019, 07:34:01 PM
Thanks to everyone who confirmed my point re: Lee Brennan. He won't play for Harte. Possibly our most lethal attacker.
Re: Bradley. How come players from other counties fly over from England but Mark Bradley won't? Is the reason perhaps the Glencull dictator?
O'Neill - stepped off the panel. Harte wanted him and he wouldn't play.

These are the facts guys.

😀 Fact!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 19, 2019, 07:45:43 PM
Has anyone got any links to post match interviews were RTE reporters scrutinise the managers?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: imtommygunn on August 19, 2019, 09:31:56 PM
Thanks to everyone who confirmed my point re: Lee Brennan. He won't play for Harte. Possibly our most lethal attacker.
Re: Bradley. How come players from other counties fly over from England but Mark Bradley won't? Is the reason perhaps the Glencull dictator?
O'Neill - stepped off the panel. Harte wanted him and he wouldn't play.

These are the facts guys.

😀 Fact!!

How many players from other counties travel from England?? I know there was a Fermanagh guy did for a while there but haven’t heard of many??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Dire Ear on August 19, 2019, 10:09:24 PM
New thread please, it’s time to move the f##k on !!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 19, 2019, 10:24:59 PM
I will not be censored
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 19, 2019, 10:44:37 PM
Even if you follow the line that 3 players are not in the squad because of Harte, no one has named a single other player missing from the squad who stands out in club football as county grade footballers.

Therefore, general agreement that the current squad is about 90 to 95% of the best players in the county and those absent or absenting themselves are at best fringe players.

So, either the current squad are not good enough to win an All Ireland or they are as good man or man with players in Mayo, Kerry, or Dublin and lack management to reach their potential.

Most observers would agree that the current Tyrone squad has not reached a stage where the players are as good as the top 3 teams on a man for man basis. 

The statistics prove that the tactical systems being used with these players have not enabled them to beat any of the top 3 teams in their last 11 championship games.



Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 19, 2019, 11:21:25 PM
Even if you follow the line that 3 players are not in the squad because of Harte, no one has named a single other player missing from the squad who stands out in club football as county grade footballers.

Therefore, general agreement that the current squad is about 90 to 95% of the best players in the county and those absent or absenting themselves are at best fringe players.

So, either the current squad are not good enough to win an All Ireland or they are as good man or man with players in Mayo, Kerry, or Dublin and lack management to reach their potential.

Most observers would agree that the current Tyrone squad has not reached a stage where the players are as good as the top 3 teams on a man for man basis. 

The statistics prove that the tactical systems being used with these players have not enabled them to beat any of the top 3 teams in their last 11 championship games.

I certainly wouldn't say we're far off if not better than Mayo, Kerry, Donegal etc but what's that really? 2 bald men fighting over a fine tooth comb, reality is that the only race that really exists is the one to get beaten by Dublin in the final. The super 8s have proven that there is not a whole pile of difference between the top 6/7 teams below Dublin.

For me Dublin are at their peak now, they're evolving and getting better every year, for a while after the 2014 disaster against Donegal they were a bit spooked by massed defences and weren't that comfortable against. Those question marks were still there before the 2017 semi against Tyrone and they just blew them away. Since then they can play it anyway and are comfortable in doing so.

I think Kerry could get massacred in the final, a lot of those guys are young and inexperienced and won't have played Dublin in a Championship game at Croke Park. I would say half of the side that started v Tryone have not done so and I think they will be in for a rude awakening. While Dublin are getting better, none of the other challengers currently are near the level of Mayo 3/4 years back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:10:27 PM
Even if you follow the line that 3 players are not in the squad because of Harte, no one has named a single other player missing from the squad who stands out in club football as county grade footballers.

Therefore, general agreement that the current squad is about 90 to 95% of the best players in the county and those absent or absenting themselves are at best fringe players.

So, either the current squad are not good enough to win an All Ireland or they are as good man or man with players in Mayo, Kerry, or Dublin and lack management to reach their potential.

Most observers would agree that the current Tyrone squad has not reached a stage where the players are as good as the top 3 teams on a man for man basis. 

The statistics prove that the tactical systems being used with these players have not enabled them to beat any of the top 3 teams in their last 11 championship games.

I certainly wouldn't say we're far off if not better than Mayo, Kerry, Donegal etc but what's that really? 2 bald men fighting over a fine tooth comb, reality is that the only race that really exists is the one to get beaten by Dublin in the final. The super 8s have proven that there is not a whole pile of difference between the top 6/7 teams below Dublin.

For me Dublin are at their peak now, they're evolving and getting better every year, for a while after the 2014 disaster against Donegal they were a bit spooked by massed defences and weren't that comfortable against. Those question marks were still there before the 2017 semi against Tyrone and they just blew them away. Since then they can play it anyway and are comfortable in doing so.

I think Kerry could get massacred in the final, a lot of those guys are young and inexperienced and won't have played Dublin in a Championship game at Croke Park. I would say half of the side that started v Tryone have not done so and I think they will be in for a rude awakening. While Dublin are getting better, none of the other challengers currently are near the level of Mayo 3/4 years back.

The Kerry team will not carry any of the baggage of failure against the Dubs into the final unlike Mayo and Tyrone. So, they might well hold out longer than either of the other two semi finalists in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 20, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: RedHand88 on August 20, 2019, 10:53:37 PM
Why are Mayo and Kerry "the big three"??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 21, 2019, 07:31:47 AM
Why are Mayo and Kerry "the big three"??
I'd say because they have been in more semi finals and finals than the other counties in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: tyroneman on August 21, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 21, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 21, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 21, 2019, 09:11:22 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

If not Tyrone I can only assume you have Donegal in the top 4 then? But Tyrone knocked Donegal out when it mattered last year, so surely that was beating a team of note? They also got further than them in the championship in 4 of the last 5 years and have beaten them in 3 of the 4 championship games played, two of them by over 5 points.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: southtyronegael on August 21, 2019, 09:15:08 AM
Tyrone are easily in the top 5 no question. Next step is to break into the top 3.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Angelo on August 21, 2019, 09:21:24 AM
Top 2, 3, 4, 5 etc.

Not really a while pile in and what does it matter anyway? It's like a bunch of bald men fighting over a tooth comb. There are no prizes for being 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Dublin are going to win their 5th at a canter.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Armagh18 on August 21, 2019, 09:42:09 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?
Them bateing yas?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 21, 2019, 09:58:15 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: BennyHarp on August 21, 2019, 10:07:31 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

We beat Donegal last year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 21, 2019, 10:10:31 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 21, 2019, 10:13:17 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 21, 2019, 10:30:26 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.

I'm not in knots. So if we beat a team 2 years ago but lose to them this year we're better than them? Is that what were saying?
We're great at beating Roscommon, Monaghan and the likes. We can boss Ulster in January, 37 McKenna Cups and counting. But when it comes to Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, actual good teams, at the business end of the season, not so much.


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 21, 2019, 10:53:43 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.

I'm not in knots. So if we beat a team 2 years ago but lose to them this year we're better than them? Is that what were saying?
We're great at beating Roscommon, Monaghan and the likes. We can boss Ulster in January, 37 McKenna Cups and counting. But when it comes to Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, actual good teams, at the business end of the season, not so much.

We beat them last year, they beat us this year, we've progressed farther than then in 4 out of the last 5 years including this year. At the very least we are on a level.  Dublin and Mayo (2012-2017) were better teams than us. Kerry beat us this year in a game that we could have won. I would have fancied our chances against Mayo as well. Dublin are well above the rest. And there's little between Kerry, Mayo, Donegal and Tyrone. And we'll be in the same bunch next year all going well. Winning an AI is hard and doesn't happen that often for counties outside Dublin and Kerry. Ask Mayo FFS
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 21, 2019, 11:00:14 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.

I'm not in knots. So if we beat a team 2 years ago but lose to them this year we're better than them? Is that what were saying?
We're great at beating Roscommon, Monaghan and the likes. We can boss Ulster in January, 37 McKenna Cups and counting. But when it comes to Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, actual good teams, at the business end of the season, not so much.

We beat Donegal last August, that was 1 year ago. You were the person who said anyone who thinks Tyrone are top 4 are deluded but cant seem to make a decent argument for who the 4th best team is. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that a team who has reached the top 4 in 4 of the last 5 championships aren't a top 4 team.

We haven't been able to push on to the very next level but it's very easy to blame this on the manager and ignore the fact that perhaps the players have been just slightly below the level. Tyrone were totally on top in the first half v Kerry with the tactics working well. In the second half the players made a number of bad decisions at key times giving Kerry the initiative. And there is no doubt they are the best players in Tyrone with Bradley the only one missing that would make a difference and there was a good reason for his absence.

 Would they have done differently under a different manger, very unlikely.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trailer on August 21, 2019, 11:10:56 AM
The Tyrone record against the big three of Dublin, Kerry and Mayo since the last win in 2008 doesn't make for great reading. 

The numbers don't lie, they just need to be interpreted. Certainly the figures contradict the high opinion afforded to Tyrone by pundits and supporters alike.



They’re clearly not in the top 3 but they’re not awfully far behind Mayo and Kerry, I’d certainly have Donegal ahead of them at the minute as well.

Based on what?

Based on the Ulster Semi final probably. You know, when they bate them.
Tyrone people are deluded if you think we're in the top 4. We've beaten no one of note in the last 11 years.

I hate this ridiculous argument about top 4, but i’ll Humour you. If you Tyrone people are “deluded” about Tyrone being fourth (we’ll say for argument sake Kerry and Mayo are 2nd and 3rd), which counties outside of those twohave Tyrone not beaten recently when it mattered most? I.e. at the knock out, do or die stage of the championship? I’ll remind you that Tyrone beat Donegal, in Ballybofey, last year when it really mattered. Ask Monaghan about their record after beating us in Ulster. Perhaps Galway? Who couldn’t beat Roscommon, or the Rossies themselves maybe? No evidence needed here 😂😂😂 What about Cork? Meath? Kildare? Armagh perhaps? I think you’ll also find Tyrone have more All Ireland final and semi final appearances in the last 5 years than those counties combined have achieved in that same time period. So I am keen to know, do you understand what the word “deluded” means?

Love it. 2 years ago we bate Donegal, but lost this year to them, but we're still better than them. We bate Dublin in 08, 11 years ago. Are we still better than them?
If anything this proves the slide under Harte. Donegal are progressing and we're not. Only for 2 very fortunate super 8 draws we'd have been nowhere near this years AISF or last years AIF. This is reality, time we faced up to it. We're nowhere near and we're going to be nowhere near unless we dump this specialist in failure one Mickey Harte.

According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.
Don't be tying him up in knots. Mickeys a specialist in failure. Fact.

I'm not in knots. So if we beat a team 2 years ago but lose to them this year we're better than them? Is that what were saying?
We're great at beating Roscommon, Monaghan and the likes. We can boss Ulster in January, 37 McKenna Cups and counting. But when it comes to Kerry, Mayo, Dublin, actual good teams, at the business end of the season, not so much.

We beat Donegal last August, that was 1 year ago. You were the person who said anyone who thinks Tyrone are top 4 are deluded but cant seem to make a decent argument for who the 4th best team is. I'm not sure how anyone can argue that a team who has reached the top 4 in 4 of the last 5 championships aren't a top 4 team.

We haven't been able to push on to the very next level but it's very easy to blame this on the manager and ignore the fact that perhaps the players have been just slightly below the level. Tyrone were totally on top in the first half v Kerry with the tactics working well. In the second half the players made a number of bad decisions at key times giving Kerry the initiative. And there is no doubt they are the best players in Tyrone with Bradley the only one missing that would make a difference and there was a good reason for his absence.

 Would they have done differently under a different manger, very unlikely.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. That's the level we're at. Harte is not the solution.
Anyway everyone knows where I stand on the issue. Can't wait to win the McKenna cup next year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 21, 2019, 11:19:02 AM
This is comedy gold, Tyronies out doing each other with shit talk. Future is bright lads you will get your McKenna cup next year and probably have a crack at Ulster.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 21, 2019, 11:27:59 AM
Close it lads or leave it - turning into a car crash!


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 21, 2019, 11:59:39 AM
This is comedy gold, Tyronies out doing each other with shit talk. Future is bright lads you will get your McKenna cup next year and probably have a crack at Ulster.  ;D

 :D Enjoy it while it lasts. I'm sure your days away from your usual melt down and ban.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 21, 2019, 12:05:50 PM

Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: greatpoint on August 21, 2019, 01:50:47 PM
According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.

At what stage during the summer do Tyrone peak? Because they've been well beaten in Ulster and then well beaten in the All-Ireland series the last couple of years. If you want to compare Tyrone and Donegal this year look at the Ulster semi-final the two played and then look at their respective games against Kerry. Donegal probably should have beaten them with a massively depleted squad whereas a couple of weeks later Tyrone had nothing in response once Kerry stepped up a gear. Donegal's squad would be significantly younger than Tyrone's as well would it not?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 21, 2019, 02:05:58 PM
Why are Mayo and Kerry "the big three"??

They form two of the three teams that have been at the top since 2008 and according to the results have been unbeaten by Tyrone in the championship since 2008.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: t_mac on August 21, 2019, 02:27:22 PM
According to you Donegal are a top 4 team. Last year we were pitted with them and the Dubs so the group contained 2 of the top 4. How was that a soft draw? I'd say Donegal would have beaten us in ulster last year as well as Tyrone are slow starters to the championship aiming to peak later on. I would say the fact we have got further than Donegal in 4 of the last 5 years championships is a fair reflection that we've been ahead of them during this period.

 It's crazy the way they keep getting talked up with all these fresh tactics etc while Tyrone have terrible tactics but still end up getting further year on year.

At what stage during the summer do Tyrone peak? Because they've been well beaten in Ulster and then well beaten in the All-Ireland series the last couple of years. If you want to compare Tyrone and Donegal this year look at the Ulster semi-final the two played and then look at their respective games against Kerry. Donegal probably should have beaten them with a massively depleted squad whereas a couple of weeks later Tyrone had nothing in response once Kerry stepped up a gear. Donegal's squad would be significantly younger than Tyrone's as well would it not?

Mid January.  ;)


Title: Re: Tyrone v Kerry - All-Ireland Semi-Final, Sunday 11th August 3.30pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 21, 2019, 02:40:13 PM