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Title: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SCFC on July 30, 2019, 06:41:43 PM
Sugrue gone. :-[
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: South Laois man on July 30, 2019, 06:50:49 PM
That's a huge setback. No obvious candidates to take over either. I hope we don't go back to journey man managers.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Heshs Umpire on July 30, 2019, 06:55:55 PM
I really wasn't expecting that. Big blow. Next appointment is vital. Let's hope we do as well as we did when appointing John.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: steven seagal on July 30, 2019, 07:08:20 PM
Shocked to hear that, was hoping he would be around for at least two more years. He put a huge amount of time into it, it cant be easy to give that much commitment, run a business and rear a family as well. He'll be hard to replace. Best wishes to him in the future.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on July 30, 2019, 07:10:54 PM
Huge loss. Thought we might have got another year out of him. Best of luck to him in whatever he does next. I can see him potentially getting the Kerry role somewhere down the line.

As for who's going to come in now, not easy to predict. No obvious candidates inside Laois. Padraig Clancy is the only one I can think of that might be up to scratch, but not even sure at that.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 30, 2019, 07:22:16 PM
He probably will have to do something else at IC level to get the Kerry job, whether it is the Kerry senior backroom team again, the Kerry Minor/u21s, or another senior IC job.
That job is not handed out too easily.

No idea where you could now. But those in positions of power should ensure that John Evans et al (and no doubt several of them will apply) donít get an interview.

2 slightly left field ones - Niall Rigney or Liam Kearns back again? Bearing in mind what ye managerís actual role is?
Presuming Jack Oí Connor couldnít be convinced we probably need to do all we can to avoid outside spoofers.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Joeythelips on July 30, 2019, 07:34:59 PM
Was a bit shocked but fair play to Sugrue. He did great work to get back to back promotions and he blooded plenty of players. We need to find someone with a similar mindset as we will have some decent players coming through over the next year or two from the u-20's.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on July 30, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
Ask him to reconsider. Alternatives don't exist for Laois. There is nobody out there within our reach who could come close to him. I thought he was on the start of a journey, not the end. Hugely disappointing news
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on July 30, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
To me, there often seemed to be a note of frustration in his post match interviews. It appeared to me that he was frustrated that he was not getting he best out of the team.

There is no obvious replacement, but I hope that the county board look hard for a good man.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: recyclebin on July 30, 2019, 09:00:41 PM
Did he release a statement saying why? Laois were on the way back up. Strange that he is stepping away now. Division 2 would have been a good test for his management skills if he wanted a bigger job down the line.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 30, 2019, 09:35:01 PM
Thanks John
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 30, 2019, 09:36:19 PM
He probably will have to do something else at IC level to get the Kerry job, whether it is the Kerry senior backroom team again, the Kerry Minor/u21s, or another senior IC job.
That job is not handed out too easily.

No idea where you could now. But those in positions of power should ensure that John Evans et al (and no doubt several of them will apply) donít get an interview.

2 slightly left field ones - Niall Rigney or Liam Kearns back again? Bearing in mind what ye managerís actual role is?
Presuming Jack Oí Connor couldnít be convinced we probably need to do all we can to avoid outside spoofers.

Liam Kearns, Niall Rigney seriously ? 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: thejuice on July 30, 2019, 09:36:46 PM
Strange decision alright even if things always didnít go your way, like the league final and the Meath and Cork games but there are teams in much worse positions than Laois and thereís a bit of talent still there in the squad and a good bit of experience too.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 30, 2019, 09:43:17 PM
He probably will have to do something else at IC level to get the Kerry job, whether it is the Kerry senior backroom team again, the Kerry Minor/u21s, or another senior IC job.
That job is not handed out too easily.

No idea where you could now. But those in positions of power should ensure that John Evans et al (and no doubt several of them will apply) donít get an interview.

2 slightly left field ones - Niall Rigney or Liam Kearns back again? Bearing in mind what ye managerís actual role is?
Presuming Jack Oí Connor couldnít be convinced we probably need to do all we can to avoid outside spoofers.

Liam Kearns, Niall Rigney seriously ?

As I said "left field". Have no problem with an opposing opinion- but I do prefer when an actual critique is given, or at the very least some alternatives!
I think you could make a very strong case for Liam Kearns.
Rigney is a former intercounty manager and an extremely experienced coach.
As I said, bear in mind the actual role of the manager.
I am not pushing for or promoting either, just racking my head for suitable "possibles". There aren't too many!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: on the hop on July 30, 2019, 09:53:30 PM
Jerome stack wouldnít be a bad outside bet
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on July 30, 2019, 10:17:44 PM
This doesn't look good for us. If a man walks away from a job after being successful and is highly regarded, does that man feel he can't do any more? I'm hoping we hear from him and I'm hoping he talks about the huge commitment required and/or wanting to spend more time with the family. Anything else will make this an impossible sell and God knows what Bozo we'll end up with
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Countyminor on July 30, 2019, 10:20:33 PM
Be interesting to see what Sugrue does now. My guess is he takes another sabbatical. Having a young family and being self employed are only compatible with intercounty commitments for so long
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 30, 2019, 10:35:14 PM
This doesn't look good for us. If a man walks away from a job after being successful and is highly regarded, does that man feel he can't do any more? I'm hoping we hear from him and I'm hoping he talks about the huge commitment required and/or wanting to spend more time with the family. Anything else will make this an impossible sell and God knows what Bozo we'll end up with

Iíd say unfortunately that may be the case.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 30, 2019, 10:56:51 PM
This doesn't look good for us. If a man walks away from a job after being successful and is highly regarded, does that man feel he can't do any more? I'm hoping we hear from him and I'm hoping he talks about the huge commitment required and/or wanting to spend more time with the family. Anything else will make this an impossible sell and God knows what Bozo we'll end up with

Iíd say unfortunately that may be the case.
Itís a cert itís because of family and work.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on July 30, 2019, 11:07:20 PM
I hope you're right Don. If I thought for a minute he was pushed or going elsewhere, bar Kerry, I'd blow a gasket. He's been the best thing to happen to Laois football in a long time
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on July 30, 2019, 11:27:30 PM
He did bring an intelligence to the whole thing that will be hard to replace. I canít see that any of the usual suspects would be an adequate replacement.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on July 30, 2019, 11:33:47 PM
I was hoping he might take the 20s as well. It was increasing his involvement, not terminating it, that I had in mind.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The Boy Wonder on July 31, 2019, 12:07:52 AM
Very disappointing news but thank you John Sugrue.
Getting us back up from Division 4 to Division 2 was a testament to his ability - he had the skillset and did an excellent job.
I think we all would have wished him to continue.

Anyway, whether it was to be John or a new manager there was always going to be a rebuilding job to be done.
Obviously the backbone of our team is ageing but we we do have some bright prospects emerging from Under-20.
The new man will have his work cut out to consolidate our place in Division 2 while blooding younger lads in the process.

Whoever is chosen I just hope he can do as least as good a job as John Sugrue has done.







Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 31, 2019, 12:14:57 AM
Rather than outsiders would prefer we go internal and risk it, Cotter, Kearns etc iíd rather our own than the usual catwalk of also rans
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 31, 2019, 12:20:23 AM
Rather than outsiders would prefer we go internal and risk it, Cotter, Kearns etc iíd rather our own than the usual catwalk of also rans

At their age and level of experience I think it would be mad not to pair an experienced MANAGER with them.
The continuity of having them involved would however be a positive.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 31, 2019, 02:56:39 AM
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He wonít. Also have manners you cur.

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Horrendous post. Should be deleted.


Lads, the original post seems to have been removed, suggest you delete your replies quoting it
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: welcomehome on July 31, 2019, 08:53:55 AM
Well done john..u did a great job for the last few years..Hopefully we will get a good man to take over..personally i didnt think they moved as good this year as last year.didnt think some of the players had the same hunger..
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on July 31, 2019, 09:12:33 AM
The Laois Today article says it all. The greatest list of Can't Haves and Don't Wants ever compiled. No harm intended to the lads
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Andy06 on July 31, 2019, 09:33:20 AM
Well thats us goosed!
Can't underestimate the job Sugrue has done. Never mind the work with the seniors which was his basic remit, but also the setting up of the Laois "area" championship last year to take a look at more lads, it was a super idea and shows the initiative of the man.
I would assume its for family reasons as it was clearly a project that he was building and I have no doubt he would have been eager to test him and his teams abilities against better teams.

Wonder how far the County Board went to keep him here, did they pre-empt any of  this, or did they try reach out to him as soon as the season finished to discuss a suitable arrangement for staying on. I have a feeling they did diddly squat!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on July 31, 2019, 09:47:17 AM
Desperately sad that John couldn't continue. Hard to find that mix of knowledge, vision, passion, enthusiasm and leadership. He did a great job and I personally hoped he would be in the job for another 10 years.

I would rather we took a chance on a young ambitious and forward thinking replacement than a journeyman. Laois are going to be in transition for 3-4 years now as our stalwarts bow out and are replaced with younger guys. The quality of the set-up will be key to whether it is a successful transition.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 31, 2019, 10:08:27 AM
The Laois Today article says it all. The greatest list of Can't Haves and Don't Wants ever compiled. No harm intended to the lads

Personally I think there are a few good contenders here, especially Malachy O'Rourke or Jack O'Connor. Can't Haves only exist if they are not asked, think big and anything is possible.

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/07/31/15-potential-candidates-for-the-laois-football-managers-job/
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on July 31, 2019, 10:19:06 AM
I think the Squealers have first call on him Junior. We're going to find out very quickly that we had a good man in place and replacing him won't be easy. I'm not interested in new coaches until I know why Sugrue left. We'll know more about our future direction then
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: redsetanta on July 31, 2019, 10:46:59 AM
https://soundcloud.com/user-550792397/chris-conway-on-john-sugrue?fbclid=IwAR3-FT4DHQ5w8fYhzTC-CP17qQK9y2th4wi72xZmtDj_N8QtXjJ7AReNRAw (https://soundcloud.com/user-550792397/chris-conway-on-john-sugrue?fbclid=IwAR3-FT4DHQ5w8fYhzTC-CP17qQK9y2th4wi72xZmtDj_N8QtXjJ7AReNRAw)

Chris Conways take on things.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 31, 2019, 11:04:15 AM
There is no doubt we had a good man in John Sugrue, what I really liked about him was the way he was investing in the future by running the area league and bringing on some good young players.
 
Our next appointment is vital if we are to continue with the progress we have made under John.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on July 31, 2019, 11:29:54 AM
To be honest, I'd say there's some reason why Sugrue left outside of family and business committments. I don't know that for sure, but I'm very surprised he's left at this time. He was building something up and was just getting started (it seemed), having built a good foundation. He doesn't strike me as a man who just gives that up unless something very negative happened. I certainly don't know this for sure but I'd guess there's some other reason there. Maybe we won't find that out eitherway.

It's hard to look at other possible managers at this time.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Leixlad on July 31, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
A huge loss - massive blow to all  of Laois football and wont be easily replaced. Best wishes to John whatever he does. 
Give it to Cheddar  8)
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on July 31, 2019, 05:26:18 PM
Let's ask him to stay on, because there is nothing exciting about the options that Laois Today has put forward.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Batman!!! on July 31, 2019, 05:59:57 PM
Ignore Laois Today. Itís just click bait. End of story. Hasnít been one proper story on it all year. Our County Board need now to take their time when appointing someone new. Probably the biggest appointment in the history of the senior footballers been honest
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on July 31, 2019, 06:08:57 PM
Hpefully, the County Board will ensure that the Divisional Championhip is a permanent part of the Laois GAA calendar from now on.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on July 31, 2019, 06:50:16 PM
Hpefully, the County Board will ensure that the Divisional Championhip is a permanent part of the Laois GAA calendar from now on.

Agreed. That area championship helps tell the difference between good club players and good county players. It also raised funds for a great cause, so it's a no brainer really.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Mad Mentor on July 31, 2019, 07:45:03 PM
The Laois manager's job is a far more attractive position today, to any prospective manager than it was two years ago - which is a huge credit to Sugrue. A squad that are going forward with the potential to challenge for the Super 8's and playing in Division two should entice a few genuine contenders you would hope. There must be some young ambitious managers out there looking to do the footballing equivalent of Eddie Brennan. A journeyman is precisely what we don't need now.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on July 31, 2019, 08:13:21 PM
Stephen Rochford and …amonn Fitzmaurice two names I'd like to see been mentioned . Rochford not going to stay a  number 2 forever and Fitzmaurice is will eventually be eager to return to inter county management after his sabbatical.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on July 31, 2019, 08:48:45 PM
Stephen Rochford and …amonn Fitzmaurice two names I'd like to see been mentioned . Rochford not going to stay a  number 2 forever and Fitzmaurice is will eventually be eager to return to inter county management after his sabbatical.

I'd be shocked if either of them would be interested in managing Laois. They've managed All-Ireland challenging teams in Mayo and Kerry respectively. I know we've improved and have a bit of potential, but I don't think either will fancy it.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Butch Cassidy on July 31, 2019, 10:16:39 PM
Surprised Malachy McNulty isn't been mentioned, did good work with Portlaoise and Laois have talent from within that we should be developing.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on July 31, 2019, 10:22:55 PM
Let's ask him to stay on, because there is nothing exciting about the options that Laois Today has put forward.

Until I hear the reason for his departure, he remains for me the best candidate for the job. I personally don't want anyone else in there. The statement told us he was leaving and nothing else. I have enough distrust of our CB not to leave it at that. If he comes out and gives valid reasons for leaving, then fair enough. Until then, I'm growing increasingly sceptical and be damned with talk of a replacement. f**k it even Cian O Neill gave a parting statement and the Squealers hated him. Sugrue was universally well got, so I'd like to hear what he has to say. Now that would be worth reading
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The PRO on August 01, 2019, 12:35:46 AM
I wonder could Dessie Farrell be approached? Good record with Dublin minors and doesn't seem to be with anyone. Would he be a football version of Fast Eddie B?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 01, 2019, 12:47:07 AM
What would Laois Today suggest/post about/podcast about if here didn't exist?!
Think they eventually came up with the name of John Divilly to basically avoid being a podcast reviewing this forum. Total lack of fresh ideas. Some of their spoutings on their hurling preview were laughable. The "great" Tommy Buggy was on holidays. Nobody within Laois they could have splashed out on to preview the SHC? Especially after our most succesful IC year in many moons.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 01, 2019, 06:10:22 AM
I've been critical of LT in the past, but in fairness, their live feed for games and match reports are excellent. That said, there's a story to be told here and someone needs to tell it. Neither they nor the CB were on the ball if they were happy to trot out the "John's Gone Let's Move On" story. The man was too well regarded for that. Real journalism knows how to read the room, ask the right questions and form an opinion. What John Sugrue has to say means more to me right now than the madness of getting a new coach. We can't move forward until we know why we've stalled
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 01, 2019, 06:24:20 AM
I wonder could Dessie Farrell be approached? Good record with Dublin minors and doesn't seem to be with anyone. Would he be a football version of Fast Eddie B?
Funny you mention Eddie.

Dessie is in the Dublin hurling backroom team sent packing by Eddie.

And Eddie lived and worked in Laois.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The PRO on August 01, 2019, 06:30:16 AM
I wonder could Dessie Farrell be approached? Good record with Dublin minors and doesn't seem to be with anyone. Would he be a football version of Fast Eddie B?
Funny you mention Eddie.

Dessie is in the Dublin hurling backroom team sent packing by Eddie.

And Eddie lived and worked in Laois.
Didn't know that about Dessie Farrell. I actually wouldn't be a fan of him after his GPA time. But he appears to be a good coach, no?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 01, 2019, 08:53:00 AM
Sugrue did a good job with Laois at a bad time for Laois and really it seems like he has the hard work done in terms of weeding out his squad and bringing fresh faces in. With Division 2 and 2 years conditioning under these lads its a surprise he left.

Its a pity we didn't hear why he left , if only just to stop the endless rumors doing the rounds about certain groups of players and /or our CB etc.

If he ends up with Kildare as coach or manager it will be some kick in the teeth to Laois football.I'd say thats unlikely and I would probably say his next move will be to a top club team.

As to where we go from here I dont know, there are no credible options within  the county at the minute and as for outsiders we dont have the money to get a top manager.I suspect  another journeyman incoming or else taking a total punt on an Eddie Brennan type recently retired player .

It seems every ounce of optimism that was built up in Laois football over the past 18 months or so has now disappeared.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 01, 2019, 09:04:36 AM
Good post PK. Optimism is an appropriate word. Players get involved because of that optimism. People start following the team and put their money down because of optimism. Sugrue created that optimism. My optimism is shot right now and will be until I hear why he stepped down.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Jd on August 01, 2019, 09:20:30 AM
Has it occurred that heís stepped down for personal reasons and itís not being reported out of respect for his privacy. Heís a good honorable family man and family comes first. Iím terribly disappointed that heís gone but Iím sure his reasons are solid and he doesnít need to tell the county his business. After all he isnít being paid and didnít have a contract
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 01, 2019, 09:25:02 AM
It seems every ounce of optimism that was built up in Laois football over the past 18 months or so has now disappeared.

I definitely wouldn't go that far - we've made huge progress over the past 2 years. But until the managerial position is sorted, it's on pause for now. Hopefully CB aren't stupid enough to get evans or l.dempsey or one of those. Would personally love if the sugrue situation could be resolved and he comes back - stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 01, 2019, 09:32:30 AM
Has it occurred that heís stepped down for personal reasons and itís not being reported out of respect for his privacy. Heís a good honorable family man and family comes first. Iím terribly disappointed that heís gone but Iím sure his reasons are solid and he doesnít need to tell the county his business. After all he isnít being paid and didnít have a contract

I could accept that. And you can say that in a statement, just like you have, and everyone would walk away. However, our CB have made too many bad appointments, and made too many bad decisions, to be given impunity. I trust Sugrue more than them and I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 01, 2019, 10:10:17 AM
Has it occurred that heís stepped down for personal reasons and itís not being reported out of respect for his privacy. Heís a good honorable family man and family comes first. Iím terribly disappointed that heís gone but Iím sure his reasons are solid and he doesnít need to tell the county his business. After all he isnít being paid and didnít have a contract

I could accept that. And you can say that in a statement, just like you have, and everyone would walk away. However, our CB have made too many bad appointments, and made too many bad decisions, to be given impunity. I trust Sugrue more than them and I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth

Perhaps Laois Today could interview John Sugrue, or even some one from the county board, instead of basing their articles on what they read here.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 01, 2019, 10:20:46 AM
I don't think he's the kind of man that would be making statements about difficulties with the county board (or whoever). That wouldn't be his style. I have no idea what the reasons are but I doubt we'll be hearing them from the horses mouth.

It would be good however to know what the County Board did to try to keep him in place. Surely the clubs and supporters could reasonably ask that question?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on August 01, 2019, 10:32:22 AM
Im going to throw the name Mick Bohan into the pot. Dublin ladies manager, worked with Jim Gavin as a selector, did very well with Clare.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 01, 2019, 10:50:07 AM
I wonder could Dessie Farrell be approached? Good record with Dublin minors and doesn't seem to be with anyone. Would he be a football version of Fast Eddie B?

Dessie over Na Fianna.. he only has one job on his radar..

Mick Bohan would be a good candidate as mentioned above.

Sugrue is a hard act to follow tho lads, will be in the mind of anyone new to inter county management that has aspirations
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 01, 2019, 10:50:53 AM
If they don't have a clear passion or vision for Laois, or a shit-hot CV then I personally would not like to see one of these backroom lads / former selectors.

That is, would love to see a big name like Malachy O'Rourke or Rory Gallagher. Failing that, start looking at local lads like Clancy, Higgins, Billy Sheehan. Billy in particular seems to be unpopular with some of the folks on here but there would be no shortage of passion and drive.

Of course it would be great to have Sugrue back but that rarely happens. 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Countyminor on August 01, 2019, 10:58:22 AM
Billy Sheehan would be my insider pick. Got a lot of stick from absolute clowns who couldn't kick a ball themselves to save their lives during his career. He'd take no prisoners as well. Anyone who knows Billy would tell you just how articulate and methodical he is. Wouldn't mind seeing Clancy getting it alternatively.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 01, 2019, 11:04:28 AM
Maybe I was harsh on LT there, and maybe their list being so similar to this thread is symptomatic of the lack of options we have.

From what I know of Sugrue you can be guaranteed
1. There will be no parting shots fired type statement
2. He wonít be changing his mind next week & walking back into the job
3. He wonít be heading North up the M7 because he was offered a few quid more.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 01, 2019, 11:18:26 AM
Billy Sheehan is not an insider pick,  he is merely serving his own C.V as he did when he played for Emo and Laois.  Be he a success or failure he adds nothing long term to Laois.  Sugrue long term even now will benefit Laois.  Whatever reasons he left I doubt itís to manage another county. Billy is an outsider the same as Micko (utterly useless long term) and all the others we choose to waste our money on for short term success.  Give it to someone in Laois,  good or bad he will be better for the experience.  I am for Malachy, Clancy, Kearns or Cotter all are risky but all will be giving back to Laois football in 50 years.  If Billy wants to come down live in Laois train a club, I have no objection.  But itís high time, we copped on to ourselves improve our own coaching rather than waste time on what are high risk outsiders anyway.  No objection to paying outsiders to help our management but the top job must remain within.

We need to make our own coaches better.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: From the Terrace on August 01, 2019, 11:30:41 AM
Im with high fielder on this. Need to hear from sugrue about his decision. If he says Family & Business to look after first that is grand. But very surprised with the whole situation.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 01, 2019, 11:33:47 AM
I am surprised that Chris Conway's name has not been mentioned.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 01, 2019, 11:40:09 AM
Chris also fine
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 01, 2019, 12:31:11 PM
Im with high fielder on this. Need to hear from sugrue about his decision. If he says Family & Business to look after first that is grand. But very surprised with the whole situation.
We have no right to hear anything from the man. The players perhaps, but he owes Laois supporters nothing.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 01, 2019, 01:06:41 PM
He mightn't owe anybody an explanation, but it would be helpful if he gave one. At the moment it just looks like we fucked up again. It's not an ideal way to move forward, and supporters support more when they trust what's in front of them.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Joeythelips on August 01, 2019, 01:15:33 PM
Anyone think Billy OíLoughlin would be a good fit? in fairness his CV going by the Laois Today article is decent and he has got a good tune out of the current u-20 team. Maybe a mix of Liam Kearns and Billy OíLoughlin or something like that. Kevin McStay is another one who is not on the list.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Countyminor on August 01, 2019, 01:16:15 PM
Billy Sheehan is not an insider pick,  he is merely serving his own C.V as he did when he played for Emo and Laois.  Be he a success or failure he adds nothing long term to Laois.  Sugrue long term even now will benefit Laois.  Whatever reasons he left I doubt itís to manage another county. Billy is an outsider the same as Micko (utterly useless long term) and all the others we choose to waste our money on for short term success.  Give it to someone in Laois,  good or bad he will be better for the experience.  I am for Malachy, Clancy, Kearns or Cotter all are risky but all will be giving back to Laois football in 50 years.  If Billy wants to come down live in Laois train a club, I have no objection.  But itís high time, we copped on to ourselves improve our own coaching rather than waste time on what are high risk outsiders anyway.  No objection to paying outsiders to help our management but the top job must remain within.

We need to make our own coaches better.

Billy played the bulk of his senior career with Emo and involved in the Laois set up. To essentially say the only reason he played with Laois was self serving is somewhat derogatory. He was of intercounty standard and he knew it, he was a valuable addition to our county and always gave his best. Like it or loath it he gave serious service to both his adopted club and county. Ask any of his former intercounty teammates what they think of Billy having played with him and you'll get as close to unanimously positive feedback as possible. What more does he have to do to prove his Laoisness? Sing Lovely Laois on main street Portlaoise wearing the 1986 replica jersey?

Malachy is probably a non contender. Our choices are slim pickings at best. I've a feeling our next manager is someone not even on our radar at the moment but Billy wouldn't be the worst choice. 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 01, 2019, 04:36:49 PM
How is it self serving he only kicked with Emo so he could play County football as soon as that was over he was gone.  He would of played with any county that would of taken him,  he no doubt had ability but should have never been considered for Laois.  He serves no purpose for Laois bar he was slightly better than our own.  I have no truck with him,  but our managers should be from within always.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 01, 2019, 04:46:57 PM
Billy Sheehan is not an insider pick,  he is merely serving his own C.V as he did when he played for Emo and Laois.  Be he a success or failure he adds nothing long term to Laois.  Sugrue long term even now will benefit Laois.  Whatever reasons he left I doubt itís to manage another county. Billy is an outsider the same as Micko (utterly useless long term) and all the others we choose to waste our money on for short term success.  Give it to someone in Laois,  good or bad he will be better for the experience.  I am for Malachy, Clancy, Kearns or Cotter all are risky but all will be giving back to Laois football in 50 years.  If Billy wants to come down live in Laois train a club, I have no objection.  But itís high time, we copped on to ourselves improve our own coaching rather than waste time on what are high risk outsiders anyway.  No objection to paying outsiders to help our management but the top job must remain within.

We need to make our own coaches better.

Billy played the bulk of his senior career with Emo and involved in the Laois set up. To essentially say the only reason he played with Laois was self serving is somewhat derogatory. He was of intercounty standard and he knew it, he was a valuable addition to our county and always gave his best. Like it or loath it he gave serious service to both his adopted club and county. Ask any of his former intercounty teammates what they think of Billy having played with him and you'll get as close to unanimously positive feedback as possible. What more does he have to do to prove his Laoisness? Sing Lovely Laois on main street Portlaoise wearing the 1986 replica jersey?

Malachy is probably a non contender. Our choices are slim pickings at best. I've a feeling our next manager is someone not even on our radar at the moment but Billy wouldn't be the worst choice.

Agree completely with you. There has always been a few Billy haters on here. He soldiered for a good many years with Laois and showed up many of our 'native' stars who had very short inter county careers. The 'outsider' logic is bizarre with regarding Billy. He did some soldiering for Laois, more than Sugrue and look what John has achieved and contributed long term in a couple of years !!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 01, 2019, 05:03:14 PM
I'm not sure what they might say in Emo, but for me, when Billy Sheehan played with Laois, he always displayed a great attitude. He always played with passion and never let us down. Maybe not a bad option to replace John Sugrue?

Apparently he was very close to getting the job last time round.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 01, 2019, 05:21:00 PM
I hope "playing with a great attitude" or "soldiering for Laois" are not going to be the main criteria. Billy Sheehan is as entitled as anyone else to think he has a chance but he should be able to convince that he has the skills to do a complicated job with the senior team and that he has some idea how to develop useful structures for the future of football in Laois.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 01, 2019, 06:05:12 PM
Right easiest thing in this county is to be from somewhere else and we love them.  Criteria donít come from Laois as we regard ourselves as simpletons and poor footballers.  Proud to be from Laois and happy to support Laois. But sick of we canít do it attitude, donít matter to me.  The reason Sugrue succeeded is he got us to believe in ourselves,  now your back at it again.  Every day Billy played he took that position off some young Laois player would Kerry do the same for us?  We are plenty good enough ourselves.  TOF Liam Kearns same racket Iíd rather one of our own give him everything and rather than criticize
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: on the hop on August 01, 2019, 06:06:46 PM
How is it self serving he only kicked with Emo so he could play County football as soon as that was over he was gone.  He would of played with any county that would of taken him,  he no doubt had ability but should have never been considered for Laois.  He serves no purpose for Laois bar he was slightly better than our own.  I have no truck with him,  but our managers should be from within always.

So who would you think in laois has a chance??
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 01, 2019, 06:36:49 PM
Malachy(Fine by me), Clancy, Higgins, Eddie K, Kearns, Cotter,  Mcmahon, Donnacha, BOL, Eddie Kelly, Mark Rooney, Joe Higgins, Chris Conway, Noel Garvan loads  more

Every one of them would improve from being Laois manager and go back to their clubs in Laois improved for the experience .

Of course some of them are not up to it,  but if we promote from within and there is a clear pathway we will have more buy in.

Literally none of them could be worse than TOF or Peter Creedon

And you know what everyone of them care about Laois Football numero uno Kerry is not the first result the look to

Back them financially the same as an outsider, help them and improve them.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: on the hop on August 01, 2019, 06:42:22 PM
I think you are being unfair to billy, he was one of the few laois supporters at a dead rubber o byrne cup match in bray this year.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 01, 2019, 06:48:46 PM
Move to Laois no iissue but he lives works and plays club football in Dublin.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 01, 2019, 09:20:11 PM
If there were 2 equally qualified candidates - one from Laois and one from outside Laois - of course youíd have to give it to the Laoisman. There are clear advantages to having a local man in charge and that would certainly be ideal. But should we go for a less qualified candidate just because heís from Laois? I hope not.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 01, 2019, 09:30:10 PM
Qualified what is qualified
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 01, 2019, 09:50:12 PM
If there were 2 equally qualified candidates - one from Laois and one from outside Laois - of course youíd have to give it to the Laoisman. There are clear advantages to having a local man in charge and that would certainly be ideal. But should we go for a less qualified candidate just because heís from Laois? I hope not.

No!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Nameless on August 01, 2019, 10:03:04 PM
The Laois job shouldn't be an internship for inexperienced managers. They'll have to have done something to show they are capable of progressing things.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 01, 2019, 10:22:34 PM
Well qualified isnít soldiering for Laois or being from Laois.

I would say that qualified is either having a track record of achievement at club or county level or having sufficiently convincing ideas about how you would do the job.

Itís perfectly reasonable to think such people exist in Laois.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 01, 2019, 10:41:09 PM
Or for simpletons previously hired Billyís record doesnít really stack up
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 01, 2019, 10:44:43 PM
Brian Codyís prior experience in Kilkenny was managing The Village to a Senior Final.

Think outside the box gentlemen. 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 01, 2019, 11:58:11 PM
The Laois job shouldn't be an internship for inexperienced managers. They'll have to have done something to show they are capable of progressing things.

I agree and I thought that almost went without saying. Some of the names mentioned are bizarre to say the least. Unfortunately there is no outstanding coach in Laois. If there was, he would have made his mark easily enough. Chris Conway at least was successful in Tipperary and he's the only one internally who interests me. I haven't seen anything in Laois that suggests that we have the know how to get results against other counties. Often times, the team is a lot better than the coach and as a result, they get so far and peter out. Sugrue worked with a successful team and had that know how. Eddie Brennan played in successful teams. Who have we got with that sort of pedigree?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 02, 2019, 12:09:21 AM
Would agree that if you confine yourself to Laois only Chris Conway or Clancy suggest possibility
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 02, 2019, 12:26:36 AM
I personally wouldn't contemplate a Laois based coach except Sugrue Giovanni. I'd be looking towards Dublin because they have the know how and it's near. Someone like Bryan Cullen maybe although he's probably on mega bucks
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 02, 2019, 09:53:33 AM
If Sugrue is gone for certain I'd like to see Billy Sheehan or Chris Conway in there.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 02, 2019, 10:18:47 AM
I am coming across wrong, if Laois were capable of attracting Stephen Rochford for example I could see the flaw in my arguement.  But we really are not an attractive proposition for that level of coach so I think our only option is to create those coaches from within.

Otherwise it is really the usual gallery of also rans who I see as nonsensical letís be honest itís 10 times more likely them than the top notch candidates in Sugrue we were lucky he was on his way to the top.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 02, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
If Sugrue is gone for certain I'd like to see Billy Sheehan or Chris Conway in there.
They will come as a team, one wont come without the other
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SCFC on August 02, 2019, 10:27:28 AM
If Sugrue is gone for certain I'd like to see Billy Sheehan or Chris Conway in there.
They will come as a team, one wont come without the other
Along with Gary Kavanagh? That was mooted last time around anyway....
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Butch Cassidy on August 02, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
Tony McEntee a contender (if interested)
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: on the hop on August 02, 2019, 12:44:33 PM
I think Paul galvin got the Wexford job
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 02, 2019, 12:52:26 PM
I think Paul galvin got the Wexford job

Well that'll be them sorted for fashion tips....
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: bluespower on August 02, 2019, 07:03:41 PM
Bit of a shock to see Sugrue step down that sure came out of the blue very surprising at this time when he had the team moving along nicely and making progress, i was wondering and this is just my own opinion but after two successful seasons is it possible he could see his third year in charge as been more challenging as we may find it tough going in Div 2 and who knows maybe a few retirements as well i know there are younger lads coming through but all the same, and he may have thought he won't be able to keep this upward trend and progress going and just wanted to go out when things were very positive and at a high you could say.

Anyway just speculation as seen he did not give a valid reason for leaving yet anyway all we can do now is speculate.

How about Mick Dempsey as a replacement, i am sure he could be available after Kilkenny are beaten in the hurling final the man knows what it takes to achieve success with a team anyway.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 02, 2019, 08:28:13 PM
Bit of a shock to see Sugrue step down that sure came out of the blue very surprising at this time when he had the team moving along nicely and making progress, i was wondering and this is just my own opinion but after two successful seasons is it possible he could see his third year in charge as been more challenging as we may find it tough going in Div 2 and who knows maybe a few retirements as well i know there are younger lads coming through but all the same, and he may have thought he won't be able to keep this upward trend and progress going and just wanted to go out when things were very positive and at a high you could say.

Anyway just speculation as seen he did not give a valid reason for leaving yet anyway all we can do now is speculate.

How about Mick Dempsey as a replacement, i am sure he could be available after Kilkenny are beaten in the hurling final the man knows what it takes to achieve success with a team anyway.

At this stage, I've put every conceivable possibility through my mind, and I'd be amazed if he walked away from an improving team. I accept that some people bow out when they're ahead, but it would be a right slap in the face to lads who have soldiered for him this last two years. It would be a complete vote of no confidence and a contradiction of everything he said about the players. He's an honourable man and I don't think that would happen.

The optics of this are terrible in my opinion. For everybody. I only hope the players know the full story, because I'm not sure how they would feel otherwise. It's hard to be optimistic when you see how easily that optimism can be snuffed out

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 02, 2019, 08:37:50 PM
I think you might be over thinking it a tad, High Fielder. Maybe he did just go for personal reasons. He has a family and a business. Maybe the 100% he was putting into Laois football was taking away from the more important things in his life.

I agree though, it would be good to get some kind of statement to have closure and to stop people like us idly coming up with theories that might have no basis in truth.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 02, 2019, 08:42:17 PM
Fair enough Tony. I can accept that.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 02, 2019, 08:46:01 PM
In his interview for radio 3 Chris Conway appeared to suggest that John Sugrue saw himself stepping into the Laois role on short term basis only. I think and hope that he has stepped away now for family and business reasons.

Who knows, he may come back again in the future, either at senior or under age level. He is too well regarded to be lost to Laois GAA for good.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 03, 2019, 12:21:33 AM
The Search Begins.....

Three-man committee set up as search for new Laois football manager begins in earnest

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/02/three-man-committee-set-up-as-search-for-new-laois-football-manager-begins-in-earnest
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 03, 2019, 12:05:56 PM
Jack O'Connor to Kildare? That's a good for one for them.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Jd on August 03, 2019, 12:51:36 PM
Family and work I heard   Iím sure heíd like to be able to head off for a weekend with the wife and kids who are fairly young and possibly miss their dad not being home in the evenings. Most on here are involved with clubs and if you wanted you could be gone every evening and weekend. He took that on and had no option but to fully immerse himself in the process of improving Laois football which he did. I hav had underage teams and youíd be burned out at the end of the year So maybe John was getting that way and decided to go. I also know that co board did their level best to talk him around and also organized players to talk to him but he was not for turning. It might work out that he takes a less time consuming job with the coaching/underage setups and hopefully weíll have him for more time in the long run.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 03, 2019, 12:56:52 PM
Family and work I heard   Iím sure heíd like to be able to head off for a weekend with the wife and kids who are fairly young and possibly miss their dad not being home in the evenings. Most on here are involved with clubs and if you wanted you could be gone every evening and weekend. He took that on and had no option but to fully immerse himself in the process of improving Laois football which he did. I hav had underage teams and youíd be burned out at the end of the year So maybe John was getting that way and decided to go. I also know that co board did their level best to talk him around and also organized players to talk to him but he was not for turning. It might work out that he takes a less time consuming job with the coaching/underage setups and hopefully weíll have him for more time in the long run.
Nail on the head
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: steven seagal on August 03, 2019, 01:09:54 PM
One thing that struck me over the last couple of years was the amount of awards nights and presentations he was going to, for someone self-employed that's a tough thing to do. Between time spent coaching Laois and time going to these events, it all eats away at time spent on his business. It's not like he can delegate, if he's not there himself he's not making money. Add in the family side of things and it's easy to see why he would feel the need to step away. I think the key now is not to leave him gone long-term like we did with Cheddar, I think he has a genuine interest in the county, hopefully he can be kept involved in some capacity, even if it's helping out with a development squad when things have settled back down for him.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 03, 2019, 01:35:51 PM
Family and work I heard   Iím sure heíd like to be able to head off for a weekend with the wife and kids who are fairly young and possibly miss their dad not being home in the evenings. Most on here are involved with clubs and if you wanted you could be gone every evening and weekend. He took that on and had no option but to fully immerse himself in the process of improving Laois football which he did. I hav had underage teams and youíd be burned out at the end of the year So maybe John was getting that way and decided to go. I also know that co board did their level best to talk him around and also organized players to talk to him but he was not for turning. It might work out that he takes a less time consuming job with the coaching/underage setups and hopefully weíll have him for more time in the long run.

Thanks for the clarification. Everyone missed an opportunity by not saying that in the first place. It ends the speculation and it humanises the whole thing which at this point, at county level and even in some clubs, is way out of control. The top teams in the country have nearly as many on the line and in the stands than in the matchday panel. It's getting increasingly hard to compete
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 03, 2019, 02:01:01 PM
Family and work I heard   Iím sure heíd like to be able to head off for a weekend with the wife and kids who are fairly young and possibly miss their dad not being home in the evenings. Most on here are involved with clubs and if you wanted you could be gone every evening and weekend. He took that on and had no option but to fully immerse himself in the process of improving Laois football which he did. I hav had underage teams and youíd be burned out at the end of the year So maybe John was getting that way and decided to go. I also know that co board did their level best to talk him around and also organized players to talk to him but he was not for turning. It might work out that he takes a less time consuming job with the coaching/underage setups and hopefully weíll have him for more time in the long run.

Thanks for the clarification. Everyone missed an opportunity by not saying that in the first place. It ends the speculation and it humanises the whole thing which at this point, at county level and even in some clubs, is way out of control. The top teams in the country have nearly as many on the line and in the stands than in the matchday panel. It's getting increasingly hard to compete
It was said from the start. Work and family.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 03, 2019, 02:11:45 PM
Who said it?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 03, 2019, 06:18:21 PM
This doesn't look good for us. If a man walks away from a job after being successful and is highly regarded, does that man feel he can't do any more? I'm hoping we hear from him and I'm hoping he talks about the huge commitment required and/or wanting to spend more time with the family. Anything else will make this an impossible sell and God knows what Bozo we'll end up with

Iíd say unfortunately that may be the case.
Itís a cert itís because of family and work.

Most right thinking people
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 03, 2019, 06:53:17 PM
Speculation. We can all do that. I didn't see anyone saying wrong about John, so it's fair to say nobody is wrong thinking.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 03, 2019, 07:46:15 PM
Speculation. We can all do that. I didn't see anyone saying wrong about John, so it's fair to say nobody is wrong thinking.
You had just thanked him for his clarification  ;D
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 03, 2019, 07:50:26 PM
He said he had heard and I assumed he meant from someone in the know. I have no reason to distrust the poster
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Jd on August 03, 2019, 08:02:59 PM
Yeah was a person who would have connections with co board. Iím not prepared to say any more though but trust me itís true
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 03, 2019, 08:36:21 PM
Fair play Jd. I'm glad we got to the bottom of it. I wish John Sugrue the very best and want to thank him for his dedicated and excellent work. He sowed optimism where there was none and improved so many aspects of our preparation. He cut through the bullshit and made some unpopular but correct calls. It will be extremely hard to replace him

In my opinion, he made Laois better than the sum of its parts. I don't think any coach in Laois is capable of doing that. Well at least not that I've seen anyway. Just my opinion
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 04, 2019, 12:31:53 AM
What are we expecting from the senior football manager? John Sugrue went beyond what I would expect a senior manager to do by instigating the divisional championship and putting in numerous appearances around the county.  Would he be expected to do this in any other county? Is setting up the structures to ensure we have talented players for the future not the job of the county board, and by extension, the clubs? Eddie Brennan has fired up the hurling end of the county but it is still up to the clubs and county board to drive it forward. The Joe McDonagh cup has done the rounds of the Cýl camps but Eddie hasn't been carrying it. No disrespect to him as it's not his job. For a very short time we had the best football and hurling managers we could have hoped for. If Brian Cody resigned after the All Ireland, we could lose both of them in the one year.
Until the clubs fully grasp the reality that it is up to them to drive it forward, we will never sustain a successful county team.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: From the Terrace on August 07, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
the last two are good posts, agree with both. When John Sugrue meet with club officials last February only 5/6 clubs showed i think. That is nowhere near good enough, Also he suggested all clubs get in a room & have a structured discussion on improving Senior/Intermediate/Junior breakdown but this has not happened. I'm sure that has not helped John in making his decision. They're is a number of ways the county board need to direct football in our county to improve. 16 senior clubs down to 8 with two divisional teams would be ideal i think, Rob Tyrell, 2 Comerfords, Hitchcock are examples of lads who need to be playing in our Senior Championship, Junior will not improve these lads.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 09, 2019, 11:15:38 AM
Jack O'Connor would be interesting. I hear he's been approached by three counties including Laois .
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 09, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
Jack O'Connor would be interesting. I hear he's been approached by three counties including Laois .

Is he not going to Kildare?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 09, 2019, 01:11:06 PM
Its Kildare or nowhere for Jack O'Connor.

Rumors abound that Laois have approached a good few outsiders about the job, its seems a character like Eddie Brennan for the footballers is on the cards. From what I hear it'll only be a Laois man if the outsider route fails.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 09, 2019, 01:15:32 PM
Its Kildare or nowhere for Jack O'Connor.

Rumors abound that Laois have approached a good few outsiders about the job, its seems a character like Eddie Brennan for the footballers is on the cards. From what I hear it'll only be a Laois man if the outsider route fails.

Any names?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 09, 2019, 01:21:37 PM
Johnny Doyle. Padraig Joyce
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Zooming around on August 09, 2019, 01:21:48 PM
Darragh O'Se must be one.

Jason Sherlock
Padraig Joyce
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 09, 2019, 01:34:46 PM
Pat Gilroy another one but I think  his work commitments have ruled him out .
Jack O'Connor to Kildare far from been complete . Sarsfields Davy Burke has put up a good case apparently.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Butch Cassidy on August 09, 2019, 07:03:41 PM
Declan Darcy would be an interesting one if he was interested .
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 10, 2019, 01:39:06 PM
It will either be someone completely out of the box of thought or it will be a John Evans type if not John himself. Is there a rough time frame for it to be moved along?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 10, 2019, 02:52:02 PM
It will either be someone completely out of the box of thought or it will be a John Evans type if not John himself. Is there a rough time frame for it to be moved along?

Surely not. Isn't Evans the type of journeyman we have been saying we don't want.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on August 10, 2019, 03:00:43 PM
It will either be someone completely out of the box of thought or it will be a John Evans type if not John himself. Is there a rough time frame for it to be moved along?

Surely not. Isn't Evans the type of journeyman we have been saying we don't want.

Don't think GAA-SMART is saying he wants to see Evans get the gig, just that it's a possibility. It wouldn't surprise me if Peter Creedon 2.0 walked through the door.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The Saint on August 10, 2019, 03:14:41 PM
Would Jason Ryan be a good option?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: South Laois man on August 10, 2019, 03:33:42 PM
The appointment of Evans would straight away reverse everything that John Sugrue put right. I would love to see Jack O Connor get the job but unfortunately I don't think that's going to happen. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be too many options out there.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 10, 2019, 03:44:17 PM
It will either be someone completely out of the box of thought or it will be a John Evans type if not John himself. Is there a rough time frame for it to be moved along?

Surely not. Isn't Evans the type of journeyman we have been saying we don't want.

Don't think GAA-SMART is saying he wants to see Evans get the gig, just that it's a possibility. It wouldn't surprise me if Peter Creedon 2.0 walked through the door.

In no way am I saying John Evans is the man, I am just noting i wouldnt be suprised to see that type walk through the door.

Jason Ryan is a great coach, I doubt he wouldn't want to be the main man but id say certainly open to involvement if leaving the Cork set up.

Is there any moves on Minor / 20s ?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 10, 2019, 04:55:34 PM
Its Kildare or nowhere for Jack O'Connor.

Rumors abound that Laois have approached a good few outsiders about the job, its seems a character like Eddie Brennan for the footballers is on the cards. From what I hear it'll only be a Laois man if the outsider route fails.

Any names?
I heard both  Padraic Joyce and Thomas O'Se were approached , Joyce not a flat out no  but waiting for Galway decision and O'Se has no interest .
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 10, 2019, 05:46:27 PM
Padraig Joyce unlikely, successful business in the West based in Tuam.  He was subsidizing Galway U20 backroom.  Just donít see him taking Laois.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 11, 2019, 06:37:20 PM
Joyce wants the Galway Job but took abit of damage after the 20s loss to Dublin. What about a Kevin Mc Stay / Liam McHale ?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The PRO on August 12, 2019, 10:17:36 AM
I'm hearing whispers that John Sugrue will part of Jack o'connor's team of the gets the kildare job.
I'm also hearing that the fault for Sugrue not staying on lies firmly with our county board. If true, they have serious questions to answer.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 12, 2019, 10:21:56 AM
I'm hearing whispers that John Sugrue will part of Jack o'connor's team of the gets the kildare job.
I'm also hearing that the fault for Sugrue not staying on lies firmly with our county board. If true, they have serious questions to answer.
I heard that Donald Trump is actually a lizard creature wearing a humans skin to disguise himself.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The PRO on August 12, 2019, 10:46:05 AM
I'm hearing whispers that John Sugrue will part of Jack o'connor's team of the gets the kildare job.
I'm also hearing that the fault for Sugrue not staying on lies firmly with our county board. If true, they have serious questions to answer.
I heard that Donald Trump is actually a lizard creature wearing a humans skin to disguise himself.
Part two of my post is from the horse's mouth. Part one I heard in kildare and I cant be sure of but I'd be sick if it comes to pass.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 12, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
I'm hearing whispers that John Sugrue will part of Jack o'connor's team of the gets the kildare job.
I'm also hearing that the fault for Sugrue not staying on lies firmly with our county board. If true, they have serious questions to answer.
I heard that Donald Trump is actually a lizard creature wearing a humans skin to disguise himself.
Part two of my post is from the horse's mouth. Part one I heard in kildare and I cant be sure of but I'd be sick if it comes to pass.
Are you exclusively revealing that he told you this himself?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 12, 2019, 10:53:26 AM
I'm hearing whispers that John Sugrue will part of Jack o'connor's team of the gets the kildare job.
I'm also hearing that the fault for Sugrue not staying on lies firmly with our county board. If true, they have serious questions to answer.

If the first part of that equation is right, I'd imagine the second follows quite naturally. Two things surprised me about Sugrue departing. Firstly, the timing was bizarre. He had got back to back promotions and the team were performing well. Secondly, we heard nothing from him, and for a man who had plenty to say, that struck me as odd. We have to remember that the CB have a presence on this forum and there are some serious apologists for all that they do. But make no mistake, this was a body blow for the county. You can sense it everywhere. The mood is downbeat for sure.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 12, 2019, 11:04:37 AM
I'm hearing whispers that John Sugrue will part of Jack o'connor's team of the gets the kildare job.
I'm also hearing that the fault for Sugrue not staying on lies firmly with our county board. If true, they have serious questions to answer.
I heard that Donald Trump is actually a lizard creature wearing a humans skin to disguise himself.
Part two of my post is from the horse's mouth. Part one I heard in kildare and I cant be sure of but I'd be sick if it comes to pass.

You've certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons this Monday morning  ;D
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 12, 2019, 11:11:08 AM
Sometimes you get the impression that the Country Board would prefer managers that don't have ideas. This is quite reminiscent of the Cheddar debacle.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 12, 2019, 12:46:40 PM
Sometimes you get the impression that the Country Board would prefer managers that don't have ideas. This is quite reminiscent of the Cheddar debacle.

I'm still prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm prepared to do the same with Sugrue. It would be a terrible sleight on us if he joined the Squealers, and I don't think he's that disrespectful. I'm hoping all is as it was reported to us; that he left and that was that.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 12, 2019, 12:48:30 PM
Sometimes you get the impression that the Country Board would prefer managers that don't have ideas. This is quite reminiscent of the Cheddar debacle.

This is sickening if true. Weren't we told here that the CB did everything to keep him.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The PRO on August 12, 2019, 01:33:37 PM
Sometimes you get the impression that the Country Board would prefer managers that don't have ideas. This is quite reminiscent of the Cheddar debacle.

This is sickening if true. Weren't we told here that the CB did everything to keep him.
They most certainly did not. When are the divisional championships pencilled in for? They're not is the answer.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 12, 2019, 01:41:04 PM
Sometimes you get the impression that the Country Board would prefer managers that don't have ideas. This is quite reminiscent of the Cheddar debacle.

This is sickening if true. Weren't we told here that the CB did everything to keep him.
They most certainly did not. When are the divisional championships pencilled in for? They're not is the answer.

Have you been talking to the man himself?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 12, 2019, 01:42:45 PM
Has he left because the CB would not run the divisional championship this year?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 12, 2019, 02:34:38 PM
I would imagine there's more to it than that .
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Jd on August 12, 2019, 05:20:09 PM
I posted earlier that it was for family and business reasons and I had heard it from someone close to co board. Thatís what I was told and Iím certainly no apologist for the co board
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Zooming around on August 12, 2019, 05:30:17 PM
It struck me as very strange both the decision and the timing. It didn't smell of a long, carefully thought out "Family and Business" decision. Wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they fucked it up yet again. If there's one thing they are uncomfortable with it's a manager doing well. Incompetent wouldn't even begin to describe it.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 12, 2019, 06:32:14 PM
I posted earlier that it was for family and business reasons and I had heard it from someone close to co board. Thatís what I was told and Iím certainly no apologist for the co board

That's the story we were all hearing. It might yet be factually correct, and I wasn't referring to you when I used the word apologist. I don't know for certain why Sugrue departed, but I do know for certain that he remains the best man for the job. So, if there's even the slightest possibility that he could be enticed back, then I would tell that committee to stop their search immediately and do the right thing. I had actually heard one or two rumblings that certain people weren't happy with his performance. To those people I would say cop yourselves on and take a long hard look at what we have available to us.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: seafoid on August 12, 2019, 07:03:50 PM
It struck me as very strange both the decision and the timing. It didn't smell of a long, carefully thought out "Family and Business" decision. Wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they fucked it up yet again. If there's one thing they are uncomfortable with it's a manager doing well. Incompetent wouldn't even begin to describe it.

Why manage an inter county team when Leinster is dead and the All Ireland is a procession?

It canít be easy motivating players who get hammered as standard
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Nameless on August 12, 2019, 07:09:32 PM
I had actually heard one or two rumblings that certain people weren't happy with his performance. To those people I would say cop yourselves on and take a long hard look at what we have available to us.

It reminds me of when McNulty was ran out of town. There were those who thought we were better than getting to All Ireland quarter finals and playing Division 1 and Division 2 football. As we fell down to division 4, those people got their answer.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 12, 2019, 07:10:43 PM
It struck me as very strange both the decision and the timing. It didn't smell of a long, carefully thought out "Family and Business" decision. Wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if they fucked it up yet again. If there's one thing they are uncomfortable with it's a manager doing well. Incompetent wouldn't even begin to describe it.

Why manage an inter county team when Leinster is dead and the All Ireland is a procession?

It canít be easy motivating players who get hammered as standard

Oddly enough, you probably chose the worst man to make that point about. Sugrue had little time for talk about Dublin's dominance. He only saw the challenge of beating them. I accept that he might have come to his senses, but his motivation came very much from within. External factors didn't faze him at all
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 12, 2019, 07:12:33 PM
I had actually heard one or two rumblings that certain people weren't happy with his performance. To those people I would say cop yourselves on and take a long hard look at what we have available to us.

It reminds me of when McNulty was ran out of town. There were those who thought we were better than getting to All Ireland quarter finals and playing Division 1 and Division 2 football. As we fell down to division 4, those people got their answer.

I have no problem admitting I was one of them. I also have no problem admitting that I enjoyed the trip to London far more than losing to Dublin under McNulty by a small margin. It was hard to watch Nameless, but I can see your point.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 12, 2019, 10:03:25 PM
I had actually heard one or two rumblings that certain people weren't happy with his performance.

What??! Could anyone seriously argue that point? What else could the man have done?

I don't know if he's the best man for the job or not. There may be better people out there. However, Sugrue has proven that he's able to do a top class job in Laois. We also know that people like that are hard to find. If he's been driven out because some clown wasn't happy with our performances, then I really give up. What was expected? That we beat Dublin? 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: clonadmad on August 12, 2019, 11:58:33 PM
With Waterford sounding out Eddie Brennan,we might need to change the thread title

The fact that John had to literally beg and try and recruit key people to his backroom team when the county board should have been doing it might have been a factor in his departure.

The fact that we couldnít appoint a doctor for our senior county team says it all.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Mossy Bruce on August 13, 2019, 12:19:20 AM
With Waterford sounding out Eddie Brennan,...
Uhhh, is this actually happening?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 13, 2019, 08:12:04 AM
With Waterford sounding out Eddie Brennan,we might need to change the thread title

The fact that John had to literally beg and try and recruit key people to his backroom team when the county board should have been doing it might have been a factor in his departure.

The fact that we couldn’t appoint a doctor for our senior county team says it all.

It seems to be all coming out now. Apparently, our glorious County Board, with things going so well under John Sugrue, were just not prepared to go that extra mile to accommodate a good man. That was the case with Cheddar as well. So, if it turns out that all of this is true, they should all be booted out and replaced with competent, progressive people.

As for Eddie Brennan, it would not surprise me in the slightest if they lose him as well.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 13, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
We've heard nothing official from the CB (unlikely anyway) or from Sugrue. They want your money, support and volunteerism but don't dare ask any questions. We have no right to expect an explanation, but it's the done thing nowadays. Cian O Neill wrote an essay FFS. But not in Laois of course. Another PR disaster.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 13, 2019, 10:51:49 AM
Anyone here ever run for a position in the CB? Could we organise a coup? Few good fellas on here I'd happily row in behind. Would you do it lads, for the county like?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Zooming around on August 13, 2019, 11:47:51 AM
With Waterford sounding out Eddie Brennan,we might need to change the thread title

The fact that John had to literally beg and try and recruit key people to his backroom team when the county board should have been doing it might have been a factor in his departure.

The fact that we couldnít appoint a doctor for our senior county team says it all.

It seems to be all coming out now. Apparently, our glorious County Board, with things going so well under John Sugrue, were just not prepared to go that extra mile to accommodate a good man. That was the case with Cheddar as well. So, if it turns out that all of this is true, they should all be booted out and replaced with competent, progressive people.

As for Eddie Brennan, it would not surprise me in the slightest if they lose him as well.

Some of them, especially one of those in a non-elected position, should have been removed forcibly by the clubs years ago. They are simply not fit for purpose and are piggy backing on who they know in the cosy cartel. Clubs need to be proactive at this right now as we head towards convention time before we slip back in both hurling and football yet again. The amount of good people working tirelessly behind the scenes deserve more. Of course there's no problem getting them to stand in for a photo with John Horan. It's time for action.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 13, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
With Waterford sounding out Eddie Brennan,we might need to change the thread title

The fact that John had to literally beg and try and recruit key people to his backroom team when the county board should have been doing it might have been a factor in his departure.

The fact that we couldnít appoint a doctor for our senior county team says it all.

It seems to be all coming out now. Apparently, our glorious County Board, with things going so well under John Sugrue, were just not prepared to go that extra mile to accommodate a good man. That was the case with Cheddar as well. So, if it turns out that all of this is true, they should all be booted out and replaced with competent, progressive people.

As for Eddie Brennan, it would not surprise me in the slightest if they lose him as well.

Some of them, especially one of those in a non-elected position, should have been removed forcibly by the clubs years ago. They are simply not fit for purpose and are piggy backing on who they know in the cosy cartel. Clubs need to be proactive at this right now as we head towards convention time before we slip back in both hurling and football yet again. The amount of good people working tirelessly behind the scenes deserve more. Of course there's no problem getting them to stand in for a photo with John Horan. It's time for action.

Who are these men of action that are fit for purpose? The county board and various hurling and football committees are mostly made up of conservative older men with time on their hands who have been appointed by their clubs because nobody else will put their names forward. I agree that such people are fine to have 'voting rights' but don't expect it to generate a group of proactive, passionate and energetic folk. It would make a massive difference if our county board was made up of ex club and county players who have retired in the last 10 years. Who would organize that though? Would be turkeys voting for xmas.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: clonadmad on August 13, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
Anytime any of Ye want to become county board delegates lads,get the nomination from your clubs

Thatís just the first small step as county board delegates have as much say in things as a North Korean TD.

Power is vested in a small enough cabal and good luck with breaking in there

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: clonadmad on August 13, 2019, 12:22:36 PM
Given a choice between Laois and Waterford

I think Brennan would be mad to even consider them

Pat Ryan had the job last year down there and walked away when the players decided to interview him for the role

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 13, 2019, 12:30:21 PM
Love an aul coup via a forum.. youd swear clubs never get a vote on who gets onto the CB executive. The only man Bullet Proof in there is Handy, its Laois clubs that keep everyone else, make no mistake. Obviously something went wrong with Sugrue but the man said family and work commitments and ill take his word until we hear / see otherwise. As for Brennan, id be suprised if he goes at the same time, what can he achieve next year with Laois, if Leinster is not made a 6 team province then we are looking at a drop back to the Mc Donagh bar another win against Dublin which I'd question. With Waterford, he probably just needs two wins which are getable and he keeps his stock high instead of the bit of Damage he might get if he stays with Laois. Cody is going to be gone soon so he has to stay up on the pecking order as itll come down to Brennan v Shefflin for the top job there.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: LooseCannon on August 13, 2019, 12:58:07 PM
Öand Shefflin will get it.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Gmac on August 13, 2019, 05:03:15 PM
We've heard nothing official from the CB (unlikely anyway) or from Sugrue. They want your money, support and volunteerism but don't dare ask any questions. We have no right to expect an explanation, but it's the done thing nowadays. Cian O Neill wrote an essay FFS. But not in Laois of course. Another PR disaster.
+1 the fact that Sugrue has not made a statement makes it look like it was far from an amicable parting and the cb donít want anyone to know why or what happened.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 13, 2019, 05:08:04 PM
Hopefully nothing untoward and it is what was said. Family & Work, we will know soon enough im sure.

Is anyone going to the Adam Mangan final on Saturday ?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 13, 2019, 08:39:27 PM
I wonder would Davy Burke, the man who guided Kildare U20s to an All Ireland and rejected for the position of senior manager, be worth appraoching for our job?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 14, 2019, 12:12:53 AM
Jack O'Connor officially nominated for the Kildare job, lets hope Sugrue don't go with him.
http://kildaregaa.ie/statement-kildare-senior-football-manager/
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 14, 2019, 12:20:29 AM
I wonder would Davy Burke, the man who guided Kildare U20s to an All Ireland and rejected for the position of senior manager, be worth appraoching for our job?

No and no again
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Joeythelips on August 14, 2019, 07:29:21 AM
Jack O'Connor officially nominated for the Kildare job, lets hope Sugrue don't go with him.
http://kildaregaa.ie/statement-kildare-senior-football-manager/

Sugrue has done a great job with Laois and owes us nothing but I would be hugely disappointed if he turned up as part of O'Connors backroom team. One of Sugrue's best traits was his straight talking and honesty, so I would be very surprised if he said he stood down due to family and work commitments only to take a similar role with our neighbours.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 14, 2019, 08:21:07 AM
Surprised? I'd be fuckin livid. The Squealers must have got another bailout from Croke Park to be able to afford this Dream Team. It's a good few years now since HQ told them to get rid of that hen house they call a stadium.

In all seriousness, fair play to them. They've shown real intent with O Connor. They have plenty of good young footballers so if they don't go for it now, they never will. It's inconceivable that Sugrue will go in with them because whatever happened in Laois, that would be a shitty thing to do on Laois people. I don't think Sugrue is that type of person and even if we allow for the CB making a hames of things (which I'm still prepared to be sceptical about) then walking down the road to Kildare would never be the right thing to do
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 14, 2019, 09:28:09 AM
O Connor has had a disappointing time with the Kerry U20's. He lost a few marquee players, grand, so did everyone, but he's had his hole handed to him repeatedly at the grade. His star is on the wane as a result in Kerry, the pressure was coming on. Grand to win a few All Irelands against Mayo with some of the greatest players to play the game, and pick up some Minors with some outstanding players, but he's not pushed on and he wasn't able for Tyrone. The knives were being sharpened. Kildare have given him a life raft. We'll see how it goes. I don't for one second believe the rumors about Sugrue and any job in Kildare. Idle chatter from empty vessels. He desereves far more respect than he's getting on here with such talk.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 14, 2019, 10:58:38 AM
Nobody has disrespected Sugrue. It's quite the contrary in fact, and that is why people are speculating so much. Nobody cared when some of our previous managers departed, but this is very different. People looked at Sugrue as the tide who could lift a few boats, and there is no doubt that he brought a renewed enthusiasm. In the same way that none of us expect him to go to Kildare, I have a similar feeling that he wouldn't walk away unless something went wrong. If all is as simple as family and work, then why not say that? You're hardly letting people into your confidence by telling the truth. You're also stopping the speculation.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 14, 2019, 12:20:24 PM
He has no requirement to say or explain anything. He gave Laois two years of his life and stepped away. The sense of entitlement on here is off the charts.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 14, 2019, 12:34:15 PM
Entitlement? Are you serious? I have followed Laois around the country for a long, long time and have contributed a lot of money in one way or another to Laois GAA. That commitment extends way beyond two years. I get nothing back for that except my enjoyment (rare) of the odd good performance. I even had to pay to get a spot in the car park, only to see lads getting in for free. Entitlement me hole. I'll let you off.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 14, 2019, 01:08:12 PM
Surely to God it's reasonable for volunteers, sponsors, supporters of Laois GAA to want to know the reasons for the his departure? It may not be an "entitlement" but it's a reasonable expectation. There are several good reasons why this information should be shared as a matter of course. Firstly, it prevents the marginalisation of the people that the organisation depends on (people like HF who are providing both financial and moral support to county and club teams). Secondly, greater transparency in decision-making helps to ensure that people are more likely to behave with some maturity when they get into these positions. Finally, it exposes root causes of particular problems that will never be solved otherwise.

This is not about "entitlement". It's about doing what's right.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 14, 2019, 01:26:16 PM
Smoke and mirrors Giovanni.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 14, 2019, 04:50:43 PM
Sugrues departure has left a sour taste in the mouth and if the rumours that he has agreed to join O'Connors back room team are true then it further sheds a dark cloud over this sorry affair.Once again Laois players and supporters left in the sh!t.

For Laois moving forward I'm genuinely worried as to who we will get, this could all go wrong very quickly and move back down the divisions again.


Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 14, 2019, 05:11:54 PM
It is disappointing enough for John Sugrue to resign his position as Laois football manager, but for him to join O'Connor's team, would be, for me, extremely disillusioning. I would feel stupid for having put so much faith in what I believed he was trying to do over the past two years for Laois football. Living and working in Laois, I genuinely believed he had the best interest of Laois football at heart. I also believed he was the best thing to happen to Laois since Micko. He is free to do what he likes, but I sincerely hope he does not join O'Connor's team.

This may sound pathetic, but is it too late for us to go cap in hand to him, give him what he wants and ask him to reconsider and return to his position of Laois football manager?

Could what he was looking for have been so outrgeous that the CB could not concede to his wishes?

The CB cannot come out of this saga well. But maybe they don't give a damn.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 14, 2019, 05:39:45 PM
There is absolutely no substance to the rumour of Sugrue joining
up with with JOC . Where these stories get started are bemusing.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Countyminor on August 14, 2019, 05:48:45 PM
Lots of insiders were happy to see Sugrue go. That's the reality. There will be no going back begging for him to come back. A man with his intelligence, demeanour and nous was a threat to them. John's the kind of person who will be successful wherever he goes. It doesn't matter who we appoint next because whoever it is will not give to Laois what John Sugrue did.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 14, 2019, 06:00:13 PM
Lots of insiders were happy to see Sugrue go. That's the reality. There will be no going back begging for him to come back. A man with his intelligence, demeanour and nous was a threat to them. John's the kind of person who will be successful wherever he goes. It doesn't matter who we appoint next because whoever it is will not give to Laois what John Sugrue did.

Why on earth should they feel threatened by John Sugrue's success? Surely his achievements couldn't but reflect well on the CB? I just don't get this? Were they also threatened by Cheddar's success?

Should anyone considering applying to take Sugrue's job stress during the interviewing process that they are not overly ambitious for Laois football?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 14, 2019, 06:06:57 PM

This may sound pathetic, but is it too late for us to go cap in hand to him, give him what he wants and ask him to reconsider and return to his position of Laois football manager?

Could what he was looking for have been so outrgeous that the CB could not concede to his wishes?


I don't think this is pathetic at all. If there is any window of opportunity to convince him to stay on, they should use it. There are some good young players coming through and it's very important that there's someome like him at the helm.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 14, 2019, 06:23:04 PM
There is absolutely no substance to the rumour of Sugrue joining
up with with JOC . Where these stories get started are bemusing.

I guess when you're treated like mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed shite) you'll get this sort of speculation. You seem to know. Others seem to know. But the rest of us don't. And our money is as good as anyone else's when we're asked to support Laois GAA.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 14, 2019, 06:31:30 PM
Lots of insiders were happy to see Sugrue go. That's the reality. There will be no going back begging for him to come back. A man with his intelligence, demeanour and nous was a threat to them. John's the kind of person who will be successful wherever he goes. It doesn't matter who we appoint next because whoever it is will not give to Laois what John Sugrue did.

I find this unbelievable. Are you taking the piss?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: on the hop on August 15, 2019, 02:35:52 AM
Lots of insiders were happy to see Sugrue go. That's the reality. There will be no going back begging for him to come back. A man with his intelligence, demeanour and nous was a threat to them. John's the kind of person who will be successful wherever he goes. It doesn't matter who we appoint next because whoever it is will not give to Laois what John Sugrue did.

I find this unbelievable. Are you taking the piss?
Are you trying to ruin my holiday, your going to have to back this up.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 15, 2019, 09:08:41 AM
If he does go to Kildare, who are we to begrudge him in all fairness. He would be forwarding his career. If it turns out that the CB were not going to back his ideas for Laois, then why wouldn't he get out and join a county that have serious ambition? Of course it would hurt but we have to let the man do what he wants with his career. A simple statement to end all the needless speculation would be nice. If he does join Kildare, then the lack of statement thus far will make a whole lot of sense. All will be revealed with time; in the meantime, let's get someone from within Laois for 2020. I can't see anyone from outside the county putting in the required time, effort and passion to keep us driving forward. JS still the man for it if something can be worked out. If not, Chris Conway for me wouldn't be too far off.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 15, 2019, 09:34:32 AM
If he does go to Kildare, who are we to begrudge him in all fairness. He would be forwarding his career. If it turns out that the CB were not going to back his ideas for Laois, then why wouldn't he get out and join a county that have serious ambition? Of course it would hurt but we have to let the man do what he wants with his career. A simple statement to end all the needless speculation would be nice. If he does join Kildare, then the lack of statement thus far will make a whole lot of sense. All will be revealed with time; in the meantime, let's get someone from within Laois for 2020. I can't see anyone from outside the county putting in the required time, effort and passion to keep us driving forward. JS still the man for it if something can be worked out. If not, Chris Conway for me wouldn't be too far off.

As I said before, I would hate to see him go to Kildare. Nothing will change my mind on that. I would see it as a kick in the proverbials, and an 'up yours' to Laois. It would also taint my view of the last two years.

Meanwhile, Chris Conway was an interested spectator at he match in OMP last might between BallyroanAbbey and Port.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 15, 2019, 09:53:30 AM
What exactly has Chris Conway done on the sideline to warrant the Laois Senior Job ? Chris and Laois would be better off if he got involved at U14s and builded upwards and  try create something and gain experience instead of jumping into the top job where he is questionably qualified for if qualified at all.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 15, 2019, 09:57:29 AM
He doesn't owe you or any of us anything. He gave his all to Laois for 2 years. If he wasn't getting the standard required to match his ambitions in Laois, then why wouldn't he go to Kildare. I'd like to find out one way or another, but if that scenario comes to light, then best of luck to him and shame on the people within the Laois CB who let him go.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 15, 2019, 09:58:12 AM
What exactly has Chris Conway done on the sideline to warrant the Laois Senior Job ? Chris and Laois would be better off if he got involved at U14s and builded upwards and  try create something and gain experience instead of jumping into the top job where he is questionably qualified for if qualified at all.
so who do you want then, evans?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 15, 2019, 10:14:37 AM
He doesn't owe you or any of us anything. He gave his all to Laois for 2 years. If he wasn't getting the standard required to match his ambitions in Laois, then why wouldn't he go to Kildare. I'd like to find out one way or another, but if that scenario comes to light, then best of luck to him and shame on the people within the Laois CB who let him go.

He owes me nothing, but if he had not been given the opportunity to work with Laois footballers for the past two years, it is unlikely that he would be seen as an attractive option to Kildare.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 15, 2019, 10:16:40 AM
What exactly has Chris Conway done on the sideline to warrant the Laois Senior Job ? Chris and Laois would be better off if he got involved at U14s and builded upwards and  try create something and gain experience instead of jumping into the top job where he is questionably qualified for if qualified at all.
so who do you want then, evans?

No not evans as I stated before.. but it annoys me when I see fanciful names being connected with no foundation whatsoever. There are many better qualified candidates than Chris Conway, Billy O Loughlin would be more qualified even tho he wouldn't be on my list. Point being he has at least put something into Laois Underage and got some experience instead of being connected because of name, playing years and looking after school teams. If I had a pick id go back to Liam Kearns and team in Jason Ryan as the trainer. Right or wrong that be my choice from available realistic candidates with experience and if Conway wanted to be a selector id be delighted.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 15, 2019, 10:28:22 AM
Sugrue owes nothing to Laois supporters but the players are still in the dark and speculating just as much as we are. Does he not owe them something?

This is leading to a dark cloud over Laois football when there was no need for it.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Chrimtain on August 15, 2019, 10:31:42 AM
Sugrue owes nothing to Laois supporters but the players are still in the dark and speculating just as much as we are. Does he not owe them something?

Yes.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 15, 2019, 10:42:38 AM
The players are the ones who matter in all of this. If they want him, and he wants to manage them, then they need to speak up before another dud walks through the door.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: redsetanta on August 15, 2019, 10:56:01 AM
I am sure there were plenty current and former Laois footballers at the game in O'Moore PArk. What's your point?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Countyminor on August 15, 2019, 11:40:40 AM
Lots of insiders were happy to see Sugrue go. That's the reality. There will be no going back begging for him to come back. A man with his intelligence, demeanour and nous was a threat to them. John's the kind of person who will be successful wherever he goes. It doesn't matter who we appoint next because whoever it is will not give to Laois what John Sugrue did.

I find this unbelievable. Are you taking the piss?

Pretty much, yes. Thought I'd spin a devious CB vs Sugrue plot because clearly the idea Sugrue left first and foremost for family and work reasons isn't enough for some.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 15, 2019, 12:58:40 PM
Liam Kearns seriously ?? Explain that one please .
What exactly has Chris Conway done on the sideline to warrant the Laois Senior Job ? Chris and Laois would be better off if he got involved at U14s and builded upwards and  try create something and gain experience instead of jumping into the top job where he is questionably qualified for if qualified at all.
so who do you want then, evans?

No not evans as I stated before.. but it annoys me when I see fanciful names being connected with no foundation whatsoever. There are many better qualified candidates than Chris Conway, Billy O Loughlin would be more qualified even tho he wouldn't be on my list. Point being he has at least put something into Laois Underage and got some experience instead of being connected because of name, playing years and looking after school teams. If I had a pick id go back to Liam Kearns and team in Jason Ryan as the trainer. Right or wrong that be my choice from available realistic candidates with experience and if Conway wanted to be a selector id be delighted.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Jd on August 15, 2019, 03:21:59 PM
I always felt Kearnyís to be overrated. Did well enough with limerick but after that ?? Got a good Laois setup didnít achieve anything and went back a division. Got tipp post creedon on with after winning all Ireland minor or U21 ?? They went very well in his first year but Iíd argue that that was creedons  setup and they have gone backwards ever since. I just feel he might be the wrong man to come in to bring us forward
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: smcder on August 15, 2019, 05:47:56 PM
Could Sugrue go to Kildare as a Physio?          Probable not as much time and I'd assume the payment would be clear and to his business.  Could make financial sense for him and his business.  Dont think people would be happy about it but I dont think anyone could complain about it either.   

I am just making a guess here, I have no idea whats going on.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 15, 2019, 07:35:22 PM
The Kildare connection has no substance.
More likely to get involved with Tipp footballers. .!!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: smcder on August 16, 2019, 08:20:14 PM
Why tipp footballers?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 20, 2019, 09:56:47 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/19/laois-on-the-look-out-for-new-minor-football-manager-as-phelan-steps-down/

Donnacha gone aswell. Fair play to him, two years of service and two semi finals.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SCFC on August 20, 2019, 02:45:31 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/19/laois-on-the-look-out-for-new-minor-football-manager-as-phelan-steps-down/

Donnacha gone aswell. Fair play to him, two years of service and two semi finals.
Thankless job taking any county team really. He did quite well. Presume this years 16s management will be in the running.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 20, 2019, 03:01:31 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/19/laois-on-the-look-out-for-new-minor-football-manager-as-phelan-steps-down/

Donnacha gone aswell. Fair play to him, two years of service and two semi finals.
Thankless job taking any county team really. He did quite well. Presume this years 16s management will be in the running.

Not sure how many will want it, don't think the applications flew in the last time. Be interesting to see if any hands go up all the same
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 21, 2019, 02:27:10 PM
Would like to see the Senior management Positions filled before the start of the quarter finals In September.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Butch Cassidy on August 21, 2019, 03:44:32 PM
Billy O staying on with the u20s?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 21, 2019, 04:21:25 PM
Think he said he would stay if they changed the player rules over eligibility
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: les Antiques on August 22, 2019, 10:15:39 AM
Which doesn't look like is going to change for 12 months anyway.  Think he'll give it another 12 months regardless . He's doing well with that group and created a great rapport.

I'd be more concerned about the Senior position and the suggestion  of going back to former coaches such as Kearns and  Tom Cribben .
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 22, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
For anyone taking the Laois job it's quiet a tricky task, they over achieved last year and possibly are favorites for relegation from Div 2.  This could lead to unrest in what will be a relatively new camp. 

To be honest I am very disappointed Sugrue( I regard him as a Laois based coach)  has left, my genuine belief is that the players should have a meeting and see if there is an appetite to go persuade Sugrue back.  My hope is that there would be,  genuinely I think we were only going to see Sugrue get better.  I think there was plenty of mistakes on his part but the end result was two promotions.  He was relatively new in the job so has a lot of learning to do,  but surely would have kept improving.  But for the good of Laois Football we should try persuade him to have a rethink.  He is the outstanding candidate.

If Sugrue were not to return my choice would be to go with his back room that is a Cotter/Kearns joint management.  They are young and hungry.  They are both Laois men and what the best for the county,  I realize there will be mistakes and all may not go well.  But the promotion of Laois based coaches should be top of the agenda in the County Board.  This merry go ground of  what are largely journey men coming and going has never served us well.  I don't see Kilkenny, Kerry or Dublin going outside of the county.  It is a real bug bear of mine why we have continually promoted those outside of the county above our own. 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 22, 2019, 11:40:50 AM
Lads its a complete mess at the minute, rumours abound and our championship is moving along regardless.

We need a manager in place asap. The right manager of course but we need a figurehead in place for the quarter finals especially if its going to be an outsider with no knowledge of our players.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tintin84 on August 22, 2019, 11:42:59 AM
Who is Cotter? Where has he come from or what club is he from, Excuse my ignorance but what is his CV like or how did he manage to get involved with Sugrue this year?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Heshs Umpire on August 22, 2019, 11:52:06 AM
Who is Cotter? Where has he come from or what club is he from, Excuse my ignorance but what is his CV like or how did he manage to get involved with Sugrue this year?
Sean Cotter of Portlaoise club. Has been with Maynooth University Sigerson teams. Good coach apparently.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 22, 2019, 11:59:59 AM
Sugrue cannot come back. It is fantasy land. I'm sure the man thought it out and came to a decision he is happy with. To do a u-turn would be unprecedented and unhelpful (would bring massive pressure, attention and questions after every bad result). It is unfortunate but it is over.

I think it would be madness to thrust Kearns or Cotter or both into it. Keep them involved and learning, yes.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 22, 2019, 12:10:32 PM
Sugrue cannot come back. It is fantasy land. I'm sure the man thought it out and came to a decision he is happy with. To do a u-turn would be unprecedented and unhelpful (would bring massive pressure, attention and questions after every bad result). It is unfortunate but it is over.

I think it would be madness to thrust Kearns or Cotter or both into it. Keep them involved and learning, yes.

Itís madness if Stephen Rochford or Malachy O Rourke weíre available but thatís not what we are facing more like Luke Dempsey or Liam Kearns.  In reality how much more qualified was Sugrue or even Eddie Brennan. 

Need I remind you this county gave TOF a job and no one could be as bad as he was.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 22, 2019, 12:20:45 PM
Listen, I was no fan of TOF and I called out Creedon from Day 1. Nobody could consider Luke Dempsey.
I wouldn't put Liam Kearns in that bracket for one minute, that is my opinion.

Neither Cotter or Kearns have any major playing/coaching achievements behind them. To compare them to Eddie Brennan, a multiple all ireland winning hurler and U21 Leinster winning manager is simply ridiculous.

Picture the scene.
1) Things are coming to a head after a few bad results. Your manager starts talking about digging in and turning a corner. Expressing his belief in you. Coming from Brennan or coming from Cotter/Kearns?

2) Incident of indiscipline. A player is challenged and doesn't react well. "f**k you, what would you know about it......"

The above shouldn't be a problem, but realistically it is a problem.

I am not knocking either of them or their coaching ability, I am simply being realistic.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 22, 2019, 12:43:38 PM
I have no interest in this process at all. I don't know what happened with Sugrue, but his silence has thrown a cloud over the county. Even the minor manager explained himself and what about it? Perfectly understandable, thanks for your contribution and best of luck in the future. Simple. No need for rumours or speculation.

I hope our players wanted Sugrue to stay. If they did and stood there sucking their thumbs like the rest of us, I feel sorry for their inability to speak up for themselves. If they didn't want him to stay, they alone would know why and that's ok too. In my opinion, there is no doubt that he improved the team, and any shortcomings we had were because we didn't have enough quality in certain areas.

Sugrue remains the best candidate for the Laois job. I'm not sure who it would take to come in and change my opinion of that.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 22, 2019, 01:29:25 PM
For anyone taking the Laois job it's quiet a tricky task, they over achieved last year and possibly are favorites for relegation from Div 2.  This could lead to unrest in what will be a relatively new camp. 

To be honest I am very disappointed Sugrue( I regard him as a Laois based coach)  has left, my genuine belief is that the players should have a meeting and see if there is an appetite to go persuade Sugrue back.  My hope is that there would be,  genuinely I think we were only going to see Sugrue get better.  I think there was plenty of mistakes on his part but the end result was two promotions.  He was relatively new in the job so has a lot of learning to do,  but surely would have kept improving.  But for the good of Laois Football we should try persuade him to have a rethink.  He is the outstanding candidate.

If Sugrue were not to return my choice would be to go with his back room that is a Cotter/Kearns joint management.  They are young and hungry.  They are both Laois men and what the best for the county,  I realize there will be mistakes and all may not go well.  But the promotion of Laois based coaches should be top of the agenda in the County Board.  This merry go ground of  what are largely journey men coming and going has never served us well.  I don't see Kilkenny, Kerry or Dublin going outside of the county.  It is a real bug bear of mine why we have continually promoted those outside of the county above our own.

No coach in Laois has achieved anything of note. I don't even see a coach improving any side. Teams who improve in Laois tend to do so because a better batch of players came along. I'd like to see a Laois coach too, but they're not there unfortunately. I don't wish to be any more disrespectful than that, but let's stop the nonsense
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The Monument Road on August 22, 2019, 01:59:45 PM
Im out of the loop these days working away but i do keep in contact. Its disappointing to hear John Sugrue has gone. He had a something very good going on and for now to see it come to a complete halt is more disappointing. Hopefully someone of similar skills and distinction will be appointed. As a matter of interest is there a possibility that a few of "his" panel are not available next year. Im hearing that some players ( first team players) informed him that they are either retiring or taking a break abroad next year and that was the main reason he decided to step down. Maybe its only idle gossip. Only time will tell.