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Title: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 07, 2019, 10:23:19 PM
All to play for now
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: RedHand88 on July 07, 2019, 10:30:03 PM
Is this one really not televised?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 07, 2019, 11:19:43 PM
Is this one really not televised?

Where did you hear that?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2019, 11:21:45 PM
Is this one really not televised?

Where did you hear that?

Not on RTÉ anyway. Was sure it was myself. Must be skyjacked again.  >:(
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 07, 2019, 11:24:19 PM
Is this one really not televised?

Where did you hear that?

Not on RTÉ anyway. Was sure it was myself. Must be skyjacked again.  >:(

Strange I thought Sunday games are usually rte
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2019, 11:28:31 PM
Hurling quarter finals are. Kk v Cork, Tipp v Laois.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: MayoBuck on July 07, 2019, 11:28:55 PM
It's on RTE 1 I think. Programme starts at 3:45.

Hurling on RTE 2.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 07, 2019, 11:40:57 PM
It's on RTE 1 I think. Programme starts at 3:45.

Hurling on RTE 2.
Correct.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 07, 2019, 11:45:12 PM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: thewobbler on July 07, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
It’s men against boys.

Oddly I don’t know who to favour.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 08, 2019, 12:32:18 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 08, 2019, 12:45:53 AM
Mayo bullied Kerry in the league final. Physically, they seemed bigger, and stronger in the tackle. Not sure how Kerry will have improved on that front. Mayo totally controlled midfield that day too. Kerry will have David Moran back this time though, and Aidan O'Shea didn't look 100% to me against Galway, so could be a battle there. Barry is not a top level midfielder to my mind. Vaughan could contain him.

If Kerry can get the ball into Clifford often and cleanly though, I think he'll give that Mayo full back line a torrid time. Harrison struggled to hold him in the league final and could be a long afternoon for him if any sort of good ball goes into Clifford.

League final was a baptism of fire for young Sean O'Se. I expect he'll have learned from it.

Kerry have great forward options that could do serious damage, but defence is a shambles though. No natural defenders on that team. Wonder will Mayo introduce Andy Moran just to give Shane Enright a few flashbacks to 2017?

Based on recent meetings, I'd say Mayo to win. But this Mayo team are a peculiar bunch. As I said in the Galway v Mayo thread, they seem to enjoy chaos and don't seem satisfied unless they're involved in some kind of battle. So as always, it'll probably end up being a very close run thing. If they can contain Clifford and control the middle, I think Mayo will win. If David Moran lords it for Kerry in the middle and lets the ball into the forwards, Kerry FF line could run riot..
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: joemamas on July 08, 2019, 12:47:37 AM
Another “new” poster.
Shocker .
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2019, 01:13:52 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?   
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2019, 01:33:08 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?

They might do if it comes down to score difference
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 08, 2019, 01:41:06 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 08, 2019, 01:56:36 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?

Or lose by 1 point!

That's the thing. Mayo had a hurling lead v Galway but still nervy. Vaughan's point should have been a goal and game closed out for an 8 point win but we give them oxygen.
We do not do the simple housekeeping well.
I'm long enough around to know what we are like and while it's mad it's the reason I will be in Killarney next weekend, with the help of God. More drama. More madness.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blanketattack on July 08, 2019, 08:36:00 AM
I see paddy power has it 8/15 for Kerry, 15/8 Mayo or Kerry to win by 2 going by the handicap betting and I think that's about right. Mayo lost at home to Roscommon and Kerry beat Cork away and Cork and Roscommon are about the same. Also Kerry haven't lost a championship game at home since 1995. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: galwayman on July 08, 2019, 08:45:16 AM
If this game was being played anywhere but Killarney I would say Mayo without a shadow of a doubt.
The fact it’s in Killarney gives Kerry a far better chance I think.
But I still think Mayo will win.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: thewobbler on July 08, 2019, 08:47:58 AM
I see paddy power has it 8/15 for Kerry, 15/8 Mayo or Kerry to win by 2 going by the handicap betting and I think that's about right. Mayo lost at home to Roscommon and Kerry beat Cork away and Cork and Roscommon are about the same. Also Kerry haven't lost a championship game at home since 1995.

That’s really quite disparaging towards the Rossies
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2019, 09:01:00 AM
If this game was being played anywhere but Killarney I would say Mayo without a shadow of a doubt.
The fact it’s in Killarney gives Kerry a far better chance I think.
I don't know if Kerry are that good
they didn't go past the last 8 last year
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: BenDover on July 08, 2019, 09:09:01 AM
I'll be down in Killarney for this game, tried to get tickets online there but there's none available atm - is it too early? I'll keep trying, but which shops in Killarney sell tickets?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Tubberman on July 08, 2019, 09:12:12 AM
I'll be down in Killarney for this game, tried to get tickets online there but there's none available atm - is it too early? I'll keep trying, but which shops in Killarney sell tickets?

Centra and SuperValu sell the tickets.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2019, 09:13:18 AM
I'll be down in Killarney for this game, tried to get tickets online there but there's none available atm - is it too early? I'll keep trying, but which shops in Killarney sell tickets?

Apparently they're not available online until 10 this morning.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blanketattack on July 08, 2019, 09:57:31 AM
I see paddy power has it 8/15 for Kerry, 15/8 Mayo or Kerry to win by 2 going by the handicap betting and I think that's about right. Mayo lost at home to Roscommon and Kerry beat Cork away and Cork and Roscommon are about the same. Also Kerry haven't lost a championship game at home since 1995.

That’s really quite disparaging towards the Rossies

Bookies have it Evens for Cork and Evens for Roscommon in their mstch
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: RedHand88 on July 08, 2019, 10:05:55 AM
I see paddy power has it 8/15 for Kerry, 15/8 Mayo or Kerry to win by 2 going by the handicap betting and I think that's about right. Mayo lost at home to Roscommon and Kerry beat Cork away and Cork and Roscommon are about the same. Also Kerry haven't lost a championship game at home since 1995.

In fairness most of those are against Clare and Waterford.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blanketattack on July 08, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
I see paddy power has it 8/15 for Kerry, 15/8 Mayo or Kerry to win by 2 going by the handicap betting and I think that's about right. Mayo lost at home to Roscommon and Kerry beat Cork away and Cork and Roscommon are about the same. Also Kerry haven't lost a championship game at home since 1995.

In fairness most of those are against Clare and Waterford.

Also includes Monaghan.
Monaghan at home is no gimme, right? :P
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Kurtz on July 08, 2019, 10:30:29 AM
If this game was being played anywhere but Killarney I would say Mayo without a shadow of a doubt.
The fact it’s in Killarney gives Kerry a far better chance I think.

Current Kerry team are afraid of Mayo
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: highorlow on July 08, 2019, 10:36:11 AM
Who's our ref this weekend?

Have to say the last 2 refs were excellent for us. We will need more help on Sunday.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: larryin89 on July 08, 2019, 10:55:55 AM
Very pleased to have reached the last eight , satisfactory season no matter what happens now . You’d imagine the amount of games will take its toll now and Kerry will expose that in the second half of this game with a young pacey forward unit and big David Moran dominating the middle . Kerry by seven plus .
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2019, 10:56:34 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?

Or lose by 1 point!

That's the thing. Mayo had a hurling lead v Galway but still nervy. Vaughan's point should have been a goal and game closed out for an 8 point win but we give them oxygen.
We do not do the simple housekeeping well.
I'm long enough around to know what we are like and while it's mad it's the reason I will be in Killarney next weekend, with the help of God. More drama. More madness.

Dare say they rode their luck even more in 2017, the qualifiers are about getting through
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2019, 10:57:28 AM
Very pleased to have reached the last eight , satisfactory season no matter what happens now . You’d imagine the amount of games will take its toll now and Kerry will expose that in the second half of this game with a young pacey forward unit and big David Moran dominating the middle . Kerry by seven plus .

What better way to prepare than by playing matches
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: rosnarun on July 08, 2019, 12:21:16 PM
Another “new” poster.
Shocker .
ya f**k off the is a private form and you nee to be a member for 5 years before posting after being vouched or by 3 hero members ,


As for the match forget about about leagues etc .
 the bright side for mayo is Kerry Championship form has been far from spectacular so far .
maybe they are on a Slow build. this is very much the easier of the 2 group so some on is going to be very pissed off at not making it through . les hope its Donegal 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: twohands!!! on July 08, 2019, 04:33:53 PM
Mayo and Kerry have played each other twice this year - Kerry 0-11 Mayo 1-10 in Tralee and Kerry 2-10 Mayo 3-11 in the league final.

Lots of question marks on both sides, I don't think there's a whole lot between the two teams currently but I think it will come down to who turns up on the day.


Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: BennyCake on July 08, 2019, 04:57:39 PM
Mayo and Kerry have played each other twice this year - Kerry 0-11 Mayo 1-10 in Tralee and Kerry 2-10 Mayo 3-11 in the league final.

Lots of question marks on both sides, I don't think there's a whole lot between the two teams currently but I think it will come down to who turns up on the day.

I’d imagine both teams will turn up on the day. It would be stupid not to, after all the training they’ve done.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 08, 2019, 06:34:35 PM
I see paddy power has it 8/15 for Kerry, 15/8 Mayo or Kerry to win by 2 going by the handicap betting and I think that's about right. Mayo lost at home to Roscommon and Kerry beat Cork away and Cork and Roscommon are about the same. Also Kerry haven't lost a championship game at home since 1995.

That’s really quite disparaging towards the Rossies

Bookies have it Evens for Cork and Evens for Roscommon in their mstch

If the game was played in Hyde Park or Croke Park Roscommon would be the bookies favourties.  Cork will be playing in Div 3 next spring a level the rossies haven't played in since 2014.


If this game was being played anywhere but Killarney I would say Mayo without a shadow of a doubt.
The fact it’s in Killarney gives Kerry a far better chance I think.
I don't know if Kerry are that good
they didn't go past the last 8 last year

Most of Kerry's best players are young and inexperienced and in time they will be a good team. On Sunday they are up against a seasoned and experienced Mayo outfit who will have no fear of traveling to Killarney. I'm expecting Mayo to reach the last 4 regardless of the outcome of this match and whoever win the Croke Park match between Kerry and Donegal will likely join Mayo in the semi finals.

Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 08, 2019, 08:31:15 PM
Mayo bullied Kerry in the league final. Physically, they seemed bigger, and stronger in the tackle. Not sure how Kerry will have improved on that front. Mayo totally controlled midfield that day too. Kerry will have David Moran back this time though, and Aidan O'Shea didn't look 100% to me against Galway, so could be a battle there. Barry is not a top level midfielder to my mind. Vaughan could contain him.

If Kerry can get the ball into Clifford often and cleanly though, I think he'll give that Mayo full back line a torrid time. Harrison struggled to hold him in the league final and could be a long afternoon for him if any sort of good ball goes into Clifford.

League final was a baptism of fire for young Sean O'Se. I expect he'll have learned from it.

Kerry have great forward options that could do serious damage, but defence is a shambles though. No natural defenders on that team. Wonder will Mayo introduce Andy Moran just to give Shane Enright a few flashbacks to 2017?

Based on recent meetings, I'd say Mayo to win. But this Mayo team are a peculiar bunch. As I said in the Galway v Mayo thread, they seem to enjoy chaos and don't seem satisfied unless they're involved in some kind of battle. So as always, it'll probably end up being a very close run thing. If they can contain Clifford and control the middle, I think Mayo will win. If David Moran lords it for Kerry in the middle and lets the ball into the forwards, Kerry FF line could run riot..

I hope he receives better protection from referee and linesmen. Couldn't buy a free in league final.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 08, 2019, 08:32:43 PM
Another “new” poster.
Shocker .

That poster is making a valid contribution. What the issue?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 08, 2019, 08:40:23 PM
Mayo bullied Kerry in the league final. Physically, they seemed bigger, and stronger in the tackle. Not sure how Kerry will have improved on that front. Mayo totally controlled midfield that day too. Kerry will have David Moran back this time though, and Aidan O'Shea didn't look 100% to me against Galway, so could be a battle there. Barry is not a top level midfielder to my mind. Vaughan could contain him.

If Kerry can get the ball into Clifford often and cleanly though, I think he'll give that Mayo full back line a torrid time. Harrison struggled to hold him in the league final and could be a long afternoon for him if any sort of good ball goes into Clifford.

League final was a baptism of fire for young Sean O'Se. I expect he'll have learned from it.

Kerry have great forward options that could do serious damage, but defence is a shambles though. No natural defenders on that team. Wonder will Mayo introduce Andy Moran just to give Shane Enright a few flashbacks to 2017?

Based on recent meetings, I'd say Mayo to win. But this Mayo team are a peculiar bunch. As I said in the Galway v Mayo thread, they seem to enjoy chaos and don't seem satisfied unless they're involved in some kind of battle. So as always, it'll probably end up being a very close run thing. If they can contain Clifford and control the middle, I think Mayo will win. If David Moran lords it for Kerry in the middle and lets the ball into the forwards, Kerry FF line could run riot..

I hope he receives better protection from referee and linesmen. Couldn't buy a free in league final.

People keep saying this. I don't see what there was to complain about honestly. SOS was outfoxed that day. He is young and learned the hard way. He'll improve from it.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2019, 10:12:42 PM
This has the feeling of knockout game for Mayo as far as I’m concerned
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Jayop on July 08, 2019, 10:21:52 PM
This has the feeling of knockout game for Mayo as far as I’m concerned

I think it is really. I fancy Donegal to beat at least one of these and Meath, both Kerry and Mayo to beat Meath so the loser of this is really up against it.

Could easily see 3 teams on 4 points here with Meath having zero.

Tie-breaker

If only two teams are level on group points -

The team that won the head-to-head match is ranked first
If this game was a draw, score difference (total scored minus total conceded in all group games) is used to rank the teams
If score difference is identical, total scored is used to rank the teams
If still identical, a play-off is required
If three or more teams are level on group points, score difference is used to rank the teams.

That's a very likely scenario. Kerry have the advantage there because they're more able to run up a score I think. Donegal and Mayo would be very tight in that scenario.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2019, 10:28:48 PM
This has the feeling of knockout game for Mayo as far as I’m concerned

I think it is really. I fancy Donegal to beat at least one of these and Meath, both Kerry and Mayo to beat Meath so the loser of this is really up against it.

Could easily see 3 teams on 4 points here with Meath having zero.

Tie-breaker

If only two teams are level on group points -

The team that won the head-to-head match is ranked first
If this game was a draw, score difference (total scored minus total conceded in all group games) is used to rank the teams
If score difference is identical, total scored is used to rank the teams
If still identical, a play-off is required
If three or more teams are level on group points, score difference is used to rank the teams.

That's a very likely scenario. Kerry have the advantage there because they're more able to run up a score I think. Donegal and Mayo would be very tight in that scenario.

I think it may favour Mayo that they play meath in croke park
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Jayop on July 08, 2019, 10:37:02 PM
Hadn't considered that in fairness.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2019, 10:46:41 PM
Hadn't considered that in fairness.

Now there’s another side to that. Not to overlook Meath by any stretch of the imagination, but from a pure hypothetical POV, should Mayo build something like a ten point lead against Meath they can’t afford to let that slip back to three or four. It’s fine in a straight knockout but could be detrimental in super 8.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 08, 2019, 11:26:03 PM
This has the feeling of knockout game for Mayo as far as I’m concerned

Gone be the days when the last eight games was knockout.  For what it worth Kerry didn't recovered from their round 1 defeat that year the same will likely happen to them if they lose this game.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2019, 11:38:50 PM
This has the feeling of knockout game for Mayo as far as I’m concerned

Gone be the days when the last eight games was knockout.  For what it worth Kerry didn't recovered from their round 1 defeat that year the same will likely happen to them if they lose this game.

I think Mayo have it in them to go all the way if they get over the line in Killarney. If not it becomes a whole lot more difficult. As far as I’m concerned, it is a knockout tie for Mayo at least.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 08, 2019, 11:54:07 PM
This has the feeling of knockout game for Mayo as far as I’m concerned

Gone be the days when the last eight games was knockout.  For what it worth Kerry didn't recovered from their round 1 defeat that year the same will likely happen to them if they lose this game.

I think Mayo have it in them to go all the way if they get over the line in Killarney. If not it becomes a whole lot more difficult. As far as I’m concerned, it is a knockout tie for Mayo at least.

Its a group stage and no knockout ties in round one.  Mayo recover better than most from a defeat.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2019, 11:57:27 PM
This has the feeling of knockout game for Mayo as far as I’m concerned

Gone be the days when the last eight games was knockout.  For what it worth Kerry didn't recovered from their round 1 defeat that year the same will likely happen to them if they lose this game.

I think Mayo have it in them to go all the way if they get over the line in Killarney. If not it becomes a whole lot more difficult. As far as I’m concerned, it is a knockout tie for Mayo at least.

Not knockout but if Mayo lose down in Kerry they will have to beat Donegal in the 3rd game to progess. I fancy Meath might lose all of their games.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 09, 2019, 01:40:34 PM
I'm sure Kerry will be well up for this, they'll have heard all this week that they were bullied in the league final and nobody likes to hear that sort of talk.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: larryin89 on July 09, 2019, 01:52:16 PM
I'm sure Kerry will be well up for this, they'll have heard all this week that they were bullied in the league final and nobody likes to hear that sort of talk.

Id tend to agree and I hope the man in black has a good game as I fancy Kerry to be over pumped for this , Kerry are getting away with cynical play since time began in GAA . A good strong refereeing performance needed , the off the ball hits teams get away with when they play Mayo is a joke all because of this notion that mayo are street smart I think they call it .

If it’s a fair game Kerry by three to four if it’s unfair like 2014 Kerry could win by a big margin .
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: rosnarun on July 09, 2019, 03:39:19 PM
This has the feeling of knockout game for Mayo as far as I’m concerned

Gone be the days when the last eight games was knockout.  For what it worth Kerry didn't recovered from their round 1 defeat that year the same will likely happen to them if they lose this game.

I think Mayo have it in them to go all the way if they get over the line in Killarney. If not it becomes a whole lot more difficult. As far as I’m concerned, it is a knockout tie for Mayo at least.
why apart from the final defeat Donegal have never been much problem for mayo  esp at home. Aido will look after murphy like he did coming on was it 2? years ago. and if were serious at all we should beat meath in croke park  so id see this as a free shot for mayo. but im sure they ll go hell for leather to win it
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 09, 2019, 03:48:40 PM
As far as I’m concerned Mayo need to win all three
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 09, 2019, 04:02:15 PM
Even if Mayo lose at the weekend, they'll beat Donegal if they absolutely have to. Mayo play better in do or die situations and if they have to get one over Donegal, they will.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: whitey on July 09, 2019, 05:12:11 PM
Mayo should go balls to the wall to win on the weekend.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: bucko on July 09, 2019, 05:21:01 PM
Away in Philadelphia this weekend with work. By any small chance does anyone here know of anywhere in downtown Philly that might be showing the game??? ???
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Angelo on July 09, 2019, 06:10:34 PM
Mayo are all up in Kerry's heads and I think the pressure is all on Kerry this weekend.

I expect Mayo to win, I just think they are all wrong for Kerry style wise.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 09, 2019, 06:27:55 PM
Pressure all on Kerry...lose to Mayo and they will find it very hard to recover for Donegal in Croke Park the following Sunday.

Even if Mayo lose, they should have enough to get over Meath the following week, which will allow them a week's rest before a cracker v Donegal in Castlebar.  All bar Meath could have two wins each at the end of it all.

The Killarney game is huge for both teams.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 09, 2019, 06:31:50 PM
As far as I’m concerned Mayo need to win all three

All five would be nice
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 09, 2019, 06:39:54 PM
As far as I’m concerned Mayo need to win all three

All five would be nice

The first three wins will pave the way for two more wins im sure
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: larryin89 on July 09, 2019, 09:05:06 PM
Aidan o Mahoney reckons if the Kerry forwards clique they will go to town on Mayo , he also goes on to say “Kerry won’t be bullied , mark my words”. Has a bit of a pop at James Horan in a roundabout way saying how dare he say mayo could of won league final by ten points “

So it’s Bow to the kingdom little old mayo
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blanketattack on July 09, 2019, 09:49:49 PM
Aidan o Mahoney reckons if the Kerry forwards clique they will go to town on Mayo , he also goes on to say “Kerry won’t be bullied , mark my words”. Has a bit of a pop at James Horan in a roundabout way saying how dare he say mayo could of won league final by ten points “

So it’s Bow to the kingdom little old mayo

Aidan is probably over confident as during his playing days most encounters with Mayo, they were cannon fodder:
04, 05, 06, 11, 14
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: larryin89 on July 09, 2019, 09:58:22 PM
Aidan o Mahoney reckons if the Kerry forwards clique they will go to town on Mayo , he also goes on to say “Kerry won’t be bullied , mark my words”. Has a bit of a pop at James Horan in a roundabout way saying how dare he say mayo could of won league final by ten points “

So it’s Bow to the kingdom little old mayo

Aidan is probably over confident as during his playing days most encounters with Mayo, they were cannon fodder:
04, 05, 06, 11, 14

14 ! cannon fodder ? think You mean daylight robbery from a cheating basta Reilly . He cheated , I’ll never believe any different . A disgusting individual
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Angelo on July 09, 2019, 10:11:43 PM
O'Mahony seems very testy about any criticism of Kerry.

He threw a little strop after Sean Cavanagh criticised them on The Sunday Game.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 09, 2019, 11:13:16 PM
Aidan o Mahoney reckons if the Kerry forwards clique they will go to town on Mayo , he also goes on to say “Kerry won’t be bullied , mark my words”. Has a bit of a pop at James Horan in a roundabout way saying how dare he say mayo could of won league final by ten points “

So it’s Bow to the kingdom little old mayo

I dont really understand this. the kerry folk seem very upset about Horan's comment, but as far as i can tell, the league final score flattered Kerry. 12 points maybe an exaggerration but they def could and should have won by more.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: meathie on July 10, 2019, 12:15:22 AM
Aidan o Mahoney reckons if the Kerry forwards clique they will go to town on Mayo , he also goes on to say “Kerry won’t be bullied , mark my words”. Has a bit of a pop at James Horan in a roundabout way saying how dare he say mayo could of won league final by ten points “

So it’s Bow to the kingdom little old mayo

Aidan is probably over confident as during his playing days most encounters with Mayo, they were cannon fodder:
04, 05, 06, 11, 14

14 ! cannon fodder ? think You mean daylight robbery from a cheating basta Reilly . He cheated , I’ll never believe any different . A disgusting individual

 ::) ::) oh lord
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 10, 2019, 09:25:39 AM
Yea. Kerry to put little old Mayo back in their box is their thinking.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: rosnarun on July 10, 2019, 09:33:45 AM
Aidan o Mahoney reckons if the Kerry forwards clique they will go to town on Mayo , he also goes on to say “Kerry won’t be bullied , mark my words”. Has a bit of a pop at James Horan in a roundabout way saying how dare he say mayo could of won league final by ten points “

So it’s Bow to the kingdom little old mayo

I dont really understand this. the kerry folk seem very upset about Horan's comment, but as far as i can tell, the league final score flattered Kerry. 12 points maybe an exaggerration but they def could and should have won by more.

id pay very little hes to anything said in the week before  a game, like Firzmaurice, every chance hes doing Kerry gaa's dirty work  much like all these Dublin analysts that all seem to come out with the same Guff
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Bisbee on July 10, 2019, 09:39:24 AM
Away in Philadelphia this weekend with work. By any small chance does anyone here know of anywhere in downtown Philly that might be showing the game??? ???

you could try Tir na Og on Arch Street behind the City Hall.  I was there a few months back and they were showing games.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Kurtz on July 10, 2019, 12:17:16 PM
Aidan o Mahoney reckons if the Kerry forwards clique they will go to town on Mayo , he also goes on to say “Kerry won’t be bullied , mark my words”. Has a bit of a pop at James Horan in a roundabout way saying how dare he say mayo could of won league final by ten points “

So it’s Bow to the kingdom little old mayo

If they clique ?
Tells you all you need to know
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: larryin89 on July 10, 2019, 01:57:52 PM
That’s my mistake  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 10, 2019, 02:20:06 PM
O'Mahony seems very testy about any criticism of Kerry.

He threw a little strop after Sean Cavanagh criticised them on The Sunday Game.

Mahoney is a straight talker. Straight to the point
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: bucko on July 10, 2019, 02:25:30 PM
Away in Philadelphia this weekend with work. By any small chance does anyone here know of anywhere in downtown Philly that might be showing the game??? ???

you could try Tir na Og on Arch Street behind the City Hall.  I was there a few months back and they were showing games.
Thanks a mill, appreciate it.👍🏻
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Real Talk on July 10, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
O'Mahony seems very testy about any criticism of Kerry.

He threw a little strop after Sean Cavanagh criticised them on The Sunday Game.

Mahoney is a straight talker. Straight to the point
Very good footballer who was also a "cynical" player and always playing on "the edge" .  Did whatever/whoever needed to be done to win the game
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: highorlow on July 10, 2019, 03:52:48 PM
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Very good footballer who was also a "cynical" player and always playing on "the edge" .  Did whatever/whoever needed to be done to win the game

You left out "streetwise", he was very "streetwise".
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 10, 2019, 04:38:30 PM
Having watched the 2014 replay to see if it happened the way I remembered, I have to say it didn’t at all. A couple of 50/50 calls maybe, but Cormac Reilly seemed to give a fairly reasonable performance. A lot of talk about robbery but Mayo have only themselves to blame imo. Particularly after scoring two points after the first minute and a half of extra time and not scoring again.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 10, 2019, 04:45:52 PM
Having watched the 2014 replay to see if it happened the way I remembered, I have to say it didn’t at all. A couple of 50/50 calls maybe, but Cormac Reilly seemed to give a fairly reasonable performance. A lot of talk about robbery but Mayo have only themselves to blame imo. Particularly after scoring two points after the first minute and a half of extra time and not scoring again.

Did you look at it on YouTube?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 10, 2019, 04:49:26 PM
Having watched the 2014 replay to see if it happened the way I remembered, I have to say it didn’t at all. A couple of 50/50 calls maybe, but Cormac Reilly seemed to give a fairly reasonable performance. A lot of talk about robbery but Mayo have only themselves to blame imo. Particularly after scoring two points after the first minute and a half of extra time and not scoring again.

Did you look at it on YouTube?

Ya
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 10, 2019, 04:53:58 PM
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Very good footballer who was also a "cynical" player and always playing on "the edge" .  Did whatever/whoever needed to be done to win the game

You left out "streetwise", he was very "streetwise".

Mahoney played hard but fair
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 10, 2019, 04:57:34 PM
Having watched the 2014 replay to see if it happened the way I remembered, I have to say it didn’t at all. A couple of 50/50 calls maybe, but Cormac Reilly seemed to give a fairly reasonable performance. A lot of talk about robbery but Mayo have only themselves to blame imo. Particularly after scoring two points after the first minute and a half of extra time and not scoring again.

I thought Reilly done well. He wasn't going to get everything right. If mayo had adopted sweeper would have won replay.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 10, 2019, 05:33:01 PM
Having watched the 2014 replay to see if it happened the way I remembered, I have to say it didn’t at all. A couple of 50/50 calls maybe, but Cormac Reilly seemed to give a fairly reasonable performance. A lot of talk about robbery but Mayo have only themselves to blame imo. Particularly after scoring two points after the first minute and a half of extra time and not scoring again.

Donaghy got a free pass that day. You could not touch him or it was a free. So players stood off him hoping he'd make a mistake because it was as good as a point otherwise. This is a game of inches and the Ref is giving the opponents target man a leg up!

Enright should have had 4 Cards in the first half. He was rightly hauled off by Fitzmaurice before he'd make another misdemeanor Comical Cormac might be brave enough.

Mayo had to use up a Substitute to bring a bloodsubbed  Cillian O'Connor back into the game.

Kerry upped the anti that border-line hits became the norm.

Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: whitey on July 10, 2019, 05:57:10 PM
Having watched the 2014 replay to see if it happened the way I remembered, I have to say it didn’t at all. A couple of 50/50 calls maybe, but Cormac Reilly seemed to give a fairly reasonable performance. A lot of talk about robbery but Mayo have only themselves to blame imo. Particularly after scoring two points after the first minute and a half of extra time and not scoring again.

Donaghy got a free pass that day. You could not touch him or it was a free. So players stood off him hoping he'd make a mistake because it was as good as a point otherwise. This is a game of inches and the Ref is giving the opponents target man a leg up!

Enright should have had 4 Cards in the first half. He was rightly hauled off by Fitzmaurice before he'd make another misdemeanor Comical Cormac might be brave enough.

Mayo had to use up a Substitute to bring a bloodsubbed  Cillian O'Connor back into the game.

Kerry upped the anti that border-line hits became the norm.

And he also let Kerry take the resulting frees from wherever they wanted

The biggest missed call though was not sending off the Kerry corner back
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: larryin89 on July 10, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
Having watched the 2014 replay to see if it happened the way I remembered, I have to say it didn’t at all. A couple of 50/50 calls maybe, but Cormac Reilly seemed to give a fairly reasonable performance. A lot of talk about robbery but Mayo have only themselves to blame imo. Particularly after scoring two points after the first minute and a half of extra time and not scoring again.

He awarded a penalty when Shane enright dragged Cillian(?) down , he cheated by not giving a card . Why can’t people be honest , he awarded it so he obviously seen it , he was going to give a card then realized enright was on a card , he cheated , sin e
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 10, 2019, 09:18:07 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/reillys-officiating-lacked-consistency-284360.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/reillys-officiating-lacked-consistency-284360.html)
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: giveballaghback on July 11, 2019, 01:15:41 AM
Nothing as good as a good wake especially one that goes on for several years :'(
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: whitey on July 11, 2019, 02:26:45 AM
Nothing as good as a good wake especially one that goes on for several years :'(

68 years to be exact
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2019, 10:35:31 AM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/reillys-officiating-lacked-consistency-284360.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/reillys-officiating-lacked-consistency-284360.html)
BTW, Reilly never got an intercounty match again. That was a throwaway remark by Colm O'Rourke a few months ago. He was writing about Mayo's hard luck stories down the years and he put the 2014 games against Kerry into the mix.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Rossfan on July 11, 2019, 10:41:04 AM
Reilly got loads of games since.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: larryin89 on July 11, 2019, 11:40:55 AM
Reilly got loads of games since.

True but I’m near certain he was given a one year sentence behind the scenes, many games did he get in 2015?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: weareros on July 11, 2019, 11:51:10 AM
Reilly got loads of games since.

True but I’m near certain he was given a one year sentence behind the scenes, many games did he get in 2015?

We had to deal with him twice in 2015, as a linesman (disallowed a clear Murtagh point) and ref, and that was more than enough.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: rosnarun on July 11, 2019, 12:54:01 PM
jaysus lads give it up. we had bad luck we lost , its the story of sport
now we have another game to look forward to .
the lateness in announcing teams cause a lot this sort of shite to be spoken . no real new , not even mant roumers this wee, though I heard Clifford is be recruited by Muster  egg chasing  company teo.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 11, 2019, 04:43:14 PM
Shouldn't have gone to a replay either.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 11, 2019, 05:26:16 PM
Shouldn't have gone to a replay either.
Yeah and I kinda blame the manager for that.  Maybe not for the drawn game but certainly for the replay. Donaghy. Even without Leeroy Mayo were in control up till Donaghy was brought on. It became very obvious that he had the beating of Caff in the air. I couldn't believe it when I saw Caff was going to be left on Donaghy for the replay and Donaghy went to town on him.
Caff can't be blamed for that as he was left isolated and Jamesy O'D was allowed to pick up the breaking balls Donaghy directed to him. Again, he was left on his own- not even a sweeper to contest any breaking balls.
Horan was always bang on on most things but he had at least one fatal flaw and I hope it doesn't return to haunt us on Sunday. He could be extremely reluctant to make changes when things were obviously going wrong on the field and this game was one of those times.
I can't recall this happening since he returned and I just hope it don't happen again on Sunday.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Whishtup on July 11, 2019, 11:09:01 PM
 I'll go for Kerry all day long.  Mayo shcraping past tier2, tier3 teams until now, much like last year before Kildare match.  Kerry will be angered by the league final and the crowd will be like a 16th man.  Would be better for the group to tee up a Mayo/Donegal finale (assuming Meath don't pull off a few shocks).  Game of the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: weareros on July 11, 2019, 11:50:48 PM
I was just thinking isn’t it interesting that the Kerry, Mayo, Donegal And Meath group is the green and something group, the super greens.  It should provide an opportunity to give a good airing to the second geansai.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 12, 2019, 01:47:38 AM
I was just thinking isn’t it interesting that the Kerry, Mayo, Donegal And Meath group is the green and something group, the super greens.  It should provide an opportunity to give a good airing to the second geansai.

Don't like the Kerry Gold geansai at all at all.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 12, 2019, 07:31:04 AM
I was just thinking isn’t it interesting that the Kerry, Mayo, Donegal And Meath group is the green and something group, the super greens.  It should provide an opportunity to give a good airing to the second geansai.

Don't like the Kerry Gold geansai at all at all.

There's some awful moaning going on about the gold jersey on the kerry forum   ;D
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2019, 07:36:05 AM
I'll go for Kerry all day long.  Mayo shcraping past tier2, tier3 teams until now, much like last year before Kildare match.  Kerry will be angered by the league final and the crowd will be like a 16th man.  Would be better for the group to tee up a Mayo/Donegal finale (assuming Meath don't pull off a few shocks).  Game of the qualifiers.

Agree with the jist of what you're saying. But Galway are now tier.2 or 3?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Halfquarter on July 12, 2019, 11:13:17 AM
Anyone thinking of going to Killarney would want to bring their own sandwiches with them.
Had a meal there this week, rip off prices, worse than New York.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 02:05:47 PM
Anyone thinking of going to Killarney would want to bring their own sandwiches with them.
Had a meal there this week, rip off prices, worse than New York.

Nonsense you wont get better than Killarney
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2019, 02:49:43 PM
I'll go for Kerry all day long.  Mayo shcraping past tier2, tier3 teams until now, much like last year before Kildare match.  Kerry will be angered by the league final and the crowd will be like a 16th man.  Would be better for the group to tee up a Mayo/Donegal finale (assuming Meath don't pull off a few shocks).  Game of the qualifiers.

Agree with the jist of what you're saying. But Galway are now tier.2 or 3?

There is no tiers yet thankfully. What about Kerry "shcraping" past Cork and they were no more convincing v Clare as Mayo was v Down (similar quality teams are Down and Clare in my view)

Anger not much use if Kerry don't come up with a plan to shore up their defence and find ways to at least break even in midfield. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 12, 2019, 03:09:33 PM
The Mayo team according to the Con Telegraph

David Clarke
Chris Barrett, Brendan Harrison, Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Stephen Coen
Aidan O'Shea, Donal Vaughan
Fionn McDonagh, Kevin McLoughlin, Jason Doherty
Cillian O'Connor, Darren Coen, James Carr.

Durcan has been ruled out with a leg injury they also say.

Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2019, 06:07:14 PM
Worried about our full back line once again.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 12, 2019, 08:20:32 PM
Ryan
Foley Morley Sullivan
Murphy Sherwood White
Moran O’Connor
Burns O’Shea O’Brien
Clifford Geaney Moynihan

Decent team on paper anyway
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 14, 2019, 01:07:09 PM
The Mayo team according to the Con Telegraph

David Clarke
Chris Barrett, Brendan Harrison, Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Stephen Coen
Aidan O'Shea, Donal Vaughan
Fionn McDonagh, Kevin McLoughlin, Jason Doherty
Cillian O'Connor, Darren Coen, James Carr.

Durcan has been ruled out with a leg injury they also say.
I don't think he could have done any better- he's putting the best out- that is if he doesn't start fooling around with the selection before the throw in again.
Watching Cork yesterday, I think Mayo have to be favourites today. Kerry's one game of note this summer was the one against Cork and I though t Cork really put it up to them then. If that's a reliable form line and given that Mayo have mastered Kerry twice already this year, I think Mayo should have four or five points to spare at the end.
Of course, with Mayo, you never can tell.....
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 03:21:45 PM
The Mayo team according to the Con Telegraph

David Clarke
Chris Barrett, Brendan Harrison, Keith Higgins
Lee Keegan, Colm Boyle, Stephen Coen
Aidan O'Shea, Donal Vaughan
Fionn McDonagh, Kevin McLoughlin, Jason Doherty
Cillian O'Connor, Darren Coen, James Carr.

Durcan has been ruled out with a leg injury they also say.
I don't think he could have done any better- he's putting the best out- that is if he doesn't start fooling around with the selection before the throw in again.
Watching Cork yesterday, I think Mayo have to be favourites today. Kerry's one game of note this summer was the one against Cork and I though t Cork really put it up to them then. If that's a reliable form line and given that Mayo have mastered Kerry twice already this year, I think Mayo should have four or five points to spare at the end.
Of course, with Mayo, you never can tell.....

I think Mayo will win by 1 or 2 points goals like the league final will likely be the difference again. Something like 3-12 to 1-16.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 03:43:33 PM
I wouldn’t know too much about the extended Kerry panel, so I could be missing someone, but I can’t see any standout midfield options on the bench and Moran will hardly last 70 in that weather
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 14, 2019, 03:53:44 PM
Gavin Crowley, Adrian Spillane, Shane Enright and James Donoghue in for Kerry.  Kerry will win handy. Expect to win by 10plus.  We didn't show for league final. Nows our day. Not end world for loser today  as both will beat Donegal
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 03:56:17 PM
Gavin Crowley, Adrian Spillane, Shane Enright and James Donoghue in for Kerry.  Kerry will win handy. Expect to win by 10plus.  We didn't show for league final. Nows our day. Not end world for loser today  as both will beat Donegal

There is doubt you are from Kerry.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: armaghniac on July 14, 2019, 04:03:47 PM
What is it with these jerseys?
Surely Mayo could wear something with a lot of red and Kerry mostly white?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 04:06:25 PM
Poor poor start
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: TheOptimist on July 14, 2019, 04:11:30 PM
Few handy frees for Kerry there
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 04:12:08 PM
Kerry getting very soft frees inside
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 04:12:20 PM
11 minutes played Kerry 0-7 Mayo 0-3. Like the earlier game loads of room for the two forwards lines to score and create. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2019, 04:22:24 PM
Another all star nailed on for Clarke
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: whitey on July 14, 2019, 04:23:12 PM
Kerry getting very soft frees inside

3 in a row
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 04:24:47 PM
Mayo playing the foot passing game again, but apparently they’ve forgotten how to play a pass
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 04:26:39 PM
Kerry well on top and should be further ahead. 25 mins played Kerry 0-11 Mayo 0-4.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 04:27:49 PM
This could be over at half time
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: clarshack on July 14, 2019, 04:29:44 PM
Mayo were blowing out of their arses after about 15 mins.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: J70 on July 14, 2019, 04:30:04 PM
Hope Bonner and Patton are watching this intently.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: dublin7 on July 14, 2019, 04:33:02 PM
Mayo being wiped out at midfield and David Clarke is having a nightmare from kick outs.

Aidan O'Shea only involvement so far is a dive to win a free after maybe 30 min
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 04:33:37 PM
Mayo's first score for 16 minutes! 32 minutes played Kerry 0-14 Mayo 0-5
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: whitey on July 14, 2019, 04:35:23 PM
How many million views did that video have again?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 04:38:20 PM
That’s as stonewall a black card as they come, you might as well scrap the rule if that’s not a black card
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: J70 on July 14, 2019, 04:39:04 PM
That’s as stonewall a black card as they come, you might as well scrap the rule if that’s not a black card

Off the ball.

Ref missed it.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 04:39:12 PM
Half time Kerry 0-15 Mayo 0-6. A outstanding first half performance by Kerry and they really be leading by more than 9 points. David Moran rolling back the year with a superb display.

Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Kurtz on July 14, 2019, 04:42:40 PM
That’s as stonewall a black card as they come, you might as well scrap the rule if that’s not a black card

Swings and roundabouts
Mayo do it too
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: yellowcard on July 14, 2019, 04:43:35 PM
Most impressive display of any side to date in this years championship in that first half by Kerry. Defensively they have been excellent, Moran has dominated the skies and their forwards have been excellent although O’Donoghue has been below par. Men against boys and Mayos kick passing has been dreadful whilst they have very little energy from that middle 8 today.

Overall a disappointing game for the neutral in the sense that it is so one sided and was over after 25 minutes.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 04:45:30 PM
Game set match.
Half time in the first game but I think that’s full time on Mayo’s season.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 14, 2019, 04:47:00 PM
Gavin Crowley, Adrian Spillane, Shane Enright and James Donoghue in for Kerry.  Kerry will win handy. Expect to win by 10plus.  We didn't show for league final. Nows our day. Not end world for loser today  as both will beat Donegal

There is doubt you are from Kerry.

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Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: dublin7 on July 14, 2019, 04:49:28 PM
That’s as stonewall a black card as they come, you might as well scrap the rule if that’s not a black card

Should have been black. Mayo player should also have got one for taking out Stephen O'Brien off the ball. Ref seen that one but didnt hand out a black card for some reason
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: highorlow on July 14, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
Time for Horan to empty the bench now if he realizes he is allowed too.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 04:50:15 PM
Very impressive from Kerry
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 14, 2019, 04:52:59 PM
Most impressive display of any side to date in this years championship in that first half by Kerry. Defensively they have been excellent, Moran has dominated the skies and their forwards have been excellent although O’Donoghue has been below par. Men against boys and Mayos kick passing has been dreadful whilst they have very little energy from that middle 8 today.

Overall a disappointing game for the neutral in the sense that it is so one sided and was over after 25 minutes.

Would agree with most of that and its true for a game that had so much hype its disappointing that its so one sided so far.

Game set match.
Half time in the first game but I think that’s full time on Mayo’s season.

Far from over yet for Mayo. Meath in Croke park and Donegal in MacHale Park and Mayo will likely be favourites for both games.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: smelmoth on July 14, 2019, 04:53:19 PM
Anybody watching on RTE via a sky dish? The picture resolution is poor. Is it the same on other platforms?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 04:56:55 PM
Most impressive display of any side to date in this years championship in that first half by Kerry. Defensively they have been excellent, Moran has dominated the skies and their forwards have been excellent although O’Donoghue has been below par. Men against boys and Mayos kick passing has been dreadful whilst they have very little energy from that middle 8 today.

Overall a disappointing game for the neutral in the sense that it is so one sided and was over after 25 minutes.

Would agree with most of that and its true for a game that had so much hype its disappointing that its so one sided so far.

Game set match.
Half time in the first game but I think that’s full time on Mayo’s season.

Far from over yet for Mayo. Meath in Croke park and Donegal in MacHale Park and Mayo will likely be favourites for both games.

Meath will not fear them after this, won’t get near Donegal if they can’t get hands on the ball.
Going into it with lots of games, but now momentum is gone and potentially terrible score difference .
Hope I’m wrong
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 14, 2019, 04:59:18 PM
Playing 3 weeks running took alot out if Mayo,
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 05:07:01 PM
46 minutes played. Pace of the game has dropped a lot in this half  Kerry 0-17 Mayo 0-8
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: smelmoth on July 14, 2019, 05:07:48 PM
Playing 3 weeks running took alot out if Mayo,

Really??

Are they not just being outplayed?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2019, 05:08:36 PM
Why does Vaughan always end up with the ball near the goal, when he can’t shoot or score?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: yellowcard on July 14, 2019, 05:10:49 PM
Game has got so scrappy now riddled with fouls.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 05:12:52 PM
That just had to be a goal
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2019, 05:13:58 PM
Playing 3 weeks running took alot out if Mayo,

Mayo's conditioning level looks poor which is a surprise for them.  Mileage on clock showing up today however in a lot of those Mayo players.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 05:14:35 PM
Phantom head injury there for Kerry number 5
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2019, 05:17:33 PM
Thought Kerry might be well up for this one today. Lot of talk in the build up about them being bullied by Mayo in the league. Always a great motivating factor.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 05:17:44 PM
Goal for Kerry awful defending from Mayo.  56 mins gone. Kerry 1-18 Mayo 0-10
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 05:18:27 PM
And that’s come from a f**king double hop from Doherty
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: trailer on July 14, 2019, 05:24:09 PM
This is the end for Mayo.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: whitey on July 14, 2019, 05:25:26 PM
Way too much hype in the build up to this one.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
A Mayo penalty pushed over the bar sums up their day. 68 mins played Kerry 1-21 Mayo 0-15
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: yellowcard on July 14, 2019, 05:30:21 PM
The amount of cynical fouling this half has been ridiculous, woeful spectacle since half time.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: seafoid on July 14, 2019, 05:34:25 PM
The end of something for Mayo
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 14, 2019, 05:34:40 PM
How many million views did that video have again?

Had to laugh at that one.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 05:35:45 PM
Full time Kerry 1-22 Mayo 0-15. I for one certainly underrated Kerry and read too much into their performances in the Munster and NFL final. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 14, 2019, 05:37:16 PM
A 9 and a 10 point win in group one today.

Granted Meath were close for a long time.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: shark on July 14, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
Full time Kerry 1-22 Mayo 0-15. I for one certainly underrated Kerry and read too much into their performances in the Munster and NFL final.

Probably more a case of underestimating Cork’s quality. In hindsight the Munster Final was a good win for Kerry away from home against a decent side.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2019, 05:39:00 PM
Vaughan is a passenger. Brings nothing to that team.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: joemamas on July 14, 2019, 05:58:51 PM
Vaughan is a passenger. Brings nothing to that team.

A bit over critical, last week was the first game he played this year.

I did not expect Mayo to win today. It was the perfect storm, four Sunday’s in a row, they looked shagged.
Arguably best defender P Durcan out since last week, Aidan O Shea trying to play midfield on his own.
Kerry rested and flying, they also negated Kevin Macloughlin one of our main playmakers
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2019, 06:03:42 PM
From the 2nd minute on it was only going one way. Torn apart all over the park. Well done Kerry. Far superior. Croí briste arís.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 14, 2019, 06:05:15 PM
Vaughan is a passenger. Brings nothing to that team.

Thought he was the only one driving the team forward for large spells
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: yellowcard on July 14, 2019, 06:10:13 PM
You’d also have to wonder why Andy Moran doesn’t start. Surely trying to get wins in the here and now is more important than building for the future. Mayo really felt the loss of Durcan and D O’Connor today. Meath showed enough today to suggest that they could overturn Mayo next week.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 06:22:56 PM
Well done Kerry. 4 games in 4 weeks to much for Dads Army.

To many games and to many injuries.

Did they Kerry team clap the League Champions  on to the bus?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 14, 2019, 06:43:11 PM
Magnificent display from our lads. 15 first half points..closed out perfectly.  If win next weekend can rest lads for Meath game. All credit to mayo coming back in second half
 The damage was done in first half. David Moran controlled the game
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 14, 2019, 07:16:37 PM
It was really a great victory for Mayo as young Cillian has surpassed the Gooch as the greatest scorer of all time in Killarney.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: maigheo on July 14, 2019, 07:35:51 PM
South DublinBro would you ever go fu-k off and leave us alone
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 14, 2019, 07:54:50 PM
You’d also have to wonder why Andy Moran doesn’t start. Surely trying to get wins in the here and now is more important than building for the future. Mayo really felt the loss of Durcan and D O’Connor today. Meath showed enough today to suggest that they could overturn Mayo next week.

Worrying for Meath they faded badly in the final quarter of today's game. Used up a lot energy in today's heat also just to be competitive before falling away and i doubt 1 week is enough time to fully recover from that.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 08:13:25 PM
Kerry were very good but I think Mayo really felt the loss of Diarmuid O'Connor, Durcan and Ruane and they lost that running power around the middle that Kerry struggle to live with.

I thought the lack of pace inside for Mayo was a problem, Coen and O'Connor are good finishers but they struggled to win the ball kicked in.

Other than that, they were bet up a stick at midfield, destroyed on kickouts and their tackling was extremely poor.

Hurson is another one of those refs who is too busy looking for off the ball things rather than following the play.

Stephen O'Brien, Moran and Clifford seemed to be the pick of the Kerry players.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: imtommygunn on July 14, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Wasn’t Ruane playing?

Clifford looks borderline unmarkable.

On today’s showings Mayo and Donegal the big game and Kerry that bit above the rest.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: highorlow on July 14, 2019, 08:31:50 PM
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Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
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Wasn’t Ruane playing?

Get off the weed
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: imtommygunn on July 14, 2019, 08:39:07 PM
Ah mix3d him up with someone else d’oh. Yes it must be all that weed ???
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 14, 2019, 08:47:41 PM
Played off the park from the 2nd minute.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 14, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
Kerry were very good but I think Mayo really felt the loss of Diarmuid O'Connor, Durcan and Ruane and they lost that running power around the middle that Kerry struggle to live with.

I thought the lack of pace inside for Mayo was a problem, Coen and O'Connor are good finishers but they struggled to win the ball kicked in.

Other than that, they were bet up a stick at midfield, destroyed on kickouts and their tackling was extremely poor.

Hurson is another one of those refs who is too busy looking for off the ball things rather than following the play.

Stephen O'Brien, Moran and Clifford seemed to be the pick of the Kerry players.

Three players that played in the defeat to Roscommon.  Mayo lacked pace all over due to heavy legs, loads of aimless kicking passing throughout that game and for defence full of All stars it was totally disjointed. I regarded the three most conditioned teams as Dublin,Tyrone,Mayo and Mayo are miles behind the other two in conditioning right now.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 14, 2019, 08:58:32 PM
Well done Kerry, much the better team today.

Destroyed on kickouts, some awful passing and players not close enough to their man all over the field.

We definitely missed the legs around the middle with the 3 injured players

It's going to be difficult for Horan to get the players up for next weekend after a tanking like that
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: dublin7 on July 14, 2019, 09:00:18 PM
Played off the park from the 2nd minute.

If Hennelly had put in a performance in goal like Clarke did today there would be people calling for his head. That was as bad as it gets in the 1st half. His kick outs seemed to hang in the air for an eternity and it killed Mayo time and again. He  made it easy for Kerry players (especially Moran) to attack with his style of  almost lobbing them out to midfield.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Erne Man on July 14, 2019, 09:16:15 PM
I think Horan owes his players big time over the next 2 games. Yes Kerry were superb all over their field the field, but Mayo set up was shockingly naive from the off. Leaving defenders isolated 1 on 1, no visible strategy for their own or Kerry kickouts, wrong match ups etc.
Neither Tyrone or Dublin will leave the Kerry inside line 1 on 1, or as much space for the runners from deep.
Difficult to see Mayo recovering from this one.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 09:58:08 PM
Being saying this for a while now. This is not 2017 anymore! Mayo are still wise enough to grind out wins against the mediocre teams. But our lads are old or battle weary! This is not the end but it is another stage towards the end!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 14, 2019, 10:56:54 PM
I think Horan owes his players big time over the next 2 games. Yes Kerry were superb all over their field the field, but Mayo set up was shockingly naive from the off. Leaving defenders isolated 1 on 1, no visible strategy for their own or Kerry kickouts, wrong match ups etc.
Neither Tyrone or Dublin will leave the Kerry inside line 1 on 1, or as much space for the runners from deep.
Difficult to see Mayo recovering from this one.

It is. Do you really think Horan will do something different next 2 games than he usually does? 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 11:12:57 PM
Will be interesting to see how many Mayo fans go to Croke Park next weekend. Given the itinerary the last couple of weeks. Today was like an end of season midtable premiership match. There are of course a heap of Mayo people living in Dublin and of course the 5k season ticket holders are blackmailed into attending.

Mayo are really depending on Kerry beating Donegal next weekend. If they don't Mayo are as good as gone!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 14, 2019, 11:32:57 PM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 14, 2019, 11:44:14 PM
Shame the football ruined a great day down in Killarney. The town before the game was packed but relaxed at the same time. Pity we didn't get a contest to match the venue and occasion. Cant't blame Kerry though. They showed up.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 14, 2019, 11:48:24 PM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 14, 2019, 11:51:54 PM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

Would be less of a mess if Mayo did as they were expected to do this summer (win Connacht)  At least Mayo can be thankfully they are still in the battle as the last time they reached they last 8 there was no group stage just straight knock out football.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: MayoBuck on July 14, 2019, 11:59:31 PM
Dreadful all round from us. Clarke's kickouts a disaster but Vaughan has never been a midfielder. We were just stuck to the ground in the first half. Probably a combination of 4 consecutive weekends and the fact Kerry had a point to prove. The heat was very intense too.

Would struggle to pick out good performances. Cillian probably best but missing the penalty was disappointing. Higgins kept James O'Donoghue quiet but that's not a huge achievement these days. Thought all our subs made a positive impact but the game was up when most of them came on.

Also, Sean Cavanagh was right about the Kerry fans. Booing frees isn't uncommon these days but I've never seen so much abuse directed at individual players.

Anyway, need to make a few changes for next week especially in the middle 3rd. Options are slim with the 3 injuries though.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 15, 2019, 12:00:52 AM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

Would be less of a mess if Mayo did as they were expected to do this summer (win Connacht)  At least Mayo can be thankfully they are still in the battle as the last time they reached they last 8 there was no group stage just straight knock out football.

But there should be a middle ground. It's all well and good to say they should have just won their province, but it isn't just about Mayo, it's about all teams that have to play qualifiers, and the provincial championships are a huge problem in the championship structure anyway. The scheduling is a joke. Telling teams to just suck it up isnt going to actually solve the problem.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: The Hill is Blue on July 15, 2019, 12:02:35 AM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution.

Same as it ever was. In the past, whenever Dublin dominated, the rest of the country became Kerry supporters. Nothing’s changed.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 15, 2019, 12:27:56 AM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution.

Same as it ever was. In the past, whenever Dublin dominated, the rest of the country became Kerry supporters. Nothing’s changed.

Not everybody thinks that way.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: From the Bunker on July 15, 2019, 12:38:03 AM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution.

Same as it ever was. In the past, whenever Dublin dominated, the rest of the country became Kerry supporters. Nothing’s changed.

Not everybody thinks that way.

I'd rather see Dublin win 10 in a row, than Kerry win one!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 15, 2019, 01:43:01 AM
Dreadful all round from us. Clarke's kickouts a disaster but Vaughan has never been a midfielder. We were just stuck to the ground in the first half. Probably a combination of 4 consecutive weekends and the fact Kerry had a point to prove. The heat was very intense too.

Would struggle to pick out good performances. Cillian probably best but missing the penalty was disappointing. Higgins kept James O'Donoghue quiet but that's not a huge achievement these days. Thought all our subs made a positive impact but the game was up when most of them came on.

Also, Sean Cavanagh was right about the Kerry fans. Booing frees isn't uncommon these days but I've never seen so much abuse directed at individual players.

Anyway, need to make a few changes for next week especially in the middle 3rd. Options are slim with the 3 injuries though.

I think any evaluation of our subs has to be done in the context that the game was over early and Kerry was just closing out the game after 20 mins and really the game was decided first 10 mins. Waste of time reviewing this game back to front and calling out individual players in retrospect. We were done early - very early - and any evaluation of the game just needs focus on how we managed the first 10 minutes. Dreadfully obviously.  That was the game. Why did that happen?
 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: galwayman on July 15, 2019, 07:27:19 AM
Dreadful all round from us. Clarke's kickouts a disaster but Vaughan has never been a midfielder. We were just stuck to the ground in the first half. Probably a combination of 4 consecutive weekends and the fact Kerry had a point to prove. The heat was very intense too.

Would struggle to pick out good performances. Cillian probably best but missing the penalty was disappointing. Higgins kept James O'Donoghue quiet but that's not a huge achievement these days. Thought all our subs made a positive impact but the game was up when most of them came on.

Also, Sean Cavanagh was right about the Kerry fans. Booing frees isn't uncommon these days but I've never seen so much abuse directed at individual players.

Anyway, need to make a few changes for next week especially in the middle 3rd. Options are slim with the 3 injuries though.

I think any evaluation of our subs has to be done in the context that the game was over early and Kerry was just closing out the game after 20 mins and really the game was decided first 10 mins. Waste of time reviewing this game back to front and calling out individual players in retrospect. We were done early - very early - and any evaluation of the game just needs focus on how we managed the first 10 minutes. Dreadfully obviously.  That was the game. Why did that happen?
Kerry have every chance of doing Donegal next weekend which gives ye a decent chance of progressing.
In a one off game against Donegal that isn’t up there - Mayo would fancy themselves I think.
The dubious reward of the Dubs next up then though.
In fairness, Kerry were awesome in the first half and the game was over at half time.
The margin of victory was the only thing in doubt.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: sambostar on July 15, 2019, 08:13:41 AM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

Would be less of a mess if Mayo did as they were expected to do this summer (win Connacht)  At least Mayo can be thankfully they are still in the battle as the last time they reached they last 8 there was no group stage just straight knock out football.

But there should be a middle ground. It's all well and good to say they should have just won their province, but it isn't just about Mayo, it's about all teams that have to play qualifiers, and the provincial championships are a huge problem in the championship structure anyway. The scheduling is a joke. Telling teams to just suck it up isnt going to actually solve the problem.
Some crying from Mayo fans re injuries & scheduling. Every team has injuries, Dubs missing McCarthy & Cooper, Tyrone missing Hampsey & R Donnelly. If you were good enough to win Connaught you wouldn’t have had 4 games in 4 weeks. When you see the ease Tyrone put away the Connaught champions in their own backyard maybe you should realise you are just not good enough
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2019, 09:38:29 AM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution.

Same as it ever was. In the past, whenever Dublin dominated, the rest of the country became Kerry supporters. Nothing’s changed.
Aye, but when Dublin beat Kerry in 2012, the vast majority of neutrals were rooting for the Dubs!
Same back in '82 when Offaly stuffed Kerry, we all became Offaly supporters.
You seem more thin-skinned than most about this Culchies against the Dubs crap.
You can blame Dub fans for a lot of that.
Not so long ago, the Hill was off-limits to anyone who wasn't a Dub. The team always got ot warm up in front of the Hill and before a game or whenever Dublin scored, the players would run to that corner to pay homage to their fans. It was intimidation pure and simple and real in yer face stuff. No wonder others got pissed off with that carry on.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blast05 on July 15, 2019, 09:58:42 AM
My musings!....

Clarke .... its the 2nd time his kickouts have been completely cracked - the other one our demolition in the league v Dublin in CP couple of years back. By 'cracked' i mean where he was forced to kick long, not because the opposition went man to man (they didn't - because that would allow Mayo to cluster our players in the middle and the run to the wings) but that they filled their zones high up the pitch. Clarke then ended up kicking long way too often - and his long kicks are absolutely shocking. Even our minor keepers are much better - longer and don't hang. A keeper at this level needs to be able to hit it 70 metres if needed - not a hanging 50 as in Clarkes case. Such an ability by Clarke would have completely changed the dynamic on his kickouts as Kerry half back line would have had to sit 20 metres closer to their own goals on Mayo kickouts.
And why did he keep running to the 20 metre line to speed things up after every Kerry score. In the 2nd quarter, from a Mayo perspective, the game was crying out for a 'tactical' injury!!!

Aidan ..... he always seems to struggle on a warm/hot day. Same yesterday. His energy levels don't seem to be where they need to be on such days

Paddy Durkin ..... missing him was by far the single biggest factor in Mayos below par performance imo. He always always brings energy and drive up his wing.... an energy and drive that other players, and indeed the crowd, feed off. We so desperately needed an option of 1 or 2 guys breaking forward from the half back line. That brings McLoughlin more into the game and allows Cillian and Darren Cohen feed off lay offs from the runners and whip them over the bar. If we don't have him back for Meath game then i'd be really worried....

In summary from Mayos perspective .... i had hoped that without having the pressure of the game being knockout like the previous 3 weeks that Mayo won have a good crack at it. Play without the pressure and be able to express themselves. Enjoy the game almost. I guess i didn't expect such ferocity from Kerry even despite their talk of not wanting to be bullied. So, Mayo were bullied instead. We will all forgive them of course and its onwards to Meath. I can handle not making the semis if we were to say lose to Donegal in Castlebar having beaten Meath. But to be knocked out by Meath which would end this Mayo team, and would give Meath a massive lift ..... that would be a bit tough to stomach!!


Oh and finally, a somewhat Irrelevant point - just more curious whether anyone else noticed .... Kerry maor uisce kept running on to the pitch just after a Kerry score and with a Mayo coloured top on. At first glance for Clarke, he was probably like an extra Mayo player. I couldn't understand the logic of it. Surely he should have been told to wear a bright coloured bib. It was presumably more of a potential disadvantage to Kerry. A nothing issue in the bigger scheme of things but will be keeping an eye on him next week a bit more out of curiosity to see if i can figure out if there is something smarter going on than i could see!!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2019, 10:04:09 AM
This was about the Galway hurlers but the same analysis would apply to Mayo
who have been on the go since 2011

1. Galway now hurl mostly in bursts.

2 A side with serious mileage, with more or less the same set of players doing the legwork,
lapses into this contour.

3. Their leading figures are at least five years into a cycle that began in 2015 ― eight years since 2012, in some cases.

3 The fact that X could return from a period travelling and slot straight back into the championship team speaks for itself. So does the continued prominence of Y and Z

4. If Galway don't get that
consistency of performance across the 70 minute s then they're going to run out of lives soon. 

5. Galway effectively ground to a halt through unexpected replays which took an increasing toll on them
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 15, 2019, 11:12:47 AM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

Would be less of a mess if Mayo did as they were expected to do this summer (win Connacht)  At least Mayo can be thankfully they are still in the battle as the last time they reached they last 8 there was no group stage just straight knock out football.

But there should be a middle ground. It's all well and good to say they should have just won their province, but it isn't just about Mayo, it's about all teams that have to play qualifiers, and the provincial championships are a huge problem in the championship structure anyway. The scheduling is a joke. Telling teams to just suck it up isnt going to actually solve the problem.
Some crying from Mayo fans re injuries & scheduling. Every team has injuries, Dubs missing McCarthy & Cooper, Tyrone missing Hampsey & R Donnelly. If you were good enough to win Connaught you wouldn’t have had 4 games in 4 weeks. When you see the ease Tyrone put away the Connaught champions in their own backyard maybe you should realise you are just not good enough

I'm not from Mayo.
My comment is about something larger than Mayo. That there are people who are happy for the ridiculous structure and scheduling of the championship to stay the way it is just because they want certain teams to fail speaks volumes about where the mentality of supporters is at nowadays in the organisation.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 15, 2019, 11:24:35 AM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution.

Same as it ever was. In the past, whenever Dublin dominated, the rest of the country became Kerry supporters. Nothing’s changed.

Not everybody thinks that way.

I'd rather see Dublin win 10 in a row, than Kerry win one!

What did Kerry do to deserve all that hate?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: omagh_gael on July 15, 2019, 11:57:37 AM
From an neurtral point of view you'd have to come down very hard on Clarke's kickouts. They were abysmal for this level. Sunday game last night highlighted the huge spaces behind midfield up the wings. If Morgan, Parton, Cluxton or Beggan faced that press they'd have sent 70m bombs up into those spaces for a flick on etc. I bet big David Morgan couldn't believe his luck when Clarke floated those hangers in around the 45/midfield area.

Even one or two low flight, past midfield kicks would have put manners on the Kerry press. How the hell did this message not get out to Clarke from the bench? He's a big lump of a lad, surely he had the distance and could kick using a low trajectory!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: highorlow on July 15, 2019, 12:05:18 PM
Question for Kerry “supporters”. What’s  the kick ye get out of booing individual players?

Was it not enough for ye to be 8 points up for most of the game.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 15, 2019, 12:12:51 PM
Agree with everyone on Clarke's kick outs. Killed us. Leaving the full back line exposed, killed us. Missing Paddy Durcan, killed us. Terrible at midfield killed us and so on and so forth.

I was on the terrace down where Mayo were doing their warm up. Surely to God the day was warm enough without having to run out as far as the 21 line as fast as possible for about ten times at least, and run back again. Not sure what Kerry did but any time I looked down they were kicking footballs!

It was over early on. But why the hell does Horan take until half-time to do anything about it? Maybe Seamie O'Shea could have been brought on with 20 mins gone, might have stifled some threat that Vaughan, who isn't a midfielder (if I'd a euro for every time I said that I would be a bit wealthier) did.

PS, all the Kerry supporters around me were dead on. However on the way out I was met with 'HOW'S YOUR MAYO FOR SAM CAMPAIGN COMING ALONG NOW BOIIII HAHA'.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Hound on July 15, 2019, 12:24:45 PM

I'm not from Mayo.
My comment is about something larger than Mayo. That there are people who are happy for the ridiculous structure and scheduling of the championship to stay the way it is just because they want certain teams to fail speaks volumes about where the mentality of supporters is at nowadays in the organisation.
???

Who do they want to fail?

Mayo haven't won Connacht in a while, but they've been favourites to win it for each of the last 6 or 7 years, and but for missing a tap over free could well have won it this year despite their injuries. Tyrone came through the back door last year and got to an All Ireland final. They could do the same again this year.

Playing every week would be no big deal to Mayo any other year. Once the training is sensible, most players would actually prefer it. But it's the injuries that have crippled Mayo this year. And you've as much chance of getting injured in training as in a match, and Mayo's injuries have been split between the two I understand. Even if Mayo had won Connacht and played that same starting team in Castlebar v Tyrone, they would have been well beaten. Durkan and Ruane have probably been Mayo's two best players this year, and you'd expect a big game from DOC at this stage of the championship too. Huge losses. Plus Kerry really did up their game.

 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 15, 2019, 12:32:25 PM
Question for Kerry “supporters”. What’s  the kick ye get out of booing individual players?

Was it not enough for ye to be 8 points up for most of the game.

Didn't hear any myself.  Sure there always a small minority acting the gowl
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 15, 2019, 12:37:58 PM

I'm not from Mayo.
My comment is about something larger than Mayo. That there are people who are happy for the ridiculous structure and scheduling of the championship to stay the way it is just because they want certain teams to fail speaks volumes about where the mentality of supporters is at nowadays in the organisation.
???

Who do they want to fail?

Mayo haven't won Connacht in a while, but they've been favourites to win it for each of the last 6 or 7 years, and but for missing a tap over free could well have won it this year despite their injuries. Tyrone came through the back door last year and got to an All Ireland final. They could do the same again this year.

Playing every week would be no big deal to Mayo any other year. Once the training is sensible, most players would actually prefer it. But it's the injuries that have crippled Mayo this year. And you've as much chance of getting injured in training as in a match, and Mayo's injuries have been split between the two I understand. Even if Mayo had won Connacht and played that same starting team in Castlebar v Tyrone, they would have been well beaten. Durkan and Ruane have probably been Mayo's two best players this year, and you'd expect a big game from DOC at this stage of the championship too. Huge losses. Plus Kerry really did up their game.

Even with Ruane, Durcan i reckon Tyrone would have beaten Mayo in Castlebar then next up would be Croke Park v Dublin and almost certain defeat leaving the last game a dead rubber.

At least the situation Mayo face currently gives them a better chance to reach the last 4. Are favourites to beat Meath and if they do they could face a do or die match v Donegal which is normally the types of games these Mayo players love to play in.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2019, 12:45:45 PM
Are teams on level points separated by the head to head result or points difference because if Donegal beat Kerry next weekend then Mayo look goosed on points difference unless they go out and annihilate Meath?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Rossfan on July 15, 2019, 12:47:47 PM
Head to head if 2 teams level.
Score difference if more than 2 teams level or the head to head was a draw.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Armagh18 on July 15, 2019, 12:47:59 PM
Are teams on level points separated by the head to head result or points difference because if Donegal beat Kerry next weekend then Mayo look goosed on points difference unless they go out and annihilate Meath?
2 teams head to head, but if 3 teams level then scoring difference I think.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
Head to head if 2 teams level.
Score difference if more than 2 teams level or the head to head was a draw.

I guess Donegal beating Kerry and then Mayo beating Donegal could easily lead to a 3 way tie in the end. Providing Meath don't spring a surprise.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Dubhaltach on July 15, 2019, 01:48:04 PM
There was only ever going to be one winner yesterday. After last year's no show in the super 8s, Kerry treated the match as do or die and  they fought for every ball like their lives depended on it. Mayo were the polar opposite, extremely casual throughout and it was like they had it in the back of their minds that the Meath and Donegal games were the important games. The big problem with that mindset is that if Donegal beat Kerry next weekend, we're as good as out. The amount of of sloppy kick-passes by Mayo yesterday was criminal and I think it had a lot to do with this overall casual attitude.

Even though it wouldn't have changed the result, I thought Sean Hurson absolutely rode Mayo in the first half. He gave Kerry 4 very soft frees, one each against Harrison, Keegan, Aidan and McDonagh. He missed a blatant black card for Spillane and awarded a point to Sean O Se that was clearly wide. At the other end, he didn't give a stonewall free to James Carr and another time gave no advantage to Darren Coen despite putting up his hand.

As others have said, kickout strategy was a shambles and the real damage was done between the 20th and 30th minute. With Kerry pushing up so high, there was an acre of space behind them. Surely the thing to do when a short one wasn't on was to kick a long boomer over the high press. I've seen Clarke get decent distance before so no reason we could have gone with that yesterday.

The performance of David Clifford was pure class. The man is virtually unmarkable when given a good supply of ball and left one on one. One of the few silver linings to take away from the long trip to Killarney.


Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: whitey on July 15, 2019, 01:53:11 PM
All of those soft frees came at the same time as Mayo we’re struggling to get into the game mid way through the first half. We’d still have been beaten and beaten well, but the game wouldn’t have been over by half time.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: rosnarun on July 15, 2019, 02:04:58 PM
Agree with everyone on Clarke's kick outs. Killed us. Leaving the full back line exposed, killed us. Missing Paddy Durcan, killed us. Terrible at midfield killed us and so on and so forth.

I was on the terrace down where Mayo were doing their warm up. Surely to God the day was warm enough without having to run out as far as the 21 line as fast as possible for about ten times at least, and run back again. Not sure what Kerry did but any time I looked down they were kicking footballs!

It was over early on. But why the hell does Horan take until half-time to do anything about it? Maybe Seamie O'Shea could have been brought on with 20 mins gone, might have stifled some threat that Vaughan, who isn't a midfielder (if I'd a euro for every time I said that I would be a bit wealthier) did.

PS, all the Kerry supporters around me were dead on. However on the way out I was met with 'HOW'S YOUR MAYO FOR SAM CAMPAIGN COMING ALONG NOW BOIIII HAHA'.
the Goalie Question is now seriously back on the agenda . though Clarke did make one brilliant save and read another very well , what Slingerman like?

One thing I will say though is from having watched Mayo football for a long time is one weeks performance is a poor indicator of the following or indeed previous one,
I would stiil expect may to to beat Meath and Donegal , and if ketty can carry that Form to croke park they would take caes of Donegal and it an all-Ireland semi for mayo and  from them on its a whole new ball game again
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Halfquarter on July 15, 2019, 02:25:31 PM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution.

Same as it ever was. In the past, whenever Dublin dominated, the rest of the country became Kerry supporters. Nothing’s changed.

Not everybody thinks that way.

I'd rather see Dublin win 10 in a row, than Kerry win one!

What did Kerry do to deserve all that hate?
You made a substantial contribution yourself.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blast05 on July 15, 2019, 02:28:37 PM
Even though it wouldn't have changed the result, I thought Sean Hurson absolutely rode Mayo in the first half. He gave Kerry 4 very soft frees, one each against Harrison, Keegan, Aidan and McDonagh. He missed a blatant black card for Spillane and awarded a point to Sean O Se that was clearly wide. At the other end, he didn't give a stonewall free to James Carr and another time gave no advantage to Darren Coen despite putting up his hand.

There was another in the 2nd half (can't recall who kicked it) but on the Sunday game, commentary remarked how it brushed/bounced off the top of the post.
If there had been a Hawkeye and the umpire deferred to, it would have come back with the message "of course its not a point ya blind feckin' idjiot"   ;D  .... but point for Kerry
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 15, 2019, 02:51:51 PM
As abject and toothless a performance as I've seen from a Mayo team in a long time. Some of them didn't even look remotely interested in being there and beaten to every ball from the first minute. Kerry looked hungrier and more up for it from the word go. I guess this is what happens when injuries and games on top of games add up. Kerry had a couple of weeks to prepare for this game while Mayo have been bouncing from game to game, week in and week out while juggling injuries. It caught up with them. Kerry were fresh and prepared while Mayo looked out on their feet. The scheduling for these games is an absolute mess. It shouldn't be that one team is able to bounce into this phase of the competition after a couple of weeks' break while another is doing multiple games on the trot just to get to the next phase where they will have to continue playing week in week out in the Super 8s. Every team should be given some breathing space to prepare for this stage of the competition.

That said, Mayo were miserable to watch. Leggy, disinterested, kickouts an absolute shit show from the word go, defenders seriously lacking pace, forwards receiving the worst ball imaginable. When you make Shane Enright look like a quality defender, you know something is seriously amiss with your team.

It's a serious uphill battle for Mayo now. I'm not even sure they'll beat Meath, I don't even know if they'll win a single game in this Super 8s. I'm also not sure Kerry will do them a favour next week either and beat Donegal.

The Super Duper 8's is set up to take extra money from Mayo fans and made it almost impossible for their aging team to be successful  in it.

I have had a strange numbness about inter-county football for the last 2 years. There was a time when I would be depressed about today's result.  I sort of don't care now.

I look at the Sunday Game and they talk about the Championship as it is 2009 again. It's not!

The worst thing about this Dublin dominance is that the GAA fraternity are looking to Kerry for a solution.

Same as it ever was. In the past, whenever Dublin dominated, the rest of the country became Kerry supporters. Nothing’s changed.

Not everybody thinks that way.

I'd rather see Dublin win 10 in a row, than Kerry win one!

What did Kerry do to deserve all that hate?
You made a substantial contribution yourself.

??
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 15, 2019, 02:53:53 PM
There was only ever going to be one winner yesterday. After last year's no show in the super 8s, Kerry treated the match as do or die and  they fought for every ball like their lives depended on it. Mayo were the polar opposite, extremely casual throughout and it was like they had it in the back of their minds that the Meath and Donegal games were the important games. The big problem with that mindset is that if Donegal beat Kerry next weekend, we're as good as out. The amount of of sloppy kick-passes by Mayo yesterday was criminal and I think it had a lot to do with this overall casual attitude.

Even though it wouldn't have changed the result, I thought Sean Hurson absolutely rode Mayo in the first half. He gave Kerry 4 very soft frees, one each against Harrison, Keegan, Aidan and McDonagh. He missed a blatant black card for Spillane and awarded a point to Sean O Se that was clearly wide. At the other end, he didn't give a stonewall free to James Carr and another time gave no advantage to Darren Coen despite putting up his hand.

As others have said, kickout strategy was a shambles and the real damage was done between the 20th and 30th minute. With Kerry pushing up so high, there was an acre of space behind them. Surely the thing to do when a short one wasn't on was to kick a long boomer over the high press. I've seen Clarke get decent distance before so no reason we could have gone with that yesterday.

The performance of David Clifford was pure class. The man is virtually unmarkable when given a good supply of ball and left one on one. One of the few silver linings to take away from the long trip to Killarney.

Swings and roundabouts.Gough gave Mayo a dose of handy frees in 2017 replay between the two teams
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Tatler Jack on July 15, 2019, 03:42:55 PM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!

Had you a few drinks when you wrote this Lar or just lost the run of yourself with your eloquence? Bating Kerry half way up Carrauntoohill! Not even the most fervent Dubs supporter would have such notions. Bit of a reality check and a few Carrauntoohills in front of ye.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 15, 2019, 04:43:52 PM

I'm not from Mayo.
My comment is about something larger than Mayo. That there are people who are happy for the ridiculous structure and scheduling of the championship to stay the way it is just because they want certain teams to fail speaks volumes about where the mentality of supporters is at nowadays in the organisation.
???

Who do they want to fail?

Mayo haven't won Connacht in a while, but they've been favourites to win it for each of the last 6 or 7 years, and but for missing a tap over free could well have won it this year despite their injuries. Tyrone came through the back door last year and got to an All Ireland final. They could do the same again this year.

Playing every week would be no big deal to Mayo any other year. Once the training is sensible, most players would actually prefer it. But it's the injuries that have crippled Mayo this year. And you've as much chance of getting injured in training as in a match, and Mayo's injuries have been split between the two I understand. Even if Mayo had won Connacht and played that same starting team in Castlebar v Tyrone, they would have been well beaten. Durkan and Ruane have probably been Mayo's two best players this year, and you'd expect a big game from DOC at this stage of the championship too. Huge losses. Plus Kerry really did up their game.

Again, I'm not talking solely about Mayo.

Why are people content with this scheduling where some teams come into the Super 8s with multiple games on the trot and others have 2-3 weeks preparation? Why are people happy for that to continue? GAA scheduling is a joke from inter county to club level, and people are just happy to let it continue it seems.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: WhoDat on July 15, 2019, 04:45:11 PM
There was only ever going to be one winner yesterday. After last year's no show in the super 8s, Kerry treated the match as do or die and  they fought for every ball like their lives depended on it. Mayo were the polar opposite, extremely casual throughout and it was like they had it in the back of their minds that the Meath and Donegal games were the important games. The big problem with that mindset is that if Donegal beat Kerry next weekend, we're as good as out. The amount of of sloppy kick-passes by Mayo yesterday was criminal and I think it had a lot to do with this overall casual attitude.

Even though it wouldn't have changed the result, I thought Sean Hurson absolutely rode Mayo in the first half. He gave Kerry 4 very soft frees, one each against Harrison, Keegan, Aidan and McDonagh. He missed a blatant black card for Spillane and awarded a point to Sean O Se that was clearly wide. At the other end, he didn't give a stonewall free to James Carr and another time gave no advantage to Darren Coen despite putting up his hand.

As others have said, kickout strategy was a shambles and the real damage was done between the 20th and 30th minute. With Kerry pushing up so high, there was an acre of space behind them. Surely the thing to do when a short one wasn't on was to kick a long boomer over the high press. I've seen Clarke get decent distance before so no reason we could have gone with that yesterday.

The performance of David Clifford was pure class. The man is virtually unmarkable when given a good supply of ball and left one on one. One of the few silver linings to take away from the long trip to Killarney.

Swings and roundabouts.Gough gave Mayo a dose of handy frees in 2017 replay between the two teams

Kerry were never winning that semi final regardless.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 15, 2019, 04:46:39 PM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!

Had you a few drinks when you wrote this Lar or just lost the run of yourself with your eloquence? Bating Kerry half way up Carrauntoohill! Not even the most fervent Dubs supporter would have such notions. Bit of a reality check and a few Carrauntoohills in front of ye.
Yes I know, I know! ;D
But read the last four words you bolded and you'll see what I was getting at...."but will they though"
I also aid I'd expect Mayo to win by  at least five points but I wouldn't be easy until the game was well and truly over or something like that.
I wasn't being arrogant here but only pointing out that Mayo were  apt to do anything and were totally inconsistent. They had already met Kerry twice this year and had dominated both games but should have won both by a lot more than they did. If any other top team had been in Mayo's position in either league game they'd be no doubt about the result by half time. AS it was Mayo could have lost either game or won it by a few points more.
Going into the game on Sunday, Mayo should have been clear favourites if you were going on form alone yet I would not say there were many Mayo people who'd bet good money on the result.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 16, 2019, 12:01:58 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!

Had you a few drinks when you wrote this Lar or just lost the run of yourself with your eloquence? Bating Kerry half way up Carrauntoohill! Not even the most fervent Dubs supporter would have such notions. Bit of a reality check and a few Carrauntoohills in front of ye.
Yes I know, I know! ;D
But read the last four words you bolded and you'll see what I was getting at...."but will they though"
I also aid I'd expect Mayo to win by  at least five points but I wouldn't be easy until the game was well and truly over or something like that.
I wasn't being arrogant here but only pointing out that Mayo were  apt to do anything and were totally inconsistent. They had already met Kerry twice this year and had dominated both games but should have won both by a lot more than they did. If any other top team had been in Mayo's position in either league game they'd be no doubt about the result by half time. AS it was Mayo could have lost either game or won it by a few points more.
Going into the game on Sunday, Mayo should have been clear favourites if you were going on form alone yet I would not say there were many Mayo people who'd bet good money on the result.

I for one feared for us in Killarney but I went and was enjoying the day until the game started.
We were wiped out and for a top tier experienced team, humiliated. No nice way of dressing this up. No other serious team would have been 'bitch slapped' like that. A Kerry schoolboy team would not be trampled like that in McHale Park. It was painful to watch. But, guess what? As far as I could see our players were trying really hard. Fatigue was not a factor. Older lads like Boyle, Higgins and a still not up to speed Vaughan lasted the trip. Laughably Boyle was thought to be through 2 years ago. Realistically we need to get at least 2 more years out of Boyle and Higgins but if they walk away at the end of this campaign they owe nobody nothing. We are unlikely to see the likes of them again anytime soon.
 Most disappointingly our promising younger players were hauled off. Kerry young fellas were flying. Why? Fatigue was not an issue imo.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Halfquarter on July 16, 2019, 09:12:04 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!

Had you a few drinks when you wrote this Lar or just lost the run of yourself with your eloquence? Bating Kerry half way up Carrauntoohill! Not even the most fervent Dubs supporter would have such notions. Bit of a reality check and a few Carrauntoohills in front of ye.
Yes I know, I know! ;D
But read the last four words you bolded and you'll see what I was getting at...."but will they though"
I also aid I'd expect Mayo to win by  at least five points but I wouldn't be easy until the game was well and truly over or something like that.
I wasn't being arrogant here but only pointing out that Mayo were  apt to do anything and were totally inconsistent. They had already met Kerry twice this year and had dominated both games but should have won both by a lot more than they did. If any other top team had been in Mayo's position in either league game they'd be no doubt about the result by half time. AS it was Mayo could have lost either game or won it by a few points more.
Going into the game on Sunday, Mayo should have been clear favourites if you were going on form alone yet I would not say there were many Mayo people who'd bet good money on the result.

I for one feared for us in Killarney but I went and was enjoying the day until the game started.
We were wiped out and for a top tier experienced team, humiliated. No nice way of dressing this up. No other serious team would have been 'bitch slapped' like that. A Kerry schoolboy team would not be trampled like that in McHale Park. It was painful to watch. But, guess what? As far as I could see our players were trying really hard. Fatigue was not a factor. Older lads like Boyle, Higgins and a still not up to speed Vaughan lasted the trip. Laughably Boyle was thought to be through 2 years ago. Realistically we need to get at least 2 more years out of Boyle and Higgins but if they walk away at the end of this campaign they owe nobody nothing. We are unlikely to see the likes of them again anytime soon.
 Most disappointingly our promising younger players were hauled off. Kerry young fellas were flying. Why? Fatigue was not an issue imo.

Lookit , Kerry won a football match in Killarney , they looked good on the day , time will tell if they are the real deal, at the moment their heads must be exploding with all the praise.

Mayo were not great on the day,whatever the reason, theses things happen when you are playing a lot of matches on the road in a short space of time.

We now have to take it on the chin from the experts / pundits and suck it up.

 Lots of players coming out with statements ,Paul Murphy in the paper today talking about “ point to prove “ etc. Moran majestic ,ruling the skies in Killarney etc. etc . I have seen him play a lot for his club Kerins O'Rahillys, there have been plenty of days when it has not happened for him.( like most other players ,to be fair ) .

If they believe the hype ,they are finished .

 The next few matches will be interesting.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 16, 2019, 09:36:09 AM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!

Had you a few drinks when you wrote this Lar or just lost the run of yourself with your eloquence? Bating Kerry half way up Carrauntoohill! Not even the most fervent Dubs supporter would have such notions. Bit of a reality check and a few Carrauntoohills in front of ye.
Yes I know, I know! ;D
But read the last four words you bolded and you'll see what I was getting at...."but will they though"
I also aid I'd expect Mayo to win by  at least five points but I wouldn't be easy until the game was well and truly over or something like that.
I wasn't being arrogant here but only pointing out that Mayo were  apt to do anything and were totally inconsistent. They had already met Kerry twice this year and had dominated both games but should have won both by a lot more than they did. If any other top team had been in Mayo's position in either league game they'd be no doubt about the result by half time. AS it was Mayo could have lost either game or won it by a few points more.
Going into the game on Sunday, Mayo should have been clear favourites if you were going on form alone yet I would not say there were many Mayo people who'd bet good money on the result.

I for one feared for us in Killarney but I went and was enjoying the day until the game started.
We were wiped out and for a top tier experienced team, humiliated. No nice way of dressing this up. No other serious team would have been 'bitch slapped' like that. A Kerry schoolboy team would not be trampled like that in McHale Park. It was painful to watch. But, guess what? As far as I could see our players were trying really hard. Fatigue was not a factor. Older lads like Boyle, Higgins and a still not up to speed Vaughan lasted the trip. Laughably Boyle was thought to be through 2 years ago. Realistically we need to get at least 2 more years out of Boyle and Higgins but if they walk away at the end of this campaign they owe nobody nothing. We are unlikely to see the likes of them again anytime soon.
 Most disappointingly our promising younger players were hauled off. Kerry young fellas were flying. Why? Fatigue was not an issue imo.
I think so too and that's what worries me the most. I don't think anyone was holding back and not giving 100% but the fluency and mutual understanding that we were used to was missing. The entire team seemed to be just going through the motions, as it were. I said back around the time of the Roscommon that we don't have a happy camp.
I haven't heard any rumours about dissension in the camp and I certainly don't want to start any either but there's something not quite right inn the set up. If I was a betting man I'd say that there are selection or tactics issues but that only a personal feeling, not a fact. On a different note, I think it's very wide of the mark to criticise David Clarke for the team's failings.
If his kickouts were being won by Kerry players it's because no Mayo half back or midfielder was showing for them. If Cluxton or Rory Beggan has been taking the kickouts on Sunday they's have no better luck.
Anyway, if there is a problem with Clarke's restarting, why not get somebody else? There's no law, ASAIK, that says a goalie must kick the ball out.
There was a time when one of the full back line did that and I don't recall any goalie taking on the job back then.
I may be wrong but I believe Stephen Cluxton started the habit and now every buck between the sticks has to do the same. He may not have been the first to do so but he was the first goalie to take 45s and long range frees and now almost everyone else is doing the same.

Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2019, 09:49:25 AM
Christ Lar, you must be of my father's vintage! He was on about that - full back kicking the ball out - yesterday too. I don't think Cluxton started the keeper kicking it out. It was done in the 90s anyway.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: seafoid on July 16, 2019, 10:20:17 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/kevin-mcstay-mayo-can-only-be-judged-when-it-s-do-or-die-1.3957547

The stats of that game are not merely interesting, they are startling. Just take Mayo’s first-half turnovers – I counted 13. But the type of error they committed fascinated me: eight foot-passes to Kerry men and one over the side line. Two kickouts: one directly over the sideline and one went straight to a Kerry player.
Two hand-passes went to Kerry players. Seven consecutive turnovers were kick-passes. This was a bizarre run of errors. How much pressure were the Mayo players under when they made these mistakes? Not much at all, it turns out. It just looked like a complete breakdown of their skills execution. You cannot build a winning platform when you are giving the ball away that cheaply.
Add in, then, that the Mayo kickout was completely dismantled: seven long kicks out lost in the first half which gave David Moran a plethora of “marks”. Mayo couldn’t get the ball moving with any speed in the middle sector of the field.
And then in the second half, they committed crazy technical errors – a double-hop; two pick-ups off the ground; three over-carries. It all made me wonder: how focused were they here? How concentrated were they? And they seemed a little bit unbothered to me afterwards. Going around shaking hands like gentlemen, not looking particularly perturbed.
Beating heart
James Horan sounded very ready to forget it. If you think about it, the idea they were going to outrun and out-tempo Kerry in their fourth consecutive championship weekend in a match that meant everything to Kerry was pushing it. Not to say they went out to lose intentionally, but the mood for do-or-die is set during the week. And maybe it just wasn’t that for James Horan’s team.
Mayo got a big rub of the green in that they are playing an emerging Super 8 team in Meath next week. In Killarney, they did not put in the effort and energy that would make you think that their championship life depended on the result. Why? Because it did not. The stakes were different for Kerry – the importance of not being bullied by Mayo; of minding the Killarney record, of making a statement . . . it was huge.
But maybe in the meeting room during the week, this game was just not uppermost in Mayo priorities. And once you set that tone, the savage edge that is vital to a winning camp – and is the beating heart of Mayo – becomes diluted
So this weekend will tell us a lot about Mayo. We have already learned about Kerry. I think it is safe to say they will qualify for the All-Ireland semi-finals and probably as group winners. A scenario could emerge where three teams are on four points in the group. But the smart money is on Kerry in pole position with Donegal in second place. However, Mayo remain a very dangerous team: written off – again – and believed to be vulnerable.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Rossfan on July 16, 2019, 10:59:54 AM
So Mayowestros just weren't bothered on Sunday?? ::)
Why didn't they field a B selection so?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Hound on July 16, 2019, 11:31:30 AM
Christ Lar, you must be of my father's vintage! He was on about that - full back kicking the ball out - yesterday too. I don't think Cluxton started the keeper kicking it out. It was done in the 90s anyway.
Maybe Lar is your father!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: weareros on July 16, 2019, 11:48:43 AM
Christ Lar, you must be of my father's vintage! He was on about that - full back kicking the ball out - yesterday too. I don't think Cluxton started the keeper kicking it out. It was done in the 90s anyway.

It was always a fella in the fullback line that had a belter of a kick. But it was liable to go anywhere: over the sideline, into the crowd. But it’s intended target was middle of field and may the best man catch it or slap it down. Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen. Hennelly can send kicks that launch an attack (look at Ruanes point against Ros) and can do the point blank saves too - saved a certain goal from Glennon. Yes he can get caught on a short kickout as can every goalie.  But he’s the better option for Mayo should a team press up like Kerry and have a strong midfield.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 16, 2019, 12:55:15 PM
Christ Lar, you must be of my father's vintage! He was on about that - full back kicking the ball out - yesterday too. I don't think Cluxton started the keeper kicking it out. It was done in the 90s anyway.
Maybe Lar is your father!
;D Lar is blessed to be from Mayo, but not THAT blessed!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blast05 on July 16, 2019, 02:42:48 PM
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On a different note, I think it's very wide of the mark to criticise David Clarke for the team's failings.
If his kickouts were being won by Kerry players it's because no Mayo half back or midfielder was showing for them. If Cluxton or Rory Beggan has been taking the kickouts on Sunday they's have no better luck.
Anyway, if there is a problem with Clarke's restarting, why not get somebody else? There's no law, ASAIK, that says a goalie must kick the ball out.

Lars, those comments demonstrate a very poor understanding of how the game is played.

Put simply - Clarkes doesn't have a driver in the bag. He goes from a wedge to about a 5 iron.
Every keeper at this level needs to have a driver in the bag, i.e.: to be able to kick the ball 70+ metres at a relatively low trajectory if needed. Clarke can do about 50 metres but lofted. The Kerry half back line were fully primed for this whereby they pushed far up the field on his kickouts. The dynamic would have been completely different if they thought there was a chance of the kickout going 20 metres further.

Yes, this limitation has always been an extra challenge for us on our kickouts for years, but we have managed to workaround it up to now as no team has ever played a full press against us (bar Dublin in the league couple of years ago in Croke Park) and ensured each position was occupied when the kickout was being taken, i.e.: first fill their position on the pitch for the kickout and only move out of that position if you must.

Clarke is the GOAT when it comes to shot stopping, dominating the square and penalties. But our minor keeper even has a bigger and better boot on him.
Of course Kerrys intensity versus ours was a factor in contesting kickouts. But the cat is out of the bag now though .... i would be shocked if Meath didn't try something similar at the weekend.

As far someone else taking the kickouts .... i can only conclude that you just stepped out of a time machine or are a wind-up merchant!!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 16, 2019, 03:24:01 PM
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On a different note, I think it's very wide of the mark to criticise David Clarke for the team's failings.
If his kickouts were being won by Kerry players it's because no Mayo half back or midfielder was showing for them. If Cluxton or Rory Beggan has been taking the kickouts on Sunday they's have no better luck.
Anyway, if there is a problem with Clarke's restarting, why not get somebody else? There's no law, ASAIK, that says a goalie must kick the ball out.

Lars, those comments demonstrate a very poor understanding of how the game is played.


Put simply - Clarkes doesn't have a driver in the bag. He goes from a wedge to about a 5 iron.
Every keeper at this level needs to have a driver in the bag, i.e.: to be able to kick the ball 70+ metres at a relatively low trajectory if needed. Clarke can do about 50 metres but lofted. The Kerry half back line were fully primed for this whereby they pushed far up the field on his kickouts. The dynamic would have been completely different if they thought there was a chance of the kickout going 20 metres further.

Yes, this limitation has always been an extra challenge for us on our kickouts for years, but we have managed to workaround it up to now as no team has ever played a full press against us (bar Dublin in the league couple of years ago in Croke Park) and ensured each position was occupied when the kickout was being taken, i.e.: first fill their position on the pitch for the kickout and only move out of that position if you must.

Clarke is the GOAT when it comes to shot stopping, dominating the square and penalties. But our minor keeper even has a bigger and better boot on him.
Of course Kerrys intensity versus ours was a factor in contesting kickouts. But the cat is out of the bag now though .... i would be shocked if Meath didn't try something similar at the weekend.

As far someone else taking the kickouts .... i can only conclude that you just stepped out of a time machine or are a wind-up merchant!!

Is that so??
Mind telling me why. I explained in eejit-proof language that there was a time when goalies did not take kickouts  and life went on as normal or all concerned.
I am perfectly satisfied with my understanding of the way the game is played and, believe it or no, I know goalkeepers take restarts nowadays but I see no reason why it's compulsory. Maybe you know more than I do.
I mentioned that no other man in Clarke's place could have done a better job when outfield players weren't contesting the restarts.
I don't think you need a Ph. D. in cop-on to realise that but that's just my  opinion and maybe I don't have your grasp of what anyone else  could see happening ought on the field. David Clarke's kickouts were not the cause of the very high amount of unenforced errors that were happening throughout the field but maybe you see a different game than I did.
In my simple understanding of a goalie's duties commanding the goal area is the first every time. Can't recall  Clarke dropping a ball or handing it straight to the nearest Kerry player either.
I don't think anyone else, except you obviously, would be confident of Hennelly not makiong a howler or two during a game. It's happened enough times for anyone with a basic memory to be aware of it. 
I'm happy with my understanding of the modern game and most tell me I have a bit of cop-on also.
Maybe not a lot but I think I have enough to see that you don't have either.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: J70 on July 16, 2019, 03:31:29 PM
Tonight Sean Cavanagh and Malachy O'Rourke on the Sunday game tipped Mayo to win in Killarney and to join Donegal in the semi final. Pat Spillane couldn't bring himself to do likewise using if they were to win next Sunday but knows full well that Kerry are poor in defence,midfield and are a poor physical match for Mayo.

I dunno. Mayo invite everybody to dance with them. Everybody knows that.

Like last few weeks they probably made Down and Armagh feel better than they have in years. Galway persisted in Limerick even when 8 points down because they knew they would get some sympathy. If they were 8 down to Tyrone. Dublin, Donegal or Kerry, they would have gone home for their tea.

Mayo would have given Clare and Laois the time of their lives as well. That's what we do. We would have let Cork have a run on us and they would have finished us.

Now we are in Super8s, anything can happen.
We've lost a few players and we've found a few. The 'miles on the clock' theory is bullshit of course.
It's about form now and making good decisions. At least Horan put out his most practical set up I remember in Limerick. If he did that v Roscommon this odyssey could have been avoided. On the other hand .........

We ve had a few forwards come along that if they were from some other counties that I wont mention, would be nadwek over.

Mayo have 3 wins in a row under their belts now, doesn't matter how they were achieved as winning them was the main thing and that will be the same down in Killarney next Sunday. Do you think anyone will care in the Mayo camp if they are leading that game by 10 points with 5 minutes to go and only win by 1 point?
I know but they are riding their luck and sooner or later this is gonna end in tears. Fact is they should bate Kerry half way up Carrantouhill but will they though? This worrying trend of losing the plot and letting inferior teams back int the game when they should be closing the game down is becoming ingrained at this stage if the season and will probably happen again on Sunday. They were good enough o beat every team they met  by at least 4 or 5 points since the last game against Kerry down in Tralee and barely survived all but one. That one they lost to Roscommon and that defeat is the cause of Mayo having to play three extra games to get where they are now. Having finally shook the Galway monkey offa their backs and having beaten Kerry twice already this year, I expect Mayo to be at least 5 points the better side but I won't be easy no matter what until the gate is locked up and every one has gone home!

Had you a few drinks when you wrote this Lar or just lost the run of yourself with your eloquence? Bating Kerry half way up Carrauntoohill! Not even the most fervent Dubs supporter would have such notions. Bit of a reality check and a few Carrauntoohills in front of ye.
Yes I know, I know! ;D
But read the last four words you bolded and you'll see what I was getting at...."but will they though"
I also aid I'd expect Mayo to win by  at least five points but I wouldn't be easy until the game was well and truly over or something like that.
I wasn't being arrogant here but only pointing out that Mayo were  apt to do anything and were totally inconsistent. They had already met Kerry twice this year and had dominated both games but should have won both by a lot more than they did. If any other top team had been in Mayo's position in either league game they'd be no doubt about the result by half time. AS it was Mayo could have lost either game or won it by a few points more.
Going into the game on Sunday, Mayo should have been clear favourites if you were going on form alone yet I would not say there were many Mayo people who'd bet good money on the result.

I for one feared for us in Killarney but I went and was enjoying the day until the game started.
We were wiped out and for a top tier experienced team, humiliated. No nice way of dressing this up. No other serious team would have been 'bitch slapped' like that. A Kerry schoolboy team would not be trampled like that in McHale Park. It was painful to watch. But, guess what? As far as I could see our players were trying really hard. Fatigue was not a factor. Older lads like Boyle, Higgins and a still not up to speed Vaughan lasted the trip. Laughably Boyle was thought to be through 2 years ago. Realistically we need to get at least 2 more years out of Boyle and Higgins but if they walk away at the end of this campaign they owe nobody nothing. We are unlikely to see the likes of them again anytime soon.
 Most disappointingly our promising younger players were hauled off. Kerry young fellas were flying. Why? Fatigue was not an issue imo.
I think so too and that's what worries me the most. I don't think anyone was holding back and not giving 100% but the fluency and mutual understanding that we were used to was missing. The entire team seemed to be just going through the motions, as it were. I said back around the time of the Roscommon that we don't have a happy camp.
I haven't heard any rumours about dissension in the camp and I certainly don't want to start any either but there's something not quite right inn the set up. If I was a betting man I'd say that there are selection or tactics issues but that only a personal feeling, not a fact. On a different note, I think it's very wide of the mark to criticise David Clarke for the team's failings.
If his kickouts were being won by Kerry players it's because no Mayo half back or midfielder was showing for them. If Cluxton or Rory Beggan has been taking the kickouts on Sunday they's have no better luck.
Anyway, if there is a problem with Clarke's restarting, why not get somebody else? There's no law, ASAIK, that says a goalie must kick the ball out.
There was a time when one of the full back line did that and I don't recall any goalie taking on the job back then.
I may be wrong but I believe Stephen Cluxton started the habit and now every buck between the sticks has to do the same. He may not have been the first to do so but he was the first goalie to take 45s and long range frees and now almost everyone else is doing the same.

Keeper taking the kick outs long predated Cluxton.

John O’Leary took them. Gary Walsh for Donegal. I’d say you’d have to go back to the early eighties or even seventies for it being a typical full back job.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blast05 on July 16, 2019, 03:50:14 PM
Is that so??
Mind telling me why. I explained in eejit-proof language that there was a time when goalies did not take kickouts  and life went on as normal or all concerned.
I am perfectly satisfied with my understanding of the way the game is played and, believe it or no, I know goalkeepers take restarts nowadays but I see no reason why it's compulsory. Maybe you know more than I do.
I mentioned that no other man in Clarke's place could have done a better job when outfield players weren't contesting the restarts.
I don't think you need a Ph. D. in cop-on to realise that but that's just my  opinion and maybe I don't have your grasp of what anyone else  could see happening ought on the field. David Clarke's kickouts were not the cause of the very high amount of unenforced errors that were happening throughout the field but maybe you see a different game than I did.
In my simple understanding of a goalie's duties commanding the goal area is the first every time. Can't recall  Clarke dropping a ball or handing it straight to the nearest Kerry player either.
I don't think anyone else, except you obviously, would be confident of Hennelly not makiong a howler or two during a game. It's happened enough times for anyone with a basic memory to be aware of it. 
I'm happy with my understanding of the modern game and most tell me I have a bit of cop-on also.
Maybe not a lot but I think I have enough to see that you don't have either.

As the name of the coming-of-age book goes ... "That was then, this is now."
A corner or fullback taking a kickout with the keeper stuck on his line might have been fine and well in the 60's. That was when the overall athleticism of the average inter-county players and tactical nous were light years behind where we are now. Put simply, every kickout would have to be a long hoof with a certainty that the opposition would have an extra man competing for the breaking ball.

And i have never suggested Hennelly is infallible. Albeit it was the width of the cross bar that separate Clarkes kickout straight to a Kerry man versus Hennellys that went straight to a Rossie. Indeed, i am not even suggesting a change.
But like it or lump it, the tone was set by our kickouts not having the driver in the bag to wallop it to change the dynamic out the field.

Anyway, its good to see you defending a Mayo player ... not like the time i engaged with you on here when you were attacking Cillian O'Connor
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: imtommygunn on July 16, 2019, 04:48:04 PM
You’d be hard pressed to name a county team in the 90s where it wasn’t the keeper took the kickouts. Even the 80s and to be honest maybe 70s. I only remember me taking them at minor because no one would do nets so we stuck a boy in who couldn’t kick a ball lol.

Accuracy of kick out trumps shot stopping abilities these days. (probably by quite a bit)
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: galwayman on July 16, 2019, 05:02:31 PM
You’d be hard pressed to name a county team in the 90s where it wasn’t the keeper took the kickouts. Even the 80s and to be honest maybe 70s. I only remember me taking them at minor because no one would do nets so we stuck a boy in who couldn’t kick a ball lol.

Accuracy of kick out trumps shot stopping abilities these days. (probably by quite a bit)
I don't ever remember any Galway outfield player taking kickouts anyway and I'm going to Galway games since the late 80s.
You're probably talking the 70s at the earliest.
Do you propose that the goalie runs outfield for every kickout to make himself available for a short one?
Risky business. And if not - your team are a man short in terms of contesting it.
Kicking ability in the modern game has moved to the top of the tree (or certainly very close) in terms of prerequisites for a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 16, 2019, 05:10:39 PM
Is that so??
Mind telling me why. I explained in eejit-proof language that there was a time when goalies did not take kickouts  and life went on as normal or all concerned.
I am perfectly satisfied with my understanding of the way the game is played and, believe it or no, I know goalkeepers take restarts nowadays but I see no reason why it's compulsory. Maybe you know more than I do.
I mentioned that no other man in Clarke's place could have done a better job when outfield players weren't contesting the restarts.
I don't think you need a Ph. D. in cop-on to realise that but that's just my  opinion and maybe I don't have your grasp of what anyone else  could see happening ought on the field. David Clarke's kickouts were not the cause of the very high amount of unenforced errors that were happening throughout the field but maybe you see a different game than I did.
In my simple understanding of a goalie's duties commanding the goal area is the first every time. Can't recall  Clarke dropping a ball or handing it straight to the nearest Kerry player either.
I don't think anyone else, except you obviously, would be confident of Hennelly not makiong a howler or two during a game. It's happened enough times for anyone with a basic memory to be aware of it. 
I'm happy with my understanding of the modern game and most tell me I have a bit of cop-on also.
Maybe not a lot but I think I have enough to see that you don't have either.

As the name of the coming-of-age book goes ... "That was then, this is now."
A corner or fullback taking a kickout with the keeper stuck on his line might have been fine and well in the 60's. That was when the overall athleticism of the average inter-county players and tactical nous were light years behind where we are now. Put simply, every kickout would have to be a long hoof with a certainty that the opposition would have an extra man competing for the breaking ball.

And i have never suggested Hennelly is infallible. Albeit it was the width of the cross bar that separate Clarkes kickout straight to a Kerry man versus Hennellys that went straight to a Rossie. Indeed, i am not even suggesting a change.
But like it or lump it, the tone was set by our kickouts not having the driver in the bag to wallop it to change the dynamic out the field.

Anyway, its good to see you defending a Mayo player ... not like the time i engaged with you on here when you were attacking Cillian O'Connor
Back then you failed to read what I had  been saying and you've done the same now.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Rossfan on July 16, 2019, 06:30:04 PM
The rhubarbs are getting cranky with each other :D
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 16, 2019, 07:40:07 PM
 Paud O'Donoghue at full back took Kerry's kick outs right up to his last game in 1973.

The following year, 1974, goalkeeper Paudie O'Mahony became the first Kerry goalkeeper to take kickouts.

Paddy Cullen was taking them for Dublin in 1974.  I cannot recall when Billy Morgan started taking them for Cork.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 16, 2019, 08:10:34 PM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: imtommygunn on July 16, 2019, 08:12:03 PM
You’d be hard pressed to name a county team in the 90s where it wasn’t the keeper took the kickouts. Even the 80s and to be honest maybe 70s. I only remember me taking them at minor because no one would do nets so we stuck a boy in who couldn’t kick a ball lol.

Accuracy of kick out trumps shot stopping abilities these days. (probably by quite a bit)
I don't ever remember any Galway outfield player taking kickouts anyway and I'm going to Galway games since the late 80s.
You're probably talking the 70s at the earliest.
Do you propose that the goalie runs outfield for every kickout to make himself available for a short one?
Risky business. And if not - your team are a man short in terms of contesting it.
Kicking ability in the modern game has moved to the top of the tree (or certainly very close) in terms of prerequisites for a goalkeeper.

No I don’t propose anything. It’s a ridiculous discussion lol.

Yeah I agree. Kick accuracy key attribute in a keeper. It trumps shot stopping. Is that not how galligan ended up in nets for Cavan?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 16, 2019, 08:31:56 PM
Kerry were very good but I think Mayo really felt the loss of Diarmuid O'Connor, Durcan and Ruane and they lost that running power around the middle that Kerry struggle to live with.

I thought the lack of pace inside for Mayo was a problem, Coen and O'Connor are good finishers but they struggled to win the ball kicked in.

Other than that, they were bet up a stick at midfield, destroyed on kickouts and their tackling was extremely poor.

Hurson is another one of those refs who is too busy looking for off the ball things rather than following the play.

Stephen O'Brien, Moran and Clifford seemed to be the pick of the Kerry players.

Three players that played in the defeat to Roscommon.

The difference however is that we lost the Roscommon game up front but we lost the kerry game primarily around the middle
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 17, 2019, 01:09:22 AM
Anybody kicking the ball out bar the goalkeeper is a no-no for a couple of reasons.

1. Most outfield players cannot kick the ball from the ground at all. Keepers are called up the field to kick 45s etc. for a reason. They are the only ones that can strike a dead ball. On the Mayo team Cillian struggles to kick a 45 sometimes and I doubt any of our backs would even go close to getting that far. Are we suggesting O Connor is brought back to take kick-outs?

2. If an outfield player takes kickouts, it frees up an opposition forward to increase the press-up or get deeper and contest breaks. It's not going to work.

Clarke can kick the ball long but while the trajectory might not be torpedo he can hoof it. He was trying to pick out targets within his range the last day and I've no doubt that was what he was instructed to do. No way a goalkeeper takes it on himself to decide his kick out strategy.

We had a Kerry runner on the field a lot the last day. I didn't see anybody from Mayo set-up get to Clarke to advise him to do anything different and for God's sake. stop rushing up to take quick kick-outs when we were under the cosh and beaten up a stick. I stand over the arms folded remark I made earlier.  You have to manage the game in front of you.

You'd have to go back almost 50 years for somebody other than goalie to kick the ball out - unless the keeper had an injury. Now you replace the keeper. Maybe Jack Cosgrave from Galway did it but that is early 70s and the game was different. You'd be riddled if you did that now.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 17, 2019, 02:21:01 AM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?

Simple. AOS is injured but has to play - same as Keegan. No other serviceable midfielder available. Remember a year+ ago a fit Aidan would be 11 in front of Seamie and Parsons. No brainier for Kerry to press up, knowing they would win the longer ones all day long.
Kerry have Donie Buckley there now and knows the strengths and limitations of this Mayo team better than anybody. Vaughan has been injured and as a defender he is not up to speed for chasing. So you run at him. You also run at Stephen Coen who just does not have the gas. The Mayo inside forwards don't have the pace either to win ball in front consistently under pressure. It was a perfect storm for Kerry and Mayo, but with different result obviously. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 17, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?

Simple. AOS is injured but has to play - same as Keegan. No other serviceable midfielder available. Remember a year+ ago a fit Aidan would be 11 in front of Seamie and Parsons. No brainier for Kerry to press up, knowing they would win the longer ones all day long.
Kerry have Donie Buckley there now and knows the strengths and limitations of this Mayo team better than anybody. Vaughan has been injured and as a defender he is not up to speed for chasing. So you run at him. You also run at Stephen Coen who just does not have the gas. The Mayo inside forwards don't have the pace either to win ball in front consistently under pressure. It was a perfect storm for Kerry and Mayo, but with different result obviously.

Fair enough but nothing whatsoever to do with Clarke's kickouts other than the length of them although considering Vaughan was getting outfielded by Stephen O'brien, I'm not sure Hennelly's longer kick would have fared much better
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 17, 2019, 09:50:55 AM
Anybody kicking the ball out bar the goalkeeper is a no-no for a couple of reasons.

1. Most outfield players cannot kick the ball from the ground at all. Keepers are called up the field to kick 45s etc. for a reason. They are the only ones that can strike a dead ball. On the Mayo team Cillian struggles to kick a 45 sometimes and I doubt any of our backs would even go close to getting that far. Are we suggesting O Connor is brought back to take kick-outs?

2. If an outfield player takes kickouts, it frees up an opposition forward to increase the press-up or get deeper and contest breaks. It's not going to work.

Clarke can kick the ball long but while the trajectory might not be torpedo he can hoof it. He was trying to pick out targets within his range the last day and I've no doubt that was what he was instructed to do. No way a goalkeeper takes it on himself to decide his kick out strategy.

We had a Kerry runner on the field a lot the last day. I didn't see anybody from Mayo set-up get to Clarke to advise him to do anything different and for God's sake. stop rushing up to take quick kick-outs when we were under the cosh and beaten up a stick. I stand over the arms folded remark I made earlier.  You have to manage the game in front of you.

You'd have to go back almost 50 years for somebody other than goalie to kick the ball out - unless the keeper had an injury. Now you replace the keeper. Maybe Jack Cosgrave from Galway did it but that is early 70s and the game was different. You'd be riddled if you did that now.
Well put moy, I have no problem with that.
I don't think I ever suggested that getting somebody other than the goalkeeper to kick the ball out should be commonplace again. But in a case of horses for courses, there may be times when it would be the lesser of two evils.
David Clarke or Robbie Hennelly?

You've two experienced men there, both have their good points as well as their bad ones. Robbie is certainly the better place kicker but has a suspect temperament. No personal fault of his but he did have a few nightmare experiences and his confidence can be a bit iffy.  Clarkie is the better all-rounder but gets a lot of stick for his restarts. At best, a goalie can only be 50% responsible if his place kicks go astray. If there nobody able or willing to fight for possession then not even Stephen Cluxton could get it right 100% of the time. As you've noticed, there was no input from the sideline and Clarke had to soldier on to the end kicking the ball out and knowing, no matter what he did, that it would be coming back in again. I think it would be taking the nuclear option if Clarke was to be dropped because of his perceived limitations with placed balls when he had a five star performance in every other way.
I'd be looking at the sideline for answers before I'd start laying blame for last Sunday's performance which is straying away from the point. Is there any reason why a goalie must always take kick outs?
I wouldn't dream of saying that we should revert to the times when men wore peaked caps and baggy shorts and the full backs toe poked every ball off the ground but there are times when a case could be made for somebody other than the keeper taking on the job.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: westbound on July 17, 2019, 10:38:31 AM
Anybody kicking the ball out bar the goalkeeper is a no-no for a couple of reasons.

1. Most outfield players cannot kick the ball from the ground at all. Keepers are called up the field to kick 45s etc. for a reason. They are the only ones that can strike a dead ball. On the Mayo team Cillian struggles to kick a 45 sometimes and I doubt any of our backs would even go close to getting that far. Are we suggesting O Connor is brought back to take kick-outs?

2. If an outfield player takes kickouts, it frees up an opposition forward to increase the press-up or get deeper and contest breaks. It's not going to work.

Clarke can kick the ball long but while the trajectory might not be torpedo he can hoof it. He was trying to pick out targets within his range the last day and I've no doubt that was what he was instructed to do. No way a goalkeeper takes it on himself to decide his kick out strategy.

We had a Kerry runner on the field a lot the last day. I didn't see anybody from Mayo set-up get to Clarke to advise him to do anything different and for God's sake. stop rushing up to take quick kick-outs when we were under the cosh and beaten up a stick. I stand over the arms folded remark I made earlier.  You have to manage the game in front of you.

You'd have to go back almost 50 years for somebody other than goalie to kick the ball out - unless the keeper had an injury. Now you replace the keeper. Maybe Jack Cosgrave from Galway did it but that is early 70s and the game was different. You'd be riddled if you did that now.
Well put moy, I have no problem with that.
I don't think I ever suggested that getting somebody other than the goalkeeper to kick the ball out should be commonplace again. But in a case of horses for courses, there may be times when it would be the lesser of two evils.
David Clarke or Robbie Hennelly?

You've two experienced men there, both have their good points as well as their bad ones. Robbie is certainly the better place kicker but has a suspect temperament. No personal fault of his but he did have a few nightmare experiences and his confidence can be a bit iffy.  Clarkie is the better all-rounder but gets a lot of stick for his restarts. At best, a goalie can only be 50% responsible if his place kicks go astray. If there nobody able or willing to fight for possession then not even Stephen Cluxton could get it right 100% of the time. As you've noticed, there was no input from the sideline and Clarke had to soldier on to the end kicking the ball out and knowing, no matter what he did, that it would be coming back in again. I think it would be taking the nuclear option if Clarke was to be dropped because of his perceived limitations with placed balls when he had a five star performance in every other way.
I'd be looking at the sideline for answers before I'd start laying blame for last Sunday's performance which is straying away from the point. Is there any reason why a goalie must always take kick outs?
I wouldn't dream of saying that we should revert to the times when men wore peaked caps and baggy shorts and the full backs toe poked every ball off the ground but there are times when a case could be made for somebody other than the keeper taking on the job.

Lar, there is no rule that says that the goalkeeper must always take the kick out (in fact I'm pretty sure the rule states that IF someone other than the goalkeeper is not taking the kickout, then the goalkeeper must stand inside the small square. - I haven't checked this rule so I may be wrong).

However, in this day and age kickouts are so important, that voluntarily giving the opposition an extra man to face your kick out would be a form of madness. For that reason, I don't think there is ever a case for somebody other than the keeper taking the kickouts. (apart from an injury to the keeper and all subs used up).

If your goalkeeper can't take the kickouts then he shouldn't be there.

P.s. this is a general point, I'm not talking about clarke specifically.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 17, 2019, 11:04:22 AM
If only we had ways and means of creating one out of the two of them. Davert Clannelly. Or Robid Hennelarke.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Drummer on July 17, 2019, 11:34:50 AM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?


McDanger, the problem with a “scooped” kick out that hangs high in the air before it lands is that it completely favours the opposition midfielder (e.g. David Moran), who invariably is coming from behind to attack the ball. 

Moran knows that his marker (e.g. O’Shea) has little or no space to run into for a short option due to the extremely high press that Kerry have in place. 
He knows that Clarke can’t drive it with distance and pace into the space between midfield and the Kerry half line as Patton, Cluxton or Beggan can do.
He knows that Clarkes mid-long range kicks tend to hang in air before landing.

So for those kick outs it gives Moran the chance to stand a few yards behind O’Shea.  Coming from a few yards behind to attack a hanging kickout is a significant advantage.
(i)   It gives Moran much more of a running jump than O’Shea
(ii)   While jumping it allows Moran to use his momentum to plough into O’Shea in a fair manner.
Meanwhile O’Shea is trying to contest the kickout with very little of a run or worse still from a standing position.  There’s only going to be one winner when you’re up against a good fetcher like Moran. This happened numerous times in the first 20 minutes last Sunday, to both O’Shea and Vaughan.

A keeper with more of a “pinging” kickout style finds it much easier to give a more advantageous option to his midfielders (and other team mates) i.e. a quicker, lower trajectory kickout into a small pocket of space that allows his target the chance to run on to it without giving the opposition the chance to gather around where it lands.  This is much needed when a team presses high up like Kerry did in the first half. 

Ideally the keeper should also be able to hit a Mayo runner attacking the space beyond midfield. Doing that once or twice would keep Kerry honest and force them to pull back on their high press.

In saying the above, let me finish by stating that I have huge admiration for Clarke both as a keeper and as a person.  Also, I am not advocating for Hennelly to be reintroduced for the Meath game.  But we badly need to start looking at a better long term option.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: magpie seanie on July 17, 2019, 12:04:21 PM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?


McDanger, the problem with a “scooped” kick out that hangs high in the air before it lands is that it completely favours the opposition midfielder (e.g. David Moran), who invariably is coming from behind to attack the ball. 

Moran knows that his marker (e.g. O’Shea) has little or no space to run into for a short option due to the extremely high press that Kerry have in place. 
He knows that Clarke can’t drive it with distance and pace into the space between midfield and the Kerry half line as Patton, Cluxton or Beggan can do.
He knows that Clarkes mid-long range kicks tend to hang in air before landing.

So for those kick outs it gives Moran the chance to stand a few yards behind O’Shea.  Coming from a few yards behind to attack a hanging kickout is a significant advantage.
(i)   It gives Moran much more of a running jump than O’Shea
(ii)   While jumping it allows Moran to use his momentum to plough into O’Shea in a fair manner.
Meanwhile O’Shea is trying to contest the kickout with very little of a run or worse still from a standing position.  There’s only going to be one winner when you’re up against a good fetcher like Moran. This happened numerous times in the first 20 minutes last Sunday, to both O’Shea and Vaughan.

A keeper with more of a “pinging” kickout style finds it much easier to give a more advantageous option to his midfielders (and other team mates) i.e. a quicker, lower trajectory kickout into a small pocket of space that allows his target the chance to run on to it without giving the opposition the chance to gather around where it lands.  This is much needed when a team presses high up like Kerry did in the first half. 

Ideally the keeper should also be able to hit a Mayo runner attacking the space beyond midfield. Doing that once or twice would keep Kerry honest and force them to pull back on their high press.

In saying the above, let me finish by stating that I have huge admiration for Clarke both as a keeper and as a person.  Also, I am not advocating for Hennelly to be reintroduced for the Meath game.  But we badly need to start looking at a better long term option.


Did you see the one where AOS kicked Spillane in the head?

A hanging kickout favours the better fielder who judges it best....not "attacker" or "defender".
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Drummer on July 17, 2019, 12:21:31 PM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?


McDanger, the problem with a “scooped” kick out that hangs high in the air before it lands is that it completely favours the opposition midfielder (e.g. David Moran), who invariably is coming from behind to attack the ball. 

Moran knows that his marker (e.g. O’Shea) has little or no space to run into for a short option due to the extremely high press that Kerry have in place. 
He knows that Clarke can’t drive it with distance and pace into the space between midfield and the Kerry half line as Patton, Cluxton or Beggan can do.
He knows that Clarkes mid-long range kicks tend to hang in air before landing.

So for those kick outs it gives Moran the chance to stand a few yards behind O’Shea.  Coming from a few yards behind to attack a hanging kickout is a significant advantage.
(i)   It gives Moran much more of a running jump than O’Shea
(ii)   While jumping it allows Moran to use his momentum to plough into O’Shea in a fair manner.
Meanwhile O’Shea is trying to contest the kickout with very little of a run or worse still from a standing position.  There’s only going to be one winner when you’re up against a good fetcher like Moran. This happened numerous times in the first 20 minutes last Sunday, to both O’Shea and Vaughan.

A keeper with more of a “pinging” kickout style finds it much easier to give a more advantageous option to his midfielders (and other team mates) i.e. a quicker, lower trajectory kickout into a small pocket of space that allows his target the chance to run on to it without giving the opposition the chance to gather around where it lands.  This is much needed when a team presses high up like Kerry did in the first half. 

Ideally the keeper should also be able to hit a Mayo runner attacking the space beyond midfield. Doing that once or twice would keep Kerry honest and force them to pull back on their high press.

In saying the above, let me finish by stating that I have huge admiration for Clarke both as a keeper and as a person.  Also, I am not advocating for Hennelly to be reintroduced for the Meath game.  But we badly need to start looking at a better long term option.


Did you see the one where AOS kicked Spillane in the head?

No I missed that.  What's your point?

A hanging kickout favours the better fielder who judges it best....not "attacker" or "defender".

Fair enough if it's a kickout into space that gives both players the chance to attack it.  That was not the case with Clarke's kickouts on Sunday.
Having said that Moran probably is a better fielder than O'Shea.  And he's certainly far better than Vaughan.


Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: magpie seanie on July 17, 2019, 12:55:25 PM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?


McDanger, the problem with a “scooped” kick out that hangs high in the air before it lands is that it completely favours the opposition midfielder (e.g. David Moran), who invariably is coming from behind to attack the ball. 

Moran knows that his marker (e.g. O’Shea) has little or no space to run into for a short option due to the extremely high press that Kerry have in place. 
He knows that Clarke can’t drive it with distance and pace into the space between midfield and the Kerry half line as Patton, Cluxton or Beggan can do.
He knows that Clarkes mid-long range kicks tend to hang in air before landing.

So for those kick outs it gives Moran the chance to stand a few yards behind O’Shea.  Coming from a few yards behind to attack a hanging kickout is a significant advantage.
(i)   It gives Moran much more of a running jump than O’Shea
(ii)   While jumping it allows Moran to use his momentum to plough into O’Shea in a fair manner.
Meanwhile O’Shea is trying to contest the kickout with very little of a run or worse still from a standing position.  There’s only going to be one winner when you’re up against a good fetcher like Moran. This happened numerous times in the first 20 minutes last Sunday, to both O’Shea and Vaughan.

A keeper with more of a “pinging” kickout style finds it much easier to give a more advantageous option to his midfielders (and other team mates) i.e. a quicker, lower trajectory kickout into a small pocket of space that allows his target the chance to run on to it without giving the opposition the chance to gather around where it lands.  This is much needed when a team presses high up like Kerry did in the first half. 

Ideally the keeper should also be able to hit a Mayo runner attacking the space beyond midfield. Doing that once or twice would keep Kerry honest and force them to pull back on their high press.

In saying the above, let me finish by stating that I have huge admiration for Clarke both as a keeper and as a person.  Also, I am not advocating for Hennelly to be reintroduced for the Meath game.  But we badly need to start looking at a better long term option.


Did you see the one where AOS kicked Spillane in the head?

No I missed that.  What's your point?

A hanging kickout favours the better fielder who judges it best....not "attacker" or "defender".

Fair enough if it's a kickout into space that gives both players the chance to attack it.  That was not the case with Clarke's kickouts on Sunday.
Having said that Moran probably is a better fielder than O'Shea.  And he's certainly far better than Vaughan.


I think that's the point though. If Clarke was the Kerry keeper in the same situation I'd expect Moran to win those kickouts too.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Drummer on July 17, 2019, 01:14:33 PM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?


McDanger, the problem with a “scooped” kick out that hangs high in the air before it lands is that it completely favours the opposition midfielder (e.g. David Moran), who invariably is coming from behind to attack the ball. 

Moran knows that his marker (e.g. O’Shea) has little or no space to run into for a short option due to the extremely high press that Kerry have in place. 
He knows that Clarke can’t drive it with distance and pace into the space between midfield and the Kerry half line as Patton, Cluxton or Beggan can do.
He knows that Clarkes mid-long range kicks tend to hang in air before landing.

So for those kick outs it gives Moran the chance to stand a few yards behind O’Shea.  Coming from a few yards behind to attack a hanging kickout is a significant advantage.
(i)   It gives Moran much more of a running jump than O’Shea
(ii)   While jumping it allows Moran to use his momentum to plough into O’Shea in a fair manner.
Meanwhile O’Shea is trying to contest the kickout with very little of a run or worse still from a standing position.  There’s only going to be one winner when you’re up against a good fetcher like Moran. This happened numerous times in the first 20 minutes last Sunday, to both O’Shea and Vaughan.

A keeper with more of a “pinging” kickout style finds it much easier to give a more advantageous option to his midfielders (and other team mates) i.e. a quicker, lower trajectory kickout into a small pocket of space that allows his target the chance to run on to it without giving the opposition the chance to gather around where it lands.  This is much needed when a team presses high up like Kerry did in the first half. 

Ideally the keeper should also be able to hit a Mayo runner attacking the space beyond midfield. Doing that once or twice would keep Kerry honest and force them to pull back on their high press.

In saying the above, let me finish by stating that I have huge admiration for Clarke both as a keeper and as a person.  Also, I am not advocating for Hennelly to be reintroduced for the Meath game.  But we badly need to start looking at a better long term option.


Did you see the one where AOS kicked Spillane in the head?

No I missed that.  What's your point?

A hanging kickout favours the better fielder who judges it best....not "attacker" or "defender".

Fair enough if it's a kickout into space that gives both players the chance to attack it.  That was not the case with Clarke's kickouts on Sunday.
Having said that Moran probably is a better fielder than O'Shea.  And he's certainly far better than Vaughan.


I think that's the point though. If Clarke was the Kerry keeper in the same situation I'd expect Moran to win those kickouts too.

Don’t think he’d have anywhere near the same success as he had on Sunday. If the roles were reversed I’d expect that O’Shea would at least be able to break a high percentage.
Kerry midfield on Sunday didn’t even have to break the ball, such was the advantage they were given by the kickouts. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 17, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?


McDanger, the problem with a “scooped” kick out that hangs high in the air before it lands is that it completely favours the opposition midfielder (e.g. David Moran), who invariably is coming from behind to attack the ball. 

Moran knows that his marker (e.g. O’Shea) has little or no space to run into for a short option due to the extremely high press that Kerry have in place. 
He knows that Clarke can’t drive it with distance and pace into the space between midfield and the Kerry half line as Patton, Cluxton or Beggan can do.
He knows that Clarkes mid-long range kicks tend to hang in air before landing.

So for those kick outs it gives Moran the chance to stand a few yards behind O’Shea.  Coming from a few yards behind to attack a hanging kickout is a significant advantage.
(i)   It gives Moran much more of a running jump than O’Shea
(ii)   While jumping it allows Moran to use his momentum to plough into O’Shea in a fair manner.
Meanwhile O’Shea is trying to contest the kickout with very little of a run or worse still from a standing position.  There’s only going to be one winner when you’re up against a good fetcher like Moran. This happened numerous times in the first 20 minutes last Sunday, to both O’Shea and Vaughan.

A keeper with more of a “pinging” kickout style finds it much easier to give a more advantageous option to his midfielders (and other team mates) i.e. a quicker, lower trajectory kickout into a small pocket of space that allows his target the chance to run on to it without giving the opposition the chance to gather around where it lands.  This is much needed when a team presses high up like Kerry did in the first half. 

Ideally the keeper should also be able to hit a Mayo runner attacking the space beyond midfield. Doing that once or twice would keep Kerry honest and force them to pull back on their high press.

In saying the above, let me finish by stating that I have huge admiration for Clarke both as a keeper and as a person.  Also, I am not advocating for Hennelly to be reintroduced for the Meath game.  But we badly need to start looking at a better long term option.

The advantage of a "pinged" kickout only really applies when you're playing it to a runner, basically it reaches him quicker and gives the opposition less time to react/intercept.

For the hanging / scooped kickout (as you've already discussed with ms), it's more to do with the starting position of the fielder than the kickout naturally favouring the opposition. Which brings me back to my original point that Clarke's kickouts don't necessarily favour either side, just that they're potentially more contestable - on Sunday though, we weren't even contesting them ffs so the problem was much more than just who's between the sticks

Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Drummer on July 17, 2019, 02:48:04 PM
[Not unlike Clark’s which are tailor made for a Willie Joe and a David Moran. I mentioned here after Roscommon game that this would happen when Clark replaced Hennelly and ye would not listen.

I've seen this written in several places, can someone explain to me how it was different for AOS and Moran catching the ball based on the trajectory?


McDanger, the problem with a “scooped” kick out that hangs high in the air before it lands is that it completely favours the opposition midfielder (e.g. David Moran), who invariably is coming from behind to attack the ball. 

Moran knows that his marker (e.g. O’Shea) has little or no space to run into for a short option due to the extremely high press that Kerry have in place. 
He knows that Clarke can’t drive it with distance and pace into the space between midfield and the Kerry half line as Patton, Cluxton or Beggan can do.
He knows that Clarkes mid-long range kicks tend to hang in air before landing.

So for those kick outs it gives Moran the chance to stand a few yards behind O’Shea.  Coming from a few yards behind to attack a hanging kickout is a significant advantage.
(i)   It gives Moran much more of a running jump than O’Shea
(ii)   While jumping it allows Moran to use his momentum to plough into O’Shea in a fair manner.
Meanwhile O’Shea is trying to contest the kickout with very little of a run or worse still from a standing position.  There’s only going to be one winner when you’re up against a good fetcher like Moran. This happened numerous times in the first 20 minutes last Sunday, to both O’Shea and Vaughan.

A keeper with more of a “pinging” kickout style finds it much easier to give a more advantageous option to his midfielders (and other team mates) i.e. a quicker, lower trajectory kickout into a small pocket of space that allows his target the chance to run on to it without giving the opposition the chance to gather around where it lands.  This is much needed when a team presses high up like Kerry did in the first half. 

Ideally the keeper should also be able to hit a Mayo runner attacking the space beyond midfield. Doing that once or twice would keep Kerry honest and force them to pull back on their high press.

In saying the above, let me finish by stating that I have huge admiration for Clarke both as a keeper and as a person.  Also, I am not advocating for Hennelly to be reintroduced for the Meath game.  But we badly need to start looking at a better long term option.

The advantage of a "pinged" kickout only really applies when you're playing it to a runner, basically it reaches him quicker and gives the opposition less time to react/intercept.

For the hanging / scooped kickout (as you've already discussed with ms), it's more to do with the starting position of the fielder than the kickout naturally favouring the opposition. Which brings me back to my original point that Clarke's kickouts don't necessarily favour either side, just that they're potentially more contestable - on Sunday though, we weren't even contesting them ffs so the problem was much more than just who's between the sticks



Yes and the starting position of the attacking midfielder - i.e. coming from behind - is generally more advantageous for that type of kickout.  In this day and age a goalkeeper should not be making kickouts contestable if possible; he should be given as much of an advantage to his own players as possible.  I agree though that we should have been more aggressive for some of the kickouts the last day.  Also, Vaughan's aerial ability is very limited so that certainly didn't help.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: seafoid on July 17, 2019, 03:07:20 PM
Mayo are 28/1 for Sam on oddschecker
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 17, 2019, 03:13:20 PM

Yes and the starting position of the attacking midfielder - i.e. coming from behind - is generally more advantageous for that type of kickout.  In this day and age a goalkeeper should not be making kickouts contestable if possible; he should be given as much of an advantage to his own players as possible.  I agree though that we should have been more aggressive for some of the kickouts the last day.  Also, Vaughan's aerial ability is very limited so that certainly didn't help.

Why do you say that the attacking midfielder is usually coming from behind? Surely both midfielders are free to position themselves as they see fit. As an aside, Coen / Boyle / Keegan  should have been in there blocking the run of Moran for these kickouts instead of letting him have free reign
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: whitey on July 17, 2019, 03:30:59 PM
Mayo are 28/1 for Sam on oddschecker

When they’re written off is when they are most likely to surprise

There’s as much chance that they will lose to a division 3 team as there is them putting it up to the Dubs
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Drummer on July 17, 2019, 03:41:24 PM

Yes and the starting position of the attacking midfielder - i.e. coming from behind - is generally more advantageous for that type of kickout.  In this day and age a goalkeeper should not be making kickouts contestable if possible; he should be given as much of an advantage to his own players as possible.  I agree though that we should have been more aggressive for some of the kickouts the last day.  Also, Vaughan's aerial ability is very limited so that certainly didn't help.

Why do you say that the attacking midfielder is usually coming from behind? Surely both midfielders are free to position themselves as they see fit. As an aside, Coen / Boyle / Keegan  should have been in there blocking the run of Moran for these kickouts instead of letting him have free reign

If Clarke was able to ping a long kickout accurately, O’Shea or Vaughan wouldn’t need to worry where Moran or Spillane positioned themselves.  Moran knew the type of kickout that was coming so ensured that he was coming at it from behind. 
In general it is too risky for a defending midfielder to deliberately play his man from behind on his own kickouts.  Unless he has 100% confidence in the keeper’s ability to reach him with a long kick over the head of his marker.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 17, 2019, 03:44:46 PM
Mayo are 28/1 for Sam on oddschecker

When they’re written off is when they are most likely to surprise

There’s as much chance that they will lose to a division 3 team as there is them putting it up to the Dubs

Would have to go back to 2010 since Mayo lost a championship game against a Div 3 team. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 17, 2019, 03:47:54 PM

Yes and the starting position of the attacking midfielder - i.e. coming from behind - is generally more advantageous for that type of kickout.  In this day and age a goalkeeper should not be making kickouts contestable if possible; he should be given as much of an advantage to his own players as possible.  I agree though that we should have been more aggressive for some of the kickouts the last day.  Also, Vaughan's aerial ability is very limited so that certainly didn't help.

Why do you say that the attacking midfielder is usually coming from behind? Surely both midfielders are free to position themselves as they see fit. As an aside, Coen / Boyle / Keegan  should have been in there blocking the run of Moran for these kickouts instead of letting him have free reign

If Clarke was able to ping a long kickout accurately, O’Shea or Vaughan wouldn’t need to worry where Moran or Spillane positioned themselves.  Moran knew the type of kickout that was coming so ensured that he was coming at it from behind. 
In general it is too risky for a defending midfielder to deliberately play his man from behind on his own kickouts.  Unless he has 100% confidence in the keeper’s ability to reach him with a long kick over the head of his marker.

Absolutely a pinged kickout is better so it can be won uncontested.

I disagree on the "too risky" bit though, Moran was winning every ball uncontested, it literally couldn't get much worse.

I'll leave it at this but imo, the blame for the kickout fiasco is collective for every player 1-12 and in particular the coaching team. It'll be interesting to see how we deal with this if Meath push up at the weekend or when Donegal (as they surely will) push up in castlebar.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Drummer on July 17, 2019, 03:58:06 PM

Yes and the starting position of the attacking midfielder - i.e. coming from behind - is generally more advantageous for that type of kickout.  In this day and age a goalkeeper should not be making kickouts contestable if possible; he should be given as much of an advantage to his own players as possible.  I agree though that we should have been more aggressive for some of the kickouts the last day.  Also, Vaughan's aerial ability is very limited so that certainly didn't help.

Why do you say that the attacking midfielder is usually coming from behind? Surely both midfielders are free to position themselves as they see fit. As an aside, Coen / Boyle / Keegan  should have been in there blocking the run of Moran for these kickouts instead of letting him have free reign

If Clarke was able to ping a long kickout accurately, O’Shea or Vaughan wouldn’t need to worry where Moran or Spillane positioned themselves.  Moran knew the type of kickout that was coming so ensured that he was coming at it from behind. 
In general it is too risky for a defending midfielder to deliberately play his man from behind on his own kickouts.  Unless he has 100% confidence in the keeper’s ability to reach him with a long kick over the head of his marker.

Absolutely a pinged kickout is better so it can be won uncontested.

I disagree on the "too risky" bit though, Moran was winning every ball uncontested, it literally couldn't get much worse.

I'll leave it at this but imo, the blame for the kickout fiasco is collective for every player 1-12 and in particular the coaching team. It'll be interesting to see how we deal with this if Meath push up at the weekend or when Donegal (as they surely will) push up in castlebar.

I agree that the blame doesn't lie solely at Clarke's feet (excuse the pun).  But a kickout that hangs high in the air is of little or no benefit to any kickout strategy in the modern game.  Hence you don't see it from any of the keepers these days.
Yes indeed will be interesting to see what we do in the next couple of games.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: highorlow on July 17, 2019, 04:33:38 PM
All Donie Buckley needed to do was to watch the last ten minutes of the Armagh game to spot our weakness. Had Armagh pushed up on us earlier we were beaten that day.

Darren Coen and COC should have been told to head out to the half forward line to give Clarke an option with the long ones.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 17, 2019, 10:45:01 PM
Hennelly be back in nets. I hear Matthew Flanagan from Balla called up
 Might he be in nets the next day?
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 18, 2019, 01:06:23 AM

Yes and the starting position of the attacking midfielder - i.e. coming from behind - is generally more advantageous for that type of kickout.  In this day and age a goalkeeper should not be making kickouts contestable if possible; he should be given as much of an advantage to his own players as possible.  I agree though that we should have been more aggressive for some of the kickouts the last day.  Also, Vaughan's aerial ability is very limited so that certainly didn't help.

Why do you say that the attacking midfielder is usually coming from behind? Surely both midfielders are free to position themselves as they see fit. As an aside, Coen / Boyle / Keegan  should have been in there blocking the run of Moran for these kickouts instead of letting him have free reign

If Clarke was able to ping a long kickout accurately, O’Shea or Vaughan wouldn’t need to worry where Moran or Spillane positioned themselves.  Moran knew the type of kickout that was coming so ensured that he was coming at it from behind. 
In general it is too risky for a defending midfielder to deliberately play his man from behind on his own kickouts.  Unless he has 100% confidence in the keeper’s ability to reach him with a long kick over the head of his marker.

Apart from the detail about the kickouts there was other stuff. The dogs in the street knew that AOS was carrying an injury into last 2 games and we were scrabbling around for another midfielder to go with him. Kerry are not stupid. 3 of our best performers in league final - Durcan, Ruane and Diarmuid O Connor were out as well. Younger lads that bring great energy.  Keegan playing injured as well. Kerry management got the perfect storm to attack Mayo on the day and it was a no brainer. Press up. Make us kick long into a struggling midfield and it was like a monkey picking low hanging fruit.
 They also knew they could target Stephen Coen and Vaughan and burn them for pace and open things up. They have Donie Buckley in there who knows the Mayo lads inside out and what their limitations are.
When we lost the battle around the middle third (which we usually win and we lost it from the start ) our forwards were easily mopped up by defenders that were clued in to what was happening up the field. 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 18, 2019, 12:22:40 PM
I hope it’s not an omen of what’s to come but there have  been more replies to a fairly straightforward I posted here than the total number of posts on the Mayo v Meath thread to date. When I logged onto the board a wee while ago, we had nearly 40 responds to my question; Some very instructive and a few going off on flights of fancy.
For instance, here’s what I posted again:
"Anyway, if there is a problem with Clarke's restarting, why not get somebody else? There's no law, ASAIK, that says a goalie must kick the ball out. "
I only asked a simple question and put it up for discussion.
I did not give my own opinion one way or the other. I tried to make it as idiot-proof as possible but once again blast 05 chipped in to prove I need to set the bar a whole lot lower. ;D ;D
 I can’t see anyone other than the keeper taking kick outs in the modern game, except under unusual circumstances.
Did we have “unusual circumstances” last Sunday? Again, I just ask the question, that’s not a firm opinion one way or the other. I wasn’t on the field or even the sideline so I didn’t understand why Mayo were getting cleaned out on Clarke’s restarts.
Thanks to moysider, part of the mystery has been solved. I didn’t realise that AOS was carrying an injury into the game. But one question answered means, for me, that one still remains.
If Donie Buckley engineered Kerry’s match ups, what did Horan do to counteract this? Dammit all, he surely remembered that Bukley would be marking Kerry’s cards. Or did he? I hate to admit it, but I am starting to think that he is losing the plot.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: blast05 on July 18, 2019, 01:01:19 PM
Given that Aidan O'Shea is carrying an ankle injury, i wonder would wearing knee length shorts like they used to wear in the 40's and 50's help him.
This is not my opinion. I'm only asking the question  ::)
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Blowitupref on July 18, 2019, 02:03:57 PM
I doubt Mayo management are foolish enough to play A O'Shea for a full 70 minutes in the last number of games if he's injured.  I think last Sunday proved Vaughan is no midfielder and shouldn't be played there again in such important game and Mayo's half back line really struggled with the pace of Kerry's runners, Mayo were better in midfield 2nd half once Seamus O'Shea was introduced and i can imagine the two brothers will be the midfield partnership v Meath.

On Lee Keegan he hasn't been the same player since those hip operations and understandably so.
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: moysider on July 18, 2019, 10:35:42 PM
I doubt Mayo management are foolish enough to play A O'Shea for a full 70 minutes in the last number of games if he's injured.  I think last Sunday proved Vaughan is no midfielder and shouldn't be played there again in such important game and Mayo's half back line really struggled with the pace of Kerry's runners, Mayo were better in midfield 2nd half once Seamus O'Shea was introduced and i can imagine the two brothers will be the midfield partnership v Meath.

On Lee Keegan he hasn't been the same player since those hip operations and understandably so.

Er, you've seen the last 2 games? They had no choice.
We're on Old Mother Hubbard territory now. The cupboard is bare.

 
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: thejuice on July 18, 2019, 11:06:21 PM
Lads, you do know that there’s a game this weekend. I was really forward to having a nice wee chat with my good friends from Mayo but it’s like a ghost town in the Meath vs Mayo thread. And here you all are still talking about the last game. I have to say I’m a bit hurt and a bit disappointed.  :'(
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: macdanger2 on July 18, 2019, 11:12:37 PM
Lads, you do know that there’s a game this weekend. I was really forward to having a nice wee chat with my good friends from Mayo but it’s like a ghost town in the Meath vs Mayo thread. And here you all are still talking about the last game. I have to say I’m a bit hurt and a bit disappointed.  :'(

Tbf, you should have expected this, sure aren't we still talking about 1996!!!
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: johnpower on July 18, 2019, 11:32:13 PM
The irony of the weekend is that Kerry fans will be shouting on Mayo and Mayo fans will hope for a Kerry win to make round 3 easier
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 18, 2019, 11:38:34 PM
The irony of the weekend is that Kerry fans will be shouting on Mayo and Mayo fans will hope for a Kerry win to make round 3 easier

I cant imagine kerry fans will be shouting on Mayo
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: johnpower on July 18, 2019, 11:46:26 PM
The irony of the weekend is that Kerry fans will be shouting on Mayo and Mayo fans will hope for a Kerry win to make round 3 easier

I cant imagine kerry fans will be shouting on Mayo

I for one will be , was on the hill for the 1996 replay and love the Enthusiasm of the Mayo News podcast
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 18, 2019, 11:47:29 PM
The irony of the weekend is that Kerry fans will be shouting on Mayo and Mayo fans will hope for a Kerry win to make round 3 easier

I cant imagine kerry fans will be shouting on Mayo

I for one will be , was on the hill for the 1996 replay and love the Enthusiasm of the Mayo News podcast

A meath win would probably suit kerry better
Title: Re: Kerry v Mayo - Super 8s Round 1
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 19, 2019, 10:09:24 AM
Lads, you do know that there’s a game this weekend. I was really forward to having a nice wee chat with my good friends from Mayo but it’s like a ghost town in the Meath vs Mayo thread. And here you all are still talking about the last game. I have to say I’m a bit hurt and a bit disappointed.  :'(
I was thinking I was the only soul stirring that took any interest inn this game. Are Mayo and Meath  not worth a few posts any more?
There's far more discussion on the Mayo/Kerry thread about David Clarke's kick outs than there is on this one about chat could be his future and that of a lot of his colleagues.