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Title: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 01, 2019, 10:48:04 AM
For the first time in 20 years the loser is out, married to a Mayo woman so not the draw we wanted.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2019, 11:10:33 AM
While it’s the hardest draw we could have gotten it’s also the one team we really want to and need to beat
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 01, 2019, 11:25:54 AM
word has it that Mayo won't agree to the coin toss, so its heading to Limerick :(
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Oldira on July 01, 2019, 11:30:10 AM
Surely Hyde Park is a far more suitable venue? Can easily hold 20,000. aaDoubt there will be any more than 3000 Galway fans at it.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: weareros on July 01, 2019, 11:31:10 AM
word has it that Mayo won't agree to the coin toss, so its heading to Limerick :(

Mayo would be afraid a coin toss to land the game in Pearse Stadium, or even worse, MacHale Park.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 11:40:07 AM
word has it that Mayo won't agree to the coin toss, so its heading to Limerick :(

Mayo would be afraid a coin toss to land the game in Pearse Stadium, or even worse, MacHale Park.
pretty sure may and galway have a longstanding home and away agreement.
limerick would be crazy is naot galway/ mayo ennis more likely or longford.
I don't think anyone wants to risk life and limb going to roscommon
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 01, 2019, 11:42:58 AM
For the first time in 20 years the loser is out, married to a Mayo woman so not the draw we wanted.
Same as - the outlaws will be unbearable if we lose this.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: sid waddell on July 01, 2019, 11:44:35 AM
word has it that Mayo won't agree to the coin toss, so its heading to Limerick :(
Why not just play it in Ennis in that case

About 10k would turn up in Limerick
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 01, 2019, 11:44:48 AM
word has it that Mayo won't agree to the coin toss, so its heading to Limerick :(
It will be in Roscommon surely? The Connacht final replay thing was a connacht council stipulation but they are not in control of games outside the province. The coin toss is not a runner anyway as all games have to be at a neutral venue.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: weareros on July 01, 2019, 11:48:09 AM
word has it that Mayo won't agree to the coin toss, so its heading to Limerick :(

Mayo would be afraid a coin toss to land the game in Pearse Stadium, or even worse, MacHale Park.
pretty sure may and galway have a longstanding home and away agreement.
limerick would be crazy is naot galway/ mayo ennis more likely or longford.
I don't think anyone wants to risk life and limb going to roscommon

Not being made available anyway. The bigger threat to limb is players injuring themselves on MacHale sod. Could be out of Connacht if Mayo/Galway can’t agree.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 01, 2019, 11:57:56 AM
I have no idea about this one. Galway have had the indian sign over Mayo at pretty much all grades of football for 4 years now but the performance in the 2nd half of the Connacht final was so deplorable and gutless that you couldn't predict a win with any confidence. You would hope there would be a reaction to that but Kevin Walsh's teams tend to let the opposition take the initiative in games so I wouldn't be banking on seeing a reaction either.

Huge game for Walsh because if Galway lose this I can't see him surviving. Horan will very likely be in charge of Mayo next year no matter the result.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2019, 11:58:48 AM

Not being made available anyway.

By Roscommon CB? The businesses in Roscommon Town won't be too happy about that I'd say. What's the reasoning?

Ennis has been a happy hunting ground for us in recent years
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 01, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
word has it that Mayo won't agree to the coin toss, so its heading to Limerick :(
It will be in Roscommon surely? The Connacht final replay thing was a connacht council stipulation but they are not in control of games outside the province. The coin toss is not a runner anyway as all games have to be at a neutral venue.

Will be a bit silly if this game isn't played in Connacht. Hyde Park hosted recent Connacht finals with 23 to 25k and no Connacht council stipulation is in place as you say for qualifier games. If rumours are true that Mayo said no to a toss of coin for home advantage i'd wonder did anyone tell Mayo that they have never lost a qualifier game in MacHale Park? 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 01, 2019, 01:11:19 PM
Limerick 7 pm part of double header
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 01, 2019, 01:15:26 PM
Limerick 7 pm part of double header

If the story about Mayo refusing the coin toss is true then this is a f**king ridiculous situation for both sets of fans.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
Limerick 7 pm part of double header

If the story about Mayo refusing the coin toss is true then this is a f**king ridiculous situation for both sets of fans.

Exactly. Why the f**k Hyde park wasn't chosen is beyond me.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: TheOptimist on July 01, 2019, 01:19:35 PM
word has it that Mayo won't agree to the coin toss, so its heading to Limerick :(
Why not just play it in Ennis in that case

About 10k would turn up in Limerick

Would the golf affect this?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: joemamas on July 01, 2019, 01:37:18 PM
Limerick 7 pm part of double header

If the story about Mayo refusing the coin toss is true then this is a f**king ridiculous situation for both sets of fans.

Exactly. Why the f**k Hyde park wasn't chosen is beyond me.

Is somebody taking the piss, this is a joke right.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: meathie on July 01, 2019, 01:58:26 PM
yes it seem to be Limerick at 7pm as part of a double header. Maybe Laois and Cork at 5....
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 01:59:13 PM
Aren't Cork in Mullingar for Hurley stuff?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 01, 2019, 01:59:28 PM
Why would mayo agree to a toss when playing at McHale Park is a handicap. I understand it’s not ideal but giving Galway a rattle is way more important than anything else
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2019, 02:07:20 PM
 Limerick is a balls

Would markievicz not be able to hold the crowd for the Mayo game?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 01, 2019, 02:12:31 PM
Why would mayo agree to a toss when playing at McHale Park is a handicap. I understand it’s not ideal but giving Galway a rattle is way more important than anything else
If I'm not mistaken Mayo have lost zero qualifier matches in McHale Park, some handicap.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Owenmoresider on July 01, 2019, 02:13:11 PM
Aren't Cork in Mullingar for Hurley stuff?
Hurling you mean.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Owenmoresider on July 01, 2019, 02:15:30 PM
Limerick is a balls

Would markievicz not be able to hold the crowd for the Mayo game?
If the Hyde can't hold it then Markievicz wouldn't. Think it's only 18k or even less when the H&S zealots went in trying to justify their fees.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 01, 2019, 02:16:32 PM
If Galway play to 2019 championship form so far Mayo will win regardless of where it's played but if the Galway footballers can't raise themselves to play these hoors - whatever about the rumblings behind the scenes and the fallout that is surely already in the post - then all hope is lost.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: joemamas on July 01, 2019, 02:17:27 PM
Limerick is a balls

Would markievicz not be able to hold the crowd for the Mayo game?
If the Hyde can't hold it then Markievicz wouldn't. Think it's only 18k or even less when the H&S zealots went in trying to justify their fees.

That is a big part of the problem. Lets regulate the shite out of everything, and assume everybody is 200lbs and is 6ft 6 tall.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 01, 2019, 02:49:03 PM
Confirmed 7pm Limerick on Sat
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 01, 2019, 02:51:19 PM
Limerick 7 pm part of double header

If the story about Mayo refusing the coin toss is true then this is a f**king ridiculous situation for both sets of fans.

Exactly. Why the f**k Hyde park wasn't chosen is beyond me.

Not even considered which is beyond belief. Sound like poor judgement by Mayos county board not to keep this tie in Connacht.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2019, 02:55:10 PM
BOTH county boards refused a coin toss
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 01, 2019, 03:02:07 PM
Seen that reported in the Telegraph, Galway county board just as bad as their Mayo counterparts if that's the case.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 01, 2019, 03:22:42 PM
Will either team have a fit midfielder on show, Aidan O'Sheas foot in a cast and Keegan is out.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2019, 03:25:15 PM
Will either team have a fit midfielder on show, Aidan O'Sheas foot in a cast and Keegan is out.

Was just about to ask about Keegan - where'd you get the above info?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 01, 2019, 03:27:42 PM
Will either team have a fit midfielder on show, Aidan O'Sheas foot in a cast and Keegan is out.

Was just about to ask about Keegan - where'd you get the above info?

In the CT.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/07/01/4176351-mayo-midfield-injury-jinx-strikes-again/
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 03:29:30 PM
Will either team have a fit midfielder on show, Aidan O'Sheas foot in a cast and Keegan is out.

What happened AOS?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: guy crouchback on July 01, 2019, 03:30:27 PM
i dont have much of a problem with limerick. good road down ground on the right side of town and good parking around about.
id have been disgusted if mayo went for the coin toss and too be honest unless you are from east mayo its as easy to get to limerick as it it is roscommon and a good deal easier to get in and out of it.

plus as i get older and as ill have young kids with me the option of having a seat is preferable to standing which would be the case in roscommon.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2019, 03:38:08 PM
Will either team have a fit midfielder on show, Aidan O'Sheas foot in a cast and Keegan is out.

Was just about to ask about Keegan - where'd you get the above info?

In the CT.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/07/01/4176351-mayo-midfield-injury-jinx-strikes-again/

Cheers for the link, not the news though  :-\

If AOS is out, we're rightly f*cked, you'd be looking at Coen and Vaughan in MF
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 01, 2019, 03:52:51 PM
Will either team have a fit midfielder on show, Aidan O'Sheas foot in a cast and Keegan is out.

Was just about to ask about Keegan - where'd you get the above info?

In the CT.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/07/01/4176351-mayo-midfield-injury-jinx-strikes-again/

Cheers for the link, not the news though  :-\

If AOS is out, we're rightly f*cked, you'd be looking at Coen and Vaughan in MF

We're not too flush with midfield options ourselves at the moment, Tom Flynn is battling injury too I think.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: guy crouchback on July 01, 2019, 03:54:19 PM
i think  O Shea is ok it was just precautionary he was going around signing autographs with the boot on him saturday night after he game.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 01, 2019, 03:58:02 PM
Tbh neither sides home ground has been much advantage to them in recent seasons anyway.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 01, 2019, 03:58:10 PM
i think  O Shea is ok it was just precautionary he was going around signing autographs with the boot on him saturday night after he game.

What's the latest on Keegan's injury?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 04:20:30 PM
Joe McQuillan is the man in the middle on Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Manning18 on July 01, 2019, 04:21:20 PM
Seen that reported in the Telegraph, Galway county board just as bad as their Mayo counterparts if that's the case.

Don't think that's the case, was tweeted that galway agreed from some well connected Galway GAA sorts and multiples have said that Horan himself disagreed
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: guy crouchback on July 01, 2019, 04:30:12 PM
i think  O Shea is ok it was just precautionary he was going around signing autographs with the boot on him saturday night after he game.

What's the latest on Keegan's injury?

keegans appears to be more serious and he will be out
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 01, 2019, 04:43:06 PM
https://www.galwaygaa.ie/news/124-football/2164-round-4-qualifier-confirmed-galway-v-mayo (https://www.galwaygaa.ie/news/124-football/2164-round-4-qualifier-confirmed-galway-v-mayo)

The Gaelic Grounds in Limerick will host the qualifier clash of Mayo and Galway in Round 4 of the All-Ireland qualifiers.

The first meeting of the Connacht rivals in a qualifier will take place in Limerick on Saturday evening at 7pm, with the CCCC stating a Connacht venue was "not feasible" and there was no agreement between the counties to toss for home advantage. Galway GAA officials contacted Mayo this morning however Mayo GAA declined the offer to do the toss.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 01, 2019, 04:45:57 PM
Any truth in the rumours about the additions to the Galway panel?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: whitey on July 01, 2019, 04:52:55 PM
https://www.galwaygaa.ie/news/124-football/2164-round-4-qualifier-confirmed-galway-v-mayo (https://www.galwaygaa.ie/news/124-football/2164-round-4-qualifier-confirmed-galway-v-mayo)

The Gaelic Grounds in Limerick will host the qualifier clash of Mayo and Galway in Round 4 of the All-Ireland qualifiers.

The first meeting of the Connacht rivals in a qualifier will take place in Limerick on Saturday evening at 7pm, with the CCCC stating a Connacht venue was "not feasible" and there was no agreement between the counties to toss for home advantage. Galway GAA officials contacted Mayo this morning however Mayo GAA declined the offer to do the toss.

Smart move by Mayo
 
We typically don’t play well in Castlebar (2nd smallest pitch in the country) and Limerick is easier to get to than Salthill
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Manning18 on July 01, 2019, 04:53:07 PM
Any truth in the rumours about the additions to the Galway panel?

You just seeing these on HS or somewhere more eh..substantiating!?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 01, 2019, 04:57:58 PM
Any truth in the rumours about the additions to the Galway panel?

You just seeing these on HS or somewhere more eh..substantiating!?
Seamus McHugh has been drafted in as cover in the FB line with Brian Talty and Billy Joyce also in the squad to bolster our midfield options!

In all seriousness, I wouldn’t be paying too much attention to these rumours and hopefully there are no weddings this coming weekend! 😜
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 01, 2019, 05:00:32 PM
Any truth in the rumours about the additions to the Galway panel?

You just seeing these on HS or somewhere more eh..substantiating!?

Just the HS I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 01, 2019, 05:02:37 PM
Any truth in the rumours about the additions to the Galway panel?

You just seeing these on HS or somewhere more eh..substantiating!?

Just the HS I'm afraid.
Bullshit no doubt
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: mayoman dan on July 01, 2019, 05:33:28 PM
From a Mayo point of view im not too upset about the game being in Limerick.Much handier than the hyde or salthill. With regards to a team a lot will depend on the injuries to Keegan and O Shea.From what ive heard Keegans year is over but O Shea will be fine for saturday.I wasnt overly excited about Horan getting the job again and nothing ive seen the last few months has changed my view.He is a poor manager but the injuries have given him a get out of jail free card for this year.Our fb line will again be hung out to dry and expecting Horan to play a sweeper or a covering player is foolish....he wont change now even though with the personnel available it looks like our best way forward.Anyway heres how id like to see us line out assuming Keegan is out.
                                                           
                           Clarke
O Donoghue         S.Coen     Harrison
Higgins            Boyle         Durcan
                     Vaughan  O Shea
Mc Donagh    Cillian     Mc Loughlin
Carr           Doherty     D.Coen
     
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2019, 06:07:43 PM
Mayo were 8/11 immediately after the draw, out in 10/11 now
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 01, 2019, 06:44:40 PM
Aido will be fit to play and I’m told Jason doc might be ok also .
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: giveballaghback on July 01, 2019, 07:31:14 PM
Its a pity the Connacht shield final could not be played in our own province.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 08:26:59 PM
Its a pity the Connacht shield final could not be played in our own province.

Yea it is. Why is Dr. Hyde Park unavailable?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 08:33:31 PM
It "wasn't considered" by the fixture makers.
No doubt a certain member of the CCCC said it wasn't big enough ::)
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rudi on July 01, 2019, 08:37:00 PM
Its a pity the Connacht shield final could not be played in our own province.

Yea it is. Why is Dr. Hyde Park unavailable?

It's not unavailable. For heath and safety reasons deemed unsuitable, which is complete horse shit. Limerick businesses getting Connacht money, disgusting stuff.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rudi on July 01, 2019, 08:39:10 PM
Hope Galway win by the way, not agreeing to a toss for venue showed a lack of balls and class.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 08:43:07 PM
It "wasn't considered" by the fixture makers.
No doubt a certain member of the CCCC said it wasn't big enough ::)

Probably. But it's a disgrace a game between two Connacht sides is played in a different province.

Its a pity the Connacht shield final could not be played in our own province.

Yea it is. Why is Dr. Hyde Park unavailable?

It's not unavailable. For heath and safety reasons deemed unsuitable, which is complete horse shit. Limerick businesses getting Connacht money, disgusting stuff.

Thanks for the clarification. Anyway it is what it is at this stage.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: joemamas on July 01, 2019, 08:49:26 PM
Hope Galway win by the way, not agreeing to a toss for venue showed a lack of balls and class.

Apparently both would not agree to toss, Mexican standoff.
It is complete BS, it seems like regulators gone nuts.
Lets just clarify, Hyde will be available five working days later.
Did anybody ever hear of the word "Overtime".
Bars, hotels and restaurants in Roscommon, must be doing some head scratching.
just plain stupid.
whoever is responsible should be called out. Full stop.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 01, 2019, 08:59:56 PM
Just for clarity on this, Galway GAA have put up on their own website that Mayo wouldn't agree to the coin toss, it sounds like it's entirely on James Horan and the Mayo county board that the match is in Limerick. Galway can't be held accountable for the match moving out of Connacht at least.

https://galwaygaa.ie/news/124-football/2164-round-4-qualifier-confirmed-galway-v-mayo (https://galwaygaa.ie/news/124-football/2164-round-4-qualifier-confirmed-galway-v-mayo)

Quote
Galway GAA officials contacted Mayo this morning however Mayo GAA declined the offer to do the toss.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 01, 2019, 09:20:46 PM
Hope Galway win by the way, not agreeing to a toss for venue showed a lack of balls and class.

Quite the opposite actually , it was James Horan who told Galway not on your Nellie. Shots fired , one nil mayo .
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 09:34:50 PM
And €150k -nil for Limerick shops, pubs etc.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 01, 2019, 09:58:07 PM
From a Mayo point of view im not too upset about the game being in Limerick.Much handier than the hyde or salthill. With regards to a team a lot will depend on the injuries to Keegan and O Shea.From what ive heard Keegans year is over but O Shea will be fine for saturday.I wasnt overly excited about Horan getting the job again and nothing ive seen the last few months has changed my view.He is a poor manager but the injuries have given him a get out of jail free card for this year.Our fb line will again be hung out to dry and expecting Horan to play a sweeper or a covering player is foolish....he wont change now even though with the personnel available it looks like our best way forward.Anyway heres how id like to see us line out assuming Keegan is out.
                                                           
                           Clarke
O Donoghue         S.Coen     Harrison
Higgins            Boyle         Durcan
                     Vaughan  O Shea
Mc Donagh    Cillian     Mc Loughlin
Carr           Doherty     D.Coen
   

Boyle was sweeping for the majority of the game on Saturday. People give Horan a lot of stick for poor tactics but that wasn't the reason we nearly lost a 5 point lead. On at least 3 occasions we gave the ball straight back to Armagh. O'Shea's free to Treacy, McLoughlin's pass to Boland and Clarke to Durcan.

Stephen Coen did well the last day but unless Comer or Conroy start in the forwards I don't see which Galway player he could mark. He wouldn't be quick enough for OLaoi, Burke, Cummins etc. Higgins, Boyle and Barrett played the full game against Down and Armagh so you'd worry about their legs in the 2nd half. With Keegan out they'll probably have to start.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 01, 2019, 09:59:53 PM
Hope Galway win by the way, not agreeing to a toss for venue showed a lack of balls and class.

Quite the opposite actually , it was James Horan who told Galway not on your Nellie. Shots fired , one nil mayo .
Thats not much of a cushion to take into Sat eve Lar!  ;)
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: recyclebin on July 01, 2019, 10:01:27 PM
Sounds like another Newbridge incident. Match should have been in Hyde Park but GAA thought they would get more into Limerick.

(This is after the coin toss was rejected)
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: mayoman dan on July 01, 2019, 10:24:18 PM
From a Mayo point of view im not too upset about the game being in Limerick.Much handier than the hyde or salthill. With regards to a team a lot will depend on the injuries to Keegan and O Shea.From what ive heard Keegans year is over but O Shea will be fine for saturday.I wasnt overly excited about Horan getting the job again and nothing ive seen the last few months has changed my view.He is a poor manager but the injuries have given him a get out of jail free card for this year.Our fb line will again be hung out to dry and expecting Horan to play a sweeper or a covering player is foolish....he wont change now even though with the personnel available it looks like our best way forward.Anyway heres how id like to see us line out assuming Keegan is out.
                                                           
                           Clarke
O Donoghue         S.Coen     Harrison
Higgins            Boyle         Durcan
                     Vaughan  O Shea
Mc Donagh    Cillian     Mc Loughlin
Carr           Doherty     D.Coen
   

Boyle was sweeping for the majority of the game on Saturday. People give Horan a lot of stick for poor tactics but that wasn't the reason we nearly lost a 5 point lead. On at least 3 occasions we gave the ball straight back to Armagh. O'Shea's free to Treacy, McLoughlin's pass to Boland and Clarke to Durcan.

Stephen Coen did well the last day but unless Comer or Conroy start in the forwards I don't see which Galway player he could mark. He wouldn't be quick enough for OLaoi, Burke, Cummins etc. Higgins, Boyle and Barrett played the full game against Down and Armagh so you'd worry about their legs in the 2nd half. With Keegan out they'll probably have to start.

I agree about the players panicking and giving the ball away but at 1 stage with about 5 mins to go we were 2 on 2 in our fb line.Kamikaze stuff and Horan has to take some slack for it.I think Coen is our best option for fb especially if Comer plays.Harrison is not a fb and is getting exposed here and with Higgins not doing well in the corner it makes sense to move Harrison here.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 01, 2019, 10:25:06 PM
It "wasn't considered" by the fixture makers.
No doubt a certain member of the CCCC said it wasn't big enough ::)

John Prenty using his influence again i presume and isn't he part of the CCCC now? not big enough is total nonsense. A little over 18K for a home Mayo qualifier last weekend and Galway won't have as many supporters traveling to this game as Armagh had last weekend.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Kurtz on July 02, 2019, 07:54:39 AM

                                                           
                           Clarke
O Donoghue         S.Coen     Harrison
Higgins            Boyle         Durcan
                     Vaughan  O Shea
Mc Donagh    Cillian     Mc Loughlin
Carr           Doherty     D.Coen
   

Boyle was sweeping for the majority of the game on Saturday. People give Horan a lot of stick for poor tactics but that wasn't the reason we nearly lost a 5 point lead. On at least 3 occasions we gave the ball straight back to Armagh. O'Shea's free to Treacy, McLoughlin's pass to Boland and Clarke to Durcan.

Stephen Coen did well the last day but unless Comer or Conroy start in the forwards I don't see which Galway player he could mark. He wouldn't be quick enough for OLaoi, Burke, Cummins etc. Higgins, Boyle and Barrett played the full game against Down and Armagh so you'd worry about their legs in the 2nd half. With Keegan out they'll probably have to start.

I agree about the players panicking and giving the ball away but at 1 stage with about 5 mins to go we were 2 on 2 in our fb line.Kamikaze stuff and Horan has to take some slack for it.I think Coen is our best option for fb especially if Comer plays.Harrison is not a fb and is getting exposed here and with Higgins not doing well in the corner it makes sense to move Harrison here.

I thought Aiden O'Shea is out for the Galway game ?
Along with Keegan.  Thats what I am hearing from people in The West
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 08:25:21 AM
I read somewhere that there were 2 hallmarks of KW's time as manager

1. Could bate Mayo at will
2. Sudden inexplicable collapses with other teams.

Maybe this match will have a mix of both. Galway 15 points ahead at the 60th minute and then Mayo winning by a point
 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 02, 2019, 08:54:19 AM
I read somewhere that there were 2 hallmarks of KW's time as manager

1. Could bate Mayo at will
2. Sudden inexplicable collapses with other teams.

Maybe this match will have a mix of both. Galway 15 points ahead at the 60th minute and then Mayo winning by a point
Hard to argue with either of those points.
I had hoped that our tendency to just collapse was going out of our game but evidently not.
Tyrone in the league and Ros the last day cases in point.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 09:03:57 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-defeat-for-galway-or-mayo-will-signal-the-end-1.3943254Kevin McStay: Defeat for Galway or Mayo will signal the end

Mayo’s unfathomable record of resilience to be tested once more in defining Galway tie
about 3 hours ago
 
Kevin McStay

 
‘A permanent change for Galway or Mayo will be delivered through next Saturday’s match.’ File photograph: Donall Farmer/Inpho
 

Is this Mayo’s last stand? Over the coming days, it will certainly feel as if a remarkable generation of footballers is approaching a definitive crossing point. And, as always, they have their public – and the country – on the edge of their seats. Last Saturday night in Castlebar was just an exceptional evening of football entertainment. The drama, the madness, the chaos: it was peak Mayo. They are the masters of survival. I am not sure how they were still standing after everything Armagh threw at them. But there they were: battered, a game older, a bit weary – and still in the draw.
So, to Monday morning. I hold my hand up and admit that I played a tangential role in fate pairing Galway and Mayo in that mine was the hand that drew Mayo from the drum in the RTÉ studio. There is a caveat in that they were the last team out. I joked that I did my best for the local economy. But I am not sure either the Galway or Mayo teams will thank me. For the championship, it promises to be a truly great fixture. For the teams, it means the road has become incrementally tougher. The winner will play Kerry away in game one of the Super 8s a week later. Just what you need after a bruising border derby in the fourth round is the sight of the steward down in Killarney smiling at you as you arrive. “Howya! You’re very welcome to Fitzgerald Stadium! ’Tis great to see you!”
Bet it is.
I was working out that if Mayo are to win the 2019 All-Ireland, it will involve them winning up to eight matches in 11 weeks since their Connacht defeat to Roscommon. They have already won two – Down and Armagh. Now they have six hurdles to clear. There are three breaks worked into that period of games. But it is pedal-to-the-floor now. Forget about pit stops. Just hell for leather. And injuries, fatigue and suspensions become bigger factors.
 ‘Last Saturday night in Castlebar was just an exceptional evening of football entertainment. The drama, the madness, the chaos: it was peak Mayo. They are the masters of survival.’ Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
Look at how they got over Armagh. They were a point up at half-time. Coming down the stretch, they showed all of their old survival instincts to hold on to the narrowest of advantages on the scoreboard. It seems to be the atmosphere in which they feel most comfortable. They get through it. Why has this team such a special place in the hearts of Mayo people? I think it is their honesty and spirit in comparison to other Mayo teams. There are days and games when they should know better and just accept that they are beaten and go home. But they keep ploughing on. It may all end up a taxi ride short of Croke Park this year. But whatever happens will show the team in all its colours. They are flawed, for sure, but how can you not take your hat off to them?
Mayo’s experience is comparable to that of Dublin. There is a lot of criticism now of Mayo’s cynical game-management on Saturday night. Well, every top team engages in this. It is the match officials who let it slip. But there is no question that Mayo are now masterful in game-manipulation. In the second half, after they scored their 52nd-minute goal, injuries started to kick in. They were only Mayo injuries: six injuries and stoppage time that amounted to almost eight minutes. Seven substitutions added a further 2½ minutes. So, in all, it was about an 11-minute stop and Armagh got a return of five added minutes in reality. Kieran McGeeney was understandably annoyed about this. A lot of referees tend to whinge when it comes to added time. How can you put up four minutes when the total was higher than 10? But it was a nice piece of work by Mayo in terms of minute-shaving in one half of football. And it counted when they were trying to hang on.
You can’t get away from the fact that a defeat to Galway will stand as a moment in time. It will spell the end for this Mayo generation
Armagh got very close and had momentum in the final quarter when the Bacon Factory End was under severe pressure. We saw the goalkeeping debate in essence in those moments. Now, the bloody debate has surely ended. David Clarke is the best shot-stopper in the class. His housekeeping is tidy. And his kick-out is nothing special. And in Rob Hennelly, Mayo have a terrific number two to call on when needed. I keep saying that even though Mayo were allowed to go short in the second half, there is still a lot to be said for kicking long to Aidan O’Shea. Mayo are one of the best teams in the country for flooding the breaking-ball area by overloading that zone and getting possession. That wasn’t as prevalent the last evening, maybe because Fionn McDonagh and Mikey Murray are new to this environment. But we have seen a moment in every game where a decisive play emanates from poor execution of a short kick-out. Even Westmeath suffered heavily against Clare in just this way. So there is something to be said for Clarke just getting it out of the danger zone when needs be. I know it sounds simplistic but it can work.
Hugely competitive
So where are Mayo now? They have a good goalkeeper, a decent defence, they need a partner for O’Shea at midfield, and they have a reasonable forward line. They have enormous pride and are hugely competitive. Are they running on empty? Well, let’s look at their problems. Their age profile in defence is worrying. They are the wrong side of 30. Brendan Harrison has had to sit in at fullback. He is an All-Star-calibre corner back and so will be great on 50-50 balls coming in low from the side or high when he can break it to a team-mate. But isolated man-to-man under the high ball is not his natural habitat. It is a worry for Mayo. Lee Keegan has acted as back-up midfielder in the past but now he is a doubt. Last year, you had Tom Parsons and Séamus O’Shea. Now you have Matthew Ruane (broken collar bone) and Diarmuid O’Connor (broken wrist) out for the foreseeable future. Up front they are not that fluent. Cillian O’Connor’s return will give cohesiveness and Darren Coen is in the form of his life. James Horan has played a lot of rookies over the course of the league. Now is their chance to shine. Mayo still have the gun-slingers such as Paddy Durcan, Colm Boyle, Keith Higgins and Chris Barrett: these boys are very, very obstinate and proud defenders, and they will allow nothing easy. They might get caught for pace but they are so experienced that they won’t cave in. And they have an extremely experienced manager. So they know this journey. They were huffing and puffing in 2017 too and then just exploded into life. But that was two long summers ago. Can they repeat that?
 ‘Mayo’s championship record over the last six years is unbelievable.’ Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
They are at a critical juncture. You can’t get away from the fact that a defeat to Galway will stand as a moment in time. It will spell the end for this Mayo generation. The talk will turn to whether they were the best team to never win an All-Ireland. That will become their legacy. Mayo have traditionally built their All-Ireland drive on minor and under-21 successes. That was the basis for our push in the 1980s. The 1990s team came from Martin Carney’s outstanding under-21 teams. The current squad have emerged from the 2000s, the under-21 champions of 2006 and the minors of 2013 and the under-21s of 2016, which yielded Diarmuid O’Connor, Ruane, Conor Loftus and Stephen Coen. But the likes of Aidan O’Shea, Donal Vaughan, Keegan, Andy Moran and Clarke came from a different background and somehow that seems to have contributed to this contrary, never-say-die attitude within the group. When you look at their record over the past six years: Jesus. It is unbelievable. In 2012, they lose the All-Ireland final to Donegal by four points. In 2013, they lose the All-Ireland final by a point to Dublin. In 2014, they lost the semi-final after a replay and after extra time by three points to Kerry. In 2015, they lose the semi-final after a replay to Dublin. In 2016, they lose the All-Ireland final after a replay by a point to Dublin. In the drawn final that year, they suffer the setback of two own goals in the first half. Think about that. Two own goals? It hasn’t been seen or heard of before or since. Nor will it again. In 2017, they lose the All-Ireland final to Dublin by a point. It is an unfathomable record of resilience and stomach to keep coming back, to keep coming back, to keep coming back.
Where do they get it from? And why didn’t they get over the line? Well, it was a mixture of poor decision-making at critical times. The forward lines did not punch the necessary holes to win an All-Ireland. There was a lack of team play at critical junctures and maybe a lack of mobility around the middle third from eight to 12. And there was a fair bit of bad luck, too. For all that, they were just so incredibly close so often, it is hard to rationalise how they didn’t get there, just the once.
So there is something fated about where they find themselves this week. It feels like an old-time Connacht championship build-up. It is do or die. A permanent change will be delivered through next Saturday’s game. The winners will be the authors of that change. The losing team is facing into many retirements. If you look at Mayo, nearly half their panel is 27 and older, and seven of them are 30 years and older. Likewise, Galway have veteran players who have soldiered long and hard for their county. So the reality is that a cadre of players is probably 70 minutes and a defeat away from calling it a day. Everything is riding on this one game.
Realistic
It is hard to see Mayo getting the return ticket and another crack in an All-Ireland final just now. To see that would be thrilling and revelatory. But you have to be realistic. Look at the injuries. It’s like Monaghan: you can only lose so many good players before you pay the price. Mayo are perilously close to that scenario. Keegan and Diarmuid O’Connor are the heartbeat: they just run at teams all day long. Jason Doherty is a very honest player and he, too, is a doubt. Parsons is gone. Ruane, the find of the league, is gone. Séamus O’Shea has not come back. The leaks are springing up everywhere.
So Mayo are as vulnerable as they have ever been this week, even as the groundsman prepares the pitch in the Gaelic Grounds and the waiting game begins. They can be caught. But All-Ireland football is crazy: it goes from second chance to knockout and then onto round robin. So if Mayo can just get through this next game, they can at least buy themselves time.
But to get that, they must go through their greatest rivals in 130 years of the sport. They have to get through the maroon team. Do I think Mayo can come through this latest test of their will-power – and existence as a group? I do. After everything, how can you count them out?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 02, 2019, 10:31:08 AM
It will be the end of the line for Walsh if Galway lose, Galway certainly won't be rocked by any retirements after the game so not sure what McStay is on about; Bradshaw the only one at retirement age.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 02, 2019, 10:48:22 AM
Yeah outside of Bradshaw and O'Donnell there's no age related reason for any Galway retirements, it's a totally different scenario for a good number of the Mayo squad. Strange take from McStay on that one.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 02, 2019, 10:48:58 AM
It "wasn't considered" by the fixture makers.
No doubt a certain member of the CCCC said it wasn't big enough ::)

John Prenty using his influence again i presume and isn't he part of the CCCC now? not big enough is total nonsense. A little over 18K for a home Mayo qualifier last weekend and Galway won't have as many supporters traveling to this game as Armagh had last weekend.

You’re wrong though , Mayo support could possibly be looking for 25k tickets for a clash with Galway in Hyde park in a knockout situation.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 02, 2019, 11:08:52 AM
And the Hyde could hold them all but due to the present day requirements and consequent Insurance limits we cant admit that many.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rudi on July 02, 2019, 11:15:13 AM
Don't agree with McStay, if Galway lose think it will be the making of them, Walsh gone new manager in and plenty of quality players for a more positive approach. Mayo will probably have a re build but as far as I can see have plenty of decent players coming through. Connacht will be competitive in the coming years.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: rosnarun on July 02, 2019, 11:27:43 AM
It "wasn't considered" by the fixture makers.
No doubt a certain member of the CCCC said it wasn't big enough ::)

John Prenty using his influence again i presume and isn't he part of the CCCC now? not big enough is total nonsense. A little over 18K for a home Mayo qualifier last weekend and Galway won't have as many supporters traveling to this game as Armagh had last weekend.

You’re wrong though , Mayo support could possibly be looking for 25k tickets for a clash with Galway in Hyde park in a knockout situation.
supporting a county side is a very different animal if youy take the scenic route  through all the qualifiers and suer8s
not long ago mayo could be playing 3 games to get to an all Ireland final spread out over may to late September  now its 11 games finishing in late august .
Its gives you a liilte insight into the commitment involved for the players,
for the last 2 and the next god knows how long  every weekend is affected , 
not to mention the expense esp for Families and not just counting ticket prices , ( did I hear €35 for Saturday?)
but what else would you rather be doing
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: rosnarun on July 02, 2019, 11:29:44 AM
Don't agree with McStay, if Galway lose think it will be the making of them, Walsh gone new manager in and plenty of quality players for a more positive approach. Mayo will probably have a re build but as far as I can see have plenty of decent players coming through. Connacht will be competitive in the coming years.
ive ofthen thought alright Walsh is the wrong manager for such a talented bunch of players who would love to be playing off the cuff,
and sure so what if they lost to mayo , its the right thing to do
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 02, 2019, 11:48:02 AM
It will be the end of the line for Walsh if Galway lose, Galway certainly won't be rocked by any retirements after the game so not sure what McStay is on about; Bradshaw the only one at retirement age.

Yeah first thing I noticed from that. Galway lose and Walsh is almost certainly gone but they will hardly lose anyone to retirement. It's a fairly young squad still. Maybe Bradshaw or O'Donnell but you'll find plenty who think there are better players waiting in the wings for them anyway at this stage.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 12:42:40 PM
Attendance for some recent round 4 knock out championship games involving Mayo and Galway played in neutral venues

Cork v Mayo in Gaelic Grounds  : 13,505
Galway v Donegal in Markievicz Park : 10,564

Should be interesting to see what the attendance will be in Limerick as all ticket game in Hyde Park would be a sell out while 20k plus would attend if the game was played in Castlebar or Salthill and TBH i still can understand why both couldn't agree on a toss of a coin for home advantage than opting for Limerick.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 02, 2019, 12:59:38 PM
Attendance for some recent round 4 knock out championship games involving Mayo and Galway played in neutral venues

Cork v Mayo in Gaelic Grounds  : 13,505
Galway v Donegal in Markievicz Park : 10,564

Should be interesting to see what the attendance will be in Limerick as all ticket game in Hyde Park would be a sell out while 20k plus would attend if the game was played in Castlebar or Salthill and TBH i still can understand why both couldn't agree on a toss of a coin for home advantage than opting for Limerick.

Galway were happy to toss a coin for home game, the Mayo County Board weren't.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 01:03:49 PM
Attendance for some recent round 4 knock out championship games involving Mayo and Galway played in neutral venues

Cork v Mayo in Gaelic Grounds  : 13,505
Galway v Donegal in Markievicz Park : 10,564

Should be interesting to see what the attendance will be in Limerick as all ticket game in Hyde Park would be a sell out while 20k plus would attend if the game was played in Castlebar or Salthill and TBH i still can understand why both couldn't agree on a toss of a coin for home advantage than opting for Limerick.

Galway were happy to toss a coin for home game, the Mayo County Board weren't.

Can anyone elaborate why the Mayo county board weren't happy? both are well versed in the home and away agreement in the Connacht championship and i think more supporters would attend this game if it was kept in Connacht.   
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 02, 2019, 01:07:22 PM
Attendance for some recent round 4 knock out championship games involving Mayo and Galway played in neutral venues

Cork v Mayo in Gaelic Grounds  : 13,505
Galway v Donegal in Markievicz Park : 10,564

Should be interesting to see what the attendance will be in Limerick as all ticket game in Hyde Park would be a sell out while 20k plus would attend if the game was played in Castlebar or Salthill and TBH i still can understand why both couldn't agree on a toss of a coin for home advantage than opting for Limerick.

Galway were happy to toss a coin for home game, the Mayo County Board weren't.

Can anyone elaborate why the Mayo county board weren't happy? both are well versed in the home and away agreement in the Connacht championship and i think more supporters would attend this game if it was kept in Connacht.

Poor record in Castlebar and Salthill. This is a do or die game, and they’re entitled to a neutral venue.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: weareros on July 02, 2019, 01:08:51 PM
Attendance for some recent round 4 knock out championship games involving Mayo and Galway played in neutral venues

Cork v Mayo in Gaelic Grounds  : 13,505
Galway v Donegal in Markievicz Park : 10,564

Should be interesting to see what the attendance will be in Limerick as all ticket game in Hyde Park would be a sell out while 20k plus would attend if the game was played in Castlebar or Salthill and TBH i still can understand why both couldn't agree on a toss of a coin for home advantage than opting for Limerick.

Galway were happy to toss a coin for home game, the Mayo County Board weren't.

Can anyone elaborate why the Mayo county board weren't happy? both are well versed in the home and away agreement in the Connacht championship and i think more supporters would attend this game if it was kept in Connacht.

Although I said it jokingly, MacHale is not a happy hunting ground for Mayo of late against defensive teams like Galway. They were likely afraid they would get home advantage on this occasion.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 01:11:25 PM
It will be the end of the line for Walsh if Galway lose, Galway certainly won't be rocked by any retirements after the game so not sure what McStay is on about; Bradshaw the only one at retirement age.

Yeah first thing I noticed from that. Galway lose and Walsh is almost certainly gone but they will hardly lose anyone to retirement. It's a fairly young squad still. Maybe Bradshaw or O'Donnell but you'll find plenty who think there are better players waiting in the wings for them anyway at this stage.
If Galway lose that will probably be the end of the road for KW. And players will be dropped by the incoming regime. The collapses are all in the head.  You can't build a winning mentality with fellas who don't believe in the team.  They should be able to to defend a 5 point lead but they can't. And that is not acceptable. 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 01:14:44 PM
Attendance for some recent round 4 knock out championship games involving Mayo and Galway played in neutral venues

Cork v Mayo in Gaelic Grounds  : 13,505
Galway v Donegal in Markievicz Park : 10,564

Should be interesting to see what the attendance will be in Limerick as all ticket game in Hyde Park would be a sell out while 20k plus would attend if the game was played in Castlebar or Salthill and TBH i still can understand why both couldn't agree on a toss of a coin for home advantage than opting for Limerick.

Galway were happy to toss a coin for home game, the Mayo County Board weren't.

Can anyone elaborate why the Mayo county board weren't happy? both are well versed in the home and away agreement in the Connacht championship and i think more supporters would attend this game if it was kept in Connacht.

Poor record in Castlebar and Salthill. This is a do or die game, and they’re entitled to a neutral venue.

Mayo are unbeaten in qualifiers in Castlebar. Mayo have won 3 of their last 4 championship games v Galway in Salthill.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 02, 2019, 01:19:25 PM
Horan probably wants to play on a full size pitch with a good surface.
McHale doesn't provide either.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 02, 2019, 01:22:23 PM
Attendance for some recent round 4 knock out championship games involving Mayo and Galway played in neutral venues

Cork v Mayo in Gaelic Grounds  : 13,505
Galway v Donegal in Markievicz Park : 10,564

Should be interesting to see what the attendance will be in Limerick as all ticket game in Hyde Park would be a sell out while 20k plus would attend if the game was played in Castlebar or Salthill and TBH i still can understand why both couldn't agree on a toss of a coin for home advantage than opting for Limerick.

Galway were happy to toss a coin for home game, the Mayo County Board weren't.

Can anyone elaborate why the Mayo county board weren't happy? both are well versed in the home and away agreement in the Connacht championship and i think more supporters would attend this game if it was kept in Connacht.

Poor record in Castlebar and Salthill. This is a do or die game, and they’re entitled to a neutral venue.

Mayo are unbeaten in qualifiers in Castlebar. Mayo have won 3 of their last 4 championship games v Galway in Salthill.

That’s so irrelevant in today’s money , at present we struggle at mchale Park especially against a team like Galway who can set up accordingly for small pitch . This is a big game , win this and along with the league title it’s a satisfactory season , doesn’t really matter what happens in super 8 if we did win , it genuinely is bonus territory.  Btw I don’t think we will win
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: magpie seanie on July 02, 2019, 01:29:49 PM
If pitch size is a concern Mayo should have looked for the Hyde. There are worse things in life than a few fair weather supporters not getting tickets to a game.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Manning18 on July 02, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
It will be the end of the line for Walsh if Galway lose, Galway certainly won't be rocked by any retirements after the game so not sure what McStay is on about; Bradshaw the only one at retirement age.

Yeah first thing I noticed from that. Galway lose and Walsh is almost certainly gone but they will hardly lose anyone to retirement. It's a fairly young squad still. Maybe Bradshaw or O'Donnell but you'll find plenty who think there are better players waiting in the wings for them anyway at this stage.

Yeah I saw that two and thought it was a bit lazy. Good chance the oldest Galway player starting on Sat could be Flynn at age 27, if he makes it. There's noone bar Bradshaw or O'D even close to retirement age
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 01:43:12 PM
It will be the end of the line for Walsh if Galway lose, Galway certainly won't be rocked by any retirements after the game so not sure what McStay is on about; Bradshaw the only one at retirement age.

Yeah first thing I noticed from that. Galway lose and Walsh is almost certainly gone but they will hardly lose anyone to retirement. It's a fairly young squad still. Maybe Bradshaw or O'Donnell but you'll find plenty who think there are better players waiting in the wings for them anyway at this stage.

Yeah I saw that two and thought it was a bit lazy. Good chance the oldest Galway player starting on Sat could be Flynn at age 27, if he makes it. There's noone bar Bradshaw or O'D even close to retirement age

It's not relating to age. It's about attitude
If Galway lose to Mayo it means it's a losing dressing room

The hurlers had exactly the same problem in 2011. I think Mayo may have had as well the year before, actually. When did ye lose to Longford in round 1 of the QFs? ?
Galway hurlers dropped a load of senior players and brought in the core of an all ireland winning u 21 team. they got to the AIF the following year. Mayo did too
 
Galway eventually won the all Ireland in 2017. Unfortunately Mayo did not.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 02, 2019, 01:44:55 PM
If pitch size is a concern Mayo should have looked for the Hyde. There are worse things in life than a few fair weather supporters not getting tickets to a game.

Mayo weren’t offered the Hyde, they were offered home/away or Limerick.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 02, 2019, 01:46:18 PM
Attendance for some recent round 4 knock out championship games involving Mayo and Galway played in neutral venues

Cork v Mayo in Gaelic Grounds  : 13,505
Galway v Donegal in Markievicz Park : 10,564

Should be interesting to see what the attendance will be in Limerick as all ticket game in Hyde Park would be a sell out while 20k plus would attend if the game was played in Castlebar or Salthill and TBH i still can understand why both couldn't agree on a toss of a coin for home advantage than opting for Limerick.

Galway were happy to toss a coin for home game, the Mayo County Board weren't.

Can anyone elaborate why the Mayo county board weren't happy? both are well versed in the home and away agreement in the Connacht championship and i think more supporters would attend this game if it was kept in Connacht.

Poor record in Castlebar and Salthill. This is a do or die game, and they’re entitled to a neutral venue.

Mayo are unbeaten in qualifiers in Castlebar. Mayo have won 3 of their last 4 championship games v Galway in Salthill.

That’s so irrelevant in today’s money , at present we struggle at mchale Park especially against a team like Galway who can set up accordingly for small pitch . This is a big game , win this and along with the league title it’s a satisfactory season , doesn’t really matter what happens in super 8 if we did win , it genuinely is bonus territory.  Btw I don’t think we will win

If you try to sell that to people few will buy it.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Manning18 on July 02, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
It will be the end of the line for Walsh if Galway lose, Galway certainly won't be rocked by any retirements after the game so not sure what McStay is on about; Bradshaw the only one at retirement age.

Yeah first thing I noticed from that. Galway lose and Walsh is almost certainly gone but they will hardly lose anyone to retirement. It's a fairly young squad still. Maybe Bradshaw or O'Donnell but you'll find plenty who think there are better players waiting in the wings for them anyway at this stage.

Yeah I saw that two and thought it was a bit lazy. Good chance the oldest Galway player starting on Sat could be Flynn at age 27, if he makes it. There's noone bar Bradshaw or O'D even close to retirement age

It's not relating to age. It's about attitude
If Galway lose to Mayo it means it's a losing dressing room

The hurlers had exactly the same problem in 2011. I think Mayo may have had as well the year before, actually. When did ye lose to Longford in round 1 of the QFs? ?
Galway hurlers dropped a load of senior players and brought in the core of an all ireland winning u 21 team. they got to the AIF the following year. Mayo did too
 
Galway eventually won the all Ireland in 2017. Unfortunately Mayo did not.

What on earth are you talking about? McStay predicted multiple Galway retirement if they lose. We're merely pointing out that few of the players are near retirement whatsoever. The management situation is seperate
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 02, 2019, 02:53:51 PM
It will be the end of the line for Walsh if Galway lose, Galway certainly won't be rocked by any retirements after the game so not sure what McStay is on about; Bradshaw the only one at retirement age.

Yeah first thing I noticed from that. Galway lose and Walsh is almost certainly gone but they will hardly lose anyone to retirement. It's a fairly young squad still. Maybe Bradshaw or O'Donnell but you'll find plenty who think there are better players waiting in the wings for them anyway at this stage.

Yeah I saw that two and thought it was a bit lazy. Good chance the oldest Galway player starting on Sat could be Flynn at age 27, if he makes it. There's noone bar Bradshaw or O'D even close to retirement age

It's not relating to age. It's about attitude
If Galway lose to Mayo it means it's a losing dressing room

The hurlers had exactly the same problem in 2011. I think Mayo may have had as well the year before, actually. When did ye lose to Longford in round 1 of the QFs? ?
Galway hurlers dropped a load of senior players and brought in the core of an all ireland winning u 21 team. they got to the AIF the following year. Mayo did too
 
Galway eventually won the all Ireland in 2017. Unfortunately Mayo did not.
No, he said specifically...
"
The losing team is facing into many retirements. If you look at Mayo, nearly half their panel is 27 and older, and seven of them are 30 years and older. Likewise, Galway have veteran players who have soldiered long and hard for their county. So the reality is that a cadre of players is probably 70 minutes and a defeat away from calling it a day. Everything is riding on this one game.
"
Of course he's talking about age.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 02, 2019, 04:07:13 PM
It will be the end of the line for Walsh if Galway lose, Galway certainly won't be rocked by any retirements after the game so not sure what McStay is on about; Bradshaw the only one at retirement age.

Yeah first thing I noticed from that. Galway lose and Walsh is almost certainly gone but they will hardly lose anyone to retirement. It's a fairly young squad still. Maybe Bradshaw or O'Donnell but you'll find plenty who think there are better players waiting in the wings for them anyway at this stage.

Yeah I saw that two and thought it was a bit lazy. Good chance the oldest Galway player starting on Sat could be Flynn at age 27, if he makes it. There's noone bar Bradshaw or O'D even close to retirement age

It's not relating to age. It's about attitude
If Galway lose to Mayo it means it's a losing dressing room

The hurlers had exactly the same problem in 2011. I think Mayo may have had as well the year before, actually. When did ye lose to Longford in round 1 of the QFs? ?
Galway hurlers dropped a load of senior players and brought in the core of an all ireland winning u 21 team. they got to the AIF the following year. Mayo did too
 
Galway eventually won the all Ireland in 2017. Unfortunately Mayo did not.
No, he said specifically...
"
The losing team is facing into many retirements. If you look at Mayo, nearly half their panel is 27 and older, and seven of them are 30 years and older. Likewise, Galway have veteran players who have soldiered long and hard for their county. So the reality is that a cadre of players is probably 70 minutes and a defeat away from calling it a day. Everything is riding on this one game.
"
Of course he's talking about age.
"Long and hard for their county" is plamas for "not good enough" if they can't beat either Ros or a banjaxed Mayo
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: magpie seanie on July 02, 2019, 04:31:51 PM
If pitch size is a concern Mayo should have looked for the Hyde. There are worse things in life than a few fair weather supporters not getting tickets to a game.

Mayo weren’t offered the Hyde, they were offered home/away or Limerick.


I didn't say they were offered the Hyde. Read it again.  ::)
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 02, 2019, 04:34:12 PM
I see the winner will play Kerry a week on Sunday at 4pm
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 02, 2019, 04:55:55 PM
I see the winner will play Kerry a week on Sunday at 4pm

Tough on whoever wins but especially tough for Mayo. At least Galway have had a break. You'd wonder what shape Mayo will be in after the weekend with general wear and tear.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 02, 2019, 05:23:15 PM
€25 for tickets for the open seats (North Stand).
I'd expect the Rhubarbs season ticket holders will fill the covered stand.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 02, 2019, 08:29:17 PM
€25 for tickets for the open seats (North Stand).
I'd expect the Rhubarbs season ticket holders will fill the covered stand.

Supporters were charged €30 for stand tickets for the Mayo v Galway Connacht quarter final last year more proof if ever needed that the Connacht GAA overcharge.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 02, 2019, 11:01:52 PM
€25 for tickets for the open seats (North Stand).
I'd expect the Rhubarbs season ticket holders will fill the covered stand.

Supporters were charged €30 for stand tickets for the Mayo v Galway Connacht quarter final last year more proof if ever needed that the Connacht GAA overcharge.

If you were to buy a stand ticket on the day of the Connacht final it was going to set you back €40!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 03, 2019, 12:42:11 PM
Are the terraces being opened for Saturday?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 03, 2019, 01:13:03 PM
Any update on Aidan O'Shea ? will he be fit for Saturday ?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 03, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
Are the terraces being opened for Saturday?

I read that there are 20,000 seats between the 2 stands so presume they have to fill up before a terrace is opened.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 03, 2019, 01:50:11 PM
Are the terraces being opened for Saturday?

I read that there are 20,000 seats between the 2 stands so presume they have to fill up before a terrace is opened.

If they don’t fill that wouldn’t they have just had it in Roscommon?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 03, 2019, 02:17:25 PM

The unbearable lightness of being Mayo


 
Darragh Ó Sé: Super-8s clash with Mayo is exactly what Kerry need

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/darragh-%C3%B3-s%C3%A9-super-8s-clash-with-mayo-is-exactly-what-kerry-need-1.3944512

Every battle now represents a possible last stand for remarkable team
about 4 hours ago Updated: about 3 hours ago
 
Darragh Ó Sé

 

When the farmer sees you robbing the orchard he tends to fire a shot overhead but the second bullet is coming straight at you. The time for warnings has passed and not just for Mayo, Galway and the remaining qualifier teams.
Kerry people are extremely interested in Saturday night’s Connacht affair in Limerick. You couldn’t write that sentence until 2019 but the road thereafter leads to Killarney for the opening round of Super 8s.
And if last year taught us anything it’s to avoid, at all cost, losing that first game. The rough and tumble of championship is upon us. No higher stakes can be imagined for Galway and Mayo. Everything is on the line. Everything for Mayo. Inter-county careers could end, a team could permanently break apart.
Galway must show more if they are to progress. Their supporters turned against them after losing the Connacht final to Roscommon. That result put Kevin Walsh in an almost inescapable position. Does he change the way they play due to public opinion or does he hunker down and stay true to the chosen philosophy?
Really, the only answer is a little bit of both. The simple solution is to beat Mayo. Do it by any means, just do it.
The problem with Galway is they look like a team with the handbrake half up. I wrote about this a few weeks back – before Roscommon beat them – but when a player of Shane Walsh’s calibre turns away from goal and moves the ball laterally something is seriously wrong with the style of play.
Walsh, a gifted player who can move effortlessly off either his left or right, should only have two thoughts when the ball comes to him: how do I score or how to I create a score for someone else? Seeing him slow the pace takes any good out of the game. It’s not football at all. Head above water stuff.
But there is no easy way to alter how Galway are playing. It’s like a boat in the water. There are no sharp turns.
Kerry and Mayo find themselves in similar predicaments. It’s too late for radical change but Kerry’s defensive frailties – never mind 3-10, Cork should have scored 5-10 in the Munster final – and whatever happened to Mayo down the stretch against Armagh both appear deep-rooted.
No sharp turns then. More a hope that overall progress will get them where they need to be – safe passage secured towards an All-Ireland semi-final.
Disastrous memory
I put these three counties together as their fates are unavoidably linked over the coming fortnight. The immediate prize for the winner of Galway versus Mayo in the Gaelic Grounds is a trip to the Kingdom seven days later.
This Saturday is do or die, obviously, but there will be a similar enough feel in Fitzgerald Stadium a week later. Non-stop season defining games. If you aren’t ready for the football championship to ignite you never will be.
•   Galway and Mayo unlikely to fill Gaelic Grounds for qualifier
•   Nicky English: Joy for Wexford but Limerick show they're the team to beat
•   Dublin to face another trip north, as this year’s Super 8s take shape
But first Mayo must return to the scene of the 2014 crime that ended James Horan’s previous stint as manager. That crazy defeat to Kerry remains a disastrous memory for them.
Kerry want, almost need, Mayo to stay alive. They want the type of challenge only they are guaranteed to bring. They represent the ideal test to see if we’ve got our own house in order after the Munster final raised a load of concerns.
 Andy Moran should still have a role to play for Mayo. A very important one too, but closer to the cameos we saw from Bernard Brogan and Gooch Cooper at the tail end of their inter-county days. Photograph: James Crombie/Inpho
You need between 10 and 12 players motoring all summer long to escape the Super 8s. That’s the minimum requirement. Dublin would probably expect 17, 18 lads to be on the same level but Kerry – all of a sudden – need more men to step up. The goalie, Shane Ryan, is doing grand. Tadhg Morley looks solid enough. Tom O’Sullivan, no complaints. Up front, David Clifford and Stephen O’Brien, you’d be happy with their contributions. That’s it. Another five or six players must reach the same standard.
So Kerry definitely want Mayo, even to atone for the league meetings when they horsed us out of it, first in Tralee and then in the league final in Croke Park. We owe them. We know what’s needed to beat them. It will instantly lift standards in the panel and Mayo could well be jaded.
We don’t know what’s left in an ageing group that have been on the road for several weeks now, never might the previous five years since Horan walked after losing to Kerry in that All-Ireland semi-final replay.
What we know with certainty is we don’t know enough about any team, bar the Dubs. That’s the real reason Kerry need a run at Mayo. It’s a gift-wrapped test. Who believes the same challenge will come from Galway?
What we also know is you can’t be stumbling on the opening day of the Super 8s, like last year’s defeat to Galway in Croke Park when Kerry and Eamonn Fitzmaurice’s reign never recovered.
Enormous advantage
God, the home tie feels like an enormous advantage. I expect a performance of real substance from Kerry. The flaws exposed by Cork can be flipped into positives. Peaking in July seems more important than ever in the new system.
But we are leaping ahead of ourselves. All eyes are trained on Mayo v Galway. Certainly down here.
It’s the same old story for Mayo. The same, yet older, faces remain as key figures. With Lee Keegan definitely out that’s more weight on Aidan O’Shea and the returning Cillian O’Connor. Other veterans like Chris Barrett and Brendan Harrison also need to keep performing unlike the fresh blood infused into Dublin’s panel each and every season by Jim Gavin.
Same goes for Kerry’s list of minor winners seeking to transform into senior footballers. Mayo haven’t got anywhere near the same talent bursting through. At least they are still doing what makes so many neutrals love them. Scraping by. Surviving.
Time keeping is a controllable. It shouldn’t be an opinion
Maurice Deegan may avoid the south Armagh borderlands for a while. They won’t be happy with his refereeing performance in Castlebar last Saturday night. Kieran McGeeney said as much about the time keeping.
We have banged this drum enough times and still no change. This is not a shot at Maurice. Time keeping is a controllable. It shouldn’t be an opinion! It’s an exact science in all the other serious sports and shouldn’t be lumped on the referee as the seconds tick away in a nail-biting qualifier. The fourth official could be whispering in his ear and Maurice could be relaying to players, as we see in rugby, precisely how long remains. Armagh deserved more time to finish off the old heavyweight they had up against the ropes.
But, instead, Mayo were allowed spoil the extra minutes to end Armagh’s season. The game keeps changing, the pace keeps going up a notch, yet the GAA stays the same on this instantly solvable issue. “Injury time” should be a dead phrase years ago. That, in one fell swoop, would remove the blatant time wasters.
Dublin are the best at it, along with everything else, as from 60 minutes they can mesmerise the opposition with how they kill the clock. They do it with ball movement and they do it by trespassing deep into your land. If they sense a team is settling for the moral victory, they will destroy that illusion on the scoreboard.
Dublin play to the death. Mayo survive. Horan has returned, after five seasons, to find a very familiar panel of men. Take Andy Moran. A man who owes Gaelic football nothing at this stage, guaranteed hall of famer if we had such a thing, Andy even added that wonderful Indian summer in 2017. But there he was last Saturday, central to the cause until Horan pulled him before half-time.
Last stand
Moran should still have a role to play for Mayo. A very important one too, but closer to the cameos we saw from Bernard Brogan and Gooch Cooper at the tail end of their inter-county days. Phased out but useful, like the fella who has paid his dues still coming into the office on a three day week. Strolling around with cup of coffee in hand yet well able to put a few neat points over the bar or thread a pass, so the last medal feels earned.
That Andy Moran remains the first port of call in Mayo’s inside forward line does not bode well for them.
Now, I’d be a fool to write these men off, but every battle represents a last stand for the Mayo team we have witnessed, with jaws to the floor at times, since 2011.
They are still standing. And the irony of having to return to the Gaelic Grounds will not be lost on any of them. Mayo folk must grimace at the mere mention of 2014 because that was the All-Ireland that slipped through the fingers of Horan, Moran, O’Shea, Keegan, O’Connor and Keith Higgins into the lap of Fitzmaurice and Kerry.
More misery or the chance to exorcise some ghosts while dumping out Galway in the process? I’d say the latter.
Kerry calmly await the winners down in Killarney. Yes indeed, we are entering deep championship waters. 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 03, 2019, 04:57:01 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 03, 2019, 05:03:55 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.

Don’t believe half them at all
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Manning18 on July 03, 2019, 05:32:10 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.

Don’t believe half them at all

Flynn was 100% injured post Connacht final and Bradshaw didn't play in club championship last week. We have the world and his mother telling us how unlucky Mayo are with 4-5 injuries, yet when the Galway ones are mentioned its all smokescreen and mirrors. Was the same prior to the Connacht final, yet lo and behold, they all turned out to be injured
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 03, 2019, 05:33:47 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.

Don’t believe half them at all

Which ones don't you believe ? 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: joemamas on July 03, 2019, 06:09:22 PM
so right now it looks like

For Mayo

Out
Ruane
O Connor
Keegan
Jason Doherty, (hard to see him being anywhere near fully fit in a week)

For Galway

?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 03, 2019, 06:55:08 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.

Convinced Flynn wasn't right for the Roscommon game. Never saw him move so poorly. He was like a statue.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Crete Boom on July 03, 2019, 07:09:00 PM
so right now it looks like

For Mayo

Out
Ruane
O Connor
Keegan
Jason Doherty, (hard to see him being anywhere near fully fit in a week)

For Galway

?

Apart from Duggan I woulld guess all the rest mentioned will miraciously be good to go Sat evening!!
I expect Comer to start which should reak havoc in our full back line and maybe Conroy might come off the bench for the last 10 mins. Fair play to Conroy for making such a quick recovery from such a horror injury.

Maybe we might be able to squeeze 10 mins out of Jason Doc and maybe another 10 mins out of Seami O'Shea!!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 03, 2019, 07:18:29 PM
so right now it looks like

For Mayo

Out
Ruane
O Connor
Keegan
Jason Doherty, (hard to see him being anywhere near fully fit in a week)

For Galway

?

Apart from Duggan I woulld guess all the rest mentioned will miraciously be good to go Sat evening!!
I expect Comer to start which should reak havoc in our full back line and maybe Conroy might come off the bench for the last 10 mins. Fair play to Conroy for making such a quick recovery from such a horror injury.

Maybe we might be able to squeeze 10 mins out of Jason Doc and maybe another 10 mins out of Seami O'Shea!!
Genuinely there is zero chance of Comer starting. He is miles off the pace - would be a bad bad call to start him.
He’ll be in the 26 alright though.
Both Flynn and O Curraoin were carrying injuries into the Connacht final.
They played only because Conroy wasn’t ready and Duggan was already injured.
Fiontain had a hamstring strain/pull in a club game only 3 weeks beforehand it was madness to start him. We have little cover around the middle now.
Genuinely have no idea about the other players carrying knocks as regards their readiness for the weekend but know there are definitely guys carrying knocks. Whether or not they are ready for Sat remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 03, 2019, 07:19:51 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.
Is Bradshaw definitely injured?
I know he didn’t play for Moycullen in the last round but he was suspended anyway as was sent off in the first round game.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 03, 2019, 07:36:38 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.
Is Bradshaw definitely injured?
I know he didn’t play for Moycullen in the last round but he was suspended anyway as was sent off in the first round game.

The Mayo News named Molloy, Duggan and Ó Curraoin as being doubtful for the game.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 03, 2019, 07:49:03 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.
Is Bradshaw definitely injured?
I know he didn’t play for Moycullen in the last round but he was suspended anyway as was sent off in the first round game.
Duggan is 100% out. Wasn’t sure if Molloy had recovered or not.

The Mayo News named Molloy, Duggan and Ó Curraoin as being doubtful for the game.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 03, 2019, 10:14:10 PM
so right now it looks like

For Mayo

Out
Ruane
O Connor
Keegan
Jason Doherty, (hard to see him being anywhere near fully fit in a week)

For Galway

?

Apart from Duggan I woulld guess all the rest mentioned will miraciously be good to go Sat evening!!
I expect Comer to start which should reak havoc in our full back line and maybe Conroy might come off the bench for the last 10 mins. Fair play to Conroy for making such a quick recovery from such a horror injury.

Maybe we might be able to squeeze 10 mins out of Jason Doc and maybe another 10 mins out of Seami O'Shea!!
Genuinely there is zero chance of Comer starting. He is miles off the pace - would be a bad bad call to start him.
He’ll be in the 26 alright though.
Both Flynn and O Curraoin were carrying injuries into the Connacht final.
They played only because Conroy wasn’t ready and Duggan was already injured.
Fiontain had a hamstring strain/pull in a club game only 3 weeks beforehand it was madness to start him. We have little cover around the middle now.
Genuinely have no idea about the other players carrying knocks as regards their readiness for the weekend but know there are definitely guys carrying knocks. Whether or not they are ready for Sat remains to be seen.
i would think comer will be lucky to make the 26, three weeks ago he wasn't fit to start for annaghdown in the championship and when he came on for the last ten minutes he wasn't great :(
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 04, 2019, 08:26:42 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-statistics-galway-are-made-to-thwart-right-sided-mayo-1.3945927

GAA Statistics: Galway are made to thwart right-sided Mayo
Are Galway playing enough Corofin players? And why Mayo’s attack is so predictable
about 3 hours ago
 
Eamon Donoghue

 
Galway’s defensive system is made for predictable attacks, and that’s why it holds up so well against Mayo.

In their last seven wins over Mayo – they’ve won seven in a row in all competitions against their Connacht rivals – Galway have conceded an average of just 0-6 from play, and only 0-12 per match including frees and the rest.

Mayo are a combative team who look to penetrate quickly, break tackles, get into scoring zones and shoot. They are powerful, brave, talented. But not patient and not balanced.

Mayo's game is about support play, often sacrificing width or shape in their gusto. They have been a great team because of their obsession with powering through the lines and ultimately through the opposition D - the heart of the defence. But it’s also what makes their attack predictable, that and their lack of left-footers.

Against Armagh, Mayo started with just two left-footers. Aidan O’Shea in the middle of the park who fists more ball than he kicks. And Fionn McDonagh.

Their other left-footers who feature regularly are attackers Kevin McLoughlin – a converted halfback – and Evan Regan.

If Mayo were a kicking team you would see a lot of their play end up on the left side of the field, but as a running team Mayo players tend to gravitate towards their more comfortable right side, even after a kick from right to left. From here they’ll look to break back into the centre, or if that’s not possible take on a shot.

, Mayo have taken on 36 per cent of their shots from the right wing. They’ve converted only 15 of 31 attempts from that side, and crucially have scored only four of nine frees (and 45s) from the left-footer’s angle. Because, for the large part, they have not had a natural left-footed scorer on the field.


Scoreable frees
McLoughlin missed a last-second free to rescue a draw against Roscommon, earlier in that game he hit the post with a routine effort and he kick passed another outside of the Roscommon 45.

In the win over Down, a win owed to goalkeeper David Clarke, Conor Loftus turned down two scoreable frees from the right wing to go short.

So that’s the place to let them have the ball or foul them. Interestingly in the second half against Armagh when they kicked only one wide, Mayo managed to avoid taking a single shot from that right wing.

This Galway team was constructed to thwart Mayo – or allow them to thwart themselves
Against Roscommon only three of 14 shots from that side were taken by left-footers, all three were missed. Their last three shots of the match were all from that wing, again none were converted. The likes of Lee Keegan, Patrick Durcan and Diarmuid O’Connor will all have a go from the right wing, but no matter the preference this is still not the most accurate angle for a team of right-footers.

So Mayo are either running down the throat of the opposition or, if that fails, to a zone they struggle to score from. It’s little wonder they are missing so many chances.

The way to break down Galway’s blanket is with patience and width. Exposing the zonal marking by moving the ball and the angle of running. Or kicking the ball long right through the lines, first time. Both approaches go against Mayo’s instinct.

Looking at the 2018 Connacht Championship meeting between Galway and Mayo and this year’s league encounter – Mayo have had a combined 12 shots from the left flank, 17 down the centre and 22 from the right. They’ve scored on six occasions from the left, 10 times down the centre, and eight from the right. Converting only three of seven chances from frees and 45s on that right-hand side.

So it's clear the blockade around Galway's D forces even more play down that right side.

Kerry, or even Dublin, will come out and press with the aim of countering high up the pitch, and in doing so present Mayo with a reward for breaking lines. Galway though, they'll sit deep, frustrate, welcome them in and turn them over. This Galway team was constructed to thwart Mayo – or allow them to thwart themselves – it’s what they do.

Mayo will keep going for that punching run or dink pass, or veer right and shoot. And probably miss. Changing everything though, might beat Galway, but who is closer to winning an All-Ireland?

Criticism
Since the defeat to Roscommon in the Connacht final much of the criticism aimed towards the Galway management has been for the lack of Corofin players seeing action. Corofin have won the last two All-Ireland club championships, three of the last five, and the last six consecutive county titles. However, Liam Silke and All-Star corner forward Ian Burke were the only starters against the Rossies and Burke was taken off with the game in the boiling pot. Martin Farragher and Kieran Molloy were only brought on in the dying stages.

Galway, though, have used as many of their All-Ireland club winners as any other county in their position since Antrim in 2010, when St Gall’s were reigning club champions. So far this summer Galway have started four Corofin players – Bernard Power, Silke, Molloy and Burke – while Farragher has also made two substitute appearances.


A year earlier when Corofin were also champions only Burke and Molloy featured, the latter as a substitute in one match.


Dr Crokes won the club title in 2017 with Johnny Buckley and Fionn Fitzgerald both going on to make starts for the Kingdom. In 2016 Michael Dara Macauley was the only Ballyboden St Enda’s player to feature for the Dubs in the championship as they won Sam Maguire.

In 2015 it was Corofin again and they had four starters once more – Tom Healy, Silke, Gary Sice and Michael Lundy – and 12 months earlier Diarmuid Connolly was the only player on a vastly talented St Vincent’s team to make a championship appearance for Dublin. When St Brigid’s beat Ballymun in the 2013 final, Roscommon were a Division Three team but still only three players featured for the county side in a forgetful campaign.

Crossmaglen completed a double of their own in 2012, but only Aaron Kernan, Jamie Clarke and Johnny Hanratty wore the orange of Armagh that summer. While a year before that they had five; the same trio were joined by Tony Kernan and Paul Hearty.

Eight players
The performances of the Antrim footballers tend to coincide with the availability of the St Gall’s contingent, but after they won the club All-Ireland in 2010 eight players featured for Antrim (seven started) and they still went out in the first round of qualifiers.

While back in 2009 the current Dublin club champions, Kilmacud Crokes went on to lift silverware on St Patrick's day too. Paul Griffin, Rory O’Carroll, Darren Magee and Mark Davoren all started matches for Dublin that season, while Cian O’Sullivan and Pat Burke came off the bench.

So in 10 summers – starting from 2018-2009 rather than this uncompleted season – only twice have more club winners played for their county in the same year’s championship than Corofin/Galway in 2019. Of those 10 winners, their county team has exited the championship in the qualifiers on five occasions, and three of them never won a single championship game. The other five all went on and won provincial silverware. Galway will hope to end that trend in Saturday’s round four qualifier.

The reason for the lack of club winners filtering through to county squads?

Often promising players are actually denied the chance of nailing down a place on their county panel or team, during the pre-season and league, by their extended club commitments. And this early part of the season is growing in importance, year on year, for intercounty set-ups.

Also, a great club player is often a retired intercounty one. Some examples from recent All-Ireland club triumphs: Gary Sice (Corofin 2018, 2019), Colm Cooper (Dr Crokes 2017), Tomas Quinn (St Vincent’s 2014), Frankie Dolan (St Brigid’s 2013), or Oisin McConville (Crossmaglen 2012).

So while Galway’s performances this summer have been hard to watch, on this matter Kevin Walsh deserves to be cut a break.

He’ll know a win against Mayo is a lot more likely to lift the gloom than any explanation, though. And unless Mayo have a hidden hand to show, that looks on the cards. Again.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Manning18 on July 04, 2019, 09:07:31 AM
Looking like Conroy is the only midfielder out of 6 available for selection. Which basically means no midfielders fit. Has to be advantage Mayo, they have injuries themselves but at least aren't so clustered in one area. Add Comer and Bradshaw to that and things looks very grim
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 04, 2019, 09:43:11 AM
If we've only Conroy - who hasn't played any inter county in a year - fit for MF we are bunched.
I assume the other 5 are Duggan, Flynn, Ó Curraoin, Cooke and D'Arcy (who you couldn't be reliant on anyway)?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 04, 2019, 09:47:53 AM
Looking like Conroy is the only midfielder out of 6 available for selection. Which basically means no midfielders fit. Has to be advantage Mayo, they have injuries themselves but at least aren't so clustered in one area. Add Comer and Bradshaw to that and things looks very grim
Duggan and D’arcy the only definite absentees. D’arcy broke two fingers at training in the past week it seems though in all honesty he hasn’t played well any time I have seen him.
I wouldn’t saw FOC could be ready given a hamstring injury that has already been aggravated by playing the Connacht final?
I have no idea what shape Flynn and Cooke are in.
Michael Day should have been called into the squad as cover given all the bodies that are carrying knocks in that sector plus the fact PC is only just coming back from long term serious injury.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Tubberman on July 04, 2019, 09:58:55 AM
Looking like Conroy is the only midfielder out of 6 available for selection. Which basically means no midfielders fit. Has to be advantage Mayo, they have injuries themselves but at least aren't so clustered in one area. Add Comer and Bradshaw to that and things looks very grim

Seamie O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mattie Ruane, Diarmuid O'Connor - that's a fair midfield cluster!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Crete Boom on July 04, 2019, 10:06:49 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-statistics-galway-are-made-to-thwart-right-sided-mayo-1.3945927

GAA Statistics: Galway are made to thwart right-sided Mayo
Are Galway playing enough Corofin players? And why Mayo’s attack is so predictable
about 3 hours ago
 
Eamon Donoghue

 
Galway’s defensive system is made for predictable attacks, and that’s why it holds up so well against Mayo.

In their last seven wins over Mayo – they’ve won seven in a row in all competitions against their Connacht rivals – Galway have conceded an average of just 0-6 from play, and only 0-12 per match including frees and the rest.

Mayo are a combative team who look to penetrate quickly, break tackles, get into scoring zones and shoot. They are powerful, brave, talented. But not patient and not balanced.

Mayo's game is about support play, often sacrificing width or shape in their gusto. They have been a great team because of their obsession with powering through the lines and ultimately through the opposition D - the heart of the defence. But it’s also what makes their attack predictable, that and their lack of left-footers.

Against Armagh, Mayo started with just two left-footers. Aidan O’Shea in the middle of the park who fists more ball than he kicks. And Fionn McDonagh.

Their other left-footers who feature regularly are attackers Kevin McLoughlin – a converted halfback – and Evan Regan.

If Mayo were a kicking team you would see a lot of their play end up on the left side of the field, but as a running team Mayo players tend to gravitate towards their more comfortable right side, even after a kick from right to left. From here they’ll look to break back into the centre, or if that’s not possible take on a shot.

, Mayo have taken on 36 per cent of their shots from the right wing. They’ve converted only 15 of 31 attempts from that side, and crucially have scored only four of nine frees (and 45s) from the left-footer’s angle. Because, for the large part, they have not had a natural left-footed scorer on the field.


Scoreable frees
McLoughlin missed a last-second free to rescue a draw against Roscommon, earlier in that game he hit the post with a routine effort and he kick passed another outside of the Roscommon 45.

In the win over Down, a win owed to goalkeeper David Clarke, Conor Loftus turned down two scoreable frees from the right wing to go short.

So that’s the place to let them have the ball or foul them. Interestingly in the second half against Armagh when they kicked only one wide, Mayo managed to avoid taking a single shot from that right wing.

This Galway team was constructed to thwart Mayo – or allow them to thwart themselves
Against Roscommon only three of 14 shots from that side were taken by left-footers, all three were missed. Their last three shots of the match were all from that wing, again none were converted. The likes of Lee Keegan, Patrick Durcan and Diarmuid O’Connor will all have a go from the right wing, but no matter the preference this is still not the most accurate angle for a team of right-footers.

So Mayo are either running down the throat of the opposition or, if that fails, to a zone they struggle to score from. It’s little wonder they are missing so many chances.

The way to break down Galway’s blanket is with patience and width. Exposing the zonal marking by moving the ball and the angle of running. Or kicking the ball long right through the lines, first time. Both approaches go against Mayo’s instinct.

Looking at the 2018 Connacht Championship meeting between Galway and Mayo and this year’s league encounter – Mayo have had a combined 12 shots from the left flank, 17 down the centre and 22 from the right. They’ve scored on six occasions from the left, 10 times down the centre, and eight from the right. Converting only three of seven chances from frees and 45s on that right-hand side.

So it's clear the blockade around Galway's D forces even more play down that right side.

Kerry, or even Dublin, will come out and press with the aim of countering high up the pitch, and in doing so present Mayo with a reward for breaking lines. Galway though, they'll sit deep, frustrate, welcome them in and turn them over. This Galway team was constructed to thwart Mayo – or allow them to thwart themselves – it’s what they do.

Mayo will keep going for that punching run or dink pass, or veer right and shoot. And probably miss. Changing everything though, might beat Galway, but who is closer to winning an All-Ireland?

Criticism
Since the defeat to Roscommon in the Connacht final much of the criticism aimed towards the Galway management has been for the lack of Corofin players seeing action. Corofin have won the last two All-Ireland club championships, three of the last five, and the last six consecutive county titles. However, Liam Silke and All-Star corner forward Ian Burke were the only starters against the Rossies and Burke was taken off with the game in the boiling pot. Martin Farragher and Kieran Molloy were only brought on in the dying stages.

Galway, though, have used as many of their All-Ireland club winners as any other county in their position since Antrim in 2010, when St Gall’s were reigning club champions. So far this summer Galway have started four Corofin players – Bernard Power, Silke, Molloy and Burke – while Farragher has also made two substitute appearances.


A year earlier when Corofin were also champions only Burke and Molloy featured, the latter as a substitute in one match.


Dr Crokes won the club title in 2017 with Johnny Buckley and Fionn Fitzgerald both going on to make starts for the Kingdom. In 2016 Michael Dara Macauley was the only Ballyboden St Enda’s player to feature for the Dubs in the championship as they won Sam Maguire.

In 2015 it was Corofin again and they had four starters once more – Tom Healy, Silke, Gary Sice and Michael Lundy – and 12 months earlier Diarmuid Connolly was the only player on a vastly talented St Vincent’s team to make a championship appearance for Dublin. When St Brigid’s beat Ballymun in the 2013 final, Roscommon were a Division Three team but still only three players featured for the county side in a forgetful campaign.

Crossmaglen completed a double of their own in 2012, but only Aaron Kernan, Jamie Clarke and Johnny Hanratty wore the orange of Armagh that summer. While a year before that they had five; the same trio were joined by Tony Kernan and Paul Hearty.

Eight players
The performances of the Antrim footballers tend to coincide with the availability of the St Gall’s contingent, but after they won the club All-Ireland in 2010 eight players featured for Antrim (seven started) and they still went out in the first round of qualifiers.

While back in 2009 the current Dublin club champions, Kilmacud Crokes went on to lift silverware on St Patrick's day too. Paul Griffin, Rory O’Carroll, Darren Magee and Mark Davoren all started matches for Dublin that season, while Cian O’Sullivan and Pat Burke came off the bench.

So in 10 summers – starting from 2018-2009 rather than this uncompleted season – only twice have more club winners played for their county in the same year’s championship than Corofin/Galway in 2019. Of those 10 winners, their county team has exited the championship in the qualifiers on five occasions, and three of them never won a single championship game. The other five all went on and won provincial silverware. Galway will hope to end that trend in Saturday’s round four qualifier.

The reason for the lack of club winners filtering through to county squads?

Often promising players are actually denied the chance of nailing down a place on their county panel or team, during the pre-season and league, by their extended club commitments. And this early part of the season is growing in importance, year on year, for intercounty set-ups.

Also, a great club player is often a retired intercounty one. Some examples from recent All-Ireland club triumphs: Gary Sice (Corofin 2018, 2019), Colm Cooper (Dr Crokes 2017), Tomas Quinn (St Vincent’s 2014), Frankie Dolan (St Brigid’s 2013), or Oisin McConville (Crossmaglen 2012).

So while Galway’s performances this summer have been hard to watch, on this matter Kevin Walsh deserves to be cut a break.

He’ll know a win against Mayo is a lot more likely to lift the gloom than any explanation, though. And unless Mayo have a hidden hand to show, that looks on the cards. Again.

Cheers for posting that Seaf.
Good article and I wouldn't argue with any of it but I hope he is wrong!
Maybe all the enforced changes might mean a different outcome and slightly different approach from us but probably not so it will more than likely go down to the wire again and could be a real slugfest!!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Manning18 on July 04, 2019, 10:09:30 AM
Looking like Conroy is the only midfielder out of 6 available for selection. Which basically means no midfielders fit. Has to be advantage Mayo, they have injuries themselves but at least aren't so clustered in one area. Add Comer and Bradshaw to that and things looks very grim

Seamie O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mattie Ruane, Diarmuid O'Connor - that's a fair midfield cluster!

Fair enough. I wasn't counting DOC as a midfielder but I suppose currently he is. AOS and Vaughan is a perfectly fine intercounty midfield, with SOS to come on. Certainly good enough that Galway will have to go short on their own and probably concede the Mayo kickout unless the injury situation changes
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 04, 2019, 10:24:57 AM
Looking like Conroy is the only midfielder out of 6 available for selection. Which basically means no midfielders fit. Has to be advantage Mayo, they have injuries themselves but at least aren't so clustered in one area. Add Comer and Bradshaw to that and things looks very grim

Seamie O'Shea, Tom Parsons, Mattie Ruane, Diarmuid O'Connor - that's a fair midfield cluster!

Fair enough. I wasn't counting DOC as a midfielder but I suppose currently he is. AOS and Vaughan is a perfectly fine intercounty midfield, with SOS to come on. Certainly good enough that Galway will have to go short on their own and probably concede the Mayo kickout unless the injury situation changes

But Aidan O'Shea is "doubtful" for the game. Same as Flynn, Cooke, O Curraoin etc!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mac2 on July 04, 2019, 10:29:15 AM
If we've only Conroy - who hasn't played any inter county in a year - fit for MF we are bunched.
I assume the other 5 are Duggan, Flynn, Ó Curraoin, Cooke and D'Arcy (who you couldn't be reliant on anyway)?
Would Walsh not come out around the middle then?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 04, 2019, 10:48:42 AM
If we've only Conroy - who hasn't played any inter county in a year - fit for MF we are bunched.
I assume the other 5 are Duggan, Flynn, Ó Curraoin, Cooke and D'Arcy (who you couldn't be reliant on anyway)?
Would Walsh not come out around the middle then?
Walsh and Ronan Steede with a cameo from Daithi burke with 20 minutes left
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2019, 11:01:54 AM
Let's go backs v forwards only for this game.  :P
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: giveballaghback on July 04, 2019, 11:46:07 AM
" well its crying time again" a great song but a sad lament.
Is this Connacht shield final worth playing atal atal in these circumstances.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2019, 11:55:19 AM
" well its crying time again" a great song but a sad lament.
Is this Connacht shield final worth playing atal atal in these circumstances.

I'm sure you'll enjoy and get great gladness when Galway win the shield.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 04, 2019, 01:12:48 PM
Who is Eamon Donoghue?

Describing Kevin McLouglin as a converted half back is a bit rich, he hasn’t played HB for 10 years FFS
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Tubberman on July 04, 2019, 01:34:55 PM
Who is Eamon Donoghue?

Describing Kevin McLouglin as a converted half back is a bit rich, he hasn’t played HB for 10 years FFS

Sure Andy Moran is a converted HB too.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 04, 2019, 01:44:16 PM
Galway always produce decent forwards. Mayo tend to produce great backs and midfielders
Why is this  ?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 04, 2019, 01:45:04 PM
Who is Eamon Donoghue?

Describing Kevin McLouglin as a converted half back is a bit rich, he hasn’t played HB for 10 years FFS

Sure Andy Moran is a converted HB too.

Conor McManus another wasn't he?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 04, 2019, 01:50:36 PM
Galway always produce decent forwards. Mayo tend to produce great backs and midfielders
Why is this  ?

I think it's a case of stereotypes! Galway have not had a great forward since the 1998-2001 bunch.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 04, 2019, 02:13:08 PM
Galway always produce decent forwards. Mayo tend to produce great backs and midfielders
Why is this  ?

I think it's a case of stereotypes! Galway have not had a great forward since the 1998-2001 bunch.

Meehan. Sadly virtually finished at 25/26. Would have walked on the Galway team in either 98 or 01 though.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Crete Boom on July 04, 2019, 02:30:51 PM
Galway always produce decent forwards. Mayo tend to produce great backs and midfielders
Why is this  ?

Meath are never beaten either! ;)
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 04, 2019, 03:26:37 PM
Who is Eamon Donoghue?

Describing Kevin McLouglin as a converted half back is a bit rich, he hasn’t played HB for 10 years FFS
Andy Moran hasn't either
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 04, 2019, 03:34:43 PM
Galway always produce decent forwards. Mayo tend to produce great backs and midfielders
Why is this  ?

I think it's a case of stereotypes! Galway have not had a great forward since the 1998-2001 bunch.
Meehan. Shane Walsh and Comer are not bad either

Mayo of the late 90s went close but forwards were a problem. Same again more recently . Allstars concentrated elsewhere .
Forward all stars might be 1 in 3

 1993: Kevin O'Neill (Right-Half Forward).

1996: Kenneth Mortimer (Right-Corner Back), Pat Holmes (Right-Half Back), James Nallen (Centre-Half Back), Liam McHale (Midfield), James Horan (Left-Half Forward).

1997: Kenneth Mortimer (Right-Corner Back), Pat Fallon (Midfield).

1999: James Horan (Left-Half Forward).

2004: James Nallen (Centre-Half Back), Ciaran McDonald (Centre-Half Forward)

2006: Alan Dillon (Left-Half Forward), Conor Mortimer (Right-Full Forward).

2011: Andy Moran (Full Forward).

2012: Ger Cafferkey (Full Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Alan Dillon (Centre-Half Forward).

2013: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Midfield).

2014: Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Left-Half Back), Cillian O'Connor (Right-Corner Forward).

2015: Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Aiden O'Shea (Full Forward).

2016: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Brendan Harrison (Right-Corner Back) Lee Keegan (Right-Half Back), Colm Boyle (Centre Half Back).

2017: David Clarke (Goalkeeper), Chris Barett (Right-Corner Back), Keith Higgins (Left-Corner Back), Colm Boyle (Right-Half Back), Aidan O'Shea (Centre-Half Forward), Andy Moran (Left-Corner Forward).
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 04, 2019, 06:43:31 PM
I think a defeat for Galway on Saturday could be the making of them, genuine All Ireland contenders if they get the manager right for next year imo.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 04, 2019, 07:46:43 PM
I think a defeat for Galway on Saturday could be the making of them, genuine All Ireland contenders if they get the manager right for next year imo.

I hope the Galway players feel the same way.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 04, 2019, 08:02:55 PM
I think a defeat for Galway on Saturday could be the making of them, genuine All Ireland contenders if they get the manager right for next year imo.

I guess if we lose on Saturday, there's a silver lining in that it might prolong Walsh's tenure - not withstanding his good record against us, Galway would be better without him imo
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 04, 2019, 10:06:46 PM
Galway always produce decent forwards. Mayo tend to produce great backs and midfielders
Why is this  ?

I think it's a case of stereotypes! Galway have not had a great forward since the 1998-2001 bunch.
Meehan. Shane Walsh and Comer are not bad either


3 lads you can name in nearly 20 years! It just goes to show Stereotypes stick! Meath will win a tight game soon and everybody will say Meath teams are never bet!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: imtommygunn on July 04, 2019, 10:20:12 PM
Walsh talented but inconsistent and comer over rated. Meehan no doubt.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 04, 2019, 10:23:57 PM
Walsh talented but inconsistent and comer over rated. Meehan no doubt.

Problem isn’t comer being overrated, it’s comer being dragged out to wing back
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: imtommygunn on July 04, 2019, 10:25:09 PM
That too. Yeah I think most would agree that for Galway to improve a better manager maybe needed.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 04, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
That too. Yeah I think most would agree that for Galway to improve a better manager maybe needed.

Comer in his correct position with good service can be unstoppable
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on July 04, 2019, 10:44:05 PM
Who is Eamon Donoghue?


He's Mick Donoghue's second lad. Do you remember, the eldest lad, Michael, went to America and got ran, ended up in Canada. He was a big loss to the club, Michael was. Eamon was more of a chess man, God love him.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: IolarCoisCuain on July 04, 2019, 10:45:32 PM
I think a defeat for Galway on Saturday could be the making of them, genuine All Ireland contenders if they get the manager right for next year imo.

I guess if we lose on Saturday, there's a silver lining in that it might prolong Walsh's tenure - not withstanding his good record against us, Galway would be better without him imo

Winning an All-Ireland will prolong Walsh's tenure. Maybe making the final. Anything less and he's toast. Beating Mayo is been there, done that for him.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: mouview on July 04, 2019, 11:18:22 PM
Tom Flynn and Gareth Bradshaw the latest injury concerns for Galway, no end to the injuries for either side by the looks of things.
Is Bradshaw definitely injured?
I know he didn’t play for Moycullen in the last round but he was suspended anyway as was sent off in the first round game.

Bradshaw injured for last Moycullen game, wasn't suspended I think, as it was 2 yellows in previous round. Of all the injuris Galway have, his is the least concerning as John Daly can cover at CHB with McDaid or Heaney on the wing.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 05, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
From a Galway perspective what players we are going to be able to line out at midfield the key issue for tomorrow, not being able to get hold of the ball consistently in the second half of the Connacht final was the biggest problem (there was a range of problems all over the field, but this was the most pressing). Galway aren't playing well enough to survive on scraps of possession currently.

I'd be confident enough that KW will not change the style of play at this stage, I've seen some people expecting that he will do a major change up because it's do or die, I cannot see it happening. It's worked against Mayo before and he'll stick with it.

There's a good few Galway players that have not hit form in Championship 2019. Heaney hasn't been up to his usual level, after a great league Cummins was woeful against Sligo and London, O'Ceallaigh has been a disaster waiting to happen at FB, Kerin is mixing the bad and the good within matches, and how much has Gary O'Donnell got to offer as a starter at this stage based on performances to date? I have to assume that Flynn wasn't near 100% against the Rossies, he has been excellent for Galway in the past 12 months and he had a shocker in the Connacht final.
Ian Burke hasn't played well at all for Galway this year either. Now there's a lot of folk who point to the system not suiting him but to be honest regardless of the system he's been really subpar. I don't think that he’ll be dropped for tomorrow, but something has to be done in terms of the FF line as it’s just not working at the moment, perhaps Farragher starting at 14.
Unless he has had a miracle recovery if we see Comer at any point tomorrow evening I think it'll only be in a season on the line desperation scenario, if he's not near right Galway are better off leaving him out and let him come back for next year hopefully in a much healthier position, this year is nearly in write off territory already.

On the assumption that the Galway midfield injury issues are as advertised, that the Galway player form lines continue as they have this year and that O'Shea plays and isn't hobbled by a knock you'd have to give a hesitant nod to Mayo – at least they have a number of players like Coen and O’Shea who have been playing really well during the Championship and they are well overdue a win against Galway. I think the injuries on both sides might balance themselves out and if Mayo secure the majority of the possession in the middle third I can't see how Galway will win, they just aren't playing good enough. Against that I genuinely think that the Mayo full back line is there to be taken to the cleaners, not sure that Galway are the team to do so however.
I’m hoping that Galway will turn it around because this is going to be an absolute sickener to lose for either county, but I expected a serious uptick for the Connacht final yet instead we were routed in one of the worst second half performances I’ve ever seen from the Seniors, it’s hard to have any confidence in Galway turning it around at this stage in that context, too many players just not playing well enough.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 05, 2019, 12:16:48 PM
That’s mad I feel the exact same as an fhairche abu except the other way around .galway fb line can be got at but I don’t think we will win enough ball in the middle to beat Galway or test their fb line
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 05, 2019, 12:30:20 PM
this is going to be an absolute sickener to lose for either county

That is a fact!!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 05, 2019, 12:38:19 PM
Galway manager Kevin Walsh admits that finding a midfield pairing fit enough to face Mayo is torture at the moment.

Just days before their All-Ireland SFC qualifier clash against Mayo at the Gaelic Grounds, Walsh is left in the situation where five first-choice midfielders are on the treatment table.

Cein D’Arcy (hand), Fiontáin Ó Curraoin (hamstring), Ciaran Duggan (knee), Tom Flynn (foot) and Peter Cooke (foot) are all sidelined at present.

Walsh explained to the Connacht Tribune that Duggan is definitely out of the Mayo clash, but he is hoping that two of the remaining four pull through.

“It’s torture at the minute,” said Walsh. “Cein D’Arcy got a bad hand injury during the week; Ciaran Duggan won’t be returning for this one; Fiontáin Ó Currain is nursing a hamstring injury; and Tom Flynn and Peter Cooke are under pressure with foot injuries as well.

“So our five midfielders are under pressure. Hopefully, one or two will come through by the end of the week but we’ll see.”
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 05, 2019, 12:49:03 PM
That’s mad I feel the exact same as an fhairche abu except the other way around .galway fb line can be got at but I don’t think we will win enough ball in the middle to beat Galway or test their fb line
Looking like this is one area where we will have real problems tomorrow eve based on the genuine injury news from the Galway camp.  That being likely and based on our very poor performances to date, I think it going to be a tough evening for us unfortunately.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 05, 2019, 01:42:53 PM
It looks Galway are been tipped by many in the media based Mayo's injuries whilst totally ignoring Galway's injury problems and complete lack of form since the end of the league.

We know what to expect from Mayo but haven't got a clue what Galway will turn up so based on that Mayo have to be favourites.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 05, 2019, 01:51:54 PM
Mayo are favourites with all of the bookies to win by a point or two and law of average says they are due a win v Galway.  No teams published yet, looks like both managers aren't too keen to give anything away other that let the media talk up the injury list they have and i reckon a number of players that are meant to be ruled out will start this game.



Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 05, 2019, 06:47:27 PM
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Chris Barrett - Belmullet
3. Brendan Harrison - Aghamore
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5. Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels(C)
6. Colm Boyle - Davitts
7. Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
8. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
9. Aidan O’Shea - Breaffy
10. Fionn McDonagh - Westport
11. Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
12. Ciaran Treacy - Ballina Stephenites
13. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14. Darren Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
15. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: highorlow on July 05, 2019, 10:24:57 PM
Quote
1. David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
2. Chris Barrett - Belmullet
3. Brendan Harrison - Aghamore
4. Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5. Patrick Durcan - Castlebar Mitchels(C)
6. Colm Boyle - Davitts
7. Michael Plunkett - Ballintubber
8. Stephen Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
9. Aidan O’Shea - Breaffy
10. Fionn McDonagh - Westport
11. Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
12. Ciaran Treacy - Ballina Stephenites
13. Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14. Darren Coen - Hollymount/Carramore
15. Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore

What’s this now? The team or the latest injury list?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: larryin89 on July 05, 2019, 10:46:48 PM
Rumour flying about leeroy will play some part .
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 05, 2019, 11:02:14 PM
The @Galway_GAA team to play @MayoGAA - R Lavelle; E Kerin, SA O Ceallaigh, L Silke; G O’Donnell, C McDaid, J Daly; T Flynn, M Daly; P Cooke, S Walsh, J Heaney; A O Laoi, M Farragher, I Burke.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 05, 2019, 11:05:45 PM
The @Galway_GAA team to play @MayoGAA - R Lavelle; E Kerin, SA O Ceallaigh, L Silke; G O’Donnell, C McDaid, J Daly; T Flynn, M Daly; P Cooke, S Walsh, J Heaney; A O Laoi, M Farragher, I Burke.

2 of the "injured" lads starting, ye Galway boys are lying aul hoors!!!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 05, 2019, 11:07:59 PM
In with a chance now if Flynn and Cooke are actually fit and up to it.
Delighted to see Farragher starting, hope he lights it up.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 05, 2019, 11:14:02 PM
Really thought we'd see Power in goal, kick outs are going to be crucial tomorrow and Lavelle is not as good as Power. That said I wouldn't be surprised if we see changes before throw in. No Molloy either
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 05, 2019, 11:24:43 PM
There will be changes to both team prior to throw in I’d expect.

If it comes anywhere close to the minor game this evening it would be a pleasant surprise.  Great exhibition from both minor teams -  will be interesting to see how they go in the All Ireland series. 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 06, 2019, 07:07:00 AM
Check this 2014 preview out. A certain person noting that Galway were lacking intinsity.
They had better have it this evening.

#JaysusChrisht

https://youtu.be/9In3bD0D4n8
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 06, 2019, 07:10:48 AM
Here’s another blast from the past

« They are a bit flaky. You never know what you are going to get »

https://youtu.be/xp9Wg4fkcHM

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 06, 2019, 07:38:54 AM
Hard to know what to make of that Galway team.
McDaid I assume won’t play centre back anyway - more likely that will be John Daly.
Conroy held in reserve I assume for fitness reasons.
Power should be in goal he’s the best we have full stop.
Big chance for Peter Cooke this eve - for me he has never really done it in a Galway Jersey despite the ability he has. Time to alter that today!
The bench could be crucial - haven’t heard the subs but Conroy, Comer, Sean Kelly, Brannigan, Molloy, Kyne if all are fit are decent options to call upon.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 06, 2019, 08:23:11 AM
What are the likely match ups on both sides?

We'll probably put Barrett on Farragher, Harrison on Burke, Higgins on O'Laoi and Durcan on Walsh. The one poor game that Fionn McDonagh had this year was against Galway in the league. Johnny Heaney was marking him that day so we could see him switching to half back.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2019, 08:45:06 AM
Anywhere close to the ground that one can watch the Cavan Tyrone game?

Hope our lads can rise themselves, because you can bet your house Galway will. How it's going to go depends on numerous factors. Can Mayo stop Shane Walsh for example, not only him but will Comer come on and wreak havoc? Will our full back line be as exposed? What if Aido isn't properly fit? What if, God forbid we get a man sent off again against them?

I cannot preview the match due to all the above factors. But what I can do is roar till I'm hoarse and continue on afterwards, which I intend to do. Safe travels later folks. Up Mayo.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 06, 2019, 10:34:14 AM
The @Galway_GAA team to play @MayoGAA - R Lavelle; E Kerin, SA O Ceallaigh, L Silke; G O’Donnell, C McDaid, J Daly; T Flynn, M Daly; P Cooke, S Walsh, J Heaney; A O Laoi, M Farragher, I Burke.

2 of the "injured" lads starting, ye Galway boys are lying aul hoors!!!
All lads have been doing is pointing out that there are players carrying injuries who may or may not make it - we don’t know yet who will or won’t.
It’s a fact that those lads such as Flynn and FOC are carrying injuries while it’s also a fact that Duggan and D’Arcy are definitely out.
I wouldn’t read too much into that named team either.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 12:14:33 PM
What is the Itinerary of todays winners? A game in Killarney, then Croker and then a home game?

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Tubberman on July 06, 2019, 12:37:23 PM
Keegan on Mayo bench. Comer & Conroy on Galway bench
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 06, 2019, 12:55:31 PM
Keegan on Mayo bench. Comer & Conroy on Galway bench

Full benches by any chance?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: cornetto on July 06, 2019, 12:57:54 PM
Seems Tom Flynn is to have a fitness test this morning that will decide his fate,Paul conroy to make his first start since last year if Flynn doesn't make it.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Tubberman on July 06, 2019, 12:59:35 PM
Mayo:
Hennelly
EOD
Drake
McCormack
Carr
Vaughan
Regan
SOS
Loftus
Andy
Keegan

Galway:
Power
Brannigan
Conroy
Comer
Cummins
Duane
Young Larry
Kelly
Kyne
Molloy
Varley
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 06, 2019, 01:13:02 PM
Flynn won’t start I would say.
They might get 20 mins out of him at the end
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 06, 2019, 01:13:36 PM
What is the Itinerary of todays winners? A game in Killarney, then Croker and then a home game?

I feeling Kerry will make S**T of mayo next week. We have all the big guns for that next week.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2019, 01:16:14 PM
What's the out injured list for both counties now seeing that A O'Shea,J Doherty,L Keegan,T Flynn,P Cooke,P Conory,D Comer are all included in the match day panels?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 06, 2019, 01:21:14 PM
What's the out injured list for both counties now seeing that A O'Shea,J Doherty,L Keegan,T Flynn,P Cooke,P Conory,D Comer are all included in the match day panels?
For us I think Duggan, O Curraoin, D’Arcy and Bradshaw.
Flynn carrying an injury.
Comer and Conroy injury free but not match fit especially Comer.
Not sure if I’m forgetting anyone there
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 06, 2019, 01:30:02 PM
That's some recovery for Keegan, looked like a season ending injury for him last Saturday. Galway throwing Conroy in from the start would be a big risk, no county football since last July?

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Hound on July 06, 2019, 02:32:51 PM
Very good pre match thread.

I think it’s the Kerry Mayo game in Limerick, since I’ve been looking forward to a game as a neutral so much.

Any word on how ticket sales are going?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 06, 2019, 02:56:12 PM
Rumours (might be malicious though :D) that no more than 15,000 expected.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: LooseCannon on July 06, 2019, 03:48:20 PM
Someone close to Flynn told me the other day that he’s out.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: maigheo on July 06, 2019, 06:42:37 PM
Vaughan and Carr in for Treacy and Plunkett
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 06, 2019, 06:47:01 PM
Galway change keeper with Bernard Power replacing Ruairi Lavelle while Sean Andy O Ceallaigh, Thomas Flynn and Antaine O Laoi are replaced by Declan Kyne, Eamonn Brannigan & Sean Kelly.


Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 06, 2019, 07:03:52 PM
Galway change keeper with Bernard Power replacing Ruairi Lavelle while Sean Andy O Ceallaigh, Thomas Flynn and Antaine O Laoi are replaced by Declan Kyne, Eamonn Brannigan & Sean Kelly.

Very odd looking Galway side now.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 06, 2019, 07:06:59 PM
Game over
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 06, 2019, 07:26:49 PM
Galway change keeper with Bernard Power replacing Ruairi Lavelle while Sean Andy O Ceallaigh, Thomas Flynn and Antaine O Laoi are replaced by Declan Kyne, Eamonn Brannigan & Sean Kelly.

Very odd looking Galway side now.

Too many as it turned out, Galway look like a group of strangers.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 06, 2019, 07:28:28 PM
Kyne is so far off the pace it’s unreal. Madness to throw him in for his first game all year.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: dublin7 on July 06, 2019, 07:31:37 PM
Galway change keeper with Bernard Power replacing Ruairi Lavelle while Sean Andy O Ceallaigh, Thomas Flynn and Antaine O Laoi are replaced by Declan Kyne, Eamonn Brannigan & Sean Kelly.

Very odd looking Galway side now.

Too many as it turned out, Galway look like a group of strangers.

Galway 14 is an embarrassment. Bizarre decison to give him his 1st championship start tonight. Galway do look like ateam who only met for the 1st time on the way to the game. No 10 is the only galway player showing any fight.Best player on the pitch

1st goal shocking goalkeeping, 2nd was a super finish. Galway finding huge gaps down the middle of Mayo defence but not good enough to take advantage
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: yellowcard on July 06, 2019, 07:33:46 PM
Colm Boyle has wasted some amount of ball this half. This game not over yet.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Ed Ricketts on July 06, 2019, 07:43:21 PM
Lead flatters Mayo, who haven't been that great. Few big blunders by the Galway keeper and #2 gifted Mayo a goal and a couple of points.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Chimley on July 06, 2019, 07:51:00 PM
What a championship debut by Carr.
Cillian McDaid will give us nightmares in the future (hopefully  not starting tonight). He's a Rolls Royce of a footballer.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: whitey on July 06, 2019, 08:22:04 PM
According to Mid West “Dublin Joe” is giving everything to Galway
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 06, 2019, 08:27:14 PM
According to Mid West “Dublin Joe” is giving everything to Galway

Other way around.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: dublin7 on July 06, 2019, 08:30:54 PM
According to Mid West “Dublin Joe” is giving everything to Galway

Other way around.

If Mayo thought they got screwed by the ref the last time in Limerick they certainly can't complain tonight. Two goals are the difference but Galway have got nothing off the ref tonight. Cillian O'Connor at his usual antics and should have got a 2nd yellow. Can we call him "Mayo Joe" now
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: yellowcard on July 06, 2019, 08:36:24 PM
Galway have a serious set of forwards but flattered to deceive again. Shane Walsh is one of the most gifted forwards in the country but he had no impact on the game from open play.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Ed Ricketts on July 06, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
Dreadful attempt from Galway in those last 15 mins. Allowed themselves get sucked into scuffles all over the show and made too many rash stupid tackles. Killed any momentum they had. Mayo there for the taking, but very cynical and very smart finishing out the game.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: yellowcard on July 06, 2019, 08:43:03 PM
Would like to see a replay of the Comer bicycle kick attempt. I thought it was a scrappy enough contest but it had the goal of the season and a dramatic penalty save so there was still a bit of drama though.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Chimley on July 06, 2019, 08:44:49 PM
We're on target to get the sh*t kicked out of us in Kerry next weekend. A good Summer so far.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: red hander on July 06, 2019, 08:45:32 PM
Think this Mayo team is treading water at this stage. Nearly beaten by an average Armagh team at home and made heavy work of an average Galway team. Before Mayo people start attacking, I'd love Mayo to win Sam, but can't see it
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 08:48:50 PM
Great result for the Crokers Super Duper 8's. Attendances will be up!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 06, 2019, 08:51:17 PM
Saint Gillian gets off again and gets his opponent booked
Are referees stupid or just plain biased?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 08:51:52 PM
Think this Mayo team is treading water at this stage. Nearly beaten by an average Armagh team at home and made heavy work of an average Galway team. Before Mayo people start attacking, I'd love Mayo to win Sam, but can't see it

Yeah, tell us something we don't know! Dads Army can't go on forever! Feck me they did their best against a Doped Dublin for nearly a decade. You can only go to the well so many time. But feck me they are a stubborn bunch!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 06, 2019, 08:52:35 PM
Mayo don't fear Kerry. There be no hammering nxt week. Be no surprise if Mayo beat Kerry.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: yellowcard on July 06, 2019, 08:59:30 PM
Think Mayo will be a sitting duck for Kerry next week. Battle weary with a few injuries I can see O’Shea, Geaney and Clifford doing serious damage inside. They are getting through games but don’t look at all convincing and have had a few lucky breaks.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: imtommygunn on July 06, 2019, 09:00:24 PM
They will need to improve a lot unfortunately. I think everyone but Dublin, and maybe Donegal but still not sure they are even number 2, is getting worse.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 06, 2019, 09:07:36 PM
Think Mayo will be a sitting duck for Kerry next week. Battle weary with a few injuries I can see O’Shea, Geaney and Clifford doing serious damage inside. They are getting through games but don’t look at all convincing and have had a few lucky breaks.

I think Mayo will beat a youthful Kerry in transition next weekend. They are battle hardened having come through those 3 games now. I have no doubt that Kerry would have wanted Galway instead. 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rudi on July 06, 2019, 09:10:40 PM
Fair play to Mayo wouldnt be at all surprised if they beat Kerry next weekend. Galway to their credit never gave up unlike Cavan
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 06, 2019, 09:28:39 PM
Stuck in the Piarsaigh club fuckin car park. All Mayo players to a man stood up. The journey goes on to Killarney next wk. More tomorrow if I ever move.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: highorlow on July 06, 2019, 09:33:02 PM
Wasn’t expecting that. Maybe it’s a case of the bigger the challenge the better we are.

No fear now of any team, including Dublin.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Ed Ricketts on July 06, 2019, 09:35:28 PM
Wasn’t expecting that. Maybe it’s a case of the bigger the challenge the better we are.

No fear now of any team, including Dublin.

I thought Mayo were better last weekend. Galway were pretty clueless for most of the game this evening.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 06, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
Fair play to Mayo wouldnt be at all surprised if they beat Kerry next weekend. Galway to their credit never gave up unlike Cavan
Losing to Mayo is one thing but Rossie plámás is beyond the pale
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 10:00:03 PM
Fair play to Mayo wouldnt be at all surprised if they beat Kerry next weekend. Galway to their credit never gave up unlike Cavan
Losing to Mayo is one thing but Rossie plámás is beyond the pale

Count yourself lucky. This Super 8 gig is a road to nowhere. Time to get rid of Walsh, but only if there is a good replacement. That said, no Manager can get the supposed stronger counties up to the speed of Doped Dublin. Money saved if you ask me!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rudi on July 06, 2019, 10:00:23 PM
Fair play to Mayo wouldnt be at all surprised if they beat Kerry next weekend. Galway to their credit never gave up unlike Cavan
Losing to Mayo is one thing but Rossie plámás is beyond the pale

Must be difficult losing the Connacht shield final. Is that better Seafoid ;D
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Chimley on July 06, 2019, 10:00:47 PM
Fair play to Mayo wouldnt be at all surprised if they beat Kerry next weekend. Galway to their credit never gave up unlike Cavan
Losing to Mayo is one thing but Rossie plámás is beyond the pale

I thought that Galway showed a lot more today than against the Rossies even though they got hit by two early sucker punches. Take them away and there's nothing in that game and considering the start that Mayo got, we were lucky to come out on top against a depleted Galway team.

The future will be interesting. Galway looked to have the indian sign on us recently, but we seem to have uncovered some gems like Ruane, Coen, Carr and McDonagh since this time last year.

As I said earlier, Galway have some awesome young talent too and when you have a more progressive manager, there will be better days ahead. I'd say that we're going to have some big battles in store.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 06, 2019, 10:11:07 PM
Disappointing. Can’t really face analyzing that yet.
We have a lot of improving to do for next year that is for sure.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 06, 2019, 10:21:34 PM
Parking in na piarsaigh is a mess
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: red hander on July 06, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
Think this Mayo team is treading water at this stage. Nearly beaten by an average Armagh team at home and made heavy work of an average Galway team. Before Mayo people start attacking, I'd love Mayo to win Sam, but can't see it

Yeah, tell us something we don't know! Dads Army can't go on forever! Feck me they did their best against a Doped Dublin for nearly a decade. You can only go to the well so many time. But feck me they are a stubborn bunch!
They certainly are a stubborn bunch. Would love to see them do it, really would, and I think most of Ireland would do too
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: highorlow on July 06, 2019, 10:24:32 PM
Hope Paddy Durkin is ok, looked like he did his hammer?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: rrhf on July 06, 2019, 10:26:55 PM
The team to stop the 5 in a row are through...
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Hound on July 06, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
For a long time now, Mayo know exactly how to play McQuillan. Have him off to a tee.

Wouldn’t give a whole lot of credit to Galway for the supposed comeback. Mayo were 6 or 7 points up for practically the whole game. Very comfortable, and would most likely have kicked on again had Galway got the goal earlier.

Not altogether convincing by Mayo of course, but I think their experience will see them over the line v Kerry, after a man of the match performance by the full forward to get them into a winning position
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 10:27:46 PM
Think this Mayo team is treading water at this stage. Nearly beaten by an average Armagh team at home and made heavy work of an average Galway team. Before Mayo people start attacking, I'd love Mayo to win Sam, but can't see it

Yeah, tell us something we don't know! Dads Army can't go on forever! Feck me they did their best against a Doped Dublin for nearly a decade. You can only go to the well so many time. But feck me they are a stubborn bunch!
They certainly are a stubborn bunch. Would love to see them do it, really would, and I think most of Ireland would do too

They won't! But you have to love the annual effort!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 06, 2019, 10:36:23 PM
Fair play to Mayo wouldnt be at all surprised if they beat Kerry next weekend. Galway to their credit never gave up unlike Cavan
Losing to Mayo is one thing but Rossie plámás is beyond the pale

I thought that Galway showed a lot more today than against the Rossies even though they got hit by two early sucker punches. Take them away and there's nothing in that game and considering the start that Mayo got, we were lucky to come out on top against a depleted Galway team.

The future will be interesting. Galway looked to have the indian sign on us recently, but we seem to have uncovered some gems like Ruane, Coen, Carr and McDonagh since this time last year.

As I said earlier, Galway have some awesome young talent too and when you have a more progressive manager, there will be better days ahead. I'd say that we're going to have some big battles in store.


I don't they did they. Galway had a good 1st half in the Connacht final and led by 5 points. Today they lost that match in the 1st half and could arguably say the first 10 minutes.  Apart from some good points by Cooke Galway were very poor in the first 35 minutes.

When 8 points down 2nd half they had 15 minute purple patch but Mayo kept them at arms length and but for a late goal from a free Mayo would have won that game by 6 points which would be fair reflection to how the contest went.

That defeat will likely mark the end of Kevin Walsh, from the team he chose to start to subs brought on was on the signs of a desperate man.

His first year ended in a round 4 defeat so its started as it has finished for him.  In between he has led them back to back Div 1 after 7 years away,won a few Connacht titles (Galway had a 8 year wait for one of them) and his peak was last year with leading Galway to the NFL final and All Ireland semi final big progress from the Galway side that were getting knocked out of the championship by Antrim and Wexford before he arrived.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: sid waddell on July 06, 2019, 10:36:55 PM
I loved that game. It was gripping, had some great football, and was full of pure shithousery of the kind people claim to hate but in reality absolutely love. It was like watching peak late 80s Meath in action. The bitterness and the needle were a joy to behold.

It's not hip to say this sort of thing nowadays, but before the throw in, Aidan O'Shea and Donal Vaughan bullied the Galway midfielders, they asserted their physical dominance over them, and Mayo's performance flowed from that.

Mayo's dominance for most of the match was cornerstoned by that fearsome physical aggression, and they put the wind right up Galway.

It's no coincidence that Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor both broke bones in training. It's obvious Mayo have been training like they played tonight, they're prepared to knock lumps out of anyone and everyone, and more power to them for it, that's what championship football is all about.

Shine on you crazy green and red diamonds.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 06, 2019, 10:51:52 PM
Well done to Mayo, better team this evening and fully deserved the win.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 06, 2019, 10:55:50 PM
I loved that game. It was gripping, had some great football, and was full of pure shithousery of the kind people claim to hate but in reality absolutely love. It was like watching peak late 80s Meath in action. The bitterness and the needle were a joy to behold.

It's not hip to say this sort of thing nowadays, but before the throw in, Aidan O'Shea and Donal Vaughan bullied the Galway midfielders, they asserted their physical dominance over them, and Mayo's performance flowed from that.

Cillian McDaid is not a midfielder to be fair to him but with injuries ended up there. And Peter Cooke was the other fella in there and he kicked 0-4 from play in the first half so if he was physically shook he hid it well.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: yellowcard on July 06, 2019, 11:10:28 PM
I loved that game. It was gripping, had some great football, and was full of pure shithousery of the kind people claim to hate but in reality absolutely love. It was like watching peak late 80s Meath in action. The bitterness and the needle were a joy to behold.

It's not hip to say this sort of thing nowadays, but before the throw in, Aidan O'Shea and Donal Vaughan bullied the Galway midfielders, they asserted their physical dominance over them, and Mayo's performance flowed from that.

Mayo's dominance for most of the match was cornerstoned by that fearsome physical aggression, and they put the wind right up Galway.

It's no coincidence that Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor both broke bones in training. It's obvious Mayo have been training like they played tonight, they're prepared to knock lumps out of anyone and everyone, and more power to them for it, that's what championship football is all about.

Shine on you crazy green and red diamonds.

Thought Galway midfield played well, fine margins if Galway had scored the penalty and a few easy free kicks the narrative would be completely different.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: giveballaghback on July 06, 2019, 11:19:42 PM
Im sick to the teeth of reading that Shane Walsh is a quality footballer, he may have some ball skills all right but when the chips are down he a choker and at best a show pony.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 11:21:40 PM
Big Mick was there!


Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 06, 2019, 11:26:06 PM
Im sick to the teeth of reading that Shane Walsh is a quality footballer, he may have some ball skills all right but when the chips are down he a choker and at best a show pony.
Didn’t play well today for sure.
Were the chips not down in Hyde Park last year when he dragged us to a Connacht title nearly on his own at times?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: chrissears on July 06, 2019, 11:53:47 PM
Im sick to the teeth of reading that Shane Walsh is a quality footballer, he may have some ball skills all right but when the chips are down he a choker and at best a show pony.
That's a bit harsh I thought he did well but I did not understand Galway tactics, it seemed to be pull, drag, trip any mayo player. When you did start to play football in second half you did well.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 06, 2019, 11:56:31 PM
Im sick to the teeth of reading that Shane Walsh is a quality footballer, he may have some ball skills all right but when the chips are down he a choker and at best a show pony.
That's a bit harsh I thought he did well but I did not understand Galway tactics, it seemed to be pull, drag, trip any mayo player. When you did start to play football in second half you did well.

Ah, that's the GAA. You can throw anything at the losing player.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2019, 12:06:15 AM
Best team won.
Can anyone stop the Superhus?
I expect that's the end of Kevin Walsh as a County manager.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 07, 2019, 12:22:38 AM
Best team won.
Can anyone stop the Superhus?
I expect that's the end of Kevin Walsh as a County manager.
The end of the line for Kevin as Galway manager anyway definitely.
It has gone pear shaped this year but overall he has done a very good job with us given the situation he inherited.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Rossfan on July 07, 2019, 12:28:02 AM
True enough.
Losing to the likes of Antrim and no Connacht Title from 2008? to 2016.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 12:45:40 AM
Some of things that happened to Galway in the five years before Kevin Walsh arrived

No Connacht title only reached one final
2014 Galway avoided relegation to Div 3 on a head to head result
Got knocked out of Connacht twice (2010,2012) by Sligo
Shipped a 17 point beating to Mayo in 2013

In the All Ireland series  2010 knocked out by Wexford at home 2011 v Meath in Navan, 2012 v Antrim, 2013 v Cork and 2014 v Donegal.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 07, 2019, 01:01:13 AM
Great win! Was honestly hoping for a result more so than expecting it. Thought our full back and full forward lines were excellent.

Harrison especially so after a couple of poor games. Durcan did well on Walsh, hopefully his hamstring is okay but probably out for next weekend. Some great interplay and scores from the 3 up front. Stephen Coen and Donie Vaughan were excellent around the middle third too.

AO'S did some good work but he let Cooke do what he pleased in the 1st half. Galway didn't look like doing anything at the time only for him. Treacy had a nightmare few minutes  when he came on. Got turned over in the lead up to the penalty and the next point after that. Evan Regan took on a stupid shot as well.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Main Street on July 07, 2019, 01:04:52 AM
It's a mystery how there were only 3 points in it at the end, Mayo had Galway on a string.
But I'll look forward to watching Galway play with new management.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 07, 2019, 03:23:15 AM
Best team won.
Can anyone stop the Superhus?
I expect that's the end of Kevin Walsh as a County manager.
Changing manager did the Rossies no harm this year

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: joemamas on July 07, 2019, 03:40:45 AM
I loved that game. It was gripping, had some great football, and was full of pure shithousery of the kind people claim to hate but in reality absolutely love. It was like watching peak late 80s Meath in action. The bitterness and the needle were a joy to behold.

It's not hip to say this sort of thing nowadays, but before the throw in, Aidan O'Shea and Donal Vaughan bullied the Galway midfielders, they asserted their physical dominance over them, and Mayo's performance flowed from that.

Mayo's dominance for most of the match was cornerstoned by that fearsome physical aggression, and they put the wind right up Galway.

It's no coincidence that Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor both broke bones in training. It's obvious Mayo have been training like they played tonight, they're prepared to knock lumps out of anyone and everyone, and more power to them for it, that's what championship football is all about.

Shine on you crazy green and red diamonds.

Thank you
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: kopite on July 07, 2019, 05:17:59 AM
Im sick to the teeth of reading that Shane Walsh is a quality footballer, he may have some ball skills all right but when the chips are down he a choker and at best a show pony.
Didn’t play well today for sure.
Were the chips not down in Hyde Park last year when he dragged us to a Connacht title nearly on his own at times?
Because mcstay had a forward playing centre back and decided there was no need to go man to man on Walsh...still think he’s a quality player though
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2019, 08:49:38 AM
I loved that game. It was gripping, had some great football, and was full of pure shithousery of the kind people claim to hate but in reality absolutely love. It was like watching peak late 80s Meath in action. The bitterness and the needle were a joy to behold.

It's not hip to say this sort of thing nowadays, but before the throw in, Aidan O'Shea and Donal Vaughan bullied the Galway midfielders, they asserted their physical dominance over them, and Mayo's performance flowed from that.

Mayo's dominance for most of the match was cornerstoned by that fearsome physical aggression, and they put the wind right up Galway.

It's no coincidence that Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor both broke bones in training. It's obvious Mayo have been training like they played tonight, they're prepared to knock lumps out of anyone and everyone, and more power to them for it, that's what championship football is all about.

Shine on you crazy green and red diamonds.

Kind words sid. You're right. It's kill or be killed in championship football.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: APM on July 07, 2019, 10:16:20 AM
I loved that game. It was gripping, had some great football, and was full of pure shithousery of the kind people claim to hate but in reality absolutely love. It was like watching peak late 80s Meath in action. The bitterness and the needle were a joy to behold.

It's not hip to say this sort of thing nowadays, but before the throw in, Aidan O'Shea and Donal Vaughan bullied the Galway midfielders, they asserted their physical dominance over them, and Mayo's performance flowed from that.

Mayo's dominance for most of the match was cornerstoned by that fearsome physical aggression, and they put the wind right up Galway.

It's no coincidence that Matthew Ruane and Diarmuid O'Connor both broke bones in training. It's obvious Mayo have been training like they played tonight, they're prepared to knock lumps out of anyone and everyone, and more power to them for it, that's what championship football is all about.

Shine on you crazy green and red diamonds.

Kind words sid. You're right. It's kill or be killed in championship football.

Spot on! Proper championship football!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 07, 2019, 04:05:20 PM
That's that for another year, well done Mayo, best of luck going forward. Galway took too long to get going yesterday, Mayo had 2 goals scored by the time Galway realised they were in a battle. Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway. John Daly, Peter Cooke and Cillian McDaid to a lesser extent were our best on they day. In fairness to Kevin Walsh and his management team they've brought us out of the doldrums, made us competitive and again and a solid Division 1 side but his time is definitely up this year, even the defensive system he draws so much criticism about didn't work this year, our forward play is abysmal and those lads don't seem to be enjoying their football. Time for a change, hopefully someone who can get the most of these players before it's too late.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: moysider on July 07, 2019, 05:21:11 PM
That's that for another year, well done Mayo, best of luck going forward. Galway took too long to get going yesterday, Mayo had 2 goals scored by the time Galway realised they were in a battle. Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway. John Daly, Peter Cooke and Cillian McDaid to a lesser extent were our best on they day. In fairness to Kevin Walsh and his management team they've brought us out of the doldrums, made us competitive and again and a solid Division 1 side but his time is definitely up this year, even the defensive system he draws so much criticism about didn't work this year, our forward play is abysmal and those lads don't seem to be enjoying their football. Time for a change, hopefully someone who can get the most of these players before it's too late.

Stephen Rochford would leap at it imo.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 07, 2019, 06:26:31 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2019/0706/1060588-galway-manager-walsh-not-listening-to-any-crap/
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 07, 2019, 06:44:38 PM
That's that for another year, well done Mayo, best of luck going forward. Galway took too long to get going yesterday, Mayo had 2 goals scored by the time Galway realised they were in a battle. Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway. John Daly, Peter Cooke and Cillian McDaid to a lesser extent were our best on they day. In fairness to Kevin Walsh and his management team they've brought us out of the doldrums, made us competitive and again and a solid Division 1 side but his time is definitely up this year, even the defensive system he draws so much criticism about didn't work this year, our forward play is abysmal and those lads don't seem to be enjoying their football. Time for a change, hopefully someone who can get the most of these players before it's too late.
Maybe I need to watch the game again (I was in a corner of the stand so you miss a lot of stuff at that angle) but to me Kyne was by a mile our best fb line player on the day.
You can’t play consistently badly and keep getting selected - so I wouldn’t at all blame Walsh for dropping Sean Andy. Let’s be honest he has been extremely poor all season.
Dropping him wasnt the cause of Kerin and Silke having nightmare games.
Liam Silke needs a break now imo.
Also I thought McDaid was extremely poor yesterday but again I need to watch it again on tv - maybe I’m being unfair.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 07, 2019, 06:47:12 PM
That's that for another year, well done Mayo, best of luck going forward. Galway took too long to get going yesterday, Mayo had 2 goals scored by the time Galway realised they were in a battle. Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway. John Daly, Peter Cooke and Cillian McDaid to a lesser extent were our best on they day. In fairness to Kevin Walsh and his management team they've brought us out of the doldrums, made us competitive and again and a solid Division 1 side but his time is definitely up this year, even the defensive system he draws so much criticism about didn't work this year, our forward play is abysmal and those lads don't seem to be enjoying their football. Time for a change, hopefully someone who can get the most of these players before it's too late.

Stephen Rochford would leap at it imo.

Possibly. I’m sure his ambitions are to be the top dog again somewhere.

PJ has said he’s not interested yet because of his work. Whether true or not I don’t know. Besides he’s barely started with the U20’s.

Divilly maybe but he’s with PJ at the moment.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 07, 2019, 06:47:56 PM
That's that for another year, well done Mayo, best of luck going forward. Galway took too long to get going yesterday, Mayo had 2 goals scored by the time Galway realised they were in a battle. Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway. John Daly, Peter Cooke and Cillian McDaid to a lesser extent were our best on they day. In fairness to Kevin Walsh and his management team they've brought us out of the doldrums, made us competitive and again and a solid Division 1 side but his time is definitely up this year, even the defensive system he draws so much criticism about didn't work this year, our forward play is abysmal and those lads don't seem to be enjoying their football. Time for a change, hopefully someone who can get the most of these players before it's too late.

Stephen Rochford would leap at it imo.
Will certainly be in the mix when Walsh departs, knows the Galway scene very well from his time with Corofin and would like to see someone like Dave Morris with him also. 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 07, 2019, 06:50:51 PM
That's that for another year, well done Mayo, best of luck going forward. Galway took too long to get going yesterday, Mayo had 2 goals scored by the time Galway realised they were in a battle. Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway. John Daly, Peter Cooke and Cillian McDaid to a lesser extent were our best on they day. In fairness to Kevin Walsh and his management team they've brought us out of the doldrums, made us competitive and again and a solid Division 1 side but his time is definitely up this year, even the defensive system he draws so much criticism about didn't work this year, our forward play is abysmal and those lads don't seem to be enjoying their football. Time for a change, hopefully someone who can get the most of these players before it's too late.

Stephen Rochford would leap at it imo.

Possibly. I’m sure his ambitions are to be the top dog again somewhere.

PJ has said he’s not interested yet because of his work. Whether true or not I don’t know. Besides he’s barely started with the U20’s.

Divilly maybe but he’s with PJ at the moment.
I would prefer to see Padraic and JD stay with the U20s for 2 - 3 years and see how they progress at that level and give them the opportunity to prep lads for senior and then step up if that is where their ambitions ultimately lie.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 07, 2019, 08:36:01 PM
Well done to Mayo,  the better team won, they will wonder though how they didn't win by more. The changes introduced this year giving the provincial champions home advantage will make their journey all the more difficult. This will be weekend number four for them against Kerry, with only one of those matches at home. It seems we're asking an awful lot of amateur players.

Shame on the GAA for not fixing the match for the hyde, you can be sure that match would of meant a lot more to Roscomon town than it did for Limerick, the GAA needs to be supporting rural  ireland.

The Mayo forwards really seemed to click, getting nice scores from out the pitch. Cillian did well, hard to see how he couldn't of started last weekend.

In relation to Galway, 2019 has been a step backwards, since the london match it was plain to see that too many of the players were out of form.

I thought Cooke and Kyne were the better players for Galway yesterday.

It must be difficult though for the Galway players incessantly hearing that your manager has got it wrong, it must get to you.

In relation to Kevins point about the "crap" I do think he has a point, on facebook there was a lot of keyboard warriors calling for all the corofin players to start, but in fairness he's the one watching them train every week. The Corofin lads will be the first to tell you that inter county is a totally different level to club. There was some person on newstalk commenting that Galways underage system has fallen behind today, that jarlaths was no longer the force it was, but come on we lost this years connaught minor final in extra time, and we won the previous four titles, contesting two all-ireland finals.

I do think its time for Kevin to go, I think after five years a change is needed. As a county we need to get to the bottom of the "fade outs" that Galway have suffered over the past few years, either the players aren't willing to die for Kevin, or there is a distinct lack of leaders on the team.  Kevin was unlucky with corofin going on such a run, he rarely had matches to test teh corofin players out in. The Galway medical team will also need to reflect on their performance. Comer should of been back weeks ago.

Rochford in my opinion is the only option, PJ just doesn't have the managerial experience, we have a set of players coming into their prime and now isn't the time for experimenting with an untested manager.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 07, 2019, 08:44:44 PM
Galway could be very strong contenders next year under Rochford imo.
This year seems poised for an end of an era showdown between the biggest rivals of the decade, Mayo and Dublin, with a new champion stepping forward next year - which could very well be Galway I’d they play their cards right.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 07, 2019, 08:50:34 PM
That's that for another year, well done Mayo, best of luck going forward. Galway took too long to get going yesterday, Mayo had 2 goals scored by the time Galway realised they were in a battle. Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway. John Daly, Peter Cooke and Cillian McDaid to a lesser extent were our best on they day. In fairness to Kevin Walsh and his management team they've brought us out of the doldrums, made us competitive and again and a solid Division 1 side but his time is definitely up this year, even the defensive system he draws so much criticism about didn't work this year, our forward play is abysmal and those lads don't seem to be enjoying their football. Time for a change, hopefully someone who can get the most of these players before it's too late.
Maybe I need to watch the game again (I was in a corner of the stand so you miss a lot of stuff at that angle) but to me Kyne was by a mile our best fb line player on the day.
You can’t play consistently badly and keep getting selected - so I wouldn’t at all blame Walsh for dropping Sean Andy. Let’s be honest he has been extremely poor all season.
Dropping him wasnt the cause of Kerin and Silke having nightmare games.
Liam Silke needs a break now imo.
Also I thought McDaid was extremely poor yesterday but again I need to watch it again on tv - maybe I’m being unfair.

When Sean Andy came on Kyne seems to take up a sort of sweeper role, he was moved out anyway, he made some vital interceptions to be fair to him but it wasn't fair to throw him in at full back after 6 months with no football I thought. McDaid was good in fits and starts, when he gets an injury free run at it he'll be a mainstay on the team hopefully. He wasn't consistent enough yesterday but you'd forgive him for that game fen his injury lay off and lack of experience. There's rumours around these parts about Rochford and Dave Morris being interested, I think they be able to get the best out of this bunch.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 07, 2019, 09:13:43 PM
2019 can safely be consigned to the dustbin of history, a disastrous year all round for Galway GAA.  As for Mayo they fully deserved to win, better team for the good majority of the match, the Mayo team were fit for a fight last night, they’ll fancy themselves in Kerry next week.
What to say about Galway? I’ve said on here all year that the final assessment of Galway - the system, the players and the management can only be made when the year is over. We’re at that point now. I’ll preface my comments by saying that the level of commitment and application by all players and management over the whole season has to be acknowledged and admired. Inter county is a phenomenal commitment, they are doing something they love but by the same token it is not something that you can half ass nowadays, it’s easy for punters to watch a match and make judgements, far more difficult to be born with the ability to play it and then actually put in all the hard work to realise that, anyone who has the talent, motivation and drive to play inter county has to be respected and absolutely no one involved goes out to play badly. That said we can only discuss what we see between the lines for the 75ish minutes because it’s the results from these encounters that is the ultimate judgement.

Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway.

Hold up here, can we judge players on what actually happens on the pitch and not preconceptions and notions? Declan Kyne has taken some amount of criticism during his time in the Galway jersey, maybe because there’s no underage pedigree there, his perceived limitations and the fact that he’s only from a small Junior club (West board as well which of course which is another negative for some) but compared to the rest of the illustrious panellists from the top clubs in the county he was one of about three Galway men that played anything worth a damn last night. Upset the whole FB line? How? Liam Silke was cleaned out in his last two championship matches regardless of who was playing with him. Kerin was a disaster yesterday, needlessly fouling O’Connor right on the end line for a gimme free when there was no danger, he couldn’t tackle, a fouling machine who had to be taken off early before he was sent off. Declan took some licks but I thought he was outstanding and the consensus around me was the same. Turnover after turnover last night in the face of relentless pressure due to failures further out the pitch, the ability to actually execute a successful tackle (Kerin and SAOC should take note), fair shoulders on multiple Mayo players, tough and uncompromising, actual leadership in the face of adversity when plenty of the more heralded players were nowhere to be seen. If we had more of what Kyne brought to that match last night from the bigger names Galway wouldn’t be sifting through the detritus of a completely wasted 2019 championship season today.

Silke would have been one of the players that we would have all expected to be a huge addition to Galway for 2019 but his form in the big championship matches was very disappointing, played badly against the Rossies and he was completely cleaned out against Mayo. He is the designated penalty taker and is surely that person for a good reason so I’ve no issue with him stepping up to it but the tame effort really summed up his travails in Limerick. It was the key moment during the only good period Galway had in the match. The second Mayo goal was absolutely crazy to concede, no other top team would allow it to happen, Silke should have took the hit for the team and just fouled out the pitch. Kerin, who I have a lot of time for as you need players like that to win anything, looks like he’s forgotten how to stand up a player and tackle, we’ve seen him do it before but he is just stupidly fouling at the moment.

I don’t know where to begin on the goalkeeping situation, needless to say it clearly didn’t work out. Is calamitous too strong a word?
John Daly was the youngest player on the Galway side last night but he showed far more fight and appetite for the battle than most of his teammates, a player to build around moving forward. His brother Michael flattered to deceive yet again, plenty of talent but he is in and out of matches all the time. Heaney has been below par this year, he’s an underrated player but all the good qualities that he usually brings have been absent lately, some of his passing against Mayo was just not up to it. O'Donnell provided at least some semblance of leadership last night but his best days in the jersey are behind him, his effort, professionalism and commitment can't be faulted but other options have to be looked at.
McDaid has serious potential but I didn’t think he played that well last night despite what others have said. Cooke fantastic in the first half with a serious display of point taking but either he ran out of steam or whatever changes Mayo made certainly nullified his influence in the second half. One of the few to stand up though, another player that we should be looking to build around and try to get him playing well regularly in the county jersey.

I didn’t see it myself but if the allegations I read elsewhere that Farragher was jawing at his manager on his way off the pitch are accurate then it’s an extremely poor look. I would have been an advocate for him starting as changes had to be made up front in the FF line and his club form over a significant period of time would warrant a shot at the 14 jersey but he didn’t play worth a f**k yesterday evening, arguing with the management while (rightly) getting substituted, is frankly a disgrace to the Galway jersey. If that story is nonsense then apologies to Martin Farragher for putting it up here, please disregard that paragraph, however if it’s correct then take it as read.
You’d have to say that it was Ian Burke that should have been dropped from the starting lineup instead of Ó Laoi, Burke has been rubbish for Galway all championship, that’s the long and the short of it. Shane Walsh well held for most of the match by Durcan, the two missed frees were criminal, have to put those away at this level. Comer coming on was a desperation move, clearly miles off the pace just coming back from his bad injury, the less said the better about his bicycle kick attempt.

Logically I cannot see how Kevin Walsh can continue but if it’s left up to himself I wouldn’t be surprised to see him try to tough it out and stay on for 2020, whether that is the best thing for Galway football is another matter. I think he deserves kudos for a number of things, he brought a Galway setup going nowhere back to Division One and the last four of the championship. He scoured the county for players that might be able to go a job and brought in a seriousness in terms of preparation that wasn’t there previously. Things have gone backwards this year, there’s a number of issues outside of KW’s control that have contributed to this but ultimately the championship performances have been awful and it looks like the end of the road. The defensive system and coverage and tackling has gone backwards. We looked like we abandoned a system that has been proven to give Mayo difficulties, there is no coherence in the attack. He can point to the key injuries last night and all year but you can’t talk about panel development and the depth of talent in the same breath. I was looking at the team line-ups for the whole year this morning and Duggan going off at half time in Tyrone might have had a bigger impact than we previously thought, we haven't looked right since. He has toughness and a bit of dog in him that is hard to replace when going up against ruthlessly cynical (i.e. winning) teams like Mayo, Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone. Leaders like Paul Conroy were sorely missed all year and it really showed last night. Regardless of the criticism that Galway took last year we were generally hard to beat, Tally certainly appears to be a massive loss to the setup this year and whatever Stritch was doing it clearly did not translate effectively to actual match situations.

The fans are tearing strips off Kevin Walsh and the team at the minute so it’s only fair that the mirror should be turned back to the stands for a self-assessment. Outside of the hard-core regulars the Galway support is truly pathetic, hopelessly outnumbered yet again in a huge match. "Salthill is too much hassle", fine, there is a clear motorway the whole way from Tuam to Limerick, it’s far easier to get out of than Salthill (for those that weren’t parked in the Na Pairsiagh grounds at least), didn’t make any difference last night. There were more Kerry fans than ourselves at the Tuam league match so the "style of play" is the excuse there. Don’t like the style of play, "too many West board players", excuses, excuses. Supporters have nothing to do but show up and give the team a bit of encouragement, the comparison to the footballing support in Roscommon and Mayo is an embarrassment. There’s a chance that the management will change now, will the fans therefore return in droves given that the style of play might suit their tastes a bit more now? I won’t hold my breath. It’s no coincidence that Galway didn’t get a thing in the first half from McQullian, it was better than a home advantage for Mayo in Limerick last night, their support was raucous and the likes of McQuillan and Deegan are only too happy to blow the whistle and point their hand to suit the majority of the crowd regardless of what should actually be called.

Given the relentless negativity of this post in general I may as well finish up by pointing out that you’d have to say that the Galway Mayo rivalry both on and off the pitch has turned absolutely toxic in comparison to even as recently as the noughties, there’s spite and genuine dislike there now. Some gloating in the stands on the way-out last night and I’ve no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot it’d have been every bit as bad from some of the Galway support. Given my own connections I’ve been in CP cheering Mayo on in All Ireland finals previously, but I couldn’t see myself doing it now in any circumstances. Perhaps it’s just a reflection of the stakes involved in terms of top level inter county that it’s taken so seriously. The excellent “Will Galway Beat Mayo?” by James Laffey is truly a snapshot of a more innocent time in terms of how the rivalry played out that won’t be seen again.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Tubberman on July 07, 2019, 09:15:25 PM
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There was some person on newstalk commenting that Galways underage system has fallen behind today, that jarlaths was no longer the force it was, but come on we lost this years connaught minor final in extra time, and we won the previous four titles, contesting two all-ireland finals.
Maire Treasa Ní Ceallaigh - an absolute bluffer who is getting more airtime solely down to trying to balance the genders of contributors on Newstalk IMHO. 
She has a real bitterness against Mayo too, so I'm sure she's sick about it today 😁
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 07, 2019, 09:54:50 PM


Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway.

Hold up here, can we judge players on what actually happens on the pitch and not preconceptions and notions? Declan Kyne has taken some amount of criticism during his time in the Galway jersey, maybe because there’s no underage pedigree there, his perceived limitations and the fact that he’s only from a small Junior club (West board as well which of course which is another negative for some) but compared to the rest of the illustrious panellists from the top clubs in the county he was one of about three Galway men that played anything worth a damn last night. Upset the whole FB line? How? Liam Silke was cleaned out in his last two championship matches regardless of who was playing with him. Kerin was a disaster yesterday, needlessly fouling O’Connor right on the end line for a gimme free when there was no danger, he couldn’t tackle, a fouling machine who had to be taken off early before he was sent off. Declan took some licks but I thought he was outstanding and the consensus around me was the same. Turnover after turnover last night in the face of relentless pressure due to failures further out the pitch, the ability to actually execute a successful tackle (Kerin and SAOC should take note), fair shoulders on multiple Mayo players, tough and uncompromising, actual leadership in the face of adversity when plenty of the more heralded players were nowhere to be seen. If we had more of what Kyne brought to that match last night from the bigger names Galway wouldn’t be sifting through the detritus of a completely wasted 2019 championship season today.

Jesus you're in wicked bad form! Starting him at no 3 was nuts and I stand by that statement, not fair to him after being out for so long to expect him to take up such a central role, when he was moved out of there he played better and was one of the ones that tried hardest, maybe I should have clarified that a bit, still don't think he's a full back though, I do think he'd make a very effective centre back however. I know he's your club man and you'll defend him to the end but I think you're over reacting a little bit. I also never heard anyone questioning his background or anything like that, he's put in some good shifts for Galway hopefully will do again next year.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 07, 2019, 10:03:15 PM
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There was some person on newstalk commenting that Galways underage system has fallen behind today, that jarlaths was no longer the force it was, but come on we lost this years connaught minor final in extra time, and we won the previous four titles, contesting two all-ireland finals.
Maire Treasa Ní Ceallaigh - an absolute bluffer who is getting more airtime solely down to trying to balance the genders of contributors on Newstalk IMHO. 
She has a real bitterness against Mayo too, so I'm sure she's sick about it today 😁
Talking through her hole. Galway underage teams don’t rely on Jarlaths anymore that’s about it.
We have been consistently competitive at minor level for a long while - where she gets that idea is beyond me!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 07, 2019, 10:31:11 PM
2019 can safely be consigned to the dustbin of history, a disastrous year all round for Galway GAA.  As for Mayo they fully deserved to win, better team for the good majority of the match, the Mayo team were fit for a fight last night, they’ll fancy themselves in Kerry next week.
What to say about Galway? I’ve said on here all year that the final assessment of Galway - the system, the players and the management can only be made when the year is over. We’re at that point now. I’ll preface my comments by saying that the level of commitment and application by all players and management over the whole season has to be acknowledged and admired. Inter county is a phenomenal commitment, they are doing something they love but by the same token it is not something that you can half ass nowadays, it’s easy for punters to watch a match and make judgements, far more difficult to be born with the ability to play it and then actually put in all the hard work to realise that, anyone who has the talent, motivation and drive to play inter county has to be respected and absolutely no one involved goes out to play badly. That said we can only discuss what we see between the lines for the 75ish minutes because it’s the results from these encounters that is the ultimate judgement.

Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway.

Hold up here, can we judge players on what actually happens on the pitch and not preconceptions and notions? Declan Kyne has taken some amount of criticism during his time in the Galway jersey, maybe because there’s no underage pedigree there, his perceived limitations and the fact that he’s only from a small Junior club (West board as well which of course which is another negative for some) but compared to the rest of the illustrious panellists from the top clubs in the county he was one of about three Galway men that played anything worth a damn last night. Upset the whole FB line? How? Liam Silke was cleaned out in his last two championship matches regardless of who was playing with him. Kerin was a disaster yesterday, needlessly fouling O’Connor right on the end line for a gimme free when there was no danger, he couldn’t tackle, a fouling machine who had to be taken off early before he was sent off. Declan took some licks but I thought he was outstanding and the consensus around me was the same. Turnover after turnover last night in the face of relentless pressure due to failures further out the pitch, the ability to actually execute a successful tackle (Kerin and SAOC should take note), fair shoulders on multiple Mayo players, tough and uncompromising, actual leadership in the face of adversity when plenty of the more heralded players were nowhere to be seen. If we had more of what Kyne brought to that match last night from the bigger names Galway wouldn’t be sifting through the detritus of a completely wasted 2019 championship season today.

Silke would have been one of the players that we would have all expected to be a huge addition to Galway for 2019 but his form in the big championship matches was very disappointing, played badly against the Rossies and he was completely cleaned out against Mayo. He is the designated penalty taker and is surely that person for a good reason so I’ve no issue with him stepping up to it but the tame effort really summed up his travails in Limerick. It was the key moment during the only good period Galway had in the match. The second Mayo goal was absolutely crazy to concede, no other top team would allow it to happen, Silke should have took the hit for the team and just fouled out the pitch. Kerin, who I have a lot of time for as you need players like that to win anything, looks like he’s forgotten how to stand up a player and tackle, we’ve seen him do it before but he is just stupidly fouling at the moment.

I don’t know where to begin on the goalkeeping situation, needless to say it clearly didn’t work out. Is calamitous too strong a word?
John Daly was the youngest player on the Galway side last night but he showed far more fight and appetite for the battle than most of his teammates, a player to build around moving forward. His brother Michael flattered to deceive yet again, plenty of talent but he is in and out of matches all the time. Heaney has been below par this year, he’s an underrated player but all the good qualities that he usually brings have been absent lately, some of his passing against Mayo was just not up to it. O'Donnell provided at least some semblance of leadership last night but his best days in the jersey are behind him, his effort, professionalism and commitment can't be faulted but other options have to be looked at.
McDaid has serious potential but I didn’t think he played that well last night despite what others have said. Cooke fantastic in the first half with a serious display of point taking but either he ran out of steam or whatever changes Mayo made certainly nullified his influence in the second half. One of the few to stand up though, another player that we should be looking to build around and try to get him playing well regularly in the county jersey.

I didn’t see it myself but if the allegations I read elsewhere that Farragher was jawing at his manager on his way off the pitch are accurate then it’s an extremely poor look. I would have been an advocate for him starting as changes had to be made up front in the FF line and his club form over a significant period of time would warrant a shot at the 14 jersey but he didn’t play worth a f**k yesterday evening, arguing with the management while (rightly) getting substituted, is frankly a disgrace to the Galway jersey. If that story is nonsense then apologies to Martin Farragher for putting it up here, please disregard that paragraph, however if it’s correct then take it as read.
You’d have to say that it was Ian Burke that should have been dropped from the starting lineup instead of Ó Laoi, Burke has been rubbish for Galway all championship, that’s the long and the short of it. Shane Walsh well held for most of the match by Durcan, the two missed frees were criminal, have to put those away at this level. Comer coming on was a desperation move, clearly miles off the pace just coming back from his bad injury, the less said the better about his bicycle kick attempt.

Logically I cannot see how Kevin Walsh can continue but if it’s left up to himself I wouldn’t be surprised to see him try to tough it out and stay on for 2020, whether that is the best thing for Galway football is another matter. I think he deserves kudos for a number of things, he brought a Galway setup going nowhere back to Division One and the last four of the championship. He scoured the county for players that might be able to go a job and brought in a seriousness in terms of preparation that wasn’t there previously. Things have gone backwards this year, there’s a number of issues outside of KW’s control that have contributed to this but ultimately the championship performances have been awful and it looks like the end of the road. The defensive system and coverage and tackling has gone backwards. We looked like we abandoned a system that has been proven to give Mayo difficulties, there is no coherence in the attack. He can point to the key injuries last night and all year but you can’t talk about panel development and the depth of talent in the same breath. I was looking at the team line-ups for the whole year this morning and Duggan going off at half time in Tyrone might have had a bigger impact than we previously thought, we haven't looked right since. He has toughness and a bit of dog in him that is hard to replace when going up against ruthlessly cynical (i.e. winning) teams like Mayo, Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone. Leaders like Paul Conroy were sorely missed all year and it really showed last night. Regardless of the criticism that Galway took last year we were generally hard to beat, Tally certainly appears to be a massive loss to the setup this year and whatever Stritch was doing it clearly did not translate effectively to actual match situations.

The fans are tearing strips off Kevin Walsh and the team at the minute so it’s only fair that the mirror should be turned back to the stands for a self-assessment. Outside of the hard-core regulars the Galway support is truly pathetic, hopelessly outnumbered yet again in a huge match. "Salthill is too much hassle", fine, there is a clear motorway the whole way from Tuam to Limerick, it’s far easier to get out of than Salthill (for those that weren’t parked in the Na Pairsiagh grounds at least), didn’t make any difference last night. There were more Kerry fans than ourselves at the Tuam league match so the "style of play" is the excuse there. Don’t like the style of play, "too many West board players", excuses, excuses. Supporters have nothing to do but show up and give the team a bit of encouragement, the comparison to the footballing support in Roscommon and Mayo is an embarrassment. There’s a chance that the management will change now, will the fans therefore return in droves given that the style of play might suit their tastes a bit more now? I won’t hold my breath. It’s no coincidence that Galway didn’t get a thing in the first half from McQullian, it was better than a home advantage for Mayo in Limerick last night, their support was raucous and the likes of McQuillan and Deegan are only too happy to blow the whistle and point their hand to suit the majority of the crowd regardless of what should actually be called.

Given the relentless negativity of this post in general I may as well finish up by pointing out that you’d have to say that the Galway Mayo rivalry both on and off the pitch has turned absolutely toxic in comparison to even as recently as the noughties, there’s spite and genuine dislike there now. Some gloating in the stands on the way-out last night and I’ve no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot it’d have been every bit as bad from some of the Galway support. Given my own connections I’ve been in CP cheering Mayo on in All Ireland finals previously, but I couldn’t see myself doing it now in any circumstances. Perhaps it’s just a reflection of the stakes involved in terms of top level inter county that it’s taken so seriously. The excellent “Will Galway Beat Mayo?” by James Laffey is truly a
snapshot of a more innocent time in terms of how the rivalry played out that won’t be seen again.
Very good post. Hard to disagree with any of it. It’s a pity we don’t have more diehards like yourself AFA in Galway football.
The excuses people make not to travel to games are beyond bullshit.
Moving games to Tuam will make no difference on that score.
I’m from North Galway, lived in the city for a long number of years and back in North Galway again now. Tuam Stadium, Pearse Stadium, Duggan Park wherever it makes no difference I’ll still turn up.

Haven’t had the stomach to watch the game back yet alas.
It’s sickening to hear some of the abuse being levelled at the team and management after any game we lose. Everyone expects criticism after a defeat but it seems to be with Galway you’re a useless bollix if the team loses and you haven’t kicked 1-5 from play!
Kevin Walsh deserves massive credit for bringing the team on - which he has undoubtedly done over the past 5 years. I do think it’s now come to the stage where they will have to make a change though going forward. But I really find it distasteful the inevitable dancing on his grave that will follow.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2019, 10:36:00 PM
That's a good honest review AFA. I enjoy reading your reviews of all Galway matches, good outcomes or bad.

As for Mayo, what can I say? Magnificent performance all round. Can't say a bad word about any player. From Clarke in goals, despite some jittery kick outs, saved our bacon yet again. Mighty penalty save and made a few typical interceptions that he's been noted for doing. While I was worried about the full back line, they put in a good collective effort to hold Galway full forward line to a low score. Boyle, what a player, a true warrior and a terrier. I must say humble pie as I thought he was past it earlier in the year. Durcan did well on Shane Walsh too. Vaughan while not exactly having a particular position(imo of course), if one gets what I mean played very well. He continually bombed back and forward as was needed. Coen and O'Shea did ok. I thought they'd win more clean ball given the Galway midfield that lined out. Coen scored a fine point in the second half. McLoughlin was playing as an extra half forward and was great, picking up breaking ball etc. Doherty played brilliant too. As for James Carr, what a goal. Brilliant, is how I can only describe it. Cillian O'Connor played well, seems back better than he was last year. Darren Coen has been a revelation.

Now for the negatives. I thought Horan disrupted the pattern of play too early. Treacy was brought on for McLoughlin and Regan I think was brought on instead of Carr. I thought they didn't have the same jizz as the two they replaced had. Galway had a good 15ish minutes on top at that stage. Give any of the next three teams 15 minutes on top and not scoring there could be trouble. The Na Piarsaigh car park exit was terrible too.

Onto Killarney. To be honest, I would have bitten anyone's arm off if you told me we would get this far with the three games in three weeks. Yet here we are. I haven't a notion how it's going to play out. Mayo have momentum in their favour, but it's Kerry who have the three week break to study Mayo. All we can do is travel and support them again.

As an aside, the gloating from the fans wasn't nice. It's pretty hypocritical of us to be gloating in people's faces when we were complaining about people gloating in ours. Hard luck to the Galway supporters here who know their stuff. They know who they are. It was still nice to win it though.  :)
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 07, 2019, 10:44:21 PM
As an aside, the gloating from the fans wasn't nice. It's pretty hypocritical of us to be gloating in people's faces when we were complaining about people gloating in ours

Disappointing to hear that mayo "fans" were at that sort of sh*te

Great to get the win although we probably should have won by more - considering Galway missed a peno and gifted us the first goal, it could have easily been a lot closer

Even if we don't make a semi, the experience of these games will do the younger lads a world of good
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Tubberman on July 07, 2019, 10:49:28 PM
Arah weren't they out in the middle of the MacHale Park pitch in 2016 singing The Fields of Athenry and lifting players onto shoulders etc. Not too many Mayo people gave them stick for that,  so a bit of gloating for a first win in 4 years is understandable,  especially given it was pure knockout.
Know we'll get a decent performance in Killarney, dont really know what to expect from Kerry. A win would set us up nicely.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 07, 2019, 10:57:41 PM
Arah weren't they out in the middle of the MacHale Park pitch in 2016 singing The Fields of Athenry and lifting players onto shoulders etc. Not too many Mayo people gave them stick for that

Sure why would they?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: moysider on July 07, 2019, 11:03:22 PM

Given the relentless negativity of this post in general I may as well finish up by pointing out that you’d have to say that the Galway Mayo rivalry both on and off the pitch has turned absolutely toxic in comparison to even as recently as the noughties, there’s spite and genuine dislike there now. Some gloating in the stands on the way-out last night and I’ve no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot it’d have been every bit as bad from some of the Galway support. Given my own connections I’ve been in CP cheering Mayo on in All Ireland finals previously, but I couldn’t see myself doing it now in any circumstances. Perhaps it’s just a reflection of the stakes involved in terms of top level inter county that it’s taken so seriously. The excellent “Will Galway Beat Mayo?” by James Laffey is truly a snapshot of a more innocent time in terms of how the rivalry played out that won’t be seen again.

Apparently the managers 'forgot' to shake hands at end of the game as well.

I've seen some gloating down the years, including Galway fans. I've seen it from Sligos and Fermanaghs.  I dont like it.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Tubberman on July 07, 2019, 11:04:31 PM
Arah weren't they out in the middle of the MacHale Park pitch in 2016 singing The Fields of Athenry and lifting players onto shoulders etc. Not too many Mayo people gave them stick for that

Sure why would they?

Exactly
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 07, 2019, 11:23:06 PM
I saw a few clowns on Twitter joking that Galway should give Kevin Walsh a 5 or 10 year contract now. The same individuals were up in arms about the billboards outside Balla. It's probably trolls on social media that sour the rivalry somewhat. They weren't around 10 or 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: whitey on July 07, 2019, 11:23:56 PM
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There was some person on newstalk commenting that Galways underage system has fallen behind today, that jarlaths was no longer the force it was, but come on we lost this years connaught minor final in extra time, and we won the previous four titles, contesting two all-ireland finals.
Maire Treasa Ní Ceallaigh - an absolute bluffer who is getting more airtime solely down to trying to balance the genders of contributors on Newstalk IMHO. 
She has a real bitterness against Mayo too, so I'm sure she's sick about it today 😁
Talking through her hole. Galway underage teams don’t rely on Jarlaths anymore that’s about it.
We have been consistently competitive at minor level for a long while - where she gets that idea is beyond me!

Jarlath’s closing down was probably the best thing that has happened to Mayo football in modern times. Mayo Secondary schools are now competing regularly on the National Stage which is nothing but positive for Mayo football
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: moysider on July 07, 2019, 11:34:29 PM
I saw a few clowns on Twitter joking that Galway should give Kevin Walsh a 5 or 10 year contract now. The same individuals were up in arms about the billboards outside Balla. It's probably trolls on social media that sour the rivalry somewhat. They weren't around 10 or 15 years ago.

I would go the other way. Coming from Mayo I would think it might suit us more if he was replaced and Galway went back to playing the type of ball their admirers want them to play. That would be easier to beat and better to watch!

Anybody that thinks that Comer, Farragher, Burke, Cummins, Walsh, etc, are being held up by current management is deluded. Top teams don't ask nice forwards to dance.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: joemamas on July 08, 2019, 12:31:24 AM
2019 can safely be consigned to the dustbin of history, a disastrous year all round for Galway GAA.  As for Mayo they fully deserved to win, better team for the good majority of the match, the Mayo team were fit for a fight last night, they’ll fancy themselves in Kerry next week.
What to say about Galway? I’ve said on here all year that the final assessment of Galway - the system, the players and the management can only be made when the year is over. We’re at that point now. I’ll preface my comments by saying that the level of commitment and application by all players and management over the whole season has to be acknowledged and admired. Inter county is a phenomenal commitment, they are doing something they love but by the same token it is not something that you can half ass nowadays, it’s easy for punters to watch a match and make judgements, far more difficult to be born with the ability to play it and then actually put in all the hard work to realise that, anyone who has the talent, motivation and drive to play inter county has to be respected and absolutely no one involved goes out to play badly. That said we can only discuss what we see between the lines for the 75ish minutes because it’s the results from these encounters that is the ultimate judgement.

Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway.

Hold up here, can we judge players on what actually happens on the pitch and not preconceptions and notions? Declan Kyne has taken some amount of criticism during his time in the Galway jersey, maybe because there’s no underage pedigree there, his perceived limitations and the fact that he’s only from a small Junior club (West board as well which of course which is another negative for some) but compared to the rest of the illustrious panellists from the top clubs in the county he was one of about three Galway men that played anything worth a damn last night. Upset the whole FB line? How? Liam Silke was cleaned out in his last two championship matches regardless of who was playing with him. Kerin was a disaster yesterday, needlessly fouling O’Connor right on the end line for a gimme free when there was no danger, he couldn’t tackle, a fouling machine who had to be taken off early before he was sent off. Declan took some licks but I thought he was outstanding and the consensus around me was the same. Turnover after turnover last night in the face of relentless pressure due to failures further out the pitch, the ability to actually execute a successful tackle (Kerin and SAOC should take note), fair shoulders on multiple Mayo players, tough and uncompromising, actual leadership in the face of adversity when plenty of the more heralded players were nowhere to be seen. If we had more of what Kyne brought to that match last night from the bigger names Galway wouldn’t be sifting through the detritus of a completely wasted 2019 championship season today.

Silke would have been one of the players that we would have all expected to be a huge addition to Galway for 2019 but his form in the big championship matches was very disappointing, played badly against the Rossies and he was completely cleaned out against Mayo. He is the designated penalty taker and is surely that person for a good reason so I’ve no issue with him stepping up to it but the tame effort really summed up his travails in Limerick. It was the key moment during the only good period Galway had in the match. The second Mayo goal was absolutely crazy to concede, no other top team would allow it to happen, Silke should have took the hit for the team and just fouled out the pitch. Kerin, who I have a lot of time for as you need players like that to win anything, looks like he’s forgotten how to stand up a player and tackle, we’ve seen him do it before but he is just stupidly fouling at the moment.

I don’t know where to begin on the goalkeeping situation, needless to say it clearly didn’t work out. Is calamitous too strong a word?
John Daly was the youngest player on the Galway side last night but he showed far more fight and appetite for the battle than most of his teammates, a player to build around moving forward. His brother Michael flattered to deceive yet again, plenty of talent but he is in and out of matches all the time. Heaney has been below par this year, he’s an underrated player but all the good qualities that he usually brings have been absent lately, some of his passing against Mayo was just not up to it. O'Donnell provided at least some semblance of leadership last night but his best days in the jersey are behind him, his effort, professionalism and commitment can't be faulted but other options have to be looked at.
McDaid has serious potential but I didn’t think he played that well last night despite what others have said. Cooke fantastic in the first half with a serious display of point taking but either he ran out of steam or whatever changes Mayo made certainly nullified his influence in the second half. One of the few to stand up though, another player that we should be looking to build around and try to get him playing well regularly in the county jersey.

I didn’t see it myself but if the allegations I read elsewhere that Farragher was jawing at his manager on his way off the pitch are accurate then it’s an extremely poor look. I would have been an advocate for him starting as changes had to be made up front in the FF line and his club form over a significant period of time would warrant a shot at the 14 jersey but he didn’t play worth a f**k yesterday evening, arguing with the management while (rightly) getting substituted, is frankly a disgrace to the Galway jersey. If that story is nonsense then apologies to Martin Farragher for putting it up here, please disregard that paragraph, however if it’s correct then take it as read.
You’d have to say that it was Ian Burke that should have been dropped from the starting lineup instead of Ó Laoi, Burke has been rubbish for Galway all championship, that’s the long and the short of it. Shane Walsh well held for most of the match by Durcan, the two missed frees were criminal, have to put those away at this level. Comer coming on was a desperation move, clearly miles off the pace just coming back from his bad injury, the less said the better about his bicycle kick attempt.

Logically I cannot see how Kevin Walsh can continue but if it’s left up to himself I wouldn’t be surprised to see him try to tough it out and stay on for 2020, whether that is the best thing for Galway football is another matter. I think he deserves kudos for a number of things, he brought a Galway setup going nowhere back to Division One and the last four of the championship. He scoured the county for players that might be able to go a job and brought in a seriousness in terms of preparation that wasn’t there previously. Things have gone backwards this year, there’s a number of issues outside of KW’s control that have contributed to this but ultimately the championship performances have been awful and it looks like the end of the road. The defensive system and coverage and tackling has gone backwards. We looked like we abandoned a system that has been proven to give Mayo difficulties, there is no coherence in the attack. He can point to the key injuries last night and all year but you can’t talk about panel development and the depth of talent in the same breath. I was looking at the team line-ups for the whole year this morning and Duggan going off at half time in Tyrone might have had a bigger impact than we previously thought, we haven't looked right since. He has toughness and a bit of dog in him that is hard to replace when going up against ruthlessly cynical (i.e. winning) teams like Mayo, Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone. Leaders like Paul Conroy were sorely missed all year and it really showed last night. Regardless of the criticism that Galway took last year we were generally hard to beat, Tally certainly appears to be a massive loss to the setup this year and whatever Stritch was doing it clearly did not translate effectively to actual match situations.

The fans are tearing strips off Kevin Walsh and the team at the minute so it’s only fair that the mirror should be turned back to the stands for a self-assessment. Outside of the hard-core regulars the Galway support is truly pathetic, hopelessly outnumbered yet again in a huge match. "Salthill is too much hassle", fine, there is a clear motorway the whole way from Tuam to Limerick, it’s far easier to get out of than Salthill (for those that weren’t parked in the Na Pairsiagh grounds at least), didn’t make any difference last night. There were more Kerry fans than ourselves at the Tuam league match so the "style of play" is the excuse there. Don’t like the style of play, "too many West board players", excuses, excuses. Supporters have nothing to do but show up and give the team a bit of encouragement, the comparison to the footballing support in Roscommon and Mayo is an embarrassment. There’s a chance that the management will change now, will the fans therefore return in droves given that the style of play might suit their tastes a bit more now? I won’t hold my breath. It’s no coincidence that Galway didn’t get a thing in the first half from McQullian, it was better than a home advantage for Mayo in Limerick last night, their support was raucous and the likes of McQuillan and Deegan are only too happy to blow the whistle and point their hand to suit the majority of the crowd regardless of what should actually be called.

Given the relentless negativity of this post in general I may as well finish up by pointing out that you’d have to say that the Galway Mayo rivalry both on and off the pitch has turned absolutely toxic in comparison to even as recently as the noughties, there’s spite and genuine dislike there now. Some gloating in the stands on the way-out last night and I’ve no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot it’d have been every bit as bad from some of the Galway support. Given my own connections I’ve been in CP cheering Mayo on in All Ireland finals previously, but I couldn’t see myself doing it now in any circumstances. Perhaps it’s just a reflection of the stakes involved in terms of top level inter county that it’s taken so seriously. The excellent “Will Galway Beat Mayo?” by James Laffey is truly a snapshot of a more innocent time in terms of how the rivalry played out that won’t be seen again.

Excellent, honest and informative post.
You should be a journalist, although specific to Galway, better than most I have read in the aftermath of the game.
As a Mayo man, if there was gloating I am embarrassed. I understand why we are thrilled to win a game that we did not expect to, but that sort of soccer shite is indefensible.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: WhoDat on July 08, 2019, 12:33:12 AM
Even if Galway get a new manager, I'm not convinced they'll suddenly become a formidable force. There's an attitude problem within the squad that rears its head now and again and often at key moments. They don't have the stomach for a battle. More than the game yesterday, I thought it showed up badly in the Connacht final. They thought they had that game won at half time and complacency set in and once Roscommon's tail went up, the Galway heads dropped. Not for the first time with this Galway team. Complacency seems to be a consistent issue. So many years of treating wins over Mayo in Connacht like all Ireland final wins seems to have something to do with it. They seemed to have been satisfied with beating Mayo in Connacht and then wilting as soon as it came to Croke Park.

Then yesterday, they should have known that Mayo would be up for it, but they were fairly gutless in response. Like I said, no fight in them, no battling qualities. Now you can put some of that down to management and the possibility that Kevin Walsh has lost the dressing room, but the players have to take some responsibility, especially for the Connacht final display.

As for Mayo, they are team that seem to enjoy chaos and backs to the wall situations and going man to man with them for this game played into their hands. They love a good battle and have the heart for it, which Galway just don't.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: moysider on July 08, 2019, 12:41:09 AM
2019 can safely be consigned to the dustbin of history, a disastrous year all round for Galway GAA.  As for Mayo they fully deserved to win, better team for the good majority of the match, the Mayo team were fit for a fight last night, they’ll fancy themselves in Kerry next week.
What to say about Galway? I’ve said on here all year that the final assessment of Galway - the system, the players and the management can only be made when the year is over. We’re at that point now. I’ll preface my comments by saying that the level of commitment and application by all players and management over the whole season has to be acknowledged and admired. Inter county is a phenomenal commitment, they are doing something they love but by the same token it is not something that you can half ass nowadays, it’s easy for punters to watch a match and make judgements, far more difficult to be born with the ability to play it and then actually put in all the hard work to realise that, anyone who has the talent, motivation and drive to play inter county has to be respected and absolutely no one involved goes out to play badly. That said we can only discuss what we see between the lines for the 75ish minutes because it’s the results from these encounters that is the ultimate judgement.

Starting Kyne was nuts, Sean Andy hasn't had a great year but I'd have left him at full back for his presence alone, it upset the whole FB line, he could have done a job at CB maybe but too rusty for full back and he's rarely done well in that position anyway.

Hold up here, can we judge players on what actually happens on the pitch and not preconceptions and notions? Declan Kyne has taken some amount of criticism during his time in the Galway jersey, maybe because there’s no underage pedigree there, his perceived limitations and the fact that he’s only from a small Junior club (West board as well which of course which is another negative for some) but compared to the rest of the illustrious panellists from the top clubs in the county he was one of about three Galway men that played anything worth a damn last night. Upset the whole FB line? How? Liam Silke was cleaned out in his last two championship matches regardless of who was playing with him. Kerin was a disaster yesterday, needlessly fouling O’Connor right on the end line for a gimme free when there was no danger, he couldn’t tackle, a fouling machine who had to be taken off early before he was sent off. Declan took some licks but I thought he was outstanding and the consensus around me was the same. Turnover after turnover last night in the face of relentless pressure due to failures further out the pitch, the ability to actually execute a successful tackle (Kerin and SAOC should take note), fair shoulders on multiple Mayo players, tough and uncompromising, actual leadership in the face of adversity when plenty of the more heralded players were nowhere to be seen. If we had more of what Kyne brought to that match last night from the bigger names Galway wouldn’t be sifting through the detritus of a completely wasted 2019 championship season today.

Silke would have been one of the players that we would have all expected to be a huge addition to Galway for 2019 but his form in the big championship matches was very disappointing, played badly against the Rossies and he was completely cleaned out against Mayo. He is the designated penalty taker and is surely that person for a good reason so I’ve no issue with him stepping up to it but the tame effort really summed up his travails in Limerick. It was the key moment during the only good period Galway had in the match. The second Mayo goal was absolutely crazy to concede, no other top team would allow it to happen, Silke should have took the hit for the team and just fouled out the pitch. Kerin, who I have a lot of time for as you need players like that to win anything, looks like he’s forgotten how to stand up a player and tackle, we’ve seen him do it before but he is just stupidly fouling at the moment.

I don’t know where to begin on the goalkeeping situation, needless to say it clearly didn’t work out. Is calamitous too strong a word?
John Daly was the youngest player on the Galway side last night but he showed far more fight and appetite for the battle than most of his teammates, a player to build around moving forward. His brother Michael flattered to deceive yet again, plenty of talent but he is in and out of matches all the time. Heaney has been below par this year, he’s an underrated player but all the good qualities that he usually brings have been absent lately, some of his passing against Mayo was just not up to it. O'Donnell provided at least some semblance of leadership last night but his best days in the jersey are behind him, his effort, professionalism and commitment can't be faulted but other options have to be looked at.
McDaid has serious potential but I didn’t think he played that well last night despite what others have said. Cooke fantastic in the first half with a serious display of point taking but either he ran out of steam or whatever changes Mayo made certainly nullified his influence in the second half. One of the few to stand up though, another player that we should be looking to build around and try to get him playing well regularly in the county jersey.

I didn’t see it myself but if the allegations I read elsewhere that Farragher was jawing at his manager on his way off the pitch are accurate then it’s an extremely poor look. I would have been an advocate for him starting as changes had to be made up front in the FF line and his club form over a significant period of time would warrant a shot at the 14 jersey but he didn’t play worth a f**k yesterday evening, arguing with the management while (rightly) getting substituted, is frankly a disgrace to the Galway jersey. If that story is nonsense then apologies to Martin Farragher for putting it up here, please disregard that paragraph, however if it’s correct then take it as read.
You’d have to say that it was Ian Burke that should have been dropped from the starting lineup instead of Ó Laoi, Burke has been rubbish for Galway all championship, that’s the long and the short of it. Shane Walsh well held for most of the match by Durcan, the two missed frees were criminal, have to put those away at this level. Comer coming on was a desperation move, clearly miles off the pace just coming back from his bad injury, the less said the better about his bicycle kick attempt.

Logically I cannot see how Kevin Walsh can continue but if it’s left up to himself I wouldn’t be surprised to see him try to tough it out and stay on for 2020, whether that is the best thing for Galway football is another matter. I think he deserves kudos for a number of things, he brought a Galway setup going nowhere back to Division One and the last four of the championship. He scoured the county for players that might be able to go a job and brought in a seriousness in terms of preparation that wasn’t there previously. Things have gone backwards this year, there’s a number of issues outside of KW’s control that have contributed to this but ultimately the championship performances have been awful and it looks like the end of the road. The defensive system and coverage and tackling has gone backwards. We looked like we abandoned a system that has been proven to give Mayo difficulties, there is no coherence in the attack. He can point to the key injuries last night and all year but you can’t talk about panel development and the depth of talent in the same breath. I was looking at the team line-ups for the whole year this morning and Duggan going off at half time in Tyrone might have had a bigger impact than we previously thought, we haven't looked right since. He has toughness and a bit of dog in him that is hard to replace when going up against ruthlessly cynical (i.e. winning) teams like Mayo, Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone. Leaders like Paul Conroy were sorely missed all year and it really showed last night. Regardless of the criticism that Galway took last year we were generally hard to beat, Tally certainly appears to be a massive loss to the setup this year and whatever Stritch was doing it clearly did not translate effectively to actual match situations.

The fans are tearing strips off Kevin Walsh and the team at the minute so it’s only fair that the mirror should be turned back to the stands for a self-assessment. Outside of the hard-core regulars the Galway support is truly pathetic, hopelessly outnumbered yet again in a huge match. "Salthill is too much hassle", fine, there is a clear motorway the whole way from Tuam to Limerick, it’s far easier to get out of than Salthill (for those that weren’t parked in the Na Pairsiagh grounds at least), didn’t make any difference last night. There were more Kerry fans than ourselves at the Tuam league match so the "style of play" is the excuse there. Don’t like the style of play, "too many West board players", excuses, excuses. Supporters have nothing to do but show up and give the team a bit of encouragement, the comparison to the footballing support in Roscommon and Mayo is an embarrassment. There’s a chance that the management will change now, will the fans therefore return in droves given that the style of play might suit their tastes a bit more now? I won’t hold my breath. It’s no coincidence that Galway didn’t get a thing in the first half from McQullian, it was better than a home advantage for Mayo in Limerick last night, their support was raucous and the likes of McQuillan and Deegan are only too happy to blow the whistle and point their hand to suit the majority of the crowd regardless of what should actually be called.

Given the relentless negativity of this post in general I may as well finish up by pointing out that you’d have to say that the Galway Mayo rivalry both on and off the pitch has turned absolutely toxic in comparison to even as recently as the noughties, there’s spite and genuine dislike there now. Some gloating in the stands on the way-out last night and I’ve no doubt that if the shoe was on the other foot it’d have been every bit as bad from some of the Galway support. Given my own connections I’ve been in CP cheering Mayo on in All Ireland finals previously, but I couldn’t see myself doing it now in any circumstances. Perhaps it’s just a reflection of the stakes involved in terms of top level inter county that it’s taken so seriously. The excellent “Will Galway Beat Mayo?” by James Laffey is truly a snapshot of a more innocent time in terms of how the rivalry played out that won’t be seen again.

Excellent, honest and informative post.
You should be a journalist, although specific to Galway, better than most I have read in the aftermath of the game.
As a Mayo man, if there was gloating I am embarrassed. I understand why we are thrilled to win a game that we did not expect to, but that sort of soccer shite is indefensible.

+1.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2019, 12:49:33 AM
Even if Galway get a new manager, I'm not convinced they'll suddenly become a formidable force. There's an attitude problem within the squad that rears its head now and again and often at key moments. They don't have the stomach for a battle. More than the game yesterday, I thought it showed up badly in the Connacht final. They thought they had that game won at half time and complacency set in and once Roscommon's tail went up, the Galway heads dropped. Not for the first time with this Galway team. Complacency seems to be a consistent issue. So many years of treating wins over Mayo in Connacht like all Ireland final wins seems to have something to do with it. They seemed to have been satisfied with beating Mayo in Connacht and then wilting as soon as it came to Croke Park.

Then yesterday, they should have known that Mayo would be up for it, but they were fairly gutless in response. Like I said, no fight in them, no battling qualities. Now you can put some of that down to management and the possibility that Kevin Walsh has lost the dressing room, but the players have to take some responsibility, especially for the Connacht final display.

As for Mayo, they are team that seem to enjoy chaos and backs to the wall situations and going man to man with them for this game played into their hands. They love a good battle and have the heart for it, which Galway just don't.

To be fair while I thought they completely capitulated in the 2nd half of the Connacht final they actually put up a decent fight yesterday considering a nightmare start of conceding 2 goals in the first 6 minutes of the game. One of which was a keeper howler. They actually did well to drag themselves back into the game despite only about 3 or 4 players really performing well.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: whitey on July 08, 2019, 12:55:55 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2019, 01:08:00 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this

Sure they also said McQuillan was giving all the decisions to Galway.  ;D
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: whitey on July 08, 2019, 01:12:46 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this

Sure they also said McQuillan was giving all the decisions to Galway.  ;D

They said that Mayo could have had 2 penalties and that the Galway penalty was very soft
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2019, 01:28:24 AM
 "disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: moysider on July 08, 2019, 02:04:11 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this

How could anybody do that. There was a bit of messing around the throw in. McDaid was a bit too het up maybe but Galway's 'intensity' pre throw-in did not translate into the game at the start.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: moysider on July 08, 2019, 02:10:45 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this

Sure they also said McQuillan was giving all the decisions to Galway.  ;D

They said that Mayo could have had 2 penalties and that the Galway penalty was very soft

No. Wrong on all counts. Boyle was not fouled and Vaughan got hit with a very good shoulder. Barrett made a great attempt at a block but got Burke's leg before the ball. Stone wall penalty. The problem there from Mayo point of view was a bad turn over led to the penalty. That is our failing. We create chaos from situations where we should be able to control the gig.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: moysider on July 08, 2019, 02:22:03 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this

Sure they also said McQuillan was giving all the decisions to Galway.  ;D

All the Mayo fans around me though he was riding us as well. Galway folk though he was doing them!
Now Cormac Reilly really did do us in 2014 in Limerick. No debate there.
 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2019, 05:52:13 AM
"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.
By the standards of recent years it has been poor. The hurlers never got going. They have to
go back and find new young lads and rebuild the team.

The footballers have reached the end of something . The KW years were
a dead end . D1 is good but the constant underperformance is not . Fair play to Ros but Galway should be able to defend a lead .

A good few players may have to be shown the door.

Galway fans have high expectations. We have had a good decade and expect success
The average over the last decade is more than one All Ireland per year.

County team all Irelands this decade

U21 football 2011 2013
U21 hurling 2011
Minor hurling 2011, 2015, 2017, 2018
Senior hurling 2017

Senior Club all Irelands

Hurling 2011 2014
Football 2015 2018 2019



Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2019, 09:41:52 AM
"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.

By Galway standards it’s been a horrendous Summer. Last year the hurlers were in a AI final, footballers a semi final, both minor teams reached the AI final, U-21 hurlers won Leinster. People just get used to all teams getting to semi finals at least and it’s not really possible every year.

Serious step down this year even though the minor teams are still alive. And the U-20 footballers.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mac2 on July 08, 2019, 09:44:13 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this

Sure they also said McQuillan was giving all the decisions to Galway.  ;D

All the Mayo fans around me though he was riding us as well. Galway folk though he was doing them!
Now Cormac Reilly really did do us in 2014 in Limerick. No debate there.
Walsh on about agendas driven from the top, pathetic.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2019, 09:55:08 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this
They are wrong, from my position in the stand the closest pairing to me for the throw in was O'Donnell and Jason Doherty, GoD extended the handshake which was accepted but returned along with a massive dig into the chest, which then led to the two of them hanging out of one another. If I was to say who started it then it was clearly Doherty but if it was left another second would GoD have started it up himself? Quite possibly. I'm sure it could be pointed out that Cillian McDaid was the instigator at midfield. It's nonsense for MidWest to say that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch, there was very much two teams at it.
Local radio is not the place to get an unvarnished account of any match, to hear that they thought McQuillan was harsh on Mayo is mind blowing to me. In fairness Galway Bay is just as ridiculous in these respects as well.

"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.
Senior is the only true barometer.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 08, 2019, 10:00:01 AM
Great post by AFA as usual.

I've always supported Kevin Walsh whilst progress was been made and like AFA said the right time to judge him was at the end of the season; He has been very unlucky with injuries which didn't attract the same attention in the media like the Mayo injuries had, prior to the game I read several former players tipping Galway because of Mayo's injuries yet Galway started the game without 5 of their 6 midfielders on the panel and were also without Comer, Duggan & Bradshaw. In addition McDaid, Kyne (I thought he was excellent) & Brannigan have barely kicked a ball all year and all had injuries which kept them out for around 4 months whilst Cooke had an injury which kept him out for 3 months. Injuries have been a huge blight on this year but you've got to wonder is it a coincidence or is their an underlying issues somewhere, you'll always have a few injuries but not to the extent Galway have had.

Then there's the Paddy Tally affect, how much of a miss has he been? I'd know a fair bit about Tally and I think he's been a huge loss and looks like to me he had a big affect on what happened last year, he's been a huge success with every backroom team he's been involved with and another reason for me why Walsh has to go. Tally had such a positive effect on the likes of Sean Andy & Kerin but this year their form has both dipped and been over zealous in the tackle and given away far too many frees between them; They've lacked the discipline they had last year.

Galway have been abysmal since half time in Tyrone game, reports of poor performances in challenge games through to the London, Sligo, Roscommon & Mayo games where Galway were just appalling at times. Prior to the Roscommon game I was still felt Galway would give us a performance but after that I feared the worst like many on here after that and we were proved right.

There's just been far too many games in this last 4 years where Galway have fallen apart although I wouldn't be as harsh on others with the Monaghan game last year as Galway who'd already qualified for the semi played a team with everything riding on it. The players need to take responsbility for this too but it just feels like the negative style of play is having a knockon affect on the mentality of the players. As Sean Cavangagh pointed out last night there's a clear lack of cohesion to Galway's attack which is not good enough.

Its not all doom and gloom, Galway football is in its best place since 2001 (I know thats not too difficult). There's a very good panel of about 25 with very few of them nearing retirement and we've had some very brilliant underage teams in the last 5 years so there should be plenty of talent coming through
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 08, 2019, 10:21:56 AM
"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.

By Galway standards it’s been a horrendous Summer. Last year the hurlers were in a AI final, footballers a semi final, both minor teams reached the AI final, U-21 hurlers won Leinster. People just get used to all teams getting to semi finals at least and it’s not really possible every year.

Serious step down this year even though the minor teams are still alive. And the U-20 footballers.
Yeah but that's the problem with people in Galway. They just expect our teams to win all the time at every level and if they don't they're branded useless. Sport doesn't work like that of course.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 08, 2019, 11:10:33 AM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this

I was opposite McDonagh and he was getting dogs abuse.
Obviously there were two teams at it all day but I felt Galway did initiate a lot of it but of course I’d be biased. Some strange decisions all day. AOS went up for a kick out and got a blatant push from Heaney. Another ball on the sideline and I Think Vaughan just pushed the galway lad in the back and out over the line. Lots of incidents like that.

Anthony Larry was in front of me, doing his best not to shout for Mayo


I didn’t see any of the comments, the galway people around me were as civil as could be for the whole game but I would agree it’s gone toxic, I think it stems back to 2013 and the big win, they felt bullied and since then there’s been a lot tougher edge to the games. I don’t think Walsh’s style of play suited either.

Galway will thank us in the long run, they actually had a free in our half just outside the 45 and kicked it back to their goalie, they were8 points down at the time
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: rosnarun on July 08, 2019, 11:29:02 AM
Any one who believes Walsh diversionary ,almost davy Fitz like, Tactics seriously need to watch the game again , Bad call were made on both side bif anything Galway got the benefit of the doubt. after watch ing the match on telly im still not convince that Barret foued for the penalty. and while have in 3 players sent to the line might look bad they were desperation last min stuff that thankfully no mayo player responded to , last thing we need for killarney is a few suspensions .
BTW did any one see what Mcdonagh was booked for just at half time ?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 08, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
Any one who believes Walsh diversionary ,almost davy Fitz like, Tactics seriously need to watch the game again , Bad call were made on both side bif anything Galway got the benefit of the doubt. after watch ing the match on telly im still not convince that Barret foued for the penalty. and while have in 3 players sent to the line might look bad they were desperation last min stuff that thankfully no mayo player responded to , last thing we need for killarney is a few suspensions .
BTW did any one see what Mcdonagh was booked for just at half time ?

Bit of grappling, the usual two yellows were dished out
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2019, 12:06:53 PM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this
Galway will thank us in the long run, they actually had a free in our half just outside the 45 and kicked it back to their goalie, they were8 points down at the time

To be honest I wouldn't even think it's absolutely certain that Walsh will step down. He may put the bad year down to just having a bad run of persistent injuries that never really cleared up in time. Would not be surprised if he hangs on even though he's been railing against "online trolls" on social media all year.

After 5 years though I think it should be a natural end at this point. There is no structure to the Galway play. Especially in attack where it's basically left to each individual to do something on his own for us to construct scores. They look poorly coached. Even in defence this year with Tally gone.

The plus side is it's a young squad and there have been some very good underage sides in recent years so more coming up underneath them. Probably a nice project for someone.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: rosnarun on July 08, 2019, 12:14:18 PM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this
Galway will thank us in the long run, they actually had a free in our half just outside the 45 and kicked it back to their goalie, they were8 points down at the time

To be honest I wouldn't even think it's absolutely certain that Walsh will step down. He may put the bad year down to just having a bad run of persistent injuries that never really cleared up in time. Would not be surprised if he hangs on even though he's been railing against "online trolls" on social media all year.

After 5 years though I think it should be a natural end at this point. There is no structure to the Galway play. Especially in attack where it's basically left to each individual to do something on his own for us to construct scores. They look poorly coached. Even in defence this year with Tally gone.

The plus side is it's a young squad and there have been some very good underage sides in recent years so more coming up underneath them. Probably a nice project for someone.

Barry cullniane  was on the mayo new podcast saying Walsh had earned the right to decide wheter to stay or go himself he has done such a wonderful job with galway , like he had won a scatter of All Ireland , would many people in galway hold that view or are they just buddies
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 08, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this
Galway will thank us in the long run, they actually had a free in our half just outside the 45 and kicked it back to their goalie, they were8 points down at the time

To be honest I wouldn't even think it's absolutely certain that Walsh will step down. He may put the bad year down to just having a bad run of persistent injuries that never really cleared up in time. Would not be surprised if he hangs on even though he's been railing against "online trolls" on social media all year.

After 5 years though I think it should be a natural end at this point. There is no structure to the Galway play. Especially in attack where it's basically left to each individual to do something on his own for us to construct scores. They look poorly coached. Even in defence this year with Tally gone.

The plus side is it's a young squad and there have been some very good underage sides in recent years so more coming up underneath them. Probably a nice project for someone.

Barry cullniane  was on the mayo new podcast saying Walsh had earned the right to decide wheter to stay or go himself he has done such a wonderful job with galway , like he had won a scatter of All Ireland , would many people in galway hold that view or are they just buddies
I think the over-riding mood is for change.  Kevin had done a pretty decent job over the past 5 years, well up to last year at any rate, but its now time for a fresh voice in the dressing room.  He was severely hampered by injuries right through this season but what transpired both on the pitch and sideline in the second half v Roscommon was just not acceptable.  His goose was cooked after that defeat regardless of last Sat evening. 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2019, 12:32:20 PM
Obviously they’re biased, but the commentators on MidWest stated that Galway were starting aggro all over the pitch just before the throw in. Can anyone who was actually there confirm or deny this
Galway will thank us in the long run, they actually had a free in our half just outside the 45 and kicked it back to their goalie, they were8 points down at the time

To be honest I wouldn't even think it's absolutely certain that Walsh will step down. He may put the bad year down to just having a bad run of persistent injuries that never really cleared up in time. Would not be surprised if he hangs on even though he's been railing against "online trolls" on social media all year.

After 5 years though I think it should be a natural end at this point. There is no structure to the Galway play. Especially in attack where it's basically left to each individual to do something on his own for us to construct scores. They look poorly coached. Even in defence this year with Tally gone.

The plus side is it's a young squad and there have been some very good underage sides in recent years so more coming up underneath them. Probably a nice project for someone.

Barry cullniane  was on the mayo new podcast saying Walsh had earned the right to decide wheter to stay or go himself he has done such a wonderful job with galway , like he had won a scatter of All Ireland , would many people in galway hold that view or are they just buddies

I think most people definitely feel it's time for a change but Walsh was a tremendous player for Galway so I think a lot of people are reluctant to stick the boot in too much. And to be honest I don't think you want to see it get nasty. I heard reports that he copped a bit of abuse already at the game the last day so I think a mutual parting of ways would be best for all concerned.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: WhoDat on July 08, 2019, 12:53:41 PM
It isn't entirely Walsh's fault. The players have to take some responsibility, but there still seems to be this overriding opinion that the squad will suddenly come good with a change of management. I don't see it myself. Walsh didn't have them playing a pretty style but they lack some mental fortitude and often seem to get ahead of themselves in games.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: whitey on July 08, 2019, 12:55:55 PM
Would it be accurate to say that Galway u set Walsh we’re playing not to loose instead of playing to win
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 08, 2019, 01:11:20 PM
I haven't watched the game back again, naturally you miss plenty at the match but like many thought McQuillan was poor.

From the highlights its very clear the pen was nailed on and was surprised nobody has mentioned that Coen took about 10 steps in the build up to the 1st goal.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2019, 01:27:58 PM
It isn't entirely Walsh's fault. The players have to take some responsibility, but there still seems to be this overriding opinion that the squad will suddenly come good with a change of management. I don't see it myself. Walsh didn't have them playing a pretty style but they lack some mental fortitude and often seem to get ahead of themselves in games.

100% correct, there is blame to be shared around here. I don't think that they will suddenly come good either if there is a change but KW's term has reached a natural end, the development I expected to see this year from Galway simply hasn't happened and it's in fact regressed.
The likes of Brolly talking about "an embarrassment of riches" in Galway just proves to me that spoofers like him don't actually watch that much of or know enough about the vast majority of inter county squads, it's a ludicrous statement. The obsession with comparing Corofin with the county team has to stop as well, there is no comparison with the standards at top club level and top inter county, light years apart. There was 4 Corofin lads on the starting 15 last Saturday, all of them were amongst the worst performers for Galway.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 08, 2019, 01:32:48 PM
Would that be down to fatigue, the Corofin contingent not being their usual standards?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2019, 01:38:53 PM
It isn't entirely Walsh's fault. The players have to take some responsibility, but there still seems to be this overriding opinion that the squad will suddenly come good with a change of management. I don't see it myself. Walsh didn't have them playing a pretty style but they lack some mental fortitude and often seem to get ahead of themselves in games.
There was 4 Corofin lads on the starting 15 last Saturday, all of them were amongst the worst performers for Galway.

You could argue Power, Farragher and Silke were our 3 worst players. Power with his terrible howler. Silke completely out of sorts all Summer. And Farragher had a nightmare. Shortly after Mayo's 2nd goal, Cooke was clean through for a goal and Farragher totally undercooked the hand pass and landed it behind Cooke who had to check his run. Burke was a bit like Silke. Out of sorts all championship.

As poor as Galway played for large parts had one or two things been done more competently they would have been right in that game in the final few minutes.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2019, 01:40:02 PM
Would that be down to fatigue, the Corofin contingent not being their usual standards?
Galway remind me of Roscommon last year. McStay got to the end of the road with them and was very pessimistic about their prospects.
Cunningham came in with new ideas ...

Galway's workrate was nowhere near good enough. You can tell a lot by the spread of scorers

10. P Cooke (0-4), 9. M Daly (0-1); 12. J Heaney, 11. S Walsh (1-3, 1-2 frees and 45), 23. S Kelly; 17. E Brannigan (0-2), 14. M Farragher, 15. I Burke.


 It's time for a change.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 08, 2019, 02:17:11 PM
Would that be down to fatigue, the Corofin contingent not being their usual standards?
It's a good question. They could do with a break no doubt about that.
Ian Burke showed last year the quality that he has but has been a shadow of that player this year.
I have always rated Liam Silke highly but have been really really surprised how rank bad he has been for Galway in the championship this year.
But he's not alone there. Shane Walsh was brilliant throughout last season and has been quiet overall this year.
Power is a quality keeper - he will recover from Sat night for sure.
Martin Farragher is an unknown quantity - Saturday was his first ever start in a Galway jersey at any level as far as I know (I don't think he played minor and was a sub for the 21s) - so the jury is out as to whether he has what it takes for senior county football.
All I can say is that he deserves his chance given the performances he has been putting in for Corofin.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2019, 03:09:22 PM
"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.
By the standards of recent years it has been poor. The hurlers never got going. They have to
go back and find new young lads and rebuild the team.

The footballers have reached the end of something . The KW years were
a dead end . D1 is good but the constant underperformance is not . Fair play to Ros but Galway should be able to defend a lead .

A good few players may have to be shown the door.

Galway fans have high expectations. We have had a good decade and expect success
The average over the last decade is more than one All Ireland per year.

County team all Irelands this decade

U21 football 2011 2013
U21 hurling 2011
Minor hurling 2011, 2015, 2017, 2018
Senior hurling 2017

Senior Club all Irelands

Hurling 2011 2014
Football 2015 2018 2019

Galway hurlers seem to have gone back to the where they were before Anthony Cunnigham arrived e.g a bunch of talented players but flaky.

Roscommon were on the same boat as Galway footballers last year, lost a provincial final because they didn't hold onto a half time lead and never recovered from that defeat that summer but the rossies under new management have improved and it should be interesting to how Galway now do as i expect under new management in 2020.

I'm especially interested to see how Galway will fare under a new offensive game plan that many supporters are calling for. To play such a game you require very physical hard nosed defenders Mayo have that in Boyle,Keegan etc i'm not sure have Galway got those type of defenders.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 08, 2019, 03:26:38 PM
"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.
By the standards of recent years it has been poor. The hurlers never got going. They have to
go back and find new young lads and rebuild the team.

The footballers have reached the end of something . The KW years were
a dead end . D1 is good but the constant underperformance is not . Fair play to Ros but Galway should be able to defend a lead .

A good few players may have to be shown the door.

Galway fans have high expectations. We have had a good decade and expect success
The average over the last decade is more than one All Ireland per year.

County team all Irelands this decade

U21 football 2011 2013
U21 hurling 2011
Minor hurling 2011, 2015, 2017, 2018
Senior hurling 2017

Senior Club all Irelands

Hurling 2011 2014
Football 2015 2018 2019

Galway hurlers seem to have gone back to the where they were before Anthony Cunnigham arrived e.g a bunch of talented players but flaky.

Roscommon were on the same boat as Galway footballers last year, lost a provincial final because they didn't hold onto a half time lead and never recovered from that defeat that summer but the rossies under new management have improved and it should be interesting to how Galway now do as i expect under new management in 2020.

I'm especially interested to see how Galway will fare under a new offensive game plan that many supporters are calling for. To play such a game you require very physical hard nosed defenders Mayo have that in Boyle,Keegan etc i'm not sure have Galway got those type of defenders.

The hurlers were awful before AC arrived
https://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/vincent-hogan/vincent-hogan-have-galway-become-a-soft-touch-26743621.html

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 08, 2019, 03:39:45 PM
"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.
By the standards of recent years it has been poor. The hurlers never got going. They have to
go back and find new young lads and rebuild the team.

The footballers have reached the end of something . The KW years were
a dead end . D1 is good but the constant underperformance is not . Fair play to Ros but Galway should be able to defend a lead .

A good few players may have to be shown the door.

Galway fans have high expectations. We have had a good decade and expect success
The average over the last decade is more than one All Ireland per year.

County team all Irelands this decade

U21 football 2011 2013
U21 hurling 2011
Minor hurling 2011, 2015, 2017, 2018
Senior hurling 2017

Senior Club all Irelands

Hurling 2011 2014
Football 2015 2018 2019

Galway hurlers seem to have gone back to the where they were before Anthony Cunnigham arrived e.g a bunch of talented players but flaky.

I don't think they were that flaky this year to be honest. They just never really got going at any point. Never really played that well all year apart from parts of the Kilkenny game. Actually a fair while now since they were flaky. They've been super consistent for the best part of the last 6 or 7 years.

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I'm especially interested to see how Galway will fare under a new offensive game plan that many supporters are calling for. To play such a game you require very physical hard nosed defenders Mayo have that in Boyle,Keegan etc i'm not sure have Galway got those type of defenders.

I think Donegal might be a better comparison. Donegal get players behind the ball but they are still conceding a fair few scores but when they turn over the ball at least they try and break with pace and with numbers. Galway turn over the ball and the ball goes sideways a few times first and sometimes even backwards.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 08, 2019, 04:04:59 PM
Would that be down to fatigue, the Corofin contingent not being their usual standards?
It's a good question. They could do with a break no doubt about that.
Ian Burke showed last year the quality that he has but has been a shadow of that player this year.
I have always rated Liam Silke highly but have been really really surprised how rank bad he has been for Galway in the championship this year.
But he's not alone there. Shane Walsh was brilliant throughout last season and has been quiet overall this year.
Power is a quality keeper - he will recover from Sat night for sure.
Martin Farragher is an unknown quantity - Saturday was his first ever start in a Galway jersey at any level as far as I know (I don't think he played minor and was a sub for the 21s) - so the jury is out as to whether he has what it takes for senior county football.
All I can say is that he deserves his chance given the performances he has been putting in for Corofin.

Burke would certainly benefit from playing Comer at this level, allows him more space and they complement each other very well;I'd like to think it would suit him if Galway played in a more positive manner, more often than not he makes the right pass but this year and all to often this year he's found himself in possession either very isolated or surrounded by a mass defence.

Farragher will likely get another chance but he's not going to nail down a starting place if Comer is fit. Antaine O'Laoi has had a really good first season but don't know where his best position is.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2019, 04:32:36 PM
Would that be down to fatigue, the Corofin contingent not being their usual standards?
It's a good question. They could do with a break no doubt about that.
Ian Burke showed last year the quality that he has but has been a shadow of that player this year.
I have always rated Liam Silke highly but have been really really surprised how rank bad he has been for Galway in the championship this year.
But he's not alone there. Shane Walsh was brilliant throughout last season and has been quiet overall this year.
Power is a quality keeper - he will recover from Sat night for sure.
Martin Farragher is an unknown quantity - Saturday was his first ever start in a Galway jersey at any level as far as I know (I don't think he played minor and was a sub for the 21s) - so the jury is out as to whether he has what it takes for senior county football.
All I can say is that he deserves his chance given the performances he has been putting in for Corofin.
To be a really top class player you have to do it consistently game in game out, every year for a sustained period at inter county level, forget the club performances. None of the Corofin contingent have done that this decade, Lundy had a fantastic 2014 in a Galway jersey but never got near those heights again. Ian Burke was electric last year, nowhere this year, Silke majestic for UCD and Corofin, hasn't done it in a Galway jersey to those heights ever. Has their exertions with the club had an effect in the summer? Lack of game time to integrate in the league? Plenty will blame Kevin Walsh and the system but I'm not sure about that.

And by top class I don't mean necessarily hitting the 9/10 performance every day but remaining influential throughout, taking the right options in general and never having a really bad day out any time on the pitch, the likes of TJ Reid, James McCarthy, Lee Keegan, Brian Fenton, Declan O'Sullivan. Over the last few years Keegan might have a quietish game but he'll never have an awful one.
I was at nearly every league and championship Galway match this year and from fuzzy recollection the most consistent player who was hovering in around the 7/10 mark most days was John Daly along with Tom Flynn up until the Roscommon game (when he was clearly not 100%), so the most consistent player for Galway this year that started on the pitch the last day was a kid and our best player in the backs on the day was Kyne who hadn't played since the FBD league, this is madness and not a good look for the players or management.
Shane Walsh was robbed of an All Star last year when he was by a mile Galway's best player but he's not backed that up this year, he's 26 now and should be the main man for Galway day in day out like PJ was in his heyday. Instead he is still missing frees that should be converted, he hit the post from a 21 yard free in front of the posts against Roscommon in the league, the very best generally don't do that.
Don't get me wrong we'd be far worse off without him and this is ultra harsh on good players but that's the bar for greatness, what Galway player would fulfil that at the moment?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 08, 2019, 04:38:48 PM
Would that be down to fatigue, the Corofin contingent not being their usual standards?
It's a good question. They could do with a break no doubt about that.
Ian Burke showed last year the quality that he has but has been a shadow of that player this year.
I have always rated Liam Silke highly but have been really really surprised how rank bad he has been for Galway in the championship this year.
But he's not alone there. Shane Walsh was brilliant throughout last season and has been quiet overall this year.
Power is a quality keeper - he will recover from Sat night for sure.
Martin Farragher is an unknown quantity - Saturday was his first ever start in a Galway jersey at any level as far as I know (I don't think he played minor and was a sub for the 21s) - so the jury is out as to whether he has what it takes for senior county football.
All I can say is that he deserves his chance given the performances he has been putting in for Corofin.
To be a really top class player you have to do it consistently game in game out, every year for a sustained period at inter county level, forget the club performances. None of the Corofin contingent have done that this decade, Lundy had a fantastic 2014 in a Galway jersey but never got near those heights again. Ian Burke was electric last year, nowhere this year, Silke majestic for UCD and Corofin, hasn't done it in a Galway jersey to those heights ever. Has their exertions with the club had an effect in the summer? Lack of game time to integrate in the league? Plenty will blame Kevin Walsh and the system but I'm not sure about that.

And by top class I don't mean necessarily hitting the 9/10 performance every day but remaining influential throughout, taking the right options in general and never having a really bad day out any time on the pitch, the likes of TJ Reid, James McCarthy, Lee Keegan, Brian Fenton, Declan O'Sullivan. Over the last few years Keegan might have a quietish game but he'll never have an awful one.
I was at nearly every league and championship Galway match this year and from fuzzy recollection the most consistent player who was hovering in around the 7/10 mark most days was John Daly along with Tom Flynn up until the Roscommon game (when he was clearly not 100%), so the most consistent player for Galway this year that started on the pitch the last day was a kid and our best player in the backs on the day was Kyne who hadn't played since the FBD league, this is madness and not a good look for the players or management.
Shane Walsh was robbed of an All Star last year when he was by a mile Galway's best player but he's not backed that up this year, he's 26 now and should be the main man for Galway day in day out like PJ was in his heyday. Instead he is still missing frees that should be converted, he hit the post from a 21 yard free in front of the posts against Roscommon in the league, the very best generally don't do that.
Don't get me wrong we'd be far worse off without him and this is ultra harsh on good players but that's the bar for greatness, what Galway player would fulfil that at the moment?

Out of interest if everyone was fit who would be your starting 15 next year?

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: twohands!!! on July 08, 2019, 04:53:53 PM
"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.
By the standards of recent years it has been poor. The hurlers never got going. They have to
go back and find new young lads and rebuild the team.

The footballers have reached the end of something . The KW years were
a dead end . D1 is good but the constant underperformance is not . Fair play to Ros but Galway should be able to defend a lead .

A good few players may have to be shown the door.

Galway fans have high expectations. We have had a good decade and expect success
The average over the last decade is more than one All Ireland per year.

County team all Irelands this decade

U21 football 2011 2013
U21 hurling 2011
Minor hurling 2011, 2015, 2017, 2018
Senior hurling 2017

Senior Club all Irelands

Hurling 2011 2014
Football 2015 2018 2019

Galway hurlers seem to have gone back to the where they were before Anthony Cunnigham arrived e.g a bunch of talented players but flaky.

I don't think they were that flaky this year to be honest. They just never really got going at any point. Never really played that well all year apart from parts of the Kilkenny game. Actually a fair while now since they were flaky. They've been super consistent for the best part of the last 6 or 7 years.

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I'm especially interested to see how Galway will fare under a new offensive game plan that many supporters are calling for. To play such a game you require very physical hard nosed defenders Mayo have that in Boyle,Keegan etc i'm not sure have Galway got those type of defenders.

I think Donegal might be a better comparison. Donegal get players behind the ball but they are still conceding a fair few scores but when they turn over the ball at least they try and break with pace and with numbers. Galway turn over the ball and the ball goes sideways a few times first and sometimes even backwards.

Someone I was watching the game with said he felt that the Galway players looked massively risk averse (looked like lads who were fearful of having to justify any turnover or wide the statsman spotted against them) Also Galway seemed seriously unwilling to commit enough men forward when attacking even when chasing the game late on.  It's far more common to see a team's approach to stuff like this change when a new voice comes in as opposed to under a manger who has been in place for a few years.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: macdanger2 on July 08, 2019, 05:00:59 PM
Who actually played MF for Mayo with AOS? Was it Vaughan or Coen? It was hard to see on the TV
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: kerryforsam19 on July 08, 2019, 05:12:09 PM
Would that be down to fatigue, the Corofin contingent not being their usual standards?
It's a good question. They could do with a break no doubt about that.
Ian Burke showed last year the quality that he has but has been a shadow of that player this year.
I have always rated Liam Silke highly but have been really really surprised how rank bad he has been for Galway in the championship this year.
But he's not alone there. Shane Walsh was brilliant throughout last season and has been quiet overall this year.
Power is a quality keeper - he will recover from Sat night for sure.
Martin Farragher is an unknown quantity - Saturday was his first ever start in a Galway jersey at any level as far as I know (I don't think he played minor and was a sub for the 21s) - so the jury is out as to whether he has what it takes for senior county football.
All I can say is that he deserves his chance given the performances he has been putting in for Corofin.
To be a really top class player you have to do it consistently game in game out, every year for a sustained period at inter county level, forget the club performances. None of the Corofin contingent have done that this decade, Lundy had a fantastic 2014 in a Galway jersey but never got near those heights again. Ian Burke was electric last year, nowhere this year, Silke majestic for UCD and Corofin, hasn't done it in a Galway jersey to those heights ever. Has their exertions with the club had an effect in the summer? Lack of game time to integrate in the league? Plenty will blame Kevin Walsh and the system but I'm not sure about that.

And by top class I don't mean necessarily hitting the 9/10 performance every day but remaining influential throughout, taking the right options in general and never having a really bad day out any time on the pitch, the likes of TJ Reid, James McCarthy, Lee Keegan, Brian Fenton, Declan O'Sullivan. Over the last few years Keegan might have a quietish game but he'll never have an awful one.
I was at nearly every league and championship Galway match this year and from fuzzy recollection the most consistent player who was hovering in around the 7/10 mark most days was John Daly along with Tom Flynn up until the Roscommon game (when he was clearly not 100%), so the most consistent player for Galway this year that started on the pitch the last day was a kid and our best player in the backs on the day was Kyne who hadn't played since the FBD league, this is madness and not a good look for the players or management.
Shane Walsh was robbed of an All Star last year when he was by a mile Galway's best player but he's not backed that up this year, he's 26 now and should be the main man for Galway day in day out like PJ was in his heyday. Instead he is still missing frees that should be converted, he hit the post from a 21 yard free in front of the posts against Roscommon in the league, the very best generally don't do that.
Don't get me wrong we'd be far worse off without him and this is ultra harsh on good players but that's the bar for greatness, what Galway player would fulfil that at the moment?

Out of interest if everyone was fit who would be your starting 15 next year?

Power
Kerins
Kyne
Silke
Molloy
McDaid
J.Daly
Flynn
Duggan
Heaney
M.Daly
Mick Farragher
Walsh
Comer
Burke


Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 08, 2019, 05:49:30 PM
"disastrous year all round for Galway GAA"  maybe so if judgement is only made on the senior championships for both senior Hurling and football teams.  The senior footballers stayed up in Div 1 that has to be one plus? U17s have All Ireland quarter final and the U20s have a Connacht final to play this week.
By the standards of recent years it has been poor. The hurlers never got going. They have to
go back and find new young lads and rebuild the team.

The footballers have reached the end of something . The KW years were
a dead end . D1 is good but the constant underperformance is not . Fair play to Ros but Galway should be able to defend a lead .

A good few players may have to be shown the door.

Galway fans have high expectations. We have had a good decade and expect success
The average over the last decade is more than one All Ireland per year.

County team all Irelands this decade

U21 football 2011 2013
U21 hurling 2011
Minor hurling 2011, 2015, 2017, 2018
Senior hurling 2017

Senior Club all Irelands

Hurling 2011 2014
Football 2015 2018 2019

Galway hurlers seem to have gone back to the where they were before Anthony Cunnigham arrived e.g a bunch of talented players but flaky.

I don't think they were that flaky this year to be honest. They just never really got going at any point. Never really played that well all year apart from parts of the Kilkenny game. Actually a fair while now since they were flaky. They've been super consistent for the best part of the last 6 or 7 years.

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I'm especially interested to see how Galway will fare under a new offensive game plan that many supporters are calling for. To play such a game you require very physical hard nosed defenders Mayo have that in Boyle,Keegan etc i'm not sure have Galway got those type of defenders.

I think Donegal might be a better comparison. Donegal get players behind the ball but they are still conceding a fair few scores but when they turn over the ball at least they try and break with pace and with numbers. Galway turn over the ball and the ball goes sideways a few times first and sometimes even backwards.


Galway hurlers able to beat Kilkenny and then knocked out of the championship by Dublin whom themselves got knocked out yesterday against the odds was far from super consistent this summer.

How far will Donegal get under this new system of play though? they are talked up as the number 2 team at the moment but will they reach the heights of what McGuinness did with them i'd wonder. Paddy McGrath, Neil McGee are still in their defence delivering the type of experience that Barrett,Higgins do for Mayo.  Most experienced defenders Galway have are Bradshaw,O'Donnell and many question why they keep getting starts.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: WhoDat on July 08, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
Who actually played MF for Mayo with AOS? Was it Vaughan or Coen? It was hard to see on the TV

Couldn't tell either. Vaughan definitely started there, but Coen seemed to hovering around too. Maybe some rotation between the two?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 08, 2019, 06:40:32 PM
Out of interest if everyone was fit who would be your starting 15 next year?
Very hard to pick a starting 15 for next year, on average the Galway championship panel has had a turnover of nearly a third every year. There's lads on that panel who'll never see a jersey again and if the management is changed all bets are off on the composition of the 2020 panel.

If you had said after the Dublin match last year it would turn out that Antaine O Laoi should have started ahead of Ian Burke in a do or die round 4 qualifier against Mayo, no one would have given any credibility to that statement, yet that's the reality now in July 2019.
2018 starter Cathal Sweeney took an unexpected step back this year from the team, likely someone else will do the same next year.

The only guaranteed starters next year should be Shane Walsh, Damien Comer (assuming this injury hasn't wrecked his career), Tom Flynn and John Daly (assuming that he improves as expected but this young lad has the look of someone who we should be building the HB line around). Ian Burke is a starter as well if this season is a once off and that he gets back to the high level he can play at. Cooke needs to be developed into the player he can be but you couldn't say he's a guaranteed starter yet.
Every other position is up for grabs as far as I'm concerned for a variety of reasons.
I'm really hoping that Molloy and McDaid will turn into the players at IC that they can be, they've done nothing as of yet though. O Laoi needs to hit the gym and improve that aspect.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 08, 2019, 06:47:45 PM
Who actually played MF for Mayo with AOS? Was it Vaughan or Coen? It was hard to see on the TV

Couldn't tell either. Vaughan definitely started there, but Coen seemed to hovering around too. Maybe some rotation between the two?

Vaughan was there at the start but I think Coen moved in to deal with Cooke after half time.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 09, 2019, 10:31:37 AM
Out of interest if everyone was fit who would be your starting 15 next year?
Very hard to pick a starting 15 for next year, on average the Galway championship panel has had a turnover of nearly a third every year. There's lads on that panel who'll never see a jersey again and if the management is changed all bets are off on the composition of the 2020 panel.

If you had said after the Dublin match last year it would turn out that Antaine O Laoi should have started ahead of Ian Burke in a do or die round 4 qualifier against Mayo, no one would have given any credibility to that statement, yet that's the reality now in July 2019.
2018 starter Cathal Sweeney took an unexpected step back this year from the team, likely someone else will do the same next year.

The only guaranteed starters next year should be Shane Walsh, Damien Comer (assuming this injury hasn't wrecked his career), Tom Flynn and John Daly (assuming that he improves as expected but this young lad has the look of someone who we should be building the HB line around). Ian Burke is a starter as well if this season is a once off and that he gets back to the high level he can play at. Cooke needs to be developed into the player he can be but you couldn't say he's a guaranteed starter yet.
Every other position is up for grabs as far as I'm concerned for a variety of reasons.
I'm really hoping that Molloy and McDaid will turn into the players at IC that they can be, they've done nothing as of yet though. O Laoi needs to hit the gym and improve that aspect.


Agree with that, the likes of Kerin has to get back to the form of last year when he was very disciplined and I wouldn't give up on Sean Andy yet, hopefully he learns from the mistakes of this year. Thankfully the club finals have changed so if Corofin do get there it gives Power, Silke, Wall, Molloy, Burke & Farragher a chance to play in the league. I'm sure we'll find another player or two, John Daly & O'Laoi really stood up and impressed this year.

Despite the media fascination with Mayo's injuries Galway have been hit harder all year, I'd like to think we're due a bit of luck next year  with that regards.

I listened last night to Kevin Walsh who was on yesterday morning on GBFM, sounds like he'll do another year if he gets support from the players and delegates. He's certainly not going to make any quick decision, think we'll have to wait until another 6 weeks to find out.

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GetItInTheMixer on July 09, 2019, 11:36:53 AM
The way the league used to be used to  blood players  ideally the manager would take the winter now to blood the likes of Mulkerrins at fullback to see if there is an alternative to/competition for  SAOC, and give the likes of Farragher,  Rob Finnerty, Cein Darcy a proper run of games to see are they strong contenders for places next summer.  However, the way the league is gone and how much pressure there is to stay in Div 1 managers other than Dublin can't really do that any more.  We ended up  last Saturday due to being very unlucky with injuries and lack of availability of Corofin players with questions all over the pitch

- The Keeper situtation was in flux.
- Hadn't seen enough of Liam Silke at corner back as opposed to wing back and he got roasted.
- Kyne brought in out of the cold to play full back tho he did do well.
- McDaid thrown in at midfield for the first time ever outside of a club game. Again did well.
- Branigan starting first game for Galway in ages.
- Full forward was practically on debut
- Cooke playing midfield again despite playing centre forward most of the league

That's a hell of a lot of question marks and hoping things work out  for a crucial knockout game against your biggest rivals. In fairness to Walsh he was dealt as bad a hand as Horan was with injuries though it received much less of the publicity than "crisis hit" Mayo did. Contrast to last year where i think any of us could have named 13 of the starting 15 in our sleep.

Whether he stays on or goes ultimately will come down to the players.  If he hasn't lost the dressing room and they all are happy to commit again next year for him he'll stay. If the senior players think another  way of doing things will kick them on to another level he'll probably go.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: mouview on July 09, 2019, 01:05:55 PM
Think the injuries situation is being overplayed somewhat. Bar Comer and maybe Conroy at a stretch, because we have a very ordinary team, none of the injury absentees could be said to be a first teamer or a greater loss than what was available.

As for picking a team for next year, the only attempt I could make at it;

1)  Power (though has to prove that he is much better than Lavelle)

2) ??
3) ??
4) ??

5) ??
6)  John Daly
7) ??  Maybe McDaid, needs to improve his footballing ability

8)  ??
9)  ??

10)  ??
11)  ??
12)  ??

13)  O Laoi, perhaps worth an extended run to see what he's made of
14)  Comer, assuming fully fit
15)  Ian Burke, his prior 2 years have shown that he has the necessary ability at this level

I'm not trying to be smart, leaving so many vacancies, it's just that I really don't think any other player is guaranteed a position, such has been their poor form, particularly this season. In defence, SAOC needs to up it big time, Kerin needs to grow up, stop unnecessary fouling and cop-on, Silke maybe more suited to wing-back, Bradshaw and GOD aren't the future, loyal servants though they are. Flynn probably one midfield berth, though there's many of the better Div. 1 teams he would struggle to make; I'd like to see FOC get a good injury-free run, I think he's a better player than Flynn. D'Arcy one for the future hopefully. In the forwards, Brannigan, Heaney, Ml. Daly (too one-paced) are all of a muchness - again, how many would get on the top teams remaining in the Hateful 8s? Shane Walsh, if he couldn't carry his team the past couple of games, then is he ever going to do it? I know he was being fouled a lot unfairly, but he has to rise above that and lead a team, such is his ability.

It wasn't that the Mayo defeat was a particularly bad night, (they played better than v. Roscommon), it's just that it was the culmination of a long run of bad form. In truth, good games under KW have been very few and far between; ( Kildare in Div II final, Roscommon in Connacht replay in '16, Donegal in qualifier 2 years ago, Kildare last year spring most to mind. It was nice to beat Kerry last year also, but the game itself was drab). If the players are at fault for this, then a new panel is needed. If the management is the cause, then it's time for them to go. Changing nothing, which is still most likely, won't change anything. Meanwhile the fans are staying away in increasing numbers.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: WhoDat on July 09, 2019, 01:11:26 PM
Anyone think Kevin Walsh might not go?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2019, 01:19:44 PM
Anyone think Kevin Walsh might not go?

I think he's planning to stay on. Didn't step down afterwards. Was interviewed on GBFM since and didn't step down.

Looks like he will have to be pushed or for the players turn against him and Comer has already come out backing him.

Walsh is already having a constant running battle with his "critics" whether they be in the media or online. It just looks like an unhealthy situation where the best thing for all concerned would be a fresh start.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 09, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
Think the injuries situation is being overplayed somewhat. Bar Comer and maybe Conroy at a stretch, because we have a very ordinary team, none of the injury absentees could be said to be a first teamer or a greater loss than what was available.

As for picking a team for next year, the only attempt I could make at it;

1)  Power (though has to prove that he is much better than Lavelle)

2) ??
3) ??
4) ??

5) ??
6)  John Daly
7) ??  Maybe McDaid, needs to improve his footballing ability

8)  ??
9)  ??

10)  ??
11)  ??
12)  ??

13)  O Laoi, perhaps worth an extended run to see what he's made of
14)  Comer, assuming fully fit
15)  Ian Burke, his prior 2 years have shown that he has the necessary ability at this level

I'm not trying to be smart, leaving so many vacancies, it's just that I really don't think any other player is guaranteed a position, such has been their poor form, particularly this season. In defence, SAOC needs to up it big time, Kerin needs to grow up, stop unnecessary fouling and cop-on, Silke maybe more suited to wing-back, Bradshaw and GOD aren't the future, loyal servants though they are. Flynn probably one midfield berth, though there's many of the better Div. 1 teams he would struggle to make; I'd like to see FOC get a good injury-free run, I think he's a better player than Flynn. D'Arcy one for the future hopefully. In the forwards, Brannigan, Heaney, Ml. Daly (too one-paced) are all of a muchness - again, how many would get on the top teams remaining in the Hateful 8s? Shane Walsh, if he couldn't carry his team the past couple of games, then is he ever going to do it? I know he was being fouled a lot unfairly, but he has to rise above that and lead a team, such is his ability.

It wasn't that the Mayo defeat was a particularly bad night, (they played better than v. Roscommon), it's just that it was the culmination of a long run of bad form. In truth, good games under KW have been very few and far between; ( Kildare in Div II final, Roscommon in Connacht replay in '16, Donegal in qualifier 2 years ago, Kildare last year spring most to mind. It was nice to beat Kerry last year also, but the game itself was drab). If the players are at fault for this, then a new panel is needed. If the management is the cause, then it's time for them to go. Changing nothing, which is still most likely, won't change anything. Meanwhile the fans are staying away in increasing numbers.
Ah come on - you're not trying to tell me that Shane Walsh isn't a guaranteed starter on that team surely?
I agree with a lot of the blanks you have as most spots are up for grabs but Shane is our best player by a country mile. he doesn't always produce the goods but he's the first name on that teamsheet imo.
The guy was robbed of an All Star last year - I was at every game league and championship and he was good in almost every game including pretty much dragging us to a Connacht final win.
He had a better year than Ian Burke did for example who got an All Star.
Because of the talent he has people expect him to be brilliant every day.
Sport doesn't work like that unfortunately.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 09, 2019, 02:12:29 PM
Think the injuries situation is being overplayed somewhat. Bar Comer and maybe Conroy at a stretch, because we have a very ordinary team, none of the injury absentees could be said to be a first teamer or a greater loss than what was available.

As for picking a team for next year, the only attempt I could make at it;

1)  Power (though has to prove that he is much better than Lavelle)

2) ??
3) ??
4) ??

5) ??
6)  John Daly
7) ??  Maybe McDaid, needs to improve his footballing ability

8)  ??
9)  ??

10)  ??
11)  ??
12)  ??

13)  O Laoi, perhaps worth an extended run to see what he's made of
14)  Comer, assuming fully fit
15)  Ian Burke, his prior 2 years have shown that he has the necessary ability at this level

I'm not trying to be smart, leaving so many vacancies, it's just that I really don't think any other player is guaranteed a position, such has been their poor form, particularly this season. In defence, SAOC needs to up it big time, Kerin needs to grow up, stop unnecessary fouling and cop-on, Silke maybe more suited to wing-back, Bradshaw and GOD aren't the future, loyal servants though they are. Flynn probably one midfield berth, though there's many of the better Div. 1 teams he would struggle to make; I'd like to see FOC get a good injury-free run, I think he's a better player than Flynn. D'Arcy one for the future hopefully. In the forwards, Brannigan, Heaney, Ml. Daly (too one-paced) are all of a muchness - again, how many would get on the top teams remaining in the Hateful 8s? Shane Walsh, if he couldn't carry his team the past couple of games, then is he ever going to do it? I know he was being fouled a lot unfairly, but he has to rise above that and lead a team, such is his ability.

It wasn't that the Mayo defeat was a particularly bad night, (they played better than v. Roscommon), it's just that it was the culmination of a long run of bad form. In truth, good games under KW have been very few and far between; ( Kildare in Div II final, Roscommon in Connacht replay in '16, Donegal in qualifier 2 years ago, Kildare last year spring most to mind. It was nice to beat Kerry last year also, but the game itself was drab). If the players are at fault for this, then a new panel is needed. If the management is the cause, then it's time for them to go. Changing nothing, which is still most likely, won't change anything. Meanwhile the fans are staying away in increasing numbers.

I can understand why some are been pessimistic but think you're been very harsh especially on Shane Walsh; He's not one of Galways problems. Agree on Daly he hasn't kicked on but would like to see him play under a different manager, not every player has to be blessed with great pace. Agree on Brannigan & Heaney, their good subs to have but I wouldn't have them starting although I do think Brannigan could improve but he's practically missed the whole of this year. Don't agree on FOC, would take Flynn every day over him.

As for injuries when 5 of your 6 midfielders don't start and the 6th has been struggling with injury its bound to affect any team, when I saw the team that started I feared the worst. Add in that Kyne, Comer, Brannigan & McDaid have barely kicked a ball all year and all started its not a great combination
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 09, 2019, 02:34:51 PM
Think the injuries situation is being overplayed somewhat. Bar Comer and maybe Conroy at a stretch, because we have a very ordinary team, none of the injury absentees could be said to be a first teamer or a greater loss than what was available.

As for picking a team for next year, the only attempt I could make at it;

1)  Power (though has to prove that he is much better than Lavelle)

2) ??
3) ??
4) ??

5) ??
6)  John Daly
7) ??  Maybe McDaid, needs to improve his footballing ability

8)  ??
9)  ??

10)  ??
11)  ??
12)  ??

13)  O Laoi, perhaps worth an extended run to see what he's made of
14)  Comer, assuming fully fit
15)  Ian Burke, his prior 2 years have shown that he has the necessary ability at this level

I'm not trying to be smart, leaving so many vacancies, it's just that I really don't think any other player is guaranteed a position, such has been their poor form, particularly this season. In defence, SAOC needs to up it big time, Kerin needs to grow up, stop unnecessary fouling and cop-on, Silke maybe more suited to wing-back, Bradshaw and GOD aren't the future, loyal servants though they are. Flynn probably one midfield berth, though there's many of the better Div. 1 teams he would struggle to make; I'd like to see FOC get a good injury-free run, I think he's a better player than Flynn. D'Arcy one for the future hopefully. In the forwards, Brannigan, Heaney, Ml. Daly (too one-paced) are all of a muchness - again, how many would get on the top teams remaining in the Hateful 8s? Shane Walsh, if he couldn't carry his team the past couple of games, then is he ever going to do it? I know he was being fouled a lot unfairly, but he has to rise above that and lead a team, such is his ability.

It wasn't that the Mayo defeat was a particularly bad night, (they played better than v. Roscommon), it's just that it was the culmination of a long run of bad form. In truth, good games under KW have been very few and far between; ( Kildare in Div II final, Roscommon in Connacht replay in '16, Donegal in qualifier 2 years ago, Kildare last year spring most to mind. It was nice to beat Kerry last year also, but the game itself was drab). If the players are at fault for this, then a new panel is needed. If the management is the cause, then it's time for them to go. Changing nothing, which is still most likely, won't change anything. Meanwhile the fans are staying away in increasing numbers.

I think Flynn has more to offer than Fiontán to be honest, hard to judge Fiontán in fairness he's had so many injuries and set backs. From listening to the interviews Kevin Walsh has done since Saturday he seems to be coming out fighting and doesn't sound like he's going to step down.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: mouview on July 09, 2019, 03:11:06 PM

I can understand why some are been pessimistic but think you're been very harsh especially on Shane Walsh; He's not one of Galways problems. Agree on Daly he hasn't kicked on but would like to see him play under a different manager, not every player has to be blessed with great pace. Agree on Brannigan & Heaney, their good subs to have but I wouldn't have them starting although I do think Brannigan could improve but he's practically missed the whole of this year. Don't agree on FOC, would take Flynn every day over him.

As for injuries when 5 of your 6 midfielders don't start and the 6th has been struggling with injury its bound to affect any team, when I saw the team that started I feared the worst. Add in that Kyne, Comer, Brannigan & McDaid have barely kicked a ball all year and all started its not a great combination

My problem with Walsh is that you have to wait too long for him and he's inconsistent, although I will agree that he was very good last year. While comparisons with Joe Canning would be grossly unfair, he is our footballing equivalent as a playmaker. Whereas JC might sometimes have quiet games by his standards, there's very few where he doesn't exert some form of influence. Walsh is by miles our most gifted player but when he's quiet, he's usually anonymous, thus it's unsafe to try and construct a forward division around him. With his terrific ability, he should have been able to do more in the past 2 games than we have seen, particularly against Mayo some of whose defenders wouldn't be the quickest at this stage. Michael Daly also has great ability, but almost never takes on an opponent one-to-one. Because he's a half-forward, this means that in possession he has to hold up the ball until a supporting team mate comes along, thus slowing down the play, or pass it inside. He's not able I think to open up the play or create space in an opposing defence.

I omitted Sean Kelly and Peter Cooke in my sermon above, both of whom I hope can push on.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GetItInTheMixer on July 09, 2019, 03:18:44 PM
I didn't see FOC as an U21 apparently he was very good and hugely athletic beside Tom Flynn.  I've seen enough of him since his injuries to say he is not at this point close to being an intercounty level midfield athlete and at 26, 27  i can't see that changing.

I would view the current Galway squad in  tiers

Top Level nailed on starters when fit and healthy

Shane Walsh
Damien Comer
Ian Burke

All 3 on their day with some service are All Star level players.

Very promising lads who can reach the Top level hopefully in next year or two

Molloy
Michael Daly
John Daly
McDaid
Cooke (Possibly needs to be put either in at 11 or 8 and left there)

Solid Reliable lads who won't let anybody down and are still good intercounty starter level

Tom Flynn
Bradshaw
Conroy
Declan Kyne (At corner back not full)

Need to work on some serious consistency/get back to where they were

Sean Andy
Johnny Heaney
Eoin Kerin
Rúairí Lavelle
Eamon Branigan

Jury is Out/Need to see more
Liam Silke
Martin Farragher
Robert Finnerty
Antaine O'Laoi (Needs some bulk but i like him)
Sean Kelly (Can he be more than just "legs"?)

On the bubble for next years pane due to age/lack of playing time etcl
O'Donnell
G. Armstrong
Varley
Power
Cummins
Duane
FOC





Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 09, 2019, 03:38:19 PM
I don't believe it was all down to luck in regard to the injuries, some of the injuries just weren't treated right, nothing to do with luck. If Damian Comer was a Dublin player or a Galway hurler he would of got the best treatment and would of been back playing in May.

Shane is extremely talented, but just not consistent enough.

Tom Flynn has been in pretty good form up until he got injured prior to the Roscommon match, the guy has a lot to offer, as does Fiontán until you can name a player better than him to take his place on the panel, I would of been a lot happier on Saturday before the match if Fiontán was fit to start.

The general vibe I'm hearing is that Kevin will go. He has given it his all,  I do think its time for a change, after hearing the same voice for five years a change is needed. 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2019, 03:39:05 PM
We can fiddle about with the squad all we like but the reality is without a change in management and philosophy they are going to play exactly the same way next year. In fact I reckon Walsh will double down on the defensive system after trying to be slightly more progressive this year and the team falling apart on him. I'm sure he will point at the injuries (with some justification to be fair) and convince himself that's what the real problem was this year.

The real problem is the team have no functioning system of attack apart from everyone playing as individuals, no kick out strategy, a passive defence where everyone retreats inside the 45 and doesn't engage the opposition, no desire to get the ball forward quickly as possible, far too much lateral slow build up, nobody showing for the ball, nobody making runs off the shoulder, etc, etc, etc. The best period Galway had against Mayo the last day is when they finally were forced to push up on them because they were so far behind. They pressured kickouts, turned over the ball higher up the field and scored 0-5 without reply. And missed a penalty on top of it. But it only happened because they were forced into it.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 09, 2019, 03:44:36 PM
I don't believe it was all down to luck in regard to the injuries, some of the injuries just weren't treated right, nothing to do with luck. If Damian Comer was a Dublin player or a Galway hurler he would of got the best treatment and would of been back playing in May.

The Comer injury was 100% misdiagnosed. He should have been back playing by March or April but they thought he didn't need surgery and then it turned out he actually did need it so he only went under the knife in April when he should have had surgery in January.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 09, 2019, 03:46:56 PM
Imo

           Power
Silke OCeallaigh Kerin
McDaid   Daly   Molloy
      Flynn Conroy
Walsh Cooke Brannigan
  Burke Comer OLaoi
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: mouview on July 09, 2019, 03:55:46 PM
I didn't see FOC as an U21 apparently he was very good and hugely athletic beside Tom Flynn.  I've seen enough of him since his injuries to say he is not at this point close to being an intercounty level midfield athlete and at 26, 27  i can't see that changing.

I would view the current Galway squad in  tiers

Top Level nailed on starters when fit and healthy

Shane Walsh
Damien Comer
Ian Burke

All 3 on their day with some service are All Star level players.

Very promising lads who can reach the Top level hopefully in next year or two

Molloy
Michael Daly
John Daly
McDaid
Cooke (Possibly needs to be put either in at 11 or 8 and left there)

Solid Reliable lads who won't let anybody down and are still good intercounty starter level

Tom Flynn
Bradshaw
Conroy
Declan Kyne (At corner back not full)

Need to work on some serious consistency/get back to where they were

Sean Andy
Johnny Heaney
Eoin Kerin
Rúairí Lavelle
Eamon Branigan

Jury is Out/Need to see more
Liam Silke
Martin Farragher
Robert Finnerty
Antaine O'Laoi (Needs some bulk but i like him)
Sean Kelly (Can he be more than just "legs"?)

On the bubble for next years pane due to age/lack of playing time etcl
O'Donnell
G. Armstrong
Varley
Power
Cummins
Duane
FOC

Would swap your 'Need to work on..' and 'Jury..' panels in the pecking order in fairness  :)
To be fair to FOC, he was very good v Sligo in one of his few starts in a long time, that is the standard I'm judging him by.

Do have a feeling KW will stay on, maybe out of cussedness towards his detractors.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 09, 2019, 04:15:48 PM
Imo

           Power
Silke OCeallaigh Kerin
McDaid   Daly   Molloy
      Flynn Conroy
Walsh Cooke Brannigan
  Burke Comer OLaoi

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
That Full Back line has been proven to be not up to scratch, Galway will win nothing against good teams with it based on what we've seen so far. Silke looks a HB or nothing based on inter county form to date.
You're going the right direction with the HB line, nothing to say that it will work at all but worth a try.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 09, 2019, 04:19:41 PM
Imo

           Power
Silke OCeallaigh Kerin
McDaid   Daly   Molloy
      Flynn Conroy
Walsh Cooke Brannigan
  Burke Comer OLaoi

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
That Full Back line has been proven to be not up to scratch, Galway will win nothing against good teams with it based on what we've seen so far. Silke looks a HB or nothing based on inter county form to date.
You're going the right direction with the HB line, nothing to say that it will work at all but worth a try.

Silke is a hb imo but went for Molloy instead, need better options to step forward forst
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GetItInTheMixer on July 09, 2019, 05:19:14 PM
Imo

           Power
Silke OCeallaigh Kerin
McDaid   Daly   Molloy
      Flynn Conroy
Walsh Cooke Brannigan
  Burke Comer OLaoi

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
That Full Back line has been proven to be not up to scratch, Galway will win nothing against good teams with it based on what we've seen so far. Silke looks a HB or nothing based on inter county form to date.
You're going the right direction with the HB line, nothing to say that it will work at all but worth a try.

Silke is a hb imo but went for Molloy instead, need better options to step forward forst

We are fairly goosed at corner back.  We probably have 6-8 lads who could possibly do a good job at wing back but no cornerbacks. Very bare cupboard. By their nature county cornerbacks tend to be centre backs or wing backs for their clubs (Kerin is a 6 for Annaghdown, Kyne i assume is a 3 or 6 for Clonbur)  but not sure Silke is the answer either.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 09, 2019, 06:56:25 PM
I don't believe it was all down to luck in regard to the injuries, some of the injuries just weren't treated right, nothing to do with luck. If Damian Comer was a Dublin player or a Galway hurler he would of got the best treatment and would of been back playing in May.

Shane is extremely talented, but just not consistent enough.

Tom Flynn has been in pretty good form up until he got injured prior to the Roscommon match, the guy has a lot to offer, as does Fiontán until you can name a player better than him to take his place on the panel, I would of been a lot happier on Saturday before the match if Fiontán was fit to start.

The general vibe I'm hearing is that Kevin will go. He has given it his all,  I do think its time for a change, after hearing the same voice for five years a change is needed.
It's like the Rossies last year. He did as he much as he could with them. Time to give someone else a chance


Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: DJGaliv on July 09, 2019, 07:25:23 PM

The real problem is the team have no functioning system of attack apart from everyone playing as individuals, no kick out strategy, a passive defence
where everyone retreats inside the 45 and doesn't engage the opposition, no desire to get the ball forward quickly as possible, far too much lateral slow build up, nobody showing for the ball, nobody making runs off the shoulder, etc, etc, etc. The best period Galway had against Mayo the last day is when they finally were forced to push up on them because they were so far behind. They pressured kickouts, turned over the ball higher up the field and scored 0-5 without reply. And missed a penalty on top of it. But it only happened because they were forced into it.

I agree with this. Our attacking and kickout strategy are either non-existent or too complicated that some players are using it as a useful shield to hide behind.

We have to first get this right - this calling for half of Corofin to start has to be rooted in some common sense. I don't care who plays for Galway so long as it's the best player. I think half the county is obsessed about what club the player is from.

Goalkeepers:
The issue we have had with goalkeepers is not purely Kevin Walsh's fault - it's down to none of them grabbing the jersey. Lavelle was doing alright if you ask me - not fantastic but not too badly. Power didn't convince me any more than Lavelle when he started or had started. Same with Breathnach or Ó Beoláin. Plan here should be pick one and stick with him.

Full back line
Is there more to it than just individual players being in form/out of form. Kerin is a superstar last year when we were ultra-defensive. Then this year he has less protection and he's "out of form" and needs to learn to "cop on". There are a few more variables at play than saying a lad is just out of form.

Injuries
What happened Comer needs to be looked at - how is it that lads are misdiagnosed and an ankle fracture at Christmas doesn't have a lad back playing until July? Walsh can quite rightly quote injury luck, but it shouldn't be luck. It's far more a science now - with training load monitoring etc. to be getting done that badly I'd worry. As Horan says contact injuries happen, but other injuries are the ones that you should be able to do something about




Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 10, 2019, 09:35:26 AM
Imo

           Power
Silke OCeallaigh Kerin
McDaid   Daly   Molloy
      Flynn Conroy
Walsh Cooke Brannigan
  Burke Comer OLaoi

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
That Full Back line has been proven to be not up to scratch, Galway will win nothing against good teams with it based on what we've seen so far. Silke looks a HB or nothing based on inter county form to date.
You're going the right direction with the HB line, nothing to say that it will work at all but worth a try.

Silke certainly isn't a corner back, he's a half back. I wouldn't write off any of Kerin, Sean Andy & Kyne. I'd like to see them under different management. I've more worries about Sean Andy than the other two, would like to see how all 3 perform under different management and a different system. Looks like to me Paddy Tally has been a big miss. I'm not sure who else is breaking through in the full back line. Looking at last year u20's side in the fullback line Mulkerrins is back u20 this year, Conor Campbell is joint captain but only the bench and Sean Fitzgerald is on the panel I think but not playing although still underage next year. Eoin McFadden was the best corner back I've seen from the previous 4 teams who've won Connacht, he starts tonight for the 20's. Mulkerrins was an exceptional minor, easily stood out as one of the best players at minor level; Interested to see how he progresses.

I just listened to Parkinson's podcast, they thought Kyne & Sean Andy played well.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: cornetto on July 11, 2019, 07:26:14 AM
Met a few of the players on the Sunday after the defeat,drowning their sorrows ,while not saying too much you could read between the lines that since that loss in the league against Tyrone where they stuck to the system and lost and again in the connacht final going 5 pts up sticking to the system and losing meant they didnt believe in what they were trying to achieve.Did people notice Kieran's molloys gesture to the sideline after scoring his point,frustration at not being brought on earlier.
Their has been two camps operating in this panel since early in the year when the younger players were trying to get a player revolt against k.walsh but the older players wouldnt back them.personally I wouldnt blame Walsh but the
paddy  tally influence was badly missed,the swarm defence so in evidence last year was non existent anyway it is what it is hopefully move on and give it another go in 2020 when we are
European capital of culture😁😁
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: WhoDat on July 12, 2019, 12:33:17 AM
We can fiddle about with the squad all we like but the reality is without a change in management and philosophy they are going to play exactly the same way next year. In fact I reckon Walsh will double down on the defensive system after trying to be slightly more progressive this year and the team falling apart on him. I'm sure he will point at the injuries (with some justification to be fair) and convince himself that's what the real problem was this year.

The real problem is the team have no functioning system of attack apart from everyone playing as individuals, no kick out strategy, a passive defence where everyone retreats inside the 45 and doesn't engage the opposition, no desire to get the ball forward quickly as possible, far too much lateral slow build up, nobody showing for the ball, nobody making runs off the shoulder, etc, etc, etc. The best period Galway had against Mayo the last day is when they finally were forced to push up on them because they were so far behind. They pressured kickouts, turned over the ball higher up the field and scored 0-5 without reply. And missed a penalty on top of it. But it only happened because they were forced into it.

I don't see Walsh leaving at this stage unless there's some "conversation" had in the background and he's politely asked to leave.
Comer has come out in his defence and I wonder if there are others in the squad who support him also or if there's a split in the squad? If the players want him to stay, then they truly are an average group with no real ambitions of winning an All Ireland.
That all said, the problems with the squad go beyond a change in management. They won't suddenly pull their socks up and start contesting All Ireland finals if they get a new manager. Attitude adjustment needed in the squad.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on July 12, 2019, 02:02:56 AM
Galway might as well pack it in for another year if Walsh is staying in charge
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on July 12, 2019, 01:25:13 PM
Paddy Durcan out injured so Lee Keegan starts according to the Connacht Telegraph. Big blow, he would have been marking Stephen O'Brien.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 14, 2019, 05:51:23 PM
Galway might as well pack it in for another year if Walsh is staying in charge

Match today in Killarney showed just how miles off Galway were this year, we got whipped up and down the Limerick pitch by an outfit that were absolutely cleaned out in every line of the pitch today against Kerry.
Changes are required, whether we'll see them or not is another story.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 14, 2019, 07:16:03 PM
Looks like we would have taken a serious beating today for sure.
Our defence wouldn’t have been able to cope with that Kerry display
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: mouview on July 15, 2019, 10:24:29 AM
We're as far from winning big as Cork are from Liam McCarthy. Total new approach and at least half a new panel required I feel if we're to make any progress.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: WhoDat on July 15, 2019, 11:18:30 AM
Galway are way behind what is required at this level. As I said, it's not down solely to management but players as well. Surgery required.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2019, 11:35:15 AM
Galway are way behind what is required at this level. As I said, it's not down solely to management but players as well. Surgery required.

A team that can look way behind one year can be transformed relatively quickly under the right management. We see examples of it every year.

That said it looks like Walsh is probably going to be staying so probably a moot point now. We can expect more of the same more than likely.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 15, 2019, 11:41:45 AM
Hard to be optimistic at the minute for 2020 if it stays as is.
We are now also well into our longest All Ireland football final appearance drought since we first made it to one in 1919.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 15, 2019, 11:50:53 AM
We're as far from winning big as Cork are from Liam McCarthy. Total new approach and at least half a new panel required I feel if we're to make any progress.
There isn’t half a new panel of the required standard in Galway right now so we will more or less see much of the current panel there again next year.  Change of approach badly needed though and I don’t see that happening under KW if he’s still there.  Hard to be optimistic. 😟
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2019, 01:49:37 PM
Hard to be optimistic at the minute for 2020 if it stays as is.
We are now also well into our longest All Ireland football final appearance drought since we first made it to one in 1919.

I wouldn't be too worried about losing all Irelands as a measure of quality
It never did Mayo any use

I read yesterday that this decade is the first since the 1890s in which Cork hurlers didn't win an all Ireland. That must hurt 
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 15, 2019, 02:35:03 PM
Hard to be optimistic at the minute for 2020 if it stays as is.
We are now also well into our longest All Ireland football final appearance drought since we first made it to one in 1919.
I wouldn't be too worried about losing all Irelands as a measure of quality
It never did Mayo any use

I'm not so sure about that, need to be getting there or thereabouts in my opinion regardless of the result, no one 21 or under in the county has any recollection of Galway in an All Ireland football final and the resultant hype and interest levels in the county that it brings with it. Mayo don't have a top tier hurling team to compete with for hearts and minds either.
On that bigger level, some of the stand out players for the minor hurlers yesterday were from Moycullen, Mountbellew and Ballygar, now while a good portion of hurling people in the county will be delighted with that spread out from the traditional heartlands, it's a development that should fill anyone from the football ends of the county with some trepidation for the future. This follows on from the ten dual minor players last year having to pick which code to play, with 9 opting for the small ball. Both sides made their respective finals and the footballers were the ones that lost.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 15, 2019, 02:51:14 PM
Hard to be optimistic at the minute for 2020 if it stays as is.
We are now also well into our longest All Ireland football final appearance drought since we first made it to one in 1919.
I wouldn't be too worried about losing all Irelands as a measure of quality
It never did Mayo any use

I'm not so sure about that, need to be getting there or thereabouts in my opinion regardless of the result, no one 21 or under in the county has any recollection of Galway in an All Ireland football final and the resultant hype and interest levels in the county that it brings with it. Mayo don't have a top tier hurling team to compete with for hearts and minds either.
On that bigger level, some of the stand out players for the minor hurlers yesterday were from Moycullen, Mountbellew and Ballygar

Two best players on the Galway minor hurling team that beat Kilkenny yesterday were from Mountbellew and Ballygar. Both were brilliant.

Not that uncommon at underage now. Kilcommins from Annaghdown was a brilliant minor last year and was on the Galway U-20 team this year. Although I hear he's also very good at the rugby may go down that route.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 15, 2019, 02:53:46 PM
Hard to be optimistic at the minute for 2020 if it stays as is.
We are now also well into our longest All Ireland football final appearance drought since we first made it to one in 1919.
I wouldn't be too worried about losing all Irelands as a measure of quality
It never did Mayo any use

I'm not so sure about that, need to be getting there or thereabouts in my opinion regardless of the result, no one 21 or under in the county has any recollection of Galway in an All Ireland football final and the resultant hype and interest levels in the county that it brings with it. Mayo don't have a top tier hurling team to compete with for hearts and minds either.
On that bigger level, some of the stand out players for the minor hurlers yesterday were from Moycullen, Mountbellew and Ballygar, now while a good portion of hurling people in the county will be delighted with that spread out from the traditional heartlands, it's a development that should fill anyone from the football ends of the county with some trepidation for the future. This follows on from the ten dual minor players last year having to pick which code to play, with 9 opting for the small ball. Both sides made their respective finals and the footballers were the ones that lost.

Was last year not a case of getting there or thereabouts? reached the NFL final and All Ireland semi final if Dublin wasn't the opponents in both games Galway might have won both who knows?

Now this year was a big fall back on where Galway was in 2018 especially in the championship. Similar to Mayo's exit in last summer and the Mayo county board decided to remove Rochford from his position a debate ongoing if it was the right one.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 15, 2019, 03:33:09 PM
Last year was progress certainly, this year I would have expected Galway to build on that but sadly it didn't pan out like that at all in the Championship.
I personally have no issue with the style of play employed by KW at all once it's effective, working and winning matches, I have seen enough "nice" ineffective football from the Galway county team to last me a lifetime. I would have been happy to see any incremental improvement this year (not necessarily an All Ireland final appearance either but in terms of how the team played) but the performances were bad all through the business end of the year, I mean even in London I was watching the match thinking "we're playing pure useless". If we had played well and just got caught out by another team playing out of their skins then that's easy to accept. Some of the criticism of KW has been way over the top but at the end of the day the results and performances don't lie.
If KW changes up a few things and has better luck with injuries then maybe he can turn it around next year again, I'm sure he thinks this himself and I hope he's right but history isn't on his side.

For all the mockery, the "68 years and counting" etc. our nearest and dearest across the border have contested 7 All Ireland finals (including the replay) in the period since the Galway Seniors last saw the Croke Park sod on All Ireland final day, they took some serious lumps in 04/06 but this decade they have inspired the next generation in Mayo, regardless of Sam Maguire not making it to Castlebar.
Seafoid's point about not getting there just to lose is valid but at what point do you look around and start thinking "Are we ever going to get back there?", because to be fully honest I always expected Galway to come back to the top end at some point, nationally our lot has been periods of drought punctuated by the odd great team, but this trough period is as bad as it's been at this stage and we are in a worse position today than we were in August 2018.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 15, 2019, 03:58:51 PM
Galway are way behind what is required at this level. As I said, it's not down solely to management but players as well. Surgery required.

I would go a lot further than that, a thorough review of Galway GAA is needed, with the outcome being a proper strategic plan aka The Blue wave.

Ask your clubs county board delegate to give you a run down on what has happened at county board level for the past twelve months up to and including the last meeting and you will see as a county we're a joke.

There has been a lot of talk about Kevin adopting the Corofin game plan, but very few people are saying all the clubs in Galway should be adopting the Corofin approach at underage, we're fixated with short term solutions.

In contrast Mayo aren't perfect, but they have appointed a commercial officer of late and made a considerable amount of money from their trip to NYC.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 15, 2019, 04:22:37 PM
Definite need to push football more in hurling areas
Hurling seems to be growing in west Galway and in more traditional football areas
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on July 15, 2019, 04:59:38 PM
Galway are way behind what is required at this level. As I said, it's not down solely to management but players as well. Surgery required.

I would go a lot further than that, a thorough review of Galway GAA is needed, with the outcome being a proper strategic plan aka The Blue wave.

Amen.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2019, 05:06:20 PM
Last year was progress certainly, this year I would have expected Galway to build on that but sadly it didn't pan out like that at all in the Championship.
I personally have no issue with the style of play employed by KW at all once it's effective, working and winning matches, I have seen enough "nice" ineffective football from the Galway county team to last me a lifetime. I would have been happy to see any incremental improvement this year (not necessarily an All Ireland final appearance either but in terms of how the team played) but the performances were bad all through the business end of the year, I mean even in London I was watching the match thinking "we're playing pure useless". If we had played well and just got caught out by another team playing out of their skins then that's easy to accept. Some of the criticism of KW has been way over the top but at the end of the day the results and performances don't lie.
If KW changes up a few things and has better luck with injuries then maybe he can turn it around next year again, I'm sure he thinks this himself and I hope he's right but history isn't on his side.

For all the mockery, the "68 years and counting" etc. our nearest and dearest across the border have contested 7 All Ireland finals (including the replay) in the period since the Galway Seniors last saw the Croke Park sod on All Ireland final day, they took some serious lumps in 04/06 but this decade they have inspired the next generation in Mayo, regardless of Sam Maguire not making it to Castlebar.
Seafoid's point about not getting there just to lose is valid but at what point do you look around and start thinking "Are we ever going to get back there?", because to be fully honest I always expected Galway to come back to the top end at some point, nationally our lot has been periods of drought punctuated by the odd great team, but this trough period is as bad as it's been at this stage and we are in a worse position today than we were in August 2018.

The intro to a year til Sunday shows the 3 lost finals of the 70s . Very like Mayo recently, in fact.  What good did they do anyone?

83 could have gone either way. Didn't lead to anything either.
98 didn't need a lost final.  They just turned up and executed the plan.
The hurlers have lost enough finals for the next millennium.
There have been 3 really great Galway teams:

1930s had 34 and 38
1960s had 3 in a row
late 90s had 98 and 01

Outliers were 1925 and 1956
9 football all Irelands is a great haul for a dual county , in fairness. Together with the hurling it comes comes to around 1 per decade.

An uncle of my father, from hurling country in Turloughmore, used to say that the men around Clonberne and beyond were different. If they got a team together they could beat anyone, even Kerry.  What is frustrating about now is the mediocrity after a good few years of incremental progress.
 
 I wouldn't swap 2001 for all the Mayo finals since.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 15, 2019, 06:34:19 PM
Rochford becoming Galway manager next year and straightening those players out after dumping Mayo out of the Super 8s with Donegal this year would be a bitter pill for Mayo to swallow.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: From the Bunker on July 15, 2019, 07:42:55 PM
Rochford becoming Galway manager next year and straightening those players out after dumping Mayo out of the Super 8s with Donegal this year would be a bitter pill for Mayo to swallow.

It won't!
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on July 15, 2019, 10:50:34 PM
Galway are way behind what is required at this level. As I said, it's not down solely to management but players as well. Surgery required.

I would go a lot further than that, a thorough review of Galway GAA is needed, with the outcome being a proper strategic plan aka The Blue wave.

Ask your clubs county board delegate to give you a run down on what has happened at county board level for the past twelve months up to and including the last meeting and you will see as a county we're a joke.

There has been a lot of talk about Kevin adopting the Corofin game plan, but very few people are saying all the clubs in Galway should be adopting the Corofin approach at underage, we're fixated with short term solutions.

In contrast Mayo aren't perfect, but they have appointed a commercial officer of late and made a considerable amount of money from their trip to NYC.

If Kevin stays on another year I hope he at least changes things up in the back room staff a bit starting with a new coach, we seriously missed Paddy Tally this year. Can't help feeling it'll be another lost year though  :-\ A lot of talk about Kevin adopting the 'Corofin approach,' not that easy! Those Corofin lads have that bred into them from the first day they walk in the gate at underage, can't expect a team to just decide to start playing like that. As AFA said, the style Kevin uses doesn't bother me too much when it's effective, but when you get what we got this year it's obviously not working.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: moysider on July 16, 2019, 12:17:47 AM
Galway are way behind what is required at this level. As I said, it's not down solely to management but players as well. Surgery required.

I would go a lot further than that, a thorough review of Galway GAA is needed, with the outcome being a proper strategic plan aka The Blue wave.

Ask your clubs county board delegate to give you a run down on what has happened at county board level for the past twelve months up to and including the last meeting and you will see as a county we're a joke.

There has been a lot of talk about Kevin adopting the Corofin game plan, but very few people are saying all the clubs in Galway should be adopting the Corofin approach at underage, we're fixated with short term solutions.

In contrast Mayo aren't perfect, but they have appointed a commercial officer of late and made a considerable amount of money from their trip to NYC.

If Kevin stays on another year I hope he at least changes things up in the back room staff a bit starting with a new coach, we seriously missed Paddy Tally this year. Can't help feeling it'll be another lost year though  :-\ A lot of talk about Kevin adopting the 'Corofin approach,' not that easy! Those Corofin lads have that bred into them from the first day they walk in the gate at underage, can't expect a team to just decide to start playing like that. As AFA said, the style Kevin uses doesn't bother me too much when it's effective, but when you get what we got this year it's obviously not working.

A Kevin Walsh team would not be humiliated like Mayo was in Killarney. Walsh is practical and that is important. As I said earlier, I would love if Walsh was replaced by some romantic.

Forget about the 'Corofin  approach' and amazed people buy into that tbh.

Walsh won't anyway and he would be a fool to do so.
Used to be the same stuff about Armagh and Crossmaglen and their kick passing that Joe Brolly used to go on about.
Club football compared to Super8s is like comparing League of Ireland to 1/4 finals of the Champions League.
Different sport for all intents and purposes.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: galwayman on July 16, 2019, 06:51:27 AM
Best of luck playing like Corofin do at county level.
Club and county = chalk and cheese.
Was interested to listen to an interview on the radio with Gary Sice I think two days after their club win this year, where he said exactly that - I.e. county is a whole other ball game.
And that’s a man that would know what he’s talking about having walked the walk.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 17, 2019, 08:24:01 AM
I see Mark Gottsche is the new finance operations manager. He'll be responsible for commercial partnerships too.

https://www.tuamherald.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2019/07/17/4177017-galway-gaa-appoint-financeoperations-manager/

Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: mouview on July 17, 2019, 04:30:29 PM
Galway are way behind what is required at this level. As I said, it's not down solely to management but players as well. Surgery required.

I would go a lot further than that, a thorough review of Galway GAA is needed, with the outcome being a proper strategic plan aka The Blue wave.

Ask your clubs county board delegate to give you a run down on what has happened at county board level for the past twelve months up to and including the last meeting and you will see as a county we're a joke.

There has been a lot of talk about Kevin adopting the Corofin game plan, but very few people are saying all the clubs in Galway should be adopting the Corofin approach at underage, we're fixated with short term solutions.

In contrast Mayo aren't perfect, but they have appointed a commercial officer of late and made a considerable amount of money from their trip to NYC.

If Kevin stays on another year I hope he at least changes things up in the back room staff a bit starting with a new coach, we seriously missed Paddy Tally this year. Can't help feeling it'll be another lost year though  :-\ A lot of talk about Kevin adopting the 'Corofin approach,' not that easy! Those Corofin lads have that bred into them from the first day they walk in the gate at underage, can't expect a team to just decide to start playing like that. As AFA said, the style Kevin uses doesn't bother me too much when it's effective, but when you get what we got this year it's obviously not working.

A Kevin Walsh team would not be humiliated like Mayo was in Killarney. Walsh is practical and that is important. As I said earlier, I would love if Walsh was replaced by some romantic.

Forget about the 'Corofin  approach' and amazed people buy into that tbh.

Walsh won't anyway and he would be a fool to do so.
Used to be the same stuff about Armagh and Crossmaglen and their kick passing that Joe Brolly used to go on about.
Club football compared to Super8s is like comparing League of Ireland to 1/4 finals of the Champions League.
Different sport for all intents and purposes.

All of KW's season-ending defeats (bar Mayo probably) were by good margins, the Tipperary one was a real humiliation. We'd have got hockeyed last Sunday.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: thebackbar1 on August 13, 2019, 12:00:52 PM
The word going around now is that Kevin Walsh is staying on but with a new backroom team as the current selectors aren't coming back.

The only hope is that he won't be able to source new selectors, or more unlikely that the board doesn't accept his new selectors.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Gael85 on August 13, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
The word going around now is that Kevin Walsh is staying on but with a new backroom team as the current selectors aren't coming back.

The only hope is that he won't be able to source new selectors, or more unlikely that the board doesn't accept his new selectors.

Who were the selectors?
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Duine Eile on August 13, 2019, 01:01:16 PM
The word going around now is that Kevin Walsh is staying on but with a new backroom team as the current selectors aren't coming back.

The only hope is that he won't be able to source new selectors, or more unlikely that the board doesn't accept his new selectors.

Who were the selectors?

Brian Silke and Sean Conlon. Kevin Stritch was the coach and there was someone else doing S and C. This year's performances would suggest serious changes are needed in the coaching set up.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: WhoDat on August 15, 2019, 03:51:18 PM
kevin really was never going to go was he? backed by several members of the squad to, im hearing. the team will do nothing next year either. too many players who are happy to be intercounty players but no real ambitions beyond that
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: Blowitupref on August 15, 2019, 03:58:33 PM
kevin really was never going to go was he? backed by several members of the squad to, im hearing. the team will do nothing next year either. too many players who are happy to be intercounty players but no real ambitions beyond that

Was 2018 doing nothing also? reached the Div 1 final and AI semi final lets not forget.
Title: Re: Galway V Mayo R4 Qualifier
Post by: MayoBuck on August 15, 2019, 09:03:12 PM
With the Super 8 draw next year it will be even more important to win Connacht. The likely fixtures for the Connacht winner would be...

Home vs Munster runner up (Cork?)
Croke Park vs Ulster champion
Away to Leinster runner up (Kildare/Meath?)

Losing the Connacht final would put you into the other group with Dublin, Kerry and possibly Tyrone/Donegal if one of them loses the Ulster final.

The 1st scenario is a bit more favourable!