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Title: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 10, 2019, 01:16:21 PM
 Just read that fixtures are out this Thursday  :o


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 01:50:12 PM
Oh yes, two horse race though. Hard to see anything happening that would change the order really of this season. Maybe Arsenal / Chelsea shift a few spots down. Spurs / Utd potentially replace those.

Interesting to see the promoted teams-as always they'll be written off but no doubt 1 at least will stay up.

Brigton under immense pressure straight off the bat. Southampton have been asking for trouble for a few years too. Newcastle will be praying the takeover happens, if it doesn't, maybe not even Rafa can save them.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Way too early to speculate given there's a summer of transfers to occur, but here goes.....

I don't think there's any way Liverpool will match the points total of last year, but high 80s, maybe 90 is doable.

So need City to regress a bit to give us a chance of winning the league. To put 2 back-to-back league seasons together like they have is incredible. Losing Kompany will be a big dent, and I've an inkling that Sergio will move on (clearly doesn't get on with Pep), and he'd be a huge loss. Although no doubt they'll spend big again and add some new names.

Assuming Chelsea lose Hazard, then I think United are best placed for 3rd. Although I'm very unsure about Solksjaer.

I think if any of the top 6 get their hands on Declan Rice it would improve them hugely. 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Puckoon on June 10, 2019, 02:55:19 PM
Way too early to speculate given there's a summer of transfers to occur, but here goes.....

I don't think there's any way Liverpool will match the points total of last year, but high 80s, maybe 90 is doable.

So need City to regress a bit to give us a chance of winning the league. To put 2 back-to-back league seasons together like they have is incredible. Losing Kompany will be a big dent, and I've an inkling that Sergio will move on (clearly doesn't get on with Pep), and he'd be a huge loss. Although no doubt they'll spend big again and add some new names.

Assuming Chelsea lose Hazard, then I think United are best placed for 3rd. Although I'm very unsure about Solksjaer.

I think if any of the top 6 get their hands on Declan Rice it would improve them hugely.

Think it's already official - revealed by RM last week.

Hard to see much change at the top. With Chelsea losing hazard I think it makes the battle for 3rd and 4th a little more open.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ziggy90 on June 10, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: toby47 on June 11, 2019, 08:32:06 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

Not a hope
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 11, 2019, 10:06:18 AM
It's just great to be involved again. Up the Villa.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Esmarelda on June 11, 2019, 10:13:59 AM
Did Kompany play that much, bar the latter games?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ziggy90 on June 11, 2019, 10:28:04 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2019, 10:34:45 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 11, 2019, 10:41:02 AM
#ouryear
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 11, 2019, 10:46:38 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

Echo's of Coutinho, Suarez, Torres et al.

Although Liverpool look to be on or at the top of the upward curve.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ziggy90 on June 11, 2019, 10:53:36 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

That may or may not be the case but in the modern game the only thing that matters is ££'s.
I'd say Van Dijk is the one player who Pep would really covet, (for his football ability and leadership qualities) and if he decides to make a play for him iI'd say you wouldn't want to bet your house against him going.
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical but it's my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 11, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
Shocking use of the quote function boys. 

EVERY player has his price but in the normal scheme of things I'd see no way he'd leave Liverpool for City
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: toby47 on June 11, 2019, 11:15:53 AM
In the Pep/City documentary on Amazon prime last year city pulled out of the race for Van Dijk as they didn't value him at 75million.

A bad error of judgement
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2019, 11:29:45 AM
Agreed that every player has his price but I think the CL win will have caused a fair shift in the power balance in terms of being able to retain players.  If there was no trophy after the season we had you could imagine players could get twitchy but that is unlikely now....particularly to the closest rivals.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 11:54:27 AM
It would take a ludicrous amount of money to make liverpool willing to sell him. Without him they'd have had no title challenge or no champions league so that is a pretty large worth in there.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: TabClear on June 11, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
It would take a ludicrous amount of money to make liverpool willing to sell him. Without him they'd have had no title challenge or no champions league so that is a pretty large worth in there.

This. You cannot replace him in his current form. Yes Gomez looked to be coming good before is injury and Matip had a decent 2nd half to the season  and I suppose theoretically you could use the money to sign De Ligt or someone similar but any defence in the world is weaker without VVD. Never mind the fact that selling him to your closest rival this year. Liverpool have about 3 years where this team could be at their peak given the age profile, if they are going to compete for the PL again next season VVD has to be there.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 11, 2019, 12:32:23 PM
What was VVD like at Celtic? I never really seen him play there.

You’d think if he really was that good up there, a bigger club than Southampton would’ve come in for him?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 11, 2019, 12:39:02 PM
What was VVD like at Celtic? I never really seen him play there.

You’d think if he really was that good up there, a bigger club than Southampton would’ve come in for him?

He was top class at Celtic.  Clear as day that he was above Southampton, with all due respect.  Amazing that CL clubs didn't take a punt.  Stigma of the SPL I guess.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 11, 2019, 12:52:38 PM

I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

That may or may not be the case but in the modern game the only thing that matters is ££'s.
I'd say Van Dijk is the one player who Pep would really covet, (for his football ability and leadership qualities) and if he decides to make a play for him iI'd say you wouldn't want to bet your house against him going.
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical but it's my honest opinion.

Rubbish. We would never sell him to City and I don’t think he’d be interested in that move either.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 11, 2019, 12:56:18 PM
He will want to be Liverpools highest earner soon. De Ligt is going to be offered 235K a week plus at his new club.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: trailer on June 11, 2019, 01:39:55 PM

I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

That may or may not be the case but in the modern game the only thing that matters is ££'s.
I'd say Van Dijk is the one player who Pep would really covet, (for his football ability and leadership qualities) and if he decides to make a play for him iI'd say you wouldn't want to bet your house against him going.
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical but it's my honest opinion.

Rubbish. We would never sell him to City and I don’t think he’d be interested in that move either.

Sterling made that move and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that VVD would want to as well. The pound rules them all. If City offer £300k or £400k he'll be gone like shite of a shovel.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 11, 2019, 01:44:38 PM

I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

That may or may not be the case but in the modern game the only thing that matters is ££'s.
I'd say Van Dijk is the one player who Pep would really covet, (for his football ability and leadership qualities) and if he decides to make a play for him iI'd say you wouldn't want to bet your house against him going.
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical but it's my honest opinion.

Rubbish. We would never sell him to City and I don’t think he’d be interested in that move either.

Sterling made that move and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that VVD would want to as well. The pound rules them all. If City offer £300k or £400k he'll be gone like shite of a shovel.
That’s different. We weren’t challenging for league and champions league back then. He’s getting a new contract from Liverpool anyway so that’ll be 200k+
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2019, 01:49:40 PM
I love my job, but if someone doubles my wages, thats a serious offer..

Personally I think he woudnt even give it a moments thought, He's Liverpool through and through now. he's bedded in well and no reason not to give him the captains armband as he'll be playing all the games unlike Henderson
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: johnnycool on June 11, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
In the Pep/City documentary on Amazon prime last year city pulled out of the race for Van Dijk as they didn't value him at 75million.

A bad error of judgement

There were plenty on the Liverpool thread saying the same thing.

The market decides the value and Liverpool got more of a player than they thought.

A veritable bargain.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Armamike on June 11, 2019, 02:05:51 PM
Reading this thread, i thought Man city had just made an offer for Virgil!  He ain't going nowhere anytime soon!

Players want to go to Liverpool now and play under Klopp.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
I love my job, but if someone doubles my wages, thats a serious offer..

Personally I think he woudnt even give it a moments thought, He's Liverpool through and through now. he's bedded in well and no reason not to give him the captains armband as he'll be playing all the games unlike Henderson

That's different. You most likely have a notice period in your job. Liverpool don't have to allow him to speak to city, hypothetically, within his contract period.

City are great team with huge earning potential but there is something quite sterile about the whole place. A guy like that would probably only go to Real , Barca or whatever.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Dire Ear on June 11, 2019, 03:39:09 PM
Klopp is the key
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on June 11, 2019, 03:45:11 PM
He was offered more money by City, when Liverpool were making their move for him.. He isn't going to leave now and on the verge of signing a new contract
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 11, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
When I said every player has his price I was more thinking of the price Liverpool wouldnt be able to refuse for him rather than wages he'd want from City.

Pie in the sky anyway, ain't happening even with Citys creative accountancy  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 11, 2019, 05:29:14 PM
When I said every player has his price I was more thinking of the price Liverpool wouldnt be able to refuse for him rather than wages he'd want from City.

Pie in the sky anyway, ain't happening even Citys creative accountancy  ;)

Certainly would be the maddest transfer in EPL history for me.

Can you imagine? 1 point off league winners, sell their most important defender to the side which pipped them to the title.

They would riot in Liverpool  ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 13, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
Fixtures are out this morning and Chelsea v Utd is probably the standout tie of the opening weekend.  Liverpool to get things going on the Friday night v Norwich.

Villa with a tidy wee trip away to the new Spurs stadium.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on July 12, 2019, 03:22:36 PM
Peter Crouch retires. Thought he might have stayed one more year at Burnley as a long ball sub.

He seems to have already carved out nice wee earners post-retirement with a book launched and his podcasts.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: TabClear on July 13, 2019, 07:35:00 PM
Peter Crouch retires. Thought he might have stayed one more year at Burnley as a long ball sub.

He seems to have already carved out nice wee earners post-retirement with a book launched and his podcasts.

Good article on him here. Be a great man to have a pint with by the sounds of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48965686
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2019, 09:18:52 PM
Way too early to speculate given there's a summer of transfers to occur, but here goes.....

I don't think there's any way Liverpool will match the points total of last year, but high 80s, maybe 90 is doable.

So need City to regress a bit to give us a chance of winning the league. To put 2 back-to-back league seasons together like they have is incredible. Losing Kompany will be a big dent, and I've an inkling that Sergio will move on (clearly doesn't get on with Pep), and he'd be a huge loss. Although no doubt they'll spend big again and add some new names.

Assuming Chelsea lose Hazard, then I think United are best placed for 3rd. Although I'm very unsure about Solksjaer.

I think if any of the top 6 get their hands on Declan Rice it would improve them hugely.

Utd won't finish near third unfortunately. Ashley Young as captain, says it all.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GJL on July 13, 2019, 10:46:39 PM
Way too early to speculate given there's a summer of transfers to occur, but here goes.....

I don't think there's any way Liverpool will match the points total of last year, but high 80s, maybe 90 is doable.

So need City to regress a bit to give us a chance of winning the league. To put 2 back-to-back league seasons together like they have is incredible. Losing Kompany will be a big dent, and I've an inkling that Sergio will move on (clearly doesn't get on with Pep), and he'd be a huge loss. Although no doubt they'll spend big again and add some new names.

Assuming Chelsea lose Hazard, then I think United are best placed for 3rd. Although I'm very unsure about Solksjaer.

I think if any of the top 6 get their hands on Declan Rice it would improve them hugely.

Utd won't finish near third unfortunately. Ashley Young as captain, says it all.

He was only captain for today. Can't see him keeping the armband at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on July 18, 2019, 06:05:33 PM
Bruce will need to get off to a flyer with Newcastle, otherwise he’ll be hounded. I don’t think it will end well.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 18, 2019, 07:13:16 PM
Bruce will need to get off to a flyer with Newcastle, otherwise he’ll be hounded. I don’t think it will end well.

Needs to get moving in the transfer market too. They barely have a team and there are only 4 weeks until the window closes.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 19, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Bruce will need to get off to a flyer with Newcastle, otherwise he’ll be hounded. I don’t think it will end well.

Just looking at their first 10 or so fixtures here. What's your points estimate? I'm giving them a generous 7 pts.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on September 15, 2019, 06:41:03 PM
If Utd had a second half like that this place would be hopping...

Watford 31 chances Arsenal 7  :o and the defending for the 1st Watford goal was shambolic.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 15, 2019, 07:30:26 PM
How many points has Luiz cost already!?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on September 16, 2019, 10:12:56 AM
Liverpool's to lose
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2019, 10:24:08 AM
What was going on with Arsenal's kickouts? Ludicrous.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 16, 2019, 10:36:03 AM
The Gooners thread hasn't had a post since 8th Aug so tells how much interest there is in them!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 16, 2019, 11:01:29 AM
Bruce will need to get off to a flyer with Newcastle, otherwise he’ll be hounded. I don’t think it will end well.

Just looking at their first 10 or so fixtures here. What's your points estimate? I'm giving them a generous 7 pts.

Halfway there and it's going to be tight. Newcastle with a wonder victory at Spurs out of nowhere.

Wolves.....are they in trouble?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2019, 11:09:49 AM
I really hope they don't sack the manager. That eurpoa league is a curse too. Happened to burnley last year.

Can't believe watford sacked their manager - he was a good one too.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on September 16, 2019, 02:38:31 PM
I really hope they don't sack the manager. That eurpoa league is a curse too. Happened to burnley last year.

Can't believe watford sacked their manager - he was a good one too.
Throwing away the FA Cup semi final was a massive blow to the club. They will get back on track but I'd say it'll depend on how patient the fans are with the manager. If they start to turn, the owners will follow suit.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on September 17, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
Reports John Stones is out for five weeks after picking up a muscle injury in training this morning.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
I really hope they don't sack the manager. That eurpoa league is a curse too. Happened to burnley last year.

Can't believe watford sacked their manager - he was a good one too.
Throwing away the FA Cup semi final was a massive blow to the club. They will get back on track but I'd say it'll depend on how patient the fans are with the manager. If they start to turn, the owners will follow suit.

Yeah I hope they don't . I think he's a great manager. Funny how it's Watford who got to the final so you'd think would have held on longer on the back of that although I guess they didn't have last year's league placing so much as Wolves did.

Stones easily replaceable for City.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on September 17, 2019, 06:19:12 PM

Stones easily replaceable for City.

Who with?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2019, 09:03:59 PM
Hmmm actually looking at it maybe not so easy replaced with otamendi out too.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on September 17, 2019, 10:41:16 PM
Hmmm actually looking at it maybe not so easy replaced with otamendi out too.

Laporte you mean?

Fernandinho will probably have to slot in back there or move Walker across
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 18, 2019, 07:09:30 AM
Yes him lol.

Yeah was thinking fernandinho. Might make the league possible for Liverpool.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on October 05, 2019, 07:57:59 PM
How many clubs are in crisis with managers position in doubt?

United - Obviously
Spurs
Everton
Newcastle
Watford
Norwich - maybe
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on October 05, 2019, 09:10:07 PM
I'd be surprised if Norwich make a change. They're injury ravaged at the minute just. Everton is a big possibility.

Spurs are a complete shambles. I wasn't believing the whole affair stuff but there is def something seriously wrong in that camp.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2019, 09:19:12 PM
Southampton 0 Leicester 7 still 30 minutes to play  :o
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 25, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Thats the sort of result could get a manager sacked..
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on October 25, 2019, 09:53:09 PM
Beat 9-0 at home.
 :o
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2019, 09:56:27 PM
Beat 9-0 at home.
 :o

Biggest ever Premier league away win. Equaled the biggest win, Manchester United 9 Ipswich 0 in 1995.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: yellowcard on October 25, 2019, 09:57:34 PM
How long will Leicester keep Rodgers before a bigger club comes calling? I thought they would be top 6 before the season started but they have a good chance of finishing top 4.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Square Ball on October 25, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
How many clubs are in crisis with managers position in doubt?

United - Obviously
Spurs
Everton
Newcastle
Watford
Norwich - maybe
Southampton
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on October 25, 2019, 11:03:21 PM
United to beat Norwich 10-0 on Sunday and claim back the highest PL win. You heard it here first. And last.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: mrdeeds on October 26, 2019, 10:42:57 AM
How many clubs are in crisis with managers position in doubt?

United - Obviously
Spurs
Everton
Newcastle
Watford
Norwich - maybe
Southampton

Arsenal
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on October 27, 2019, 11:05:44 PM
Players going mad celebrating, then VAR disallows the goal. Man, they look stupid when that happens.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on October 28, 2019, 12:06:42 AM
I thought the VAR sanctioned  decision to award the penalty to Liverpool was way out of order. The theory was that Mane got his foot ahead of the Spurs defender  therefore  he had priority right before he recieved a whack on his leg. But after reviewing all the angles, it was clear that Mane tripped or was was attemping to trip the Spurs defender in his attempt to get his foot into the mix. It should have been a free out. How on earth  it can be a penalty when the defender is in the process of striking the ball and the attecking player sticks his foot in and trips him up, defies justice and the laws.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2019, 12:12:37 AM
I thought the VAR sanctioned  decision to award the penalty to Liverpool was way out of order. The theory was that Mane got his foot ahead of the Spurs defender  therefore  he had priority right before he recieved a whack on his leg. But after reviewing all the angles, it was clear that Mane tripped or was was attemping to trip the Spurs defender in his attempt to get his foot into the mix. It should have been a free out. How on earth  it can be a penalty when the defender is in the process of striking the ball and the attecking player sticks his foot in and trips him up, defies justice and the laws.

Apparently nothing wrong with the penalty.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on October 28, 2019, 01:05:11 AM
I thought the VAR sanctioned  decision to award the penalty to Liverpool was way out of order. The theory was that Mane got his foot ahead of the Spurs defender  therefore  he had priority right before he recieved a whack on his leg. But after reviewing all the angles, it was clear that Mane tripped or was was attemping to trip the Spurs defender in his attempt to get his foot into the mix. It should have been a free out. How on earth  it can be a penalty when the defender is in the process of striking the ball and the attecking player sticks his foot in and trips him up, defies justice and the laws.

I think, as the rules stand, this is definitely a penalty (because technically the defender kicked the attacker's leg), however, this is one of those cases that make you wonder about the rule.  Mane cleverly won the penalty by deliberately sticking his leg between the defender's kicking foot and the ball.   Reminds me of basketball: if you establish position before the opponent, and there is contact, you win the free, regardless of context.   

Also reminds me of a very different penalty award in a WC game some years ago between Italy and Australia.  Aussie defender had his leg out after a sliding tackle, Italian attacker saw the leg remaining outstretched and ran into it without attempting to avoid it.  Clear penalty by the rules, but more a case of a smart attacker taking advantage rather than a defender actually fouling.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Link on October 28, 2019, 09:03:47 AM
Mane gets his foot between defender and ball. Before he can take a touch he is kicked on the calf. Mane does not initiate the contact so how you can say he tried to trip him?

Clumsy by Aurier and a stone wall pen.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on October 28, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
Didn’t Spurs get the exact same penalty two seasons ago when Kane moved in front of Van Dijk as he was in the process of kicking the ball? It was in injury time after Salah’s wonder goal put Liverpool 2-1 up.

These days, it’s a penalty. Intentions don’t come into it.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on October 28, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
Didn’t Spurs get the exact same penalty two seasons ago when Kane moved in front of Van Dijk as he was in the process of kicking the ball? It was in injury time after Salah’s wonder goal put Liverpool 2-1 up.

These days, it’s a penalty. Intentions don’t come into it.

It was Lamela
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on October 28, 2019, 05:34:03 PM
Liverpool biased opinions have little or no objective value.

Live and in the first replay it looks a typical penalty, smart agressive attacking play but on the further replays 3 and 4, it looks that Mane sticks the legs in and  trips him up. 
I could sense some doubt from Andy Gray on Bein sports  but (unusually) he wasn't sure of his ground.
 From 4.45mins onwards
http://livetv223.me/enx/showvideo/762637_liverpool_tottenham/
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on November 07, 2019, 09:22:23 PM
Not quite premier league but Michael O’neill leaving ni. Big news. Hard to see them getting as capable a manager again.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on November 07, 2019, 10:04:11 PM
Risky enough move,. They are bottom of the Championship. Financially a good move, doubles his wages from what he was on with NI. He's staying as Northern Ireland manager for final 2 Qualifiers.

Chris Coleman went from  being a good International manager to being Relegated to League 1 with Sunderland. Though it was maybe more down to Bale that he had success.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: under the bar on November 10, 2019, 01:30:20 AM
Risky enough move. Financially a good move, doubles his wages from what he was on with NI. He's staying as Northern Ireland manager for final 2 Qualifiers.

Chris Coleman went from  being a good International manager to being Relegated to League 1 with Sunderland. Though it was maybe more down to Bale that he had success.

Can't really see t that much risk in doubling your wages on a 4 year contract?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on November 19, 2019, 07:37:29 PM
Pochettino sacked.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2019, 04:18:32 PM
Vardy has scored in eight successive Premier League games for the second time in his career. This time around all the more impressive when you consider he'll turn 33 in January

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 04:34:09 PM
Leicester Liverpool on Boxing Day set up for a cracker.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2019, 04:48:00 PM
Leicester Liverpool on Boxing Day set up for a cracker.
What????
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 04:50:29 PM
what?? It is on Boxing Day is it not?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2019, 04:51:10 PM
what?? It is on Boxing Day is it not?
Again what?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 04:55:02 PM
I don’t understand....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2019, 04:56:46 PM
I don’t understand....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Stephen%27s_Day
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 04:58:02 PM
I know it is also called st Stephen’s day. Very odd thing to pick up on...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2019, 05:07:57 PM
Ah I'm only winding.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
 ;DWell up Leicester anyway ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on December 09, 2019, 10:06:45 AM
Leicester were quality at Villa Park yesterday.  Vardy is such a threat up top.  Pace in behind and tenacious at closing people down. I'd say they're a better over all team than the side that won them the league but Liverpool have just been in a different bracket.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: TabClear on December 09, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
Leicester were quality at Villa Park yesterday.  Vardy is such a threat up top.  Pace in behind and tenacious at closing people down. I'd say they're a better over all team than the side that won them the league but Liverpool have just been in a different bracket.

They have been outstanding. I think they have City and Liverpool back to back over the Xmas period which will go a long way to seeing where the title goes. An injury to Vardy and they would be in trouble but the same applies to Liverpool and VVD.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on December 09, 2019, 07:38:28 PM
Mourinho's last couple of Clubs

Chelsea
Inter
Real
Chelsea
United
Spurs
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Square Ball on December 27, 2019, 08:13:10 PM
What another ballix by VAR. No consistency whatsoever
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:21 PM
Interesting last 10 minutes in the Wolves v City Game!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 27, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Happy enough with that result.  :D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on December 27, 2019, 10:01:53 PM
Wolves are a great bit of stuff.

There’s a lot of manu and gooner supporters totally disillusioned with the game because of their owners sucking the life out of the club, and then players on massive money only putting in effort now and again.

Wolves have a super attitude and a super manager. They’d be the team to turn to for anyone looking for an English club to support, certainly won’t let you down in terms of effort and application.

They’d probably be higher in the league too but for their very early start to the season with the europa prelims.  Be very interesting to see how they go in the upcoming almost back to back games with Liverpool
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on December 27, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Missed the sending off today, and the replays at half time and full time were from poor angles.

Was it the ref’s initial decision to award red? Or did VAR upgrade from yellow to red?
Was it clear cut red with the benefit of replays or was it debatable?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 27, 2019, 10:18:12 PM
Agreed on wolves hound.

On another note - surely traore shoved mendy and it was a free kick??
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on December 27, 2019, 10:50:02 PM
Missed the sending off today, and the replays at half time and full time were from poor angles.

Was it the ref’s initial decision to award red? Or did VAR upgrade from yellow to red?
Was it clear cut red with the benefit of replays or was it debatable?
Red card all day long, no debate.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on December 27, 2019, 11:16:20 PM
Thanks MS
Agreed on wolves hound.

On another note - surely traore shoved mendy and it was a free kick??
Mendy was poor, but I probably would have given the free. If he’d gone down, it’s likely the ref would have blown
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: cadhlancian on December 28, 2019, 02:13:31 AM
True, ironically staying on his feet cost him. If he’d went over , 💯 it would have been a free out . Rare to see that on the defensive side of the ball . If Mendy had been the attacker and Traore the defender you’d have put the house on Mendy then falling over for a penalty ...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on December 28, 2019, 01:30:07 PM
 But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
 The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on December 28, 2019, 01:48:52 PM
But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
 The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

That's not illegal though provided the ball stays at your feet and under your control. Its simply using your body to shield the ball, same as any other spot on the field.

If the ball is out of your reach/control and you're stopping someone getting to it by backing in, shoving or blocking, then its obviously obstruction.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on December 28, 2019, 06:01:59 PM
But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
 The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

That's not illegal though provided the ball stays at your feet and under your control. Its simply using your body to shield the ball, same as any other spot on the field.

If the ball is out of your reach/control and you're stopping someone getting to it by backing in, shoving or blocking, then its obviously obstruction.
What I described  re "defenders using their body to shove attacking players away" is illegal and unintentionally you have confirmed it.

“Interpretation of the Laws of the Game and Guidelines for Referees”
"Shielding the ball is permitted. A player who places himself between an opponent and the ball for tactical reasons has not committed an offense as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent."

And referees have been very flexible in their interpretation of this guideline in favour of the defender.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on December 28, 2019, 06:06:59 PM
VAR  :-[
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: mouview on January 02, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on January 02, 2020, 02:59:09 PM
The absolute state of that VAR decision in the Burnley Villa game fs.  Ruling goals out because the back of your heel is millimetres offside.  I celebrated that Grealish goal but really the seed of doubt was then planted in my head that took the enjoyment from the next two legit goals.

Then Mee absolutely snaps Wesley with a scissor tackle (looks like its a season ender for him).  No free, no booking, no VAR.  Bin it. It's pointless. 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 02, 2020, 05:18:55 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Aughafad on January 02, 2020, 05:47:53 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

I shouldn't really bite, but feck it anyway.

If you bothered your arse actually watching the champions league final you'd know that the Ref awarded the penalty in the final not VAR, but hey that doesn't really suit your agenda.

Man city lost out due to Pep's cautious approach to the first leg at Spurs similar to the first leg at Anfield the previous year.

VAR is not the problem, people implementing it are.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Geoff Tipps on January 02, 2020, 08:58:34 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesn’t mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpool’s job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Geoff Tipps on January 03, 2020, 10:56:21 AM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesn’t mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpool’s job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2020, 12:08:35 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesn’t mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpool’s job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.

Yes. Look on YouTube or read the match reports from those games.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: screenexile on January 03, 2020, 12:43:21 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hlxak

Someone had posted it but it before me but it appears to be gone.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on January 03, 2020, 12:49:03 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hlxak

Someone had posted it but it before me but it appears to be gone.
That's the 2nd leg. I don't remember a disallowed goal in the 1st leg
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2020, 02:42:54 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hlxak

Someone had posted it but it before me but it appears to be gone.
That's the 2nd leg. I don't remember a disallowed goal in the 1st leg

As far as I remember, Sane had a goal wrongly struck off for offside at 3-0 in second half of the Anfield game.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Fionntamhnach on January 03, 2020, 03:16:19 PM
With current geopolitical tensions, there's a possibility that World War III could break out within the next couple of months but if it does, at least look on the bright side - it'll mean Liverpool will be denied the Premier League title.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on January 03, 2020, 03:53:54 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesn’t mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpool’s job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.

Yes. Look on YouTube or read the match reports from those games.

I don’t remember a disallowed goal either and don’t see anything in this report...https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2018/apr/04/liverpool-v-manchester-city-champions-league-quarter-final-first-leg-live?page=with:block-5ac523abe4b059f638f1692a

I actually remember Trent having a decent game against Sane
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesn’t mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpool’s job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.

Yes. Look on YouTube or read the match reports from those games.

I don’t remember a disallowed goal either and don’t see anything in this report...https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2018/apr/04/liverpool-v-manchester-city-champions-league-quarter-final-first-leg-live?page=with:block-5ac523abe4b059f638f1692a

I actually remember Trent having a decent game against Sane

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/04/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-champions-league-live-score-updates/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/04/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-champions-league-live-score-updates/)

This one has it... 86 minutes... although from the accompanying photo is looks incredibly tight.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on January 03, 2020, 04:33:27 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesn’t mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpool’s job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.

Yes. Look on YouTube or read the match reports from those games.

I don’t remember a disallowed goal either and don’t see anything in this report...https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2018/apr/04/liverpool-v-manchester-city-champions-league-quarter-final-first-leg-live?page=with:block-5ac523abe4b059f638f1692a

I actually remember Trent having a decent game against Sane

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/04/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-champions-league-live-score-updates/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/04/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-champions-league-live-score-updates/)

This one has it... 86 minutes... although from the accompanying photo is looks incredibly tight.

Oh gotcha...here it is on this link around the 10 min mark. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGmPus-SGg

Looked offside to me! ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 11, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
Leicester beat Southampton 9-0 at St Mary's Stadium in October and today Southampton beat Leicester 2-1 at the King Power Stadium.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2020, 05:14:22 PM
Leicester or City can’t mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 11, 2020, 05:22:43 PM
Leicester or City can’t mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

Yeah, ''Big''clubs like Arsenal and Man Utd have fallen asunder. Leicester were never going to be a threat as they have a small squad a heavily depend on a 33 year old up front. Man City are still the main challengers.

The lowest points total to win the league in a 38-game season was Manchester United's 75 in 1996-97. If you are good enough to win it you are good enough to win it
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 11, 2020, 05:29:26 PM
Leicester or City can’t mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

League has been over since pool beat city. Leicester were never going to challenge.  Expect spurs to shit the toilet tonight as they always do in big games. Liverpool 28/1 to remain unbeaten in league and win champions league is a  great bet
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2020, 09:19:04 PM
Leicester or City can’t mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

League has been over since pool beat city. Leicester were never going to challenge.  Expect spurs to shit the toilet tonight as they always do in big games. Liverpool 28/1 to remain unbeaten in league and win champions league is a  great bet

They’ll drop points, that be a mad bet, that’s why it’s 28/1
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 11, 2020, 09:29:01 PM
Very short odds, currently 4/1 for Champions League so basically offering 9/2 on being unbeaten in 17 league games..... Especially relevant if/when they still in CL when league is won, resting players etc etc
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2020, 11:59:23 PM
Will this be the earliest for winning the league?  So poor has been  the runner ups
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2020, 12:35:24 AM
Will this be the earliest for winning the league?  So poor has been  the runner ups

This was the easiest 1996/97!


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 12:47:28 AM
Will this be the earliest for winning the league?  So poor has been  the runner ups

This was the easiest 1996/97!




7 points difference has been the easiest? Wow
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 12:56:30 AM
Not even close...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2020, 02:16:36 AM
Will this be the earliest for winning the league?  So poor has been  the runner ups

This was the easiest 1996/97!




7 points difference has been the easiest? Wow

In 2016/17 Liverpool with a Sh!te Squad finished 4th in the League on 76!  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 12:37:00 PM
In the Southampton Leicester game long got a penalty and the Leicester defender got a yellow for the tackle. Var then deemed long was offside so it was no penalty.

It didn’t look like the yellow card was retracted... what happens here ? I assume it just stands? Seems a bit harsh if strictly speaking the ball isn’t still in play.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 01:07:25 PM
In the Southampton Leicester game long got a penalty and the Leicester defender got a yellow for the tackle. Var then deemed long was offside so it was no penalty.

It didn’t look like the yellow card was retracted... what happens here ? I assume it just stands? Seems a bit harsh if strictly speaking the ball isn’t still in play.

How many unintentional handballs are there in a game that go unpunished as the ref doesn’t see it, involved in the lead up to a goal it’s deemed an offence and goal chalked off, at what point do they stop looking back to?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
They mustn’t look back too far as I think there was an incorrect decision for a Liverpool throw in before their goal.

What if you get a red though and then var effectively  rules out that passage of play? Doesn’t seem right for that yellow or a scenario like a red which could happen.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 12, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
Leicester or City can’t mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

That’s the sort of shite we used to listen to over Armagh....LFC best team in Europe and the world....does that mean they’re shit too?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 01:43:40 PM
Leicester or City can’t mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

That’s the sort of shite we used to listen to over Armagh....LFC best team in Europe and the world....does that mean they’re shit too?

Just the teams around them are this year, Cross were brilliant for years so no comparison there
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on January 12, 2020, 01:57:34 PM
Now that Liverpool have the title wrapped up... can they go unbeaten through the whole league season?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 02:02:09 PM
Now that Liverpool have the title wrapped up... can they go unbeaten through the whole league season?

Like the great Arsenal team? I suppose it depends on the CL and injures but, who will beat them?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on January 12, 2020, 02:07:38 PM
Now that Liverpool have the title wrapped up... can they go unbeaten through the whole league season?
They don't have it wrapped up, and no Liverpool fan cares about the team going unbeaten, though losing next weekend wouldn't be nice  ;)
Only thing matters is winning the feckin thing.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2020, 02:18:50 PM
Now that Liverpool have the title wrapped up... can they go unbeaten through the whole league season?
They don't have it wrapped up, and no Liverpool fan cares about the team going unbeaten, though losing next weekend wouldn't be nice  ;)
Only thing matters is winning the feckin thing.

If we cross the finish line early and if we are still in the CL and if we are still in the FA Cup also. I'd say Klopp would play more weakened teams in the remaining games in the Premier League. But I'd say player welfare would be more important than breaking records that nobody really remembers.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 02:23:02 PM
They mustn’t look back too far as I think there was an incorrect decision for a Liverpool throw in before their goal.

What if you get a red though and then var effectively  rules out that passage of play? Doesn’t seem right for that yellow or a scenario like a red which could happen.

Was Andy Robertson's tackle looked at by VAR? It's looks a Stonewall red from what I see albeit only on Twitter on my phone.

Another one caught my eye yesterday in Utd game, ball crossed towards Mata who's a couple of yards offside. Flag doesnt go up cause linos are encouraged to let play continue so defender has to head out for corner. Had Mata scored it's ruled out for offside by VAR but instead Norwich must defend a corner which United may score from, hardly a case of helping the defending team....

Happened against United a few weeks back against Sheefield United who scored from the corner
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 02:50:30 PM
Robertson’s wasn’t a red at all watching it back though.i think some stills made it look bad but as a sequence never a red.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 12, 2020, 03:51:54 PM
Didn’t think Robertson’s was a red. They both went in the exact same way on the ball. Robertson just got there first and caught him on the follow through. Granted, the still photo of the contact looks bad, but it is not exactly a true representation of what happened.

A bit like the supposed Van Dijk handball before the Liverpool goal against Wolves. The still from behind looks bad, but the video from all angles shows he clearly got his arm out of the way and didn’t touch the ball.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 05:28:46 PM
It wasn't a still I saw it was a video on some journos feed, yis both must be related to my woman as neither answered the question I asked  :) I was curious to know did VAR look at it ...

Found tweet there but content removed due to copyright breach
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 05:54:25 PM
Lol. Good point. I don’t think so. Is var not only for goals? Not sure I have seen it used for anything else.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
Lol. Good point. I don’t think so. Is var not only for goals? Not sure I have seen it used for anything else.

Aubameyang Red vs Palace
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 06:07:43 PM
Oh missed that. Yesterday or first game of season?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 06:30:32 PM
City demolished Villa and Aguero becomes the best foreign striker and has scored the most hat-tricks?

Some player all the same
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on January 12, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
Robertson was not a red card not even a yellow card as he won the ball before contacting the player.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 07:05:35 PM
Robertson was not a red card not even a yellow card as he won the ball before contacting the player.

Ah jeez that makes absolutely no difference
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Robertson was not a red card not even a yellow card as he won the ball before contacting the player.

Ah jeez that makes absolutely no difference

It does for Livarpool supporters  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 12, 2020, 07:32:10 PM
It wasn’t even a foul. He got the ball and caught him on the follow through with the outside of his boot. Now the later one where he had a nibble at Alderweild was naughty...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on January 12, 2020, 08:20:25 PM
It wasn’t even a foul. He got the ball and caught him on the follow through with the outside of his boot. Now the later one where he had a nibble at Alderweild was naughty...
There was a boy sent off for Leicester a while back who “got the ball” and didn’t “make contact with the opponent”. Apparently he “wasn’t in control”.

The whole thing is in shite.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 09:29:17 PM
Getting the ball is of absolute no relevance to the situation at all.....

Still nobody has told me whether VAR was used, that's all I really wanted to know. It was a post about VAR more than anything else...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 12, 2020, 09:33:09 PM
In that case, I’ve no idea
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on January 12, 2020, 09:45:18 PM
Getting the ball is of absolute no relevance to the situation at all.....

Still nobody has told me whether VAR was used, that's all I really wanted to know. It was a post about VAR more than anything else...

VAR were having a cup of tea according to Mourinho.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2020, 01:25:51 AM
PA was booked for the foul that he ultimately got red carded for . The referee has to issue a booking in order for it to be reviewed I believe ? AR wasn’t booked , so the referee or VAR didn’t look at it.  Again , I thought that’s how it was , I could be wrong though..
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 13, 2020, 02:30:27 AM
I think that's right.  AFAIK, for card calls, VAR can only adjudicate on whether the correct card was awarded, not whether one should have been awarded if one wasn't (except for penalty calls where 'clear and obvious error' comes into play).

The Robertson challenge was right on the yellow/red cusp.  Reckless enough that he could have had no real complaints if he got the red though.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on February 02, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
f**king hilarious

https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/status/1224044160681947136?s=19
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2020, 08:52:59 PM
f**king hilarious

https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/status/1224044160681947136?s=19

I loved the tweet below it... when your mate tells you it’s last orders
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on February 02, 2020, 09:04:28 PM
f**king hilarious

https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/status/1224044160681947136?s=19

🤣
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on February 02, 2020, 11:15:02 PM
Mike Dean has a mare there.

City man sent off for a shoulder? Wtf like?

Sterling should have gone for first tackle. Certainly for the dive!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on February 02, 2020, 11:44:48 PM
It was a second yellow for a foul, not a red.  Contact was shoulder to shoulder, but the ball was long past and was not in playing distance, which is required for a fair shoulder challenge. 

Ref was poor for both teams today, but he got that right.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on February 19, 2020, 11:31:03 PM

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on February 20, 2020, 10:07:42 AM
Some amount of City fans dressed as blue seats last night.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on February 21, 2020, 11:24:53 AM
Hen's teeth for Villa fans to get tickets to the league cup final.  City put on twitter before that West Ham match that if you have been to one home game this season then you can get 3 Wembley tickets.  Needless to say, a few cunning Villans got tickets to that West Ham game and are now eligible to apply for the Wembley tickets in the City end.

Is it league cup apathy for high flying city or just poor support?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on February 21, 2020, 11:28:26 AM
Hen's teeth for Villa fans to get tickets to the league cup final.  City put on twitter before that West Ham match that if you have been to one home game this season then you can get 3 Wembley tickets.  Needless to say, a few cunning Villans got tickets to that West Ham game and are now eligible to apply for the Wembley tickets in the City end.

Is it league cup apathy for high flying city or just poor support?

Google ‘empty seats’ and you get your answer!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on February 21, 2020, 12:23:20 PM
Everyone in Manchester supports them...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on February 21, 2020, 02:20:59 PM
Everyone in Manchester supports them...

Sounds a bit Everton that...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on February 22, 2020, 12:59:15 PM
Why did spurs get mourinho in?? I just don’t get it.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on February 22, 2020, 01:20:38 PM
A team going backwards. I know theyre missing kane and Son but still. Some good individuals possibly but not a good team just now
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: thewobbler on February 22, 2020, 01:41:43 PM
Why did spurs get mourinho in?? I just don’t get it.

They had to move Poch along as his team had turned against him. But jumping from a manager whose gameplan  is all about ball retention, to one whose gameplan is the complete opposite, was always going to require a period of frustration - no matter how successful he has been in the past.

Spurs are a horror show at the minute.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on February 22, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
I think Mourinho’s ship has sailed though and success is a thing of the past for him.

I might be biased by the fact I can’t stand him though.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on February 22, 2020, 01:50:41 PM
I think Mourinho’s ship has sailed though and success is a thing of the past for him.

I might be biased by the fact I can’t stand him though.

It sailed when he was still at Madrid. Can’t understand why he continues to get big jobs. Surely this will be the last.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: square_ball on February 22, 2020, 02:05:58 PM
i could see him looking about Portugal job in years to come and that’ll be him maybe.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2020, 06:38:08 PM
Could see a 6-0 tonight, West Ham are truly awful. 33/1 or 5-0 at 18’s
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 24, 2020, 06:55:50 PM
Moyesey will be gone after tonight.  West Ham are a symbol of the premier league. Average and overpaid. I go with 5-0 to the pool.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
That’s 3 quid I won’t get back  >:(
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Onthe40 on February 24, 2020, 09:42:59 PM
West Ham 2 Fabianski 3
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2020, 09:46:54 PM
West Ham 2 Fabianski 3

I backed mane to score two or more after that first goal went in, once the second was scored cashed out and withdrew money, VAR disallowed goal . But I’ve cashed out
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 24, 2020, 09:54:41 PM
West Ham have no heart. Very poor team.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2020, 10:05:19 PM
Unbeaten and only one draw!

The season Arsenal went unbeaten they’d more draws, which gave Chelsea and Utd some hope.

 League effectively over by Xmas, thankfully for Liverpool fans they’d didn’t top the league at Xmas and lost the league.

That was Liverpool’s strongest team tonight, West Ham surprised most pundits
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on February 24, 2020, 10:07:30 PM
Weakest Premier League in years, Only Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal and Wolves still in European Competition.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on February 24, 2020, 10:52:17 PM
Unbeaten and only one draw!

The season Arsenal went unbeaten they’d more draws, which gave Chelsea and Utd some hope.

 League effectively over by Xmas, thankfully for Liverpool fans they’d didn’t top the league at Xmas and lost the league.

That was Liverpool’s strongest team tonight, West Ham surprised most pundits

The Invincibles Arsenal side had 20-7-0 after 27 games.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 24, 2020, 11:01:24 PM
Unbeaten and only one draw!

The season Arsenal went unbeaten they’d more draws, which gave Chelsea and Utd some hope.

 League effectively over by Xmas, thankfully for Liverpool fans they’d didn’t top the league at Xmas and lost the league.

That was Liverpool’s strongest team tonight, West Ham surprised most pundits

The Invincibles Arsenal side had 20-7-0 after 27 games.

11 points in the end was the difference but that was a better finish to now.

There’s no denying the standard now, if the league was competitive this season then the likes of City and Leicester would be beating the rest, even Spurs who were in CL final are shit this year. Nope the league is dung this season, not Liverpool’s fault and regardless of how the rest would have played this year, Liverpool would have still won.

Make it a great year with the CL also. The two howlers helped tonight but AM will fold should Liverpool score first.

Oh and Bet365 have minus’s much account the f**kers!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Kingdom37 on February 25, 2020, 12:01:05 AM
Weakest Premier League in years, Only Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal and Wolves still in European Competition.

Tis easy qualify from group stages . Apart from from lpool how of them teams will be in a semi final? Even Barca and the Madrid s are in transition. PSG will always let you down. Dortmund could be the surprise packets?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on February 25, 2020, 09:35:35 PM
Chelsea getting outclassed.. Unless City do something tomorrow, its been awful from the English sides in the first leg
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2020, 09:37:03 PM
Chelsea getting outclassed.. Unless City do something tomorrow, its been awful from the English sides in the first leg

Could come back in second league
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on February 25, 2020, 09:37:52 PM
Bayern love playing in London. Some amount of woeful defending by Chelsea.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on March 13, 2020, 01:22:00 PM
Hearing the peak of coronavirus might be 12-14 weeks away. Basically, that’s early-mid June. If it takes 3 months to reach peak, then it would take (at least) another 3 months possibly to get down the other side of the hill.

So, if say the PL doesn’t return to September, and 10 matches still are outstanding from this season, plus CL/FA cup... what happens for next season?

Teams play each other once instead of twice?
Some cup competitions scrapped?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 13, 2020, 01:54:35 PM
There has to be a chance of the whole season being ruled null and void should they not be in a position to return to playing in May/June?

Ok the winners are not really in doubt but everything else from European places down to relegation right through the leagues is up in the air and there are huge financial ramifications...

The nearest thing I can think to it and it's not really near in fairness  :) is the Grand National the year of the false start. They didn't run it again or declare the horse that completed the course the winner it was null and void  :-\
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Armamike on March 13, 2020, 04:36:43 PM
Would be interesting to see a poll of how many Man U supporters want the season declared void  ::)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on March 13, 2020, 05:37:39 PM
Would be interesting to see a poll of how many Man U supporters want the season declared void  ::)

Why?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 13, 2020, 06:27:41 PM
Utd have 2 live chances of winning a trophy and two live chances of being in next year's Champions League. A null and void season takes all that away and dumps us back in the Europa League next season...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2020, 07:00:54 PM
Utd have 2 live chances of winning a trophy and two live chances of being in next year's Champions League. A null and void season takes all that away and dumps us back in the Europa League next season...

Sitting in champions league position at the minute (should City fail on their appeal)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 13, 2020, 07:07:02 PM
Utd have 2 live chances of winning a trophy and two live chances of being in next year's Champions League. A null and void season takes all that away and dumps us back in the Europa League next season...

Sitting in champions league position at the minute (should City fail on their appeal)

Just think about that answer for a minute  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on March 13, 2020, 07:33:17 PM
The FA chairman says its a 75 % chance the season won't be completed. A disaster for the likes of Leeds trying to get promoted
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2020, 07:35:48 PM
Utd have 2 live chances of winning a trophy and two live chances of being in next year's Champions League. A null and void season takes all that away and dumps us back in the Europa League next season...

Sitting in champions league position at the minute (should City fail on their appeal)

Just think about that answer for a minute  ;)

Do you think that the season will be null and void though? In all seriousness I’d be feeling a little bit sorry for the Liverpool lads
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 13, 2020, 07:40:17 PM
The FA chairman says its a 75 % chance the season won't be completed. A disaster for the likes of Leeds trying to get promoted

I was listening to Matt Cooper's show an hour or so ago and they were predicting the same for the GAA Allianz leagues. That doesn't seem nearly as dramatic but there are promotion/relegation issues especially for the likes of Cork who would likely miss out on a place in All Ireland series, subject to there being a GAA Championship
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on March 14, 2020, 04:16:58 PM
Don’t worry lads. We’re sorted.

MOTD is being replaced by Mrs Brown.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Joeythelips on March 14, 2020, 04:54:34 PM
Utd have 2 live chances of winning a trophy and two live chances of being in next year's Champions League. A null and void season takes all that away and dumps us back in the Europa League next season...

Sitting in champions league position at the minute (should City fail on their appeal)

People are talking about playing it out at some stage but I can only see one outcome, the season being declared void. The Euros will be put off till next year so there is a small window of opportunity but with the peak of the pandemic not expected until the start of June, its hard to see how it could be worked out

Just think about that answer for a minute  ;)

Do you think that the season will be null and void though? In all seriousness I’d be feeling a little bit sorry for the Liverpool lads
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: dublin7 on March 14, 2020, 08:24:17 PM
There's too much money involved for the league not to get completed. Forget Liverpool they are champions and no argument to deny them.

The real issues are the CL places and relegation. You're talking about millions or tens of millions for clubs like Leeds, Bournemouth, Norwich, Sheffield Utd when deciding CL places, promotion & relegation.

Most teams have only 9/10 games left to play. Far more likely the season is finished (even if its rushed) to get a final result and the following season amended just to avoid potential law suits from multiple clubs
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: seafoid on March 15, 2020, 08:37:12 AM
There's too much money involved for the league not to get completed. Forget Liverpool they are champions and no argument to deny them.

The real issues are the CL places and relegation. You're talking about millions or tens of millions for clubs like Leeds, Bournemouth, Norwich, Sheffield Utd when deciding CL places, promotion & relegation.

Most teams have only 9/10 games left to play. Far more likely the season is finished (even if its rushed) to get a final result and the following season amended just to avoid potential law suits from multiple clubs
The Euros will probably be postponed until.at least December..
The clubs need around 7 or 8 weeks to run off this season so it may be possible in the summer. 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Joeythelips on March 15, 2020, 04:23:50 PM
There's too much money involved for the league not to get completed. Forget Liverpool they are champions and no argument to deny them.

The real issues are the CL places and relegation. You're talking about millions or tens of millions for clubs like Leeds, Bournemouth, Norwich, Sheffield Utd when deciding CL places, promotion & relegation.

Most teams have only 9/10 games left to play. Far more likely the season is finished (even if its rushed) to get a final result and the following season amended just to avoid potential law suits from multiple clubs
The Euros will probably be postponed until.at least December..
The clubs need around 7 or 8 weeks to run off this season so it may be possible in the summer.

Money that will be worth sod all the longer this thing drags out. There are only 2 options play the leagues out at a later stage or void it. WHen the leagues meet up they will know if the Euros have been cancelled (almost certain  that they will be), they should draw up a plan for - if we are back playing by, for examples sake, between May 20th - June 30th then we will run off remaining fixtures (2 games per week), if not then the season will be voided. This way everyone knows where they stand. The way I see it currently is that they will be lucky to get the next season up and running on time let alone play off the last one.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: dublin7 on March 15, 2020, 07:15:14 PM
Far easier to run off this year and then worry about plannijg for following season.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Joeythelips on March 16, 2020, 04:30:46 PM
Far easier to run off this year and then worry about plannijg for following season.

Doubtful, this report https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-phe-document-says-7-9-million-britons-could-be-hospitalised-11958143 (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-phe-document-says-7-9-million-britons-could-be-hospitalised-11958143) indicates the pandemic could last into 2021. If its even half way on the money then there is no option but to void this current season in my opinion.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 16, 2020, 11:17:57 PM
I was surfing my dodgy sky box there and noticed Everton v Liverpool in the EPG for tonight, I'd completely forgotten it was to be on. Christ it's only last Thursday that matches were played it seems like a lifetime ago... :-\
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 16, 2020, 11:35:53 PM
Lot of footballers out of contract at the end of the season

Not a chance of the season being played after that
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on March 17, 2020, 12:14:52 AM
They’ll do week-by-week contracts, if it comes to that.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on March 17, 2020, 12:56:59 AM
Lot of footballers out of contract at the end of the season

Not a chance of the season being played after that

Liverpool could win the league after Lallana has left, which would be harsh. He played his part at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2020, 09:05:30 AM
PL meeting today, with the Euro's off that should get the leagues finished if there is a window! Would have been very unfair on Liverpool and the likes of Leeds, though expect a lot of opposition from the teams near the bottom
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on March 19, 2020, 09:25:08 AM
It won't make a difference if the virus is still going to be there for another few months. They are hoping it will be gone in May or June so they can resume, which it likely won't.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: dec on March 19, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
Games postponed through April 30th
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Rossfan on March 19, 2020, 03:30:52 PM
"Through April 30th"
What does that mean?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: MayoBuck on March 19, 2020, 04:16:07 PM
An Americanised phrasing of postponed "until" or "to" April 30th.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Rossfan on March 19, 2020, 04:19:20 PM
Ta buck.
The phrase makes no sense whatsoever.... a bit like voting for Trump I suppose.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on March 19, 2020, 05:34:37 PM
Means the earliest they’ll resume is now May 1st.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2020, 06:03:21 PM
Means the earliest they’ll resume is now May 1st.

But 12 weeks from now is mid June when (depending on what stats/figures/graphs you look at) the flattening of the curve will be! Is that the safe time to have players engaging in football?

PL chief has new idea though to help


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on March 19, 2020, 09:19:39 PM
Quote
Premier League executives have been told it will cost them £762 million in lost broadcast revenue if the 2019-20 season fails to finish due to the coronavirus, The Athletic can reveal.

The huge figure would come due to a breach of contract in terms agreed for domestic and international rights and was communicated to all 20 clubs during the crisis meeting at Premier League headquarters in London on Thursday morning.

The suspension is understood to be costing Sky, one of the two main domestic broadcasters, huge amounts per day as they are not charging many sports customers and cannot attract the same in advertising.

The clubs receive broadcast money twice a year, in August and February, so only recently received the cash for the end of the season.

Some clubs are determined to get games played behind doors so they don’t lose the broadcast money, such is their vulnerable financial position. Their outgoings — players’ wages in particular — are so high that they fear they cannot survive without it. They want games to go ahead and players to be regularly tested. Training grounds would be sealed off and players “wrapped in cotton wool” to protect them from contracting the virus.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on March 19, 2020, 11:16:01 PM
Was listening to the Athletic's Red Agenda podcast earlier, and one of them (Simon Hughes I think) was suggesting that this might be a good opportunity to start initiating a move to summer football, with a view to the 2022 World Cup. Basically, finish out the competitions, which could be late this calendar year, then start the new season in February or whenever. Pointed out that this could really help the lower leagues, semi-pro and on down, given the chronic loss of fixtures due to weather in winter months.

Well worth discussion, in my opinion.

And yeah, they reckoned the Sky Sports money would absolutely be a driver to putting finishing up the season at the very top of the list of options.

To me though, the fact that they're 3/4 way through should be the main consideration. Even if its off for six months, just get the season finished. Its the only fair outcome for everyone. The likes of Karen Brady should have to live with her poor administration of West Ham without getting a free pass. Liverpool get the chance to finish off an outstanding season's work, as do the likes of Leicester, Leeds, WBA etc. City get the chance to stick it to UEFA (their perception) by winning the Champions League after taking the scalp of Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Armamike on March 20, 2020, 09:04:19 AM
This season has to be completed regardless of when.  Whatever that means for next season, so be it. 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: seafoid on March 20, 2020, 09:16:07 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/premier-league-clubs-meeting-with-hope-of-finishing-season-1.4206170
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: tyrone girl on March 20, 2020, 11:31:15 AM
I know in Scotland they have been told no football/ training  happening until at least June.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 20, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
This season has to be completed regardless of when.  Whatever that means for next season, so be it.

I reckon that's last thing they'll do? They are committed to trying to finish this season but there has to be a line in the sand drawn somewhere eventually. One season is at least partially destroyed, they won't want to risk another...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on March 20, 2020, 03:04:12 PM
This season has to be completed regardless of when.  Whatever that means for next season, so be it.

I reckon that's last thing they'll do? They are committed to trying to finish this season but there has to be a line in the sand drawn somewhere eventually. One season is at least partially destroyed, they won't want to risk another...

Given what those with a bit of expertise are saying, this thing may not be over for a year or more, with a few cycles of relaxing and ramping up social distancing restrictions to run through.

A modest, two month shot at finishing out the current season during one of the down periods may be more plausible than aiming to start a brand new season in the autumn.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 20, 2020, 03:25:08 PM
If the next season was gonna be cancelled yeah take as long as you like to finish it out but I couldn't see them saying ok it's safe to play football now for two months but after that it won't be? I'd reckon no clubs or the Premier League won't want next season to happen, multiple clubs will fold especially down the leagues where some are showing the strain already ..
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on March 22, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
Henry Winter reckons it will September/October when football resumes. Some of the ex players are clueless about the situation, as if it's going to go ahead at end of April.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 22, 2020, 11:56:12 AM
Henry Winter reckons it will September/October when football resumes. Some of the ex players are clueless about the situation, as if it's going to go ahead at end of April.

I'd say the pundits, with the exception of Merson maybe  :), know the score they're just being paid to chat shite about it. When the next announcement comes they'll just chat about that, repeat ad infinitum.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on March 22, 2020, 12:35:36 PM
They’re probably keeping it relevant and talking it up to keep people in jobs, sponsors happy etc.

I’d say it’s going to be 3/4 months before a ball is kicked but I suppose people need hope too, otherwise they’d crack up.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 24, 2020, 10:48:18 AM
Opened Paddy Power app the other night to see what they doing to amuse themselves, there was betting on the Nigaraguan and Myanmar football leagues  ;D. I then met a friend yesterday who trades football for Boylesports and he told me he was going to work yesterday evening to trade an online FIFA tournament.....

The gas thing is I'll bet there are people betting on these things  :o
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: thebigfella on March 24, 2020, 12:03:52 PM
They’re probably keeping it relevant and talking it up to keep people in jobs, sponsors happy etc.

I’d say it’s going to be 3/4 months before a ball is kicked but I suppose people need hope too, otherwise they’d crack up.

The esports f1 on Sunday was surprisingly entertaining. Although I could have just put the game on myself and played  :)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on March 24, 2020, 12:15:31 PM
Opened Paddy Power app the other night to see what they doing to amuse themselves, there was betting on the Nigaraguan and Myanmar football leagues  ;D. I then met a friend yesterday who trades football for Boylesports and he told me he was going to work yesterday evening to trade an online FIFA tournament.....

The gas thing is I'll bet there are people betting on these things  :o

Ive a ten quid free bet sitting on bet365 following Cheltenham.  Just cant bring myself to back anything with it fs.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 12:16:16 PM
Opened Paddy Power app the other night to see what they doing to amuse themselves, there was betting on the Nigaraguan and Myanmar football leagues  ;D. I then met a friend yesterday who trades football for Boylesports and he told me he was going to work yesterday evening to trade an online FIFA tournament.....

The gas thing is I'll bet there are people betting on these things  :o

Think there is soon to be a market on call of duty warzone solo  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2020, 12:52:15 PM
Opened Paddy Power app the other night to see what they doing to amuse themselves, there was betting on the Nigaraguan and Myanmar football leagues  ;D. I then met a friend yesterday who trades football for Boylesports and he told me he was going to work yesterday evening to trade an online FIFA tournament.....

The gas thing is I'll bet there are people betting on these things  :o

Think there is soon to be a market on call of duty warzone solo  ;D ;D

I'm digging out my Playstation today, its been in hiding for over 5 years!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on March 24, 2020, 01:26:32 PM
Not much happening today other than that FIFA thing, the next competitive football looks to be the Belarusian league at the weekend. I've decided I'm a Torpedo BelAZ fan because their name is  8) it was between them and Slutsk, I kid you not. 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2020, 01:30:27 PM
Not much happening today other than that FIFA thing, the next competitive football looks to be the Belarusian league at the weekend. I've decided I'm a Torpedo BelAZ fan because their name is  8) it was between them and Slutsk, I kid you not.

Haven't had a bet since Cheltenham, as there is nothing to bet on, and not missing it!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 02:15:22 PM
Not much happening today other than that FIFA thing, the next competitive football looks to be the Belarusian league at the weekend. I've decided I'm a Torpedo BelAZ fan because their name is  8) it was between them and Slutsk, I kid you not.

I will defend the badge of Slutsk to the end.

You are on my list of enemies.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on March 24, 2020, 02:16:27 PM
Opened Paddy Power app the other night to see what they doing to amuse themselves, there was betting on the Nigaraguan and Myanmar football leagues  ;D. I then met a friend yesterday who trades football for Boylesports and he told me he was going to work yesterday evening to trade an online FIFA tournament.....

The gas thing is I'll bet there are people betting on these things  :o

Think there is soon to be a market on call of duty warzone solo  ;D ;D

I'm digging out my Playstation today, its been in hiding for over 5 years!

Don't talk, the Xbox reflexes aren't what they once were I found out on Sunday night,
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on April 08, 2020, 09:51:30 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1247946754085052425?s=19

Rank the top 10 Premier League managers as picked by BBC

My attempt

Fergie
Wenger
Mourinho
Pep
Klopp
Ancelotti
Rafa
Ranieri
Dalglish
Robson
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 09:57:19 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1247946754085052425?s=19

Rank the top 10 Premier League managers as picked by BBC

My attempt

Fergie
Wenger
Mourinho
Pep
Klopp
Ancelotti
Rafa
Ranieri
Dalglish
Robson

Is it premier league? As great a manager he was Dalglish wasn’t a great manager
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Taylor on April 08, 2020, 10:02:07 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1247946754085052425?s=19

Rank the top 10 Premier League managers as picked by BBC

My attempt

Fergie
Wenger
Mourinho
Pep
Klopp
Ancelotti
Rafa
Ranieri
Dalglish
Robson

Is it premier league? As great a manager he was Dalglish wasn’t a great manager

Ok then......
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on April 08, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
Do the 10 managers not appear in that link? I didn't pick them I'm just following the BBCs rules, don't overcomplicate things Milltown  :)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on April 08, 2020, 10:15:29 PM
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1247946754085052425?s=19

Rank the top 10 Premier League managers as picked by BBC

My attempt

Fergie
Wenger
Mourinho
Pep
Klopp
Ancelotti
Rafa
Ranieri
Dalglish
Robson

Where’s ‘Arry?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on April 08, 2020, 11:04:34 PM
Do the 10 managers not appear in that link? I didn't pick them I'm just following the BBCs rules, don't overcomplicate things Milltown  :)

Man loves a debate boycey what can ye do
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 11:25:11 PM
Do the 10 managers not appear in that link? I didn't pick them I'm just following the BBCs rules, don't overcomplicate things Milltown  :)

Man loves a debate boycey what can ye do

Blackburn and Newcastle were Kenny’s main teams in the PL, Blackburn haven’t done anything after he left. So I suppose you could give him credit but he was very poor at Newcastle
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on April 08, 2020, 11:40:54 PM
Do the 10 managers not appear in that link? I didn't pick them I'm just following the BBCs rules, don't overcomplicate things Milltown  :)

Man loves a debate boycey what can ye do

Blackburn and Newcastle were Kenny’s main teams in the PL, Blackburn haven’t done anything after he left. So I suppose you could give him credit but he was very poor at Newcastle

He also had a (weak) second stint with Liverpool.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2020, 11:52:27 PM
Do the 10 managers not appear in that link? I didn't pick them I'm just following the BBCs rules, don't overcomplicate things Milltown  :)

Man loves a debate boycey what can ye do

Blackburn and Newcastle were Kenny’s main teams in the PL, Blackburn haven’t done anything after he left. So I suppose you could give him credit but he was very poor at Newcastle

He also had a (weak) second stint with Liverpool.

Would forget about that episode, until Klopp came along Rafa was the best in the PL, really liked him
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on April 09, 2020, 12:38:30 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1247946754085052425?s=19

Rank the top 10 Premier League managers as picked by BBC

My attempt

Fergie
Wenger
Mourinho
Pep
Klopp
Ancelotti
Rafa
Ranieri
Dalglish
Robson

Is it premier league? As great a manager he was Dalglish wasn’t a great manager




Not a great manager, he's a great manager!  :)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2020, 12:40:23 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1247946754085052425?s=19

Rank the top 10 Premier League managers as picked by BBC

My attempt

Fergie
Wenger
Mourinho
Pep
Klopp
Ancelotti
Rafa
Ranieri
Dalglish
Robson

Is it premier league? As great a manager he was Dalglish wasn’t a great manager




Not a great manager, he's a great manager!  :)

The question was PL, I don’t think he was great in the PL, great in The old Div1
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on April 09, 2020, 05:34:42 PM
Not one taker? Strange lot when ya see some of the shite that provokes conversation on here...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on April 09, 2020, 05:44:27 PM
Fergie
Pep
Mourinho
Wenger
Klopp
Rafa
Ancelotti
Dalglish
Ranieri
Robson

Klopp will move up that list.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on April 09, 2020, 05:44:55 PM
To be fair Fergie and Wenger dominated for years. Only Mourinho upset that Monopoly! The gap between those three to fourth spot is huge With a Plethora of ''One Hit Wonders'' and Managers who overachieved with small budgets.



Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Never beat the deeler on April 10, 2020, 01:12:13 AM
Ferguson
Wenger
Mourinho
Guardiola
Ancelotti
Klopp
Ranieri
Dalglish
Benitez
Robson

As J70 said, Klopp will move up that list. To date he has only won half a PL. I think maybe recency bias and some club bias placing him v high on some people's lists.
Thought about putting the tinkerman above him, but I took the PL-in-the-post into account

Can't understand anyone not having Wenger #2. Revolutionary.
If he left a couple of years earlier I reckon everyone would have him up there
Ancelotti won Chelsea's first double, his team scoring over 100 goals in the process. He has the third best win % in the PL. Should never have been sacked imo

(edited as I spotted an error with Kenny below Rafa)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on April 11, 2020, 10:15:48 PM
Dalglish did not have a weak second stint at liverpool, he steadied the ship and won the league cup. The fact people have someone like Ancelotti above him because he won a double with an already strong chelsea team is hilarious. He has now ended up at Everton ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2020, 10:28:13 PM
Dalglish did not have a weak second stint at liverpool, he steadied the ship and won the league cup. The fact people have someone like Ancelotti above him because he won a double with an already strong chelsea team is hilarious. He has now ended up at Everton ;D

With Blackburn he’d plenty of money, and they needed a last day, crazy day to win it.

Newcastle were rubbish after Kevin stopped managing.

At Liverpool winning a league cup that no one wants isn’t success.

With Liverpool before the PL, he was brilliant but that team didn’t build on their past glories, bit like another team I know, you’d wonder why successful clubs allow things to slide when a successful manager leaves
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on April 11, 2020, 10:34:40 PM
Dalglish did not have a weak second stint at liverpool, he steadied the ship and won the league cup. The fact people have someone like Ancelotti above him because he won a double with an already strong chelsea team is hilarious. He has now ended up at Everton ;D

With Blackburn he’d plenty of money, and they needed a last day, crazy day to win it.

Newcastle were rubbish after Kevin stopped managing.

At Liverpool winning a league cup that no one wants isn’t success.

With Liverpool before the PL, he was brilliant but that team didn’t build on their past glories, bit like another team I know, you’d wonder why successful clubs allow things to slide when a successul manager leaves
f
1)They still won it, who cares whether it was the last day or not.
2)Wasn't his fault they were a sinking ship when he came in. He also guided them into the Champions League. Thats a success.
3)Liverpool were in no mans land at the time and he came in steadied the ship and won a league cup. Major trophy.
4) Every team has their day, Liverpool are rising again, and that club you speak of are sinking.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Never beat the deeler on April 11, 2020, 10:44:24 PM
Dalglish did not have a weak second stint at liverpool, he steadied the ship and won the league cup. The fact people have someone like Ancelotti above him because he won a double with an already strong chelsea team is hilarious. He has now ended up at Everton ;D

The man hasn't managed more than 2 seasons at a club in 25 years FFs
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on April 11, 2020, 10:50:50 PM
Dalglish did not have a weak second stint at liverpool, he steadied the ship and won the league cup. The fact people have someone like Ancelotti above him because he won a double with an already strong chelsea team is hilarious. He has now ended up at Everton ;D

The man hasn't managed more than 2 seasons at a club in 25 years FFs
Yet you placed Ancelotti 5th in the all time list of managers when he STILL hasnt managed more than 2 seasons in the PL.
Catch yourself on you hypocrite
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2020, 11:01:24 PM
Dalglish did not have a weak second stint at liverpool, he steadied the ship and won the league cup. The fact people have someone like Ancelotti above him because he won a double with an already strong chelsea team is hilarious. He has now ended up at Everton ;D

With Blackburn he’d plenty of money, and they needed a last day, crazy day to win it.

Newcastle were rubbish after Kevin stopped managing.

At Liverpool winning a league cup that no one wants isn’t success.

With Liverpool before the PL, he was brilliant but that team didn’t build on their past glories, bit like another team I know, you’d wonder why successful clubs allow things to slide when a successul manager leaves
f
1)They still won it, who cares whether it was the last day or not.
2)Wasn't his fault they were a sinking ship when he came in. He also guided them into the Champions League. Thats a success.
3)Liverpool were in no mans land at the time and he came in steadied the ship and won a league cup. Major trophy.
4) Every team has their day, Liverpool are rising again, and that club you speak of are sinking.

Look at it logically and without the Pool glasses on. The post is about PL managers, not old division (where he’d be very high up on that list)

Mancini should be on that list if we use your logic of last day crazy results!

Not every team has their day, otherwise it would be an equal split of titles  ;D

He went to Newcastle and failed

He didn’t steady Liverpool, Rafa had plenty success and better wins than Kenny, he came in after Woy and your granny coulda steadied the ship after him  ;)

But he was successful with Blackburn I suppose
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on April 11, 2020, 11:16:17 PM
Dalglish did not have a weak second stint at liverpool, he steadied the ship and won the league cup. The fact people have someone like Ancelotti above him because he won a double with an already strong chelsea team is hilarious. He has now ended up at Everton ;D

With Blackburn he’d plenty of money, and they needed a last day, crazy day to win it.

Newcastle were rubbish after Kevin stopped managing.

At Liverpool winning a league cup that no one wants isn’t success.

With Liverpool before the PL, he was brilliant but that team didn’t build on their past glories, bit like another team I know, you’d wonder why successful clubs allow things to slide when a successul manager leaves
f
1)They still won it, who cares whether it was the last day or not.
2)Wasn't his fault they were a sinking ship when he came in. He also guided them into the Champions League. Thats a success.
3)Liverpool were in no mans land at the time and he came in steadied the ship and won a league cup. Major trophy.
4) Every team has their day, Liverpool are rising again, and that club you speak of are sinking.

Look at it logically and without the Pool glasses on. The post is about PL managers, not old division (where he’d be very high up on that list)

Mancini should be on that list if we use your logic of last day crazy results!

Not every team has their day, otherwise it would be an equal split of titles  ;D

He went to Newcastle and failed

He didn’t steady Liverpool, Rafa had plenty success and better wins than Kenny, he came in after Woy and your granny coulda steadied the ship after him  ;)

But he was successful with Blackburn I suppose
Nothing about crazy last day results, it's not my logic, you mentioned it.  Your excuse was that he won it on the last day, he still won it.
Why wouldn't mancini be on it, considering halfwits have ancelotti on there. Mancini won more than Ancelotti in england with less of a team, but because he hasnt had the same career or the profile elsewhere hes the victim of bias.
Kenny got Newcastle into the CL with a weakening squad.
You haven't a clue. Benitez left years previous to Kenny, Woy near got us relegated ffs and Kenny came in an won us the league cup and steadied the club till Rodgers came in.
He also won a league cup with Celtic after john barnes' debacle.
If he wasn't a good manager or made the best of a bad situation then good luck
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2020, 11:33:01 PM
Dalglish did not have a weak second stint at liverpool, he steadied the ship and won the league cup. The fact people have someone like Ancelotti above him because he won a double with an already strong chelsea team is hilarious. He has now ended up at Everton ;D

With Blackburn he’d plenty of money, and they needed a last day, crazy day to win it.

Newcastle were rubbish after Kevin stopped managing.

At Liverpool winning a league cup that no one wants isn’t success.

With Liverpool before the PL, he was brilliant but that team didn’t build on their past glories, bit like another team I know, you’d wonder why successful clubs allow things to slide when a successul manager leaves
f
1)They still won it, who cares whether it was the last day or not.
2)Wasn't his fault they were a sinking ship when he came in. He also guided them into the Champions League. Thats a success.
3)Liverpool were in no mans land at the time and he came in steadied the ship and won a league cup. Major trophy.
4) Every team has their day, Liverpool are rising again, and that club you speak of are sinking.

Look at it logically and without the Pool glasses on. The post is about PL managers, not old division (where he’d be very high up on that list)

Mancini should be on that list if we use your logic of last day crazy results!

Not every team has their day, otherwise it would be an equal split of titles  ;D

He went to Newcastle and failed

He didn’t steady Liverpool, Rafa had plenty success and better wins than Kenny, he came in after Woy and your granny coulda steadied the ship after him  ;)

But he was successful with Blackburn I suppose
Nothing about crazy last day results, it's not my logic, you mentioned it.  Your excuse was that he won it on the last day, he still won it.
Why wouldn't mancini be on it, considering halfwits have ancelotti on there. Mancini won more than Ancelotti in england with less of a team, but because he hasnt had the same career or the profile elsewhere hes the victim of bias.
Kenny got Newcastle into the CL with a weakening squad.
You haven't a clue. Benitez left years previous to Kenny, Woy near got us relegated ffs and Kenny came in an won us the league cup and steadied the club till Rodgers came in.
He also won a league cup with Celtic after john barnes' debacle.
If he wasn't a good manager or made the best of a bad situation then good luck

Newcastle should have won a couple of PL’s they weren’t the worst team.

Mancini should be on the list btw. Anyway these types of  lists are people’s own views.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 12, 2020, 07:56:51 PM
Good to see Gianluca Vialli has been given the all clear following a 17-month battle with pancreatic cancer.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on April 12, 2020, 09:50:09 PM
That’s good. I always really liked him and zola .
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on April 13, 2020, 01:30:23 PM
Good to see Gianluca Vialli has been given the all clear following a 17-month battle with pancreatic cancer.

Good for him. Hopefully he's one of the few who manage to beat it long term.

One of the worst types of cancer.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: seafoid on April 20, 2020, 05:14:50 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/04/20/even-best-case-scenario-imminent-return-football-neither-realistic/

If the return to training is successful – and at what stage, then, do players actually train together and work on basics such as tactics? – then the next phase will be to try and get the games played. Increasingly, according to sources who are involved in the planning, it is looking like these will be played at a select number of ‘approved’ Premier League grounds in one or two parts of the country to try and create as sterile an area as possible.

London is an obvious choice which also raises the possibility of Wembley being chosen as one of the stadia. Crucially this will help with the thorny issue of limiting the demands on public services such as ambulance and police being present even though all the remaining 92 games will definitely be played behind closed doors and without fans being present. Logically this would also mean players staying in a small number of select hotels which, again, makes London a likely location.

Matches will be the trickiest phase with the clubs having to first decide what is the minimum number of staff that can be in the stadium? Do, for example, any of the directors or executives even have to be there?

Again players will carry out their temperature checks but there may have to be more stringent health screening before they travel to the stadium. And how will that be handled, especially for ‘away’ teams if they are flying and arriving by coach?

The clubs will have to mark out ‘sterile’ routes from the bus to the changing room with the players and staff passing through temperature scanners and somehow trying to observe social distancing while they get ready. It means each team will have to use more than one changing room while trying to warm-up and prepare themselves with minimal contact.

There will be no pre-match handshake – an unnecessary risk – but then the games kick off. How will they look? How will the players try not to have any contact in a contact sport? What will marking at corners and free-kicks be like? Will anyone tackle or even touch an opponent? Will they celebrate a goal being scored?

After the game the social distancing measures will again be observed – with teams ushered out as quickly as possible, doing the minimum they need to do – such as in terms of media commitments – before carrying out their recovery sessions back home. And all the while being urged to report symptoms if they feel any. Imagine the psychological stress of that also for the players?

What, also, if players need to be treated for an injury? What will the physiotherapists do? Presumably they will, as is planned in Italy, wear masks and PPE while working with the players and, again, that equipment surely cannot be used if there is a shortage on the NHS frontline.



Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on April 20, 2020, 06:12:12 PM
The only way this can work is if they sequester the teams and required personnel for the fitness period and the five or six weeks to play out the season. Basically cut them off. You can't social distance in training or in a match.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
The only way this can work is if they sequester the teams and required personnel for the fitness period and the five or six weeks to play out the season. Basically cut them off. You can't social distance in training or in a match.
Why not just do what they have done in Scotland?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on April 20, 2020, 06:22:06 PM
The only way this can work is if they sequester the teams and required personnel for the fitness period and the five or six weeks to play out the season. Basically cut them off. You can't social distance in training or in a match.
Why not just do what they have done in Scotland?

Because it would not be fair. quite simply.

It may eventually come to that, but it should be an absolute last option.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 20, 2020, 06:37:04 PM
Bundesliga is potentially starting back up behind closed doors starting May 9th
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GJL on April 21, 2020, 04:35:00 PM
So it appears Newcastle are the new Man City. How long until they win the PL?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 21, 2020, 04:44:57 PM
So it appears Newcastle are the new Man City. How long until they win the PL?

Unless there is a severe relaxation of FFP with coronavirus, maybe 10 years before they even get into top 4.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2020, 04:59:59 PM
So it appears Newcastle are the new Man City. How long until they win the PL?

4 or 5 years it took Manchester City when the sugar daddy arrived?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: SHEEDY on April 21, 2020, 07:43:17 PM
No football in Holland until at least September 1st.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on April 21, 2020, 08:39:33 PM
The cesspit of Premier League ownership sinks even lower.....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on April 21, 2020, 10:45:11 PM
If anything the proposed Newcastle deal makes a mockery of the premier leagues rainbow laces campaign.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: johnnycool on April 22, 2020, 11:20:20 AM
If anything the proposed Newcastle deal makes a mockery of the premier leagues rainbow laces campaign.

I don't get why Newcastle should be criticised for this considering the UK Gov has been courting these Saudi hoors for years to sell arms to them.

A little bit hypocritical of a lot of people in my mind.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GJL on April 22, 2020, 06:35:39 PM
If anything the proposed Newcastle deal makes a mockery of the premier leagues rainbow laces campaign.

I don't get why Newcastle should be criticised for this considering the UK Gov has been courting these Saudi hoors for years to sell arms to them.

A little bit hypocritical of a lot of people in my mind.

The British government is not exactly a high bar when it comes to morality.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on April 22, 2020, 07:23:39 PM
Simple, criticise both instead of justifying one because of the other ...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: johnnycool on April 23, 2020, 09:07:57 AM
Simple, criticise both instead of justifying one because of the other ...

Exactly, but it seems the UK government are above criticism as business is business.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on April 23, 2020, 09:25:26 AM
Simple, criticise both instead of justifying one because of the other ...

Exactly, but it seems the UK government are above criticism as business is business.

The UK Government are currently banning a Premier League owner from having a VISA.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: johnnycool on April 23, 2020, 12:33:47 PM
Simple, criticise both instead of justifying one because of the other ...

Exactly, but it seems the UK government are above criticism as business is business.

The UK Government are currently banning a Premier League owner from having a VISA.

You'd think he'd just give a donation to the Tory party like the rest of the Russian oligarch's and be done with it.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 23, 2020, 03:23:04 PM
Simple, criticise both instead of justifying one because of the other ...

Exactly, but it seems the UK government are above criticism as business is business.

The UK Government are currently banning a Premier League owner from having a VISA.

You'd think he'd just give a donation to the Tory party like the rest of the Russian oligarch's and be done with it.

He's given 2 x hotels to all NHS staff and feeding the NHS staff of 5 x hospitals.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: johnnycool on April 23, 2020, 03:24:42 PM
Simple, criticise both instead of justifying one because of the other ...

Exactly, but it seems the UK government are above criticism as business is business.

The UK Government are currently banning a Premier League owner from having a VISA.

You'd think he'd just give a donation to the Tory party like the rest of the Russian oligarch's and be done with it.

He's given 2 x hotels to all NHS staff and feeding the NHS staff of 5 x hospitals.

And?

SFA in that for the Tory party.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Norf Tyrone on April 23, 2020, 07:16:57 PM
Simple, criticise both instead of justifying one because of the other ...

Exactly, but it seems the UK government are above criticism as business is business.

The UK Government are currently banning a Premier League owner from having a VISA.

You'd think he'd just give a donation to the Tory party like the rest of the Russian oligarch's and be done with it.

He's given 2 x hotels to all NHS staff and feeding the NHS staff of 5 x hospitals.

And?

SFA in that for the Tory party.

Yeah. I know. Just saying like.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on April 28, 2020, 10:15:59 PM
PL planning for a June 13th restart behind closed doors?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-clubs-making-plans-21942290
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on April 30, 2020, 10:08:15 AM
PL planning for a June 13th restart behind closed doors?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-clubs-making-plans-21942290

I cant see how we are in a position to do this at all really.  Teams would need to start training in the next couple of weeks to be ready to start in June?  Inevitably staff or players will contract the virus.  Do others then self isolate? 

I just think sport is impossible at the minute.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2020, 03:45:59 PM
Games are starting soon, and in fairness if the Germans have managed it safely (we’ll know next week as that’ll be the 3rd week) then no reason to get it going again.

Though what’s happening with relegation? Teams would need to be coming up for teams to go down?

Is there no joined up approach here or just elitist?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on May 28, 2020, 04:13:44 PM
PL planning for a June 13th restart behind closed doors?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-clubs-making-plans-21942290

I cant see how we are in a position to do this at all really.  Teams would need to start training in the next couple of weeks to be ready to start in June?  Inevitably staff or players will contract the virus.  Do others then self isolate? 

I just think sport is impossible at the minute.

Theyve already been training in preparation for this. In groups from last week and as teams today. Also individual training never stopped.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: MayoBuck on May 28, 2020, 04:15:11 PM
Games are starting soon, and in fairness if the Germans have managed it safely (we’ll know next week as that’ll be the 3rd week) then no reason to get it going again.

Though what’s happening with relegation? Teams would need to be coming up for teams to go down?

Is there no joined up approach here or just elitist?

17th June for the premier league restarting.

The championship is starting back as well. They've tested all players recently.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on May 28, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
When's the important stuff like the FA Cup and Europa League being announced  :)

Actually, little enough talk about European footie. Might be difficult enough with some countries demanding 14 day isolations. Mimi tournament somewhere with one legged ties? All over in a week..
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2020, 04:28:57 PM
Games are starting soon, and in fairness if the Germans have managed it safely (we’ll know next week as that’ll be the 3rd week) then no reason to get it going again.

Though what’s happening with relegation? Teams would need to be coming up for teams to go down?

Is there no joined up approach here or just elitist?

17th June for the premier league restarting.

The championship is starting back as well. They've tested all players recently.

That’s great, would love to see a Utd Leeds game! Would be an absolute whopper! Did one back in the early 90’s what an atmosphere, equaled any of the other games of Liverpool Arsenal at the time.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on May 28, 2020, 05:05:03 PM
Won't be long now....


 (https://s1179.photobucket.com/user/ABURIAN/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_20200518-161517_Facebook.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2020, 05:59:54 PM
Liverpool* will look lovely
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on May 28, 2020, 06:05:58 PM
Liverpool* will look lovely


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on May 28, 2020, 06:14:48 PM
* = still won the title after a global pandemic and the rage of millions of null and voiders couldn't even stop them.
Will go down as the sweetest of our 19 league titles
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on May 28, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
Liverpool* will look lovely

Why would it say Liverpool*??
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on May 28, 2020, 06:47:27 PM
* = still won the title after a global pandemic and the rage of millions of null and voiders couldn't even stop them.
Will go down as the sweetest of our 19 league titles

They should engrave that on it, probably need another plinth though  :)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on May 28, 2020, 06:53:59 PM
* = still won the title after a global pandemic and the rage of millions of null and voiders couldn't even stop them.
Will go down as the sweetest of our 19 league titles

They should engrave that on it, probably need another plinth though  :)
I agree, they should
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on May 28, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
* = still won the title after a global pandemic and the rage of millions of null and voiders couldn't even stop them.
Will go down as the sweetest of our 19 league titles

One wonders if those desperate to see null and void will celebrate if, say, their team ends up winning the FA Cup or makes the top four. ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on May 28, 2020, 09:08:10 PM
FA Cup details tomorrow  8)

It's that long ago I forget is there definite pairings?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 28, 2020, 09:14:24 PM
FA Cup details tomorrow  8)

It's that long ago I forget is there definite pairings?

Was chatting with the neighbours just now, 2 Liverpool men, one season ticket holder at Leeds.

Championship starting back, he said he’d prefer standings as they are as he’s not confident lol

Liverpool lads cockahoop can’t wait to get hands on the cup, but said the city would be packed out celebrating

Then they mentioned the FA cup to be sorted to along with the CL to and other trophies.

Are Utd in the semi finals against Villa? 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: sid waddell on May 29, 2020, 01:13:41 AM
Covid Title-19
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on May 29, 2020, 07:12:32 AM
* = still won the title after a global pandemic and the rage of millions of null and voiders couldn't even stop them.
Will go down as the sweetest of our 19 league titles

One wonders if those desperate to see null and void will celebrate if, say, their team ends up winning the FA Cup or makes the top four. ;)
They should probably just null and void the FA Cup for this year.... and the Champions League also..
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 29, 2020, 09:12:15 AM
New strand of disease has been identified, it’s contained within a specific grouping, the null and voiders, it’s very serious and infectious.....has been classified as Livid-19....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2020, 09:35:37 AM
New strand of disease has been identified, it’s contained within a specific grouping, the null and voiders, it’s very serious and infectious.....has been classified as Livid-19*

Fixed that for you..
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 29, 2020, 10:12:42 AM
New strand of disease has been identified, it’s contained within a specific grouping, the null and voiders, it’s very serious and infectious.....has been classified as Livid-19*

Fixed that for you..

The only Asterix I recognise has a wee dog and a mate with a big rock on his back!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 29, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
New strand of disease has been identified, it’s contained within a specific grouping, the null and voiders, it’s very serious and infectious.....has been classified as Livid-19*

Fixed that for you..

The only Asterix I recognise has a wee dog and a mate with a big rock on his back!

League winners: Liverpool
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 29, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
Much better....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Denn Forever on May 29, 2020, 10:26:37 AM
When it starts, ideal opportunity to clamp down on players surrounding refs after disputed decisions.  Primary source of Covid transmisition is spittle isn't it?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Taylor on May 29, 2020, 10:30:42 AM
When it starts, ideal opportunity to clamp down on players surrounding refs after disputed decisions.  Primary source of Covid transmisition is spittle isn't it?

If it is anything like the German league the intensity in many games will be few and far between
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: JohnDenver on May 29, 2020, 10:39:02 AM
When it starts, ideal opportunity to clamp down on players surrounding refs after disputed decisions.  Primary source of Covid transmisition is spittle isn't it?

If it is anything like the German league the intensity in many games will be few and far between

Would agree with that. Some of the mid table clubs go into holiday mode as soon as safety is assured most seasons, so you would wonder what motivation levels are like currently!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on May 29, 2020, 11:15:41 AM
There's hope yet lads all we need is pictures of them pesky scousers training together....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0529/1143319-austrian-side-docked-points-for-breaking-covid-19-rules/
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on May 29, 2020, 11:58:27 AM
There's hope yet lads all we need is pictures of them pesky scousers training together....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0529/1143319-austrian-side-docked-points-for-breaking-covid-19-rules/

Would be the most liverpool way to lose a title. Hopefully they'll be careful for the next few weeks!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: dublin7 on May 29, 2020, 12:41:22 PM
When it starts, ideal opportunity to clamp down on players surrounding refs after disputed decisions.  Primary source of Covid transmisition is spittle isn't it?

The German league has seen less diving and/or protesting refereeing over the last few weeks. Part of the reason for this is that there are no fans in the stadium creating a hostile atmosphere and/or putting pressure on the referee.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 29, 2020, 04:49:21 PM
Quote
The Big Freeze of 1963: When Football was put on Ice
3 years ago

 


We often hear managers calling for a winter break in January due to the heavily congested post-Christmas fixture programme, but during the 1962/63 season football enjoyed something of an enforced three-month sabbatical due to freak weather conditions, which threatened not only the national game, but the country as a whole.

When Middlesbrough finally overcame Blackburn Rovers in a replay at Ayresome Park on the 11th March 1963, it ended one of the most chaotic third round weekends in the history of the FA Cup. The round of games, which had begun back on January 5th would take an astonishing 66 days before being completed as the season looked like it might never end.

The winter of 1963 was one of the coldest in living memory. Snow swept across the nation on Boxing Day 1962, and in many places it remained on the ground until late March. The situation wasn’t helped by arctic winds which led to huge snow drifts up to 20 feet feet deep in some places.

Officially it was the coldest month of the 20th century that January, with temperatures of -19 degrees Celsius being recorded in several locations with the average temperature failing to get above freezing; it was that cold that rivers had lumps of ice in them and even the sea froze solid.

Not surprisingly the country was brought to a standstill, while the weather also played havoc with the sporting calendar. Horse racing was was temporarily cancelled with no meetings taking place in England for four months, but football was one of the sports hit most severely and particularly the FA Cup.

Lincoln City’s game with Coventry City was postponed an astonishing 14 times, while in Scotland a cup tie between Stranraer and Airdrie was called-off no fewer than 33 times. Things weren’t much better in Yorkshire either as Barnsley were only able to play two matches between 22nd December and March 12th.

Maybe put an asterisk beside the league and cup winners for that season....Everton and Man U....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: dec on May 29, 2020, 05:05:57 PM
When it starts, ideal opportunity to clamp down on players surrounding refs after disputed decisions.  Primary source of Covid transmisition is spittle isn't it?

The German league has seen less diving and/or protesting refereeing over the last few weeks. Part of the reason for this is that there are no fans in the stadium creating a hostile atmosphere and/or putting pressure on the referee.

There is research that suggests that home advantage is partly caused by referees favouring the home side.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on May 30, 2020, 09:48:05 PM
Not the biggest sample size I know but there have only been 7 home wins in the 33 games played so far and 2 of them were routine wins for Bayern against poor opponents as opposed to 16 away wins...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on May 30, 2020, 10:12:28 PM
Not good news for the Null and Voiders....

https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020/0530/1143600-no-positive-results-in-pls-latest-covid-19-tests/
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 31, 2020, 12:05:30 AM
Asterisk title safe
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on May 31, 2020, 02:16:55 PM
Asterisk title safe

With the Germans leading the way, the English were not going to be shown up by the old enemy. Besides there is too much money involved.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 05, 2020, 04:43:52 PM
I'm sure there'll be somebody on here willing to sympathize with this lot and their plight.at the hands of UEFA

https://twitter.com/City_Xtra/status/1268834266605146114?s=19
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2020, 10:05:39 AM
Anyone want to share why they started following the one they do? It can be any reason at all, good player, dad supported them, cousins near the area etc. My reason for following Utd is because they finished runners up in 1994/95 in the league and lost the cup final as well. Mad I know, but we're all a bit crazy  :)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: thewobbler on June 12, 2020, 10:14:47 AM
Anyone want to share why they started following the one they do? It can be any reason at all, good player, dad supported them, cousins near the area etc. My reason for following Utd is because they finished runners up in 1994/95 in the league and lost the cup final as well. Mad I know, but we're all a bit crazy  :)

Went to a Spurs v Milan friendly in 1988 mainly to see Van Basten, Gullit and Rijkard, and Gascoigne.

I’ve no clear picture of what he did that day, but Chris Waddle was outstanding, and i began following Spurs from then as a result.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 12, 2020, 10:35:34 AM
I'm sure there'll be somebody on here willing to sympathize with this lot and their plight.at the hands of UEFA

https://twitter.com/City_Xtra/status/1268834266605146114?s=19

Not sympathising - but they are in trouble due to the leaking of hacked documents. I can see them running riot during their appeal. It probably could and should be declared inadmissible.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 12, 2020, 10:45:35 AM
Anyone want to share why they started following the one they do? It can be any reason at all, good player, dad supported them, cousins near the area etc. My reason for following Utd is because they finished runners up in 1994/95 in the league and lost the cup final as well. Mad I know, but we're all a bit crazy  :)
Support the team that finishes 2nd, that's such a Mayo thing to do.... ;D
I have no real idea why I started supporting Liverpool, apart from the were the best team at the time.
I do remember though that my local GAA club had yellow jerseys with a red pin stripe down the front, which was almost an exact replica of Liverpools away strip back then, so I think that may have played a part, so maybe a mixture of that and them being the best at time,around 1984, 1985 era.
Whatever it was I made the right choice anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: tintin25 on June 12, 2020, 10:57:36 AM
Anyone want to share why they started following the one they do? It can be any reason at all, good player, dad supported them, cousins near the area etc. My reason for following Utd is because they finished runners up in 1994/95 in the league and lost the cup final as well. Mad I know, but we're all a bit crazy  :)

We had just moved house and I was around 7/8 at the time.  The only team I had heard of or could recall at that stage was Liverpool, but made friends with a lad of the same age in the new estate and he told me he supported Man U and that I should support them - so that was that!  Wise choice I think, especially given the dominance in the 90s lol
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 12, 2020, 11:09:00 AM
I don't remember starting to follow Utd I just always did, possibly my father's influence as although being a dyed in the wool GAA traditionalist he was also a sports fanatic with a knowledge and interest from all things from cricket to boxing and most sports in-between.

The first game I remember on TV was the Cup Final of '76, a loss to Southampton and the first time seeing Utd live was a friendly between Utd and Home Farm at Tolka Park in Dec 1980. Bizarrely I'm nearly sure Emyln Hughes played for Home Farm, Ronnie Whelan certainly did but the connection with him and Home Farm is obvious.

Wobbler was that Spurs/Milan game at Wembley? If so I was at it too. It was part of a pre-season tournament with Arsenal and someone else??
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 12, 2020, 11:09:47 AM
Anyone want to share why they started following the one they do? It can be any reason at all, good player, dad supported them, cousins near the area etc. My reason for following Utd is because they finished runners up in 1994/95 in the league and lost the cup final as well. Mad I know, but we're all a bit crazy  :)

Started getting interested in football in the early 90s.  My oul fella wouldn't be a supporter of any soccer teams, GAA only.  My older brother has not much interest in sport at all.  I can actually remember enjoying match of the day one evening when Villa came on.  I loved the kit, I loved that the team had so many Irish players at the time and they were a decent side.  I made my choice there and then.

It's been a hard road  ;D , especially the early school years.  Plenty of slagging from supporters of the more popular sides.   
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Denn Forever on June 12, 2020, 11:36:23 AM
Have to admit not a real soccer fan and don't appreciate/understand tactics.  I follow AFC Wimbledon and it all started when I was working in a school where being mid 90's everyone supported Man U.

The children would ask me who I supported and I was sick of saying nobody really so I said Wimbledon and they were disgusted. Having said it, I had to keep it up  and Wimbledon were my sort of team, the plucky underdog playing soccer with a GAA flair.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 12, 2020, 11:56:56 AM
Started following soccer around the time of the 1982 World Cup. Would have have been 6 at the time and my best friend was Pat Jennings nephew (who is actually 75 today...knowledge of this is courtesy of our old friend Tony Fearon blowing on Facebook!).

First started following Liverpool in 1982-83 season as they were most successful at the time and always on the TV. First real memory is actually with Man U in the 1983 FA Cup final against Brighton!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 12, 2020, 12:19:50 PM
Dad was a big supporter since the Busby days, but can remember the conversation with my two other brothers at the time Liverpool and Forrest were the big teams doing well, the eldest brother was smart enough to pick Utd which meant he’d get the trips, so he said to the other brother you pick Liverpool and I was left with Forrest, wasn’t that fussed as all I wanted to do was hurl!

That lasted about 2 months as at Xmas my dad got us all Utd tops!

My first game was a defeat to West Brom mid 80’s and then 89 for the loss to Liverpool, been to many games during the good times but given a choice I’d rather be at Croker/Thurles watching the best hurling teams.

I enjoy the banter with my Liverpool mad friends. I really like Liverpool as a club and couldn’t not like their style of play and current manager but the fans are a bit like Celtic fans, annoying cnuts  :D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: sid waddell on June 12, 2020, 01:32:04 PM
Me oul' lad showed me the league table in the paper in about February or March 1986. The top two were Everton and Manchester United, I think. Liverpool were third. He told me he hoped Liverpool would win it. So I wanted Liverpool to win it. I don't remember first hand any of the rest of that season though. Apparently when me oul' lad told me Liverpool had beaten Everton in the FA Cup final, I replied "good". The first Liverpool game I can sort of remember having on the telly and wanting them to win was a 0-0 at Goodison in November '86. The first game I sat down and watched in the conscious knowledge that I supported Liverpool was another 0-0, against Luton in the FA Cup 3rd round in January '87. The replay finished 0-0 too. There were a lot of 0-0s in those days. Then Luton won 3-0 in the third game, which I followed by getting the result on the following morning's sports news on radio. I keenly followed the rest of that season via Grandstand vidiprinter updates and the occasional live match. Ian Rush's two goals live on Sports Stadium in a 3-1 win over Everton in April were a highlight, Charlie Nicholas's two goals in the Littlewoods Cup final when Ian Rush lost his long record of not losing a game in which he scored, was a lowlight. Everton won the league, which was a particular lowlight, because they were the enemy.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ONeill on June 12, 2020, 02:15:10 PM
Vague memory of the 82 World Cup. Clear memory of Francein 1984. 84/85 season then and RTE were showing the odd live game on a Saturday. I'd plumped for Arsenal for no real reason. Relatively unsuccessful and dour under Don Howe. RTE showed them beating Hereford 6-1 in the cup and I thought I was onto a winner. York City turfed them out in the next round. Stuck with them and the 87 Littlewoods final was the first exhilarating moment. Since then it's been a trophy every 2-4 years although a bit barren after 05 for a while.

Arsenal had a big Irish influence early 80s but fairly dwindled. Eddie McGoldrick the last?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on June 12, 2020, 04:30:57 PM
Vague memory of the 82 World Cup. Clear memory of Francein 1984. 84/85 season then and RTE were showing the odd live game on a Saturday. I'd plumped for Arsenal for no real reason. Relatively unsuccessful and dour under Don Howe. RTE showed them beating Hereford 6-1 in the cup and I thought I was onto a winner. York City turfed them out in the next round. Stuck with them and the 87 Littlewoods final was the first exhilarating moment. Since then it's been a trophy every 2-4 years although a bit barren after 05 for a while.

Arsenal had a big Irish influence early 80s but fairly dwindled. Eddie McGoldrick the last?






Graham Barrett is the last Irish player to tog out for Arsenal in 1999/2000.


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on June 12, 2020, 06:37:33 PM
I have been a Liverpool fan since 1985 losing the fa cup semi to United after a replay and the Heysel stadium disaster.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 12, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
Watched highlights of 1979 FA Cup final a while ago. Eight players from Ireland on show for both sides. Scotland had 4 or 5 too. Any wonder the Irish and British sides struggle internationally nowadays.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on June 12, 2020, 07:43:37 PM
Watched highlights of 1979 FA Cup final a while ago. Eight players from Ireland on show for both sides. Scotland had 4 or 5 too. Any wonder the Irish and British sides struggle internationally nowadays.

The pool of players for English league clubs to chose from comprised of players from Ireland/Scotland/Wales/England. There was no one fishing anywhere else. Clubs like Spurs with the Argentinian duo and Ipswich Town with players from Netherlands and Belguim in the early 80's began to break the mold. There were 33 foreign players in the top tier in 1991/92. I presume the standard is higher now based on numbers.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 12, 2020, 09:06:40 PM
I read there was 11 players from outside Britain and Ireland on the first day of the PL in 1992.

Most clubs would each have more than that these days.

As regards the standard, maybe it is better. But the PL is saturated with foreign players you wouldn’t even recognise or could pronounce, even if they played for your own team. In that regard, I prefer the old days.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ONeill on June 13, 2020, 09:54:16 AM
Foreign players.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Denn Forever on June 13, 2020, 11:55:05 AM
Player's won't have their names on the back.  Instead it will be BLACK LIVES MATTER. 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 13, 2020, 12:51:03 PM
Player's won't have their names on the back.  Instead it will be BLACK LIVES MATTER.

Great move
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2020, 12:51:21 PM
Player's won't have their names on the back.  Instead it will be BLACK LIVES MATTER.

Will they going down on one knee also?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 13, 2020, 02:01:51 PM
Player's won't have their names on the back.  Instead it will be BLACK LIVES MATTER.

 ::)

I don’t remember any solidarity shown towards James McClean when he got sectarian abuse. Or when Combat 18 threatened violence against Irish players playing in England.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 13, 2020, 02:43:38 PM
Player's won't have their names on the back.  Instead it will be BLACK LIVES MATTER.

Great move
I think it's a load of nonsense to be honest.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 13, 2020, 03:19:20 PM
Player's won't have their names on the back.  Instead it will be BLACK LIVES MATTER.

Great move
I think it's a load of nonsense to be honest.

+1

I think it's just getting silly now which was part of what I was trying to say on another thread.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on June 13, 2020, 05:15:37 PM
For 12 games!! Nearly 1/3 of next season. Pity James Mcclean didnt get the same support.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: MayoBuck on June 13, 2020, 05:18:14 PM
For 12 games!! Nearly 1/3 of next season. Pity James Mcclean didnt get the same support.

Do they not mean the 2 games on Wednesday and the 10 over next weekend? Surely not 12 rounds of games.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on June 13, 2020, 05:22:08 PM
For 12 games!! Nearly 1/3 of next season. Pity James Mcclean didnt get the same support.

Do they not mean the 2 games on Wednesday and the 10 over next weekend? Surely not 12 rounds of games.

D'oh!! I misheard talksport earlier. Well that makes alot more sense.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 14, 2020, 10:28:24 AM
2 more positive player tests in the PL.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Ed Ricketts on June 14, 2020, 02:18:26 PM
Vague memory of the 82 World Cup. Clear memory of Francein 1984. 84/85 season then and RTE were showing the odd live game on a Saturday. I'd plumped for Arsenal for no real reason. Relatively unsuccessful and dour under Don Howe. RTE showed them beating Hereford 6-1 in the cup and I thought I was onto a winner. York City turfed them out in the next round. Stuck with them and the 87 Littlewoods final was the first exhilarating moment. Since then it's been a trophy every 2-4 years although a bit barren after 05 for a while.

Arsenal had a big Irish influence early 80s but fairly dwindled. Eddie McGoldrick the last?






Graham Barrett is the last Irish player to tog out for Arsenal in 1999/2000.





This ballbag (https://www.arsenal.com/historic/players/anthony-stokes) got a few minutes since then:


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on June 14, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
Vague memory of the 82 World Cup. Clear memory of Francein 1984. 84/85 season then and RTE were showing the odd live game on a Saturday. I'd plumped for Arsenal for no real reason. Relatively unsuccessful and dour under Don Howe. RTE showed them beating Hereford 6-1 in the cup and I thought I was onto a winner. York City turfed them out in the next round. Stuck with them and the 87 Littlewoods final was the first exhilarating moment. Since then it's been a trophy every 2-4 years although a bit barren after 05 for a while.

Arsenal had a big Irish influence early 80s but fairly dwindled. Eddie McGoldrick the last?






Graham Barrett is the last Irish player to tog out for Arsenal in 1999/2000.





This ballbag (https://www.arsenal.com/historic/players/anthony-stokes) got a few minutes since then:





Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on June 14, 2020, 02:47:12 PM
Why the hate for ung Stokes lads? Cant honestly mind much overall was the dad a pub owner and a bit of a republican if i recall? Or was it drugs. Fill me in hi
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Ed Ricketts on June 14, 2020, 03:46:54 PM
Why the hate for ung Stokes lads? Cant honestly mind much overall was the dad a pub owner and a bit of a republican if i recall? Or was it drugs. Fill me in hi

Ah, do a bit of googling. Not too hard to dig up his track record. Also a boy that, when he was briefly good enough, never seemed too bothered about playing for his country.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 15, 2020, 10:14:56 AM
Just a couple of days away now.  Anyone expect big changes in form with no crowds there or will it just be the same as before.  I of course am hoping things will be slightly different  ;D

I am interested to hear the player shouts etc.  I am sure it wont be long until the Daily Mail has a headline about Sterling's use of foul language  ::)

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Taylor on June 15, 2020, 10:24:12 AM
So a Norwich player has tested - he played against Spurs but the Spurs players dont have to isolate as he wasnt within 2 metres of any of them for 15mins.

Has they way this virus spreads changed??
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 15, 2020, 10:35:24 AM
Just a couple of days away now.  Anyone expect big changes in form with no crowds there or will it just be the same as before.  I of course am hoping things will be slightly different  ;D

I am interested to hear the player shouts etc.  I am sure it wont be long until the Daily Mail has a headline about Sterling's use of foul language  ::)
I thought the fake crowd noise worked ok in the La Liga games I watched over the weekend.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 15, 2020, 03:52:40 PM
Just a couple of days away now.  Anyone expect big changes in form with no crowds there or will it just be the same as before.  I of course am hoping things will be slightly different  ;D

I am interested to hear the player shouts etc.  I am sure it wont be long until the Daily Mail has a headline about Sterling's use of foul language  ::)
I thought the fake crowd noise worked ok in the La Liga games I watched over the weekend.

Probably be a better atmosphere in the Emptyhad if there was fake crowd noise....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 15, 2020, 04:25:22 PM
Just a couple of days away now.  Anyone expect big changes in form with no crowds there or will it just be the same as before.  I of course am hoping things will be slightly different  ;D

I am interested to hear the player shouts etc.  I am sure it wont be long until the Daily Mail has a headline about Sterling's use of foul language  ::)
I thought the fake crowd noise worked ok in the La Liga games I watched over the weekend.

Probably be a better atmosphere in the Emptyhad if there was fake crowd noise....
Did they not already do this for a Champions League game?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: yewtree on June 15, 2020, 07:00:09 PM
Can't believe no where in Northern Ireland esp .Newry (please ) can't facilitate a drive through for Sunday's game - V Toffees .Could you use shopping centre car parks ?
Atmosphere would be brilliant , two more wins and we have her.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: larryin89 on June 15, 2020, 07:07:24 PM
Will all football clubs in the UK survive next season without crowds ?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 15, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
Can't believe no where in Northern Ireland esp .Newry (please ) can't facilitate a drive through for Sunday's game - V Toffees .Could you use shopping centre car parks ?
Atmosphere would be brilliant , two more wins and we have her.
The RDS are doing it in Dublin.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: MayoBuck on June 15, 2020, 08:17:46 PM
Just a couple of days away now.  Anyone expect big changes in form with no crowds there or will it just be the same as before.  I of course am hoping things will be slightly different  ;D

I am interested to hear the player shouts etc.  I am sure it wont be long until the Daily Mail has a headline about Sterling's use of foul language  ::)
I thought the fake crowd noise worked ok in the La Liga games I watched over the weekend.

I was watching the Bundesliga yesterday. The ball was put out of play due to an injury, Schalke were expecting Leverkusen to give it back to them but a Leverkusen player went through on goal and tried to score. The fake crowd whistled at that player for the next 10 minutes!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on June 15, 2020, 09:16:17 PM
Will all football clubs in the UK survive next season without crowds ?

No. If it went on longterm clubs as high as the championship will go bust.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 15, 2020, 10:31:49 PM
Can't believe no where in Northern Ireland esp .Newry (please ) can't facilitate a drive through for Sunday's game - V Toffees .Could you use shopping centre car parks ?
Atmosphere would be brilliant , two more wins and we have her.
The RDS are doing it in Dublin.

Can someone explain this to me cause it couldn't be as lame as it sounds?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 15, 2020, 11:20:28 PM
Can't believe no where in Northern Ireland esp .Newry (please ) can't facilitate a drive through for Sunday's game - V Toffees .Could you use shopping centre car parks ?
Atmosphere would be brilliant , two more wins and we have her.
The RDS are doing it in Dublin.

Can someone explain this to me cause it couldn't be as lane as it sounds?

You'll never beep beep alone
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 16, 2020, 10:01:52 AM
Can't believe no where in Northern Ireland esp .Newry (please ) can't facilitate a drive through for Sunday's game - V Toffees .Could you use shopping centre car parks ?
Atmosphere would be brilliant , two more wins and we have her.
The RDS are doing it in Dublin.


Can someone explain this to me cause it couldn't be as lane as it sounds?

You'll never beep beep alone

Those south Armagh lads have been watching games from their cars for years! Beeeeeeep!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 16, 2020, 10:41:58 AM
Can't believe no where in Northern Ireland esp .Newry (please ) can't facilitate a drive through for Sunday's game - V Toffees .Could you use shopping centre car parks ?
Atmosphere would be brilliant , two more wins and we have her.
The RDS are doing it in Dublin.

Those south Armagh lads have been watching games from their cars for years! Beeeeeeep!
Can someone explain this to me cause it couldn't be as lane as it sounds?

You'll never beep beep alone

Please note that only is referenced to Silverbridge and the like. South Armagh’s royalty would never resort to such common behaviour....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 16, 2020, 01:39:05 PM
Premier League footballers generally get a bad rap but recent work by guys like Sterling, Rashford, Troy Deeney, Wes Morgan, Jordan Henderson and others on racism and poverty seem to be making a real difference....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: TabClear on June 16, 2020, 05:01:18 PM
Premier League footballers generally get a bad rap but recent work by guys like Sterling, Rashford, Troy Deeney, Wes Morgan, Jordan Henderson and others on racism and poverty seem to be making a real difference....

Been seriously impressed by Rashford  over the past few weeks.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on June 16, 2020, 05:09:16 PM
Parliament have even done a u turn now on those school meals. Some going by him. Very impressive.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 16, 2020, 05:40:40 PM
Premier League footballers generally get a bad rap but recent work by guys like Sterling, Rashford, Troy Deeney, Wes Morgan, Jordan Henderson and others on racism and poverty seem to be making a real difference....

Been seriously impressed by Rashford  over the past few weeks.

This Trump loving attention seeker making a show of herself again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1272846168393953281
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: SHEEDY on June 16, 2020, 06:33:21 PM
Marcus rashford...take a bow. When fans are back he should get a standing ovation in every ground.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 16, 2020, 06:37:49 PM
Marcus rashford...take a bow. When fans are back he should get a standing ovation in every ground.

Yes he should.

Raheem Sterling too.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 16, 2020, 11:00:59 PM
Premier League footballers generally get a bad rap but recent work by guys like Sterling, Rashford, Troy Deeney, Wes Morgan, Jordan Henderson and others on racism and poverty seem to be making a real difference....

Been seriously impressed by Rashford  over the past few weeks.

This Trump loving attention seeker making a show of herself again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1272846168393953281

I don't like giving people like her the publicity she craves but she's really scraping the bottom of the barrel at this stage. The above tweet on the topic is disgusting but on the good side she managed to unite the city  :)

https://twitter.com/Football__Tweet/status/1272954044106113024?s=19
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 16, 2020, 11:34:02 PM
Premier League footballers generally get a bad rap but recent work by guys like Sterling, Rashford, Troy Deeney, Wes Morgan, Jordan Henderson and others on racism and poverty seem to be making a real difference....

Been seriously impressed by Rashford  over the past few weeks.

This Trump loving attention seeker making a show of herself again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1272846168393953281

Wasn't aware of her before.

Appears to be like an English version of Ann Coulter. Likes to say a lot of obnoxious, nonsensical right wing bollocks just to get attention.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 17, 2020, 05:53:56 PM
Not a good day for the null and voiders  ;D
Great to have it back.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: dec on June 17, 2020, 06:04:16 PM
Premier League footballers generally get a bad rap but recent work by guys like Sterling, Rashford, Troy Deeney, Wes Morgan, Jordan Henderson and others on racism and poverty seem to be making a real difference....

Been seriously impressed by Rashford  over the past few weeks.

This Trump loving attention seeker making a show of herself again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1272846168393953281


"I do not want to pay to feed other people’s kids."

The right wing political philosophy in one sentence.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 17, 2020, 07:00:25 PM
WTF is going on with the goal line tech at Villa Park?? ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on June 17, 2020, 07:00:34 PM
Lots of people don't want to pay for armed invasions of other countries. But we don't get to choose where our taxes go.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 17, 2020, 07:02:52 PM

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 17, 2020, 07:05:16 PM
Goal line technology should have given it but they'd probably have used VAR to then disallow it  :)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 17, 2020, 07:11:56 PM
It looked like the goal line technology wasn't working or something though.

Usually they put up the Hawkeye simulation, same as in Croke Park, to show whether it was a score or not. But there was nothing.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 17, 2020, 07:17:14 PM
I only half-heartedly glanced at a clip on Twitter and assumed the boy who bumped him was an attacker turns out it was his own man. Mirror journo on Twitter saying VAR could have intervened but once whistle blew for next infringement it couldn't anymore.

Every days a school day
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 17, 2020, 07:18:07 PM

 (https://imgbb.com/)

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
I was joking last week about players taking the knee!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: SHEEDY on June 17, 2020, 08:51:16 PM
Not a good day for the null and voiders  ;D
Great to have it back.
people will be begging for null and void if the rest of the season continues like this. Poor stuff.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 17, 2020, 08:57:18 PM
Two early injuries for Arsenal. Are there any changes to amount of subs that can be used, given that teams have been off so long, and matches will be coming thick and fast (all being well)?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 17, 2020, 09:03:56 PM
Switched it over to NBC they aren't using the fake crowd noise like Sky.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on June 17, 2020, 09:07:02 PM
David Luis gifts city the lead.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: general on June 17, 2020, 09:14:25 PM
Switched it over to NBC they aren't using the fake crowd noise like Sky.

Sky sports premier league aren't using fake noises

Sky sports main event are

2 different channels. 👍
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 17, 2020, 09:30:20 PM
Can it still be won at Everton?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: dec on June 17, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
Can it still be won at Everton?

Not unless City lose
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Geoff Tipps on June 17, 2020, 09:38:19 PM
Can it still be won at Everton?

No
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on June 17, 2020, 09:39:59 PM
Can it still be won at Everton?

If Arsenal score 3 in the last half hour then yes.

David Luis has put an end to Liverpools chances of sealing the deal at Everton.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on June 17, 2020, 09:47:22 PM
I have never understood why Arsenal bought him.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 17, 2020, 09:48:37 PM
Switched it over to NBC they aren't using the fake crowd noise like Sky.

They are in the US.

Both games today.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on June 17, 2020, 09:52:07 PM
Can it still be won at Everton?

If Arsenal score 3 in the last half hour then yes.

David Luis has put an end to Liverpools chances of sealing the deal at Everton.
And his chances of playing for Arsenal again. Good enough for him. Always was a twat.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ONeill on June 17, 2020, 09:53:45 PM
He must be good in a really good team.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 17, 2020, 10:00:15 PM
Quite a performance from Luiz in only 26 minutes  ;D

Subbed on 24'
Creates City opener 45'
Gives away peno for City's 2nd and gets red card 50'

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 19, 2020, 05:31:06 PM
Premier League footballers generally get a bad rap but recent work by guys like Sterling, Rashford, Troy Deeney, Wes Morgan, Jordan Henderson and others on racism and poverty seem to be making a real difference....

Been seriously impressed by Rashford  over the past few weeks.

This Trump loving attention seeker making a show of herself again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1272846168393953281


"I do not want to pay to feed other people’s kids."

The right wing political philosophy in one sentence.

Not before time


 (https://ibb.co/PQqpdLD)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 19, 2020, 09:20:37 PM
Roy Keane telling us what BennyCake has been telling everyone for years  ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 19, 2020, 10:11:51 PM
Roy Keane telling us what BennyCake has been telling everyone for years  ;D

That’s how I feel every game watching De Gea. He’s a very average keeper, and that’s being very kind to him.

Let’s hope when these 7/8 matches are played, he’s off. Bring Henderson back from Sheffield and give him his chance.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GJL on June 19, 2020, 10:19:55 PM
Jose definitely putting his stamp on spurs. 🚌🚌🚌
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 19, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
Nobody's even mentioned the most impressive thing of the night Keanos haircut  :D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 19, 2020, 11:08:24 PM
Nobody's even mentioned the most impressive thing of the night Keanos haircut  :D
It probably was his haircut because it certainly wasn't the quality of football
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on June 19, 2020, 11:15:29 PM
Nobody's even mentioned the most impressive thing of the night Keanos haircut  :D

It is his lockdown haircut. I wonder if he let his wife had a go. I shouldn't be talking withthe state of my lockdown haircut.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on June 19, 2020, 11:17:15 PM
I didn't think either penalty united got should have been awarded. Pogba dived for the first peno without a doubt.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 19, 2020, 11:27:02 PM
Nobody's even mentioned the most impressive thing of the night Keanos haircut  :D

It is his lockdown haircut. I wonder if he let his wife had a go. I shouldn't be talking withthe state of my lockdown haircut.

I got a black market haircut today, first cut since start of March. I was a f**king sight  ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 20, 2020, 07:36:37 PM
Watching West Ham this evening its easy to see why Karen Brady wanted the season called off. As for Wolves they could nip into 4th spot as they have a easier run-in on paper than Chelsea or Man United.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: yewtree on June 20, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
It is getting close now - feel like it is Christmas Eve . ,it is big pity Newry can't organise a drive thru screen for this game.So many locals are LFC fans and would be a boost for society here .Looks like that isn't happening but  there is about 6 socially distant fans will have ale and some pies watching .YNWA
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: MayoBuck on June 20, 2020, 10:23:42 PM
Watching West Ham this evening its easy to see why Karen Brady wanted the season called off. As for Wolves they could nip into 4th spot as they have a easier run-in on paper than Chelsea or Man United.

West ham and Bournemouth were dreadful today. Aston Villa might stay up at their expense.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2020, 12:56:39 AM
The form teams (bar arsenal) prior to lockdown have been doing rightly.

Expect Everton to be turned over easily enough tomorrow
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on June 21, 2020, 12:49:41 PM
The old RTE triumvirate, the panel, have moved onto an alternate pundit universe.
This week's podcast (http://"https://thestandwitheamondunphy.com/episode/779/") was interesting when the subject turned to the demise of Arsenal. Giles compared  Don Revie and the Leeds board  to when the Arsenal board ousted Wenger. He claimed the Leeds board hated Revie and hated the absolute control he had over team affairs, they could not wait to see the back of him . Both Giles and Brady concurred that similarly the Arsenal board hated Wenger's control and it was a constant battle in the last years with the board actively scuttling Wenger's decisions. That Emry a good coach, pretty much concluded that team decisions were firmly out his hands. And that Arsenal's chickens are coming home to roost starting with a football ignorant board taking control over football decisions.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2020, 02:48:52 PM
It is getting close now - feel like it is Christmas Eve . ,it is big pity Newry can't organise a drive thru screen for this game.So many locals are LFC fans and would be a boost for society here .Looks like that isn't happening but  there is about 6 socially distant fans will have ale and some pies watching .YNWA
YMCA
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 21, 2020, 04:26:02 PM
It is getting close now - feel like it is Christmas Eve . ,it is big pity Newry can't organise a drive thru screen for this game.So many locals are LFC fans and would be a boost for society here .Looks like that isn't happening but  there is about 6 socially distant fans will have ale and some pies watching .YNWA
YMCA
1995
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 21, 2020, 06:00:41 PM
New Everton stadium improvements looks super


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 21, 2020, 06:52:42 PM
It is getting close now - feel like it is Christmas Eve . ,it is big pity Newry can't organise a drive thru screen for this game.So many locals are LFC fans and would be a boost for society here .Looks like that isn't happening but  there is about 6 socially distant fans will have ale and some pies watching .YNWA
YMCA
1995
Steaua banners.
Ye're paranoid
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 21, 2020, 07:04:37 PM
The helicopter is annoying
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 24, 2020, 11:06:56 AM
Watching West Ham this evening its easy to see why Karen Brady wanted the season called off. As for Wolves they could nip into 4th spot as they have a easier run-in on paper than Chelsea or Man United.

West ham and Bournemouth were dreadful today. Aston Villa might stay up at their expense.

I actually cant see it.  Not with Villa's remaining fixtures.  Newcastle tonight is massive and if they play anything like against Chelsea they will be beaten again.

I look at that West Ham side, with some of the individual talent, and I am amazed they are in the thick of this.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 24, 2020, 11:26:59 AM
Watching West Ham this evening its easy to see why Karen Brady wanted the season called off. As for Wolves they could nip into 4th spot as they have a easier run-in on paper than Chelsea or Man United.

West ham and Bournemouth were dreadful today. Aston Villa might stay up at their expense.

I actually cant see it.  Not with Villa's remaining fixtures.  Newcastle tonight is massive and if they play anything like against Chelsea they will be beaten again.

I look at that West Ham side, with some of the individual talent, and I am amazed they are in the thick of this.

Touched by the Moyesiah...

Norwich are gone and then it’s 2 probable from all below Brighton...I reckon they’ll stay up. I personally hope it’s West Ham and Villa. Don’t know why but I particularly dislike both teams. Must be the claret jerseys as I dislike Burnley also.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2020, 11:49:08 AM
West Ham have been asking for it for awhile, funny the team rock bottom is the only from that whole list Watford/West Ham/Villa/Bouremouth that I'd have like to stay up but you have to think they are gone now.

Villa will be in serious financial trouble if they do slip down. Could be the end of them Leeds style.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 24, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
West Ham have been asking for it for awhile, funny the team rock bottom is the only from that whole list Watford/West Ham/Villa/Bouremouth that I'd have like to stay up but you have to think they are gone now.

Villa will be in serious financial trouble if they do slip down. Could be the end of them Leeds style.

What makes you believe this?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2020, 12:31:39 PM
West Ham have been asking for it for awhile, funny the team rock bottom is the only from that whole list Watford/West Ham/Villa/Bouremouth that I'd have like to stay up but you have to think they are gone now.

Villa will be in serious financial trouble if they do slip down. Could be the end of them Leeds style.

What makes you believe this?

TRANSFER RECORD
Income/Expenditure   Arrivals/Departures   Fee
Income   21   £3.60m
Expenditure   25   £143.19m
Overall balance   £-139.59m

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aston-villa/transfers/verein/405

We are seeing Man Utd and Spurs take out loans to cover costs during this time. Absolutely no chance Villa can cope.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on June 24, 2020, 12:39:52 PM
West Ham have been asking for it for awhile, funny the team rock bottom is the only from that whole list Watford/West Ham/Villa/Bouremouth that I'd have like to stay up but you have to think they are gone now.

Villa will be in serious financial trouble if they do slip down. Could be the end of them Leeds style.

What makes you believe this?

Their owners have a net worth of $4bn. They are obscenely wealthy. When they bought Villa they did not expect to get promoted 8 months later. That has been part of the problem this season in that the squad was not ready for the Premier League. If they go straight back down they will be financially better off having been in the Premier League for the 1 year. The money they spent on players is comfortably offset by the 1 year increase in income + the restarting of parachute payments (for 2 years rather than 3), which would have ended this year had they not been promoted.
Plus they will sell Grealish, and possibly McGinn for substantial, clean profit (minus something like £2m that McGinn cost).
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 24, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
They have two of the richest owners around by all accounts, who would have splashed more cash last summer if not constrained by FFP.

Add in parachute payments and revenues from the sale of Grealish (possibly McGinn and Mings too), I don't see there being a major problem.  In fact probably a better standing than when they went down last time with an owner who had given up on the club. 

Maybe I have rose tinted glasses here but from a couple of years ago when they couldn't pay the tax man to the takeover and where they are now, I don't see a major issue.

Also, FFP is being suspended.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 24, 2020, 12:41:13 PM
I get what you’re saying about Villa. I know there are parachute payments for relegated teams but not sure if they would save them. That’s a serious shortfall unless they can shift players. You’d expect them to fleece United though for Grealish so that would go a long way to putting a dent in that.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 24, 2020, 01:00:05 PM
Fair point about the owners being wealthy - So too are the Spurs and Utd owners, they just don't even dig into any of their own cash (rightly or wrongly). I don't know anything more about the owners of the club and their loyalty. It just strikes me insane if those two, raking in the cash or so I thought need to take out loans at (albeit at 0.5 or something) these clubs are not being run correctly if they can't handle a loss of income, which at that time was only at the very start of the pandemic....the next set of results will be even worse.

FFP being suspended might just get them off the hook alright but you have to imagine, if they did go down there would be a firesale with relegation clauses for anyone with a cute enough agent. Grealish is bound to have one, Mings surely too.

We don't know how long the no crowds will last, so I'm basing my assumption on the worst case scenario. Parachute payments are a nice comfort zone but missing out on that TV money would be major.

For what it's worth I hope Villa do stay up - I've no bias.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on June 24, 2020, 01:09:43 PM
I get what you’re saying about Villa. I know there are parachute payments for relegated teams but not sure if they would save them. That’s a serious shortfall unless they can shift players. You’d expect them to fleece United though for Grealish so that would go a long way to putting a dent in that.

Don't forget that shortfall is stretched out over the course of the relevant contracts, from an accounting perspective. For example, £20m transfer fee for Mings on a 4 year deal is £5m per year. Whereas £50m (potentially) for Grealish is all accounted for in 1 go, as he is an academy product.
Either way - the owners will swallow any tab. The money spent last summer was a pittance for them. They would have spent multiples of that if they were not restricted by FFP.
The main fear now is FFP stifling the ability to rebuild and get promoted again (I can't see Villa staying up this season). But FFP could be suspended, or could even be dead altogether if Man City somehow win their appeal.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on June 24, 2020, 01:13:51 PM
Fair point about the owners being wealthy - So too are the Spurs and Utd owners, they just don't even dig into any of their own cash (rightly or wrongly). I don't know anything more about the owners of the club and their loyalty. It just strikes me insane if those two, raking in the cash or so I thought need to take out loans at (albeit at 0.5 or something) these clubs are not being run correctly if they can't handle a loss of income, which at that time was only at the very start of the pandemic....the next set of results will be even worse.

FFP being suspended might just get them off the hook alright but you have to imagine, if they did go down there would be a firesale with relegation clauses for anyone with a cute enough agent. Grealish is bound to have one, Mings surely too.

We don't know how long the no crowds will last, so I'm basing my assumption on the worst case scenario. Parachute payments are a nice comfort zone but missing out on that TV money would be major.

For what it's worth I hope Villa do stay up - I've no bias.

The lack of matchday income has hit Spurs disproportionally. They have just invested in a new stadium that was to be full to capacity for 19 league games a year. Their ticket prices are high, and the match day experience is expensive. They banked on this.
Many team, like Villa, rarely sell out, and sell tickets at a fraction of the price. If Villa tried to charge London prices for match tickets in Birmingham there would be nobody in the stadium.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on June 25, 2020, 07:19:23 PM
In order to add crowd atmosphere authenticity to the Liverpool games, Sky could  insert recordings of You'll Never Walk Alone taken from Celtic Park.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on June 25, 2020, 07:28:52 PM
Hilarious
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2020, 08:16:51 PM
Seems City are concentrating on the FA cup, 16/5 Chelsea at home fighting for points seems a good bet
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 25, 2020, 08:52:08 PM
It's getting closer.......
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 25, 2020, 08:54:07 PM
WTF were City up to there? ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 25, 2020, 09:00:55 PM
WTF were City up to there? ;D
Was worse than the Gerrard slip imo.... ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on June 25, 2020, 10:03:51 PM
When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 25, 2020, 10:06:15 PM
4 mins.... to end 30 years of pain   
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: general on June 25, 2020, 10:31:47 PM
Fair play to liverpool - won the league on merit, be hard to stop again next year. if they keep hold of salah, firmino and  mane it wont be an issue next year. Man United Fan - Sickened to the skin.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on June 25, 2020, 10:31:59 PM
When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
For Man City it was,  wasn't that obvious?
Any comment on the main point?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2020, 10:37:16 PM
When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
For Man City it was,  wasn't that obvious?
Any comment on the main point?

For Manchester City it was not, Title was lost many months ago. A more important game for Chelsea who are looking to secure a Champions league spot.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on June 25, 2020, 10:43:30 PM
When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
For Man City it was,  wasn't that obvious?
Any comment on the main point?

For Manchester City it was not, Title was lost many months ago. A more important game for Chelsea who are looking to secure a Champions league spot.
You missed the obvious, perhaps time to change your name?
How about Private Obvious?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 25, 2020, 10:50:05 PM
Seems City are concentrating on the FA cup, 16/5 Chelsea at home fighting for points seems a good bet

Bitta trumpet blowing!

Anyways long overdue league title for Liverpool. One of the best teams to have played football.

Can’t see it being another 30 years, I thought after Ferguson left Utd would have won a title before Liverpool, not happening any day soon
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2020, 10:58:22 PM
When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
For Man City it was,  wasn't that obvious?
Any comment on the main point?

For Manchester City it was not, Title was lost many months ago. A more important game for Chelsea who are looking to secure a Champions league spot.
You missed the obvious, perhaps time to change your name?
How about Private Obvious?

I will so long as you change your name to Mr Silly comparisons.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on June 25, 2020, 11:03:21 PM
When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
For Man City it was,  wasn't that obvious?
Any comment on the main point?

For Manchester City it was not, Title was lost many months ago. A more important game for Chelsea who are looking to secure a Champions league spot.
You missed the obvious, perhaps time to change your name?
How about Private Obvious?

I will so long as you change your name to Mr Silly comparisons.
Any thoughts on the hand ball incident tonight  in comparison to the ire directed towards Suarez at WC 2010 regardless of your erronious suppositions on how seriously Man City took that game tonight?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 25, 2020, 11:56:48 PM


When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
For Man City it was,  wasn't that obvious?
Any comment on the main point?

For Manchester City it was not, Title was lost many months ago. A more important game for Chelsea who are looking to secure a Champions league spot.
You missed the obvious, perhaps time to change your name?
How about Private Obvious?

I will so long as you change your name to Mr Silly comparisons.
Any thoughts on the hand ball incident tonight  in comparison to the ire directed towards Suarez at WC 2010 regardless of your erronious suppositions on how seriously Man City took that game tonight?

None as I didn't watch the match.  A match I might have watched if it was high pressure game.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 26, 2020, 02:25:56 AM
CHAMPIONS.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on June 26, 2020, 09:08:47 AM


When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
For Man City it was,  wasn't that obvious?
Any comment on the main point?

For Manchester City it was not, Title was lost many months ago. A more important game for Chelsea who are looking to secure a Champions league spot.
You missed the obvious, perhaps time to change your name?
How about Private Obvious?

I will so long as you change your name to Mr Silly comparisons.
Any thoughts on the hand ball incident tonight  in comparison to the ire directed towards Suarez at WC 2010 regardless of your erronious suppositions on how seriously Man City took that game tonight?

None as I didn't watch the match.  A match I might have watched if it was high pressure game.
You didn’t even watch the game!!  Next you’’ll be replying to a question in the movie thread about a film you haven’t seen.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 26, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
I wonder were Mendy and Gundogan allowed back on the bus to Manchester after that balls up?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on June 26, 2020, 10:36:43 AM
Anyone who says it wasnt a high pressure game didn't watch it. The sheer desperation from Fernandinho said it all. Reminded me of spurs v Chelsea title decider in 2016.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: NAG1 on June 26, 2020, 10:51:24 AM
Anyone who says it wasnt a high pressure game didn't watch it. The sheer desperation from Fernandinho said it all. Reminded me of spurs v Chelsea title decider in 2016.

Any one who thought that was a high pressure game last night needs their head read. Chelsea were at it and needed the points to keep their CL plans alive, city relatively nothing to play for and it told.

Congrats to Liverpool great team and yeah it may have been 30 years but when their own fans are using the #unbearables kind of sums them up.  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 26, 2020, 10:55:04 AM
Anyone who says it wasnt a high pressure game didn't watch it. The sheer desperation from Fernandinho said it all. Reminded me of spurs v Chelsea title decider in 2016.
+1
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: RedHand88 on June 26, 2020, 11:13:29 AM
Anyone who says it wasnt a high pressure game didn't watch it. The sheer desperation from Fernandinho said it all. Reminded me of spurs v Chelsea title decider in 2016.

Any one who thought that was a high pressure game last night needs their head read. Chelsea were at it and needed the points to keep their CL plans alive, city relatively nothing to play for and it told.

Congrats to Liverpool great team and yeah it may have been 30 years but when their own fans are using the #unbearables kind of sums them up.  ;)

What is this weird obsession people have with trying to downplay liverpool's moment? It's just strange.
Like I said, city were playing like a team with alot to play for. It's the only way they know. Pep looked crestfallen.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 26, 2020, 11:53:47 AM
Anyone who says it wasnt a high pressure game didn't watch it. The sheer desperation from Fernandinho said it all. Reminded me of spurs v Chelsea title decider in 2016.

Any one who thought that was a high pressure game last night needs their head read. Chelsea were at it and needed the points to keep their CL plans alive, city relatively nothing to play for and it told.

Congrats to Liverpool great team and yeah it may have been 30 years but when their own fans are using the #unbearables kind of sums them up.  ;)

What is this weird obsession people have with trying to downplay liverpool's moment? It's just strange.
Like I said, city were playing like a team with alot to play for. It's the only way they know. Pep looked crestfallen.

He is a winner, of course it will have annoyed him. He'll be even more annoyed come next Premier League game.

If City had nothing to play for, or not treating it professionally, no chance Walker got back to do what he got last night - absolutely sensational clearance off the line.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 26, 2020, 02:16:11 PM


When you think of all the cra'p directed at Suarez for that goal line handball at WC 2010 qf. and here you have a similar incident in this game, an instinctive reaction in a high pressure game.

Tonight a high pressure game?
For Man City it was,  wasn't that obvious?
Any comment on the main point?

For Manchester City it was not, Title was lost many months ago. A more important game for Chelsea who are looking to secure a Champions league spot.
You missed the obvious, perhaps time to change your name?
How about Private Obvious?

I will so long as you change your name to Mr Silly comparisons.
Any thoughts on the hand ball incident tonight  in comparison to the ire directed towards Suarez at WC 2010 regardless of your erronious suppositions on how seriously Man City took that game tonight?

None as I didn't watch the match.  A match I might have watched if it was high pressure game.
You didn’t even watch the game!!  Next you’’ll be replying to a question in the movie thread about a film you haven’t seen.

A reply was needed as you thinking that was a high pressure game for Manchester City was most bizarre.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Taylor on June 26, 2020, 02:50:21 PM
As a City fan I am not gutted over last nights game - the league was not lost last night.

It definitely wasnt a high pressure game for us - not even close to it.

We had nothing to play for.

We have a very good squad but are second to an exceptional team (not an exceptional squad - the Liverpool first team are right up there with any of the best teams)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 26, 2020, 03:02:24 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2020, 03:08:37 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.

Would agree with that but I genuinely think this Liverpool team will be seen in the group of great teams. They pushed City last year to the very edge and everyone believed that City team was the greatest ever. They were in back to back CL finals winning one and in a EL final and League Cup final which they lost. I think once they got the monkey off their back there was no holding back. I have seen some outstanding Liverpool teams but as an 11 or maybe up to 14-15 players, I have never seen better.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Taylor on June 26, 2020, 03:55:38 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.

Would agree with that but I genuinely think this Liverpool team will be seen in the group of great teams. They pushed City last year to the very edge and everyone believed that City team was the greatest ever. They were in back to back CL finals winning one and in a EL final and League Cup final which they lost. I think once they got the monkey off their back there was no holding back. I have seen some outstanding Liverpool teams but as an 11 or maybe up to 14-15 players, I have never seen better.


You are right about the 11 Liverpool have - unbelievable.

Wouldnt say there are another 3 or 4 players outside of that who are outstanding - not even close?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: johnnycool on June 26, 2020, 04:00:47 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.

Would agree with that but I genuinely think this Liverpool team will be seen in the group of great teams. They pushed City last year to the very edge and everyone believed that City team was the greatest ever. They were in back to back CL finals winning one and in a EL final and League Cup final which they lost. I think once they got the monkey off their back there was no holding back. I have seen some outstanding Liverpool teams but as an 11 or maybe up to 14-15 players, I have never seen better.

I hear what you're saying about the league last year, CL, Super Cup, World club and all that but I think they really won't want to be remembered as the one in a row team and will bust their balls next year.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on June 26, 2020, 05:02:35 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.

Would agree with that but I genuinely think this Liverpool team will be seen in the group of great teams. They pushed City last year to the very edge and everyone believed that City team was the greatest ever. They were in back to back CL finals winning one and in a EL final and League Cup final which they lost. I think once they got the monkey off their back there was no holding back. I have seen some outstanding Liverpool teams but as an 11 or maybe up to 14-15 players, I have never seen better.

I hear what you're saying about the league last year, CL, Super Cup, World club and all that but I think they really won't want to be remembered as the one in a row team and will bust their balls next year.

and now they can set themselves up with a nice starting advantage for next season. they have the next 7 games off (if they want) while many of their rivals will still be pushing hard for champions league qualification.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2020, 05:04:29 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.

Would agree with that but I genuinely think this Liverpool team will be seen in the group of great teams. They pushed City last year to the very edge and everyone believed that City team was the greatest ever. They were in back to back CL finals winning one and in a EL final and League Cup final which they lost. I think once they got the monkey off their back there was no holding back. I have seen some outstanding Liverpool teams but as an 11 or maybe up to 14-15 players, I have never seen better.


You are right about the 11 Liverpool have - unbelievable.

Wouldnt say there are another 3 or 4 players outside of that who are outstanding - not even close?

Matip, Milner and Keita are top players and would start in most teams. They are not as good as the players that start but a serious players
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on June 26, 2020, 05:17:06 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.

Would agree with that but I genuinely think this Liverpool team will be seen in the group of great teams. They pushed City last year to the very edge and everyone believed that City team was the greatest ever. They were in back to back CL finals winning one and in a EL final and League Cup final which they lost. I think once they got the monkey off their back there was no holding back. I have seen some outstanding Liverpool teams but as an 11 or maybe up to 14-15 players, I have never seen better.


You are right about the 11 Liverpool have - unbelievable.

Wouldnt say there are another 3 or 4 players outside of that who are outstanding - not even close?

Matip, Milner and Keita are top players and would start in most teams. They are not as good as the players that start but a serious players

I’d add the Ox to that as well
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 26, 2020, 06:01:53 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.

Would agree with that but I genuinely think this Liverpool team will be seen in the group of great teams. They pushed City last year to the very edge and everyone believed that City team was the greatest ever. They were in back to back CL finals winning one and in a EL final and League Cup final which they lost. I think once they got the monkey off their back there was no holding back. I have seen some outstanding Liverpool teams but as an 11 or maybe up to 14-15 players, I have never seen better.

I hear what you're saying about the league last year, CL, Super Cup, World club and all that but I think they really won't want to be remembered as the one in a row team and will bust their balls next year.

Can’t see anyone but City challenging Liverpool next season. The others are nowhere near winning a title.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 26, 2020, 06:16:15 PM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.

Would agree with that but I genuinely think this Liverpool team will be seen in the group of great teams. They pushed City last year to the very edge and everyone believed that City team was the greatest ever. They were in back to back CL finals winning one and in a EL final and League Cup final which they lost. I think once they got the monkey off their back there was no holding back. I have seen some outstanding Liverpool teams but as an 11 or maybe up to 14-15 players, I have never seen better.


You are right about the 11 Liverpool have - unbelievable.

Wouldnt say there are another 3 or 4 players outside of that who are outstanding - not even close?

Matip, Milner and Keita are top players and would start in most teams. They are not as good as the players that start but a serious players

I’d add the Ox to that as well

Absolutely
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 26, 2020, 07:38:56 PM
When it comes to outstanding I'd reserve that word for Klopp. How many of Liverpools current first choice 11 was regarded as world class or even known worldwide before Klopp got the very best out of them both individually and collectively?
 
The most impressive thing about Klopps Liverpool team over the years has been their team play and workrate. The energy levels are highly impressive also.

The structures of the club are so solid nowadays a far cry from the mess they were once in and Klopp is working behind the scenes with very astute people especially Michael Edwards.

A better challenge(er) in a better quality Premier league might happen next season though I'd be very surprised if Liverpool don't retain the league title.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on June 26, 2020, 07:43:41 PM
Where’s the poster stallion with all his reservations about Klopp? (Unless he has been reincarnated as another poster.)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 26, 2020, 08:26:42 PM
Stallion was never a Liverpool supporter! Complete dick, there’s another poster on there also who’s not but claiming to be one! Why would you bother?

Again the football has be outstanding and Klopp is something else, 4ish years to turn a club around to what they are now is some going
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on June 26, 2020, 09:50:24 PM
Klopp fixed the main problem in the team which was the defence and goalkeeper.  Though he persisted with Mignolet for a while, and then Karius. His calamity in the champions league final v Madrid, paved the way for an upgrade.  He held back Robertson for a while, Moreno was left back for a while, his horror show v Sevilla in EL was a glaring flaw in defence.

He's turned Salah into a top player. Mourinho had him and Dr Bruyne at Chelsea and gave up on them fairly quick.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on June 26, 2020, 09:56:12 PM
I don’t think Robertson was ready for that intensity of game though when Moreno was first choice. I think he even said it himself.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on June 26, 2020, 11:58:30 PM
I don’t think Robertson was ready for that intensity of game though when Moreno was first choice. I think he even said it himself.

Same with Fabinho when he came in.

They had to work their way into it.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2020, 12:13:09 AM
I don’t think Robertson was ready for that intensity of game though when Moreno was first choice. I think he even said it himself.

Same with Fabinho when he came in.

They had to work their way into it.

Both players had potential and have went beyond where must people thought they’d be! Fair fucks to them to, brilliant players
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: sid waddell on June 27, 2020, 02:13:45 AM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.
Liverpool's 1987/88 team which won the league by a street is one of the best remembered Liverpool teams.

Arsenal's invincibles are well remembered too.

So too Everton 1984/85 who had a fearsome team.

There's a difference between teams who win by a mile who set a new standard, ie. the current Liverpool and Manchester City teams, AC Milan of the 1990s and Guardiola's Barcelona and teams who win leagues comfortably but don't really do anything special, ie. Chelsea 2006/2015/17, Manchester United 2000/2001/2013. Chelsea's best remembered (relatively speaking) league winning team is probably 2005 which was their easiest of all.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 30, 2020, 08:55:54 AM
The rest of the premier league have been poor this season though.

Surely the Everton v Leicester game cannot go ahead with the lockdown being imposed on that city?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 30, 2020, 09:33:37 AM
The rest of the premier league have been poor this season though.

That’s BS. The PL had the 2 winners of the European trophies from last season, Man City considered the greatest PL side ever, albeit a small bit disjointed this year but still very good. If you look at this years European competitions City will give the CL a real run and United will do the same in the EL. Then you have the likes of Wolves, Leicester, Sheff United all pushing hard. Spurs and arsenal have gone off the boil and even you boys could make a fist of it with Carlo in command if your fans got their chip off their shoulder and your club sorted out their finances.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 30, 2020, 09:50:16 AM
Ah look Liverpool have been magnificent this couple of seasons but it's hard to dispute the rest of top 5/6 have been middling at best this season. It's not a slight on Liverpool at all just the way things work sometimes
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 30, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.
Liverpool's 1987/88 team which won the league by a street is one of the best remembered Liverpool teams.

Arsenal's invincibles are well remembered too.

So too Everton 1984/85 who had a fearsome team.

There's a difference between teams who win by a mile who set a new standard, ie. the current Liverpool and Manchester City teams, AC Milan of the 1990s and Guardiola's Barcelona and teams who win leagues comfortably but don't really do anything special, ie. Chelsea 2006/2015/17, Manchester United 2000/2001/2013. Chelsea's best remembered (relatively speaking) league winning team is probably 2005 which was their easiest of all.

That particular team holds a defensive record that I think might never be beaten.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on June 30, 2020, 10:26:40 AM
Teams who run away with the title like Liverpool (or United in 2000 and 2001), rarely get the credit they deserve. Teams who win a tight, close race always seem to get more credit and are better remembered.
Liverpool's 1987/88 team which won the league by a street is one of the best remembered Liverpool teams.

Arsenal's invincibles are well remembered too.

So too Everton 1984/85 who had a fearsome team.

There's a difference between teams who win by a mile who set a new standard, ie. the current Liverpool and Manchester City teams, AC Milan of the 1990s and Guardiola's Barcelona and teams who win leagues comfortably but don't really do anything special, ie. Chelsea 2006/2015/17, Manchester United 2000/2001/2013. Chelsea's best remembered (relatively speaking) league winning team is probably 2005 which was their easiest of all.

That particular team holds a defensive record that I think might never be beaten.

Their 2010 team, under Ancelotti, is often forgotten too. They scored over 100 goals in the league, and won the double. Brilliant side.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 30, 2020, 10:53:37 AM
Uniteds 2000 team was decent too, over 90 points, 100ish league goals. Their only crime was that they didn't win the treble like the previous year. Every league winning team must have something to recommend them, or else they wouldn't be league champions I suppose  :)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 30, 2020, 10:59:00 AM
Ah look Liverpool have been magnificent this couple of seasons but it's hard to dispute the rest of top 5/6 have been middling at best this season. It's not a slight on Liverpool at all just the way things work sometimes

It’s rare though that in any year you have more than 3 teams pushing hard at the top. Normally 1 and 2 are close with a 3rd team in it till about 7-8 games to go. We have streaked ahead this year. Last year was seen as one of the best years ever because City and ourselves were so tight till the end. We have stepped another level up and City have faltered.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on July 01, 2020, 08:17:13 PM
Chelsea wearing Waterford GAA training tops tonight.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on July 01, 2020, 08:52:14 PM
Ah look Liverpool have been magnificent this couple of seasons but it's hard to dispute the rest of top 5/6 have been middling at best this season. It's not a slight on Liverpool at all just the way things work sometimes

It’s rare though that in any year you have more than 3 teams pushing hard at the top. Normally 1 and 2 are close with a 3rd team in it till about 7-8 games to go. We have streaked ahead this year. Last year was seen as one of the best years ever because City and ourselves were so tight till the end. We have stepped another level up and City have faltered.

I do think if Liverpool had dropped a few points here and there city might not have dropped so many but it was just Liverpool were  relentless. It’s not like city have been poor. They definitely aren’t as good as last season but on the flip side Liverpool are better.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2020, 08:52:22 PM
Ah look Liverpool have been magnificent this couple of seasons but it's hard to dispute the rest of top 5/6 have been middling at best this season. It's not a slight on Liverpool at all just the way things work sometimes

It’s rare though that in any year you have more than 3 teams pushing hard at the top. Normally 1 and 2 are close with a 3rd team in it till about 7-8 games to go. We have streaked ahead this year. Last year was seen as one of the best years ever because City and ourselves were so tight till the end. We have stepped another level up and City have faltered.

Injuries to key players for City’s defence hurt them more than Liverpool’s injuries. Liverpool have been brilliant and we’re definitely spurned in by losing to city the year before
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on July 01, 2020, 09:07:41 PM
Ah look Liverpool have been magnificent this couple of seasons but it's hard to dispute the rest of top 5/6 have been middling at best this season. It's not a slight on Liverpool at all just the way things work sometimes

It’s rare though that in any year you have more than 3 teams pushing hard at the top. Normally 1 and 2 are close with a 3rd team in it till about 7-8 games to go. We have streaked ahead this year. Last year was seen as one of the best years ever because City and ourselves were so tight till the end. We have stepped another level up and City have faltered.

I do think if Liverpool had dropped a few points here and there city might not have dropped so many but it was just Liverpool were  relentless. It’s not like city have been poor. They definitely aren’t as good as last season but on the flip side Liverpool are better.

City have lost 8 games in the League. Thats poor by their standards. The injuries in defence was a setback, didn't really replace Kompany either. Sane was brilliant when they reached over 100 pts in the League. He was injured for most of this season, off to Bayern now
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on July 01, 2020, 09:15:08 PM
I don’t think they would have dropped as many had Liverpool not been as relentless. Yes they have been hit harder by injuries too which hasn’t helped particularly in defense.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on July 02, 2020, 12:53:37 AM
Leicester and Chelsea both lost tonight opening the door to Man Utd to grab a champions league spot.

Chelsea lost 3-2 to West Ham in what was probably the best most entertaining game since the restart.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on July 02, 2020, 07:51:55 AM
Leicester and Chelsea both lost tonight opening the door to Man Utd to grab a champions league spot.

Chelsea lost 3-2 to West Ham in what was probably the best most entertaining game since the restart.
Wouldn't rule out Wolves yet either...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on July 02, 2020, 08:46:44 AM
Leicester and Chelsea both lost tonight opening the door to Man Utd to grab a champions league spot.

Chelsea lost 3-2 to West Ham in what was probably the best most entertaining game since the restart.
Wouldn't rule out Wolves yet either...

It's any two from four now for champ league places or three if City's ban holds. At a quick glance Leicester have the toughest run in plus their dropoff in form is alarming. As a curiosity they play each other on the final day with Chelsea home to Wolves and Leicester home to United.

PP currently go
Utd 4/9
Chelsea 1/2
Leicester 4/5
Wolves 11/4

So if you fancy Wolves get on now...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2020, 08:51:01 PM
The boys must be still on the piss
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 02, 2020, 09:19:34 PM
The boys must be still on the piss

Some of them don't even drink. Would be more riding on American pre-season friendly between the two clubs than that game tonight.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ONeill on July 02, 2020, 09:23:55 PM
Reminds me of the match after Arsenal won the league in 98. Lost 4-0 away to Liverpool, 3-0 down at HT.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2020, 09:50:51 PM
Ah f**k it, just stick it in our own net!

Nothing to play for and time to play the kids
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ONeill on July 02, 2020, 10:34:33 PM
Salty from Klopp.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: SHEEDY on July 02, 2020, 10:53:49 PM
Salty from Klopp.
the media mask slips, was there any need for that 'salty' interview
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 02, 2020, 11:06:21 PM
You boys will grab at anything, yis are worse than the DUP 😉

video of the the week has to be Ancelotti/Luke Garbutt btw 😃
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on July 02, 2020, 11:21:26 PM
Geoff Shreeves being a c**k as usual tonight.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: johnnycool on July 03, 2020, 10:00:19 AM
You boys will grab at anything, yis are worse than the DUP 😉

video of the the week has to be Ancelotti/Luke Garbutt btw 😃

Garbutt has been on loan since Ancelotti has been at Everton.

Didn't look good, but hardly surprising considering he's never even seen the lad.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 03, 2020, 12:30:28 PM
Ach i know. Doesnt stop it being funny tho.

In fairness the chap took it well.
Always an element of trying to catch the interviewee out with Sky in my opinion, and others
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 11, 2020, 04:28:46 PM
Norwich officially relegated, hard not to see Bournemouth and Villa joining them now.


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Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on July 12, 2020, 04:36:54 PM
The highly anticipated battle for 8th is underway at the Lane  8)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2020, 04:52:35 PM
The highly anticipated battle for 8th is underway at the Lane  8)

Lively start. Some strike for the opener, David Luiz as poor as ever for the Tottenham goal
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on July 12, 2020, 04:54:00 PM
The highly anticipated battle for 8th is underway at the Lane  8)

Lively start. Some strike for the opener, David Luiz as poor as ever for the Tottenham goal

Ah in fairness to him the other lad sold him down the river there. It is end to end though
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: snoopdog on July 12, 2020, 08:57:53 PM
Norwich officially relegated, hard not to see Bournemouth and Villa joining them now.


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Villa and Bournemouth giving it a go.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 12, 2020, 09:02:01 PM
Good results for Bournemouth, Villa today they aren't going down without a fight.

At the other end of the table it's looking dodgy for Leicester, it will be poor by Brendan Rodgers and his team if from such a great position don't finish 4th at least.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on July 12, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
The result of City's appeal to CAS is released in the morning, has huge ramifications for a whole load of reasons.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on July 12, 2020, 10:42:08 PM
The highly anticipated battle for 8th is underway at the Lane  8)

Lively start. Some strike for the opener, David Luiz as poor as ever for the Tottenham goal

Ah in fairness to him the other lad sold him down the river there. It is end to end though
Ultimately it was not his fault but he definitely could have done better IMO.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on July 12, 2020, 11:28:36 PM
The highly anticipated battle for 8th is underway at the Lane  8)

Lively start. Some strike for the opener, David Luiz as poor as ever for the Tottenham goal

Ah in fairness to him the other lad sold him down the river there. It is end to end though
Ultimately it was not his fault but he definitely could have done better IMO.

There's plenty of milage in blaming Luiz but in this instance I reckon blame is 80/90% with other guy. Luiz got to be mindful of another red card?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on July 12, 2020, 11:34:47 PM
The highly anticipated battle for 8th is underway at the Lane  8)

Lively start. Some strike for the opener, David Luiz as poor as ever for the Tottenham goal

Ah in fairness to him the other lad sold him down the river there. It is end to end though
Ultimately it was not his fault but he definitely could have done better IMO.

There's plenty of milage in blaming Luiz but in this instance I reckon blame is 80/90% with other guy. Luiz got to be mindful of another red card?
Yeah, the blame lies with the poor pass no doubt. Still, you’d be expecting an attempt to get a foot on the ball/tackle in. I appreciate that the circumstances may have given the game a friendly feel but it’s the NL derby, take the chance (of a red)!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on July 12, 2020, 11:40:11 PM
After 18mins?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on July 12, 2020, 11:42:47 PM
After 18mins?
The alternative was never going to be great, was it? I think he had a great chance of getting something on the ball.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GJL on July 13, 2020, 09:37:40 AM
City have succeeded in overturning their ban. Free to play in the Champions League next season. 4th place has just become very important!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 13, 2020, 10:04:15 AM
City have succeeded in overturning their ban. Free to play in the Champions League next season. 4th place has just become very important!

Pathetic stuff. Caught rotten money laundering. Why bother having rules?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on July 13, 2020, 10:04:47 AM
City have succeeded in overturning their ban. Free to play in the Champions League next season. 4th place has just become very important!

Was it ever in doubt?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: OgraAnDun on July 13, 2020, 10:17:31 AM
Wonder how they got off  ::)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on July 13, 2020, 11:28:09 AM
City have succeeded in overturning their ban. Free to play in the Champions League next season. 4th place has just become very important!

Was it ever in doubt?

Yes. General consensus was CAS would reduce the ban, not decide that financial fair play itself was illegal.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on July 13, 2020, 11:35:53 AM
City have succeeded in overturning their ban. Free to play in the Champions League next season. 4th place has just become very important!

Pathetic stuff. Caught rotten money laundering. Why bother having rules?

That’s the end of FFP.

Good luck competing for players (and thus trophies) with the likes of City and PSG now.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 13, 2020, 12:17:55 PM
City have succeeded in overturning their ban. Free to play in the Champions League next season. 4th place has just become very important!

Was it ever in doubt?

No, at the end of the day money talks.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on July 13, 2020, 12:42:46 PM
Wonder how they got off  ::)
  MC were allowed to bring in "new" evidence in the appeal to CAS, evidence  that they had previously not allowed Uefa to access. Apparently  that "new "evidence was enough to  get them off the hook. CAS just  found them guilty of not cooperating with the original inquiry.
Of course one may wonder why Man C denied access to UEFA  to that evidence  that would have cleared them in the first inquiry and  how much of the new evidence was constructed or reconstructed in the interval period.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on July 13, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
Wonder how they got off  ::)
  MC were allowed to bring in "new" evidence in the appeal to CAS, evidence  that they had previously not allowed Uefa to access. Apparently  that "new "evidence was enough to  get them off the hook. CAS just  found them guilty of not cooperating with the original inquiry.
Of course one may wonder why Man C denied access to UEFA  to that evidence  that would have cleared them in the first inquiry and  how much of the new evidence was constructed or reconstructed in the interval period.

I’m willing to bet this “new” evidence was in a big brown envelope.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on July 13, 2020, 12:52:51 PM
City have succeeded in overturning their ban. Free to play in the Champions League next season. 4th place has just become very important!

Was it ever in doubt?

Yes. General consensus was CAS would reduce the ban, not decide that financial fair play itself was illegal.

I never gave this a moments thought when I first heard of this ban. I knew for certain it’d be overturned. Money talks.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2020, 01:43:29 PM
I never thought Utd might actually get near Leicester’s goal tally. Huge game for Utd though I expect a few twists and turns before that. Chelsea I thought would beat Liverpool but their form would suggest otherwise
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 13, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
UEFA are incompetent, a lot of the evidence couldn't be used because it was time barred.

City are allegedly still at it but whether UEFA have the appetite to go after them I doubt it; Unfortunately all the sponsors involved are linked to the City's owners so there not going to get any co-operation from then. The emails suggested that City were receiving sponsorship money from 2 different accounts, one from the sponsor than the majority from accounts linked to the owners.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 13, 2020, 04:44:18 PM
FFP has been a disaster since day one. It came about for the wrong reasons, under the pretence of protecting clubs. We can all remember the nauseating "Big 4" nonsense that Sky and others pedalled in the 00's. Those of us with memories longer than 10 years wondering how Chelsea could be held in such "esteem". I was more than happy to see Man City rise up and break that up. I would also be more than happy to see them fall back now. The fortunes of clubs should rise and fall (and maybe rise again) over time. At least that is my idea of how it should be. FFP was brought in to stop that being that case. To say that those clubs who have risen at this point in time shall now have a big deep moat around them, and no other clubs should dare think about breaking in ever again. I hope this blows it up altogether - but I won't get my hopes up.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on July 13, 2020, 07:00:35 PM
At least this ends the prospect of city only having to compete in the premier league next season giving them an unfair advantage in that competition.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on July 13, 2020, 10:18:13 PM
Great to see another Irish player score tonight 🙂
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2020, 10:54:49 PM
Great to see another Irish player score tonight 🙂

What county is he from? County Hackney  ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: An Watcher on July 13, 2020, 11:44:30 PM
Who cares, all of a sudden we have Connolly, Obafemi, McGoldrick and Long all plying their trade in the Premier League with a few goals to boot
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 13, 2020, 11:55:03 PM
Great to see another Irish player score tonight 🙂

What county is he from? County Hackney  ;D

Born in Dublin wasn't he?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2020, 12:02:18 AM
Great to see another Irish player score tonight 🙂

What county is he from? County Hackney  ;D

Born in Dublin wasn't he?

You didn’t hear his interview?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on July 14, 2020, 12:07:43 AM
Great to see another Irish player score tonight 🙂

What county is he from? County Hackney  ;D

Born in Dublin wasn't he?

You didn’t hear his interview?
An accent can wash away the original sin of being Dublin born?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on July 14, 2020, 04:52:47 AM
Great to see another Irish player score tonight 🙂

What county is he from? County Hackney  ;D

Born in Dublin wasn't he?

You didn’t hear his interview?
An accent can wash away the original sin of being Dublin born?

He needs to work on his Tallaght accent. He has gone all English in his speech.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 14, 2020, 10:28:20 AM
Granda was an Irish man....he is a Sherwood man!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
Not PL, but worth a mention.

We could have a record here.

Half time:

Wigan 7 Hull 0
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 15, 2020, 08:01:53 PM
Wolves denied a very important win due to a dodgy looking penalty deep into injury time.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on July 17, 2020, 11:14:35 AM
Who cares, all of a sudden we have Connolly, Obafemi, McGoldrick and Long all plying their trade in the Premier League with a few goals to boot

Smallbone getting a few games for Southampton too and looks decent.

Villa completely f*cked it up last night. 1 nil up, missed a sitter from 1 yard and then let Everton score a late equaliser. Now the only hope is that either West Ham or Watford don't pick up any more points (same with Bournemouth) and hope Villa beat Arsenal and West Ham.  Bob Hope and No Hope...

The race for the Arsene Wenger 4th place trophy is really heating up too.  I think Chelsea will just hold on for fourth with Utd finishing 3rd.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: thebigfella on July 17, 2020, 11:49:38 AM
Here is how I think this will play out.

Leicester to beat Spurs
Utd to beat Hammers
Pool to beat Chelsea

Due to their superiour goal difference the Leicester Utd game will be played out as a boring nil all draw; like those world cup group games were both teams need a draw to qualify out of the group.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 17, 2020, 12:13:33 PM
Who cares, all of a sudden we have Connolly, Obafemi, McGoldrick and Long all plying their trade in the Premier League with a few goals to boot

Smallbone getting a few games for Southampton too and looks decent.

Villa completely f*cked it up last night. 1 nil up, missed a sitter from 1 yard and then let Everton score a late equaliser. Now the only hope is that either West Ham or Watford don't pick up any more points (same with Bournemouth) and hope Villa beat Arsenal and West Ham.  Bob Hope and No Hope...

The race for the Arsene Wenger 4th place trophy is really heating up too.  I think Chelsea will just hold on for fourth with Utd finishing 3rd.

West Ham play Watford tonight
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on July 17, 2020, 12:36:14 PM
Who cares, all of a sudden we have Connolly, Obafemi, McGoldrick and Long all plying their trade in the Premier League with a few goals to boot

Smallbone getting a few games for Southampton too and looks decent.

Villa completely f*cked it up last night. 1 nil up, missed a sitter from 1 yard and then let Everton score a late equaliser. Now the only hope is that either West Ham or Watford don't pick up any more points (same with Bournemouth) and hope Villa beat Arsenal and West Ham.  Bob Hope and No Hope...

The race for the Arsene Wenger 4th place trophy is really heating up too.  I think Chelsea will just hold on for fourth with Utd finishing 3rd.

West Ham play Watford tonight

Yeah hard to know what way I'd prefer that to go. Maybe West Ham to lose it, and then lose to Utd. Showdown with Villa last game of the season. Providing villa have at least scraped a draw v Arsenal (unlikely).

Or Watford to lose it, get a thumping off city and lose to Arsenal.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: An Watcher on July 17, 2020, 01:02:40 PM
West Hams goal difference looks like another point at this stage. I think villa's best bet is west ham winning and then being safe so not really giving two shits about the last game. Watford getting tanked in the meantime
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 17, 2020, 02:27:21 PM
West Hams goal difference looks like another point at this stage. I think villa's best bet is west ham winning and then being safe so not really giving two shits about the last game. Watford getting tanked in the meantime

Yeah a draw this evening would be the worst result for Villa and B'mouth. Would need 2 wins then. West Ham and Watford will both know this, and if they are level with 20 mins to go I don't see either of them pushing too hard to chase a winner.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on July 17, 2020, 03:26:57 PM
Here is how I think this will play out.

Leicester to beat Spurs
Utd to beat Hammers
Pool to beat Chelsea

Due to their superiour goal difference the Leicester Utd game will be played out as a boring nil all draw; like those world cup group games were both teams need a draw to qualify out of the group.

did you copy and paste that from match of the day last night  ::)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on July 17, 2020, 10:45:45 PM
West Ham got a big win tonight against Watford to make West Ham all but safe. Watford on the other hand could be in a bit of trouble with 2 tough games left.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 18, 2020, 10:39:46 AM
West Ham got a big win tonight against Watford to make West Ham all but safe. Watford on the other hand could be in a bit of trouble with 2 tough games left.

Bournemouth have the kindest run in. Watford’s goal difference could take a battering on Tuesday if Man City are in the mood. Villa need at least 4 points as their gd is the poorest of the 3. The interest levels of their opponents will decide a lot. Arsenal, City, Everton, West Ham, Southampton.  None of them have anything to play for really. Although in Southampton’s case they won’t want to lose a derby.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 19, 2020, 03:33:43 PM
Nigel Pearson sacked as Watford manager with two games to play.

Bournemouth beaten by Southampton but their relegation fight along with Villa should go down to the final day seeing that Watford play City next.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 19, 2020, 11:46:56 PM
West Ham got a big win tonight against Watford to make West Ham all but safe. Watford on the other hand could be in a bit of trouble with 2 tough games left.

Bournemouth have the kindest run in. Watford’s goal difference could take a battering on Tuesday if Man City are in the mood. Villa need at least 4 points as their gd is the poorest of the 3. The interest levels of their opponents will decide a lot. Arsenal, City, Everton, West Ham, Southampton.  None of them have anything to play for really. Although in Southampton’s case they won’t want to lose a derby.

If Watford's goal difference does take a battering, then Villa could sneak safe even with a narrow loss and a narrow win.

Following set of results would see Villa safe:
Watford 0 - 3 Man City
Villa 0 - 1 Arsenal
West Ham 0 - 1 Villa
Arsenal 1 - 0 Watford

Watford and Villa would both finish on 34pts with GD of -27. Villa would have scored 40 goals to Watford's 34.
(oddly specific set of results, but just to show that the GD isn't as far apart as it seems, given that for it to come into account, Villa need to win one game and Watford to lose so minimum net difference of 2GD)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on July 20, 2020, 12:29:01 AM
Nigel Pearson sacked as Watford manager with two games to play.

Bournemouth beaten by Southampton but their relegation fight along with Villa should go down to the final day seeing that Watford play City next.

Strange timing to be sacking Pearson. He seems to be a bit of a character.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on July 20, 2020, 09:37:11 AM
Nigel Pearson sacked as Watford manager with two games to play.

Bournemouth beaten by Southampton but their relegation fight along with Villa should go down to the final day seeing that Watford play City next.

Strange timing to be sacking Pearson. He seems to be a bit of a character.

Cant really understand that sacking.  There has to be more to it.  He can be a bit of a ballix so maybe he has rubbed someone up the wrong way.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 20, 2020, 09:42:24 AM
Nigel Pearson sacked as Watford manager with two games to play.

Bournemouth beaten by Southampton but their relegation fight along with Villa should go down to the final day seeing that Watford play City next.

Strange timing to be sacking Pearson. He seems to be a bit of a character.

Cant really understand that sacking.  There has to be more to it.  He can be a bit of a ballix so maybe he has rubbed someone up the wrong way.

Suppose with quick turnaround this probably is the time to do it? Word of players knowing before he knew doing rounds here online.

Seems a very odd club.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: An Watcher on July 20, 2020, 10:29:34 AM
Watford need to replace him with Ranieri and they'll be Premier League winners next year. Think Pearson more or less built that Leicester team and Ranieri got all the credit
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 21, 2020, 07:56:00 PM
Watford as expected well beaten by City, Arsenal v Villa to come. As it stands Watford, Bournemouth, Villa have the same GD.


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Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Armamike on July 21, 2020, 08:45:14 PM
Watford need to replace him with Ranieri and they'll be Premier League winners next year. Think Pearson more or less built that Leicester team and Ranieri got all the credit

With more or less the same players Pearson massively underachieved!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on July 21, 2020, 08:55:00 PM
Watford need to replace him with Ranieri and they'll be Premier League winners next year. Think Pearson more or less built that Leicester team and Ranieri got all the credit

With more or less the same players Pearson massively underachieved!
26 points from 22 games says Pearson achieved more than his predecessors at Watford.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2020, 08:59:40 PM
Currently Villa above Watford!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on July 21, 2020, 09:29:54 PM
He forgot the asterisk  ;)

https://youtu.be/9AzreFZoQ0o
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 21, 2020, 10:10:21 PM
A huge win for Villa, apparently they hadn't won any of their last 17 Premier league home games v Arsenal.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: MayoBuck on July 21, 2020, 10:14:38 PM
Delighted for Villa. Hope they finish the job now.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on July 21, 2020, 10:33:15 PM
Proper big club Villa, I always like them to be in top flight
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on July 21, 2020, 11:01:23 PM
Villa deserve what they got as they all have to play the same games, but they got kind of lucky the way Watford had to play city on the rebound from the fa cup defeat to Arsenal. Whereas Villa got a satisfied Arsenal coming down from the high of the big cup win over city.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 21, 2020, 11:03:35 PM
A huge win for Villa, apparently they hadn't won any of their last 17 Premier league home games v Arsenal.

it's been so long that Arsenal's last defeat at Villa Park was the Giggs FA Cup semi final in '99!
Villa beat Arsenal 3-2 in December 1998, having been 0-2 down at half time. A santa claus parachuted in at half time, clipped the edge of the stand and almost died. Villa went top that day, but finished 6th in the end. Will always have the "most points in the calendar year 1998 trophy" though.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 21, 2020, 11:30:19 PM
A huge win for Villa, apparently they hadn't won any of their last 17 Premier league home games v Arsenal.

it's been so long that Arsenal's last defeat at Villa Park was the Giggs FA Cup semi final in '99!
Villa beat Arsenal 3-2 in December 1998, having been 0-2 down at half time. A santa claus parachuted in at half time, clipped the edge of the stand and almost died. Villa went top that day, but finished 6th in the end. Will always have the "most points in the calendar year 1998 trophy" though.

That's some stat!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on July 22, 2020, 10:35:41 AM
A huge win for Villa, apparently they hadn't won any of their last 17 Premier league home games v Arsenal.

it's been so long that Arsenal's last defeat at Villa Park was the Giggs FA Cup semi final in '99!
Villa beat Arsenal 3-2 in December 1998, having been 0-2 down at half time. A santa claus parachuted in at half time, clipped the edge of the stand and almost died. Villa went top that day, but finished 6th in the end. Will always have the "most points in the calendar year 1998 trophy" though.

I remember that game well.  Dublin with a couple.  I was young and foolish enough to think they could make a run at the league that year.

Couldn't have hoped for better results last night.  Even to still be in with a chance on the last day looked very unlikely a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 22, 2020, 12:38:20 PM
A huge win for Villa, apparently they hadn't won any of their last 17 Premier league home games v Arsenal.

it's been so long that Arsenal's last defeat at Villa Park was the Giggs FA Cup semi final in '99!
Villa beat Arsenal 3-2 in December 1998, having been 0-2 down at half time. A santa claus parachuted in at half time, clipped the edge of the stand and almost died. Villa went top that day, but finished 6th in the end. Will always have the "most points in the calendar year 1998 trophy" though.

I remember that game well.  Dublin with a couple.  I was young and foolish enough to think they could make a run at the league that year.

Couldn't have hoped for better results last night.  Even to still be in with a chance on the last day looked very unlikely a few weeks ago.

It wasn't misplaced optimism though at the time. Villa finished 1997-98 with 11 wins from final 14 games, and then were top of the table in January 1999 despite losing Yorke in the summer. It was a very strong first 11, but ultimately when injuries hit they fell apart. I remember Dublin had to play at centre half for a number of games.

Sunday will be a nail biter. Could do with Arsenal and Everton scoring early!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ONeill on July 22, 2020, 02:10:23 PM
A huge win for Villa, apparently they hadn't won any of their last 17 Premier league home games v Arsenal.

it's been so long that Arsenal's last defeat at Villa Park was the Giggs FA Cup semi final in '99!
Villa beat Arsenal 3-2 in December 1998, having been 0-2 down at half time. A santa claus parachuted in at half time, clipped the edge of the stand and almost died. Villa went top that day, but finished 6th in the end. Will always have the "most points in the calendar year 1998 trophy" though.

I was at that game!

My two visits to Villa Park saw Villa beat Arsenal on both occasions. One before was May 98, 1-0 to Villa - think a penalty.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 22, 2020, 03:05:27 PM
A huge win for Villa, apparently they hadn't won any of their last 17 Premier league home games v Arsenal.

it's been so long that Arsenal's last defeat at Villa Park was the Giggs FA Cup semi final in '99!
Villa beat Arsenal 3-2 in December 1998, having been 0-2 down at half time. A santa claus parachuted in at half time, clipped the edge of the stand and almost died. Villa went top that day, but finished 6th in the end. Will always have the "most points in the calendar year 1998 trophy" though.

I was at that game!

My two visits to Villa Park saw Villa beat Arsenal on both occasions. One before was May 98, 1-0 to Villa - think a penalty.

It was a penalty. A Dwight Yorke panenka no less. I can remember that, but I can't remember what I had for dinner yesterday.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on July 22, 2020, 09:46:26 PM
Some capitulation by forest this last few games.

4-3 interesting. That free kick Arnold scored was never a free kick. Still hardly matters now.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on July 22, 2020, 10:16:03 PM
Some capitulation by forest this last few games.

4-3 interesting. That free kick Arnold scored was never a free kick. Still hardly matters now.
They have been very poor lately, but that was sickening for them tonight. Were still in playoffs until Swansea scored in the 93rd minute, although Forest conceded another one anyway soon after.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 22, 2020, 10:45:41 PM
Jesus!  ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gallsman on July 22, 2020, 11:01:47 PM
Some capitulation by forest this last few games.

4-3 interesting. That free kick Arnold scored was never a free kick. Still hardly matters now.
They have been very poor lately, but that was sickening for them tonight. Were still in playoffs until Swansea scored in the 93rd minute, although Forest conceded another one anyway soon after.

Charlton also down thanks to a 91st minute Barnsley winner to jump above them. Wigan would have survived the 12 point deduction with a win tonight.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gallsman on July 22, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
If Lampard properly commits to Pulisic he's going to be really, really special. Perhaps saving him a bit for Sunday but can't see how you could start Mason Mount ahead of him.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 26, 2020, 06:21:01 PM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: 02 on July 26, 2020, 06:36:59 PM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.

Bournemouth and Watford should be suing hawkeye!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on July 26, 2020, 09:21:13 PM
'Cojones Deeney won't be retiring.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 26, 2020, 09:22:53 PM
If Lampard properly commits to Pulisic he's going to be really, really special. Perhaps saving him a bit for Sunday but can't see how you could start Mason Mount ahead of him.

Mount is pretty good himself.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on July 26, 2020, 09:24:36 PM
#ouryear
Called it....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 26, 2020, 09:39:56 PM
'Cojones Deeney won't be retiring.

Ya cheeky basturt
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on July 27, 2020, 10:09:26 AM
The great escape for Villa! I didn't see this happening at all before the Palace game.  Delighted, but by god there were some hairy moments over the last few games.

Gonna be a very busy month for all the teams now to be prepared for the new season.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on July 28, 2020, 06:18:18 PM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.

Bournemouth and Watford should be suing hawkeye!
Bournemouth said the board are meeting this week to discuss just that!

Not 100% sure, but I think SheffU got compensation when West Ham stayed up after playing Tevez illegally, so there is some kind of precedent. There's no talk of position change  so no need for Villa fans to have any inkling of worry.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 28, 2020, 07:40:47 PM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.

Bournemouth and Watford should be suing hawkeye!
Bournemouth said the board are meeting this week to discuss just that!

Not 100% sure, but I think SheffU got compensation when West Ham stayed up after playing Tevez illegally, so there is some kind of precedent. There's no talk of position change  so no need for Villa fans to have any inkling of worry.

Hard to make the case that a goal scored in the 40th minute of a game would certainly lead to a 1-0 full time score. I reckon they have no case whatsoever. Unless the FA just pay up to avoid the publicity headache.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 28, 2020, 08:21:14 PM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.

Bournemouth and Watford should be suing hawkeye!
Bournemouth said the board are meeting this week to discuss just that!

Not 100% sure, but I think SheffU got compensation when West Ham stayed up after playing Tevez illegally, so there is some kind of precedent. There's no talk of position change  so no need for Villa fans to have any inkling of worry.

Hard to make the case that a goal scored in the 40th minute of a game would certainly lead to a 1-0 full time score. I reckon they have no case whatsoever. Unless the FA just pay up to avoid the publicity headache.

But it’s Hawkeye that made the mistake and admitted it. There’ll be some level of compensation paid to avoid the bad publicity as you said.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on July 28, 2020, 10:45:59 PM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.

Bournemouth and Watford should be suing hawkeye!
Bournemouth said the board are meeting this week to discuss just that!

Not 100% sure, but I think SheffU got compensation when West Ham stayed up after playing Tevez illegally, so there is some kind of precedent. There's no talk of position change  so no need for Villa fans to have any inkling of worry.

Hard to make the case that a goal scored in the 40th minute of a game would certainly lead to a 1-0 full time score. I reckon they have no case whatsoever. Unless the FA just pay up to avoid the publicity headache.

But it’s Hawkeye that made the mistake and admitted it. There’ll be some level of compensation paid to avoid the bad publicity as you said.
You'd think Hawkeye was an actual person.
A payout? would that not be admitting some liability?  And what is the relationship of the FA to this affair?
Unless the Premier League  have a Sepp Blatter on stage moment, I doubt if there will be any payout, Bournemouth have their parachute money.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 29, 2020, 09:00:58 AM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.

Bournemouth and Watford should be suing hawkeye!
Bournemouth said the board are meeting this week to discuss just that!

Not 100% sure, but I think SheffU got compensation when West Ham stayed up after playing Tevez illegally, so there is some kind of precedent. There's no talk of position change  so no need for Villa fans to have any inkling of worry.

Hard to make the case that a goal scored in the 40th minute of a game would certainly lead to a 1-0 full time score. I reckon they have no case whatsoever. Unless the FA just pay up to avoid the publicity headache.

But it’s Hawkeye that made the mistake and admitted it. There’ll be some level of compensation paid to avoid the bad publicity as you said.
You'd think Hawkeye was an actual person.
A payout? would that not be admitting some liability?  And what is the relationship of the FA to this affair?
Unless the Premier League  have a Sepp Blatter on stage moment, I doubt if there will be any payout, Bournemouth have their parachute money.

Thousands upon thousands of settlements happen without admission of liability with very clear Non Disclosure and confidentiality agreements. A letter from Bournemouth to the PL and Hawkeye will result in a settlement agreement to avoid it going into the public forum
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: thewobbler on July 29, 2020, 01:35:38 PM
BCB would there not be a clause in all football leagues, that with regards to any on-field incident, the final decision is with the referee and the referee’s decision is final?

If not then surely we’d have seen no end of lawsuits over the years.

VAR, I’m pretty sure, is a tool at the ref’s disposal, even if it sometimes feels the other way  around.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on July 29, 2020, 01:41:07 PM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.

Bournemouth and Watford should be suing hawkeye!
Bournemouth said the board are meeting this week to discuss just that!

Not 100% sure, but I think SheffU got compensation when West Ham stayed up after playing Tevez illegally, so there is some kind of precedent. There's no talk of position change  so no need for Villa fans to have any inkling of worry.

Hard to make the case that a goal scored in the 40th minute of a game would certainly lead to a 1-0 full time score. I reckon they have no case whatsoever. Unless the FA just pay up to avoid the publicity headache.

But it’s Hawkeye that made the mistake and admitted it. There’ll be some level of compensation paid to avoid the bad publicity as you said.
You'd think Hawkeye was an actual person.
A payout? would that not be admitting some liability?  And what is the relationship of the FA to this affair?
Unless the Premier League  have a Sepp Blatter on stage moment, I doubt if there will be any payout, Bournemouth have their parachute money.

Thousands upon thousands of settlements happen without admission of liability with very clear Non Disclosure and confidentiality agreements. A letter from Bournemouth to the PL and Hawkeye will result in a settlement agreement to avoid it going into the public forum
Not a chance of compensation, nobody broke any rules. Hawkeye does not have invincible status nor does it have any liability for any mistakes. VAR could have reviewed Hawkeye's decision but did not, also the ref could have requested VAR to review the incident, influenced by  the vehement protests of the players, but rigidly chose not to. There are no rules preventing VAR  reviewing an incident or the Ref to request a review an incident.

I don't know how those thousands of settlements you mention would or could relate to this incident, but is there one settlemet for an error in officiating a football game where no rule has been broken? 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: An Watcher on July 29, 2020, 02:06:15 PM
Funny how VAR was brought in to make sure the correct decisions are made. Millions are at stake and here we are!!!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Taylor on July 29, 2020, 02:55:30 PM
Well done to Villa on staying up. As said already a big club with huge tradition that needs to stay in the Premier league.

Bournemouth and Watford should be suing hawkeye!
Bournemouth said the board are meeting this week to discuss just that!

Not 100% sure, but I think SheffU got compensation when West Ham stayed up after playing Tevez illegally, so there is some kind of precedent. There's no talk of position change  so no need for Villa fans to have any inkling of worry.

Hard to make the case that a goal scored in the 40th minute of a game would certainly lead to a 1-0 full time score. I reckon they have no case whatsoever. Unless the FA just pay up to avoid the publicity headache.

But it’s Hawkeye that made the mistake and admitted it. There’ll be some level of compensation paid to avoid the bad publicity as you said.
You'd think Hawkeye was an actual person.
A payout? would that not be admitting some liability?  And what is the relationship of the FA to this affair?
Unless the Premier League  have a Sepp Blatter on stage moment, I doubt if there will be any payout, Bournemouth have their parachute money.

Thousands upon thousands of settlements happen without admission of liability with very clear Non Disclosure and confidentiality agreements. A letter from Bournemouth to the PL and Hawkeye will result in a settlement agreement to avoid it going into the public forum
Not a chance of compensation, nobody broke any rules. Hawkeye does not have invincible status nor does it have any liability for any mistakes. VAR could have reviewed Hawkeye's decision but did not, also the ref could have requested VAR to review the incident, influenced by  the vehement protests of the players, but rigidly chose not to. There are no rules preventing VAR  reviewing an incident or the Ref to request a review an incident.

I don't know how those thousands of settlements you mention would or could relate to this incident, but is there one settlemet for an error in officiating a football game where no rule has been broken?

No way will a letter from Bournemouth to the PL result in compensation - crazy to even consider that will happen.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 29, 2020, 04:13:44 PM
Lads, there are millions invested in the EPL, Bournemouth are going down and are a club that are likely gonna struggle to get back up. There may be any number of clauses that cover what happens in the field etc etc but a lot of the time these types of cases are played through the court of public opinion. I know if I was advising Bournemouth I’d be going for it given how blatant the mistake was and the fact that it was acknowledged as a mistake. You or I may never know it happened because of confidentiality but I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 29, 2020, 04:27:28 PM
Lads, there are millions invested in the EPL, Bournemouth are going down and are a club that are likely gonna struggle to get back up. There may be any number of clauses that cover what happens in the field etc etc but a lot of the time these types of cases are played through the court of public opinion. I know if I was advising Bournemouth I’d be going for it given how blatant the mistake was and the fact that it was acknowledged as a mistake. You or I may never know it happened because of confidentiality but I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done

Didn't West Ham have to pay Sheff Utd years ago over the EPL rules regarding 3rd party player ownership? There is a sniff of a chance
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 29, 2020, 04:38:26 PM
Lads, there are millions invested in the EPL, Bournemouth are going down and are a club that are likely gonna struggle to get back up. There may be any number of clauses that cover what happens in the field etc etc but a lot of the time these types of cases are played through the court of public opinion. I know if I was advising Bournemouth I’d be going for it given how blatant the mistake was and the fact that it was acknowledged as a mistake. You or I may never know it happened because of confidentiality but I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done

Didn't West Ham have to pay Sheff Utd years ago over the EPL rules regarding 3rd party player ownership? There is a sniff of a chance

Yeah they ended up paying them £18m over Carlos Tevez playing and he wasn’t correctly registered.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on July 29, 2020, 06:57:39 PM
Lads, there are millions invested in the EPL, Bournemouth are going down and are a club that are likely gonna struggle to get back up. There may be any number of clauses that cover what happens in the field etc etc but a lot of the time these types of cases are played through the court of public opinion. I know if I was advising Bournemouth I’d be going for it given how blatant the mistake was and the fact that it was acknowledged as a mistake. You or I may never know it happened because of confidentiality but I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done

Didn't West Ham have to pay Sheff Utd years ago over the EPL rules regarding 3rd party player ownership? There is a sniff of a chance

Yeah they ended up paying them £18m over Carlos Tevez playing and he wasn’t correctly registered.
A rule was broken for Tevez,
not remotely resembling a precedent for Bournemouth to hang their hat on.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on July 29, 2020, 09:55:02 PM
Lads, there are millions invested in the EPL, Bournemouth are going down and are a club that are likely gonna struggle to get back up. There may be any number of clauses that cover what happens in the field etc etc but a lot of the time these types of cases are played through the court of public opinion. I know if I was advising Bournemouth I’d be going for it given how blatant the mistake was and the fact that it was acknowledged as a mistake. You or I may never know it happened because of confidentiality but I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done

Didn't West Ham have to pay Sheff Utd years ago over the EPL rules regarding 3rd party player ownership? There is a sniff of a chance

Yeah they ended up paying them £18m over Carlos Tevez playing and he wasn’t correctly registered.
A rule was broken for Tevez,
not remotely resembling a precedent for Bournemouth to hang their hat on.

West Ham got away with murder not getting a points deduction. They were found guily of breaking the rules and every game that Tevez played could have been given as a 3-0 to the opposition. But that would have created it's own problems.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 30, 2020, 09:46:38 AM
Lads, there are millions invested in the EPL, Bournemouth are going down and are a club that are likely gonna struggle to get back up. There may be any number of clauses that cover what happens in the field etc etc but a lot of the time these types of cases are played through the court of public opinion. I know if I was advising Bournemouth I’d be going for it given how blatant the mistake was and the fact that it was acknowledged as a mistake. You or I may never know it happened because of confidentiality but I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done

Didn't West Ham have to pay Sheff Utd years ago over the EPL rules regarding 3rd party player ownership? There is a sniff of a chance

Yeah they ended up paying them £18m over Carlos Tevez playing and he wasn’t correctly registered.
A rule was broken for Tevez,
not remotely resembling a precedent for Bournemouth to hang their hat on.

There is a tweet from the company that runs Hawkeye, can't exactly remember the wording of it which would be important. But basically they apologised for a malfunction at that time. Which is a walkover in legal terms.....but they could not have foreseen how the rest of the season would go.

Without knowing the exact ins and outs of the case and the whys, it's not "out there" to suggest Bournemouth to launch an appeal, whether it would go anywhere I highly doubt considering how much of the rest of the season was to go after this incident and we've no idea if Bournemouth in the mean time have been clever and already lodged something over it with the Premier League at the time.

I do see a scenario however where Hawkeye/EPL just throw money at Bournemouth to make this go away without the need for court action.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 30, 2020, 10:37:29 AM
Lads, there are millions invested in the EPL, Bournemouth are going down and are a club that are likely gonna struggle to get back up. There may be any number of clauses that cover what happens in the field etc etc but a lot of the time these types of cases are played through the court of public opinion. I know if I was advising Bournemouth I’d be going for it given how blatant the mistake was and the fact that it was acknowledged as a mistake. You or I may never know it happened because of confidentiality but I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done

Didn't West Ham have to pay Sheff Utd years ago over the EPL rules regarding 3rd party player ownership? There is a sniff of a chance

Yeah they ended up paying them £18m over Carlos Tevez playing and he wasn’t correctly registered.
A rule was broken for Tevez,
not remotely resembling a precedent for Bournemouth to hang their hat on.

There is a tweet from the company that runs Hawkeye, can't exactly remember the wording of it which would be important. But basically they apologised for a malfunction at that time. Which is a walkover in legal terms.....but they could not have foreseen how the rest of the season would go.

Without knowing the exact ins and outs of the case and the whys, it's not "out there" to suggest Bournemouth to launch an appeal, whether it would go anywhere I highly doubt considering how much of the rest of the season was to go after this incident and we've no idea if Bournemouth in the mean time have been clever and already lodged something over it with the Premier League at the time.

I do see a scenario however where Hawkeye/EPL just throw money at Bournemouth to make this go away without the need for court action.

That is exactly the point that I am saying. I deal with confidential and without prejudice agreements every single day. The amount of decisions that are made purely on a financial basis or on a reputational basis when it comes to settlement of cases is unreal. I genuinely believe that whoever is acting on behalf of Bournemouth should be saying to them to push for it as there is enough to make Hawkeye and the EPL very uncomfortable, particularly under current circumstances.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 30, 2020, 07:16:27 PM
Newcastle deal off. Will they ever get rid of Ashley....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Taylor on July 30, 2020, 07:30:51 PM
Newcastle deal off. Will they ever get rid of Ashley....

Part of the reason it seems they pulled out was because Ashley tried to renegotiate the deal late in the day - he is some piece of work
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 30, 2020, 07:57:24 PM
Haven't read anything to suggest this is on Ashley, he seems to be in need of the money with Covid issues crippling his other businesses. The Premier League look to have stone walled the Saudis and they got sick of it.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on July 31, 2020, 07:56:39 AM
Haven't read anything to suggest this is on Ashley, he seems to be in need of the money with Covid issues crippling his other businesses. The Premier League look to have stone walled the Saudis and they got sick of it.
Absolutely. None of the reports blaming Ashley, and the Saudis themselves issued a statement blaming the premier league and didn't mention any problem with Ashley.

It's funny a lot of the media reporting now has completely turned on its head and implying the poor Saudis couldn't get a break from the Premier League. I'd say the Saudis saw the writing on the wall that they wouldn't be approved so took this decision before being formally told to feck off. I wonder could all the apparent sympathy for the saudis and the "heartbroken Newcastle fans" lead to a re-think
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 31, 2020, 09:49:45 AM
Jim White on Talksport this morning said he been speaking directly to Amanda Stavely and that they would be back with another bid. Turns out the Saudis illegally stream from Bein sports to the country which caused the issue. They were due to pump another 250million in on top of the bid to buy.

The Premier League haven't said a word, actually very poor from them to be honest, the Newcastle fans deserve the right to know whats happened.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on August 01, 2020, 05:16:26 PM
Community Shield Semi Final about to start. I forgot it was even on today.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on August 01, 2020, 07:14:11 PM
Community Shield Semi Final about to start. I forgot it was even on today.

God be with the days when you'd have FA Cup coverage the whole morning and afternoon leading up final on the TV.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 01, 2020, 07:16:30 PM
2 hammys and a dodgy red. Not Chelseas day
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 01, 2020, 07:34:59 PM
Dave Sexton (1971) since Chelsea won a Cup final managed by a English man. Arsenal love the FA Cup especially playing Chelsea in the final.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: sid waddell on August 01, 2020, 08:34:35 PM
Fat Frank's managerial performance there was hilarious.

Throroughly outplayed and outfoxed by a coach who actually knows what he's doing, a panicked triple substitution summed things up, his body language throughout was atrocious. You look at Arteta and see a guy who comes across really well, with good man management skills and tactical nous, you look at Frank and see a self absorbed, entitled dickhead.

Frank went to private school because his Dad was a footballer, and votes Tory. In the eyes of the English press that automatically makes him smart. But going to private school because you come from a wealthy background and voting Tory does not make you smart. It might get you a life peerage, maybe Frank will be belatedly added to yesterday's list for that performance, it would be in keeping with the rest of the list.

Frank is a dunderhead, a mediocrity promoted way beyond his level of ability due to privilege. He's also the latest in a long line of former "macho man", "old school" midfield general managerial mediocrities, following in the footsteps of Souness, Robson, Keane and Gerrard (and I loved two of those as players).

But management is a different skill set entirely. You need an actual brain and people skills to manage which is why these guys don't cut it, and why old school products of UK football don't cut it anymore in management. It'll take the newer, more socially aware generation of British footballers coming through as coaches in 10-15 years' time to change that.



Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2020, 09:34:51 PM
Jesus!!! Champions league football secured, was unlucky with the red card today, was barely a foul never mind a second yellow. Dominated most of the game I felt and last throw of the dice was making three subs as he’d lost two players through injury and had only one opportunity to put on subs due to this new rule!

Outstanding players don’t always make good managers, plenty fail. But he’s been doing it a wet week ffs! And going to private school? WTF votes Tory? Automatically makes you a shit manager! ?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on August 01, 2020, 09:49:14 PM
Lampard, old school midfield general?

*scratches head*

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: sid waddell on August 01, 2020, 09:59:52 PM
Jesus!!! Champions league football secured, was unlucky with the red card today, was barely a foul never mind a second yellow. Dominated most of the game I felt and last throw of the dice was making three subs as he’d lost two players through injury and had only one opportunity to put on subs due to this new rule!

Outstanding players don’t always make good managers, plenty fail. But he’s been doing it a wet week ffs! And going to private school? WTF votes Tory? Automatically makes you a shit manager! ?
But I didn't say going to a private school or voting Tory automatically makes you a shit manager. I said it doesn't automatically make you a good one.

Chelsea were thoroughly outplayed. If they'd put in that performance under Sarri supporters would have been howling for the manager's head but Frank gets a pass because of who he is.

54 goals conceded in 38 league games. Frank has winged it in a big way this season with other clubs around Chelsea's level having poor seasons, with a low points total required for fourth place. Even Manchester United in third are a very mediocre team who got a big kick from one very good signing. Chelsea were taken apart in Europe by Bayern Munich and if Munich want to they could give Chelsea a serious thrashing next week. I don't see Arsenal and Spurs being as poor again next season as they were for much of this season and I expect a reckoning is not too far off for Frank.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on August 01, 2020, 10:25:18 PM
Ridiculous red card decision.

6th player sent off in a FA Cup Final. Kevin Moran first. Who’s the other four?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: SHEEDY on August 01, 2020, 10:48:08 PM
Ridiculous red card decision.

6th player sent off in a FA Cup Final. Kevin Moran first. Who’s the other four?
Jose Antonio reyes 2005, Pablo zabaleta 2013, Chris smalling 2016, Victor moses 2017
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ONeill on August 01, 2020, 10:54:47 PM
Jesus!!! Champions league football secured, was unlucky with the red card today, was barely a foul never mind a second yellow. Dominated most of the game I felt and last throw of the dice was making three subs as he’d lost two players through injury and had only one opportunity to put on subs due to this new rule!

Outstanding players don’t always make good managers, plenty fail. But he’s been doing it a wet week ffs! And going to private school? WTF votes Tory? Automatically makes you a shit manager! ?
But I didn't say going to a private school or voting Tory automatically makes you a shit manager. I said it doesn't automatically make you a good one.

Chelsea were thoroughly outplayed. If they'd put in that performance under Sarri supporters would have been howling for the manager's head but Frank gets a pass because of who he is.

54 goals conceded in 38 league games. Frank has winged it in a big way this season with other clubs around Chelsea's level having poor seasons, with a low points total required for fourth place. Even Manchester United in third are a very mediocre team who got a big kick from one very good signing. Chelsea were taken apart in Europe by Bayern Munich and if Munich want to they could give Chelsea a serious thrashing next week. I don't see Arsenal and Spurs being as poor again next season as they were for much of this season and I expect a reckoning is not too far off for Frank.

Chelsea were not thoroughly outplayed.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 01, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
Jesus!!! Champions league football secured, was unlucky with the red card today, was barely a foul never mind a second yellow. Dominated most of the game I felt and last throw of the dice was making three subs as he’d lost two players through injury and had only one opportunity to put on subs due to this new rule!

Outstanding players don’t always make good managers, plenty fail. But he’s been doing it a wet week ffs! And going to private school? WTF votes Tory? Automatically makes you a shit manager! ?
But I didn't say going to a private school or voting Tory automatically makes you a shit manager. I said it doesn't automatically make you a good one.

Chelsea were thoroughly outplayed. If they'd put in that performance under Sarri supporters would have been howling for the manager's head but Frank gets a pass because of who he is.

54 goals conceded in 38 league games. Frank has winged it in a big way this season with other clubs around Chelsea's level having poor seasons, with a low points total required for fourth place. Even Manchester United in third are a very mediocre team who got a big kick from one very good signing. Chelsea were taken apart in Europe by Bayern Munich and if Munich want to they could give Chelsea a serious thrashing next week. I don't see Arsenal and Spurs being as poor again next season as they were for much of this season and I expect a reckoning is not too far off for Frank.

60/40 possession... were you actually watching another game?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on August 01, 2020, 11:31:30 PM
Ridiculous red card decision.

6th player sent off in a FA Cup Final. Kevin Moran first. Who’s the other four?
Jose Antonio reyes 2005, Pablo zabaleta 2013, Chris smalling 2016, Victor moses 2017

Ah yes, that Smalling tube. How could I forget him. Feckin’ balloon.

Don’t remember Moses.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 01, 2020, 11:38:12 PM
Fat Frank's managerial performance there was hilarious.

Throroughly outplayed and outfoxed by a coach who actually knows what he's doing, a panicked triple substitution summed things up, his body language throughout was atrocious. You look at Arteta and see a guy who comes across really well, with good man management skills and tactical nous, you look at Frank and see a self absorbed, entitled dickhead.

Frank went to private school because his Dad was a footballer, and votes Tory. In the eyes of the English press that automatically makes him smart. But going to private school because you come from a wealthy background and voting Tory does not make you smart. It might get you a life peerage, maybe Frank will be belatedly added to yesterday's list for that performance, it would be in keeping with the rest of the list.

Frank is a dunderhead, a mediocrity promoted way beyond his level of ability due to privilege. He's also the latest in a long line of former "macho man", "old school" midfield general managerial mediocrities, following in the footsteps of Souness, Robson, Keane and Gerrard (and I loved two of those as players).

But management is a different skill set entirely. You need an actual brain and people skills to manage which is why these guys don't cut it, and why old school products of UK football don't cut it anymore in management. It'll take the newer, more socially aware generation of British footballers coming through as coaches in 10-15 years' time to change that.

Up there with the most idiotic post of 2020 for me lads.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on August 02, 2020, 12:06:58 AM
It has some competition, especially on the Coronavirus thread. :-\
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Blowitupref on August 02, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
Eddie Howe leaves Bournemouth by mutual consent.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: sid waddell on August 02, 2020, 12:34:48 AM
Jesus!!! Champions league football secured, was unlucky with the red card today, was barely a foul never mind a second yellow. Dominated most of the game I felt and last throw of the dice was making three subs as he’d lost two players through injury and had only one opportunity to put on subs due to this new rule!

Outstanding players don’t always make good managers, plenty fail. But he’s been doing it a wet week ffs! And going to private school? WTF votes Tory? Automatically makes you a shit manager! ?
But I didn't say going to a private school or voting Tory automatically makes you a shit manager. I said it doesn't automatically make you a good one.

Chelsea were thoroughly outplayed. If they'd put in that performance under Sarri supporters would have been howling for the manager's head but Frank gets a pass because of who he is.

54 goals conceded in 38 league games. Frank has winged it in a big way this season with other clubs around Chelsea's level having poor seasons, with a low points total required for fourth place. Even Manchester United in third are a very mediocre team who got a big kick from one very good signing. Chelsea were taken apart in Europe by Bayern Munich and if Munich want to they could give Chelsea a serious thrashing next week. I don't see Arsenal and Spurs being as poor again next season as they were for much of this season and I expect a reckoning is not too far off for Frank.

60/40 possession... were you actually watching another game?
They did SFA with it, which is another giveaway of a poorly coached team

Arsenal bossed them when it mattered and where it mattered and always looked likely winners from 25 minutes on

Frank can chalk the possession stats down as a moral victory though
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on August 02, 2020, 02:25:43 AM
Lads, there are millions invested in the EPL, Bournemouth are going down and are a club that are likely gonna struggle to get back up. There may be any number of clauses that cover what happens in the field etc etc but a lot of the time these types of cases are played through the court of public opinion. I know if I was advising Bournemouth I’d be going for it given how blatant the mistake was and the fact that it was acknowledged as a mistake. You or I may never know it happened because of confidentiality but I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal is done

Didn't West Ham have to pay Sheff Utd years ago over the EPL rules regarding 3rd party player ownership? There is a sniff of a chance

Yeah they ended up paying them £18m over Carlos Tevez playing and he wasn’t correctly registered.
A rule was broken for Tevez,
not remotely resembling a precedent for Bournemouth to hang their hat on.

There is a tweet from the company that runs Hawkeye, can't exactly remember the wording of it which would be important. But basically they apologised for a malfunction at that time. Which is a walkover in legal terms.....but they could not have foreseen how the rest of the season would go.

Without knowing the exact ins and outs of the case and the whys, it's not "out there" to suggest Bournemouth to launch an appeal, whether it would go anywhere I highly doubt considering how much of the rest of the season was to go after this incident and we've no idea if Bournemouth in the mean time have been clever and already lodged something over it with the Premier League at the time.

I do see a scenario however where Hawkeye/EPL just throw money at Bournemouth to make this go away without the need for court action.

That is exactly the point that I am saying. I deal with confidential and without prejudice agreements every single day. The amount of decisions that are made purely on a financial basis or on a reputational basis when it comes to settlement of cases is unreal. I genuinely believe that whoever is acting on behalf of Bournemouth should be saying to them to push for it as there is enough to make Hawkeye and the EPL very uncomfortable, particularly under current circumstances.
Now you sound like a charlatan  ambulance  chaser BC. You are grasping at straws, not evidence  ;D
Are you not aware that any dispute goes to arbitration, not court action.

Hawk-Eye,  had been checked  and found working by the ref.
There wasn’t  a fault with the goal-line technology system.
A pure freak occurrence that Hawkeye did not catch the ball over the line, a  1/9000 chance (up to now)
Therefore no fault when the laws have been applied.
And VAR was available.
The ref has the final say.
The  referee’s decision on whether or not a goal has been scored shall be final.
Law 5.2  Decisions shall be made to the best of the referee’s ability, in accordance to the laws of the game, and the spirit of the game, and shall be based on the opinion of the referee, who has the discretion to take appropriate action within the framework of the laws of the game. The decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play, including whether or not a goal is scored and the result of the match, are final. The decisions of the referee and all of the match officials must always be respected.’

Bournemouth will not get one penny.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on August 04, 2020, 08:27:29 PM
Fulham are playing Brentford in the richest game in world football. Fulham are on top but might miss Mitrovic who is on the bench. 0-0.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 04, 2020, 09:56:56 PM
Fulham are playing Brentford in the richest game in world football. Fulham are on top but might miss Mitrovic who is on the bench. 0-0.

Brentford keeper caught napping there.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on August 04, 2020, 10:39:29 PM
He was being a bit cheeky going out that far and Bryan took advantage. Fulham got home 2-1 in the end and will be in the premier league next year.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ONeill on August 04, 2020, 11:22:45 PM
http://www.krysstal.com/trophies.html
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on August 05, 2020, 12:36:38 AM
http://www.krysstal.com/trophies.html

What about world club championships?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 05, 2020, 12:41:27 AM
http://www.krysstal.com/trophies.html

What about world club championships?

And the difference would be?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on August 05, 2020, 08:58:17 AM
He was being a bit cheeky going out that far and Bryan took advantage. Fulham got home 2-1 in the end and will be in the premier league next year.

Fulham it is then.  Perhaps the playoffs final experience helped them.  Brentford could be raided a little as some of their players are in big demand by lower PL clubs.  Watkins and Benrahma would be high on a few lists.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Estimator on August 05, 2020, 11:13:26 AM
He was being a bit cheeky going out that far and Bryan took advantage. Fulham got home 2-1 in the end and will be in the premier league next year.

Fulham it is then.  Perhaps the playoffs final experience helped them.  Brentford could be raided a little as some of their players are in big demand by lower PL clubs.  Watkins and Benrahma would be high on a few lists.

A transfer clause has kicked in following their defeat to Fulham.  He is available for £18mill.