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Title: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 10, 2019, 01:16:21 PM
 Just read that fixtures are out this Thursday  :o


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 10, 2019, 01:50:12 PM
Oh yes, two horse race though. Hard to see anything happening that would change the order really of this season. Maybe Arsenal / Chelsea shift a few spots down. Spurs / Utd potentially replace those.

Interesting to see the promoted teams-as always they'll be written off but no doubt 1 at least will stay up.

Brigton under immense pressure straight off the bat. Southampton have been asking for trouble for a few years too. Newcastle will be praying the takeover happens, if it doesn't, maybe not even Rafa can save them.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Way too early to speculate given there's a summer of transfers to occur, but here goes.....

I don't think there's any way Liverpool will match the points total of last year, but high 80s, maybe 90 is doable.

So need City to regress a bit to give us a chance of winning the league. To put 2 back-to-back league seasons together like they have is incredible. Losing Kompany will be a big dent, and I've an inkling that Sergio will move on (clearly doesn't get on with Pep), and he'd be a huge loss. Although no doubt they'll spend big again and add some new names.

Assuming Chelsea lose Hazard, then I think United are best placed for 3rd. Although I'm very unsure about Solksjaer.

I think if any of the top 6 get their hands on Declan Rice it would improve them hugely. 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Puckoon on June 10, 2019, 02:55:19 PM
Way too early to speculate given there's a summer of transfers to occur, but here goes.....

I don't think there's any way Liverpool will match the points total of last year, but high 80s, maybe 90 is doable.

So need City to regress a bit to give us a chance of winning the league. To put 2 back-to-back league seasons together like they have is incredible. Losing Kompany will be a big dent, and I've an inkling that Sergio will move on (clearly doesn't get on with Pep), and he'd be a huge loss. Although no doubt they'll spend big again and add some new names.

Assuming Chelsea lose Hazard, then I think United are best placed for 3rd. Although I'm very unsure about Solksjaer.

I think if any of the top 6 get their hands on Declan Rice it would improve them hugely.

Think it's already official - revealed by RM last week.

Hard to see much change at the top. With Chelsea losing hazard I think it makes the battle for 3rd and 4th a little more open.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ziggy90 on June 10, 2019, 06:16:30 PM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: toby47 on June 11, 2019, 08:32:06 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

Not a hope
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 11, 2019, 10:06:18 AM
It's just great to be involved again. Up the Villa.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Esmarelda on June 11, 2019, 10:13:59 AM
Did Kompany play that much, bar the latter games?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ziggy90 on June 11, 2019, 10:28:04 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2019, 10:34:45 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on June 11, 2019, 10:41:02 AM
#ouryear
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 11, 2019, 10:46:38 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

Echo's of Coutinho, Suarez, Torres et al.

Although Liverpool look to be on or at the top of the upward curve.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: ziggy90 on June 11, 2019, 10:53:36 AM
I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

That may or may not be the case but in the modern game the only thing that matters is ££'s.
I'd say Van Dijk is the one player who Pep would really covet, (for his football ability and leadership qualities) and if he decides to make a play for him iI'd say you wouldn't want to bet your house against him going.
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical but it's my honest opinion.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 11, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
Shocking use of the quote function boys. 

EVERY player has his price but in the normal scheme of things I'd see no way he'd leave Liverpool for City
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: toby47 on June 11, 2019, 11:15:53 AM
In the Pep/City documentary on Amazon prime last year city pulled out of the race for Van Dijk as they didn't value him at 75million.

A bad error of judgement
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 11, 2019, 11:29:45 AM
Agreed that every player has his price but I think the CL win will have caused a fair shift in the power balance in terms of being able to retain players.  If there was no trophy after the season we had you could imagine players could get twitchy but that is unlikely now....particularly to the closest rivals.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 11:54:27 AM
It would take a ludicrous amount of money to make liverpool willing to sell him. Without him they'd have had no title challenge or no champions league so that is a pretty large worth in there.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: TabClear on June 11, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
It would take a ludicrous amount of money to make liverpool willing to sell him. Without him they'd have had no title challenge or no champions league so that is a pretty large worth in there.

This. You cannot replace him in his current form. Yes Gomez looked to be coming good before is injury and Matip had a decent 2nd half to the season  and I suppose theoretically you could use the money to sign De Ligt or someone similar but any defence in the world is weaker without VVD. Never mind the fact that selling him to your closest rival this year. Liverpool have about 3 years where this team could be at their peak given the age profile, if they are going to compete for the PL again next season VVD has to be there.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on June 11, 2019, 12:32:23 PM
What was VVD like at Celtic? I never really seen him play there.

Youíd think if he really was that good up there, a bigger club than Southampton wouldíve come in for him?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 11, 2019, 12:39:02 PM
What was VVD like at Celtic? I never really seen him play there.

Youíd think if he really was that good up there, a bigger club than Southampton wouldíve come in for him?

He was top class at Celtic.  Clear as day that he was above Southampton, with all due respect.  Amazing that CL clubs didn't take a punt.  Stigma of the SPL I guess.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 11, 2019, 12:52:38 PM

I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

That may or may not be the case but in the modern game the only thing that matters is ££'s.
I'd say Van Dijk is the one player who Pep would really covet, (for his football ability and leadership qualities) and if he decides to make a play for him iI'd say you wouldn't want to bet your house against him going.
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical but it's my honest opinion.

Rubbish. We would never sell him to City and I donít think heíd be interested in that move either.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 11, 2019, 12:56:18 PM
He will want to be Liverpools highest earner soon. De Ligt is going to be offered 235K a week plus at his new club.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: trailer on June 11, 2019, 01:39:55 PM

I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

That may or may not be the case but in the modern game the only thing that matters is ££'s.
I'd say Van Dijk is the one player who Pep would really covet, (for his football ability and leadership qualities) and if he decides to make a play for him iI'd say you wouldn't want to bet your house against him going.
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical but it's my honest opinion.

Rubbish. We would never sell him to City and I donít think heíd be interested in that move either.

Sterling made that move and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that VVD would want to as well. The pound rules them all. If City offer £300k or £400k he'll be gone like shite of a shovel.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GiveItToTheShooters on June 11, 2019, 01:44:38 PM

I wonder who City will get to replace Kompany?
If they offered enough do you think Van Dijk would go?

You have a lot of faith in a footballer's royalty.?

VVD has already asked the club himself to extend his contract as he is very happy.  There is something big happening at Liverpool and he will become a true legend in a club that has history.  He may become a legend elsewhere but they won't remember him in 20 years time the way he would be remembered in Anfield

That may or may not be the case but in the modern game the only thing that matters is ££'s.
I'd say Van Dijk is the one player who Pep would really covet, (for his football ability and leadership qualities) and if he decides to make a play for him iI'd say you wouldn't want to bet your house against him going.
Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical but it's my honest opinion.

Rubbish. We would never sell him to City and I donít think heíd be interested in that move either.

Sterling made that move and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that VVD would want to as well. The pound rules them all. If City offer £300k or £400k he'll be gone like shite of a shovel.
Thatís different. We werenít challenging for league and champions league back then. Heís getting a new contract from Liverpool anyway so thatíll be 200k+
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 11, 2019, 01:49:40 PM
I love my job, but if someone doubles my wages, thats a serious offer..

Personally I think he woudnt even give it a moments thought, He's Liverpool through and through now. he's bedded in well and no reason not to give him the captains armband as he'll be playing all the games unlike Henderson
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: johnnycool on June 11, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
In the Pep/City documentary on Amazon prime last year city pulled out of the race for Van Dijk as they didn't value him at 75million.

A bad error of judgement

There were plenty on the Liverpool thread saying the same thing.

The market decides the value and Liverpool got more of a player than they thought.

A veritable bargain.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Armamike on June 11, 2019, 02:05:51 PM
Reading this thread, i thought Man city had just made an offer for Virgil!  He ain't going nowhere anytime soon!

Players want to go to Liverpool now and play under Klopp.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
I love my job, but if someone doubles my wages, thats a serious offer..

Personally I think he woudnt even give it a moments thought, He's Liverpool through and through now. he's bedded in well and no reason not to give him the captains armband as he'll be playing all the games unlike Henderson

That's different. You most likely have a notice period in your job. Liverpool don't have to allow him to speak to city, hypothetically, within his contract period.

City are great team with huge earning potential but there is something quite sterile about the whole place. A guy like that would probably only go to Real , Barca or whatever.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Dire Ear on June 11, 2019, 03:39:09 PM
Klopp is the key
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on June 11, 2019, 03:45:11 PM
He was offered more money by City, when Liverpool were making their move for him.. He isn't going to leave now and on the verge of signing a new contract
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on June 11, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
When I said every player has his price I was more thinking of the price Liverpool wouldnt be able to refuse for him rather than wages he'd want from City.

Pie in the sky anyway, ain't happening even with Citys creative accountancy  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 11, 2019, 05:29:14 PM
When I said every player has his price I was more thinking of the price Liverpool wouldnt be able to refuse for him rather than wages he'd want from City.

Pie in the sky anyway, ain't happening even Citys creative accountancy  ;)

Certainly would be the maddest transfer in EPL history for me.

Can you imagine? 1 point off league winners, sell their most important defender to the side which pipped them to the title.

They would riot in Liverpool  ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on June 13, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
Fixtures are out this morning and Chelsea v Utd is probably the standout tie of the opening weekend.  Liverpool to get things going on the Friday night v Norwich.

Villa with a tidy wee trip away to the new Spurs stadium.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on July 12, 2019, 03:22:36 PM
Peter Crouch retires. Thought he might have stayed one more year at Burnley as a long ball sub.

He seems to have already carved out nice wee earners post-retirement with a book launched and his podcasts.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: TabClear on July 13, 2019, 07:35:00 PM
Peter Crouch retires. Thought he might have stayed one more year at Burnley as a long ball sub.

He seems to have already carved out nice wee earners post-retirement with a book launched and his podcasts.

Good article on him here. Be a great man to have a pint with by the sounds of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48965686
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 13, 2019, 09:18:52 PM
Way too early to speculate given there's a summer of transfers to occur, but here goes.....

I don't think there's any way Liverpool will match the points total of last year, but high 80s, maybe 90 is doable.

So need City to regress a bit to give us a chance of winning the league. To put 2 back-to-back league seasons together like they have is incredible. Losing Kompany will be a big dent, and I've an inkling that Sergio will move on (clearly doesn't get on with Pep), and he'd be a huge loss. Although no doubt they'll spend big again and add some new names.

Assuming Chelsea lose Hazard, then I think United are best placed for 3rd. Although I'm very unsure about Solksjaer.

I think if any of the top 6 get their hands on Declan Rice it would improve them hugely.

Utd won't finish near third unfortunately. Ashley Young as captain, says it all.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GJL on July 13, 2019, 10:46:39 PM
Way too early to speculate given there's a summer of transfers to occur, but here goes.....

I don't think there's any way Liverpool will match the points total of last year, but high 80s, maybe 90 is doable.

So need City to regress a bit to give us a chance of winning the league. To put 2 back-to-back league seasons together like they have is incredible. Losing Kompany will be a big dent, and I've an inkling that Sergio will move on (clearly doesn't get on with Pep), and he'd be a huge loss. Although no doubt they'll spend big again and add some new names.

Assuming Chelsea lose Hazard, then I think United are best placed for 3rd. Although I'm very unsure about Solksjaer.

I think if any of the top 6 get their hands on Declan Rice it would improve them hugely.

Utd won't finish near third unfortunately. Ashley Young as captain, says it all.

He was only captain for today. Can't see him keeping the armband at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on July 18, 2019, 06:05:33 PM
Bruce will need to get off to a flyer with Newcastle, otherwise heíll be hounded. I donít think it will end well.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: shark on July 18, 2019, 07:13:16 PM
Bruce will need to get off to a flyer with Newcastle, otherwise heíll be hounded. I donít think it will end well.

Needs to get moving in the transfer market too. They barely have a team and there are only 4 weeks until the window closes.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on July 19, 2019, 09:47:03 AM
Bruce will need to get off to a flyer with Newcastle, otherwise heíll be hounded. I donít think it will end well.

Just looking at their first 10 or so fixtures here. What's your points estimate? I'm giving them a generous 7 pts.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on September 15, 2019, 06:41:03 PM
If Utd had a second half like that this place would be hopping...

Watford 31 chances Arsenal 7  :o and the defending for the 1st Watford goal was shambolic.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 15, 2019, 07:30:26 PM
How many points has Luiz cost already!?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on September 16, 2019, 10:12:56 AM
Liverpool's to lose
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2019, 10:24:08 AM
What was going on with Arsenal's kickouts? Ludicrous.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 16, 2019, 10:36:03 AM
The Gooners thread hasn't had a post since 8th Aug so tells how much interest there is in them!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: GetOverTheBar on September 16, 2019, 11:01:29 AM
Bruce will need to get off to a flyer with Newcastle, otherwise heíll be hounded. I donít think it will end well.

Just looking at their first 10 or so fixtures here. What's your points estimate? I'm giving them a generous 7 pts.

Halfway there and it's going to be tight. Newcastle with a wonder victory at Spurs out of nowhere.

Wolves.....are they in trouble?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 16, 2019, 11:09:49 AM
I really hope they don't sack the manager. That eurpoa league is a curse too. Happened to burnley last year.

Can't believe watford sacked their manager - he was a good one too.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on September 16, 2019, 02:38:31 PM
I really hope they don't sack the manager. That eurpoa league is a curse too. Happened to burnley last year.

Can't believe watford sacked their manager - he was a good one too.
Throwing away the FA Cup semi final was a massive blow to the club. They will get back on track but I'd say it'll depend on how patient the fans are with the manager. If they start to turn, the owners will follow suit.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on September 17, 2019, 04:30:05 PM
Reports John Stones is out for five weeks after picking up a muscle injury in training this morning.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
I really hope they don't sack the manager. That eurpoa league is a curse too. Happened to burnley last year.

Can't believe watford sacked their manager - he was a good one too.
Throwing away the FA Cup semi final was a massive blow to the club. They will get back on track but I'd say it'll depend on how patient the fans are with the manager. If they start to turn, the owners will follow suit.

Yeah I hope they don't . I think he's a great manager. Funny how it's Watford who got to the final so you'd think would have held on longer on the back of that although I guess they didn't have last year's league placing so much as Wolves did.

Stones easily replaceable for City.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on September 17, 2019, 06:19:12 PM

Stones easily replaceable for City.

Who with?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 17, 2019, 09:03:59 PM
Hmmm actually looking at it maybe not so easy replaced with otamendi out too.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on September 17, 2019, 10:41:16 PM
Hmmm actually looking at it maybe not so easy replaced with otamendi out too.

Laporte you mean?

Fernandinho will probably have to slot in back there or move Walker across
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on September 18, 2019, 07:09:30 AM
Yes him lol.

Yeah was thinking fernandinho. Might make the league possible for Liverpool.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on October 05, 2019, 07:57:59 PM
How many clubs are in crisis with managers position in doubt?

United - Obviously
Spurs
Everton
Newcastle
Watford
Norwich - maybe
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on October 05, 2019, 09:10:07 PM
I'd be surprised if Norwich make a change. They're injury ravaged at the minute just. Everton is a big possibility.

Spurs are a complete shambles. I wasn't believing the whole affair stuff but there is def something seriously wrong in that camp.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2019, 09:19:12 PM
Southampton 0 Leicester 7 still 30 minutes to play  :o
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on October 25, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Thats the sort of result could get a manager sacked..
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on October 25, 2019, 09:53:09 PM
Beat 9-0 at home.
 :o
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on October 25, 2019, 09:56:27 PM
Beat 9-0 at home.
 :o

Biggest ever Premier league away win. Equaled the biggest win, Manchester United 9 Ipswich 0 in 1995.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: yellowcard on October 25, 2019, 09:57:34 PM
How long will Leicester keep Rodgers before a bigger club comes calling? I thought they would be top 6 before the season started but they have a good chance of finishing top 4.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Square Ball on October 25, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
How many clubs are in crisis with managers position in doubt?

United - Obviously
Spurs
Everton
Newcastle
Watford
Norwich - maybe
Southampton
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on October 25, 2019, 11:03:21 PM
United to beat Norwich 10-0 on Sunday and claim back the highest PL win. You heard it here first. And last.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: mrdeeds on October 26, 2019, 10:42:57 AM
How many clubs are in crisis with managers position in doubt?

United - Obviously
Spurs
Everton
Newcastle
Watford
Norwich - maybe
Southampton

Arsenal
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on October 27, 2019, 11:05:44 PM
Players going mad celebrating, then VAR disallows the goal. Man, they look stupid when that happens.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on October 28, 2019, 12:06:42 AM
I thought the VAR sanctioned  decision to award the penalty to Liverpool was way out of order. The theory was that Mane got his foot ahead of the Spurs defender  therefore  he had priority right before he recieved a whack on his leg. But after reviewing all the angles, it was clear that Mane tripped or was was attemping to trip the Spurs defender in his attempt to get his foot into the mix. It should have been a free out. How on earth  it can be a penalty when the defender is in the process of striking the ball and the attecking player sticks his foot in and trips him up, defies justice and the laws.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 28, 2019, 12:12:37 AM
I thought the VAR sanctioned  decision to award the penalty to Liverpool was way out of order. The theory was that Mane got his foot ahead of the Spurs defender  therefore  he had priority right before he recieved a whack on his leg. But after reviewing all the angles, it was clear that Mane tripped or was was attemping to trip the Spurs defender in his attempt to get his foot into the mix. It should have been a free out. How on earth  it can be a penalty when the defender is in the process of striking the ball and the attecking player sticks his foot in and trips him up, defies justice and the laws.

Apparently nothing wrong with the penalty.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on October 28, 2019, 01:05:11 AM
I thought the VAR sanctioned  decision to award the penalty to Liverpool was way out of order. The theory was that Mane got his foot ahead of the Spurs defender  therefore  he had priority right before he recieved a whack on his leg. But after reviewing all the angles, it was clear that Mane tripped or was was attemping to trip the Spurs defender in his attempt to get his foot into the mix. It should have been a free out. How on earth  it can be a penalty when the defender is in the process of striking the ball and the attecking player sticks his foot in and trips him up, defies justice and the laws.

I think, as the rules stand, this is definitely a penalty (because technically the defender kicked the attacker's leg), however, this is one of those cases that make you wonder about the rule.  Mane cleverly won the penalty by deliberately sticking his leg between the defender's kicking foot and the ball.   Reminds me of basketball: if you establish position before the opponent, and there is contact, you win the free, regardless of context.   

Also reminds me of a very different penalty award in a WC game some years ago between Italy and Australia.  Aussie defender had his leg out after a sliding tackle, Italian attacker saw the leg remaining outstretched and ran into it without attempting to avoid it.  Clear penalty by the rules, but more a case of a smart attacker taking advantage rather than a defender actually fouling.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Link on October 28, 2019, 09:03:47 AM
Mane gets his foot between defender and ball. Before he can take a touch he is kicked on the calf. Mane does not initiate the contact so how you can say he tried to trip him?

Clumsy by Aurier and a stone wall pen.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on October 28, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
Didnít Spurs get the exact same penalty two seasons ago when Kane moved in front of Van Dijk as he was in the process of kicking the ball? It was in injury time after Salahís wonder goal put Liverpool 2-1 up.

These days, itís a penalty. Intentions donít come into it.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on October 28, 2019, 02:02:19 PM
Didnít Spurs get the exact same penalty two seasons ago when Kane moved in front of Van Dijk as he was in the process of kicking the ball? It was in injury time after Salahís wonder goal put Liverpool 2-1 up.

These days, itís a penalty. Intentions donít come into it.

It was Lamela
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on October 28, 2019, 05:34:03 PM
Liverpool biased opinions have little or no objective value.

Live and in the first replay it looks a typical penalty, smart agressive attacking play but on the further replays 3 and 4, it looks that Mane sticks the legs in and  trips him up. 
I could sense some doubt from Andy Gray on Bein sports  but (unusually) he wasn't sure of his ground.
 From 4.45mins onwards
http://livetv223.me/enx/showvideo/762637_liverpool_tottenham/
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on November 07, 2019, 09:22:23 PM
Not quite premier league but Michael Oíneill leaving ni. Big news. Hard to see them getting as capable a manager again.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: rodney trotter on November 07, 2019, 10:04:11 PM
Risky enough move,. They are bottom of the Championship. Financially a good move, doubles his wages from what he was on with NI. He's staying as Northern Ireland manager for final 2 Qualifiers.

Chris Coleman went from  being a good International manager to being Relegated to League 1 with Sunderland. Though it was maybe more down to Bale that he had success.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: under the bar on November 10, 2019, 01:30:20 AM
Risky enough move. Financially a good move, doubles his wages from what he was on with NI. He's staying as Northern Ireland manager for final 2 Qualifiers.

Chris Coleman went from  being a good International manager to being Relegated to League 1 with Sunderland. Though it was maybe more down to Bale that he had success.

Can't really see t that much risk in doubling your wages on a 4 year contract?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on November 19, 2019, 07:37:29 PM
Pochettino sacked.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Cunny Funt on December 08, 2019, 04:18:32 PM
Vardy has scored in eight successive Premier League games for the second time in his career. This time around all the more impressive when you consider he'll turn 33 in January

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 04:34:09 PM
Leicester Liverpool on Boxing Day set up for a cracker.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2019, 04:48:00 PM
Leicester Liverpool on Boxing Day set up for a cracker.
What????
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 04:50:29 PM
what?? It is on Boxing Day is it not?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2019, 04:51:10 PM
what?? It is on Boxing Day is it not?
Again what?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 04:55:02 PM
I donít understand....
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2019, 04:56:46 PM
I donít understand....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Stephen%27s_Day
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 04:58:02 PM
I know it is also called st Stephenís day. Very odd thing to pick up on...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 08, 2019, 05:07:57 PM
Ah I'm only winding.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 08, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
 ;DWell up Leicester anyway ;D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on December 09, 2019, 10:06:45 AM
Leicester were quality at Villa Park yesterday.  Vardy is such a threat up top.  Pace in behind and tenacious at closing people down. I'd say they're a better over all team than the side that won them the league but Liverpool have just been in a different bracket.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: TabClear on December 09, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
Leicester were quality at Villa Park yesterday.  Vardy is such a threat up top.  Pace in behind and tenacious at closing people down. I'd say they're a better over all team than the side that won them the league but Liverpool have just been in a different bracket.

They have been outstanding. I think they have City and Liverpool back to back over the Xmas period which will go a long way to seeing where the title goes. An injury to Vardy and they would be in trouble but the same applies to Liverpool and VVD.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on December 09, 2019, 07:38:28 PM
Mourinho's last couple of Clubs

Chelsea
Inter
Real
Chelsea
United
Spurs
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Square Ball on December 27, 2019, 08:13:10 PM
What another ballix by VAR. No consistency whatsoever
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on December 27, 2019, 09:33:21 PM
Interesting last 10 minutes in the Wolves v City Game!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on December 27, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Happy enough with that result.  :D
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on December 27, 2019, 10:01:53 PM
Wolves are a great bit of stuff.

Thereís a lot of manu and gooner supporters totally disillusioned with the game because of their owners sucking the life out of the club, and then players on massive money only putting in effort now and again.

Wolves have a super attitude and a super manager. Theyíd be the team to turn to for anyone looking for an English club to support, certainly wonít let you down in terms of effort and application.

Theyíd probably be higher in the league too but for their very early start to the season with the europa prelims.  Be very interesting to see how they go in the upcoming almost back to back games with Liverpool
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on December 27, 2019, 10:07:07 PM
Missed the sending off today, and the replays at half time and full time were from poor angles.

Was it the refís initial decision to award red? Or did VAR upgrade from yellow to red?
Was it clear cut red with the benefit of replays or was it debatable?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on December 27, 2019, 10:18:12 PM
Agreed on wolves hound.

On another note - surely traore shoved mendy and it was a free kick??
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on December 27, 2019, 10:50:02 PM
Missed the sending off today, and the replays at half time and full time were from poor angles.

Was it the refís initial decision to award red? Or did VAR upgrade from yellow to red?
Was it clear cut red with the benefit of replays or was it debatable?
Red card all day long, no debate.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Hound on December 27, 2019, 11:16:20 PM
Thanks MS
Agreed on wolves hound.

On another note - surely traore shoved mendy and it was a free kick??
Mendy was poor, but I probably would have given the free. If heíd gone down, itís likely the ref would have blown
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: cadhlancian on December 28, 2019, 02:13:31 AM
True, ironically staying on his feet cost him. If heíd went over , 💯 it would have been a free out . Rare to see that on the defensive side of the ball . If Mendy had been the attacker and Traore the defender youíd have put the house on Mendy then falling over for a penalty ...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on December 28, 2019, 01:30:07 PM
 But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
 The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on December 28, 2019, 01:48:52 PM
But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
 The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

That's not illegal though provided the ball stays at your feet and under your control. Its simply using your body to shield the ball, same as any other spot on the field.

If the ball is out of your reach/control and you're stopping someone getting to it by backing in, shoving or blocking, then its obviously obstruction.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Main Street on December 28, 2019, 06:01:59 PM
But Mendy wasn't in control of his situation, he was indecisive. A dive would have looked farcical. To make it look good, he would have had to expect the barge and intend to not resist.
 The ball was there to be won, the ref was a fair bit away, it all happened in a flash and Traore taking clean possession made it look opportune and skillful.

It makes a change from defenders being allowed using their body to shove attacking players away from a ball going over the endline.

That's not illegal though provided the ball stays at your feet and under your control. Its simply using your body to shield the ball, same as any other spot on the field.

If the ball is out of your reach/control and you're stopping someone getting to it by backing in, shoving or blocking, then its obviously obstruction.
What I described  re "defenders using their body to shove attacking players away" is illegal and unintentionally you have confirmed it.

ďInterpretation of the Laws of the Game and Guidelines for RefereesĒ
"Shielding the ball is permitted. A player who places himself between an opponent and the ball for tactical reasons has not committed an offense as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent."

And referees have been very flexible in their interpretation of this guideline in favour of the defender.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on December 28, 2019, 06:06:59 PM
VAR  :-[
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: mouview on January 02, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: lurganblue on January 02, 2020, 02:59:09 PM
The absolute state of that VAR decision in the Burnley Villa game fs.  Ruling goals out because the back of your heel is millimetres offside.  I celebrated that Grealish goal but really the seed of doubt was then planted in my head that took the enjoyment from the next two legit goals.

Then Mee absolutely snaps Wesley with a scissor tackle (looks like its a season ender for him).  No free, no booking, no VAR.  Bin it. It's pointless. 
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 02, 2020, 05:18:55 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Aughafad on January 02, 2020, 05:47:53 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

I shouldn't really bite, but feck it anyway.

If you bothered your arse actually watching the champions league final you'd know that the Ref awarded the penalty in the final not VAR, but hey that doesn't really suit your agenda.

Man city lost out due to Pep's cautious approach to the first leg at Spurs similar to the first leg at Anfield the previous year.

VAR is not the problem, people implementing it are.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Geoff Tipps on January 02, 2020, 08:58:34 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesnít mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpoolís job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Geoff Tipps on January 03, 2020, 10:56:21 AM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesnít mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpoolís job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2020, 12:08:35 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesnít mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpoolís job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.

Yes. Look on YouTube or read the match reports from those games.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: screenexile on January 03, 2020, 12:43:21 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hlxak

Someone had posted it but it before me but it appears to be gone.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on January 03, 2020, 12:49:03 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hlxak

Someone had posted it but it before me but it appears to be gone.
That's the 2nd leg. I don't remember a disallowed goal in the 1st leg
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2020, 02:42:54 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hlxak

Someone had posted it but it before me but it appears to be gone.
That's the 2nd leg. I don't remember a disallowed goal in the 1st leg

As far as I remember, Sane had a goal wrongly struck off for offside at 3-0 in second half of the Anfield game.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Fionntamhnach on January 03, 2020, 03:16:19 PM
With current geopolitical tensions, there's a possibility that World War III could break out within the next couple of months but if it does, at least look on the bright side - it'll mean Liverpool will be denied the Premier League title.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on January 03, 2020, 03:53:54 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesnít mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpoolís job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.

Yes. Look on YouTube or read the match reports from those games.

I donít remember a disallowed goal either and donít see anything in this report...https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2018/apr/04/liverpool-v-manchester-city-champions-league-quarter-final-first-leg-live?page=with:block-5ac523abe4b059f638f1692a

I actually remember Trent having a decent game against Sane
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 03, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesnít mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpoolís job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.

Yes. Look on YouTube or read the match reports from those games.

I donít remember a disallowed goal either and donít see anything in this report...https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2018/apr/04/liverpool-v-manchester-city-champions-league-quarter-final-first-leg-live?page=with:block-5ac523abe4b059f638f1692a

I actually remember Trent having a decent game against Sane

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/04/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-champions-league-live-score-updates/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/04/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-champions-league-live-score-updates/)

This one has it... 86 minutes... although from the accompanying photo is looks incredibly tight.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on January 03, 2020, 04:33:27 PM
Misc. awards for 2019.

Luckiest winners; Liverpool. Awarded a poxy penalty by VAR (more later) in the opening minutes of the champions league final which effectively decided it. They wouldn't have been anywhere near the final had expensive misfit Dembele not missed a sitter in the last minute of the first leg v. Barce'

Unluckiest winners; Man Utd. Another bizarre VAR decision, maybe the worst of a very bad lot, gave them a peno away to PSG which sent them undeservedly to the next round and lumbered MU with a hopelessly out-of-his-depth manager for at least a year too long.

Unluckiest losers; Man City. As in the previous season, very contentious officiating decisions again cost them progress in the champions league, most notably in the second leg v Spurs. Were probably the best team in Europe at the time and would surely have gone on to win it.

Player of the season; VAR. Has a finger in everything at this stage and ballsing up the game right and proper now.

Did you watch that Nou Camp game?

Barca were blessed to win 3-0, never mind 4-0, which is not to say that Dembele shouldn't have made it that. Salah missed an arguably worse one five minutes earlier when he hit the post with the goal yawning. Liverpool missed a few other relatively easy chances too, and over the two legs were clearly the better team, even without Salah and Firmino in the second game.

Agree on City - they've been hard done by in Europe the past two seasons, although they themselves got a very dodgy handball penalty award in the Wembley game against Spurs.

Hard done by the season Liverpool knocked them out 5-1?? When you lose by that margin you can't cry arse about being hard done by.

Goals change games. Sane had one wrongly disallowed in each leg. The second leg one, in particular, would have made it 2-0 on the night and 3-2 overall. Definitely a momentum shifter. Doesnít mean they would have won the tie, but it would have made a nervous Liverpoolís job a hell of a lot harder. Instead, Salah equalized early in the second half and it was game over.

You sure about that?? I barely recall them having any chances in the first leg bar a Sane shot that he pulled wide across the goal.

Yes. Look on YouTube or read the match reports from those games.

I donít remember a disallowed goal either and donít see anything in this report...https://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2018/apr/04/liverpool-v-manchester-city-champions-league-quarter-final-first-leg-live?page=with:block-5ac523abe4b059f638f1692a

I actually remember Trent having a decent game against Sane

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/04/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-champions-league-live-score-updates/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/04/liverpool-vs-manchester-city-champions-league-live-score-updates/)

This one has it... 86 minutes... although from the accompanying photo is looks incredibly tight.

Oh gotcha...here it is on this link around the 10 min mark. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGmPus-SGg

Looked offside to me! ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 11, 2020, 05:05:13 PM
Leicester beat Southampton 9-0 at St Mary's Stadium in October and today Southampton beat Leicester 2-1 at the King Power Stadium.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2020, 05:14:22 PM
Leicester or City canít mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 11, 2020, 05:22:43 PM
Leicester or City canít mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

Yeah, ''Big''clubs like Arsenal and Man Utd have fallen asunder. Leicester were never going to be a threat as they have a small squad a heavily depend on a 33 year old up front. Man City are still the main challengers.

The lowest points total to win the league in a 38-game season was Manchester United's 75 in 1996-97. If you are good enough to win it you are good enough to win it
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Kingdom37 on January 11, 2020, 05:29:26 PM
Leicester or City canít mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

League has been over since pool beat city. Leicester were never going to challenge.  Expect spurs to shit the toilet tonight as they always do in big games. Liverpool 28/1 to remain unbeaten in league and win champions league is a  great bet
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2020, 09:19:04 PM
Leicester or City canít mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

League has been over since pool beat city. Leicester were never going to challenge.  Expect spurs to shit the toilet tonight as they always do in big games. Liverpool 28/1 to remain unbeaten in league and win champions league is a  great bet

Theyíll drop points, that be a mad bet, thatís why itís 28/1
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 11, 2020, 09:29:01 PM
Very short odds, currently 4/1 for Champions League so basically offering 9/2 on being unbeaten in 17 league games..... Especially relevant if/when they still in CL when league is won, resting players etc etc
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 11, 2020, 11:59:23 PM
Will this be the earliest for winning the league?  So poor has been  the runner ups
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2020, 12:35:24 AM
Will this be the earliest for winning the league?  So poor has been  the runner ups

This was the easiest 1996/97!


Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 12:47:28 AM
Will this be the earliest for winning the league?  So poor has been  the runner ups

This was the easiest 1996/97!




7 points difference has been the easiest? Wow
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 12:56:30 AM
Not even close...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2020, 02:16:36 AM
Will this be the earliest for winning the league?  So poor has been  the runner ups

This was the easiest 1996/97!




7 points difference has been the easiest? Wow

In 2016/17 Liverpool with a Sh!te Squad finished 4th in the League on 76!  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 12:37:00 PM
In the Southampton Leicester game long got a penalty and the Leicester defender got a yellow for the tackle. Var then deemed long was offside so it was no penalty.

It didnít look like the yellow card was retracted... what happens here ? I assume it just stands? Seems a bit harsh if strictly speaking the ball isnít still in play.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 01:07:25 PM
In the Southampton Leicester game long got a penalty and the Leicester defender got a yellow for the tackle. Var then deemed long was offside so it was no penalty.

It didnít look like the yellow card was retracted... what happens here ? I assume it just stands? Seems a bit harsh if strictly speaking the ball isnít still in play.

How many unintentional handballs are there in a game that go unpunished as the ref doesnít see it, involved in the lead up to a goal itís deemed an offence and goal chalked off, at what point do they stop looking back to?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
They mustnít look back too far as I think there was an incorrect decision for a Liverpool throw in before their goal.

What if you get a red though and then var effectively  rules out that passage of play? Doesnít seem right for that yellow or a scenario like a red which could happen.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 12, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
Leicester or City canít mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

Thatís the sort of shite we used to listen to over Armagh....LFC best team in Europe and the world....does that mean theyíre shit too?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 01:43:40 PM
Leicester or City canít mount any sort of challenge at all! Easiest championship for a while

Thatís the sort of shite we used to listen to over Armagh....LFC best team in Europe and the world....does that mean theyíre shit too?

Just the teams around them are this year, Cross were brilliant for years so no comparison there
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on January 12, 2020, 01:57:34 PM
Now that Liverpool have the title wrapped up... can they go unbeaten through the whole league season?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 02:02:09 PM
Now that Liverpool have the title wrapped up... can they go unbeaten through the whole league season?

Like the great Arsenal team? I suppose it depends on the CL and injures but, who will beat them?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: laoislad on January 12, 2020, 02:07:38 PM
Now that Liverpool have the title wrapped up... can they go unbeaten through the whole league season?
They don't have it wrapped up, and no Liverpool fan cares about the team going unbeaten, though losing next weekend wouldn't be nice  ;)
Only thing matters is winning the feckin thing.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2020, 02:18:50 PM
Now that Liverpool have the title wrapped up... can they go unbeaten through the whole league season?
They don't have it wrapped up, and no Liverpool fan cares about the team going unbeaten, though losing next weekend wouldn't be nice  ;)
Only thing matters is winning the feckin thing.

If we cross the finish line early and if we are still in the CL and if we are still in the FA Cup also. I'd say Klopp would play more weakened teams in the remaining games in the Premier League. But I'd say player welfare would be more important than breaking records that nobody really remembers.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 02:23:02 PM
They mustnít look back too far as I think there was an incorrect decision for a Liverpool throw in before their goal.

What if you get a red though and then var effectively  rules out that passage of play? Doesnít seem right for that yellow or a scenario like a red which could happen.

Was Andy Robertson's tackle looked at by VAR? It's looks a Stonewall red from what I see albeit only on Twitter on my phone.

Another one caught my eye yesterday in Utd game, ball crossed towards Mata who's a couple of yards offside. Flag doesnt go up cause linos are encouraged to let play continue so defender has to head out for corner. Had Mata scored it's ruled out for offside by VAR but instead Norwich must defend a corner which United may score from, hardly a case of helping the defending team....

Happened against United a few weeks back against Sheefield United who scored from the corner
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 02:50:30 PM
Robertsonís wasnít a red at all watching it back though.i think some stills made it look bad but as a sequence never a red.

Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 12, 2020, 03:51:54 PM
Didnít think Robertsonís was a red. They both went in the exact same way on the ball. Robertson just got there first and caught him on the follow through. Granted, the still photo of the contact looks bad, but it is not exactly a true representation of what happened.

A bit like the supposed Van Dijk handball before the Liverpool goal against Wolves. The still from behind looks bad, but the video from all angles shows he clearly got his arm out of the way and didnít touch the ball.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 05:28:46 PM
It wasn't a still I saw it was a video on some journos feed, yis both must be related to my woman as neither answered the question I asked  :) I was curious to know did VAR look at it ...

Found tweet there but content removed due to copyright breach
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 05:54:25 PM
Lol. Good point. I donít think so. Is var not only for goals? Not sure I have seen it used for anything else.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: From the Bunker on January 12, 2020, 05:56:49 PM
Lol. Good point. I donít think so. Is var not only for goals? Not sure I have seen it used for anything else.

Aubameyang Red vs Palace
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: imtommygunn on January 12, 2020, 06:07:43 PM
Oh missed that. Yesterday or first game of season?
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 06:30:32 PM
City demolished Villa and Aguero becomes the best foreign striker and has scored the most hat-tricks?

Some player all the same
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on January 12, 2020, 06:52:07 PM
Robertson was not a red card not even a yellow card as he won the ball before contacting the player.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 07:05:35 PM
Robertson was not a red card not even a yellow card as he won the ball before contacting the player.

Ah jeez that makes absolutely no difference
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Robertson was not a red card not even a yellow card as he won the ball before contacting the player.

Ah jeez that makes absolutely no difference

It does for Livarpool supporters  ;)
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on January 12, 2020, 07:32:10 PM
It wasnít even a foul. He got the ball and caught him on the follow through with the outside of his boot. Now the later one where he had a nibble at Alderweild was naughty...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: hardstation on January 12, 2020, 08:20:25 PM
It wasnít even a foul. He got the ball and caught him on the follow through with the outside of his boot. Now the later one where he had a nibble at Alderweild was naughty...
There was a boy sent off for Leicester a while back who ďgot the ballĒ and didnít ďmake contact with the opponentĒ. Apparently he ďwasnít in controlĒ.

The whole thing is in shite.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on January 12, 2020, 09:29:17 PM
Getting the ball is of absolute no relevance to the situation at all.....

Still nobody has told me whether VAR was used, that's all I really wanted to know. It was a post about VAR more than anything else...
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: J70 on January 12, 2020, 09:33:09 PM
In that case, Iíve no idea
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Capt Pat on January 12, 2020, 09:45:18 PM
Getting the ball is of absolute no relevance to the situation at all.....

Still nobody has told me whether VAR was used, that's all I really wanted to know. It was a post about VAR more than anything else...

VAR were having a cup of tea according to Mourinho.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: cadhlancian on January 13, 2020, 01:25:51 AM
PA was booked for the foul that he ultimately got red carded for . The referee has to issue a booking in order for it to be reviewed I believe ? AR wasnít booked , so the referee or VAR didnít look at it.  Again , I thought thatís how it was , I could be wrong though..
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on January 13, 2020, 02:30:27 AM
I think that's right.  AFAIK, for card calls, VAR can only adjudicate on whether the correct card was awarded, not whether one should have been awarded if one wasn't (except for penalty calls where 'clear and obvious error' comes into play).

The Robertson challenge was right on the yellow/red cusp.  Reckless enough that he could have had no real complaints if he got the red though.
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Boycey on February 02, 2020, 08:45:26 PM
f**king hilarious

https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/status/1224044160681947136?s=19
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 02, 2020, 08:52:59 PM
f**king hilarious

https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/status/1224044160681947136?s=19

I loved the tweet below it... when your mate tells you itís last orders
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: gawa316 on February 02, 2020, 09:04:28 PM
f**king hilarious

https://twitter.com/FutbolBible/status/1224044160681947136?s=19

🤣
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: BennyCake on February 02, 2020, 11:15:02 PM
Mike Dean has a mare there.

City man sent off for a shoulder? Wtf like?

Sterling should have gone for first tackle. Certainly for the dive!
Title: Re: Premier League 2019/20
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on February 02, 2020, 11:44:48 PM
It was a second yellow for a foul, not a red.  Contact was shoulder to shoulder, but the ball was long past and was not in playing distance, which is required for a fair shoulder challenge. 

Ref was poor for both teams today, but he got that right.