gaaboard.com

GAA Discussion => GAA Discussion => Topic started by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 26, 2019, 09:58:57 PM

Title: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 26, 2019, 09:58:57 PM
No hiding under any bushes or lights under bushels here, Donegal will need to step up their ability to work scores, and we'll need to keep 'er lit, defensive-wise for something like the 70, whilst keeping the attacking pressure on.

Unlikely to be a repeat of 2018 in Ballybofey perhaps, but would still be surprised not to prevail here.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 27, 2019, 12:21:07 AM
I’d agree. We are definitely going in as underdogs here. Think it will be tight enough (and tense and bad tempered), but Tyrone will pull through with three or four points to spare in the end.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fuzzman on May 27, 2019, 10:39:48 AM
That's that sorted then?
When is the final?  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Quarterback on May 27, 2019, 10:41:30 AM
This is going to be nip and tuck - Donegal are very strong team and nothing like Tyrone have played to date.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trailer on May 27, 2019, 10:47:49 AM
This is going to be nip and tuck - Donegal are very strong team and nothing like Tyrone have played to date.

They played them last year, and the year before that and the year before that.... They're exactly the team Tyrone have played to date.

Tyrone by 6.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Jayop on May 27, 2019, 01:57:24 PM
Expecting a really tasty game here, a lot more expansive than the last few Ulster championship encounters which were defend the 45 fests. Still plenty of bad blood between the counties so it won't be all pretty football but should be the biggest game of the season so far in football and will hopefully live up to its billing.

Tyrone should pull through in the end by a few points but I'm far from cocky about it and a Donegal win wouldn't be a big surprise.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fuzzman on May 27, 2019, 04:33:01 PM
Donegal will be still smarting from last year where they probably expected to beat Tyrone in their own back yard as usual and thought they had a great chance to get to an AI final and be back with the big boys.

It didn't turn out that way but with Jamie Brennan outshining his Tyrone namesake and Paddy McBrearty looking sharp they can now afford to leave Murphy out around the midfield sector where he is harder to bottle up.
Another year's experience for the new lads coming through and with players like McLoone and Ryan McHugh still to the fore, one would be very naive to write this Donegal team off.
Most of would hope that they very cagey defensive style of both teams is now left behind but you would wonder with so much to lose or maybe so much to be gained from getting to an Ulster final, would both teams be tempted to revert to possession football and not "leave the ball in early".

One would imagine McShane in particular will be in for a much more robust day at the office with Neil McGee still well able to out bully most full forwards. I would hope both McShane and Mattie would play as a two man full forward line and Tyrone try to keep them guessing will they go long or run the ball. Peter Harte showed he still has the pace and guile to run hard with the ball and create goal chances but Niall Sludden has certainly fell back quite a bit from his own high standards and with such a strong looking bench I for one would rather see someone else given a chance. However, Mickey seems very loyal to most of his regulars and he will probably start.

You would imagine Tyrone would edge things on the line with Mickey Harte's experience over the lovable Declan Bonnar but we've already seen a few surprises this year and I for one will be very uneasy going into this game and can certainly not see there being more than a point or two in it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Jayop on May 27, 2019, 06:16:21 PM
Mcbrearty missing from the super 8 game last year can't be underestimated. Huge factor. That said not sure can we really read much into this game from past encounters with Tyrone having changed so much. Us being more attacking will certainly suit donegal and you've seen in the two Tyrone games so far that no sweeper is leaving us very soft in the middle. The likes of McHugh charging through there will see them get goal chances for sure.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2019, 11:26:40 AM
"Lovable Declan Bonner"?

Christ, can you boys not let it go? Each side believed and stood by their own and said so publicly. Its been four years. Time to move on.

BTW we are very happy thus far with Declan in Donegal. Got us playing good football. Guided a generation of very promising players through to senior from young teenage grade, with some underage success along the way. Became only the third Donegal manager to win Ulster, right after the frustration of the Rory Gallagher years. Not too shabby at all. 8)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: JoG2 on May 29, 2019, 11:39:26 AM
I really think this Donegal teaming is building nicely. There's serious fire power there and they've a bucketload of powerful runners and tigerish defenders, and of course Michael Murphy. Donegal to win by 2/3 and will retain their Ulster crown
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: ck on May 29, 2019, 12:50:47 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 29, 2019, 01:42:56 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: The Bearded One on May 29, 2019, 02:08:11 PM
Fermanagh held this Donegal firepower to 15 points, 3 of which were in added time at the end of the game when Fermanagh were chasing scores.

Donegal have attacking threats, so do Tyrone. Donegal played 2 out and out defenders against Fermanagh, namely McMenamin and McGee, otherwise they had 4 attack minded 'defenders' in McLoone, McHugh, Gallagher and McGrath, knowing they didn't need to be overly defensive against Fermanagh. I predict their personnel will change next day out to leave more protection for Magee and McMenamin, otherwise Tyrone's running game will hurt them. Both keepers will have a big influence, Donegal didn't lose a kickout the last day out, Tyrone will exert more pressure on them hopefully.

Both teams will fancy their chances in this one, going with Tyrone by a small margin with the players coming in from bench making a difference on the day. 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2019, 02:42:01 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: JoG2 on May 29, 2019, 03:16:07 PM
Fermanagh held this Donegal firepower to 15 points, 3 of which were in added time at the end of the game when Fermanagh were chasing scores.

Donegal have attacking threats, so do Tyrone. Donegal played 2 out and out defenders against Fermanagh, namely McMenamin and McGee, otherwise they had 4 attack minded 'defenders' in McLoone, McHugh, Gallagher and McGrath, knowing they didn't need to be overly defensive against Fermanagh. I predict their personnel will change next day out to leave more protection for Magee and McMenamin, otherwise Tyrone's running game will hurt them. Both keepers will have a big influence, Donegal didn't lose a kickout the last day out, Tyrone will exert more pressure on them hopefully.

Both teams will fancy their chances in this one, going with Tyrone by a small margin with the players coming in from bench making a difference on the day.

The same Fermanagh that held Monaghan to 10 points last year. The same Monaghan that put 19 odd scores on Tyrone in Rd 1.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2019, 03:25:45 PM

Slightly different as Tyrone had 3 of their first team players taken off with injury inside the first half. Also the same Tyrone team that knocked monaghan out later on
Fermanagh held this Donegal firepower to 15 points, 3 of which were in added time at the end of the game when Fermanagh were chasing scores.

Donegal have attacking threats, so do Tyrone. Donegal played 2 out and out defenders against Fermanagh, namely McMenamin and McGee, otherwise they had 4 attack minded 'defenders' in McLoone, McHugh, Gallagher and McGrath, knowing they didn't need to be overly defensive against Fermanagh. I predict their personnel will change next day out to leave more protection for Magee and McMenamin, otherwise Tyrone's running game will hurt them. Both keepers will have a big influence, Donegal didn't lose a kickout the last day out, Tyrone will exert more pressure on them hopefully.

Both teams will fancy their chances in this one, going with Tyrone by a small margin with the players coming in from bench making a difference on the day.

The same Fermanagh that held Monaghan to 10 points last year. The same Monaghan that put 19 odd scores on Tyrone in Rd 1.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: The Bearded One on May 29, 2019, 03:41:42 PM
Fermanagh held this Donegal firepower to 15 points, 3 of which were in added time at the end of the game when Fermanagh were chasing scores.

Donegal have attacking threats, so do Tyrone. Donegal played 2 out and out defenders against Fermanagh, namely McMenamin and McGee, otherwise they had 4 attack minded 'defenders' in McLoone, McHugh, Gallagher and McGrath, knowing they didn't need to be overly defensive against Fermanagh. I predict their personnel will change next day out to leave more protection for Magee and McMenamin, otherwise Tyrone's running game will hurt them. Both keepers will have a big influence, Donegal didn't lose a kickout the last day out, Tyrone will exert more pressure on them hopefully.

Both teams will fancy their chances in this one, going with Tyrone by a small margin with the players coming in from bench making a difference on the day.

The same Fermanagh that held Monaghan to 10 points last year. The same Monaghan that put 19 odd scores on Tyrone in Rd 1.

The same Fermanagh who conceded 2-18 in an Ulster Final last year to Donegal.... but this Donegal team is building nicely you say. 

It was only my opinion and I backed it up with some reasoning, Donegal are a good side and are a real threat. Whoever wins will have to earn it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on May 29, 2019, 04:09:39 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

The only game out of the last three that has been comfortable for Tyrone was 2017. In 2016 Donegal led for pretty much the entire game, losing to some wonder scores in injury time. Last year in Ballybofey Donegal led from before half time until around the 65th minute, that doesn't strike me as comfortable for Tyrone. You could be referring to the score but to be fair the second goal was scored in the 82nd minute, four minutes after injury time was supposed to have ended.

Anyway I'm hoping that Donegal win as we'll more than likely have to listen to Tyrone being hyped up going into the Super 8s otherwise. And we all know what happens when the Tyrone of this era have to play a semi-decent non-Ulster team in Croke Park.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 29, 2019, 04:28:28 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

The only game out of the last three that has been comfortable for Tyrone was 2017. In 2016 Donegal led for pretty much the entire game, losing to some wonder scores in injury time. Last year in Ballybofey Donegal led from before half time until around the 65th minute, that doesn't strike me as comfortable for Tyrone. You could be referring to the score but to be fair the second goal was scored in the 82nd minute, four minutes after injury time was supposed to have ended.

Anyway I'm hoping that Donegal win as we'll more than likely have to listen to Tyrone being hyped up going into the Super 8s otherwise. And we all know what happens when the Tyrone of this era have to play a semi-decent non-Ulster team in Croke Park.

I'd still call a 7 point win fairly comfortable. Tyrone were totally dominant in the final 20 minutes when it mattered.

I'd love to see Tyrone get a crack at Mayo or Kerry in croke park later in the year. It's been a few years since we did and I think we have taken over both since. Tyrone handled the Roscommon team that knocked out Mayo at the weekend convincingly in Croke Park last year.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2019, 04:33:31 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.

And no shortage of confidence coming from Tyrone either.

Does that help Donegal?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fuzzman on May 29, 2019, 05:12:48 PM
This is great craic.
Finally a bit of the old GAA Discussion board banter.

I certainly wouldn't be as confident as some of my fellow county men.
I think we have changed and improved than where we were last year.
Playing Mattie and McShane in the FF line might be seen as some as a sign we don't have any good natural forwards but I think that's very naive thinking. I think Mickey has copied Dublin in that regard in that he holds back some excellent score getters until that final push.
Our games v Derry and Antrim will mean nothing to how we really play against a decent side and I would have Donegal 5th in Ireland at the moment. Things definitely went right for us in Ballybofey last year when it looked like we would lose being 4 points down at one stage.
For me kicking the ball in long to two good ball winners has improved us as an attacking force rather than playing a predictable running game. Saying that I expect both teams will be keen to protect possession as much as possible and I'll expect Frank Burns to maybe sit back in front of McBrearty.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on May 29, 2019, 05:21:44 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.

And no shortage of confidence coming from Tyrone either.

Does that help Donegal?

Since we are a better team obviously no it doesnt
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: StephenC on May 29, 2019, 05:35:35 PM
Tyrone 4/7, draw 15/2, Donegal 7/4.

Very little confidence in Donegal but sure you lads can talk it up if it'll make posting more fun. Great to have Paddy back although MacNiallis's loss is huge. One of these days we are going to be harshly reminded of Neil McGee's age/mileage and I fear it could be in this game. Tyrone have the depth, the experience and the strength to edge it. Hoping for a close game but can't see us winning.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on May 29, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Just had a look at Tyrone (2018, 2017) and Donegal's (2018, 2016) last two championship games against Dublin in Croke Park to see how they fared respectively.

Interestingly Tyrone's average losing margin is nearly double that of Donegal's: 9 points compared to 5.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2019, 05:44:57 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.

And no shortage of confidence coming from Tyrone either.

Does that help Donegal?

Since we are a better team obviously no it doesnt

But sure why would Tyrone care if Donegal are confident then? :)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on May 29, 2019, 05:51:38 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.

And no shortage of confidence coming from Tyrone either.

Does that help Donegal?

Since we are a better team obviously no it doesnt

But sure why would Tyrone care if Donegal are confident then? :)

Personally I couldnt give a hoot
But i know its all the sweeter to take yous down when your tails are up, so maybe that has something to do with it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyrone08 on May 29, 2019, 05:56:33 PM
http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/299835

Wouldn't surprise me if donegal beat Tyrone but still can't explain how he's so very very confident
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on May 29, 2019, 06:00:01 PM
Cos he loves the attention
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2019, 06:27:10 PM
He's got the attention of you boys. ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2019, 06:28:05 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.

And no shortage of confidence coming from Tyrone either.

Does that help Donegal?

Since we are a better team obviously no it doesnt

But sure why would Tyrone care if Donegal are confident then? :)

Personally I couldnt give a hoot
But i know its all the sweeter to take yous down when your tails are up, so maybe that has something to do with it.

Er... Tyrone are fairly hot favourites for this, in case you hadn't noticed!
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on May 29, 2019, 06:35:40 PM
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.
This has a Donegal win written all over it for me. Donegal probably have better players all over the park and certainly have better firepower. Tyrone will struggle to shut down Murphy, McBrearty, Brennan et al. I think Tyrone are very decent but compare their attacking threats and how they are depending on for scores, McShane and Donnelly who are probably midfielders more than attackers. Tyrones trump card is their sideline and their ability to make changes to win the game. I don't think Donegal possess that craft in Bonner. If it's tight Mickey Harte will come to the fore.. but I think Donegal will overpower them with their attack.

Donegal by 5

Couldn't agree with that at all. Tyrone have beaten Donegal 3 times in a row in the championship with a lot of the better players involved in both sides. Two of those victories where comfortable. Tyrone also operated in division 1 beating Dublin and Galway whereas Donegal struggled to get out division 2. If Donegal had better players all over the park I don't think these things would have happened.

I'd be happy enough now with the way we're playing that we've as much firepower if not more than Donegal. Murphy and McBreaty can both be hit and miss in big games.

I would agree with this both McBreaty and Murphy have been marked out of it in numerous past games. Seem to be  lot of confidence in Donegal which should help Tyrone.

And no shortage of confidence coming from Tyrone either.

Does that help Donegal?

Since we are a better team obviously no it doesnt

But sure why would Tyrone care if Donegal are confident then? :)

Personally I couldnt give a hoot
But i know its all the sweeter to take yous down when your tails are up, so maybe that has something to do with it.

Er... Tyrone are fairly hot favourites for this, in case you hadn't noticed!

Eh... I was answering your question.

Yous really need to get out of them Hedge schools and into proper classroom, far too many distractions like counting rushes and sheep. The effect on Neil McGee is there for all to see.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: skeog on May 29, 2019, 06:40:07 PM
Anyone paying attention to Eamon Mc Gee needs head examined.See he is now classed as a legend.Man full of arrogance who has turned up for matches  drunk some years ago.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on May 29, 2019, 07:16:28 PM
Tyrone are favourites and rightly so. Not a whole pile between the team but I think Tyrone are a better coached, more organised side with players further down the line than Donegal - a win for Donegal would not be a huge surprise but a surprise nonetheless.

The matchups will be interesting, we have a few injuries at the minute - Meyler, McGeary, Mulgrew, McKernan and Kennedy all missed the last game. I wonder if Harte will bring Meyler straight back in for this to do a man marking job on McHugh who has caused problems in the past. I'd suspect Hampsey will mark Murphy and McNamee on McBrearty as has been the case previously. McKernan will probably end up on Brennan if he's fit.

Who is the ref down for this? I think the Donegal players try and apply a serious amount of pressure on the referee, it was very noticeable against Fermanagh that they were in the referee's face at every opportunity trying to get him to overreact to Fermanagh tackles and fouls.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2019, 07:25:18 PM
Whereas other people might say the Donegal players were getting rightfully frustrated at the Fermanagh tactic of fouling after every turnover.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on May 29, 2019, 07:35:13 PM
Whereas other people might say the Donegal players were getting rightfully frustrated at the Fermanagh tactic of fouling after every turnover.

I wouldn't say they were quite right as Donegal were quite quick to foul themselves when they got turned over and the Fermanagh players just got on with it. I just thought that the referee allowed himself to be swayed pretty easily by Donegal players badgering him. It seemed to be quite a collective effort though Ryan McHugh looked to be the leader in it.



Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 29, 2019, 07:51:28 PM
Whereas other people might say the Donegal players were getting rightfully frustrated at the Fermanagh tactic of fouling after every turnover.

I wouldn't say they were quite right as Donegal were quite quick to foul themselves when they got turned over and the Fermanagh players just got on with it. I just thought that the referee allowed himself to be swayed pretty easily by Donegal players badgering him. It seemed to be quite a collective effort though Ryan McHugh looked to be the leader in it.

Only one of note I can remember with McHugh was the first half one where Che Cullen followed through late on Leo McLoone (I think) to make sure he went to ground, then took off straight away back up the field, and McHugh jumped up and down in frustration.

Everyone sees what they want to see when it comes to this stuff. I thought McQuillan handled the game well overall and neither side had particular cause for complaint.

But I guarantee that after this next game there will be a lot of whinging on this thread about the referee, whoever it is.  :)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on May 29, 2019, 08:01:43 PM
Murphy is worst intimidater of referees around, been at it for years.

Only thing against him is referees know he is gonna be at it, but it all right knowing it but when a man that size jumps in front of you and starts shouting your resistance to him is gonna diminish to some degree
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on May 29, 2019, 08:38:04 PM
Whereas other people might say the Donegal players were getting rightfully frustrated at the Fermanagh tactic of fouling after every turnover.

I wouldn't say they were quite right as Donegal were quite quick to foul themselves when they got turned over and the Fermanagh players just got on with it. I just thought that the referee allowed himself to be swayed pretty easily by Donegal players badgering him. It seemed to be quite a collective effort though Ryan McHugh looked to be the leader in it.



Only one of note I can remember with McHugh was the first half one where Che Cullen followed through late on Leo McLoone (I think) to make sure he went to ground, then took off straight away back up the field, and McHugh jumped up and down in frustration.

Everyone sees what they want to see when it comes to this stuff. I thought McQuillan handled the game well overall and neither side had particular cause for complaint.

But I guarantee that after this next game there will be a lot of whinging on this thread about the referee, whoever it is.  :)

Hugh McFadden sprinted in at the umpire in the first half as well when Paddy McGrath got pushed to ground while making his way back from a free. A horde of Donegal players then started surrounding the referee.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: rrhf on May 30, 2019, 08:00:04 AM
Murphy is worst intimidater of referees around, been at it for years.

Only thing against him is referees know he is gonna be at it, but it all right knowing it but when a man that size jumps in front of you and starts shouting your resistance to him is gonna diminish to some degree
All time Great footballer - gets away with blue murder and whilst referees let it go it’s only so long before a black card comes his way...every year we get nervous about Donegal and yes Breffni Park looks like a difficult evening and game. Some might say Donegal have been the most intimidatIng county from Ulster for about 8 years now, they used to be able to back it up
More but most referees don’t tolerate their auld guff any more and they probably lose too many men through indiscipline in the modern game... Donegal were being managed by Jimmy Mc Guinness I’d fear them more, but I think Tyrone might always be that little extra motivated to never give an inch to a Declan Bonner moulded  team. In a tight game with Bonner and Murphy losing the rag and dismissed  at some point I’d guess Tyrone by 4-5. Looking forward to this battle..always had a little soft spot for Donegal..
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on May 30, 2019, 09:18:43 AM
Have Tyrone played a championship game in Breffni since 1994? I remember Canavan scoring a few greats points against Donegal that day, I've also a memory of either Lawn or McGleenan palming one into the net but could be wrong on that. I can't think of any Tyrone championship games there since. It probably wasn't the most suitable venue but it is a very good ground and makes for a change from the usual places our ulster championship games are.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 30, 2019, 10:59:49 AM
Murphy is worst intimidater of referees around, been at it for years.

Only thing against him is referees know he is gonna be at it, but it all right knowing it but when a man that size jumps in front of you and starts shouting your resistance to him is gonna diminish to some degree
All time Great footballer - gets away with blue murder and whilst referees let it go it’s only so long before a black card comes his way...every year we get nervous about Donegal and yes Breffni Park looks like a difficult evening and game. Some might say Donegal have been the most intimidatIng county from Ulster for about 8 years now, they used to be able to back it up
More but most referees don’t tolerate their auld guff any more and they probably lose too many men through indiscipline in the modern game... Donegal were being managed by Jimmy Mc Guinness I’d fear them more, but I think Tyrone might always be that little extra motivated to never give an inch to a Declan Bonner moulded  team. In a tight game with Bonner and Murphy losing the rag and dismissed  at some point I’d guess Tyrone by 4-5. Looking forward to this battle..always had a little soft spot for Donegal..

Bonner and Murphy are getting the line?

We lose a lot of players to indiscipline?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on May 30, 2019, 03:26:10 PM
Have Tyrone played a championship game in Breffni since 1994? I remember Canavan scoring a few greats points against Donegal that day, I've also a memory of either Lawn or McGleenan palming one into the net but could be wrong on that. I can't think of any Tyrone championship games there since. It probably wasn't the most suitable venue but it is a very good ground and makes for a change from the usual places our ulster championship games are.

I mind it well, I was very confident we would win (as cubs too be), traffic was desperate too, and McHugh was taken off early (last game?) and it was lashing rain. We gave them a right walloping.
My abiding memory of that game tho was the amount of pissed off Donegal wans, I dont think Ive ever seen fans as annoyed
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 30, 2019, 03:29:42 PM
Jaysus Joe you seem very preoccupied with the mood of us Donegal folk when it comes to these games. ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on May 30, 2019, 03:38:32 PM
Jaysus Joe you seem very preoccupied with the mood of us Donegal folk when it comes to these games. ;D

Prehaps it all harks back to the pleasure i took from your displeasure back then.
Funnily enuff I like Donegal football and people quite alot (McGuinness excluded of course) would rather see them win than any of our other neighbours  (except Fermanagh but not sure they really count)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 30, 2019, 03:51:43 PM
I could see people being unhappy in '94... barely 12 months previously we were still strutting AI champs for the first time ever, getting guards of honour, before Dublin beat us in that league final replay and Anthony Tohill bulldozed his way through the Clones mire with us hanging off his legs to single-handedly dethrone us. I don't know if a lot of Donegal people saw Canavan and the first hint of the rise of Tyrone coming that day in Breffni. Thankfully, I was enjoying a college summer in the US that year!
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on May 30, 2019, 05:30:31 PM
Whereas other people might say the Donegal players were getting rightfully frustrated at the Fermanagh tactic of fouling after every turnover.

I wouldn't say they were quite right as Donegal were quite quick to foul themselves when they got turned over and the Fermanagh players just got on with it. I just thought that the referee allowed himself to be swayed pretty easily by Donegal players badgering him. It seemed to be quite a collective effort though Ryan McHugh looked to be the leader in it.

Only one of note I can remember with McHugh was the first half one where Che Cullen followed through late on Leo McLoone (I think) to make sure he went to ground, then took off straight away back up the field, and McHugh jumped up and down in frustration.

Everyone sees what they want to see when it comes to this stuff. I thought McQuillan handled the game well overall and neither side had particular cause for complaint.

But I guarantee that after this next game there will be a lot of whinging on this thread about the referee, whoever it is.  :)

McHugh does that a lot tho.
And there were plenty of fermanagh players in the refs ear
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyCake on May 30, 2019, 05:55:56 PM
Waving your arms and remonstrateing in front of the ref is all being coached these days. It’s all to get in the referees head that we are being continually fouled here, and these boys are cynically stopping us playing our game. Next time there’s a debated tussle, the ref will more than likely give the free to the complaining team.

Pat Spillane admitted doing similar during his career.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2019, 10:51:24 AM
I don't wanna open a can of worms but I wonder how other teams see Tyrone's discipline now.
Naturally there are those with bias who will always see us as divers, cheats, dirty players like Ricey, Gormley etc but I don't think we have a Neil McGee or Johnny Cooper type of player any more.
Mattie D and Hampsey are probably our toughest players but to me it looks like we have backed off on the off the ball stuff and sledging but maybe I'm biased.
Some people would say Colm Cavanagh does the odd thing to annoy rival fans but to me he's a big softie.

Donegal definitely added "steel" to their game when McGuinness took over but I think the game is much cleaner now than it used to be and thus ye see much more handbags and throat grabbing that actual punches any more.

Donegal will be keen to build on winning Ulster last year and know should they win this game they will more than likely win two in a row. I'm curious what is the mindset of the Donegal fans the last few years. There was a while there they had Tyrone's number and they definitely felt as if they were the better team. Is that still the case or are they thinking they have fell back and Tyrone are well ahead of them now?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 31, 2019, 11:20:29 AM
Define "well ahead". :)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Maroon Manc on May 31, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
Just had a look at the Donegal 26 for last Sunday, who do they still have to come back in?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fuzzman on May 31, 2019, 01:38:43 PM
Define "well ahead". :)

No chance of beating them
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 31, 2019, 01:51:17 PM
Define "well ahead". :)

No chance of beating them

Then no.

You're strong favourites, but its not like we're going out to play the Dubs. Beating you would not be a shock. Beating the Dubs in the Championship would require some serious explaining!
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on May 31, 2019, 05:01:08 PM
Define "well ahead". :)

No chance of beating them

Then no.


Shocking arrogance!
I'll be happy to have it leathered out of yous Sat week
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyrone08 on May 31, 2019, 05:38:32 PM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on May 31, 2019, 05:45:02 PM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh

What have we got, three Donegal supporters on this thread?

Not one of us has Tyrone as anything other than favourites.

Or was my fearing you much less than Dublin too much for you to handle?

As for the Fermanagh game, I don't think I felt we wouldn't win that at any stage in that match.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on May 31, 2019, 07:01:02 PM
Donegal at 7/4 is way over priced in my view. This one will be very tight.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on May 31, 2019, 07:14:08 PM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh

What have we got, three Donegal supporters on this thread?

Not one of us has Tyrone as anything other than favourites.

Or was my fearing you much less than Dublin too much for you to handle?

As for the Fermanagh game, I don't think I felt we wouldn't win that at any stage in that match.

How dare you imply you might, just might, have a chance of winning... how arrogant  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyrone08 on May 31, 2019, 07:51:35 PM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh

What have we got, three Donegal supporters on this thread?

Not one of us has Tyrone as anything other than favourites.

Or was my fearing you much less than Dublin too much for you to handle?

As for the Fermanagh game, I don't think I felt we wouldn't win that at any stage in that match.

If you would please re read my comment I said donegal posters in another forum where mutilple people have donegal as hot favourites. I think the match will be very close with only a few points in it. Not sure why you brought the dubs into it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Main Street on May 31, 2019, 09:59:40 PM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh
What have we got, three Donegal supporters on this thread?
Not one of us has Tyrone as anything other than favourites.
Or was my fearing you much less than Dublin too much for you to handle?

As for the Fermanagh game, I don't think I felt we wouldn't win that at any stage in that match.

If you would please re read my comment I said donegal posters in another forum where mutilple people have donegal as hot favourites. I think the match will be very close with only a few points in it. Not sure why you brought the dubs into it.
One poster on the Donegal forum on Hogan Stand happened to mention Donegal's admirable physique/athleticism  and the superior prowess of their forwards blowing Tyrone away, the rest of the posters were measured in their expectations.


Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: rrhf on June 01, 2019, 12:25:03 AM
Honestly Tyrone by 4 plus. Nothing to see here. How many more years on bonners contract? No problem
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyrone08 on June 01, 2019, 10:55:04 AM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh
What have we got, three Donegal supporters on this thread?
Not one of us has Tyrone as anything other than favourites.
Or was my fearing you much less than Dublin too much for you to handle?

As for the Fermanagh game, I don't think I felt we wouldn't win that at any stage in that match.

If you would please re read my comment I said donegal posters in another forum where mutilple people have donegal as hot favourites. I think the match will be very close with only a few points in it. Not sure why you brought the dubs into it.
One poster on the Donegal forum on Hogan Stand happened to mention Donegal's admirable physique/athleticism  and the superior prowess of their forwards blowing Tyrone away, the rest of the posters were measured in their expectations.

I assume you missed the post about donegal having the 6 best forwards in the country. Hmmm sounds measured to be
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Main Street on June 01, 2019, 12:35:22 PM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh
What have we got, three Donegal supporters on this thread?
Not one of us has Tyrone as anything other than favourites.
Or was my fearing you much less than Dublin too much for you to handle?

As for the Fermanagh game, I don't think I felt we wouldn't win that at any stage in that match.

If you would please re read my comment I said donegal posters in another forum where mutilple people have donegal as hot favourites. I think the match will be very close with only a few points in it. Not sure why you brought the dubs into it.
One poster on the Donegal forum on Hogan Stand happened to mention Donegal's admirable physique/athleticism  and the superior prowess of their forwards blowing Tyrone away, the rest of the posters were measured in their expectations.

I assume you missed the  post about donegal having the 6 best forwards in the country. Hmmm sounds measured to be
You missed the bit where he didn't say Tyrone were in for a hammering.
Donegal have a very good forward line, a physically imposing team with plenty of individually talented footballers and could well get it together on the day
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 01, 2019, 12:37:51 PM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh
What have we got, three Donegal supporters on this thread?
Not one of us has Tyrone as anything other than favourites.
Or was my fearing you much less than Dublin too much for you to handle?

As for the Fermanagh game, I don't think I felt we wouldn't win that at any stage in that match.

If you would please re read my comment I said donegal posters in another forum where mutilple people have donegal as hot favourites. I think the match will be very close with only a few points in it. Not sure why you brought the dubs into it.
One poster on the Donegal forum on Hogan Stand happened to mention Donegal's admirable physique/athleticism  and the superior prowess of their forwards blowing Tyrone away, the rest of the posters were measured in their expectations.

I assume you missed the post about donegal having the 6 best forwards in the country. Hmmm sounds measured to be

And I'm sure there are deluded Tyrone fans who think Tyrone are odds on to win by ten points or more.

So what?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Jayop on June 01, 2019, 01:22:38 PM
Who gives a shit if some fans of either team are confident of winning. Fair play to them and once they're not running down the other players then it's great to see.

f**k me but it would be boring if we all agreed.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on June 01, 2019, 01:58:24 PM
Wonder why donegal posters are so confident. I am not confident for Tyrone but I do expect Tyrone to have a little bit too much for donegal. I looked at the donegal page on another forum and by the sounds of it Tyrone are in for a hammering. Apparently donegal are larger and more physical and have better players in nearly every position.

V. Confident for a team who have lost 2 years in a row to Tyrone, who came 2nd in division 2 and who found it difficult for large parts of the game against fermanagh
What have we got, three Donegal supporters on this thread?
Not one of us has Tyrone as anything other than favourites.
Or was my fearing you much less than Dublin too much for you to handle?

As for the Fermanagh game, I don't think I felt we wouldn't win that at any stage in that match.

If you would please re read my comment I said donegal posters in another forum where mutilple people have donegal as hot favourites. I think the match will be very close with only a few points in it. Not sure why you brought the dubs into it.
One poster on the Donegal forum on Hogan Stand happened to mention Donegal's admirable physique/athleticism  and the superior prowess of their forwards blowing Tyrone away, the rest of the posters were measured in their expectations.

I assume you missed the post about donegal having the 6 best forwards in the country. Hmmm sounds measured to be

Is everything alright?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 02, 2019, 01:44:05 PM
Fair dues to any Donegal wans overflowing with confidence, the day this fixture is meekly accepted as a foregone conclusion is the day the Ulster Championship has died.

Lean ar aghaidh! :)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Main Street on June 02, 2019, 09:16:28 PM
A lot of empty vessels being rattled against that one impertinent Donegal fan ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 03, 2019, 08:59:27 AM
This will be the first proper test of Tyrone's changed attacking strategy and also the first proper test of Cathal McShane in his relatively new role. I hope we hold our nerve and don't return to type if things aren't working out early on.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: GetOverTheBar on June 03, 2019, 09:55:57 AM
Looking forward to McShane v McGee - As Benny Harp said this will be his first proper test (against an albeit, probably waning force).

I don't think Tyrone will kick just as much on Saturday v Donegal, I can see the return of the sweeper considering that Tyrone have been leaking goals against poor enough opposition, Donegal will smell blood if they are so silly as to continue being as open.

I can understand why Donegal fans would be confident, they have played a much tougher game to date against a well drilled, if not totally likeable Fermanagh team. Tyrone would have been better coming into this one maybe on the back of the Derry game where they were given a bit of fright.

Tyrone tactics will be interesting, Donegal don't really have to change much but I think Tyrone will.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Taylor on June 03, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
Think it will be a tight game but we should just come out on top.
I really hope we dont revert to type and go defensive. Need to continue with the positive tactics and keep men up top.

Bookies have Donegal at 7/4 which is v surprising - would have them shorter than that
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Jayop on June 03, 2019, 03:58:38 PM
Looking forward to McShane v McGee - As Benny Harp said this will be his first proper test (against an albeit, probably waning force).

I don't think Tyrone will kick just as much on Saturday v Donegal, I can see the return of the sweeper considering that Tyrone have been leaking goals against poor enough opposition, Donegal will smell blood if they are so silly as to continue being as open.

I can understand why Donegal fans would be confident, they have played a much tougher game to date against a well drilled, if not totally likeable Fermanagh team. Tyrone would have been better coming into this one maybe on the back of the Derry game where they were given a bit of fright.

Tyrone tactics will be interesting, Donegal don't really have to change much but I think Tyrone will.

Aye McShane against McGee is such an interesting match up. McGee mightn't be at his peak any more but there's few players in the country that have more game know how playing in that position. McShane in fairness to him is making 4/5 runs for every ball pumped into him and that's what he'll need to keep doing against McGee to get joy of him, small bursting runs over and over are a p***k to defend and can wear a man out. Tyrone just need to make sure the quality of the ball in is right.

As for Tyrone not having a test the last day out, yeah that's true  enough but as you pointed out the management team will still have learned a lot from it thanks to Antrim getting a few handy goals and even the chance they had really early in the game. Donegal have much better runners than Antrim and Tyrone will need to seal those gaps up big time. I hope we don't go with a full time sweeper, it's a waste of a player in the modern game as you're just giving them an extra player and you sacrifice possession.  There has to be another solution, just not a full time one. Maybe have a midfielder funnel back to sweep when we lose possession.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 03, 2019, 06:05:45 PM
Think it will be a tight game but we should just come out on top.
I really hope we dont revert to type and go defensive. Need to continue with the positive tactics and keep men up top.

Bookies have Donegal at 7/4 which is v surprising - would have them shorter than that

Donegal the value bet alright.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Main Street on June 03, 2019, 11:31:46 PM
An Beal Bocht  doth overflow
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 03, 2019, 11:56:09 PM
An Beal Bocht  doth overflow

Says yer man, with the emptiest vessel, and poorest mouth, no less!  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: bigpackiechestout on June 04, 2019, 12:57:11 PM
Looking forward to McShane v McGee - As Benny Harp said this will be his first proper test (against an albeit, probably waning force).

I don't think Tyrone will kick just as much on Saturday v Donegal, I can see the return of the sweeper considering that Tyrone have been leaking goals against poor enough opposition, Donegal will smell blood if they are so silly as to continue being as open.

I can understand why Donegal fans would be confident, they have played a much tougher game to date against a well drilled, if not totally likeable Fermanagh team. Tyrone would have been better coming into this one maybe on the back of the Derry game where they were given a bit of fright.

Tyrone tactics will be interesting, Donegal don't really have to change much but I think Tyrone will.

Aye McShane against McGee is such an interesting match up. McGee mightn't be at his peak any more but there's few players in the country that have more game know how playing in that position. McShane in fairness to him is making 4/5 runs for every ball pumped into him and that's what he'll need to keep doing against McGee to get joy of him, small bursting runs over and over are a p***k to defend and can wear a man out. Tyrone just need to make sure the quality of the ball in is right.

As for Tyrone not having a test the last day out, yeah that's true  enough but as you pointed out the management team will still have learned a lot from it thanks to Antrim getting a few handy goals and even the chance they had really early in the game. Donegal have much better runners than Antrim and Tyrone will need to seal those gaps up big time. I hope we don't go with a full time sweeper, it's a waste of a player in the modern game as you're just giving them an extra player and you sacrifice possession.  There has to be another solution, just not a full time one. Maybe have a midfielder funnel back to sweep when we lose possession.

From memory, Antrim's goal chances came as a result of Tyrone pushing up man to man on every single Antrim kick-out. Tyrone won most of the kickouts, pinning Antrim in and opening up a huge lead. However on the rare occasion Antrim won the kickout, they had runners off the shoulder in behind the Tyrone midfield and half back line. Because Tyrone had pushed up with no sweeper, Antrim were then through on goal.

Constantly pushing up man to man like this is a reckless approach and one which team's rarely employ but made sense for Tyrone in this instance  because of the vast gulf between the sides.

Tyrone will not follow the same approach this Saturday because Donegal have a better and bigger midfield capable of winning their own long range kick outs, as well as being a better running team. Although I hope that they do back themselves and still push up when the circumstances permit. Hopefully in Harte's mind this will be sufficient to restrict the opposition's goal chances because I don't think any Tyrone supporters want to see the return of the full time sweeper.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fuzzman on June 04, 2019, 02:15:09 PM
I think we'll see a very different Tyrone performance and style of play in this game than we have said in the previous two games. Mickey has a habit of not showing his hand too early which often leaves fans wondering what is going on sometimes.

I fully expect CC or maybe Frank Burns playing as a full time sweeper in front of the Donegal FF line. I cannot see them leaving it man for man for any length of time.
Likewise I will say Donegal will play a man in front of McShane or Mattie if at FF and there will be lot less space to hit good ball into them as before. We've used the diagonal ball a lot in the last two games and Donegal will be wise to that.
Mickey doesn't care about entertainment or how the game looks, it's all about winning and I can see it going back to being quite like last year in Ballybofey with maybe the odd high ball delivered in to Mattie AND McShane.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: The Bearded One on June 04, 2019, 02:20:36 PM
In Ryan McHugh Donegal possess one the best players around for anticipating a 'flicked' pass from a kick-out with him heading towards the opposition goals...if we leave as much space for this to happen as we did against Antrim, we will be punished. I expect 2/3 Tyrone men behind midfield for every kick-out with a zonal press in front of that, I don't think we will push man on man. Patton has a brilliant ability to find his man, I think they had a 100% success rate against Fermanagh.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fuzzman on June 05, 2019, 11:56:55 AM
Anyone recommend any good pubs to meet up in before the game?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: FermGael on June 06, 2019, 07:04:32 PM
Folks there is a 10k on Saturday in Enniskillen at 2 p.m.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 06, 2019, 07:07:58 PM
I'd imagine Tyrone will line out pretty closely to the last day, would expect McKernan to come in for HP McGeary or Rory Brennan.

Kennedy and K McGeary look like they will be available but I'd expect both to start off the bench.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: redzone on June 06, 2019, 11:05:11 PM
The South terrace is behind the goals isn't it. Can you walk right around the terrace from there or is it closed off
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 07, 2019, 12:57:02 AM
Folks there is a 10k on Saturday in Enniskillen at 2 p.m.

That's a pain in the arse for just about everyone heading from west and south of Barnes Gap.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 07, 2019, 01:07:10 AM
In Ryan McHugh Donegal possess one the best players around for anticipating a 'flicked' pass from a kick-out with him heading towards the opposition goals...if we leave as much space for this to happen as we did against Antrim, we will be punished. I expect 2/3 Tyrone men behind midfield for every kick-out with a zonal press in front of that, I don't think we will push man on man. Patton has a brilliant ability to find his man, I think they had a 100% success rate against Fermanagh.

Would you not like to see both teams just say "f**k it" and take a chance and go for it in a shoot-out?

I hope Donegal keep three or four up the field. If they lose, so be it, but the packed defense is done.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 07, 2019, 07:20:15 AM
In Ryan McHugh Donegal possess one the best players around for anticipating a 'flicked' pass from a kick-out with him heading towards the opposition goals...if we leave as much space for this to happen as we did against Antrim, we will be punished. I expect 2/3 Tyrone men behind midfield for every kick-out with a zonal press in front of that, I don't think we will push man on man. Patton has a brilliant ability to find his man, I think they had a 100% success rate against Fermanagh.

Would you not like to see both teams just say "f**k it" and take a chance and go for it in a shoot-out?

I hope Donegal keep three or four up the field. If they lose, so be it, but the packed defense is done.

It's about striking the balance right, we've been wide open against Division 4 sides on a number of occasions so far this year. If we do the same against Donegal we will lose.

We need to plug up the gaps that have emerged at the back in those two games but I hope we continue to move the ball with the same speed, accuracy and directness that we have done in the 2 games so far.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: giveherlong on June 07, 2019, 07:34:56 AM
Any word of lineouts for both sides?

Hampsey to pick up M Murphy?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Jayop on June 07, 2019, 12:40:15 PM
Tyrone Starting  V. Donegal
 
1 N Morgan

2 P Hampsey

3 R McNamee

4 M McKernan

5 T McCann

6 B McDonnell

7 M Cassidy

8 C Cavanagh

9 R Donnelly

10 M Donnelly

11 N Sludden

12 F Burns

13 C McShane

14 P Harte

15 C McAliskey
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fuzzman on June 07, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
Delighted to see McAliskey named in FF line. I thought he looked hungry to prove himself v Antrim. The way that he won his own high ball and took his goal impressed me and was almost him saying to Mickey I can do what McShane does but can also score goals.

A little surprised Sludden and McDonnell have kept their places. The cynics amongst us would also ask would Ben be playing if he wasn't from Errigal of course. I mean I think he's done OK this year during the league but there's a lot of lads fighting to get into that team over the years like Rory Brennan for example who always seems to do well yet he seems to get left off again and again.
Sludden was a firm favourite of mine for a good few years now but he's regressed big time since last summer. It's as if he's become very one dimensional and men know he will try to burst through tackles and try to win a free (Fall over)

I wonder will we see Colm C back into his usual sweeper role on Sat or will Frank Burns or someone else play there?

Quite a few of changes from last year's AI final lineup already this year. Cassidy seems to have settled in well.

1. Niall Morgan (Clonoe)
2. Michael McKernan (Coalisland)
3. Ronan McNamee (Aghyaran)
4. Padraig Hampsey (Coalisland)
5. Tiernan McCann (Killyclogher)
10. Mattie Donnelly (Trillick)
18. Rory Brennan (Trillick)
8. Colm Cavanagh (Moy)
9. Cathal McShane (Eoghan Ruadh)
12. Kieran McGeary (Pomeroy)
11. Niall Sludden (Dromore)
7. Peter Harte (Errigal Ciaran)
13. Mark Bradley (Killyclogher)
25. Conor Meyler (Omagh)
15. Connor McAliskey (Clonoe)
Subs
17. Lee Brennan (Trillick) for Meyler (39)
6. Frank Burns (Pomeroy) for Sludden (46)
14. Richard Donnelly (Trillick) for McAliskey (49)
20. Harry Loughran (Moy) for McGeary (black card) (49)
22. Declan McClure (Clonoe) for McShane (55)
26. Ronan O’Neill (Omagh) for Bradley (64)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 07, 2019, 05:01:15 PM
What like 11 same starters from last years All Ireland final? and changes were needed after the manner of that final defeat. Looks like Tyrone's game to lose tomorrow, Donegal under Bonner still doesn't convince me, one of those managers that has this care free attitude about his teams defensive responsibilities, shipped 2-17 at home to Tyrone last August and any team that don't defend well against Tyrone are normally well beaten.

 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 07, 2019, 08:48:07 PM
I see bonner trying to put pressure on the ref about protecting his players. That’s a few times he’s tried that one: Could see through it if Donegal where squeaky clean.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 07, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
I see bonner trying to put pressure on the ref about protecting his players. That’s a few times he’s tried that one: Could see through it if Donegal where squeaky clean.

What did he say?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Main Street on June 07, 2019, 11:10:57 PM
I see bonner trying to put pressure on the ref about protecting his players. That’s a few times he’s tried that one: Could see through it if Donegal where squeaky clean.

What did he say?
He said he fully expects the referee is up to the standard required for such a game. 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 07, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
I see bonner trying to put pressure on the ref about protecting his players. That’s a few times he’s tried that one: Could see through it if Donegal where squeaky clean.

What did he say?
He said he fully expects the referee is up to the standard required for such a game.

Controversial stuff.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: ck on June 07, 2019, 11:43:17 PM
The appointment of Gough for this game is a big plus for Donegal. Has been very favourable to them in the past.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 08, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
The appointment of Gough for this game is a big plus for Donegal. Has been very favourable to them in the past.

Such as when...?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 08, 2019, 04:52:17 PM
Niall O’Donnell and Eoin McHugh in for Donegal. Presumably Leo back to CB. But that is not a line up set up for blanket defense.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: joemamas on June 08, 2019, 05:03:15 PM
Marty Morrissey already doing his best to ruin game
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: hardstation on June 08, 2019, 05:07:15 PM
Tyrone saft up the middle again.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: GJL on June 08, 2019, 05:17:51 PM
Black card was ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Armagh18 on June 08, 2019, 05:18:58 PM
I see bonner trying to put pressure on the ref about protecting his players. That’s a few times he’s tried that one: Could see through it if Donegal where squeaky clean.

What did he say?
He said he fully expects the referee is up to the standard required for such a game.
That idiot clearly isn’t. Always has to be centre of attention no call for that black card ffs
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2019, 05:20:53 PM
Black card was ridiculous.
Last player Tyrone needed to lose was Peter Harte. Donegal 1-3 Tyrone 0-4 after 17 mins.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: lenny on June 08, 2019, 05:21:59 PM
Black card was ridiculous.

Harsh but definitely a foot trip so by the letter of the law ref was correct.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: hardstation on June 08, 2019, 05:27:03 PM
Black card was ridiculous.

Harsh but definitely a foot trip so by the letter of the law ref was correct.
Needs to be a deliberate trip to be a black card. I don’t think it was deliberate.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 08, 2019, 05:32:25 PM
Black card was ridiculous.

Harsh but definitely a foot trip so by the letter of the law ref was correct.
Needs to be a deliberate trip to be a black card. I don’t think it was deliberate.

Agreed. Dunno how he could say for sure that was deliberate
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 08, 2019, 05:33:15 PM
Black card was a shocking decision.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: twohands!!! on June 08, 2019, 05:34:59 PM
Black card was ridiculous.

Harsh but definitely a foot trip so by the letter of the law ref was correct.
Needs to be a deliberate trip to be a black card. I don’t think it was deliberate.

Not remotely harsh - he led with the foot it was 100% deliberate - Tyrone and Harte can have zero complaints.
Rancid stupidity/laziness by Harte.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 08, 2019, 05:42:57 PM
Black card was merited.

Donegal flowing well. Tyrone struggling to stay in this.

Wind could be a big factor.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 08, 2019, 05:43:43 PM
Tyrone shocking.

How strong is that breeze though?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2019, 05:44:16 PM
HT Donegal 1-9 Tyrone 0-5. Loads of goal chances not taken in this game.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: armaghniac on June 08, 2019, 05:46:05 PM
Tyrone shocking.

How strong is that breeze though?

surely, Tyrone had the breeze if anything?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: yellowcard on June 08, 2019, 05:46:17 PM
Donegal giving an exhibition of forward play and off the ball movement in that first half, Tyrone have been shocking on the other hand.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Sportacus on June 08, 2019, 05:48:51 PM
There’ll be some flicking through the Systems Manual at half time in the Tyrone dressing room.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 08, 2019, 05:50:06 PM
Fair play to Donegal have Tyrone on the ropes and need to land that knock out blow 2nd half now.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: From the Bunker on June 08, 2019, 05:51:51 PM
In fairness, Tyrone are still evolving from being a total blanket defence team. This does not happen over night. Harte will need at least another year to fine tune this group.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 08, 2019, 05:56:37 PM
Fair play to Donegal have Tyrone on the ropes and need to land that knock out blow 2nd half now.

Yep, a goal for Tyrone, or even two or three unanswered points, and they’re back in it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 08, 2019, 06:07:17 PM
Mccann up to no good. Not nice.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Schkite on June 08, 2019, 06:07:48 PM
Trampish act by McCann there
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 08, 2019, 06:08:02 PM
WTF was that?

Boot on the neck too for good measure.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: armaghniac on June 08, 2019, 06:08:20 PM
Tyrone "sportmanship"
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyCake on June 08, 2019, 06:09:11 PM
McCann should get a year ban for that. Disgusting.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: HiMucker on June 08, 2019, 06:09:15 PM
What a sc**bag. What sort of ban will be handed out for that....
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: moysider on June 08, 2019, 06:09:25 PM
He won’t get away with that.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 08, 2019, 06:09:45 PM
Horrible
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Schkite on June 08, 2019, 06:11:01 PM
WTF was that?

Boot on the neck too for good measure.

They didn't even mention that part on commentary, and McStay was nearly giving him a pass until he sees more, as if it wasn't clear enough.

sc**bag move all round.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: yellowcard on June 08, 2019, 06:11:27 PM
McHugh having some game again.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: twohands!!! on June 08, 2019, 06:13:17 PM
What a sc**bag. What sort of ban will be handed out for that....

1 match ban - The authorities have shown zero appetitie to tackle sc**bag behaviour

Woeful effort by Thompson there with the goal chance - blasted straight at the keeper when he had the whole goal open to work with.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Beffs on June 08, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
But he's not that kind of player, there was no malice in it, it was just handbags, sure I've seen far worse in club games blah blah blah...

No doubt the whataboutery merchants and apologists will be along soon.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Sportacus on June 08, 2019, 06:16:44 PM
The lowest act on a football pitch.  Terrible from a player who kids look up to.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: HiMucker on June 08, 2019, 06:20:11 PM
Ha justice. Good enough for him
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Schkite on June 08, 2019, 06:20:52 PM
But he's not that kind of player, there was no malice in it, it was just handbags, sure I've seen far worse in club games blah blah blah...

No doubt the whataboutery merchants and apologists will be along soon.

McStay was already making apologies for him as they were watching the replays. Wish this lads would say it as they see it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Rudi on June 08, 2019, 06:20:58 PM
Horrible act, Tyrone pure scutter this evening.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2019, 06:22:37 PM
Donegal 1-13 Tyrone 0-10. Donegal keeping Tyrone at arms length thus far in this half.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2019, 06:28:03 PM
Patrick McBrearty has really stepped up in this 2nd half. Donegal 1-14 Tyrone 0-11 the latest.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: yellowcard on June 08, 2019, 06:29:10 PM
Harte is a genius for getting that team to an AI final last year.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: clarshack on June 08, 2019, 06:29:51 PM
The Tyrone players are miles off the pace.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 08, 2019, 06:31:57 PM
I don’t think they are as bad as this performance.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: moysider on June 08, 2019, 06:33:25 PM
I wouldn’t like to be the fella that convinced Mickey to ditch the blanket.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Solo_run on June 08, 2019, 06:34:44 PM
6mins additional?  :o
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 08, 2019, 06:38:14 PM
Mccann injury plus the one he caused.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: From the Bunker on June 08, 2019, 06:38:26 PM
Harte is a genius for getting that team to an AI final last year.

You think? There is a plethora of average teams in the chasing bunch! Donegal, Mayo, Galway, Monaghan, Kerry are no Dublin beaters!
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: hardstation on June 08, 2019, 06:40:47 PM
Egg on some Tyrone faces in this thread. They were deluded thinking they were well ahead of Donegal last year when clearly they weren’t. They believe they beat them “comfortably” despite trailing for 62 minutes.
This might wake them up as this is a comfortable win.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 08, 2019, 06:41:56 PM
Egg on some Tyrone faces in this thread. They were deluded thinking they were well ahead of Donegal last year when clearly they weren’t. They believe they beat them “comfortably” despite trailing for 62 minutes.
This might wake them up as this is a comfortable win.

Yep.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 08, 2019, 06:42:18 PM
That was satisfying. :)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2019, 06:42:25 PM
Full time Donegal 1-16 Tyrone 0-15. A great win Donegal. They now have a chance to win two in a row Ulster titles for the first time since 2012.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: armaghniac on June 08, 2019, 06:43:30 PM
Full time Donegal 1-16 Tyrone 0-15. A great win Donegal. They now have a chance to win two in a row Ulster titles for the first time since 2012.

and they haven't played Cavan in a final since 1983.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 08, 2019, 06:44:05 PM
Donegal basically won that game by half time. Most impressive thing was how well Donegal controlled that 2nd half. Those Tyrone supporters that walked out early looked shell shocked.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: An Watcher on June 08, 2019, 06:46:04 PM
Stick with the blanket and comfortably win ulster every year then suffer against the dubs or abandon the blanket, struggle in ulster and then be more able to compete against the dubs.
Happy enough to abandon the blanket
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 08, 2019, 06:46:22 PM
Murphy ran the show. Excellent display by Ciaran Thompson off the bench, his missed goal chance aside. Hugh McFadden and Jamie Brennan outstanding too. Patton has learned the goal keeper contact lens trick from Tony Blake I see! :D

I guess we are not as far off Tyrone as we thought!

Need to get back down to earth and get the attitude right going into the final as favourites.

Only criticism is we got a bit sloppy at the end.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 06:49:39 PM
In Ryan McHugh Donegal possess one the best players around for anticipating a 'flicked' pass from a kick-out with him heading towards the opposition goals...if we leave as much space for this to happen as we did against Antrim, we will be punished. I expect 2/3 Tyrone men behind midfield for every kick-out with a zonal press in front of that, I don't think we will push man on man. Patton has a brilliant ability to find his man, I think they had a 100% success rate against Fermanagh.

Would you not like to see both teams just say "f**k it" and take a chance and go for it in a shoot-out?

I hope Donegal keep three or four up the field. If they lose, so be it, but the packed defense is done.

It's about striking the balance right, we've been wide open against Division 4 sides on a number of occasions so far this year. If we do the same against Donegal we will lose.

We need to plug up the gaps that have emerged at the back in those two games but I hope we continue to move the ball with the same speed, accuracy and directness that we have done in the 2 games so far.

This was my worry and Harte got it badly wrong. All the experts have been telling Tyrone what they've been doing wrong for years now and today is probably proof if it was needed that there was merit to the way they have played in the past few years. Time and time again we were wide open through the middle, bar Rory Brennan and Hampsey we don't have good solid defenders who can stick to a man.

Other than that it was an aberration of a performance and the 4 point gap flattered us. We picked a big physical side with plenty of height around the team but were utterly destroyed in the air around the middle of the pitch. Patton's kickouts were immense.

The Harte black card was a joke of a decision and Gough rode us in the first half but it wasn't a factor in the result.

Tiernan McCann should get a ban for that, no need for it and the GAA should be changing the rules and giving 3 or 4 games bans for that kind of action as a deterrent. It's very hard to spot in a game so unlikely to get punished there and then and it will only be retrospectively it will be punished with a rather measly one game ban.

McHugh does an awful lot of diving though and Gough bought it all day long.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Whishtup on June 08, 2019, 06:56:04 PM
Harte a huge loss, worth 5-6 points in most games and a goal getter.  Even Antrim game would not have been as comfortable without him.  Always thought Donegal forwards would have too much firepower for porous Tyrone defence.  One of those days when everything looks wrong-all hanpasses looped, kicking at the wrong time, kicking it out over the sideline,etc., stupid stuff by McCann.  Brian Kennedy played in weird position.    The sort of game the players need to black out but the manager needs to watch every day and learn.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 08, 2019, 07:05:07 PM
In Ryan McHugh Donegal possess one the best players around for anticipating a 'flicked' pass from a kick-out with him heading towards the opposition goals...if we leave as much space for this to happen as we did against Antrim, we will be punished. I expect 2/3 Tyrone men behind midfield for every kick-out with a zonal press in front of that, I don't think we will push man on man. Patton has a brilliant ability to find his man, I think they had a 100% success rate against Fermanagh.

Would you not like to see both teams just say "f**k it" and take a chance and go for it in a shoot-out?

I hope Donegal keep three or four up the field. If they lose, so be it, but the packed defense is done.

It's about striking the balance right, we've been wide open against Division 4 sides on a number of occasions so far this year. If we do the same against Donegal we will lose.

We need to plug up the gaps that have emerged at the back in those two games but I hope we continue to move the ball with the same speed, accuracy and directness that we have done in the 2 games so far.

This was my worry and Harte got it badly wrong. All the experts have been telling Tyrone what they've been doing wrong for years now and today is probably proof if it was needed that there was merit to the way they have played in the past few years. Time and time again we were wide open through the middle, bar Rory Brennan and Hampsey we don't have good solid defenders who can stick to a man.

Other than that it was an aberration of a performance and the 4 point gap flattered us. We picked a big physical side with plenty of height around the team but were utterly destroyed in the air around the middle of the pitch. Patton's kickouts were immense.

The Harte black card was a joke of a decision and Gough rode us in the first half but it wasn't a factor in the result.

Tiernan McCann should get a ban for that, no need for it and the GAA should be changing the rules and giving 3 or 4 games bans for that kind of action as a deterrent. It's very hard to spot in a game so unlikely to get punished there and then and it will only be retrospectively it will be punished with a rather measly one game ban.

McHugh does an awful lot of diving though and Gough bought it all day long.
Agree with that re: mccann, deserves a ban. Similar to what mcmahon got away with a few e years ago,  but that sort of thing needs to be clamped down on at some stage.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: screenexile on June 08, 2019, 07:05:27 PM
Egg on some Tyrone faces in this thread. They were deluded thinking they were well ahead of Donegal last year when clearly they weren’t. They believe they beat them “comfortably” despite trailing for 62 minutes.
This might wake them up as this is a comfortable win.

Yeah and now it’s the tactics fault!!  ::)  ::)

Out muscled and out played!
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyroneman on June 08, 2019, 07:06:55 PM
A very very poor game by Tyrone. Lot of unforced errors and played right into Donegal hands. That said if 1 of the 3 clear goal chances had went in......more of a sweat at least.

Blanket for Ulster....throw it off for the rest....hard to train for.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: blewuporstuffed on June 08, 2019, 07:09:29 PM
Black card was ridiculous.

Harsh but definitely a foot trip so by the letter of the law ref was correct.
Needs to be a deliberate trip to be a black card. I don’t think it was deliberate.

Not remotely harsh - he led with the foot it was 100% deliberate - Tyrone and Harte can have zero complaints.
Rancid stupidity/laziness by Harte.
Such nonsense.
No way in hell that should have been a black card.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:11:49 PM
In Ryan McHugh Donegal possess one the best players around for anticipating a 'flicked' pass from a kick-out with him heading towards the opposition goals...if we leave as much space for this to happen as we did against Antrim, we will be punished. I expect 2/3 Tyrone men behind midfield for every kick-out with a zonal press in front of that, I don't think we will push man on man. Patton has a brilliant ability to find his man, I think they had a 100% success rate against Fermanagh.


Would you not like to see both teams just say "f**k it" and take a chance and go for it in a shoot-out?

I hope Donegal keep three or four up the field. If they lose, so be it, but the packed defense is done.

It's about striking the balance right, we've been wide open against Division 4 sides on a number of occasions so far this year. If we do the same against Donegal we will lose.

We need to plug up the gaps that have emerged at the back in those two games but I hope we continue to move the ball with the same speed, accuracy and directness that we have done in the 2 games so far.

This was my worry and Harte got it badly wrong. All the experts have been telling Tyrone what they've been doing wrong for years now and today is probably proof if it was needed that there was merit to the way they have played in the past few years. Time and time again we were wide open through the middle, bar Rory Brennan and Hampsey we don't have good solid defenders who can stick to a man.

Other than that it was an aberration of a performance and the 4 point gap flattered us. We picked a big physical side with plenty of height around the team but were utterly destroyed in the air around the middle of the pitch. Patton's kickouts were immense.

The Harte black card was a joke of a decision and Gough rode us in the first half but it wasn't a factor in the result.

Tiernan McCann should get a ban for that, no need for it and the GAA should be changing the rules and giving 3 or 4 games bans for that kind of action as a deterrent. It's very hard to spot in a game so unlikely to get punished there and then and it will only be retrospectively it will be punished with a rather measly one game ban.

McHugh does an awful lot of diving though and Gough bought it all day long.
Agree with that re: mccann, deserves a ban. Similar to what mcmahon got away with a few e years ago,  but that sort of thing needs to be clamped down on at some stage.

The Roscommon lad that did Higgins in the eye, which was an even more dangerous action, got a 1 game ban this year. What sort of deterrent is that?

Discipline in the GAA is for the dogs, every team has players that will go out there and commit nasty and dangerous actions that seriously endanger their opponents. They will carry out these acts because the consequences are farcical. An one game ban.

If the rules were correct that would be a season ending ban but the precedent is a 1 game ban and that's all they can realistically give him until such time as the GAA get serious about it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 07:14:02 PM
Black card was ridiculous.

Harsh but definitely a foot trip so by the letter of the law ref was correct.
Needs to be a deliberate trip to be a black card. I don’t think it was deliberate.

Not remotely harsh - he led with the foot it was 100% deliberate - Tyrone and Harte can have zero complaints.
Rancid stupidity/laziness by Harte.
Such nonsense.
No way in hell that should have been a black card.

It was an olympic quality dive from McHugh. Considering some of the tackles Gough let go in the first half without even a booking of talking to, it's unbelievable he gave Harte a black card that early in. A sensible referee will know that unless you are certain you can't make big decisions like that. Gough likes to make big decisions though, he got it badly wrong.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 08, 2019, 07:19:31 PM
The worst dive in the game was by Cathay mcshane.

Definitely wasn’t a black card though.  How much of an impact it had on the game I am not sure.

Gough had a poor enough game all in all.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 08, 2019, 07:21:19 PM
Just poor all round by Tyrone today. The pre-match changes just didn’t work and we never even looked like we were able to figure out a relatively straight forward kick out strategy. Hartes black card was harsh and it seemed to deflate the team.

As I suspected earlier in the week, we abandoned our game plan at the first sign of trouble. McShane caused problems when we managed to get the ball into him. I’d rather we gave a long ball in and let him battle for it, maybe winning 60-70%  of balls close to their goal, than faff around midfield and lose it there 90% of the time.

Tiernan McCann needs to have a long hard look at himself. That sort of behaviour has no place in the game and he fully deserves whatever punishment comes his way. He has been poor this season so he needs to use his suspension to focus on his game.

Fair play to Donegal, I never thought they were the outsiders that many suggested. 7/4 was a gift to those who backed them. They have a lot of pace, have good scoring forwards and a true leader in Murphy. They’ll be difficult to beat.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: armaghniac on June 08, 2019, 07:32:19 PM
Need to get back down to earth and get the attitude right going into the final as favourites.

You'll walk the final, you only have to turn up. Go off and have a few drinks.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: balladmaker on June 08, 2019, 07:47:01 PM
Need to get back down to earth and get the attitude right going into the final as favourites.

You'll walk the final, you only have to turn up. Go off and have a few drinks.

Exactly, Donegal should go on the rip and enjoy that win today.  Nothing to be concerned about in the final no matter who comes through on Sunday.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Sportacus on June 08, 2019, 07:50:35 PM
Oh be Jaysus, they’re calling for the return of the mass defence already on the Tyrone thread.  Panic has set in.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 08, 2019, 07:53:27 PM
Oh be Jaysus, they’re calling for the return of the mass defence already on the Tyrone thread.  Panic has set in.

Aye, one poster. Pure panic!  ::)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: rodney trotter on June 08, 2019, 08:02:27 PM
Jamie Brennan is class to watch. He would even more damage playing inside
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: WT4E on June 08, 2019, 08:08:27 PM
Mickey got it wrong today big time.

Cassidy should have started.
When we needed someone to turn the game out comes aidan mcrory. Ffs
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: yellowcard on June 08, 2019, 08:10:26 PM
Harte has had his critics but that defeat today had nothing to do with Harte but rather it simply laid bare the lack of quality in that Tyrone squad. They were deficient in the basic skills of the game and had run out of ideas before half time. The score line completely flattered them.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: straightred on June 08, 2019, 08:10:29 PM
Just poor all round by Tyrone today. The pre-match changes just didn’t work and we never even looked like we were able to figure out a relatively straight forward kick out strategy. Hartes black card was harsh and it seemed to deflate the team.

As I suspected earlier in the week, we abandoned our game plan at the first sign of trouble. McShane caused problems when we managed to get the ball into him. I’d rather we gave a long ball in and let him battle for it, maybe winning 60-70%  of balls close to their goal, than faff around midfield and lose it there 90% of the time.

Tiernan McCann needs to have a long hard look at himself. That sort of behaviour has no place in the game and he fully deserves whatever punishment comes his way. He has been poor this season so he needs to use his suspension to focus on his game.

Fair play to Donegal, I never thought they were the outsiders that many suggested. 7/4 was a gift to those who backed them. They have a lot of pace, have good scoring forwards and a true leader in Murphy. They’ll be difficult to beat.
It was a gouge and then a stamp. Shouldn't play again this summer. That might sort him out
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: giveballaghback on June 08, 2019, 08:13:20 PM
Tyrone lads complaining about diving, my mama told me they'd be days like this.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 08:18:35 PM
Harte has had his critics but that defeat today had nothing to do with Harte but rather it simply laid bare the lack of quality in that Tyrone squad. They were deficient in the basic skills of the game and had run out of ideas before half time. The score line completely flattered them.
nothing to do with harte? Too many unforced changes before the game and totally outwitted by Bonner and Rochford during it. Harte doesn't have Tony Donnelly to tell him what to do any more.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Under Lights on June 08, 2019, 08:26:36 PM
How did Liam Rafferty jump so far up the pecking order. Ruairi Brennan harshly dropped today. Cassidy too.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 08:36:54 PM
Just poor all round by Tyrone today. The pre-match changes just didn’t work and we never even looked like we were able to figure out a relatively straight forward kick out strategy. Hartes black card was harsh and it seemed to deflate the team.

As I suspected earlier in the week, we abandoned our game plan at the first sign of trouble. McShane caused problems when we managed to get the ball into him. I’d rather we gave a long ball in and let him battle for it, maybe winning 60-70%  of balls close to their goal, than faff around midfield and lose it there 90% of the time.

Tiernan McCann needs to have a long hard look at himself. That sort of behaviour has no place in the game and he fully deserves whatever punishment comes his way. He has been poor this season so he needs to use his suspension to focus on his game.

Fair play to Donegal, I never thought they were the outsiders that many suggested. 7/4 was a gift to those who backed them. They have a lot of pace, have good scoring forwards and a true leader in Murphy. They’ll be difficult to beat.
It was a gouge and then a stamp. Shouldn't play again this summer. That might sort him out

He should be but precedent says he gets a 1 game ban. The GAA need to start clamping down hard on this from next year. 4/5/6 game bans need to be introduced for violent and dangerous acts like McCann today.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: TabClear on June 08, 2019, 08:43:01 PM
An exhibition from Donegal in kick outs which have become so crucial in the modern game. Gave them so much good possession. Tyrone were poor all over the pitch but much of it was sloppiness rather than being outclassed.

As for McCann, if he didn’t kick a ball all year again for us I wouldn’t mind. Trampish action that should be cut out of the game. One game ban is a joke
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: southtyronegael on June 08, 2019, 08:44:28 PM
How did Liam Rafferty jump so far up the pecking order. Ruairi Brennan harshly dropped today. Cassidy too.
Ben Mc Donnell too
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Rossfan on June 08, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Serious Donegal performance in the first half.
Probably 8 points the better team overall.
Poor enough attendance 13,579.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Under Lights on June 08, 2019, 09:13:01 PM
How did Liam Rafferty jump so far up the pecking order. Ruairi Brennan harshly dropped today. Cassidy too.
Ben Mc Donnell too

Ben McDonnell started the last game tbf and played quite well in it until he was black carded.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tbrick18 on June 08, 2019, 09:14:56 PM
Donegal better than people gave them credit for.
Tyrone are not as good as they get credit for
Swarm defence has worked for Tyrone in recent times as it covers for the areas where the team lacks. There's no real leader on that team and with the exception of mcshane and harte, they don't have stand out players.
Credit to them for getting to a final last year, but it was an over achievement. Thay are not a bad side by any means, but they are not close to Dublin. Harte is still too loyal to the old guard. Colm cavanagh is past it, was exposed against Dublin last year and if anything has gone backwards. Bound to be demoralising for the bench to see him starting.

Donegal on the otherhand have pace, power and stand out players all over the pitch. Murphy was immense. Mchugh, mnellis, the keeper, mcbrearty... Leaders and exceptional talent. They also have their tactics 100%, though I hate to see that organised fouling they were at in their forward line in the first half.

Mccann should be ashamed of himself. He has form too. Any decent manager would condemn his own player for that. Dangerous, thuggish and trampish. No place for it in sport or anywhere else. Deserves a year, will prob get a game



Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trailer on June 08, 2019, 09:31:43 PM
Completely Harte's fault. Game was lost before the throw in. All the changes, showed he didn't know his best team and probably a lack of faith. While he may have won 3 AIs there can be no doubt he is costing us now. He's failed to develop talented footballers. A lot are opting out. Ill disciplined. Negative football. Every game he stays on, is deterring from his legacy.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 08, 2019, 09:41:47 PM
Congrats Donegal, deserved victors on the day, who had the skill to execute the drill, to a 'T'.

As for ourselves, I cannot convince myself that those starting 15 were were not picked to lose, like the Qualifiers was a preferred option.

Regarding the man-in-the-middle -- another fairly forgettable and erratic display overall.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on June 08, 2019, 10:02:14 PM
Completely Harte's fault. Game was lost before the throw in. All the changes, showed he didn't know his best team and probably a lack of faith. While he may have won 3 AIs there can be no doubt he is costing us now. He's failed to develop talented footballers. A lot are opting out. Ill disciplined. Negative football. Every game he stays on, is deterring from his legacy.

Basically this. He has made such a mess of this current side. Initially went with the hugely defensive system which had already been exposed at the highest level by that point. Stuck with it too long before trying to change mid Championship last summer, leading to ridiculous situation of going all out attack against the Dubs in AI final after 2 and half years of mass defense. But at least there was some hope of a more balanced style of play moving forward. Instead there has been another jump to landing high balls on McShane and Mattie. That team today looked lost and confused and that's all down to the management. It's a real shame given what Mickey has done for Tyrone but he should have left the job years ago.

No defence for Tiernan McCann. Absolute stupidity and not for the first time.

Good luck to Donegal, played some good football and a team clearly comfortable with their game plan. Should have won by more.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 08, 2019, 10:02:20 PM
Stick with the blanket and comfortably win ulster every year then suffer against the dubs or abandon the blanket, struggle in ulster and then be more able to compete against the dubs.
Happy enough to abandon the blanket

Win Ulster comfortable every year? Like last year......
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: SkillfulBill on June 08, 2019, 10:23:36 PM
Harte has had his critics but that defeat today had nothing to do with Harte but rather it simply laid bare the lack of quality in that Tyrone squad. They were deficient in the basic skills of the game and had run out of ideas before half time. The score line completely flattered them.

What sort of deluded post is this..... How can anyone watch that today and concluded that this had nothing to do with the man that has been in charge of the team since 2003. . no doubt you believe that all Ireland wins where all Mickey but any defeat had nothing to do with him ..  Catch a f.....g grip and catch yourself on. Mickey Harte has been a beaten docket for years now and today was just another example of his lack of ability.  Tyrone will continue to promise at the highest level but will continue to fail due to the lack of managerial ability they are now the Cork of the North....This is a tough post I have been following Tyrone through thick and thin for near on 50 years now but over the last 10 years it has been really difficult due to the family take over that Tyrone has been subjected too..... Roll on the post Harte era....Tyrone Defenders no.longer can play one on one and all natural forwards have been eliminated from Tyrone panels over the past 10 tears (that is not a miss print)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: From the Bunker on June 08, 2019, 10:55:52 PM
Just wondering - Will this put a dent in the support of Tyrone? Today was not a hammering on the scoreboard. But it was a lesson on being controlled on the playing field.

Will there be big a drop off in support?

I know in Mayo. The fans are pure daft and will support Mayo in huge numbers in the back door.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: clarshack on June 08, 2019, 11:02:48 PM
Probably depends on who we draw tbh. Derry, Monaghan or Fermanagh would still get the Tyrone support out in the next round. Unlikely with the rest of the teams. Mayo v Tyrone in Castlebar in the round after that would be some game.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Dire Ear on June 08, 2019, 11:05:41 PM
Serious Donegal performance in the first half.
Probably 8 points the better team overall.
Poor enough attendance 13,579.
That’s an odd number if I ever saw one
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: ONeill on June 08, 2019, 11:20:09 PM
Unless Colm is manning the square, we have fcuk all defensively.

Although, McNamee did a decent job on McBrearty.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 08, 2019, 11:22:33 PM


Although, McNamee did a decent job on McBrearty.

Yes to be fair to McNamee, McBrearty was very quiet.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: In hiding on June 08, 2019, 11:26:47 PM
Today was poor alright.
Richie Donnelly after a good couple of games had one he'd rather forget. Mattie was ineffective, colm cavanagh after 5 or 6 excellent years is nearing the end.
There were some positives though, Mc Geary is a leader, in the second half when we pushed up on their kickouts we showed a bit more fight. Mc Shane will be a good full forward.
Some people are saying Tyrone can't beat the top teams playing man to man. We couldn't beat them playing with a blanket ffs.
Be brave Mickey (not that you'll be reading this), stick with the way we tried to play in the second half, it's not gonna be perfect against the first quality team you play.
And in Eoin ban Gallagher, Ryan Mc Hugh, Jamie Brennan and a few others, Donegal have real quality
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: ONeill on June 08, 2019, 11:33:17 PM
Who marks Brennan?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: dublin7 on June 08, 2019, 11:36:08 PM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 08, 2019, 11:41:13 PM
Depressing stuff today. Don’t have the will or the want to start dissecting it all.
Couple of main points,

McCann deserves a lengthy ban but won’t get it.
Thought the Harte BC looked harsh (and the mixed support around me felt the same) but will wait to see the reply on tv.
Donegal keeper was fantastic with kick outs. But Donegal were showing much better than Tyrone and made it easier.
McCurry looked strong when he came on.
Cavanagh can’t play as an orthodox MF. Legs are gone and was left chasing shadows.
Our tackling is terrible and we are not in a position to play without a sweeper. The amount of mistimed lazy shoulders/ high tackles was crazy.

Poor day at the office. But fair play Donegal, strong performance. And fans really seemed to enjoy it. Tyrone badly outnumbered.
Things aren’t as bad as they’ll be made out in the next few days. Overreactions are the usual order of the day after a defeat. Mickey got a lot of work to do if we’re to make it to the S8’s. but still expect to be there. (Maybe that’s being optimistic but someone has to be!!)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Look-Up! on June 09, 2019, 12:24:09 AM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.   
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: moysider on June 09, 2019, 01:24:17 AM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.

I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: moysider on June 09, 2019, 01:31:49 AM
Probably depends on who we draw tbh. Derry, Monaghan or Fermanagh would still get the Tyrone support out in the next round. Unlikely with the rest of the teams. Mayo v Tyrone in Castlebar in the round after that would be some game.

Ah yes. Mayo in Castlebar. Of course Mayo are the team that can make the opposition feel good again about themselves after a hard fall. Mayo always give a team a slingshot back into things and after the Roscommon disaster, I cant see things changing now. Tyrone today were better than Mayo were against Roscommon - obviously. 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 09, 2019, 08:36:02 AM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: clarshack on June 09, 2019, 09:01:45 AM
What minute was the McCann incident? Have it recorded so want to judge it myself.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: David McKeown on June 09, 2019, 09:15:55 AM
Whilst the McCann incident was disgraceful and I’m not downplaying the first part of it, I don’t think he deliberately stamped on his opponents neck. He deserves a lengthy ban for having his fingers in the Donegal players mouth but after that I genuinely think he was pushed and lost his balance rather than he tried to stamp.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 09, 2019, 09:20:29 AM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.

Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Hound on June 09, 2019, 09:25:24 AM
What minute was the McCann incident? Have it recorded so want to judge it myself.
About 43m
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: oakleaf93 on June 09, 2019, 09:29:44 AM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.

Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.
Attempting to defend or deflect from what McCann did yesterday is poor form
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyCake on June 09, 2019, 09:36:02 AM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.

Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.

I’m baffled as to why you’d watch that Brolly gobshite when you had better analysts on The Championship.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2019, 09:40:31 AM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.

Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.
Attempting to defend or deflect from what McCann did yesterday is poor form

The holier than thou brigade out in full force today. Quick to jump down the throat of anyone not prepared to send McCann to the gallows. EVERY Tyrone poster has condemned McCann but it is reasonable to argue that he may have not intended his stamp (slow motion can often be misleading) and it is reasonable to argue that he put his fingers in the other players mouth rather than the narrative which has circulated on social media, that it was an eye gouge and it’s also reasonable to argue that, just maybe, he shouldn’t be banned from the GAA for the rest of his life. Yes it was a stupid, despicable act for which I hope he gets banned, but any sort of argument to the contrary of stringing him up for a public execution is not just poor form.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: oakleaf93 on June 09, 2019, 09:44:08 AM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.

Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.
Attempting to defend or deflect from what McCann did yesterday is poor form

The holier than thou brigade out in full force today. Quick to jump down the throat of anyone not prepared to send McCann to the gallows. EVERY Tyrone poster has condemned McCann but it is reasonable to argue that he may have not intended his stamp (slow motion can often be misleading) and it is reasonable to argue that he put his fingers in the other players mouth rather than the narrative which has circulated on social media, that it was an eye gouge and it’s also reasonable to argue that, just maybe, he shouldn’t be banned from the GAA for the rest of his life. Yes it was a stupid, despicable act for which I hope he gets banned, but any sort of argument to the contrary of stringing him up for a public execution is not just poor form.
The previous poster in no way condemned McCann and went as far to insinuate the CCCC would open a case on McCann because of the Sunday game analysts alone.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 09, 2019, 09:48:06 AM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.

Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.
Attempting to defend or deflect from what McCann did yesterday is poor form

Not surprising but also virtually a lone voice among Tyrone posters able to recognise and accept the sheer savagery of the actions.

Not just Brolly condemning it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/48570866  (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/gaelic-games/48570866)

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1137406054155862016/pu/pl/puI_YKLe3Mc4B7xM.m3u8?tag=10 (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1137406054155862016/pu/pl/puI_YKLe3Mc4B7xM.m3u8?tag=10)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2019, 10:14:44 AM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.

Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.
Attempting to defend or deflect from what McCann did yesterday is poor form

The holier than thou brigade out in full force today. Quick to jump down the throat of anyone not prepared to send McCann to the gallows. EVERY Tyrone poster has condemned McCann but it is reasonable to argue that he may have not intended his stamp (slow motion can often be misleading) and it is reasonable to argue that he put his fingers in the other players mouth rather than the narrative which has circulated on social media, that it was an eye gouge and it’s also reasonable to argue that, just maybe, he shouldn’t be banned from the GAA for the rest of his life. Yes it was a stupid, despicable act for which I hope he gets banned, but any sort of argument to the contrary of stringing him up for a public execution is not just poor form.
The previous poster in no way condemned McCann and went as far to insinuate the CCCC would open a case on McCann because of the Sunday game analysts alone.

Well they have form there to be fair. And made a pigs ear of it. Which is why he’ll rightly get a one game ban (Although it should deserve more, same as previous incidents)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 09, 2019, 10:30:38 AM
Hands in mouth, no stamp (more of a stumble). The guy seems to be a bit of an idiot but I would hope he wouldn't be stamping on a fellow player.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: rrhf on June 09, 2019, 10:30:51 AM
Tyrone were awful yesterday and fair play to Donegal. I felt donegal were streetwise as hell and tyrone entered that game either with a dressing room problem or something else..late changes discipline etc had all the hallmarks of a non focussed camp...When reactions to the cynical Donegal performance go to these places,,, and a Potentially sickening subsequent off the ball incident that may have left Mc Cann badly injured..then it is time to take a step back and evaluate where we are going.. Not worth that and something you would not want to see in our games from Both teams....It’s indefensible and I haven’t seen the incident yet where it’s suggested his Achilles could have been targetted in an off the ball incident then he’s already suffering and his career could be over...
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Hound on June 09, 2019, 10:39:24 AM
Hands in mouth, no stamp (more of a stumble). The guy seems to be a bit of an idiot but I would hope he wouldn't be stamping on a fellow player.
Yeah, I’d definitely give him the benefit of the doubt re the stamp. Sure McHugh kicked him and then stamped on him too! I think we can put all that down to accidents!

It’s  the hand on the face where the issue is. The camera clearly caught two fingers in the mouth. But McMenamin seemed to be claiming a finger in the eye was the more serious incident. His left pinky may well have gone in the eye, but camera angle didn’t really catch that. Either way the fish-hooping warrants a ban.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 10:46:26 AM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.

Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.
Attempting to defend or deflect from what McCann did yesterday is poor form

The holier than thou brigade out in full force today. Quick to jump down the throat of anyone not prepared to send McCann to the gallows. EVERY Tyrone poster has condemned McCann but it is reasonable to argue that he may have not intended his stamp (slow motion can often be misleading) and it is reasonable to argue that he put his fingers in the other players mouth rather than the narrative which has circulated on social media, that it was an eye gouge and it’s also reasonable to argue that, just maybe, he shouldn’t be banned from the GAA for the rest of his life. Yes it was a stupid, despicable act for which I hope he gets banned, but any sort of argument to the contrary of stringing him up for a public execution is not just poor form.
The previous poster in no way condemned McCann and went as far to insinuate the CCCC would open a case on McCann because of the Sunday game analysts alone.

He'll get a ban and it will be deserved. It should be longer than the 1 game ban he will get but the GAA have no grounds to issue a longer ban given the precedent of similar incidents in recent years (Philly McMahon and Donie Smith are two that come to mind). It was a sneaky act, the kind that is impossible for a referee or assistant to see in real time which generally means you get away with that type of action.

To be honest, people seem to get very outraged about things like biting, spitting, gouging but they are probably lesser crimes (not eye gouging which is very, very dangerous) than being boxed in the face or getting headbutted which never seems to get anywhere near the outrage. If you gave me the choice of being on the end of a biting, spitting or fish hooking offence or being boxed in the face I know which one carries the least severe consequences. That's not a defence of McCann either, it's just a comment on why old school violence in GAA seems to be much more tolerated.

It is time the GAA get serious on these violent incidents, every team has players that go over the top, some do it on a more consistent basis. The Championship will generally last a max of 10 games for most team, likely 7/8 for a team that comes through their province. The league lasts 7/8 games dependent of whether a team makes a final. If McCann were to get a 5 game ban for what he did yesterday, there is a very good chance that is his summer over. It would soon deter lads from doing that type of thing. As long as the punishment is so weak on these incidents, there is no deterrent to stop players from doing it.

Competitive sport draws people to do whatever they have to by all means necessary. But the GAA is particularly bad at stamping down on violent behaviour, token bans - many of which are overturned on appeal. The GAA appeals culture is a joke, I see Paul Mannion got off on his one recently when it looked a fairly clear cut red card while Caolan Mooney had his upheld when it seemed much less of a red card.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: RedHand88 on June 09, 2019, 10:47:30 AM
Hands in mouth, no stamp (more of a stumble). The guy seems to be a bit of an idiot but I would hope he wouldn't be stamping on a fellow player.
Yeah, I’d definitely give him the benefit of the doubt re the stamp. Sure McHugh kicked him and then stamped on him too! I think we can put all that down to accidents!

It’s  the hand on the face where the issue is. The camera clearly caught two fingers in the mouth. But McMenamin seemed to be claiming a finger in the eye was the more serious incident. His left pinky may well have gone in the eye, but camera angle didn’t really catch that. Either way the fish-hooping warrants a ban.

The most sensible post I've read on this, you've pretty much got it spot on. Wasn't a stamp, didn't look like an eye gouge. But hand in mouth will warrant a ban. How much remains to be seen, someone who knows the codebook would be better placed to say.
People calling for a 6 month/1 year/2 year ban are just daft.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 10:52:46 AM
Hands in mouth, no stamp (more of a stumble). The guy seems to be a bit of an idiot but I would hope he wouldn't be stamping on a fellow player.

People calling for a 6 month/1 year/2 year ban are just daft.

Bans should be done in terms of games in any case but a 1 game ban for a sneaky act like that is no deterrent. I can't ever recall a player being sent off for gouging/fish hooking, it's almost impossible for a referee to spot and eye gouging in particular can have potentially serious consequences.

They can't do anything more than give McCann a one game ban now but the disciplinary sanctions they GAA can impose of acts like this and other violent offences need to be badly looked at once the season is over.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 09, 2019, 11:21:07 AM
I’m not sure the stamp was deliberate having viewed it a couple times. Looked like he was stumbling about. Don’t know what he was doing putting his fingers in your mans mouth but it didn’t look good.
I don’t think it’s clear if he was deliberately targeted when he got hurt. Unless someone has got a close up of it?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: dublin7 on June 09, 2019, 11:21:11 AM
Hands in mouth, no stamp (more of a stumble). The guy seems to be a bit of an idiot but I would hope he wouldn't be stamping on a fellow player.
Yeah, I’d definitely give him the benefit of the doubt re the stamp. Sure McHugh kicked him and then stamped on him too! I think we can put all that down to accidents!

It’s  the hand on the face where the issue is. The camera clearly caught two fingers in the mouth. But McMenamin seemed to be claiming a finger in the eye was the more serious incident. His left pinky may well have gone in the eye, but camera angle didn’t really catch that. Either way the fish-hooping warrants a ban.

The most sensible post I've read on this, you've pretty much got it spot on. Wasn't a stamp, didn't look like an eye gouge. But hand in mouth will warrant a ban. How much remains to be seen, someone who knows the codebook would be better placed to say.
People calling for a 6 month/1 year/2 year ban are just daft.

Anyone can miss time a tackle, however there's nothing accidental when a player decides to play dentist and tries to pull a lads gum shield out of his mouth.Should be suspended for the summer.
It's comical some of the defenders for McCann on here. To somehow suggest  Brolly/The Sunday Game are settting up McCann and forcing CCCC to suspend a poor innocent man is so ridiculous it's actually funny
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 11:26:06 AM
Hands in mouth, no stamp (more of a stumble). The guy seems to be a bit of an idiot but I would hope he wouldn't be stamping on a fellow player.
Yeah, I’d definitely give him the benefit of the doubt re the stamp. Sure McHugh kicked him and then stamped on him too! I think we can put all that down to accidents!

It’s  the hand on the face where the issue is. The camera clearly caught two fingers in the mouth. But McMenamin seemed to be claiming a finger in the eye was the more serious incident. His left pinky may well have gone in the eye, but camera angle didn’t really catch that. Either way the fish-hooping warrants a ban.

The most sensible post I've read on this, you've pretty much got it spot on. Wasn't a stamp, didn't look like an eye gouge. But hand in mouth will warrant a ban. How much remains to be seen, someone who knows the codebook would be better placed to say.
People calling for a 6 month/1 year/2 year ban are just daft.

Anyone can miss time a tackle, however there's nothing accidental when a player decides to play dentist and tries to pull a lads gum shield out of his mouth.Should be suspended for the summer.
It's comical some of the defenders for McCann on here. To somehow suggest  Brolly/The Sunday Game are settting up McCann and forcing CCCC to suspend a poor innocent man is so ridiculous it's actually funny

He should be but the rules don't say he should.

I'm sure you were every bit as vocal when Philly McMahon tried to play optician with Kieran Donaghy's eye?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: marty34 on June 09, 2019, 11:26:13 AM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 11:29:52 AM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

How bad was it in your opinion?

Worse than the Smith eye gouge on Higgins?
Worse than the Carlow player that struck the Meath player 3 or 4 times a couple of weeks back?
Worse than Brendan Donaghy collapsing down on the Cavan player last week?


There's no doubt what McCann did was wrong and he should be punished but I think it's the usual outrage and hysteria because it is Tyrone involved.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: yellowcard on June 09, 2019, 11:32:38 AM
The precedent was set with Philly McMahon and I'd expect that McCann will get the same punishment as he did (I don't remember what it was but it probably cost him POTY that season with all of the bad publicity). It was a nasty incident alright but at least it will give the media something in order to justify their analysis fees for the next few days as well as being manna from heaven for the moral outrage police. It will also serve to deflect from what was a horrible Tyrone performance.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: giveherlong on June 09, 2019, 11:45:57 AM
Tyrone were awful yesterday and fair play to Donegal. I felt donegal were streetwise as hell and tyrone entered that game either with a dressing room problem or something else..late changes discipline etc had all the hallmarks of a non focussed camp...When reactions to the cynical Donegal performance go to these places,,, and a Potentially sickening subsequent off the ball incident that may have left Mc Cann badly injured..then it is time to take a step back and evaluate where we are going.. Not worth that and something you would not want to see in our games from Both teams....It’s indefensible and I haven’t seen the incident yet where it’s suggested his Achilles could have been targetted in an off the ball incident then he’s already suffering and his career could be over...

Who was the Donegal player that done Mccann off the ball to send him off injured?
TV showed it briefly from camera behind opposite goals but wasn’t clear what happened
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: marty34 on June 09, 2019, 11:47:24 AM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

How bad was it in your opinion?

Worse than the Smith eye gouge on Higgins?
Worse than the Carlow player that struck the Meath player 3 or 4 times a couple of weeks back?
Worse than Brendan Donaghy collapsing down on the Cavan player last week?


There's no doubt what McCann did was wrong and he should be punished but I think it's the usual outrage and hysteria because it is Tyrone involved.

Personally, I don't know what he was at - only Mc Cann himself knows what his intention.  I think he was frustrated but it doesn't look good  This'll will be an issue for a few days.  He'll get a suspension and life will go on until a similar typeincident happens.

Re; the above incidents - I agree. They are of a similar standing and have no place in the GAA.  Until the GAA commit to stricter suspensions etc. then they will continue to happen.  In tandem, counties just appeal and appeal.  There should be just 1 committe, like other sports, where the incident gets looked at and a panel of 3 decide the punishment and that's it dealt with.

There seems to be an issue in the Gaa where it's a terrible thing if a player misses an opportunity to play in an All Ireland Final.  Pure waffle, if he misses it through a discliplinary issue, so be it - tough sh*t.

My point is why does this all happen under Mickey Harte's watch.  I just don't understand it.  I thought he'd have none of this carry on in his teams but not so.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: dublin7 on June 09, 2019, 11:56:51 AM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

How bad was it in your opinion?

Worse than the Smith eye gouge on Higgins?
Worse than the Carlow player that struck the Meath player 3 or 4 times a couple of weeks back?
Worse than Brendan Donaghy collapsing down on the Cavan player last week?


There's no doubt what McCann did was wrong and he should be punished but I think it's the usual outrage and hysteria because it is Tyrone involved.
Typical GAA BS. Defend the indefisible it its one of your own. No doubt solicitors will be studying the rule book to find a rechnicality to get McCann's proposed suspension overturned.



Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 12:08:17 PM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

How bad was it in your opinion?

Worse than the Smith eye gouge on Higgins?
Worse than the Carlow player that struck the Meath player 3 or 4 times a couple of weeks back?
Worse than Brendan Donaghy collapsing down on the Cavan player last week?


There's no doubt what McCann did was wrong and he should be punished but I think it's the usual outrage and hysteria because it is Tyrone involved.
Typical GAA BS. Defend the indefisible it its one of your own. No doubt solicitors will be studying the rule book to find a rechnicality to get McCann's proposed suspension overturned.

How is it bullshit.

Precedent will determine the punishment, it should be a harsher suspension but it's not going to be as for similar incidents the GAA have issued 1 game bans (or no action at all!). I have no problem conceding what McCann did was wrong, trampish and has no place on a GAA pitch, no problem at all. It's right there in black and white for you.

Now do you care to comment on these two photos below.







Or does your outrage disappear for internal affairs?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: High Fielder on June 09, 2019, 12:09:09 PM
I think Mickey does be saying the auld Rosary when Plan B is being discussed. McCann has always been a bit hot. He lost his cool and he'll get punished. It happens. Admittedly, the GAA probably don't deal with this stuff as well as they should. But no surprise there. Good Donegal performance. Michael Murphy an absolute pleasure to watch playing the game
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: HiMucker on June 09, 2019, 12:09:23 PM
On McCann incident... defo did not kick on head that was was down to mchugh pushing mccann.
Not sure what his hands were doin around the face shouldnt been there but it was not an eye gouge and was not a fish hook...his fingers were closed. Hands shouldnt have been up there tho it happened very fast.


Brolly rabbitting on about the brendan rodgers incident again which was clearly accidental. And how is anyone gonna rip out a man's teeth and gums with his fingers I'll never know :) Coming out with shite like that boy is gonna get what is coming to him is dangerous talk. O, Rouke and his manliness  ::)
CCcc will spring to action now tho since the tail has wagged it.
FFS ::) Delusional or what. Catch a grip. Fair play to most of the trying supporters on here who seen it for what it clearly was, disgraceful behaviour.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2019, 12:15:05 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: straightred on June 09, 2019, 12:18:40 PM
There are 2 offences to be ruled on. Tyrone might be able to cite precedent for the gouging but that still leaves the stamp (and yes it was a stamp). I saw Harte's BBC interview and he was right to do a Wenger on it. If he hadn't seen the replay then there's no sense in jumping to his defence or condeming him. However you'd hope that when he does see it that he accepts whatever punishment he gets
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 12:22:34 PM
There are 2 offences to be ruled on. Tyrone might be able to cite precedent for the gouging but that still leaves the stamp (and yes it was a stamp). I saw Harte's BBC interview and he was right to do a Wenger on it. If he hadn't seen the replay then there's no sense in jumping to his defence or condeming him. However you'd hope that when he does see it that he accepts whatever punishment he gets

The stamp is very inconclusive and hard to prove. You can make assumptions but you can't rule it was deliberate or not and it certainly doesn't help when Ryan McHugh cames in right away and always drags his studs across his teammate.

The fish hook actions will absolutely result in a ban and rightly so.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: hardstation on June 09, 2019, 12:27:54 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.
We’ve entered new waters of craziness with this post. I’d just love to know what way that conversation goes in your head.
What McCann did was a dirty action but it was a spur of the moment thing to annoy an opponent. He will receive a retrospective ban. It won’t be a massive one as the GAA have yet to give heavy sanctions for similar actions.

And they won’t ban Mickey Harte at all as he actually didn’t do anything wrong.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 12:28:42 PM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

How bad was it in your opinion?

Worse than the Smith eye gouge on Higgins?
Worse than the Carlow player that struck the Meath player 3 or 4 times a couple of weeks back?
Worse than Brendan Donaghy collapsing down on the Cavan player last week?


There's no doubt what McCann did was wrong and he should be punished but I think it's the usual outrage and hysteria because it is Tyrone involved.
Typical GAA BS. Defend the indefisible it its one of your own. No doubt solicitors will be studying the rule book to find a rechnicality to get McCann's proposed suspension overturned.

How is it bullshit.

Precedent will determine the punishment, it should be a harsher suspension but it's not going to be as for similar incidents the GAA have issued 1 game bans (or no action at all!). I have no problem conceding what McCann did was wrong, trampish and has no place on a GAA pitch, no problem at all. It's right there in black and white for you.

Now do you care to comment on these two photos below.







Or does your outrage disappear for internal affairs?

If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trileacman on June 09, 2019, 12:30:06 PM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

How bad was it in your opinion?

Worse than the Smith eye gouge on Higgins?
Worse than the Carlow player that struck the Meath player 3 or 4 times a couple of weeks back?
Worse than Brendan Donaghy collapsing down on the Cavan player last week?


There's no doubt what McCann did was wrong and he should be punished but I think it's the usual outrage and hysteria because it is Tyrone involved.
Typical GAA BS. Defend the indefisible it its one of your own. No doubt solicitors will be studying the rule book to find a rechnicality to get McCann's proposed suspension overturned.

How is it bullshit.

Precedent will determine the punishment, it should be a harsher suspension but it's not going to be as for similar incidents the GAA have issued 1 game bans (or no action at all!). I have no problem conceding what McCann did was wrong, trampish and has no place on a GAA pitch, no problem at all. It's right there in black and white for you.

Now do you care to comment on these two photos below.







Or does your outrage disappear for internal affairs?

If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.

What was the ban for those 2 incidents?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 09, 2019, 12:33:13 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

I seriously doubt Harte sent him out with specific instructions to do that!

I think the likes of Angelo are right. McCann is an idiot who did a trampish act and will have to live with more damage to his reputation, not great to begin with, but the GAA has a track record of being softer on this type of stuff than they should.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 12:34:09 PM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Done

gal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

How bad was it in your opinion?

Worse than the Smith eye gouge on Higgins?
Worse than the Carlow player that struck the Meath player 3 or 4 times a couple of weeks back?
Worse than Brendan Donaghy collapsing down on the Cavan player last week?


There's no doubt what McCann did was wrong and he should be punished but I think it's the usual outrage and hysteria because it is Tyrone involved.
Typical GAA BS. Defend the indefisible it its one of your own. No doubt solicitors will be studying the rule book to find a rechnicality to get McCann's proposed suspension overturned.

How is it bullshit.

Precedent will determine the punishment, it should be a harsher suspension but it's not going to be as for similar incidents the GAA have issued 1 game bans (or no action at all!). I have no problem conceding what McCann did was wrong, trampish and has no place on a GAA pitch, no problem at all. It's right there in black and white for you.

Now do you care to comment on these two photos below.







Or does your outrage disappear for internal affairs?

If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.

What was the ban for those 2 incidents?

1 game for McMahon.

Nothing for O'Gara. In fact the O'Gara one unfolded on the actual live feed of the game and was replayed but it was just glossed over even though it was clear as day what happened. It wasn't even discussed in the subsequent post match commentary.

Think it may have been the 2017 final one where O'Gara did it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyCake on June 09, 2019, 12:34:19 PM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

Oisin McConville agreed yesterday that Mickey Harte should, and will, condemn McCann’s antics. I thought to myself, don’t count on it.

Have we ever seen Harte publicly speak out on his teams antics?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyCake on June 09, 2019, 12:41:48 PM
They complained when soccer players dived. And for years done nothing about it, retrospectively. I remember thinking 20 years ago, dish out a 10 game ban. They’ll think twice about doing it again.

The GAA have to do similar. Gouging, fingers in the eyes, etc - 6 game ban. Summer over. They’ll think twice about it too.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 12:47:05 PM
The GAA have to do similar. Gouging, fingers in the eyes, etc - 6 game ban. Summer over. They’ll think twice about it too.

Fair enough.

Players have moved to this type of action now as it's difficult to spot at the time and subsequently prove in replays - usually happens between a ruck of bodies when lads are grappling on the floor.

That's the reason they do it, for a referee it is almost impossible to spot at a time and there's no guarantee a replay will capture it either.

I think all violent acts should carry lengthily suspensions. What sort of ban did the Carlow lad get a few weeks back for striking a lad 3 or 4 times?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 09, 2019, 01:11:53 PM
If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.

Nauseating and hypocritical sanctimony (from d7), don't depend on hearing from him any time soon.*

*Not a defence of Mc Cann's actions in the slightest.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: screenexile on June 09, 2019, 01:17:50 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

It’s a subliminal message transferred to the players during the Rosary before games very hard to prove Harte is shrewd like that.

Plausible deniability!!
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 09, 2019, 01:18:19 PM
I think Hound’s opinion of McCann’s behaviour in yesterday’s incident  is very close to the mark.

The Rogers assault was much worse.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2019, 01:39:42 PM
It’s very nauseating and downright embarrassing to watch Colm O’Rourke churn out his “manliness” comment. Can we even make these sort of remarks in the current social climate? I’m surprised Joanne Cantwell pull him up on it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Rossfan on June 09, 2019, 01:57:17 PM
She thought the game was in Ballyybofey.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: clarshack on June 09, 2019, 02:42:48 PM
Just saw the McCann incident. While it’s not good I think there’s been a complete over reaction to it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: under the bar on June 09, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

What are you on about? Name the incidents you are referring to when Harte was managing Errigal?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 09, 2019, 03:05:03 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

What are you on about? Name the incidents you are referring to when Harte was managing Errigal?

Hysterical hyperbole all around, not just from outside the County :(
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 09, 2019, 03:16:56 PM
Just saw the McCann incident. While it’s not good I think there’s been a complete over reaction to it.

What he did has no place in the game whatsoever and he should be ashamed of himself.

Players should be severely punished for that type of shit and they’re not.

There is too much tolerance for it because no gets seriously hurt, at least so far.

How about a code of conduct to foster sportsmanship? Usually this sneaky, nasty shit is done to provoke the opponent.

From my own county, Neil McGee missed one league game that time he bent back the Kerry forward’s fingers. Not very harmful, but the purpose was to provoke a violent reaction which was, of course, what it did.

Paddy Campbell all those years ago grabbing Enda Muldoon by the balls to get a reaction.

It’s about time the GAA started coming down hard on these lads.

I agree with O’Rourke on the “manliness” issue.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyCake on June 09, 2019, 03:29:08 PM
All these antics makes a sham of this pre-match team handshakes bollix.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 03:29:33 PM
Just saw the McCann incident. While it’s not good I think there’s been a complete over reaction to it.

What he did has no place in the game whatsoever and he should be ashamed of himself.

Players should be severely punished for that type of shit and they’re not.

There is too much tolerance for it because no gets seriously hurt, at least so far.

How about a code of conduct to foster sportsmanship? Usually this sneaky, nasty shit is done to provoke the opponent.

From my own county, Neil McGee missed one league game that time he bent back the Kerry forward’s fingers. Not very harmful, but the purpose was to provoke a violent reaction which was, of course, what it did.

Paddy Campbell all those years ago grabbing Enda Muldoon by the balls to get a reaction.

It’s about time the GAA started coming down hard on these lads.

I agree with O’Rourke on the “manliness” issue.

Not really that manly to sucker punch an opposition player to the ear from behind like O'Rourke boasts about in his book. He's some man to talk considering the type of player he was and the type of team he played for.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2019, 04:10:51 PM
Don't underestimate Harte. He's a right wing conservative. That demographic typically love violence.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 09, 2019, 04:19:29 PM
Don't underestimate Harte. He's a right wing conservative. That demographic typically love violence.

Jesus wept! There’s some proper loonies on this board.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 09, 2019, 04:25:21 PM
Usual suspects lying in wait to express their outrage obviously get an axe to grind.... at least one poster obiviously has a rather petty personal gripe laughable but unsurprising.

Blaming mickey harte for this  ;D Cant believe that no one has uncovered there was a compulsory course for eye gouging at thedark arts academy yet  ::)

The incident is there for all to see...the kick was collateral from mchughs push...there was no eye gouge....there was no fish hook. There was a hand around the face for which he has a case to answer and there was fingers in the mouth tho how deliberately they got there is questionable, I'm not even sure McCann could see where that hand was
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Insane Bolt on June 09, 2019, 04:35:28 PM
As a neutral I thought McCann had killed someone....going by the rants on here.....sweet Fcuk....thank god there were no cameras about in my day...I’d be doing jail.
Don’t know why he stuck his finger in your mans mouth.....stamp was accidental in my opinion....no pressure....no malice.......but have to say if an opponent had stuck his finger in my mouth....he would be A....minus a finger....or B....have a size 12 stuck up his hole.
Mc Cann will have better moments....but cut the crap.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2019, 05:18:02 PM
Watching the game on tv you would hope that will be Tiernan McCann's last game this summer. To stamp on someone like he did is s**t housery of the highest order. Delighted to see him go off injured. Karma is a bitch!!

All the years that Tyrone played with 13/14 men behind the ball means their defenders have no experience in man on man defending. Tyrone were all over the place defensively. Donegal the better team and well worth the win

Very nasty incident and no excuse. I'm sure he's ashamed of himself afterwards and the media attention that it will get will not be nice for him or his family to deal with but there is no place on a football field for that type of act. Harte has stood by him in the past for a different type of high profile incident but he really let his manager and teammates down today. I think for his own good and for the good of his team Harte should drop him from the panel for this year. He's an important player to them but discipline in a team is very important and a precedent and example should be shown to the panel. I'm sure he's a good lad but some standards need to be set within a panel and there's some lines when crossed cannot be excused with a "rush of blood to the head". And regardless of the white heat of battle there must be some modicum of respect to opposition players. Thankfully no real damage done to Donegal lad but these type of incidents getting too common.
I don't get his importance? I understand why a team would want to have Diarmuid Connolly and the bit of madness that goes with him. McCann ???? Not worth the trouble. 

His worth has been reduced by the change to man marking. He came to prominence with the ultra blanket defence where he was protected by the swarm and had the speed to break on the counter. This was aided by the opposition backing off into a defensive formation.

 His exposure began with Dublin games when man marking was important and he had to rely on his own ability and skill with little or no cover. Yesterday, he was exposed again, just watch the lead up to the incident and see his level of frustration unable to handle speed and evasion of the Donegal player. Then when the swarm put the man down, savage instincts took over.

You have to wonder what type of sportsman engages in the repugnant behaviour that all observed when the victim had done nothing other than embarrass his opponent’s lack of skill, speed and agility. No level of frustration could begin to justify the actions.

What will be the manager’s reaction and how public will it be?

Will the GAA virtually condone this behaviour with the application of a single match ban when it was nothing less than common assault?

A test for manager and authorities that neither can afford to fail.

Sad to see football stooping so low.

I find it ironic that Mickey Harte, who does sterling work in schools etc.   in regards to moral issues, has always 'allowed' Tyrone players to do things like Mc Cann's carry on yesterday - it goes back further with loads of examples.  Yet, he does nothing about them for all the moral preaching elsewhere.

You think he'd say to his players, like he does in schools and youth organisations, where he talks excellently about good values, to cut out these serious nasty elements of Tyrone's games. 

Every player in a team can see the red mist at different times but this incident was beyond crazy.  Mc Cann will obviously take serious stick for this and rightly so, but he has form re 'hairgate' but Mickey needs to say to hid panel, cut out the bad press for their panel.

Oisin McConville agreed yesterday that Mickey Harte should, and will, condemn McCann’s antics. I thought to myself, don’t count on it.

Have we ever seen Harte publicly speak out on his teams antics?
I just hope he has the sense not to appeal it if the do take action. That would definitely look like he condoned it. 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: under the bar on June 09, 2019, 05:29:07 PM
Don't underestimate Harte. He's a right wing conservative. That demographic typically love violence.

How much have you had to drink today? ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 09, 2019, 05:32:53 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

Mickey Harte is being attacked to some extent by Tyrone posters in relation to this action by McCann.

The fault in this assault lies only with McCann. He was never sent out at any time or game by Harte to behave in this manner or to injure another player. To claim any different is libellous.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: JoG2 on June 09, 2019, 05:43:13 PM
Anyone know when the televised games appear on the iPlayer? Thanks
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: under the bar on June 09, 2019, 05:47:12 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

Mickey Harte is being attacked to some extent by Tyrone posters in relation to this action by McCann.

The fault in this assault lies only with McCann. He was never sent out at any time or game by Harte to behave in this manner or to injure another player. To claim any different is libellous.

Trailer doesn't get libel as he's sub-minimal level of intelligence to have an relevant opinion.  ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 09, 2019, 05:53:17 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

Mickey Harte is being attacked to some extent by Tyrone posters in relation to this action by McCann.

The fault in this assault lies only with McCann. He was never sent out at any time or game by Harte to behave in this manner or to injure another player. To claim any different is libellous.

Trailer doesn't get libel as he's sub-minimal level of intelligence to have an relevant opinion.  ;D

He and others are bringing the Board into the possibility of libel action and the Mods should be taking action.

But it's just the usual critics without the courage to use their own names and hiding behind their pseudonyms while defending the indefensible, spouting the usual whataboutery or just plainly libelling others.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 09, 2019, 06:03:33 PM
Just saw the McCann incident. While it’s not good I think there’s been a complete over reaction to it.

What he did has no place in the game whatsoever and he should be ashamed of himself.

Players should be severely punished for that type of shit and they’re not.

There is too much tolerance for it because no gets seriously hurt, at least so far.

How about a code of conduct to foster sportsmanship? Usually this sneaky, nasty shit is done to provoke the opponent.

From my own county, Neil McGee missed one league game that time he bent back the Kerry forward’s fingers. Not very harmful, but the purpose was to provoke a violent reaction which was, of course, what it did.

Paddy Campbell all those years ago grabbing Enda Muldoon by the balls to get a reaction.

It’s about time the GAA started coming down hard on these lads.

I agree with O’Rourke on the “manliness” issue.

Not really that manly to sucker punch an opposition player to the ear from behind like O'Rourke boasts about in his book. He's some man to talk considering the type of player he was and the type of team he played for.

That may be so, but he is absolutely correct that there is nothing courageous about the sneaky, nasty shit illustrated by McCann yesterday.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: SouthDublinBro on June 09, 2019, 06:07:05 PM
Take Murphy out of that Donegal team and I don't think they are up to much. Would agree with Brolly that he is the best player of the last 10 years.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: under the bar on June 09, 2019, 06:43:28 PM
Just saw the McCann incident. While it’s not good I think there’s been a complete over reaction to it.

What he did has no place in the game whatsoever and he should be ashamed of himself.

Players should be severely punished for that type of shit and they’re not.

There is too much tolerance for it because no gets seriously hurt, at least so far.

How about a code of conduct to foster sportsmanship? Usually this sneaky, nasty shit is done to provoke the opponent.

From my own county, Neil McGee missed one league game that time he bent back the Kerry forward’s fingers. Not very harmful, but the purpose was to provoke a violent reaction which was, of course, what it did.

Paddy Campbell all those years ago grabbing Enda Muldoon by the balls to get a reaction.

It’s about time the GAA started coming down hard on these lads.

I agree with O’Rourke on the “manliness” issue.

Not really that manly to sucker punch an opposition player to the ear from behind like O'Rourke boasts about in his book. He's some man to talk considering the type of player he was and the type of team he played for.

That may be so, but he is absolutely correct that there is nothing courageous about the sneaky, nasty shit illustrated by McCann yesterday.
Absolutely no place for what McCann did or Donaghy last week.  All such acts should be highlighted and appropriate action taken.  Absolutely sick of lick-spittles like O'Rourke & Brolly who don't even comment when Dublin or Meath players carry out such acts but call for strong action when it's Tyrone. Then you have the likes of  Ciaran Whelan who was the epitome of thuggery  chipping in from the side.  Complete joke.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2019, 06:43:43 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

Mickey Harte is being attacked to some extent by Tyrone posters in relation to this action by McCann.

The fault in this assault lies only with McCann. He was never sent out at any time or game by Harte to behave in this manner or to injure another player. To claim any different is libellous.

Trailer doesn't get libel as he's sub-minimal level of intelligence to have an relevant opinion.  ;D

He and others are bringing the Board into the possibility of libel action and the Mods should be taking action.

But it's just the usual critics without the courage to use their own names and hiding behind their pseudonyms while defending the indefensible, spouting the usual whataboutery or just plainly libelling others.

Take a shot a the king, you'd better not miss.
I never libelled anyone and to suggest otherwise is libellous. 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2019, 06:46:41 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

Mickey Harte is being attacked to some extent by Tyrone posters in relation to this action by McCann.

The fault in this assault lies only with McCann. He was never sent out at any time or game by Harte to behave in this manner or to injure another player. To claim any different is libellous.

Trailer doesn't get libel as he's sub-minimal level of intelligence to have an relevant opinion.  ;D

He and others are bringing the Board into the possibility of libel action and the Mods should be taking action.

But it's just the usual critics without the courage to use their own names and hiding behind their pseudonyms while defending the indefensible, spouting the usual whataboutery or just plainly libelling others.


Says you who hid behind a pseudonym for years. And now you're a retired teacher on hefty pension no matter what! (paid by the taxpayer!!)
Michael Gove wouldn't have a look in for hypocrisy when you're around.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: RedHand88 on June 09, 2019, 06:57:41 PM
I'm sure the social media outrage brigade are just as horrified at Fermanaghs antics today, they are just keeping it to themselves.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 09, 2019, 06:58:34 PM
I'm sure the social media outrage brigade are just as horrified at Fermanaghs antics today, they are just keeping it to themselves.

What happened?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: lenny on June 09, 2019, 07:12:47 PM
Just saw the McCann incident. While it’s not good I think there’s been a complete over reaction to it.

And so it begins. Exactly the same as when mccann had his pathetic dive. At first it’s - he’ll not be proud of himself after that, then it’s it wasn’t that bad, then the whataboutery, other players have done worse, the he’s a good lad from a good family and doesn’t deserve to be victimised. Let’s be honest for once, what he did was disgusting. And to say he doesn’t make contact with the eye is nonsense. He initially goes for the eye and it’s only the movement of the donegal player that means he ends up with his fingers in his mouth. The stamp on the side of the head could also have been easily avoided.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 09, 2019, 07:41:26 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

Mickey Harte is being attacked to some extent by Tyrone posters in relation to this action by McCann.

The fault in this assault lies only with McCann. He was never sent out at any time or game by Harte to behave in this manner or to injure another player. To claim any different is libellous.

Trailer doesn't get libel as he's sub-minimal level of intelligence to have an relevant opinion.  ;D

He and others are bringing the Board into the possibility of libel action and the Mods should be taking action.

But it's just the usual critics without the courage to use their own names and hiding behind their pseudonyms while defending the indefensible, spouting the usual whataboutery or just plainly libelling others.


Says you who hid behind a pseudonym for years. And now you're a retired teacher on hefty pension no matter what! (paid by the taxpayer!!)
Michael Gove wouldn't have a look in for hypocrisy when you're around.

Mustn't have been much a psuedonym when even you knew who I was.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 09, 2019, 07:50:50 PM
I'm sure the social media outrage brigade are just as horrified at Fermanaghs antics today, they are just keeping it to themselves.

What happened?

I’m assuming he means the fracas at the end of the game today
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Main Street on June 09, 2019, 07:57:58 PM
I'm sure the social media outrage brigade are just as horrified at Fermanaghs antics today, they are just keeping it to themselves.

What happened?
Football was murdered.
Congrats on Donegal winning and in such emphatic confident style, (dare I say  even attractive).
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2019, 08:03:55 PM
RE: McCann incident. Mickey Harte has form in sending teams out to play like this, going back to his days of managing Errigal Ciaran. I wouldn't be surprised if he sent McCann out with specific instructions to do what he did.
There can be no excuse for those actions and I can't fathom why anyone would try to defend them.

Mickey Harte is being attacked to some extent by Tyrone posters in relation to this action by McCann.

The fault in this assault lies only with McCann. He was never sent out at any time or game by Harte to behave in this manner or to injure another player. To claim any different is libellous.

Trailer doesn't get libel as he's sub-minimal level of intelligence to have an relevant opinion.  ;D

He and others are bringing the Board into the possibility of libel action and the Mods should be taking action.

But it's just the usual critics without the courage to use their own names and hiding behind their pseudonyms while defending the indefensible, spouting the usual whataboutery or just plainly libelling others.


Says you who hid behind a pseudonym for years. And now you're a retired teacher on hefty pension no matter what! (paid by the taxpayer!!)
Michael Gove wouldn't have a look in for hypocrisy when you're around.

Mustn't have been much a psuedonym when even you knew who I was.

For a teacher you ain’t that smart.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 09, 2019, 08:12:41 PM
Since when were teachers smart?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 09, 2019, 08:33:41 PM
Ewan MacKenna going all in on McCann and Harte on Twitter.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 09, 2019, 08:37:19 PM
Ewan MacKenna going all in on McCann and Harte on Twitter.

Of course he is
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trailer on June 09, 2019, 08:40:03 PM
Since when were teachers smart?

Indeed. Yes, well the fact they’re just people who can’t cut it the real world is a discussion for another day.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 09, 2019, 08:41:19 PM
Ewan MacKenna going all in on McCann and Harte on Twitter.

Of course he is

His response on Harte and the character witness thing is horrendous. Harte has faults but Mckenna is one toxic individual.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 09, 2019, 08:44:55 PM
Ewan MacKenna going all in on McCann and Harte on Twitter.

Of course he is

His response on Harte and the character witness thing is horrendous. Harte has faults but Mckenna is one toxic individual.

Absolutely shocking comments. By MacKenna, not Tommy Gunn.

He reminds me of the Ian Og Paisley parody account.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 09, 2019, 08:45:41 PM
Ewan MacKenna going all in on McCann and Harte on Twitter.

Of course he is

His response on Harte and the character witness thing is horrendous. Harte has faults but Mckenna is one toxic individual.

He is indeed. What has he said
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 09, 2019, 08:50:47 PM
Ewan MacKenna going all in on McCann and Harte on Twitter.

Of course he is

His response on Harte and the character witness thing is horrendous. Harte has faults but Mckenna is one toxic individual.

He is indeed. What has he said

Quote
Mickey writes character witnesses for attackers of rape victim mothers thrown naked out the back of moving vans. One of lowest people I've ever met.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: RedHand88 on June 09, 2019, 09:25:49 PM
I'm sure the social media outrage brigade are just as horrified at Fermanaghs antics today, they are just keeping it to themselves.

What happened?

They finished with 12 men.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 09, 2019, 09:28:52 PM
I'm sure the social media outrage brigade are just as horrified at Fermanaghs antics today, they are just keeping it to themselves.

What happened?

They finished with 12 men.

Ok, but what did they do that should have everything outraged?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 09, 2019, 10:22:05 PM
Ok, but what did they do that should have everything outraged?

You mean, what happened that should have the like of dublin7 having his righteous indignation dander so inflamed?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 09, 2019, 11:00:48 PM
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1137827550640476161/pl/GHnKogDS4I6LJaua.m3u8?tag=13 (https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1137827550640476161/pl/GHnKogDS4I6LJaua.m3u8?tag=13)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 10, 2019, 12:24:14 AM
A few going on about O'Rourke comment. I seen him play a fair few times, he was a great footballer and a hard man on a team of hard men. Many called that Meath team dirty. I just thought they were tough, still don't remember them putting hands in players mouths though. From that video above there looks like eye contact too.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: In hiding on June 10, 2019, 01:18:05 AM
A few going on about O'Rourke comment. I seen him play a fair few times, he was a great footballer and a hard man on a team of hard men. Many called that Meath team dirty. I just thought they were tough, still don't remember them putting hands in players mouths though. From that video above there looks like eye contact too.

Lads the abuse being directed at Tiernan Mc Cann is unbelievable. He didn't hurt mc Menamin in any way. He played on, finished the game, he suffered no injury.
For those who say he shouldn't be allowed to play for Tyrone again.Get a grip. He was being horrible, not malicious
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 10, 2019, 01:29:21 AM
McCann can have no complaints. He knew what he was at. How the f**k would even enter someone’s head to put their gloved fingers into someone’s mouth?

And what has the resultant injury or whether or not he suffered match-ending effects got to do with anything. It’s not like McCann was gently caressing him, taking care not to hurt him.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2019, 04:35:45 AM
A few going on about O'Rourke comment. I seen him play a fair few times, he was a great footballer and a hard man on a team of hard men. Many called that Meath team dirty. I just thought they were tough, still don't remember them putting hands in players mouths though. From that video above there looks like eye contact too.

Lads the abuse being directed at Tiernan Mc Cann is unbelievable. He didn't hurt mc Menamin in any way. He played on, finished the game, he suffered no injury.
For those who say he shouldn't be allowed to play for Tyrone again.Get a grip. He was being horrible, not malicious

So because he didn’t hurt anyone that’s alright then?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 10, 2019, 06:56:35 AM
Watched it a few times now... was he trying to pull out his gum shield?
And then Mcmenamin wasnt wearing one?

It happened very quickly, so hard to gauge if there was that kind of intent, I'll tell ye tho if he had done it to me he'd have a very sore finger!

Kinda a stupid and weird thing to do but hardly cause for the hysterical language banging around.

Marty clark said it was the worst thing he'd seen in any sport....wtf is he talking about.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 07:52:18 AM
Mickey harte loving all this talk about Mc cann. Deflects nicely from Tyrone management meltdown. A few Tyrone supporters on various platforms were having a laugh at Declan bonnar in the lead up to the game. Well he handed harte his ass.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 10, 2019, 07:54:59 AM

It happened very quickly, so hard to gauge if there was that kind of intent!

Kinda a stupid and weird thing to do but hardly cause for the hysterical language banging around.

Marty clark said it was the worst thing he'd seen in any sport....wtf is he talking about.

Intent? He was intent in hurting the player he couldn't catch and had literally run around him. Just watch the sequence of play before the incident.

I have read outrage at this action but not hysteria.  However, hysteria would be much better than normalising this type of behaviour on the football field whether it is this 'weird thing to do' or O'Rourke's healthy and manly thumping.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 10, 2019, 09:03:55 AM
Watched it a few times now... was he trying to pull out his gum shield?
And then Mcmenamin wasnt wearing one?

It happened very quickly, so hard to gauge if there was that kind of intent, I'll tell ye tho if he had done it to me he'd have a very sore finger!

Kinda a stupid and weird thing to do but hardly cause for the hysterical language banging around.

Marty clark said it was the worst thing he'd seen in any sport....wtf is he talking about.

There was intent to put his hand in the boy's mouth. Is that not intent enough? I wouldn't get hysterical about it but at the same time it's very hard to comprehend you defending the guy.

What exactly he intended to do when he put his hand in the boy's mouth is the only question of intent.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: dublin7 on June 10, 2019, 11:53:46 AM
If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.

Nauseating and hypocritical sanctimony (from d7), don't depend on hearing from him any time soon.*

*Not a defence of Mc Cann's actions in the slightest.

I do apologise for not replying earlier. I do have other things to do. For what it's worth Philly McMahon incident was clear and he should have been suspended. O'Gara didn't do anything wrong if you actually look back on the video and not just a still frame. Why people automatically point to other incidents to somehow justify McCann's actions doesn't make it any better and not much of a defence.

Sadly you just know Tyrone (like majority of GAA clubs/counties) have lawyers on speed dial so if the GAA do hand down a large suspension to McCann they will appeal it on some nonsensical technicality.

There have been dicipline issues on Tyrone teams over the years from the cynical fouling/diving to incidents like this. Harte should have stamped it out, but chose not to.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 10, 2019, 12:09:58 PM
If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.

Nauseating and hypocritical sanctimony (from d7), don't depend on hearing from him any time soon.*

*Not a defence of Mc Cann's actions in the slightest.

I do apologise for not replying earlier. I do have other things to do. For what it's worth Philly McMahon incident was clear and he should have been suspended. O'Gara didn't do anything wrong if you actually look back on the video and not just a still frame. Why people automatically point to other incidents to somehow justify McCann's actions doesn't make it any better and not much of a defence.

Sadly you just know Tyrone (like majority of GAA clubs/counties) have lawyers on speed dial so if the GAA do hand down a large suspension to McCann they will appeal it on some nonsensical technicality.

There have been dicipline issues on Tyrone teams over the years from the cynical fouling/diving to incidents like this. Harte should have stamped it out, but chose not to.

Of course they would. If the GAA were deciding to ignore some actions from other counties and cherry picking which ones to bring forward then they should be absolutely be pulled up on it. Otherwise they'll be open to complaints of bias. I have no issue with that being highlighted.

Tyrone are no worse than most when it comes down to fouling/diving. You could have made an argument about that in the 00's but recently we've been far from dirty.


Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 10, 2019, 01:32:30 PM
I missed the Tyrone v Dublin league game, did Tyrone go man on man that night?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 10, 2019, 01:44:16 PM
If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.

Nauseating and hypocritical sanctimony (from d7), don't depend on hearing from him any time soon.*

*Not a defence of Mc Cann's actions in the slightest.

I do apologise for not replying earlier. I do have other things to do. For what it's worth Philly McMahon incident was clear and he should have been suspended. O'Gara didn't do anything wrong if you actually look back on the video and not just a still frame. Why people automatically point to other incidents to somehow justify McCann's actions doesn't make it any better and not much of a defence.

Sadly you just know Tyrone (like majority of GAA clubs/counties) have lawyers on speed dial so if the GAA do hand down a large suspension to McCann they will appeal it on some nonsensical technicality.

There have been dicipline issues on Tyrone teams over the years from the cynical fouling/diving to incidents like this. Harte should have stamped it out, but chose not to.

O'Gara was clear as day and worse than the McMahon one.

Sweep, sweep.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: dublin7 on June 10, 2019, 01:56:16 PM
If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.

Nauseating and hypocritical sanctimony (from d7), don't depend on hearing from him any time soon.*

*Not a defence of Mc Cann's actions in the slightest.

I do apologise for not replying earlier. I do have other things to do. For what it's worth Philly McMahon incident was clear and he should have been suspended. O'Gara didn't do anything wrong if you actually look back on the video and not just a still frame. Why people automatically point to other incidents to somehow justify McCann's actions doesn't make it any better and not much of a defence.

Sadly you just know Tyrone (like majority of GAA clubs/counties) have lawyers on speed dial so if the GAA do hand down a large suspension to McCann they will appeal it on some nonsensical technicality.

There have been dicipline issues on Tyrone teams over the years from the cynical fouling/diving to incidents like this. Harte should have stamped it out, but chose not to.

O'Gara was clear as day and worse than the McMahon one.

Sweep, sweep.

So it seems Tiernan McCann's defence is going to be go on the attack. Accepting responsibility doesn't seem to even be a consideration. 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 10, 2019, 02:02:16 PM
If anybody spots Dublin7 can they ask him what he thought of the above incidents as like the rest of us he was outraged at what McCann did yesterday.

Nauseating and hypocritical sanctimony (from d7), don't depend on hearing from him any time soon.*

*Not a defence of Mc Cann's actions in the slightest.

I do apologise for not replying earlier. I do have other things to do. For what it's worth Philly McMahon incident was clear and he should have been suspended. O'Gara didn't do anything wrong if you actually look back on the video and not just a still frame. Why people automatically point to other incidents to somehow justify McCann's actions doesn't make it any better and not much of a defence.

Sadly you just know Tyrone (like majority of GAA clubs/counties) have lawyers on speed dial so if the GAA do hand down a large suspension to McCann they will appeal it on some nonsensical technicality.

There have been dicipline issues on Tyrone teams over the years from the cynical fouling/diving to incidents like this. Harte should have stamped it out, but chose not to.

O'Gara was clear as day and worse than the McMahon one.

Sweep, sweep.

So it seems Tiernan McCann's defence is going to be go on the attack. Accepting responsibility doesn't seem to even be a consideration.

There's no defending what McCann did. He was bang out of order.

I was just bringing your faux indignation out when you never commented about your own players committed worse acts.

If you condemned O'Gara and McMahon at the time then please feel free to retrieve those posts.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 10, 2019, 02:11:28 PM
Every County has a responsibility to the GAA to accept when they've done wrong and react accordingly.
However the GAA have a responsibility to treat every incident irrespective of what Counties are involved, what TV channel it's on, the profile of the competition etc with a degree of consistency. That's not always the case.
Supporters have a responsibility to remember these are amateur lads, that make mistakes, and although they should not be free from condemnation, it should be measured.
So far McCann has had trial by BBC live, RTE live, the papers, The Sunday Game and social media.

Saying that, I think in these high profile, clear cut examples, the Tyrone CB should get ahead of the PR and release and statement early, 'Tiarnan regrets his actions, apologises to the player etc etc and will accept any charge that's forthcoming', and mean it.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: J70 on June 10, 2019, 02:45:23 PM
Have Tyrone CB, Mickey Harte, or McCann himself said anything on the incident?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2019, 02:46:29 PM
It's times like this you'd almost miss Syf and his anti-Tyrone tirades.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 10, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
Have Tyrone CB, Mickey Harte, or McCann himself said anything on the incident?

Don't think so.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: under the bar on June 10, 2019, 04:24:17 PM
From one angle it looks like McMenamin feels McCann’s hand near his face and then tries to bite his fingers?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: southtyronegael on June 10, 2019, 05:03:24 PM
From one angle it looks like McMenamin feels McCann’s hand near his face and then tries to bite his fingers?
yeah you can clearly see Mc menamin grab Mc canns hand try to bite his 2 fingers off.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyCake on June 10, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Have Tyrone CB, Mickey Harte, or McCann himself said anything on the incident?

Don't think so.

And you won’t be hearing anything either.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 10, 2019, 06:26:14 PM
Have Tyrone CB, Mickey Harte, or McCann himself said anything on the incident?

Don't think so.

And you won’t be hearing anything either.

Serious question - has a county team manager or player ever came out and commented officially on an incident before any investigation or CCCC enquiry? Is this a thing that happens?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Look-Up! on June 10, 2019, 07:14:54 PM
From one angle it looks like McMenamin feels McCann’s hand near his face and then tries to bite his fingers?

Wouldn't have had to try too hard if that was his motive. McCann did most of the spade work for him 😂😂😂
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 10, 2019, 07:22:05 PM
Was there ever the same clamour for Jim Gavin to come out and condemn Philly McMahon or Johnny Cooper?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: From the Bunker on June 10, 2019, 08:05:55 PM
Was there ever the same clamour for Jim Gavin to come out and condemn Philly McMahon or Johnny Cooper?

Jim Gavin has war medals .......




Where as Mickey Harte has miraculous medals.

 
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2019, 08:20:53 PM
Was there ever the same clamour for Jim Gavin to come out and condemn Philly McMahon or Johnny Cooper?

Has there ever been as much deflection
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 08:21:47 PM
Was there ever the same clamour for Jim Gavin to come out and condemn Philly McMahon or Johnny Cooper?

Jim Gavin has war medals .......




Where as Mickey Harte has miraculous medals.
Ah cmon FTB, that was clearly fancy dress.

The bunny ears an obvious giveaway!
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 10, 2019, 08:22:33 PM

It happened very quickly, so hard to gauge if there was that kind of intent!

Kinda a stupid and weird thing to do but hardly cause for the hysterical language banging around.

Marty clark said it was the worst thing he'd seen in any sport....wtf is he talking about.

Intent? He was intent in hurting the player he couldn't catch and had literally run around him. Just watch the sequence of play before the incident.

I have read outrage at this action but not hysteria.  However, hysteria would be much better than normalising this type of behaviour on the football field whether it is this 'weird thing to do' or O'Rourke's healthy and manly thumping.

So he was fired up and intent on getting the ball back?? That's exactly what supporters managers and teammates expect from players. U never been in a changing room before a match?

Ive read hysteria by the bucketload phrases like "sheer savagery" prompts Tarantinio imagery
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 10, 2019, 09:11:36 PM
Did he think that the ball was in McMenamin's mouth??
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 10, 2019, 10:19:35 PM
It a dirty action. Nearly everone agrees. Though that clown angelo tries to bring up ever previous incidents as to lessen the actual offence. Though be the day we get a county manager who makes his player sit out games for conduct like this. Instead of waiting for croke park to react. The so called head stamp accidental.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Paudi Meehan on June 11, 2019, 12:34:27 PM

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0610/1054433-styles-make-fights-as-tyrone-walk-into-donegal-trap/

Gives Tyrone too much credit
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 01:07:02 PM
It a dirty action. Nearly everone agrees. Though that clown angelo tries to bring up ever previous incidents as to lessen the actual offence. Though be the day we get a county manager who makes his player sit out games for conduct like this. Instead of waiting for croke park to react. The so called head stamp accidental.

I'm not lessening the action. You do seem to have a problem with balance however.

It was wrong, needless, stupid, trampish and he should get s good ban for it (but the rules say otherwise).

The hysteria is a bit much. McCann deserves the criticism he gets but there are plenty of other players from other counties who get away with worse without any of the scrutiny. Some of them have a longer rapsheet than McCann and play for counties every bit as high profile as Tyrone.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 11, 2019, 01:07:48 PM

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0610/1054433-styles-make-fights-as-tyrone-walk-into-donegal-trap/

Gives Tyrone too much credit

Does he? Fairly accurate analysis i'd say.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 11, 2019, 01:18:23 PM
Funny I would say it's fairly close to the mark. There's a lack of man markers like we've had in the past in the vein of Ricey, Gormley, hell even a Mickey McGee would be valuable now. Someone who can stick tight to a man and meet every ball coming in to try and make them 50 50 balls.
Our ability to tackle a man running with the ball(Either along side him or facing him) is poor. The amount of half arsed tackles, missed shoulders etc at men running through the defense on Sat was atrocious. Stand up, arms out and take the hit to slow the man down. Turn him back on himself to take the momentum out of the run. (I know it's easier said that done if you have a Michael Murphy charging at you but the guys need to be prepared to put themselves on the line to slow the attack). The likes of Jordan could play football and break at speed but when it came to it, he could take a hit as well.   
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 02:19:04 PM
It a dirty action. Nearly everone agrees. Though that clown angelo tries to bring up ever previous incidents as to lessen the actual offence. Though be the day we get a county manager who makes his player sit out games for conduct like this. Instead of waiting for croke park to react. The so called head stamp accidental.

I'm not lessening the action. You do seem to have a problem with balance however.

It was wrong, needless, stupid, trampish and he should get s good ban for it (but the rules say otherwise).

The hysteria is a bit much. McCann deserves the criticism he gets but there are plenty of other players from other counties who get away with worse without any of the scrutiny. Some of them have a longer rapsheet than McCann and play for counties every bit as high profile as Tyrone.

Not that many have a longer rapsheet to be fair. What's that old saying "not his first rodeo".
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 02:43:28 PM
It a dirty action. Nearly everone agrees. Though that clown angelo tries to bring up ever previous incidents as to lessen the actual offence. Though be the day we get a county manager who makes his player sit out games for conduct like this. Instead of waiting for croke park to react. The so called head stamp accidental.

I'm not lessening the action. You do seem to have a problem with balance however.

It was wrong, needless, stupid, trampish and he should get s good ban for it (but the rules say otherwise).

The hysteria is a bit much. McCann deserves the criticism he gets but there are plenty of other players from other counties who get away with worse without any of the scrutiny. Some of them have a longer rapsheet than McCann and play for counties every bit as high profile as Tyrone.

Not that many have a longer rapsheet to be fair. What's that old saying "not his first rodeo".

There'd be quite a few in the current All Ireland Champions.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 02:47:11 PM
I don't think there would be at all. I'm not from either place.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Keyser soze on June 11, 2019, 02:52:02 PM
Funny I would say it's fairly close to the mark. There's a lack of man markers like we've had in the past in the vein of Ricey, Gormley, hell even a Mickey McGee would be valuable now. Someone who can stick tight to a man and meet every ball coming in to try and make them 50 50 balls.
Our ability to tackle a man running with the ball(Either along side him or facing him) is poor. The amount of half arsed tackles, missed shoulders etc at men running through the defense on Sat was atrocious. Stand up, arms out and take the hit to slow the man down. Turn him back on himself to take the momentum out of the run. (I know it's easier said that done if you have a Michael Murphy charging at you but the guys need to be prepared to put themselves on the line to slow the attack). The likes of Jordan could play football and break at speed but when it came to it, he could take a hit as well.   

Hadda laugh at Brolly on saturday night, prior to the game he was talking about Mickey belatedly releasing all these quality individual players from the straightjacket which had held them back form realising their potential over the years. By half time he was criticizing him for not having  a defensive enough set up.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 03:40:16 PM
I don't think there would be at all. I'm not from either place.

You probably don't think so because they are rarely highlighted.

In Jim Gavin's tenure, Dublin have been involved in:

2 biting allegations ( O'Brien and O'Gara)
A mass brawl behind a closed door challenge match (Armagh)
2 gouging incidents (O'Gara and McMahon)
2 incidents of simulation to get a player sent off (Cooper on McManus, McMahon on O'Shea)
Cooper leaving his foot in Diarmuid O'Connor was as malicious an act I've seen on a football field in years too
Connolly shoving a match official
Various other incidents of cynically closing matches out by instigating mini brawls

Among other indiscretions.

I don't think Dublin are a particularly dirty team but they are well equipped in the dark arts, thuggery and violence. Most of these matters are generally glossed over though and never held against them.

But the inconsistent reporting and narrative around different teams engaging in similar acts does tend to have an impact on the way teams are portrayed.

From a Tyrone perspective if you look at how we are perceived and how McCann has been vilified, there may be merit to it. When you look at how we are perceived and McCann is portrayed in relation to the actions of other counties and their players then we are certainly entitled to draw grievances.

Would anyone ever suggest Jim Gavin sends his players out to bite, dive, and gouge their opponents? Would anyone suggest he sends his players out to physically interfere with match officials?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 11, 2019, 03:46:53 PM
Funny I would say it's fairly close to the mark. There's a lack of man markers like we've had in the past in the vein of Ricey, Gormley, hell even a Mickey McGee would be valuable now. Someone who can stick tight to a man and meet every ball coming in to try and make them 50 50 balls.
Our ability to tackle a man running with the ball(Either along side him or facing him) is poor. The amount of half arsed tackles, missed shoulders etc at men running through the defense on Sat was atrocious. Stand up, arms out and take the hit to slow the man down. Turn him back on himself to take the momentum out of the run. (I know it's easier said that done if you have a Michael Murphy charging at you but the guys need to be prepared to put themselves on the line to slow the attack). The likes of Jordan could play football and break at speed but when it came to it, he could take a hit as well.   

Hadda laugh at Brolly on saturday night, prior to the game he was talking about Mickey belatedly releasing all these quality individual players from the straightjacket which had held them back form realising their potential over the years. By half time he was criticizing him for not having  a defensive enough set up.

Joanne Cantwell missed a trick not pulling him up on it, I didn't see it but I heard he was slating Galway prior to the match for their negative tactics/system which is the same system Donegal used to dismantle Tyrone.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 04:03:41 PM
Funny I would say it's fairly close to the mark. There's a lack of man markers like we've had in the past in the vein of Ricey, Gormley, hell even a Mickey McGee would be valuable now. Someone who can stick tight to a man and meet every ball coming in to try and make them 50 50 balls.
Our ability to tackle a man running with the ball(Either along side him or facing him) is poor. The amount of half arsed tackles, missed shoulders etc at men running through the defense on Sat was atrocious. Stand up, arms out and take the hit to slow the man down. Turn him back on himself to take the momentum out of the run. (I know it's easier said that done if you have a Michael Murphy charging at you but the guys need to be prepared to put themselves on the line to slow the attack). The likes of Jordan could play football and break at speed but when it came to it, he could take a hit as well.   

Hadda laugh at Brolly on saturday night, prior to the game he was talking about Mickey belatedly releasing all these quality individual players from the straightjacket which had held them back form realising their potential over the years. By half time he was criticizing him for not having  a defensive enough set up.

Joanne Cantwell missed a trick not pulling him up on it, I didn't see it but I heard he was slating Galway prior to the match for their negative tactics/system which is the same system Donegal used to dismantle Tyrone.

There's some nonsense spouted about how certain counties are being held back by management. Galway have came on leaps and bounds under Walsh. They owe that to a system which masks their weaknesses. Tyrone's weaknesses were borne out on Saturday with the tactics they played. A similar fate would befall Galway were they to listen to Brolly and co.

Brolly's constant barbs at Fermanagh are utterly disrespectful and nasty. I think Fermanagh have done extremely well in that time and they play in a way that allows them compete to their optimum level.

Brolly and O'Rourke just want lesser sides to go out and be a punching bag for the likes of Kerry and Dublin.

There's no onus on a team to entertain, it's competitive sport and teams have a right to play whatever way they want and feels gives them the best basis to succeed.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 11, 2019, 04:22:31 PM
I don't think there would be at all. I'm not from either place.

You probably don't think so because they are rarely highlighted.

In Jim Gavin's tenure, Dublin have been involved in:

2 biting allegations ( O'Brien and O'Gara)
A mass brawl behind a closed door challenge match (Armagh)
2 gouging incidents (O'Gara and McMahon)
2 incidents of simulation to get a player sent off (Cooper on McManus, McMahon on O'Shea)
Cooper leaving his foot in Diarmuid O'Connor was as malicious an act I've seen on a football field in years too
Connolly shoving a match official
Various other incidents of cynically closing matches out by instigating mini brawls

Among other indiscretions.

I don't think Dublin are a particularly dirty team but they are well equipped in the dark arts, thuggery and violence. Most of these matters are generally glossed over though and never held against them.

But the inconsistent reporting and narrative around different teams engaging in similar acts does tend to have an impact on the way teams are portrayed.

From a Tyrone perspective if you look at how we are perceived and how McCann has been vilified, there may be merit to it. When you look at how we are perceived and McCann is portrayed in relation to the actions of other counties and their players then we are certainly entitled to draw grievances.

Would anyone ever suggest Jim Gavin sends his players out to bite, dive, and gouge their opponents? Would anyone suggest he sends his players out to physically interfere with match officials?

Connolly hardly shoved the match official and there was a hell of a lot of condemnation of him especially from the Sunday game.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 04:35:43 PM
Also Connolly is now gone and not through his own making it would appear.

Any which way it's about McCann (Cooper isn't great and I forgot about him) but there is an awful lot of excusing being done here.

I do condemn but is not really a condemnation...
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

Whataboutery bis important in terms of balance.

Some people don't want balance.

McCann did wrong, not many Tyrone supporters here will deny or excuse that but not for the first time it feels like Tyrone and a Tyrone player has been made the fall guy for a wider issue.

Was Jim Gavin ever asked to come out and condemn the actions of a Dublin player?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 04:50:59 PM
I don't think there would be at all. I'm not from either place.

You probably don't think so because they are rarely highlighted.

In Jim Gavin's tenure, Dublin have been involved in:

2 biting allegations ( O'Brien and O'Gara)
A mass brawl behind a closed door challenge match (Armagh)
2 gouging incidents (O'Gara and McMahon)
2 incidents of simulation to get a player sent off (Cooper on McManus, McMahon on O'Shea)
Cooper leaving his foot in Diarmuid O'Connor was as malicious an act I've seen on a football field in years too
Connolly shoving a match official
Various other incidents of cynically closing matches out by instigating mini brawls

Among other indiscretions.

I don't think Dublin are a particularly dirty team but they are well equipped in the dark arts, thuggery and violence. Most of these matters are generally glossed over though and never held against them.

But the inconsistent reporting and narrative around different teams engaging in similar acts does tend to have an impact on the way teams are portrayed.

From a Tyrone perspective if you look at how we are perceived and how McCann has been vilified, there may be merit to it. When you look at how we are perceived and McCann is portrayed in relation to the actions of other counties and their players then we are certainly entitled to draw grievances.

Would anyone ever suggest Jim Gavin sends his players out to bite, dive, and gouge their opponents? Would anyone suggest he sends his players out to physically interfere with match officials?

Connolly hardly shoved the match official and there was a hell of a lot of condemnation of him especially from the Sunday game.

I thought the furore only Connolly was over the top but it didn't stick with Dublin. Different narratives for different teams.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Dire Ear on June 11, 2019, 04:58:56 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 05:02:30 PM
I don't think there would be at all. I'm not from either place.

You probably don't think so because they are rarely highlighted.

In Jim Gavin's tenure, Dublin have been involved in:

2 biting allegations ( O'Brien and O'Gara)
A mass brawl behind a closed door challenge match (Armagh)
2 gouging incidents (O'Gara and McMahon)
2 incidents of simulation to get a player sent off (Cooper on McManus, McMahon on O'Shea)
Cooper leaving his foot in Diarmuid O'Connor was as malicious an act I've seen on a football field in years too
Connolly shoving a match official
Various other incidents of cynically closing matches out by instigating mini brawls

Among other indiscretions.

I don't think Dublin are a particularly dirty team but they are well equipped in the dark arts, thuggery and violence. Most of these matters are generally glossed over though and never held against them.

But the inconsistent reporting and narrative around different teams engaging in similar acts does tend to have an impact on the way teams are portrayed.

From a Tyrone perspective if you look at how we are perceived and how McCann has been vilified, there may be merit to it. When you look at how we are perceived and McCann is portrayed in relation to the actions of other counties and their players then we are certainly entitled to draw grievances.

Would anyone ever suggest Jim Gavin sends his players out to bite, dive, and gouge their opponents? Would anyone suggest he sends his players out to physically interfere with match officials?

Connolly hardly shoved the match official and there was a hell of a lot of condemnation of him especially from the Sunday game.

I thought the furore only Connolly was over the top but it didn't stick with Dublin. Different narratives for different teams.

He doesn't play for them any more?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 11, 2019, 06:37:47 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

in other words..... "think how I tell you to think"......

Begs the question tho if you find it all mind numbing why keep coming back for more?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: dublin7 on June 11, 2019, 07:23:26 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

in other words..... "think how I tell you to think"......

Begs the question tho if you find it all mind numbing why keep coming back for more?
To be fair it's amazing how McCann is somehow now being considered a victim in all this . Tiernan must be used to to all the negative attention now though. This is not the 1st time he's been down this road. His defenders keep saying he's not that type of player. The no of shall we say incidents he's been involved in over the years would make you question their opinion.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 11, 2019, 08:32:12 PM
I don't think there would be at all. I'm not from either place.

You probably don't think so because they are rarely highlighted.

In Jim Gavin's tenure, Dublin have been involved in:

2 biting allegations ( O'Brien and O'Gara)
A mass brawl behind a closed door challenge match (Armagh)
2 gouging incidents (O'Gara and McMahon)
2 incidents of simulation to get a player sent off (Cooper on McManus, McMahon on O'Shea)
Cooper leaving his foot in Diarmuid O'Connor was as malicious an act I've seen on a football field in years too
Connolly shoving a match official
Various other incidents of cynically closing matches out by instigating mini brawls

Among other indiscretions.

I don't think Dublin are a particularly dirty team but they are well equipped in the dark arts, thuggery and violence. Most of these matters are generally glossed over though and never held against them.

But the inconsistent reporting and narrative around different teams engaging in similar acts does tend to have an impact on the way teams are portrayed.

From a Tyrone perspective if you look at how we are perceived and how McCann has been vilified, there may be merit to it. When you look at how we are perceived and McCann is portrayed in relation to the actions of other counties and their players then we are certainly entitled to draw grievances.

Would anyone ever suggest Jim Gavin sends his players out to bite, dive, and gouge their opponents? Would anyone suggest he sends his players out to physically interfere with match officials?

Connolly hardly shoved the match official and there was a hell of a lot of condemnation of him especially from the Sunday game.

I thought the furore only Connolly was over the top but it didn't stick with Dublin. Different narratives for different teams.
He got a 12 week ban ffs.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 11, 2019, 08:32:57 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

in other words..... "think how I tell you to think"......

Begs the question tho if you find it all mind numbing why keep coming back for more?
To be fair it's amazing how McCann is somehow now being considered a victim in all this . Tiernan must be used to to all the negative attention now though. This is not the 1st time he's been down this road. His defenders keep saying he's not that type of player. The no of shall we say incidents he's been involved in over the years would make you question their opinion.

Apart from hairgate what other incidents?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 09:03:46 PM
I don't think there would be at all. I'm not from either place.

You probably don't think so because they are rarely highlighted.

In Jim Gavin's tenure, Dublin have been involved in:

2 biting allegations ( O'Brien and O'Gara)
A mass brawl behind a closed door challenge match (Armagh)
2 gouging incidents (O'Gara and McMahon)
2 incidents of simulation to get a player sent off (Cooper on McManus, McMahon on O'Shea)
Cooper leaving his foot in Diarmuid O'Connor was as malicious an act I've seen on a football field in years too
Connolly shoving a match official
Various other incidents of cynically closing matches out by instigating mini brawls

Among other indiscretions.

I don't think Dublin are a particularly dirty team but they are well equipped in the dark arts, thuggery and violence. Most of these matters are generally glossed over though and never held against them.

But the inconsistent reporting and narrative around different teams engaging in similar acts does tend to have an impact on the way teams are portrayed.

From a Tyrone perspective if you look at how we are perceived and how McCann has been vilified, there may be merit to it. When you look at how we are perceived and McCann is portrayed in relation to the actions of other counties and their players then we are certainly entitled to draw grievances.

Would anyone ever suggest Jim Gavin sends his players out to bite, dive, and gouge their opponents? Would anyone suggest he sends his players out to physically interfere with match officials?

Connolly hardly shoved the match official and there was a hell of a lot of condemnation of him especially from the Sunday game.

I thought the furore only Connolly was over the top but it didn't stick with Dublin. Different narratives for different teams.
He got a 12 week ban ffs.

It wasn't used as a stick to beat Dublin with the next time they transgressed. No bad smells there.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 09:35:10 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

Whataboutery bis important in terms of balance.

Some people don't want balance.


Thank you, you make my point for me.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 09:52:23 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 11, 2019, 09:52:46 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

Whataboutery bis important in terms of balance.

Some people don't want balance.


Thank you, you make my point for me.

In other words..... "thats a good point but I ill play to the gallery cos I cant argue against it" 
::)
very mature
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 11, 2019, 10:02:29 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.


Your attitude to Tyrone has not changed since when exactly? 2003 & 2005 make no difference at all  ;)

Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents? Its the basis of law and science

Following your subjective (or anyone else's) perception of an event is far more flawed, and your indignation that people dont do so smacks of arrogance
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 11:34:53 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.

Only in your head is justification happening.

What McCann did was wrong, indefensibe - I'm having to repeat myself again as you're ignoring what's in front of you.

There is another aspect here though, many other players have done the wrong and indefensibe, some of them are repeat offenders but depending of the jersey they wear seems to decide whether they are vilified or not for those actions.

You call it whataboutery, I call it balance.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 11, 2019, 11:36:29 PM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.

Whataboutery bis important in terms of balance.

Some people don't want balance.


Thank you, you make my point for me.

Your point is that you want to talk out both sides of your mouth. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 11:58:52 PM
Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 12, 2019, 12:08:10 AM
Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 12, 2019, 07:14:06 AM
Wouldn't it be great if some posters could just accept their player was wrong any time one of them committed an unacceptable act and then did not engage in endless, mind numbing whataboutery.

We are all intelligent enough to see every incident for what it is without acres of any thread taken up with quote after quote of attempted justification of the unjustifiable and endless attempts at point scoring or ad hominem attacks.
You're very bitter against Tyrone,  what happened?

My attitude to Tyrone has not changed.

This post is not about Tyrone, it is equally applicable to all those engaged in whataboutery regarding unacceptable behaviour of players, mostly in this thread some Tyrone and Dublin posters and the battling posts being used to justify one action by pointing out another was as bad or worse.


Your attitude to Tyrone has not changed since when exactly? 2003 & 2005 make no difference at all  ;)

Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents? Its the basis of law and science

Following your subjective (or anyone else's) perception of an event is far more flawed, and your indignation that people dont do so smacks of arrogance

You are aware football existed before 2003 right?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 12, 2019, 09:08:14 AM
Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?

When you have to ask those questions you have lost your way and any argument.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: omaghjoe on June 12, 2019, 02:26:25 PM
Anyway...
How can you gauge the level of "badness" of an incident on a football field if you dont compare it to other incidents?

Very simply, by the lack of decency, the degree of violence, the harm or injury inflicted and the absence of sportsmanship to name a few baselines or comparators.

No other comparisons to similar bad acts are needed. It is purely down to knowledge of what is right and wrong during a sporting competition.

Your proving my point as what youve proposed is totally subjective......  nevermind putting a quantitative measure on them but what does"lack of decency" and "absence of sportsmanship" objectively translate too?

When you have to ask those questions you have lost your way and any argument.

Eh no... when one stops discussing the point and resort to telling g the other person in the discussion they have lost the argument is exactly the point that one has lost the argument
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on June 12, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
Tyrone fans coming across as very gracious in defeat.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: southtyronegael on June 12, 2019, 03:26:28 PM
Someone close this thread for god's sake.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: trueblue1234 on June 14, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
Decision on McCann. About right IMO. Hope Tyrone accept and move on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/gaelic-games/48623026?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=facebook&ns_campaign=the_bbc_championship&ns_linkname=northern_ireland&fbclid=IwAR35HuyH8_tpq0n0i6Vi4jYXJdr_0vp4fvuv3bCSZ7f6IHLG9nmq81uyJFk

Tyrone's Tiernan McCann has been handed a proposed two-match ban by GAA disciplinary bosses following the controversial incident in the Ulster SFC semi-final defeat by Donegal.

TV pictures showed McCann's right hand making contact with the mouth of Stephen McMenamin and also appearing to step on the Donegal man's neck.

Referee David Gough did not see the incident, but the CCCC reviewed it.

The ruling relates to both offences, with the bans to run concurrently.

The two-match penalty is understood to have been proposed by the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee and the player now has the option of accepting the sanction or appealing against it.

The Tyrone player appeared to attempt to wrest McMenamin's gum shield out of his mouth as the Donegal player was on his back on the Kingspan Breffni turf and the Killyclogher man then seemed to catch the defender's neck with a boot.

BBC Sport Northern Ireland GAA Championship pundit Oisin McConville described McCann's behaviour as "inexcusable", adding that GAA bosses were "bound to take a look at it".

McConville's fellow BBC analyst Martin Clarke also described the incident as "not a good look".

If McCann's proposed sanction does remain in place, he will miss Tyrone's All-Ireland qualifier against Longford at Pearse Park on Saturday, 22 June.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Sandy Hill on June 14, 2019, 11:48:50 AM
So he has in effect just a one match ban?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyrone08 on June 14, 2019, 11:57:46 AM
So he has in effect just a one match ban?

Going by previous punishments for more serious incidents a one match ban was all he could have received but somehow he got a 2 match man. Regardless of the fact that he is injured it is still a 2 match ban.   
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: smelmoth on June 14, 2019, 02:58:20 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: under the bar on June 14, 2019, 07:18:56 PM
Two match ban more than enough.  Let's all laugh at the the ass-holes who were calling for a season long ban
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on June 14, 2019, 07:25:03 PM
Two match ban more than enough.  Let's all laugh at the the ass-holes who were calling for a season long ban

What an unusual take. Hardly a Tyrone fan?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Square Ball on June 14, 2019, 07:32:15 PM
Think a two game ban is a disgrace, sends out the wrong message, should have been longer and used as a deterrent for the future from
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: smelmoth on June 14, 2019, 08:05:16 PM
Not sure if what the disciplinary rules are. Maybe 2 games is all he could have got. If he is out injured then it’s all immaterial.

Would love to hear his account of it all. Clearly the intentional attempt to remove the opponent’s gum shield. He goes for it pretty quickly in the incident so its obviously something he has thought about and thinks is acceptable. What is going on the man’s mind??
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: barelegs on June 14, 2019, 08:19:58 PM
Under the rules as they stand the most he could get for the finger in the mouth was one game. Two games for a stamp. Done for both. Concurrent punishments. There was never any chance of him getting any more.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tyrone08 on June 14, 2019, 09:26:36 PM
Under the rules as they stand the most he could get for the finger in the mouth was one game. Two games for a stamp. Done for both. Concurrent punishments. There was never any chance of him getting any more.

Agreed. People shouting about life time bans are a joke. I ask anyone which is a more severe incident. Philly McMahon viciously poking the star in the eye or McCann trying to remove a player gun shield?

Also if you watch the video at normal speed it was hard man Ryan McHugh who pushed McCann which caused him to stand on the donegal player
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: hardstation on June 14, 2019, 09:34:18 PM
2 games is about right. Should it be more to attempt to cut out shitty behaviour? Probably. They’d need to get it in the book first though. The rules & sanctions become lost in mass hysteria.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Wildweasel74 on June 15, 2019, 12:21:14 AM
Same Suspension as as Darren Hughes. What is worst.? The same action in rugby gets an automatic 12wks. The Gaa Rules need an overhaul
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Over the Bar on June 15, 2019, 12:42:19 AM
Same Suspension as as Darren Hughes. What is worst.? The same action in rugby gets an automatic 12wks. The Gaa Rules need an overhaul

Neither are worse than the Ciaran Whelan's trademark of punching his opponent in the jaw from behind while he was going up for the throw in but, being a Dub, he never got a retrospective ban for such cowardly acts even tho they were caught on TV. Overhaul needs to start at HQ.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: weejim on June 15, 2019, 01:25:53 AM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: screenexile on June 15, 2019, 01:58:34 AM
Same Suspension as as Darren Hughes. What is worst.? The same action in rugby gets an automatic 12wks. The Gaa Rules need an overhaul

Neither are worse than the Ciaran Whelan's trademark of punching his opponent in the jaw from behind while he was going up for the throw in but, being a Dub, he never got a retrospective ban for such cowardly acts even tho they were caught on TV. Overhaul needs to start at HQ.

Yes!! Let’s bring up incidents from 10 years ago that have absolutely no relevance in this case...

 ::) ::)
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Armagh18 on June 15, 2019, 02:07:54 AM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Over the Bar on June 15, 2019, 02:18:04 AM
Same Suspension as as Darren Hughes. What is worst.? The same action in rugby gets an automatic 12wks. The Gaa Rules need an overhaul

Neither are worse than the Ciaran Whelan's trademark of punching his opponent in the jaw from behind while he was going up for the throw in but, being a Dub, he never got a retrospective ban for such cowardly acts even tho they were caught on TV. Overhaul needs to start at HQ.

Yes!! Let’s bring up incidents from 10 years ago that have absolutely no relevance in this case...

 ::) ::)
We're discussing retrospective punishment for otherwise red card incidents caught on camera. Seems perfectly relevant.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: imtommygunn on June 15, 2019, 08:49:38 AM
Sure McMenamin took his hand and put it in his mouth according to you ;D
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Boycey on June 15, 2019, 11:13:21 AM
Same Suspension as as Darren Hughes. What is worst.? The same action in rugby gets an automatic 12wks. The Gaa Rules need an overhaul

Its not the same suspension as Darren Hughes, Hughes has gotten TWO MONTHS....
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 12:09:31 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on June 15, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: tonto1888 on June 15, 2019, 04:10:19 PM
So he has in effect just a one match ban?

Going by previous punishments for more serious incidents a one match ban was all he could have received but somehow he got a 2 match man. Regardless of the fact that he is injured it is still a 2 match ban.

If Longford pulled off a massive upset what would be the next game he would miss?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: delgany on June 15, 2019, 04:34:46 PM
Ulster SFC 2020
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: dublin7 on June 15, 2019, 04:56:49 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Anyone can lose the head and lash out at someone, but what kind of animal has a defensless person on the ground and decides to stick their hand in his mouth? That's on another level
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 05:01:13 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Anyone can lose the head and lash out at someone, but what kind of animal has a defensless person on the ground and decides to stick their hand in his mouth? That's on another level

What kind of animal boxes a man in the jaw?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: dublin7 on June 15, 2019, 05:19:36 PM
As I pointed out in my previous post anyone can have a moment of madness and lash out. What has to go through someone's head though to gouge someone? That's not normal.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: nrico2006 on June 15, 2019, 05:24:19 PM
As I pointed out in my previous post anyone can have a moment of madness and lash out. What has to go through someone's head though to gouge someone? That's not normal.

The same thing that goes through someone's head to box someone.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 05:32:15 PM
As I pointed out in my previous post anyone can have a moment of madness and lash out. What has to go through someone's head though to gouge someone? That's not normal.

What's go through someone's head to box someone in the jaw?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyHarp on June 15, 2019, 06:04:43 PM
I know a guy who got a box on the mouth from behind during a game and got both front teeth knocked out. Over the years it has cost him thousands of pounds in dental fees. I bet he wished that guy had tried to stick his fingers in his mouth that day. I’d be fairly sure he wouldn’t have been able to remove his two front teeth. But sure it’s manly to punch someone in the mouth and that’s the most important thing.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 15, 2019, 07:48:33 PM
I know a guy who got a box on the mouth from behind during a game and got both front teeth knocked out. Over the years it has cost him thousands of pounds in dental fees. I bet he wished that guy had tried to stick his fingers in his mouth that day. I’d be fairly sure he wouldn’t have been able to remove his two front teeth. But sure it’s manly to punch someone in the mouth and that’s the most important thing.

I've always found it odd in a sporting context and GAA particularly that there is some sort of honour in boxing an opponent in the face but huge outrage at stuff like diving, verbals, spitting, gouging, fish hooking which generally won't have anywhere near as serious of consequences.

Think I read something a few years back about a club footballer, might have been Mayo, who was blinded in one eye for life after a punch to the face.

Lads off work for weeks and having their meals through a straw with their jaws wired up, broken noses, permanent scarring, black eyes, missing teeth, cheekbones smashed, concussions but it's accepted as part of the game yet the outrage at lesser incidents.

And that's no defence of McCann either, what he did was trampish and has no place of a football pitch but perspective is lost on some people.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: nrico2006 on June 15, 2019, 09:00:45 PM
I know a guy who got a box on the mouth from behind during a game and got both front teeth knocked out. Over the years it has cost him thousands of pounds in dental fees. I bet he wished that guy had tried to stick his fingers in his mouth that day. I’d be fairly sure he wouldn’t have been able to remove his two front teeth. But sure it’s manly to punch someone in the mouth and that’s the most important thing.

I've always found it odd in a sporting context and GAA particularly that there is some sort of honour in boxing an opponent in the face but huge outrage at stuff like diving, verbals, spitting, gouging, fish hooking which generally won't have anywhere near as serious of consequences.

Think I read something a few years back about a club footballer, might have been Mayo, who was blinded in one eye for life after a punch to the face.

Lads off work for weeks and having their meals through a straw with their jaws wired up, broken noses, permanent scarring, black eyes, missing teeth, cheekbones smashed, concussions but it's accepted as part of the game yet the outrage at lesser incidents.

And that's no defence of McCann either, what he did was trampish and has no place of a football pitch but perspective is lost on some people.

Best post on this thread.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on June 16, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 16, 2019, 01:13:37 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Jesus Christ.

Once again, someone is completely missing the point. How many more times will people gloss over the fact that I have said multiple times on here that what McCann did was wrong and indefensible?

I'm commenting on some of the idiots on here who have expressed their outrage at it but seemingly don't seem to have the same outrage when a player is boxed in the face, if I had the choice of someone sticking the fingers in my mouth when I was on the ground or having my meals through a straw for 6 weeks with my jaw wired up then I think I'd have a pretty good idea of which act is the most dangerous and the certainly the most outrageous.

The point is fairly evident if you can read. Boxing a lad in the face is far more dangerous than gouging, diving, spitting, biting, fish hooking etc. It's far more likely to inflict damage on you and potentially lead to life changing consequences but despite that it seems to be far more excusable and acceptable in the GAA world than the aforementioned acts.

We've had a number of posters on here condemning the cowardly nature of what McCann did (I have no qualms wit that) while on the other hand excusing and championing lads boxing each other in the face as some sort of manly and courageous act.

In terms of a hierarchy of offences, punching an opponent in the face is about as malevolent and dangerous as it gets on a sporting pitch yet a large number of posters and pundits seem to excuse that action.

Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 16, 2019, 03:42:42 PM

I've always found it odd in a sporting context and GAA particularly that there is some sort of honour in boxing an opponent in the face but huge outrage at stuff like diving, verbals, spitting, gouging, fish hooking which generally won't have anywhere near as serious of consequences.

Think I read something a few years back about a club footballer, might have been Mayo, who was blinded in one eye for life after a punch to the face.

Lads off work for weeks and having their meals through a straw with their jaws wired up, broken noses, permanent scarring, black eyes, missing teeth, cheekbones smashed, concussions but it's accepted as part of the game yet the outrage at lesser incidents.

And that's no defence of McCann either, what he did was trampish and has no place of a football pitch but perspective is lost on some people.

Well said!

Any form of actual bodily harm and grievous bodily harm on the sports field must be condemned and dealt with by appropriate rules and penalties.

The problem is two fold.  As highlighted above, certain elements of violence causing actual body harm and even grievous bodily harm are considered to be manly and an element of GAA sports which should be expected.  Too many such incidents are often lauded and worn as a badge of honour.  Secondly, the rule book has not differentiated types of ABH and GBH that should receive appropriate but graduated penalties as found in other sports such as rugby.

GAA rulebook can lean on the legal definitions of ABH and GBH to provide appropriate penalties and needs revision in this area much more than the tinkering with the rules of the game.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: greatpoint on June 16, 2019, 05:26:11 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Jesus Christ.

Once again, someone is completely missing the point. How many more times will people gloss over the fact that I have said multiple times on here that what McCann did was wrong and indefensible?

I'm commenting on some of the idiots on here who have expressed their outrage at it but seemingly don't seem to have the same outrage when a player is boxed in the face, if I had the choice of someone sticking the fingers in my mouth when I was on the ground or having my meals through a straw for 6 weeks with my jaw wired up then I think I'd have a pretty good idea of which act is the most dangerous and the certainly the most outrageous.

The point is fairly evident if you can read. Boxing a lad in the face is far more dangerous than gouging, diving, spitting, biting, fish hooking etc. It's far more likely to inflict damage on you and potentially lead to life changing consequences but despite that it seems to be far more excusable and acceptable in the GAA world than the aforementioned acts.

We've had a number of posters on here condemning the cowardly nature of what McCann did (I have no qualms wit that) while on the other hand excusing and championing lads boxing each other in the face as some sort of manly and courageous act.

In terms of a hierarchy of offences, punching an opponent in the face is about as malevolent and dangerous as it gets on a sporting pitch yet a large number of posters and pundits seem to excuse that action.

Once again these things that you are attributing to other posters, I did not say. They are not of any relevance to me. Why don’t you actually respond to what I have said to you?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: In hiding on June 16, 2019, 05:54:49 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Jesus Christ.

Once again, someone is completely missing the point. How many more times will people gloss over the fact that I have said multiple times on here that what McCann did was wrong and indefensible?

I'm commenting on some of the idiots on here who have expressed their outrage at it but seemingly don't seem to have the same outrage when a player is boxed in the face, if I had the choice of someone sticking the fingers in my mouth when I was on the ground or having my meals through a straw for 6 weeks with my jaw wired up then I think I'd have a pretty good idea of which act is the most dangerous and the certainly the most outrageous.

The point is fairly evident if you can read. Boxing a lad in the face is far more dangerous than gouging, diving, spitting, biting, fish hooking etc. It's far more likely to inflict damage on you and potentially lead to life changing consequences but despite that it seems to be far more excusable and acceptable in the GAA world than the aforementioned acts.

We've had a number of posters on here condemning the cowardly nature of what McCann did (I have no qualms wit that) while on the other hand excusing and championing lads boxing each other in the face as some sort of manly and courageous act.

In terms of a hierarchy of offences, punching an opponent in the face is about as malevolent and dangerous as it gets on a sporting pitch yet a large number of posters and pundits seem to excuse that action.

Once again these things that you are attributing to other posters, I did not say. They are not of any relevance to me. Why don’t you actually respond to what I have said to you?
[/
quote]

Bomber old chap this is becoming a habit with you
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 16, 2019, 06:10:50 PM
Anybody any clue what McCann was at??

Putting 2 fingers inside another players mouth is a very specific and targeted action. It hard to imagine that it was just made up on the spot. Was he trying to get the gum shield out and engineer a bite mark on his finger?

Irrespective of what punishment the rule book permits the incident is troubling and reflects very badly on the lad

maybe he was provoked?....  there was a a lot of sledging/goading/thrash talking goin on in Donegal fullback line   esp first half
If he’s provoked that badly then hit the man a box in the jaw or else f**k up and play the game. No excuse for that cowardly act when a mans lying on the ground.

Good thing there aren’t any Tyrone fans trying to excuse or justify what he did I suppose.

Sticking his fingers in his mouth is cowardly but boxing him in the jaw is excusable?

That's a very suspect moral ground. Punching someone in the jaw is as trampish as it gets.

I never said either was excusable, perhaps you replied to the wrong person?

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw. You seem fairly blinkered though.

I did quote the wrong post. The reply before that was the one I was referring to.

I would rather have an opponent stick their gloves fingers in my mouth than having a 14 stone athlete box me in the jaw. I would rather be spat on, bit or sledged than being boxed in the jaw. The consequences of those actions are unpleasant but nowhere near as dangerous and likely to have long lasting consequences than a box in the jaw.

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did. In your first reply to me you referred to how "trampish" you considered the act of punching someone and in your very next reply you've switched to talking about the danger and long term consequences of it. What is it exactly you're trying to say?

There are plenty of acts in sports that could be considered "trampish' but not particularly dangerous, and the inherent danger of an act isn't the only parameter that determines the punishment. I'm sure you understand this already though.

Jesus Christ.

Once again, someone is completely missing the point. How many more times will people gloss over the fact that I have said multiple times on here that what McCann did was wrong and indefensible?

I'm commenting on some of the idiots on here who have expressed their outrage at it but seemingly don't seem to have the same outrage when a player is boxed in the face, if I had the choice of someone sticking the fingers in my mouth when I was on the ground or having my meals through a straw for 6 weeks with my jaw wired up then I think I'd have a pretty good idea of which act is the most dangerous and the certainly the most outrageous.

The point is fairly evident if you can read. Boxing a lad in the face is far more dangerous than gouging, diving, spitting, biting, fish hooking etc. It's far more likely to inflict damage on you and potentially lead to life changing consequences but despite that it seems to be far more excusable and acceptable in the GAA world than the aforementioned acts.

We've had a number of posters on here condemning the cowardly nature of what McCann did (I have no qualms wit that) while on the other hand excusing and championing lads boxing each other in the face as some sort of manly and courageous act.

In terms of a hierarchy of offences, punching an opponent in the face is about as malevolent and dangerous as it gets on a sporting pitch yet a large number of posters and pundits seem to excuse that action.

Once again these things that you are attributing to other posters, I did not say. They are not of any relevance to me. Why don’t you actually respond to what I have said to you?

Well that is bizarre in the extreme as you are contradicting yourself and you don't seem to be asking anything that I haven't already answered. Let's back up over the exchange.

You said:

Just because for some reason you'd be happy enough with someone gouging, biting, or spitting on you doesn't diminish what McCann did.

Never have I defended the actions of McCann in this thread, from my very first post on this issue to my last - I have condemned his actions as wrong, indefensible and trampish so it's utterly bizarre you're saying I'm defending him or those actions. Violent behaviour has no place on a football pitch but there's far worse accepted in the game than those.

You also said this:

By the way I suspect the majority of GAA supporters would consider the act of gouging another player as they lie on the ground a more "trampish" act than openly punching an opponent in the jaw.

And see my earlier post regarding thoughts on this. The most trampish and the most dangerous thing you can do on a football pitch is box someone in the face, it's the most cowardly act you can commit. The fact that this seems more acceptable on a GAA pitch than gouging, verbals, diving, spitting etc (which are quite rightly condemned across the board) is something that is inherently wrong in the GAA. When you have an idiot like Colm O'Rourke consistently talking up the manliness of punching someone in the face (and never met with contention) then it's something that will always seem to be accepted in the game.

And it's hard to square up the outrage regarding incidents like McCann (which have merit) when punching someone in the face is downplayed or championed by the GAA community.

Now maybe you'll finally address why it gets up your back so much than claiming punching someone in the face and head on a GAA pitch is more negligent, violent, dangerous and trampish than spitting, gouging, diving verbals etc?



Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: smelmoth on June 16, 2019, 07:24:50 PM
For the record I think that as a sport we do need to crack down on punches. I don’t think players consent to being punched and I’m happy for those throwing punches to face criminal charges.

An aside about punches is that there are players that are quite prepared to throw punches and even to engineer circumstances where punching would be considered to a certain audience legitimate. Other players don’t have this view but lose control and end up throwing punches. I don’t excuse their behaviour and their lack of discipline and self control should be rightly punished.

Tiernan McCann’s actions are strange and in my experience unique. Hence I ask what his motivations and intent were. It’s inarguably the case that he engages in the very targeted action to attempting to remove the gum shield. The speed with which he triggers those actions makes it impossible to believe that the action is premeditated (that he will do it or at least attempt to do it should the opportunity arise). If he has thought about it and decided to proceed then he believes the action to be acceptable. So my question remains - what is going on in his head?
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: BennyCake on June 16, 2019, 07:38:56 PM
I remember saying back in 2011, when Connolly got his ban overturned after clearly striking the Donegal player in the throat, that all strikes/contact to the head and neck should be a straight red.

Players knew they couldn’t throw a punch, but they now grab by the throat, neck or face. Or in examples like Connolly, striking in the throat. And in most occasions, players are receiving no punishment for doing so.

We need to follow soccers example. Any contact with the head or neck area, straight red, no question. Player safety is paramount.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: lenny on June 16, 2019, 08:28:37 PM
For the record I think that as a sport we do need to crack down on punches. I don’t think players consent to being punched and I’m happy for those throwing punches to face criminal charges.

An aside about punches is that there are players that are quite prepared to throw punches and even to engineer circumstances where punching would be considered to a certain audience legitimate. Other players don’t have this view but lose control and end up throwing punches. I don’t excuse their behaviour and their lack of discipline and self control should be rightly punished.

Tiernan McCann’s actions are strange and in my experience unique. Hence I ask what his motivations and intent were. It’s inarguably the case that he engages in the very targeted action to attempting to remove the gum shield. The speed with which he triggers those actions makes it impossible to believe that the action is premeditated (that he will do it or at least attempt to do it should the opportunity arise). If he has thought about it and decided to proceed then he believes the action to be acceptable. So my question remains - what is going on in his head?

He first makes contact with the Donegal players eye. I think he was trying to gouge his eye but the Donegal players movement meant that McCann ends up grabbing his mouth. We’ll never know but that’s the way I saw it and I’ve yet to be convinced otherwise. I also think deliberately gouging another players eye should be a lifetime ban. In this case it obviously couldn’t be proven that he tried to gouge but that looked like his intention to me.
Title: Re: 2019 USFC SF Dún na nGall vs Tír Eoghain, Breffni, Saturday 8th June @5pm
Post by: Angelo on June 16, 2019, 09:41:17 PM
For the record I think that as a sport we do need to crack down on punches. I don’t think players consent to being punched and I’m happy for those throwing punches to face criminal charges.

An aside about punches is that there are players that are quite prepared to throw punches and even to engineer circumstances where punching would be considered to a certain audience legitimate. Other players don’t have this view but lose control and end up throwing punches. I don’t excuse their behaviour and their lack of discipline and self control should be rightly punished.

Tiernan McCann’s actions are strange and in my experience unique. Hence I ask what his motivations and intent were. It’s inarguably the case that he engages in the very targeted action to attempting to remove the gum shield. The speed with which he triggers those actions makes it impossible to believe that the action is premeditated (that he will do it or at least attempt to do it should the opportunity arise). If he has thought about it and decided to proceed then he believes the action to be acceptable. So my question remains - what is going on in his head?

He first makes contact with the Donegal players eye. I think he was trying to gouge his eye but the Donegal players movement meant that McCann ends up grabbing his mouth. We’ll never know but that’s the way I saw it and I’ve yet to be convinced otherwise. I also think deliberately gouging another players eye should be a lifetime ban. In this case it obviously couldn’t be proven that he tried to gouge but that looked like his intention to me.

If deliberately gouging an opponent's eye should be a lifetime ban, what should deliberately striking an opponent in the face be?