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Title: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2019, 01:45:27 PM
A open draw to take place this Monday the 27th of May

16 teams in round 1

Leitrim
Monaghan
Down
Derry
Antrim or Tyrone
Fermanagh or Donegal
Tipperary
Waterford
Offaly
Wexford
Louth or Dublin
Longford or Kildare
Carlow or Meath
Laois v Westmeath
London
Wicklow

Games to be played June 8th.


Round 2

Eight round 1 winners v the eight beaten provincial semi finalists (draw takes place June 10th)

Games to be played June 22nd


Round 3

Draw between the eight winners (draw takes place June 24th)

Games to be played June 29th

Round 4

Four beaten provincial finalists v the four round 4 winners (draw takes place July 1st)

Game to be played July 6th or 7th



- Every match in the qualifiers is a winner on the day. Extra time and a penalty competition if required.

- Draws are subject to repeat pairings 

- Div 3,4 teams will get home advantage in round 1, 2 and 3 if drawn against a Div 1 or 2 team.

- Round 4 games played in neutral venues

- Home venues shall be subject to approval by the CCCC and shall meet the criteria set down by the  national health and safety committee (brought in this year to make sure HQ aren't embarrassed by another Newbridge or no where scenario)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on May 22, 2019, 02:29:58 PM
A open draw to take place this Monday the 27th of May

16 teams in round 1

Leitrim
Monaghan
Down
Derry
Antrim or Tyrone
Fermanagh or Donegal
Tipperary
Waterford
Offaly
Wexford
Louth or Dublin
Longford or Kildare
Carlow or Meath
Laois v Westmeath
London
Wicklow

Games to be played June 8th.


Round 2

Eight round 1 winners v the eight beaten provincial finalists (draw takes place June 10th)

Games to be played June 22nd


Round 3

Draw between the eight winners (draw takes place June 24th)

Games to be played June 29th

Round 4

Four beaten provincial finalists v the four round 4 winners (draw takes place July 1st)

Game to be played July 6th or 7th



- Every match in the qualifiers is a winner on the day. Extra time and a penalty competition if required.

- Draws are subject to repeat pairings 

- Div 3,4 teams will get home advantage in round 1, 2 and 3 if drawn against a Div 1 or 2 team.

- Round 4 games played in neutral venues

- Home venues shall be subject to approval by the CCCC and shall meet the criteria set down by the  national health and safety committee (brought in this year to make sure HQ aren't embarrassed by another Newbridge or no where scenario)

Correction:

Round 2

Eight round 1 winners v the eight beaten provincial semi-finalists (draw takes place June 10th)

Games to be played June 22nd
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: dec on May 22, 2019, 02:35:05 PM
Extra time and a penalty competition if required.

Is this new this year?
Have there been any games before settled this way?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2019, 02:44:51 PM

Correction:

Round 2

Eight round 1 winners v the eight beaten provincial semi-finalists (draw takes place June 10th)

Games to be played June 22nd

Well spotted.



Is this new this year?
Have there been any games before settled this way?

I think so. A few Connacht FBD games was settled that way back in January
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on May 22, 2019, 02:58:03 PM
A big difference in the penalty shoot-out is what happens if level after 5 penalties taken by each team.  The GAA way will be to have the same 5 penalty takers take the sudden death penalties, although they can be in a different order.

Also, only the 5 penalty takers can be on the pitch from a team - all other players (including a sub keeper), managers, maor foirne, maor uisce, physios and so on must be in their team's sideline area.  I presume linesmen will be tasked with keeping them in place.  Will be interesting if a penalty taker starts to suffer from cramp and cannot receive attention.

I predict chaos and the local radio commentaries could be eventful as well.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: dec on May 22, 2019, 03:01:14 PM



Is this new this year?
Have there been any games before settled this way?

I think so. A few Connacht FBD games was settled that way back in January

I think I would prefer a point shooting contest, maybe from 35-40m out.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on May 22, 2019, 03:23:13 PM
That was the way last year but decided to switch to penalties this year.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on May 22, 2019, 04:51:51 PM
Penalty f**king shootout? That’s ridiculous. There will be no penalty shootouts for an AI semi or final, you can be sure of that. No, it’s a replay, cha-ching!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: timmyot501 on May 22, 2019, 05:36:42 PM
is it goals only in the penalty shoot-out??  If its 4-4 and team 1 miss can the last guy just tap it over the bar for the win??
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2019, 05:37:21 PM
Penalty f**king shootout? That’s ridiculous. There will be no penalty shootouts for an AI semi or final, you can be sure of that. No, it’s a replay, cha-ching!

AI final will go to replay if level after 70 mins. AI semi finals will have extra time and if level after that its a replay.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on May 22, 2019, 05:45:41 PM
is it goals only in the penalty shoot-out??  If its 4-4 and team 1 miss can the last guy just tap it over the bar for the win??
No.
Goals only I believe.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Crete Boom on May 22, 2019, 06:01:35 PM
why not a 45 taking shout out like in the hurling, it would be more interesting?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on May 22, 2019, 07:38:30 PM
Hurling will use penalties as well.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on May 22, 2019, 10:37:50 PM

16 teams in round 1

Leitrim
Monaghan
Down
Derry
Antrim or Tyrone
Fermanagh or Donegal
Tipperary
Waterford
Offaly
Wexford
Louth or Dublin
Longford or Kildare
Carlow or Meath
Laois v Westmeath
London
Wicklow


Looking at the overall performances of the teams from Division 3 and Division 4 this year, you'd nearly swear these teams were doing their best to strengthen the case for a 2nd tier.

Leitrim - Division 4
Monaghan - Division 1
Down - Division 3
Derry - Division 4
Antrim or Tyrone  - Division 4 or Division 1
Fermanagh or Donegal - Division 2 or Division 2
Tipperary - Division 2
Waterford  - Division 4
Offaly - Division 3
Wexford  - Division 4
Louth or Dublin - Division 3 or Division 1
Longford or Kildare - Division 3 or Division 2
Carlow or Meath - Division 3 or Division 2
Laois v Westmeath - Division 3 or Division 3
London  - Division 4
Wicklow - Division 4

At the moment 8 out of the bottom 16 in the league this year are confirmed to be in the first round of the qualifiers.

Limerick are still in the championship proper due to their win over Tipperary.
Sligo were always going to avoid the first round of the qualifiers due to the nature of the Connacht provincial draw. They will be in round 2 after a 13 point loss to Galway.
One of Laois and Westmeath will be in the first round of the qualifiers and one won't as the draw pitted them against each other.

Antrim will be in the first round of the qualifiers if they don't beat Tyrone - 1/200 to qualify for the next round
Carlow will be in the first round of the qualifiers if they don't beat Meath - 1/10 to qualify for the next round
Longford will be in the first round of the qualifiers if they don't beat Kildare - 3/10 to qualify for the next round
Louth will be in the first round of the qualifiers if they don't beat Dublin - No odds for Dublin qualifying for the next round - Dublin 1/100 to win

So most likely looking at a situation where 13 of the 16 teams from Division 3 and Division 4 will be in the first round of the qualifiers.
Of the remaining 3 teams, 2 (Sligo and one of Laois or Westmeath) were never going to be there because of the way the provincial draws went, with Limerick being the only one who avoided the first round of the qualifiers due to their performance on the pitch.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on May 22, 2019, 11:34:28 PM
Quote
Looking at the overall performances of the teams from Division 3 and Division 4 this year, you'd nearly swear these teams were doing their best to strengthen the case for a 2nd tier


Results you mean instead of performances? as Offaly,London,Wicklow,Derry,Limerick delivered competitive performances against higher ranked sides this summer.   
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: The Boy Wonder on May 22, 2019, 11:42:00 PM


Looking at the overall performances of the teams from Division 3 and Division 4 this year, you'd nearly swear these teams were doing their best to strengthen the case for a 2nd tier.

At the moment 8 out of the bottom 16 in the league this year are confirmed to be in the first round of the qualifiers.


None of the 8 teams that you mention would find themselves in Round 1 of the qualifiers had they been lucky enough to get a bye to Provincial Semi-Final as Sligo did this year and Roscommon last year. Also, because of the Provincial imbalance you will always have more Leinster and Ulster counties in Round 1.

Kerry and Cork enter the Munster Championship at semi-final stage this year so could never enter Round 1 Qualifiers.
Using the makeup of Round 1 Qualifiers is very shaky ground as an arguement for a 2nd tier.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 23, 2019, 09:32:40 AM


Looking at the overall performances of the teams from Division 3 and Division 4 this year, you'd nearly swear these teams were doing their best to strengthen the case for a 2nd tier.

At the moment 8 out of the bottom 16 in the league this year are confirmed to be in the first round of the qualifiers.


None of the 8 teams that you mention would find themselves in Round 1 of the qualifiers had they been lucky enough to get a bye to Provincial Semi-Final as Sligo did this year and Roscommon last year. Also, because of the Provincial imbalance you will always have more Leinster and Ulster counties in Round 1.

Kerry and Cork enter the Munster Championship at semi-final stage this year so could never enter Round 1 Qualifiers.
Using the makeup of Round 1 Qualifiers is very shaky ground as an arguement for a 2nd tier.
Be kind, he is only trying to do Martin Breheny's job for him.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 23, 2019, 11:23:12 AM
So Sligo who haven't won a match are in Round 2 of the qualifiers. Whereas Kildare, Meath, Louth who have all won a match could lose on Sunday and find themselves in Round 1 of the qualifiers. How can people defend the AI structures?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: magpie seanie on May 23, 2019, 12:10:07 PM
So Sligo who haven't own a match are in Round 2 of the qualifiers. Whereas Kildare, Meath, Louth who have all won a match could lose on Sunday and find themselves in Round 1 of the qualifiers. How can people defend the AI structures?


And we've a 5 week wait so it'll mean we've had one game in 13 weeks facing a team that has had at least 2 and possibly 3 in the previous 7 weeks.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on May 25, 2019, 10:13:07 PM
Much craic in here?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 25, 2019, 10:26:36 PM
Much craic in here?

Same as 16, 17 and 18 I suppose.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on May 25, 2019, 11:52:32 PM
Much craic in here?

Same as 16, 17 and 18 I suppose.

Don't worry lads the GAA will fix it that Mayo makes the Super Duper 8's this year. Jez, the lads in Headquarters nearly had a heart-attack when Kildare knocked us out last year. The Super Duper 8's were put in place to squeeze the last drop out of the Mayo supporter.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 26, 2019, 08:10:38 PM
Christ Bunker, what's your agenda? Hq bashing?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on May 26, 2019, 08:34:30 PM
Christ Bunker, what's your agenda? Hq bashing?

Yes! Get the blinkers off!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Esmarelda on May 26, 2019, 10:07:12 PM
Yeah remember that time they let Dublin play their Super 8 game against Tyrone in Croke Park...........
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on May 26, 2019, 10:44:22 PM
Yeah remember that time they let Dublin play their Super 8 game against Tyrone in Croke Park...........

Ye play one championship game away from home in the guts of 15 years. And ye think we should all say how great ye are that ye did that!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Esmarelda on May 26, 2019, 11:02:19 PM
Yeah remember that time they let Dublin play their Super 8 game against Tyrone in Croke Park...........

Ye play one championship game away from home in the guts of 15 years. And ye think we should all say how great ye are that ye did that!
I think you know the point I was making. You were awfully vocal about how it wouldn't be allowed happen until it happened of course. Now it's going to be fixed that Mayo enter the last eight.  ;D
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: moysider on May 27, 2019, 12:41:29 AM
Yeah remember that time they let Dublin play their Super 8 game against Tyrone in Croke Park...........

Ye play one championship game away from home in the guts of 15 years. And ye think we should all say how great ye are that ye did that!
I think you know the point I was making. You were awfully vocal about how it wouldn't be allowed happen until it happened of course. Now it's going to be fixed that Mayo enter the last eight.  ;D

Lol. Croke Park might want Mayo in super8s but you can be sure Mayo will do their best not to get there!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on May 27, 2019, 08:47:55 AM
Louth v Antrim

Tipperary v Down

Leitrim v Wicklow

Wexford v Derry

Offaly v London

Monaghan v Fermanagh

Carlow v Kildare/Longford

Westmeath v Waterford
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on May 27, 2019, 09:11:21 AM
Louth v Antrim

Tipperary v Down

Leitrim v Wicklow

Wexford v Derry

Offaly v London

Monaghan v Fermanagh

Carlow v Kildare/Longford

Westmeath v Waterford

Tough draw for the loser of kildare/Longford, they'll only have a week turn around
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Orior on May 27, 2019, 09:14:23 AM
Glad to see that we'll quickly get rid of Fermanagh style of football.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on May 27, 2019, 09:23:18 AM
Louth v Antrim

Tipperary v Down

Leitrim v Wicklow

Wexford v Derry

Offaly v London

Monaghan v Fermanagh

Carlow v Kildare/Longford

Westmeath v Waterford

Great spread of games. I suppose this is what the 'B' Competition would look like down the line? You can only just imagine the excitement that these games would generate. Sky would be beating the door down to do coverage!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on May 27, 2019, 10:05:50 AM
Balls. Was hoping for London away.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on May 27, 2019, 10:18:58 AM
Glad to see that we'll quickly get rid of Fermanagh style of football.

Yup, and of Robinson Crusoe on the sideline.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on May 27, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
Louth v Antrim

Tipperary v Down

Leitrim v Wicklow

Wexford v Derry

Offaly v London

Monaghan v Fermanagh

Carlow v Kildare/Longford

Westmeath v Waterford

Great spread of games. I suppose this is what the 'B' Competition would look like down the line? You can only just imagine the excitement that these games would generate. Sky would be beating the door down to do coverage!

If it's Monaghan/Fermanagh v Mayo round 2 tie it should generate plenty of coverage.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on May 27, 2019, 12:56:03 PM
Louth v Antrim

Tipperary v Down

Leitrim v Wicklow

Wexford v Derry

Offaly v London

Monaghan v Fermanagh

Carlow v Kildare/Longford

Westmeath v Waterford

Great spread of games. I suppose this is what the 'B' Competition would look like down the line? You can only just imagine the excitement that these games would generate. Sky would be beating the door down to do coverage!

If it's Monaghan/Fermanagh v Mayo round 2 tie it should generate plenty of coverage.

Would you get a fixture like that in the 'B' Competition?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: lenny on May 27, 2019, 02:45:18 PM
Louth v Antrim

Tipperary v Down

Leitrim v Wicklow

Wexford v Derry

Offaly v London

Monaghan v Fermanagh

Carlow v Kildare/Longford

Westmeath v Waterford

Great spread of games. I suppose this is what the 'B' Competition would look like down the line? You can only just imagine the excitement that these games would generate. Sky would be beating the door down to do coverage!

I'm sure the players would look forward to games where they have a chance of winning instead of matches where they are trying to keep the score down and restrict the margin to single figures. Getting on tv might be the ambition of some players but I'd say most of the antrim or louth players couldn't have enjoyed their weekend gaa experience even though they got themselves seen on tv. Intermediate and junior club players don't get much tv or media coverage but it doesn't stop them training hard, being dedicated and enjoying the experience at the level that suits their ability with the added bonus of success now and again (or at least hope of getting success).
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on May 27, 2019, 05:21:57 PM
Louth v Antrim

Tipperary v Down

Leitrim v Wicklow

Wexford v Derry

Offaly v London

Monaghan v Fermanagh

Carlow v Kildare/Longford

Westmeath v Waterford

Great spread of games. I suppose this is what the 'B' Competition would look like down the line? You can only just imagine the excitement that these games would generate. Sky would be beating the door down to do coverage!

I'm sure the players would look forward to games where they have a chance of winning instead of matches where they are trying to keep the score down and restrict the margin to single figures. Getting on tv might be the ambition of some players but I'd say most of the antrim or louth players couldn't have enjoyed their weekend gaa experience even though they got themselves seen on tv. Intermediate and junior club players don't get much tv or media coverage but it doesn't stop them training hard, being dedicated and enjoying the experience at the level that suits their ability with the added bonus of success now and again (or at least hope of getting success).

That line has a Railway Cup feel to it!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on May 27, 2019, 05:35:13 PM
Only one(maybe two) of those games looks to be a shoe in. Should be more competitive than some of the games last weekend. Antrim and Louth pitted against each other after the hammerings last weekend.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on May 28, 2019, 04:04:16 PM
Saturday 8 June

Offaly v London, Tullamore, 1.30pm
Leitrim v Wicklow, Carrick-on-Shannon, 3pm
Wexford v Derry, Innovate Wexford Park, 4.45pm
Louth v Antrim, Gaelic Grounds, Drogheda, 7pm

Sunday 9 June

Down v Tipperary, Páirc Esler, Newry, 2pm
Monaghan v Fermanagh, St Tiernach’s Park, Clones, 1.45pm
Carlow v Kildare/Longford, Netwatch Cullen Park, Carlow, 3pm
Westmeath v Waterford, TEG Cusack Park, Mullingar, 3pm
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: omagh_gael on May 28, 2019, 04:11:16 PM
So Sligo who haven't won a match are in Round 2 of the qualifiers. Whereas Kildare, Meath, Louth who have all won a match could lose on Sunday and find themselves in Round 1 of the qualifiers. How can people defend the AI structures?

Even better than that Tyrone, after beating Derry and Antrim, could find themselves in round 2 with Sligo!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on May 28, 2019, 04:15:44 PM
So Sligo who haven't won a match are in Round 2 of the qualifiers. Whereas Kildare, Meath, Louth who have all won a match could lose on Sunday and find themselves in Round 1 of the qualifiers. How can people defend the AI structures?

Even better than that Tyrone, after beating Derry and Antrim, could find themselves in round 2 with Sligo!

Been sayin this for years... a team that is in a small weak province is already at at advantage yet the qualifier system instead of leveling the playing field gives them an even bigger advantage
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Jayop on May 28, 2019, 04:40:44 PM
It is a load of guff, but in fairness if Tyrone do manage to find themselves in R1/2 of the qualifiers then they really should be beating anyone else that's in that stage most years. You'd need to be pretty unlucky as a D1 county to end up playing another D1 in these rounds, especially R1.

In this years 1st round you have
D1 1 team - Monaghan
D2 2/3 teams - depending on whether Kildare are there
D3 5/6 teams depending on Longford
D4 7 teams

If Tyrone/Donegal managed to lose either of their 1st round games or a prelim then only a game against Monaghan which is a 1/15 shot would put them in any serious danger.

In this years 2nd round
Whoever loses our game (Tyrone V Donegal) will play one of the winners from the round 1 qualifiers. Again, only Monaghan would scare you.  Had one of those teams came through from round 1 it could be a different matter with a 1/8 change of playing the likes of Mayo.

Most likely it will be the 8 R1 winners playing from (Tyrone or Donegal), (Kildare or Longford), Laois, Limerick, Clare, (Armagh or Cavan).

Should be pretty easy to pick winners from all the potential ties you'll get apart from Monaghan.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 08, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
What's the deal with home and away in round 2? Is it the losing semi finalists that get home advantage?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: oakleaf93 on June 08, 2019, 12:19:18 PM
What's the deal with home and away in round 2? Is it the losing semi finalists that get home advantage?
Another draw is made to determine home and away unless its a division 3/4 team against a team from division 1/2 then the lower ranked team gets home advantage.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2019, 03:03:52 PM
The first of the round 1 games over and 10 point win for Offaly.  FT Offaly 1-21 London 1-11
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2019, 03:42:10 PM
Half time in Carrick on Shannon Leitrim 0-7 Wicklow 0-7

Full time Leitrim 0-15 Wicklow 0-13
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: armaghniac on June 08, 2019, 05:50:51 PM
Half time in Carrick on Shannon Leitrim 0-7 Wicklow 0-7

Full time Leitrim 0-15 Wicklow 0-13

Another defeat for Leinster.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 08, 2019, 06:18:47 PM
Derry stroll into round 2.  Wexford 0-10 Derry 4-16
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: armaghniac on June 08, 2019, 06:41:43 PM
Perhaps Derry will draw Tyrone again.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 08, 2019, 06:49:49 PM
Teams in the hat for Round 2

Pot A - Round 1 Winners
Derry
Leitrim
Offaly
Louth/Antrim
Monaghan/Fermanagh
Down/Tipperary
Westmeath/Waterford
Carlow/Longford

Pot B -Losing provincial semi-finalists
Sligo
Mayo
Limerick
Clare
Tyrone
Dublin/Kildare
Meath/Laois
Cavan/Armagh

Teams Done for the Year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on June 08, 2019, 06:54:15 PM
Derry stroll into round 2.  Wexford 0-10 Derry 4-16

But tiers will stop one sided games?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 08, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
Derry stroll into round 2.  Wexford 0-10 Derry 4-16

But tiers will stop one sided games?

I would imagine literally no-one has claimed this.

What it is extremely likely to do is reduce the number of one-sided games.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: giveballaghback on June 08, 2019, 07:59:35 PM
Derry stroll into round 2.  Wexford 0-10 Derry 4-16

But tiers will stop one sided games?
Proof that one sided games can and do happen from teams at the same level.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 08, 2019, 08:40:58 PM
I would have put the house on Louth beating Antrim.

Good for them - a fine win
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 08, 2019, 09:05:13 PM
Surprising result there alright.
Wad it 11-3 in the second half?
Fitter team or the one with more interest ??
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: illdecide on June 08, 2019, 10:29:56 PM
Louth had 2 men sent off I believe...
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 08, 2019, 10:32:02 PM
They were both reasonably late on though. Good win. Hoping for a decent draw.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: larryin89 on June 09, 2019, 12:03:30 AM
Where will Antrim play as home ground ?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 09, 2019, 12:10:48 AM
Where will Antrim play as home ground ?
Longford
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on June 09, 2019, 12:34:31 AM
Wouldn't fancy going up to Derry for our qualifier. Think them and the winner of Monaghan/Fermanagh are the ones to avoid.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Gold on June 09, 2019, 01:04:29 AM
They were both reasonably late on though. Good win. Hoping for a decent draw.

Please god

Super 8s here we come!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: moysider on June 09, 2019, 01:51:03 AM
Wouldn't fancy going up to Derry for our qualifier. Think them and the winner of Monaghan/Fermanagh are the ones to avoid.

Any of those would probably be curtains.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 09, 2019, 08:34:24 AM
Where will Antrim play as home ground ?
Longford
If they get Mayo let's hope they don't play there. Can't recall any good result for any Mayo team there down the year's.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 09, 2019, 02:25:07 PM
HT Monaghan 0-6 Fermanagh 1-2. Home side lead after finding themselves 1-1 to no score behind with 14 mins played.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Schkite on June 09, 2019, 03:29:07 PM
Monaghan eke out the war of attrition. Poor performance but the result is all that matters against Fermanagh, hard to look good against. Huge amount of work to do and it's a tough draw tomorrow.

They're bad losers today, finished with 12 men and Quigley was throwing boxes after the final whistle aswell.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 09, 2019, 03:37:09 PM
Current news

Longford 1-05
Carlow 0-05

Half time
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 09, 2019, 07:53:06 PM
Monaghan eke out the war of attrition. Poor performance but the result is all that matters against Fermanagh, hard to look good against. Huge amount of work to do and it's a tough draw tomorrow.

They're bad losers today, finished with 12 men and Quigley was throwing boxes after the final whistle aswell.

Remind me why Beggan got booked today
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 09, 2019, 08:01:11 PM
Didn't travel to Carlow - thankfully. Longford had 18 wides and still won by 10!

Carlow are just an appalling side to play against. Judging by the commentary the game had the atmosphere of a League match.

We have a good chance of a home fixture against a big boy. Love to roll out the welcome mat for Mayo or Tyrone.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: maldini on June 09, 2019, 08:04:07 PM
When are the next round of qualifiers?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 09, 2019, 08:04:39 PM
The 8 teams finished for the year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Waterford
Louth
Fermanagh
Tipperary
Carlow

McLoughlin gone from Wexford, with a serious shot accross the bows of the County Board - you have to wonder what the difference in the spend on the footballers v the hurlers is given Davy and co don't exactly come cheap.

Be surprised if Evans in Tipp manages to hang on - between the Limerick game, getting relegated and the 2nd half performance it feels very much like the end of the road for him.

I think all the other managers are probably relatively safe although O'Brien and friends might come under a bit of pressure in Carlow.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on June 09, 2019, 08:05:20 PM
When are the next round of qualifiers?
2 weeks
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on June 09, 2019, 08:06:54 PM
The 8 teams finished for the year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Waterford
Louth
Fermanagh
Tipperary
Carlow

McLoughlin gone from Wexford, with a serious shot accross the bows of the County Board - you have to wonder what the difference in the spend on the footballers v the hurlers is given Davy and co don't exactly come cheap.

Be surprised if Evans in Tipp manages to hang on - between the Limerick game, getting relegated and the 2nd half performance it feels very much like the end of the road for him.

I think all the other managers are probably relatively safe although O'Brien and friends might come under a bit of pressure in Carlow.
Liam Kearns has resigned from Tipp
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 09, 2019, 08:08:06 PM
The 8 teams finished for the year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Waterford
Louth
Fermanagh
Tipperary
Carlow


7 of them getting just 2 games.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 09, 2019, 08:09:32 PM
The 8 teams finished for the year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Waterford
Louth
Fermanagh
Tipperary
Carlow

McLoughlin gone from Wexford, with a serious shot accross the bows of the County Board - you have to wonder what the difference in the spend on the footballers v the hurlers is given Davy and co don't exactly come cheap.

Be surprised if Evans Kearns in Tipp manages to hang on - between the Limerick game, getting relegated and the 2nd half performance it feels very much like the end of the road for him.

I think all the other managers are probably relatively safe although O'Brien and friends might come under a bit of pressure in Carlow.
Liam Kearns has resigned from Tipp

No surprise - be interesting to see who replaces him.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 09, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
The 8 teams finished for the year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Waterford
Louth
Fermanagh
Tipperary
Carlow

McLoughlin gone from Wexford, with a serious shot accross the bows of the County Board - you have to wonder what the difference in the spend on the footballers v the hurlers is given Davy and co don't exactly come cheap.

Be surprised if Evans in Tipp manages to hang on - between the Limerick game, getting relegated and the 2nd half performance it feels very much like the end of the road for him.

I think all the other managers are probably relatively safe although O'Brien and friends might come under a bit of pressure in Carlow.

Liam Kearns you mean?  stepped down after that game. Speaking of John Evans he has done 2 years with Wicklow now.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 09, 2019, 08:10:44 PM
Bowl 1

Leitrim, Down, Derry, Antrim, Longford, Westmeath, Offaly, Monaghan

Bowl 2

Sligo, Mayo, Armagh, Tyrone, Clare, Limerick, Kildare, Laois

Draw on RTE Radio1 at 8-30 pm tomorrow.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 09, 2019, 08:11:46 PM
Bowl 1

Leitrim, Down, Derry, Antrim, Longford, Westmeath, Offaly, Monaghan

Bowl 2

Sligo, Mayo, Armagh, Tyrone, Clare, Limerick, Kildare, Laois

Draw on RTE Radio1 at 8-30 pm tomorrow.

Antrim please. We will be away but it might be at home
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 09, 2019, 08:12:56 PM
Monaghan eke out the war of attrition. Poor performance but the result is all that matters against Fermanagh, hard to look good against. Huge amount of work to do and it's a tough draw tomorrow.

They're bad losers today, finished with 12 men and Quigley was throwing boxes after the final whistle as well.
Nice to administer some retribution on a cold dish, though it sounded like we are between standing still and making slow progress.
At least not moving further backwards.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 09, 2019, 08:15:42 PM
The 8 teams finished for the year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Waterford
Louth
Fermanagh
Tipperary
Carlow


7 of them getting just 2 games.

Deeley the London manager said more games would be one of the big pluses of a second tier.
He said one of the biggest things holding London from developing is constantly having 2/3 championship matches a year.

In terms of the club calendar be interesting to see when the various football club championships in those 8 counties kick off.


Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 09, 2019, 08:16:57 PM
The 8 teams finished for the year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Waterford
Louth
Fermanagh
Tipperary
Carlow

McLoughlin gone from Wexford, with a serious shot accross the bows of the County Board - you have to wonder what the difference in the spend on the footballers v the hurlers is given Davy and co don't exactly come cheap.

Be surprised if Evans in Tipp manages to hang on - between the Limerick game, getting relegated and the 2nd half performance it feels very much like the end of the road for him.

I think all the other managers are probably relatively safe although O'Brien and friends might come under a bit of pressure in Carlow.

Liam Kearns you mean?  stepped down after that game. Speaking of John Evans he has done 2 years with Wicklow now.

Yeah mixed up two of the outside Kerryman managers.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: FermGael on June 09, 2019, 08:21:32 PM
That was a game Fermanagh should have won.
We had amble chances to win it against a Monaghan team who were clearly not at the races.
We missed a penalty, had another goal chance butchered in the first half and hit several bad wides / dropped into the keepers arms in the second half.  The Monaghan goal at the end was a complete mess up and we only have ourselves to blame for not being in the next round.
Rory has done a good job with Fermanagh but he has to evolve the style of play. We play a system that is effective in keeping in games but ultimately this year it has failed to get us wins when we play teams at the top level (Armagh, Meath, Donegal and Monaghan). The Monaghan defence today was very shaky and if we would have committed a bit more to the attacking side of our game we would have won. We have good attackers who are not playing for the county and Rory needs to get them on board if we are to kick on.  The system we play is very restrictive and players need to be given a bit of freedom. 

Darren Hughes will be a loss for Monaghan in the qualifiers going forward as it was him that was sent from the field for Monaghan after getting involved with Fermanagh players while he was in the waterboy role. The Monaghan management were not impressed with him

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on June 09, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
Bowl 1

Leitrim, Down, Derry, Antrim, Longford, Westmeath, Offaly, Monaghan

Bowl 2

Sligo, Mayo, Armagh, Tyrone, Clare, Limerick, Kildare, Laois

Draw on RTE Radio1 at 8-30 pm tomorrow.

Bowl 2 teams will hope to avoid Monaghan.
Bowl 1 teams would hope for Sligo or limerick.

All things considered, six bowl 2 winners and two from bowl 1.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Schkite on June 09, 2019, 08:35:04 PM
Monaghan eke out the war of attrition. Poor performance but the result is all that matters against Fermanagh, hard to look good against. Huge amount of work to do and it's a tough draw tomorrow.

They're bad losers today, finished with 12 men and Quigley was throwing boxes after the final whistle as well.
Nice to administer some retribution on a cold dish, though it sounded like we are between standing still and making slow progress.
At least not moving further backwards.

Yeah we're not at the races at all yet. If we don't get a kind draw in the morning then we could be out on our arses with how we're going, but if I had one wish I just hope we get a non-Ulster team!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 09, 2019, 08:37:20 PM
The 8 teams finished for the year

London
Wicklow
Wexford
Waterford
Louth
Fermanagh
Tipperary
Carlow


7 of them getting just 2 games.

Deeley the London manager said more games would be one of the big pluses of a second tier.
He said one of the biggest things holding London from developing is constantly having 2/3 championship matches a year.

In terms of the club calendar be interesting to see when the various football club championships in those 8 counties kick off.

Got 7 games in Div 4 winning 1 and well beaten on Saturday by Offaly who only just avoided relegation to Div 4  this spring. I can imagine after 5 years that will be end of Deeley as London manager now.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 09, 2019, 08:49:53 PM
Are there any restrictions? For example can we get down again? Or Tyrone get Derry
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 09, 2019, 09:06:11 PM
Are there any restrictions? For example can we get down again? Or Tyrone get Derry

As far as i know no repeat pairings comes into play until round 3,4 so you can get Down again.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: larryin89 on June 09, 2019, 09:46:17 PM
Are there any restrictions? For example can we get down again? Or Tyrone get Derry

As far as i know no repeat pairings comes into play until round 3,4 so you can get Down again.

So if by some miracle we navigated our way through this to round 4 we can't  get Roscommon ,if they lost to Galway?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 09, 2019, 09:53:01 PM
It's definitely open in 1 and 2, probably 3 as well?
Rd 4 it's avoid repeats where feasable or some such wording.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 09, 2019, 10:54:29 PM
It's definitely open in 1 and 2, probably 3 as well?
Rd 4 it's avoid repeats where feasable or some such wording.

The wording is subject to the avoidance of repeat pairings and its in place for round 3 and 4.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 09, 2019, 11:02:21 PM
Darren Hughes will be a loss for Monaghan in the qualifiers going forward as it was him that was sent from the field for Monaghan after getting involved with Fermanagh players while he was in the waterboy role. The Monaghan management were not impressed with him
No doubt Darren's effective role as maor uisce  was a crucial one and Monaghan will have a difficult task to replace him. Nervous days lie ahead as who on earth can replace Darron should it be deemed necessary after an imposed sanction. Hmm, perhaps Monaghan could appeal such a sanction and aim to get Darren back on maor uisce duty "going forward".
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 09, 2019, 11:16:49 PM
Confusing your 'lay' and 'lie' there, gotta laugh!  ;D
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 09, 2019, 11:26:02 PM
Confusing your 'lay' and 'lie' there, gotta laugh!  ;D
No doubt laughs are in short supply, if you're that desperate.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 09, 2019, 11:29:40 PM
Tyronies lurking in the qualifier thread,   gotta laugh!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 09, 2019, 11:32:33 PM
Confusing your 'lay' and 'lie' there, gotta laugh!  ;D
No doubt laughs are in short supply, if you're that desperate.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: giveballaghback on June 10, 2019, 12:18:51 AM
Things not good in the Mayo camp I hear, coc has had a serious fall out with James Horan resulting in a divided camp. Shine gone off the league trophy already.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: larryin89 on June 10, 2019, 07:24:34 AM
Things not good in the Mayo camp I hear, coc has had a serious fall out with James Horan resulting in a divided camp. Shine gone off the league trophy already.

Connacht final on the horizon and you're still concerned about little old Mayo whom ye beat and people wonder why we are never out of the headlines , neutrals are fooking obsessed.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2019, 07:50:48 AM
Is the draw on RTE News Now channel?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: JoG2 on June 10, 2019, 07:55:03 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2019/0609/1054385-watch-all-ireland-sfc-qualifier-round-1-draw-live/
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 10, 2019, 08:42:46 AM
Westmeath v Limerick
Longford v Tyrone
Antrim v Kildare
Leitrim v Clare
Down v Mayo
Derry v Laois
Offaly v Sligo
Monaghan v Armagh

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 10, 2019, 08:44:22 AM
Short straw for Armagh.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2019, 08:44:59 AM
Short straw for Armagh.

Early exit. Save some money
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Schkite on June 10, 2019, 08:48:54 AM
At least it wasn't Tyrone or Mayo, but it's another Ulster team which I could've done without.

Could have been worse, could certainly have been better. Still a big improvement needed, at least it's in Clones.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2019, 08:59:24 AM
At least it wasn't Tyrone or Mayo, but it's another Ulster team which I could've done without.

Could have been worse, could certainly have been better. Still a big improvement needed, at least it's in Clones.

Is that definite?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 10, 2019, 09:01:15 AM
Shorter straw for down and longford.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 10, 2019, 09:02:54 AM
Armagh have every chance to beat Monaghan, if they can get themselves back up for it. Down at home to Mayo might be interesting too.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: armaghniac on June 10, 2019, 09:03:32 AM
Both Down and Longford need to exploit their home advantage.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: clarshack on June 10, 2019, 09:06:13 AM
Shorter straw for down and longford.

Longford away could prove tricky enough for Tyrone. Could be like the Meath game last season.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Christmas Lights on June 10, 2019, 09:07:21 AM
Shorter straw for down and longford.

Longford away could prove tricky enough for Tyrone. Could be like the Meath game last season.

Longford vs Tyrone has no appeal at all, does it?

Someone wake me up when the super 8's are here.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2019, 09:11:10 AM
At least it wasn't Tyrone or Mayo, but it's another Ulster team which I could've done without.

Could have been worse, could certainly have been better. Still a big improvement needed, at least it's in Clones.

Is that definite?

Two div 1 and 2 teams so it's in Clones yes.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 09:15:38 AM
Westmeath v Limerick
Longford v Tyrone
Antrim v Kildare
Leitrim v Clare
Down v Mayo
Derry v Laois
Offaly v Sligo
Monaghan v Armagh
Doubt the first teams all have home advantage.
The above is order drawn out, i.e.
R1 winner v SF loser

There's a separate draw for home advantage. Or possibly the D3/D4 rule might be in place also
All the R1 winners hardly got home advantage.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2019, 09:16:40 AM
https://www.gaa.ie/football/news/round-two-all-ireland-sfc-qualifiers-draw/

Venues to be confirmed tomorrow
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Schkite on June 10, 2019, 09:18:04 AM
Westmeath v Limerick
Longford v Tyrone
Antrim v Kildare
Leitrim v Clare
Down v Mayo
Derry v Laois
Offaly v Sligo
Monaghan v Armagh
Doubt the first teams all have home advantage.
The above is order drawn out, i.e.
R1 winner v SF loser

There's a separate draw for home advantage. Or possibly the D3/D4 rule might be in place also
All the R1 winners hardly got home advantage.

In the draw, both balls from either pot were put in a 3rd bowl and then the first team drawn out got home advantage. The only exception to that is if a 3rd/4th division team was drawn out 2nd against a 1st/2nd division team.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: snoopdog on June 10, 2019, 09:28:58 AM
mayo have to come to Newry. Newry or Nowhere.
May as well have a crack at the league champions now as opposed to getting so called easier draws just to drag a couple more games out of the summer.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 10, 2019, 09:48:52 AM
Westmeath v Limerick
Longford v Tyrone
Antrim v Kildare
Leitrim v Clare
Down v Mayo
Derry v Laois
Offaly v Sligo
Monaghan v Armagh
Doubt the first teams all have home advantage.
The above is order drawn out, i.e.
R1 winner v SF loser

There's a separate draw for home advantage. Or possibly the D3/D4 rule might be in place also
All the R1 winners hardly got home advantage.

Mayo and Clare were drawn out first, i posted the draw as to who is at home.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 10, 2019, 09:52:25 AM
mayo have to come to Newry. Newry or Nowhere.
May as well have a crack at the league champions now as opposed to getting so called easier draws just to drag a couple more games out of the summer.

Kildare had a siege mentality going on with Newbridge last year. Wasn't yesterday a first qualifier win for Down in years and Down's home form was poor in Div 3 this spring?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 10, 2019, 09:54:48 AM
We will beat Tyrone.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 10:01:06 AM
Westmeath v Limerick
Longford v Tyrone
Antrim v Kildare
Leitrim v Clare
Down v Mayo
Derry v Laois
Offaly v Sligo
Monaghan v Armagh
Doubt the first teams all have home advantage.
The above is order drawn out, i.e.
R1 winner v SF loser

There's a separate draw for home advantage. Or possibly the D3/D4 rule might be in place also
All the R1 winners hardly got home advantage.

Mayo and Clare were drawn out first, i posted the draw as to who is at home.
Wow, so all 8 losing semi finalists are away!
Good draw, Westmeath the only absolute bankers.
R3 should be very interesting
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 10, 2019, 10:05:19 AM
We will beat Tyrone.

I'm reminded of this! (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/we-are-going-to-win-that-match-cian-oneill-predicts-kildare-will-beat-dublin-following-longford-victory-38173449.html)

 :P
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Schkite on June 10, 2019, 10:08:15 AM
We will beat Tyrone.

Longford have to be the toughest "smaller" team that you can draw in the qualifiers, especially when it's away. Ye never seem to fear the big names and have a few good scalps. If Tyrone aren't on their game here then they could find it tough.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 10, 2019, 10:20:51 AM
Shorter straw for down and longford.

Longford away could prove tricky enough for Tyrone. Could be like the Meath game last season.

Longford vs Tyrone has no appeal at all, does it?

Someone wake me up when the super 8's are here.
I know, Longford should probably apologise for the inconvenience of having to trouble Tyrone with travelling to play them, should be only the preserve of Dublin, Kerry and the other elite teams.

There probably could have been worse draws for us but going to Tullamore and winning might be beyond us.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 10, 2019, 10:28:28 AM
Happy enough for Monaghan to get Armagh in Clones, Armagh look to be in better shape than us, still, as it stands now it's hard to see either side getting through the next round.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 10, 2019, 10:36:21 AM
Happy enough for Monaghan to get Armagh in Clones, Armagh look to be in better shape than us, still, as it stands now it's hard to see either side getting through the next round.
Avoid Tyrone,Mayo and its easier to see it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 10, 2019, 11:07:01 AM
Maybe there is hope, but more for Armagh than us. It was claimed that this tie is mouthwatering, the last time both teams met in the qualifiers the sound of loud groans from the crowd was a constant,  extra time was the football equivalent of hitting the wall.

 I don't know about Mayo being a foregone conclusion, I see Down have swung home advantage, for my money that could be an interesting game.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: moysider on June 10, 2019, 11:26:50 AM
Maybe there is hope, but more for Armagh than us. It was claimed that this tie is mouthwatering, the last time both teams met in the qualifiers the sound of loud groans from the crowd was a constant,  extra time was the football equivalent of hitting the wall.

 I don't know about Mayo being a foregone conclusion, I see Down have swung home advantage, for my money that could be an interesting game.

It shouldn’t be but you can be sure Mayo will insist on making it interesting like we always do.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on June 10, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
Nice little 7 hour round trip for the Mayo fans. Those season ticket holders will be well tested this year!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 10, 2019, 11:55:28 AM
We will beat Tyrone.

And we will beat Mayo.

£50 lumped on the double should pay for a cruise or a new car or maybe both.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 10, 2019, 11:56:20 AM
Páirc Esler will be packed to the gills.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: lurganblue on June 10, 2019, 12:04:44 PM
Páirc Esler will be packed to the gills.

Is the Antrim match going there too?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: snoopdog on June 10, 2019, 12:08:45 PM
Páirc Esler will be packed to the gills.

Is the Antrim match going there too?
Pairc Windsor I hear
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: snoopdog on June 10, 2019, 12:11:57 PM
mayo have to come to Newry. Newry or Nowhere.
May as well have a crack at the league champions now as opposed to getting so called easier draws just to drag a couple more games out of the summer.

Kildare had a siege mentality going on with Newbridge last year. Wasn't yesterday a first qualifier win for Down in years and Down's home form was poor in Div 3 this spring?
Yep our home form cost us promotion.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: highorlow on June 10, 2019, 12:33:49 PM
Quote
I know, Longford should probably apologise for the inconvenience of having to trouble Tyrone with travelling to play them, should be only the preserve of Dublin, Kerry and the other elite teams.

There probably could have been worse draws for us but going to Tullamore and winning might be beyond us.

What's this now?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on June 10, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
Nice little 7 hour round trip for the Mayo fans. Those season ticket holders will be well tested this year!

Mayo aren’t great in Castlebar anyway, might be no harm to have an away game.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: David McKeown on June 10, 2019, 12:48:59 PM
Happy enough for Monaghan to get Armagh in Clones, Armagh look to be in better shape than us, still, as it stands now it's hard to see either side getting through the next round.

6.25% chance of this being the draw the teams ended up with. Initially I thought it was the worst possible draw but now I’m coming round on it. Win and it’s a sign of progress, loose and the pressure might become too much on an already beleaguered manager. I’d rather a game like this than a handy draw to round 4 or beyond where we might have received some tankings.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: naka on June 10, 2019, 12:59:15 PM
Happy enough for Monaghan to get Armagh in Clones, Armagh look to be in better shape than us, still, as it stands now it's hard to see either side getting through the next round.

6.25% chance of this being the draw the teams ended up with. Initially I thought it was the worst possible draw but now I’m coming round on it. Win and it’s a sign of progress, loose and the pressure might become too much on an already beleaguered manager. I’d rather a game like this than a handy draw to round 4 or beyond where we might have received some tankings.
tbf am content with this draw as well, if we cant beat them( and i am not sure Armagh can ) then we are better off out of it as other teams will give us a trimming down the line.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 10, 2019, 01:00:33 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on June 10, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
Id imagine Longford v Tyrone will be the Saturday. Most of Tyrone will be coming through Clones for it, where the Ulster final is on the Sunday.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on June 10, 2019, 01:20:19 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Mayo fans won't mind the 7 hour round trip. After all it's all about the 'Journey' for Mayo fans. Feck me when you get a plethora of them going to see Mayo play a Junior club side in New York, sure this trip will be a doddle!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Billys Boots on June 10, 2019, 01:24:05 PM
We will beat Tyrone.

We will indeed.  ;D
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 10, 2019, 02:44:09 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 10, 2019, 02:48:15 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.

Sure get a seat in the Armagh half of the ground and cross something else off
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on June 10, 2019, 02:52:52 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.

I’d imagine it would be an overnight trip for the team , and most other people as well.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Tubberman on June 10, 2019, 03:23:15 PM
Google Maps tells me to turn off N4 in Edgeworthtown and go via Kells/Ardee to M1 and up to Newry.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 10, 2019, 03:33:18 PM
The qualifier draw Gods are finally smiling on us. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Feckitt on June 10, 2019, 03:44:44 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.

I've bad news for you Farrandeelin, the Down GAA ground is in Armagh !!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 10, 2019, 04:04:23 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.

Well if i was doing it I'd go Sligo, Manorhamilton, Blacklion, Florencecourt, Derrylin, out the Lisnaskea Road turn right to bring you onto Lisnaskea- Newtownbutler road, shortly after turn left bringing out out on Clones to Monaghan road, Go to Monaghan, Armagh, Newry

You wont see a hard shoulder until you get to Newry!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on June 10, 2019, 04:20:40 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.

Well if i was doing it I'd go Sligo, Manorhamilton, Blacklion, Florencecourt, Derrylin, out the Lisnaskea Road turn right to bring you onto Lisnaskea- Newtownbutler road, shortly after turn left bringing out out on Clones to Monaghan road, Go to Monaghan, Armagh, Newry

You wont see a hard shoulder until you get to Newry!

Give yourself a break!
Drive to Dublin and then up the road!!


Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: charlieTully on June 10, 2019, 04:30:42 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.


Make a weekend off it. The mourne mountains on a summers day are a sight to behold.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 10, 2019, 04:52:24 PM
Take it from me, the drive from Mayo to Newry is one of the worst there is in Ireland. If its on a Saturday evening god save you all.

Google maps brings me through Enniskillen, Caledon, around outskirts of Armagh. Seems a long hoor of a trek alright. Never been to Newry before. Never been to Down even. It'd be a double whammy of crossing out both a game and being in Down on the same day if I go.

That's quite scenic,a part from the Armagh bit.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 10, 2019, 05:54:15 PM
Westmeath  1/10 v Limerick 13/2
Longford 8/1 v Tyrone 1/14
Antrim 11/2 v Kildare 1/8
Leitrim 5/2 v Clare 2/5
Down 11/2 v Mayo 1/8
Derry 8/15 v Laois 15/8
Offaly 2/7 v Sligo 10/3
Monaghan 4/7 v Armagh 7/4

Odds from PP, seems like they think 4 games are foregone conclusions although I think both Longford and Down are too long. Laois look like good value imo
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 10, 2019, 06:44:42 PM
Westmeath  1/10 v Limerick 13/2
Longford 8/1 v Tyrone 1/14
Antrim 11/2 v Kildare 1/8
Leitrim 5/2 v Clare 2/5
Down 11/2 v Mayo 1/8
Derry 8/15 v Laois 15/8
Offaly 2/7 v Sligo 10/3
Monaghan 4/7 v Armagh 7/4

Odds from PP, seems like they think 4 games are foregone conclusions although I think both Longford and Down are too long. Laois look like good value imo

Armagh best value odds there especially if Monaghan are as laboured as they were v Fermanagh. Longford odds too long, they have a decent qualifier record and Tyrone can struggle in some of these early round games. I would have the Derry and Laois odds closer than that.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 07:23:26 PM
Leinster five-fold

Westmeath -7
Longford +8
Laois +2
Kildare -6
Offaly -4

Works out at a fraction under 30/1. All in!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: joemamas on June 10, 2019, 09:52:24 PM
 A little off topic,

in the super 8's, are the provincial winners' grouping predetermined, i.e If Dublin, Donegal, Kerry and Galway all win, which two will be paired in which group or is it determined by an open draw.

Q2, If the first series of games are held at the provincial winners home ground, and the second series are held in Croke Park, where will the third series be held, first out of the hat having home advantage ?. Aside from Dublin having two home games, two teams will have no home game.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 10, 2019, 10:02:52 PM
A little off topic,

in the super 8's, are the provincial winners' grouping predetermined, i.e If Dublin, Donegal, Kerry and Galway all win, which two will be paired in which group or is it determined by an open draw.

Q2, If the first series of games are held at the provincial winners home ground, and the second series are held in Croke Park, where will the third series be held, first out of the hat having home advantage ?. Aside from Dublin having two home games, two teams will have no home game.

Look it up yourself...here is the link

https://www.gaa.ie/sportteller-content/stories/1/1/df726843-3951-459b-af6e-729c19588760/index.html#Slide_1
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 10, 2019, 10:03:06 PM
A little off topic,

in the super 8's, are the provincial winners' grouping predetermined, i.e If Dublin, Donegal, Kerry and Galway all win, which two will be paired in which group or is it determined by an open draw.

Q2, If the first series of games are held at the provincial winners home ground, and the second series are held in Croke Park, where will the third series be held, first out of the hat having home advantage ?. Aside from Dublin having two home games, two teams will have no home game.
The third game is at the home venue of the qualifiers.
Big mistake that they’ve changed the order. There were moans last year that provincial winners should get their first game at home, to give them extra advantage. But they already have an extra advantage by getting straight into the Super 8, without having to play a qualifier. The new arrangement means Dublin’s away game could be a dead rubber. There’ll be a lot more moaning about that when the media figures that one out.

The pairings of where the provincial champs is pre-arranged
Edit. Leinster and Connacht champions paired together I see
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: joemamas on June 10, 2019, 10:08:07 PM
A little off topic,

in the super 8's, are the provincial winners' grouping predetermined, i.e If Dublin, Donegal, Kerry and Galway all win, which two will be paired in which group or is it determined by an open draw.

Q2, If the first series of games are held at the provincial winners home ground, and the second series are held in Croke Park, where will the third series be held, first out of the hat having home advantage ?. Aside from Dublin having two home games, two teams will have no home game.
The third game is at the home venue of the qualifiers.
Big mistake that they’ve changed the order. There were moans last year that provincial winners should get their first game at home, to give them extra advantage. But they already have an extra advantage by getting straight into the Super 8, without having to play a qualifier. The new arrangement means Dublin’s away game could be a dead rubber. There’ll be a lot more moaning about that when the media figures that one out.

The pairings of where the provincial champs go I’d pre-arranged, but don’t know what it is.
Edit. Leinster and Connacht champions paired together I see

Thanks

so that means that the second series of games in Croke Park, would feature Dublin V Galway and Kerry V Donegal , together with the other four qualifiers playing each other.
(assuming that the aforementioned win their provincials)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: lenny on June 10, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
Westmeath  1/10 v Limerick 13/2
Longford 8/1 v Tyrone 1/14
Antrim 11/2 v Kildare 1/8
Leitrim 5/2 v Clare 2/5
Down 11/2 v Mayo 1/8
Derry 8/15 v Laois 15/8
Offaly 2/7 v Sligo 10/3
Monaghan 4/7 v Armagh 7/4

Odds from PP, seems like they think 4 games are foregone conclusions although I think both Longford and Down are too long. Laois look like good value imo

Armagh best value odds there especially if Monaghan are as laboured as they were v Fermanagh. Longford odds too long, they have a decent qualifier record and Tyrone can struggle in some of these early round games. I would have the Derry and Laois odds closer than that.

Derry got promoted from division 4 but laois also got promoted and froma division higher. Playing at a higher level all season will make them very difficult opponents for Derry. It would be good for this young Derry side to get another game or 2 but this one will be a tough hurdle.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on June 10, 2019, 11:40:16 PM
Leinster five-fold

Westmeath -7
Longford +8
Laois +2
Kildare -6
Offaly -4

Works out at a fraction under 30/1. All in!

When did Westmeath suddenly become world beaters.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: David McKeown on June 11, 2019, 08:57:50 AM
Id imagine Longford v Tyrone will be the Saturday. Most of Tyrone will be coming through Clones for it, where the Ulster final is on the Sunday.

Only issue being Monaghan v Armagh likely to be on the Saturday in Clones
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 11, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
Sat June 22nd

Monaghan v Armagh Clones 7pm
Longford v Tyrone, Pearse park 5pm
Down v Mayo, Newry 7pm
Antrim v Kildare, Corrigan Park, 3pm (subject to inspection and safety certification)
Derry v Laois, Owenbeg, 5pm
Westmeath v Limerick, Mullingar, 6pm
Leitrim v Clare, Carrick-on-Shannon, 6pm

Sunday 23 June

Offaly v Sligo,Tullamore 2pm
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: panc56 on June 11, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
I wouldn't fancy Kildares trip  8)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: befair on June 11, 2019, 02:15:19 PM
Just heard that all club games in Down (usually played on Friday evening) are cancelled this week. You can be sure the club games next week will be canceled as well; this is why we lose out to soccer, where players are guaranteed regular games. It's only a 2nd round qualifier FFS. The clubs lose out again
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 11, 2019, 02:24:39 PM
I wouldn't fancy Kildares trip  8)

At least its a half decent time of the day.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 11, 2019, 02:24:59 PM
Just heard that all club games in Down (usually played on Friday evening) are cancelled this week. You can be sure the club games next week will be canceled as well; this is why we lose out to soccer, where players are guaranteed regular games. It's only a 2nd round qualifier FFS. The clubs lose out again

Are those club games league or championship?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 11, 2019, 02:41:58 PM
What are chances that Corrigan Park will be passed, talking about a capacity of 2k? In fairness they will have the full support of the Kildare fans. We will have to suck it up ticket wise.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 02:48:33 PM
It's in corrigan at 3(I think) saturday. To be fair there'll not be very many antrim fans there.

[Edit] in fact pending safety inspection. Sorry got you now.

That will be interesting to see the outcome of. Do we actually have a ground safe enough to play matches at.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 11, 2019, 02:57:16 PM
No TV coverage of Armagh v Monaghan then. I'm sure Sky were down to show a game that evening, looking at those throws ins it appears if there's a TV game it will be Derry v Laois.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: befair on June 11, 2019, 02:58:14 PM
Just heard that all club games in Down (usually played on Friday evening) are cancelled this week. You can be sure the club games next week will be canceled as well; this is why we lose out to soccer, where players are guaranteed regular games. It's only a 2nd round qualifier FFS. The clubs lose out again

Are those club games league or championship?

League
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on June 11, 2019, 03:04:47 PM
It's in corrigan at 3(I think) saturday. To be fair there'll not be very many antrim fans there.

[Edit] in fact pending safety inspection. Sorry got you now.

That will be interesting to see the outcome of. Do we actually have a ground safe enough to play matches at.
Would Ballycastle or Dunloy hold a bigger crowd (more safely) than Corrigan?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on June 11, 2019, 03:08:23 PM
What are chances that Corrigan Park will be passed, talking about a capacity of 2k? In fairness they will have the full support of the Kildare fans. We will have to suck it up ticket wise.

Should be at the DUB with greater capacity.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 11, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
It's in corrigan at 3(I think) saturday. To be fair there'll not be very many antrim fans there.

[Edit] in fact pending safety inspection. Sorry got you now.

That will be interesting to see the outcome of. Do we actually have a ground safe enough to play matches at.
Would Ballycastle or Dunloy hold a bigger crowd (more safely) than Corrigan?

All slagging aside could Antrim GAA  not get casement up and running again over the autumn?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: under the bar on June 11, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
What are chances that Corrigan Park will be passed, talking about a capacity of 2k? In fairness they will have the full support of the Kildare fans. We will have to suck it up ticket wise.

Should be at the DUB with greater capacity.

The plastic pitch??
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on June 11, 2019, 07:59:03 PM
It's in corrigan at 3(I think) saturday. To be fair there'll not be very many antrim fans there.

[Edit] in fact pending safety inspection. Sorry got you now.

That will be interesting to see the outcome of. Do we actually have a ground safe enough to play matches at.
Would Ballycastle or Dunloy hold a bigger crowd (more safely) than Corrigan?

All slagging aside could Antrim GAA  not get casement up and running again over the autumn?
Would cost a right bit of money to get it any way playable/safe. Not sure it’s worth it for Ulster GAA to weigh in and level it a short time later. Not sure we even own it anymore either.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 11, 2019, 08:14:39 PM
On the Dunloy Ballycastle front they probably would hold more. If corrigan had filled in the bit where the stand used to be then I wouldn’t be so sure but with it being there then i think it’d hold a good bit less.

The state of casement is bad itchy. To get that surface back would require a lot. It’s basically like making a farmers field into a viable playing surface.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: delgany on June 11, 2019, 10:08:24 PM
How many season ticket holders in Kildare will determine the venue?If they have more than  2 000 , then the match will be a double header in Newry, health and safety , Congress motion etc
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 11, 2019, 10:45:00 PM
Yer man with the Offaly jersey wasn’t behind the goal in Tullamore at the Offaly London qualifier. Or is it Portlaoise he’s always at?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: snoopdog on June 12, 2019, 07:00:39 AM
How many season ticket holders in Kildare will determine the venue?If they have more than  2 000 , then the match will be a double header in Newry, health and safety , Congress motion etc
Is kildare fans complaining about choice and size of venue not a bit ironic after Newbridge and Mayo last year.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 12, 2019, 09:49:42 AM
Yer man with the Offaly jersey wasn’t behind the goal in Tullamore at the Offaly London qualifier. Or is it Portlaoise he’s always at?

Be very surprised if Mick wasn't there, probably off retrieving a ball when the camera panned around
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 10:22:13 AM
How many season ticket holders in Kildare will determine the venue?If they have more than  2 000 , then the match will be a double header in Newry, health and safety , Congress motion etc
Is kildare fans complaining about choice and size of venue not a bit ironic after Newbridge and Mayo last year.

Nope, quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on June 12, 2019, 10:28:42 AM
No qualifier on Sky, they've opted to save it for later in the year where they can show an extra game.

Their scheduled to show 2 qualifiers in R3 & R4.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 12, 2019, 10:38:11 AM
No qualifier on Sky, they've opted to save it for later in the year where they can show an extra game.

Their scheduled to show 2 qualifiers in R3 & R4.

Seems like a bad decision to me. Down Mayo and Armagh Monaghan were both very interesting ties. They will end up showing a far less interesting game later on. Round 4 is always funny with teams coming of the back of provincial final losses really struggling.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on June 12, 2019, 11:09:31 AM
How many season ticket holders in Kildare will determine the venue?If they have more than  2 000 , then the match will be a double header in Newry, health and safety , Congress motion etc
Is kildare fans complaining about choice and size of venue not a bit ironic after Newbridge and Mayo last year.

Nope, quite the opposite.

Indeed.

Antrim perfectly entitled to their choice of venue.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 12, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
Yer man with the Offaly jersey wasn’t behind the goal in Tullamore at the Offaly London qualifier. Or is it Portlaoise he’s always at?

Be very surprised if Mick wasn't there, probably off retrieving a ball when the camera panned around

He had a hi viz jacket on him a week or two ago stood in the same spot. Maybe he’s bagged himself a job?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 12, 2019, 11:14:14 AM
How many season ticket holders in Kildare will determine the venue?If they have more than  2 000 , then the match will be a double header in Newry, health and safety , Congress motion etc
Is kildare fans complaining about choice and size of venue not a bit ironic after Newbridge and Mayo last year.

Nope, quite the opposite.

Indeed.

Antrim perfectly entitled to their choice of venue.
This year the Rule book has the bit about suitability of venue added.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 12, 2019, 11:16:55 AM
This is a different scale though. Kildare people will understand if they go there. It's not even standing all round either. Very very small ground comparatively speaking probably to any other county.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 12, 2019, 01:20:36 PM
Green light for Corrigan I hear.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 12, 2019, 01:22:48 PM
2,122 capacity.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: themac_23 on June 12, 2019, 01:36:25 PM
2,122 capacity.

does preference go to the GAA season ticket holders for each county? like if Kildare had 1500 season ticket holders would they get preference over Antrim supporters?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 12, 2019, 01:41:40 PM
2,122 capacity.

does preference go to the GAA season ticket holders for each county? like if Kildare had 1500 season ticket holders would they get preference over Antrim supporters?

Kildare have approx 1000 season ticket holders.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Shamrock Shore on June 12, 2019, 01:52:53 PM
Hope it's not raining. The upstairs bar can only hold so many......
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 12, 2019, 02:28:52 PM
No qualifier on Sky, they've opted to save it for later in the year where they can show an extra game.

Their scheduled to show 2 qualifiers in R3 & R4.

Very odd decision to make, as said already a few very intriguing ties that would have got plenty of viewers. Must be the first time since the qualifers was introduced that no round 2 game will get live tv coverage.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 12, 2019, 03:33:56 PM
I'd have expected Monaghan/Armagh most likely a TV game.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2019, 07:38:14 PM
2,122 capacity.

Antrim could hold it in a telephone box for all the supporters they'd bring but don't want a 2nd tier as it would get no coverage and nobody would be interested as opposed to the 50k turning up at the minute.... sorry 50 people (inclusive of team and management)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on June 12, 2019, 07:49:45 PM
2,122 capacity.

Antrim could hold it in a telephone box for all the supporters they'd bring but don't want a 2nd tier as it would get no coverage and nobody would be interested as opposed to the 50k turning up at the minute.... sorry 50 people (inclusive of team and management)
The players & management wouldn’t be greatly interested in a 2nd tier Mickey Mouse Cup though. Well, at least they weren’t the last time we had one.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 12, 2019, 07:54:21 PM
2,122 capacity.

Antrim could hold it in a telephone box for all the supporters they'd bring but don't want a 2nd tier as it would get no coverage and nobody would be interested as opposed to the 50k turning up at the minute.... sorry 50 people (inclusive of team and management)
The players & management wouldn’t be greatly interested in a 2nd tier Mickey Mouse Cup though. Well, at least they weren’t the last time we had one.

“I have always advocated that there should be a tiered championship,” believes the 2010 All-Ireland senior club-winning manager with St Gall’s.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/antrim-boss-harbinson-backs-tiered-all-ireland-championship-903767.html
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on June 12, 2019, 08:02:20 PM
We’ll see how he feels when he tries to get his players to buy into it and boys are being lifted off the road and handed jerseys.

We won one. Nobody cared. So much so it was scrapped.

We have been here. It failed.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on June 12, 2019, 08:07:15 PM
We (Mayo) won the Nicky Rackhard a few years ago. The Cup was in a Hurling development coaches boot who was at our club. I asked if I could get a photo taken with the young lad holding it. There were a lot of parents with their children there. Nobody else availed of the photo opportunity.

Moral of the story. Tiered competitions mean nothing to the general public!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 12, 2019, 08:33:51 PM
Stop talking perfect sense, youse boys.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 12, 2019, 08:42:31 PM
We’ll see how he feels when he tries to get his players to buy into it and boys are being lifted off the road and handed jerseys.

We won one. Nobody cared. So much so it was scrapped.

We have been here. It failed.

Nobody cares about youse at the minute. Can’t be any worse. Antrim will get humped by Kildare. And no one will care. That’s without tiers.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: lenny on June 12, 2019, 08:53:51 PM
We (Mayo) won the Nicky Rackhard a few years ago. The Cup was in a Hurling development coaches boot who was at our club. I asked if I could get a photo taken with the young lad holding it. There were a lot of parents with their children there. Nobody else availed of the photo opportunity.

Moral of the story. Tiered competitions mean nothing to the general public!

That’s strange because before hurling became tiered hurling was huge in mayo. Massive crowds at all their games and great interest. The tiering ruined it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 12, 2019, 08:54:54 PM
Ahhh Bunker remember the good old days when Ros played Rhubarbs in the Connacht SHC and the crowds were massive?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Clinker on June 12, 2019, 09:02:52 PM
Any other All Ticket games at this stage of the competition this year?
Well done Antrim and Kildare.







there should be a special place in hell for those




And a much deserved one for all you begrudgers.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on June 12, 2019, 09:21:22 PM
We (Mayo) won the Nicky Rackhard a few years ago. The Cup was in a Hurling development coaches boot who was at our club. I asked if I could get a photo taken with the young lad holding it. There were a lot of parents with their children there. Nobody else availed of the photo opportunity.

Moral of the story. Tiered competitions mean nothing to the general public!

That’s strange because before hurling became tiered hurling was huge in mayo. Massive crowds at all their games and great interest. The tiering ruined it.

But you all said that tiering would generate interest? Where there is no interest?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: armaghniac on June 12, 2019, 09:54:13 PM
We (Mayo) won the Nicky Rackhard a few years ago. The Cup was in a Hurling development coaches boot who was at our club. I asked if I could get a photo taken with the young lad holding it. There were a lot of parents with their children there. Nobody else availed of the photo opportunity.

Moral of the story. Tiered competitions mean nothing to the general public!

That’s strange because before hurling became tiered hurling was huge in mayo. Massive crowds at all their games and great interest. The tiering ruined it.

Well, John Wayne mentioned it in the Quiet Man.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 12, 2019, 10:27:16 PM
We’ll see how he feels when he tries to get his players to buy into it and boys are being lifted off the road and handed jerseys.

We won one. Nobody cared. So much so it was scrapped.

We have been here. It failed.

It wouldn’t be the same thing though. It would have to be across the board rather than division four only. The tommy Murphy Cup was a token gesture thing (and I was happy we won it and pretty pissed off when we lost it to a last minute goal.)

Realistically interest in our own county, and it’s the same in many other lower tier counties, is really waning. Something needs done.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: lenny on June 13, 2019, 06:57:37 AM
We (Mayo) won the Nicky Rackhard a few years ago. The Cup was in a Hurling development coaches boot who was at our club. I asked if I could get a photo taken with the young lad holding it. There were a lot of parents with their children there. Nobody else availed of the photo opportunity.

Moral of the story. Tiered competitions mean nothing to the general public!

That’s strange because before hurling became tiered hurling was huge in mayo. Massive crowds at all their games and great interest. The tiering ruined it.

But you all said that tiering would generate interest? Where there is no interest?

That’s not true. The argument for tiers is more for players and coaches to give them something where they have a realistic chance of making progress and even winning. People on here have argued against it by comparing it to hurling and saying that in the smaller hurling counties interest has disappeared. That argument is complete rubbish because most smaller hurling counties never had any interest in the first place. I would argue that the interest level in hurling counties has more or less stayed the same or there’s beena slight increase since the tiers were introduced. I would expect the same for football.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 13, 2019, 08:28:15 AM
Ahhh Bunker remember the good old days when Ros played Rhubarbs in the Connacht SHC and the crowds were massive?

They were so big, people stopped turning up altogether given the cars were parked at Tulsk for games at the Hyde, Ballyvary and Pontoon for games at McHale and Dromore West and Tubbercurry for Markievicz.  ;)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 13, 2019, 08:54:48 AM
We (Mayo) won the Nicky Rackhard a few years ago. The Cup was in a Hurling development coaches boot who was at our club. I asked if I could get a photo taken with the young lad holding it. There were a lot of parents with their children there. Nobody else availed of the photo opportunity.

Moral of the story. Tiered competitions mean nothing to the general public!

That’s strange because before hurling became tiered hurling was huge in mayo. Massive crowds at all their games and great interest. The tiering ruined it.

But you all said that tiering would generate interest? Where there is no interest?

That’s not true. The argument for tiers is more for players and coaches to give them something where they have a realistic chance of making progress and even winning. People on here have argued against it by comparing it to hurling and saying that in the smaller hurling counties interest has disappeared. That argument is complete rubbish because most smaller hurling counties never had any interest in the first place. I would argue that the interest level in hurling counties has more or less stayed the same or there’s beena slight increase since the tiers were introduced. I would expect the same for football.

Hurling in Tyrone has increased. I think there's 5 new hurling clubs. But that doesn't suit the narrative here.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 13, 2019, 09:08:16 AM
Some Tyrone teams starting to do well in the antrim league now too. I could see at some point a division 1 team but maybe not for a couple of years yet.

Lenny the westmeaths and carlows (I would follow their tier more closely with antrim being in it) have definitely really upped their game with the new tiering. I can't answer for some of the lower tiers. Derry should be much better than they are at the hurling but county board don't pay much heed to it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: oakleaflad on June 13, 2019, 09:33:28 AM
Some Tyrone teams starting to do well in the antrim league now too. I could see at some point a division 1 team but maybe not for a couple of years yet.

Lenny the westmeaths and carlows (I would follow their tier more closely with antrim being in it) have definitely really upped their game with the new tiering. I can't answer for some of the lower tiers. Derry should be much better than they are at the hurling but county board don't pay much heed to it.
What do you base this on? I'm not a huge hurling man but thought that being competitive in Christy Ring is about our level. Not sure we have the hurlers to compete with 2nd Tier teams at the moment.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: OakLeaf on June 13, 2019, 09:44:06 AM
Hurling in Tyrone has increased. I think there's 5 new hurling clubs. But that doesn't suit the narrative here.

Exactly, and dont we have Senior, Intermediate and Junior at club level, which works very well? Try telling a Junior player that their Championship doesn't matter! I'm not saying two or more tiers at County level would be an overnight success, it would definitely take time, but it's got to be better than continous tankings.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on June 13, 2019, 09:55:58 AM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 13, 2019, 10:10:37 AM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.

Antrim's current progress is currently being ignored by all and sundry. Who's not going to turn up now? Antrim attendances are pathetic. An Ulsterbus would ferry their support about for God's sake. And we haven't even brought in tiering.

If you think this is about an 8 team semi professional setup then I'm afraid it is you who is "talking through their hole"

Can you please define who the "Croke Park suits" are? Names? Where the come from? How they got the jobs? Job terms?

"high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years." Has it crossed your mind that the reason they have been advocating for this is because it might actually help the game?

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 13, 2019, 10:27:37 AM
Nothing like a good oul tin foil hat conspiracy theory ::)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on June 13, 2019, 10:50:47 AM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.

Antrim's current progress is currently being ignored by all and sundry. Who's not going to turn up now? Antrim attendances are pathetic. An Ulsterbus would ferry their support about for God's sake. And we haven't even brought in tiering.

If you think this is about an 8 team semi professional setup then I'm afraid it is you who is "talking through their hole"

Can you please define who the "Croke Park suits" are? Names? Where the come from? How they got the jobs? Job terms?

"high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years." Has it crossed your mind that the reason they have been advocating for this is because it might actually help the game?


Whose game is it going to help?

We have tiering in hurling? We're you in the Athletic Grounds last Saturday to see Tyrone being beaten by Armagh in the Rackard Cup.  I'd be shocked if there was 200 at it. 

Whose game is it going to help? It will give the media a product that they want which appears to be Croke Park's over riding objective and it seems to be media support that is one of their key performance indicators.  It will also help those with an "elitism" agenda - which I suspect includes yourself. 

What has Croke Park done to promote the GAA in Ireland's second city.  One of the biggest counties in Ireland is being increasingly lost to the GAA.  Some of the blame lies in Antrim, but if HQ gave even half the attention to Belfast as it does to Dublin in the last 10 years, Antrim would be in a much stronger position now.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 13, 2019, 11:03:27 AM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.
On the money.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on June 13, 2019, 11:08:28 AM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.
On the money.

We need a revolution!!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 13, 2019, 11:13:17 AM
APM have you heard of "Gaelfest"?
As for attendances at Tyrone hurling games ... I'm sure ye all remember the thousands that used to go to their Ulster SHC games back in the day? ::)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Keyser soze on June 13, 2019, 11:26:30 AM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.

Antrim's current progress is currently being ignored by all and sundry. Who's not going to turn up now? Antrim attendances are pathetic. An Ulsterbus would ferry their support about for God's sake. And we haven't even brought in tiering.

If you think this is about an 8 team semi professional setup then I'm afraid it is you who is "talking through their hole"

Can you please define who the "Croke Park suits" are? Names? Where the come from? How they got the jobs? Job terms?

"high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years." Has it crossed your mind that the reason they have been advocating for this is because it might actually help the game?

Not sure what you are trying to say here Trailer, you accuse me of talking through my hole in saying this is geared towards an 8 team competition, and you then admit that there are in fact people advocating this and that furthermore you think that this is a great idea as it will help the game.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: lenny on June 13, 2019, 11:48:53 AM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.

Who’s Lenny harbison?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 13, 2019, 11:57:04 AM

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

Hard to argue with that, if anything, it'll widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.

From a spectacle point of view (less mismatches), a tiered championship would work well but it's absolutely nothing to do with improving the lot of weaker counties. Better/more equal funding is the only way to achieve that
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: lenny on June 13, 2019, 12:04:39 PM

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

Hard to argue with that, if anything, it'll widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.

From a spectacle point of view (less mismatches), a tiered championship would work well but it's absolutely nothing to do with improving the lot of weaker counties. Better/more equal funding is the only way to achieve that

So you reckon the gap between Dublin and Wicklow, tyrone and antrim, mayo and London, Kerry and limerick will get wider with tiering. I would say the gap is already too wide to narrow within the next 20 years. Funding is something that people have only started to talk about in the last couple of years with the dominance of Dublin. The gap between the top teams and the rest was always there. Funding won't make a difference. Counties like Fermanagh and Wicklow have never won anything. counties like that get 2 championship games a year, 3 if they get a lucky draw. Where is the chance to progress? Tiers would at least give the weaker counties something to play for.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on June 13, 2019, 12:10:05 PM
Forgetting improving the standards there is a problem with the huge gap appearing between the top and bottom teams and that is creating an apathy in county teams. How many county teams up and down the country do you read sob stories about they would be so much better if they had their best players available? There is a serious problem when this is so widespread. Boys are knocking their pan in all winter to then be on the receiving end of some big beatings and then the enthusiasm isn't there. Lesser teams have no continuity in their panel and with the level of strength and conditioning these days it takes boys 2 to 3 years to be at the level required for good county football. The lesser counties can't even guarantee the same players, bar a core few, year on year so they completely lose out to this and it just spirals into a perpetual cycle.

Whatever about the GAA's motivations here... how does the current championship structure improve this?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 13, 2019, 12:16:47 PM

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

Hard to argue with that, if anything, it'll widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.

From a spectacle point of view (less mismatches), a tiered championship would work well but it's absolutely nothing to do with improving the lot of weaker counties. Better/more equal funding is the only way to achieve that

So you reckon the gap between Dublin and Wicklow, tyrone and antrim, mayo and London, Kerry and limerick will get wider with tiering. I would say the gap is already too wide to narrow within the next 20 years. Funding is something that people have only started to talk about in the last couple of years with the dominance of Dublin. The gap between the top teams and the rest was always there. Funding won't make a difference. Counties like Fermanagh and Wicklow have never won anything. counties like that get 2 championship games a year, 3 if they get a lucky draw. Where is the chance to progress? Tiers would at least give the weaker counties something to play for.
The problem is that, like with restoring the Divisions 1-4 setup over the 1A/1B/2A/2B a decade ago, is that the tiering will entrench the advantages the top teams have by playing each other regularly and raising the standards as a result. The problem isn't that the gaps to Wicklow, Antrim, London and Limerick will get bigger than they already are. It's that after a few years of it the gap to the likes of Laois, Down, Sligo and Tipperary will have got much wider than they already are. And like with Carlow in the hurling this year and Laois next year if they win the Joe MacDonagh Cup, that the team that goes up into the top tier will be chasing shadows and will go straight back down, and whoever follows them likewise.

As has been alluded to before, the push for tiering has little to do with concern for the weaker counties, it's driven to create an elite competition amongst the top teams and feed the media interest and generate greater revenue as a result. That Sligo might win a first round Joe Brolly Cup tie against Waterford in Nenagh is not what enthuses Croke Park about going down the road they have set themselves on.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: johnnycool on June 13, 2019, 12:56:57 PM
APM have you heard of "Gaelfest"?
As for attendances at Tyrone hurling games ... I'm sure ye all remember the thousands that used to go to their Ulster SHC games back in the day? ::)

When they meant something you'd have got 3 or 4K at an Ulster SHC game in Casement back in the 90's and up to the early 00's until everything was changed.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 13, 2019, 02:45:37 PM
How many of those Ulster Finals did Tyrone play in?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 13, 2019, 03:23:59 PM
APM have you heard of "Gaelfest"?
As for attendances at Tyrone hurling games ... I'm sure ye all remember the thousands that used to go to their Ulster SHC games back in the day? ::)

When they meant something you'd have got 3 or 4K at an Ulster SHC game in Casement back in the 90's and up to the early 00's until everything was changed.

I remember going to a few Ulster finals in Casement, mid to late 90’s. There was a hell of a lot more than 4,000 at them too.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 13, 2019, 03:58:37 PM

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

Hard to argue with that, if anything, it'll widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.

From a spectacle point of view (less mismatches), a tiered championship would work well but it's absolutely nothing to do with improving the lot of weaker counties. Better/more equal funding is the only way to achieve that

So you reckon the gap between Dublin and Wicklow, tyrone and antrim, mayo and London, Kerry and limerick will get wider with tiering. I would say the gap is already too wide to narrow within the next 20 years. Funding is something that people have only started to talk about in the last couple of years with the dominance of Dublin. The gap between the top teams and the rest was always there. Funding won't make a difference. Counties like Fermanagh and Wicklow have never won anything. counties like that get 2 championship games a year, 3 if they get a lucky draw. Where is the chance to progress? Tiers would at least give the weaker counties something to play for.
The problem is that, like with restoring the Divisions 1-4 setup over the 1A/1B/2A/2B a decade ago, is that the tiering will entrench the advantages the top teams have by playing each other regularly and raising the standards as a result. The problem isn't that the gaps to Wicklow, Antrim, London and Limerick will get bigger than they already are. It's that after a few years of it the gap to the likes of Laois, Down, Sligo and Tipperary will have got much wider than they already are. And like with Carlow in the hurling this year and Laois next year if they win the Joe MacDonagh Cup, that the team that goes up into the top tier will be chasing shadows and will go straight back down, and whoever follows them likewise.

As has been alluded to before, the push for tiering has little to do with concern for the weaker counties, it's driven to create an elite competition amongst the top teams and feed the media interest and generate greater revenue as a result. That Sligo might win a first round Joe Brolly Cup tie against Waterford in Nenagh is not what enthuses Croke Park about going down the road they have set themselves on.

How many AI's or even Leinster titles has Carlow hurlers won in this last 50 years?

So to be clear. If we don't tier the championship in football and keep things as they are then the gap from Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway etc to Antrim, Fermanagh, London, Wicklow, Leitrim, Derry etc will narrow and they'll all win provincial and AI titles. Is this what we are saying?



Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: JoG2 on June 13, 2019, 04:22:52 PM

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

Hard to argue with that, if anything, it'll widen the gap between the haves and the have nots.

From a spectacle point of view (less mismatches), a tiered championship would work well but it's absolutely nothing to do with improving the lot of weaker counties. Better/more equal funding is the only way to achieve that

So you reckon the gap between Dublin and Wicklow, tyrone and antrim, mayo and London, Kerry and limerick will get wider with tiering. I would say the gap is already too wide to narrow within the next 20 years. Funding is something that people have only started to talk about in the last couple of years with the dominance of Dublin. The gap between the top teams and the rest was always there. Funding won't make a difference. Counties like Fermanagh and Wicklow have never won anything. counties like that get 2 championship games a year, 3 if they get a lucky draw. Where is the chance to progress? Tiers would at least give the weaker counties something to play for.
The problem is that, like with restoring the Divisions 1-4 setup over the 1A/1B/2A/2B a decade ago, is that the tiering will entrench the advantages the top teams have by playing each other regularly and raising the standards as a result. The problem isn't that the gaps to Wicklow, Antrim, London and Limerick will get bigger than they already are. It's that after a few years of it the gap to the likes of Laois, Down, Sligo and Tipperary will have got much wider than they already are. And like with Carlow in the hurling this year and Laois next year if they win the Joe MacDonagh Cup, that the team that goes up into the top tier will be chasing shadows and will go straight back down, and whoever follows them likewise.

As has been alluded to before, the push for tiering has little to do with concern for the weaker counties, it's driven to create an elite competition amongst the top teams and feed the media interest and generate greater revenue as a result. That Sligo might win a first round Joe Brolly Cup tie against Waterford in Nenagh is not what enthuses Croke Park about going down the road they have set themselves on.

How much wider can the gap go really? It's huge at present.  The fact that these 4 teams play in a single tournament with the likes of Dublin, Kerry is ridiculous.

The 2nd bit in bold, sure if they're in the top 2 divisions (which they should be busting themselves to do, then they will compete in tier 1.

But in any proposals, ALL counties should start in Tier 1 through their provinces and maybe after rd 1 / rd 2 of qualifers drop down to tier 2, so EVERYONE has a chance of playing EVERYONE. Surely if a county has intentions of progressing then they'll be using the pre-season / league to gear towards the championship.

3rd bit in bold, alluded to by who? the majority of people I Know are happy enough with a tiered championship and we're not Croke Pk suits or in the media. Though in fairness, a Derry man I was sitting with at the game on Sat was dead against it. Din't really say why, just that 'it'll be a pile of balls'

I wondered if you were from one of the big hitters county wise so had a quick look at your posts), post 1 was

Best football memory: 1999 Sligo JFC Q-Final - Owenmore Gaels 1-7 Ballymote 1-6. How would Owenmore have gotten on in the SFC in Sligo that year?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 13, 2019, 04:28:35 PM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.

Antrim's current progress is currently being ignored by all and sundry. Who's not going to turn up now? Antrim attendances are pathetic. An Ulsterbus would ferry their support about for God's sake. And we haven't even brought in tiering.

If you think this is about an 8 team semi professional setup then I'm afraid it is you who is "talking through their hole"

Can you please define who the "Croke Park suits" are? Names? Where the come from? How they got the jobs? Job terms?

"high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years." Has it crossed your mind that the reason they have been advocating for this is because it might actually help the game?


Whose game is it going to help?

We have tiering in hurling? We're you in the Athletic Grounds last Saturday to see Tyrone being beaten by Armagh in the Rackard Cup.  I'd be shocked if there was 200 at it. 

Whose game is it going to help? It will give the media a product that they want which appears to be Croke Park's over riding objective and it seems to be media support that is one of their key performance indicators.  It will also help those with an "elitism" agenda - which I suspect includes yourself. 

What has Croke Park done to promote the GAA in Ireland's second city.  One of the biggest counties in Ireland is being increasingly lost to the GAA.  Some of the blame lies in Antrim, but if HQ gave even half the attention to Belfast as it does to Dublin in the last 10 years, Antrim would be in a much stronger position now.

We have tiering in hurling? We're you in the Athletic Grounds last Saturday to see Tyrone being beaten by Armagh in the Rackard Cup.  I'd be shocked if there was 200 at it. 

And what is a typical Tyrone crowd at a Hurling game before tiering?
I was at the USFC quarter final in the Athletic Grounds between Tyorne and Antrim and there was 5000 at it, with about 500 Antrim fans. Top level intercounty GAA game and that's the level of interest.

Antrim would want to sort themselves out for fucks sake. Blame the GAA and these Croke park suits all you want but the reality here is that Antrim GAA can barely tog a senior team out in same jerseys. Time people got real and stopped looking for excuses. Antrim and many other Div 3 & 4 teams are basket cases. Look at the mess Offaly is in. No point looking to the GAA when they can't even organise the basics. They don't deserve to be in the same competition until they learn to treat it with a little respect.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 13, 2019, 04:38:25 PM
Trailer, Armagh played Tyrone in the Rackard semi in Inniskeen, not the Athletic Grounds.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 13, 2019, 05:00:47 PM
Trailer, Armagh played Tyrone in the Rackard semi in Inniskeen, not the Athletic Grounds.

That's a quote from APM. He said it was in the Athletic grounds, not me.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 13, 2019, 05:57:14 PM
So to be clear. If we don't tier the championship in football and keep things as they are then the gap from Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway etc to Antrim, Fermanagh, London, Wicklow, Leitrim, Derry etc will narrow and they'll all win provincial and AI titles. Is this what we are saying?

Why are those the only two options you're considering? I think that the current format needs to change but tiered as proposed is not a good idea.

Teams in the 2nd tier will inevitably get less sponsorship and will thus get further and further away from the stronger teams who will get more sponsorship because of more high profile games.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 13, 2019, 11:28:59 PM
If we look at the effort counties put into the playing of Gaelic games there would be ways of improving standards all round, Kilkenny don’t bother with football, same way Armagh Tyrone Leitrim and other counties don’t bother too much with hurling.

If county boards funded all these sports equally we’d have teams playing a similar levels, as it is we’ve Dublin destroying everything in sight and it there my not be a tiered system at the minute, but there’s Dublin and other teams playing for the prize of runner up
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Sportacus on June 13, 2019, 11:48:44 PM
A couple of years after the introduction of tiering and Lenny Harbinson won't be getting asked his opinion too often I would say, as Antrim's serene progress into the latter stages of the Mickey Mouse Cup is equally serenely ignored by all and sundry.

Anyone talking about tiering in the context of improving the game in weaker counties is, quite frankly, talking through their hole.

The longer term rationale behind this is to move to an 8 team semi professional set up, the introduction of the super 8's and tiering are just waystations on the road to this. Getting the GPA in-house and onboard was another one of these.

John Horan and the Croke Park suits won't say this publicly of course, and I would give Horan the benefit of the doubt on this as he thinks he is being a leader when in fact he is a follower, but high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years.

Antrim's current progress is currently being ignored by all and sundry. Who's not going to turn up now? Antrim attendances are pathetic. An Ulsterbus would ferry their support about for God's sake. And we haven't even brought in tiering.

If you think this is about an 8 team semi professional setup then I'm afraid it is you who is "talking through their hole"

Can you please define who the "Croke Park suits" are? Names? Where the come from? How they got the jobs? Job terms?

"high ranking GPA members and media sources who are less inhibited have been openly advocating this for quite a number of years." Has it crossed your mind that the reason they have been advocating for this is because it might actually help the game?


Whose game is it going to help?

We have tiering in hurling? We're you in the Athletic Grounds last Saturday to see Tyrone being beaten by Armagh in the Rackard Cup.  I'd be shocked if there was 200 at it. 

Whose game is it going to help? It will give the media a product that they want which appears to be Croke Park's over riding objective and it seems to be media support that is one of their key performance indicators.  It will also help those with an "elitism" agenda - which I suspect includes yourself. 

What has Croke Park done to promote the GAA in Ireland's second city.  One of the biggest counties in Ireland is being increasingly lost to the GAA.  Some of the blame lies in Antrim, but if HQ gave even half the attention to Belfast as it does to Dublin in the last 10 years, Antrim would be in a much stronger position now.

We have tiering in hurling? We're you in the Athletic Grounds last Saturday to see Tyrone being beaten by Armagh in the Rackard Cup.  I'd be shocked if there was 200 at it. 

And what is a typical Tyrone crowd at a Hurling game before tiering?
I was at the USFC quarter final in the Athletic Grounds between Tyorne and Antrim and there was 5000 at it, with about 500 Antrim fans. Top level intercounty GAA game and that's the level of interest.

Antrim would want to sort themselves out for f**ks sake. Blame the GAA and these Croke park suits all you want but the reality here is that Antrim GAA can barely tog a senior team out in same jerseys. Time people got real and stopped looking for excuses. Antrim and many other Div 3 & 4 teams are basket cases. Look at the mess Offaly is in. No point looking to the GAA when they can't even organise the basics. They don't deserve to be in the same competition until they learn to treat it with a little respect.
Trailer you need to stop winding yourself up about Antrim.  Not good for you.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 14, 2019, 12:01:38 AM
If we look at the effort counties put into the playing of Gaelic games there would be ways of improving standards all round, Kilkenny don’t bother with football, same way Armagh Tyrone Leitrim and other counties don’t bother too much with hurling.

If county boards funded all these sports equally we’d have teams playing a similar levels, as it is we’ve Dublin destroying everything in sight and it there my not be a tiered system at the minute, but there’s Dublin and other teams playing for the prize of runner up

That’s what last years AI final felt like. Tyrone proved to be the best of the rest, and their reward wasn’t really a place in the AI final, or Tyrone competing for Sam. It was just they who will be stuffed by Dublin. I think most people sensed that. Even Tyrone people.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2019, 12:19:28 AM
If we look at the effort counties put into the playing of Gaelic games there would be ways of improving standards all round, Kilkenny don’t bother with football, same way Armagh Tyrone Leitrim and other counties don’t bother too much with hurling.

If county boards funded all these sports equally we’d have teams playing a similar levels, as it is we’ve Dublin destroying everything in sight and it there my not be a tiered system at the minute, but there’s Dublin and other teams playing for the prize of runner up

That’s what last years AI final felt like. Tyrone proved to be the best of the rest, and their reward wasn’t really a place in the AI final, or Tyrone competing for Sam. It was just they who will be stuffed by Dublin. I think most people sensed that. Even Tyrone people.

So it’s not the two best teams fighting it out in a final, it’s really just the other counties fighting it out to get duffed by Dublin, ah I get it now, makes perfect sense, a non tiered competition to become a runner up. Cool set up
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 14, 2019, 12:30:35 AM
Technically, I suppose they were the two best teams, but it was a foregone conclusion the Dubs would win. Probably the most likely AI win in recent times. I can’t recall one as certain as last years. And I don’t say that just to piss Tyrone folk off. I’d say many of them would agree.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 15, 2019, 07:42:03 AM
Technically, I suppose they were the two best teams, but it was a foregone conclusion the Dubs would win. Probably the most likely AI win in recent times. I can’t recall one as certain as last years. And I don’t say that just to piss Tyrone folk off. I’d say many of them would agree.
Yep, that was the first reasonably comfortable All Ireland final win for Dublin.
You must be very young if you can’t remember Kerry waltzing All Ireland finals. Or Kilkenny in hurling.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 15, 2019, 09:23:49 AM
Technically, I suppose they were the two best teams, but it was a foregone conclusion the Dubs would win. Probably the most likely AI win in recent times. I can’t recall one as certain as last years. And I don’t say that just to piss Tyrone folk off. I’d say many of them would agree.
Yep, that was the first reasonably comfortable All Ireland final win for Dublin.
You must be very young if you can’t remember Kerry waltzing All Ireland finals. Or Kilkenny in hurling.

3 and 2 half waltzes for Kerry in my lifetime. Dublin were comfortable enough in 15 as well if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 15, 2019, 09:54:18 AM
Technically, I suppose they were the two best teams, but it was a foregone conclusion the Dubs would win. Probably the most likely AI win in recent times. I can’t recall one as certain as last years. And I don’t say that just to piss Tyrone folk off. I’d say many of them would agree.
Yep, that was the first reasonably comfortable All Ireland final win for Dublin.
You must be very young if you can’t remember Kerry waltzing All Ireland finals. Or Kilkenny in hurling.

Aye, it turned out that way on the day. But few would have predicted a certain Kilkenny win or a big margin of victory. Even Kerry’s wins, none were clear cut beforehand. Dublin’s last year was.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Lone Shark on June 15, 2019, 11:37:18 AM
Technically, I suppose they were the two best teams, but it was a foregone conclusion the Dubs would win. Probably the most likely AI win in recent times. I can’t recall one as certain as last years. And I don’t say that just to piss Tyrone folk off. I’d say many of them would agree.
Yep, that was the first reasonably comfortable All Ireland final win for Dublin.
You must be very young if you can’t remember Kerry waltzing All Ireland finals. Or Kilkenny in hurling.


This is as anecdotal as it gets because it's a sample size of one, but it's the first All Ireland final in living memory that I didn't watch, because I knew it was a foregone conclusion. I never felt that about any Kilkenny or Kerry final, and I don't ever recall any final featuring either of those two where it was impossible to find any decent pundit even entertain the possibility that an upset might happen.

Admittedly I would have watched it if it was Dublin against Monaghan, since I felt that Monaghan were in a good place last year and I would have given them a genuine 5/1 or 6/1 chance of causing a shock. But that didn't happen so I went down the road and watched Portumna hurling against Loughrea instead. I'll do the same for this year's final as well unless some county shows a huge upturn in form in advance of the decider, because right now, there is no county out there that would stay within six points of the Dubs. 

Moreover, it's not like watching Dublin is even enjoyable - they aren't six points better because they display a huge array of skills and deliver breathtaking scores. That's not to say they're not able to, it's that they choose not to. We see low risk football, lots of running, lots of movement, retain the ball and wear the opposition down type stuff, until eventually someone can get a clean shot away from 30 yards out. I don't blame Dublin for that, it's very effective - but it's painfully monotonous. I'd watch Ciarán Kilkenny play for Castleknock all day, because he's allowed use his full range of skills. Watching him play for Dublin is incredibly dull.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 15, 2019, 09:37:29 PM
Technically, I suppose they were the two best teams, but it was a foregone conclusion the Dubs would win. Probably the most likely AI win in recent times. I can’t recall one as certain as last years. And I don’t say that just to piss Tyrone folk off. I’d say many of them would agree.
Yep, that was the first reasonably comfortable All Ireland final win for Dublin.
You must be very young if you can’t remember Kerry waltzing All Ireland finals. Or Kilkenny in hurling.
I think that’s revisionist Benny
Kerry had 2 finals v Mayo where Mayo were given no chance and Kerry delivered with ease.
Kilkenny had finals against Limerick and Waterford where the only thing in doubt was whether the opposition would get within 10 points.

Dublin have been lucky to win 4 in a row, in that Mayo absolutely deserved to win at least one, arguably two. Kerry’s 4 in a row was probably much easier won.

Kerry’s 5 in a row minors was rarely in doubt. And Kerry probably favourites at both minor and U20 this year. Although how they do it without GDOs i’ll never know (maybe because GDOs have zero to do with any player within an asses roar of intercounty development squads)



Aye, it turned out that way on the day. But few would have predicted a certain Kilkenny win or a big margin of victory. Even Kerry’s wins, none were clear cut beforehand. Dublin’s last year was.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 15, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
Mayo 2006 were definitely in with a shout. 2004 maybe not just as much, but neither were a foregone conclusion. Last year, I thought the lead up to the final was very low key for an AI final. And my all accounts, there was plenty of tickets going. I think that said a lot about what the inevitability of the result.

Kilkenny were a formidable team then, and I suppose strong favourites. The margin of victories were big, but I don’t think it was a total inevitably about that beforehand. Maybe hurling people might disagree.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on June 15, 2019, 11:58:33 PM
Mayo 2006 were definitely in with a shout. 2004 maybe not just as much, but neither were a foregone conclusion. Last year, I thought the lead up to the final was very low key for an AI final. And my all accounts, there was plenty of tickets going. I think that said a lot about what the inevitability of the result.

Kilkenny were a formidable team then, and I suppose strong favourites. The margin of victories were big, but I don’t think it was a total inevitably about that beforehand. Maybe hurling people might disagree.

The media and Mayo fans went blindly into the '04 final. We were well warned for the '06 final. 90% of fans went to that final wanting Mayo just to be competitive!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 16, 2019, 08:16:06 PM
Mayo 2006 were definitely in with a shout. 2004 maybe not just as much, but neither were a foregone conclusion. Last year, I thought the lead up to the final was very low key for an AI final. And my all accounts, there was plenty of tickets going. I think that said a lot about what the inevitability of the result.

Kilkenny were a formidable team then, and I suppose strong favourites. The margin of victories were big, but I don’t think it was a total inevitably about that beforehand. Maybe hurling people might disagree.

The media and Mayo fans went blindly into the '04 final. We were well warned for the '06 final. 90% of fans went to that final wanting Mayo just to be competitive!
The nature of their semi-final wins in both years would have played a part in the expectation in the build-up I suppose.

Agree with the comments on last year's final, watched it but only half-heartedly as the outcome was inevitable. For all Kilkenny's dominance of hurling since 2006 there wasn't a final where there was that same feeling. The only proper blowout win was in 2008 and that wasn't anticipated, even if them winning was. And like LS I don't particularly enjoy watching Dublin play anyway for the reasons stated.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: cornetto on June 17, 2019, 11:58:45 AM
Westmeath v Limerick   westmeath

Longford v Tyrone           tyrone

Antrim v Kildare               kildare

Leitrim v Clare                 clare

Down v Mayo                    mayo

Derry v Laois                     derry

Offaly v Sligo                    offaly

Monaghan v Armagh       monaghan
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Kurtz on June 17, 2019, 02:21:28 PM
Technically, I suppose they were the two best teams, but it was a foregone conclusion the Dubs would win. Probably the most likely AI win in recent times. I can’t recall one as certain as last years. And I don’t say that just to piss Tyrone folk off. I’d say many of them would agree.
Yep, that was the first reasonably comfortable All Ireland final win for Dublin.
You must be very young if you can’t remember Kerry waltzing All Ireland finals. Or Kilkenny in hurling.


This is as anecdotal as it gets because it's a sample size of one, but it's the first All Ireland final in living memory that I didn't watch, because I knew it was a foregone conclusion. I never felt that about any Kilkenny or Kerry final, and I don't ever recall any final featuring either of those two where it was impossible to find any decent pundit even entertain the possibility that an upset might happen.

Admittedly I would have watched it if it was Dublin against Monaghan, since I felt that Monaghan were in a good place last year and I would have given them a genuine 5/1 or 6/1 chance of causing a shock. But that didn't happen so I went down the road and watched Portumna hurling against Loughrea instead. I'll do the same for this year's final as well unless some county shows a huge upturn in form in advance of the decider, because right now, there is no county out there that would stay within six points of the Dubs. 

Moreover, it's not like watching Dublin is even enjoyable - they aren't six points better because they display a huge array of skills and deliver breathtaking scores. That's not to say they're not able to, it's that they choose not to. We see low risk football, lots of running, lots of movement, retain the ball and wear the opposition down type stuff, until eventually someone can get a clean shot away from 30 yards out. I don't blame Dublin for that, it's very effective - but it's painfully monotonous. I'd watch Ciarán Kilkenny play for Castleknock all day, because he's allowed use his full range of skills. Watching him play for Dublin is incredibly dull.

When Dublin are tested, they still get the scores though
From positions, that other teams rack up huge wide counts from
I will admit, that they are being tested less and less
They seem to move up a gear and get those crucial scores.
I thought they would have run out of steam by now. But they are producing more talent
to keep the team ticking over.

When I played club football in Dublin in 90's. There was not a single person in my job who played GAA
And most people I knew were in to soccer and rugby. Its all changed
GAA pitches everywhere you look and you see all the kids on Luas heading to practice.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: clarshack on June 17, 2019, 11:09:15 PM
Westmeath v Limerick   westmeath

Longford v Tyrone           tyrone

Antrim v Kildare               kildare

Leitrim v Clare                 clare

Down v Mayo                    mayo

Derry v Laois                     derry

Offaly v Sligo                    offaly

Monaghan v Armagh       monaghan

Are any of these games on TV?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Norf Tyrone on June 17, 2019, 11:52:47 PM
Westmeath v Limerick   westmeath

Longford v Tyrone           tyrone

Antrim v Kildare               kildare

Leitrim v Clare                 clare

Down v Mayo                    mayo

Derry v Laois                     derry

Offaly v Sligo                    offaly

Monaghan v Armagh       monaghan

Are any of these games on TV?

No. The TV companies declined a game so as to take an extra qualifer later on.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 18, 2019, 12:17:19 AM
Westmeath v Limerick   westmeath

Longford v Tyrone           tyrone

Antrim v Kildare               kildare

Leitrim v Clare                 clare

Down v Mayo                    mayo

Derry v Laois                     derry

Offaly v Sligo                    offaly

Monaghan v Armagh       monaghan

I'd say Laois will win in Derry.

There's bound to be one "shock" result also, maybe Antrim, Down or the Larries?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Aaron Boone on June 18, 2019, 12:48:37 AM
It’s unusual not to have Cavan involved in a Saturday qualifier.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: clarshack on June 18, 2019, 10:39:38 AM
Westmeath v Limerick   westmeath

Longford v Tyrone           tyrone

Antrim v Kildare               kildare

Leitrim v Clare                 clare

Down v Mayo                    mayo

Derry v Laois                     derry

Offaly v Sligo                    offaly

Monaghan v Armagh       monaghan

I'd say Laois will win in Derry.

There's bound to be one "shock" result also, maybe Antrim, Down or the Larries?

Think Derry could win with a bit to spare.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2019, 10:54:57 AM
Armagh might beat Monaghan too.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 18, 2019, 12:17:30 PM
No way.
This year's shock will happen in Newry.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: meathie on June 18, 2019, 02:31:46 PM

Westmeath v Limerick   westmeath

Longford v Tyrone           tyrone

Antrim v Kildare               kildare

Leitrim v Clare                 Leitrim

Down v Mayo                    mayo

Derry v Laois                     Laois

Offaly v Sligo                    offaly- just

Monaghan v Armagh       Armagh
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 18, 2019, 03:21:26 PM
Westmeath v Limerick   westmeath

Longford v Tyrone           tyrone

Antrim v Kildare               kildare

Leitrim v Clare                 Clare

Down v Mayo                    mayo

Derry v Laois                     Derry

Offaly v Sligo                    offaly

Monaghan v Armagh       Monaghan
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 18, 2019, 04:27:41 PM
As long as they avoid each other in R3 - Tyrone, Kildare, Monaghan and Mayowestros should make Round 4.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 18, 2019, 04:30:14 PM
As long as they avoid each other in R3 - Tyrone, Kildare, Monaghan and Mayowestros should make Round 4.
If they do i would expect 3 of that 4 to win their R4 ties. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Aristo 60 on June 18, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
No way this year's shock will happen in Newry.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 18, 2019, 04:43:02 PM
As long as they avoid each other in R3 - Tyrone, Kildare, Monaghan and Mayowestros should make Round 4.
If they do i would expect 3 of that 4 to win their R4 ties.

Na, I think Mayo will still come through.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 19, 2019, 08:20:58 AM
No way.
This year's shock will happen in Newry.

It wouldn't be a shock to me.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 19, 2019, 09:07:03 AM
No way.
This year's shock will happen in Newry.

It wouldn't be a shock to me.
Maybee so but Mayo losing would still be seismic, whereas Monaghan’s game v Armagh is as close to 50/50 of any game in the qualifiers. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 19, 2019, 11:05:41 AM
Westmeath v Limerick   Limerick

Longford v Tyrone           Longford

Antrim v Kildare               Antrim AET

Leitrim v Clare                 Leitrim

Down v Mayo                    Down

Derry v Laois                     Derry

Offaly v Sligo                    Sligo AET

Monaghan v Armagh       Armagh
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 19, 2019, 11:10:54 AM
Westmeath v Limerick   Limerick

Longford v Tyrone           Longford

Antrim v Kildare               Antrim AET

Leitrim v Clare                 Leitrim

Down v Mayo                    Down

Derry v Laois                     Derry

Offaly v Sligo                    Sligo AET

Monaghan v Armagh       Armagh

Some accumulator there.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on June 19, 2019, 12:00:37 PM
Westmeath v Limerick   Limerick

Longford v Tyrone          Tyrone - Division 3 teams don't beat Tyrone in qualifiers.  Armagh done it in 2014, but that was a one off.

Antrim v Kildare               Kildare

Leitrim v Clare                 Clare

Down v Mayo                    Mayo

Derry v Laois                     Derry

Offaly v Sligo                    Offaly AET

Monaghan v Armagh         Heart says Armagh AET (head says heart not right in the head) 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 19, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
Do these qualifiers go to extra time? Then extra extra time? Or what’s the story?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Solo_run on June 19, 2019, 01:35:32 PM
Westmeath v Limerick   Westmeath +2

Longford v Tyrone           Tyrone will come good in last quarter +4

Antrim v Kildare               Kildare +6

Leitrim v Clare                 Clare +4

Down v Mayo                    Mayo +4

Derry v Laois                     Laois +2

Offaly v Sligo                    Sligo AET

Monaghan v Armagh       Monaghan - it will be close with 10 minutes to go but Monaghan will rack up scores +5 win. Armagh do well against D1 teams for 60 mins but can't do it for the full 70.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Duine Eile on June 19, 2019, 02:01:43 PM
Am I right in saying the winners of this round are all drawn to play each other in the next round and the winners of those games play the beaten provincial finalists?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: weareros on June 19, 2019, 02:10:06 PM
Am I right in saying the winners of this round are all drawn to play each other in the next round and the winners of those games play the beaten provincial finalists?

Correct.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 19, 2019, 03:01:43 PM
Do these qualifiers go to extra time? Then extra extra time? Or what’s the story?
As i stated on page 1 of this thread all games must find a winner on the day and that includes penalties if required.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 19, 2019, 03:28:22 PM
Benny's memory only lasts for no more than 2 pages ;D
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 19, 2019, 04:10:52 PM
Do these qualifiers go to extra time? Then extra extra time? Or what’s the story?
As i stated on page 1 of this thread all games must find a winner on the day and that includes penalties if required.

I thought the answer might lie in these 11 pages somewhere, but it seemed quicker just to ask here. Aye, I’m a lazy hoor, I know  ;D
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 19, 2019, 04:29:58 PM
Do these qualifiers go to extra time? Then extra extra time? Or what’s the story?
As i stated on page 1 of this thread all games must find a winner on the day and that includes penalties if required.

I thought the answer might lie in these 11 pages somewhere, but it seemed quicker just to ask here. Aye, I’m a lazy hoor, I know  ;D
In fairness, there can be some confusion.
A replay in Ulster goes: Extra Time - Extra Extra Time - Penalties
A qualifier just goes: Extra Time - Penalties

no idea how replays in the other provinces go, and we're unlikely to find out this year at this stage!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 19, 2019, 04:35:19 PM
With 2 weeks between qualifiers (so far, anyway), why can a replay not happen? We are turning into the feckin’ English FA.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 19, 2019, 04:54:19 PM
With 2 weeks between qualifiers (so far, anyway), why can a replay not happen? We are turning into the feckin’ English FA.

The qualifiers are back to back from now on i think
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 19, 2019, 05:15:28 PM
Rounds 2,3 and 4 in successive weeks.
We voted for tighter schedules for Inter County but added 2 extra rounds of Quarter Final fixtures so....
Did I tell ye Ros are the first team to make the Quarter Finals this year?
And bet 2 Div 1 teams plus Leitrim to get there.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 19, 2019, 05:24:54 PM
Do these qualifiers go to extra time? Then extra extra time? Or what’s the story?
As i stated on page 1 of this thread all games must find a winner on the day and that includes penalties if required.

I thought the answer might lie in these 11 pages somewhere, but it seemed quicker just to ask here. Aye, I’m a lazy hoor, I know  ;D
In fairness, there can be some confusion.
A replay in Ulster goes: Extra Time - Extra Extra Time - Penalties
A qualifier just goes: Extra Time - Penalties

no idea how replays in the other provinces go, and we're unlikely to find out this year at this stage!

All explained here.


Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 19, 2019, 05:57:55 PM
Rounds 2,3 and 4 in successive weeks.
We voted for tighter schedules for Inter County but added 2 extra rounds of Quarter Final fixtures so....
Did I tell ye Ros are the first team to make the Quarter Finals this year?
And bet 2 Div 1 teams plus Leitrim to get there.

Ah yes. There has to be a winner on the day so they can stick to their Super 8 schedule. We can’t have a Leitrim Wicklow replay ballsing up the cash cow competition now, can we?

But as you say, a condensed county calendar. Take off a couple of Sundays from the start, and add them on to the end bit. Yip, that’ll do it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 19, 2019, 06:36:58 PM
That's what ye voted for.....
So there could be more weekends for club games.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 19, 2019, 09:22:49 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 19, 2019, 10:21:49 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

Sold out
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: David McKeown on June 19, 2019, 10:57:24 PM
Rounds 2,3 and 4 in successive weeks.
We voted for tighter schedules for Inter County but added 2 extra rounds of Quarter Final fixtures so....
Did I tell ye Ros are the first team to make the Quarter Finals this year?
And bet 2 Div 1 teams plus Leitrim to get there.

Not sure about that. Pretty sure Dublin and Kerry booked their places as soon as it was confirmed they had entered
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 20, 2019, 12:08:56 AM
We've qualified, neither of them have yet.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 20, 2019, 12:38:40 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

Sold out

The fact they had to push tickets and that they weren't massively oversubscribed is an embarrassment.
No 2nd tier! No one will be interested!!!!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

Sold out

The fact they had to push tickets and that they weren't massively oversubscribed is an embarrassment.
No 2nd tier! No one will be interested!!!!

Push? It was on social media, the PR people promoting games? Should he not do that? I didnt realise Antrim were the only county that uses social media to inform people about games. Some counties are missing a trick here..
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 20, 2019, 02:00:35 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

Sold out

The fact they had to push tickets and that they weren't massively oversubscribed is an embarrassment.
No 2nd tier! No one will be interested!!!!

Push? It was on social media, the PR people promoting games? Should he not do that? I didnt realise Antrim were the only county that uses social media to inform people about games. Some counties are missing a trick here..

Yes, push. That's correct. You read that correctly. Well done.

2.5k capacity and they were pushing the tickets as it was not fully subscribed. But no, you are against a 2nd tier as it will not have any interest levels. I am trying to point out how absurd your view is. Antrim football is on life support. Continuing to do the same thing they have always done will not help it.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on June 20, 2019, 02:36:57 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

A bit of manners would go long way. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they have limited mental capacity.  Comments like that speak volumes. 

If it was a second tier game, they could push all they like, but can't imagine them selling 2.5k tickets for the visit of Sligo in the equivalent of the Nicky Rackard Cup.  They would be lucky to get 200. At least in this game they have the chance of taking Kildare's scalp and there are plenty that see an upset on the cards.

Wonder if you'd be making the same argument if Tyrone were in Division 3.  Wonder what you would be saying if Tyrone, Kildare or Mayo were to be beaten by Division 3 opposition on Saturday. Not out of the question that one of those results will go the way of the underdog. Now that I've mentioned it, it probably won't happen - but Derry, Down, Mayo and Monaghan have all been beaten by Longford in the past. Your big idea would rob us of the opportunity of a result like that happening again; which is great for Longford supporters and enlivens the qualifers. 

I'd wager that for supporters, those wins are worth far more than beating Wexford, Limerick and Carlow to lift the Jim Joe McGillicuddy Shield. 

There are a couple of Longfordians on here.  Would love their views. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 20, 2019, 02:58:47 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

A bit of manners would go long way. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they have limited mental capacity.  Comments like that speak volumes. 

If it was a second tier game, they could push all they like, but can't imagine them selling 2.5k tickets for the visit of Sligo in the equivalent of the Nicky Rackard Cup.  They would be lucky to get 200. At least in this game they have the chance of taking Kildare's scalp and there are plenty that see an upset on the cards.

Wonder if you'd be making the same argument if Tyrone were in Division 3.  Wonder what you would be saying if Tyrone, Kildare or Mayo were to be beaten by Division 3 opposition on Saturday. Not out of the question that one of those results will go the way of the underdog. Now that I've mentioned it, it probably won't happen - but Derry, Down, Mayo and Monaghan have all been beaten by Longford in the past. Your big idea would rob us of the opportunity of a result like that happening again; which is great for Longford supporters and enlivens the qualifers. 

I'd wager that for supporters, those wins are worth far more than beating Wexford, Limerick and Carlow to lift the Jim Joe McGillicuddy Shield. 

There are a couple of Longfordians on here.  Would love their views.
Larries are best left to themselves, not comfortable in the limelight, content with memories of pissing on peoples parades.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 20, 2019, 03:26:28 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

A bit of manners would go long way. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they have limited mental capacity.  Comments like that speak volumes. 

If it was a second tier game, they could push all they like, but can't imagine them selling 2.5k tickets for the visit of Sligo in the equivalent of the Nicky Rackard Cup.  They would be lucky to get 200. At least in this game they have the chance of taking Kildare's scalp and there are plenty that see an upset on the cards.

Wonder if you'd be making the same argument if Tyrone were in Division 3.  Wonder what you would be saying if Tyrone, Kildare or Mayo were to be beaten by Division 3 opposition on Saturday. Not out of the question that one of those results will go the way of the underdog. Now that I've mentioned it, it probably won't happen - but Derry, Down, Mayo and Monaghan have all been beaten by Longford in the past. Your big idea would rob us of the opportunity of a result like that happening again; which is great for Longford supporters and enlivens the qualifers. 

I'd wager that for supporters, those wins are worth far more than beating Wexford, Limerick and Carlow to lift the Jim Joe McGillicuddy Shield. 

There are a couple of Longfordians on here.  Would love their views.

Ok if Tyrone were in Div 3 or 4 I would have a different opinion. I would be of the opinion of introducing a 3rd tier!
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings but I can see no rational reason for not supporting the tiering of the championship. None!

Antrim have a chance of taking a Kildare scalp? ROFL!!
Have you got anymore jokes? That's a really good one.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 20, 2019, 05:40:23 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

A bit of manners would go long way. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they have limited mental capacity.  Comments like that speak volumes. 

If it was a second tier game, they could push all they like, but can't imagine them selling 2.5k tickets for the visit of Sligo in the equivalent of the Nicky Rackard Cup.  They would be lucky to get 200. At least in this game they have the chance of taking Kildare's scalp and there are plenty that see an upset on the cards.

Wonder if you'd be making the same argument if Tyrone were in Division 3.  Wonder what you would be saying if Tyrone, Kildare or Mayo were to be beaten by Division 3 opposition on Saturday. Not out of the question that one of those results will go the way of the underdog. Now that I've mentioned it, it probably won't happen - but Derry, Down, Mayo and Monaghan have all been beaten by Longford in the past. Your big idea would rob us of the opportunity of a result like that happening again; which is great for Longford supporters and enlivens the qualifers. 

I'd wager that for supporters, those wins are worth far more than beating Wexford, Limerick and Carlow to lift the Jim Joe McGillicuddy Shield. 

There are a couple of Longfordians on here.  Would love their views.

Ok if Tyrone were in Div 3 or 4 I would have a different opinion. I would be of the opinion of introducing a 3rd tier!
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings but I can see no rational reason for not supporting the tiering of the championship. None!

Antrim have a chance of taking a Kildare scalp? ROFL!!
Have you got anymore jokes? That's a really good one.

Kildare were well beaten by Division 4 Carlow last summer and a month ago only fell over the line v Wicklow.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 20, 2019, 06:20:54 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

A bit of manners would go long way. Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that they have limited mental capacity.  Comments like that speak volumes. 

If it was a second tier game, they could push all they like, but can't imagine them selling 2.5k tickets for the visit of Sligo in the equivalent of the Nicky Rackard Cup.  They would be lucky to get 200. At least in this game they have the chance of taking Kildare's scalp and there are plenty that see an upset on the cards.

Wonder if you'd be making the same argument if Tyrone were in Division 3.  Wonder what you would be saying if Tyrone, Kildare or Mayo were to be beaten by Division 3 opposition on Saturday. Not out of the question that one of those results will go the way of the underdog. Now that I've mentioned it, it probably won't happen - but Derry, Down, Mayo and Monaghan have all been beaten by Longford in the past. Your big idea would rob us of the opportunity of a result like that happening again; which is great for Longford supporters and enlivens the qualifers. 

I'd wager that for supporters, those wins are worth far more than beating Wexford, Limerick and Carlow to lift the Jim Joe McGillicuddy Shield. 

There are a couple of Longfordians on here.  Would love their views.

Ok if Tyrone were in Div 3 or 4 I would have a different opinion. I would be of the opinion of introducing a 3rd tier!
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings but I can see no rational reason for not supporting the tiering of the championship. None!

Antrim have a chance of taking a Kildare scalp? ROFL!!
Have you got anymore jokes? That's a really good one.

Kildare were well beaten by Division 4 Carlow last summer and a month ago only fell over the line v Wicklow.

Sure don’t let facts get in the way
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 20, 2019, 09:27:09 PM
Remind me which group Carlow were in during the Super 8's?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2019, 09:32:47 PM
I think if Antrim were a one code county they’d be more successful and have a bigger following.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 20, 2019, 10:18:22 PM
Camogie?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 20, 2019, 10:20:15 PM
Rounders?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 20, 2019, 10:49:52 PM
Rounders?

Surprised you know about other sports, I know Tyrone came to the fore in the nougties but it was played before that
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thebuzz on June 20, 2019, 11:05:46 PM
Antrim pushing tickets still for a game with 2.5k capacity. But if there's a 2nd tier no one will be interested in going to games. A joke argument made by people who have limited mental capacity.

Trailer you're a rather unpleasant little internet warrior when people have different opinions from yourself.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 21, 2019, 08:33:14 AM
Remind me which group Carlow were in during the Super 8's?

Remind me who beat Kildare, and beat them well, in the Leinster championship  last year.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 21, 2019, 09:28:04 AM
Remind me which group Carlow were in during the Super 8's?

Remind me who beat Kildare, and beat them well, in the Leinster championship  last year.

1. Kildare hadn't won a game in a year prior to that match.
2. Carlow had just been promoted and were riding the crest of a wave. It was primed for a shock.
3. Antrim 2019 are not Carlow 2018
4. Antrim have never beaten Kildare.
5. Kildare have the second most wins of a county in the qualifiers.

I am not saying Antrim won't win but it would be a very large shock, Kildare did ok against Dublin and the scoreline flattered Dublin a little. We are suffocated in Leinster but by and by do better in the qualifiers. 7 quarter final appearances in 11 season would testify to that.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 21, 2019, 09:55:20 AM
The little teams have their moments in May not June.
June is for reality checks.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 21, 2019, 11:37:17 AM
Exactly. June is when the Championship starts. Once the ground hardens the thoroughbreds come to the fore.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Low and Hard on June 21, 2019, 02:46:51 PM
What game/s are on tv Saturday evening ? RTE or sky?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 21, 2019, 02:53:26 PM
Cork v Kerry on RTÉ.
Sky not lowering themselves for Preliminaries.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 21, 2019, 04:06:47 PM
Are qualifier tickets bought in Supervalu/Centra same price or cheaper than at the ground?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 21, 2019, 04:39:01 PM
Exactly. June is when the Championship starts. Once the ground hardens the thoroughbreds come to the fore.
I thought it began in mid July with the super-dooper eight thingy?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 21, 2019, 05:00:58 PM
As a reminder for round 3.

That draw will take place next Monday morning at 8:30am.

The Round 3 draw involves all the winners from Round 2 draw against each other.

The first team drawn will have home advantage - exception: A Division 3 or 4 team from the current year's  league drawn against a Div1 or 2 team will have home advantage (Home Venues shall be subject to approval by CCCC.)

The draw is subject to avoidance of repeat pairings, where feasible. Possible repeat pairings include Antrim v Tyrone, Longford v Kildare, Derry v Tyrone, Westmeath v Laois & Down v Armagh.

The fixtures scheduled for weekend of June 29th & 30th.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 21, 2019, 05:42:50 PM
Exactly. June is when the Championship starts. Once the ground hardens the thoroughbreds come to the fore.
I thought it began in mid July with the super-dooper eight thingy?
That's Tier 1 ;)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 21, 2019, 10:04:34 PM
Westmeath lads, has Jack Smith got a run at all? Was a very good half back at underage for the Dubs, but never got a look in at senior.

The Derry lad on the Wooly podcast said (when talking about Kerry letting Cox go very easily to Rossies) that he knew Jim Gavin made a call to a player who was asked to join another county, to say he’s still on the radar, and hold off for another year. Given the Derry lad plays for Skerries Harps, i’d guess he was talking about Jack’s brother Stephen, who’s an absolute topper of a corner forward. Admittedly small, but very quick, can take a bang, and great scorer.

There’s another younger brother coming too, and I believe he’d be well worth keeping an eye on.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on June 22, 2019, 08:38:21 AM
Westmeath lads, has Jack Smith got a run at all? Was a very good half back at underage for the Dubs, but never got a look in at senior.

The Derry lad on the Wooly podcast said (when talking about Kerry letting Cox go very easily to Rossies) that he knew Jim Gavin made a call to a player who was asked to join another county, to say he’s still on the radar, and hold off for another year. Given the Derry lad plays for Skerries Harps, i’d guess he was talking about Jack’s brother Stephen, who’s an absolute topper of a corner forward. Admittedly small, but very quick, can take a bang, and great scorer.

There’s another younger brother coming too, and I believe he’d be well worth keeping an eye on.
Was thinking same when heard Conan Doherty mention it on the podcast. Highly rated in Dublin footballing circles but may just lack physicality for a Dubs forward line?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 22, 2019, 08:43:22 AM
Westmeath lads, has Jack Smith got a run at all? Was a very good half back at underage for the Dubs, but never got a look in at senior.

The Derry lad on the Wooly podcast said (when talking about Kerry letting Cox go very easily to Rossies) that he knew Jim Gavin made a call to a player who was asked to join another county, to say he’s still on the radar, and hold off for another year. Given the Derry lad plays for Skerries Harps, i’d guess he was talking about Jack’s brother Stephen, who’s an absolute topper of a corner forward. Admittedly small, but very quick, can take a bang, and great scorer.

There’s another younger brother coming too, and I believe he’d be well worth keeping an eye on.
Was thinking same when heard Conan Doherty mention it on the podcast. Highly rated in Dublin footballing circles but may just lack physicality for a Dubs forward line?
Well already we’ve got the 5 of Rock, Costello, Con, Mannion and Andrews fighting for 3 places, and Bernard giving it one last (forlorn) lash to try and get in the mix. So very hard to even get a chance to put yourself in the mix.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 22, 2019, 08:44:56 AM
Reminder of the throw-in times.

Anyone who knows what local radio stations are providing live commentary might throw up the details, given none are on the box.

SATURDAY 22 JUNE

All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers Round 2
Antrim v Kildare, Corrigan Park, 3pm
Derry v Laois, Owenbeg, 5pm
Longford v Tyrone, Glennon Brothers Pearse Park, 5pm
Leitrim v Clare, Avantcard Páirc Seán MacDiarmada, 6pm
Westmeath v Limerick, TEG Cusack Park, 6pm
Down v Mayo, Páirc Esler, 7pm
Monaghan v Armagh, Clones, 7pm

SUNDAY 23 JUNE

All-Ireland SFC  Qualifier Round 2
Offaly v Sligo, O'Connor Park, 2pm
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: cornetto on June 22, 2019, 09:15:39 AM
I would only know mid west radio for mayo match,but the hoganstand live updates are brilliant and have a refresh button for each game so you do get the scores as they happen.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Schkite on June 22, 2019, 09:46:44 AM
For Monaghan/Armagh, you'll be able to listen to the dulcet tones of Nudie Hughes on Northern Sound.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 22, 2019, 10:26:59 AM
Shannonside will be doing Laythrum and Larries games.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 22, 2019, 11:20:27 AM
Reminder of the throw-in times.

Anyone who knows what local radio stations are providing live commentary might throw up the details, given none are on the box.

SATURDAY 22 JUNE

All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers Round 2
Antrim v Kildare, Corrigan Park, 3pm
Derry v Laois, Owenbeg, 5pm
Longford v Tyrone, Glennon Brothers Pearse Park, 5pm
Leitrim v Clare, Avantcard Páirc Seán MacDiarmada, 6pm
Westmeath v Limerick, TEG Cusack Park, 6pm
Down v Mayo, Páirc Esler, 7pm
Monaghan v Armagh, Clones, 7pm

SUNDAY 23 JUNE

All-Ireland SFC  Qualifier Round 2
Offaly v Sligo, O'Connor Park, 2pm

KFM will be carrying the Kildare as always, they are pretty good and as neutral as can be expected for a local station.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on June 22, 2019, 12:19:38 PM
Reminder of the throw-in times.

Anyone who knows what local radio stations are providing live commentary might throw up the details, given none are on the box.

SATURDAY 22 JUNE

All-Ireland SFC Qualifiers Round 2
Antrim v Kildare, Corrigan Park, 3pm
Derry v Laois, Owenbeg, 5pm
Longford v Tyrone, Glennon Brothers Pearse Park, 5pm
Leitrim v Clare, Avantcard Páirc Seán MacDiarmada, 6pm
Westmeath v Limerick, TEG Cusack Park, 6pm
Down v Mayo, Páirc Esler, 7pm
Monaghan v Armagh, Clones, 7pm

SUNDAY 23 JUNE

All-Ireland SFC  Qualifier Round 2
Offaly v Sligo, O'Connor Park, 2pm

KFM will be carrying the Kildare as always, they are pretty good and as neutral as can be expected for a local station.

Radio 3 for our game.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2019, 03:11:21 PM
Antrim on radio ulster AM 1341
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 22, 2019, 03:38:54 PM
Half time in the first of the round 2 ties.

Antrim 0-6 Kildare 0-13 from the 13th minute to the 30th Kildare outscored the home side 0-7 to 0-0.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 22, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
Nicely done Kildare
1-25 to 0-14
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 22, 2019, 04:35:48 PM
Full time Antrim 0-14 Kildare 1-25. The Lillywhites stroll into round 3.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 22, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
I’ve had to abandon Longford on Shannonside. 2 early goals fecked that game up!
So switching to Laois - Midlands 103
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 22, 2019, 06:04:58 PM
Antrim showing why we must implement a tiered championship immediately. Stuffed by double scores in front of 2.5k spectators. To save our Gaelic football games we must address these inadequacies immediately.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2019, 06:17:47 PM
Antrim showing why we must implement a tiered championship immediately. Stuffed by double scores in front of 2.5k spectators. To save our Gaelic football games we must address these inadequacies immediately.

How’d Tyrone do in the hurling this weekend?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 22, 2019, 06:36:11 PM
Antrim showing why we must implement a tiered championship immediately. Stuffed by double scores in front of 2.5k spectators. To save our Gaelic football games we must address these inadequacies immediately.

How’d Tyrone do in the hurling this weekend?

Please revert to the hurling discussion section.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: laoislad on June 22, 2019, 06:40:12 PM
FT
Laois 1-13
Derry 0-12
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 22, 2019, 06:40:57 PM
Half time in the 6pm throw ins.

Leitrim 0-6 Clare 2-12
Westmeath 1-9 Limerick 0-5
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: under the bar on June 22, 2019, 06:42:48 PM
Antrim showing why we must implement a tiered championship immediately. Stuffed by double scores in front of 2.5k spectators. To save our Gaelic football games we must address these inadequacies immediately.
Yes but the ladies World Cup was on at the same time....
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 22, 2019, 06:42:52 PM
I’ve had to abandon Longford on Shannonside. 2 early goals fecked that game up!
So switching to Laois - Midlands 103
Great stuff Laois.
Bad start fecked up Longford , great 1-2 at the end for anyone who had them on the +8 spread

Now come on Westmeath, put the hammer down
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: under the bar on June 22, 2019, 07:07:38 PM
I’ve had to abandon Longford on Shannonside. 2 early goals fecked that game up!
So switching to Laois - Midlands 103
Great stuff Laois.
Bad start fecked up Longford ,great 1-2 at the end for anyone who had them on the +8 spread


Most of the Tyrone team I expect! ;)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on June 22, 2019, 07:21:28 PM
Antrim showing why we must implement a tiered championship immediately. Stuffed by double scores in front of 2.5k spectators. To save our Gaelic football games we must address these inadequacies immediately.
Yes but the ladies World Cup was on at the same time....
You do realise that the game was a sell out?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 22, 2019, 07:36:23 PM
Results from the 6pm games

Leitrim 0-17 Clare 3-17
Westmeath 2-13 Limerick 1-10

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 22, 2019, 08:30:42 PM
Antrim showing why we must implement a tiered championship immediately. Stuffed by double scores in front of 2.5k spectators. To save our Gaelic football games we must address these inadequacies immediately.

How’d Tyrone do in the hurling this weekend?

Please revert to the hurling discussion section.

This is the GAA section, unless hurling has changed association then it’s still GAA discussion. I’ll bring it up here if I want. So how’s that tiered structure going for Tyrone hurling?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Gmac on June 22, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 22, 2019, 08:53:30 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?

Next weekend AFAIK

Mayo
Armagh
Tyrone
Clare
Laois
Westmeath
Sligo/Offaly
Kildare

Tyrone and Armagh are the two I'd like to avoid
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 22, 2019, 08:57:49 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?

Page 1 of this thread.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 22, 2019, 09:00:06 PM
Would like Tyrone, Armagh, Kildare, Mayo to avoid each other
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on June 22, 2019, 09:01:37 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?

Next weekend AFAIK

Mayo
Armagh
Tyrone
Clare
Laois
Westmeath
Sligo/Offaly
Kildare

Tyrone and Armagh are the two I'd like to avoid

Armagh away would be interesting.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on June 22, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Would like Tyrone, Armagh, Kildare, Mayo to avoid each other

Is the boredom killing you Hound?

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Esmarelda on June 22, 2019, 09:03:32 PM
Would like Tyrone, Armagh, Kildare, Mayo to avoid each other
Yeah then we could have some more posts in favour of a tiered championship.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 22, 2019, 09:04:16 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?

Next weekend AFAIK

Mayo
Armagh
Tyrone
Clare
Laois
Westmeath
Sligo/Offaly
Kildare

Tyrone and Armagh are the two I'd like to avoid

Should be some tasty ties there - if Laois end up playing Westmeath it would be for the 4th time this year and in all 3 games the winning margin was a goal or less.

Scratch that, repeat fixtures are to be avoided in Round 3 if possible. Laois v Westmeath is the only possible repeat fixture from those 9 teams.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Solo_run on June 22, 2019, 09:07:53 PM
Armagh v Sligo/Offaly
Tyrone v Laois
Mayo v Clare
Westmeath v Kildare
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 22, 2019, 09:11:53 PM
Armagh v Sligo/Offaly
Tyrone v Laois
Mayo v Clare
Westmeath v Kildare

Tyrone can't get a home game against Laois and Armagh can't get a home game against either of Sligo or Offaly due to the rules on venues.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: trailer on June 22, 2019, 09:37:51 PM
Antrim showing why we must implement a tiered championship immediately. Stuffed by double scores in front of 2.5k spectators. To save our Gaelic football games we must address these inadequacies immediately.

How’d Tyrone do in the hurling this weekend?

Please revert to the hurling discussion section.

This is the GAA section, unless hurling has changed association then it’s still GAA discussion. I’ll bring it up here if I want. So how’s that tiered structure going for Tyrone hurling?

Reported
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Solo_run on June 22, 2019, 09:40:00 PM
Armagh v Sligo/Offaly
Tyrone v Laois
Mayo v Clare
Westmeath v Kildare

Tyrone can't get a home game against Laois and Armagh can't get a home game against either of Sligo or Offaly due to the rules on venues.

Indeed. But hopefully that is the draw
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on June 22, 2019, 09:52:05 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?

Next weekend AFAIK

Mayo
Armagh
Tyrone
Clare
Laois
Westmeath
Sligo/Offaly
Kildare

Tyrone and Armagh are the two I'd like to avoid

Laois , Westmeath, Sligo / Offaly could get a home match , (depending on the draw) .
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: armaghniac on June 22, 2019, 09:53:33 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?

Next weekend AFAIK

Mayo
Armagh
Tyrone
Clare
Laois
Westmeath
Sligo/Offaly
Kildare

Tyrone and Armagh are the two I'd like to avoid

Laois , Westmeath, Sligo / Offaly could get a home match , (depending on the draw) .

Armagh generally seem to go to Westmeath.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on June 22, 2019, 11:15:48 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?

Next weekend AFAIK

Mayo
Armagh
Tyrone
Clare
Laois
Westmeath
Sligo/Offaly
Kildare

Tyrone and Armagh are the two I'd like to avoid

Laois , Westmeath, Sligo / Offaly could get a home match , (depending on the draw) .

Armagh generally seem to go to Westmeath.

Would take another trip there, it’s been a happy hunting ground recently
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: balladmaker on June 22, 2019, 11:32:12 PM
When is next round of qualifiers?

Next weekend AFAIK

Mayo
Armagh
Tyrone
Clare
Laois
Westmeath
Sligo/Offaly
Kildare

Tyrone and Armagh are the two I'd like to avoid

Laois , Westmeath, Sligo / Offaly could get a home match , (depending on the draw) .

Armagh generally seem to go to Westmeath.

Would take another trip there, it’s been a happy hunting ground recently

After tonight’s win, bring it on baby .... would like to see Mayo making a trip north to Armagh ... or even a jaunt down to Castlebar would be interesting.  Don’t want Armagh/Tyrone, but have a feeling that’s what it’ll be.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: SouthDublinBro on June 23, 2019, 06:20:13 PM
There are still 5 Leinster teams left. That flies in the face of the narrative on this board that Dublin are only successful due to playing in a supposedly weak province.

Kerry have a far easier time every year in munster.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: kerryforsam19 on June 23, 2019, 08:14:30 PM
There are still 5 Leinster teams left. That flies in the face of the narrative on this board that Dublin are only successful due to playing in a supposedly weak province.

Kerry have a far easier time every year in munster.

Bullshit. Cork,Tipp and Clare would be competitive in Connacht and Leinster(without Dublin)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 23, 2019, 10:55:21 PM
In order of preference:

Offaly
Westmeath
Laois
Clare
Kildare
Tyrone
Armagh
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 11:01:03 PM
In order of preference:

Offaly
Westmeath
Laois
Clare
Kildare
Tyrone
Armagh

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: clarshack on June 23, 2019, 11:04:58 PM
Are Geezer’s Armagh now as as good as Geezer’s Kildare from the early years of this decade?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on June 23, 2019, 11:07:23 PM
Are Geezer’s Armagh now as as good as Geezer’s Kildare from the early years of this decade?
Cavan bate them....
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: under the bar on June 23, 2019, 11:19:16 PM
Are Geezer’s Armagh now as as good as Geezer’s Kildare from the early years of this decade?
The Kildare team who were that good they won nothing?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: cornetto on June 23, 2019, 11:19:36 PM
So the super 8 groups are taking shape,
Kerry
Donegal
Galway or who beats them rd 3
Meath or who beats them rd 3

Dublin
Roscommon
Cork or who beats them rd 3
Cavan or who beats them rd 3
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Solo_run on June 23, 2019, 11:23:59 PM
So the super 8 groups are taking shape,
Kerry
Donegal
Galway or who beats them rd 3
Meath or who beats them rd 3

Dublin
Roscommon
Cork or who beats them rd 3
Cavan or who beats them rd 3

Meath, Tyrone, Mayo and Galway
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: under the bar on June 23, 2019, 11:26:20 PM
Not sure which poster recommended the Leinster handicap but I went with Laois, Offaly, Kildare, Longford and Westmeath; 4 quads and a 5 timer.  Got one quad up @ 15/1.  But for Westmeath going to sleep and letting a man beat 7 of them to score a consolation goal it would have been a very lucrative day!  Cheers to whoever put it up.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: joemamas on June 23, 2019, 11:37:47 PM
Tyrone’s charity at the end killed me on a treble.
 >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 24, 2019, 07:52:43 AM
Not sure which poster recommended the Leinster handicap but I went with Laois, Offaly, Kildare, Longford and Westmeath; 4 quads and a 5 timer.  Got one quad up @ 15/1.  But for Westmeath going to sleep and letting a man beat 7 of them to score a consolation goal it would have been a very lucrative day!  Cheers to whoever put it up.
Me.

I'd €15 on the 5 fold at 30/1. Westmeath won by 6 but needed to win by more than 7. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 24, 2019, 08:42:11 AM
Next Round 3...

Mayo v Armagh

Kildare v Tyrone

Westmeath v Clare

Offaly v Laois

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: toby47 on June 24, 2019, 08:45:35 AM
Great draw for the neutrals
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2019, 08:46:34 AM
Next Round 3...

Mayo v Armagh

Kildare v Tyrone

Westmeath v Clare

Offaly v Laois

Hmmm interesting was my first thought. Can't say I know much about Armagh apart from the fact they beat Monaghan well. Mayo's home form nothing to write home about either.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dire Ear on June 24, 2019, 08:51:58 AM
Apart from Mayo, Kildare the next toughest for Tyrone?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: smelmoth on June 24, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
Looks like 4 best teams paired off in first 2 ties. Really opens up the potential for some of the lesser teams to reach the super 8s as the defeated provincial finalists are largely weaker than say Tyrone or Mayo.

If Mayo get themselves sorted out they should have too much for us. We seemed to have picked up a few injuries we can’t afford. That said if Mayo are not firing they give us a puncher’s chance and we have the firepower to punish that
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: David McKeown on June 24, 2019, 08:55:16 AM
No luck for Armagh. Chances of drawing Monaghan away followed by Mayo away are about 223:1 I won’t make it unfortunately so just got to hope it’s the right time on the telly.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 08:57:45 AM
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 08:58:28 AM
Short straw for Armagh.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2019, 08:59:10 AM
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: galwayman on June 24, 2019, 09:00:53 AM
Very interesting game in Castlebar.
Think I will take a spin down to it.
Could be a cracker
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: naka on June 24, 2019, 09:21:29 AM
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?
armagh have more than a punchers chance, we played well last week and Mayo will play a style that suits us.
dont be surprised if we pull off a shock.
although we need Murnin and Grimley fit
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Schkite on June 24, 2019, 09:25:24 AM
I'd give Armagh every chance in that game, they're looking better every time I see them
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: highorlow on June 24, 2019, 09:33:18 AM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 24, 2019, 09:39:04 AM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: rosnarun on June 24, 2019, 09:43:34 AM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on June 24, 2019, 09:47:49 AM
Westmeath lads, has Jack Smith got a run at all? Was a very good half back at underage for the Dubs, but never got a look in at senior.

The Derry lad on the Wooly podcast said (when talking about Kerry letting Cox go very easily to Rossies) that he knew Jim Gavin made a call to a player who was asked to join another county, to say he’s still on the radar, and hold off for another year. Given the Derry lad plays for Skerries Harps, i’d guess he was talking about Jack’s brother Stephen, who’s an absolute topper of a corner forward. Admittedly small, but very quick, can take a bang, and great scorer.

There’s another younger brother coming too, and I believe he’d be well worth keeping an eye on.

Played corner back Saturday. Played a couple of games in the league at wing forward. Hasn't really improved the team but hasn't disgraced himself either. Probably a little light for this level.

Not a great performance from us Saturday, we've gone back to playing within ourselves. Match should have been killed when Halligan got his goal at half time but Limerick were allowed waltz through us a few times. Need to bring a lot more intensity the next day against Clare. Draw was kind again but would have preferred the Biffos, least we're at home although a trip to Ennis would have been good craic. Need Heslin and Duncan fit to start.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: keeperlit on June 24, 2019, 09:50:01 AM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 10:25:47 AM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

They filmed The Quiet Man?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on June 24, 2019, 11:01:37 AM
Have Mayo ever lost a qualifier game at home?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: stephenite on June 24, 2019, 11:15:07 AM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.

Yeah, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head as he was lying on the ground
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 24, 2019, 11:43:07 AM
Does anyone know if Armagh beat Mayo, is it possible for them to play Cavan or is that fixture not permitted?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 24, 2019, 11:46:29 AM
Round 4 rules mention avoiding Provincial repeats "where feasible "
So Galway and Cork can play any Qualifier
Meath can't play Laois
Cavan can't play Armagh
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 24, 2019, 11:49:01 AM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.

Yeah, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head as he was lying on the ground

No he didn't. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 24, 2019, 11:51:27 AM
Round 4 rules mention avoiding Provincial repeats "where feasible "
So Galway and Cork can play any Qualifier
Meath can't play Laois
Cavan can't play Armagh

Really? I thought that wasnt the case. That is good for Cavan I think, Obviously our best chance to avoid the Tyrone/Kildare and Mayo/Armagh winners.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: shark on June 24, 2019, 12:16:22 PM
Westmeath lads, has Jack Smith got a run at all? Was a very good half back at underage for the Dubs, but never got a look in at senior.

The Derry lad on the Wooly podcast said (when talking about Kerry letting Cox go very easily to Rossies) that he knew Jim Gavin made a call to a player who was asked to join another county, to say he’s still on the radar, and hold off for another year. Given the Derry lad plays for Skerries Harps, i’d guess he was talking about Jack’s brother Stephen, who’s an absolute topper of a corner forward. Admittedly small, but very quick, can take a bang, and great scorer.

There’s another younger brother coming too, and I believe he’d be well worth keeping an eye on.

Played corner back Saturday. Played a couple of games in the league at wing forward. Hasn't really improved the team but hasn't disgraced himself either. Probably a little light for this level.

Not a great performance from us Saturday, we've gone back to playing within ourselves. Match should have been killed when Halligan got his goal at half time but Limerick were allowed waltz through us a few times. Need to bring a lot more intensity the next day against Clare. Draw was kind again but would have preferred the Biffos, least we're at home although a trip to Ennis would have been good craic. Need Heslin and Duncan fit to start.

I would say he was certainly referring to Stephen Smith. Their father Peter played for Westmeath in the late 80's, early 90's, and won a few senior championships with Mullingar Shamrocks. Based on what I've heard of Stephen, he would be good enough to take a place on the vast majority of county teams.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: stephenite on June 24, 2019, 12:19:34 PM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.

Yeah, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head as he was lying on the ground

No he didn't.

Hard to believe we were arguing about it back then all those years ago, but yes, he did.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 24, 2019, 12:21:42 PM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.

Yeah, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head as he was lying on the ground

No he didn't.

Hard to believe we were arguing about it back then all those years ago, but yes, he did.

No, he really didn't and I believe I can prove it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: stephenite on June 24, 2019, 12:27:42 PM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.

Yeah, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head as he was lying on the ground

No he didn't.

Hard to believe we were arguing about it back then all those years ago, but yes, he did.

No, he really didn't and I believe I can prove it.

If you could that’d be great, genuinely. I only have a memory in my minds eye, and I’d love to put it to bed after 15 years. More than happy to stand corrected
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on June 24, 2019, 12:29:32 PM
Very tough draw for Armagh, but couple of things:

Great win over Monaghan: Positives; keeper in better form, better kickouts and managed high ball reasonably well.  Marked their key men very tightly and isolated the man in possession and turned over the ball very well on a couple of occasions.  Some very strong hits going in, particularly after the second goal, when there was a danger of us inviting Monaghan back into the game.  Excellent direct attacking play; kick passing into space and fwds making good runs and giving options - we were patient when needed.  We hit very few wides, generally took the right option and took our goal chances well. 

Negatives: Monaghan didn't look that hungry for it and a bit clueless. They kicked 2 or 3 garryowens at various stages; forwards didn't look confident to shoot and passing responsibility.  They really seem to have lost their mojo, which is a pity, because they are a team that I admire a lot.

Injuries are a concern, but maybe an opportunity for Oisin O'Neill to come in. All the great teams have a couple of sets of brothers playing together. 

Qualifier draw: Glad we avoided Tyrone - If we are going to get a lesson from a division 1 side, then I'd prefer it wasn't Tyrone. Offaly probably the easiest draw but beyond that, none of the games are that straightforward, particularly if away from home.  Laois are always hateful opponents, Westmeath hitting a bit of form and Clare should have had us beaten last year if their goalie hadn't got injured.

But there is nothing to lose in the Mayo match: If we click, like we did against Monaghan and perform for the full 70 minutes, we can give them a game and nothing to fear. Some great battles potentially. O'Se v Burns; Clarke v Higgins? 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on June 24, 2019, 12:32:50 PM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.

Yeah, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head as he was lying on the ground

No he didn't.

Hard to believe we were arguing about it back then all those years ago, but yes, he did.

No, he really didn't and I believe I can prove it.

If you could that’d be great, genuinely. I only have a memory in my minds eye, and I’d love to put it to bed after 15 years. More than happy to stand corrected

We didn't qualify for the 2004 League semi-final!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on June 24, 2019, 12:54:06 PM
Round 4 rules mention avoiding Provincial repeats "where feasible "
So Galway and Cork can play any Qualifier
Meath can't play Leix Offaly
Cavan can't play Armagh
Fixed that for you 😉😜, while simultaneously causing outrage in Leix.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: stephenite on June 24, 2019, 01:04:37 PM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.

Yeah, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head as he was lying on the ground

No he didn't.

Hard to believe we were arguing about it back then all those years ago, but yes, he did.

No, he really didn't and I believe I can prove it.

If you could that’d be great, genuinely. I only have a memory in my minds eye, and I’d love to put it to bed after 15 years. More than happy to stand corrected

We didn't qualify for the 2004 League semi-final!

 ;D

OK, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head in a match, sometime between 2000 and 2010
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 24, 2019, 01:09:38 PM
Are you sure it wasn’t PJ McGrane?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: keeperlit on June 24, 2019, 01:11:27 PM
Quote
Tough draw for us, Armagh are improving while we look to be waning. They'll fancy their chances of taking down a "big" team here I'd say.

Have we ever played in championship before?

1950 semi final.

We all know what happened after that.

It's ON!!!
its a sifn its a sign .
though im nearly sure we played in a 1/4 final or some thing since then . I rember armagh giving mayo a good beating on ther day . it was in croker maybe a league Semi?

League semi final 2004 I think.

Yeah, Paul McGrane kicked Ronan McGarrity in the head as he was lying on the ground

No he didn't.

Hard to believe we were arguing about it back then all those years ago, but yes, he did.

No, he really didn't and I believe I can prove it.

If you could that’d be great, genuinely. I only have a memory in my minds eye, and I’d love to put it to bed after 15 years. More than happy to stand corrected

We didn't qualify for the 2004 League semi-final!

Apologies- 2005 league semi final then!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 24, 2019, 02:58:37 PM
Throw in times and what games are on TV confirmed.

Saturday June 29

Kildare v Tyrone, St Conleth's Park, 5pm LIVE ON SKY

Westmeath v Clare, TEG Cusack Park, 6pm

Laois v Offaly, O'Moore Park, 7pm

Mayo v Armagh, Elverys MacHale Park, 7pm LIVE ON SKY
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: meathie on June 24, 2019, 03:55:56 PM
I presume the final round 4 will be all neutral then? Trying to figure out possibilities who we can/cant draw with which I know is virtually impossible at this time! Im meant to be away on the 5th/6th but obviously our game could be on the 6th but I need to cancel the event by this Friday if I want a refund!! 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on June 24, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
I presume the final round 4 will be all neutral then? Trying to figure out possibilities who we can/cant draw with which I know is virtually impossible at this time! Im meant to be away on the 5th/6th but obviously our game could be on the 6th but I need to cancel the event by this Friday if I want a refund!!
Yep R4 is neutral.
Very likely to be 2 on Saturday and 2 on Sunday.
Unless one of the hurling provincial finals is a draw, then there'll likely be 3 of the football R4 games on Saturday and just 1 on Sunday (which happened last year).
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: meathie on June 24, 2019, 05:20:44 PM
cheers Hound. Decisions!!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on June 25, 2019, 10:07:51 AM
Yer man with the Offaly jersey wasn’t behind the goal in Tullamore at the Offaly London qualifier. Or is it Portlaoise he’s always at?

He has got himself a stewards job!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 29, 2019, 11:54:06 PM
So we are down to 12 still standing. 

Leinster have 3 left - Dublin, Meath and Laois

Ulster have 3 left - Donegal, Cavan and Tyrone

Connacht have 3 left - Roscommon, Galway and Mayo

Munster have 3 left - Kerry, Cork and Clare.

Such equality between the provinces is rare.  Pity the winner is so easily chosen.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 12:28:56 AM
Unless the draw puts some of them together in Round 4 the last 8 most likely to be Tyrone, Mayowestros, Galway and Cavan plus the 4 Provincial Champions.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on June 30, 2019, 01:05:34 AM
Galway playing like they did in the Connacht final when Roscommon made it a real championship match in the second half wouldn't beat any of them, collapsed like a house of cards, absolutely wretched stuff.
We'll see if there's any kick in them but I was waiting all year to see what would be the championship form, so far it's been extremely disappointing to say the least.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 30, 2019, 02:24:35 AM
If Tyrone v Galway and Mayo v Meath OR  Tyrone v Meath and Mayo v Cork

A Group of Death will likely appear...

Donegal, Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo   OR   Dublin, Roscommon, Tyrone , Mayo
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thejuice on June 30, 2019, 07:52:36 AM
Meath can’t meet Laois again. Would love to play Mayo. It’s been too long since we last met in a championship game.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 30, 2019, 08:08:53 AM
Meath can’t meet Laois again. Would love to play Mayo. It’s been too long since we last met in a championship game.

Of course you would. Ye keep beating us.

Very wary of all four teams. All could land the fatal blow to Mayo this year.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: giveballaghback on June 30, 2019, 09:42:59 AM
Ros/Dub group is already the group of death with realistically only one semi final spot between ros and whoever the 2 qualifiers are, first qualifer up gets a tanking from dublin thats for sure and then ros have their match at a neutral venue against dubs in cp.
The last thing we need is to see tyrone or the green and red again but I suppose when you are in the so called super 8s you are at the sharp end. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 11:00:00 AM
True ballagh.
No easy games....but then again Laois , Meath and Clare are only 70 minutes from the last 8.
And of course we get 2 away games but it would be mean spirited  to complain when 2 thirds of the Congress said that's OK.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: grassHarrow on June 30, 2019, 11:43:39 AM
No team will be afraid of being in Kerrys group after the Cork display AND now that  PK&TG are taking the training sessions. (MF&DB in the stands looking on ... great  view)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on June 30, 2019, 11:51:39 AM
Galway playing like they did in the Connacht final when Roscommon made it a real championship match in the second half wouldn't beat any of them, collapsed like a house of cards, absolutely wretched stuff.
We'll see if there's any kick in them but I was waiting all year to see what would be the championship form, so far it's been extremely disappointing to say the least.

Very much look like a team where the manager has run out of road in the championship this year and a new voice is needed.

I can't help but shake the notion that, like Monaghan and Kildare, some of the squad might not be all that pushed about getting to the Super 8 again this year.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on June 30, 2019, 12:12:56 PM
No team will be afraid of being in Kerrys group after the Cork display AND now that  PK&TG are taking the training sessions. (MF&DB in the stands looking on ... great  view)

I think Cork are being underestimated, they have turned a corner, they could cause plenty trouble for someone yet.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: J70 on June 30, 2019, 12:18:07 PM
True ballagh.
No easy games....but then again Laois , Meath and Clare are only 70 minutes from the last 8.
And of course we get 2 away games but it would be mean spirited  to complain when 2 thirds of the Congress said that's OK.

Complain away.

Its not your fault that two thirds of the Congress are f**king idiots.

Meanwhile, I'm sure plenty of those two thirds whine away about the advantages and favouritism the Dubs enjoy.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on June 30, 2019, 12:24:28 PM
Galway playing like they did in the Connacht final when Roscommon made it a real championship match in the second half wouldn't beat any of them, collapsed like a house of cards, absolutely wretched stuff.
We'll see if there's any kick in them but I was waiting all year to see what would be the championship form, so far it's been extremely disappointing to say the least.

Very much look like a team where the manager has run out of road in the championship this year and a new voice is needed.

I can't help but shake the notion that, like Monaghan and Kildare, some of the squad might not be all that pushed about getting to the Super 8 again this year.
Galway got a bigger beating in the 2017 Connacht final v Roscommon and recovered to win the round 4 tie v Donegal 4-17 to 0-14.  They should beat Clare,Laois if drawn against them and if paired v Mayo it could go either way. I can't see Galway beating Tyrone though. Kevin Walsh has done 5 years now he will likely have to reach another AI semi final to be kept on for a 6th year.


Monaghan couldn't have notions of reaching the last 8 again when they couldn't produce any decent run of form this summer.  Kildare and Cian O'Neill had one big win last year and that win v Mayo wouldn't have happened but for a siege mentality was built up what followed was a very winnable round 4 tie. Any notion was gone for them this year when drawn v Tyrone.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 30, 2019, 12:31:10 PM
No team will be afraid of being in Kerrys group after the Cork display AND now that  PK&TG are taking the training sessions. (MF&DB in the stands looking on ... great  view)

I think Cork are being underestimated, they have turned a corner, they could cause plenty trouble for someone yet.

Turned a corner because they had one decent performance? Cork are always capable of those 1 of those game v Mayo 2 years ago was a prime example. Next weekend will tell where Cork really stand and prove if they have improved or not. Last 4 years they have been knocked out at the round 4 stage and lets not forget they were relegated to Div 3 this spring.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thejuice on June 30, 2019, 01:46:02 PM
Meath can’t meet Laois again. Would love to play Mayo. It’s been too long since we last met in a championship game.

Of course you would. Ye keep beating us.

Very wary of all four teams. All could land the fatal blow to Mayo this year.

Ten years since the last one. We were on a family holiday in France for it. Found an Irish pub but it was closed when the match was on. Had to make do with RTE Radio through the TV.

Only Mickey Burke is still involved for us. Aiden O’Shea must have only been a gasún.

Meath: P O'Rourke, C O'Connor, A Moyles, E Harrington, S Kenny, C McGuinness, C King, N Crawford (0-1), B Meade, P Byrne, J Sheridan (0-4), M Burke, D Bray (1-3), B Farrell (0-3), C Ward (1-2, 1-0 pen, 1f, 1 '45).

Subs: J Queeney (0-2) for Byrne (55), Byrne for O'Connor (66), N McKeigue for Kenny (68)

Mayo: K O'Malley, D Vaughan, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (0-1), P Gardiner, T Howley, A Moran (0-1), D Heaney, R McGarrity, P Harte, T Mortimer (0-2), A Dillon (0-3, 3f), A Kilcoyne (0-3), T Parsons, A O'Shea (1-1).

Subs: C Mortimer (0-4, 2f) for Parsons (h-t), M Ronaldson for Kilcoyne (40), L O'Malley for Vaughan (43), BJ Padden for O'Shea (63), Parsons for Heaney (66)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on June 30, 2019, 02:01:48 PM
Meath can’t meet Laois again. Would love to play Mayo. It’s been too long since we last met in a championship game.

Of course you would. Ye keep beating us.

Very wary of all four teams. All could land the fatal blow to Mayo this year.

Ten years since the last one. We were on a family holiday in France for it. Found an Irish pub but it was closed when the match was on. Had to make do with RTE Radio through the TV.

Only Mickey Burke is still involved for us. Aiden O’Shea must have only been a gasún.

Meath: P O'Rourke, C O'Connor, A Moyles, E Harrington, S Kenny, C McGuinness, C King, N Crawford (0-1), B Meade, P Byrne, J Sheridan (0-4), M Burke, D Bray (1-3), B Farrell (0-3), C Ward (1-2, 1-0 pen, 1f, 1 '45).

Subs: J Queeney (0-2) for Byrne (55), Byrne for O'Connor (66), N McKeigue for Kenny (68)

Mayo: K O'Malley, D Vaughan, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (0-1), P Gardiner, T Howley, A Moran (0-1), D Heaney, R McGarrity, P Harte, T Mortimer (0-2), A Dillon (0-3, 3f), A Kilcoyne (0-3), T Parsons, A O'Shea (1-1).

Subs: C Mortimer (0-4, 2f) for Parsons (h-t), M Ronaldson for Kilcoyne (40), L O'Malley for Vaughan (43), BJ Padden for O'Shea (63), Parsons for Heaney (66)

Aidan O'Shea's last year as a minor was 2008 so was probably 19 for that match.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on June 30, 2019, 02:54:14 PM
Meath can’t meet Laois again. Would love to play Mayo. It’s been too long since we last met in a championship game.

Of course you would. Ye keep beating us.

Very wary of all four teams. All could land the fatal blow to Mayo this year.

Ten years since the last one. We were on a family holiday in France for it. Found an Irish pub but it was closed when the match was on. Had to make do with RTE Radio through the TV.

Only Mickey Burke is still involved for us. Aiden O’Shea must have only been a gasún.

Meath: P O'Rourke, C O'Connor, A Moyles, E Harrington, S Kenny, C McGuinness, C King, N Crawford (0-1), B Meade, P Byrne, J Sheridan (0-4), M Burke, D Bray (1-3), B Farrell (0-3), C Ward (1-2, 1-0 pen, 1f, 1 '45).

Subs: J Queeney (0-2) for Byrne (55), Byrne for O'Connor (66), N McKeigue for Kenny (68)

Mayo: K O'Malley, D Vaughan, G Cafferkey, K Higgins (0-1), P Gardiner, T Howley, A Moran (0-1), D Heaney, R McGarrity, P Harte, T Mortimer (0-2), A Dillon (0-3, 3f), A Kilcoyne (0-3), T Parsons, A O'Shea (1-1).

Subs: C Mortimer (0-4, 2f) for Parsons (h-t), M Ronaldson for Kilcoyne (40), L O'Malley for Vaughan (43), BJ Padden for O'Shea (63), Parsons for Heaney (66)

It was his 29th birthday yesterday so would have been 19 for that game.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: weareros on June 30, 2019, 03:32:37 PM
True ballagh.
No easy games....but then again Laois , Meath and Clare are only 70 minutes from the last 8.
And of course we get 2 away games but it would be mean spirited  to complain when 2 thirds of the Congress said that's OK.

We should do #NeutralorNowhere. It’s some reward for winning Connacht: last two games away. Even the qualifier teams will have only one away.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 03:38:05 PM
No team will be afraid of being in Kerrys group after the Cork display AND now that  PK&TG are taking the training sessions. (MF&DB in the stands looking on ... great  view)

I think Cork are being underestimated, they have turned a corner, they could cause plenty trouble for someone yet.

Turned a corner because they had one decent performance? Cork are always capable of those 1 of those game v Mayo 2 years ago was a prime example. Next weekend will tell where Cork really stand and prove if they have improved or not. Last 4 years they have been knocked out at the round 4 stage and lets not forget they were relegated to Div 3 this spring.

Cork generally are a team who react in the face of stinging criticism. They were wrote off against Kerry and came out fired up to prove people wrong. Last week was a moral victory, they will now rest on their laurels and I expect them to exit meekly in the next round.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: meathie on June 30, 2019, 04:23:52 PM
If Meath v Tyrone would that be Clones? Or Meath Mayo or Meath v Clare in Tullamore?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: armaghniac on June 30, 2019, 05:44:34 PM
If Meath v Tyrone would that be Clones? Or Meath Mayo or Meath v Clare in Tullamore?

Meath v Tyrone has two good options, Breffni and Clones.
Perhaps Clones could  be considered for Meath-Mayo, it has a large capacity and is in a different province.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: giveballaghback on June 30, 2019, 08:36:35 PM
If its Mayo v Galway it will be in Hyde park, Galway supporters wont travel so it will be like a home game for the rhubarbs. Tomas O Shea will be salivating at all those match ups he was looking forward too. In every championship preview he did he talked about the Mayo/Galway Connacht final and how interesting those match ups would be.
Us rossies will make sure its a great occasion and leave no stone unturned for the crowning of the 2nd best team in Connacht.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 30, 2019, 09:19:05 PM
If Meath v Tyrone would that be Clones? Or Meath Mayo or Meath v Clare in Tullamore?

The Hyde would be closer to halfway I'd say, Longford would hardly be big enough

Presumably the Hyde also if it's Mayo v Galway or Mayo v Cavan; Ennis if it's Cork v Mayo
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 30, 2019, 09:41:58 PM
If Meath v Tyrone would that be Clones? Or Meath Mayo or Meath v Clare in Tullamore?

The Hyde would be closer to halfway I'd say, Longford would hardly be big enough

Presumably the Hyde also if it's Mayo v Galway or Mayo v Cavan; Ennis if it's Cork v Mayo

Omagh to Clones = 54km

Navan to Clones = 85km (taking Principal towns in each county)

****************************************************

Omagh to Roscommon Town = 144km

Navan to Roscommon  = 119km

So to increase the distance substantially for both counties (in the event that they're drawn), Hyde Park would be the choice, for very superficial reasons I would suggest. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on June 30, 2019, 09:45:47 PM
If Meath v Tyrone would that be Clones? Or Meath Mayo or Meath v Clare in Tullamore?

The Hyde would be closer to halfway I'd say, Longford would hardly be big enough

Presumably the Hyde also if it's Mayo v Galway or Mayo v Cavan; Ennis if it's Cork v Mayo

Omagh to Clones = 54km

Navan to Clones = 85km (taking Principal towns in each county)

****************************************************

Omagh to Roscommon Town = 144km

Navan to Roscommon  = 119km

So to increase the distance substantially for both counties (in the event that they're drawn), Hyde Park would be the choice, for very superficial reasons I would suggest.

Eh, I was referring to a potential Mayo v Meath game
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 30, 2019, 09:49:32 PM
Eh, I was referring to a potential Mayo v Meath game

Even less of a trek for your lads then! ;)

For Meath - Tyrone, Breffni should be in with a decent shout I'd say:

Omagh to Cavan Town = 81km

Navan to Cavan Town = 67km

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Redhand Santa on June 30, 2019, 09:49:56 PM
Newry wouldn’t be bad shout for Tyrone Meath. There could be two double headers depending on how
 Draw goes. Meath mayo and Tyrone Cavan would make a good double header in clones for example.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 09:59:48 PM
The venues would likely be:

Tyrone - Cavan (Clones/Enniskillen)
Tyrone - Galway (Sligo)
Tyrone - Meath (Cavan/Clones)
Tyrone - Cork (Tullamore/Portlaoise)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Main Street on June 30, 2019, 10:07:12 PM
St Tiernach's Park has the seating capacity, double and triple  the other options,  though the venue would render an unfair advantage to Tyrone.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 30, 2019, 10:14:41 PM
Predictions

Cavan v Tyrone (double header with u20)
Mayo v laois (need Mayo for the crowds)
Meath v westmeath (need Leinster team so we can pretend Leinster not shit)
Galway v Cork (need one of these big boys through)

I saw it in my crystal ball
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on June 30, 2019, 10:21:17 PM
Predictions

Cavan v Tyrone (double header with u20)
Mayo v laois (need Mayo for the crowds)
Meath v westmeath (need Leinster team so we can pretend Leinster not shit)
Galway v Cork (need one of these big boys through)

I saw it in my crystal ball

You need to check your ball again...to see if Clare is still around.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: MayoBuck on June 30, 2019, 10:25:42 PM
Predictions

Cavan v Tyrone (double header with u20)
Mayo v laois (need Mayo for the crowds)
Meath v westmeath (need Leinster team so we can pretend Leinster not shit)
Galway v Cork (need one of these big boys through)

I saw it in my crystal ball

You need to check your ball again...to see if Clare is still around.

It's also impossible for mayo to play Laois and Galway to play Cork!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: clarshack on June 30, 2019, 10:26:38 PM
Hope we don’t get Cavan. No disrespect but Tyrone v Cavan games are often boring enough affairs. There’s always a bit of spice with Tyrone v Meath.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on June 30, 2019, 11:33:41 PM
Predictions

Cavan v Tyrone (double header with u20)
Mayo v laois (need Mayo for the crowds)
Meath v westmeath (need Leinster team so we can pretend Leinster not shit)
Galway v Cork (need one of these big boys through)

I saw it in my crystal ball

You need to check your ball again...to see if Clare is still around.

It's also impossible for mayo to play Laois and Galway to play Cork!

Lol

Crystal ball malfunction. Fecking unreliable yokes.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 01, 2019, 06:27:34 AM
If its Galway v Mayo, I believe that both counties are happy enough to toss a coin rather than go to the Hyde, besides it seems the Hyde would rather not have a match so that they can get the pitch ready for the following week
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: galwayman on July 01, 2019, 07:21:51 AM
If its Galway v Mayo, I believe that both counties are happy enough to toss a coin rather than go to the Hyde, besides it seems the Hyde would rather not have a match so that they can get the pitch ready for the following week
It doesn’t work like that in the qualifiers.
The two counties don’t have a say in it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Ball Hopper on July 01, 2019, 08:44:32 AM
Round 4 draw:

Cork v Laois

Meath v Clare

Cavan v Tyrone

Galway v Mayo
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 08:45:38 AM
Jaysus.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Cavan19 on July 01, 2019, 08:48:48 AM
FFS  >:(
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 08:50:57 AM
Well likely end up with Tymoan and Cork in our group.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
Well likely end up with Tymoan and Cork in our group.

Yea. No pressure for ye in the first game so.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on July 01, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
And first round of Super 8

Dublin v Cork/Laois
Roscommon v Cavan/Tyrone
Kerry v Galway/Mayo
Donegal v Meath/Clare
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Duine Eile on July 01, 2019, 08:57:42 AM
Well what a surprise, Galway Mayo. ::) Will the home away arrangement apply here I wonder?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on July 01, 2019, 08:59:35 AM
Am I being paranoid to start being suspicious about these draws.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 09:04:12 AM
Well what a surprise, Galway Mayo. ::) Will the home away arrangement apply here I wonder?

Salthill isn't neutral  ;)

Don't know what to make of the draw. Yes ye've been totally shit in the championship so far, but we can't seem to win a game of any kind against ye 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: mrdeeds on July 01, 2019, 09:10:17 AM
Cork will be in Super 8s having bet Limerick and Laois.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on July 01, 2019, 09:12:27 AM
Am I being paranoid to start being suspicious about these draws.

Not at all
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 01, 2019, 09:13:12 AM
Am I being paranoid to start being suspicious about these draws.

Yes because it was a bad draw for the gaa. They wont have wanted Cork/Laois near the super 8s and would have preferred Mayo and Galway both making it. There could be teams bow out weakly after 2 games and nothing to play for in the third.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 01, 2019, 09:15:31 AM
Well what a surprise, Galway Mayo. ::) Will the home away arrangement apply here I wonder?
Probably Hyde Park next Sat evening.  Hard to see us turning over Mayo this time unless there is a major improvement on that pathetic second half display in Salthill. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thejuice on July 01, 2019, 09:17:10 AM
Both Meath and Clare will be happy with that draw anyway
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 01, 2019, 09:18:00 AM
That draw has killed the Super 8 as spectacle.

Clare/Meath/Laois/Cork

Going to see me some heavy beatings administered as the big boys crank into gear.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 01, 2019, 09:19:45 AM
Well what a surprise, Galway Mayo. ::) Will the home away arrangement apply here I wonder?
Probably Hyde Park next Sat evening.  Hard to see us turning over Mayo this time unless there is a major improvement on that pathetic second half display in Salthill.

If there is anything to improve Galway it is the sight of Mayo jerseys!
Not the draw I would have preferred for Mayo, but it will be an interesting week. Both teams missing personnel and neither in great form.
We're due a win against Galway, but again we've been saying that for a while
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: clarshack on July 01, 2019, 09:28:23 AM
That draw has killed the Super 8 as spectacle.

Clare/Meath/Laois/Cork

Going to see me some heavy beatings administered as the big boys crank into gear.

anyone know who Dublin's away game in the super 8's is against?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: kopite on July 01, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
 :dubs first two at home and then away to tyrone/cavan
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2019, 09:32:53 AM
Delighted to get Galway, we absolutely have to beat them and hopefully it’ll put an end to Walsh
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: clarshack on July 01, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
That draw has killed the Super 8 as spectacle.

Clare/Meath/Laois/Cork

Going to see me some heavy beatings administered as the big boys crank into gear.

anyone know who Dublin's away game in the super 8's is against?

correct me if i'm wrong but for Tyrone to make the All-Ireland semi-final it's a likely case of overcoming Cavan, then Roscommon and Cork/Laois in the group stage?
Roscommon away is the most difficult game there.  That is the game that will decide 2nd place.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: meathie on July 01, 2019, 09:39:27 AM
except for the little matter of Dublin clarshack
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 09:40:50 AM
That draw has killed the Super 8 as spectacle.

Clare/Meath/Laois/Cork

Going to see me some heavy beatings administered as the big boys crank into gear.

anyone know who Dublin's away game in the super 8's is against?

correct me if i'm wrong but for Tyrone to make the All-Ireland semi-final it's a likely case of overcoming Cavan, then Roscommon and Cork/Laois in the group stage?
Roscommon away is the most difficult game there.  That is the game that will decide 2nd place.

Yea think that's it. It's probably the best draw Tyrone could have hoped for.
Dublin coming to omagh again. Get the buckets of paint out!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Norf Tyrone on July 01, 2019, 09:44:24 AM
except for the little matter of Dublin clarshack

Yeah but Clarshack's point is if Tyrone beat Cavan, Roscommon and say Cork the Dublin game is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: clarshack on July 01, 2019, 09:45:18 AM
except for the little matter of Dublin clarshack

Dublin going to beat everyone in the group anyway so all that matters is 2nd place.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2019, 09:52:14 AM
Round 4 draw:

Cork v Laois

Meath v Clare

Cavan v Tyrone

Galway v Mayo

Possible venues:

Cork v Laois & Meath v Clare - double header in semple maybe? Or Nowlan Park? Chances are it'll be a small enough crowd even with 4 teams involved

Cavan v Tyrone - Clones or Enniskillen

Mayo v Galway - Hyde
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2019, 09:56:01 AM
Will Mayo v Galway be played as a double header with the ladies replay? Although I think that would mean Galway ladies giving up home advantage for a neutral venue
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 01, 2019, 09:56:48 AM
I don't know who has the pick of games but sky could like a double header for their two. Would Roscommon be deemed to small to host Meath Clare followed by Galway Mayo if sky went for those games? Couldn't see the first game attracting a huge crowd anyway.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: LilySavage on July 01, 2019, 09:59:47 AM
Likely 2 dead rubbs last round in Pool A again. Dubs v Tyrone be a glorified challenge match. The gaa need to hold fire on announcing the fixtures beforehand.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2019, 10:01:07 AM
The likely super 8 groups after that round 4 draw.

Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Meath

Dublin
Tyrone
Roscommon
Cork

Likely All Ireland semi finals

Donegal v Tyrone
Mayo v Dublin

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on July 01, 2019, 10:07:12 AM
I have a sneaky feeling Laois might beat cork.

Also I think Clare will give Meath their fill of it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: meathie on July 01, 2019, 10:07:34 AM
Round 4 draw:

Cork v Laois

Meath v Clare

Cavan v Tyrone

Galway v Mayo

Possible venues:

Cork v Laois & Meath v Clare - double header in semple maybe? Or Nowlan Park? Chances are it'll be a small enough crowd even with 4 teams involved

Cavan v Tyrone - Clones or Enniskillen

Mayo v Galway - Hyde

I would imagine Sky will want Gal/Mayo and Tyrone/Cavan so those games probably at 5 and 7 on saturday and Cork/laois on sunday afternoon for RTE maybe. And Meath/Clare wherever fits in the rest!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: JP on July 01, 2019, 10:08:33 AM
That is a frustrating draw, for the second week in a row the 4 strongest teams play against each other.

The winners of Cork/Laois and Meath/Clare are going to get some beatings in the quarter finals.

Cork could get through to the last 8 by beating Limerick (Div 4) & Laois (Div 3). For Armagh to make the super 8's they would have had to beat 3 Division 1 teams in a row (Monaghan, Mayo & Galway).

Time to consider seedings in the backdoor?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on July 01, 2019, 10:10:00 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on July 01, 2019, 10:10:48 AM
Be good to see Clare in it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 01, 2019, 10:14:59 AM
Round 4 draw:

Cork v Laois

Meath v Clare

Cavan v Tyrone

Galway v Mayo

Possible venues:

Cork v Laois & Meath v Clare - double header in semple maybe? Or Nowlan Park? Chances are it'll be a small enough crowd even with 4 teams involved

Cavan v Tyrone - Clones or Enniskillen

Mayo v Galway - Hyde

I would imagine Sky will want Gal/Mayo and Tyrone/Cavan so those games probably at 5 and 7 on saturday and Cork/laois on sunday afternoon for RTE maybe. And Meath/Clare wherever fits in the rest!

Do sky have first pick on their two games and rte third pick?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on July 01, 2019, 10:15:21 AM
I have a sneaky feeling Laois might beat cork.

Also I think Clare will give Meath their fill of it.

Was thinking the same actually, 8/1 double
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2019, 10:16:51 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

Says who? the championship is still somewhat of a cup competition (luck of the draw and all that) and the window of opportunity for a underdog story should not be closed shut.  My own view however is that groups for the last 8 is daft.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thejuice on July 01, 2019, 10:21:33 AM
It’s an awful lot of football to play just to eliminate 4 teams. (Or it’s actually a great way to squeeze more money out of us idiots who go to these games).
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on July 01, 2019, 10:21:40 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

Spot on!! Posted this a few weeks back.  Pretty appropriate now given this draw! However, it seems a bit much to ask of the GAA for fair play these days given that they don't think the obscene funding of Dublin is an issue. 

The Championship has been like this since day dot.  Weaker teams have been dumped out routinely by stronger teams.  The quality and competitiveness should improve as the competition progresses.  Unseeded players don't win often in the first round of Wimbledon (some don't even win a game or a set) against the best players.  However, you do get the odd upset and that's what the underdogs live for. 

I would make several changes though to the existing system. Firstly, I would seed the teams based on league performance both in the provincial championship and the qualifiers.  We shouldn't really have a situation where weaker teams (like London in 2013) reach the provincial final due to being on the easy side of the draw, while Roscommon, Mayo and Galway knock eachother out. Same for the qualifiers; it is wrong to have two All-Ireland contenders knocked out in the first round and finding themselves pitted against each other in the first round of the qualifiers, while say Wicklow progresses because they beat London.

In Leinster for example, there shouldn't be an open draw (I know it's not open at the moment, but can see no sense in putting Meath in the preliminary round).  The four highest ranked teams in the league shouldn't enter the competition until the QF stage.  The other six teams can play-off for the right to get through - again the Leinster preliminary round should be seeded with the Top 4 ranked teams in the league playing the bottom four ranked teams (top playing bottom, second playing second last, third playing 3rd last). That would at least mean that the teams coming into to play in quarter finals would at least be there on some kind of merit. 

Secondly, I would change the qualifier system to ensure that the point at which you enter the qualifiers is based not on the stage you reach in your provincial championship, but based on the number of games you have won in your province.

Teams that lose their first game should go into the 1st round of the qualifiers.   
Teams that win one game and lose one game in their province, should go into the 2nd round of the qualifiers.
Teams that win two games and lose one game should go into the 3rd round of the qualifiers

This would mean that Cork, who are now in a Munster Final, by virtue of hammering Limerick, should join the second round of the qualifiers if they lose to Kerry. This would reward a team like Limerick who if they made a Munster Final this year would have done so by beating Tipp and Cork.


Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 10:22:18 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

This year's FA cup semi final featured Wolves, Watford and Brighton!

There's nothing you can do to stop smaller teams in a cup stoke competition. It's just the luck of the draw, doesn't mean the system is flawed.

The only way to overcome it is to have a league, which would involve a huge amount of dead rubbers.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 10:25:15 AM
It’s an awful lot of football to play just to eliminate 4 teams. (Or it’s actually a great way to squeeze more money out of us idiots who go to these games).

Or it provides more entertainment and excitement for fans by having more games. I think it was a big success last year, given the draw. This year might not be as exciting.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2019, 10:30:17 AM
Apparently the Hyde isn’t fit for this and we’ll be sent to Limerick
Tht would probably suit us, bigger pitch
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: seafoid on July 01, 2019, 10:30:59 AM
Well what a surprise, Galway Mayo. ::) Will the home away arrangement apply here I wonder?
Probably Hyde Park next Sat evening.  Hard to see us turning over Mayo this time unless there is a major improvement on that pathetic second half display in Salthill.

If there is anything to improve Galway it is the sight of Mayo jerseys!
Not the draw I would have preferred for Mayo, but it will be an interesting week. Both teams missing personnel and neither in great form.
We're due a win against Galway, but again we've been saying that for a while
Is Mayo's drop in form a U or an L ?
The sight of that green and red jersey will motivate Galway anyway .
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: recyclebin on July 01, 2019, 10:31:21 AM
Exciting for who? Kildare and Roscommon were hammered. Go back to straight knockout for quarter finals and scrap the super 8s. We don't have 8 super teams.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 10:31:38 AM
The likely super 8 groups after that round 4 draw.

Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Meath

Dublin
Tyrone
Roscommon
Cork

Likely All Ireland semi finals

Donegal v Tyrone
Mayo v Dublin
I recall a lot of chaps and pundits predicting a Galway v Mayowestros Conbacht Final ;D
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Laois Rising on July 01, 2019, 10:33:07 AM
The appeal of a Cup competition is the draws its throws up and opportunities it can some time afford teams to go on a run in provincial championship or qualifiers. I don't get people giving out about the unfairness of the qualifiers-counties who don't make the Super 8 have lost two championship games. They had their chance and didn't make it. Simple as. Good luck to counties like Clare and Laois if they do make a Super 8. They had the luck of the draw and took full advantage of it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on July 01, 2019, 10:34:21 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

This year's FA cup semi final featured Wolves, Watford and Brighton!

There's nothing you can do to stop smaller teams in a cup stoke competition. It's just the luck of the draw, doesn't mean the system is flawed.

The only way to overcome it is to have a league, which would involve a huge amount of dead rubbers.

The FA Cup is a sideshow - not the primary competition.

The Championship is the primary competition in the GAA and it makes no sense to have teams fluking their way to quarter finals as a result of a handy draw. If Laois make the qualifiers, they will have beaten three teams that will be playing Division 3 football next year.   Mayo have two division 1 teams in a row plus a Division 3 team in the qualifiers.  Had Armagh been in the draw instead of Mayo, that would have been three Division 1 teams in a row in the qualifier draw.

Stronger teams are knocking each other out and as a result we have one Division 3 team (next year's league) who will make the Super 8s.  We will definitely have 1 Division 2 team in the Super 8s.  Let's see how they get on against Dublin. 

I'm not for one sided games and if they have to happen, let's have them in the early rounds of the championship and not in the shop window. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 10:37:34 AM
Apparently the Hyde isn’t fit for this and we’ll be sent to Limerick
Tht would probably suit us, bigger pitch
Ridiculous if true.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 01, 2019, 10:38:40 AM
There was some good competitive and interesting super 8 games last year. Monaghan Kerry, Monaghan Galway, Galway Kildare, Tyrone Dublin, Tyrone Donegal were all good important games. In previous years you where lucky if you got 2 decent quarter final games and the other 2 hammerings. As a fan you want to see the top teams playing each other at this time of year.

I would be worried though that due to two poor draws in a row the super 8s wont fulfil their potential this year. Though there will still be 3 or 4 good and very important games. In the first week Roscommon at home to Tyrone/Cavan will be a huge game. That's another advantage of the super 8s giving Roscommon a home game as champions.

The other group will have Kerry at home to Galway/Mayo first up and again that'll be a really important match. That group is much closer to what you want and if Meath get there I'm not sure they'll lie down the way some on here think.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: laoislad on July 01, 2019, 10:39:32 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.
No it isn't. No team has a divine right to be in the Super 8s.
What you are suggesting is doing away with qualifying games altogether and just picking the best 8 teams every year and putting them into 2 groups of 4 to play for the ALL Ireland. That's not how Cup competitions work.
Who ever makes this years Super 8s will be there on merit, some got the luck of the draw and some didn't. Tough.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: recyclebin on July 01, 2019, 10:43:21 AM
Hard to know what level Meath, Claire, Laois and Cork are at. Meath barely beat Offaly, were close against Laois for about 45 mins before evetually winning easily then hammered by Dublin. Cork only really played Kerry.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 01, 2019, 10:44:46 AM
Apparently the Hyde isn’t fit for this and we’ll be sent to Limerick
Tht would probably suit us, bigger pitch

You do realise the Gaelic Grounds has a smaller pitch than the Hyde?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: shark on July 01, 2019, 10:47:59 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

This year's FA cup semi final featured Wolves, Watford and Brighton!

There's nothing you can do to stop smaller teams in a cup stoke competition. It's just the luck of the draw, doesn't mean the system is flawed.

The only way to overcome it is to have a league, which would involve a huge amount of dead rubbers.

The FA Cup is a sideshow - not the primary competition.

The Championship is the primary competition in the GAA and it makes no sense to have teams fluking their way to quarter finals as a result of a handy draw. If Laois make the qualifiers, they will have beaten three teams that will be playing Division 3 football next year.   Mayo have two division 1 teams in a row plus a Division 3 team in the qualifiers.  Had Armagh been in the draw instead of Mayo, that would have been three Division 1 teams in a row in the qualifier draw.

Stronger teams are knocking each other out and as a result we have one Division 3 team (next year's league) who will make the Super 8s.  We will definitely have 1 Division 2 team in the Super 8s.  Let's see how they get on against Dublin. 

I'm not for one sided games and if they have to happen, let's have them in the early rounds of the championship and not in the shop window.

Who? If you're referring to Cork, then you are making a presumption they will beat Laois. Or else you didn't realise Laois are a division 2 team (next year's league!)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 10:49:29 AM
What's with all the sorcery talk about "Cup competitions"???
Yell be having "kick offs" soon!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on July 01, 2019, 10:56:06 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.
I get your point, Clare have to win 4 games to get there whereas Cavan only have to win 3. Bit of a joke that.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2019, 10:57:52 AM
Apparently the Hyde isn’t fit for this and we’ll be sent to Limerick
Tht would probably suit us, bigger pitch

You do realise the Gaelic Grounds has a smaller pitch than the Hyde?

Is it? Certainly doesn’t feel like that
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on July 01, 2019, 11:00:09 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

This year's FA cup semi final featured Wolves, Watford and Brighton!

There's nothing you can do to stop smaller teams in a cup stoke competition. It's just the luck of the draw, doesn't mean the system is flawed.

The only way to overcome it is to have a league, which would involve a huge amount of dead rubbers.

The FA Cup is a sideshow - not the primary competition.

The Championship is the primary competition in the GAA and it makes no sense to have teams fluking their way to quarter finals as a result of a handy draw. If Laois make the qualifiers, they will have beaten three teams that will be playing Division 3 football next year.   Mayo have two division 1 teams in a row plus a Division 3 team in the qualifiers.  Had Armagh been in the draw instead of Mayo, that would have been three Division 1 teams in a row in the qualifier draw.

Stronger teams are knocking each other out and as a result we have one Division 3 team (next year's league) who will make the Super 8s.  We will definitely have 1 Division 2 team in the Super 8s.  Let's see how they get on against Dublin. 

I'm not for one sided games and if they have to happen, let's have them in the early rounds of the championship and not in the shop window.

Who? If you're referring to Cork, then you are making a presumption they will beat Laois. Or else you didn't realise Laois are a division 2 team (next year's league!)

Fair enough, but you get the point. And I wouldn't begrudge any county getting a run in the Championship; if you got to the QF, you wouldn't know what is possible in a one-off game.  Look at Fermanagh in 2004, who then went on to draw with Mayo in their only ever AISF.  Armagh, effectively a Division 3 team in 2014 gave Donegal a great game in an AIQF.  To me, that is fantastic, but serious underdogs winning is the exception and in the last 10 years it has become even less likely (would love to see some stats on this).  But sending teams into the Super 8s to get one hammering after another is a form of cruelty. 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 01, 2019, 11:01:22 AM
Apparently the Hyde isn’t fit for this and we’ll be sent to Limerick
Tht would probably suit us, bigger pitch
Ridiculous if true.
I hear they're struggling to get the pitch ready for the weekend after next :(
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 01, 2019, 11:02:11 AM
The likely super 8 groups after that round 4 draw.

Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Meath

Dublin
Tyrone
Roscommon
Cork

Likely All Ireland semi finals

Donegal v Tyrone
Mayo v Dublin
I recall a lot of chaps and pundits predicting a Galway v Mayowestros Conbacht Final ;D

I do love a good underdog story and Roscommon beating Tyrone in round 1 would be memorable one.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 01, 2019, 11:06:00 AM
If Roscommon wasn't available would Tullamore be another option for Galway Mayo? Are they not allowed to agree to a toin coss?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on July 01, 2019, 11:07:00 AM
Apparently the Hyde isn’t fit for this and we’ll be sent to Limerick
Tht would probably suit us, bigger pitch
Ridiculous if true.
I hear they're struggling to get the pitch ready for the weekend after next :(

Doubt it. Hyde Park has one of the best playing surfaces around nowadays.

Mayo v Galway the tie of the round, Cavan getting the one team they didn't want and Meath getting the one they wanted. A good chance for Laois to reach the last 8 i'm not convinced about that Cork team at all.

 
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: sid waddell on July 01, 2019, 11:08:08 AM
Hard to know what level Meath, Claire, Laois and Cork are at. Meath barely beat Offaly, were close against Laois for about 45 mins before evetually winning easily then hammered by Dublin. Cork only really played Kerry.
See Roscommon last year.

And Roscommon are better than any of the above four.

The first three would be absolute fodder, Cork might have an outside chance of raising some sort of a gallop but they'll have Dublin and Tyrone in Croke Park as their first two matches, and they're much more likely to be fodder as well.





Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2019, 11:09:00 AM
Tullamore is a long spin, pearse Park is more likely?

Apparently if there was a replay of the Connacht final it wouldn’t have been in the Hyde due to remedial works needed, how the happens I don’t know!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: sid waddell on July 01, 2019, 11:12:47 AM
The likely super 8 groups after that round 4 draw.

Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Meath

Dublin
Tyrone
Roscommon
Cork

Likely All Ireland semi finals

Donegal v Tyrone
Mayo v Dublin
I recall a lot of chaps and pundits predicting a Galway v Mayowestros Conbacht Final ;D

I do love a good underdog story and Roscommon beating Tyrone in round 1 would be memorable one.
Even on the outside chance that Roscommon beat Tyrone in Round 1, I still wouldn't fancy them to qualify.

Dublin will pummel Cork and Roscommon and will go to Omagh miles out in front on scoring difference and guaranteed qualification.

Tyrone would probably eke out a narrow win against a weakened Dublin team and beat Roscommon on scoring difference in a three way tie on four points.

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on July 01, 2019, 11:13:51 AM
The Galway / Ros U20 match this coming Wed evening is in Kiltoom so The Hyde is probably a non runner for next weekend?

If its doubled up with another qualifier we are probably looking at Tullamore or Limerick?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: recyclebin on July 01, 2019, 11:17:55 AM
Don't see any double headers because of the teams involved.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: APM on July 01, 2019, 11:20:40 AM
The likely super 8 groups after that round 4 draw.

Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Meath

Dublin
Tyrone
Roscommon
Cork

Likely All Ireland semi finals

Donegal v Tyrone
Mayo v Dublin
I recall a lot of chaps and pundits predicting a Galway v Mayowestros Conbacht Final ;D

I do love a good underdog story and Roscommon beating Tyrone in round 1 would be memorable one.
Even on the outside chance that Roscommon beat Tyrone in Round 1, I still wouldn't fancy them to qualify.

Dublin will pummel Cork and Roscommon and will go to Omagh miles out in front on scoring difference and guaranteed qualification.

Tyrone would probably eke out a narrow win against a weakened Dublin team and beat Roscommon on scoring difference in a three way tie on four points.

Why would Dublin send a weakened team to Omagh, when they could knock out one of their closest rivals for Sam.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: RossieBull on July 01, 2019, 11:33:23 AM
Don't see any double headers because of the teams involved.

Alot of Ros underage games are played in Kiltoom.

This thing about the Hyde being unavailable stems from last year's Connacht Final. It was agreed with Connacht Council/Prenty that another final wouldn't take place there until certain works were completed (Prenty being an ass)
But the Mayo/Galway qualifier game is fixed by Central Council so these apparent remedial works shouldn't be a factor.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: WT4E on July 01, 2019, 11:36:09 AM
I'd say double header in Croker for tyrone and mayo-Galway.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: meathie on July 01, 2019, 11:38:06 AM
I'd say double header in Croker for tyrone and mayo-Galway.
Croke Park not available, Westlife is on this weekend...
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on July 01, 2019, 11:38:46 AM
Don't see any double headers because of the teams involved.

Alot of Ros underage games are played in Kiltoom.

This thing about the Hyde being unavailable stems from last year's Connacht Final. It was agreed with Connacht Council/Prenty that another final wouldn't take place there until certain works were completed (Prenty being an ass)
But the Mayo/Galway qualifier game is fixed by Central Council so these apparent remedial works shouldn't be a factor.
Any of these works completed since?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 11:39:16 AM
I'd say double header in Croker for tyrone and mayo-Galway.
Croke Park not available, Westlife is on this weekend...

There will be alot of men with a private dilemma next weekend!
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: rosnarun on July 01, 2019, 11:42:58 AM
I'd say double header in Croker for tyrone and mayo-Galway.
Croke Park not available, Westlife is on this weekend...
Iknow money needs to be made but how stipid is renting out your grounf when you need it most  seeing as it Idle for most of the year even early summer now the Dublin has lost interest
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: sid waddell on July 01, 2019, 11:46:59 AM
The likely super 8 groups after that round 4 draw.

Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Meath

Dublin
Tyrone
Roscommon
Cork

Likely All Ireland semi finals

Donegal v Tyrone
Mayo v Dublin
I recall a lot of chaps and pundits predicting a Galway v Mayowestros Conbacht Final ;D

I do love a good underdog story and Roscommon beating Tyrone in round 1 would be memorable one.
Even on the outside chance that Roscommon beat Tyrone in Round 1, I still wouldn't fancy them to qualify.

Dublin will pummel Cork and Roscommon and will go to Omagh miles out in front on scoring difference and guaranteed qualification.

Tyrone would probably eke out a narrow win against a weakened Dublin team and beat Roscommon on scoring difference in a three way tie on four points.

Why would Dublin send a weakened team to Omagh, when they could knock out one of their closest rivals for Sam.
Why would they break their bollix when they have to play Kerry, Donegal or Mayo six days later?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Fuzzman on July 01, 2019, 11:50:18 AM
What's wrong with Hyde now?
Was the bus parked there too long?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: RossieBull on July 01, 2019, 11:50:51 AM
Don't see any double headers because of the teams involved.

Alot of Ros underage games are played in Kiltoom.

This thing about the Hyde being unavailable stems from last year's Connacht Final. It was agreed with Connacht Council/Prenty that another final wouldn't take place there until certain works were completed (Prenty being an ass)
But the Mayo/Galway qualifier game is fixed by Central Council so these apparent remedial works shouldn't be a factor.
Any of these works completed since?

It's irrelevant if they are or not. They are not hindering the holding of this match.... upgrade of surface leading into stadium, upgrade of toilets etc.
They are conditions set by Connacht Council, Prenty just wants to avoid us getting all Connacht Finals.

The actual stadium itself is sound and the playing surface is one of the best around.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on July 01, 2019, 11:51:38 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.
No it isn't. No team has a divine right to be in the Super 8s.
What you are suggesting is doing away with qualifying games altogether and just picking the best 8 teams every year and putting them into 2 groups of 4 to play for the ALL Ireland. That's not how Cup competitions work.
Who ever makes this years Super 8s will be there on merit, some got the luck of the draw and some didn't. Tough.

No they will be there on luck not on merit. It's ironic that the offshoot of the crapness of Leinster is that some poor teams get well advanced in the qualifiers.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Owenmoresider on July 01, 2019, 11:52:38 AM
I'd say double header in Croker for tyrone and mayo-Galway.
Croke Park not available, Westlife is on this weekend...
Iknow money needs to be made but how stipid is renting out your grounf when you need it most  seeing as it Idle for most of the year even early summer now the Dublin has lost interest
Typical of McKenna though, all about making money and who cares if the body owning the stadium might actually need its use at that time.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: RedHand88 on July 01, 2019, 11:53:56 AM
Id prefer a packed provincial ground over a two thirds empty Croke Park anyday.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Itchy on July 01, 2019, 11:56:09 AM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.
I get your point, Clare have to win 4 games to get there whereas Cavan only have to win 3. Bit of a joke that.

In fairness you'd need some luck to get Antrim into the super 8s, I doubt ye would beat New York 3 games in a row
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 01, 2019, 11:59:49 AM
Don't see any double headers because of the teams involved.

Alot of Ros underage games are played in Kiltoom.

This thing about the Hyde being unavailable stems from last year's Connacht Final. It was agreed with Connacht Council/Prenty that another final wouldn't take place there until certain works were completed (Prenty being an ass)
But the Mayo/Galway qualifier game is fixed by Central Council so these apparent remedial works shouldn't be a factor.
Any of these works completed since?

It's irrelevant if they are or not. They are not hindering the holding of this match.... upgrade of surface leading into stadium, upgrade of toilets etc.
They are conditions set by Connacht Council, Prenty just wants to avoid us getting all Connacht Finals.

The actual stadium itself is sound and the playing surface is one of the best around.
So the rumour that there is problems with the pitch is false ? and that Ros wont let it be used next weekend so that it will be ok for the supers 8s is false ?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Rossfan on July 01, 2019, 12:02:29 PM
What's wrong with Hyde now?
Was the bus parked there too long?
Ah when you win your Provincial you have to do a lot of hanging around waiting for the failures to sort themselves out.
If th'oul Tier 2 gets past Hardstation and Benny the process will be speeded up next year.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: hardstation on July 01, 2019, 12:03:35 PM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.
I get your point, Clare have to win 4 games to get there whereas Cavan only have to win 3. Bit of a joke that.

In fairness you'd need some luck to get Antrim into the super 8s, I doubt ye would beat New York 3 games in a row
Well you’ve gone and got yourself some sense of entitlement.
You don’t deserve to be in the Super 8s any more than any other county playing next week.

Tyrone will do you a favour fwiw.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2019, 12:07:07 PM
Don't see any double headers because of the teams involved.

Alot of Ros underage games are played in Kiltoom.

This thing about the Hyde being unavailable stems from last year's Connacht Final. It was agreed with Connacht Council/Prenty that another final wouldn't take place there until certain works were completed (Prenty being an ass)
But the Mayo/Galway qualifier game is fixed by Central Council so these apparent remedial works shouldn't be a factor.
Any of these works completed since?

It's irrelevant if they are or not. They are not hindering the holding of this match.... upgrade of surface leading into stadium, upgrade of toilets etc.
They are conditions set by Connacht Council, Prenty just wants to avoid us getting all Connacht Finals.

The actual stadium itself is sound and the playing surface is one of the best around.
Well back Syferus
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on July 01, 2019, 12:07:41 PM
It’s an awful lot of football to play just to eliminate 4 teams. (Or it’s actually a great way to squeeze more money out of us idiots who go to these games).

It’s the bit in brackets.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on July 01, 2019, 12:11:24 PM
The likely super 8 groups after that round 4 draw.

Donegal
Kerry
Mayo
Meath

Dublin
Tyrone
Roscommon
Cork

Likely All Ireland semi finals

Donegal v Tyrone
Mayo v Dublin
I recall a lot of chaps and pundits predicting a Galway v Mayowestros Conbacht Final ;D

I do love a good underdog story and Roscommon beating Tyrone in round 1 would be memorable one.
Even on the outside chance that Roscommon beat Tyrone in Round 1, I still wouldn't fancy them to qualify.

Dublin will pummel Cork and Roscommon and will go to Omagh miles out in front on scoring difference and guaranteed qualification.

Tyrone would probably eke out a narrow win against a weakened Dublin team and beat Roscommon on scoring difference in a three way tie on four points.

I doubt Dublin will want to finish 2nd in the group and what is a weakened Dublin team?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on July 01, 2019, 12:13:15 PM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

Says who? the championship is still somewhat of a cup competition (luck of the draw and all that) and the window of opportunity for a underdog story should not be closed shut.  My own view however is that groups for the last 8 is daft.

The underdog story is well and truly gone by the super 8’s. A Cavan, Clare, Laois etc just won’t be able to cope with 3 games against big teams in 3 weeks. And it gets rid of what the c’ship is all about, even more so than the qualifiers have done.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: laoislad on July 01, 2019, 12:18:38 PM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

Says who? the championship is still somewhat of a cup competition (luck of the draw and all that) and the window of opportunity for a underdog story should not be closed shut.  My own view however is that groups for the last 8 is daft.

The underdog story is well and truly gone by the super 8’s. A Cavan, Clare, Laois etc just won’t be able to cope with 3 games against big teams in 3 weeks. And it gets rid of what the c’ship is all about, even more so than the qualifiers have done.
But they have as much right to be there as anyone else, and it is actually what the Championship IS all about imo.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on July 01, 2019, 12:21:12 PM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

This year's FA cup semi final featured Wolves, Watford and Brighton!

There's nothing you can do to stop smaller teams in a cup stoke competition. It's just the luck of the draw, doesn't mean the system is flawed.

The only way to overcome it is to have a league, which would involve a huge amount of dead rubbers.

The FA Cup is a sideshow - not the primary competition.

The Championship is the primary competition in the GAA and it makes no sense to have teams fluking their way to quarter finals as a result of a handy draw. If Laois make the qualifiers, they will have beaten three teams that will be playing Division 3 football next year.   Mayo have two division 1 teams in a row plus a Division 3 team in the qualifiers.  Had Armagh been in the draw instead of Mayo, that would have been three Division 1 teams in a row in the qualifier draw.

Stronger teams are knocking each other out and as a result we have one Division 3 team (next year's league) who will make the Super 8s.  We will definitely have 1 Division 2 team in the Super 8s.  Let's see how they get on against Dublin. 

I'm not for one sided games and if they have to happen, let's have them in the early rounds of the championship and not in the shop window.

Who? If you're referring to Cork, then you are making a presumption they will beat Laois. Or else you didn't realise Laois are a division 2 team (next year's league!)

Fair enough, but you get the point. And I wouldn't begrudge any county getting a run in the Championship; if you got to the QF, you wouldn't know what is possible in a one-off game.  Look at Fermanagh in 2004, who then went on to draw with Mayo in their only ever AISF.  Armagh, effectively a Division 3 team in 2014 gave Donegal a great game in an AIQF.  To me, that is fantastic, but serious underdogs winning is the exception and in the last 10 years it has become even less likely (would love to see some stats on this).  But sending teams into the Super 8s to get one hammering after another is a form of cruelty.

Yes, one hammering is bad. Three would be so deflating for the progress of any team.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: fearsiuil on July 01, 2019, 12:22:46 PM
Don't see any double headers because of the teams involved.

Alot of Ros underage games are played in Kiltoom.

This thing about the Hyde being unavailable stems from last year's Connacht Final. It was agreed with Connacht Council/Prenty that another final wouldn't take place there until certain works were completed (Prenty being an ass)
But the Mayo/Galway qualifier game is fixed by Central Council so these apparent remedial works shouldn't be a factor.
Any of these works completed since?

It's irrelevant if they are or not. They are not hindering the holding of this match.... upgrade of surface leading into stadium, upgrade of toilets etc.
They are conditions set by Connacht Council, Prenty just wants to avoid us getting all Connacht Finals.

The actual stadium itself is sound and the playing surface is one of the best around.
Told what needs doing and if done or not is irrelevant? Bizzare logic.

Heard Hyde needed more turnstiles etc as a healrh and safety requirement. Always someone elses fault.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on July 01, 2019, 12:40:32 PM
What's wrong with Hyde now?
Was the bus parked there too long?
Ah when you win your Provincial you have to do a lot of hanging around waiting for the failures to sort themselves out.
If th'oul Tier 2 gets past Hardstation and Benny the process will be speeded up next year.

@hardstation - do you want the ‘Down with this sort of thing’ placard, or the ‘Careful Now’ one?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 01, 2019, 12:43:41 PM
What's wrong with Hyde now?
Was the bus parked there too long?
Ah when you win your Provincial you have to do a lot of hanging around waiting for the failures to sort themselves out.
If th'oul Tier 2 gets past Hardstation and Benny the process will be speeded up next year.

@hardstation - do you want the ‘Down with this sort of thing’ placard, or the ‘Careful Now’ one?

I'll be behind you both.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on July 01, 2019, 12:44:06 PM
The idea of the super 8s is to get the best 8 teams in there. The reality is, due to the lob sided nature of the provinces and randomness of the draws you have a scenario now where some very average teams like Meath and Clare coukd be in the Super 8s. It will have to be looked at again.

Example Cavan will have to beat Monaghan, Armagh and Tyrone to get to it. Clare for example beat Waterford (by a point), Leitrim, Westmeath and Meath.

Says who? the championship is still somewhat of a cup competition (luck of the draw and all that) and the window of opportunity for a underdog story should not be closed shut.  My own view however is that groups for the last 8 is daft.

The underdog story is well and truly gone by the super 8’s. A Cavan, Clare, Laois etc just won’t be able to cope with 3 games against big teams in 3 weeks. And it gets rid of what the c’ship is all about, even more so than the qualifiers have done.
But they have as much right to be there as anyone else, and it is actually what the Championship IS all about imo.

Calm down there LL. I didn’t say they’ve no right to be there. It’s just when they get there, they are very much up against it.

They may pull off one knock out victory and take out a big gun, but they’ll really struggle over 3 games. Plus it gives the big guns a second and third chance.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: irish345 on July 01, 2019, 12:47:40 PM
they trying to copy the champions league the first few years of european cup as champions league had went from straigh knockout to two groups of 4 in the last 8


i think a 16 team tier one with two group stages could work  4 groups of 4 then the 8 qualifiers  go into two groups of 4
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: seafoid on July 01, 2019, 01:03:10 PM
Exciting for who? Kildare and Roscommon were hammered. Go back to straight knockout for quarter finals and scrap the super 8s. We don't have 8 super teams.
very good point
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Over the Bar on July 01, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Exciting for who? Kildare and Roscommon were hammered. Go back to straight knockout for quarter finals and scrap the super 8s. We don't have 8 super teams.
very good point

The super 8s was created primarily for 2 reasons:

1. To ensure Dublin could not be caught cold in a one-off game coming out of Leinster and meeting a good team in the quarter finals
2. To give more TV coverage for sponsors which disproportionally benefits Dublin again.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyCake on July 01, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
Exciting for who? Kildare and Roscommon were hammered. Go back to straight knockout for quarter finals and scrap the super 8s. We don't have 8 super teams.
very good point

The super 8s was created primarily for 2 reasons:

1. To ensure Dublin could not be caught cold in a one-off game coming out of Leinster and meeting a good team in the quarter finals
2. To give more TV coverage for sponsors which disproportionally benefits Dublin again.

I disagree. It’s like this:

1. More money

There is no 2.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: shark on July 01, 2019, 01:40:05 PM
Exciting for who? Kildare and Roscommon were hammered. Go back to straight knockout for quarter finals and scrap the super 8s. We don't have 8 super teams.
very good point

The super 8s was created primarily for 2 reasons:

1. To ensure Dublin could not be caught cold in a one-off game coming out of Leinster and meeting a good team in the quarter finals
2. To give more TV coverage for sponsors which disproportionally benefits Dublin again.

I disagree. It’s like this:

1. More money

There is no 2.

Bingo
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: meathie on July 01, 2019, 03:25:02 PM
So confirmed now.
Meath v Clare Portlaoise Sunday 2pm (live RTE)
Tyrone v Cavan Clones saturday 5pm (live sky)
Mayo v Galway Limerick 7pm saturday (live sky)
Cork v Laois Thurles saturday 5pm
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Hound on July 01, 2019, 11:09:01 PM
Exciting for who? Kildare and Roscommon were hammered. Go back to straight knockout for quarter finals and scrap the super 8s. We don't have 8 super teams.
very good point

The super 8s was created primarily for 2 reasons:

1. To ensure Dublin could not be caught cold in a one-off game coming out of Leinster and meeting a good team in the quarter finals
2. To give more TV coverage for sponsors which disproportionally benefits Dublin again.
You’re a complete and utter moron.
The board’s cancer.

Lucky for you the mods are morons too.
I know from a message from one of the Tyrone posters that your a known liar and thief.
Lucky for me the ignore function is available, so at least I never have to read another word from you.
Lowlife.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 02, 2019, 02:34:31 AM
Exciting for who? Kildare and Roscommon were hammered. Go back to straight knockout for quarter finals and scrap the super 8s. We don't have 8 super teams.
very good point

The super 8s was created primarily for 2 reasons:

1. To ensure Dublin could not be caught cold in a one-off game coming out of Leinster and meeting a good team in the quarter finals
2. To give more TV coverage for sponsors which disproportionally benefits Dublin again.
You’re a complete and utter moron.
The board’s cancer.

Lucky for you the mods are morons too.
I know from a message from one of the Tyrone posters that your a known liar and thief.
Lucky for me the ignore function is available, so at least I never have to read another word from you.
Lowlife.

That's a bit of an over reaction, Hound, maybe due to previous issues with the same poster. If the general point was made like this, would there be such a backlash

The super 8s was created primarily for 2 reasons:

1. To ensure the top 3-4 teams could not be caught cold in a one-off game coming out of their province and meeting a good team in the quarter finals
2. To give more TV coverage for sponsors.

You're well able to rebut the points without the words cancer, moron, thief, lowlife
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: omaghjoe on July 02, 2019, 06:19:55 AM
Exciting for who? Kildare and Roscommon were hammered. Go back to straight knockout for quarter finals and scrap the super 8s. We don't have 8 super teams.
very good point

The super 8s was created primarily for 2 reasons:

1. To ensure Dublin could not be caught cold in a one-off game coming out of Leinster and meeting a good team in the quarter finals
2. To give more TV coverage for sponsors which disproportionally benefits Dublin again.
You’re a complete and utter moron.
The board’s cancer.

Lucky for you the mods are morons too.
I know from a message from one of the Tyrone posters that your a known liar and thief.
Lucky for me the ignore function is available, so at least I never have to read another word from you.
Lowlife.
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Corkscrew on July 03, 2019, 01:36:09 PM
I have a sneaky feeling Laois might beat cork.

Also I think Clare will give Meath their fill of it.

That’s a very sneaky feeling.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Halfquarter on July 06, 2019, 08:01:41 PM
No team will be afraid of being in Kerrys group after the Cork display AND now that  PK&TG are taking the training sessions. (MF&DB in the stands looking on ... great  view)

I think Cork are being underestimated, they have turned a corner, they could cause plenty trouble for someone yet.

Turned a corner because they had one decent performance? Cork are always capable of those 1 of those game v Mayo 2 years ago was a prime example. Next weekend will tell where Cork really stand and prove if they have improved or not. Last 4 years they have been knocked out at the round 4 stage and lets not forget they were relegated to Div 3 this spring.

Well,they look like they have improved.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tippabu on July 06, 2019, 10:24:28 PM
No team will be afraid of being in Kerrys group after the Cork display AND now that  PK&TG are taking the training sessions. (MF&DB in the stands looking on ... great  view)

I think Cork are being underestimated, they have turned a corner, they could cause plenty trouble for someone yet.

Turned a corner because they had one decent performance? Cork are always capable of those 1 of those game v Mayo 2 years ago was a prime example. Next weekend will tell where Cork really stand and prove if they have improved or not. Last 4 years they have been knocked out at the round 4 stage and lets not forget they were relegated to Div 3 this spring.

Well,they look like they have improved.

Yes it does appear this way. Super 8s will be a huge step up though. To date they have beaten limerick and laois to reach a super 8s. Very good performance against Kerry, I'm not taking away but they have gotten a decent draw to this point. Fair dues to them though, have heard very positive things since the end of the league and they have a feel good factor that's been missing for far too long
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 12:31:07 AM
No team will be afraid of being in Kerrys group after the Cork display AND now that  PK&TG are taking the training sessions. (MF&DB in the stands looking on ... great  view)

I think Cork are being underestimated, they have turned a corner, they could cause plenty trouble for someone yet.

Turned a corner because they had one decent performance? Cork are always capable of those 1 of those game v Mayo 2 years ago was a prime example. Next weekend will tell where Cork really stand and prove if they have improved or not. Last 4 years they have been knocked out at the round 4 stage and lets not forget they were relegated to Div 3 this spring.

Well,they look like they have improved.

Have improved after all its the first time they have reached the last 8 since 2014? In the next few weeks we'll all see how much trouble they can cause Dublin and Tyrone in Croke Park.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: BennyHarp on July 07, 2019, 02:07:53 PM
If Meath win there’s a nice symmetry to the Super 8. 2 Ulster, 2 Leinster, 2 Connacht and 2 Munster with one in each group.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: tippabu on July 07, 2019, 02:16:28 PM
If Meath win there’s a nice symmetry to the Super 8. 2 Ulster, 2 Leinster, 2 Connacht and 2 Munster with one in each group.

If the lose obviously Munster is the strongest footballing province;) (That's a joke before everyone gets the pitchforks out!!)
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 07, 2019, 02:18:04 PM
Good start for Clare and on top in midfield.  Meath with 0-4 scored already thats what they scored in 70 mins v Dublin.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 07, 2019, 02:21:13 PM
Has Marty from the banner county been able to stay neutral so far during his commentary?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: sid waddell on July 07, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Very enjoyable game here, a ding donger

Even with weaker counties like these two, the standard of Gaelic football is higher than ever before

The winner will get smashed in the Super 8 but so what, winning this sort of game can be an end in itself

Clare have played the better football

I think they'll go on and win it

Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 02:53:30 PM
Clare 0-12 Meath 1-9 at half time. A good enjoyable game between two well matches side with some fine scores, yet at half time Joanne complaining about the quality of game. It is not possible for RTE to say anything positive about football nowadays?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on July 07, 2019, 03:11:11 PM
First wide for Meath today on 45 minutes can someone remind me how many wides they had in the Leinster final?
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: sid waddell on July 07, 2019, 03:48:32 PM
Very exciting game, but both teams were out on their feet by 45 minutes.

That's the difference between the top teams and the also-rans.

Meath can count themselves very lucky to have held on there, no idea at all how to kill a game.

Fook knows what the Clare lad was at going for the point at the end.

Butchery awaits Meath in all three of their Super 8 matches.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on July 07, 2019, 03:50:48 PM
FT Meath 2-16 Clare 1-18. A good high scoring contest between two well matched teams. Congrats to Meath for reaching the last 8 which adds to the league promotion to Div 1, regardless of what happens in the next 3 games for them this has to go down as a year of progress for Meath.

Hard luck to Clare they died with their boots on in that game and another good year for them under good managment.

Last eight now has 2 from each province.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: armaghniac on July 07, 2019, 04:00:56 PM
Butchery awaits Meath in all three of their Super 8 matches.

Perhaps, but Meath's "recovery" from the Leinster final defeat suggests that they can learn from this rather than just giving up.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 07, 2019, 04:34:51 PM
Butchery awaits Meath in all three of their Super 8 matches.

Perhaps, but Meath's "recovery" from the Leinster final defeat suggests that they can learn from this rather than just giving up.

I wouldn't put money on Meath winning a match in the next 10 months.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: armaghniac on July 07, 2019, 05:56:00 PM
Butchery awaits Meath in all three of their Super 8 matches.

Perhaps, but Meath's "recovery" from the Leinster final defeat suggests that they can learn from this rather than just giving up.

I wouldn't put money on Meath winning a match in the next 10 months.

I expect a strong performance in the O'Byrne cup followed by beating Monaghan in the league.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: thejuice on July 07, 2019, 06:31:49 PM
Haven’t watched the game yet but to be honest I feel like we’re in bonus territory now. We’ve achieved all we set out to do this year which is a great achievement considering the talent we have available which isn’t the greatest but not bad either. If we are to maintain this level and division 1 status we’ll need an injection of top drawer talent from the underage teams which there is some coming but might not be here soon enough.

We might draw some blood in the last 8 group stage but I don’t particularly worry about it.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2019, 06:49:31 PM
Butchery awaits Meath in all three of their Super 8 matches.

Perhaps, but Meath's "recovery" from the Leinster final defeat suggests that they can learn from this rather than just giving up.

I wouldn't put money on Meath winning a match in the next 10 months.

They might beat Mayo in 2 weeks time. We have a terrible championship record against thrm.
Title: Re: Football qualifier route 2019
Post by: sid waddell on July 07, 2019, 07:35:24 PM
Butchery awaits Meath in all three of their Super 8 matches.

Perhaps, but Meath's "recovery" from the Leinster final defeat suggests that they can learn from this rather than just giving up.

I wouldn't put money on Meath winning a match in the next 10 months.

They might beat Mayo in 2 weeks time. We have a terrible championship record against thrm.
Mayo will beat Meath, but what I would be concerned about if I was from Mayo would be by how much they beat them by, I suspect Donegal and Kerry will do serious jobs on Meath while I wouldn't be so sure about Mayo.

In a group where a three way tie on 4 points is a live possibility, that could make all the difference.