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Title: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
Has there ever been a more low key build up to the greatest Derby in the game?

Mickey Graham has said all year it is all about championship. Gearoid McKiernan is back fit and going well. However Cavan dont have high scoring forwards if the league is anything to go by.

Monaghan missing a few but they have McManus and some able support from elsewhere and that has been the difference in previous meetings.

Freetakers would be in Monaghans favour too with Cavans efforts in the league on that front really poor.

Bookies have it 2/1 Cavan and 1/2 Monaghan

It will be close but it is surely time for normal service to resume and the Ulster Kingpins to reassert themselves as top dogs.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: seafoid on May 14, 2019, 11:00:56 AM
Should be an indicator of Cavan progress under the new management regime
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Blowitupref on May 14, 2019, 02:02:20 PM
Has there ever been a more low key build up to the greatest Derby in the game?

Mickey Graham has said all year it is all about championship. Gearoid McKiernan is back fit and going well. However Cavan dont have high scoring forwards if the league is anything to go by.

Monaghan missing a few but they have McManus and some able support from elsewhere and that has been the difference in previous meetings.

Freetakers would be in Monaghans favour too with Cavans efforts in the league on that front really poor.

Bookies have it 2/1 Cavan and 1/2 Monaghan

It will be close but it is surely time for normal service to resume and the Ulster Kingpins to reassert themselves as top dogs.

Could make the difference and will likely be Cavan's top scorer on the day. Recent games have been close and will be a surprise if this game isn't. Does this game get live or deferred coverage on BBC?
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2019, 03:20:18 PM
Has there ever been a more low key build up to the greatest Derby in the game?

Mickey Graham has said all year it is all about championship. Gearoid McKiernan is back fit and going well. However Cavan dont have high scoring forwards if the league is anything to go by.

Monaghan missing a few but they have McManus and some able support from elsewhere and that has been the difference in previous meetings.

Freetakers would be in Monaghans favour too with Cavans efforts in the league on that front really poor.

Bookies have it 2/1 Cavan and 1/2 Monaghan

It will be close but it is surely time for normal service to resume and the Ulster Kingpins to reassert themselves as top dogs.

Could make the difference and will likely be Cavan's top scorer on the day. Recent games have been close and will be a surprise if this game isn't. Does this game get live or deferred coverage on BBC?

Not sure about BBC but it is live on SKY
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Jayop on May 14, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
Cavan are teh weirdest team in Ulster no doubt about it. Have miles more history than anyone else but it all fell off a cliff for them a long time ago. It's strange because when I'm in Cavan (a lot) they're pure football mad, and the county is important to them not like what we hear about Derry where it's club above all else. They've plenty of players that are good enough too. I think probably the yoyo from D1 and D2 is about right for where they should be, but you'd love to see them really lay down a marker and get a win over one of the big sides. It's only a few years since they got a draw with Tyrone in a semi final, maybe ad they won that day they'd have drove on. Hopefully they do a job on Monaghan this year.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Rossfan on May 14, 2019, 03:40:10 PM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: seafoid on May 14, 2019, 03:56:01 PM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
The creation of Northern Ireland made Cavan. It was a  shock to GAA people in the 6 counties and took them 50 years to get over it .
Cavan won 5 all Irelands because it was so easy to get out of Ulster. They could build teams easily because there was no predator. They developed some fabulous talent.
 Down won an all Ireland and that was effectively the end of Cavan's great run
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2019, 04:19:12 PM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
The creation of Northern Ireland made Cavan. It was a  shock to GAA people in the 6 counties and took them 50 years to get over it .
Cavan won 5 all Irelands because it was so easy to get out of Ulster. They could build teams easily because there was no predator. They developed some fabulous talent.
 Down won an all Ireland and that was effectively the end of Cavan's great run

When down won 3 sams in the 60s they shared all the Ulsters of that decade with cavan. Indeed cavan gave them a beating or two back then but never won Sam. So your point doesn't fully stack up. Mind you I could also argue that Galway would've won feck all too if they weren't in a province with only 2 teams and occasionally 3  nor Kerry where they only had to beat 1 team.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: seafoid on May 14, 2019, 04:37:25 PM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
The creation of Northern Ireland made Cavan. It was a  shock to GAA people in the 6 counties and took them 50 years to get over it .
Cavan won 5 all Irelands because it was so easy to get out of Ulster. They could build teams easily because there was no predator. They developed some fabulous talent.
 Down won an all Ireland and that was effectively the end of Cavan's great run

When down won 3 sams in the 60s they shared all the Ulsters of that decade with cavan. Indeed cavan gave them a beating or two back then but never won Sam. So your point doesn't fully stack up. Mind you I could also argue that Galway would've won feck all too if they weren't in a province with only 2 teams and occasionally 3  nor Kerry where they only had to beat 1 team.

Cavan didn't win any all Irelands afterwards.
They didn't win Ulster in the 70s or 80s at all at all
So the momentum broke down

But depopulation was also a factor in fairness 
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Aristo 60 on May 14, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
Seafoid you favour Down and hold great knowledge of our illustrious periods. Have you Down in your blood?

We must be your second team even if no blood.


Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: trailer on May 14, 2019, 04:44:13 PM
Seanie Johnston?

Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2019, 05:19:58 PM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
The creation of Northern Ireland made Cavan. It was a  shock to GAA people in the 6 counties and took them 50 years to get over it .
Cavan won 5 all Irelands because it was so easy to get out of Ulster. They could build teams easily because there was no predator. They developed some fabulous talent.
 Down won an all Ireland and that was effectively the end of Cavan's great run

When down won 3 sams in the 60s they shared all the Ulsters of that decade with cavan. Indeed cavan gave them a beating or two back then but never won Sam. So your point doesn't fully stack up. Mind you I could also argue that Galway would've won feck all too if they weren't in a province with only 2 teams and occasionally 3  nor Kerry where they only had to beat 1 team.

Cavan didn't win any all Irelands afterwards.
They didn't win Ulster in the 70s or 80s at all at all
So the momentum broke down

But depopulation was also a factor in fairness

I am aware of the history of cavan gaa lad.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 14, 2019, 05:20:54 PM
Seanie Johnston?

He kicked 4-11 for club last weekend and will be starting against Monaghan.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: larryin89 on May 14, 2019, 05:41:51 PM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.

There were Less people living in Cavan when they last won an all Ireland than there is today according to whatever I looked up there
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Boycey on May 14, 2019, 09:57:34 PM
We'll be lucky to have 15 for Saturday evening they are falling like flies in Monaghan.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: BennyCake on May 14, 2019, 11:45:26 PM
I have a feeling Cavan could take this.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 15, 2019, 09:55:46 AM
Stolen from Hoganstand. Since they steal most of their articles from elsewhere I feel good about posting it here...

Cavan and Monaghan have been fierce championship rivals since contesting a contentious first Ulster SFC final in County Meath in 1888.

That maiden decider, some 131 years ago, was staged during a downpour in Bryanstown, just outside Drogheda in south Meath, as there were no provincial councils at the time. Central Council initially fixed it for Dundalk, but it was moved following a successful appeal by the Cavan County Committee.

Their issue was that playing the game at Dundalk Young Irelands’ pitch offered an unfair advantage to Monaghan, who were represented by Inniskeen Henry Grattans, based only eight miles away from the County Louth venue. Cavan, meanwhile, represented by Maghera Mac Finns, would have had to travel 40 miles (no minor undertaking at the time) so they sought to have the decider moved to a venue with better rail links.

The initial game, which was part of a novel provincial final double-bill, preceded as it was by Louth's [Dundalk Young Irelands] comfortable win over Meath [Dowdstown] in the Leinster final, on August 19th, finished in a 0-2 apiece draw. At the time, teams could field anything from 14 to 21 players but, as they only received late notice of the change of venue, Monaghan turned up with only 15 men, so Cavan had to leave six of their men out. Cavan wished to play extra time but Monaghan refused.

The replay took place at the same venue on September 9th and this time Monaghan prevailed – but only after Cavan had been initially awarded the game! Inniskeen – who missed their train from Dundalk to Drogheda and had to hire brakes (long carts with seats) were late to arrive at the home of Drogheda Gaelics and MacFinns were awarded the spoils.

There was no Twitter or WhatsApp back then so a carrier pigeon was dispatched to Cavan telling the locals that they had won, but the game was played after the Grattans belatedly showed up and Monaghan came out on top.

There were rumours and counter-rumours of shenanigans. It was the beginning of a long, intense rivalry that will be renewed when the Breffni County and their Farney counterparts go head to head again on Saturday night.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: five points on May 15, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.

There were Less people living in Cavan when they last won an all Ireland than there is today according to whatever I looked up there

Fewer commuting Dubs in 1952 though.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: larryin89 on May 15, 2019, 11:02:27 AM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.

There were Less people living in Cavan when they last won an all Ireland than there is today according to whatever I looked up there

Fewer commuting Dubs in 1952 though.

True enough
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 15, 2019, 12:12:16 PM
This is Cavan's best chance to finally beat Monaghan at championship level in modern times.
If I were a cavan man, I'd stake the ford cortina (bald tyres and all) on the outcome.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Schkite on May 15, 2019, 03:37:56 PM
Even allowing for the absences we'd still be fielding a better side than Cavan imo - but they're due a win against us, are at home, and we must be down to our 4th/5th choice midfielders, at best. Cavan will certainly be the stronger side in that area, and if they dominate there then you never know.

We have the firepower to punish Cavan up top and McManus loves playing them, but if they're starved of supply then it's no use. It'd be a good time for one or both of McCarthy/McCarron to have a big game in Ulster, and while I wouldn't expect him to start, O'Hanlon could have a lively cameo from the bench. With the normal midfield missing, we'll need to put in a mountain of work around the middle, so the likes of O'Connell, Kelly, Malone etc. will be key.

No matter what stages the teams are at, these derby games are always tight to the wire so I'd be expecting the same here.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: mrdeeds on May 17, 2019, 01:54:39 PM
Team v Monaghan
1. Raymond Galligan (Lacken)
2. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
3. Padraig Faulkner (Kingscourt)
4. Conor Moynagh (Drumgoon)
5. Gerard Smith (Lavey)
6. Killian Clarke (Shercock)
7. Conor Rehill (Crosserlough)
8. Conor Brady (Gowna)
9. Gearoid McKiernan (Swanlinbar)
10. Martin Reilly (Killygarry)
11. Dara McVeety (Crosserlough)
12. Niall Murray (Cavan Gaels)
13. Oisin Kiernan (Castlerahan)
14. Thomas Galligan (Lacken)
15. Conor Madden (Gowna)

Great to see Oisin back after his cancer battle.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Westside on May 17, 2019, 04:33:16 PM
This is Cavan's best chance to finally beat Monaghan at championship level in modern times.
If I were a cavan man, I'd stake the ford cortina (bald tyres and all) on the outcome.

To be fair, Cavan's best chance was 2015 when they bested Monaghan for most of the game and found themselves 5 points up with 10 minutes to go...

Cavan have shown very little to suggest that we can win this game. Trying to beat a Division 1 side in the Ulster Championship without a good freetaker, or even a settled freetaker at this point, is extremely difficult.
If rumours about Gearoid playing full forward and McVeety playing around the middle are true then the Cavan management are tying themselves in knots trying to be cute.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Jayop on May 17, 2019, 05:53:24 PM
Team v Monaghan
1. Raymond Galligan (Lacken)
2. Jason McLoughlin (Shannon Gaels)
3. Padraig Faulkner (Kingscourt)
4. Conor Moynagh (Drumgoon)
5. Gerard Smith (Lavey)
6. Killian Clarke (Shercock)
7. Conor Rehill (Crosserlough)
8. Conor Brady (Gowna)
9. Gearoid McKiernan (Swanlinbar)
10. Martin Reilly (Killygarry)
11. Dara McVeety (Crosserlough)
12. Niall Murray (Cavan Gaels)
13. Oisin Kiernan (Castlerahan)
14. Thomas Galligan (Lacken)
15. Conor Madden (Gowna)

Great to see Oisin back after his cancer battle.

Brilliant! I was totally oblivious to his story until I heard his interview on the GAA hour. I have to say he's an inspirational lad to go through what he did in the manner he did it.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 17, 2019, 06:49:26 PM
Can someone fill me in on what first choice players Monaghan will be missing for this game?  Looks to be a good balance to that Cavan team with arguably their best players played in core positions in the team.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 17, 2019, 07:20:38 PM
This is Cavan's best chance to finally beat Monaghan at championship level in modern times.
If I were a cavan man, I'd stake the ford cortina (bald tyres and all) on the outcome.

To be fair, Cavan's best chance was 2015 when they bested Monaghan for most of the game and found themselves 5 points up with 10 minutes to go...

:D
To be fair, Cavan were 4 points up with 20 minutes to play and ran out of puff.
With 10 minutes to go the scores were level, then a little piece of McManus magic happened.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: mrdeeds on May 17, 2019, 07:45:10 PM
This is Cavan's best chance to finally beat Monaghan at championship level in modern times.
If I were a cavan man, I'd stake the ford cortina (bald tyres and all) on the outcome.

To be fair, Cavan's best chance was 2015 when they bested Monaghan for most of the game and found themselves 5 points up with 10 minutes to go...

:D
To be fair, Cavan were 4 points up with 20 minutes to play and ran out of puff.
With 10 minutes to go the scores were level, then a little piece of McManus magic happened.

Monaghan won that because they had a better bench and Martin Reilly got a ridiculous black card that was overturned after.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 18, 2019, 12:08:55 AM
This is Cavan's best chance to finally beat Monaghan at championship level in modern times.
If I were a cavan man, I'd stake the ford cortina (bald tyres and all) on the outcome.

To be fair, Cavan's best chance was 2015 when they bested Monaghan for most of the game and found themselves 5 points up with 10 minutes to go...

:D
To be fair, Cavan were 4 points up with 20 minutes to play and ran out of puff.
With 10 minutes to go the scores were level, then a little piece of McManus magic happened.

Monaghan won that because they had a better bench and Martin Reilly got a ridiculous black card that was overturned after.
To be fair, I'm just correcting the facts of what happened, not the opinions.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: mrdeeds on May 18, 2019, 12:18:49 AM
Was it not Walshe point that won it? That's not an opinion.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 18, 2019, 10:31:13 AM
Are monaghan going to name a team or are they struggling to find 15 fit players?
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Schkite on May 18, 2019, 10:48:38 AM
Are monaghan going to name a team or are they struggling to find 15 fit players?

We're just waiting as long as possible to see who's actually fit to play. Dick and Lennon might be asked to tog out yet.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 18, 2019, 10:51:29 AM
We only need 10 good fit players.

Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Schkite on May 18, 2019, 12:14:18 PM
Monaghan team named. As always, take with a pinch of salt and expect 2/3 changes regardless.

Beggan
Wylie
Boyle
Wylie
O'Connell
Walshe
Duffy
Kelly
K Hughes
Ward
Malone
Carey
McAnespie
McManus
O'Hanlon

Interesting to see Kieran back and named to start. Wouldn't be at all shocked if there was a late change, but he seems ready to play some part. Also great to see Kearns back in the squad, he might not play much if at all in this game, but fantastic to have him back in the fold.

I like the look of the defense, definitely agree with having Boyle at full back which frees up Drew a bit as well. Attack looks like it's been picked to work hard which will be crucial this evening, with a 2 man full forward line of McManus and O'Hanlon. I probably would have held O'Hanlon in reserve for an impact sub, but then I haven't been seeing how he's gone in the lead up to this. Big opportunity for him to make an impact, hope he does well. Then you've potential impact off the bench from McCarthy, McGinn and Bannigan, though the latter 2 haven't seen as much football as you'd have liked this year so far.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2019, 01:29:59 PM
Are monaghan going to name a team or are they struggling to find 15 fit players?

Looking at the Monaghan team that is named. 4 changes from the AI semi final Boyle,K Hughes,Ward, O'Hanlon in for V Corey,D Hughes,N Kearns and C McCarthy.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: BennyCake on May 18, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
Is this on tv tonight?
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Schkite on May 18, 2019, 02:14:59 PM
Is this on tv tonight?

Sky
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: BennyCake on May 18, 2019, 02:16:25 PM
Is this on tv tonight?

Sky

Balls.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 18, 2019, 02:39:21 PM
Is this on tv tonight?

Sky

Balls.
Don't jump off the cliff just yet.
Deferred broadcast on BBC2NI  (10pm I think, not sure)
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2019, 07:14:37 PM
Cavan couldn't have asked for a better start.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: An Watcher on May 18, 2019, 07:17:38 PM
Don't think it's on at all.  Crap.  2 decent games in Ulster this weekend too
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Blowitupref on May 18, 2019, 07:24:20 PM
20 mins gone Cavan 1-4 Monaghan 0-2. Monaghan have yet to score from play.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2019, 07:27:01 PM
Break in play with a dog running around the field  ;D
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 18, 2019, 07:43:58 PM
Monaghan shocking so far, fortunate to be only 7 points behind
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Blowitupref on May 18, 2019, 07:44:30 PM
Half time Cavan 1-8 Monaghan 0-4.  The home side good value for that 7 point lead.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2019, 07:48:05 PM
Great half by Cavan they look so well organised under Graham, Monaghan starting to panic already going by their wayward shooting in that half.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Shamrock Shore on May 18, 2019, 07:48:26 PM
Monaghan not at the races! Looking forward to a shock
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: cavanmaniac on May 18, 2019, 08:00:05 PM
A real crispness, organisation and confidence to Cavan today. Should see this home now and it'd be a great step forward for the team under Graham in his first year.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Blowitupref on May 18, 2019, 08:06:24 PM
40 mins played Cavan 1-9 Monaghan 0-6. Monaghan finally off the mark from play.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Blowitupref on May 18, 2019, 08:18:52 PM
52 mins played. Cavan 1-10 Monaghan 0-9.  Beggan not having one of better days on placed balls.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Blowitupref on May 18, 2019, 08:22:35 PM
Just the 3 points in it now. 14 mins to go. Cavan 1-10 Monaghan 0-10
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2019, 08:26:16 PM
Monaghan much better in this half, can Cavan hold on?
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Blowitupref on May 18, 2019, 08:33:25 PM
2 mins left Cavan 1-12 Monaghan 0-11
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: cavanmaniac on May 18, 2019, 08:40:22 PM
I think Ray Galligan might be playing for Monaghan!
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Blowitupref on May 18, 2019, 08:40:43 PM
Full time Cavan 1-13 Monaghan 0-12. Ground work for that victory was done in the 1st half congrats to Cavan on a deserved win.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: marty34 on May 18, 2019, 08:43:45 PM
Derry, Monaghan, Tipperary and Down/Armagh etc. in back door - should be a few decent ties come out of that 8n first round.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: clarshack on May 18, 2019, 08:44:56 PM
Well done Cavan. Monaghan very poor tonight though.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: LaurelEye on May 18, 2019, 08:46:07 PM
Monaghan just got Mullinalaghta'd  8)
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2019, 08:46:23 PM
Good stuff by Cavan they simply wanted it more tonight.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: cavanmaniac on May 18, 2019, 08:47:06 PM
Massive step up and stride forward for Cavan. Wobbled a bit in the second half and went too conservative at times but ultimately saw off the threat with a few well-timed scores to keep Monaghan at arm's length.
Free-taking was not an issue today for Cavan but kickouts were terrible all evening.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on May 18, 2019, 08:48:46 PM
Well done An Cabhán men :)
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 18, 2019, 08:49:38 PM
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: SouthDublinBro on May 18, 2019, 08:50:16 PM
Brilliant to see. Monaghan again underwhelming when removed from Clones. For all of the stick the fans give the Dubs over Croke Park, they can't handle away days themselves.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: kerryforsam19 on May 18, 2019, 09:08:10 PM
Cavan well worth the win. Monaghan will still be in super 8s with decent run in qualifiers.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: bennydorano on May 18, 2019, 09:51:32 PM
Half foward Reilly MOTM? Him McVetty & McKeirnan all excellent
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: JoG2 on May 18, 2019, 10:17:20 PM
Brilliant to see. Monaghan again underwhelming when removed from Clones. For all of the stick the fans give the Dubs over Croke Park, they can't handle away days themselves.

Clown

Well done Cavan. Few jitters in the 2nd half but weathered the storm. Hunger in spades. Qualifiers shaping up rightly!
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: timmyot501 on May 18, 2019, 11:16:28 PM
No complaints apart from the penalty decision obviously. Couldn't see what it was given for at the match given I was nearer other goals. But just seen it back. Crazy stuff

That said the best team won and margin prob didn't flatter them either.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: mrdeeds on May 19, 2019, 02:37:12 AM
No complaints apart from the penalty decision obviously. Couldn't see what it was given for at the match given I was nearer other goals. But just seen it back. Crazy stuff

That said the best team won and margin prob didn't flatter them either.

You saw the push?
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 19, 2019, 09:02:42 AM
Well done Cavan. Are Monaghan the new Mayo? As in gone past it?
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: larryin89 on May 19, 2019, 09:16:32 AM
Well done Cavan. Are Monaghan the new Mayo? As in gone past it?

Both Monaghan and Mayo are past it Joe brolly says so although brolly ,Spillane and o Rourke said mayo were finished after 13 final .

Cavan deserving winners but let a poor performing Monaghan team back into it when the game was there to be killed . Playing keepball inviting the turnover with over twenty mins left would be punished much more severally by a better team like Tyrone or Donegal . Some decent players on the Cavan team, kick passing impressive , kickouts need to be worked on , mckieron shooting off his weaker foot three times on the trot was poor choice . Lots of stuff they can work on but I can't see why they couldn't improve and have a right cut at it for an Ulster title .
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: From the Bunker on May 19, 2019, 09:20:07 AM
Well done Cavan. Are Monaghan the new Mayo? As in gone past it?

Monaghan have their level which is they can beat any of the main chasing bunch (Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo, Galway, Kerry) on any given day. They can also lose to the likes of Fermanagh or Cavan. Yesterdays result changes very little as to where Monaghan are.

As for Mayo, we are not as strong as we were circa 2013-2017.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 19, 2019, 09:21:24 AM
Delighted with the win. Brilliant 1st half and a nervous 2nd when monaghan pressed up very hard. Martin Reilly was the clear man of the match (except to Dick Clerkin!). I thought Jason McLoughlin was outstanding. Cavan needed badly to win this game and take out 1) our biggest provincial rivals and 2) a top 6 team. They did that well. Peno did look soft but I don't think anyone would argue we were not 4pts better today.

Bit of a worry was our inability at times to secure a kick out and some players looked to panic when monaghan pressed us and stopped making the hard runs. Good move by Mickey to bring mcvetty out the field to deal with that issue.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 19, 2019, 12:43:10 PM
Well done Cavan. Are Monaghan the new Mayo? As in gone past it?

Monaghan have their level which is they can beat any of the main chasing bunch (Tyrone, Donegal, Mayo, Galway, Kerry) on any given day. They can also lose to the likes of Fermanagh or Cavan. Yesterdays result changes very little as to where Monaghan are.

As for Mayo, we are not as strong as we were circa 2013-2017.

Yes Monaghan lack consistency, it seems they struggle when favourites and excel as the underdog. As for Mayo Horan and number of the experience players such as Barrett,Moran have said this is the strongest Mayo team/panel yet and they backed up those words so far by winning a first national title for 18 years but i suppose they will be fully judged as to where they are this summer.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Look-Up! on May 20, 2019, 09:38:23 AM
Brilliant win for us. Much the better team on the day. We looked nervous second half and looked like shooting ourselves in the foot but very happy with how we saw the game out. As soon as our lead was under real threat and the game was in the melting pot and there for both teams we upped a gear and always looked comfortable enough. Winning margin really should have been more more in truth. Free taking still an issue and cannot afford to pass up some of the scores we did. Sitting back and messing around with the ball in defense doesn't really suit us either. Kick outs good enough but we are error prone here when the pressure is on. Armagh should be a great occasion and a good gauge of where we're at. Should go in as favourites so will be interesting to see how we carry the baggage and if we can put in a back to back display.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Look-Up! on May 20, 2019, 09:49:35 AM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.

There were Less people living in Cavan when they last won an all Ireland than there is today according to whatever I looked up there

Cavan were ranked 14th in population when they last won the AI. They would have been ranked higher than that in the previous years and during their golden era but the shifting demographics at the time meant the decline was steady and irreversible. By the 1970s they were in the 20's and have stayed there since. All counties suffered population decline but Cavan and Roscommon are unique when you look at county ranking by population. Few counties have declined as badly as them.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: highorlow on May 20, 2019, 09:51:40 AM
Roscommon won't be happy with that result, having Monaghan in the qualifiers, not easy.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Look-Up! on May 20, 2019, 09:52:05 AM
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.

Monaghan did look a bit shell shocked. Was there some mix up with the travel arrangements or something? Think team bus was late in to Breffni and in a mad panic.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Look-Up! on May 20, 2019, 10:11:50 AM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
The creation of Northern Ireland made Cavan. It was a  shock to GAA people in the 6 counties and took them 50 years to get over it .
Cavan won 5 all Irelands because it was so easy to get out of Ulster. They could build teams easily because there was no predator. They developed some fabulous talent.
 Down won an all Ireland and that was effectively the end of Cavan's great run
The creation of NI destroyed Cavan. Cavan traditionally was a thriving population centre and was serviced by numerous rail networks and by the standards of the time would have had a decent and well serviced economy. With the split Cavan was now on the periphery of the state. As with the rest of the border counties there was no government investment of any sort and in fact all the railway lines were ripped up. Today the 3 counties of Ulster are the only counties in Ireland with no rail infrastructure. The neglect of the border region allowed the counties to become backwaters with little futures for the youth. Population decline was inevitable.     
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 20, 2019, 04:26:01 PM
Important update...

https://www.anglocelt.ie/news/roundup/articles/2019/05/20/4174341-meet-skye-breffni-pitch-invader-and-viral-sensation/
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: omaghjoe on May 20, 2019, 06:50:58 PM
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.

Thought your recents defeats to Div 3 opposition was far worse TBH
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: marty34 on May 20, 2019, 07:07:14 PM
No more than ourselves when Cavan were kingpins the population was up around 90,000.
The creation of Northern Ireland made Cavan. It was a  shock to GAA people in the 6 counties and took them 50 years to get over it .
Cavan won 5 all Irelands because it was so easy to get out of Ulster. They could build teams easily because there was no predator. They developed some fabulous talent.
 Down won an all Ireland and that was effectively the end of Cavan's great run
The creation of NI destroyed Cavan. Cavan traditionally was a thriving population centre and was serviced by numerous rail networks and by the standards of the time would have had a decent and well serviced economy. With the split Cavan was now on the periphery of the state. As with the rest of the border counties there was no government investment of any sort and in fact all the railway lines were ripped up. Today the 3 counties of Ulster are the only counties in Ireland with no rail infrastructure. The neglect of the border region allowed the counties to become backwaters with little futures for the youth. Population decline was inevitable.   

Population declone in west Cavan for sure but a lot of commuters from Cavan town - Virginia and all along to Dublin.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 20, 2019, 07:45:35 PM
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.

Thought your recents defeats to Div 3 opposition was far worse TBH
There's a difference between a defeat and the performance.
The defeat to Down in 2017 was similar to this one, however the tables were turned easy enough later on at Croke Park in the 4th round of the qualifiers.
Losing to the Larries on tour? one might think that no self respecting team could show their face after losing at home to that shower, but that game happened right after 2 hard games against Donegal.
It's no shock or surprise to lose to a team like Cavan on their home ground, it's just from a Monaghan perspective the performance and tactics were very poor, well below standard.

Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 20, 2019, 08:04:41 PM
Very easy win for Cavan. That was probably the worst display from Monaghan since 10 years, they played as if there was a total absence of coached preparation. Cavan had they played with more confidence in the 2nd half would have won by a country mile.

Thought your recents defeats to Div 3 opposition was far worse TBH
There's a difference between a defeat and the performance.
The defeat to Down in 2017 was similar to this one, however the tables were turned easy enough later on at Croke Park in the 4th round of the qualifiers.
Losing to the Larries on tour? one might think that no self respecting team could show their face after losing at home to that shower, but that game happened right after 2 hard games against Donegal.
It's no shock or surprise to lose to a team like Cavan on their home ground, it's just from a Monaghan perspective the performance and tactics were very poor, well below standard.

Fermangh last year? even before the late goal i thought Monaghan's performance was well off their standard.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 20, 2019, 08:28:46 PM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: omaghjoe on May 20, 2019, 09:48:20 PM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: imtommygunn on May 20, 2019, 09:50:16 PM
This was a good game. People raving about Armagh and down. IMO this was much better. Some great points taken and some serious passing by Reilly.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 20, 2019, 10:04:29 PM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.

 
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: omaghjoe on May 20, 2019, 10:56:47 PM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Itchy on May 21, 2019, 12:24:09 AM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you

He's a wee bit soar yet, leave him be. They might get 4 div 4 teams in the qualifiers this year too and make it to the super 8s yet.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 21, 2019, 01:44:03 AM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you
You have a peculiar way of agreeing with me with that pseudo nonsense.


Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: omaghjoe on May 21, 2019, 04:54:13 AM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you
You have a peculiar way of agreeing with me with that pseudo nonsense.
I was just developing your point, i thought you may have had some further insight into it that may assist your team inconsistency issues.
Sadly it appears the Banty culture of getting riled up for the big boys persists
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Main Street on May 21, 2019, 10:14:54 AM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you
You have a peculiar way of agreeing with me with that pseudo nonsense.
I was just developing your point, i thought you may have had some further insight into it that may assist your team inconsistency issues.
Sadly it appears the Banty culture of getting riled up for the big boys persists
You were not developing my point. That was your opinion and you'd have to be pretty dumb and arrogant to assume that you were developing my point with that condescending pyscho babble bull of  'the little boys who sometime can get riled up against the big boys, but they really are little boys'.
Shove it where the sun don't shine.


Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: Dire Ear on May 21, 2019, 10:42:56 AM
Give it out ,  but can't take it, eh?
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: omaghjoe on May 21, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
So many burdens of bad defeats to carry and yet Monaghan's spirit is indomitable.
Yeah you'd have to wonder... for example a good team should be able to handle teams like Longford or Fermanagh in 3rd gear.
The inconsistency points to a team that is able to get psyched up to operate above their level against the big guns.
You can wonder OJ, but who gives a shít.
No need to be so nasty, esp when I was in agreement with you
You have a peculiar way of agreeing with me with that pseudo nonsense.
I was just developing your point, i thought you may have had some further insight into it that may assist your team inconsistency issues.
Sadly it appears the Banty culture of getting riled up for the big boys persists
You were not developing my point. That was your opinion and you'd have to be pretty dumb and arrogant to assume that you were developing my point with that condescending pyscho babble bull of  'the little boys who sometime can get riled up against the big boys, but they really are little boys'.
Shove it where the sun don't shine.
Your point was that the Monaghan spirit is indomitable Im in agreement with that. They  continue to compete on the periphery of the top teams after frequent losses to team further down the totem pole. Perhaps you disagree with me as to why that continues to happen?.... but you haven't offered anything to suggest that I am incorrect or an alternative theory as to why. Instead you rather perplexity proceed to get riled up and be rude in the hope that it will somehow scare me off.
Title: Re: El Classico - Breffni Park, Saturday 18th
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2019, 03:29:44 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/kevin-mcstay-cavan-s-win-shows-the-value-of-focused-planning-1.3898617

Kevin McStay: Cavan's win shows the value of focused planning

Graam's side now in a beautiful place - a bubble of contentment and momentum


Kevin McStay
The Ulster Championship delivered two cracking games at the weekend based on the unique opportunity that the first round gives team to execute an ambush that was planned in the depths of winter.

Armagh knew they would play Down from last October when the master Championship fixtures were announced: the destiny of their season became tied up in that game. And Cavan had the same knowledge about Monaghan.

You are never again given such a protracted run – a chance to prepare for and fixate upon your opposition for months and months.

Cavan’s approach to their game interested me because it seemed like a situation that was crucial to the evolution of this generation of players. I could see the parallels with Roscommon in 2017, when we were relegated from Division One and knew we would almost certainly play either Mayo or Galway in a Connacht final.

Relegation can leave a squad and management feeling disoriented and just low. Certainly I know we felt terribly lonely and questioned ourselves having had such a drubbing of a league experience.

The way we grounded ourselves was by focusing, from months out, on that one game. And this made me think about how Cavan and Mickey Graham would have planned for what was a splendid, one-off, isolated opportunity to take out Monaghan in Breffni Park.

When Graham and his team sat down to think about this, the first thing they would have looked at is what might be termed the known-knowns.

So: Cavan know they have been relegated, in eighth place, out of Division One. They know also that Monaghan have survived by the skin of their teeth in that same league, And they also know they have lost to Monaghan in that league. But they are content that the margin between the two squads is tight: the score difference in their last four championship games is 1.33 points.

This is the opposite of a mismatch – this is a rivalry defined by inches and minute differences. They hit the post in one of those championship matches that could have won that game. So they know, from the second that the draw is made, that they have a fighter’s chance of coming out on top here. And they know Monaghan know that. So that gives them a focus and a place to work towards from months out.

The league has ended. The dates are made. And now Cavan know they have home advantage and that there is public goodwill behind this team – provided they perform on the day. It’s an occasion to look forward to because they are still outsiders – Monaghan have been an extraordinary force for the past six years.

The underdog has to have a voracious appetite for knowledge and to seek out an edge. That is what gives them an on-the-day-shot at victory. This is not the same as the Sligo-Galway equation, where the gap is just too big.

Also, Cavan’s squad is hearing of Monaghan’s mounting injury crisis. They are happy with their match-ups – they know Padraig Faulkner will take Conor McManus, for instance. They know they can’t foul because of the accuracy of Rory Beggan and McManus from 55 metres in.

They know their fitness has improved dramatically. One of the big things they clearly decided to do was to take the game to Monaghan by exploiting pace and space. The golden rule was to keep the ball out of contact. They would shift the ball over and back until they got a good shooting opportunity either side of the D. So they begin to work on this in practice, night after night.

“Mayo came up with an almighty full-field press for the first 20 minutes of the replay, and dismantled us and scored heavily in that period

Midfield would have been identified as a huge challenge for them. But now it looks like they might a serious advantage because Monaghan are down Darren Hughes, who has broken his ankle. This is huge: he is a high octane line-breaker, a force to be reckoned with. Monaghan can ill afford to lose him. Kieran Hughes and Niall Kearns have played zero minutes in the league, but Cavan know that Malachy O’Rourke, Monaghan’s manager, will have to go with one of them.

Neil McAdam and Gavin Doogan are fine players, but aren’t in the mix just now. Fintan Kelly is an outstanding wing back but not really a midfielder. So now Cavan feel they can maybe squeeze things here.

The focus turns to the kickout. In theory Monaghan should elect to go short because Gearoid McKiernan is so strong in the air. Cavan will want to go long for that same reason and make Monaghan contest the middle. All of this was planned for, and yet the game showed that plans can run down blind alleys – you have to be versatile.

It’s the old saying. Everyone has a plan until they are hit in the face. In actuality, Monaghan dominated the long kick out in the first half, and Cavan were forced to go short. It just reinforced how excellent and versatile Monaghan are around the breaking ball. So Cavan had to adjust in real time, and they were able to do so because Raymond Galligan is a very smart goalkeeper. Strangely, Monaghan didn’t push up to force the issue, and gave Cavan the short kickout.

So managers and squads can plan all we want. And I would have felt this was a key metric in this particular game – the possession stats from kickouts. But the balance is a difficult one. Go short and, yes, you will get 90 per cent plus – and maybe the odd catastrophic mistake from a turnover. Go long and those percentages dip to maybe 60 per cent.


For instance, we played Mayo in the All-Ireland quarter final in 2017. In the drawn game our kickout was at 90 per cent. But that was because Mayo gave us the short kickout – and then challenged us to travel 140m with the ball.

So the statistics looked good afterwards. And Mayo then came up with an almighty full-field press for the first 20 minutes of the replay, and dismantled us and scored heavily in that period.

So it’s important to drill deeper as to how and where these kickouts are being won. And what materialised in this Cavan-Monaghan game was that it wasn’t the kickouts that ultimately influenced the outcome – it was the efficiency rate.

“Cavan got a justifiable, if arguably soft, penalty in the first half. That utterly changed their mentality

The amount of attacks translated to shots translated to scores: which team was more accurate and efficient decided a Championship match of tight margins.

So how did it pan out? What did the punter learn watching in from over the fence and in the stands?

Well. These are the eternal truths. One is: it’s great to have the luxury of picking from a full, healthy squad. It can be a function of luck and also of a good medical team. That was Graham’s happy position this weekend.


But contrast that with Monaghan’s dilemma: ER on tour. They were falling like flies. And without your best football players, football games become very hard to win. Lose two or three of your best players – and Niall Kearns, remember, was a revelation last year – then you are shifting furniture to make the living room look as good as before the dresser fell apart.

Thirdly, key scores and key moments will, forever and ever, change the dynamic of games. Be they inspired or fortuitous, they change things. Cavan got a justifiable, if arguably soft, penalty in the first half. That utterly changed their mentality and approach. They are seven points up – probably not where they bartered on being. That changes the outlook of both teams and the terms of engagement.

And I felt the game was essentially won in the first half. Monaghan only lost two of their 11 kickouts. Cavan lost four. And yet they went in leading by seven at the break. That flew in the face of statistics. But Monaghan had seven wides to three. And critically, they had four scores from 14 shots on goal.

Cavan had 15 shots and 9 scores – 29 per cent to 60 per cent. Their conversion rate was twice as good. Fatally, Monaghan didn’t score from play in that first half. It was a truth from which they could not hide.

You are talking about having the composure to take the score in these situations deserting even the very best. You can even see a top, top player like McManus beginning to snatch because the team is under pressure, he is being double teamed and Cavan are playing with high energy.

And even though Monaghan made a great, honourable fist of coming back in the second half, they left themselves with too much to do.

After games we all look at statistics and metrics. They can tell the story of a game, and they are very informative and interesting. But they don’t always have the significance that is apportioned to them. Sometimes, the intangibles matter and they can’t be statistically recorded.

We can’t know the depth of Cavan’s hurt from previous disappointments against Monaghan, or the internal need to cement the legacy of their under-21 Ulster winning teams with a serious senior scalp.
I was chatting to Jonathan Bradley, the former Derry player who lectures in this area in Carlow IT and is a new part of the RTÉ Sunday Game team. We were chatting about the St Brigid’s group I was involved in at club level in 2012 and 2013. They were getting fed up of statistical feedback. So we decided we would reduce the season to one basic goal-oriented statistic. What we agreed on, after amendments, was: beat your own first-half score. If you score 0-8 in the first half, then better that in the second. And beat your own first-half total of scores conceded. If you concede 0-6, then concede five or less in the second.

“Cavan see themselves differently now, and are thinking of a pathway to an Ulster final and all of the excitement that entails

We played 40 games that year with that goal in mind. And we never once achieved it – or so I thought. A player rang me a few days ago, and said “we achieved it in the All-Ireland final, Kevin”.

And when I checked the score I saw that we did, against Ballymun. That was the first time it happened though. And we won by a single point.

So the point is: what looks like a simple task can be very hard to reach. That goal meant that we kept on playing until the very end. That was a very motivating statistic. And it stood to us that day in 2013.

But whatever about Cavan’s aptitude in the statistical breakdown, only they know the absolute want and hunger that went into the game on Saturday night.

Confidence levels

And the ambush was successful. What does that change? Everything. Cavan see themselves differently now, and are thinking of a pathway to an Ulster final and all of the excitement that entails.

And if they get there, think of what that will do for the county. The confidence levels among the younger lads will shoot up.

As Sean Cavanagh said, it was a coming-of-age match for them. They are in a beautiful place in the Championship now – a bubble of contentment and momentum which can only be burst through defeat. Training becomes heightened in energy and application and mood. Cavan’s tradition will come to the fore.

All the planning and preparation and waiting will feel like it was worthwhile