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Title: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on April 24, 2019, 04:26:11 PM
Minors out on Saturday evening against Westmeath at O'Moore Park. Anyone see any sign of a team anywhere?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on April 25, 2019, 08:46:37 AM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on April 25, 2019, 03:09:46 PM
Minors out on Saturday evening against Westmeath at O'Moore Park. Anyone see any sign of a team anywhere?



Here ya go...

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/04/25/laois-minor-hurlers-announce-panel-captain-and-vice-captain/
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on April 25, 2019, 05:24:05 PM
I thought last year's team looked very well prepared. Hopefully, if the player quality is better this year and the same level of preparation, you'd hope that they'd be competitive.

Congrats to Trumera who managed to produce 3 players worthy of a place on the panel. Very disappointing to see only 1 from Portlaoise.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on April 25, 2019, 06:37:09 PM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on April 26, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

I didn't realise that there had been ultimatums given. That's disappointing, if in no way unsurprising. I wonder what the reaction would have been if the hurling management had given those young lads ultimatae. Different I'd guess.

I was talking about good hurlers from hurling clubs who didn't commit.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on April 26, 2019, 11:52:58 AM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

Just said Iíd pop in and say that dual players are accommodated this year and last year in Offaly. Not preaching or anything, but we were very competitive in the hurling anyway, while decent at the football. It didnít seem to hinder either team, to tell you the truth.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on April 26, 2019, 12:08:02 PM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

Just said Iíd pop in and say that dual players are accommodated this year and last year in Offaly. Not preaching or anything, but we were very competitive in the hurling anyway, while decent at the football. It didnít seem to hinder either team, to tell you the truth.

There you have it lads, Offaly are the way forward it seems.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on April 26, 2019, 12:16:03 PM
Well, I seem to recall they beat our minor hurlers last year, didn't they?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on April 26, 2019, 12:17:05 PM
Well, I seem to recall they beat our minor hurlers last year, didn't they?
And?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on April 26, 2019, 02:57:48 PM
Did they? I thought we were in a group with Wexford Dublin and Kilkenny?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on April 26, 2019, 03:27:53 PM
Yes, as the bottom team in that group, they played the top team in the second group - which was Offaly. They lost that game (though I can't remember the score) and that's why they're not in the top group this year - they failed to make the provincial semi-final.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on April 26, 2019, 03:37:15 PM
Thanks for the clarification Burdizzo. I missed that match for some reason.

To go back to the point, I donít think itís helpful for anyone to be giving ultimatums to 16 or 17 year olds.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on April 26, 2019, 04:00:24 PM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

Just said Iíd pop in and say that dual players are accommodated this year and last year in Offaly. Not preaching or anything, but we were very competitive in the hurling anyway, while decent at the football. It didnít seem to hinder either team, to tell you the truth.

There you have it lads, Offaly are the way forward it seems.

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Unlaoised on April 26, 2019, 04:59:09 PM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

I didn't realise that there had been ultimatums given. That's disappointing, if in no way unsurprising. I wonder what the reaction would have been if the hurling management had given those young lads ultimatae. Different I'd guess.

I was talking about good hurlers from hurling clubs who didn't commit.

Its also what you get when the Hurling manager is so anti football he couldn't accom those players or make it easier to be part of both codes...

Or so I'm told
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on April 26, 2019, 08:01:14 PM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

Just said Iíd pop in and say that dual players are accommodated this year and last year in Offaly. Not preaching or anything, but we were very competitive in the hurling anyway, while decent at the football. It didnít seem to hinder either team, to tell you the truth.

There you have it lads, Offaly are the way forward it seems.

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.
Well done on almost losing the All Ireland Final
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on April 26, 2019, 08:30:46 PM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

Just said Iíd pop in and say that dual players are accommodated this year and last year in Offaly. Not preaching or anything, but we were very competitive in the hurling anyway, while decent at the football. It didnít seem to hinder either team, to tell you the truth.

There you have it lads, Offaly are the way forward it seems.

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.
Well done on almost losing the All Ireland Final
Thanks. Hopefully ye can support us next summer in our endeavours as the only midlands county in the Leinster championship.
Christ, you are some can of piss. And I only keep that one for a select few.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on April 26, 2019, 11:53:50 PM

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.

What did he do now?!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on April 27, 2019, 12:36:01 AM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

I didn't realise that there had been ultimatums given. That's disappointing, if in no way unsurprising. I wonder what the reaction would have been if the hurling management had given those young lads ultimatae. Different I'd guess.

I was talking about good hurlers from hurling clubs who didn't commit.

Its also what you get when the Hurling manager is so anti football he couldn't accom those players or make it easier to be part of both codes...

Or so I'm told

Well your told wrong

There are hurlers on the football panel who would have made the minor hurling panel,but were given a clear choice by minor football mgmt.

I know of only one chap who when given the choice took hurling over the football,maybe thereís more
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on April 27, 2019, 07:30:04 AM
Should be a good team, a mixture of two pretty good development squads. For different reasons, there's a few lads not on board.

Some given the ultimatum

 choose minor football over hurling


Young Burke from the Harps,Critchely from Portlaoise are 2 that would have added to it,but thatís what your get when Hurling is actively marginalized in 2/3rds of the county

Just said Iíd pop in and say that dual players are accommodated this year and last year in Offaly. Not preaching or anything, but we were very competitive in the hurling anyway, while decent at the football. It didnít seem to hinder either team, to tell you the truth.

There you have it lads, Offaly are the way forward it seems.

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.
Well done on almost losing the All Ireland Final
Thanks. Hopefully ye can support us next summer in our endeavours as the only midlands county in the Leinster championship.
Christ, you are some can of piss. And I only keep that one for a select few.
Feel free to pop the f**k out anytime you feel like it
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on April 27, 2019, 09:47:15 AM

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.

What did he do now?!
Essentially told Stephen Loughnane that he wasnít wanted for Shinrone. He transferred to Loughrea and is now with the Galway u20s I believe, after having been with the Offaly u20s at the start of the year. Told Shinrone players not to play with Offaly. Also wouldnít let any of the other Offaly u20s from Shinrone train with Offaly.
As you can see, thatís worked out very well. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on April 27, 2019, 01:18:34 PM

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.

What did he do now?!
Essentially told Stephen Loughnane that he wasnít wanted for Shinrone. He transferred to Loughrea and is now with the Galway u20s I believe, after having been with the Offaly u20s at the start of the year. Told Shinrone players not to play with Offaly. Also wouldnít let any of the other Offaly u20s from Shinrone train with Offaly.
As you can see, thatís worked out very well. 😂😂😂
Imagine letting a blow in from Laois run your club like that, I thought Offaly men had a bit more to them than that.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on April 27, 2019, 01:49:42 PM

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.

What did he do now?!
Essentially told Stephen Loughnane that he wasnít wanted for Shinrone. He transferred to Loughrea and is now with the Galway u20s I believe, after having been with the Offaly u20s at the start of the year. Told Shinrone players not to play with Offaly. Also wouldnít let any of the other Offaly u20s from Shinrone train with Offaly.
As you can see, thatís worked out very well. 😂😂😂
Imagine letting a blow in from Laois run your club like that, I thought Offaly men had a bit more to them than that.
I couldnít care less about Shinrone. Itís the county thatís suffering as a result, with young Loughnane, a fine keeper playing for Loughrea. Iím far from being from Shinrone, I assure you.
Thatís before we come to the Ďsledging Ď. And itís not calling someone a bollox, itís much, much worse.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on April 27, 2019, 03:55:28 PM

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.

What did he do now?!
Essentially told Stephen Loughnane that he wasnít wanted for Shinrone. He transferred to Loughrea and is now with the Galway u20s I believe, after having been with the Offaly u20s at the start of the year. Told Shinrone players not to play with Offaly. Also wouldnít let any of the other Offaly u20s from Shinrone train with Offaly.
As you can see, thatís worked out very well. 😂😂😂

Well done Agent Delaney

Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on April 27, 2019, 05:58:11 PM
Heh.

Anyway, easy enough win for the minors today - 2-21 to 0-7. Think Westmeath only got one or two from play? A couple of nice prospects in the half-forward line, notably Dan Delaney, and Tadhg Cuddy in midfield, too. At times, lads were inclined to take too much out of the ball, but hopefully they'll build confidence in this tier, and drive on from there.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on April 27, 2019, 10:38:19 PM

Lost to eventual All-Ireland finalists by five points.
By the way, ye can have Delaney back anytime ye want. The ****.

What did he do now?!
Essentially told Stephen Loughnane that he wasnít wanted for Shinrone. He transferred to Loughrea and is now with the Galway u20s I believe, after having been with the Offaly u20s at the start of the year. Told Shinrone players not to play with Offaly. Also wouldnít let any of the other Offaly u20s from Shinrone train with Offaly.
As you can see, thatís worked out very well. 😂😂😂
Imagine letting a blow in from Laois run your club like that, I thought Offaly men had a bit more to them than that.
I couldnít care less about Shinrone. Itís the county thatís suffering as a result, with young Loughnane, a fine keeper playing for Loughrea. Iím far from being from Shinrone, I assure you.
Thatís before we come to the Ďsledging Ď. And itís not calling someone a bollox, itís much, much worse.
Methinks the Lady doth protest too much
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on April 27, 2019, 10:39:29 PM
Heh.

Anyway, easy enough win for the minors today - 2-21 to 0-7. Think Westmeath only got one or two from play? A couple of nice prospects in the half-forward line, notably Dan Delaney, and Tadhg Cuddy in midfield, too. At times, lads were inclined to take too much out of the ball, but hopefully they'll build confidence in this tier, and drive on from there.
Job done? Confidence boosting for players and management. Seems a decent spine.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: MasterJ on April 28, 2019, 12:51:09 PM
Quite a good bit of talent. Captain Tadhg Cuddy and wing-forward Dan Delaney caught the eye. Corner-back Ian Shanahan played well too. Laois got good start but let Westmeath back into the game. Westmeath only scored twice in the second half and only scored two points from play in total. Their keeper puck-outs got them scores. The Laois lads got a talking to at half time and scored 1-11 without reply. 1-5 to 0-5 at the break. Should win Tier 2!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on April 29, 2019, 09:37:55 AM
Decent win. The talent is there. Westmeath were poor but Laois did the job well. Kildare had a big win over Antrim.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on April 29, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
Of course any win in a good win but I wouldn't be getting too excited. There is a huge gulf in class between Westmeath and the likes of the teams we were playing last year. If this team played a Kilkenny or a Dublin and were beaten by 8 or 10 points, we'd be saying there isn't much talent.

The conditions (wind) made it difficult but I think that we still need to do a lot of work on the basic skills. On the other hand, the workrate is there, as it was last year, which is great to see.

There is no doubt that we have some good players (as we did last year). For me the standouts from this game were the corner (Shanahan I think No. 4) especially in the second half, Tadhg Cuddy (9), Dooley (11), and Adam Kirwan. Honourable mentions to Delaney (12) and Duggan (10).

It's great for lads to get a few good wins but they need to keep working hard at it.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 02, 2019, 11:07:44 AM
See Laois beat Offaly by 6 in the Celtic Cup last night. Am I right in thinking this competition is for minors not on the match day panels, or is it for 16 year olds?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: redsetanta on May 02, 2019, 12:01:56 PM
Was wondering that myself. Are any of those lads involved in the minor team or eligable to be called in?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Mad Mentor on May 02, 2019, 10:02:28 PM
Eight of the Celtic Challenge squad are on the minor panel. These are lads who do not feature in the starting minor team - at least not so far. There are about 34 on the minor panel but only 24 of these get a jersey on matchday. The criteria for the Celtic Challenge is that players are u17 and not doing the Leaving Cert this year. No disrespect to these lads, but you could consider this our minor B team in effect.
Laois had a storming first half last night and led 2:12 to 0:4 at half time from some fantastic teamwork. We could have been even further ahead as at least three goal chances went astray. Offaly fought back strongly in the second half but our lads kept the scoreboard ticking over enough to keep us six points ahead at the end 3:18 to 2:15. There are a lot of talented young hurlers in Laois at the u16/u17 level and I would hope both can do well this year. Cillian Dunne from Clough Ballacolla won the Best and Fairest award for the Laois team.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: redsetanta on May 03, 2019, 09:25:31 AM
And the same for Offaly so it shows we have a strong panel if our 'B' team beats Offaly's 'B' team so well. It's a good competition in fairness for all these aspiring hurlers and gives them games at their level when they would otherwise be training away with no game time. Hurling seems to be far more innovative when it comes to running competitions. I don't think their is a football equivalent.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on May 03, 2019, 03:21:21 PM
Eight of the Celtic Challenge squad are on the minor panel. These are lads who do not feature in the starting minor team - at least not so far. There are about 34 on the minor panel but only 24 of these get a jersey on matchday. The criteria for the Celtic Challenge is that players are u17 and not doing the Leaving Cert this year. No disrespect to these lads, but you could consider this our minor B team in effect.
Laois had a storming first half last night and led 2:12 to 0:4 at half time from some fantastic teamwork. We could have been even further ahead as at least three goal chances went astray. Offaly fought back strongly in the second half but our lads kept the scoreboard ticking over enough to keep us six points ahead at the end 3:18 to 2:15. There are a lot of talented young hurlers in Laois at the u16/u17 level and I would hope both can do well this year. Cillian Dunne from Clough Ballacolla won the Best and Fairest award for the Laois team.

You're a great man for going to matches
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Mad Mentor on May 03, 2019, 07:54:31 PM
Eight of the Celtic Challenge squad are on the minor panel. These are lads who do not feature in the starting minor team - at least not so far. There are about 34 on the minor panel but only 24 of these get a jersey on matchday. The criteria for the Celtic Challenge is that players are u17 and not doing the Leaving Cert this year. No disrespect to these lads, but you could consider this our minor B team in effect.
Laois had a storming first half last night and led 2:12 to 0:4 at half time from some fantastic teamwork. We could have been even further ahead as at least three goal chances went astray. Offaly fought back strongly in the second half but our lads kept the scoreboard ticking over enough to keep us six points ahead at the end 3:18 to 2:15. There are a lot of talented young hurlers in Laois at the u16/u17 level and I would hope both can do well this year. Cillian Dunne from Clough Ballacolla won the Best and Fairest award for the Laois team.
It's a great hobby. If I win the lotto I might go pro.😁
You're a great man for going to matches
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on May 04, 2019, 09:36:32 PM
I was just looking over the Twitter feed for the Electric Ireland Leinster Minor Hurling, Laois v Kildare match. Wow, it looks like it was a nail-biter. Great finish, lads!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 12, 2019, 08:59:06 PM
The Laois lads obviously got a kick in the arse after the narrow Kildare win. Huge score against Antrim. Into Leinster championship proper now I think. Hopefully they can do themselves proud.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 13, 2019, 10:22:36 AM
Who do they play ?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: redsetanta on May 13, 2019, 10:47:07 AM
http://leinstergaa.ie/competitions/electric-ireland-leinster-minor-hurling-championship-2017/ (http://leinstergaa.ie/competitions/electric-ireland-leinster-minor-hurling-championship-2017/)

Laois are now in a quarter final and will be drawn against one of the teams who finished in the bottom two places of Tier 1 either Offaly or Wexford. The top 2 in tier 1 go straight to the semi finals.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Shapes Ex Laoistalk on May 13, 2019, 11:33:42 AM
http://leinstergaa.ie/competitions/electric-ireland-leinster-minor-hurling-championship-2017/ (http://leinstergaa.ie/competitions/electric-ireland-leinster-minor-hurling-championship-2017/)

Laois are now in a quarter final and will be drawn against one of the teams who finished in the bottom two places of Tier 1 either Offaly or Wexford. The top 2 in tier 1 go straight to the semi finals.

Round 2 (2 games)
Winners of A, B, C and 1st in Tier 2

They actually play one of the teams who come through Round 1 I think

Round 1
A. 1st in Tier 3 v 4th in Tier 2
B. 2nd in Tier 3 v 3rd in Tier 2
c. 3rd in Tier 3 v 2nd in Tier 2
1st in Tier 2 (bye)
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 13, 2019, 11:52:09 AM
Quite hard to follow...
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: redsetanta on May 13, 2019, 12:29:59 PM
You're right. The winners of round 1 knock out games plus Laois ( 4 teams) play again and the two winners are then drawn against the botton two teams in Tier 1 for a place in the semi finals. 
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: G@@ on May 14, 2019, 12:02:50 PM
The Laois lads obviously got a kick in the arse after the narrow Kildare win.

That is a decent Kildare minor team - they finished second behind Laois after walloping Antrim 2-19 to 0-07 and beating Westmeath handsomely 1-19 to 2-10.

Following the three opening games Laois have scored 75pts and conceded 37 whereas Kildare have scored 63 and conceded 40.

Interesting to see the Kildare lads make progress at hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 14, 2019, 12:19:30 PM
I suppose they're all dual players, and the best of them will be diverted to football. Same as happens here outside the strong hurling areas.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: redsetanta on May 14, 2019, 12:22:45 PM
Hurling is quite strong in the schools in Naas. They would have hurling clubs in their catchment area.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 14, 2019, 12:31:10 PM
I suppose they're all dual players, and the best of them will be diverted to football. Same as happens here outside the strong hurling areas.

There are a few hurling enclaves in Kildare that are quite passionate and wouldn't be football strongholds. Their problem is that it is only a small number of clubs - Naas, Coill Dubh. I think most of their senior hurling team play for Naas. Big county with plenty of money and resources. Wouldn't be beyond possibility that they can catch up with the likes of Laois.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 14, 2019, 12:45:20 PM
They beat the 15s last weekend seeminlgy by a point- bowds well for counties like Kildare when they see their work in hurling catching up on some more "traditional" counties.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 14, 2019, 05:09:13 PM
They beat the 15s last weekend seeminlgy by a point- bowds well for counties like Kildare when they see their work in hurling catching up on some more "traditional" counties.

Great for Kildare but we need to make sure we keep ourselves up the pecking order! Would be much happier if Kildare were beating the other teams and we were closing the gap to the big guns.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on May 14, 2019, 06:21:45 PM
I suppose they're all dual players, and the best of them will be diverted to football. Same as happens here outside the strong hurling areas.

There are a few hurling enclaves in Kildare that are quite passionate and wouldn't be football strongholds. Their problem is that it is only a small number of clubs - Naas, Coill Dubh. I think most of their senior hurling team play for Naas. Big county with plenty of money and resources. Wouldn't be beyond possibility that they can catch up with the likes of Laois.

Naas have teams hurling in underage leagues in Kilkenny
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Laois Rising on May 14, 2019, 06:44:44 PM
This article is a few years old but it shows what is capable when a club is well run and you have lads with a genuine interest in developing the game involved. A town of 20,000 and in less than a decade hurling is flourishing...if only there was a town in Laois with huge potential for the development and growth of hurling by putting the right structures in place and getting the right people involved. Now let me think....

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/naas-nurturing-a-generation-of-hurling-trailblazers-34138486.html
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 14, 2019, 09:27:48 PM
I remember playing Naas about 15 years ago in a practice match. We were senior at the time, but they gave us a right trimming, as far as I remember. They had a good, big clubhouse, and great facilities. I assume it's shared w/ football?
Aside from the collapse of Portlaoise underage hurling - which is a disaster for hurling around the middle of the county, I think - there is good work being done underage in Portarlington. Unfortunately, however, this seems destined to be strangled by the football-dominated club over there. Perhaps much like Slieve Margy in the south east.
Another thing - just what is the point in stuffing our development squads with dual players, when most of them will end up choosing football in the end? Seems like a terrible waste of time and effort from a hurling point of view.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on May 14, 2019, 10:23:46 PM
I remember playing Naas about 15 years ago in a practice match. We were senior at the time, but they gave us a right trimming, as far as I remember. They had a good, big clubhouse, and great facilities. I assume it's shared w/ football?
Aside from the collapse of Portlaoise underage hurling - which is a disaster for hurling around the middle of the county, I think - there is good work being done underage in Portarlington. Unfortunately, however, this seems destined to be strangled by the football-dominated club over there. Perhaps much like Slieve Margy in the south east.
Another thing - just what is the point in stuffing our development squads with dual players, when most of them will end up choosing football in the end? Seems like a terrible waste of time and effort from a hurling point of view.

Considering we have only 1 u15 team this year cut from 2 teams in previous years,the charge of stuffing a hurling development squad with dual players doesnít hold true any more
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 15, 2019, 08:27:48 AM
I remember playing Naas about 15 years ago in a practice match. We were senior at the time, but they gave us a right trimming, as far as I remember. They had a good, big clubhouse, and great facilities. I assume it's shared w/ football?
Aside from the collapse of Portlaoise underage hurling - which is a disaster for hurling around the middle of the county, I think - there is good work being done underage in Portarlington. Unfortunately, however, this seems destined to be strangled by the football-dominated club over there. Perhaps much like Slieve Margy in the south east.
Another thing - just what is the point in stuffing our development squads with dual players, when most of them will end up choosing football in the end? Seems like a terrible waste of time and effort from a hurling point of view.

Considering we have only 1 u15 team this year cut from 2 teams in previous years,the charge of stuffing a hurling development squad with dual players doesnít hold true any more

What is the dual count on the 15s / 16s? do we know? is there any Dual Minors?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on May 15, 2019, 10:00:19 AM
I remember playing Naas about 15 years ago in a practice match. We were senior at the time, but they gave us a right trimming, as far as I remember. They had a good, big clubhouse, and great facilities. I assume it's shared w/ football?
Aside from the collapse of Portlaoise underage hurling - which is a disaster for hurling around the middle of the county, I think - there is good work being done underage in Portarlington. Unfortunately, however, this seems destined to be strangled by the football-dominated club over there. Perhaps much like Slieve Margy in the south east.
Another thing - just what is the point in stuffing our development squads with dual players, when most of them will end up choosing football in the end? Seems like a terrible waste of time and effort from a hurling point of view.

Considering we have only 1 u15 team this year cut from 2 teams in previous years,the charge of stuffing a hurling development squad with dual players doesnít hold true any more

What is the dual count on the 15s / 16s? do we know? is there any Dual Minors?

There are no dual players on the minor hurling,football managment gave them a very clear choice

Donít know about the 16ís

Possibly 3/4 on both u15 teams
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on May 15, 2019, 01:13:14 PM
I remember playing Naas about 15 years ago in a practice match. We were senior at the time, but they gave us a right trimming, as far as I remember. They had a good, big clubhouse, and great facilities. I assume it's shared w/ football?
Aside from the collapse of Portlaoise underage hurling - which is a disaster for hurling around the middle of the county, I think - there is good work being done underage in Portarlington. Unfortunately, however, this seems destined to be strangled by the football-dominated club over there. Perhaps much like Slieve Margy in the south east.
Another thing - just what is the point in stuffing our development squads with dual players, when most of them will end up choosing football in the end? Seems like a terrible waste of time and effort from a hurling point of view.


This is an amazing decision and surely a negative step. Over 50 lads were getting training last year and they did very well in their National Competitions
Considering we have only 1 u15 team this year cut from 2 teams in previous years,the charge of stuffing a hurling development squad with dual players doesnít hold true any more
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 15, 2019, 02:02:58 PM
I remember playing Naas about 15 years ago in a practice match. We were senior at the time, but they gave us a right trimming, as far as I remember. They had a good, big clubhouse, and great facilities. I assume it's shared w/ football?
Aside from the collapse of Portlaoise underage hurling - which is a disaster for hurling around the middle of the county, I think - there is good work being done underage in Portarlington. Unfortunately, however, this seems destined to be strangled by the football-dominated club over there. Perhaps much like Slieve Margy in the south east.
Another thing - just what is the point in stuffing our development squads with dual players, when most of them will end up choosing football in the end? Seems like a terrible waste of time and effort from a hurling point of view.

Considering we have only 1 u15 team this year cut from 2 teams in previous years,the charge of stuffing a hurling development squad with dual players doesnít hold true any more

What is the dual count on the 15s / 16s? do we know? is there any Dual Minors?

There are no dual players on the minor hurling,football managment gave them a very clear choice

Donít know about the 16ís

Possibly 3/4 on both u15 teams

Think the 15s have more like 6-7 from what I heard. Either way to be fair to the hurlers whey were slower out of the blocks this year than the footballers were organised wise as far as I know.  The 16s is abit of a farce now tho in terms of losing a lot of players to the U17s. U14 is really only a starting place.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: redsetanta on May 20, 2019, 04:01:37 PM
Laois drawn to play Westmeath who we've already played and beat well. Win that and it's a quarter against either Wexford or Offaly.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on May 24, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
Jayzus, the Minors are just pulverizing Westmeath. Amazing job, lads!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on May 24, 2019, 09:37:23 PM
Jayzus, the Minors are just pulverizing Westmeath. Amazing job, lads!
A bad week for Westmeath hurling. They'll do well to pull themselves off out of this.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Jd on May 24, 2019, 10:54:12 PM
Ah jasus don please fill us in on this !!!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on May 24, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
Here is a report on this brilliant display. 12 of the team chipped in with scores...





https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/419409/the-laois-minor-hurlers-saunter-past-westmeath-to-book-leinster-quarter-final.html (https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/419409/the-laois-minor-hurlers-saunter-past-westmeath-to-book-leinster-quarter-final.html)
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 24, 2019, 11:27:14 PM
Ah jasus don please fill us in on this !!!

Another double entendre coming up, hur hur.
But, yes, don't leave us dangling like this!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on May 24, 2019, 11:36:14 PM
Ah jasus don please fill us in on this !!!

Another double entendre coming up, hur hur.
But, yes, don't leave us dangling like this!
Haha
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on May 25, 2019, 05:29:41 PM
Yea, C'mon Don, have the balls to tell us what this is about.. :)
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 25, 2019, 05:40:51 PM
Actually, some lad spilt the beans on the general hurling forum. Seemingly he posted a pic of his dic on the team wattsapp group!!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on May 25, 2019, 08:37:41 PM
Actually, some lad spilt the beans on the general hurling forum. Seemingly he posted a pic of his dic on the team wattsapp group!!

He's not one of our own is he?!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on May 26, 2019, 07:29:37 AM
Actually, some lad spilt the beans on the general hurling forum. Seemingly he posted a pic of his dic on the team wattsapp group!!

He's not one of our own is he?!
No. A Dub.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 26, 2019, 08:41:11 AM
Rub a dub dub, eh?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 27, 2019, 09:52:03 AM
Who have the Minors got next ?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 27, 2019, 10:23:04 AM
Who have the Minors got next ?

Think I read somewhere that it is the winners of Wexford vs Offaly. After the leaving cert I would guess?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: redsetanta on May 27, 2019, 10:29:15 AM
Here is a report on this brilliant display. 12 of the team chipped in with scores...





https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/419409/the-laois-minor-hurlers-saunter-past-westmeath-to-book-leinster-quarter-final.html (https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/419409/the-laois-minor-hurlers-saunter-past-westmeath-to-book-leinster-quarter-final.html)

2-23 from play is some going.

According to Leinster GAA website we play at home to Wexford on June 8th at 1pm. Kildare got Offaly.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 27, 2019, 11:40:19 AM
Tougher draw, I'd imagine. Kildare could beat Offaly.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 27, 2019, 12:43:45 PM
Tougher draw, I'd imagine. Kildare could beat Offaly.

Will show us where we really are. Would be a great one to win.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: MasterJ on May 29, 2019, 07:20:51 AM
Highlights of Westmeath win can be seen here:
https://www.gaa.ie/gaa-now/
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Andy06 on May 29, 2019, 06:09:30 PM
Have to say what a brilliant year it is for Laois in the championship!
Senior footballers in a Leinster semi-final
Minor footballers in a Leinster semi-final
Senior hurlers with 2 wins out of 2 in the Joe McDonagh and looking well there
Minor hurlers into a Leinster quarter-final and flying by all accounts
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: MasterJ on May 29, 2019, 07:14:57 PM
Agreed but still one more win needed in minor football , senior football and senior hurling. And two more needed in minor hurling
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2019, 01:34:58 PM
Have to say what a brilliant year it is for Laois in the championship!
Senior footballers in a Leinster semi-final
Minor footballers in a Leinster semi-final
Senior hurlers with 2 wins out of 2 in the Joe McDonagh and looking well there
Minor hurlers into a Leinster quarter-final and flying by all accounts

All well and good, but we need to be getting to finals and then winning them, especially in football.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 30, 2019, 04:30:24 PM
Why especially in football?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on May 30, 2019, 04:37:28 PM
Why especially in football?
Because we've fallen so dramatically from there. The hurling is a gradual process. It should be easier make up the ground in football.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on May 31, 2019, 07:59:08 AM
God, I'd say it's very important to get to, and win, the McDonagh Cup final - much more important than winning a Leinster football final - as if that's a realistic goal at the moment.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on May 31, 2019, 08:12:03 AM
God, I'd say it's very important to get to, and win, the McDonagh Cup final - much more important than winning a Leinster football final - as if that's a realistic goal at the moment.
I should have been clearer, I was referring to Minor level, my apologies. I dont see us beating Dublin in a senior Leinster final anytime soon.

The Joe Mc is the most important.

But sadly in truth, its not worth a f**k as its set up for us to come back down again the following year.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: MasterJ on May 31, 2019, 08:48:19 AM
God, I'd say it's very important to get to, and win, the McDonagh Cup final - much more important than winning a Leinster football final - as if that's a realistic goal at the moment.
I should have been clearer, I was referring to Minor level, my apologies. I dont see us beating Dublin in a senior Leinster final anytime soon.

The Joe Mc is the most important.

But sadly in truth, its not worth a f**k as its set up for us to come back down again the following year.


The football isn't worth it ether because of Dublin.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on May 31, 2019, 09:00:22 AM
God, I'd say it's very important to get to, and win, the McDonagh Cup final - much more important than winning a Leinster football final - as if that's a realistic goal at the moment.
I should have been clearer, I was referring to Minor level, my apologies. I dont see us beating Dublin in a senior Leinster final anytime soon.

The Joe Mc is the most important.

But sadly in truth, its not worth a f**k as its set up for us to come back down again the following year.


The football isn't worth it ether because of Dublin.
Equaling Dublin at underage level shouldn't be beyond us.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on May 31, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
God, I'd say it's very important to get to, and win, the McDonagh Cup final - much more important than winning a Leinster football final - as if that's a realistic goal at the moment.
I should have been clearer, I was referring to Minor level, my apologies. I dont see us beating Dublin in a senior Leinster final anytime soon.

The Joe Mc is the most important.

But sadly in truth, its not worth a f**k as its set up for us to come back down again the following year.


The football isn't worth it ether because of Dublin.
Equaling Dublin at underage level shouldn't be beyond us.

Agreed No reason we can't be doing more than just competing against Dublin at underage Football and Hurling I think anyway
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on May 31, 2019, 10:46:13 AM

The Joe Mc is the most important.

But sadly in truth, its not worth a f**k as its set up for us to come back down again the following year.

I understand what you mean in terms of the step up but I don't agree that it is not worth a f**k. I would personally place a lot of weight in winning the McDonagh cup. It would be great recognition that we are best amongst our peers. Would love to win a final in Croke Park too. Everything else would be a bonus. In my opinion you should have to qualify for the Leinster championship proper by playing a promotion / relegation challenge rather than the current situation.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: MasterJ on June 01, 2019, 09:45:37 AM
Also winning or losing the final you still would have a game left in the All-Ireland prelimery quarter final against third place teams.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on June 02, 2019, 08:21:47 PM
Equaling Dublin at underage level shouldn't be beyond us.

I think this is very fanciful!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on June 02, 2019, 11:02:20 PM
Equaling Dublin at underage level shouldn't be beyond us.

I think this is very fanciful!
Thats our problem there in a nutshell.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on June 02, 2019, 11:43:20 PM
Equaling Dublin at underage level shouldn't be beyond us.

I think this is very fanciful!
Thats our problem there in a nutshell.

Expand.
Numbers, resources and facilities.
To say it shouldn't be beyond us totally understates the level of difficulty involved in achieving that grand aim.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on June 03, 2019, 11:53:30 AM
Bar numbers at underage I would think we are fairly equal now. We ahve fantastic facilities and rescources
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 04, 2019, 10:55:12 AM
Bar numbers at underage I would think we are fairly equal now. We ahve fantastic facilities and rescources

You have got to be kidding. Spend a day going around some of the big club facilities in Dublin and you might change your mind. Kilmacud and Ballyboden alone have more resources and a bigger underage playing population than county Laois. In reality, if Dublin got it right all the rest wouldn't have a hope of competing with them.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on June 04, 2019, 10:57:07 AM
Bar numbers at underage I would think we are fairly equal now. We ahve fantastic facilities and rescources

You have got to be kidding. Spend a day going around some of the big club facilities in Dublin and you might change your mind. Kilmacud and Ballyboden alone have more resources and a bigger underage playing population than county Laois. In reality, if Dublin got it right all the rest wouldn't have a hope of competing with them.
But they won't. They're so big that brings its own issues. They can still only put 15 on the field. Throwing your hands up in the air isn't going to do much. Dublin have had these margins and are trying to capitalise on them for over a decade or more, and I don't see them dominating Minor All Ireland quite yet do you?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on June 04, 2019, 11:18:13 AM
Bar numbers at underage I would think we are fairly equal now. We ahve fantastic facilities and rescources

You have got to be kidding. Spend a day going around some of the big club facilities in Dublin and you might change your mind. Kilmacud and Ballyboden alone have more resources and a bigger underage playing population than county Laois. In reality, if Dublin got it right all the rest wouldn't have a hope of competing with them.
But they won't. They're so big that brings its own issues. They can still only put 15 on the field. Throwing your hands up in the air isn't going to do much. Dublin have had these margins and are trying to capitalise on them for over a decade or more, and I don't see them dominating Minor All Ireland quite yet do you?


I was referring to our Intercounty facilities at OMP tbh. I see the point re the clubs and their facilties but at the end of the day can still only pick 26 on a match day play 15 of them.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on June 06, 2019, 12:59:51 AM
I'm neither being facetious or defeatist! Our facilities, resources and playing numbers are nowhere near Dublin, and never will be.
We are competing with teams who we are traditionally better than at underage in both codes right now.
That's the first step. Being ALWAYS better than them- Carlow, Longford etc in football,  and Carlow, Westmeath (& Offaly now) in Hurling.
That should be our aim first and foremost.
In bad years (talent wise) we beat the teams above
In good years (talent wise) we compete strongly with the next level (Dublin, Kildare in football & Dublin, Kilkenny, Wexford in Hurling).
In very good years (Talent wise) we beat some of these teams at the "next level".

It's important to be ambitious, and realistic!
Realism and a practical, achievable attitude to progress is extremely underrated!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: smcder on June 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AM
Awful fixture making with the minors and seniors Saturday.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on June 08, 2019, 07:54:41 PM
Disappointing finish to cship. Team has lots of potential senior hurlers but they learned a harsh lesson today. Unforced errors especially on puck outs and missed goal chances really cost us. We were really asking questions of Wexford before the 3rd goal went in and that score gave Wexford a major confidence boost.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on June 08, 2019, 08:30:10 PM
Yes it was a harsh lesson. They were very competitive with Wexford for 40 mins but there was a 20 minute spell where everything went wrong. There wasnít a lot of leadership shown on the team at that stage I have to say and not too much on the line either. Iíve been very impressed with the management team overall but Iím afraid this wasnít one of their better days.

As was said there were some good performances. The entire full back line did very well despite the concession of the 4 goals. Tadhg Cuddy did his best to show some leadership, David Dooley was good and James Duggan was again very good.

The final score didnít do them justice but players and management need to learn from these experiences.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on June 08, 2019, 08:32:06 PM
Should also say that for such a high profile ref, I thought he was really poor.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on June 08, 2019, 08:39:55 PM
Id agree on the referee but i dont think he influenced the outcome. After goal 3 we lost 4-5 puck outs in a row, our movement was poor and the old Laois failing of playing the scoreboard instead of the ball set in for 10 mins. Wexford tacked on scores. Laois did get going again and finished strong but was this just a 'shur we have nothing to lose now' effort. The composure was needed directly after goal 3 but it didnt happen.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on June 08, 2019, 09:13:35 PM
Yes Iíd agree although the ďpenaltyĒ was almost certainly outside of the square and the decision to award a free to Laois and then throw it in for some reason only known to himself came at a very important stage of the game.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Home Boys Home on June 08, 2019, 10:52:56 PM
Yes it was a harsh lesson. They were very competitive with Wexford for 40 mins but there was a 20 minute spell where everything went wrong. There wasnít a lot of leadership shown on the team at that stage I have to say and not too much on the line either. Iíve been very impressed with the management team overall but Iím afraid this wasnít one of their better days.

As was said there were some good performances. The entire full back line did very well despite the concession of the 4 goals. Tadhg Cuddy did his best to show some leadership, David Dooley was good and James Duggan was again very good.

The final score didnít do them justice but players and management need to learn from these experiences.

Management actually far from impressive.  Some very questionable selection decisions that were always going to be punished once we moved out of tier2 .
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: merman on June 08, 2019, 11:29:27 PM
Yes it was a harsh lesson. They were very competitive with Wexford for 40 mins but there was a 20 minute spell where everything went wrong. There wasnít a lot of leadership shown on the team at that stage I have to say and not too much on the line either. Iíve been very impressed with the management team overall but Iím afraid this wasnít one of their better days.

As was said there were some good performances. The entire full back line did very well despite the concession of the 4 goals. Tadhg Cuddy did his best to show some leadership, David Dooley was good and James Duggan was again very good.

The final score didnít do them justice but players and management need to learn from these experiences.

Management actually far from impressive.  Some very questionable selection decisions that were always going to be punished once we moved out of tier2 .

I'm afraid I agree.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Mad Mentor on June 09, 2019, 05:34:25 AM
Just as regards leadership on the field, this is an U17 team and very few lads will have the emotional maturity to handle the setbacks in the biggest game of their life so far.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on June 09, 2019, 09:39:39 AM
I suppose Iím really talking about game management rather than leadership. By the age of 17, lads should be taught how to recognize when things are going wrong and how to deal with it. Iím afraid the management themselves didnít seem to take any action either.

I wouldnít know enough about the options available to make a judgement about selection. However, it did look to me like Dan Delaney would have been a more sensible option on the half forward line or even further in. Still, I donít have any idea whatís going on at training etc so maybe thatís unfair.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on June 10, 2019, 02:41:40 PM
Yeah, I thought he looked good in the first game against Westmeath, but he subsequently fell out of favour for some reason. Seems to have made an impact when brought on on Saturday.

Not at all surprised to see Offaly beaten by Kildare. I assume that means next year Laois and Offaly will be in tier 2, and Kildare in tier 1?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on June 10, 2019, 08:15:46 PM
Yeah, I thought he looked good in the first game against Westmeath, but he subsequently fell out of favour for some reason. Seems to have made an impact when brought on on Saturday.

Not at all surprised to see Offaly beaten by Kildare. I assume that means next year Laois and Offaly will be in tier 2, and Kildare in tier 1?

I reckon Kildare will do better than Laois or Offaly v the big guns. Bigger, physically more advanced and definitely not short on confidence.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: MasterJ on June 11, 2019, 07:59:51 AM
Sadly Kildare are better then Laois at Minor hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: The PRO on June 11, 2019, 08:06:44 AM
Sadly Kildare are better then Laois at Minor hurling.
How come we beat them earlier on this year then? They might well be at our level but a pretty sweeping statement to say they're better than Laois.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on June 11, 2019, 09:48:03 AM
Sadly Kildare are better then Laois at Minor hurling.
Would you away and shite.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on June 11, 2019, 10:00:15 AM
Sadly Kildare are better then Laois at Minor hurling.

Laois beat Kildare this year. Also, I can't ever recall any of these squads losing to Kildare up along.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on June 11, 2019, 10:34:37 AM
Sadly Kildare are better then Laois at Minor hurling.

What a silly comment, teams go further than other teams because of the draw they get more often or not- Id of said our Minors would of beaten Offaly in normal time but who knows. The Minor Hurlers have put in some very good performances and should be proud of themselves.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on June 11, 2019, 02:06:56 PM
Only a puck of a ball between ourselves and Kildare at minor level this year
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on June 11, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
Exactly. One solitary point, and Laois only came from behind late on to just get over the line.

I wonder will Kildare be able to sustain it?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on June 11, 2019, 02:35:37 PM
Only a puck of a ball between ourselves and Kildare at minor level this year
Only one is required.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on June 11, 2019, 10:05:31 PM
This 'who is better' debate is pointless. It looks like Laois, Offaly and Kildare are of a similar standard. Laois were competitive and a little unlucky v Wexford do perhaps kildare have stepped up (this year anyway). Carlow did similar for a few years in the 00s and have made a solid base from these players. A minor team similar to this years for Laois every year would be a very solid base for a future Laois senior teams.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 20, 2019, 03:18:16 PM
Has the 2020 Laois Minor Hurling Management been finalised yet?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: merman on August 20, 2019, 04:05:17 PM
Has the 2020 Laois Minor Hurling Management been finalised yet?

Few details to be ironed out but I think it best to not to speculate until anything is confirmed.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 20, 2019, 04:08:37 PM
Has the 2020 Laois Minor Hurling Management been finalised yet?

Few details to be ironed out but I think it best to not to speculate until anything is confirmed.

You involved....or a club mate....?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 20, 2019, 05:11:56 PM
Has the 2020 Laois Minor Hurling Management been finalised yet?

Few details to be ironed out but I think it best to not to speculate until anything is confirmed.


It's a very important appointment and i hope our hapless board get it right. Knowing them they'll probably appoint Eamon Kelly.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 20, 2019, 06:05:23 PM
Has the 2020 Laois Minor Hurling Management been finalised yet?

Few details to be ironed out but I think it best to not to speculate until anything is confirmed.


It's a very important appointment and i hope our hapless board get it right. Knowing them they'll probably appoint Eamon Kelly.
I presume it would be between Enda Lyons who has been manager for the last two years, or the current u16 management team of Liam Dunne, Tim Fahy and Ollie Quinlan. 
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 20, 2019, 10:18:13 PM
By all accounts Enda Lyons seemed to run a professional show last year.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 20, 2019, 10:27:54 PM
By all accounts Enda Lyons seemed to run a professional show last year.

By all accounts he will have competition from the group named above, and possibly others!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Ogie on August 21, 2019, 11:05:52 AM
In my opinion Enda Lyons & team should be givin another year, ( I believe he has a three year term anyway ), a modern forward thinking coach & well organized manager, has improved the standard well & should not be pushed out when our best crop for a few years are now coming through

The other three named above are all parents, who were with the team up along but would not be good for Laois hurling, they are making a push for the job bringing a Ďcelebrity coachí on their ticket for a few guest appearance sessions I believe
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on August 21, 2019, 11:49:27 AM
I also think Enda Lyons did extremely well over the two years (possibly with the exception of the Wexford match last year when the matchups were a bit off I think). Genrally, his teams seem to have a good organisation and workrate and you can't ask for much more from a coach.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on August 21, 2019, 12:27:40 PM
I have a friend with a young chap on this panel and heard great things about this team. I went along last Saturday to have a look at a practice game in the training centre against a Cork selection. The first thing that struck me was that Laois had 3 subs, while Cork had a full panel of over 30 players most of which got game time.
I was informed that this particular group have not had trials since u14 level which seems extraordinary considering how players devolp from year to year. A lot of players possibly falling under the radar, in addition to the benefits of 15 on 15 training sessions. I'm a firm believer that no parent should be involved with a county set up  as it totally compromises the job. Im familiar with kilkenny set ups and its a strict requirement to have quality independent coaches with no family attachments in their devolpment squads.
Ps cork hammered laois for the record which is worrying. Hopefully a quality coach and selectors can be chosen for this highly talented group with no family or club loyalties.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 21, 2019, 05:27:00 PM
I have a friend with a young chap on this panel and heard great things about this team. I went along last Saturday to have a look at a practice game in the training centre against a Cork selection. The first thing that struck me was that Laois had 3 subs, while Cork had a full panel of over 30 players most of which got game time.
I was informed that this particular group have not had trials since u14 level which seems extraordinary considering how players devolp from year to year. A lot of players possibly falling under the radar, in addition to the benefits of 15 on 15 training sessions. I'm a firm believer that no parent should be involved with a county set up  as it totally compromises the job. Im familiar with kilkenny set ups and its a strict requirement to have quality independent coaches with no family attachments in their devolpment squads.
Ps cork hammered laois for the record which is worrying. Hopefully a quality coach and selectors can be chosen for this highly talented group with no family or club loyalties.

Unfortunately what you say is well known. The lack of trials is an ongoing disgrace. A very closed shop where in reality next year's minor team is already picked if they get the job.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 21, 2019, 05:41:31 PM
I have a friend with a young chap on this panel and heard great things about this team. I went along last Saturday to have a look at a practice game in the training centre against a Cork selection. The first thing that struck me was that Laois had 3 subs, while Cork had a full panel of over 30 players most of which got game time.
I was informed that this particular group have not had trials since u14 level which seems extraordinary considering how players devolp from year to year. A lot of players possibly falling under the radar, in addition to the benefits of 15 on 15 training sessions. I'm a firm believer that no parent should be involved with a county set up  as it totally compromises the job. Im familiar with kilkenny set ups and its a strict requirement to have quality independent coaches with no family attachments in their devolpment squads.
Ps cork hammered laois for the record which is worrying. Hopefully a quality coach and selectors can be chosen for this highly talented group with no family or club loyalties.

Unfortunately what you say is well known. The lack of trials is an ongoing disgrace. A very closed shop where in reality next year's minor team is already picked if they get the job.


I'd be pretty sure if a lad was playing well with his club, these mentors would be the first to know about it and bring him in.

The group seem to  have gone back a good bit since their U14 days where they were unlucky not to win out the Forristal. I know David Dooley is now concentrating on rugby and a few lads have opted out to go play football but there seems to be an alarming drop in standards. What happened? Is it coaching? Is it management? Is it the football management telling the players they cant play both? Is it clubs not supporting the county? What is it?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 21, 2019, 06:06:51 PM
I have a friend with a young chap on this panel and heard great things about this team. I went along last Saturday to have a look at a practice game in the training centre against a Cork selection. The first thing that struck me was that Laois had 3 subs, while Cork had a full panel of over 30 players most of which got game time.
I was informed that this particular group have not had trials since u14 level which seems extraordinary considering how players devolp from year to year. A lot of players possibly falling under the radar, in addition to the benefits of 15 on 15 training sessions. I'm a firm believer that no parent should be involved with a county set up  as it totally compromises the job. Im familiar with kilkenny set ups and its a strict requirement to have quality independent coaches with no family attachments in their devolpment squads.
Ps cork hammered laois for the record which is worrying. Hopefully a quality coach and selectors can be chosen for this highly talented group with no family or club loyalties.

Unfortunately what you say is well known. The lack of trials is an ongoing disgrace. A very closed shop where in reality next year's minor team is already picked if they get the job.


I'd be pretty sure if a lad was playing well with his club, these mentors would be the first to know about it and bring him in.

The group seem to  have gone back a good bit since their U14 days where they were unlucky not to win out the Forristal. I know David Dooley is now concentrating on rugby and a few lads have opted out to go play football but there seems to be an alarming drop in standards. What happened? Is it coaching? Is it management? Is it the football management telling the players they cant play both? Is it clubs not supporting the county? What is it?

I'd question how they would find out a lad was going well? Unless he went well against one of their own clubs, where you will probably find them on the sideline when games at that age grade are being played.
Shouldn't automatically rule them out, but I'd seriously question any move to appoint them.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Batman!!! on August 21, 2019, 06:16:11 PM
By all accounts former Laois staff member Ciaran Muldooley has his name in the hat and is rivaled by Liam Dunne.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 21, 2019, 06:21:58 PM
So is that 3 different management teams?
1. Lyons & co
2. Dunne & co.
3. Muldowney & .....
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on August 21, 2019, 08:48:20 PM
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 22, 2019, 09:33:35 AM
By all accounts former Laois staff member Ciaran Muldooley has his name in the hat and is rivaled by Liam Dunne.

I got a bit of a shock when i read this last night so I texted Ciaran. He replied saying six lads had text him the same question yesterday evening. He knows nothing about it. Nobody has approached him, he hasn't applied and he won't be doing it.

I'd say it's a case of "Holy Shit Stirring" by Batman
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 22, 2019, 10:16:44 AM
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,thereís been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 24, 2019, 09:39:33 AM
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,thereís been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.


The cutting of the U15 group to one panel was a very bad move.

Were you seriously told "it's a closed shop"?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Batman!!! on August 24, 2019, 10:19:52 AM
Who actually told you it was a closed shop??

U15 management only have two mentors involved. The previous years management couldn't commit for various reasons. Hard for them to carry two panels when only two people willing to help out.

Outrageous name being thrown around as minor hurling coach. Anyone else hear anything. Thankfully it ain't muldooley!!!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 24, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
Who actually told you it was a closed shop??

U15 management only have two mentors involved. The previous years management couldn't commit for various reasons. Hard for them to carry two panels when only two people willing to help out.

Outrageous name being thrown around as minor hurling coach. Anyone else hear anything. Thankfully it ain't muldooley!!!

I asked our GDA was their going to be a trial for this years u16 team,he came back to me and the answer was an emphatic No.

The last trial for this particular team was when they were u14.

The level of apathy towards underage hurling in this county continues unabated.

Delighted to hear itís not Muldowney,to say he went through the motions here as a GDA would be an understatement.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on August 24, 2019, 12:44:42 PM
I completely agree with Clonadmad regarding this years U16 panel. At least the u15s had ongoing trials at the start of the year. How the team can be termed as a development panel is beyond me.
~No trials since u14
~The only so called hurling county that had one panel in place since u14.
~Players handpicked by selectors who clearly have club bias when selecting a panel and don't travel to other club or schools games.
~Having ongoing training sessions for the last 2 years where they would be lucky to get 20 players
~Denying other players with a passion to hurl for their county the right to trial.
I accept that some times it may be difficult to get the required help but this is where the county board needs to be proactive about hurling and drive us on to the next level. This should all be sorted before Xmas.
Go outside the county if you have to. Ex players who have a passion for laois hurling. Spend some money ffs. The profile of laois hurling is strong at the moment it wouldn't be too difficult to get a proper management team in place for next years minors who are a fiercely talented group.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 25, 2019, 10:58:30 AM
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,thereís been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

Iíve seen Ye hurl on numerous occasions over the last few years and Iíd question who these 2/3 lads are. To say the standard is low would be an understatement. Huge numbers of players unable to perform even the most basic skills. I didnít see any potential county players.  In fairness, maybe those lads werenít playing on any of those nights. Iím still struggling to believe that one of the mentors actually told you itís a closed shop.

What is really amazing is that 4or 5 of the Kilkenny team that Laois beat at u14 weíre playing in the minor final last Sunday.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Ogie on August 25, 2019, 11:42:32 AM
New management team to be named this week, big big name involved.
Interesting to see how it works out
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 25, 2019, 01:42:15 PM
Hard to believe he is genuinely going to be there on a regular basis!
Maybe he will
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: les Antiques on August 25, 2019, 03:06:42 PM
Is it a secret ? Who is he ?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 25, 2019, 03:21:24 PM
     
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,there’s been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

I’ve seen Ye hurl on numerous occasions over the last few years and I’d question who these 2/3 lads are. To say the standard is low would be an understatement. Huge numbers of players unable to perform even the most basic skills. I didn’t see any potential county players.  In fairness, maybe those lads weren’t playing on any of those nights. I’m still struggling to believe that one of the mentors actually told you it’s a closed shop.

What is really amazing is that 4or 5 of the Kilkenny team that Laois beat at u14 we’re playing in the minor final last Sunday.
     That's a bit of an unfair dig at young players Zooming Around. We need to include players from every club in our county squads. There were several lads from that u14 Laois team that played minor this year so what's your point? It's easier to play better when you have better players around you and there's a long way between u14 and u17.
    Without a doubt next year's minors will be potentially our most talented group for years, but this will be nothing to do with the county board and arguably even the management team who have been over them since u14. It may already be too late to get the best out of these lads as there has been no co-ordinated development work done in the intervening years. This year especially has been very disjointed. The minor management wanted a minor panel of thirty, so they could have fifteen v fifteen matches in training. However this meant that there were some lads in their final year minor - who weren't getting game time - or even getting on a match day panel of 24, and who felt they were only being used as training fodder. At the same time, there was a Celtic Challenge squad - also u17 - and some lads opted to "drop down" to this in order to get game time. This squad was mainly u16's and only two u17s were used on the pitch at any one time. A couple of the u16's were subsequently moved up to the minor panel to fill in for injuries. Once you had played minor you couldn't go back to Celtic Challenge. This team struggled a bit as they were predominantly up against teams where they were all u17.
     There seemed to be a big lack of coordination between the two squads and no joined up thinking as to how to get the best out of all the players available. It would appear that each management team - at all age groups - are just let get on with it as they see fit. Similarly to the club scene, it is left to parents to take on these management roles and the county board seem happy to allow this to continue. The Setanta programme seems to have disappeared. It wasn't without its flaws, but at least it gave any young lad who wanted it, a chance to be part of a bigger set up outside the club.
      The minor team management in my opinion should be co-ordinated with all the development squads below it with a chance for all players and coaches to feed into it. Everyone working to a plan and with as many players involved as possible.
      There is a temptation at every level to have a winning team, that leads to a neglect of the long term development of the county. While it is great to be competitive at the Tony Forristal, you are already down the road of picking players just to be successful in the short term. I would be far more impressed to see a big name come in to organise the overall development of players from u14 to minor.

Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 25, 2019, 04:44:54 PM
     
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,thereís been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

Iíve seen Ye hurl on numerous occasions over the last few years and Iíd question who these 2/3 lads are. To say the standard is low would be an understatement. Huge numbers of players unable to perform even the most basic skills. I didnít see any potential county players.  In fairness, maybe those lads werenít playing on any of those nights. Iím still struggling to believe that one of the mentors actually told you itís a closed shop.

What is really amazing is that 4or 5 of the Kilkenny team that Laois beat at u14 weíre playing in the minor final last Sunday.
     That's a bit of an unfair dig at young players Zooming Around. We need to include players from every club in our county squads. There were several lads from that u14 Laois team that played minor this year so what's your point? It's easier to play better when you have better players around you and there's a long way between u14 and u17.
    Without a doubt next year's minors will be potentially our most talented group for years, but this will be nothing to do with the county board and arguably even the management team who have been over them since u14. It may already be too late to get the best out of these lads as there has been no co-ordinated development work done in the intervening years. This year especially has been very disjointed. The minor management wanted a minor panel of thirty, so they could have fifteen v fifteen matches in training. However this meant that there were some lads in their final year minor - who weren't getting game time - or even getting on a match day panel of 24, and who felt they were only being used as training fodder. At the same time, there was a Celtic Challenge squad - also u17 - and some lads opted to "drop down" to this in order to get game time. This squad was mainly u16's and only two u17s were used on the pitch at any one time. A couple of the u16's were subsequently moved up to the minor panel to fill in for injuries. Once you had played minor you couldn't go back to Celtic Challenge. This team struggled a bit as they were predominantly up against teams where they were all u17.
     There seemed to be a big lack of coordination between the two squads and no joined up thinking as to how to get the best out of all the players available. It would appear that each management team - at all age groups - are just let get on with it as they see fit. Similarly to the club scene, it is left to parents to take on these management roles and the county board seem happy to allow this to continue. The Setanta programme seems to have disappeared. It wasn't without its flaws, but at least it gave any young lad who wanted it, a chance to be part of a bigger set up outside the club.
      The minor team management in my opinion should be co-ordinated with all the development squads below it with a chance for all players and coaches to feed into it. Everyone working to a plan and with as many players involved as possible.
      There is a temptation at every level to have a winning team, that leads to a neglect of the long term development of the county. While it is great to be competitive at the Tony Forristal, you are already down the road of picking players just to be successful in the short term. I would be far more impressed to see a big name come in to organise the overall development of players from u14 to minor.

I wasnít trying to be unfair on anyone. Just calling it as I saw it.
I agree with you on the Setanta program. Very disappointing the way itís being neglected
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 25, 2019, 05:50:40 PM
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,thereís been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

Iíve seen Ye hurl on numerous occasions over the last few years and Iíd question who these 2/3 lads are. To say the standard is low would be an understatement. Huge numbers of players unable to perform even the most basic skills. I didnít see any potential county players.  In fairness, maybe those lads werenít playing on any of those nights. Iím still struggling to believe that one of the mentors actually told you itís a closed shop.

What is really amazing is that 4or 5 of the Kilkenny team that Laois beat at u14 weíre playing in the minor final last Sunday.

Regardless of whether lads are good enough from my club or yours for that matter

The bottom line is that this years u16 team was a closed shop and has been since those lads were u14


It mightnít suit you to hear it but thatís the reality
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 25, 2019, 09:30:53 PM
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,thereís been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

Iíve seen Ye hurl on numerous occasions over the last few years and Iíd question who these 2/3 lads are. To say the standard is low would be an understatement. Huge numbers of players unable to perform even the most basic skills. I didnít see any potential county players.  In fairness, maybe those lads werenít playing on any of those nights. Iím still struggling to believe that one of the mentors actually told you itís a closed shop.

What is really amazing is that 4or 5 of the Kilkenny team that Laois beat at u14 weíre playing in the minor final last Sunday.

Regardless of whether lads are good enough from my club or yours for that matter

The bottom line is that this years u16 team was a closed shop and has been since those lads were u14


It mightnít suit you to hear it but thatís the reality


It really doesnít matter what suits me. Iím not involved in any way other than I have a couple of nephews around this age grade. Iím still struggling with the notion that any set of mentors would close the shop at 14 and not be open to bringing in anyone who sticks their hand up.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 25, 2019, 10:25:40 PM
Unfortunately that management team have a little bit of an "In" with county board.
The name I am hearing is Derek McGrath. I believe the current U16s were told over the last few days that if the U16 management team got the gig McGrath would be their trainer. Seems a little underhand.
Also a surefire way to destabilise any alternative management team that might get the job ahead of them!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 26, 2019, 08:28:59 AM
Its all madness. Most GAA thing ever. Only one reason that man is going to train a Laois Minor Team and its not for the betterment of young laois hurlers.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on August 26, 2019, 09:50:03 AM
Its all madness. Most GAA thing ever. Only one reason that man is going to train a Laois Minor Team and its not for the betterment of young laois hurlers.
Agreed, he's obviously in it for the glamour.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on August 26, 2019, 10:19:07 AM
Exactly.
Excuse my naivety, but what's the problem if we have a high-profile trainer?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 26, 2019, 11:09:44 AM
Can give you 10-15 thousand reasons why this is a bad idea.. number 1 being this is a minor team, ie 15-17 year old kids, not a senior one.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on August 26, 2019, 11:13:49 AM
Can give you 10-15 thousand reasons why this is a bad idea.. number 1 being this is a minor team, ie 15-17 year old kids, not a senior one.
So McGrath's experience of winning back to back Harty and All Irelands with DLS would probably stand to him.

If thats your number 1, I'd say you wouldn't get to 15, let alone 15,000.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 26, 2019, 11:34:07 AM
Can give you 10-15 thousand reasons why this is a bad idea.. number 1 being this is a minor team, ie 15-17 year old kids, not a senior one.
So McGrath's experience of winning back to back Harty and All Irelands with DLS would probably stand to him.

If thats your number 1, I'd say you wouldn't get to 15, let alone 15,000.

Point being when anyone clubs / county thinks it is ok to pay anyone that type of cash to train kids then we may stop calling the GAA an amateur organisation once and for all. This is an absolute farce and goes against all what the GAA should stand for, and if laois hurling people had any self respect theyd call this out for what it is. More or less the minor manager for the last 2 years lost his job here because someone has thrown money at a name.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on August 26, 2019, 11:37:02 AM
Can give you 10-15 thousand reasons why this is a bad idea.. number 1 being this is a minor team, ie 15-17 year old kids, not a senior one.
So McGrath's experience of winning back to back Harty and All Irelands with DLS would probably stand to him.

If thats your number 1, I'd say you wouldn't get to 15, let alone 15,000.

Point being when anyone clubs / county thinks it is ok to pay anyone that type of cash to train kids then we may stop calling the GAA an amateur organisation once and for all. This is an absolute farce and goes against all what the GAA should stand for, and if laois hurling people had any self respect theyd call this out for what it is. More or less the minor manager for the last 2 years lost his job here because someone has thrown money at a name.
Relax. The horse bolted on payments a long time back. The GAA you long for is dead.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 26, 2019, 11:38:40 AM
I accept senior payments.. I just have issues with paying people to train a team of kids, thats all. Now its done I wish them all the best and hope it works out.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on August 26, 2019, 11:52:06 AM
I dont care who is over this team as long as they reach their potential. If it takes Derek McGrath and we have to pay him so what?
Maybe no stone is being left unturned to get the most out of this group and an outside man is needed as it looks like people in Laois are going to squabble over it.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on August 26, 2019, 11:54:00 AM
I couldnt give a f**k about winning minors as long as we're developing intercounty players.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2019, 12:01:31 PM
Itís a bit of a change from us going cap in hand to Martin Fogarty to see if he could  get anyone for us to potentially getting McGrath onboard.

I hope itís the DLS Harty McGrath we are getting and not the McGrath of the single and double sweeper,we are getting

His Harty winning teams played a lovely brand of hurling
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Ogie on August 26, 2019, 12:17:41 PM
I would be a fan of McGrath, but this appointment stinks a little bit, just because the U16 management wanted the job and have a friend with money they get the job and a good man thrown out on his ear

Iíd be keen to see the details of his exact involvement, I think itís just a stroke being pulled to get that management team into the job.
Puts a big spotlight on our minors for the year ahead,
Surely that money could be invested throughout our senior & development squads or McGrath appointed as head of all development squads
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2019, 12:36:47 PM
I accept senior payments.. I just have issues with paying people to train a team of kids, thats all. Now its done I wish them all the best and hope it works out.

All the serious hurling counties have ďbudgetsĒ in place for their  underage squads
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 26, 2019, 01:00:46 PM
Personally very happy to see more money spent to pay for coaches at U-12/14/16. It is the only investment that actually pays off. GDAs are supposed to do this work but not enough of them and not sufficiently connected to the club structures. When I win the euromillions I will personally fund a high profile passionate ex-Laois hurler and pay him well to coach at U12/14 in every school and club in Laois. He will keep his job if measurable standards improve, otherwise he will be replaced. The measurable standards will be based on skills and number of players coming through at each age grade, titles will look after themselves.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 26, 2019, 01:32:49 PM
Personally very happy to see more money spent to pay for coaches at U-12/14/16. It is the only investment that actually pays off. GDAs are supposed to do this work but not enough of them and not sufficiently connected to the club structures. When I win the euromillions I will personally fund a high profile passionate ex-Laois hurler and pay him well to coach at U12/14 in every school and club in Laois. He will keep his job if measurable standards improve, otherwise he will be replaced. The measurable standards will be based on skills and number of players coming through at each age grade, titles will look after themselves.

Colm Begleys old position is being advertised in the past week,which will bring us up to 5 GdAís The same number as Tipp and Kerry.

Ideally Iíd love to see another Hurling GDA for the portlaoise urban area as Juvenile hurling bar at u15 is on its knees in there.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: LooseCannon on August 26, 2019, 04:00:02 PM
Just after seeing Will OíCallaghan of Radio 3ís tweet. I presume that itís Cheddar?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Helix. on August 26, 2019, 04:25:36 PM
Just after seeing Will OíCallaghan of Radio 3ís tweet. I presume that itís Cheddar?

Heís after saying Derek McGrath now
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 26, 2019, 04:26:27 PM
RTE reporting it now....
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on August 26, 2019, 04:55:40 PM
RTE reporting that Enda Lyons would move up to take on the U-20s. If so, then I guess that's fair enough. We need to keep as many good people involved as possible and I would think that he is a good one.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: steven seagal on August 26, 2019, 05:58:31 PM
Yeah it would be good to keep Lyons involved, he seems to get teams hurling with a bit of determination and direction so we'd want to be keeping hold of someone like that.

Some people on here seem to have a problem with McGrath coming on board. On the scale of problems we've had in Laois hurling over the last decade or so, I'd be ranking this one fairly low down.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 26, 2019, 06:15:26 PM
I donít have a problem with McGrath coming on board.
Iíve no confidence in the management team he is assisting, and Iíd be dubious about the level of his involvement.
Hopefully I am wrong on all counts.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: merman on August 26, 2019, 06:21:57 PM
I don't think anybody doubts his credentials. The reception here has been lukewarm owing to the way this outcome has been reached.

I'm certainly in the minority on this forum but I wouldn't have been in favour of retaining the outgoing management.
I'm relieved there's a change but it does feel a bit harsh the way this was handled.
Once this alternative was put together, there was never going to be any viable way it couldn't be backed by the County Board.
They were never going to look a gift horse in the mouth so to speak.

I donít have a problem with McGrath coming on board.
Iíve no confidence in the management team he is assisting, and Iíd be dubious about the level of his involvement.
Hopefully I am wrong on all counts.

I would share Keyser's concerns to a fair degree. I hope McGrath is as honourable a character as I think he is and he gives a fierce commitment to the role. It'll be all worthwhile if results are delivered on the pitch and systems are put in place that are retained for the future.

Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Joeythelips on August 27, 2019, 04:01:56 PM
I couldnt give a f**k about winning minors as long as we're developing intercounty players.

I would not quite have the same attitude as I think both help the other but the main point I do agree with, the priority is developing players for Senior intercounty level, McGrath can obviously train players to a very high standard, if he brings that to this job then our players will obviously benefit. Imagine been a 17 year old hurler in Laois and you hear he was going to be taking over the coaching, surely you could not wait to get going.

There was a lot of chat on here about why Eddie Brennan was allowed to keep his role as RTE pundit, something which no doubt brings in a nice few quid for the year, but maybe this has helped in swaying McGraths mind also? who knows, its still a bit of a coop for the county board to get someone of such a high profile to help with underage.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on August 27, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
Here lads, this is the fella who coached HOTY Aussie Gleeson.

Job done. Stand back.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: mountrath1 on August 28, 2019, 12:21:53 AM
Thank god for this appointment.. messrs dunne and that quinlan lad with no experience are been put into the dark.. improvements are made by getting your best involved not your family??.. From a management with no experience to having 1 with it..mite help if I ever of the others were to drop off
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: GAA-SMART on August 28, 2019, 08:23:29 AM
Hard enough to get experience into guys when everyone says they shouldn't get the job because they have no experience, and we wonder why we find it hard to get people to take teams. Dunne has experience anyway if he took a development team from 14-minor. Minor is U17 lads not senior mens.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on August 28, 2019, 11:51:00 AM
Experience or not his management, selection process and training methods for the last 3 years have been nothing short of a disgrace. There's a clear club bias from people I've talked in the know.
Hopefully Derek mcgrath will change that and be allowed to fulfill the roll without the parochial bullshit that goes on in this county.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: LOVEGAA on August 28, 2019, 12:49:18 PM
Experience or not his management, selection process and training methods for the last 3 years have been nothing short of a disgrace. There's a clear club bias from people I've talked in the know.
Hopefully Derek mcgrath will change that and be allowed to fulfill the roll without the parochial bullshit that goes on in this county.

What's in this for McGrath ? Would this not be a step down for him ?

This parochial bullshit has been going on a while and the lack of trials going on a few years now and nothing done about it

The county board need to get their act together.  There is no point in bringing in big names if the same people are running things the way they want it and not how it should be .

Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on August 28, 2019, 01:05:22 PM
I can only speculate that mcgrath is going to receive a large wad of cash for his efforts. If it helps to improve players and help reconstruct our development panels I'm all for it
My fear is that he is being brought in to allow the current U16 management oust last year's minor management team and that his involvement in the county will be as a partial adviser.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 28, 2019, 01:54:23 PM
Experience or not his management, selection process and training methods for the last 3 years have been nothing short of a disgrace. There's a clear club bias from people I've talked in the know.


I think that's a very unfair comment on somebody as passionate and as good as Liam Dunne. His manangement skills are really good and he has a great way of getting the most out of his players as evidenced by the results this group have achieved.

Do you know what his training methods are? Have you seen him in action? What's wrong with them?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on August 28, 2019, 04:11:58 PM
Hes in charge of a development panel and has a duty along with the county board to develop as many players as possible during his time in charge. From my information and that of other contributors on here he made the panel a closed shop since the Tony Forristal tournament in 2017. I have learnt that the most he has at training in these years is 20 max and mostly around the 14/15 mark. How is that good management ffs ?.
The results have been unbelievable in 2017 and 2018 but they've been hammered by Cork, Tipp this year. Suffered losses to Dublin and Wexford. I also believe a poor Offaly team nearly beat them last week where this Laois team hammered them in the 2 years previously.
How in gods name is acceptable that no development squad have trials because of a few results. Show me the evidence where this happens anywhere else ?.
Some quality players who are dual players have already stepped away because of the clichť installed by the management.
The players that trialled for this years minors were supposed to be involved in the celtic challenge team but again that was made effectively a closed shop.
Being involved in development teams for many years myself this is one of the worst cases of mismanagement I ve ever heard.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2019, 04:28:00 PM
Well from what I can gather, is that the management team opted to enter one team only in the tony Forristal (albeit with fantastic results) when this group where u14. This went against the grain of every other year when Laois sent 2 teams. I think the majority of the problem is that other chaps not involved in the click have no interest or desire to be ask in to make up the numbers in what essentially is a closed shop.

The fact that the panel has never had trials and are handpicked by the selectors in the intervening years is unbelievable. The mentors who call the shots are involved with their club teams so they never get to view other games independently.
I again reiterate the fact that Laois had only three subs last Saturday a week or two out from their important end of season tournament. Is their any other development panel in the country managed in this way. I believe that one chap playing corner forward is a back and has been playing in that position since he was small. No surprise when I heard he was from one of the selectors club.

Ditto with this years u16 team

We had 2/3 lads who we thought might be worthy of consideration,only to be told that it was a closed shop also,thereís been no trials for this group also since u14.

Unbelievable carry on

Also the 2 u15 teams were cut to 1 this year.

Iíve seen Ye hurl on numerous occasions over the last few years and Iíd question who these 2/3 lads are. To say the standard is low would be an understatement. Huge numbers of players unable to perform even the most basic skills. I didnít see any potential county players.  In fairness, maybe those lads werenít playing on any of those nights. Iím still struggling to believe that one of the mentors actually told you itís a closed shop.

What is really amazing is that 4or 5 of the Kilkenny team that Laois beat at u14 weíre playing in the minor final last Sunday.

Regardless of whether lads are good enough from my club or yours for that matter

The bottom line is that this years u16 team was a closed shop and has been since those lads were u14


It mightnít suit you to hear it but thatís the reality


It really doesnít matter what suits me. Iím not involved in any way other than I have a couple of nephews around this age grade. Iím still struggling with the notion that any set of mentors would close the shop at 14 and not be open to bringing in anyone who sticks their hand up.

You can struggle all you want,but thatís the reality and itís been said to you by a good few posters at this stage,you need to get a bit more clued into whatís going on with underage hurling development in the county.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 28, 2019, 04:31:33 PM
Who actually told you it was a closed shop??

U15 management only have two mentors involved. The previous years management couldn't commit for various reasons. Hard for them to carry two panels when only two people willing to help out.

Outrageous name being thrown around as minor hurling coach. Anyone else hear anything. Thankfully it ain't muldooley!!!

Why did they go through the pretense of running 3 Saturdayís of u15 trials then back in March if they they knew they were only going to have 1 u15 team.

Why wasnít that said to everyone before the trials began?



Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Ogie on August 29, 2019, 03:06:54 PM
The Laois hurling public are being sold a pup here by someone who wants the job & the hurling board chairman assisting him,& the county board should be asking questions & finding out details of what really Derek McGrath is willing to commit to ...
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: steven seagal on August 29, 2019, 05:45:24 PM
From what I've heard, he'll be doing three sessions a week, two during the week and one at the weekend.

Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on August 29, 2019, 07:34:51 PM
I see nothing wrong with that, personally.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Ogie on August 29, 2019, 09:04:18 PM
Heís agreed to do one session a month, what happens the rest of the time ??
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 29, 2019, 11:24:11 PM
Heís agreed to do one session a month, what happens the rest of the time ??

From what I've heard, he'll be doing three sessions a week, two during the week and one at the weekend.

These are such polar opposites, clarity most definitely needed before an appointment is made.
I assumed that any link up with McGrath would have been along the lines of what Ogie has stated rather than what Mr Seagal has.
I have no information regarding which it is.
3 times a week is a fair commitment. For a man who likes a little bit of media spotlight, there are more prominent roles available!
The whole thing is unusual. Running to the media with the story is an interesting tactic, I hope it works out.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: marty34 on August 29, 2019, 11:48:37 PM
Heís agreed to do one session a month, what happens the rest of the time ??

From what I've heard, he'll be doing three sessions a week, two during the week and one at the weekend.

These are such polar opposites, clarity most definitely needed before an appointment is made.
I assumed that any link up with McGrath would have been along the lines of what Ogie has stated rather than what Mr Seagal has.
I have no information regarding which it is.
3 times a week is a fair commitment. For a man who likes a little bit of media spotlight, there are more prominent roles available!
The whole thing is unusual. Running to the media with the story is an interesting tactic, I hope it works out.

But he'll be free now, Sept until March anyway..maybe longer as to when championship starts if he's just doing championship media.

He could put a good shift in over the next 6-8 months.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 29, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
Perhaps Marty,

But those 6-8 months could be spent working with the team of his choice to put it bluntly. But he chose to spend it with Laois minors.....
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: marty34 on August 29, 2019, 11:56:44 PM
Perhaps Marty,

But those 6-8 months could be spent working with the team of his choice to put it bluntly. But he chose to spend it with Laois minors.....
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Fair enough.  Not sure what the reason behind it is, as there are loads of 'higher profile' jobs out there.  There'd be a bit of travel involved also.

Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 30, 2019, 11:37:34 AM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/30/three-laois-underage-hurling-squads-set-to-compete-in-big-tournaments-at-the-weekend/?fbclid=IwAR0A-YCCi4e7_CIe4qDYgNWsKEgZ5WWENRom41ZtpkZE2XZv6vN_BAbBDZ4
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 30, 2019, 12:25:33 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/30/three-laois-underage-hurling-squads-set-to-compete-in-big-tournaments-at-the-weekend/?fbclid=IwAR0A-YCCi4e7_CIe4qDYgNWsKEgZ5WWENRom41ZtpkZE2XZv6vN_BAbBDZ4


Those 2 u14 squads look really exciting. There's 20 top class players there.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 30, 2019, 02:06:11 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/30/three-laois-underage-hurling-squads-set-to-compete-in-big-tournaments-at-the-weekend/?fbclid=IwAR0A-YCCi4e7_CIe4qDYgNWsKEgZ5WWENRom41ZtpkZE2XZv6vN_BAbBDZ4


Those 2 u14 squads look really exciting. There's 20 top class players there.

Iíd rate the u15ís as a much stronger panel
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 30, 2019, 02:35:50 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/30/three-laois-underage-hurling-squads-set-to-compete-in-big-tournaments-at-the-weekend/?fbclid=IwAR0A-YCCi4e7_CIe4qDYgNWsKEgZ5WWENRom41ZtpkZE2XZv6vN_BAbBDZ4


Those 2 u14 squads look really exciting. There's 20 top class players there.

Iíd rate the u15ís as a much stronger panel

Would ya? ok.  I'm only basing it on what i've seen in club games although it can be hard to compare when you're talking two different age groups.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 30, 2019, 02:42:48 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/30/three-laois-underage-hurling-squads-set-to-compete-in-big-tournaments-at-the-weekend/?fbclid=IwAR0A-YCCi4e7_CIe4qDYgNWsKEgZ5WWENRom41ZtpkZE2XZv6vN_BAbBDZ4


Those 2 u14 squads look really exciting. There's 20 top class players there.

Iíd rate the u15ís as a much stronger panel

Would ya? ok.  I'm only basing it on what i've seen in club games although it can be hard to compare when you're talking two different age groups.

Iíd be basing it on having seen both groups hurling together at club u15,obviously the u15 are going to have a year on those  u14 in those games,but I think the u15ís have 3/4/5 who would make the grade on any county u15 team.

The 15ís got to the semifinal of the u14 competition last year,I hope this years crop emulate them.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on August 30, 2019, 03:00:02 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/30/three-laois-underage-hurling-squads-set-to-compete-in-big-tournaments-at-the-weekend/?fbclid=IwAR0A-YCCi4e7_CIe4qDYgNWsKEgZ5WWENRom41ZtpkZE2XZv6vN_BAbBDZ4


Those 2 u14 squads look really exciting. There's 20 top class players there.

Iíd rate the u15ís as a much stronger panel

Would ya? ok.  I'm only basing it on what i've seen in club games although it can be hard to compare when you're talking two different age groups.

Iíd be basing it on having seen both groups hurling together at club u15,obviously the u15 are going to have a year on those  u14 in those games,but I think the u15ís have 3/4/5 who would make the grade on any county u15 team.

The 15ís got to the semifinal of the u14 competition last year,I hope this years crop emulate them.

Did they get to the semi final? I thought they were knocked out in the group stage. Did they not lose their first game, beat Wexford but lose heavily to Cork in the last game.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: clonadmad on August 31, 2019, 08:19:45 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/08/30/three-laois-underage-hurling-squads-set-to-compete-in-big-tournaments-at-the-weekend/?fbclid=IwAR0A-YCCi4e7_CIe4qDYgNWsKEgZ5WWENRom41ZtpkZE2XZv6vN_BAbBDZ4


Those 2 u14 squads look really exciting. There's 20 top class players there.

Iíd rate the u15ís as a much stronger panel

Would ya? ok.  I'm only basing it on what i've seen in club games although it can be hard to compare when you're talking two different age groups.

Iíd be basing it on having seen both groups hurling together at club u15,obviously the u15 are going to have a year on those  u14 in those games,but I think the u15ís have 3/4/5 who would make the grade on any county u15 team.

The 15ís got to the semifinal of the u14 competition last year,I hope this years crop emulate them.

Did they get to the semi final? I thought they were knocked out in the group stage. Did they not lose their first game, beat Wexford but lose heavily to Cork in the last game.

Your right,they didnít that was the 2017 crop

2018,they missed a few frees in their first game which they should have won,beat wexford and then were demolished by Cork,who went on and won it as raging hot favorites.

Cork won the 2019 A and B u15 Arrabawn today also.

Cork beat laois  3-18 to 2-14 today,I donít know what stage of the competition it was at or which division.

At u14 today we only entered 1 team,they were in division 1


Dublin 4-15 v Laois 3-09
Galway 4-10 v Laois 0-8

Tipperary won both division 1 and 2 beating Offaly in div1 and Galway in div2 finals
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 01, 2019, 01:38:20 PM
Anyone in the know able to tell us exactly how each of our teams got on yesterday?

U14s
Played in A competition, well beaten by Dublin & Limerick in group stages.
Mentors?

U15s
?
Mentors?

U16s?
Did they start in the A and end up in the Shield? Were they playing Dublinís first team in the shield final?
Mentors? From a photo on Facebook it looks like Liam Dunne, Tim Fahy & Quinlan guy from Borris.
Also, 23 players in team photo. Surely no other Liam McCarthy county has such a small number in development squads at any age.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on September 02, 2019, 04:55:24 PM
Anyone in the know able to tell us exactly how each of our teams got on yesterday?

U14s
Played in A competition, well beaten by Dublin & Limerick in group stages.
Mentors?

U15s
?
Mentors?

U16s?
Did they start in the A and end up in the Shield? Were they playing Dublinís first team in the shield final?
Mentors? From a photo on Facebook it looks like Liam Dunne, Tim Fahy & Quinlan guy from Borris.
Also, 23 players in team photo. Surely no other Liam McCarthy county has such a small number in development squads at any age.


I think Tagh Doran from Camross was with the u14s but I'm not sure
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Ogie on September 09, 2019, 10:23:19 AM
As was said here, Liam Dunne using Derek McGrathís name to push out Enda Lyons and get the job for himself
Mcgrath will be doing very little coaching & it is part of a placement as he completes a course.

So if I get a financial backer can I be Laois Senior Hurling manager next year??

Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Don Draper on September 09, 2019, 10:25:03 AM
As was said here, Liam Dunne using Derek McGrathís name to push out Enda Lyons and get the job for himself
Mcgrath will be doing very little coaching & it is part of a placement as he completes a course.

So if I get a financial backer can I be Laois Senior Hurling manager next year??
What the f**k did Eddie do wrong?!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: thegreeenandgold on September 09, 2019, 10:56:31 AM
Oige are you Enda Lyons mate or more sinister are  you Enda Lyons!  Enda had an okayish year he beat who you would expect to beat but was well beaten by Wexford.  No surprise, his had a few years in the job it's time to move on.  If he is that interested let him take over a development squad and come with them in 3/4 years.  What's on offer looks far better than your run of the mill management.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on September 09, 2019, 12:08:42 PM
Both are/were involved because of family loyalties, making sure their sons are on a Laois team
Wouldn't happen in any other serious hurling county
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 09, 2019, 04:34:29 PM
What's on offer looks far better than your run of the mill management.

I think this is the question! What actually is on offer?!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Zooming around on September 09, 2019, 04:46:00 PM
Both are/were involved because of family loyalties, making sure their sons are on a Laois team
Wouldn't happen in any other serious hurling county

Cillian Dunne will be on the Laois minor team next year regardless of whether the manager is Liam Dunne, Ben Dunne or the Pecker Dunne
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Giovanni on September 09, 2019, 04:49:13 PM
I would take it that that McGrath's involvement should be basically discounted in making the decision on who should be manager.

Kudos to the Dunne team for coming up with the innovation (which I'd imagine would be very welcome) but I would think that any manager worth his salt should be able to manage to get a few "celebrity coaches" in for a few sessions over the course of the year.

It's clear that McGrath's involvement will be minimal so there's no sense to put too much weight on that in the final decision-making.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on September 09, 2019, 05:45:35 PM
Both are/were involved because of family loyalties, making sure their sons are on a Laois team
Wouldn't happen in any other serious hurling county

Cillian Dunne will be on the Laois minor team next year regardless of whether the manager is Liam Dunne, Ben Dunne or the Pecker Dunne

County board will save money on kits and squad gear with the closed shop policy. Lucky to have a squad of 24 players the way the current u/16 management are operating.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: finbar o tool on September 09, 2019, 06:05:04 PM
Lads i thought it was widely known at this stage, without Dunne there is no McGrath, his buddy is paying for it, and vice versa, without McGrath there is no Dunne. Dunne knew there was no way he was getting the minor managers job without bringing something really good to the table. Because he is not good enough. Simple as that. McGrath has stated today his involvement will be minimal, a support role. And its fantastic to have him! And fair play to Dunne for pulling that out of his sleeve, but its been stated already, here and elsewhere, whoever has the deepest pockets can now be a manager whether you are right for the job or not. The county board had nothing to do with getting McGrath on board. If they did, they would at least try to get the best people possible around him. This is unfortunately not the case here.
Having McGrath in any capacity will be brilliant and no doubt a great influence, but i think its the way this is being done thats pissing people off.
 
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 10, 2019, 08:12:19 PM
McGrath has certainly gone out of his way to set the record straight.
Has Dunne been ratified yet?
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Batman!!! on September 10, 2019, 10:11:45 PM
All a smokescreen from what I'm hearing from a member of the management. McGrath is the main man. Hopefully he can improve a very overrated team. Standard of players in the club and that are available are poor. Maybe Dunne was right to carry only 24. Clubs need to take a long hard look at what there doing and producing. My own club are a joke when it comes to hurling.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 11, 2019, 07:15:10 AM
All a smokescreen from what I'm hearing from a member of the management. McGrath is the main man. Hopefully he can improve a very overrated team. Standard of players in the club and that are available are poor. Maybe Dunne was right to carry only 24. Clubs need to take a long hard look at what there doing and producing. My own club are a joke when it comes to hurling.

Comical Ali is alive & well!
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: Ogie on September 30, 2019, 06:24:28 PM
Did anyone hear Derek McGraths interview on Midlands 103 yesterday afternoon, confirmed he will take no more than 12 or 14 coaching sessions with the Laois minors, and that is as part of a college course he is completing.
Title: Re: Leinster Minor Hurling 2019
Post by: burdizzo on September 30, 2019, 11:36:11 PM
Still better than the 'one a month' you were on about earlier.