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Title: Elections North and South
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 18, 2019, 04:09:48 PM
Elections North and South of the border. I know the ones down here not for a while. However the council elections in NI are on 2nd of May. Who will the losers/winners be?
Title: Re: May is the month of
Post by: trailer on April 18, 2019, 04:27:02 PM
I thought you were going to say May is the month were the ladies get the low tapps on. 

Was disappointed when I opened this thread tbh.
Title: Re: May is the month of
Post by: bogball88 on April 18, 2019, 04:32:48 PM
Elections North and South of the border. I know the ones down here not for a while. However the council elections in NI are on 2nd of May. Who will the losers/winners be?
Possible EU elections in the North too. Few quid to be made for those working the poll  ;)
Title: Re: May is the month of
Post by: Shamrock Shore on April 18, 2019, 04:42:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7VirCScp0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7VirCScp0)
Title: Re: May is the month of
Post by: In hiding on April 18, 2019, 07:46:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7VirCScp0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ7VirCScp0)

Wow
Title: Re: May is the month of
Post by: playwiththewind1st on April 18, 2019, 08:17:11 PM
Elections North and South of the border. I know the ones down here not for a while. However the council elections in NI are on 2nd of May. Who will the losers/winners be?
Possible EU elections in the North too. Few quid to be made for those working the poll  ;)

By the time you get taxed, it's not worth that much. You will never get rich out of it. Sitting on Industrial Tribunals is a far more lucrative gig altogether!
Title: Re: May is the month of
Post by: bogball88 on April 18, 2019, 10:04:45 PM
Elections North and South of the border. I know the ones down here not for a while. However the council elections in NI are on 2nd of May. Who will the losers/winners be?
Possible EU elections in the North too. Few quid to be made for those working the poll  ;)

By the time you get taxed, it's not worth that much. You will never get rich out of it. Sitting on Industrial Tribunals is a far more lucrative gig altogether!
How do you get in on that gig?
Title: Re: May is the month of
Post by: orangeman on April 18, 2019, 11:49:49 PM
Home grown strawberries !
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 02, 2019, 09:34:24 AM
How will today's vote go in NI? Green and orange lines or will Alliance and Independent get a fair chunk?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: north_antrim_hound on May 02, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
How will today's vote go in NI? Green and orange lines or will Alliance and Independent get a fair chunk?


I say it will be one of the lowest turn outs in years with unionist gaining a bigger gap. The unionist electorate donít mind incompetent representatives that act against their better interests. Nationalist I feel find it tougher to go and vote for a party who hasnít responded to their enhanced position of recent years.
Title: Re: May is the month of
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 02, 2019, 11:38:55 AM
Elections North and South of the border. I know the ones down here not for a while. However the council elections in NI are on 2nd of May. Who will the losers/winners be?
Possible EU elections in the North too. Few quid to be made for those working the poll  ;)

By the time you get taxed, it's not worth that much. You will never get rich out of it. Sitting on Industrial Tribunals is a far more lucrative gig altogether!

Bogball - There is an employer panel & an employee panel (this is primarily composed of union reps). One from each panel usually sits on a case, along with an Employment Judge. They normally advertise it locally under 'public appointments' & the successful applicants are then rubber stamped by a minister (that might be difficult, at present). A couple of hundred  quid per day, from 10-4, so can be a nice earner.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Estimator on May 02, 2019, 11:56:22 AM
How will today's vote go in NI? Green and orange lines or will Alliance and Independent get a fair chunk?

I say it will be one of the lowest turn outs in years with unionist gaining a bigger gap. The unionist electorate donít mind incompetent representatives that act against their better interests. Nationalist I feel find it tougher to go and vote for a party who hasnít responded to their enhanced position of recent years.

Not sure about what way the turnout will go, but I'd agree with the voting patterns of the Unionist electorate. They'll be out in force, voting for whatever shade of orange is on the ballot paper.  From my own perspective I think Nationalists, would be more opening to changing their vote to other options.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Kidder81 on May 02, 2019, 12:34:27 PM
How will today's vote go in NI? Green and orange lines or will Alliance and Independent get a fair chunk?

I say it will be one of the lowest turn outs in years with unionist gaining a bigger gap. The unionist electorate donít mind incompetent representatives that act against their better interests. Nationalist I feel find it tougher to go and vote for a party who hasnít responded to their enhanced position of recent years.

Not sure about what way the turnout will go, but I'd agree with the voting patterns of the Unionist electorate. They'll be out in force, voting for whatever shade of orange is on the ballot paper.  From my own perspective I think Nationalists, would be more opening to changing their vote to other options.

Donít see too much proof of that
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 02, 2019, 02:06:01 PM
The 11 new super councils had their boundaries agreed & signed off very carefully indeed.  Most will be controlled in perpetuity by one side, or the other. There won't be any major shocks in terms of either SF or DUP losing control of an entire Council, so there's probably a lot of indifference out there. Belfast is probably the most even split, of any of them.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 02, 2019, 02:17:15 PM
The 11 new super councils had their boundaries agreed & signed off very carefully indeed.  Most will be controlled in perpetuity by one side, or the other. There won't be any major shocks in terms of either SF or DUP losing control of an entire Council, so there's probably a lot of indifference out there. Belfast is probably the most even split, of any of them.

Yeah they were a complete SF / DUP carve up. Now they won't work with each other at all.
Just another example of these parties delivering for the people.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 02, 2019, 02:24:15 PM
From my own perspective I think Nationalists, would be more opening to changing their vote to other options.

Do Alliance get much traction in nationalist areas west and south of the Bann?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 02, 2019, 03:27:09 PM
From my own perspective I think Nationalists, would be more opening to changing their vote to other options.

Do Alliance get much traction in nationalist areas west and south of the Bann?

Alliance are largely a greater Belfast party. They wouldn't be known for their agriculture spokespeople, for instance.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 02, 2019, 03:51:02 PM
From my own perspective I think Nationalists, would be more opening to changing their vote to other options.

Do Alliance get much traction in nationalist areas west and south of the Bann?

Alliance are largely a greater Belfast party. They wouldn't be known for their agriculture spokespeople, for instance.

So gen up on lamb prices and clean up in the whest?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rois on May 02, 2019, 08:43:59 PM
Just walked past NigelDodds outside a polling station - he must be worried!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 02, 2019, 08:50:17 PM
Just walked past NigelDodds outside a polling station - he must be worried!

They were manning the stations down my way as well and didnít look too happy. Which is strange as they are usually such a jovial bunch 😡
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2019, 09:09:22 PM
Not one nationalist party on my list!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 02, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
From my own perspective I think Nationalists, would be more opening to changing their vote to other options.

Do Alliance get much traction in nationalist areas west and south of the Bann?

Not yet anyway. Middle class areas of belfast are their bread and butter. They have never really broken into the culchie vote.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 02, 2019, 09:34:53 PM
Just walked past NigelDodds outside a polling station - he must be worried!

He is worried in case the European elections aren't going to be held & he has to listen to Diane all week long.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 02, 2019, 09:36:19 PM
The 11 new super councils had their boundaries agreed & signed off very carefully indeed.  Most will be controlled in perpetuity by one side, or the other. There won't be any major shocks in terms of either SF or DUP losing control of an entire Council, so there's probably a lot of indifference out there. Belfast is probably the most even split, of any of them.

Yeah they were a complete SF / DUP carve up. Now they won't work with each other at all.
Just another example of these parties delivering for the people.

Isn't it the election commission, an independent body, which determines the make-up of councils???
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 02, 2019, 10:16:41 PM
Turnout in working class unionist areas seems to be very very low. Some areas as low as 30% at 9pm.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 02, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
Turnout in working class unionist areas seems to be very very low. Some areas as low as 30% at 9pm.

Will overall turnout reach 50%?

The ones that complain about politicans are usually the ones who can't get off the couch to vote.

So fair play to all those who stand as candidates - they have the courage to put their name forward and try to make their area a better place!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2019, 11:19:26 PM
Turnout in working class unionist areas seems to be very very low. Some areas as low as 30% at 9pm.

Will overall turnout reach 50%?

The ones that complain about politicans are usually the ones who can't get off the couch to vote.

So fair play to all those who stand as candidates - they have the courage to put their name forward and try to make their area a better place!

So is your area a better place for the candidates that are in place? Itís a racket
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 02, 2019, 11:37:07 PM
Turnout in working class unionist areas seems to be very very low. Some areas as low as 30% at 9pm.

Will overall turnout reach 50%?

The ones that complain about politicans are usually the ones who can't get off the couch to vote.

So fair play to all those who stand as candidates - they have the courage to put their name forward and try to make their area a better place!

So is your area a better place for the candidates that are in place? Itís a racket

All I'm saying is people do so much complaining about politicans that they don't even vote.

Others then complain about this party and that party that they should stand themselves as independents or join a party.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2019, 11:45:48 PM
Independents have generally come from a major party and done well based on their previous, there has only been a few that have stood out, formerly the Doctor from Fermanagh, where is he now?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: ziggysego on May 03, 2019, 12:43:45 AM
72% turnout in Greencastle
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: giveherlong on May 03, 2019, 07:36:06 AM
72% turnout in Greencastle

How will the local independent candidate do?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 03, 2019, 07:39:02 AM
If the middle parties can't make hay today they never will.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: ziggysego on May 03, 2019, 09:05:03 AM
72% turnout in Greencastle

How will the local independent candidate do?

Hopeful
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: giveherlong on May 03, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
Roughly how many first preference votes would he need?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Estimator on May 03, 2019, 09:55:50 AM
Looking at the results coming in from England - it looks like the Cons are being hammered because they haven't delivered Brexit and Labour are being hit because they haven't come out in favour of a 2nd Referendum. Lib Dems, Greens, Independents etc are making huge gains.
Don't think results like that will be repeated over here.

Looking at the 2014 results from Mid-Ulster:
Sinn Fein 18
Dup 8
UUP 7
SDLP 6
Independent 1

It'll probably be roughly the same, though I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two more Independents.

In 2014 the Moyola DEA elected:
Sinn Fein 3 (from 3 Candidates)
DUP 1 (from 1 Candidate)
UUP 1 (from 1 Candidate)

This year the above parties have the same amount of candidates standing as well. Plus 1 SDLP, 1 Alliance, 1 Workers Party.
5 seats available. The quota in 2014 was 1,235 with a turnout of 62%.

Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 03, 2019, 10:47:03 AM
All I'm saying is people do so much complaining about politicans that they don't even vote.

Its a complete waste of time.

If the job of any minister were to be done via CV and interview process - not one of the politicians who end up being ministers would get by the first CV vetting stage.

Representative democracy where folks are "represented" by a bunch of history & politics students is insane. Its even worse when the civil service are so clearly incompetent that they **need** subject matter experts above them to hold their feet to the fire.

What do we have? Clueless civil service, even worse politicians and SPADS. :rolleyes:



And you wonder why people are disillusioned? If a political party doesn't have any member suitably qualified and experienced for the ministry roles in government - then they should be allowed to employ someone who is - but they should not be allowed to appoint any member who doesn't have a f**king clue and cannot even do a basic sniff test of what is being proposed from/going on within their ministry.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 03, 2019, 12:02:23 PM
In Fermanagh & Omagh, word is that Barry McElduff has topped the poll in Omagh Town but the count for the area won't begin until tomorrow morning.
Interestingly, turnout for the council elections in FODC seems to be slightly up from that in 2014.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: naka on May 03, 2019, 12:50:33 PM
Chatting to a fair few who didnít vote sf
Brexit/ stormont( no storming impacting in schools etc) and complacency for their votes
The main reason.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: GetOverTheBar on May 03, 2019, 12:51:29 PM
Chatting to a fair few who didnít vote sf
Brexit/ stormont( no storming impacting in schools etc) and complacency for their votes
The main reason.

I didn't vote SF. Normally might well have. Independent Republican #1 and Alliance #2.

Main reasons above.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Snapchap on May 03, 2019, 01:16:52 PM
Chatting to a fair few who didnít vote sf
Brexit/ stormont( no storming impacting in schools etc) and complacency for their votes
The main reason.

I didn't vote SF. Normally might well have. Independent Republican #1 and Alliance #2.

Main reasons above.

Not buying this line from the media that SF are coming under pressure from their base to get back to Stormont. Pulling the pin from Stormont propelled them to their two most successful elections since partition and that's not exactly ancient history.

But for those who would normally have voted SF but decided not to this time because they aren't back in Stormont - is the memory seriously that short that it has already been forgotten who it was that reneged at the last second on a deal to get back to the assembly? As far as I'm concerned, not voting for SF for that reason is naively punishing SF for the DUP's intransigence.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 03, 2019, 01:37:28 PM
SF been given a bloody nose in the torrent DEA (coalisland, donaghmore, ardboe etc.
Independent republican Dan Kerr elected on the first count with a whopping 1500 votes, probably at the expense of the 4th SF seat now.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 03, 2019, 02:07:21 PM
Chatting to a fair few who didnít vote sf
Brexit/ stormont( no storming impacting in schools etc) and complacency for their votes
The main reason.

Understandable, but not terribly good reasons as councillors have no effective power concerning Brexit and Stormont. Complacency for votes? A more sensible reason.

Turnouts in FODC...

* Erne East (Lisnaskea, Newtownbutler, Roslea, Brookeboro) 71.62% (6 seats)
* Erne West (Belcoo, Garrison, Derrygonnelly, Kinawley) 69.03% (5)
* Mid-Tyrone (Beragh, Gortin, Sixmilecross, Carrickmore) 65.32% (6)
* Erne North (Irvinestown, Ballinamallard, Kesh, Belleek, Tempo) 63.2% (5)
* West Tyrone (Fintona, Dromore, Drumquin, Trillick) 62.81% (6)
* Enniskillen (inc. Lisbellaw) 56.04% (6)
* Omagh (inc. Killyclogher) 50.73% (6)

Overall - 62.41%

Erne East being done first, DUP, UUP & Independent (John McCloskey) reportedly elected. Talk that Sinn Fein might lose a seat here.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Estimator on May 03, 2019, 02:15:49 PM
Looking at the 2014 results from Mid-Ulster:
Sinn Fein 18
Dup 8
UUP 7
SDLP 6
Independent 1
It'll probably be roughly the same, though I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two more Independents.

With 15 seats counted the current scoreline is:

SF: 5
DUP: 5
SDLP: 3
INP: 2
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: naka on May 03, 2019, 02:32:11 PM


But for those who would normally have voted SF but decided not to this time because they aren't back in Stormont - is the memory seriously that short that it has already been forgotten who it was that reneged at the last second on a deal to get back to the assembly? As far as I'm concerned, not voting for SF for that reason is naively punishing SF for the DUP's intransigence.
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think its wrong to thin otherwise
council elections first chance possible to mark sf card
1 Brexit wtf are sf doing
2 no Stormont, issues with education, health etc

united Ireland, equality etc are important but jeez its a fking mess out there re jobs pressures on public services etc.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Walter Cronc on May 03, 2019, 02:50:09 PM
Looking at the 2014 results from Mid-Ulster:
Sinn Fein 18
Dup 8
UUP 7
SDLP 6
Independent 1
It'll probably be roughly the same, though I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two more Independents.


With 15 seats counted the current scoreline is:

SF: 5
DUP: 5
SDLP: 3
INP: 2

Where you getting these Estimator?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: thewobbler on May 03, 2019, 02:52:50 PM
Fair play to the English population, who are showing their incompetent politicians the door.

Meanwhile in NI.....


we deserve a shit economy folks
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Estimator on May 03, 2019, 02:55:03 PM
Looking at the 2014 results from Mid-Ulster:
Sinn Fein 18
Dup 8
UUP 7
SDLP 6
Independent 1
It'll probably be roughly the same, though I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two more Independents.


With 15 seats counted the current scoreline is:

SF: 5
DUP: 5
SDLP: 3
INP: 2

Where you getting these Estimator?

Found on Twitter using hashtag below:
#MidUlsterElection
Also the Mid Ulster Council and various media outlets are live tweeting the count.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 03, 2019, 03:43:25 PM
I know that election counts in Omagh have never been known for being swift, but they're really taking the piss today!
Further FODC updates: In Omagh it looks like both Chris Smyth (UUP) & Sorcha McAnespy (Ind/FF) are in trouble keeping their seats. Stephen Donnelly (AP) appears to polled well, but wherever it's enough to take a seat in the town will only be known tomorrow. Similarly Emmet McAleer (Ind) is thought to have done well in Mid-Tyrone, standing mainly on the issue concerning gold mining in the Sperrins, while in West Tyrone, Frankie Donnelly (SF) is thought to be in trouble keeping his seat. His main threat? His wife Anne-Marie (SF)!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Aaron Boone on May 03, 2019, 04:00:09 PM
Omagh counts would be exact opposite of Sunderlandís race to declare first.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: screenexile on May 03, 2019, 04:21:36 PM
Jesus the Tory's have taken some kicking here!!!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: lurganblue on May 03, 2019, 04:26:32 PM
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Dire Ear on May 03, 2019, 04:30:11 PM
FERMANAGH AND OMAGH: Mid Tyrone DEA

Eligible electorate - 12, 556
Total votes polled - 8, 202
% turnout - 65.32%
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 03, 2019, 04:47:59 PM
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.

Sure if you have drunken driving, marital infidentity,  corruption as core values, you may as well have 1 gay & the odd sports massage. But - keep it real & save Ulster from Rome rule & sodomy.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: weareros on May 03, 2019, 04:53:42 PM
Jesus the Tory's have taken some kicking here!!!

The question is how they interpret that.
Voters angry because they did not deliver Brexit or Voters abandoning them in favour of remaining parties (LibDems).
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 03, 2019, 05:03:54 PM
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.

Sure if you have drunken driving, marital infidentity,  corruption as core values, you may as well have 1 gay & the odd sports massage. But - keep it real & save Ulster from Rome rule & sodomy.
You only vote for the DUP to "secure the Union", stick it to themmuns and the hope of a dodgy grant/slush fund. There is very little turns them off.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: screenexile on May 03, 2019, 05:16:19 PM
Jesus the Tory's have taken some kicking here!!!

The question is how they interpret that.
Voters angry because they did not deliver Brexit or Voters abandoning them in favour of remaining parties (LibDems).

Itís both unfortunately!!!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 03, 2019, 05:44:03 PM
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.

I wonder will she get a celebration cake from Ashers
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Kidder81 on May 03, 2019, 05:59:38 PM
She looks like a lesbian too
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 03, 2019, 06:02:29 PM
What do they look like?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 03, 2019, 06:08:53 PM
What do they look like?

A bit like Arlene, only with spikier hair.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 03, 2019, 07:06:29 PM
Latest election news:
"The DUP's first openly Catholic candidate has been well done, at the stake"
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 03, 2019, 07:26:32 PM
Fergal Lennon of Aontķ eliminated on the first count in the ABC council area. Looks like mandatory mass attendance and anti-abortion hardline attitudes aren't a winning formula.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: imtommygunn on May 03, 2019, 09:05:26 PM
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.

Why would you represent a party when most of the leadership of the party think you are an abomination?? Makes no sense whatsoever. To be honest on either side.

Torres getting tanked in the elections is great news. Also from what I read UKIP down so two sets of positive news there. I was worried UKIP would be on the up. Not sure on the demographic of the independents mind who may be worse for all I know...
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Eamonnca1 on May 03, 2019, 09:06:42 PM
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.

Why would you represent a party when most of the leadership of the party think you are an abomination?? Makes no sense whatsoever. To be honest on either side.


Stockholm Syndrome? Or maybe she wants to try and fix the party from within.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 03, 2019, 09:09:24 PM
From my own perspective I think Nationalists, would be more opening to changing their vote to other options.

Do Alliance get much traction in nationalist areas west and south of the Bann?

Not yet anyway. Middle class areas of belfast are their bread and butter. They have never really broken into the culchie vote.

Maybe the culchies might think differently in future elections
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 03, 2019, 09:11:12 PM
Turnout in working class unionist areas seems to be very very low. Some areas as low as 30% at 9pm.

Will overall turnout reach 50%?

The ones that complain about politicans are usually the ones who can't get off the couch to vote.

So fair play to all those who stand as candidates - they have the courage to put their name forward and try to make their area a better place!

So is your area a better place for the candidates that are in place? Itís a racket

All I'm saying is people do so much complaining about politicans that they don't even vote.

Others then complain about this party and that party that they should stand themselves as independents or join a party.

Or vote for good candidates running for parties that try to make this place work
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 03, 2019, 09:15:28 PM
Labour are being hit because they haven't come out in favour of a second  referendum

Where Labour not hit for not the opposite reason. Looking at the districts where their vote fell it was hardly to do with not backing a second referendum
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 03, 2019, 09:18:00 PM

"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

See Jim Wells has been stressing his impeccably liberal credentials over this one lol.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 03, 2019, 09:18:50 PM
Chatting to a fair few who didnít vote sf
Brexit/ stormont( no storming impacting in schools etc) and complacency for their votes
The main reason.

I didn't vote SF. Normally might well have. Independent Republican #1 and Alliance #2.

Main reasons above.

Not buying this line from the media that SF are coming under pressure from their base to get back to Stormont. Pulling the pin from Stormont propelled them to their two most successful elections since partition and that's not exactly ancient history.

But for those who would normally have voted SF but decided not to this time because they aren't back in Stormont - is the memory seriously that short that it has already been forgotten who it was that reneged at the last second on a deal to get back to the assembly? As far as I'm concerned, not voting for SF for that reason is naively punishing SF for the DUP's intransigence.

People looking more at the consequences of Stormont not sitting rather than the reason for its collapse.

Remember SF and DUP donít need to change or compromise. We just need to vote for different parties
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 03, 2019, 09:20:45 PM
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.

The key word is ďopenlyĒ
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on May 03, 2019, 09:33:27 PM
Labour are being hit because they haven't come out in favour of a second  referendum

Where Labour not hit for not the opposite reason. Looking at the districts where their vote fell it was hardly to do with not backing a second referendum

In this day and age - with all the communication and processing capabilities - ye'd think we can do better than guessing what the majority wants based on what is or isn't on a manifesto.

But yay for representative democracy.  ::)
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 03, 2019, 09:41:56 PM
"The DUP's first openly-gay candidate Alison Bennington has polled well in Antrim and Newtownabbey"

WTF.

The key word is ďopenlyĒ

Name names!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Sportacus on May 03, 2019, 09:51:37 PM
This is turning into a very interesting set of results.  Alliance already have enough gains to illustrate that a growing number of people wonít settle for paralysis.  They might even break through in Lurgan!  In fact there are several mini earthquakes in ABC.  UUP might be the big loser.  DUP have their base and have hung in well despite all their nastiness.  SF tried to bag some extra seats and it remains to be seen if it worked overall when the final votes are counted, but tonight they must be secretly disappointed because they havenít really had a big moment today.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 03, 2019, 10:10:38 PM
This is turning into a very interesting set of results.  Alliance already have enough gains to illustrate that a growing number of people wonít settle for paralysis.  They might even break through in Lurgan!  In fact there are several mini earthquakes in ABC.  UUP might be the big loser.  DUP have their base and have hung in well despite all their nastiness.  SF tried to bag some extra seats and it remains to be seen if it worked overall when the final votes are counted, but tonight they must be secretly disappointed because they havenít really had a big moment today.
Seems the SDLP took one off the UUP which is a bit of a coup round Portydown.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: general_lee on May 03, 2019, 10:56:14 PM
DUP candidate left count centre crying because he didnít get re-elected. Hahaha
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 04, 2019, 08:33:32 AM
DUP candidate left count centre crying because he didnít get re-elected. Hahaha

Which one??
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 04, 2019, 08:40:47 AM
Fergal Lennon of Aontķ eliminated on the first count in the ABC council area. Looks like mandatory mass attendance and anti-abortion hardline attitudes aren't a winning formula.

They've done ok, took a seat off SF in Derry on day 1, probably be one or two more today. Its a decent place to be starting from for next time.
Where in their literature does it mention mandatory mass attendance?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Insane Bolt on May 04, 2019, 08:59:50 AM
Unionists will have to change their Ďno Pope hereí tune in ABC😂
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 04, 2019, 09:03:19 AM
Unionism headed for under 50% of council seats across the wee 6 for the first time in its history. Alliance are grabbing seats from them left right and centre. Another watershed election.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: general_lee on May 04, 2019, 09:08:16 AM
DUP candidate left count centre crying because he didnít get re-elected. Hahaha

Which one??
https://www.lurganmail.co.uk/news/politics/dup-man-who-made-offensive-mong-remarks-fails-to-get-re-elected-to-abc-council-1-8915326/amp
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 04, 2019, 10:21:11 AM
Every party will take positives from council elections. SF and DUP will point to gains while at the same time suffering losses in certain areas.

SDLP have got gains, mixed with losses so Eastwood will be happy.  Something to build on especially in Nth. Belfast and Derry area.  They want the Westminister seat back and this election will boost them.

Alliance, who are transfer friendly, are getting huge numbers of first preferences which enable them to be in the running for final seats.  Showing well West of the Bann which is crucial for their growth.  Similar to their 'sister' party across the water - big performance.  The question is: Is it a protest vote? Time will tell.

Independents are going well - especially in locals.  Different type of election.  All politics are local and all that.  Kerr got a huge vote in Torrent.  Independents keep the major parties honest.

Aontķ: First time out.  Be happy to get a seat in Derry. Mc Closkey has run a few times, under different guises and is a good candidate. Well respected in Shantallow area.  In other areas, they'll be very disappointed.  Be interesting to see how Brolly does in Limavady area.  Problem for Aontķ is people maybe think they are some sort of dissident outfit with the name etc.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: stiffler on May 04, 2019, 10:52:08 AM
ABC council finished :

DUP - down 2
UUP - down 2
UKIP - down 1

SF - up 2
Alliance - up 3

Big loss for unionism in what was previously considered a stronghold.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: tintin25 on May 04, 2019, 11:48:06 AM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: giveherlong on May 04, 2019, 01:09:47 PM
72% turnout in Greencastle

How will the local independent candidate do?

Hopeful

897 fist preference votes for McAleer
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Post by: Kidder81 on May 04, 2019, 01:46:24 PM
72% turnout in Greencastle

How will the local independent candidate do?

Hopeful

897 fist preference votes for McAleer

Paul Berry?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 04, 2019, 01:53:25 PM
72% turnout in Greencastle

How will the local independent candidate do?

Hopeful

897 fist preference votes for McAleer

He should be transfer friendly.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 04, 2019, 02:01:25 PM
ABC council finished :

DUP - down 2
UUP - down 2
UKIP - down 1

SF - up 2
Alliance - up 3

Big loss for unionism in what was previously considered a stronghold.

Big change. If there is anything like that next time, the unionists would not have a majority and it would be like Belfast.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: BennyCake on May 04, 2019, 02:58:52 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

Aye because theyíre sick of the SF bullshitters
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: tintin25 on May 04, 2019, 03:11:55 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

Aye because theyíre sick of the SF bullshitters

Indeed!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 04, 2019, 03:55:08 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 04, 2019, 04:03:31 PM
Final First Preference Votes #LE19 in Northern Ireland
DUP 24.1%
SF 23.2%
UUP 14.1%
SDLP 12%
APNI 11.5%
TUV 2.2%
GRN 2.1%
PBPA 1.4%
AONT 1.1%
PUP 0.8%
UKIP 0.4%
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 04, 2019, 04:49:54 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 04, 2019, 05:05:46 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 04, 2019, 06:23:11 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.

Without Jim Nicholson this time and the UUP losses, I don't think the electorate will be enticed to vote the UUP.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 04, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
0.9% between the 'big two'. That 1.1% Aontķ got is the difference.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 04, 2019, 09:07:48 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.

Without Jim Nicholson this time and the UUP losses, I don't think the electorate will be enticed to vote the UUP.

in the local elections, the UU got more than Alliance or SDLP
A few might choose to vote Alliance for the Euro election, but Alliance are not prominent in agricultural matters.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 04, 2019, 10:17:15 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.

+1
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: LooseCannon on May 04, 2019, 10:35:28 PM
0.9% between the 'big two'. That 1.1% Aontķ got is the difference.
A guy on Twitter had a look at it. They took more votes from the SDLP than the shinners.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 04, 2019, 11:15:26 PM
The final overall results:


Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 04, 2019, 11:22:50 PM
In a strange way, every party will be happy!!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 04, 2019, 11:25:12 PM
Doubt if Ulster Unionists will be...significant losses & all but wiped out in Belfast. Glad to see Jim Allister doing badly too.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
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Post by: Insane Bolt on May 05, 2019, 07:22:40 AM
No real change overall.....NI politics still green or orange.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 07:49:46 AM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

Itís quite simple. If SF and DUP gobble up a seat who stands the best chance of pulling together remain voters from a unionist and nationalist background? Who can pull together the voters who couldnít stomach voting SF or DUP.  Jane Morrice could throw a spanner in the works but the Alliance momentum should see that off.

Moderate nationalists at least have the reassurance that moderate unionists are already looking towards Alliance and Danny Kennedy is hardly going to reverse that trend
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 07:55:36 AM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.

Without Jim Nicholson this time and the UUP losses, I don't think the electorate will be enticed to vote the UUP.

in the local elections, the UU got more than Alliance or SDLP
A few might choose to vote Alliance for the Euro election, but Alliance are not prominent in agricultural matters.

It isnít all about Agriculture. What does Bomber Anderson know about farming?

More to the point why would anyone vote for Anderson? Can you honestly point to 1 one way in which Anderson could articulate or has articulated the views of the people of NI better than say Naomi Long?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 07:59:07 AM
Doubt if Ulster Unionists will be...significant losses & all but wiped out in Belfast. Glad to see Jim Allister doing badly too.

Neither of those 2 could be happy. Mind you TUV got an 18 year old councillor elected. The fact that an 18 year old would even consider voting for Jimboís insanity collective is bad enough but to stand and win shows how much further we have to go
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 08:03:24 AM



D-
Must do better
Could do better
Holding back and setting a poor example to the rest of the class
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
No real change overall.....NI politics still green or orange.

But a wee bit less so and the direction of travel is in the right direction.

UUP teetering. Alliance the obvious destination for unionists with a pro remain, generally progressive outlook and or tired of the incompetence and inertia of DUP.

Sdlp giving one last stand but ultimately going to get squeezed between the SF machine and the catholic taliban. When that happens Alliance is the natural destination.

If NI can build a powerful alternative to SF/DUP ineptitude then those 2 parties can be held to account.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 05, 2019, 08:21:26 AM
On the basis of those results, should SF drop their ongoing call for a border poll?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 05, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
In a strange way, every party will be happy!!

Very few happy.

Alliance, Greens, PBP and some independents will be happy.

DUP will be concerned about Alliance gains at their expense. Liberal wing particularly so and blaming Wells and friends. Internal strife on how to move forward to be only unionist party.

TUV Largely decimated with a couple of pockets of resistance left. Only Allister in EU election to keep them on life support.

So many sitting councillors were dumped out either by electorate or party vote management. Leaves quite a few disgruntled party members and friends to cause issues in the bigger parties.

SF will spin the status quo as a win but failed to take out the irritant of PBP who bit back. Seriously lost Derry where future assembly and general elections will be a worry  and made no gains in BCC. Had predictions of levelling with DUP but standing still was never in the plan.

UUP took a serious hammering. Liberal unionists leaked away as Swann moved to DUP lite and back in time to his heroes in Chichester-Clarke and Faulkner. Great to see Hatch, McGimpsey, etc being thrown out. Like DUP expect serious internal strife, not knowing which way to go with both DUP and Alliance eating in to traditional electorate.

SDLP already knew the losses to expect where defections had occurred since 2014. Dealt with well in BCC but not well in other areas. Serious failure in F&O.  Derry being hauled back from SF will be a plus but defections by electorate to Alliance now a battle on a second front a major worry. FF factor seems not to have been a major problem. EU election will be true examination with the Alliance momentum and Long factor a worry for Eastwood.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 05, 2019, 09:11:52 AM
No real change overall.....NI politics still green or orange.

But a wee bit less so and the direction of travel is in the right direction.

UUP teetering. Alliance the obvious destination for unionists with a pro remain, generally progressive outlook and or tired of the incompetence and inertia of DUP.

Sdlp giving one last stand but ultimately going to get squeezed between the SF machine and the catholic taliban. When that happens Alliance is the natural destination.

If NI can build a powerful alternative to SF/DUP ineptitude then those 2 parties can be held to account.

The true test for emerging middle will be whether they can:

1. Bring out the lost voters who left SDLP and UUP because of their failure to challenge SF and DUP in being winners but now can see a glimmer of hope for change.

2. Present themselves as a force working together but with own identities. Transfers are vital between like minded groupings.

3. Learn from SF and DUP to persuade moderates to lend them their votes to halt the stagnation caused by DUP and SF.

Can the Greens tap into momentum for environmental change and bring the younger voters to themselves not just in the East?

They will need another election in the next year or so to maintain momentum. Will possibly get it with a general election always a possibility.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 05, 2019, 10:12:43 AM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.

Without Jim Nicholson this time and the UUP losses, I don't think the electorate will be enticed to vote the UUP.

in the local elections, the UU got more than Alliance or SDLP
A few might choose to vote Alliance for the Euro election, but Alliance are not prominent in agricultural matters.

It isnít all about Agriculture. What does Bomber Anderson know about farming?

More to the point why would anyone vote for Anderson? Can you honestly point to 1 one way in which Anderson could articulate or has articulated the views of the people of NI better than say Naomi Long?

She has been excellent in Europe as a rep.  Articulated well that the north voted to stay in the EU.  You need to take the blinkers off - she has been the only one stating the case to stay in the EU. 
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 11:44:44 AM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.

Without Jim Nicholson this time and the UUP losses, I don't think the electorate will be enticed to vote the UUP.

in the local elections, the UU got more than Alliance or SDLP
A few might choose to vote Alliance for the Euro election, but Alliance are not prominent in agricultural matters.

It isnít all about Agriculture. What does Bomber Anderson know about farming?

More to the point why would anyone vote for Anderson? Can you honestly point to 1 one way in which Anderson could articulate or has articulated the views of the people of NI better than say Naomi Long?

She has been excellent in Europe as a rep.  Articulated well that the north voted to stay in the EU.  You need to take the blinkers off - she has been the only one stating the case to stay in the EU.

How are you defining excellence there?

Is there something in her voting record, speeches to the parliament or influence that she is bringing to bear that you can point to? Or is it just your own blinkered vision?

She is only attempting to pitch the remain side because the other 2 are leavers (you must venerate Sylvia Hermon) but the question is how well does she do it and influence does she have?

You cannot credibly argue that she has the competence or articulacy of Long?? That would be the definition of blinkered
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 11:48:33 AM
No real change overall.....NI politics still green or orange.

But a wee bit less so and the direction of travel is in the right direction.

UUP teetering. Alliance the obvious destination for unionists with a pro remain, generally progressive outlook and or tired of the incompetence and inertia of DUP.

Sdlp giving one last stand but ultimately going to get squeezed between the SF machine and the catholic taliban. When that happens Alliance is the natural destination.

If NI can build a powerful alternative to SF/DUP ineptitude then those 2 parties can be held to account.

The true test for emerging middle will be whether they can:

1. Bring out the lost voters who left SDLP and UUP because of their failure to challenge SF and DUP in being winners but now can see a glimmer of hope for change.

2. Present themselves as a force working together but with own identities. Transfers are vital between like minded groupings.

3. Learn from SF and DUP to persuade moderates to lend them their votes to halt the stagnation caused by DUP and SF.

Can the Greens tap into momentum for environmental change and bring the younger voters to themselves not just in the East?

They will need another election in the next year or so to maintain momentum. Will possibly get it with a general election always a possibility.

The European elections (if they go ahead) will be another test. Unless you are a hardcore leaver it would be brainless to not vote Alliance No1
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 05, 2019, 11:50:30 AM
Why so?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 05, 2019, 12:14:25 PM
No real change overall.....NI politics still green or orange.

But a wee bit less so and the direction of travel is in the right direction.

UUP teetering. Alliance the obvious destination for unionists with a pro remain, generally progressive outlook and or tired of the incompetence and inertia of DUP.

Sdlp giving one last stand but ultimately going to get squeezed between the SF machine and the catholic taliban. When that happens Alliance is the natural destination.

If NI can build a powerful alternative to SF/DUP ineptitude then those 2 parties can be held to account.

The true test for emerging middle will be whether they can:

1. Bring out the lost voters who left SDLP and UUP because of their failure to challenge SF and DUP in being winners but now can see a glimmer of hope for change.

2. Present themselves as a force working together but with own identities. Transfers are vital between like minded groupings.

3. Learn from SF and DUP to persuade moderates to lend them their votes to halt the stagnation caused by DUP and SF.

Can the Greens tap into momentum for environmental change and bring the younger voters to themselves not just in the East?

They will need another election in the next year or so to maintain momentum. Will possibly get it with a general election always a possibility.

The European elections (if they go ahead) will be another test. Unless you are a hardcore leaver it would be brainless to not vote Alliance No1

+1
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 12:26:40 PM
Why so?

Very simple. Look at the candidates. Judge them on ability. If you think Danny Kennedy represents remain or that Eastwood or Anderson is more capable than Long then you are engaged in an act of self delusion
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 05, 2019, 12:43:51 PM
Why so?

Very simple. Look at the candidates. Judge them on ability. If you think Danny Kennedy represents remain or that Eastwood or Anderson is more capable than Long then you are engaged in an act of self delusion

Jeez are you in the Alliance or something? I like Long but she only looks good because most of the rest are so bad. Eastwood is as good and as articulate and Anderson believe it or not is quite well respected in  many other countries maybe when the sound is off and the message is dubbed in another language she is actually ok😀
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 05, 2019, 03:25:52 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.

Without Jim Nicholson this time and the UUP losses, I don't think the electorate will be enticed to vote the UUP.

in the local elections, the UU got more than Alliance or SDLP
A few might choose to vote Alliance for the Euro election, but Alliance are not prominent in agricultural matters.

It isnít all about Agriculture. What does Bomber Anderson know about farming?

More to the point why would anyone vote for Anderson? Can you honestly point to 1 one way in which Anderson could articulate or has articulated the views of the people of NI better than say Naomi Long?

She has been excellent in Europe as a rep.  Articulated well that the north voted to stay in the EU.  You need to take the blinkers off - she has been the only one stating the case to stay in the EU.

How are you defining excellence there?

Is there something in her voting record, speeches to the parliament or influence that she is bringing to bear that you can point to? Or is it just your own blinkered vision?

She is only attempting to pitch the remain side because the other 2 are leavers (you must venerate Sylvia Hermon) but the question is how well does she do it and influence does she have?

You cannot credibly argue that she has the competence or articulacy of Long?? That would be the definition of blinkered

Long's not there so she's no good watching on from sideline - no good saying she'd be more articulate, she'd be more this or that.

Hurlers on the ditch are not much use in Europe.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 05, 2019, 03:32:22 PM
Why so?

Very simple. Look at the candidates. Judge them on ability. If you think Danny Kennedy represents remain or that Eastwood or Anderson is more capable than Long then you are engaged in an act of self delusion

You're getting carried away with Alliance's results yesterday a chara.  Settle!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Fionntamhnach on May 05, 2019, 05:01:29 PM
SDLP already knew the losses to expect where defections had occurred since 2014. Dealt with well in BCC but not well in other areas. Serious failure in F&O.  Derry being hauled back from SF will be a plus but defections by electorate to Alliance now a battle on a second front a major worry. FF factor seems not to have been a major problem. EU election will be true examination with the Alliance momentum and Long factor a worry for Eastwood.

The SDLP performance in the old Omagh DC area was a disaster. Back in 2014 they had four elected in the area out of eight in total for FODC. Since then however three of them left the party over various issues. This time they stood two candidates in Omagh town, one in Mid-Tyrone and one in West Tyrone and they only got one elected, Mary Garrity retaining her seat in West Tyrone. Rosemary Shields was the SDLP rep in Mid-Tyrone, but left several months ago to join Aontu fighting to retain her seat on their ticket but lost out, while the sole SDLP candidate (Bernard McGrath) also failed to keep party representation there.

Omagh town having no longer any SDLP councillors is a calamity for them. They had two back in 2014, Josephine Deehan and Joanne Donnelly, but both left the party not long after. Deehan has a good personal vote that took her over the line to retain her seat as an independent this time, but Donnelly lost hers. The SDLP fielded two fairly young & rather unknown candidates with neither succeeding. It's a major downfall for a party whom only one to two generations ago could have counted Omagh as a stronghold, but the problems locally in the party have been running for decades now with numerous elected party reps leaving the party whilst in office. Had they just ran one candidate in the town this time they might have had an outside chance of sneaking in, but it would not have surprised me if ego was again a problem in doing this. It's one place where Colum Eastwood needs to look at getting sorted sooner rather than later otherwise his party is going to become an irrelevance in what is the second largest population centre west of the Bann.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 05:02:12 PM
Glad to see Alliance do well. I reckon a sizeable number of Catholics are starting to vote for them too.

It's been known for quite some time more Catholics than protestants vote alliance about 5 years ago a poll had it at 4 out of every 7

The test will be in the Euro elections in a few weeks - do they give their first preference to SDLP or Alliance?

There is a case for tactical voting for Alliance. If the SDLP are eliminated first, then Alliance would get transfers to pass the UU. If Alliance are eliminated first perhaps a third of the transfers might go to the UU and the UU might make it.

Two nationalist candidates getting elected would not really represent things; one unionist, one Alliance and one nationalist would be a fair representation of things.

Without Jim Nicholson this time and the UUP losses, I don't think the electorate will be enticed to vote the UUP.

in the local elections, the UU got more than Alliance or SDLP
A few might choose to vote Alliance for the Euro election, but Alliance are not prominent in agricultural matters.

It isnít all about Agriculture. What does Bomber Anderson know about farming?

More to the point why would anyone vote for Anderson? Can you honestly point to 1 one way in which Anderson could articulate or has articulated the views of the people of NI better than say Naomi Long?

She has been excellent in Europe as a rep.  Articulated well that the north voted to stay in the EU.  You need to take the blinkers off - she has been the only one stating the case to stay in the EU.

How are you defining excellence there?

Is there something in her voting record, speeches to the parliament or influence that she is bringing to bear that you can point to? Or is it just your own blinkered vision?

She is only attempting to pitch the remain side because the other 2 are leavers (you must venerate Sylvia Hermon) but the question is how well does she do it and influence does she have?

You cannot credibly argue that she has the competence or articulacy of Long?? That would be the definition of blinkered

Long's not there so she's no good watching on from sideline - no good saying she'd be more articulate, she'd be more this or that.

Hurlers on the ditch are not much use in Europe.

I assume you yourself worked out the complete stupidity of that line of argument and only posted it as a misguided attempt at humour
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 05:07:14 PM
Why so?

Very simple. Look at the candidates. Judge them on ability. If you think Danny Kennedy represents remain or that Eastwood or Anderson is more capable than Long then you are engaged in an act of self delusion

Jeez are you in the Alliance or something? I like Long but she only looks good because most of the rest are so bad. Eastwood is as good and as articulate and Anderson believe it or not is quite well respected in  many other countries maybe when the sound is off and the message is dubbed in another language she is actually ok😀

Voting for one candidate because they look better than the others due to the fact that they are in fact better than the others seems logical enough

What evidence is there that Anderson is respected? My understanding is that the bloc she is attached to donít use her for any key responsibilities. Even on the Irish border issue they give her no role and she has to wait her slot in the speaking rounds
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 05:10:11 PM
Why so?

Very simple. Look at the candidates. Judge them on ability. If you think Danny Kennedy represents remain or that Eastwood or Anderson is more capable than Long then you are engaged in an act of self delusion

You're getting carried away with Alliance's results yesterday a chara.  Settle!

Not getting carried away. There is a long way to go.

But ther is a bit of momentum and a vastly superior candidate. Anderson and Dodds might appear shoe ins but they are exceptionally poor candidates. In no other country or region could they even dream of being elected
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 05, 2019, 05:16:00 PM
Eastwood could do a fine job, but Long is more likely to be elected.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 05, 2019, 06:17:13 PM
Eastwood could do a fine job, but Long is more likely to be elected.

Long will get transfers from many of the other candidates.  Eastwood wouldn't get many from SF and none from unionists. The race will be to be for the third place and then await transfers as the bottom candidates are eliminated.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 08:15:53 PM
Eastwood could do a fine job, but Long is more likely to be elected.

Long will get transfers from many of the other candidates.  Eastwood wouldn't get many from SF and none from unionists. The race will be to be for the third place and then await transfers as the bottom candidates are eliminated.

I think you are correct. Under previous management UUP offered the hand of friendship to SDLP. Young Colm rejected it. His entitlement to the benefit of the doubt was zeroised at that point. The 3rd seat absolutely needs unionists votes. Eastwood wonít get them. Any vote for Colm is a vote for someone 100% guaranteed not to get elected. Fact
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 05, 2019, 08:33:28 PM
My transfer will be going to alliance now I think after the antics of the sdlp ones in ballymena when SFs Patrice hardy was eliminated. Plus I really believe Naomi will outpoll Colm and thus has a better chance of getting the 3rd seat.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Angelo on May 05, 2019, 08:36:35 PM
Stoops little merger with FF doesn't seem to have worked like they would have hoped. They are dead in the water.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: uimhr ocht on May 05, 2019, 08:41:00 PM
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 05, 2019, 08:43:36 PM
What was the crack with Claire Hanna standing beside her SDLP hubby for a pic, when he got re-elected? Can she not make up her mind whether she's in or out?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 09:09:59 PM
What was the crack with Claire Hanna standing beside her SDLP hubby for a pic, when he got re-elected? Can she not make up her mind whether she's in or out?
Claire decided she quite liked her husband and wanted to support him. Iím with you on this. Itís hugely controversial
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 09:11:02 PM
My transfer will be going to alliance now I think after the antics of the sdlp ones in ballymena when SFs Patrice hardy was eliminated. Plus I really believe Naomi will outpoll Colm and thus has a better chance of getting the 3rd seat.
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Who is your first preference for and why?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 05, 2019, 09:12:06 PM
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?
I'd imagine they'd take no position on it and would let their members vote as they see fit.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 09:13:13 PM
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?

Some Alliance members would vote for the Union. Some would vote for UI. Likewise some voters will vote for the Union and some for UI. It will confuse only the simplest of minds
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 05, 2019, 09:24:36 PM
What was the crack with Claire Hanna standing beside her SDLP hubby for a pic, when he got re-elected? Can she not make up her mind whether she's in or out?

Claire Hanna is still an SDLP member and campaigned in the local elections for SDLP candidates.  She resigned from her spokesperson role but did not quit as an SDLP MLA.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owen Brannigan on May 05, 2019, 09:30:42 PM
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?

Some Alliance members would vote for the Union. Some would vote for UI. Likewise some voters will vote for the Union and some for UI. It will confuse only the simplest of minds

In the same way that some SF and SDLP members and voters will vote for a UI and some will not even though both parties have policies to have a UI.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: charlieTully on May 05, 2019, 09:40:50 PM



The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?


Some Alliance members would vote for the Union. Some would vote for UI. Likewise some voters will vote for the Union and some for UI. It will confuse only the simplest of minds

Is Naomi a good ride?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: hardstation on May 05, 2019, 10:04:13 PM
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?

Some Alliance members would vote for the Union. Some would vote for UI. Likewise some voters will vote for the Union and some for UI. It will confuse only the simplest of minds
Spare us the sanctimony. It doesnít help you.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 05, 2019, 10:38:57 PM
What was the crack with Claire Hanna standing beside her SDLP hubby for a pic, when he got re-elected? Can she not make up her mind whether she's in or out?

Claire Hanna is still an SDLP member and campaigned in the local elections for SDLP candidates.  She resigned from her spokesperson role but did not quit as an SDLP MLA.

Doesn't attend party group meetings - is that not the case? So it's up for debate as to exactly what her status is. Looks like she resigned from the Assembly Group,  but remains an ordinary party member. Confusing to say the least.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: hardstation on May 05, 2019, 10:41:51 PM
Sheís still married to her husband?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 05, 2019, 10:42:20 PM
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?

Some Alliance members would vote for the Union. Some would vote for UI. Likewise some voters will vote for the Union and some for UI. It will confuse only the simplest of minds

In the same way that some SF and SDLP members and voters will vote for a UI and some will not even though both parties have policies to have a UI.

Same as FF and FG voters down here even though both espouse the unity of Ireland somewhere in their officialdom.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 05, 2019, 10:54:13 PM
The true colours of alliance neutrality would come if there was a border poll they claim to be remainers so would they campaign to stay in eu as part of an all ireland?

Some Alliance members would vote for the Union. Some would vote for UI. Likewise some voters will vote for the Union and some for UI. It will confuse only the simplest of minds
Spare us the sanctimony. It doesnít help you.

Sanctimony? I merely react to the ďtrue coloursĒ comment and this idiocy that it is constitutional position first and good governance and the people second

And then look at Charlietullyís post. You see what we are up against?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: hardstation on May 05, 2019, 11:00:45 PM
Yes. Sanctimony has been dripping off every one of your posts.

People will vote as they like, regardless of what you reckon to be ďthe only way a sane person would voteĒ.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 05, 2019, 11:12:24 PM
Yes. Sanctimony has been dripping off every one of your posts.

People will vote as they like, regardless of what you reckon to be ďthe only way a sane person would voteĒ.

Well said Hard Station.

People won't be lectured.  This carry on is putting me off giving Alliance a preference in Euros.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 06, 2019, 06:07:55 PM
Yes. Sanctimony has been dripping off every one of your posts.

People will vote as they like, regardless of what you reckon to be ďthe only way a sane person would voteĒ.

Well said Hard Station.

People won't be lectured.  This carry on is putting me off giving Alliance a preference in Euros.

People will vote as they see fit. Nothing wrong with a discussion forum exploring the reasons for voting in a particular way.

Martyís claim that my posts would make him not transfer to Alliance is, well humorous in the extreme.

I find it extremely difficult to get SF representatives to address certain key points. On this forum itís extremely difficult to get certain posters to engage truthfully on the same points.

Say for example Martyís claim that Martina Anderson was an excellent representative and his subsequent evasion of the point. The point that Andersonís articulacy cannot be tested against Longís because Anderson is an MEP and Long isnít is staggering in its stupidity. Calling out that stupidity is not sanctimony on my part.

On another thread I challenged the false notion (peddled by SF) that a UI would be a unitary state with no power sharing in NI. Throw that one in and some posters flee. Again very similar to the official SF tactic.

Ask for evidence of SFís record of delivery in government? All goes quiet.

Why does everything have to be viewed through SF vs DUP and which one backs down to the others demands first? We donít have to have either party if the electorate move on from them. Letís get on with it. We arenít getting anything from hanging around waiting on them to grow up.

And then we have Martyís classic- make up something that I didnít say and then dismiss it as ďwaffleĒ. Have you ever seen anything as stupid??
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Sportacus on May 06, 2019, 09:15:52 PM
Naomi Long in with a shot now of the 3rd MEP seat.  Iíd love to see the Council election votes broken down by age.  Wouldnít be surprised if a lot of first time voters went for Alliance, Greens etc because the old bitter divisions isnít how they want to live their lives.  Wake up call for SF - took a stance on rights - fair play, but they need to figure this one out quickly.  In many ways the DUP are the millstone round their neck, just a zero sum.  But the new talks gives them a chance to get something moving again.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: imtommygunn on May 06, 2019, 09:26:41 PM
I think that election gives a glimmer of hope for south Belfast too in terms of assembly elections.No way should a duper be in in south Belfast. Sf are never going to get it and sdlp  have gone to the dogs so at least alliance may claw it away.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 06, 2019, 10:49:38 PM
I think that election gives a glimmer of hope for south Belfast too in terms of assembly elections.No way should a duper be in in south Belfast. Sf are never going to get it and sdlp  have gone to the dogs so at least alliance may claw it away.

Westminster you mean? Claire Hannah if chosen would be a much better option than Paula Bradshaw. The Alliance party are ok but let's not get carried away with them. When Anna Lo went solo just before the last euro elections about UI and NI being a colony a number in the party shat themselves and were not too pleased a rather wishy-washy statement from Forde and Long followed and they felt the need to point out that they were pro status quo.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 06, 2019, 11:03:51 PM

Michelle OíNeill
@moneillsf

5h
Spoke with Karen Bradey this aínoon regarding City Deal for Derry & Strabane. This is much needed investment in the northwest and alongside investment in other projects such as the Ulster University including the medical school are vital to building a strong & vibrant community.

What could possibly have brought Derry to Michelle's attention I wonder?  :P
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rois on May 07, 2019, 06:50:26 AM

Michelle OíNeill
@moneillsf

5h
Spoke with Karen Bradey this aínoon regarding City Deal for Derry & Strabane. This is much needed investment in the northwest and alongside investment in other projects such as the Ulster University including the medical school are vital to building a strong & vibrant community.

What could possibly have brought Derry to Michelle's attention I wonder?  :P
And Colum Eastwood:
Been speaking to the British government over the last couple of days to ensure a City Deal is delivered for Derry. Really important that the investment is big enough to make a difference. Magee needs to be expanded. We also need match funding from Stormont. We need a government.

Both statements within 12 hrs of Karen Bradley announcing Derryís city deal...coincidence??

I wonder how much Strabane will see of it.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 07, 2019, 08:32:03 AM
A good slice of it....Daniel McCrossan will deliver.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 07, 2019, 12:39:25 PM
I think that election gives a glimmer of hope for south Belfast too in terms of assembly elections.No way should a duper be in in south Belfast. Sf are never going to get it and sdlp  have gone to the dogs so at least alliance may claw it away.

Westminster you mean? Claire Hannah if chosen would be a much better option than Paula Bradshaw. The Alliance party are ok but let's not get carried away with them. When Anna Lo went solo just before the last euro elections about UI and NI being a colony a number in the party shat themselves and were not too pleased a rather wishy-washy statement from Forde and Long followed and they felt the need to point out that they were pro status quo.

Agree with you on Hanna vs Bradshaw. Though that point could be made for Hanna vs anyone.

On Alliance I would make 2 points.

Firstly Alliance are not aligned to Unionism or Nationalism today. Party members are free to choose
Secondly and far more importantly to assess Alliance on whether it is Unionist or Nationalist is to completely miss the point. The old story that you cannot be an atheist in NI, you have to be a Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist springs to mind
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Kidder81 on May 07, 2019, 01:03:44 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Kickham csc on May 07, 2019, 01:33:20 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: charlieTully on May 07, 2019, 01:56:53 PM
I think that election gives a glimmer of hope for south Belfast too in terms of assembly elections.No way should a duper be in in south Belfast. Sf are never going to get it and sdlp  have gone to the dogs so at least alliance may claw it away.

Westminster you mean? Claire Hannah if chosen would be a much better option than Paula Bradshaw. The Alliance party are ok but let's not get carried away with them. When Anna Lo went solo just before the last euro elections about UI and NI being a colony a number in the party shat themselves and were not too pleased a rather wishy-washy statement from Forde and Long followed and they felt the need to point out that they were pro status quo.

Agree with you on Hanna vs Bradshaw. Though that point could be made for Hanna vs anyone.

On Alliance I would make 2 points.

Firstly Alliance are not aligned to Unionism or Nationalism today. Party members are free to choose
Secondly and far more importantly to assess Alliance on whether it is Unionist or Nationalist is to completely miss the point. The old story that you cannot be an atheist in NI, you have to be a Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist springs to mind


Are you a member of the alliance party by any chance?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: seafoid on May 07, 2019, 02:06:03 PM
Amanda Ferguson
@AmandaFBelfast

Could we all get real here. The rest of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales have same-sex civil marriage, abortion access, legal language protection. Which of these should British and Irish citizens in the north/Northern Ireland not have? This position is simply not sustainable.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 07, 2019, 02:28:44 PM
Yes. Sanctimony has been dripping off every one of your posts.

People will vote as they like, regardless of what you reckon to be ďthe only way a sane person would voteĒ.

Well said Hard Station.

People won't be lectured.  This carry on is putting me off giving Alliance a preference in Euros.

People will vote as they see fit. Nothing wrong with a discussion forum exploring the reasons for voting in a particular way.

Martyís claim that my posts would make him not transfer to Alliance is, well humorous in the extreme.

I find it extremely difficult to get SF representatives to address certain key points. On this forum itís extremely difficult to get certain posters to engage truthfully on the same points.

Say for example Martyís claim that Martina Anderson was an excellent representative and his subsequent evasion of the point. The point that Andersonís articulacy cannot be tested against Longís because Anderson is an MEP and Long isnít is staggering in its stupidity. Calling out that stupidity is not sanctimony on my part.

On another thread I challenged the false notion (peddled by SF) that a UI would be a unitary state with no power sharing in NI. Throw that one in and some posters flee. Again very similar to the official SF tactic.

Ask for evidence of SFís record of delivery in government? All goes quiet.

Why does everything have to be viewed through SF vs DUP and which one backs down to the others demands first? We donít have to have either party if the electorate move on from them. Letís get on with it. We arenít getting anything from hanging around waiting on them to grow up.

And then we have Martyís classic- make up something that I didnít say and then dismiss it as ďwaffleĒ. Have you ever seen anything as stupid??

This is a pretty good analysis of what it's like to challenge the SF supporters on this board.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 07, 2019, 02:31:15 PM
I think that election gives a glimmer of hope for south Belfast too in terms of assembly elections.No way should a duper be in in south Belfast. Sf are never going to get it and sdlp  have gone to the dogs so at least alliance may claw it away.

Westminster you mean? Claire Hannah if chosen would be a much better option than Paula Bradshaw. The Alliance party are ok but let's not get carried away with them. When Anna Lo went solo just before the last euro elections about UI and NI being a colony a number in the party shat themselves and were not too pleased a rather wishy-washy statement from Forde and Long followed and they felt the need to point out that they were pro status quo.

Agree with you on Hanna vs Bradshaw. Though that point could be made for Hanna vs anyone.

On Alliance I would make 2 points.

Firstly Alliance are not aligned to Unionism or Nationalism today. Party members are free to choose
Secondly and far more importantly to assess Alliance on whether it is Unionist or Nationalist is to completely miss the point. The old story that you cannot be an atheist in NI, you have to be a Catholic Atheist or a Protestant Atheist springs to mind


Are you a member of the alliance party by any chance?

No Iím not an Alliance member
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 07, 2019, 04:35:13 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.

DUP ex-SpAD was on tv the other day about this funny enough.  Some 'commentator' was saying DUP/SF don't work together and everyone else complains whereas if they work together re: funding for Fťile and bonfires, then it's a 'carve up'.  He said they can't win.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 07, 2019, 05:05:56 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.

DUP ex-SpAD was on tv the other day about this funny enough.  Some 'commentator' was saying DUP/SF don't work together and everyone else complains whereas if they work together re: funding for Fťile and bonfires, then it's a 'carve up'.  He said they can't win.

Bonfires and Fťile's should always be top of the pile when doling out money.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Franko on May 07, 2019, 05:15:09 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.

DUP ex-SpAD was on tv the other day about this funny enough.  Some 'commentator' was saying DUP/SF don't work together and everyone else complains whereas if they work together re: funding for Fťile and bonfires, then it's a 'carve up'.  He said they can't win.

Agree to an extent.  It's a sure sign of someone who can't think for themselves when they start to introduce these common waffle terms like 'carve-up' and 'shinnerbot'.  However, I do think there's a point here.  Why could SF and the DUP manage to work together on these issues (distributing funds directly to their support bases) but can't seem to on other, more pressing issues?

I'm not saying it's all their fault either.  I could imagine that the DUP are a lot more prone to making an agreement when they know that by doing so, they'll be given wads of cash to dish out to their mates.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Kidder81 on May 07, 2019, 05:27:03 PM
Amanda Ferguson
@AmandaFBelfast

Could we all get real here. The rest of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales have same-sex civil marriage, abortion access, legal language protection. Which of these should British and Irish citizens in the north/Northern Ireland not have? This position is simply not sustainable.

Who is Amanda Ferguson ?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Kickham csc on May 07, 2019, 05:34:13 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.

DUP ex-SpAD was on tv the other day about this funny enough.  Some 'commentator' was saying DUP/SF don't work together and everyone else complains whereas if they work together re: funding for Fťile and bonfires, then it's a 'carve up'.  He said they can't win.

Agree to an extent.  It's a sure sign of someone who can't think for themselves when they start to introduce these common waffle terms like 'carve-up' and 'shinnerbot'.  However, I do think there's a point here. Why could SF and the DUP manage to work together on these issues (distributing funds directly to their support bases) but can't seem to on other, more pressing issues?

I'm not saying it's all their fault either.  I could imagine that the DUP are a lot more prone to making an agreement when they know that by doing so, they'll be given wads of cash to dish out to their mates.

This is the critical question, not money for mates.

Why can you work together, sit beside each other in church, say all the right thinks on a Monday, but can't get down to business Tuesday, Wednesday etc etc?

Likewise, Unionists always mess up the Tricolour issue, calling it a terrorists flag etc. The flag is green white and orange, not green white and gold. If I was a unionist, I would be asking SF why they are not embracing the orange section of the flag, and how will they guarantee the orange culture existence in the future, in a nationalist NI or in a UI


Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 07, 2019, 05:39:42 PM
Amanda Ferguson
@AmandaFBelfast

Could we all get real here. The rest of Ireland, Scotland, England and Wales have same-sex civil marriage, abortion access, legal language protection. Which of these should British and Irish citizens in the north/Northern Ireland not have? This position is simply not sustainable.

Who is Amanda Ferguson ?

Local political pundit.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: LooseCannon on May 07, 2019, 06:32:10 PM
How will it go in your area down South?
Our council in Offaly is currently 8FF 4FG 3SF 1Renua Ireland 3 Independents.
3 electoral areas.
Birr: 6 seats 2FF 1FG 1SF 1 Renua Ireland 1 Independent
Tullamore: 7 seats 4FF 1 FG 1 SF 2 Independents
Edenderry: 6 seats 2 FF 2 FG 1SF 1 Independent
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 07, 2019, 07:39:34 PM
Will this city deal be like everything else where SF & DUP dish it all out to their mates and family members ?

Genuine question. Are we being unfair here. NI is in the middle of a major change management program, that will last up to 50 / 75 years. One part of this change process is to ensure that impacted / target groups are brought along with the change in order to prevent them rejected the change.

The appropriate question is not one of funnelling monies to their mates, but rather how successful are Sinn Fein and the DUP in bringing impacted communities along the change management journey?

Additionally,  how well are both groups investing monies to enable that journey?

The larger community might not appreciate this activity, but if money is being invested to ensure the PP lasts, should both parties be criticised for managing the process.

DUP ex-SpAD was on tv the other day about this funny enough.  Some 'commentator' was saying DUP/SF don't work together and everyone else complains whereas if they work together re: funding for Fťile and bonfires, then it's a 'carve up'.  He said they can't win.

That ex-spad completely misses the point. The parties that can divvy up the cash jointly and work together on bonfires and Feile but not on schools, education, housing, the economy, policing, crime etc are failed and failing parties. Electorally successful but failures all the same.

All that guff about not being able to win either way is horseshit and typical of those 2 parties
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 08, 2019, 02:18:53 PM
Are all the spads currently ex-spads? Presumably they donít get paid at the moment?

If they have to be reappointed if Stormont is restored it will be interesting to see the appointment process given OíMuilleoirís little difficulty
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 08, 2019, 02:47:37 PM
There's a far more interesting case than that, which has been ongoing, for quite some time. Watch this space.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 08, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
There's a far more interesting case than that, which has been ongoing, for quite some time. Watch this space.
Timeframe?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 13, 2019, 03:22:43 PM
Six county Euro poll.

SF 27.2%
DUP 20.2%
SDLP 13.1%
UUP 11.8%
Alliance 11.3%
TUV 8.5%
Green 4.6%
Unionist for Brexit 1.7%
Ind Morrice 1.4%
Con & Ind McCann 0.1% each
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 13, 2019, 03:51:51 PM
So it's " Us"40.4, "Them" 42.3 "Neither" 17.3.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 13, 2019, 04:47:39 PM
SF 27.2% Jesus wept. Martina Anderson isn't even credible as a person never mind a politician.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: screenexile on May 13, 2019, 05:00:40 PM
SF 27.2% Jesus wept. Martina Anderson isn't even credible as a person never mind a politician.

Did you not get the memo about all the good work she's doing in Brussels opposing Brexit ??

It's their stock answer for anything to do with it... "Oh well Martina Anderson is doing blah blah f**k all"
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 13, 2019, 05:08:24 PM
Just heard today that someone who couldn't even get re-elected in the recent Council elections has now been co-opted & promoted to replace an MLA,  who had stepped down to become a councillor. You couldn't make it up! Shows a certain contempt for the whole election process.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 13, 2019, 05:39:20 PM
Just heard today that someone who couldn't even get re-elected in the recent Council elections has now been co-opted & promoted to replace an MLA,  who had stepped down to become a councillor. You couldn't make it up! Shows a certain contempt for the whole election process.

Who?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 13, 2019, 06:10:43 PM
So it's " Us"40.4, "Them" 42.3 "Neither" 17.3.

That is the modern NI, except the next election will be us 41% them 41% and neither 18%.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 13, 2019, 09:56:34 PM
Just heard today that someone who couldn't even get re-elected in the recent Council elections has now been co-opted & promoted to replace an MLA,  who had stepped down to become a councillor. You couldn't make it up! Shows a certain contempt for the whole election process.

I understand why co-option exists but it is also abused- quite cynically by some parties
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Norf Tyrone on May 13, 2019, 10:03:28 PM
Just heard today that someone who couldn't even get re-elected in the recent Council elections has now been co-opted & promoted to replace an MLA,  who had stepped down to become a councillor. You couldn't make it up! Shows a certain contempt for the whole election process.

Who?

Maoilisa McHugh from Castlederg.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 13, 2019, 10:03:55 PM
Six county Euro poll.

SF 27.2%
DUP 20.2%
SDLP 13.1%
UUP 11.8%
Alliance 11.3%
TUV 8.5%
Green 4.6%
Unionist for Brexit 1.7%
Ind Morrice 1.4%
Con & Ind McCann 0.1% each

Completely frightening the degree of a lead of SF and DUP. The 2 candidates are difficult to find the words to describe. Letís hope there is a candidates debate.

Hard to know who would get the third seat but you would have to think Long would get the most transfers
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 13, 2019, 10:08:36 PM
SF 27.2% Jesus wept. Martina Anderson isn't even credible as a person never mind a politician.

Did you not get the memo about all the good work she's doing in Brussels opposing Brexit ??

It's their stock answer for anything to do with it... "Oh well Martina Anderson is doing blah blah f**k all"
Too true
The Party political broadcast will be good
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: general_lee on May 14, 2019, 12:59:15 AM
The bar is set pretty low when it comes to politicians here so I donít see what the obsession is with Martina Anderson other than a bit of old fashioned Sinn Fein bashing? Theyíre all pretty shite as individuals and politicians, she definitely doesnít have the monopoly in the department
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Insane Bolt on May 14, 2019, 08:06:16 AM
What I find sad is that 20+ years after the GFA the majority of voters are still voting for the two extremes....green or orange. I canít see it changing any time soon.
Local council elections here in England were being hailed as if the people had risen up so to speak and given the two main parties a reality check......the sad reality is come a general election.....you have blue or red.
Iím certainly done with voting.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: charlieTully on May 14, 2019, 08:28:46 AM
SF 27.2% Jesus wept. Martina Anderson isn't even credible as a person never mind a politician.


She was fighting a war while you were hiding under your bed.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 14, 2019, 09:14:18 AM
The bar is set pretty low when it comes to politicians here so I donít see what the obsession is with Martina Anderson other than a bit of old fashioned Sinn Fein bashing? Theyíre all pretty shite as individuals and politicians, she definitely doesnít have the monopoly in the department

There is no obsession. There is an interest in her because she is a candidate in an election and therefore as a democrat and one of the incumbents she is inviting assessment of her track record.

Martina Anderson may not have a monopoly on ineffectiveness but she commands at least her fair share. What Iím trying to establish is what capabilities, attributes and achievements does she possess that would lead an individual to vote for her over say Morrice or Long? Or do people deliberately vote for a less capable candidate? What would the motivation for that be. Unionists who vote dogmatically are frequently labelled blinkered and bigoted on this forum.

The other reason for assessing Anderson is because of Marty34ís convincing Hurlers on the Ditch thesis which means only Anderson and Dodds can be assessed
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 14, 2019, 09:19:20 AM
What I find sad is that 20+ years after the GFA the majority of voters are still voting for the two extremes....green or orange. I canít see it changing any time soon.
Local council elections here in England were being hailed as if the people had risen up so to speak and given the two main parties a reality check......the sad reality is come a general election.....you have blue or red.
Iím certainly done with voting.

That makes no sense. There must be one candidate worth voting for. Get out and vote for them. Your are going to have a future, that future will be influenced by politicians. To opt out and leave the selection of and accountability of politicians to others is a cop out
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 14, 2019, 09:21:28 AM
SF 27.2% Jesus wept. Martina Anderson isn't even credible as a person never mind a politician.


She was fighting a war while you were hiding under your bed.

Is this what passes as credentials for public office? If there is a candidateís debate are these the credentials she will bring to the fore? What does her promotional literature say?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 14, 2019, 01:10:41 PM
The bar is set pretty low when it comes to politicians here so I donít see what the obsession is with Martina Anderson other than a bit of old fashioned Sinn Fein bashing? Theyíre all pretty shite as individuals and politicians, she definitely doesnít have the monopoly in the department
You can criticise her without nailing SF. I think she is absolutely useless and has zero respect amongst her peers. She got voted in because of who she is rather than what she can do. I would equally say the same about Dodds.

If I wanted someone to diligently and competently fight my corner in Europe I'd go for Long. I'd even have Danny Kennedy ahead of either Anderson or Dodds.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 14, 2019, 01:14:10 PM
SF 27.2% Jesus wept. Martina Anderson isn't even credible as a person never mind a politician.


She was fighting a war while you were hiding under your bed.

Ahhy dead on big lad.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 14, 2019, 01:14:43 PM
The bar is set pretty low when it comes to politicians here so I donít see what the obsession is with Martina Anderson other than a bit of old fashioned Sinn Fein bashing? Theyíre all pretty shite as individuals and politicians, she definitely doesnít have the monopoly in the department
You can criticise her without nailing SF. I think she is absolutely useless and has zero respect amongst her peers. She got voted in because of who she is rather than what she can do. I would equally say the same about Dodds.

If I wanted someone to diligently and competently fight my corner in Europe I'd go for Long. I'd even have Danny Kennedy ahead of either Anderson or Dodds.

Have you ever seen Anderson and Dodds in the same debate? If you did you wouldn't put them anywhere near the same level!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 14, 2019, 01:17:03 PM
Think I would rather watch paint drying.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 14, 2019, 01:22:37 PM
Think I would rather watch paint drying.

Any word of a candidateís debate? These candidates need to be properly exposed. Could play to Morriceís strength
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2019, 01:37:56 PM
Think I would rather watch paint drying.

Any word of a candidateís debate? These candidates need to be properly exposed. Could play to Morriceís strength

Sure they were all on UTV last night!!!

Naomi will be getting my vote. . .
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 14, 2019, 01:52:09 PM
The bar is set pretty low when it comes to politicians here so I donít see what the obsession is with Martina Anderson other than a bit of old fashioned Sinn Fein bashing? Theyíre all pretty shite as individuals and politicians, she definitely doesnít have the monopoly in the department
You can criticise her without nailing SF. I think she is absolutely useless and has zero respect amongst her peers. She got voted in because of who she is rather than what she can do. I would equally say the same about Dodds.

If I wanted someone to diligently and competently fight my corner in Europe I'd go for Long. I'd even have Danny Kennedy ahead of either Anderson or Dodds.

Have you ever seen Anderson and Dodds in the same debate? If you did you wouldn't put them anywhere near the same level!
That's an argument around levels of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2019, 01:55:33 PM
Great exchange from last nights show  ::) ::) ::) ::)

https://twitter.com/RockofLifeNI/status/1128076852013277185
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Insane Bolt on May 14, 2019, 02:05:02 PM
What I find sad is that 20+ years after the GFA the majority of voters are still voting for the two extremes....green or orange. I canít see it changing any time soon.
Local council elections here in England were being hailed as if the people had risen up so to speak and given the two main parties a reality check......the sad reality is come a general election.....you have blue or red.
Iím certainly done with voting.

That makes no sense. There must be one candidate worth voting for. Get out and vote for them. Your are going to have a future, that future will be influenced by politicians. To opt out and leave the selection of and accountability of politicians to others is a cop out

If you think the calibre of candidate in N.I. is poor....ie Dodds and Anderson......have a look at who is standing in England😂 from Tommy Robinson to Ann Widdecombe to Farage to Lord Adonis....if I only had four bullets left in my gun.....Farage gets them all. Iím beyond caring anymore and really feel for the younger generation. Hopefully if Iím still alive come next year Iíll head somewhere warm to live out whatever time I have left.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 14, 2019, 02:21:40 PM
Great exchange from last nights show  ::) ::) ::) ::)

https://twitter.com/RockofLifeNI/status/1128076852013277185

Jim is an absolute gipe. Embarrassing for unionism.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 14, 2019, 03:23:04 PM
Think I would rather watch paint drying.

Any word of a candidateís debate? These candidates need to be properly exposed. Could play to Morriceís strength

Sure they were all on UTV last night!!!

Naomi will be getting my vote. . .
Missed that. Anything worth catching up on? How did the 2 incumbents do?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: LooseCannon on May 14, 2019, 03:23:59 PM
May I ask what have the SDLP and the UUP done wrong in comparison to the extreme parties in the North?

Itís not as is the SDLP have murdered anyone, have they?
Genuinely curious.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 14, 2019, 03:25:02 PM
What I find sad is that 20+ years after the GFA the majority of voters are still voting for the two extremes....green or orange. I canít see it changing any time soon.
Local council elections here in England were being hailed as if the people had risen up so to speak and given the two main parties a reality check......the sad reality is come a general election.....you have blue or red.
Iím certainly done with voting.

That makes no sense. There must be one candidate worth voting for. Get out and vote for them. Your are going to have a future, that future will be influenced by politicians. To opt out and leave the selection of and accountability of politicians to others is a cop out

If you think the calibre of candidate in N.I. is poor....ie Dodds and Anderson......have a look at who is standing in England😂 from Tommy Robinson to Ann Widdecombe to Farage to Lord Adonis....if I only had four bullets left in my gun.....Farage gets them all. Iím beyond caring anymore and really feel for the younger generation. Hopefully if Iím still alive come next year Iíll head somewhere warm to live out whatever time I have left.

With a population the size of GB Iím not surprised that there are 4 candidates as bad as that but there are other candidates and you only have to pick one
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 14, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
May I ask what have the SDLP and the UUP done wrong in comparison to the extreme parties in the North?

Itís not as is the SDLP have murdered anyone, have they?
Genuinely curious.

They got old and they didnít tool up for the cynical professionalism/professional cynicism of SF/DUP

Earlier mention of co-option. SF routinely co opt young and inexperienced people on to council so that in their first election they are incumbents and possibly even have a track record.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: screenexile on May 14, 2019, 03:32:08 PM
May I ask what have the SDLP and the UUP done wrong in comparison to the extreme parties in the North?

Itís not as is the SDLP have murdered anyone, have they?
Genuinely curious.

It's how you sell it . . . Sinn Fein could never have the support of ordinary Nationalists when the IRA was still engaged in armed struggle. When they gave it up Sinn Fein portrayed themselves as the peacemakers who wanted a United Ireland through political means.

SDLP never really pushed for a United Ireland hard enough so they lost a lot of support that way and once they lost big personalities like Hume and Mallon they were always going to struggle. McDevitt offered them some hope but then he was too principled for stepping down for something which in todays politics would barely cause a ripple!!!

Likewise the DUP were hard liners taking a back seat to the UUP crying down the Good Friday agreement but then there were 29% odd against it and mostly Unionist so they hoovered those up and then went into Government with Sinn Fein anyway!!!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 14, 2019, 07:45:06 PM
May I ask what have the SDLP and the UUP done wrong in comparison to the extreme parties in the North?

Itís not as is the SDLP have murdered anyone, have they?
Genuinely curious.

They got old and they didnít tool up for the cynical professionalism/professional cynicism of SF/DUP

Earlier mention of co-option. SF routinely co opt young and inexperienced people on to council so that in their first election they are incumbents and possibly even have a track record.

The old time nodding dogs on the back shelves of the cars of yesteryear had more capacity for independent thought than the current batch of SF clones - all looky likeys.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 14, 2019, 09:45:23 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: hardstation on May 14, 2019, 09:47:49 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.
Youíve gone full Jamie Bryson.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 14, 2019, 09:48:14 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 14, 2019, 10:42:30 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.
Which Durkan was co opted?
Which Dallat was co opted?
Which Paisley was co opted?
Which Robinson was co opted?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2019, 09:00:00 AM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 15, 2019, 10:04:57 AM
Anyone guess who'll be elected in the various constituencies in the 26? Mairead McGuinness will prob top the poll in Midlands/North/West. Apart from that???
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 15, 2019, 10:20:09 AM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

Nonsense. Of course it is! Newly elected SDLP councillor Mary Durkan in Derry. Im sure it's just coincidence she's Mark Hs sister and Marks neice. Same with the Robinsons in the DUP and the Trimbles in the UUP.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: johnnycool on May 15, 2019, 10:25:27 AM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

Nonsense. Of course it is! Newly elected SDLP councillor Mary Durkan in Derry. Im sure it's just coincidence she's Mark Hs sister and Marks neice. Same with the Robinsons in the DUP and the Trimbles in the UUP.

Are you trying to say nepotism is rife in NI politics?

Are Diane, Iris, Paul Maskey, the Durkan's, young Poots and Co not picked on merit?

Big Gavin R is no relation to Peter the punt.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 15, 2019, 10:28:26 AM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

Nonsense. Of course it is! Newly elected SDLP councillor Mary Durkan in Derry. Im sure it's just coincidence she's Mark Hs sister and Marks neice. Same with the Robinsons in the DUP and the Trimbles in the UUP.

Are you trying to say nepotism is rife in NI politics?

Are Diane, Iris, Paul Maskey, the Durkan's, young Poots and Co not picked on merit?

Big Gavin R is no relation to Peter the punt.

The 26 are as bad I've noticed. The amount of posters I've seen  with familiar surnames is shackin, so it is.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Hound on May 15, 2019, 11:13:19 AM
How will it go in your area down South?
Our council in Offaly is currently 8FF 4FG 3SF 1Renua Ireland 3 Independents.
3 electoral areas.
Birr: 6 seats 2FF 1FG 1SF 1 Renua Ireland 1 Independent
Tullamore: 7 seats 4FF 1 FG 1 SF 2 Independents
Edenderry: 6 seats 2 FF 2 FG 1SF 1 Independent

Anyone guess who'll be elected in the various constituencies in the 26? Mairead McGuinness will prob top the poll in Midlands/North/West. Apart from that???
We should probably partition the south elections into a separate thread. Gets lost amongst the 6 county stuff.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 15, 2019, 12:10:23 PM
Whats the view on Mark Durkan in Dublin? Will he get elected?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 15, 2019, 12:23:19 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

Nonsense. Of course it is! Newly elected SDLP councillor Mary Durkan in Derry. Im sure it's just coincidence she's Mark Hs sister and Marks neice. Same with the Robinsons in the DUP and the Trimbles in the UUP.

Iíll ask you the same question that Marty34 is unwilling to answer - which of these have been co opted?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rois on May 15, 2019, 12:24:10 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

Nonsense. Of course it is! Newly elected SDLP councillor Mary Durkan in Derry. Im sure it's just coincidence she's Mark Hs sister and Marks neice. Same with the Robinsons in the DUP and the Trimbles in the UUP.
That's newly elected Mary Durkan the practicing barrister, who has been involved in politics forever, and who was the poll topper in the QUB Student Union president election back in 2001?  I don't get why you think there's nepotism - Mary doesn't need the role of councillor, given her successful career, and was elected fair and square. 
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 15, 2019, 01:12:27 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

Nonsense. Of course it is! Newly elected SDLP councillor Mary Durkan in Derry. Im sure it's just coincidence she's Mark Hs sister and Marks neice. Same with the Robinsons in the DUP and the Trimbles in the UUP.

Iíll ask you the same question that Marty34 is unwilling to answer - which of these have been co opted?

Durkan was ran in the foyleside dea, it's as good as co opting. Be like running an unknown SF candidate in Black mountain.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 15, 2019, 01:55:24 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

Nonsense. Of course it is! Newly elected SDLP councillor Mary Durkan in Derry. Im sure it's just coincidence she's Mark Hs sister and Marks neice. Same with the Robinsons in the DUP and the Trimbles in the UUP.

Iíll ask you the same question that Marty34 is unwilling to answer - which of these have been co opted?

Durkan was ran in the foyleside dea, it's as good as co opting. Be like running an unknown SF candidate in Black mountain.

Flimsy

The woman ran in her local area, at the most junior level, having served in the party for years and having established herself professionally and then was elected by the public. Not co opted
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2019, 02:06:05 PM
Anyone guess who'll be elected in the various constituencies in the 26? Mairead McGuinness will prob top the poll in Midlands/North/West. Apart from that???
McGuinness and Carthy should get back anyway.
Hopefully Ming before that Casey fella.
FFrs will surely expect to take a seat .
Don't know enough about the other 2 areas.
There's a plethora of loonylefts in Dublin which will I'm sure eat into the SF vote but will they come back in transfers?
If SF do badly they'll have to reconsider their Queen's position.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on May 15, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Politics in nepotism and jobs for the boys shocker.....


Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 15, 2019, 03:21:17 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

It's exactly the same in most political parties - co-opted or standinging for the first time.

Durkan in Derry...mmmm...nepotism and all the rest, Maskeys in Belfast, Poots and Robinsons in Belfast.  Family name means a lot on the poster regardless.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 15, 2019, 04:58:47 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

It's exactly the same in most political parties - co-opted or standinging for the first time.

Durkan in Derry...mmmm...nepotism and all the rest, Maskeys in Belfast, Poots and Robinsons in Belfast.  Family name means a lot on the poster regardless.

Last sentence is probably true but thatís democracy. Co opting is not the same is it? The electorate donít have role to play in co opting do they?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 15, 2019, 05:06:21 PM
Anyone guess who'll be elected in the various constituencies in the 26? Mairead McGuinness will prob top the poll in Midlands/North/West. Apart from that???
McGuinness and Carthy should get back anyway.
Hopefully Ming before that Casey fella.
FFrs will surely expect to take a seat .
Don't know enough about the other 2 areas.
There's a plethora of loonylefts in Dublin which will I'm sure eat into the SF vote but will they come back in transfers?
If SF do badly they'll have to reconsider their Queen's position.

Queen Mary Lou?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 15, 2019, 05:08:45 PM
Yep Farr.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 15, 2019, 05:49:45 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

It's exactly the same in most political parties - co-opted or standinging for the first time.

Durkan in Derry...mmmm...nepotism and all the rest, Maskeys in Belfast, Poots and Robinsons in Belfast.  Family name means a lot on the poster regardless.

Last sentence is probably true but thatís democracy. Co opting is not the same is it? The electorate donít have role to play in co opting do they?

A Durkan in Foyleside???? As good as co-opting.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: LooseCannon on May 15, 2019, 08:14:09 PM
Anyone guess who'll be elected in the various constituencies in the 26? Mairead McGuinness will prob top the poll in Midlands/North/West. Apart from that???
Mairťad McGuinness
Ming
Brendan Smith
Carthy or Casey. People are copping on to Carthyís co-option party trick.

Ireland South:
SeŠn Kelly
Liadh NŪ Riada
Billy Kelleher
Clune/ Smith
Byrne

Dublin:
Fitzgerald
Andrews
Boylan
Iíve a funny feeling that Cuffe will get the last one.

IMHO, of course. I may be proven to be wrong.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: currychip on May 15, 2019, 09:47:12 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

It's exactly the same in most political parties - co-opted or standinging for the first time.

Durkan in Derry...mmmm...nepotism and all the rest, Maskeys in Belfast, Poots and Robinsons in Belfast.  Family name means a lot on the poster regardless.

Last sentence is probably true but thatís democracy. Co opting is not the same is it? The electorate donít have role to play in co opting do they?

A Durkan in Foyleside???? As good as co-opting.

Bunkum.  There were 3 SDLP candidates and 2 SDLP quotas. Voters had a choice and voted strongly for Mary Durian.  Nothing like a co option.  A simple case of offering voters choice.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 15, 2019, 09:48:56 PM
Co-opting. Jobs for the boys/girls. If you're a good little boy or girl and do what the Felon's club tells you, you'll get a cushey MLA number.

Or the Durkans in Derry or Dallats in Causeway or the Paisleys, Poots and Robinsons etc. etc....all the same in every political party.

It's definitely not the same in every political party.

I see there is an issue with postal votes for the European elections in NI. Be interesting to see if this has an effect on percentage vote share....

It's exactly the same in most political parties - co-opted or standinging for the first time.

Durkan in Derry...mmmm...nepotism and all the rest, Maskeys in Belfast, Poots and Robinsons in Belfast.  Family name means a lot on the poster regardless.

Last sentence is probably true but thatís democracy. Co opting is not the same is it? The electorate donít have role to play in co opting do they?

A Durkan in Foyleside???? As good as co-opting.
Do you see any difference between Maoliosa McHugh being rejected by the electorate at council level and then being foisted on the electorate, without a vote at the higher MLA level and on the other hand Mary Durkan stand for election in her local area and succeeding?

Do you see any difference between some kid with no life, work or public service experience being co opted in and say a proven party official and established professional running for election in her local area and securing electoral approval?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 15, 2019, 11:37:14 PM
https://sluggerotoole.com/2019/05/15/ni-european-election-data-modelling-exercise/

Very interesting. The takeaway is that long is best placed for the 3rd seat from a remain point of view. I think I'll transfer to her, she's a good politician.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 15, 2019, 11:43:25 PM
Anyone guess who'll be elected in the various constituencies in the 26? Mairead McGuinness will prob top the poll in Midlands/North/West. Apart from that???
Mairťad McGuinness
Ming
Brendan Smith
Carthy or Casey. People are copping on to Carthyís co-option party trick.

Ireland South:
SeŠn Kelly
Liadh NŪ Riada
Billy Kelleher
Clune/ Smith
Byrne

Dublin:
Fitzgerald
Andrews
Boylan
Iíve a funny feeling that Cuffe will get the last one.

IMHO, of course. I may be proven to be wrong.
Only 4 seats in South and 3 in Dublin. Other seats suspended because the British are still there.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: LooseCannon on May 16, 2019, 06:56:54 AM
Anyone guess who'll be elected in the various constituencies in the 26? Mairead McGuinness will prob top the poll in Midlands/North/West. Apart from that???
Mairťad McGuinness
Ming
Brendan Smith
Carthy or Casey. People are copping on to Carthyís co-option party trick.

Ireland South:
SeŠn Kelly
Liadh NŪ Riada
Billy Kelleher
Clune/ Smith
Byrne

Dublin:
Fitzgerald
Andrews
Boylan
Iíve a funny feeling that Cuffe will get the last one.

IMHO, of course. I may be proven to be wrong.
Only 4 seats in South and 3 in Dublin. Other seats suspended because the British are still there.

Iím aware of that.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Hound on May 16, 2019, 10:40:45 AM
Anyone guess who'll be elected in the various constituencies in the 26? Mairead McGuinness will prob top the poll in Midlands/North/West. Apart from that???
Mairťad McGuinness
Ming
Brendan Smith
Carthy or Casey. People are copping on to Carthyís co-option party trick.

Ireland South:
SeŠn Kelly
Liadh NŪ Riada
Billy Kelleher
Clune/ Smith
Byrne

Dublin:
Fitzgerald
Andrews
Boylan
Iíve a funny feeling that Cuffe will get the last one.

IMHO, of course. I may be proven to be wrong.
Only 4 seats in South and 3 in Dublin. Other seats suspended because the British are still there.

Iím aware of that.
Number 4 is going to have to wait in the sidelines pending the UK exit. For Dublin, have they said if they are going to count it like a 4 seater, or do it as a 3 seater first and then re-count as a 4?

It could make a big difference.
Last time the top 4 in Dublin (3 seater), in order, were:
1. Boylan
2. Childers
3. Hayes
4. Ryan

But if they'd counted it as a 4 seater, the order would have been:
1. Boylan
2. Childers
3. Ryan
4. Hayes

So Eamonn Ryan would have got in automatically and Brian Hayes would have had to wait until UK finally left.

This is because under the second scenario, Boylan would have had a 13,000 excess over the quota to distribute and Ryan was only about 1,000 votes behind Hayes, so it's thought he'd have comfortably passed him out.
 
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 16, 2019, 10:46:24 AM
Might have it wrong but I believe Dublin and South will be counted as 4/5 seats with 4th and 5th elected on the bench waiting for the United Chaosdom to leave the EU.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: macdanger2 on May 16, 2019, 12:47:22 PM
Might have it wrong but I believe Dublin and South will be counted as 4/5 seats with 4th and 5th elected on the bench waiting for the United Chaosdom to leave the EU.

That's what I read also
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Hound on May 16, 2019, 04:29:05 PM
Lucky for Frances, she's becoming even more photogenic for the election!

Recent picture



Election picture

Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 16, 2019, 10:58:09 PM
Jim Allister is better at making his point than Kennedy (Danny that is), Dodds or Anderson. Admittedly his point is bloody stupid. Dodds is a lightweight. Kennedy looks bewildered and Anderson is the female embodiment of Cicero
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Franko on May 17, 2019, 08:42:27 AM
Jim Allister is better at making his point than Kennedy (Danny that is), Dodds or Anderson. Admittedly his point is bloody stupid. Dodds is a lightweight. Kennedy looks bewildered and Anderson is the female embodiment of Cicero

Won't be voting SF this time anyway.  Watching that 'armoured cars and tanks and guns' speech of Anderson's a while back made me sick in my mouth a little.

However, you don't do much to present the positive case for voting Alliance smelmoth.  Constantly attacking the other candidates reeks of someone with nothing of substance to say.  And it's tiresome.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 17, 2019, 09:12:46 AM
Jim Allister is better at making his point than Kennedy (Danny that is), Dodds or Anderson. Admittedly his point is bloody stupid. Dodds is a lightweight. Kennedy looks bewildered and Anderson is the female embodiment of Cicero

Won't be voting SF this time anyway.  Watching that 'armoured cars and tanks and guns' speech of Anderson's a while back made me sick in my mouth a little.

However, you don't do much to present the positive case for voting Alliance smelmoth.  Constantly attacking the other candidates reeks of someone with nothing of substance to say.  And it's tiresome.

Sorry that you find it tiresome. I have posted several times to expose that SF lie to their supporters about the nature of UI on offer, that SF and DUP donít like being challenged, have no answers when challenged and have no positive track record to point to despite the opportunities afforded them. Itís tiring work but Iíll persevere.

As for the positive case for Alliance I have posted the merits of their candidate (can or has anyone argued that any of the other candidates is more capable). I have argued that Long is more capable of arguing the remain case, highlighting the unique NI circumstances and the range of opinions and contexts in NI (by all means for someone who can do this better). I have argued that Long can collect the required transfers in a way that say Kennedy and Eastwood canít (and explained why). I have argued for voting for a Remain candidate and have argued that this election (amongst others) does not have to be along unionist/nationalist lines. It may be tiresome but you canít seriously pretend that itís not positive
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: RedHand88 on May 17, 2019, 11:50:26 AM
Danny's been guldering.


Daniel McCrossan MLA 🕊🇪🇺
@McCrossanMLA

12h
Youíve heard it loud and clear - in 2016 Naomi Long publicly stated that she accepted the result of the Referendum to leave the EU!

THE
@SDLPlive
 IS THE ONLY TRUE EUROPEAN PARTY!

If people want a strong voice against Brexit, they must come out and Vote
@columeastwood
 on Thurs


I sense from the SDLP establishment that they are really worried about Alliance getting the 3rd seat ahead of them.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Keyser soze on May 17, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
I had been sure that the third seat would remain unionist, but after watching Danny Kennedy last night you would wonder how anybody could vote or transfer to him he is so ineffectual. 
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 17, 2019, 01:23:52 PM
He must be good....sure he was an Executive minister, after all.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 17, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
He is not the worst of people and he isnít even the worst candidate but he looked utterly clueless last night. He gave the impression of being informed of his candidacy just as the production manager was counting down to the live broadcast
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Franko on May 17, 2019, 04:19:58 PM
Danny's been guldering.


Daniel McCrossan MLA 🕊🇪🇺
@McCrossanMLA

12h
Youíve heard it loud and clear - in 2016 Naomi Long publicly stated that she accepted the result of the Referendum to leave the EU!

THE
@SDLPlive
 IS THE ONLY TRUE EUROPEAN PARTY!

If people want a strong voice against Brexit, they must come out and Vote
@columeastwood
 on Thurs


I sense from the SDLP establishment that they are really worried about Alliance getting the 3rd seat ahead of them.

A snivelling weasel if ever there was one.

The SDLP need to realise that characters like this do them more harm than good.

Never mind giving them a first preference vote, the odiousness of this particular character would even make me question giving the SDLP a transfer.

It's looking like Naomi 1 at this stage.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 17, 2019, 05:31:43 PM
Jim Allister is better at making his point than Kennedy (Danny that is), Dodds or Anderson. Admittedly his point is bloody stupid. Dodds is a lightweight. Kennedy looks bewildered and Anderson is the female embodiment of Cicero

You mention everybody but Long!!! After last night I wonder why?

They were all brutal - only winner was Mark C - he blew them out of the water!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 17, 2019, 05:53:57 PM
Jim Allister is better at making his point than Kennedy (Danny that is), Dodds or Anderson. Admittedly his point is bloody stupid. Dodds is a lightweight. Kennedy looks bewildered and Anderson is the female embodiment of Cicero

You mention everybody but Long!!! After last night I wonder why?

They were all brutal - only winner was Mark C - he blew them out of the water!

Well wonder no longer. I didnít mention Long because at time of writing she had not spoke. Hope that clears things up for you

The winner in the debate was clearly Long.

Iím a fan of Carruthers but think the voting transfer question was misguided. None of the candidates were ever going to answer that question directly
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 17, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
Jim Allister is better at making his point than Kennedy (Danny that is), Dodds or Anderson. Admittedly his point is bloody stupid. Dodds is a lightweight. Kennedy looks bewildered and Anderson is the female embodiment of Cicero

You mention everybody but Long!!! After last night I wonder why?

They were all brutal - only winner was Mark C - he blew them out of the water!

Well wonder no longer. I didnít mention Long because at time of writing she had not spoke. Hope that clears things up for you

The winner in the debate was clearly Long.

Iím a fan of Carruthers but think the voting transfer question was misguided. None of the candidates were ever going to answer that question directly

There was no winner - Mark C had the questions re: what they said before and then changed their minds.  It was a mess.  No debate at all, just a shouting match.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 17, 2019, 06:05:08 PM
They were never going to do that, it was a loaded question and one that would lead to a party pact which would be used against them on the doorstep. Stupid quest and Mark knew why he asked it.

Long is head and shoulders above the crew assembled followed by Eastwood who put the DUP and Jim in their place when they said out was out he told them theyíve been looking to change the GFA since it was signed!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 17, 2019, 10:52:12 PM
Good video in Eastwood's tweet
https://twitter.com/columeastwood/status/1129320493411196928
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: screenexile on May 20, 2019, 06:55:19 PM
Jesus lads you couldnít make up this character if you tried... real life is destroying satire!!

https://twitter.com/dawnhfoster/status/1130427100966653952?s=21
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 20, 2019, 07:34:21 PM
That clown has been running around the last few years.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: imtommygunn on May 20, 2019, 08:31:08 PM
Jesus lads you couldnít make up this character if you tried... real life is destroying satire!!

https://twitter.com/dawnhfoster/status/1130427100966653952?s=21

Surely that is made up lol.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 21, 2019, 08:54:46 AM
There's some f**k pots who run for office.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Hound on May 21, 2019, 05:54:06 PM
Anyone know why Durkan wasnít on the RT… debate for Dublin euros last night?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: macdanger2 on May 21, 2019, 07:14:39 PM
Anyone know why Durkan wasnít on the RT… debate for Dublin euros last night?

Only one allowed from each party but not sure how they chose e.g. Sitting MEP Deirdre Clune didn't make the cut the previous night
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 21, 2019, 07:22:46 PM
Macbeth's 3 witches appearing together on the SF party political broadcast in da North earlier.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 21, 2019, 09:01:52 PM
Anyone know why Durkan wasnít on the RT… debate for Dublin euros last night?

Only one allowed from each party but not sure how they chose e.g. Sitting MEP Deirdre Clune didn't make the cut the previous night

When does the count take place?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 21, 2019, 09:19:21 PM
Monday apparently, as a lot of these godless goddamn European types vote on the Sabbath Day & don't keep it holy. Votail DUP, Votail Dodds uimhir a haon, Votail Brexit.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 21, 2019, 09:33:45 PM
Monday apparently, as a lot of these godless goddamn European types vote on the Sabbath Day & don't keep it holy. Votail DUP, Votail Dodds uimhir a haon, Votail Brexit.

You'd think they'd all vote on the same day.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 21, 2019, 09:35:56 PM
No craic in that.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 21, 2019, 11:04:59 PM
Flegger rent a mob in the bbc studio again for the election debate
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: The Trap on May 22, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
Watching the debates we all have to vote 1 2 3 in whatever order you want sf sdlp and alliance.
Unionists will ruin the economy to be part of a union that doesn't want them.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 22, 2019, 12:15:33 AM
Agreed. As much as i like naomi having 2 actual nationalists will be even sweeter so I hope Collum gets it. If transfers follow the latest lucid talk poll then naomi will sneak it. If transfers follow the recent council elections then collum will get it. Either way kennedy is toast snd just as well as he has been crap in the debates
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: armaghniac on May 22, 2019, 12:18:13 AM
Agreed. As much as i like naomi having 2 actual nationalists will be even sweeter so I hope Collum gets it. If transfers follow the latest lucid talk poll then naomi will sneak it. If transfers follow the recent council elections then collum will get it. Either way kennedy is toast snd just as well as he has been crap in the debates

If you are in the occupied territories, get out and and vote and make sure to transfer.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 22, 2019, 12:45:53 AM
Agreed. As much as i like naomi having 2 actual nationalists will be even sweeter so I hope Collum gets it. If transfers follow the latest lucid talk poll then naomi will sneak it. If transfers follow the recent council elections then collum will get it. Either way kennedy is toast snd just as well as he has been crap in the debates

If you are in the occupied territories, get out and and vote and make sure to transfer.
All the unionists spinning the line....it's all about the union.  Worst thing that can happen would be a 6 county pro-Brexit vote so, as you say, everyone needs 1,2and 3 for pro remain parties.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: drillsergeant on May 22, 2019, 01:09:37 AM
Agreed. As much as i like naomi having 2 actual nationalists will be even sweeter so I hope Collum gets it. If transfers follow the latest lucid talk poll then naomi will sneak it. If transfers follow the recent council elections then collum will get it. Either way kennedy is toast snd just as well as he has been crap in the debates

If you are in the occupied territories, get out and and vote and make sure to transfer.


All the unionists spinning the line....it's all about the union.  Worst thing that can happen would be a 6 county pro-Brexit vote so, as you say, everyone needs 1,2and 3 for pro remain parties.

I couldnít agree more folks! Everyone needs to get out on Thursday an vote for Pro Remain Parties. Electing 2 Remainers should send the message loud an clear, just like 2016 us in the North of Ireland want to REMAIN in the EU!! 1.Anderson 2.Eastwood 3.Long for me!!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 22, 2019, 08:09:53 AM
How did the PT debate go down last night? Casey seems to be under pressure
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 08:56:49 AM
It the north itís Ussins versus Themíuns and itís Themíuns fault for making Ussins vote/think that way.

Great. Where is that going to get us?

Put it another way- you need someone to clearly state the NI position, you need someone to participate in senior discussions, to come up with ideas, to build powerful alliances within European Parliament and tap into the wider remain campaign within Uk. Who is your first pick?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: macdanger2 on May 22, 2019, 09:16:09 AM
How did the PT debate go down last night? Casey seems to be under pressure

It's not a great format with so many involved tbh, I wonder if they'd be better doing a 5-7 min interview with each of them.

I thought McGuinness came across as the most capable. McHugh did well also and I'll probably give her my 1st vote. I don't like that Carthy is planning to jump ship at the next election but he's very good at making his point imo.

Casey is no good apart from an occasional controversial soundbite, when ask to articulate further, he ties himself in knots.

The other four were a bit blah
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Rossfan on May 22, 2019, 09:35:33 AM
Only saw the start of It.
Ming like a lot of previously anti EU people got brought to reality by the Brexit fiasco.
Casey wants us to stay in the EU but wants us to get the same deal the Brits get after they leave!!
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2019, 10:08:17 AM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: johnnycool on May 22, 2019, 10:54:19 AM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past. Too insignificant in recent years to matter.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2019, 11:09:53 AM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 22, 2019, 11:26:47 AM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past. Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

Certainly more nationalist than the Alliance party though which makes the lucid talk poll on 2nd prefs for SF bizarre. A quick look at the numbers and colum and Naomi will be neck and neck when one of them is eliminated. Its going to be very tight so those SF transfers will be vital
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: lurganblue on May 22, 2019, 11:31:47 AM
Cant bring myself to transfer votes to any party I fundamentally disagree with on the majority of issues, Europe aside.  I feel if I did transfer my votes to them I would be no worse that the people who vote DUP just to keep them'uns out. It is hypocritical.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: naka on May 22, 2019, 11:48:03 AM
tbf the sdlp were always pro european so its fair to say that remainers should look to them.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: GJL on May 22, 2019, 12:10:15 PM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.

Seamus Mallon last week:

''I have come increasingly to the view that the Good Friday Agreement measurement of a bare majority (effectively 50%+1) for unity will not give us the kind of agreed and peaceful Ireland we seek.''


This is the GFA that he helped write...

Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 12:14:44 PM
Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: naka on May 22, 2019, 12:26:33 PM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.

Seamus Mallon last week:

''I have come increasingly to the view that the Good Friday Agreement measurement of a bare majority (effectively 50%+1) for unity will not give us the kind of agreed and peaceful Ireland we seek.''


This is the GFA that he helped write...
tbf GJL  the gfa is the best deal that could be cobbled together but as a community we are as divided as ever so i think its fair to say that the minimum majority for a UI will not give us a settled peace. i dont think he is saying anything that the vast majority of us realise.
for me 50% plus 1 woeks but i am not naive to realise the shit storm it will unfurl.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 22, 2019, 12:45:22 PM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.

Seamus Mallon last week:

''I have come increasingly to the view that the Good Friday Agreement measurement of a bare majority (effectively 50%+1) for unity will not give us the kind of agreed and peaceful Ireland we seek.''


This is the GFA that he helped write...
tbf GJL  the gfa is the best deal that could be cobbled together but as a community we are as divided as ever so i think its fair to say that the minimum majority for a UI will not give us a settled peace. i dont think he is saying anything that the vast majority of us realise.
for me 50% plus 1 woeks but i am not naive to realise the shit storm it will unfurl.

Agreed.
It will be 50% + 1
Something like a 60% in favour would be great but realistically nationalists are not going to wait another generation to get there.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2019, 12:45:43 PM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.

Seamus Mallon last week:

''I have come increasingly to the view that the Good Friday Agreement measurement of a bare majority (effectively 50%+1) for unity will not give us the kind of agreed and peaceful Ireland we seek.''


This is the GFA that he helped write...

Yes and SF signed up to it! If you think 50+1 will give us a peaceful United Ireland then you are delusional. Mallon is correct.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: general_lee on May 22, 2019, 12:50:12 PM
Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?
@DaireHughesSF has just tweeted a good summary of why Anderson should be 1st preference. Outperforms DUP/UUP combined over the last 5 years
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2019, 12:51:46 PM
Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?

SDLP are part of PES who have been vocal on a range of issues but importantly, migrant issues and workers rights. They also fully believe in the European project.
Others sit with Marxists and Communists. That's for them to explain.

Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 01:42:44 PM
Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?
@DaireHughesSF has just tweeted a good summary of why Anderson should be 1st preference. Outperforms DUP/UUP combined over the last 5 years

That tells us one thing. She turns up more often than Jim Nicholson or Diane Dodds. But I guess most people here are not considering voting for them or their parties. What is she actually doing and what effect does have? Her contributions to debates are weak just judging by the written record but when you add in the context of the dead of night to an empty hall and nobody engaging with her you realise how little she actually achieves
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: playwiththewind1st on May 22, 2019, 01:46:50 PM
I was in Strasbourg a couple of years ago. Contacted Anderson, Nicholson & Dodds about seeing the parliament - number of responses = zilch. Needless to say I won't be arsed going out tomorrow, if that's their attitude.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: trailer on May 22, 2019, 01:53:00 PM
I was in Strasbourg a couple of years ago. Contacted Anderson, Nicholson & Dodds about seeing the parliament - number of responses = zilch. Needless to say I won't be arsed going out tomorrow, if that's their attitude.

I honestly didn't know they were tour guides as well.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 01:53:08 PM
Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?

SDLP are part of PES who have been vocal on a range of issues but importantly, migrant issues and workers rights. They also fully believe in the European project.
Others sit with Marxists and Communists. That's for them to explain.

All accepted and Colum could hold his own. Donít think he is in Longís league plus Allianceís group whilst smaller is the power broker in the current parliament under Verhofstadt (that could change) and the Uk representation of that group is likely to increase with the remain vote going to Lib Dems. We need our voice inside that group
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: Tony Baloney on May 22, 2019, 02:01:37 PM
I was in Strasbourg a couple of years ago. Contacted Anderson, Nicholson & Dodds about seeing the parliament - number of responses = zilch. Needless to say I won't be arsed going out tomorrow, if that's their attitude.
Jim only has time to clock in before nipping back to the airport.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: APM on May 22, 2019, 02:22:03 PM
I was in Strasbourg a couple of years ago. Contacted Anderson, Nicholson & Dodds about seeing the parliament - number of responses = zilch. Needless to say I won't be arsed going out tomorrow, if that's their attitude.

If you do not feel that you are being properly represented you should vote for an alternative. The answer is never to opt out. This election will be interpreted as an endorsement or rejection of the referendum result.  Therefore, if you favour remain, you should vote for remain candidates who you can support.  There is a lot wrong with Europe, including the performance of elected representatives, but has there been a more important EU election here?  Since the referendum we have been represented 2 to 1 by Brexit supporting MEPs. Representation in Westminster for the north has been 10 to 1 for Brexit.  Neither situation reflects the views of the people as expressed in the Brexit referendum.  A vote for two Brexit supporting MEPs tomorrow will be seen as an endorsement of the leave vote and will be interpreted as a majority in NI for leave (however wrongly) and used accordingly.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: GJL on May 22, 2019, 02:29:34 PM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.

Seamus Mallon last week:

''I have come increasingly to the view that the Good Friday Agreement measurement of a bare majority (effectively 50%+1) for unity will not give us the kind of agreed and peaceful Ireland we seek.''


This is the GFA that he helped write...

Yes and SF signed up to it! If you think 50+1 will give us a peaceful United Ireland then you are delusional. Mallon is correct.

I'm not disputing that. I am however calling bullsh1t on your claim that..

''They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.''


Mallon has clearly changed his view in this instance.
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: smelmoth on May 22, 2019, 03:31:24 PM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.

Seamus Mallon last week:

''I have come increasingly to the view that the Good Friday Agreement measurement of a bare majority (effectively 50%+1) for unity will not give us the kind of agreed and peaceful Ireland we seek.''


This is the GFA that he helped write...

Yes and SF signed up to it! If you think 50+1 will give us a peaceful United Ireland then you are delusional. Mallon is correct.

I'm not disputing that. I am however calling bullsh1t on your claim that..

''They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.''


Mallon has clearly changed his view in this instance.

I always thought that 50%+1 wouldnít be a smooth transition. I am increasingly of that view. Have I clearly changed my mind?

Your example is shockingly poorly thought out
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: currychip on May 22, 2019, 03:57:38 PM
Given that an MEP will do zero to advance the case of Nationalism or Unionism does anyone want to make the case why there 1st preference will be the top performer in the role if elected?

SDLP are part of PES who have been vocal on a range of issues but importantly, migrant issues and workers rights. They also fully believe in the European project.
Others sit with Marxists and Communists. That's for them to explain.

All accepted and Colum could hold his own. Donít think he is in Longís league plus Allianceís group whilst smaller is the power broker in the current parliament under Verhofstadt (that could change) and the Uk representation of that group is likely to increase with the remain vote going to Lib Dems. We need our voice inside that group

You "Donít think he is in Longís league".  Wha?  I would be interested to hear what you might say to support that.  Both articulate their party position in engaging ways, with Long for me maybe being a bit preachy. 
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: GJL on May 22, 2019, 04:13:12 PM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.

Seamus Mallon last week:

''I have come increasingly to the view that the Good Friday Agreement measurement of a bare majority (effectively 50%+1) for unity will not give us the kind of agreed and peaceful Ireland we seek.''


This is the GFA that he helped write...

Yes and SF signed up to it! If you think 50+1 will give us a peaceful United Ireland then you are delusional. Mallon is correct.

I'm not disputing that. I am however calling bullsh1t on your claim that..

''They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.''


Mallon has clearly changed his view in this instance.

I always thought that 50%+1 wouldnít be a smooth transition. I am increasingly of that view. Have I clearly changed my mind?

Your example is shockingly poorly thought out

I could be wrong but I assume you did not help write the GFA?
Title: Re: Elections North and South
Post by: marty34 on May 22, 2019, 06:36:04 PM
When you vote Tomorrow in the North there is only 1 Pro European Nationalist candidate on the ballot. Always was Pro European and always campaigned positively for Europe. And most importantly campaigned for a Remain vote in the Brexit referendum. Only 1 on the ballot. If you're a pro European Nationalist then Colum Eastwood should get your 1st preference.

It's only in recent years the SDLP have started playing the nationalist card and that will stick in the craw for some of us.
 
They'll still get on my ballot paper, but they've a bit of work to do to build on those nationalist credentials a bit more yet.

Far too quick to lie down to big house Unionism in the past.
Too insignificant in recent years to matter.

When was this? At the birth of the Civil rights? When they campaigned for equality and the right to vote long before it became trendy? When they reached out to the IRA and convinced it's leadership of the benefits of a ceasefire or maybe when they helped to bring an end to 30 years of violence when they negotiated the GFA?

They're the only Nationalist Party on the Ballot who have been consistent in their Pro-European credentials. They don't change their view depending upon what others are for or against.

Seamus Mallon last week:

''I have come increasingly to the view that the Good Friday Agreement measurement of a bare majority (effectively 50%+1) for unity will not give us the kind of agreed and peaceful Ireland we seek.''


This is the GFA that he helped write...

Mallon wants a few soundbites...must have a book coming out...ohhh wait!