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Title: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: The PRO on February 28, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
Group A
Rathdowney-Errill
Ballinakill
Castletown
Portlaoise

Group B
Camross
Borris-Kilcotton
Clough-Ballacolla
Abbeyleix

Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: SCFC on February 28, 2019, 12:26:26 PM
B looks a bit stronger than A to my uneducated eye!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on February 28, 2019, 01:08:04 PM
Yes! Tough time for Abbeyleix!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Zooming around on February 28, 2019, 01:52:51 PM
I predict:

Portlaoise v Abbeyleix relegation final:

Outright Semi Finalists: Borris/Kilcotton and Rathdowney/Erill

Quarter Finals: Camross v Castletown and Ballinakil v Clough Ballacolla
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on February 28, 2019, 06:44:38 PM
I reckon Portlaoise will beat Castletown, and that Castletown will be relegated.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Moregroundhurling on February 28, 2019, 08:56:15 PM
Yes! Tough time for Abbeyleix!

In for three serious thumpings, which isn't great prep for a relegation final
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: G@@ on March 07, 2019, 10:53:49 PM
Ballinakill V Clough-Ballacolla Relegation with Ballinakill to drop down.

Group toppers: Rathdowney-Errill and Borris-Kilcotton meeting Camross and Portlaoise respectively.

Interesting Semi-Final with a repeat of last year's final who will probably lose to Borris-Kilcotton in the final.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on March 08, 2019, 06:26:47 AM
I donít quite understand the set-up for club hurling, yet. Is ďSenior BĒ a level just below ďSeniorĒ (kind of like Division 1B is just below Division 1A in the Allianz National Hurling League)?
 :-[
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 08, 2019, 08:25:38 AM
2-3 years ago Abbeyleix looked like a seriously young and up and coming team.  Where has that gone and why?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 08, 2019, 10:21:30 PM
I donít quite understand the set-up for club hurling, yet. Is ďSenior BĒ a level just below ďSeniorĒ (kind of like Division 1B is just below Division 1A in the Allianz National Hurling League)?
 :-[

Itís intermediate in all but name.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on June 29, 2019, 10:49:22 AM
Clough/Ballacolla beat Borris/Kilcotton last night to top Div 1 and qualify straight for the final.
BK will meet Camross in a semi-final on Wednesday.

Relegation remains uncertain. Rosenallis (cleverly I think) conceded their game to Rathdowney/Errill. It means if Abbeyleix beat The Harps next week, 4 teams will be tied on 4 points and score-difference can't be used to decide who goes down. It'll mean there'll be a 4-way playoff between Castletown, The Harps, Rosenallis and Abbeyleix.
If The Harps win, Abbeyleix go down unless Rathdowney/Errill intermediates win Div 1A.

Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on June 29, 2019, 11:17:20 PM
Clough/Ballacolla beat Borris/Kilcotton last night to top Div 1 and qualify straight for the final.
BK will meet Camross in a semi-final on Wednesday.

Relegation remains uncertain. Rosenallis (cleverly I think) conceded their game to Rathdowney/Errill. It means if Abbeyleix beat The Harps next week, 4 teams will be tied on 4 points and score-difference can't be used to decide who goes down. It'll mean there'll be a 4-way playoff between Castletown, The Harps, Rosenallis and Abbeyleix.
If The Harps win, Abbeyleix go down unless Rathdowney/Errill intermediates win Div 1A.

2nd year in a row that this has been pulled!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on July 09, 2019, 12:17:04 PM
Camross vs Clough/Ballacolla in the League Final tomorrow.

10 county panelists unavailable.

Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Don Draper on July 09, 2019, 12:17:44 PM
Camross vs Clough/Ballacolla in the League Final tomorrow.

10 county panelists unavailable.
Great to see TBF.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on July 09, 2019, 12:22:22 PM
Camross vs Clough/Ballacolla in the League Final tomorrow.

10 county panelists unavailable.
Great to see TBF.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on July 10, 2019, 11:23:05 PM
Camross full value for their league win tonight.
They set a standard that other teams can't match consistently.

Between them and Rathdowney/Errill for the championship again imo.
Borris/Kilcotton and Clough/Ballacolla best of the rest.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on July 16, 2019, 05:09:18 PM
I donít quite understand the set-up for club hurling, yet. Is ďSenior BĒ a level just below ďSeniorĒ (kind of like Division 1B is just below Division 1A in the Allianz National Hurling League)?
 :-[

Itís intermediate in all but name.
I see for the Adult Hurling Championship fixtures (on the Laois GAA website) there is now "Senior" and "Senior A" listed but no "Senior B." Is Senior A the rebranded Senior B?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: South Laois man on July 16, 2019, 05:41:44 PM
There was never a Senior B Mossy. It's been Senior and Senior A for the last few years. Senior A would of been Intermediate before this.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on July 16, 2019, 05:47:35 PM
There was never a Senior B Mossy. It's been Senior and Senior A for the last few years. Senior A would of been Intermediate before this.
Hmmm. Not sure where I picked up "Senior B." Thanks for setting me straight, South Laois Man.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 16, 2019, 05:54:05 PM
Yes Mossy.
It has been called Senior A and Senior B at various stages. Or at least referred to as Senior B. Not sure exactly when (& why). It is Intermediate and should be labelled as so. There is absolutely no good reason for it to be called otherwise. The winners proceed to the Leinster Intermediate Championship each year too.
It's not like a football situation either where they went from 16/18 teams down to a smaller number. The number of senior teams in Laois was always around 10/12. There aren't too many "traditional" senior teams in Senior A (or is it B?). I'd like to see a club bringing this change to the Laois Convention. I don't honestly think there would be resistance among the hurling clubs. Clubs who don't enter an adult hurling team should abstain!!!

Anyways Mossy, back to your question, the Senior (top grade championship) will always be labelled simply Senior.

While I am on this thread I'll give my predictions. I'd label Camross favourites, just ahead of Rathdowney Errill.
1. Camross
2. Rathdowney Errill
3. Borris Kilcotton
4. Clough Ballacolla
5. Ballinakill
6. Castletown
7. Abbeyleix
8. Portlaoise

Although Camross would have to top of the rankings, given their record over the last 2 years particularly, I think the winner will come from RE or BK. Despite a bit of age starting to creep in, I'll go with RE.
There is age (or experience depending on your outlook) with Campion, Fitz etc. Alan Delaney often plays a part too.
But when you add in Corrigan, Killeen, Kelly, Ryan, Purcell, King you have 5 of the best in the county.
Borris Kilcotton don't need any bigging up, I just think at least one of the teams coming out of Group A will suffer for how competitive and bruising the games could turn out to be. RE don't have that problem.

I think CB are a little off the top 3, and it's hard to see likes of Cleere, Dunphy, Picky and Bergin being able to account for the years in the legs elsewhere. Maybe not so different to RE's situation, but there has been a pattern of downing tools at least once a year in a big game over the past 4 years. Seem to be on a slide.

I think positions 5, 6 & 7 above are fairly interchangeable. All of them are capable of running any team close once a year, but none will do it consistently. Abbeyleix would probably need 3 big results just to get to a semi final. Castletown and Ballinakill are as likely to be relegated as appear in a semi final. Ballinakill have turned up consistently for the championship for the last 4/5 years, Castletown haven't.

I could well be proved wrong, but Portlaoise to me are the ones who will struggle most.

Round 1 predictions;
Castletown V Portlaoise
Rathdowney Errrill v Ballinakill
Camross v Borris Kilcotton
Abbeyleix v Clough Ballacolla
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on July 16, 2019, 06:09:36 PM

Round 1 predictions;
Castletown V Portlaoise
Rathdowney Errrill v Ballinakill
Camross v Borris Kilcotton
Abbeyleix v Clough Ballacolla

I'll go with Portlaoise, R/E, Camross and C/B to win the opening round of games. Some very close calls though. Camross V B/K and PL V Castletown are two games I definitely wouldn't bet on..
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on July 16, 2019, 06:33:25 PM
Yes Mossy.
It has been called Senior A and Senior B at various stages. Or at least referred to as Senior B. Not sure exactly when (& why). It is Intermediate and should be labelled as so. There is absolutely no good reason for it to be called otherwise. The winners proceed to the Leinster Intermediate Championship each year too.
...
Thanks for clearing that up for me!  :)
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on July 16, 2019, 07:32:53 PM
Just as an extra bit of info. The competition was first "created" in 2013. This was in order to streamline our top 4 divisions into 4 divisions of 8 teams.
Senior
Senior A (Or B: I checked it out and it was known as Senior B in 2013 & 2014, and Senior A since.)
Intermediate
Junior A

They all followed the same format, and a particularly good format in my opinion!

The winners since it began have generally been the team relegated from Senior the previous year, with Ballyfin Gaels (Ballyfin and Mountmellick) being an exception in 2017

2013 Abbeyleix (beat Ballyfin comfortably. Both teams had been relegated in 2012 to bring the number in senior down to 8 teams)
2014- Ballinakill (beat Mountrath comfortably. Ballinakill had been relegated in a playoff v The Harps in 2013)
2015- Portlaoise (beat Clonaslee in a tight game. Portlaoise had been relegated in a playoff v Borris Kilcotton in 2014)
2016- Castletown (beat Ballyfin Gaels with last puck of the game. Castletown had been relegated in playoff v The Harps in 2015)
2017- Ballyfin Gaels (beat Colt Gaels  by 3 points (Colt & Clonad). The Harps were relegated in a playoff v Portlaoise in 2016, first team not to come straight back up. But The Harps represented Laois in the Leinster IHC as Gaels teams are not permitted- ruling out both finalists. A playoff (like a 3rd place play off) was called between the losing semi finalists. Rosenallis conceded and The Harps played in Leinster, losting the first round)
2018- Portlaoise (beat The Harps by 2 points. Portlaoise had been relegated in a playoff v Castletown in 2017).

So, apart from 2017, each year the winner has been the team who came down the previous year. Ballyfin Gaels were relegated last year in a playoff v Castletown Gaels. However, Gaels teams are no longer allowed take part in the Senior A championship, so Ballyfin are now on their own, and wouldn't be favourites to win it this year. The Harps warm favourites, and Rosenallis 2nd favourites in my book.

In the past (pre 2013) there was an intermittent Senior B competition for teams who didn't make Senior Quarter Finals. Sometimes it was known as Senior B, sometimes it was known as Senior Shield, sometimes the winners were awarded the Palmer Cup, sometimes it never happened at all!

There is actually a good results archive section on the Laois GAA website that might interest you Bruce, but it only goes back as far as 2011.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on July 16, 2019, 08:25:22 PM
This is some great background information (I'm going to print it out). I really appreciate you taking the time to type it out and post it, Keyser!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on July 17, 2019, 05:22:38 PM
I won't quote the entire message but I think that's a fair appraisal Keyser.
Camross are worthy champions and it'd take a foolish man to back against them completing the treble.
I do think Zane Keenan is a huge loss and although they had 6 lads with the County, I don't think they will reinforce their panel to the same extent as Rathdowney/Errill.
RE look very strong to me. Jack Kelly and Mark Kavanagh are legitimate shouts to get All-Star nominations, Paddy Purcell will be bouncing into O' Moore Park come Championship and Eric Killeen looks to be hitting top form at the right time. Their 5th county panelist is Ross King who will be gunning to make up for last year's disappointment.
Add to that mix the likes of Paddy McCane, Tadhg Dowling, Joe Fitzpatrick, James Ryan, Brian Campion and Jimmy Corrigan and it all looks like it should come together for them.
Some question marks persist around their keeper but they have the softer side of the draw and you'd imagine they have three games to iron out most of their creases.

I'm inclined to put Borris/Kilcotton and Clough/Ballacolla a little behind RE and Camross.
BK look too have a few too many chiefs and not enough Indians. The potential is unquestionably there but their league form stuttered towards the end and questions remain. Aaron Dunphy could, however, light up this championship and the wide open spaces of OMP should really suit them.
The same can't be said about CB. They looked leggy in the second half of the League Final and will need their county players to reintegrate very quickly before the big games against BK and Camross. I do think they'll account for Abbeyleix but after that, I just don't know.

They are definitely the top 4 as things stand.

Ballinakill's league form appears desperate and as always, so much depends on Cha. With Eamon Jackman and Seamus Dwyer involved with Kilkenny club teams, the burden might be too great for him to shoulder.

Portlaoise were only marginally better in the league but should account for two second teams to earn their way back into Div 1 for next year. They'll be happy with their draw and with the momentum of 2018 behind them, I think they'll possibly make a quarter-final.

Castletown will be boosted by a resurgent and rejuvenated Ryan Mullaney who has realised his real potential this year. They don't have the firepower to win a championship but have shown they can upset one of the big boys. I think they'll be safe.

Abbeyleix are hard to gauge. A young team with a shallow panel. Their league was poor but if they're short a couple, it weakens them more than others. They've gotten a tough draw and it's hard to see anything but a relegation final. If they are competitive then the higher standard might stand to them but if they ship a couple of heavy losses, as I think they will to BK especially, then their appetite for battle might not be what's needed.

Prediction:
RE to beat Camross
BK and CB semi-finalists
Ballinakill to beat Abbeyleix in the relegation final.
Hurler of the Year: Paddy Purcell
Top Scorer from Play: Aaron Dunphy
Young Hurler: Andrew Mortimor
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on July 17, 2019, 10:57:20 PM
Portlaoise lost to Clough/Ballacolla's second team tonight.
It means that CB will contest the 1A Final against Rathdowney/Errill and there will be no relegation playoff between Rosenallis and The Harps.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on August 01, 2019, 07:16:48 PM
Fancy Castletown to account for Portlaoise tonight.
I think they'll have a bit more about them in the middle third of the pitch.

Prediction: Castletown 1.18 - 0.16 Portlaoise
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Batman!!! on August 03, 2019, 11:37:19 PM
Eddie Brennan should get a gold medal. Standard of our championship has been woeful.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 03, 2019, 11:46:47 PM
The change of format doesn't help at all. The previous format was very cut & thrust. Awaiting a draw after each round, trying to avoid certain teams etc. This format, to me, has removed that excitement and unpredictability. Back to the dreary plotting and planning ahead.

Under the old format, tomorrow evening you would have Borris, Ballacolla, Castletown & probably Rathdowney going into a hat.  3 of them hoping for Castletown.
Similarly you would have had Camross, Portlaoise, Abbeyleix & probably Ballinakill. 3 of them praying they didn't get Camross.

This new format in it's second year has done nothing to improve standards, interest, excitement or attendance. Time to revert!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mad Mentor on August 04, 2019, 12:36:54 AM
The conditions this evening had a huge effect. The u20 match earlier was the same.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Ogie on August 05, 2019, 02:39:20 PM
Thoughts after the first round?

The gap between the top 4 & second 4 appears to be growing bigger, Portlaoise & Castletown  was of a very poor standard, Abbeyleix & Ballinakill both beaten easily.

Borris Kilcotton with a good performance should have won by more and been out of sight earlier, it will be a big confidence boost for them. Camross will regroup no doubt

Rathdowney Errill were at their ease but looked the class act of the weekend
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on August 05, 2019, 03:40:25 PM
Thoughts after the first round?

The gap between the top 4 of second 4 appears to be growing bigger, Portlaoise & Castletown  was of a very poor standard, Abbeyleix & Ballinakill both beaten easily.

Borris Kilcotton with a good performance should have won by more and been out of sight earlier, it will be a big confidence boost for them. Camross will regroup no doubt

Rathdowney Errill were at their ease but looked the class act of the weekend

Think it's more a big 3 than a big 4. I don't think Clough-Ballacolla are strong enough anymore to challenge the top dogs.

Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 05, 2019, 08:59:02 PM
The change of format doesn't help at all. The previous format was very cut & thrust. Awaiting a draw after each round, trying to avoid certain teams etc. This format, to me, has removed that excitement and unpredictability. Back to the dreary plotting and planning ahead.

Under the old format, tomorrow evening you would have Borris, Ballacolla, Castletown & probably Rathdowney going into a hat.  3 of them hoping for Castletown.
Similarly you would have had Camross, Portlaoise, Abbeyleix & probably Ballinakill. 3 of them praying they didn't get Camross.

This new format in it's second year has done nothing to improve standards, interest, excitement or attendance. Time to revert!

The format wonít fix much at this time. 3 or 4 years ago Clough Ballacolla, Abbeyleix and Ballinakill were competitive. Hard to see any of them being competitors now and Portlaoise look intermediate standard. Castletown are the only improving senior team with a pipeline but are still a good bit back as yet.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: ottoman on August 06, 2019, 09:30:41 AM
The change of format doesn't help at all. The previous format was very cut & thrust. Awaiting a draw after each round, trying to avoid certain teams etc. This format, to me, has removed that excitement and unpredictability. Back to the dreary plotting and planning ahead.

Under the old format, tomorrow evening you would have Borris, Ballacolla, Castletown & probably Rathdowney going into a hat.  3 of them hoping for Castletown.
Similarly you would have had Camross, Portlaoise, Abbeyleix & probably Ballinakill. 3 of them praying they didn't get Camross.

This new format in it's second year has done nothing to improve standards, interest, excitement or attendance. Time to revert!

The format wonít fix much at this time. 3 or 4 years ago Clough Ballacolla, Abbeyleix and Ballinakill were competitive. Hard to see any of them being competitors now and Portlaoise look intermediate standard. Castletown are the only improving senior team with a pipeline but are still a good bit back as yet.

A bit understated to say Clough Ballacolla were only 'competitive' 3 or 4 years ago. Considering they won it 4 years ago and were pipped by a point in the final 2 years ago. Yes their not the same team but they are well ahead of Abbeyleix and Ballinakill to their credit.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on August 06, 2019, 11:03:20 AM
To be fair, that 2017 final is a bit of an outlier as their form in 16 and 18 was very poor. I think they're still contenders but it's fair to see they need an awful lot to go right for them. They did make a League Final do they have a certain depth to their panel, its just whether they can get enough out of their established players in O'Moore Park.

I think Castletown have improved and played some nice hurling last Thursday. They have a good spine and a decent spread of scorers. Portlaoise dragged themselves back into the game and for a spell, seemed to have the momentum but they fell just short. Think they'll stay up though.

I also saw RE and Ballinakill on Sunday and it was clinical from RE. The contest was over after 10 minutes and I really would be worried about Ballinakill. They'll have one more kick in them and could certainly make a quarter-final still but they're on a downward trajectory and with their underage setup now formally aligned with Abbeyleix, it seems fair to suggest that amalgamation isn't completely dead just yet.

I wasn't at the games on Saturday. Camross minus Keenan and Dowling were always likely to feel the pressure and from what I've heard, BK spurned then chances to have made it more comfortable in the first half. Looking at the programme, they have some serious firepower. Themselves and RE look to have very settled line-ups and its hard to see any weaknesses therein.

Abbeyleix and CB went almost to script it seemed. We probably knew Abbeyleix would target this game and it took CB a while to get on top. When they did, they had the individual hurlers to close it.

One further observation, a couple of years ago I was sure the 8-team championships were hurting some of the lower-ranked Senior A sides. Having seen both senior A and senior games over the last week, I think the gap has closed between the weaker senior teams and the senior A...the problem is, I think this is due to declining standards at senior rather than any massive improvements below.

Just something to keep an eye on moving forward.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 06, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
The change of format doesn't help at all. The previous format was very cut & thrust. Awaiting a draw after each round, trying to avoid certain teams etc. This format, to me, has removed that excitement and unpredictability. Back to the dreary plotting and planning ahead.

Under the old format, tomorrow evening you would have Borris, Ballacolla, Castletown & probably Rathdowney going into a hat.  3 of them hoping for Castletown.
Similarly you would have had Camross, Portlaoise, Abbeyleix & probably Ballinakill. 3 of them praying they didn't get Camross.

This new format in it's second year has done nothing to improve standards, interest, excitement or attendance. Time to revert!

The format wonít fix much at this time. 3 or 4 years ago Clough Ballacolla, Abbeyleix and Ballinakill were competitive. Hard to see any of them being competitors now and Portlaoise look intermediate standard. Castletown are the only improving senior team with a pipeline but are still a good bit back as yet.

A bit understated to say Clough Ballacolla were only 'competitive' 3 or 4 years ago. Considering they won it 4 years ago and were pipped by a point in the final 2 years ago. Yes their not the same team but they are well ahead of Abbeyleix and Ballinakill to their credit.

Fair enough - CB were one of the form teams up to about 2 years ago. They were poor last year and look to be ageing. Their senior success was built on the back of a run of very strong minor teams which has dried up in the last few years as you would expect from a fairly small rural club. No disrespect intended and hopefully things turn around. The general point I was making is that there are fewer strong senior teams in the last couple of years due to a drop (temporary I would imagine) in the form of some of the better clubs. I also agree they are a good bit stronger than Ballinakill or Abbeyleix and still have plenty of very strong hurlers. Even if you include CB in a top 4, there is a chasm down to the next level of Ballinakill, Portlaoise, Abbeyleix and to a lesser extent Castletown at this stage. Not that it was ever any different in Laois mind you. Historically in any given year there have been a max of 4 really competitive teams.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: ottoman on August 06, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
The change of format doesn't help at all. The previous format was very cut & thrust. Awaiting a draw after each round, trying to avoid certain teams etc. This format, to me, has removed that excitement and unpredictability. Back to the dreary plotting and planning ahead.

Under the old format, tomorrow evening you would have Borris, Ballacolla, Castletown & probably Rathdowney going into a hat.  3 of them hoping for Castletown.
Similarly you would have had Camross, Portlaoise, Abbeyleix & probably Ballinakill. 3 of them praying they didn't get Camross.

This new format in it's second year has done nothing to improve standards, interest, excitement or attendance. Time to revert!

The format wonít fix much at this time. 3 or 4 years ago Clough Ballacolla, Abbeyleix and Ballinakill were competitive. Hard to see any of them being competitors now and Portlaoise look intermediate standard. Castletown are the only improving senior team with a pipeline but are still a good bit back as yet.

A bit understated to say Clough Ballacolla were only 'competitive' 3 or 4 years ago. Considering they won it 4 years ago and were pipped by a point in the final 2 years ago. Yes their not the same team but they are well ahead of Abbeyleix and Ballinakill to their credit.

Fair enough - CB were one of the form teams up to about 2 years ago. They were poor last year and look to be ageing. Their senior success was built on the back of a run of very strong minor teams which has dried up in the last few years as you would expect from a fairly small rural club. No disrespect intended and hopefully things turn around. The general point I was making is that there are fewer strong senior teams in the last couple of years due to a drop (temporary I would imagine) in the form of some of the better clubs. I also agree they are a good bit stronger than Ballinakill or Abbeyleix and still have plenty of very strong hurlers. Even if you include CB in a top 4, there is a chasm down to the next level of Ballinakill, Portlaoise, Abbeyleix and to a lesser extent Castletown at this stage. Not that it was ever any different in Laois mind you. Historically in any given year there have been a max of 4 really competitive teams.

Agree, this year it does look like a shoot-out between only B/K, R/E and Camross to see who claims the crown. However, there has been far less competitive years in Laois hurling down through the decades. This year I think Rathdowney/Erill will have too much for the rest.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 06, 2019, 12:57:16 PM
Sense of deja-vu in Camross losing their first game again this year. I'm sure it will have a galvanizing effect. Essentially, all the rest of their matches will be like knock out for them. This gave them an edge over Rathdowney Errill last year. It is highly likely that RE and BK will top the two groups. Are the semis an open draw?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Ogie on August 16, 2019, 01:19:22 PM
Thoughts before round 2 gents?
Clough Ballacolla v Borris Kilcotton - should be the game of the weekend, donít understand people here writing off CB, I still think they have serious quality throughout & they will be itching to right the beatings of the last two years, I expect them to throw the kitchen sink tonight at BK, who themselves will be heartened by there last win, if the serious firepower clicks again (interesting to see who picks up Aaron dunphy at full forward) this evening will be hard to live with but I think theyíll face a big battle, have a sneaky feeling for CB. Hope not!

Ballinakill v Portlaoise - both teams trying to recover from poor first round showings, again I think thereís more in Ballinakill who were put to the sword early by a quality Rathdowney Errill, I think theyíll have regrouped and target this game to avoid relegation, Ballinakill for me

Camross Abbeyleix
Camross have regrouped and gone back old school and old heads in  as only they do best, Abbeyleix will suffer the backlash

Rathdowney Errill v Castletown
Castletown too will be full of confidence after first round but their facing a much better team this time, Rathdowney Errill donít slip up in these games - Rathdowney Errill
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on August 16, 2019, 02:15:00 PM
I'll go with Borris-Kilcotton to edge the game tonight, Ballinakill to have the experience to beat Portlaoise, Camross to hammer Abbeyleix and Rathdowney-Errill to win but Castletown to give them a game of it.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on August 16, 2019, 03:56:47 PM
Fancy Borris/Kilcotton tonight. I actually think it'll be their defence that wins it as I think CB will be determined to keep out goals. The BK forward line is rapid and I just can't see CB living with them without a high free count and dropping bodies back. With all eyes on Aaron Dunphy, I could see PJ Scully posting a huge score from play and placed balls.
At the other end, Picky Maher and Willie Dunphy would need massive performances and I dont see the likes of Matthew, Butch or Stephen Finan allowing that.
BK by 8 but after a battle.

I'm going to go against the grain and back Portlaoise to beat Ballinakill. I think Ballinakill are in big trouble. A poor league and they were completely blown out of the water the last day. They've regressed and I think if Portlaoise can limit Cha to 4/5 points then they might have the firepower to come out with the win.
Portlaoise by 2 in a low-scorer.

Camross should beat Abbeyleix. Abbeyleix might feel they had their chance against CB but I have a niggely feeling it might not be as one-sided as some think. Camross without Keenan are vulnerable. Abbeyleix kept out goals against CB and if they can replicate that feat, they might just have a chance.
I'll go with Camross by 5 but I think it'll be close enough for a long time.

Rathdowney/Errill and Castletown might tell us a little lore about this group. RE dismantled B/kill the last day and I can't see it being as comfortable this weekend. I think they'll win but Castletown could well cause them troubles and if memory serves, they did beat them in the league. RE are, of course, a different animal with their county contingent back and I do see them as the team to beat this year.
RE by 6.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on August 16, 2019, 05:38:18 PM
All sensible stuff above.
I'd go with

Clough Ballacolla to pull one over on B/K (and it could stand to B/K in the long run). Clough Ballacolla need to beat one of the big boys again to prove to themselves they can win a county final.

I think Ballinakill will be under serious pressure to beat Portlaoise. Way more pressure on Ballinakill. I think they are the type of team that Portlaoise will relish playing. Portlaoise will struggle against a team with a spread of quality hurlers. They can handle a team that aren't as balanced around the edges. Portlaoise for me.
(And if so, this group could come down to scoring difference in the wind up!)

Cannot see anything bar a Camross win. Despite losing the last day they showed they aren't reliant on Zane. Expect their freetaking to be tidier too. However, these are the games they haven't really been getting themselves up for over the last few years. I don't think it will be a massacre.

Likewise, Castletown won't live with the R/E attack. I think there was 20+ plus points in it last year,  that's probably not a true reflection on the gap, but would expect it to creep towards double figures with R/E winning.

Clough Ballacolla by 5
Portlaoise by 3
Camross by 8
Rathdowney Errill by 12
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on August 16, 2019, 09:23:52 PM
Good call on the Ballacolla game, anyway! And I'd agree w/ your hunch re. Portlaoise. In a way, I'd like to see them stay up, give them something to build on.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on August 16, 2019, 09:55:53 PM
Borris-Kilcotton were not up for it tonight at all. Hard to call anything from these group stages. We'll only know how these teams rank up when we get to the knockout stages.

Clough-Ballacolla have a great chance at topping the group now. Doubt Camross or Borris-Kilcotton are all that worried though, they'll likely play one of Castletown, Ballinakill or Portlaoise in the quarters. That won't faze either in the slightest.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on August 18, 2019, 10:04:52 PM
Fair play Keyser. Didn't see that Clough/Ballacolla result coming after the first round of games. Puts them back in the picture. Doubt Borris-Kilcotton will be overly concerned and they'll make a semi-final at the very least.

Was at the three matches on Saturday and the quality was pretty poor. Ballinakill were better than I expected and Portlaoise a little poorer. They got their scores a little easier and they were physically dominant for long periods. Portlaoise are facing a relegation Play-off and I'd be very worried they'll be going in off the back of a serious thumping from Rathdowney/Errill.

Camross had enough to see off a spirited Abbeyleix team. Abbeyleix look to be trying to do the right things but some of their shooting was woeful. I've said it before, they just don't carry any kind of goal threat. Their full-forward line can't win their own ball and it means they're forced into shooting from outside their comfort zones.
Camross will be satisfied that they've won and realistically in a quarter-final at worst. Andrew Collier back in the forwards looks a good move and their full-back line was excellent. Changes like that can make a huge difference and I think Andrew will bring great athleticism to the forward line. It might free up some of the attention that had been reserved for Ciaran.

Rathdowney/Errill were impressive enough in dismissing Castletown. They didn't need to be at their best but they just look so strong all over the field. Madden in the goals will only get better and he has a rock solid defence in front of him. John Purcell looks at home at corner back and how couldn't he when there's an intercounty-level half-back line in front of him!
Up front, they have scores coming from everywhere. Tadhg Dowling looks as fit as I've ever seen him and James Ryan, John Keane and Paddy McCane supplement the power and precision of Roddy King, Mark Kav and Paddy Purcell.
Going to take a hell of a team to stop them.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: G@@ on September 04, 2019, 09:20:05 PM
What date is the County Final this year?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on September 06, 2019, 05:19:01 PM
What date is the County Final this year?

We should be back on schedule now after the EP break.

Last round of the group stages this weekend.

Quarters and Relegation Final on 21st/22nd September.
Semi-finals on 5th/6th October.
Final on Sunday 20th October.
I haven't seen that written down anywhere but I'd expect it to be accurate.

Borris/Kilcotton should account for Abbeyleix tomorrow. If they get ahead early, they could post a decisive margin and could still top the group.
A draw would do CB against Camross. Both teams will know what they need going into the game which will add a strange element to proceedings.

RE will beat Portlaoise and if they are ruthless, it could be heavy.
Ballinakill and Castletown will be close and I've a slight feeling that Ballinakill might have timed things better than I gave them credit for earlier in the summer.

Borris/Kilcotton and Rathdowney/Errill with very tentative nods to Camross and Ballinakill.

That'll leave my predictions for the knockouts as follows:
BK and RE to the semi-finals with Camross vs Castletown and Ballinakill vs CB.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 06, 2019, 06:25:49 PM
I'd differ a little from Merman's predictions.

Saturday
Abbeyleix v Borris Kilcotton
I think Abbeyleix will go after this game, a nothing to lose situation. Amazingly it could qualify them for the quarters. I can see Borris Kilcotton hitting them consistently if not persistently on the break for goals. I think BK will rack up 3/4 goals and win by about 10 points over a game Abbeyleix team.

Camross v Clough Ballacolla
Despite CB's excellent form to date I would expect Camross to win this and lay down a little reminder to all who challenge, but it will be tight. Camross certainly won't open a pathway to their full back line like BK did. In that circumstance I can see Camross out goaling CB and winning by 4/5. On the other hand, we haven't had a draw yet!

Sunday
Rathdowney Errill v Portlaoise
Interesting to see what approach RE take. Their second team is gone, and with the Laois grading system there is no barrier to bringing guys up en masse. It could be a time for shaking things up with the starting 15 and creating a very competitive training environment for the next month. There aren't wholesale options in their Intermediate side however, and I think it's a year or two early for Thep to be making a mark among the big boys, especially in October. This looks like it would be the perfect place for him to start though.
No disrespect to Portlaoise, but it is very difficult to see anything good coming out of this. RE by 15.

Ballinakill v Castletown
I regularly underestimate Ballinakill, and often in error. Merman makes the point that they may have timed their run cleverly, and if so the fixtures fell nicely for that plan. It would be typical of their pragmatism. Rightly or wrongly I think Castletown have a better spread of good hurlers (Dylan Conroy, Ben Reddin, John Gaughan, Joe Phelan etc) outside of the main 2/3 guys on each side. This should see them through by 5 or 6 points, but the reverse certainly wouldn't be a shock.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 07, 2019, 09:35:22 PM
I know it's only the group stages, but Camross don't look like the same animal they were. If they can get back Zane Keenan in time for the semi-finals (presuming they win in the quarters), perhaps they can still mount a challenge.

For now it looks like it's between C/B, B/K and R/E though. B/K will improve as they go on. C/B are maybe peaking a little too early, while R/E haven't been tested at all yet.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 07, 2019, 09:49:57 PM
C/B are playing to a very set plan. Perhaps they showed glimpses of it during the league but it didnít look all put together, whether it was partially withheld or a work in progress.
They look solid & well set up. Half forward line are covering serious ground and importantly they are finding them from the back. Totally took the likes of Gearůid Burke out of tonightís game.i didnít think at the start of the year they had a title in them. The late return of Hyland could yet turn out to be a major blessing in disguise.

Camross are far from gone, and there will be plenty of wound licking, and most likely a bounce.i donít think there is a final in them.

Anyone know what the story with Eoin Reilly is? Heíll surely reappear for the relegation playoff?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 07, 2019, 09:52:33 PM
Shadow boxing.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 07, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Shadow boxing.

Not sure exactly what you are referring to. But I donít necessarily think so.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on September 07, 2019, 11:02:25 PM
No, I don't think Camross were shadow boxing. They wanted to win, and I'm glad they didn't - especially after their corner-forward went down and tried to get a Ballacolla lad sent off for the slightest jostle. Terrible. Mind you, Willie Dunphy was at the same crack. However, C/B had by far the better performers and put together better plays. The stop-start nature of proceedings was annoying, with PLENTY of frees, and it wasn't much of a spectacle.
What's the story w/ Eoin Gaughan - why wasn't he starting? And for a lad who's often touted as a potential Laois player, Ciaran Collier had a quiet enough night.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Batman!!! on September 08, 2019, 05:36:32 PM
Who reffed it? Had to leave after the first game yesterday. Thought Stapleton was so slow getting around the field.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 08, 2019, 06:50:37 PM
Who reffed it? Had to leave after the first game yesterday. Thought Stapleton was so slow getting around the field.

Very harsh. He couldn't have been because he didn't budge from the middle of the field!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Batman!!! on September 08, 2019, 07:15:47 PM
Iíll take it back so!  ;)
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: steven seagal on September 08, 2019, 08:24:46 PM
Four very poor games over the weekend, the Rathdowney-Errill v Portlaoise and Borris-Kilcotton v Abbeyleix games were complete non-events. The other two were a bit more competitive but not still not particularly good games. Hopefully things improve in the knockout stages.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on September 08, 2019, 08:30:46 PM
I'd say Castletown will be kicking their lips at playing their rivals Camross, who aren't hurling well so far. Borris-Kilcottom will take care of Ballinakill fairly easily I'd imagine.

The real championship probably won't start until the semi-final stage though.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 09, 2019, 09:55:50 AM
I'd say Castletown will be kicking their lips at playing their rivals Camross, who aren't hurling well so far. Borris-Kilcottom will take care of Ballinakill fairly easily I'd imagine.

The real championship probably won't start until the semi-final stage though.

This is what I meant by shadow boxing. I believe that you will see a different Camross by the semis. Not that they weren't trying against C/B or B/K but they were a mile away from the intensity they normally show. Can't see Castletown getting anywhere near them in the quarters.

How do the semi draws work? I assume it has to be an open draw if Camross and B/K prevail as both have played Ballacolla already?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Don Draper on September 09, 2019, 10:05:33 AM
I'd say Castletown will be kicking their lips at playing their rivals Camross, who aren't hurling well so far. Borris-Kilcottom will take care of Ballinakill fairly easily I'd imagine.

The real championship probably won't start until the semi-final stage though.

This is what I meant by shadow boxing. I believe that you will see a different Camross by the semis. Not that they weren't trying against C/B or B/K but they were a mile away from the intensity they normally show. Can't see Castletown getting anywhere near them in the quarters.

How do the semi draws work? I assume it has to be an open draw if Camross and B/K prevail as both have played Ballacolla already?
No Zane, no party.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: redsetanta on September 09, 2019, 11:01:55 AM
What date the semi finals?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Helix. on September 09, 2019, 11:59:15 AM
I'd say Castletown will be kicking their lips at playing their rivals Camross, who aren't hurling well so far. Borris-Kilcottom will take care of Ballinakill fairly easily I'd imagine.

The real championship probably won't start until the semi-final stage though.

This is what I meant by shadow boxing. I believe that you will see a different Camross by the semis. Not that they weren't trying against C/B or B/K but they were a mile away from the intensity they normally show. Can't see Castletown getting anywhere near them in the quarters.

How do the semi draws work? I assume it has to be an open draw if Camross and B/K prevail as both have played Ballacolla already?
No Zane, no party.

Camross intermediates were decent yesterday against Clough Ballacolla which was the most entertaining game Iíd say over the weekend. Oisin Bennett would be pushing to be involved with seniors but not till after intermediate final. Think he got about 2:4 from play and got on savage amount of ball. Matthew Collier surely will go up aswell once thatís over. Been very decent for the games Iíve seen to date.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on September 13, 2019, 08:23:21 AM
this is a great championship and it is wide open. camross,b/k, c/b and r/e all have a chance and its hard to call and castletown have a good young team coming through again but i think its a bit early for them this year. ballinakill are safe but i cant see them upsetting the odds
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on September 20, 2019, 09:19:53 AM
any1 got any update on zane keenan for the weekend
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on September 20, 2019, 01:00:16 PM
any1 got any update on zane keenan for the weekend

Apparently well-ahead of schedule.
I'd be hopeful that he'll be fit to take some part.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on September 21, 2019, 09:38:49 AM
No sign of Zane but signs of progress for Camross.
They were stunned in the first half but utterly dominant in the second. To be fair to the Camross management, they have improved noticeably in the second half of games against BK, Abbeyleix and now Castletown. That'll stand them in good stead in a semi-final where they may go in as slight outsiders, especially if they draw Rathdowney/Errill.

Can only see a pretty comfortable BK win tomorrow. I can't see how Ballinakill will have the legs in defence to live with the BK forwards.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Don Draper on September 21, 2019, 12:18:27 PM
Teams will regret not having killed off Camross by now
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on September 21, 2019, 01:08:56 PM
Don't really know what happened Castletown in the second half - fumbling, over-hit passes, poor decisions. Didn't score for something like the last 15 mins. Lighter and younger than Camross, who dominated the physical stakes in the second half.
Stapleton not too whistle-happy, which I'd consider a good thing, even if a few fouls were missed. Much rather it that way than the other.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Batman!!! on September 21, 2019, 09:37:53 PM
He then thought the car park was a boxing ring. Another shameful evening for laois gaa referees again. When will they learn?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on September 22, 2019, 11:12:25 AM
Castletown on the up again. Give them few years and they will be competing again
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Helix. on September 22, 2019, 07:22:15 PM
Castletown on the up again. Give them few years and they will be competing again
Young team thatíll surely kick on in a few years. Portlaoise back down to senior B again. Horrible conditions in Colt. Abbeyleix got the goals at the right time. Just about deserved the win. Yo yo ing up and down frustrating to see where Portlaoise will go next.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on September 23, 2019, 09:08:35 AM
semi finals as perdicted. now the real stuff starts
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: les Antiques on September 23, 2019, 12:26:09 PM
He then thought the car park was a boxing ring. Another shameful evening for laois gaa referees again. When will they learn?

😂 shameful evening for laois referees ?  It wasn't that bad Batman . 
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Spiritof1915 on September 23, 2019, 01:15:41 PM
Sad to see Portlaoise dropping down again. In the absence of tommy and Healy no leaders showed.
I fear for them going forward.
With the exception of the u15s their competing at B level underage so the future is not promising.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: clonadmad on September 23, 2019, 02:58:21 PM
Sad to see Portlaoise dropping down again. In the absence of tommy and Healy no leaders showed.
I fear for them going forward.
With the exception of the u15s their competing at B level underage so the future is not promising.

Portlaoise at Juvenile level arenít even competitive in the B in most age grades bar minor,didnít even bother to enter a Feile team this year.

Said it before and will say it again,Juvenile hurling in Portlaoise is in crisis.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on September 23, 2019, 10:02:40 PM
Was away and missed the games at the weekend.

Sounds like Camross are building.
Castletown possibly building, but these kind of defeats can leave scars.
Ballinakill look finished to me.
Borris Kilcotton will hardly have learned anything?
Portlaoise are in a very strange place. I wouldn't have them as favourites to win Senior A next year.

I think Rathdowney Errill will have gotten the draw they really wanted. This will surely focus their minds and help offset the cobwebs that may have settled over the last 2/3 months. I reckon Camross would have loved anyone bar R/E. I cannot see them having the legs.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on October 01, 2019, 12:56:59 PM
any taughts for weekend

clough ballacolla for the first one

depending on zane keenan for the second, any1 any update on him?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on October 01, 2019, 01:09:59 PM
They reckoned he'd be ready for the semi-final. Mind you, I don't think his presence alone will swing it for them.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Zooming around on October 01, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
any taughts for weekend

clough ballacolla for the first one

depending on zane keenan for the second, any1 any update on him?

Borris and Rathdowney/Errill for me. Both teams have good scoring potential. The conditions will make a bollix of it though.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Silkyskillssunshinee on October 01, 2019, 01:35:51 PM
I think Camross will get a lot closer to R/E than the form lines would indicate. Still, R/E have quality everywhere and I expect them to come through.

Borris-Kilcotton and Clough-Ballacolla is more difficult to call. Neil Foyle and Aaron Dunphy need to take some of the scoring mantle off PJ Scully. If they can perform, Borris-Kilcotton might just edge it.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on October 04, 2019, 08:17:06 AM
The sodden pitches might help the outsiders this weekend.
Bookies siding with RE and BK and I think that's fair giving what we know about all 4 teams. Injuries might be telling and I think 3 of the 4 might be short players from the semi-finals.

CB are playing to a very defined system and are getting huge numbers into the middle third. They've been intelligent with their use of the ball but the pressures of a semi-final and the conditions will challenge them. Still, they'll bring a physicality that BK won't enjoy and the message will be to keep goals out.
BK haven't caught fire yet and with the exceptions of Scully and Campion, their forwards have been pretty lacklustre. Its hard to imagine they don't have a sting in the tail and I just think individually, they might have the edge.
BK by 3.

RE should win this. All form lines tell us that but the question is, how prepared are they for the battle they are facing. RE are going to play a semi-final; Camross are going to war. I dont think Camross are going anywhere near as well as they have been but if Zane is back, he could reignite things.
RE, however, have physicality and pace in all the right areas and I just cant see them not getting in for a couple of goals.
They've been the team to beat all year and I think this match will sharpen their focus and set them up for a Final berth as worthy favourites and dark horses for Leinster.
RE by 7.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on October 04, 2019, 09:38:22 AM
conditions are to improve over the weekend but if they suit any1 best i think it will be camross although they are also good hurlers in their own right
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on October 04, 2019, 10:13:14 PM
conditions are to improve over the weekend but if they suit any1 best i think it will be camross although they are also good hurlers in their own right

You are like some sort of saviour that has been sent to lead us out of the darkness of abusing and insulting people, and into the light.
Is it at least comfortable on that fence?!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on October 05, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
English writing not my best but I do apologise if this caused offense. I was trying to say camross good hurlers as they proved already this year and conditions are always discussed in games and my opinion is camross will benefit most. I don't think there is abuse anywhere within it and if there is again apologies
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on October 05, 2019, 10:04:27 AM
Your English writing is absolutely fine, but you could do a bit of work on your comprehension!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on October 05, 2019, 10:23:30 AM
 Sorry neutral observer, I was only joking and certainly wasnít suggesting that you were abusing anybody! If anything, the opposite. You seem to be very intent on not offending anybody, unlike many of us here! And I certainly wasnít commenting on your level of English or writing. All should be welcome here, it was just ďbanterĒ (But seriously get off the fence!)

On the games themselves Camross surely wonít be able To lift their game sufficiently to match the free-flowing hurling ability of RE.
Or will they! Even though the weather is forecast to pick up on Sunday this week is heavy rain will surely take its toll on a totally over used pitch. No matter what anybody says this heavier stickier more difficult pitch will definitely suit Camross in terms of hurling styles, legs, and General attitude.
Zane or no Zane I cannot see Camross having the same scoring threat as RE. I said it here from early this year that I donít think Rathdowney Errill will be beaten, especially not by this Camross team who are owed one.  Leaving last years controversial county final aside they have a very good record against cameras over the last 15 years. There is no lingering sense of doubt/fear or whatever. Maybe I am crazy but I donít think that REís easy run To the semi-final is a negative for them. They have had so many players playing at such a high level all year that I think the break or drop off in the intensity will turn out to have been a blessing. It suits them to be playing camera us as that extra little bit of motivation will help to offset any cobwebs that may have set in.

The first game is more difficult to call. In fairness to Ballacolla They have successfully reinvented themselves this year. I am a little surprised at how well it has gone. The only thing that may come against them is that BK (and others) are now well aware of the style They are attempting to play. If any team is equipped to counter this by playing the ball out from the back, shooting from distance, and cleverly using the ball then I think that BK are that team.
I would change things slightly playing one of the Dunphies and Scully further out shooting from distance with Foyle inside winning ball when they have to go direct to counter the crowded middle third that Ballacolla will bring. Foyle  is particularly hot and cold. His form could turn out to be the deciding factor. I think BK are justified favourites particularly if the unfortunate injury news from CB turns out to be accurate. BK have serious experience on the line and it will be interesting to see What they have learned from the earlier encounter. As we have seen from teams like Limerick play out reasonably similar style to CB, teams eventually Come up with a way of countering your style.

 For me itís BK by five points and RE by seven points.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Ogie on October 06, 2019, 09:58:55 AM
Borris Kilcotton & Rathdowney Errills forwards to shoot them through to the final
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on October 06, 2019, 06:54:01 PM
First game very predictable really. BK hurled around CBís system rather than straight into it.
In the second game RE were absolutely steeped. Looked totally lifeless and while it was an unbelievable finish, they scarcely deserved the goal to win it.
BKís squad looks a lot deeper than REís going on today.
Itís no surprise that it has come down to these two, and if I had to call it this evening Iíd side with BK. Interesting build up to come!

Will BK finally invest in a new set of jerseys?!
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on October 06, 2019, 06:56:57 PM
Inivediable Roddy would produce that after last years controversy.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Helix. on October 06, 2019, 06:58:01 PM
Camross left that semi final behind them but credit to Rathdowney Errill and some finish from Ross  King. Some justice after last year for him even though he said himself afterwards that he had a poor game.

PJ Scully on fire today and will be a tasty enough final in 2 weeks time.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:20:57 PM
First game very predictable really. BK hurled around CBís system rather than straight into it.
In the second game RE were absolutely steeped. Looked totally lifeless and while it was an unbelievable finish, they scarcely deserved the goal to win it.
BKís squad looks a lot deeper than REís going on today.
Itís no surprise that it has come down to these two, and if I had to call it this evening Iíd side with BK. Interesting build up to come!

Will BK finally invest in a new set of jerseys?!
Whatís wrong with their jerseys?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Keyser SŲze on October 06, 2019, 07:37:33 PM
You must have nearly ran out of ppl at this stage?
Although, amalgamations often produce horrendous jerseys, donít they Don?  ;)
Hope I didnít offend the young ppl of Borris. Will they sleep tonight.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:39:21 PM
You must have nearly ran out of ppl at this stage?
Although, amalgamations often produce horrendous jerseys, donít they Don?  ;)
Hope I didnít offend the young ppl of Borris. Will they sleep tonight.
I doubt anyone was offended, I was curious as to what was wrong with their jerseys.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:40:37 PM
Is JOL still hurling Senior with Brigidís? I see theyíre in a Senior final against Cuala
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Helix. on October 06, 2019, 07:47:06 PM
Is JOL still hurling Senior with Brigidís? I see theyíre in a Senior final against Cuala

Donít think so Don he wasnít in match programme. Dublin gaa Twitter is the link.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:48:42 PM
Is JOL still hurling Senior with Brigidís? I see theyíre in a Senior final against Cuala

Donít think so Don he wasnít in match programme. Dublin gaa Twitter is the link.
Youíd imagine heíd be well fit for it.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Don Draper on October 06, 2019, 07:49:24 PM
Roddys goal today, delighted for him on a personal level, that must have been sweet.

https://youtu.be/MuPrjDu2_kw
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: The PRO on October 06, 2019, 08:02:58 PM
How on earth did he not get in the faces of some of the snapchat heroes from last year after the final whistle?! He's a bigger man than the whole lot of them put together. 
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: clonadmad on October 06, 2019, 09:10:51 PM
How on earth did he not get in the faces of some of the snapchat heroes from last year after the final whistle?! He's a bigger man than the whole lot of them put together.

Commendable restraint shown by him all right for once, one of the good guys proved that revenge is a dish best served cold
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 06, 2019, 09:12:31 PM
RE didnít hurl well today but will be elated to have beaten Camross after everything that happened last year. It was their first competitive match this year and it showed. BK much better than CB in the first and will be favourites in the final.

Roddy is a class act. Had a very poor game but came up wit the goods when it mattered.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Zooming around on October 06, 2019, 10:09:08 PM
Good things come to those who wait
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Leixlad on October 07, 2019, 08:13:46 AM
Wasnt at the game so cant comment on how it went - but as a neutral  delighted for Roddy to get winning goal. Fair play to him he showed real class the last 12 months and after scoring the goal. What goes around comes around.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 07, 2019, 09:28:49 AM
How on earth did he not get in the faces of some of the snapchat heroes from last year after the final whistle?! He's a bigger man than the whole lot of them put together.

Commendable restraint shown by him all right for once, one of the good guys proved that revenge is a dish best served cold
/quote]


This !
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on October 07, 2019, 10:23:34 AM
Delighted for Ross. What a moment. An incredible finish.

On the whole, the standard wasn't hectic. Not that BK or RE will care. It has the makings of a brilliant final.

BK were deserving winners in the first game. CB were game and there was no capitulation but once BK got on top in the second half, there was no feeling that they had a counter-punch in them. To be fair, the loss of Cleere and Picky were big but I still feel BK had the winning of the game regardless.
Scully was superb on places balls and never looked like missing. Even the sideline he scored, I almost felt it was inevitable. Him aside, however, the BK forwards are still not clicking. Stephen Dunphy was better than he has been but they'll need more from Aaron, Campion and Foyle.

The second game wasn't a great spectacle either and RE sleep-walked into a game they really should have lost. Their big players didn't deliver and the game was slow and pedestrian. In the end, it was a moment of individual brilliance that decided things but they'll need a hell of a lot more the next day.

On the final, I'm not sure who RE will put on Scully. Darren Maher had a fine game on him yesterday but I'm not sure who for RE could replicate it. Perhaps Jack Kelly might need to be redeployed with Corrigan coming out.
At the other end, I think RE will ask greater questions of the BK rearguard. CB didn't commit bodies forward whereas I think RE will really go for it.
I've fancied RE all year but on yesterday's showing, I'd be inclined to lean against them.

From a county perspective, there were a couple of players who put their hands up.
Scully would be an addition but his lack of physicality remains an issue and if he's not a starter, he's not going to stick around as a panelist. Defensively, I thought Stephen Phelan and Diarmuid Conway were excellent and look like they could have something to offer.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 07, 2019, 10:31:12 AM
Delighted for Ross. What a moment. An incredible finish.

On the whole, the standard wasn't hectic. Not that BK or RE will care. It has the makings of a brilliant final.

BK were deserving winners in the first game. CB were game and there was no capitulation but once BK got on top in the second half, there was no feeling that they had a counter-punch in them. To be fair, the loss of Cleere and Picky were big but I still feel BK had the winning of the game regardless.
Scully was superb on places balls and never looked like missing. Even the sideline he scored, I almost felt it was inevitable. Him aside, however, the BK forwards are still not clicking. Stephen Dunphy was better than he has been but they'll need more from Aaron, Campion and Foyle.

The second game wasn't a great spectacle either and RE sleep-walked into a game they really should have lost. Their big players didn't deliver and the game was slow and pedestrian. In the end, it was a moment of individual brilliance that decided things but they'll need a hell of a lot more the next day.

On the final, I'm not sure who RE will put on Scully. Darren Maher had a fine game on him yesterday but I'm not sure who for RE could replicate it. Perhaps Jack Kelly might need to be redeployed with Corrigan coming out.
At the other end, I think RE will ask greater questions of the BK rearguard. CB didn't commit bodies forward whereas I think RE will really go for it.
I've fancied RE all year but on yesterday's showing, I'd be inclined to lean against them.

From a county perspective, there were a couple of players who put their hands up.
Scully would be an addition but his lack of physicality remains an issue and if he's not a starter, he's not going to stick around as a panelist. Defensively, I thought Stephen Phelan and Diarmuid Conway were excellent and look like they could have something to offer.

Completely agree with your assessment of the matches. On the Scully question, he does the vast amount of his damage from placed balls so marking him won't keep his score down. Discipline more important especially with a fussy ref (e.g. Alan 'blow the whistle every 5 seconds' Doheny). Aaron Dunphy wasn't great yesterday but is very dangerous. C/B put alot of resources on him yesterday. Scully needs to offer more from play to warrant an intercounty berth. 
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on October 07, 2019, 11:00:51 AM
To be fair to Scully, a lot of the frees he scored are the result of his own work. He gets special attention because he is such a prolific finisher.
I think it was telling that the CB foul-count was so high in spite of the referee trying to let things go; certainly moreso than in the second game. The final will be a more open game and I think that might suit BK.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on October 07, 2019, 03:35:19 PM
there was certainly a sense of poetic justice about roddys winner yesterday. if you study that youtube clip of the decisive goal, the justice is magnified when you identify the camross player closest to roddy when he strikes....the karma.

on the balance rathdowney were lucky, but you take the breaks in all sports.

c/b are the great underachievers of this era, far too profligate in the first half when they had the upperhand....if they had a free taker like scully, they would have triumphed.

no sure on the final, all here so far are saying B/K are favs, the bookies disagree and powers/boyles are 4/7 rathdowney, 6/4 bk.  Not one I would call.

best player in the two games yesterday was joe campion, great to see him back to his best, and ideal centre forward material was Laois hurlers in 2020.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 07, 2019, 03:52:13 PM
I think the final is going to be very close and will possibly come down to which free taker is on top form on the day
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on October 07, 2019, 05:52:19 PM
Does Midlands Radio ever broadcast club finals?
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: steven seagal on October 07, 2019, 06:07:19 PM
They do Mossy, you could be nearly guaranteed there will be live commentary on it. Rathdowney-Errill and Borris-Kilcotton met in the 2016 final and it was one of the best games of hurling I've ever seen, here are the highlights from the game, worth a look!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2LKf77iCMo

The only down side from your point of view would be that, if The Harps win tonight, the Senior B final probably won't be broadcast.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: The PRO on October 07, 2019, 06:12:20 PM
Does Midlands Radio ever broadcast club finals?
Yes, but if there's a junior b camogie final on in Offaly, it might just be a few reports every 15 minutes...
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on October 07, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
Does Midlands Radio ever broadcast club finals?
Yes, but if there's a junior b camogie final on in Offaly, it might just be a few reports every 15 minutes...
Haha! That's what I figured.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Unlaoised on October 07, 2019, 10:56:15 PM
Two disappointing games of hurling to stay in line on a disappointing championship after all the hype about our hurlers in the summer .

Hopefully the final can bring an improved standard
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: TheGiantSquid on October 08, 2019, 09:21:52 PM
A very whistle happy referee picked for the final, hope it doesnt spoil what should be a cracker.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on October 08, 2019, 09:57:39 PM
They tend to be whistle-happy in this county, a lot of them.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on October 09, 2019, 02:46:38 PM
i think it will be a more open game of hurling as what we saw in both semi finals as camross and c/b pretty defensive minded. again depends on underfoot and overhead conditions
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Zooming around on October 09, 2019, 04:54:43 PM
Hopefully we'll get a repeat of the classic from a few years ago.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mad Mentor on October 09, 2019, 05:46:22 PM
Hopefully we'll get a repeat of the classic from a few years ago.
Hopefully with a different result. ;D
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Mossy Bruce on October 09, 2019, 05:54:39 PM
They do Mossy, you could be nearly guaranteed there will be live commentary on it. Rathdowney-Errill and Borris-Kilcotton met in the 2016 final and it was one of the best games of hurling I've ever seen, here are the highlights from the game, worth a look!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2LKf77iCMo

The only down side from your point of view would be that, if The Harps win tonight, the Senior B final probably won't be broadcast.
I'm not sure how I missed you post, here, but I did. Thanks for this link to the 2016 highlights!

Yeah, I figured anything other than a Senior final would not get broadcast.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 10, 2019, 12:57:11 PM
A very whistle happy referee picked for the final, hope it doesnt spoil what should be a cracker.

Strong chance it will destroy the game. It will be all about free takers.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: merman on October 14, 2019, 05:40:30 PM
Really looking forward to the game this Sunday.
I'm hopeful of a good game; my two concerns are the weather and the referee. We've no control over the former and to be fair, there weren't a lot of alternatives for the latter. I hope the game is let develop and isn't decided by frees.

Anyway, the two best teams are meeting in the final; I'm pretty certain of that.
Clough/Ballacolla and Camross are in this same bracket but through injuries (Keenan, Mortimer, Dunphy, Maher and Cleere), they just don't have the same strengths as RE and BK. Injuries aside, I still think both of RE and BK are slightly ahead at this moment anyway.

RE have been my team to beat since the summer. Their county contingent came bouncing back from a great year with Laois and they had the experience and nous to navigate the problems associated with an 'easy draw'. They were very nearly pipped by Camross...but they weren't. And it was telling the way that winning goal clinched it. James Ryan had the ball but he understood his role; a 'provider' for a 'finisher'. And that's what RE have in abundance, they have finishers in King, Purcell and Kavanagh and they have providers/workers in Ryan (pun avoided), Keane, McCane and Dollard. The balance looks really good and they'll be heartened to have gotten over the Camross test without their key marksmen having great performances. I think they'll target the BK full-back line and that could well be the winning and losing of this game.

For BK, I was actually impressed with their dismissal of CB. They learnt their lessons from the group game and completely nullified the CB goal-threat after the first 20 mins. They have become a little reliant on Scully but there have been signs that Campion and the Dunphys are coming into a bit of form. I disagree that Scully doesn't need special attention; it was noteworthy how close Darren Maher followed him the last day. CB were willing to take him out of the full-back spot and that in itself caused issues for them. Do RE have someone to do a similar job? I'm not sure.
Similarly, Aaron was man-marked by young Conway who had the speed to stick with him. If both Scully and Aaron start in the full-forward line, it will really test RE. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jack Kelly or Eric Killeen dropped back in such a scenario. Those match-ups will be interesting; if either side get the right players isolated 1v1 in their full-forwad line; I could see them going for goals early and often.

Midfield is another interesting area to keep an eye on. I think we have seen a lot of teams seeking to flood that middle area and it could turn into a bit of a battle. BK will have come up against that in 3 Championship games whereas RE struggled to assert themselves in the final having been untested beforehand. RE should come on from that semi-final, they'll need to.

As regards a prediction, I'm loathe to change horses mid-race but I do have a feeling that BK might just edge this. Scully won't miss from frees and that guarantees them a decent starting-point. I think both teams have chinks in their armour in the full-back line and I'd imagine a lot of thought and planning will have gone in to how best to target, exploit and protect same.
I think it'll be high-scoring and I'm going to go with BK to edge it by the minimum: BK 2.22 - 1.24 RE

From a county perspective, I think we have seen a few players come into consideration even though I dont think the championship has been brilliant. Most of the names are from the semi-finalists and finalists and that's probably as much an issue with recency-bias as anything else.

Definites for me:
Joe Campion (Would be an automatic starter for me)
Diarmaid Conway (Looks like he will be in a couple of years)

Strongly Like to See:
Stephen Phelan
James Ryan
Ronan Broderick
Aidan Corby
Paddy Whelan
PJ Scully
Sean Downey
Garoid Bourke
Dwane Palmer

Wildcards:
Brian Corby
Robbie Phelan
Conor Kilbane
Jordan Walshe
Podge Lalor
Steven Finan

I've probably forgotten a few players but I dont think that would be a bad bunch to start with in looking to reinforce our panel. I'm also aware that a lot of the above have been asked in before and either declined outright or were in and left. Just throwing the names out for discussion I suppose.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: burdizzo on October 15, 2019, 07:55:07 AM
I think there's too much commitment for some of them, but certainly would love to see Diarmuid Conway, Geroid Burke and Joe Campion involved. There'd also be a few in the senior B.
Title: Re: Laois Senior Hurling Championship 2019
Post by: Neutralobserver on October 15, 2019, 08:30:20 AM
thinking both games will be close enough on sunday and im going to go for both underdogs in borris/kilcotton and rosenallis