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Title: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 09:28:40 AM
Dublin's financial wealth is always under the spotlight and is well documented in the media and in particularly on this forum (mainly by Mayo men). Rightly or wrongly so.

However, another county has had multi million Euro investments since 2004 and the senior team running costs, in  particular the Hurling, is one of the highest in the country, and has increased considerably over the last couple of years. Limerick have increased participation rates across the county and have transformed the GAA in limerick, but would it possible without the money.

A good decent GAA man, J.P McManus has been at the forefront of the Sporting Limerick brand. Everyone remembers his generous gift to the clubs last year following Limericks All Ireland success.

However, the question is, does his and others backing of Limerick financially give them a financial edge over their rivals in preparation of their teams? Some might say yes.

He has given Millions to Limerick, and even before he started to sponsor them in 2004, he gave them a 5 million donation to ease a dept. burden.

I was talking to a work colleague, from Munster, who's says limericks All Ireland success and recent underage success is tainted, as they have the edge over other teams financially.

Myself personally, I think its great he's there and counties would only dream of such financial backing.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/mcmanus-astonishes-limerick-gaa-with-5m-gift-157000.html

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/288300/limerick-gaa-top-brass-and-sponsor-jp-mcmanus-clear-air-over-finances.html

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/board-wont-shirk-treatys-financial-needs-859427.html

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/shane-dowling-blasts-stupid-comments-13605706

Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 20, 2019, 09:42:38 AM
Thats fine.
its not coming from GAA HQ so other teams aren't being denied
its a pity a few more wealthy individuals around the country wouldn't do the same.
I don't approve of him not being tax resident however

in fact, there should be tax incentives for donations to sporting organisations to build physical infrastructure, that would be open to any sport to use.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: AZOffaly on February 20, 2019, 10:16:01 AM
Thats fine.
its not coming from GAA HQ so other teams aren't being denied
its a pity a few more wealthy individuals around the country wouldn't do the same.
I don't approve of him not being tax resident however

in fact, there should be tax incentives for donations to sporting organisations to build physical infrastructure, that would be open to any sport to use.

+1
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: armaghniac on February 20, 2019, 12:43:00 PM
Perhaps someone from Offaly or Wexford won the Euromillions and they'll throw in 10% for the hurlers!
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: AZOffaly on February 20, 2019, 02:42:01 PM
Perhaps someone from Offaly or Wexford won the Euromillions and they'll throw in 10% for the hurlers!

Nope, in the Naul. Fecking Dublin again!
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: seafoid on February 20, 2019, 03:21:54 PM
Winning the hurling all Ireland after years of shite is a fantastic experience

https://youtu.be/SaPNnVTRgE8

I wouldn’t begrudge Limerick
They have a great tradition as well

https://youtu.be/jfFnL_o8QS0
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on February 20, 2019, 04:01:53 PM
Winning the hurling all Ireland after years of shite is a fantastic experience

https://youtu.be/SaPNnVTRgE8

I wouldn’t begrudge Limerick
They have a great tradition as well

https://youtu.be/jfFnL_o8QS0

That they do, great county, great tradition, but not a tradition of winning All Irelands though, only the next couple of years will tell
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: seafoid on February 20, 2019, 04:25:08 PM
Winning the hurling all Ireland after years of shite is a fantastic experience

https://youtu.be/SaPNnVTRgE8

I wouldn’t begrudge Limerick
They have a great tradition as well

https://youtu.be/jfFnL_o8QS0
I don't really care as long as the big 3 are out of the picture

That they do, great county, great tradition, but not a tradition of winning All Irelands though, only the next couple of years will tell
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: MoChara on February 20, 2019, 04:28:52 PM
How come there is no sponsorship logo on the Limerick jersey this year? I just noticed it at the weekend there.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: AZOffaly on February 20, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
How come there is no sponsorship logo on the Limerick jersey this year? I just noticed it at the weekend there.

JP is the sponsor, and for years he put Sporting Limerick. This year he's just decided to put nothing on, like the old days.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: LooseCannon on February 20, 2019, 06:45:54 PM
Perhaps someone from Offaly or Wexford won the Euromillions and they'll throw in 10% for the hurlers!
We mightn’t have billionaires, but one generous businessman, who’s now retired contributed €250k+ to the Faithful Fields project development.
I’ll give y’all a hint. (CONCRETE)
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2019, 07:18:49 PM
Limerick got over the line. They’ve always had a decent hurling team with great tradition but always in the shadows of the Cats Tipp and Cork. McManus is a huge sponsor within the county and his club. South Liberties, as JP’s horses run in his clubs colours. They are years behind what Dublin gets as seen from their current success and both coded playing Div1 and competing!

The money won’t make Limerick better hurlers, you need more than being a gym bunny to win All Ireland’s, lifting weights won’t make you a better hurling, it’s about the skills
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: AZOffaly on February 20, 2019, 07:51:29 PM
Limerick got over the line. They’ve always had a decent hurling team with great tradition but always in the shadows of the Cats Tipp and Cork. McManus is a huge sponsor within the county and his club. South Liberties, as JP’s horses run in his clubs colours. They are years behind what Dublin gets as seen from their current success and both coded playing Div1 and competing!

The money won’t make Limerick better hurlers, you need more than being a gym bunny to win All Ireland’s, lifting weights won’t make you a better hurling, it’s about the skills

No but the money certainly helps the coaching setups and top quality academies. Limerick's development in hurling has been flagged up for a good few years, with a fair few bob going to lads like Anthony Daly to help out.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 20, 2019, 08:08:07 PM
Limerick got over the line. They’ve always had a decent hurling team with great tradition but always in the shadows of the Cats Tipp and Cork. McManus is a huge sponsor within the county and his club. South Liberties, as JP’s horses run in his clubs colours. They are years behind what Dublin gets as seen from their current success and both coded playing Div1 and competing!

The money won’t make Limerick better hurlers, you need more than being a gym bunny to win All Ireland’s, lifting weights won’t make you a better hurling, it’s about the skills

No but the money certainly helps the coaching setups and top quality academies. Limerick's development in hurling has been flagged up for a good few years, with a fair few bob going to lads like Anthony Daly to help out.

Yes and if the money is used correctly then they’ll reap from it, currently they are standing above the rest. Wonder when the big 3 will get back?
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: johnnycool on February 21, 2019, 01:14:00 PM
Limerick got over the line. They’ve always had a decent hurling team with great tradition but always in the shadows of the Cats Tipp and Cork. McManus is a huge sponsor within the county and his club. South Liberties, as JP’s horses run in his clubs colours. They are years behind what Dublin gets as seen from their current success and both coded playing Div1 and competing!

The money won’t make Limerick better hurlers, you need more than being a gym bunny to win All Ireland’s, lifting weights won’t make you a better hurling, it’s about the skills

No but the money certainly helps the coaching setups and top quality academies. Limerick's development in hurling has been flagged up for a good few years, with a fair few bob going to lads like Anthony Daly to help out.

Is Daly still with the Limerick development squads?

I thought he left a few years back.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 01:35:14 PM
I see Eamon O'Shea is back with the Tipperary hurling setup

plenty of money being spent there too
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2019, 03:41:50 PM
I see Eamon O'Shea is back with the Tipperary hurling setup

plenty of money being spent there too
Last year was a catastrophe for Tipp. They hadn't even the hay saved and they were out 
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: burdizzo on February 23, 2019, 12:09:52 AM
Ah now, 'twas aisy save the hay last year!
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on March 25, 2019, 03:27:53 PM
Limerick in their first league final in 13 years.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: johnnycool on April 01, 2019, 10:04:08 AM
Limerick in their first league final in 13 years.

That was some goal scored by Guillane there yesterday from a driven ball in from defence, just flicked in totally caught the keeper off guard.
Limerick are a serious outfit with a good chance of putting two AI's together. If they can get out of Munster.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2019, 08:39:54 PM
Limerick in their first league final in 13 years.

That was some goal scored by Guillane there yesterday from a driven ball in from defence, just flicked in totally caught the keeper off guard.
Limerick are a serious outfit with a good chance of putting two AI's together. If they can get out of Munster.
Yeah, I think getting out of Munster with a healthy squad will be tough
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 01, 2019, 10:14:44 PM
Limerick in their first league final in 13 years.

That was some goal scored by Guillane there yesterday from a driven ball in from defence, just flicked in totally caught the keeper off guard.
Limerick are a serious outfit with a good chance of putting two AI's together. If they can get out of Munster.

+1
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: seafoid on April 05, 2019, 12:27:27 PM

Injuries could determine who wins this year

This is quite interesting re Limerick

https://mobile.twitter.com/offtheball/status/1113932004461031425
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on August 27, 2019, 08:52:16 AM
I wonder if a recent social media video of a player on a certain team doing something they shouldnt being doing on a night out doenst get as much traction in the media because they are not high profile enough, imagine a player from Dublin or Tyrone caught doing the same, national news, a but sure the hurlers, lovely fellas , role models etc.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: johnnycool on August 27, 2019, 10:54:02 AM
I wonder if a recent social media video of a player on a certain team doing something they shouldnt being doing on a night out doenst get as much traction in the media because they are not high profile enough, imagine a player from Dublin or Tyrone caught doing the same, natioanl news, a but sure the hurlers, lovely fellas , role models etc.


Is is appropriate to ask you to spill the beans?
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on August 27, 2019, 12:55:30 PM
I wonder if a recent social media video of a player on a certain team doing something they shouldnt being doing on a night out doenst get as much traction in the media because they are not high profile enough, imagine a player from Dublin or Tyrone caught doing the same, natioanl news, a but sure the hurlers, lovely fellas , role models etc.


Is is appropriate to ask you to spill the beans?

I wouldnt, its floating around whatsapp, thats were i seen it, i dont want to name and shame, just making the comparison, some are lovely fellas, some are tyrants in the eyes of the media and public.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 27, 2019, 01:55:09 PM
I wonder if a recent social media video of a player on a certain team doing something they shouldnt being doing on a night out doenst get as much traction in the media because they are not high profile enough, imagine a player from Dublin or Tyrone caught doing the same, natioanl news, a but sure the hurlers, lovely fellas , role models etc.


Is is appropriate to ask you to spill the beans?

I wouldnt, its floating around whatsapp, thats were i seen it, i dont want to name and shame, just making the comparison, some are lovely fellas, some are tyrants in the eyes of the media and public.

I take it he's an Limerick hurler.. so that narrow's it down to 30 possibly
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: imtommygunn on August 27, 2019, 02:15:12 PM
There are a few things of dubious source this guy has posted before if he's the same person I am thinking of...
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: johnnycool on August 27, 2019, 02:24:16 PM
There are a few things of dubious source this guy has posted before if he's the same person I am thinking of...

Is he sitting on a barstool rubbing some young wans arm?
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on August 27, 2019, 02:28:45 PM
There are a few things of dubious source this guy has posted before if he's the same person I am thinking of...

Its a video i seen which is going around, im sure others have seen it.. Sin e.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 27, 2019, 10:07:19 PM
 https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0827/1071272-limericks-casey-posts-drug-test-result-to-clear-name (https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0827/1071272-limericks-casey-posts-drug-test-result-to-clear-name)
Absolutely scurrilous remarks on this thread
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Franko on August 27, 2019, 11:12:12 PM
I wonder if a recent social media video of a player on a certain team doing something they shouldnt being doing on a night out doenst get as much traction in the media because they are not high profile enough, imagine a player from Dublin or Tyrone caught doing the same, national news, a but sure the hurlers, lovely fellas , role models etc.

;D

This aged well.

T**ser.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on August 28, 2019, 08:59:51 AM
Doesnt prove anything to me.

Anyway he seems like a nice guy so let it be.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 28, 2019, 09:03:30 AM
There are a few things of dubious source this guy has posted before if he's the same person I am thinking of...

Who TheGreatest? Who claims James Horan got 70k from Mayo from a 'source' without backing it up with one shred of evidence?
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on August 28, 2019, 01:18:26 PM
There are a few things of dubious source this guy has posted before if he's the same person I am thinking of...

Who TheGreatest? Who claims James Horan got 70k from Mayo from a 'source' without backing it up with one shred of evidence?

Doesnt mean its not true.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Franko on August 28, 2019, 03:14:55 PM
Doesnt prove anything to me.

Anyway he seems like a nice guy so let it be.

Figures.  It gave the rest of us a good laugh though.  :D
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: imtommygunn on August 28, 2019, 03:16:20 PM
There are a few things of dubious source this guy has posted before if he's the same person I am thinking of...

Who TheGreatest? Who claims James Horan got 70k from Mayo from a 'source' without backing it up with one shred of evidence?

Doesnt mean its not true.

 ;D

Are you in the flat earth society too?
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on December 14, 2020, 02:56:22 PM
Bump.

They will win a lot more. How long will it take for the " discussion to happen"
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Taylor on December 14, 2020, 03:03:28 PM
Bump.

They will win a lot more. How long will it take for the " discussion to happen"

The discussion will only happen if the GAA pump millions & millions into Limerick GAA.

I would say we are safe enough
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: imtommygunn on December 14, 2020, 03:16:44 PM
Do they get any more than Dublin do funding wise in the hurling? (They may do - I don't know but just putting it out there).

2 out of 3 isn't a sustained period of dominance. (Though to be fair I am worried that could happen)
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 14, 2020, 03:33:12 PM
Where people worried about Kilkenny’s dominance?
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: TheGreatest on December 14, 2020, 03:42:05 PM
Personally i have no problem with sustained periods of dominance, i am biased of course.

It happens in all sports. Counties etc. Nothing lasts forever etc etc,.

My opinion this current Limerick team will go on to at least another 4 or so.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: johnnycool on December 14, 2020, 03:50:01 PM
Do they get any more than Dublin do funding wise in the hurling? (They may do - I don't know but just putting it out there).

2 out of 3 isn't a sustained period of dominance. (Though to be fair I am worried that could happen)

funding from Croke Park?

I'd say they get much less as there'd be nowhere near the same number of GDO's in Limerick as there would be in Dublin.

JP and their development squads and senior hurlers through Sporting Limerick probably isn't on the same plane as AIG, but probably the next best going in the GAA world.

Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: imtommygunn on December 14, 2020, 03:52:36 PM
I wouldn't have thought so.

I don't think great teams coming along and dominating is something that is an issue. Kilkenny in their era just had a lot of great players. Sure there were periods when TJ Reid couldn't get on, allbeit he was young, but look at him now.

Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Ash Smoker on January 06, 2021, 11:11:02 AM
I might be wrong but I don't think Limerick will ever have the same drive or focus as the great Kilkenny team at it's peak under Cody.
In counties that aren't as used to success they are quicker to drop their standards after winning an All Ireland.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: johnnycool on January 06, 2021, 01:42:27 PM
I might be wrong but I don't think Limerick will ever have the same drive or focus as the great Kilkenny team at it's peak under Cody.
In counties that aren't as used to success they are quicker to drop their standards after winning an All Ireland.

A lot of these Limerick lads are now heroes with their 2 AI medals and a handful of Munster championships whilst there'd be lads in Kilkenny with that and no one would look at them twice.

The right soundings are coming from Hannon, Kiely and the lads but we'll have to wait and see if the hunger is still there for their third AI medal.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: imtommygunn on January 06, 2021, 02:07:38 PM
He does remind me of Jim Gavin a bit. Very business like and follows a "process". Though to be fair he does show a bit more emotion when the win. Very shrewd operator Kiely and if anyone can keep them at it I think it's him.

Also it's not like they'll be able to go out on the rip regularly any time soon to overdo their celebrations...
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Lar Naparka on January 06, 2021, 05:19:02 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: johnnycool on January 07, 2021, 03:08:19 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: marty34 on January 07, 2021, 05:53:23 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: johnnycool on January 08, 2021, 11:15:11 AM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2021, 11:43:42 AM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.

Did the goals dry up for these teams? strong defenders or they are happy enough to tag on the points and not be drawn into goals..

I know Tipp and Waterford chased the goals, I could be entirely wrong and someone will throw up a stat to show that but, just thinking back
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: marty34 on January 08, 2021, 12:31:26 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.

Did the goals dry up for these teams? strong defenders or they are happy enough to tag on the points and not be drawn into goals..

I know Tipp and Waterford chased the goals, I could be entirely wrong and someone will throw up a stat to show that but, just thinking back

Limerick don't need goals, they'll target 30 pts a game I'd say.  If goals come, they come but they'll not force it.

When your half-forwards are hitting 10 - 12 points from play, it's hard to beat in fairness.  That's the bulk of their scoring and with Gillane hitting 5 or 6 frees and Byrnes hit a couple way back the field, they're nearly at the 20 point mark.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: marty34 on January 08, 2021, 12:48:11 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.

I always though Limerick were holding Galway at arm's length - never looked like they were going to beat them.

Galway were very lucky to beat Tipp - Harte, of all people, got the goal very near the end - at the death.  Up to that, it was 50/50.  Two similar matched teams.

Probably main point from that game was the sending off of Barret.  Had he not got the second yellow, Tipp would have won I think.  There's very little between Tipp and Galway, as recent games have shown.

Limerick are a good bit ahead, especially in age profile.  They only need one or two to break onto the panel.  Look at their bench - Peter Casey, Pat Ryan and Reidy etc. Never mind the two lads in defence coming back into the full back line. Flanagan, on as a sub in recent games but stars and get full forward and keeps his place.  Serious competition for places.

Can't say the same for Galway or Tipp.  Tipp and Galway need a serious injection of youth.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2021, 04:44:24 PM
Limerick were the real deal two years ago after winning it, but hit a banana skin and were bate..

You have to be on top form (and they have been to be fair) every minute, as momentum is key, once a goal and couple of points are put in against ya its difficult enough to put the afterburners on.

The age profile and and the style they play will be hard to break down, you can make the ball as heavy as you want but they are big enough to knock it further than the rest.

Teams will have to match their intensity and fitness/physicality if they are serious, their skill level is the same as the top 5, Tipp, Galway Kilkenny, Waterford Clare all have gifted hurlers, but what they lacked this year was the speed and strength. Match that and their desire to win then you've a game.

Big push on teams this year for S&C, pushing the limits
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: imtommygunn on January 08, 2021, 04:59:12 PM
Galway were never beating Limerick in that game. I think they are a good bit off and aren't improving.

I would say last year 9 times out of 10 Limerick beat KK. KK just came with an intensity(they were like men possessed) Limerick just didn't expect. It was a bit like Tyrone Kerry in 03.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: clonadmad on January 08, 2021, 05:25:36 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.

I always though Limerick were holding Galway at arm's length - never looked like they were going to beat them.

Galway were very lucky to beat Tipp - Harte, of all people, got the goal very near the end - at the death.  Up to that, it was 50/50.  Two similar matched teams.

Probably main point from that game was the sending off of Barret.  Had he not got the second yellow, Tipp would have won I think.  There's very little between Tipp and Galway, as recent games have shown.

Limerick are a good bit ahead, especially in age profile.  They only need one or two to break onto the panel.  Look at their bench - Peter Casey, Pat Ryan and Reidy etc. Never mind the two lads in defence coming back into the full back line. Flanagan, on as a sub in recent games but stars and get full forward and keeps his place.  Serious competition for places.

Can't say the same for Galway or Tipp.  Tipp and Galway need a serious injection of youth.

You’d presume with galway winning 3 in a row minors 17-19 and potentially the  20202 u20 and with tipp wining the u21 in 18 and u20 in 19 the injection of youth is on its way.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: clonadmad on January 08, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.

I always though Limerick were holding Galway at arm's length - never looked like they were going to beat them.

Galway were very lucky to beat Tipp - Harte, of all people, got the goal very near the end - at the death.  Up to that, it was 50/50.  Two similar matched teams.

Probably main point from that game was the sending off of Barret.  Had he not got the second yellow, Tipp would have won I think.  There's very little between Tipp and Galway, as recent games have shown.

Limerick are a good bit ahead, especially in age profile.  They only need one or two to break onto the panel.  Look at their bench - Peter Casey, Pat Ryan and Reidy etc. Never mind the two lads in defence coming back into the full back line. Flanagan, on as a sub in recent games but stars and get full forward and keeps his place.  Serious competition for places.

Can't say the same for Galway or Tipp.  Tipp and Galway need a serious injection of youth.

You’d presume with galway winning 3 in a row minors 17-19 and potentially the  2020 u20 and with tipp wining the u21 in 18 and u20 in 19 the injection of youth is on its way.

This rush to anoint Limerick as the new Kilkenny 06-15 might be a tad premature
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 08, 2021, 05:31:42 PM
Galway were never beating Limerick in that game. I think they are a good bit off and aren't improving.

I would say last year 9 times out of 10 Limerick beat KK. KK just came with an intensity(they were like men possessed) Limerick just didn't expect. It was a bit like Tyrone Kerry in 03.

I would say that was true in that game, Limerick did look to have another gear, timing though is everything and remember the odd time when Kilkenny were bate back in the day, once against Galway and once against Wexford, a burst of goals after both teams managed to stay with the Cats.

Limericks defence is stopping those avenues, I expect a tougher challenge for Limerick this year, they ain’t GAA answer to Dublin football..

They better watch out for the Saffs!!
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: marty34 on January 08, 2021, 05:34:07 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.

I always though Limerick were holding Galway at arm's length - never looked like they were going to beat them.

Galway were very lucky to beat Tipp - Harte, of all people, got the goal very near the end - at the death.  Up to that, it was 50/50.  Two similar matched teams.

Probably main point from that game was the sending off of Barret.  Had he not got the second yellow, Tipp would have won I think.  There's very little between Tipp and Galway, as recent games have shown.

Limerick are a good bit ahead, especially in age profile.  They only need one or two to break onto the panel.  Look at their bench - Peter Casey, Pat Ryan and Reidy etc. Never mind the two lads in defence coming back into the full back line. Flanagan, on as a sub in recent games but stars and get full forward and keeps his place.  Serious competition for places.

Can't say the same for Galway or Tipp.  Tipp and Galway need a serious injection of youth.

You’d presume with galway winning 3 in a row minors 17-19 and potentially the  20202 u20 and with tipp wining the u21 in 18 and u20 in 19 the injection of youth is on its way.

But it'll take these minors and U20's a couple of years to get into it right - wait and see.  It'll not be to they're 24 or 25, at least before you see them develop properly.
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: clonadmad on January 08, 2021, 06:35:38 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.

I always though Limerick were holding Galway at arm's length - never looked like they were going to beat them.

Galway were very lucky to beat Tipp - Harte, of all people, got the goal very near the end - at the death.  Up to that, it was 50/50.  Two similar matched teams.

Probably main point from that game was the sending off of Barret.  Had he not got the second yellow, Tipp would have won I think.  There's very little between Tipp and Galway, as recent games have shown.

Limerick are a good bit ahead, especially in age profile.  They only need one or two to break onto the panel.  Look at their bench - Peter Casey, Pat Ryan and Reidy etc. Never mind the two lads in defence coming back into the full back line. Flanagan, on as a sub in recent games but stars and get full forward and keeps his place.  Serious competition for places.

Can't say the same for Galway or Tipp.  Tipp and Galway need a serious injection of youth.

You’d presume with galway winning 3 in a row minors 17-19 and potentially the  20202 u20 and with tipp wining the u21 in 18 and u20 in 19 the injection of youth is on its way.

But it'll take these minors and U20's a couple of years to get into it right - wait and see.  It'll not be to they're 24 or 25, at least before you see them develop properly.

Some of those lads played in 2020 championship and didn’t look out of place,Evan Niland being one,I’d expect 2/3 to come in,in both counties this year and make an impact
Title: Re: Limerick Hurling - A millionaires playground.
Post by: marty34 on January 08, 2021, 07:44:19 PM
I can't see Limerick staying on year after. top for a sustained period as there are at least a half dozen teams of roughly equal merit.
In no particular  order, Galway, Tipp, Kilkenny, Clare, Waterford or Wexford, with Dublin as a long shot, could win next year.

Nah, it's between Limerick and Galway for me with Waterford next. The rest are a bit off that standard IMO.

Not sure about Galway - i think they need an injection of youth and pace.  The thing is that they have loads of talent coming though - serious underage talent.

Tipp are similar to Galway - a good few lads have won a couple of All-Ireland and the squad needs a freshen up but they have 3 or 4 lads who'll come straight in also.

Fresh impetus is always a requirement but for my mind Galway went toe to toe with Limerick the longest and were hit with Mannions injury as he was having a big impact on their gameplan and it kinda went astray a bit when he had to leave the field. The extra weeks rest stood to Limerick, Galway had a tough slog against Tipp on a sodden Gaelic grounds the Saturday before.

With both fresh I think Galway would be best placed to give Limerick a serious rattle.

I always though Limerick were holding Galway at arm's length - never looked like they were going to beat them.

Galway were very lucky to beat Tipp - Harte, of all people, got the goal very near the end - at the death.  Up to that, it was 50/50.  Two similar matched teams.

Probably main point from that game was the sending off of Barret.  Had he not got the second yellow, Tipp would have won I think.  There's very little between Tipp and Galway, as recent games have shown.

Limerick are a good bit ahead, especially in age profile.  They only need one or two to break onto the panel.  Look at their bench - Peter Casey, Pat Ryan and Reidy etc. Never mind the two lads in defence coming back into the full back line. Flanagan, on as a sub in recent games but stars and get full forward and keeps his place.  Serious competition for places.

Can't say the same for Galway or Tipp.  Tipp and Galway need a serious injection of youth.

You’d presume with galway winning 3 in a row minors 17-19 and potentially the  20202 u20 and with tipp wining the u21 in 18 and u20 in 19 the injection of youth is on its way.

But it'll take these minors and U20's a couple of years to get into it right - wait and see.  It'll not be to they're 24 or 25, at least before you see them develop properly.

Some of those lads played in 2020 championship and didn’t look out of place,Evan Niland being one,I’d expect 2/3 to come in,in both counties this year and make an impact

Did he play in the NHL this past couple of years?

Concannon also has been floating about this past couple of years but has made a huge impression this championship.