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Title: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on February 18, 2019, 08:21:37 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/rotten-to-the-core-treasurer-hits-out-over-state-of-galways-gaa-finances-37635950.html

45k in expenses, sure that would of paid for at least 1 full time coach.

I wonder is there any update on this issue?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on February 21, 2019, 10:42:41 AM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 10:47:08 AM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on February 21, 2019, 12:20:26 PM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/rotten-to-the-core-treasurer-hits-out-over-state-of-galways-gaa-finances-37635950.html

45k in expenses, sure that would of paid for at least 1 full time coach.

I wonder is there any update on this issue?

It would have paid for an infinite number of haves
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2019, 03:22:16 PM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'
The brand was the victim of a wild pull on Sunday

 Sutcliffe was fortunate to escape with a yellow after a rash pull across Joe Canning in front of an outraged crowd in the stand. Canning was hobbling but maintained a perfect free-taking statistic as Galway re-asserted their control
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:06:47 PM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'

If Galway United can afford full time admin and commercial staff, so can Galway GAA.

Do you remember when we used to be better run than other sports?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 06:32:33 PM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'

If Galway United can afford full time admin and commercial staff, so can Galway GAA.

Do you remember when we used to be better run than other sports?
When was that?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: magpie seanie on February 22, 2019, 10:17:36 AM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'

If Galway United can afford full time admin and commercial staff, so can Galway GAA.

Do you remember when we used to be better run than other sports?


in your haste to beat Galway GAA you picked a seriously weak example....


https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0608/969099-exclusive-galway-united-on-verge-of-saudi-takeover/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0608/969099-exclusive-galway-united-on-verge-of-saudi-takeover/)
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Rossfan on February 22, 2019, 11:19:22 AM
That lad is blinded by his " Soccer good Gah bad" bias. 8)
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 22, 2019, 02:19:37 PM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'

If Galway United can afford full time admin and commercial staff, so can Galway GAA.

Do you remember when we used to be better run than other sports?


in your haste to beat Galway GAA you picked a seriously weak example....


https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0608/969099-exclusive-galway-united-on-verge-of-saudi-takeover/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0608/969099-exclusive-galway-united-on-verge-of-saudi-takeover/)

I made the direct comparison on admin and commercial staff. Not sure what a discussion about a takover has to do with to do with it.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 22, 2019, 02:23:23 PM
Galway United, piss up, brewery.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 23, 2019, 11:50:49 AM
Galway United, piss up, brewery.

Are you sure that this is the time or place?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on February 24, 2019, 10:45:23 AM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'
You obviously know nothing about what went on in Galway.

The biggest question in this whole matter is why didn't Tom Ryan act on the matter when it was reported to him in 2017?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on June 12, 2019, 11:41:50 AM
Was there any follow up on this issue, any court case set?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
Don't know.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 02, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
Well well well, its all coming out now out west. Galway, then Mayo, now Galway again.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1001/1079520-galway-sponsors-supermacs-demand-details-of-spending/

Article from last year:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/rotten-to-the-core-treasurer-hits-out-over-state-of-galways-gaa-finances-37635950.html
   
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Rossfan on October 02, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
That's what happens when the GAA pours excessive amounts of €€€€€€€s into their monster favourite child.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 02, 2019, 11:01:34 AM
That's what happens when the GAA pours excessive amounts of €€€€€€€s into their monster favourite child.

Like Corks new stadium, i agree.

I wouldnt say this is anything new, probably going on for decades in all counties. A lot of skeletons in the closet.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Zulu on October 02, 2019, 11:23:39 AM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.

That's the key point, though, big counties can't afford NOT to have a full time administrator running finances anymore. The money is too big for volunteers to manage, even if some have the skillset to do it.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 02, 2019, 12:06:28 PM
Some difference in revenue between 2017 & 2018, Galways was about 1.2m more in 2018, now some of the increases are easily explained whilst some are just baffling and its hard not to point the finger.

Its just ridiculous that an organisation that has generates revenue of about 5 million didn't have any full time administrator overseeing finances.

Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 02, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
Some difference in revenue between 2017 & 2018, Galways was about 1.2m more in 2018, now some of the increases are easily explained whilst some are just baffling and its hard not to point the finger.

Its just ridiculous that an organisation that has generates revenue of about 5 million didn't have any full time administrator overseeing finances.
Agreed
It's time for full time administrators in most counties, in fact some counties could share one. E.g. longford/westmeath
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Rossfan on October 02, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
Salaries paid by Croke Park.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 02, 2019, 12:59:00 PM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.

That's the key point, though, big counties can't afford NOT to have a full time administrator running finances anymore. The money is too big for volunteers to manage, even if some have the skillset to do it.
I agree entirely, the highest standards of governance and competency is what everyone should want in place.

Interested to see what will result from this unprecedented intervention from a main sponsor, McDonagh is a shrewd businessman and he is not giving Galway GAA sponsorship money just out of some purely personal largesse. The timing of this is very, very curious particularly as these questions about Galway GAA finances are not revelations that have just come to light this week.
Certainly it would be better in the long term for Galway if there was a full reckoning now regardless.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: dublin7 on October 02, 2019, 01:01:53 PM
Salaries paid by Croke Park.

If you are taking in millions in income you shouldn't need Croke Park to pay the salary. County Board should be sensible enough to make that decision themselves.

In the case of Galway it seems based on comments from the new treasurer what went on was far more sinister than just a case of board members simply being out of their depth
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 02, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Some difference in revenue between 2017 & 2018, Galways was about 1.2m more in 2018, now some of the increases are easily explained whilst some are just baffling and its hard not to point the finger.

Its just ridiculous that an organisation that has generates revenue of about 5 million didn't have any full time administrator overseeing finances.

Mark Gottsche was appointed finance and operations manager for Galway GAA in July. Bit late to have effect on the years prior to his arrival into the job though but badly needed going forward.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: johnnycool on October 02, 2019, 02:07:34 PM
Some difference in revenue between 2017 & 2018, Galways was about 1.2m more in 2018, now some of the increases are easily explained whilst some are just baffling and its hard not to point the finger.

Its just ridiculous that an organisation that has generates revenue of about 5 million didn't have any full time administrator overseeing finances.

Mark Gottsche was appointed finance and operations manager for Galway GAA in July. Bit late to have effect on the years prior to his arrival into the job though but badly needed going forward.

You'd think he'd be keener than most to get the old dirty washing out in public and draw a line under it but knowing the way County Boards work (or don't in most cases) there'd be plenty of lads still in positions of power not wanting anything to come out especially if there was more than just piss poor mismanagement going on.


WRT the full time secretaries in each county, you'd have to wonder what criteria was used for them to be appointed.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 02, 2019, 03:41:56 PM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.

That's the key point, though, big counties can't afford NOT to have a full time administrator running finances anymore. The money is too big for volunteers to manage, even if some have the skillset to do it.
I agree entirely, the highest standards of governance and competency is what everyone should want in place.

Interested to see what will result from this unprecedented intervention from a main sponsor, McDonagh is a shrewd businessman and he is not giving Galway GAA sponsorship money just out of some purely personal largesse. The timing of this is very, very curious particularly as these questions about Galway GAA finances are not revelations that have just come to light this week.
Certainly it would be better in the long term for Galway if there was a full reckoning now regardless.

Clearly more s**t is about to hit the fan and they don't want their good name to be associated with it.

I see Chill insurance pay 400k a year to sponsor both Cork teams as a comparison.



Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 02, 2019, 04:41:11 PM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.

That's the key point, though, big counties can't afford NOT to have a full time administrator running finances anymore. The money is too big for volunteers to manage, even if some have the skillset to do it.
I agree entirely, the highest standards of governance and competency is what everyone should want in place.

Interested to see what will result from this unprecedented intervention from a main sponsor, McDonagh is a shrewd businessman and he is not giving Galway GAA sponsorship money just out of some purely personal largesse. The timing of this is very, very curious particularly as these questions about Galway GAA finances are not revelations that have just come to light this week.
Certainly it would be better in the long term for Galway if there was a full reckoning now regardless.

Clearly more s**t is about to hit the fan and they don't want their good name to be associated with it.

I see Chill insurance pay 400k a year to sponsor both Cork teams as a comparison.

Official figures or speculation? Might be no harm if all counties disclosed what they are receiving from their sponsors.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 04, 2019, 12:48:10 PM
Salaries paid by Croke Park.

If you are taking in millions in income you shouldn't need Croke Park to pay the salary. County Board should be sensible enough to make that decision themselves.



This. If Galway United,in the second tier, can afford full time admin staff, so should Galway GAA. Its mindbending to think thete are counties that dont have full time support.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Itchy on October 05, 2019, 10:53:33 PM
How much does it cost to get a forensic audit of gaa club or county finances for a year of records, ball park. It cant be cheap.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thejuice on October 06, 2019, 09:23:57 AM
GAA properties raided by the gardai in Limerick apparently. Officials and players supposedly involved in corruption.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9a74092e-e7af-11e9-8f9f-a3d435965222
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: seafoid on October 06, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
GAA properties raided by the gardai in Limerick apparently. Officials and players supposedly involved in corruption.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9a74092e-e7af-11e9-8f9f-a3d435965222
#Jaysus
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 06, 2019, 02:28:11 PM
How much does it cost to get a forensic audit of gaa club or county finances for a year of records, ball park. It cant be cheap.
Depends who is doing it
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Itchy on October 06, 2019, 03:16:27 PM
How much does it cost to get a forensic audit of gaa club or county finances for a year of records, ball park. It cant be cheap.
Depends who is doing it

Well I am sure thats true but if you were building a case like is happening in Galway, I assume some accounts and trawling through everything. I was just wondering is that 10k, 100k or 1k of spending to recover who knows what.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 07, 2019, 08:22:28 AM
GAA properties raided by the gardai in Limerick apparently. Officials and players supposedly involved in corruption.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9a74092e-e7af-11e9-8f9f-a3d435965222

Probably deserves its own thread.....

Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 08, 2019, 02:33:57 PM
Anyone know what Galways debt is? Thought it was 4 million two years ago but reports of been around 3 million last year.

You'd think you'd be able to find their accounts on their own website but unfortunately not. Now comes the news that all contenders for the hurling managers job have pulled out and the chairman has turned into Comical Ali.


According to the Irish Examiner Mr Burke revealed to delegates at the convention that there are also four legal cases pending against Galway GAA.
He said that a review of officers’ expenses revealed that they reached as high as €45,000 in 2016. These expenses will be well short of 10,000 this year though, he confirmed.


The above from last years convention is astonishing yet not surprising. I know nothing about Mike Burke but from a distance it looks like he knows what he's doing although the same can't be said of the chairman.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: giveballaghback on October 08, 2019, 07:55:42 PM
Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: twohands!!! on October 08, 2019, 08:11:33 PM
Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.

Definitely someone should look at the Ed Sheeran concerts last year - Galway County Board only earned €76k from 2 sold-out concerts while Cork GAA netted around €1 million for 3 nights.

That's a difference of €38k versus €330k on a per-night basis.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 09, 2019, 09:05:10 AM
A follow up from Supermac's.

https://www.supermacs.ie/supermacs-statement-re-galway-gaa-finances-follow-up/

3.As previously stated, our concerns in relation to financial matters in Galway GAA were brought to the attention of the Galway County Board 4 years ago and, shortly afterwards, to the attention of Croke Park and nothing happened. We raised these concerns again at a meeting with the County Board in January of this year following the findings of the Mazars Report.

Sounds quite typical, ah be grand, dont worry yourself about it, bit of an FAI job, under age players not having right gear etc.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on October 09, 2019, 10:31:01 AM
Anyone know what Galways debt is? Thought it was 4 million two years ago but reports of been around 3 million last year.

You'd think you'd be able to find their accounts on their own website but unfortunately not. Now comes the news that all contenders for the hurling managers job have pulled out and the chairman has turned into Comical Ali.


According to the Irish Examiner Mr Burke revealed to delegates at the convention that there are also four legal cases pending against Galway GAA.
He said that a review of officers’ expenses revealed that they reached as high as €45,000 in 2016. These expenses will be well short of 10,000 this year though, he confirmed.


The above from last years convention is astonishing yet not surprising. I know nothing about Mike Burke but from a distance it looks like he knows what he's doing although the same can't be said of the chairman.

I believe three million is accurate, the sale of mountain south must of reduced it.

Mr Burke was elected at convention two years, he conducted a big election campaign with big promises of fundraising and management of the debt.

Fast forward to July 2019 the county board are 400k in debt on CURRENT spend for the year. I do believe this prompted the chairman to call in both managers to tell them their respective budgets will need to be cut by 200k.

I'd question how well Mr Burke has been performing, he doesn't seem to have a handle on spending and he hasn't come up with any big fundraising ideas.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 09, 2019, 12:39:27 PM
Anyone know what Galways debt is? Thought it was 4 million two years ago but reports of been around 3 million last year.

You'd think you'd be able to find their accounts on their own website but unfortunately not. Now comes the news that all contenders for the hurling managers job have pulled out and the chairman has turned into Comical Ali.


According to the Irish Examiner Mr Burke revealed to delegates at the convention that there are also four legal cases pending against Galway GAA.
He said that a review of officers’ expenses revealed that they reached as high as €45,000 in 2016. These expenses will be well short of 10,000 this year though, he confirmed.


The above from last years convention is astonishing yet not surprising. I know nothing about Mike Burke but from a distance it looks like he knows what he's doing although the same can't be said of the chairman.

I believe three million is accurate, the sale of mountain south must of reduced it.

Mr Burke was elected at convention two years, he conducted a big election campaign with big promises of fundraising and management of the debt.

Fast forward to July 2019 the county board are 400k in debt on CURRENT spend for the year. I do believe this prompted the chairman to call in both managers to tell them their respective budgets will need to be cut by 200k.

I'd question how well Mr Burke has been performing, he doesn't seem to have a handle on spending and he hasn't come up with any big fundraising ideas.

It will be interesting to see the accounts then, looking at last years accounts they appeared to be going in the right direction so will wait and see what the reasons are for the cutbacks; There's always the chance they've been caused by previous indescrepencies!
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 09, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
The hurling side of the county have a lot to answer for to be honest.

Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.

Definitely someone should look at the Ed Sheeran concerts last year - Galway County Board only earned €76k from 2 sold-out concerts while Cork GAA netted around €1 million for 3 nights.

That's a difference of €38k versus €330k on a per-night basis.

This is still mind blowing, has any plausible explanation ever come out?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 09, 2019, 01:51:52 PM
The hurling side of the county have a lot to answer for to be honest.

Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.

Definitely someone should look at the Ed Sheeran concerts last year - Galway County Board only earned €76k from 2 sold-out concerts while Cork GAA netted around €1 million for 3 nights.

That's a difference of €38k versus €330k on a per-night basis.

This is still mind blowing, has any plausible explanation ever come out?

Its ridiculous, would like to know who agreed and signed off on the deal. Someone is either guilty of pure incompetence or something more sinister.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: heffo on October 09, 2019, 02:47:44 PM
Those Ed Sheeran figures are crazy.

Even if the top CB guys were hopelessly out of their depth, why wouldn't they engage with a commercial 3rd party to act on their behalf?.

Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on October 09, 2019, 03:13:33 PM
The hurling side of the county have a lot to answer for to be honest.

Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.

Definitely someone should look at the Ed Sheeran concerts last year - Galway County Board only earned €76k from 2 sold-out concerts while Cork GAA netted around €1 million for 3 nights.

That's a difference of €38k versus €330k on a per-night basis.

This is still mind blowing, has any plausible explanation ever come out?

Some of the difference's were accounted for by money paid to salthill gaa and work that had to be carried out Pearse Stadium.

However it seems it was very poorly managed, the chairman and treasurer who oversaw these negotiations are no longer involved
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 09, 2019, 03:16:48 PM
Those Ed Sheeran figures are crazy.

Even if the top CB guys were hopelessly out of their depth, why wouldn't they engage with a commercial 3rd party to act on their behalf?.

I'm fairly sure the paid commercial manager who left the role a few years for Connacht Rugby would have overseen negotiations; If this is true then it really doesn't look good.



Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: heffo on October 09, 2019, 03:27:59 PM
I seen a Tweet the other day along the lines of GAA players becoming more professional, GAA officials become more amatuerish.

Is there a toxic culture in Galway at a CB level? Why aren't capable people going for these roles?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: twohands!!! on October 09, 2019, 03:35:30 PM
Those Ed Sheeran figures are crazy.

Even if the top CB guys were hopelessly out of their depth, why wouldn't they engage with a commercial 3rd party to act on their behalf?.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a case of being too out of their depth to know they were out of their depth.

I know a lot of Galway's issues are related to previous incumbents but the current regime don't seem to be doing much of a job in terms of improving matters given the way the relationships with the main sponsors and management/potential management has been handled. I'm sure the last thing McDonagh wanted was to go public with matters.

You'd have thought priority number one for Galway GAA was keeping the lad who gave them €1.6 million over the last five years on-side and in the loop, especially given all the stuff related to the finances. As soon as the new regime took over they should have arranged a meeting with McDonagh and gone through what was done wrong previously and explain the steps being taken to sort things out going forward. It's hard enough to get sponsors on board, so you'd think some small amount of care would be taken with the relationship, especially given the ongoing issues.

In terms of transparency and openness, one simple small step they could take is to publish all the recent financial accounts on the Galway website and what they can of the various financial audit reports. I heard that some parts of the first report couldn't be published because of legal issues [which says a world about what the financial controls and records were like; basically they're pretty certain money went missing but their controls and records were so poor they can't legally pin responsibility on individuals] It would be a small step forward in terms of openness and signal a difference in approach instead of things being shrouded in rumour.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: twohands!!! on October 09, 2019, 03:51:17 PM
I seen a Tweet the other day along the lines of GAA players becoming more professional, GAA officials become more amatuerish.

Is there a toxic culture in Galway at a CB level? Why aren't capable people going for these roles?

Because for the most part county boards are drawing from a relatively small pool of people.
It can be tireless unrewarding work.
A lot of the time it's a case of picking the least worst from those individuals willing to show up.
Also there's little to nothing done in terms of targetting capable people for roles within the organisation.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 25, 2019, 10:05:50 AM
Did anyone catch Primetime last night on this issue and if so anything worth noting?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Will it ever end on October 25, 2019, 11:10:31 AM
They almost entirely regurgitated the news article without actually naming the county
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: mouview on October 25, 2019, 02:28:23 PM
Did anyone catch Primetime last night on this issue and if so anything worth noting?

An unnamed official in an unnamed county might have ran up big, unsubstantiated bills on a credit card.
In other news, dog regurgitates man's homework while Miriam O'Callaghan pleads "Won't somebody pleeeease think of the children".
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: macdanger2 on October 25, 2019, 05:04:20 PM
With the levels of cash going through CBs going into the millions, central GAA should be providing some sort of framework to make it easier for CBs to manage their finances better (or make it harder for people to fiddle it depending on how you look at it)