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Title: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on February 18, 2019, 08:21:37 AM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/rotten-to-the-core-treasurer-hits-out-over-state-of-galways-gaa-finances-37635950.html

45k in expenses, sure that would of paid for at least 1 full time coach.

I wonder is there any update on this issue?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on February 21, 2019, 10:42:41 AM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: dublin7 on February 21, 2019, 10:47:08 AM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on February 21, 2019, 12:20:26 PM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/rotten-to-the-core-treasurer-hits-out-over-state-of-galways-gaa-finances-37635950.html

45k in expenses, sure that would of paid for at least 1 full time coach.

I wonder is there any update on this issue?

It would have paid for an infinite number of haves
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: seafoid on February 21, 2019, 03:22:16 PM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'
The brand was the victim of a wild pull on Sunday

 Sutcliffe was fortunate to escape with a yellow after a rash pull across Joe Canning in front of an outraged crowd in the stand. Canning was hobbling but maintained a perfect free-taking statistic as Galway re-asserted their control
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 21, 2019, 04:06:47 PM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'

If Galway United can afford full time admin and commercial staff, so can Galway GAA.

Do you remember when we used to be better run than other sports?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 21, 2019, 06:32:33 PM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'

If Galway United can afford full time admin and commercial staff, so can Galway GAA.

Do you remember when we used to be better run than other sports?
When was that?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: magpie seanie on February 22, 2019, 10:17:36 AM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'

If Galway United can afford full time admin and commercial staff, so can Galway GAA.

Do you remember when we used to be better run than other sports?


in your haste to beat Galway GAA you picked a seriously weak example....


https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0608/969099-exclusive-galway-united-on-verge-of-saudi-takeover/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0608/969099-exclusive-galway-united-on-verge-of-saudi-takeover/)
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Rossfan on February 22, 2019, 11:19:22 AM
That lad is blinded by his " Soccer good Gah bad" bias. 8)
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 22, 2019, 02:19:37 PM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'

If Galway United can afford full time admin and commercial staff, so can Galway GAA.

Do you remember when we used to be better run than other sports?


in your haste to beat Galway GAA you picked a seriously weak example....


https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0608/969099-exclusive-galway-united-on-verge-of-saudi-takeover/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0608/969099-exclusive-galway-united-on-verge-of-saudi-takeover/)

I made the direct comparison on admin and commercial staff. Not sure what a discussion about a takover has to do with to do with it.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 22, 2019, 02:23:23 PM
Galway United, piss up, brewery.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on February 23, 2019, 11:50:49 AM
Galway United, piss up, brewery.

Are you sure that this is the time or place?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on February 24, 2019, 10:45:23 AM
That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
Not every county can afford to hire a commercial manager to develop the 'brand'
You obviously know nothing about what went on in Galway.

The biggest question in this whole matter is why didn't Tom Ryan act on the matter when it was reported to him in 2017?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on June 12, 2019, 11:41:50 AM
Was there any follow up on this issue, any court case set?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Farrandeelin on June 12, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
Don't know.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 02, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
Well well well, its all coming out now out west. Galway, then Mayo, now Galway again.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/1001/1079520-galway-sponsors-supermacs-demand-details-of-spending/

Article from last year:
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/rotten-to-the-core-treasurer-hits-out-over-state-of-galways-gaa-finances-37635950.html
   
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Rossfan on October 02, 2019, 10:58:54 AM
That's what happens when the GAA pours excessive amounts of €€€€€€€s into their monster favourite child.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 02, 2019, 11:01:34 AM
That's what happens when the GAA pours excessive amounts of €€€€€€€s into their monster favourite child.

Like Corks new stadium, i agree.

I wouldnt say this is anything new, probably going on for decades in all counties. A lot of skeletons in the closet.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Zulu on October 02, 2019, 11:23:39 AM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.

That's the key point, though, big counties can't afford NOT to have a full time administrator running finances anymore. The money is too big for volunteers to manage, even if some have the skillset to do it.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 02, 2019, 12:06:28 PM
Some difference in revenue between 2017 & 2018, Galways was about 1.2m more in 2018, now some of the increases are easily explained whilst some are just baffling and its hard not to point the finger.

Its just ridiculous that an organisation that has generates revenue of about 5 million didn't have any full time administrator overseeing finances.

Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 02, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
Some difference in revenue between 2017 & 2018, Galways was about 1.2m more in 2018, now some of the increases are easily explained whilst some are just baffling and its hard not to point the finger.

Its just ridiculous that an organisation that has generates revenue of about 5 million didn't have any full time administrator overseeing finances.
Agreed
It's time for full time administrators in most counties, in fact some counties could share one. E.g. longford/westmeath
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Rossfan on October 02, 2019, 12:57:59 PM
Salaries paid by Croke Park.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 02, 2019, 12:59:00 PM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.

That's the key point, though, big counties can't afford NOT to have a full time administrator running finances anymore. The money is too big for volunteers to manage, even if some have the skillset to do it.
I agree entirely, the highest standards of governance and competency is what everyone should want in place.

Interested to see what will result from this unprecedented intervention from a main sponsor, McDonagh is a shrewd businessman and he is not giving Galway GAA sponsorship money just out of some purely personal largesse. The timing of this is very, very curious particularly as these questions about Galway GAA finances are not revelations that have just come to light this week.
Certainly it would be better in the long term for Galway if there was a full reckoning now regardless.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: dublin7 on October 02, 2019, 01:01:53 PM
Salaries paid by Croke Park.

If you are taking in millions in income you shouldn't need Croke Park to pay the salary. County Board should be sensible enough to make that decision themselves.

In the case of Galway it seems based on comments from the new treasurer what went on was far more sinister than just a case of board members simply being out of their depth
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on October 02, 2019, 01:29:27 PM
Some difference in revenue between 2017 & 2018, Galways was about 1.2m more in 2018, now some of the increases are easily explained whilst some are just baffling and its hard not to point the finger.

Its just ridiculous that an organisation that has generates revenue of about 5 million didn't have any full time administrator overseeing finances.

Mark Gottsche was appointed finance and operations manager for Galway GAA in July. Bit late to have effect on the years prior to his arrival into the job though but badly needed going forward.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: johnnycool on October 02, 2019, 02:07:34 PM
Some difference in revenue between 2017 & 2018, Galways was about 1.2m more in 2018, now some of the increases are easily explained whilst some are just baffling and its hard not to point the finger.

Its just ridiculous that an organisation that has generates revenue of about 5 million didn't have any full time administrator overseeing finances.

Mark Gottsche was appointed finance and operations manager for Galway GAA in July. Bit late to have effect on the years prior to his arrival into the job though but badly needed going forward.

You'd think he'd be keener than most to get the old dirty washing out in public and draw a line under it but knowing the way County Boards work (or don't in most cases) there'd be plenty of lads still in positions of power not wanting anything to come out especially if there was more than just piss poor mismanagement going on.


WRT the full time secretaries in each county, you'd have to wonder what criteria was used for them to be appointed.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 02, 2019, 03:41:56 PM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.

That's the key point, though, big counties can't afford NOT to have a full time administrator running finances anymore. The money is too big for volunteers to manage, even if some have the skillset to do it.
I agree entirely, the highest standards of governance and competency is what everyone should want in place.

Interested to see what will result from this unprecedented intervention from a main sponsor, McDonagh is a shrewd businessman and he is not giving Galway GAA sponsorship money just out of some purely personal largesse. The timing of this is very, very curious particularly as these questions about Galway GAA finances are not revelations that have just come to light this week.
Certainly it would be better in the long term for Galway if there was a full reckoning now regardless.

Clearly more s**t is about to hit the fan and they don't want their good name to be associated with it.

I see Chill insurance pay 400k a year to sponsor both Cork teams as a comparison.



Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Cunny Funt on October 02, 2019, 04:41:11 PM
Very surprised nobody has commented on this issue, a serious breach of accountability that reflects badly on how Galway GAA and Hurling is run, off the pitch.
This was well covered at the time it broke as a story - it wouldn't have been unexpected for those even with a passing knowledge of the rumours beforehand in Galway - so maybe you just missed it at that time, it's old news for a lot of people.

Dubs can't be blamed is the obvious reason. As Pricey is so obsessed at how Dublin spend GAA money you'd think he/she would be furious at what has been going on (and still hasn't been resolved) in relation to the spending in Galway. County Board members should not have credit cards should be rule no 1 in Galway for starters
It's a certainly a very poor reflection of the financial (and otherwise) ineptitude of some of the most senior people involved in Galway GAA administration and why you would want to drag Dublin into this issue (besides making a stark contrast with the extremely professionally run Dublin county board to Galway's or having some form of a persecution complex) is beyond me.
I'm hopeful that longer term this will be a Rubicon crossing of sorts for Galway GAA but who knows in truth.

That's what happens when a county board doesn't employ a full time person to look after finances and day to day matters.
I think this is a key issue also with respect to competency, not all of the people at senior county board positions - who to be fair give a huge amount of time and effort to the association - have the ability that is required to excel at that level, that's just a fact of life.
Things can improve though, look at Mayo's fundraising efforts for this years New York trip compared to 5 years previously, they are not going in with the biscuit tins this time around.

That's the key point, though, big counties can't afford NOT to have a full time administrator running finances anymore. The money is too big for volunteers to manage, even if some have the skillset to do it.
I agree entirely, the highest standards of governance and competency is what everyone should want in place.

Interested to see what will result from this unprecedented intervention from a main sponsor, McDonagh is a shrewd businessman and he is not giving Galway GAA sponsorship money just out of some purely personal largesse. The timing of this is very, very curious particularly as these questions about Galway GAA finances are not revelations that have just come to light this week.
Certainly it would be better in the long term for Galway if there was a full reckoning now regardless.

Clearly more s**t is about to hit the fan and they don't want their good name to be associated with it.

I see Chill insurance pay 400k a year to sponsor both Cork teams as a comparison.

Official figures or speculation? Might be no harm if all counties disclosed what they are receiving from their sponsors.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Baile Brigín 2 on October 04, 2019, 12:48:10 PM
Salaries paid by Croke Park.

If you are taking in millions in income you shouldn't need Croke Park to pay the salary. County Board should be sensible enough to make that decision themselves.



This. If Galway United,in the second tier, can afford full time admin staff, so should Galway GAA. Its mindbending to think thete are counties that dont have full time support.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Itchy on October 05, 2019, 10:53:33 PM
How much does it cost to get a forensic audit of gaa club or county finances for a year of records, ball park. It cant be cheap.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thejuice on October 06, 2019, 09:23:57 AM
GAA properties raided by the gardai in Limerick apparently. Officials and players supposedly involved in corruption.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9a74092e-e7af-11e9-8f9f-a3d435965222
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: seafoid on October 06, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
GAA properties raided by the gardai in Limerick apparently. Officials and players supposedly involved in corruption.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9a74092e-e7af-11e9-8f9f-a3d435965222
#Jaysus
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 06, 2019, 02:28:11 PM
How much does it cost to get a forensic audit of gaa club or county finances for a year of records, ball park. It cant be cheap.
Depends who is doing it
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Itchy on October 06, 2019, 03:16:27 PM
How much does it cost to get a forensic audit of gaa club or county finances for a year of records, ball park. It cant be cheap.
Depends who is doing it

Well I am sure thats true but if you were building a case like is happening in Galway, I assume some accounts and trawling through everything. I was just wondering is that 10k, 100k or 1k of spending to recover who knows what.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 07, 2019, 08:22:28 AM
GAA properties raided by the gardai in Limerick apparently. Officials and players supposedly involved in corruption.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9a74092e-e7af-11e9-8f9f-a3d435965222

Probably deserves its own thread.....

Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 08, 2019, 02:33:57 PM
Anyone know what Galways debt is? Thought it was 4 million two years ago but reports of been around 3 million last year.

You'd think you'd be able to find their accounts on their own website but unfortunately not. Now comes the news that all contenders for the hurling managers job have pulled out and the chairman has turned into Comical Ali.


According to the Irish Examiner Mr Burke revealed to delegates at the convention that there are also four legal cases pending against Galway GAA.
He said that a review of officers’ expenses revealed that they reached as high as €45,000 in 2016. These expenses will be well short of 10,000 this year though, he confirmed.


The above from last years convention is astonishing yet not surprising. I know nothing about Mike Burke but from a distance it looks like he knows what he's doing although the same can't be said of the chairman.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: giveballaghback on October 08, 2019, 07:55:42 PM
Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: twohands!!! on October 08, 2019, 08:11:33 PM
Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.

Definitely someone should look at the Ed Sheeran concerts last year - Galway County Board only earned €76k from 2 sold-out concerts while Cork GAA netted around €1 million for 3 nights.

That's a difference of €38k versus €330k on a per-night basis.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 09, 2019, 09:05:10 AM
A follow up from Supermac's.

https://www.supermacs.ie/supermacs-statement-re-galway-gaa-finances-follow-up/

3.As previously stated, our concerns in relation to financial matters in Galway GAA were brought to the attention of the Galway County Board 4 years ago and, shortly afterwards, to the attention of Croke Park and nothing happened. We raised these concerns again at a meeting with the County Board in January of this year following the findings of the Mazars Report.

Sounds quite typical, ah be grand, dont worry yourself about it, bit of an FAI job, under age players not having right gear etc.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on October 09, 2019, 10:31:01 AM
Anyone know what Galways debt is? Thought it was 4 million two years ago but reports of been around 3 million last year.

You'd think you'd be able to find their accounts on their own website but unfortunately not. Now comes the news that all contenders for the hurling managers job have pulled out and the chairman has turned into Comical Ali.


According to the Irish Examiner Mr Burke revealed to delegates at the convention that there are also four legal cases pending against Galway GAA.
He said that a review of officers’ expenses revealed that they reached as high as €45,000 in 2016. These expenses will be well short of 10,000 this year though, he confirmed.


The above from last years convention is astonishing yet not surprising. I know nothing about Mike Burke but from a distance it looks like he knows what he's doing although the same can't be said of the chairman.

I believe three million is accurate, the sale of mountain south must of reduced it.

Mr Burke was elected at convention two years, he conducted a big election campaign with big promises of fundraising and management of the debt.

Fast forward to July 2019 the county board are 400k in debt on CURRENT spend for the year. I do believe this prompted the chairman to call in both managers to tell them their respective budgets will need to be cut by 200k.

I'd question how well Mr Burke has been performing, he doesn't seem to have a handle on spending and he hasn't come up with any big fundraising ideas.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 09, 2019, 12:39:27 PM
Anyone know what Galways debt is? Thought it was 4 million two years ago but reports of been around 3 million last year.

You'd think you'd be able to find their accounts on their own website but unfortunately not. Now comes the news that all contenders for the hurling managers job have pulled out and the chairman has turned into Comical Ali.


According to the Irish Examiner Mr Burke revealed to delegates at the convention that there are also four legal cases pending against Galway GAA.
He said that a review of officers’ expenses revealed that they reached as high as €45,000 in 2016. These expenses will be well short of 10,000 this year though, he confirmed.


The above from last years convention is astonishing yet not surprising. I know nothing about Mike Burke but from a distance it looks like he knows what he's doing although the same can't be said of the chairman.

I believe three million is accurate, the sale of mountain south must of reduced it.

Mr Burke was elected at convention two years, he conducted a big election campaign with big promises of fundraising and management of the debt.

Fast forward to July 2019 the county board are 400k in debt on CURRENT spend for the year. I do believe this prompted the chairman to call in both managers to tell them their respective budgets will need to be cut by 200k.

I'd question how well Mr Burke has been performing, he doesn't seem to have a handle on spending and he hasn't come up with any big fundraising ideas.

It will be interesting to see the accounts then, looking at last years accounts they appeared to be going in the right direction so will wait and see what the reasons are for the cutbacks; There's always the chance they've been caused by previous indescrepencies!
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on October 09, 2019, 12:56:05 PM
The hurling side of the county have a lot to answer for to be honest.

Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.

Definitely someone should look at the Ed Sheeran concerts last year - Galway County Board only earned €76k from 2 sold-out concerts while Cork GAA netted around €1 million for 3 nights.

That's a difference of €38k versus €330k on a per-night basis.

This is still mind blowing, has any plausible explanation ever come out?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 09, 2019, 01:51:52 PM
The hurling side of the county have a lot to answer for to be honest.

Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.

Definitely someone should look at the Ed Sheeran concerts last year - Galway County Board only earned €76k from 2 sold-out concerts while Cork GAA netted around €1 million for 3 nights.

That's a difference of €38k versus €330k on a per-night basis.

This is still mind blowing, has any plausible explanation ever come out?

Its ridiculous, would like to know who agreed and signed off on the deal. Someone is either guilty of pure incompetence or something more sinister.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: heffo on October 09, 2019, 02:47:44 PM
Those Ed Sheeran figures are crazy.

Even if the top CB guys were hopelessly out of their depth, why wouldn't they engage with a commercial 3rd party to act on their behalf?.

Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on October 09, 2019, 03:13:33 PM
The hurling side of the county have a lot to answer for to be honest.

Heard primetime investagates are down in galway doing a program on Galway gaa.

Definitely someone should look at the Ed Sheeran concerts last year - Galway County Board only earned €76k from 2 sold-out concerts while Cork GAA netted around €1 million for 3 nights.

That's a difference of €38k versus €330k on a per-night basis.

This is still mind blowing, has any plausible explanation ever come out?

Some of the difference's were accounted for by money paid to salthill gaa and work that had to be carried out Pearse Stadium.

However it seems it was very poorly managed, the chairman and treasurer who oversaw these negotiations are no longer involved
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on October 09, 2019, 03:16:48 PM
Those Ed Sheeran figures are crazy.

Even if the top CB guys were hopelessly out of their depth, why wouldn't they engage with a commercial 3rd party to act on their behalf?.

I'm fairly sure the paid commercial manager who left the role a few years for Connacht Rugby would have overseen negotiations; If this is true then it really doesn't look good.



Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: heffo on October 09, 2019, 03:27:59 PM
I seen a Tweet the other day along the lines of GAA players becoming more professional, GAA officials become more amatuerish.

Is there a toxic culture in Galway at a CB level? Why aren't capable people going for these roles?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: twohands!!! on October 09, 2019, 03:35:30 PM
Those Ed Sheeran figures are crazy.

Even if the top CB guys were hopelessly out of their depth, why wouldn't they engage with a commercial 3rd party to act on their behalf?.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a case of being too out of their depth to know they were out of their depth.

I know a lot of Galway's issues are related to previous incumbents but the current regime don't seem to be doing much of a job in terms of improving matters given the way the relationships with the main sponsors and management/potential management has been handled. I'm sure the last thing McDonagh wanted was to go public with matters.

You'd have thought priority number one for Galway GAA was keeping the lad who gave them €1.6 million over the last five years on-side and in the loop, especially given all the stuff related to the finances. As soon as the new regime took over they should have arranged a meeting with McDonagh and gone through what was done wrong previously and explain the steps being taken to sort things out going forward. It's hard enough to get sponsors on board, so you'd think some small amount of care would be taken with the relationship, especially given the ongoing issues.

In terms of transparency and openness, one simple small step they could take is to publish all the recent financial accounts on the Galway website and what they can of the various financial audit reports. I heard that some parts of the first report couldn't be published because of legal issues [which says a world about what the financial controls and records were like; basically they're pretty certain money went missing but their controls and records were so poor they can't legally pin responsibility on individuals] It would be a small step forward in terms of openness and signal a difference in approach instead of things being shrouded in rumour.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: twohands!!! on October 09, 2019, 03:51:17 PM
I seen a Tweet the other day along the lines of GAA players becoming more professional, GAA officials become more amatuerish.

Is there a toxic culture in Galway at a CB level? Why aren't capable people going for these roles?

Because for the most part county boards are drawing from a relatively small pool of people.
It can be tireless unrewarding work.
A lot of the time it's a case of picking the least worst from those individuals willing to show up.
Also there's little to nothing done in terms of targetting capable people for roles within the organisation.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: TheGreatest on October 25, 2019, 10:05:50 AM
Did anyone catch Primetime last night on this issue and if so anything worth noting?
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Will it ever end on October 25, 2019, 11:10:31 AM
They almost entirely regurgitated the news article without actually naming the county
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: mouview on October 25, 2019, 02:28:23 PM
Did anyone catch Primetime last night on this issue and if so anything worth noting?

An unnamed official in an unnamed county might have ran up big, unsubstantiated bills on a credit card.
In other news, dog regurgitates man's homework while Miriam O'Callaghan pleads "Won't somebody pleeeease think of the children".
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: macdanger2 on October 25, 2019, 05:04:20 PM
With the levels of cash going through CBs going into the millions, central GAA should be providing some sort of framework to make it easier for CBs to manage their finances better (or make it harder for people to fiddle it depending on how you look at it)
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 18, 2019, 09:31:16 AM
Mick Culhane going for Galway chairman according to John Fogarty, strikes me as the sort of bloke Galway could do with.

Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on November 18, 2019, 10:44:01 AM
Mick Culhane going for Galway chairman according to John Fogarty, strikes me as the sort of bloke Galway could do with.
Agreed although it will be interesting to see how that goes down with the hurling fraternity!
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thewobbler on November 18, 2019, 11:16:33 AM
With the levels of cash going through CBs going into the millions, central GAA should be providing some sort of framework to make it easier for CBs to manage their finances better (or make it harder for people to fiddle it depending on how you look at it)

Until county team management become PAYE employees of a county board, it’s going to be extremely difficult to put a common framework in place, as there will always be a need for unregistered income to balance the unregistered expenditure.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on November 18, 2019, 03:05:16 PM
Mick Culhane going for Galway chairman according to John Fogarty, strikes me as the sort of bloke Galway could do with.
Agreed although it will be interesting to see how that goes down with the hurling fraternity!

Past time that the pendulum swung back to the football a bit and it should be a no brainer to replace the incumbent, but I won't hold my breath.
No offence to the hurling fraternity in Galway but the forced amalgamation of the hurling and football at County Board level has been disastrous and I know where I'd be putting most of the blame. The hurling men shouldn't even be in Loughgeorge, nevermind deciding what teams get priority there.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 18, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
Mick Culhane going for Galway chairman according to John Fogarty, strikes me as the sort of bloke Galway could do with.
Agreed although it will be interesting to see how that goes down with the hurling fraternity!

Past time that the pendulum swung back to the football a bit and it should be a no brainer to replace the incumbent, but I won't hold my breath.
No offence to the hurling fraternity in Galway but the forced amalgamation of the hurling and football at County Board level has been disastrous and I know where I'd be putting most of the blame. The hurling men shouldn't even be in Loughgeorge, nevermind deciding what teams get priority there.
how's the hurling training centre coming along??
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on December 11, 2019, 11:52:30 AM
Galway are reporting a loss of over a quarter of a million in the latest accounts, they've had a drop in income of nearly a million mainly down to to a drop in sponsorship of over 700,000.

I'm no expert but I suspect sponsorship money has been held back given whats gone in previous year, no coincidence with Mick Culhane going for chairman given his involvement in fundraising matters; Given yesterdays statement from tribesman supporters club it would be ridiculous not to appoint Culhane.

Sorry meant fundraising not sponsorship
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 11, 2019, 01:01:55 PM
Galway are reporting a loss of over a quarter of a million in the latest accounts, they've had a drop in income of nearly a million mainly down to to a drop in sponsorship of over 700,000.

I'm no expert but I suspect sponsorship money has been held back given whats gone in previous year, no coincidence with Mick Culhane going for chairman given his involvement in fundraising matters; Given yesterdays statement from tribesman supporters club it would be ridiculous not to appoint Culhane.

Sponsorship went up going this. It's fundraising that was dramatically down. Plus no concert like there was the previous year.


By John Fallon

The extent of the financial crisis in Galway GAA will be laid bare to club delegates next Monday night when a loss for the year of over €250,000 will be unveiled.

Income in Galway GAA has dropped by almost €1m after a turbulent year and while expenditure has been reduced, the drop of almost 20% in income has seen a profit last year of €373,831 turn into a deficit of €261,248 for 2019.

Yesterday’s announcement by the Tribesmen GAA supporters’ club that they are ‘assessing its future’ after being described as being ‘a medium risk’ in the Mazars report into Galway GAA is the latest twist in a saga which has now dragged on for a year. The supporters’ club, which said it raised almost €1.2m in the past three years. said they were not consulted or briefed before the report was made public.

Two months ago, long-serving main sponsors Supermac’s twice issued public statements demanding to know how their sponsorship was spent.

Outgoing chairman Pat Kearney is being challenged at next Monday night’s annual convention by businessman Mick Culhane, a prolific fundraiser who has put increasing income and adopting strict procedures as the main pillars of his candidacy.

It has now emerged that the big drop in Galway’s income for 2019 was in fundraising income. Sponsorship increased from €551,677 to €609,968 but fundraising dropped from €860,228 to just €144,743 following the revelations at last year’s convention.

Income in 2018 was boosted by an Ed Sheeran concert at Pearse Stadium which yielded €119,085 but there was no concert this year.

Income for 2019 was €4,059,671 (down from €4,947,134), with expenditure of €4,320,919 (down from €4,573,303), leaving a deficit of €261,248 before depreciation after a surplus of €373,831 last year.

Galway secretary Seamus O’Grady, in his report, noted that it had been a difficult year but that new procedures were bow being put in place.

“I wish to thank the chairpersons of the various committees for their co-operation and work on the different projects during the year, a year that has been quite fractious and challenging for everybody involved in Galway GAA in 2019,” he said.

“As reported at last year’s Convention, Mazars, the international auditing and corporate finance company, carried out a review of the financial controls, policies, procedures and staffing levels in operation with the Galway County Committee, and presented their findings earlier in the year.

“Since their findings and recommendations were made known, Galway GAA, with the assistance of the GAA at Central level, has overseen a review of its financial operation.

“We are currently implementing the findings of the 2018 Mazars report, which highlighted previous governance deficiencies in Galway GAA.

“This is work in pogress and is being overseen by David Connellan from Croke Park.

“When completed it will ensure the highest standards of financial and accounting practices are in place,” he added.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on December 11, 2019, 02:43:13 PM
Galway are reporting a loss of over a quarter of a million in the latest accounts, they've had a drop in income of nearly a million mainly down to to a drop in sponsorship of over 700,000.

I'm no expert but I suspect sponsorship money has been held back given whats gone in previous year, no coincidence with Mick Culhane going for chairman given his involvement in fundraising matters; Given yesterdays statement from tribesman supporters club it would be ridiculous not to appoint Culhane.

Sorry meant fundraising not sponsorship
I don't recall a person from the football side of the county ever being elected chairperson of the galway county board, so Culhane is up against it to say the least
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on December 11, 2019, 05:21:42 PM
Galway are reporting a loss of over a quarter of a million in the latest accounts, they've had a drop in income of nearly a million mainly down to to a drop in sponsorship of over 700,000.

I'm no expert but I suspect sponsorship money has been held back given whats gone in previous year, no coincidence with Mick Culhane going for chairman given his involvement in fundraising matters; Given yesterdays statement from tribesman supporters club it would be ridiculous not to appoint Culhane.

Sorry meant fundraising not sponsorship
I don't recall a person from the football side of the county ever being elected chairperson of the galway county board, so Culhane is up against it to say the least
And how has that worked out for the county as a whole so far? What has the incumbent Kearney achieved during his tenure that's of any note? His opponent, who has a track record of success as both a businessman and a fund raiser has put "increasing income and adopting strict procedures as the main pillars of his candidacy", sign me up for that.
In contrast anyone who heard Kearney on GBFM after the county board scandalously edited Kevin Walsh's resignation statement could only have been left incredulous. 

Galway GAA is in bad order and if the hurling side of the county is only concerned with having one of "their own" in place given all that's occurred, then they deserve another 57 year Liam MacCarthy famine with more years on top for good measure.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on December 11, 2019, 07:20:58 PM
i agree An Fhairche Abu, it will be a very interesting election ! When Kearney was first elected he beat Kevin Clancy by a single vote, on the night every hurling club was present, every football club bar one was there :(
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on December 16, 2019, 09:37:33 PM
No change in Galway, Kearney stays there, vote not even close.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on December 17, 2019, 05:39:05 AM
No change in Galway, Kearney stays there, vote not even close.
Kearney was returned on a 146 - 110 vote.  Secretary & treasurer returned also.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out with Pat McDonagh in the coming months! 
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on December 17, 2019, 01:53:49 PM
It shouldn't surprise me but it does

Only in the last week we've had the supporters club issue a warning about fundraising, then there was the mammoth decrease in fundraising in the accounts and then before the delegates last night Kearney told everyone how difficult and demanding the job was yet they still voted him back in whilst ignoring one of the best candidates that will be put forward in any county. Do the hurling clubs have short memories and forgotten why O'Donoghue left?

Good luck to Shane O'Neill as he's going to need it, suspect he won't find it as easy to fund raise Joyce will.

On a separate note the treasurer appears to be doing a very good job and Galway are in a far better place thanks to him. So the country board have generated nearly 400,000 euro extra in club gate receipts to 2 years ago; You'd have to wonder how much has gone missing under previous regimes.


Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on December 17, 2019, 03:30:48 PM
So the country board have generated nearly 400,000 euro extra in club gate receipts to 2 years ago; You'd have to wonder how much has gone missing under previous regimes.
This is the most salient point to note from anything that's come out the last while.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on December 17, 2019, 03:33:13 PM
It shouldn't surprise me but it does

Only in the last week we've had the supporters club issue a warning about fundraising, then there was the mammoth decrease in fundraising in the accounts and then before the delegates last night Kearney told everyone how difficult and demanding the job was yet they still voted him back in whilst ignoring one of the best candidates that will be put forward in any county. Do the hurling clubs have short memories and forgotten why O'Donoghue left?

Good luck to Shane O'Neill as he's going to need it, suspect he won't find it as easy to fund raise Joyce will.

On a separate note the treasurer appears to be doing a very good job and Galway are in a far better place thanks to him. So the country board have generated nearly 400,000 euro extra in club gate receipts to 2 years ago; You'd have to wonder how much has gone missing under previous regimes.

Why o'Donoghue left is still a mystery in my opinion, ok there had been rumors that the funding was going to be cut, but we know that wasn't true. There was talk that he had to pay for tickets for the all-Ireland, but imho that seems like a very weak reason for leaving. Interestingly none of the hurling club delegates had a cut at kearney last night. If kearney was so bad as whats been made out in social media i would of thought at least one delegate would of tackled him, note there is a lot talk that Pat Kearney is a cowboy but nothing to actually back it up, okay he will admit himself he might not be the best communicator but I haven't heard of him doing anything wrong.

I wouldn't be so sure about the treasurer myself, he performed very well in his first year, but hasn't done much of late. Galway GAA ran a quarter of a million debt this year. Okay gate receipts are up, but there was no breakdown of the figures, how much of this is down to extra matches due to championship changes, replays etc ? He reckons we need to raise 500k, but had no plan for this and wont be tackling it until after xmas, surely it was his job to keep the supporters club sweet and onboard ?


Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on December 17, 2019, 06:43:33 PM
On a separate note the treasurer appears to be doing a very good job and Galway are in a far better place thanks to him. So the country board have generated nearly 400,000 euro extra in club gate receipts to 2 years ago; You'd have to wonder how much has gone missing under previous regimes.

Think I read last night that gate receipts from club games in Galway are now the highest in the country. Maybe because they know they have to account for every penny now.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: twohands!!! on December 17, 2019, 06:49:53 PM
If kearney was so bad as whats been made out in social media i would of thought at least one delegate would of tackled him, note there is a lot talk that Pat Kearney is a cowboy but nothing to actually back it up, okay he will admit himself he might not be the best communicator but I haven't heard of him doing anything wrong.

I wouldn't be so sure about the treasurer myself, he performed very well in his first year, but hasn't done much of late. Galway GAA ran a quarter of a million debt this year. Okay gate receipts are up, but there was no breakdown of the figures, how much of this is down to extra matches due to championship changes, replays etc ? He reckons we need to raise 500k, but had no plan for this and wont be tackling it until after xmas, surely it was his job to keep the supporters club sweet and onboard ?

Kearney and the treasurer should have been gone the same day McDonagh made his statement.
There's no defending a situation where your main sponsor feels forced to make a public statement like McDonagh did, especially given all the previous issues with finances.
The fact that they Kearney won the vote to continue on in the position is just beyond stupid.



Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on December 17, 2019, 07:23:42 PM
It shouldn't surprise me but it does

Only in the last week we've had the supporters club issue a warning about fundraising, then there was the mammoth decrease in fundraising in the accounts and then before the delegates last night Kearney told everyone how difficult and demanding the job was yet they still voted him back in whilst ignoring one of the best candidates that will be put forward in any county. Do the hurling clubs have short memories and forgotten why O'Donoghue left?

Good luck to Shane O'Neill as he's going to need it, suspect he won't find it as easy to fund raise Joyce will.

On a separate note the treasurer appears to be doing a very good job and Galway are in a far better place thanks to him. So the country board have generated nearly 400,000 euro extra in club gate receipts to 2 years ago; You'd have to wonder how much has gone missing under previous regimes.

Why o'Donoghue left is still a mystery in my opinion, ok there had been rumors that the funding was going to be cut, but we know that wasn't true. There was talk that he had to pay for tickets for the all-Ireland, but imho that seems like a very weak reason for leaving. Interestingly none of the hurling club delegates had a cut at kearney last night. If kearney was so bad as whats been made out in social media i would of thought at least one delegate would of tackled him, note there is a lot talk that Pat Kearney is a cowboy but nothing to actually back it up, okay he will admit himself he might not be the best communicator but I haven't heard of him doing anything wrong.

I wouldn't be so sure about the treasurer myself, he performed very well in his first year, but hasn't done much of late. Galway GAA ran a quarter of a million debt this year. Okay gate receipts are up, but there was no breakdown of the figures, how much of this is down to extra matches due to championship changes, replays etc ? He reckons we need to raise 500k, but had no plan for this and wont be tackling it until after xmas, surely it was his job to keep the supporters club sweet and onboard ?

O'Donoghue & Walsh were told their were significant cuts to their budget.

Kearney might not be a cowboy but he should not have got back in given the calibre of his opponent, I think its a huge missed opportunity. Its not about whats he done wrong, I'd like to know what exactly has he done right? The treasurer was the instigator in sorting out the finances.

You're been naive if you don't think there was an issue with gate receipts under the previous regime, from what I can see the evidence does point towards the rumours been true.

I'd like the full time employee Mark Gotsche will be in charge of fundraising from now.








Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on December 17, 2019, 10:23:10 PM
How do you know that Walsh & O'Donoghue were told there was significant cuts to their budget ? Neither of them publicly stated it, and the treasurer on monday night stated that this wasn't the case, and no delegate stood up to contradict him.

The calibre of the opponent ? his opponent had plenty of business experience where you can sack an employee who isn't performing but the man had little if any experience in the non profit area where you have to bring a team along with you. I honestly don't think he was as strong a candidate as you might think.

There was an issue with gate receipts, but I would of liked to see a better breakdown of the figures, ie revenue per match figures etc.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on December 18, 2019, 08:23:58 AM
How would we classify Kearney's success as a fundraiser for Galway GAA? Massive hole in the finances on this aspect for the year, blaming the early exit of the two Senior teams isn't going to entirely cut it really as an excuse given the approx €700k drop. Are we to believe that unless one of the teams make an AI final, good fundraising is going to be impossible to sustain year on year? Kearney stated that our financial systems are the "envy" of others, doubtful anyone is looking to copy Galway's fundraising system anyway.
I see from reports that Kearney made out that the relationship with Supermacs was "very, very good", I mean who is he fooling with that nonsense apart from the hurling delegates?

Quote
Brian Keville of Liam Mellows was also complimentary of the reforms brought about, but believes Galway GAA cannot simply forget their troubled past.

“Looking back at the 2017 accounts, inter-county gate receipts over the past two years have increased from €195k to €297k and club gate receipts have increased from €866k to €1.2m. With a difference of €483k in three years down to the new bosca system (tickets are purchased at a van outside the ground on match-day to eliminate cash changing hands at the turnstile), does it, unfortunately, shine a light on past practices? Until we deal with matters of the past, it is very hard to move forward with confidence.”
That's from the Examiner report, I think Mr Keville is spot on with his inference to past practices, the leap in revenue is huge, are we really to suppose that the club attendances in particular have increased to match that rise in two years?

Any mention from the top table about the systemic issues requiring action that were highlighted by KW in his resignation statement? Football issues so probably not a major concern for the Galway GAA top brass that edited out reference to it in his statement in the first place.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: thebackbar1 on December 18, 2019, 09:53:40 AM
How would we classify Kearney's success as a fundraiser for Galway GAA? Massive hole in the finances on this aspect for the year, blaming the early exit of the two Senior teams isn't going to entirely cut it really as an excuse given the approx €700k drop. Are we to believe that unless one of the teams make an AI final, good fundraising is going to be impossible to sustain year on year? Kearney stated that our financial systems are the "envy" of others, doubtful anyone is looking to copy Galway's fundraising system anyway.
I see from reports that Kearney made out that the relationship with Supermacs was "very, very good", I mean who is he fooling with that nonsense apart from the hurling delegates?

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Brian Keville of Liam Mellows was also complimentary of the reforms brought about, but believes Galway GAA cannot simply forget their troubled past.

“Looking back at the 2017 accounts, inter-county gate receipts over the past two years have increased from €195k to €297k and club gate receipts have increased from €866k to €1.2m. With a difference of €483k in three years down to the new bosca system (tickets are purchased at a van outside the ground on match-day to eliminate cash changing hands at the turnstile), does it, unfortunately, shine a light on past practices? Until we deal with matters of the past, it is very hard to move forward with confidence.”
That's from the Examiner report, I think Mr Keville is spot on with his inference to past practices, the leap in revenue is huge, are we really to suppose that the club attendances in particular have increased to match that rise in two years?

Any mention from the top table about the systemic issues requiring action that were highlighted by KW in his resignation statement? Football issues so probably not a major concern for the Galway GAA top brass that edited out reference to it in his statement in the first place.
Surely its the treasurer that should have been driving the fundraising ? How come Kearney is getting all the blame, and Mike Burke is seen as the white knight ? I don't fathom this at all.

I'm not sure what Mr Keville was suggesting should be done ? i would imagine the only hard data they have is that the cash figures are up, if someone was pocketing the money in the past how would they prove it ? I very much doubt they would have evidence to get a conviction.

In regards to Kevin Walshs resignation statement both the County Secretary and County PRO are from football clubs questions should have been asked of them all right.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: five points on December 18, 2019, 10:59:09 AM

Surely its the treasurer that should have been driving the fundraising ? How come Kearney is getting all the blame, and Mike Burke is seen as the white knight ? I don't fathom this at all.

The buck stops with the Chairman.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: Maroon Manc on December 18, 2019, 12:38:59 PM
Not getting into it on here why I know but they were both told there was significant cuts to theirs budgets. Two men who wanted to stay on both walked, its no coincidence.

@backbar It was the treasurer who brought the issues to delegates attention not the chairman, I'd say he never expected what was ahead of him when he pitched for the job. He's doing a very good job of sorting out this mess and would imagine all his time in the role so far has been spent on this matter rather than fundraising. I'd lay the blame at the fundraising soley at the chairmans door, the same man who told the delegates how demanding and difficult it was yet voted him back in. I'm yet to to see or hear what the chairman has brought to the role?
 
I know they went out early in both codes but for a county of Galway's size and the wealthy diaspora the miserable amount that was raised through fundraising was bizarre. I don't think its beyond the realms of fantasy to suggest it was a protest at whats gone on with Galway's finances. There's certainly more to it then not making progressing beyond where they did.




Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: An Fhairche Abu on December 18, 2019, 12:53:46 PM
Surely its the treasurer that should have been driving the fundraising ? How come Kearney is getting all the blame, and Mike Burke is seen as the white knight ? I don't fathom this at all.
Kearney isn't getting all the blame, questions rightly have to be asked of the Treasurer on this aspect as the collapse in fundraising is so severe, his position wasn't up for contest at this particular convention however. Will be interesting to see what the county board are capable of doing with regards to fund raising in NY next May, Kerry have done massively successful fundraising abroad and they don't even have a championship match against NY to build around.
Galway's main sponsor was publicly questioning how their sponsorship money was used over the previous 4 years as recently as last October, yet Kearney was quoted as talking about the "very, very good" relationship, some turnaround there.

I'm not sure what Mr Keville was suggesting should be done ? i would imagine the only hard data they have is that the cash figures are up, if someone was pocketing the money in the past how would they prove it ? I very much doubt they would have evidence to get a conviction.

No harm to point out the incredible turnaround there and the fact that it's down the changes that were implemented which has stopped money going "missing" for whatever reason. I'd agree that there's no chance of convictions but we can't go back to a "nothing to see here" mentality. This situation only changed once Croke Park had to get seriously involved in sorting Galway out, Kearney has been in the top job since 2016.

I'm yet to to see or hear what the chairman has brought to the role?

Same for us all.
Title: Re: Serious financial irregularities in Galway
Post by: johnnycool on December 18, 2019, 03:10:26 PM
It shouldn't surprise me but it does

Only in the last week we've had the supporters club issue a warning about fundraising, then there was the mammoth decrease in fundraising in the accounts and then before the delegates last night Kearney told everyone how difficult and demanding the job was yet they still voted him back in whilst ignoring one of the best candidates that will be put forward in any county. Do the hurling clubs have short memories and forgotten why O'Donoghue left?

Good luck to Shane O'Neill as he's going to need it, suspect he won't find it as easy to fund raise Joyce will.

On a separate note the treasurer appears to be doing a very good job and Galway are in a far better place thanks to him. So the country board have generated nearly 400,000 euro extra in club gate receipts to 2 years ago; You'd have to wonder how much has gone missing under previous regimes.

Is it up to the county management team to fundraise in Galway?

That takes me back to the Babbs Keating days with Tipp in the 80's...........