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Title: Jay Donnelly
Post by: downjim on January 11, 2019, 09:52:48 AM
Whatís your views men? It looks brutal for Cliftonville, that wee girls life is ruined
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: screenexile on January 11, 2019, 09:56:29 AM
Horrible!! He sounds like a complete halfwit and deserves to be locked up because he was old enough to know better.

Surely Cliftonville have to let him go as well. . .
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2019, 10:27:36 AM
I have read varying reports on the age of the girl. What are the facts here? The various ghetto dwellers from Crusaders, Linfield etc are calling him a paedophile etc. but I believe the girl was 17 which is within the age of consent for sex (leaving aside the distribution of the photo). If this actually the case then how is the offence against "a child"?
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 11, 2019, 10:30:14 AM
I have read varying reports on the age of the girl. What are the facts here? The various ghetto dwellers from Crusaders, Linfield etc are calling him a paedophile etc. but I believe the girl was 17 which is within the age of consent for sex (leaving aside the distribution of the photo). If this actually the case then how is the offence against "a child"?

16 when photo was taken.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 11, 2019, 10:34:16 AM
I have read varying reports on the age of the girl. What are the facts here? The various ghetto dwellers from Crusaders, Linfield etc are calling him a paedophile etc. but I believe the girl was 17 which is within the age of consent for sex (leaving aside the distribution of the photo). If this actually the case then how is the offence against "a child"?

16 when photo was taken.
Ah right that makes more sense then. Certainly not a paedophile as the great unwashed as saying but a very foolish fella although sharing photos on Whatsapp is hardly unique these days.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: toby47 on January 11, 2019, 10:37:34 AM
I have read varying reports on the age of the girl. What are the facts here? The various ghetto dwellers from Crusaders, Linfield etc are calling him a paedophile etc. but I believe the girl was 17 which is within the age of consent for sex (leaving aside the distribution of the photo). If this actually the case then how is the offence against "a child"?

16 when photo was taken.

Is 16 classified as under age, or is 15 and below under age? He was 20/21 at the time.

Sent the picture to his mates. 1 mate privately & 10 Cliftonville team mates in a groupchat.

Must be an eejit. The photos I seen she looked to be posing in one of them, but again once you send them around and they go viral your in bother.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 11, 2019, 10:38:14 AM
Not a great situation for the lad. Hard to defend it, but whoever in his group of mates then sent it to the wider public via facebook also deserves 4 months for me. The name is widely suspected but nothing will come of that I assume.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: downjim on January 11, 2019, 10:41:32 AM
Reading stuff on twitter about him and the brother, hard to know what to believe but itís a lesson for all sports clubs
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: general_lee on January 11, 2019, 10:57:48 AM
The whole age thing isnít the (main) issue here for me, itís the fact he sent his mates the pictures. Doesnít matter if she was 16 or 36, itís a complete sc**bag act. 4 months is a let off, his defence are appealing and part of the basis is that he is of such low intelligence that he is bordering on having a learning difficulty  ::)
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: trailer on January 11, 2019, 11:03:38 AM
Very sad for the girl involved.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: HiMucker on January 11, 2019, 11:23:23 AM
The whole age thing isnít the (main) issue here for me, itís the fact he sent his mates the pictures. Doesnít matter if she was 16 or 36, itís a complete sc**bag act. 4 months is a let off, his defence are appealing and part of the basis is that he is of such low intelligence that he is bordering on having a learning difficulty  ::)
This
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Kidder81 on January 11, 2019, 11:27:53 AM
The whole age thing isnít the (main) issue here for me, itís the fact he sent his mates the pictures. Doesnít matter if she was 16 or 36, itís a complete sc**bag act. 4 months is a let off, his defence are appealing and part of the basis is that he is of such low intelligence that he is bordering on having a learning difficulty  ::)

Mental health issues no doubt
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: johnnycool on January 11, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
The whole age thing isnít the (main) issue here for me, itís the fact he sent his mates the pictures. Doesnít matter if she was 16 or 36, itís a complete sc**bag act. 4 months is a let off, his defence are appealing and part of the basis is that he is of such low intelligence that he is bordering on having a learning difficulty  ::)

f**ker knew what he was at; A, having sex with a child and B, sending the pictures to his mates when she allegedly told him to delete it. sc**bag actions.

4 months getting the hole rid off him in prison will cure his willingness to share his dirty deeds on social media and maybe be a lesson to other scumbags inclined to do the same.

Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Kidder81 on January 11, 2019, 11:36:43 AM
Is his Da the ďcommentatorĒ Chris Donnelly ?
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: screenexile on January 11, 2019, 11:38:13 AM
Just asking a question maybe one of our legal experts can answer?

Why is she considered a child for the charge of distributing images but there is no issue with him having sex with her because she was the legal age for consent??!!
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: GetOverTheBar on January 11, 2019, 11:53:53 AM
Just asking a question maybe one of our legal experts can answer?

Why is she considered a child for the charge of distributing images but there is no issue with him having sex with her because she was the legal age for consent??!!

He was convicted of distributing an indecent image of a child. For that purpose a child is considered under 18.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: johnnycool on January 11, 2019, 12:00:04 PM

https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent (https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent)

NORTHERN IRELAND
The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women. The age of consent is the same regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 introduced a series of laws to protect children under 16 from abuse. However, the law is not intended to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation.

Specific laws protect children under 13, who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for rape and assault by penetration. There is no defence of mistaken belief about the age of the child, as there is in cases involving 13Ė15 year olds.

Article 79 of The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 amended ďrelevant offenceĒ for section 5(1) of the Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 to exclude the duty to report information about the commission of an offence under Article 20. This therefore means that there is no statutory duty under criminal law to report to the police cases of sexual activity involving children under the age of 16 under articles 16 to 19 of the Order, where the other party is aged under 18"





I presume he was deemed to be off a similar age although he was 21, 5 years older, not sure how that works either, but even at that the "unless it involves abuse or exploitation" surely would be triggered when he took pictures of her against her wishes and distributed them.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Taylor on January 11, 2019, 12:06:29 PM

https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent (https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent)

NORTHERN IRELAND
The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women. The age of consent is the same regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 introduced a series of laws to protect children under 16 from abuse. However, the law is not intended to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation.

Specific laws protect children under 13, who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for rape and assault by penetration. There is no defence of mistaken belief about the age of the child, as there is in cases involving 13Ė15 year olds.

Article 79 of The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 amended ďrelevant offenceĒ for section 5(1) of the Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 to exclude the duty to report information about the commission of an offence under Article 20. This therefore means that there is no statutory duty under criminal law to report to the police cases of sexual activity involving children under the age of 16 under articles 16 to 19 of the Order, where the other party is aged under 18"





I presume he was deemed to be off a similar age although he was 21, 5 years older, not sure how that works either, but even at that the "unless it involves abuse or exploitation" surely would be triggered when he took pictures of her against her wishes and distributed them.

Took pictures of her against her wishes?

Why wasnt the sentence harsher?
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: screenexile on January 11, 2019, 12:31:43 PM
Just asking a question maybe one of our legal experts can answer?

Why is she considered a child for the charge of distributing images but there is no issue with him having sex with her because she was the legal age for consent??!!

He was convicted of distributing an indecent image of a child. For that purpose a child is considered under 18.

Fair enough thanks.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: downjim on January 11, 2019, 12:32:05 PM
What cliftonville player sent it on
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: LeoMc on January 11, 2019, 01:24:45 PM
Not a great situation for the lad. Hard to defend it, but whoever in his group of mates then sent it to the wider public via facebook also deserves 4 months for me. The name is widely suspected but nothing will come of that I assume.
I would have thought that anyone who re-shared the photo could have been done for distribution. However it would be easier for them to claim not to know she was under 18. Donnelly did not have that excuse.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: hardstation on January 11, 2019, 07:46:53 PM

https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent (https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent)

NORTHERN IRELAND
The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women. The age of consent is the same regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 introduced a series of laws to protect children under 16 from abuse. However, the law is not intended to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation.

Specific laws protect children under 13, who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for rape and assault by penetration. There is no defence of mistaken belief about the age of the child, as there is in cases involving 13Ė15 year olds.

Article 79 of The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 amended ďrelevant offenceĒ for section 5(1) of the Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 to exclude the duty to report information about the commission of an offence under Article 20. This therefore means that there is no statutory duty under criminal law to report to the police cases of sexual activity involving children under the age of 16 under articles 16 to 19 of the Order, where the other party is aged under 18"





I presume he was deemed to be off a similar age although he was 21, 5 years older, not sure how that works either, but even at that the "unless it involves abuse or exploitation" surely would be triggered when he took pictures of her against her wishes and distributed them.
I have no sympathy for him but I donít follow your train of thought.
She was 16. It was legal for him to have sex with her.
I donít think he took the pictures against her wishes. It has been mentioned that she posed for some of them.
He distributed an indecent image of someone under 18. This is illegal. This is what he was done for.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Therealdonald on January 11, 2019, 08:38:51 PM

https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent (https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent)

NORTHERN IRELAND
The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women. The age of consent is the same regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 introduced a series of laws to protect children under 16 from abuse. However, the law is not intended to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation.

Specific laws protect children under 13, who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for rape and assault by penetration. There is no defence of mistaken belief about the age of the child, as there is in cases involving 13Ė15 year olds.

Article 79 of The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 amended ďrelevant offenceĒ for section 5(1) of the Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 to exclude the duty to report information about the commission of an offence under Article 20. This therefore means that there is no statutory duty under criminal law to report to the police cases of sexual activity involving children under the age of 16 under articles 16 to 19 of the Order, where the other party is aged under 18"





I presume he was deemed to be off a similar age although he was 21, 5 years older, not sure how that works either, but even at that the "unless it involves abuse or exploitation" surely would be triggered when he took pictures of her against her wishes and distributed them.
I have no sympathy for him but I donít follow your train of thought.
She was 16. It was legal for him to have sex with her.
I donít think he took the pictures against her wishes. It has been mentioned that she posed for some of them.
He distributed an indecent image of someone under 18. This is illegal. This is what he was done for.

Alot of us on here with children, would be best keeping quiet. What happened Jay Donnelly, could easily be our son, or the girl could be our daughter. This is the modern world. Just keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: screenexile on January 11, 2019, 09:28:59 PM

https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent (https://www.fpa.org.uk/factsheets/law-on-sex#age-consent)

NORTHERN IRELAND
The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women. The age of consent is the same regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 introduced a series of laws to protect children under 16 from abuse. However, the law is not intended to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation.

Specific laws protect children under 13, who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for rape and assault by penetration. There is no defence of mistaken belief about the age of the child, as there is in cases involving 13Ė15 year olds.

Article 79 of The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 amended ďrelevant offenceĒ for section 5(1) of the Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 to exclude the duty to report information about the commission of an offence under Article 20. This therefore means that there is no statutory duty under criminal law to report to the police cases of sexual activity involving children under the age of 16 under articles 16 to 19 of the Order, where the other party is aged under 18"





I presume he was deemed to be off a similar age although he was 21, 5 years older, not sure how that works either, but even at that the "unless it involves abuse or exploitation" surely would be triggered when he took pictures of her against her wishes and distributed them.
I have no sympathy for him but I donít follow your train of thought.
She was 16. It was legal for him to have sex with her.
I donít think he took the pictures against her wishes. It has been mentioned that she posed for some of them.
He distributed an indecent image of someone under 18. This is illegal. This is what he was done for.

Alot of us on here with children, would be best keeping quiet. What happened Jay Donnelly, could easily be our son, or the girl could be our daughter. This is the modern world. Just keep that in mind.

Itís genuinely one of the few things that worries me about the future!!
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: JimStynes on January 11, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
If itís the blonde girl in the pics that were doing the rounds on WhatsApp, she would easily pass for early 20s. Did he know she was only 16 at the time? Taking pics and sending them around mates is a sc**bag move.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Therealdonald on January 11, 2019, 10:37:31 PM
If itís the blonde girl in the pics that weíre doing the rounds on WhatsApp, she would easily pass for early 20s. Did he know she was only 16 at the time? Taking pics and sending them around mates is a sc**bag move.

100% agree. But I'm sure when we look back at some of the stuff we got up to, it wouldn't be good either. It was just that the use of cameras wasn't as prevalent.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Over the Bar on January 12, 2019, 12:23:23 AM
FFS have the lad Donnelly and the girl not been through enough? Does it really need GAA fans starting a thread asking for everyone's tuppence worth to the rights and wrongs?
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Orior on January 12, 2019, 06:01:34 AM
The world feeds on gossip, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: RedHand88 on January 12, 2019, 09:11:28 AM
Is it true that he met her on a night out in the pub?
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: hardstation on January 12, 2019, 09:22:08 AM
FFS have the lad Donnelly and the girl not been through enough? Does it really need GAA fans starting a thread asking for everyone's tuppence worth to the rights and wrongs?
Has someone hacked your account? I donít recall you having any issues picking away at the Ulster Rugby trial.
Anyway, it was one of the main stories in the news this week, people are going to talk about it.
Imagine he played for Liverpool......
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: trailer on January 12, 2019, 10:51:44 AM
Donnelly is a clown. No brains. The state of him and his supporters going in and out the court. Think they're in an episode of footballers wives.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Over the Bar on January 12, 2019, 10:58:46 AM
FFS have the lad Donnelly and the girl not been through enough? Does it really need GAA fans starting a thread asking for everyone's tuppence worth to the rights and wrongs?
Has someone hacked your account? I donít recall you having any issues picking away at the Ulster Rugby trial.
Anyway, it was one of the main stories in the news this week, people are going to talk about it.
Imagine he played for Liverpool......

Liverpool players have done much worse than Donnelly and didn't see the inside of a cell.   If Donnelly earned £100k a week he wouldn't either as you can effectively buy your way out of these things with the best legal teams.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: general_lee on January 12, 2019, 11:51:48 AM
Iíd say Donnelly has got enough from irish league supporters and even some reds supporters without worrying about what a few culchies on here are saying. He probably thought he was billy big balls getting her to pose in his shirt, and she probably thought she was great pulling a footballer. His mistake was sharing those photos. Even if she was older than 16, itís a scummy move just to show off to his mates.
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: spuds on January 15, 2019, 02:01:42 PM
Another gem of a lad!

'He's devastated' - Oxford United release statement after Northern Ireland's Gavin Whyte seen performing sex act in leaked video

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/hes-devastated-oxford-united-release-statement-after-northern-irelands-gavin-whyte-seen-performing-sex-act-in-leaked-video-37712969.html
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: screenexile on January 15, 2019, 02:53:16 PM
Another gem of a lad!

'He's devastated' - Oxford United release statement after Northern Ireland's Gavin Whyte seen performing sex act in leaked video

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/hes-devastated-oxford-united-release-statement-after-northern-irelands-gavin-whyte-seen-performing-sex-act-in-leaked-video-37712969.html

THis one I don't think is such a big deal. Him and a mate walking along with the lads out in front of their friends. Yes it's stupid but it hasn't hurt anyone and whichever of his mates decided to share this video or take it in the first place is a complete asshole!!!
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: general_lee on January 15, 2019, 02:55:04 PM
Since when was the helicopter a sex act?! Should know better in fairness... especially someone in front of him videoing  ::)
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: TabClear on January 15, 2019, 03:26:28 PM
Since when was the helicopter a sex act?! Should know better in fairness... especially someone in front of him videoing  ::)

Scourge of Clickbait headlines.

Agree with you, stupid act but hardly a big deal. The assholes who post the likes of this online should be kicked round the place
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Therealdonald on January 15, 2019, 04:08:12 PM
Iíd say Donnelly has got enough from irish league supporters and even some reds supporters without worrying about what a few culchies on here are saying. He probably thought he was billy big balls getting her to pose in his shirt, and she probably thought she was great pulling a footballer. His mistake was sharing those photos. Even if she was older than 16, itís a scummy move just to show off to his mates.

Did 1 of the Kilkenny hurlers not do the same?
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2019, 05:49:54 PM
Since when was the helicopter a sex act?! Should know better in fairness... especially someone in front of him videoing  ::)

Itís indecent exposure no? Pissing in the street will be enough to get you done
Title: Re: Jay Donnelly
Post by: RedHand88 on January 15, 2019, 06:01:07 PM
Another gem of a lad!

'He's devastated' - Oxford United release statement after Northern Ireland's Gavin Whyte seen performing sex act in leaked video

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/hes-devastated-oxford-united-release-statement-after-northern-irelands-gavin-whyte-seen-performing-sex-act-in-leaked-video-37712969.html

THis one I don't think is such a big deal. Him and a mate walking along with the lads out in front of their friends. Yes it's stupid but it hasn't hurt anyone and whichever of his mates decided to share this video or take it in the first place is a complete asshole!!!

If somehow, I ever end up in this position and someone whips out a camera phone it's going over the hedge.