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Title: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Horse Box on November 22, 2018, 04:05:57 PM
Just under 2 Months to go and really looking forward to it already  :) !

Tipp announced their Panel for the coming season with 13 new faces , some of which are young exciting prospects : http://www.friendsoftipperaryfootball.com/2018/11/20/liam-kearns-has-revealed-his-upcoming-league-panel/

Pa Power odds on D2 :

Donegal 5/4
Kildare 7/2
Cork 13/2
Meath 15/2
Armagh 9/1
Tipperary 10/1
Clare 20/1
Fermanagh 20/1
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on November 22, 2018, 04:46:40 PM
Tipp might get second place.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on November 22, 2018, 05:00:10 PM
Tipp might get second place.
They might and were very close to promotion this year, Armagh with Jamie Clarke back could be a dark horse. Will be a big surprise if Donegal don't win the Div 2 title in 2019.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on November 22, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
Division 2

Round 1

Clare v Donegal
Fermanagh v Cork
Kildare v Armagh
Meath v Tipperary

Round 2

Cork v Kildare
Donegal v Meath
Tipperary v Fermanagh
Armagh v Clare

Round 3

Fermangh v Kildare
Clare v Cork
Meath v Armagh
Tipperaryv Donegal

Round 4

Armagh v Tipperary
Cork v Meath
Donegal v Fermanagh
Kildare v Clare

Round 5

Donegal v Armagh
Tipperary v Cork
Meath v Kildare
Fermanagh v Clare

Round 6

Clare v Meath
Cork v Donegal
Kildare v Tipperary
Armagh v Fermanagh

Round 7

Armagh v Cork
Donegalv Kildare
Meath v Fermanagh
Tipperary v Clare
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on November 22, 2018, 08:34:58 PM
Very competitive division as usual, this year on paper looks a fair bit tougher than last years divison.

Donegal look to be the best team and would expect to go straight back up but i would imagine mcbrearty wont be back for the league? and if gweedore win ulster they will be missing some very important players off that aswell. Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1. Daniel flynn being away is going to be a huge loss for them. Cork, Tipp, Meath, Armagh, Clare and Fermanagh you can expect anything from any of these teams. Clare probably have the toughest fixture schedule, meath after last year are an interesting one to be 4th favourites.

On Tipp, if we really try give a go at promotion i think we could be there or thereabouts. Fixturewise its the best we could hope for, avoided long trips to donegal and fermanagh and have 4 home games. We havent had any major losses to the panel and have added 4/5 players who i think can make a positive impact on the panel and push for starting positions. As important as anything is the players we retained, john meagher everyone thought was a shoe in for the hurlers but he opted to stick with the footballers for 2019 and philly austin giving it another year is a big plus. I cant wait for the league to roll around, we really should have been promoted last year but in the end didnt deserve to be because we failed to see out games from a winning position, im hoping lessons from that have been learned along with some other glaring mistakes we made last year.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2018, 09:16:59 PM
Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1.

Not sure about rightly 2nd favourties as anything is possible with Kildare. When they were relegated from Division 1 2014 they were competitive in most of their games and were odds on to gain promotion back to Division 1 in 2015 only to get themselves relegated to Division 3.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: BennyCake on November 22, 2018, 09:19:45 PM
Armagh have to go away to Clare in round 2.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on November 22, 2018, 09:42:26 PM
Armagh have to go away to Clare in round 2.

neutral venue i thought? and i presume there will be appeals?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on November 22, 2018, 09:59:04 PM
Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1.

Not sure about rightly 2nd favourties as anything is possible with Kildare. When they were relegated from Division 1 2014 they were competitive in most of their games and were odds on to gain promotion back to Division 1 in 2015 only to get themselves relegated to Division 3.

I think they are because non of the rest have done anything last year to warrant 2nd favorites tag
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Orior on November 22, 2018, 09:59:54 PM
Tough league. Armagh will do well to stay up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 22, 2018, 10:02:16 PM
Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1.

Not sure about rightly 2nd favourties as anything is possible with Kildare. When they were relegated from Division 1 2014 they were competitive in most of their games and were odds on to gain promotion back to Division 1 in 2015 only to get themselves relegated to Division 3.

I think they are because non of the rest have done anything last year to warrant 2nd favorites tag

Kildare can be as flaky as the rest. Lost to Carlow this summer also lets not forget.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on November 22, 2018, 10:14:12 PM
Tough league. Armagh will do well to stay up.

same boat as the rest really but equally could well push for promotion its why division 2 is great
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on November 22, 2018, 10:17:06 PM
Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1.

Not sure about rightly 2nd favourties as anything is possible with Kildare. When they were relegated from Division 1 2014 they were competitive in most of their games and were odds on to gain promotion back to Division 1 in 2015 only to get themselves relegated to Division 3.

I think they are because non of the rest have done anything last year to warrant 2nd favorites tag

Kildare can be as flaky as the rest. Lost to Carlow this summer also lets not forget.

that was a bit of a freak result....carlow had 100% shot conversion rate? i still think they make the best case for promotion outside donegal.....im hoping you are right about them being flaky though
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Horse Box on November 23, 2018, 03:57:16 PM
Very competitive division as usual, this year on paper looks a fair bit tougher than last years divison.

Donegal look to be the best team and would expect to go straight back up but i would imagine mcbrearty wont be back for the league? and if gweedore win ulster they will be missing some very important players off that aswell. Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1. Daniel flynn being away is going to be a huge loss for them. Cork, Tipp, Meath, Armagh, Clare and Fermanagh you can expect anything from any of these teams. Clare probably have the toughest fixture schedule, meath after last year are an interesting one to be 4th favourites.

On Tipp, if we really try give a go at promotion i think we could be there or thereabouts. Fixturewise its the best we could hope for, avoided long trips to donegal and fermanagh and have 4 home games. We havent had any major losses to the panel and have added 4/5 players who i think can make a positive impact on the panel and push for starting positions. As important as anything is the players we retained, john meagher everyone thought was a shoe in for the hurlers but he opted to stick with the footballers for 2019 and philly austin giving it another year is a big plus. I cant wait for the league to roll around, we really should have been promoted last year but in the end didnt deserve to be because we failed to see out games from a winning position, im hoping lessons from that have been learned along with some other glaring mistakes we made last year.

Too many games last year we fell away with 10-15 minutes to go , fitness had to an issue ! New Strength and Conditioning Coach this year who will hopefully address this . Nothing between Cork , Meath , Armagh and Tipp in the betting and I think that is fair enough , it`s going to be a fair battle for promotion , good point about Donegal and the Gweedore players they might not get it as comfortable as they would like without them !
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 23, 2018, 06:36:29 PM
Could potentially see Kildare trying to blood at least 1/3 of the 2018 u20s. Jimmy Hyland should feature prominently and can see Aaron O'Neill, Mark Dempsey, Ruadhan ” GiollŠin and Aaron Masterson getting games. Given the likely level of experimentation I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up mid-table.

Mick O'Grady likely to prove the most difficult of our absentees to replace. He developed into a pivotal player for us in the last year or two. It's a double whammy because it probably stops us from freeing up David Hyland to a more attacking role. Have to hope that Peter Kelly stays injury free and Dempsey develops.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 24, 2018, 09:47:10 AM
2019 ?
2018 Relegated
2017 Promoted
2016 Promoted
2015 Relegated
2014 Relegated

Kildare football is never boring.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: lurganblue on November 26, 2018, 04:35:04 PM
Starting to have a bit of positivity about Armagh again and i am definitely looking forward to division 2 football. It's good to see a few of the players return to the panel and with the two O'Neills also developing well it could be an interesting campaign.

In saying all that, it's a very tough league and i think everyone in Armagh would be happy to have remained in it at the end of the fixtures.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on November 26, 2018, 04:42:23 PM
Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1.

Not sure about rightly 2nd favourties as anything is possible with Kildare. When they were relegated from Division 1 2014 they were competitive in most of their games and were odds on to gain promotion back to Division 1 in 2015 only to get themselves relegated to Division 3.

I think they are because non of the rest have done anything last year to warrant 2nd favorites tag

Kildare can be as flaky as the rest. Lost to Carlow this summer also lets not forget.

that was a bit of a freak result....carlow had 100% shot conversion rate? i still think they make the best case for promotion outside donegal.....im hoping you are right about them being flaky though
Kildare improved over the course of the summer and got to the Qfs
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 26, 2018, 05:46:14 PM
Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1.

Not sure about rightly 2nd favourties as anything is possible with Kildare. When they were relegated from Division 1 2014 they were competitive in most of their games and were odds on to gain promotion back to Division 1 in 2015 only to get themselves relegated to Division 3.

I think they are because non of the rest have done anything last year to warrant 2nd favorites tag

Kildare can be as flaky as the rest. Lost to Carlow this summer also lets not forget.

that was a bit of a freak result....carlow had 100% shot conversion rate? i still think they make the best case for promotion outside donegal.....im hoping you are right about them being flaky though
Kildare improved over the course of the summer and got to the Qfs

They built up a siege mentality to beat Mayo and that was their summer and year highlight. Beating Fermanagh in round 4 was expected after the momentum they had from that Mayo win. If they are to get back to Qfs in 2019 I'm sure their aim will be to win at least one game instead of losing all 3 group games again.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on November 26, 2018, 06:08:23 PM
Kildare rightly 2nd favorites for me, even excluding last years mayo game kildare werent far away at all, in division 1 they lost all their games but they were very competitive and werent far away at all which is saying alot given the jump in standard of division 2 to 1.

Not sure about rightly 2nd favourties as anything is possible with Kildare. When they were relegated from Division 1 2014 they were competitive in most of their games and were odds on to gain promotion back to Division 1 in 2015 only to get themselves relegated to Division 3.

I think they are because non of the rest have done anything last year to warrant 2nd favorites tag

Kildare can be as flaky as the rest. Lost to Carlow this summer also lets not forget.

that was a bit of a freak result....carlow had 100% shot conversion rate? i still think they make the best case for promotion outside donegal.....im hoping you are right about them being flaky though


Two games later Kildare were inches away from getting knocked out of the championship by Longford.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: bennydorano on November 26, 2018, 07:48:55 PM
There seems to be some serious young talent about Armagh at the minute and they all seem go have (re)committed to the cause, so that has to be a major plus. Finding the right balance between youth & experience is obviously key, I reckon McGeeney will let them at it tbh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on November 26, 2018, 09:13:57 PM
Few new faces in the squad I see, a few old faces returning and the usual Seamie stories so who knows .
We will be happy to stay up .
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on November 27, 2018, 07:22:10 PM
Starting to have a bit of positivity about Armagh again and i am definitely looking forward to division 2 football. It's good to see a few of the players return to the panel and with the two O'Neills also developing well it could be an interesting campaign.

In saying all that, it's a very tough league and i think everyone in Armagh would be happy to have remained in it at the end of the fixtures.

Agreed. 6th place will do. Anything above that is a bonus
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Unlaoised on November 27, 2018, 11:33:22 PM
Kildare v Armagh final

Kildare by 3
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: naka on November 28, 2018, 08:06:02 AM
Starting to have a bit of positivity about Armagh again and i am definitely looking forward to division 2 football. It's good to see a few of the players return to the panel and with the two O'Neills also developing well it could be an interesting campaign.

In saying all that, it's a very tough league and i think everyone in Armagh would be happy to have remained in it at the end of the fixtures.
Genuinely
We seem to have the makings of a fantastic side if they bond together.
Hopefully Mc Corry and Mc geeney realise the  serious potential we have at present
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on November 28, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
Starting to have a bit of positivity about Armagh again and i am definitely looking forward to division 2 football. It's good to see a few of the players return to the panel and with the two O'Neills also developing well it could be an interesting campaign.

In saying all that, it's a very tough league and i think everyone in Armagh would be happy to have remained in it at the end of the fixtures.
Genuinely
We seem to have the makings of a fantastic side if they bond together.
Hopefully Mc Corry and Mc geeney realise the  serious potential we have at present

Year 5 of his 5 year plan....maybe this is the year it will all come to fruition?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Hound on November 28, 2018, 02:49:35 PM
If Kildare are missing Daniel Flynn for the opener against Armagh, I think I'll take the 9/1 on Armagh.
Certainly if they do beat Kildare, those odds will seem very generous.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on November 28, 2018, 03:07:05 PM
If Kildare are missing Daniel Flynn for the opener against Armagh, I think I'll take the 9/1 on Armagh.
Certainly if they do beat Kildare, those odds will seem very generous.

pretty certain flynn and niall kelly arent playing gaa next year. who know what will happen in the division, alot of teams of the same standard and who know how the new rules will play out and who will adapt to them the best
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: DuffleKing on November 28, 2018, 03:31:39 PM

I would be expecting Kildare's performances to return to pre qualifiers level - with or without Flynn and Kelly - straight away in 2019.
I think they will struggle and wouldn't expect a challenge for promotion.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 28, 2018, 04:38:15 PM
Kildare certainly not a big county yet still everyone has an opinion on them  ;D
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 28, 2018, 05:18:35 PM
Niall Kelly has gone but there's a good chance Dan Flynn will be around for a while yet.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Hound on November 29, 2018, 09:29:07 AM
Niall Kelly has gone but there's a good chance Dan Flynn will be around for a while yet.
Feck, hadn't heard about Kelly. Just giving it up or is he leaving the country?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on November 29, 2018, 10:31:57 AM
Niall Kelly has gone but there's a good chance Dan Flynn will be around for a while yet.
Feck, hadn't heard about Kelly. Just giving it up or is he leaving the country?

Back for the championship, 6 months traveling. A deserved break for Niall.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: spuds on November 29, 2018, 02:01:30 PM
Niall Kelly has gone but there's a good chance Dan Flynn will be around for a while yet.
Heard on Wolly FM that Eoin Flaherty back in with Kildare, 29 so should have plenty still to offer.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on November 29, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Niall Kelly has gone but there's a good chance Dan Flynn will be around for a while yet.
Feck, hadn't heard about Kelly. Just giving it up or is he leaving the country?

Back for the championship, 6 months traveling. A deserved break for Niall.

Agreed. After a poorish 18 months for a player of his ability he was beginning to hit form during the Super 8s and he was very good in the club championship. Break should do him good. His absence will give plenty of opportunities for the likes of McCormack and Hyland to step up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on December 02, 2018, 01:56:37 PM
Apart from Cork and Donegal away I think the rest are all reasonably winnable if we play to our potential or close to it. Thereís a few players whose names are doing the hokey pokey on the panel this time of year as usual but by the looks of it Michael Newman is definitely back and hitting good form so adds a bit more to our attack and free tacking options.

We might once again have another year without anyone from Simonstown on the panel which is a shame but it seems bridges have been burned during Andyís first year and no sign of them being mended.

Anyway, all eyes focused on retaining the OíByrne Cup and seeing what sort of panel emerges from that.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on December 02, 2018, 04:13:16 PM
Apart from Cork and Donegal away I think the rest are all reasonably winnable if we play to our potential or close to it. Thereís a few players whose names are doing the hokey pokey on the panel this time of year as usual but by the looks of it Michael Newman is definitely back and hitting good form so adds a bit more to our attack and free tacking options.

We might once again have another year without anyone from Simonstown on the panel which is a shame but it seems bridges have been burned during Andyís first year and no sign of them being mended.

Anyway, all eyes focused on retaining the OíByrne Cup and seeing what sort of panel emerges from that.

Why do you fear cork away? What exactly have cork done to have you writing this off....on form they are no better or worse than most in the division.

Gweedore winning today will mean Donegal are down some very big players now.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 02, 2018, 05:05:32 PM
Apart from Cork and Donegal away I think the rest are all reasonably winnable if we play to our potential or close to it. Thereís a few players whose names are doing the hokey pokey on the panel this time of year as usual but by the looks of it Michael Newman is definitely back and hitting good form so adds a bit more to our attack and free tacking options.

We might once again have another year without anyone from Simonstown on the panel which is a shame but it seems bridges have been burned during Andyís first year and no sign of them being mended.

Anyway, all eyes focused on retaining the OíByrne Cup and seeing what sort of panel emerges from that.

Why do you fear cork away? What exactly have cork done to have you writing this off....on form they are no better or worse than most in the division.

Gweedore winning today will mean Donegal are down some very big players now.

Yes Cork are not to be feared. They are unable to defend however that's the same for most in this Division. I think Donegal will manage without them as they have better strength in depth than any other team in Division two. Gweedore players will be back by round 4 of the NFL as its hard to see them beat Corofin.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on December 02, 2018, 10:39:32 PM
Apart from Cork and Donegal away I think the rest are all reasonably winnable if we play to our potential or close to it. Thereís a few players whose names are doing the hokey pokey on the panel this time of year as usual but by the looks of it Michael Newman is definitely back and hitting good form so adds a bit more to our attack and free tacking options.

We might once again have another year without anyone from Simonstown on the panel which is a shame but it seems bridges have been burned during Andyís first year and no sign of them being mended.

Anyway, all eyes focused on retaining the OíByrne Cup and seeing what sort of panel emerges from that.

Why do you fear cork away? What exactly have cork done to have you writing this off....on form they are no better or worse than most in the division.

Gweedore winning today will mean Donegal are down some very big players now.

Yes Cork are not to be feared. They are unable to defend however that's the same for most in this Division. I think Donegal will manage without them as they have better strength in depth than any other team in Division two. Gweedore players will be back by round 4 of the NFL as its hard to see them beat Corofin.

We donít have a great record away from home in the league and Cork have made us look poor a couple of times as well. I know they were poor in the championship this year but you canít say weíre great either.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: armaghniac on December 02, 2018, 11:39:40 PM
We donít have a great record away from home in the league and Cork have made us look poor a couple of times as well. I know they were poor in the championship this year but you canít say weíre great either.

If you win the mighty O'Byrne cup, this will intimidate the other teams.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on December 03, 2018, 12:40:39 AM
Hah, if only.  ;D

Did nothing for us last year. No one fears us now. The aura surrounding Meath football has finally shifted in the last 3 or 4 years but it was gone long ago. Only certain people in the media who werenít paying any attention kept painting a particular image of us in the run up to a game. But the lads from 2006-2010 were talented enough to win some silverware but not cut from the same cloth as the teams from the 1980ís or 1990ís. Since then thereís hardly a household name you could mention from the panel with the exception of Graham Reilly perhaps.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on December 03, 2018, 12:17:53 PM
Armagh will have a bit more fire power this year, Jamie Clarke, Stefan Campbell and the two O'Neills from Cross will add another string to the bow. Not sure how Jamie Clarke will fare out, havenít seen him play in a while and the defensive play teams have not certainly wonít suit him but its definitely something elseís to give the opposition something to think about.
I would also hope James Morgan is on board for next season, a tough hard corner back who you wouldnít want marking you (can giveaway a fewer frees but is def better on your team)

McGeeney will expect a big year from Armagh and so will the fans...looking forward to it tbh...
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on December 03, 2018, 12:22:01 PM
Thats a huge blow for Kildare with Daniel Flynn not around next year.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on December 03, 2018, 12:30:34 PM
Thats a huge blow for Kildare with Daniel Flynn not around next year.

Just shows you how realistic the intercounty footballers are about their counties chances in the current climate.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on December 03, 2018, 04:18:20 PM
Thats a huge blow for Kildare with Daniel Flynn not around next year.

Just shows you how realistic the intercounty footballers are about their counties chances in the current climate.

I think it shows studying for a masters comes before amateur game and this summer is probably the only time to go traveling for a few months as he gets himself a full time job.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on December 03, 2018, 05:12:37 PM
Thats a huge blow for Kildare with Daniel Flynn not around next year.

Just shows you how realistic the intercounty footballers are about their counties chances in the current climate.

I think it shows studying for a masters comes before amateur game and this summer is probably the only time to go traveling for a few months as he gets himself a full time job.

It's the same thing really. If there was a chance of a Leinster never mind an AI title, he'd be around. Leinster is especially a barren playing field for the all the counties in Leinster bar Dublin. Most want avoid the now annual embarrassment of getting a tanking from Dublin.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 03, 2018, 05:54:18 PM
Thats a huge blow for Kildare with Daniel Flynn not around next year.

Just shows you how realistic the intercounty footballers are about their counties chances in the current climate.

I think it shows studying for a masters comes before amateur game and this summer is probably the only time to go traveling for a few months as he gets himself a full time job.

It's the same thing really. If there was a chance of a Leinster never mind an AI title, he'd be around. Leinster is especially a barren playing field for the all the counties in Leinster bar Dublin. Most want avoid the now annual embarrassment of getting a tanking from Dublin.

In fairness losing to Carlow by seven points was a bigger embarrassment than any tanking off the best team in the land.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on December 03, 2018, 06:14:28 PM
Thats a huge blow for Kildare with Daniel Flynn not around next year.

Just shows you how realistic the intercounty footballers are about their counties chances in the current climate.

I think it shows studying for a masters comes before amateur game and this summer is probably the only time to go traveling for a few months as he gets himself a full time job.

It's the same thing really. If there was a chance of a Leinster never mind an AI title, he'd be around. Leinster is especially a barren playing field for the all the counties in Leinster bar Dublin. Most want avoid the now annual embarrassment of getting a tanking from Dublin.

In fairness losing to Carlow by seven points was a bigger embarrassment than any tanking off the best team in the land.

True.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on December 05, 2018, 03:07:14 PM
Armagh will have a bit more fire power this year, Jamie Clarke, Stefan Campbell and the two O'Neills from Cross will add another string to the bow. Not sure how Jamie Clarke will fare out, havenít seen him play in a while and the defensive play teams have not certainly wonít suit him but its definitely something elseís to give the opposition something to think about.
I would also hope James Morgan is on board for next season, a tough hard corner back who you wouldnít want marking you (can giveaway a fewer frees but is def better on your team)

McGeeney will expect a big year from Armagh and so will the fans...looking forward to it tbh...

It is the last year of the 5 year plan!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Scarlet on December 06, 2018, 04:11:05 PM
Div 2 is tasty in fairness.
I think in one way Kildare need to not be too reliant on Flynn going forward so I'd like to think we could cope without him. the last two years it has been so obvious that we were always looking to him, even if he was isolated.
I just think it is a good chance for others to step up and to tweak tactics a bit.
Would posters not fancy Donegal over Armagh? When is McBrearty back?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on January 11, 2019, 10:38:25 AM
Its a shame Daniel Flynn won't be around as Kildare have the makings of a very good team.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Rossfan on January 11, 2019, 11:16:48 AM
Hope 4 nice Counties are left for us to play in 2020.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on January 11, 2019, 10:57:43 PM
Hope 4 nice Counties are left for us to play in 2020.
Not sure we can stick around. Will try our best.
Depends on what Armagh do. We have been following each other everywhere these past few years
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on January 11, 2019, 11:20:49 PM
Hope 4 nice Counties are left for us to play in 2020.
Not sure we can stick around. Will try our best.
Depends on what Armagh do. We have been following each other everywhere these past few years

Sure we would be happy for you to follow us to division 1. Not 3 tho
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on January 12, 2019, 09:08:02 AM
Donegal 5/4
Kildare 7/2
Cork 13/2
Meath 15/2
Armagh 9/1
Tipperary 10/1
Clare 20/1
Fermanagh 20/1

Looking at the odds and teams it's def going to be an interesting league 2 this year. I would def agree Donegal are rightly favourites, reading here if Kildare are missing a few key men that could hit them hard. As for the next four teams (Cork, Meath, Armagh & Tipp) I don't believe there will be much between them and anything could happen. To be fair i don't know a whole pile about Clare but they'll not be easy beat either, Fermangah beat Armagh and Monaghan last year in the Championship and you just don't know what you'll get from them. They're very defensive and not easy on the eye but effective.

All in all it's just so hard to predict and any team is capable of anything if they get off to a good start, looking forward to it all the same.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on January 18, 2019, 08:33:55 PM
How close to full strenght were Meath against this Dublin team in o Byrne cup?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2019, 09:00:13 PM
There were 6 new lads starting against Dublin but Graham Reilly was on as a blood sub and got a few scores early on then came on as a full sub in the second half.

Cillian OíSullivan didnít play any of the OíByrne Cup but should play in the league. Pauric Harnan might be back for the Tipp game but not certain, only back to full training recently.

Iíd say weíll have about 4 or 5 of the lads making their league debut this year but maybe not all of them starting against Tipp. Id say Kane and Campion will be starters at least.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on January 18, 2019, 09:03:22 PM
There were 6 new lads starting against Dublin but Graham Reilly was on as a blood sub and got a few scores early on then came on as a full sub in the second half.

Cillian OíSullivan didnít play any of the OíByrne Cup but should play in the league. Pauric Harnan might be back for the Tipp game but not certain, only back to full training recently.

Iíd say weíll have about 4 or 5 of the lads making their league debut this year but maybe not all of them starting against Tipp. Id say Kane and Campion will be starters at least.

Sound....looks a fairly poor Dublin team. We are in a very similar boat, honestly no clue how the game in navan will go. Very pivotal game for both teams
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2019, 09:17:41 PM
Yeah, the diehard Meath fans are still talking about our last encounter and are looking at this one as a bit of a revenge mission but also we are desperate to have a solid league campaign. A win or loss to start of with will set the tone for how we go on.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on January 18, 2019, 09:25:29 PM
Yeah, the diehard Meath fans are still talking about our last encounter and are looking at this one as a bit of a revenge mission but also we are desperate to have a solid league campaign. A win or loss to start of with will set the tone for how we go on.

Yep...I see it being said about. Ye shocked me that night how bad ye were but we were very good aswell. There's an awful lot of talk when it comes to us that "we shouldn't be losing to a hurling county" that's from most teams. Realistically we have done as much in the last 10 years as any county outside div 1. Hoping this year we can take the next step but to be honest and being realistic looking at div 2 we are every bit as likely to get relegated as promoted thats how even the division is and I wouldn't be surprised with either
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 18, 2019, 10:28:36 PM
There also was high expectations with Andy coming in and especially in his second year with some of the minors he won Leinster with in the team but for whatever reason the performances havenít materialized apart from two dogged defeats to Donegal and Tyrone. People really want to see something this year.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 22, 2019, 11:25:50 PM
Predictions:

Meath beat Tipp
Kildare beat Armagh
Cork beat Fermanagh
Donegal beat Clare
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on January 23, 2019, 08:36:20 AM
Predictions:

Meath beat Tipp
Kildare beat Armagh
Cork beat Fermanagh
Donegal beat Clare

I'd go along with that. We beat Meath without breaking a sweat last year and we were probably the best team in the division (I'll get slated for saying that but we didn't deserve to go up all the same) if Meath haven't improved on last year we have a chance but we are down bodies and not in the best of places.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on January 23, 2019, 10:52:13 AM
Predictions:

Meath beat Tipp
Kildare beat Armagh
Cork beat Fermanagh
Donegal beat Clare

I'd go along with that. We beat Meath without breaking a sweat last year and we were probably the best team in the division (I'll get slated for saying that but we didn't deserve to go up all the same) if Meath haven't improved on last year we have a chance but we are down bodies and not in the best of places.

Surprised to hear that ?
Who have you lost ?
I would have thought you would have been in with a good shout of going up
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on January 23, 2019, 06:03:50 PM
There also was high expectations with Andy coming in and especially in his second year with some of the minors he won Leinster with in the team but for whatever reason the performances havenít materialized apart from two dogged defeats to Donegal and Tyrone. People really want to see something this year.
But did his predecessor not say that it would be 2 managers later that things might start clicking ?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Rossfan on January 23, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Meath still fielding teams?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 23, 2019, 07:48:40 PM
There also was high expectations with Andy coming in and especially in his second year with some of the minors he won Leinster with in the team but for whatever reason the performances havenít materialized apart from two dogged defeats to Donegal and Tyrone. People really want to see something this year.
But did his predecessor not say that it would be 2 managers later that things might start clicking ?

Yes he did. But heís not a prophet.

And it doesnít stop people getting their hopes up especially when we got a manager and players whoíve had some level of success.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 24, 2019, 11:31:37 AM
 If Jamie Clarke, Brendan Donaghy, Aidan Forker and Mark Shields are all out Armagh are less likely to cause upset victory this weekend.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on January 24, 2019, 03:05:15 PM
There also was high expectations with Andy coming in and especially in his second year with some of the minors he won Leinster with in the team but for whatever reason the performances havenít materialized apart from two dogged defeats to Donegal and Tyrone. People really want to see something this year.
But did his predecessor not say that it would be 2 managers later that things might start clicking ?

Yes he did. But heís not a prophet.

And it doesnít stop people getting their hopes up especially when we got a manager and players whoíve had some level of success.
Fair enough
But the vortex can be quite sticky
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: naka on January 24, 2019, 05:41:29 PM
Meath draw Tipp
Armagh to beat kildare
Cork  to beat Fermanagh
Donegal  to beat Clare
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 25, 2019, 07:59:56 AM
There also was high expectations with Andy coming in and especially in his second year with some of the minors he won Leinster with in the team but for whatever reason the performances havenít materialized apart from two dogged defeats to Donegal and Tyrone. People really want to see something this year.
But did his predecessor not say that it would be 2 managers later that things might start clicking ?

Yes he did. But heís not a prophet.

And it doesnít stop people getting their hopes up especially when we got a manager and players whoíve had some level of success.
Fair enough
But the vortex can be quite sticky

Well they probably never mop the floor there.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on January 25, 2019, 09:38:44 PM
a few very important players missing for us



Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Gael85 on January 25, 2019, 10:01:27 PM
Donegal 5/4
Kildare 7/2
Cork 13/2
Meath 15/2
Armagh 9/1
Tipperary 10/1
Clare 20/1
Fermanagh 20/1

Looking at the odds and teams it's def going to be an interesting league 2 this year. I would def agree Donegal are rightly favourites, reading here if Kildare are missing a few key men that could hit them hard. As for the next four teams (Cork, Meath, Armagh & Tipp) I don't believe there will be much between them and anything could happen. To be fair i don't know a whole pile about Clare but they'll not be easy beat either, Fermangah beat Armagh and Monaghan last year in the Championship and you just don't know what you'll get from them. They're very defensive and not easy on the eye but effective.

All in all it's just so hard to predict and any team is capable of anything if they get off to a good start, looking forward to it all the same.

Think will be struggle for Clare in league this year. Have stayed up against the odds the 2 last years with tiny resources. Eoin Cleary is missing for first couple games too so will need Keelan Sexton and Jamie Malone to step up in forwards. Dean Ryan is back from travels and will be an addition in the backs.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Orior on January 26, 2019, 12:58:40 AM
If Jamie Clarke, Brendan Donaghy, Aidan Forker and Mark Shields are all out Armagh are less likely to cause upset victory this weekend.

What do you know that the rest of us donít?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on January 26, 2019, 01:23:09 AM
If Jamie Clarke, Brendan Donaghy, Aidan Forker and Mark Shields are all out Armagh are less likely to cause upset victory this weekend.

What do you know that the rest of us donít?

He read the Irish news
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 26, 2019, 01:25:15 AM
If Jamie Clarke, Brendan Donaghy, Aidan Forker and Mark Shields are all out Armagh are less likely to cause upset victory this weekend.

What do you know that the rest of us donít?

He read the Irish news

Yes on Thursday morning the Irish news reported that all 4 could be out but 3 of that 4 has since been named to start.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 26, 2019, 09:18:34 AM
Meath (FL v Tipperary)

Andrew Colgan;

Seamus Lavin, Conor McGill, Ronan Ryan;
James McEntee, Donal Keogan, Niall Kane;

Bryan Menton, Adam Flanagan;

Ethan Devine, Ben Brennan, Michael Burke;
Darragh Campion, Michael Newman, Thomas OíReilly.


Subs: Barry Dardis, Cillian OíSullivan, Gavin McCoy, Shane McEntee, Graham Reilly, Eoin Lynch, Sean Tobin, Niall Hickey, James Conlon, Bryan McMahon, Danny Quinn.

Four league debutants for us.

I expect weíll bring extra pressure to midfield with Burke and Kane. Graham Reilly to be used sparingly as an impact sub unless things arenít going well. Sean Tobin can make an impact too.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on January 26, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
Meath (FL v Tipperary)

Andrew Colgan;

Seamus Lavin, Conor McGill, Ronan Ryan;
James McEntee, Donal Keogan, Niall Kane;

Bryan Menton, Adam Flanagan;

Ethan Devine, Ben Brennan, Michael Burke;
Darragh Campion, Michael Newman, Thomas OíReilly.


Subs: Barry Dardis, Cillian OíSullivan, Gavin McCoy, Shane McEntee, Graham Reilly, Eoin Lynch, Sean Tobin, Niall Hickey, James Conlon, Bryan McMahon, Danny Quinn.

Four league debutants for us.

I expect weíll bring extra pressure to midfield with Burke and Kane. Graham Reilly to be used sparingly as an impact sub unless things arenít going well. Sean Tobin can make an impact too.

havent seen any of conlon but heard he looks a great prospect too....if what ive heard is true another big impact whether off the bench or from the start
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on January 26, 2019, 01:32:41 PM
Meath (FL v Tipperary)

Andrew Colgan;

Seamus Lavin, Conor McGill, Ronan Ryan;
James McEntee, Donal Keogan, Niall Kane;

Bryan Menton, Adam Flanagan;

Ethan Devine, Ben Brennan, Michael Burke;
Darragh Campion, Michael Newman, Thomas OíReilly.


Subs: Barry Dardis, Cillian OíSullivan, Gavin McCoy, Shane McEntee, Graham Reilly, Eoin Lynch, Sean Tobin, Niall Hickey, James Conlon, Bryan McMahon, Danny Quinn.

Four league debutants for us.

I expect weíll bring extra pressure to midfield with Burke and Kane. Graham Reilly to be used sparingly as an impact sub unless things arenít going well. Sean Tobin can make an impact too.

Apparently 6 changes to the team that started v Tyrone last year in the championship. 5 of those players werent even on the Meath panel last year. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on January 26, 2019, 02:18:18 PM
If Jamie Clarke, Brendan Donaghy, Aidan Forker and Mark Shields are all out Armagh are less likely to cause upset victory this weekend.

Not sure it would be much of an uspet. Five of the six Kildare forwards were not on the panel last summer and Slattery did not start a game. Very inexperienced full back line named. Would expect Kildare to get better as the league goes on and we get players back.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 26, 2019, 04:40:55 PM
Meath (FL v Tipperary)

Andrew Colgan;

Seamus Lavin, Conor McGill, Ronan Ryan;
James McEntee, Donal Keogan, Niall Kane;

Bryan Menton, Adam Flanagan;

Ethan Devine, Ben Brennan, Michael Burke;
Darragh Campion, Michael Newman, Thomas OíReilly.


Subs: Barry Dardis, Cillian OíSullivan, Gavin McCoy, Shane McEntee, Graham Reilly, Eoin Lynch, Sean Tobin, Niall Hickey, James Conlon, Bryan McMahon, Danny Quinn.

Four league debutants for us.

I expect weíll bring extra pressure to midfield with Burke and Kane. Graham Reilly to be used sparingly as an impact sub unless things arenít going well. Sean Tobin can make an impact too.

Apparently 6 changes to the team that started v Tyrone last year in the championship. 5 of those players werent even on the Meath panel last year.

Yeah although that includes Newman who played under Mick OíDowd. We have a bit of strength on the bench with OíSullivan there to come on as well. James Conlon does look good though Iíve not seen a huge amount of his games. Weíve seen a few good prospects come and go over the last few years so weíll wait and see.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 26, 2019, 05:25:37 PM
Quinlivan aside itís a very similar Tipp team as last year. Same midfield pairing and Sweeney who was your top scorer still there. Same defensive players mostly just reshuffled.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on January 26, 2019, 05:41:43 PM
Quinlivan aside itís a very similar Tipp team as last year. Same midfield pairing and Sweeney who was your top scorer still there. Same defensive players mostly just reshuffled.

Bill maher and robbie kiely are two of the first names on the teamsheet and our gameplan relies on them as much as anyone else. 5 changes from last years game against ye. Its more the lack of experience on the bench is the big worry. im still hopeful for sunday but its def hope im travelling with and not expectation.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 27, 2019, 03:07:15 PM
Meath 0-10
Tipp 1-05

After 15 mins of second half
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on January 27, 2019, 03:42:20 PM
A draw between Armagh Kildare 1-11 to 0-14. Armagh led 1-10 to 0-8 so a point dropped.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on January 27, 2019, 03:55:43 PM
FT

Meath 0-15
Tipp 1-08

Tipp went down to 14 when OíBrien went off for a second yellow with around 10 minutes to go and pretty much settled what was a close game up until then. Meath were always leading from the start but once Tipp got their goal from a penalty towards the end of the first half it was only 1or 2 points in it.

Great to get the win but Donegal away is going to be a huge test.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on January 27, 2019, 04:07:22 PM
A draw between Armagh Kildare 1-11 to 0-14. Armagh led 1-10 to 0-8 so a point dropped.

A bit of mix. Missed a pile but Kildare had periods of dominance. Draw disappointing but acceptable. Cold day and bumpy pitch
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on January 27, 2019, 05:02:51 PM
Fermanagh and Cork drew 1-5 to 0-08.
Both teams will be involved in the relegation battle
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: on the sideline on January 27, 2019, 06:40:20 PM
Fermanagh and Cork drew 1-5 to 0-08.
Both teams will be involved in the relegation battle

Was it as brutal to watch as it sounded?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on January 27, 2019, 08:11:52 PM
The first half was the worst 37 minutes I have ever sat through.
Both teams were just awful. 13 men behind the ball at all times and a load of side ways passing. Fermanagh in particular didn't break with any pace and didn't commit enough men to the attack.

Second half was alot better. Fermanagh hit 4 points in the first 5 minutes .  It was unreal .  Rumours that there might have been a few cardiac arrests in the stand such was the shock at seeing such attacking football.
Fermanagh then stretched the lead to 2 points but then hit wide after wide. Cork then got a goal against the run of play and decided to park the bus and then play keep ball. By this stage they had been reduced to 14 men. Cork had a few chances to get the insurance point but keep making stupid decisions when they simple point was on. Fermanaghs equaliser came from a Cork Free kick where the Cork man just kicked it straight to the Fermanagh midfielder Ryan Jones. Jones then kicked it into his brother Conal for an attacking mark.  The Cork defender then punched the ball out of his hands and the referee moved the mark closer to goal making a very hard mark a very easy mark.
Honestly Fermangh should have won but were lucky in the end to get the draw.
Massive game next week against Tipperary.
Cork are in big bother.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on January 27, 2019, 08:29:13 PM
The first half was the worst 37 minutes I have ever sat through.
Both teams were just awful. 13 men behind the ball at all times and a load of side ways passing. Fermanagh in particular didn't break with any pace and didn't commit enough men to the attack.

Second half was alot better. Fermanagh hit 4 points in the first 5 minutes .  It was unreal .  Rumours that there might have been a few cardiac arrests in the stand such was the shock at seeing such attacking football.
Fermanagh then stretched the lead to 2 points but then hit wide after wide. Cork then got a goal against the run of play and decided to park the bus and then play keep ball. By this stage they had been reduced to 14 men. Cork had a few chances to get the insurance point but keep making stupid decisions when they simple point was on. Fermanaghs equaliser came from a Cork Free kick where the Cork man just kicked it straight to the Fermanagh midfielder Ryan Jones. Jones then kicked it into his brother Conal for an attacking mark.  The Cork defender then punched the ball out of his hands and the referee moved the mark closer to goal making a very hard mark a very easy mark.
Honestly Fermangh should have won but were lucky in the end to get the draw.
Massive game next week against Tipperary.
Cork are in big bother.

Draws usually turn out to be very bad results for sides battling relegation, especially in a 7 game league.

Since Cork came out with their five year football plan a few weeks back -

- a selector quit (and isn't being replaced)
- lost to Clare (and their only realistic chance of silverware this year)
- the U20 manager quit (as well as the whole management team apparently)
- drew with Fermanagh
- not to mention friend of Frank taking out a High Court injunction to prevent himself being made redundant
- plus it seems like they still haven't figured how many millions the Pairc Ui Frank is over-budget (says a world about how well the whole stadium project was managed - they know they are over
   budget but can't seem to figure out by exactly how much)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Erne Man on January 27, 2019, 09:02:42 PM
Ferm Gael - hard to argue with anything you said there. The only thing i'd add was the 3 chances that dropped short after we got our noses in front (2 of which the keeper caught above the cross bar), which were even more demoralising than the bad wides. A game we should have won, but lucky to get the draw in.
This has all the makings of a poor league for us. We have a couple of defenders to return, but we looked reasonably comfortable today with the 14man blanket we had. We offer nothing up front in terms of movement or direct running - and are very easy to defend against - we had that 15minute purple patch after half-time, but there doesnt appear to be the emphasis from the line to play that way for longer spells in the game. Once Cork got to grips with the limited attacking options we had, we returned to being very pedestrian again. Division 2 is a big step up from 3, and we arent going to score more than 10-12pts in any game which wont win too many.
I can't speak for the the other 3 games in the Division today, but if there are 2 poorer teams than Fermanagh and Cork I would be very surprised. We have a tough away schedule and will really struggle to pick up more points.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on January 28, 2019, 09:31:09 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-two-county-by-county-guide-1.3766585Manager: Kieran McGeeney (5th season)

"Selectors: Jim McCorry, Paddy McKeever, Denis Hollywood
Last good league: Division Three champions 2018
 With Jamie Clarke, James Morgan and Stefan Campbell back on board, Armagh look to be starting to get their legs under them. That said, McGeeneyís panel is still pretty young on the whole and lacking in experience. Rian OíNeill, Jemar Hall and Jason Duffy lead the fresher faces and McGeeney will look to bring them on apace."

Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on January 28, 2019, 09:35:10 AM
This is sad

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-two-county-by-county-guide-1.3766585

Manager: Andy McEntee (3rd season)
Selectors: Finian Murtagh, Donal Curtis, Gerry Cooney
 PŠraic Harnan and Mickey Newman are back in harness after a year away from McEnteeís squad, while the re-imagining of Summerhill forward Barry Dardis as a goalkeeper is an experiment worth noting. Joey and Eamonn Wallace are long-term absentees with injury. Meath have been in Division Two for seven leagues in a row Ė hard to see them being good enough or bad enough to change that in 2019.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Scarlet on January 28, 2019, 02:41:36 PM
Anyone changing predictions after Week 1??
Kildare will be happy coming back to get a draw, but will be delighted that Hyland and Masterson had such an impact from the U20 team.
Donegal got the win in Ennis, so you would imagine those three are the ones pushing hardest to go up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on January 28, 2019, 03:53:57 PM
Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Maybe players in their first or second year in the squad or team do not automatically accrue 5 years experience on day 1? Just a thought.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the league we will not have demonstrated improvement. That will be influenced by a combination of returning players, improving/maturing players and actual improvements by the group Geezer has been working with. So even then after the improvement opinions will continue to be divided.

Also confident of us actually winning an Ulster championship match.

After that who knows??

There is talent there and depth. More depth than anybody since McDonnell have had.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on January 28, 2019, 04:11:43 PM
Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Maybe players in their first or second year in the squad or team do not automatically accrue 5 years experience on day 1? Just a thought.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the league we will not have demonstrated improvement. That will be influenced by a combination of returning players, improving/maturing players and actual improvements by the group Geezer has been working with. So even then after the improvement opinions will continue to be divided.

Also confident of us actually winning an Ulster championship match.

After that who knows??

There is talent there and depth. More depth than anybody since McDonnell have had.

+1

No excuses for McGeeney after this year with a full hand to play.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Armaghtothebone on January 28, 2019, 04:34:44 PM
Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Maybe players in their first or second year in the squad or team do not automatically accrue 5 years experience on day 1? Just a thought.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the league we will not have demonstrated improvement. That will be influenced by a combination of returning players, improving/maturing players and actual improvements by the group Geezer has been working with. So even then after the improvement opinions will continue to be divided.

Also confident of us actually winning an Ulster championship match.

After that who knows??

There is talent there and depth. More depth than anybody since McDonnell have had.

+1

No excuses for McGeeney after this year with a full hand to play.

No Andrew Murnin
No Oisin O'Neill
No Ethan Rafferty

Your definition of full hand and mine appear to differ!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on January 29, 2019, 07:59:19 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/national-football-league-division-two-county-by-county-guide-1.3766585Manager: Kieran McGeeney (5th season)

"Selectors: Jim McCorry, Paddy McKeever, Denis Hollywood
Last good league: Division Three champions 2018
 With Jamie Clarke, James Morgan and Stefan Campbell back on board, Armagh look to be starting to get their legs under them. That said, McGeeneyís panel is still pretty young on the whole and lacking in experience. Rian OíNeill, Jemar Hall and Jason Duffy lead the fresher faces and McGeeney will look to bring them on apace."

Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Just because the manager has been in place for 5 years doesnít mean players canít be lacking in experience
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 10:39:43 AM
Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Maybe players in their first or second year in the squad or team do not automatically accrue 5 years experience on day 1? Just a thought.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the league we will not have demonstrated improvement. That will be influenced by a combination of returning players, improving/maturing players and actual improvements by the group Geezer has been working with. So even then after the improvement opinions will continue to be divided.

Also confident of us actually winning an Ulster championship match.

After that who knows??

There is talent there and depth. More depth than anybody since McDonnell have had.

I thought it implied that there has been little continuity over his period in charge
Compare to what Mickey Graham has in store for Cavan. It is all about the iterations 

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/with-mullinalaghta-and-cavan-mickey-graham-has-every-plate-spinning-1.3769530


ďYeah, it just seems for the last number of years that thereís been a fierce turnover of players for various reasons,Ē Graham says. ďWhether itís the commitment or lads travelling or injuries or lads not believing that theyíre good enough to go on and be successful, thereís been lots of reasons. Itís been disappointing that every year you seem to have a bunch of new players. From my point of view, Iím hoping to bring a bit of continuity

ďI said to them the first day I spoke to them Ė thereís no quick fix here. Things arenít going to happen within six months or 12 months. This is a journey that could take two, three, four years. To create the environment I want, to put the stamp on their set-up that I want, none of it is going to happen overnight.
ďItís a matter of the boys buying into it and seeing the bigger picture. For new lads in to develop as players physically and mentally, it could take a few years so everyone has to realise that. Itís going to be a tough year or two to begin"
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on January 29, 2019, 12:02:37 PM
Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Maybe players in their first or second year in the squad or team do not automatically accrue 5 years experience on day 1? Just a thought.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the league we will not have demonstrated improvement. That will be influenced by a combination of returning players, improving/maturing players and actual improvements by the group Geezer has been working with. So even then after the improvement opinions will continue to be divided.

Also confident of us actually winning an Ulster championship match.

After that who knows??

There is talent there and depth. More depth than anybody since McDonnell have had.

I thought it implied that there has been little continuity over his period in charge

Continuity has been disrupted. One of the cause has been players opting in and out. That may have something to do with management or it may not. Its certainly not confined to Armagh. Continuity has also been impacted by injuries and better young players coming to the fore. Sometimes when you have players breaking through continuity can be overrated
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on January 29, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Maybe players in their first or second year in the squad or team do not automatically accrue 5 years experience on day 1? Just a thought.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the league we will not have demonstrated improvement. That will be influenced by a combination of returning players, improving/maturing players and actual improvements by the group Geezer has been working with. So even then after the improvement opinions will continue to be divided.

Also confident of us actually winning an Ulster championship match.

After that who knows??

There is talent there and depth. More depth than anybody since McDonnell have had.

I thought it implied that there has been little continuity over his period in charge

Continuity has been disrupted. One of the cause has been players opting in and out. That may have something to do with management or it may not. Its certainly not confined to Armagh. Continuity has also been impacted by injuries and better young players coming to the fore. Sometimes when you have players breaking through continuity can be overrated
Let's see what haoppens
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Scarlet on January 29, 2019, 12:31:11 PM
Jaysus lads this reminds me of Kildare fan forums and pub talk re Geezer...Christ you still can't mention him on one forum for fear of opening old wounds.
He does split opinion and in Kildare there was a thing whereby he was immune from criticism from one point of view and the cause of all our problems towards the end of reign from another.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on January 29, 2019, 01:27:32 PM
Jaysus lads this reminds me of Kildare fan forums and pub talk re Geezer...Christ you still can't mention him on one forum for fear of opening old wounds.
He does split opinion and in Kildare there was a thing whereby he was immune from criticism from one point of view and the cause of all our problems towards the end of reign from another.

He does split opinions. Working that out is the easy bit. Working out which opinion is right is the real stumper
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on January 29, 2019, 02:11:47 PM
How many of that Donegal team that started were part of the u21's from 2 years ago?

Donegal must be missing a lot through injury.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on January 29, 2019, 03:26:33 PM
Geezer is in situ for 5 years and the players are "lacking in experience" .

I bet Cavan with Graham will overtake them

Maybe players in their first or second year in the squad or team do not automatically accrue 5 years experience on day 1? Just a thought.

I would be very surprised if at the end of the league we will not have demonstrated improvement. That will be influenced by a combination of returning players, improving/maturing players and actual improvements by the group Geezer has been working with. So even then after the improvement opinions will continue to be divided.

Also confident of us actually winning an Ulster championship match.

After that who knows??

There is talent there and depth. More depth than anybody since McDonnell have had.

+1

No excuses for McGeeney after this year with a full hand to play.

No Andrew Murnin
No Oisin O'Neill
No Ethan Rafferty

Your definition of full hand and mine appear to differ!

There will always be injuries for any manager but he has a full hand in the absence of withdrawals from the squad for a variety of reasons as in previous years.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: lurganblue on January 29, 2019, 03:43:09 PM
Watched the highlights of the Kildare Armagh game on TG4 Player there. I'd have taken a draw before the match but having seen that now i really am disappointed. We managed to serve up a couple of gifts to let Kildare back into it with poor hand passing. Add to that the final lazy tackle just outside the 21 in injury time and it does feel a bit like a point dropped.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on January 29, 2019, 05:44:55 PM
Jaysus lads this reminds me of Kildare fan forums and pub talk re Geezer...Christ you still can't mention him on one forum for fear of opening old wounds.
He does split opinion and in Kildare there was a thing whereby he was immune from criticism from one point of view and the cause of all our problems towards the end of reign from another.

He does split opinions. Working that out is the easy bit. Working out which opinion is right is the real stumper

Maybe it is somewhere in the middle?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
Meath 0-02
Donegal 0-02

After 10 mins
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2019, 07:29:20 PM
Meath 0-07
Donegal 0-05

After 25 mins
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2019, 07:42:36 PM
Meath 0-08
Donegal 0-07
Half time
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2019, 07:55:41 PM
Graham Reilly and Cillian OíSullivan both on the bench despite being named as starting
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2019, 08:01:40 PM
Second half on.

Oí Sullivan  On for Ben Brennan same as last week
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2019, 08:26:56 PM
Lucky goal for Donegal in a game they were being beaten in all around the field.

Level now.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2019, 08:35:19 PM
Donegal lead in injury time
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
Followed by bad miss for Meath
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 02, 2019, 08:43:00 PM
1-13 to 0-14 FT

Meath will be kicking themselves.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 02, 2019, 09:14:15 PM
Really disappointed with that. We were well in control up to the goal. Would have been a great start to the league.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on February 03, 2019, 02:37:35 PM
Jamie Clarke straight red. Very unlike him.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: balladmaker on February 03, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
Clare utilising their 16th man, the ref, to good effect ... ref having a shocker so far
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: naka on February 03, 2019, 04:04:30 PM
Jeez Reilly was awful in the Armagh game
Although Armagh threw it away
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 04:04:38 PM
Jamie Clarke straight red. Very unlike him.

Admittedly Iíve orange tinted glasses but I thought it was harsh
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on February 03, 2019, 04:15:15 PM
Good point on the road in Tipperary today for us.
This division is going to be very very tight.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 04:17:42 PM
Good point on the road in Tipperary today for us.
This division is going to be very very tight.

Donegal will go up. Second place will be tight. Bottom 2 will be tight. Exciting but not good for the old heart
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 04:25:54 PM
Whatever else about the game, the reds, the poor ref, I hope the Clare lad is ok
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Orior on February 03, 2019, 04:26:23 PM
Armagh have dropped points against two of the weaker counties. Troubled time ahead
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on February 03, 2019, 04:50:18 PM
I thought Reilly was poor in a number of respects. He will not police over carrying and he will guess that any skirmish needs 2 yellow cards. That said he didnít cost us the game and we should not pretend that he did.

Clarke swung the elbow and deserved to go. I donít recall McKayís first yellow but the second was stone wall. First Clare goal was a fluke but legitimately given (we deflected it in) and the second was equally flukey but what do you want the ref to do when the umpire is definitive that itís over the line.

We have our own issues to work on. Forget about this ref
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 04:53:19 PM
I thought Reilly was poor in a number of respects. He will not police over carrying and he will guess that any skirmish needs 2 yellow cards. That said he didnít cost us the game and we should not pretend that he did.

Clarke swung the elbow and deserved to go. I donít recall McKayís first yellow but the second was stone wall. First Clare goal was a fluke but legitimately given (we deflected it in) and the second was equally flukey but what do you want the ref to do when the umpire is definitive that itís over the line.

We have our own issues to work on. Forget about this ref

I think the first yellow was harsh. It was one of those high tackles but the lad ducked into it

The umpires were a lot closer than me and I assume they got them right t
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on February 03, 2019, 04:54:56 PM
The injury at the beginning of the game looked and sounded horrific. Hope that somehow thatís an exaggeration.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 05:05:25 PM
The injury at the beginning of the game looked and sounded horrific. Hope that somehow thatís an exaggeration.

That was nasty. I donít think that lad will play again in the league for sure
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on February 03, 2019, 05:06:05 PM
The tit in the crowd who threw the water bottle should grow up AND stay at home.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 05:15:29 PM
The tit in the crowd who threw the water bottle should grow up AND stay at home.

Surely people know who it was. We all get pissed off at refs but throwing a bottle onto the pitch is ridiculous
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: yellowcard on February 03, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
Armagh snatching a draw from the jaws of a win 2 weeks in a row now.

Those points could be crucial in a division where not much separates any of the teams and we could just as easily go down as stay up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on February 03, 2019, 05:20:04 PM
Armagh snatching a draw from the jaws of a win 2 weeks in a row now.

Those points could be crucial in a division where not much separates any of the teams and we could just as easily go down as stay up.

Correct me if I'm wrong but were Armagh a good up against against Clare in the last 5 minutes?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Nanderson on February 03, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
Yellow Card is implying they threw away both wins.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: yellowcard on February 03, 2019, 05:30:52 PM
Armagh snatching a draw from the jaws of a win 2 weeks in a row now.

Those points could be crucial in a division where not much separates any of the teams and we could just as easily go down as stay up.

Correct me if I'm wrong but were Armagh a good up against against Clare in the last 5 minutes?

They were 4 up heading for full time, basically just making the point that they could easily have 4 points but threw both games away in the latter stages which could cost them an opportunity to get promotion.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on February 03, 2019, 05:58:14 PM
McGeeney interviewed on radio suggesting both Clare goals were wrong decisions and Clare player took a dive for sending off. Hope highlights on tv so we can judge. No matter should still have won on a pitch in terrible condition.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on February 03, 2019, 06:06:46 PM
McGeeney interviewed on radio suggesting both Clare goals were wrong decisions and Clare player took a dive for sending off. Hope highlights on tv so we can judge. No matter should still have won on a pitch in terrible condition.

McGeeney moaning about refs - who could have predicted that?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 06:19:30 PM
McGeeney interviewed on radio suggesting both Clare goals were wrong decisions and Clare player took a dive for sending off. Hope highlights on tv so we can judge. No matter should still have won on a pitch in terrible condition.

McGeeney moaning about refs - who could have predicted that?

The ref was absolute rank. The Clare player did take a dive but Clarke was daft. Still think it was a harsh red tho. Re the two goals I can only think there was a deflection in the first and the ball was over the line for the second. The umpires couldnít have got both so wrong could they?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on February 03, 2019, 06:24:25 PM
Thank goodness not only Armagh getting draws:


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: yellowcard on February 03, 2019, 06:25:40 PM
Clarke give the referee a decision to make, blaming the referee for the loss of points doesnít address the problem of how we let big leads slip 2 weeks running it only deflects attention.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: balladmaker on February 03, 2019, 06:26:52 PM
Canít comment about the first Clare goal as I was at opposite end of field, but had a good view of the second, the ball was over the line from my view of it.  Clarke sending off was harsh I thought.  Armagh the better team over all but once again left a point behind them.  Was surprised at Soupy Campbell being taken off when scores were still needed.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 06:28:53 PM
I donít see anyone blaming the ref. He didnít drop a few balls short or make sloppy passes. He was poor tho
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on February 03, 2019, 07:13:47 PM
McGeeney interviewed on radio suggesting both Clare goals were wrong decisions and Clare player took a dive for sending off. Hope highlights on tv so we can judge. No matter should still have won on a pitch in terrible condition.

McGeeney moaning about refs - who could have predicted that?

The ref was absolute rank. The Clare player did take a dive but Clarke was daft. Still think it was a harsh red tho. Re the two goals I can only think there was a deflection in the first and the ball was over the line for the second. The umpires couldnít have got both so wrong could they?

The thing is even if the ref turns in the worst reffing display of all time, there's nothing to be gained by complaining.

The fact that McGeeney hasn't learned this in his long career says a world.


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 07:23:14 PM
McGeeney interviewed on radio suggesting both Clare goals were wrong decisions and Clare player took a dive for sending off. Hope highlights on tv so we can judge. No matter should still have won on a pitch in terrible condition.

McGeeney moaning about refs - who could have predicted that?

The ref was absolute rank. The Clare player did take a dive but Clarke was daft. Still think it was a harsh red tho. Re the two goals I can only think there was a deflection in the first and the ball was over the line for the second. The umpires couldnít have got both so wrong could they?

The thing is even if the ref turns in the worst reffing display of all time, there's nothing to be gained by complaining.

The fact that McGeeney hasn't learned this in his long career says a world.

Managers complain. Players complain.  Fans complain. We all know it doesnít make a difference but it can be good to vent
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 03, 2019, 07:38:05 PM
Clare had all the breaks today another point dropped for Armagh and should have 4 points on the table instead of 2 right now. Need to beat Meath in Navan next to make up for those dropped points however won't be easy as apparently they had unlucky loss against Donegal last night.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: DuffleKing on February 03, 2019, 08:07:47 PM

Both Clare goals were legitimate from my station. First was a handpass attempt for a point that the defender deflected and it ended up in the net.  Unlucky but that's a goal. The second looked well over the line. Jamie was daft. All frustrating given we were the better team but the officials seemed to get all the big calls right- including the other 2 sending offs.

Clare 15 (Tubridy?) can play ball and orchestrated most of their scores - including the 1-01 in injury time.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on February 03, 2019, 08:13:06 PM

Both Clare goals were legitimate from my station. First was a handpass attempt for a point that the defender deflected and it ended up in the net.  Unlucky but that's a goal. The second looked well over the line. Jamie was daft. All frustrating given we were the better team but the officials seemed to get all the big calls right- including the other 2 sending offs.

Clare 15 (Tubridy?) can play ball and orchestrated most of their scores - including the 1-01 in injury time.

McGeeney BBC interview suggests video evidence shows no Armagh player touched the ball for first goal. Second goal seemingly inconclusive.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Gael85 on February 03, 2019, 08:15:59 PM

Both Clare goals were legitimate from my station. First was a handpass attempt for a point that the defender deflected and it ended up in the net.  Unlucky but that's a goal. The second looked well over the line. Jamie was daft. All frustrating given we were the better team but the officials seemed to get all the big calls right- including the other 2 sending offs.

Clare 15 (Tubridy?) can play ball and orchestrated most of their scores - including the 1-01 in injury time.

That David Tubridy. Good to see him return to form. Had a couple bad injuries over the years.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: DuffleKing on February 03, 2019, 08:28:58 PM

Both Clare goals were legitimate from my station. First was a handpass attempt for a point that the defender deflected and it ended up in the net.  Unlucky but that's a goal. The second looked well over the line. Jamie was daft. All frustrating given we were the better team but the officials seemed to get all the big calls right- including the other 2 sending offs.

Clare 15 (Tubridy?) can play ball and orchestrated most of their scores - including the 1-01 in injury time.

McGeeney BBC interview suggests video evidence shows no Armagh player touched the ball for first goal. Second goal seemingly inconclusive.

Bounced back out off the net holder
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 03, 2019, 08:29:35 PM

Both Clare goals were legitimate from my station. First was a handpass attempt for a point that the defender deflected and it ended up in the net.  Unlucky but that's a goal. The second looked well over the line. Jamie was daft. All frustrating given we were the better team but the officials seemed to get all the big calls right- including the other 2 sending offs.

Clare 15 (Tubridy?) can play ball and orchestrated most of their scores - including the 1-01 in injury time.

McKays second yellow was certainly correct. Iím not convinced about his first tho
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 03, 2019, 11:07:37 PM
Just saw the Donegal goal from last night... what was the Meath keeper at?

We were blessed.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 03, 2019, 11:39:29 PM
Just saw the Donegal goal from last night... what was the Meath keeper at?

We were blessed.

Was a shocker alright.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on February 04, 2019, 08:32:14 AM
Good point on the road in Tipperary today for us.
This division is going to be very very tight.

Pretty awful game, both side were very poor. Looking like 2 of tipp, fermanagh, cork and Clare to go down, Clare probably to most impressive of the 4 so far.

Biased opinion of the game, neither team deserved to win or done enough to win. We missed two guilt edged goal chances that would have been hard to come back from. Fermanaghs shooting was nothing short of awful for the majority. Felt the ref got most calls right. Fermanagh player should have been sin binned I felt for a very cynical pull back when we were breaking. Our last free I thought was very soft. Penalty and our sin bin were the right calls in my opinion
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: haranguerer on February 04, 2019, 08:37:55 AM
Just saw the Donegal goal from last night... what was the Meath keeper at?

We were blessed.

Looked like the donegal lad got a touch on it, no? Good play rather than goalie error for me if so
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on February 04, 2019, 09:50:57 AM
Good point on the road in Tipperary today for us.
This division is going to be very very tight.

Pretty awful game, both side were very poor. Looking like 2 of tipp, fermanagh, cork and Clare to go down, Clare probably to most impressive of the 4 so far.

Biased opinion of the game, neither team deserved to win or done enough to win. We missed two guilt edged goal chances that would have been hard to come back from. Fermanaghs shooting was nothing short of awful for the majority. Felt the ref got most calls right. Fermanagh player should have been sin binned I felt for a very cynical pull back when we were breaking. Our last free I thought was very soft. Penalty and our sin bin were the right calls in my opinion

Your last free was incredibly soft.
Fermanagh have real issues up front.
Our shooting was awful and itís not like we hadnít the chances .
We set up defensively but we conceded 2 goals and Tipperary should have had another 2. 
Now one of those goals was from a keeper error.
But Rory needs to get to work offensively. 
We have a chance of staying up.



Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on February 04, 2019, 02:56:23 PM
Firstly i'd like to comment on the D-head that thru the plastic bottle onto the pitch from the main stand should be singled out and banned for life...Village idiot. I had my 10 year old son with me and he was killing himself laughing at the comments that people from the stand shout onto the pitch at the Ref...unreal, I dunno what's between some peoples ears and what they're thinking coming out with the sh1te they come out with.

On the match itself, hope that young lad that got hurt makes a swift recovery. Didn't see it but heard it was a nasty one (got up to match a bit late). Thought Armagh were the slightly better team and considering they played a fair bit of the match with 14 men, the frustrating thing for me is i'm kinda of expecting Armagh to do something silly at the end as they can't see a game out. I'll guess McGeeney has preached to them about defending in numbers and keeping it tight...No goals at all costs...we can't keep saying they're inexperienced, yes there a few young ones but generally most of them are seasoned and have quite a few games under their belt.
Away to Meath (who were very unlucky against Donegal on Sat night) in next game will be a big ask but if you are going to show progression then that's the games you have to win (the difficult ones), what's the odds on Armagh winning on 70 mins but get beat by a point in injury time?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 04, 2019, 04:41:55 PM
Just saw the Donegal goal from last night... what was the Meath keeper at?

We were blessed.

Looked like the donegal lad got a touch on it, no? Good play rather than goalie error for me if so

That ball was there for the keeper. He allowed himself to get distracted by McGonagle when he was clear favourite to grab it.

But, these things happen. Hopefully, for his sake, he'll learn from it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on February 04, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
McGeeney has given a few interviews where he cites video evidence that shows the red got 2 big decisions wrong and potentially a third. Just watched the TG4 highlights. There is nothing there from the elevated camera on the Larry Goodman stand. Clarke clearly swings out and the players bodies obscure who gets the final touch on the first Clare goal and where the ball goes for the second.

Where there other cameras at other angles?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 04, 2019, 10:12:42 PM
McGeeney has given a few interviews where he cites video evidence that shows the red got 2 big decisions wrong and potentially a third. Just watched the TG4 highlights. There is nothing there from the elevated camera on the Larry Goodman stand. Clarke clearly swings out and the players bodies obscure who gets the final touch on the first Clare goal and where the ball goes for the second.

Where there other cameras at other angles?

Armaghís own cameras
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on February 04, 2019, 10:19:23 PM
McGeeney has given a few interviews where he cites video evidence that shows the red got 2 big decisions wrong and potentially a third. Just watched the TG4 highlights. There is nothing there from the elevated camera on the Larry Goodman stand. Clarke clearly swings out and the players bodies obscure who gets the final touch on the first Clare goal and where the ball goes for the second.

Where there other cameras at other angles?

Armagh TV had their own camera. Clarke would get away with his challenge in most games and worse took place during yesterday's game but by the rules it is a red and he will have to accept that.

For the first goal the ball did not seem to deviate which is what McGeeney was getting at. From the stand side I didn't think Morgan touched it. I have watched the second a number of times and cannot figure out how a goal was given. I don't even think a Clare player appealed for it. Nevertheless luck is not with you when you concede two dodgy gials in same game.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 04, 2019, 10:27:22 PM
I initially thought Clarke was sent off wrongly. Not so sure now. As has been said there have been plenty of times the same thing happens and the player gets nothing. The Clare fella should be ashamed of his reaction tho. The two goals I couldnít say for sure. They look like they shouldnít have been given but hard to tell from those camera angles
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on February 04, 2019, 10:37:09 PM
McGeeney has given a few interviews where he cites video evidence that shows the red got 2 big decisions wrong and potentially a third. Just watched the TG4 highlights. There is nothing there from the elevated camera on the Larry Goodman stand. Clarke clearly swings out and the players bodies obscure who gets the final touch on the first Clare goal and where the ball goes for the second.

Where there other cameras at other angles?

Armagh TV had their own camera. Clarke would get away with his challenge in most games and worse took place during yesterday's game but by the rules it is a red and he will have to accept that.

For the first goal the ball did not seem to deviate which is what McGeeney was getting at. From the stand side I didn't think Morgan touched it. I have watched the second a number of times and cannot figure out how a goal was given. I don't even think a Clare player appealed for it. Nevertheless luck is not with you when you concede two dodgy gials in same game.

Canít believe ArmaghTV had the number of cameras it would take to prove these points. The only definitive angle on the  first Clare goal would have to been behind the goal in basically the position of the umpire that gave the decision. I saw no camera there. And a camera there could have no view of the other 2 incidents in question.

If we had a pitch side camera there might be a chance that it has another useful angle on the Clarke incident. There could be no appeal based on theTG4 camera angle.

For the second Clare goal there would need to a camera looking along the line to be definitive. Thatís not going to happen. The TG4 camera tells us nothing. After it comes of the post Hughes and a defender on the line and the ball are obscured by Morgan. Itís impossible to say whether the ball crossed the line. The umpire was ideally placed, looking right across the line and moved straight for the green flag.

Whether legitimate or not both Clare goals were pure flukes and we were certainly unlucky in that respect
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 06, 2019, 04:32:29 PM
Meath up next for us. Whatís the view in Meath about this one
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: regal on February 06, 2019, 11:31:42 PM
Meath up next for us. Whatís the view in Meath about this one

If Meath can stay within 5 points with 15 minutes to go, Armagh will do the rest for them
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Orior on February 07, 2019, 10:19:25 AM
Meath up next for us. Whatís the view in Meath about this one

If Meath can stay within 5 points with 15 minutes to go, Armagh will do the rest for them

Lol. Sad, but true.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Scarlet on February 07, 2019, 11:05:54 AM
Another draw please for Armagh and a win for Kildare would do nicely...
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: lurganblue on February 07, 2019, 03:32:39 PM
How long is Clarke suspended for?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: lurganblue on February 08, 2019, 02:29:59 PM
I'll answer my own question here...


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Post by: Blowitupref on February 08, 2019, 09:26:27 PM

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Post by: thejuice on February 09, 2019, 03:46:05 PM
Meath vs Armagh

Andrew Colgan;
Seamus Lavin, Conor McGill, Ronan Ryan;
James McEntee, Donal Keogan, Niall Kane;

Bryan Menton, Shane McEntee;

Ethan Devine, Ben Brennan, Darragh Campion;
Bryan McMahon, Michael Newman, Thomas O'Reilly.

Subs: Marcus Brennan, Michael Burke, Gavin McCoy, Shane Gallagher, Graham Reilly, Eoin Lynch, Barry Dardis, Cillian O'Sullivan, James Conlon, Sean Curran, Daniel Quinn.

Same line up as before. Andy has kept faith in the tactic of keeping Reilly and OíSullivan in reserve for a strong finish but it didnít get us over the line last week. Donít see Tobin in the line up anymore which is disappointing but he might be injured.

I think home advantage and Jamie Clarke being suspended might give us a slight advantage but I wouldnít be surprised if itís a draw. Weíre still not consistent enough to be confident of a win.
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Post by: armaghniac on February 09, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
Armagh does get the odd draw alright.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on February 09, 2019, 08:57:38 PM
Good win for Fermanagh tonight, well done to them.
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Post by: FermGael on February 09, 2019, 10:26:53 PM
Enjoyed that .
We missed an absolute sight.
We should have had been out of sight.
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Post by: regal on February 09, 2019, 10:39:19 PM
Fair play to fermanagh, thatís an impressive win
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 02:25:37 PM
Meath 1-05
Armagh 0-01

After 20mins

Meath penalty for a disputed foul. Strong wind in meaths favour.
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 02:36:21 PM
Meath 1-08
Armagh 0-02

After 30 mins
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 02:41:31 PM
Meath 1-09
Armagh 0-03

Halt time
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Post by: seafoid on February 10, 2019, 02:44:24 PM
Ard Mhaca go bhfůire Dia orainn
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Post by: David McKeown on February 10, 2019, 02:47:11 PM
Armagh match is hard to watch. Ref has been poor but Armagh have been tactically clueless their full forward line have been camped on their own 45 sometimes leaving no attackers in the Meath half of the field. Very strong wind to be fair but not a 9 point wind.
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Post by: hardstation on February 10, 2019, 02:47:27 PM
Ard Mhaca go bhfůire Dia orainn
Go bhfůire Dia orainn is right. Weíre going full circle with this.
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 02:52:51 PM
If I was an Armagh fan I wouldnít give up the ghost just yet. Weíll do our best to make it hard for ourselves in the second half.
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 03:01:13 PM
Meath 1-09
Armagh 0-05

Armagh with two quick scores
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Post by: GalwayBayBoy on February 10, 2019, 03:02:33 PM
Jaysus, Cork seem in free fall.
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 03:05:06 PM
Meath 1-09
Armagh 0-07

Meath playing a running possession game and itís killing themselves
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 03:07:07 PM
Meath 1-10
Armagh 0-08

10 mins gone.
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 03:27:03 PM
Meath 1-13
Armagh 0-12

Tight one. Armagh stormed back but are struggling to find the posts. Meath back in control. Not over by any means though
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 03:34:42 PM
Meath 2-13
Armagh 0-13

35mins gone
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 03:36:00 PM
All over
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Post by: J70 on February 10, 2019, 03:36:48 PM
Donegal first defeat in a poor performance.

Missed a penalty and then gifted Tipp two quick goals when in control near the end.

3-9 to 0-13 FT
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Post by: BennyCake on February 10, 2019, 03:38:29 PM
I should have known. We never do well in Navan.

By the way, are we EVER going to get to play Meath at home?!
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Post by: seafoid on February 10, 2019, 03:41:28 PM
I should have known. We never do well in Navan.

By the way, are we EVER going to get to play Meath at home?!
McGeeney is worse than Brexit
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Post by: yellowcard on February 10, 2019, 03:53:08 PM
Poor performance, promotion probably gone after that result today itís probably more likely that we are in a relegation battle, defensively we are just not good enough. This is the last year of McGeeneys contract and itís hard to see how he can get another one since we havenít really progressed anything if you base it on the 3 League results to date.
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 04:59:11 PM
I donít know about that. Soft penalty we got today not given and Jamie Clarke in the team you could have won that game today.
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Post by: David McKeown on February 10, 2019, 05:23:37 PM
I donít know about that. Soft penalty we got today not given and Jamie Clarke in the team you could have won that game today.

No I genuinely think Geezer would still have found a way to lose it. Armagh got back into the game and were within a point when they changed tactics to sit back. Itís infuriating.
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Post by: balladmaker on February 10, 2019, 06:05:10 PM
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Poor performance, promotion probably gone after that result today itís probably more likely that we are in a relegation battle, defensively we are just not good enough. This is the last year of McGeeneys contract and itís hard to see how he can get another one since we havenít really progressed anything if you base it on the 3 League results to date.

Have you seen the Div 2 table as of this evening? Promotion / Relegation all realistic for any team in the division still, 3 points separating top and bottom.
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Post by: tonto1888 on February 10, 2019, 06:35:13 PM
Poor performance, promotion probably gone after that result today itís probably more likely that we are in a relegation battle, defensively we are just not good enough. This is the last year of McGeeneys contract and itís hard to see how he can get another one since we havenít really progressed anything if you base it on the 3 League results to date.

4 games left and 3 at home. We could still go up. Hope we donít tho.
Hats off to the meath full backs cute hoorism. Going down with cramp with one point in itreally broke our momentum. Not a criticism. It was smart. I wish we would show some of that at times
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Post by: Throw ball on February 10, 2019, 06:55:53 PM
I donít know about that. Soft penalty we got today not given and Jamie Clarke in the team you could have won that game today.

No I genuinely think Geezer would still have found a way to lose it. Armagh got back into the game and were within a point when they changed tactics to sit back. Itís infuriating.

Honestly don't think there was a change of tactics and it might even be a disservice to Meath to suggest so. Armagh had done well to get back to a point down. The Meath full back went down to break up play and Armagh's momentum- cleverly. Meath then got a well bought free to put 2 in it again. The legs seemed to go at that stage. Maybe the effort to claw back the deficit had taken its toll. Maybe fresh legs should have been introduced earlier.
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Post by: balladmaker on February 10, 2019, 06:58:03 PM
For second week in a row Iím questioning the substitution of Stefan Campbell, when more scores were needed we took him off, same as last week in Clare game.  Thatís 3 games in a row now that Armagh have faded badly in the last quarter ... the first two we faded to give up a lead, today we faded from a 1 point deficit when we were in the ascendancy to a 6 point defeat.  Still, bring on Tipp in 2 weeks time.
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Post by: Throw ball on February 10, 2019, 07:01:44 PM
Poor performance, promotion probably gone after that result today itís probably more likely that we are in a relegation battle, defensively we are just not good enough. This is the last year of McGeeneys contract and itís hard to see how he can get another one since we havenít really progressed anything if you base it on the 3 League results to date.

The easy out is to blame the manager. Meath have been playing division 2 football for a good few years now. Armagh are just up from division 3 - they were in division 3 when McGeeney took over. Maybe Meath at home are just about a better team at the minute.

Interestingly I can only think of Forker, Sheridan, Grugan and Campbell who would have started in the league game against Meath in 2016. That is some change in personnel.
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Post by: tonto1888 on February 10, 2019, 07:18:10 PM
Poor performance, promotion probably gone after that result today itís probably more likely that we are in a relegation battle, defensively we are just not good enough. This is the last year of McGeeneys contract and itís hard to see how he can get another one since we havenít really progressed anything if you base it on the 3 League results to date.

The easy out is to blame the manager. Meath have been playing division 2 football for a good few years now. Armagh are just up from division 3 - they were in division 3 when McGeeney took over. Maybe Meath at home are just about a better team at the minute.

Interestingly I can only think of Forker, Sheridan, Grugan and Campbell who would have started in the league game against Meath in 2016. That is some change in personnel.

Morgan?
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Post by: Captain Obvious on February 10, 2019, 07:30:46 PM
Armagh lost that game in the 1st half today. Just two points from the opening 3 games means Armagh aim is now to stay up instead of looking for promotion. Meath could well be promoted, when did they last play in Division one?
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Post by: tonto1888 on February 10, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Armagh lost that game in the 1st half today. Just two points from the opening 3 games means Armagh aim is now to stay up instead of looking for promotion. Meath could well be promoted, when did they last play in Division one?

Thinknit said 2006 on the radio
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Post by: yellowcard on February 10, 2019, 07:39:17 PM
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Poor performance, promotion probably gone after that result today itís probably more likely that we are in a relegation battle, defensively we are just not good enough. This is the last year of McGeeneys contract and itís hard to see how he can get another one since we havenít really progressed anything if you base it on the 3 League results to date.

Have you seen the Div 2 table as of this evening? Promotion / Relegation all realistic for any team in the division still, 3 points separating top and bottom.

Of course itís still possible but I just donít see it happening. We play Donegal away and I donít see us getting anything there and I donít expect that 8 points would be enough, more likely 9.

W
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Post by: balladmaker on February 10, 2019, 07:46:13 PM
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Of course itís still possible but I just donít see it happening. We play Donegal away and I donít see us getting anything there and I donít expect that 8 points would be enough, more likely 9.

We need to stay up, would be disaster for Armagh to go straight back down to Div 3 again.  Need to consolidate our place in this division and worry about promotion at another time ... I see 6 out of 8 points as being realistic given weíve 3 games at home.
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Post by: yellowcard on February 10, 2019, 07:51:44 PM
Poor performance, promotion probably gone after that result today itís probably more likely that we are in a relegation battle, defensively we are just not good enough. This is the last year of McGeeneys contract and itís hard to see how he can get another one since we havenít really progressed anything if you base it on the 3 League results to date.

The easy out is to blame the manager. Meath have been playing division 2 football for a good few years now. Armagh are just up from division 3 - they were in division 3 when McGeeney took over. Maybe Meath at home are just about a better team at the minute.

Interestingly I can only think of Forker, Sheridan, Grugan and Campbell who would have started in the league game against Meath in 2016. That is some change in personnel.

Itís not a case of blaming anybody but I think there was a bit too much hype before the League began that we could achieve something big this year. I just donít see it happening, we are decent up front but have a lot of problems in other areas of the pitch. For me, we are in a relegation scrap if we lose our next match. Maybe we should wait until the League is finished before making full judgement but thatís just my view as things stand now. If we win 3 or 4 of next few games and get promoted Iíll gladly hold my hands up.

Meath are a consistent mid table division 2 side but I donít think many would have had them down for promotion before the campaign began but theyíve given themselves a chance with some difficult fixtures played already.
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Post by: smelmoth on February 10, 2019, 07:54:08 PM
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Of course itís still possible but I just donít see it happening. We play Donegal away and I donít see us getting anything there and I donít expect that 8 points would be enough, more likely 9.

We need to stay up, would be distaster for Armagh to go straight back down to Div 3 again.  Need to consolidate our place in this division and worry about promotion at another time ... I see 6 out of 8 points as being realistic given weíve 3 games at home.

I donít see us in a relegation battle. There have been infuriating aspects of our play in all 3 games. But a few players back and a wee run of home form and we will be ok and maybe a bit better than that. Donaghy was our biggest miss so hopefully he is available for the rest of the league. Burns could make a big difference to the full back line

2 from 6 sounds like relegation form but not after 3 games in this league this year
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Post by: tonto1888 on February 10, 2019, 07:58:50 PM
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Of course itís still possible but I just donít see it happening. We play Donegal away and I donít see us getting anything there and I donít expect that 8 points would be enough, more likely 9.

We need to stay up, would be distaster for Armagh to go straight back down to Div 3 again.  Need to consolidate our place in this division and worry about promotion at another time ... I see 6 out of 8 points as being realistic given weíve 3 games at home.

I donít see us in a relegation battle. There have been infuriating aspects of our play in all 3 games. But a few players back and a wee run of home form and we will be ok and maybe a bit better than that. Donaghy was our biggest miss so hopefully he is available for the rest of the league. Burns could make a big difference to the full back line

2 from 6 sounds like relegation form but not after 3 games in this league this year

Agree about donaghy. Also, was good to see Paul Hughes get game time today
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 09:28:21 PM
I think Meath bringing on Graham Reilly and Eoghan Lynch helped steady us in the second half as well. From what I could tell Campbell was tiring before he went off. I doubt McGeeney would change tactics after scoring 0-7 to 0-1 in the second half. If he changed anything it might have to beeen to try limit the influence of Reilly coming on.
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Post by: mackers on February 10, 2019, 10:01:32 PM
I felt that Armagh stopped pushing up on Meath in the final 15 minutes. They had done this  to great effect for the first 20 minutes of the second half. This meant Meath could get out of their defence much easier. Whether this was from a result of instruction from the sideline is something we donít know. Geezer definitely has a case to answer on several issues though, primarily taking Soupy off. R
Also, Rian OíNeill, who continues to improve, started drifting out the field also which left us with no presence in our FF line when we were playing with a wind. He should have been told to stand on the edge of the square and stay in there.. He, in the absence of Andy Murnin, is our most effective target man in attack.  Occasionally Rory Grugan, our most gifted playmaker, was the man on the edge of the square?? We didnít use our attackers effectively. Finally, James Morgan has turned into a liability in defence with his persistent fouling.
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Post by: thejuice on February 10, 2019, 11:47:13 PM
I think Armaghís card has been marked since Colm Parkinson has been singing your praises the last few weeks on his podcast. Woolly has the touch of death when it comes to predictions.

One thing Iíll say while I was expecting a big push from us this year, Iím not taking Cork for granted no matter how bad theyíve been so far. Cork has been a tough place for us to go the last few years and we rarely get a result from them. There could be a sting in the tail and our form has been up and down the last few years so I wonít be counting any chickens for the next fortnight.
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Post by: balladmaker on February 11, 2019, 01:22:05 AM
Armagh with the strong wind, and no one in the forward line to kick the ball into for the last 15 min of second half ... unreal! 
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Post by: yellowcard on February 11, 2019, 09:01:29 AM
I felt that Armagh stopped pushing up on Meath in the final 15 minutes. They had done this  to great effect for the first 20 minutes of the second half. This meant Meath could get out of their defence much easier. Whether this was from a result of instruction from the sideline is something we donít know. Geezer definitely has a case to answer on several issues though, primarily taking Soupy off. R
Also, Rian OíNeill, who continues to improve, started drifting out the field also which left us with no presence in our FF line when we were playing with a wind. He should have been told to stand on the edge of the square and stay in there.. He, in the absence of Andy Murnin, is our most effective target man in attack.  Occasionally Rory Grugan, our most gifted playmaker, was the man on the edge of the square?? We didnít use our attackers effectively. Finally, James Morgan has turned into a liability in defence with his persistent fouling.

We definitely miss Murnin inside, he is crucial to this teams success as a target man. Rian OíNeill is doing well but Iíd better player running towards goal not with his back to it. When his decision making at this level improves he will go on to be a very good player. I agree on Morganís fouling we are giving up too many scoreable free kicks.
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Post by: Dinny Breen on February 11, 2019, 02:34:01 PM
Template to beat Kildare is simple...

Pack your defence, slow the game down, intimidate, bully, harass, frustrate...get in front, be accurate and watch Kildare implode....

Another season in Division 2 beckons...maybe back to 3 to continue our relegation, relegation, promotion, promotion, relegation....theme..
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Post by: balladmaker on February 11, 2019, 02:44:10 PM
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We definitely miss Murnin

When is Murnin expected back?
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Post by: illdecide on February 11, 2019, 04:18:56 PM
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We definitely miss Murnin

When is Murnin expected back?

Championship (apparently)
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Post by: illdecide on February 11, 2019, 04:19:49 PM
Template to beat Kildare is simple...

Pack your defence, slow the game down, intimidate, bully, harass, frustrate...get in front, be accurate and watch Kildare implode....

Another season in Division 2 beckons...maybe back to 3 to continue our relegation, relegation, promotion, promotion, relegation....theme..

Sounds familiar that  ;)
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Post by: Rossfan on February 11, 2019, 05:33:03 PM
Template to beat Kildare is simple...

n, intimidate, bully, harass, frustrate...d watch Kildare implode....


Keep ye're beady eyes off Anthony Cunningham!!
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Post by: Throw ball on February 11, 2019, 08:16:36 PM
Template to beat Kildare is simple...

Pack your defence, slow the game down, intimidate, bully, harass, frustrate...get in front, be accurate and watch Kildare implode....

Another season in Division 2 beckons...maybe back to 3 to continue our relegation, relegation, promotion, promotion, relegation....theme..

To be fair that is the template that beat Armagh in Ulster last year.
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Post by: David McKeown on February 11, 2019, 08:26:39 PM
I donít know about that. Soft penalty we got today not given and Jamie Clarke in the team you could have won that game today.

No I genuinely think Geezer would still have found a way to lose it. Armagh got back into the game and were within a point when they changed tactics to sit back. Itís infuriating.

Honestly don't think there was a change of tactics and it might even be a disservice to Meath to suggest so. Armagh had done well to get back to a point down. The Meath full back went down to break up play and Armagh's momentum- cleverly. Meath then got a well bought free to put 2 in it again. The legs seemed to go at that stage. Maybe the effort to claw back the deficit had taken its toll. Maybe fresh legs should have been introduced earlier.

We will have to agree to disagree. Once Armagh got within a point a number of players started shouting at each other and pointing to other areas of the pitch. From their the FF line withdraw out the field leaving Armagh one on six inside the 45 at times. They also dropped off Meaths kick outs and generally seemed much more defensive all but abandoning the high press. Looked very much tactical to me and similar to what happened in the last 15 against Kildare.
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Post by: Throw ball on February 11, 2019, 08:34:43 PM
I donít know about that. Soft penalty we got today not given and Jamie Clarke in the team you could have won that game today.

No I genuinely think Geezer would still have found a way to lose it. Armagh got back into the game and were within a point when they changed tactics to sit back. Itís infuriating.

Honestly don't think there was a change of tactics and it might even be a disservice to Meath to suggest so. Armagh had done well to get back to a point down. The Meath full back went down to break up play and Armagh's momentum- cleverly. Meath then got a well bought free to put 2 in it again. The legs seemed to go at that stage. Maybe the effort to claw back the deficit had taken its toll. Maybe fresh legs should have been introduced earlier.

We will have to agree to disagree. Once Armagh got within a point a number of players started shouting at each other and pointing to other areas of the pitch. From their the FF line withdraw out the field leaving Armagh one on six inside the 45 at times. They also dropped off Meaths kick outs and generally seemed much more defensive all but abandoning the high press. Looked very much tactical to me and similar to what happened in the last 15 against Kildare.

In hindsight you may have a point - up to a point. I don't think it was quite as simple as falling back but bringing McElroy on for Campbell was hardly an attacking move.
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Post by: FermGael on February 11, 2019, 09:14:59 PM
Template to beat Kildare is simple...

Pack your defence, slow the game down, intimidate, bully, harass, frustrate...get in front, be accurate and watch Kildare implode....


We are still working on that bit....
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 12, 2019, 10:50:08 AM
Template to beat Kildare is simple...

Pack your defence, slow the game down, intimidate, bully, harass, frustrate...get in front, be accurate and watch Kildare implode....


We are still working on that bit....

You were accurate enough, but you should have won by more.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 12, 2019, 11:02:35 AM
Going to be tight for everyone in Div 2. Donegal have Fermanagh in Letterkenny next, and given our appalling record there and very average displays so far, it wouldnít be a big surprise if the Erne men were to get a result. Maybe we will improve when the Gaoth Dobhair lads and Murphy, McGrath, McGlynn etc return (no McBrearty until May, I think), but everyone is in the same boat with senior players still to come back.
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Post by: Dinny Breen on February 12, 2019, 11:11:46 AM
Going to be tight for everyone in Div 2. Donegal have Fermanagh in Letterkenny next, and given our appalling record there and very average displays so far, it wouldnít be a big surprise if the Erne men were to get a result. Maybe we will improve when the Gaoth Dobhair lads and Murphy, McGrath, McGlynn etc return (no McBrearty until May, I think), but everyone is in the same boat with senior players still to come back.

Yea Kildare missing about 6 starters I would say.

8/9 points could get you promoted. 5/6 points could get you relegated.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Blowitupref on February 12, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
Going to be tight for everyone in Div 2. Donegal have Fermanagh in Letterkenny next, and given our appalling record there and very average displays so far, it wouldnít be a big surprise if the Erne men were to get a result. Maybe we will improve when the Gaoth Dobhair lads and Murphy, McGrath, McGlynn etc return (no McBrearty until May, I think), but everyone is in the same boat with senior players still to come back.

Yea Kildare missing about 6 starters I would say.

8/9 points could get you promoted. 5/6 points could get you relegated.

Are any of these starters expected to play any part in the league?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on February 12, 2019, 04:49:42 PM
Going to be tight for everyone in Div 2. Donegal have Fermanagh in Letterkenny next, and given our appalling record there and very average displays so far, it wouldnít be a big surprise if the Erne men were to get a result. Maybe we will improve when the Gaoth Dobhair lads and Murphy, McGrath, McGlynn etc return (no McBrearty until May, I think), but everyone is in the same boat with senior players still to come back.

Yea Kildare missing about 6 starters I would say.

8/9 points could get you promoted. 5/6 points could get you relegated.

Are any of these starters expected to play any part in the league?

Paddy Brophy, Peter Kelly and Paul Cribben should be back in 2 weeks I believe. Kevin Flynn will feature towards the latter but Niall Kelly is not back till May. I would have Chris Healy ahead of Tyrell, Hartley and Slattery but not a guaranteed starter, he will be back in 2 weeks as well.

From last years Championship team - Peter Kelly, Johnny Byrne, Kevin Flynn, Paul Cribbin, Daniel Flynn, Niall Kelly haven't featured plus we were with out Neil Flynn and Mick O'Grady at the start.  That's arguably 8 starters, Kildare don't have anything like the depth of a Dublin or Kerry to cover that. Frustrating but outside the top 3/4 every other team seems to be in a constant state of transition.
 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on February 19, 2019, 05:10:36 PM
Whatís the Tipp team looking like for Sunday? Should be a good game, weather looks good and should be tight. J Clarke is due back which helps with a bit more fire power, looking forward to it
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Post by: rodney trotter on February 20, 2019, 05:41:40 PM
Paul Durcan back training with Donegal,  after a 4 year absense working abroad.
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Post by: thejuice on February 21, 2019, 10:56:41 PM
Really anxious ahead of the Cork game even if itís top vs bottom but thereís not much between us. They still have dangerous players and set up defensively they might just frustrate us enough but hopefully Andy has his homework done and the lads have looked after themselves since the Armagh game.

Cork have been such a bogey team for us recently a bit like Donegal, where even when we should win a game somehow we just donít. Donít see us naming a different team than the last few weeks but Iím not sure how weíll handle a packed defense.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: balladmaker on February 22, 2019, 03:10:33 PM
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Whatís the Tipp team looking like for Sunday? Should be a good game, weather looks good and should be tight. J Clarke is due back which helps with a bit more fire power, looking forward to it

This is a must win game for Armagh, if we can't win the home games then we're in trouble, 2 from 8 would not be a good place to be.  Not to forget we owe Tipp one from last game of the league 2 years ago :-)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 22, 2019, 03:25:45 PM
Paul Durcan back training with Donegal,  after a 4 year absense working abroad.

Not sure how I feel about this.

IF he can get back to where he was four years ago, he'd definitely be a vital weapon for us with those kick-outs and overall goalkeeping. We are struggling in the middle of the field though, so will it help that much? Patton wasn't too bad, for the most part, last year. A big improvement on McGinley the previous season anyway.
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Post by: Captain Obvious on February 22, 2019, 05:45:38 PM
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Whatís the Tipp team looking like for Sunday? Should be a good game, weather looks good and should be tight. J Clarke is due back which helps with a bit more fire power, looking forward to it

This is a must win game for Armagh, if we can't win the home games then we're in trouble, 2 from 8 would not be a good place to be.  Not to forget we owe Tipp one from last game of the league 2 years ago :-)
At the 4th time of asking Armagh might get that much needed win in Division 2.  With Fermanagh,Cork at home to play Armagh should still have enough to stay up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on February 22, 2019, 05:59:40 PM
Itís been very low key this week, no mention of anything. I suppose itíll be after this round of games where youíll know whoís going for promotions and whoís for relegation. Itís still so tight, Cork donít look great but still have the games to turn it around and if Iím wrong Iíll be shocked when I say  Fermanagh will pick up more points along the way. So far what Iíve seen Donegal, Meath and Kildare look the most likely to fight it out for promotion, Armagh will need to win the rest of their games to have a chance but canít see them doing that tbh
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on February 23, 2019, 06:39:38 AM
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Whatís the Tipp team looking like for Sunday? Should be a good game, weather looks good and should be tight. J Clarke is due back which helps with a bit more fire power, looking forward to it

This is a must win game for Armagh, if we can't win the home games then we're in trouble, 2 from 8 would not be a good place to be.  Not to forget we owe Tipp one from last game of the league 2 years ago :-)

Ah will ya shtop.....we felt we owed ye one from 4 years ago or so, we robbed ye blind two years ago and ye beat us in the champ in thurles can we not just call it quits!!!

Seriously though....funny league, we were awful against what I thought was a Meath team who were poor aswell that day but they appear better than I gave them credit for. Fermanagh awful game but you'll never have a nice game to watch against them, turns out the penalty in injury time they got for a foot black was the wrong call too so should have gotten the win. Donegal great result and needed but league throw a up funny round 3 results I think down beat roscommon at this stage last year and we see where both finished.

Armagh it's hard to make out where they are, we as you see from our team are struggling very much with injuries and lacking scoring power and the " right way of playing football" as we get branded with. We don't have the players to cope with 6/7 injuries but we have been solid so far. I'm still looking at the league in terms of avoiding relegation and it's been a huge success then have a real cut at the championship with quinlivan Kiely, Maher etc back
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: balladmaker on February 23, 2019, 07:30:03 AM
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Ah will ya shtop.....we felt we owed ye one from 4 years ago or so, we robbed ye blind two years ago and ye beat us in the champ in thurles can we not just call it quits!!!

Quits so!  I think Sunday will be very tight, down to the wire stuff.  Armagh too inconsistent currently, not just from game to game, but within the same game with some nice football one minute to a WTF moment the next.  Should be a good game.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on February 23, 2019, 10:57:37 AM
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Ah will ya shtop.....we felt we owed ye one from 4 years ago or so, we robbed ye blind two years ago and ye beat us in the champ in thurles can we not just call it quits!!!

Quits so!  I think Sunday will be very tight, down to the wire stuff.  Armagh too inconsistent currently, not just from game to game, but within the same game with some nice football one minute to a WTF moment the next.  Should be a good game.

Quits for now but I hope after Sunday ye are talking about being robbed again!!

Interesting game is right, we have been solid but very unspectacular. Hard to know how each team will perform after no game last weekend. Not sure what to expect
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 23, 2019, 08:28:14 PM
Meath 1-12
Cork 1-06

5 mins to go. Meath have missed a load of scores, should be up by more.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 23, 2019, 08:49:02 PM
Final score

Meath 2-12
Cork 1-09

Patchy performances, didnít really put them away but did enough to win. Emptied the bench towards the end and it left us a bit disjointed and they got a few scores.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 24, 2019, 02:54:58 PM
Armagh 5 up at half time. Tipp down to 14
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Erne Man on February 24, 2019, 03:43:44 PM
Great win for Fermanagh in Letterkenny - came from 5 down, to win by 3.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 24, 2019, 03:44:06 PM
Donegal, 4 points up at HT, proceed to lose by 3 to Fermanagh.

Good old Letterkenny!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: spuds on February 24, 2019, 04:08:54 PM
Donegal, 4 points up at HT, proceed to lose by 3 to Fermanagh.

Good old Letterkenny!
Donegal finished with 13.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 24, 2019, 04:27:44 PM
Well done Fermanagh. Hope they push on and get promoted.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on February 24, 2019, 04:45:47 PM
Great win for Fermanagh in Letterkenny - came from 5 down, to win by 3.

Wow, savage result
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on February 24, 2019, 05:10:33 PM
Still a very tight table......


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on February 24, 2019, 08:08:50 PM
Yeah all that can change in the next three games. Weíll have to be at our best for the next few weeks. The only thing might be if we win the next two we might not need a win against Fermanagh to go up.

We have a few injuries from last night that might not clear up by Sunday so we could be without the 2 McEntees, Brennan and OíSullivan. That will really hurt our chances if at least three of them arenít fit next weekend.

That said we owe Kildare some beatings for the last few results so I hope the lads are fit and fired up to deliver.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on February 24, 2019, 09:27:13 PM
Was disappointed in Tipperary today. Most of their scores were frees and Armagh were in control for most of game. The sending of didn't help. To be fair to Jamie Clarke he made nothing of the punch in the ribs - the crowd reacted and it was right in front of linesman.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on February 25, 2019, 08:01:04 AM
Was disappointed in Tipperary today. Most of their scores were frees and Armagh were in control for most of game. The sending of didn't help. To be fair to Jamie Clarke he made nothing of the punch in the ribs - the crowd reacted and it was right in front of linesman.

We were a wee bit nonplussed by the sending off and thought it had something to do with the tackle on Aidan Forker, just prior to the red card being shown. Agree with your point about Tipp - they cannot have scored too many from play, although their free taking was excellent. It's rare I say this, but Armagh never looked remotely like losing that game, once the Tipp lad was sent off and that led to a very lethargic performance for the rest of the match where a lot of Armagh's play was ponderous in the extreme, with slow build up, misplaced passes and awful shot selection. The final whistle was met with relief. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 25, 2019, 08:39:30 AM
Was disappointed in Tipperary today. Most of their scores were frees and Armagh were in control for most of game. The sending of didn't help. To be fair to Jamie Clarke he made nothing of the punch in the ribs - the crowd reacted and it was right in front of linesman.

We were a wee bit nonplussed by the sending off and thought it had something to do with the tackle on Aidan Forker, just prior to the red card being shown. Agree with your point about Tipp - they cannot have scored too many from play, although their free taking was excellent. It's rare I say this, but Armagh never looked remotely like losing that game, once the Tipp lad was sent off and that led to a very lethargic performance for the rest of the match where a lot of Armagh's play was ponderous in the extreme, with slow build up, misplaced passes and awful shot selection. The final whistle was met with relief.

He punched Clarke. As the person above said Clarke made nothing off it. In his OTB interview the guy was asking him about his sending off against Clare. Clarke said he wouldnít ever make a meal of anything on the pitch and to be fair to him he didnít. Some players may well have gone down
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on February 25, 2019, 09:31:46 AM
Was disappointed in Tipperary today. Most of their scores were frees and Armagh were in control for most of game. The sending of didn't help. To be fair to Jamie Clarke he made nothing of the punch in the ribs - the crowd reacted and it was right in front of linesman.

We were a wee bit nonplussed by the sending off and thought it had something to do with the tackle on Aidan Forker, just prior to the red card being shown. Agree with your point about Tipp - they cannot have scored too many from play, although their free taking was excellent. It's rare I say this, but Armagh never looked remotely like losing that game, once the Tipp lad was sent off and that led to a very lethargic performance for the rest of the match where a lot of Armagh's play was ponderous in the extreme, with slow build up, misplaced passes and awful shot selection. The final whistle was met with relief.

I agree Rufus, it's been a long time from i was at an Armagh match where I kinda knew from early on that Armagh would win that match comfortably. The sending off don't think would have made no difference to the result.
Fermanagh have almost certainly threw the cat among the pigeons by beating Donegal, I believe Armagh are there on Sat nite (correct me if i'm wrong) and that's now a real 4 pointer. If Armagh beat Donegal they can win their last two games but our record against Donegal recently is brutal so not holding much hope plus the game will almost certainly be in Ballybofey where Donegal seldom lose. Tight division all the same and will go down to the last game for both relegation and promotion (except Cork who look doomed, sorry Cork men but that's how it looks)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 25, 2019, 09:46:51 AM
Was disappointed in Tipperary today. Most of their scores were frees and Armagh were in control for most of game. The sending of didn't help. To be fair to Jamie Clarke he made nothing of the punch in the ribs - the crowd reacted and it was right in front of linesman.

We were a wee bit nonplussed by the sending off and thought it had something to do with the tackle on Aidan Forker, just prior to the red card being shown. Agree with your point about Tipp - they cannot have scored too many from play, although their free taking was excellent. It's rare I say this, but Armagh never looked remotely like losing that game, once the Tipp lad was sent off and that led to a very lethargic performance for the rest of the match where a lot of Armagh's play was ponderous in the extreme, with slow build up, misplaced passes and awful shot selection. The final whistle was met with relief.

I agree Rufus, it's been a long time from i was at an Armagh match where I kinda knew from early on that Armagh would win that match comfortably. The sending off don't think would have made no difference to the result.
Fermanagh have almost certainly threw the cat among the pigeons by beating Donegal, I believe Armagh are there on Sat nite (correct me if i'm wrong) and that's now a real 4 pointer. If Armagh beat Donegal they can win their last two games but our record against Donegal recently is brutal so not holding much hope plus the game will almost certainly be in Ballybofey where Donegal seldom lose. Tight division all the same and will go down to the last game for both relegation and promotion (except Cork who look doomed, sorry Cork men but that's how it looks)

Yes Saturday night. Hotel booked and all
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on February 25, 2019, 09:54:35 AM
Fantastic result yesterday.
Fermanagh deserved the win and had too much for Donegal in the second half.
Defensively we were excellent and Donegal only scored twice from frees in the second half.
Our attacking play is improving. 
From last years team we are missing Seamie, the Corrigan brothers, Barry Mulrone and Michael Jones plus Eoin Donnelly out injured.  Rory as unearthed a few gems.  Cassidy at corner back, Kelm as wing half back and Ciaran Corrigan at wing half forward.
Donegal being reduced to 14 so early helped our cause. 
The black card for verbal abuse to the Donegal corner back was also crucial .  Did it in front of the linesman so he can have no complaints.
Donegal lacked real leadership in the second half.  Seemed to run out of ideas up front.  Fermanagh got on top of the kick outs by pushing up.  Donegal keeper then resorted to thumping it long which suited Fermanagh as we won the majority of midfield and break ball.
Clare up next. 
If results go our way next weekend then we could be in a very strong position to go up.
We have beaten the two promotion favourites in the league this year.
We have Armagh away and Meath away to play after Clare so 2 points is crucial this weekend.
Hopefully Meath can push on and leave the last game a dead rubber for them.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on February 25, 2019, 10:43:04 AM
Fantastic result yesterday.
Fermanagh deserved the win and had too much for Donegal in the second half.
Defensively we were excellent and Donegal only scored twice from frees in the second half.
Our attacking play is improving. 
From last years team we are missing Seamie, the Corrigan brothers, Barry Mulrone and Michael Jones plus Eoin Donnelly out injured.  Rory as unearthed a few gems.  Cassidy at corner back, Kelm as wing half back and Ciaran Corrigan at wing half forward.
Donegal being reduced to 14 so early helped our cause. 
The black card for verbal abuse to the Donegal corner back was also crucial .  Did it in front of the linesman so he can have no complaints.
Donegal lacked real leadership in the second half.  Seemed to run out of ideas up front.  Fermanagh got on top of the kick outs by pushing up.  Donegal keeper then resorted to thumping it long which suited Fermanagh as we won the majority of midfield and break ball.
Clare up next. 
If results go our way next weekend then we could be in a very strong position to go up.
We have beaten the two promotion favourites in the league this year.
We have Armagh away and Meath away to play after Clare so 2 points is crucial this weekend.
Hopefully Meath can push on and leave the last game a dead rubber for them.

Fair play Fermgael, didn't expect this from Fermanagh but in saying all that I knew they were capable of it after last summer beating Armagh and Monaghan which was no fluke...I'm sure you won't mind me saying this but u lot are poison to play against... ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on February 25, 2019, 11:03:19 AM
Fantastic result yesterday.
Fermanagh deserved the win and had too much for Donegal in the second half.
Defensively we were excellent and Donegal only scored twice from frees in the second half.
Our attacking play is improving. 
From last years team we are missing Seamie, the Corrigan brothers, Barry Mulrone and Michael Jones plus Eoin Donnelly out injured.  Rory as unearthed a few gems.  Cassidy at corner back, Kelm as wing half back and Ciaran Corrigan at wing half forward.
Donegal being reduced to 14 so early helped our cause. 
The black card for verbal abuse to the Donegal corner back was also crucial .  Did it in front of the linesman so he can have no complaints.
Donegal lacked real leadership in the second half.  Seemed to run out of ideas up front.  Fermanagh got on top of the kick outs by pushing up.  Donegal keeper then resorted to thumping it long which suited Fermanagh as we won the majority of midfield and break ball.
Clare up next. 
If results go our way next weekend then we could be in a very strong position to go up.
We have beaten the two promotion favourites in the league this year.
We have Armagh away and Meath away to play after Clare so 2 points is crucial this weekend.
Hopefully Meath can push on and leave the last game a dead rubber for them.

Interesting you mention the leadership issue for Donegal. Anthony Molloy was interviewed and spoke about that last week, saying itís been a very evident problem in our struggles so far this year in the absence of the likes of Murphy, McBrearty, McGlynn and the Gaoth Dobhair lads, and even arguably last year, when he reckoned we won a soft Ulster after your boys shocked Monaghan (we did).

Weíve been dire at midfield too, which is something of a worry for the championship. MacNiallais is taking a break, OíBaoill is fairly raw at this level, which means Murphy will probably have to pulled back again if Jason McGee and Michael Langan canít compete. Maybe the returning Micheal Carroll will help, but he is also inexperienced at senior county level.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on February 25, 2019, 11:23:48 AM
Was disappointed in Tipperary today. Most of their scores were frees and Armagh were in control for most of game. The sending of didn't help. To be fair to Jamie Clarke he made nothing of the punch in the ribs - the crowd reacted and it was right in front of linesman.

Didn't make it up but not surprised with the result. Very very surprised with the sending off, of Every one on the panel Brian fox is the last person who'd do something like this, he has no dirt at all about him but he did it and rightly sent off from what I've heard.

Saying it from the start of the league and missing the players we are missing we would struggle, quinlivan especially. The whole forward line relies on him so much to take attention and free up other players through the attention he receives and being the one who brings others into it. We haven't carried a threat all league in our forward play.

It's firmly between ourselves cork and Clare to go down now. Cork match next weekend is huge, looks like we will need to win these two and should be enough to stay up but we have to wait and see.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on February 25, 2019, 12:43:33 PM
Fantastic result yesterday.
Fermanagh deserved the win and had too much for Donegal in the second half.
Defensively we were excellent and Donegal only scored twice from frees in the second half.
Our attacking play is improving. 
From last years team we are missing Seamie, the Corrigan brothers, Barry Mulrone and Michael Jones plus Eoin Donnelly out injured.  Rory as unearthed a few gems.  Cassidy at corner back, Kelm as wing half back and Ciaran Corrigan at wing half forward.
Donegal being reduced to 14 so early helped our cause. 
The black card for verbal abuse to the Donegal corner back was also crucial .  Did it in front of the linesman so he can have no complaints.
Donegal lacked real leadership in the second half.  Seemed to run out of ideas up front.  Fermanagh got on top of the kick outs by pushing up.  Donegal keeper then resorted to thumping it long which suited Fermanagh as we won the majority of midfield and break ball.
Clare up next. 
If results go our way next weekend then we could be in a very strong position to go up.
We have beaten the two promotion favourites in the league this year.
We have Armagh away and Meath away to play after Clare so 2 points is crucial this weekend.
Hopefully Meath can push on and leave the last game a dead rubber for them.

Interesting you mention the leadership issue for Donegal. Anthony Molloy was interviewed and spoke about that last week, saying itís been a very evident problem in our struggles so far this year in the absence of the likes of Murphy, McBrearty, McGlynn and the Gaoth Dobhair lads, and even arguably last year, when he reckoned we won a soft Ulster after your boys shocked Monaghan (we did).

Weíve been dire at midfield too, which is something of a worry for the championship. MacNiallais is taking a break, OíBaoill is fairly raw at this level, which means Murphy will probably have to pulled back again if Jason McGee and Michael Langan canít compete. Maybe the returning Micheal Carroll will help, but he is also inexperienced at senior county level.

Second half your forwards would not take on the responsibility to have a shot.
Got into good positions and then shuffled the ball sideways or backwards.
In the first half the Donegal players were putting those chances straight over the bar without thinking.
Langan didnít miss a free first half .  Took every free out of his hands.
 
Donegal got a very kickable free about 45 yards out  in the second half and he decided to take it off the ground and missed it.  Shortly after he missed one from the 21 yard line in front of the posts.
Your midfield was very poor in the second half.

I donít know if we are poison to play against illdecide.
Thatís a bit strong. 
Every team now drops a minimum of 12 players behind the ball when defending. 
Brolly and co have an agenda with Gallagher and probably the Fermanagh players as well.
Convenient scapegoats that saves them analysing a game properly.
They give us very little credit.  Serious amount of coaching has went into the set up and at times ( especially the first half ) Fermanagh can play too deep.  Rory and Ricey were roaring at the Fermanagh players to push up on several occasions.
The players are very fit.  The squad has improved and we make the most of what we have.
We also have players to come back from injury which will help.
Every week the attacking play is improving.
We scored nearly double our average this week.
We also missed a lot as well.
At the start of the year we were favourites to get relegated. 
We now have a good outside chance of promotion.




Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on February 25, 2019, 04:20:49 PM
Poison maybe was the wrong word ;). Maybe difficult is a better description, Armagh really struggle against defensive teams and can't break them down. It is frustrating to watch but if it works then use, I do agree most teams filter their players back into defence and try to break out on the counter attack...
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on February 25, 2019, 04:30:32 PM
Important win for Armagh yesterday have the head to head over Tipperary if needed later. Still have to make up for those two dropped points in the drawn games and a win next weekend will do that.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 25, 2019, 05:09:48 PM
I hate playing against fermanagh but fair play you guys have a system and it works. If we had have been a bit more like you in our first two game we may also be in 6 points
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: pbat on February 25, 2019, 08:16:36 PM
In London this weekend, does anyone know how to go about getting EIR TV over here to watch the Armagh vs Donegal game?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: armaghniac on February 25, 2019, 10:21:26 PM
In London this weekend, does anyone know how to go about getting EIR TV over here to watch the Armagh vs Donegal game?

GAAgo?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Hound on February 26, 2019, 02:49:02 PM
I hate playing against fermanagh but fair play you guys have a system and it works. If we had have been a bit more like you in our first two game we may also be in 6 points
If Fermanagh get promotion, then they'll fully deserve to be in Division 1, but I'd much prefer to see Meath, Kildare or Armagh come up.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: macdanger2 on February 26, 2019, 02:54:43 PM
I hate playing against fermanagh but fair play you guys have a system and it works. If we had have been a bit more like you in our first two game we may also be in 6 points
If Fermanagh get promotion, then they'll fully deserve to be in Division 1, but I'd much prefer to see Meath, Kildare or Armagh come up.

I disagree. Fermanagh have a tiny pick so they do whatever they can to win and then hope to be a bit more expansive when possible. They're maximising their resources and good luck to them
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Hound on February 26, 2019, 03:12:33 PM
I hate playing against fermanagh but fair play you guys have a system and it works. If we had have been a bit more like you in our first two game we may also be in 6 points
If Fermanagh get promotion, then they'll fully deserve to be in Division 1, but I'd much prefer to see Meath, Kildare or Armagh come up.

I disagree. Fermanagh have a tiny pick so they do whatever they can to win and then hope to be a bit more expansive when possible. They're maximising their resources and good luck to them
As I said, if they get promoted, they'll fully deserve to be in Division 1.

As for "maximising their resources", well that's a notional argument that can never be proven. Certainly, as one example, I don't believe Gallagher's system was utilising the skills of Tomas Corrigan to full effect.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on February 26, 2019, 03:54:01 PM
Football and how it should be played is a game of opinion.  Fermanagh GAA have backed Gallagherís opinion to get them to where they want to be so if they go to Division 1 fair dues, it is on their merit and their system which they believe works best for them. 

But to be totally honest, I think Division 2 is the best place for them though.  It is competitive and no disrespect to them but I think they would be getting tanked every week in Division 1.  To be totally honest, outside of Donegal with a more complete panel, I would say all Division 2 teams wouldnít fair to well in Division 1.   
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on February 26, 2019, 06:02:08 PM
Football and how it should be played is a game of opinion.  Fermanagh GAA have backed Gallagherís opinion to get them to where they want to be so if they go to Division 1 fair dues, it is on their merit and their system which they believe works best for them. 

But to be totally honest, I think Division 2 is the best place for them though.  It is competitive and no disrespect to them but I think they would be getting tanked every week in Division 1.  To be totally honest, outside of Donegal with a more complete panel, I would say all Division 2 teams wouldnít fair to well in Division 1.   


Completely disagree.
Looking back I remember when Fermanagh played in the old 1a and 1b leagues. That exposure helped to narrow the gap between us and them and would have been a big factor in our runs in 03 and 04
Would love to play the Dubs or Kerry in Brewster Park.
You only have to look at what Monaghan have done.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on February 26, 2019, 06:05:01 PM
I hate playing against fermanagh but fair play you guys have a system and it works. If we had have been a bit more like you in our first two game we may also be in 6 points
If Fermanagh get promotion, then they'll fully deserve to be in Division 1, but I'd much prefer to see Meath, Kildare or Armagh come up.

I agree with you about that. If they go up they fully deserve it. Like I said, they have a style and a system which isnít the prettiest but it bloody works for them
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Ethan Tremblay on February 27, 2019, 09:49:04 AM
Yea thatís fair enough, would love to see them go up as outside of Armagh, there probably the team from Ulster I would want to see do well. 

I suppose a real measure of where Fermanagh are would boil down to how they fair against the top top teams, but I would imagine a trip to division 1 next year would be counter productive and could imagine they would win to many games if any, just my opinion though. 

We will see how they fair out in the remaining three games, two tough games at the end to round the league off, if they canít beat Armagh or Meath, I would stand by my theory they would not survive going up.   
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 01, 2019, 04:51:50 PM
I see Fox has had his red card rescinded from Armagh game. Now I know the red card was of the soft variety but he definitely hit Clarke off the ball with a closed fist in the stomach - Clarke didn't react. I have no wish to see him suspended but can someone tell me how they decide what appeals succeed and which ones don't?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Rossfan on March 01, 2019, 09:06:53 PM
Depends on the size if the County?
Fox from Tipp and Buckley from Kerry succeed.
Harney from Riscommon doesn't.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 02, 2019, 06:18:45 PM
Tomorrow is going to be the true measure any improvements on previous years under Andy. Weíre lining up the same as all earlier games but without James McEntee. It seems Andy has found a formula heís happy with itís really down to the players to deliver. Kildare are getting back to full strength but not quite there yet and probably not as strong as 2017.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 02, 2019, 07:35:11 PM
Donegal 0-2
Armagh 0-2

Morgan and McGee ent off with straight reds
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Estimator on March 02, 2019, 07:38:56 PM
Donegal 0-2
Armagh 0-2

Morgan and McGee ent off with straight reds

From the clip Iíve seen on Twitter, Sheridan lucky not to be sent off for a sc**bag stamp.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on March 02, 2019, 07:58:02 PM
Murphy gets a goal ten minutes into his return to action.

Donegal will have a strong win and rain at their back in the second half.

1-4 to 0-6 at the half.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: twohands!!! on March 02, 2019, 08:11:30 PM
Donegal 0-2
Armagh 0-2

Morgan and McGee ent off with straight reds

From the clip Iíve seen on Twitter, Sheridan lucky not to be sent off for a sc**bag stamp.


Horrible stuff - deliberate attempt to break someone's leg.

Armagh's discipline under McGeeney continues to be woeful.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 02, 2019, 08:36:31 PM
FFS I think Donegal have only scored 1-1 from play so far
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: balladmaker on March 02, 2019, 08:42:22 PM
Armagh woeful.  Ref. woeful also, doesnít seem to realise that this is a contact sport, some very slack frees on offer tonight.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on March 02, 2019, 08:55:48 PM
-1-9 to 0-11. Poor game, partly due to the conditions.

Murphy came on and got 1-2 of Donegal's 1-3 from play.

McBrearty better be hard at work on his fitness! :)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 02, 2019, 08:56:55 PM
Some absolutely awful play acting from Donegal.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 02, 2019, 08:57:48 PM
A game of inches hard luck to Armagh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: APM on March 02, 2019, 09:32:44 PM
Armagh missed Campbell when he went off.  However, to me Armagh left it way too late to push up on Donegal's kickouts. When they did during injury time, they got three points and Donegal were there for taking.  Also, some absolutely stupid decisions when in possession in the last 10 minutes. It'll be touch and go to stay up now.  I could see teams relegated on 5/6 points from this division.   Probably need Fermanagh to beat Clare tomorrow and us to beat Fermanagh next week to be reasonably safe.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 02, 2019, 10:10:17 PM
Cork bearing Tipperary has certainly changed things at the bottom.
Cork, Tipp and Clare now on 3 points.
Armagh on 4. Kildare on 5 with Meath,.Donegal and Fermanagh on 6.
Nobody is safe yet
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 02, 2019, 11:37:36 PM
Just seen Sheridan's stamp on Donegal players ankle... Horrible to watch and a deserved ban incoming.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 02, 2019, 11:43:26 PM
Donegal 0-2
Armagh 0-2

Morgan and McGee ent off with straight reds

From the clip Iíve seen on Twitter, Sheridan lucky not to be sent off for a sc**bag stamp.


Horrible stuff - deliberate attempt to break someone's leg.

Armagh's discipline under McGeeney continues to be woeful.

Never noticed stamp during match but to suggest it is McGeeneys fault is complete crap. Armagh discipline is a problem with mistimed tackling. An incident like that is an individual problem. To be fair to McGeeney you don't see Armagh diving, goading and backroom team members persistently encroaching on pitch as a general rule.

Close game tonight in terrible conditions - as bad as I have seen a game played. For me Donegal won the game in first half with Murphy goal.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 03, 2019, 12:19:09 AM
Some absolutely awful play acting from Donegal.

Very disappointed in them. Couldnít like that McHugh fella as good a player as he is
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: greatpoint on March 03, 2019, 12:51:23 AM
Donegal 0-2
Armagh 0-2

Morgan and McGee ent off with straight reds

From the clip Iíve seen on Twitter, Sheridan lucky not to be sent off for a sc**bag stamp.


Horrible stuff - deliberate attempt to break someone's leg.

Armagh's discipline under McGeeney continues to be woeful.

Never noticed stamp during match but to suggest it is McGeeneys fault is complete crap. Armagh discipline is a problem with mistimed tackling. An incident like that is an individual problem. To be fair to McGeeney you don't see Armagh diving, goading and backroom team members persistently encroaching on pitch as a general rule.

Close game tonight in terrible conditions - as bad as I have seen a game played. For me Donegal won the game in first half with Murphy goal.

https://twitter.com/RichardEvesson/status/1101936367234248705
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 03, 2019, 12:56:47 AM
Donegal 0-2
Armagh 0-2

Morgan and McGee ent off with straight reds

From the clip Iíve seen on Twitter, Sheridan lucky not to be sent off for a sc**bag stamp.


Horrible stuff - deliberate attempt to break someone's leg.

Armagh's discipline under McGeeney continues to be woeful.

Never noticed stamp during match but to suggest it is McGeeneys fault is complete crap. Armagh discipline is a problem with mistimed tackling. An incident like that is an individual problem. To be fair to McGeeney you don't see Armagh diving, goading and backroom team members persistently encroaching on pitch as a general rule.

Close game tonight in terrible conditions - as bad as I have seen a game played. For me Donegal won the game in first half with Murphy goal.

https://twitter.com/RichardEvesson/status/1101936367234248705

Doesn't look good. The player involved deserves a ban.

I still don't believe it can be blamed on the manager. Players have to be responsible for their own actions.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 03, 2019, 04:31:58 AM
The stamp was nasty and Sheridan deserves a ban. Absolutely nothing to do with McGeeney tho. Iíve read a lot of crap on these boards about him but blaming him on that is absolutely ridiculous
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on March 03, 2019, 08:22:08 AM
Last night provides more of the drip drip of evidence that our collective management seem incapable of addressing problems with this group of players. Whilst the Sheridan incident was appalling it cannot be argued that it is typical of Armagh, this Armagh team or McGeeney. We have discipline issues but that is to do with the shear number of fouls we commit. Not to do with cheap hits. Sheridanís incident is an exception and a horrible one. He will be found guilty and punished. That should not be appealed. If his punishment is within the rule book that shouldnít be appealed either. He has to be looking at the upper end of available punishments.

We need to take our medicine.

There should however be some medicine coming in the direction of Donegal. Just too many Donegal players goad, hit punches, start melees etc for it not to be something they plan. And then there is diving and face holding. Iíd love the tv to focus in on this. Itís embarrassing. Play the footage back to Bonner and make him comment.

Anyway we lost, largely due to our own shortcomings and we are the guilty party in the incident that is going to generate the column inches
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 03, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
Last night provides more of the drip drip of evidence that our collective management seem incapable of addressing problems with this group of players. Whilst the Sheridan incident was appalling it cannot be argued that it is typical of Armagh, this Armagh team or McGeeney. We have discipline issues but that is to do with the shear number of fouls we commit. Not to do with cheap hits. Sheridanís incident is an exception and a horrible one. He will be found guilty and punished. That should not be appealed. If his punishment is within the rule book that shouldnít be appealed either. He has to be looking at the upper end of available punishments.

We need to take our medicine.

There should however be some medicine coming in the direction of Donegal. Just too many Donegal players goad, hit punches, start melees etc for it not to be something they plan. And then there is diving and face holding. Iíd love the tv to focus in on this. Itís embarrassing. Play the footage back to Bonner and make him comment.

Anyway we lost, largely due to our own shortcomings and we are the guilty party in the incident that is going to generate the column inches

Canít disagree with any of that
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: David McKeown on March 03, 2019, 11:21:35 AM
Just seen Sheridan's stamp on Donegal players ankle... Horrible to watch and a deserved ban incoming.

Hopefully a lengthy one at that. I missed it during the game but the above link makes it look absolutely horrible and very lucky not to result in a very bad injury. No place for that in the game so any ban will be well deserved.

That said from what Iíve seen Morgan shouldnít have been sent off some hopefully thatís rescinded (or if Iíve missed something and explanation for the sending off can be given.)

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 03, 2019, 11:31:08 AM
One or two game ban looking at rule book. Tipp have fallen back badly this year are they riddled with injuries and replacements not up to this level?


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on March 03, 2019, 11:53:40 AM
I think itís a minimum of 2 games. What the maximum is I donít know but his league is over
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on March 03, 2019, 12:02:54 PM
Just seen Sheridan's stamp on Donegal players ankle... Horrible to watch and a deserved ban incoming.

Hopefully a lengthy one at that. I missed it during the game but the above link makes it look absolutely horrible and very lucky not to result in a very bad injury. No place for that in the game so any ban will be well deserved.

That said from what Iíve seen Morgan shouldnít have been sent off some hopefully thatís rescinded (or if Iíve missed something and explanation for the sending off can be given.)

Didn't get to see the game (just listened on radio). From some reports the ref just singled Morgan and McGee out. Others, however, said that the players were lucky more didn't follow them in that incident.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 02:03:55 PM
Címon Meath!

Meath 0-01
Kildare 0-01

Just started
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 02:08:52 PM
Kildare 1-03
Meath 0-01

Getting run ragged
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 02:14:05 PM
1-03 to 0-03

Settling down now

Snow falling
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 02:23:26 PM

Kildare 1-05
Meath 0-04

Kildare doing that bit better at finding scores quickly where we are a bit ponderous.. Our midfield is poor.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 02:32:48 PM
1-07 to 0-05

31 mins

Weíre getting more chances but not taking them.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 02:42:14 PM
Kildare 1-07
Meath 0-05

Half time. We should be closer. Reilly needs to come on for Brennan or McMahon. Our forwards arenít finding the target. Need another body in midfield too. Perhaps Dardis comes on as well. Weíre not out of it by any means but have to sharpen up up front.

Great play from both teams despite the weather being awful.

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:07:27 PM
1-07 to 0-07

Meath dominating the second half.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:20:30 PM
1-08 to 0-08

All Meath this half but not getting the scores

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:23:18 PM
Kildare pulling everyone back behind their 45
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:24:45 PM
Meath 0-09
Kildare 1-08

Crowd on their feet
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:27:49 PM
Meath 12 wides
Kildare 3 wides

Tells itís own story
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:29:40 PM
Meath penalty!í
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:30:48 PM
GOOOOOOAAAALLLLLLL!!!!í
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:31:22 PM
Meath 1-09
Kildare 1-08

Cribbin sent off
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:34:43 PM
ITS ALL OOOVVER!!!

Meath have won

Meath have won

Yaaaa Boyyaa!!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
Huge result! We totally dominated the second half but our shooting was poor but by god that was some win!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 03, 2019, 04:04:39 PM
Fermanagh 0-12 Clare 0-09

Fermanagh and Meath are now both safe.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on March 03, 2019, 04:25:04 PM
Fermanagh 0-12 Clare 0-09

Fermanagh and Meath are now both safe.

Fermanagh - safety first
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 04:32:38 PM
Fermanagh 0-12 Clare 0-09

Fermanagh and Meath are now both safe.

Well thank god for that!

If Meath and Donegal are on the same points in the end is it scores difference or head to head result?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 03, 2019, 04:38:09 PM
Fermanagh 0-12 Clare 0-09

Fermanagh and Meath are now both safe.

Well thank god for that!

If Meath and Donegal are on the same points in the end is it scores difference or head to head result?

On their own it's head to head.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on March 03, 2019, 05:18:23 PM

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 03, 2019, 06:28:39 PM
Who do Donegal have left to play?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 03, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
Who do Donegal have left to play?

Cork and Kildare.

Fancy Donegal and Meath to go up now
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: ck on March 04, 2019, 12:04:19 AM
Just watched the Armagh stamp on the Donegal player. A dirty dirty act. Armaghs ill discipline cost them yet again and their ill disciplined manager serving yet another ban wasnt even on the line. A filthy shower.

Hope that lad gets a very lengthy ban.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on March 04, 2019, 12:29:16 AM
Who do Donegal have left to play?

Cork and Kildare.

Fancy Donegal and Meath to go up now

I wouldn't bet on it. Donegal have been VERY average in this league campaign. Plus, we have a shocking record down in Cork.

Could be a winner-takes-all in the game with Kildare (don't know if its Ballybofey or Ballyshannon).
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: armaghniac on March 04, 2019, 12:31:54 AM
Just watched the Armagh stamp on the Donegal player. A dirty dirty act. Armaghs ill discipline cost them yet again and their ill disciplined manager serving yet another ban wasnt even on the line. A filthy shower.

Hope that lad gets a very lengthy ban.

Sheridan's dirt reflects on Sheridan.
Armagh's discipline does cost them, but it is not underhand dirt but rather wild lazy tackles that are all too obvious.
They two things are not connected.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: omochain on March 04, 2019, 04:44:44 AM
Sheridanís stamp was awful. He should receive the appropriate penalty. Armagh seem to have a serious issue with tackling. This has been a serious issue for the last 10 years. The apparent inability to deal with it; speaks for itself. You would think that an intelligent management would have identified it and dealt with it. Now donít talk to me about our field generalship.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 04, 2019, 09:56:14 AM
Huge result! We totally dominated the second half but our shooting was poor but by god that was some win!

Didn't make it, haven't made any league games because if I am totally honest I can't commit and when free I do not believe Ä20 offers any kind of proper value. Anyway the consensus was Meath deserved it and Kildare did Kildare things.

Win against Tipp and Donegal v Kildare could be a winner takes all.....lose and well......we tend to get either promoted or relegated....
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 04, 2019, 10:47:42 AM
Very impressive display against Clare.
We really should have won by more.
Missed 2 very good goal chances in the first half.
From what I can see one win in our last 2 games will promote us as we have beaten both Donegal and Kildare. 
Armagh are bringing us to Cross which will make a nice change.  I can understand why as we have a good record against then the last few years in the league. Canít mind Armagh beating us in the league.  League finals are a different story lol.
It wonít be pretty but Armagh struggle against defensive systems like Fermanaghís.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: westbound on March 04, 2019, 11:22:42 AM
Very impressive display against Clare.
We really should have won by more.
Missed 2 very good goal chances in the first half.
From what I can see one win in our last 2 games will promote us as we have beaten both Donegal and Kildare. 
Armagh are bringing us to Cross which will make a nice change.  I can understand why as we have a good record against then the last few years in the league. Canít mind Armagh beating us in the league.  League finals are a different story lol.
It wonít be pretty but Armagh struggle against defensive systems like Fermanaghís.

if Fermanagh beat Armagh they are promoted (unless Meath lose to Clare), but if fermanagh lose to Armagh and beat Meath, it's possible that 3 times could finish on 10 points and then it would come down to scoring difference.

It would be some achievement for Fermanagh to get up to Division 1.


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 04, 2019, 11:39:13 AM
Very impressive display against Clare.
We really should have won by more.
Missed 2 very good goal chances in the first half.
From what I can see one win in our last 2 games will promote us as we have beaten both Donegal and Kildare. 
Armagh are bringing us to Cross which will make a nice change.  I can understand why as we have a good record against then the last few years in the league. Canít mind Armagh beating us in the league.  League finals are a different story lol.
It wonít be pretty but Armagh struggle against defensive systems like Fermanaghís.

 we beat you the last time at the athletic grounds. Sat night game. Soupy got the winner. Seamie/seanie turned the lights off in the tunnel Game moved because if parade in Armagh that day
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on March 04, 2019, 11:43:13 AM
Very impressive display against Clare.
We really should have won by more.
Missed 2 very good goal chances in the first half.
From what I can see one win in our last 2 games will promote us as we have beaten both Donegal and Kildare. 
Armagh are bringing us to Cross which will make a nice change.  I can understand why as we have a good record against then the last few years in the league. Canít mind Armagh beating us in the league.  League finals are a different story lol.
It wonít be pretty but Armagh struggle against defensive systems like Fermanaghís.

 we beat you the last time at the athletic grounds. Sat night game. Soupy got the winner. Seamie/seanie turned the lights off in the tunnel Game moved because if parade in Armagh that day

Which parade, for Catholic or Protestant St Patrick?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 04, 2019, 01:23:38 PM
Very impressive display against Clare.
We really should have won by more.
Missed 2 very good goal chances in the first half.
From what I can see one win in our last 2 games will promote us as we have beaten both Donegal and Kildare. 
Armagh are bringing us to Cross which will make a nice change.  I can understand why as we have a good record against then the last few years in the league. Canít mind Armagh beating us in the league.  League finals are a different story lol.
It wonít be pretty but Armagh struggle against defensive systems like Fermanaghís.

 we beat you the last time at the athletic grounds. Sat night game. Soupy got the winner. Seamie/seanie turned the lights off in the tunnel Game moved because if parade in Armagh that day

Which parade, for Catholic or Protestant St Patrick?
Should have said parades
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 04, 2019, 09:40:56 PM
Who do Donegal have left to play?

Cork and Kildare.

Fancy Donegal and Meath to go up now

I wouldn't bet on it. Donegal have been VERY average in this league campaign. Plus, we have a shocking record down in Cork.

Could be a winner-takes-all in the game with Kildare (don't know if its Ballybofey or Ballyshannon).

Youíll beat Cork away if we can. With Murphy back Donegal are a different prospect. If ye have  Kildare at home I think youíll have the advantage. Kildares fitness levels arenít where they need to be based on yesterdayís game. Itíll be an interesting run in for the top teams as it could go end up going every direction and Kildare arenít out just yet.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Ohtoohtobe on March 05, 2019, 12:45:19 AM
Even if we win our last two games weíre unlikely to go up, given the head to head situation with Meath and Fermanagh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Maroon Manc on March 05, 2019, 09:59:50 AM
So if Fermanagh & Meath win this weekend then Fermanagh are promoted. That would be some achievement for Fermanagh, they get far too much stick from the likes of Parkinson; There's not a chance they'd be in this position playing more expansive football.

Apart from Daniel Flynn how many are Kildare missing? Even with lads missing Kildare should be nearer the top, O'Neil will be under pressure come the championship. There's not too many counties with as much attacking talent individually as Kildare have when everyone is available.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Rossfan on March 05, 2019, 10:49:49 AM
What do the Kildare lads think of O'Neill now?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 05, 2019, 01:15:36 PM
What do the Kildare lads think of O'Neill now?

Ha! Check out the Kildare forum. He's not popular to say the least.

Personally, Kildare have cultural issues around how we play the game. We don't appreciate defensive football and the art of tackling, Kildare teams tend to go well in high tempo, high scoring games, our players are athletes. That means against teams around our level if they go toe to toe we tend to come out on top and conversely if we go toe to toe with Kerry/Dublin we get blown away. Teams with lesser footballers than Kildare just need to go defensive and wait..

O'Neill should have left last year after the Super8, he did well around #newbriidgeornowhere and had a massive win over Mayo and then Kildare were very competitive in the Super8. His star was shining. There's already noise for Davy Buke to take over, if he wins the championship with Sarsfields that noise will be relentless.....

I would still like to see Glenn Ryan get a shot....
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Scarlet on March 05, 2019, 04:05:07 PM
Division 2 is always a bit mad, but with Murphy back Donegal would fancy it.
I would have fancied Kildare top head up, but we are a basket case at times and I don't think any club who have operated in the top two divisions make as many stupid mistakes as us. It's like they are experienced but don't see to have taken anything in.

As Dinny says O'Neill is getting slated on Kildare forum, but Mayo really papered over cracks so maybe he is due some of it. I still think that we play some braindead football and the players are happy with O'Neill as a mudguard, same as Jason Ryan was.

Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Rossfan on March 05, 2019, 04:14:30 PM
The Newbridge craic and subsequent good run gave O'Neill an undeserved reprieve from the sack.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on March 05, 2019, 04:24:12 PM
Have fermanagh ever been in division 1 before?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 05, 2019, 04:26:25 PM
The Newbridge craic and subsequent good run gave O'Neill an undeserved reprieve from the sack.

Getting to the super 8s was decent to be fair
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Erne Man on March 05, 2019, 04:36:30 PM
Have fermanagh ever been in division 1 before?

Spent 2004 in Div 1A, got relegated, and promoted back up at the end of 2005 league. Did ok in 2006 when back in Div1 (beat Dublin & Tyrone in Enniskillen from memory).
I think we would have done enough to survive on the current basis (maybe 3rd from bottom), but did they re-grade the leagues for 2007 campaign, and we were designated as a Division 2 team. That started our yo-yo between divisions 2,3 & 4!
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on March 05, 2019, 04:50:24 PM
Yeah I guess in those days you were pretty good. It would be good to see you go up. It would be tough work for you in division 1 but would be good for you I suspect.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on March 05, 2019, 07:07:10 PM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 05, 2019, 07:44:23 PM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on March 06, 2019, 09:19:00 AM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

Yip, fair play FG. If you are lucky enough to get to div 1 embrace it and see what happens, if you beat Armagh next week you'll deserve to go up
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: J70 on March 06, 2019, 11:06:46 AM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

Fair f**ks. Should be an interesting match in Brewster on May 26th. Personally, I've no clue what to expect. Hopefully we'll have McBrearty raring to go.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Orior on March 06, 2019, 11:30:44 PM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

Yip, fair play FG. If you are lucky enough to get to div 1 embrace it and see what happens, if you beat Armagh next week you'll deserve to go up

That'll be the day.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 08, 2019, 03:27:30 PM
Two game ban for Stephen Sheridan i see.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 08, 2019, 05:50:07 PM
Two game ban for Stephen Sheridan i see.

Deserved and Iíve no complaints as an Armagh man. However, it a stamp really worse than an eye gouge? I donít get the disciplinary procedures at all
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: From the Bunker on March 08, 2019, 06:15:11 PM
Two game ban for Stephen Sheridan i see.

Deserved and Iíve no complaints as an Armagh man. However, it a stamp really worse than an eye gouge? I donít get the disciplinary procedures at all

Eye gouges are usually ''accidental''!  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 08, 2019, 06:55:13 PM
Two game ban for Stephen Sheridan i see.

Deserved and Iíve no complaints as an Armagh man. However, it a stamp really worse than an eye gouge? I donít get the disciplinary procedures at all

Agree completely
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 08, 2019, 07:33:10 PM
Two game ban for Stephen Sheridan i see.

Deserved and Iíve no complaints as an Armagh man. However, it a stamp really worse than an eye gouge? I donít get the disciplinary procedures at all

Most alleged eye gouges all seem to fall under category 3 offences which carry a one match.  Category Four offence  ďinflicting injury recklesslyĒ is a two match ban and is what Sheridan has got by the looks of it.   
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 08, 2019, 09:03:48 PM
Two game ban for Stephen Sheridan i see.

Deserved and Iíve no complaints as an Armagh man. However, it a stamp really worse than an eye gouge? I donít get the disciplinary procedures at all

Most alleged eye gouges all seem to fall under category 3 offences which carry a one match.  Category Four offence  ďinflicting injury recklesslyĒ is a two match ban and is what Sheridan has got by the looks of it.

That doesnít make sense to me. Thanks for clearing it up tho
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on March 13, 2019, 09:18:26 AM
Armagh struggling for a team on Sat...A lot of injuries and suspensions, if Armagh lose and other results go against them they could be bottom of the league by Sunday evening. Fermanagh will fancy their chances, in saying all that Armagh have a really good record in Crossmaglen
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: armaghniac on March 15, 2019, 09:49:07 PM
Brave bit  of rain, with some sleet thrown in, before Fermanagh's visit to God's own country. It should stop a couple of hours before the game though.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Orior on March 16, 2019, 08:37:36 AM
Armagh struggling for a team on Sat...A lot of injuries and suspensions, if Armagh lose and other results go against them they could be bottom of the league by Sunday evening. Fermanagh will fancy their chances, in saying all that Armagh have a really good record in Crossmaglen

I would expect nothing less than a comfortable win for Armagh
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 16, 2019, 08:44:29 AM
Is the match going ahead lads ?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 16, 2019, 08:54:52 AM
Is the match going ahead lads ?

Havenít seen anything on social media to suggest otherwise
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on March 16, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
How's things looking in Newbridge weatherwise ?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 16, 2019, 11:07:35 AM
Clare v Meath postponed
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on March 16, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
Is the match going ahead lads ?

Just after a pitch inspection...Game goes ahead
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Oraisteach on March 16, 2019, 03:06:46 PM
What radio is carrying the Armagh match?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Goldengreen on March 16, 2019, 03:43:12 PM
Full Time:
CLG Corcaigh 1.12 CLG Dhķn na nGall 1.19

At half time it was:
HT CLG Corcaigh 1.8 CLG Dhķn na nGall 0.6
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Main Street on March 16, 2019, 04:34:27 PM
According to RTE top of the page
FT: Kildare 1-11 Tipperary 2-17

elsewhere though
FT: Kildare 1-11 Tipperary 2-07


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Farrandeelin on March 16, 2019, 04:48:22 PM
Bad result for Fermanagh there.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: David McKeown on March 16, 2019, 04:56:43 PM
Bad result for Fermanagh there.

Dominant Armagh performance and a well deserved win.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 16, 2019, 05:17:00 PM
Bad result for Fermanagh there.

Dominant Armagh performance and a well deserved win.

Agreed. Worthy winners. And other results leave us safe too. Good day
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: mackers on March 16, 2019, 05:35:09 PM
Good win for Armagh against an ultra-defensive Fermanagh. It's probably as well as this Armagh team has played against a negative team.  It was far from perfect with the final ball letting us down when the scoring opportunities arose but still a good improvement on what has gone before.  Ethan Rafferty made a telling contribution when he came on. Soupy played well also.  From a selfish club perspective very disappointed for Pearse Casey who played full forward and had one over-hit pass kicked into him in the 20 odd minutes he was on the field and was called ashore.
Fermanagh were shockingly poor.  I don't believe they even had a shot on goal for the first 20/25 minutes of the second half with 15 men in their own 45 for the majority of that time.  They only came out to play when Armagh scored the goal and looked dangerous when they did with some excellent defending from Armagh keeping them at bay.  The Fermanagh fans around me were very frustrated, understandingly so.  Those saying fair f**ks to them mustn't have played against them much.  The football Gallagher has them playing is a scourge on the game and I'm glad we won to allow this rant without it sounding like sour grapes.
The game was refereed well by Sean Hurson BTW with black cards given to both teams when there were cynical tackles.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on March 16, 2019, 07:29:20 PM



Two from three go down from Cork, Clare and Tipp.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Javier PeŮa on March 16, 2019, 07:38:19 PM
Meath and Clare could prove to be a very important game at both ends of the table, if Clare win it'll ease some pressure on their game against Tipp next weekend. Cork are in serious bother
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on March 16, 2019, 08:14:38 PM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

I did. Pure poison. Div 1 wonít be interesting but it will be informative. No wins. No glory. Just defeats and utter boredom. Football will die in Fermanagh and what for? A few boring Div 2 wins?

As custodians of the game Fermanagh have a f**k you, f**k tradition, f**k entertainment, the game is worth nothing and is there to be abused or at least exploited sort of attitude. A plague on their house
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: mackers on March 16, 2019, 08:18:42 PM
In fairness I wouldnít tar the whole county like that. In fact Iíd feel sorry for their supporters watching that dross week in week out.  The blame lies squarely with Gallagher.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 16, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Have to say today was very frustrating.
We did a great job in the first half of containing Armagh against a very strong breeze .
Hurson has a decent game in the middle apart from the blantant pull back from Jamie Clarke in the first half which should have been a black. 
Fermanagh contained the Armagh forwards but we couldnít get a hold of the ball in midfield.
Though the Armagh midfield bossed the entire game. They were the platform for the Armagh success.   Charlie Vernon had a great game.  I actually cannot remember Fermanagh winning a clean ball at midfield the whole game. 
The second half was just awful stuff from a Fermanagh point of view.  We had a very strong breeze and we just didnít play anybody up front until the last 5 minutes .
We have played like this before but this year we have been attacking at pace and en masse.  We didnít do that today.  Everything was far too slow and sideways.  Armagh then started to up their game and hit some fine scores .  The goal was well taken and that was the game over.
At this point Fermanagh put Tom Clarke on the edge of the square and lumped the ball into him.
We created 4 goal chances and missed them all.  Pity we hadnít done it earlier as The Armagh full back line is not comfortable under the high ball.

A win for Meath tomorrow means they are promoted.  The worst they can do after that is a three way tie and their scoring difference is much much better than Fermanagh's and Donegalís.


Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 16, 2019, 09:15:34 PM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

I did. Pure poison. Div 1 wonít be interesting but it will be informative. No wins. No glory. Just defeats and utter boredom. Football will die in Fermanagh and what for? A few boring Div 2 wins?

As custodians of the game Fermanagh have a f**k you, f**k tradition, f**k entertainment, the game is worth nothing and is there to be abused or at least exploited sort of attitude. A plague on their house


Fermanagh and Armagh have gotten to know each other very well over the past few years in league and championship.
A few boring Div 2 wins ?  Is that not what Armagh have managed under McGeeney?
Donít worry about football dying in Fermanagh.  Itís done that several times and we have managed a few resurrections. 
Custodians of the game ? Lol.  Tradition lol.
Armagh played the ball backwards today for most of second half. 
I have no issue with it as it is the obvious way to show up the Fermanagh mass defence. 
Fair play to the Armagh management for doing it.
But if they were to be true custodians of the game then they should have attacked.
Must keep you up at night
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 16, 2019, 09:42:14 PM
I was going to ask because if Meath were to win against Clare but lost to femanagh and donegal win with all team on 10 points would it still be decided on scoring differences or head to head as Fermanagh and Donegal would then have beaten us?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 16, 2019, 10:01:50 PM
I was going to ask because if Meath were to win against Clare but lost to femanagh and donegal win with all team on 10 points would it still be decided on scoring differences or head to head as Fermanagh and Donegal would then have beaten us?
Scoring difference
Only head to head when they are two teams tied
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Owen Brannigan on March 16, 2019, 10:14:55 PM
When does Meath play Clare?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 16, 2019, 10:31:01 PM
Have to say today was very frustrating.
We did a great job in the first half of containing Armagh against a very strong breeze .
Hurson has a decent game in the middle apart from the blantant pull back from Jamie Clarke in the first half which should have been a black. 
Fermanagh contained the Armagh forwards but we couldnít get a hold of the ball in midfield.
Though the Armagh midfield bossed the entire game. They were the platform for the Armagh success.   Charlie Vernon had a great game.  I actually cannot remember Fermanagh winning a clean ball at midfield the whole game. 
The second half was just awful stuff from a Fermanagh point of view.  We had a very strong breeze and we just didnít play anybody up front until the last 5 minutes .
We have played like this before but this year we have been attacking at pace and en masse.  We didnít do that today.  Everything was far too slow and sideways.  Armagh then started to up their game and hit some fine scores .  The goal was well taken and that was the game over.
At this point Fermanagh put Tom Clarke on the edge of the square and lumped the ball into him.
We created 4 goal chances and missed them all.  Pity we hadnít done it earlier as The Armagh full back line is not comfortable under the high ball.

A win for Meath tomorrow means they are promoted.  The worst they can do after that is a three way tie and their scoring difference is much much better than Fermanagh's and Donegalís.

Fairly sensible post although a pull back is a yellow not black. A pull down would be black.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 16, 2019, 10:32:32 PM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

I did. Pure poison. Div 1 wonít be interesting but it will be informative. No wins. No glory. Just defeats and utter boredom. Football will die in Fermanagh and what for? A few boring Div 2 wins?

As custodians of the game Fermanagh have a f**k you, f**k tradition, f**k entertainment, the game is worth nothing and is there to be abused or at least exploited sort of attitude. A plague on their house


Fermanagh and Armagh have gotten to know each other very well over the past few years in league and championship.
A few boring Div 2 wins ?  Is that not what Armagh have managed under McGeeney?
Donít worry about football dying in Fermanagh.  Itís done that several times and we have managed a few resurrections. 
Custodians of the game ? Lol.  Tradition lol.
Armagh played the ball backwards today for most of second half. 
I have no issue with it as it is the obvious way to show up the Fermanagh mass defence. 
Fair play to the Armagh management for doing it.
But if they were to be true custodians of the game then they should have attacked.
Must keep you up at night

I think you will find that to go all our attack against a blanket defence would be suicide.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 16, 2019, 10:39:20 PM
Completely agree with you.
That's the point I was trying to make .
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 16, 2019, 10:43:43 PM
When does Meath play Clare?
Tomorrow.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 17, 2019, 07:28:42 AM
So if Meath win today Fermanagh will have to go all out attack next week if they want promotion to have a better scoring record than Donegal.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 17, 2019, 08:09:58 AM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

I did. Pure poison. Div 1 wonít be interesting but it will be informative. No wins. No glory. Just defeats and utter boredom. Football will die in Fermanagh and what for? A few boring Div 2 wins?

As custodians of the game Fermanagh have a f**k you, f**k tradition, f**k entertainment, the game is worth nothing and is there to be abused or at least exploited sort of attitude. A plague on their house


Fermanagh and Armagh have gotten to know each other very well over the past few years in league and championship.
A few boring Div 2 wins ?  Is that not what Armagh have managed under McGeeney?
Donít worry about football dying in Fermanagh.  Itís done that several times and we have managed a few resurrections. 
Custodians of the game ? Lol.  Tradition lol.
Armagh played the ball backwards today for most of second half. 
I have no issue with it as it is the obvious way to show up the Fermanagh mass defence. 
Fair play to the Armagh management for doing it.
But if they were to be true custodians of the game then they should have attacked.
Must keep you up at night

I thought we had a good mix of attack and not attack in the second half. We probed when we could and were patient when we needed to be. Also thought we mixed pressing your defence well. We did at times, forcing errors, and at times we let you be. Management came up with a good game plan and it worked today. The crowd got very frustrated with our playing the ball back at times but it needed to be done
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 17, 2019, 10:54:27 AM
Good win for Armagh against an ultra-defensive Fermanagh. It's probably as well as this Armagh team has played against a negative team.  It was far from perfect with the final ball letting us down when the scoring opportunities arose but still a good improvement on what has gone before.  Ethan Rafferty made a telling contribution when he came on. Soupy played well also.  From a selfish club perspective very disappointed for Pearse Casey who played full forward and had one over-hit pass kicked into him in the 20 odd minutes he was on the field and was called ashore.
Fermanagh were shockingly poor.  I don't believe they even had a shot on goal for the first 20/25 minutes of the second half with 15 men in their own 45 for the majority of that time.  They only came out to play when Armagh scored the goal and looked dangerous when they did with some excellent defending from Armagh keeping them at bay.  The Fermanagh fans around me were very frustrated, understandingly so.  Those saying fair f**ks to them mustn't have played against them much.  The football Gallagher has them playing is a scourge on the game and I'm glad we won to allow this rant without it sounding like sour grapes.
The game was refereed well by Sean Hurson BTW with black cards given to both teams when there were cynical tackles.

Agree with you Mackers. On Gallagher the amount of instructions he shouts at his team during the game is incredible. They mustn't be allowed to think for themselves. The perspective is that he is getting results so that is unlikely to change. His system is damn hard to play against and even harder to watch.

Also you are spot on about the referee. He has been the best we have had this year - although to be fair the competition isn't very tough  :D
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: David McKeown on March 17, 2019, 11:05:03 AM
I was very impressed with the Armagh game plan yesterday and itís correct to say they mixed pressuring well against sitting off and cutting Fermanaghís options. I donít think the wind had that much of impact it seemed more diagonal than straight down the pitch and seemed to make little impact on where goal kicks were landing.

Hurson I thought had a very good game although I missed the Clarke incident discussed above save for his yellow card on Forker for a high tackle having already previously adjudged two high tackles by Fermanagh defenders to be only worthy of frees but thatís me being ultra critical.

As for the Fermanagh style of play I have to say I think itís fascinating to watch and I know Iím in the minority (possibly of one) here. I really enjoy the tactical battle of watching teams try to break them down as well as try to deal with their transitioning. Unlike when say Armagh go ultra defensive Fermanagh seem particularly good at it. Similarly those who transition know when to break and when to conserve energy. I really enjoy watching teams try to adapt to that. I think most of the criticism they are getting is unwarranted. There were times in the first half that there were 29 men inside the Fermanagh 45 yet within 20 seconds Fermanagh had scored its simply a different style of football and to me it makes the sport more interesting.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 17, 2019, 02:45:16 PM
Meath 0-08
Clare 1-04

Half time

We started strongly with 4 unanswered points but weíve struggled since even with the wind. Clare winning it on balance at midfield.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 17, 2019, 03:24:59 PM
Meath 7 ahead with less than 10 mins to play are they promoted with a win today?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 17, 2019, 03:39:32 PM
Meath 1-12
Clare 1-07

Strolled to victory in the end.

Fermanagh would have to hammer us to stop us going up now.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Captain Obvious on March 17, 2019, 03:54:52 PM
Good win for Armagh yesterday and for once good discipline was displayed. The two draws in games Armagh should have won will cost promotion by the looks of it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 17, 2019, 04:03:57 PM
Meath 1-12
Clare 1-07

Strolled to victory in the end.

Fermanagh would have to hammer us to stop us going up now.

I canít see fermanagh hammering anybody
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2019, 04:04:38 PM
Meath 1-12
Clare 1-07

Strolled to victory in the end.

Fermanagh would have to hammer us to stop us going up now.

Meath are up.
Dead rubber for them next week  ;)
Sure we can shake on a 9 point win for Fermanagh next week.
That way you are up on points difference and you will  get a handier final as well.
Easy 2 points for you next season in division 1 as well
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 17, 2019, 04:42:13 PM
Will all the throw in times be the same? We can have the Donegal match played over the loadspeakers in PT next week and we can adjust our performance and the score line accordingly. Weíll just tap the ball around the park until Donegal score then weíll let ye have it.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 17, 2019, 05:08:22 PM
Perfect
And if Kildare are winning we can just settle on the draw?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on March 22, 2019, 01:43:18 PM
Was really looking forward to the Cork game on Sunday from the draw was made as months ago i assumed this would be win or bust game for Armagh but has turned out the opposite as we've nothing to play for...Obviously Cork need the win but from an Armagh perspective it's meaningless, will KmcG give squad members some game time and will he rest anyone carrying a knock etc...I'd imagine he will which could well give Cork the advantage they need. It's has not got me bursting to get a ticket for the game although i know i'll still end up at it.

What way does it leave Cork if they win, If Tipp beat Clare and Cork win Tipp will still be relegated on the head to head, is this correct. If Clare beat Tipp and Cork win, cork will be relegated as Clare beat cork, is this correct?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 22, 2019, 02:14:51 PM
Was really looking forward to the Cork game on Sunday from the draw was made as months ago i assumed this would be win or bust game for Armagh but has turned out the opposite as we've nothing to play for...Obviously Cork need the win but from an Armagh perspective it's meaningless, will KmcG give squad members some game time and will he rest anyone carrying a knock etc...I'd imagine he will which could well give Cork the advantage they need. It's has not got me bursting to get a ticket for the game although i know i'll still end up at it.

What way does it leave Cork if they win, If Tipp beat Clare and Cork win Tipp will still be relegated on the head to head, is this correct. If Clare beat Tipp and Cork win, cork will be relegated as Clare beat cork, is this correct?

If Cork beat Armagh and Tip and Clare draw then Cork stay up.
If Cork beat Armagh and Tip beat Clare then Cork will stay up as Cork beat Tip.
If Cork win and Clare beat Tip then Tip and Cork are both relegated.


(I) Points awarded in league.
(II) If 2 teams are level on points relegation is determined by head to head result
(III) If more than 2 teams end up on same points then relegation is decided based on score difference.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: armaghniac on March 22, 2019, 06:48:03 PM
Was really looking forward to the Cork game on Sunday from the draw was made as months ago i assumed this would be win or bust game for Armagh but has turned out the opposite as we've nothing to play for...Obviously Cork need the win but from an Armagh perspective it's meaningless, will KmcG give squad members some game time and will he rest anyone carrying a knock etc...I'd imagine he will which could well give Cork the advantage they need. It's has not got me bursting to get a ticket for the game although i know i'll still end up at it.

What way does it leave Cork if they win, If Tipp beat Clare and Cork win Tipp will still be relegated on the head to head, is this correct. If Clare beat Tipp and Cork win, cork will be relegated as Clare beat cork, is this correct?

If Cork beat Armagh and Tip and Clare draw then Cork stay up.
If Cork beat Armagh and Tip beat Clare then Cork will stay up as Cork beat Tip.
If Cork win and Clare beat Tip then Tip and Cork are both relegated.


(I) Points awarded in league.
(II) If 2 teams are level on points relegation is determined by head to head result
(III) If more than 2 teams end up on same points then relegation is decided based on score difference.

Cork with something to play for then, there should be mighty crowd from the Lee in Armagh.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Horse Box on March 23, 2019, 11:14:08 AM
Tipp Team for tomorrow :

Evan Comerford
Alan Campbell
John Meagher
Emmett Moloney
Kevin Fahey
Daire Brennan
Jimmy Feehan
Steven O'Brien
Liam Casey
Jack Kennedy
Liam McGrath
Brian Fox
Philip Austin
Conor Sweeney
Michael Quinlivan

What`s the Armagh Team like for their game tomorrow , will they make many changes considering they have nothing to play for ?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 23, 2019, 12:53:53 PM
Tipp Team for tomorrow :

Evan Comerford
Alan Campbell
John Meagher
Emmett Moloney
Kevin Fahey
Daire Brennan
Jimmy Feehan
Steven O'Brien
Liam Casey
Jack Kennedy
Liam McGrath
Brian Fox
Philip Austin
Conor Sweeney
Michael Quinlivan

What`s the Armagh Team like for their game tomorrow , will they make many changes considering they have nothing to play for ?

1. Blaine Hughes
2. Patrick Burns
3. Aaron McKay
4. Paul Hughes
5. Ryan Kennedy
6. Brendan Donaghy
7. Aidan Forker
8. Jarly Og Burns
9. Niall Grimley
10. Rory Grugan
11. Charlie Vernon
12. Jemar Hall
13. Rian O'Neill
14. Pearse Casey
15. Jamie Clarke
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 23, 2019, 05:50:50 PM
Meath going with the same team as before with McEntees back starting. Close to a full strength squad minus Niall Kane who wonít be back til the championship Iíd say. Reilly held on the bench once again. Itís hard to know what the best way to attack Fermanagh is. Armagh seemed to have no problem running at them but thatís only going by highlights. Whether the opportunities for marks to be won by the likes of Newman are worth pursuing is hard to judge. But I can see Fermanagh getting more and more anxious if we get in front or if we just keep the scoring close which in itself should play to our advantage as the game progresses.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: dec on March 23, 2019, 05:57:27 PM
Tipp Team for tomorrow :

Evan Comerford
Alan Campbell
John Meagher
Emmett Moloney
Kevin Fahey
Daire Brennan
Jimmy Feehan
Steven O'Brien
Liam Casey
Jack Kennedy
Liam McGrath
Brian Fox
Philip Austin
Conor Sweeney
Michael Quinlivan

What`s the Armagh Team like for their game tomorrow , will they make many changes considering they have nothing to play for ?

1. Blaine Hughes
2. Patrick Burns
3. Aaron McKay
4. Paul Hughes
5. Ryan Kennedy
6. Brendan Donaghy
7. Aidan Forker
8. Jarly Og Burns
9. Niall Grimley
10. Rory Grugan
11. Charlie Vernon
12. Jemar Hall
13. Rian O'Neill
14. Pearse Casey
15. Jamie Clarke

Is Niall Grimley any relation to the twins who played for Armagh in the 90s?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Rossfan on March 23, 2019, 08:33:11 PM
Can I book my place in this thread for 2020?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 23, 2019, 09:03:21 PM
Tipp Team for tomorrow :

Evan Comerford
Alan Campbell
John Meagher
Emmett Moloney
Kevin Fahey
Daire Brennan
Jimmy Feehan
Steven O'Brien
Liam Casey
Jack Kennedy
Liam McGrath
Brian Fox
Philip Austin
Conor Sweeney
Michael Quinlivan

What`s the Armagh Team like for their game tomorrow , will they make many changes considering they have nothing to play for ?

1. Blaine Hughes
2. Patrick Burns
3. Aaron McKay
4. Paul Hughes
5. Ryan Kennedy
6. Brendan Donaghy
7. Aidan Forker
8. Jarly Og Burns
9. Niall Grimley
10. Rory Grugan
11. Charlie Vernon
12. Jemar Hall
13. Rian O'Neill
14. Pearse Casey
15. Jamie Clarke

Is Niall Grimley any relation to the twins who played for Armagh in the 90s?

No as far as I know - unless there is some far out connection.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tippabu on March 24, 2019, 08:58:19 AM
Can I book my place in this thread for 2020?

I'll book in too as long as there is free cancellation!!!

Hopefully we do our part today and whatever happens in Armagh happens and we can't control that.

Clare are the only team who have it in their own hands with a win. Tipp and cork must rely on cork and Clare respectively dropping points
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: smelmoth on March 24, 2019, 09:03:59 AM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

I did. Pure poison. Div 1 wonít be interesting but it will be informative. No wins. No glory. Just defeats and utter boredom. Football will die in Fermanagh and what for? A few boring Div 2 wins?

As custodians of the game Fermanagh have a f**k you, f**k tradition, f**k entertainment, the game is worth nothing and is there to be abused or at least exploited sort of attitude. A plague on their house


Fermanagh and Armagh have gotten to know each other very well over the past few years in league and championship.
A few boring Div 2 wins ?  Is that not what Armagh have managed under McGeeney?
Donít worry about football dying in Fermanagh.  Itís done that several times and we have managed a few resurrections. 
Custodians of the game ? Lol.  Tradition lol.
Armagh played the ball backwards today for most of second half. 
I have no issue with it as it is the obvious way to show up the Fermanagh mass defence. 
Fair play to the Armagh management for doing it.
But if they were to be true custodians of the game then they should have attacked.
Must keep you up at night

To be fair Armagh have done a little more than that under MCGeeney. Only a very little. This is the best bunch of players he has had. A few implosions in the opening game have cost us being in the promotion mix. McGeeney will be judging championship football and our record in Ulster is shocking. There also is the fact that Armagh when playing with confidence are one the best teams to watch. When the confidence ebbs away they are shocking to watch as bravery in moving the ball goes out the window

Every game has and needs custodians. That can be players and managers or it can be officials and rule makers. If itís not the first group it will have to be the second group. But you keep LOLing. That will help.

Armagh playing it sideways against a massed defence is terrible to watch. I get that. But when the team behind has a chance of promotion if the win and they donít come out and get the ball you have to ask what were they trying to get out of the game???
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 24, 2019, 09:56:39 AM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

I did. Pure poison. Div 1 wonít be interesting but it will be informative. No wins. No glory. Just defeats and utter boredom. Football will die in Fermanagh and what for? A few boring Div 2 wins?

As custodians of the game Fermanagh have a f**k you, f**k tradition, f**k entertainment, the game is worth nothing and is there to be abused or at least exploited sort of attitude. A plague on their house


Fermanagh and Armagh have gotten to know each other very well over the past few years in league and championship.
A few boring Div 2 wins ?  Is that not what Armagh have managed under McGeeney?
Donít worry about football dying in Fermanagh.  Itís done that several times and we have managed a few resurrections. 
Custodians of the game ? Lol.  Tradition lol.
Armagh played the ball backwards today for most of second half. 
I have no issue with it as it is the obvious way to show up the Fermanagh mass defence. 
Fair play to the Armagh management for doing it.
But if they were to be true custodians of the game then they should have attacked.
Must keep you up at night

To be fair Armagh have done a little more than that under MCGeeney. Only a very little. This is the best bunch of players he has had. A few implosions in the opening game have cost us being in the promotion mix. McGeeney will be judging championship football and our record in Ulster is shocking. There also is the fact that Armagh when playing with confidence are one the best teams to watch. When the confidence ebbs away they are shocking to watch as bravery in moving the ball goes out the window

Every game has and needs custodians. That can be players and managers or it can be officials and rule makers. If itís not the first group it will have to be the second group. But you keep LOLing. That will help.

Armagh playing it sideways against a massed defence is terrible to watch. I get that. But when the team behind has a chance of promotion if the win and they donít come out and get the ball you have to ask what were they trying to get out of the game???

You have a very short memory.
You talk about custodians of the game.
What team would be known for introducing the first form of a sweeper?
Armagh wouldn't have won an All Ireland playing that way would they ?
If you have an issue with Fermanagh that's fair enough.
I can understand it.
I really can.
But it's just tactics. Things have and are evolving .



Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 24, 2019, 10:00:36 AM
Fermanagh are winning games on their own terms and f**k everyone else to be honest. I would not fancy any of this current Div 2 crop to do much damage next year in Div 1 mind.

Gallagherís plan will run out of steam. It relies on huge player commitment and isnít much fun to play. The compensation for the players is results. But they are short term results. Promotion to Division 1 will trigger defeat after defeat. What is the upside then? Any player drop outs will force Rory to look towards a shallow pool of talent especially if you are looking for club players at the required fitness level

In the meantime itís brutal to watch. The game wouldnít be viable for long if a majority of teams decided to play this type of sh1te


You should go and watch Fermanagh play this year before you pass judgement.
The only games we played this year where we were hard to watch was the opening two games against Cork and Tipperary. The players looked nervous .  As the league has progressed our attacking intent has developed. Against both Kildare, Donegal and Clare we were by far the superior team. We hit alot of wide's in all three games and missed alot of goal chances .
Certainly without the ball we drop men back but when we have the ball we attack with pace.
It's a lazy narrative to call Fermanagh negative and gives the players or management no credit.
Fermanagh had lost a third of the starting championship team from last year through injury, retirements and lads dropping off. Seamie Quigley, Tomas and Ruairi Corrigan, Michael Jones and Barry Mulrone. We have a very small panel of players buts its a testament to our underage academy ( St Michaels Ennniskilen) that we are able to replace these lads and push on.
These were all massive players for Fermanagh and I think that's what makes the current league position so good.
Add to that the fact that the Fermanagh players also took serious abuse from the national media when they basically ousted  Pete McGrath as well.
Would be great to play in division 1.
As others have said it happened before.  I remember Fermangh beating Dublin in Brewster the last time we were there.
It wasn't that long ago that I was in London watching Fermanagh getting dumped out of the championship.
Feck the begrudgers.

I did. Pure poison. Div 1 wonít be interesting but it will be informative. No wins. No glory. Just defeats and utter boredom. Football will die in Fermanagh and what for? A few boring Div 2 wins?

As custodians of the game Fermanagh have a f**k you, f**k tradition, f**k entertainment, the game is worth nothing and is there to be abused or at least exploited sort of attitude. A plague on their house


Fermanagh and Armagh have gotten to know each other very well over the past few years in league and championship.
A few boring Div 2 wins ?  Is that not what Armagh have managed under McGeeney?
Donít worry about football dying in Fermanagh.  Itís done that several times and we have managed a few resurrections. 
Custodians of the game ? Lol.  Tradition lol.
Armagh played the ball backwards today for most of second half. 
I have no issue with it as it is the obvious way to show up the Fermanagh mass defence. 
Fair play to the Armagh management for doing it.
But if they were to be true custodians of the game then they should have attacked.
Must keep you up at night

To be fair Armagh have done a little more than that under MCGeeney. Only a very little. This is the best bunch of players he has had. A few implosions in the opening game have cost us being in the promotion mix. McGeeney will be judging championship football and our record in Ulster is shocking. There also is the fact that Armagh when playing with confidence are one the best teams to watch. When the confidence ebbs away they are shocking to watch as bravery in moving the ball goes out the window

Every game has and needs custodians. That can be players and managers or it can be officials and rule makers. If itís not the first group it will have to be the second group. But you keep LOLing. That will help.

Armagh playing it sideways against a massed defence is terrible to watch. I get that. But when the team behind has a chance of promotion if the win and they donít come out and get the ball you have to ask what were they trying to get out of the game???

Armagh record in the last 5 years is nothing to write home about.
You have been bouncing between division 3 and 2 in that time .
You have a decent backdoor record but my own county has made an Ulster final and an all Ireland quarter final in the same period and we have changed managers.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: lurganblue on March 24, 2019, 02:11:51 PM
Cork off to a flyer. 2-2 to 0-1
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: haranguerer on March 24, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
Fernmanagh 4 - 1 up. Have hit 9 wides too  :'(
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: haranguerer on March 24, 2019, 02:22:03 PM
(so little over a minute per scoring chance - tight going for such a putrid defensive outfit...)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 24, 2019, 02:39:32 PM
Meath 1-04
Fermanagh 0-06

Half time. Fermanagh didnít score for 30 mins. They Could be winning but shocking wides.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: StephenC on March 24, 2019, 02:39:38 PM
HT Donegal 0-13 Kildare 0-01
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 24, 2019, 02:41:34 PM
Meath          12
Donegal       10
Fermanagh   8
Kildare         7
Armagh        6
Cork            5   
Tipperary     5
Clare           3


As it stands Tipperary and Clare are being relegated while Meath and Donegal are going up
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 24, 2019, 02:47:24 PM
Fermanagh should have been about 10 - 0 up in the first 15minutes. Shocking shooting again .
Meath scored a crucial goal and lead at half time with a very strong breeze at their backs.
Looks like Meath and Donegal to get promoted
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 24, 2019, 03:06:35 PM
Meath          12
Donegal       10
Fermanagh   8
Kildare         7
Armagh        6
Clare            5   
Cork           5
Tipperary    3

Clare have taken a 3 point lead after hitting 1-5 unanswered
As it stands Tipperary and Clare are being relegated while Meath and Donegal are going up
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 24, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
Meath 2-08
Fermanagh 0-07
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 24, 2019, 03:18:00 PM
Tipp have scored 4 unanswered points now
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: thejuice on March 24, 2019, 03:34:16 PM
Meath 2-12
Fermanagh 0-11
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Harold Disgracey on March 24, 2019, 03:36:41 PM
In stoppage time Cork 3-9 1-13 Armagh. Armagh very poor Deegan worse.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: StephenC on March 24, 2019, 03:37:37 PM
Donegal 1-20 Kildare 0-10
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 24, 2019, 04:04:29 PM
Final Division 2 table for 2019

Meath 12
Donegal 10
   
Fermanagh 8   
Kildare 7
Armagh 6
Clare    5
Cork 5
Tipperary 3
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 24, 2019, 04:23:48 PM
I am glad Clare beat Cork as it would have been cruel on Tipp to get relegated based on Cork beating Armagh. Armagh attitude in first half was terrible.  Add to that a ridiculous black card for Niall Grimley just before half time, a few generous decisions going Cork's  way and what seemed poor time keeping at end of game. Luckily it didn't matter.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on March 24, 2019, 04:39:32 PM
In stoppage time Cork 3-9 1-13 Armagh. Armagh very poor Deegan worse.

Was he under strict Croke Park instructions to try his best to keep Cork up, absolute atrocious performance from him. It's a good job Clare won cause if Tipp had of beat Clare and they seen the Ref's performance they'd have been fuming.
That aside Armagh's first half performance was terrible, I know it's difficult when you have nothing to play for but that first half attitude was not good enough, fans are paying good money and travelling to the game so the very least we expect is the effort. They clearly got a telling off at HT. The ease in which Cork scored 3 goals is a worry
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: armaghniac on March 24, 2019, 05:23:51 PM
While they occasionally had bits of good play, Armagh can't be letting in handy goals like that.
Chilly day, fair play to the Cork supporter near me in shorts.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Solo_run on March 24, 2019, 05:43:08 PM
Division 2 next season

Armagh
Cavan
Roscommon
Kildare
Fermanagh
Laois
Westmeath or Louth
Clare

Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: David McKeown on March 24, 2019, 05:47:44 PM
In stoppage time Cork 3-9 1-13 Armagh. Armagh very poor Deegan worse.

Was he under strict Croke Park instructions to try his best to keep Cork up, absolute atrocious performance from him. It's a good job Clare won cause if Tipp had of beat Clare and they seen the Ref's performance they'd have been fuming.
That aside Armagh's first half performance was terrible, I know it's difficult when you have nothing to play for but that first half attitude was not good enough, fans are paying good money and travelling to the game so the very least we expect is the effort. They clearly got a telling off at HT. The ease in which Cork scored 3 goals is a worry

I didn't think Deegan had too bad a game with the exception of the black card for Grimley.  What worries me far more is that once again this season Armagh played their way back into a game and then reverted to a tactic that has completely failed them all season and which once again failed them today.  Going 15 against 15 Armagh look like they could give anyone a game, dropping off and playing multiple sweepers etc and they look like a poor team.  For some reason Armagh seem to revert to the later far too often.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: ardchieftain on March 24, 2019, 07:13:41 PM
Deegan was that bad. Cork should have had 2 black cards in 2nd half alone.
Anyway, the 1st half performance by Armagh was so bad they didn't deserve to win any game. Very disappointing.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Over the Bar on March 24, 2019, 07:16:37 PM
Division 2 next season

Armagh
Cavan
Roscommon
Kildare
Fermanagh
Laois
Westmeath or Louth
Clare

For sure. And you'll win your 2nd all-ireland too!  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: David McKeown on March 24, 2019, 08:05:56 PM
Deegan was that bad. Cork should have had 2 black cards in 2nd half alone.
Anyway, the 1st half performance by Armagh was so bad they didn't deserve to win any game. Very disappointing.

Which incidents?  I was to far from the penalty and everything else seemed like a yellow card offence to me.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 24, 2019, 08:10:09 PM
Deegan was that bad. Cork should have had 2 black cards in 2nd half alone.
Anyway, the 1st half performance by Armagh was so bad they didn't deserve to win any game. Very disappointing.

Which incidents?  I was to far from the penalty and everything else seemed like a yellow card offence to me.

The penalty was a definite penalty but it was a pull back not a pull down so not a black card. Dunnonif rhats one of the incidents referred to thi. Thought we should have had another penalty. Rafferty was fouled in the box. Definite foul. Happened during an advantage tho and he brought it back for the initial foul seemingly. Whyats the rule in that regard
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: mackers on March 24, 2019, 08:32:25 PM
I didn't think Deegan had too bad a game with the exception of the black card for Grimley.  What worries me far more is that once again this season Armagh played their way back into a game and then reverted to a tactic that has completely failed them all season and which once again failed them today.  Going 15 against 15 Armagh look like they could give anyone a game, dropping off and playing multiple sweepers etc and they look like a poor team.  For some reason Armagh seem to revert to the later far too often.
I'd agree with everything you said David except for the bit in bold.  I felt it was a deserved black card. He tripped the Cork player with a rugby style tap tackle as he was running away from him.  Our supporters booed correct decisions by the ref on more than one occasion today.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Throw ball on March 24, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
I didn't think Deegan had too bad a game with the exception of the black card for Grimley.  What worries me far more is that once again this season Armagh played their way back into a game and then reverted to a tactic that has completely failed them all season and which once again failed them today.  Going 15 against 15 Armagh look like they could give anyone a game, dropping off and playing multiple sweepers etc and they look like a poor team.  For some reason Armagh seem to revert to the later far too often.
I'd agree with everything you said David except for the bit in bold.  I felt it was a deserved black card. He tripped the Cork player with a rugby style tap tackle as he was running away from him.  Our supporters booed correct decisions by the ref on more than one occasion today.

Disagree Mackers. From our view it looked like Grimley caught the fella as he tried to break his fall after slipping. Accidental rather than deliberate. Rafferty on the other hand was a black card. Didn't see any black card offences from Cork.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on March 24, 2019, 10:35:29 PM
I didn't think Deegan had too bad a game with the exception of the black card for Grimley.  What worries me far more is that once again this season Armagh played their way back into a game and then reverted to a tactic that has completely failed them all season and which once again failed them today.  Going 15 against 15 Armagh look like they could give anyone a game, dropping off and playing multiple sweepers etc and they look like a poor team.  For some reason Armagh seem to revert to the later far too often.
I'd agree with everything you said David except for the bit in bold.  I felt it was a deserved black card. He tripped the Cork player with a rugby style tap tackle as he was running away from him.  Our supporters booed correct decisions by the ref on more than one occasion today.

Agreed 100%, he got Grimley's black card correct but about 2 mins previous the Cork lad literally pulled the shorts of the Armagh player (can't remember the player) and yes we got the free but no yellow or black card. It was so obvious it was laughable. I was right at the score board end and TBH Rafferty's foul was probably just outside but his momentum carried him on into the box. I just thought Cork were getting the we silly 50/50 decisions, what is the rule regarding the keeper getting the ball punched out of his arms and into the net?
Armagh just couldn't deal with Cork's men running of the shoulder and they got majority of their scores from that move, still haven't got over that first half performance...brutal.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: ardchieftain on March 24, 2019, 10:36:35 PM
Deegan was that bad. Cork should have had 2 black cards in 2nd half alone.
Anyway, the 1st half performance by Armagh was so bad they didn't deserve to win any game. Very disappointing.

Which incidents?  I was to far from the penalty and everything else seemed like a yellow card offence to me.

The penalty was a definite penalty but it was a pull back not a pull down so not a black card. Dunnonif rhats one of the incidents referred to thi. Thought we should have had another penalty. Rafferty was fouled in the box. Definite foul. Happened during an advantage tho and he brought it back for the initial foul seemingly. Whyats the rule in that regard

I concede that the pull back wasn't a black card techinically. Nugent beats his man, is through on goal and gets his togs dragged back, is a yellow card sufficient punishment?
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: jmk on March 24, 2019, 11:09:05 PM
by the rules  not one of the designated black card offences but Deegan didn't even give yellow for pullimg Nugent back by his shorts when it was very cynical
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: seafoid on March 25, 2019, 09:05:26 AM
Meath 2-08
Fermanagh 0-07
Great to see Meath getting promoted
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: TheGreatest on March 25, 2019, 10:35:59 AM
The words i thought i would never say as a Dub, Delighted to see Meath back in Division 1. Fair play to them and hopefully a couple of battles over the next few years in Div 1 and Leinster.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: David McKeown on March 25, 2019, 11:27:30 AM
I didn't think Deegan had too bad a game with the exception of the black card for Grimley.  What worries me far more is that once again this season Armagh played their way back into a game and then reverted to a tactic that has completely failed them all season and which once again failed them today.  Going 15 against 15 Armagh look like they could give anyone a game, dropping off and playing multiple sweepers etc and they look like a poor team.  For some reason Armagh seem to revert to the later far too often.
I'd agree with everything you said David except for the bit in bold.  I felt it was a deserved black card. He tripped the Cork player with a rugby style tap tackle as he was running away from him.  Our supporters booed correct decisions by the ref on more than one occasion today.

Agreed 100%, he got Grimley's black card correct but about 2 mins previous the Cork lad literally pulled the shorts of the Armagh player (can't remember the player) and yes we got the free but no yellow or black card. It was so obvious it was laughable. I was right at the score board end and TBH Rafferty's foul was probably just outside but his momentum carried him on into the box. I just thought Cork were getting the we silly 50/50 decisions, what is the rule regarding the keeper getting the ball punched out of his arms and into the net?
Armagh just couldn't deal with Cork's men running of the shoulder and they got majority of their scores from that move, still haven't got over that first half performance...brutal.

From where I was it looked like Deegan had awarded a foul before there was any form of trip by Grimley but Iíve spoken to a few since who had a better view than me so I can accept Iím not in the best position to judge.

In respect of your query on challenging the goal keeper the rule is. When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: FermGael on March 25, 2019, 12:31:22 PM
Very impressed with Meath yesterday ( taking out the first 15 minutes ).
Very strong physical side with some classy forwards. James McEntee at whb was excellent.
Easily the best team we have played this year so far .
Only concern I would have is your keeper. Though he struggled to vary the kick outs when Fermanagh were in charge around the middle in the first half.

Fermanaghís biggest issue at the moment is scoring.
We hit 17 wides against Meath yesterday and most of them were in the first 15 minutes.
We should have been at least 7 or 8 up before Meath got their first score.
Defensively we are sound but our shooting has to improve. 
We have hit a serious amount of wides this year across all our games.  We are getting into good positions but we just are not finishing well.

At the start of the campaign I thought drawing with Cork and Tipperary were dropped points in our quest to stay up.  Little did I know those dropped points cost us promotion.
Good campaign as we only had three home games.

Looking to the division next year it looks again very competitive again and the first priority for most teams in the division will be staying in it. 
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: tonto1888 on March 25, 2019, 12:39:00 PM
I didn't think Deegan had too bad a game with the exception of the black card for Grimley.  What worries me far more is that once again this season Armagh played their way back into a game and then reverted to a tactic that has completely failed them all season and which once again failed them today.  Going 15 against 15 Armagh look like they could give anyone a game, dropping off and playing multiple sweepers etc and they look like a poor team.  For some reason Armagh seem to revert to the later far too often.
I'd agree with everything you said David except for the bit in bold.  I felt it was a deserved black card. He tripped the Cork player with a rugby style tap tackle as he was running away from him.  Our supporters booed correct decisions by the ref on more than one occasion today.

Agreed 100%, he got Grimley's black card correct but about 2 mins previous the Cork lad literally pulled the shorts of the Armagh player (can't remember the player) and yes we got the free but no yellow or black card. It was so obvious it was laughable. I was right at the score board end and TBH Rafferty's foul was probably just outside but his momentum carried him on into the box. I just thought Cork were getting the we silly 50/50 decisions, what is the rule regarding the keeper getting the ball punched out of his arms and into the net?
Armagh just couldn't deal with Cork's men running of the shoulder and they got majority of their scores from that move, still haven't got over that first half performance...brutal.

From where I was it looked like Deegan had awarded a foul before there was any form of trip by Grimley but Iíve spoken to a few since who had a better view than me so I can accept Iím not in the best position to judge.

In respect of your query on challenging the goal keeper the rule is. When he is within the small rectangle, the goalkeeper may not be charged but he may be challenged for possession of the ball, and his kick or pass may be blocked. Incidental contact with the goalkeeper while playing the ball is permitted.

I donít think Grimley meant to trip the guy as he was trying to get his balance. That said, the result was the same. Seemed like the linesman who told the ref to give the black card. Iím not sure it really hampered us or have them that much of an afavantage anywy
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on March 25, 2019, 02:13:14 PM
I am glad Clare beat Cork as it would have been cruel on Tipp to get relegated based on Cork beating Armagh. Armagh attitude in first half was terrible.  Add to that a ridiculous black card for Niall Grimley just before half time, a few generous decisions going Cork's  way and what seemed poor time keeping at end of game. Luckily it didn't matter.

Challenging season for Clare especially with players missing at start of campaign.  Had only 3 home games (and as it turns out two of those against the eventual top 2).  Poor second half performances against Kildare and Fermanagh away and Meath at home were disheartening.

That said when chips were down yesterday they fought back 3 times to reel Tipp in.   

Shame that they are on same side of draw as Kerry again in Munster championship.

/Jim.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: armaghniac on March 25, 2019, 05:50:02 PM
I am glad Clare beat Cork as it would have been cruel on Tipp to get relegated based on Cork beating Armagh. Armagh attitude in first half was terrible.  Add to that a ridiculous black card for Niall Grimley just before half time, a few generous decisions going Cork's  way and what seemed poor time keeping at end of game. Luckily it didn't matter.

Challenging season for Clare especially with players missing at start of campaign.  Had only 3 home games (and as it turns out two of those against the eventual top 2).  Poor second half performances against Kildare and Fermanagh away and Meath at home were disheartening.

That said when chips were down yesterday they fought back 3 times to reel Tipp in.   

Shame that they are on same side of draw as Kerry again in Munster championship.

/Jim.

Only 3 away games of course too and one neutral venue, even if half the pitch is in Armagh.
I expect Clare is happy to be above Cork in the overall scheme of things.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on March 26, 2019, 10:01:46 AM
I am glad Clare beat Cork as it would have been cruel on Tipp to get relegated based on Cork beating Armagh. Armagh attitude in first half was terrible.  Add to that a ridiculous black card for Niall Grimley just before half time, a few generous decisions going Cork's  way and what seemed poor time keeping at end of game. Luckily it didn't matter.

Challenging season for Clare especially with players missing at start of campaign.  Had only 3 home games (and as it turns out two of those against the eventual top 2).  Poor second half performances against Kildare and Fermanagh away and Meath at home were disheartening.

That said when chips were down yesterday they fought back 3 times to reel Tipp in.   

Shame that they are on same side of draw as Kerry again in Munster championship.

/Jim.

Only 3 away games of course too and one neutral venue, even if half the pitch is in Armagh.
I expect Clare is happy to be above Cork in the overall scheme of things.

Admittedly Armagh's punishment did aid Clare, not sure the lads would have got a point in the Athletic Grounds and a valuable point in proved.

With respect to be being above Cork, I think a bit of credit is what all involved in Clare would like there.  Clare have spent 3 years in Division 2 and beaten Cork in all 3 seasons. 

So despite Spillane and Brolly bleating about Cork demise when Clare beat them this year (3-13 to 1-10) it was hardly as surprise given Cork left Ennis in 2017 beaten (2-11 to 0-9) and Clare went to Cork last year and beat them (0-14 to 0-12)

So in my book Clare are long since a better team than Cork.   

/Jim.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: imtommygunn on March 26, 2019, 10:58:38 AM
Clare have been a decent side this past few years. Fair play to them as they've really stepped it up. From a Cork perspective things have really gone badly. I think what would be more worrying for them would be the hammering their club side took by crokes and what that might say about the standard of their club football. They used to win underage titles and have decent players in those teams but they just seem to lose to Kerry now which is bound to be deflating.

I don't know if UCC means anything as there are a load of Kerry guys on but you'd have thought winning sigerson might help development.

I don't think they are getting out of their slump any time soon.
Title: Re: NFL Division 2 2019
Post by: illdecide on March 26, 2019, 02:45:25 PM
i dunno what the big fuss is about, they've had their day and are going through a transition. They're a big county that will bounce back again in a few years( I think, although I'm about to contradict this...lol), the only worry i'd have if i was a Cork football fan is Hurling is getting more and more dominant in Cork and the longer the footballers waste away in the lower divisions then the bigger the Hurling will get...

Anyway that's a topic for the Div 3 thread now... ;)