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Title: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: rrhf on August 05, 2018, 06:09:52 PM
What a semi!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Boycey on August 05, 2018, 06:25:13 PM
Great, a week of horrible unsavoury comments on here, followed by 78/79 mins of horrible unsavoury football next Sunday before the winner advances to face Galway  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 05, 2018, 06:40:12 PM
Which team is best equipped to keep the score down v Dublin?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: dublin7 on August 05, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
They should put  up basketball nets instead of goalposts  considering all the handpassing that we will have to watch.

 Don't suppose the Irish hockey team have a game next Sunday that the GAA could put on the big screens during the game so the people in the stands can actually watch something that's entertaining
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: SouthDublinBro on August 05, 2018, 06:52:20 PM
The rematch that every Monaghan man has been fearing. In Croke Park too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 05, 2018, 06:54:47 PM
The rematch that every Monaghan man has been fearing. In Croke Park too.

Pish off
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 05, 2018, 07:06:14 PM
Monaghan wouldn't fear Tyrone at all!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redzone on August 05, 2018, 07:40:11 PM
Monaghan wouldn't fear Tyrone at all!
For frig sake lad you are making a clown of your self at this stage. Put the phone down 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 05, 2018, 07:49:30 PM
Sets up a very spicy affair where both will fancy their chances of winning.  Hands up how many thought Tyrone v Monaghan would be AI semi final after the last meeting in May?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 05, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
Iíd expect a dour tactical battle as both teams set up fairly similar. Very little between the sides however on this seasons form you would have to give Monaghan the slight edge. The one drawback is that they are in unchartered territory and an AI final appearance would be massive for them in a way that it wouldnít be for Tyrone. How they cope with this will dictate whether they can progress to the final against Dublin in all likelihood.j
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 05, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
This will be huge. Both teams really fancy their chances. 1 week turnaround as well. Really looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 05, 2018, 08:13:07 PM
Monaghan would put it up to Dublin more than Tyrone. I really hope they reach the final. Have Monaghan appeared in an AI final before?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 05, 2018, 08:14:51 PM
On another issue, why do beaten provincial finalists get a two week break, whereas there's only a week turnaround between the Super 8 stage and the semis? Weird.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Boycey on August 05, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
Monaghan would put it up to Dublin more than Tyrone. I really hope they reach the final. Have Monaghan appeared in an AI final before?

Yes, 1930 8)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 05, 2018, 08:16:34 PM
Monaghan would put it up to Dublin more than Tyrone. I really hope they reach the final. Have Monaghan appeared in an AI final before?

Yes, 1930 8)

Oh aye, Dick Clerkin's debut year  8)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on August 05, 2018, 10:12:05 PM
Will Monaghan have their usual Croke Park melt down?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 05, 2018, 10:38:27 PM
Will Monaghan have their usual Croke Park melt down?

Like we did this year already?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Over the Bar on August 05, 2018, 11:00:39 PM
Monaghan wouldn't fear Tyrone at all!
Is this a parody account or is this ballbag for real?? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 05, 2018, 11:09:29 PM
Monaghan wouldn't fear Tyrone at all!
Is this a parody account or is this ballbag for real?? ;D ;D

This games a win win. If Monaghan win Iíll be delighted for them to reach the all Ireland final. If Tyrone win Iíll be delighted to see Dublin get at them on a full width pitch which Micky hasnít had a chance to doctor.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: rrhf on August 05, 2018, 11:11:50 PM
The best Monaghan team in their history. First time they have ever been favourites to win an all Ireland semi final. Delivery day!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: rrhf on August 05, 2018, 11:13:43 PM
Dubs will ate either team in the final..
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 05, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
The best Monaghan team in their history. First time they have ever been favourites to win an all Ireland semi final. Delivery day!

Tyrone are favourites...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 05, 2018, 11:14:58 PM
Monaghan wouldn't fear Tyrone at all!
Is this a parody account or is this ballbag for real?? ;D ;D

This games a win win. If Monaghan win Iíll be delighted for them to reach the all Ireland final. If Tyrone win Iíll be delighted to see Dublin get at them on a full width pitch which Micky hasnít had a chance to doctor.

I'd prefer to watch the AI final knowing Tyrone can't win it, because they were beaten in the semi.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 05, 2018, 11:20:01 PM
Monaghan wouldn't fear Tyrone at all!
Is this a parody account or is this ballbag for real?? ;D ;D

This games a win win. If Monaghan win Iíll be delighted for them to reach the all Ireland final. If Tyrone win Iíll be delighted to see Dublin get at them on a full width pitch which Micky hasnít had a chance to doctor.

 ;D Yes, youíre coming across like a winner here alright, Lenny.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 05, 2018, 11:38:32 PM
RTEí will hope Tyrone lose another semi-final. They wonít be allowed at the Tyrone banquet.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Kaykays on August 05, 2018, 11:50:18 PM
There's a hunger and control about Monaghan recently that will see them to their 1st All Ireland final in 88yrs. Both teams have improved since their 1st round clash but I can't see anything but a Farney win.
Galway people and neutrals can say they had already one eye on the semis but that's bs... from 1 to 15 they were ate by the ferocity of Monaghan, same again next week
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 06, 2018, 12:05:43 AM
Tyrone strangely are the bookies favorites despite Monaghanís better season and the fact that they have beaten Tyrone twice already this season. Providing Monaghan donít get distracted by the noise around them, I think they have the ability to get to the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 06, 2018, 12:14:02 AM
Tyrone would be expected to beat Monaghan alright.
Not easy but most would expect a Tyrone win Iíd imagine.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 12:31:05 AM
RTEí will hope Tyrone lose another semi-final. They wonít be allowed at the Tyrone banquet.

Don't worry. RTE only attend the winners banquet ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 06, 2018, 06:05:55 AM
Monaghan are a tough prospect for us tho I fully expect the win, need to after the last 4 semi final losses.

They have possibly the best footballer in the country who can get scores from nothing, they have a keeper who can ping points from what looks to be within 60 metres. Their defence is tough and sound. McAnespie, Karl O'Connell, Darren Hughes,  Vinny Corey, Colin Walshe are top class players. They have beaten us twice already this year and should have won all of their super 8s matches

We do know all about them, esp from the match in Omagh, this match is in Croke Park and I got to wonder about the strength in depth.

My biggest worry with this match is McManus and  the frees, Monaghan will punish you all day long and our no show in that department today was worrying. But I think that while Monaghan can match us 15 for 15 they cant 20 for 20. I think we will have better tactics,  and I think we are fitter. We also owe them for 2 defeats this year already and we need to exorcise some demons from last years semi. Tyrone by 4

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2018, 06:37:12 AM
Monaghan wouldn't fear Tyrone at all!
Is this a parody account or is this ballbag for real?? ;D ;D

This games a win win. If Monaghan win Iíll be delighted for them to reach the all Ireland final. If Tyrone win Iíll be delighted to see Dublin get at them on a full width pitch which Micky hasnít had a chance to doctor.

How f**king shit is your life?  ;D

Oh - I see your from Magherafelt

I know see why.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 06, 2018, 06:39:44 AM
Monaghan are a great football team. Next Sunday is gonna be great.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 06, 2018, 06:43:38 AM
Where's Main St?

This is the longest a Tyrone thread has been up without him trolling it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 06, 2018, 07:51:27 AM
Tyrone should be stronger for this game than they were in May, with Brennan, Bradley and Cavanagh now fully fit.  Should be a tight game but I would expect Tyrone to edge it. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fuzzman on August 06, 2018, 08:25:06 AM
It's great to see Tyrone give these poor Derry, Armagh and other sad b'tards from counties who can't get anywhere these days like Meath, something to cheer for and have a bit of interest in this time of year.
Of  course the neutral will be hoping for plucky wee Monaghan, with such a small population, to exact revenge for McManus in Brolly eyes.
I can see him now saying how good always overpowes evil in the end.

Must agree with some posters views yesterday how Joanne cantwell did a much better job that yes man Lybster regarding not letting Brolly and Co get away with inaccurate statements. She's sharp and pulls them up when they contradict themselves.

Weird season where you could make it to an AI final having already lost twice, once to the team in the Semi and once to the time in the AI final.
Even weirder that no sign of Kerry or Mayo who we have struggled to beat for 10 years.
The Monaghan manager, no doubt will be drawing comparisons with meetings with Tyrone in Croker from previous years and how they need to learn from that and overcome that mental block.
I wonder will he also talk about 2001 when Derry came back to beat Tyrone having beaten them earlier that year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2018, 08:41:30 AM
Tyrone strangely are the bookies favorites despite Monaghanís better season and the fact that they have beaten Tyrone twice already this season. Providing Monaghan donít get distracted by the noise around them, I think they have the ability to get to the final.

If you are predicting what will happen next weekend based on the fact that Monaghan have beaten Tyrone already this season then you have little knowledge of the recent championship meetings between these two. If anything, the nightmares of previous Croke Park knock out defeats after they have beaten Tyrone earlier that season, will just add another psychological barrier for this Monaghan team to overcome.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2018, 09:23:49 AM
Everything went right for Monaghan in Omagh in May, everything. They were scoring ridiculous points from every angle they wouldn't any other day and this coupled with us losing 2 key forwards early on meant it was always an uphill struggle. Even with this in their favour they never pulled away until near the end.

We are a far better fitter outfit since then. As they said on the Sunday game last night, our bench has contributed 8 points per game which is an incredible card to play. I fully expect Tyrones conditioning to see them through.
We really really need to watch giving away frees though in scorable positions. (Anything past their own 45 with Beggans ability  ::) ) Do a number on McManus like we did on Murphy yesterday and we're grand.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:03:09 AM
It's great to see Tyrone give these poor Derry, Armagh and other sad b'tards from counties who can't get anywhere these days like Meath, something to cheer for and have a bit of interest in this time of year.

Get over yourself Fuzz. If Carlow and Leitrim were at this stage, people would still be interested in the game and posting on the threads.

If you can't handle a bit of stick and banter, then maybe you should stay off the board.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2018, 10:14:38 AM
It's great to see Tyrone give these poor Derry, Armagh and other sad b'tards from counties who can't get anywhere these days like Meath, something to cheer for and have a bit of interest in this time of year.

Get over yourself Fuzz. If Carlow and Leitrim were at this stage, people would still be interested in the game and posting on the threads.

If you can't handle a bit of stick and banter, then maybe you should stay off the board.

The level of irony in this post is spectacular.  ;D Iíd say Fuzz cares not one jot what our friends in Armagh or Derry think. You however are getting a tad aggressive. Enjoy the rest of the championship lads, looking forward to your neutral input.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2018, 10:28:56 AM
"There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that's not being talked about." ~Oscar Wilde
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 10:38:48 AM
It's great to see Tyrone give these poor Derry, Armagh and other sad b'tards from counties who can't get anywhere these days like Meath, something to cheer for and have a bit of interest in this time of year.

Get over yourself Fuzz. If Carlow and Leitrim were at this stage, people would still be interested in the game and posting on the threads.

If you can't handle a bit of stick and banter, then maybe you should stay off the board.

The level of irony in this post is spectacular.  ;D Iíd say Fuzz cares not one jot what our friends in Armagh or Derry think. You however are getting a tad aggressive. Enjoy the rest of the championship lads, looking forward to your neutral input.

You Tyronies really are a touchy lot.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 06, 2018, 10:41:10 AM
Everything went right for Monaghan in Omagh in May, everything. They were scoring ridiculous points from every angle they wouldn't any other day and this coupled with us losing 2 key forwards early on meant it was always an uphill struggle. Even with this in their favour they never pulled away until near the end.

We are a far better fitter outfit since then. As they said on the Sunday game last night, our bench has contributed 8 points per game which is an incredible card to play. I fully expect Tyrones conditioning to see them through.
We really really need to watch giving away frees though in scorable positions. (Anything past their own 45 with Beggans ability  ::) ) Do a number on McManus like we did on Murphy yesterday and we're grand.

It's amazing the excuses you lot can come up with. Everything went right for us and everything went wrong for yous, wasn't that awful unfortunate. Seems like a formality this weekend now that your horrid luck is gone  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 06, 2018, 10:56:23 AM
Not to mention the fact that Monaghan actually beat Tyrone on their home patch.

Tyrone actually have a poor record in semi finals since last their AI winning team. Tyrone might have been missing Brennan earlier in the championship but will he even be a starter next weekend, I doubt it. Cavanagh also did play in the Omagh defeat earlier in the championship. Revisionism at its best.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2018, 11:00:11 AM
Not to mention the fact that Monaghan actually beat Tyrone on their home patch.

Tyrone actually have a poor record in semi finals since last their AI winning team. Tyrone might have been missing Brennan earlier in the championship but will he even be a starter next weekend, I doubt it. Cavanagh also did play in the Omagh defeat earlier in the championship. Revisionism at its best.

Cork the year before they won an all ireland, Mayo, Kerry, Dublin. Are Monaghan in that category? I havent seen anything yet to say they are.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 06, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
Not to mention the fact that Monaghan actually beat Tyrone on their home patch.

Tyrone actually have a poor record in semi finals since last their AI winning team. Tyrone might have been missing Brennan earlier in the championship but will he even be a starter next weekend, I doubt it. Cavanagh also did play in the Omagh defeat earlier in the championship. Revisionism at its best.

Cork the year before they won an all ireland, Mayo, Kerry, Dublin. Are Monaghan in that category? I havent seen anything yet to say they are.

Of course they arenít, all of those teams won AI titles at some stage. I see it very much as a 50/50 match and both sides will think they have a great chance of getting to a final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Rois on August 06, 2018, 11:30:40 AM
Everything went right for Monaghan in Omagh in May, everything. They were scoring ridiculous points from every angle they wouldn't any other day and this coupled with us losing 2 key forwards early on meant it was always an uphill struggle. Even with this in their favour they never pulled away until near the end.

We are a far better fitter outfit since then. As they said on the Sunday game last night, our bench has contributed 8 points per game which is an incredible card to play. I fully expect Tyrones conditioning to see them through.
We really really need to watch giving away frees though in scorable positions. (Anything past their own 45 with Beggans ability  ::) ) Do a number on McManus like we did on Murphy yesterday and we're grand.

It's amazing the excuses you lot can come up with. Everything went right for us and everything went wrong for yous, wasn't that awful unfortunate. Seems like a formality this weekend now that your horrid luck is gone  ::)
I remember thinking the score flattered us and I had no complaints. However, I also think weíve improved.  Really looking fwd to it as it should be pretty evenly matched.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 11:54:06 AM
Not to mention the fact that Monaghan actually beat Tyrone on their home patch.

Tyrone actually have a poor record in semi finals since last their AI winning team. Tyrone might have been missing Brennan earlier in the championship but will he even be a starter next weekend, I doubt it. Cavanagh also did play in the Omagh defeat earlier in the championship. Revisionism at its best.

I will be absolutely astounded if Lee doesn't start on Sunday, surely he has to feature now. It's a huge game and huge occasion, the big question is will Mickey stick or twist with the team. If I was him I'd go for...

Morgan
McKernan
McNamee
R Brennan (I thought he was excellent when he came on)
McCann
Burns
Harte
Hampsey
Cavanagh
Donnelly
Sludden
McGeary
L Brennan
R Donnelly
Bradley

There are so many headaches (mainly in the forwards) but for this game i'd drop McShane and McAliskey for McGeary and Brennan. It's a really tough call but Conor has drifted out of form after a great start to the year, he's only scored two points from play in the super 8s and those free kick misses in the first half were very poor. He isn't winning as much ball out in front and I'd love to know how many assists he has had as I don't recall him being hugely effective in this area. This is very harsh, I understand, but big calls need to be made.

Cathal is another one that is extremely hard to drop but to fit Brennan in I think it's a direct toss up between himself and Ritchy. I just have a feeling (not sure if others agree or the stats bear it out) that he's been more effective winning ball and bringing others into play. It could easily be him dropping out for Brennan but i'd go with McShane personally. Very hesitantly, though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on August 06, 2018, 12:24:27 PM
Tyrone strangely are the bookies favorites despite Monaghanís better season and the fact that they have beaten Tyrone twice already this season. Providing Monaghan donít get distracted by the noise around them, I think they have the ability to get to the final.

If you are predicting what will happen next weekend based on the fact that Monaghan have beaten Tyrone already this season then you have little knowledge of the recent championship meetings between these two. If anything, the nightmares of previous Croke Park knock out defeats after they have beaten Tyrone earlier that season, will just add another psychological barrier for this Monaghan team to overcome.

I don't agree. I believe the previous two QF knock-out defeats will help Monaghan get over this one. We've beaten Tyrone in Ulster a few times in the last few years. On Saturday at 6pm we had 4 possibilities:

1. Lose to Galway, let Kerry in, and go home
2. Draw with Galway and play Dublin in a SF
3. Beat Galway and play Donegal in a SF
4. Beat Galway and play Tyrone in a SF

Monaghan would take the second best option all day long.. Donegal would not have been simple either so I think Monaghan will see this as a great opportunity.


Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 06, 2018, 12:26:56 PM
I had predicted an easy enough win for us in Healy park but I was disappointed that it wasn't more emphatic. We finished that game pulling up at the finish but not with total confidence of a victory until the ref blew up. And that has been a lingering troubling  feature of some of our games. Deftly side stepping the bizarre Fermanagh game, I'd say we are back to our best, re tactics, mentality, fitness and much improved in every department  from that Healy park game. Even Rory Beggan has improved his game by 21%, Drew Wiley now resembles Drew Wiley, A previously ailing Colin Walshe as he finally showed against Galway is nearly there back to his best.  We lost a lot from our game  against Kerry by having to plant Vinny full time on Donaghy, against Galway Vinny was a free man roaming up and down, scoring and assisting. We need his experience all over the pitch, not just focused on one player.

Of course it remains to be seen what Tyrone will do to try and stifle our beautiful game, how we respond to that and how we manage to tot up our points tally, regardless, a 3 in a row surely beckons.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens Beggan if he misses his early free attempts. Every kicker has an off day, Beggan is due one ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2018, 12:45:53 PM
I had predicted an easy enough win for us in Healy park but I was disappointed that it wasn't more emphatic. We finished that game pulling up at the finish but not with total confidence of a victory until the ref blew up. And that has been a lingering troubling  feature of some of our games. Deftly side stepping the bizarre Fermanagh game, I'd say we are back to our best, re tactics, mentality, fitness and much improved in every department  from that Healy park game. Even Rory Beggan has improved his game by 21%, Drew Wiley now resembles Drew Wiley, A previously ailing Colin Walshe as he finally showed against Galway is nearly there back to his best.  We lost a lot from our game  against Kerry by having to plant Vinny full time on Donaghy, against Galway Vinny was a free man roaming up and down, scoring and assisting. We need his experience all over the pitch, not just focused on one player.

Of course it remains to be seen what Tyrone will do to try and stifle our beautiful game, how we respond to that and how we manage to tot up our points tally, regardless, a 3 in a row surely beckons.

Yeah, A three in a row beating of Monaghan when it counts at Croke Park after a meaningless loss earlier in the season would be very welcome. It must be playing on your minds!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2018, 12:51:53 PM
I had predicted an easy enough win for us in Healy park but I was disappointed that it wasn't more emphatic. We finished that game pulling up at the finish but not with total confidence of a victory until the ref blew up. And that has been a lingering troubling  feature of some of our games. Deftly side stepping the bizarre Fermanagh game, I'd say we are back to our best, re tactics, mentality, fitness and much improved in every department  from that Healy park game. Even Rory Beggan has improved his game by 21%, Drew Wiley now resembles Drew Wiley, A previously ailing Colin Walshe as he finally showed against Galway is nearly there back to his best.  We lost a lot from our game  against Kerry by having to plant Vinny full time on Donaghy, against Galway Vinny was a free man roaming up and down, scoring and assisting. We need his experience all over the pitch, not just focused on one player.

Of course it remains to be seen what Tyrone will do to try and stifle our beautiful game, how we respond to that and how we manage to tot up our points tally, regardless, a 3 in a row surely beckons.

Are you available for after dinner speeches??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: LeoMc on August 06, 2018, 12:55:33 PM
Not to mention the fact that Monaghan actually beat Tyrone on their home patch.

Tyrone actually have a poor record in semi finals since last their AI winning team. Tyrone might have been missing Brennan earlier in the championship but will he even be a starter next weekend, I doubt it. Cavanagh also did play in the Omagh defeat earlier in the championship. Revisionism at its best.

I will be absolutely astounded if Lee doesn't start on Sunday, surely he has to feature now. It's a huge game and huge occasion, the big question is will Mickey stick or twist with the team. If I was him I'd go for...

Morgan
McKernan
McNamee
R Brennan (I thought he was excellent when he came on)
McCann
Burns
Harte
Hampsey
Cavanagh
Donnelly
Sludden
McGeary
L Brennan
R Donnelly
Bradley

There are so many headaches (mainly in the forwards) but for this game i'd drop McShane and McAliskey for McGeary and Brennan. It's a really tough call but Conor has drifted out of form after a great start to the year, he's only scored two points from play in the super 8s and those free kick misses in the first half were very poor. He isn't winning as much ball out in front and I'd love to know how many assists he has had as I don't recall him being hugely effective in this area. This is very harsh, I understand, but big calls need to be made.

Cathal is another one that is extremely hard to drop but to fit Brennan in I think it's a direct toss up between himself and Ritchy. I just have a feeling (not sure if others agree or the stats bear it out) that he's been more effective winning ball and bringing others into play. It could easily be him dropping out for Brennan but i'd go with McShane personally. Very hesitantly, though.
Would you prefer a fresh Brennan and McGeary or a fresh McAliskey and McShane coming on for the last 20 minutes?
I am assuming O'Neill has dropped down the pecking order after his miss against Dublin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: illdecide on August 06, 2018, 01:44:43 PM
As an Armagh man (not yapping BTW) I would like to see Monaghan win as they haven't won an All Ireland in a long time but either way i won't care if Tyrone win but I will be cheering on the winner in the All Ireland final none the less. I do think Tyrone will win TBH, when Tyrone played Monaghan earlier in the season they didn't get the rub of the green and had 3-4 players on who were not match fit. That is not the case now and they may be just to to good come next week, either way it'll be a tight game and may the best team win
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 02:27:07 PM
Not to mention the fact that Monaghan actually beat Tyrone on their home patch.

Tyrone actually have a poor record in semi finals since last their AI winning team. Tyrone might have been missing Brennan earlier in the championship but will he even be a starter next weekend, I doubt it. Cavanagh also did play in the Omagh defeat earlier in the championship. Revisionism at its best.

I will be absolutely astounded if Lee doesn't start on Sunday, surely he has to feature now. It's a huge game and huge occasion, the big question is will Mickey stick or twist with the team. If I was him I'd go for...

Morgan
McKernan
McNamee
R Brennan (I thought he was excellent when he came on)
McCann
Burns
Harte
Hampsey
Cavanagh
Donnelly
Sludden
McGeary
L Brennan
R Donnelly
Bradley

There are so many headaches (mainly in the forwards) but for this game i'd drop McShane and McAliskey for McGeary and Brennan. It's a really tough call but Conor has drifted out of form after a great start to the year, he's only scored two points from play in the super 8s and those free kick misses in the first half were very poor. He isn't winning as much ball out in front and I'd love to know how many assists he has had as I don't recall him being hugely effective in this area. This is very harsh, I understand, but big calls need to be made.

Cathal is another one that is extremely hard to drop but to fit Brennan in I think it's a direct toss up between himself and Ritchy. I just have a feeling (not sure if others agree or the stats bear it out) that he's been more effective winning ball and bringing others into play. It could easily be him dropping out for Brennan but i'd go with McShane personally. Very hesitantly, though.
Would you prefer a fresh Brennan and McGeary or a fresh McAliskey and McShane coming on for the last 20 minutes?
I am assuming O'Neill has dropped down the pecking order after his miss against Dublin.

That's the big question, if I was the manager I'd start with Brennan and McGeary, however, I can see Mickey sticking with the tried and trusted. Obviously McGeary is likely to start for Meyler as he was in a bad way coming off but Brennan was always starting in league and even flared up the hamstring starting v Monaghan when he wasn't ready to come back. Baring lack of match fitness I'd still start him regardless of the impact he has coming on for last 25mins.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: clarshack on August 06, 2018, 02:31:00 PM
I'm more confident of Tyrone winning this than I was for the Donegal game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 02:34:32 PM
Tickets now on public sale for this, only lower decks available. Wonder will they open the top tier? What's the capacity of the lower tiers plus the hill? I'd imagine that'd be more than enough to meet demand.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 06, 2018, 02:40:30 PM
Everything went right for Monaghan in Omagh in May, everything. They were scoring ridiculous points from every angle they wouldn't any other day and this coupled with us losing 2 key forwards early on meant it was always an uphill struggle. Even with this in their favour they never pulled away until near the end.

We are a far better fitter outfit since then. As they said on the Sunday game last night, our bench has contributed 8 points per game which is an incredible card to play. I fully expect Tyrones conditioning to see them through.
We really really need to watch giving away frees though in scorable positions. (Anything past their own 45 with Beggans ability  ::) ) Do a number on McManus like we did on Murphy yesterday and we're grand.

It's amazing the excuses you lot can come up with. Everything went right for us and everything went wrong for yous, wasn't that awful unfortunate. Seems like a formality this weekend now that your horrid luck is gone  ::)
I remember thinking the score flattered us and I had no complaints. However, I also think weíve improved.  Really looking fwd to it as it should be pretty evenly matched.

Yeah I'd agree with that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 06, 2018, 02:45:59 PM
I'm more confident of a win here than I was in the 1st round of Ulster or indeed against Donegal (I thought they'd win, but thought it would be closer). But the more I see of Tyrone the better they seem to get. Tyrone by 5 or 6.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: cjx on August 06, 2018, 02:53:38 PM
Everything went right for Monaghan in Omagh in May, everything. They were scoring ridiculous points from every angle they wouldn't any other day and this coupled with us losing 2 key forwards early on meant it was always an uphill struggle. Even with this in their favour they never pulled away until near the end.

We are a far better fitter outfit since then. As they said on the Sunday game last night, our bench has contributed 8 points per game which is an incredible card to play. I fully expect Tyrones conditioning to see them through.
We really really need to watch giving away frees though in scorable positions. (Anything past their own 45 with Beggans ability  ::) ) Do a number on McManus like we did on Murphy yesterday and we're grand.
Agree 100%
I wonder could Hampsay be brought back to help tag McManus, Meyler take O'Connell and leave Sludden in centre where he is comfortable ( I think Harte overreacted to Owen Ban's presence yesterday) With the 3 men now physically & match fit Tyrone have advantage also learning and getting better each day but Monaghan a serious & confident challenge. Great game in prospect As for   Dublin just makes me wonder if a cute hard Galbally man did not put too much pressure on to win in Salthill ( better get Dubs in semi and an Ulster team in final from Galway perspective but mebbe that's too fanciful(?) Morgan v Beggan interesting! Beggan best in Country but could inspire Morgan who held his nerve well up in the pit of hell yesterday. As to the pitch Tyrone could play it side to side and win I smell a 2008 coning on! Rem Conor and Ricey outpdcychinh Keery when Tyrone went 2 down 'Now we have them' 😈👺
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 06, 2018, 03:52:12 PM
Richard Donnelly and McAliskey would have to go before McShane.  I actually think McShane has done really well this season and seems to have a hand in a lot of scores. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Therealdonald on August 06, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Looking back at the weekend. Either Harte drops all 3 in the full forward line or he drops none. I hope to God, that Lee Brennan starts in place of McShane but thats just a personal choice. This will be some humdinger of a game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 06, 2018, 04:25:18 PM
McShane doesn't have the work rate or skill for the role. If he had either he be ok, but for me, he doesn't do enough. Missed a great goal chance as well. Loughran for example got one chance and he took it. Them's the margins at this level.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 04:31:34 PM
McShane doesn't have the work rate or skill for the role. If he had either he be ok, but for me, he doesn't do enough. Missed a great goal chance as well. Loughran for example got one chance and he took it. Them's the margins at this level.

To be fair McShane's chance was very difficult. He had a half volley with a defender putting on serious pressure from behind, although I thought his soccer pedigree would have made a difference! Furthermore, Lee Brennan had the easiest goal chance of all and skied it over the bar!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on August 06, 2018, 04:33:35 PM
Will Monaghan have their usual Croke Park melt down?

Like we did this year already?

Wasnít the same circumstances was it? So I will ask again, will you avoid your usual meltdown in Croke Park. FWIW I hope you do
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 06, 2018, 04:37:43 PM
Dick Clerkin pens an article of some interest from Killarney, post Kerry championship exit,  on part of the challenge that Monaghan need to address
Monaghan must get ready to deal with Tyrone cynicism (http://"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/monaghan-must-get-ready-to-deal-with-tyrone-cynicism-37187397.html") in order to earn our first real championship contender stripe of the year.

Perhaps from a neutral's perspective, Dick is slightly blinkered in this matter, but most everybody would have to admit that Dick would be a very knowledgeable chap on matters of the dark arts.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 06, 2018, 05:59:50 PM
Will Monaghan have their usual Croke Park melt down?

Like we did this year already?

Wasnít the same circumstances was it? So I will ask again, will you avoid your usual meltdown in Croke Park. FWIW I hope you do

Well we're not playing Dublin so I would hope we would avoid it yeah. The two quarter finals against them are the only times you could really say we had a "meltdown". The defeats to Tyrone, disappointing though they were, weren't in the same category at all. Sure they had their own meltdown against Dublin last year too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 06, 2018, 06:05:48 PM
I left the Dublin game in Omagh thinking Tyrone were at least 2 scoring forwards short of being serious AI challengers. Brennan might be one but I don't see another. Monaghan obviously have Mcmanus but they also have better options around him if tyrone do manage to wrap him up. Monaghan also have the 1/4 final monkey off their back and the so called croker park monkey having won there twice this year. Its a golden opportunity for them to reach a final and I expect them to take it. Monaghan by 4
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 06, 2018, 07:08:56 PM
Richard Donnelly and McAliskey would have to go before McShane.  I actually think McShane has done really well this season and seems to have a hand in a lot of scores.

Donnelly and mcaliskey were v poor on sunday but have had good seasons. Mcgeary is the one player who has to start, he was sensational when he came on.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 06, 2018, 07:45:16 PM
Can see Harte starting the same side again.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on August 06, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
Will Monaghan have their usual Croke Park melt down?

Like we did this year already?

Wasnít the same circumstances was it? So I will ask again, will you avoid your usual meltdown in Croke Park. FWIW I hope you do

Well we're not playing Dublin so I would hope we would avoid it yeah. The two quarter finals against them are the only times you could really say we had a "meltdown". The defeats to Tyrone, disappointing though they were, weren't in the same category at all. Sure they had their own meltdown against Dublin last year too.

Would you ccall losing to Dublin a meltdown? Like I said, I hope you overcome whatever hoodoo Tyrone have over you in Croke Park but I canít see it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 06, 2018, 08:27:48 PM
I think Skeet has enough in the Bank from the earlier rounds to keep him in the team for Monaghan..
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 06, 2018, 08:56:28 PM
I think Skeet has enough in the Bank from the earlier rounds to keep him in the team for Monaghan..

He probably does and it wouldnt be Harte's style to drop him like that plus he had a good day out in Omagh,  but.... the thing is he is confidence player and he's on a low ebb at the moment. Tho dropping him would shatter the confidence altogether.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 06, 2018, 09:00:38 PM
Can see Harte starting the same side again.

What about Meyler? He didn't look like a man who'd be ready for a game in six days coming off in Ballybofey.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 06, 2018, 09:23:20 PM
Can see Harte starting the same side again.

What about Meyler? He didn't look like a man who'd be ready for a game in six days coming off in Ballybofey.

Any word today on him?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 06, 2018, 10:22:11 PM
I think Skeet has enough in the Bank from the earlier rounds to keep him in the team for Monaghan..

He probably does and it wouldnt be Harte's style to drop him like that plus he had a good day out in Omagh,  but.... the thing is he is confidence player and he's on a low ebb at the moment. Tho dropping him would shatter the confidence altogether.

Agreed 100%. It's such a pity him and Ronan O'Neill are so streaky because on their day both are class forwards but they both can miss the simplest of chances when they're not on form and that's what happened to Skeet after missing the first free. I'd never have let him take the second one.

Really looking forward to this game. it should be another titanic battle with 2/3 points of a difference with a few minutes to go. There's arguments for both teams to be favourites. Monaghan have beat Tyrone twice this year but we've beat them the three times we've played them in Croke Park. This is Monaghan's first semi-final in decades but Tyrone have lost the last 5 semi's we've been in. Monaghan have one of the best forwards in the game but Tyrone have racked up scores from all over the pitch.

I'd be less confident here than I was against Donegal. Probably would bet on Tyrone winning narrowly with some big controversy thrown in if I had to but very little between these sides.

Whoever wins I'll be shouting for in September anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: WT4E on August 06, 2018, 10:22:47 PM
Is it Saturday or Sunday that Monaghan are scheduled for their regular Croke Park shatting???? They really enjoyed saying cheerio to the Tyrone wans in Omagh but theres very little county silverware given out in Healy Park!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 06, 2018, 10:27:36 PM
I say ol' chap, Tyrone are a wonderful team, Collie is an amazing leader of men, I have always admired Tyrone. Mickey H is pure genius, Tyrone fans are the best - at least 99% of them.

Tyrone retort "what do you mean only 99%? you fcking troll"
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 06, 2018, 11:19:56 PM
I say ol' chap, Tyrone are a wonderful team, Collie is an amazing leader of men, I have always admired Tyrone. Mickey H is pure genius, Tyrone fans are the best - at least 99% of them.

Tyrone retort "what do you mean only 99%? you fcking troll"

I suspected youíd have a meltdown before this game. I didnít think it would happen by Monday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redhandefender on August 07, 2018, 08:03:16 AM
I wouldn't change too much. I'd start Brennan for the frees. We were by far the better team 1st half v Donegal only for errors. Mc Shane works his add off but it's clear now he is never going to lose this hit and miss way of playing he has. Moment of sublime to the moment of madness
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 07, 2018, 09:11:46 AM
Don't know much about Skeet personally. but always struck me as a confidence player. I'd say if he gets his chance on Sunday he'll reward Mickey with a worthy performance. On his day he's a serious baller.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trileacman on August 07, 2018, 09:29:32 AM
There were several posters calmouring for Colm Cav to be dropped after the Dublin game and many expressed the opinion that he was done. Look how that turned out. Likewise I cold trawl through the posts and pick out a few examples of posters saying Matty wasnít putting in a big enough shift.I wouldnít be dropping McShane, skeet or Richie  yet.

Mc Shane got a bit of a run around in defence yesterday obviously not a role that suits him greatly but he did get himself in scoring positions for the goal and his point. Had he connected right with that Brennan cross heíd be hero of the hour and thereíd be no talk of dropping him. Slim margins. Heís played a lot of 70 min games this year and like Burns he could be reaching mental and physical burnout. Still Iíd be slow to say ďsame old CathalĒ. He was one of our top 3 early championship performers and has definitely eradicated the majority of those errors that were once married to his game. May just need a rest to get himself back to his best.

Skeet- Jesus your awful sore on him for those frees. He missed a 45-yarder on the right that needed to be taken by a left footer, then a 45, then a difficult enough one on the right that was still the guts of 45m out. I never remember a time when we could count on those being scores, Canavan would have been going well to get 1 out of those 3. Ffs the great 08 team used to trundle joe Mc Mahon up from full back to take 45s such was the dearth of forwards fit to hit them. Since the 08 side Sean cav was equally inconsistent from distance. Murphy missed 2 easier kicks for a supposed long distance expert so I canít see how literally a couple of missed frees put Skeet into a ďconfidence crisisĒ.

We actually need Skeet to play if weíre playing Brennan  as Sodís law will dictate if we drop him all weíll win will be difficult left sided frees that suit a right booter. Standing Brennan over those frees wood put him under immense scrutiny from early in the game. Bar those chances Skeet did f**k all wrong, canít remneber him hitting a wide from play or wasting a possession all game. He wasnít as bad as people are making out and this ďconfidence crisisĒ stuff that brolly cape out with is complete bull shit.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 07, 2018, 09:50:37 AM
Fair enough point regarding the breakdown of Conor's performance. Whilst the later frees were tricky I'm almost certain either the first or second free kick was only a matter of metres outside the semi circle. Didn't it drop short as well? That ramps up the pressure hugely for the rest of the game from frees when we should be in a position to clip them over and keep the scoreboard ticking over. I'm no defender but if I knew a free kick taker was having a dodgy game you'd be far more confident to go into tackles harder knowing that you're almost certain not to get punished 80%> of the time.

This is not a McAliskey specific point btw, as it has been an enduring problem for us. As redhanddefender states above it only strengthens the case to have Lee in from the start, imo.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Onthe40 on August 07, 2018, 10:22:24 AM
Any word on Meylers injury?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tyrone08 on August 07, 2018, 11:17:52 AM
Mickey is in a difficult position regarding the forwards. Does he start Lee or hold him off until later in the game, this is the big question. Against Monaghan Tyrone canít afford to waste frees, this will be the winning or losing of the game.  Only scenarios as I see it are-

1) Start Mark and Conor as per the Donegal game. If they start scoring early well and good, keep Lee off until 2nd half.

2) Start Mark and Conor as per the Donegal game. If they are not preforming and are missing frees then bring Lee on early, say around the 25 min mark. The danger with this is that if we have missed 3-4 frees by then as per the Donegal game the heads will drop and will give Monaghan a massive boost. If Monaghan get a couple of points lead then Tyrone are in trouble as they would easily surrender it as other teams have.

2) Start Lee and leave either Mark or Conor on the bench. The danger with this is if Lee gets injured or is marked out of it you are then relying on Mark or Conor to come off the bench and change the game. I donít think Conor is that type of player but Mark may potentially be.

I would start Mark and Conor again and bring Lee on early in the first half only if needed. Its important that Mark and Conor run the Monaghan defence around Croke Park as much as possible. Then I would then bring Lee on in the 2nd half and let him torment the Monaghan defence when they are a bit tired.

I think there will only be a few points in it so as I said frees are vital and unfortunately for Tyrone, Monaghan have 2 of the best free takers out there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 07, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
On form, Bradley and Brennan should start ahead of Donnelly and McAliskey. Although Donnelly seems to other a more traditional option in at ff.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 07, 2018, 12:44:24 PM
The more I think about it the more I think we'll see Lee starting on Sunday. I just don't think we can afford to leave kickable free kicks behind.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 07, 2018, 01:00:13 PM
Personally I'm on the side of keeping lee back until the game is in the melting pot, or sooner if monaghan start to pull away.
Yes this leaves us exposed with frees but this week should be used to boost skeets confidence as much as possible as he really needs to be on point on Sunday. Failing that Morgan is another option.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 07, 2018, 02:13:49 PM
Agreed. Lee doesn't look ready for sixty minutes yet. Tbh if we want Morgan to hit frees then let him hit everything but the 21 yard tap overs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 07, 2018, 02:26:20 PM
Agreed. Lee doesn't look ready for sixty minutes yet. Tbh if we want Morgan to hit frees then let him hit everything but the 21 yard tap overs.

That's something I've always wondered, why wouldn't Morgan hit all frees from 35 yards plus? He only will hit ones outside the 45, but it's those ones out round the semi circle that we miss more than any other top teams that end up killing us. Think of the one RoN missed v Dublin or McAliskey's easy miss at the start of the Donegal match.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 07, 2018, 04:03:54 PM
Looks like Mickey will be sticking with roughly the same team on Sunday (barring Meyler not making it)...

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/08/07/news/substitutes-making-a-major-impact-for-tyrone-mickey-harte-1401299/
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 07, 2018, 04:13:29 PM
Anthony Nolan - Wicklow reffing
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: bigpackiechestout on August 07, 2018, 04:14:09 PM
Looks like Mickey will be sticking with roughly the same team on Sunday (barring Meyler not making it)...

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2018/08/07/news/substitutes-making-a-major-impact-for-tyrone-mickey-harte-1401299/

Yes I think this is most likely. McGeary is the obvious choice to come in for Meyler as well but i still think he will be held back since he's been so effective as a substitute. I think McClure might get the nod. Rory Brennan is another option but i think if he starts then it leaves us very light in terms of defensive options from the bench if someone gets injured or picks up an early black card.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 07, 2018, 04:24:09 PM
Anthony Nolan - Wicklow reffing

I'm not familiar with him. Any recent Tyrone games he's reffed?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: sambostar on August 07, 2018, 04:27:08 PM
Anthony Nolan - Wicklow reffing

I'm not familiar with him. Any recent Tyrone games he's reffed?
Me either, but can't be any worse than the last 2 refs Tyrone have had!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: sambostar on August 07, 2018, 04:29:50 PM
A non-fussy ref will suit Tyrone as Monaghan have 2 deadly free-takers in Beggan & McManus whereas Tyrone are much more hit-and-miss. So the less scorable frees in the game the better
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 07, 2018, 04:33:10 PM
That's an absolute fact. If we can tackle the way we did in the first half against Cavan we'll be fine regardless of the ref, but the Monaghan boys will be a bit harder to disposes and like ourselves they are well able to convince a ref of a foul when they take contact.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 07, 2018, 04:37:38 PM
Anthony Nolan - Wicklow reffing

I'm not familiar with him. Any recent Tyrone games he's reffed?

Only Tyrone game was in league vs Rossies last year

This year He reffed the Kildare Monaghan game in the Super 8's - Donegal/Down USFC and the National League Final earlier in the year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: GetOverTheBar on August 07, 2018, 05:20:01 PM
There were several posters calmouring for Colm Cav to be dropped after the Dublin game and many expressed the opinion that he was done. Look how that turned out. Likewise I cold trawl through the posts and pick out a few examples of posters saying Matty wasnít putting in a big enough shift.I wouldnít be dropping McShane, skeet or Richie  yet.

Mc Shane got a bit of a run around in defence yesterday obviously not a role that suits him greatly but he did get himself in scoring positions for the goal and his point. Had he connected right with that Brennan cross heíd be hero of the hour and thereíd be no talk of dropping him. Slim margins. Heís played a lot of 70 min games this year and like Burns he could be reaching mental and physical burnout. Still Iíd be slow to say ďsame old CathalĒ. He was one of our top 3 early championship performers and has definitely eradicated the majority of those errors that were once married to his game. May just need a rest to get himself back to his best.

Skeet- Jesus your awful sore on him for those frees. He missed a 45-yarder on the right that needed to be taken by a left footer, then a 45, then a difficult enough one on the right that was still the guts of 45m out. I never remember a time when we could count on those being scores, Canavan would have been going well to get 1 out of those 3. Ffs the great 08 team used to trundle joe Mc Mahon up from full back to take 45s such was the dearth of forwards fit to hit them. Since the 08 side Sean cav was equally inconsistent from distance. Murphy missed 2 easier kicks for a supposed long distance expert so I canít see how literally a couple of missed frees put Skeet into a ďconfidence crisisĒ.

We actually need Skeet to play if weíre playing Brennan  as Sodís law will dictate if we drop him all weíll win will be difficult left sided frees that suit a right booter. Standing Brennan over those frees wood put him under immense scrutiny from early in the game. Bar those chances Skeet did f**k all wrong, canít remneber him hitting a wide from play or wasting a possession all game. He wasnít as bad as people are making out and this ďconfidence crisisĒ stuff that brolly cape out with is complete bull shit.

He was poor against Dublin and indeed Tyrone looked a better team when he went off. He played well against Donegal but that is not the same level of competition nor near it as I'm sure you'll agree.

I've nothing against Cavanagh but the top teams are beginning to actually target him. Tyrone have two top teams to play yet (all going well).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 07, 2018, 06:16:42 PM
Is Jack McCarron fit?
Will he start?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 07, 2018, 07:09:39 PM
Iím not a gambler but the 13/8 that the bookmakers are offering on Monaghan to beat Tyrone is ultra generous. On all known form this season Monaghan have proven to be a better side than Tyrone. If you think about it logically they are the only side to have beaten Dublin (in Croke Park) and if you take the Fermanagh match as an aberration then they deserve to be clear favorites. They beat Tyrone twice, the latest being a more comfortable championship victory in Omagh than the score line suggests. They have 2 of the best players in Ireland in Beggan and McManus which Tyrone simply do not have (granted Harte and Donnelly are close on their day).

Any Monaghan player listening to Sean Cavanaghs slightly patronising comments about over celebrating on the Sunday Game would surely have found some extra motivation if it was needed. As far as I could see, Tyrone have been glowing in the aftermath of their Donegal win every bit as much as Monaghan in their defeat of Galway. The fans are allowed to get carried away and Monaghan are an experienced outfit with plenty of seasoned individuals, probably more than Tyrone.

I expect it to be a close contest but I think the bookies have got this one wrong.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: giveballaghback on August 07, 2018, 07:11:04 PM
Nolan a terrible ref, gives soft frees all the time, any hand on the shoulder is a free and maybe even a black card if he takes the notion.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 07, 2018, 07:33:03 PM
I was at the league finals and I don't remember his performance which is usually a good sign but hearing he's fussy is very bad for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Over the Bar on August 07, 2018, 11:27:53 PM
Anthony Nolan - Wicklow reffing

I'm not familiar with him. Any recent Tyrone games he's reffed?

Does he get a brown envelope like Dublin Joe to ref behind closed doors games to help the Dubs to cheat within the rules?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 08, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
Team talk reporting that Meyler was on crutches last night at training. No way he plays on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: skeog on August 08, 2018, 08:03:06 AM
Dont rule him out made of steel.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 08, 2018, 08:21:23 AM
Team talk reporting that Meyler was on crutches last night at training. No way he plays on Sunday.
Mcgeary in for him is the obvious change then.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Under Lights on August 08, 2018, 08:23:48 AM
Team talk reporting that Meyler was on crutches last night at training. No way he plays on Sunday.
Mcgeary in for him is the obvious change then.

Problem is mcgeary has given team such a lift this last few games I'd nearly keep him back. Rory Brennan done himself no harm for a start on Sunday, would mean Peter or someone pushing forward.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trileacman on August 08, 2018, 09:02:45 AM
Team talk reporting that Meyler was on crutches last night at training. No way he plays on Sunday.
Mcgeary in for him is the obvious change then.

Problem is mcgeary has given team such a lift this last few games I'd nearly keep him back. Rory Brennan done himself no harm for a start on Sunday, would mean Peter or someone pushing forward.

Meyler fully fit is the natural foil for Karl o Connell. Weíre at a conundrum now as to who picks him up now. Heís a huge loss.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Unlaoised on August 08, 2018, 11:25:11 AM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2018, 11:54:05 AM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.


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Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 08, 2018, 12:06:45 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

That's simply not true. Against Kerry they kicked the ball plenty because Kerry went man for man in the back and left half of Clones free for their forwards to work in. Against Galway Monaghan hardly kicked it in at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 08, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
Tickets must be selling well. Upper Hogan and Cusack now available to purchase online. I seriously hope my order with the club is lower tier and we're not sent up to the clouds.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2018, 12:14:35 PM
Tickets must be selling well. Upper Hogan and Cusack now available to purchase online. I seriously hope my order with the club is lower tier and we're not sent up to the clouds.

I checked yesterday out of curiosity and I was customer number 10000 and something. Assuming each person buys an average of 2 tickets that's 20k tickets gone through the website alone as of yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tyrone08 on August 08, 2018, 12:59:00 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 01:33:19 PM
Don't rise. This thread has been a breath of fresh air after the last few and it would be nice to keep it that way. The monaghan lads are holding their council this week on here.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Boycey on August 08, 2018, 01:56:58 PM
Tickets must be selling well. Upper Hogan and Cusack now available to purchase online. I seriously hope my order with the club is lower tier and we're not sent up to the clouds.

I checked yesterday out of curiosity and I was customer number 10000 and something. Assuming each person buys an average of 2 tickets that's 20k tickets gone through the website alone as of yesterday.

A fair few were probably checking like yourself, I've looked 2/3 times too. I'd imagine online sales thus far be less than half of your estimate, probably looking at a crowd of 50/60k??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: WT4E on August 08, 2018, 01:59:06 PM
The monaghan squad looks stronger this year than it has in a number of years.

Agreed looked a lot more rounded than Tyrone on Sunday but if they where to lose out on a semi with Tyrone in their Super 8 group and Tyrone made it it would be a huge kick in the balls to the squad again. Interesting times ahead.

Remember saying this in the 1st Round thread.... Feel Tyrone will take them this time round and this will be a big set back for Monaghan. we meet again - thankfully not in Omagh as Tyrone are shit there! :D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 08, 2018, 02:07:34 PM
Reminds me of 2007 when all the Monaghan fans got ahead of themselves.  Tyrone are stronger than they were in the 1st round of Ulster and play better away from Omagh.  Monaghan have done well this year but choked against Kerry and lost to Fermanagh. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: rosnarun on August 08, 2018, 02:13:34 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2018, 02:19:16 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

List for me examples of these "antics" and how they any different from other counties.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 08, 2018, 02:36:17 PM
Tyrone v The 31.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tyrone08 on August 08, 2018, 02:37:53 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

I am not defending Tyrone I am simply stating facts such as the 2nd highest all times scores. Perhaps if you stated some facts as well it may help your case but I doubt you will.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redhandefender on August 08, 2018, 03:25:57 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

Dry your eyes ye clown! "Tyrone Antics" you sound like a Jacob Rees Mogg! Enjoy watching the big boys at the weekend, by rights you should be second tier after this year.

Your fans were always second tier
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 08, 2018, 04:13:52 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

When people think Tyrone are any worse than any of the other counties trying to win top honours it's clear they spend too much time listening to gobshites on RTE and not enough time actually watching football with a critical eye.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: WT4E on August 08, 2018, 04:40:39 PM
I take it Tyrone would be the first team to win an All Ireland having been beat twice in one season?..... IF they do it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: sekibanki on August 08, 2018, 04:48:27 PM
I take it Tyrone would be the first team to win an All Ireland having been beat twice in one season?..... IF they do it.
They'd have to beat both of the teams who previously beat them, too, which would be quite something...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2018, 05:12:17 PM
We're building a bit of a habit of semi-final defeats. 4 in a row now since beating Wexford in 2008?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 08, 2018, 05:47:56 PM
We're building a bit of a habit of semi-final defeats. 4 in a row now since beating Wexford in 2008?

Aye, bunch of chokers ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2018, 06:09:34 PM
We're building a bit of a habit of semi-final defeats. 4 in a row now since beating Wexford in 2008?

I wouldn't worry. Monaghan have lost their last 6!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 08, 2018, 06:40:25 PM
We're building a bit of a habit of semi-final defeats. 4 in a row now since beating Wexford in 2008?

I wouldn't worry. Monaghan have lost their last 6!

Its only their last 4 actually, we are all evens in that department!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 08, 2018, 06:41:25 PM
We're building a bit of a habit of semi-final defeats. 4 in a row now since beating Wexford in 2008?

I wouldn't worry. Monaghan have lost their last 6!

Its only their last 4 actually, we are all evens in that department!

I thought 1930 was their last final?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2018, 06:52:46 PM
Did O'Rourke play under Mickey at Errigal?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 08, 2018, 07:34:40 PM
Did O'Rourke play under Mickey at Errigal?

Probably, but I think he may have played with him too. Some of the Ballygawley men could confirm
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 08, 2018, 07:35:46 PM
We're building a bit of a habit of semi-final defeats. 4 in a row now since beating Wexford in 2008?

I wouldn't worry. Monaghan have lost their last 6!

Its only their last 4 actually, we are all evens in that department!

I thought 1930 was their last final?

Didnt make the semis for their last two Ulster wins ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 08, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
Monaghan's bench can't score, and our bench can't stop scoring -- that'll be the difference right there come Sunday. :)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: sensethetone on August 08, 2018, 07:57:17 PM
We're building a bit of a habit of semi-final defeats. 4 in a row now since beating Wexford in 2008?

I wouldn't worry. Monaghan have lost their last 6!
Have Monaghan ever beaten Tyrone then won their next match?

Its only their last 4 actually, we are all evens in that department!

I thought 1930 was their last final?

Didnt make the semis for their last two Ulster wins ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2018, 08:07:04 PM
Start McCrory on McManus.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: skeog on August 08, 2018, 09:07:54 PM
Art be better option.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 08, 2018, 09:27:27 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

List for me examples of these "antics" and how they any different from other counties.

Tyrone still dive way more than any other team. Other teams have individuals who dive, tyrone have it as a team tactic. Tyrone under harte also were the first team to introduce sledging as a tactic. Itís now a horrible part of football for a few teams but it thankfully hasnít crept into hurling.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 08, 2018, 09:29:43 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

List for me examples of these "antics" and how they any different from other counties.

Tyrone still dive way more than any other team. Other teams have individuals who dive, tyrone have it as a team tactic. Tyrone under harte also were the first team to introduce sledging as a tactic. Itís now a horrible part of football for a few teams but it thankfully hasnít crept into hurling.

Sledging started in 2003 - another quality Lennyism.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 08, 2018, 09:36:34 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

List for me examples of these "antics" and how they any different from other counties.

Tyrone still dive way more than any other team. Other teams have individuals who dive, tyrone have it as a team tactic. Tyrone under harte also were the first team to introduce sledging as a tactic. Itís now a horrible part of football for a few teams but it thankfully hasnít crept into hurling.

This is hardly news Lenny

The dark arts academy was sighted and exposed a few ago with a fly on the wall investigation by the antiTyrone brigade after Darren Hughes got himself sent off by pulling T McCanns hair
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 08, 2018, 09:48:05 PM
Slabbering on the pitch has been around long ago. Tyrone players dive no more or less than others.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 08, 2018, 09:50:32 PM
They are probably on a par now cavanagh is gone to be fair. Tiernan mccann still has the spectacular in him though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2018, 09:56:58 PM
Footballers do exaggerate injuries a lot. Didn't like what I saw on Sunday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2018, 09:59:04 PM
On another note, McQuillan made the correct call regarding McHugh and Cavanagh. McHugh offloaded the ball and shouldered right into Cavanagh's head. Colm threw his arms around McHugh. Could have been a black for both or none.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: rrhf on August 08, 2018, 10:04:39 PM
Fancy the auld draw here. Replay in clones.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 08, 2018, 10:06:22 PM
Fancy the auld draw here. Replay in clones.

No extra time at SF stage.

Is that right?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 08, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

List for me examples of these "antics" and how they any different from other counties.

Tyrone still dive way more than any other team. Other teams have individuals who dive, tyrone have it as a team tactic. Tyrone under harte also were the first team to introduce sledging as a tactic. Itís now a horrible part of football for a few teams but it thankfully hasnít crept into hurling.

Sledging started in 2003 - another quality Lennyism.

Read it again. I didnít say individual players hadnít sledged before. Just that no team had used it as a team tactic. Harte clearly brought it in and it was very effective for tyrone and put off players like gooch. Horrible for the game though overall now that other teams have copied it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 08, 2018, 10:19:59 PM
I think on a normal year I'd be going for tyrone to put monaghan in their place again in croker but this year there is something different about this Monaghan team.

Id say every neutral will be rooting for Monaghan Tyrone and their antics are hard to stomach.

Although both teams play defensive Monaghan tend to kick pass a lot more which is a little easier on the eye.

When people talk about Tyrone's antics and their defensive football it is a clear sign they haven't a clue. Please name one team in the top 6 that have not been involved in some type of cynical play? Tyrone, Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry, Mayo etc all have been at it. Saying Tyrone are worse than other teams really is laughable.

In the last 8 matches Tyrone have averaged 23 points a game. If this is defensive football then I hope it continues for a very long time. There is an article in Tyrone Life today which says that Tyrone are now the 2nd highest scores in All Ireland SFC. 8 games with a total of 182 points only Mayo in 2017 topped them (215 points in 10 games).

Please use facts and examples rather than the usual nonsense that RTE spout.

when people defend tyrone antics its clear they are from tyrone

List for me examples of these "antics" and how they any different from other counties.

Tyrone still dive way more than any other team. Other teams have individuals who dive, tyrone have it as a team tactic. Tyrone under harte also were the first team to introduce sledging as a tactic. Itís now a horrible part of football for a few teams but it thankfully hasnít crept into hurling.

Sledging started in 2003 - another quality Lennyism.

Read it again. I didnít say individual players hadnít sledged before. Just that no team had used it as a team tactic. Harte clearly brought it in and it was very effective for tyrone and put off players like gooch. Horrible for the game though overall now that other teams have copied it.

Funnily enough Lenny, I do actually enjoy your contributions. They never fail to make me laugh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Ball Hopper on August 08, 2018, 10:21:18 PM
Fancy the auld draw here. Replay in clones.

No extra time at SF stage.

Is that right?

Not correct...Extra time in all games bar provincial finals, All-Ireland final and round robin games.

So extra time in semi finals.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 08, 2018, 10:36:24 PM
It would perhaps be a little inaccurate to label Tyrone a team of Forrest Gumps, but they sure can run.
Judging by the level of paranoia, excuses, denials and boasts coming out of the Tyrone hoards here, I detect a real fear behind the keyboard mugs, they protest  too much,
it's desperate stuff altogether.
The latest straw grasped today (by Slob, or is it Fosb?) is that the Tyrone subs apparently score more than their Monaghan counterparts (as if that was some f'ck'n achievement and a big secret) and that's supposedly going to be the the crucial difference. I heard that very same utterance yesterday about the impact of the Tyrone subs on Wolly's podcast.  So what who scores the points,  it's the tally that counts. We don't need our subs to be running around like Usain Bolt trying to retrieve a 4 points deficit against a deadbeat team on their last legs, most probably we will just need some fresh legs and to keep pristine cool and confident over the last 15 minutes in order to maintain our 5 or 6 point lead.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2018, 10:43:15 PM
I am torn. I sorta want Monaghan to taste an All Ireland final in recent times. They are a big honest side. Like a team of Francie Bellews. Clumsy and simple but honest. Their fans are the same. The last time we played them in a QF they went mad about Hit the Diff and I knew they were bate. It was very loveable. For that reason I'm fairly calm about Sunday. It'd be like losing to your mad cousin for a laugh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 08, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Conor McManus  wins player of the month award, namely the PwC GAA/GPA Player of the Month award for performances in July.

"McManus has led Monaghan to an All-Ireland Football Championship semi-final following exceptional performances against Kildare, Laois and Kerry"

Not quite  accurate as he had only led them in July  to the crunch game v Galway, but hey I won't quibble over a minor discrepancy.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: gaafan2 on August 08, 2018, 11:16:42 PM
It would perhaps be a little inaccurate to label Tyrone a team of Forrest Gumps, but they sure can run.
Judging by the level of paranoia, excuses, denials and boasts coming out of the Tyrone hoards here, I detect a real fear behind the keyboard mugs, they protest  too much,
it's desperate stuff altogether.
The latest straw grasped today (by Slob, or is it Fosb?) is that the Tyrone subs apparently score more than their Monaghan counterparts (as if that was some f'ck'n achievement and a big secret) and that's supposedly going to be the the crucial difference. I heard that very same utterance yesterday about the impact of the Tyrone subs on Wolly's podcast.  So what who scores the points,  it's the tally that counts. We don't need our subs to be running around like Usain Bolt trying to retrieve a 4 points deficit against a deadbeat team on their last legs, most probably we will just need some fresh legs and to keep pristine cool and confident over the last 15 minutes in order to maintain our 5 or 6 point lead.

Iím sorry to disappoint you Main Street but no Tyrone team or Tyrone fan would ever fear Monaghan. Dublin, Kerry and Mayo to a certain extent yes, but definitely not Monaghan!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 08, 2018, 11:22:53 PM
Conceded a goal just before half time v Monaghan and Donegal.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 08, 2018, 11:25:19 PM
It would perhaps be a little inaccurate to label Tyrone a team of Forrest Gumps, but they sure can run.
Judging by the level of paranoia, excuses, denials and boasts coming out of the Tyrone hoards here, I detect a real fear behind the keyboard mugs, they protest  too much,
it's desperate stuff altogether.
The latest straw grasped today (by Slob, or is it Fosb?) is that the Tyrone subs apparently score more than their Monaghan counterparts (as if that was some f'ck'n achievement and a big secret) and that's supposedly going to be the the crucial difference. I heard that very same utterance yesterday about the impact of the Tyrone subs on Wolly's podcast.  So what who scores the points,  it's the tally that counts. We don't need our subs to be running around like Usain Bolt trying to retrieve a 4 points deficit against a deadbeat team on their last legs, most probably we will just need some fresh legs and to keep pristine cool and confident over the last 15 minutes in order to maintain our 5 or 6 point lead.

Iím sorry to disappoint you Main Street but no Tyrone team or Tyrone fan would ever fear Monaghan. Dublin, Kerry and Mayo to a certain extent yes, but definitely not Monaghan!

Is that you Rafa Benitez?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 08, 2018, 11:28:14 PM
It would perhaps be a little inaccurate to label Tyrone a team of Forrest Gumps, but they sure can run.
Judging by the level of paranoia, excuses, denials and boasts coming out of the Tyrone hoards here, I detect a real fear behind the keyboard mugs, they protest  too much,
it's desperate stuff altogether.
The latest straw grasped today (by Slob, or is it Fosb?) is that the Tyrone subs apparently score more than their Monaghan counterparts (as if that was some f'ck'n achievement and a big secret) and that's supposedly going to be the the crucial difference. I heard that very same utterance yesterday about the impact of the Tyrone subs on Wolly's podcast.  So what who scores the points,  it's the tally that counts. We don't need our subs to be running around like Usain Bolt trying to retrieve a 4 points deficit against a deadbeat team on their last legs, most probably we will just need some fresh legs and to keep pristine cool and confident over the last 15 minutes in order to maintain our 5 or 6 point lead.

Iím sorry to disappoint you Main Street but no Tyrone team or Tyrone fan would ever fear Monaghan. Dublin, Kerry and Mayo to a certain extent yes, but definitely not Monaghan!

I'll be worried about the lack of Tyrone bunting on the way down it was such a nice wee touch, but I think this past few semis it was bringing us bad luck any way
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 08, 2018, 11:35:55 PM
Iím sorry to disappoint you Main Street but no Tyrone team or Tyrone fan would ever fear Monaghan. Dublin, Kerry and Mayo to a certain extent yes, but definitely not Monaghan!

Ah, don't burst his delusions -- it's all he'll have come Sunday evening, when he'll once again be gazing his navel to such a depth that he'll be right out the other end of his arse, once again.  And probably speaking just as much sense, from that end! ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: WT4E on August 09, 2018, 09:17:24 AM
Monaghan haven't got the stones for Croker - I'm lumping on Tyrone at -2 or -3 haven't decided yet.

T McCann to ruffle D Hughes hair and not to get sent off!!!!!

I think the level progression is much better in Tyrone side than in the Monaghan lads. I think Tyrone are playing at a much improved level compared to the first round whereas Monaghan have been good but simply retained that level throughout.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 09, 2018, 10:06:26 AM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: maddog on August 09, 2018, 10:14:20 AM
2005 still hurting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY)

Probably is.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 09, 2018, 10:15:27 AM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

Putting pressure on the ref? Come off it. If you think that referee's at this level read newspaper articles and heed their words of warning, least of all a Wicklow referee reading an Ulster newspaper then you need to catch yourself on. He is simply calling it as he see's it and which is actually a common opinion, nothing to do with 2005.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 09, 2018, 10:56:37 AM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

Putting pressure on the ref? Come off it. If you think that referee's at this level read newspaper articles and heed their words of warning, least of all a Wicklow referee reading an Ulster newspaper then you need to catch yourself on. He is simply calling it as he see's it and which is actually a common opinion, nothing to do with 2005.

"Don't give Tyrone frees" is a common opinion?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 09, 2018, 11:15:50 AM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

Putting pressure on the ref? Come off it. If you think that referee's at this level read newspaper articles and heed their words of warning, least of all a Wicklow referee reading an Ulster newspaper then you need to catch yourself on. He is simply calling it as he see's it and which is actually a common opinion, nothing to do with 2005.

"Don't give Tyrone frees" is a common opinion?

Donít give Tyrone frees when theyíve obviously dived is a more common opinion.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2018, 11:41:38 AM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

Putting pressure on the ref? Come off it. If you think that referee's at this level read newspaper articles and heed their words of warning, least of all a Wicklow referee reading an Ulster newspaper then you need to catch yourself on. He is simply calling it as he see's it and which is actually a common opinion, nothing to do with 2005.

"Don't give Tyrone frees" is a common opinion?

Donít give Tyrone frees when theyíve obviously dived is a more common opinion.

Is this for just Tyrone or all teams? Blinkered lennyism again.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 09, 2018, 11:48:00 AM
2005 still hurting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFCW1QeUcY)

Probably is.

Michael Collins had some game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 09, 2018, 12:05:06 PM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

Putting pressure on the ref? Come off it. If you think that referee's at this level read newspaper articles and heed their words of warning, least of all a Wicklow referee reading an Ulster newspaper then you need to catch yourself on. He is simply calling it as he see's it and which is actually a common opinion, nothing to do with 2005.

"Don't give Tyrone frees" is a common opinion?

Donít give Tyrone frees when theyíve obviously dived is a more common opinion.

Is this for just Tyrone or all teams? Blinkered lennyism again.

Itís the Tyrone fans whoíre blinkered. They canít see that itís their team who dive the most. Other teams have players who dive but Tyrone do so well as a team that it has to be coached. Harte has always used and encouraged it in his reign. Retrospective punishment for divers would be a massive plus for football. One of the reasons hurling is better to watch is thereís no diving or sledging and the players respect each other.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 09, 2018, 01:07:20 PM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

Putting pressure on the ref? Come off it. If you think that referee's at this level read newspaper articles and heed their words of warning, least of all a Wicklow referee reading an Ulster newspaper then you need to catch yourself on. He is simply calling it as he see's it and which is actually a common opinion, nothing to do with 2005.

"Don't give Tyrone frees" is a common opinion?

Donít give Tyrone frees when theyíve obviously dived is a more common opinion.

Is this for just Tyrone or all teams? Blinkered lennyism again.

Itís the Tyrone fans whoíre blinkered. They canít see that itís their team who dive the most. Other teams have players who dive but Tyrone do so well as a team that it has to be coached. Harte has always used and encouraged it in his reign. Retrospective punishment for divers would be a massive plus for football. One of the reasons hurling is better to watch is thereís no diving or sledging and the players respect each other.

Have you any stats or evidence to back up your silly claims?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 09, 2018, 01:10:25 PM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

Putting pressure on the ref? Come off it. If you think that referee's at this level read newspaper articles and heed their words of warning, least of all a Wicklow referee reading an Ulster newspaper then you need to catch yourself on. He is simply calling it as he see's it and which is actually a common opinion, nothing to do with 2005.

"Don't give Tyrone frees" is a common opinion?

Donít give Tyrone frees when theyíve obviously dived is a more common opinion.

Is this for just Tyrone or all teams? Blinkered lennyism again.

Itís the Tyrone fans whoíre blinkered. They canít see that itís their team who dive the most. Other teams have players who dive but Tyrone do so well as a team that it has to be coached. Harte has always used and encouraged it in his reign. Retrospective punishment for divers would be a massive plus for football. One of the reasons hurling is better to watch is thereís no diving or sledging and the players respect each other.

Again, please provide evidence of this or GTFO. You have nothing to back up your ridiculously biased claim. Nothing

I pity Derry fans at the minute, knowing they have 6 months of nothing before another spring of struggling with the basement teams of Gaelic football.

Tell me, does it hurt to see Tyrone remain a top team for so long?? Do you ever pine for the glory days of the 90s were you could come within 15 points of us??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2018, 01:41:21 PM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

Putting pressure on the ref? Come off it. If you think that referee's at this level read newspaper articles and heed their words of warning, least of all a Wicklow referee reading an Ulster newspaper then you need to catch yourself on. He is simply calling it as he see's it and which is actually a common opinion, nothing to do with 2005.

"Don't give Tyrone frees" is a common opinion?

Donít give Tyrone frees when theyíve obviously dived is a more common opinion.

Is this for just Tyrone or all teams? Blinkered lennyism again.

Itís the Tyrone fans whoíre blinkered. They canít see that itís their team who dive the most. Other teams have players who dive but Tyrone do so well as a team that it has to be coached. Harte has always used and encouraged it in his reign. Retrospective punishment for divers would be a massive plus for football. One of the reasons hurling is better to watch is thereís no diving or sledging and the players respect each other.

Aye Lenny, but of course Tyrone people will be in some way blinkered when it comes to defending their own team. If you were defending Derry then Iíd understand as your illogical points would be offset by your county loyalties. But itís your weird little infatuation with Tyrone that entertains me.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: giveballaghback on August 09, 2018, 01:48:53 PM
The fine art of sledging, just read this thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jeremiah O on August 09, 2018, 02:03:48 PM
Lenny you must be very young.
To be fair to our beloved neighbours not only did they win the Sam before us,they were also giving out diving and sledging lessons around that time.Seamus Downey and wee Johnny were 2 of the best around.Fergal P another boy who was good at the slabbering.
And who could forget the jaw breakers Barton and McKeever??
So next time youíre giving out about Tyrone you would do well to cast your mind back to your own Ďtrendsettersí of the early 90ís.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: The Trap on August 09, 2018, 02:38:53 PM
Seamus Downey still good at it going by a video I saw recently  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 09, 2018, 03:18:19 PM
Lenny you must be very young.
To be fair to our beloved neighbours not only did they win the Sam before us,they were also giving out diving and sledging lessons around that time.Seamus Downey and wee Johnny were 2 of the best around.Fergal P another boy who was good at the slabbering.
And who could forget the jaw breakers Barton and McKeever??
So next time youíre giving out about Tyrone you would do well to cast your mind back to your own Ďtrendsettersí of the early 90ís.

Boys, youíre all completely biased and blinkered and are burying your heads in the sand while people like harte destroy football. In the 80s and 90s the football was fantastic and was incredibly entertaining. It was manly with all teams playing hard but generally fair and there was respect among players. Nowadays there is no respect. Tyrone arenít the only guilty parties, Iíve said that before to be fair. However I blame harte for bringing in the cynicism as a team tactic. Previously teams had the odd dirty player and managers turned a blind eye if the player was good enough. Harte brought in diving and sledging as tactics in my opinion. I believe that because almost all the team were at it and itís still the case especially with the diving. Donnelly, mccann, sludden etc all go down far too easily. Mccann got tackled in the chest v donegal, threw his head back and got langan booked. Mccann got treatment for 2 minutes and got up holding and rubbing his neck. He hadnít even been touched there, it was pathetic and shows heís learned nothing from hairgate. I said at the time he would learn nothing also because tyrone people were accepting of that dive, the worst in football history.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 09, 2018, 03:37:27 PM
Tyrone fans are being very precious about being labelled cynical in the run up to Sunday's match. I also never seen a set of supporters as pre occupied with who is the referee. It is just in their mentality to push the boundaries of the rules to the limit of what they think they can get away with instead of simply playing the game on it's own merits.


"There will be no quarter asked or given between these two rivals, but I had to laugh when I read Dick Clerkin warning Monaghan to be aware of Tyroneís cynical play. Itís pretty ironic coming from a man who was well-known for his cynical acts!"

The above comments on their own are fair enough given Dick Clerkin's cynicism but the fact that Philip Jordan made them is fairly ironic given his own history.     
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trileacman on August 09, 2018, 03:43:27 PM
I wonder will the managers put any stock in the Healy game. I was very positive after the Monaghan defeat that day  as I thought weíd done a lot of things right. Weíd McManus in our arse pocket for 65 mins until he pulled two rabbits from a hat, Skeet had a tremendous game and burnt Drew Wylie, the Hughes lumbered about to no great effect and Bradley was flying until his injury. The goal was a big blow like it was in Ballybofey but we recovered and drew the game level with 5 to play. We looked to have Monaghan on the ropes until McManus started putting them over from the stands.

Where I felt Monaghan won that game that day was

1-Jack Mc Carron was a constant thorn in our side, won ball all match, cathal Mc Carron had to be subbed off him and McKernan had to be sent in to try and shut him down. He was subbed subsequently for McCarthy and I thought ďf**k this is the lad who won the sigerson for UCDĒ but he was actually fairly shite in the last 15 mins. Itís interestng now that Conor Mac carthy has leap-frogged McCarron, not something Iíd have envisioned but obviously performances in qualifiers has corrected their placing in the squad.

2- Bradley went off and RON came on and was invisible, we played with 14 and 1/2 players for 40 odd minutes. Not solely RONs fault as the outfield players never put the ball into him, keeping trust in the possession game rather than risk driving it in to RON whoís a poor ball winner. The wrong man at the wrong time just unfortunately. Coupled with a Brennan performance that was stifled by injury and our attack was blunted on the day.

3- Where Monaghan really won the match and where they outwitted Harte tactically was by crowding the middle 3rd and playing what I would call a high blanket defence. Instead of packing the 45m line back they packed between the two 65s. The first time I seen it done was Mayo against Donegal in 2013 but most teams prefer the traditional deeper blanket defence. By packing the midfield you choke the running game at its source and the only way to counteract it is to overpower  them physically there (unlikely enough 2 Hughes, Vinny, Kearns, Karl and Malone out there). The other, better option is to put the ball over this wall of men and into the space behind them at full forward. I think OíRourke correctly surmised Tyrone would stick to their running game rather than try to hit 40 yard balls into a forwards hands. Pete, Matty, Meyler, Tiernan, Hampsey, Mc Shane arenít lads who rake 40 yard passs, more often than not they look for the 1-2 to keep the ball moving forward. I think to succeed on Sunday Harte needs to develop a system to counteract Monaghan in the middle 3rd.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 09, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
Tyrone fans are being very precious about being labelled cynical in the run up to Sunday's match. I also never seen a set of supporters as pre occupied with who is the referee. It is just in their mentality to push the boundaries of the rules to the limit of what they think they can get away with instead of simply playing the game on it's own merits.


"There will be no quarter asked or given between these two rivals, but I had to laugh when I read Dick Clerkin warning Monaghan to be aware of Tyroneís cynical play. Itís pretty ironic coming from a man who was well-known for his cynical acts!"

The above comments on their own are fair enough given Dick Clerkin's cynicism but the fact that Philip Jordan made them is fairly ironic given his own history.     

Listen we know most of you Armagh lads have to stand up and look tough and not show signs of weakness when assaulted by some Lurgan buckie but us Tyrone lads arent as street wise as you lot. So (unless your from Carrickmore) most of us innocent ole fellas go down after getting a box in the mouth.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tyrone08 on August 09, 2018, 04:16:32 PM
Tyrone fans are being very precious about being labelled cynical in the run up to Sunday's match. I also never seen a set of supporters as pre occupied with who is the referee. It is just in their mentality to push the boundaries of the rules to the limit of what they think they can get away with instead of simply playing the game on it's own merits.


"There will be no quarter asked or given between these two rivals, but I had to laugh when I read Dick Clerkin warning Monaghan to be aware of Tyroneís cynical play. Itís pretty ironic coming from a man who was well-known for his cynical acts!"

The above comments on their own are fair enough given Dick Clerkin's cynicism but the fact that Philip Jordan made them is fairly ironic given his own history.     

Every team and fan should be asking who the ref is. Common enough fact that some refs are better than others. Tell me this would you want Joe McQuillian to ref this game?? I don't think you would. The man cant even spot the double bounce on 3 different occasions.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 09, 2018, 08:18:31 PM
I haven't seen many Derry players dive in this last ten years. Then again I have probably only seen Derry once or twice in this last 10 years. Div 4 teams don't get much coverage.

No team better at the dark arts than Monaghan. Very niggly off the ball, and Kieran Hughes likes to go to ground very handy. Ref will need to be wary of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on August 09, 2018, 09:03:06 PM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

2005 will always hurt. More than 2003
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 09, 2018, 09:42:29 PM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

2005 will always hurt. More than 2003

Lol, 31 other counties think Tyrone are the most cynical team around but to Tyrone people itís just because theyíre hurting or theyíre jealous.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 09, 2018, 09:51:25 PM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

2005 will always hurt. More than 2003

Lol, 31 other counties think Tyrone are the most cynical team around but to Tyrone people itís just because theyíre hurting or theyíre jealous.

A few yahoos from Derry and Armagh dont make up "31 other counties" but sure you knock yourself out Lenny
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 09, 2018, 09:51:43 PM
Any team yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: armaghniac on August 09, 2018, 10:00:24 PM
A few yahoos from Derry and Armagh dont make up "31 other counties" but sure you knock yourself out Lenny

I used to be a yahoo, but now I use Google.
I still think Tyrone is the most cynical team around.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 09, 2018, 10:04:06 PM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

2005 will always hurt. More than 2003

Lol, 31 other counties think Tyrone are the most cynical team around but to Tyrone people itís just because theyíre hurting or theyíre jealous.

A few yahoos from Derry and Armagh dont make up "31 other counties" but sure you knock yourself out Lenny
Don't forget you are roscommon's grudge match ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 09, 2018, 10:26:23 PM
Any team yet?

1 N Morgan
2 M McKernan
3 R McNamee
4 R Brennan
5 T McCann
6 F Burns
7 P Harte
8 C Cavanagh
9 P Hampsey
10 M Donnelly
11 N Sludden
12 C McShane
13 M Bradley
14 R Donnelly
15 C Mc Aliskey
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 09, 2018, 10:30:37 PM
May as well have released 15 random names. That team will never start.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 09, 2018, 10:34:28 PM
May as well have released 15 random names. That team will never start.

Really? Iíd be very surprised if it isnít the team that starts.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 09, 2018, 10:45:52 PM
Expected Rory in. Sensible team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 09, 2018, 10:49:50 PM
May as well have released 15 random names. That team will never start.
That looks like a team that would start alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 09, 2018, 10:53:55 PM
There's every chance that team will start. Pity about Conor Meyler (broken bone in foot or leg), but we have the replacements.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trileacman on August 09, 2018, 11:01:27 PM
Subs bench starting to look thin with Meyler and McCarron out and Rory Brennan having to start. Mc Nulty back in the 26 which will be a boost for him I suppose. Be shit to be in a county panel and not get to tog on match day.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trileacman on August 09, 2018, 11:07:06 PM
There's every chance that team will start. Pity about Conor Meyler (broken bone in foot or leg), but we have the replacements.

For me Burns is under the most pressure to keep his place. 2 consecutive bad days out. Meyler being ruled out and the lack of viable alternatives probably aids his cause.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: on the sideline on August 09, 2018, 11:09:24 PM
Subs bench starting to look thin with Meyler and McCarron out and Rory Brennan having to start. Mc Nulty back in the 26 which will be a boost for him I suppose. Be shit to be in a county panel and not get to tog on match day.

Is Ronan McHugh still on the panel?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 09, 2018, 11:12:00 PM
There's every chance that team will start. Pity about Conor Meyler (broken bone in foot or leg), but we have the replacements.

For me Burns is under the most pressure to keep his place. 2 consecutive bad days out. Meyler being ruled out and the lack of viable alternatives probably aids his cause.
The fire has gone out in him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 09, 2018, 11:14:57 PM
There's every chance that team will start. Pity about Conor Meyler (broken bone in foot or leg), but we have the replacements.

For me Burns is under the most pressure to keep his place. 2 consecutive bad days out. Meyler being ruled out and the lack of viable alternatives probably aids his cause.
The fire has gone out in him.

Nothing like a Semi in Croke against Monaghan to bring it roaring back into life!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: barelegs on August 09, 2018, 11:23:59 PM
There's every chance that team will start. Pity about Conor Meyler (broken bone in foot or leg), but we have the replacements.

For me Burns is under the most pressure to keep his place. 2 consecutive bad days out. Meyler being ruled out and the lack of viable alternatives probably aids his cause.
The fire has gone out in him.

Nothing like a Semi in Croke against Monaghan to bring it roaring back into life!  ;)

I'd heard a few days after the Dublin game that Burns had picked up an injury which would explain a couple of performances where he hasn't quite been at himself. McAliskey is the one under pressure for my money but his performance against Monaghan in Omagh was his best this year so I'd say Harte will be hopeful that'll bring him back to life.

Peter Harte was given very 'close attention' in Omagh and the referee and linesmen choose to ignore it. I'd hope they'll not be as generous with Monaghan on Sunday. However given our experience with referees this year, I'll not hold my breath.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: southtyronegael on August 09, 2018, 11:37:33 PM
you can be sure that rte/gaa will have had a very hard word in the refs ear to make sure tyrone do not make the final at all cost.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 09, 2018, 11:52:31 PM
It's a bit of a take from Pierce Turner's Now on Heaven album but Oliver's on tune with this effort

https://twitter.com/olivercallan/status/1027503420402544641/video/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=olivercallan&utm_content=1027503420402544641 (https://twitter.com/olivercallan/status/1027503420402544641/video/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=olivercallan&utm_content=1027503420402544641)

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: sensethetone on August 10, 2018, 12:12:57 AM
See McEntee putting pressure on the ref to not give us frees in today's Irish News. 2005 still hurting.

2005 will always hurt. More than 2003

It must have been the ref who made big Joe sub McGeany.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 10, 2018, 12:42:16 AM
It's a bit of a take from Pierce Turner's Now on Heaven album but Oliver's on tune with this effort
...

Yet more crap from you sir: it's Now is Heaven from Pierce. D'oh!

And all we need to know that you're pinning your hopes on the invocation of ghosts past! :D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 10, 2018, 09:59:41 AM
May as well have released 15 random names. That team will never start.

Really? Iíd be very surprised if it isnít the team that starts.

I'd expect Lee Brennan to start.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: The Subbie on August 10, 2018, 10:00:08 AM
Subs bench starting to look thin with Meyler and McCarron out and Rory Brennan having to start. Mc Nulty back in the 26 which will be a boost for him I suppose. Be shit to be in a county panel and not get to tog on match day.

Just listened to Woolyís podcast there saying Myler would be picking up Karl OíConnell  ::)
Read the board Wolly!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 10, 2018, 10:07:52 AM
May as well have released 15 random names. That team will never start.

Really? Iíd be very surprised if it isnít the team that starts.

I'd expect Lee Brennan to start.
Your original post suggested that the team named was nothing like the team that would start.
You expect one change....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2018, 10:18:19 AM
30 years ago Nudie broke our hearts.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Redhand Santa on August 10, 2018, 10:22:06 AM
May as well have released 15 random names. That team will never start.

Really? Iíd be very surprised if it isnít the team that starts.

I'd expect Lee Brennan to start.

He has only played 25 minutes of competitive football since early May. I'd be shocked if he starts, would be some risk.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2018, 10:40:50 AM
Is it Sunday yet?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28557.0

Interesting reading the old thread for the first game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 10, 2018, 10:50:55 AM
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=28557.0

Interesting reading the old thread for the first game.

Fired up Youtube last night to get a look at the game and forgot about the absence of TV coverage. Couldn't even find highlights.

Just had a look through and spotted this gem, O'Neill. Did you get any money on that?

As expected.

I can see Monaghan reaching the final this year if they avoid a Dub semi.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 10, 2018, 10:57:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAVB9pYxWzo
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 10, 2018, 11:01:50 AM
It's a bit of a take from Pierce Turner's Now on Heaven album but Oliver's on tune with this effort
...

Yet more crap from you sir: it's Now is Heaven from Pierce. D'oh!
You can't see the irony for the pedantry.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 10, 2018, 11:30:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAVB9pYxWzo

Good man, that didn't pop up when I searched.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 10, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
I don't know about this thread title "the battle for ulster's heart". Monaghan have already won that one. Even though most GAA afcionados are predicting a Tyrone victory, mostly their prediction is prefaced by a "I'd really love Monaghan to win but...."
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 10, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
I don't know about this thread title "the battle for ulster's heart". Monaghan have already won that one. Even though most GAA afcionados are predicting a Tyrone victory, mostly their prediction is prefaced by a "I'd really love Monaghan to win but...."

Congratulations. Iím sure this will be of great comfort on the way home.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 10, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
Being liked by Armagh and Derry wans is the real All Ireland.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 10, 2018, 05:36:09 PM
Being liked by Armagh and Derry wans is the real All Ireland.

Being liked by even one other county would be a good start for youse.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 10, 2018, 05:51:39 PM
Being liked by Armagh and Derry wans is the real All Ireland.

Being liked by even one other county would be a good start for youse.

Why would that be a good start? Losers are liked, winners are not. Simple as that. In the naughties that Tyrone team got dogs abuse from everyone, now looking back they get huge credit. That's what happens when you're successful. Something you'd have very limited experience with.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2018, 05:57:53 PM
Being liked by Armagh and Derry wans is the real All Ireland.

Being liked by even one other county would be a good start for youse.

Why would that be a good start? Losers are liked, winners are not. Simple as that. In the naughties that Tyrone team got dogs abuse from everyone, now looking back they get huge credit. That's what happens when you're successful. Something you'd have very limited experience with.

Exactly. Everyone wanted to Dublin to win in 2011. Everyone. Now nobody can stand the sight of them winning an all Ireland. People love an underdog, and if that means they don't want Tyrone to win then so be it. I won't lose sleep over it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 10, 2018, 06:18:35 PM
Being liked by Armagh and Derry wans is the real All Ireland.

Being liked by even one other county would be a good start for youse.

Why would that be a good start? Losers are liked, winners are not. Simple as that. In the naughties that Tyrone team got dogs abuse from everyone, now looking back they get huge credit. That's what happens when you're successful. Something you'd have very limited experience with.

Correct that tyrone got dogs abuse but incorrect that winners are not liked. Dublin are winners at the moment and play an exciting brand of football so many people from other counties love watching them and donít begrudge their success. Kerry were also great champions and great to watch. When Derry, Down and Donegal were successful in the early 90s there was no begrudgery and they brought nothing but credit to Ulster. Galway were great champions in 98 and 01 and i never heard a negative word about them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 10, 2018, 06:26:54 PM
Correct that tyrone got dogs abuse but incorrect that winners are not liked. Dublin are winners at the moment and play an exciting brand of football so many people from other counties love watching them and donít begrudge their success. Kerry were also great champions and great to watch. When Derry, Down and Donegal were successful in the early 90s there was no begrudgery and they brought nothing but credit to Ulster. Galway were great champions in 98 and 01 and i never heard a negative word about them.

You should get out more, meaning you should get around the country more, you really should. I've rarely read such a piece of blinkered parochial pollyanna nonsense in all my life, but each to his own. :)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 10, 2018, 07:05:42 PM
Being liked by Armagh and Derry wans is the real All Ireland.

Being liked by even one other county would be a good start for youse.

You should take a trip through Monaghan when we're in any other semi
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 10, 2018, 07:14:30 PM
The Armagh opposition to Tyrone I can understand I think that its roughly at an equal level although probably more lobsided these days since Armagh are so shite

But the Derry hatred of Tyrone is ridiculous. Never heard a good Derry word about Tyrone... ever... not even in the 90s, this didnt start in 03 or even 95 its there as long as I remember, so Lenny harping on about Mickey Harte and puke football is nonsense, they hated us with equal enthusiasm when we were naive, light and skillful and took kicking from gulpins. Indeed they openly rejoiced in '96

I'm guessing the root cause is that anti Tyrone gene has now been interbred so thoroughly in their populace that its influence on the psyche has exploded exponentially.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 10, 2018, 07:28:57 PM
Being liked by Armagh and Derry wans is the real All Ireland.

Being liked by even one other county would be a good start for youse.

You should take a trip through Monaghan when we're in any other semi

Indeed the monaghan county board hosted Tyrone in Emyvale on their way home in 08! Maybe even 03 or 05.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 10, 2018, 07:51:51 PM
The Armagh opposition to Tyrone I can understand I think that its roughly at an equal level although probably more lobsided these days since Armagh are so shite

But the Derry hatred of Tyrone is ridiculous. Never heard a good Derry word about Tyrone... ever... not even in the 90s, this didnt start in 03 or even 95 its there as long as I remember, so Lenny harping on about Mickey Harte and puke football is nonsense, they hated us with equal enthusiasm when we were naive, light and skillful and took kicking from gulpins. Indeed they openly rejoiced in '96

I'm guessing the root cause is that anti Tyrone gene has now been interbred so thoroughly in their populace that its influence on the psyche has exploded exponentially.

I was at the 95 and 86 finals supporting Tyrone as were many Derry people. I donít dislike Tyrone, just Harteís cynical cheating version of Tyrone. Just a pity Eugene Mckenna didnít get another year in 03 because Iím certain heíd have won Sam also.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Therealdonald on August 10, 2018, 08:45:09 PM
The Armagh opposition to Tyrone I can understand I think that its roughly at an equal level although probably more lobsided these days since Armagh are so shite

But the Derry hatred of Tyrone is ridiculous. Never heard a good Derry word about Tyrone... ever... not even in the 90s, this didnt start in 03 or even 95 its there as long as I remember, so Lenny harping on about Mickey Harte and puke football is nonsense, they hated us with equal enthusiasm when we were naive, light and skillful and took kicking from gulpins. Indeed they openly rejoiced in '96

I'm guessing the root cause is that anti Tyrone gene has now been interbred so thoroughly in their populace that its influence on the psyche has exploded exponentially.

I was at the 95 and 86 finals supporting Tyrone as were many Derry people. I donít dislike Tyrone, just Harteís cynical cheating version of Tyrone. Just a pity Eugene Mckenna didnít get another year in 03 because Iím certain heíd have won Sam also.

Lenny cut the crap. The only Derry people who supported Tyrone were the Ballinderry men who supported Tyrone and not Derry like Big Enda in 95 wearing his Tyrone top after the minor final. As for the rest of ye, uz hated us.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 10, 2018, 09:21:58 PM
The Armagh opposition to Tyrone I can understand I think that its roughly at an equal level although probably more lobsided these days since Armagh are so shite

But the Derry hatred of Tyrone is ridiculous. Never heard a good Derry word about Tyrone... ever... not even in the 90s, this didnt start in 03 or even 95 its there as long as I remember, so Lenny harping on about Mickey Harte and puke football is nonsense, they hated us with equal enthusiasm when we were naive, light and skillful and took kicking from gulpins. Indeed they openly rejoiced in '96

I'm guessing the root cause is that anti Tyrone gene has now been interbred so thoroughly in their populace that its influence on the psyche has exploded exponentially.

I was at the 95 and 86 finals supporting Tyrone as were many Derry people. I donít dislike Tyrone, just Harteís cynical cheating version of Tyrone. Just a pity Eugene Mckenna didnít get another year in 03 because Iím certain heíd have won Sam also.

 :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 10, 2018, 10:25:06 PM
I was at the 95 and 86 finals supporting Tyrone as were many Derry people. I donít dislike Tyrone, just Harteís cynical cheating version of Tyrone. Just a pity Eugene Mckenna didnít get another year in 03 because Iím certain heíd have won Sam also.

And by sheer astronomical coincidence, Harte was the first manager we had who allowed us to get our grubby mitts on Sam, but no, you preferred the plucky little neighbour, who was always close, but never quite close enough.

And sorry, don't buy your Eugene-as-an-all-Ireland-winner-would-be-all-sweetness-and-light!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Lar Naparka on August 10, 2018, 10:58:03 PM
I was at the 95 and 86 finals supporting Tyrone as were many Derry people. I donít dislike Tyrone, just Harteís cynical cheating version of Tyrone. Just a pity Eugene Mckenna didnít get another year in 03 because Iím certain heíd have won Sam also.

And by sheer astronomical coincidence, Harte was the first manager we had who allowed us to get our grubby mitts on Sam, but no, you preferred the plucky little neighbour, who was always close, but never quite close enough.

And sorry, don't buy your Eugene-as-an-all-Ireland-winner-would-be-all-sweetness-and-light!  ;)
G'man Fear, you're sure suckin' diesel. Keep 'er lit! ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 10, 2018, 11:06:26 PM
Nothing against Tyrone, but I hope Monaghan win this one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 10, 2018, 11:18:43 PM
Nothing against Tyrone, but I hope Monaghan win this one.

Which is fair enough. I think Iíd want Monaghan to win against probably any other county in Ireland on Sunday, itís great to see a different county reach an AI final and Iíd say most neutrals feel a similar way. What is entertaining though is the Derry and Armagh lads jumping on the Monaghan bandwagon pretending itís a crusade against cynical football, rather than owning up to their bitterness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 10, 2018, 11:47:56 PM
Never liked Tyrone. Never have, never will.

Donít like Monaghan either. Never have, never will.

In fact, donít really like anyone outside the Oakleaf.

Heading down on Sunday though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 10, 2018, 11:51:36 PM
Never liked Tyrone. Never have, never will.

Donít like Monaghan either. Never have, never will.

In fact, donít really like anyone outside the Oakleaf.

Heading down on Sunday though.

 :D

See you there horse!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 10, 2018, 11:54:18 PM
Never liked Tyrone. Never have, never will.

Donít like Monaghan either. Never have, never will.

In fact, donít really like anyone outside the Oakleaf.

Heading down on Sunday though.

 :D

See you there horse!  ;)

Looking forward to it. Always a pleasure.  :)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 10, 2018, 11:59:56 PM
Never liked Tyrone. Never have, never will.

Donít like Monaghan either. Never have, never will.

In fact, donít really like anyone outside the Oakleaf.

Heading down on Sunday though.

That may be true alright but in order to take a real interest in games, you need to decide who the worst bastids are and support the other team like you were weaned off the tit there.
Got me through the World Cup.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Champion The Wonder Horse on August 11, 2018, 12:03:57 AM
Never liked Tyrone. Never have, never will.

Donít like Monaghan either. Never have, never will.

In fact, donít really like anyone outside the Oakleaf.

Heading down on Sunday though.

That may be true alright but in order to take a real interest in games, you need to decide who the worst bastids are and support the other team like you were weaned off the tit there.
Got me through the World Cup.

Do I have to answer that?

Canít bring myself to support the mushroom and duckling farmers though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: donelli on August 11, 2018, 07:22:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAVB9pYxWzo
Shane they couldn't put McManus' outrageous point near the end in the highlights reel. Was score of the year
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fuzzman on August 11, 2018, 08:18:06 AM
Can't believe the shite being talked any more or the credit we give these wums.
Of course smaller counties who have suffered at our hands for years will despise us and let's face it Tyrone and usually AN Other have been getting to AI quarters now pretty regularly for the past 17 years.

Can we not just ignore their biased crap and talk about the game. I was out last night in D7 area with my Tyrone jersey on and the banter was great. People from various counties approached me and gave me their opinions. Most neutrals thought we would win on Sunday and maybe even give the Dubs a fair aul scare in the final.
I was a lot more cautious about Monaghan.
One Monaghan lad said he was very confident and that this team no longer fear Tyrone and are more used to big days in Croker now than ever before.
I said usually at this stage most teams are physically at the same level and it comes down to hunger and how willing you are to fight for it.
My concern is that if it is a tight game will our free taking be our downfall again.
How many times in the last 5 years has wides or short shots cost us defeats against Mayo or Kerry.
I think Monaghan by 2.
 >:(
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: donelli on August 11, 2018, 08:59:26 AM
This Tyrone team to bottle it again at the AI semi final stage.
Monaghan for me.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2018, 09:15:44 AM
Like Iíve said before, if Monaghan were playing anyone other than Tyrone Iíd be cheering them on but leaving all the sentimental nonsense to one side, in my view, thereís no evidence to suggest this Monaghan team are anything other than the same old version that we have seen over the past few years. A lot of store is being put on the fact that Monaghan beat Tyrone earlier in the season, which is fair enough but if we are going to factor early season form in here then we have to mention that after that good performance Monaghan bottled it against a very poor Fermanagh team in an awful performance. They bottled it again when a place in the semi final was in their grasp v Kerry and too much emphasis has been put on a victory over a Galway team who already had one eye on the following weekends semi final. There is no trajectory of progress as far as I can see, they have performed well at times with the usual bottle jobs thrown in. There is nothing different coming from this Monaghan team and throw in the psychological defeats to Tyrone in similar circumstances in the past and how Tyrone have improved as the year has progressed them I can only see one result. Tyrone by 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Estimator on August 11, 2018, 10:12:47 AM
Never liked Tyrone. Never have, never will.

Donít like Monaghan either. Never have, never will.

In fact, donít really like anyone outside the Oakleaf.

Heading down on Sunday though.

Completely agree with this sentiment.
If Monaghan were playing anyone but Tyrone on Sunday, Iíd be hoping for an opposition victory.
That said I think Tyrone will win. And win with a wee bit to spare.
Generally when the sides have met earlier in the Cíship, its always defeated side that get their revenge when they play again:
2001: Derry Tyrone and
2005: Tyrone Armagh
Are the obvious examples

Tyrone -5 would be the bet
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Rossfan on August 11, 2018, 11:08:13 AM
I like the people of 31 Counties hoping for a Monaghan win.
It would be a great boost to the 10 other little Counties if the Monaghan lads can do it as it would show us there is hope after all.
It will be close and possibly horrible to watch. Tyrone seem to have been improving as the season progressed but I'm hoping not by enough to beat Monaghan just yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Hotrocks on August 11, 2018, 11:24:04 AM
Heading off soon for the capital hoping for two really good games.  I think tonights game will be a better spectacle as both teams tomorrow will be a lot more cautious , i don't think Galway can afford to be today.  Safe travel to all heading down.
Dublin by 4
Tyrone by 2
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: giveballaghback on August 11, 2018, 11:51:55 AM
Have to say Tyrone were easy winners of the sledging match on here, they will win the sledging match tomorrow as well but can they win the football match....... Probably. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Big Alley on August 11, 2018, 11:54:42 AM
Heard from a friend heading down to the match this morning (Sat) that there are long tailbacks of traffic due to the roadworks on the N2 at Emyvale-Monaghan.  Was intending to go that way myself tomorrow morning but may have to reconsider now, probably be worse tomorrow.  Would be great if somebody could give updates on the position today/tomorrow.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 11, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
Monaghan Hills

O Monaghan hills
You have made me the sort of man I am
A fellow who can never care a damn
For Everest thrills

The country of my mind
Has a hundred little heads
On none of which foot-room for genius.

Because of you I am a half-faithed ploughman
Shallow furrows at my heels
Because of you I am a beggar of song
And a coward in thunder.

If I had been born among the Mournes
Even in Forkhill
I might have had echo-corners in my soul
Repeating the dawn laughter.

I might have climbed to know the glory
Of toppling from the roof of seeing -
O Monaghan hills when is writ your story
A carbon-copy will unfold my being.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 11, 2018, 01:39:33 PM
Have to say Tyrone were easy winners of the sledging match on here, they will win the sledging match tomorrow as well but can they win the football match....... Probably.

Is it really that impressive when there are so many of the hoors hanging around? If they lined out 15 against 1 tomorrow then I'd say they'd win handy too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 11, 2018, 02:11:56 PM
H.ave to say Tyrone were easy winners of the sledging match on here, they will win the sledging match tomorrow as well but can they win the football match....... Probably.

Is it really that impressive when there are so many of the hoors hanging around? If they lined out 15 against 1 tomorrow then I'd say they'd win handy too.

And that's your sum total regarding tomorrow's game? Some contribution.

It's a free fecking board, the lack of Monaghan participation in this thread is entirely of your own doing, and then some.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 11, 2018, 02:32:27 PM
H.ave to say Tyrone were easy winners of the sledging match on here, they will win the sledging match tomorrow as well but can they win the football match....... Probably.

Is it really that impressive when there are so many of the hoors hanging around? If they lined out 15 against 1 tomorrow then I'd say they'd win handy too.

And that's your sum total regarding tomorrow's game? Some contribution.

It's a free fecking board, the lack of Monaghan participation in this thread is entirely of your own doing, and then some.

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 11, 2018, 02:57:16 PM

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?

Why so precious so? Will you be railing against the rain next, and blaming us?

We are, in general, so excited, about the game tomorrow. In fact, we just cannot wait, and we just can't help ourselves but to spread that benevolent incandescence!  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trileacman on August 11, 2018, 03:03:22 PM

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?

Why so precious so? Will you be railing against the rain next, and blaming us?

We are, in general, so excited, about the game tomorrow. In fact, we just cannot wait, and we just can't help ourselves but to spread that benevolent incandescence!  ;D

I donít think you can accuse anyone of being precious. There hasnít been a derogatory comment about Tyrone on this thread that you havenít risen too.

Ffs just read the comments and ignore them if you disagree with them. The board has gotten so f**king petty of late.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 11, 2018, 03:15:32 PM
Jeez, lighten up man, FFS!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2018, 03:41:38 PM

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?

Why so precious so? Will you be railing against the rain next, and blaming us?

We are, in general, so excited, about the game tomorrow. In fact, we just cannot wait, and we just can't help ourselves but to spread that benevolent incandescence!  ;D

I donít think you can accuse anyone of being precious. There hasnít been a derogatory comment about Tyrone on this thread that you havenít risen too.

Ffs just read the comments and ignore them if you disagree with them. The board has gotten so f**king petty of late.

Is part of the craic on a forum like this not to give a bit of stick back when you get a bit?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 11, 2018, 04:23:34 PM

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?

Why so precious so? Will you be railing against the rain next, and blaming us?

We are, in general, so excited, about the game tomorrow. In fact, we just cannot wait, and we just can't help ourselves but to spread that benevolent incandescence!  ;D

 ;D Jesus man who's being precious, I made a half hearted joke about being outnumbered by Tyrone fans on here, and you're the one making a big deal of it!

Can't wait for tomorrow myself
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 11, 2018, 04:27:15 PM

Can't wait for tomorrow myself

Bring it on, ya hoors ya!  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Over the Bar on August 11, 2018, 04:58:40 PM

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?

Why so precious so? Will you be railing against the rain next, and blaming us?

We are, in general, so excited, about the game tomorrow. In fact, we just cannot wait, and we just can't help ourselves but to spread that benevolent incandescence!  ;D

I donít think you can accuse anyone of being precious. There hasnít been a derogatory comment about Tyrone on this thread that you havenít risen too.

Ffs just read the comments and ignore them if you disagree with them. The board has gotten so f**king petty of late.

Is part of the craic on a forum like this not to give a bit of stick back when you get a bit?

Would you pair like to get a room?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 11, 2018, 05:07:07 PM

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?

Why so precious so? Will you be railing against the rain next, and blaming us?

We are, in general, so excited, about the game tomorrow. In fact, we just cannot wait, and we just can't help ourselves but to spread that benevolent incandescence!  ;D

I donít think you can accuse anyone of being precious. There hasnít been a derogatory comment about Tyrone on this thread that you havenít risen too.

Ffs just read the comments and ignore them if you disagree with them. The board has gotten so f**king petty of late.

Is part of the craic on a forum like this not to give a bit of stick back when you get a bit?

Would you pair like to get a room?

Eh?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Over the Bar on August 11, 2018, 05:10:49 PM
Not you BH..unless you want a 3some with them? ;) ???
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 11, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
Not you BH..unless you want a 3some with them? ;) ???

What da feck are you, now too, on about?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 11, 2018, 07:06:01 PM
Would have loved a Galway win today. Horrible feeling of an inevitable outcome in the final no matter who gets through. I do think we'd be closer than last year and monaghan would also be closer than their showing against Dublin last year but enough to beat them in croker is a stretch.

Still would love another final. Harte has a superb record in all finals especially the AI so feck it let's try to get through tomorrow and look forward to the final regardless. Praying for an ulster win either way.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: snoopdog on August 11, 2018, 07:29:42 PM
Tomorrow looking light a battle for seats on the Titanic.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 11, 2018, 07:58:32 PM

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?

Why so precious so? Will you be railing against the rain next, and blaming us?

We are, in general, so excited, about the game tomorrow. In fact, we just cannot wait, and we just can't help ourselves but to spread that benevolent incandescence!  ;D

Like  "...hysterical young girls at a wedding"?





Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 11, 2018, 08:12:59 PM
Tomorrow looking light a battle for seats on the Titanic.

just in from the dublin galway game. Predictable outcome but the small crowd and sh*te atmosphere has to be concerning. Its not that long ago since the dubs would sell out a semi final and it was a great day out. I'm going back in tomorrow and I expect an electric atmosphere
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 11, 2018, 08:17:36 PM
One of my personal favourites from the 1988 ulster final, Michael O'Dowd a quiet gentle lad from Tullycorbert, deals effectively with the swarm and to cap it all decks one of the Tyronies with a lightening fast reflex uppercut,   the ref just plays on with a throw ball ;D

https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=1244 (https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=1244)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 11, 2018, 08:22:11 PM
One of my personal favourites from the 1988 ulster final, Michael O'Dowd a quiet gentle lad from Tullycorbert, deals effectively with the swarm and to cap it all decks one of the Tyronies with a lightening fast reflex uppercut,   the ref just plays on with a throw ball ;D

https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=1244 (https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=1244)
Football is a poor spectacle nowadays.
 :-X
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: skeog on August 11, 2018, 08:34:56 PM
Is that John Lynch on the end of a sly uppercut.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 11, 2018, 10:22:41 PM
There's a good read on Ryan McAnespie in today's Examiner.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/life-in-a-border-town-for-tyrone-man-ryan-mcanespie-861486.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/life-in-a-border-town-for-tyrone-man-ryan-mcanespie-861486.html)
Monaghan heart with a bit of Tyrone blood (he could have been a runner for Mickey Harte), it documents some of  his childhood experience, much about his uncle Aidan who was murdered by a british soldier, his all star mother and sister  -  stalwarts of the Monaghan ladies.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 11, 2018, 10:49:39 PM
There's a good read on Ryan McAnespie in today's Examiner.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/life-in-a-border-town-for-tyrone-man-ryan-mcanespie-861486.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/life-in-a-border-town-for-tyrone-man-ryan-mcanespie-861486.html)
Monaghan heart with a bit of Tyrone blood (he could have been a runner for Mickey Harte), it documents some of  his childhood experience, much about his uncle Aidan who was murdered by a british soldier, his all star mother and sister  -  stalwarts of the Monaghan ladies.

Yep great piece
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 11, 2018, 11:08:37 PM
Tomorrow looking light a battle for seats on the Titanic.
Fair comment. Only shining lights are Dubs just about win in finals and thereís a 3-week-break for the analysts to find the nugget.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 12, 2018, 01:52:39 AM
Interesting tweet from Michael Donnelly there. Says this is the biggest Ulster clash since 2005. My first reaction was, no every ulster final since then is bigger than the game tomorrow because there's an actual prize whereas tomorrow the winner gets the chance of a prize. But then again we get so few chances in all Ireland finals maybe he's right and an all ulster semi final is bigger than an Ulster final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: armaghniac on August 12, 2018, 02:21:04 AM
Interesting tweet from Michael Donnelly there. Says this is the biggest Ulster clash since 2005. My first reaction was, no every ulster final since then is bigger than the game tomorrow because there's an actual prize whereas tomorrow the winner gets the chance of a prize. But then again we get so few chances in all Ireland finals maybe he's right and an all ulster semi final is bigger than an Ulster final.

Let's hope the best team wins, unlike 2005.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 12, 2018, 02:43:52 AM
Interesting tweet from Michael Donnelly there. Says this is the biggest Ulster clash since 2005. My first reaction was, no every ulster final since then is bigger than the game tomorrow because there's an actual prize whereas tomorrow the winner gets the chance of a prize. But then again we get so few chances in all Ireland finals maybe he's right and an all ulster semi final is bigger than an Ulster final.

Let's hope the best team wins, unlike 2005.

Were talking among adults here about the big prize. The wrong team who won ulster that year, I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 12, 2018, 04:16:39 AM
One of my personal favourites from the 1988 ulster final, Michael O'Dowd a quiet gentle lad from Tullycorbert, deals effectively with the swarm and to cap it all decks one of the Tyronies with a lightening fast reflex uppercut,   the ref just plays on with a throw ball ;D

https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=1244 (https://youtu.be/a0iR1mIRm-Q?t=1244)

What would we do for a Stephen Conway tomorrow, did he ever miss a free?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 12, 2018, 08:29:07 AM
There's a good read on Ryan McAnespie in today's Examiner.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/life-in-a-border-town-for-tyrone-man-ryan-mcanespie-861486.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/gaa/life-in-a-border-town-for-tyrone-man-ryan-mcanespie-861486.html)
Monaghan heart with a bit of Tyrone blood (he could have been a runner for Mickey Harte), it documents some of  his childhood experience, much about his uncle Aidan who was murdered by a british soldier, his all star mother and sister  -  stalwarts of the Monaghan ladies.

Excellent article
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 12, 2018, 08:38:30 AM
In truth the 2 point defeat really flattered Tyrone the first day. After a promising start from Tyrone, Monaghan got hold of the game and Tyrone looked pretty ragged. Late goal made it look better for Tyrone but 5 points would have been a fairer reflection of the game.

Been a strange old summer since then with some rather unconvincing Tyrone performances, and some huge scores (albeit against teams who aren't as physically strong as Tyrone and who to try and play a traditional style, the kind of teams this Tyrone system destroys). The last 20 minutes last week gave me hope, a tantalising glimpse of what is possible when Tyrone committ more to attack, and with the right attackers. Monaghan are a tougher challenge than Donegal, but if it's close with 20 mins or so left and the Tyrone cavalry to go in, there will be a chance.

Safe travels to all.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 08:52:50 AM
In truth the 2 point defeat really flattered Tyrone the first day. After a promising start from Tyrone, Monaghan got hold of the game and Tyrone looked pretty ragged. Late goal made it look better for Tyrone but 5 points would have been a fairer reflection of the game.

Been a strange old summer since then with some rather unconvincing Tyrone performances, and some huge scores (albeit against teams who aren't as physically strong as Tyrone and who to try and play a traditional style, the kind of teams this Tyrone system destroys). The last 20 minutes last week gave me hope, a tantalising glimpse of what is possible when Tyrone committ more to attack, and with the right attackers. Monaghan are a tougher challenge than Donegal, but if it's close with 20 mins or so left and the Tyrone cavalry to go in, there will be a chance.

Safe travels to all.
Yeah - they just about survived Meath and have pushed on since. Monaghan had a handy qualifier run but then topped their super 8 group. I'm expecting this to be a 1 or 2 point game with Monaghan doing just enough.... maybe Beggan to kick a 60 yd monster to win it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Aaron Boone on August 12, 2018, 09:09:21 AM
The N2 will be busy.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 09:10:00 AM
Beggan can be rattled. Donaghy putting him off against kerry really threw him off his game. I would expect tyrone to do that too.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 09:22:47 AM
Beggan can be rattled. Donaghy putting him off against kerry really threw him off his game. I would expect tyrone to do that too.
there isn't a trick in the book that tyrone wont try but hopefully the ref is wise to them. Even at that i'd still fancy beggan to slot them over
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2018, 09:54:18 AM
Road closures on the way into armagh from Newry from 7 this evening. Something to be aware of.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 09:59:06 AM
Beggan can be rattled. Donaghy putting him off against kerry really threw him off his game. I would expect tyrone to do that too.
there isn't a trick in the book that tyrone wont try but hopefully the ref is wise to them. Even at that i'd still fancy beggan to slot them over

Donaghy really rattled him in clones. Morgan is the same with distance frees. They can be rattled.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 12:35:23 PM
Lads, I know it's all about the result today, but if you wouldn't mind giving us a good, entertaining game, we'd really, really appreciate it.

Kind regards,

The rest of us
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: macdanger2 on August 12, 2018, 12:36:09 PM
Hopefully this will be a decent watch. Would prefer to see monaghan winning but good luck to both
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Dire Ear on August 12, 2018, 12:38:23 PM
Can see Monaghan snatching this at the end, sadly  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 12, 2018, 12:46:08 PM

 ::) I've already been commenting in this thread, I was simply passing comment on the amount of Tyrone lads here. What do you want me to do, go on a GAA board recruitment drive around the county?

Why so precious so? Will you be railing against the rain next, and blaming us?

We are, in general, so excited, about the game tomorrow. In fact, we just cannot wait, and we just can't help ourselves but to spread that benevolent incandescence!  ;D

Like  "...hysterical young girls at a wedding"?

Worse, way worse ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: reddgnhand on August 12, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
Anyone have a link for this game?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 12, 2018, 02:52:19 PM
I would love to see Monaghan win but the downsidecwoukd be Dick effin Clerkin being unsufferable for the next 40 years
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: cuconnacht on August 12, 2018, 03:30:03 PM
Redd ,any joy with a link yet?strugglin!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: highorlow on August 12, 2018, 03:30:12 PM
Does Marty write that intro bullshit himself?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 03:31:14 PM
The place is half empty!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: square_ball on August 12, 2018, 03:31:32 PM
Does Marty write that intro bullshit himself?

It was a bit nauseating alright.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 03:36:18 PM
Good start to the game, Tyrone full of running and their kick passing causing the Monaghan defence plenty of problems.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 03:37:07 PM
Hmm this might be more one sided than people might have thought.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on August 12, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
This game is over
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2018, 03:42:01 PM
Brilliant first 5 minutes by Tyrone, they could have been out of sight.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2018, 03:47:47 PM
Dessie Dolan is hard to listen to on commentary.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Harold Disgracey on August 12, 2018, 03:50:18 PM
Nolan screwing Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 03:55:31 PM
Monaghan can't afford to miss goal chances like that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 03:58:05 PM
Nolan screwing Monaghan.

I would tend to agree. What was that free for? Why was cavanagh not yellow carded too?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2018, 04:00:00 PM
Very pernickety referee this, wonít let the game flow at all.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2018, 04:04:17 PM
This is a really poor spectacle, some woeful wides both sides.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 04:05:48 PM
Two Tyrone errors and Monaghan find themselves level!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 04:07:45 PM
This is a really poor spectacle, some woeful wides both sides.
Credit goes to the quality of defending on the majority of those wides.  Yesterday in the 1st half both set of forwards had loads of time and room on the ball to kick scores...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:08:39 PM
HT Tyrone 0-8 Monaghan 0-8. All to play for in a intriguing contest.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on August 12, 2018, 04:08:55 PM
This game is over

I may have spoken too soon. Fair play to Monaghan for coming back into it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 12, 2018, 04:09:16 PM
Same pattern as Omagh here, Tyrone starting well and getting a number of scores early, but Monaghan gradually taking control.
Some really poor decision making from Tyrone players in good attacking situations.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:09:31 PM
This is a really poor spectacle, some woeful wides both sides.

I think it's a good game. Great tackling, kick outs, fielding.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: reddgnhand on August 12, 2018, 04:10:05 PM
Tyrones shot selection absolutely woeful.  Same shite thats been happening this last few years and never fixed. Poor coaching.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 04:14:37 PM
Tyrone the better team by a fair bit. Making really hard work of it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: highorlow on August 12, 2018, 04:18:20 PM
Tyrone ought to be 4 or 5 up.

Game could go either way as Monaghan look like they have a goal in them.

Number 12 for Tyrone having a bad day.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: SHEEDY on August 12, 2018, 04:19:21 PM
Nolan screwing Monaghan.
agree with that. Tyrone getting frees a lot handier than monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 04:26:50 PM
Lee Keegan in the RTE studio thinks Tyrone are fine fit lads and just need more confidence. Lee is a fine country lad himself.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
What way do the throw up at start of the game and the 2nd half work! I though u always must be on your side of the line; theres men contesting throw ups on the other side if the line; hows that work??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 12, 2018, 04:30:09 PM
Not a vintage display of shooting.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: thebuzz on August 12, 2018, 04:31:00 PM
Lee Keegan in the RTE studio thinks Tyrone are fine fit lads and just need more confidence. Lee is a fine country lad himself.

He's a lot easier listened to than most pundits.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 04:31:43 PM
Tyrone need to stop fcukin shooting until the handy point is on. Theyíd be streets ahead by now.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: screenexile on August 12, 2018, 04:33:04 PM
The Dubs will have a field day against either of these!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 04:33:37 PM
They are a good bit the better team but lucky enough to be ahead still.

Not sure about this ref. Surely hughes was fouled.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 04:35:48 PM
They are a good bit the better team but lucky enough to be ahead still.

Not sure about this ref. Surely hughes was fouled.
Was not. He over carried the ball though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 04:37:15 PM
The ref sore enough on Monaghan the day!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2018, 04:38:07 PM
They are a good bit the better team but lucky enough to be ahead still.

Not sure about this ref. Surely hughes was fouled.
Was not. He over carried the ball though.

Tyrone the better team, but that ref is a joke. Should be sponsored by Phillips for the screw job he is doing to Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 04:38:58 PM
Jesus the definition of a black card; unreal!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2018, 04:39:15 PM
The ref sore enough on Monaghan the day!

Stone wall black card for Tyrone FB. Bottle job by ref. He's a joke.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: armaghniac on August 12, 2018, 04:39:26 PM
The ref sore enough on Monaghan the day!

That should  have been a black card.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 12, 2018, 04:39:39 PM
Tyrone player got away with that one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 12, 2018, 04:39:49 PM
Well there is certainly no way Tyrone can complain about the refs again after this performance by Nolan
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: screenexile on August 12, 2018, 04:40:14 PM
They are a good bit the better team but lucky enough to be ahead still.

Not sure about this ref. Surely hughes was fouled.
Was not. He over carried the ball though.

Tyrone the better team, but that ref is a joke. Should be sponsored by Phillips for the scerw job he is doing to Monaghan.

Monaghan having to work very hard to get a free!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Harold Disgracey on August 12, 2018, 04:40:18 PM
Nolan still screwing Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omochain on August 12, 2018, 04:41:40 PM
Ref is a joke.. should have been a black card to MacNamee
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:41:57 PM
50 mins gone. Tyrone 0-11 Monaghan 0-9 fitness and the strength of the benches will probably be the difference now.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 04:42:10 PM
People talk about black cards like they will change the game.
Havenít seen one do that yet.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Dougal Maguire on August 12, 2018, 04:42:18 PM
Well there is certainly no way Tyrone can complain about the refs again after this performance by Nolan
Shocking performance
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:42:31 PM
The ref sore enough on Monaghan the day!

Stone wall black card for Tyrone FB. Bottle job by ref. He's a joke.

Monaghan player grabbed his arm too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Aughafad on August 12, 2018, 04:43:08 PM
you'd swear armagh & derry were playing  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 04:44:05 PM
People talk about black cards like they will change the game.
Havenít seen one do that yet.

Ever?? They have changed many a game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 04:45:06 PM
People talk about black cards like they will change the game.
Havenít seen one do that yet.

Ever?? They have changed many a game.
When?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 04:46:55 PM
Biggest change i ever saw was ai club final with castlebar against st vincents. The ginger haired fella who was marking connolly.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 04:47:04 PM
Hampsey has done 5 personal fouls on McManus; after how long is persistant fouling yelliw carded?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2018, 04:47:56 PM
People talk about black cards like they will change the game.
Havenít seen one do that yet.

Ever?? They have changed many a game.
When?

Dubs win All Ireland final by a point. Lee Keegan is sitting in the stand after black card in the first half. Think he would have been worth a point
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 12, 2018, 04:48:22 PM
Tyrone are just better at 'making' a free
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 04:49:02 PM
People talk about black cards like they will change the game.
Havenít seen one do that yet.

Ever?? They have changed many a game.
When?

Dubs win All Ireland final by a point. Lee Keegan is sitting in the stand after black card in the first half. Think he would have been worth a point

I had forgot about that one too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 04:49:54 PM
People talk about black cards like they will change the game.
Havenít seen one do that yet.

Ever?? They have changed many a game.
When?

Dubs win All Ireland final by a point. Lee Keegan is sitting in the stand after black card in the first half. Think he would have been worth a point
Dubs wouldíve won.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
Biggest change i ever saw was ai club final with castlebar against st vincents. The ginger haired fella who was marking connolly.
:P
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:50:42 PM
The sides are level 0-11 each. 59 mins gone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 04:51:44 PM
Getting interesting
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 04:52:19 PM
I know Dublin were poor yesterday but both teams are poor the day! Should Tyrone not have kept the same team with the subs given the big push round the 55min mark? The winner of this game could end up the big loser with a hammering in the final!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2018, 04:53:15 PM
Tyrone look clueless in the forward line in the 2nd half. Monaghan have all the momentum, but have they the bench & fitness to push on in the last 10+ injury time
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 04:54:16 PM
O'neill a boy who could get a goal handy.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:55:37 PM
Tyrone goal out of nothing really. 1-11 to 0-12 they lead 64 mins gone
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 04:56:29 PM
Goal; game changer when Monaghan had just hit the front!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
Great dive
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 04:57:15 PM
I know Dublin were poor yesterday but both teams are poor the day! Should Tyrone not have kept the same team with the subs given the big push round the 55min mark? The winner of this game could end up the big loser with a hammering in the final!

Won't hammer them but Dublin will produce their biggest margin of victory in All Ireland final since the 70s. Lucky enough Tyrone goal there a few moments ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: square_ball on August 12, 2018, 04:57:49 PM
Marty needs to try and hide his Monaghan bias a bit more.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: dublin7 on August 12, 2018, 04:58:01 PM
Cavanagh with a trademark dive for another soft free. Hard for Monaghan to get the 2 points back. 4 min left in normal time
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 12, 2018, 04:58:10 PM
Great dive
there have been a few
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 04:58:50 PM
Great dive
Ironically given away by McManus.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 04:59:25 PM
Same pattern as donegal game really. Goal at critical time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:59:38 PM
68 mins gone. Tyrone 1-13 Monaghan 0-13 looks like that goal will be the games turning point.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: screenexile on August 12, 2018, 04:59:43 PM
Wouldnít be a Tyrone match without a Cavanagh dive!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 05:00:58 PM
Great dive
Ironically given away by McManus.

He's been fouled all day long.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 12, 2018, 05:01:55 PM
Anyone tell Monaghan that you've a better chance of scoring if you put forwards close to goal
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 05:02:21 PM
3 mins to be added. Tyrone 1-13 Monaghan 0-14. 10 wides each
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 05:02:40 PM
Great dive
Ironically given away by McManus.

He's been fouled all day long.
Lol
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 05:03:39 PM
72 mins gone Tyrone 1-13 Monaghan 0-15
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 05:04:59 PM
What was beggan at !
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 05:05:19 PM
FT Tyrone 1-13 Monaghan 0-15. Nothing between the side a heartbreaking defeat for Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 05:05:33 PM
Rush of blood to the head by Beggan there! Tyrone win!!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on August 12, 2018, 05:06:10 PM
Bit of a fortunate goal the difference in the end.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omochain on August 12, 2018, 05:06:43 PM
Ref.. Ref. Ref..
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: square_ball on August 12, 2018, 05:07:12 PM
What was beggan at !

Reading too many headlines. To do that at that stage of the game is criminal.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 12, 2018, 05:07:19 PM
God I can't wait to see Dublin give Tyrone a lesson after that
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: armaghniac on August 12, 2018, 05:08:30 PM
Bit of a fortunate goal the difference in the end.

Great block happened to fall to Tyrone man, while similar blocks in the first half did not fall for Monaghan.
.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 12, 2018, 05:09:13 PM
Wouldnít be a Tyrone match without a Cavanagh dive!!

Wouldn't be a Tyrone thread without you crying like a moaning bitch.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 05:09:28 PM
Tyrone did not play well today. Some poor performances by big names.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 05:10:01 PM
Wouldnít be a Tyrone match without a Cavanagh dive!!

Youíd love to have him Screen!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulster’s heart aisf 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 05:11:29 PM
Lucky win for Tyrone. Monaghan had their chances to win and will be kicking themselves more so when they watch that game back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Lamh Dhearg Alba on August 12, 2018, 05:13:06 PM
Tyrone did not play well today. Some poor performances by big names.

Yes, it was a poor Tyrone performance and a very poor quality match. Monaghan will be gutted, that game was there for them.

I can't see a scenario where Tyrone beat Dublin. But it's nice to be back in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tonto1888 on August 12, 2018, 05:13:25 PM
Wouldnít be a Tyrone match without a Cavanagh dive!!

Youíd love to have him Screen!

I dislike him a lot but would love it if he was an Armagh player
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 05:13:53 PM
Lucky win for Tyrone. Monghan had their chances to win and will be kicking themselves more so when they watch that game back.
Tyrone had plenty of wasted chances and were the better team, if weíre honest.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: pbat on August 12, 2018, 05:14:58 PM
Two frees given were the difference, one close to half-time and Cavanagh's dive. Seemed all 50/50 went Tyrone's way.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 05:16:41 PM
Lucky win for Tyrone. Monghan had their chances to win and will be kicking themselves more so when they watch that game back.
Tyrone had plenty of wasted chances and were the better team, if weíre honest.

Wide count was the same. Tyrone took their goal chance Monaghan didn't take their two goal chances first half the difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2018, 05:17:45 PM
One of the poorest semi finals Iíve seen in years in terms of quality. Both sets of players seemed crippled with fear and it was riddled with mistakes. The referee had no control on the game either and also had a shocker.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Carmen Stateside on August 12, 2018, 05:18:47 PM
Made hard work of it.  Very wasteful in front of goals.  Colm Cavanagh was again head and shoulders the best player for Tyrone.
Mc Clure a lucky boy Beggan tried to be the hero at the end instead of moving it on in. I don't know what either player was thinking shooting from where they were.
Good to be back in the final regardless!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: seafoid on August 12, 2018, 05:21:11 PM
A Pyrrhic victory for Throne with the Dubz up next
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 05:22:05 PM
Lucky win for Tyrone. Monghan had their chances to win and will be kicking themselves more so when they watch that game back.
Tyrone had plenty of wasted chances and were the better team, if weíre honest.

Wide count was the same. Tyrone took their goal chance Monaghan didn't take their two goal chances first half the difference.
Why are you making out Tyrone only had one goal chance?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Aughafad on August 12, 2018, 05:22:15 PM
A Pyrrhic victory for Throne with the Dubz up next

i think you need to read the definition of pyrrhic!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 05:24:47 PM
Lucky win for Tyrone. Monghan had their chances to win and will be kicking themselves more so when they watch that game back.
Tyrone had plenty of wasted chances and were the better team, if weíre honest.

Wide count was the same. Tyrone took their goal chance Monaghan didn't take their two goal chances first half the difference.

With two teams matched that evenly the ref can have a big say... and he did. The cavanagh free and the harte one in the first half. Two point swing.

Saying that tyrone should have had the game over after 15 to 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 05:26:21 PM
A Pyrrhic victory for Throne with the Dubz up next

i think you need to read the definition of pyrrhic!

Shocker in seafoid doesn't understand big words he puts in sentences ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Puckoon on August 12, 2018, 05:28:18 PM
Fair play to him for attempting an original thought though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2018, 05:28:28 PM
Lucky win for Tyrone. Monghan had their chances to win and will be kicking themselves more so when they watch that game back.
Tyrone had plenty of wasted chances and were the better team, if weíre honest.
If you were honest you would agree it was a lucky Tyrone win.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Sandy Hill on August 12, 2018, 05:31:46 PM
Two frees given were the difference, one close to half-time and Cavanagh's dive. Seemed all 50/50 went Tyrone's way.

Without a doubt the referee carried Tyrone over the line, a hollow victory. Paddy Power seem to agree ó they have Dublin @ 1/8and Tyrone @ 5/1.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 05:33:23 PM
Lucky win for Tyrone. Monghan had their chances to win and will be kicking themselves more so when they watch that game back.
Tyrone had plenty of wasted chances and were the better team, if weíre honest.
If you were honest you would agree it was a lucky Tyrone win.
Lucky win by the better team. Aye.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 12, 2018, 05:35:38 PM
Maybe i'm alone but i enjoyed that game and would take a contest like that over a team hammering a poorly defensive team any day of the week. I think over the course of the game a draw would have been a fair result. Ref wasn't good for either side as Nolan is a poor ref anyway and in a low scoring game that goal was huge.

If Tyrone defend well in the final (unlike Galway yesterday) i think they will push Dublin all the way.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyCake on August 12, 2018, 05:38:45 PM
It's a bit like England getting to the World Cup final. You don't want them anywhere near it, as they might fluke their way to win the feckin' thing.

I feel a bit like that now, now Tyrone are in the final. But unlike their previous three appearances, I don't think they have enough to trouble their opponents this time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 05:41:49 PM
Maybe i'm alone but i enjoyed that game and would take a contest like that over a team hammering a poorly defensive team any day of the week. I think over the course of the game a draw would have been a fair result. Ref wasn't good for either side as Nolan is a poor ref anyway and in a low scoring game that goal was huge.

If Tyrone defend well in the final (unlike Galway yesterday) i think they will push Dublin all the way.

I would agree that it was enjoyable.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2018, 05:46:41 PM
Two frees given were the difference, one close to half-time and Cavanagh's dive. Seemed all 50/50 went Tyrone's way.

Without a doubt the referee carried Tyrone over the line, a hollow victory. Paddy Power seem to agree ó they have Dublin @ 1/7 and Tyrone @ 11/2.

Tyrone were 7/4 in 08 and won pulling up short. You have to understand the bookies odds Will follow money as much as form.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tyroneman on August 12, 2018, 05:47:03 PM
Two frees given were the difference, one close to half-time and Cavanagh's dive. Seemed all 50/50 went Tyrone's way.

Without a doubt the referee carried Tyrone over the line, a hollow victory. Paddy Power seem to agree ó they have Dublin @ 1/7 and Tyrone @ 11/2.

What utter nonsense. Ref most certainly did not favour Tyrone. Both teams had their chances. Tyrone took (marginally) more.of theirs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: square_ball on August 12, 2018, 05:53:40 PM
As standard when the referee is poor (for both sides) the focus is all on the poor calls given against the team that loses.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 05:55:30 PM
Lucky win for Tyrone. Monghan had their chances to win and will be kicking themselves more so when they watch that game back.
Tyrone had plenty of wasted chances and were the better team, if weíre honest.

Wide count was the same. Tyrone took their goal chance Monaghan didn't take their two goal chances first half the difference.

With two teams matched that evenly the ref can have a big say... and he did. The cavanagh free and the harte one in the first half. Two point swing.

Saying that tyrone should have had the game over after 15 to 20 minutes.

Free given against McAliskey in 1st half too, ended up a score. Was never a free against him. Nudged in the back when going down to lift.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: MayoBuck on August 12, 2018, 05:56:19 PM
Maybe i'm alone but i enjoyed that game and would take a contest like that over a team hammering a poorly defensive team any day of the week. I think over the course of the game a draw would have been a fair result. Ref wasn't good for either side as Nolan is a poor ref anyway and in a low scoring game that goal was huge.

If Tyrone defend well in the final (unlike Galway yesterday) i think they will push Dublin all the way.

I thought it was an enjoyable game too. To be fair, as long as games are close and competitive I wouldn't complain too much. It's all a matter of opinion but I can't understand watching Arsenal v Man City over a game like that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: red hander on August 12, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
A Pyrrhic victory for Throne with the Dubz up next

If you're not in it, you can't win it. Can't see us playing as bad as that against the Dubs. Very nervy shooting-wise. Should have been well ahead at half-time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 12, 2018, 06:36:12 PM
A good while since we saw only 3 mins additional  time which O'Rourke  seems  rightly pissed off with
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 06:44:04 PM
A good while since we saw only 3 mins additional  time which O'Rourke  seems  rightly pissed off with

hes right to be. I thought monaghan were shafted. The worst decision was the barge come dive from cavanagh in the 2nd half.
The ref needs to be wise to that carry on. Mcmanus was taken out of it in the 1st half on the hogan stand sideline. Nothing given and tyrone go down and score. I don't know if there was a free in at the end as I was a long way away from it but regardless of that at this level the players deserve better. I expected 5 mins extra - for that amount of subs, injuries and time wasting that would have been about right
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: bennydorano on August 12, 2018, 06:55:27 PM
The barge / dive was comical, how the ref bought that I'll never know. Cavanagh was superb tho.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 07:14:20 PM
Kieran Hughes made a big difference when he came on, despite some of the daft ball that was lumped in on top of him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Owen Brannigan on August 12, 2018, 07:16:36 PM
The referee was so bad he made yesterday's display look good.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: An Watcher on August 12, 2018, 07:25:38 PM
Tyrone have played better in semi finals and lost so it's great to get over the line.  Much rather head into the final after playing poorly than annihilating the opposition and raising expectations.
Not sure how much of a chance we have but we'll turn up anyway for the craic
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 07:26:25 PM
Hughes should have started, biggest ref blunder was not giving a black card in the first half
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 12, 2018, 07:26:51 PM
The barge / dive was comical, how the ref bought that I'll never know. Cavanagh was superb tho.

The slightly better team lost today.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 12, 2018, 07:27:27 PM
Dublin played poorly yesterday too
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Dublin played poorly yesterday too
for the 1st half. They got their act together in the 2nd half and out on a bit of a show
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 07:30:05 PM
Hughes should have started, biggest ref blunder was not giving a black card in the first half
i think he's been injured all year - maybe there wasnt a full game in him ? Don't remeber that but i do remember that the tyrone full back should have got one. They replaced him shortly after so it didnt matter much
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 07:30:38 PM
The barge / dive was comical, how the ref bought that I'll never know. Cavanagh was superb tho.

The slightly better team lost today.
lol.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 12, 2018, 07:49:17 PM
Kieran Hughes made a big difference when he came on, despite some of the daft ball that was lumped in on top of him.

Not a word of the biggest most obvious dive of the day which was his by the end line.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 07:54:38 PM
Kieran Hughes made a big difference when he came on, despite some of the daft ball that was lumped in on top of him.

Not a word of the biggest most obvious dive of the day which was his by the end line.
:) not a hope. Tyrone got lucky with a ref today who wasn't up to the job and they came out at least 2 points on the right side of his incompetence. Do refs not do research ? Do they not know Cavanagh's party piece ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redzone on August 12, 2018, 07:58:01 PM
Hughes dive at the end was pathetic.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 07:59:29 PM
I agree. Ryan wylie did a black card offense in the first half too so i think they were even on that front and hughes dived at the very end however i really do think the ref swung that game for tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Estimator on August 12, 2018, 08:02:43 PM
The closeness of the game today meant that it was certainly more interesting than yesterdays game. Though the quality wasnít fantastic at all. Poor wides and bad decision making throughout. The amount of lads who lost/dropped/mis-controlled the ball while soloing under no real pressure was unreal.

McAliskey hits a great free off the ground from 40 odd yards under the Hoganstand. Then fires two terrible wides immediately after. Some of the shooting from distance from Monaghan was awful.

Sitting with three other lads all hoping for a Tyrone defeat, and none mentioned the performance of the ref. Bar the Black Card decision for McNamee and Cavanaghís charge. (Barry Cassidy blew against James McCarthy for the same thing yesterday) which he got wrong, I didnít think that he favoured Tyrone. Might have to watch the game back.

I think that Tyrone were the better team. Monaghan struggled to get scores from play at the start of the second half. I think they had the first two opportunities and put them both wide.

Tyrone are in the final and anything can happen. Todayís performance will not be good enough to beat Dublin. And fingers crossed they play like that and Dublin beat them out the gate.  ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: weareros on August 12, 2018, 08:06:08 PM
Enjoyed the game, thought it a great contest from start to finish. I do think Monaghan very unfortunate as the very wrong calls by ref led to 2 or 3 points for Tyrone. In a game of such small margins you have to feel sorry for them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: LilySavage on August 12, 2018, 08:07:07 PM
Monaghan froze. Still only lost by 1. Not sure about the ref giving out. Better team won. Had they taken chances would have been clearcut.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 08:13:27 PM
The closeness of the game today meant that it was certainly more interesting than yesterdays game. Though the quality wasnít fantastic at all. Poor wides and bad decision making throughout. The amount of lads who lost/dropped/mis-controlled the ball while soloing under no real pressure was unreal.

McAliskey hits a great free off the ground from 40 odd yards under the Hoganstand. Then fires two terrible wides immediately after. Some of the shooting from distance from Monaghan was awful.

Sitting with three other lads all hoping for a Tyrone defeat, and none mentioned the performance of the ref. Bar the Black Card decision for McNamee and Cavanaghís charge. (Barry Cassidy blew against James McCarthy for the same thing yesterday) which he got wrong, I didnít think that he favoured Tyrone. Might have to watch the game back.

I think that Tyrone were the better team. Monaghan struggled to get scores from play at the start of the second half. I think they had the first two opportunities and put them both wide.

Tyrone are in the final and anything can happen. Todayís performance will not be good enough to beat Dublin. And fingers crossed they play like that and Dublin beat them out the gate.  ;D
The black card on mcnamee didnt matter as they took him off anyway. Cavanagh's was criticial though. It lead to a point and they won by a point. He also could and probably should have brought the free than beggan missed in closer and given him a retake for the tyrone fellow encroaching. The ref in omagh (rightly) pulled tyrone up for this.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 12, 2018, 08:13:59 PM
The barge / dive was comical, how the ref bought that I'll never know. Cavanagh was superb tho.

The slightly better team lost today.
lol.

I was being serious. The Tyrone goal came totally against the run of play at that stage of the game. Monaghan weíre finishing much the stronger and got most of the scores in the last 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 08:15:49 PM
You cannot say that Monaghan were the better team and be serious at the same time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Over the Bar on August 12, 2018, 08:18:59 PM
Two frees given were the difference, one close to half-time and Cavanagh's dive. Seemed all 50/50 went Tyrone's way.

Without a doubt the referee carried Tyrone over the line, a hollow victory. Paddy Power seem to agree ó they have Dublin @ 1/8and Tyrone @ 5/1.
Dead on Sandy. We'd rather be there than like you scratching our holes on AI final Sunday! Your bitterness shines thru ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 12, 2018, 08:19:23 PM
A very tight game fought out by two teams close enough in merit to each other at this time of the season. The game could have gone either way, though I thought Tyrone deserved the one point victory, just about. When it came to the crunch they took their goal chance well and in a tight game that had a huge effect in the last 1/4.  At the game's death, Beggan struck a hit and hope ball, the worst decision he could have made at that time.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Dire Ear on August 12, 2018, 08:20:35 PM
Good sum-up Estimater, too many bitter biased wnks on here, many mistakes were made and best team won -end of
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: SouthDublinBro on August 12, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Fair play to you Main Street.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: cjx on August 12, 2018, 08:26:51 PM

The closeness of the game today meant that it was certainly more interesting than yesterdays game. Though the quality wasnít fantastic at all. Poor wides and bad decision making throughout. The amount of lads who lost/dropped/mis-controlled the ball while soloing under no real pressure was unreal.

McAlliskey hits a great free off the ground from 40 odd yards under the Hoganstand. Then fires two terrible wides immediately after. Some of the shooting from distance from Monaghan was awful.

Sitting with three other lads all hoping for a Tyrone defeat, and none mentioned the performance of the ref. Bar the Black Card decision for McNamee and Cavanaghís charge. (Barry Cassidy blew against James McCarthy for the same thing yesterday) which he got wrong, I didnít think that he favoured Tyrone. Might have to watch the game back.

I think that Tyrone were the better team. Monaghan struggled to get scores from play at the start of the second half. I think they had the first two opportunities and put them both wide.

Tyrone are in the final and anything can happen. Todayís performance will not be good enough to beat Dublin. And fingers crossed they play like that and Dublin beat them out the gate.  ;D

The quality of the game was awful Tyrone failed frequently in basic skills, had awful decision making and horrendous shot selection on so many occasions with 10 wide but also 7-8 short
If Tyrone play like that Dublin will beat them far worse than last year.  But things don't work that way.

Harte made a mistake not playing the team announced on Thursday night I wanted Lee Brennan to play a full game but he is clearly lazy in turns of Tyrone's system and better coming on as sub.

The early start seemed to leave Kieran McGeary a very slow starter. Let them both work themselves up on the bench then come on at about 40 min as per Donegal.

Into the final (10 drought over) more lessons learned and all to play for.

As a Tyrone supporter today was draining/exhausting from frustration at really bad Tyrone decision making from I believe a mixture of semi-final fear and over confidence about Monaghan
Still the determination in the defense especially Colm Cavanagh was great and Tyrone have got the bad stuff out now and I believe can only get better with Dublin getting arrogant no matter how much Gavin and Sherlock try to prevent it.

It ain't over til its over so on to the Final and a full house with hopefully a few thousand more Tyrone supporters there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 08:27:13 PM
You cannot say that Monaghan were the better team and be serious at the same time.
He (or she) can. on what basis were tyrone the better ? The first 20 mins ? They got a lucky enough goal (well finished mind you) and a few very questionable decisions in their favour. A draw would have been about right and then let the best team go on and win it in extra time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 08:33:58 PM
You cannot say that Monaghan were the better team and be serious at the same time.
He (or she) can. on what basis were tyrone the better ? The first 20 mins ? They got a lucky enough goal (well finished mind you) and a few very questionable decisions in their favour. A draw would have been about right and then let the best team go on and win it in extra time.
Ah, come on. Tyrone played the better football and had more control of the game. Monaghan relied on scrappy, cheap frees to keep them in touch.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 08:36:58 PM
You cannot say that Monaghan were the better team and be serious at the same time.
He (or she) can. on what basis were tyrone the better ? The first 20 mins ? They got a lucky enough goal (well finished mind you) and a few very questionable decisions in their favour. A draw would have been about right and then let the best team go on and win it in extra time.
Ah, come on. Tyrone played the better football and had more control of the game. Monaghan relied on scrappy, cheap frees to keep them in touch.
were we watching different matches. Tyrone were well on top at the start but thats it. Monaghan clawed them back and even got ahead at one stage. There was nothing in it either way. As for the cheap frees comment i take that that is tongue in cheek ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 12, 2018, 08:41:17 PM

The closeness of the game today meant that it was certainly more interesting than yesterdays game. Though the quality wasnít fantastic at all. Poor wides and bad decision making throughout. The amount of lads who lost/dropped/mis-controlled the ball while soloing under no real pressure was unreal.

McAlliskey hits a great free off the ground from 40 odd yards under the Hoganstand. Then fires two terrible wides immediately after. Some of the shooting from distance from Monaghan was awful.

Sitting with three other lads all hoping for a Tyrone defeat, and none mentioned the performance of the ref. Bar the Black Card decision for McNamee and Cavanaghís charge. (Barry Cassidy blew against James McCarthy for the same thing yesterday) which he got wrong, I didnít think that he favoured Tyrone. Might have to watch the game back.

I think that Tyrone were the better team. Monaghan struggled to get scores from play at the start of the second half. I think they had the first two opportunities and put them both wide.

Tyrone are in the final and anything can happen. Todayís performance will not be good enough to beat Dublin. And fingers crossed they play like that and Dublin beat them out the gate.  ;D

The quality of the game was awful Tyrone failed frequently in basic skills, had awful decision making and horrendous shot selection on so many occasions with 10 wide but also 7-8 short
If Tyrone play like that Dublin will beat them far worse than last year.  But things don't work that way.

Harte made a mistake not playing the team announced on Thursday night I wanted Lee Brennan to play a full game but he is clearly lazy in turns of Tyrone's system and better coming on as sub.

The early start seemed to leave Kieran McGeary a very slow starter. Let them both work themselves up on the bench then come on at about 40 min as per Donegal.

Into the final (10 drought over) more lessons learned and all to play for.

As a Tyrone supporter today was draining/exhausting from frustration at really bad Tyrone decision making from I believe a mixture of semi-final fear and over confidence about Monaghan
Still the determination in the defense especially Colm Cavanagh was great and Tyrone have got the bad stuff out now and I believe can only get better with Dublin getting arrogant no matter how much Gavin and Sherlock try to prevent it.

It ain't over til its over so on to the Final and a full house with hopefully a few thousand more Tyrone supporters there.

Don't really know how Tyrone won that. Wides, poor last balls, dropped shorts.....probably one of their worst collective performances this year....luckily Monaghan were as bad.

Exciting stuff though. Pete Harte grabbed the game by the balls after Monaghan hit the front and Colm secured his All Star.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
You cannot say that Monaghan were the better team and be serious at the same time.
He (or she) can. on what basis were tyrone the better ? The first 20 mins ? They got a lucky enough goal (well finished mind you) and a few very questionable decisions in their favour. A draw would have been about right and then let the best team go on and win it in extra time.
Ah, come on. Tyrone played the better football and had more control of the game. Monaghan relied on scrappy, cheap frees to keep them in touch.
were we watching different matches. Tyrone were well on top at the start but thats it. Monaghan clawed them back and even got ahead at one stage. There was nothing in it either way. As for the cheap frees comment i take that that is tongue in cheek ?
I donít mean non-frees but frees given away when they didnít have to be.
Tyrone were the better team today. No question about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 08:48:59 PM
Over 70 minutes they probably , just, deserved to win it. There isn't no question about it though. The goal was debatably fortunate enough. Without it monaghan probably win. tyrone blitzed them for short periods but couldn't sustain it and sure went for a very long time second half without scoring. If there was no question they were the better team that would not have happened.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 08:55:27 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 09:00:18 PM
Tyrone were due a poor performance; they have played a lot of football this summer. The few weeks break will do them good.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Rois on August 12, 2018, 09:00:42 PM
One of our own gaaboarders was on the Marty Squad this evening...well done.

Good man Main street - you typify all of the Monaghan supporters I encountered today.  So so gracious. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 09:01:07 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gold on August 12, 2018, 09:08:19 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 09:13:09 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.

When they took the lead i thought they had a real chance. The rebound for that goal could have went anywhere. Had it went out then monaghan likely would have won.

Anyway doesn't matter now but in most cases if a team is unquestionably better they win by a lot more than one point...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 09:15:35 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.

When they took the lead i thought they had a real chance. The rebound for that goal could have went anywhere. Had it went out then monaghan likely would have won.

Anyway doesn't matter now but in most cases if a team is unquestionably better they win by a lot more than one point...
In most cases.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 12, 2018, 09:16:34 PM
Ref gave Hughes a free late on for what? Couldn't see a foul.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 09:18:15 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
That was a clear push in the back.
McManus is a diving king too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2018, 09:19:17 PM
A wins a win and that was the most nerve wrecking last 5 mins Iíve experienced in a long time. Iím very happy to squeeze into and AI final, with nobody giving us a chance - bring on the Dubs!! Itís such a great feeling to be back in a final. Where would we be without Collie Cav though?

Hard luck to Monaghan, I think Tyrone and Monaghan are virtually at the exact same level and any given day one team may be lucky to be on the right side of a close victory. Thankfully today it was us but I genuinely would like to see this Monaghan team contest an AI final. The Monaghan fans round us (bar one complete arsehole) were brilliant craic and were very magnanimous at the end. They have every right to feel frustrated tonight.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 09:19:45 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Over the Bar on August 12, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them

We love the way our winning makes you sick. Hope you choke on it for years to come....!!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 09:24:08 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.

When they took the lead i thought they had a real chance. The rebound for that goal could have went anywhere. Had it went out then monaghan likely would have won.

Anyway doesn't matter now but in most cases if a team is unquestionably better they win by a lot more than one point...
In most cases.
Well i would diagree with you but each to their own. Also mcmanus should have had 2 more frees than he got. Hampsey kept putting his hands on him. Hughes dives yes but mcmanus I wouldn't say so. He knows how to put his body where he will end up with a free. That is completely different from diving.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2018, 09:31:43 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.

When they took the lead i thought they had a real chance. The rebound for that goal could have went anywhere. Had it went out then monaghan likely would have won.

Anyway doesn't matter now but in most cases if a team is unquestionably better they win by a lot more than one point...
In most cases.
Well i would diagree with you but each to their own. Also mcmanus should have had 2 more frees than he got. Hampsey kept putting his hands on him. Hughes dives yes but mcmanus I wouldn't say so. He knows how to put his body where he will end up with a free. That is completely different from diving.

Oh ffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 12, 2018, 09:33:06 PM
ok to be clearer... On his back. That better?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 12, 2018, 09:36:25 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.
The fact that you mention Hampsey but then fail to mention the exact same thing done to Petey Harte shows that it was more a case of Whoís doing it rather than the action itself thatís caused annoyance.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Over the Bar on August 12, 2018, 09:38:49 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.
Glad to see another bitter sickened!  Hope you were puking at the result!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 09:52:02 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.
Glad to see another bitter sickened!  Hope you were puking at the result!   ;D ;D

naw - this night 2 weeks i'll be laughing
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 09:55:45 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.
Glad to see another bitter sickened!  Hope you were puking at the result!   ;D ;D

naw - this night 2 weeks i'll be laughing
The Pope?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 09:56:49 PM
The Pope will get his comeuppance off the Dubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 12, 2018, 09:56:57 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.
Glad to see another bitter sickened!  Hope you were puking at the result!   ;D ;D

naw - this night 2 weeks i'll be laughing
The Pope?
😄
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 09:57:32 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.
Glad to see another bitter sickened!  Hope you were puking at the result!   ;D ;D

naw - this night 2 weeks i'll be laughing
The Pope?
thought it was a fortnight - either way doesn't matter
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Rois on August 12, 2018, 09:59:01 PM
There was never a stage I thought Monaghan would win.
We'll agree to differ as I thought they would when they went ahead. The atmosphere all around seemed to change too

Unfortunately Tyrone immediately got the goal. Stroke of luck that the deflection from the block landed at Sluddens feet

Small margins decided by the ref. A few of the frees were laughable, well they would be if it wasnt such high stakes and Monaghan might never be back.

Sickened by the diving. Plus say when McManus rolled his man in 2nd half and played the pass soccer style only to be blown back for a non push in the back...Mon went from a 3 on 1 goal chance to Tyrone scoring a point in 30 seconds

Ref awful yesterday too. He was awful in the Dublin Longford game too...giving everything to the Dubs and nothing for Longford....totally buckling to the hill

Seen Dublin 5 times at Croker this year. Cannot see Tyrone stopping them...dont think they have enough. Would love anyone to stop Dublin as would most of the country ...but not Tyrone. Their slabbering (Hampsey to McManus after misses) and diving etc have left the whole country to have no real love for them
Agree and while i want the dubs to win the AI I also see the need for better competition. Not from tyrone though. Impossible to like them with all the carry on that they bring with them. That it goes largely unpunished is the biggest problem.
Glad to see another bitter sickened!  Hope you were puking at the result!   ;D ;D

naw - this night 2 weeks i'll be laughing

Whilst I'm looking forward to it, I'm not expecting that much humour from Francis's sermon...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 10:06:16 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 12, 2018, 10:09:00 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.

No McShane was off at that stage. Didnít have a great day today. Be lucky to hold down his spot I think.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 10:10:04 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 10:10:11 PM
Don't think I've ever seen so many point attempts land inside the field of play before.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 10:11:29 PM
Don't think I've ever seen so many point attempts land inside the field of play before.
Tyrone not used to a massive pitch.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 12, 2018, 10:12:25 PM
Serious bit of fence sitting from the Sunday Game panelists tonight. The old chestnut Ďthe decisions balance themselves outí was thrown about and then trying to justify the 3 minutes added time.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: phpearse on August 12, 2018, 10:12:43 PM
Great to be back in an All Ireland Final. That doesn't happen too often in the history of Tyrone football so it is a tremendous achievement. Credit to the players and management for that.

On the game itself, very much a mixed bag from Tyrone. Looked like they would steamroll Monaghan early on but poor shooting and shot selection kept Monaghan in the game. Then to give away two stupid points in the last minute of the first half. Sloppy pass for the first one and Morgan fluffing his kickout again. It is his role to make sure that all defenders are outside the 21 before taking his kick. That said defenders need to be sprinting outside the 21, to allow the quick kickout. I'm sure Monaghan were wondering how they were level at half time.

Tyrone were poor in the second half. Just about deserved to get over the line but had they lost they would point to Peter Harte messing up his chance and McClure ballooning the ball when in acres of space but when the game needed to be slowed and possession kept. 

Loads for Tyrone to work on for the final but can they even get close to Dublin?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 10:13:01 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.

But the last kick Tyrone had was near the end of the 3 minutes when retaining possession should have been priority. Shot from the sideline was the last thing i expected. Couldnt see who it was.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 12, 2018, 10:13:08 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.

McClure
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fionntamhnach on August 12, 2018, 10:13:22 PM
Whilst I'm looking forward to it, I'm not expecting that much humour from Francis's sermon...
I think straightred has attended the Tony Fearon school of mathematics.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 10:17:12 PM
Don't think I've ever seen so many point attempts land inside the field of play before.
Tyrone not used to a massive pitch.

 ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 12, 2018, 10:18:21 PM
Monaghan bring some noise. Nearly lifted the roof off during the minor game even.

The wemen wouldn't be deadly tho.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 10:19:03 PM
Whilst I'm looking forward to it, I'm not expecting that much humour from Francis's sermon...
I think straightred has attended the Tony Fearon school of mathematics.
:) someone shouted "see you in 2 weeks" on the way out today. I'm not going to the pope so i assumed it was the final  :-\
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: SouthDublinBro on August 12, 2018, 10:19:22 PM
trying to justify the 3 minutes added time.

The only thing that needs to be justified is Malachy O'Rourke's pathetic excuses in the post match-interview. It's a f**king sad state of affairs when Main Street is genuinely more gracious and charitable after the game than the county manager.

Hughes has always been a joke so I wasn't surprised at his interview, but O'Rourke should have been classier.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 10:22:46 PM
trying to justify the 3 minutes added time.

The only thing that needs to be justified is Malachy O'Rourke's pathetic excuses in the post match-interview. It's a f**king sad state of affairs when Main Street is genuinely more gracious and charitable after the game than the county manager.

Hughes has always been a joke so I wasn't surprised at his interview, but O'Rourke should have been classier.

you again. honestly what did monaghan do to you.

Murphy was about to tell it as it was but decided at the last moment to sit on the fence. Sensible choice by him but the point was made - he thought monaghan were shafted.

At least orourke and hughes have the courage and dignity to do interviews unlike you know who
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 10:27:49 PM
trying to justify the 3 minutes added time.

The only thing that needs to be justified is Malachy O'Rourke's pathetic excuses in the post match-interview. It's a f**king sad state of affairs when Main Street is genuinely more gracious and charitable after the game than the county manager.

Hughes has always been a joke so I wasn't surprised at his interview, but O'Rourke should have been classier.

you again. honestly what did monaghan do to you.

Murphy was about to tell it as it was but decided at the last moment to sit on the fence. Sensible choice by him but the point was made - he thought monaghan were shafted.

At least orourke and hughes have the courage and dignity to do interviews unlike you know who
Lol
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: SouthDublinBro on August 12, 2018, 10:33:04 PM
Malachy is a sore loser. A bitter man.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Throw ball on August 12, 2018, 10:35:35 PM
trying to justify the 3 minutes added time.

The only thing that needs to be justified is Malachy O'Rourke's pathetic excuses in the post match-interview. It's a f**king sad state of affairs when Main Street is genuinely more gracious and charitable after the game than the county manager.

Hughes has always been a joke so I wasn't surprised at his interview, but O'Rourke should have been classier.

you again. honestly what did monaghan do to you.

Murphy was about to tell it as it was but decided at the last moment to sit on the fence. Sensible choice by him but the point was made - he thought monaghan were shafted.

At least orourke and hughes have the courage and dignity to do interviews unlike you know who

Great to hear people actually say what they think. On many occasions you just get something as interesting as a Mickey Harte interview on RTE.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 10:38:21 PM
Malachy is a sore loser. A bitter man.
you couldn't be more wrong.

I've heard that he is hugely respected by players and management the length and breath of the country. He does all the media stuff with good grace and he actually says stuff of real substance unlike some of the bland nonsense that gets trotted out (and yes I include Gavin in that). He was clearly frustrated today and rightly so IMO. Calling him bitter is out of order.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2018, 10:39:55 PM
trying to justify the 3 minutes added time.

The only thing that needs to be justified is Malachy O'Rourke's pathetic excuses in the post match-interview. It's a f**king sad state of affairs when Main Street is genuinely more gracious and charitable after the game than the county manager.

Hughes has always been a joke so I wasn't surprised at his interview, but O'Rourke should have been classier.

you again. honestly what did monaghan do to you.

Murphy was about to tell it as it was but decided at the last moment to sit on the fence. Sensible choice by him but the point was made - he thought monaghan were shafted.

At least orourke and hughes have the courage and dignity to do interviews unlike you know who

Courage and dignity? Wtf are you on about?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2018, 10:44:23 PM
Seriously salty interview from Hughes after the game. Really don't think they have much to complain about as pointed out by the panel.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: cjx on August 12, 2018, 11:00:29 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2018, 11:04:29 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!

You do realise Tyrone are currently sat in an All Ireland final?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 11:06:23 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Kicking these points was Stephen OíNeillís game. Youíd imagine heíd be encouraging them to shoot on sight as he did.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 12, 2018, 11:07:05 PM
I felt a wee bit sorry for Monaghan post game. I thought the ref was poor and got lots of decisions wrong.

As is the norm a lot of focus on the ones that hindered the losing side.

However Tyrone had lots of harsh calls go against them too. The two that I can't believe are not mentioned were firstly the Monaghan number 4, Fintan Kelly I think with a clear trip on the Cuasck Pk side line. The ref blew for a free so he clearly seen it.

Secondly Beggan came out one time and misjudged a high ball taking the Tyrone man (McAliskey I think) clean out of it. Again a clear free kick.

Commiserations to Monaghan. I think they deserved a draw to be honest.

For the final, Tyrone need the perfect performance. Anything less and we lose. Even perfect might not be enough!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 11:15:22 PM
Darren Hughes makes it difficult to have any sympathy for Monaghan. They are sore losers. Think back to the yapping when Cavanagh fouled McManus or when Hughes hit McCann; can never just take it on the chin.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 11:20:03 PM
Darren Hughes makes it difficult to have any sympathy for Monaghan. They are sore losers. Think back to the yapping when Cavanagh fouled McManus or when Hughes hit McCann; can never just take it on the chin.
remind me of that one. I'm surprised you're brave enough to bring it up.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 11:22:03 PM
He smacked him straight on the fringe ffs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Sandy Hill on August 12, 2018, 11:24:30 PM
He smacked him straight on the fringe ffs.

Far worse than that, he ruffled his fringe!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 11:24:41 PM
I felt a wee bit sorry for Monaghan post game. I thought the ref was poor and got lots of decisions wrong.

As is the norm a lot of focus on the ones that hindered the losing side.

However Tyrone had lots of harsh calls go against them too. The two that I can't believe are not mentioned were firstly the Monaghan number 4, Fintan Kelly I think with a clear trip on the Cuasck Pk side line. The ref blew for a free so he clearly seen it.

Secondly Beggan came out one time and misjudged a high ball taking the Tyrone man (McAliskey I think) clean out of it. Again a clear free kick.

Commiserations to Monaghan. I think they deserved a draw to be honest.

For the final, Tyrone need the perfect performance. Anything less and we lose. Even perfect might not be enough!
Dont know about the black card - maybe the one with Wylie? They can replace him anyway so it doesn't matter all that much.

Never a free on beggan though. The tyrone lad ran into him looking for a free as he knew the ball was dead. Dublin got one given agaainst them last night (rightly) for a similar incident but in that case the ball could have been won
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 11:28:01 PM
I felt a wee bit sorry for Monaghan post game. I thought the ref was poor and got lots of decisions wrong.

As is the norm a lot of focus on the ones that hindered the losing side.

However Tyrone had lots of harsh calls go against them too. The two that I can't believe are not mentioned were firstly the Monaghan number 4, Fintan Kelly I think with a clear trip on the Cuasck Pk side line. The ref blew for a free so he clearly seen it.

Secondly Beggan came out one time and misjudged a high ball taking the Tyrone man (McAliskey I think) clean out of it. Again a clear free kick.

Commiserations to Monaghan. I think they deserved a draw to be honest.

For the final, Tyrone need the perfect performance. Anything less and we lose. Even perfect might not be enough!
Dont know about the black card - maybe the one with Wylie? They can replace him anyway so it doesn't matter all that much.

Never a free on beggan though. The tyrone lad ran into him looking for a free as he knew the ball was dead. Dublin got one given agaainst them last night (rightly) for a similar incident but in that case the ball could have been won
The ball wasnít dead. McAliskey was stood under it. Beggan moved out to it.

Edit: You are talking about a different incident which also could have been a free in.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 12, 2018, 11:29:04 PM
Monaghan got a few very dubious frees too. The scuffed shot from McManus that ended up in a 50/50 high ball plus the one against McAliskey that Beggan scored. Both werent frees.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 12, 2018, 11:30:02 PM
I felt a wee bit sorry for Monaghan post game. I thought the ref was poor and got lots of decisions wrong.

As is the norm a lot of focus on the ones that hindered the losing side.

However Tyrone had lots of harsh calls go against them too. The two that I can't believe are not mentioned were firstly the Monaghan number 4, Fintan Kelly I think with a clear trip on the Cuasck Pk side line. The ref blew for a free so he clearly seen it.

Secondly Beggan came out one time and misjudged a high ball taking the Tyrone man (McAliskey I think) clean out of it. Again a clear free kick.

Commiserations to Monaghan. I think they deserved a draw to be honest.

For the final, Tyrone need the perfect performance. Anything less and we lose. Even perfect might not be enough!
Dont know about the black card - maybe the one with Wylie? They can replace him anyway so it doesn't matter all that much.

Never a free on beggan though. The tyrone lad ran into him looking for a free as he knew the ball was dead. Dublin got one given agaainst them last night (rightly) for a similar incident but in that case the ball could have been won
The ball wasnít dead. McAliskey was stood under it. Beggan moved out to it.
naw - i was down that end and actually thought the ref would buy it. He didn't. One of the few close calls he got right. Anyway Oiche mhaith.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 12, 2018, 11:36:15 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Kicking these points was Stephen OíNeillís game. Youíd imagine heíd be encouraging them to shoot on sight as he did.

Wasn't it as s pioneer pin wearing yes man he was brought in.

Cos if it had to do with football he nor anyone else won't be listened to
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2018, 11:40:32 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Kicking these points was Stephen OíNeillís game. Youíd imagine heíd be encouraging them to shoot on sight as he did.

Wasn't it as s pioneer pin wearing yes man he was brought in.

Cos if it had to do with football he nor anyone else won't be listened to

What in the name of jaysus are you on about?!? You boys must be sick the night. An embarrassment to your county.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 12, 2018, 11:41:50 PM
I felt a wee bit sorry for Monaghan post game. I thought the ref was poor and got lots of decisions wrong.

As is the norm a lot of focus on the ones that hindered the losing side.

However Tyrone had lots of harsh calls go against them too. The two that I can't believe are not mentioned were firstly the Monaghan number 4, Fintan Kelly I think with a clear trip on the Cuasck Pk side line. The ref blew for a free so he clearly seen it.

Secondly Beggan came out one time and misjudged a high ball taking the Tyrone man (McAliskey I think) clean out of it. Again a clear free kick.

Commiserations to Monaghan. I think they deserved a draw to be honest.

For the final, Tyrone need the perfect performance. Anything less and we lose. Even perfect might not be enough!
Dont know about the black card - maybe the one with Wylie? They can replace him anyway so it doesn't matter all that much.

Never a free on beggan though. The tyrone lad ran into him looking for a free as he knew the ball was dead. Dublin got one given agaainst them last night (rightly) for a similar incident but in that case the ball could have been won

It was Ryan Wylie.

The 2 x Tyrone men closest were Brennan and whoever was tripped. Can't mind now who.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 12, 2018, 11:42:53 PM

Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Kicking these points was Stephen OíNeillís game. Youíd imagine heíd be encouraging them to shoot on sight as he did.

Wasn't it as s pioneer pin wearing yes man he was brought in.

Cos if it had to do with football he nor anyone else won't be listened to

Youíre friggin right. A relatively recent ďAll Ireland, All Star, Player of the YearĒ winning retired forward has no business coaching forwards in todayís game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2018, 11:46:31 PM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Kicking these points was Stephen OíNeillís game. Youíd imagine heíd be encouraging them to shoot on sight as he did.

Wasn't it as s pioneer pin wearing yes man he was brought in.

Cos if it had to do with football he nor anyone else won't be listened to

You are a feckin nut job. 😂
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 12, 2018, 11:47:01 PM

Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Kicking these points was Stephen OíNeillís game. Youíd imagine heíd be encouraging them to shoot on sight as he did.

Wasn't it as s pioneer pin wearing yes man he was brought in.

Cos if it had to do with football he nor anyone else won't be listened to

Youíre friggin right. A relatively recent ďAll Ireland, All Star, Player of the YearĒ winning retired forward has no business coaching forwards in todayís game.

Get Muggsy then.....

Is  Stephen  not cut om the same cloth as Harte and won't challenge  MH.

And I am not questioning his playing ability st all but meind me who he has managed.

Any forwards coach will struggle under MH. But ye are in the final and nobody else can now beat Dublin so well done

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 12, 2018, 11:49:59 PM
Hughes is an embarrassment but going by the gulpins from monaghan around me today being a whining little bitch is all the rage there.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2018, 11:50:59 PM

Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Kicking these points was Stephen OíNeillís game. Youíd imagine heíd be encouraging them to shoot on sight as he did.

Wasn't it as s pioneer pin wearing yes man he was brought in.

Cos if it had to do with football he nor anyone else won't be listened to

Youíre friggin right. A relatively recent ďAll Ireland, All Star, Player of the YearĒ winning retired forward has no business coaching forwards in todayís game.

Get Muggsy then.....

Is  Stephen  not cut om the same cloth as Harte and won't challenge  MH.

And I am not questioning his p,sting ability st all but meind me who he has managed

Thank you for your valuable input on who you think Tyrone should have in their backroom staff.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: BennyHarp on August 12, 2018, 11:51:30 PM

Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!
Kicking these points was Stephen OíNeillís game. Youíd imagine heíd be encouraging them to shoot on sight as he did.

Wasn't it as s pioneer pin wearing yes man he was brought in.

Cos if it had to do with football he nor anyone else won't be listened to

Youíre friggin right. A relatively recent ďAll Ireland, All Star, Player of the YearĒ winning retired forward has no business coaching forwards in todayís game.

Get Muggsy then.....

Is  Stephen  not cut om the same cloth as Harte and won't challenge  MH.

And I am not questioning his p,sting ability st all but meind me who he has managed

For the second time tonight. You people do realise that Tyrone are sat in the All Ireland final, donít you?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 12, 2018, 11:52:27 PM
Hughes is an embarrassment but going by the gulpins from monaghan around me today being a whining little bitch is all the rage there.

Aww some of them were shocking. Makes it hard to pity them.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 12, 2018, 11:58:30 PM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 12:03:48 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....
Surely Colm Cavanagh is the only All Ireland winner amongst them?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: armaghniac on August 13, 2018, 12:05:26 AM
Hughes is an embarrassment but going by the gulpins from monaghan around me today being a whining little bitch is all the rage there.

Tyrone class always shows through.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 13, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....
Surely Colm Cavanagh is the only All Ireland winner amongst them?

Ray Silke  captained a team to win one. Still was a shite footballer....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 12:10:28 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....
Surely Colm Cavanagh is the only All Ireland winner amongst them?

Ray Silke  captained a team to win one. Still was a shite footballer....
Iíd say Colm Cavanagh is a good contender for footballer of the year.

Of all the Tyrone players you could have picked, I think youíve failed.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 13, 2018, 12:14:45 AM
He gives hope to loads of mullickers anyways to stick at it...

And  we could do with a dog like him in Roscommon....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Unlaoised on August 13, 2018, 12:18:05 AM
Was hoping Tyrone  would win because they will rattle the dubs....the did eventually
But my God the ref rode monaghan ....rode them

Still at least we might get a competitive final in the football

Nolan from wicklow your a horror show of a ref ...for both sides in the first half but in the second half it was like i cant have Tyrone loosing ...

Thank God tho Tyrone got over the line because Dublin would have monaghan for 16 points plus
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 12:19:12 AM
He gives hope to loads of mullickers anyways to stick at it...

And  we could do with a dog like him in Roscommon....
Yis would be some outfit then.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 12:19:47 AM
Was hoping Tyrone  would win because they will rattle the did ....
But my God the ref rode monaghan ....rode them

Still at least we might get a competitive final in the football
Didny.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Unlaoised on August 13, 2018, 12:24:50 AM
Was hoping Tyrone  would win because they will rattle the did ....
But my God the ref rode monaghan ....rode them

Still at least we might get a competitive final in the football
Didny.

Monaghan are right to criticise the ref i would if i had any connection

But just glad Tyrone got over the line
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 12:29:26 AM
Was hoping Tyrone  would win because they will rattle the did ....
But my God the ref rode monaghan ....rode them

Still at least we might get a competitive final in the football
Didny.

Monaghan are right to criticise the ref i would if i had any connection

But just glad Tyrone got over the line
6 of 1....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 13, 2018, 12:38:20 AM
Monaghan got rode both games by ref.......

Be interesting senior final, 2 teams / managers who get  sympathetic reffing
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Unlaoised on August 13, 2018, 12:51:59 AM
Was hoping Tyrone  would win because they will rattle the did ....
But my God the ref rode monaghan ....rode them

Still at least we might get a competitive final in the football
Didny.

Monaghan are right to criticise the ref i would if i had any connection

But just glad Tyrone got over the line
6 of 1....

Half a dozen ......

f**k me tho i watched the game on sky simply to piss of the mother in law ...

Just watched back the sunday game murphy was bursting to say monaghan were robbed even tried to make a point about injury time ....Whelan off camera trys to get Des to stop him .....

Watch it back it back lads ...Gouch in a clilp says a free for a dont know what it would be just be his good nature and then realizes i shouldnt have said that .....

Monaghan were RODE  in the second half  but the ref wrongly brought them into the game in the first half

Nolan from wicklow was poor .so poor its not even funny and
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 13, 2018, 01:09:45 AM
Was hoping Tyrone  would win because they will rattle the did ....
But my God the ref rode monaghan ....rode them

Still at least we might get a competitive final in the football
Didny.

Monaghan are right to criticise the ref i would if i had any connection

But just glad Tyrone got over the line
6 of 1....
Tyronies can hold fire while Hardstation  fights all corners, both imagined and real, with a blind fawning fanaticism  ::)

Anyone with a smidgin of football sense could observe that both teams similarly misfired, made similar poor decisions, even at the last play of the  game an astoundingly  poor decision by a Tyrone player under no active pressure  handed back possession to Monaghan who then proceeded  to balls up, again under no active pressure. I couldn't give a toss about the quality of football, that was an absorbing  scrap of a game, intense from beginning to end, decided by an intangible.

You could see  how flashes of Tyrone's game could trouble Dublin in the final, though i'd suspect there would need to be a repeat reappearance of the unexpected 2008 1/4 final inquisition to fully knock Dublin off their perch.
.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 13, 2018, 06:38:17 AM
One of our own gaaboarders was on the Marty Squad this evening...well done.

Good man Main street - you typify all of the Monaghan supporters I encountered today.  So so gracious.

Was that him with the Dublin accent?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redhandefender on August 13, 2018, 07:32:26 AM
Incredibly embarrassed for some monaghan folk and their fermanagh man blaming the ref after the game. I thought both teams were poor but we should have been out of sight by half time.

Decky mc clure kicking the ball away at the end was unforgivable. Mickey got it spot on yesterday his players let him down.

But good way to go in v the dubs. No hype

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Erne Man on August 13, 2018, 07:46:59 AM
I thought both teams showed the effects of a tough run of games over the past number of weeks, and the game reflected that. Monaghan turned over possession countless times in both halves carrying ball into contact which is unlike them. Tyrone didnít seem to break with the same pace and direction as they normally do in those situations. Both sides kicked numerous bad wides, and some of the decision making was awful.
Tyrone should have been out of sight at half time, and were particularly wasteful - McAlliskey hit a great free, and missed two terrible efforts from play after that. I lost count of Burns wides and couldnít understand why when he had time and was in space seemed to always turn onto his left - he is a right footer?
Monaghan got themselves together in the second half, and when they got their noses in front I thought they would push on. Only for the fortunate goal, albeit a good finish from Sludden, Tyrone were struggling to get anything together up front - only Harte showed up in the second half.
I thought ref was poor for both teams - I was sitting in a Monaghan section and to be fair there was no immediate reaction after the game on the ref. I thought in the last incident that Hughes took a dive - and ref was probably influenced by him doing something similar a few minutes earlier.
Tyrone will benefit from 3 weeks to prepare for the final, and after yesterday they will need it. The changes before the game didnít work - Brennan couldnít get into the game at all. Bradley looks a player who can get settled into a game more quickly, and would expect Brennan to start on the bench in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 13, 2018, 07:53:47 AM
Incredibly embarrassed for some monaghan folk and their fermanagh man blaming the ref after the game. I thought both teams were poor but we should have been out of sight by half time.

Decky mc clure kicking the ball away at the end was unforgivable. Mickey got it spot on yesterday his players let him down.

But good way to go in v the dubs. No hype

Youíre embarrassed by that but not at all embarrassed at the diving antics of tyrone players. Laughable.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulster’s heart aisf 2018
Post by: haranguerer on August 13, 2018, 08:22:43 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

 ;D You joker. If he's average I'd like to see who you think is good!

Most of the 50/50s seemed to go Tyrones way (and one or two that weren't even 50/50 - how did mcmanus not get a free for being slapped in the face, which the ref had to see because he stopped play for treatment!). Perhaps in isolation certain incidents could be argued but when put together it did seem as though monaghan were hard done by. In a 1 pt game every one of these incidents are important.

Fair play to Tyrone though, hopefully we can look forward to a great final - Dubs are there for the taking
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 08:34:18 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

Most of the 50/50s seemed to go Tyrones way (and one or two that weren't even 50/50 - how did mcmanus not get a free for being slapped in the face, which the ref had to see because he stopped play for treatment!).
Was that in the 1st half? He did get a free which was taken by someone else. It was strangely kicked backwards then given to the free taker who was now in a more difficult position and he kicked it over. Wasnít much of a free either.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2018, 08:35:58 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

Most of the 50/50s seemed to go Tyrones way (and one or two that weren't even 50/50 - how did mcmanus not get a free for being slapped in the face, which the ref had to see because he stopped play for treatment!).
Was that in the 1st half? He did get a free which was taken by someone else. It was strangely kicked backwards then given to the free taker who was now in a more difficult position and he kicked it over. Wasnít much of a free either.

Indirect free kick after a head injury so he had to pass it before shooting.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 08:53:31 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

Most of the 50/50s seemed to go Tyrones way (and one or two that weren't even 50/50 - how did mcmanus not get a free for being slapped in the face, which the ref had to see because he stopped play for treatment!).
Was that in the 1st half? He did get a free which was taken by someone else. It was strangely kicked backwards then given to the free taker who was now in a more difficult position and he kicked it over. Wasnít much of a free either.

Indirect free kick after a head injury so he had to pass it before shooting.
I thought he was given the free.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: sam03/05 on August 13, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
The ref gave as many poor decisions against Tyrone as he did Monaghan
The Monaghan big decision came at the end and it was never a free as Hughes was all over him. So he made the right call on that one. As for extra time, there was very little injuries in the game. He played the right amount as the subs made as shown on the Sunday Game last night. As well as that he played an extra 40 seconds over the 3 minutes.
Overall the ref was poor for both teams and itís sour grapes from Monaghan.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 09:03:29 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

Most of the 50/50s seemed to go Tyrones way (and one or two that weren't even 50/50 - how did mcmanus not get a free for being slapped in the face, which the ref had to see because he stopped play for treatment!).
Was that in the 1st half? He did get a free which was taken by someone else. It was strangely kicked backwards then given to the free taker who was now in a more difficult position and he kicked it over. Wasnít much of a free either.
Mcmanus got a slap in the head that the ref thought wasn't worthy of a proper free but he did think it worthy of stopping the game for a head injury. Go figure ?
In any case the rule is that the team in possession get an in-direct free. Monaghan worked a point out of it in spite of the ref
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 09:05:06 AM
The ref gave as many poor decisions against Tyrone as he did Monaghan
The Monaghan big decision came at the end and it was never a free as Hughes was all over him. So he made the right call on that one. As for extra time, there was very little injuries in the game. He played the right amount as the subs made as shown on the Sunday Game last night. As well as that he played an extra 40 seconds over the 3 minutes.
Overall the ref was poor for both teams and itís sour grapes from Monaghan.
The sunday game go out of their way to balance the books. Its not proper analysis. Give me the soccer analysts any day - they aren't afraid to call it as it is
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: highorlow on August 13, 2018, 09:05:12 AM
I'd like to have seen the Morgan incident before half time. The ref pulled him on something like the ball moving when he was taking a kick out? Cost Tyrone a point and cost me my HT/FT bet.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 09:07:50 AM
Hughes is an embarrassment but going by the gulpins from monaghan around me today being a whining little bitch is all the rage there.
WTF is a gulpin.

I was in 311 with my 15yr old and his friend. We had the pleasure of a tyrone screamer behind. If i knew what a gulpin was i suspect she was one
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2018, 09:16:23 AM
Hughes is an embarrassment but going by the gulpins from monaghan around me today being a whining little bitch is all the rage there.
WTF is a gulpin.

I was in 311 with my 15yr old and his friend. We had the pleasure of a tyrone screamer behind. If i knew what a gulpin was i suspect she was one

She probably was. Monaghan gulpins are a whole other breed of gulpin though. Usually seen sporting a subaru jacket and listening to Marty Mone. Will have a passionate hatred for all things Tyrone.  ;)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 09:18:12 AM
I'd like to have seen the Morgan incident before half time. The ref pulled him on something like the ball moving when he was taking a kick out? Cost Tyrone a point and cost me my HT/FT bet.
Took it well before the 13m line.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: haranguerer on August 13, 2018, 09:22:34 AM
That generally isn't an issue. The ball was moving which I'd say was a bigger one
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: haranguerer on August 13, 2018, 09:27:19 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

Most of the 50/50s seemed to go Tyrones way (and one or two that weren't even 50/50 - how did mcmanus not get a free for being slapped in the face, which the ref had to see because he stopped play for treatment!).
Was that in the 1st half? He did get a free which was taken by someone else. It was strangely kicked backwards then given to the free taker who was now in a more difficult position and he kicked it over. Wasnít much of a free either.

He kicked it back because a free wasn't awarded for the slap. Monaghan were in possession so retained it, but he couldn't shoot directly. it was an incredible decision, and in keeping how he was all day.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: haranguerer on August 13, 2018, 09:33:39 AM
The ref gave as many poor decisions against Tyrone as he did Monaghan
The Monaghan big decision came at the end and it was never a free as Hughes was all over him. So he made the right call on that one. As for extra time, there was very little injuries in the game. He played the right amount as the subs made as shown on the Sunday Game last night. As well as that he played an extra 40 seconds over the 3 minutes.
Overall the ref was poor for both teams and itís sour grapes from Monaghan.

The 'monaghan big decision' came before that when he gave a nothing free against mcmanus (who he seems to dislike) when it would have resulted in an 3 to 1 situation for a goal. Instead Tyrone went up the field and got a point.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 09:35:35 AM
The ref gave as many poor decisions against Tyrone as he did Monaghan
The Monaghan big decision came at the end and it was never a free as Hughes was all over him. So he made the right call on that one. As for extra time, there was very little injuries in the game. He played the right amount as the subs made as shown on the Sunday Game last night. As well as that he played an extra 40 seconds over the 3 minutes.
Overall the ref was poor for both teams and itís sour grapes from Monaghan.

The 'monaghan big decision' came before that when he gave a nothing free against mcmanus (who he seems to dislike) when it would have resulted in an 3 to 1 situation for a goal. Instead Tyrone went up the field and got a point.
He shouldered him in the back.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: haranguerer on August 13, 2018, 09:40:26 AM
Have you a video of it there?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 09:41:04 AM
Have you a video of it there?
I donít.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 13, 2018, 09:49:55 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

Most of the 50/50s seemed to go Tyrones way (and one or two that weren't even 50/50 - how did mcmanus not get a free for being slapped in the face, which the ref had to see because he stopped play for treatment!).
Was that in the 1st half? He did get a free which was taken by someone else. It was strangely kicked backwards then given to the free taker who was now in a more difficult position and he kicked it over. Wasnít much of a free either.

Indirect free kick after a head injury so he had to pass it before shooting.

 ???
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: The Subbie on August 13, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
I wonder will Malachy OíRourke hang around for another year?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: highorlow on August 13, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
Thanks.

I don't think Monagahan can have much complaints on the ref. They got away with a few throw passes during the match. They lacked another forward to help McManus.

Tyrone were brilliant in midfield, even that lad number 20 that came on fielded a great ball towards the end.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: extra time on August 13, 2018, 10:06:19 AM
The line ball before the goal should have been a Monaghan ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Unlaoised on August 13, 2018, 10:10:59 AM
The line ball before the goal should have been a Monaghan ball.

Yes that was as clear as day ...very very poor call ...

He was bad for both sides but the big calls went against the Farney county for sure...I can see how they were a bit aggrieved at the end.

To be so close to an All ireland when a better ref might or might not made a massive difference.

McManaus never so much as got a thing of Nolan all day as a previous poster said its as if he didn't like him ...

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: smort on August 13, 2018, 10:15:50 AM
The line ball before the goal should have been a Monaghan ball.

Yes that was as clear as day ...very very poor call ...

He was bad for both sides but the big calls went against the Farney county for sure...I can see how they were a bit aggrieved at the end.

To be so close to an All ireland when a better ref might or might not made a massive difference.

McManaus never so much as got a thing of Nolan all day as a previous poster said its as if he didn't like him ...

Pretty sure the referee gave a free to Tyrone for a barge in the back rather than a line ball in the build up to the goal
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: NAG1 on August 13, 2018, 10:17:36 AM
The line ball before the goal should have been a Monaghan ball.

Yes that was as clear as day ...very very poor call ...

He was bad for both sides but the big calls went against the Farney county for sure...I can see how they were a bit aggrieved at the end.

To be so close to an All ireland when a better ref might or might not made a massive difference.

McManaus never so much as got a thing of Nolan all day as a previous poster said its as if he didn't like him ...

Think you will find he got a very handy one in the first half, when he played for by stopping his run so the Tyrone man had no where to go. Scoreable free too if my memory serves me right.

Think the most blatant one was Colly Cav toward the end, throwing himself at the Monagahan defender, never was a free and if anything a free out for charging. Definitely would feel agrrieved about that one.

But all being said if Beggan would have held his head and played a pass and worked a chance they could have tied the game up. If he isnt capable of making decisions under pressure why the hell was he out of his goal in the first place. Terrible decision.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: The Subbie on August 13, 2018, 10:19:52 AM
Thanks.

I don't think Monagahan can have much complaints on the ref. They got away with a few throw passes during the match. They lacked another forward to help McManus.

Tyrone were brilliant in midfield, even that lad number 20 that came on fielded a great ball towards the end.

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Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redzone on August 13, 2018, 10:21:47 AM
The line ball before the goal should have been a Monaghan ball.

Yes that was as clear as day ...very very poor call ...

He was bad for both sides but the big calls went against the Farney county for sure...I can see how they were a bit aggrieved at the end.

To be so close to an All ireland when a better ref might or might not made a massive difference.

McManaus never so much as got a thing of Nolan all day as a previous poster said its as if he didn't like him ...

Pretty sure the referee gave a free to Tyrone for a barge in the back rather than a line ball in the build up to the goal

Yes it was a free rather than a sideline ball. But clowns like above in their haste blame the ref can't see the game in front of themselves. Beggan has been the hero for Monaghan before but yesterday he ducked up big time and must be held accountable rather than the ref
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: An Watcher on August 13, 2018, 10:33:06 AM
Ref was poor for both sides and there are loads of examples.  Bevan was lucky in one instance when he barged into the back of mcaliskey to ensure the ball went out of play.  Tyrone man was never getting it but beggan made a hash of it and risked giving a free away.  Never a free at the end.  Why would a tyrone Tyrone man risk doing that at the end
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 10:39:29 AM
The line ball before the goal should have been a Monaghan ball.

Yes that was as clear as day ...very very poor call ...

He was bad for both sides but the big calls went against the Farney county for sure...I can see how they were a bit aggrieved at the end.

To be so close to an All ireland when a better ref might or might not made a massive difference.

McManaus never so much as got a thing of Nolan all day as a previous poster said its as if he didn't like him ...

Pretty sure the referee gave a free to Tyrone for a barge in the back rather than a line ball in the build up to the goal

Yes it was a free rather than a sideline ball. But clowns like above in their haste blame the ref can't see the game in front of themselves. Beggan has been the hero for Monaghan before but yesterday he ducked up big time and must be held accountable rather than the ref
No it wasn't  :) The linesman got it wrong but it was a very close call so i wouldn't mind that too much. It was a lineball though.

Its never a good sign when there is so much talk about a ref. it was as bad yesterday as Mayo Kerry in Limerick or Dubiln Kerry in croker a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2018, 10:47:06 AM
I'd like to have seen the Morgan incident before half time. The ref pulled him on something like the ball moving when he was taking a kick out? Cost Tyrone a point and cost me my HT/FT bet.
Took it well before the 13m line.

Hampsey wasn't outside the 21 when the ball was kicked. That's the 3rd time it's happened this year!! Silly thing to get caught on because it's not as if hampsey was even looking the ball.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: sensethetone on August 13, 2018, 10:57:57 AM
I thought the ref was poor for letting Monaghan over-carry regularly around mid-way through the second half. It helped swing momentum Monaghan's way to get the scores to equalise.

Hughes non free was exactly that, he tried the same thing maybe 5 mins before hand and got a soft one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 13, 2018, 11:00:37 AM
I'd like to have seen the Morgan incident before half time. The ref pulled him on something like the ball moving when he was taking a kick out? Cost Tyrone a point and cost me my HT/FT bet.
Took it well before the 13m line.

Hampsey wasn't outside the 21 when the ball was kicked. That's the 3rd time it's happened this year!! Silly thing to get caught on because it's not as if hampsey was even looking the ball.
Iím near sure all players were outside.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 11:09:24 AM
I'd like to have seen the Morgan incident before half time. The ref pulled him on something like the ball moving when he was taking a kick out? Cost Tyrone a point and cost me my HT/FT bet.
Took it well before the 13m line.

Hampsey wasn't outside the 21 when the ball was kicked. That's the 3rd time it's happened this year!! Silly thing to get caught on because it's not as if hampsey was even looking the ball.
Iím near sure all players were outside.
The ball was moving, it wasn't on the 13m line, maybe a player wasn't outside the 20 as well. There was numerous things wrong with it
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 13, 2018, 11:31:54 AM
Thanks.

I don't think Monagahan can have much complaints on the ref. They got away with a few throw passes during the match. They lacked another forward to help McManus.

Tyrone were brilliant in midfield, even that lad number 20 that came on fielded a great ball towards the end.

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Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 11:33:26 AM
I thought the ref was poor for letting Monaghan over-carry regularly around mid-way through the second half. It helped swing momentum Monaghan's way to get the scores to equalise.

Hughes non free was exactly that, he tried the same thing maybe 5 mins before hand and got a soft one.

Hughes contribution was the wrestling off the ball he started that won a free, the worst dive for a few years that the Tyrone haters here seem to have missed and at the end another attempt to buy a free with him starting off the ball wrestling. Delighted for him because he's a whiney bitch then after about it all and was in 2015 too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 11:36:11 AM
I'd like to have seen the Morgan incident before half time. The ref pulled him on something like the ball moving when he was taking a kick out? Cost Tyrone a point and cost me my HT/FT bet.
Took it well before the 13m line.

Hampsey wasn't outside the 21 when the ball was kicked. That's the 3rd time it's happened this year!! Silly thing to get caught on because it's not as if hampsey was even looking the ball.
Iím near sure all players were outside.
The ball was moving, it wasn't on the 13m line, maybe a player wasn't outside the 20 as well. There was numerous things wrong with it

Ball was fine where it was and the player was miles outside the twenty. Possible that the ball was just moving but like all these decisions against Morgan you never see any other keeper get pinged for doing the same things. Some of them are so nit pickey fro the refs it's like they've seen one fella do it and want to prove they can be eagle eyed too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Dire Ear on August 13, 2018, 11:38:35 AM
Would love neutral someone to go through the whole match, see where he could have got it wrong  and THEN rate the ref.
Genuinely thought he was as bad/inevperienced to both
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: oakleaflad on August 13, 2018, 11:40:26 AM
I'd like to have seen the Morgan incident before half time. The ref pulled him on something like the ball moving when he was taking a kick out? Cost Tyrone a point and cost me my HT/FT bet.
Took it well before the 13m line.

Hampsey wasn't outside the 21 when the ball was kicked. That's the 3rd time it's happened this year!! Silly thing to get caught on because it's not as if hampsey was even looking the ball.
Iím near sure all players were outside.
The ball was moving, it wasn't on the 13m line, maybe a player wasn't outside the 20 as well. There was numerous things wrong with it

Ball was fine where it was and the player was miles outside the twenty. Possible that the ball was just moving but like all these decisions against Morgan you never see any other keeper get pinged for doing the same things. Some of them are so nit pickey fro the refs it's like they've seen one fella do it and want to prove they can be eagle eyed too.
You sure? I admittedly haven't watched it back but remember thinking whilst watching the replay (live) that the player was about a yard inside the 21 when Morgan kicked it out and that was the reason the hop ball was given.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 13, 2018, 11:44:14 AM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: cjx on August 13, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
Was it McShane who hit that disaster of a shot at the end? Couldn't believe it. Beggan subsequently bettered him though thankfully.
Tyrone did it throughout the game. Needlessly shooting from difficult positions instead of just holding on to it til they found someone in a gimme position.
This is the key point of soul destroying failures for Tyrone. 

It always amazes me because Tyrone have been doing this for 5+ years (see Mayo 2016 worst 34 chances 12 scores) They rarely score the expected total for a top class team and their conversion rate (the other way of judging shot selection/shooting success) is never up to usual top 4 standards (only against lesser teams like Roscommon and Armagh latterly). Tyrone do 'create' more 'chances' but less chances and a much better conversion rate giving 20+points is the target and better way. The misses shots, short, wide and frees missed are soul destroying and today was the same
With all this coaching etc etc How come Tyrone never take the extra 2-3 passes to get the right shot as Dublin do?

It must be an inbuilt lack of confidence/panic somewhere? Is Stephen O'Neill doing anything at all with Tyrone?
The defense is grand so Tyrone now practice your zen, coolness, self belief and patience up front and anything is possible as when 2 points down in 2008!

You do realise Tyrone are currently sat in an All Ireland final?

It's brilliant!
But aim for the top and as Harte says "....there's something to win in the final"
I want Tyrone to out Dublin Dublin and become default All_Ireland winners.

As we know chance creation of 30-40 is the range to aim for with a conversion rate of 66%+. That is the winning target. Doesn't always work that way  of course but it has for Dublin for 5 years now in all but two three matches. They got 36 chances and 66% conversion yesterday (83% in first half dipped second as it got easier and impatient subs tried to get on the starting line for final).

Dublin take about half their points from less than 35m range standing or with a steady slow run and direct on kick.

That is what's required and Tyrone showed bursts of it but not nearly enough to beat Dublin. Spirit I believe Tyrone have but that must translate into scores to compliment great defending obviously. Tyrone staggered to all their All-Ireland's but the now the, in ways boring, Dublin machine make spirit less and cold efficiency more important (Gavin is cold isn't he?).

Yet I believe Tyrone can of course win on 2/9. Dublin should have been 3 goals down with 15min gone against Galway.Their relatively small defense can't cope with strong full forwards (Richie Donnelly ) and well delivered high balls (holding down McAlliskey in Omagh) Cluxton can be panicked (last 10-15 in Omagh).
If Frank Burns had flipped the pass to his right If Mattie had held  Lee Brennan's smart pass The nervy inefficiency against craggy Monaghan is a real blessing in disguise.
Tyrone need cool patient finishing and a very strong full forward (Tyrone have the best most committed ever defense) its in them. Its up to Donnelly, Devlin, Harte and possibly most of all Stephen O'Neill given his forward's role to help the players bring it out in full flower. Definitely all to play for!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Keyser soze on August 13, 2018, 11:51:26 AM
On the referee I think the main thing is that he blew anything that approached physical contact and quite a few that wouldn't even reach this threshold in most people's minds. 

A few that stand out for me was the free McAliskey nailed [great strike] when he adjudged that Harte was pushed when it was clearly 2 men going for the ball in the air.

The sideline before the goal was 2 men challenging for the ball IMO. 

He gave a free against McManus the time he played the ball in the ground and I watched it a couple of times and still do not know what that was for.

Before MCCann's lovely score McManus was blatantly pushed over the sideline [though he had already lost control of the ball]

Cavanagh's charge... does this even require comment.

The last incident with K Hughes... I couldn't decide what happened after multiple viewings so correct not to give free.

Playing 3 minutes of injury time....that's the first time I've seen that in championship in a couple of years. 

Poor poor performance in a game where 2 teams went out to play football.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Zulu on August 13, 2018, 11:55:17 AM
Which does more harm for Gaelic football.......

Dublin winning their 4th of 8 in a row or Tyrone winning one this year........


But Tyrone gives hope to a lot of moderate footballers out there... jesus Colm Cavanagh  ....

Most of the 50/50s seemed to go Tyrones way (and one or two that weren't even 50/50 - how did mcmanus not get a free for being slapped in the face, which the ref had to see because he stopped play for treatment!).
Was that in the 1st half? He did get a free which was taken by someone else. It was strangely kicked backwards then given to the free taker who was now in a more difficult position and he kicked it over. Wasnít much of a free either.

That wasn't a free. The ref stopped play for the injury and as Monaghan had possession they had the restart but couldn't score directly from it. Thought ref was very harsh on Monaghan overall.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Zulu on August 13, 2018, 11:56:57 AM
The ref gave as many poor decisions against Tyrone as he did Monaghan
The Monaghan big decision came at the end and it was never a free as Hughes was all over him. So he made the right call on that one. As for extra time, there was very little injuries in the game. He played the right amount as the subs made as shown on the Sunday Game last night. As well as that he played an extra 40 seconds over the 3 minutes.
Overall the ref was poor for both teams and itís sour grapes from Monaghan.

Ah here, there were quite a few stoppages outside of the subs. 3 minutes was a joke.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 11:57:28 AM
Haven't seen it back at all. Was at the game and looking right at it and he looked a mile outside me.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: JoG2 on August 13, 2018, 12:01:55 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

eh? With 1 point separating the two teams, Nolan's performance had a huge impact. Very sore on Monaghan
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 13, 2018, 12:09:51 PM
McAliskey was fouled in the first half when attempting to lift the ball. Monaghan got the free and scored. Surprised Beggans balls up hasnt received more attention, he saw the headlines and made a hash.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 12:25:55 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

That's Sunday game standard analysis, i.e. lazy. Bit like when a ref takes the lazy way out and books both players for an incident it is clear that there is only one guilty party.

The ref had a mare and the incidents didn't come close to balancing out.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/brian-gavin-referee-nolan-may-look-back-with-regret-861793.html
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2018, 12:39:38 PM
I'd like to have seen the Morgan incident before half time. The ref pulled him on something like the ball moving when he was taking a kick out? Cost Tyrone a point and cost me my HT/FT bet.
Took it well before the 13m line.

Hampsey wasn't outside the 21 when the ball was kicked. That's the 3rd time it's happened this year!! Silly thing to get caught on because it's not as if hampsey was even looking the ball.
Iím near sure all players were outside.
The ball was moving, it wasn't on the 13m line, maybe a player wasn't outside the 20 as well. There was numerous things wrong with it

Ball was fine where it was and the player was miles outside the twenty. Possible that the ball was just moving but like all these decisions against Morgan you never see any other keeper get pinged for doing the same things. Some of them are so nit pickey fro the refs it's like they've seen one fella do it and want to prove they can be eagle eyed too.
You sure? I admittedly haven't watched it back but remember thinking whilst watching the replay (live) that the player was about a yard inside the 21 when Morgan kicked it out and that was the reason the hop ball was given.

Yea hampsey is about a yard inside with his back to Morgan walking towards the 21. Had Morgan waited another second or two it would have been fine.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jinxy on August 13, 2018, 12:43:10 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

That's Sunday game standard analysis, i.e. lazy. Bit like when a ref takes the lazy way out and books both players for an incident it is clear that there is only one guilty party.

The ref had a mare and the incidents didn't come close to balancing out.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/brian-gavin-referee-nolan-may-look-back-with-regret-861793.html

Withdraw that remark immediately.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redcard on August 13, 2018, 12:44:02 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

That's Sunday game standard analysis, i.e. lazy. Bit like when a ref takes the lazy way out and books both players for an incident it is clear that there is only one guilty party.

The ref had a mare and the incidents didn't come close to balancing out.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/brian-gavin-referee-nolan-may-look-back-with-regret-861793.html

If the ref was lazy he would have played for a draw and given Monaghan a free. That Irish examiner article is one sided and the perfect example of lazy journalism.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 12:53:20 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

This surely must be one of the most over used phrases in football/sport in general but of course it's rarely if ever true. Monaghan had some decisions go their way but it felt from watching the match that they were the victims of some bad decisions more often than Tyrone. The Peter Harte free kick before half time that McAlliskey pointed was probably the worst example of really poor refereeing where Harte was not even expecting a free kick.

It was just a poor display by the referee and I would have expected a more experienced official to be placed in charge of such a big game. I wouldn't necessarily say that Monaghan deserved to win but a draw would have felt about right yesterday, neither side played particularly well.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 12:57:35 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

That's Sunday game standard analysis, i.e. lazy. Bit like when a ref takes the lazy way out and books both players for an incident it is clear that there is only one guilty party.

The ref had a mare and the incidents didn't come close to balancing out.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/brian-gavin-referee-nolan-may-look-back-with-regret-861793.html

Withdraw that remark immediately.
Sorry but why. The Sunday Game are hopeless. They go out of their way to make it look at though it all balances out. Cooper got a good dig in last night and Murphy was only dying to tell it as it was but for whatever reason he pulled back. You can maybe make an argument that decisions balance out over a season but we aren't talking about a season. In a single game poor ref decisions rarely balance out.

I left Croker yesterday thinking the ref was worth 2 points to tyrone but now having read some of the more reasoned comments here and elsewhere i'm upping that to 3 or maybe even 4. I had kids with me who only care about Dublin and they thought the same. I keep going back to it but any ref that gives cavanagh a free for that barge shouldn't be reffing senior football never mind an AI semi final.

At the end of the day i don't think it will matter as I cant see Tyrone getting close to Dublin (and that's not arrogance). Dublin are a significant step up and if Tyrone needed handouts to beat Monaghan they'll need a few miracles to beat Dublin
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Keyser soze on August 13, 2018, 01:08:21 PM
On a separate note where are all the 'sack Mickey Harte for not starting Lee Brennan cause he's brilliant and obviously the missing link in us winning an AI ' posters at this morning???
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2018, 01:17:33 PM
I think most Tyrone supporters would agree we prob got the rub of the green yesterday with a few marginal calls that went our way. That happens in sport, and we've been on the wrong of a number in the past as well so we know how annoying it can feel especially in a tight game like this, so to be fair. I'd have sympathy with the Monaghan supporters there.

Where I'd differ is that I still think we were the best team. I though we should never have been in the position we put ourselves in and should have had daylight between the sides at half time. Our defending and breaking at speed was exceptional at times and had we been a bit more reserved with shot selection and more patient in our approach play then we should have tagged on another number of points in that first half. I'd imagine there will be a lot of work to be done in that area over the next 3 weeks as some of the shot selection and decision making was terrible. I know someone earlier mentioned S'ON being involved in the training. I think there needs to be a realisation that S'ON was a special talent and had a fantastic ability to point from anywhere. Our forwards don't have that ability (And it's no disgrace to say so) so we need to ensure we are taking on higher % opportunities. Dublin are generally ruthless in attack, but they don't take on too many hollywood shots when the game is still up for grabs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: AQMP on August 13, 2018, 01:17:42 PM
A poor quality match in which Tyrone were the better side but nearly blew it with a combination of bad shooting and some terrible decision making summed up by McClure kicking the ball into Beggan's hands with a minute to go.  Have they not watched the Dubs play keep ball?? The ref was worse that atrocious but overall I don't think the result would have been different with a decent ref.

Dubs by 10 in the final.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 13, 2018, 01:18:23 PM
On a separate note where are all the 'sack Mickey Harte for not starting Lee Brennan cause he's brilliant and obviously the missing link in us winning an AI ' posters at this morning???

Most of those accounts are one person and hes MIA.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tyroneman on August 13, 2018, 01:25:57 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

That's Sunday game standard analysis, i.e. lazy. Bit like when a ref takes the lazy way out and books both players for an incident it is clear that there is only one guilty party.

The ref had a mare and the incidents didn't come close to balancing out.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/brian-gavin-referee-nolan-may-look-back-with-regret-861793.html

As myopic an article as I've seen in a long while.

Of course it looks like Monaghan were robbed if the author only cites examples of (alleged) Monaghan injustice.

There were plenty of dodgy calls that Monaghan got (and cards they didn't) that could also have been listed but seem to have been left out.......

There were definitely soft calls - on both sides
There were calls not given, that should have been - on both sides
There were yellow cards given instead of black cards  - on both sides

Overall Tyrone were marginally the better team but it definately could have went either way.

No matter the referee holding his arm up initially - that last play was not a free, not in a million years
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 01:31:29 PM
The first 5 minutes Tyrone started off like a house on fire and looked as though they were going to blow Monaghan out of the water with some positive football. However they deteriorated badly after this whilst Monaghan themselves never reached anywhere near the levels of some of their previous performances.

My view is that it is down to a combination of nerves knowing what was at stake and the mental/physical fatigue of playing almost every week now for the last 2 months. I think the fear factor though cannot be underestimated. It will have been difficult from Monaghan players to remain sheltered from the hype around the county knowing that they were on the verge of history in reaching an AI final. Similar with this group of Tyrone players many of whom have lost an awful lot of AI semi finals in the last decade. It was a big hurdle to take the next step.

I actually do believe that Tyrone will play a lot better in the final with a bit less pressure on them and with 3 weeks preparation time. I also think that they are better equipped to put up a challenge to Dublin. Harte has yet to lose an AI final which has to count for something in the build up
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: screenexile on August 13, 2018, 01:42:53 PM
The first 5 minutes Tyrone started off like a house on fire and looked as though they were going to blow Monaghan out of the water with some positive football. However they deteriorated badly after this whilst Monaghan themselves never reached anywhere near the levels of some of their previous performances.

My view is that it is down to a combination of nerves knowing what was at stake and the mental/physical fatigue of playing almost every week now for the last 2 months. I think the fear factor though cannot be underestimated. It will have been difficult from Monaghan players to remain sheltered from the hype around the county knowing that they were on the verge of history in reaching an AI final. Similar with this group of Tyrone players many of whom have lost an awful lot of AI semi finals in the last decade. It was a big hurdle to take the next step.

I actually do believe that Tyrone will play a lot better in the final with a bit less pressure on them and with 3 weeks preparation time. I also think that they are better equipped to put up a challenge to Dublin. Harte has yet to lose an AI final which has to count for something in the build up

Has Gavin ever lost one??
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 01:48:32 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

That's Sunday game standard analysis, i.e. lazy. Bit like when a ref takes the lazy way out and books both players for an incident it is clear that there is only one guilty party.

The ref had a mare and the incidents didn't come close to balancing out.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/brian-gavin-referee-nolan-may-look-back-with-regret-861793.html

As myopic an article as I've seen in a long while.

Of course it looks like Monaghan were robbed if the author only cites examples of (alleged) Monaghan injustice.

There were plenty of dodgy calls that Monaghan got (and cards they didn't) that could also have been listed but seem to have been left out.......

There were definitely soft calls - on both sides
There were calls not given, that should have been - on both sides
There were yellow cards given instead of black cards  - on both sides

Overall Tyrone were marginally the better team but it definately could have went either way.

No matter the referee holding his arm up initially - that last play was not a free, not in a million years
Isnt that the issue though. Harte's and Cavanagh's (to name just 2) were, to use your words "not a free, not in a million years". Both resulted in points. One was diving and the other surprised Harte as much as the rest of us. These bad decisions did have an impact on the outcome. There is no getting away from that fact
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: SG08 on August 13, 2018, 01:49:05 PM
Tyrone were very poor yesterday (With the exception of Colly Cavanagh), its a good job Monaghan are as bad as they are.
if we play like that against the Dubs it will be over at half time.
I would expect Tyrone to have a much better performance though and hopefully put it up to them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: GrandMasterFlash on August 13, 2018, 01:58:42 PM
Incredibly embarrassed for some monaghan folk and their fermanagh man blaming the ref after the game. I thought both teams were poor but we should have been out of sight by half time.

Incredibly imbecile and juvenile comment to come out with.. You're obviously not that old or you might consider the many times that Tyrone were on the wrong end of bad refereeing decisions, most notably Paddy Russell in the 1995 final..

Nobody, including Malachy O'Rourke is blaming Tyrone for Monaghan's defeat, just merely calling out the inconsistencies of the referee to both reward frees and account extra time correctly.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Orchard park on August 13, 2018, 01:59:00 PM
Dublin seem now not to really  Perform for first 20 minutes against docile teams like Rodcommo  or first half against better teams, as they tease out weaknesses. Then the afterburner are turned on in 2nd half.

They know this Tyrone team well and I feel will want to give Harte Tyrone and everyone else a lesson in football. They have been shite in recent finals so will keen to  correct what they would view as underperforming  finals,

No Connolly to rescue them this year and no mention of him at all

Dublin by 6 or 7
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 02:06:48 PM
The first 5 minutes Tyrone started off like a house on fire and looked as though they were going to blow Monaghan out of the water with some positive football. However they deteriorated badly after this whilst Monaghan themselves never reached anywhere near the levels of some of their previous performances.

My view is that it is down to a combination of nerves knowing what was at stake and the mental/physical fatigue of playing almost every week now for the last 2 months. I think the fear factor though cannot be underestimated. It will have been difficult from Monaghan players to remain sheltered from the hype around the county knowing that they were on the verge of history in reaching an AI final. Similar with this group of Tyrone players many of whom have lost an awful lot of AI semi finals in the last decade. It was a big hurdle to take the next step.

I actually do believe that Tyrone will play a lot better in the final with a bit less pressure on them and with 3 weeks preparation time. I also think that they are better equipped to put up a challenge to Dublin. Harte has yet to lose an AI final which has to count for something in the build up

Has Gavin ever lost one??

I think you know the answer to that question. The point I am making is that Mickey Haret has been there and done it even if it was with a completely different group of players. That is slightly different than if it was Malachy O'Rourke taking Monaghan somewhere they have never been before since he will know how to cope with the build up and preparations needed for the biggest game of the season. I don't believe that they will win the match but I do believe that they will produce a much better performance than yesterday and they will need to.   

 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
The only clear dive yesterday was Hughes and I've yet to hear a single one of the edits crying about the ref admit that he dived or that that late "foul" was never a free. Cavanagh didn't dive he bought the free by barging and that's not a dive and every player does it. Mcmanus throwing himself to the ground every time there's a touch on his back for the last few years is more of a dive than that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Zulu on August 13, 2018, 02:32:24 PM
Cavanagh dived alright and it was a blatant one at that. I had a good view of it from my seat in the Hogan and couldn't believe he got the free. You're correct about McManus though. He's a brilliant footballer and a joy to watch but he hit the ground a few times yesterday looking for a free and to be fair to Nolan, he called a lot of them right and didn't give it. Nolan got a whole pile else wrong though.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 02:40:23 PM
Cavanagh and McManus are constantly buying free kicks by going to ground easily. McManus in the last 2 matches went down holding his eye after barely getting touched, I think it was an attempt to justify the awarding of the free kick in the first place. Mattie Donnelly is another who exaggerates minimal contact in order to buy the free.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 13, 2018, 03:02:21 PM
If u took time to watch the replays; you seen McManus got an accidently finger round the eye area!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: clarshack on August 13, 2018, 03:05:49 PM
thought the game was starting to slip away from us around the 59/60th minute mark and the goal a few minutes later was an unexpected lifeline.
overall it was an exciting game but the standard was mediocre enough tbh. i can't believe we didn't try and run the clock down at the end instead of going for that crazy effort.
if we make the same mistakes against Dublin like we did yesterday it will be a 7-8 point defeat.

Anyway it's fantastic to be back in the final again and no-one would have predicted this after the Meath game, and to see all the Armagh and Derry ones hurting is an added bonus too lol!
The buildup for the next 3 weeks should be good :)


Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 03:13:40 PM
If u took time to watch the replays; you seen McManus got an accidently finger round the eye area!

I did watch the replay a couple of times during the match but there was nothing conclusive about it from what I could see. I thought Hampsey got into McManus' head yesterday and the constant verbals appeared to put him off his game somewhat. He played average and fell short of the heights that he had displayed in previous games during the super 8's.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Zulu on August 13, 2018, 03:18:17 PM
I thought McManus played quite well. On more than one occasion he won the ball neat his man but couldn't get away a shot due to an additional two or three Tyrone defenders pressurising him. The only thing I'd criticise McManus for was trying too hard. He forced a few shots and could have popped passes off to his teammates after drawing two or three defenders to himself. He has some turn though, I don't think he could be marked by anyone one on one.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 03:51:13 PM
Maybe the expectation on McManus is too high. He did win plenty of ball in front of Hampsey alright but you could see his frustration growing as the game went on and the chance he snatched at in the dying minutes was symptomatic of that frustration. I think he got too bogged down in getting involved in a verbal contest with Hampsey.   
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 04:06:37 PM
Cavanagh dived alright and it was a blatant one at that. I had a good view of it from my seat in the Hogan and couldn't believe he got the free. You're correct about McManus though. He's a brilliant footballer and a joy to watch but he hit the ground a few times yesterday looking for a free and to be fair to Nolan, he called a lot of them right and didn't give it. Nolan got a whole pile else wrong though.

I thought it was a dive at the game too. I missed the actual highlights on TSG last night and will watch the game back in full tonight but they covered that foul in the analysis and I changed my mind to thinking it was a barge rather than a dive. Either way it wasn't a free for Tyrone and should have been a free out. My main point is that the Hughes dive has been completely ignored by everyone which is to be expected.

One of the worst that I thought at the game was over on the sideline infront of the Tyrone bench with the linesman right on top of it. The Tyrone player got the ball and was literally dragged over the sideline and a sideline ball was given rather than the free it should have been. It was a baffling decision.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: square_ball on August 13, 2018, 04:13:04 PM
Cavanagh dived alright and it was a blatant one at that. I had a good view of it from my seat in the Hogan and couldn't believe he got the free. You're correct about McManus though. He's a brilliant footballer and a joy to watch but he hit the ground a few times yesterday looking for a free and to be fair to Nolan, he called a lot of them right and didn't give it. Nolan got a whole pile else wrong though.

I thought it was a dive at the game too. I missed the actual highlights on TSG last night and will watch the game back in full tonight but they covered that foul in the analysis and I changed my mind to thinking it was a barge rather than a dive. Either way it wasn't a free for Tyrone and should have been a free out. My main point is that the Hughes dive has been completely ignored by everyone which is to be expected.

One of the worst that I thought at the game was over on the sideline infront of the Tyrone bench with the linesman right on top of it. The Tyrone player got the ball and was literally dragged over the sideline and a sideline ball was given rather than the free it should have been. It was a baffling decision.

As I said previously on this thread, only the poor decisions against the losing team gets highlighted. I thought the Sunday game analysis was spot on last night - a few poor ones against and for Tyrone.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tyroneman on August 13, 2018, 04:17:13 PM
Don't think the ref had a decisive impact on the outcome.
You can't, with the benefit of hindsight, right all the wrongs that affected your side, without also doing the same for the other side.
Yesterday, as bad as the ref was, the poor decisions balanced themselves out over the course of the game.

That's Sunday game standard analysis, i.e. lazy. Bit like when a ref takes the lazy way out and books both players for an incident it is clear that there is only one guilty party.

The ref had a mare and the incidents didn't come close to balancing out.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/brian-gavin-referee-nolan-may-look-back-with-regret-861793.html

As myopic an article as I've seen in a long while.

Of course it looks like Monaghan were robbed if the author only cites examples of (alleged) Monaghan injustice.

There were plenty of dodgy calls that Monaghan got (and cards they didn't) that could also have been listed but seem to have been left out.......

There were definitely soft calls - on both sides
There were calls not given, that should have been - on both sides
There were yellow cards given instead of black cards  - on both sides

Overall Tyrone were marginally the better team but it definately could have went either way.

No matter the referee holding his arm up initially - that last play was not a free, not in a million years
Isnt that the issue though. Harte's and Cavanagh's (to name just 2) were, to use your words "not a free, not in a million years". Both resulted in points. One was diving and the other surprised Harte as much as the rest of us. These bad decisions did have an impact on the outcome. There is no getting away from that fact

My point is that all the supposed 'bad' calls against Monaghan were stacked up in the article and none of the 'bad' calls against Tyrone were...both sides benefited from and were also disadvantaged by some poor refereeing....that article made it seem Monaghan alone were hard done by
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: GJL on August 13, 2018, 04:22:22 PM
Where can the game be watched in full? Link? Thanks.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 04:25:28 PM
Where can the game be watched in full? Link? Thanks.

Rte player surely?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: tyroneman on August 13, 2018, 04:26:40 PM
Sky usually have it on repeat also
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: mick999 on August 13, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/the-sunday-game-live-1374/10920928/?ap=1
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: lenny on August 13, 2018, 04:33:08 PM
https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/the-sunday-game-live-1374/10920928/?ap=1

blocked in the north
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 04:33:30 PM
FFS ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: J70 on August 13, 2018, 04:36:05 PM
All the Tyrone boys (correctly) asking for fairness in the post match discussion of refereeing errors after the crying many of them did about McQuillan following the Donegal game. :D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 04:40:01 PM
All the Tyrone boys (correctly) asking for fairness in the post match discussion of refereeing errors after the crying many of them did about McQuillan following the Donegal game. :D

I thought the vast vast majority of the discussion after the Donegal game was that Cavanagh should have had a black card?? Hardly Tyrone people complaining about that. In the Donegal game Tyrone got dry humped in the first half and Donegal got the worst of it in the second. The quality of reffing in the country is clean shocking. There's not a single close game that goes by now without one team or the other thinking they got rode. I see it every Tyrone game, I see it watching games as a neutral. Christ even Gough who will probably get the final can be brutal at times giving off the ball frees for nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Keyboard Warrior on August 13, 2018, 04:40:08 PM
Where can the game be watched in full? Link? Thanks.
I think this feature hasn't been available for the past few years (certainly this year anyway) and you can only watch snippets from the Sunday Game rather than the full thing. As far as I can see, it is due to GAA GO being released. GAA charge to watch games back (and also The Sunday Game programmes).
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fuzzman on August 13, 2018, 04:50:14 PM
I've not had time to read too much of this thread but here's my quick thoughts on yesterday

I was sitting in the middle of the lower Hogan and it was 95% Monaghan and very loud and foul mouthed around me. The amount of times I heard the phrase ye cheating Tyrone tr**p used was despicable. One "lady" behind me had a 4 year old on her knee and the language out of her was unreal, so much so I turned to her at one point and said can you try to tone it down a bit for your kids sake. That's awful language and she told me its not her F-ing daughter and to turn around and F**K off. I did.

I had Scooby Doo with me and that got loads of laughs and craic and some good photos including one of him sitting behind the TV Camera.

I thought Monaghan got a harder time with the ref than we did but then again my thoughts could be influenced by the very vociferous fans around me. Had I been with Tyrone fans I made have felt the other way.

It certainly looked like SOME of the Monaghan players were playing for frees and the one right at the end was never a free and I think you could tell the ref had noticed that Hughes was taken on JUST to win frees and cause panic.

Despite being called all sorts yesterday as I was totally outnumbered in our section, I did feel for the Monaghan fans. You could see that they and their players had put a HUGE amount of effort into the whole performance and they must wonder what the hell it takes to beat Tyrone in Croker. I think some would say a draw would have been a fair result but I'd say the ref didn't want to play extra time anyway.
I saw loads of fans crying after the game but in fairness a good few shook my hand on the way out (NOT THE ONES around me)
Did you notice one of the Monaghan players rejected a hand shake from McKernan I think it was.

One last point, I think when an underdog like Monaghan play a team like Tyrone for the chance to get to their first AI final for the first time in years, it will always influence the neutrals in how they view the game and how certain decisions dont go the way you would wanna see. I spoke with a Fermanagh fan today and she said totally disgusted with the whole game yesterday. Thought Tyrone were terrible rough and dirty and diving and the ref rode Monaghan time and time again. She's usually sound but I could just tell she wanted Tyrone OUT and was angry that the marginal calls went Tyrones way not the underdog. She thought 3 mins was a total travesty despite what they said on TSG last night

Having lived in Dublin for 22 years now and have 4 kids (One still a red hander) I have been looking forward to this final since I moved here. There is already some craic in work and I think I'll put up a few more flags and posers around my desk. Scooby Doo-her is already sitting up in his red Rockwell shirt
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: J70 on August 13, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
All the Tyrone boys (correctly) asking for fairness in the post match discussion of refereeing errors after the crying many of them did about McQuillan following the Donegal game. :D

I thought the vast vast majority of the discussion after the Donegal game was that Cavanagh should have had a black card?? Hardly Tyrone people complaining about that. In the Donegal game Tyrone got dry humped in the first half and Donegal got the worst of it in the second. The quality of reffing in the country is clean shocking. There's not a single close game that goes by now without one team or the other thinking they got rode. I see it every Tyrone game, I see it watching games as a neutral. Christ even Gough who will probably get the final can be brutal at times giving off the ball frees for nothing.

Refs get one look in real time in a very fast game, with other players often obscuring their view. On top of that you have players playacting, exaggerating and provoking. Refereeing is a thankless enough task without the vilification they receive on top of it, including from this forum. A lot of fans (of all teams) are blinkered idiots with no conception of the difficulty of the refereeís job. Iíd imagine itís hard enough to recruit and keep capable refs, but honestly, in this day and age especially, I donít know why they bother or how they can justify the abuse theyíre subjecting themselves to. I donít know what itís like in Ireland, but theyíre having great difficulty in parts of the US getting referees for underage soccer due to the abuse they have to take from fans and parents. Iíd love to know where these people think we are going to end up?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 13, 2018, 05:03:45 PM
Look I could understand why some Monaghan fans were annoyed with the ref. I didn't think he was good and Tyrone got the benefit of a couple more wrong calls than Monaghan. But there's always over analysis of the losing sides mistakes. I don't know why some posters get so wound up because of that. I know had I been a Monaghan supporter yesterday I'd be fairly p!ssed of the day as well.
Course the genuinely annoyed Monaghan posters shouldn't be confused with some of the Derry/ Armagh posters on here who are less worried about the performance of the ref, as by the fact Tyrone progressed. T'is these that are trying to take a couple of decisions or missed decisions and make out that Tyrone are any more cynical than any of the other top teams.
If When Dublin win, all will be right with their world again, while the rest of the us worry about how the feck you get closer to beating Dublin. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 05:10:39 PM
All the Tyrone boys (correctly) asking for fairness in the post match discussion of refereeing errors after the crying many of them did about McQuillan following the Donegal game. :D

I thought the vast vast majority of the discussion after the Donegal game was that Cavanagh should have had a black card?? Hardly Tyrone people complaining about that. In the Donegal game Tyrone got dry humped in the first half and Donegal got the worst of it in the second. The quality of reffing in the country is clean shocking. There's not a single close game that goes by now without one team or the other thinking they got rode. I see it every Tyrone game, I see it watching games as a neutral. Christ even Gough who will probably get the final can be brutal at times giving off the ball frees for nothing.

Refs get one look in real time in a very fast game, with other players often obscuring their view. On top of that you have players playacting, exaggerating and provoking. Refereeing is a thankless enough task without the vilification they receive on top of it, including from this forum. A lot of fans (of all teams) are blinkered idiots with no conception of the difficulty of the refereeís job. Iíd imagine itís hard enough to recruit and keep capable refs, but honestly, in this day and age especially, I donít know why they bother or how they can justify the abuse theyíre subjecting themselves to. I donít know what itís like in Ireland, but theyíre having great difficulty in parts of the US getting referees for underage soccer due to the abuse they have to take from fans and parents. Iíd love to know where these people think we are going to end up?

It is a thankless task, and it is a very hard job, but the standard at the moment is just terrible and it's having a negative effect on the games. Players play act because a lot of times they have to, there's no reward for trying to stay on your feet when you're being fouled so why do it? In terms of abuse for refs I don't think that's any worse now than it ever was. Refs were always being called blind b**tards of being told to wear the jersey. The problem in the GAA and in a lot of soccer refs too is that there's no punishment for being an awful ref, they keep being given high profile games over and over despite being useless. I know a lad who's been trying to break into the intercounty scene for a long time and all he gets is linesman and possibly first sub ref for the mens game. Maybe he's not good enough but unless he's given a chance to prove it we'll never know. One thing we do know is that the likes of Coldrick and that fella yesterday just aren't good enough. We've had Coldrick 3 times this year in the championship and on the line yesterday. I already outlined one of the most bizarre decisions I've ever seen that happened right at his feet. It was inexplicable that he didn't call a foul but he didn't. Should we be thanking him for that after the game?

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think bringing in VAR would work because even after seeing  the replays a lot of the decisions are still hard to call and VAR would ruin the game as a spectacle.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: J70 on August 13, 2018, 05:26:54 PM
The answer is that it is going to get worse. Refs may always have been abused (a relative of mine helped throw a ref into the River Finn in Ballybofey decades ago during a game!), but the microanalysis of every missed call and online piling on was not a factor until recently. Youíre going to end up with even poorer refereeing at all levels and even shortages at lower levels because even the capable ones are going to say ďf**k it, itís not worth the abuseĒ and not stick at it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 05:33:00 PM
I'd say decent young refs not getting a crack at the bigger games is probably more of a risk to losing them than a bit of analysis.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jim Bob on August 13, 2018, 05:41:03 PM
you can be sure that rte/gaa will have had a very hard word in the refs ear to make sure tyrone do not make the final at all cost.

Well thebigdog. Some post you put up earlier. Reckon the ref is deaf?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: SouthDublinBro on August 13, 2018, 06:03:14 PM
I think a major source of the Monaghan anguish is that their supporters had a real feeling that it was "their time". Tyrone on the other hand were the younger squad with time on their side. You get the feeling that Monaghan are going in the opposite direction to this Tyrone team. Tyrone were there for the taking but getting to an All Ireland final will do wonders for them over the next few years.

I would safely wager that a lot of those Monaghan players will not get so close to an AI Final again. Their veteran harder tacklers will be difficult to replace. We could be looking at a mirror of the slow Donegal decline after losing that final to Kerry as 'softer' players replace those veterans.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
All the Tyrone boys (correctly) asking for fairness in the post match discussion of refereeing errors after the crying many of them did about McQuillan following the Donegal game. :D

I thought the vast vast majority of the discussion after the Donegal game was that Cavanagh should have had a black card?? Hardly Tyrone people complaining about that. In the Donegal game Tyrone got dry humped in the first half and Donegal got the worst of it in the second. The quality of reffing in the country is clean shocking. There's not a single close game that goes by now without one team or the other thinking they got rode. I see it every Tyrone game, I see it watching games as a neutral. Christ even Gough who will probably get the final can be brutal at times giving off the ball frees for nothing.

Refs get one look in real time in a very fast game, with other players often obscuring their view. On top of that you have players playacting, exaggerating and provoking. Refereeing is a thankless enough task without the vilification they receive on top of it, including from this forum. A lot of fans (of all teams) are blinkered idiots with no conception of the difficulty of the refereeís job. Iíd imagine itís hard enough to recruit and keep capable refs, but honestly, in this day and age especially, I donít know why they bother or how they can justify the abuse theyíre subjecting themselves to. I donít know what itís like in Ireland, but theyíre having great difficulty in parts of the US getting referees for underage soccer due to the abuse they have to take from fans and parents. Iíd love to know where these people think we are going to end up?

It is a thankless task, and it is a very hard job, but the standard at the moment is just terrible and it's having a negative effect on the games. Players play act because a lot of times they have to, there's no reward for trying to stay on your feet when you're being fouled so why do it? In terms of abuse for refs I don't think that's any worse now than it ever was. Refs were always being called blind b**tards of being told to wear the jersey. The problem in the GAA and in a lot of soccer refs too is that there's no punishment for being an awful ref, they keep being given high profile games over and over despite being useless. I know a lad who's been trying to break into the intercounty scene for a long time and all he gets is linesman and possibly first sub ref for the mens game. Maybe he's not good enough but unless he's given a chance to prove it we'll never know. One thing we do know is that the likes of Coldrick and that fella yesterday just aren't good enough. We've had Coldrick 3 times this year in the championship and on the line yesterday. I already outlined one of the most bizarre decisions I've ever seen that happened right at his feet. It was inexplicable that he didn't call a foul but he didn't. Should we be thanking him for that after the game?

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think bringing in VAR would work because even after seeing  the replays a lot of the decisions are still hard to call and VAR would ruin the game as a spectacle.
As it happens I disagree with you on the incident you're describing - i didn't think Hughes fouled him and a line ball was fair enough. However, that aside the rest of your post is spot on. He wasn't up to the job and he shouldn't be let near a big game like this again. He has previous - donegal will remember him as the fellow who relegated them earlier this year by missing a loads of steps for Mayo's equaliser in the final league game. I'll remember him for the inexplicable frees he gave to harte and cavanagh. Didn't wexford make a video about him a few years ago too when they were on the wrong end of his genius ?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 13, 2018, 06:35:04 PM
I think a major source of the Monaghan anguish is that their supporters had a real feeling that it was "their time". Tyrone on the other hand were the younger squad with time on their side. You get the feeling that Monaghan are going in the opposite direction to this Tyrone team. Tyrone were there for the taking but getting to an All Ireland final will do wonders for them over the next few years.

I would safely wager that a lot of those Monaghan players will not get so close to an AI Final again. Their veteran harder tacklers will be difficult to replace. We could be looking at a mirror of the slow Donegal decline after losing that final to Kerry as 'softer' players replace those veterans.

Whats changed really ? Bar a meltdown Dublin will be back in the semi next year and the other Div 1 teams plus Donegal and maybe kildare will fight it out for the other 3 spots. There's hardly a kick of a ball between any of them
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: From the Bunker on August 13, 2018, 07:18:33 PM
I think a major source of the Monaghan anguish is that their supporters had a real feeling that it was "their time". Tyrone on the other hand were the younger squad with time on their side. You get the feeling that Monaghan are going in the opposite direction to this Tyrone team. Tyrone were there for the taking but getting to an All Ireland final will do wonders for them over the next few years.

I would safely wager that a lot of those Monaghan players will not get so close to an AI Final again. Their veteran harder tacklers will be difficult to replace. We could be looking at a mirror of the slow Donegal decline after losing that final to Kerry as 'softer' players replace those veterans.

I doubt many Monaghan Fans lost the run of themselves in regards an AI title. Most just wanted the magic of seeing their county in an AI Final. Monaghan will dust themselves down and go again. Players will retire, be dropped. But there won't be a conveyour belt of replacements. Why, because Monaghan is a very small county! And punching well above its weight.

Dublin continue to be ''The Problem''. Their dominance, helped by almost every advantageous factor continues to grow the gap between them and the chasing bunch. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2018, 07:24:36 PM
While i think corey's age hindered them a but yesterday and mone getting on a bit I don't think overall that monaghan team is that old. Mcmanus 30 but atill a few years in him.drew wylie looks older than he is i suspect.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: J70 on August 13, 2018, 07:26:48 PM
I'd say decent young refs not getting a crack at the bigger games is probably more of a risk to losing them than a bit of analysis.

ďA bit of analysisĒ?? ;D
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gael85 on August 13, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
I think a major source of the Monaghan anguish is that their supporters had a real feeling that it was "their time". Tyrone on the other hand were the younger squad with time on their side. You get the feeling that Monaghan are going in the opposite direction to this Tyrone team. Tyrone were there for the taking but getting to an All Ireland final will do wonders for them over the next few years.

I would safely wager that a lot of those Monaghan players will not get so close to an AI Final again. Their veteran harder tacklers will be difficult to replace. We could be looking at a mirror of the slow Donegal decline after losing that final to Kerry as 'softer' players replace those veterans.

I doubt many Monaghan Fans lost the run of themselves in regards an AI title. Most just wanted the magic of seeing their county in an AI Final. Monaghan will dust themselves down and go again. Players will retire, be dropped. But there won't be a conveyour belt of replacements. Why, because Monaghan is a very small county! And punching well above its weight.

Dublin continue to be ''The Problem''. Their dominance, helped by almost every advantageous factor continues to grow the gap between them and the chasing bunch.

What Dublin got do with a Tyrone/Monaghan thread? They didn't even play Monaghan in championship this year.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 08:29:15 PM
I'd say decent young refs not getting a crack at the bigger games is probably more of a risk to losing them than a bit of analysis.

ďA bit of analysisĒ?? ;D

Well as you've already said the other stuff was always happening, FFS your mate tried to throw a ref into the Finn lol. There's more games on TV now with more cameras and more angles so there's more analysis of refs.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 13, 2018, 09:01:54 PM
Christ I was tired after I got home yesterday. A few musings.

Tyrone started like a rocket and let Monaghan back into the game when they had no right to be within 4 points of them at half time never mind level.
McManus was well marshalled and Monaghan struggled to a point without him.
Kieran Hughes probably should've been introduced earlier
Goals win games and Tyrone should've had at least one other when Harte fumbled a ball.
Tyrone had enough in the tank to beat them and the scoreline flattered Monaghan.
Monaghan can blame the ref all they want, but the reality is they weren't good enough.
Tyrone will need to up their game for the final massively. I think they have it in them to do it.
Dublin is a shithole to get out of. The traffic was f**king mental.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 09:10:40 PM
Iím not buying this theory that the score line flattered Monaghan. Tyrone were marginally better in the first half but Monaghan grew into the game as the half went on and had missed 2 good goal chances.

I thought Monaghan were marginally the better side in the second half and up until the point where Sludden tucked away the goal, it looked like Monaghan had all the momentum to win the match. Overall there was absolutely nothing between the teams but the result often skews any logical analysis.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2018, 09:18:15 PM
Iím not buying this theory that the score line flattered Monaghan. Tyrone were marginally better in the first half but Monaghan grew into the game as the half went on and had missed 2 good goal chances.

I thought Monaghan were marginally the better side in the second half and up until the point where Sludden tucked away the goal, it looked like Monaghan had all the momentum to win the match. Overall there was absolutely nothing between the teams but the result often skews any logical analysis.

Yep that would be my take on it too.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: dublin7 on August 13, 2018, 09:31:55 PM
Iím not buying this theory that the score line flattered Monaghan. Tyrone were marginally better in the first half but Monaghan grew into the game as the half went on and had missed 2 good goal chances.

I thought Monaghan were marginally the better side in the second half and up until the point where Sludden tucked away the goal, it looked like Monaghan had all the momentum to win the match. Overall there was absolutely nothing between the teams but the result often skews any logical analysis.

Yep that would be my take on it too.

Tyrone were the better team in the 1st half but the longer the game went on the more Monaghan took over. When Monaghan went in front I thought they'd go on to win as Tyrone's  scores had dried up and they had all the momentum. Beggan  was able to find his players with ease in the 2nd half and the only difference  between the sides was the lucky goal and some very fortuitous frees to Tyrone from the ref.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 09:35:46 PM
+1 on the traffic yesterday. Absolute madness.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Cunny Funt on August 13, 2018, 09:42:34 PM
Iím not buying this theory that the score line flattered Monaghan. Tyrone were marginally better in the first half but Monaghan grew into the game as the half went on and had missed 2 good goal chances.

I thought Monaghan were marginally the better side in the second half and up until the point where Sludden tucked away the goal, it looked like Monaghan had all the momentum to win the match. Overall there was absolutely nothing between the teams but the result often skews any logical analysis.

Yep that would be my take on it too.
More or less the same view i had on the match yesterday.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Hound on August 13, 2018, 10:01:10 PM
Very frustrating that the ref played such a big part, and was a huge influence on an All Ireland semi final. Not biased in any way, just poor.

Neither team played as well as they could, but both also hindered by the whistle happy ref. Iíd be firmly convinced that Nolan watches very little football in his spare time. His style encouraged everyone to play for frees and iíd say Tyrone played the ref better than Monaghan.

I was hoping for ET, in the hope that one team would kick on and win well, rather than wonder how the game might have went with a different ref. But at the end Monaghan had the chance to work an equaliser and couldnít quite manage it. So well done Tyrone!
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: clarshack on August 13, 2018, 10:17:23 PM
+1 on the traffic yesterday. Absolute madness.

Where did yous park? Parked near O'Connell Street and left there around 5.30pm. it was very busy at the port tunnel and then on the M1. Took 3 hours overall to get home that way.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 13, 2018, 10:19:18 PM
Think Tyrone are 4-5 points a better team. Reality is Monaghan gave it their all and it wasn't enough. Tyrone weren't as good as they can be. O'Rouke knows this. He knew Monaghan had to have the game of their lives which they did, and Tyrone have an off day which they did. Monaghan had nothing more, hence he focused in on the ref. Monaghan had no more answers.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 13, 2018, 10:22:37 PM
If you read back on this thread you might notice it wasn't just o'rourke had an issue with the ref...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 13, 2018, 10:26:03 PM
The Monaghan supporters around me were brilliant before, during and after the game. They were so crushed though at the end. Their feelings must be a bit Mayo-lite.

Tyrone fans were a bit more reserved. The success of the 00s still has an impact.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 13, 2018, 10:27:58 PM
If you read back on this thread you might notice it wasn't just o'rourke had an issue with the ref...

If Monaghan think the ref cost them that game, then they'll never win anything. The answers are inside the players. Monaghan didn't have them yesterday. A good effort, but not good enough.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 13, 2018, 10:31:36 PM
+1 on the traffic yesterday. Absolute madness.

Where did yous park? Parked near O'Connell Street and left there around 5.30pm. it was very busy at the port tunnel and then on the M1. Took 3 hours overall to get home that way.

Parked about 5 - 10 mins from the port tunnel. Took nearly 1 hour to get back to it. Was well over 4 hours getting home. I couldn't live in a place with that sort of traffic, how people in Dublin do it I'll never know.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 13, 2018, 10:49:21 PM
If you read back on this thread you might notice it wasn't just o'rourke had an issue with the ref...
As Dick Clerkin remarked it's not the ref's decisions which lost the game, it's those decisions made and opportunities not taken during a game which were well within Monaghan's control which had the much greater effect on the outcome.
Without hitting true form, Monaghan brought the game to the wire albeit against a team who similarly dis-functioned,  there's definite progress from last year.
The other 2 defeats to Tyrone  at Croke park  didn't leave me at all positive that Monaghan could move up a level from that.
Now the future for Monaghan football is more positive than it has ever been, the farney support is rock solid behind the team, the evidence of that could be seen in the thousands that traveled all the way down to Waterford, not just to watch a formality of a victory but to make a huge positive statement in the aftermath of that loss against Fermanagh.
All the work over the years  in the county has laid a strong foundation which the senior team can replenish from. The team will come back stronger next year with higher targets which are that bit more tangible. You'd hope that Malachy can properly integrate the natural talent McCarthy and McCarron and a few others into being more effective players for the team.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Silver hill on August 13, 2018, 10:54:47 PM
In a one point game, all decisions by the ref with be magnified by the losing team. Thatís always the way. However, as a neutral, I did think the ref yesterday was sorer on Monaghan and they lost out in the tight calls at crucial points in the game. Tyrone took the one goal chance they had and thatís the difference. It wonít be a popular viewpoint but in my opinion, when the game was in the melting point, I thought Beggan got a little carried away with his own hype. Instead of working the ball in to the inside forwards, he actually was going for the equaliser. I donít believe he was simply launching a Hail Mary to hughes. Only he will know for sure, but I think it was an attempted point from 60 yards. Very poor game management, as was the late attempt fromMcmanus over the shoulder when moving away from the goals. That aside, heís still the best forward in Ireland at present.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: ONeill on August 13, 2018, 10:54:52 PM
+1 on the traffic yesterday. Absolute madness.

Where did yous park? Parked near O'Connell Street and left there around 5.30pm. it was very busy at the port tunnel and then on the M1. Took 3 hours overall to get home that way.

Parked about 5 - 10 mins from the port tunnel. Took nearly 1 hour to get back to it. Was well over 4 hours getting home. I couldn't live in a place with that sort of traffic, how people in Dublin do it I'll never know.

I was out of Clonliffe like a shot and home by 715.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 13, 2018, 10:56:25 PM
Think Tyrone are 4-5 points a better team. Reality is Monaghan gave it their all and it wasn't enough. Tyrone weren't as good as they can be. O'Rouke knows this. He knew Monaghan had to have the game of their lives which they did, and Tyrone have an off day which they did. Monaghan had nothing more, hence he focused in on the ref. Monaghan had no more answers.

You have to be taking the piss if you thought Monaghan had the game of their lives, plenty of chances went amiss and alot of mistakes were made.

Neither team played to their best, Tyrone just about edged it. There's no gulf between the sides like some would like to portray, it's as if you're making excuses for not winning by more.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 13, 2018, 11:10:35 PM
Think Tyrone are 4-5 points a better team. Reality is Monaghan gave it their all and it wasn't enough. Tyrone weren't as good as they can be. O'Rouke knows this. He knew Monaghan had to have the game of their lives which they did, and Tyrone have an off day which they did. Monaghan had nothing more, hence he focused in on the ref. Monaghan had no more answers.

Totally condescending. Also totally inaccurate.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 13, 2018, 11:14:33 PM
If you read back on this thread you might notice it wasn't just o'rourke had an issue with the ref...
As Dick Clerkin remarked it's not the ref's decisions which lost the game, it's those decisions made and opportunities not taken during a game which were well within Monaghan's control which had the much greater effect on the outcome.
Without hitting true form, Monaghan brought the game to the wire albeit against a team who similarly dis-functioned,  there's definite progress from last year.
The other 2 defeats to Tyrone  at Croke park  didn't leave me at all positive that Monaghan could move up a level from that.
Now the future for Monaghan football is more positive than it has ever been, the farney support is rock solid behind the team, the evidence of that could be seen in the thousands that traveled all the way down to Waterford, not just to watch a formality of a victory but to make a huge positive statement in the aftermath of that loss against Fermanagh.
All the work over the years  in the county has laid a strong foundation which the senior team can replenish from. The team will come back stronger next year with higher targets which are that bit more tangible. You'd hope that Malachy can properly integrate the natural talent McCarthy and McCarron and a few others into being more effective players for the team.

Good summary there, would agree with all of it. Hard not to be a bit distraught at how close we came to reaching the big day in September as those opportunities don't come around very often, God knows they don't for Monaghan. And regardless of the poor ref, we had the chances to see it out but we didn't.

But there are reasons to be optimistic as you say. Apart from the old warhorses Vinny and Dessie (noone would be surprised to see them call it a day and they don't owe the county anything - yet I think Vinny would play into his 40s if he's let) the age profile of the panel is very healthy with a good mix, and we should be right back in the Super 8s next year for another crack. We've had a good run at underage in Ulster in recent years, which brings up fellas who are used to winning things and competing with the country's best in Croke Park. The young lads in the team did very well this year, and hopefully we'll continue to bring through that youth on the verge, the likes of Wilson, Bannigan, Garland and McGinn(who I'm sure we'd have seen plenty of this year only for that awful injury). The likes of Kearns, McAnespie and McCarthy also will only continue to improve and have many big days ahead of them hopefully.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: sam03/05 on August 13, 2018, 11:19:05 PM
Monaghan will never play in an All Ireland Final, they are just too much of a silly County, with silly fans who lose the run of themselves when they get some limited success.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 11:25:46 PM
+1 on the traffic yesterday. Absolute madness.

Where did yous park? Parked near O'Connell Street and left there around 5.30pm. it was very busy at the port tunnel and then on the M1. Took 3 hours overall to get home that way.

Sean Macdemott Street. The last few times I drove I've headed for around Mountjoy Square Park and it's been OK to get out of, this was a pure nightmare. I'm heading for heading the Longford direction too which makes a bit of a difference.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 13, 2018, 11:31:40 PM
Main Street being an absolute gent after the game is a bit shocking. Fair play to you brother. I'm personally a bitter old bollox and if I thought the ref rode me everyone would know all about it.  :D :D

I'm actually about 100x more chill watching a game live than I am at home. I think that could be a combination of actually having a replay so you're sure you were rode on a decision whereas at the game it's impossible to know for certain unless it's right infront of you, and also having to listen to the likes of Dessie Dolan also puts the blood pressure up a few notches. There was a few gulpins around me from Monaghan yesterday and I'm sure there was plenty of gulpins from Tyrone too in the place. I'm sure like always 99% of both fans were sound as a bell.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Silver hill on August 14, 2018, 12:04:22 AM
Monaghan will never play in an All Ireland Final, they are just too much of a silly County, with silly fans who lose the run of themselves when they get some limited success.

There it is, and you wonder why tyrone are reviled throughout the country. Is a little grace in victory too much to expect. Perhaps not. Stay classy.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 01:13:56 AM
Monaghan will never play in an All Ireland Final, they are just too much of a silly County, with silly fans who lose the run of themselves when they get some limited success.

There it is, and you wonder why tyrone are reviled throughout the country. Is a little grace in victory too much to expect. Perhaps not. Stay classy.

And there it is from yourself you whopper. Taking the words from one edjit and saying its representative when almost every Tyrone fan here has said nothing like that. Baffling.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 01:41:06 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on August 14, 2018, 03:26:11 AM
Monaghan will never play in an All Ireland Final, they are just too much of a silly County, with silly fans who lose the run of themselves when they get some limited success.

There it is, and you wonder why tyrone are reviled throughout the country. Is a little grace in victory too much to expect. Perhaps not. Stay classy.

A Derry man who hasn't posted in almost a year  ::)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2018, 03:51:03 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

Did ye not know that the black card was brought in to stop big bad Tyronies, ye cant be giving black cards to their opposing team.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: square_ball on August 14, 2018, 08:04:57 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

Did ye not know that the black card was brought in to stop big bad Tyronies, ye cant be giving black cards to their opposing team.

And fair play to Mickey. Recognised McNamee should have had a black card and took him off straight after. Not many managers would do that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2018, 08:41:56 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

Yep called it at the time. I think the only reason he got away with it is because it was so early in the game
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Rossfan on August 14, 2018, 08:49:35 AM
The Tom Tommy Carr Rule "Ya can't give a black card in the first 10 minutes"
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: square_ball on August 14, 2018, 08:51:29 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

Yep called it at the time. I think the only reason he got away with it is because it was so early in the game

That didnít save Michael McKernan against Donegal. He was off after 5 mins. The referee bottled it just.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Hound on August 14, 2018, 08:53:34 AM
dunno why people are so keen to see more black cards. The foul on Cavanaugh was nothing more than that. It was likely a mistimed tackle rather than a deliberate attempt to bring a player to the ground with no attempt to play the ball.

It should be difficult to get a black card. The ref has to be 100% sure the offender was not attempting a fair tackle and was deliberately tripping or pulling a player to the ground.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 14, 2018, 08:56:29 AM
I don't recall any incident during the game being worthy of a black card other than the McNamee one which was as blatant an example of a black card as you are likely to see.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Norf Tyrone on August 14, 2018, 09:15:23 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2018, 09:15:51 AM
dunno why people are so keen to see more black cards. The foul on Cavanaugh was nothing more than that. It was likely a mistimed tackle rather than a deliberate attempt to bring a player to the ground with no attempt to play the ball.

It should be difficult to get a black card. The ref has to be 100% sure the offender was not attempting a fair tackle and was deliberately tripping or pulling a player to the ground.

If it's the same foul I'm thinking of, he tripped Cavanagh up with his hand as Cavanagh was getting away from him. It's a text book black card. Albeit, it was over at the sideline and in the middle of the pitch so didn't have a big impact. But that's obviously irrelevant to the foul.

Edit - Norf got there just before me
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: yellowcard on August 14, 2018, 09:20:36 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to. 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 14, 2018, 09:24:24 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2018, 09:29:25 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
It was a black by the letter of the law. Cavanagh was trying to get him one but the ref was having none of it. I think Monaghan are maybe lacking at corner back so could have been a big blow.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 14, 2018, 09:38:40 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
People also talk about ďTyroneís lucky goalĒ and ďMonaghanís 2 good goal chancesĒ.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: clarshack on August 14, 2018, 09:39:50 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

Coldrick saw it as well but didn't want to know.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulster’s heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 14, 2018, 10:13:29 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2018, 10:21:20 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

I've already said that I think Tyrone got the rub of the green in some of the free counts. But with regards to the black cards, that's not one area Monaghan can complain about.
And Tyrone have been shafted previously. It's not pleasant and I've said I'd have sympathy for the Monaghan supporters as we know only too well what it's like.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trailer on August 14, 2018, 10:32:54 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

Great teams never complain about the ref. No team ever gets every decision. If this is the Monaghan psyche (and I think it is, given MO'R's comments) then they will never be serious contenders. They were beaten by a team operating at around 60% - 70%. And I'd imagine that hurts, as they probably believed (wrongly) that they could overcome Tyrone, but reality is they're probably 4-5 players short.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 14, 2018, 10:59:15 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

Great teams never complain about the ref. No team ever gets every decision. If this is the Monaghan psyche (and I think it is, given MO'R's comments) then they will never be serious contenders. They were beaten by a team operating at around 60% - 70%. And I'd imagine that hurts, as they probably believed (wrongly) that they could overcome Tyrone, but reality is they're probably 4-5 players short.
we'll agree to differ. The post match story is always written from the winners perspective. The margins are tiny. If the ref had give that free in the end and it went to extra time with monaghan winning or even a replay it would be a whole different conversation. Gievn that the ref made far bigger mistakes in the match he easily could have done so. E.g. one story might have been that starting Brennan as opposed to springing him from the bench didn't work out very well. They might want to look at that one again for the final

every team no matter how great they are complains about the ref if its justified. Many complain anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: trueblue1234 on August 14, 2018, 11:12:11 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

Great teams never complain about the ref. No team ever gets every decision. If this is the Monaghan psyche (and I think it is, given MO'R's comments) then they will never be serious contenders. They were beaten by a team operating at around 60% - 70%. And I'd imagine that hurts, as they probably believed (wrongly) that they could overcome Tyrone, but reality is they're probably 4-5 players short.
we'll agree to differ. The post match story is always written from the winners perspective. The margins are tiny. If the ref had give that free in the end and it went to extra time with monaghan winning or even a replay it would be a whole different conversation. Gievn that the ref made far bigger mistakes in the match he easily could have done so. E.g. one story might have been that starting Brennan as opposed to springing him from the bench didn't work out very well. They might want to look at that one again for the final

every team no matter how great they are complains about the ref if its justified. Many complain anyway.

Did you think it was a free for Hughes? I honestly didn't see that as one of the controversial decisions as I felt it was 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. I would have been p1ssed of it he had of given a free in for that.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: straightred on August 14, 2018, 11:25:30 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

Great teams never complain about the ref. No team ever gets every decision. If this is the Monaghan psyche (and I think it is, given MO'R's comments) then they will never be serious contenders. They were beaten by a team operating at around 60% - 70%. And I'd imagine that hurts, as they probably believed (wrongly) that they could overcome Tyrone, but reality is they're probably 4-5 players short.
we'll agree to differ. The post match story is always written from the winners perspective. The margins are tiny. If the ref had give that free in the end and it went to extra time with monaghan winning or even a replay it would be a whole different conversation. Gievn that the ref made far bigger mistakes in the match he easily could have done so. E.g. one story might have been that starting Brennan as opposed to springing him from the bench didn't work out very well. They might want to look at that one again for the final

every team no matter how great they are complains about the ref if its justified. Many complain anyway.

Did you think it was a free for Hughes? I honestly didn't see that as one of the controversial decisions as I felt it was 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. I would have been p1ssed of it he had of given a free in for that.
The defender had both hands on him initially but there wasn't much in it. It would have been harsh but in the context of the 2 that he gave harte and cavanagh (which both resulted in pointed frees) then he should have given it. At least there was some contact - there was none in the other 2.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: smort on August 14, 2018, 11:37:12 AM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

Great teams never complain about the ref. No team ever gets every decision. If this is the Monaghan psyche (and I think it is, given MO'R's comments) then they will never be serious contenders. They were beaten by a team operating at around 60% - 70%. And I'd imagine that hurts, as they probably believed (wrongly) that they could overcome Tyrone, but reality is they're probably 4-5 players short.
we'll agree to differ. The post match story is always written from the winners perspective. The margins are tiny. If the ref had give that free in the end and it went to extra time with monaghan winning or even a replay it would be a whole different conversation. Gievn that the ref made far bigger mistakes in the match he easily could have done so. E.g. one story might have been that starting Brennan as opposed to springing him from the bench didn't work out very well. They might want to look at that one again for the final

every team no matter how great they are complains about the ref if its justified. Many complain anyway.

Did you think it was a free for Hughes? I honestly didn't see that as one of the controversial decisions as I felt it was 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. I would have been p1ssed of it he had of given a free in for that.
The defender had both hands on him initially but there wasn't much in it. It would have been harsh but in the context of the 2 that he gave harte and cavanagh (which both resulted in pointed frees) then he should have given it. At least there was some contact - there was none in the other 2.

In the Harte incident, both players had hit the ground but Peter was up and away from his man and would more than likely scored anyway
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: clarshack on August 14, 2018, 11:57:37 AM
Mattie Donnelly got a free around the 42nd min mark which McAliskey converted. IIRC Beggan was claiming there was a double bounce from Mattie before he was fouled. i haven't been able to see the incident since. just wondering if there was anything to it?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omagh_gael on August 14, 2018, 12:50:31 PM
I was in section 327 on 13m line in lower Hogan. From our view we couldn't see the ball squirm out towards Sludden and our first notion of a goal chance was when it hit the back of the net. Mighty stuff!

It reminded me of how big decisions and lucky breaks tend to even themselves out over the year. James McCarthy's goal against us in Omagh was after Morgan made a great save, the ball could have went anywhere but popped up perfectly for McCarthy to punch it in when on the ground. Karma at it's finest.

Not much else to say that hasn't been said already. Some final thoughts for me are...

- During and immediately after the game I was shocked at the level of focus on the ref's bias towards Tyrone. You could tell that they got a number of dodgy decisions against them but in the Tyrone section many around me felt that we were rid a few times too. I don't think this was a major factor and overall Monaghan may have a slight case for one or two poorer calls. One we can all agree on was the injury time, couldn't believe it when I seen 3 minutes. That was a poor call.

- There was a serious amount of jeering and booing from the Monaghan fans during the game towards free takers on the Tyrone side. This started from the very first free so it can't be all passed off as frustration with the ref.

- Both these teams were setting a record on Sunday for the number of joint games played in a championship season (18 including Sunday's game?) These games were squeezed into a time frame yet to be seen in a senior championship year and I feel this had a significant impact on the quality of the football on show. The game was very enjoyable and the atmosphere was electric coming down the stretch.

 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Schkite on August 14, 2018, 01:06:19 PM
I seen someone tweet before the game that everyone on both named teams had scored in the championship, surely a first.

Haven't double checked it but I wouldn't doubt it. I know both teams played alot of games and a few where they racked up big scores, but it's still fair going.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 14, 2018, 01:10:00 PM
There are certainly a couple of incidents monaghan can right feel agreived about. For me the lack of additional time being the major one. 3 minutes these days is unheard of.
The other two are the Cavanagh free, which I don't agree was a dive, but he certainly could have been blown for charging as James Mccarthy was the day before.
The other was the one on Harte, was was never a free, but as someone else has mentioned, Harte was up and away anyway and who knows how that attack would have ended.
The one at the end was never a free imo, despite kieran Hughes best efforts to manufacture one.
On the Tyrone side I thought there was also a couple of Incredibly soft frees given against them too. The two that come to mind was one on drew wylie that began missed and another that mcmanus converted.
The handtrip on CC was probably a black card offence by the book, but would probably been harsh at the same time.
The late body check on Cavanagh was probably similar to what mckieran got the black card for in the donegal game, but I wouldn't have any complaints about the yellow there
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2018, 01:15:06 PM
There are certainly a couple of incidents monaghan can right feel agreived about. For me the lack of additional time being the major one. 3 minutes these days is unheard of.
The other two are the Cavanagh free, which I don't agree was a dive, but he certainly could have been blown for charging as James Mccarthy was the day before.
The other was the one on Harte, was was never a free, but as someone else has mentioned, Harte was up and away anyway and who knows how that attack would have ended.
The one at the end was never a free imo, despite kieran Hughes best efforts to manufacture one.
On the Tyrone side I thought there was also a couple of Incredibly soft frees given against them too. The two that come to mind was one on drew wylie that began missed and another that mcmanus converted.
The handtrip on CC was probably a black card offence by the book, but would probably been harsh at the same time.
The late body check on Cavanagh was probably similar to what mckieran got the black card for in the donegal game, but I wouldn't have any complaints about the yellow there

They only want more time because they were chasing the game. 3 of the subs were during an injury break. 3 minutes was right, (infact he played 3 and a half!)

Yes the one on cavanagh was wrong to give. However, one thing which nobody seems to have noticed is the double bounce before monaghans 7th point in the first half. It was clear as day so it shouldn't have counted.

All in all I don't think monaghan have much to feel aggrieved over.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redcard on August 14, 2018, 01:16:58 PM
There are certainly a couple of incidents monaghan can right feel agreived about. For me the lack of additional time being the major one. 3 minutes these days is unheard of.
The other two are the Cavanagh free, which I don't agree was a dive, but he certainly could have been blown for charging as James Mccarthy was the day before.
The other was the one on Harte, was was never a free, but as someone else has mentioned, Harte was up and away anyway and who knows how that attack would have ended.
The one at the end was never a free imo, despite kieran Hughes best efforts to manufacture one.
On the Tyrone side I thought there was also a couple of Incredibly soft frees given against them too. The two that come to mind was one on drew wylie that began missed and another that mcmanus converted.
The handtrip on CC was probably a black card offence by the book, but would probably been harsh at the same time.
The late body check on Cavanagh was probably similar to what mckieran got the black card for in the donegal game, but I wouldn't have any complaints about the yellow there

The Harte injury was the only stoppage in the second half. I was expecting 2 minutes TBH. do you just play 6 or 7 minutes just for the sake of it?
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2018, 01:20:35 PM
Mattie Donnelly got a free around the 42nd min mark which McAliskey converted. IIRC Beggan was claiming there was a double bounce from Mattie before he was fouled. i haven't been able to see the incident since. just wondering if there was anything to it?

No, the double bounce was after the foul I'm nearly sure.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 01:24:49 PM
There was three and a half minutes played not the three that were hearing over and over.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2018, 01:32:14 PM
There was three and a half minutes played not the three that were hearing over and over.

Exactly. It wasnt underplayed, it was overplayed. 3 subs during an injury means 20 seconds doesn't get added for each of those as time is stopped anyway.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 01:41:48 PM
A lot of the subs were double subs too iirc.

One other thing that struck me was during the Dublin Galway game there were a few frees in given for clattering a player while the ball was going over the end line. Beggan did exactly that near the end and nothing given or mentioned as usual.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Main Street on August 14, 2018, 01:44:09 PM
I was in section 327 on 13m line in lower Hogan. From our view we couldn't see the ball squirm out towards Sludden and our first notion of a goal chance was when it hit the back of the net. Mighty stuff!

It reminded me of how big decisions and lucky breaks tend to even themselves out over the year. James McCarthy's goal against us in Omagh was after Morgan made a great save, the ball could have went anywhere but popped up perfectly for McCarthy to punch it in when on the ground. Karma at it's finest.
That doesn't remotely resemble karma, never mind karma at it's finest.


Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2018, 01:45:15 PM
A lot of the subs were double subs too iirc.

One other thing that struck me was during the Dublin Galway game there were a few frees in given for clattering a player while the ball was going over the end line. Beggan did exactly that near the end and nothing given or mentioned as usual.

Yea on Mcaliskey. Was nowhere near the ball. If that's done out the pitch it's a free. Because of where it happened not only was it a free, it was a tap over free which Tyrone didn't get.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Unlaoised on August 14, 2018, 01:54:29 PM
90% of social media (gaa people mostly neutrals) no matter what platform you check the last two days say Monaghan were very hard done by hard to argue that they were.

Tyrone were steeped they didn't play well and a fortunate goal and questionable decisions got them over the line .

Monaghans early nerves and lack of composure late on along with referee Nolan robbed them of their first all ireland apperance in 88 years

They must be sick.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 01:58:18 PM
90% of social media (gaa people mostly neutrals) no matter what platform you check the last two days say Monaghan were very hard done by hard to argue that they were.

Tyrone were steeped they didn't play well and a fortunate goal and questionable decisions got them over the line .

Monaghans early nerves and lack of composure late on along with referee Nolan robbed them of their first all ireland apperance in 88 years

They must be sick.

Lol 90 percent of social media will always be against Tyrone. After the Dublin game apparently the ref was fair and balanced. Public opinion means nothing.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2018, 02:00:42 PM
90% of social media (gaa people mostly neutrals) no matter what platform you check the last two days say Monaghan were very hard done by hard to argue that they were.

Tyrone were steeped they didn't play well and a fortunate goal and questionable decisions got them over the line .

Monaghans early nerves and lack of composure late on along with referee Nolan robbed them of their first all ireland apperance in 88 years

They must be sick.

Ima stop you right there....
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Unlaoised on August 14, 2018, 02:41:18 PM
90% of social media (gaa people mostly neutrals) no matter what platform you check the last two days say Monaghan were very hard done by hard to argue that they were.

Tyrone were steeped they didn't play well and a fortunate goal and questionable decisions got them over the line .

Monaghans early nerves and lack of composure late on along with referee Nolan robbed them of their first all ireland apperance in 88 years

They must be sick.

Ima stop you right there....

So if a vote was taken it doesn't count ha ha.....


Can Tyrone fans not just be happy that they are in the final they got the rub of the green as regards the ref and the whole country pratically thinks the same ...

End of story
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2018, 03:15:35 PM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
For me its yet another attempt to argue that the ref somehow balanced the books with bad decisions. As Paul Kimmage might say "He did in his b*ll*x". Its not just this match either. Its happens regularly and you then get the same old rubbish spouted out afterwards that he was bad but it didn't affect the result. Why not tell it as it is and admit that it did affect the result. He 100% influenced the result on Sunday. He got a series of critical decisions wrong and a number of these led directly to Tyrone scores (a significantly greater number than those that led to Monaghan scores). I wonder will Tyrone folks be so level headed the next time they are shafted by an incompetent ref (because it will happen - sooner or later). I hope some young refs coming through are given an opportunity as this fellow has had his chances

Great teams never complain about the ref. No team ever gets every decision. If this is the Monaghan psyche (and I think it is, given MO'R's comments) then they will never be serious contenders. They were beaten by a team operating at around 60% - 70%. And I'd imagine that hurts, as they probably believed (wrongly) that they could overcome Tyrone, but reality is they're probably 4-5 players short.

MOR was hurting right after that game and journalists tend to dig into those kind of things to try and grab headlines so I wouldn't read that much into it.

The 60-70% thing is nonsense. Tyrone played as well as they were allowed play. The teams are reasonably closely matched. Tyrone are probably a bit better but they're not 30-40% plus better otherwise they wouldn't have got beat by them once this year and ran them to a point in an AI semi final. Both teams had a lot of wides. I can't recall but monaghan possibly had even more.

Monaghan probably didn't have their finest game either but that was probably because Tyrone nullified key parts of their game. (Thinking back I think nullifying mcanespie had a big bearing on the game).

Tyrone are slightly better than Monaghan but not that much. Referee maybe had a bearing but like MS says Monaghan had chances too. They had a few goal chances and didn't take them. Tyrone could possibly have had another one too. Very evenly matched. Tyrone took more chances and that's about it.

(To people who said Monaghan had no one bu McManus did McCarthy not score 3 points?? That would be a decent return. Remainder of forwards probably didn't contribute enough though)
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: blewuporstuffed on August 14, 2018, 03:16:45 PM
90% of social media (gaa people mostly neutrals) no matter what platform you check the last two days say Monaghan were very hard done by hard to argue that they were.

Tyrone were steeped they didn't play well and a fortunate goal and questionable decisions got them over the line .

Monaghans early nerves and lack of composure late on along with referee Nolan robbed them of their first all ireland apperance in 88 years

They must be sick.

Ima stop you right there....

So if a vote was taken it doesn't count ha ha.....


Can Tyrone fans not just be happy that they are in the final they got the rub of the green as regards the ref and the whole country pratically thinks the same ...

End of story
It would just be good if a bit of balance was applied.
Tyrone got a couple of soft frees that they converted, as did monaghan.
Overall Tyrone just slightly edged the contest. There is alot of sympathy for the underdog, but on this occasion they just came up short.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 14, 2018, 03:59:22 PM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
People also talk about ďTyroneís lucky goalĒ and ďMonaghanís 2 good goal chancesĒ.

Was thinking the same after the match, unbelievable bias to class Tyrone's goal as lucky yet they didn't see the rebound of the post as anything but brilliance.
 
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: nrico2006 on August 14, 2018, 04:01:12 PM
There are certainly a couple of incidents monaghan can right feel agreived about. For me the lack of additional time being the major one. 3 minutes these days is unheard of.
The other two are the Cavanagh free, which I don't agree was a dive, but he certainly could have been blown for charging as James Mccarthy was the day before.
The other was the one on Harte, was was never a free, but as someone else has mentioned, Harte was up and away anyway and who knows how that attack would have ended.
The one at the end was never a free imo, despite kieran Hughes best efforts to manufacture one.
On the Tyrone side I thought there was also a couple of Incredibly soft frees given against them too. The two that come to mind was one on drew wylie that began missed and another that mcmanus converted.
The handtrip on CC was probably a black card offence by the book, but would probably been harsh at the same time.
The late body check on Cavanagh was probably similar to what mckieran got the black card for in the donegal game, but I wouldn't have any complaints about the yellow there

On top of the Began miss and McManus score, there was a Beggan free out on the LHF area in the first half when McAliskey was shoved in the back and his hand touched the ball on the ground (allegedly).  Should have been a Tyrone free.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 14, 2018, 04:06:35 PM
Just watching it back now and hadn't noticed the deliberate trip on colm after ten minutes. Should have been a black.

I called this right after the game if you go back about 12 pages. I thought it was unbelievable that a BC wasn't produced. The ref blew for the free so it wasn't as if he didn't see it.

It was a text book BC decision.

I'm not saying that you're not correct but I just don't remember the incident that you are referring to.
Is it the incident down the corner of the cusack and davin. I didn't think much of it at the time and a BC never crossed my mind,. However, for the purposes of the debate i'll give you the benefit and say it was - they get to bring a sub on anyway so its hardly critical. The uselessness of the BC - that's a whole different thread.

I think the point is that there is a fair bit of talk about McNamee's potential BC. But not as much about the potential Monaghan one. Both were clear black cards in my book.
People also talk about ďTyroneís lucky goalĒ and ďMonaghanís 2 good goal chancesĒ.

Was thinking the same after the match, unbelievable bias to class Tyrone's goal as lucky yet they didn't see the rebound of the post as anything but brilliance.
 
Exactly. Not to mention that McManusí was a half chance rather than a good chance. It was well defended. No mention of Tyroneís goal chances. One which Burns(?) blasted over when a simple hand pass to McAliskey had him in one on one. Peter Harte going through before fumbling the ball was as good a chance as McManusí if not better.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 04:08:41 PM
That Burns chance. I thought watching it back last night that the defender got a hand to block it and that sent the ball over the bar because it seemed to come away at a weird angle from his boot. Not sure the shot would have been low enough to go in anyway, but I remember thinking at the time we were in the ascendancy that he was probably right enough to take the point and keep the scoreboard ticking.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 14, 2018, 04:14:14 PM
That Burns chance. I thought watching it back last night that the defender got a hand to block it and that sent the ball over the bar because it seemed to come away at a weird angle from his boot. Not sure the shot would have been low enough to go in anyway, but I remember thinking at the time we were in the ascendancy that he was probably right enough to take the point and keep the scoreboard ticking.
Never think like that. Thatís as good a goal opportunity as youíre likely to get. They need to be taken. If youíre not putting them in the onion bag the next day, forget about it.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: square_ball on August 14, 2018, 04:17:57 PM
That Burns chance. I thought watching it back last night that the defender got a hand to block it and that sent the ball over the bar because it seemed to come away at a weird angle from his boot. Not sure the shot would have been low enough to go in anyway, but I remember thinking at the time we were in the ascendancy that he was probably right enough to take the point and keep the scoreboard ticking.
Never think like that. Thatís as good a goal opportunity as youíre likely to get. They need to be taken. If youíre not putting them in the onion bag the next day, forget about it.

I think there was a hand that got a deflection on it but I donít think it was low enough to go in regardless. They should have worked the 2 on 1 better though. A chance like that in the final has to be taken.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: delgany on August 14, 2018, 04:19:08 PM
Mc Namee got yellow card for shoulder high tackle. Both players got tangled after foul , mc namee pulled opponent but didn't pull him to the ground . It wasn't deliberate
First of all some GAA Black Card facts:

GAA Black card offences are:

1 To deliberately pull down an opponent

2 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot

3 To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Dire Ear on August 14, 2018, 04:21:01 PM
That Burns chance. I thought watching it back last night that the defender got a hand to block it and that sent the ball over the bar because it seemed to come away at a weird angle from his boot. Not sure the shot would have been low enough to go in anyway, but I remember thinking at the time we were in the ascendancy that he was probably right enough to take the point and keep the scoreboard ticking.
Never think like that. Thatís as good a goal opportunity as youíre likely to get. They need to be taken. If youíre not putting them in the onion bag the next day, forget about it.
100%, got to take vast majority of opportunities you get v Dubs,  because one thing is sure...they will
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: hardstation on August 14, 2018, 04:24:38 PM
That Burns chance. I thought watching it back last night that the defender got a hand to block it and that sent the ball over the bar because it seemed to come away at a weird angle from his boot. Not sure the shot would have been low enough to go in anyway, but I remember thinking at the time we were in the ascendancy that he was probably right enough to take the point and keep the scoreboard ticking.
Never think like that. Thatís as good a goal opportunity as youíre likely to get. They need to be taken. If youíre not putting them in the onion bag the next day, forget about it.

I think there was a hand that got a deflection on it but I donít think it was low enough to go in regardless. They should have worked the 2 on 1 better though. A chance like that in the final has to be taken.
Yep. The simplest hand pass would have put McAliskey clean through.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: RedHand88 on August 14, 2018, 04:33:16 PM
Mc Namee got yellow card for shoulder high tackle. Both players got tangled after foul , mc namee pulled opponent but didn't pull him to the ground . It wasn't deliberate
First of all some GAA Black Card facts:

GAA Black card offences are:

1 To deliberately pull down an opponent

2 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot

3 To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement

Correct. Examples below.

2. See Wylie (?) on colm cavanagh early in the first half near cusack/davin corner.

3. See Mcanespie on colm cavanagh also in first half.

Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: omaghjoe on August 14, 2018, 04:41:52 PM
Id be asking questions as to why we didnt do a few more black card offences in injury time. There was a point when Beggan should have pulled down and wrapped up when we dropped a shot short but we let him set up an attack.
Can't make mistakes like that in the final Dublin would be at it all day long...
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulster’s heart aisf 2018
Post by: Gael85 on August 14, 2018, 04:42:30 PM
Mc Namee got yellow card for shoulder high tackle. Both players got tangled after foul , mc namee pulled opponent but didn't pull him to the ground . It wasn't deliberate
First of all some GAA Black Card facts:

GAA Black card offences are:

1 To deliberately pull down an opponent

2 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot

3 To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement

Correct. Examples below.

2. See Wylie (?) on colm cavanagh early in the first half near cusack/davin corner.

3. See Mcanespie on colm cavanagh also in first half.

Ryan Wylie should got black card for deliberate trip.
It looked like Colm Cavanagh tried to grap McAnespie in that incident.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2018, 05:36:48 PM
Mc Namee got yellow card for shoulder high tackle. Both players got tangled after foul , mc namee pulled opponent but didn't pull him to the ground . It wasn't deliberate
First of all some GAA Black Card facts:

GAA Black card offences are:

1 To deliberately pull down an opponent

2 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot

3 To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement

He blatantly deliberately pulled him down. The commentators said it as did most here. They took him off anyway so wouldn't have made much difference though Brennan did struggle when on.

Wylie should have had black card. Cavanagh should have been booked for that incident with McAnespie. There was a lot of acting up in that scenario. Again even the commentators said it. If you watch he grabbed McAnespie. I actually think he was playing for the black card, Johnny Cooper does that kind of thing too.

The other decision Tyrone maybe should have got was Beggan jumping into McShane.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 05:41:45 PM
Mc Namee got yellow card for shoulder high tackle. Both players got tangled after foul , mc namee pulled opponent but didn't pull him to the ground . It wasn't deliberate
First of all some GAA Black Card facts:

GAA Black card offences are:

1 To deliberately pull down an opponent

2 To deliberately trip an opponent with hand, arm or foot

3 To deliberately body collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away or for the purpose of taking him out of the movement

He blatantly deliberately pulled him down. The commentators said it as did most here. They took him off anyway so wouldn't have made much difference though Brennan did struggle when on.

Wylie should have had black card. Cavanagh should have been booked for that incident with McAnespie. There was a lot of acting up in that scenario. Again even the commentators said it. If you watch he grabbed McAnespie. I actually think he was playing for the black card, Johnny Cooper does that kind of thing too.

The other decision Tyrone maybe should have got was Beggan jumping into McShane.

1) McNamee was a stone wall black. As you say he was taken off in the next play anyway so it didn't matter.
2) Wylie was a stonewall black too and that would have had a big impact in the game.
3) Live I thought McAnespie should have been a black but on review it was harder to say. Black maybe for rule 3 which he did do. After Colm played the ball McAnespie charged him, Colm was going down and grabbed the lad and pulled him down with him. No way did cavanagh do anything wrong, he was barged off the ball and had every right to grab him then.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: delgany on August 14, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
I wouldnt but a lot of faith in the likes of dessie boring Dolan and his opinions on black cards. You have to be wrapped and pulled onto the ground...that clearly didn't happen with  mc namee.

Mc anespie blocked of Cavanagh.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on August 14, 2018, 07:46:01 PM
As most people here say too it very clearly happened with mcnamee. Rulebook definition of black.

Jayop i think reading your point on mcanespie and thinking back on it you may have a bit of a point... Again delgany what you say happened didn't happen. He didn't block him off - he charged into him.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: delgany on August 14, 2018, 09:59:42 PM
I have looked at mc namee incident again.
Monaghan player actually grasps mc namee arm as he falls over.
Defo a high tackle = yellow
As he never actually  holds player at any time...which is the actual definition of the black. But sure.... It doesn't matter now.

On top of that...I think mc namee may have been suspended if he got a black or red and miss the final
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redzone on August 14, 2018, 10:34:11 PM
Yeah as soon as McCarthy hit the ground he bounced back up and looked to take the quick free. If he had genuinely been pulled down he would have complained to the ref. Funny how some people still view a neck high challenge like that as a black when it's a yellow.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Jayop on August 14, 2018, 10:47:37 PM
A tackle around the neck should be a black imo. It's just as cynical, it's more dangerous and players are doing it now intentionally to avoid a black.
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: redzone on August 14, 2018, 11:13:04 PM
It's to hard to tell whether the neck high challenge is deliberate or play acting. The black card was intended to stop the third man tackle but it doesn't be implemented. Mainly by linesmen who watch the ball rather than watching the players. I'd like to see 4 linesmen. To many things for the ref to keep tabs on. Umpires are useless
Title: Re: Tyrone v Monaghan the battle for Ulsterís heart aisf 2018
Post by: Fear ůn Srath BŠn on August 14, 2018, 11:47:47 PM
Tough game, and commiserations to the Mon men, though just about a fair result in the end (having fully digested it at this stage).

A few thoughts: