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Title: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Seany on July 11, 2018, 08:57:59 AM
Ten members (Cora included) have walked out of the squad citing ‘personal differences’. No statement from either side.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: rosnarun on July 11, 2018, 12:51:09 PM
very ood and a lousy time to do it.
if your going to walkout you got to make sure the vast majority go with you .
now the team is split and even if they come back hard to see how wounds can heal that quick
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on July 11, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
I heard a rumour he told Cora she wouldn't be starting. The rest followed.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: TheClubman on July 11, 2018, 04:30:36 PM
Whatever the reason it seems a terrible shame. One of the legends of the game it seems will not play and that might mean we've seen the last of her for her county. Hopefully common sense can prevail and a solution is found.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: giveballaghback on July 11, 2018, 05:32:21 PM
The feckin rhubarbs could not handle being out of the headlines so they manufactured this bull.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on July 11, 2018, 06:16:43 PM
The feckin rhubarbs could not handle being out of the headlines so they manufactured this bull.

Stellar contribution.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: giveballaghback on July 11, 2018, 10:05:27 PM
Not up to your standard syf but its the best I can do.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Rossfan on July 11, 2018, 11:39:30 PM
Sufferus doesn't like people slagging his Rhubarbs  :D ;D
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Never beat the deeler on July 12, 2018, 05:34:34 AM
Ten members (Cora included) have walked out of the squad citing ‘personal differences’. No statement from either side.

Where did you get 'personal differences' from? It's being widely reported that it's a player welfare issue.
Either  way, there are no winners from a story like this
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2018, 06:08:56 AM
Ten members (Cora included) have walked out of the squad citing ‘personal differences’. No statement from either side.

Where did you get 'personal differences' from? It's being widely reported that it's a player welfare issue.
Either  way, there are no winners from a story like this

If it's a welfare issue, why haven't all of them walked? Something tells me there's more to it than that.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on July 12, 2018, 10:46:36 AM
Sounds like the ladies equivalent of the mens' Ballintubber/Breaffy faction didn't get their way...























Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 12, 2018, 11:06:29 AM
That's what I'm hearing too. The dynamic duo didn't get their way the rest of their clubmates followed, followed by a few more.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on July 12, 2018, 12:18:40 PM
That's what I'm hearing too. The dynamic duo didn't get their way the rest of their clubmates followed, followed by a few more.
Which duo? Cora and?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: LooseCannon on July 12, 2018, 01:12:30 PM
That's what I'm hearing too. The dynamic duo didn't get their way the rest of their clubmates followed, followed by a few more.
Which duo? Cora and?
Her ego  ;D
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: galwayman on July 12, 2018, 01:18:35 PM
That's what I'm hearing too. The dynamic duo didn't get their way the rest of their clubmates followed, followed by a few more.
Which duo? Cora and?
Her ego  ;D
Which will inevitably end up with the manager resigning and the players coming back under the new regime.
#playerpower
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Maroon Manc on July 12, 2018, 01:25:57 PM
Well after watching a few of the games the last few years it doesn't take a genius to work out what the problem is, there's a player shooting from all angles who forgets its a team sport.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on July 12, 2018, 01:56:28 PM
That's what I'm hearing too. The dynamic duo didn't get their way the rest of their clubmates followed, followed by a few more.
Which duo? Cora and?

McHale I presume. It all seems rather petty. It's not as if they have a joker calling the shots. His track record is really good, he was involved as a selector/coach last year, and they had an excellent league campaign.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: seafoid on July 12, 2018, 02:01:41 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0712/978193-row-in-the-mayo-ladies-football-camp-rumbles-on/
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: joemamas on July 12, 2018, 02:02:29 PM
That's what I'm hearing too. The dynamic duo didn't get their way the rest of their clubmates followed, followed by a few more.
Which duo? Cora and?

McHale I presume. It all seems rather petty. It's not as if they have a joker calling the shots. His track record is really good, he was involved as a selector/coach last year, and they had an excellent league campaign.

It does appear to be a bit bogus, especially with half the panel staying put.
You would think that folks (players) making these nuclear decisions, would at least have thought about the end game.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: thebackbar1 on July 12, 2018, 03:56:03 PM
also i presume some of the panel are under 18 ? it seems like awful crap to expose young players to.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on July 12, 2018, 06:36:44 PM
It was confirmed to me by a man in the know that coach told Cora she was an impact sub. Cora didn't like that and threw a hissy fit. Brought up a pile of stuff about welfare and walked with half the panel.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on July 12, 2018, 07:31:23 PM
It was confirmed to me by a man in the know that coach told Cora she was an impact sub. Cora didn't like that and threw a hissy fit. Brought up a pile of stuff about welfare and walked with half the panel.

If ye can’t win this one it’s going to be embarrassing.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on July 12, 2018, 07:41:46 PM
It was confirmed to me by a man in the know that coach told Cora she was an impact sub. Cora didn't like that and threw a hissy fit. Brought up a pile of stuff about welfare and walked with half the panel.

If ye can’t win this one it’s going to be embarrassing.

How are the roscommon ladies getting on syphilis or are there any ladies there
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Laoiseabu on July 12, 2018, 07:44:56 PM
Let’s all reveal our true identities people . First and second name please ?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on July 12, 2018, 07:46:30 PM
It was confirmed to me by a man in the know that coach told Cora she was an impact sub. Cora didn't like that and threw a hissy fit. Brought up a pile of stuff about welfare and walked with half the panel.

If ye can’t win this one it’s going to be embarrassing.

How are the roscommon ladies getting on syphilis or are there any ladies there

Stellar performance winning the Connacht final there a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Blowitupref on August 22, 2018, 07:36:29 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0822/986824-carnacon/
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 22, 2018, 08:35:34 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0822/986824-carnacon/

More than likely to do with the walkout.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 22, 2018, 09:40:36 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0822/986824-carnacon/

More than likely to do with the walkout.

Did you read the article Farr?

That's some reprisal by the county board, misdeeds at IC affecting a club is a very strange move.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 22, 2018, 09:45:07 PM
Have to say this is all very strange.
The idea that you can throw a club out of the championship because some of their players decide they don't want to play for the county team anymore is unprecedented in the GAA, to my knowledge anyway.
What's behind all this?
Seems like there may have been axes to grind with Carnacon going by the 26-2 vote in favour of turfing them out.
Are they disliked within the county?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 22, 2018, 10:15:47 PM
Since the year 2000. Carnacon have won every Senior Mayo County Senior Ladies title. The Mayo County Championship is destroyed by Carnacon. It's a procession of hammerings every year. A few decent Clubs have tried to reach the mark, but have fell well short. Many have faded away with the humiliation. It's a procession. Because ladies football is exclusive (not parish based) they attract good players from outside the parish as there is the lure of titles that can be won. And they have Cora - a monster of a player at club level.

To say they they are despised in (ladies football in) Mayo is an understatement. So this delegate meeting was probably seen as an opportunity to open up the Mayo Championship this year while putting manners on Carnacon.

This Row has been all about the unsaid. We have been all left guessing. From my point of view, Cora has stayed in the senior set-up to long. She has destroyed the confidence of 3 to 4 girls playing in the forwards the last couple of years. Players who blossomed during her absence during the league and the Championship. Just look at the before and after stats for these players. Her mé féin attitude, even after defeat in last years final is hard to stomach.


If this row was about conditions and player welfare. Why did only a third of the panel protest? I mean you'd expect if the reasons are solid the whole team/squad would have stood together? Why were these reasons not made known? Why hide them if you are protesting about them?

So we are left with the reigning Mayo, Connacht and All Ireland Ladies Club Champions out of all three competitions without kicking a ball. This is not over yet and will get nasty.

 

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 22, 2018, 10:25:13 PM
It’s created some opportunity for other clubs in Mayo and Connacht this year, though, and even in whole country given they’re AI champions. There’s a lot of clubs that will be waking up tomorrow with thoughts of things that seeemed impossible 24 hours ago.

It defintely seems like those within the sport ain’t siding with the deserters anyways.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 22, 2018, 10:30:50 PM
Since the year 2000. Carnacon have won every Senior Mayo County Senior Ladies title. The Mayo County Championship is destroyed by Carnacon. It's a procession of hammerings every year. A few decent Clubs have tried to reach the mark, but have fell well short. Many have faded away with the humiliation. It's a procession. Because ladies football is exclusive (not parish based) they attract good players from outside the parish as there is the lure of titles that can be won. And they have Cora - a monster of a player at club level.

To say they they are despised in (ladies football in) Mayo is an understatement. So this delegate meeting was probably seen as an opportunity to open up the Mayo Championship this year while putting manners on Carnacon.

This Row has been all about the unsaid. We have been all left guessing. From my point of view, Cora has stayed in the senior set-up to long. She has destroyed the confidence of 3 to 4 girls playing in the forwards the last couple of years. Players who blossomed during her absence during the league and the Championship. Just look at the before and after stats for these players. Her mé féin attitude, even after defeat in last years final is hard to stomach.


If this row was about conditions and player welfare. Why did only a third of the panel protest? I mean you'd expect if the reasons are solid the whole team/squad would have stood together? Why were these reasons not made known? Why hide them if you are protesting about them?

So we are left with the reigning Mayo, Connacht and All Ireland Ladies Club Champions out of all three competitions without kicking a ball. This is not over yet and will get nasty.

My recollection of that final is she wouldn't pass the ball unless there was absolutely no chance she could get a score herself.
No interest in bringing others into the game.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 22, 2018, 10:35:55 PM
Since the year 2000. Carnacon have won every Senior Mayo County Senior Ladies title. The Mayo County Championship is destroyed by Carnacon. It's a procession of hammerings every year. A few decent Clubs have tried to reach the mark, but have fell well short. Many have faded away with the humiliation. It's a procession. Because ladies football is exclusive (not parish based) they attract good players from outside the parish as there is the lure of titles that can be won. And they have Cora - a monster of a player at club level.

To say they they are despised in (ladies football in) Mayo is an understatement. So this delegate meeting was probably seen as an opportunity to open up the Mayo Championship this year while putting manners on Carnacon.

This Row has been all about the unsaid. We have been all left guessing. From my point of view, Cora has stayed in the senior set-up to long. She has destroyed the confidence of 3 to 4 girls playing in the forwards the last couple of years. Players who blossomed during her absence during the league and the Championship. Just look at the before and after stats for these players. Her mé féin attitude, even after defeat in last years final is hard to stomach.


If this row was about conditions and player welfare. Why did only a third of the panel protest? I mean you'd expect if the reasons are solid the whole team/squad would have stood together? Why were these reasons not made known? Why hide them if you are protesting about them?

So we are left with the reigning Mayo, Connacht and All Ireland Ladies Club Champions out of all three competitions without kicking a ball. This is not over yet and will get nasty.

My recollection of that final is she wouldn't pass the ball unless there was absolutely no chance she could get a score herself.
No interest in bringing others into the game.

In fairness you could be describing Cora in any match of her career there. For most of it you could explain it away by saying those around her weren’t good enough but when you have footballers playing alongside you as good as Grace Kelly is it’s harder to explain away that greediness.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 22, 2018, 10:41:44 PM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 22, 2018, 11:27:36 PM
Are we any the wiser now why they all left the panel?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 22, 2018, 11:50:28 PM
Are we any the wiser now why they all left the panel?

No! But what ever it was it was something that huffed the Carnacon players in the main. For the rest it was business as usual.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: spuds on August 23, 2018, 12:11:24 AM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: stephenite on August 23, 2018, 02:05:13 AM
I may have misheard but I also thought I heard Edwin on OTB specifically mentioning that it was the club that withdrew their players from the County panel, and this was the nub of the recent decision to suspend the club.

Ed - can you confirm?  :P
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 23, 2018, 02:36:14 AM
Rule 288 was what county board cited.


Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 06:59:16 AM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: seafoid on August 23, 2018, 07:34:53 AM
Are we any the wiser now why they all left the panel?

No! But what ever it was it was something that huffed the Carnacon players in the main. For the rest it was business as usual.
I thought Cora was dropped from the Mayo team. Was that actually fake news?
Between this and Mickey Harte /RTE maybe the GAA needs some sort of arbitration system.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on August 23, 2018, 09:33:14 AM
Are we any the wiser now why they all left the panel?

No! But what ever it was it was something that huffed the Carnacon players in the main. For the rest it was business as usual.
I thought Cora was dropped from the Mayo team. Was that actually fake news?
Between this and Mickey Harte /RTE maybe the GAA needs some sort of arbitration system.

No she was told she wasn't necessarily a starter and she threw out the toys. She and her clubmates then left saying there were other issues.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: spuds on August 23, 2018, 09:55:37 AM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.

Go to 13:30

Carnacon thrown out of Mayo championship - GAA on Off The Ball - Off The Ball - http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/231883/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

Rule 193 ladies football. County boards have power to suspend for 6 months a player who refuses to travel or play for their county.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 23, 2018, 10:01:04 AM
That rule is bananas.
Even by 'GAA' standards.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 23, 2018, 10:37:32 AM
Are we any the wiser now why they all left the panel?

No! But what ever it was it was something that huffed the Carnacon players in the main. For the rest it was business as usual.
I thought Cora was dropped from the Mayo team. Was that actually fake news?
Between this and Mickey Harte /RTE maybe the GAA needs some sort of arbitration system.

That's the word on the street! If this happened I suppose it was a hit on Cora's ego, her coming back from a relatively decent Aussie Rules stint.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: nrico2006 on August 23, 2018, 10:48:28 AM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.

Go to 13:30

Carnacon thrown out of Mayo championship - GAA on Off The Ball - Off The Ball - http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/231883/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

Rule 193 ladies football. County boards have power to suspend for 6 months a player who refuses to travel or play for their county.

Surely that rule can be challenged.  Especially given the fact that the punishment doesn't seem to correlate with the rule, i.e. they haven't seemingly suspended any players but have kicked a team out.  Plus, there were non-Carnacon players who refused to play and they or their club haven't been punished.  Seems very unethical.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: spuds on August 23, 2018, 11:11:36 AM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.

Go to 13:30

Carnacon thrown out of Mayo championship - GAA on Off The Ball - Off The Ball - http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/231883/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

Rule 193 ladies football. County boards have power to suspend for 6 months a player who refuses to travel or play for their county.

Surely that rule can be challenged.  Especially given the fact that the punishment doesn't seem to correlate with the rule, i.e. they haven't seemingly suspended any players but have kicked a team out.  Plus, there were non-Carnacon players who refused to play and they or their club haven't been punished.  Seems very unethical.
Rule 193 is not the rule that kicks Carnacon to touch, the rule the Mayo ladies football board used was rule 288 as quoted previously by From the Bunker which is  bringing the game into disrepute.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: nrico2006 on August 23, 2018, 11:36:41 AM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.

Go to 13:30

Carnacon thrown out of Mayo championship - GAA on Off The Ball - Off The Ball - http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/231883/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

Rule 193 ladies football. County boards have power to suspend for 6 months a player who refuses to travel or play for their county.

Surely that rule can be challenged.  Especially given the fact that the punishment doesn't seem to correlate with the rule, i.e. they haven't seemingly suspended any players but have kicked a team out.  Plus, there were non-Carnacon players who refused to play and they or their club haven't been punished.  Seems very unethical.
Rule 193 is not the rule that kicks Carnacon to touch, the rule the Mayo ladies football board used was rule 288 as quoted previously by From the Bunker which is  bringing the game into disrepute.

I know that but surely the 'member' in 288 is individual specific at not aimed at a club?  Additionally, if it can be applied to a club then why are the clubs of the others who left the panel not being subjected to the same punishment?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: spuds on August 23, 2018, 11:41:06 AM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.

Go to 13:30

Carnacon thrown out of Mayo championship - GAA on Off The Ball - Off The Ball - http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/231883/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

Rule 193 ladies football. County boards have power to suspend for 6 months a player who refuses to travel or play for their county.

Surely that rule can be challenged.  Especially given the fact that the punishment doesn't seem to correlate with the rule, i.e. they haven't seemingly suspended any players but have kicked a team out.  Plus, there were non-Carnacon players who refused to play and they or their club haven't been punished.  Seems very unethical.
Rule 193 is not the rule that kicks Carnacon to touch, the rule the Mayo ladies football board used was rule 288 as quoted previously by From the Bunker which is  bringing the game into disrepute.

I know that but surely the 'member' in 288 is individual specific at not aimed at a club?  Additionally, if it can be applied to a club then why are the clubs of the others who left the panel not being subjected to the same punishment?
You quoted my post on rule 193. Think this will run and run.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 12:15:14 PM
Refusing to play for the county is not bringing the game into disrepute. Refusing to play for the county for any reason cannot be punished.
You cannot be forced to play football ffs. Players should be able to choose what level of commitment they give to the game. If players are unhappy with the county set up, they should be able to opt out.
This is completely baffling.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on August 23, 2018, 12:16:26 PM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.

Go to 13:30

Carnacon thrown out of Mayo championship - GAA on Off The Ball - Off The Ball - http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/231883/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

Rule 193 ladies football. County boards have power to suspend for 6 months a player who refuses to travel or play for their county.

Surely that rule can be challenged.  Especially given the fact that the punishment doesn't seem to correlate with the rule, i.e. they haven't seemingly suspended any players but have kicked a team out.  Plus, there were non-Carnacon players who refused to play and they or their club haven't been punished.  Seems very unethical.
Rule 193 is not the rule that kicks Carnacon to touch, the rule the Mayo ladies football board used was rule 288 as quoted previously by From the Bunker which is  bringing the game into disrepute.

I know that but surely the 'member' in 288 is individual specific at not aimed at a club?  Additionally, if it can be applied to a club then why are the clubs of the others who left the panel not being subjected to the same punishment?
You quoted my post on rule 193. Think this will run and run.

I doubt it will run too far. I expect the Connacht Council to overturn it once appeal is heard. The idea that you can compel club players to play county is legally bankrupt. The Carnacon players who left the county panel could have been 100% in the wrong and this decision would still be nonsense.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: spuds on August 23, 2018, 12:22:09 PM
Refusing to play for the county is not bringing the game into disrepute. Refusing to play for the county for any reason cannot be punished.
You cannot be forced to play football ffs. Players should be able to choose what level of commitment they give to the game. If players are unhappy with the county set up, they should be able to opt out.
This is completely baffling.

Good man. Don't bother reading what is posted.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: AQMP on August 23, 2018, 12:23:45 PM
Refusing to play for the county is not bringing the game into disrepute. Refusing to play for the county for any reason cannot be punished.
You cannot be forced to play football ffs. Players should be able to choose what level of commitment they give to the game. If players are unhappy with the county set up, they should be able to opt out.
This is completely baffling.

Completely nuts.  Surely "forcing" a player to play for the county team under threat of suspension goes full square against the amateur ethos of the GAA (or the LGFA in this case)??
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 23, 2018, 12:24:01 PM
Why would such a rule (193) even exist?
Just trying to get my head around someone proposing it, and the reasoning that was used to support it at the time.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 12:41:13 PM
Refusing to play for the county is not bringing the game into disrepute. Refusing to play for the county for any reason cannot be punished.
You cannot be forced to play football ffs. Players should be able to choose what level of commitment they give to the game. If players are unhappy with the county set up, they should be able to opt out.
This is completely baffling.

Good man. Don't bother reading what is posted.
What are you going on about?
The 193 rule is the biggest pile of ballix I’ve ever seen.
The 288 rule is fine but is not applicable in this case.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 12:46:14 PM
Why would such a rule (193) even exist?
Just trying to get my head around someone proposing it, and the reasoning that was used to support it at the time.
Exactly. What good is it for a county team to have a pile of players who don’t want to be there?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Kickham csc on August 23, 2018, 12:55:30 PM
Why would such a rule (193) even exist?
Just trying to get my head around someone proposing it, and the reasoning that was used to support it at the time.

What I understand about this rule, it was put into place to prevent clubs holding the county team to ramson , i.e. prevent a club pulling their players from a squad for an upcoming game, either to influence the county boards on a decision or to gain competitive advantage for an upcoming game.

So basically, once your in a squad and committed, you can leave the squad on a personal reason, but a club can't organize to pull a group of players for an upcoming game
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 12:58:00 PM
That’s silly. The players from that club then just turn up and don’t try an inch until they are dropped.
That’s a crazy rule.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 23, 2018, 01:16:49 PM
The 288 rule is fine but is not applicable in this case.

How on earth do you figure that?

A third of the panel walking off for false reasons (which would reflect poorly on the county setup) in the week leading up to a big game is not bringing the game into disrepute?

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: thebackbar1 on August 23, 2018, 01:18:34 PM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.

Go to 13:30

Carnacon thrown out of Mayo championship - GAA on Off The Ball - Off The Ball - http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/231883/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

Rule 193 ladies football. County boards have power to suspend for 6 months a player who refuses to travel or play for their county.

Surely that rule can be challenged.  Especially given the fact that the punishment doesn't seem to correlate with the rule, i.e. they haven't seemingly suspended any players but have kicked a team out.  Plus, there were non-Carnacon players who refused to play and they or their club haven't been punished.  Seems very unethical.
Rule 193 is not the rule that kicks Carnacon to touch, the rule the Mayo ladies football board used was rule 288 as quoted previously by From the Bunker which is  bringing the game into disrepute.

I know that but surely the 'member' in 288 is individual specific at not aimed at a club?  Additionally, if it can be applied to a club then why are the clubs of the others who left the panel not being subjected to the same punishment?
You quoted my post on rule 193. Think this will run and run.

I doubt it will run too far. I expect the Connacht Council to overturn it once appeal is heard. The idea that you can compel club players to play county is legally bankrupt. The Carnacon players who left the county panel could have been 100% in the wrong and this decision would still be nonsense.

The connacht council that is headed by john prenty have no jurisdiction over this matter
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 23, 2018, 01:23:58 PM
The 288 rule is fine but is not applicable in this case.

How on earth do you figure that?

A third of the panel walking off for false reasons (which would reflect poorly on the county setup) in the week leading up to a big game is not bringing the game into disrepute?

Didn't think they gave any reason, false or otherwise.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 01:32:29 PM
The 288 rule is fine but is not applicable in this case.

How on earth do you figure that?

A third of the panel walking off for false reasons (which would reflect poorly on the county setup) in the week leading up to a big game is not bringing the game into disrepute?
Leaving a panel is not bringing the game into disrepute.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: AZOffaly on August 23, 2018, 01:42:38 PM
I thought the punishment was against Carnacon because the charge was that Carnacon the club coerced all its members to leave the panel (for whatever reason). That's why the charge is about bringing the game into disrepute.

Rule 193 is a joke, but I don't think that's what the club is banned for.

The player themselves, as individuals, are not banned, is that correct?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on August 23, 2018, 01:43:14 PM
Whatever about their reasons for leaving the county set up, they are amateur players and are under absolutely no obligation to play for the county team.

Throwing their club out of the championship is up there with one of the most ridiculous decisions I’ve ever heard and will surely be overturned. It strikes me that people were sick of them winning and decided that this was an opportunity to fcuk them out. That’s pretty pathetic.
Apparently they are obliged to play county if chosen. Was mentioned on Off the Ball earlier by Mayo journalist Edwin McGreal.
Not sure how he works that one out tbh.

Go to 13:30

Carnacon thrown out of Mayo championship - GAA on Off The Ball - Off The Ball - http://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/Off_The_Ball/GAA_on_Off_The_Ball/231883/Carnacon_thrown_out_of_Mayo_championship

Rule 193 ladies football. County boards have power to suspend for 6 months a player who refuses to travel or play for their county.

Surely that rule can be challenged.  Especially given the fact that the punishment doesn't seem to correlate with the rule, i.e. they haven't seemingly suspended any players but have kicked a team out.  Plus, there were non-Carnacon players who refused to play and they or their club haven't been punished.  Seems very unethical.
Rule 193 is not the rule that kicks Carnacon to touch, the rule the Mayo ladies football board used was rule 288 as quoted previously by From the Bunker which is  bringing the game into disrepute.

I know that but surely the 'member' in 288 is individual specific at not aimed at a club?  Additionally, if it can be applied to a club then why are the clubs of the others who left the panel not being subjected to the same punishment?
You quoted my post on rule 193. Think this will run and run.

I doubt it will run too far. I expect the Connacht Council to overturn it once appeal is heard. The idea that you can compel club players to play county is legally bankrupt. The Carnacon players who left the county panel could have been 100% in the wrong and this decision would still be nonsense.

The connacht council that is headed by john prenty have no jurisdiction over this matter

Do you really think that is what I was referring to? Really?

There is an LGFA equivalent.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 01:51:08 PM
I thought the punishment was against Carnacon because the charge was that Carnacon the club coerced all its members to leave the panel (for whatever reason). That's why the charge is about bringing the game into disrepute.

Rule 193 is a joke, but I don't think that's what the club is banned for.

The player themselves, as individuals, are not banned, is that correct?
I’m not sure they have evidence of that. Also, Rule 288 states ‘member’. How can they ban the entire club from the competition?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: easytiger95 on August 23, 2018, 01:53:26 PM
I was listening to this on Off the Ball last night, and I thought yer man Joe was ridiculous. He completely prejudged the County Board position. Why would anyone from the board be interested in giving their views when he has already declared that he thinks they are eejits? Not the first time he has done this. Good presenter- but a very, very poor journalist.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: AZOffaly on August 23, 2018, 01:54:14 PM
I thought the punishment was against Carnacon because the charge was that Carnacon the club coerced all its members to leave the panel (for whatever reason). That's why the charge is about bringing the game into disrepute.

Rule 193 is a joke, but I don't think that's what the club is banned for.

The player themselves, as individuals, are not banned, is that correct?
I’m not sure they have evidence of that. Also, Rule 288 states ‘member’. How can they ban the entire club from the competition?

That's true. Maybe it's not 288 then. The rule underneath (292?) is interesting. It's like a catch all.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: easytiger95 on August 23, 2018, 01:56:14 PM
I thought the punishment was against Carnacon because the charge was that Carnacon the club coerced all its members to leave the panel (for whatever reason). That's why the charge is about bringing the game into disrepute.

Rule 193 is a joke, but I don't think that's what the club is banned for.

The player themselves, as individuals, are not banned, is that correct?

You are right AZ, the journo from Mayo last night, McGreal, made that point - it wasn't individual players leaving a panel, it was done (allegedly) at the instigation of the club, and as such it could be judged as bringing the game into disrepute. The individuals are not banned but the club is - though effectively it is both.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 02:01:54 PM
I thought the punishment was against Carnacon because the charge was that Carnacon the club coerced all its members to leave the panel (for whatever reason). That's why the charge is about bringing the game into disrepute.

Rule 193 is a joke, but I don't think that's what the club is banned for.

The player themselves, as individuals, are not banned, is that correct?
I’m not sure they have evidence of that. Also, Rule 288 states ‘member’. How can they ban the entire club from the competition?

That's true. Maybe it's not 288 then. The rule underneath (292?) is interesting. It's like a catch all.
Yes. Rule 292 - “We also have the power to make it up as we go along.”
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 23, 2018, 02:03:57 PM
The 288 rule is fine but is not applicable in this case.

How on earth do you figure that?

A third of the panel walking off for false reasons (which would reflect poorly on the county setup) in the week leading up to a big game is not bringing the game into disrepute?
Leaving a panel is not bringing the game into disrepute.

In of itself it is not. But when timed to cause maximum disruption along with hinting at welfare as the reason(s) behind the withdrawal then it is bringing the Mayo board, the team management and the wider sport into disrepute.

That is clearly beyond argument.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 02:08:53 PM
It’s not. Leaving a panel at any time is the player’s own free choice. Welfare is an entirely subjective point which can’t be proven or disproven. “Being on this panel is having a negative effect on me therefore for my own welfare, I am leaving.”
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Kickham csc on August 23, 2018, 02:09:22 PM
That’s silly. The players from that club then just turn up and don’t try an inch until they are dropped.
That’s a crazy rule.

The only reason I know of this was because of an situation I experienced while playing with Antrim.

I picked up a serious injury (which finished my inter-county involvement), and as a result, I missed a NFL regulation playoff match against Fermanagh. My club had a league game that evening and sent a clubman down to take me to the club game (to be part of the management team)

After the Fermanagh game was over, the county chairman, sec, and county manager cornered me in the changing room at cited rules that would get the club sanctioned, and me suspended because, the county would see it as a refusal to play for the county so I could play a club game.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 23, 2018, 02:22:34 PM
It’s not. Leaving a panel at any time is the player’s own free choice. Welfare is an entirely subjective point which can’t be proven or disproven. “Being on this panel is having a negative effect on me therefore for my own welfare, I am leaving.”

Your arse.

The fact that this saga has been rumbling on for weeks in the national press only proves beyond all doubt that it has indeed brought the game into disrepute.

The fact that all members of one club walked off simultaneously proves that it was not a personal decision.

The fact that players from any other club that left cited different (and differing) reasons decouples them from the argument.

The fact that the group players leaving promised statements in due course but never delivered any only proves they do not want the burden of proof of supposed welfare issues to fall on them.


But sure go ahead, argue that water isn't wet.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 02:29:42 PM
I’m sorry but none of that constitutes bringing the association into disrepute for me.
Players left the panel and had their own reasons for doing so. Their reasons are none of anybody’s business really. The bottom line is that they didn’t want to play for a team anymore. For me, they shouldn’t be obliged to stay.
Association into disrepute is bollix. Catch a grip.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 23, 2018, 02:43:33 PM
It’s not. Leaving a panel at any time is the player’s own free choice. Welfare is an entirely subjective point which can’t be proven or disproven. “Being on this panel is having a negative effect on me therefore for my own welfare, I am leaving.”

This is seems to be a failing between what you think should happen and what the rules that the players and the club were playing under. Any organisation can set its own rules as long as they are not illegal. These ones seem incredibly broad and cover a lot of eventualities. There’s much less to see here with the ruling than you think.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 02:53:27 PM
It’s not. Leaving a panel at any time is the player’s own free choice. Welfare is an entirely subjective point which can’t be proven or disproven. “Being on this panel is having a negative effect on me therefore for my own welfare, I am leaving.”

This is seems to be a failing between what you think should happen and what the rules that the players and the club were playing under. Any organisation can set its own rules as long as they are not illegal. These ones seem incredibly broad and cover a lot of eventualities. There’s much less to see here with the ruling than you think.
So which rule has been breached that carries the punishment of banning the club from the championship?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 23, 2018, 03:01:59 PM
That’s silly. The players from that club then just turn up and don’t try an inch until they are dropped.
That’s a crazy rule.

The only reason I know of this was because of an situation I experienced while playing with Antrim.

I picked up a serious injury (which finished my inter-county involvement), and as a result, I missed a NFL regulation playoff match against Fermanagh. My club had a league game that evening and sent a clubman down to take me to the club game (to be part of the management team)

After the Fermanagh game was over, the county chairman, sec, and county manager cornered me in the changing room at cited rules that would get the club sanctioned, and me suspended because, the county would see it as a refusal to play for the county so I could play a club game.

That is absolutely nuts.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 23, 2018, 03:55:58 PM
This what Sarah Rowe said after the Cavan game.

'For all of us playing we are very very happy with the management. Very supportive, approachable, tough, tough, tough on us, of course, but that’s their job,” said Rowe.

Their job is to coach, they always give constructive criticism to us all, and it has only made us stronger and better players. I’m fully behind management, I think they’re a brilliant set-up. Unbelievable.

I talked to the girls, of course, because they’re my friends. Obviously, we’d love to have it sorted and for it not to have to come to this. I suppose there was a few texts here and there and that was really it.'


https://www.the42.ie/sarah-rowe-mayo-ladies-4130407-Jul2018/ (https://www.the42.ie/sarah-rowe-mayo-ladies-4130407-Jul2018/)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Franko on August 23, 2018, 05:21:37 PM
I’m sorry but none of that constitutes bringing the association into disrepute for me.
Players left the panel and had their own reasons for doing so. Their reasons are none of anybody’s business really. The bottom line is that they didn’t want to play for a team anymore. For me, they shouldn’t be obliged to stay.
Association into disrepute is bollix. Catch a grip.

Firstly, I agree with your sentiment.  They can't enforce a rule which obliges anyone to play for any team.  That's a totally untenable position.

But I do think there's merit in this disrepute thing. 

Ref the bit in bold... If they had said that in their statement, I don't think there would, or could be any issue.

But they didn't.  They said that it was due to player welfare issues, then (AFAIK) have not outlined what any of these issues are.  Now, if they've got evidence of these welfare issues, please present it.  The burden of proof lies with the accuser.  If not, they are spreading malicious information about how the Mayo ladies board and management are treating their players... which most certainly could be defined as bringing the games into disrepute.

How they can then sanction a club for this is another story altogether.  Unless the club issued the statement regarding these welfare issues.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 23, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
Yes, this is not a case of players not wanting to play. This was a case of players not playing over an issue.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: thebackbar1 on August 23, 2018, 06:07:31 PM
absolutely sickening whats happening here, again ill point out that a good number of the players are under 18 ! between mayo and carnacon.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 23, 2018, 06:58:28 PM
absolutely sickening whats happening here, again ill point out that a good number of the players are under 18 ! between mayo and carnacon.

Won’t someone think of the children??
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on August 23, 2018, 07:51:15 PM
Bringing the game into disrepute by saying nothing, nuts !
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on August 23, 2018, 08:48:55 PM
I’m sorry but none of that constitutes bringing the association into disrepute for me.
Players left the panel and had their own reasons for doing so. Their reasons are none of anybody’s business really. The bottom line is that they didn’t want to play for a team anymore. For me, they shouldn’t be obliged to stay.
Association into disrepute is bollix. Catch a grip.

Firstly, I agree with your sentiment.  They can't enforce a rule which obliges anyone to play for any team.  That's a totally untenable position.

But I do think there's merit in this disrepute thing. 

Ref the bit in bold... If they had said that in their statement, I don't think there would, or could be any issue.

But they didn't.  They said that it was due to player welfare issues, then (AFAIK) have not outlined what any of these issues are.  Now, if they've got evidence of these welfare issues, please present it.  The burden of proof lies with the accuser.  If not, they are spreading malicious information about how the Mayo ladies board and management are treating their players... which most certainly could be defined as bringing the games into disrepute.

How they can then sanction a club for this is another story altogether.  Unless the club issued the statement regarding these welfare issues.


Even worse, the exact terms they used were:

Quote
The group who left the panel have cited ‘player welfare issues that are personal and sensitive to the players involved’ in a statement released through the Women’s Gaelic Players Association (WGPA) on Tuesday.

Player welfare, personal & sensitive.

That could be misconstrued into very dodgy territory. It doesn't take much in the way of imagination to think what the worst case scenario of that could be!

The LGFA really, really did need to come down on them like a ton of bricks. You simply cannot go and throw inferences at serious accusations into the air for folks to draw very bad (and incorrect) conclusions from.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 23, 2018, 08:49:59 PM
The one thing I would say is this.
Players are volunteers and they are free to play or not play as they see fit.
To punish them for this is clearly absurd.
At the same time, it is no small thing for a number of players to say they are leaving the panel because of 'player welfare' issues.
Like it or not, that's pointing the finger of blame at management and leaving them open to all sorts of unfair speculation & accusations.
Going by Sarah Rowe's statement, the management team have the full support of the majority of the players.
The punishment is ridiculous but it seems there is a good bit of blame to go around here.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 23, 2018, 09:14:36 PM
A lot of people making judgement here without the full facts, or without any facts. There is a history of trouble with the Mayo ladies team.
In 2010 nobody would manage the senior team for the Championship, nobody! You'd think there would have been one or two souls in the county that'd love to take up the opportunity. But there was no one.

Halfway through the 2010 season, Mayo ladies manager Pat Costello resigned, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to [being] constantly undermined by certain players within the panel.

So Mayo played no games in the Province that year. They were thrown straight into the back door route and Fr Michael Murphy came in as a short term solution. I have a feeling the same personnel who are the mainly involved in this are the same culprits this time. There is a click of players on the Mayo panel who have ruled the roost for a long time. It would take a tough manager to take them on, and maybe this was the tough manager.

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/10342-new-mayo-ladies-football-manager-interviewed (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/10342-new-mayo-ladies-football-manager-interviewed)

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 23, 2018, 09:24:05 PM
A lot of people making judgement here without the full facts, or without any facts. There is a history of trouble with the Mayo ladies team.
In 2010 nobody would manage the senior team for the Championship, nobody! You'd think there would have been one or two souls in the county that'd love to take up the opportunity. But there was no one.

Halfway through the 2010 season, Mayo ladies manager Pat Costello resigned, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to [being] constantly undermined by certain players within the panel.

So Mayo played no games in the Province that year. They were thrown straight into the back door route and Fr Michael Murphy came in as a short term solution. I have a feeling the same personnel who are the mainly involved in this are the same culprits this time. There is a click of players on the Mayo panel who have ruled the roost for a long time. It would take a tough manager to take them on, and maybe this was the tough manager.

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/10342-new-mayo-ladies-football-manager-interviewed (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/10342-new-mayo-ladies-football-manager-interviewed)

I think Cora is an incredible player and athlete but I don’t think she appreciates how poorly this debacle reflects on her and her legacy.

If she just said “you know what, fine, I’ll be an impact sub for the rest of the year if needs be and I’ll retire at the end of the year” she’d get praised for her commitment to the team and be able to bask in the glow of deserved eulogies from the media and supporters alike. Instead it very much looks like she instigated a heave and took her mates with her because she was going to be dropped from the starting team, unless something very different leaks out in the meantime.

That’s a sad end to best ladies footballer of all time.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: tippabu on August 23, 2018, 09:45:14 PM
A lot of people making judgement here without the full facts, or without any facts. There is a history of trouble with the Mayo ladies team.
In 2010 nobody would manage the senior team for the Championship, nobody! You'd think there would have been one or two souls in the county that'd love to take up the opportunity. But there was no one.

Halfway through the 2010 season, Mayo ladies manager Pat Costello resigned, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to [being] constantly undermined by certain players within the panel.

So Mayo played no games in the Province that year. They were thrown straight into the back door route and Fr Michael Murphy came in as a short term solution. I have a feeling the same personnel who are the mainly involved in this are the same culprits this time. There is a click of players on the Mayo panel who have ruled the roost for a long time. It would take a tough manager to take them on, and maybe this was the tough manager.

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/10342-new-mayo-ladies-football-manager-interviewed (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/10342-new-mayo-ladies-football-manager-interviewed)

I think Cora is an incredible player and athlete but I don’t think she appreciates how poorly this debacle reflects on her and her legacy.

If she just said “you know what, fine, I’ll be an impact sub for the rest of the year if needs be and I’ll retire at the end of the year” she’d get praised for her commitment to the team and be able to bask in the glow of deserved eulogies from the media and supporters alike. Instead it very much looks like she instigated a heave and took her mates with her because she was going to be dropped from the starting team, unless something very different leaks out in the meantime.

That’s a sad end to best ladies footballer of all time.

Surely theres more to it than just cora not being selected / phased out however you want to say it, why would there be a big non confidential agreement over something as small as that. Id certainly feel alot different about the situation if it is the case as you say the players pulling out over this, it would reflect terribly on them in my opinion
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: nrico2006 on August 23, 2018, 10:38:17 PM
How many non Carnacon players left?
Why are these clubs getting off?
Who issued the statement?
Have they any evidence that Carnacon influenced their players? The girls could simply have made the decision together without any club involvement.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 23, 2018, 11:09:11 PM
How many non Carnacon players left?
Why are these clubs getting off?
Who issued the statement?
Have they any evidence that Carnacon influenced their players? The girls could simply have made the decision together without any club involvement.

8 of the 12 were from Carnacon.

From the Mayo News

''When asked why the sanction was unique to Carnacon and their players, and not to other players from other clubs who left, Mr McDonnell said their withdrawal was somewhat different.
“Other players left of an individual nature for personal reasons. Carnacon withdrew their players – they contacted the county manager and withdrew their services. That is what it was seen by the meeting as having brought the game into disrepute. It was the action of the club rather than its players,” he said.
While there is a rule in the Ladies Gaelic Official Guide that allows county boards to impose a six month ban for any player who refuses to play for their county team, Mr McDonnell said this did not apply as ‘personal reasons’ were cited by the non-Carnacon players.''


http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/32536-carnacon-to-appeal-being-thrown-out-of-mayo-championship (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/32536-carnacon-to-appeal-being-thrown-out-of-mayo-championship)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 23, 2018, 11:26:55 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 11:30:19 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 23, 2018, 11:34:52 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

I love that you’re telling the lad from Mayo what’s going on in Mayo. At least Ballagh is near the border..
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 11:37:26 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

I love that you’re telling the lad from Mayo what’s going on in Mayo. At least Ballagh is near the border..
He’s part of the problem. He clearly hates them too ffs.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 23, 2018, 11:40:52 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

I love that you’re telling the lad from Mayo what’s going on in Mayo. At least Ballagh is near the border..
He’s part of the problem. He clearly hates them too ffs.

#Justice4Carnacon
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 23, 2018, 11:44:13 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

Yes, Carnacon bit off more than they could chew this time!  They as a club tried to cause mayhem mid Championship season and thought they would get their way because of who they are (like they did in the past). What would you do? Fine them? You have to have a standard. Why was it Just Carnacon who protested? As the other 4 girls who just left without protest they seem to be a Red Herring in all this.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 11:46:49 PM
To be honest, I care very little. Some team will win the 2018 Mayo championship before the 400 year “procession” begins again.
Carnacon never send another player near the county and continue to spank everyone. Progressive.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: DuffleKing on August 23, 2018, 11:49:44 PM
And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

Agreed. Absurd attempt at getting back at the club that should be overturned with any kind of appeal. Then there's the disciplinary practices of the LGFA to consider...
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 23, 2018, 11:54:08 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

Yes, Carnacon bit off more than they could chew this time!  They as a club tried to cause mayhem mid Championship season and thought they would get their way because of who they are (like they did in the past). What would you do? Fine them? You have to have a standard. Why was it Just Carnacon who protested? As the other 4 girls who just left without protest they seem to be a Red Herring in all this.
No. It’s pretty simple. If the club are at fault in instances like this, the chairman & secretary take the fall usually. I think that’s why the rule refers to “members” in particular and not “club”.
Grace O’Malley, the nippy corner forward should not be punished.

But we both know what is at play here.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on August 23, 2018, 11:54:13 PM
I don't know much about the politics of this but from anyone I've talked to in mayo, there wouldn't be huge sympathy for carnacon (not out of a dislike for carnacon, more of a feel for what's happened). There does seem to be a sense that the cb have overstepped their remit by expelling the club though

Regardless of how this pans out, there are no winners from this
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 23, 2018, 11:56:23 PM
And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

Agreed. Absurd attempt at getting back at the club that should be overturned with any kind of appeal. Then there's the disciplinary practices of the LGFA to consider...

I really am digging these instant experts on the vagaries of the Mayo Ladies County Board's rules. They're the ones that wrote the damn book, no one knows what they can and can't do better than they do. You may think the rules are draconian but saying it will definitely be overturned is an incredible leap to make.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 23, 2018, 11:58:33 PM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

Yes, Carnacon bit off more than they could chew this time!  They as a club tried to cause mayhem mid Championship season and thought they would get their way because of who they are (like they did in the past). What would you do? Fine them? You have to have a standard. Why was it Just Carnacon who protested? As the other 4 girls who just left without protest they seem to be a Red Herring in all this.
No. It’s pretty simple. If the club are at fault in instances like this, the chairman & secretary take the fall usually. I think that’s why the rule refers to “members” in particular and not “club”.
Grace O’Malley, the nippy corner forward should not be punished.

But we both know what is at play here.

I'm afraid she's a wee bit overage to be playing for the Mayo ladies team..

And if you mean Grace Kelly, well she's a Moy Davitts player who never left the panel so I don't know what you're getting at.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 24, 2018, 12:00:38 AM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

Yes, Carnacon bit off more than they could chew this time!  They as a club tried to cause mayhem mid Championship season and thought they would get their way because of who they are (like they did in the past). What would you do? Fine them? You have to have a standard. Why was it Just Carnacon who protested? As the other 4 girls who just left without protest they seem to be a Red Herring in all this.
No. It’s pretty simple. If the club are at fault in instances like this, the chairman & secretary take the fall usually. I think that’s why the rule refers to “members” in particular and not “club”.
Grace O’Malley, the nippy corner forward should not be punished.

But we both know what is at play here.

I'm afraid she's a wee bit overage to be playing for the Mayo ladies team..
They’ve an age limit now too? Rule book is a joke.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: DuffleKing on August 24, 2018, 12:07:13 AM
And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

Agreed. Absurd attempt at getting back at the club that should be overturned with any kind of appeal. Then there's the disciplinary practices of the LGFA to consider...

I really am digging these instant experts on the vagaries of the Mayo Ladies County Board's rules. They're the ones that wrote the damn book, no one knows what they can and can't do better than they do. You may think the rules are draconian but saying it will definitely be overturned is an incredible leap to make.

I think you'll find Mayo LGFA won't be the ultimate decision maker on this Brains
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 24, 2018, 12:10:33 AM
And Carnacon wouldn’t be very well liked, you say?

They’re at it....

Did you read the piece?
Yes.

And club delegates overwhelmingly voted to turf them out, yes?
Club delegates overwhelmingly dislike them, yes?
This is completely manufactured.

Yes, Carnacon bit off more than they could chew this time!  They as a club tried to cause mayhem mid Championship season and thought they would get their way because of who they are (like they did in the past). What would you do? Fine them? You have to have a standard. Why was it Just Carnacon who protested? As the other 4 girls who just left without protest they seem to be a Red Herring in all this.
No. It’s pretty simple. If the club are at fault in instances like this, the chairman & secretary take the fall usually. I think that’s why the rule refers to “members” in particular and not “club”.
Grace O’Malley, the nippy corner forward should not be punished.

But we both know what is at play here.

I'm afraid she's a wee bit overage to be playing for the Mayo ladies team..
They’ve an age limit now too? Rule book is a joke.

Who is Grace O'Malley?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 24, 2018, 12:15:01 AM
I made her up as some girl from Carnacon who has no connection with any of this, apart from finding herself banned from the Mayo championship of course.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 24, 2018, 12:21:24 AM
I made her up as some girl from Carnacon who has no connection with any of this, apart from finding herself banned from the Mayo championship of course.

Tough shît when your club brings the sport into disrepute. They opened themselves up to the charge by the sheer arrogance of the manner by which the players made their exit from the panel. They seem to have thought they would be the ones who had leverage but they were clearly mistaken. There’s not many outside of yourself and Carnacon members too cut up about this.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 24, 2018, 12:25:47 AM


But we both know what is at play here.

I'd guess that there is a tightening up on the power that Carnacon has had on the Mayo Senior Ladies team for a long time now. There has been a long list of Managers who have struggled under this and this is the time to say STOP!

Sometimes you have to Bully the Bully.

I do believe that Carnacon will be reinstated, but their hold on the reigns of the Mayo Senior Ladies team will be lessened. And they will think twice about a stunt like this again. That all the other Key players stayed with the Management shows that what ever the Carnacon Players were upset with was not a important issue among a majority of the squad.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 24, 2018, 09:28:52 AM
#Justice4Grace
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 24, 2018, 09:32:04 AM
#DisGrace
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: AQMP on August 24, 2018, 11:49:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6UdO7eHEpQ
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: johnnycool on August 24, 2018, 12:36:24 PM
OTB played an audio of the Mayo manager saying how the exodus happened with the Carnacon secretary ringing him to tell him that all their 8 players were withdrawing for player welfare issues. No information on those issues were given.

Subsequently another three players gave separate personal reasons and another one didn't respond. Thet're from different clubs it seems.

I presume Mayo Ladies CB are using the "bringing the game into disrepute" on the basis that Carnacon made allegations wrt player welfare but haven't backed those up.


Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: thebackbar1 on August 24, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
When is Coras book being released again ? October is it ! this will help sell a few books what ever happens !
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: befair on August 24, 2018, 03:45:42 PM
Players may be volunteers, but so are the county board officials. LGFA is run on a shoe-string compared to the GAA, and the board members have an onerous and completely thankless job.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 24, 2018, 04:21:52 PM
To be fair, if the club told the players to leave the squad, it is the club that should be sanctioned.
That's the issue here.
Unless I'm mistaken, the non-Carnacon players (who perhaps left the squad in solidarity) have not been sanctioned, nor have their clubs.
If that is the case, this would challenge the suggestion that the players themselves are being punished for not making themselves available for the county squad.
Is there a paper trail that shows the order came directly from Carnacon?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on August 24, 2018, 04:26:22 PM
This is far more interesting than the AI final build up and the shďte talking about RTÉ and people pretending Tyrone have a chance. Even when they’re out Mayo manage to take the headlines..
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 24, 2018, 04:57:43 PM
To be fair, if the club told the players to leave the squad, it is the club that should be sanctioned.
That's the issue here.
Unless I'm mistaken, the non-Carnacon players (who perhaps left the squad in solidarity) have not been sanctioned, nor have their clubs.
If that is the case, this would challenge the suggestion that the players themselves are being punished for not making themselves available for the county squad.
Is there a paper trail that shows the order came directly from Carnacon?

From the Mayo News

''When asked why the sanction was unique to Carnacon and their players, and not to other players from other clubs who left, Mr McDonnell said their withdrawal was somewhat different.
“Other players left of an individual nature for personal reasons. Carnacon withdrew their players – they contacted the county manager and withdrew their services. That is what it was seen by the meeting as having brought the game into disrepute. It was the action of the club rather than its players,” he said.
While there is a rule in the Ladies Gaelic Official Guide that allows county boards to impose a six month ban for any player who refuses to play for their county team, Mr McDonnell said this did not apply as ‘personal reasons’ were cited by the non-Carnacon players.''


http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/32536-carnacon-to-appeal-being-thrown-out-of-mayo-championship (http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/32536-carnacon-to-appeal-being-thrown-out-of-mayo-championship)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Blowitupref on August 31, 2018, 02:54:44 AM
The latest
http://www.the42.ie/carnacon-appeal-successful-4211287-Aug2018/
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on August 31, 2018, 07:37:51 AM
The latest
http://www.the42.ie/carnacon-appeal-successful-4211287-Aug2018/

I'd imagine that Carnacon might have a little extra motivation I the Mayo championship this year !
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Farrandeelin on August 31, 2018, 07:52:54 AM
The latest
http://www.the42.ie/carnacon-appeal-successful-4211287-Aug2018/

I'd imagine that Carnacon might have a little extra motivation I the Mayo championship this year !

It's not as if they had much trouble dismantling everyone else to get motivation.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on August 31, 2018, 08:37:47 AM
The latest
http://www.the42.ie/carnacon-appeal-successful-4211287-Aug2018/

I'd imagine that Carnacon might have a little extra motivation I the Mayo championship this year !

It's not as if they had much trouble dismantling everyone else to get motivation.

I know, but I feel that they might be in the mood to batter someone now .
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on August 31, 2018, 09:14:22 AM
The latest
http://www.the42.ie/carnacon-appeal-successful-4211287-Aug2018/
"We’re a small rural club"  ;D
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 31, 2018, 09:33:03 AM
All the other clubs should withdraw in protest.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Brick Tamlin on August 31, 2018, 09:50:00 AM
For the ignorant of us here can someone actually spell out in plain laguage what the hell the actual issue is?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on August 31, 2018, 09:51:31 AM
Cora for president
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on August 31, 2018, 09:56:41 AM
For the ignorant of us here can someone actually spell out in plain laguage what the hell the actual issue is?

Mayo people.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Wildweasel74 on August 31, 2018, 09:23:29 PM
Someone thinking they are too good to be a sub!!!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on August 31, 2018, 09:56:00 PM
Successful club being unfairly nailed to the wall by other jealous clubs.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on August 31, 2018, 10:47:54 PM
For the ignorant of us here can someone actually spell out in plain laguage what the hell the actual issue is?

It's a personal issue that is being held secret by a confidentially clause.

Anyway loved the ''We are a small rural club'' line from the Cora one.

Yes they are a small rural club that wear the Mayo Colours, have the Mayo Crest as their Crest, That Poach good players.

This should mark the end of Carnacons hold on the Mayo Senior Football team. The elder influential players will either not come back or not be asked back.

All in all, a successful exercise.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 04, 2018, 09:49:23 PM
No player welfare issues exist': Mayo Ladies squad issue statement following controversial player departures

The Mayo Ladies senior football squad have fully backed manager Peter Leahy.

THE MAYO LADIES football squad have broken their silence for the first time following the high-profile departures which rocked the panel this summer.



In a statement issued to The42, the players said “no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management” led by Peter Leahy, and they “categorically disagree” with that claim which was made when 12 players left the squad.

“We were surprised and disappointed to hear of these issues and if we had witnessed any welfare issues, we would not have hesitated to highlight them to the management,” the players said.

It also claims that the departure of four of the players, along with two of Leahy’s backroom staff, followed “a failed coup” at a players’ meeting in the days following the initial withdrawal of eight Carnacon players in July.

The statement was issued on behalf of the current squad through a player representative on Tuesday.

Eight Carnacon players, including all-time leading scorer Cora Staunton and vice-captain Fiona McHale, left the squad 10 days before they played Cavan in the first round of the All-Ireland qualifier group stage.

Captain Sarah Tierney and three players from other clubs later left the panel for personal reasons. Two members of the backroom team also departed.

The players who left the panel released a statement through the Women’s Gaelic Players Association (WGPA) on 10 July, citing “player welfare issues that are personal and sensitive to the players involved”.



Two days later, the Mayo Ladies county board publicly backed Leahy and the players who remained part of his panel.

“The board feels it important to state that the senior management team has adhered to all protocols and guidelines set out at the beginning of their tenure,” the county board said.

“The board has made players and management aware that they have our full support going forward.”

A much-changed Mayo side went on to enjoy a 3-23 to 4-13 win over Cavan in Clones to put a week of upheaval behind them.

Mediation talks took place on 18 July in Castlebar involving representatives of all parties, but they proved inconclusive. A confidentiality agreement was signed afterwards by those involved in a bid to keep a lid on the discussions.

Mayo went on to reach the All-Ireland quarter-finals, where they lost out to Galway by 5-11 to 0-12.

At a Mayo county board meeting on 21 August, club delegates voted in favour of removing Carnacon from this year’s Mayo league and championship.

The delegates agreed the reigning Mayo, Connacht and All-Ireland champions had brought the Association “into disrepute” for withdrawing their players from the Mayo squad in the summer.

Carnacon confirmed they would appeal the ban to the Appeals Committee of the Connacht LGFA.



Speaking at an Off The Ball event in Croke Park last Thursday, Staunton said: “The right story will eventually come out. You know, I think we’ve been very dignified over the last number of months.”

Carnacon’s appeal was successful and they were reinstated to all competitions. The Mayo county board are set to meet tonight to discuss whether they will appeal that decision to the Connacht LGFA.

Now, the Mayo players have decided to speak out for the first time.

The Mayo Senior Ladies Team Players Statement

“We, the Mayo senior ladies panel, believe the time is now right to make a statement regarding events in June and July 2018. On 6 July, eight players were withdrawn by their club without consultation or discussion with their Mayo team colleagues.

“Understandably, we as players were left shocked and saddened by this decision which was taken 10 days before our championship match with Cavan. Another four players, one selector and one backroom staff left following a failed coup which took place at a players meeting two days later.

“To date, we have not been given any reasoning or clarity as to why this course of action was taken. We feel deeply let down and hurt by the actions of those who left our panel.
“We believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised.

“We were surprised and disappointed to hear of these issues and if we had witnessed any welfare issues, we would not have hesitated to highlight them to the management.

“It is fair to say that there was considerable upheaval in advance of the Cavan game. This was the biggest game of the year for us and our preparation was distracted.

“We take offence to some of the comments that have been made by certain players over the last few weeks in the media.
“We fully support our management team and as a team believe that all of their decisions and selections were made fairly after careful consideration. We had a fantastic league campaign culminating in a league final appearance in Parnell Park and while the last few months were difficult and disappointing; many new players were given an opportunity to perform at county level.

“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.

“All players are treated with honesty and respect in an environment where generosity and passion for the county are to the fore.
“Ultimately, we want to play football and honour our county jersey and we trust and support our manager, Peter Leahy, and his management team to take the county forward. We always have and always will welcome any player to the panel to help us achieve our goals.

“Mayo Ladies senior football panel would like to thank our management, county board, families, friends, supporters, general public and ultimately our clubs for supporting and trusting us during this difficult time as we strive to bring honour to our county.

“Go raibh míle maith agaibh.”

http://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/?utm_source=facebook_short (http://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/?utm_source=facebook_short)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 04, 2018, 10:04:58 PM
The fact that WGPA are releasing the statement on behalf of the remaining players suggests that these personal/ sensitive issues are horsehite.
If it was a thing of a legend not starting then it is a v v poor reflection on her. I was reading how this story hasn't been given enough coverage but when they won't just come out and call it as it is WTF can you do!


Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 04, 2018, 10:08:12 PM
Cora really put a pin in her own reputation with this.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 04, 2018, 10:10:36 PM

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 04, 2018, 10:39:42 PM
The fact that WGPA are releasing the statement on behalf of the remaining players suggests that these personal/ sensitive issues are horsehite.
If it was a thing of a legend not starting then it is a v v poor reflection on her. I was reading how this story hasn't been given enough coverage but when they won't just come out and call it as it is WTF can you do!
Well that is a fine example of burning the boats! Hard to see how harmony can be restored after that. Also I might be wrong but hasn't McHale some major role with the WGPA which would make it rather ironic.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 05, 2018, 08:38:16 AM
Cora is on offtheball am stating she doesn't want this to be dragged through the media; The irony is clearly lost on her, unfortunately Cora is the big name her so many people will take her side without having a clue whats going on.



Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 05, 2018, 09:26:39 AM
The fact that WGPA are releasing the statement on behalf of the remaining players suggests that these personal/ sensitive issues are horsehite.
If it was a thing of a legend not starting then it is a v v poor reflection on her. I was reading how this story hasn't been given enough coverage but when they won't just come out and call it as it is WTF can you do!
Well that is a fine example of burning the boats! Hard to see how harmony can be restored after that. Also I might be wrong but hasn't McHale some major role with the WGPA which would make it rather ironic.

I told you all ages ago, Cora wasnt starting and threw a hissy fit. The rest was all bullshit.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 05, 2018, 11:55:24 AM
Cora is on offtheball am stating she doesn't want this to be dragged through the media; The irony is clearly lost on her, unfortunately Cora is the big name her so many people will take her side without having a clue whats going on.

How many have actually taken her side?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 05, 2018, 12:05:52 PM
Cora is on offtheball am stating she doesn't want this to be dragged through the media; The irony is clearly lost on her, unfortunately Cora is the big name her so many people will take her side without having a clue whats going on.

How many have actually taken her side?

Well, there is

1. Hardstation
2. ... erm.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 05, 2018, 01:22:48 PM
Cora is on offtheball am stating she doesn't want this to be dragged through the media; The irony is clearly lost on her, unfortunately Cora is the big name her so many people will take her side without having a clue whats going on.

How many have actually taken her side?

There are two separate issues here.
1. The Carnacon players leaving the panel and the 'welfare' accusation
2. The response to this by the county board, i.e. kicking Carnacon out of all competitions
The media narrative was overwhelmingly negative on issue 2, but they were a bit more circumspect about issue 1.
I would hope now that somebody will get their teeth into this, because if there was no player welfare issue to begin with, then the team management have been treated incredibly unfairly by the Carnacon bunch.
I have no time for Cora Staunton being coy about this.
Put up or shut up.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: magpie seanie on September 05, 2018, 06:03:16 PM
The fact that WGPA are releasing the statement on behalf of the remaining players suggests that these personal/ sensitive issues are horsehite.
If it was a thing of a legend not starting then it is a v v poor reflection on her. I was reading how this story hasn't been given enough coverage but when they won't just come out and call it as it is WTF can you do!
Well that is a fine example of burning the boats! Hard to see how harmony can be restored after that. Also I might be wrong but hasn't McHale some major role with the WGPA which would make it rather ironic.


Think Capt Scarlet got it wrong - players that left issued statement through the WGPA, not the remaining panel.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 05, 2018, 10:01:37 PM
The fact that WGPA are releasing the statement on behalf of the remaining players suggests that these personal/ sensitive issues are horsehite.
If it was a thing of a legend not starting then it is a v v poor reflection on her. I was reading how this story hasn't been given enough coverage but when they won't just come out and call it as it is WTF can you do!
Well that is a fine example of burning the boats! Hard to see how harmony can be restored after that. Also I might be wrong but hasn't McHale some major role with the WGPA which would make it rather ironic.

Burning boats is the only way to move forward. This is a rebellion (by Mayo county board) against a dictatorship (Carnacon). Mayo ladies football will be all the better from it. The time had come to say 'No More'.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: screenexile on September 06, 2018, 12:49:45 AM
Cora Staunton said that the environment was “not safe” on OTB . . . That’s big talk when you aren’t going I back it up.

Who the f**k signed these NDA’s??
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Mourne Red on September 06, 2018, 10:10:32 AM
Hardstation has gone awfully quiet since that statement was released - Players brought the game into disrepute citing claims of player welfare issues when there weren't any.. Cora worried she was going to be cold on the bench only issue there was
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: thebackbar1 on September 06, 2018, 01:27:15 PM
Cora Staunton said that the environment was “not safe” on OTB . . . That’s big talk when you aren’t going I back it up.

Who the f**k signed these NDA’s??

i thought that was a huge statement to make alright, if someone said that about the environment i had a round my team i would be ringing my solicitor.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 06, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Thats f'ing outrageous if she said that. On the national airwaves? Definitely need to go to the law over that
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 06, 2018, 04:50:40 PM
Cora Staunton said that the environment was “not safe” on OTB . . . That’s big talk when you aren’t going I back it up.


Its true.

Could have got a huge splinter in her arse sitting on the bench...


#CushionedSeatsForTheBench
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 06, 2018, 06:15:57 PM
Why are the media so happy just to take her word for it all.

As Wooly was just saying on GAA Hour some of the language used implies something v dodgy and if not true is borderline defamation.
This craic of not saying wtf is going on and claiming that they don't want it in the media when Cora is on OTB, Sinead Kissane wrote a big thing about plkayer welfare issue being lost in all of this - without the fuckin issue being explained.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Beffs on September 06, 2018, 06:25:03 PM
Why are the media so happy just to take her word for it all.

As Wooly was just saying on GAA Hour some of the language used implies something v dodgy and if not true is borderline defamation.
This craic of not saying wtf is going on and claiming that they don't want it in the media when Cora is on OTB, Sinead Kissane wrote a big thing about plkayer welfare issue being lost in all of this - without the fuckin issue being explained.

The media are always going to side with players in cases like this. They are the life blood of podcasts like Woolys, Off The Ball etc etc. They are who the media turn to to fill all the dead air on their programs, not the faceless county board officials.

The meeja will always give the players an easy ride. If Wooly - or anyone else - asks hard hitting questions such as "So Cora, is the welfare of your own ego the only thing under threat here?" they'll soon find fewer & fewer players wanting to give them the time of day.

Expecting the journos to ask Cora the questions that everyone listening at home wants him to ask, is like expecting turkeys to vote for Christmas. It just ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 06, 2018, 06:26:40 PM
Why are the media so happy just to take her word for it all.

As Wooly was just saying on GAA Hour some of the language used implies something v dodgy and if not true is borderline defamation.
This craic of not saying wtf is going on and claiming that they don't want it in the media when Cora is on OTB, Sinead Kissane wrote a big thing about plkayer welfare issue being lost in all of this - without the fuckin issue being explained.

The media are always going to side with players in cases like this. They are the life blood of podcasts like Woolys, Off The Ball etc etc. They are who the media turn to to fill all the dead air on their programs, not the faceless county board officials.

The meeja will always give the players an easy ride. If Wooly - or anyone else - asks hard hitting questions such as "So Cora, is the welfare of your own ego the only thing under threat here?" they'll soon find fewer & fewer players wanting to give them the time of day.

Expecting the journos to ask Cora the questions that everyone listening at home wants him to ask, is like expecting turkeys to vote for Christmas. It just ain't gonna happen.

This is a crazy way to look at things.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Beffs on September 06, 2018, 06:42:34 PM
Not if you're a journalist, it isn't. Especially one who does radio shows and podcasts. Who are you going to interview if players are giving you a wide berth?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: befair on September 06, 2018, 07:43:58 PM
There was a sinister implication behind the 'health and safety' issues
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: befair on September 06, 2018, 07:46:04 PM
Should rephrase that; there can be a sinister implication behind 'health and safety' issues
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 06, 2018, 08:02:36 PM
We're talking about young women here.
If you say that they did not feel 'safe' in the team environment, but refuse to elaborate, you do so in the knowledge that imaginations will inevitably run wild and all sorts of nasty rumours could follow.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 06, 2018, 08:23:54 PM
Listened to Cora's Podcast on OTB. To say say she got an easy ride from the interviews is an understatement.

Anyway, the ''Poor us'' for the 20 minutes was hard to listen to as well as ''the 12 and 13 year olds on the panel don't know what is going on''.

I find it hard to believe that the County Board took (and are taking these) serious measures, without good reason. The County Board know the story. If there was a danger to players, surely they would not betray the trust put in them and leave themselves very open to criticism in the future.

For the moment both sides can hide behind confidentially agreements.

With nothing put out in the public domain, the county is rife with rumours.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 06, 2018, 09:05:50 PM
Hardstation has gone awfully quiet since that statement was released - Players brought the game into disrepute citing claims of player welfare issues when there weren't any.. Cora worried she was going to be cold on the bench only issue there was
I stopped reading this ages ago tbh.
Some statement from Cora alright and generally not said on a whim. There must be some grievance. I’d say it will come out yet.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 06, 2018, 09:26:51 PM
Hardstation has gone awfully quiet since that statement was released - Players brought the game into disrepute citing claims of player welfare issues when there weren't any.. Cora worried she was going to be cold on the bench only issue there was
I stopped reading this ages ago tbh.
Some statement from Cora alright and generally not said on a whim. There must be some grievance. I’d say it will come out yet.

Cora wasn't being picked, threw a strop and tried to get manager removed with help of her club. It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 06, 2018, 09:47:49 PM
Perhaps. However, leaving the panel for “player welfare” reasons is one thing. To then, a brave while later, after (or in the midst of) a media ‘storm’ state that it was an unsafe environment suggests there is something we are not hearing. I honestly don’t think she is stupid enough to say that in the media without there being substance. I would guess there is an investigation or discussions happening in the background and Cora is saying as much as she can say without saying what she can’t say.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: screenexile on September 06, 2018, 10:34:19 PM
I’m still surprised the amount of Mayo posters on the board that the real story hasn’t come out yet!!

Impressive in this day and age!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 06, 2018, 10:41:21 PM
Perhaps. However, leaving the panel for “player welfare” reasons is one thing. To then, a brave while later, after (or in the midst of) a media ‘storm’ state that it was an unsafe environment suggests there is something we are not hearing. I honestly don’t think she is stupid enough to say that in the media without there being substance. I would guess there is an investigation or discussions happening in the background and Cora is saying as much as she can say without saying what she can’t say.

This is painful to read. If there was an investigation ongoing why would the Mayo board kick Carnacon out of the championship? They know what’s what. Cora got caught with her hand in the cookie jar. It’s that simple and you’d be better to accept it at this stage.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 06, 2018, 10:48:12 PM
A woman raises concern on two different occasions and you don’t give any thought to a possible problem.
Quite a contrast to some of your other opinions.

Also, last I heard, they were reinstated after an appeal. I imagine there is some sort of discussion taking place.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 06, 2018, 10:58:53 PM
A woman raises concern on two different occasions and you don’t give any thought to a possible problem.
Quite a contrast to some of your other opinions.

Also, last I heard, they were reinstated after an appeal. I imagine there is some sort of discussion taking place.

Cora Staunton is a little less believable than a rape victim who went straight to police. It’s kind of amazing that needs saying.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 06, 2018, 11:02:30 PM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 06, 2018, 11:08:41 PM
A woman raises concern on two different occasions and you don’t give any thought to a possible problem.
Quite a contrast to some of your other opinions.

Also, last I heard, they were reinstated after an appeal. I imagine there is some sort of discussion taking place.

Get with the story, Mayo Ladies County Board meeting last night (Tuesday) decided by 30 votes to 3 to appeal the decision by the Connacht Ladies Appeal Committee to the full Ladies Connacht Council Board.

There are no ongoing discussions. Mayo Ladies County Board want Carnacon punished for abandoning the Mayo Senior Ladies team mid Championship.

The fact that up to 20 players on the squad have gone about their business after all this happened seems weird if there was a serious issue. You'd think they'd back anyone who was wrong done by. But the week this happened, they just regrouped and played against Cavan on that weekend. The only comments afterwards were all about focusing on the next game.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 06, 2018, 11:18:45 PM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

Mayo Ladies County Board may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: thebackbar1 on September 06, 2018, 11:25:45 PM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: screenexile on September 07, 2018, 08:31:21 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.

She signed an NDA!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 07, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

Trust me, she doesn't have a legitimate grievance. She does have a grievance alright that someone dared to suggest she would be a better impact sub than starter. If you think there is something sinister at play why did the remaining panel members come out so strongly and say there wasn't and site a fail coup. Cora is trying to change the narrative to explain her outrageous actions which sabotaged the teams chances this year by pretending there was some almighty cause she was defending. What is most annoying is that no media outlet will even ask her a hard question on it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 07, 2018, 09:10:08 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

Trust me, she doesn't have a legitimate grievance. She does have a grievance alright that someone dared to suggest she would be a better impact sub than starter. If you think there is something sinister at play why did the remaining panel members come out so strongly and say there wasn't and site a fail coup. Cora is trying to change the narrative to explain her outrageous actions which sabotaged the teams chances this year by pretending there was some almighty cause she was defending. What is most annoying is that no media outlet will even ask her a hard question on it.

Yep. And it's not Cora who's behind thr whole thing either. Martha Carter has more explaining to do if my source (who is on thr panel) told me yesterday.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 07, 2018, 09:22:35 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.

She signed an NDA!

Then she shouldn't be going next nor near the media, to be fair.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 07, 2018, 09:44:32 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.

She signed an NDA!

Then she shouldn't be going next nor near the media, to be fair.
Well there is a book to be selling in the near future.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: nrico2006 on September 07, 2018, 10:04:38 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

Trust me, she doesn't have a legitimate grievance. She does have a grievance alright that someone dared to suggest she would be a better impact sub than starter. If you think there is something sinister at play why did the remaining panel members come out so strongly and say there wasn't and site a fail coup. Cora is trying to change the narrative to explain her outrageous actions which sabotaged the teams chances this year by pretending there was some almighty cause she was defending. What is most annoying is that no media outlet will even ask her a hard question on it.

I can see it from her perspective though.  She is their best player so why shouldn't she deserve to start?  Hardly being treated fairly.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 10:10:00 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

Trust me, she doesn't have a legitimate grievance. She does have a grievance alright that someone dared to suggest she would be a better impact sub than starter. If you think there is something sinister at play why did the remaining panel members come out so strongly and say there wasn't and site a fail coup. Cora is trying to change the narrative to explain her outrageous actions which sabotaged the teams chances this year by pretending there was some almighty cause she was defending. What is most annoying is that no media outlet will even ask her a hard question on it.

I can see it from her perspective though.  She is their best player so why shouldn't she deserve to start?  Hardly being treated fairly.

You haven’t watched much of Mayo if you think she’s still their best player.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 07, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.

She signed an NDA!

Then she shouldn't be going next nor near the media, to be fair.
Well there is a book to be selling in the near future.
Documentary about her year in AFL on TG4 coming up too....hmm
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 07, 2018, 10:22:44 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.

She signed an NDA!

Then she shouldn't be going next nor near the media, to be fair.
Well there is a book to be selling in the near future.
Documentary about her year in AFL on TG4 coming up too....hmm

Year? The competition was 7 weeks long.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 07, 2018, 11:19:22 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.
but shes not staying quiet on it. She was on the national airways saying that an environment full of young women, some of them under 18, run by a man is "not safe". WTF? How can that go unchallenged. If I was Peter Leahy and his backroom team I'd be in my solicitors office and their'd be writs flying all over the shop. An outrageous statement to just throw out there given the context.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 07, 2018, 11:51:39 AM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

Trust me, she doesn't have a legitimate grievance. She does have a grievance alright that someone dared to suggest she would be a better impact sub than starter. If you think there is something sinister at play why did the remaining panel members come out so strongly and say there wasn't and site a fail coup. Cora is trying to change the narrative to explain her outrageous actions which sabotaged the teams chances this year by pretending there was some almighty cause she was defending. What is most annoying is that no media outlet will even ask her a hard question on it.

I can see it from her perspective though.  She is their best player so why shouldn't she deserve to start?  Hardly being treated fairly.

Managers decide who starts. She was away in Australia and comes back and should start? Plus if you ever watch Mayo she is a poor influence on other players, she doesnt pass and tries to do everything herself. I can easily see why manager would take the view she should start off the bench.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 07, 2018, 12:13:13 PM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.

She signed an NDA!

Then she shouldn't be going next nor near the media, to be fair.
Well there is a book to be selling in the near future.
Documentary about her year in AFL on TG4 coming up too....hmm

Year? The competition was 7 weeks long.
It's only a relatively new competition isn't it? And it's odd that it took place almost before the men's AFL season even begun.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 07, 2018, 12:15:13 PM
Cora Staunton may have a legitimate grievance. I don’t know that. You don’t know that. However, I’m not going to completely discount it.

If she had a legitimate grievance then she should be taking it through the LGFA disciplinary bodies, she's doing no one any favors by staying quiet on the matter like she's doing now, if some thing was wrong with the setup she should expose it.

She signed an NDA!

Then she shouldn't be going next nor near the media, to be fair.
Well there is a book to be selling in the near future.
Documentary about her year in AFL on TG4 coming up too....hmm

Year? The competition was 7 weeks long.
It's only a relatively new competition isn't it? And it's odd that it took place almost before the men's AFL season even begun.

Why is it odd? Going head-to-head with a much more established brand of the same sport doesn’t seem like a smart idea if you want to gain some traction.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 07, 2018, 03:14:31 PM
Feels like something that has grown a life of its own and has got out of hand but the Carnacon crew can't row back on it now without seriously losing face as they have pushed it too far. They can't say they just got the hump with Cora not being selected so instead there is a lot of very vague loose talk about "safety" and "environments" which is just raising more questions which nobody can answer.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 07, 2018, 04:32:22 PM
Don't know if this was posted before?.......anyway

http://www.offtheball.com/OTB-AM/Cora-Staunton-on-Carnacon-situation:-This-is-a-witch-hunt-against-the-club (http://www.offtheball.com/OTB-AM/Cora-Staunton-on-Carnacon-situation:-This-is-a-witch-hunt-against-the-club)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 12, 2018, 05:39:56 PM
So Cora has had her say, now it's another point of view...

https://soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hour/mayo-ladies-manager-pater-leahy-gives-his-side-of-the-story
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 12, 2018, 06:36:23 PM
So Cora has had her say, now it's another point of view...

https://soundcloud.com/sportsjoe-gaa-hour/mayo-ladies-manager-pater-leahy-gives-his-side-of-the-story

Thanks for the link Captain Scarlet!

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 12, 2018, 08:28:17 PM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: befair on September 12, 2018, 08:56:55 PM
The "unhealthy environment" sounds sinister
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 12, 2018, 09:36:35 PM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.

He is, held his station! He knows there are good players with Carnacon that could come back and add to the team and he does not want to burn that bridge.

Looks like Cora has been telling a few fibs. Looks like two players were told their roles in the team had changed and these players were not happy - and decided to take things into their own hands - use their power drag a few players down with them and it backfired.

This is the first time they have encountered a manager strong enough to make big decisions and wade it out.

It looked like this would go away, only for the County Board to also grow a pair and firmly put Carnacon in its place.

Cora ''opened her mouth to wide'' last week and she could live to regret some of the strong accusations she made.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 12, 2018, 10:23:13 PM
I wonder will Cora be as quick to do her tour of the radio stations over the next few days in response to the quite reasonable points made by the manager Peter Leahy. 

It will also be interesting to see does this affect the appeal by Mayo Ladies Board to reinstate Carnacon into the club championship.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 12, 2018, 10:42:03 PM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.

He is, held his station! He knows there are good players with Carnacon that could come back and add to the team and he does not want to burn that bridge.

Looks like Cora has been telling a few fibs. Looks like two players were told their roles in the team had changed and these players were not happy - and decided to take things into their own hands - use their power drag a few players down with them and it backfired.

This is the first time they have encountered a manager strong enough to make big decisions and wade it out.

It looked like this would go away, only for the County Board to also grow a pair and firmly put Carnacon in its place.

Cora ''opened her mouth to wide'' last week and she could live to regret some of the strong accusations she made.

Did Leahy say that?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 12, 2018, 10:55:16 PM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.

He is, held his station! He knows there are good players with Carnacon that could come back and add to the team and he does not want to burn that bridge.

Looks like Cora has been telling a few fibs. Looks like two players were told their roles in the team had changed and these players were not happy - and decided to take things into their own hands - use their power drag a few players down with them and it backfired.

This is the first time they have encountered a manager strong enough to make big decisions and wade it out.

It looked like this would go away, only for the County Board to also grow a pair and firmly put Carnacon in its place.

Cora ''opened her mouth to wide'' last week and she could live to regret some of the strong accusations she made.

Did Leahy say that?

Well he said he had  no intention of doing an interview on it until Cora said the players were not in a safe environment so I think it's reasonable to surmise she opened her moith too wide.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: SCFC on September 13, 2018, 09:25:46 AM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.

He is, held his station! He knows there are good players with Carnacon that could come back and add to the team and he does not want to burn that bridge.

Looks like Cora has been telling a few fibs. Looks like two players were told their roles in the team had changed and these players were not happy - and decided to take things into their own hands - use their power drag a few players down with them and it backfired.

This is the first time they have encountered a manager strong enough to make big decisions and wade it out.

It looked like this would go away, only for the County Board to also grow a pair and firmly put Carnacon in its place.

Cora ''opened her mouth to wide'' last week and she could live to regret some of the strong accusations she made.

Did Leahy say that?
No. That's not a quote from Leahy.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 13, 2018, 09:27:18 AM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.

He is, held his station! He knows there are good players with Carnacon that could come back and add to the team and he does not want to burn that bridge.

Looks like Cora has been telling a few fibs. Looks like two players were told their roles in the team had changed and these players were not happy - and decided to take things into their own hands - use their power drag a few players down with them and it backfired.

This is the first time they have encountered a manager strong enough to make big decisions and wade it out.

It looked like this would go away, only for the County Board to also grow a pair and firmly put Carnacon in its place.

Cora ''opened her mouth to wide'' last week and she could live to regret some of the strong accusations she made.

Did Leahy say that?

Well he said he had  no intention of doing an interview on it until Cora said the players were not in a safe environment so I think it's reasonable to surmise she opened her moith too wide.
No that wasn't a quote from him, He did say what she said on OTB was libelous.
The most disappointing thing for me, in a list of disappointing things coming out of this was the allegation that for up to 2 or 3 days before the Cavan game players were getting texts encouraging them to jump ship and saying "sure they wont be able to field if ye pull out". Disgusting if true.
Based on Peter Leahys side of the story, which appears to be collaborated by the county board actions in sanctioning Carnacon and the players statement this was a pure childish reaction from some quarters to changes in the structure and way things were done that they didn't like and it has just escalated and escalated. unless there is a climb down from one side of embarrassing proportions I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up in court.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 13, 2018, 09:35:31 AM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.

He is, held his station! He knows there are good players with Carnacon that could come back and add to the team and he does not want to burn that bridge.

Looks like Cora has been telling a few fibs. Looks like two players were told their roles in the team had changed and these players were not happy - and decided to take things into their own hands - use their power drag a few players down with them and it backfired.

This is the first time they have encountered a manager strong enough to make big decisions and wade it out.

It looked like this would go away, only for the County Board to also grow a pair and firmly put Carnacon in its place.

Cora ''opened her mouth to wide'' last week and she could live to regret some of the strong accusations she made.

Did Leahy say that?

Well he said he had  no intention of doing an interview on it until Cora said the players were not in a safe environment so I think it's reasonable to surmise she opened her moith too wide.
No that wasn't a quote from him, He did say what she said on OTB was libelous.
The most disappointing thing for me, in a list of disappointing things coming out of this was the allegation that for up to 2 or 3 days before the Cavan game players were getting texts encouraging them to jump ship and saying "sure they wont be able to field if ye pull out". Disgusting if true.
Based on Peter Leahys side of the story, which appears to be collaborated by the county board actions in sanctioning Carnacon and the players statement this was a pure childish reaction from some quarters to changes in the structure and way things were done that they didn't like and it has just escalated and escalated. unless there is a climb down from one side of embarrassing proportions I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up in court.
Listened to this last night, was interesting, seemed to be suggesting that there were two players that were behind it all.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 13, 2018, 09:57:04 AM
Must have been difficult for managers over the last few years trying to work around this sort of stuff, must be like walking on a tightrope.
Theses types of situations do not develop overnight.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 13, 2018, 11:41:10 AM
Look this kinda shite would not be tolerated in Cork who are the yardstick for years.
They were a proper team and this all shows a lack of respect from a couple of players to their team-mates and their county.
As said to think they were agitating for players to drop out before a big game, to give a walkover shows where their loyalties lie.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 13, 2018, 12:04:19 PM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.

He is, held his station! He knows there are good players with Carnacon that could come back and add to the team and he does not want to burn that bridge.

Looks like Cora has been telling a few fibs. Looks like two players were told their roles in the team had changed and these players were not happy - and decided to take things into their own hands - use their power drag a few players down with them and it backfired.

This is the first time they have encountered a manager strong enough to make big decisions and wade it out.

It looked like this would go away, only for the County Board to also grow a pair and firmly put Carnacon in its place.

Cora ''opened her mouth to wide'' last week and she could live to regret some of the strong accusations she made.

Did Leahy say that?

Well he said he had  no intention of doing an interview on it until Cora said the players were not in a safe environment so I think it's reasonable to surmise she opened her moith too wide.
No that wasn't a quote from him, He did say what she said on OTB was libelous.
The most disappointing thing for me, in a list of disappointing things coming out of this was the allegation that for up to 2 or 3 days before the Cavan game players were getting texts encouraging them to jump ship and saying "sure they wont be able to field if ye pull out". Disgusting if true.
Based on Peter Leahys side of the story, which appears to be collaborated by the county board actions in sanctioning Carnacon and the players statement this was a pure childish reaction from some quarters to changes in the structure and way things were done that they didn't like and it has just escalated and escalated. unless there is a climb down from one side of embarrassing proportions I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up in court.
Listened to this last night, was interesting, seemed to be suggesting that there were two players that were behind it all.
Wouldn’t take a whole lot of detective work to reveal the two, had it worked out before I was told for definite. A sorry end to both of their football careers with Mayo if it’s stays the way it is now....
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: rosnarun on September 13, 2018, 12:16:23 PM
He's been very diplomatic. I think you listen to that it's clear what happened.

He is, held his station! He knows there are good players with Carnacon that could come back and add to the team and he does not want to burn that bridge.

Looks like Cora has been telling a few fibs. Looks like two players were told their roles in the team had changed and these players were not happy - and decided to take things into their own hands - use their power drag a few players down with them and it backfired.

This is the first time they have encountered a manager strong enough to make big decisions and wade it out.

It looked like this would go away, only for the County Board to also grow a pair and firmly put Carnacon in its place.

Cora ''opened her mouth to wide'' last week and she could live to regret some of the strong accusations she made.

Did Leahy say that?

Well he said he had  no intention of doing an interview on it until Cora said the players were not in a safe environment so I think it's reasonable to surmise she opened her moith too wide.
No that wasn't a quote from him, He did say what she said on OTB was libelous.
The most disappointing thing for me, in a list of disappointing things coming out of this was the allegation that for up to 2 or 3 days before the Cavan game players were getting texts encouraging them to jump ship and saying "sure they wont be able to field if ye pull out". Disgusting if true.
Based on Peter Leahys side of the story, which appears to be collaborated by the county board actions in sanctioning Carnacon and the players statement this was a pure childish reaction from some quarters to changes in the structure and way things were done that they didn't like and it has just escalated and escalated. unless there is a climb down from one side of embarrassing proportions I wouldn't be surprised if this ended up in court.
Listened to this last night, was interesting, seemed to be suggesting that there were two players that were behind it all.
Wouldn’t take a whole lot of detective work to reveal the two, had it worked out before I was told for definite. A sorry end to both of their football careers with Mayo if it’s stays the way it is now....

I think people are jumping to conclusions about what happened ,
the rumors go.....
It is possible that some players felt it was an unhealthy environment and there personal choices beyond football were being Questioned in an unfair manner and convinced they club mates to support them . I am hearing it is very personal to the players involved and they don't want it to be known publicly and there probably are some mayo team mates not aware of the full story and I doubt if the whole story will ever officially be know .
but if what im hearing is true if they don't want further exposure they should have kept stum after initial statement rather than throwing aspersions accidentally or otherwise . but no illegal activity is being alleged AFAIK
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 13, 2018, 12:46:37 PM
But they are the ones being cagey and using words like 'unhealthy' and 'very personal' implies so much.

If these issues are serious enough to cause a mass walk-out in the first place they should surely let their own team-mates or the liaison officer know??

The timeline that we have seems to be it became unsafe, unhealthy and not nice all of a sudden. Getting on to your own team-mates to drop off and forfeit a game is hardly helping their case, or making for a good 'environment'.

I usually am a 'jury is out' man on these things, but only one side has given a clear side of events and that was Leahy. If something was so serious that it forced half a squad out, they should be fuckin screaming blue murder and Leahy and his team should be ran from the association.
And yet we wait...and still we hear whispers and implications...
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: rosnarun on September 13, 2018, 01:53:25 PM
But they are the ones being cagey and using words like 'unhealthy' and 'very personal' implies so much.

If these issues are serious enough to cause a mass walk-out in the first place they should surely let their own team-mates or the liaison officer know??

The timeline that we have seems to be it became unsafe, unhealthy and not nice all of a sudden. Getting on to your own team-mates to drop off and forfeit a game is hardly helping their case, or making for a good 'environment'.

I usually am a 'jury is out' man on these things, but only one side has given a clear side of events and that was Leahy. If something was so serious that it forced half a squad out, they should be fuckin screaming blue murder and Leahy and his team should be ran from the association.
And yet we wait...and still we hear whispers and implications...
again if rumours are to be believed is because its a very delicate subject which publicizing would  possibly being non football people and non football related matters into full view . which would be unfair but they still want to get the point across that they found the situation unacceptable .
they should have choosen their words better as those work are normally used a code for sex abuse which is not the case I believe
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Mourne Red on September 13, 2018, 02:02:20 PM
But they are the ones being cagey and using words like 'unhealthy' and 'very personal' implies so much.

If these issues are serious enough to cause a mass walk-out in the first place they should surely let their own team-mates or the liaison officer know??

The timeline that we have seems to be it became unsafe, unhealthy and not nice all of a sudden. Getting on to your own team-mates to drop off and forfeit a game is hardly helping their case, or making for a good 'environment'.

I usually am a 'jury is out' man on these things, but only one side has given a clear side of events and that was Leahy. If something was so serious that it forced half a squad out, they should be fuckin screaming blue murder and Leahy and his team should be ran from the association.
And yet we wait...and still we hear whispers and implications...
again if rumours are to be believed is because its a very delicate subject which publicizing would  possibly being non football people and non football related matters into full view . which would be unfair but they still want to get the point across that they found the situation unacceptable .
they should have choosen their words better as those work are normally used a code for sex abuse which is not the case I believe

Enlighten us to these rumours then - You're making very little sense with your replies
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 13, 2018, 02:13:34 PM
But they are the ones being cagey and using words like 'unhealthy' and 'very personal' implies so much.

If these issues are serious enough to cause a mass walk-out in the first place they should surely let their own team-mates or the liaison officer know??

The timeline that we have seems to be it became unsafe, unhealthy and not nice all of a sudden. Getting on to your own team-mates to drop off and forfeit a game is hardly helping their case, or making for a good 'environment'.

I usually am a 'jury is out' man on these things, but only one side has given a clear side of events and that was Leahy. If something was so serious that it forced half a squad out, they should be fuckin screaming blue murder and Leahy and his team should be ran from the association.
And yet we wait...and still we hear whispers and implications...
again if rumours are to be believed is because its a very delicate subject which publicizing would  possibly being non football people and non football related matters into full view . which would be unfair but they still want to get the point across that they found the situation unacceptable .
they should have choosen their words better as those work are normally used a code for sex abuse which is not the case I believe

Enlighten us to these rumours then - You're making very little sense with your replies
Sounds like saying enough to keep casting aspirations on the management team, without giving any actual information.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 13, 2018, 02:19:20 PM
Ye love an oul rumour in Mayo.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Mourne Red on September 13, 2018, 02:23:13 PM
But they are the ones being cagey and using words like 'unhealthy' and 'very personal' implies so much.

If these issues are serious enough to cause a mass walk-out in the first place they should surely let their own team-mates or the liaison officer know??

The timeline that we have seems to be it became unsafe, unhealthy and not nice all of a sudden. Getting on to your own team-mates to drop off and forfeit a game is hardly helping their case, or making for a good 'environment'.

I usually am a 'jury is out' man on these things, but only one side has given a clear side of events and that was Leahy. If something was so serious that it forced half a squad out, they should be fuckin screaming blue murder and Leahy and his team should be ran from the association.
And yet we wait...and still we hear whispers and implications...
again if rumours are to be believed is because its a very delicate subject which publicizing would  possibly being non football people and non football related matters into full view . which would be unfair but they still want to get the point across that they found the situation unacceptable .
they should have choosen their words better as those work are normally used a code for sex abuse which is not the case I believe

Enlighten us to these rumours then - You're making very little sense with your replies
Sounds like saying enough to keep casting aspirations on the management team, without giving any actual information.

A bluffer then
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: heffo on September 13, 2018, 02:29:28 PM
Leahy came across very articulate and genuine
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Shamrock Shore on September 13, 2018, 02:40:52 PM
It's an absolute disgrace that these women have put something out there that has lead to all sorts of nudge-nudge, no-smoke-without-fire etc. type rumours.

I haven't heard any rumours but to refer to "an unsafe environment" does suggest something of a sexual nature.

Time for Cora and Co to be damn specific on what the feck thay are referring to.

If I was Leahy I would contact a solicitor to start the slander process

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 13, 2018, 03:18:23 PM
After seeing how the Serena Williams incident in the US Open was somehow spun into a sexism issue, I can understand why everyone in Mayo is treading very carefully around these allegations.
If you are overly forceful in rubbishing them, then that becomes the story.
Sounds like Leahy struck the right tone in his interview.
Let the media glare focus on the Carnacon players now and the obvious questions should follow.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 13, 2018, 03:25:27 PM
I think Cora and Cornacon were playing that card a bit too, knowing that Leahy and Co would be the baddies...and they f**king were!
Sinead Kissane and others wrote pieces heavily in their favour. Cora was on Off the Ball twice.
Now we see the tide turning and they might not enjoy their use of loaded words like unsafe.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: rosnarun on September 13, 2018, 04:33:15 PM
But they are the ones being cagey and using words like 'unhealthy' and 'very personal' implies so much.

If these issues are serious enough to cause a mass walk-out in the first place they should surely let their own team-mates or the liaison officer know??

The timeline that we have seems to be it became unsafe, unhealthy and not nice all of a sudden. Getting on to your own team-mates to drop off and forfeit a game is hardly helping their case, or making for a good 'environment'.

I usually am a 'jury is out' man on these things, but only one side has given a clear side of events and that was Leahy. If something was so serious that it forced half a squad out, they should be fuckin screaming blue murder and Leahy and his team should be ran from the association.
And yet we wait...and still we hear whispers and implications...
again if rumours are to be believed is because its a very delicate subject which publicizing would  possibly being non football people and non football related matters into full view . which would be unfair but they still want to get the point across that they found the situation unacceptable .
they should have choosen their words better as those work are normally used a code for sex abuse which is not the case I believe

Enlighten us to these rumours then - You're making very little sense with your replies
Sounds like saying enough to keep casting aspirations on the management team, without giving any actual information.

A bluffer then

no a bluffer just passing on the guts of a rumor pointing out that. were are not in a position to jusge and take sides as  its not always a simple thing to tell the whole story when others are involved and do not not want the subject of the story to become known , this is only 50% a football story .
. yes it did all start with Cora being left off the starting 15 but the management reaction to protests from the carnacon were not seen as appropriate and the carnacon contingent believes aspersions were being made regarding some of their players .and the walkout was decided on by players from carnacon other than Cora ,


 
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 13, 2018, 04:42:37 PM
It's an absolute disgrace that these women have put something out there that has lead to all sorts of nudge-nudge, no-smoke-without-fire etc. type rumours.

I haven't heard any rumours but to refer to "an unsafe environment" does suggest something of a sexual nature.

Time for Cora and Co to be damn specific on what the feck thay are referring to.

If I was Leahy I would contact a solicitor to start the slander process

Sums up my thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 14, 2018, 09:10:13 AM
Off the ball were continuing to toe the Cora line on the wireless last night. Nathan Murphy and Maria Thresa whatever her name is either a) didnt listen to the interview with peter leahy despite the fact that they spent 20 minutes commenting o it or b) since they decided to jump on the "back Cora" bandwagon with their softly softly interviews early on in this process couldn't possibly open their mind that their were two sides to the story.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 14, 2018, 09:12:03 AM
Can't listen to that Nathan Murphy lad at all.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 14, 2018, 09:37:32 AM
But they are the ones being cagey and using words like 'unhealthy' and 'very personal' implies so much.

If these issues are serious enough to cause a mass walk-out in the first place they should surely let their own team-mates or the liaison officer know??

The timeline that we have seems to be it became unsafe, unhealthy and not nice all of a sudden. Getting on to your own team-mates to drop off and forfeit a game is hardly helping their case, or making for a good 'environment'.

I usually am a 'jury is out' man on these things, but only one side has given a clear side of events and that was Leahy. If something was so serious that it forced half a squad out, they should be fuckin screaming blue murder and Leahy and his team should be ran from the association.
And yet we wait...and still we hear whispers and implications...
again if rumours are to be believed is because its a very delicate subject which publicizing would  possibly being non football people and non football related matters into full view . which would be unfair but they still want to get the point across that they found the situation unacceptable .
they should have choosen their words better as those work are normally used a code for sex abuse which is not the case I believe

Enlighten us to these rumours then - You're making very little sense with your replies
Sounds like saying enough to keep casting aspirations on the management team, without giving any actual information.

A bluffer then

no a bluffer just passing on the guts of a rumor pointing out that. were are not in a position to jusge and take sides as  its not always a simple thing to tell the whole story when others are involved and do not not want the subject of the story to become known , this is only 50% a football story .
. yes it did all start with Cora being left off the starting 15 but the management reaction to protests from the carnacon were not seen as appropriate and the carnacon contingent believes aspersions were being made regarding some of their players .and the walkout was decided on by players from carnacon other than Cora ,

Sorry but if a ladies football team with male manager claim they are in an unsafe environment you have to come out and substantiate that statement. Peter Leahy has a life and job outside of football so imagine the problems a comment like that must cause him and his family. You are just as bad with your cryptic bulls**t supporting the Carnacon players

The football liaison officer, the county board and the remaining panel backed the management and not the Cornacon players.  It's clear that Cora and/or the Cornacon players have to come out now with their issues and stop with the bulls**t waffle she has been peddling on the national airwaves. 
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 14, 2018, 10:37:00 AM
It's an absolute disgrace that these women have put something out there that has lead to all sorts of nudge-nudge, no-smoke-without-fire etc. type rumours.

I haven't heard any rumours but to refer to "an unsafe environment" does suggest something of a sexual nature.

Time for Cora and Co to be damn specific on what the feck thay are referring to.

If I was Leahy I would contact a solicitor to start the slander process

Really, a bit of a stretch of the imagination !
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 14, 2018, 11:11:39 AM
In this day and age that's not a stretch at all.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: heffo on September 14, 2018, 02:07:43 PM
In this day and age that's not a stretch at all.

That's the first thing everyone will think of.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trileacman on September 14, 2018, 02:23:04 PM
It’s defintiely no stretch. Sure didn’t Kimmage savage the chairman of that Dublin club for a similar statement against an individual. If I was Leahy I’d lawyer up to f**k, it’s a measure of respect that he hasn’t done so.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 14, 2018, 02:39:45 PM
It’s defintiely no stretch. Sure didn’t Kimmage savage the chairman of that Dublin club for a similar statement against an individual. If I was Leahy I’d lawyer up to f**k, it’s a measure of respect that he hasn’t done so.

Apparently Newstalk have contacted him and apologised for the language used by their guest.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Shamrock Shore on September 14, 2018, 03:06:50 PM
It's an absolute disgrace that these women have put something out there that has lead to all sorts of nudge-nudge, no-smoke-without-fire etc. type rumours.

I haven't heard any rumours but to refer to "an unsafe environment" does suggest something of a sexual nature.

Time for Cora and Co to be damn specific on what the feck thay are referring to.

If I was Leahy I would contact a solicitor to start the slander process

Really, a bit of a stretch of the imagination !

Is it? What else could "unsafe environment" allude to in this day and age. Before all the scandals in swimming and UK football and our old friend Tom Humphries we could have said, well, exposed wires in the dressing room or the minbus is too full on the way to matches. Now to me it would suggest that there are young girls on the panel are getting inappropriate texts from management or worse. Maybe, being well over 40+VAT, I am getting auld and cynical........but there ya go.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 14, 2018, 03:19:45 PM
It's an absolute disgrace that these women have put something out there that has lead to all sorts of nudge-nudge, no-smoke-without-fire etc. type rumours.

I haven't heard any rumours but to refer to "an unsafe environment" does suggest something of a sexual nature.

Time for Cora and Co to be damn specific on what the feck thay are referring to.

If I was Leahy I would contact a solicitor to start the slander process

Really, a bit of a stretch of the imagination !

Is it? What else could "unsafe environment" allude to in this day and age. Before all the scandals in swimming and UK football and our old friend Tom Humphries we could have said, well, exposed wires in the dressing room or the minbus is too full on the way to matches. Now to me it would suggest that there are young girls on the panel are getting inappropriate texts from management or worse. Maybe, being well over 40+VAT, I am getting auld and cynical........but there ya go.
Spot on. Anyone who says anything else is either being naďve in the extreme or as foolish as the people who have originally said those things in public
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 14, 2018, 03:45:04 PM
It’s defintiely no stretch. Sure didn’t Kimmage savage the chairman of that Dublin club for a similar statement against an individual. If I was Leahy I’d lawyer up to f**k, it’s a measure of respect that he hasn’t done so.

Apparently Newstalk have contacted him and apologised for the language used by their guest.

Where did you hear this?
If I was Leahy, I'd demand that they make a very public announcement on the evening show as a lot of people heard that interview with Cora.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 14, 2018, 04:06:39 PM
It’s defintiely no stretch. Sure didn’t Kimmage savage the chairman of that Dublin club for a similar statement against an individual. If I was Leahy I’d lawyer up to f**k, it’s a measure of respect that he hasn’t done so.

Apparently Newstalk have contacted him and apologised for the language used by their guest.

Where did you hear this?
If I was Leahy, I'd demand that they make a very public announcement on the evening show as a lot of people heard that interview with Cora.

https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1040585681989496832
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: bogball88 on September 14, 2018, 04:08:09 PM
The politics off Mayo football make me sick
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 14, 2018, 04:16:04 PM
It’s defintiely no stretch. Sure didn’t Kimmage savage the chairman of that Dublin club for a similar statement against an individual. If I was Leahy I’d lawyer up to f**k, it’s a measure of respect that he hasn’t done so.

Apparently Newstalk have contacted him and apologised for the language used by their guest.

Where did you hear this?
If I was Leahy, I'd demand that they make a very public announcement on the evening show as a lot of people heard that interview with Cora.

https://twitter.com/Woolberto/status/1040585681989496832

How does he know?
I assumed they'd revealed it on air this morning.
A private apology is not much use to him on its own.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: whitey on September 14, 2018, 04:20:51 PM
It's an absolute disgrace that these women have put something out there that has lead to all sorts of nudge-nudge, no-smoke-without-fire etc. type rumours.

I haven't heard any rumours but to refer to "an unsafe environment" does suggest something of a sexual nature.

Time for Cora and Co to be damn specific on what the feck thay are referring to.

If I was Leahy I would contact a solicitor to start the slander process

Really, a bit of a stretch of the imagination !

Is it? What else could "unsafe environment" allude to in this day and age. Before all the scandals in swimming and UK football and our old friend Tom Humphries we could have said, well, exposed wires in the dressing room or the minbus is too full on the way to matches. Now to me it would suggest that there are young girls on the panel are getting inappropriate texts from management or worse. Maybe, being well over 40+VAT, I am getting auld and cynical........but there ya go.
Spot on. Anyone who says anything else is either being naďve in the extreme or as foolish as the people who have originally said those things in public

I know someone involved in girls/womens football in a Mayo club, and none of the male mentors ever text a female player.......all texts go through a female adult
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: moysider on September 14, 2018, 10:14:30 PM

Leahy simply has to go the legal route on this imo.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 14, 2018, 11:33:29 PM

Leahy simply has to go the legal route on this imo.

I think he should hold his station! A bit like he has done up to now. The ball is now in Cora and Carnacons court.

Ironically Cora is releasing her book soon, and she will be in the media promoting it and she is in line for some uncomfortable questions.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 15, 2018, 12:13:33 AM

Leahy simply has to go the legal route on this imo.

I think he should hold his station! A bit like he has done up to now. The ball is now in Cora and Carnacons court.

Ironically Cora is releasing her book soon, and she will be in the media promoting it and she is in line for some uncomfortable questions.

If they ask them.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 15, 2018, 01:01:40 AM

Leahy simply has to go the legal route on this imo.

I think he should hold his station! A bit like he has done up to now. The ball is now in Cora and Carnacons court.

Ironically Cora is releasing her book soon, and she will be in the media promoting it and she is in line for some uncomfortable questions.

Sorry but his integrity/ professionalism and more frighteningly his character was called into question on the national airwaves. That could have serious implications for him in a personal capacity through work and family life.

With social media and the internet comments like unsafe environment go around the world in minutes. He has to go the legal route now as neither Cora or the Cornacon team have withdrawn their allegations.

It's easy for a keyboard warrior like yourself to say he should say nothing as you have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind. It's very very different when you have been accused on the national airwaves of frankly dispicable acts without any evidence put forward
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 15, 2018, 01:13:27 AM
“The legal route”

This thread has reached peak absurdity I see.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: screenexile on September 15, 2018, 04:33:42 PM
“The legal route”

This thread has reached peak absurdity I see.

If someone had accused you of creating “an unsafe” environment incorrectly would you not seek for them to retract it??
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 15, 2018, 06:22:32 PM
“The legal route”

This thread has reached peak absurdity I see.

If someone had accused you of creating “an unsafe” environment incorrectly would you not seek for them to retract it??

It is so incredibly vague I’d like to see how the legal eagles here were going to successfully win a legal case..
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 15, 2018, 09:21:39 PM
“The legal route”

This thread has reached peak absurdity I see.

If someone had accused you of creating “an unsafe” environment incorrectly would you not seek for them to retract it??

It is so incredibly vague I’d like to see how the legal eagles here were going to successfully win a legal case..

Now Syf your track record on legal advise wouldn’t be the strongest tbf...
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 15, 2018, 09:23:20 PM
“The legal route”

This thread has reached peak absurdity I see.

If someone had accused you of creating “an unsafe” environment incorrectly would you not seek for them to retract it??

It is so incredibly vague I’d like to see how the legal eagles here were going to successfully win a legal case..

Now Syf your track record on legal advise wouldn’t be the strongest tbf...

..and yet I was absolutely right in my cynicism in that case. Try again.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: moysider on September 15, 2018, 09:42:34 PM

It is libellous imo. If Leahy lets it go it will look like he has something to hide. A lot of people still on the side of the players that walked out.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 15, 2018, 11:21:59 PM

It is libellous imo. If Leahy lets it go it will look like he has something to hide. A lot of people still on the side of the players that walked out.

Do you mean slanderous ?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 15, 2018, 11:52:41 PM

Leahy simply has to go the legal route on this imo.

I think he should hold his station! A bit like he has done up to now. The ball is now in Cora and Carnacons court.

Ironically Cora is releasing her book soon, and she will be in the media promoting it and she is in line for some uncomfortable questions.

Sorry but his integrity/ professionalism and more frighteningly his character was called into question on the national airwaves. That could have serious implications for him in a personal capacity through work and family life.

With social media and the internet comments like unsafe environment go around the world in minutes. He has to go the legal route now as neither Cora or the Cornacon team have withdrawn their allegations.

It's easy for a keyboard warrior like yourself to say he should say nothing as you have the anonymity of the internet to hide behind. It's very very different when you have been accused on the national airwaves of frankly dispicable acts without any evidence put forward

I'm on you side. The smart thing is to wait first. There is no a lot of pressure on Cora and Carnacon. Wait and see if there is an apology. If there is back tracking. Cora is not used to this. No one has ever taken her on before, on or off the pitch.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 16, 2018, 12:15:47 AM

It is libellous imo. If Leahy lets it go it will look like he has something to hide. A lot of people still on the side of the players that walked out.
You don’t even know what libellous means.

What exactly would he be bringing to the court?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: moysider on September 16, 2018, 01:23:00 AM

It is libellous imo. If Leahy lets it go it will look like he has something to hide. A lot of people still on the side of the players that walked out.
You don’t even know what libellous means.

What exactly would he be bringing to the court?

I do know. His name has been blackened. He has been accused of managing an unsafe environment and intentionally or not a communication/story/spin was put out to injure his reputation.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: moysider on September 16, 2018, 01:32:36 AM

It is libellous imo. If Leahy lets it go it will look like he has something to hide. A lot of people still on the side of the players that walked out.

Do you mean slanderous ?

It depends. I'm sure Carnacon communicated with cb in some written form but don't know what language was used. Verbally Cora was slanderous in that interview. You could argue that saying something on radio is = to writing something down on paper. That makes it libellous imo.  It wasn't like she was talking to a neighbour down the shop.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 16, 2018, 08:24:09 AM
Accused of “managing an unsafe environment”. Really?

I think he’d need a bit more than that. Unless he has been directly slandered himself somewhere, it is the environment that has been described as unsafe, not him.

What did you mean by “unsafe environment” Ms Staunton?

It was an unsafe environment for me to be in as it was making me have low self esteem and I felt my mental health was suffering. So, I left.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 16, 2018, 08:32:46 AM
Accused of “managing an unsafe environment”. Really?

I think he’d need a bit more than that. Unless he has been directly slandered himself somewhere, it is the environment that has been described as unsafe, not him.

What did you mean by “unsafe environment” Ms Staunton?

It was an unsafe environment for me to be in as it was making me have low self esteem and I felt my mental health was suffering. So, I left.

But it wasn't her in an unsafe environment from what I took from her interview, it was 'young girls'.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 16, 2018, 08:33:17 AM
“The legal route”

This thread has reached peak absurdity I see.

If someone had accused you of creating “an unsafe” environment incorrectly would you not seek for them to retract it??

It is so incredibly vague I’d like to see how the legal eagles here were going to successfully win a legal case..

Now Syf your track record on legal advise wouldn’t be the strongest tbf...

..and yet I was absolutely right in my cynicism in that case. Try again.
Only in your world I’m afraid!!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 16, 2018, 08:36:20 AM
Accused of “managing an unsafe environment”. Really?

I think he’d need a bit more than that. Unless he has been directly slandered himself somewhere, it is the environment that has been described as unsafe, not him.

What did you mean by “unsafe environment” Ms Staunton?

It was an unsafe environment for me to be in as it was making me have low self esteem and I felt my mental health was suffering. So, I left.

But it wasn't her in an unsafe environment from what I took from her interview, it was 'young girls'.
It is very vague. It doesn’t directly point to any wrongdoing by any individual and any accusation of slander would be easily dismissed.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: tippabu on September 16, 2018, 05:52:56 PM
What is the story with the mayo championship? When is the next round due to be played and when's first round of the connacht championship
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Seany on September 17, 2018, 08:45:38 AM
Mayo manger has just done a very interesting interview with Woolly which shines a strong light into that squad.  he appears to be an excellent manager and was quite diplomatic in his analysis, but the message was clear.  Carnacon to blame.  Precious, touchy and led up the garden path.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 17, 2018, 09:36:09 AM
Good man, Seany.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 18, 2018, 08:24:01 AM
Odd statement by mayo ladies this morning. They wanted to make clear that it wasn’t player selection that caused them to walk but then gave no other reason for walking apart from poor or insulting feedback for not making team/match day squad .
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Shamrock Shore on September 18, 2018, 08:41:44 AM
Clearly emotional captain - but she said the square root of fcuk all.

Not one specific example - just something vague about atmosphere and emotions..

Sweet jesus.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Smurfy123 on September 18, 2018, 08:48:22 AM
It’s just turning into a mess. And doesn’t look great on the players. They still haven’t stated what has happened. Sweet lord they neeed to back down as they are making fools of themselves.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: TomDoodle on September 18, 2018, 08:59:24 AM
More vague nonsense from Carnacon rebels. They claim that Peter Leahy's comments that the issue was all about 'feeling's was insulting and go on to say that players 'felt' isolated, intimidated and helpless.
Again they are throwing around unfounded assertions. They describe the mediation process as 'unfair' but give no explanation. This was a process, which they agreed to, conducted by a professional mediator. This is another individual being undermined by the group with absolutely nothing to back up their allegations.
Fiona McHale specifically mentioned that one issue was a player - a senior inter-county footballer - being upset at being told she was lazy by the manager. Seriously???
We are to believe that this issue categorically has nothing to do with team selection and yet it all kicked off when two players (in their mid-thirties) were told they would not be starting.
The players statement gives the impression that there were ongoing issues. Surely, surely these would have been brought to the attention of the liason officer way way back?? Obviously any self respecting liason officer can't betray confidences but at this stage she should be allowed to confirm if any such complaints were brought to her. If not then this story is dead surely???
OTB have embarrassed themselves on this one. A child could see that the players haven't a leg to stand on. All was fine in the Mayo camp until certain parties returned after the League. The remaining players have emphatically insisted in the strongest possible terms, that there were no welfare issues.

The only correct course of action here was for the players to hold up their hands and apologise. they have acted disgracefully and their abject failure, even at this stage, to establish any credible, just reasons, for abandoning the panel mid-Championship, shows that they have no case. Unfortunately their leaders are not the type to back down and so the mess carries on. Media really needs to get their teeth into this and start asking some hard questions, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 18, 2018, 09:17:52 AM
Clearly emotional captain - but she said the square root of fcuk all.

Not one specific example - just something vague about atmosphere and emotions..

Sweet jesus.

Agreed
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Orchard park on September 18, 2018, 09:36:23 AM
The tears didn't help her case
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 09:38:44 AM
Tears help people decide who the injured party is.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 18, 2018, 09:40:31 AM
Was there a press conference? Anyone got a link to video / audio?

Cheers
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 18, 2018, 09:47:44 AM
Odd statement by mayo ladies this morning. They wanted to make clear that it wasn’t player selection that caused them to walk but then gave no other reason for walking apart from poor or insulting feedback for not making team/match day squad .

Example - Manager told one player she was lazy - maybe she was
Example - Manager told one player she wasnt committed but she missed only 1 training - Well committed is more than just turning up at training. You can be committed or not committed in a match or at training.

Again, came across like they felt they were losing the battle and had to say something. In the end they said nothing that no player hasn't heard at one time or another from a manager. Clearly this was sour grapes from some players who felt entitled to start on a team.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 09:50:10 AM
'The whole experience had a significant impact on our mental health' - Departed Mayo players release strong statement

In a strong statement released this morning, the 12 players and two of the management team who left the panel said the "whole experience had a significant impact on their mental health".

The statement claimed:

The players all left because of player welfare issues
Whole experience had a significant impact on their mental health
It was not due to selection issues nor to one or two players
Reasons for leaving were related to player welfare issues that were personal, and were sensitive
A number of players but most notably our captain Sarah Tierney has endured an extremely difficult relationship with the Mayo manager over the 2018 season
Lack of communication, being undermined, intimidated, feeling isolated and eventually helpless in the entire situation
Mediation, which was another opportunity for engagement and agreement (even to disagree) was hindered by what we believe was an unfair process.


https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/the-whole-experience-had-a-significant-impact-on-our-mental-health-departed-mayo-players-release-strong-statement-37327872.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/the-whole-experience-had-a-significant-impact-on-our-mental-health-departed-mayo-players-release-strong-statement-37327872.html)

This is going down a seriously ill-advised and disappointing road now.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: thebackbar1 on September 18, 2018, 09:53:08 AM
in the documentary about Cora, she states "our club was won a lot, so we set the tone, well the others haven't won anything"  did i pick that up right ? what was the context of that statement ?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 18, 2018, 09:54:03 AM
Was there a press conference? Anyone got a link to video / audio?

Cheers

Crazy stuff, this will have to come to a head at same stage. There's no way PL and his management team will not respond to this:

"issues that were personal, and were sensitive"

"being undermined, intimidated, feeling isolated and eventually helpless"

The whole experience had a significant impact on our mental health

"extremely difficult relationship"

"‘unhealthy’ and ‘unsafe’ and accept, and take responsibility for the implications of this language but for us, these are relevant terms"

"Specifically, a number of players but most notably our captain Sarah Tierney has endured an extremely difficult relationship with the Mayo manager over the 2018 season."
- Why single out 1 player , the captain?

________________________________________________________________________________________________

"We have remained silent until now and appreciate that this left a space for speculation and rumour; we take responsibility for that," the statement released on Tuesday morning by the players read.

"We had always hoped that our story would come out in a respectful, private setting but at this stage feel that we have no choice but to represent ourselves to ease our own conscience and to hopefully close the public discourse on this matter.

"Firstly, we want to be clear that regardless of timing or language or delivery of the message to leave the Mayo set up, all fourteen of us can categorically state that we left for the same reasons.

"These reasons were in relation to player welfare issues that we witnessed or experienced in our time with the set up. We would like to be clear to everyone that these were not due to selection issues nor to one or two players.

"To suggest that any player would encourage or expect a team mate to leave a panel because they were not on a starting fifteen, or indeed, that a player would leave because of such a request, is hugely disrespectful to us all as athletes and people.

"Secondly," the statement continues, "our reasons for stepping away from the Mayo panel were related to player welfare issues that were personal, and were sensitive.

"Specifically, a number of players but most notably our captain Sarah Tierney has endured an extremely difficult relationship with the Mayo manager over the 2018 season.

"Ultimately our issues related to a lack of communication, being undermined, intimidated, feeling isolated and eventually helpless in the entire situation.

"The whole experience had a significant impact on our mental health.  We used the terms ‘unhealthy’ and ‘unsafe’ and accept, and take responsibility for the implications of this language but for us, these are relevant terms and stepping away was the right decision."

The statement also responds to manager Peter Leahy's comments on the situation claiming: "Our issues were broader and deeper and dismissing them as ‘feelings’ is extremely unhelpful and careless.

"We made a decision for ourselves, as amateur players, who absolutely love our sport, to step away from it. This decision was not taken lightly and our intention was never to cause upset for anyone rather to protect the well-being of each other.

"We appreciate that not every player may have experienced or witnessed these issues and also we appreciate that a number of us did not address these fully with the rest of the Mayo panel."

You can read the full statement provided below.

Statement in Full

To begin we want to acknowledge what a great day Sunday was for ladies football; the crowd, standard of football and we offer congratulations to all six teams involved. 

We as a group of fourteen people, the twelve players and two members of management who stepped away from the Mayo senior ladies set up in July 2018 would like to address the issues around our actions.

We have remained silent until now and appreciate that this left a space for speculation and rumour; we take responsibility for that. We had always hoped that our story would come out in a respectful, private setting but at this stage feel that we have no choice but to represent ourselves to ease our own conscience and to hopefully close the public discourse on this matter.

Firstly, we want to be clear that regardless of timing or language or delivery of the message to leave the Mayo set up, all fourteen of us can categorically state that we left for the same reasons.

These reasons were in relation to player welfare issues that we witnessed or experienced in our time with the set up. We would like to be clear to everyone that these were not due to selection issues nor to one or two players.

Everyone involved in county panels, including us twelve players, are hugely competitive and of course want to be playing on the starting fifteen. However, to suggest that any player would encourage or expect a team mate to leave a panel because they were not on a starting fifteen, or indeed, that a player would leave because of such a request, is hugely disrespectful to us all as athletes and people.   

Secondly, our reasons for stepping away from the Mayo panel were related to player welfare issues that were personal, and were sensitive.

Specifically, a number of players but most notably our captain Sarah Tierney has endured an extremely difficult relationship with the Mayo manager over the 2018 season.

Ultimately our issues related to a lack of communication, being undermined, intimidated, feeling isolated and eventually helpless in the entire situation.

The whole experience had a significant impact on our mental health.  We used the terms ‘unhealthy’ and ‘unsafe’ and accept, and take responsibility for the implications of this language but for us, these are relevant terms and stepping away was the right decision.

We will be judged for our decision but this was extremely important to us and something we had to take a stand on.

There is now widespread acceptance that player welfare is much more than having a physio, proper strength and conditioning, good pitches. We fought long enough for these basic conditions, and thankfully over the last few years, we have not had an issue with them – and equally in 2018 we had a good set up.

Our issues were broader and deeper and dismissing them as ‘feelings’ is extremely unhelpful and careless.  We made a decision for ourselves, as amateur players, who absolutely love our sport, to step away from it. This decision was not taken lightly and our intention was never to cause upset for anyone rather to protect the well-being of each other.

We appreciate that not every player may have experienced or witnessed these issues and also we appreciate that a number of us did not address these fully with the rest of the Mayo panel.

Despite this, many of the remaining panel did attend a players meeting on Saturday July 7th and did agree that there were issues at play.

Secondly, an opportunity for all of the departed players and current players to sit down and discuss the situation on Sunday July 8th was ultimately pulled by the county board and others.  In addition, mediation, which was another opportunity for engagement and agreement (even to disagree) was hindered by what we believe was an unfair process.

At this point, we are completely disillusioned and our attempts to remain dignified after such a significant decision have been undermined. When we raised our issues they were dismissed, when mediation failed we were let go and now we feel we are being portrayed as weak, hysterical, hyper sensitive people when in reality we made a choice for ourselves, and felt strong enough to do so.

What does the reaction say to people who want to ever speak up, who ever want to raise an issue that this is how we handle it? We must be able to tell all players that their opinions, their feelings and their experiences matter.

We must be able to listen when they have a problem with structures in place. We must not publicly shame them or indeed ban them from doing what they love before we hear what they have to say properly and before we consider player welfare in its truest sense. 

We do appreciate that all parties have been affected, especially our fellow team-mates.  They have expressed this and now we have too.

One of the saddest outcomes of the whole thing is that there has been a serious strain put on friendships.  We were within our rights to walk away from something that we felt was wrong and whatever people may ultimately think, we were pushed to a stage where the right option, the healthy option, was to remove ourselves.

Finally, we have been and will continue to be proud Mayo people. We have been privileged and honoured to represent Mayo and always will only want the best and have the highest expectations for anyone who takes to the field in a Mayo jersey.

We hope this answers the questions which have been in the public sphere and we as a group hope that this will bring an end to a very tough time in all our lives.  We do not wish to comment any further.

SIGNED

Sarah Tierney

Fiona McHale

Denise McDonagh

Shauna Howley

Marie Corbett

Cora Staunton

Elaine Murphy

Doireann Hughes

Martha Carter

Amy Dowling

Saoirse Walsh

Sadbh Larkin

Orla Conlon

Michael McHale
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: mick999 on September 18, 2018, 09:55:43 AM
Audio clips on OFF THE BALL

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1041967502513848320

From 5 Mins and then from 86 mins onwards
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: pbat on September 18, 2018, 09:59:03 AM
Is Serena Williams managing the PR for the 12.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 18, 2018, 10:02:57 AM
Their a joke, is that it?

They've been used to having their own way for far too long and not used to someone standing up to them and they've had a meltdown. There was an interview with Cora Staunton about 5/6 years ago on Setanta I think it was, don't think i've ever seen any sportsperson come across as so arrogant.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 18, 2018, 10:04:40 AM
bingo buzzwords to find out who the victim is; "mental health" check, "feelings" check, "tears" check. Right no need to look any further into this says the media, bastarding men at it again. Crucifixion? First turn on the left, one cross each.

Tom Doodle, is that you Peter? :) Don't resign now whatever you do. F*ck them, pick a panel of ladies who put the county first and let the rest of them head off into the sunset. Best thing to do now is start preparing for next year and forget about that gang irrespective of how talented some of them might be.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: haranguerer on September 18, 2018, 10:06:24 AM
Very cynical to use (as it appears to me) mental health issues in this way.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 18, 2018, 10:17:38 AM
Did all the players who left sign the statement? There were some non-carnacon players who left and it was reported at the time that they were leaving for different reasons to the others
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: haranguerer on September 18, 2018, 10:17:47 AM
The whole thing is mortifying for them. They're making a holy show of themselves
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: larryin89 on September 18, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Throw in the awl mental health there Cora good maneen
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 18, 2018, 10:19:15 AM
Very cynical to use (as it appears to me) mental health issues in this way.

It really is.

Undermines those that do have real and serious mental health problems which need to be taken seriously when the affected person plucks up the confidence to reach out for help - and the affected person needs to know they would be taken seriously.
 
Out west, I'd fear that today, in someone vulnerable, their confidence in confiding in anyone else is eroded a little by these charlatans cynically abuse the conditions for their own ends.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 18, 2018, 10:26:57 AM
Audio clips on OFF THE BALL

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1041967502513848320

From 5 Mins and then from 86 mins onwards

cheers
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 10:29:00 AM
The beauty of the 'mental health' angle in this instance is that it's entirely subjective.
You can't question the veracity of such a claim or you will be torn asunder in the court of public opinion.
I can see how this will develop from here.
The majority of people discussing sport online are men.
A lot of the discussion surrounding this will be along the lines of, 'Are they for real?'
'FEMINIST' (as opposed to feminist) types, who only take an interest in ladies gaelic football once a year to lament the fact that it's still called 'ladies' football, will accuse them of misogyny, bullying etc. and before long we have a perfect storm where actual facts simply will not matter.

It brings to mind a recent article by friend of the board Ewan Mackenna, regarding the Serena Williams affair.
His opinion was (correctly in my view) that it wasn't equal treatment Serena wanted, it was special treatment.
This feels the same to me, but no male journalist (other than Ewan probably) will want to touch this story with a barge-pole.
At least not in any serious way which challenges the reasons for leaving given in the players' statement.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 18, 2018, 10:43:38 AM
The beauty of the 'mental health' angle in this instance is that it's entirely subjective.
You can't question the veracity of such a claim or you will be torn asunder in the court of public opinion.
I can see how this will develop from here.
The majority of people discussing sport online are men.
A lot of the discussion surrounding this will be along the lines of, 'Are they for real?'
'FEMINIST' (as opposed to feminist) types, who only take an interest in ladies gaelic football once a year to lament the fact that it's still called 'ladies' football, will accuse them of misogyny, bullying etc. and before long we have a perfect storm where actual facts simply will not matter.

It brings to mind a recent article by friend of the board Ewan Mackenna, regarding the Serena Williams affair.
His opinion was (correctly in my view) that it wasn't equal treatment Serena wanted, it was special treatment.
This feels the same to me, but no male journalist (other than Ewan probably) will want to touch this story with a barge-pole.
At least not in any serious way which challenges the reasons for leaving given in the players' statement.

This is a weirdly preemptively defensive post, Jinxy. Cora and company have not found much support in their own county or own panel, nevermind in the general population. This whole episode is now pretty much done unless the appeal to ban Carnacon is successful.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 18, 2018, 10:45:36 AM
Is Serena Williams managing the PR for the 12.
but the problem is, the likes of OTB (who I have now lost total respect for) will no more do proper research into this than jimmy sloyan does into his theories
The soundbites will win and matterafuck about doing some research.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 18, 2018, 10:48:25 AM
The beauty of the 'mental health' angle in this instance is that it's entirely subjective.
You can't question the veracity of such a claim or you will be torn asunder in the court of public opinion.
I can see how this will develop from here.
The majority of people discussing sport online are men.
A lot of the discussion surrounding this will be along the lines of, 'Are they for real?'
'FEMINIST' (as opposed to feminist) types, who only take an interest in ladies gaelic football once a year to lament the fact that it's still called 'ladies' football, will accuse them of misogyny, bullying etc. and before long we have a perfect storm where actual facts simply will not matter.

It brings to mind a recent article by friend of the board Ewan Mackenna, regarding the Serena Williams affair.
His opinion was (correctly in my view) that it wasn't equal treatment Serena wanted, it was special treatment.
This feels the same to me, but no male journalist (other than Ewan probably) will want to touch this story with a barge-pole.
At least not in any serious way which challenges the reasons for leaving given in the players' statement.
Jacqui Hurley and Sinead Kissane were the only two journalists at the press conference it seems ::)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 18, 2018, 10:50:40 AM
The beauty of the 'mental health' angle in this instance is that it's entirely subjective.
You can't question the veracity of such a claim or you will be torn asunder in the court of public opinion.
I can see how this will develop from here.
The majority of people discussing sport online are men.
A lot of the discussion surrounding this will be along the lines of, 'Are they for real?'
'FEMINIST' (as opposed to feminist) types, who only take an interest in ladies gaelic football once a year to lament the fact that it's still called 'ladies' football, will accuse them of misogyny, bullying etc. and before long we have a perfect storm where actual facts simply will not matter.

It brings to mind a recent article by friend of the board Ewan Mackenna, regarding the Serena Williams affair.
His opinion was (correctly in my view) that it wasn't equal treatment Serena wanted, it was special treatment.
This feels the same to me, but no male journalist (other than Ewan probably) will want to touch this story with a barge-pole.
At least not in any serious way which challenges the reasons for leaving given in the players' statement.
Jacqui Hurley and Sinead Kissane were the only two journalists at the press conference it seems ::)

Their some craic, likely the only two who even knew about it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 18, 2018, 10:51:02 AM
Is Serena Williams managing the PR for the 12.
but the problem is, the likes of OTB (who I have now lost total respect for) will no more do proper research into this than jimmy sloyan does into his theories
The soundbites will win and matterafuck about doing some research.
Stopped listening to OTB when they  started having a bookie from boylesports do segements. Get up the yard.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 10:51:27 AM
https://twitter.com/OfftheBenchOTB/status/1041971644984635392 (https://twitter.com/OfftheBenchOTB/status/1041971644984635392)

'Awful to see players talk of toll this, and esp reaction to it , has taken on mental health. They're amateurs & play/not play is their decision. Shouldn't be judged for it & defo one club shouldn't be thrown out of local SFC for it. Carnacon appealing 4 reinstatement again 2nite'

Here's how I think this will go down.
The narrative will be 'the female players were being badly treated by a male management team, so opted to walk away. To punish them, their club was thrown out of the championship'.
The thing you're underestimating Syferus, is that this has been confined to the sports pages until now.
Now that the players have released a statement citing 'mental health' and 'intimidation', watch it grow legs.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 10:55:21 AM
I would strongly advise the Mayo management team to let the Mayo players handle this altogether.
Very different optics in that case.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 18, 2018, 10:58:46 AM
The Mayo players released a statement at the time, Jinxy. This isn’t a rock many will die on given the sentiment towards Carnacon in Mayo.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: TomDoodle on September 18, 2018, 11:07:39 AM
Part of the problem is that the Carnacon gang are now conflating what has happened since they abandoned ship with their initial reasons for going. Any alleged abuse on social media for example is completely irrelevant because it happened after they acted and can not be cited as a reason for leaving. I don't doubt that it's tough on the players who walked but they have brought that on themselves and management can hardly be blamed. Did Sarah Tierney break down in tears because of what was happening at training? No, she broke down because of the pressure that has built up since they jumped and the terrible mess they are now in. But Joe Public only see the tears and reckon she must have been terribly hard done by.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 18, 2018, 11:08:01 AM
The beauty of the 'mental health' angle in this instance is that it's entirely subjective.
You can't question the veracity of such a claim or you will be torn asunder in the court of public opinion.
I can see how this will develop from here.
The majority of people discussing sport online are men.
A lot of the discussion surrounding this will be along the lines of, 'Are they for real?'
'FEMINIST' (as opposed to feminist) types, who only take an interest in ladies gaelic football once a year to lament the fact that it's still called 'ladies' football, will accuse them of misogyny, bullying etc. and before long we have a perfect storm where actual facts simply will not matter.

It brings to mind a recent article by friend of the board Ewan Mackenna, regarding the Serena Williams affair.
His opinion was (correctly in my view) that it wasn't equal treatment Serena wanted, it was special treatment.
This feels the same to me, but no male journalist (other than Ewan probably) will want to touch this story with a barge-pole.
At least not in any serious way which challenges the reasons for leaving given in the players' statement.
Jacqui Hurley and Sinead Kissane were the only two journalists at the press conference it seems ::)

Their some craic, likely the only two who even knew about it.
If that's the case and MWR and the Mayo papers were left out then that really is something.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 18, 2018, 11:08:13 AM
I would strongly advise the Mayo management team to let the Mayo players handle this altogether.
Very different optics in that case.

According to RTE sports News at 11:00 this morning, Peter Leahy is going to make a statement later on this morning.
Looks like this issue is going to be battled out over the National airwaves, not the ideal way to go.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 18, 2018, 11:16:21 AM
The beauty of the 'mental health' angle in this instance is that it's entirely subjective.
You can't question the veracity of such a claim or you will be torn asunder in the court of public opinion.
I can see how this will develop from here.
The majority of people discussing sport online are men.
A lot of the discussion surrounding this will be along the lines of, 'Are they for real?'
'FEMINIST' (as opposed to feminist) types, who only take an interest in ladies gaelic football once a year to lament the fact that it's still called 'ladies' football, will accuse them of misogyny, bullying etc. and before long we have a perfect storm where actual facts simply will not matter.

It brings to mind a recent article by friend of the board Ewan Mackenna, regarding the Serena Williams affair.
His opinion was (correctly in my view) that it wasn't equal treatment Serena wanted, it was special treatment.
This feels the same to me, but no male journalist (other than Ewan probably) will want to touch this story with a barge-pole.
At least not in any serious way which challenges the reasons for leaving given in the players' statement.

This is a weirdly preemptively defensive post, Jinxy. Cora and company have not found much support in their own county or own panel, nevermind in the general population. This whole episode is now pretty much done unless the appeal to ban Carnacon is successful.
I don't agree, if you listen to any of the casual commentary on it on the likes of OTB evening show (I don't listen to the morning one), as late as last week it was still very much along the lines of management should have handled this better, the poor players. The general population will just skim this, and will take the following from it: "young women walked away citing player welfare issues and an unsafe environment. Manager denied it. Group of high profile players came out and said aforementioned manager damaged their mental health." Who is the court of public appeal going to come out on the side of with when those are the soundbites they are focusing on? Its only about 10% of sports fans will really study this, and probably much less than that in the general population who will just get the main headlines that I've outlined above and look no further.
Put it this way, if nothing else happens from here on and your average punter meets Peter Leahy at some seminar or something what are the things they are going to associate him with?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Captain Scarlet on September 18, 2018, 11:16:44 AM
This is a joke now and are you telling me that this hasn't been anything other than calculated by the Carnacon women.
Use of the words unsafe and unhealthy. then they are talking about mental health, fully aware no-one can ever question that without being blacklisted.

Then the only two journos who go to the press conference are Kissane (who wrote a piece in their favour when it first broke) and Jacqui who can't exactly go all out when she has worked with Cora on RTE Radio all summer...

OTB are too afraid to be critical too in case they are called sexist. Ger is really choosing his words carefully in all this.

So what if a manager calls a player lazy?! Am I missing something here. Are you honestly telling me Mick Bohan hasn't had choice words for those Dub women in the last two years??
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 18, 2018, 11:18:30 AM
I would strongly advise the Mayo management team to let the Mayo players handle this altogether.
Very different optics in that case.

According to RTE sports News at 11:00 this morning, Peter Leahy is going to make a statement later on this morning.
Looks like this issue is going to be battled out over the National airwaves, not the ideal way to go.
Hes going to go legal I bet ya. I'm no solicitor so I don't know the technicalities of it, but if I were he and its played out to date the way it seems to have then I'd certainly be taking advice in that area.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: haranguerer on September 18, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
Peter Leahy should hold his counsel. The girls are f**king themselves up enough as it is without him needing to get dragged into a he said she said situation.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 11:36:31 AM
I would strongly advise the Mayo management team to let the Mayo players handle this altogether.
Very different optics in that case.

According to RTE sports News at 11:00 this morning, Peter Leahy is going to make a statement later on this morning.
Looks like this issue is going to be battled out over the National airwaves, not the ideal way to go.

Bad idea.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: heffo on September 18, 2018, 11:38:46 AM
Is Serena Williams managing the PR for the 12.
but the problem is, the likes of OTB (who I have now lost total respect for) will no more do proper research into this than jimmy sloyan does into his theories
The soundbites will win and matterafuck about doing some research.
Stopped listening to OTB when they  started having a bookie from boylesports do segements. Get up the yard.

Leon from Blanch?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 11:40:23 AM
A taste of what's to come...

Is the @officialgaa system supporting this mans behavior? Would his behavior be tolerated if it was the men’s team ? @OrlaNWCI @NWCI need to support these ladies to understanding this classic bully behavior if the @Mayo_LGFA @MayoGAA don’t step up. #raging #MayoGaa #Mayoladies

https://twitter.com/ElaineSandraLiz/status/1041973198768812033 (https://twitter.com/ElaineSandraLiz/status/1041973198768812033)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 18, 2018, 11:43:38 AM
A taste of what's to come...

Is the @officialgaa system supporting this mans behavior? Would his behavior be tolerated if it was the men’s team ? @OrlaNWCI @NWCI need to support these ladies to understanding this classic bully behavior if the @Mayo_LGFA @MayoGAA don’t step up. #raging #MayoGaa #Mayoladies

https://twitter.com/ElaineSandraLiz/status/1041973198768812033 (https://twitter.com/ElaineSandraLiz/status/1041973198768812033)

You’re quoting someone with a Disney character for an avatar and 300 followers, Jinxy - you’d find far more reprehensible stuff on this forum to quote. We have a 100 page rape trial thread and an active 9/11 truther community ffs..
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 18, 2018, 11:57:29 AM
Thought this whole thing would be allowed to wither away quietly after Leahy spoke last week but the girls who left have amazingly decided to double down with an added sprinkle of "mental health" abuse. A bit out of order if you ask me and insulting to people who genuinely suffer greatly with their mental health. It seems to have developed into a catch all buzz word for generally being unhappy about something.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 18, 2018, 11:59:48 AM
A taste of what's to come...

Is the @officialgaa system supporting this mans behavior? Would his behavior be tolerated if it was the men’s team ? @OrlaNWCI @NWCI need to support these ladies to understanding this classic bully behavior if the @Mayo_LGFA @MayoGAA don’t step up. #raging #MayoGaa #Mayoladies

https://twitter.com/ElaineSandraLiz/status/1041973198768812033 (https://twitter.com/ElaineSandraLiz/status/1041973198768812033)
Ah the classic uber feminist type jumping in with not a clue about the issue only that it's the patriarchy to blame, linking the NWCI into it and all. Suppose she doesn't even realise that the LGFA are a totally separate body, but then I suppose that's probably the mens fault too.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 18, 2018, 12:02:13 PM
Thought this whole thing would be allowed to wither away quietly after Leahy spoke last week but the girls who left have amazingly decided to double down with an added sprinkle of "mental health" abuse. A bit out of order if you ask me and insulting to people who genuinely suffer greatly with their mental health. It seems to have developed into a catch all buzz word for generally being unhappy about something.
The funny thing is about all that and the "lazy"remarks is that the Camogie association were running ads the last while from some of the top players about how camogie made them strong, resilient, confident etc. and the tagline being that it "made them ready for the real world". It's a stark contrast to what this group are portraying.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 18, 2018, 12:25:14 PM
Michael McHale and Denise McDonagh are from which Mayo club does anyone know?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: TomDoodle on September 18, 2018, 12:32:22 PM
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Michael McHale and Denise McDonagh are from which Mayo club does anyone know?

Michael McHale is Fiona McHale's father (Carnacon). Not sure about Denise McDonagh
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 12:40:12 PM
A taste of what's to come...

Is the @officialgaa system supporting this mans behavior? Would his behavior be tolerated if it was the men’s team ? @OrlaNWCI @NWCI need to support these ladies to understanding this classic bully behavior if the @Mayo_LGFA @MayoGAA don’t step up. #raging #MayoGaa #Mayoladies

https://twitter.com/ElaineSandraLiz/status/1041973198768812033 (https://twitter.com/ElaineSandraLiz/status/1041973198768812033)

You’re quoting someone with a Disney character for an avatar and 300 followers, Jinxy - you’d find far more reprehensible stuff on this forum to quote. We have a 100 page rape trial thread and an active 9/11 truther community ffs..

Hence the 'taste of what's to come' bit.
Look, I'll be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong but this is coming along on the heels of the Serena Williams affair.
I've noticed that Irish people of a certain slant often look to find 'our' version of anything that is currently a hot topic on the international stage.
This gives them that opportunity, but as a lot of those people aren't actually into sport, it depends how much of a foothold the story gets in the national media.
As I said before, it's been a sports story up to now, hence it has flown under the radar.
Time will tell.
If it's part of the regular news cycle this evening, I think it'll blow up.
If it remains confined to the sports bulletin at the end, I think it'll blow over.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 18, 2018, 12:42:14 PM
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Michael McHale and Denise McDonagh are from which Mayo club does anyone know?

Michael McHale is Fiona McHale's father (Carnacon). Not sure about Denise McDonagh
Denise McDonagh is Carnacon
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 18, 2018, 12:44:07 PM
http://www.offtheball.com/GAA/Specifics-mayo-football (http://www.offtheball.com/GAA/Specifics-mayo-football)

Former Mayo ladies football captain Sarah Tierney has detailed in which she felt "intimidated" and "undermined" in her dealings with management, sparking the departure of 14 members of the senior set-up this summer.

Tierney was speaking at a press conference last night and outlined some of the interactions she had with Mayo manager Peter Leahy since the beginning of the year.

"We didn't leave because of Cora and we didn't leave because of selection issues," Tierney explained.

"For me personally, I would have noticed negativity in his management style from the outset of the year.

"I'll give you a few examples. I was late returning to the Mayo panel this year, I returned on January 12th. I was sitting exams so I was away. When I returned to the panel, we had training on the first night. I had had a very good relationship with Peter when he was involved with us inn 2017 and 2013 when he was involved with us previously.

"On my first night back, the majority of the training was all running. I made a passing comment to him like 'Jesus Peter, is it going to be all running tonight or will it be any football'.

"I didn't mean anything malicious by it, it's not my character. The following night I received a phonecall from Peter about the  comment I made and he basically attacked me on the phone.

"He basically said he didn't give a "f**k" about how many All Stars I had or what name I had made for myself in football. He was the manager and what he said goes this year.

"He didn't care what name anyone had, he would have no problem dropping someone who stepped out of line.

"He also said to me that he would be making a phonecall to Marie Corbett about her behaviour and that it was inappropriate at training.

"The tone and the context of this conversation set the tone for the year ahead and any encounters I had with him.

"Obviously my role as captain, I was going to him about questions and comments and it was constantly thrown back in my face, negative comments about my personality or about my performance."

She continued: "On the May 30th, we had training in Rochfortbridge up the country. At the end of training everyone had gone and I went up to Peter to say that we had an issue in the backs all season. In the league we had been conceding high scores.

"I said 'I think there's a massive communication issue here and if we can get a past player in to come in as a player or a guest coach to talk us through a few things that it would add value to the set-up'.

"He took it on board that night. The following Friday night, June 1st, it was approximately 6.30pm down at the centre of excellence and he gave me the 'curly finger' as he called it and summons me out of the room.

"I knew what was coming. I was brought away from all players and all of management. It was like a personal attack that evening, I can only describe it as I've never felt so intimidated in my entire life.

"He told me I was getting absolutely roasted at training, that I was performing absolutely shite, that the reason I was distracted the previous night at training was because I was so caught up with going to him with this suggestion of bringing this guest player in.

"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"The conversation ended that night, but I swore driving home from training that night that I'd be in a one-on-one situation with him again unless the liaison officer was there. I felt totally intimidated."

"On June 8th, two weeks before our Connacht final, we played Roscommon in a challenge game. As I was leaving the dressing room, I saw 10 players - which is about a third of our panel - over at a car with Denise [McDonagh] and there was a player visibly upset and I was thinking 'what is going on here?'

"Peter had mistreated this player, excluded her from the team that evening and treated her really badly. Me and Denise were consoling her and Denise was apologising to this player.

"She was told she wasn't selected on the team that night on purpose and that she wasn't going to make the Connacht final squad. Two weeks beforehand to tell this to a player is not acceptable.

"While me and Denise were consoling this other player, the manager was upstairs having a laugh and joke with another girl who was good friends with the girl who was upset and saying 'oh you'll have a fun journey home tonight.'

"This in my eyes is not acceptable. Throughout the year I've had a really difficult relationship with the manager. I can honestly say it was repetitive, it wasn't a one-off occurrence and on a number of occasions it was overly aggressive.

"I don't know what I did to deserve this. I feel like my role of captain, I couldn't execute it to the best of my ability. I was being undermined, I felt isolated, paranoid, intimidated and I started to lack hugely in my own self confidence because of it.

"A lot of the issues that I would have spoken to him about that led to these interactions were in relation to attendance at training, communication between players and strength and conditioning - requesting an upper-body gym programme.

"I feel that in my role in captain it's within my right to ask and demand the best. I felt like I was constantly, constantly shot down."
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: haranguerer on September 18, 2018, 12:54:04 PM
Sweet mother of f**k. To say its baseless gives it too much credence. its a joke. How could you manage that??
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 12:56:02 PM
A couple of fairly serious allegations in there.
I dunno what Peter Leahy does for a living, but I'm sure he has female colleagues.
Now we're getting into legal territory.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Westside on September 18, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
A couple of fairly serious allegations in there.
I dunno what Peter Leahy does for a living, but I'm sure he has female colleagues.
Now we're getting into legal territory.

What in there is serious?

This won't go legal. The statements aren't clearly defamatory really and even if they were, they can be argued as truth. Leahy should have enough between the ears to stay well away from a solicitors office.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Mourne Red on September 18, 2018, 01:21:19 PM
A couple of fairly serious allegations in there.
I dunno what Peter Leahy does for a living, but I'm sure he has female colleagues.
Now we're getting into legal territory.

What in there is serious?

This won't go legal. The statements aren't clearly defamatory really and even if they were, they can be argued as truth. Leahy should have enough between the ears to stay well away from a solicitors office.

For all the giving of about equality and gender pay gap etc - The statement from Tierney if factual its not as if this doesn't go on in Mens club or county teams? Had disagreements and arguments with managers myself and been subbed off early or made last sub, get the head down and work.. Hardly mental health issues.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"The conversation ended that night, but I swore driving home from training that night that I wouldn't be in a one-on-one situation with him again unless the liaison officer was there. I felt totally intimidated."


Forget about football and imagine this was an employee talking about the line manager in her place of work.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Mourne Red on September 18, 2018, 01:25:09 PM
"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"The conversation ended that night, but I swore driving home from training that night that I wouldn't be in a one-on-one situation with him again unless the liaison officer was there. I felt totally intimidated."


Forget about football and imagine this was an employee talking about the line manager in her place of work.

Liason officer was never contacted about this though was she? Easy to twist it round, notice physically aggressive wasn't used, they are picking and choosing their words very carefully
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 18, 2018, 01:30:42 PM
It reads like a simple enough personality clash between the captain and the manager really whch would not be uncommon in GAA circles. In fact she comes across as someone with a lot to say for herself towards management about training and tactics and no doubt selection as well. You can see how this would begin to grate on management after a while. And vice versa.

They could have just said at the very beginning that they don't like the manager and his methods and been done with it without insinuating at more sinister things going on.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 18, 2018, 01:35:16 PM
Mayo LGFA statement:

http://www.the42.ie/mayo-lgfa-statement-peter-leahy-carnacon-4241606-Sep2018/
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 18, 2018, 01:40:14 PM
Is Serena Williams managing the PR for the 12.
but the problem is, the likes of OTB (who I have now lost total respect for) will no more do proper research into this than jimmy sloyan does into his theories
The soundbites will win and matterafuck about doing some research.
Stopped listening to OTB when they  started having a bookie from boylesports do segements. Get up the yard.

Leon from Blanch?
The very man....always reminds me of Wayne’s world, used to be cool and then get a corporate takeover and a weekly segment by Noah Vanderhoff....not cool man.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Newbridge Exile on September 18, 2018, 01:45:10 PM
"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"The conversation ended that night, but I swore driving home from training that night that I wouldn't be in a one-on-one situation with him again unless the liaison officer was there. I felt totally intimidated."


Forget about football and imagine this was an employee talking about the line manager in her place of work.

Liason officer was never contacted about this though was she? Easy to twist it round, notice physically aggressive wasn't used, they are picking and choosing their words very carefully
That's what sticks out to me, why the Liaison officer apparently was not told of these issues
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: haranguerer on September 18, 2018, 01:48:59 PM
A couple of fairly serious allegations in there.
I dunno what Peter Leahy does for a living, but I'm sure he has female colleagues.
Now we're getting into legal territory.

What in there is serious?

This won't go legal. The statements aren't clearly defamatory really and even if they were, they can be argued as truth. Leahy should have enough between the ears to stay well away from a solicitors office.

You're right on all counts.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: five points on September 18, 2018, 01:53:27 PM



This won't go legal. The statements aren't clearly defamatory really and even if they were, they can be argued as truth. Leahy should have enough between the ears to stay well away from a solicitors office.

The burden in a defamation case though is on the accuser to prove the truth of the remarks, which is quite a tall order.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 18, 2018, 02:01:16 PM
At this stage Mayo county board should make no further statement, have no further dealings with these rebels and let them feck off with themselves. There is nothing of substance clearly in any of this. These girls are obviously used to calling the shots which Leahy was unwilling to let happen. Let Mayo proceed with girls who are committed. No one should be bigger than the team.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 02:02:52 PM
Are ye serious?

Traditionally in Ireland, defamation was the publication of a false statement which caused a person to be subject to ridicule or contempt, which in turn often lead to a claim for defamation damages by the injured party.

That definition has given way to a more modern one, and now a claim for defamation in Ireland, can arise through a statement which tends to lower the reputation, or which creates a negative image of the subject in the eyes of right-thinking people.

https://www.defamationireland.com/ (https://www.defamationireland.com/)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: TomDoodle on September 18, 2018, 02:05:24 PM
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That's what sticks out to me, why the Liaison officer apparently was not told of these issues

Reason why they never went to Liaison officer was there were no substantive issues. They have tried and dismally failed to conjure up some spurious issues in the meantime but the truth is pretty evident to anyone who has paid any attention to the issue.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 18, 2018, 02:06:15 PM
At this stage Mayo county board should make no further statement, have no further dealings with these rebels and let them feck off with themselves. There is nothing of substance clearly in any of this. These girls are obviously used to calling the shots which Leahy was unwilling to let happen. Let Mayo proceed with girls who are committed. No one should be bigger than the team.

Spot on. Mayo LGFA and Leahy himself should just leave it lie now. Don't fuel it any further and it will die. The players who left are outside the fence looking in now. Mayo and Leahy will carry on preparing for 2019.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: rosnarun on September 18, 2018, 02:14:00 PM
At this stage Mayo county board should make no further statement, have no further dealings with these rebels and let them feck off with themselves. There is nothing of substance clearly in any of this. These girls are obviously used to calling the shots which Leahy was unwilling to let happen. Let Mayo proceed with girls who are committed. No one should be bigger than the team.

Spot on. Mayo LGFA and Leahy himself should just leave it lie now. Don't fuel it any further and it will die. The players who left are outside the fence looking in now. Mayo and Leahy will carry on preparing for 2019.
And leave the Mayo team without players from possible the best club in the country ?
there is going to have to be proper negotiation when tempers cool.
Cora and some of the others are pushing on but a lotof this carancon Crew are you and it would be a shame if this blighted their careers m
Maybe they will just sit out leahys term
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 18, 2018, 02:21:08 PM
At this stage Mayo county board should make no further statement, have no further dealings with these rebels and let them feck off with themselves. There is nothing of substance clearly in any of this. These girls are obviously used to calling the shots which Leahy was unwilling to let happen. Let Mayo proceed with girls who are committed. No one should be bigger than the team.

Spot on. Mayo LGFA and Leahy himself should just leave it lie now. Don't fuel it any further and it will die. The players who left are outside the fence looking in now. Mayo and Leahy will carry on preparing for 2019.
And leave the Mayo team without players from possible the best club in the country ?
there is going to have to be proper negotiation when tempers cool.
Cora and some of the others are pushing on but a lotof this carancon Crew are you and it would be a shame if this blighted their careers m
Maybe they will just sit out leahys term

The players left voluntarily. If they want to come back then they will contact the management team. Until then or in the absence of that happening the best thing Leahy and Mayo LGFA can do is just carry on. Mayo won't be winning the 2019 all-Ireland with or without those players.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: tippabu on September 18, 2018, 02:54:18 PM
At this stage Mayo county board should make no further statement, have no further dealings with these rebels and let them feck off with themselves. There is nothing of substance clearly in any of this. These girls are obviously used to calling the shots which Leahy was unwilling to let happen. Let Mayo proceed with girls who are committed. No one should be bigger than the team.

Spot on. Mayo LGFA and Leahy himself should just leave it lie now. Don't fuel it any further and it will die. The players who left are outside the fence looking in now. Mayo and Leahy will carry on preparing for 2019.
And leave the Mayo team without players from possible the best club in the country ?
there is going to have to be proper negotiation when tempers cool.
Cora and some of the others are pushing on but a lotof this carancon Crew are you and it would be a shame if this blighted their careers m
Maybe they will just sit out leahys term

The players left voluntarily. If they want to come back then they will contact the management team. Until then or in the absence of that happening the best thing Leahy and Mayo LGFA can do is just carry on. Mayo won't be winning the 2019 all-Ireland with or without those players.

Mayo LGFA can't let this lie though. They took the decision to throw carnacon out of the mayo championship and were heavily backed by the club's. All of this needs resolving too
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: TomDoodle on September 18, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
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Quote from: shark on Today at 02:21:08 PM
Quote from: rosnarun on Today at 02:14:00 PM
Quote from: shark on Today at 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: Itchy on Today at 02:01:16 PM
At this stage Mayo county board should make no further statement, have no further dealings with these rebels and let them feck off with themselves. There is nothing of substance clearly in any of this. These girls are obviously used to calling the shots which Leahy was unwilling to let happen. Let Mayo proceed with girls who are committed. No one should be bigger than the team.

Spot on. Mayo LGFA and Leahy himself should just leave it lie now. Don't fuel it any further and it will die. The players who left are outside the fence looking in now. Mayo and Leahy will carry on preparing for 2019.
And leave the Mayo team without players from possible the best club in the country ?
there is going to have to be proper negotiation when tempers cool.
Cora and some of the others are pushing on but a lotof this carancon Crew are you and it would be a shame if this blighted their careers m
Maybe they will just sit out leahys term

The players left voluntarily. If they want to come back then they will contact the management team. Until then or in the absence of that happening the best thing Leahy and Mayo LGFA can do is just carry on. Mayo won't be winning the 2019 all-Ireland with or without those players.

Mayo LGFA can't let this lie though. They took the decision to throw carnacon out of the mayo championship and were heavily backed by the club's. All of this needs resolving too

Just to clarify, the motion to throw Carnacon out of the Championship came from a club delegate, not from the County Board.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 18, 2018, 03:03:56 PM
At this stage Mayo county board should make no further statement, have no further dealings with these rebels and let them feck off with themselves. There is nothing of substance clearly in any of this. These girls are obviously used to calling the shots which Leahy was unwilling to let happen. Let Mayo proceed with girls who are committed. No one should be bigger than the team.

Spot on. Mayo LGFA and Leahy himself should just leave it lie now. Don't fuel it any further and it will die. The players who left are outside the fence looking in now. Mayo and Leahy will carry on preparing for 2019.
And leave the Mayo team without players from possible the best club in the country ?
there is going to have to be proper negotiation when tempers cool.
Cora and some of the others are pushing on but a lotof this carancon Crew are you and it would be a shame if this blighted their careers m
Maybe they will just sit out leahys term

The players left voluntarily. If they want to come back then they will contact the management team. Until then or in the absence of that happening the best thing Leahy and Mayo LGFA can do is just carry on. Mayo won't be winning the 2019 all-Ireland with or without those players.

Mayo LGFA can't let this lie though. They took the decision to throw carnacon out of the mayo championship and were heavily backed by the club's. All of this needs resolving too
They did, the Connacht council said let them back in, Mayo LGFA are appealing that decision. If the Connacht council reject the appeal they will probably go to HQ. If HQ say Carnacon cant be thrown out then they are back in.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 18, 2018, 03:24:35 PM
Is it just me or is there something a bit creepy about the way so many female football teams are managed by middle aged men who if they were so hot on the management front would be taking male teams at a similar level? 

Also the sight of a middle aged man running on to Croke Park and lunging at every young woman on his way out to hug them is a bit difficult to view in the age in which we are living. 

Where are the women capable of managing these county teams? Why are so many middle aged men involved with LFGA teams?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Franko on September 18, 2018, 03:26:43 PM
Is it just me or is there something a bit creepy about the way so many female football teams are managed by middle aged men who if they were so hot on the management front would be taking male teams at a similar level? 

Also the sight of a middle aged man running on to Croke Park and lunging at every young woman on his way out to hug them is a bit difficult to view in the age in which we are living. 

Where are the women capable of managing these county teams? Why are so many middle aged men involved with LFGA teams?

If you can't watch a middle aged man hug a 20/30 something woman without feeling uncomfortable then yes, it's just you.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: seafoid on September 18, 2018, 03:36:48 PM
Was there nobody in the co board who could put a bit of smacht on the situation before it blew up? It sounds completely polarised now.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 18, 2018, 03:37:38 PM
Is it just me or is there something a bit creepy about the way so many female football teams are managed by middle aged men who if they were so hot on the management front would be taking male teams at a similar level? 

Also the sight of a middle aged man running on to Croke Park and lunging at every young woman on his way out to hug them is a bit difficult to view in the age in which we are living. 

Where are the women capable of managing these county teams? Why are so many middle aged men involved with LFGA teams?

If you can't watch a middle aged man hug a 20/30 something woman without feeling uncomfortable then yes, it's just you.

He didn't stop with the first he met. Haven't seen many winning managers of mens' teams doing the same.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 18, 2018, 03:41:59 PM
Is it just me or is there something a bit creepy about the way so many female football teams are managed by middle aged men who if they were so hot on the management front would be taking male teams at a similar level

Also the sight of a middle aged man running on to Croke Park and lunging at every young woman on his way out to hug them is a bit difficult to view in the age in which we are living. 

Where are the women capable of managing these county teams? Why are so many middle aged men involved with LFGA teams?

Bohan has been involved with the Dublin and Clare senior footballers. Has an excellent reputation in the men's game. Likewise Fitzgerald, who has been Nemo Rangers manager. Leahy has managed Westmeath minors and senior clubs in Westmeath and Offaly. McEnaney has been involved with Monaghan ladies having previously managed Monaghan and Meath.

Ladies intercounty football has only in recent years reached a level where it could be any way compared to men's senior club football in terms of team preparation. The first wave of players who have been exposed to this are only finishing their playing days now. Maybe they will get involved in coaching and managing. I suspect many will.

I think the other stuff is all in your head.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: rosnarun on September 18, 2018, 03:43:30 PM
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At this stage Mayo county board should make no further statement, have no further dealings with these rebels and let them feck off with themselves. There is nothing of substance clearly in any of this. These girls are obviously used to calling the shots which Leahy was unwilling to let happen. Let Mayo proceed with girls who are committed. No one should be bigger than the team.

Spot on. Mayo LGFA and Leahy himself should just leave it lie now. Don't fuel it any further and it will die. The players who left are outside the fence looking in now. Mayo and Leahy will carry on preparing for 2019.
And leave the Mayo team without players from possible the best club in the country ?
there is going to have to be proper negotiation when tempers cool.
Cora and some of the others are pushing on but a lotof this carancon Crew are you and it would be a shame if this blighted their careers m
Maybe they will just sit out leahys term

The players left voluntarily. If they want to come back then they will contact the management team. Until then or in the absence of that happening the best thing Leahy and Mayo LGFA can do is just carry on. Mayo won't be winning the 2019 all-Ireland with or without those players.

Mayo LGFA can't let this lie though. They took the decision to throw carnacon out of the mayo championship and were heavily backed by the club's. All of this needs resolving too

Just to clarify, the motion to throw Carnacon out of the Championship came from a club delegate, not from the County Board.
its cabinet responsibility once the motion was passed it becomes county board policy  that why the government  cabinet have strict confidentially  on these things, to avoid some one being thrown under a bus if a policy become unpopular .

does anyone know the exact grounds for canacon appeal being granted?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 18, 2018, 03:44:27 PM
Is it just me or is there something a bit creepy about the way so many female football teams are managed by middle aged men who if they were so hot on the management front would be taking male teams at a similar level? 

Also the sight of a middle aged man running on to Croke Park and lunging at every young woman on his way out to hug them is a bit difficult to view in the age in which we are living. 

Where are the women capable of managing these county teams? Why are so many middle aged men involved with LFGA teams?

This is a sad indictment of the world we live in.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: TomDoodle on September 18, 2018, 03:45:19 PM
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Was there nobody in the co board who could put a bit of smacht on the situation before it blew up? It sounds completely polarised now.

Been developing for a long time. Certain parties were allowed excessive influence under previous management and when Leahy tried to bring them to heel (quite rightly) they reacted just like indulged children and threw the toys out of the pram. Was only a matter of time.

Interesting article from C Parkinson, pointing out how it would have been deeply insulting to the manager for her to suggest he bring in somebody to sort out defensive issues. Leahy would have rightly interpreted this as a senior player trying to call the shots and he was determined to stamp that out. https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/colm-parkinson-mayo-177662?utm_content=bufferfe711&utm_medium=Social+organic&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 04:09:08 PM
This has played out exactly as I expected it to.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: highorlow on September 18, 2018, 04:21:20 PM
Just as well these wummin don't have to deal with Roy Keane.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 04:38:38 PM
They weren’t happy with how the management treated them (Rightly or wrongly can be debated forever) and they left.

That should have been the end of it.

For me, this all kicked off when they were banned from playing club championship. I still think that was a silly decision and I also think it was brought about due to the club being disliked by other clubs in Mayo.
The rest of these discussions should have been held behind closed doors.
Banning them from club championship got their backs up, brought the media attention to it and caused it to descend into shite.

Handled very badly.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on September 18, 2018, 04:39:21 PM
Im gonna start a new team, Snowflake Gac, I predict in a few years ill have numbers to rival the mighty Dubs

If the bad manager ever used not nice words against you, come join us
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 18, 2018, 04:40:06 PM
Is it just me or is there something a bit creepy about the way so many female football teams are managed by middle aged men who if they were so hot on the management front would be taking male teams at a similar level? 

Also the sight of a middle aged man running on to Croke Park and lunging at every young woman on his way out to hug them is a bit difficult to view in the age in which we are living. 

Where are the women capable of managing these county teams? Why are so many middle aged men involved with LFGA teams?

If you can't watch a middle aged man hug a 20/30 something woman without feeling uncomfortable then yes, it's just you.

Why are so many middle aged men involved with Male teams? Because they are no longer able to play the game and want to be still involved in some form or other.

Women usually retire from football in their late 20's. Marriage and Family takes over like it or not. That's not a sexist remark, it reality.

As for the affection in celebration, you are just getting too deep!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 04:41:15 PM
Im gonna start a new team, Snowflake Gac, I predict in a few years ill have numbers to rival the mighty Dubs

If the bad manager ever used not nice words against you, come join us
That’s all well and good but all they did was remove themselves from the team. The rest only followed when they were punished for it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: johnnycool on September 18, 2018, 04:43:15 PM
They weren’t happy with how the management treated them (Rightly or wrongly can be debated forever) and they left.

That should have been the end of it.

For me, this all kicked off when they were banned from playing club championship. I still think that was a silly decision and I also think it was brought about due to the club being disliked by other clubs in Mayo.
The rest of these discussions should have been held behind closed doors.
Banning them from club championship got their backs up, brought the media attention to it and caused it to descend into shite.

Handled very badly.

I think the initial reason they gave for walking away didn't reflect well on the management as they left everything hanging with some sort of wishy washy statement about it'll all come out later.

Mayo LGFA had to do something to change the narrative, but chose the nuclear option. Not good either.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 04:46:05 PM
They weren’t happy with how the management treated them (Rightly or wrongly can be debated forever) and they left.

That should have been the end of it.

For me, this all kicked off when they were banned from playing club championship. I still think that was a silly decision and I also think it was brought about due to the club being disliked by other clubs in Mayo.
The rest of these discussions should have been held behind closed doors.
Banning them from club championship got their backs up, brought the media attention to it and caused it to descend into shite.

Handled very badly.

I think the initial reason they gave for walking away didn't reflect well on the management as they left everything hanging with some sort of wishy washy statement about it'll all come out later.

Mayo LGFA had to do something to change the narrative, but chose the nuclear option. Not good either.
Yes, an internal review is what should have happened and a joint statement when it was resolved.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 18, 2018, 04:48:21 PM
They weren’t happy with how the management treated them (Rightly or wrongly can be debated forever) and they left.

That should have been the end of it.

For me, this all kicked off when they were banned from playing club championship. I still think that was a silly decision and I also think it was brought about due to the club being disliked by other clubs in Mayo.
The rest of these discussions should have been held behind closed doors.
Banning them from club championship got their backs up, brought the media attention to it and caused it to descend into shite.

Handled very badly.

For once you are right ''Handled very badly'' by Carnacon. Pulling eight -the guts of half a team of players mid championship can not be tolerated.

Two players ''Feelings'' were hurt because they were told their roles were lesser for the season ahead! They in turn decided to bully the situation by getting 6 other players to pull ship and getting their secretary to relay this message to the county board. Can you imagine the same thing happening in the Mens game? If the Mayo Ladies board don't make an example of this who is to stop this happening again?

There has to be serious consequences for serious actions?

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 04:52:34 PM
You say that is the case. They clearly don’t.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 18, 2018, 04:59:17 PM
I'm going to say I'm not suggesting anything, and this has no relevance to the conversation, it doesn't but its difficult to ask this question and not be accused of insinuating something. I'm not but am curious, so will ask it anyway,  is this the same Peter Leahy does anyone know?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/auctioneer-who-got-80000-in-scam-jailed-25952391.html   
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 18, 2018, 05:02:19 PM
I'm going to say I'm not suggesting anything, and this has no relevance to the conversation, it doesn't but its difficult to ask this question and not be accused of insinuating something. I'm not but am curious, so will ask it anyway,  is this the same Peter Leahy does anyone know?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/auctioneer-who-got-80000-in-scam-jailed-25952391.html

It is. But as you say, has no relevance to this thread.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: screenexile on September 18, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
Do Mayo ladies nominate their captain from the previous years County Champions??

Always thought it a ridiculous system and surely hasn't helped Mayo's situation this year when the manager has a player foisted upon him as Captain who he doesn't really want to play!!!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 18, 2018, 05:48:40 PM
I'm going to say I'm not suggesting anything, and this has no relevance to the conversation, it doesn't but its difficult to ask this question and not be accused of insinuating something. I'm not but am curious, so will ask it anyway,  is this the same Peter Leahy does anyone know?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/auctioneer-who-got-80000-in-scam-jailed-25952391.html

It is. But as you say, has no relevance to this thread.

Nothing wrong with going to jail,  if on the other hand he was an auctioneer !!!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 06:02:43 PM
The manager comes off as a bit of a bully.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 06:06:29 PM
Do Mayo ladies nominate their captain from the previous years County Champions??

Always thought it a ridiculous system and surely hasn't helped Mayo's situation this year when the manager has a player foisted upon him as Captain who he doesn't really want to play!!!
No. The captain was not from Carnacon.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: TomDoodle on September 18, 2018, 06:59:40 PM
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The manager comes off as a bit of a bully.
On the contrary, he came across as very measured and professional in a long interview with C Parkinson. This guy is training a senior inter-county Mayo outfit with aspirations of winning an All Ireland - he's not training the Ballymagash u-12s. Its his job to give it to players straight, for the benefit of the players themselves and the team as a whole. If certain players can't handle criticism because they haven't had it in the past that's an issue for them.
Isn't it interesting that it's the most senior players, grown women in their 30s, who seem to have issues with Leahy? People will say that young girls have walked away too, but it's pretty obvious that as Carnacon players they had no other option. The remaining girls on the panel, who are younger in the main, have absolutely no issue with management and have stated that categorically.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 07:21:41 PM
By the same token, if the players feel intimidated by the way he is delivering his criticism, they are fully entitled to tell him to shove it up his hole and opt out without the county board banning them from club football.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 18, 2018, 07:42:52 PM
By the same token, if the players feel intimidated by the way he is delivering his criticism, they are fully entitled to tell him to shove it up his hole and opt out without the county board banning them from club football.

Your head is up your hole.

By the sounds of it, any team you were ever in was never competitive enough to give off to each other for not coming up to standard.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 07:43:21 PM
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The manager comes off as a bit of a bully.
On the contrary, he came across as very measured and professional in a long interview with C Parkinson. This guy is training a senior inter-county Mayo outfit with aspirations of winning an All Ireland - he's not training the Ballymagash u-12s. Its his job to give it to players straight, for the benefit of the players themselves and the team as a whole. If certain players can't handle criticism because they haven't had it in the past that's an issue for them.
Isn't it interesting that it's the most senior players, grown women in their 30s, who seem to have issues with Leahy? People will say that young girls have walked away too, but it's pretty obvious that as Carnacon players they had no other option. The remaining girls on the panel, who are younger in the main, have absolutely no issue with management and have stated that categorically.

Plenty of bullies and other forms of lowlifes can come across well in interviews. That tells us nothing. His actions towards some players on the Mayo panel tells us he's a bully. Maybe he decided to pick only on a certain few. He took delight in making a player cry! The phone calls and the roaring in one to one meetings doesn't paint a pretty picture. Now knowing his past history, painting him as a saint is futile.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 07:48:29 PM
This is not giving off to each other, this is a form of bullying. It can't be denied, he was on a power trip and took delight in it.



"He basically said he didn't give a "f**k" about how many All Stars I had or what name I had made for myself in football. He was the manager and what he said goes this year."

"I knew what was coming. I was brought away from all players and all of management. It was like a personal attack that evening, I can only describe it as I've never felt so intimidated in my entire life.

"He told me I was getting absolutely roasted at training, that I was performing absolutely shite, that the reason I was distracted the previous night at training was because I was so caught up with going to him with this suggestion of bringing this guest player in.

"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"Peter had mistreated this player, excluded her from the team that evening and treated her really badly. Me and Denise were consoling her and Denise was apologising to this player.

"She was told she wasn't selected on the team that night on purpose and that she wasn't going to make the Connacht final squad. Two weeks beforehand to tell this to a player is not acceptable.

"While me and Denise were consoling this other player, the manager was upstairs having a laugh and joke with another girl who was good friends with the girl who was upset and saying 'oh you'll have a fun journey home tonight.'

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 07:50:42 PM
By the same token, if the players feel intimidated by the way he is delivering his criticism, they are fully entitled to tell him to shove it up his hole and opt out without the county board banning them from club football.

Your head is up your hole.

By the sounds of it, any team you were ever in was never competitive enough to give off to each other for not coming up to standard.
Please stop personally attacking me.
It seems to me that these players were not used to being spoken to in the way he spoke to them. Now, we can all say “I’ve heard worse” or “It’s not that bad” or “They need to suck it up”. The fact is they don’t have to suck it up and as the saying goes “if they don’t like it they know where the door is”. Well, they decided to go out the door. It’s their choice.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Itchy on September 18, 2018, 07:55:57 PM
This is not giving off to each other, this is a form of bullying. It can't be denied, he was on a power trip and took delight in it.



"He basically said he didn't give a "f**k" about how many All Stars I had or what name I had made for myself in football. He was the manager and what he said goes this year."

"I knew what was coming. I was brought away from all players and all of management. It was like a personal attack that evening, I can only describe it as I've never felt so intimidated in my entire life.

"He told me I was getting absolutely roasted at training, that I was performing absolutely shite, that the reason I was distracted the previous night at training was because I was so caught up with going to him with this suggestion of bringing this guest player in.

"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"Peter had mistreated this player, excluded her from the team that evening and treated her really badly. Me and Denise were consoling her and Denise was apologising to this player.

"She was told she wasn't selected on the team that night on purpose and that she wasn't going to make the Connacht final squad. Two weeks beforehand to tell this to a player is not acceptable.

"While me and Denise were consoling this other player, the manager was upstairs having a laugh and joke with another girl who was good friends with the girl who was upset and saying 'oh you'll have a fun journey home tonight.'

Nope, not bullying unless you are an over sensitive little princess. Its elite sports, no room for pandering. Stuff needs to be said and people need feedback. If you cant take feedback you would be better doing something else with your time.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 07:57:42 PM
This is not giving off to each other, this is a form of bullying. It can't be denied, he was on a power trip and took delight in it.



"He basically said he didn't give a "f**k" about how many All Stars I had or what name I had made for myself in football. He was the manager and what he said goes this year."

"I knew what was coming. I was brought away from all players and all of management. It was like a personal attack that evening, I can only describe it as I've never felt so intimidated in my entire life.

"He told me I was getting absolutely roasted at training, that I was performing absolutely shite, that the reason I was distracted the previous night at training was because I was so caught up with going to him with this suggestion of bringing this guest player in.

"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"Peter had mistreated this player, excluded her from the team that evening and treated her really badly. Me and Denise were consoling her and Denise was apologising to this player.

"She was told she wasn't selected on the team that night on purpose and that she wasn't going to make the Connacht final squad. Two weeks beforehand to tell this to a player is not acceptable.

"While me and Denise were consoling this other player, the manager was upstairs having a laugh and joke with another girl who was good friends with the girl who was upset and saying 'oh you'll have a fun journey home tonight.'

Nope, not bullying unless you are an over sensitive little princess. Its elite sports, no room for pandering. Stuff needs to be said and people need feedback. If you cant take feedback you would be better doing something else with your time.
THEY FECKIN DID!

And got banned for it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 18, 2018, 08:02:21 PM
By the same token, if the players feel intimidated by the way he is delivering his criticism, they are fully entitled to tell him to shove it up his hole and opt out without the county board banning them from club football.

Your head is up your hole.

By the sounds of it, any team you were ever in was never competitive enough to give off to each other for not coming up to standard.
Please stop personally attacking me.
It seems to me that these players were not used to being spoken to in the way he spoke to them. Now, we can all say “I’ve heard worse” or “It’s not that bad” or “They need to suck it up”. The fact is they don’t have to suck it up and as the saying goes “if they don’t like it they know where the door is”. Well, they decided to go out the door. It’s their choice.

No the club withdrew them.

Really unimpressed with Sarah Tierney. So a player is cut from a county panel. S**t happens. It's happened before and will happen again. I doubt the manager took pleasure in it and I doubt that was what he as allegedly laughing at and even then it was nowhere near the girl in question.

Imagine telling a manager you want to bring in a coach to sort out the defending. You might as well tell him he's shit at his job. Go tell your boss tomorrow you want to bring a consultant as you think he/she isn't up to it. She's lucky she wasn't kicked off the panel that night.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 08:05:31 PM
The club withdrawing them seems a bit of a red herring.
The club appears to have been little more than the message boy in this. Those players were clearly the ones who had the issue and they were the ones who walked out.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 08:20:26 PM
Listened to Sarah Tierney.
Seems like at the core of all this is a personal issue between her and Leahy, with two of them in it.
Not impressed by her trying to drag other players into it to make it sound like there was a systemic issue though.
A player was crying in the car park because she was dropped.
Understandable she'd be upset, but women (and I should be on safe enough ground here) tend to cry a bit more than men do.
So I don't think that's particularly noteworthy.
I don't think she was 'mistreated'.
We've probably all been that soldier at some stage.
To be honest, if they were a bit more restrained in the language they've used, they'd have a lot more sympathy.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 18, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
Mayo County secretary came across well on OTB I thought. He was definitely asked tougher questions (albeit nothing you wouldn't expect) than Cora got though
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 18, 2018, 08:29:39 PM
Anyone see the Cora documentary on TG4 the last night. Thought the way the GWS Giants manager communicated with her was interesting, very pally basically. I'd say the complete opposite of Leahy when she came back, doubt it sat well..
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 08:30:34 PM
Am I right in saying Sarah Tierney received no punishment in all of this?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 08:32:05 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 08:40:29 PM
Nope, I’m not right or nope, she hasn’t?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 08:46:09 PM
Sorry, she hasn't.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: ballinaman on September 18, 2018, 08:57:28 PM
@moefitzpatrick great tweet there, spot on in my opinion.

“Mayo ladies saying their unhappiness with manager affected their mental health is an example of the dangerous blurred line between the emotion of depression and the illness.
I'm sure everyone feels depressed at times. Confusing that with the illness is irresponsible and ignorant”
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 09:02:44 PM
Off The Ball
 
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"That's the first time we've heard this" - Mayo Ladies county secretary Kevin McDonnell confirmed to us this evening that he had not heard Sarah Tierney's statement from last night, despite the board releasing a statement on it this afternoon.

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1042138052817313793 (https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1042138052817313793)

This is pathetic from OTB.
I listened to the interview live and McDonnell was clearly referring to the fact that Tierney hadn't attended a previous meeting between the Co. Board & the disaffected players, and the first he heard of her specific allegations was in the players' statement, i.e. 'mental health' etc.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 09:05:26 PM
I wouldn’t be very well read up on it to be honest. I would have thought there could be an effect on a person’s mental health without them having a mental illness.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 18, 2018, 09:09:46 PM
This is not giving off to each other, this is a form of bullying. It can't be denied, he was on a power trip and took delight in it.



"He basically said he didn't give a "f**k" about how many All Stars I had or what name I had made for myself in football. He was the manager and what he said goes this year."

"I knew what was coming. I was brought away from all players and all of management. It was like a personal attack that evening, I can only describe it as I've never felt so intimidated in my entire life.

"He told me I was getting absolutely roasted at training, that I was performing absolutely shite, that the reason I was distracted the previous night at training was because I was so caught up with going to him with this suggestion of bringing this guest player in.

"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"Peter had mistreated this player, excluded her from the team that evening and treated her really badly. Me and Denise were consoling her and Denise was apologising to this player.

"She was told she wasn't selected on the team that night on purpose and that she wasn't going to make the Connacht final squad. Two weeks beforehand to tell this to a player is not acceptable.

"While me and Denise were consoling this other player, the manager was upstairs having a laugh and joke with another girl who was good friends with the girl who was upset and saying 'oh you'll have a fun journey home tonight.'

Nope, not bullying unless you are an over sensitive little princess. Its elite sports, no room for pandering. Stuff needs to be said and people need feedback. If you cant take feedback you would be better doing something else with your time.
THEY FECKIN DID!

And got banned for it.

What about the players welfare officer and this top of the range mediator? How come none of this came out then? This should have been sorted behind closed doors. CS taking to the airwaves blew this up. PL had to defend some of the allegations, as any of us would do. Both parties should keep the mediation going, but no, the media is awash with more from the players who left the squad today. Wasn't 1 but surprised to find out the selector speaking at the press conference was a Carnacon member. Its not pretty and a template for how not to own and sort a major issue.

And priceyreilly, the journal.ie section is missing you
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 18, 2018, 09:16:31 PM
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 09:18:11 PM
The ban made this a story IMO.
I’m also convinced it was borne out of begrudgery by club delegates who couldn’t wait to nail Carnacon to the mast. They came out fighting and we are where we are.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 18, 2018, 09:26:10 PM
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: hardstation on September 18, 2018, 09:28:33 PM
Except Sarah Tierney of course. She walked away and got no ban.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 09:30:43 PM
When this story first broke it was meant to be all about Cora Staunton not being able to handle being dropped. It turns out that was false and it's clear now that the issue for most posters here and elsewhere has nothing much to do with these players or anything to do with Mayo GAA. They see it as a chance to have a go at women or feminism as they call it. It's really quite pathetic.
The manager is clearly not up to the job. Bullying players and taking joy in making them cry is not a description of a good manager. The players don't deserve to be treated like dirt. The manager also has a fairly questionable past so you can see why the players would feel intimidated when he's roaring at them in one to one meetings.
The majority have said that Roy Keane was out of line having a go at some Irish players and Arter was right to drop out of the squad. It's clear the issue here is that it's women involved and as I said, some men feel intimidated by the feminist movement. It's pretty weird but there you go.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 09:36:43 PM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 18, 2018, 09:36:54 PM
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away

But he has alienated half the panel. That's a massive management failure by any standards, as is Mayo's championship performance this year compared to last year when Leahy was not the manager. Clearly the best players were not on the pitch after the walkout by the 12 players. It's his job to put the best team on the pitch and he completely failed to do that.

By attempting to stay in the job, he's only making things worse for both himself and Mayo football.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 18, 2018, 09:38:30 PM

Malachy Clerkin IT


On all the available evidence, the nub of the issue in the Mayo women’s football row appears to be that Peter Leahy probably isn’t much of a manager. All the best practice in running sports teams these days talks about a player-centred approach, facilitation, enabling players to express the best of themselves, all that good stuff.
By his own admission, Leahy favours a more direct way of going about the gig, an old-fashioned, frank-talking, top-down authority kind of thing. There are black and white and grey areas in all situations, but from everything we have heard, the least we can infer is that Leahy can be confrontational in his dealings with players and direct in his language around them. To put it mildly, that hasn’t yielded the desired results here.
Sarah Tierney’s account of her experience as team captain this year is precise and to the point and doesn’t paint Leahy in a flattering light. If we take it at face value – and there’s no reason not to – Leahy is a manager who doesn’t entertain questioning of his methods or even just suggestions by his captain as to the best way forward.
Dealing with these situations in an aggressive manner went a long way to alienating Tierney, who was an All Star defender, a strong voice in the dressing room and one of the linchpins of his team. We can he-said-she-said the situation from here to eternity, but that’s not good management.
Not a crime
This matters and it doesn’t matter. There is, after all, no crime in being a sub-par manager. Leahy is entirely within his rights to go about the Mayo job any way he sees fit. If players don’t like it, they’re free to walk away – as they have in this case. It’s then up to him to decide whether or not he’s part of the problem. He clearly doesn’t think so – again, that’s his right and his prerogative
Ordinarily, that would be that. In all truth, there’s really nothing wildly interesting in a group of players falling out with their manager. Eventually, either the manager leaves or the county board brokers some middle ground and everyone gets on with their lives. What makes this situation different is the fatal misstep first taken by Cora Staunton in her Newstalk interview and then doubled down on by the players on Monday night.
Saying there are issues around player welfare is one thing. Calling life under Peter Leahy “not a safe environment” and “unhealthy” moves everything on to a different level altogether. The Mayo LGFA was right to call that sort of language outrageous in Tuesday’s statement. It’s just so loaded when used in the context of a male authority figure in a female dressing room.
The players themselves appeared to recognise this on Monday night and yet they still refused to retract it. “Ultimately our issues related to a lack of communication, being undermined, intimidated, feeling isolated and eventually helpless in the entire situation,” their statement read. “The whole experience had a significant impact on our mental health. We used the terms ‘unhealthy’ and ‘unsafe’ and accept, and take responsibility for, the implications of this language but for us, these are relevant terms and stepping away was the right decision.
No easy task
This is where the rubber meets the road. If the players are happy to take ownership of words such as “unhealthy” and “unsafe”, then the onus is on them to show their work. That’s not an easy task, clearly. Any environment is made up of a thousand small events, each of which feels smaller still when taken in isolation, thereby making them easier to dismiss.
In the heightened atmosphere of a losing team, personal interpretation dictates everything. At what point does a stern talking-to cross the line into verbal intimidation? How can the location of that line be obvious to both parties? How do you find black and white in a sea of grey?
Into that mix, the situation is obviously complicated by the fact that we are talking about not just player-manager relationships here but male-female interactions as well. At the heart of the matter, that’s a big part of why we’re still talking about this situation two months after the players walked out.
When people don’t know the specifics of a situation but they hear young women talking about feeling unsafe under the direction of an older man, they need clarification very quickly. If it is left vague, the connotations become intolerable as people fill in their own blanks. Little wonder Leahy used the term “close to slanderous” in response and that the Mayo board’s statement talked of them “taking advice” on the matter.

Case not proven
This is why it’s difficult to justify the players standing over words such as “unsafe” and “unhealthy”. Sarah Tierney’s account goes furthest toward providing concrete examples of the kind of thing the players had a problem with. On any reasonable reading of it, Leahy comes across as a not particularly likeable figure and the environment around the Mayo team in the early part of 2018 undeniably sounds unpleasant.
But “unsafe”? Or even the slightly watered-down “unhealthy”? Unless we’re missing something, that case is nowhere near proven on the basis of what has been said so far.
By the sounds of it, Sarah Tierney was absolutely right to walk away from a situation where her manager was at loggerheads with her as team captain and where she didn’t rate his stewardship of the side. But on what they’ve put into the public domain, it feels like quite a reach to suggest that her safety or that of her team-mates was ever in question.
Two months after the walkout, this whole situation is mired in claim and counter-claim. Unless there’s another shoe waiting to drop, it feels impossible to find a route out that doesn’t include some sort of walk-back by the players on that specific language. As of now, they haven’t done enough to stand over it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 18, 2018, 09:45:00 PM
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away

But he has alienated half the panel. That's a massive management failure by any standards, as is Mayo's championship performance this year compared to last year when Leahy was not the manager. Clearly the best players were not on the pitch after the walkout by the 12 players. It's his job to put the best team on the pitch and he completely failed to do that.

By attempting to stay in the job, he's only making things worse for both himself and Mayo football.


In what way is he making things worse?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: thebackbar1 on September 18, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away

But he has alienated half the panel. That's a massive management failure by any standards, as is Mayo's championship performance this year compared to last year when Leahy was not the manager. Clearly the best players were not on the pitch after the walkout by the 12 players. It's his job to put the best team on the pitch and he completely failed to do that.

By attempting to stay in the job, he's only making things worse for both himself and Mayo football.
Did half the panel not alienate themselves, Cora said on the documentary they wanted to set the tone in the Mayo panel because the other players hadn't won anything, a pretty toxic attitude to bring to a county panel imho.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 18, 2018, 10:15:41 PM
It's amazing how half the panel is all from the one club.

If Sarah Tierney really had such issues with the manager surely she would speak to the player liaison officer. She then doesn't/can't  take up the option to meet with the co. Board along with other panel members and doesn't look to arrange a meeting at another date. If things were that bad as captain you would think she'd have made it her business to speak to someone in authority.

As for the press conference this morning. That was nothing more than a PR stunt. How can you hold a press conference without inviting the press (except for a couple of journalists they picked themselves)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 18, 2018, 10:22:48 PM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

Sorry but for wumming to be successful it needs to be reasonably believable.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Mourne Red on September 18, 2018, 10:27:46 PM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

Ohh shut up snowflake.. noones being sexist everyone is relating it to the men’s game which is showing gender equality if anything, Everyone has issues with management and rows with them, how many people have walked out panels before, they wanted a change in manager and aren’t getting it, dummy out of pram stuff
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 18, 2018, 10:28:29 PM
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away

But he has alienated half the panel. That's a massive management failure by any standards, as is Mayo's championship performance this year compared to last year when Leahy was not the manager. Clearly the best players were not on the pitch after the walkout by the 12 players. It's his job to put the best team on the pitch and he completely failed to do that.

By attempting to stay in the job, he's only making things worse for both himself and Mayo football.


In what way is he making things worse?
Is that a serious question?  ;D
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: blast05 on September 18, 2018, 10:29:27 PM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 10:32:42 PM
Sorry but for wumming to be successful it needs to be reasonably believable.

Not wumming son, just like I wasn't wumming when I pointed out that Dublin have been bought 54 titles since 2005! You disapeared soon after that.  ;D
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: tippabu on September 18, 2018, 10:34:20 PM
FFS, lets have one thread without bringing dublin into it
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 10:36:34 PM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??

The reaction to Roy Keane shows that the same standards aren't being applied!!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 18, 2018, 10:37:21 PM
Patience, Pricey.
Patience.
You're like a child that's just downed a bag of skittles in one go.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 10:37:33 PM
FFS, lets have one thread without bringing dublin into it

Just nice to put people back in their box sometimes.  :)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 10:45:06 PM
Patience, Pricey.
Patience.
You're like a child that's just downed a bag of skittles in one go.

I've done this:



Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 18, 2018, 10:46:22 PM
It's amazing how half the panel is all from the one club.

They aren't.

High profile players from other clubs have also walked out.


Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 10:50:54 PM
This is just a case of a shockingly poor manager losing the dressing room!
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 18, 2018, 10:56:00 PM
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away

But he has alienated half the panel. That's a massive management failure by any standards, as is Mayo's championship performance this year compared to last year when Leahy was not the manager. Clearly the best players were not on the pitch after the walkout by the 12 players. It's his job to put the best team on the pitch and he completely failed to do that.

By attempting to stay in the job, he's only making things worse for both himself and Mayo football.


In what way is he making things worse?
Is that a serious question?  ;D

Yes, serious question. In what way is he making things worse?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 18, 2018, 11:00:10 PM
From RTÉ

champions Carnacon will remain in this year's Championship following an appeal which was heard at tonight's Connacht Council meeting in Ballyhaunis.

The Mayo Ladies County Board had sought to have the club removed from the Championship on the grounds that they brought the game into disrepute, after the club withdrew eight players from the Mayo county team, due to apparent player welfare issues.

The club have been fined €500 and their eight county players have each been handed a four-week suspension.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: blast05 on September 18, 2018, 11:01:58 PM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??

The reaction to Roy Keane shows that the same standards aren't being applied!!

Yes, Roy Keanes man mgmt methods leave a bit to be desired.
Equally, the commentary on Harry Arter was typically along the lines of he needs to grow up / toughen up

You can apply the same generalizations to Leahy and Tierney
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 18, 2018, 11:02:18 PM
Sorry but for wumming to be successful it needs to be reasonably believable.

Not wumming son, just like I wasn't wumming when I pointed out that Dublin have been bought 54 titles since 2005! You disapeared soon after that.  ;D

I'm not your son & can only hope we're not related. It is impressive though how you managed to have a rant at the dubs over an internal mayo matter
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Fionntamhnach on September 18, 2018, 11:13:06 PM
My €0.02 on this, if anyone cares.

Over a decade ago, I was part of the backroom team of the Tyrone senior ladies football team. Was only for a year but the team got to the All-Ireland senior championship semi-final, losing out to Mayo.

At the start of the year, it was made clear that all potential county players had to attend both trial sessions about a couple of months before the National League. If you had an acceptable excuse to not be able to get to one, fair enough - but not turning up for both meant you weren't considered, end of story. Chances were given to players from clubs at all adult grades to make the panel.
Over the course of the NFL it was rather uneventful with just one win, but it was enough to avoid relegation from Division 1.

Preparations were then made for the Ulster and All-Ireland SFCs with involved eight games in all from Donegal in the Ulster Q-Final to Mayo in the All-Ireland Semi-Final in Breffni, under lights and broadcast live on TG4.

There were issues at times during the course of the year, one concerning about coaching that was raised by players both directly with management and the liaison officer with as much as I was aware was quickly dealt with by all parties. Another was from a couple of players who felt they were too good to be on the bench - they soon left on their own accord. One player whom was on the starting 15 was having personal issues involving an ex-boyfriend harassing her that she was looking to move to the USA to get away from it but we managed to convince her to stay. We also approached two ex-county players during the championship whom were still playing at club level as we felt their experience would prove useful, one took up the call while the other wasn't able to commit.

Given what I've experienced and seen happen at county level across Ireland not only that year but before and after it, combined with what has been put in the public domain with respect to the issue at hand here, in my opinion there was a case here of the tail trying to wag the dog with a band of players whom in the past got pretty much what they wanted. And when a new face appeared to lay down their rule and actually said "no" on occasions, some didn't know how to react. This isn't exclusive to ladies football, it happens also in mens football & hurling as well in my experience at club & county level. However at county level this scenario is most vulnerable with teams where the panel is dominated by players from one or two clubs and has been the case for some time - and that is what seems to be happening here.

What exactly led to some players and a couple of the management team to walk out isn't out in the open, but it seems that the word going around the Mayo LGFA circles was enough for the club delegates to vote near unanimously to punish Carnacon as a result. I can only take from it that things must have come to a head between Carnacon and other clubs in Mayo for it to explode like this. Aside from this, the public mud slinging isn't painting anyone in a broadly positive light. I think they'll be more drama before this runs its course.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 18, 2018, 11:15:24 PM
The kindest thing you could say about Peter Leahy is that he comes across as a dinosaur.

Whatever has actually gone on here and the rights and wrongs of it, he has no business continuing in the job.

The reality is he has presided over a poor championship campaign for Mayo and more importantly alienated half the panel.

Only a pig ignorant gobshite would choose to continue in such circumstances and the Mayo board come out of this very badly too for how they set up Carnacon.

"alienated half the panel" = attempting to drop some senior players who aren't quite as good as they used to be

I agree with HS though that attempting to ban the club was a foolish option, it creates a distraction and generates undue sympathy for those who walked away

But he has alienated half the panel. That's a massive management failure by any standards, as is Mayo's championship performance this year compared to last year when Leahy was not the manager. Clearly the best players were not on the pitch after the walkout by the 12 players. It's his job to put the best team on the pitch and he completely failed to do that.

By attempting to stay in the job, he's only making things worse for both himself and Mayo football.


In what way is he making things worse?
Is that a serious question?  ;D

Yes, serious question. In what way is he making things worse?

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 11:20:49 PM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??

The reaction to Roy Keane shows that the same standards aren't being applied!!

Yes, Roy Keanes man mgmt methods leave a bit to be desired.
Equally, the commentary on Harry Arter was typically along the lines of he needs to grow up / toughen up

You can apply the same generalizations to Leahy and Tierney

Yeah, exactly! Some people are using the Mayo scenario to have a go at women/feminism though. It's clear to see.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 18, 2018, 11:23:24 PM
Sorry but for wumming to be successful it needs to be reasonably believable.

Not wumming son, just like I wasn't wumming when I pointed out that Dublin have been bought 54 titles since 2005! You disapeared soon after that.  ;D

I'm not your son & can only hope we're not related. It is impressive though how you managed to have a rant at the dubs over an internal mayo matter

Where's the rant?  ;D Just pointing out why you have issues with my posts. It's because I destroyed you with facts on the other thread. Now back to the topic at hand.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: befair on September 18, 2018, 11:24:29 PM
Was astonished to read that Mayo players get a meal after each training session; if so they are exceptionally well looked after, and the Mayo LGFA board must be exceptionally good at fund-raising. My daughter played for Down for years, and there was no such largesse
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: OffTheDeck on September 19, 2018, 12:31:33 AM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??

The reaction to Roy Keane shows that the same standards aren't being applied!!

Yes, Roy Keanes man mgmt methods leave a bit to be desired.
Equally, the commentary on Harry Arter was typically along the lines of he needs to grow up / toughen up

You can apply the same generalizations to Leahy and Tierney

Yeah, exactly! Some people are using the Mayo scenario to have a go at women/feminism though. It's clear to see.
I don’t know about having a go and hope I’m not but where does one draw the line between equal treatment and special treatment? Equality is a two way street is it not? The reason I ask is because I f this was a woman manager or a man/men’s team this issue wouldn’t even be being discussed (and let’s be honest about it, probably laughed at) Colm Parkinson hit the nail on the head, being called lazy or having a lack of commitment is absolutely not a welfare issue and is pure waffle, if you cannot take criticism then top level sport isn’t for you. These girls had a failed coup, threw the toys out of the pram, said a few things and have absolutely no decent evidence to back it up (and half a team who don’t feel the same way might I add), now the whole thing is a farce with the club being kicked out etc. (Which I’m not sure I agree with although I do think there should be some form of repercussions) I wouldn’t want them representing my county anyway so let the girls who do want to be there work away.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 07:45:37 AM
Pace yourself, Pricey.
The secret to a good wum account is subtlety.
You need to put in the hours before you get the pay-off.

I've hit the nail on the head and you know it! The only thing that's not subtle is the anti women/feminist views that are clouding people's judgement on this.

I don't think it is anti anything to ask what peoples perception of the Tierney interview would have been if that had been a bloke that was talking and with an emotion loaded voice.
The reaction / thought process for most would have been the along the lines of "FFS, will you toughen up" (with many acknowledging that the perhaps the managers approach left a bit to be desired).

Shouldn't feminism demand that we apply the same standards of judgement when its a girl ??

The reaction to Roy Keane shows that the same standards aren't being applied!!

Yes, Roy Keanes man mgmt methods leave a bit to be desired.
Equally, the commentary on Harry Arter was typically along the lines of he needs to grow up / toughen up

You can apply the same generalizations to Leahy and Tierney

Yeah, exactly! Some people are using the Mayo scenario to have a go at women/feminism though. It's clear to see.

That's as clear as mud. You've brought in the dubs/feminism into an internal row which makes no sense. Sure why not go for that trick and make it a civil rights issue. What other issues do you thing you link into this row?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: nrico2006 on September 19, 2018, 08:09:15 AM
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: haranguerer on September 19, 2018, 08:17:59 AM
This is not giving off to each other, this is a form of bullying. It can't be denied, he was on a power trip and took delight in it.



"He basically said he didn't give a "f**k" about how many All Stars I had or what name I had made for myself in football. He was the manager and what he said goes this year."

"I knew what was coming. I was brought away from all players and all of management. It was like a personal attack that evening, I can only describe it as I've never felt so intimidated in my entire life.

"He told me I was getting absolutely roasted at training, that I was performing absolutely shite, that the reason I was distracted the previous night at training was because I was so caught up with going to him with this suggestion of bringing this guest player in.

"He was doing this action - 'you're listening to the others, you're listening to the others' - and I was standing back. He was getting visibly aggressive with me at this stage. It was probably the first time I stood up to him and said 'who are these others you're referring to? I don't understand what you're on about.'

"Peter had mistreated this player, excluded her from the team that evening and treated her really badly. Me and Denise were consoling her and Denise was apologising to this player.

"She was told she wasn't selected on the team that night on purpose and that she wasn't going to make the Connacht final squad. Two weeks beforehand to tell this to a player is not acceptable.

"While me and Denise were consoling this other player, the manager was upstairs having a laugh and joke with another girl who was good friends with the girl who was upset and saying 'oh you'll have a fun journey home tonight.'

Power trip  ;D

You're having a laugh. The above is bullshit, anyone hurt by any of it needs to have a look at themselves. I would say there are a lot of people having a serious think about whether they actually want to get involved in ladies football if this is the sort of shite thats flung around.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: haranguerer on September 19, 2018, 08:18:45 AM
By the same token, if the players feel intimidated by the way he is delivering his criticism, they are fully entitled to tell him to shove it up his hole and opt out without the county board banning them from club football.

They didn't just walk out, they tried to orchestrate a mutiny. Very different things.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 19, 2018, 08:33:20 AM
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Get the facts right, they didn't try and ban 8 players they tried to ban a club as that club withdrew their players from the county team. The Connacht council have now agreed that the club was in the wrong. you should read up a bit more on this before throwing your oar in.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 19, 2018, 08:52:50 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 19, 2018, 09:00:22 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Never beat the deeler on September 19, 2018, 09:01:08 AM
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Get the facts right, they didn't try and ban 8 players they tried to ban a club as that club withdrew their players from the county team. The Connacht council have now agreed that the club was in the wrong. you should read up a bit more on this before throwing your oar in.

Was that not the result of the appeal? Quote from previous page. It's not terribly clear tbh.
From RTÉ

champions Carnacon will remain in this year's Championship following an appeal which was heard at tonight's Connacht Council meeting in Ballyhaunis.

The Mayo Ladies County Board had sought to have the club removed from the Championship on the grounds that they brought the game into disrepute, after the club withdrew eight players from the Mayo county team, due to apparent player welfare issues.

The club have been fined €500 and their eight county players have each been handed a four-week suspension.

Edit: Re-read your post and you were already aware.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: tippabu on September 19, 2018, 09:02:48 AM
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Get the facts right, they didn't try and ban 8 players they tried to ban a club as that club withdrew their players from the county team. The Connacht council have now agreed that the club was in the wrong. you should read up a bit more on this before throwing your oar in.

Carnacon reinstated, the 8 players involved now hit with a 4 week ban. Wonder how many games they'll play in that period and how strong they are without the 8 if they can still get through mayo
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 09:16:37 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.



Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 19, 2018, 09:17:27 AM
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Get the facts right, they didn't try and ban 8 players they tried to ban a club as that club withdrew their players from the county team. The Connacht council have now agreed that the club was in the wrong. you should read up a bit more on this before throwing your oar in.

Carnacon reinstated, the 8 players involved now hit with a 4 week ban. Wonder how many games they'll play in that period and how strong they are without the 8 if they can still get through mayo
Maybe the 4 weeks is already served, the club has been banned for a few weeks now.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 19, 2018, 09:22:22 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: tippabu on September 19, 2018, 09:26:46 AM
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Get the facts right, they didn't try and ban 8 players they tried to ban a club as that club withdrew their players from the county team. The Connacht council have now agreed that the club was in the wrong. you should read up a bit more on this before throwing your oar in.

Carnacon reinstated, the 8 players involved now hit with a 4 week ban. Wonder how many games they'll play in that period and how strong they are without the 8 if they can still get through mayo
Maybe the 4 weeks is already served, the club has been banned for a few weeks now.

No, they said the 4 week ban started from midnight last night.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 19, 2018, 09:33:56 AM
Has there been any word on whether Carnacon will appeal the €500 fine? On the one hand, the appeal was a big win for them but by accepting the fine, they'll be admitting they were in the wrong.

As HS pointed out, some of the players get off completely without censure


Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 09:35:14 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 09:37:48 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 19, 2018, 09:38:51 AM
Mayo are probably happy enough that PL has the drive to keep at this, can't imagine their would be too many others wanting to step into this Mayo setup. Carnacon players all from the parish or do they hoover up the best talent about? Don't know much about them tbh but they seem incredibly strong compared to the other club teams.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 19, 2018, 09:50:12 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.
Its not half, they had 26 players for the remaining games of the championship after the walkout
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 19, 2018, 09:52:18 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.

The manager always goes, cannot remember any instance in a case like this where the manager carried on.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 19, 2018, 09:53:56 AM

The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.

I presume you already know this but I'll humour you anyway. The Mayo squad in 2015 had a vote on H&C and voted overwhelmingly against him and after the vote, the entire squad stood together on the matter. That was a coup against a manager who most of the squad didn't believe was up to scratch, not a coup by a select few who only took issue when they were being dropped.

The current attempted coup is orchestrated by a small minority (less than one third) of the squad while the majority have come out in explicit support of the manager. In the opinion of two thirds of the panel:

Quote
“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.

That seems unequivocal to me and after these players standing by Leahy, imo he's 100% correct to stand by them in return.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 09:57:14 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

The evidence from other player strikes is that when the unwanted manager goes, the problems tend to dissipate, yes.

I think you'll struggle to find a manager who decided to carry on without player support and who went on to success.

Oh I doubt he'll much short term success considering he's missing a raft of players.

However, it's better for Mayo football in the long term that he at least stays another year, not to do so would be a capitulation.
The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.
Its not half, they had 26 players for the remaining games of the championship after the walkout

Were all of those 26 on the panel before the walk out? Or were some of them drafted in afterwards?

Senior mens inter-county panels don't have 38 players, I find it highly unlikely a women's panel would have 38.

Earlier on this thread it was claimed that all players who walked out were from the one club. That is false.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 10:08:55 AM

The same credibility should be attached to that statement as to somebody saying in 2015 that "Holmes and Connelly should stay for the good of Mayo football, not to do so would be a capitulation"- ie. none.

Because it's so self-evidently false.

A manager continuing without the support of half his panel cannot bring anything but harm to Mayo football, both short run and long run.

This is not the 1950s. Players expect better and rightly so.

I presume you already know this but I'll humour you anyway. The Mayo squad in 2015 had a vote on H&C and voted overwhelmingly against him and after the vote, the entire squad stood together on the matter. That was a coup against a manager who most of the squad didn't believe was up to scratch, not a coup by a select few who only took issue when they were being dropped.

The current attempted coup is orchestrated by a small minority (less than one third) of the squad while the majority have come out in explicit support of the manager. In the opinion of two thirds of the panel:

Quote
“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.

That seems unequivocal to me and after these players standing by Leahy, imo he's 100% correct to stand by them in return.
How many players were on the Mayo panel before the walkout?

How is any manager that loses so many of his panel doing a competent job?

Not even Holmes and Connelly had players walk out on them mid-championship.

Answer me this: do you think Leahy's management has been competent?

Like, examine what has happened.

Under a different manager the team reached the All-Ireland final the previous year. Under him 2018 was a total fiasco with players walking out en masse because of him.

How is that competent management?

In any other walk of life, there would be no debate - the manager would be sacked for that type of performance, and rightly so.







Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 19, 2018, 10:09:38 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 10:15:07 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Maroon Manc on September 19, 2018, 10:19:32 AM
Go and watch any game their so called star player has played in the last few years Sid; Team play was completely lost on her.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 19, 2018, 10:21:40 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 10:26:30 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 19, 2018, 10:31:16 AM
https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/ (https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/)

“We fully support our management team and as a team believe that all of their decisions and selections were made fairly after careful consideration. We had a fantastic league campaign culminating in a league final appearance in Parnell Park and while the last few months were difficult and disappointing; many new players were given an opportunity to perform at county level.

“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 10:33:42 AM
Parkinson's hypocrisy is laughable.


Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 10:37:06 AM
https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/ (https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/)

“We fully support our management team and as a team believe that all of their decisions and selections were made fairly after careful consideration. We had a fantastic league campaign culminating in a league final appearance in Parnell Park and while the last few months were difficult and disappointing; many new players were given an opportunity to perform at county level.

“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.


I'm amazed that some players feel they can speak on behalf of others who obviously do have serious issues, and claim with a straight face that there weren't issues.

Talk about airbrushing reality.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: nrico2006 on September 19, 2018, 10:39:31 AM
Surely this is far from over especially given the scandalous decision to ban 8 players for the championship.
Get the facts right, they didn't try and ban 8 players they tried to ban a club as that club withdrew their players from the county team. The Connacht council have now agreed that the club was in the wrong. you should read up a bit more on this before throwing your oar in.

Are 8 players from the club now banned for the championship?

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 19, 2018, 10:45:09 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 10:45:31 AM
Parkinson's hypocrisy is laughable.




That was before he interviewed the manager last week and he openly admitted he was in the wrong to question him previously.

For someone who the Carnacon players claim is basically a monster I thought he was more complimentary to Cora Staunton than she deserved. I was at the final last year and every time she got the ball it was shoot on site. Didn't even consider the option to pass to  a teammate. Crazy decisions at times to go her own rather than pass the ball.

Did you see the video in one of the connaght championship games of her telling the girls who the manager had delegated the free taking to go away as she was taking them. She did it twice to 2 different players.

These same players pressure their teammates to drop off the panel to force the manager's resignation but they chose to stay and support the manager. To me that only makes for a stronger panel. Not only should the manager not resign but the Carnacon players should apologise to him and their teammates for their actions if they want to play for the county again.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 19, 2018, 10:50:33 AM
https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/ (https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/)

“We fully support our management team and as a team believe that all of their decisions and selections were made fairly after careful consideration. We had a fantastic league campaign culminating in a league final appearance in Parnell Park and while the last few months were difficult and disappointing; many new players were given an opportunity to perform at county level.

“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.


I don't think that this statement carries any weight. One thing that can be seen clearly from everything that has happened is that Carnacon are not very well liked ,for whatever reason,within Mayo.

This episode has been jumped on by the other clubs in Mayo ,the county board ,other players on the panel,and even posters on here (one poster only has posts on this subject )  to put the boot in.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 19, 2018, 10:51:41 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 10:51:47 AM
Parkinson's hypocrisy is laughable.




That was before he interviewed the manager last week and he openly admitted he was in the wrong to question him previously.

For someone who the Carnacon players claim is basically a monster I thought he was more complimentary to Cora Staunton than she deserved. I was at the final last year and every time she got the ball it was shoot on site. Didn't even consider the option to pass to  a teammate. Crazy decisions at times to go her own rather than pass the ball.

Did you see the video of her telling the girls who the manager had delegated the free taking to go away as she was taking them. She did it twice to 2 different players.

These same players pressure their teammates to drop off the panel to force the manager's resignation but they chose to stay and support the manager. To me that only makes for a stronger panel. Not only should the manager not resign but the Carnacon players should apologise to him and their teammates for their actions if they want to play for the county again.
Because he agreed to be a guest on Parkinson's show.

Parkinson has zero integrity and is basically a troll.

12 of your best players dropping off a panel does not make for a stronger panel and only a fantasist could think otherwise. Again, reality is not doing some of the pro-Leahy posters any favours here.

How many players dropped off the Dublin hurling panel under Ger Cunningham? I'd say it was around 12.

Did that make for a stronger panel?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 10:55:46 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 19, 2018, 11:00:53 AM
https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/ (https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/)

“We fully support our management team and as a team believe that all of their decisions and selections were made fairly after careful consideration. We had a fantastic league campaign culminating in a league final appearance in Parnell Park and while the last few months were difficult and disappointing; many new players were given an opportunity to perform at county level.

“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.


I don't think that this statement carries any weight. One thing that can be seen clearly from everything that has happened is that Carnacon are not very well liked ,for whatever reason,within Mayo.

This episode has been jumped on by the other clubs in Mayo ,the county board ,other players on the panel,and even posters on here (one poster only has posts on this subject )  to put the boot in.

Carnacon made this about Carnacon.
The players who stayed in the squad didn't.
Not sure how you can dismiss their views out of hand when they significantly outnumber the players who left.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: johnnycool on September 19, 2018, 11:22:04 AM
Parkinson's hypocrisy is laughable.




That was before he interviewed the manager last week and he openly admitted he was in the wrong to question him previously.

For someone who the Carnacon players claim is basically a monster I thought he was more complimentary to Cora Staunton than she deserved. I was at the final last year and every time she got the ball it was shoot on site. Didn't even consider the option to pass to  a teammate. Crazy decisions at times to go her own rather than pass the ball.

Did you see the video of her telling the girls who the manager had delegated the free taking to go away as she was taking them. She did it twice to 2 different players.

These same players pressure their teammates to drop off the panel to force the manager's resignation but they chose to stay and support the manager. To me that only makes for a stronger panel. Not only should the manager not resign but the Carnacon players should apologise to him and their teammates for their actions if they want to play for the county again.
Because he agreed to be a guest on Parkinson's show.

Parkinson has zero integrity and is basically a troll.

12 of your best players dropping off a panel does not make for a stronger panel and only a fantasist could think otherwise. Again, reality is not doing some of the pro-Leahy posters any favours here.

How many players dropped off the Dublin hurling panel under Ger Cunningham? I'd say it was around 12.

Did that make for a stronger panel?

No, but it probably helped Gilroy and Cunningham this year as lads got game time that stood to them.

Management is never easy and compromise is probably a day and daily task ,but you can't be held to ransom by anyone player or club no matter how good they are (or were).
If they feel the need to walk then so be it, but don't be bringing all your mates with you as it seems that some probably never had an issue with the management or if they have then they haven't made it known.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2018, 11:26:29 AM
By the same token, if the players feel intimidated by the way he is delivering his criticism, they are fully entitled to tell him to shove it up his hole and opt out without the county board banning them from club football.

Your head is up your hole.

By the sounds of it, any team you were ever in was never competitive enough to give off to each other for not coming up to standard.
Please stop personally attacking me.
It seems to me that these players were not used to being spoken to in the way he spoke to them. Now, we can all say “I’ve heard worse” or “It’s not that bad” or “They need to suck it up”. The fact is they don’t have to suck it up and as the saying goes “if they don’t like it they know where the door is”. Well, they decided to go out the door. It’s their choice.

Away and dry yer eyes.

When these mouthpieces came out and said the manager had caused "issues of a personal and sensitive nature" and the environment was "not safe" for "young girls" - and you feel that is acceptable behaviour - then shove your concern over personal attacks on you up your arse.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 19, 2018, 11:34:44 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Parkinson's hypocrisy is laughable.




That was before he interviewed the manager last week and he openly admitted he was in the wrong to question him previously.

For someone who the Carnacon players claim is basically a monster I thought he was more complimentary to Cora Staunton than she deserved. I was at the final last year and every time she got the ball it was shoot on site. Didn't even consider the option to pass to  a teammate. Crazy decisions at times to go her own rather than pass the ball.

Did you see the video of her telling the girls who the manager had delegated the free taking to go away as she was taking them. She did it twice to 2 different players.

These same players pressure their teammates to drop off the panel to force the manager's resignation but they chose to stay and support the manager. To me that only makes for a stronger panel. Not only should the manager not resign but the Carnacon players should apologise to him and their teammates for their actions if they want to play for the county again.
Because he agreed to be a guest on Parkinson's show.

Parkinson has zero integrity and is basically a troll.

12 of your best players dropping off a panel does not make for a stronger panel and only a fantasist could think otherwise. Again, reality is not doing some of the pro-Leahy posters any favours here.

How many players dropped off the Dublin hurling panel under Ger Cunningham? I'd say it was around 12.

Did that make for a stronger panel?

He did agree to be a guest on the show and it was an excellent interview and Parkinson admitted he made the comment you quoted without getting the background to the story. It's hypocritical of you to criticise him when you compare his interview to the so called press conference yesterday. The players did this with only 2 journalists present that they handpicked themselves.

Also they still haven't withdrawn the allegation of an unsafe environment and their claims of mental health issues is to me a cop out. I'm sure it is stressful for them and they are coming under pressure for their stance but to claim that's a mental health issue is over the top and unfair to people with serious mental health issues.

In relation to the dubs, the players who dropped themselves off the dublin panel were from different clubs and clearly there were numerous issues there. In this case the players/selector all came from Caranacon. Does that not strike you as an incredible coincidence? To claim it's jealousy on the part of other clubs/players is so feeble it's laughable. The issue seems to have bound the remaining panel members together and for once it seems a united camp.

Finally do you think it's right for the Carnacon players who walked to then pressure their teammates a few days before a game not to play to force out a manger??

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 19, 2018, 11:41:51 AM
https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/ (https://www.the42.ie/mayo-ladies-football-statement-player-welfare-carnacon-4218033-Sep2018/)

“We fully support our management team and as a team believe that all of their decisions and selections were made fairly after careful consideration. We had a fantastic league campaign culminating in a league final appearance in Parnell Park and while the last few months were difficult and disappointing; many new players were given an opportunity to perform at county level.

“Our manager Peter Leahy has shown integrity and honour under tremendous pressure and he has always treated us as elite athletes, has supported and stood strong for us allowing us to play football without fear or intimidation.

“The management set up has been top class with no stone left unturned to make sure we can avail of top level coaching and facilities. The management ethos is focused on teamwork and also on how we as individuals can perform to the highest standard.


I don't think that this statement carries any weight. One thing that can be seen clearly from everything that has happened is that Carnacon are not very well liked ,for whatever reason,within Mayo.

This episode has been jumped on by the other clubs in Mayo ,the county board ,other players on the panel,and even posters on here (one poster only has posts on this subject )  to put the boot in.

Carnacon made this about Carnacon.
The players who stayed in the squad didn't.
Not sure how you can dismiss their views out of hand when they significantly outnumber the players who left.

14 players left the squad, I don't know how many players were in the squad at that stage. It is not an insignificant proportion of the squad.
The players who were called into the squad clearly benefited by the 14 who left i.e they are now playing inter county football. Their opinion is not unbiased.
The clubs who voted to have Carnacon throw out of the Championship clearly benefit also ,they now have a chance of winning the Club Championship for the first time in years.


Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 11:48:52 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.






Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 19, 2018, 11:55:54 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

eh?! how do you know this?? Sid, having read this reply I'm out, again with the women / feminist angle, and that final sentence. You're a wum / spoofer, I should have known better tbh
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 19, 2018, 11:56:40 AM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

Sid just out of interest, what are you assessing PL's management on. Is it the statement from the girls that left the panel?
The only reason I ask is that you see 100% that the problems were because of PL's management and not with the girls.

 
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2018, 11:59:07 AM
And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

But your only inclined to believe a minority of those players and not the majority?

Hard to see you as anything but the village contrary clown.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 11:59:20 AM
Parkinson's hypocrisy is laughable.




That was before he interviewed the manager last week and he openly admitted he was in the wrong to question him previously.

For someone who the Carnacon players claim is basically a monster I thought he was more complimentary to Cora Staunton than she deserved. I was at the final last year and every time she got the ball it was shoot on site. Didn't even consider the option to pass to  a teammate. Crazy decisions at times to go her own rather than pass the ball.

Did you see the video of her telling the girls who the manager had delegated the free taking to go away as she was taking them. She did it twice to 2 different players.

These same players pressure their teammates to drop off the panel to force the manager's resignation but they chose to stay and support the manager. To me that only makes for a stronger panel. Not only should the manager not resign but the Carnacon players should apologise to him and their teammates for their actions if they want to play for the county again.
Because he agreed to be a guest on Parkinson's show.

Parkinson has zero integrity and is basically a troll.

12 of your best players dropping off a panel does not make for a stronger panel and only a fantasist could think otherwise. Again, reality is not doing some of the pro-Leahy posters any favours here.

How many players dropped off the Dublin hurling panel under Ger Cunningham? I'd say it was around 12.

Did that make for a stronger panel?

He did agree to be a guest on the show and it was an excellent interview and Parkinson admitted he made the comment you quoted without getting the background to the story. It's hypocritical of you to criticise him when you compare his interview to the so called press conference yesterday. The players did this with only 2 journalists present that they handpicked themselves.

Also they still haven't withdrawn the allegation of an unsafe environment and their claims of mental health issues is to me a cop out. I'm sure it is stressful for them and they are coming under pressure for their stance but to claim that's a mental health issue is over the top and unfair to people with serious mental health issues.

In relation to the dubs, the players who dropped themselves off the dublin panel were from different clubs and clearly there were numerous issues there. In this case the players/selector all came from Caranacon. Does that not strike you as an incredible coincidence? To claim it's jealousy on the part of other clubs/players is so feeble it's laughable. The issue seems to have bound the remaining panel members together and for once it seems a united camp.

Finally do you think it's right for the Carnacon players who walked to then pressure their teammates a few days before a game not to play to force out a manger??


Again you're repeating a lie that you have made before. The players did not all come from Carnacon.

Leahy, like Cunningham, wasn't up to the job.

Cunningham set Dublin hurling back years by remaining when he wasn't wanted.

Leahy will do the same to Mayo if he sticks around. By any standards he has failed to do what a manager is appointed to do - create a happy camp, get the best team on the pitch and get them playing to their ability.

There is no debate about this. It's a massive management failure whatever way you look at it.

The way the Carnacon club and players have been victimised by the Mayo board is shameful.

There are clearly bigger agendas at play here and it absolutely comes down to jealousy over their success.












Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 12:01:26 PM
And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

But your only inclined to believe a minority of those players and not the majority?

Hard to see you as anything but the village contrary clown.
Some players didn't have issues. Good for them.

How they can speak on behalf of those who so obviously did have issues?

Because that's what they are doing.



Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 12:07:36 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

Sid just out of interest, what are you assessing PL's management on. Is it the statement from the girls that left the panel?
The only reason I ask is that you see 100% that the problems were because of PL's management and not with the girls.
i) Failing to respect players = failure of management
ii) Failure to create a happy atmosphere within the squad = failure of management
iii) Failure to put the best team on the pitch = failure of management
iv) Having 12 players quit the squad = failure of management
v) Results - the team failed badly in the championship = failure of management
vi) Completely dividing Mayo women's football to the point where Mayo cannot field their best team as long he continues = failure of management

A total failure whatever way you look at it.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 19, 2018, 12:08:34 PM
The picture from the 'press conference' in the link below, are any of these people not Carnacon members?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0918/994464-mayo-ladies-walkout/
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 12:14:01 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

Sid just out of interest, what are you assessing PL's management on. Is it the statement from the girls that left the panel?
The only reason I ask is that you see 100% that the problems were because of PL's management and not with the girls.
i) Failing to respect players = failure of management
ii) Failure to create a happy atmosphere within the squad = failure of management
iii) Failure to put the best team on the pitch = failure of management
iv) Having 12 players quit the squad = failure of management
v) Results - the team failed badly in the championship = failure of management
vi) Completely dividing Mayo women's football to the point where Mayo cannot field their best team as long he continues = failure of management

A total failure whatever way you look at it.

He hasn't divided mayo fooball. It's Carnacon players/selector who are against him. All the other players/clubs/co. board support and/or have no issue him and before you say it, I don't believe that's because they're all bitter and jealous in relation to Carnacon's success. It's not some big conspiracy like you claim.

Players also have to resepct the manager. Go to your boss and tell him/her you want to get a consulant in as you don't think he/she is good enough to do their job. See how that works out for you. If I was the manager I'd have dropped her from the panel that night and she wouldn't have the chance to walk out.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 19, 2018, 12:17:05 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

Sid just out of interest, what are you assessing PL's management on. Is it the statement from the girls that left the panel?
The only reason I ask is that you see 100% that the problems were because of PL's management and not with the girls.
i) Failing to respect players = failure of management
ii) Failure to create a happy atmosphere within the squad = failure of management
iii) Failure to put the best team on the pitch = failure of management
iv) Having 12 players quit the squad = failure of management
v) Results - the team failed badly in the championship = failure of management
vi) Completely dividing Mayo women's football to the point where Mayo cannot field their best team as long he continues = failure of management

A total failure whatever way you look at it.

But why are you so sure that it was a failure of management that caused 2-6? It's being disputed that it was a failure of some of the players to accept his decisions that caused the problems. So I was just wondering if there's something I'm missing that points the blame at PL rather than the girls. There's hearsay and conjecture from both sides.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

But your only inclined to believe a minority of those players and not the majority?

Hard to see you as anything but the village contrary clown.
Some players didn't have issues. Good for them.

How they can speak on behalf of those who so obviously did have issues?

Because that's what they are doing.

The environment is by its nature a shared one - team sport = shared environment.

Thus, the players who stayed are in every bit as good a position to comment on the team environment as those who attempted mutiny.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 12:35:06 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

Sid just out of interest, what are you assessing PL's management on. Is it the statement from the girls that left the panel?
The only reason I ask is that you see 100% that the problems were because of PL's management and not with the girls.
i) Failing to respect players = failure of management
ii) Failure to create a happy atmosphere within the squad = failure of management
iii) Failure to put the best team on the pitch = failure of management
iv) Having 12 players quit the squad = failure of management
v) Results - the team failed badly in the championship = failure of management
vi) Completely dividing Mayo women's football to the point where Mayo cannot field their best team as long he continues = failure of management

A total failure whatever way you look at it.

He hasn't divided mayo fooball. It's Carnacon players/selector who are against him. All the other players/clubs/co. board support and/or have no issue him and before you say it, I don't believe that's because they're all bitter and jealous in relation to Carnacon's success. It's not some big conspiracy like you claim.

Players also have to resepct the manager. Go to your boss and tell him/her you want to get a consulant in as you don't think he/she is good enough to do their job. See how that works out for you. If I was the manager I'd have dropped her from the panel that night and she wouldn't have the chance to walk out.
You haven't provided anything there bar shouting "it's their fault".

In modern sport, managers cannot afford to simply dismiss the opinions of players. That management style belongs to a bygone era. Those that do are stupid and those that do fail. As we've seen here.

I find it inexplicable how anybody can defend Carnacon being thrown out of the championship and the suspension of their players. No player is under any obligation to play county football under threat of expulsion and/or suspension.

It's actually the most disgusting thing about the whole story.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 19, 2018, 12:36:50 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

I don't see how the response to this is any different than the response to the Holmes-Connelly heave, or the Cork Hurlers strike or any other player-driven revolt we have seen in the GAA to date.
These are divisive issues and people generally pick a side and fight their corner on that basis.
Look at the ongoing attention the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Andy Moran etc. get as a result of their perceived 'influence' on Mayo affairs.
Likewise Galway hurlers got plenty of flak for ousting Anthony Cunningham.
You referred to the attitude towards "uppity women", but I'd argue the phrase "uppity players" would be more accurate.
Rightly or wrongly, a significant number of GAA people adhere to the view that 'players play & managers manage'.
Could you imagine if we were talking about 'The Mayo Five' (as Jimmy Sloyan would call them) leaving the Mayo squad under the same circumstances as the ladies in question?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion.
It'd make this affair look like a tea party.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 12:38:29 PM
And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

But your only inclined to believe a minority of those players and not the majority?

Hard to see you as anything but the village contrary clown.
Some players didn't have issues. Good for them.

How they can speak on behalf of those who so obviously did have issues?

Because that's what they are doing.

The environment is by its nature a shared one - team sport = shared environment.

Thus, the players who stayed are in every bit as good a position to comment on the team environment as those who attempted mutiny.
They're commenting on things they don't know about because they didn't experience them.

In other words: "I'm alright, Jack".

It's a complete oxymoron. You can't speak for people who have a different experience to you.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 12:47:01 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

Sid just out of interest, what are you assessing PL's management on. Is it the statement from the girls that left the panel?
The only reason I ask is that you see 100% that the problems were because of PL's management and not with the girls.
i) Failing to respect players = failure of management
ii) Failure to create a happy atmosphere within the squad = failure of management
iii) Failure to put the best team on the pitch = failure of management
iv) Having 12 players quit the squad = failure of management
v) Results - the team failed badly in the championship = failure of management
vi) Completely dividing Mayo women's football to the point where Mayo cannot field their best team as long he continues = failure of management

A total failure whatever way you look at it.

He hasn't divided mayo fooball. It's Carnacon players/selector who are against him. All the other players/clubs/co. board support and/or have no issue him and before you say it, I don't believe that's because they're all bitter and jealous in relation to Carnacon's success. It's not some big conspiracy like you claim.

Players also have to resepct the manager. Go to your boss and tell him/her you want to get a consulant in as you don't think he/she is good enough to do their job. See how that works out for you. If I was the manager I'd have dropped her from the panel that night and she wouldn't have the chance to walk out.
You haven't provided anything there bar shouting "it's their fault".

In modern sport, managers cannot afford to simply dismiss the opinions of players. That management style belongs to a bygone era. Those that do are stupid and those that do fail. As we've seen here.

I find it inexplicable how anybody can defend Carnacon being thrown out of the championship and the suspension of their players. No player is under any obligation to play county football under threat of expulsion and/or suspension.

It's actually the most disgusting thing about the whole story.

The captain wanted to bring in a coach of her own. How can you defend that? I understand perfectly that players/management need to work together but even you must think that's a step too far.

You also have failed to comment on the Carnacon players pressuring other players to quit the panel to force out the manager just days before a big game. That to me is disgusting thing to do to a teammate.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 19, 2018, 12:48:46 PM
And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

But your only inclined to believe a minority of those players and not the majority?

Hard to see you as anything but the village contrary clown.
Some players didn't have issues. Good for them.

How they can speak on behalf of those who so obviously did have issues?

Because that's what they are doing.

The environment is by its nature a shared one - team sport = shared environment.

Thus, the players who stayed are in every bit as good a position to comment on the team environment as those who attempted mutiny.
They're commenting on things they don't know about because they didn't experience them.

In other words: "I'm alright, Jack".

It's a complete oxymoron. You can't speak for people who have a different experience to you.

But it looks like you are taking the word of the woman who left the panel as accurate. Of course they are going to paint that picture. I'm still at odds as to why you think their version of what happened is more accurate than the girls who stayed or the managers?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Kickham csc on September 19, 2018, 12:56:06 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

Sid just out of interest, what are you assessing PL's management on. Is it the statement from the girls that left the panel?
The only reason I ask is that you see 100% that the problems were because of PL's management and not with the girls.
i) Failing to respect players = failure of management
ii) Failure to create a happy atmosphere within the squad = failure of management
iii) Failure to put the best team on the pitch = failure of management
iv) Having 12 players quit the squad = failure of management
v) Results - the team failed badly in the championship = failure of management
vi) Completely dividing Mayo women's football to the point where Mayo cannot field their best team as long he continues = failure of management

A total failure whatever way you look at it.

He hasn't divided mayo fooball. It's Carnacon players/selector who are against him. All the other players/clubs/co. board support and/or have no issue him and before you say it, I don't believe that's because they're all bitter and jealous in relation to Carnacon's success. It's not some big conspiracy like you claim.

Players also have to resepct the manager. Go to your boss and tell him/her you want to get a consulant in as you don't think he/she is good enough to do their job. See how that works out for you. If I was the manager I'd have dropped her from the panel that night and she wouldn't have the chance to walk out.
You haven't provided anything there bar shouting "it's their fault".

In modern sport, managers cannot afford to simply dismiss the opinions of players. That management style belongs to a bygone era. Those that do are stupid and those that do fail. As we've seen here.

I find it inexplicable how anybody can defend Carnacon being thrown out of the championship and the suspension of their players. No player is under any obligation to play county football under threat of expulsion and/or suspension.

It's actually the most disgusting thing about the whole story.

The captain wanted to bring in a coach of her own. How can you defend that? I understand perfectly that players/management need to work together but even you must think that's a step too far.

You also have failed to comment on the Carnacon players pressuring other players to quit the panel to force out the manager just days before a big game. That to me is disgusting thing to do to a teammate.

This is the critical piece in all this.

If true then the punishment determined by the county board has some credence. I mentioned earlier in this topic, the rules in place are to prevent this situation, i.e. if a club organizes a boycott then they will be penalised.

The player issue is a separate topic. If players wanted to withdraw from the squad, so be it. But if they organized a campaign to pressurize the "Remainers", then they have stepped over the line and shouldn't be surprized when the board pushes back.

BTW, they should be banned for sheer stupidity...... text messages, they needed a lesson on evidence trails, and how to avoid them
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 12:59:52 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

I don't see how the response to this is any different than the response to the Holmes-Connelly heave, or the Cork Hurlers strike or any other player-driven revolt we have seen in the GAA to date.
These are divisive issues and people generally pick a side and fight their corner on that basis.
Look at the ongoing attention the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Andy Moran etc. get as a result of their perceived 'influence' on Mayo affairs.
Likewise Galway hurlers got plenty of flak for ousting Anthony Cunningham.
You referred to the attitude towards "uppity women", but I'd argue the phrase "uppity players" would be more accurate.
Rightly or wrongly, a significant number of GAA people adhere to the view that 'players play & managers manage'.
Could you imagine if we were talking about 'The Mayo Five' (as Jimmy Sloyan would call them) leaving the Mayo squad under the same circumstances as the ladies in question?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion.
It'd make this affair look like a tea party.

Did many people seriously suggest that Holmes and Connelly, Cunningham, or Teddy Holland, Gerald McCarthy or Justin McCarthy should stay in their jobs when players withdrew their services?

Did many people seriously think that those county teams would benefit more from those managers staying in place for the following season than if they resigned and somebody else took over?

Justin McCarthy did stay on with a scab team in 2010. They were beaten by massive scorelines for the whole of 2010 in front of a few men and their dogs. How on earth did that benefit Limerick hurling?

Compare that to 2011 when Donal O'Grady had taken over with the backing of the players and Limerick put in some very creditable performances and started to build towards a Munster title in 2013. Which year benefitted Limerick hurling more?

Did many people seriously think that Ger Cunningham was the best man to lead the Dublin hurling team forward in early 2016 when it became apparent that players were leaving the panel left, right and centre because of his management?

This is the ludicrous situation that lots of posters here are actually advocating, that Leahy is the best man to lead Mayo forward, against a backdrop of widespread serious player dissatisfaction with his management.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

Such "sticking it" is utterly futile and only harms Mayo women's football.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 01:06:37 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

I don't see how the response to this is any different than the response to the Holmes-Connelly heave, or the Cork Hurlers strike or any other player-driven revolt we have seen in the GAA to date.
These are divisive issues and people generally pick a side and fight their corner on that basis.
Look at the ongoing attention the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Andy Moran etc. get as a result of their perceived 'influence' on Mayo affairs.
Likewise Galway hurlers got plenty of flak for ousting Anthony Cunningham.
You referred to the attitude towards "uppity women", but I'd argue the phrase "uppity players" would be more accurate.
Rightly or wrongly, a significant number of GAA people adhere to the view that 'players play & managers manage'.
Could you imagine if we were talking about 'The Mayo Five' (as Jimmy Sloyan would call them) leaving the Mayo squad under the same circumstances as the ladies in question?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion.
It'd make this affair look like a tea party.

Did many people seriously suggest that Holmes and Connelly, Cunningham, or Teddy Holland, Gerald McCarthy or Justin McCarthy should stay in their jobs when players withdrew their services?

Did many people seriously think that those county teams would benefit more from those managers staying in place for the following season than if they resigned and somebody else took over?

Justin McCarthy did stay on with a scab team in 2010. They were beaten by massive scorelines for the whole of 2010 in front of a few men and their dogs. How on earth did that benefit Limerick hurling?

Compare that to 2011 when Donal O'Grady had taken over with the backing of the players and Limerick put in some very creditable performances and started to build towards a Munster title in 2013. Which year benefitted Limerick hurling more?

Did many people seriously think that Ger Cunningham was the best man to lead the Dublin hurling team forward in early 2016 when it became apparent that players were leaving the panel left, right and centre because of his management?

This is the ludicrous situation that lots of posters here are actually advocating, that Leahy is the best man to lead Mayo forward, against a backdrop of widespread serious player dissatisfaction with his management.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

Such "sticking it" is utterly futile and only harms Mayo women's football.

There's not widespread dissatisfaction. Its players and selector from 1 club. Why do you deliberately ignore actions and just continuously demand the manager be sacked/resign? It seems like you have a personal vendetta against him for some reason that can't be just managing the mayo ladies football team
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 01:10:14 PM
And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

But your only inclined to believe a minority of those players and not the majority?

Hard to see you as anything but the village contrary clown.
Some players didn't have issues. Good for them.

How they can speak on behalf of those who so obviously did have issues?

Because that's what they are doing.

The environment is by its nature a shared one - team sport = shared environment.

Thus, the players who stayed are in every bit as good a position to comment on the team environment as those who attempted mutiny.
They're commenting on things they don't know about because they didn't experience them.

In other words: "I'm alright, Jack".

It's a complete oxymoron. You can't speak for people who have a different experience to you.

But it looks like you are taking the word of the woman who left the panel as accurate. Of course they are going to paint that picture. I'm still at odds as to why you think their version of what happened is more accurate than the girls who stayed or the managers?

People can look at things in different ways. There is no absolute truth here about who is right or wrong because what happened is a matter of personal interpretation.

The truth of the players who left the panel is clearly not the same as Leahy's truth.

What is an objective truth is that the grievances of the players are being casually treated as entirely illegitimate and dismissed out of hand by many people.

What is also an objective truth is that any manager who has 12 players pull out of a panel is failing in his job. The job of a manager is to manage players. Leahy clearly could not manage these players, key players without whom the team was badly weakened. It's staggering that anybody can see this as anything but a failure.





Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 01:12:06 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

I don't see how the response to this is any different than the response to the Holmes-Connelly heave, or the Cork Hurlers strike or any other player-driven revolt we have seen in the GAA to date.
These are divisive issues and people generally pick a side and fight their corner on that basis.
Look at the ongoing attention the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Andy Moran etc. get as a result of their perceived 'influence' on Mayo affairs.
Likewise Galway hurlers got plenty of flak for ousting Anthony Cunningham.
You referred to the attitude towards "uppity women", but I'd argue the phrase "uppity players" would be more accurate.
Rightly or wrongly, a significant number of GAA people adhere to the view that 'players play & managers manage'.
Could you imagine if we were talking about 'The Mayo Five' (as Jimmy Sloyan would call them) leaving the Mayo squad under the same circumstances as the ladies in question?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion.
It'd make this affair look like a tea party.

Did many people seriously suggest that Holmes and Connelly, Cunningham, or Teddy Holland, Gerald McCarthy or Justin McCarthy should stay in their jobs when players withdrew their services?

Did many people seriously think that those county teams would benefit more from those managers staying in place for the following season than if they resigned and somebody else took over?

Justin McCarthy did stay on with a scab team in 2010. They were beaten by massive scorelines for the whole of 2010 in front of a few men and their dogs. How on earth did that benefit Limerick hurling?

Compare that to 2011 when Donal O'Grady had taken over with the backing of the players and Limerick put in some very creditable performances and started to build towards a Munster title in 2013. Which year benefitted Limerick hurling more?

Did many people seriously think that Ger Cunningham was the best man to lead the Dublin hurling team forward in early 2016 when it became apparent that players were leaving the panel left, right and centre because of his management?

This is the ludicrous situation that lots of posters here are actually advocating, that Leahy is the best man to lead Mayo forward, against a backdrop of widespread serious player dissatisfaction with his management.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

Such "sticking it" is utterly futile and only harms Mayo women's football.

There's not widespread dissatisfaction. Its players and selector from 1 club. Why do you deliberately ignore actions and just continuously demand the manager be sacked/resign? It seems like you have a personal vendetta against him for some reason that can't be just managing the mayo ladies football team
Again, you repeat a lie.

And the notion that 12 players and two selectors pulling out is not evidence of widespread dissatisfaction is utterly laughable.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Kickham csc on September 19, 2018, 01:21:50 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

I don't see how the response to this is any different than the response to the Holmes-Connelly heave, or the Cork Hurlers strike or any other player-driven revolt we have seen in the GAA to date.
These are divisive issues and people generally pick a side and fight their corner on that basis.
Look at the ongoing attention the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Andy Moran etc. get as a result of their perceived 'influence' on Mayo affairs.
Likewise Galway hurlers got plenty of flak for ousting Anthony Cunningham.
You referred to the attitude towards "uppity women", but I'd argue the phrase "uppity players" would be more accurate.
Rightly or wrongly, a significant number of GAA people adhere to the view that 'players play & managers manage'.
Could you imagine if we were talking about 'The Mayo Five' (as Jimmy Sloyan would call them) leaving the Mayo squad under the same circumstances as the ladies in question?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion.
It'd make this affair look like a tea party.

Did many people seriously suggest that Holmes and Connelly, Cunningham, or Teddy Holland, Gerald McCarthy or Justin McCarthy should stay in their jobs when players withdrew their services?

Did many people seriously think that those county teams would benefit more from those managers staying in place for the following season than if they resigned and somebody else took over?

Justin McCarthy did stay on with a scab team in 2010. They were beaten by massive scorelines for the whole of 2010 in front of a few men and their dogs. How on earth did that benefit Limerick hurling?

Compare that to 2011 when Donal O'Grady had taken over with the backing of the players and Limerick put in some very creditable performances and started to build towards a Munster title in 2013. Which year benefitted Limerick hurling more?

Did many people seriously think that Ger Cunningham was the best man to lead the Dublin hurling team forward in early 2016 when it became apparent that players were leaving the panel left, right and centre because of his management?

This is the ludicrous situation that lots of posters here are actually advocating, that Leahy is the best man to lead Mayo forward, against a backdrop of widespread serious player dissatisfaction with his management.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

Such "sticking it" is utterly futile and only harms Mayo women's football.

But why was there widespread player dissatisfaction? That is a critical question

Was it that 1 or 2 players were unhappy because he was challenging them.
Were they unhappy because he is looking at long term plans and the need to blood new players, and they were the players that were going to be replaced?
Did the 12 players leave out of loyalty to player alliances?
Are the allegations legitimate or a case of the manager having "Hot Conversations" and the players not reacting well to it?
Was the manager incompetent (even though they have got to an All-Ireland and a league final in the past two years)
Does the manager have bad communication skills?
Did the manager put the players health at risk (or did he ruffle to many feathers)

At the moment I would be siding with the manager. Mainly due to the absolute mismanagement of the players who left.
Cora's interview was a disaster
The behind the scenes campaign to influence players
The changing narrative of the complaints. 

The "exitiers" need to do  a better job in spelling out their grievances, in a clear, precise and substantiated manor, before I start to lean towards  their side of the situation
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: tippabu on September 19, 2018, 01:26:47 PM
Any chance we could maybe quote the last post from these ones that are being quoted now to tidy things up a wee bit?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Captain Obvious on September 19, 2018, 01:29:52 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

I don't see how the response to this is any different than the response to the Holmes-Connelly heave, or the Cork Hurlers strike or any other player-driven revolt we have seen in the GAA to date.
These are divisive issues and people generally pick a side and fight their corner on that basis.
Look at the ongoing attention the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Andy Moran etc. get as a result of their perceived 'influence' on Mayo affairs.
Likewise Galway hurlers got plenty of flak for ousting Anthony Cunningham.
You referred to the attitude towards "uppity women", but I'd argue the phrase "uppity players" would be more accurate.
Rightly or wrongly, a significant number of GAA people adhere to the view that 'players play & managers manage'.
Could you imagine if we were talking about 'The Mayo Five' (as Jimmy Sloyan would call them) leaving the Mayo squad under the same circumstances as the ladies in question?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion.
It'd make this affair look like a tea party.

Did many people seriously suggest that Holmes and Connelly, Cunningham, or Teddy Holland, Gerald McCarthy or Justin McCarthy should stay in their jobs when players withdrew their services?

Did many people seriously think that those county teams would benefit more from those managers staying in place for the following season than if they resigned and somebody else took over?

Justin McCarthy did stay on with a scab team in 2010. They were beaten by massive scorelines for the whole of 2010 in front of a few men and their dogs. How on earth did that benefit Limerick hurling?

Compare that to 2011 when Donal O'Grady had taken over with the backing of the players and Limerick put in some very creditable performances and started to build towards a Munster title in 2013. Which year benefitted Limerick hurling more?

Did many people seriously think that Ger Cunningham was the best man to lead the Dublin hurling team forward in early 2016 when it became apparent that players were leaving the panel left, right and centre because of his management?

This is the ludicrous situation that lots of posters here are actually advocating, that Leahy is the best man to lead Mayo forward, against a backdrop of widespread serious player dissatisfaction with his management.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

Such "sticking it" is utterly futile and only harms Mayo women's football.

But why was there widespread player dissatisfaction? That is a critical question

Was it that 1 or 2 players were unhappy because he was challenging them.
Were they unhappy because he is looking at long term plans and the need to blood new players, and they were the players that were going to be replaced?
Did the 12 players leave out of loyalty to player alliances?
Are the allegations legitimate or a case of the manager having "Hot Conversations" and the players not reacting well to it?
Was the manager incompetent (even though they have got to an All-Ireland and a league final in the past two years)
Does the manager have bad communication skills?
Did the manager put the players health at risk (or did he ruffle to many feathers)

At the moment I would be siding with the manager. Mainly due to the absolute mismanagement of the players who left.
Cora's interview was a disaster
The behind the scenes campaign to influence players
The changing narrative of the complaints. 

The "exitiers" need to do  a better job in spelling out their grievances, in a clear, precise and substantiated manor, before I start to lean towards  their side of the situation

That's a lot of quoting.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 01:30:03 PM

It's actually incredible that this has to be answered.

Because half the panel won't play for him and because Mayo women's football will be hopelessly and bitterly divided going forward. How will that benefit women's football in Mayo?

A new manager would at least give the team the chance to move forward. As it is, Leahys' position is untenable.

Leahy is in the exactly same position as Mickey Moran, Gerald McCarthy, Teddy Holland, Justin McCarthy, Noel Connelly and Pat Holmes and Anthony Cunningham were.

Most of those at least saw sense and stepped down sooner or later. Mickey Moran and Justin McCarthy didn't and tried to brazen it out. In neither case did things work out well.

So Peter Leahy resigns and this problem magically evaporates?

More than two thirds of the squad who backed him and "believe that no player welfare issues exist or have ever existed under the current management and categorically disagree with the statement issued in July by the individuals that departed the Mayo senior ladies panel regarding the welfare issues raised". He should just abandon those 26 players who called out the "failed coup" and backed him instead? I'm sure they'd appreciate being left in the lurch like that.

So say Leahy does resign and the best manager in the country is brought in, does he sit there with the threat of a coup hanging over him if he dares to drop certain players? Would those players be happy being benched by a new manager with excellent communication skills?

Look at the history of pervious Mayo managers and how they got on with that group. They had to bring in a priest to train them at one stage as nobody else would touch it. Those select few players are unmanageable, unless they are allowed to exert control themselves.

The evidence of 2017, when they reached the All-Ireland final, would suggest that that's utter balderdash.

The evidence of 2017 would suggest that those players were allowed to exert control. Did you watch the final? It was a joke how their star player carried on.
You have no evidence for that.

In fact throughout this thread there has been unsubstantiated statements, drunken pub level stuff used to try and vilify the players involved. Hearsay and conjecture, in other words.

The evidence is there that the players who walked out know what it takes to compete at the highest level, because they have done - within the last year.

The players that walked out made up the minority of the team that got to the final in 2017. Those who didn't walk out also know how to compete at that same level.

Do you know any ladies footballers from Mayo? I do, as I was in college with a number of them. The culture there has been toxic for the best part of a decade, if not longer. Numerous quality players have walked away from it. Numerous managers have quit after short tenure's. This is not a new development.
Again, more hearsay and conjecture.

Short management tenures are the default all over the GAA.

Can you tell me how Leahy's performance in the job has been in any way competent and why he should remain in the job?

It's not hearsay. As far back as 2010 Pat Costello resigned as manager only weeks before the championship began.

The statement read: ""At a meeting with the executive committee of the Mayo Ladies County Board on April 19, Pat Costello tendered his resignation as manager of the Mayo Ladies senior football team, stating that his position was no longer tenable due to him being constantly undermined by certain players within the panel."

Take your head out of the sand.

Give up Sid, you're being schooled

If indeed the setup has been toxic and star player lead, maybe this is Mayo ladies football 'rock bottom' and IF all sides can work through this (in private), this could be a real watershed moment.

Do Carnacon manage themselves? (half joking btw)

Can you tell me how on earth Mayo reached the 2017 final if the team was so unmanageable?

Do you consider the Mayo men's football team unmanageable too, given that they went on strike over what seemed like pretty tenuous issues?

Or is it just women who get tarred as "unmanageable"?

Just women? Behave Sid

And who's to say if Mayo had had a strong manager at the helm they wouldn't have won the final?

You seem to want to throw PL under the bus. From what I've read on hear from Mayo folk, the setup has been player lead, toxic for the best part of a decade, a big majority of the players want to keep the current management team as well as the Mayo CB. Something needs to change, and it's not the management team imo

Mayo performed to the limit of their ability last year. Dublin are a better team, they're the best team in the country by a distance.

The point as regards women is a serious one. There's a distinct tone of misogynism to a lot of the criticism, like a lot of men commenting here seem to be desperate to put a bunch of "uppity women" put back in their box.

There are clear double standards when it comes to women who won't accept being treated like shit by a dinosaur, compared to men.

And forgive me if I'm more inclined to believe players who have reached an All-Ireland final than a convicted fraudster.

I don't see how the response to this is any different than the response to the Holmes-Connelly heave, or the Cork Hurlers strike or any other player-driven revolt we have seen in the GAA to date.
These are divisive issues and people generally pick a side and fight their corner on that basis.
Look at the ongoing attention the O'Sheas, O'Connors, Andy Moran etc. get as a result of their perceived 'influence' on Mayo affairs.
Likewise Galway hurlers got plenty of flak for ousting Anthony Cunningham.
You referred to the attitude towards "uppity women", but I'd argue the phrase "uppity players" would be more accurate.
Rightly or wrongly, a significant number of GAA people adhere to the view that 'players play & managers manage'.
Could you imagine if we were talking about 'The Mayo Five' (as Jimmy Sloyan would call them) leaving the Mayo squad under the same circumstances as the ladies in question?
They would be hung, drawn and quartered in the court of public opinion.
It'd make this affair look like a tea party.

Did many people seriously suggest that Holmes and Connelly, Cunningham, or Teddy Holland, Gerald McCarthy or Justin McCarthy should stay in their jobs when players withdrew their services?

Did many people seriously think that those county teams would benefit more from those managers staying in place for the following season than if they resigned and somebody else took over?

Justin McCarthy did stay on with a scab team in 2010. They were beaten by massive scorelines for the whole of 2010 in front of a few men and their dogs. How on earth did that benefit Limerick hurling?

Compare that to 2011 when Donal O'Grady had taken over with the backing of the players and Limerick put in some very creditable performances and started to build towards a Munster title in 2013. Which year benefitted Limerick hurling more?

Did many people seriously think that Ger Cunningham was the best man to lead the Dublin hurling team forward in early 2016 when it became apparent that players were leaving the panel left, right and centre because of his management?

This is the ludicrous situation that lots of posters here are actually advocating, that Leahy is the best man to lead Mayo forward, against a backdrop of widespread serious player dissatisfaction with his management.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

That's la la land stuff. Those who advocate such clearly have no interest in the wellbeing of Mayo women's football, and merely want him to dig in to"stick it" to those who left the panel.

Such "sticking it" is utterly futile and only harms Mayo women's football.

There's not widespread dissatisfaction. Its players and selector from 1 club. Why do you deliberately ignore actions and just continuously demand the manager be sacked/resign? It seems like you have a personal vendetta against him for some reason that can't be just managing the mayo ladies football team
Again, you repeat a lie.

And the notion that 12 players and two selectors pulling out is not evidence of widespread dissatisfaction is utterly laughable.

It's like dealing with a goldfish.

You forget everything said/pointed out previously and keep on insisting manager must go as part of some personal vendetta. Either that or you choose to completely ignore it . You refuse to accept the behaviour of the Carnacon players was even remotely out of order and the manager is some kind of monster who should be banished from the county never to return. 

Players pressuring teammates to quit a panel clearly only acting in the best interests of Mayo football ::) ::)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 19, 2018, 01:35:00 PM

People can look at things in different ways. There is no absolute truth here about who is right or wrong because what happened is a matter of personal interpretation.

The truth of the players who left the panel is clearly not the same as Leahy's truth.

What is an objective truth is that the grievances of the players are being casually treated as entirely illegitimate and dismissed out of hand by many people.

What is also an objective truth is that any manager who has 12 players pull out of a panel is failing in his job. The job of a manager is to manage players. Leahy clearly could not manage these players, key players without whom the team was badly weakened. It's staggering that anybody can see this as anything but a failure.

Not if the girls were looking to dictate what was happening within the team. In which case the management team were completely correct to push back and maybe it was something that had to happen in Mayo to break the influence of the Carnacon players (It's been discussed on here regarding some of the issues previous managements have had and the struggle to get anyone to manage the team in the past).  Yes the results of pushing back are not good. But if the management team had rolled over to their demands the result may have been disillusionment by the other girls on the panel of the management team. And the results of that could be equally as poor.  It just may have been a no win situation. I certainly don't look at it and think, well that was the management's fault.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 19, 2018, 01:41:14 PM
If there was a more diverse spread of clubs that the unhappy players were drawn from, I would be looking at this slightly different.
That the majority are from a single club, makes me wonder how many actually 100% wanted to leave and how many felt they had no choice but to leave.
If Cora & Fiona say they're going, and you as a Carnacon player say you want to stay, how would that go down?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: shark on September 19, 2018, 01:43:28 PM

People can look at things in different ways. There is no absolute truth here about who is right or wrong because what happened is a matter of personal interpretation.

The truth of the players who left the panel is clearly not the same as Leahy's truth.

What is an objective truth is that the grievances of the players are being casually treated as entirely illegitimate and dismissed out of hand by many people.

What is also an objective truth is that any manager who has 12 players pull out of a panel is failing in his job. The job of a manager is to manage players. Leahy clearly could not manage these players, key players without whom the team was badly weakened. It's staggering that anybody can see this as anything but a failure.

Not if the girls were looking to dictate what was happening within the team. In which case the management team were completely correct to push back and maybe it was something that had to happen in Mayo to break the influence of the Carnacon players (It's been discussed on here regarding some of the issues previous managements have had and the struggle to get anyone to manage the team in the past).  Yes the results of pushing back are not good. But if the management team had rolled over to their demands the result may have been disillusionment by the other girls on the panel of the management team. And the results of that could be equally as poor.  It just may have been a no win situation. I certainly don't look at it and think, well that was the management's fault.

That is what has happened in the past. This has been going on for years.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2018, 01:57:48 PM
They're commenting on things they don't know about because they didn't experience them.

In other words: "I'm alright, Jack".

It's a complete oxymoron. You can't speak for people who have a different experience to you.

(1) If they didn't experience or see anything within the same environment.
(2) If the player liaison officer was never requested, informed or made aware of any issues.
(3) If in mediation, none of the issues were mentioned.

Then they never happened in as far as you can prove a negative and in considering everyone's experiences will differ.


If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 19, 2018, 02:02:32 PM
Just saw the clip of Cora taking the free-kick in the Connacht final, which she ballooned up in the air after ignoring the protests of the designated free-taker, Sarah Rowe.
If that's not indicative of an unhealthy 'We Know Best' dynamic in the squad, I don't know what is.
Lancing this boil may turn out to have been a necessary evil.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2018, 02:05:16 PM
If there was a more diverse spread of clubs that the unhappy players were drawn from, I would be looking at this slightly different.
That the majority are from a single club, makes me wonder how many actually 100% wanted to leave and how many felt they had no choice but to leave.
If Cora & Fiona say they're going, and you as a Carnacon player say you want to stay, how would that go down?

Indeed.

You'd wonder just how good the atmosphere is within Carnacon squad never mind Mayo! [Irrespective of success.]
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 19, 2018, 02:07:14 PM
write the name "sid wadell" down on a piece of paper

hold the paper up in front of you while looking in a mirror while listening to the three tenors and the name turns into "Cora Staunton"
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Cunny Funt on September 19, 2018, 02:18:38 PM
They're commenting on things they don't know about because they didn't experience them.

In other words: "I'm alright, Jack".

It's a complete oxymoron. You can't speak for people who have a different experience to you.

(1) If they didn't experience or see anything within the same environment.
(2) If the player liaison officer was never requested, informed or made aware of any issues.
(3) If in mediation, none of the issues were mentioned.

Then they never happened in as far as you can prove a negative and in considering everyone's experiences will differ.


If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a f**king duck.
Cora's nickname is duckie.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: heffo on September 19, 2018, 02:23:55 PM
Listened to the Ger Gilroy/Cora Staunton interview from a couple of weeks ago - disgraceful stuff from Gilroy

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 19, 2018, 02:46:52 PM
Just saw the clip of Cora taking the free-kick in the Connacht final, which she ballooned up in the air after ignoring the protests of the designated free-taker, Sarah Rowe.
If that's not indicative of an unhealthy 'We Know Best' dynamic in the squad, I don't know what is.
Lancing this boil may turn out to have been a necessary evil.
That would kind of be my impression as well. Something that needed to happen to reset the dynamic within the team/ management. I do think that PL may end up falling on his own sword as a result and that a new manager might end up reaping the benefits.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 19, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
write the name "sid wadell" down on a piece of paper

hold the paper up in front of you while looking in a mirror while listening to the three tenors and the name turns into "Cora Staunton"

I take it that you are not very fond of Cora, did she rattle a few goals past you at some stage ?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 02:55:57 PM


It's like dealing with a goldfish.

You forget everything said/pointed out previously and keep on insisting manager must go as part of some personal vendetta. Either that or you choose to completely ignore it . You refuse to accept the behaviour of the Carnacon players was even remotely out of order and the manager is some kind of monster who should be banished from the county never to return. 

Players pressuring teammates to quit a panel clearly only acting in the best interests of Mayo football ::) ::)
What nonsense.

You've been repeating the same lie multiple times and are now claiming fantastical things about my view of Peter Leahy.

The simple reality is that when a manager loses 12 players including nine of the 18 players used in last year's All-Ireland final, from different clubs, and within six months of taking over, he has failed in his job, and should go.

Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 02:59:04 PM
write the name "sid wadell" down on a piece of paper

hold the paper up in front of you while looking in a mirror while listening to the three tenors and the name turns into "Cora Staunton"

I take it that you are not very fond of Cora, did she rattle a few goals past you at some stage ?

Her nickname should be the optician. She's what we would call an "I" specialist. All about her and not the team. What's even more infuriating is that in connaght final on the other side of the pitch she refused for a 2nd time to hand over the ball to the designated free taker from that side.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: spuds on September 19, 2018, 02:59:14 PM
Listened to the Ger Gilroy/Cora Staunton interview from a couple of weeks ago - disgraceful stuff from Gilroy
Very poor imbalanced journalism. The Off The Ball road show in Croke Park the Thursday before AI final Cora got another free run at it this time Joe Molloy interviewing I think. The crowd lapped up all she said, the tone set by the interviewer. Gilroy wasn't even listening as he spent the night outside the hall chatting to a group of lads.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 19, 2018, 03:01:21 PM
How many players were on the Mayo panel before the walkout?

How is any manager that loses so many of his panel doing a competent job?

Not even Holmes and Connelly had players walk out on them mid-championship.

Answer me this: do you think Leahy's management has been competent?

Like, examine what has happened.

Under a different manager the team reached the All-Ireland final the previous year. Under him 2018 was a total fiasco with players walking out en masse because of him.

How is that competent management?

In any other walk of life, there would be no debate - the manager would be sacked for that type of performance, and rightly so.

Yes, as far as I'm aware, all 26 were part of the original panel. Open to correction on that though.

I'm not here to defend Leahy as a manager although you can read back on the statement by the 26 players to get an idea of what their opinion was. The problem here is bigger than him and you seem to be completely missing that point. NO manager could have dropped those players without them kicking up a stink. That Leahy may have other failings as a manager is beside the point but players being dropped was the catalyst for this fallout.

Isn't it odd that these "player welfare" issues only surfaced when some players were being dropped? Not a single word about them to the players liaison officer previously.  ???
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 03:06:16 PM


It's like dealing with a goldfish.

You forget everything said/pointed out previously and keep on insisting manager must go as part of some personal vendetta. Either that or you choose to completely ignore it . You refuse to accept the behaviour of the Carnacon players was even remotely out of order and the manager is some kind of monster who should be banished from the county never to return. 

Players pressuring teammates to quit a panel clearly only acting in the best interests of Mayo football ::) ::)
What nonsense.

You've been repeating the same lie multiple times and are now claiming fantastical things about my view of Peter Leahy.

The simple reality is that when a manager loses 12 players including nine of the 18 players used in last year's All-Ireland final, from different clubs, and within six months of taking over, he has failed in his job, and should go.

Whatever. You clearly have no intention of addressing the behaviour of Cornacon players. It's not healthy to have such an irrational hatred of Peter Leahy though
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 19, 2018, 03:11:37 PM
For the record, I actually have good time for Cora.
Always enjoyed her interviews (well, up until recently).
Heard her doing co-commentary on the radio for the mens Connacht final and thought she was very good.
That doesn't change the fact that I think she's in the wrong here.
We've probably all known plenty of lads who've thrown their toys out of the pram and walked away from teams down through the years.
The main difference here is the language that has been used and the associated implications.
Once everyone signed those non-disclosure agreements in mediation, that should have been the end of any discussion of the issue in the media by either side.
I understand Cora has a book coming out, but she should have told interviewers that she wasn't going to talk about the ongoing matter.
Instead, she poured petrol on a fire that may otherwise have been controlled and eventually extinguished.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 03:24:47 PM
How many players were on the Mayo panel before the walkout?

How is any manager that loses so many of his panel doing a competent job?

Not even Holmes and Connelly had players walk out on them mid-championship.

Answer me this: do you think Leahy's management has been competent?

Like, examine what has happened.

Under a different manager the team reached the All-Ireland final the previous year. Under him 2018 was a total fiasco with players walking out en masse because of him.

How is that competent management?

In any other walk of life, there would be no debate - the manager would be sacked for that type of performance, and rightly so.

Yes, as far as I'm aware, all 26 were part of the original panel. Open to correction on that though.

I'm not here to defend Leahy as a manager although you can read back on the statement by the 26 players to get an idea of what their opinion was. The problem here is bigger than him and you seem to be completely missing that point. NO manager could have dropped those players without them kicking up a stink. That Leahy may have other failings as a manager is beside the point but players being dropped was the catalyst for this fallout.

Isn't it odd that these "player welfare" issues only surfaced when some players were being dropped? Not a single word about them to the players liaison officer previously.  ???
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

It's total hearsay and conjecture that the problems arose because players were dropped. It's pub talk.

Fault and blame here is unlikely to be black and white.

It's very possible the players have overstepped the mark as regards the language they used, and if that is the case, that would be wrong.

Equally, you cannot say that Leahy has done a good job in terms of management of those players. He has manifestly failed in that regard.

Again, equally, the Mayo board have acted in an utterly cack-handed manner, only pouring petrol on the flames of the dispute, seeking to punish and vilify those who walked away, and singling out players from one club in particular.

Ultimately though, nine of the 18 players who got Mayo to an All-Ireland final less than a year ago are more important to the future of Mayo women's football than a manager who, within six months of taking over, has alienated those players to such an extent that they walk away from the team.

Any future Mayo team needs those players available for selection, the same as Limerick needed the players who went on strike in 2010, when they went into 2011. You can't just banish all these players forever like some want.

And whatever happens, Leahy has to go, because Mayo can't tenably move forward under him.





Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: sid waddell on September 19, 2018, 03:27:02 PM


It's like dealing with a goldfish.

You forget everything said/pointed out previously and keep on insisting manager must go as part of some personal vendetta. Either that or you choose to completely ignore it . You refuse to accept the behaviour of the Carnacon players was even remotely out of order and the manager is some kind of monster who should be banished from the county never to return. 

Players pressuring teammates to quit a panel clearly only acting in the best interests of Mayo football ::) ::)
What nonsense.

You've been repeating the same lie multiple times and are now claiming fantastical things about my view of Peter Leahy.

The simple reality is that when a manager loses 12 players including nine of the 18 players used in last year's All-Ireland final, from different clubs, and within six months of taking over, he has failed in his job, and should go.

Whatever. You clearly have no intention of addressing the behaviour of Cornacon players. It's not healthy to have such an irrational hatred of Peter Leahy though

I have no intention of replying to somebody who can't debate honestly.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 03:29:15 PM


It's like dealing with a goldfish.

You forget everything said/pointed out previously and keep on insisting manager must go as part of some personal vendetta. Either that or you choose to completely ignore it . You refuse to accept the behaviour of the Carnacon players was even remotely out of order and the manager is some kind of monster who should be banished from the county never to return. 

Players pressuring teammates to quit a panel clearly only acting in the best interests of Mayo football ::) ::)
What nonsense.

You've been repeating the same lie multiple times and are now claiming fantastical things about my view of Peter Leahy.

The simple reality is that when a manager loses 12 players including nine of the 18 players used in last year's All-Ireland final, from different clubs, and within six months of taking over, he has failed in his job, and should go.

Whatever. You clearly have no intention of addressing the behaviour of Cornacon players. It's not healthy to have such an irrational hatred of Peter Leahy though

I have no intention of replying to somebody who can't debate honestly.

Again. See above
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 19, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
write the name "sid wadell" down on a piece of paper

hold the paper up in front of you while looking in a mirror while listening to the three tenors and the name turns into "Cora Staunton"

I take it that you are not very fond of Cora, did she rattle a few goals past you at some stage ?
no issue with her, I'm just saying that sid waddell is CS in disguise. Try what I said and you'll see.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 19, 2018, 03:45:37 PM
Yes, as far as I'm aware, all 26 were part of the original panel. Open to correction on that though.

I'm not here to defend Leahy as a manager although you can read back on the statement by the 26 players to get an idea of what their opinion was. The problem here is bigger than him and you seem to be completely missing that point. NO manager could have dropped those players without them kicking up a stink. That Leahy may have other failings as a manager is beside the point but players being dropped was the catalyst for this fallout.

Isn't it odd that these "player welfare" issues only surfaced when some players were being dropped? Not a single word about them to the players liaison officer previously.  ???
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

It's total hearsay and conjecture that the problems arose because players were dropped. It's pub talk.

Fault and blame here is unlikely to be black and white.

It's very possible the players have overstepped the mark as regards the language they used, and if that is the case, that would be wrong.

Equally, you cannot say that Leahy has done a good job in terms of management of those players. He has manifestly failed in that regard.

Again, equally, the Mayo board have acted in an utterly cack-handed manner, only pouring petrol on the flames of the dispute, seeking to punish and vilify those who walked away, and singling out players from one club in particular.

Ultimately though, nine of the 18 players who got Mayo to an All-Ireland final less than a year ago are more important to the future of Mayo women's football than a manager who, within six months of taking over, has alienated those players to such an extent that they walk away from the team.

Any future Mayo team needs those players available for selection, the same as Limerick needed the players who went on strike in 2010, when they went into 2011. You can't just banish all these players forever like some want.

And whatever happens, Leahy has to go, because Mayo can't tenably move forward under him.

And she mentioned these concerns to whom before players were being dropped off the starting 15? What do you think precipitated the walk out if not players being dropped? Rather than raise their concerns, these players decided to abandon the team and probably hoped everyone would follow. When it didn't happen, they started throwing around some very dangerous language

Whoever the manager after Leahy is (be it next year or after), he/she needs to have free reign in who he selects/drops. If he has that basic element of control as manager after this debacle, then Leahy will have done Mayo football a good service

I think it's a pity that Cora's legacy will be tarnished by this incident, her performances were a source of pride for Mayo football over the past 20 years
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 19, 2018, 03:51:50 PM
How many players were on the Mayo panel before the walkout?

How is any manager that loses so many of his panel doing a competent job?

Not even Holmes and Connelly had players walk out on them mid-championship.

Answer me this: do you think Leahy's management has been competent?

Like, examine what has happened.

Under a different manager the team reached the All-Ireland final the previous year. Under him 2018 was a total fiasco with players walking out en masse because of him.

How is that competent management?

In any other walk of life, there would be no debate - the manager would be sacked for that type of performance, and rightly so.

Yes, as far as I'm aware, all 26 were part of the original panel. Open to correction on that though.

I'm not here to defend Leahy as a manager although you can read back on the statement by the 26 players to get an idea of what their opinion was. The problem here is bigger than him and you seem to be completely missing that point. NO manager could have dropped those players without them kicking up a stink. That Leahy may have other failings as a manager is beside the point but players being dropped was the catalyst for this fallout.

Isn't it odd that these "player welfare" issues only surfaced when some players were being dropped? Not a single word about them to the players liaison officer previously.  ???
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

It's total hearsay and conjecture that the problems arose because players were dropped. It's pub talk.

Fault and blame here is unlikely to be black and white.

It's very possible the players have overstepped the mark as regards the language they used, and if that is the case, that would be wrong.

Equally, you cannot say that Leahy has done a good job in terms of management of those players. He has manifestly failed in that regard.

Again, equally, the Mayo board have acted in an utterly cack-handed manner, only pouring petrol on the flames of the dispute, seeking to punish and vilify those who walked away, and singling out players from one club in particular.

Ultimately though, nine of the 18 players who got Mayo to an All-Ireland final less than a year ago are more important to the future of Mayo women's football than a manager who, within six months of taking over, has alienated those players to such an extent that they walk away from the team.

Any future Mayo team needs those players available for selection, the same as Limerick needed the players who went on strike in 2010, when they went into 2011. You can't just banish all these players forever like some want.

And whatever happens, Leahy has to go, because Mayo can't tenably move forward under him.
Did Sarah voice these concerns to the Player Liaison officer? Or was it after the walk out?  Also who was causing the issues.

But with regards to the bit in bold, no one is that important that the management have to bend over backwards to try and keep onside. There's plenty of players who think they are irreplaceable when in reality they're not. If a player/players become a disruptive influence in the squad then the Mayo team is better off with them not being involved. There is no way you can advocate caving in to player power as the best course of action just to keep the best players on the squad. So it's really a question of who alienated who? Maybe PL was a bad manager and his communication was the cause of the friction, or maybe the Carnacon girls believed they controlled the power and spat the dummy out when a manager refused to back down.  I honestly don't know.
PL might have been a terrible manager, but he might also just have been a strong manager and handled it as best as he could without giving in.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 19, 2018, 03:57:05 PM
Did Sarah voice these concerns to the Player Liaison officer? Or was it after the walk out?  Also who was causing the issues.

But with regards to the bit in bold, no one is that important that the management have to bend over backwards to try and keep onside. There's plenty of players who think they are irreplaceable when in reality they're not. If a player/players become a disruptive influence in the squad then the Mayo team is better off with them not being involved. There is no way you can advocate caving in to player power as the best course of action just to keep the best players on the squad. So it's really a question of who alienated who? Maybe PL was a bad manager and his communication was the cause of the friction, or maybe the Carnacon girls believed they controlled the power and spat the dummy out when a manager refused to back down.  I honestly don't know.
PL might have been a terrible manager, but he might also just have been a strong manager and handled it as best as he could without giving in.

That pretty much sums up my position on it. The reason I'd side more with PL is that he retained the support of 26 panel members and 8/12 who walked were from the one club
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2018, 04:15:03 PM
Did Sarah voice these concerns to the Player Liaison officer? Or was it after the walk out?  Also who was causing the issues.

But with regards to the bit in bold, no one is that important that the management have to bend over backwards to try and keep onside. There's plenty of players who think they are irreplaceable when in reality they're not. If a player/players become a disruptive influence in the squad then the Mayo team is better off with them not being involved. There is no way you can advocate caving in to player power as the best course of action just to keep the best players on the squad. So it's really a question of who alienated who? Maybe PL was a bad manager and his communication was the cause of the friction, or maybe the Carnacon girls believed they controlled the power and spat the dummy out when a manager refused to back down.  I honestly don't know.
PL might have been a terrible manager, but he might also just have been a strong manager and handled it as best as he could without giving in.

That pretty much sums up my position on it. The reason I'd side more with PL is that he retained the support of 26 panel members and 8/12 who walked were from the one club

And my strong hunch is that most of the other Carnacon girls probably have no issue with Leahy at all but have been dragged along by one or two of the other senior girls who do.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: JoG2 on September 19, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
Did Sarah voice these concerns to the Player Liaison officer? Or was it after the walk out?  Also who was causing the issues.

But with regards to the bit in bold, no one is that important that the management have to bend over backwards to try and keep onside. There's plenty of players who think they are irreplaceable when in reality they're not. If a player/players become a disruptive influence in the squad then the Mayo team is better off with them not being involved. There is no way you can advocate caving in to player power as the best course of action just to keep the best players on the squad. So it's really a question of who alienated who? Maybe PL was a bad manager and his communication was the cause of the friction, or maybe the Carnacon girls believed they controlled the power and spat the dummy out when a manager refused to back down.  I honestly don't know.
PL might have been a terrible manager, but he might also just have been a strong manager and handled it as best as he could without giving in.

That pretty much sums up my position on it. The reason I'd side more with PL is that he retained the support of 26 panel members and 8/12 who walked were from the one club

And my strong hunch is that most of the other Carnacon girls probably have no issue with Leahy at all but have been dragged along by one or two of the other senior girls who do.

how many Carnacon players walked and how many were withdrawn by their club (via the phonecall from the Carnacon secretary)?

And again, maybe no-one here knows, but the first pic in the article below, how many of the players are NOT Carnacon? I know the 2 members of the management in the pic are Carnacon

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0918/994464-mayo-ladies-walkout/
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: macdanger2 on September 19, 2018, 04:46:44 PM
Did Sarah voice these concerns to the Player Liaison officer? Or was it after the walk out?  Also who was causing the issues.

But with regards to the bit in bold, no one is that important that the management have to bend over backwards to try and keep onside. There's plenty of players who think they are irreplaceable when in reality they're not. If a player/players become a disruptive influence in the squad then the Mayo team is better off with them not being involved. There is no way you can advocate caving in to player power as the best course of action just to keep the best players on the squad. So it's really a question of who alienated who? Maybe PL was a bad manager and his communication was the cause of the friction, or maybe the Carnacon girls believed they controlled the power and spat the dummy out when a manager refused to back down.  I honestly don't know.
PL might have been a terrible manager, but he might also just have been a strong manager and handled it as best as he could without giving in.

That pretty much sums up my position on it. The reason I'd side more with PL is that he retained the support of 26 panel members and 8/12 who walked were from the one club

And my strong hunch is that most of the other Carnacon girls probably have no issue with Leahy at all but have been dragged along by one or two of the other senior girls who do.

how many Carnacon players walked and how many were withdrawn by their club (via the phonecall from the Carnacon secretary)?

And again, maybe no-one here knows, but the first pic in the article below, how many of the players are NOT Carnacon? I know the 2 members of the management in the pic are Carnacon

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0918/994464-mayo-ladies-walkout/

Four non-Carnacon AFAIK but I wouldn't be 100% on that
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: priceyreilly on September 19, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
That's as clear as mud. You've brought in the dubs/feminism into an internal row which makes no sense. Sure why not go for that trick and make it a civil rights issue. What other issues do you thing you link into this row?

I didn't bring in feminism or the Dubs!  ;D
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 19, 2018, 06:18:49 PM
Yes, as far as I'm aware, all 26 were part of the original panel. Open to correction on that though.

I'm not here to defend Leahy as a manager although you can read back on the statement by the 26 players to get an idea of what their opinion was. The problem here is bigger than him and you seem to be completely missing that point. NO manager could have dropped those players without them kicking up a stink. That Leahy may have other failings as a manager is beside the point but players being dropped was the catalyst for this fallout.

Isn't it odd that these "player welfare" issues only surfaced when some players were being dropped? Not a single word about them to the players liaison officer previously.  ???
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

It's total hearsay and conjecture that the problems arose because players were dropped. It's pub talk.

Fault and blame here is unlikely to be black and white.

It's very possible the players have overstepped the mark as regards the language they used, and if that is the case, that would be wrong.

Equally, you cannot say that Leahy has done a good job in terms of management of those players. He has manifestly failed in that regard.

Again, equally, the Mayo board have acted in an utterly cack-handed manner, only pouring petrol on the flames of the dispute, seeking to punish and vilify those who walked away, and singling out players from one club in particular.

Ultimately though, nine of the 18 players who got Mayo to an All-Ireland final less than a year ago are more important to the future of Mayo women's football than a manager who, within six months of taking over, has alienated those players to such an extent that they walk away from the team.

Any future Mayo team needs those players available for selection, the same as Limerick needed the players who went on strike in 2010, when they went into 2011. You can't just banish all these players forever like some want.

And whatever happens, Leahy has to go, because Mayo can't tenably move forward under him.

And she mentioned these concerns to whom before players were being dropped off the starting 15? What do you think precipitated the walk out if not players being dropped? Rather than raise their concerns, these players decided to abandon the team and probably hoped everyone would follow. When it didn't happen, they started throwing around some very dangerous language

Whoever the manager after Leahy is (be it next year or after), he/she needs to have free reign in who he selects/drops. If he has that basic element of control as manager after this debacle, then Leahy will have done Mayo football a good service

I think it's a pity that Cora's legacy will be tarnished by this incident, her performances were a source of pride for Mayo football over the past 20 years

I don't think that it will,she has been accused of a lot of stuff on here,but it turned out to be a lot of hot air.
If she had refused to answer any questions on OTB , she would be totally in the clear.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on September 19, 2018, 06:59:44 PM

PETER LEAHY HAS called for an end to the Mayo Ladies football controversy and has asked for the public to “lay off comments” towards the players on both sides of the row.

In what he says will be his final comment on the matter, the Mayo boss said the issues highlighted by the departed 14 at a press conference on Monday night are “management-player” issues rather than “player welfare issues”.

“It’s not healthy for anyone to be going over and back when there clearly is a divide on these opinions or interpretations,” Leahy said.

Hearing words like ‘unsafe’ used to describe his management set-up has caused “pain and suffering” for his wife and three children, he added.

Asking for the public comments from both sides to stop, he confirmed his intention to remain in charge for 2019 and said that the door is not closed on those who have left the panel to return to the Mayo squad in the future.

“It must come to an end now, as far as the ‘he-said-she-said’ statements and interviews are concerned anyway,” Leahy said in an email to The42.

“As far as I’m concerned, this is over. All sides have had their say and all that is happening now is we’re giving the public the right to make insulting comments on social media which are hurting a lot of people. It’s even going as far as affecting people’s mental health, it appears, so I’m asking for people to lay off comments to players.

“The only reason I made a comment in the first place was to clarify the wording of ‘unsafe’ or ‘unhealthy’ which has different connotations to ‘player welfare’.

“Player welfare is a very open statement and can mean so many things. For example, the players who left have given reasons and examples of player welfare that the players who stayed, management, and county board think are not player welfare issues but management-player issues.”

Former captain Sarah Tierney was critical of Leahy’s management style and while he did not comment on the specific incidents which Tierney put forward on Monday, he accepted his methods may not suit everyone.

“Players should never get public criticism from management and I would never hit back at any of the comments the players make publicly, no matter how much I think they are wrong or exaggerated.

“As a manager, we expect criticism, we expect people to disagree with our methods or how we do things,” he continued. “We expect everyone to have their slant on things and even embellish the negatives and brush over the positives of your management style.

“That is what we sign up for from the start. As a manager, you know you are not there for pats on the back and you know you’ve got to take a few kicks up the backside. From not picking the right team, to decisions on the day of a match or training methods, rarely will you get 40 people on a panel to agree with you or even like your style or methods.

“As for the viewing public, they are always ready to jump on a manager at any stage. This is what management is about, but it’s also about so much more. It’s about loving what you do, seeing the sense of achievement on players’ faces after a super training session or game or knowing you have helped make someone a better player or achieve something they always wanted to achieve in their sporting careers.

“Yeah, we have hard decisions and we sometimes get them wrong, but once you can stand over your decisions and correct the ones you make mistakes with, then you’re learning, getting better and progressing all the time.”

Leahy admitted his family had been affected by the speculation surrounding the saga and confirmed he plans to remain in charge for 2019.

“As far as the players who have left the panel, I hold no grudges personally and I never asked anyone to leave the panel in the first place. I would be delighted to sit down with anyone who wanted to play for Mayo and discuss with an open and transparent view of them wanting to play for Mayo.

“This is about playing football and anyone wanting to play football for Mayo. I’m the appointed manager and they are welcome to come and play football under my management.

“The county board, the players and the general public have given me great support, but I mostly want to thank my wife and my three children who have gone through so much pain and suffering because of the speculation caused by words like ‘unsafe’ and ‘sensitive nature’.

“As far as the Mayo team are concerned, we won’t be making any more comments on the matter. We are looking forward to 2019 and at the moment we are recruiting and adding to our squad.”
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 19, 2018, 07:12:09 PM

PETER LEAHY HAS called for an end to the Mayo Ladies football controversy and has asked for the public to “lay off comments” towards the players on both sides of the row.

In what he says will be his final comment on the matter, the Mayo boss said the issues highlighted by the departed 14 at a press conference on Monday night are “management-player” issues rather than “player welfare issues”.

“It’s not healthy for anyone to be going over and back when there clearly is a divide on these opinions or interpretations,” Leahy said.

Hearing words like ‘unsafe’ used to describe his management set-up has caused “pain and suffering” for his wife and three children, he added.

Asking for the public comments from both sides to stop, he confirmed his intention to remain in charge for 2019 and said that the door is not closed on those who have left the panel to return to the Mayo squad in the future.

“It must come to an end now, as far as the ‘he-said-she-said’ statements and interviews are concerned anyway,” Leahy said in an email to The42.

“As far as I’m concerned, this is over. All sides have had their say and all that is happening now is we’re giving the public the right to make insulting comments on social media which are hurting a lot of people. It’s even going as far as affecting people’s mental health, it appears, so I’m asking for people to lay off comments to players.

“The only reason I made a comment in the first place was to clarify the wording of ‘unsafe’ or ‘unhealthy’ which has different connotations to ‘player welfare’.

“Player welfare is a very open statement and can mean so many things. For example, the players who left have given reasons and examples of player welfare that the players who stayed, management, and county board think are not player welfare issues but management-player issues.”

Former captain Sarah Tierney was critical of Leahy’s management style and while he did not comment on the specific incidents which Tierney put forward on Monday, he accepted his methods may not suit everyone.

“Players should never get public criticism from management and I would never hit back at any of the comments the players make publicly, no matter how much I think they are wrong or exaggerated.

“As a manager, we expect criticism, we expect people to disagree with our methods or how we do things,” he continued. “We expect everyone to have their slant on things and even embellish the negatives and brush over the positives of your management style.

“That is what we sign up for from the start. As a manager, you know you are not there for pats on the back and you know you’ve got to take a few kicks up the backside. From not picking the right team, to decisions on the day of a match or training methods, rarely will you get 40 people on a panel to agree with you or even like your style or methods.

“As for the viewing public, they are always ready to jump on a manager at any stage. This is what management is about, but it’s also about so much more. It’s about loving what you do, seeing the sense of achievement on players’ faces after a super training session or game or knowing you have helped make someone a better player or achieve something they always wanted to achieve in their sporting careers.

“Yeah, we have hard decisions and we sometimes get them wrong, but once you can stand over your decisions and correct the ones you make mistakes with, then you’re learning, getting better and progressing all the time.”

Leahy admitted his family had been affected by the speculation surrounding the saga and confirmed he plans to remain in charge for 2019.

“As far as the players who have left the panel, I hold no grudges personally and I never asked anyone to leave the panel in the first place. I would be delighted to sit down with anyone who wanted to play for Mayo and discuss with an open and transparent view of them wanting to play for Mayo.

“This is about playing football and anyone wanting to play football for Mayo. I’m the appointed manager and they are welcome to come and play football under my management.

“The county board, the players and the general public have given me great support, but I mostly want to thank my wife and my three children who have gone through so much pain and suffering because of the speculation caused by words like ‘unsafe’ and ‘sensitive nature’.

“As far as the Mayo team are concerned, we won’t be making any more comments on the matter. We are looking forward to 2019 and at the moment we are recruiting and adding to our squad.”

Sounds like my wife , always wants to have the last word !
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 19, 2018, 07:38:22 PM

PETER LEAHY HAS called for an end to the Mayo Ladies football controversy and has asked for the public to “lay off comments” towards the players on both sides of the row.

In what he says will be his final comment on the matter, the Mayo boss said the issues highlighted by the departed 14 at a press conference on Monday night are “management-player” issues rather than “player welfare issues”.

“It’s not healthy for anyone to be going over and back when there clearly is a divide on these opinions or interpretations,” Leahy said.

Hearing words like ‘unsafe’ used to describe his management set-up has caused “pain and suffering” for his wife and three children, he added.

Asking for the public comments from both sides to stop, he confirmed his intention to remain in charge for 2019 and said that the door is not closed on those who have left the panel to return to the Mayo squad in the future.

“It must come to an end now, as far as the ‘he-said-she-said’ statements and interviews are concerned anyway,” Leahy said in an email to The42.

“As far as I’m concerned, this is over. All sides have had their say and all that is happening now is we’re giving the public the right to make insulting comments on social media which are hurting a lot of people. It’s even going as far as affecting people’s mental health, it appears, so I’m asking for people to lay off comments to players.

“The only reason I made a comment in the first place was to clarify the wording of ‘unsafe’ or ‘unhealthy’ which has different connotations to ‘player welfare’.

“Player welfare is a very open statement and can mean so many things. For example, the players who left have given reasons and examples of player welfare that the players who stayed, management, and county board think are not player welfare issues but management-player issues.”

Former captain Sarah Tierney was critical of Leahy’s management style and while he did not comment on the specific incidents which Tierney put forward on Monday, he accepted his methods may not suit everyone.

“Players should never get public criticism from management and I would never hit back at any of the comments the players make publicly, no matter how much I think they are wrong or exaggerated.

“As a manager, we expect criticism, we expect people to disagree with our methods or how we do things,” he continued. “We expect everyone to have their slant on things and even embellish the negatives and brush over the positives of your management style.

“That is what we sign up for from the start. As a manager, you know you are not there for pats on the back and you know you’ve got to take a few kicks up the backside. From not picking the right team, to decisions on the day of a match or training methods, rarely will you get 40 people on a panel to agree with you or even like your style or methods.

“As for the viewing public, they are always ready to jump on a manager at any stage. This is what management is about, but it’s also about so much more. It’s about loving what you do, seeing the sense of achievement on players’ faces after a super training session or game or knowing you have helped make someone a better player or achieve something they always wanted to achieve in their sporting careers.

“Yeah, we have hard decisions and we sometimes get them wrong, but once you can stand over your decisions and correct the ones you make mistakes with, then you’re learning, getting better and progressing all the time.”

Leahy admitted his family had been affected by the speculation surrounding the saga and confirmed he plans to remain in charge for 2019.

“As far as the players who have left the panel, I hold no grudges personally and I never asked anyone to leave the panel in the first place. I would be delighted to sit down with anyone who wanted to play for Mayo and discuss with an open and transparent view of them wanting to play for Mayo.

“This is about playing football and anyone wanting to play football for Mayo. I’m the appointed manager and they are welcome to come and play football under my management.

“The county board, the players and the general public have given me great support, but I mostly want to thank my wife and my three children who have gone through so much pain and suffering because of the speculation caused by words like ‘unsafe’ and ‘sensitive nature’.

“As far as the Mayo team are concerned, we won’t be making any more comments on the matter. We are looking forward to 2019 and at the moment we are recruiting and adding to our squad.”

Sounds like my wife , always wants to have the last word !

Ok I know you're just wumming but I'll bite.

When the players claimed playing for Mayo was an unsafe environment this whole saga exploded. They still haven't withdrawn or expanded on that statement.

You can't say s**t like anymore with explaining or expanding on the comment. I don't know were Peter Leahy and his family are from but I can only imagine how those comments must have affected him in his work and personal life. Everyone talking about it with him and his family it must have been a nightmare. The cheek of the Mayo girls to claim this issue has caused them problems after Cora threw the grenade with her comments is pure hypocrisy.

At least he is trying to solve the issue. The mayo girls are throwing out issues in press releases that they didn't even discuss previously with the co board or player welfare officer. How does that make any sense?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on September 19, 2018, 08:35:47 PM
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

Yet the liaison officer was never approached.

Your head is, as usual, firmly lodged up yer...
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 19, 2018, 11:41:07 PM
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

Yet the liaison officer was never approached.

Your head is, as usual, firmly lodged up yer...

Ah yes, the good old Liason Office.
She would have waved her magic wand and solved everything , as happened so many times before !
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trileacman on September 20, 2018, 12:11:04 AM
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: OffTheDeck on September 20, 2018, 01:22:53 AM
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

Yet the liaison officer was never approached.

Your head is, as usual, firmly lodged up yer...

Ah yes, the good old Liason Office.
She would have waved her magic wand and solved everything , as happened so many times before !
Maybe Sarah thought her pal sid waddell Cora was the liaison officer and that’s how we’ve ended up here?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: LeoMc on September 20, 2018, 07:21:16 AM
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

Yet the liaison officer was never approached.

Your head is, as usual, firmly lodged up yer...

Ah yes, the good old Liason Office.
She would have waved her magic wand and solved everything , as happened so many times before !
Maybe the Liaison officer would not have resolved the issue but there would be a record or it and the current complaint list would not look like it was made up 3 months later.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: trueblue1234 on September 20, 2018, 08:55:47 AM
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

Yet the liaison officer was never approached.

Your head is, as usual, firmly lodged up yer...

Ah yes, the good old Liason Office.
She would have waved her magic wand and solved everything , as happened so many times before !

The fact she didn't bring the complaints through the proper channels at the time reflects badly imo. It's too easy to come up with complaints afterwards to justify the actions. But if she took no action to try and resolve them before walking out weeks before a game then, I'm sorry, but it looks like they have thrown the toys out of the pram and are now trying to justify why the toys are lying on the ground.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 20, 2018, 09:05:54 AM
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.

If you go back through the thread you will find that that hoary old chestnut has been recycled to death.
Ultimately,its time to find another stick to beat them with.


Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 20, 2018, 09:19:22 AM


It's like dealing with a goldfish.

You forget everything said/pointed out previously and keep on insisting manager must go as part of some personal vendetta. Either that or you choose to completely ignore it . You refuse to accept the behaviour of the Carnacon players was even remotely out of order and the manager is some kind of monster who should be banished from the county never to return. 

Players pressuring teammates to quit a panel clearly only acting in the best interests of Mayo football ::) ::)
What nonsense.

You've been repeating the same lie multiple times and are now claiming fantastical things about my view of Peter Leahy.

The simple reality is that when a manager loses 12 players including nine of the 18 players used in last year's All-Ireland final, from different clubs, and within six months of taking over, he has failed in his job, and should go.

Whatever. You clearly have no intention of addressing the behaviour of Cornacon players. It's not healthy to have such an irrational hatred of Peter Leahy though
Yeah, you'd think he was, I dunno, related to one of the players or something.....
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 20, 2018, 09:25:58 AM
You clearly didn't listen to Sarah Tierney, who had been having issues with Leahy since January.

Yet the liaison officer was never approached.

Your head is, as usual, firmly lodged up yer...

Ah yes, the good old Liason Office.
She would have waved her magic wand and solved everything , as happened so many times before !

Yeah, and if there was no liaison officer you'd be bleating about that. They even brought a professional mediator but I suppose when all your really mediating is "he wont let us pick the team" but saying other things it would be hard to get anywhere in mediation.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 20, 2018, 09:28:37 AM
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.

If you go back through the thread you will find that that hoary old chestnut has been recycled to death.
Ultimately,its time to find another stick to beat them with.
"Hoary old chestnut", that's the crux of the argument you clown. Character assassination in public forums with nothing to back it up. The rest of it is noise at this stage
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 20, 2018, 09:41:38 AM
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.


If you go back through the thread you will find that that hoary old chestnut has been recycled to death.
Ultimately,its time to find another stick to beat them with.
"Hoary old chestnut", that's the crux of the argument you clown. Character assassination in public forums with nothing to back it up. The rest of it is noise at this stage

You made a fool of yourself here yesterday as well,keep it up.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 20, 2018, 10:29:34 AM
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.


If you go back through the thread you will find that that hoary old chestnut has been recycled to death.
Ultimately,its time to find another stick to beat them with.
"Hoary old chestnut", that's the crux of the argument you clown. Character assassination in public forums with nothing to back it up. The rest of it is noise at this stage

You made a fool of yourself here yesterday as well,keep it up.
that really hurt my feelings, I'm now concerned for my welfare and mental health. I think you have created an unsafe environment here halfquarter, I need to leave. Let me get Ger Gilroy, Sinead Kissane and the rest of the right on gang into a presser till I announce this.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Keyser soze on September 20, 2018, 10:51:10 AM
The players who made those statements have behaved despicably in my view. They have made insinuations without a single shred of evidence to back it up at this point, it was clear there was a nudge nudge wink wink sexual slant to their allegations with the use of the words 'unsafe environment'. They had the opportunity to state that this was not the case and chose not to do so thus confirming that it was intentional on their part. To also play the 'this is affecting our mental health' card is another really really low thing to do.

I think there should be a full scale investigation conducted into this matter and if people are found to have made baseless allegations they should be held to account most severely.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: rosnarun on September 20, 2018, 10:59:03 AM
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.


If you go back through the thread you will find that that hoary old chestnut has been recycled to death.
Ultimately,its time to find another stick to beat them with.
"Hoary old chestnut", that's the crux of the argument you clown. Character assassination in public forums with nothing to back it up. The rest of it is noise at this stage

You made a fool of yourself here yesterday as well,keep it up.
that really hurt my feelings, I'm now concerned for my welfare and mental health. I think you have created an unsafe environment here halfquarter, I need to leave. Let me get Ger Gilroy, Sinead Kissane and the rest of the right on gang into a presser till I announce this.

every one know if you repeat a trith on the internet 3 times it becomes untrue and worse make you boring
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Halfquarter on September 20, 2018, 11:08:01 AM
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.


If you go back through the thread you will find that that hoary old chestnut has been recycled to death.
Ultimately,its time to find another stick to beat them with.
"Hoary old chestnut", that's the crux of the argument you clown. Character assassination in public forums with nothing to back it up. The rest of it is noise at this stage

You made a fool of yourself here yesterday as well,keep it up.
that really hurt my feelings, I'm now concerned for my welfare and mental health. I think you have created an unsafe environment here halfquarter, I need to leave. Let me get Ger Gilroy, Sinead Kissane and the rest of the right on gang into a presser till I announce this.

Not before you contact the much revered 'Liaison Officer', I hope.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 20, 2018, 11:14:59 AM
The players clearly started the public mud slinging in this affair and should shoulder more of the blame. If they wanted to say to Leahy in private that it was an unsafe environment they could have. In a public statement though it should been stated that there was a difference of opinion or dissatisfaction with his management style.

To state it was due to an “unsafe environment” that insinuates a serious offence when it comes to a male manager presiding over female players is a disgusting course of action. It was an deliberate attempt to publicly subvert confidence in Leahy.


If you go back through the thread you will find that that hoary old chestnut has been recycled to death.
Ultimately,its time to find another stick to beat them with.
"Hoary old chestnut", that's the crux of the argument you clown. Character assassination in public forums with nothing to back it up. The rest of it is noise at this stage

You made a fool of yourself here yesterday as well,keep it up.
that really hurt my feelings, I'm now concerned for my welfare and mental health. I think you have created an unsafe environment here halfquarter, I need to leave. Let me get Ger Gilroy, Sinead Kissane and the rest of the right on gang into a presser till I announce this.

Not before you contact the much revered 'Liaison Officer', I hope.
;D She didn't return my calls for some reason
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owen Brannigan on September 20, 2018, 02:29:58 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html)
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 20, 2018, 02:43:34 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html)

Is Jinxy Ewan MacKenna?

Mostly agree but the derisive reference to ‘crusades’ does an incredible injustice to the countless cases in recent years where such efforts were full justified, situations where society would have swept things under the rug as always had it been in the past.

I’d also argue the Cora/Tierney group have been met with a very, very muted response both in the LGFA and in the media in general, published or social. It flies in the face of the idea he puts out there of an overreaction.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: dublin7 on September 20, 2018, 03:21:06 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html)

Is Jinxy Ewan MacKenna?

Mostly agree but the derisive reference to ‘crusades’ does an incredible injustice to the countless cases in recent years where such efforts were full justified, situations where society would have swept things under the rug as always had it been in the past.

I’d also argue the Cora/Tierney group have been met with a very, very muted response both in the LGFA and in the media in general, published or social. It flies in the face of the idea he puts out there of an overreaction.

Maybe I'm being cynical but the only pieces I've read that were in support of the girls were written by Jaqui Hurley on rte website, Sinead Kissane in the independent and Mary Hanningan in today's Irish Times.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Owenmoresider on September 20, 2018, 03:38:08 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html)

Is Jinxy Ewan MacKenna?

Mostly agree but the derisive reference to ‘crusades’ does an incredible injustice to the countless cases in recent years where such efforts were full justified, situations where society would have swept things under the rug as always had it been in the past.

I’d also argue the Cora/Tierney group have been met with a very, very muted response both in the LGFA and in the media in general, published or social. It flies in the face of the idea he puts out there of an overreaction.

Maybe I'm being cynical but the only pieces I've read that were in support of the girls were written by Jaqui Hurley on rte website, Sinead Kissane in the independent and Mary Hanningan in today's Irish Times.
Isn't it convenient that they then were apparently the only journos in attendance at their press conference the other night?
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: iorras on September 20, 2018, 03:50:22 PM
I think there is a very blinkered view on situations like this from some women. While there is no doubt there is an issue with gender imbalance, sexism and misogamism in some organizations and walks of life its not everywhere and shouldn't be presumed to be the root cause of stated problems just because the protagonists are of different sexes and the boss is a man . Some of those journalists are normally quiet balanced but reported on this as a crusade with only one side to it rather than a story that required research.
There were similar comments on twitter, I know, not exactly a good barometer of sanity, but they were all in the vein of "men bad" "women good" irrespective of what the facts might be showing. That's a dangerous road to be going down.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Syferus on September 20, 2018, 03:54:51 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/ewan-mackenna-women-in-sport-have-been-fighting-hard-for-parity-clearly-on-this-occasion-it-didnt-suit-some-37334309.html)

Is Jinxy Ewan MacKenna?

Mostly agree but the derisive reference to ‘crusades’ does an incredible injustice to the countless cases in recent years where such efforts were full justified, situations where society would have swept things under the rug as always had it been in the past.

I’d also argue the Cora/Tierney group have been met with a very, very muted response both in the LGFA and in the media in general, published or social. It flies in the face of the idea he puts out there of an overreaction.

Maybe I'm being cynical but the only pieces I've read that were in support of the girls were written by Jaqui Hurley on rte website, Sinead Kissane in the independent and Mary Hanningan in today's Irish Times.
Isn't it convenient that they then were apparently the only journos in attendance at their press conference the other night?

Jaqui Hurley’s report was essentially a by-the-blows account of what was said at that press conference so I’d caution that it may be posters own biases showing on this one rather than her’s. In general she’s an excellent host and reporter, by the way.

And by the same token Kissane’s writing has rarely been alarmist either, usually making more sensible points than most columnists.

Just because the Carnacon axis tried to stack the deck by only inviting those two journalists it shouldn’t reflect negatively on them. They were just covering a story.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: Jinxy on September 20, 2018, 05:18:39 PM
The reporting on this has been pretty measured in general.
Title: Re: Row in Mayo LGFA
Post by: From the Bunker on September 20, 2018, 06:45:48 PM
The reporting on this has been pretty measured in general.

The media are afraid to side with the wrong party and understandably so. Every commentary has been vague its explanation of the situation and what happened.

Cora has been doing the mé féin gig (with no real return) on the playing field for up to 8 years now and damaging player after player who stand beside her in the forwards. Yet there has been little or no media commentary on this. So I don't see why anyone would be surprised by no off field antics being commented by the media either.