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Title: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on April 25, 2018, 07:46:37 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0425/957207-frantic-new-format-makes-championship-an-injury-lottery/
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 12, 2018, 07:52:08 PM
Offaly giving a rousing show v Galway against the wind but a goal just before half time hurts. 2-9 to 1-7 to the All Ireland Champions at the break.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 12, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
I can't believe Galway scored 2 goals
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 12, 2018, 08:35:20 PM
They didnít. They scored 5. 5-18 to 2-15. A decent Offaly performance for 60 minutes or so but Galway goals were hammer blows and came too easy. Offaly keeper made some good saves too. Still not a terrible start for Offaly and at least they had a go. Survive Kilkenny next week with morale intact and give Wexford and Dublin a right lash.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 12, 2018, 08:53:02 PM
They didnít. They scored 5. 5-18 to 2-15. A decent Offaly performance for 60 minutes or so but Galway goals were hammer blows and came too easy. Offaly keeper made some good saves too. Still not a terrible start for Offaly and at least they had a go. Survive Kilkenny next week with morale intact and give Wexford and Dublin a right lash.
Last year it was 33 points to 1-11 so the goals are a big development. I think they only scored 2 in last year's championship.

Offaly should give the next few matches a good lash. Kevin Martin seems to be doing good work.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Avondhu star on May 12, 2018, 11:59:22 PM
Offaly are doing their bit at underage level and hopefully this will come through over the next few years.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 14, 2018, 10:39:27 AM
Dubs come up short against a misfiring KK.

Gilroy's charges gave it a right good rattle, but not scoring for large parts of the second half took its toll.
Thought the final Kilkenny goal was harsh on the dubs corner back as it looked like he was fouled just before being dispossessed.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: NAG1 on May 14, 2018, 12:24:22 PM
Dubs come up short against a misfiring KK.

Gilroy's charges gave it a right good rattle, but not scoring for large parts of the second half took its toll.
Thought the final Kilkenny goal was harsh on the dubs corner back as it looked like he was fouled just before being dispossessed.

He was fouled surely, refs seem to be very guarded when giving free against KK. Numerous times in the game he gave frees to KK which were debatable.

Any way as you say they ran out of steam and scoring power just at the wrong time. The three missed frees (unheard of at this level) really came back to bite them.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Premier Emperor on May 14, 2018, 01:28:15 PM
Brian Cody is leading a charmed life.
He just about got away with leaving out Colin Fennelly and Paul Murphy.

Joey Holden must be the worst player to ever tog out for the black and amber shites.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: NAG1 on May 14, 2018, 01:53:43 PM
Brian Cody is leading a charmed life.
He just about got away with leaving out Colin Fennelly and Paul Murphy.

Joey Holden must be the worst player to ever tog out for the black and amber shites.

He has seriously gone backwards since his introduction to the team, yesterday he stood out as a weak link, cant see him surviving much further into the summer if his form doesnt pick up.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: The Wedger on May 14, 2018, 07:42:31 PM
How many steps was Liam Rushe allowed to take for the Dublin goals?
The game is becoming a mess to referee.

Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 14, 2018, 11:28:40 PM
How many steps was Liam Rushe allowed to take for the Dublin goals?
The game is becoming a mess to referee.
he took a lot
walter gets away with a lot of steps as well
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 15, 2018, 10:22:08 AM
How many steps was Liam Rushe allowed to take for the Dublin goals?
The game is becoming a mess to referee.

Initially it looked like the referee was going to call out the pulling and dragging and was awarding frees for it, but as the game wore on the ref reverted to type and then allowed the arm across "tackle" and the odd spurious hit.
Overcarrying is linked to pulling and dragging and both need refereed consistently to bring the tackle back to some semblance of normality.

Maybe the crowd moaning everytime he blew for a free had an affect on him, but Wille Barretts words the other day haven't made it onto the field of play as yet.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 15, 2018, 10:23:10 AM
Brian Cody is leading a charmed life.
He just about got away with leaving out Colin Fennelly and Paul Murphy.

Joey Holden must be the worst player to ever tog out for the black and amber shites.

He has seriously gone backwards since his introduction to the team, yesterday he stood out as a weak link, cant see him surviving much further into the summer if his form doesnt pick up.

Roll lifting when out on his own and missing it, don't see that much at intercounty level.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 15, 2018, 09:54:47 PM
How many steps was Liam Rushe allowed to take for the Dublin goals?
The game is becoming a mess to referee.

Initially it looked like the referee was going to call out the pulling and dragging and was awarding frees for it, but as the game wore on the ref reverted to type and then allowed the arm across "tackle" and the odd spurious hit.
Overcarrying is linked to pulling and dragging and both need refereed consistently to bring the tackle back to some semblance of normality.

Maybe the crowd moaning everytime he blew for a free had an affect on him, but Wille Barretts words the other day haven't made it onto the field of play as yet.
Good to see someone talking sense and not blinded by the usual ' manly game' sh1te talk from certain hurling folk
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 16, 2018, 10:24:49 AM
How many steps was Liam Rushe allowed to take for the Dublin goals?
The game is becoming a mess to referee.

Initially it looked like the referee was going to call out the pulling and dragging and was awarding frees for it, but as the game wore on the ref reverted to type and then allowed the arm across "tackle" and the odd spurious hit.
Overcarrying is linked to pulling and dragging and both need refereed consistently to bring the tackle back to some semblance of normality.

Maybe the crowd moaning everytime he blew for a free had an affect on him, but Wille Barretts words the other day haven't made it onto the field of play as yet.
Good to see someone talking sense and not blinded by the usual ' manly game' sh1te talk from certain hurling folk

Oh, I'm all for manly hurling, but putting the arm across someone's chest and neck isn't manly, it's cynical shit that needs outlawed.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 16, 2018, 10:43:23 AM
How many steps was Liam Rushe allowed to take for the Dublin goals?
The game is becoming a mess to referee.

Initially it looked like the referee was going to call out the pulling and dragging and was awarding frees for it, but as the game wore on the ref reverted to type and then allowed the arm across "tackle" and the odd spurious hit.
Overcarrying is linked to pulling and dragging and both need refereed consistently to bring the tackle back to some semblance of normality.

Maybe the crowd moaning everytime he blew for a free had an affect on him, but Wille Barretts words the other day haven't made it onto the field of play as yet.
Good to see someone talking sense and not blinded by the usual ' manly game' sh1te talk from certain hurling folk

Oh, I'm all for manly hurling, but putting the arm across someone's chest and neck isn't manly, it's cynical shit that needs outlawed.
I was reading about soccer in Belgium. The difference between the top and next division. The latter is less tactical and more physical.
Maybe the JMC is the same.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 16, 2018, 11:11:45 AM
Munster Championship Week 1 this Sunday. Looking forward to it, heading into the Gaelic Grounds for Tipp and Limerick. Weather is not going to be good it looks like, but it should be a good tussle. I'd actually expect Limerick to prevail in this one. The conditions will suit a high intensity game, and they have the hurlers to punish Tipperary.

Clare and Cork on as well this Sunday. Down in the park. Hard to know how this will go. I think Clare may have already peaked with this bunch a few years ago. Cork seem to be coming again, so I think they may have enough below in Cork.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 16, 2018, 11:36:13 AM
Tipp should just get over the line, regardless of the venue, though if Tipp go into that lull they have ten they lose that momentum and in those games its very hard to get it back or slow down the other team..

What Cork team will show up? Clare well capable of beating them but not sure they know their best team, whereas Cork come Championship are a different team.. two very difficult games to predict TBH

But good viewing for the fans, hopefully the weather isnt the factor in the games considering how good the weather is at the mniute, its dry up till Sunday but saying some light showers, the ground should be hard enough so may not impact badly
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 16, 2018, 11:43:39 AM
Munster Championship Week 1 this Sunday. Looking forward to it, heading into the Gaelic Grounds for Tipp and Limerick. Weather is not going to be good it looks like, but it should be a good tussle. I'd actually expect Limerick to prevail in this one. The conditions will suit a high intensity game, and they have the hurlers to punish Tipperary.

Clare and Cork on as well this Sunday. Down in the park. Hard to know how this will go. I think Clare may have already peaked with this bunch a few years ago. Cork seem to be coming again, so I think they may have enough below in Cork.

Tipp have serious firepower and a lot of the Limerick lads are new to this level and may take a game or two to find their feet. Forde and Callanan in the full forward line will need some watching, not to mention the McGraths as well. Still need a dog or two in there for the heavy lifting and Bonner Maher is a bit hit and miss ATM. Still think Tipp will do it by the odd point in 3. Limerick will still make the third or second spot theirs as you rightly point out that Clare seem to be reliant on a lot of the regulars still and they haven't really produced for a year or two.
I really don't rate Cork and think they've big holes in their defence which can be exploited like Waterford did in Croke Park last August.
If Conlan or Duggan are played close to the Cork goals, neither Cadogan or Cahalane will handle them in the air, problem is Shane O'Donnell is meant to be injured and he'd get goals feeding off either of those two lads and he's a big loss.
It's also hard to see Clare being as generous with the space afforded to the Cork forwards in the Munster final last year, really was crazy. Maybe they got caught up too much in counteracting Nash's puck outs that they left the back door open.

I think Clare will win on Sunday down in Cork but both will lose out to the other three at the final turn.

I just think Waterford, Limerick and Tipp have more at their disposal in terms of panels to see them through although Waterford doesn't seem to be a happy camp.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: LooseCannon on May 16, 2018, 05:50:50 PM
Munster Championship Week 1 this Sunday. Looking forward to it, heading into the Gaelic Grounds for Tipp and Limerick. Weather is not going to be good it looks like, but it should be a good tussle. I'd actually expect Limerick to prevail in this one. The conditions will suit a high intensity game, and they have the hurlers to punish Tipperary.

Clare and Cork on as well this Sunday. Down in the park. Hard to know how this will go. I think Clare may have already peaked with this bunch a few years ago. Cork seem to be coming again, so I think they may have enough below in Cork.
Feck that, go to the Offaly game.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on May 17, 2018, 08:14:33 AM
Munster Championship Week 1 this Sunday. Looking forward to it, heading into the Gaelic Grounds for Tipp and Limerick. Weather is not going to be good it looks like, but it should be a good tussle. I'd actually expect Limerick to prevail in this one. The conditions will suit a high intensity game, and they have the hurlers to punish Tipperary.

Clare and Cork on as well this Sunday. Down in the park. Hard to know how this will go. I think Clare may have already peaked with this bunch a few years ago. Cork seem to be coming again, so I think they may have enough below in Cork.

Tipp have serious firepower and a lot of the Limerick lads are new to this level and may take a game or two to find their feet. Forde and Callanan in the full forward line will need some watching, not to mention the McGraths as well. Still need a dog or two in there for the heavy lifting and Bonner Maher is a bit hit and miss ATM. Still think Tipp will do it by the odd point in 3. Limerick will still make the third or second spot theirs as you rightly point out that Clare seem to be reliant on a lot of the regulars still and they haven't really produced for a year or two.
I really don't rate Cork and think they've big holes in their defence which can be exploited like Waterford did in Croke Park last August.
If Conlan or Duggan are played close to the Cork goals, neither Cadogan or Cahalane will handle them in the air, problem is Shane O'Donnell is meant to be injured and he'd get goals feeding off either of those two lads and he's a big loss.
It's also hard to see Clare being as generous with the space afforded to the Cork forwards in the Munster final last year, really was crazy. Maybe they got caught up too much in counteracting Nash's puck outs that they left the back door open.

I think Clare will win on Sunday down in Cork but both will lose out to the other three at the final turn.

I just think Waterford, Limerick and Tipp have more at their disposal in terms of panels to see them through although Waterford doesn't seem to be a happy camp.

Clare were in the game against Cork right to the end last year.  This was despite the shite hawking with puckouts etc and giving up a soft goal.  If they play their own game and keep it up for longer spells than they did in the League then they can win.   They played Wexford last week and apparently were very dynamic.

They are also very focused on home games.  Limerick have to come to Ennis in last game.  If Clare are still in the mix at that stage Limerick will be hard-put to beat them.

I think Clare v. Waterford might be a decider as to who ends up in bottom two.

That said it could be a group with surprising results and likely to go right to the wire.

/Jim.

Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 17, 2018, 07:26:14 PM
Offaly have a few nice hurlers. I hope the next few weeks go well for them because I think hurling has missed them over the last few years. A couple of years of progress could really bring them on.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 18, 2018, 09:49:22 AM
Munster Championship Week 1 this Sunday. Looking forward to it, heading into the Gaelic Grounds for Tipp and Limerick. Weather is not going to be good it looks like, but it should be a good tussle. I'd actually expect Limerick to prevail in this one. The conditions will suit a high intensity game, and they have the hurlers to punish Tipperary.

Clare and Cork on as well this Sunday. Down in the park. Hard to know how this will go. I think Clare may have already peaked with this bunch a few years ago. Cork seem to be coming again, so I think they may have enough below in Cork.

Tipp have serious firepower and a lot of the Limerick lads are new to this level and may take a game or two to find their feet. Forde and Callanan in the full forward line will need some watching, not to mention the McGraths as well. Still need a dog or two in there for the heavy lifting and Bonner Maher is a bit hit and miss ATM. Still think Tipp will do it by the odd point in 3. Limerick will still make the third or second spot theirs as you rightly point out that Clare seem to be reliant on a lot of the regulars still and they haven't really produced for a year or two.
I really don't rate Cork and think they've big holes in their defence which can be exploited like Waterford did in Croke Park last August.
If Conlan or Duggan are played close to the Cork goals, neither Cadogan or Cahalane will handle them in the air, problem is Shane O'Donnell is meant to be injured and he'd get goals feeding off either of those two lads and he's a big loss.
It's also hard to see Clare being as generous with the space afforded to the Cork forwards in the Munster final last year, really was crazy. Maybe they got caught up too much in counteracting Nash's puck outs that they left the back door open.

I think Clare will win on Sunday down in Cork but both will lose out to the other three at the final turn.

I just think Waterford, Limerick and Tipp have more at their disposal in terms of panels to see them through although Waterford doesn't seem to be a happy camp.

Clare were in the game against Cork right to the end last year.  This was despite the shite hawking with puckouts etc and giving up a soft goal.  If they play their own game and keep it up for longer spells than they did in the League then they can win.   They played Wexford last week and apparently were very dynamic.

They are also very focused on home games.  Limerick have to come to Ennis in last game.  If Clare are still in the mix at that stage Limerick will be hard-put to beat them.

I think Clare v. Waterford might be a decider as to who ends up in bottom two.

That said it could be a group with surprising results and likely to go right to the wire.

/Jim.

I'd agree with that Jim, Clare lacked confidence to go head on at Cork or maybe Donal O'g, was trying to be too much of a smart arse with tactics;


http://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/gerry-connor-ready-for-huge-year/ (http://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/gerry-connor-ready-for-huge-year/)

""Thatís what you are trying to replicate in training. Last year, we may have focused more on Cork than we did on ourselves." Clare's first provincial challenge this year is Cork in Pairc Ui Chaoimh."
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 18, 2018, 05:57:37 PM
This is a big year for Tipp. They were very close last year
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Ball Hopper on May 18, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
So who will be the bottom two in Munster?  Waterford will find it difficult to be in the top three, with no home games.  I think the loser of the Cork/Clare game could also be fourth at best...at a push I'd say Clare and Waterford to miss out.

Dublin and Offaly would be the most likely bottom two in Leinster.

What say the experts on here?
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 19, 2018, 12:26:33 AM
Armagh are plus twenty tomorrow v Derry, + 20!! Have I missed something?
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Boycey on May 19, 2018, 10:45:41 PM
They covered the handicap by 1 beaten by 19.....
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 19, 2018, 10:49:35 PM
Must say that my initial anger has subsided regards the lack of football on tv. Looking forward to tomorrow. Tipp to win and a draw in the other one.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 01:14:21 AM
They covered the handicap by 1 beaten by 19.....

Iím glad they did! I was at my sisters daughters communion today!back my previous winnings on Armagh +20! At half time Armagh were winning by 5 ! Money in the bank my arse! Weird game
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Minder on May 20, 2018, 09:06:35 AM
They covered the handicap by 1 beaten by 19.....

Iím glad they did! I was at my sisters daughters communion today!back my previous winnings on Armagh +20! At half time Armagh were winning by 5 ! Money in the bank my arse! Weird game

Yer niece  ;)
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 10:09:30 AM
They covered the handicap by 1 beaten by 19.....

Iím glad they did! I was at my sisters daughters communion today!back my previous winnings on Armagh +20! At half time Armagh were winning by 5 ! Money in the bank my arse! Weird game

Yer niece  ;)

Couldnít spell niece  ;D
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 02:23:42 PM
So who will be the bottom two in Munster?  Waterford will find it difficult to be in the top three, with no home games.  I think the loser of the Cork/Clare game could also be fourth at best...at a push I'd say Clare and Waterford to miss out.

Dublin and Offaly would be the most likely bottom two in Leinster.

What say the experts on here?
Surely Waterford, beaten finalists last year, are better than Clare and Limerick
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 02:37:54 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0520/964787-hurling-championship-updates/
Limerick 0-11 Tipperary 1-09

33 mins Four points from play for Mulcahy now after a brilliant catch by Kyle Hayes. Hickey penalised again at the other end though and Forde now has six frees to his name.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 02:43:12 PM
John Fogarty‏ @JohnFogartyIrl ∑ 3 min



HT: Limerick 0-12 Tipperary 1-10. Tipperary living so dangerously yet are ahead. Limerick giving away silly frees. #GAA

Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: OgraAnDun on May 20, 2018, 03:08:45 PM
Bar the period of play immediately prior to the Tipp goal, this match has been fairly flat so far.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 03:15:41 PM
The round robin thing possibly making it more of a cagey affair I feel
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2018, 03:36:14 PM
Tipp poor in the second half. They were lucky in the first half Limerick missed so many.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 20, 2018, 03:36:27 PM
Needed a late goal to seal the win however a deserved win for Limerick. 24 scores to 16.

Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 03:37:23 PM
Great win for Limerick
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: From the Bunker on May 20, 2018, 03:41:27 PM
Yawn!
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on May 20, 2018, 04:24:12 PM
Clare keep doing one handpass too many instead of taking the score. 2 down and should really be leading but just not very efficient with possession.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2018, 04:36:13 PM
How was that not a red?
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: sans pessimism on May 20, 2018, 04:37:22 PM
How was that not a red?
was last week😠😠
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on May 20, 2018, 05:46:13 PM
Both clare and tipp disappointing.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 05:50:15 PM
Tipps best players are getting on a bit! Clare are a strange team, so much about them but underperform
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on May 20, 2018, 05:59:29 PM
Yeah so much potential in that clare team but they never fulfill it. Must be very frustrating to support. The cork goalie really should have stopped that goal then it would have been worse.

Lehane's goal very sharp. Must be a nightmare to mark.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 20, 2018, 06:27:04 PM
Tipps best players are getting on a bit! Clare are a strange team, so much about them but underperform

Tipps best players should be in their prime, 27 or 28. It's a very poor start from them, no intensity at all. They'll need it next week.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: imtommygunn on May 20, 2018, 06:28:33 PM
I was thinking that. Most of them have been playing since u21 days.

They were rubbish but to be fair limerick were good.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 06:54:26 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0520/964813-mulcahy-tipp-have-a-lack-of-drive-a-lack-of-appetite/
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 07:54:25 PM
Tipps best players are getting on a bit! Clare are a strange team, so much about them but underperform

Tipps best players should be in their prime, 27 or 28. It's a very poor start from them, no intensity at all. They'll need it next week.

Well they havenít turned up much lately! They lacked pace intensity and desire!
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 20, 2018, 08:42:22 PM
Tipps best players are getting on a bit! Clare are a strange team, so much about them but underperform

Tipps best players should be in their prime, 27 or 28. It's a very poor start from them, no intensity at all. They'll need it next week.

Well they havenít turned up much lately! They lacked pace intensity and desire!

Yep.  They think they can turn it on and off. They should have learned by now.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 20, 2018, 09:04:50 PM
Tipps best players are getting on a bit! Clare are a strange team, so much about them but underperform

Tipps best players should be in their prime, 27 or 28. It's a very poor start from them, no intensity at all. They'll need it next week.

Well they havenít turned up much lately! They lacked pace intensity and desire!

Yep.  They think they can turn it on and off. They should have learned by now.

Tipp hurling (club and county) are an enigma!
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 09:37:00 PM
Tipps best players are getting on a bit! Clare are a strange team, so much about them but underperform

Tipps best players should be in their prime, 27 or 28. It's a very poor start from them, no intensity at all. They'll need it next week.

Well they havenít turned up much lately! They lacked pace intensity and desire!

Yep.  They think they can turn it on and off. They should have learned by now.
This Gerlock video from 2015 is about Tipp and the class they have versus what they have won.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFu7X548p4

They did win again in 2016 but they couldn't back it up the following year. And this year got off to a bad start
Interestingly, Conor Moore's Gerlock videos have far more views than the real things get.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 20, 2018, 09:44:55 PM
OTB on KK/Offaly and Galway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym3vMl8UM2o
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: seafoid on May 21, 2018, 08:41:12 PM
Tipp v Cork is on next weekend. Tipp surely have to win this one. It should be a humdinger
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 22, 2018, 11:22:30 AM
Tipp v Cork is on next weekend. Tipp surely have to win this one. It should be a humdinger

In Thurles I presume.

The misfiring of the Tipp forwards is something to behold and without Callanan in top form the rest struggle to weigh in with their fair share of scores. Forde didn't set the world alight and only fed off a hopeful long ball into the heart of the Limerick defence.
Cork look to have tightened up a bit in defence, but Clare let them off the hook with some poor shooting and wayward passing. Speed is still their main strength in the forwards and that may cause Tipp problems but I'd expect Tipp to deny them the space they need.

The pressure is on Michael Ryan and he'll fill the team with the regulars to ensure it happens.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 22, 2018, 11:49:18 AM
Tipp v Cork is on next weekend. Tipp surely have to win this one. It should be a humdinger

In Thurles I presume.

The misfiring of the Tipp forwards is something to behold and without Callanan in top form the rest struggle to weigh in with their fair share of scores. Forde didn't set the world alight and only fed off a hopeful long ball into the heart of the Limerick defence.
Cork look to have tightened up a bit in defence, but Clare let them off the hook with some poor shooting and wayward passing. Speed is still their main strength in the forwards and that may cause Tipp problems but I'd expect Tipp to deny them the space they need.

The pressure is on Michael Ryan and he'll fill the team with the regulars to ensure it happens.
Tipp players always seem to want to take on their marker physically (especially the half backs) instead of just playing the ball out of defence
slow ball out is killing their forwards
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2018, 12:09:36 PM
Tipp v Cork is on next weekend. Tipp surely have to win this one. It should be a humdinger

In Thurles I presume.

The misfiring of the Tipp forwards is something to behold and without Callanan in top form the rest struggle to weigh in with their fair share of scores. Forde didn't set the world alight and only fed off a hopeful long ball into the heart of the Limerick defence.
Cork look to have tightened up a bit in defence, but Clare let them off the hook with some poor shooting and wayward passing. Speed is still their main strength in the forwards and that may cause Tipp problems but I'd expect Tipp to deny them the space they need.

The pressure is on Michael Ryan and he'll fill the team with the regulars to ensure it happens.
Tipp players always seem to want to take on their marker physically (especially the half backs) instead of just playing the ball out of defence
slow ball out is killing their forwards

That's a good observation. Paudie Maher especially, but Ronan as well, love the physical contact. They look for it. They like nothing better than a big catch, a bulldozer out and then a delivery. When Paudie is in full flow it is a powerful lift to a team in fairness. He just bullies opponents.

However he's not going well at the moment, and it was noticeable how many Limerick half forwards (big men themselves) were able to stop that initial burst out. Then panic stations set in and the scrappy handpassing or turnovers happened.

Cork won't have the same physicality, but they will have something that causes Tipp awful problems. Speed. Paudie, Ronan and Barry Heffernan are not fast, and if the likes of the Cork forwards start streaming down the middle, Cork will tear them asunder.

Tipps forwards have to win them this game, and I don't necessarily mean on the scoreboard. I mean in the way they will have to work to disrupt delivery to the Cork forwards. It was painful watching how much time Limerick half backs had to survey the field and play dangerous balls into Gillane or Mulcahy. Tipps backs didn't have a chance. And if Limerick were a top team like Galway, that would have been a 10-15 point defeat.

Tipperary need to find fire and intensity and workrate to go with their undoubted skill. The forwards have to work hard when they don't have the ball, hooking and blocking and harrying. They have to be prepared to win the odd ruck, or the odd high ball. The backs and midfield need to start varying the delivery. In the first half against Limerick, they did play the corners, and John McGrath and Jason Forde won ball and won frees. In the second half, they reverted to long bombs which can cause panic right enough, but if you do it every time, it loses it's effectiveness.

A major rethink, and gut check, is needed. If either fail, Cork will beat them. I wasn't surprised Limerick and Cork won last weekend, I think I said it here, and next weekend it's hard to see past Cork, but I just think there might be a reaction from Tipp, and Cork with the 2 points might not be as desperate.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 22, 2018, 01:16:00 PM
Tipp v Cork is on next weekend. Tipp surely have to win this one. It should be a humdinger

In Thurles I presume.

The misfiring of the Tipp forwards is something to behold and without Callanan in top form the rest struggle to weigh in with their fair share of scores. Forde didn't set the world alight and only fed off a hopeful long ball into the heart of the Limerick defence.
Cork look to have tightened up a bit in defence, but Clare let them off the hook with some poor shooting and wayward passing. Speed is still their main strength in the forwards and that may cause Tipp problems but I'd expect Tipp to deny them the space they need.

The pressure is on Michael Ryan and he'll fill the team with the regulars to ensure it happens.
Tipp players always seem to want to take on their marker physically (especially the half backs) instead of just playing the ball out of defence
slow ball out is killing their forwards

That's a good observation. Paudie Maher especially, but Ronan as well, love the physical contact. They look for it. They like nothing better than a big catch, a bulldozer out and then a delivery. When Paudie is in full flow it is a powerful lift to a team in fairness. He just bullies opponents.

However he's not going well at the moment, and it was noticeable how many Limerick half forwards (big men themselves) were able to stop that initial burst out. Then panic stations set in and the scrappy handpassing or turnovers happened.

Cork won't have the same physicality, but they will have something that causes Tipp awful problems. Speed. Paudie, Ronan and Barry Heffernan are not fast, and if the likes of the Cork forwards start streaming down the middle, Cork will tear them asunder.

Tipps forwards have to win them this game, and I don't necessarily mean on the scoreboard. I mean in the way they will have to work to disrupt delivery to the Cork forwards. It was painful watching how much time Limerick half backs had to survey the field and play dangerous balls into Gillane or Mulcahy. Tipps backs didn't have a chance. And if Limerick were a top team like Galway, that would have been a 10-15 point defeat.

Tipperary need to find fire and intensity and workrate to go with their undoubted skill. The forwards have to work hard when they don't have the ball, hooking and blocking and harrying. They have to be prepared to win the odd ruck, or the odd high ball. The backs and midfield need to start varying the delivery. In the first half against Limerick, they did play the corners, and John McGrath and Jason Forde won ball and won frees. In the second half, they reverted to long bombs which can cause panic right enough, but if you do it every time, it loses it's effectiveness.

A major rethink, and gut check, is needed. If either fail, Cork will beat them. I wasn't surprised Limerick and Cork won last weekend, I think I said it here, and next weekend it's hard to see past Cork, but I just think there might be a reaction from Tipp, and Cork with the 2 points might not be as desperate.

You want your half backs bursting out of defence by going past their opponent and letting the ball in on a low trajectory to the forwards, but as you say unless Paudie sends his man flying after the initial hit he doesn't have the speed off the mark to round him and then you get the high clearance avoiding a block or a handpass to someone in similar traffic anyway.
The unseen work that a Bonner Maher does is missed when he's not there and even Brendan Maher does a power of work in the middle third without the ball that needs done by them all.
Callanan, Forde, Bubbles and the McGraths really need to produce the goods or Cork will run them into the ground.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: johnnycool on May 22, 2018, 01:17:48 PM
Oh, and Limerick were more reassured in defence once Mike Casey replaced Seamus Hickey, so there's strength in depth there.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2018, 01:20:53 PM
 An auld sidestep every now and then wouldn't go amiss.

re Hickey, yes, he's actually a liability for Limerick now, especially at full back.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2018, 01:39:16 PM
Break tackle but lay it off to the free man either beside you or low ball into a corner, problem being that the Tipp forwards are probably making the runs but by the time the ball comes in the defender is on top of him!

The options for the defenders were limited, some of that is due to Limerick, they seemed to have an extra man at times, hunting in pairs and sometimes there were 3 putting in the tackle..

Have Tipp anyone else to bring on? I'll not be backing them this Sunday (probably win now!)

How Hickey as you said AZ stayed on for as long as he did was a mystery, still a very good hurler, probably best on the halfback line

The Cork and Clare game seemed to be played at a higher tempo IMO, so it'll be a interesting game
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2018, 01:55:05 PM
Break tackle but lay it off to the free man either beside you or low ball into a corner, problem being that the Tipp forwards are probably making the runs but by the time the ball comes in the defender is on top of him!

The options for the defenders were limited, some of that is due to Limerick, they seemed to have an extra man at times, hunting in pairs and sometimes there were 3 putting in the tackle..

Have Tipp anyone else to bring on? I'll not be backing them this Sunday (probably win now!)

How Hickey as you said AZ stayed on for as long as he did was a mystery, still a very good hurler, probably best on the halfback line

The Cork and Clare game seemed to be played at a higher tempo IMO, so it'll be a interesting game

Tipp have a relatively deep panel on paper, but it's not worth a shite if lads aren't playing. I'm not sure if Cathal Barrett is available, but if he is, I'd probably go something like

              Hogan

Flynn      Kennedy      Barrett

Heffernan B. Maher    P. Maher

         R. Maher    Billy McCarthy

Dan McCormack Bonnar Maher  Noel McGrath

John McGrath    Jason Forde    Seamie Callanan


You'd have Michael Breen as an option for Midfield/Half forward, Bubbles O'Dwyer for the full forward line, Sean Curran for half forward, Niall O'Meara for full forward line, James Barry for the backs.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: Owenmoresider on May 22, 2018, 02:10:04 PM
Break tackle but lay it off to the free man either beside you or low ball into a corner, problem being that the Tipp forwards are probably making the runs but by the time the ball comes in the defender is on top of him!

The options for the defenders were limited, some of that is due to Limerick, they seemed to have an extra man at times, hunting in pairs and sometimes there were 3 putting in the tackle..

Have Tipp anyone else to bring on? I'll not be backing them this Sunday (probably win now!)

How Hickey as you said AZ stayed on for as long as he did was a mystery, still a very good hurler, probably best on the halfback line

The Cork and Clare game seemed to be played at a higher tempo IMO, so it'll be a interesting game

Tipp have a relatively deep panel on paper, but it's not worth a shite if lads aren't playing. I'm not sure if Cathal Barrett is available, but if he is, I'd probably go something like

              Hogan

Flynn      Kennedy      Barrett

Heffernan B. Maher    P. Maher

         R. Maher    Billy McCarthy

Dan McCormack Bonnar Maher  Noel McGrath

John McGrath    Jason Forde    Seamie Callanan


You'd have Michael Breen as an option for Midfield/Half forward, Bubbles O'Dwyer for the full forward line, Sean Curran for half forward, Niall O'Meara for full forward line, James Barry for the backs.
Callanan hardly has a full game in him yet though? Didn't do a whole lot when he came in on Sunday though the momentum was with Limerick by that stage.
Title: Re: Hurling championship 2018
Post by: AZOffaly on May 22, 2018, 02:19:50 PM
He may not, but Bubbles did SFA. You could have a Niall O'Meara in there as a lively ball winner instead. Not sure if Niall is back fit or not yet. He's had a horrible year with injuries.