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Title: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: slippery dodger on January 23, 2018, 05:06:20 PM
A big year ahead of us. To kick off us here is a preview show for the 2018 Allianz Hurling League featuring John Meyler live from Croke Park. The show also features Derek McGrath and Galway goalkeeper Colm Callanan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPMC_ygY4k
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 23, 2018, 05:51:19 PM
A big year ahead of us. To kick off us here is a preview show for the 2018 Allianz Hurling League featuring John Meyler live from Croke Park. The show also features Derek McGrath and Galway goalkeeper Colm Callanan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPMC_ygY4k
Good stuff. This year will be a bit different.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Bord na Mona man on January 26, 2018, 01:48:31 PM
Offaly against Dublin in Croke Park should a good game to launch the  2018 leagues with.
With Dublin very much experimenting, I'd be expecting Offaly to give them a good rattle.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: slippery dodger on January 26, 2018, 02:52:06 PM
Offaly against Dublin in Croke Park should a good game to launch the  2018 leagues with.
With Dublin very much experimenting, I'd be expecting Offaly to give them a good rattle.

Would love to see Offaly win it.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on January 26, 2018, 03:34:02 PM
Offaly against Dublin in Croke Park should a good game to launch the  2018 leagues with.
With Dublin very much experimenting, I'd be expecting Offaly to give them a good rattle.

Would love to see Offaly win it.
So would I. 🙏🙏🙏
💚⚾️💛
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 26, 2018, 03:34:24 PM
Division 1b is perfect for Galway. Easy to blood a few new players.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 26, 2018, 03:35:30 PM
Offaly against Dublin in Croke Park should a good game to launch the  2018 leagues with.
With Dublin very much experimenting, I'd be expecting Offaly to give them a good rattle.

Would love to see Offaly win it.
So would I. 🙏🙏🙏
💚⚾️💛
I would love to see Offaly back in the big time and KK fighting for scraps for at least a decade.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on January 26, 2018, 03:46:54 PM
Offaly against Dublin in Croke Park should a good game to launch the  2018 leagues with.
With Dublin very much experimenting, I'd be expecting Offaly to give them a good rattle.

Would love to see Offaly win it.
So would I. 🙏🙏🙏
💚⚾️💛
I would love to see Offaly back in the big time and KK fighting for scraps for at least a decade.

Iíd take competitiveness for a few years. We need to get underage right fist.
Thereís some good lads in with them, most notably Eunan Martin (son of Damien, former Offaly keeper, Eunan himself was on the Offaly panel circa 98-00) over the minors (u17s)
He won a Celtic Challenge two years ago, albeit we were playing some counties that were split, such as KK, WX, LK, WD, T, D, C,G. Not sure about Clare. Laois were all one, as were every other county.

They beat South KK in that final in 2016.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: ned on January 27, 2018, 05:37:39 PM
Some scrappy play in Dubs, Offaly game but some very good scoring. Currams with the standout long ranger, great goal from Dublin, Bergin with 6 first half points as Offaly have a handy lead at half time.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 27, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
Great win for Offaly. A good size team, and some nice skillful touches too. Dublin were raw and off the pace, but that's the first green shoots we've had in a while.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 27, 2018, 09:01:22 PM
Michael Duignan@DuignanMichael

I know it's only January, I know it's only the league, I know Dublin hadn't a full team, I know, I know, I know.....but I still have tears in my eyes. Kevin Martin is a man and his team played like men.

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on January 27, 2018, 09:12:24 PM
Michael Duignan@DuignanMichael

I know it's only January, I know it's only the league, I know Dublin hadn't a full team, I know, I know, I know.....but I still have tears in my eyes. Kevin Martin is a man and his team played like men.

He did later tweet that heíd a few pints in him.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 01, 2018, 08:47:04 PM
It is great to see Antrim in D 1B.
They played very well on Sunday.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: north_antrim_hound on February 02, 2018, 10:56:26 AM
It is great to see Antrim in D 1B.
They played very well on Sunday.

Great performance, Galway had to spring three players with all Ireland medals and fresh legs to get over the line. I know Galway havenít been training much and the will be a different animal on down the line but I canít remember ever us  coming out of Salthill being only 3 points down.
Hope they can carry the momentum into Dublin game on Sunday.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: redsetanta on February 02, 2018, 03:26:17 PM
We have Galway on Sat night and I'm sure the game last week has given the Laois lads a boost. On the other hand it also gave Galway a kick in the arse. Laois have a long injury list at the minute so I cannot see us coming within 3 points of Galwaybut would be quite happy to beat the bookies hanicap of 12 points.

The game against Antrim is the big one for us in two weeks time although the likelihood is we'll both meet again in the relegation decider.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 04, 2018, 02:38:20 PM
the referee in the wexford v cork game doesn't like bloeing the whistle
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 05, 2018, 10:51:08 AM
Antrim were within a point of the Dubs. 2 very impressive performances so far.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2018, 12:00:38 PM
Antrim were within a point of the Dubs. 2 very impressive performances so far.

Yesterdays game was a bit flat if I'm being honest, we'd no real opportunities to raise the green flag while Dublin had one in the first half... the points we got were from a lot of frees, mainly long distance too, so hats off to Neil for knocking them over, a flurry of points in the latter part of the second half brought us to level on scores, the clock had it at 39.04 there was 4 minutes of injury played and the ref alowed the puck out from that final score were Dublin were awarded a free, about 70 yards out and that was that!!

Anyways, on a positive not we have plenty to work on to improve, some first touches need to be sharpend up, if playing with a sweeper system then players need to look up and give the forwards a chance and avoid their spare man, a better spread of scores also needed, be great if we had more height in our team also, we lack that bit of physicality few high balls that came in were easy enough plucked out of the sky by the Dublin defence ...

If we could tighten up on the above we'll be giving ourselves a chance to stay up, as 1B is the only place to be to improve overall on Antrim huring, as said before, those who arent there havent bothered so why bother talking about them? they have their reasons and thats that.

The fitness levels have improved also, so whoever has been looking after that side of things well done, as the closing minutes of the game is when you can be over run by the better teams..
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 05, 2018, 04:01:05 PM
Antrim were within a point of the Dubs. 2 very impressive performances so far.

Yesterdays game was a bit flat if I'm being honest, we'd no real opportunities to raise the green flag while Dublin had one in the first half... the points we got were from a lot of frees, mainly long distance too, so hats off to Neil for knocking them over, a flurry of points in the latter part of the second half brought us to level on scores, the clock had it at 39.04 there was 4 minutes of injury played and the ref alowed the puck out from that final score were Dublin were awarded a free, about 70 yards out and that was that!!

Anyways, on a positive not we have plenty to work on to improve, some first touches need to be sharpend up, if playing with a sweeper system then players need to look up and give the forwards a chance and avoid their spare man, a better spread of scores also needed, be great if we had more height in our team also, we lack that bit of physicality few high balls that came in were easy enough plucked out of the sky by the Dublin defence ...

If we could tighten up on the above we'll be giving ourselves a chance to stay up, as 1B is the only place to be to improve overall on Antrim huring, as said before, those who arent there havent bothered so why bother talking about them? they have their reasons and thats that.

The fitness levels have improved also, so whoever has been looking after that side of things well done, as the closing minutes of the game is when you can be over run by the better teams..
Antrim were promoted but should fancy their chances agains Laois and Offaly. Limerick hammered Offaly yesterday.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 16, 2018, 09:56:16 PM
RTE

"Laois and Antrim, both of whom have lost their first two games, are in relegation trouble as they prepare for their clash in Portlaoise. They meet in the league for the first time since 2015 when Laois won a group game in 1B before repeating the success in a relegation play-off"

An Antrim win would be significant
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 16, 2018, 10:02:35 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0216/941288-at-a-glance-a-guide-to-the-weekends-gaa-action/

Allianz HL Division 1B
1400 Galway v Offaly, Pearse Stadium



"In the last two meetings between these sides (league and championship), Galway have hit the Faithful for 6-56, with the six goals coming in last season's 1B encounter. "

Jaysus

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 18, 2018, 04:00:49 PM
Joe Quaid has to go.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 18, 2018, 05:11:32 PM
Kilkenny comfortable enough winners in a poor enough match, though the conditions didnít help
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: waterfordlad on February 18, 2018, 07:05:37 PM
Another disappointing defeat in this year's league for Waterford today. Kilkenny were much better in heavy conditions. Fergal Horgan  seemed to forget about the advantage rule early in the game and he called back play when Michael Kearney was in behind Kilkenny defence in a good position. We are struggling up front at the moment. Cork away is our next game and a win is needed to have any chance of avoiding a relegation play off.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnneycool on February 19, 2018, 10:39:23 AM
Another disappointing defeat in this year's league for Waterford today. Kilkenny were much better in heavy conditions. Fergal Horgan  seemed to forget about the advantage rule early in the game and he called back play when Michael Kearney was in behind Kilkenny defence in a good position. We are struggling up front at the moment. Cork away is our next game and a win is needed to have any chance of avoiding a relegation play off.

Saw bits of it yesterday and the highlights last night, but jesus big Maurice looks as if he hasn't had the hurl in his hand for year.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: redsetanta on February 19, 2018, 11:07:59 AM
Waterford looking very lethargic and maybe therer's a bit of burn out with them. Mentally you would wonder if they are suffering from the final defeat last year. It's still very early in the year though and the harder ground will suit them better. With the new format it's like finishing the league to play another league so plenty of games to come.

Tipp are motoring nicely but Wexford could have gotten something from the game. They could both meet again in the knockout stages and you wouldn't bet against the yellow bellies.

Laois performing very well and the 5 point victory didn't flatter them at all. Two big battles to come against Offaly and Dublin and they will not lack confidence going in to these games based on what's gone before. Avoiding a relegation battle will be the main goal and a q/f spot will be a bonus. Dubs not looking good at the moment and have to go to Portlaoise in their last game. They've had little difficulty with Laois in recent times but that might be different this year.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 19, 2018, 12:00:38 PM
Waterford lads looked a bit unfit, probably a longer lay off than normal, they wont become a bad team over night! expect them in the business end of things again come championship...

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Premier Emperor on February 19, 2018, 01:41:31 PM
Waterford lads looked a bit unfit, probably a longer lay off than normal, they wont become a bad team over night! expect them in the business end of things again come championship...
Noel Connors had an arse on him ready to burst out his shorts!
Derek McGrath will become another Waterford manager ousted by the players if their slump continues.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Minder on February 19, 2018, 02:24:04 PM
Waterford lads looked a bit unfit, probably a longer lay off than normal, they wont become a bad team over night! expect them in the business end of things again come championship...
Noel Connors had an arse on him ready to burst out his shorts!
Derek McGrath will become another Waterford manager ousted by the players if their slump continues.

Did he ever go back to work, or should I say teaching ? Or is he still a full time manager ?
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Orchard park on February 19, 2018, 03:42:15 PM
Waterford lads looked a bit unfit, probably a longer lay off than normal, they wont become a bad team over night! expect them in the business end of things again come championship...
Noel Connors had an arse on him ready to burst out his shorts!
Derek McGrath will become another Waterford manager ousted by the players if their slump continues.

Thats a glute enhgancement regime Noelie is on
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnneycool on February 19, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
Waterford lads looked a bit unfit, probably a longer lay off than normal, they wont become a bad team over night! expect them in the business end of things again come championship...
Noel Connors had an arse on him ready to burst out his shorts!
Derek McGrath will become another Waterford manager ousted by the players if their slump continues.

He must have heard Paul Shelly was making a comeback for Tipp and needed the extra bulk to deal with Tipps own chip eating monster.

All the same Noel could do with another size up in the shorts, the nads must be in bits after a game.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on February 19, 2018, 10:05:42 PM
Waterford looking very lethargic and maybe therer's a bit of burn out with them. Mentally you would wonder if they are suffering from the final defeat last year. It's still very early in the year though and the harder ground will suit them better. With the new format it's like finishing the league to play another league so plenty of games to come.

Tipp are motoring nicely but Wexford could have gotten something from the game. They could both meet again in the knockout stages and you wouldn't bet against the yellow bellies.

Laois performing very well and the 5 point victory didn't flatter them at all. Two big battles to come against Offaly and Dublin and they will not lack confidence going in to these games based on what's gone before. Avoiding a relegation battle will be the main goal and a q/f spot will be a bonus. Dubs not looking good at the moment and have to go to Portlaoise in their last game. They've had little difficulty with Laois in recent times but that might be different this year.

Tipp will always be too clinical for wexford and i suspect wexford are further along the road fitness wise. Mcgrath i would have doubts about. I don't really like his tactics. Waterford will still do well with their players but could do better.

Disappointing result for antrim. Antrim against offaly of laois in playoff it would appear. Waterford look in trouble in the top division.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: redsetanta on February 23, 2018, 02:35:05 PM
Big game in 1B this Sunday is the Offaly Laois game in Tullamore. Great to have a decent rivalry back between these2 counties.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2018, 02:00:03 PM
Tight in the Offaly Laois game, think Tipp should beat the Cats! Nowlan Park not a fortress anymore
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 25, 2018, 02:34:18 PM
Joe Quaid should resign at half time, Carlow 3-09 Kildare 0-01. Both counties were at a similar level a few years back and at underage level Kildare have been making a small bit of progress.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2018, 02:56:23 PM
The Cats are licking their lips and sharpening their claws!! Fair intensity to this game
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 25, 2018, 03:07:04 PM
Games turning on its head!
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 25, 2018, 03:10:51 PM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/contrast-between-dise-and-tribe-highlights-unfairness-in-league-36638262.html
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Roashter on February 25, 2018, 08:07:39 PM
The pitch in Cork looked terrible today!!
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on February 25, 2018, 08:40:10 PM
Tight in the Offaly Laois game, think Tipp should beat the Cats! Nowlan Park not a fortress anymore
The cats need a spell in 1B but Cody is too proud
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: theskull1 on February 25, 2018, 11:07:11 PM
The pitch in Cork looked terrible today!!

Shocking
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnneycool on February 27, 2018, 01:14:10 PM
Someone could have done themselves a mischief on that pitch, plus if anything the state of it didn't suit Cork as much as Waterford.

Time to give that farm in Naul a shout for a new surface already.

Maurice still not hurling well either.

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: redsetanta on March 09, 2018, 10:27:17 AM
Some cracking games this weekend.

Galway v Limerick - can Limerick finally get promoted.

Laois v Dublin - can Laois get a vital win to prevent a relegation play off.

KK v Wexford will be some battle in 1a considering the cats got some of their mojo back last time out and Davy will have Wexford going all out.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2018, 10:49:24 AM
Some cracking games this weekend.

Galway v Limerick - can Limerick finally get promoted.

Laois v Dublin - can Laois get a vital win to prevent a relegation play off.

KK v Wexford will be some battle in 1a considering the cats got some of their mojo back last time out and Davy will have Wexford going all out.
Galway have been taking it easy. Not sure they want to get promoted. They like 1B cos you can test out players at little cost. And still win the league. The setup is nuts.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 09, 2018, 02:20:51 PM
Some cracking games this weekend.

Galway v Limerick - can Limerick finally get promoted.

Laois v Dublin - can Laois get a vital win to prevent a relegation play off.

KK v Wexford will be some battle in 1a considering the cats got some of their mojo back last time out and Davy will have Wexford going all out.
Galway have been taking it easy. Not sure they want to get promoted. They like 1B cos you can test out players at little cost. And still win the league. The setup is nuts.

Depends where you are in terms of team development.

Galway can live in 1B for a year or two as they've got a settled spine of the team by and large in their prime and are hardened championship campaigners whereas Limerick aren't.
They're a young and mostly untested team who haven't really had a good run in the championship for a few years now and need to be in 1A to get that on a regular basis.
The restructuring of the Munster and Leinster championships to round robin may help Limerick in this regard, but they really need out of 1B.

IMO the structure is good for the likes of Laois, Antrim and even Dublin and Offaly who really need to rebuild as they get competitive games and also get a crack at some bigger fish in the same division and maybe get a playoff place for another day out against a 1A team.

I wouldn't be rushing to change the hurling leagues just yet.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Two Hands FFS on March 09, 2018, 02:34:11 PM
Some cracking games this weekend.

Galway v Limerick - can Limerick finally get promoted.

Laois v Dublin - can Laois get a vital win to prevent a relegation play off.

KK v Wexford will be some battle in 1a considering the cats got some of their mojo back last time out and Davy will have Wexford going all out.
Galway have been taking it easy. Not sure they want to get promoted. They like 1B cos you can test out players at little cost. And still win the league. The setup is nuts.

Depends where you are in terms of team development.

Galway can live in 1B for a year or two as they've got a settled spine of the team by and large in their prime and are hardened championship campaigners whereas Limerick aren't.
They're a young and mostly untested team who haven't really had a good run in the championship for a few years now and need to be in 1A to get that on a regular basis.
The restructuring of the Munster and Leinster championships to round robin may help Limerick in this regard, but they really need out of 1B.

IMO the structure is good for the likes of Laois, Antrim and even Dublin and Offaly who really need to rebuild as they get competitive games and also get a crack at some bigger fish in the same division and maybe get a playoff place for another day out against a 1A team.

I wouldn't be rushing to change the hurling leagues just yet.
I would get rid of the Quarter finals. Maybe top 3 in 1A, Top in 1B in the Semi Finals. Or top 2 in each league.
But the counties voted to keep QFís even though they are trying to provide more weekends for Clubs. All about the coin for county boards.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 09, 2018, 03:28:32 PM
Some cracking games this weekend.

Galway v Limerick - can Limerick finally get promoted.

Laois v Dublin - can Laois get a vital win to prevent a relegation play off.

KK v Wexford will be some battle in 1a considering the cats got some of their mojo back last time out and Davy will have Wexford going all out.
Galway have been taking it easy. Not sure they want to get promoted. They like 1B cos you can test out players at little cost. And still win the league. The setup is nuts.

Depends where you are in terms of team development.

Galway can live in 1B for a year or two as they've got a settled spine of the team by and large in their prime and are hardened championship campaigners whereas Limerick aren't.
They're a young and mostly untested team who haven't really had a good run in the championship for a few years now and need to be in 1A to get that on a regular basis.
The restructuring of the Munster and Leinster championships to round robin may help Limerick in this regard, but they really need out of 1B.

IMO the structure is good for the likes of Laois, Antrim and even Dublin and Offaly who really need to rebuild as they get competitive games and also get a crack at some bigger fish in the same division and maybe get a playoff place for another day out against a 1A team.

I wouldn't be rushing to change the hurling leagues just yet.
I would get rid of the Quarter finals. Maybe top 3 in 1A, Top in 1B in the Semi Finals. Or top 2 in each league.
But the counties voted to keep QFís even though they are trying to provide more weekends for Clubs. All about the coin for county boards.

Top two in each league would only work if the leagues were split over equal strength.

I'd suggest that the reason we've got the quarter finals is that it was a vote winner to get the likes of Offaly and Co onside, possibly coin related but I'd suggest it was motivated to be less cut off from the top teams.

If Limerick don't win on Sunday then I can hear more calls for a top 8 or 9 Div1 one and that would be a disaster for a lot of other teams.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Two Hands FFS on March 09, 2018, 07:51:37 PM
I would be pretty sure that the county boards are thinking of the extra money.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 09, 2018, 09:21:53 PM
Some cracking games this weekend.

Galway v Limerick - can Limerick finally get promoted.

Laois v Dublin - can Laois get a vital win to prevent a relegation play off.

KK v Wexford will be some battle in 1a considering the cats got some of their mojo back last time out and Davy will have Wexford going all out.
Galway have been taking it easy. Not sure they want to get promoted. They like 1B cos you can test out players at little cost. And still win the league. The setup is nuts.

Depends where you are in terms of team development.

Galway can live in 1B for a year or two as they've got a settled spine of the team by and large in their prime and are hardened championship campaigners whereas Limerick aren't.
They're a young and mostly untested team who haven't really had a good run in the championship for a few years now and need to be in 1A to get that on a regular basis.
The restructuring of the Munster and Leinster championships to round robin may help Limerick in this regard, but they really need out of 1B.

IMO the structure is good for the likes of Laois, Antrim and even Dublin and Offaly who really need to rebuild as they get competitive games and also get a crack at some bigger fish in the same division and maybe get a playoff place for another day out against a 1A team.

I wouldn't be rushing to change the hurling leagues just yet.
I would get rid of the Quarter finals. Maybe top 3 in 1A, Top in 1B in the Semi Finals. Or top 2 in each league.
But the counties voted to keep QFís even though they are trying to provide more weekends for Clubs. All about the coin for county boards.

Top two in each league would only work if the leagues were split over equal strength.

I'd suggest that the reason we've got the quarter finals is that it was a vote winner to get the likes of Offaly and Co onside, possibly coin related but I'd suggest it was motivated to be less cut off from the top teams.

If Limerick don't win on Sunday then I can hear more calls for a top 8 or 9 Div1 one and that would be a disaster for a lot of other teams.
There is no perfect structure because there are 8 top level teams and 4/6 who need encouragement and there is no way to serve everyone without disadvantaging others.
Galway got relegated after getting to 2 AIFS so 1B works perfectly . I think KK could do with a spell there as well. Having qfs gives 2 other 1B teams day out. But the structure is unfair to 1a teams imo. 
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 11, 2018, 04:18:30 PM
Fair play to Antrim for beating Offaly.
Limerick beat Galway. Not surprising . I dont think Galway are interested in 1A.
Last year they lost to wexford in the regular league but then put on the boosters and won the competition.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 11, 2018, 05:20:51 PM
Qfs are

Tipp vs Dubs
KK vs Biffos
Clare v Limerick
Wexford v Galway
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: LooseCannon on March 11, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Qfs are

Tipp vs Dubs
KK vs Biffos
Clare v Limerick
Wexford v Galway
Beautiful Intelligent Fellows From Offaly,
Iíll have you know.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2018, 07:39:55 PM
Fair play to Antrim for beating Offaly.
Limerick beat Galway. Not surprising . I dont think Galway are interested in 1A.
Last year they lost to wexford in the regular league but then put on the boosters and won the competition.

Galway losing games on purpose now? 8 points up at halftime at home, punters paid in and youíre happy enough they lost? Strange
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 11, 2018, 08:43:08 PM
Fair play to Antrim for beating Offaly.
Limerick beat Galway. Not surprising . I dont think Galway are interested in 1A.
Last year they lost to wexford in the regular league but then put on the boosters and won the competition.

Galway losing games on purpose now? 8 points up at halftime at home, punters paid in and youíre happy enough they lost? Strange
It was the same last year. I don't mind as they win the all Ireland again ;). They didn't have a full strength team out either.
I think they will win the league as well. Funny old world. 
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2018, 09:14:39 PM
Fair play to Antrim for beating Offaly.
Limerick beat Galway. Not surprising . I dont think Galway are interested in 1A.
Last year they lost to wexford in the regular league but then put on the boosters and won the competition.

Galway losing games on purpose now? 8 points up at halftime at home, punters paid in and youíre happy enough they lost? Strange
It was the same last year. I don't mind as they win the all Ireland again ;). They didn't have a full strength team out either.
I think they will win the league as well. Funny old world.

But itís silly to say being in 1B is a good thing, wile most games are competitive Iím sure the Galway hurlers would prefer to be playing at a higher grade each week, Championship form is different of course but I know where Iíd much prefer to be as a player
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 12, 2018, 10:15:59 AM
Fair play to Antrim for beating Offaly.
Limerick beat Galway. Not surprising . I dont think Galway are interested in 1A.
Last year they lost to wexford in the regular league but then put on the boosters and won the competition.

Galway losing games on purpose now? 8 points up at halftime at home, punters paid in and youíre happy enough they lost? Strange
It was the same last year. I don't mind as they win the all Ireland again ;). They didn't have a full strength team out either.
I think they will win the league as well. Funny old world.

But itís silly to say being in 1B is a good thing, wile most games are competitive Iím sure the Galway hurlers would prefer to be playing at a higher grade each week, Championship form is different of course but I know where Iíd much prefer to be as a player

Sure they're still in the league quarter finals away to Wexford and it wouldn't be a surprise if they won that one albeit it'll be a good test for them.
They were cruising in yesterdays game and whilst Limerick were ballsy the way they got back into the game they were far more near full strength and Galway hit some awful wides in the second half.
Limerick do need 1A, but even at that the new round robin championships allow teams to build up a head of steam.
With Galway in Leinster they've a bit more breathing space to get themselves into the AI semi-s.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2018, 04:40:41 PM
Fair play to Antrim for beating Offaly.
Limerick beat Galway. Not surprising . I dont think Galway are interested in 1A.
Last year they lost to wexford in the regular league but then put on the boosters and won the competition.

Galway losing games on purpose now? 8 points up at halftime at home, punters paid in and youíre happy enough they lost? Strange
It was the same last year. I don't mind as they win the all Ireland again ;). They didn't have a full strength team out either.
I think they will win the league as well. Funny old world.

But itís silly to say being in 1B is a good thing, wile most games are competitive Iím sure the Galway hurlers would prefer to be playing at a higher grade each week, Championship form is different of course but I know where Iíd much prefer to be as a player
There is no comparison between March hurling and Championship.
Galway at the mo want to build a deeper panel and 1B is the place for that.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 12, 2018, 06:46:02 PM
I hate that 'hurling people' don't do that remark from Duignan

I got so many sly digs of the hurley that I lost count
it goes on in every game and lots of other stuff too
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 07:51:25 AM
I hate that 'hurling people' don't do that remark from Duignan

I got so many sly digs of the hurley that I lost count
it goes on in every game and lots of other stuff too

Yes but hurlers generally move on and donít get on like girls! Dirty blows should be dealt with by the ref and if seen by the camera a ban should follow. Job done
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 13, 2018, 08:22:14 AM
I hate that 'hurling people' don't do that remark from Duignan

I got so many sly digs of the hurley that I lost count
it goes on in every game and lots of other stuff too

Yes but hurlers generally move on and donít get on like girls! Dirty blows should be dealt with by the ref and if seen by the camera a ban should follow. Job done
the eulogising of hurling folk is ridiculous
as if they are a different race or something

county hurlers and county management would sell their own mother to gain an advantage
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 13, 2018, 09:04:47 AM
I hate that 'hurling people' don't do that remark from Duignan

I got so many sly digs of the hurley that I lost count
it goes on in every game and lots of other stuff too

Yes but hurlers generally move on and donít get on like girls! Dirty blows should be dealt with by the ref and if seen by the camera a ban should follow. Job done
the eulogising of hurling folk is ridiculous
as if they are a different race or something

county hurlers and county management would sell their own mother to gain an advantage
The main difference between hurling and football is manliness.

Take it away, Eddie :

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2014/0217/504912-keher/
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 13, 2018, 09:47:52 AM
I hate that 'hurling people' don't do that remark from Duignan

I got so many sly digs of the hurley that I lost count
it goes on in every game and lots of other stuff too

I think Micks problem was that he believed the dig of the hurl was aimed at the balls and the untold damage that could do, whereas Mick admitted throwing out a few digs himself but never to a mans nether region.

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 01:05:21 PM
I hate that 'hurling people' don't do that remark from Duignan

I got so many sly digs of the hurley that I lost count
it goes on in every game and lots of other stuff too

Yes but hurlers generally move on and donít get on like girls! Dirty blows should be dealt with by the ref and if seen by the camera a ban should follow. Job done
the eulogising of hurling folk is ridiculous
as if they are a different race or something

county hurlers and county management would sell their own mother to gain an advantage
The main difference between hurling and football is manliness.

Take it away, Eddie :

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2014/0217/504912-keher/

Nothing wrong with that, take belts and give belts, no dirty strokes and away ya go... Hard for me being a ref now but I tend to not blow that often and let the game take its course...
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 13, 2018, 01:37:52 PM
I hate that 'hurling people' don't do that remark from Duignan

I got so many sly digs of the hurley that I lost count
it goes on in every game and lots of other stuff too

Yes but hurlers generally move on and donít get on like girls! Dirty blows should be dealt with by the ref and if seen by the camera a ban should follow. Job done
the eulogising of hurling folk is ridiculous
as if they are a different race or something

county hurlers and county management would sell their own mother to gain an advantage
The main difference between hurling and football is manliness.

Take it away, Eddie :

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2014/0217/504912-keher/

Nothing wrong with that, take belts and give belts, no dirty strokes and away ya go... Hard for me being a ref now but I tend to not blow that often and let the game take its course...
What about giving cards to Kilkenny hurlers, MR? Is it acceptable?
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 13, 2018, 03:43:08 PM
cards mean nothing, refs always noted and then sent them off anyways, long before cards were introduced, thats how it happened. So showing cards is for the supporters and management, they know who's on a thin line and it helps the and the suporters, doesnt change the way you ref or control the game
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 13, 2018, 04:13:31 PM
I hate that 'hurling people' don't do that remark from Duignan

I got so many sly digs of the hurley that I lost count
it goes on in every game and lots of other stuff too

Yes but hurlers generally move on and donít get on like girls! Dirty blows should be dealt with by the ref and if seen by the camera a ban should follow. Job done
the eulogising of hurling folk is ridiculous
as if they are a different race or something

county hurlers and county management would sell their own mother to gain an advantage
The main difference between hurling and football is manliness.

Take it away, Eddie :

https://www.rte.ie/sport/hurling/2014/0217/504912-keher/

Nothing wrong with that, take belts and give belts, no dirty strokes and away ya go... Hard for me being a ref now but I tend to not blow that often and let the game take its course...
What about giving cards to Kilkenny hurlers, MR? Is it acceptable?

Not if you want to referee an AI final.

Manliness is tantamount to strangling someone in modern hurling.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 18, 2018, 01:27:22 PM
No business like snow business


https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0318/948358-another-icy-blast-wreaks-havoc-on-fixture-list/
All four Division 1 hurling quarter-finals have bitten the dust.

The Offaly v Kilkenny (1pm), Wexford v Galway (2pm), Dublin v Tipperary (3pm) and Limerick v Clare (4pm) ties have been rescheduled for tomorrow, Bank Holiday Monday. 

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: laoislad on March 18, 2018, 03:38:25 PM
Laois avoid relegation by beating Antrim!!
Bad day for the Antrim lads in both codes.....
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Minder on March 18, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
Laois avoid relegation by beating Antrim!!
Bad day for the Antrim lads in both codes.....

We are well used to it  :-[
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: macdanger2 on March 18, 2018, 04:35:23 PM
Congratulations to Mayo hurlers, 2B Champions
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: waterfordlad on March 18, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
Waterford relegated in the play off game v Cork today which survived the weather . It took 20  minutes for us to score today and that  slow start cost us. We got back to within 2 points of Cork at one stage in 2nd half but the sending off of Maurice Shanahan within a minute of coming on for a petulant slap of the hurley (not for the first time) probably ended our chances. Cork finished strongly to win the game. It's been a disappointing campaign and Derek McGrath is getting criticised for his attitude to league. We have no home games in round robin in Munster championship as Walsh Park is not suitable for championship crowds. We have 2 games in Limerick where Waterford have a poor record so the morale is low at the moment.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 19, 2018, 08:31:31 AM
Congratulations to Mayo hurlers, 2B Champions

bolloxes,,  ;D

According to some of the players we were well in the game till a mistake in our defence led to the Mayo goal being poked home.
Disappointed but we've a very young team now and they need to learn how to win dour games.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 19, 2018, 08:34:44 AM
Waterford relegated in the play off game v Cork today which survived the weather . It took 20  minutes for us to score today and that  slow start cost us. We got back to within 2 points of Cork at one stage in 2nd half but the sending off of Maurice Shanahan within a minute of coming on for a petulant slap of the hurley (not for the first time) probably ended our chances. Cork finished strongly to win the game. It's been a disappointing campaign and Derek McGrath is getting criticised for his attitude to league. We have no home games in round robin in Munster championship as Walsh Park is not suitable for championship crowds. We have 2 games in Limerick where Waterford have a poor record so the morale is low at the moment.

Some awful shooting let Waterford down again yesterday. The wide count must be well into the teens.

Sort out that and Waterford will have a good opportunity to be in the top 3 of the Munster section and hurling into the knockout stages.
Still think they could maybe throw up another forward all the same and still be compact at the back.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Sweeper 123 on March 19, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
any matches on TV today
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Two Hands FFS on March 19, 2018, 01:54:36 PM
Clare v Limerick at 4 on tg4
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 19, 2018, 02:05:30 PM
35 mins:

Offaly 1-09 Kilkenny 0-10
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2018, 02:21:52 PM
35 mins:

Offaly 1-09 Kilkenny 0-10

Letís see how the second 35 go. The handicap was 11 points so they are doing rightly
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 19, 2018, 02:40:31 PM

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0318/948470-gaa-quarters-off/

With snow still lying on the Parnell Park and Innovate Wexford Park pitches, Monday's rescheduled Allianz Hurling quarter-final matches involving Dublin-Tipperary and Wexford-Galway will now not take place.

Both games will be re-fixed for next weekend with the GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee to confirm fixture details on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Sweeper 123 on March 19, 2018, 02:54:08 PM
all level 5mins remaining Offaly V KK
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 19, 2018, 02:55:28 PM
65 mins:

Offaly 1-17 Kilkenny 0-20

Bergin scores himself and O'Connor Park is bouncing.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2018, 02:57:58 PM
22 each!
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Sweeper 123 on March 19, 2018, 02:58:27 PM
dont see the Clare Limerick match in the TG4 schedule today
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Roashter on March 19, 2018, 03:04:39 PM
TG4 twitter feed saying they have live coverage of Limerick v Clare today
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on March 19, 2018, 03:40:39 PM
Did the Cats pull this one out of the bag?
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Sweeper 123 on March 19, 2018, 03:43:28 PM
some effort by Offaly, massive steps and shows beating Dublin no fluke;

Clare V Limerick a close call but just give clare the edge - but could go either way
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on March 19, 2018, 04:25:08 PM
Limerick very in your face aggressive. Could do with concentrating on playing hurling.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Sweeper 123 on March 19, 2018, 04:43:15 PM
Limerick very in your face aggressive. Could do with concentrating on playing hurling.

its frustrating to watch but theyve pulled it back well - some intensity; Clare forwards not got a lot of space;
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on March 19, 2018, 04:45:36 PM
Yeah they have started playing a bit more now so hopefully a better second half.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 19, 2018, 05:41:17 PM
is McGrath gambling on a much later peak for his team this summer?
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2018, 06:21:51 PM
Limerick teams pulling it out of the fire again!!
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2018, 06:25:38 PM
70ís??
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on March 19, 2018, 06:44:05 PM
What is going on?

Looks like 70s?
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2018, 06:54:04 PM
This could go on all night
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 19, 2018, 06:55:07 PM
RTE

Free-taking competition

Clare 5 Limerick 5

Tom Morrissey scores. No-one is ever going to miss.

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 19, 2018, 06:56:42 PM
Game started at 4pm! 3 hours later
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 19, 2018, 06:57:59 PM
Free-taking competition sudden-death result: Clare 6 Limerick 7

I would have a bit of a soft spot for Limerick.  Much more lovable than Clare.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on March 19, 2018, 07:17:08 PM
Free-taking competition sudden-death result: Clare 6 Limerick 7

I would have a bit of a soft spot for Limerick.  Much more lovable than Clare.

100%
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: didlyi on March 19, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Clare should have had this wrapped up in normal time. They gave away several scores with short passing in  defence and from the puckout. Typical Limerick never say die though.
Why is that we think everything that resembeles other sports can only be good. The differnce between the gaa and soccer is all the excitement happens before the shootout as was the case today.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Bord na Mona man on March 20, 2018, 10:52:31 AM
Yes, a massive performance from Offaly all right.
It was level in injury time, before Kilkenny finally pulled away.

Kevin Martin has done a very decent job.
With all due respects to 'journeymen outside managers', but the last couple have opted to set up the team to keep the score down and shown little belief that Offaly are capable of taking a cut at the big guns.

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 24, 2018, 03:50:18 PM
well done to GAA for not covering Westmeath v Carlow final today

why bother promoting hurling outside the top tier at all?
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2018, 03:57:57 PM
Galway and Wexford plus Club final on today, not a bad day of hurling, get your point but unfortunately most people want the big games
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: shark on March 24, 2018, 04:06:21 PM
Galway and Wexford plus Club final on today, not a bad day of hurling, get your point but unfortunately most people want the big games

Galway v Wexford is not a big game though. Itís the 1/4 final of a competition that will be forgotten about by both teams as soon as they are out of it. Carlow v Westmeath is the most important game of the year for both teams. TG4 made a mistake here. Their studio is in Portlaoise!
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 24, 2018, 04:14:18 PM
Galway and Wexford plus Club final on today, not a bad day of hurling, get your point but unfortunately most people want the big games

Galway v Wexford is not a big game though. Itís the 1/4 final of a competition that will be forgotten about by both teams as soon as they are out of it. Carlow v Westmeath is the most important game of the year for both teams. TG4 made a mistake here. Their studio is in Portlaoise!

Yes I already said I get the point but in fairness though this has been a cracking game. Wexford have nearly knocked everything over the bar theyíve hit this second half, Galway the All Ireland champions are hanging on and have lost a player
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on March 26, 2018, 11:51:03 AM
http://tippfm.com/sport/gaa/hurling/ryan-says-cathal-barrett-hasnt-left-tipp-panel/
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: hardstation on March 31, 2018, 08:53:49 PM
Thatís a terrible decision for that levelling free.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: waterfordlad on April 01, 2018, 08:03:51 AM
Great game last night. Tipp seem to have a habit of letting teams back into games. Limerick never gave up and look to have a good, young team and are still missing the Na Piarsaigh players so will be good Munster championship this year.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 01, 2018, 09:35:42 AM
Great game last night. Tipp seem to have a habit of letting teams back into games. Limerick never gave up and look to have a good, young team and are still missing the Na Piarsaigh players so will be good Munster championship this year.
limerick players have an awful habit of over-soloing the ball
it seems to be endemic in the team
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: slippery dodger on April 01, 2018, 02:17:34 PM
If anybody wants to watch Kilkenny v Wexford find it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Z4Q2VWHpc
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: didlyi on April 07, 2018, 11:29:01 AM
Was there ever 2 sides in sport that coud guarantee entertainmnet like Tipp and KK. Realy looking forward to this. Surely its Tipp turn to turn uo the heat. Tipp by 3. A draw won surprise me though.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 07, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
Was there ever 2 sides in sport that coud guarantee entertainmnet like Tipp and KK. Realy looking forward to this. Surely its Tipp turn to turn uo the heat. Tipp by 3. A draw won surprise me though.
Tipp haven't won the league since 2008
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: tippabu on April 08, 2018, 11:15:11 AM
Was there ever 2 sides in sport that coud guarantee entertainmnet like Tipp and KK. Realy looking forward to this. Surely its Tipp turn to turn uo the heat. Tipp by 3. A draw won surprise me though.

Tipp and galway never have a bad match (ive erased last years league final from my memory!)

Should be a cracker today, cant imagine there'll be more than a point or two in it either way, both teams missing loads of players but should still be a great game in a sold out nowlan park
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 08, 2018, 12:36:21 PM
Was there ever 2 sides in sport that coud guarantee entertainmnet like Tipp and KK. Realy looking forward to this. Surely its Tipp turn to turn uo the heat. Tipp by 3. A draw won surprise me though.
Tipp and Galway is usually very close .
Tipp should win this one pulling up if they are any use
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: tippabu on April 08, 2018, 01:21:53 PM
Was there ever 2 sides in sport that coud guarantee entertainmnet like Tipp and KK. Realy looking forward to this. Surely its Tipp turn to turn uo the heat. Tipp by 3. A draw won surprise me though.
Tipp and Galway is usually very close .
Tipp should win this one pulling up if they are any use

Everybody is saying that but we are still missing 5 of our 6 starting forwards from last year. Can't see this being anything other than the usual tight game but hopefully us coming out on top for a change
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 08, 2018, 05:02:45 PM
Kilkenny haven't gone away. Cody still winning trophies in transition
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 08, 2018, 05:08:58 PM
Cillian Buckley never misses arm day.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: didlyi on April 08, 2018, 05:45:07 PM
Tipp were dissapointing but theres still time. The work rate of KK and of course Reids performance would win most matches.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 08, 2018, 05:51:35 PM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 08, 2018, 06:23:05 PM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.

Youíll never learn  ;D youíre obvious Kilkenny hatred makes you look foolish so many times
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 08, 2018, 08:53:29 PM
Tipperary players are too greedy on the ball
Always want to get their own score.
It's a trademark of Tipp players if you ask me
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 08, 2018, 10:02:56 PM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.

Youíll never learn  ;D youíre obvious Kilkenny hatred makes you look foolish so many times
You can't really hate a hurling team. Maybe Schadenfreude occasionally such as here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgoPvOQPdfQ&t=299s

KK are ranked 3rd by the bookies which seems fair. Like all great managers Cody squeezed the last out of a super cohort and is now missing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65qo0U5630
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 12:03:55 AM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.

Youíll never learn  ;D youíre obvious Kilkenny hatred makes you look foolish so many times
You can't really hate a hurling team. Maybe Schadenfreude occasionally such as here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgoPvOQPdfQ&t=299s

KK are ranked 3rd by the bookies which seems fair. Like all great managers Cody squeezed the last out of a super cohort and is now missing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65qo0U5630

Kilkenny wonít be there this year but theyíve at least put out some reminders that they ainít going to lie down this summer
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 09, 2018, 07:51:52 AM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.

Youíll never learn  ;D youíre obvious Kilkenny hatred makes you look foolish so many times
You can't really hate a hurling team. Maybe Schadenfreude occasionally such as here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgoPvOQPdfQ&t=299s

KK are ranked 3rd by the bookies which seems fair. Like all great managers Cody squeezed the last out of a super cohort and is now missing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65qo0U5630

Kilkenny wonít be there this year but theyíve at least put out some reminders that they ainít going to lie down this summer
Leinster should be interesting with 3 teams in the running.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2018, 09:57:12 AM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.

Youíll never learn  ;D youíre obvious Kilkenny hatred makes you look foolish so many times
You can't really hate a hurling team. Maybe Schadenfreude occasionally such as here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgoPvOQPdfQ&t=299s

KK are ranked 3rd by the bookies which seems fair. Like all great managers Cody squeezed the last out of a super cohort and is now missing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65qo0U5630

Kilkenny wonít be there this year but theyíve at least put out some reminders that they ainít going to lie down this summer
Leinster should be interesting with 3 teams in the running.

For three playoff spots! Leinster will be anything but interesting unless Offaly or Dublin can take points from some of the other three and that doesn't look likely.

Munster on the other hand, any three of the five are in with a shout.

Credit to Kilkenny, they showed a great hunger and with TJ Reid and big Walter on song along with the young 19 year old have talent in the squad. Cillian Buckley is a fine hurler as it Eoin Murphy in goals and that's a decent foundation. Add in Richie Hogan, Paul Murphy and Colin Fennelly and they will be there or there abouts later on added by a handy enough run in Leinster where the odd defeat won't be catastrophic. Still thing Paudie Walsh in fullback is a square peg in a round hole and the right man in on top of him will cause issues.

But have they enough to kick on in the summer months like most other major contenders will?
There's far more to Tipp that they showed yesterday, Galway will be much stronger, Waterford won't become a bad team overnight. Limerick can kick again with a young team.

The likes of Clare, Wexford and maybe KK have shown a good bit of their hand already IMO and maybe won't have the strength in depth for 4 games in 5 weeks and that's maybe where they'll all come unstuck. Injuries to key men and no suitable back ups could spell the end of their summers.
Kilkenny used to win leagues at a canter and you just knew they were treading water, this team was full tilt yesterday, but who knows.

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: seafoid on April 09, 2018, 10:50:33 AM
KK have some very good hurlers alright but they remind me of the club all Ireland where the determinant is how good your weakest links are. Big Walter didn't develop into the hurler people expected imo.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2018, 10:54:39 AM
KK have some very good hurlers alright but they remind me of the club all Ireland where the determinant is how good your weakest links are. Big Walter didn't develop into the hurler people expected imo.

He was good yesterday, but his awkwardness can lead to him having games where he does very little.

It's his time to come to the fore so this summer will be interesting for him!
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: theskull1 on April 09, 2018, 11:09:59 AM
Striking just how many lets say unconventional stickmen KK have at the minute. 
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 11:12:56 AM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.

Youíll never learn  ;D youíre obvious Kilkenny hatred makes you look foolish so many times
You can't really hate a hurling team. Maybe Schadenfreude occasionally such as here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgoPvOQPdfQ&t=299s

KK are ranked 3rd by the bookies which seems fair. Like all great managers Cody squeezed the last out of a super cohort and is now missing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65qo0U5630

Kilkenny wonít be there this year but theyíve at least put out some reminders that they ainít going to lie down this summer
Leinster should be interesting with 3 teams in the running.

For three playoff spots! Leinster will be anything but interesting unless Offaly or Dublin can take points from some of the other three and that doesn't look likely.

Munster on the other hand, any three of the five are in with a shout.

Credit to Kilkenny, they showed a great hunger and with TJ Reid and big Walter on song along with the young 19 year old have talent in the squad. Cillian Buckley is a fine hurler as it Eoin Murphy in goals and that's a decent foundation. Add in Richie Hogan, Paul Murphy and Colin Fennelly and they will be there or there abouts later on added by a handy enough run in Leinster where the odd defeat won't be catastrophic. Still thing Paudie Walsh in fullback is a square peg in a round hole and the right man in on top of him will cause issues.

But have they enough to kick on in the summer months like most other major contenders will?
There's far more to Tipp that they showed yesterday, Galway will be much stronger, Waterford won't become a bad team overnight. Limerick can kick again with a young team.

The likes of Clare, Wexford and maybe KK have shown a good bit of their hand already IMO and maybe won't have the strength in depth for 4 games in 5 weeks and that's maybe where they'll all come unstuck. Injuries to key men and no suitable back ups could spell the end of their summers.
Kilkenny used to win leagues at a canter and you just knew they were treading water, this team was full tilt yesterday, but who knows.

Aagreed on most of that, Could Murphy take the fullback role? As you say, Walsh is plugging a hole there and could come unstuck, now in saying that, he'd decent forwards against him yesterday but that wasnt Tipp's best full forward on show TBH..

Wexford will cause a ripple this year as will Limerick, problem with Limerick is being able to put back to back performances, in a one off game they can be brilliant or shite!  Galway will be rested and looking to peak for the final stages, so i will expect them to be still a bit rusty during Leinster..

Aas for Munster, anyone can win that, my money is on Clare though
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2018, 01:33:40 PM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.

Youíll never learn  ;D youíre obvious Kilkenny hatred makes you look foolish so many times
You can't really hate a hurling team. Maybe Schadenfreude occasionally such as here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgoPvOQPdfQ&t=299s

KK are ranked 3rd by the bookies which seems fair. Like all great managers Cody squeezed the last out of a super cohort and is now missing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65qo0U5630

Kilkenny wonít be there this year but theyíve at least put out some reminders that they ainít going to lie down this summer
Leinster should be interesting with 3 teams in the running.

For three playoff spots! Leinster will be anything but interesting unless Offaly or Dublin can take points from some of the other three and that doesn't look likely.

Munster on the other hand, any three of the five are in with a shout.

Credit to Kilkenny, they showed a great hunger and with TJ Reid and big Walter on song along with the young 19 year old have talent in the squad. Cillian Buckley is a fine hurler as it Eoin Murphy in goals and that's a decent foundation. Add in Richie Hogan, Paul Murphy and Colin Fennelly and they will be there or there abouts later on added by a handy enough run in Leinster where the odd defeat won't be catastrophic. Still thing Paudie Walsh in fullback is a square peg in a round hole and the right man in on top of him will cause issues.

But have they enough to kick on in the summer months like most other major contenders will?
There's far more to Tipp that they showed yesterday, Galway will be much stronger, Waterford won't become a bad team overnight. Limerick can kick again with a young team.

The likes of Clare, Wexford and maybe KK have shown a good bit of their hand already IMO and maybe won't have the strength in depth for 4 games in 5 weeks and that's maybe where they'll all come unstuck. Injuries to key men and no suitable back ups could spell the end of their summers.
Kilkenny used to win leagues at a canter and you just knew they were treading water, this team was full tilt yesterday, but who knows.

Aagreed on most of that, Could Murphy take the fullback role? As you say, Walsh is plugging a hole there and could come unstuck, now in saying that, he'd decent forwards against him yesterday but that wasnt Tipp's best full forward on show TBH..

Wexford will cause a ripple this year as will Limerick, problem with Limerick is being able to put back to back performances, in a one off game they can be brilliant or shite!  Galway will be rested and looking to peak for the final stages, so i will expect them to be still a bit rusty during Leinster..

Aas for Munster, anyone can win that, my money is on Clare though

I'd have thought Murphy would have gotten a run at No 3, but Cody didn't fancy him last year or the year before when JJ hung up the boots. Cody must have had his reasons. Murphy was poor by his standards the last few years and needs to find his form again.

I don't think Clare have got the balance to a team yet. Corner backs have been exposed by pacy forwards, big Cleary looks solid at No 3, but the jury is still out on Davy Mac at centre back and who's either side of him. Cleary performed well there last year. Fitzgerald looked good on his left and Morey is pacy on the right, but would be targeted in the air.
Tony Kelly and where to play him is a concern as currently they play him in midfield but his lack of cut and thrust in the ruck situation means they lack a physical presence in there and are exposed through the centre. Get him on the ball with time and space and he's your man. The way Kilkenny played in this area yesterday will be all too common in the coming months and that's the concern with Kelly. How the game is currently refereed doesn't suit him.
Forward wise Clare are pretty well stacked.
I like Conlon even if he does have the odd brainfart in decision making and big Duggan give Clare an aerial and physical threat that will trouble most defenses. Shane O'Donnell is a class act but has been isolated inside on his own, Reidy is also a very good hurler and has been going well this year. Options wise Podge Collins needs form as does Conor McGrath.

Problem for Clare is that they need to beat Cork the first day out and I don't think they know their best team yet.

It's Tipp or a resurgent Waterford for me.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 01:55:03 PM
Tipp improved 150% between April and August. I dunno if KK can. Not enough iterations imo.

Youíll never learn  ;D youíre obvious Kilkenny hatred makes you look foolish so many times
You can't really hate a hurling team. Maybe Schadenfreude occasionally such as here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgoPvOQPdfQ&t=299s

KK are ranked 3rd by the bookies which seems fair. Like all great managers Cody squeezed the last out of a super cohort and is now missing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65qo0U5630

Kilkenny wonít be there this year but theyíve at least put out some reminders that they ainít going to lie down this summer
Leinster should be interesting with 3 teams in the running.

For three playoff spots! Leinster will be anything but interesting unless Offaly or Dublin can take points from some of the other three and that doesn't look likely.

Munster on the other hand, any three of the five are in with a shout.

Credit to Kilkenny, they showed a great hunger and with TJ Reid and big Walter on song along with the young 19 year old have talent in the squad. Cillian Buckley is a fine hurler as it Eoin Murphy in goals and that's a decent foundation. Add in Richie Hogan, Paul Murphy and Colin Fennelly and they will be there or there abouts later on added by a handy enough run in Leinster where the odd defeat won't be catastrophic. Still thing Paudie Walsh in fullback is a square peg in a round hole and the right man in on top of him will cause issues.

But have they enough to kick on in the summer months like most other major contenders will?
There's far more to Tipp that they showed yesterday, Galway will be much stronger, Waterford won't become a bad team overnight. Limerick can kick again with a young team.

The likes of Clare, Wexford and maybe KK have shown a good bit of their hand already IMO and maybe won't have the strength in depth for 4 games in 5 weeks and that's maybe where they'll all come unstuck. Injuries to key men and no suitable back ups could spell the end of their summers.
Kilkenny used to win leagues at a canter and you just knew they were treading water, this team was full tilt yesterday, but who knows.

Aagreed on most of that, Could Murphy take the fullback role? As you say, Walsh is plugging a hole there and could come unstuck, now in saying that, he'd decent forwards against him yesterday but that wasnt Tipp's best full forward on show TBH..

Wexford will cause a ripple this year as will Limerick, problem with Limerick is being able to put back to back performances, in a one off game they can be brilliant or shite!  Galway will be rested and looking to peak for the final stages, so i will expect them to be still a bit rusty during Leinster..

Aas for Munster, anyone can win that, my money is on Clare though

I'd have thought Murphy would have gotten a run at No 3, but Cody didn't fancy him last year or the year before when JJ hung up the boots. Cody must have had his reasons. Murphy was poor by his standards the last few years and needs to find his form again.

I don't think Clare have got the balance to a team yet. Corner backs have been exposed by pacy forwards, big Cleary looks solid at No 3, but the jury is still out on Davy Mac at centre back and who's either side of him. Cleary performed well there last year. Fitzgerald looked good on his left and Morey is pacy on the right, but would be targeted in the air.
Tony Kelly and where to play him is a concern as currently they play him in midfield but his lack of cut and thrust in the ruck situation means they lack a physical presence in there and are exposed through the centre. Get him on the ball with time and space and he's your man. The way Kilkenny played in this area yesterday will be all too common in the coming months and that's the concern with Kelly. How the game is currently refereed doesn't suit him.
Forward wise Clare are pretty well stacked.
I like Conlon even if he does have the odd brainfart in decision making and big Duggan give Clare an aerial and physical threat that will trouble most defenses. Shane O'Donnell is a class act but has been isolated inside on his own, Reidy is also a very good hurler and has been going well this year. Options wise Podge Collins needs form as does Conor McGrath.

Problem for Clare is that they need to beat Cork the first day out and I don't think they know their best team yet.

It's Tipp or a resurgent Waterford for me.

Should Waterford do it with this current crop and management I'd be happy for them but by fcuk it must be playing on your mind whether or not they ever will get over the line.. Tipp as you have said on so many occasions go missing, when they are on top they never kill off the team, they have a spell where they just couldnt buy a score or catch a ball!

would never write off Kilkenny and as I said Limerick if they could put together 2/3 wins in a row could actually do something.. But if Galway can get back mentally to where they were last year then its theirs if they want it . 2 in a row would make up for all the ones that have past them by and history is behind them with the team of the 80's managing a couple of wins
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2018, 02:05:31 PM
Barring Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran Waterford are a very young team. A load of those lads are early 20's with their best years ahead of them.

Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see McGrath play another man inside the full forward line as it must be a killer for whoever he leaves up there on their own.
Tipp have their number over the last few years tactics wise and McGrath needs to go for the throat in attack even if they do concede a few more points down the other end.
Still think they'll get out of Munster and build from there.

I think Cork may struggle as I thought they rode their luck last year.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 09, 2018, 02:22:12 PM
One factor that shouldn't be overlooked re. Waterford is they have no home games in Munster. They play Clare in Ennis in their first game, and Tipp and Limerick in the Gaelic Grounds after that on 2 consecutive weeks. They'd then have Cork below in Thurles.  All other teams have 2 home games, so that's going to be a disadvantage to them.

If they do manage to navigate that, then yes, they'll be dangerous.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2018, 02:42:18 PM
One factor that shouldn't be overlooked re. Waterford is they have no home games in Munster. They play Clare in Ennis in their first game, and Tipp and Limerick in the Gaelic Grounds after that on 2 consecutive weeks. They'd then have Cork below in Thurles.  All other teams have 2 home games, so that's going to be a disadvantage to them.

If they do manage to navigate that, then yes, they'll be dangerous.

I knew that, but their record in Dungarvan is that poor a bigger pitch like Thurles or the Gaelic Grounds might suit their style of play anyways.

Top three is all that matters.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 09, 2018, 02:44:49 PM
Walsh Park is surely where they'd like to play.  If they lose to Clare on day 1, and then lose to Tipp in Limerick, you're behind the 8 ball straight away.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 09, 2018, 03:24:48 PM
Walsh Park is surely where they'd like to play.  If they lose to Clare on day 1, and then lose to Tipp in Limerick, you're behind the 8 ball straight away.

Apologies, Walsh park is what I meant to say.

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 09, 2018, 04:56:20 PM
Walsh Park is surely where they'd like to play.  If they lose to Clare on day 1, and then lose to Tipp in Limerick, you're behind the 8 ball straight away.

Apologies, Walsh park is what I meant to say.

No hassle, I thought I missed something :) Dungarvan is where they shove us big ballers out to play :)
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 10, 2018, 09:42:56 AM
Striking just how many lets say unconventional stickmen KK have at the minute.

Big Walter is the most obvious cack hander, but TJ Reid and Joey Holden look like natural left handers who are inclined to strike across the body, nothing untoward about that.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: mouview on April 10, 2018, 03:08:06 PM
Barring Brick Walsh and Kevin Moran Waterford are a very young team. A load of those lads are early 20's with their best years ahead of them.

Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see McGrath play another man inside the full forward line as it must be a killer for whoever he leaves up there on their own.
Tipp have their number over the last few years tactics wise and McGrath needs to go for the throat in attack even if they do concede a few more points down the other end.
Still think they'll get out of Munster and build from there.

I think Cork may struggle as I thought they rode their luck last year.

That's the trouble. I think Waterford's younger players are inclined to play, or want to play, in a different way than what McGrath tactically demands. They weren't necessarily lucky to get to the AI final last year, but they did catch a good break in the semi' with the Cork sending-off, and I don't think they could have achieved anymore than what they did given their set-up. I thought in the aftermath of the final, and still do, that they probably need a few more good players there to complement the number of good ones they already have, and that a more expansive game-plan would also be needed. They've had a very poor league and I suspect there's a lot of unrest in the camp. At the moment I'd actually put them 5th out of 5 in Munster.

Cork can be mercurial and streaky and I think they were keeping their powder dry a bit for the c'ship. I feel Meyler as manager is a step-down from Kingston though and they might find it harder to get on a roll this season, unlike last. Think it could be between them and suddenly-vulnerable Tipp' for the third spot behind Limerick and Clare.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 10, 2018, 09:52:56 PM
Striking just how many lets say unconventional stickmen KK have at the minute.

Big Walter is the most obvious cack hander, but TJ Reid and Joey Holden look like natural left handers who are inclined to strike across the body, nothing untoward about that.
Walter is used to bullying his way through lads
cannot understand why referees don't blow a free against a player who runs straight into their opponent
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 11, 2018, 08:36:49 AM
Striking just how many lets say unconventional stickmen KK have at the minute.

Big Walter is the most obvious cack hander, but TJ Reid and Joey Holden look like natural left handers who are inclined to strike across the body, nothing untoward about that.
Walter is used to bullying his way through lads
cannot understand why referees don't blow a free against a player who runs straight into their opponent

Because that's what keeping the game flowing and manly hurling is all about (c) Eddie Keher.

Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 09:22:31 AM
I remember he laid out Fergal Moore, the Galway captain, back in a league quarter or semi final in Thurles a few years ago. Jaysus he's a big unit.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2018, 10:51:13 AM
Striking just how many lets say unconventional stickmen KK have at the minute.

Big Walter is the most obvious cack hander, but TJ Reid and Joey Holden look like natural left handers who are inclined to strike across the body, nothing untoward about that.
Walter is used to bullying his way through lads
cannot understand why referees don't blow a free against a player who runs straight into their opponent

Because that's what keeping the game flowing and manly hurling is all about (c) Eddie Keher.

Just cause he's bigger should he be treated any different to a small forward or defender who try and bully their way past someone ?

 If referee's were to blow everytime a bigger player knocks a smaller player down then we'd have the worst stop start game about!! As long as he's within the rules he should be treated the same as someone who's my size..
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 11:14:13 AM
The point, MR2, is he is using that strength to barrel past people illegally. Basically he's charging with the ball. A smaller man would be held up a lot easier and give away a free for over carrying. If Walter runs into you and bowls you over, that's a free out too.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2018, 01:33:13 PM
The point, MR2, is he is using that strength to barrel past people illegally. Basically he's charging with the ball. A smaller man would be held up a lot easier and give away a free for over carrying. If Walter runs charges into you and bowls you over, that's a free out too.

You can barrel all you want, if charge into their front or back its a foul
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 01:34:08 PM
Yes. He charges.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2018, 01:49:48 PM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 01:52:37 PM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2018, 05:55:53 PM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 11, 2018, 07:59:24 PM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it
No he doesn't
The tackler is entitled to stand their ground

A referee needs to implement the rules
If you try and go through a player with the ball hand and hurley up pushing against the helmet then it's clearly a free against

What does 'manly hurling mean?
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2018, 08:28:15 PM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it
No he doesn't
The tackler is entitled to stand their ground

A referee needs to implement the rules
If you try and go through a player with the ball hand and hurley up pushing against the helmet then it's clearly a free against

What does 'manly hurling mean?

You are describing a charge, a player needs to play the ball, thatís the defender and forward, if he stands his ground thatís fine, but if he puts his arms on him as heís trying to pass him heís fouling him, as for a player with the ball he must play the ball or drop it or take his 4 steps if he puts a player on his arse legally then itís play on.. if he raises a hurl/elbow/forearm to an opponents face/head then thatís a foul. A charge is a simple charge also a foul!

Manly hurling is when  players just get on with it without the bitching! How itís normaly played
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 11, 2018, 09:45:20 PM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it
No he doesn't
The tackler is entitled to stand their ground

A referee needs to implement the rules
If you try and go through a player with the ball hand and hurley up pushing against the helmet then it's clearly a free against

What does 'manly hurling mean?

You are describing a charge, a player needs to play the ball, thatís the defender and forward, if he stands his ground thatís fine, but if he puts his arms on him as heís trying to pass him heís fouling him, as for a player with the ball he must play the ball or drop it or take his 4 steps if he puts a player on his arse legally then itís play on.. if he raises a hurl/elbow/forearm to an opponents face/head then thatís a foul. A charge is a simple charge also a foul!

Manly hurling is when  players just get on with it without the bitching! How itís normaly played
Hard to play hurling when you've lads running through you like rugby
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 11, 2018, 10:49:12 PM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it
No he doesn't
The tackler is entitled to stand their ground

A referee needs to implement the rules
If you try and go through a player with the ball hand and hurley up pushing against the helmet then it's clearly a free against

What does 'manly hurling mean?

You are describing a charge, a player needs to play the ball, thatís the defender and forward, if he stands his ground thatís fine, but if he puts his arms on him as heís trying to pass him heís fouling him, as for a player with the ball he must play the ball or drop it or take his 4 steps if he puts a player on his arse legally then itís play on.. if he raises a hurl/elbow/forearm to an opponents face/head then thatís a foul. A charge is a simple charge also a foul!

Manly hurling is when  players just get on with it without the bitching! How itís normaly played
Hard to play hurling when you've lads running through you like rugby

Try it some time
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 11, 2018, 11:13:46 PM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it
No he doesn't
The tackler is entitled to stand their ground

A referee needs to implement the rules
If you try and go through a player with the ball hand and hurley up pushing against the helmet then it's clearly a free against

What does 'manly hurling mean?

You are describing a charge, a player needs to play the ball, thatís the defender and forward, if he stands his ground thatís fine, but if he puts his arms on him as heís trying to pass him heís fouling him, as for a player with the ball he must play the ball or drop it or take his 4 steps if he puts a player on his arse legally then itís play on.. if he raises a hurl/elbow/forearm to an opponents face/head then thatís a foul. A charge is a simple charge also a foul!

Manly hurling is when  players just get on with it without the bitching! How itís normaly played
Hard to play hurling when you've lads running through you like rugby

Try it some time

Hurling was better as a game in the 90s and early noughties before the plough through your man power hurling that Cody and Kilkenny have espoused


Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 12, 2018, 08:25:42 AM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it

You sure about that?

IMO if someone is straight in front of you and even if you haven't exceeded your 4 steps I don't think you've the right to frontal "barge" them out of the way. You have to at least make an effort to go round them.
The allowable shoulder charge is shoulder to shoulder, hip to hip which you can't do if you're standing face on with someone.


Now, what the rule book says and how hurling is currently being refereed are miles apart when it comes to tackling.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2018, 09:38:13 AM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it

You sure about that?

IMO if someone is straight in front of you and even if you haven't exceeded your 4 steps I don't think you've the right to frontal "barge" them out of the way. You have to at least make an effort to go round them.
The allowable shoulder charge is shoulder to shoulder, hip to hip which you can't do if you're standing face on with someone.


Now, what the rule book says and how hurling is currently being refereed are miles apart when it comes to tackling.

Frontal barge into someones front or back is a charge so its a foul, but he can lift his arms in a way to try and get around him, if the player in front is trying to stop him illegally, i.e putting arms around him, on him, or pulling his arm then its a free, well thats how I read the the game, one person trying to play ball, other not..

Does Magic get pulled for trying to get around players with ball in hand, he's a big lad, whats been your experience of his 'runs' with the ball?

If I see a honest attempt of a player with ball trying to get past an opponent then I'll let him try, if the other players are holding grappling or pulling then I'll give the free, by the same token if the lad with the ball lifts his feet into a tackle thats a charge, if he raises a elbow/arm going into that same takle then thats a foul also, and if he doesnt play the ball within the 4 steps 5/6 seconds then he's foulded the ball (provided he was held up illegally i.e a player just standing his ground and not pulling/holding grappling)

You are all playing it long enough to know what a foul is in those circumstances, while others find themselves in this position a lot due to their awkwardness, style or size the ref can only call it as he sees it.

I prefer a contact sport to no contact sport, there will be ones that take it to the max, its the ref's call at that point, he my not get them all, and I'm guilty of reflecting afterwards of whether I made the right call, but you go with your gut at the time.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: johnnycool on April 12, 2018, 09:45:44 AM
Yes. He charges.

Definition of a charge?

I would define a charge as head down, not playing the ball, and deliberately running into a player who is standing in front of you.

Yes, you wonít get to many 6í4 players running around in hurling with the head down, if he has the ball and takes four steps and a player stands in his way he has a right to go through him, legally.. he canít charge him i.e turn side on shoulder to his front or back, but can use his strength to get by.. can you imagine stopping all those runs?

A charge is very easy to call as a ref, someone with ball and stick in hand, upright and honest Iíll let go. If a defender tries to stop him by putting his arms around him and not trying to play ball itís a foul.. to be fair though he is an awkward big Cnut and t**ker bell feet heís not got, so Iíll give him the benefit for now, but Iíve the game recorded from Sunday so Iíll check it

You sure about that?

IMO if someone is straight in front of you and even if you haven't exceeded your 4 steps I don't think you've the right to frontal "barge" them out of the way. You have to at least make an effort to go round them.
The allowable shoulder charge is shoulder to shoulder, hip to hip which you can't do if you're standing face on with someone.


Now, what the rule book says and how hurling is currently being refereed are miles apart when it comes to tackling.

Frontal barge into someones front or back is a charge so its a foul, but he can lift his arms in a way to try and get around him, if the player in front is trying to stop him illegally, i.e putting arms around him, on him, or pulling his arm then its a free, well thats how I read the the game, one person trying to play ball, other not..

Does Magic get pulled for trying to get around players with ball in hand, he's a big lad, whats been your experience of his 'runs' with the ball?

If I see a honest attempt of a player with ball trying to get past an opponent then I'll let him try, if the other players are holding grappling or pulling then I'll give the free, by the same token if the lad with the ball lifts his feet into a tackle thats a charge, if he raises a elbow/arm going into that same takle then thats a foul also, and if he doesnt play the ball within the 4 steps 5/6 seconds then he's foulded the ball (provided he was held up illegally i.e a player just standing his ground and not pulling/holding grappling)

You are all playing it long enough to know what a foul is in those circumstances, while others find themselves in this position a lot due to their awkwardness, style or size the ref can only call it as he sees it.

I prefer a contact sport to no contact sport, there will be ones that take it to the max, its the ref's call at that point, he my not get them all, and I'm guilty of reflecting afterwards of whether I made the right call, but you go with your gut at the time.

Yes, provided they try and go around him. Big Walter doesn't do that a lot of the time and he's not the only one.

Big Magic is a big softie and doesn't use his size the way he could, too much of a ball player. I tried my best to educate him in the darker arts, but he wasn't a responsive student.  ;D
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2018, 09:51:16 AM
Well if he's honest then he'd get the majority of the calls, my main problem with players nowadays (as a ref) is looking for free's!! and explaining the rules to you.. gone are the days of playing to the whistle, they stop, throw their hurls down and have a hissy fit!

 
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 13, 2018, 07:42:27 AM
Well if he's honest then he'd get the majority of the calls, my main problem with players nowadays (as a ref) is looking for free's!! and explaining the rules to you.. gone are the days of playing to the whistle, they stop, throw their hurls down and have a hissy fit!
It's the opposite
If a ref enforces the rules and explains the calls as he goes along with clear hand gestures then generally players get on with it

If you raise your ball hand and hurley into the face of a player and try and push him out if the way then surely it is a free.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2018, 09:38:11 AM
Well if he's honest then he'd get the majority of the calls, my main problem with players nowadays (as a ref) is looking for free's!! and explaining the rules to you.. gone are the days of playing to the whistle, they stop, throw their hurls down and have a hissy fit!
It's the opposite
If a ref enforces the rules and explains the calls as he goes along with clear hand gestures then generally players get on with it

If you raise your ball hand and hurley into the face of a player and try and push him out if the way then surely it is a free.

Of course its a free, and its up to the ref to call it.. as for your first point, i talk all the way through a match, you'll still get arseholes who'll question your call everytime, even though you are on top of them when making it..

One of the hardest calls  in hurling thats gets on most people goats is the square ball (and hand pass), to be in the right position to see the square when you are in one end of the pitch and the ball is hammered up the pitch 80 yards towards the square! I'm quick and in some games quicker than the players but there is no way you can see a square in some grounds from 60 70 yards away!! They need to look at that rule to be honest.. ok when you have umpires and lines men with radio links but the general league games! impossible
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 13, 2018, 09:26:25 PM
Well if he's honest then he'd get the majority of the calls, my main problem with players nowadays (as a ref) is looking for free's!! and explaining the rules to you.. gone are the days of playing to the whistle, they stop, throw their hurls down and have a hissy fit!
It's the opposite
If a ref enforces the rules and explains the calls as he goes along with clear hand gestures then generally players get on with it

If you raise your ball hand and hurley into the face of a player and try and push him out if the way then surely it is a free.

Of course its a free, and its up to the ref to call it.. as for your first point, i talk all the way through a match, you'll still get arseholes who'll question your call everytime, even though you are on top of them when making it..

One of the hardest calls  in hurling thats gets on most people goats is the square ball (and hand pass), to be in the right position to see the square when you are in one end of the pitch and the ball is hammered up the pitch 80 yards towards the square! I'm quick and in some games quicker than the players but there is no way you can see a square in some grounds from 60 70 yards away!! They need to look at that rule to be honest.. ok when you have umpires and lines men with radio links but the general league games! impossible
Why the need for a square ball rule?
Surely just protect the keeper more - not allowed tackle him while ball is in the air

Most county players go straight at opponent with ball hand raised and hurley up high

The other one is 'locking' a tackling players hurley around your neck and getting a free for a high tackle...
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2018, 09:58:15 PM
Well if he's honest then he'd get the majority of the calls, my main problem with players nowadays (as a ref) is looking for free's!! and explaining the rules to you.. gone are the days of playing to the whistle, they stop, throw their hurls down and have a hissy fit!
It's the opposite
If a ref enforces the rules and explains the calls as he goes along with clear hand gestures then generally players get on with it

If you raise your ball hand and hurley into the face of a player and try and push him out if the way then surely it is a free.

Of course its a free, and its up to the ref to call it.. as for your first point, i talk all the way through a match, you'll still get arseholes who'll question your call everytime, even though you are on top of them when making it..

One of the hardest calls  in hurling thats gets on most people goats is the square ball (and hand pass), to be in the right position to see the square when you are in one end of the pitch and the ball is hammered up the pitch 80 yards towards the square! I'm quick and in some games quicker than the players but there is no way you can see a square in some grounds from 60 70 yards away!! They need to look at that rule to be honest.. ok when you have umpires and lines men with radio links but the general league games! impossible
Why the need for a square ball rule?
Surely just protect the keeper more - not allowed tackle him while ball is in the air

Most county players go straight at opponent with ball hand raised and hurley up high

The other one is 'locking' a tackling players hurley around your neck and getting a free for a high tackle...

Youíve people who watch a match and with the advantage of slow mo and replays think this and that. The reality is completely different. The ref, whoís more experienced than you on applying the rules will have one chance to call it. Now if youíve ever played at any level youíll understand that..

Now Iíve been refíing for ten years, Iíve played senior for 25 years and managed our seniors for few seasons, so Iíd like to think Iíve a good idea on tackles, fouls.
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 13, 2018, 10:35:27 PM
Well if he's honest then he'd get the majority of the calls, my main problem with players nowadays (as a ref) is looking for free's!! and explaining the rules to you.. gone are the days of playing to the whistle, they stop, throw their hurls down and have a hissy fit!
It's the opposite
If a ref enforces the rules and explains the calls as he goes along with clear hand gestures then generally players get on with it

If you raise your ball hand and hurley into the face of a player and try and push him out if the way then surely it is a free.

Of course its a free, and its up to the ref to call it.. as for your first point, i talk all the way through a match, you'll still get arseholes who'll question your call everytime, even though you are on top of them when making it..

One of the hardest calls  in hurling thats gets on most people goats is the square ball (and hand pass), to be in the right position to see the square when you are in one end of the pitch and the ball is hammered up the pitch 80 yards towards the square! I'm quick and in some games quicker than the players but there is no way you can see a square in some grounds from 60 70 yards away!! They need to look at that rule to be honest.. ok when you have umpires and lines men with radio links but the general league games! impossible
Why the need for a square ball rule?
Surely just protect the keeper more - not allowed tackle him while ball is in the air

Most county players go straight at opponent with ball hand raised and hurley up high

The other one is 'locking' a tackling players hurley around your neck and getting a free for a high tackle...

Youíve people who watch a match and with the advantage of slow mo and replays think this and that. The reality is completely different. The ref, whoís more experienced than you on applying the rules will have one chance to call it. Now if youíve ever played at any level youíll understand that..

Now Iíve been refíing for ten years, Iíve played senior for 25 years and managed our seniors for few seasons, so Iíd like to think Iíve a good idea on tackles, fouls.
ok. I referee a bit.
coach a few teams. some to a high enough level
still play a bit when needed
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2018, 10:51:40 PM
Well your views on things differ to mine and thatís fine.. refíd a game tonight and serious amount of bullshite from supporters and the lines at times makes ya wonder
Title: Re: The 2018 National Hurling Leagues Discussion Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 14, 2018, 08:06:29 AM
Well your views on things differ to mine and thatís fine.. refíd a game tonight and serious amount of bullshite from supporters and the lines at times makes ya wonder
Yeah sometimes you'd wonder if supporters go to watch a game or to give out