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Title: man city new invincibles
Post by: mayoaremagic on December 10, 2017, 05:03:31 PM
Can this man city go 100 games unbeaten? Some team
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 10, 2017, 05:24:13 PM
They were beat in midweek
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 10, 2017, 05:26:25 PM
They were beat in midweek

Close the thread  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on December 10, 2017, 06:11:16 PM
 8)

Wheres next
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Denn Forever on December 11, 2017, 01:53:47 PM
I don't think you want to lable them that if you support them.  Remember Arsenal Invincibles?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 08, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: nrico2006 on April 08, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 09, 2018, 12:33:17 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 09, 2018, 01:13:58 PM
As even Wigan Athletic proved this Manchester City side were far from invincible.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 09, 2018, 03:02:38 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.

I never said I was into statistical maths, but that would explain a lot about you

Its called the rub of the green, if you've ever played a sport before you'll have been in the position that luck has went your way during a match, and times were it hasnt, if your the type that luck has never ever went your way (which i think would be true for you) then I'd stop playing  ;)

Who was it that said, you make your own luck?


Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 03:09:02 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.

I never said I was into statistical maths, but that would explain a lot about you

Its called the rub of the green, if you've ever played a sport before you'll have been in the position that luck has went your way during a match, and times were it hasnt, if your the type that luck has never ever went your way (which i think would be true for you) then I'd stop playing  ;)

Who was it that said, you make your own luck?

Probably the same fellas who came up with all the other hollow cliches in sport.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on April 09, 2018, 03:39:49 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.

I never said I was into statistical maths, but that would explain a lot about you

Its called the rub of the green, if you've ever played a sport before you'll have been in the position that luck has went your way during a match, and times were it hasnt, if your the type that luck has never ever went your way (which i think would be true for you) then I'd stop playing  ;)

Who was it that said, you make your own luck?

Probably the same fellas who came up with all the other hollow cliches in sport.

While he wasn’t the origin of it one of the greatest golfers of all time Gary Player is attributed as using ‘the harder I practice the luckier I get’ maxim on a number of occasions. I would not classify him as one who comes up with ‘hollow cliches’ and he certainly has walked the walk and talked the talk. You often find hurlers on the ditch seem to think that these cliches are just phraseology but the reason they become cliches is that once upon a time they were true (or perhaps they always are true!). I know that anyone who has played sport at any level knows that you do create your own ‘luck’ by hard work and practice. Also perrenial losers always blame ‘bad luck’ ‘bad referees’ ‘bad conditions’ ,  all external things to mask their own failures. The old cliche of you get out of life what you put in is true, the same way in sport, you’ll get out of a sport what you put in.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Syferus on April 09, 2018, 03:42:36 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

These things even themselves out over the course of the season, some go for you others against, City will win it in 2 weeks at home against a lesser team.. Great team just a tad unlucky last couple games

Those that say random events even themselves out over any length of time have a very tenuous grasp of statistical mathematics.

I never said I was into statistical maths, but that would explain a lot about you

Its called the rub of the green, if you've ever played a sport before you'll have been in the position that luck has went your way during a match, and times were it hasnt, if your the type that luck has never ever went your way (which i think would be true for you) then I'd stop playing  ;)

Who was it that said, you make your own luck?

Probably the same fellas who came up with all the other hollow cliches in sport.

While he wasn’t the origin of it one of the greatest golfers of all time Gary Player is attributed as using ‘the harder I practice the luckier I get’ maxim on a number of occasions. I would not classify him as one who comes up with ‘hollow cliches’ and he certainly has walked the walk and talked the talk. You often find hurlers on the ditch seem to think that these cliches are just phraseology but the reason they become cliches is that once upon a time they were true (or perhaps they always are true!). I know that anyone who has played sport at any level knows that you do create your own ‘luck’ by hard work and practice. Also perrenial losers always blame ‘bad luck’ ‘bad referees’ ‘bad conditions’ ,  all external things to mask their own failures. The old cliche of you get out of life what you put in is true, the same way in sport, you’ll get out of a sport what you put in.

If the idea is motivation the words used are interchangeable. They are literally meaningless.

Luck is random. Effort isn’t.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: David McKeown on April 10, 2018, 04:40:46 PM
While the referee was a disgrace yesterday (can't remember a worse performance in PL) we should have been out of sight at half time.

Sterling has had a great season but his old failings came back to haunt him.

Time to move on and get tore into the bottlers Tuesday night

The ref was fine yesterday

Penalty decision was a shocker and thats just for starters

I thought the penalty decision could have gone either way. Young gets to the ball first, Aguero arrived almost at the same time the coming regathering of the two on the ball forces Young's foot onto the ground where it bounces up into the shin of Aguero.

Interestingly 5 mins later City won the ball back off MacTominay in similar circumstances but there was no talk of it being a foul at all. Think it may have lead to the Aguero chance as well.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: StGallsGAA on April 10, 2018, 09:58:10 PM
Think it could be time to change the title of the thread lads... 3 capitulations in the space of a week.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: mouview on April 10, 2018, 10:09:11 PM
Citeh quite unlucky with officialdom it must be said. Had goals ruled out on very questionable offsides in both games.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Captain Obvious on April 10, 2018, 10:14:59 PM
Citeh quite unlucky with officialdom it must be said. Had goals ruled out on very questionable offsides in both games.
Any excuses needs to be parked. Beaten 5-1 over two legs and created just three shots on target in the two matches.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2018, 10:15:31 PM
Citeh quite unlucky with officialdom it must be said. Had goals ruled out on very questionable offsides in both games.

Man City would remind you of the Galway hurlers a few years ago. Highly regarded but pure usheless against Monaco last year. Big clear out. Highly regarded but pure usheless against Liverpool this year....Drop.lhe heads with 20 minutes to.go.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: David McKeown on April 10, 2018, 10:53:12 PM
I thought City were superb first half and got the wrong end of the decision on at least three major decisions.  They could have had three penalties and Sane's goal should have stood.  If they got any of those decisions it could have been a very different game.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: From the Bunker on April 10, 2018, 10:59:36 PM
I thought City were superb first half and got the wrong end of the decision on at least three major decisions.  They could have had three penalties and Sane's goal should have stood.  If they got any of those decisions it could have been a very different game.

+1 (and I'm a Liverpool fan!)

 
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Cunny Funt on April 10, 2018, 11:02:26 PM
I thought City were superb first half and got the wrong end of the decision on at least three major decisions.  They could have had three penalties and Sane's goal should have stood.  If they got any of those decisions it could have been a very different game.
Sane goal yes but the penalties were dives and only a poor ref would have given those.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: laoislad on April 10, 2018, 11:03:20 PM
I thought City were superb first half and got the wrong end of the decision on at least three major decisions.  They could have had three penalties and Sane's goal should have stood.  If they got any of those decisions it could have been a very different game.
Penalties? Not a hope were any of them penalties.
Also the first goal was a foul on VVD so if that goal isn't given you also have a different game.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 12:13:29 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

As for the penalties I think one possibly two could have been given but they would have been harsh.

The Sane goal was simply awful officiating although so was the Mane booking
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 08:26:44 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: AZOffaly on April 11, 2018, 08:31:03 AM
City very unlucky with that second goal. Definitely should have stood. Would have made it very nervy indeed, but the damage was really done by not scoring at Anfield.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Hound on April 11, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul. 
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: David McKeown on April 11, 2018, 08:52:47 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul.

I wasn't ignoring it I was simply wondering what it was that he was complaining about as I had been watching that part of the match without sound.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 11, 2018, 09:31:17 AM
City were on the wrong end of a really poor decisions last night but that game was lost in 20 crazy minutes at Anfield; Pep's team have form for this in the CL, so many times his teams have just have a spell where they fall apart. City were always going to tire in that 2nd half and were always going to have to score 5 goals to win, that decision last night didn't impact on the result.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: RedHand88 on April 11, 2018, 09:34:37 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

From 1-0?? No I dont think so. Liverpool were battered in the first half regardless of whether it was 1-0 or 2-0. Klopp steadied the ship and Liverpool battered City in the second half. No contest. Better team won on the night and in the tie.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2018, 09:42:00 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.   
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 11, 2018, 09:47:05 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul.
Exactly this.
There was nothing in the initial clip that he was appealing for , but the following push out over the line was certainly a foul and took him out of the game for the city break which they scored from.
The sane goal obviously should have stood, but i can see how the referee got this wrong as it wasn't obvious on first look that it had came off Milner and not Jesus.
You can argue that this decision changed the shape of the tie, but no more so that allowing the first city goal after 2 minutes, which put liverpool under immense pressure right from the very start of the game
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: blewuporstuffed on April 11, 2018, 09:48:01 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.
Half a dozen??
ah now come on  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on April 11, 2018, 09:55:18 AM
Plenty of decisions went City's way earlier on in the season, can remember Bravo's tackle last year which could have broke Rooney's leg which would have been a pen and a red card. These things happen, City should be more concerned why their team manage to concede so many goals in a short space of time, its a reoccurring theme for Pep.

City look tired in the last 2 games as did Bayern when did in the later stages of Europe when Pep was their, he flogs his players earlier on in the season and naturally later on in the season it affects them. I saw stats a few months ago which showed how much City were putting into games in terms of sprints, they would sprint far more in games then everyone else. He's had plenty of opportunity to rest his best players earlier on in the season but he didn't, he's flogged De Bruyne and its showed the past week.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Rufus T Firefly on April 11, 2018, 09:56:31 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

That would have been my sense as well. I thought they came out in the second half totally deflated and could not get the same tempo going.

I'm no fan of City, but I thought across the last three games they have got the wrong end of half a dozen huge refereeing decisions, that were game changers, and I'm not referring to any dubious penalty decisions last night.
Half a dozen??
ah now come on  ;D

Well, off the top of my head Liverpool's first goal at Annfield and a City goal disallowed for same - two offside decisions - two penalty claims against Ashley Young in the Manchester derby - and the 'offside' goal not given last night.

Five that come to mind straightaway.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: laoislad on April 11, 2018, 09:58:06 AM
I really don't see what Van Dyke is complaining about as in I must have missed it because I saw absolutely nothing rather than I saw it and think he's wrong. What exactly happened?

Agree that he shouldn't have been complaining. He got a small clip on the heel from Sterling, but there was little in it, it didn't seem to impede him at all, he was still in clear possession, so just get on with it.

However, just because he's wrongly appealing for a foul and looking for a free he doesn't deserve, that doesn't mean you can just ignore the subsequent foul. As Van Dijk is playing the ball forward, Sterling connects with him in the chest with his arm/forearm/elbow, which knocks Van Dijk over. It's an absolutely clear foul.

I wasn't ignoring it I was simply wondering what it was that he was complaining about as I had been watching that part of the match without sound.
You clearly are ignoring it. As Hound said the second incident where Sterling pushes VVD over the sideline is a definite foul so therefore the first goal should not have stood. If City don't score after 2 mins of the game then it's an entirely different game. Yes the Sane goal should have been given but you can't just ignore the fact their first goal shouldn't have been.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 11, 2018, 10:04:16 AM
Shafted by another refereeing decision.
2-0 at ht and the second half takes on a totally different complexion

From 1-0?? No I dont think so. Liverpool were battered in the first half regardless of whether it was 1-0 or 2-0. Klopp steadied the ship and Liverpool battered City in the second half. No contest. Better team won on the night and in the tie.

2-0 at ht and it is going exactly to plan for City.

The nerves would have definitely set in - as it was the disallowed goal gave Liverpool a great lift and you could see City arguing with the ref going in at half time and still hadnt composed themselves when the 2nd half started
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: NAG1 on April 11, 2018, 10:17:03 AM
In all seriousness to me it looks like City have just run out of energy at the wrong time.

The defeat at Anfield was a big blow, Liverpool had way more energy and drive that night. Against United in another big game they were only able to play in fits and starts and not close the game out, again last night they did not look fresh or full of zip as they have done for most of the season.

Credit to Liverpool the way they set up for both legs.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Farrandeelin on April 11, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
In all seriousness to me it looks like City have just run out of energy at the wrong time.

Was thinking that myself. It's a pity they are so far ahead in the league though.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 16, 2018, 08:32:07 AM
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: AZOffaly on April 16, 2018, 08:35:37 AM
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season

They won't.

And as for Liverpool, is this the first instance of Next Year is Our Year spouted by an opposition fan? :)
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Taylor on April 16, 2018, 09:06:00 AM
Another one in the bag without even kicking a ball.

Utd are a seriously bad outfit and it looks like JM has lost the dressing room as there is no way players could all play so badly at the same time. Atrocious outfit.
Spurs should pump them next week in Cup.

In fact it shows how poor some of the other teams in the league are when they are second.

Liverpool look the only team who could challenge us next season

They won't.

And as for Liverpool, is this the first instance of Next Year is Our Year spouted by an opposition fan? :)

 ;D
Maybe when you hear something so often you start to believe it.

Spurs werent good on Saturday but at least they have something about them. Hope JM stays at that club for life
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: seafoid on April 16, 2018, 09:39:23 AM
This article is from 2016 before Guardiola went to Manchester City.
Very interesting given the Champions League exits to Monaco and now Liverpool. 

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/ken-early-guardiola-failed-in-his-main-task-at-bayern-1.2640203
 Ken Early: Guardiola failed in his main task at Bayern
Bayern’s idea was to dominate the Champions League as Guardiola’s Barcelona had
 
‘I’ve done my best here,” said Pep Guardiola after losing his third and last Champions League semi-final with FC Bayern. “But if you say that I had to win the Champions League, then I’ve failed. Go ahead and write that I have failed.”
Actually, the verdicts have been rather restrained. Last week, when Atlético Madrid knocked Bayern out, the crowd in Munich didn’t boo. They had too much respect for the effort they had seen from their team. But the fact that Guardiola and Bayern tried doesn’t mean they haven’t failed.
Guardiola’s Bayern dominated the Bundesliga so thoroughly that the three leagues they won under him rank among the least exciting title races in German history. But Bayern did not hire him to win the Bundesliga. They have 80 per cent more money than their closest rivals, Borussia Dortmund, and keep buying their best players.
As Felix Magath pointed out: “In these circumstances it would have been more surprising if he had not won the league.”
No, Bayern’s idea was to dominate the Champions League as Guardiola’s Barcelona had done. They wanted to stamp the name of Bayern indelibly on the era. Instead, 2013-16 will go down as an age of Spanish dominance unprecedented since the start of the 1960s.

Too perfect

Catalan writer Sònia Gelmà suggests that Guardiola’s problem is that he is simply “too perfect”. “Too educated, too elegant, too neat, too successful.” She argues that Guardiola’s extreme accomplishment aroused suspicion and resentment. She advises those who would judge Guardiola a failure: do so by all means, but at least be consistent. “Judge yourself by the same standards, and then try not to kill yourself.”

Guardiola is certainly one of those guys who seems to have it all, and when such a figure suffers a setback there is often more schadenfreude than sympathy. And Guardiola has had an incredible career; the charge that he is “a failure” is absurd.
But the charge that he has failed at Bayern is not. And the notion that any criticism of the maestro must be rooted in envy of his perfection is laughable. Guardiola was good at Bayern, but he was far from perfect.
For a start, a perfect coach would not have been so quick to point the finger at others when things went wrong.
Marti Perarnau’s book Pep Confidential records that Guardiola spent the night of Bayern’s 4-0 defeat to Real Madrid in the 2014 semi-final cursing himself – not for having lost 4-0, but for having allowed his players to talk him into an excessively-attacking approach. This, he reckoned, had been the biggest mistake of his career. Ostensibly taking all the blame, he found a subtle way to share it with the players.
In 2015, it was the doctors’ turn to let Guardiola down. There had been rumours of discord between Guardiola and Bayern’s medical department for weeks by the time of the match at Bayer Leverkusen in April, when the coach reacted to Mehdi Benatia’s injury by turning around to his bench and ostentatiously showering the medics with sarcastic applause. A few days later, the medical department quit en masse, saying they were no longer prepared to put up with Guardiola blaming them for bad results.
Their replacements have fared little better. Guardiola seems unwilling to accept that injuries are part of the game. Last week, Bild reported that he had again lost his temper with Bayern’s doctors, demanding to know why they couldn’t get Arjen Robben fit when Atletico Madrid’s doctors had got Diego Godín back in action after barely a week out injured.
The coach reacted to that report by blaming a mole who, he claimed, had blabbed dressing room secrets “in order to hit me”. Disagreements in football are normal, he said, but usually they stay in the dressing room. A pity that last year he couldn’t remember his own rule about disagreements staying in-house, instead of publicly humiliating his medical team in a packed stadium.
These lapses could have been forgiven if Guardiola’s football genius had made the difference in more of the key moments.
“They say you defend well if you have 11 men in the box, like Bayern had with Trapattoni and Hitzfeld,” Guardiola said. “But my idea is completely different. I like to defend by playing the game 40 metres away from our goal.”
Bayern would play this way against mediocre German sides, winning easily and barely conceding a shot. But the defining international image of Guardiola’s Bayern will be of a superstar of world football – Ronaldo, or Bale, or Messi, or Neymar, or Suarez, or Griezmann – eluding through a high Bayern line and bearing down on Manuel Neuer. In the big matches, that 40 metres of space always seemed to work against Bayern.

There was one sure way for Guardiola to avoid the charge of failure. It was to stick around at Bayern until he had finished the job he had been hired to do. Instead, he joined Manchester City, who offered him more money and more control. At City he will face very different problems from the ones he faced at Bayern, and he can prove new dimensions of his greatness.
But let’s not pretend what happened at Bayern was anything other than a bitter disappointment for everyone involved.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 07, 2018, 12:40:58 PM
City in the news the last week.

Who'd have thought City were up to no good when their commercial revenues are over £100m more than Liverpool's and Chelsea's and so many of their sponsors are from the same part of the world as the owners.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Boycey on November 07, 2018, 01:17:15 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 09:52:40 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: tiempo on November 08, 2018, 10:03:46 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.

Makes Leicester's win even more spectacular, Liverpool must be sick given they're the closest to them at the minute and will probably still end up 9/10 points back.

Would you rather...

City continue to win via financial doping or Liverpool get that elusive first PL title with the potential to kick on for more?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:18:06 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 10:30:31 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 10:41:07 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.
Oh I understand the difference. Hence why I asked was the concern for ethical reasons. I just don't see how one is worse than the other if your concern is for fair competition.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 11:06:13 AM
Financial doping, is this a new thing or was it always the same when the owner of a club spunked their personal wealth into a club like the Jack Walker at Blackburn or more recently Roman Abramovich at Chelsea.

The "traditional" big clubs don't want anyone upsetting the status quo with them at the top of the pile buying all the best players, utter scutter.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: tiempo on November 08, 2018, 11:19:59 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.

In no way was that Leicester team acquired in the manner of financial doping, it was an exercise in top class scouting and a fairytale season. Yes the Thai billionaire owns the club.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 11:20:11 AM
Financial doping, is this a new thing or was it always the same when the owner of a club spunked their personal wealth into a club like the Jack Walker at Blackburn or more recently Roman Abramovich at Chelsea.

The "traditional" big clubs don't want anyone upsetting the status quo with them at the top of the pile buying all the best players, utter scutter.
Exactly Johnny. No doubt about it City are breaking the rules, but they would be a long time raising the monies through merchandise and gate receipts, the way the established big clubs do. So what is the solution for other clubs that want to compete at the top?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: HiMucker on November 08, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.
On a side note I am always interested when GAA people say something like this regarding soccer. Because they are generally the same people who give off about Dublin and unfair competition. And yes I am aware that the GAA is amateur before anyone asks.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 11:33:18 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.
On a side note I am always interested when GAA people say something like this regarding soccer. Because they are generally the same people who give off about Dublin and unfair competition. And yes I am aware that the GAA is amateur before anyone asks.

On a side note you saying this in relation to me is nonsense.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Keyser soze on November 08, 2018, 11:39:13 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.

In no way was that Leicester team acquired in the manner of financial doping, it was an exercise in top class scouting and a fairytale season. Yes the Thai billionaire owns the club.

Are you seriously postulating that it wasn't his money that won them the league?
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 01:20:54 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.



Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 08, 2018, 02:03:26 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: tiempo on November 08, 2018, 02:46:50 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.

In no way was that Leicester team acquired in the manner of financial doping, it was an exercise in top class scouting and a fairytale season. Yes the Thai billionaire owns the club.

Are you seriously postulating that it wasn't his money that won them the league?

Aye
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 08, 2018, 03:17:47 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

You do not seem to understand what the term financial doping actually means. Having a large fan base and generating more revenue than other teams is a legitimate sporting and business model. Getting a massive handout from a random foreigner with no relation to what the club is able to generate from its own resources is an entirely different matter. It is the latter which is termed financial doping. Man Utd have suffered from the exact reverse of financial doping for the past decade, having had an owner who has used them as a cash cow from which money can be siphoned off at an enormous rate. 

Though I don't see why Real Madrid have any grounds to complain as they have benefitted from massive financial doping for decades.

And to the poster eulogizing Leicester's achievement as a strike against financial doping .. it appears to have slipped your mind  that they were taken over by a Thai billionairre, the recently deceased Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha RIP, which was the sole reason they were able to challenge for a title.

Leicester worked from limited budget compared to the likes of Man City and Chelsea. They were the 4th lowest in terms of wages for that title winning season, it was more or less same team that spent the bulk of the season before near the bottom of the Premier League. The highest priced signings they made was Kanté for a mere £5.6 million and Shinji Okazaki for £7 million.

 
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 08, 2018, 04:19:48 PM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: trueblue1234 on November 08, 2018, 04:40:27 PM
I think City should be docked points. And I think they should do it this season. 15-20ish should do.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2018, 05:28:24 PM
I think City should be docked points. And I think they should do it this season. 15-20ish should do.

Think they would still win the league this year
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2018, 07:20:12 PM
You’d need to dock points off Chelsea too  ;D
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 09:18:21 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: Maroon Manc on November 09, 2018, 09:37:00 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

That would soon disappear.

There would be a very strong chance they'd be relegated within 2 years with the financial upheaval.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 11:00:32 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

That would soon disappear.

There would be a very strong chance they'd be relegated within 2 years with the financial upheaval.

It seems that City have invested heavily in their academy so I very much doubt that although they certainly wouldn't be bidding for the high end players.

Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: NAG1 on November 09, 2018, 11:21:37 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

That would soon disappear.

There would be a very strong chance they'd be relegated within 2 years with the financial upheaval.

It seems that City have invested heavily in their academy so I very much doubt that although they certainly wouldn't be bidding for the high end players.

Invested being the word, these academies are not solely developing young local talent.
Title: Re: man city new invincibles
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 11:57:59 AM
Its mental stuff if true, little or no coverage thus far but I see journos on Twitter starting to call it out now..

Here's today revelations, I'm sure link to previous articles is in it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html

Heres the original overview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

I know a bit about football revenues and it was obvious what City were up to but didn't know to that extent. They've not just broken the rules they've absolutely taken the piss out of it. The likelihood is that of City's turnover of £500m that at least £120m is complete fabrication. They wouldn't have won any of those league titles without doing so.

The Glazers don't care as its not really affecting them too much but can see why the likes of Real, Barca & Bayern want something done about it.
Are your concerns, and the concerns of Real, Barca and Bayern for ethical reasons, or purely because City can now challenge you all for honours? I don't remember too many concerns from United fans or fans of other big clubs of the financial advantages they had and still have over their fellow competitors? And lets be honest that advantage is significantly greater than any advantage City now exert over their immediate rivals. Financial doping ruined the competiveness of professional football a long time before City came on the scene, so don't expect the average fan to shed tears for United and other big clubs that don't like what City are doing.

FFP is also their to protect those clubs who've seen owners come in and completely mismanage the club and its ended in financial disaster like Portsmouth and various other clubs.

Irrespective of the rights and wrongs of FFP and the financial doping thats gone on before it doesn't make what City have done right, they've allegedly broken the rules and continue to do so should face the consequences.

I think you need to differentiate the likes of what happened at Portsmouth, Leeds Rangers, etc, etc where "owners" leveraged the club into huge debts based on fanciful notions of the return of European football and whatever would cover the mess from what is happening at City and PSG where the investors are pumping their own hard cash in.

If anything FFP should be set up to prevent what the Glazers did at United from happening again where they didn't spend one brass farthing of their own to secure the club and mortgaged the stadium and using Unites vast income streams to service it. If those streams dry up which in fairness is unlikely then United would be couped.

Agree on all of the above but as unlikely as it may seem what happens to City & PSG if the owners decide they've had enough? Both club rely heavily on their alleged inflated commercial deals to break even.

Then they'd have to cut their cloth to suit like anyone else. Their new found global market would soften the blow but indeed changes would be made i.e. reducing the payroll and so forth. They'd still more than likely be solvent though.

That would soon disappear.

There would be a very strong chance they'd be relegated within 2 years with the financial upheaval.

It seems that City have invested heavily in their academy so I very much doubt that although they certainly wouldn't be bidding for the high end players.

Invested being the word, these academies are not solely developing young local talent.
Long gone are the days they did that. It's a global market for young kids as well.