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Title: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Ball Hopper on November 16, 2017, 05:14:36 AM
POT 1:  Russia, Germany, Brazil, Portugal, Argentina, Belgium, Poland, France.

POT 2:  Spain, Peru, Switzerland, England, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay, Croatia.

POT 3:  Denmark, Iceland, Costa Rica, Sweden, Tunisia, Egypt, Senegal, Iran.

POT 4: Serbia, Nigeria, Australia, Japan, Morocco, Panama, South Korea, Saudi Arabia.

No teams from the same confederation, with the exception of UEFA, which could have up to two teams in the same group, will be drawn into the same group.

The Final Draw will take place on Friday 1 December at Moscow’s State Kremlin Palace.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: rrhf on November 16, 2017, 06:28:36 AM
Yawn
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 16, 2017, 09:34:37 AM
Will this thread get past 5 pages?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Esmarelda on November 16, 2017, 09:38:54 AM
I reckon if everyone that isn't interested takes the time to come in and tell us so, we'll get well above five pages.

I'm looking forward to it already. Belgium should be good craic with Martinez in charge.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Hardy on November 16, 2017, 09:44:40 AM
The Final Draw will take place on Friday 1 December at Moscow’s State Kremlin Palace.

 - and will be the most interesting part of the whole thing. Except maybe watching whether the Russians bother to rein in their hooligans (https://www.google.ie/search?biw=1600&bih=779&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=El0NWt7iDKSEgAairoDgBg&q=russian+hooligans&oq=russian+hooligans&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0j0i67k1j0l2j0i67k1j0j0i7i30k1l2j0i5i30k1j0i30k1.3937.3937.0.6844.1.1.0.0.0.0.92.92.1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.91....0.XKyAEoWH1F4) or just decide to let them at it (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/russia-fan-violence-russian-official-tells-hooligans-well-done-lads-keep-it-up-after-condoning-euro-a7079861.html) on the visiting fans.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: bennydorano on November 16, 2017, 10:11:10 AM
Few potentially interesting ties - Saudi Arabia v Iran & the old Favourite Croatia v Serbia. The Spirit of Vukovar SC.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Dire Ear on November 16, 2017, 11:36:03 AM
The Final Draw will take place on Friday 1 December at Moscow’s State Kremlin Palace.

 - and will be the most interesting part of the whole thing. Except maybe watching whether the Russians bother to rein in their hooligans (https://www.google.ie/search?biw=1600&bih=779&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=El0NWt7iDKSEgAairoDgBg&q=russian+hooligans&oq=russian+hooligans&gs_l=psy-ab.12..0j0i67k1j0l2j0i67k1j0j0i7i30k1l2j0i5i30k1j0i30k1.3937.3937.0.6844.1.1.0.0.0.0.92.92.1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.91....0.XKyAEoWH1F4) or just decide to let them at it (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/russia-fan-violence-russian-official-tells-hooligans-well-done-lads-keep-it-up-after-condoning-euro-a7079861.html) on the visiting fans.
Russia v Engerland would be a thing of beauty !!!!!
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: ned on November 16, 2017, 11:39:08 AM
Few potentially interesting ties - Saudi Arabia v Iran & the old Favourite Croatia v Serbia. The Spirit of Vukovar SC.

Saudi Arabia And Iran can only meet if they qualify for knockout stages.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: AQMP on November 16, 2017, 12:00:30 PM
Brazil, England, Egypt, Serbia would be a tasty group.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: bennydorano on November 16, 2017, 12:52:19 PM
Few potentially interesting ties - Saudi Arabia v Iran & the old Favourite Croatia v Serbia. The Spirit of Vukovar SC.

Saudi Arabia And Iran can only meet if they qualify for knockout stages.
Why's that?

Edit - Scrub that, presumably in same qualifying group.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: ned on November 16, 2017, 01:37:46 PM
Few potentially interesting ties - Saudi Arabia v Iran & the old Favourite Croatia v Serbia. The Spirit of Vukovar SC.

Saudi Arabia And Iran can only meet if they qualify for knockout stages.
Why's that?

Edit - Scrub that, presumably in same qualifying group.

It's in the original post. Teams from same confederation cant be in same group, except uefa.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 04:05:13 PM
Watched the draw there, fcuk that’s an awful lot of boring group games and they are going to expand it the next time  :o

England drew Belgium, Tunisia and Panama, they couldn’t mess that up could they  :D
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 01, 2017, 04:17:31 PM
Draw made there.  Even though Ireland aren't there, I always love the World Cup.

Group A - Russia, Uruguay, Egypt, Saudi Arabia

Group B - Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran

Group C - France, Australia, Peru, Denmark

Group D - Argentina, Iceland, Nigeria, Croatia

Group E - Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia

Group F - Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea

Group G - Belgium, Panama, Tunisia, England

Group H - Poland, Senegal, Colombia, Japan
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Farrandeelin on December 01, 2017, 04:29:56 PM
Portugal and Spain is the stand out group fixture.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: laoislad on December 01, 2017, 04:44:58 PM
Portugal and Spain is the stand out group fixture.
Probably is on paper but I suppose it depends on when the game is. If it's the last game and they have both already qualified it could be a dead rubber .England v Belgium also falls into that bracket. A few others have the potential to be good like Argentina V Croatia.
Like every World Cup the real action won't start until the 2nd round.
Have the fixtures been finalised yet?
I actually forgot the draw was on until AZ posted.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on December 01, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
Watched the draw there, fcuk that’s an awful lot of boring group games and they are going to expand it the next time  :o

England drew Belgium, Tunisia and Panama, they couldn’t mess that up could they  :D

The tournament will miss Holland and Italy. The Dutch would have made some exciting football games in the group stage.

England got a handy group. Belgium will be tough but Panama and Tunisia will be big underdogs in this group.



Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on December 01, 2017, 05:22:07 PM
Draw made there.  Even though Ireland aren't there, I always love the World Cup.

Group A - Russia, Uruguay, Egypt, Saudi Arabia

Group B - Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Iran

Group C - France, Australia, Peru, Denmark

Group D - Argentina, Iceland, Nigeria, Croatia

Group E - Brazil, Switzerland, Costa Rica, Serbia

Group F - Germany, Mexico, Sweden, South Korea

Group G - Belgium, Panama, Tunisia, England

Group H - Poland, Senegal, Colombia, Japan
Republic of Ireland group winners Serbia will struggle to get out of that group while the play off winners Denmark should reach the next round.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
 Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Boycey on December 01, 2017, 07:03:25 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

In what way?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

In what way?

Handy draw, no?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on December 01, 2017, 07:31:15 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

In what way?

Handy draw, no?

Always important for the success of the Tournament that  the Host country to stay as long as possible in it.  FIFA  was stink enough to give Russia the Tournament, why should they stop there.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on December 01, 2017, 07:32:30 PM
It's not handy. Egypt are good as are uruguay. Hosts may not make it through i think.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: playwiththewind1st on December 01, 2017, 08:00:05 PM
Watched the draw there, fcuk that’s an awful lot of boring group games and they are going to expand it the next time  :o

England drew Belgium, Tunisia and Panama, they couldn’t mess that up could they  :D

Hopefully, they can. Early exit, listen to the endless blubbering.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: playwiththewind1st on December 01, 2017, 08:03:43 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

If they do not make it through......Putin will hold a few Polonium tea parties. That's gonna concentrate minds.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

In what way?

Handy draw, no?

Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.

Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: An Watcher on December 01, 2017, 08:59:02 PM
Hosts always get a reasonably handy draw due to the fact that they are top seeds. 
One of the main reasons why England are hardly ever tested in qualifying campaigns
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Orchard park on December 01, 2017, 09:46:13 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

In what way?

Handy draw, no?

Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.

Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.


Suarez is in shocking form, 5 in last 18 games for Barcelona I think it is
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on December 01, 2017, 10:37:42 PM
The Hand of God interfering with England at a World Cup again.


Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 11:12:42 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

In what way?

Handy draw, no?

Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.

Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.


Suarez is in shocking form, 5 in last 18 games for Barcelona I think it is

And Barca are just running away with La Liga.

I checked his stats in La Liga and it’s ten games played, five goals and an assist. Many strikers wish for that to be their bad form.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 11:30:50 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

In what way?

Handy draw, no?

Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.

Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.


Suarez is in shocking form, 5 in last 18 games for Barcelona I think it is

And Barca are just running away with La Liga.

I checked his stats in La Liga and it’s ten games played, five goals and an assist. Many strikers wish for that to be their bad form.

Stop relating club form to country form Ffs! Messi being prime example
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 01, 2017, 11:33:37 PM
Nobody surprised at Russia’s draw?

In what way?

Handy draw, no?

Uruguay are better than Argentina. Suarez and Cavani up front - literally two best two strikers in world football at the moment. If both bring their club form to Russia they could well make a long run into the knockout stages.

Eygpt with Salah will give top two plenty to think about. Hardly a particularly easy draw.


Suarez is in shocking form, 5 in last 18 games for Barcelona I think it is

And Barca are just running away with La Liga.

I checked his stats in La Liga and it’s ten games played, five goals and an assist. Many strikers wish for that to be their bad form.

Stop relating club form to country form Ffs! Messi being prime example

He almost won a WC with them on his back three years ago.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 11:59:55 PM
He scored 4 goals ya ballon and they were bate!! Almost and did is like saying ROI almost qualified for the finals but didn’t, they were bate
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on December 02, 2017, 12:03:34 AM
They wouldn't even be in Russia if it weren't for him in the last game.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 02, 2017, 12:07:42 AM
He scored 4 goals ya ballon and they were bate!! Almost and did is like saying ROI almost qualified for the finals but didn’t, they were bate

Four goals in a WC by a midfielder - how wasn’t he dropped!?

You’re getting a wee bit ahead of yourself here, Aregetina got to the WC final - that’s nothing like saying we almost qualified.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2017, 01:10:00 PM
He scored 4 goals ya ballon and they were bate!! Almost and did is like saying ROI almost qualified for the finals but didn’t, they were bate

Four goals in a WC by a midfielder - how wasn’t he dropped!?

You’re getting a wee bit ahead of yourself here, Aregetina got to the WC final - that’s nothing like saying we almost qualified.

So you don’t think that Messi hasn't underperform at the World Cup finals ?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Syferus on December 02, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
He scored 4 goals ya ballon and they were bate!! Almost and did is like saying ROI almost qualified for the finals but didn’t, they were bate

Four goals in a WC by a midfielder - how wasn’t he dropped!?

You’re getting a wee bit ahead of yourself here, Aregetina got to the WC final - that’s nothing like saying we almost qualified.

So you don’t think that Messi hasn't underperform at the World Cup finals ?

Not at the one where he dragged Argentina to the final, ffs. I don’t know what you're even arguing here.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2017, 10:46:43 PM
The Argentine press have been on his back for years about his form during finals, he retired because of it. Missed his spot kick in the last finals he played in South America, retired and came back.

My point is don’t relate club form to finals form he’s not really set it on fire (like he did for Barca)
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on March 27, 2018, 10:23:57 PM
Spain 6 Argentina 1 in tonights challenge game.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on March 28, 2018, 08:47:02 AM
Currently - zero interest in WC
Early May - I see WC is starting next month must put a bet on
Late May- what no Italy, damn I will just back Germany
Early June - Dips in and out of Group games, hopes England goes well
Late June - Completely hooked, sick of BBC pundits hopes England goes out on penalties to     Germany preferably
July - In France for Final hopes France are in it as the buzz in the camp site will be mighty
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 02:29:21 PM
England final squad announced:

Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)

Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)

Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)

Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)

Edit:  Five players have been placed on standby - Tom Heaton (Burnley), James Tarkowski (Burnley), Lewis Cook - who?? (Bournemouth), Jake Livermore (WBA) and Adam Lallana (Liverpool).
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 16, 2018, 02:38:49 PM
England final squad announced:

Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)

Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)

Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)

Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)


That's woeful. Especially midfield. Their centre back selection is poor. Smalling is as good as any of the others bar Cahill perhaps. Welbeck very lucky to make that squad.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: NAG1 on May 16, 2018, 02:46:30 PM
Would look from that squad selection that he would like to go five at the back.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2018, 02:55:12 PM
England final squad announced:

Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)

Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)

Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)

Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)
The pretty much confirms the best players in the Premier league are Johnny foreigners.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: trailer on May 16, 2018, 02:59:26 PM
England final squad announced:

Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)

Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)

Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)

Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)

England's worse squad in my living memory. I expect them to do well. Last 8, if not last 4. Pressure will be off them to a certain extent and they may generate some team spirit that they've been lacking. World Cups are won with workman-like, team efforts. It might just suit them. (Probably lose all 3 games and be first team home now I've said that)
A European winner is almost Guaranteed. France or Germany for me.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on May 16, 2018, 03:05:11 PM
England final squad announced:

Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)

Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)

Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)

Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)

If all the above were on the transfer list, would there be much interest from the likes of Real Madrid or Barcelona?  Kane probably.....
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
He’ll play 3 at the back

                     Butland
       Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier                                 Young  :o
        Dier - Henderson - Ali
                 Sterling
                   Kane

On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they’ll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: NAG1 on May 16, 2018, 03:09:55 PM
Is that not 5 at the back Boycey  :o
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: trailer on May 16, 2018, 03:16:37 PM
England final squad announced:

Goalkeepers:
Butland (Stoke), Pickford (Everton), Pope (Burnley)

Defenders:
Jones (Man Utd), Cahill (Chelsea), Walker (Man City), Trippier (Tottenham), Rose (Tottenham), Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Young (Man Utd), Stones (Man City), Maguire (Leicester)

Midfielders:
Dier (Tottenham), Henderson (Liverpool), Delph (Man City), Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea), Lingard (Man Utd), Alli (Tottenham)

Forwards:
Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Vardy (Leicester), Sterling (Man City), Welbeck (Arsenal)

If all the above were on the transfer list, would there be much interest from the likes of Real Madrid or Barcelona?  Kane probably.....

You could say that about most international squads tbf.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Boycey on May 16, 2018, 03:19:42 PM
Is that not 5 at the back Boycey  :o

I'd have called it 5 at the back alright but the current 'in' thing is to call it 3 at the back https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/09/gareth-southgate-back-three-england-world-cup
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 03:40:44 PM
He’ll play 3 at the back

                     Butland
       Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier                                 Young  :o
        Dier - Henderson - Ali
                 Sterling
                   Kane

On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they’ll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)

Yep...on paper it doesn't look like a squad that will have other teams quaking in their boots, but they've a decent draw in the group and last 16 stage (will play the winner/runner up of the Poland/Senegal/Colombia/Japan group if they get through).  I detect the English media and supporters have less expectancy than other years so they may go without pressure.  Can't see them being anywhere near winning it though.

In other news Mario Gotze scorer of the winning goal in the 2014 final not selected for the German provisional squad of 28.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Gmac on May 16, 2018, 03:48:29 PM
Young ? Ashley?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on May 16, 2018, 03:49:24 PM
He’ll play 3 at the back

                     Butland
       Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier                                 Young  :o
        Dier - Henderson - Ali
                 Sterling
                   Kane

On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they’ll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)

Yep...on paper it doesn't look like a squad that will have other teams quaking in their boots, but they've a decent draw in the group and last 16 stage (will play the winner/runner up of the Poland/Senegal/Colombia/Japan group if they get through). I detect the English media and supporters have less expectancy than other years so they may go without pressure.  Can't see them being anywhere near winning it though.

In other news Mario Gotze scorer of the winning goal in the 2014 final not selected for the German provisional squad of 28.
Until they make use of their relatively easy route to the quarter finals where the media will then explode with expectancy before the inevitable capitulation.

Gotze not making the Germany squad isn't surprising given his form since the diagnosis of his muscular disorder. It's a shame as he is very talented.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: seafoid on May 16, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
He’ll play 3 at the back

                     Butland
       Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier                                 Young  :o
        Dier - Henderson - Ali
                 Sterling
                   Kane

On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they’ll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)

Yep...on paper it doesn't look like a squad that will have other teams quaking in their boots, but they've a decent draw in the group and last 16 stage (will play the winner/runner up of the Poland/Senegal/Colombia/Japan group if they get through).  I detect the English media and supporters have less expectancy than other years so they may go without pressure.  Can't see them being anywhere near winning it though.

In other news Mario Gotze scorer of the winning goal in the 2014 final not selected for the German provisional squad of 28.
Big Sam got £9m for 6 months of work. The EPL is about money, not the game in England.
Until this changes England won't go anywhere in tournaments.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Taylor on May 16, 2018, 04:05:02 PM
He’ll play 3 at the back

                     Butland
       Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier                                 Young  :o
        Dier - Henderson - Ali
                 Sterling
                   Kane

On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they’ll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)

Yep...on paper it doesn't look like a squad that will have other teams quaking in their boots, but they've a decent draw in the group and last 16 stage (will play the winner/runner up of the Poland/Senegal/Colombia/Japan group if they get through).  I detect the English media and supporters have less expectancy than other years so they may go without pressure.  Can't see them being anywhere near winning it though.

In other news Mario Gotze scorer of the winning goal in the 2014 final not selected for the German provisional squad of 28.
Big Sam got £9m for 6 months of work. The EPL is about money, not the game in England.
Until this changes England won't go anywhere in tournaments.
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Hasnt done much harm to the Spanish national team though?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: magpie seanie on May 16, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
He’ll play 3 at the back

                     Butland
       Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier                                 Young  :o
        Dier - Henderson - Ali
                 Sterling
                   Kane

On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they’ll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)


That team looks shaky to me. Surely Walker is a full back? They're very short of CB's to play 5 at the back.....there's only 4 in the squad if I'm right.

Also if anything happens Dier and/or Henderson what's the plan then? Surely Milner should be in the squad at the expense of one of the full backs (TAA probably)? Think they're actually alright the other end. On top of Alli, Kane and Sterling they have Rashford and Lingard. They need to try and get those lads on the pitch. 4-2-3-1 possibly their best chance of using resources properly.

                               Butland

Trippier/Walker     Cahill      Jones       Rose/Young 

                      Dier              Henderson

   Sterling                   Alli/Lingard           Rashford

                                Kane

I've not seen enough of Maguire and I don't rate Stones at all.

Agree with the comments that perversely the worst looking England squad on paper in my memory might actually do well.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: blewuporstuffed on May 16, 2018, 04:12:51 PM
Milner is retired from international football.
He is probably the in form English midfielder at the minute too.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 16, 2018, 04:17:44 PM
Panama in the work draw  >:(
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: AQMP on May 16, 2018, 04:18:06 PM
That England squad has scored 55 international goals in total.  Cristiano Ronaldo has 81, Messi has 61, Neymar has 53 and Lewandowski has 52.  It looks like it'll be the only squad with no players from outside its own league.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: gawa316 on May 16, 2018, 05:29:35 PM
He’ll play 3 at the back

                     Butland
       Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier                                 Young  :o
        Dier - Henderson - Ali
                 Sterling
                   Kane

On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they’ll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)


That team looks shaky to me. Surely Walker is a full back? They're very short of CB's to play 5 at the back.....there's only 4 in the squad if I'm right.

Also if anything happens Dier and/or Henderson what's the plan then? Surely Milner should be in the squad at the expense of one of the full backs (TAA probably)? Think they're actually alright the other end. On top of Alli, Kane and Sterling they have Rashford and Lingard. They need to try and get those lads on the pitch. 4-2-3-1 possibly their best chance of using resources properly.

                               Butland

Trippier/Walker     Cahill      Jones       Rose/Young 

                      Dier              Henderson

   Sterling                   Alli/Lingard           Rashford

                                Kane

I've not seen enough of Maguire and I don't rate Stones at all.

Agree with the comments that perversely the worst looking England squad on paper in my memory might actually do well.

Dier can also play center half.

Very light on center mids. In-spite of the injury record I thought Lallana would've been in there. He brings something different.

Can't say I watched a lot of England but haven't they being experimenting Walker and Gomez at the right side of a 3?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: 02 on May 16, 2018, 05:35:18 PM
He’ll play 3 at the back

                     Butland
       Walker-Maguire/Jones-Stones
Trippier                                 Young  :o
        Dier - Henderson - Ali
                 Sterling
                   Kane

On paper it looks a terrible squad but possibly they’ll do better than much more heralded squads (could hardly do worse I suppose)


That team looks shaky to me. Surely Walker is a full back? They're very short of CB's to play 5 at the back.....there's only 4 in the squad if I'm right.

Also if anything happens Dier and/or Henderson what's the plan then? Surely Milner should be in the squad at the expense of one of the full backs (TAA probably)? Think they're actually alright the other end. On top of Alli, Kane and Sterling they have Rashford and Lingard. They need to try and get those lads on the pitch. 4-2-3-1 possibly their best chance of using resources properly.

                               Butland

Trippier/Walker     Cahill      Jones       Rose/Young 

                      Dier              Henderson

   Sterling                   Alli/Lingard           Rashford

                                Kane

I've not seen enough of Maguire and I don't rate Stones at all.

Agree with the comments that perversely the worst looking England squad on paper in my memory might actually do well.

Dier can also play center half.

Very light on center mids. In-spite of the injury record I thought Lallana would've been in there. He brings something different.

Can't say I watched a lot of England but haven't they being experimenting Walker and Gomez at the right side of a 3?

No much better to select a striker who has scored 5 league goals all season, the other teams must be trembling with fear...
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on May 16, 2018, 05:37:38 PM
             Pickford
     Walker Stones Maguire
Trippier Henderson Dier Rose
                   Alli
            Sterling Kane

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Loftus Cheek start in the first game instead of Alli..
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: thewobbler on May 16, 2018, 05:43:00 PM
Can’t see him starting Walker at centre back. That was an experiment.

Maguire and Stones with Jones or Cahill. Walker will be RWB.

Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: BennyCake on May 16, 2018, 07:18:49 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?

Engerland are so f**ked  ;D
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on May 16, 2018, 07:30:52 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?

Engerland are so f**ked  ;D
the players you picked are far from the worst in that squad. welbeck, pope and loftus cheek?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on May 16, 2018, 07:37:06 PM
Pope is ok. Trippier is decent and maguire not too bad. I don't understand why wellbeck is going.

I was hoping hart would go - he's rubbish :D

Still possibly the poorest England squad i think i have seen at a world cup.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: 02 on May 16, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?

Engerland are so f**ked  ;D
the players you picked are far from the worst in that squad. welbeck, pope and loftus cheek?

Sounds like a smart-ass mayo man!
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on May 16, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
Milk would turn quicker than Maguire😜
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: michaelg on May 16, 2018, 08:47:31 PM
Milk would turn quicker than Maguire😜
Looks a big old unit Maguire
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: BennyCake on May 16, 2018, 09:02:55 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?

Engerland are so f**ked  ;D
the players you picked are far from the worst in that squad. welbeck, pope and loftus cheek?

Engerland are sooooooo f**ked  ;D
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Cunny Funt on May 16, 2018, 09:08:34 PM
Biggest problem i see for England is their manager. How can they seriously do well in the World cup with a manager as average as Gareth Southgate?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Minder on May 16, 2018, 09:08:57 PM
Maguire? Trippier? Pickford? Who are these boys?

Engerland are so f**ked  ;D
the players you picked are far from the worst in that squad. welbeck, pope and loftus cheek?

Engerland are sooooooo f**ked  ;D

Might be too soon but Loftus Cheek is going to be a cracking player
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: DownFanatic on May 18, 2018, 10:59:35 AM
France and Germany the two best bets?
Portugal seem to have a strong squad and the Belgium side has plenty of talent.
What sort of shape are Brazil and Argentina in?
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 18, 2018, 11:06:07 AM
Brazil in good form, Argentina a mess and Messi seemingly picking the squad according to Tim Vickery on OTB.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Boycey on May 18, 2018, 12:00:44 PM
Brazil overall favourites but traditionally the South American teams struggle in Europe with only 2 beaten finalists to their names since Brazil won in Sweden in 1958. If you were offering me a free bet I'd take France with maybe Croatia as a live outsider.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: johnnycool on May 18, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Brazil overall favourites but traditionally the South American teams struggle in Europe with only 2 beaten finalists to their names since Brazil won in Sweden in 1958. If you were offering me a free bet I'd take France with maybe Croatia as a live outsider.

In fighting going to prevent Belgium making shapes again??
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 18, 2018, 12:14:27 PM
Brazil overall favourites but traditionally the South American teams struggle in Europe with only 2 beaten finalists to their names since Brazil won in Sweden in 1958. If you were offering me a free bet I'd take France with maybe Croatia as a live outsider.

In fighting going to prevent Belgium making shapes again??

Stephen Wallace rumoured to be taking over them.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Boycey on May 18, 2018, 12:14:46 PM
Belgium always strike me as a talented bunch of individuals but not a great team if that makes sense? But if it does click for them they could go close.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on May 18, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
Belgium always strike me as a talented bunch of individuals but not a great team if that makes sense? But if it does click for them they could go close.

Like the Dutch used to be.
Title: Re: The Official World Cup 2018 Thread
Post by: Taylor on May 18, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
Belgium always strike me as a talented bunch of individuals but not a great team if that makes sense? But if it does click for them they could go close.

Yeah, always good players but underperform.
Martinez no bad manager but getting them to gel cant be easy.

The players not in the France squad is mental and would push most teams close