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Title: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 10, 2017, 08:22:18 AM
what do people think about the proposal for a round robin stage at the provincial championship stage?

any new format needs to have a slot or two for the tier 2 teams to qualify eg Westmeath, Laois, Kerry, Meath
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on May 10, 2017, 01:39:32 PM
what do people think about the proposal for a round robin stage at the provincial championship stage?

any new format needs to have a slot or two for the tier 2 teams to qualify eg Westmeath, Laois, Kerry, Meath

Sure who gives a f**k about them.   >:(
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 10, 2017, 05:04:31 PM
what do people think about the proposal for a round robin stage at the provincial championship stage?

any new format needs to have a slot or two for the tier 2 teams to qualify eg Westmeath, Laois, Kerry, Meath

Sure who gives a f**k about them.   >:(
The people who play hurling in those counties?
The current two qualifiers from the round robin and should feed into play third placed teams in a two group four team top tier competition.
Bottom two teams play relegation game. Tough shit to them
It's not long ago Westmeath were beating Dublin in hurling championship
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Avondhu star on May 12, 2017, 10:12:42 PM
what do people think about the proposal for a round robin stage at the provincial championship stage?

any new format needs to have a slot or two for the tier 2 teams to qualify eg Westmeath, Laois, Kerry, Meath
Absolute waste of time.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: didlyi on May 14, 2017, 12:02:10 PM
Plenty of negativity to change around here. The same people that complain every time a 'weaker' team gets a hiding from a 'top' team. They say why should this happen and its no good to either team. The so called weaker teams are all involved in round robin type systems already and cant complain about the number of games they get to play. Look at the scores  in the Chrsity Ring and Leinster Round robin this  year so far. All competitive tight games against opposition of similar standard. Once any of these teams make the transition to Liam Mc they will most likely get a hiding and the complaining starts again. You just cant please some people in Gaa.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 14, 2017, 04:58:43 PM
Great game is Cusack Park today

Standard was good.
These teams deserve an avenue to get into the championship proper.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: didlyi on May 14, 2017, 09:41:42 PM
With due respects to Meath, they have only just got promoted to div 2a of the league. When tipp beat offaly by a cricket score in the league there was uproar over the gap in standards. Its a shame that Meath are out of hurling for the year in May but in fairness the system allowed them a chance to play in the top championship but hey weren't good enough.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 15, 2017, 06:51:38 AM
With due respects to Meath, they have only just got promoted to div 2a of the league. When tipp beat offaly by a cricket score in the league there was uproar over the gap in standards. Its a shame that Meath are out of hurling for the year in May but in fairness the system allowed them a chance to play in the top championship but hey weren't good enough.
they still won a game though
some top counties won't win a game, but won't be relegated
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Kilkevan on May 29, 2017, 04:14:15 PM
The danger with round robins I fear are dead rubbers. If you have say top two go forward and nothing for third and fourth then you can easily have a situation whereby there is absolutely nothing riding on the last two games in any group.

You might get away with it in terms of 3 v 4 because they may still feel they have pride left to play for, particularly if they're local rivals. 1 v 2 could be a nightmare though as managers would almost certainly feel compelled to pay squad players to avoid injuries and any chance of suspension for later on in the tournament. That's almost a certainty in Leinster where there are a number of tier 2 teams.

This is particularly so when you look at the stupid set up currently with the Leinster round robin where there is no seeding for finishing top. This season Laois finished first and played Wexford, getting hockeyed in the second half, whilst Westmeath finished 2nd and played Offaly, almost beating them. Basically first ended up playing the better team. Similar scenario last year when Westmeath finished top and played Galway, with Offaly second who played Laois  :o. That's ludicrous as second meant, in both years, that you had a better chance of progressing in the next round.

The GAA need to put their thinking caps on on this one. Possibly round robins of four teams, how they work that out with 9 teams in Leinster and 5 in Munster is another day's work, with something at stake for third place as well as first and second. The third placed teams in each group could potentially play qualifiers against each other to get back into the championship proper, thereby removing the dead rubbers in the bottom half of the tables. Then some form of seeding for first and second to avoid that problem there too.

The fourth placed teams could possibly enter a tournament of their own to extend their summer as intercounty hurling finishing for teams in May does nobody any favours. That may devalue the Christy Ring Cup though.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 29, 2017, 05:49:42 PM
The danger with round robins I fear are dead rubbers. If you have say top two go forward and nothing for third and fourth then you can easily have a situation whereby there is absolutely nothing riding on the last two games in any group.

You might get away with it in terms of 3 v 4 because they may still feel they have pride left to play for, particularly if they're local rivals. 1 v 2 could be a nightmare though as managers would almost certainly feel compelled to pay squad players to avoid injuries and any chance of suspension for later on in the tournament. That's almost a certainty in Leinster where there are a number of tier 2 teams.

This is particularly so when you look at the stupid set up currently with the Leinster round robin where there is no seeding for finishing top. This season Laois finished first and played Wexford, getting hockeyed in the second half, whilst Westmeath finished 2nd and played Offaly, almost beating them. Basically first ended up playing the better team. Similar scenario last year when Westmeath finished top and played Galway, with Offaly second who played Laois  :o. That's ludicrous as second meant, in both years, that you had a better chance of progressing in the next round.

The GAA need to put their thinking caps on on this one. Possibly round robins of four teams, how they work that out with 9 teams in Leinster and 5 in Munster is another day's work, with something at stake for third place as well as first and second. The third placed teams in each group could potentially play qualifiers against each other to get back into the championship proper, thereby removing the dead rubbers in the bottom half of the tables. Then some form of seeding for first and second to avoid that problem there too.

The fourth placed teams could possibly enter a tournament of their own to extend their summer as intercounty hurling finishing for teams in May does nobody any favours. That may devalue the Christy Ring Cup though.
I agree. Seedings need to be introduced
However, that means that counties won't get a favourable draw but it will be almost predetermined.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Kilkevan on May 29, 2017, 06:00:11 PM
I agree. Seedings need to be introduced
However, that means that counties won't get a favourable draw but it will be almost predetermined.

It would be predetermined in so much as first would know they played second etc. It would still have an element of the unknown though in so much as an unexpected team could still top the pile.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on May 31, 2017, 04:12:05 PM
With due respects to Meath, they have only just got promoted to div 2a of the league. When tipp beat offaly by a cricket score in the league there was uproar over the gap in standards. Its a shame that Meath are out of hurling for the year in May but in fairness the system allowed them a chance to play in the top championship but hey weren't good enough.

Tipp were top of Div1A (stuffing Dublin along the way)and Offaly managed to survive relegation the last day of Div1B (taking some drubbings along the way) so it was hardly a suprise and TBH I don't recollect too much uproar as Offaly are given a bit more leeway than the likes of Kerry or Westmeath when it comes to these types of defeats. WRT to this part of the league it needs tweaked slightly but nothing major.

Getting from the CR to the glass ceiling of the Leinster round robin/qualifiers is very much an onerous task, just ask Carlow or Antrim who by right should be entered into the AI qualifiers as CR winners this year, but for some reason this aspect of legislation passed at congress hasn't made it beyond the committee room, strange that there was no urgency to do that!!

As for the proposal itself, I'm not sure as there'll be more games between the top counties for sure, but it'll mostly be árse boxing until the final mix up comes to pass as we already see in some of the provincial games, Cork and Tipp was a refreshing change TBH, but that was probably down to Corks desperation to get a win for the confidence. Dublin were hardly do or die on Sunday in Tullamore and IMO we can expect a lot more of that if we don't do away with these twin structures and go for a seeded open draw.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on June 07, 2017, 09:54:36 AM
In full;

Proposals for the GAA Hurling Championship 20187-2020

Following the  debate at Congress 2017 on  the  reform of the All-Ireland senior football championship, the Uachtaran and Ard Stiurth6ir asked the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) to examine the current structures for the senior, U-21 and minor hurling championships. In doing so, they identified three  questions that needed to  be addressed:

- might the eight additional matches provided for in the new football championship structure (namely, the round-robin group stage that replaces the existing quarter-final format) draw attention away from and diminish the All-Ireland senior hurling championship?

- do the arrangements for Galway's participation in the Leinster senior, All-Ireland minor and U-21hurling championships best serve the needs of  that county, and of hurling in general?

- do the existing structures best serve the needs of Antrim (or any other Ulster county that might  qualify for the All-Ireland series)  in  the minor and U-21hurling championships?

The Uachtaran and Ard Stiurth6ir held informal discussions with various individuals and units of the Association and reflected on various proposals submitted from committees and individuals over the years. This information was collated and passed to the CCCC to provide a basis for discussion on revised structures for the hurling championships.

The views of the National Hurling Development Committee and An Coiste Bainistfochta were also sought before completion of the proposals that are outlined below.

Based on the feedback received, the CCCC established three obligations that must be met in formulating  its proposals:

    the retention of the provincial senior championships;
    the provision  of additional quality games for  players and spectators;
    any proposal adopted must not have a negative impact on the time available to play club games.

This latter constraint precluded the adoption of various suggested structures that worked well in principle but that did not take cognisance of the length of time required to run off such new competition structures. The proposals, therefore, were formulated -for alllevels of senior hurling - to ensure:

- that significant club-only periods would be maintained between the end of the Allianz hurling leagues and the beginning of the senior championships;

- that August (except for the All-Ireland semi-finals and final) and subsequent months would be left free for club competitions.

The recommendations that follows regarding the Liam Maccarthy Cup have their roots in a proposal first mooted by the HDC in 2012.

This document proposes that the rules governing the All-Ireland senior, U-21and minor championships be temporarily set aside in 2018, 2019 and 2020 to allow the following formats to be the subject of experimentation in the championships of 2018, 2019 and 2020.
Senior Hurling Championship Proposals

 

    Liam Maccarthy Cup

To consist of two provincial championships and a provincial qualifier group (linked to the Leinster and Munster championships).
A.Leinster and Munster Championships Round-Robin Groups

Leinster                         Munster

Dublin                          Clare

Galway                         Cork

Kilkenny                        Limerick

Offaly                          Tipperary

Wexford                        Waterford

    Both provincial championships will be played on a round-robin basis; therefore, there will be five rounds of four matches each.
    Each team will have two  home and two away matches.
    The two teams finishing in the top two places in each group will qualify for their respective provincial final.
    The winners of the provincial finals will qualify for the All-Ireland semi-finals.
    The defeated provincial finalists will qualify for the All-Ireland quarter-finals.
    The third-plac ed teams in both championship groups will remain in the championship (see 'All­ Ireland Quarter-Finals', below).
    The bottom-placed team in the Leinster championship round-robin group will play in the provincial qualifier group in the following year, and will be replaced in th e Leinster championship by the winner of the provincial qualifier in the previous year. Where Kerry (or another Munster team) wins the provincial qualifier, they will play off against the bottom team in the Munster championship round robin. The winner of that play-off game will play in the Munster championship round robin in the following year and the loser will play in the provincial qualifier.

Note: The teams identified, above, as participating in the Leinster and Munster championship round­ robin groups are based on current (i.e. 2017) qualified teams.
B.Provincial Qualifier Group

    In 2018 this group will consist of five teams:

Laois
Westmeath
Kerry
Antrim
Carlow

The eligible teams have been determined by their final positions in the 2017 championships. Laois, Westmeath and Kerry, having finished, respectively, in first, second and third places in the 2017 qualifier, will take three of the provincial qualifier group places in 2018. Meath, having finished bottom of the 2017 qualifier, will be relegated to the 2018 Christy Ring Cup and will be replaced in the 2018 provincial qualifier group by the 2017 Christy Ring Cup winners and runners-up (Antrim  and Carlow).

The winning team of the provincial qualifier group will qualify for a play-off match, on an alternate-year basis, against the third-placed team in the Munster or Leinster championship round-robin group. The play-off winner will progress to the All-Ireland quarter-finals (see table below).

The winning team of the provincial qualifier group will also be promoted to the Leinster championship round-robin group for the following year and will be replaced in the provincial qualifier group by the bottom-placed team in the Leinster championship round-robin group. However, where Kerry (or another Munster team) wins the provincial qualifier, they will play off against the bottom team in the Munster championship round robin. The winner of that play-off game will play in the Munster championship round robin in the following year and the loser will play in the provincial qualifier.

The bottom-placed team in the provincial qualifier group will be relegated to the Christy Ring Cup and replaced by the winners of that competition.

The provincial qualifier group will be played on a round-robin basis, and matches will be played during the same period as those of the Munster and Leinster championship round-robin groups.

 

    All-Ireland  Quarter-Finals
    As noted above, the defeated provincial championship finalists will qualify for the All-Ireland quarter-finals.
    As noted above also, the third-placed teams in both the Leinster and Munster championship groups will remain in the championship, with a pathway open to them to qualify for the All­ Ireland quarter-finals. The quarter-final pairings will be determined on a rolling two-year-cycle basis, as follows:

 

YEAR l
   

YEAR 2

Play-off match

3R0 -pl aced team in Munster championship group

V

Winner of provincial qualifier group (home- venue advantage)

 

Quarter-final 1

Winner of above play-off match

V

Defeated Leinster provincial finalist

 

Quarter-final 2

3rd-placedteam in Leinster championship group

V

Defeated Munster provincial finalist*
   

Play-off match

3rd-placed team in Leinster championship group

V

Winner of provincial qualifier group (home- venue advantage)

 

Quarter-final 1

Winner of above play-off match

V

Defeated Munster provincial finalist

 

Quarter-final 2

3rd-placed team in Munster championship group

V

Defeated Leinster provincial finalist*

 

*To preserve and enhance the importance of the provincial championships, home-venue advantage in the  quarter-finals should be granted to  the  beaten provincial finalists.

 
D.All-Ireland Semi Finals and Final

    The Munster  and Leinster champions will be kept apart in the semi-finals.
    Provincial champions cannot meet the team they defeated in their provincial final in the All­ Ireland semi-final.
    Subject to the provisions of point 1 above, repeat pairings will be avoided in the All-Ireland semi­ finals. A draw will take place, if necessary, to avoid repeat pairings.
    The All-Ireland semi-final winners will meet in the All-Ireland final.

 
Note: Provincial Championships and Provincial Qualifier Group

While, in some respects, it was considered preferable that the provincial qualifier group-winner be allowed to enter the Leinster or Munster championship group in the same year, the CCCC considered that the scheduling impact of such a provision on the playing of club games would be contrary to the core principles of recent Congress Rule and Central Council scheduling changes (i.e. to create significant time periods for club-only activity) and would all but eliminate the possibility of having a club interlude period for the counties in the provincial qualifier group at the end of the Allianz leagues.

For this reason, the winner of the provincial qualifier group enters a play-off against either the third­ placed team in the Munster or Leinster championship round robin group, which provides the right to play in the All Ireland quarter-finals. Also, the winner of the provincial qualifi er group earns the opportunity to parti cipate in the Munster or Leinster championship in the following year.

 
II.Christy Ring and Nicky Rackard Cups (based on 2017 finishing positions) Christy Ring Cup (eight teams):

Armagh, Derry, Down, Kildare, London, Mayo, Meath, Wicklow .

 

Nicky Rackard Cup (eight teams):

Donegal, Leitrim or War wickshire,Longford, Louth, Monaghan, Roscommon, Sligo, Tyrone.

 

Christy Ring and Nicky Rackard Cups to be played as follows:

    There will be two round-robin groups of four teams each.
    The round-robin phase will be completed over no more than four weekends (i.e. t hree rounds plus one gap weekend).
    Group sections to be played on a tw o-year cycle; each county will have at least one home game per year; where feasible, the  home/away arrangements  will be reversed in the second year.
    The top-placed teams in each group will play each other in their respective final.
    The winner of the Christy Ring Cup will be promoted to the provincial qualifier group for the following season.
    The winner of the Nicky Rackard Cup will be promoted to the Chri sty Ring Cup for the following season.
    The bottom-placed team in each group will meet in a relegation play-off; the loser will be relegate d to the next-lowest grade for the following year.

 

Ill. Lory Meagher Cup

Four teams participate:  Cavan, Fermanagh, Lancashire and either Leitrim or Warwickshire.

    There will be a single round-robin group of all four teams.
    Each team will play at least one home match.
    The two top-placed teams will play in the final.
    The winner will be promoted to the Nicky Rackard Cup for the following year.

 
IV.All-Ireland U-21 Hurling Championship

The idea of an open draw for the competition was discussed. However, it was considered that an open­ draw format would undermine many of the benefits of the existing U-21 championship. It was also noted that the possibility of scheduling Wednesday-evening games would likely be lost in an open­ draw format (due to potential travel distances), which could have a significant knock-on effect on counties'_ability to  plan club fixtures.

It was considered, too, that an open-draw format would probably require a seeding system if the competition were to remain competitive; it was also pointed out that none of the other main championships are organised on an open-draw basis.

Notwithstanding the above, the current structure - whereby Galway enters the All-Ireland semi-final without having played a game, and in which the Ulster champions have participated in only one All­ Ireland final since the competition was inaugurated in 1964, despite having a guaranteed semi-final spot for much of its history - is not sustainable.
Proposal

The proposal is for Galway and any Ulster teams of sufficient strength to be accommodated in the Leinster championship. In such a scenario, the Leinster and Munster champions would qualify directly for the All-Ireland final; there would, therefore, be no All-Ireland semi-finals at this level. This format would be a significant help in creating additional time in the calendar to achieve proper scheduling of the U-21 hurling championship in the summer months (running alongside the senior provincial championships). It would also have minimum impact on club activity.

 
V.Minor Hurling Championship

It is recommended that changes be made to the existing structure of the All-Ireland minor hurling championships to  better serve the  needs of Galway, Antrim and Ulster.

 
Proposal

    The provincial championships to be played as at p resent ; the Leinster and Munster champions to qualify for the All-Ireland  semi-fi nals.
    A round-robin All-Ireland series to  be  organised to  produce two  more All-Ireland semi-finalists.

The three participating teams will be Galway and the defeated Leinster and Munster finalists. In the event of teams finishing on equal points at the end of this round-robin series, their placings will be determined by the following tie-break devices, in following order of application:

(i) score difference, i.e. subtracting the total scores-against from the scores-for;

(ii) highest total scores achieved; (iii) highest total goals scored.

Note: Where all three teams finish level on points and cannot be separated by the tie-break devices outlined in (i), (ii) and (iii) above, one team will go forward through the drawing of lots, and a play­ off will be held between the two remaining teams.

Consideration should also be given to the participation of Antrim, and possibly of one other Ulster county, in the Leinster minor championship. If the proposals outlined in this document  are accepted in principle, further discussion should take place with the HDC and the Leinster and Ulster Councils on how best to  accommodate this.

This discussion should also encompass a review of the Celtic Challenge in the context of the above proposals to ensure that it continues to provide an appropriate pathway for developing counties. The discussion with the HDC should specifically consider the issue of whether counties that participate in the restructured minor hurling championship outlined above should also participate in the Celtic Challenge, and, if so, for which counties it would be most appropriate to do so.



Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: AZOffaly on June 07, 2017, 11:04:43 AM
Does this mean Galway will actually get to play in Galway?
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on June 07, 2017, 11:20:56 AM
Does this mean Galway will actually get to play in Galway?

Depends on under who's jurisdiction these round robin "provincial" games are run. I'd suggest that the Munster Council and the Leinster Council will still be sending the lads to man the turnstiles and with Leinster's intransigence in the past would need addressed but you'd have to hope so.

There is a pathway of progression for the developing counties but its a pretty damn narrow one.

In terms of U21 and minor it seems Antrim (and possibly another Ulster county) merge into Leinster which has its good aspects, but I'd hate to see the Ulster Council be allowed to abdicate even more responsibility towards hurling as it currently is doing very little at these age groups and below.


Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 07, 2017, 04:20:19 PM
just shows that Westmeath losing to Offaly the last day had huge ramifications
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 07, 2017, 07:26:54 PM
Most of it makes sense to be fair, the integrity of the provincial championships is maintained, the U21 changes are right too but don't see why they couldn't have done same with Minor. The new lineups for the lower tier competitions has a curious anomaly, Sligo finished 3rd in the Meagher Cup group behind Leitrim and Warwickshire, but are automatically promoted while only the winner of saturdays final between those teams goes up, peculiar.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: stevecw on June 08, 2017, 07:30:42 PM
Most of it makes sense to be fair, the integrity of the provincial championships is maintained, the U21 changes are right too but don't see why they couldn't have done same with Minor. The new lineups for the lower tier competitions has a curious anomaly, Sligo finished 3rd in the Meagher Cup group behind Leitrim and Warwickshire, but are automatically promoted while only the winner of saturdays final between those teams goes up, peculiar.

I agree in general I like it but the Sligo thing makes no sense. Neither does the losers of Antrim/Carlow getting into next years qualifier group. While Meath who were in the Leinster group this year, won a game too and only finished 4th on Scoring difference are demoted to Christy Ring.
Fairest solution would be a play off between Meath and losers of Carlow/Antrim
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 08, 2017, 10:11:12 PM
I'm against this new structure

its basically the national league all over again
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on June 09, 2017, 01:49:16 PM
I'm against this new structure

its basically the national league all over again

True, but then again the current NHL structures have a lot going for them with very few dead rubbers unlike the early rounds of the championship (not as bad as the football mind).
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Kilkevan on June 13, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
Does this mean Galway will actually get to play in Galway?

Depends on under who's jurisdiction these round robin "provincial" games are run. I'd suggest that the Munster Council and the Leinster Council will still be sending the lads to man the turnstiles and with Leinster's intransigence in the past would need addressed but you'd have to hope so.

There is a pathway of progression for the developing counties but its a pretty damn narrow one.

In terms of U21 and minor it seems Antrim (and possibly another Ulster county) merge into Leinster which has its good aspects, but I'd hate to see the Ulster Council be allowed to abdicate even more responsibility towards hurling as it currently is doing very little at these age groups and below.

Galway begged to go into Leinster and Leinster did them a favour. Now they're giving out about not playing at home. Some out West have a habit of blowing hot air.

I tend to agree with Donal O'Grady in terms of these proposals seeking to mend what isn't broken. The Munster Championship is competitive every year with any one of at least three, often four, teams each year being capable of winning it and in the odd year that stretches to five. The Leinster Championship is coming back too with Kilkenny dropping back so much and Wexford coming up so fast. We could see some classic matches between Wexford and Galway over the next couple of years. The round robin provincial championship idea is more-or-less a repetition of the NHL Division 1A and the extreme form of competitiveness it offers. Do teams need that? Do supporters really want to see the same teams play each other time and again?

The round robin groups are also programmed for a point in the year where they will not compete with the football super 8s anyway. Add to that the fact that you'd struggle to find 8 teams who are competitive in football at any one time and I think if hurling holds it's fire and doesn't get drawn into this idea of more games then it will serve the game well. Division 1 in football is a joke with at least two sub-divisions within the one group of teams. Everyone knows before it starts who will be top and who will be bottom. Fans might buy into the super 8s initially but I think in the long run football will be left with a headache which hurling would do well to avoid. Anyway, hurling fans are not going to be drawn away from the game and into looking at Dublin, Kerry and maybe Mayo giving 5/6 other teams a hiding at fistball every year.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on June 15, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
I'd say that Galways inclusion into Leinster was of mutual benefit to both as KK were cruising to Leinster titles with 15 plus points the norm and interest was draining. With Galway in the pot also there was a chance of Kilkenny getting a bit of a challenge now and then.

Gate wise, why would the Leinster Council be so set against Galway getting a home game? I could never understand that.
Was it the competing counties not wanting to give Galway that bit of an advantage, i.e. when in Rome and all that.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Kilkevan on June 15, 2017, 10:29:10 AM
I'd say that Galways inclusion into Leinster was of mutual benefit to both as KK were cruising to Leinster titles with 15 plus points the norm and interest was draining. With Galway in the pot also there was a chance of Kilkenny getting a bit of a challenge now and then.

Gate wise, why would the Leinster Council be so set against Galway getting a home game? I could never understand that.
Was it the competing counties not wanting to give Galway that bit of an advantage, i.e. when in Rome and all that.

It's got more to do with Irish geography than anything else. Galway is not convenient for any Leinster county regularly competing at the business end of the Leinster Championship. Whilst Galway coming in was no doubt attractive to Leinster, it was they who wanted in and having been done a favour in the first place should stop bleating about wanting to take gate money out of the province. Now, their Under 21s and Minors moving into the Leinster Championships at those levels is a far more sensible argument and I do think Leinster should accommodate them on that score. As for hosting matches, it's the Leinster Championship, not the Leinster and a county out Wesht Championship so there should be an onus on Galway to recognise their guest status.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on June 15, 2017, 11:17:53 AM
I'd say that Galways inclusion into Leinster was of mutual benefit to both as KK were cruising to Leinster titles with 15 plus points the norm and interest was draining. With Galway in the pot also there was a chance of Kilkenny getting a bit of a challenge now and then.

Gate wise, why would the Leinster Council be so set against Galway getting a home game? I could never understand that.
Was it the competing counties not wanting to give Galway that bit of an advantage, i.e. when in Rome and all that.

It's got more to do with Irish geography than anything else. Galway is not convenient for any Leinster county regularly competing at the business end of the Leinster Championship. Whilst Galway coming in was no doubt attractive to Leinster, it was they who wanted in and having been done a favour in the first place should stop bleating about wanting to take gate money out of the province. Now, their Under 21s and Minors moving into the Leinster Championships at those levels is a far more sensible argument and I do think Leinster should accommodate them on that score. As for hosting matches, it's the Leinster Championship, not the Leinster and a county out Wesht Championship so there should be an onus on Galway to recognise their guest status.
Not convenient - are you really serious!??  Its 2017, not 1917, travel has developed a little in the past 100 years so getting down West shouldn't be much of a bother to most Leinster counties!!  Anyway, on a more serious note, I really couldn't give a damn about the home games as Tullamore will do for now - the championship format will change eventually away from Leinster / Munster and into a more sensible group format with a home and away structure.  What's more important is getting our U21 and Minor teams into Leinster or wherever - the current system hinders badly our lads in those age brackets. 

Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Rossfan on June 15, 2017, 11:20:09 AM
If I'm reading the new proposals correctly the 4th and 5th teams in Munster and Leinster don't get to the AI Championship?
I would suspect that the 5th team in Munster will usually be of a higher standard than the 3rd in Leinster.
Nearly be as well off abolishing the current NHL, let the "Big 10" play a League, top team wins the League. Top 2 Leinster teams play a Leinster Final, top 2 Munster likewise and then the 2 Provincial winners and 4 top League sides compete for the AI.
And what genius came up with "Preliminary Quarter Final" ????
What's wrong with "Play off"or Qualifier game????
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Kilkevan on June 15, 2017, 01:50:07 PM
I'd say that Galways inclusion into Leinster was of mutual benefit to both as KK were cruising to Leinster titles with 15 plus points the norm and interest was draining. With Galway in the pot also there was a chance of Kilkenny getting a bit of a challenge now and then.

Gate wise, why would the Leinster Council be so set against Galway getting a home game? I could never understand that.
Was it the competing counties not wanting to give Galway that bit of an advantage, i.e. when in Rome and all that.

It's got more to do with Irish geography than anything else. Galway is not convenient for any Leinster county regularly competing at the business end of the Leinster Championship. Whilst Galway coming in was no doubt attractive to Leinster, it was they who wanted in and having been done a favour in the first place should stop bleating about wanting to take gate money out of the province. Now, their Under 21s and Minors moving into the Leinster Championships at those levels is a far more sensible argument and I do think Leinster should accommodate them on that score. As for hosting matches, it's the Leinster Championship, not the Leinster and a county out Wesht Championship so there should be an onus on Galway to recognise their guest status.
Not convenient - are you really serious!??  Its 2017, not 1917, travel has developed a little in the past 100 years so getting down West shouldn't be much of a bother to most Leinster counties!!  Anyway, on a more serious note, I really couldn't give a damn about the home games as Tullamore will do for now - the championship format will change eventually away from Leinster / Munster and into a more sensible group format with a home and away structure.  What's more important is getting our U21 and Minor teams into Leinster or wherever - the current system hinders badly our lads in those age brackets.

Pearse Stadium is 3 hours from Nowlan Park, near four hours from Wexford Park and 2.5 hours from Parnell Park and those times are in good traffic conditions which aren't usually prevalent on matchdays. Given that those are the regular features at the business end of the Leinster Championship are you going to tell us that Pearse Stadium is still convenient? Travel has seen a lot of developments over the last 100 years, thanks for telling me that because I wondered what those funny rectangular things with four circles under them, one at each corner, and another circle behind the front window on the right hand side was. Geography hasn't though and it's still a trek to get to Salthill for players and fans in the better counties.

The reason you see home and away matches in Championship hurling is because those counties have arrangements with each other. Try to find similar terms with Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin and if ye can't, accept it and get on with the fact that the GAA's tendency in such circumstances is to go with neutral stadia which are as equidistant as possible to the competing counties. Couple that with the fact that since ye entered the Leinster Championship in 2009 ye've had (including this weekend) 23 matches, 19 of which have been at neutral venues, 4 away but against Westmeath (2011, 2012 and 2016) and Laois (2013) and it's not unusual in Leinster to give home advantage to weaker teams who entered the competition earlier (it's the norm with round robin entrants) what are ye actually giving out about anyway?

As I've said, I have more sympathy with the argument of Galway's underage structures being accommodated in Leinster but ye're doing yourselves no good by getting up people's noses by moaning about home advantage which rarely happens at Championship level anyway.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: AZOffaly on June 15, 2017, 02:00:43 PM
I think it would be no harm for Galway to get a enter into a home and home agreement with the likes of Offaly, LAois and Westmeath. Similar to what they do in Munster. Most games are neutral, mostly Thurles, but at least the likes of Limerick and Cork can do home and home.

Then if Wexford, Kilkenny or Dublin draw Galway, play it in Portlaoise or Tullamore unless it's a Leinster final.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on June 15, 2017, 02:46:26 PM
I'd say that Galways inclusion into Leinster was of mutual benefit to both as KK were cruising to Leinster titles with 15 plus points the norm and interest was draining. With Galway in the pot also there was a chance of Kilkenny getting a bit of a challenge now and then.

Gate wise, why would the Leinster Council be so set against Galway getting a home game? I could never understand that.
Was it the competing counties not wanting to give Galway that bit of an advantage, i.e. when in Rome and all that.

It's got more to do with Irish geography than anything else. Galway is not convenient for any Leinster county regularly competing at the business end of the Leinster Championship. Whilst Galway coming in was no doubt attractive to Leinster, it was they who wanted in and having been done a favour in the first place should stop bleating about wanting to take gate money out of the province. Now, their Under 21s and Minors moving into the Leinster Championships at those levels is a far more sensible argument and I do think Leinster should accommodate them on that score. As for hosting matches, it's the Leinster Championship, not the Leinster and a county out Wesht Championship so there should be an onus on Galway to recognise their guest status.
Not convenient - are you really serious!??  Its 2017, not 1917, travel has developed a little in the past 100 years so getting down West shouldn't be much of a bother to most Leinster counties!!  Anyway, on a more serious note, I really couldn't give a damn about the home games as Tullamore will do for now - the championship format will change eventually away from Leinster / Munster and into a more sensible group format with a home and away structure.  What's more important is getting our U21 and Minor teams into Leinster or wherever - the current system hinders badly our lads in those age brackets.

Pearse Stadium is 3 hours from Nowlan Park, near four hours from Wexford Park and 2.5 hours from Parnell Park and those times are in good traffic conditions which aren't usually prevalent on matchdays. Given that those are the regular features at the business end of the Leinster Championship are you going to tell us that Pearse Stadium is still convenient? Travel has seen a lot of developments over the last 100 years, thanks for telling me that because I wondered what those funny rectangular things with four circles under them, one at each corner, and another circle behind the front window on the right hand side was. Geography hasn't though and it's still a trek to get to Salthill for players and fans in the better counties.

The reason you see home and away matches in Championship hurling is because those counties have arrangements with each other. Try to find similar terms with Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin and if ye can't, accept it and get on with the fact that the GAA's tendency in such circumstances is to go with neutral stadia which are as equidistant as possible to the competing counties. Couple that with the fact that since ye entered the Leinster Championship in 2009 ye've had (including this weekend) 23 matches, 19 of which have been at neutral venues, 4 away but against Westmeath (2011, 2012 and 2016) and Laois (2013) and it's not unusual in Leinster to give home advantage to weaker teams who entered the competition earlier (it's the norm with round robin entrants) what are ye actually giving out about anyway?

As I've said, I have more sympathy with the argument of Galway's underage structures being accommodated in Leinster but ye're doing yourselves no good by getting up people's noses by moaning about home advantage which rarely happens at Championship level anyway.
Agreed BUT its us doing most of the trekking over the years be that to Tullamore, Portlaoise or CP - there are quite a lot of hurling fans west of the corrib and Ballinasloe is only half way to Dublin! Like I said earlier, Tullamore will do for now, getting the underage teams catered for is much more important.  We have approached a few counties in relation to the home and away arrangement and other that KK, its been kicked to touch by all others AFAIK.

Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 15, 2017, 05:28:03 PM
I'd say that Galways inclusion into Leinster was of mutual benefit to both as KK were cruising to Leinster titles with 15 plus points the norm and interest was draining. With Galway in the pot also there was a chance of Kilkenny getting a bit of a challenge now and then.

Gate wise, why would the Leinster Council be so set against Galway getting a home game? I could never understand that.
Was it the competing counties not wanting to give Galway that bit of an advantage, i.e. when in Rome and all that.

It's got more to do with Irish geography than anything else. Galway is not convenient for any Leinster county regularly competing at the business end of the Leinster Championship. Whilst Galway coming in was no doubt attractive to Leinster, it was they who wanted in and having been done a favour in the first place should stop bleating about wanting to take gate money out of the province. Now, their Under 21s and Minors moving into the Leinster Championships at those levels is a far more sensible argument and I do think Leinster should accommodate them on that score. As for hosting matches, it's the Leinster Championship, not the Leinster and a county out Wesht Championship so there should be an onus on Galway to recognise their guest status.
Not convenient - are you really serious!??  Its 2017, not 1917, travel has developed a little in the past 100 years so getting down West shouldn't be much of a bother to most Leinster counties!!  Anyway, on a more serious note, I really couldn't give a damn about the home games as Tullamore will do for now - the championship format will change eventually away from Leinster / Munster and into a more sensible group format with a home and away structure.  What's more important is getting our U21 and Minor teams into Leinster or wherever - the current system hinders badly our lads in those age brackets.

Pearse Stadium is 3 hours from Nowlan Park, near four hours from Wexford Park and 2.5 hours from Parnell Park and those times are in good traffic conditions which aren't usually prevalent on matchdays. Given that those are the regular features at the business end of the Leinster Championship are you going to tell us that Pearse Stadium is still convenient? Travel has seen a lot of developments over the last 100 years, thanks for telling me that because I wondered what those funny rectangular things with four circles under them, one at each corner, and another circle behind the front window on the right hand side was. Geography hasn't though and it's still a trek to get to Salthill for players and fans in the better counties.

The reason you see home and away matches in Championship hurling is because those counties have arrangements with each other. Try to find similar terms with Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin and if ye can't, accept it and get on with the fact that the GAA's tendency in such circumstances is to go with neutral stadia which are as equidistant as possible to the competing counties. Couple that with the fact that since ye entered the Leinster Championship in 2009 ye've had (including this weekend) 23 matches, 19 of which have been at neutral venues, 4 away but against Westmeath (2011, 2012 and 2016) and Laois (2013) and it's not unusual in Leinster to give home advantage to weaker teams who entered the competition earlier (it's the norm with round robin entrants) what are ye actually giving out about anyway?

As I've said, I have more sympathy with the argument of Galway's underage structures being accommodated in Leinster but ye're doing yourselves no good by getting up people's noses by moaning about home advantage which rarely happens at Championship level anyway.
Agreed BUT its us doing most of the trekking over the years be that to Tullamore, Portlaoise or CP - there are quite a lot of hurling fans west of the corrib and Ballinasloe is only half way to Dublin! Like I said earlier, Tullamore will do for now, getting the underage teams catered for is much more important.  We have approached a few counties in relation to the home and away arrangement and other that KK, its been kicked to touch by all others AFAIK.
ye were complaining about going down to Munster years ago too

then it was complaining about playing Roscommon over the suck in Connacht finals

now complaints about travelling to Leinster
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Kilkevan on June 15, 2017, 05:39:14 PM
I'd say that Galways inclusion into Leinster was of mutual benefit to both as KK were cruising to Leinster titles with 15 plus points the norm and interest was draining. With Galway in the pot also there was a chance of Kilkenny getting a bit of a challenge now and then.

Gate wise, why would the Leinster Council be so set against Galway getting a home game? I could never understand that.
Was it the competing counties not wanting to give Galway that bit of an advantage, i.e. when in Rome and all that.

It's got more to do with Irish geography than anything else. Galway is not convenient for any Leinster county regularly competing at the business end of the Leinster Championship. Whilst Galway coming in was no doubt attractive to Leinster, it was they who wanted in and having been done a favour in the first place should stop bleating about wanting to take gate money out of the province. Now, their Under 21s and Minors moving into the Leinster Championships at those levels is a far more sensible argument and I do think Leinster should accommodate them on that score. As for hosting matches, it's the Leinster Championship, not the Leinster and a county out Wesht Championship so there should be an onus on Galway to recognise their guest status.
Not convenient - are you really serious!??  Its 2017, not 1917, travel has developed a little in the past 100 years so getting down West shouldn't be much of a bother to most Leinster counties!!  Anyway, on a more serious note, I really couldn't give a damn about the home games as Tullamore will do for now - the championship format will change eventually away from Leinster / Munster and into a more sensible group format with a home and away structure.  What's more important is getting our U21 and Minor teams into Leinster or wherever - the current system hinders badly our lads in those age brackets.

Pearse Stadium is 3 hours from Nowlan Park, near four hours from Wexford Park and 2.5 hours from Parnell Park and those times are in good traffic conditions which aren't usually prevalent on matchdays. Given that those are the regular features at the business end of the Leinster Championship are you going to tell us that Pearse Stadium is still convenient? Travel has seen a lot of developments over the last 100 years, thanks for telling me that because I wondered what those funny rectangular things with four circles under them, one at each corner, and another circle behind the front window on the right hand side was. Geography hasn't though and it's still a trek to get to Salthill for players and fans in the better counties.

The reason you see home and away matches in Championship hurling is because those counties have arrangements with each other. Try to find similar terms with Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin and if ye can't, accept it and get on with the fact that the GAA's tendency in such circumstances is to go with neutral stadia which are as equidistant as possible to the competing counties. Couple that with the fact that since ye entered the Leinster Championship in 2009 ye've had (including this weekend) 23 matches, 19 of which have been at neutral venues, 4 away but against Westmeath (2011, 2012 and 2016) and Laois (2013) and it's not unusual in Leinster to give home advantage to weaker teams who entered the competition earlier (it's the norm with round robin entrants) what are ye actually giving out about anyway?

As I've said, I have more sympathy with the argument of Galway's underage structures being accommodated in Leinster but ye're doing yourselves no good by getting up people's noses by moaning about home advantage which rarely happens at Championship level anyway.
Agreed BUT its us doing most of the trekking over the years be that to Tullamore, Portlaoise or CP - there are quite a lot of hurling fans west of the corrib and Ballinasloe is only half way to Dublin! Like I said earlier, Tullamore will do for now, getting the underage teams catered for is much more important.  We have approached a few counties in relation to the home and away arrangement and other that KK, its been kicked to touch by all others AFAIK.
ye were complaining about going down to Munster years ago too

then it was complaining about playing Roscommon over the suck in Connacht finals

now complaints about travelling to Leinster

I think the Russian international soccer goalkeeper had a point when he said Luch Energiya Vladivostok should play in the Japanese league instead of the one in Russia; couldn't Galway play in the New York Championship or something?  ;D
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on June 15, 2017, 07:37:34 PM
I'd say that Galways inclusion into Leinster was of mutual benefit to both as KK were cruising to Leinster titles with 15 plus points the norm and interest was draining. With Galway in the pot also there was a chance of Kilkenny getting a bit of a challenge now and then.

Gate wise, why would the Leinster Council be so set against Galway getting a home game? I could never understand that.
Was it the competing counties not wanting to give Galway that bit of an advantage, i.e. when in Rome and all that.

It's got more to do with Irish geography than anything else. Galway is not convenient for any Leinster county regularly competing at the business end of the Leinster Championship. Whilst Galway coming in was no doubt attractive to Leinster, it was they who wanted in and having been done a favour in the first place should stop bleating about wanting to take gate money out of the province. Now, their Under 21s and Minors moving into the Leinster Championships at those levels is a far more sensible argument and I do think Leinster should accommodate them on that score. As for hosting matches, it's the Leinster Championship, not the Leinster and a county out Wesht Championship so there should be an onus on Galway to recognise their guest status.
Not convenient - are you really serious!??  Its 2017, not 1917, travel has developed a little in the past 100 years so getting down West shouldn't be much of a bother to most Leinster counties!!  Anyway, on a more serious note, I really couldn't give a damn about the home games as Tullamore will do for now - the championship format will change eventually away from Leinster / Munster and into a more sensible group format with a home and away structure.  What's more important is getting our U21 and Minor teams into Leinster or wherever - the current system hinders badly our lads in those age brackets.

Pearse Stadium is 3 hours from Nowlan Park, near four hours from Wexford Park and 2.5 hours from Parnell Park and those times are in good traffic conditions which aren't usually prevalent on matchdays. Given that those are the regular features at the business end of the Leinster Championship are you going to tell us that Pearse Stadium is still convenient? Travel has seen a lot of developments over the last 100 years, thanks for telling me that because I wondered what those funny rectangular things with four circles under them, one at each corner, and another circle behind the front window on the right hand side was. Geography hasn't though and it's still a trek to get to Salthill for players and fans in the better counties.

The reason you see home and away matches in Championship hurling is because those counties have arrangements with each other. Try to find similar terms with Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin and if ye can't, accept it and get on with the fact that the GAA's tendency in such circumstances is to go with neutral stadia which are as equidistant as possible to the competing counties. Couple that with the fact that since ye entered the Leinster Championship in 2009 ye've had (including this weekend) 23 matches, 19 of which have been at neutral venues, 4 away but against Westmeath (2011, 2012 and 2016) and Laois (2013) and it's not unusual in Leinster to give home advantage to weaker teams who entered the competition earlier (it's the norm with round robin entrants) what are ye actually giving out about anyway?

As I've said, I have more sympathy with the argument of Galway's underage structures being accommodated in Leinster but ye're doing yourselves no good by getting up people's noses by moaning about home advantage which rarely happens at Championship level anyway.
Agreed BUT its us doing most of the trekking over the years be that to Tullamore, Portlaoise or CP - there are quite a lot of hurling fans west of the corrib and Ballinasloe is only half way to Dublin! Like I said earlier, Tullamore will do for now, getting the underage teams catered for is much more important.  We have approached a few counties in relation to the home and away arrangement and other that KK, its been kicked to touch by all others AFAIK.
ye were complaining about going down to Munster years ago too

then it was complaining about playing Roscommon over the suck in Connacht finals

now complaints about travelling to Leinster
Thanks for the feedback, very enlightening! 🙄
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Owenmoresider on June 16, 2017, 09:04:00 AM
Suppose those travel-averse Leinster folk won't have any problem going west when it's Ballybrit in late July though. ::)
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Kilkevan on June 16, 2017, 11:09:19 AM
Suppose those travel-averse Leinster folk won't have any problem going west when it's Ballybrit in late July though. ::)

Kip
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2017, 11:30:49 PM
Well hurley folk - what's going to happen here?
Special Congress looming so decisions need to be made.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on September 15, 2017, 09:19:33 AM
Well hurley folk - what's going to happen here?
Special Congress looming so decisions need to be made.

Ned Quinn talking sense;

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/kilkenny-want-hurling-format-change-shelved-for-12-months-36130453.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/kilkenny-want-hurling-format-change-shelved-for-12-months-36130453.html)

There's not a whole pile wrong with the current format for the Liam McCarthy, but something needs to be done for the progressing counties and the super 8's certainly won't do that!
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: waterfordlad on September 30, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
The GAA proposals have been passed so we'll have Munster and Leinster championships on a round robin basis next year. I wasn't in favour of this change as feel it was dilute the provincial championships. The same buzz won't be there for round robin in my view and winning a knockout game always feels better than picking up 2 points. Crowds could be affected because of this as top counties could be playing each other 4 or 5 times a year between league and championship. A lot of the hurling counties were against the proposals including Waterford and Cork. County board chairman Paddy Joe Ryan said today he doesn't know if Waterford can host home championship games due to the limited capacity in Walsh Park.
Galway will be happy as will finally get some home championship matches and have their minors and under 21's included in Leinster but overall I don't think there was a need for this change. Quality is often better than quantity.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: didlyi on September 30, 2017, 08:21:33 PM
Like hurling needed an answer to the super 8's.
But now that the football counties have voted both in we have no choice but to change what was not broken in hurling.
The whole thing from super 8's and now this was a farce and will do noting but promote elitism in both codes.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: laoislad on September 30, 2017, 08:30:31 PM
It's a strange world we live in when Galway are now a Leinster county and Laois Westmeath and Carlow aren't.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: shark on September 30, 2017, 08:58:28 PM
It's a strange world we live in when Galway are now a Leinster county and Laois Westmeath and Carlow aren't.

What’s even worse is the Kerry situation. If they ever managed to beat Limerick/Clare/Waterford/Cork/Tipp in a playoff then you can be sure there will be a format change immediately. I really hate the elitism in certain hurling counties.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 30, 2017, 10:31:54 PM
joke

where do westmeath carlow laois go now? meath too
at least they got three games in leinster every year
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on October 02, 2017, 10:14:36 AM
joke

where do westmeath carlow laois go now? meath too
at least they got three games in leinster every year

Is there not some new championship above the Christy Ring grade?

Is there somewhere you can see which counties voted for it or not?
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 10:21:18 AM
Who did vote for it? People saying about traditional counties but I'm nearly sure Tipperary voted against.

Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Asal Mor on October 02, 2017, 10:29:40 AM
Who did vote for it? People saying about traditional counties but I'm nearly sure Tipperary voted against.
Apparently the big 5 in Munster all voted against.  A lot of the weaker counties must have voted for it. Presumably Galway would have too. Nice to get home games but it's all really just extra preliminary games before the knockout stages when everything is on the line. For the big 5 in Munster it means 2 definitely won't make the quarter finals.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 10:33:48 AM
Who did vote for it? People saying about traditional counties but I'm nearly sure Tipperary voted against.
Apparently the big 5 in Munster all voted against.  A lot of the weaker counties must have voted for it. Presumably Galway would have too. Nice to get home games but it's all really just extra preliminary games before the knockout stages when everything is on the line. For the big 5 in Munster it means 2 definitely won't make the quarter finals.

But the opposition to this appears to be on the basis that it will keep the weaker counties out of the way. I'd love to see a calendar now, worked out, with the Super 8s and the Round Robin hurling, which shows club fixtures. I have no idea how it's going to work in Tipperary, that's for sure. 1 good thing it may do is make them put much smaller numbers in Senior.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: magpie seanie on October 02, 2017, 11:33:32 AM
Can't see the sense in these new structures. There will be a lot of meaningless games and the playoff games between the 3rd placed teams and the Joe McDonagh finalists will be a joke. The two 4th placed teams will be better than the McDonagh finalists - they'd be better off getting relegated and losing the McDonagh final every year. A home playoff game to get into a 1/4 final guaranteed every year!

Down the grades, Sligo actually get promoted to the Nicky Rackard Cup for no apparent reason. The whole thing seems like a mess. There was nothing wrong with the hurling championships, was there? Suppose this gives Sky a few more games to fill their schedules with, well done Aogán and Paraic.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 11:37:10 AM
I don't think you can blame Sky for this. It's a direct reaction to the Super 8 in football. The hurling lads were afraid that their games would be swamped with football games.

Is there a published calendar for 2018 yet?
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: magpie seanie on October 02, 2017, 11:38:28 AM
I don't think you can blame Sky for this. It's a direct reaction to the Super 8 in football. The hurling lads were afraid that their games would be swamped with football games.

Is there a published calendar for 2018 yet?


From what I understand there's only a handful of hurling championship games in July next year and one in August and that's it.

I don't blame Sky at all. It's O'Fearghail and Duffy and co that sicken me.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
In all seriousness, If there is any chance for Tipp, Cork, Clare, Limerick or Waterford to fall out of the Liam McCarthy directly,this would be canned the next year.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: johnneycool on October 02, 2017, 03:50:13 PM
I don't think you can blame Sky for this. It's a direct reaction to the Super 8 in football. The hurling lads were afraid that their games would be swamped with football games.

Is there a published calendar for 2018 yet?


From what I understand there's only a handful of hurling championship games in July next year and one in August and that's it.

I don't blame Sky at all. It's O'Fearghail and Duffy and co that sicken me.

Who is on this latest Hurling Development group? I lose track of them.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: redsetanta on October 02, 2017, 04:11:37 PM
Once there is promotion between the different tiers that is the main thing for so called weaker teams to aspire to. If they are not in a position to compete to get into the higher tier then it is a waste of time.
The football championship could learn from the tiered system in hurling.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: AZOffaly on October 02, 2017, 04:13:43 PM
Once there is promotion between the different tiers that is the main thing for so called weaker teams to aspire to. If they are not in a position to compete to get into the higher tier then it is a waste of time.
The football championship could learn from the tiered system in hurling.

These guys were all supposed to be on the same 'tier'.
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: seafoid on October 02, 2017, 04:49:32 PM
In all seriousness, If there is any chance for Tipp, Cork, Clare, Limerick or Waterford to fall out of the Liam McCarthy directly,this would be canned the next year.
It would be gas if Kilkenny fell out because the backs are so crap
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: redsetanta on October 02, 2017, 04:54:54 PM
For Laois, Carlow, Westmeath etc the format regarding the championship relegation/promotion is basically the same is it not?
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: manfromdelmonte on October 02, 2017, 06:52:54 PM
For Laois, Carlow, Westmeath etc the format regarding the championship relegation/promotion is basically the same is it not?
why can't Westmeath and Laois play in Leinster and Galway can
Title: Re: New Hurling Championship Format
Post by: Asal Mor on October 02, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
I don't think you can blame Sky for this. It's a direct reaction to the Super 8 in football. The hurling lads were afraid that their games would be swamped with football games.

Is there a published calendar for 2018 yet?


From what I understand there's only a handful of hurling championship games in July next year and one in August and that's it.

I don't blame Sky at all. It's O'Fearghail and Duffy and co that sicken me.
Yeah apparently April will be kept free for the clubs. The round Robins and provincial finals will be played in May and June. Quarters and Semis in July. Final in August. That's what  I've read anyway though haven't seen any fixture calendar yet.