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Title: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on April 16, 2017, 11:40:37 AM
Saw that camross only managed to beat Shanahoe Gales by 4 points in the Palmer Cup final yesterday with basically their first team out. Hard to know if they played badly or could the Gales team be able to challenge Ballyfin Gales and The Harps for senior B honours
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 16, 2017, 06:29:33 PM
Saw that camross only managed to beat Shanahoe Gales by 4 points in the Palmer Cup final yesterday with basically their first team out. Hard to know if they played badly or could the Gales team be able to challenge Ballyfin Gales and The Harps for senior B honours

I'd say it was a case of doing enough to beat what's in front of you.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 19, 2017, 11:51:10 AM
Saw that camross only managed to beat Shanahoe Gales by 4 points in the Palmer Cup final yesterday with basically their first team out. Hard to know if they played badly or could the Gales team be able to challenge Ballyfin Gales and The Harps for senior B honours

It's the Palmer cup. It's April. It's irrelevant...
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on April 20, 2017, 08:52:42 PM
 I See Clonaslee Thugs are at it again.
U16 hurling v  Rosenallis, player assaulted and now gone to Hospital by ambulance.
Numerous players from Clonaslee attacked him with hurls.How can the Co. Board tolerate this Club time after time this same club resort to the cowardly act of assaulting opponents and get away with it.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Helix on April 20, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
I See Clonaslee Thugs are at it again.
U16 hurling v  Rosenallis, player assaulted and now gone to Hospital by ambulance.
Numerous players from Clonaslee attacked him with hurls.How can the Co. Board tolerate this Club time after time this same club resort to the cowardly act of assaulting opponents and get away with it.

Fingers crossed player in question is ok. Will probably not be the last we'll hear about this.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 20, 2017, 09:27:08 PM
I See Clonaslee Thugs are at it again.
U16 hurling v  Rosenallis, player assaulted and now gone to Hospital by ambulance.
Numerous players from Clonaslee attacked him with hurls.How can the Co. Board tolerate this Club time after time this same club resort to the cowardly act of assaulting opponents and get away with it.

Terrible thing to say but there seems to be an extraordinarily high percentage of them that totally lose it at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on April 20, 2017, 10:04:53 PM
Getting away with it for years. Pure thugs
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 20, 2017, 10:11:55 PM
At what point do the County Board act?,it seems they can act with impunity.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 21, 2017, 07:22:10 AM
The County Board could fine them. The players involved should be banned. The club should be asked to name every player involved or face removal from all competitions....either this year or next.

There's plenty the CB could do with lots of things that are wrong in this county, but don't.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 21, 2017, 09:13:00 AM
The County Board could fine them. The players involved should be banned. The club should be asked to name every player involved or face removal from all competitions....either this year or next.

There's plenty the CB could do with lots of things that are wrong in this county, but don't.
In their defense, they've done all this before, and more.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 21, 2017, 09:43:48 AM
Time for a club ban then.

I've heard 2 reports as so to what went on last night,one worse than the other,actions of the players were mentor driven against a chap who was playing well for Rosenallis,attacking a prone unconscious u16 player into the bargain.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 21, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
Time for a club ban then.

I've heard 2 reports as so to what went on last night,one worse than the other,actions of the players were mentor driven against a chap who was playing well for Rosenallis,attacking a prone unconscious u16 player into the bargain.
I wouldn't be against banning the Club. They've had more than enough warnings at this stage. Removing home fixtures, fines, suspensions, all have failed to work.

I wonder would Offaly take them?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on April 21, 2017, 10:01:28 AM
Offaly have enough problems of their own. This should go further than the Co board. Hope the boys parents are down at the Garda station this morning reporting this incident.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 21, 2017, 09:23:07 PM
I believe the same 2 clubs are playing an u16 football game next week
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 21, 2017, 11:28:01 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/04/21/u-16-hurling-match-abandoned-serious-injury/
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 22, 2017, 12:14:24 AM
Time for a club ban then.

I've heard 2 reports as so to what went on last night,one worse than the other,actions of the players were mentor driven against a chap who was playing well for Rosenallis,attacking a prone unconscious u16 player into the bargain.

Maybe I am soft, but you can't ban the club IMO.
On the other hand, I don't have a solution.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on April 22, 2017, 08:08:21 AM
Clonaslee a once proud and disciplined club are now nothing more than a shambles and an absolute disgrace. Loud mouthed ill disciplined thugs that know nothing about sport and the value that it can bring to a community. their are plenty of decent people in clonaslee that have walked away from the club over the last number of years because of a few ignorant uncontrollable yobs. The CB have dished out all sorts of fines, home match bans etc to Clonaslee club but all to no avail.
Clonaslee as a club have not taken any action by way of suspending certain individuals and as a result they are the most detested ill disciplined Club in the county. What a pity to see a once proud and valued sporting club that offered so much to its own members and to the county now in such a situation.
The only way the Club can mend its ways is internally, the club officers should dish out suspensions instead of protecting them. if suspensions mean that they fail to field teams so be it. Better not field a team than continue in the same manor.   
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: SCFC on April 22, 2017, 01:01:16 PM
Hard to know what can be done now.
How many chances do you give a club?
Feel sorry for the few decent, genuine people in that club who must be disgusted with this latest incident.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 22, 2017, 04:17:30 PM
Time for a club ban then.

I've heard 2 reports as so to what went on last night,one worse than the other,actions of the players were mentor driven against a chap who was playing well for Rosenallis,attacking a prone unconscious u16 player into the bargain.

Maybe I am soft, but you can't ban the club IMO.
On the other hand, I don't have a solution.

Of course you can ban clubs from competitions

Just one example

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/gaa-zero-tolerance-policy-continues-after-cavan-club-is-banned-26457043.html
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on April 22, 2017, 04:55:45 PM
I suppose I mean't "shouldn't" in place of "can't". But then again we are probably heading for last resort at this stage regarding Clonaslee.

The way I heard Clonaslee people defend James Young in the weeks after that incident V Castletown last year really sums up the problems in that club. Here there most high profile hurler in 30 years was backed to the hilt after behaving disgracefully. That's the leadership they are getting.
Monkey see, monkey do.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on April 25, 2017, 08:20:08 PM
Ballyfin seem to be playing well in the intermediate league, without the gaels players they will have for the championshio at senior b, maybe rosenallis can do well this year also. I think Ballacolla will be difficult to beat but they have played darren maher at centre forward and willie hyland at centre back which is certainly differant. But i wouldnt be surprised to see b/k retain as they seem to have all the tools to do so and with their forwards they are the team to beat
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Cruella De Vil on April 25, 2017, 11:58:50 PM
Clonaslee a once proud and disciplined club are now nothing more than a shambles and an absolute disgrace. Loud mouthed ill disciplined thugs that know nothing about sport and the value that it can bring to a community. their are plenty of decent people in clonaslee that have walked away from the club over the last number of years because of a few ignorant uncontrollable yobs. The CB have dished out all sorts of fines, home match bans etc to Clonaslee club but all to no avail.
Clonaslee as a club have not taken any action by way of suspending certain individuals and as a result they are the most detested ill disciplined Club in the county. What a pity to see a once proud and valued sporting club that offered so much to its own members and to the county now in such a situation.

I agree with most of your post rover, except "once proud & disciplined" club. This s**t is going on for as long as I can remember (i.e. 30+ yrs). Like fathers/like sons bans have been handed down, even lifetime sideline bans for some folk, and they continue to act the b****x year in, year out. This is totally coming from the top down in the club, not all at the top, but the majority, in creating the mindset of what is and isn't acceptable. At an U-8 game last year, I seen a clonaslee chap throw a hurl at an opponent when he was running after him and couldn't catch him, this was met with a chorus of laughter and cheers by the usual suspects watching on the sideline. I will add the ref was their own John Rowney, who pulled the player aside and warned him not to do this again, but they haven't enough guys up there that think like John. Most coaches would reprimand a chap for this, not encourage it, most parents if their child did it at 8 years, would give the kid a boot in the hole, put them in the car, and take them home.
The regularity of this stuff up there is ridiculous. All clubs can have a crazy incident/game up and down where things go wild, but every year clonaslee seem to have loads, almost exclusively in hurling, where they can swing wildly at lads heads with the hurl, the bare fisted combat doesnt appeal to the tough guys who knock lads out with hurls from behind.

It's a f**king disgrace.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 26, 2017, 11:44:53 AM
Front of the Leinster this week

Well done Clonaslee,ye must be so proud
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 26, 2017, 12:24:05 PM
Front of the Leinster this week

Well done Clonaslee,ye must be so proud
They've never given a solid f**k before, doubt they'll change now.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on April 26, 2017, 05:37:31 PM
Clonaslee a once proud and disciplined club are now nothing more than a shambles and an absolute disgrace. Loud mouthed ill disciplined thugs that know nothing about sport and the value that it can bring to a community. their are plenty of decent people in clonaslee that have walked away from the club over the last number of years because of a few ignorant uncontrollable yobs. The CB have dished out all sorts of fines, home match bans etc to Clonaslee club but all to no avail.
Clonaslee as a club have not taken any action by way of suspending certain individuals and as a result they are the most detested ill disciplined Club in the county. What a pity to see a once proud and valued sporting club that offered so much to its own members and to the county now in such a situation.

I agree with most of your post rover, except "once proud & disciplined" club. This s**t is going on for as long as I can remember (i.e. 30+ yrs). Like fathers/like sons bans have been handed down, even lifetime sideline bans for some folk, and they continue to act the b****x year in, year out. This is totally coming from the top down in the club, not all at the top, but the majority, in creating the mindset of what is and isn't acceptable. At an U-8 game last year, I seen a clonaslee chap throw a hurl at an opponent when he was running after him and couldn't catch him, this was met with a chorus of laughter and cheers by the usual suspects watching on the sideline. I will add the ref was their own John Rowney, who pulled the player aside and warned him not to do this again, but they haven't enough guys up there that think like John. Most coaches would reprimand a chap for this, not encourage it, most parents if their child did it at 8 years, would give the kid a boot in the hole, put them in the car, and take them home.
The regularity of this stuff up there is ridiculous. All clubs can have a crazy incident/game up and down where things go wild, but every year clonaslee seem to have loads, almost exclusively in hurling, where they can swing wildly at lads heads with the hurl, the bare fisted combat doesnt appeal to the tough guys who knock lads out with hurls from behind.

It's a f**king disgrace.

I can only speak from my own experience, The reason I said a once proud and disciplined Club was because I did hurl against Clonaslee during the 1980's and 1990's we always found them tough and hard as were most clubs that were in contention for a senior title at the time, they were no worst or better than any other club at that time and always had a number of players playing for county teams at all grades.Looking back I would actually say that  Players from Clonaslee at that time such as Phil Dillon, Paddy and Fran Bates, Tom Flynn, John O'Keeffe R.I.P. Gerry Culliton R.I.P., and many more that I can not remember all their names were gentlemen of the game and I certainly would have held their players and mentors at that time as true lovers of the game. What a pity the Club has now gone to such an all time low.
I will repeat what I already stated a lot of these men of that time have walked away from the Club because of the current standards accepted by club officers, mentors and players.   
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 26, 2017, 11:08:49 PM
If the County Board dont do anything, other clubs should simply refuse to field against them. Force the hand of either the CB or the club.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 27, 2017, 08:36:42 AM
There's every chance Clonaslee would win a multiple of county titles if this was to happen.

The CB should man up and do their job,the likelihood of this happening........,most unlikely
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 27, 2017, 10:46:51 AM
There's every chance Clonaslee would win a multiple of county titles if this was to happen.

The CB should man up and do their job,the likelihood of this happening........,most unlikely
Let them have them, worthless.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on April 27, 2017, 11:40:52 AM
Wow, hard to pass proper comment as I did not see the game and therefore the incident but when I read comments like " It is believed the player involved had his helmet removed before he received a blow to the head which rendered him unconscious" in the newspaper it tells me this kind of thing really needs to be stamped out once and for all in the GAA. Serious action is needed and Gardai should certainly be involved. In fairness to the county board they have come down hard after serious incidents like this before, but there is only so much that they can do. This is an issue for everyone in the GAA to deal with:

Prosecutions: In the incident we are discussing this 15 year old was assaulted plain and simple, the reality is assaults have been happening for years on GAA pitches and almost nothing done about them. Clonaslee have a shocking recent history of this but no club is blameless, we have all been on teams where a player or players have swung fists or boots off the ball. This is assault any way you dress it, but because it happens on a pitch we try and sweep it under the carpet once the noice dies down. Most clubs probably have members or know members of the Gardai so this may help with regards to making the incident go away so to speak. But make no mistake about it charges need to be brought against players who assault others, this will stamp out this culture we have created where violent acts are acceptable on the field of play. Our games are tough games as it is, players can get plenty physical within the rules.

Video evidence: I agree that if every avenue is taken by county board that there may eventually be no alternative but to suspend the club from all competitions. It is a last resort though as it really is a small group spoiling it for the rest, but the fact that it keeps occurring shows the club need to sort it out. One way that might help is for the CB to give the a 5 year ban from all competitions which is suspended on condition they have all games videoed by company of CB choosing which will be paid for by the club. The idea been that any incident in future would be caught for posterity,  it might seem extortionate but they might not have any other choice.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on April 27, 2017, 11:46:51 AM
Re: Video evidence, if there was an incident i doubt the cameraman would get out the gate of the grounds with his camera!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 27, 2017, 12:15:24 PM
Wow, hard to pass proper comment as I did not see the game and therefore the incident but when I read comments like " It is believed the player involved had his helmet removed before he received a blow to the head which rendered him unconscious" in the newspaper it tells me this kind of thing really needs to be stamped out once and for all in the GAA. Serious action is needed and Gardai should certainly be involved. In fairness to the county board they have come down hard after serious incidents like this before, but there is only so much that they can do. This is an issue for everyone in the GAA to deal with:

Prosecutions: In the incident we are discussing this 15 year old was assaulted plain and simple, the reality is assaults have been happening for years on GAA pitches and almost nothing done about them. Clonaslee have a shocking recent history of this but no club is blameless, we have all been on teams where a player or players have swung fists or boots off the ball. This is assault any way you dress it, but because it happens on a pitch we try and sweep it under the carpet once the noice dies down. Most clubs probably have members or know members of the Gardai so this may help with regards to making the incident go away so to speak. But make no mistake about it charges need to be brought against players who assault others, this will stamp out this culture we have created where violent acts are acceptable on the field of play. Our games are tough games as it is, players can get plenty physical within the rules.

Video evidence: I agree that if every avenue is taken by county board that there may eventually be no alternative but to suspend the club from all competitions. It is a last resort though as it really is a small group spoiling it for the rest, but the fact that it keeps occurring shows the club need to sort it out. One way that might help is for the CB to give the a 5 year ban from all competitions which is suspended on condition they have all games videoed by company of CB choosing which will be paid for by the club. The idea been that any incident in future would be caught for posterity,  it might seem extortionate but they might not have any other choice.

just apply the laws as they currently stand thats all thats need.

Clubs can be banned,it has been done before in other counties,precedent is already there.

As for the filming of games,cost alone makes it a non runner given the number of games,also given a choice you would see many a camera man taking the safer option of Aleppo over Clonaslee atm.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on April 27, 2017, 12:29:43 PM
I wouldn't like to be the poor camera man trying to get out of Clonaslee if anything happened.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on April 27, 2017, 12:45:11 PM
Ok fair enough video evidence is out, just feel sorry for genuine GAA people in Clonaslee, as always its a small minority who are ruining it for the rest. Going on this and other incidents it would seem that the club and CB are unable to deal with the situation, with his in mind they may need a severe suspension for couple of years (maybe more) to weed out the trouble makers but such a suspension would most likely destroy the club.

But in all these cases we need to see prosecutions happening, never mind GAA law, assault charges need to be handed down when assaults occur.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laois fan on April 27, 2017, 01:17:30 PM
Seems this is under garda investigation now and rightly so.Think an overall ban for the club might be a bit harsh but def they should be banned from playing any home games for a few years maybe its changed but always found it intimadating with supporters nearly on the pitch roaring in.Also maybe thr county board could put them on probation and have neutral observer at every match involving them to report any further incidents(clonaslee covers costs).In saying that if club dont co-operate fully with any iinvestigations it will say alot,most parents and management of teams will worry about playing against them without serious change
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 27, 2017, 01:20:32 PM
Seems this is under garda investigation now and rightly so.

Wasn't the last time around investigated by the Gardai too - with a Garda being the main instigator....
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 27, 2017, 01:32:30 PM
Maybe any potential videographers that ye are suggesting turn up and video games,should read this

http://m.independent.ie/sport/hurling/garda-investigated-over-alleged-assault-at-match-26692220.html
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: steven seagal on April 27, 2017, 04:36:10 PM
Clonaslee need a complete overhaul of the culture in the club, but god only knows how you would go about doing that. In the last year, they had a Division 2 football game abandoned against Annanough, had a player given a 24 match ban for trying to decapitate an opponent and starting a mass brawl in O'Moore Park, and now this latest effort. The reports coming out from this one are far worse, and more disturbing, than any of the other two.

That's just in 12 months as well. You can go further back and include the brawl in O'Moore Park that saw them banned from home games for five years, using club funds to bail a player out of jail to play a club match, and refusing to name a player who knocked out a young Rathdowney-Errill hurler in a junior match. That's only what I can think of, no doubt there has been countless other red cards, fights and abuse of referees, linesmen or opposition.

At this stage, I think they'll have to completely ban the club for a year or two. Allow juvenile players 'isolated player' status and let them go wherever they want to continue playing in the mean time, and then hope that the lunatics have stopped running the asylum when the club returns to competitive action. I don't know if any of that is within the remit of Laois GAA, but it's what I'd like to see done.

Or else see will Offaly take them  :)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoisguy on April 28, 2017, 12:19:15 PM
The game against Clonaslee in most age groups u14 upwards are now dreaded in our club

Intimidation rampant on the line of players,supporters,Ref and even their own players

I umpired a match u16 in which they were involved and the behaviour of management towards their own players was disgusting

I could hear players saying they would never play again

Unbelievable
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on April 28, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
On a slightly more positive note we appear to have a new Senior referee in the county, an O Brien fella formerly from Tipp, he referred Borris Kilcotton v Camross last Saturday night and was really excellent, Top class
Can easily see him being our top referee for the year ahead.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 28, 2017, 03:59:29 PM
Considering we lost 15 refs between this year and last,maybe we could do with a few more imports
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 29, 2017, 01:21:34 AM
The Clonaslee thing is in the papers and on social media. No hiding for the CB on this.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on April 29, 2017, 09:38:16 AM
A bit off topic this but how is Patrick Hyland from Clonaslee not on the minor hurling panel?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on April 29, 2017, 10:16:08 AM
https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/857977901630803968/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/857977901630803968/photo/1)

Shows what Clonalsee can do when they do things right, hopefully they can rid themselves of the few clowns who are giving them a bad name.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 29, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
I have to laugh when I see the phrases "a few clowns" or "small minority" in relation to Clonaslee,there seem to be an issue with them in every grade from u8's upwards

As another poster said earlier,every time there's a game against them, there's hassle at best.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on April 29, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/857977901630803968/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/CLGLaois/status/857977901630803968/photo/1)

Shows what Clonalsee can do when they do things right, hopefully they can rid themselves of the few clowns who are giving them a bad name.
Best hurler by a country mile on that team is from Abbeyleix and there are few good players from Rosenallis and Offaly clubs I imagine as well. The teachers are outsiders as well. Wouldn't be banking on the locals.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on April 29, 2017, 02:13:00 PM
I have to laugh when I see the phrases "a few clowns" or "small minority" in relation to Clonaslee,there seem to be an issue with them in every grade from u8's upwards

As another poster said earlier,every time there's a game against them, there's hassle at best.

So Clonaslee produce nothing of quality, just a bunch of scumbags is it? They actually have a great sporting reputation down the years. I know plenty of people from there and as been said on this thread its a small percentage of people who are spoiling it for the rest.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on April 29, 2017, 03:08:25 PM
I have to laugh when I see the phrases "a few clowns" or "small minority" in relation to Clonaslee,there seem to be an issue with them in every grade from u8's upwards

As another poster said earlier,every time there's a game against them, there's hassle at best.

So Clonaslee produce nothing of quality, just a bunch of scumbags is it? They actually have a great sporting reputation down the years. I know plenty of people from there and as been said on this thread its a small percentage of people who are spoiling it for the rest.

get off your high horse and spare me the faux outrage,they have a litany of serious offences the length of your arm,maybe the "plenty of people" you know should put their foot down and call a halt to the behaviour of the "few"
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Cruella De Vil on April 29, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
I have to laugh when I see the phrases "a few clowns" or "small minority" in relation to Clonaslee,there seem to be an issue with them in every grade from u8's upwards

As another poster said earlier,every time there's a game against them, there's hassle at best.

So Clonaslee produce nothing of quality, just a bunch of scumbags is it? They actually have a great sporting reputation down the years. I know plenty of people from there and as been said on this thread its a small percentage of people who are spoiling it for the rest.

get off your high horse and spare me the faux outrage,they have a litany of serious offences the length of your arm,maybe the "plenty of people" you know should put their foot down and call a halt to the behaviour of the "few"

+1 clonadmad, 100% correct.

If the majority were outraged & embarrassed by this stuff all the time, surely they would have the will and means democratically to oust the "few", if it were just a few. If you accept acting the maggot at underage, you create the monster.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on April 29, 2017, 10:35:32 PM
I have to laugh when I see the phrases "a few clowns" or "small minority" in relation to Clonaslee,there seem to be an issue with them in every grade from u8's upwards

As another poster said earlier,every time there's a game against them, there's hassle at best.

So Clonaslee produce nothing of quality, just a bunch of scumbags is it? They actually have a great sporting reputation down the years. I know plenty of people from there and as been said on this thread its a small percentage of people who are spoiling it for the rest.
I suspect you may have skin in the game here, but I'll humor you. At this point, any positives they have provided to the county have been HUGELY outweighed by their despicable carryon. If all these good people you know were to stand up and take back their club, the problem would be solved. Their inaction damns them.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on May 03, 2017, 02:21:55 PM
I have to laugh when I see the phrases "a few clowns" or "small minority" in relation to Clonaslee,there seem to be an issue with them in every grade from u8's upwards

As another poster said earlier,every time there's a game against them, there's hassle at best.

So Clonaslee produce nothing of quality, just a bunch of scumbags is it? They actually have a great sporting reputation down the years. I know plenty of people from there and as been said on this thread its a small percentage of people who are spoiling it for the rest.
I suspect you may have skin in the game here, but I'll humor you. At this point, any positives they have provided to the county have been HUGELY outweighed by their despicable carryon. If all these good people you know were to stand up and take back their club, the problem would be solved. Their inaction damns them.

I have no 'skin in the game' like the rest of you all I would hope that Clonslee clean up their act and get rid of the element within the club that is the root cause of this type of carry on, because the path they are on will lead to a draconian ban of several years from all competitions. As i said originally my wish would be to see all acts of violence on GAA pitches to be punished in a court of law rather than by county boards.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 04, 2017, 12:22:47 AM
Why not both? Are you saying that the courts are bound by the rulings of our CB?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 04, 2017, 01:06:18 PM
I see from this weeks Leinster that the 15 year old that was struck in the Clonaslee game had to be re-admitted to hospital
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Tintin84 on May 04, 2017, 03:00:32 PM
Also I hear the game against Clonaslee and Rosenallis u16 football went off without any incident, Think the big talking point was that the lad that got injured is out for up to 3 months and the players that were so called suspended were playing last night against Rosenallis, Doesn't make much sense does it?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Joeythelips on May 05, 2017, 09:56:29 AM
Why not both? Are you saying that the courts are bound by the rulings of our CB?
Of course both but a lot of people are giving out that the county board are not dealing with it properly, but they have given serious bans and fines on previous occasions. But as was my original point, violent incidents like these during or after games rarely end up with charges against the assailant. If all players knew there was a good chance they would face a criminal conviction if they were involved in such incidents they would stop very quickly. The problem is we still have this as part of the culture of gaelic games that a fight or melee's are acceptable. Our games have plenty of physicality allowed in the rules without resorting to such nonsense.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on May 10, 2017, 08:47:55 AM
The Clonaslee-St Manman’s player who was named as re-entering the pitch and starting the melee had been previously sent off in the first half due a second yellow card minor infraction and was in fact togged in and standing in the dug outs behind his mentor when the melee began.

“In the referee’s report, it is alleged that Clonaslee parents entered the field of play after the whistle was blown and had contributed to the melee.

“While we acknowledge some parents did enter the pitch, it was only to remove their children from the pitch as three of our players indicated they were assaulted. The players in question have now all made statements which will be forwarded to the children’s officer.

As previously stated, the melee did not start as a result of a Clonaslee player re-entering the field of play. It was in fact started by an off-the-ball incident involving a Clonaslee and Rosenallis player.

“At that point, players from both clubs were involved in the incident and it was at this point that the referee abandoned the game, with a scoreline of Clonaslee 4-9 and Rosenallis 1-8.

“The injured Rosenallis player remained on the pitch with his mother, mentor and a registered nurse, who is a mother of a Clonaslee player and who provided medical assistance.

“She assured that the injured player had sustained an injury but was lucid, talking and at no point unconscious as was inaccurately reported in some media.

“This statement from Clonaslee-St Manman’s is as a result of an investigation by our club, where statements have been taken and are being forwarded to relevant authorities.

“It is with regret that Clonaslee-St Manman’s GAA Club find it necessary to release a statement of this nature to defend our juveniles against the inaccuracies reported by some sections of the media and on social media.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 10, 2017, 09:57:38 AM
The Clonaslee-St Manman’s player who was named as re-entering the pitch and starting the melee had been previously sent off in the first half due a second yellow card minor infraction and was in fact togged in and standing in the dug outs behind his mentor when the melee began.

“In the referee’s report, it is alleged that Clonaslee parents entered the field of play after the whistle was blown and had contributed to the melee.

“While we acknowledge some parents did enter the pitch, it was only to remove their children from the pitch as three of our players indicated they were assaulted. The players in question have now all made statements which will be forwarded to the children’s officer.

As previously stated, the melee did not start as a result of a Clonaslee player re-entering the field of play. It was in fact started by an off-the-ball incident involving a Clonaslee and Rosenallis player.

“At that point, players from both clubs were involved in the incident and it was at this point that the referee abandoned the game, with a scoreline of Clonaslee 4-9 and Rosenallis 1-8.

“The injured Rosenallis player remained on the pitch with his mother, mentor and a registered nurse, who is a mother of a Clonaslee player and who provided medical assistance.

“She assured that the injured player had sustained an injury but was lucid, talking and at no point unconscious as was inaccurately reported in some media.

“This statement from Clonaslee-St Manman’s is as a result of an investigation by our club, where statements have been taken and are being forwarded to relevant authorities.

“It is with regret that Clonaslee-St Manman’s GAA Club find it necessary to release a statement of this nature to defend our juveniles against the inaccuracies reported by some sections of the media and on social media.

So to summarise


Never

Our

Fault
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 10, 2017, 10:55:49 AM
Casting doubt on the contents of the refs report and then turning on the meeja,as an excercise in passing the buck and deflection.

I'd give it a 7/10

Marks lost for not wishing the Rosenallis youngster a speedy recovery and not mentioning that Clonaslee doesn't support or condone foul play in any shape or form
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 10, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Clonaslee doesn't support or condone foul play in any shape or form

Well, they probably didn't want to take the p*ss too much.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on May 10, 2017, 04:12:00 PM
The Clonaslee-St Manman’s player who was named as re-entering the pitch and starting the melee had been previously sent off in the first half due a second yellow card minor infraction and was in fact togged in and standing in the dug outs behind his mentor when the melee began.

“In the referee’s report, it is alleged that Clonaslee parents entered the field of play after the whistle was blown and had contributed to the melee.

“While we acknowledge some parents did enter the pitch, it was only to remove their children from the pitch as three of our players indicated they were assaulted. The players in question have now all made statements which will be forwarded to the children’s officer.

As previously stated, the melee did not start as a result of a Clonaslee player re-entering the field of play. It was in fact started by an off-the-ball incident involving a Clonaslee and Rosenallis player.

“At that point, players from both clubs were involved in the incident and it was at this point that the referee abandoned the game, with a scoreline of Clonaslee 4-9 and Rosenallis 1-8.

“The injured Rosenallis player remained on the pitch with his mother, mentor and a registered nurse, who is a mother of a Clonaslee player and who provided medical assistance.

“She assured that the injured player had sustained an injury but was lucid, talking and at no point unconscious as was inaccurately reported in some media.

“This statement from Clonaslee-St Manman’s is as a result of an investigation by our club, where statements have been taken and are being forwarded to relevant authorities.

“It is with regret that Clonaslee-St Manman’s GAA Club find it necessary to release a statement of this nature to defend our juveniles against the inaccuracies reported by some sections of the media and on social media.

Might aswell of said it was the young lads fault for having a soft head and it should of been at least a free...bull
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on May 10, 2017, 04:13:22 PM
Lads, lads, lads, cant ye see, Clonaslee have launched their own investigation into the matter. Trust them to handle this in the correct manner please.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: hurlingmad on May 11, 2017, 12:47:57 AM
Lads, lads, lads, cant ye see, Clonaslee have launched their own investigation into the matter. Trust them to handle this in the correct manner please.

Latest findings from the internal investigation confirm that the player that headbut the clonaslee players hurl is "grand" amd it will make him hardy
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: steven seagal on May 11, 2017, 09:59:13 AM
Is the hurl alright??  :)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 12, 2017, 04:51:34 PM
I see Na Fianna have given a walkover in the MHL Div2 game. You'd wonder how many more matches will be conceded, in light of the recent trouble?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on May 12, 2017, 06:12:04 PM
05/05/2017
Na Fianna   -   vs   -   Naomh Fiontáin Maighean Rátha   Conceded by Naomh Fiontáin Maighean Rátha
11/05/2017
Cloneen/Railyard   -   vs   -   Portlaoise B   Conceded by Portlaoise B
Rosenallis   -   vs   -   Castletown   Conceded by Castletown

I Can list many more conceded fixtures, What SNIDE remark can you attribute to a never ending list?.
Hurlers on the ditch with throw away remarks are not helpful in any situation.










Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on May 12, 2017, 06:24:48 PM
Thats the spirit Rover,you come out swinging anyways

06/05/2017       
Crettyard   -   vs   -   Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain   Conceded by Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain

26/04/2017
Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain   -   vs   -   Ballyroan Abbey   Conceded by Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain

16/04/2017
Emo   -   vs   -   Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain   Conceded by Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain   

Achl
02/05/2017
Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain   -   vs   -   Camross   Conceded by Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain

22/04/2017
Borris in Ossory Kilcotton   -   vs   -   Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain   Conceded by Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain

Minor B Football League Group B
10/05/2017
Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain   -   vs   -   Rosenallis   Conceded by Rosenallis

Under 14 B Hurling League
24/04/2017
Clonaslee St Manmans/Cluain na Slí Naomh Meanmain -  vs   -  Park Ratheniska-Timahoe      Conceded by Park Ratheniska-Timahoe
   
MINOR B HURLING LEAGUE
12/05/17
CLONASLEE ST MANMANS/CLUAIN NA SLÍ NAOMH MEANMAIN   -   VS   -   NA FIANNA      CONCEDED BY NA FIANNA
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on May 12, 2017, 11:50:32 PM
05/05/2017
Na Fianna   -   vs   -   Naomh Fiontáin Maighean Rátha   Conceded by Naomh Fiontáin Maighean Rátha
11/05/2017
Cloneen/Railyard   -   vs   -   Portlaoise B   Conceded by Portlaoise B
Rosenallis   -   vs   -   Castletown   Conceded by Castletown

I Can list many more conceded fixtures, What SNIDE remark can you attribute to a never ending list?.
Hurlers on the ditch with throw away remarks are not helpful in any situation.

Cry me a river.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on May 13, 2017, 12:23:46 AM
I see Na Fianna have given a walkover in the MHL Div2 game. You'd wonder how many more matches will be conceded, in light of the recent trouble?

Na Fianna don't seem to need much of an excuse to give a walkover. Can't blame Clonaslee for them all
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on May 15, 2017, 03:07:52 PM
Why is it always Clonaslee tho...I know there is good people there but going back as far as I can remember there has been trouble with them at all levels.

I've been to many of their games as a neutral and seen for my own eyes what has gone on.

I know two ref's one retired who won't ref games in their pitch..

I can't comment on this investigation or what happened but it's a shame the club can never escape this tag they have.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on May 15, 2017, 06:06:22 PM
Ballinakill have conceded tonight at under 14.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: TheGiantSquid on June 19, 2017, 03:06:50 AM
Does anyone know the story with PJ Scully? He hasn't featured at all this year, has he still got the quad injury or what?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on June 19, 2017, 03:29:37 PM
BK will be without Scully & Joe Campion until at least September, both injured & require surgery, same with Paddy Whelan who had his surgery & is gone for a year, & Colm Stapleton gone to America.

Clough Ballacolla flying in the league, unbeaten to date and through to final. BK vs either Rathdowney Errill or Camross in league semi final.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: TheGiantSquid on June 25, 2017, 11:52:18 PM
Clough Ballacolla missing Willie Dunphy & Picky limped off today. Willie Hyland will probably go back into forwards now after spending the league at centre back. Cha also missing for first round as is PJ Scully, a shame that the best forwards in the county are unavilable.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on June 26, 2017, 09:46:08 AM
Is Cha out for sure?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on June 26, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
Although I generally think the round robin, the Wexford and Carlow games have been good for development of our very young senior team, it has been disastrous from a club hurling perspective for MOST clubs. The likes of B/K, C/B and R/E have had half teams for the league and will have no time to get ready for the championship with the Dublin match now. Clubs like Camross and Abbeyleix have been going well as they have so few county players. I guess this is what it must be like in more successful counties that get long championship runs but we are in a position where we have been hurling inter county Championship since April! First few rounds of the club championship could be very unpredictable and fairly low on quality.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on June 26, 2017, 11:15:10 PM
Although I generally think the round robin, the Wexford and Carlow games have been good for development of our very young senior team, it has been disastrous from a club hurling perspective for MOST clubs. The likes of B/K, C/B and R/E have had half teams for the league and will have no time to get ready for the championship with the Dublin match now. Clubs like Camross and Abbeyleix have been going well as they have so few county players. I guess this is what it must be like in more successful counties that get long championship runs but we are in a position where we have been hurling inter county Championship since April! First few rounds of the club championship could be very unpredictable and fairly low on quality.

Most successful counties the likes of Kk/Galway and Tipp continue on with their club championship in tandem with the inter county scene and have access to their players under the 7 day rule,Laois playing 6 championship games and hopefully more is a new concept for the CB to address in future
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on June 26, 2017, 11:44:54 PM
Although I generally think the round robin, the Wexford and Carlow games have been good for development of our very young senior team, it has been disastrous from a club hurling perspective for MOST clubs. The likes of B/K, C/B and R/E have had half teams for the league and will have no time to get ready for the championship with the Dublin match now. Clubs like Camross and Abbeyleix have been going well as they have so few county players. I guess this is what it must be like in more successful counties that get long championship runs but we are in a position where we have been hurling inter county Championship since April! First few rounds of the club championship could be very unpredictable and fairly low on quality.

Most successful counties the likes of Kk/Galway and Tipp continue on with their club championship in tandem with the inter county scene and have access to their players under the 7 day rule,Laois playing 6 championship games and hopefully more is a new concept for the CB to address in future

Current championship structure works great in so many ways.
Exciting, competitive, certainty around dates, intriguing once it gets going. It is guaranteed to almost never interfere with Laois intercounty fixtures.
There also aren't that many games, again logistically easier.
If I was sitting in an office in Portlaoise I'd be loathe to change any of it!

On the other hand it starts too late in the summer and our leagues are a joke. Particularly in years when we are in the round robin.

It's hard to get right. In fairness to Handy & co many counties would love a championship that ran like ours. But it does start to late. Proposals to bring everything forward that are currently on the agenda of the GAA/GPA/CPA might fix that for us in the coming years!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: TheGiantSquid on July 05, 2017, 11:59:43 PM
Colt conceded to the Harps in the Div 1B final tonight. It is very poor form out of them. I think they are complaining about fixture congestion with their junior hurlers playing 2 matches in the last five days and they have one or two in with the Balyroan footballers. I still feel it is terrible form to concede a final and it takes the joy away from the Harps who looked on paper to deserve the title anyways. Anyone shed further light on this??
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on July 06, 2017, 12:07:58 AM
Played junior final sunday, junior championship last night, have football championship tomorrow night, why they culdnt play it a different date i dont know, between this courtwood not being promoted and the ballypickas-mountmellick fiasco its a bad look
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Helix on July 16, 2017, 10:21:15 PM
Senior B and intermediate championship kicked off this weekend. Ballyfin gaels got through mountmellick. Some win for Rosenallis tonight vs the Harps. Colt gaels hammering Shanahoe gaels last night. The makings of a decent side.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on July 17, 2017, 02:37:28 PM
Senior B and intermediate championship kicked off this weekend. Ballyfin gaels got through mountmellick. Some win for Rosenallis tonight vs the Harps. Colt gaels hammering Shanahoe gaels last night. The makings of a decent side.
Who are the Gaels part of Colt?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Camarillo Brillo on July 17, 2017, 02:39:15 PM
Clonad are the gaels part
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on July 17, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
Played junior final sunday, junior championship last night, have football championship tomorrow night, why they culdnt play it a different date i dont know, between this courtwood not being promoted and the ballypickas-mountmellick fiasco its a bad look

I Can't understand why a hurling club would give a walkover in a county hurling final yet play all manner of oul football matches the same week. Makes no sense.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on July 17, 2017, 05:19:15 PM
Clonad are the gaels part
Have they many on it? Colt have some decent players there.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Helix on July 17, 2017, 05:49:23 PM
Clonad are the gaels part
Have they many on it? Colt have some decent players there.

2 started 2 came on from Clonad. 4 so far and Kevin Bergin will probably return currently in US.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 18, 2017, 05:43:32 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/18/laois-gaa-vice-chairman-serious-war-words-club-delegate
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on July 18, 2017, 07:00:48 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/18/laois-gaa-vice-chairman-serious-war-words-club-delegate
Hon ya girl Mary.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: SCFC on July 18, 2017, 09:06:25 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/18/laois-gaa-vice-chairman-serious-war-words-club-delegate
Hon ya girl Mary.
She's a dose that one but 100% right here. Plenty of other clubs had to play league finals without county players. Mountmellick shouldn't be any different.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on July 18, 2017, 09:30:58 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/18/laois-gaa-vice-chairman-serious-war-words-club-delegate
Hon ya girl Mary.
She's a dose that one but 100% right here. Plenty of other clubs had to play league finals without county players. Mountmellick shouldn't be any different.
From experience, league finals in Division 1 and 2 tend to have the county players. Name a recent example where a Division 1 final was played without county players. I can't think of any but you may be right.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 18, 2017, 10:58:52 PM
In fairness to her and Ballypickas, it was a problem that wasn't of their making.
Really it was an administrative error. The fixture should never have been made.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 21, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
Any thoughts on this evenings game between Borris-Kilcotton and Ballinakill?

A few absentees on both sides.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on July 21, 2017, 11:49:30 PM
BK that bit slicker in the forwards which made all the difference
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on July 24, 2017, 10:21:22 AM
No shocks at all over the weekend. The real championship only starts after the first round.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on August 05, 2017, 02:47:57 PM
Hard to see anything but wins for Rathdowney/Errill and Borris/Kilcotton this evening. RE should have the forwards to really hurt Portlaoise while I'd expect BK to smother the CB forwards and should have too much.

RE by 11
BK by 6

Tomorrow, Camross are my strong favourites for the championship and can't see Abbeyleix living with their physicality. Ballinakill-Castletown could well be the closest game of the weekend, if Castletown can stop Cha then they might just get over the line.

Camross by 9
Castletown by 1

The Harps and Mountrath have won their respective Senior A qualifier games and confined Shanahoe Gaels and Borris/Kilcotton to the relegation final. The Gaels should have enough to stay up.

I'll take Colt Gaels to beat Clonaslee in what could be a really good game. I also think Ballyfin Gaels might just have too much up front for Rosenallis. Expecting 2 good games here actually.

Colt Gaels by 3
Ballyfin Gaels by 2
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 06, 2017, 01:51:10 AM
Two 21 point hammerings.....jaysus!
Those 2 and Camross are the only realistic contenders.
That is two 21 point beatings in less than a month for Clough Ballacolla. Change of management is surely a possibility at this stage.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on August 07, 2017, 12:27:48 PM
What a win for Abbeyleix, fair f**ks to them as a club, they're a testament as to how it should be grown from underage up.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 07, 2017, 01:14:49 PM
Great wins for Abbeyleix and Borris Kilcotton.
A county final appearace is not a stretch now for Abbeyleix.

I can't find confirmation anywhere but I presume that it's C/Ballacolla v R/Errill and Camross v Ballinakill Gaels?

Relegation is hard to call- Castletown have put in two decent performances, but when is the last time they won a senior game? There seems to be a real lack of belief there.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 07, 2017, 05:35:32 PM
Great wins for Abbeyleix and Borris Kilcotton.
A county final appearace is not a stretch now for Abbeyleix.

I can't find confirmation anywhere but I presume that it's C/Ballacolla v R/Errill and Camross v Ballinakill Gaels?

Relegation is hard to call- Castletown have put in two decent performances, but when is the last time they won a senior game? There seems to be a real lack of belief there.

According to Laois today it is R/E vs Ballinakill and Camross vs C/B.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 08, 2017, 10:37:23 AM
So Abbeyleix and Borris/Kilcotton into the semi finals with the winners of the games between Ballinakill, Clogh/Ballacolla, Camross and Rathdowney.

Will the semi finals be open draw or does it depend on who wins the quarters? Could St Lazarians be drawn against Camross again for example?

Looking at Abbeyleix thre must be a couple more lads that could come in to the senior set up. Reilly should definately get involved as we are light enough with scorers with injuries etc.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on August 08, 2017, 09:10:40 PM
As far as i know its R/E v C/B and Ballinakill v Camross and its an open draw for the semi finals.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 08, 2017, 09:26:12 PM
As far as i know its R/E v C/B and Ballinakill v Camross and its an open draw for the semi finals.

Surely Borris/Kilcotton & Abbeyleix will be kept apart?
You must be a happy man at how ye are shaping up?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 10, 2017, 11:43:46 AM
Looking at Abbeyleix thre must be a couple more lads that could come in to the senior set up. Reilly should definately get involved as we are light enough with scorers with injuries etc.

Do you mean the Laois set up? Would be surprised in Eoin Reilly isn't asked back in as an outfield player.

What we desperately need though is a few backs. Anyone any opinion on what backs might be able to step up next year? Lots of noise about the quality of Abbeyleix and Borris Kilcotton backs so far in the championship but are any of them good enough for inter county?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 10, 2017, 01:11:03 PM
We haven't an abundance of forwards either. The 2 Lee's made a huge difference this year in the backs but with Keenan not committing, Picky injured, PJ Scully also suffering we don't have enough. I know there were a lot of injuries and Kings sending off but we were short forwards against Dublin. Cha, Willie Dunphy out.
Someone with the goal sense that Tommy Fitz had would be great.
I agree though that if we could get a couple more backs of decent quality into the panel it would be of huge benefit as injuries there would also leave us in bother. I suppose a strengthening of the panel all round with decent quality, committed players. It will be good to see if we could have a better cut off the likes of Limerick next year in the league.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: TheGiantSquid on August 19, 2017, 06:17:17 PM
Who does everyone want to get relegated? Portlaoise or Castletown it is a win win for the neutrals and there will certainly be no love lost on the banks or between the white lines .
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 20, 2017, 10:05:38 PM
Two fair contests in Portlaoise!

Love watching Ballinakill- make great use of what they have, but it's hard to see a final coming. Jackman was so influential again from open play.

The other game was a shock for me.Ballacolla were really up for it & got it very right tactically. Dunphy I thought was brilliant. There could be life in them yet!
The winner looks like coming from Borris Kilcotton & Camross!

No surpise in the results from Mountrath earlier. I'd imagine the performance v The Harps will cement Shanahoe Gaels for a second term & a second year at Senior should be of benefit to a young Castletown team.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on August 20, 2017, 11:58:58 PM
I'd completely wrote off Clough/Ballacolla; didn't see that coming. Huge performances from Aidan Corby and Willie Hyland. I think Ronan Broderick is worth a look with Laois too.
Hard on RE to lose Mark Kavanagh, Liam O'Connell and especially Joe Fitz. Lack a little depth in their forward line and with Purcell and King relatively subdued, it left them a little short.
Referee was very hard on CB too I must add.

Camross worthy winners in the first game after weathering a decent Ballinakill revival after half-time. They'll fancy their chances against Borris/Kilcotton and will revel going in as underdogs.

Wasn't in Mountrath but sounds comprehensive. Castletown will be a threat next year.

Borris/Kilcotton standout favourites as things stand.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on August 21, 2017, 10:51:08 AM
Camross v Borris/Kilcotton has the makings of an epic encounter.

Hard to know how the Abbeyleix v Ballacolla game will go. Abbeyleix must be full of confidence after defeating Camross however Ballacolla have been there before and know what it takes. As proved over the weekend they have big game players. Hard to fathom how they turned it around after such a hiding in the last round.

On thing that's interesting from reading the reports is that the stand out names are either current or former county men which isn't always the case in the football championship
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 21, 2017, 02:51:48 PM
I'd completely wrote off Clough/Ballacolla

So had I!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on September 08, 2017, 02:13:22 PM
Any verdicts or previews of the Senior Hurling Semi Finals??
Clough Ballacolla & Borris Kilcotton final for me.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 08, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
Any verdicts or previews of the Senior Hurling Semi Finals??
Clough Ballacolla & Borris Kilcotton final for me.

I think there will be a "shock" in one of them.

Abbeyleix probably be least favoured of the four. Have lots of hurlers. I presume some of C/B's injuries are beginning to heal. If they can get over this game it'll begin to look like their mid season meltdown was well timed!
Being in semi finals on an almost annual basis has to count for something. Any new team that has come to the top in the last 30 years has had to serve their time in a few semi finals (Rathdowney Errill, Clough Ballacolla, Borris Kilcotton, Castletown, Clonaslee Gaels/Tinnahinch). I like the look of Abbeyleix, but I don't think they are anymore special than the teams above. A final is coming, but I don't think it will be 2017.
Wouldn't be shocked eitherways, but Clough Ballcolla by 6! Hyland to star.

Borris Kilcotton have been on an ominous march all year. Their scoring threat is well flagged, but I think Camross can match it.
Zane, Mark Dowling, Holmes, Andrew & Ciaran Collier, Gilmartin, Mossy Burke all usually score from play. Not to mention Dean Delaney, who I think is criminally under rated. They will have a plan and will suck the life out of the game when necessary. Gearoid Burke is the best centre back in the county, and with Damien Keenan still hurling like a chap beside him and Palmer mopping up ball inside, there is a serious platform there to supply ball.
Borris Kilcotton have enough talent to win any game, but they are surely not as good as the Clough Ballacolla result makes them look?
I'd favour Camross by 4, Ciaran Collier to star.
John Lalor has been having some fairly erratic performances this year- hopefully he is low key on Sunday.


Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 08, 2017, 06:28:04 PM
Good analysis there Keyser.

Would Gearoid Burke come back in with the county? Any particular reason why he stayed away?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 09, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
From what I know, Burke just isn't bothered. Pity. Himself and Keenan would be some addition to county team. Would make some difference to Camross this time of the year to have had the two of them there too.

On the Senior A semi finals. I'd expect that they will both be tight.

Rosenallis V Colt Gaels is interesting. Colt probably favourites, but the quality of opposition they have faced was desperate. Shanahoe were a no show, and then the Clonaslee game was atrocious by all acccounts. Rosenallis on the other hand have played the two best teams in the competition, holding their own against both. They were impressive in dismantling Mountrath in the quarters in terms of taking scores.
Semi finals are always hard won. It's not going to be a nice evening. Rosenallis know how to win games like this, there is no evidence that Colt do. If it comes down to spirit and hard work I don't think a Gaels team can match a team like Rosenallis.
Going on quality of opposition played to date and a proven ability to win games, I'll go for Rosenallis by 6 with Ronan Murray starring!

Ballyfin Gaels V The Harps is equally interesting. Ballyfin are well set up, organised and play to their strengths. Being out of the football for the last few weeks will also have been a help. The Harps simply have to win, and there is enough of a core of experienced senior hurlers right down the middle to do so. If they stand up and scrap it out, they younger fellas around the fringes are more than good enough to get the scores needed. I expect John Brophy to have a massive influence on this, and I reckon Conor Brophy and Padraig Delaney could end up with decent tallies.
The Harps to come good and win by 7.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 10, 2017, 06:14:49 PM
Two fairly one sided semi finals. Were Borris not up for the fight. Very hard to win back to back titles anymore.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 10, 2017, 06:39:00 PM
I called the Senior well! I should have left it at that!  ;D
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 10, 2017, 10:08:28 PM
Also, major repercussions for the 2018 Senior A championship- two big guns there instead of one for the first time!
Relegation from the Senior championship now becomes a major poisoned chalice!
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Post by: Dave like the tv channel on September 10, 2017, 10:39:41 PM
Who was the last senior team not to bounce back up? Not talking about the yo-yo clubs, but the established teams.
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Post by: Keyser Söze on September 10, 2017, 10:45:24 PM
Clonad I would say. They were going for a long time, but kept hanging on.

Or would you classify Mountrath as a yo-yo team? Senior for roundabout 10 years before going down (I think for 2013 when the championship went to 8 teams.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on September 10, 2017, 10:56:01 PM
I was wrong with all 4 predictions.

Rosenallis never showed up; poor individual performances from a number of their key players. Colt Gaels worthy winners; Clonad lads have given them a boost. Will go in as underdogs.

Very disappointed with Abbeyleix. Ridiculous shooting with the wind cost them scores that would have had them closer, if not ahead at half time. I did feel their win over Camross was overstated as we saw a Camross performance that day as bad as I can ever remember. CB did enough and have a steely determination about them; Willie Hyland was excellent, comfortably the best individual performance of the weekend.

The Harps were my bankers. Poor on the pitch; poor on the line. No leaders. Feel bad for them to be honest. Ballyfin Gaels full value for the win. I'd fancy them strongly in the final; very powerful and athletic side.

BK had no answer for Camross in terms of intensity and game management. Camross dictated everything and I was disappointed with BK's second half showing. A few of their marquee forwards didn't contribute enough from play.

Camross and Ballyfin Gaels look the likely favourites for me.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 10, 2017, 11:46:49 PM
Good analysis there Merman.
I think Rosenallis should really be in the final, but overall they will be happy enough with their year. Going to be a very competitive grade for the foreseeable!
I don't know where The Harps go from here. How long is it since they won a championship match of any note? 4/5 years?

What happened B/K happens to a lot of teams going for 2 in a row, having won their first. Everything seems to be going swimmingly all year and when they eventually hit a bump on the road the wheels totally fall off. That and the fact that for all of their talent they don't really have any subs! Camross had a much stronger bench. There isn't a lot coming through in the next 3/4 years to make that bench stronger either.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 11, 2017, 03:02:26 PM
I haven't seen any club hurling games this year however i will go to the final.

Have any lads that are not already on the panel shown anything that would make them worth a call? The likes of Zane and Willie Hyland aside even though they are still up there with the best but won't be back. We mentioned Eoin Reilly who would be worth a shot but is there anyone else that would add to the panel?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: steven seagal on September 11, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
Reilly is working out in Abu Dhabi now, so I doubt he'll be involved. Of the lads not currently there, Gearoid Burke would be the biggest addition, but he doesn't seem to have the interest. Saw Rathdowney-Errill a couple of times and thought James Ryan did alright, might be worth a call up.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on September 11, 2017, 05:12:12 PM
maybe Liam Delaney Abbeyleix could be a future prospect.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 11, 2017, 06:10:31 PM
Was he minor last year?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on September 11, 2017, 06:29:35 PM
not 100% sure about last year but he was the year before.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on September 12, 2017, 07:46:43 AM
Delaney was a minor 2 years ago. Was with the 21s last year.
Definitely worth a look.

With 2 Gaels teams in the Senior A Final, where does that leave us with who goes forward to Leinster?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 12, 2017, 08:05:19 AM
With 2 Gaels teams in the Senior A Final, where does that leave us with who goes forward to Leinster?
A play off between The Harps and Rosenallis I'd presume.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 12, 2017, 09:26:31 AM
Presuming they both want to play in the competition!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 12, 2017, 09:56:03 AM
Presuming they both want to play in the competition!
The prize is not playing in it. Loser goes forward for their sins.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on September 21, 2017, 02:30:09 PM
I'm going to give Camross and Ballyfin Gaels hesitant nods for this weekend.

Camross really should beat CB. They have the cohesion and strength to grind teams down and I don't see them conceding more than 12-15 scores. Their forwards haven't exactly clicked this year in the championship but the hope is that if even 2/3 can contribute a little extra then Keenan will provide the rest. I'd also expect Dwane Palmer to start at full-forward and he's had reward there before in big games. The only fear I would have for Camross is the weight of expectation; nothing short of a Championship would have been deemed acceptable from the minute they started out this year. They've claimed Palmer and Brady Cups but they will count for nothing should they be denied on Sunday.
For CB, they deserve credit for resurrecting their year. I'd give them a chance as they have the experience and quality that demands respect. The concern is what will happen if Camross shackle Hyland and impose their game onto the CB forwards and midfield. If CB can hurl their game, can play to their strengths and if their forwards deliver, then they might just pull through. Their return of 3 titles in the last 8 years is a decent return; 4 in 9 would be huge, I'd imagine this would be the sweetest after the way they were wrote off by many this year, myself included.

Ultimately, I feel the loss of Picky is huge; perhaps insurmountable. I think Camross have that bit between their teeth and there is a steely focus about them all year, even up to this media-ban.
I don't think it will be a shootout like last year's Final and I'm siding with Camross to complete the treble.
CB 0.12 - 0.16 Camross

Ballyfin Gaels sauntered through Div 2 of the league and will be buoyed by the Mountmellick lads who have had a great year themselves. They are athletic and powerful and Fintan Deegan has proved himself an astute coach. I like Finn at centre-back and the likes of Eanna Lyons, Gareth Dunphy and George Lanham should all register from play.
For Colt Gaels, they've been boosted by the Clonad lads and having Garoid Parkinson fully involved this year has re-energised their midfield. Colt performed well on their own in Div 1B and they'll be quietly confident that they have come in nicely under the radar here. The farce of Clonad hurling less than 24 hours earlier will do them no favours, however, and I don't know if they'll be able to hold the Ballyfin forwards.

I'm going to give Ballyfin Gaels the edge here; 2.12 - 1.10

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2017, 10:59:03 PM
Ok, big day of hurling tomorrow. In both games, all known form and results to date point to an obvious winner. Will it pan out that way?

Senior Final
Camross are what they are, a combination that adds up to more than the sum of their parts is the general consensus. But that would not be giving them the credit they deserve. From 1-15, and beyond, they have hurlers. Most of them laden down with medals from underage right up to Senior. All of them can hurl. All of them work hard and all of them always seem to know what is expected of them each time they are on the ball. They are the best prepared club team I have ever seen in Laois.
It is the small things. Watch their defence tomorrow. 2 of them are expected to use physicality and mop up ball, before handing it off, another two are expected to hurl slightly loose, trusted to read the game and act as outlets for the two above. Gearoid Burke commands the centre and performs all sorts of roles. Joe Phelan is almost a "utility player" and will hurl at corner back, full back and possibly wing back tomorrow.
There is no luck attached to the wins they have had over the past 5 years. They are ferocious, and more importantly, methodical.
They deserve the breaks they get.
Both midfielders were excellent the last day. Again, playing to a very defined role. One whose job it was to win possession, carry through tackles and lay it off. The other played a "trequartista" role- "do as you please, but do it well!". That man needs no introduction.
They have a scoring threat as I outlined before the semi final (scroll up!). Palmer is a "new" addition to this scoring threat. Lively and skillful. Takes serious watching.

Clough Ballacolla are a bit of an enigma. No team that loses by 21 points mid season should get within an asses roar of a county final, let alone win one. Never mind a team who manages to lose twice by that margin. They should be a write off. They were always going to hurl well against Rathdowney Errill, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get the credit they deserve for doing so.
They were always going to beat Abbeyleix, but again they went and did it.
I would have concerns over the mobility of 2 of their starting 6 backs and also another they may need to bring on in defence. From midfield up mobility isn't an issue. What Hanlon and Coonan no longer have in speed they cover for with cleverness.
I think Tom Delaney should be on the half back line. This would make Clough Ballacolla a much stronger unit as far as I am concerned.
The two losses will act as serious motivators for Clough Ballacolla, as will the sight of the finish line looming in the horizon for many that take the field tomorrow- There are 5/6 guys starting tomorrow who you would be hard pressed to GUARANTEE another final appearance to (by my reckoning only Damien Keenan fits that bill for Camross). The aforementioned mobility at the back could be exposed tomorrow.
Midfield will hold their own.
Up front Ballacolla have scorers. I tipped Ballacolla to win in 2015 (here or on laoistalk) because of their greater spread of potential scorers. They don't necessarily have an advantage over Camross in this department anymore, but they still have scorers.
Like the semi final I can see Hyland delivering big time tomorrow. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. The brief sojourn at centre back may have inadvertently helped strum up a freshness and desire for hurling on the half forward line. Him keeping Gearoid Burke busy could open up gaps elsewhere for tap over points. Burke does a huge amount of covering across the back line.

Doran v Hanlon
Phelan, Phelan & Burke v Delaney, Maher & Doyle
McEvoy, Cleere & Broderick v Keenan, Dooley & Burke
Keenan & Duggan v Delaney & Corby.
Collier, Collier & Delaney v Hyland, Phelan & Coonan
Palmer, Dowling & Holmes v Dunphy, Bergin & Hanlon

It should be Camross. But when you look at the possible lines above. Neither team stands out as particularly superior to the other.
It may come down to decisions made on the line.
When I look at Camross on the line I see decisiveness, aggression and methodical planning. A dictatorship at times too!
When I look at Clough Ballacolla I don't see the above. There is often an air of "too many chiefs......".

There is another aspect to this. The idea that "Camross always hurl in finals". Not true. They were terrible in '14, not hectic in '15 and even when they won in '13, Borris Kilcotton froze on the day. I am not buying that "Camross hurl in finals". I also don't agree with Merman's comment above that nothing short of a championship win would have been deemed acceptable out of this year. They are not that outstanding. I don't believe Camross people think they are either.

I am finding it tough to call this. I think Clough Ballacolla will take it right to the wire. Will they cross the line?
To contradict alot of what I said above, yes, I think they will. Clough Ballacolla to take it by about 5 points in a mild surprise.

SENIOR 'A' FINAL
I am not going to go into the detail I did above, but Ballyfin Gaels are favourites, and will win this as far as I am concerned. They are a year and a half on the go and have performed in every single championship match they have played. That has included games vs The Harps, Rosenallis and Castletown. Despite how the semi final result panned out, I rate all three of those above Colt Gaels.
Ballyfin were very close to winning this final last year. To come back this year and beat a team like The Harps in such a methodical way in the semi final is testament to both their ability and to the clever way they set up. They will play a sweeper, two if you want them to. They will soak up pressure and carry the ball out.
Finn, Hartnett, Lowry, Bermingham, Dunphy and Lyons will all score form play. Colt Gaels won't match this.

U17 Final
Three points of importance here.
1) Castletown Slieve Bloom have a large number of the team that lost to Camross in the minor final available to play at this age grade.
2) Underage hurling in Camross will have received a huge boost with the minor win. The lads that played in that final will be full of confidence tomorrow.
3) Camross "Gaels" must be a huge area to pick from? Difficult to know how much stronger Mountmellick, Ballyfin and Emo will make them.
A bit of a shot in the dark, but I will go with Castletown Slieve Bloom to be hurt enough from the minor final to take a win here.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 24, 2017, 09:01:57 AM
Camross carry on with the same shit, the inbred bullshite that only they believe in, the 'dark arts' of abuse & stopping free flowing hurling, abuse people on the line & from behind the goal, get ahead & then stop the game every chance you get, led by an old school leader on the line that they believe in,  BK fell for it, Clough Ballacolla won't, I'm no Clough Ballacolla fan but for Laois hurling we should be damning those Camross antics & hoping hurling wins out, Clough Ballacolla havegeexperience & quality

Rule 101- Don't post when drunk!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on September 24, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
a couple of hours to the action and the signs are for a dry afternoon.

I think the senior b will be a very tight affair and it could come down to the better conversion rate from frees.  Personally I am against "gales amalgams" functioning outside the highest club grade, and todays final is a slap in the face for those single entity clubs operating at "b" level.  Ballyfin to scrape it.


The 2016 A championship was a vintage version with a memorable drawn final.  I think the standard of fare in 2017 has taken a mighty dip and the two relatively lifeless semi finals continued a low standard championship.  Not one team at Senior A level has an unbeaten record in the championship. If you were to delete the Camross-Abbeyleix game from memory, then the black and amber would be strong favourites, that defeat hinted that as others say they are a functioning sum of the parts.
Clough Ballacolla needed to peak to beat Rathdowney and they went through the motions against Abbeyleix once they started strongly against the breeze, the second half of that game was almost like a tame challenge game. I do fear the legs may be gone on some of the C/B veterans, today may tell.

My overall read on Camross is that they are akin to Tyrone in football...very functional, programmed and a cornerstone of their game plan is to establish a lead and thereafter control the game...........if they lead early I suspect they will win in a workmanlike fashion, similar to the Borris semi.

The fly in the ointment would be C/B flying out of the traps and getting a lead, then just as we saw with Camross v Abbeyleix(or Dublin-Tyrone), the "program" then stutters, and C/B could well hold on.
Whoever  is in front by 2 or 3 points in the first 15 minutes is likely to win....could we have another draw in 2017?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 24, 2017, 10:08:47 PM
Congrats to Camross. They beat Rathdowney Errill, B/K and C/B in the same year and ground it out today. Were out of the game for long periods and very wasteful but overall were the best team in 2017. 4 champions in as many years. Can't be bad for Laois hurling especially given that Abbeyleix and Castletown are improving. Standard was pretty poor today and both teams played much more poorly than they are capable of. Exciting finish though. Zane stood up in the end when it mattered after a poor game by his standards.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 25, 2017, 12:13:19 AM
Now that they're champions maybe they'll do a bit more for the county.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 25, 2017, 09:31:52 AM
Congrats to Camross. They beat Rathdowney Errill, B/K and C/B in the same year and ground it out today. Were out of the game for long periods and very wasteful but overall were the best team in 2017. 4 champions in as many years. Can't be bad for Laois hurling especially given that Abbeyleix and Castletown are improving. Standard was pretty poor today and both teams played much more poorly than they are capable of. Exciting finish though. Zane stood up in the end when it mattered after a poor game by his standards.

I would think quite the opposite that 4 champions in as many years, implies that there is no outstanding team.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 25, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Maybe, maybe not...
While it may not have been the best final ever, it was pure gold compared to what went before. Ballyfin had it won, but completely went to sleep in the second half. Both sides were overly reliant on frees and both missed gaping goal chances. God knows how Ballyfin will make the step up to senior proper, but good luck to them.
In a way, the it seemed like the better team lost the senior. However, Camross had the better spread of scorers, and got the goals at the right time, and for more than that you can't ask. Hope they do well in Leinster, though it seems a long way away.
Thought Stapleton was very fussy in the first half, but for a time in the second let practically everything go! But it was enjoyable, overall.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on September 25, 2017, 10:01:30 AM
Some achievement for Ballyfin to be senior in both codes is their any other team bar Portlaoise that has done this?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 25, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
Hyland aside, the CB forwards only scored 1-01 between them and that's not going to win you a title.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: SCFC on September 25, 2017, 10:54:43 AM
Some achievement for Ballyfin to be senior in both codes is their any other team bar Portlaoise that has done this?
The Harps years ago. Possibly Clonaslee too.
Park/Ratheniska?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: town1980 on September 25, 2017, 11:56:52 AM
i enjoyed the hurling yesterday,how willie hyland didnt get MOM is actually beyond me ,15 points i think he got pure madness,can some one ask me why people were stopped from going to the terrace??well donr to both sides i would have loved a draw not as exciting as last year and ballacolla will be raging  with there first half display it cost them in the end,well donr both teams
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on September 25, 2017, 04:01:19 PM
Clough/Ballacolla seem to think they were done out of a certain point in the first half. A big call if true seeing that they were only beaten by a point.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 25, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
i enjoyed the hurling yesterday,how willie hyland didnt get MOM is actually beyond me ,15 points i think he got pure madness,can some one ask me why people were stopped from going to the terrace??well donr to both sides i would have loved a draw not as exciting as last year and ballacolla will be raging  with there first half display it cost them in the end,well donr both teams

P*ss off with your irrelevant and gibberish opinions back to the football board. Hard enough to listen to you over there without you thinking you know something about hurling too and ruining this board as you have with the football one.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 25, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
Congrats to Camross. They beat Rathdowney Errill, B/K and C/B in the same year and ground it out today. Were out of the game for long periods and very wasteful but overall were the best team in 2017. 4 champions in as many years. Can't be bad for Laois hurling especially given that Abbeyleix and Castletown are improving. Standard was pretty poor today and both teams played much more poorly than they are capable of. Exciting finish though. Zane stood up in the end when it mattered after a poor game by his standards.

I would think quite the opposite that 4 champions in as many years, implies that there is no outstanding team.

Ridiculous suggestion. Having 4+ teams capable of winning drives the standard up. You mean it would be better if it was like the football championship?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 25, 2017, 05:48:38 PM
Congrats to Camross. They beat Rathdowney Errill, B/K and C/B in the same year and ground it out today. Were out of the game for long periods and very wasteful but overall were the best team in 2017. 4 champions in as many years. Can't be bad for Laois hurling especially given that Abbeyleix and Castletown are improving. Standard was pretty poor today and both teams played much more poorly than they are capable of. Exciting finish though. Zane stood up in the end when it mattered after a poor game by his standards.


I would think quite the opposite that 4 champions in as many years, implies that there is no outstanding team.

Ridiculous suggestion. Having 4+ teams capable of winning drives the standard up. You mean it would be better if it was like the football championship?

My own opinion is quite the opposite I believe  in the vast majority of cases the more competitive the championship, the more likely it's weak.  That's not to say, the Hurling is more interesting and better entertainment as the crowd yesterday definitely attained to.   The football of course is not as watchable and is more predictable but competitive does not mean higher standards.

Yesterday's Crowd was huge so people enjoy it
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: on the hop on September 25, 2017, 07:31:45 PM
It was a poor game yesterday, there was a great crowd but wasn't much atmosphere. The early goals knocked ballacolla back but Hyland the only decent forward dragged them back into it. Cam Ross made s late burst to win it but ballacolla probably feel if they had hurled at all they would have won it.

On the county front there was nothing new on show
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: town1980 on September 25, 2017, 10:43:59 PM
Blueandwhite1 your a bit of an eejit are you??
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 26, 2017, 02:35:41 PM
Blueandwhite1 your a bit of an eejit are you??

I won't engage further with you, gave up doing it on the football forum a long time ago as I decided there were better things to do with my time than react to your puerile jibes.

And it's 'you're', not 'your'.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 26, 2017, 08:06:38 PM
Everyone entitled to an opinion.

Camross not getting the credit they deserve, again!

They know how to win, they know what they have to do, and they execute. Couple of slices of luck along the way but scoring two early goals was exactly how they want to play.
Clough Ballacolla fought manfully and squandered 2-3 really good goal chances. Had the goal came even 5/6 minutes earlier they'd have won the match. I don't know how many county finals are left in Ballacolla. They had no real impact off the bench and to be honest they are going to have to wait 3-4 years to get new blood of the quality they need. There will be big holes in the team by that stage, but all small clubs go through these cycles.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 26, 2017, 08:37:40 PM
Great championship right through. Some great games. Ballacolla will be disappointed but after their start to the year they should be proud of Sundays effort. Camross were simply the best team in all Senior competitions this year.
They were also probably the only team in it with a bench strong enough to make a difference.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 27, 2017, 12:17:02 PM
Some great long distance point scoring in the game.

Will Camross give Leinster a go? They have enough quality to do so.

Definately a couple of players on that team that would boost the county team if they gave the committment.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 27, 2017, 01:17:15 PM
Some great long distance point scoring in the game.

Will Camross give Leinster a go? They have enough quality to do so.

Definately a couple of players on that team that would boost the county team if they gave the committment.

you'd hope so,they play carlow champions first, then winners of OY v WH for a place in the leinster final.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 27, 2017, 02:47:38 PM
That's a very decent draw with the Dublin, KK and Wex winners on the other side. LAois clubs have really not made any impression on the club championship in recent years. Hopefully Camross get back training and give it a go. Some incentive with that draw in fairness.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 27, 2017, 04:59:26 PM
That's a very decent draw with the Dublin, KK and Wex winners on the other side. LAois clubs have really not made any impression on the club championship in recent years. Hopefully Camross get back training and give it a go. Some incentive with that draw in fairness.

in fairness to B/K last year,they gave Cuala more of a game than a lot of the opposition on their march to an All Ireland.

Camross should be aiming for a leinster final appearence.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 27, 2017, 06:34:46 PM
Sure, we said the same thing 'bout the u21s this year, and look what happened there. Camross could easily be beaten by the Carlow champions.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 27, 2017, 08:28:12 PM
Sure, we said the same thing 'bout the u21s this year, and look what happened there. Camross could easily be beaten by the Carlow champions.
Carlow had a team in an All Ireland final only a few short years ago, Camross, and everyone else would do well to remember that.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on September 27, 2017, 10:19:42 PM
Sure, we said the same thing 'bout the u21s this year, and look what happened there. Camross could easily be beaten by the Carlow champions.
Carlow had a team in an All Ireland final only a few short years ago, Camross, and everyone else would do well to remember that.

That's the great thing about the club hurling all ireland right there,a counties relative strength or weakness  often has little bearing
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 29, 2017, 12:55:22 PM
Antrim are testament to that.

Last Leinster won by a Laois team was Camross in 1996.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 30, 2017, 06:55:01 PM
R/E and Trumera in intermediate final. I'd imagine R/E will win it.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 08, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
How wrong I was!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: SCFC on October 08, 2017, 07:43:27 PM
Nothing against Rathdowney Errill but great to see Trumera and Ballypickas winning championships today.
Two very small clubs fighting for their very existence. Delighted for them both.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on July 03, 2018, 11:10:47 PM
I assume that if R/E win the Div 1A final, then Portlaoise won't be relegated, despite the pasting they got off Castletown?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on July 04, 2018, 10:14:39 AM
I assume that if R/E win the Div 1A final, then Portlaoise won't be relegated, despite the pasting they got off Castletown?

They should be!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on July 04, 2018, 03:06:32 PM
I believe Rosenallis get promoted regardless of result of Div 1 final
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on August 13, 2018, 08:32:55 PM
Going into the last round anyone have predictions for the various championships? Ballacolla will surely be going all out against Camross as a win for them and rathdowney will knock camross out, who would be the most dangerous of animals in the backdoor.

Senior A hard to see past the harps and rosenallis, clonaslee i dont feel have enough, colt seem go have gone back a bit losing kavanagh and parkinson also seemed very unfit against shanahoe who to be fair have added lads onto the team this year, can see them making a semi final. Portlaoise seem in freefall

Intermediate hard to imagine that rathdowney are in the relegation final, Ratheniska/Timahoe also being there is a surprise especially losing to ballypickas, bit of a disaster really. Would like to see Slieve Bloom win it and think they will get to a final against borris, the 2 conroys on a different level from other forwards at this grade, alot will depend if borris lose lads, seem strong.

Junior A reckon Mountmellick will win it and complete back to back championships
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on August 14, 2018, 01:25:14 AM
i think you have your finger on the pulse b/abbey concerning the various grades.

overall the standard is dropping at an alarming rate and that is a major worry.

at senior the 2 weekend games camross/c-ballacolla and Castletown/rathdowney-e could prove pivotal in the championship. if camross and rathdowney win and survive they may end up the finalists. no one could call a winner at senior a level at this moment.  I do think abbeyleix will beat ballyfin in the key basement game this weekend.

at senior b, the story is the pathetic state of hurling in portlaoise. clonaslee may light work of them the last day. the championship structure will still give the town a quarter final berth if they overcome trumera, but no one would fancy them to win this title on the two efforts to date. the harps are the ones to beat, though rosenallis or clonaslee could pose them problems.

in the intermediate I believe the final will feature a repeat of the round 1 match up between clonad and slieve bloom, if they are kept apart in the semi final draw, and as you say B/abbey Conroy is head and shoulders above all others in this grade and will be the difference.

at Junior A I make it tight to call between Mountmellick and Castletown.
Perhaps Kyle could lift the B title at the expense of Camross.

the lack of debate on club hurling on this board, as compared to club football is a fair reflection on the general apathy within the county for the discipline which is a shame.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: independent on August 14, 2018, 07:31:04 PM
I do think abbeyleix will beat ballyfin in the key basement game this weekend.

Agreed based on a couple of Saturdays ago.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 20, 2018, 01:48:21 PM
This new format has taken a lot of edge out of the matches early in the championship. The Camross and C/Ballacolla matches and Rathdowney-Errill vs Castletown matches were very one sided. Castletown were unlikely to have troubled a full strength R/E team in fairness to where they are in their development but C/B didn't hurl knowing that they were safe once Camross got into the game. I think that the 6 teams remaining will be at a different level come September. The relegation match could go either way but Castletown would probably be favourites for the drop given their last two hammerings.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on August 22, 2018, 11:29:00 PM
C/Ballacolla lay down when the went behind but I'm sure they will have  plenty left in them for B/K and will be a different animal next day.
R/E looked impressive .
Camross and Ballinakill will be happy to be in the semi finals but if the last few years are anything to go by the 5 week break was very detrimental as whoever the meet will be fired up with extra match under their belt.
All to play for yet.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on August 27, 2018, 10:05:16 PM
I agree group format seemed to lack any real edge to the games.
Camross improving all the time, look the team to beat.
Rathdowney Errill I would think will get through to final defeating Abbeyleix & Ballinakill
Borris Kilcotton poor all through so far, Clough Ballacolla will probably account for them & face off again with Camross, maybe give a bigger better performance
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on August 28, 2018, 09:50:25 AM
Good to see you back Ogie.

If RE and CB both win; I believe I'm right in saying there would be a draw for the semi-finals.

I think it's a moot point anyway; can't see CB living with the BK forwards.
RE should account for an Eoin Reilly-less Abbeyleix with a bit to spare.

I agree the new format has removed some of the edge. It'll be an interesting decision for the clubs and Conty board; round robins are proving very popular at national level; should we buck the trend and revert back?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on August 28, 2018, 10:34:44 AM
Borris might just have a say yet I wouldn't rule them out.

Ballyfin for the chop...

Ballinakill could suprise R/Erill!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on August 28, 2018, 10:47:11 AM
there will be no extra draw for the semi finals.....the path is already decided, ie....winners Gp A play the winners of the tie involving 3rd Gp A and 2nd Gp B, in one semi and winners Gp B play the winners of 3rd Gp B and 2nd Gp A in the other one.

Hence the draw is Camross V Borris/C Ballacolla, and Ballinakill v Abbeyleix/Rathd Errill.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: steven seagal on August 28, 2018, 02:46:43 PM
Quote
there will be no extra draw for the semi finals.....the path is already decided, ie....winners Gp A play the winners of the tie involving 3rd Gp A and 2nd Gp B, in one semi and winners Gp B play the winners of 3rd Gp B and 2nd Gp A in the other one.

Hence the draw is Camross V Borris/C Ballacolla, and Ballinakill v Abbeyleix/Rathd Errill.


That's not the case at all, the path isn't decided, seeding applies in the semi-final draw. If Clough-Ballacolla and Rathdowney-Errill win then it goes to an open draw, and likewise if Abbeyleix and Borris-Kilcotton win. If one team from each group wins in the quarter-final, RE and BK for example, then it is predetermined, because the seeding means RE can't play Camross again, and BK can't play Ballinakill.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on August 29, 2018, 01:16:53 PM
I stand corrected if that is the case steven....no doubt rathdowney will be silently hoping borris turn over cb.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on September 08, 2018, 11:51:04 AM
Expecting wins for RE and BK tomorrow.
RE look to be hitting form at the right time and could well be best-placed to overturn Camross. Can't see Abbeyleix getting within 10.
Rumour is that Neil Foyle is out for BK; not sure if that's true but as dangerous as Foyle is, it probably means moving even more pace into the BK full-forward line. If they get in for a goal or two early they could run riot again. If it's close with 10 to go, I could sway towards CB but I've a sneaky feeling this one could be put to bed early. BK by 9.

Senior A: As poor as they've been, one would have to expect Portlaoise to beat Shanahoe Gaels. They'll have Flanagan and Geaney back from the states so they might just have too much. Portlaoise by 6.
Colt Gaels aren't up to a whole lot; amalgamation hasn't progressed and training isn't going well. Rosenallis will have too much. Rosenallis by 7.

Intermediate: If CB can stop Ben Conroy, they have a chance. Young Conway could be crucial for them. CB might just edge this even though I backed Slieve Bloom at the start of the championship. CB by 3.
BK should have too much for a Camross side who have lost a good few to their senior team. They've good firepower up front. BK by 11.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 08, 2018, 01:28:31 PM
Good assessment. I think, in the intermediate, CB will be too fast for Slieve Bloom, and if they do win, they ought to win the final, too. They benefit a lot from, presumably, training with the seniors. Colt are having a bad year, and I think they'll slide a bit over the next few, too.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on September 09, 2018, 02:39:24 PM
Portlaoise got out of jail big time last night against shanahoe who missed several chances near the end along with a few very questionable ref decisions against them. Cant see portlaoise going much further. Rosenallis had way too much pace and skill for a poor looking colt outfit, second half was a massacure.

Surprised to see camross in the intermediate final considering they struggled to get past ballypickas and ratheniska/timahoe. Cant see them making up a 13 point gap on a slieve bloom team with a good defence and 2 extremely dangerous forwards. Good to see Slieve Bloom and Mountmellick in the finals and Kyle win the junior B too, always back the first teams
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on September 09, 2018, 07:45:29 PM
Expecting wins for RE and BK tomorrow.
RE look to be hitting form at the right time and could well be best-placed to overturn Camross. Can't see Abbeyleix getting within 10.
Rumour is that Neil Foyle is out for BK; not sure if that's true but as dangerous as Foyle is, it probably means moving even more pace into the BK full-forward line. If they get in for a goal or two early they could run riot again. If it's close with 10 to go, I could sway towards CB but I've a sneaky feeling this one could be put to bed early. BK by 9.

Senior A: As poor as they've been, one would have to expect Portlaoise to beat Shanahoe Gaels. They'll have Flanagan and Geaney back from the states so they might just have too much. Portlaoise by 6.
Colt Gaels aren't up to a whole lot; amalgamation hasn't progressed and training isn't going well. Rosenallis will have too much. Rosenallis by 7.

Intermediate: If CB can stop Ben Conroy, they have a chance. Young Conway could be crucial for them. CB might just edge this even though I backed Slieve Bloom at the start of the championship. CB by 3.
BK should have too much for a Camross side who have lost a good few to their senior team. They've good firepower up front. BK by 11.

Merman, you were flying with your predictions until you got to intermediate!

The first game in O’Moore Park went the way many expected but the second was a surprise. It wasn’t that CB were beaten but that BK look every bit as good as when they won the title a couple of years ago. If they continue that form I fancy them to make another final. Pace and accuracy was impressive. Would be great to get Joe Campion and Aaron Dunphy back with the county.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on September 10, 2018, 02:29:55 PM
I wasn't in O'Moore Park yesterday and I take no joy in seeing such hammerings.
I think Abbeyleix and CB are in a fair degree of trouble over the next couple of years.
CB look an aging team and I'm not sure they have enough coming through to replacethe likes of Coonan, Hanlon and McEvoy. They've had a hell of a decade but I don't know if they'll be genuine contenders any more. Paul Cuddy looked a shrewd appointment but it doesn't seem to have worked out.

Abbeyleix have a few good, young hurlers but I fear that there is a swing towards football at underage level. A lot of their best prospects are dual players and I just wonder will they end up prioritising football with a Ballyroan Abbey team who are seen as potential challengers to Portlaoise over the next decade. They have some good hurlers but have become very easy to play against and avoiding relegation will likely be the height of their ambition next year.

The Senior A semi-finals were poor fare.
Portlaoise got out of jail and had Shanahoe Gaels finished a fraction of their chances; they'd have stunned them. They needed more from Leigh Bergin too I felt.
Cahir Healy went off with a nasty head injury; I hope he's ok.

Rosenallis were so far ahead of Colt Gaels, it was actually uncomfortable to watch. That Gaels amalgamation looks dead to me; I don't see how it's benefiting either side.
I think Rosenallis will give The Harps a decent game but I just don't think they have the defenders to hold them for 60.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The PRO on September 10, 2018, 03:13:04 PM
I wasn't in O'Moore Park yesterday and I take no joy in seeing such hammerings.
I think Abbeyleix and CB are in a fair degree of trouble over the next couple of years.
CB look an aging team and I'm not sure they have enough coming through to replacethe likes of Coonan, Hanlon and McEvoy. They've had a hell of a decade but I don't know if they'll be genuine contenders any more. Paul Cuddy looked a shrewd appointment but it doesn't seem to have worked out.

Abbeyleix have a few good, young hurlers but I fear that there is a swing towards football at underage level. A lot of their best prospects are dual players and I just wonder will they end up prioritising football with a Ballyroan Abbey team who are seen as potential challengers to Portlaoise over the next decade. They have some good hurlers but have become very easy to play against and avoiding relegation will likely be the height of their ambition next year.

The Senior A semi-finals were poor fare.
Portlaoise got out of jail and had Shanahoe Gaels finished a fraction of their chances; they'd have stunned them. They needed more from Leigh Bergin too I felt.
Cahir Healy went off with a nasty head injury; I hope he's ok.

Rosenallis were so far ahead of Colt Gaels, it was actually uncomfortable to watch. That Gaels amalgamation looks dead to me; I don't see how it's benefiting either side.
I think Rosenallis will give The Harps a decent game but I just don't think they have the defenders to hold them for 60.
How do you see Portlaoise doing against Clonaslee?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on September 10, 2018, 03:35:55 PM
I haven't seen much of Clonaslee this year. It should be a close game; if I had to call it...maybe...Portlaoise might just edge it but that's more based off guesswork than any kind of form I'd have seen from them.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on September 22, 2018, 08:57:51 PM
Thoughts on tomorrow’s games Merman & others??
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on September 22, 2018, 11:33:07 PM
RE and BK for me.

Can't see how Ballinakill will handle the RE forward line. They're going to hit at least 18 scores and unless Ballinakill hit 3 goals then I can't see them causing an upset.
RE by 7.

The second game could be an absolute belter.
Both have mixed the poor with the sublime this year but I just feel BK may carry a better spread of scorers.
BK by 4.


Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on September 23, 2018, 04:54:59 AM
On paper it would appear to be a straight forward win for RE, but Ballinakill have managed in the past to pull big performances out of the bag. Our county hurlers are coming back into form again and Ray Bowe has been excellent since breaking into the team so I would hope to see us get through. Winning the final would be a whole different ball game as who ever wins the second game will probably be favourites for the title.
Again on paper BK look the better team, but Camross always seem to be better than the sum of their parts. Camross were very physical and focussed in the group match against us, but lacked the same intensity against CB. I tip Camross to win on a tight margin.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on September 23, 2018, 01:36:12 PM
Great to see Slieve Bloom win last night, best thing that ever happened to that club was going in with castletown for a few years. Felt that the 2 conroys were held quite well during the game bar the last 5 when ben got 1-2 but that was only after they took the lead and camross legs seemed to go. In fairness to camross they looked the slicker team for the majority while slive bloom seemed nervy, the red card probably cost them near the end of the game.
Also well done to mountmellick and chris harnett in particular, seems to be a very shruwed and capable manager, 2 championships in 2 years is very impressive regardless of the levels

Slieve Blooms win will have a knock on implacation for castletown now too as the gaels arrangement will not be let continue, and without conroy its fair to say they would be doing well to stay senior.

As for today while rathdowney would have the better team ballinakill do have the best player and best manager left in the championship so it'll be closer than many think, certainly no 26/27 point win, but rathdowneys overall quality should prevail.

The 2nd match between borris and camross i feel borris have better players but camross are proven winners and i feel will win here
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on September 23, 2018, 01:51:07 PM
Congratulations to Slieve Bloom a great achievement, love to see them do well in the senior A championship next year.
Chris Hartnett doing great work with Mountmellick, they will be a force in the intermediate championship next year.
Portlaoise or The Harps will struggle in the senior championship next year very hard to compete at that level without an amalgamation. R/E, C/B, B/K. I know the harps are an amalgamation and Portlaoise should be a much stronger outfit with the numbers they have, but hurling is the poor relation in Portlaoise. Ballyfin , Clonaslee, Rosenallis are at their level and on their own would be way off the mark at senior.
Maybe it would be worth a look at a regional team championship on the lines that is proposed for the football
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on September 23, 2018, 05:28:56 PM
RE and BK for me.

Can't see how Ballinakill will handle the RE forward line. They're going to hit at least 18 scores and unless Ballinakill hit 3 goals then I can't see them causing an upset.
RE by 7.

The second game could be an absolute belter.
Both have mixed the poor with the sublime this year but I just feel BK may carry a better spread of scorers.
BK by 4.

I've got to stop underestimating Camross. Exceptional champions!!!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 23, 2018, 05:31:16 PM
Rover - Clough/ Ballacolla is hardly an amalgamation, is it?

R/E didn't look too wonderful getting over Ballinakill, and it was only their somewhat lucky goal that turned the game in the second half.
Camross will probably be favourites in the final: dogged B/K out of, but they have a nice blend of hefty whores and a few good skilful hurlers. Didn't let Borris hurl, and R/E will have to really want it physically to prevail.

Wonder would Eddie Brennan get Joe Campion and Ciaran Collier back for Leix? I'd say getting Zane would be asking too much, but his point from a sideline cut in the first half was something else!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on September 23, 2018, 10:18:44 PM
take your point on C/B.
I am just wondering if their is any way that club hurling could become more competitive and less predictable in the hope that Laois could develop into a more competitive county and at least win the McDonagh cup.
it is not easy to get commitment from players that can see no light at the end of the tunnel. I think it would be worth considering a league based on regional teams with a view to select a county panel.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on September 24, 2018, 09:17:53 AM
It's many years since a team retained the county senior championship, and that would indicate a fairly competitive championship. Sure, there's only a few teams that could realistically win it, but that's the same in most sports. Indeed, there's an argument that says the county set-up might be better if there was one really strong club dominating the club scene, and which provided the backbone of the county team!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on September 24, 2018, 09:56:15 AM
Fair play to Mountmellick, two promotions and up to Intermediate. Only right for a town of their size, but at least they've pulled the f**king finger out.

Special mention for Slieve Bloom, great to see them get their moment in the spotlight as well. Hope it meant a lot to the Conroys and proof of the worthiness of winning one with your own rather than taking the nuclear option.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on September 24, 2018, 10:47:17 AM
Success brings interest and attracts more people so hopefully they can continue upwards. Added to that they'll get the bonus of a run in Leinster. Pity the manager is stepping down.

Great to see a small club winning it's what the GAA is all about.

Camross must be favourites for the senior and will they be the first to win back to back since Castletown. Eddie Brennan will be doing well to get a few more into the county set up.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on September 24, 2018, 07:42:15 PM
Great crowd at the 2 games yesterday.
First match hadn't much excitement. Ballinakill tactics and work rate really kept R/E quiet. A slightly lucky goal changed the direction of the match and Ballinakill didn't have the firepower to respond.
B/k were very poor in the second match. Most of their big players didn't turn up but Matthew Whelan and Joe Campion were excellent. Camross had strong performances all over the field and the also have a very strong bench.
Camross will probably be slight favourites in the final but this R/E team has a lot more to give so should be close.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 04, 2018, 11:33:33 AM
2 big senior finals on Sunday. What's the verdict? Both matches should be tight enough.

In the first match, both teams seem about on a par but if Portlaoise are without Aaron Bergin it should favour The Harps.

The second should be a great game. If Camross are given a head start again as they were against BK in the semi and RE in the group stages they will be hard stopped. If RE hurl from the start I can see them winning. From memory, it is quite a while since Camross have beaten RE in a knockout game and RE won't want to lose 2 finals in 3 years so it should be hell for leather. Camross should be rightfully favourites since they had to beat much better opposition to get to the final. As they lost their first group match they have essentially won 3 knock out matches in a row against CB, BK and RE. Still, RE have classy hurlers all over and when they are on song are probably the strongest team in the county.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 06, 2018, 08:38:00 PM
I haven't seen any minor hurling this year but I like what I'm hearing about The Harps underage structures so I'll take them to beat CB-Mountrath in the opener tomorrow.
Pure guess mind.

I'm convinced the second game will see the Senior A Championship heading back to Durrow/Cullohill tomorrow. I don't think Portlaoise have enough firepower, especially without Aaron Bergin.
The Harps should be solid defensively and the likes of John Brophy, Michael Lanigan, Ciaran Comerford and the hugely impressive Eoin Clancy should see them through.
Fintan Deegan is looking to put together back-to-back Senior A Championship and I can see him guiding The Harps to another good year in 2019. I think he could be an interesting Laois minor manager in 2020 when our current U15s are at minor grade.
Harps by 6.

I've gone back and forth on the second game. I've seen more of Camross than RE this year and I think they are the only senior team in Laois to have maintained (if not, improved) from last year. The rest of the county seems to have regressed somewhat and RE will need to be at their best physically and mentally to come through.
A Camross win would be a massive achievement and it might be the sweetest for some of their senior players who have really driven things on this year.
RE have the forwards to cause any side trouble but they need to win individual battles against a team who rarely lose theirs. If Roddy King or Paddy Purcell shoot the lights out then they'll win....but I don't think they will.
Camross by 3.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Mossy Bruce on October 06, 2018, 11:44:49 PM
Go Harps! :D
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on October 07, 2018, 01:38:19 PM
Am I being churlish to feel sorry for the Harps minors who lost to a three club amalgamation today? This alliance is just for this age group and they are not together at any other age.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 07, 2018, 02:10:15 PM
Am I being churlish to feel sorry for the Harps minors who lost to a three club amalgamation today? This alliance is just for this age group and they are not together at any other age.

Who’s the 3rd club MM?

CB,Mountrath and ?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dwayne Johnston on October 07, 2018, 03:03:27 PM
Trumera I believe
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 07, 2018, 03:30:18 PM
jaysus there is nothing in the harps at all, cullohill and durrow would probably make it to senior a level by themselves, maybe its finally time to evaluate the harps as aa concept because they are at the moment as much a prime example of a failed amalgamation as rathdowney/errill are of a successful one.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Behindthefence on October 07, 2018, 04:13:25 PM
I think it's actually a very good example of why amalgamations are allowed. Between the three clubs they only have 20 players. Ballacolla have a strong tradition of fielding teams on their own and this just happens to be an age group they are shy players for, as can happen with rural club's. It also gives Mountrath and trumera players a chance to play A hurling which they might otherwise not have had.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 07, 2018, 06:16:58 PM
Trumera I believe

The 2 cuddys are now hurling with mountrath full time,I believe

Fair play to Ballyroan fro giving one of them a home for football too
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 07, 2018, 07:09:36 PM
I think it's actually a very good example of why amalgamations are allowed. Between the three clubs they only have 20 players. Ballacolla have a strong tradition of fielding teams on their own and this just happens to be an age group they are shy players for, as can happen with rural club's. It also gives Mountrath and trumera players a chance to play A hurling which they might otherwise not have had.
Have to agree. None of the clubs involved had remotely a team on  their own.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 07, 2018, 07:18:26 PM
im talking about the harps as an amalgamation at senior level, nothing to do with underage or ballacolla trumera mountrath, the reasons for teams amalgamating is either one or more domt have enough on their own which isnt the case with the harps, or to win things which they havnt done. I genuinely feel they would both be at the level they are at now by themselves
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 07, 2018, 07:23:03 PM
I think it's actually a very good example of why amalgamations are allowed. Between the three clubs they only have 20 players. Ballacolla have a strong tradition of fielding teams on their own and this just happens to be an age group they are shy players for, as can happen with rural club's. It also gives Mountrath and trumera players a chance to play A hurling which they might otherwise not have had.

Fair point. Did feel harsh on The Harps tho. Better team won overall.

The Senior A game was exciting but the standard was underwhelming. I have to give Portlaoise credit; they surprised me with their cohesion and were full value for their win. The Harps were disappointing and they remain the great underachievers of Laois hurling. A long winter ahead.

The senior final was marred for me.
The referee has a duty of care to the players on the pitch and he was negligible in not protecting out county captain today.
There are so many proud people in Camross, men and women of character and they will have been disgusted by the strike from the player who was quite rightly subbed at half-time. I hope Ross King is ok; it looked a horrible injury and the rumour going around the stand was that he had lost his two front teeth.

Anyway, it remains a brilliant achievement for Camross. Back to back champions and undoubtedly the best team in Laois over the last 4 years.
I hope we see them give Leinster a right rattle.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 07, 2018, 07:32:08 PM
It was a dirty dirty belt that should have been an automatic red. This referee seems to want to use his own personal rule book to "let the game flow". Every game is a controversy, and the duty of care bit is very true. One of the players booked in this incident should have been sent off for a headbutt (right in front of the referee) after about 5 minutes.
The man should not be rewarded with Senior finals.
The incident, and more importantly the outcome of it, had a major effect on the game thereafter.

I don't agree with earlier posters re the minor amalgamation.
You can always step back to B in the odd years you are not particularly strong and use your own u15s/16s. Isn't that what rural clubs have always done.
I don't think this win will be of much benefit to any of the 3 clubs involved (Yes there were 3 involved).

Also, The Harps underperformed today. But it is a bit dramatic to start talking about disbanding the club as a magic fix.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 07, 2018, 07:36:44 PM
I thought the standard of the Senior A, while not amazing, was certainly better than the Senior A final last year. Basically, Portlaoise won it through hard work, harrying, and tackling. Some good lads to catch a ball, too. Harps probably the more skilful team, but as ever, couldn't mix it in the physical stakes.
Anyway, good to see them win it, in a way - although everyone loves to beat them, Laois needs a strong hurling team in the middle of the county.

What you say about the ref is correct, but the writing was on the wall from the semi-final against Borris. Today he seemed far more fussy overall, but could easily have handed out a red. Still, Camross have that mix of doggedness, steel and a some skilful lads. Collier had another great game.
Laois clubs have underachieved in Leinster recently, and I don't see why this year should be much different...

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 07, 2018, 07:37:49 PM
It was a shocking pull  and the real disappointment was the ref who bottled it. It's not the first time where Camross have got away with this type of tactic. Considering how they behaved last year, I don't expect them to give Leinster a rattle. Ross King deserves better than what happened today. Only a few weeks ago Clonaslee behaved the same against Portlaoise. This is not acceptable in 2018.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dwayne Johnston on October 07, 2018, 07:52:30 PM
Re the minor final, didn’t the harps win a minor joined with ballinakill a few years back? Maybe not but they were certainly joined at one stage. I think it will benefit Mountrath to have those chaps on a winning team but yes in an ideal world they should be able to field their own team.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 07, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
Re the minor final, didn’t the harps win a minor joined with ballinakill a few years back? Maybe not but they were certainly joined at one stage. I think it will benefit Mountrath to have those chaps on a winning team but yes in an ideal world they should be able to field their own team.
They won an U21 beating Ballacolla on the way.
I heard it mentioned about 3 times today.  ::)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on October 07, 2018, 07:55:13 PM
I have mentioned earlier on this particular thread my view that Laois hurling is starting to fall off a cliff. Nothing I saw today changes that verdict.
Poor Eddie Brennan must be feeling uneasy, because with little coming through the underage ranks to boost the senior squad, his goal in 2019 may be to remain in the joe mcdonagh ranks.

I feel sorry for The Harps, defeated in two finals today. The Senior B final was no spectacle. Deegan is a promising coach within the confines of Laois, today the tactics were wrong.  I suppose the fact that so many Harps players failed to perform can render tactics as useless.  Two moderate sides, neither would survive in Kilkenny at Intermediate level if truth be told. The difference was Cahir Healy, take him out of the Portlaoise side and they may have collapsed in defence.  When Healy retires, the shelf life of this Portlaoise hurling group at Senior A grade will be limited.

The main event was a typical professional "getting the job done" effort by Camross.  Once they got their heads in front, the writing was on the wall. Alas Camross hold no chance in Leinster.

Like Merman, the moment from the 2018 final they will be etched in my memory was the assault by a Camross player right in front of the middle of the stands....not one, two but three vicious blows to a player prone on the ground.  An assault, not accident, and let us call a spade a spade, the act of a tr**p.

The referee saw it, the linesman saw it, the 4th official saw it.  To dish out a yellow card instead of an instant red card was an insult to the game of hurling.

O Brien gets an easy enough ride as he is an outsider officiating here, after this he should get no more county finals, I could say more. Yet the clowns who appoint such officials will turn a blind eye.

That the victim of the assault was a soldier who has given great service to the county to rubs salt into the wounds. I am not from Rathdowney/Errill and would consider myself neutral...naked assaults deserve punishment.
When the incident occurred R/E were leading and Camross not firing....Camross should have been reduced to 14 men and the outcome would have been different.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 07, 2018, 07:55:47 PM
It was a dirty dirty belt that should have been an automatic red. This referee seems to want to use his own personal rule book to "let the game flow". Every game is a controversy, and the duty of care bit is very true. One of the players booked in this incident should have been sent off for a headbutt (right in front of the referee) after about 5 minutes.
The man should not be rewarded with Senior finals.
The incident, and more importantly the outcome of it, had a major effect on the game thereafter.

I don't agree with earlier posters re the minor amalgamation.
You can always step back to B in the odd years you are not particularly strong and use your own u15s/16s. Isn't that what rural clubs have always done.
I don't think this win will be of much benefit to any of the 3 clubs involved (Yes there were 3 involved).

Also, The Harps underperformed today. But it is a bit dramatic to start talking about disbanding the club as a magic fix.
Have to disagree. all clubs involved will benefit from this win. "B" football and hurling in this county is putrid and any player with any self respect should be playing "A".  I expect at least 10 of the team to play for their adult clubs. The amalgamation had at least 5 under 15s playing today and a lot of them are playing with the county already.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 07, 2018, 08:00:06 PM
I didn't use sympathy for The Harps as an argument against CB/Mountrath/Trumera. It is no different to Camross/Ballyfin/Mountmellick/North Laois.
The Harps/Ballinakill was wrong, as is Mountrath/Ballacolla, as is Camross/Ballyfin/Mountmellick, as was Castletown/Slieve Bloom/Ballyfin.

The love in for Deegan as a coach is also a little overhyped.
3 finals, won 1 and lost 2.
Not bad, but nothing to be getting excited about (unless you write for Laois Today).
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 07, 2018, 08:01:03 PM
It was a dirty dirty belt that should have been an automatic red. This referee seems to want to use his own personal rule book to "let the game flow". Every game is a controversy, and the duty of care bit is very true. One of the players booked in this incident should have been sent off for a headbutt (right in front of the referee) after about 5 minutes.
The man should not be rewarded with Senior finals.
The incident, and more importantly the outcome of it, had a major effect on the game thereafter.

I don't agree with earlier posters re the minor amalgamation.
You can always step back to B in the odd years you are not particularly strong and use your own u15s/16s. Isn't that what rural clubs have always done.
I don't think this win will be of much benefit to any of the 3 clubs involved (Yes there were 3 involved).

Also, The Harps underperformed today. But it is a bit dramatic to start talking about disbanding the club as a magic fix.
Have to disagree. all clubs involved will benefit from this win. "B" football and hurling in this county is putrid and any player with any self respect should be playing "A".  I expect at least 10 of the team to play for their adult clubs. The amalgamation had at least 5 under 15s playing today and a lot of them are playing with the county already.

So should every club look around in advance of their "weaker years" and find someone else in a similar situation and jump into bed with them for a year?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 07, 2018, 08:11:39 PM
It was a dirty dirty belt that should have been an automatic red. This referee seems to want to use his own personal rule book to "let the game flow". Every game is a controversy, and the duty of care bit is very true. One of the players booked in this incident should have been sent off for a headbutt (right in front of the referee) after about 5 minutes.
The man should not be rewarded with Senior finals.
The incident, and more importantly the outcome of it, had a major effect on the game thereafter.

I don't agree with earlier posters re the minor amalgamation.
You can always step back to B in the odd years you are not particularly strong and use your own u15s/16s. Isn't that what rural clubs have always done.
I don't think this win will be of much benefit to any of the 3 clubs involved (Yes there were 3 involved).

Also, The Harps underperformed today. But it is a bit dramatic to start talking about disbanding the club as a magic fix.
Have to disagree. all clubs involved will benefit from this win. "B" football and hurling in this county is putrid and any player with any self respect should be playing "A".  I expect at least 10 of the team to play for their adult clubs. The amalgamation had at least 5 under 15s playing today and a lot of them are playing with the county already.

So should every club look around in advance of their "weaker years" and find someone else in a similar situation and jump into bed with them for a year?
Seems a sensible enough approach to me if a team hasn't got the numbers.  It's been going on in Laois since time immemorial and will continue if we want our 48 clubs to survive.   
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 07, 2018, 08:13:03 PM
I agree Keyser.

I've no problem with CB, Mountrath, Trumera; well done to the young lads. Not many Minor A medallists in any of those clubs. I don't want this discussion to detract from their win; they were the better team and some of the performances were excellent.

But The Harps have brought a team from U6 to U17 and were denied by an amalgamated team, manufactured out of convenience. Yes, the reasons are valid and can be logically defended but it doesn't make it 100% right.

Again, I'm not criticising the individual clubs but it's a bitter pill to swallow for those young men who were the best U17 'club' in Laois but have nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 07, 2018, 08:13:18 PM
Agree 100%. No excuse for the referee not to issue at least 1 red in that instance, as usual the whole stand can see something but the ref doesnt? As usual here we are after such an important game talking about the ref. It had a huge bearing on the game, camross should have been down to at least 14, instead RE are without arguably their best player.
Having said all that RE had a few chances to level or even win the game at the end but didnt take them. I would also add Camross always use the ball well, they got their match ups right, and they manage the game very well, making changes and positional switches when needed.

In the Senior A, Portlaoise the better team overall, they had ball winners in their inside line and that made the difference, Harps couldnt get anything to stick in their full forward line, and they should have tried to create space a lot more/better, it was very bunched for most of the game and that suited Portlaoise. Also dont know why they didnt send up their free man into the forwards for the last 10 mins or so to try get them back into the game.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 07, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
I agree Keyser.

I've no problem with CB, Mountrath, Trumera; well done to the young lads. Not many Minor A medallists in any of those clubs. I don't want this discussion to detract from their win; they were the better team and some of the performances were excellent.

But The Harps have brought a team from U6 to U17 and were denied by an amalgamated team, manufactured out of convenience. Yes, the reasons are valid and can be logically defended but it doesn't make it 100% right.

Again, I'm not criticising the individual clubs but it's a bitter pill to swallow for those young men who were the best U17 'club' in Laois but have nothing to show for it.
Funny enough no mention of a Crettyard player who probably should have been with Slieve Margy
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 07, 2018, 08:17:51 PM
I agree Keyser.

I've no problem with CB, Mountrath, Trumera; well done to the young lads. Not many Minor A medallists in any of those clubs. I don't want this discussion to detract from their win; they were the better team and some of the performances were excellent.

But The Harps have brought a team from U6 to U17 and were denied by an amalgamated team, manufactured out of convenience. Yes, the reasons are valid and can be logically defended but it doesn't make it 100% right.

Again, I'm not criticising the individual clubs but it's a bitter pill to swallow for those young men who were the best U17 'club' in Laois but have nothing to show for it.
Funny enough no mention of a Crettyard player who probably should have been with Slieve Margy

Not funny at all.
I happen to know the young man and his family.
He's hurled with The Harps since before Slieve Margy were formed. Should he have been forced to go back and hurl at B or C grade?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 07, 2018, 08:22:34 PM
slieve margy is a dead duck anyways, theres 3 or 4 clubs fighting it for some of the young lads still interested in hurling, football clubs killed it off basically, probably shoulf of built it up from underage slowly like lads are saying a new club in portlaoise should on another fourm, real shame though
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 07, 2018, 08:25:47 PM
I agree Keyser.

I've no problem with CB, Mountrath, Trumera; well done to the young lads. Not many Minor A medallists in any of those clubs. I don't want this discussion to detract from their win; they were the better team and some of the performances were excellent.

But The Harps have brought a team from U6 to U17 and were denied by an amalgamated team, manufactured out of convenience. Yes, the reasons are valid and can be logically defended but it doesn't make it 100% right.

Again, I'm not criticising the individual clubs but it's a bitter pill to swallow for those young men who were the best U17 'club' in Laois but have nothing to show for it.
Funny enough no mention of a Crettyard player who probably should have been with Slieve Margy

Not funny at all.
I happen to know the young man and his family.
He's hurled with The Harps since before Slieve Margy were formed. Should he have been forced to go back and hurl at B or C grade?
You  back up my earlier point that no player should be  forced to play B and C. The notion that the Harps are purer than snow when it comes to this type of stuff is a bit of a myth. They picked the best out of Ballinakill for years before Ballinakill got their act together.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 07, 2018, 08:27:07 PM
Hopefully the same as what happened Slieve Margy won't happen w/ the St. Paul's/ Portarlington hurling amalgamation, which won the u13 B championship recently. However, keeping that team going u15 will be a real challenge, and I wish them luck.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 07, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
[be  forced to play B and C. The notion that the Harps are purer than snow when it comes to this type of stuff is a bit of a myth. They picked the best out of Ballinakill for years before Ballinakill got their act together.
[/quote]

I dont think it ballinakill got their act together, they are doing the same to margy and ballypickas except they transfer them in instead,
look as far as i can see alot of clubs are at this in both codes so it hard for vlubs pillaged more than others to stay going.
In an ideal world underage hurling should go by parish and traditional boundaries but these are becoming increasingly blurred.
The latest one doing the rounds is that if raheen parish gaels break up underage colt will take any young lad living in the clonad area as clonad are technically a portlaoise club while clonad area is in raheen parish. You couldnt make it up
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 07, 2018, 09:09:14 PM
What was done to Roddy King today was vile. Camross is as Camross does unfortunately.

Get well soon Roddy.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 07, 2018, 09:17:27 PM
What did the ref issue yellow card for?  If it was for what everyone saw he bottled it because without a shadow of doubt itwas a red card and even 2 red cards.
 
It had to be the worst and most cowardly strike I have ever seen on a pitch.

If a team have to resort to that all i can say is they are a very poor reflection on our county going forward to reoresent laois
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 07, 2018, 09:29:27 PM

The latest one doing the rounds is that if raheen parish gaels break up underage colt will take any young lad living in the clonad area as clonad are technically a portlaoise club while clonad area is in raheen parish. You couldnt make it up

This is surely a joke?! Colt, at underage, have practically nothing coming through.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 07, 2018, 09:29:57 PM
Was it a strike with the hurl into the face? Roddy up in a Dublin hospital anyhow
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 07, 2018, 09:33:45 PM
Was it a strike with the hurl into the face? Roddy up in a Dublin hospital anyhow

A deliberate strike to the face and a pull on helmet. Awful stuff
have seen a picture of injury and it's a shame to see this in sport.
Accidents happen in hurling but this was far from accidental.
seemingly linesman called for a red but ref deemed yellow sufficent
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 07, 2018, 09:43:34 PM

The latest one doing the rounds is that if raheen parish gaels break up underage colt will take any young lad living in the clonad area as clonad are technically a portlaoise club while clonad area is in raheen parish. You couldnt make it up

This is surely a joke?! Colt, at underage, have practically nothing coming through.

thus why they would be looking to extend their catchment area and invade into clonads area, not the first club to do it
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 07, 2018, 10:04:01 PM

The latest one doing the rounds is that if raheen parish gaels break up underage colt will take any young lad living in the clonad area as clonad are technically a portlaoise club while clonad area is in raheen parish. You couldnt make it up

This is surely a joke?! Colt, at underage, have practically nothing coming through.

Think some people are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5

Clonad aren’t looking to break up the RPG amalgamation for starters,the amalgamation at Juvenile in a lot of RPG teams is backboned by both Clonad mentors and hurlers and we have bought in fully,the fact that others haven’t is a bit of a disappointment.

The reality is that we have approached the county board (the 3  other portlaoise parish clubs are fully aware of this) with  a proposal to get 2 national schools and Portlaoise College designated as Clonad schools,we feel would go somewhat towards providing a Hurling  option for children that isn’t being provided for currently in Portlaoise parish,.We would hope to make use of the Portlaoise College facilities for training also.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 07, 2018, 10:13:43 PM
Was it a strike with the hurl into the face? Roddy up in a Dublin hospital anyhow
If Camross have any credibility, the player in question should not be seen on the field for the rest of the year at the very least. Doubt that will happen. I don't think type of stuff will be stamped out unless someone goes the legal route. We had an incident in the courts earlier in the year where the Judge was fairly candid on the GAA's attitude to violence.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Dwayne Johnston on October 07, 2018, 10:20:39 PM


The reality is that we have approached the county board (the 3  other portlaoise parish clubs are fully aware of this) with  a proposal to get 2 national schools and Portlaoise College designated as Clonad schools,we feel would go somewhat towards providing a Hurling  option for children that isn’t being provided for currently in Portlaoise parish,.We would hope to make use of the Portlaoise College facilities for training also.

Best of luck Clonad. Hopefully county board approves! Can you say which two national schools are involved?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 07, 2018, 10:22:48 PM
Was it a strike with the hurl into the face? Roddy up in a Dublin hospital anyhow
If Camross have any credibility, the player in question should not be seen on the field for the rest of the year at the very least. Doubt that will happen. I don't think type of stuff will be stamped out unless someone goes the legal route. We had an incident in the courts earlier in the year where the Judge was fairly candid on the GAA's attitude to violence.

the problem is that Camross will see nothing wrong with this.

When the ref overrules the linesman who was right in front of it you have to question the ref without a doubt
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 07, 2018, 10:23:25 PM
I was standing on the far side of the pitch and I could see it from there. How 3 officials standing not more than 10 meters away can’t get it right is beyond me. Up to that point, RE were by far the better team.

History will show that Camross were champions in 2018 but it’s a shallow victory. They have a long history of producing tough men up there but that lad’s definitely not one of them.

I wish Roddy a speedy recovery.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 07, 2018, 10:32:14 PM


The reality is that we have approached the county board (the 3  other portlaoise parish clubs are fully aware of this) with  a proposal to get 2 national schools and Portlaoise College designated as Clonad schools,we feel would go somewhat towards providing a Hurling  option for children that isn’t being provided for currently in Portlaoise parish,.We would hope to make use of the Portlaoise College facilities for training also.

Best of luck Clonad. Hopefully county board approves! Can you say which two national schools are involved?

Not at the minute,but they would be 2 schools which would have very low participation rates as regards the GAA,Dwayne
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on October 07, 2018, 10:45:49 PM
Was it a strike with the hurl into the face? Roddy up in a Dublin hospital anyhow
If Camross have any credibility, the player in question should not be seen on the field for the rest of the year at the very least. Doubt that will happen. I don't think type of stuff will be stamped out unless someone goes the legal route. We had an incident in the courts earlier in the year where the Judge was fairly candid on the GAA's attitude to violence.

the problem is that Camross will see nothing wrong with this.

When the ref overrules the linesman who was right in front of it you have to question the ref without a doubt
there will be no action against the Camross player or club for what is another underhand deliberate incident involving a player from that club what sickened me most was the way the Camross mentors /management were praising and the player involved, for years this club has got away with this type of dirt within this county. referees for some reason turn a blind eye even after the linesman brought the incident to the attention of the referee he still decided that this is acceptable from camross players and yet any similar incident from any other club would result in  a straight red card and rightly so.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 07, 2018, 11:04:56 PM
Not a mention of it on the Laois Gaa video of it.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 07, 2018, 11:05:57 PM
Well maybe in this case Ross King might think of taking a case against the player himself. He would be well justified to do so.
I most certainly wouldn't have pride in my club if this was the carry on.
All I see over Facebook is horror. No quibble from RE about anything only this incident
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on October 07, 2018, 11:17:45 PM
Not a mention of it on the Laois Gaa video of it.
Sweep it under the carpet, never let on it happened, referees are above criticism same old story year after year and yet players are expected to come together and give their all for the county Shame on Laois hurling again.
what was going on off the ball all during the match in front of 7 rules officials and at times brought to the attention of the referee was what we expect to come to see from Camross and the continued blind eye shown to the thuggery from this club is the norm. almost every other Club in the county would be severely punished with red cards and more.
P.G. Ross will make a good recovery and will still have the appetite to hurl for Laois where hopefully the type of incident that led to his injury will not see favor from proper officialdom.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on October 07, 2018, 11:33:15 PM
Was at the match.  If anything it was a very subdued affair.  Was right in front of the incident and was handbags at best but obviously Ross got a very unwarranted belt. Camross started sluggishly but were worthy winners playing against the breeze in the second half.
Refereeing standard was very low and no real flow to the game.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 07, 2018, 11:40:48 PM
[quote authFar from it NG1 link=topic=27835.msg1853921#msg1853921 date=1538951595]
Was at the match.  If anything it was a very subdued affair.  Was right in front of the incident and was handbags at best but obviously Ross got a very unwarranted belt. Camross started sluggishly but were worthy winners playing against the breeze in the second half.
Refereeing standard was very low and no real flow to the game.
[/quote]

Handbags?  Plain thuggery and nothing to do with hurling
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on October 07, 2018, 11:47:24 PM
Certainly wasn't a thuggish game. Camross a superior outfit.
Wishing Ross a speedy recovery and also Mossy Burke who received a nasty blow to the head and had to be substituted.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 07, 2018, 11:50:38 PM
Certainly wasn't a thuggish game. Camross a superior outfit.
Wishing Ross a speedy recovery and also Mossy Burke who received a nasty blow to the head and had to be substituted.

not a thuggish game. Just thuggish act.
not desputing Camross win in the slighest
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on October 07, 2018, 11:52:41 PM
Was at the match.  If anything it was a very subdued affair.  Was right in front of the incident and was handbags at best but obviously Ross got a very unwarranted belt. Camross started sluggishly but were worthy winners playing against the breeze in the second half.
Refereeing standard was very low and no real flow to the game.
agree with most of what you say but the reality of the situation is, Camross should have been down to 14 players, Ross king was a huge loss to R/E and in reality R/e were 3 points up before Ross king was assaulted and after his removal from the field Camross took control of the game and won under a cloud.no doubt Camross will celebrate the win with little or no regard for the outcome of the thuggery inflicted on Ross King. the lack of action from the referee will be protected by Laois GAA. the incident clearly had a vital say in the outcome of the game and once again in Laois  very wrong actions get the reward.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 08, 2018, 07:00:38 AM
Was at the match.  If anything it was a very subdued affair.  Was right in front of the incident and was handbags at best but obviously Ross got a very unwarranted belt. Camross started sluggishly but were worthy winners playing against the breeze in the second half.
Refereeing standard was very low and no real flow to the game.
Would you away and shite with yourself. Handbags me hole.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2018, 07:37:52 AM
I agree Keyser.

I've no problem with CB, Mountrath, Trumera; well done to the young lads. Not many Minor A medallists in any of those clubs. I don't want this discussion to detract from their win; they were the better team and some of the performances were excellent.

But The Harps have brought a team from U6 to U17 and were denied by an amalgamated team, manufactured out of convenience. Yes, the reasons are valid and can be logically defended but it doesn't make it 100% right. [/b]

Again, I'm not criticising the individual clubs but it's a bitter pill to swallow for those young men who were the best U17 'club' in Laois but have nothing to show for it.

This is it exactly. Fewer clubs will bother trying to standalone. Which is fewer clubs bothering their arse to work hard at juvenile level, we can’t afford this. As far as I can see, The Harps have done everything right with this group. They don’t deserve to lose a showpiece final to a thrown together combo.
The next time The Harps aren’t capable of competing at ‘A’ Level on their own, this makes it easier for them to decide to jump in with someone.

In the interest of bias, I can also remember The Harps/Clough Ballacolla hurling together one year in the Minor or U21 B!!!!!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 08, 2018, 07:48:09 AM
Was at the match.  If anything it was a very subdued affair.  Was right in front of the incident and was handbags at best but obviously Ross got a very unwarranted belt. Camross started sluggishly but were worthy winners playing against the breeze in the second half.
Refereeing standard was very low and no real flow to the game.

Sorry but that's bull.
There was an opportunity to take out RE's leading light and Camross took it. It was dirty at best; malicious at worst.
Handbags it was not.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Leixlad on October 08, 2018, 08:18:14 AM
A shallow victory for Camross - though i doubt they will see it that way. An absolute disgrace what happened to Ross. And a yellow card given - comical. Wouldn't let that reff do another game here. I hope there is some reprimand for that player who carried out that assault - one of the worst strokes iv seen on a hurling pitch in a long long time. As someone said a right hard man it takes to do something like that, he should be ashamed of himself.

The incident was actually the turning point of the game. R/e were on top hurling into the breeze, game changed when Roddy went off - jesus still cant believe Camross player only got a yellow card. From that point on Camross were well on top - only some very questionable refereeing in the second half kept R/e in the game - perhaps realizing his mistake in the first half. And some poor Camross shooting. Ciaran Collier was probably the standout player for me. Hope Eddie Brennan can get him back on board. 

With regards to Leinster - I would always shout for our county champions as neutral but i wont be going to support Camross this year. I dont give them any hope anyway.

Best wished to Roddy for a speedy recovery and hope the damage isnt too bad. A nicer fella you couldn't meet i was disgusted for him - he gives his all for  Laois everyday he playes - I hope it wont put him off as he is certainly one of our big players and leaders.

Intermediate final was so and so - it was always going to be a dogfight scenario and Portlaoise just dogged it out best. Good to see them back senior. Cian Taylor was the main difference up front, ball was sticking to him inside and he was setting up enough chances that Portlaoise would get over the line. Healy just a phenomenal beast. Would be great to see him back with Laois next year. (in both codes - wishful thinking i fear though!!)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Behindthefence on October 08, 2018, 09:03:10 AM


This is it exactly. Fewer clubs will bother trying to standalone. Which is fewer clubs bothering their arse to work hard at juvenile level, we can’t afford this. As far as I can see, The Harps have done everything right with this group. They don’t deserve to lose a showpiece final to a thrown together combo.
The next time The Harps aren’t capable of competing at ‘A’ Level on their own, this makes it easier for them to decide to jump in with someone.

In the interest of bias, I can also remember The Harps/Clough Ballacolla hurling together one year in the Minor or U21 B!!!!!

For clarity Keyser this combo was not thrown together because they couldn't compete at B, without this combo the club's in question would not have been able to field teams. There was only 20 players on the panel combined. Last year Ballacolla won the B with a panel of just 17. What is the alternative if a club hasn't simply got the numbers to fulfil a team in one particular year???
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Jd on October 08, 2018, 10:24:17 AM
Maybe then  teams should just amalgamate  every year and if they have a particularly  strong number on certain  years pit in an A and a  B team.  So then you pick your club to join up with and your stuck with them for better or worse for a minimum  period of say 10 years
As regards the senior hurling  I wasn't  in cos I was  working  but it's sad that once  again we're  back discussing  an act of thuggery.  I talked to around 10 different  people who were at the match  and they were consistent  in saying that it was a blatant  dirty act and that the ref or linesman couldn't have missed it.  Why does this be allowed.  On another thread here people are saying a fella should be able to play the county final after being sent off for what was admittedly a harmless enough punch but now we have a young man in hospital  with serious injuries after being struck  repeatedly  with a hurl.  And the scum  that did it got to play  on!!!! Beggars belief! Time to come down hard on that stuff.  If a video  is there the man should be banned  for life and prosecuted  for assault  too
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 08, 2018, 12:58:36 PM
Maybe then  teams should just amalgamate  every year and if they have a particularly  strong number on certain  years pit in an A and a  B team.  So then you pick your club to join up with and your stuck with them for better or worse for a minimum  period of say 10 years
As regards the senior hurling  I wasn't  in cos I was  working  but it's sad that once  again we're  back discussing  an act of thuggery.  I talked to around 10 different  people who were at the match  and they were consistent  in saying that it was a blatant  dirty act and that the ref or linesman couldn't have missed it.  Why does this be allowed.  On another thread here people are saying a fella should be able to play the county final after being sent off for what was admittedly a harmless enough punch but now we have a young man in hospital  with serious injuries after being struck  repeatedly  with a hurl.  And the scum  that did it got to play  on!!!! Beggars belief! Time to come down hard on that stuff.  If a video  is there the man should be banned  for life and prosecuted  for assault  too

Unfortunately I think that can’t now happen because he got a yellow card.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 08, 2018, 01:54:39 PM
Maybe then  teams should just amalgamate  every year and if they have a particularly  strong number on certain  years pit in an A and a  B team.  So then you pick your club to join up with and your stuck with them for better or worse for a minimum  period of say 10 years
As regards the senior hurling  I wasn't  in cos I was  working  but it's sad that once  again we're  back discussing  an act of thuggery.  I talked to around 10 different  people who were at the match  and they were consistent  in saying that it was a blatant  dirty act and that the ref or linesman couldn't have missed it.  Why does this be allowed.  On another thread here people are saying a fella should be able to play the county final after being sent off for what was admittedly a harmless enough punch but now we have a young man in hospital  with serious injuries after being struck  repeatedly  with a hurl.  And the scum  that did it got to play  on!!!! Beggars belief! Time to come down hard on that stuff.  If a video  is there the man should be banned  for life and prosecuted  for assault  too

Unfortunately I think that can’t now happen because he got a yellow card.
If the ref had done nothing, it's possible that the incident could be looked at again. However, with a yellow that's it.  Serious consideration has to be given to an outside ref as the local refs are too close to the teams as there is such a small pool to pick from. They referee them in challenges all the time.  I thought that John O'Brien was a breath of fresh air when he came here first.  However, he cannot be proud of the events he presided over yesterday. It was either a red or nothing. All he had to do was to look at Roddy's face and know this was serious. Nevertheless, it's easy to blame one man when the organisation is responsible to a greater extent. At a higher level, the GAA has a duty of care to all players. Yesterday we as an organisation fell well short. 
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 08, 2018, 02:01:56 PM
Maybe then  teams should just amalgamate  every year and if they have a particularly  strong number on certain  years pit in an A and a  B team.  So then you pick your club to join up with and your stuck with them for better or worse for a minimum  period of say 10 years
As regards the senior hurling  I wasn't  in cos I was  working  but it's sad that once  again we're  back discussing  an act of thuggery.  I talked to around 10 different  people who were at the match  and they were consistent  in saying that it was a blatant  dirty act and that the ref or linesman couldn't have missed it.  Why does this be allowed.  On another thread here people are saying a fella should be able to play the county final after being sent off for what was admittedly a harmless enough punch but now we have a young man in hospital  with serious injuries after being struck  repeatedly  with a hurl.  And the scum  that did it got to play  on!!!! Beggars belief! Time to come down hard on that stuff.  If a video  is there the man should be banned  for life and prosecuted  for assault  too

Unfortunately I think that can’t now happen because he got a yellow card.
If the ref had done nothing, it's possible that the incident could be looked at again. However, with a yellow that's it.  Serious consideration has to be given to an outside ref as the local refs are too close to the teams as there is such a small pool to pick from. They referee them in challenges all the time.  I thought that John O'Brien was a breath of fresh air when he came here first.  However, he cannot be proud of the events he presided over yesterday. It was either a red or nothing. All he had to do was to look at Roddy's face and know this was serious. Nevertheless, it's easy to blame one man when the organisation is responsible to a greater extent. At a higher level, the GAA has a duty of care to all players. Yesterday we as an organisation fell well short.

His linesman told him it was a straight red and he disregarded his advice

Within milliseconds of King getting done,there were 2 Camross wild pulls which both warranted yellows at the very least.

Also there was a legitimate RE 65 waved wide in the first half which had came off the keepers legs,I don’t know what the umpire on the stand side was looking at.

Purely neutral observations
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on October 08, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
Hurling in Laois was the big looser Yesterday.
Camross have been at this for years taking players out by whatever means they see fit and referees and county board turn a blind eye to this clubs thuggery year after year no wonder hurling is in decline in this county. any young person or parents looking on at that act yesterday would want to be mad to have ambitions to excell at the game of hurling.
the count board and the referee will hide behind the fact that a yellow card was issued and in truth neither will give one concern about player welfare. shame on Laois gaa for letting Camross club continue to get away with this year after year and shame on camross for encouraging the take him out at all cost.
why should Camross change when the C/B let them and no other club away with it they reap the rewards.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Home Boys Home on October 08, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
If ref gave the yellow card for one of those two wild pulls Clonadmad referred to, and didn't see the Ross getting done just before, maybe then it could be looked at by CB ? Pretty sure the second player pulling wild also head butted John Purcell at start of first half.

On the minor, Clough/Ballacolla Mountrath Tumera is very much a random throwing together. Fairly sure these Mountrath and Trumera lads hurled with Camross up along the grades until last year when they switched over to Clough Ballacolla.  I reckon they the had 15 payers who are on County U17, U16 and U15 squads. Hard for a club team to compete with that strength all over the field. Both C/B and Mountrath had their own u15 teams this year, so it will be interesting to see what happens going forward. Only 3 independent clubs in this years minor A championship is a bit worrying.



Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Moregroundhurling on October 08, 2018, 03:33:42 PM
Had to set up an account just to give my two cents worth on the county final. The referee is question, who we all thought was the savior of refereeing in Laois hurling was well and truly found out. After what happened in the semi final between Camross and Borris I dont know how he was let back into O Moore Park. Striking off the ball with the hurl is a red, with this lad you can get two or three good pulls in, aswel as the usual fisticuffs and handbags knowing a red card wont appear.
Camross should have been down to 13 men after 25 minutes and the players in question taking 2/3 game bans into next years championship. The player in question I believe was taken off soon after much to the disappointment of every Rathdowney/ Errill and neutral fan in O Moore Park.

Get Well Ross king
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Mad Mentor on October 08, 2018, 04:01:00 PM
If Ciaran Collier or Zane Keenan been taken out of the game so cynically at the same point of the game would Camross be champions? I seriously doubt it. Shane Dollard was also stood on while on the ground which probably contributed to him having to leave the field. I'm sure it won't bother some of the Camross support, but there must be many who feel a bad taste in their mouth afterwards.
As regards the referee, if you fail to use the officials on the day with you, you have to accept the criticism you will inevitably get. It is a tough job, but in this instance there was support from his linesman and fourth official to assist his decision and for whatever reason he chose to ignore them.
Eddie Brennan must be wondering what he has let himself in for.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2018, 04:42:50 PM


This is it exactly. Fewer clubs will bother trying to standalone. Which is fewer clubs bothering their arse to work hard at juvenile level, we can’t afford this. As far as I can see, The Harps have done everything right with this group. They don’t deserve to lose a showpiece final to a thrown together combo.
The next time The Harps aren’t capable of competing at ‘A’ Level on their own, this makes it easier for them to decide to jump in with someone.

In the interest of bias, I can also remember The Harps/Clough Ballacolla hurling together one year in the Minor or U21 B!!!!!

For clarity Keyser this combo was not thrown together because they couldn't compete at B, without this combo the club's in question would not have been able to field teams. There was only 20 players on the panel combined. Last year Ballacolla won the B with a panel of just 17. What is the alternative if a club hasn't simply got the numbers to fulfil a team in one particular year???

The alternative is to use your U15s?

Are you seriously telling me that there are only 5 players in this huge area between the ages of 15 & 17 who are not involved in Development squads. (if the poster above is correct with his/her info?)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 08, 2018, 05:01:26 PM


This is it exactly. Fewer clubs will bother trying to standalone. Which is fewer clubs bothering their arse to work hard at juvenile level, we can’t afford this. As far as I can see, The Harps have done everything right with this group. They don’t deserve to lose a showpiece final to a thrown together combo.
The next time The Harps aren’t capable of competing at ‘A’ Level on their own, this makes it easier for them to decide to jump in with someone.

In the interest of bias, I can also remember The Harps/Clough Ballacolla hurling together one year in the Minor or U21 B!!!!!

For clarity Keyser this combo was not thrown together because they couldn't compete at B, without this combo the club's in question would not have been able to field teams. There was only 20 players on the panel combined. Last year Ballacolla won the B with a panel of just 17. What is the alternative if a club hasn't simply got the numbers to fulfil a team in one particular year???

The alternative is to use your U15s?

Are you seriously telling me that there are only 5 players in this huge area between the ages of 15 & 17 who are not involved in Development squads. (if the poster above is correct with his/her info?)

Off the Top of my head

Mountrath would have 3 u15’s on that squad.1 starter and 2 lads that are brought on

U15s that are hurling in B have a big leap
To make in minor A

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2018, 05:06:57 PM
I never said you had to be in the ‘A’?
I don’t think that dropping to ‘B’ level in the years you are short will destroy a club.

Difference of opinion/approach here. But I stand over mine.
The more often these ‘arrangements’ are successful on big days the fewer juvenile teams/clubs we will see in Laois, the lazier people will get about developing players, the smaller our playing base becomes.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 08, 2018, 05:56:45 PM
I never said you had to be in the ‘A’?
I don’t think that dropping to ‘B’ level in the years you are short will destroy a club.

Difference of opinion/approach here. But I stand over mine.
The more often these ‘arrangements’ are successful on big days the fewer juvenile teams/clubs we will see in Laois, the lazier people will get about developing players, the smaller our playing base becomes.

What numbers had the 2 clubs to play apart and compete in a minor B championship?

It doesn’t do a lot for the development of your normal 15 year olds playing minor as well as their other commitments,never mind the fixture clashes that are constantly taking place between 15s and minor in both codes

I’m all for long term amalgamations such as RE BK and RPG,if you are going to enter into a marriage of convience for want of a better phrase it should be for a minimum of 3 years,anything less shouldn’t be even considered by the County Board
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 08, 2018, 06:56:31 PM
I find it hard to believe that U15 & u17 games were fixed clashing?
Do you think fellas should  only be playing one grade?
There aren’t too many clubs in Laois who don’t need to use a big chunk of the age group immediately below them to field teams
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on October 08, 2018, 09:32:59 PM
I went on a rant here last year about Camross and their tactics, it’s only got worse, their back winning and the suspensions (last year), bullying, abuse, & dirt are back, that’s why their winning.

Back to that old school bull shit, hitting late after every ball, all the on field verbal abuse, the manipulating of officials,

Yesterday in that incident alone Dean Delaney, Niall Holmes & Darrel Dooley deserved a red card each,
Of course they don’t give a shit and are laughing to themselves up in the hills tonight.

So many people from numerous different clubs coming out of O Moore park fuming yesterday.
Best wishes to Roddy for a speedy recovery.
How do we stop the 3 in a row?? They won’t let good hurling or the better teams win out
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on October 08, 2018, 09:41:10 PM
Would it have been a “Camross” thing that has influenced Shinrone verbally abusing players in the Offaly championship this year?
Making fun of players’ wives, girlfriends, parents, some of which were deceased, mocking their deaths.
Sad.

Or is that below Camross’ already low level.
On a side note, I’m happy for Danny Owens personally, and him only. He wouldn’t be one to endorse such shite on a field of play.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 08, 2018, 09:57:42 PM
Would it have been a “Camross” thing that has influenced Shinrone verbally abusing players in the Offaly championship this year?
Making fun of players’ wives, girlfriends, parents, some of which were deceased, mocking their deaths.
Sad.

Or is that below Camross’ already low level.
On a side note, I’m happy for Danny Owens personally, and him only. He wouldn’t be one to endorse such shite on a field of play.

he might not endorse it but he saw what dooley was capable of before yesterday. If he's there next year we'll know.

rumour is out that Alan doheny has resigned. Don't know if true or not
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on October 08, 2018, 10:04:00 PM
The camross defeat is shallow ...the 3 players in question should be ashamed i hope they get hammered in the leinster

A lepard never change his spots

Scum
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Behindthefence on October 08, 2018, 10:15:56 PM




The alternative is to use your U15s?

Are you seriously telling me that there are only 5 players in this huge area between the ages of 15 & 17 who are not involved in Development squads. (if the poster above is correct with his/her info?)

But they are using there u15s. 6 in total on the panel, 3 starters from Ballacolla. There is probably 2 more u15s that could be involved plus the 11 Ballacolla players on the panel is 13.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 08, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
The camross defeat is shallow ...the 3 players in question should be ashamed i hope they get hammered in the leinster

A lepard never change his spots

Scum
Spoke to a few people today at work and the word that came up more than once was  neanderthal which was used to describe Laois hurling. I think overall this was unfair as most clubs behave themselves as good if not better than in any other county. Since Delaney was  not booked, I think the county board should review the video evidence to see what role he played in the incident. 
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 08, 2018, 11:09:20 PM
The problem is it’s being done and going unpunished so it happens again and again. Ross King is a fine hurler and a gentleman and doesn’t deserve that. Always seems to be the same names too.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Jd on October 09, 2018, 08:39:41 AM
Back in the 80s and early 90s every club had certain fellas who could "look after"  a good player it seems  from comments  here that Camross  would appear  that have unearthed  one or two such players  again.  If refs are aware of them then it's easy enough  stamp out but the will doesn't  seem to be there.  I firmly believe that the county board  should  consider  withdrawing  our senior  hurling  representatives  from leinster and send a message  that this thuggery  will not be condoned  and let them f**k off back up the mountains  for the winter
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 09, 2018, 08:47:08 AM
Back in the 80s and early 90s every club had certain fellas who could "look after"  a good player it seems  from comments  here that Camross  would appear  that have unearthed  one or two such players  again.  If refs are aware of them then it's easy enough  stamp out but the will doesn't  seem to be there.  I firmly believe that the county board  should  consider  withdrawing  our senior  hurling  representatives  from leinster and send a message  that this thuggery  will not be condoned  and let them f**k off back up the mountains  for the winter
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neither the refs or County board will do anything.

There is a duty of care to players and by God they have let Ross King down this time in spectacular fashion]
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 09, 2018, 09:08:52 AM
The camross defeat is shallow ...the 3 players in question should be ashamed i hope they get hammered in the leinster

A lepard never change his spots

Scum
Spoke to a few people today at work and the word that came up more than once was  neanderthal which was used to describe Laois hurling. I think overall this was unfair as most clubs behave themselves as good if not better than in any other county. Since Delaney was  not booked, I think the county board should review the video evidence to see what role he played in the incident.

Was he not booked? Apologies, I could have sworn he was.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 09, 2018, 10:54:21 AM
Back in the 80s and early 90s every club had certain fellas who could "look after"  a good player it seems  from comments  here that Camross  would appear  that have unearthed  one or two such players  again.  If refs are aware of them then it's easy enough  stamp out but the will doesn't  seem to be there.  I firmly believe that the county board  should  consider  withdrawing  our senior  hurling  representatives  from leinster and send a message  that this thuggery  will not be condoned  and let them f**k off back up the mountains  for the winter
Well that seems a little over the top. I'd be happy for the player to be called before the CCC to explain his actions.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on October 09, 2018, 11:56:16 AM
I didn’t see what happened but video should be reviewed and sanctions handed out,  if this is deliberate then the sanction should be penal.  We all live in the real world, Ross has to go to work this week.  If it was an accident move on,  if deliberate and nasty it needs to be stamped out.  County Board needs to act if deliberate, short term may hurt Camross long term we are all better off.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Jd on October 09, 2018, 02:43:48 PM
Maybe a strong sanction would stop this though Don .  I wasn't  there but heard it was a deliberate  attack.  Was the king chap wearing  his helmet?? If so it makes  it even more cynical as it sounds like the butt of the hurl was used.   Should that club benefit  from what appears  to be an action to take out  the oppositions  best Forward??  in my opinion  no.  Put your  own club in Rathdowneys place and pick any player from your team to be deliberately  struck and suffer the same horrific  injuries would you feel that my suggestion  is over the top then.  I'm  not from Rathdowneys or even  a hurling club by the way but this has really  angered Me!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 09, 2018, 02:55:40 PM
Maybe a strong sanction would stop this though Don .  I wasn't  there but heard it was a deliberate  attack.  Was the king chap wearing  his helmet?? If so it makes  it even more cynical as it sounds like the butt of the hurl was used.   Should that club benefit  from what appears  to be an action to take out  the oppositions  best Forward??  in my opinion  no.  Put your  own club in Rathdowneys place and pick any player from your team to be deliberately  struck and suffer the same horrific  injuries would you feel that my suggestion  is over the top then.  I'm  not from Rathdowneys or even  a hurling club by the way but this has really  angered Me!


I don't think getting him to explain his actions is anyway near good enough. You need to remember who you're dealing with here.  They wouldn't care if that's all that happened

the lesson for all other clubs was quite clear on Sunday.  Do whatever needs doing.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on October 09, 2018, 03:47:41 PM
Surely at this stage the video of the incident has been reviewed by CB.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on October 09, 2018, 04:31:43 PM
It’s disgraceful the comments by other hurling referees towards John O’Brien on Facebook.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: blueandwhite1 on October 09, 2018, 04:45:34 PM
Just a few thoughts, some of which won't be popular.

I don't think that this Camross team are particularly dirty. In fact, by their standards, this is probably the least dirty one I have seen over the years. I don't think they made a pre-meditated decision to take out Ross King. However, when the opportunity presented it, several players struck out viciously and should have been punished. At least one should have been red carded and suspended for a long time. Because that ref doesn't pull any dirty play in some misguided opinion that the game should be allowed to flow, players take chances. One thing is for certain, it changed the game. Rathdowney Errill were well ahead on the scoreboard and in general play. Losing Ross and Shane Dollard swung the game. There was a huge crowd at the match and the officials and county board have a responsibility to players and to kids watching the game. It's not Camross' fault that the ref didn't send one of them off but for sure, it was a very bad mistake by the ref.

Seemingly Alan Doheny told the ref to send off one of the Camross players and he refused to even though he was very close to the incident. That to me is complete incompetence. How he got a county final with his very poor displays in his first year in the county is a disgrace. Had seen him ref 3 or 4 games before this one and in each one his tendency to 'let play go' regardless of how blatant or dangerous a foul was very worrying.

I always struggle watching Camross winning titles anyway for one reason only, their poor commitment to Laois hurling. Looking at the Rathdowney Errill team that lined out on Sunday, everyone on the Rathdowney team either plays for Laois or played for Laois for an extended period except Noel Brennan in goal. Camross never provide the same numbers. There are several of that team that should or could make a huge difference to Laois. No disrespect to Dwayne Palmer, Joe Phelan or Mark Dowling who were involved in the last couple of years. Imagine if Ross King, Paddy Purcell, Eric Killeen, Jack Kelly, Paddy McCane, Mark Kavanagh, James Ryan or Jake Creagh decided to focus on club hurling this year and not bother with county - I can't see Camross being county champions today if they did.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 09, 2018, 04:52:52 PM
Maybe a strong sanction would stop this though Don .  I wasn't  there but heard it was a deliberate  attack.  Was the king chap wearing  his helmet?? If so it makes  it even more cynical as it sounds like the butt of the hurl was used.   Should that club benefit  from what appears  to be an action to take out  the oppositions  best Forward??  in my opinion  no.  Put your  own club in Rathdowneys place and pick any player from your team to be deliberately  struck and suffer the same horrific  injuries would you feel that my suggestion  is over the top then.  I'm  not from Rathdowneys or even  a hurling club by the way but this has really  angered Me!

Yes, he was wearing his helmet. However, I don't think it was a premeditated plan to 'do' him. It was a scrap, and it went too far. Personally, I was a bit surprised there was no red card. There was a similar shemozzle in the Camross v Borris semi-final, and the same ref was no way on top of the situation then, either. Something similar could easily have happened that time. It's certainly a tough job - refereeing - and I wouldn't want to do it, but I did wonder at him getting the final gig. However, as we all know, he does do inter-county, and we do need to freshen up the pool of referees in this county.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 09, 2018, 05:17:37 PM
I think it's plain to see that there would be far less of an outcry against O'Brien if he had given a red card. It was warranted and we probably wouldn't still be talking about it if the Camross player was sent off. And I would agree reffing is a thankless task.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Jd on October 09, 2018, 05:37:23 PM
Fair  enough so the player  seems to have taken an opportunity to get a dirty dig at the chap.  I seem to have been  unfair to that Camross  team as a whole so. Apologies!  Like I said I wasn't  at the game so was depending  on  second hand info.  Can the player  responsible be  identified  and dealt with.  Why did ref book him.  If ref sees the alleged incident on tape can he say that he would have dealt  with  it differently  and the card be upgraded.  Seems  unfair  if he plays on the rest of the year  while the victim is probably  out for six months
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 09, 2018, 06:00:05 PM
If John of brien had dealt with the Borris Kilcotton game properly this probably wouldn't have happened.  A Camrose mentor pulled a helmet straight off one of the b/know lads head which defiantly deserved a punishment. Most dangerous act.
I wouldn't fully agree that it wasn't the plan. Same player had put the butt of hurl into Shane Dollar where no man wants to get a belt.
I think it was a case of doing someone/anyone
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on October 09, 2018, 06:09:54 PM
Fair play LOVEGAA, I thought I was the only one who witnessed the Camross Mentor v Borris/Kilcotton. Shocking carry on and no punishment AGAIN. The Shane Dollard incident was a disgrace and he was a very lucky man and seemingly was told by the play to get on with it.
Rumour has it that the ref in question is employed by a Camross players wife's company and does all challenge games for the club.

Also the refs as a whole are afraid to make any decisions throughout the county. The treatment of Aaron Bergin and Cahir Healy in Snr A semi final was shocking and yet the in charge of that game is being a "keyboard warrior" abusing other refs the whole time. I as a mad Laois GAA person am I completely disillousioned with the place. All they will care about is how much they will make from the final and brush this incident under the carpets. Why would you bother promoting GAA within the county.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 09, 2018, 06:16:41 PM
There should have been at least 1 red card in that match but yet again O'brien bottled it. If this continues we are heading back to the good old days of a free for all.
If r/email had to do that to a Camrose player you can be sure it would have got out of hand completely

the championship this year had to be the poorest in a long time and Iin my view I can't see any glory in the way it was won.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on October 09, 2018, 06:19:10 PM
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/laois-player-reveals-stripped-soccer-scholarship-sneaking-off-play-hurling-weekends-123189

Ross King has given 100 percent commitment to his club and county the last number of years. He sacrificed a scholarship in UCD for love of county and club. Lads like that deserve the upmost respect from the Laois GAA public-not a cowardly and thuggish attack on the field of play. Any normal person would consider winning a final in that way tainted, embarrassing and not worthy of celebration. Listening to interview with Camross manager after game you'd swear he pulled a tactical masterstroke to turn the game. Highly embarrassing and infuriating to listen to. Furthermore, a manager of any class would be quick to wish King a speedy recovery as it was clearly evident that the young man was badly injured.

Eddie Brennan should run now. He's in a lose lose situation. If he doesn't bring in some of the Camross players (when we have such a small pick already) it will be detrimental to our chances of progress in 2019. However, having them there next year isn't likely to develop a harmonious team environment (toxic would be the word that springs to my mind). Hard to ask lads to hurl together and function as a team when certain clubs can't leave insular, backward approaches to hurling where they belong (in the past). Play hard but play fair. Teams that cross the line need to be made an example of and appropriately punished. In Laois we hand them back to back county titles.     
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laois Rising on October 09, 2018, 06:24:14 PM
I agree- the standard of the last few county championships has been deplorable. I felt that when Cheddar was manager that our championship witnessed an improvement as well at the time. The energy and interest created at county level seemed to filter into the club scene. Sadly, it appears things have regressed.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on October 09, 2018, 07:12:43 PM
Abbeyleix will probably be the most disappointed this year.
2 years ago I really enjoyed the fast and exhilarating hurling they brought to the championship.
B/K will also be very disappointed.
Huge amounts of underage championships but a lot have not progressed but most are young yet.
Ballinakills work rate was a joy to watch. Very little more would have got them to a final.
Portlaoise have some lovely young hurlers so hoping they remain at the top table next year.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Helix on October 09, 2018, 08:48:50 PM
Abbeyleix will probably be the most disappointed this year.
2 years ago I really enjoyed the fast and exhilarating hurling they brought to the championship.
B/K will also be very disappointed.
Huge amounts of underage championships but a lot have not progressed but most are young yet.
Ballinakills work rate was a joy to watch. Very little more would have got them to a final.
Portlaoise have some lovely young hurlers so hoping they remain at the top table next year.

It was good to see the likes of Tommy Fitz getting to lift a trophy as captain for Portlaoise. A real leader in the town who hopefully will be brilliant addition in Laois senior hurling set up aswell in 2019 as is Cahir Healy. Good to see him recovered from the knee injury from last years relegation final. They peaked at the right time in the championship. Will be a huge task for them to maintain senior status next year but definitely possible. You feel for the likes of Conor Dunne and John Brophy soldiering with Harps and county for years. They have good young lads coming through and just getting them up to physicality if senior hurling which I felt was where the Harps lost out on those 50/50 balls. You’d imagine they’ll come again and will be exposed to senior league hurling at least for now.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on October 09, 2018, 09:07:49 PM
seen footage of the incident from sunday and its assault pure and simple but in the last few years we have seen james young (a guard btw) attack a castletown player with a hurl on the ground after scoring a goal, and castletown themselves go out and break a lads arm and smash his head in when he took his helmet off in a junior match because he was cleaning up, and thats just 2 examples of many. A different breed of animal entirely, maybe its the lack of air up there that effects them, but its not normal
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 09, 2018, 09:13:40 PM
seen footage of the incident from sunday and its assault pure and simple but in the last few years we have seen james young (a guard btw) attack a castletown player with a hurl on the ground after scoring a goal, and castletown themselves go out and break a lads arm and smash his head in when he took his helmet off in a junior match because he was cleaning up, and thats just 2 examples of many. A different breed of animal entirely, maybe its the lack of air up there that effects them, but its not normal
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there should have been more than 1 red card from that incident Sunday but as long as our county board stay cowardly this will stay happening.

I would be ashamed of my club if they conducted themselves like that but as you say ..A different breed]
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Spillane on October 09, 2018, 09:22:05 PM
First off I'm not from Camross or a hurling club at all. Secondly I wasn't at the county final, but this incident has grown legs. I (like most) have seen the video of the incident by now and thankfully it didn't match the reports I got from people at the game.
The player in question does warrant a red card for 2 very wild pulls around knee height but the incident that results in King's unfortunate and serious injury I believe not to be premeditated or to be on purpose.
From viewing the video again, Ross comes in to hit the Camross player a shoulder, (rightfully so in defence of his teammate who is on the receiving end of two shocking belts) but as he moves in the Camross player rises his hurl to protect himself from the shoulder but connects with the face of King.
Now I'm not saying that the player shouldn't have been sent off, he should have been. But I think the stories going around are a bit extreme. People have called Camross thugs and this was done on purpose, I genuinely don't believe that to be the case. They are a well known dogged and physical team who play to the edge but some of the comments made I find to be unfair. A bit like Arles Kilcruise or Crettyard, they're style of play is always hard and brings you into a battle, which usually these clubs come on top of.

I do agree that the referee has a lot to answer for. To only award a yellow card is insane. He acknowledges the "foul play" but doesn't punish it with what it deserves. Personally I would have sent him off for the first two swipes he made on the players legs,(No intention of playing the ball in either pull), and definitely would have for the action that resulted in King's injury. May have been an accident but still warrants a red.
Have to agree with posters, I was at the semi final where camross mentor ripped the helmet from a player and was shocked to see no action taken. That was my first time to see this referee. I was even more surprised to hear he was awarded the final. By all accounts he lost control of both matches.

Also the video I have seen was in super slow motion and not in real time. I can imagine it would look worse live from the stand. Just want to get my defence in before I might get bombarded with abuse.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 09, 2018, 09:27:44 PM
Won't abuse you but you can see kings helmet being held and hurl up into face. Would agree the wild swings before that were where the ref should have sstepped in in the first place.
be under no illusion they were going to do someone once they went 3 point down. Shane dollard had also received butt of hurl and nothing either

if they got away with this in semi final of course they were going the same route in final

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on October 09, 2018, 09:39:59 PM
I'm not from Camross either but 1 of their best  players was on the receiving of a late pull in the semi final which resulted in a broken leg/foot.
A bit of fairness in the dialogue would be no harm .
Ref should have dealt with it at the time .
Wishing Ross a speedy recovery. Always a pleasure to watch him play.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 09, 2018, 09:46:17 PM
Who was that player.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 09, 2018, 11:04:05 PM
That had the foot broke? Who the hell do you think? If you ask me, he was the instigator of the row in the semi-final.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 09, 2018, 11:37:01 PM
SPILLANE, have no doubt about it, that butt of the hurl to the face of Ross King WAS on purpose!! Absolute rubbish talk! The whistle should have been blown after the first pull on purcell from Delaney!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 07:03:26 AM
That had the foot broke? Who the hell do you think? If you ask me, he was the instigator of the row in the semi-final.
     
     

Was just checking I didn't miss a second break!!
Mind you this is from the same poster who said what happened Sunday was handbag stuff,
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 10, 2018, 07:50:47 AM
SPILLANE, have no doubt about it, that butt of the hurl to the face of Ross King WAS on purpose!! Absolute rubbish talk! The whistle should have been blown after the first pull on purcell from Delaney!

I'm afraid I agree Spillane.
The slow-mo video doing the rounds perhaps makes it look more reactionary but that's not my feeling having seen it. The reaction of the RE players was telling. They knew straight sway.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 10, 2018, 08:32:25 AM
For those saying that it was accidental...Camross are masters of the filthy stroke that almost looks accidental. Even that people are suggesting it might have been accidental is a victory for them. Dont believe it.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 10, 2018, 09:43:32 AM
Where did you see the video of the incident? Certainly not Laois GAA highlights of the game cause there isn't a mention of it. Any links?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Spillane on October 10, 2018, 10:27:27 AM
I got the video in a Whatsapp group. Was disappointed it was not included in Laois Gaa highlights. It was a major incident in the game, should have been included.

Merman and SpeculativeEffort I haven't seen it in real time so I won't totally make my final judgement yet.
Just thought the condemning of the club and people suggesting that Laois CB not allow them advance onto Leinster Championship is a bit extreme.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 10:33:34 AM
I got the video in a Whatsapp group. Was disappointed it was not included in Laois Gaa highlights. It was a major incident in the game, should have been included.

Merman and SpeculativeEffort I haven't seen it in real time so I won't totally make my final judgement yet.
Just thought the condemning of the club and people suggesting that Laois CB not allow them advance onto Leinster Championship is a bit extreme.

Tell that to R/E and Ross King

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on October 10, 2018, 10:54:12 AM
Does anyone know the definitive position now re disciplinary action, Holmes & Dooley were booked, can the referee be asked to review the incident to see if he is satisfied he dealt with the matter correctly?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on October 10, 2018, 11:19:36 AM
Looked back the the Camross Borris Kilcotton game & similar incident, pushing & shoving near the line, Camross mentor in the middle of it pulls the Borris Kilcotton players helmet off, another Camross player arrives in with a head butt,camross player same suspect as Sunday throws a punch,  another Camross player runs in and strikes a swinging punch into another players face right in front of referee
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 11:34:46 AM
And if you look on Laois today you will see how classy Camross really are.

Picture up of a snapchat that just about sums up what they are..
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 10, 2018, 12:43:07 PM
“Tooth fairy does what he likes when he likes,Boom 26”

Is the caption
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 12:46:22 PM
“Tooth fairy does what he likes when he likes,Boom 26”

Is the caption


That's the one.
Laois today have put up video now and funnily enough the Camross comments can't see anything wrong
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Spillane on October 10, 2018, 01:00:34 PM
Jesus, just seen the snapchats. Shocking, my view has completely changed. I gave them the benefit of the doubt, but to see players  mocking a great hurler and servant to Laois in this way is inexcusable.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: ottoman on October 10, 2018, 02:09:08 PM
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Jesus, just seen the snapchats. Shocking, my view has completely changed. I gave them the benefit of the doubt, but to see players  mocking a great hurler and servant to Laois in this way is inexcusable.

I have held back on commenting on this as usually when reports like this come out it takes a few days before we find out what actually happened. Now when I seen the video and see that "tooth fairy" snap its actually disgraceful. To actually brag about putting a man in hospital with a serious facial injury in beyond belief. Laois hurling back in dark times after days like Sunday.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 10, 2018, 03:08:04 PM
Camross have a tradition for being a tough breed . But that mocking incident involving the “tooth fairy” is very cowardly . What happens on the pitch should stay on the pitch. I’d love to know what some of the Camross greats like pj Cuddy, Martin Cuddy , Frank Keenan and Matty Collier would think of that mockery .
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 03:13:17 PM
Camross have a tradition for being a tough breed . But that mocking incident involving the “tooth fairy” is very cowardly . What happens on the pitch should stay on the pitch. I’d love to know what some of the Camross greats like pj Cuddy, Martin Cuddy , Frank Keenan and Matty Collier would think of that mockery .


Tough is fine.  This went beyond and then the mockery and bragging after.  Sickening carry on

Do you honestly think anyone in Camross cares ?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 10, 2018, 03:17:33 PM
Now that u mentioned it I think your right . I don’t say they would actually see anything wrong with it . Would they ?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 03:20:29 PM
Now that u mentioned it I think your right . I don’t say they would actually see anything wrong with it . Would they ?


I honestly dont think so .
It's brought Laois hurling to a new low and leaving a very bad taste.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 10, 2018, 04:03:27 PM
Two wild pulls by the number 7 and from what I can see it was him that also stuck the butt of the hurl into Kings face.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 04:07:38 PM
I'm just after seeing a picture of 3 lads making a mockery of king.

So disappointed to see Dwane Palmer taking part in this mockery considering he plays county with Ross King. How dis- respectful.

Not at all surprised to see Dooley doing it because of course he's the hero now
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 10, 2018, 04:24:12 PM
That's another sad part about the whole episode. Very immature behaviour towards your county teammate. Sad day for Laois hurling when that's happening. Could have huge affect in the next few months when panel is coming together. 
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: ottoman on October 10, 2018, 05:09:41 PM
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That's another sad part about the whole episode. Very immature behaviour towards your county teammate. Sad day for Laois hurling when that's happening. Could have huge affect in the next few months when panel is coming together.

Eddie biggest challenge was to try and get the strongest possible panel from the players available to him. This has been made next to impossible now, cant see the RE lads getting on board with whatever Camross contingent is involved. Its beginning to leave a real bitter after taste now.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 10, 2018, 05:33:32 PM
Apparently theres a county board meeting tonight about the whole thing.
What i keep coming back to is, if Alan Doheny advised John O’Brien that he saw (at least one) red card offence, and O’Brien chose to ignore this, then we have a serious problem. Its worse than a situation where something was caught on camera but not caught by officials. And O’Brien needs to explain what he handed out the yellow cards for.
This has now gone nationwide on social media and as previously mentioned, could have big knock on effects for our inter county team, so this needs to be investigated and dealt with properly.
Also, considering the snapchat pics now going around, i think Camross Gaa club need to step in here and do something too. The whole club looks very very bad at the moment.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Jd on October 10, 2018, 05:41:05 PM
Is there anything  in the rules about bringing the association  into disrepute  because  I'd  love to see the book being thrown  at them now. I had earlier  excused it as a one  player  thing but am back at it being a club culture  again.  Should  people  like that represent  Laois in leinster.  People  get hurt in games and that's  ok but to be interviewed  and pass on no  good wishes and later be seen  to be openly mocking  the injured player is despicable.  Camross  always hard genuinely  hard men who would give and take punishment but this is the actions of a cowardly sc**bag
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on October 10, 2018, 05:48:08 PM
do not expect Camross to do anything, they have the cup and they are all applauding the fact that they took Ross out of the game and now have a hero.
this is the norm from that club and the sad fact that the C.B. have failed to take action for years now is a huge shame on them and certainly need some explanation.
the referee was a farce and one would think corrupt why else would he deliberatly ignore the linesman's advice of a straight red card.
i am sick of this year in and year out and the performance of our county hurling team reflects this.
I am seriously considering telling the C.B. to get lost when they issue the €130 tickets in 2019 why should anyone support this shambles.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on October 10, 2018, 06:19:56 PM
Interesting that everyone is taking a alan doheny’s word as gospel. I wouldn’t be so sure no of that.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 10, 2018, 06:26:58 PM
Interesting that everyone is taking a alan doheny’s word as gospel. I wouldn’t be so sure no of that.

Agree, thats why i said IF, and thats why it needs to be investigated, i hope the county board have got a report/statement from O’Brien for this meeting tonight or tomorrow night, not sure exactly when it is.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 10, 2018, 07:30:17 PM
I heard today that Palmer is in line for the Coaching job with Laois GAA
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on October 10, 2018, 08:44:54 PM
I heard today that Palmer is in line for the Coaching job with Laois GAA

Presume to replace Kieran Muldooley. I’m sure he will do a small bit more than him by turning up for a start so laois GAA will be off to a decent start.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Uisce on October 10, 2018, 09:00:12 PM
Interesting that everyone is taking a alan doheny’s word as gospel. I wouldn’t be so sure no of that.

Agree, thats why i said IF, and thats why it needs to be investigated, i hope the county board have got a report/statement from O’Brien for this meeting tonight or tomorrow night, not sure exactly when it is.

I'd be skeptical on this also considering he 'missed' two blatant stamps by a Camross defender on the terrace side in the second half.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 10, 2018, 09:09:29 PM
I heard today that Palmer is in line for the Coaching job with Laois GAA

Presume to replace Kieran Muldooley. I’m sure he will do a small bit more than him by turning up for a start so laois GAA will be off to a decent start.

I presume it is that job. Not sure to be honest.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 10, 2018, 09:33:00 PM
I heard today that Palmer is in line for the Coaching job with Laois GAA
What’s this picture of Palmer about
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on October 10, 2018, 09:42:51 PM
Himself, Dooley and I think one of the Burke’s showing off their teeth and gums in s pub
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 09:59:51 PM
Himself, Dooley and I think one of the Burke’s showing off their teeth and gums in s pub

Their blatant mockery is sickening and showing them in an even worse light.

One comment on Facebook had someone say he didn't see any dirty strike. 22 likes. 21 from Camrose 1 Galway and 1 a girlfriend of a player.

They actually don't see anything wrong
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Downtheroad on October 10, 2018, 10:04:50 PM
Himself, Dooley and I think one of the Burke’s showing off their teeth and gums in s pub
Just saw it there. Outrageous. 
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 10, 2018, 10:06:07 PM
Himself, Dooley and I think one of the Burke’s showing off their teeth and gums in s pub
f**king tr**p
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 10, 2018, 10:15:30 PM
Himself, Dooley and I think one of the Burke’s showing off their teeth and gums in s pub
f**king tr**p


The worst thing is Palmer plays county with King. He should have a bit more respect. Wouldn't expect it from the others
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 10, 2018, 10:32:02 PM
That’s social media for you. It’s nevet just between friends. Palmer needs to pick up the phone a call Ross King and do some groveling. Wonder what Eddie thinks of it all. Can’t imagine anything similar happening in KK. Could easily cause a split in the camp.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Chrimtain on October 10, 2018, 11:39:10 PM
That’s social media for you. It’s nevet just between friends. Palmer needs to pick up the phone a call Ross King and do some groveling. Wonder what Eddie thinks of it all. Can’t imagine anything similar happening in KK. Could easily cause a split in the camp.

Split in the camp? Somethings never change in Laois. How come its always the same one or two clubs?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 11, 2018, 12:10:54 AM
That Thomas Keyes should be ashamed of himself for the comments on Facebook and Joe Doran too.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on October 11, 2018, 09:03:34 AM
I've always respected Camross as a club , they were always hardy and played over the edge but you expected that and you just got on with it and gave as good as you got but todays GAA has to be different the days of the thuggery we saw last Sunday has to be wiped out or there wont be a child holding a hurl in the county soon. What kind of idiot would let their kid play hurling in this county with that sort of thuggery around the corner when you play certain clubs, and make no mistake its more than just Camross.

The aftermath with the social media stuff is pathetic but when there is drink , mobile phones and a couple of idiots then this happens.Sh1t like this has always gone on but Camross have certainly taken winning without dignity to a new level.

Make no mistake though Camross don't give a sh1t and are just laughing at the good of this forum and FB , the events just  reinforces their 'them and us' attitude with the rest of the county. I think we can expect little or no representation from them with Laois. I suppose the lads in question wont be hurling with Laois because they knew if they pulled strokes like that against a team like KK or Tipperary they would get it back twice as hard and that wouldn't suit them. Big fish ,small pond.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 11, 2018, 09:06:42 AM
The lads in question ain't good enough to hurl w/ Leix.
The only one out of that crew I'd want w/ the county is Collier.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 09:56:32 AM
The lads in question ain't good enough to hurl w/ Leix.
The only one out of that crew I'd want w/ the county is Collier.


Much as they like to think they are hardy men what they have shown themselves as are cowards . Anyone who thinks Danny Owens is any better are sadly mistaken.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 11:23:11 AM
Reading through all these comments here and social media its nothing short of a disgrace the way the camross team and people are being portrayed. The incident itself wasn't as bad as what is stated, king himself ran 40 yards to get involved so technically going by the rules that's a third man tackle and a red card for himself, an incident that last 30 seconds on the day has been circulated in slow motion and stretched to 1 minute and 40 seconds and looks way worse than what actually happened, Laois Today themselves have a lot to answer for, unfortunate what happened to king but these things happen sometimes in hurling and its not just in Laois or not just teams like Camross.

The standard of refs in the county is a joke, reading through FB and referee's from R/E making comments about sorting Camross out next year?, even R/E refs attacking the referee at half time in the dressing room is just shocking, were is the fair play here when officials are intimidating others? in the second half there were 12 frees awarded to R/E and 1 to Camross and also nearly 5 minutes injury time in the second half when only 2 had been agreed. There would have been murder after the match had Camross not won with this carry on.

As for the few pics on social media circulating and people trying to instigate that its this and that, people really need to see sense here, lads out drinking and celebrating all day like clearly wouldn't see sense at 3 o clock in the morning, I'm certain there was no real malicious in any of it. At this stage people really need to accept the fact that Camross have won.

R/E people have really showed there class over there attitude and comments since being beat on Sunday, they really are nothing but sore losers. Camross are champions for 2018 and in doing so have beat R/E 4 times this year so they are in my opinion and on paper worthy champions.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 11:24:26 AM
Reading through all these comments here and social media its nothing short of a disgrace the way the camross team and people are being portrayed. The incident itself wasn't as bad as what is stated, king himself ran 40 yards to get involved so technically going by the rules that's a third man tackle and a red card for himself, an incident that last 30 seconds on the day has been circulated in slow motion and stretched to 1 minute and 40 seconds and looks way worse than what actually happened, Laois Today themselves have a lot to answer for, unfortunate what happened to king but these things happen sometimes in hurling and its not just in Laois or not just teams like Camross.

The standard of refs in the county is a joke, reading through FB and referee's from R/E making comments about sorting Camross out next year?, even R/E refs attacking the referee at half time in the dressing room is just shocking, were is the fair play here when officials are intimidating others? in the second half there were 12 frees awarded to R/E and 1 to Camross and also nearly 5 minutes injury time in the second half when only 2 had been agreed. There would have been murder after the match had Camross not won with this carry on.

As for the few pics on social media circulating and people trying to instigate that its this and that, people really need to see sense here, lads out drinking and celebrating all day like clearly wouldn't see sense at 3 o clock in the morning, I'm certain there was no real malicious in any of it. At this stage people really need to accept the fact that Camross have won.

R/E people have really showed there class over there attitude and comments since being beat on Sunday, they really are nothing but sore losers. Camross are champions for 2018 and in doing so have beat R/E 4 times this year so they are in my opinion and on paper worthy champions.

I stopped reading at "40 yards", hard to look past such a blatant lie. Anyone care to bullet point the rest of it?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 11, 2018, 11:29:20 AM
Reading through all these comments here and social media its nothing short of a disgrace the way the camross team and people are being portrayed. The incident itself wasn't as bad as what is stated, king himself ran 40 yards to get involved so technically going by the rules that's a third man tackle and a red card for himself, an incident that last 30 seconds on the day has been circulated in slow motion and stretched to 1 minute and 40 seconds and looks way worse than what actually happened, Laois Today themselves have a lot to answer for, unfortunate what happened to king but these things happen sometimes in hurling and its not just in Laois or not just teams like Camross.

The standard of refs in the county is a joke, reading through FB and referee's from R/E making comments about sorting Camross out next year?, even R/E refs attacking the referee at half time in the dressing room is just shocking, were is the fair play here when officials are intimidating others? in the second half there were 12 frees awarded to R/E and 1 to Camross and also nearly 5 minutes injury time in the second half when only 2 had been agreed. There would have been murder after the match had Camross not won with this carry on.

As for the few pics on social media circulating and people trying to instigate that its this and that, people really need to see sense here, lads out drinking and celebrating all day like clearly wouldn't see sense at 3 o clock in the morning, I'm certain there was no real malicious in any of it. At this stage people really need to accept the fact that Camross have won.

R/E people have really showed there class over there attitude and comments since being beat on Sunday, they really are nothing but sore losers. Camross are champions for 2018 and in doing so have beat R/E 4 times this year so they are in my opinion and on paper worthy champions.

As a neutral,I’ve only one thing to say to you

Go f**k yourselves
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Reading through all these comments here and social media its nothing short of a disgrace the way the camross team and people are being portrayed. The incident itself wasn't as bad as what is stated, king himself ran 40 yards to get involved so technically going by the rules that's a third man tackle and a red card for himself, an incident that last 30 seconds on the day has been circulated in slow motion and stretched to 1 minute and 40 seconds and looks way worse than what actually happened, Laois Today themselves have a lot to answer for, unfortunate what happened to king but these things happen sometimes in hurling and its not just in Laois or not just teams like Camross.

The standard of refs in the county is a joke, reading through FB and referee's from R/E making comments about sorting Camross out next year?, even R/E refs attacking the referee at half time in the dressing room is just shocking, were is the fair play here when officials are intimidating others? in the second half there were 12 frees awarded to R/E and 1 to Camross and also nearly 5 minutes injury time in the second half when only 2 had been agreed. There would have been murder after the match had Camross not won with this carry on.

As for the few pics on social media circulating and people trying to instigate that its this and that, people really need to see sense here, lads out drinking and celebrating all day like clearly wouldn't see sense at 3 o clock in the morning, I'm certain there was no real malicious in any of it. At this stage people really need to accept the fact that Camross have won.

R/E people have really showed there class over there attitude and comments since being beat on Sunday, they really are nothing but sore losers. Camross are champions for 2018 and in doing so have beat R/E 4 times this year so they are in my opinion and on paper worthy champions.


This !!

My god I've read some shite in my time but you get first prize all day long

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 11:38:58 AM
Reading through all these comments here and social media its nothing short of a disgrace the way the camross team and people are being portrayed. The incident itself wasn't as bad as what is stated, king himself ran 40 yards to get involved so technically going by the rules that's a third man tackle and a red card for himself, an incident that last 30 seconds on the day has been circulated in slow motion and stretched to 1 minute and 40 seconds and looks way worse than what actually happened, Laois Today themselves have a lot to answer for, unfortunate what happened to king but these things happen sometimes in hurling and its not just in Laois or not just teams like Camross.

The standard of refs in the county is a joke, reading through FB and referee's from R/E making comments about sorting Camross out next year?, even R/E refs attacking the referee at half time in the dressing room is just shocking, were is the fair play here when officials are intimidating others? in the second half there were 12 frees awarded to R/E and 1 to Camross and also nearly 5 minutes injury time in the second half when only 2 had been agreed. There would have been murder after the match had Camross not won with this carry on.

As for the few pics on social media circulating and people trying to instigate that its this and that, people really need to see sense here, lads out drinking and celebrating all day like clearly wouldn't see sense at 3 o clock in the morning, I'm certain there was no real malicious in any of it. At this stage people really need to accept the fact that Camross have won.

R/E people have really showed there class over there attitude and comments since being beat on Sunday, they really are nothing but sore losers. Camross are champions for 2018 and in doing so have beat R/E 4 times this year so they are in my opinion and on paper worthy champions.


This !!

My god I've read some shite in my time but you get first prize all day long

So its ok then for officials from other clubs to do this when there own clubs are playing? The stats speak for themselves 12 to 1
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
Reading through all these comments here and social media its nothing short of a disgrace the way the camross team and people are being portrayed. The incident itself wasn't as bad as what is stated, king himself ran 40 yards to get involved so technically going by the rules that's a third man tackle and a red card for himself, an incident that last 30 seconds on the day has been circulated in slow motion and stretched to 1 minute and 40 seconds and looks way worse than what actually happened, Laois Today themselves have a lot to answer for, unfortunate what happened to king but these things happen sometimes in hurling and its not just in Laois or not just teams like Camross.

The standard of refs in the county is a joke, reading through FB and referee's from R/E making comments about sorting Camross out next year?, even R/E refs attacking the referee at half time in the dressing room is just shocking, were is the fair play here when officials are intimidating others? in the second half there were 12 frees awarded to R/E and 1 to Camross and also nearly 5 minutes injury time in the second half when only 2 had been agreed. There would have been murder after the match had Camross not won with this carry on.

As for the few pics on social media circulating and people trying to instigate that its this and that, people really need to see sense here, lads out drinking and celebrating all day like clearly wouldn't see sense at 3 o clock in the morning, I'm certain there was no real malicious in any of it. At this stage people really need to accept the fact that Camross have won.

R/E people have really showed there class over there attitude and comments since being beat on Sunday, they really are nothing but sore losers. Camross are champions for 2018 and in doing so have beat R/E 4 times this year so they are in my opinion and on paper worthy champions.


This !!

My god I've read some shite in my time but you get first prize all day long

So its ok then for officials from other clubs to do this when there own clubs are playing? The stats speak for themselves 12 to 1


From "the incident itself wasn't as bad as stated" you kinda gave away where you're from !

Stop talking shite and if you think it's ok for players to be making a mockery of other players especially fellow county team mates then there is really no hope for you
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Leixlad on October 11, 2018, 11:42:28 AM
Reading through all these comments here and social media its nothing short of a disgrace the way the camross team and people are being portrayed. The incident itself wasn't as bad as what is stated, king himself ran 40 yards to get involved so technically going by the rules that's a third man tackle and a red card for himself, an incident that last 30 seconds on the day has been circulated in slow motion and stretched to 1 minute and 40 seconds and looks way worse than what actually happened, Laois Today themselves have a lot to answer for, unfortunate what happened to king but these things happen sometimes in hurling and its not just in Laois or not just teams like Camross.

The standard of refs in the county is a joke, reading through FB and referee's from R/E making comments about sorting Camross out next year?, even R/E refs attacking the referee at half time in the dressing room is just shocking, were is the fair play here when officials are intimidating others? in the second half there were 12 frees awarded to R/E and 1 to Camross and also nearly 5 minutes injury time in the second half when only 2 had been agreed. There would have been murder after the match had Camross not won with this carry on.

As for the few pics on social media circulating and people trying to instigate that its this and that, people really need to see sense here, lads out drinking and celebrating all day like clearly wouldn't see sense at 3 o clock in the morning, I'm certain there was no real malicious in any of it. At this stage people really need to accept the fact that Camross have won.

R/E people have really showed there class over there attitude and comments since being beat on Sunday, they really are nothing but sore losers. Camross are champions for 2018 and in doing so have beat R/E 4 times this year so they are in my opinion and on paper worthy champions.

I stopped reading at "40 yards", hard to look past such a blatant lie. Anyone care to bullet point the rest of it?



- Everyone except Camross are a disgrace
- looks worse in slowmotion
- King deserved it
- Wasnt Camross fault
- All teams play like this
- Laois todays fault
- Reffs fault
- Pictures are Bulmers fault
- Rathdowneys fault
- Rathdowney have bad manners online

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 11:45:14 AM
Ah come on you left out the best bit

. Camross are worthy champions
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Leixlad on October 11, 2018, 11:46:15 AM
Ah come on you left out the best bit

. Camross are worthy champions

Sorry, couldn't take myself to write it
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 11:48:31 AM
Reading through all these comments here and social media its nothing short of a disgrace the way the camross team and people are being portrayed. The incident itself wasn't as bad as what is stated, king himself ran 40 yards to get involved so technically going by the rules that's a third man tackle and a red card for himself, an incident that last 30 seconds on the day has been circulated in slow motion and stretched to 1 minute and 40 seconds and looks way worse than what actually happened, Laois Today themselves have a lot to answer for, unfortunate what happened to king but these things happen sometimes in hurling and its not just in Laois or not just teams like Camross.

The standard of refs in the county is a joke, reading through FB and referee's from R/E making comments about sorting Camross out next year?, even R/E refs attacking the referee at half time in the dressing room is just shocking, were is the fair play here when officials are intimidating others? in the second half there were 12 frees awarded to R/E and 1 to Camross and also nearly 5 minutes injury time in the second half when only 2 had been agreed. There would have been murder after the match had Camross not won with this carry on.

As for the few pics on social media circulating and people trying to instigate that its this and that, people really need to see sense here, lads out drinking and celebrating all day like clearly wouldn't see sense at 3 o clock in the morning, I'm certain there was no real malicious in any of it. At this stage people really need to accept the fact that Camross have won.

R/E people have really showed there class over there attitude and comments since being beat on Sunday, they really are nothing but sore losers. Camross are champions for 2018 and in doing so have beat R/E 4 times this year so they are in my opinion and on paper worthy champions.

I stopped reading at "40 yards", hard to look past such a blatant lie. Anyone care to bullet point the rest of it?



- Everyone except Camross are a disgrace
- looks worse in slowmotion
- King deserved it
- Wasnt Camross fault
- All teams play like this
- Laois todays fault
- Reffs fault
- Pictures are Bulmers fault
- Rathdowneys fault
- Rathdowney have bad manners online
We have a bit of a comedian/comedienne on our hands.  Welcome culchy, how many points did you get in your leaving cert?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 11:49:35 AM
All that aside, who is a disgrace or who isn't,I'm not getting into a slagging match as everyone is entitled to an opinion on the incident, there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.

The carry on of the ref and R/E officials is the biggest disgrace. How ye can sit back and condone / brush aside what supposedly happened in the ref's dressing room at half time is unreal.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 11:50:04 AM
Ah come on you left out the best bit

. Camross are worthy champions

Sorry, couldn't take myself to write it


Ah don't be bitter sure they won it fair and square
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 11:50:42 AM
Ah come on you left out the best bit

. Camross are worthy champions

Sorry, couldn't take myself to write it

Begrudging success well done ye  ;D
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 11:54:54 AM
Ah come on you left out the best bit

. Camross are worthy champions

Sorry, couldn't take myself to write it

Begrudging success well done ye  ;D


 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 11:59:37 AM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 12:02:14 PM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Actually FACT is teeth were not knocked out from what I've heard, have u seen the clip in real time? just very unfortunate the cut on his lip
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 12:05:32 PM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Actually FACT is teeth were not knocked out from what I've heard, have u seen the clip in real time? just very unfortunate the cut on his lip
Again, you're playing loose and fast with the word FACT. If its a fact that teeth weren't knock out, then you don't back it up with "from what I've heard".
Don't worry, the INTERNET can be daunting, but we're here to help you through it. You'll make a fine Goebbels in time.

Now, what did you get in your Leaving Cert?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 12:08:58 PM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Actually FACT is teeth were not knocked out from what I've heard, have u seen the clip in real time? just very unfortunate the cut on his lip
Again, you're playing loose and fast with the word FACT. If its a fact that teeth weren't knock out, then you don't back it up with "from what I've heard".
Don't worry, the INTERNET can be daunting, but we're here to help you through it. You'll make a fine Goebbels in time.

Now, what did you get in your Leaving Cert?

Is a question like that meant to be insulting ? lol
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 11, 2018, 12:10:07 PM
Don’t worry they will get their lesson in Leinster just like Mount Leinster Rangers gave them last year
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 12:11:16 PM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Actually FACT is teeth were not knocked out from what I've heard, have u seen the clip in real time? just very unfortunate the cut on his lip
Again, you're playing loose and fast with the word FACT. If its a fact that teeth weren't knock out, then you don't back it up with "from what I've heard".
Don't worry, the INTERNET can be daunting, but we're here to help you through it. You'll make a fine Goebbels in time.

Now, what did you get in your Leaving Cert?

Is a question like that meant to be insulting ? lol
Not meaning to be insulting at all, why so defensive?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Actually FACT is teeth were not knocked out from what I've heard, have u seen the clip in real time? just very unfortunate the cut on his lip


Maybe Palmer might like to grow a pair and give Ross King a call. He'll let him know if teeth were knocked out or not
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 12:13:26 PM
Don’t worry they will get their lesson in Leinster just like Mount Leinster Rangers gave them last year
Is it R/E or Camross that have Leinster club titles ? ;D All these negative anti camross comments will do nothing but drive them on, ye do know that??
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 12:14:33 PM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Actually FACT is teeth were not knocked out from what I've heard, have u seen the clip in real time? just very unfortunate the cut on his lip
Again, you're playing loose and fast with the word FACT. If its a fact that teeth weren't knock out, then you don't back it up with "from what I've heard".
Don't worry, the INTERNET can be daunting, but we're here to help you through it. You'll make a fine Goebbels in time.

Now, what did you get in your Leaving Cert?

Is a question like that meant to be insulting ? lol
Not meaning to be insulting at all, why so defensive?
Referring to a person's leaving cert lol seriously like
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 12:15:27 PM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Actually FACT is teeth were not knocked out from what I've heard, have u seen the clip in real time? just very unfortunate the cut on his lip
Again, you're playing loose and fast with the word FACT. If its a fact that teeth weren't knock out, then you don't back it up with "from what I've heard".
Don't worry, the INTERNET can be daunting, but we're here to help you through it. You'll make a fine Goebbels in time.

Now, what did you get in your Leaving Cert?

Is a question like that meant to be insulting ? lol
Not meaning to be insulting at all, why so defensive?
Referring to a person's leaving cert lol seriously like
Junior Cert? Inter? Just taking an interest. You seem awfully defensive over it.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 12:16:06 PM
Don’t worry they will get their lesson in Leinster just like Mount Leinster Rangers gave them last year
Is it R/E or Camross that have Leinster club titles ? ;D All these negative anti camross comments will do nothing but drive them on, ye do know that??


Ah yes when all else fails ........
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 11, 2018, 12:16:45 PM
I’m actually a Camross man . Just tryna drive my lads on Yano 😉
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 12:17:45 PM
there has been far worse done on GAA fields up and down the country and that's a fact.
Writing fact at the end of a sentence does not make everything beforehand FACT.

Also, just because a man gets brain damage on some field in Ulster, doesn't make it ok to knock a lads teeth down his throat on a field in Laois.

FACT. END OF.
Actually FACT is teeth were not knocked out from what I've heard, have u seen the clip in real time? just very unfortunate the cut on his lip
Again, you're playing loose and fast with the word FACT. If its a fact that teeth weren't knock out, then you don't back it up with "from what I've heard".
Don't worry, the INTERNET can be daunting, but we're here to help you through it. You'll make a fine Goebbels in time.

Now, what did you get in your Leaving Cert?

Is a question like that meant to be insulting ? lol
Not meaning to be insulting at all, why so defensive?
Referring to a person's leaving cert lol seriously like
Junior Cert? Inter? Just taking an interest. You seem awfully defensive over it.
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lol im actually laughing away to myself here
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 12:19:53 PM
Hows the Thursday Club going anyway?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 11, 2018, 12:24:59 PM
Don’t worry they will get their lesson in Leinster just like Mount Leinster Rangers gave them last year
Is it R/E or Camross that have Leinster club titles ? ;D All these negative anti camross comments will do nothing but drive them on, ye do know that??

Drive them on to get bet in the first round of the leinster club championship,the only saving grace in all this is that the rest of the country especially Wexford, knows Ye now for the crowd of knacks ye are and will be well prepared
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
Don’t worry they will get their lesson in Leinster just like Mount Leinster Rangers gave them last year
Is it R/E or Camross that have Leinster club titles ? ;D All these negative anti camross comments will do nothing but drive them on, ye do know that??

Drive them on to get bet in the first round of the leinster club championship,the only saving grace in all this is that the rest of the country especially Wexford, knows Ye now for the crowd of knacks ye are and will be well prepared



Ah come on the whole county will be behind them all the way to the final !
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 11, 2018, 01:04:51 PM
Don’t worry they will get their lesson in Leinster just like Mount Leinster Rangers gave them last year
Is it R/E or Camross that have Leinster club titles ? ;D All these negative anti camross comments will do nothing but drive them on, ye do know that??

Drive them on to get bet in the first round of the leinster club championship,the only saving grace in all this is that the rest of the country especially Wexford, knows Ye now for the crowd of knacks ye are and will be well prepared



Ah come on the whole county will be behind them all the way to the final !

Delusional
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 11, 2018, 01:16:31 PM
Culchy, please stop!  ;D

There is no excuse for that carry on, end of.
It was on purpose.
Anyone who knows anything about hurling, can see King was going to shoulder Dooley, and to be honest, the R/E players are very quiet in my opinion, John Purcell in particular, how they didnt react more ill never know, fair play to them.
Camross’s filth is finally being highlighted properly and they dont like it.
Id say Culchy is that Thomas Keyes fella!  ;)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 01:37:27 PM
Culchy, please stop!  ;D

There is no excuse for that carry on, end of.
It was on purpose.
Anyone who knows anything about hurling, can see King was going to shoulder Dooley, and to be honest, the R/E players are very quiet in my opinion, John Purcell in particular, how they didnt react more ill never know, fair play to them.
Camross’s filth is finally being highlighted properly and they dont like it.
Id say Culchy is that Thomas Keyes fella!  ;)


In fairness they showed great restraint, thankfully because it could have ended up nastier than it did.
R/E are an honest team who want to hurl.

Pity Camross will never be put under the same bracket
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 11, 2018, 01:38:39 PM
Thomas Keyes is now officially on the forum 😂😂
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 01:50:57 PM
Thomas Keyes is now officially on the forum 😂😂


He seems to have gone again.  Well he is from Camross and they do seem to be cowardly
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 02:40:50 PM
Thomas Keyes is now officially on the forum 😂😂


He seems to have gone again.  Well he is from Camross and they do seem to be cowardly

Not very wise posting peoples names on forums and social media and assuming its them

I am not Thomas Keyes

LOVEGAA - your comment on cowardly lol you hiding behind a forum, love to know what you have achieved on the field of play or where always the one shouting from a side line??
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 02:51:05 PM
Thomas Keyes is now officially on the forum 😂😂


He seems to have gone again.  Well he is from Camross and they do seem to be cowardly

Not very wise posting peoples names on forums and social media and assuming its them

I am not Thomas Keyes

LOVEGAA - your comment on cowardly lol you hiding behind a forum, love to know what you have achieved on the field of play or where always the one shouting from a side line??


And that's relevant how?

If you cannot see what happened on Sunday was wrong and at best cynical, and what happened on social media after disrespectful then it's a sad reflection on you.

Camross people can argue all they like, the rest of the county now know for a fact what they have always suspected
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 11, 2018, 03:39:47 PM
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/341174/opinion-if-winning-isn-t-enough-than-maybe-sport-isn-t-for-you.html (https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/gaelic-games/341174/opinion-if-winning-isn-t-enough-than-maybe-sport-isn-t-for-you.html)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 11, 2018, 03:47:09 PM
Excellent piece.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 04:14:07 PM
Well done Rory Delaney
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: BallyroanAbu on October 11, 2018, 04:27:28 PM
Quality piece of journalism.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 11, 2018, 04:57:52 PM
Thomas Keyes is now officially on the forum 😂😂


He seems to have gone again.  Well he is from Camross and they do seem to be cowardly

Not very wise posting peoples names on forums and social media and assuming its them

I am not Thomas Keyes

LOVEGAA - your comment on cowardly lol you hiding behind a forum, love to know what you have achieved on the field of play or where always the one shouting from a side line??

Some redneck from camross lecturing us on social media and forum etiquette

The Irony
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 06:07:26 PM
Clonadmad do you not know there's different rules for Camross?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 11, 2018, 07:04:41 PM
This post has now reached 26 pages ☺, exactly the amount of senior titles camross have, such a fitting to end to end the conversation 😉
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 07:09:47 PM
Ah god love you... .... glad we didn't keep you waiting too long to get that one liner in.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 11, 2018, 07:18:25 PM
Well... - it is getting a little tedious.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 07:23:41 PM
Ah let him have his fun. He might just give a little count on how many pages are filled with disgust at his club
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 11, 2018, 07:42:02 PM
So culchy is from Camross and made an account just so he can defend his clubs antics at the weekend ? This is what it sounds like
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 11, 2018, 07:45:06 PM
That whole place should be fenced off back into Offaly where it came from and where it belongs. They are no good to Laois. From senior to u14, all our squads are missing Camross lads who are good enough but won’t commit. They’re much happier to be the big fish, playing league matches on a Tuesday night instead of being in the training centre with the other county standard hurlers.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 07:53:04 PM
I wouldn't want any of them representing my county
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 07:56:19 PM
Hang on now, plenty of Camross men have represented this county with pride and distinction. Even Zane whom many will give grief to put his body on the line on many occasions for Laois. We should temper the blanket painting of the club with this knowledge. What happened Sunday was wrong, that they’ve circled the wagons isn’t surprising, it’s merely disappointing.

May I also commend Rory Delaney for a well thought out piece.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 07:59:35 PM
Don i said i wouldn't want any of them representing laois.  Not talking about past .
If as a team and club they cannot conduct themselves they wouldn't be much of an addition.

Every year we hear calls for them to go with laois and yet they don't turn up
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 11, 2018, 08:24:57 PM
What Camross guys should be on the Laois panel ? Zane Keenan, Ciaran Collier . Anyone else ?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on October 11, 2018, 08:27:05 PM
That whole place should be fenced off back into Offaly where it came from and where it belongs. They are no good to Laois. From senior to u14, all our squads are missing Camross lads who are good enough but won’t commit. They’re much happier to be the big fish, playing league matches on a Tuesday night instead of being in the training centre with the other county standard hurlers.

Nah we don’t want them. We’re currently trying to rid ourselves of the Camross of Offaly, Shinrone. Well except Shinrone have and will forever win NOTHING. The sooner they f**k off back to Tipp the better.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 11, 2018, 08:34:22 PM
Hang on now, plenty of Camross men have represented this county with pride and distinction. Even Zane whom many will give grief to put his body on the line on many occasions for Laois. We should temper the blanket painting of the club with this knowledge. What happened Sunday was wrong, that they’ve circled the wagons isn’t surprising, it’s merely disappointing.

May I also commend Rory Delaney for a well thought out piece.

I’m not talking about the ones who have. I’m taking about the huge numbers who haven’t. They have way more opt outs than all other clubs.

And don’t get me going on Zane. What a waste of talent. He’d much rather be a hero hitting line balls up the mountain than challenging himself against good players like the limerick or galway backs in the NHL
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 11, 2018, 08:40:57 PM
Hang on now, plenty of Camross men have represented this county with pride and distinction. Even Zane whom many will give grief to put his body on the line on many occasions for Laois. We should temper the blanket painting of the club with this knowledge. What happened Sunday was wrong, that they’ve circled the wagons isn’t surprising, it’s merely disappointing.

May I also commend Rory Delaney for a well thought out piece.

I’m not talking about the ones who have. I’m taking about the huge numbers who haven’t. They have way more opt outs than all other clubs.

And don’t get me going on Zane. What a waste of talent. He’d much rather be a hero hitting line balls up the mountain than challenging himself against good players like the limerick or galway backs in the NHL
Harsh. Zane did all of that. You may not have liked that he didn't go in year on year, but he gave good commitment under Chedd, and its worth remembering that he wrecked his knee while playing for Laois.

I merely said its worth bearing in mind those who have, when throwing around the abuse, which a few are doing.

Whether the current do or don't commit, thats a different matter entirely.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 11, 2018, 08:46:12 PM
A lot of proud Camross men and women are disgusted by what happened.

It's wrong to paint them all with the same brush and only serves to allow those responsible to hide amongst all the furore.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 08:57:09 PM
A lot of proud Camross men and women are disgusted by what happened.

It's wrong to paint them all with the same brush and only serves to allow those responsible to hide amongst all the furore.

I would feel for the genuine supporters but I'd imagine the majority don't care what anyone thinks today.

Hurling in laois reached a low on Sunday. I thought the semi final was bad but when a mentor can do what was done at the b/k match I can only see it getting worse
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 11, 2018, 08:58:16 PM
What Camross guys should be on the Laois panel ? Zane Keenan, Ciaran Collier . Anyone else ?

Zane's not likely to go in, but Collier would be a great addition. Gearoid Burke would add a bit of steel to the backs, too... But, alas, unlikely to go, either.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 11, 2018, 09:02:17 PM
A lot of proud Camross men and women are disgusted by what happened.

It's wrong to paint them all with the same brush and only serves to allow those responsible to hide amongst all the furore.

I would feel for the genuine supporters but I'd imagine the majority don't care what anyone thinks today.

Hurling in laois reached a low on Sunday. I thought the semi final was bad but when a mentor can do what was done at the b/k match I can only see it getting worse


A new low? What are you on about? Not remember the Camross/ Castletown sagas, or the Portlaoise/ Camross bust-ups? Or the several Clonaslee 'incidents'? It was bad, but far from a 'new low'.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 11, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
Do you not think a lot of it had been cleaned up in the last few years?   I actually think things had improved a bit.  We had started to see some good clean hurling and now I feel we are slipping

It's only a couple of years back when we had a great match between r/e and b/know that gave great hope but alas nothing has progressed much
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 11, 2018, 11:17:19 PM
That's a lot of big matches won over the years where these "tactics" were used!
It didn't start last Sunday!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 12, 2018, 12:13:16 AM
This forum has gone crazy in recent days 😂😂
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 12, 2018, 09:11:47 AM
That's a lot of big matches won over the years where these "tactics" were used!
It didn't start last Sunday!

I think it was the combination of cynical tactics, officials with no backbone and social media mockery that has everyone up in arms.

Now culchy we have reached page 27 so there's a little motivation for next year !
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 12, 2018, 09:52:09 AM
Hang on now, plenty of Camross men have represented this county with pride and distinction. Even Zane whom many will give grief to put his body on the line on many occasions for Laois. We should temper the blanket painting of the club with this knowledge. What happened Sunday was wrong, that they’ve circled the wagons isn’t surprising, it’s merely disappointing.

May I also commend Rory Delaney for a well thought out piece.

I’m not talking about the ones who have. I’m taking about the huge numbers who haven’t. They have way more opt outs than all other clubs.

And don’t get me going on Zane. What a waste of talent. He’d much rather be a hero hitting line balls up the mountain than challenging himself against good players like the limerick or galway backs in the NHL
Harsh. Zane did all of that. You may not have liked that he didn't go in year on year, but he gave good commitment under Chedd, and its worth remembering that he wrecked his knee while playing for Laois.

I merely said its worth bearing in mind those who have, when throwing around the abuse, which a few are doing.

Whether the current do or don't commit, thats a different matter entirely.

I would agree with Don here. What happened on Sunday was a bad affair however it's unfair to tar the whole of Camross. Sure, there should/could be more from Camross on the team but that's notthe issue here.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on October 12, 2018, 10:12:47 AM
Any update or word from the CCC meeting of the Laois board last night ??
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 12, 2018, 09:46:14 PM
2 match ban for Dooley i hear, dont think anything else came of the meeting last night. Ban starts next years championship. You’d love to have seen more bans handed out but in reality thats all our county board was ever going to do, and thats only because of the media scrutiny.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 12, 2018, 11:13:36 PM
2 match ban for Dooley i hear, dont think anything else came of the meeting last night. Ban starts next years championship. You’d love to have seen more bans handed out but in reality thats all our county board was ever going to do, and thats only because of the media scrutiny.

Had to be seen to do something. Not much good to RE now. Should have been dealt with on the day.

I see a video of the semi final doing rounds now. Not pleasant viewing either
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 12, 2018, 11:43:51 PM
Yes seen that, and the ref standing in the middle of it! and if you watch closely you’ll see a familiar looking no.7 working the butt of the hurl towards someones face  ::)
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 13, 2018, 12:13:09 AM
Yes seen that, and the ref standing in the middle of it! and if you watch closely you’ll see a familiar looking no.7 working the butt of the hurl towards someones face  ::)


And not 1 red card in either match.  O'brien has a lot to answer for.
Hurling is a tough game but this is just madness. Shame on camross
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 23, 2018, 06:40:58 PM
Well it seems like any hurler can do whatever they want on the field now and there will be zero repercussions!! Hard to fathom!
And a referee was banned, but not the ref that you’d expect!  ???
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Helix on October 23, 2018, 06:41:14 PM
https://www.laoistoday.ie/2018/10/23/camross-suspension-lifted-as-referee-banned-for-county-final-incident/

From one farce to another. Dooley free to play for Camross in Leinster Club. Anthony Stapleton 4 week suspension.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Behindthefence on October 23, 2018, 07:08:51 PM
A lot of things can and have been debated on here to death. Who is at fault, what should have happened, was it on purpose etc.
However, wether on purpose or not what happened to Ross King in the melee was a red card offence and the fact that Camross as a club appealed or sought a hearing for this is nothing short of a disgrace.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 23, 2018, 07:43:55 PM
I thought it couldn't get any worse but was I wrong!

Absolute joke from the arrogance of Camrose to appeal to suspension for Stapleton. 
I'd say we're the laughing stock of the country
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: The Rover on October 23, 2018, 07:48:25 PM
not in the least bit surprised, Camross have been getting away with thuggery for years and the C.B. are always glad to turn a blind eye and reward them.
other clubs do not get the same leniency. I agree with suspension of Stapleton
but the ability or lack of ability of the Tipperary ref has to be questioned following his performance in semi final and final.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 23, 2018, 07:49:37 PM
I can’t think of a more effective way to turn parents off GAA in Laois. What kind of sponsor would support this sham?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 23, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
I can’t think of a more effective way to turn parents off GAA in Laois. What kind of sponsor would support this sham?


I'd imagine it will turn more than parents off
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 23, 2018, 08:13:42 PM
By the way, the idea that you can have one referee confronting another in this way is also ridiculous. You’d imagine Stapleton would have enough sense.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: merman on October 23, 2018, 10:00:27 PM
A lot of things can and have been debated on here to death. Who is at fault, what should have happened, was it on purpose etc.
However, wether on purpose or not what happened to Ross King in the melee was a red card offence and the fact that Camross as a club appealed or sought a hearing for this is nothing short of a disgrace.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 23, 2018, 10:23:28 PM
A lot of things can and have been debated on here to death. Who is at fault, what should have happened, was it on purpose etc.
However, wether on purpose or not what happened to Ross King in the melee was a red card offence and the fact that Camross as a club appealed or sought a hearing for this is nothing short of a disgrace.

My thoughts exactly.

Ban lifted just as disgraceful . Quiet enough for the last few weeks but see them posting on Facebook basically laughing at it all

Wonder will they be as brave outside the county
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on October 24, 2018, 08:31:32 AM
It may be a joke, but the reality of Laois GAA at the minute is that Camross knew they would get him off so they would be nuts not to enact that power.


Laois hurling is so f*cked up its unreal. How Brennan can move this county forward at county level is beyond me.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: High Fielder on October 24, 2018, 08:57:02 AM
And to think, Bruno couldn't get his ban overturned for a bit of handbags stuff. I would urge the CB to think long and hard about what they are doing.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on October 24, 2018, 09:11:09 AM
Obviously the GAA disciplinary system is full of loopholes, and any club - not just Camross - will exploit this to get one of their own off. I've seen outsiders brought in and paid to appeal suspensions for worse than what happened in the county final. Anyway, I presume he's off because the Leinster championship is a separate competition, and the ban will only apply to next year's SHC?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: High Fielder on October 24, 2018, 09:21:50 AM
Can you impose a suspension if a player has not been sent off for an incident? Did he get a yellow on the day?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 24, 2018, 09:32:20 AM
Obviously the GAA disciplinary system is full of loopholes, and any club - not just Camross - will exploit this to get one of their own off. I've seen outsiders brought in and paid to appeal suspensions for worse than what happened in the county final. Anyway, I presume he's off because the Leinster championship is a separate competition, and the ban will only apply to next year's SHC?
It says a lot about this club that they chose this route. The same as it said about other clubs who forged ESB documents for transfers, took transfers to the DRA etc etc. of course they’ve every right to but they don’t have to. There’s some honour in life and sport still, there’s none in actions like this. May the stench of their actions permeate through the ages and consume the very Jersey’s they wear.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: ollie12 on October 24, 2018, 11:37:51 AM
Don't go blaming the county board etc for the player getting the suspension lifted. It's the GAA as a whole. There are obviously different loopholes within the rules and this is how he got off. It wasn't as if laois county board said we'll suspend him for a couple of games and then a few weeks later they said, do you know what, we'll just let him off, no suspension. The justice system and appeals system is a complete joke within the GAA.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: finbar o tool on October 24, 2018, 11:50:42 AM
Don't go blaming the county board etc for the player getting the suspension lifted. It's the GAA as a whole. There are obviously different loopholes within the rules and this is how he got off. It wasn't as if laois county board said we'll suspend him for a couple of games and then a few weeks later they said, do you know what, we'll just let him off, no suspension. The justice system and appeals system is a complete joke within the GAA.

I heard nothing official about loopholes, only heard the appeals committee have decided to let him off with no punishment! Until i hear different then yes the CB is at fault. And its gas, you see people on social media actually arguing whether he should have been sent off for a hurl into another players face, or the numerous wild pulls before that! They’re should have been 3 red cards! And the ref should not get away without having his performance looked at.
And all this is sending a message to every Gaa player that they can act the thug and get away with it. Simple as that!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 24, 2018, 11:55:41 AM
Don't go blaming the county board etc for the player getting the suspension lifted. It's the GAA as a whole. There are obviously different loopholes within the rules and this is how he got off. It wasn't as if laois county board said we'll suspend him for a couple of games and then a few weeks later they said, do you know what, we'll just let him off, no suspension. The justice system and appeals system is a complete joke within the GAA.

The county board have to take some of the blame for letting O'Brien near the final. They have seen O'Brien in action and yet continued to give him games.

Im sure any player watching all this unfold is wondering if it is worth it to tog out for club or county when player welfare obviously isn't a top priority with our County Board.

How any club is let away with what went on in both games and on the side line is unbelievable
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: ollie12 on October 24, 2018, 12:06:53 PM
To my knowledge the appeals  board are made up of four or five  people from various clubs. I could be wrong on this.  If so its got nothing to do with the county board.  But yes, the county board should take some slack for letting that referee do the final. And bye the way, I'm not in any way condoning or defending  the actions of the player.  I think he should serve a lengthy suspension.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: High Fielder on October 24, 2018, 01:04:49 PM
The CB imposed the ban did they not? They must have had conclusive video evidence to do so if the referee didn't see it on the day. And if they had such evidence, and the referee didn't see it, then any ban imposed would have stood. Obviously there is no video evidence, and as such, any decision made by the referee is all that counts.

The CB are making too many mistakes in my opinion. Their handling of transfers seems to be very different depending on the clubs involved. They tried to block Daly but granted the Kingstons a transfer no bother. Same circumstances but different approaches.

Then you had the bans lifted four years in a row but not Bruno's. I have to say there's more than a bit of a whiff off some of their decision making.

On what basis did they impose the two game ban? That's the crux of the matter
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 24, 2018, 01:40:37 PM
The CB imposed the ban did they not? They must have had conclusive video evidence to do so if the referee didn't see it on the day. And if they had such evidence, and the referee didn't see it, then any ban imposed would have stood. Obviously there is no video evidence, and as such, any decision made by the referee is all that counts.

The CB are making too many mistakes in my opinion. Their handling of transfers seems to be very different depending on the clubs involved. They tried to block Daly but granted the Kingstons a transfer no bother. Same circumstances but different approaches.

Then you had the bans lifted four years in a row but not Bruno's. I have to say there's more than a bit of a whiff off some of their decision making.

On what basis did they impose the two game ban? That's the crux of the matter


It doesn't make sense. If county board used video evidence well then they saw something that supported ban so why did the appeal committee not see it.

Stapleton gets 4 weeks for verbal and ban lifted for physical for Camross. Something very wrong with this

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Goku on October 24, 2018, 02:47:00 PM
County Board will have a different outlook next Year if no R/E players turns up to Play with Laois and if one of the Top Ref's in the county quits.. Ridiculous decision. Stapleton should know better to though.. Not the first time he has argued with Refs following an R/E loss. Its not his place 
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Jd on October 24, 2018, 02:51:42 PM
I'd  imagine this ban was lifted on some technical  point.  County  board tried to deal with  it and I'd  imagine some genius  found a way around it.  The culture  of the gaa  is to find a way around bans no matter what harm it causes.  Rugby and soccer  tend to just accept  the ban and move on
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 24, 2018, 02:53:13 PM
County Board will have a different outlook next Year if no R/E players turns up to Play with Laois and if one of the Top Ref's in the county quits.. Ridiculous decision. Stapleton should know better to though.. Not the first time he has argued with Refs following an R/E loss. Its not his place
His behaviour was unacceptable and couldn't be let go.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 24, 2018, 02:59:00 PM
The county board in this county really is a tv comedy show at this stage . Camross probably blackmailed them to overturn it or else none  of their players would commit to the county this year. Wouldn’t surprise me. Rathdowney Errill must be disgusted especially Ross King
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 24, 2018, 03:01:25 PM
County Board will have a different outlook next Year if no R/E players turns up to Play with Laois and if one of the Top Ref's in the county quits.. Ridiculous decision. Stapleton should know better to though.. Not the first time he has argued with Refs following an R/E loss. Its not his place
His behaviour was unacceptable and couldn't be let go.

Which is fair enough, but laughable when you look at the other ban
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 24, 2018, 04:51:50 PM
County Board will have a different outlook next Year if no R/E players turns up to Play with Laois and if one of the Top Ref's in the county quits.. Ridiculous decision. Stapleton should know better to though.. Not the first time he has argued with Refs following an R/E loss. Its not his place
His behaviour was unacceptable and couldn't be let go.

Which is fair enough, but laughable when you look at the other ban

There is more to the story doing the rounds that Stapleton was arguing with the ref at half time, rumour has it he assaulted a county board official who is now taking legal action against him, he will be lucky if a 4 week ban is all he gets.

The appeal on Dooley was probably lifted as the county board had no grounds to suspend him as the referee had dealt with the situation by giving the yellow card. Again very unfortunate what happened King but he ran 40 yards after the whistle had be blown to get involved and watching the clip in REAL time it looks like an unfortunate accident that was caused by himself running at speed and Dooley turning to protect himself.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 24, 2018, 04:53:58 PM
County Board will have a different outlook next Year if no R/E players turns up to Play with Laois and if one of the Top Ref's in the county quits.. Ridiculous decision. Stapleton should know better to though.. Not the first time he has argued with Refs following an R/E loss. Its not his place
His behaviour was unacceptable and couldn't be let go.

Which is fair enough, but laughable when you look at the other ban

There is more to the story doing the rounds that Stapleton was arguing with the ref at half time, rumour has it he assaulted a county board official who is now taking legal action against him, he will be lucky if a 4 week ban is all he gets.

The appeal on Dooley was probably lifted as the county board had no grounds to suspend him as the referee had dealt with the situation by giving the yellow card. Again very unfortunate what happened King but he ran 40 yards after the whistle had be blown to get involved and watching the clip in REAL time it looks like an unfortunate accident that was caused by himself running at speed and Dooley turning to protect himself.


Culchy is back !!  Would you ever f***  off with the shite you are coming out with

Looking at the video in REAL time is actually worse
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: culchy on October 24, 2018, 04:58:04 PM
County Board will have a different outlook next Year if no R/E players turns up to Play with Laois and if one of the Top Ref's in the county quits.. Ridiculous decision. Stapleton should know better to though.. Not the first time he has argued with Refs following an R/E loss. Its not his place
His behaviour was unacceptable and couldn't be let go.

Which is fair enough, but laughable when you look at the other ban

There is more to the story doing the rounds that Stapleton was arguing with the ref at half time, rumour has it he assaulted a county board official who is now taking legal action against him, he will be lucky if a 4 week ban is all he gets.

The appeal on Dooley was probably lifted as the county board had no grounds to suspend him as the referee had dealt with the situation by giving the yellow card. Again very unfortunate what happened King but he ran 40 yards after the whistle had be blown to get involved and watching the clip in REAL time it looks like an unfortunate accident that was caused by himself running at speed and Dooley turning to protect himself.


Culchy is back !!  Would you ever f***  off with the shite you are coming out with

Looking at the video in REAL time is actually worse
How do u make it out to be worse , the incident is King is over after seconds, its a thing of nothing
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: High Fielder on October 24, 2018, 05:10:44 PM
Culchy, your player has been exonerated. I don't see any point in stirring the pot. The situation was bad and the CB made it worse. It's not even a loophole if the decision of the referee can't conclusively be overturned. The CB obviously feel that the referee made the incorrect decision at the time and decided to dish out their own sanction. At best, the referee should never officiate at this level again. At worst, the CB don't understand the procedures. A bit of clarification would be welcome
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 24, 2018, 05:15:00 PM
Culchy if you looked into it you will see stapleton approached obrien after the match not at half time

The fact that the incident is over in seconds makes it ok??
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on October 24, 2018, 05:29:49 PM
Stapleton should have more sense, though I do like him as a referee.
Culchy , High Fielder is correct, no need to stir the pot ,it's over.
Collier well deserving hurler of the year. Brilliant displays in semi and final.
 
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Moregroundhurling on October 24, 2018, 08:27:13 PM
Stapleton gets a ban for a comment on social media. Camross player's get no repurcussions for their actions on social media.🤐
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Laoiseabu on October 24, 2018, 10:46:52 PM
Stapleton gets a ban for a comment on social media. Camross player's get no repurcussions for their actions on social media.🤐
The more authority you have the harder you’ll fall
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on October 24, 2018, 11:22:57 PM
Stapleton gets a ban for a comment on social media. Camross player's get no repurcussions for their actions on social media.🤐


Stapleton got a ban for abusing and threatening the referee after the game outside the referee dressing room and then followed him out to the car park and further abuse and threaten him. And when Stapleton took a break from abusing him, his wife decided to continue it for him.
Stapleton no angel I can assure you.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on October 25, 2018, 02:34:17 AM
"I could see by my team-mates’ faces that it wasn’t good"
Ross King tells Shane Keegan about the horrific injury that has shocked the game of hurling


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-could-see-by-my-team-mates-faces-that-it-wasnt-good-bnh8cfp9l
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on October 25, 2018, 05:10:56 AM
Camross were never good for Laois hurling it was a saying my grandfather used to say ...

That was back in the 70s ..

I grew up to like players like pj cuddy joe dollard etc ..but  as a club controversy  always followed...

How anyone one can justify what happened says it all to me ...

Who cares if he ran 100 yards to get involved ..he(Roddy) saw the usual wild camross timber pulling outrageously high and went at speed to shoulder a guy but got caught with a cowards reply


A former Dublin county hurler of recent past said to me about 7-8 maybe more years ago when they met camross in the leinster club ...

I thought i had seen it all with wicklow hurling but yere men in black and amber are the dirtiest  team i ever togged out against .


I love laois and always support the clubs who get out of Laois  but by fcuk i hope the crowd from wexford hammer them
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 25, 2018, 10:25:15 AM
"I could see by my team-mates’ faces that it wasn’t good"
Ross King tells Shane Keegan about the horrific injury that has shocked the game of hurling


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-could-see-by-my-team-mates-faces-that-it-wasnt-good-bnh8cfp9l
Well said Roddy, very honest. My youngest sent him a card, nice to see such things were appreciated.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 25, 2018, 10:58:47 AM
Tell's it all when no one made contact after.

Bad sportsmanship but then again what's new with Camross
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 25, 2018, 11:00:28 AM
Tell's it all when no one made contact after.

Bad sportsmanship but then again what's new with Camross
to clarify, someone from Camross did make contact. Just not in an official capacity. Nor did the person in question. If it were an accident, you'd at least have the decency to call and say as much.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 25, 2018, 11:01:43 AM
Sorry Don meant no one that was involved in incident. Should have clarified.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Leixlad on October 25, 2018, 11:16:09 AM
"I could see by my team-mates’ faces that it wasn’t good"
Ross King tells Shane Keegan about the horrific injury that has shocked the game of hurling


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-could-see-by-my-team-mates-faces-that-it-wasnt-good-bnh8cfp9l

Brilliant interview - fair play to him for speaking so honestly about it.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 25, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
A very honest, heart on the sleeve interview. Ross King is 10 times the man that Dooley will ever be. Best of luck in your recovery Ross.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on October 26, 2018, 12:55:11 AM
A couple of points having followed this;

Stapleton is no angel (and id also question his motives- R/E diehard or an opportunity to help bury O’ Brien?). He should know better.

The ban imposed by CB was going to be overturned by a higher body if Camross decided to appeal. Should CB have stuck to their guns & gone ahead & lost the appeal? yes.
BUT was the problem a “technicality” that would have emerged at the next appeal?
Did the CB make an error in what the “proposed ban” was for?
I believe the CB proposed a 2 game ban based on the fact that “the referee didn’t deal with an incident on the day”. That couldn’t possibly stand up to appeal (referee issued a yellow card).

Camross’ complaining of trial by media etc is highly ironic- they have been very fond of sob stories in the papers in the not too distant past.
I can’t see Dooley being the difference between winning & losing the first round of the Leinster Club SHC. He didn’t feature in second half of semi or final.
Camross could have killed the momentum here by accepting the ban. Staggering arrogance, and they are getting what they deserve as a result.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: TheGiantSquid on October 26, 2018, 07:25:01 PM
Anyone else hear the stories coming out from Camrose that D. Dooley was asked not to hurl in the Leinster by management in the wake of the controversy. Seemingly this has led to a players revolt in a "if he doesn't play we won't either" standoff... Hardly ideal preparation for a Leinster run.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 26, 2018, 07:34:40 PM
Anyone else hear the stories coming out from Camrose that D. Dooley was asked not to hurl in the Leinster by management in the wake of the controversy. Seemingly this has led to a players revolt in a "if he doesn't play we won't either" standoff... Hardly ideal preparation for a Leinster run.

A run in Leinster 😂😂😂

If by some fluke they fall over Gorey,they then in all likelihood run into Ballyhale,I’m looking forward to them starting it with the Mullen’s and the Fennelly’s
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on October 26, 2018, 08:43:10 PM
We don't see many flukes for Laois clubs in the club championship.
Think we have only had 1 win in the last 10 year's by all the various clubs.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 26, 2018, 09:21:03 PM
Anyone else hear the stories coming out from Camrose that D. Dooley was asked not to hurl in the Leinster by management in the wake of the controversy. Seemingly this has led to a players revolt in a "if he doesn't play we won't either" standoff... Hardly ideal preparation for a Leinster run.


I'd find this very hard to believe. They are too arrogant to care and after winning the appeal I don't imagine they care what anyone says.
does anyone really believe this story?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on October 26, 2018, 10:37:42 PM
Anyone else hear the stories coming out from Camrose that D. Dooley was asked not to hurl in the Leinster by management in the wake of the controversy. Seemingly this has led to a players revolt in a "if he doesn't play we won't either" standoff... Hardly ideal preparation for a Leinster run.

A run in Leinster 😂😂😂

If by some fluke they fall over Gorey,they then in all likelihood run into Ballyhale,I’m looking forward to them starting it with the Mullen’s and the Fennelly’s
cracking post



Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on October 27, 2018, 09:18:08 AM
I'd say Danny Owens cannot wait to get out of there.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 28, 2018, 02:14:10 PM
DENIS WALSH

october 28 2018, 12:01am, the sunday times

Camross continue violent streak
denis walsh

Club have dragged Laois hurling into the gutter again but there seems little appetite to do anything about them



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In the days after the poisonous Laois county hurling final two photographs from the Camross celebrations emerged on social media. In one of them a Camross player is wearing a hard hat and protective goggles with a hurley held across his chest in heroic pose. The caption on the post reads: “Tooth fairy does what he likes when he likes.”

The other photograph, posted a day later, included the same player with two of his teammates sitting at a bar counter grinning with exaggerated smiles so that you can’t miss their perfect teeth. To grasp the tasteless and provocative nature of the photographs you need to understand the context. In the county final Ross King, a Rathdowney-Errill player, had his mouth smashed by the butt of a hurley. The alleged aggressor appeared in both photographs, although there is no suggestion that he wrote the caption.

In a long, lucid and powerful interview in The Times, Ireland edition on Thursday 1King gave what amounted to a victim impact statement. Two of his teeth are dead and ongoing dental work will cost about €5,000. For more than two weeks he lived on a diet of protein shakes, mashed banana, porridge and scrambled eggs while his mouth slowly recovered; in the process he lost nearly a stone in weight. He couldn’t return to work for more than a week and has missed other days since then for dental appointments.

Club shame: Ross King had his mouth smashed by the butt of a hurley during the Laois county hurling finalmethode%2Fsundaytimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F9a123228-d93a-11e8-9dc6-a299178189bc.jpg?crop=2250%2C1500%2C0%2C0&resize=13701370x913
Club shame: Ross King had his mouth smashed by the butt of a hurley during the Laois county hurling final

“I physically couldn’t speak,” King said to Shane Keegan, The Times columnist and a close friend of King’s. “My lips were kind of stuck together. I had no appetite, no energy and just no interest in anything.”

As captain of the Laois senior team King is a well-known and well-liked figure in Laois GAA and he was touched by the amount of support he received from friends and strangers alike. “One girl sent me a medal to keep me safe,” said King. “Beautiful gestures. But you still can’t help feeling low and you are drained mentally. I’m over a lot of the physical side but the mental side I don’t feel anywhere near over it. I don’t feel that justice has been served after all that’s gone on. It’s just insulting.”

The incident happened as part of a greater melee after which a couple of players were booked but nobody was sent off. Darrell Dooley, the Camross player who struck King, was yellow-carded for another offence in the melee but not for hitting King. When the referee confirmed this to the Laois county board they were at liberty to investigate the King incident; the outcome was a proposed two-match suspension.

Dooley took his case to the Laois Hearings Committee and at the beginning of the week they threw out the proposed suspensions reportedly on the grounds that the video evidence was inconclusive, although no formal statement was issued. A slow motion video of the melee is easy to find on various websites, including Laois Today whose coverage of this story has been comprehensive from the start. You can judge for yourself.

The irony is that Dooley should have been red-carded for wild pulling in the melee, quite apart from the incident with King. He was also involved in a massive flare-up in the semi-final against Borris-Kilcotton in which at least four Camross players should have been sent off, including Dooley. On that occasion nobody was red-carded and the Laois county board failed to hold an investigation afterwards. Video footage of that incident has also been circulated widely on social media.

In the greater debate on violence in the GAA, especially at club level, Camross are an interesting example. When a violent incident occurs there is always a clamour for decisive action and appropriate punishments but how often are consequences equated with solutions? What does punishment achieve without reform?

Look at Camross’ case history. In 1986 they played Clara from Kilkenny in the Leinster club championship, a game that became known as The Battle of Athy. Both clubs were suspended from the Leinster club championship for five years although this was reduced on appeal to three; the upshot was that Camross missed one provincial campaign.

Just three years later two Camross players were given life suspensions, later commuted to two years. One of them returned to captain Camross to win a county title. Seven years after that, in 1996, a county final between Camross and Portlaoise concluded with a free-for-all between supporters of both teams who climbed the wire to enter the field.

In 2005 a county final between Camross and Castletown was blighted by a 15-year-old Camross player being stretchered off the field, apparently unconscious and resulted in suspensions of 48 weeks and 24 weeks for two Camross players — including the stricken boy — and suspensions of 96 weeks and 72 weeks for a Castletown player and water carrier.

When the teams met again a year later two players were sent off, igniting a brawl that involved up to 20 men, including supporters; Garda intervention was needed to restore order. A Camross player and a supporter were both given two year suspensions, the clubs were fined €5,000 each and initially banned from the following year’s championship. After they exhausted the appeals process, including a pitch to the Disputes Resolutions Authority, they appealed for clemency again to the Laois executive.

Independent mediation between the clubs was arranged, the fines were paid, apologies were issued, a joint golf classic was organised in the interests of harmony and the ban was essentially reduced to a suspended sentence. “We’ve also agreed,” said Kieran Delaney, the Camross chairman at the time, “should someone step out of line, they’re on their own. We won’t represent them.”

Has the culture in Camross changed? After they lost to Mount Leinster Rangers in the Leinster club championship last year four of their players were suspended, one of them for two years. Three of those suspensions arose from their behaviour towards match officials.

There may not be a club in the GAA which has attracted more sanctions than Camross and yet bad behaviour has haunted them from one generation to the next. Dooley should have been suspended for his strike on King; Camross should have been hauled over the coals for their part in the semi-final melee. Instead they have dragged Laois club hurling into the gutter again. The Laois county board have been weak and they must carry their share of responsibility.

But without cultural change, nothing changes. Have Camross tackled any of their players about their behaviour in recent weeks? The club secretary was unavailable for comment yesterday.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: High Fielder on October 28, 2018, 04:54:56 PM
I don't think these articles are helping at all. The CB were compromised by the referee and the video evidence. At that point, they were snookered and they should have known it. They erred by imposing the ban and giving Camross more fuel. Instead, they should have paid Ross Kings bills and communicate with him only. He is the only victim in this incident and raking up Camross' past serves only to isolate them as a club. That is in nobody's interest. The aggressor will get his come uppance when he's on his knees looking at a classy forward after skinning him. The scoreboard hurts far more than any belt you can get.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 28, 2018, 05:27:12 PM
I don’t agree. The problem is that the classy forwards end up getting exactly what Ross King got for being classy. You simply can’t allow thuggery to prevail. The long term future of the game depends on it.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 28, 2018, 05:33:19 PM
In reality Dooly shouldn't even have been playing the final.

If he keeps getting away unpunished he will just continue until there is an even more serious incident
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Ogie on October 28, 2018, 06:42:04 PM
A great piece by Denis Walsh that should be read far & wide, showing the culture & tradition in Camross.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 28, 2018, 06:51:39 PM
I don't think these articles are helping at all. The CB were compromised by the referee and the video evidence. At that point, they were snookered and they should have known it. They erred by imposing the ban and giving Camross more fuel. Instead, they should have paid Ross Kings bills and communicate with him only. He is the only victim in this incident and raking up Camross' past serves only to isolate them as a club. That is in nobody's interest. The aggressor will get his come uppance when he's on his knees looking at a classy forward after skinning him. The scoreboard hurts far more than any belt you can get.
I’ve have broken bones and the likes, I’ll take watching a fella puck a score any day of the week.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Zooming around on October 28, 2018, 08:02:09 PM
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. They’re not worth a f**k to Laois. They are nothing but trouble and should be fenced off back into Offaly where they came from.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LooseCannon on October 28, 2018, 09:32:12 PM
f**k them into Tipp. And we’ll donate Shinrone, our equivalent to Camross, except Shinrone have won nothing.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Batman!!! on October 31, 2018, 10:25:03 AM
Can someone tell our referees to stay off social media? It’s actually embarrassing their conduct over he last number of months. Kieran Bowe, Anthony Stapleton and now Mr Camross, Eoin scully. His conduct on twitter over the weekend was shocking.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 31, 2018, 10:36:14 AM
Can someone tell our referees to stay off social media? It’s actually embarrassing their conduct over he last number of months. Kieran Bowe, Anthony Stapleton and now Mr Camross, Eoin scully. His conduct on twitter over the weekend was shocking.
Agreed. Quite unseemly to see him throw mud at a man who wore the Laois jersey numerous times.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 31, 2018, 10:41:40 AM
What was he saying on twitter?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 31, 2018, 10:57:29 AM
What was he saying on twitter?
He was attempting to stick up for his club in their recent turbulent times, by throwing mud at a Laois broadcaster.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on October 31, 2018, 11:36:48 AM
A breach of the trade descriptions act calling Scully a referee.

He can hardly claim the the high moral ground seeing as he’s under suspension for lying on his own refs report.

https://twitter.com/eoinscully21/status/1055917754883153923?s=21
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 31, 2018, 12:08:01 PM
Testing = culchy

https://twitter.com/Testing45927578/status/1056155127445372929
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 31, 2018, 12:17:53 PM
Shame on Scully for bringing this man into it.

clean up your own club 1st Scully.  Childish carry on and tweeting it to Joe.ie / Independent etc as if they's be interest in an old news story.

Dont know what he thought he'd achieve by this
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: redsetanta on October 31, 2018, 12:23:14 PM
He doesn't come across as the brightest. No wonder there is a problem with referrees in Laois gaa.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 31, 2018, 12:23:57 PM
Shame on Scully for bringing this man into it.

clean up your own club 1st Scully.  Childish carry on and tweeting it to Joe.ie / Independent etc as if they's be interest in an old news story.

Dont know what he thought he'd achieve by this
You think he was trying to affect Parkinsons employment?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: HURLING1 on October 31, 2018, 12:34:53 PM
Any referee that expresses opinions on certain clubs or players on social media show a complete lack of judgment.
As Batman says stay off it if you wish to be taken seriously as a referee.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Giovanni on October 31, 2018, 12:44:01 PM
Any referee that expresses opinions on certain clubs or players on social media show a complete lack of judgment.
As Batman says stay off it if you wish to be taken seriously as a referee.

I fully agree. And the same goes for Stapleton whose behaviour seems totally out of order. I don't know if there is any code of conduct or similar for referees? If not, there certainly should be.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on October 31, 2018, 01:35:44 PM
Shame on Scully for bringing this man into it.

clean up your own club 1st Scully.  Childish carry on and tweeting it to Joe.ie / Independent etc as if they's be interest in an old news story.

Dont know what he thought he'd achieve by this
You think he was trying to affect Parkinsons employment?

God only knows what Scully was at ! I don't know enough on Parkinson to comment in fairness but thought it was a cheap shot
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: portlaoisekid on October 31, 2018, 08:09:33 PM
Wow, that's a dirty stroke raking up colms past. Its actually pathetic.

Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on October 31, 2018, 10:07:46 PM
Wow, that's a dirty stroke raking up colms past. Its actually pathetic.
Imagine threatening a mans living? And him with a young family. Disgusting.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Bud Wiser on November 04, 2018, 07:38:50 AM
Scully was bad enough with his comments, some just get carried away when their head gets too big for their shoulders but the bile it generated in other replies to Colm on twitter was disgusting and for as long as those posts are left on twitter.  One tweeter "Test" set up a new account to spew.. A referee shouldn't be engaged in this carry on and following up with a post  " Best of luck to Portlaoise" can be seen through as a reason  for leaving the post on twitter that should be removed.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 04, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
Great win for Portlaoise. Camross have a fighting chance today!
Amazingly, both Darrell Dooley & John O’ Brien will be both on duty today in Leinster Club Championship!
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on November 04, 2018, 11:16:23 AM
fine win for portlaoise, stiff test next time against a young emerging ballinamere-durrow.

the likes of the scully chap should be given no oxygen at all, he would have notions about his standing(figure of mirth) as a referee!.

there are two members of the camross hurling panel due before the courts on a very serious GHB assault charge in the near future with custodial sentences likely.
can one assume mr scully will be tweeting extensively about said court proceedings and outcome?....you must be joking, it will be the usual see no evil, hear no evil.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Unlaoised on November 05, 2018, 08:22:52 AM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 05, 2018, 10:16:10 AM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Disappointed to see them lose yesterday, would have liked to see them get a run out against Ballyhale.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Helix on November 05, 2018, 11:52:48 AM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Disappointed to see them lose yesterday, would have liked to see them get a run out against Ballyhale.

Camross got decent start but Naomh Eanna absolutely blitzed them. Could have had another 2-3 goals Goalie save on Dean Delaney before HT would have brought it closer but camross had too much to do 2nd half. No 8 at midlfield carried a fair amount of ball and did good bit of damage. Very wrists hurlers spread ball around fairly well. Will give Ballyhale a decent game I’d say.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 05, 2018, 01:09:31 PM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Disappointed to see them lose yesterday, would have liked to see them get a run out against Ballyhale.

Camross got decent start but Naomh Eanna absolutely blitzed them. Could have had another 2-3 goals Goalie save on Dean Delaney before HT would have brought it closer but camross had too much to do 2nd half. No 8 at midlfield carried a fair amount of ball and did good bit of damage. Very wrists hurlers spread ball around fairly well. Will give Ballyhale a decent game I’d say.
How did the tooth fairy play?
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Helix on November 05, 2018, 01:29:32 PM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Disappointed to see them lose yesterday, would have liked to see them get a run out against Ballyhale.

Camross got decent start but Naomh Eanna absolutely blitzed them. Could have had another 2-3 goals Goalie save on Dean Delaney before HT would have brought it closer but camross had too much to do 2nd half. No 8 at midlfield carried a fair amount of ball and did good bit of damage. Very wrists hurlers spread ball around fairly well. Will give Ballyhale a decent game I’d say.
How did the tooth fairy play?

Didn’t get a run. On the bench.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on November 05, 2018, 01:35:57 PM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Disappointed to see them lose yesterday, would have liked to see them get a run out against Ballyhale.

Camross got decent start but Naomh Eanna absolutely blitzed them. Could have had another 2-3 goals Goalie save on Dean Delaney before HT would have brought it closer but camross had too much to do 2nd half. No 8 at midlfield carried a fair amount of ball and did good bit of damage. Very wrists hurlers spread ball around fairly well. Will give Ballyhale a decent game I’d say.
How did the tooth fairy play?

Didn’t get a run. On the bench.

Strange seen as he was the hero in the county final.

I'd imagine Camross happy enough to be the big fish in the small pond. 
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: burdizzo on November 05, 2018, 01:53:29 PM
When was the last time a Laois club actually won a game in Leinster, at senior level?

Fair play to Portlaoise, though, beating Wicklow senior champions.

Slieve Bloom came asunder, seemingly, after Ben Conroy went off in their Leinster junior game. Unfortunately he's done damage to his knee, so won't be available for club or county for the best part of a year.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Helix on November 05, 2018, 01:57:39 PM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Disappointed to see them lose yesterday, would have liked to see them get a run out against Ballyhale.

Camross got decent start but Naomh Eanna absolutely blitzed them. Could have had another 2-3 goals Goalie save on Dean Delaney before HT would have brought it closer but camross had too much to do 2nd half. No 8 at midlfield carried a fair amount of ball and did good bit of damage. Very wrists hurlers spread ball around fairly well. Will give Ballyhale a decent game I’d say.
How did the tooth fairy play?

Didn’t get a run. On the bench.

Strange seen as he was the hero in the county final.

I'd imagine Camross happy enough to be the big fish in the small pond. 

Dwane Palmer in from the start. Gearoid Burke came in with about 10 mins left they were chasing too much in 2nd half. Some aimless ball put into the forward line from Camross. Lost most of the 50/50 balls which was big impact on them.
Zane was decent overall with places balls (took goal well from free). Naomh Eanna were more efficient with the ball and always had men in space and step it up when needed. Conor McDonald some man to field ball and gave Malvin Moloney a tough time.  Was impressed with them how comfortable they were and were missing Cathal Dunbarr (who would be one of the better forwards and with Wexford seniors) and 2 in the back line. Wouldn’t be surprised if they beat Ballyhale to be honest.

Speedy recovery to Ben too. Massive loss to Slieve Bloom.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: Don Draper on November 05, 2018, 02:04:40 PM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Disappointed to see them lose yesterday, would have liked to see them get a run out against Ballyhale.

Camross got decent start but Naomh Eanna absolutely blitzed them. Could have had another 2-3 goals Goalie save on Dean Delaney before HT would have brought it closer but camross had too much to do 2nd half. No 8 at midlfield carried a fair amount of ball and did good bit of damage. Very wrists hurlers spread ball around fairly well. Will give Ballyhale a decent game I’d say.
How did the tooth fairy play?

Didn’t get a run. On the bench.
Oh well, he did his work for the year I suppose
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on November 05, 2018, 02:27:48 PM
Bye bue camross ...i dont think anyone cares
Disappointed to see them lose yesterday, would have liked to see them get a run out against Ballyhale.

Camross got decent start but Naomh Eanna absolutely blitzed them. Could have had another 2-3 goals Goalie save on Dean Delaney before HT would have brought it closer but camross had too much to do 2nd half. No 8 at midlfield carried a fair amount of ball and did good bit of damage. Very wrists hurlers spread ball around fairly well. Will give Ballyhale a decent game I’d say.
How did the tooth fairy play?

Didn’t get a run. On the bench.
Oh well, he did his work for the year I suppose

And from comments on Social Media even up to last night they seem to find it hard to get that people dislike the way they went about the win and not the actual win itself !
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: clonadmad on November 05, 2018, 02:43:42 PM
When was the last time a Laois club actually won a game in Leinster, at senior level?

Fair play to Portlaoise, though, beating Wicklow senior champions.

Slieve Bloom came asunder, seemingly, after Ben Conroy went off in their Leinster junior game. Unfortunately he's done damage to his knee, so won't be available for club or county for the best part of a year.

One win in the Leinster club Championship in the last 10 years shows exactly where laois ranks in club hurling also.

Sorry to see Camross lose yesterday,would have loved to have seen Ballyhale hand them their arses
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: TheGiantSquid on November 07, 2018, 09:20:23 PM
A lot of Camross players found out over the weekend,
Dean Delaney -  non existent
 Tomas Burke - Nothing
 Collier midfield - passenger
 and even Joe Phelan - looked poor for a county corner back.

Seemed reluctant to go short with puckouts even though NE had dropped very deep, best performers were Zane and big Lorcan Burke wing back. .. How Conor McDonald was left 1v1 in 20 yards of space for 40 mins is anyones guess.
Title: Re: Club Hurling
Post by: LOVEGAA on November 08, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
A lot of Camross players found out over the weekend,
Dean Delaney -  non existent
 Tomas Burke - Nothing
 Collier midfield - passenger
 and even Joe Phelan - looked poor for a county corner back.

Seemed reluctant to go short with puckouts even though NE had dropped very deep, best performers were Zane and big Lorcan Burke wing back. .. How Conor McDonald was left 1v1 in 20 yards of space for 40 mins is anyones guess.


The reality is that in the county final if they didn't adopt dirty tactics there were in trouble and they knew it.

I still think if the incident hadn't happened R/E would have beaten them