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Non GAA Discussion => General discussion => Topic started by: Man Marker on November 18, 2016, 01:19:19 PM

Title: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Man Marker on November 18, 2016, 01:19:19 PM
Some craic about Dee Stitt and the social investment fund. It seems to me like the unionists have shot them selves in the foot over this one. Whilst the initial hoohaa was all about Stitt and Charter NI, it has moved now to the layers involved in the scheme getting publically peeled back. At the core o itf, the reason why The DUP back in 2011 did not want it to have a proper procurement model in place is because the majority amount of the money available would have went to catholic areas based on the most deprived areas of need under the procurement criteria. SF had to agree to it or there would have been nothing at all to distribute, and something was better then nothing. Arlene had the opportunity to put this to bed, but her pandering to loyalism has now opened the can of worms. This will end up being a good day for deprived catholic areas.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Minder on November 18, 2016, 01:36:14 PM
Some craic about Dee Stitt and the social investment fund. It seems to me like the unionists have shot them selves in the foot over this one. Whilst the initial hoohaa was all about Stitt and Charter NI, it has moved now to the layers involved in the scheme getting publically peeled back. At the core o itf, the reason why The DUP back in 2011 did not want it to have a proper procurement model in place is because the majority amount of the money available would have went to catholic areas based on the most deprived areas of need under the procurement criteria. SF had to agree to it or there would have been nothing at all to distribute, and something was better then nothing. Arlene had the opportunity to put this to bed, but her pandering to loyalism has now opened the can of worms. This will end up being a good day for deprived catholic areas.
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In what way ?
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Man Marker on November 18, 2016, 01:45:26 PM
If, and that's an if this has a proper independent investigation and with recommendations, it will recommend that the Social Investment Fund has it has at the heart of its criteria, when it goes out to procurement, that those wards who have highest deprivation will benefit most from the fund. Catholic wards dominate the wards of highest deprivation.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Minder on November 18, 2016, 01:50:13 PM
If, and that's an if this has a proper independent investigation and with recommendations, it will recommend that the Social Investment Fund has it has at the heart of its criteria, when it goes out to procurement, that those wards who have highest deprivation will benefit most from the fund. Catholic wards dominate the wards of highest deprivation.

Yeah and the money will go to the same people on our side and nobody sees a penny but them and their families, suppose that's the price we pay for the "peace process"
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Man Marker on November 18, 2016, 01:58:37 PM
No, about 10% goes to the 'same people' the rest does address what its meant to do, except currently it is not based on greatest need
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: The Gs Man on November 18, 2016, 03:19:52 PM
I'm busting for a Dee Stitt.

New Belfast rhyming slang.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Hereiam on October 11, 2017, 11:28:17 PM
Good to see charter ni back in the spot light. DUP really are looking after there own
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: T Fearon on October 12, 2017, 07:15:57 AM
Obvious attempt to get the loyalist communities to vote for the DUP.But SF acquiesced willingly in all of this.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 12, 2017, 10:26:15 AM
Obvious attempt to get the loyalist communities to vote for the DUP.But SF acquiesced willingly in all of this.

If you watched the programme SF guided millions to their own favoured organisations in North Belfast, e.g. Ashton who were able to show that SF was providing money for the electorate so not much different from East Belfast.  The money to North Belfast guided in a SF influenced direction ignored vital organisations such as Extern (working with homeless in city) that didn't get any money but provided a vital service to families in the area. Yet the person running the organisation receiving the most SIF was appointed the chair of the body by giving out the money!  Ashton got £5.8m but took £2m for itself, so not great value for the locals when almost a third of money is needed to deliver the money to the locals in need but even worse value when a small area of North Belfast gets more money than another single organisation in NI.

Integrity & Honesty.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Minder on October 12, 2017, 10:51:31 AM
It was always going to be a racket, and has played out that way. SF & DUP where last going to be hoovering it up for their own proxy organisations
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Hereiam on October 12, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
I suppose its a better way to give out money to the riff raff other than robbing the northern bank
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Minder on October 12, 2017, 11:04:16 AM
I suppose its a better way to give out money to the riff raff other than robbing the northern bank

The “riff raff” don’t get it though, that’s the thing. The people running the organisations do
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Owen Brannigan on October 12, 2017, 11:28:42 AM
I suppose its a better way to give out money to the riff raff other than robbing the northern bank

The “riff raff” don’t get it though, that’s the thing. The people running the organisations do

Ashton in North Belfast taking £2m to administer a funding allowance of £5.8m.  35% of all money awarded goes to the organisation charged with ensuring the less well off get some help!
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: T Fearon on October 12, 2017, 12:12:41 PM
Did I not read somewhere that on average All grant money,including European funds,incur on average,40% administrative and salary costs.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2018, 11:05:37 AM
Didn’t see this coming  ::)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46109733

Social Investment Fund: Audit reveals 'significant failings'
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: trailer on November 08, 2018, 01:21:26 PM
Another SF/DUP carve up. Money for the boys. wink wink.

I find it amazing anyone from a Nationalist persuasion would vote for SF. They terrorised communities with bullets now they want to do the same with political power.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Sweeper 123 on November 08, 2018, 02:09:48 PM
so based on what you know about NI who do you recommend people vote for?
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Sheugh Water on November 08, 2018, 07:12:51 PM
Another SF/DUP carve up. Money for the boys. wink wink.

I find it amazing anyone from a Nationalist persuasion would vote for SF. They terrorised communities with bullets now they want to do the same with political power.

100%. It has been so blatant in Derry City it wouod make you laugh. Sf basically lining their own pockets.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: trailer on November 09, 2018, 12:55:10 PM
This slush fund was setup when Margaret Ritchie cut funding to the UDA via "conflict transformation". SF and DUP set this up. Funds dished out by OFMDFM to Paramilitary linked groups.
Another example of both parties lining their pockets and enriching themselves.

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 01:10:40 PM
This slush fund was setup when Margaret Ritchie cut funding to the UDA via "conflict transformation". SF and DUP set this up. Funds dished out by OFMDFM to Paramilitary linked groups.
Another example of both parties lining their pockets and enriching themselves.

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Raymond McCartney is spinning this one that while the process may have been flawed the actual outcomes were good and referencing eight projects in his constituency, I wonder what they were??

I presume Charter NI are in this mix.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Kidder81 on November 09, 2018, 01:16:23 PM
This nonsense has been going on for years, this was Sinn Fein & DUPs first proper orchestrated go at it I would say. It’s not accurate to say it was just dishing money out to paramilitaries, it’s party workers, family, canvassers etc. They said it was going to be transparent and the steering groups would decide, the steering groups were awash with SF/DUP influence. Sure nothing will happen now, the holidays have been had, the extensions on the houses built. And they will do it again if and when Stormont returns.

If anyone took a look at the money they dish out to each other’s “projects” in Belfast Council it would be interesting.
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: johnnycool on November 09, 2018, 01:42:16 PM
This nonsense has been going on for years, this was Sinn Fein & DUPs first proper orchestrated go at it I would say. It’s not accurate to say it was just dishing money out to paramilitaries, it’s party workers, family, canvassers, party workers etc. They said it was going to be transparent and the steering groups would decide, the steering groups were awash with SF/DUP influence. Sure nothing will happen now, the holidays have been had, the extensions on the houses built. And they will do it again if and when Stormont returns.

If anyone took a look at the money they dish out to each other’s “projects” in Belfast Council it would be interesting.

https://www.executiveoffice-ni.gov.uk/publications/social-investment-fund-zone-projects-tables (https://www.executiveoffice-ni.gov.uk/publications/social-investment-fund-zone-projects-tables)

Have a look.....

A COI Cathedral in Enniskillen availed, not sure you could say those funds were aimed at an area or need of social deprivation.

Did St Enda's in Glengormley also get some cash out of this fund?

"Increasing
Community
Services
 St Endas/Croi
Enna
Community
Centre
Capital Construction of a community centre comprising a multi-purpose hall, changing facilities and conference and training facilities. The centre will deliver a range of services including before and after schools wrap around services, community classes, mothers and toddlers groups and weekly NEELB endorsed youth services"
Title: Re: The Social Investment Fund
Post by: Sheugh Water on November 09, 2018, 02:09:54 PM
This slush fund was setup when Margaret Ritchie cut funding to the UDA via "conflict transformation". SF and DUP set this up. Funds dished out by OFMDFM to Paramilitary linked groups.
Another example of both parties lining their pockets and enriching themselves.

"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Raymond McCartney is spinning this one that while the process may have been flawed the actual outcomes were good and referencing eight projects in his constituency, I wonder what they were??

I presume Charter NI are in this mix.

No Raymond is Derry City. No charter NI there. They are all available online to view. Most of the projects in Derry went to community groups under SF control.