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Title: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: G@@ on October 14, 2016, 04:15:43 PM
So, the draw has been made - however from the news reports that I have seen I am unsure of who faces who - whether or not the table topper gets Offaly or Wexford.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on October 14, 2016, 04:54:33 PM
Won't be decided until May, I believe. Probably after the round-robin series is over, so all teams will be trying to win the group and not throwing a match the get the (possibly) cushy second spot. I must say, I think Leix will be doing well to get out of that group at all - whether second place or top - and on this year's form they certainly wouldn't have.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on November 17, 2016, 03:11:17 PM
I see Willie Hyland has retired according to Leinster express website. Best if luck to him. He'll probably be club hurler of the year in 2017 like the last lads to retire (Darren Maher in 2015 and Butch in 2016)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on November 17, 2016, 03:30:22 PM
How old is Willie, he's hardly 30 yet is he?

I know it's very easy for us to say but I thought with the better set up in place and decent performances from the hurlers some of these lads would have stayed on longer. You could see how delighted Hyland was after beating Offaly in 2015.

Maybe it's a case of thinking it isn't going to get any better after Cheddar. I do hope we don't start slipping back again after what Cheddar achieved.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Unlaoised on November 17, 2016, 04:34:10 PM
Willie is only 28  :o
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on November 17, 2016, 05:12:41 PM
Yeh, just reading the Leinster there. Says it's hip injuries that are the reason. Pity as he was the only man in our forward line who could catch a ball from our puck out. Haven't seen anything close to him in that regard coming through.
It's one step forward and two steps back.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on November 18, 2016, 03:33:30 PM
He might be 28 but he has some amount of hurling done. Between club, colleges and county.

As well as his commitment and contribution on the field one thing that stands out for me with Willie was his role in changing the structures and investment in hurling in Laois. His open letter to the county board was a turning point which brought in Cheddar etc. Although we are not there yet by a long shot, I hope that in future we will look back and see the role he and Cheddar played in improving Laois hurling.

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: tcrilly on November 22, 2016, 06:33:52 PM
Going to be tough for the hurlers but should easily retain Liam McCarthy status, cant see us beating Offaly should we meet them unfortunately and I hope that I am wrong, maybe its wexfords turn for a shock defeat should we get out of round robin stages, who knows, one can only hope and get out and support the team through thick and thin
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on November 27, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
Senior hurling panel met for the first time tonight, starting training next Saturday.
Best of luck to all involved
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 27, 2016, 12:23:23 AM
Senior hurling panel met for the first time tonight, starting training next Saturday.
Best of luck to all involved
Management team completed?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on November 27, 2016, 12:05:07 PM
New faces? How many training? Anyone got full panel?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on November 27, 2016, 05:41:01 PM
Eamonn Kelly Manager
Conor Gleeson hurling coach
DJ ?? Strength & conditioning
John Taylor on board as one selector
Second selector being brought on board as well

professional set up presented with a hectic schedule this side of xmass

Few new faces including Eoin Fleming, & returning faces including Darren Maher
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on November 27, 2016, 10:12:47 PM
Eamonn Kelly Manager
Conor Gleeson hurling coach
DJ ?? Strength & conditioning
John Taylor on board as one selector
Second selector being brought on board as well

professional set up presented with a hectic schedule this side of xmass

Few new faces including Eoin Fleming, & returning faces including Darren Maher

Wouldn't be shocked to see Fleming take the Number 1 jersey.

Also Taylor not a bad choice as a selector.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: tcrilly on November 28, 2016, 07:42:02 PM
Eamonn Kelly Manager
Conor Gleeson hurling coach
DJ ?? Strength & conditioning
John Taylor on board as one selector
Second selector being brought on board as well

professional set up presented with a hectic schedule this side of xmass

Few new faces including Eoin Fleming, & returning faces including Darren Maher

Wouldn't be shocked to see Fleming take the Number 1 jersey.

Also Taylor not a bad choice as a selector.

Any news on other newcomers? And Eoin Fleming should be given the nod in goal as he is less prone to blunders, and John Taylor is a decent choice as selector, whether you are in Portlaoise or borris in ossory, you could see John Taylor at games so he knows whats there
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on November 29, 2016, 08:35:10 AM
I see Ollie Moran of Ahane in Limerick part of the back room team this morning. Involved with Limerick u21s and good wealth of experience no doubt. Hopefully the Laois lads can buy into it. There's hardly any chance Joe Fitzpatrick get to involved again with Laois?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on November 29, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
Coming in as a coach from what I saw. He comes across as a smart man from what i've seen of him and he was a fine hurler. Just a pity there is no-one in Laois who could come in and do the same job. There must be some link with Kelly.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: merman on November 29, 2016, 10:57:33 AM
Owen Coss from Kilcotton confirmed as second selector.
Good addition; very well-respected and liked around the county.

Hopefully Borris/Kilcotton will continue their excellent representation on our county panels.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on November 29, 2016, 11:10:59 AM
It's shaping up as a decent backroom team and arguably as good as what Cheddar had. Hopefully the players do buy into it and continue to hurl with the pride in the jersey that Cheddar instilled in them.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: tcrilly on November 29, 2016, 11:20:25 AM
Owen Coss from Kilcotton confirmed as second selector.
Good addition; very well-respected and liked around the county.

Hopefully Borris/Kilcotton will continue their excellent representation on our county panels.

They need to put muscle in and lose the beer bellies if they are to be proud, no offence
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on November 29, 2016, 11:42:07 AM
Owen Coss from Kilcotton confirmed as second selector.
Good addition; very well-respected and liked around the county.

Hopefully Borris/Kilcotton will continue their excellent representation on our county panels.

They need to put muscle in and lose the beer bellies if they are to be proud, no offence
Where did he mention pride?

And whyever would someone take offence at your slagging off amateur players in the off season?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: tcrilly on November 29, 2016, 03:13:01 PM
Owen Coss from Kilcotton confirmed as second selector.
Good addition; very well-respected and liked around the county.

Hopefully Borris/Kilcotton will continue their excellent representation on our county panels.

They need to put muscle in and lose the beer bellies if they are to be proud, no offence
Where did he mention pride?

And whyever would someone take offence at your slagging off amateur players in the off season?

Okay then sorry, pick the b/k team give them free jackets and let them get bet by Kerry in the round robin, pride comes nowhere whilst representing your county, b/k are over rated immensely and were walked on by the Dublin champions because they drank solid for a week after winning the cf, 2-3 players top is a fair representation from b/k in my opinion, doesn't make it right but I'm entitled to it
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on November 29, 2016, 04:04:16 PM
Owen Coss from Kilcotton confirmed as second selector.
Good addition; very well-respected and liked around the county.

Hopefully Borris/Kilcotton will continue their excellent representation on our county panels.

They need to put muscle in and lose the beer bellies if they are to be proud, no offence
Where did he mention pride?

And whyever would someone take offence at your slagging off amateur players in the off season?

Okay then sorry, pick the b/k team give them free jackets and let them get bet by Kerry in the round robin, pride comes nowhere whilst representing your county, b/k are over rated immensely and were walked on by the Dublin champions because they drank solid for a week after winning the cf, 2-3 players top is a fair representation from b/k in my opinion, doesn't make it right but I'm entitled to it
You're entitled to your opinion, all Offaly men are.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on November 30, 2016, 10:13:27 AM

You're entitled to your opinion, all Offaly men are.

Having a difference of opinion is one thing. Calling someone an Offaly man is just pushing it too far.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: tcrilly on November 30, 2016, 05:40:16 PM
Owen Coss from Kilcotton confirmed as second selector.
Good addition; very well-respected and liked around the county.

Hopefully Borris/Kilcotton will continue their excellent representation on our county panels.

They need to put muscle in and lose the beer bellies if they are to be proud, no offence
Where did he mention pride?

And whyever would someone take offence at your slagging off amateur players in the off season?

Okay then sorry, pick the b/k team give them free jackets and let them get bet by Kerry in the round robin, pride comes nowhere whilst representing your county, b/k are over rated immensely and were walked on by the Dublin champions because they drank solid for a week after winning the cf, 2-3 players top is a fair representation from b/k in my opinion, doesn't make it right but I'm entitled to it
You're entitled to your opinion, all Offaly men are.
You could of called me any name under the sun...but calling me an Offaly man is a low blow, you have no heart or soul you monster
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on November 30, 2016, 06:36:04 PM
Owen Coss from Kilcotton confirmed as second selector.
Good addition; very well-respected and liked around the county.

Hopefully Borris/Kilcotton will continue their excellent representation on our county panels.

They need to put muscle in and lose the beer bellies if they are to be proud, no offence
Where did he mention pride?

And whyever would someone take offence at your slagging off amateur players in the off season?

Okay then sorry, pick the b/k team give them free jackets and let them get bet by Kerry in the round robin, pride comes nowhere whilst representing your county, b/k are over rated immensely and were walked on by the Dublin champions because they drank solid for a week after winning the cf, 2-3 players top is a fair representation from b/k in my opinion, doesn't make it right but I'm entitled to it
You're entitled to your opinion, all Offaly men are.
You could of called me any name under the sun...but calling me an Offaly man is a low blow, you have no heart or soul you monster
You're trying too hard
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Laoiseabu on December 26, 2016, 06:52:23 PM
Any word on how hurlers are goin who are the new faces ?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SH
Post by: merman on December 26, 2016, 11:55:36 PM
Any word on how hurlers are goin who are the new faces ?
I've been meaning to post here for a few days. I've heard really good things about the current setup.

I was going to reply with a thorough post until I saw this abolute bullshit post of yours;


A lot of our core players are moving on and a lot of new lads that are being tried out are a waste of time if I'm being honest. A few new lads would want to stand up soon and I'm not talkin bout Mickey Mouse Obyrne cup players I'm talkin bout proper county standard MEN!!

Our country hurlers have a really difficult year ahead. Truthfully, they will have a tough couple of years but fair play to any young man who puts themselves forward for our hurling or football panels.

I intend being at every possible O'Byrne/Walsh Cup and Hurling/Football League game. Fair play to any and every young man who will sacrifice themselves for my county.

Any "supporter" who ridicules their effort as a 'waste of time' can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.
I won't be posting on this forum again.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SH
Post by: clonadmad on December 27, 2016, 10:42:14 AM
Any word on how hurlers are goin who are the new faces ?
I've been meaning to post here for a few days. I've heard really good things about the current setup.

I was going to reply with a thorough post until I saw this abolute bullshit post of yours;


A lot of our core players are moving on and a lot of new lads that are being tried out are a waste of time if I'm being honest. A few new lads would want to stand up soon and I'm not talkin bout Mickey Mouse Obyrne cup players I'm talkin bout proper county standard MEN!!

Our country hurlers have a really difficult year ahead. Truthfully, they will have a tough couple of years but fair play to any young man who puts themselves forward for our hurling or football panels.

I intend being at every possible O'Byrne/Walsh Cup and Hurling/Football League game. Fair play to any and every young man who will sacrifice themselves for my county.

Any "supporter" who ridicules their effort as a 'waste of time' can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.
I won't be posting on this forum again.

Merman you always been an informed and insightful poster,I'm surprised that to be frank an idiotic post would cause you to stop posting

I'd urge a rethink
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Laoiseabu on December 27, 2016, 11:12:04 AM
Merman I would consider my post a fact actually I'm talking bout footballers. We have been slowly going backwards over the last couple of years and not have fell into division 3. We let in a cricket score in the league last year which makes me think where are we goin to get a few backs from. Chair Healy wud be good enough but he is hurling. Strong, Quigley, Munnelly, Timmons, Donoher, Meaney , Begley are all moving on and I can't see replacements which will leave us even weaker I'm just stating facts. I'm not making little of young lads representing their county I'm just saying that A lot of them are not up to the mark. The past two years we have been knocked out of qualifiers by Clare and Antrim like ? And Merman the reality is we may get weaker before we get stronger again. And it's not just the county that is struggling clubs are struggling aswell which leads to talks of another topic , amalgamations . Another thing that's a real problem this countries obsession with drink. Like I'm sick of looking at lads coming down to the local field and not being able to train properly because they were out the night before and then they wonder why they don't win county titles. They want all these professional physios professional dietitians strength and conditioning coaches etc but yet they constantly come down to the field after being stuck in the pub all night . Professional my Fuckin Arse 
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Laoiseabu on December 27, 2016, 11:27:03 AM
And another thing when things don't work out then who gets the blame, yes the poor manager does and what happens then , he loses his job when it's the players themselves that decide to go on the piss the night before. Maybe they should start looking at themselves for a change. Sure we will just blame the manager like ? A kick up the Arse is what's needed with a lot of lads . You only have a chance to train and play football when your young so why not cop on and make the most of it.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on December 27, 2016, 11:57:40 AM
 Maybe they should start looking at themselves for a change. Sure we will just blame the manager like ? A kick up the Arse is what's needed with a lot of lads . You only have a chance to train and play football when your young so why not cop on and make the most of it.
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Because lads want to have their own craic away from football too at the end of the day its only a game, a lot of lads would rather a social life than a few pieces of silver
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Laoiseabu on December 27, 2016, 12:31:16 PM
Yes Ballyroan abbey that's a fair point but my problem is when lads come down to the field hungover and not able to do a training session ,at the end of the season they then blame the manager for the teams lack of fitness and trophies and the manager then gets the chop
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on December 27, 2016, 01:50:30 PM
Yes Ballyroan abbey that's a fair point but my problem is when lads come down to the field hungover and not able to do a training session ,at the end of the season they then blame the manager for the teams lack of fitness and trophies and the manager then gets the chop

Regrade them to junior so, a club either has to reward the most committed players or the most talented because its not usually the same thing
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Tobias on December 27, 2016, 03:56:14 PM
Laoiseabu nobody wants to be listening to your tripe talk.
Merman I'm with Clonadmad, your opinion is valued here.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Laoiseabu on December 27, 2016, 04:15:15 PM
You mean nobody wants to hear the truth I'm just saying what I'm seeing in my own club in particular . How is it Tripe ?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: tcrilly on December 27, 2016, 07:06:07 PM
You mean nobody wants to hear the truth I'm just saying what I'm seeing in my own club in particular . How is it Tripe ?

There are aspects to what you say are true, drink is a problem in smaller clubs, and lack of numbers in training and the playing guys that dont train etc, then as iv seen countless times the manager gets the blame instead of the fact they were running after guys with their tongue out, representing your county is a huge honor and it certainly is a young mans/ladies game and those who dont take nutrition and conditioning serious on their own part ahould be swiftly reminded there is someone hungrier for success than they are
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SH
Post by: Don Draper on December 28, 2016, 04:34:09 PM
Any "supporter" who ridicules their effort as a 'waste of time' can f**k off as far as I'm concerned.
I won't be posting on this forum again.
Fair f**ks to you
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: gaastats on January 04, 2017, 10:14:22 PM
Laois' hurling:

Biggest ever win: (47) 1905 Croke Cup Laois 8-23 Louth 0-0
Biggest c'ship win: (30) 1939 Laois 12-8 Meath 4-2
Biggest league win: (28) 1964 Laois 9-8 Wicklow 1-4 & 1973 Laois 8-15 Westmeath 2-5 (also biggest Div1 win)
Biggest Walsh Cup win: (21) 1980 Laois 2-21 Wicklow 0-6
Biggest win v Big3 team: (24) 1925 League Laois 11-0 Cork 3-0

Biggest defeat: (38) 1927 League Laois 2-1 Cork 14-3 & 2008 Laois 0-6 Galway 6-26
Biggest c'ship defeat: (35) 2016 Laois 0-12 Clare 5-32 [2nd 2011 defeat to Cork; 3rd 1898 defeat to Dublin]
Biggest Walsh Cup defeat: (26) 1956 Laois 3-6 Kilkenny 12-5

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 05, 2017, 11:48:56 AM
What sort of panel / team have we for Sunday?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: beano on January 05, 2017, 12:52:48 PM
 This is not the team but would will make a guess: Rowland, stapleton, mullaney, carroll (abbeyleix), bergin, ciaran mcevoy , paddy whelan, stapleton, P Purcell, picky, J campion, L O connell, king, scully, w. Dunphy
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on January 05, 2017, 12:59:00 PM
This is not the team but would will make a guess: Rowland, stapleton, mullaney, carroll (abbeyleix), bergin, ciaran mcevoy , paddy whelan, stapleton, P Purcell, picky, J campion, L O connell, king, scully, w. Dunphy

Brian Stapleton back?
Ciaran Collier in squad? Conor Phelan is another- is he on panel?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on January 05, 2017, 01:37:15 PM
if that is the back 6 for laois then we are heading for the Christy ring.......not one would get near a top 8 inter county side.

with retirements we are lacking big time in defence. yes healy and a few others will return, the lack of proper defenders amongst the youth is a serious worry. could we perhaps try out cha at centre back and build a solid spine. the likes of bergin, mullaney and carroll are not up to senior inter county standard and never will be. if we have little option but to use them for now, it highlights the weakness in our set up.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on January 05, 2017, 01:43:20 PM
Ross King chatting about the set up and looking forward to the Walsh Cup.

https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/ross-king-pre-walsh-cup (https://soundcloud.com/midlandssport/ross-king-pre-walsh-cup)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Tobias on January 05, 2017, 03:10:29 PM
if that is the back 6 for laois then we are heading for the Christy ring.......not one would get near a top 8 inter county side.

with retirements we are lacking big time in defence. yes healy and a few others will return, the lack of proper defenders amongst the youth is a serious worry. could we perhaps try out cha at centre back and build a solid spine. the likes of bergin, mullaney and carroll are not up to senior inter county standard and never will be. if we have little option but to use them for now, it highlights the weakness in our set up.

I think this is a bit harsh on those lads, they are young and have a chance of developing, I remember Joe Fitz never played county minor and didn't become a good senior hurler overnight. We do need experience in defence and I'd imagine Darren Maher Matthew Whelan and Cahir Healy will be there to provide that. Dwayne Palmer is likely to be corner back. I think Tom Delaney should be given a chance this yr in the league to see if he's up to it. Paddy Whelans best position might well be at half back too. we need to find paddy Purcell a good partner in midfield, is Zane Keenan on the panel?. I would totally disagree with moving our best player and best forward to centre back. We need Cha both winning ball and scoring in the half forward line. Picky, Foyle, Scully, King, Campion,and Willie Dunphy are 6 established guys that are all good club hurlers but they need to prove themselves at County level, Laois need them to drive on this year. It will be interesting to see how Liam O Connell gets on this year and whether he will play in defence or attack, personally I would prob play him at half back. Ciaran Collier, Colm Stapleton, John Lennon and Ben Conroy are other useful options if available.
I presume Mark Kavanagh won't be available for a few months yet.
There are a few good young lads coming through but maybe they should be left with the 21s for one year, Aaron Dunphy, Lee Cleere, Robbie Phelan, Stephen Phelan, Conor Phelan, Joe Geaney off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: beano on January 05, 2017, 03:32:08 PM
Lads just picked that team to stirr debate plus picked team knowing that lads are college tied and won't play for Laois in Walsh cup.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: hurlingmad on January 05, 2017, 06:40:41 PM
if that is the back 6 for laois then we are heading for the Christy ring.......not one would get near a top 8 inter county side.

with retirements we are lacking big time in defence. yes healy and a few others will return, the lack of proper defenders amongst the youth is a serious worry. could we perhaps try out cha at centre back and build a solid spine. the likes of bergin, mullaney and carroll are not up to senior inter county standard and never will be. if we have little option but to use them for now, it highlights the weakness in our set up.

I think this is a bit harsh on those lads, they are young and have a chance of developing, I remember Joe Fitz never played county minor and didn't become a good senior hurler overnight. We do need experience in defence and I'd imagine Darren Maher Matthew Whelan and Cahir Healy will be there to provide that. Dwayne Palmer is likely to be corner back. I think Tom Delaney should be given a chance this yr in the league to see if he's up to it. Paddy Whelans best position might well be at half back too. we need to find paddy Purcell a good partner in midfield, is Zane Keenan on the panel?. I would totally disagree with moving our best player and best forward to centre back. We need Cha both winning ball and scoring in the half forward line. Picky, Foyle, Scully, King, Campion,and Willie Dunphy are 6 established guys that are all good club hurlers but they need to prove themselves at County level, Laois need them to drive on this year. It will be interesting to see how Liam O Connell gets on this year and whether he will play in defence or attack, personally I would prob play him at half back. Ciaran Collier, Colm Stapleton, John Lennon and Ben Conroy are other useful options if available.
I presume Mark Kavanagh won't be available for a few months yet.
There are a few good young lads coming through but maybe they should be left with the 21s for one year, Aaron Dunphy, Lee Cleere, Robbie Phelan, Stephen Phelan, Conor Phelan, Joe Geaney off the top of my head.

Joe Fitz is a loss, lovely guy and was very dedicated through the years while playing for laois, Aaron Dunphy can only improve and even as he is he can win balls from puckouts against experienced seniors for bk , either way i cannot wait for sunday as these long nights have me bored to death
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on January 07, 2017, 10:34:41 AM
An interesting selection for Sunday. Fleming in goals and sone ew faces in the backs.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on January 07, 2017, 03:32:51 PM
KELLY NAMES TEAM FOR WALSH CUP CLASH

Laois Senior Hurling manager Eamonn Kelly has announced his starting 15 for Sunday's Walsh Cup Round 1 game with NUIG at 2pm in Rathdowney.

1. Eoin Fleming (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

2. Eoin Doyle (Clough Ballacolla)

3. Darren Maher (Clough Ballacolla)

4. Podge Lawlor (Ballinakill)

5. Ryan Mullaney (Castletown)

6. Leigh Bergin (Shanahoe)

7. Sean Downey (Ballinakill)

8. Paddy Whelan (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

9. Cian Taylor (Portlaoise)

10. Eanna Lyons (Ballyfin)

11. Ben Conroy (Slieve Bloom)

12. PJ Scully (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

13. Willie Dunphy (Clough Ballacolla)

14. Neil Foyle (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

15. Ross King (Rathdowney Errill)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on January 08, 2017, 06:24:04 PM
Well, after a dire first 25 minutes, after which they trailed by 0-11 to 0-2, Laois actually played OK. Ben Conroy's goal, after a good run, just before half time, probably laid the foundation, but second half goals from Willie Dunphy and Ross King turned it around. Mind you, NUIG aren't exactly star-studded, so you'd want to be beating them.
For most of the first half, the only Laois player to catch the eye was Paddy Purcell, but once Ryan Mullaney and Leigh Bergin came into it, things improved. In the second half, then, Scully, and King hit form a bit, but Willie Dunphy showed some real good touches. Young Corby had a nightmare in the first half, but was unlucky not to get a goal in the second, while Neil Foyle was way off the pace. Ben Conroy played pretty well, and Sean Downey showed some potential. However, to revert to a sweeper in the second half was a little discouraging.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: beano on January 08, 2017, 06:59:54 PM
Yeh agree with most of that, we were way off the pace in first half and lacked direction and any sort of a plan. However after the first goal we changed and suddenly looked like a team and played some decent stuff. The pleasing thing was to see leaders in the team stand up and be counted, Purcell , king, Dunphy and scully along with Mullaney. After a poor first half I thought Eanna Lyons came into it along with Downey. A good days work, lots to improve on in terms of skill and fitness.
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 08, 2017, 08:17:29 PM
Can't fault the character and work rate once we got going. NUIG was filled with Galway and Clare lads and they could hurl. Looked sharp enough and their age profile and ours was about the same. Was impressed with how we grew into it given how the shape of the team is so different these days. Leigh Bergin, Ryan Mullaney, Paddy Purcell, PJ Scully, Roddy King stood up and you can see these lads being the heart of the team for years to come. They are all still really young though as were most of those around them and in reality there are only a few 'big' names to come back in. Eanna Lyons caught some great balls when we were under pressure and looks a great half forward prospect.
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Post by: redsetanta on January 08, 2017, 11:19:58 PM
Wasn't there today lads but sounds like it was a decent performance in the end and sound like ye were reasonably impressed by what you saw. Brilliant to hear the younger lads did well in the end. No doubt there's talent there. It is only the Walsh Cup and it's early in the year but it would be great to see these lads playing in Croke Park. It would do much for hurling in the county.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 09, 2017, 09:44:38 AM
Does anyone know for sure who was missing yesterday that is definitely involved this year?

Picky, Cha, Cahir?, Darren Maher, Dwayne Palmer, Mark Kavanagh, Colm Stapleton, Enda Rowland, Matthew Whelan, John Lennon. I'm guessing all of these will be back at some point following colleges or injury. Anyone else? Is Joe Campion back? I am guessing Zane is a no.

I think there is a couple of really tough years coming up and that we will have to be very patient. The team has transformed completely since 2015 and will likely struggle physically against established teams. Plenty of skillful hurlers committing so hopefully they can stay together for a few years to build a platform for the future.



Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on January 09, 2017, 10:06:31 AM
Does anyone know for sure who was missing yesterday that is definitely involved this year?

Picky, Cha, Cahir?, Darren Maher, Dwayne Palmer, Mark Kavanagh, Colm Stapleton, Enda Rowland, Matthew Whelan, John Lennon. I'm guessing all of these will be back at some point following colleges or injury. Anyone else? Is Joe Campion back? I am guessing Zane is a no.

I think there is a couple of really tough years coming up and that we will have to be very patient. The team has transformed completely since 2015 and will likely struggle physically against established teams. Plenty of skillful hurlers committing so hopefully they can stay together for a few years to build a platform for the future.
Problem is, in those few tough years that we're due, we're asking young hurlers to carry the brunt of it until they mature. By the time they mature, they may very well be sick of the slog and slip off, or have their confidence irretrievably shattered from the experience. We've seen this before sadly.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on January 09, 2017, 10:19:36 AM


Picky, Cha, Cahir?, Darren Maher, Dwayne Palmer, Mark Kavanagh, Colm Stapleton, Enda Rowland, Matthew Whelan, John Lennon. I'm guessing all of these will be back at some point following colleges or injury. Anyone else? Is Joe Campion back? I am guessing Zane is a no.


On the programme Darren Maher was listed to start at full back, and Matthew Whelan was listed in the subs. Neither appeared, but I guess they will be involved. Also listed to start was Cian Taylor, but he didn't appear, either.
Yes, of those that played yesterday, was there anyone over 23 or 24, I wonder?
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Post by: burdizzo on January 09, 2017, 02:22:29 PM
Those three weren't listed on the programme. Are you saying they've all committed for the year?
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Post by: Don Draper on January 09, 2017, 03:13:08 PM
Campions decision is unfortunate
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Post by: redsetanta on January 09, 2017, 03:40:52 PM
I thought Zane might have come back into the fold as he was out lst year. That was the pattern the last few years.
Pity about Joe is right but it's a big undertaking and one that young lads aren't as happy to make anymore. Is the door open for later in the year or are they out completely?
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Post by: redsetanta on January 10, 2017, 09:50:24 AM
I see where picky was the pick of the bunch for Carlow IT scoring 1-07. Cha chipped in with a few points as well. Rowland, Palmer and Young playing also.

Tadgh Doran is someone I thought would be an addition to the county team. What's the story there if any?
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Post by: hurlingmad on January 11, 2017, 03:01:45 PM
I see where picky was the pick of the bunch for Carlow IT scoring 1-07. Cha chipped in with a few points as well. Rowland, Palmer and Young playing also.

Tadgh Doran is someone I thought would be an addition to the county team. What's the story there if any?
Tadgh Doran being overlooked is simply beyond me, solid shot stopper and not as prone to blunders as reilly, no critism to reilly of course as i understand the massive effort they have put in the last few years under cheddar
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Post by: redsetanta on January 11, 2017, 04:01:31 PM
Just realised my error, it was Tadgh Dowling of Rathdowney/Errill I meant.

Doran is a very good keeper but Fleming is worth his place for now though and I think it will be between him and Rowland for the jersey!
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Post by: TP Ashe on January 11, 2017, 07:29:39 PM
Tadgh rejected the opportunity to join the panel I believe.

Good hurler and I do feel he'd have had something to offer the panel but it's backs we're in desperate need of to be honest...
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Post by: hurlingmad on January 11, 2017, 07:39:02 PM
Just realised my error, it was Tadgh Dowling of Rathdowney/Errill I meant.

Doran is a very good keeper but Fleming is worth his place for now though and I think it will be between him and Rowland for the jersey!
Oh now i get yoy, yeah fleming is a solid young keeper, Tadgh Dowling has loads of ability but consistancy is the problem i guess
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: hurlingmad on January 11, 2017, 07:44:18 PM
Tadgh rejected the opportunity to join the panel I believe.

Good hurler and I do feel he'd have had something to offer the panel but it's backs we're in desperate need of to be honest...
Is Cahir Healy still making the commute from London? If so that is dedication hardly matched anywhere in the country, and its hard to see where we will get these backs from, Eric Kileen can only improve as he is a big strong lad for his age, But that mix of youth and experience is what we lack at the moment
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 12, 2017, 12:44:22 PM
Yes and I think it is specifically half backs and corner backs we are in greater need of. Mullaney, Leigh Bergin and Eric Killeen look far more suited to central roles. Would be great to see a few pacy corner men coming through.
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Post by: redsetanta on January 12, 2017, 01:04:55 PM
It would help the team if the likes of Butch Stapleton could give it one more year to help with the younger team and panel members as well as filling one of the corner positions. He's still young enough.
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Post by: Don Draper on January 12, 2017, 02:52:42 PM
It would help the team if the likes of Butch Stapleton could give it one more year to help with the younger team and panel members as well as filling one of the corner positions. He's still young enough.
He retired due to injury, to be fair to Butch, he gave his all for as long as he could. Hunting nippy corner forwards in the modern era is a young mans game and requires you to be in the whole of your health, anyone in O'Moore Park v Dublin 2 years ago will tell you Butch's time as gamekeeper was up on those knees in the state they were in. He owed us nothing more. Best of luck to him giving a few years to his club now.
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Post by: redsetanta on January 12, 2017, 03:06:14 PM
I would never question the mans committment to the Laois jersey and he stood up manys a time. The televised league game v Cork a couple of years back showed his metal.
I didn't realise he was that bad with injury. It's just a pity the likes of himself and Willie have had to leave the fold when so many new young lads are coming through.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on January 12, 2017, 03:15:23 PM
I would never question the mans committment to the Laois jersey and he stood up manys a time. The televised league game v Cork a couple of years back showed his metal.
I didn't realise he was that bad with injury. It's just a pity the likes of himself and Willie have had to leave the fold when so many new young lads are coming through.
Sadly thats the problem we've had over and over in Laois. Blood young lads early, they're whipped, flogged and beaten down by the time the next generation arrive, shuffle off, and the circle starts again.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on January 15, 2017, 03:33:42 PM
A bit of a non event in the end but a long time since Laois put up such a high score in a competitive game. Leigh Bergin very good at full back and plenty of good performances all over the field. Looking forward to seeing this team in action next week against the Tribesmen.
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Post by: burdizzo on January 15, 2017, 04:22:33 PM
Well, yes, DIT's good players (Jack Guiney, Liam Blanchfield) weren't playing, so it was a bit of a 'men against boys' scenario. Mind you, Tommy Doyle, Westmeath's full-back, gave Neil Foyle plenty of it, though Foyle was quick enough to react to a goal-keeping c**k-up to pounce for a goal. Anyway, much better than last week, nearly everyone played well enough, or at least were allowed to shine. Some super points - and a good hand - from Willy Dunphy in the first half. Nice 1-1 from Keating, good to see Matt Whelan back in, and Leigh Bergin played very well at full-back. Might be worth another go there? Probably the unhappiest will be sub-goalie Stephen Kelly, who dropped a few balls, one of which ended up in the net. Hard to come in cold like that, though.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Unlaoised on January 17, 2017, 11:13:41 AM
Tommy Doyle is an superb hurler and a big big strong lad he would make beeter county Teams than Westmeath so Foyle probably had his hands full.

Looking forward to the Galway game to see a few of these young lads in action!
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Post by: clonadmad on January 17, 2017, 11:43:58 AM
Tommy Doyle is an superb hurler and a big big strong lad he would make beeter county Teams than Westmeath so Foyle probably had his hands full.

Looking forward to the Galway game to see a few of these young lads in action!

He is indeed,Callinan struggled with him in the Railway Cup game.
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 17, 2017, 05:13:25 PM
Anyone know how the Laois players did for IT Carlow in the Offaly draw on Sunday?
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Post by: Unlaoised on January 18, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
Anyone know how the Laois players did for IT Carlow in the Offaly draw on Sunday?

Heard Rowland was superb in the sticks!Thats all!
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Post by: Tobias on January 18, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
I see Cha is not on the panel for the match against Meath. Is he injured? What's the story with Cahir Healy and Darren Maher?
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Post by: TP Ashe on January 19, 2017, 12:13:37 AM
Picky definitely missed the Offaly game, I think I heard Cha did as well.
Healy should be back for the league.

Darren Maher was on the sideline against NUIG, was togged but didn't feature against DIT. Presume he's injured, will be interesting to see if he can shift Leigh Bergin.

Tom Delaney not on the panel for 2017. New business a factor apparently.

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Post by: redsetanta on January 19, 2017, 11:08:58 AM
Cha played first half and impressed with 1-04. Picky with 6 points and Rowland and Dwayne Palmer playing.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dwyer-shines-brightest-in-eightgoal-epic-35379543.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/dwyer-shines-brightest-in-eightgoal-epic-35379543.html)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on January 19, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
Is A Mortimer a young Camross man?
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Post by: TP Ashe on January 19, 2017, 12:19:08 PM
Is A Mortimer a young Camross man?

He is.
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Post by: TP Ashe on January 22, 2017, 05:24:55 PM
Decent workout from Laois today.

I know Galway were short a few, more than we were to be fair but if we supplement what we have with the likes of Cha, Picky, Lennon and Palmer then we might have cause for some optimism.

Fleming made three stunning saves and must surely hold the starting jersey as things stand.
Leigh Bergin is progressing well at full-back.
Healy was solid but for a really unfortunate error for their goal.
Personally, I'd like Purcell back in midified but he's a great option at centre-back.
Conroy is playing very well.
King, Foyle and Dunphy look sharp and dangerous even though things didn't quite fall for them today.
Lyons, Downey and Corby never stop working and look good additions to the panel.

The Carlow IT lads should give things a boost with the league opener now very much on the horizon.
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Post by: hurlingmad on January 22, 2017, 07:27:41 PM
Decent workout from Laois today.

I know Galway were short a few, more than we were to be fair but if we supplement what we have with the likes of Cha, Picky, Lennon and Palmer then we might have cause for some optimism.

Fleming made three stunning saves and must surely hold the starting jersey as things stand.
Leigh Bergin is progressing well at full-back.
Healy was solid but for a really unfortunate error for their goal.
Personally, I'd like Purcell back in midified but he's a great option at centre-back.
Conroy is playing very well.
King, Foyle and Dunphy look sharp and dangerous even though things didn't quite fall for them today.
Lyons, Downey and Corby never stop working and look good additions to the panel.

The Carlow IT lads should give things a boost with the league opener now very much on the horizon.
Best iv ever seen Fleming hurl, was simply excellent today along with lyons who is very good to catch and win balls, Conroy was lively all day and for january it was a decent game of hurling
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on January 23, 2017, 10:30:33 AM
The Walsh Cup has been a very worthwhile competition for Laois this year. There are two or three players for sure who got their starts and should keep their place for the league opener. Eoin Fleming in goals is fighting for the no 1 jersey and should retain it. Leigh Bergin has been excellent at full back and the likes of Eanna Lyons, Adrian Corby and others have really stood up for the county. Considering the personnel we have lost over the past 12/18 months it's heartening to see these players come in. Cahir back yesterday and then we have Cha playing brilliant stuff for Carlow IT and we have the rest of the IT contingent to come into the reckoning.
As Kelly said after yesterdays game there are 22 players realistically fighting for the 15 starting places. Competition withing the panel will also drive up the standard.
We all know how important the first two league games will be and particularly the Offaly game under lights in O'Moore Park on the 18th Feb. That should be some battle. 
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Post by: redsetanta on January 25, 2017, 10:38:03 AM
Good win for IT Carlow over DIT last night. Rowland, Palmer, Cha and Picky played full game for them with Picky getting 8 points, 5 from play, and Cha chipping in with 4 points.
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Post by: Ogie on January 26, 2017, 10:29:25 AM
Good to see picky back to form, we're going to need him to be on top form this year.

Anyone care to pick our starting 15 for Kerry??
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 26, 2017, 11:33:18 AM
Picky was a phenomenon for Carlow IT last year too but seemed to struggle with the county afterwards. Hopefully he will be back to his best for the year.

My guess at the Kerry 15 -

Fleming
Palmer
Maher
Healy / Lawlor
Mullaney
Whelan
Bergin
Purcell
Downey
Picky
Conroy
Cha
King
Foyle
Willie Dunphy

Good strong bench in terms of forwards. Backs are always the worry with this team.
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Post by: Goku on January 26, 2017, 11:54:47 AM
Fleming/Rowland

Palmer
Bergin
Healy

Mullaney
P Purcell
M Whelan


P Whelan
B Conroy

Picky
Cha
Willie Dunphy

King
Foyle
PJ Scully

While all fine hurlers we could do with a few more physical lads around the team. Hopefully we can make an improvement on last year
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Post by: burdizzo on January 26, 2017, 12:05:00 PM
Goku's much nearer the mark, I'd say. Forwards will rotate a bit, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on January 26, 2017, 12:09:42 PM
Still struggling for go to puck out option on that half forward line. A curse of ours over the last god knows how long, and even worse now with Willie gone.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on January 26, 2017, 12:13:32 PM
If Kelly persists with Leigh Bergin at full back would Darren Maher be ok for one of the corners. He is a tenacious hurler but is full back his 'only' position?

In my opinion centre back has been a problem in the past because as good a hurler as MAtthew is he lacks that bit of pace and agility and can be a bit flat footed at times. Maybe that's the reason Kelly is playing him on the wing.

Conroy seems to be playing well in the middle of the park so he'll probably keep him there. Could Picky do a job at centre back or centre field. We have alot more options in the front six.

Mullaney seems to have cemented a half back position and he is a big physical lad. We need fella's on that line that can win primary possession. That's why Willie Hyland will be such a loss as there is no-one else who can catch a sliotar like him and you need that in a team if you're going anywhere.

Will Kelly dabble with a sweeper at all? Did he play one with Kerry or Offaly?
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Post by: Ogie on January 26, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
I would go with
Fleming

Palmer
Bergin
?? Healy was prob our poorest defender the last day,

Mullaney (altho doesn't look fit)
Matt
?? Awful pity Tom Delaney not on board

Paddy Whelan
Ben Conroy

Cha
Paddy Purcell
Picky

King
Foyle
Dunphy
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 26, 2017, 01:16:27 PM
Cahir definitely needs more game time and is a risk in the corner for now - I thought Lawlor did well enough in the Walsh cup.

We got destroyed for pace against Kerry twice last year. Bergin is more mobile and versatile so might be put back out the field for now, maybe even centre back. Darren Maher is a full back or nothing. Mullaney looks unfit but still manages to cover huge ground and can win his own ball. Paddy Purcell is probably not a centre back.

Would not drop Downey, he looks very comfortable at this level and scraps well around the middle. He has pace and skill and mops up ball.

Eanna Lyons is another half forward option. Doesn't score much but has a great hand and is a good scrapper.
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Post by: redsetanta on January 26, 2017, 01:39:43 PM
That's it really, we need to get the balance right between the more skillful hurlers and the scrappers. Unfortunately we don't have enough hurlers who have both!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: HURLING1 on January 28, 2017, 07:26:55 PM
Darren Maher retired???
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: hurlingmad on January 28, 2017, 07:46:16 PM
Darren Maher retired???

Just seen that on facebook, saying his heart wasnt in it and he is one of the oldest players on the panel, he was a great servant and ballacolla will be strong this year with himself amd willie there full time
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on January 29, 2017, 12:42:49 AM
In fairness he didn't always commit these last few years.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: town1980 on January 29, 2017, 05:07:09 PM
He nor committed properly and was never at that true standard.,, we need committed fellas n both codes
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on January 29, 2017, 07:43:08 PM
He nor committed properly and was never at that true standard.,, we need committed fellas n both codes
There was nothing wrong with Darren Maher's commitment, to say otherwise is horseshit.

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Post by: hurlingmad on January 29, 2017, 08:29:46 PM
He nor committed properly and was never at that true standard.,, we need committed fellas n both codes
So nearly ten years with the county isnt commitmeny? And the true standard you speak of could be said of any Laois player but its not for lack of effort from those involved, it is working with what we have available
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on January 30, 2017, 01:31:35 PM
Can anyone stick up the league & round robin fixtures?
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Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on January 30, 2017, 04:15:34 PM
Hurling League Fixtures 2017

Allianz HL Division 1A

Round 1
Saturday 11 February – Dublin v Tipperary, Cork v Clare
Sunday 12 February – Kilkenny v Waterford

Round 2
Saturday 18 February – Cork v Dublin
Sunday 19 February – Clare v Kilkenny, Waterford v Tipperary

Round 3
Saturday 4 March – Dublin v Waterford
Sunday 5 March – Kilkenny v Cork, Tipperary v Clare

Round 4
Saturday 11 March – Tipperary v Kilkenny
Sunday 12 March – Clare v Dublin, Waterford v Cork

Round 5
Sunday 26 March – Clare v Waterford, Cork v Tipperary, Dublin v Kilkenny


Allianz HL Division 1B

Round 1
Saturday 11 February – Kerry v Laois, Offaly v Galway, Wexford v Limerick

Round 2
Saturday 18 February – Laois v Offaly, Limerick v Kerry
Sunday 19 February – Galway v Wexford

Round 3
Saturday 4 March – Limerick v Offaly
Sunday 5 March – Galway v Laois, Wexford v Kerry

Round 4
Saturday 11 March – Laois v Limerick
Sunday 12 March – Kerry v Galway, Offaly v Wexford

Round 5
Sunday 26 March – Kerry v Offaly, Limerick v Galway, Wexford v Laois
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 30, 2017, 05:27:04 PM
I hope things go well between now and 18th February - could define our year!

Could be a rough March if we are beaten by Kerry and Offaly.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on January 30, 2017, 05:48:28 PM
There's no 'could' about it. Our season hangs on the first two games. I am confident enough that we have the right man in charge to get us over these hurdles but it will be up to the players on the day.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on January 31, 2017, 09:33:03 AM
Yes, the management team do look very competent and are adding freshness. The big question is whether we have enough players that can cut it at this level. We have to be much better than last year and we still essentially have a young inexperienced team.
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Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on February 02, 2017, 09:08:37 PM
I see donnacha harnett of mountmellick was conor back for Cork IT and MJ Lawlor of Ballypickas scoring 2 points at full forward for maynooth, havnt seen campion down for lit or scully and bergin for ul though
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Post by: redsetanta on February 03, 2017, 09:27:24 AM
A draw for Carlow IT yesterday with Picky knocking over the dead balls scoring 9 points (1 from play). Hopefully he brings that accuracy in for the county as we'll need it.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on February 03, 2017, 01:03:26 PM
Looked at the highlights of IT Carlows game on FB, Picky had a great game actually, made a number of scores, Cha with two super points

Joe campion hurled at full forward for LIT, PJ Scully still recovering from injury came on late for UL,
Was wondering who the D Hartnett Laois was alright,
Dwyane Palmer corner back for IT Carlow, Aaron Mortimer an unused sub,
Colm Stapleton with Mary I, is Leigh Bergin in college?
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Post by: redsetanta on February 03, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
I take it that Mark Kavanagh from Rathdowney that's hurling with Carlow IT.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: TP Ashe on February 03, 2017, 05:23:17 PM
That's Marty Kavanagh from Carlow I'm afraid.

I presume Mark is still injured. Regardless, he'd only be a fresher and thus ineligible for Fitzgibbon.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 03, 2017, 05:36:05 PM
Ah right.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 05, 2017, 03:58:02 PM
Minor Challenge in Portlaoise,yesterday

Laois 0-07 Tipperary 5-27
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Post by: redsetanta on February 05, 2017, 04:22:33 PM
Jaysus.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: hurlingmad on February 05, 2017, 04:42:41 PM
Challenge in UL,yesterday

Laois 0-07 Tipperary 5-27
Oh dear!!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 05, 2017, 04:55:25 PM
Without the Fitzgibbon lads i assume but what's the point playing Tipp if we're being hammered like that. Won't do one bit for confindence.
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Post by: ClashAsh on February 05, 2017, 05:01:04 PM
You can be guaranteed Tipperary were missing as many with college commitments but your point is valid.  The days of laois playing teams like Tipp in challenge games and being competitive with them is well gone. A disaster for morale and confidence within the group.

Strong club teams and midtier Inter-County teams would be much better suited and would enable Laois to compete and getting something tangible out of the games.

Anybody got an idea of the team laois had out?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: TP Ashe on February 05, 2017, 05:01:19 PM
That was our minors.

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 05, 2017, 05:10:26 PM
Even worse but the point still stands.
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Post by: clonadmad on February 05, 2017, 05:13:14 PM
That was our minors.

Worse again if it was,Tipp definitely without 5/6 from templemore who are in the Harty cup final and probably without 3/4 from Nenagh who were beaten in the S/f.

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on February 06, 2017, 10:26:57 AM
In house game yesterday Probables Vs Possibles, Probables line up -
Fleming,
Lawlor
Bergin
Palmer
Mullaney
Purcell
Whelan
Taylor
Conroy
Cha
P Whelan
Picky
roddy
Foyle
Dunphy
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: TP Ashe on February 06, 2017, 11:12:54 AM
Looks harsh on Downey.

I'd have him in ahead of Taylor.

Our defenders will have it tough against a quick Kerry forward line but I'd be hopeful our forwards could cause serious trouble at the other end.

Scully far away Ogie?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on February 06, 2017, 12:46:08 PM
Wasn't at it dunno who hurled well but Scully & Downey were on the possibles team, Fleming went off with an eye or facial injury, hopefully be ok for the weekend after it looks like he might retain the no.1 jersey.
For the first time in I don't know how many years, or maybe ever put forward unit is much stronger than our defence, Massive inexperience back there, against the  better teams I'd fear for our full back line especially.
Realistically our whole year and probably Kellys reign depends on these first two games.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 06, 2017, 02:32:13 PM
ogie
you are right by saying that our backs are off the mark but then we are trying out a few newcomers
downey i would not drop he is a very honest player there is plenty of room for scully i do think that we will
beat kerry offaly will be a different ball game
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: hurlingmad on February 06, 2017, 05:56:13 PM
ogie
you are right by saying that our backs are off the mark but then we are trying out a few newcomers
downey i would not drop he is a very honest player there is plenty of room for scully i do think that we will
beat kerry offaly will be a different ball game
From what iv seen in the walsh cup i am impressed by eanna lyons work rate, he wont set the scoreboard alight but he has a good work rate amd good under a high ball
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 06, 2017, 10:45:16 PM
Minor Challenge in Portlaoise,yesterday

Laois 0-07 Tipperary 5-27

By all accounts, and results, this is quite a weak minor team. Seemingly the U14 and U16 teams coming up after them are much more promising.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 07, 2017, 11:59:19 AM
While we'd all want to see our best 15 on the field it is good to have some decent options from the bench. Having the likes of Downey and Lyons to come in if needed is what's required nowadays. Most of us would differ on a starting 15 but realistically it's a 18-20 man game and good lads on the bench are important.
We had alotof debutants in the football against Louth and things didn't work out. Maybe a slight bit of caution regarding experience and not throwing too many lads in from the start.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 07, 2017, 01:57:50 PM
yes i agree we have a few players now to come in and its looking good for all our sake lets get behind our hurlers now and work with what we have bear in mind we still have a couple of top class players out there but some clubs still put themselves first pity
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Unlaoised on February 07, 2017, 04:19:02 PM
Lyons was very decent underage and has talent ...He will work hard but lads saying he is strong under the high ball??

For his size(he must be 6-2 or more)I think at the moment he is weak enough ...

Is he any relation to the physio Enda Lyons who runs in on the field to attend players the last few years with Laois?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Camarillo Brillo on February 07, 2017, 04:33:28 PM
I agree with with that, at the moment he is weak enough, he needs more time to develop properly.

He is a son of Enda Lyons.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on February 07, 2017, 07:04:53 PM
See Picky Maher scoring 3.12 today for IT Carlow and PJ Scully coming off bench and getting 1.1. Hopefully firing on all cylinders for Sunday.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 07, 2017, 09:24:08 PM
Picky has been the scorer in chief for IT Carlow this year. Thats some personal tally though. We're going to need him on the next two weekends.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 07, 2017, 10:18:01 PM
IT Carlow obviously went for it tonight to outscore Marys'. How did it finish up? Did they top the group?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on February 07, 2017, 10:33:32 PM
IT Carlow obviously went for it tonight to outscore Marys'. How did it finish up? Did they top the group?

Finished 2nd. They play UL in q final. All up on hoganstand website.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 07, 2017, 10:54:01 PM
IT Carlow obviously went for it tonight to outscore Marys'. How did it finish up? Did they top the group?

Finished 2nd. They play UL in q final. All up on hoganstand website.

They will earn it against UL
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Unlaoised on February 08, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
Kerry missing 5 or 6 keys players I hear this could be a chance to lay down a marker in this division ...Must win game as is Offaly after it!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 08, 2017, 04:01:18 PM
I don't think it's about laying down a marker as realistically there are only two games that we can win. Kerry away and Offaly at home. It's hard to think that our interest in the league starts Sunday and finishes the following Saturday evening at 9pm because these are the only games that really matter win or lose.
If we manage to win both we have a very good chance of staying up even though Offaly could get something from their other games as they are capable of that. Our form in the league is brutal outside of the likes of Kerry, Offaly, Antrim, Carlow etc so we will not pick up points anywhere else.
I'd love to be proved wrong but can't see it happening. Win the first two and avoid any big defeats in the event it goes to points difference.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 08, 2017, 06:31:53 PM
i think we must have belief we can beat kerry and offaly bear in mind when we met galway we gave them a run for there mney i know they were short but we also were short i would be very clear in my thinking that we could get a win also against galway our record against galway is not all that bad in recent years thanks to cheddar so lets get behind the team and move on
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 08, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
i think we must have belief we can beat kerry and offaly bear in mind when we met galway we gave them a run for there mney i know they were short but we also were short i would be very clear in my thinking that we could get a win also against galway our record against galway is not all that bad in recent years thanks to cheddar so lets get behind the team and move on

We have no chance of beating a Galway team who are in top 3 in the country.

There are 2 leagues in 1B,our aim should be to beat Kerry and Offaly and avoid automatic relegation.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 09, 2017, 04:13:06 PM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/234594/preview-young-laois-side-face-difficult-task-in-retaining-division-1b-status.html (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/234594/preview-young-laois-side-face-difficult-task-in-retaining-division-1b-status.html)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: hurlingmad on February 11, 2017, 08:53:27 PM
Cha Starting full forward, Paddy Purcell back in midfield
Not a bad team to face kerry tomorrow
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 12, 2017, 09:26:56 AM
Good starting 15 foyle at 11 has he the pace I would have taught that he was going OK inside downey and Lyon's left out is a dissapointment Taylor I would think will start with Conroy at midfield has plenty of stamina and ability we must try and keep our lines from here now dunphy will benefit from cha and picky Palmer back in will keep a watchful eye in around that corner nice to see Flemming retained as he is a joy to watch even though Rowland is top class if we can organise our backs and our midfielders do as they are doing all up to now we I'll win today
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 12, 2017, 11:16:56 AM
I can't see them starting in those positions. Cha is wasted at full forward so won't be staying there. Be a few changes before throw in.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on February 12, 2017, 02:39:51 PM
Seems to be a great first half 13 -4. Hopefully we'll push on again in second half!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 12, 2017, 02:52:52 PM
Great stuff even without Cha playing so well. Fleming pulled off one brilliant save according to Jack Nolan. Get out of thee with any sort of a win  and get ready for Offaly who were very bad today by all accounts.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 12, 2017, 03:25:13 PM
Gone 2 behind with 5 minutes to go!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 12, 2017, 03:32:59 PM
Disaster after such a good first half. How is it we can't score goals??
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: ClashAsh on February 12, 2017, 03:35:41 PM
Atrocious result against a Kerry side missing a lot of first choice starters.
Lose to Offaly in next round and we are sure bet to be relegated.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 12, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
We or lose against Offaly it will be either them or Kerry in a relegation play off.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on February 12, 2017, 04:10:29 PM
There's no play off. Team that's bottom goes down.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Clubber Lang on February 12, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
The inexperience of this current Laois team shone through today. Despite playing very poorly in second half we held a 6 point lead with little over 10 minutes and I think the players thought they had the game won. Kerry got a goal and instead of taking sting out of game, regaining composure, the sliotar was in the back of Laois net again 60 seconds later. After that there was only going to be one winner. I counted at least 15 wides on kerry's part and a number of those were easy chances that went a begging. In truth once Kerry found their rhythm they were by far the better team and totally outhurled Laois.

 On the evidence of today it's going to be a steep learning curve this year in the league and we will more than likely be in a relegation play off by the end of it. With most of team under the age of 23 I am optimistic that progress can be made and we will develop with games. The concern is with Galway, Wexford and Limerick to come that heavy defeats in these games could have a detrimental impact on the players confidence going forward. Laois need a blend of experience and youth but with Hyland etc no longer there we are very much lacking in that department. Today's loss was clear evidence of this.     
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 12, 2017, 04:47:37 PM
There's no play off. Team that's bottom goes down.
Proper order too
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 12, 2017, 04:48:24 PM
The inexperience of this current Laois team shone through today. Despite playing very poorly in second half we held a 6 point lead with little over 10 minutes and I think the players thought they had the game won. Kerry got a goal and instead of taking sting out of game, regaining composure, the sliotar was in the back of Laois net again 60 seconds later. After that there was only going to be one winner. I counted at least 15 wides on kerry's part and a number of those were easy chances that went a begging. In truth once Kerry found their rhythm they were by far the better team and totally outhurled Laois.

 On the evidence of today it's going to be a steep learning curve this year in the league and we will more than likely be in a relegation play off by the end of it. With most of team under the age of 23 I am optimistic that progress can be made and we will develop with games. The concern is with Galway, Wexford and Limerick to come that heavy defeats in these games could have a detrimental impact on the players confidence going forward. Laois need a blend of experience and youth but with Hyland etc no longer there we are very much lacking in that department. Today's loss was clear evidence of this.     
Laois need experienced defenders, we haven't a screed of a one at present.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 12, 2017, 05:20:47 PM
Went over with a Galway friend of mine today to Tullamore

Offaly are woeful

Whoever loses the Laois v Oy game is going down

my understanding is bottom team in each division gets relegated

http://www.gaa.ie/news/allianz-leagues-condensed-2017
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 12, 2017, 05:37:20 PM
Went over with a Galway friend of mine today to Tullamore

Offaly are woeful

Whoever loses the Laois v Oy game is going down

my understanding is bottom team in each division gets relegated

http://www.gaa.ie/news/allianz-leagues-condensed-2017
That is correct, score difference could have a big say though. A win wont keep you up necessarily.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 12, 2017, 05:41:06 PM
I thought the bottom two teams still played off with the loser automatically down. No playoff between top of 2a and bottom 1b though.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 12, 2017, 07:25:35 PM
Don what do you mean proper order we certainly haven't backs good enough what we are going to do I don't know no point putting healy at that end of the field foyle was not the problem
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Target Man on February 12, 2017, 07:41:53 PM
Went over with a Galway friend of mine today to Tullamore

Offaly are woeful

Whoever loses the Laois v Oy game is going down

my understanding is bottom team in each division gets relegated

http://www.gaa.ie/news/allianz-leagues-condensed-2017

According to PDF at bottom of that page you linked there is still playoff between 5th and 6th in 1B
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 12, 2017, 07:51:31 PM
Don what do you mean proper order we certainly haven't backs good enough what we are going to do I don't know no point putting healy at that end of the field foyle was not the problem
The play off with the winners of 2A was unfair. I was delighted last year but that doesn't make it right.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 12, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
Went over with a Galway friend of mine today to Tullamore

Offaly are woeful

Whoever loses the Laois v Oy game is going down

my understanding is bottom team in each division gets relegated

http://www.gaa.ie/news/allianz-leagues-condensed-2017

According to PDF at bottom of that page you linked there is still playoff between 5th and 6th in 1B

Pile of shite if there is

If your at the bottom after the 5 games down you go,same goes for promotion

Give that promotion/relegation weekend back to the clubs

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 13, 2017, 12:02:29 PM
It just shows you that smaller counties can't afford the luxury of one of their main men having an off day. When was the last time Cha didn't register a score for the county?
Two teams short of confidence but not short of motivation going into next weekends game. It mightn't be pretty  but it should be a right battle. There's a right chance we will be doing it again in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 15, 2017, 02:40:50 PM
Carlow IT beat UL 4-16 to 0-23.

Don't have a report on the game but It Carlow twitter account saying Rowland made 3 exceptional saves in the first half.

I think they meet Mary Immaculate again in the semi final.


Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 15, 2017, 03:45:02 PM
UCC
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 15, 2017, 03:57:14 PM
According to the Wiki page for the 2017 comp they play Mary's. UCC play winners of second quarter today. Although I see elsewhere it is UCC which makes more sense seeing as MAry's and Carlow were in the same group.

I hope the Laois lads bring the winning mentality to O'Moore Park Saturday.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Unlaoised on February 15, 2017, 04:59:36 PM
Carlow IT beat UL 4-16 to 0-23.

Don't have a report on the game but It Carlow twitter account saying Rowland made 3 exceptional saves in the first half.

I think they meet Mary Immaculate again in the semi final.

I hear it was a firey encounter with Dj carey the Carlow manager boxing on the line and all...Ref was supposed to have got in and played with  UL
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 16, 2017, 01:17:35 AM
Here is the team...

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And here are the goals...


https://www.facebook.com/HigherEdGAA/videos/1189918177742927/
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Post by: redsetanta on February 16, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
Any lads have any news on how training has been going or any info on likely team for Saturday?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 17, 2017, 09:50:20 AM
Laois Senior Hurling manager Eamonn Kelly has announced his starting 15 for Saturday's Allianz Hurling League Division 1B against Offaly in O'Moore Park.


1. Enda Rowland (St Lazerian's Abbeyleix)

2. Dwane Palmer (Camross)

3. Leigh Bergin (Shanahoe)

4. Padraig Lawlor (Ballinakill)

5. Cahir Healy (Portlaoise)

6. Matthew Whelan (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

7. Ryan Mullaney (Castletown)

8. Patrick Purcell (Rathdowney Errill)

9. Ben Conroy (Slieve Bloom)

10. Stephen Maher (Clough Ballacolla)

11. Charles Dwyer (Ballinakill)

12. Paddy Whelan (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

13. Willie Dunphy (Clough Ballacolla)

14. Neil Foyle (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

15. Ross King (Rathdowney Errill)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
Seriously competitive half back line. Will need to be.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 17, 2017, 10:30:56 AM
good half back line but i would have great concerns with palmer im my opinion he is too timed and does not take the game by the scruff of the neck he was always a sweeper on cheddars team and forward with camross not up to this position as we saw in kerry it was our inside back line that really let us down sorry for having to be blunt i also think mullaney needs to let that ball off faster this was a factorin kerry hope healy is up for it was not happy coming off field against kerry did not warm down very slow against galway gave away 3 defenite points we can not afford that go to see a good parternaship with conroy at centerfield after all he is one player that has shone out this year and the only one that took on the kerry defence when it mattered conroy is a big asset paudge lawlor is trying well love to see downey in the mix all in all we have enough to beat offally
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 11:37:31 AM
Cahir is a big game player and a leader, he'll have himself right. We're lacking corner backs, so Palmer will have to step up, simple as that. If Healy was pissed off last weekend, he has an ideal chance to prove that Saturday. No better man. I expect a big big one from Cha.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 17, 2017, 12:34:53 PM
Seriously competitive half back line. Will need to be.

Winning primary possession has been the number one failing of this team in the last couple of years. The Kerry game showed this again. Cahir is a good addition to the middle 8 but MAJOR improvement is needed from the other 7 in the air and on the ground.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 12:48:28 PM
Seriously competitive half back line. Will need to be.

Winning primary possession has been the number one failing of this team in the last couple of years. The Kerry game showed this again. Cahir is a good addition to the middle 8 but MAJOR improvement is needed from the other 7 in the air and on the ground.
Yep. I could easily have swapped combatative with competitive. We sorely lack ball winners on either half line. This line should at least compete. Paddy on the half forward line is obviously an attempt to rectify this up there. Picky will need to stick the paw up too.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 17, 2017, 01:17:22 PM
And if they are not successful with the paw they should be making damned sure that the guy they are marking doesn't make the catch.....
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 01:19:26 PM
And if they are not successful with the paw they should be making damned sure that the guy they are marking doesn't make the catch.....
Damn right.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 17, 2017, 02:22:12 PM
i agree with putting the paw up only conroy tries his best in the air we miss willie hyland for that now dont get me wrong healy would be my choice all im saying is he has to have men around him not chaps seing cha last week only getting 2 meatre on the line balls and why he was left on them begs belief what are we paying people for when they cant see this and when we are on the subject of trainers do you all know that the manager of the kerry team never hurled in his life so
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Unlaoised on February 17, 2017, 03:15:14 PM
Full back line is my main worry!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 17, 2017, 04:28:34 PM
could not agree with u more full back line is our main worry
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on February 17, 2017, 04:56:17 PM
Full back line one of the poorest I've ever seen,
I'm told it was pre planned that Fleming would hurl against Kerry & Rowland against Offaly but I feel it's very unfair on Fleming he has been outstanding, hasn't put a foot wrong.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: mountrath1 on February 17, 2017, 05:36:16 PM
Obviously none of ye saw the performance which Dwayne Palmer put in for IT Carlow on John McGrath from Tipp. Have Offaly a forward of that quality inside. I doubt it very much
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 17, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
could not agree with u more full back line is our main worry

It's not so long ago that the likes of Cyril Duggan, Bill Maher and Seamus Dooley were battling it out for places on the full back line. They were serious hurlers at the time. Seems like only a few years ago! Or maybe it's just me getting old!

Obviously none of ye saw the performance which Dwayne Palmer put in for IT Carlow on John McGrath from Tipp. Have Offaly a forward of that quality inside. I doubt it very much

I'd imagine that very few here did see it! Fact remains he was never really trusted or deployed (unsure which) by Cheddar to actually pick somebody up! He doesn't really have any record doing so at intercounty level and has been found wanting on a couple of occasions the last few years!

I don't like being critical of anyone, but I think there are questions around the mobility of Mullaney, Healy, Matthew and Lawlor, for the level we are trying to be competitive at. And there are too many of them playing in the same area of the field.
Compare their mobility to that of Paddy Purcell (who we consider a bit of a freak- but most of the top 6/7 counties are packed with guys of his mobility level).
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Home Boys Home on February 17, 2017, 05:47:25 PM
Obviously none of ye saw the performance which Dwayne Palmer put in for IT Carlow on John McGrath from Tipp. Have Offaly a forward of that quality inside. I doubt it very much

Palmer is fine against light fast corner forwards. Of all the full back line he is the least of our worries. Full back has been a problem since Brian Campion retired and Darren Maher's absence is a big blow.

He has pace, a nice touch and will sweep up behind his corner men alright but I don't think young Bergin has the all-round game suited to full back, at least not yet.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 17, 2017, 06:02:02 PM
I assume they worked on it in training but we need to start scoring goals. We're probably going to concede so without stating the obvious we have to outscore them. We can't rely on points alone. A few bob on Foyle to grab one tomorrow night though I doubt the odds would be great.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 17, 2017, 07:24:12 PM
look no one wants to be criticle of players but our inside back line needs a good shaken up forget the college its now down to buisness does not matter who yu are if your nt good enough for a position then you must make way foyle was hard done last week good to see him keep his place fleming has done everything right and he must be very dissapointed well thats hurling only 15 can start and i hope we have got our best out tomorrow
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
Full back line one of the poorest I've ever seen,
I'm told it was pre planned that Fleming would hurl against Kerry & Rowland against Offaly but I feel it's very unfair on Fleming he has been outstanding, hasn't put a foot wrong.
Neither has Rowland
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ogie on February 17, 2017, 11:20:52 PM
Fleming was in possession so why change now if he's started the league as number 1
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 17, 2017, 11:29:15 PM
Fleming was in possession so why change now if he's started the league as number 1

The most important thing is that come championship the best man for the job is in possession. I don't see any other way of deciding it! Does Kelly wait for Fleming to make one mistake and then drop him and give Rowland a run. And repeat?
The fact that Rowland starts this game doesn't erase Fleming's performance v Kerry, which by all accounts was exceptional.

I think you may be looked at this with a slightly biased viewpoint.
And btw I was and am delighted to see Fleming in there- I think he will ultimately end up as Number 1.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 17, 2017, 11:34:34 PM
Fleming was in possession so why change now if he's started the league as number 1
I would imagine nobody was in possession. Both are excellent keepers, we've never had it so good in that position. Just hope they can both drive each other on, and at the same time, be content backing up the other.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on February 17, 2017, 11:59:29 PM
Rowland does have the ability to knock over a free which could be the difference.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 18, 2017, 12:06:20 AM
Rowland does have the ability to knock over a free which could be the difference.

I would say Fleming scored 0-15/0-20 last year in league and championship from frees for Borris Kilcotton
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: TP Ashe on February 18, 2017, 01:24:20 AM
Fleming is a great lad and a technically sound keeper but Rowland has a far higher ceiling. That's the reason every single underage coach picked him as #1....

I can't see us keeping within 8 of Offaly to be honest...

I think our half-back line will get ripped to shreds.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Tobias on February 18, 2017, 12:19:16 PM
Fleming is a great lad and a technically sound keeper but Rowland has a far higher ceiling. That's the reason every single underage coach picked him as #1....

I can't see us keeping within 8 of Offaly to be honest...

I think our half-back line will get ripped to shreds.


I don't agree, Offaly are no better than we are and they have a few lads injured. We need to be more consistent and perform for the 70 minutes. I think we have a good chance of winning this. I wouldn't be worried about our half back line, I think it's a strong line in fact.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: G@@ on February 18, 2017, 08:44:35 PM
Fleming is a great lad and a technically sound keeper but Rowland has a far higher ceiling. That's the reason every single underage coach picked him as #1....

I can't see us keeping within 8 of Offaly to be honest...

I think our half-back line will get ripped to shreds.

Thankfully your prediction was way off... Laois 1-26 v 1-20 Offaly. A great result for the lads tonight, a much needed morale boost. Laois were 7pts up when Offaly were reduced to 13 men, so slightly worrying that we didn't have the killer streak to bury them by 10+ pts. Still though, a win over the old enemy is worth it! :)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 18, 2017, 09:25:21 PM
Fleming is a great lad and a technically sound keeper but Rowland has a far higher ceiling. That's the reason every single underage coach picked him as #1....

I can't see us keeping within 8 of Offaly to be honest...

I think our half-back line will get ripped to shreds.

Thankfully your prediction was way off... Laois 1-26 v 1-20 Offaly. A great result for the lads tonight, a much needed morale boost. Laois were 7pts up when Offaly were reduced to 13 men, so slightly worrying that we didn't have the killer streak to bury them by 10+ pts. Still though, a win over the old enemy is worth it! :)

Wouldn't been too upset about not running up the scoreboard. We  emptied our bench and Cha, Picky, Dwane etc all pulled up the handbrake a bit after a **** of a week tbf. Woulda been fun to bury them but best leave them limp along for fear they'd do something drastic and improve their lot.

We're awful young lads, awful young. They're poor, we're marginally better with a bit more scope to develop but, as has been well flagged here, we lack physicality in the backs and well backs in general.

Anyway, nothing we don't know, a good win all things considered, always nice to beat them. The sending offs were nailed on, horrible strokes both. Our lads gave a response after last weeks defeat and we have some potential to develop. Credit where it's due. Jaysus but if we'd only finished it out last week look at where we'd be st now though.

Special mention for Cian Taylor, the boy has it.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on February 18, 2017, 09:30:42 PM
I agree, 'twas a shame we didn't win by more, but you have to remember the referee gave Offaly a whole load of terribly soft frees once he sent their second man off. Also, whenever Offaly clawed it back a bit, Laois were able to tag on another point or two.
Thought Bergin did well enough at full-back, despite the misgivings about him. Nice goal from Foyle, even if he may have taken too many steps, and some good point-taking from Dwyer and Dunphy.
Still and all, these two teams could be back in a relegation game in Tullamore, and if Offaly are a bit stronger, would you fancy Laois then?!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 18, 2017, 10:33:15 PM
Good win, job done. Poor game. Don't want to be too negative.

But 2 things;
Why didn't Taylor start?
Why did we wait until Offaly had scored 1-2 before abandoning our 2 man Full back line?! What a crazy situation to allow Offaly play a 2 v 2 set up for the first 6-7 minutes.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: theoldvet on February 19, 2017, 12:38:36 AM
With offaly down to 13 players, you think we would score a few goals
No, same old story.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 19, 2017, 11:10:21 AM
We don't win too many games. None in last years league so we should be glad of a rare win.

I thought we were the better team when Offaly had 15 men and we were poor when they had 13. Winning possession is a huge problem for this team and we competed well until we had spare men and went to sleep for the last 15 minutes again. We gave them no space in the first half but allowed them to find men all over the field in the closing stages. Seem to lose focus and lack a killer instinct.

All in all, our forwards were good and lively and scored some great points. Not sure Paddy Whelan is a forward but the other five played well. Paddy Purcell was excellent in the middle. Ben Conroy will grow into the position. Cian Taylor and Sean Downey are very young and light but have serious potential and both really added to the team last night. Cahir and Mullaney were very strong and lifted it when we lost Matthew and Podge Lawlor. Mullaney really seems to have the right temperament for inter county and is very aggressive. Leigh Bergin played brilliantly and seems to be in the right place when he is needed. Will need time in the position too. We are seriously lacking in corner back cover.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Clubber Lang on February 19, 2017, 01:24:55 PM
While delighted with the win I was worried with how we finished game. Offaly were down to 13 men and still managed two good goal scoring chances in the last ten minutes and Dooley missed few simple frees (looked like he had a goal on his mind taking them). Similar to the Kerry game our intensity and energy levels dropped badly after a strong opening 45/50 minutes. Hopefully as the league progresses this can be improved upon. I know some of our key players were in Fitzgibbon action during week and probably feeling the exertions of 3 games in 7 days but we allowed Offaly almost a route back into that match which would have been unforgivable.

If we end up in a league relegation play-off on scoring difference the lads might look back on this game as a lost opportunity. 8 points up and playing against 13 men for last 20 minutes of game. We really should have be nailing Offaly for a 15 point victory. Top teams show no mercy-look at Galway result against Offaly last week. As mentioned by other posters our failure to create goal scoring chances is another concern. Last night was another prime example of it. We didn't look like adding another goal to our tally in last twenty minutes even with an extra two players on the field. If we are going to challenge later in the year we will need a goal threat. Goals normally win matches and provide teams with momentum.

On a positive note it was great to see our young squad bounce back from last week's disappointing loss. Furthermore, they showed good character after a poor start to the game and they never panicked. Some encouraging signs going forward. Lets hope they can continue on this upward curve and by the time they face Limerick at home hopefully they will be in a position to put up a right challenge.   
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 19, 2017, 05:01:06 PM
Ideal scenario

Offaly narrowly beat Kerry

And we stay competitive for the remaining games,we are currently +20 on Kerry

Which would see us into a q/f against Tipp
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on February 19, 2017, 05:13:37 PM
Ideal?
Offaly will hardly beat Kerry. And whether Laois can be competitive against the rest of the league is a big 'if'!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 19, 2017, 05:53:46 PM
Ideal?
Offaly will hardly beat Kerry. And whether Laois can be competitive against the rest of the league is a big 'if'!

Well if they don't,we will be playing Offaly in a relegation final

Wexford odds on for promotion at this stage,beat ourselves Offaly and Kerry and they go up
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 19, 2017, 07:43:20 PM
Ideal?
Offaly will hardly beat Kerry. And whether Laois can be competitive against the rest of the league is a big 'if'!

Well if they don't,we will be playing Offaly in a relegation final

Wexford odds on for promotion at this stage,beat ourselves Offaly and Kerry and they go up
They only need to win 2 because of the head to heads.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on February 19, 2017, 08:25:27 PM
Maybe they'll throw the one against Laois?!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 19, 2017, 09:49:49 PM
Ideal?
Offaly will hardly beat Kerry. And whether Laois can be competitive against the rest of the league is a big 'if'!

Should Offaly beat Kerry, we would only need to be 'more competitive' than both Kerry and Offaly? That is, not get hammered by 20 points in each of our 3 remaining games. 3 x 10 point losses might be enough to avoid a relegation play off! If Kerry beat Offaly then it will almost certainly be a play off in Tullamore.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 19, 2017, 10:44:44 PM
Ideal?
Offaly will hardly beat Kerry. And whether Laois can be competitive against the rest of the league is a big 'if'!

Should Offaly beat Kerry, we would only need to be 'more competitive' than both Kerry and Offaly? That is, not get hammered by 20 points in each of our 3 remaining games. 3 x 10 point losses might be enough to avoid a relegation play off! If Kerry beat Offaly then it will almost certainly be a play off in Tullamore.

It is difficult to see Offaly beating Kerry from where I'm standing.
On another note stories are flying around all evening about Laois' celebrations this evening following on from yesterdays win. Interesting behaviour in one of our more "exotic" outposts!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 19, 2017, 11:23:30 PM
Maybe they'll throw the one against Laois?!
Depends how much they dislike Offaly.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 19, 2017, 11:24:13 PM
Ideal?
Offaly will hardly beat Kerry. And whether Laois can be competitive against the rest of the league is a big 'if'!

Should Offaly beat Kerry, we would only need to be 'more competitive' than both Kerry and Offaly? That is, not get hammered by 20 points in each of our 3 remaining games. 3 x 10 point losses might be enough to avoid a relegation play off! If Kerry beat Offaly then it will almost certainly be a play off in Tullamore.

It is difficult to see Offaly beating Kerry from where I'm standing.
On another note stories are flying around all evening about Laois' celebrations this evening following on from yesterdays win. Interesting behaviour in one of our more "exotic" outposts!
Spit it out  ;)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 12:05:36 AM
Ideal?
Offaly will hardly beat Kerry. And whether Laois can be competitive against the rest of the league is a big 'if'!

Should Offaly beat Kerry, we would only need to be 'more competitive' than both Kerry and Offaly? That is, not get hammered by 20 points in each of our 3 remaining games. 3 x 10 point losses might be enough to avoid a relegation play off! If Kerry beat Offaly then it will almost certainly be a play off in Tullamore.

It is difficult to see Offaly beating Kerry from where I'm standing.
On another note stories are flying around all evening about Laois' celebrations this evening following on from yesterdays win. Interesting behaviour in one of our more "exotic" outposts!
Spit it out  ;)

Doesn't really matter where. But it seems like unusual behaviour from players AND management.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2017, 08:28:43 AM
I'll take a pm so
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on February 20, 2017, 10:13:05 AM
Doesn't sound great. Maybe it's 'team bonding'...
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: honest hurler on February 20, 2017, 02:15:17 PM
we havent a lot to  be talking about when we now begrudge our team a little night out after all these players are stuck in every week end while the rest of us are out enjoying ourselves so come on stop this childish talk and give them a little break
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2017, 02:22:31 PM
we havent a lot to  be talking about when we now begrudge our team a little night out after all these players are stuck in every week end while the rest of us are out enjoying ourselves so come on stop this childish talk and give them a little break
Agreed.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 02:51:13 PM
we havent a lot to  be talking about when we now begrudge our team a little night out after all these players are stuck in every week end while the rest of us are out enjoying ourselves so come on stop this childish talk and give them a little break

Depends on your perspective etc.
I wasn't referring to a "night out".
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2017, 02:56:11 PM
So what happened Keyser

Strippers?

Coke?

Dwarf Throwing?

Or lads going for a few pints,which used to be called bonding back in the day
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: les Antiques on February 20, 2017, 03:04:06 PM
It's a amazing how rumours get started . A few pints all it was actually . People are way too quick too judge . Regarding the match itself it was thoroughly deserved . We can analyse all we want but losing on Saturday would have been catastrophic for this young team . Offalys discipline was poor and they ultimately suffered . Take Dooley out of that team and there in serious bother .
Laois need to cause one major shock in this campaign to avoid a relegation play -off .  One of Wexford ,Galway ,Wexford or Limerick are going to have a major off day for this to happen .   
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 03:08:35 PM
So what happened Keyser

Strippers?

Coke?

Dwarf Throwing?

Or lads going for a few pints,which used to be called bonding back in the day

Dunno Clonadmad but no doubt you'll commission a committee of some sort to look into.
Haven't you a juvenile academy to busy yourself with?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 03:09:56 PM
It's a amazing how rumours get started . A few pints all it was actually . People are way too quick too judge . Regarding the match itself it was thoroughly deserved . We can analyse all we want but losing on Saturday would have been catastrophic for this young team . Offalys discipline was poor and they ultimately suffered . Take Dooley out of that team and there in serious bother .
Laois need to cause one major shock in this campaign to avoid a relegation play -off .  One of Wexford ,Galway ,Wexford or Limerick are going to have a major off day for this to happen .

They are in serious bother. But I wouldn't agree that Dooley was up to much. I don't think he offers a whole lot from play.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2017, 03:11:24 PM
It's a amazing how rumours get started . A few pints all it was actually . People are way too quick too judge . Regarding the match itself it was thoroughly deserved . We can analyse all we want but losing on Saturday would have been catastrophic for this young team . Offalys discipline was poor and they ultimately suffered . Take Dooley out of that team and there in serious bother .
Laois need to cause one major shock in this campaign to avoid a relegation play -off .  One of Wexford ,Galway ,Wexford or Limerick are going to have a major off day for this to happen .

They are in serious bother. But I wouldn't agree that Dooley was up to much. I don't think he offers a whole lot from play.
Hes not the player he was, chronic back problems have seen to that.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2017, 03:24:59 PM
So what happened Keyser

Strippers?

Coke?

Dwarf Throwing?

Or lads going for a few pints,which used to be called bonding back in the day

Dunno Clonadmad but no doubt you'll commission a committee of some sort to look into.
Haven't you a juvenile academy to busy yourself with?

Not like you to make a mountain out of a molehill

Oh wait.......
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 03:35:55 PM
So what happened Keyser

Strippers?

Coke?

Dwarf Throwing?

Or lads going for a few pints,which used to be called bonding back in the day

Dunno Clonadmad but no doubt you'll commission a committee of some sort to look into.
Haven't you a juvenile academy to busy yourself with?

Not like you to make a mountain out of a molehill

Oh wait.......

You are so wise.
Another one to add the list of statements you can't stand over.
Did ye order all those extra sets of Clonad jerseys yet for all the Raheen hurlers ye have taken under yer wing?

And just to clarify. A night out after two rounds of the league, when the following weekend is free, is more than acceptable and understandable. When that is still going strong 24 hours later, I think that is excessive. But what do I know.
Barring a miracle we will be playing off v Offaly in a couple of months, in Tullamore. I hope this "team bonding" will be enough to see us through that one.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2017, 04:00:52 PM
So what happened Keyser

Strippers?

Coke?

Dwarf Throwing?

Or lads going for a few pints,which used to be called bonding back in the day

Dunno Clonadmad but no doubt you'll commission a committee of some sort to look into.
Haven't you a juvenile academy to busy yourself with?

Not like you to make a mountain out of a molehill

Oh wait.......

You are so wise.
Another one to add the list of statements you can't stand over.
Did ye order all those extra sets of Clonad jerseys yet for all the Raheen hurlers ye have taken under yer wing?

And just to clarify. A night out after two rounds of the league, when the following weekend is free, is more than acceptable and understandable. When that is still going strong 24 hours later, I think that is excessive. But what do I know.
Barring a miracle we will be playing off v Offaly in a couple of months, in Tullamore. I hope this "team bonding" will be enough to see us through that one.


All Clonad Jerseys washed and ready Keyser

You should put yourself forward the next time the laois position becomes available,you no doubt have all the answers

They are amateur's at the end of the day and if it's sanctioned by management which it was,then good luck to them,a bit of bonding never did any team any harm,god knows the KK lads did enough of it here down through the years.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Ballyroan Abbey on February 20, 2017, 04:09:12 PM
Did pj scully leave the panel midweek, heard it yesterday
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2017, 04:12:17 PM
Did pj scully leave the panel midweek, heard it yesterday
Reported as "taking a short break from the panel".

By the by, I'd hate to see what it'd be like if we lost. Leave them off lads, the proof of the pudding will be in the ating.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 20, 2017, 06:05:58 PM
It's a amazing how rumours get started . A few pints all it was actually . People are way too quick too judge . Regarding the match itself it was thoroughly deserved . We can analyse all we want but losing on Saturday would have been catastrophic for this young team . Offalys discipline was poor and they ultimately suffered . Take Dooley out of that team and there in serious bother .
Laois need to cause one major shock in this campaign to avoid a relegation play -off .  One of Wexford ,Galway ,Wexford or Limerick are going to have a major off day for this to happen .

They are in serious bother. But I wouldn't agree that Dooley was up to much. I don't think he offers a whole lot from play.

It is amazing the conclusions that can be drawn in February. We are not so good that Offaly and Shane Dooley won't succeed in seeing us relegated this year.... How would he fare against our current corner backs??

Their FF, Oisin Kelly looks a serious operator.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 07:09:36 PM
It's a amazing how rumours get started . A few pints all it was actually . People are way too quick too judge . Regarding the match itself it was thoroughly deserved . We can analyse all we want but losing on Saturday would have been catastrophic for this young team . Offalys discipline was poor and they ultimately suffered . Take Dooley out of that team and there in serious bother .
Laois need to cause one major shock in this campaign to avoid a relegation play -off .  One of Wexford ,Galway ,Wexford or Limerick are going to have a major off day for this to happen .

They are in serious bother. But I wouldn't agree that Dooley was up to much. I don't think he offers a whole lot from play.

It is amazing the conclusions that can be drawn in February. We are not so good that Offaly and Shane Dooley won't succeed in seeing us relegated this year.... How would he fare against our current corner backs??

Their FF, Oisin Kelly looks a serious operator.

Kelly is a serious operator. A much bigger threat than Dooley.
And I agree. I'd be surprised if we don't end up seeing Offaly again in a relegation playoff, and I don't see any reason why the game won't be a 50/50.

So what happened Keyser

Strippers?

Coke?

Dwarf Throwing?

Or lads going for a few pints,which used to be called bonding back in the day

Dunno Clonadmad but no doubt you'll commission a committee of some sort to look into.
Haven't you a juvenile academy to busy yourself with?

Not like you to make a mountain out of a molehill

Oh wait.......

You are so wise.
Another one to add the list of statements you can't stand over.
Did ye order all those extra sets of Clonad jerseys yet for all the Raheen hurlers ye have taken under yer wing?

And just to clarify. A night out after two rounds of the league, when the following weekend is free, is more than acceptable and understandable. When that is still going strong 24 hours later, I think that is excessive. But what do I know.
Barring a miracle we will be playing off v Offaly in a couple of months, in Tullamore. I hope this "team bonding" will be enough to see us through that one.


All Clonad Jerseys washed and ready Keyser

You should put yourself forward the next time the laois position becomes available,you no doubt have all the answers

They are amateur's at the end of the day and if it's sanctioned by management which it was,then good luck to them,a bit of bonding never did any team any harm,god knows the KK lads did enough of it here down through the years.

And no doubt you will be standing for a CB position in the very near future? Your expertise on all matters coaching and transfer related really is wasted preaching to the minions on here.
You are the main to tackle the inactivity of our GDAs and the big bad wolf Portlaoise, not to mention all of the small clubs wasting their time who should be amalgamating.
Go for it, you have my vote.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2017, 07:54:01 PM
Sorry Keyser too busy with developing our parish amalgamation in all the underage A  grades to run the CB for you.

You are obviously happy with the work being put in by the GDA's etc.....


You will keep us posted if the Laois lads enjoy themselves in future in any "exotic" locations
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 08:07:53 PM
Sorry Keyser too busy with developing our parish amalgamation in all the underage A  grades to run the CB for you.

You are obviously happy with the work being put in by the GDA's etc.....


You will keep us posted if the Laois lads enjoy themselves in future in any "exotic" locations

Good luck with that. It's great that you have mellowed from the original position (see below), to embracing a Parish team.
Well done on that.

We need to do what's right by our club first,no doubt there are lots of good young hurlers in both Colt and Shanahoe who will wear the Clonad jersey with pride in the coming years
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2017, 08:16:19 PM
Sorry Keyser too busy with developing our parish amalgamation in all the underage A  grades to run the CB for you.

You are obviously happy with the work being put in by the GDA's etc.....


You will keep us posted if the Laois lads enjoy themselves in future in any "exotic" locations

Good luck with that. It's great that you have mellowed from the original position (see below), to embracing a Parish team.
Well done on that.

We need to do what's right by our club first,no doubt there are lots of good young hurlers in both Colt and Shanahoe who will wear the Clonad jersey with pride in the coming years

And what I said there still holds true

You do realise that Raheen Parish Gaels will be wearing Clonad jerseys?

You need to get up to speed Keyser
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 08:23:00 PM
What you originally said was that all teams from u8 to u21 would be training in Clonad and wearing Clonad jerseys.
Can you confirm that all teams from u8 to u21 will be wearing Clonad jerseys?
I find this very difficult to believe, as St Fintan's would have been stronger than Clonad at almost all grades almost all of the time.

So, I'll ask again;
Can you confirm that all Raheen Parish Gaels teams from u8 to u21 will be wearing Clonad jerseys? And the Colt, Shanahoe and St Fintan's jersey is not being used by any of them?

Colt and Shanahoe to join up with ourselves.

Talks at a very advanced stage with u8's up to u21's hurling in the Jersey,being trained in Clonad and with the  club also supplying the mentors across all the age groups,a great boost for the club and also for hurling in the county.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2017, 09:31:13 PM
Raheen Parish Gaels will be wearing the Clonad jersey

Not to get further off topic, but a proper Parish amalgamation shouldn't be wearing the jersey of any club, nor should a member of said club be going around boasting that the amalgamation will be wearing our jersey. Problems straight away.

Carryon anyway, I'd hate to get in the way of this ongoing feud.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 20, 2017, 09:34:14 PM
Lads, start another thread. Ye are boring the arse off the rest of us.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on February 20, 2017, 09:56:33 PM
Exactly.
But for the record, the amalgamation will be wear the Clonad jersey at two age groups, the Ballypickas one at two ages, and the St. Fintan's one at two ages.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 10:01:15 PM
I understand how it's outside the remit of this thread, but it's hard to listen to lecturing from a poster who lost all credibility within his first 2-3 posts on the Clonad jersey issue.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on February 20, 2017, 10:14:57 PM
Keyser you've a bit of an axe to grind with us,that much is very apparent.

Now back to the topic at hand

The reality is that we had the chance to beat the biffo's by 10/12 points on Saturday night but didn't,we were more interested in scoring nice points than going for the jugular and plundering 2/3 more goals.

Work needs to be done on the forwards movement,very little in the form of running off the shoulder.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on February 20, 2017, 10:32:32 PM
No axe to grind with Clonad (or any of the teams involved in the amalgamation). Just have a low tolerance for bullshit and spoofers. You were incredibly disrespectful to Park Ratheniska, Colt and Shanahoe within hours of starting to post on here. No time for that. That is the axe I have to grind. Enough of that.

On the NHL, we have taken some horrendous beatings in Salthill over the years. I would be very worried about our next game. Hopefully we don't go into a tailspin that we can't reverse in time for mid April championship start.

We are almost certainly going to be playing Offaly or Kerry on April 1st. They will have had a competitive game the previous Sunday against opposition of a similar level.
We will have had an away fixture with Wexford. Even if Wexford are already guaranteed top spot at that stage (which they will be), and decide to rotate their squad, they could still do a serious job on us. The Davy factor will see anyone getting a chance in that game eager to impress. His Clare teams never exactly took the foot off the gas against us!
The fixture schedule is now stacked slightly in favour of Offaly and Kerry and slightly against us IMO.
Maybe we will be competitive in one or more of the games and be in a good place for the relegation game. Hard to see though.
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Post by: Don Draper on February 20, 2017, 10:40:02 PM
There's an almighty backlash to come from Galway.
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Post by: clonadmad on February 21, 2017, 12:06:44 AM
As it stands the only thing to be decided in this division,is who plays in the relegation final

Wexford are promoted and it's up to the 3 Minnows to keep the winning margins down if by some fluke Offaly beat Kerry.

Next year won't be any better in 1B with cork,dublin or Kk down here as well
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Post by: redsetanta on February 21, 2017, 11:13:28 AM
Good performance from Laois. Very impressed with Cian Taylor when he came on. Plays with alot of confidence and his direct running is great to see. Bar the first few minutes Laois were always the better team. If more of the lads were prepared to do what Taylor does we would score more goals. That was the only disappointment from the game. It would have been a massive boost to hit another couple of goals.
Ross King got on a lot of ball when he moved out around the middle and scored a couple of lovely points. Although he picked up a yellow for it, the clash of the two captains was a bit of a marker for Roddy.  Cha, after missing his first one or two efforts had one of those evenings when everything after went over the bar. His effort from under the stand in the first half was probably the best of the lot. Dunphy was a handfull but was getting plenty of it from the corner back and looked like losing it on a couple of occasions. Don't think he got enough from the ref.
Offaly really battled and put it up to us and deserve some credit for staying in the game. If it was ourselves that had two lads sent off i'm not so sure we would have been as close as 6 points and  their captain led by example.
I know Offaly are not great at the moment but they are always capable of getting a result when least expected. They took a point off Limerick last year which kept Limerick down so I would not rule them out. If we are in a relegation playoff and had a choice I would nearly rather Kerry. Anyhow plenty of hurling to be done between now and then so lets enjoy the win and not begrudge the players a few jars 2 weeks before they're out again.
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Post by: redsetanta on February 21, 2017, 04:42:32 PM
Does Kelly watch the games from the stand or why wasn't he on the line on Saturday?
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Post by: honest hurler on February 21, 2017, 08:34:26 PM
well said
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on February 21, 2017, 09:25:13 PM
He prefers to operate from the stand, much like rugby managers now do. Mentioned it in his interview.
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Post by: Helix on February 21, 2017, 10:00:26 PM
Think being competitive in the remaining 3 games should be the target than getting hidings like we did in previous years. Though a lack of depth of panel may say otherwise. As a previous poster has outlined Galway will be looking for blood after losing the Wexford game. It's pivotal some plan is in place to keep goal count down.
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Post by: redsetanta on February 21, 2017, 10:46:53 PM
Definately need some sort of defensive plan and will have to play a sweeper. We're limited with quality backs though.
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Post by: Ogie on February 22, 2017, 02:37:46 PM
Good interesting interview with Kelly on Off the ball worth listening to the podcast, forward thinking & impressive man. Spoke about his close friendship with Anthony Foley & spending a year as a 'fly on the wall' with Foley watching the Munster way to advance his management skills.
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Post by: Don Draper on February 22, 2017, 02:50:44 PM
Good interesting interview with Kelly on Off the ball worth listening to the podcast, forward thinking & impressive man. Spoke about his close friendship with Anthony Foley & spending a year as a 'fly on the wall' with Foley watching the Munster way to advance his management skills.
I think you mean The GAA Hour. I'd have preferred he not talk so much about Offaly tbh, seemed to toss a bit of fuel on the fire that was unnecessary.
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Post by: Clubber Lang on February 22, 2017, 04:49:21 PM
Definately need some sort of defensive plan and will have to play a sweeper. We're limited with quality backs though.

Wasn't that not what a lot of posters on this forum were criticising Cheddar for by the end-being too negative and his use of sweepers. 
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Post by: redsetanta on February 24, 2017, 03:46:51 PM
Great boost for the Laois lads winning the Fitzgibbon semi final today. Not sure how Cha played as he didn't get a score. Picky doing his bit again.
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Post by: TP Ashe on February 24, 2017, 04:20:05 PM
Not forgetting Dwane Palmer who would have had his hands full on a very skilful UCC forward line and Enda Rowland who was by all accounts superb again today.
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Post by: clonadmad on February 24, 2017, 04:32:00 PM
IT Carlow: E Rowland (Laois); D Palmer (Laois), K Hannaffin (Kerry), R Brown (Waterford); J Doyle (Carlow), D Healy (Meath), D O’Hanlon (Tipeprary); K Kelly (Kilkenny), C Dunford (Waterford); C Dwyer (Laois), M Russell (Tipperary), M Kavanagh (Carlow); J Fagan (Waterford), S Maher (Laois), C Bolger (Kilkenny).

Subs: T Nolan (Tipperary) for Dunford (58), C Dunford for Nolan (60), T Nolan for Fagan (66), J Fagan for Kelly (75), M Redmond (Wexford) for Maher (75).

UCC: J Berry (Cork); I Kenny (Waterford), C Spillane (Cork), S Roche (Waterford); S Kennedy (Tipperary), C Gleeson (Waterford), R Cahalane (Cork); J Barron (Waterford), M Breen (Tipperary); M O’Brien (Waterford), T Devine (Waterford), G O’Brien (Waterford); A Cadagon (Cork), A Spillane (Cork), R O’Shea (Cork).

Subs: J Power (Kilkenny) for G O’Brien (h-t), C O’Leary (Cork) for M O’Brien (39), M O’Halloran (Cork) for S Roche (39), C Roche (Waterford) for Spillane (57), M O’Connor (Cork) for Cahalane (67), S Hegarty (Cork) for Power (78).
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Post by: redsetanta on February 24, 2017, 05:00:22 PM
Great win for CArlow It and brilliant to see lads from Laois, Carlow, Meath and Kerry on that team. Hope they go on and win now.
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Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on February 25, 2017, 12:23:35 AM
DJ seems to be getting the best out of them, must be a good motivator ..

Here is a goal that was scored near the end...
https://www.facebook.com/HigherEdGAA/videos/1199088136825931/
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Post by: redsetanta on March 01, 2017, 11:23:31 AM
Any info on how the panel are shaping up for the weekend?

Are we going with a 'anything less than a 12/15 point defeat is a good result'?
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Post by: Unlaoised on March 01, 2017, 12:47:57 PM
Anything less than a 15 point loss would be progress but I would like to think the players will feel they can get closer to Galway than that...

Conditions might have a big say Sunday and if we had the the breeze that can be strong in Galway in the first half and conceded no goals who knows what might happen.

Best of luck to the lads these are the games you want to be playing in as a hurler!
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Post by: Don Draper on March 01, 2017, 01:19:43 PM
Best of luck to the lads these are the games you want to be playing in as a hurler!
I'm not sure anyone hurler dreams of playing in the wind tunnel that is Salthill in March
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Post by: hurlingmad on March 01, 2017, 03:26:42 PM

I'm not sure anyone hurler dreams of playing in the wind tunnel that is Salthill in March
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😂😂😂
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Post by: redsetanta on March 02, 2017, 10:11:01 AM
One has to be optimistic. If we could play with a hurricane wind for both halves I'd be happy.
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Post by: Don Draper on March 02, 2017, 12:13:15 PM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/03/02/massive-blow-laois-hurlers-injuries-mount/

Matthew Whelan (broken thumb)
Podge Lawlor (hamstring)
Conor Phelan (cruciate)
Stephen ‘Picky’ Maher (broken finger) all definitely out

Willie Dunphy (hamstring)
Cha Dwyer (tonsilitis)
Ben Conroy (pneumonia) are all doubtful.

John Lennon has damaged ankle ligaments
PJ Scully gone from the panel following a litany of injury frustrations.


Can we give them a walkover?
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Post by: burdizzo on March 02, 2017, 02:09:51 PM
Jesus, what have they been doing since the Offaly game?
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Post by: redsetanta on March 02, 2017, 02:58:26 PM
Ah jaysus that's very disheartening.
Although I would much rather have them all fit for the end of March if we've to play Offaly or Kerry in a play off. I thought that with a full team we might have given Limerick a game of it next week. Better to get the injured back fit.
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Post by: Unlaoised on March 02, 2017, 03:35:31 PM
Galway must be rubbing the hands.....Roll on the snow that is forecast for Sunday!!!!
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Post by: redsetanta on March 04, 2017, 10:07:54 AM
Team named. At least Cha, Dunphy and Conroy are named to start. Purcell back to centre back and Lyons and Downey come in. Very bare looking bench though.
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Post by: County baller on March 04, 2017, 06:12:11 PM
Cha now not starting, Aidan Corby to replace him.
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Post by: gaastats on March 05, 2017, 08:46:20 AM
Laois' hurling league record v Galway

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Last win: 2003 Laois 3-14 Galway 0-15 in OMP
Last defeat: 2008 Laois 0-6 Galway 6-26 in OMP
Last win in Galway: n/a
Last defeat in Galway: 2006 Laois 0-5 Galway 3-12
Biggest win: 2003 Laois 3-14 Galway 0-15 in OMP
Biggest defeat: 2008 Laois 0-6 Galway 6-26 in OMP *Laois' joint-biggest ever defeat in a competitive match - equalling a league defeat to Cork in 1927
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Post by: redsetanta on March 05, 2017, 09:44:23 AM
Fair play Gaastats i feel much more confident about today now.
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Post by: gaastats on March 05, 2017, 11:21:59 AM
Fair play Gaastats i feel much more confident about today now.

Just keeping it real.
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Post by: G@@ on March 05, 2017, 03:11:59 PM
An average of 8pts loss every game.  :(
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Post by: G@@ on March 05, 2017, 03:45:03 PM
Loss 3-31 to 1-11. 26pts, well above the average 8.
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Post by: redsetanta on March 05, 2017, 04:15:16 PM
Bad injury to Dwayne Palmer by all accounts.
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Post by: Don Draper on March 05, 2017, 07:24:37 PM
Loss 3-31 to 1-11. 26pts, well above the average 8.
As good as could be expected. Hope Dwanes injury isn't too bad.
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Post by: redsetanta on March 05, 2017, 07:50:01 PM
Hard to believe Offaly were beaten by more in football. That's an awful hidin.
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Post by: hurlingmad on March 05, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
Hard to believe Offaly were beaten by more in football. That's an awful hidin.
Long may offalys hidings continue, they have no respect for any aspect of laois so I will gladly do onto others
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Post by: redsetanta on March 06, 2017, 12:25:22 PM
In light of the circumstances we could have lost by alot more. In reality Galway are a Div 1 team and we are Div3.

Injuries are crippling us at the moment but at least our scoring average is still better than Offaly and Kerry in the event that Offaly can beat Kerry. We will need to stay within 6 of Limerick next week though. Will Picky be back for that? I am assuming Cha will but Whelan probably won't make it.

Big job for Kelly to put a positive spin on the Galway result and get the lads up for the Limerick game.
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Post by: clonadmad on March 06, 2017, 12:43:41 PM
Galway are the second best team in the country,the only ones who put it up to Tipp last year.

On their day,they are well capable of giving any team ranked 4 to 12 a hiding thats the reality....

We need Offaly to beat Kerry to ensure safety that's the bottom line,anything else and we will be playing a relegation final in Tullamore.
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Post by: Unlaoised on March 06, 2017, 03:12:33 PM
26 points is about what I was expecting!
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Post by: gaastats on March 07, 2017, 08:18:40 AM
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Last win: 1995 Laois 1-12 Limerick 0-12 @Gaelic Grounds
Last loss: 2016 Laois 1-12 Limerick 6-29 @Gaelic Grounds
Last win Laois: 1985 Laois 1-12 Limerick 0-12 @Rathdowney
Last loss Laois: 2014 Laois 1-13 Limerick 1-17 @OMP
Biggest win: 1926 Laois 6-1 Limerick 1-2
Biggest loss: 2016 Laois 1-12 Limerick 6-29
Biggest win in Laois: 1927 Laois 5-2 Limerick 2-2 @Portlaoise
Biggest loss in Laois: 1975 Laois 0-7 Limerick 5-14 @OMP
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Post by: redsetanta on March 10, 2017, 10:19:31 AM
Team for tomorrow evening.

LAOIS
Enda Rowland (Abbeyleix)
Dwane Palmer (Camross)
Leigh Bergin (Shanahoe)
Cahir Healy (Portlaoise)
Seán Downey (Ballinakill)
Paddy Purcell (Rathdowney Errill)
Ryan Mullaney (Castletown)
Cian Taylor (Portlaoise)
Ben Conroy (Slieve Bloom)
Aaron Dunphy (Borris-Kilcotton)
Cha Dwyer (Ballinakill)
Paddy Whelan (Borris-Kilcotton)
Ross King (Rathdowney-Errill)
Neil Foyle (Borris-Kilcotton)
Willie Dunphy (Clough-Ballacolla)

It's a pity that Maher is still out as he's been flying this year. Good to have Cha back. Hopefully we can give Limerick a good rattle. It would be a serious performance if we could get within 5 or 6 points of them after the hammering they gave us last year.
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Post by: Unlaoised on March 10, 2017, 10:43:21 AM
I think the lads will give a good showing of themselves but i'd expect Limerick to be 8 points or so better.

They rested 9 players against Offaly (or changed 9 players)so alot depends on the team they put out...If its close to the team that hmeered Kerry we could be in for a rough night!
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Post by: Don Draper on March 10, 2017, 10:48:34 AM
I think the lads will give a good showing of themselves but i'd expect Limerick to be 8 points or so better.

They rested 9 players against Offaly (or changed 9 players)so alot depends on the team they put out...If its close to the team that hmeered Kerry we could be in for a rough night!
They've made a few changes again but still aren't on a settled team. They've good talent there but are struggling to nail down a 15 from their big panel. It'll be possible to rattle them, but we need to hit them early for scores and physicality. Let them get a run on, and it could be a long night again.
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Post by: redsetanta on March 10, 2017, 11:20:48 AM
We would need to get in for a goal early if possible similar to Offaly game. I think we should be targeting an early goal again and keep pressure on for as long as possible. We have to stay competing and keep their score down as it could make a huge difference at the end of the league.
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 10, 2017, 12:15:41 PM
It should be all about pressure and possession, never giving up on a ball and giving them no space when they have it. Hard to rack up 30 points if there is a man stuck to you when you try to strike the ball. If we don't have the ball there is no point thinking about scoring goals. Realistically, Limerick will win easily but personally would be happy if we can just make it difficult on them.
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Post by: burdizzo on March 11, 2017, 10:33:44 PM
I wonder would Laois actually be better off getting relegated and build a young team in division two?
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Post by: steven seagal on March 11, 2017, 10:44:58 PM
Was wondering the same thing myself coming out Burdizzo. To see the players so demoralised in the second half was tough to look at it, at present I don't see the benefits of us being in this Division. Especially when you look at the subs we had listed tonight, they were incredibly young, the age profile is only going to get lower over the next few years
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Post by: Keyser Söze on March 11, 2017, 11:09:07 PM
In our last three games we have conceded
20 points (to 13 men)
31 points
33 points

And it was Cheddar who was reading the whole situation wrong by playing a sweeper.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2017, 11:17:54 PM
Waterford have used it for past few years, why Laois think 15 on 15 man to man would work is beyond me! Build confidence get experience then you can work with that !
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Post by: Keyser Söze on March 11, 2017, 11:20:27 PM
Waterford have used it for past few years, why Laois think 15 on 15 man to man would work is beyond me! Build confidence get experience then you can work with that !

In Laois we know better.
The past 14-15 months have seen a huge number of senior players depart the scene.
This, apparently, was the time to transition to 15 on 15.

Against Offaly we even went 2 on 2 in our full back line for the first ten minutes.

We know better.
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Post by: ClashAsh on March 11, 2017, 11:21:46 PM
In our last three games we have conceded
20 points (to 13 men)
31 points
33 points

And it was Cheddar who was reading the whole situation wrong by playing a sweeper.

Unbelievable concession of scores for definite but just to balance the point regarding Cheddar and sweeper systems... The scoreline when Laois played Limerick last year (2016) under Cheddar was Limerick 6-29 to Laois 1-12 and that's with one sometimes quite often two sweepers in defence.

No difference really. Point is it doesn't really matter about sweepers and systems, players are simply not good enough and that's not taking from the huge effort they put in. Just not good enough full stop.
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Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2017, 11:35:02 PM
Limerick have a serious history of destroying smaller teams (they have always racked up big scores against us even when we played well against other top teams that year) I wouldn't worry about tonight's result, the main thing to work on is development and gaining experience and coming away from these results and work on the areas that let you down!

Laois have done an amazing job so far, the hardest part is maintaining it, hopefully Kerry do likewise
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Post by: TP Ashe on March 12, 2017, 12:38:31 AM
Miles off the pace. Physically on a different planet to a decent Limerick side. Hard to be critical because the lads are trying but we just don't have the personnel. We can talk about the few absentees but that shouldn't even begin to soften the harsh reality here. As a Liam McCarthy team; we're as poor as any team I've ever seen, especially at the back. You could  make a case for Cha, Purcell and Rowland, maybe Roddy, as being Liam McCarthy level but after that, i dont think we have any players who'd make that Limerick panel, let alone team.
We'll probably get through the Round Robin but that's our level. It's hard to see us escape a serious hammering in the championship before the end of the summer.

These 6 team divisions are doing us no favours and if there's any prospect of a return to an 8-team League then we need to come out strongly in support of it.

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Post by: Bud Wiser on March 12, 2017, 12:15:30 PM
For jaysus sake lads it's March, the second half performance was as gutsy and as committed as you could expect from these lads.  Cha and a few more are as good as anyone else.  They are building and bonding (although they would want to bond a bit better when it comes to passing a ball to a spare man on the 14 yard line with nobody marking him instead of going for the solo effort)   I disagree with the "they are not good enough" repetition and it is unfair on the lads.  They can become good enough over the next few months. Maybe a bit more of an authoritative captain, a bit of encouragement on the field.  There is no point in crying about it and looking for a lower division, get back on the horse and go out against Galway and put up a fight, and pass the ball to each other, avoid red cards and you will do yourselves proud.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 12, 2017, 02:10:55 PM
In our last three games we have conceded
20 points (to 13 men)
31 points
33 points

And it was Cheddar who was reading the whole situation wrong by playing a sweeper.

Unbelievable concession of scores for definite but just to balance the point regarding Cheddar and sweeper systems... The scoreline when Laois played Limerick last year (2016) under Cheddar was Limerick 6-29 to Laois 1-12 and that's with one sometimes quite often two sweepers in defence.

No difference really. Point is it doesn't really matter about sweepers and systems, players are simply not good enough and that's not taking from the huge effort they put in. Just not good enough full stop.

Absolutely accept that Laois shipped hammerings last year with Cheddar at the helm.
But the undoubted progress that was made from 13-15 was built around solidity first.
There was a very vocal element of supporters, delegates and players who were pushing for a more expansive game from the start of last year.
It has not worked. We cannot go toe to toe with these teams at present. There are two options.

1) Go out naively and get hammered before inevitably returning to Division 2A. I don't see any learning in this.

2) Set yourself up to be competitive from the start, reassess after 45-50 mins. Can we afford to go man on man for the last 20 minutes. Yes or no depending on the situation.
We cannot keep conceding like we have over the past 14 months. I don't see any solution but to employ a sweeper v the top 4 in the division.

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Post by: Tobias on March 12, 2017, 03:09:24 PM
I would lay a lot of the blame at the management team door for this one. This supposedly great back room team that was assembled leaves much to be desired in my opinion. I really felt sorry for the full back line, even though we conceded over 50 points I thought Healy, Bergin and Palmer were very good for long periods considering the pressure they were under. A blind man could see what Limerick were doing, dragging our half back line all over the place and leaving huge space for their full forward line and runners coming from deep. This is the area where we were destroyed last night. There was 60 yards of space between our full back and half back lines. Our half back line were taken to the cleaners as Hegarty beat us on his own in the first half, I don't know how they left Mullaney on him for so long. Midfield were ok at times but were second best overall. In fairness to our forward line the all had their moments with Cha leading the charge and Aaron Dunphy scoring 4 points off Seamus Hickey on his first start. 1-19 is no bad score against Limerick so it's obvious where the problem was.
Is a sweeper the answer?...for me no it's not. All other top teams have developed a defensive strategy of not conceding goals by funnelling guys from the half forward line and midfield back to help out defensively and close down space. Apart from Tipp kk game last night where 5 goals we're scored, there have been very very few goals scored in the league this year. Laois more than anyone need to adopt this type of defensive system, what went on last night was criminal.
When this system is followed you get your scores from out the field and leave one or two ball winners inside for the ones that won't reach the target i.e
Shane O Donnell and Aaron Shanagher - Clare
Maurice Shanahan - Waterford
Seamie Callanan and John McGrath - Tipp etc etc
We have guys who can take scores from out the field i.e Cha, Purcell, picky and leave Foyle and maybe Willie Dunphy inside. The game is built on a huge work rate and intensity to win the battles out the field. I really hope we are not as naive in Wexford, put in a performance and for God sake not be handing soft goals away. We really missed Mathew last night too, our half back line was very porous, it's such an important line and we need men in there to stand up and drive the team forward.
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Post by: Keyser Söze on March 12, 2017, 04:55:24 PM
I would lay a lot of the blame at the management team door for this one. This supposedly great back room team that was assembled leaves much to be desired in my opinion. I really felt sorry for the full back line, even though we conceded over 50 points I thought Healy, Bergin and Palmer were very good for long periods considering the pressure they were under. A blind man could see what Limerick were doing, dragging our half back line all over the place and leaving huge space for their full forward line and runners coming from deep. This is the area where we were destroyed last night. There was 60 yards of space between our full back and half back lines. Our half back line were taken to the cleaners as Hegarty beat us on his own in the first half, I don't know how they left Mullaney on him for so long. Midfield were ok at times but were second best overall. In fairness to our forward line the all had their moments with Cha leading the charge and Aaron Dunphy scoring 4 points off Seamus Hickey on his first start. 1-19 is no bad score against Limerick so it's obvious where the problem was.
Is a sweeper the answer?...for me no it's not. All other top teams have developed a defensive strategy of not conceding goals by funnelling guys from the half forward line and midfield back to help out defensively and close down space. Apart from Tipp kk game last night where 5 goals we're scored, there have been very very few goals scored in the league this year. Laois more than anyone need to adopt this type of defensive system, what went on last night was criminal.
When this system is followed you get your scores from out the field and leave one or two ball winners inside for the ones that won't reach the target i.e
Shane O Donnell and Aaron Shanagher - Clare
Maurice Shanahan - Waterford
Seamie Callanan and John McGrath - Tipp etc etc
We have guys who can take scores from out the field i.e Cha, Purcell, picky and leave Foyle and maybe Willie Dunphy inside. The game is built on a huge work rate and intensity to win the battles out the field. I really hope we are not as naive in Wexford, put in a performance and for God sake not be handing soft goals away. We really missed Mathew last night too, our half back line was very porous, it's such an important line and we need men in there to stand up and drive the team forward.

A lot of sense talked there.
You are correct in saying that a sweeper might not be the answer. Withdrawing the half forward line would certainly help.
I agree that the management seem to be very naive. The way we started against Offaly was mainly down to the 2 v 2 we were happy to play on our full back line. Madness.
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Post by: clonadmad on March 12, 2017, 05:15:54 PM

Cheer up Lads,it's not all bad

If Offaly beat Kerry,Laois will play Tipp in a League quarter final.......


Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on March 12, 2017, 05:40:45 PM
No, if Offaly beat Kerry, we'll prob. be playing Kerry in a relegation final. Our score difference will be the worst in the group, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 12, 2017, 06:14:39 PM
Kerry at -46

Laois at -53

your probably right,best to be grateful for small mercies then
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 12, 2017, 06:24:59 PM
I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 12, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.

Don't agree with this at all. We have relied on lads like Cahir for years to be the difference between a mid table Division 2 side and at least getting exposure to the top table. He is amongst a long line of heroes who have given some respectability to Laois hurling, despite regular poundings. How important is it to clubs like Portlaoise to have lads like Cahir plugging away with the hurling? Without him and his ilk over the years, Laois hurling would be dead. Not at all a waste of talent.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 12, 2017, 08:13:19 PM
I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.

You'd swear Laois Football was an infinitely more appealing proposition
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 12, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.
Y

You'd swear Laois Football was an infinitely more appealing proposition
You must have missed the place were I said as much.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 12, 2017, 08:27:24 PM
I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.

Don't agree with this at all. We have relied on lads like Cahir for years to be the difference between a mid table Division 2 side and at least getting exposure to the top table. He is amongst a long line of heroes who have given some respectability to Laois hurling, despite regular poundings. How important is it to clubs like Portlaoise to have lads like Cahir plugging away with the hurling? Without him and his ilk over the years, Laois hurling would be dead. Not at all a waste of talent.
A waste of his football talent. It's right there in the post.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 12, 2017, 09:09:58 PM
Fairly obvious where his loyalties lie.

I'd say jumping ship when he's needed most wouldnt as much as cross his mind either.

Your football bias is showing
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Cruella De Vil on March 12, 2017, 10:17:15 PM
I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.

Cahir is obviously a very committed lad, and a good defender in football, but our best footballing back in 20 years...., not a chance, not even in the top 6. All stars Higgins, Kelly, also Fennelly, McMahon, Kevin Fitz, Darren Rooney all a good distance better. He'd obviously be a serious addition to what is currently a weak panel all the same.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 12, 2017, 10:18:16 PM
Fairly obvious where his loyalties lie.

I'd say jumping ship when he's needed most wouldnt as much as cross his mind either.

Your football bias is showing
I think my history shows my bias is with hurling.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 12, 2017, 10:21:25 PM
I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.

Cahir is obviously a very committed lad, and a good defender in football, but our best footballing back in 20 years...., not a chance, not even in the top 6. All stars Higgins, Kelly, also Fennelly, McMahon, Kevin Fitz, Darren Rooney all a good distance better. He'd obviously be a serious addition to what is currently a weak panel all the same.
A silly argument, but theres no way any of the last 4 would even consider themselves a better defender than Cahir. I'll give you Joe and Tom as equals or marginally better, but both benefited from playing with better players and manager at their peak.

We're moving away from my argument though, Cahir has given dedicated commitment to the hurlers for a few years now, no one would begrudge him giving a few to the football before it gets too late.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Cruella De Vil on March 12, 2017, 10:31:05 PM
I have massive time for Cahir Healy, and I realise he loves the hurling, but at this point its becoming like a waste of talent seeing him marooned like this. Our best footballing back in 20 years or so, is shipping 40 point beatings while hurling. You've done enough Cahir, go off and give the football a few years. No one will begrudge you it. I realise its not all sunshine over there either, but at the same time, go on.

As for our hurling, and where we go from here. God only knows. Maybe the brains calling for Cheddar to leave can tell us.

Cahir is obviously a very committed lad, and a good defender in football, but our best footballing back in 20 years...., not a chance, not even in the top 6. All stars Higgins, Kelly, also Fennelly, McMahon, Kevin Fitz, Darren Rooney all a good distance better. He'd obviously be a serious addition to what is currently a weak panel all the same.
A silly argument, but theres no way any of the last 4 would even consider themselves a better defender than Cahir. I'll give you Joe and Tom as equals or marginally better, but both benefited from playing with better players and manager at their peak.

We're moving away from my argument though, Cahir has given dedicated commitment to the hurlers for a few years now, no one would begrudge him giving a few to the football before it gets too late.

Not silly don, just completely disagree. Joe, Tom & Fennelly were arguably 3 of the best in their positions in the country, no way was/is cahir in that league. Different debate for different thread, don't mean to derail. But silly, No.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 13, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
In fairness I thought we worked and scored some great points but the difference in first touch and catching the ball was evident. One passage of play summed it up when either Conroy or Taylor (could be wrong) was through on goal but failed to catch the sliotar. 10 points in it at the time and instead of having it down to 7 Limerick went up the field and put 13between us. That was the end of it really. Lads tried hard and for patches we did ok but as someone else already said we had no impact from the bench and some of the lads on the pitch weren't up to it on the night. We have 3 or 4 lads that might improve things but that's where we're at right now. It would be an achievement to be able to play 70 minutes againt the 'tier 2' teams and not ship a 20 plus defeat. Both Offaly and to a lessor extend Kerry are not getting the same hammerings as we are and yet we'd fancy our chances against them.
At least they battled until the end.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 13, 2017, 11:26:24 PM
Fairly obvious where his loyalties lie.

I'd say jumping ship when he's needed most wouldnt as much as cross his mind either.

Your football bias is showing
I think my history shows my bias is with hurling.

And yet your telling someone we desperately need to jump ship to football?

Your completely wrong in this instance.

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 13, 2017, 11:44:36 PM
Fairly obvious where his loyalties lie.

I'd say jumping ship when he's needed most wouldnt as much as cross his mind either.

Your football bias is showing
I think my history shows my bias is with hurling.

And yet your telling someone we desperately need to jump ship to football?

Your completely wrong in this instance.
Not at all, merely saying no one would begrudge him if he did. He may love the Hurling more but he's far better footballer and at this stage of his career would be as well off there. No need to be so tetchy over it, it's merely an opinion. I doubt he'll read this and make a decision accordingly. There's no right or wrong.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on March 14, 2017, 12:43:22 AM
I would have to agree with Don regarding Cahir Healy, he's a very good hurler but he really ooze's class as a footballer.
For his own sake I hope he gives the football another go, it's a shame to see talent like he has go to waste...
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 14, 2017, 10:24:26 AM
When we need stability and all hands on deck

Ye are suggesting that Healy jumps ship

There's bound to be another few decent soccer and football prospects on the panel,maybe they should leave too.

Some small case could be made if the footballers were flying,but they will be lucky if they aren't Div 4 bound.

It's no wonder we are,where we are and never will be any different.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 14, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
When we need stability and all hands on deck

Ye are suggesting that Healy jumps ship

There's bound to be another few decent soccer and football prospects on the panel,maybe they should leave too.

Some small case could be made if the footballers were flying,but they will be lucky if they aren't Div 4 bound.

It's no wonder we are,where we are and never will be any different.
Its a different situation to a soccer player or rugby, Cahir is a different beast to anyone else. And if any hurler got a chance to make a shot of it at professional soccer or football, best of luck to them too.

The reason we are where we are, has f**king nothing to do with Cahir Healy.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Clubber Lang on March 14, 2017, 02:51:35 PM
Let's be realistic. Cahir has gone above and beyond to stay playing inter-county and his first love is hurling. I'm thankful of the commitment he continues to show to the county hurlers. We have an exceptionally young, inexperienced squad and having a leader/experienced player like Cahir there is crucial to their development. Cahir could easily have walked away/returned to football when 7/8 other more established senior players left the panel for a number of different reasons at the end of the 15' season. He might never win anything playing with the Laois hurlers but what he will contribute may help pave the away for more successful Laois teams of the future. I've no doubt that the young lads on the Laois hurling panel are appreciative/learning a lot from the example being set by Cahir and from having him on the panel.

I only was able to watch the game afterwards on TV (knowing the score) but it would appear to me that we were constantly asking our defense to go man to man. Limerick, intelligently left huge space between the full forward and half forward line. This meant that every time one of their forwards beat his opponent there was automatically an over-lap created and the full-back line left completely exposed. It was incredible how easily Limerick created their goal chances and we need to seriously readdress this failing before the championship commences. We seemed to have learned nothing from the first day when Kerry rifled two goals into the Laois net in a minute with 10 minutes to play. We were overly exposed in the back-line then and we continue to be now. We need to be able to fill that space between the half back line and full back line so that if a defender is beaten that he has adequate support there to protect the goal. While it was a walloping in the end there were moments of positivity. Should have reduced the Limerick lead to 7 points in second half with glorious goal chance spurned and we finished the game with 1-19. I do think our forward line has the capability of winning games against teams of a similar standard to ourselves. If we can provide our defense with more protection and have our half-back drop back a little deeper there is no reason why we cannot still avoid relegation and perhaps give Wexford a rattle in our final league game. They could possibly rotate their team for the Laois game now that they are assured of promotion. I would like to see Laois target this game and prove to themselves and us supporters that they are capable of competing at this level.       
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on March 14, 2017, 03:42:17 PM
Can we not play Paddy Purcell in a Tadgh De Burca type role? He is excellent on the ball, great in the air and can carry the ball through tackles. Surely that would reduce the number of goal chances. Perhaps when Whelan is back we can try this. It worked v Westmeath in relegation game last year very well.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 14, 2017, 03:47:08 PM
We definately need an extra man in there between the two back lines.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Unlaoised on March 14, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
After being at the game and looking back on it on eirsport just now Its baffeling how much space we are leaving in the backs going man for man is not owrking against these Hurling super powers and something must be brought in to stop them shipping scores.

Is there any video analysis or stats being done how did we not learn one thing from the Galway game ...I know we have people in positions in football and hurling to provide this information but it looks like to me the information is not being used or it's not been transfered correctly ...

Glaring and so obvious against Galway where the space was and it wasn't corrected one bit against Limerick!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Zooming around on March 14, 2017, 04:28:04 PM
Lots of talk that there will be an 8 team Division 1 next year. That would suit us better.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 14, 2017, 04:32:01 PM
Yep we'd only get one hiding per league campaign then as opposed to 3 at the minute.

This 8 team proposal may not come to pass when 1a is so competitive,5 of the 6 teams this year could be relegated before the last round of games.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 14, 2017, 04:38:26 PM
Ok we're taking some huge beatings which is not ideal however we are playing teams of a higher standard as well as playing teams similar to our level. We have the best of both worlds. Considering where we are at the moment there is merit for having us in a group that would probably contain the Div 2a teams however if we are not good enough that is where we will end up. At least at the moment we have something to fight for which is to stay in Div 1b.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 14, 2017, 04:50:33 PM
Ok we're taking some huge beatings which is not ideal however we are playing teams of a higher standard as well as playing teams similar to our level. We have the best of both worlds. Considering where we are at the moment there is merit for having us in a group that would probably contain the Div 2a teams however if we are not good enough that is where we will end up. At least at the moment we have something to fight for which is to stay in Div 1b.

I am not at all convinced we would have it all our own way in Div 2 or a second tier Div 1 including Kerry, Carlow, Meath, Westmeath, Antrim etc. They are closer to our standard than we are to Div 1a teams. The problem is that if there isn't 1-2 other teams such as maybe Offaly / Wexford, then the gap will just widen to the top tier.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 14, 2017, 05:26:31 PM
The problem is, blueandwhite, that if it contains Offaly and one other, the likelyhood even with 2 up and 2 down is that it will be the same teams every year. It won't be Laois or Carlow going up. Untill serious effort is put into these counties nothing is going to change any time soon!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 14, 2017, 05:53:59 PM
Can we not play Paddy Purcell in a Tadgh De Burca type role? He is excellent on the ball, great in the air and can carry the ball through tackles. Surely that would reduce the number of goal chances. Perhaps when Whelan is back we can try this. It worked v Westmeath in relegation game last year very well.

We need this.
But many around the county (some in fairly lofty positions) wanted Cheddar gone because he wanted to continue with this.

At the very least we need to be pragmatic in our match ups and our defensive shape. It looks like we are just prepared to follow our men wherever they go. Crazy for this level.

The current set up should be perfect for us.
There will always be at least two teams at our level and 2 more we should be able to be reasonably competitive with, plus a very strong side.
We will not make progress in Div 2A or in an 8 team Division 2.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Home Boys Home on March 14, 2017, 07:26:24 PM
As alluded to earlier, we have shipped heavy beatings with one and even two sweepers in the past.

Our wing forwards and midfielders need to drop deeper, and work-rate/tackling from wing forwards and midfield need to be upped massively. This would help stop our half backs being dragged those crucial 20/30 metres up he field. Also, on the Limerick puck outs our half backs were chasing Limerick lads (often on dummy runs) across and around the field. If the midfield positioning was a bit better and half forwards were back a bit to congest the space, the half back line could hold their positions on opposition puck outs.

We seem to be way too nice too, hardly got a shoulder on to a Limerick runner all game. Not enough defenders that could be described as uncompromising.   Leigh Bergin is a nice hurler but not strong enough in the air or aggressive enough in the tackle for an inter count 3 or 6, at least not yet. Paddy Purcell for me is not a natural defender either, Dwayne Palmer often plays as forward with his club, a lovely hurler and like Paddy good in the sweeper role. Sean Downey another light young lad starting out. It would be easier for the likes of Sean Downey and Leigh Bergin to learn the ropes if players like Tom Delaney, Darren Maher, Gearoid Burke were around, but we have who we have I suppose. Hopefully Mathew will be back soon.

I did find a bit strange that manager and selectors were not down on the sideline again, especially when we were in such trouble. I understand the logic that it gives a better view, but at the same time, nothing seemed to be getting down to address way space was opening up in front of our full back line.

On a positive note, most of forwards did pretty well, Willie Dunphy had one of his best matches for Laois and Aaron Dunphy showed some sweet striking.

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 14, 2017, 08:41:39 PM
Tom Delaney was there with subs so might be involved this year.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 14, 2017, 08:46:55 PM
As alluded to earlier, we have shipped heavy beatings with one and even two sweepers in the past.

Our wing forwards and midfielders need to drop deeper, and work-rate/tackling from wing forwards and midfield need to be upped massively. This would help stop our half backs being dragged those crucial 20/30 metres up he field. Also, on the Limerick puck outs our half backs were chasing Limerick lads (often on dummy runs) across and around the field. If the midfield positioning was a bit better and half forwards were back a bit to congest the space, the half back line could hold their positions on opposition puck outs.

We seem to be way too nice too, hardly got a shoulder on to a Limerick runner all game. Not enough defenders that could be described as uncompromising.   Leigh Bergin is a nice hurler but not strong enough in the air or aggressive enough in the tackle for an inter count 3 or 6, at least not yet. Paddy Purcell for me is not a natural defender either, Dwayne Palmer often plays as forward with his club, a lovely hurler and like Paddy good in the sweeper role. Sean Downey another light young lad starting out. It would be easier for the likes of Sean Downey and Leigh Bergin to learn the ropes if players like Tom Delaney, Darren Maher, Gearoid Burke were around, but we have who we have I suppose. Hopefully Mathew will be back soon.

I did find a bit strange that manager and selectors were not down on the sideline again, especially when we were in such trouble. I understand the logic that it gives a better view, but at the same time, nothing seemed to be getting down to address way space was opening up in front of our full back line.

On a positive note, most of forwards did pretty well, Willie Dunphy had one of his best matches for Laois and Aaron Dunphy showed some sweet striking.

I agree with alot of what you are saying, BUT!

The 13/14/15 team was making progress towards being able to play without a sweeper, but that team is gone. Unfortunately.7

This team needs someone like Purcell or Palmer available to intercept and interrupt dangerous situations, as well as being available to take passes and clear the ball. I know it's not perfect and there will be beatings, but this is a particularly young and limited team and I think they need it.
Pulling out our half forward line alone will not be enough just yet, in my opinion.
I could see us still struggling to work ball out from defence, and instead clearing ball after ball to an unmarked opposition half back line!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on March 14, 2017, 11:14:32 PM
Tom Delaney was there with subs so might be involved this year.

A serious addition to have back after the serious knee injury he had. Any word on the injury list getting better for next game. Playing for pride and to build a bit of a positive platform for the round robin series.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 14, 2017, 11:32:50 PM
Picky was there aswell. Whats the problem with him?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 14, 2017, 11:36:13 PM
Picky was there aswell. Whats the problem with him?
Broken hand/finger.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 23, 2017, 11:30:41 AM
I wouldn't be risking lads this weekend if they are not 100% fit. Can't see Wexford taking their foot off the pedal with Davy at the helm so we need everyone fit for what will be a relegation game against Kerry or Offaly.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: CluainABU on March 24, 2017, 01:43:12 PM
Does the 1B relegated team still play off against the 2A winner? I thought that was changed, or maybe not in yet.

Offaly should win, which suits us obviously if we beat Wex and if we don't, then likelihood is we'll be propping up the table - whether on head-2-head or points (?) Known Davy's form he will continue to keep current crop of players on high intensity and therefore not rest many if any, despite QF. That means a major, major challenge on Sunday for Laois
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Heshs Umpire on March 24, 2017, 02:18:01 PM
Does the 1B relegated team still play off against the 2A winner? I thought that was changed, or maybe not in yet.
No, not this year.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 24, 2017, 02:23:48 PM
Allianz HL 1B
     
Wexford    4    4    0    0    25    8
Galway    4    3    0    1    63    6
Limerick    4    3    0    1    52    6
Kerry    4    1    0    3    -46    2
Laois    4    1    0    3    -53    2
Offaly    4    0    0    4    -41    0

If we're being honest here, the likelihood is that we lose to Wexford meaning it's either Offaly or Kerry in the play off. A point is enough to keep Kerry clear but the only way Offaly can avoid the play off is by beating Kerry and if they do that it will be Laois v Kerry as Offaly have the best scoring difference. Would a Laois v Kerry decider be in Portlaoise seeing as the league game was in Kerry.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 24, 2017, 02:37:44 PM
Team for Sunday

LAOIS TEAM IN FULL:

1. Eoin Fleming (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)
2. Lee Cleere (Clough Ballacolla)
3. Leigh Bergin (Shanahoe)
4. Dwane Palmer (Camross)
5. Cahir Healy (Portlaoise)
6. Ryan Mullaney (Castletown)
7. Sean Downey (Ballinakill)
8. Ross King (Rathdowney Errill)
9. Patrick Purcell (Rathdowney Errill)
10. Cian Taylor (Portlaoise)
11. Charles Dwyer (Ballinakill)
12. Ben Conroy (Slieve Bloom)
13. Willie Dunphy (Clough Ballacolla)
14. Neil Foyle (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)
15. Aaron Dunphy (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

At the end of the day we have our limitations but the lads will still give it everything. There are some really good, young hurlers there and every game gives them more experience. They might as well go for it tomorrow and who knows. Maybe Wexfords second string are not so hot (that's if Fitzy rests lads)
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: CluainABU on March 24, 2017, 03:09:34 PM
Agreed @redsetanta - we have a crop of good young hurlers, which through 1 reason or another are getting great experience. It's not easy to take those heavy defeats, but they've mainly come through intermittent periods in games where we have shipped a good few scores. On the flip side, there have been periods in those games where we have held our own and maybe should have capitalised more on possession.

May have been a little bit of naivety in our play at times, as previously mentioned, trying to match some of these teams man-for-man. If it clicks and it's a big "if" granted, but if it clicks and we're a bit more ruthless, it's not too late to make a statement and put Wex away as while I'm not so sure Davy will rest players (I suspect he'll start strong with a plan to swap players out early in second period), those players may have one eye on the QFs and may not be up for a battle.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 24, 2017, 10:14:18 PM
Team for Sunday

LAOIS TEAM IN FULL:

1. Eoin Fleming (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)
2. Lee Cleere (Clough Ballacolla)
3. Leigh Bergin (Shanahoe)
4. Dwane Palmer (Camross)
5. Cahir Healy (Portlaoise)
6. Ryan Mullaney (Castletown)
7. Sean Downey (Ballinakill)
8. Ross King (Rathdowney Errill)
9. Patrick Purcell (Rathdowney Errill)
10. Cian Taylor (Portlaoise)
11. Charles Dwyer (Ballinakill)
12. Ben Conroy (Slieve Bloom)
13. Willie Dunphy (Clough Ballacolla)
14. Neil Foyle (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)
15. Aaron Dunphy (Borris-in-Ossory-Kilcotton)

At the end of the day we have our limitations but the lads will still give it everything. There are some really good, young hurlers there and every game gives them more experience. They might as well go for it tomorrow and who knows. Maybe Wexfords second string are not so hot (that's if Fitzy rests lads)

Very very young team and will probably struggle physically against a much more experienced Wexford. If those lads can be kept together for a few years their day will come. Hammerings won't help with self belief though so hopefully they can come out of this with some confidence ahead of a very important relegation playoff (probably). Defensively we will have to stay tight and not let them run through us.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 12:41:49 AM
At this stage im beginning to think we should drop to division 2 and Christy Ring and just rebuild, from the bottom up. I wouldn't be up for just dropping down without a proper plan to rebuild though. We need to get in a good hurling director, maybe Critchley, or Cheddar, and get the underage coaching and structures up to scratch and go from there. No one wants to hear that and i dont want to be saying it but we are well behind in every department. We are 10 years behind other counties in our practices, coaching standards and schools coaching, and weve lost an awful lot of good experienced players over the last 2/3 years and its hurt us. And lets face it we weren't world beaters 2/3 years ago either. Conceding 6-31 to Limerick is just staggering! And psychologically demoralising.
Dont jump down my throat here lads, explain if you think theres a better way or how this current bunch are going to change dramatically over the next few years staying where they are?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on March 26, 2017, 08:44:44 AM
I quite agree, and suggested as much after the Limerick hiding. Big beatings like that will only put young lads off, and they'll be gone by the time they're 25 themselves. Hopefully all this talk of restructuring the league into eight-team divisions is true.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 26, 2017, 10:04:47 AM
At this stage im beginning to think we should drop to division 2 and Christy Ring and just rebuild, from the bottom up. I wouldn't be up for just dropping down without a proper plan to rebuild though. We need to get in a good hurling director, maybe Critchley, or Cheddar, and get the underage coaching and structures up to scratch and go from there. No one wants to hear that and i dont want to be saying it but we are well behind in every department. We are 10 years behind other counties in our practices, coaching standards and schools coaching, and weve lost an awful lot of good experienced players over the last 2/3 years and its hurt us. And lets face it we weren't world beaters 2/3 years ago either. Conceding 6-31 to Limerick is just staggering! And psychologically demoralising.
Dont jump down my throat here lads, explain if you think theres a better way or how this current bunch are going to change dramatically over the next few years staying where they are?

Staggering.
We were very competitive in the league 2/3 years ago.
Are you sure Cheddar would be up to the job?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 11:05:29 AM
I know what you're digging at there Keyser, i know you wouldn't genuinely be asking that as you're one of Cheddars biggest fans! But yes, once hes not on the sideline of our senior intercounty team i have great time for him! And Critchley would probably serve us better on the front line, coaching kids!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 26, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
At this stage im beginning to think we should drop to division 2 and Christy Ring and just rebuild, from the bottom up. I wouldn't be up for just dropping down without a proper plan to rebuild though. We need to get in a good hurling director, maybe Critchley, or Cheddar, and get the underage coaching and structures up to scratch and go from there. No one wants to hear that and i dont want to be saying it but we are well behind in every department. We are 10 years behind other counties in our practices, coaching standards and schools coaching, and weve lost an awful lot of good experienced players over the last 2/3 years and its hurt us. And lets face it we weren't world beaters 2/3 years ago either. Conceding 6-31 to Limerick is just staggering! And psychologically demoralising.
Dont jump down my throat here lads, explain if you think theres a better way or how this current bunch are going to change dramatically over the next few years staying where they are?

Staggering.
We were very competitive in the league 2/3 years ago.
Are you sure Cheddar would be up to the job?

I read it last night, had a little chuckle and decided to ignore the f**ker.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 11:27:35 AM
f**ker? Nice! True colours showing there Don!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 26, 2017, 12:55:44 PM
Come on Don no need for it.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 26, 2017, 02:16:56 PM
Come on Don no need for it.

I disagree.
Considering that this poster was more or less telling us that Cheddar was holding us back.
Considering that Cheddar brought us back to Division 1 and kept us there for 3 years, being extremely competitive for 2 of those 3 years.

Now, less than 12 months later, he proposes that we drop down voluntarily to Division 2.
On top of this, he suggests that Cheddar might come back in and oversee hurling in the county.

I'd rather play "negatively" and be competitive in Division 1B than yo-yo up and down between 2A and 1B forever more.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 03:19:06 PM
Don and Keyser, 2 of the finest keyboard warriors ive ever seen! When are ye going to understand people can have different opinions than ye?!
And "extremely competitive" is an exaggeration! And im not going to stay repeating myself over Cheddar.
I shared an opinion. Discuss it or dont i couldnt care less.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on March 26, 2017, 04:24:29 PM
Seems to be a great performance in Wexford. 1 point behind with 5 to go.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 26, 2017, 04:30:08 PM
Don and Keyser, 2 of the finest keyboard warriors ive ever seen! When are ye going to understand people can have different opinions than ye?!
And "extremely competitive" is an exaggeration! And im not going to stay repeating myself over Cheddar.
I shared an opinion. Discuss it or dont i couldnt care less.

An opinion is what I'm offering.
I would stand over saying that Laois were extremely competitive in 1B in 2014 & 2015?

2014- Laois beat Antrim and Offaly. Lost to Cork, Wexford and Limerick by 7, 6 & 4 points respectively.
Lost a quarter final to Clare (defending All Ireland Champions) by 4.

2015- Laois beat Antrim. Lost to Offaly, Waterford, Wexford and Limerick by 4, 18, 12 & 6 points respectively.
Beat Antrim comfortably in a relegation playoff.
So two heavy defeats in 2 years. The Wexford game for the record was 0-25 to 5-22 (so not totally outclassed).
Yes i'll say that is extremely competitive, particularly in 2014.
I'm not sure what you would be expecting as a Laois supporter. But sure I suppose we can always drop back and be extremely competitive in Division 2.
So, the progress you were looking for 12 months ago now involves stepping back into Division 2? Interesting definition of progress!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Helix on March 26, 2017, 04:42:11 PM
Play off vs Kerry hopefully get home venue. Seemed to be much improved in Wexford. However Wexford seemed very wasteful. Good to see goals from play good too. Vital we stay in the division.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
Offering your opinion is not the problem keyser. Accepting others is!
Sounds like a solid performance in Wexford alright, delighted for the lads. We were competitive. Great to see us having a go! And in my opinion, we'll continue to run 1 or 2 teams close in the league, and win 1 or 2 here and there too. But thats all we'll do for the foreseeable future. Im trying to look at the bigger picture here and improve all around. So in 10/12 years we will be actually competing and challenging for Leinster titles. Stop making everything about cheddar! Im talking about Laois hurling from u6 to Senior and what can be done to improve the whole thing! Maybe dropping down isnt the answer but something has to be done or we'll be on this merrygoround forever!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 26, 2017, 05:51:20 PM
Come on Don no need for it.
He treated Cheddar like a tr**p, there's plenty of need for it. He can go f**k. I don't need to interact with anyone I dont wish to. I replied to keyser.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: HURLING1 on March 26, 2017, 06:26:19 PM
Don, I'd like to say your a bit over the top with Finbar but your perfectly correct.  We had a great man in charge and he Finbar wanted us to move on to the next level.  Now we're to go to Division 2. You couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 26, 2017, 06:32:20 PM
Don, I'd like to say your a bit over the top with Finbar but your perfectly correct.  We had a great man in charge and he Finbar wanted us to move on to the next level.  Now we're to go to Division 2. You couldn't make it up.
I've given him too much oxygen already.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 08:35:24 PM
 ;D Anymore gems of wisdom Don!? will you come out of Cheddars hole for a minute!
We had a half decent team under cheddar but he was too defensive. This current team is not near as good yet they are having a go! Do you think if he was in charge today we would have gotten as close to Wexford as we did??! Not a f**king chance!
Anyway like i said, im trying to comment on the current and future state of laois hurling, a wiseman once said, if you keep doing the same things you'll keep getting the same result. Thats whats happening in laois, every year, win 1 or 2, get a few hammerings, run a decent side close now and again, bet out of championship early, next year, the same, next year, the same and so on and so on. And its going on a long time now! We are obviously failing at underage and schools coaching, thats where the main problems are, not this current senior team. I guarantee Weatmeath and Carlow will pass us out over the next few years. As a county we are standing still. And its worrying.
Cheddar is a passionate Laois man and he has a vision and drive for the improvement of Laois hurling. Hes not going to do it on the sideline with the seniors but as a hurling director i think he would be very good.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 26, 2017, 08:47:15 PM
Lay out your vision of an underage hurling plan for the county there Finbar
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 09:02:38 PM
Already made a stab at it clonadmad. But I definitely dont have all the answers! Is that all you have to add or do you disagree with what im saying? Is Laois grand the way it is? Anyway ive had my rant!
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 26, 2017, 09:04:06 PM
Lay out your vision of an underage hurling plan for the county there Finbar
He's got nothing. An empty vase.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 09:16:11 PM
Says the man doing nothing but throwing abuse!  ;D
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 26, 2017, 10:40:54 PM
What "masterplan" is needed?
There is no such thing as a style of hurling that can be transferred all the way from U6 to Senior or even U12 to Senior.

From 6-12 all you can do is make sure the basics become natural, that fundamental movement is well covered, and that hurling is an attractive proposition- i.e. fun. That is all you can do.

From 12-14 all you can do is work sharpening the basics and adding the more complex skills. Introducing some tactical awareness at this age.

From 14-18 the basics should be natural, and the more complex skills should be made natural at this stage. More complex S&C/Fundamental Movement is introduced and a much higher level of tactical awareness/game management becomes the norm. Again, making hurling an attractive proposition is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT at this age.

We are very unlikely to ever be in a position to put a decent amount of work into an U21 team. Strong U21s will already be seniors, and will simply be unavailable to U21 managements.

I don't see how it is any more complicated than that?
Getting clubs into primary schools. Getting the same kids to go to the clubs. Getting development squads together at weekends and school holidays. What else can be done in terms of structures?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 26, 2017, 11:00:55 PM
Time you grew up Don.

I asked Finbar for his Vision,not to score points or denigrate the man.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 26, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
Time you grew up Don.

I asked Finbar for his Vision,not to score points or denigrate the man.
I'm grand, thanks for your concern. I listened to enough from that man a year ago, I won't tolerate him any further. Vision? You'll be f**king waiting.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: finbar o tool on March 26, 2017, 11:14:09 PM
What "masterplan" is needed?
There is no such thing as a style of hurling that can be transferred all the way from U6 to Senior or even U12 to Senior.

From 6-12 all you can do is make sure the basics become natural, that fundamental movement is well covered, and that hurling is an attractive proposition- i.e. fun. That is all you can do.

From 12-14 all you can do is work sharpening the basics and adding the more complex skills. Introducing some tactical awareness at this age.

From 14-18 the basics should be natural, and the more complex skills should be made natural at this stage. More complex S&C/Fundamental Movement is introduced and a much higher level of tactical awareness/game management becomes the norm. Again, making hurling an attractive proposition is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT at this age.

We are very unlikely to ever be in a position to put a decent amount of work into an U21 team. Strong U21s will already be seniors, and will simply be unavailable to U21 managements.

I don't see how it is any more complicated than that?
Getting clubs into primary schools. Getting the same kids to go to the clubs. Getting development squads together at weekends and school holidays. What else can be done in terms of structures?

No one has ever stated that, and why would they its a ridiculous comment!
You make it sound so simple Keyser! If it was as straightforward as that we'd be all Ireland champions long ago!! At least were having a conversation though and not just throwing jibes!  The reason i hesitate to explain a "masterplan" or "vision" etc here is because it IS too complicated to put in a simple post on a forum as you have attempted above. Laois hurling hasnt really progressed in the last 20/25 years except for having a more professional set up at senior level over the last few years. Every year is a repeat of the last with slight variations. Ask yourself why? Just take a look at some other clubs in different counties via their websites etc and you will see the difference. Some clubs in Dublin and Kilkenny etc have stuff Laois dont even have at intercounty level. And some of those things have been in place for years! At club level! We are behind in terms of development and coach education and engagement with our young kids, and i could go on.
I dont have all the answers as ive said before, but to think we cant improve whats in place and strive for better is crazy. We need good hurling people and educated coaches, from Laois and elsewhere, to sit down together and develop a plan, or we'll be stuck in the doldrums forever.
Fair play to the current GDAs etc but they need more help and more bodies.
Sorry to be depressing but we cant bury our heads in the sand either and say next year will be different. It has to be a long term approach.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 26, 2017, 11:30:53 PM
To be as pedantic as you- I never said it was simple.
But it isn't over complicated either. It does require hard work. Non stop and persistent hard work over many years. That's the secret. Any break of 2-3 years in the middle of this and you are back to square one.

Some of the people who end up over development squads is embarrassing at times. They are not capable of doing the job asked of them.
That is everyone's fault- mine, Don's, even yours!

Now, can you stop hesitating and at least suggest some of these improvements you had in mind.

This is quickly going down the road of your "Cheddar Out" phase- plenty of noise about what's wrong but almost having to be begged to suggest some ideas of your own.

You said you wanted discussion and then you come out with this stuff;

No one has ever stated that, and why would they its a ridiculous comment!
You make it sound so simple Keyser! If it was as straightforward as that we'd be all Ireland champions long ago!! At least were having a conversation though and not just throwing jibes!  The reason i hesitate to explain a "masterplan" or "vision" etc here is because it IS too complicated to put in a simple post on a forum as you have attempted above...... and i could go on. 
Sorry to be depressing but we cant bury our heads in the sand either and say next year will be different. It has to be a long term approach.

You are saying nothing that isn't being done or tried.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: CluainABU on March 27, 2017, 08:23:41 AM
I think the comment re. the GDAs is valid. They are an extremely valuable resource and we're very fortunate with the lads we have in place. However, I firmly believe they need a lot more support (administration, strategy and organisationally) and they need a lot more bodies.

Without trying to imply that we indoctrinate a certain type of hurling from juvenile, the GDAs I believe are the key to ensuring we provide a consistent level of coaching and development across all the schools and clubs in the county. When you look at the footprint they have to cover, in terms of number schools and clubs per GDA and then you add the amount of administration and strategic work (and self-improvement) they need to do on top of this, I think our numbers are unrealistic.

I'm not sure if there is a generic rule of thumb applied per county (# of GDAs), or if it's simply down to the resources within each county, or if the funding is distributed centrally - but invaluable IMO

Re. yesterdays result and the form this year, without being naive, the number of injuries and age profile of the panel has to be a considered. Dropping down to Div 2 voluntarily would be lunacy. You have to be competing at the highest level you can, otherwise, you adapt to those around you and your standards drop - maybe not on a yo-yo year where you go down and come up, but if you go down and don't bounce back, disillusionment can easily set in
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 27, 2017, 09:57:49 AM
We need a minimum of 2 more hurling GDA's

We also need in the primary schools,parish leagues and an extension of the CnB program to include 3 and 4 class.

Each club needs to put a director of hurling in place to drive an agreed vision of the game,we have too many people in underage coaching positions in clubs who are willing but need direction as they aren't immersed in the game.

One example I see on a regular basis 15 v 15 games in training at u8's and u10 level,complete waste of time,small sided games are what's needed.

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 27, 2017, 10:25:03 AM
Was anyone down in Wexford yesterday to see our senior hurlers put up that brave display? As someone else mentioned it's good to see us raise a couple of green flags. No mean feat to run Wexford so close irrespective of their position in the table.
Cha back at centreback was a bold move and as Eamon Kelly said there was no one breaking through the middle as easily as against Limerick
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 27, 2017, 02:43:25 PM
Laois V Kerry 7pm next Saturday evening in O'Moore Park.

Spread the word and get people to attend. Very important game and they deserve the support.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: hurlingmad on March 27, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
Laois V Kerry 7pm next Saturday evening in O'Moore Park.

Spread the word and get people to attend. Very important game and they deserve the support.
Hope Tipp beat the green and white rags that are offaly by a cricket score
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 27, 2017, 04:10:35 PM
We need a minimum of 2 more hurling GDA's

We also need in the primary schools,parish leagues and an extension of the CnB program to include 3 and 4 class.

Each club needs to put a director of hurling in place to drive an agreed vision of the game,we have too many people in underage coaching positions in clubs who are willing but need direction as they aren't immersed in the game.

One example I see on a regular basis 15 v 15 games in training at u8's and u10 level,complete waste of time,small sided games are what's needed.

Completely agree. There are a lot of coaches running underage teams who don't believe in 'newfangled methods'. The club director of hurling should be a driven individual connected to modern methods - preferrably former senior inter county players. Most clubs have several candidates that would fit the bill. Too often it is parents of young fellas helping out that unwittingly neglect the skill development of younger players. The old excuse that 'young lads don't want to be doing drills all day' doesn't carry water in other counties. 
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 27, 2017, 06:18:22 PM
Im also after hearing today and I dont know true it is or not,but for u12 games this year,mentors will now have to ref games as there are a shortage of Refs.



Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Clubber Lang on March 27, 2017, 06:21:19 PM
I was just wondering if Kelly used some of the posts here stating that Laois would be better off playing in Division 2 as motivation before the Wexford game. Could you imagine as a player seeing those comments and the lack of faith shown in them.  I personally think it would be a huge set back dropping down a division and ridiculous that lads would consider this the best option for the county. Look at Antrim-it hasn't done them any favours. The lads have gained huge experience for playing in 1B this season and I would be optimistic that they will be in a much better position next season to challenge some of the stronger teams in 1B (once the GAA don't tamper with the structures like I fear they will to have an eight team Division 1 next season).   
     
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 27, 2017, 09:33:46 PM
Im also after hearing today and I dont know true it is or not,but for u12 games this year,mentors will now have to ref games as there are a shortage of Refs.
That's the clubs own fault. A list of referees should be published and clubs named and shamed
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 28, 2017, 10:01:13 AM
Will the Div 1 football league games be brought forward on Saturday evening? A bit crazy having a full round of league games, football or not, throwing in 30 mins before a big relegation playoff.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 28, 2017, 10:42:33 AM
Im also after hearing today and I dont know true it is or not,but for u12 games this year,mentors will now have to ref games as there are a shortage of Refs.
That's the clubs own fault. A list of referees should be published and clubs named and shamed

A referees list is published every year in the CLG Handbook every year,It's very easy to see which club are supplying referees and which club aren't.Im surprised you weren't aware of that.

I know for a fact in Tipperary that if your club isn't supplying at least 1 referee,you club is barred from entering any competition at all levels,the same should be done here.

There shouldn't be any u-12 hurling games played without an official referee,for any number of reasons,full stop.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Don Draper on March 28, 2017, 10:48:56 AM
Im also after hearing today and I dont know true it is or not,but for u12 games this year,mentors will now have to ref games as there are a shortage of Refs.
That's the clubs own fault. A list of referees should be published and clubs named and shamed

A referees list is published every year in the CLG Handbook every year,It's very easy to see which club are supplying referees and which club aren't.Im surprised you weren't aware of that.

I know for a fact in Tipperary that if your club isn't supplying at least 1 referee,you club is barred from entering any competition at all levels,the same should be done here.

There shouldn't be any u-12 hurling games played without an official referee,for any number of reasons,full stop.
I meant put it up here when you get a chance. The Club handbook is seen by few outside those involved in the Club Exec, I doubt some on here would ever have seen one.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 28, 2017, 11:20:18 AM
There's by my count  14 clubs in the county not supplying refs in any shape or form,this is based on the 2016 handbook.

Some glaring examples

Abbeyleix
Arles Killeen
Arles Kilcruise
Ballinakill
Ballyroan Abbey
Rosenallis
The Harps

Loads of Clubs supplying just 1,Stradbally for example.

and then others more than up to scratch
Clough Ballacolla with 4
Castletown with3
Rathdowney/Erril with 5
Portlaoise with 3 and 2
Port with 5 football and 1 hurling
Courtwood with 3 and 1

Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Camarillo Brillo on March 28, 2017, 12:31:28 PM
List of referees available on Laois website

http://www.laoisgaa.ie/contentPage/358646/2017_referee_contacts
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on March 28, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
Thanks for that Brillo
 
By my count 13 Refs have stepped down between the 2016 list and the 2017 one and 5 new ones have stepped up,leaving us down 8 refs in total,making a bad situation even worse.


Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 30, 2017, 05:50:36 PM
Lads we've gone way off course on this thread- keep it going in the Future for Laois hurling thread.

Any news on the team for Saturday? Will Picky or Matthew be available?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Keyser Söze on March 30, 2017, 06:51:45 PM
The three defeats to Kerry in the last 12 months or so have been the most disappointing results for years.

Kerry seem to enjoy hurling against us.
We need to stop conceding impossibly big scorelines.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: blueandwhite1 on March 30, 2017, 09:51:21 PM
The three defeats to Kerry in the last 12 months or so have been the most disappointing results for years.

Kerry seem to enjoy hurling against us.
We need to stop conceding impossibly big scorelines.

I thought our best performance last year was the relegation match against Westmeath. Hopefully this will be a repeat. I believed we would struggle down in Tralee this year but am confident going to Portlaoise Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: redsetanta on March 31, 2017, 10:17:22 AM
Same starting team named as the last day against Wexford. Bound to be changes so. I wonder will he play Cha at centreback again? Any sign of Picky or Matthew?
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Target Man on April 01, 2017, 08:34:14 AM
massive game tomorrow. Dropping to division 2 would have a huge negative impact imo. Hopefully can do it. Not too sure about the Cha at 6 experiment, he's not a natural defender from what I've seen of him, and is a massive loss from forward line
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 08:10:05 PM
7 points up,into the breeze and we now have the footballers disease,1 man down
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
Kerry goal with the last puck of the game to draw level,extra time
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: Clubber Lang on April 01, 2017, 08:46:11 PM
It's like Kerry have a heck on this Laois team. Enda needs to get his head back into the game after that error. Why he just didn't let sliotar go over bar I don't know. Hopefully he can redeem himself. It's a big ask to win this now after playing virtually the whole game with 14 men. Fair play to Kerry though-they never give up. 
Title: Re: Laois 2017 - NHL and Leinster SHC
Post by: burdizzo on April 01, 2017, 09:04:28 PM
In fairness to Enda, he'd just put over a point, and had pulled off a fantastic save earlier in the half. But yes, a bit of a disaster.
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Post by: clonadmad on April 01, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
5m 20secs of injury time on top of extra time.

We definitely got our money's worth.
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Post by: Clubber Lang on April 01, 2017, 10:17:09 PM
Great win and great heart shown by Laois team tonight. We can't ask much more of this panel as they gave everything. Deserved the victory I thought. Referee gave Kerry every chance with the amount of injury time played at the very end. It would have been some spectacle to watch a free taking shoot out but I'm not sure my nerves would have taken it.
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Post by: burdizzo on April 01, 2017, 10:31:31 PM
I think Leix looked the better team overall, but the effort of playing most of the match w/ 14, and that freak goal nearly did for them. Mighty relieved, but well, well done!

Just to add, and with reference to the suggestion on here that Cahir Healy ditch the hurlers for the footballers - I thought he did an enormous amount of work in defence tonight. His determination and doggedness stood out a mile, and I for one hope he sticks w/ the hurlers!
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Post by: SCFC on April 01, 2017, 11:31:06 PM
That will probably go down as a decent enough league for the hurlers. Win over Offaly, win over Kerry when it counted most. Decent show in Wexford.
OK, the Galway and Limerick results were bad but we blooded plenty of players and have to be looking forward to the championship now.
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Post by: Keyser Söze on April 01, 2017, 11:33:44 PM
That will probably go down as a decent enough league for the hurlers. Win over Offaly, win over Kerry when it counted most. Decent show in Wexford.
OK, the Galway and Limerick results were bad but we blooded plenty of players and have to be looking forward to the championship now.

Exactly. Unfortunately for the moment this is what we have to aspire to-beat the teams around us and put up a couple of good shows against the "bigger teams".
It's still a hell of a lot better than yo-yoing between Division 2A & Division 1B.

We need to shore up at the back big time.
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Post by: steven seagal on April 02, 2017, 07:41:19 AM
Well holy f**k that was an incredible game of hurling.
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Post by: Helix on April 02, 2017, 01:17:31 PM
Good to see them retain status with many new lads blooded over the campaign. They've earned their pints for the weekend. Hopefully a good round robin and leinster championship awaits!
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Post by: redsetanta on April 02, 2017, 03:40:57 PM
Very proud of the Laois hurlers last night. They showed real character to win that game. I thought our goose was cooked with the Kerry goal to level it but to score the first 3 points of extra time was the winning of it. Some great performances all over the field from a very young team who are gaining experience and maturity with every game and led by their captain who was brilliant on the night. They deserve their pints over the weekend and go into the round robin series in good shape. A tough night as a supporter but ultimately a happy one.
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 02, 2017, 06:52:02 PM
You couldn't fault these lads for effort and guts. Kerry are a serious hurling team and are at least as good as us. Their pace, passing and precision is incredible. If we beat them in Tralee in May it will be very hard earned. There is no doubt that we have huge work to do in defence in particular but at least they can prepare for the championship with confidence. The young lads are gaining huge experience and they same to have great team spirit.
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Post by: LOVEGAA on April 03, 2017, 12:33:26 PM
Great to see positives for Laois hurling for a change.   The lads couldnt have given more especially being 1 man down so early.
Their determination was evident especially when they were winning by so much, let it go to extra time and then pulled it out of the bag. Great spirit, lead by King who took his role as captain to a new level.
The first half showed how well they are capable of hurling and the 2nd half showed how determined they can be.
Well done lads
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Post by: clonadmad on April 03, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
Am I right in saying the winners of the round robin play Offaly in the Leinster Q/F?
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Post by: burdizzo on April 03, 2017, 01:04:35 PM
No, not necessarily. The draw won't be made until after the round-robin is over.

On another note, it was good to see young Collier back. I thought he showed great potential a couple of years ago, and he got a nice point when he came on.
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Post by: Don Draper on April 04, 2017, 09:55:11 AM
Just to add, and with reference to the suggestion on here that Cahir Healy ditch the hurlers for the footballers - I thought he did an enormous amount of work in defence tonight. His determination and doggedness stood out a mile, and I for one hope he sticks w/ the hurlers!
Just to clarify, again, and to say, Cahir always said he wanted to go back to the footballers due to how it ended up previously. I was merely suggesting that given his age, he'd be as well go now, rather than wait until he was 33 or 34, and do himself some justice if he so wished with the football. It wasn't a slight against the hurlers, despite many trying to make it out as such.

It was never a case of ditching the hurlers, Cahir never let Laois down a day in his life. If we had more like him, in both codes, we'd be in a lot better place.

It was a good night to be in O'Moore Park on Saturday, not so much to be beating Kerry, or staying up, but to see a new generation of Laois hurler born. They deserved that win. They deserved their few pints over the weekend. On such weekends, are teams formed. Well done lads.
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Post by: redsetanta on April 04, 2017, 10:09:30 AM
It was very evident with every player how much it meant to them. They worked as hard as i've seen them work during a game and that set the tone. The chasing, hooking, blocking and tackling was immense and we came out of plenty of rucks with the ball. At times the standard wasn't as good as it should but we definately looked the better team. It was great to have Picky on the field and the difference primary possession makes. He caught one ball turned and put it over the bar.
Watching the likes of Willie Dunphy coming off disgusted that he had to leave the pitch and it was great to see the team smiling and upbeat afterwards. As someone else said they seem to have a great bond and nights like last Saturday will only make that stronger.
It suits us to be in the round robin this year to try and build up some momentum before we play in the quarter final and lets be honest we are good enough to come 1st or 2nd in that group.
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Post by: Helix on April 04, 2017, 10:59:25 AM
Any word on injury list lads getting back for championship. The likes of Whelan and Mark Kavanagh back from acl injury?
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Post by: burdizzo on April 04, 2017, 12:09:05 PM
Plus, I was wondering about Foyle and his eligibility after the red card.
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Post by: redsetanta on April 04, 2017, 12:15:48 PM
Do red cards carry over to other competitions?

If so he'll miss game against Westmeath in Portlaoise.

Next two games are away to Meath and Kerry.
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Post by: Unlaoised on April 04, 2017, 01:08:52 PM
One comfort over the weekend was the performance of the hurlers who showed character and heart to stay up.

Well done lads!
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Post by: Dave like the tv channel on April 04, 2017, 04:40:18 PM
Should beat Meath & Westmeath anyway. Kerry away will not be easy.

ROUND ROBIN (3 Rounds) -    MEATH, KERRY, LAOIS, WESMTEATH
Round 1 (Round Robin)
1.   Meath   v   Kerry   23.4.2017   Pairc Tailteann Navan   3.00pm
2.   Laois   v   Westmeath   23.4.2017   O Moore Park Portlaoise   3.00pm
Round 2 (Round Robin)
1.   Westmeath   v   Kerry   30.4.2017   TEG Cusack Park Mullingar   3.00pm
2.   Meath   v   Laois   30.4.2017   Pairc Tailteann Navan   3.00pm
Round 3 (Round Robin)
1.   Westmeath   v   Meath   14.5.2017   TEG Cusack park   3.00pm
2.   Kerry   v   Laois   14.5.2017   Austin Stack Park Tralee   3.00pm
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Post by: redsetanta on April 05, 2017, 10:20:31 AM
http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/243519/captain-king-shows-he-s-the-man-for-the-big-occasion-once-again.html (http://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/sport/243519/captain-king-shows-he-s-the-man-for-the-big-occasion-once-again.html)
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Post by: Tobias on April 19, 2017, 02:54:54 PM
It's all very quiet on here lads with only a few days to go before championship.
Reading the hoganstand website it looks like we could be without half a team. Picky, Matthew, Cha, Podge law lor, Lennon and Leigh Bergin are all on the treatment table. I think foyle is suspended too so if all those are missing we could be in bother. A minimum requirement in the championship would be to get out of the group, anything less and the year is a disaster really. Westmeath will be no pushover and Kerry away is a tough game so we need to get off to a good start on Sunday.
I'll have a go at what I think should be the starting team assuming all are available
E Fleming
Cleere
Bergin
Palmer
Healy
Matthew
L O Connell
R King
P Purcell
P Maher
C Dwyer
C Collier
W Dunphy
N Foyle
A Dunphy
C Taylor or P Whelan to come in for foyle presuming he's out.
Any word on PJ Scully, Mark Kavanagh or Tom Delaney?
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Post by: redsetanta on April 19, 2017, 03:06:02 PM
I like Liam O'Connell but he needs to get a bit cuter. He was blocked down clearing the ball on a good few occasions against Kerry. It's not like he was being hooked from behind where he couldn't see anyone. Kerry got scores from a couple of these. In fairness he also scored a great point himself but he needs to be more aware of that.
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Post by: redsetanta on April 21, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
Good interview with Ross King.

http://www.gaa.ie/features/feature/king-princely-ambitions-for-laois-hurling/ (http://www.gaa.ie/features/feature/king-princely-ambitions-for-laois-hurling/)
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Post by: BallyroanAbbey on April 21, 2017, 01:28:05 PM
Random question, what ever happen to bill duggan from ballacolla?
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Post by: burdizzo on April 21, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
Rugby.
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Post by: Don Draper on April 21, 2017, 02:47:53 PM
Random question, what ever happen to bill duggan from ballacolla?
Just picked on the Leinster Junior Club side for the InterPro's in fact.
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Post by: Helix on April 21, 2017, 03:50:03 PM
Did I hear Eoin Fleming dropped off the panel? Not sure how true it is heard it today.
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 21, 2017, 10:09:36 PM
Team named. Pretty much as expected with a couple of surprises. Are Ryan Mullaney and John Lennon injured?
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Post by: redsetanta on April 21, 2017, 11:58:55 PM
Mullaney did his shoulder but not sure about Lennon. He is carrying an injury though.
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Post by: redsetanta on April 22, 2017, 12:20:32 AM
What are the surprises? Paddy Whelan and Picky on the inside line? Nothing major really.
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Post by: Don Draper on April 22, 2017, 07:53:33 AM
Team named. Pretty much as expected with a couple of surprises. Are Ryan Mullaney and John Lennon injured?
Yes
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Post by: G@@ on April 23, 2017, 05:18:57 PM
Relieved with that result. We were rather poor in the first half. The second half was a much better performance and should have piled on after going 8pts in front (all unanswered points). Thought bringing off Cha opened the door for Westmeath allowing them back into the game. Will need a big step up in performance to beat Meath who are obviously on a high after beating Kerry and winning Div 2B along with last years Christy Ring Cup.
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Post by: redsetanta on April 23, 2017, 05:34:31 PM
Wasn't there today but sounded like Roddy didn't get going at all. We need all our top players to perform to do anything. Hopefully he saves his big game for Kerry.
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Post by: redsetanta on April 23, 2017, 06:50:08 PM
Some win for Meath today. Just shows how tight this round robin will be. Very important game next week. A win and the job should be done.
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Post by: burdizzo on April 23, 2017, 07:21:43 PM
Yes, I think taking off Cha was a bit premature, though he may have been limping a bit. In fairness, the management weren't afraid to make the changes after the poor first half, and bringing him forward seemed to get everyone on their game more. However, we do seem to have a bare enough panel, overall. A couple of injuries, and where are we? Mind you, Downey did well when he came on - could have earned himself a start next time?
As for Flemming dropping off the panel - looks like he should've stuck around. Bad mistake for Westmeath's second goal, and it was a shame to be in a tight corner after putting up such a big lead.
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Post by: G@@ on April 23, 2017, 07:29:34 PM
Meath next Sunday at 3pm. A win here is desperately needed because a win in Tralee on May 14th would be harder earned in my opinion.
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Post by: BallyroanAbbey on April 23, 2017, 08:01:24 PM
i thought that todays win was very good when you consider the players that have retired/injured/wont commit to the team. We pulled away in the 3rd quarter when the game was in the balance, and responded very well to the first goal. There are a few obvious conclusions out of todays game
1)Regardless of where cha is played he is by and far our best player and i would argue is more important to the team now than willie hyland/keenan ever were to laois
2)Rowland for all the talent in the world as a shop stopper is always in danger of making poor mistakes, also i dont think his puckouts are very accurate, but length wise cannot be dismissed, fleming would probably be a less spectactular but less error prone keeper
3)Having lads on the bench that are subs/on 2nd teams of senior clubs must be a massive slap to lads from senior b/inter/junior clubs, i know they are young and probably with the u21s but if you couldnt make your club team the year before you shouldnt be getting within an asses roar of the squad, they had young harnett on the bench too which was nice and he has played fitzgibbon wit CIT and Senior B with Ballyfin last year as a gales player from Mountmellick so hopefully the gales teams unearths a few more, because having subs from club teams on the bench is a bad reflection.

Overall a good win and hopefully more to come
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 24, 2017, 12:31:14 PM
i thought that todays win was very good when you consider the players that have retired/injured/wont commit to the team. We pulled away in the 3rd quarter when the game was in the balance, and responded very well to the first goal. There are a few obvious conclusions out of todays game
1)Regardless of where cha is played he is by and far our best player and i would argue is more important to the team now than willie hyland/keenan ever were to laois
2)Rowland for all the talent in the world as a shop stopper is always in danger of making poor mistakes, also i dont think his puckouts are very accurate, but length wise cannot be dismissed, fleming would probably be a less spectactular but less error prone keeper
3)Having lads on the bench that are subs/on 2nd teams of senior clubs must be a massive slap to lads from senior b/inter/junior clubs, i know they are young and probably with the u21s but if you couldnt make your club team the year before you shouldnt be getting within an asses roar of the squad, they had young harnett on the bench too which was nice and he has played fitzgibbon wit CIT and Senior B with Ballyfin last year as a gales player from Mountmellick so hopefully the gales teams unearths a few more, because having subs from club teams on the bench is a bad reflection.

Overall a good win and hopefully more to come

On your third point - just looking through the subs, I can only see one player who matches that description - Brian Corby. Good young player and probably doing well with the U21s. He is only out of minor so couldn't have played senior yet, it is not that he is of lesser quality than other lads. I would doubt that there are too many put out by it. By and large, our best hurlers are making themselves available for the team with the exception of Zane (as always).

Good and bad yesterday. We won with a very young team and a lot of lads got their championship debuts. Some of them did very well under the circumstances and arguably lifted the older lads. Cian Taylor, Lee Cleere, Sean Downey, Aaron Dunphy, Eanna Lyons and Eric Killeen all had debuts yesterday and the lads around them are all under 23 with few exceptions. We won't be complacent going to Meath next week, that's for sure and hopefully Roddy, Paddy Purcell and a few more that didn't really perform yesterday can show what they are made of. It was encouraging to see Ciaran Collier hurling well too. The biggest worry for me was that when Westmeath needed goals, we let them have them. Similar to what we saw against Kerry in both league matches. Have to shut down those spaces more effectively and track back on the runners from midfield.
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Post by: BallyroanAbbey on April 24, 2017, 01:37:31 PM

On your third point - just looking through the subs, I can only see one player who matches that description - Brian Corby. Good young player and probably doing well with the U21s. He is only out of minor so couldn't have played senior yet, it is not that he is of lesser quality than other lads. I would doubt that there are too many put out by it. By and large, our best hurlers are making themselves available for the team with the exception of Zane (as always).

The likes of Joe Campion, Gearoid Burke, Dayne Peacock would be a few more, i do accept your point about Corby been with the u21s
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 29, 2017, 09:26:59 PM
Best of luck to Laois tomorrow. The wind will be important. Would love to see is with it in second half as it is forecast to get stronger towards evening.
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 30, 2017, 07:49:11 PM
Quiet on here.

Big win today against a Meath team with plenty of hurling in them. As always, room to improve but a 15 point win should see us into quarters. Hope Cahir recovers quickly. Thankfully Collier and Clere have come back and are flying as we are seriously low on options at the back.

If we can win in Kerry, I think that would be the first time we would win all 3 qualifiers. Big ask though as Kerry need the win more than we do. I feel we have improved a lot since the league so if we can throw off the shackles and defend tightly we can win. All about primary possession where we have struggled against them for the last 2 years.
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Post by: G@@ on April 30, 2017, 08:36:40 PM
Laois won today on a 3-25 to 2-13 scoreline. I thought Laois were on the back foot for the first twenty minutes and Meath were dictating the pace of the game. The injury to Healy looked nasty, hopefully he isn't too bad - he did walk off though which may be a good sign. From there on Laois took the game to Meath and rattled the net three times, Foyle was instrumental in breaking ball down for Purcell to run on to and bag his hat-trick.

The second half was going-through-the-motions stuff though and yet again we shipped two goals which is a big worry. The second goal for Meath was awful to concede. Hats off to Rowland though for saving the penalty later in the game. I was impressed with Cleere, King and Purcell today and Cha was very good also - but why is management taking him off with 10 minutes to go?.

Overall it has been a decent run through this round robin group and I didn't expect us to be going as well, running up big leads - however sitting back after going ahead and inviting other teams on to us is a massive, massive worry. Kerry in two weeks time down in Tralee will be an interesting test - I hope the lads get a win there and top the group, it's the least they deserve for all their hard work.
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Post by: blueandwhite1 on April 30, 2017, 09:01:29 PM
In fairness, every time Meath rallied we pushed them back out to 15 points. With that wind it was never going to be easy in the second half. No doubt we need to continue to work on defence but the tracking back today was much better and we worked hard for turn overs.

The last day out they said that Cha was carrying a niggle and they took him off.