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Title: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 11, 2016, 12:15:02 PM
Before I start, i dont want this to turn into a county board bashing thread!
I realise the fixtures issue is a complex one and is very very difficult to solve.
I am looking for posters to make suggestions about how the thing can be improved.

The fixtures this year for clubs have been an absolute disaster, so something has to change.
We are in the situation now where in mid October we still have two rounds of league fixtures to play then promotion relegation play offs AND the reserve championship!
For senior clubs, we haven't had a league fixture now in 8 weeks.There will obviously be none next week either and then with the ulster club on 30th October that's likely to be another week with no club football.
Like i said rather than just bash the county board, has anyone any suggestions on how to improve the situation for both senior and reserves?
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Knock Yer Mucker In on October 11, 2016, 12:19:29 PM
Start the league earlier and get it finished by the start of August. And why has there not been games the past four weeks, especially last weekend and this, makes no sense at all, but as earlier start with mid week games would be better with it cleared up by august before the championship
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: The Trap on October 11, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
All clubs vote the way the CCCCCCCCCCC wanted them to at the start of the year and then they would give a f**k.........
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: nobodyknows on October 11, 2016, 12:32:16 PM
Personally I feel all Senior/ reserve games should be played on Friday/ Saturday Evenings obviously when day light allows this to do so. There is also no reason as to why clubs cant play a mid week fixture throughout the summer months, im sure players would rather have a game than training. I appreciate that the travel and time for teams may be an issue so it should between two local teams.

I also think that the reserve competition also needs a rejig and should take the form of a 'junior' competition where there are two divisions of teams in both the west/ east. Each team will nominate 12 players who fielded in the last senior fixture that are ineligible to play in this competition. These games should take place on evenings prior to senior fixtures or also throughout the week.   
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Tyrone Gaa on October 11, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
I agree that reserve competitions should take on a role of their own, with promotion/relegation.  Games can be played 13 a side if necessary and can be played midweek not to clash with the senior game.  The attendances are poor so its not like they should take a hit.  The problem I see with it is the availability of referees and the CB's reluctance to fund this expense.

Its a disgrace that no round of the reserve championship has been played to date.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 11, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
I think the only way is to have the league played before the championship.
When you are out of the championship then its season over.
That may involve starting the league a  week or two earlier or maybe compressing the season a bit, but at least i would lead to regular games.

One criticism i would have is the lack of communication of fixtures. why can we not be let know at this stage what the plan is? Clubs still have no idea when the remaining games are likley to be
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 11, 2016, 12:59:37 PM
All clubs vote the way the CCCCCCCCCCC wanted them to at the start of the year and then they would give a f**k.........

I know the CCC where in favour of an early round of the championship and the clubs voted against it, but would have really solved the issue we are having now anyway?

Is it feasible to make extra time compulsory in the event of a draw? Leaving less replays?
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: The Trap on October 11, 2016, 01:10:01 PM
All clubs vote the way the CCCCCCCCCCC wanted them to at the start of the year and then they would give a f**k.........

I know the CCC where in favour of an early round of the championship and the clubs voted against it, but would have really solved the issue we are having now anyway?

If anyone can recall the CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC sent out an email to clubs about playing an early round of the championship that listed about 20 PROS for this and 1 CON. In other words they REALLY wanted this to happen. Clubs (rightly in my opinion) voted against this and because of that I feel that ever since Tyrone went out of the championship they are being punished.

Why have the final 2 league games been played? Who really cares whether they are all played together or not......
Why has the reserve championship not been played? The first round should have been played the week after every first round fixture just like they used to be and then played out thereafter.

What appetite is there now for the final 2 league games, play offs or reserve championship?
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 11, 2016, 01:23:09 PM
As blewup states communication, or lack of, is my biggest gripe.

However a suggestion. Get rid of the holiday fortnight. People rarely take holidays at this time of the year anymore, or at least it's not very different to the rest of the summer months. In North Tyrone the two weeks they take is not even our usual holiday period.

Run one set of Friday night, Sunday evening fixtures.

Eliminate replays from at least round one of the Championship.

That's 3 rounds of fixtures at least saved and allows more time later in the year.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 11, 2016, 01:38:06 PM
As blewup states communication, or lack of, is my biggest gripe.

However a suggestion. Get rid of the holiday fortnight. People rarely take holidays at this time of the year anymore, or at least it's not very different to the rest of the summer months. In North Tyrone the two weeks they take is not even our usual holiday period.

Run one set of Friday night, Sunday evening fixtures.

Eliminate replays from at least round one of the Championship.

That's 3 rounds of fixtures at least saved and allows more time later in the year.
All pretty good ideas Norf.
The holiday period one is a good one.
If we are to have a holiday period, maybe it should be at the beginning of  August when Tyrone are likely to be involved in qtr finals or qualifiers rounds. that would that  is less likely to have to use a starred game then.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Hereiam on October 11, 2016, 01:54:54 PM
How many clubs are still training to play there last two games. I agree that the two week holiday should be done away with which this year meant with Tyrone games etc there were no games played for 4 weeks in the height of summer which is stupid
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Legoman5 on October 11, 2016, 01:59:51 PM
Yous obv arent players if you wana scrap the holiday period!
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 11, 2016, 02:02:53 PM
I still think there is a place for the holiday period. The trouble is we have that gap in fixtures for the holiday period and then loads of other gaps with no games as well where the holiday period might have been better served.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 11, 2016, 02:08:21 PM
Yous obv arent players if you wana scrap the holiday period!

I'm not.

However I know loads of players who don't take their hols in that period.

Whats your suggestion?
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: The Trap on October 11, 2016, 02:16:49 PM
My suggestion would be to TRY OUR VERY BEST to have a fixtures schedule at the start of the year and stick to it (despite whatever obstacles there are). That way you wouldn't need a designated holiday period as players could look at the schedule and plan hols, weddings, stag do's, concerts etc around it.
Whenever the play offs etc are over and we know the make up of the 3 divisions have a committee set up immediately to put this in place. Surely we could get 15 games played from St Patricks Day and the end of August. Teams with county players would probably get a raw deal at times but I think that's the way it is going and we will have to bite the bullet.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 11, 2016, 02:25:04 PM
I would agree with this.
There may not be a 'designated holiday period' but there would still be free weekends where tyrone are playing and there will def be no club games.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: nobodyknows on October 11, 2016, 02:26:48 PM
Yous obv arent players if you wana scrap the holiday period!

I'm not.

However I know loads of players who don't take their hols in that period.

Whats your suggestion?


The Holiday period coincides with the construction holidays and i imagine this is probably the largest employment sector for players. Therefore if they dont take holidays in this period its difficult for them to get time off at other times of the year. 
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: W.A.G. Lover on October 11, 2016, 03:27:43 PM
I would propose 2 Scenarios for Senior Football:
Scenario 1.) Return to 4 Leagues of 12 Teams. Each team plays 11 games at home and 11 away from home. Starred Fixtures would be scrapped, with County Players playing in a minimum of 11 games, playing each team at least once. This provides the average Club Player with more League Football, whilst also assuring the County Player of still playing the minimum 10/11 games as currently.
Scenario 2.) Keep current Format. Play each team in your league once, with 15 League games for each Club, and 5 of which are starred. Doesn't eliminate any of the current problems for the Club Plyer. Possibly reintroduce the League Cups, but teams also loss interest in these with no effect on League or Championship.

For Reserve Football, I would propose splitting the connection between Senior & Reserves. Teams would begin the 2017 campaign based on their Standing from the 2016 Season. Fixtures would be standalone on a separate evening (Possibly Fridays, with Seniors on Saturday/Sunday). Reserve teams could then be promoted/relegated depending on their own performances and not Seniors. This would alleviate a lot of hammerings in Reserve football. And, may also keep young lads interested. Plus, have the League wrapped up by August to begin Championship. Team for Championship could not involve anyone who played the Previous Senior Championship. Reserve League Squad also determined by previous Senior Campaign or Senior League Games that current Season. Possible Separate East/West Leagues with Winners of each side to meet in Division 1/2/3 Finals?
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 12, 2016, 11:08:46 AM
What are the main issues (if any) of playing the league in full before the championship is played?
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: The Trap on October 12, 2016, 11:22:32 AM
The only issue I would see with playing off the league in full before the championship would be then having to wait for the play offs (very tough on teams that exit the championship early and then have to wait) so to alleviate that I would scrap play-offs and just have promotion/relegation based on the league table at the end of 15 games.
I don't think any club would have any problem with the exit of the championship being their last game of the year!
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Club boi on October 12, 2016, 11:27:59 AM
The only issue I would see with playing off the league in full before the championship would be then having to wait for the play offs (very tough on teams that exit the championship early and then have to wait) so to alleviate that I would scrap play-offs and just have promotion/relegation based on the league table at the end of 15 games.
I don't think any club would have any problem with the exit of the championship being their last game of the year!

100% Right

Scrap League Playoffs. You come top you deserve to win the league. Another County Board Money Spinner

Really enjoy this thread and it's clear to see most people have the same views that the league should be wrapped up before Championship begins

Also strongly believe Reserves should be played on a separate night/evening
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 12, 2016, 11:30:20 AM
The only issue I would see with playing off the league in full before the championship would be then having to wait for the play offs (very tough on teams that exit the championship early and then have to wait) so to alleviate that I would scrap play-offs and just have promotion/relegation based on the league table at the end of 15 games.
I don't think any club would have any problem with the exit of the championship being their last game of the year!
I would agree with that.
I think the main reasoning for the playoffs was that it gave more teams something to play for towards the end of the season , so there are less chance of 'arranged' results at the tail end of the season by teams with nothing to play for.
This would be unlikely to happen anyway if the clubs where still preparing for the championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: redhandofgod on October 12, 2016, 11:35:08 AM
Would clubs still be asked to play 1/3rd of their league games without county players?
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 12, 2016, 11:38:32 AM
Would clubs still be asked to play 1/3rd of their league games without county players?
I think the starred game system is the only way to get games played during the county season
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: The Trap on October 12, 2016, 11:40:03 AM
With regard to reserves, if the league was played in full as we are saying in this thread, 15 games played in a schedule that everyone knows at the start of the year, followed by a championship in Aug/Sep then I could see no reason why reserve games would not be played before senior games as before (I always loved that concept when it worked right). Reserve championship could still take place a week after every first round championship game.
The only thing that could happen would be if Tyrone were in an All Ireland semi final/final and there were no club games for 6/8 weeks as the league would be finished. However all clubs could be training properly for a championship first round during that period knowing that the league was finished and all players (senior and reserve) would still have a big game to train for. Also everyone could really enjoy Tyrone being in the semi final/final as they know there is no chance of a game until they are out! This wouldn't happen every year but when it does everyone could get behind the county and the years it doesn't happen the championship would progress.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: square_ball on October 12, 2016, 11:42:23 AM
Were the play offs not introduced as a way of off setting the damage of losing your county players for starred games? Play offs then allowed you to perhaps salvage your league season either by winning the league, getting promotion or avoiding relegation.

I would be in favour of playing all league games before championship with 3 up 3 down in each division and do away with play offs. Where county players and starred games come into this I'm not sure. The likes of Norf wouldn't be happy playing a lot of games without their star man while trying to get their way out of Division 3. Its not an easy solution to that problem for sure.

I like the idea of bringing back a Friday and Sunday set of fixtures once in the year and playing other games throughout the week. The fixtures would soon get cleared up this way.

To be fair the leagues were cruising along nicely this season in terms of fixtures played but as soon as championship comes around thats when the proverbial hits the fan and you are looking at the end of November before things get settled again which is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: TabClear on October 12, 2016, 12:34:49 PM
Were the play offs not introduced as a way of off setting the damage of losing your county players for starred games? Play offs then allowed you to perhaps salvage your league season either by winning the league, getting promotion or avoiding relegation.

I would be in favour of playing all league games before championship with 3 up 3 down in each division and do away with play offs. Where county players and starred games come into this I'm not sure. The likes of Norf wouldn't be happy playing a lot of games without their star man while trying to get their way out of Division 3. Its not an easy solution to that problem for sure.

I like the idea of bringing back a Friday and Sunday set of fixtures once in the year and playing other games throughout the week. The fixtures would soon get cleared up this way.

To be fair the leagues were cruising along nicely this season in terms of fixtures played but as soon as championship comes around thats when the proverbial hits the fan and you are looking at the end of November before things get settled again which is ridiculous.

Unfortunately I think the playoffs have to remain for this reason.  While  I'm bit a fan of how they are  dragged out I think it is the lesser of two evils.   Not fair on clubs in the lower leagues where resources are stretched to be disadvantaged in such a large proportion of games.  With the likes of McShane  in div 3 whether he is playing or not completely changes how teams approach Owen Roes games and the odds.

Norf, how many league games did he miss this year? 
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: LeoMc on October 12, 2016, 01:11:58 PM
A few good ideas on here but until fixtures are sorted at a National level then it is only tinkering.

Cut out the break for the Sigerson weekend and scrap the National league semi-finals (and maybe finals?) and get the National league wrapped up 2-3 weeks earlier to allow club football to start.
Condense the provincial championships. It should not take 4 weeks to play 4 first round Ulster championship qualifiers. Play them all on 1 weekend and play the Ulster Championship off in a 7 week window. This will free a further 3-4 weeks up for clubs and they would be fixed windows not dependent upon the Ulster Championship draw.
Condense the All-Ireland championship, teams going through the qualifiers can play games every 2 weeks, The QF's, Semis and finals should be played off over the same spacing. There is another 3-4 weeks for club games.

Then, with the additional available weekends, even the most incompetent fixtures planner can get it right in every county.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 12, 2016, 01:32:10 PM
I agree with your general point , that the intercounty season is the crux of the problem, but in all reality that can only be fixed at national level.
I still think there are things we can do at club level that can improve the situation.
If things where to continue the way they were this season I would honestly fear for club football long term.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 12, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
Were the play offs not introduced as a way of off setting the damage of losing your county players for starred games? Play offs then allowed you to perhaps salvage your league season either by winning the league, getting promotion or avoiding relegation.

I would be in favour of playing all league games before championship with 3 up 3 down in each division and do away with play offs. Where county players and starred games come into this I'm not sure. The likes of Norf wouldn't be happy playing a lot of games without their star man while trying to get their way out of Division 3. Its not an easy solution to that problem for sure.

I like the idea of bringing back a Friday and Sunday set of fixtures once in the year and playing other games throughout the week. The fixtures would soon get cleared up this way.

To be fair the leagues were cruising along nicely this season in terms of fixtures played but as soon as championship comes around thats when the proverbial hits the fan and you are looking at the end of November before things get settled again which is ridiculous.

Unfortunately I think the playoffs have to remain for this reason.  While  I'm bit a fan of how they are  dragged out I think it is the lesser of two evils.   Not fair on clubs in the lower leagues where resources are stretched to be disadvantaged in such a large proportion of games.  With the likes of McShane  in div 3 whether he is playing or not completely changes how teams approach Owen Roes games and the odds.

Norf, how many league games did he miss this year?

A few things.

Norf is NEVER happy.

Who is our 'star man'? All our players, and members are stars.   :)

According to what I can mind he missed 3 games, although I was sure it was 4.

The three games he missed we won them all scoring 4-11, 4-20 and 2-11.

Would the issue with rattling the league off pre Cship be that if Tyrone have a decent run you could see the Championship delayed til Sept/ Oct time and then potentially the rushed Championship.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 12, 2016, 01:47:04 PM
I supose that is possibly an issue Norf, ( if tyrone get to semi final/final.)

The final being a  couple of weeks earlier would certainly help.

Another thing that should be looked at is a second venue in the county that can host games under lights.
This would allow a few more rounds of the championship to be played on a friday night
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Redhand Santa on October 12, 2016, 01:59:59 PM
I previously suggested this:

Have 3 championships of 16 teams. In each competition have 2 groups of 8. Each team plays 7 games and start it march in the national league break. Top 4 through to quarter finals of championship with top team playing 4th etc. Bottom teams relegated in each section (or play offs). These games could be scheduled at start of year and  making sure no clashes with county games, perhaps someone centrally needs to get involved in this. County players would be available for every game. Currently we seem to get 7 of the starred games played quick enough but its the last few that hold things up. Under this scheme county players would play 7 games plus knockout championship and they'd determine what championship you are in. These games could be played before the summer with the quarter finals played after Tyrone go out.

Then play a separate league where county players play if available but fixtures go ahead either way. Do it on a regional basis (senior and reserves together) with east west divide. Have senior and intermediate in each region consisting of 12 teams each. Winners win the league and possibly play other regional winners for overall decider. This would not be linked to the main championship and teams with a load of county players could end up in a lower division but that would suit their level without them. Fixtures again set in stone and there would be relegation and promotion. Would start late March as well and games could be scheduled on same weekends as county games if necessary (just not same day).

This would mean county players being involved for all the important games that decided the championship you play in. There'd still be a separate league with regular games for club players throughout the summer with less travelling and as its not linked to the championship some clubs with a few county men who struggle without won't mind dropping a division.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: The Trap on October 12, 2016, 03:24:04 PM
A bit too complicated Redhand.........as for Cathal McShane and Owen Roes I think at some stage we are going to have to live with the fact that if you have a county player you will have to play without him some of the time.

If all clubs can agree to this then there is no problem whatsoever in putting in a fixture schedule at the start of the year.

So the question is do clubs want regular games organised well in advance or do they want the ad hoc system at present that depends almost completely on how county teams are going?

I know I would love a fixtures schedule handed to me in Feb. Occasionally some clubs may find themselves relegated/missing out on promotion by a couple of points and looking back at games their county player(s) may have made a difference in but overall I would say this would do clubs/club players and by extension the county the power of good.

Does Mickey Harte really want his players slogging it out for their clubs in play offs in Nov/Dec? This way all bar the 3 clubs representing Tyrone in Ulster would be finished by mid Oct at the latest and could then break for a couple of months.

Clubs could begin pre-season in Jan/Feb knowing exactly what they are planning for. Have the club championship draw before a ball is kicked in the league.

Surely this wouldn't be hard to implement..........
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Fuzzman on October 12, 2016, 06:13:50 PM
I agree with your general point , that the intercounty season is the crux of the problem, but in all reality that can only be fixed at national level.

Sorry but I'm not very up to speed on club football any more as have been away a long time.

Just wondering if HQ enforced a rule that county players can only be excused from their club football from the start of July (2 weeks before their provincial final if they are in it) until the end of the quarterfinals early Aug (which only leaves 4 counties left), would this make it easier for clubs to get their games played. So basically if they began round 1 at the start of April they have their county men until July no matter what the county manager says. Could they get 11/12 rounds of league played in those 12 weeks? Any postponements played the following Tuesday night instead of training perhaps.

Then maybe get two rounds of league matches played without county men in early July & a two week break then for holidays or time off before the AI quarterfinal.
If Tyrone are knocked out of the AI then you start your championship early August otherwise you can play 1st round the weekend after AI quarterfinal.

With only 4 county teams left after the first week in August HQ should ensure all other counties play their championship off in August and early Sept.

I'm sure it wouldn't be as simple as this as I'm unaware of all the reasons why so many matches get postponed.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Degrassi Hi on October 13, 2016, 10:12:23 AM
Some very good points have been made on this thread.
One suggestion I would make to the fixture makers would be to propose that each club in Senior and Intermediate play one mid week fixture during the season, with one fixture from Div 1 & 2 played each week over an 8 week period during May and June .  This would perhaps run on local derby's such as Trillick/Dromore, Clonoe/Coalisland, Carrickmore/Errigal, Omagh/Killyclogher, Pomeroy/Galbally, Strabane/Urney.

I attended the Rahillys V Carrickmore which was a mid week fixture and an excellent game of football played in front of a decent crowd with lots of neutrals in attendance.  If these fixture dates were set in stone at the beginning of the year it would give players the chance to organise work etc and allow avid followers of club football to get their football fix during the week.  Also a possibility of good gates for hosting clubs.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: LeoMc on October 13, 2016, 10:17:46 AM
I agree with your general point , that the intercounty season is the crux of the problem, but in all reality that can only be fixed at national level.

Sorry but I'm not very up to speed on club football any more as have been away a long time.

Just wondering if HQ enforced a rule that county players can only be excused from their club football from the start of July (2 weeks before their provincial final if they are in it) until the end of the quarterfinals early Aug (which only leaves 4 counties left), would this make it easier for clubs to get their games played. So basically if they began round 1 at the start of April they have their county men until July no matter what the county manager says. Could they get 11/12 rounds of league played in those 12 weeks? Any postponements played the following Tuesday night instead of training perhaps.

Then maybe get two rounds of league matches played without county men in early July & a two week break then for holidays or time off before the AI quarterfinal.
If Tyrone are knocked out of the AI then you start your championship early August otherwise you can play 1st round the weekend after AI quarterfinal.

With only 4 county teams left after the first week in August HQ should ensure all other counties play their championship off in August and early Sept.

I'm sure it wouldn't be as simple as this as I'm unaware of all the reasons why so many matches get postponed.

Was the 13 day rule not in place to stop County players being over-used, i.e club one Sunday, County the next.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Norf Tyrone on October 13, 2016, 10:28:45 AM
Some very good points have been made on this thread.
One suggestion I would make to the fixture makers would be to propose that each club in Senior and Intermediate play one mid week fixture during the season, with one fixture from Div 1 & 2 played each week over an 8 week period during May and June .  This would perhaps run on local derby's such as Trillick/Dromore, Clonoe/Coalisland, Carrickmore/Errigal, Omagh/Killyclogher, Pomeroy/Galbally, Strabane/Urney.

I attended the Rahillys V Carrickmore which was a mid week fixture and an excellent game of football played in front of a decent crowd with lots of neutrals in attendance.  If these fixture dates were set in stone at the beginning of the year it would give players the chance to organise work etc and allow avid followers of club football to get their football fix during the week.  Also a possibility of good gates for hosting clubs.

A midweek derby to free up 1 x week would definitely work. We played CNG on a Weds evening and there was a big crowd at it, and no issues with players away etc. You could make it so that not all games are on the 1 night.

For example locally you could have CNG v Owen Roes on the Weds, Strabane v Urney (I know, different division) on the Thurs. The next week Dregish v Drumquin on the Weds, Newtown v Glenelly on the Thurs etc.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 13, 2016, 10:41:29 AM
Some very good points have been made on this thread.
One suggestion I would make to the fixture makers would be to propose that each club in Senior and Intermediate play one mid week fixture during the season, with one fixture from Div 1 & 2 played each week over an 8 week period during May and June .  This would perhaps run on local derby's such as Trillick/Dromore, Clonoe/Coalisland, Carrickmore/Errigal, Omagh/Killyclogher, Pomeroy/Galbally, Strabane/Urney.

I attended the Rahillys V Carrickmore which was a mid week fixture and an excellent game of football played in front of a decent crowd with lots of neutrals in attendance.  If these fixture dates were set in stone at the beginning of the year it would give players the chance to organise work etc and allow avid followers of club football to get their football fix during the week.  Also a possibility of good gates for hosting clubs.
I think this is a really good idea, as long as club are given good notice of when their midweek game is likely to be.
These games are likely to get good neutral attendances as well.
Even if it was only done over 4 weeks in the summer, with two fixtures on at different side of the county .
so for example this year in senior

Mid week round 1- Trillick V Dromore ,Killyclogher v Omagh
Midweek round 2- Carrickmore v Greencastle, Kildress v Strabane
Midweek round 3  Augher V Errigal, Ardboe V Edendork
Midweek round 4  Coalisland v Clonoe,  Eglish V Galbally

(i Know some of these aren't derbies, but you get the idea)

Intermediate & Junior could then do similar on different weeks to allow for referees
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Archie Mitchell on October 13, 2016, 11:53:30 AM
The leagues can't be completely wrapped up before championship due to Junior and Intermediate Championship winners earning promotion regardless of league position.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: blewuporstuffed on October 13, 2016, 12:00:43 PM
The leagues can't be completely wrapped up before championship due to Junior and Intermediate Championship winners earning promotion regardless of league position.

Why does that matter?
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Archie Mitchell on October 13, 2016, 12:07:44 PM
The leagues can't be completely wrapped up before championship due to Junior and Intermediate Championship winners earning promotion regardless of league position.

Why does that matter?

Would need to wait to see who is going up via winning the championship and eliminate them from any promotion (or relegation) play offs if they are in position to be involved in them.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: Fionntamhnach on October 15, 2016, 10:58:51 PM
At this stage I'd go to a four division format with a single round-robin for the league giving each club 11 games (12 in the bottom division) that include county players, the starred system being scrapped.


For the championship, I'd decouple it from league standings and instead play with a relegation knock-out system used in some other counties. It means that the championship proper continues being a straight knockout but a team knocked out in the first round must play to retain their status for the next year - have it at least two up & two down between senior & intermediate at least so for the SFC & IFC you could have...


* Date 1 - 1st round championship proper, 16 teams. 8 winners through to quarter finals, 8 losers into relegation round 1.
* Date 2 - Quarter final championship proper, 8 teams. 4 winners through to semi-finals, 4 losers eliminated. -- Relegation Round 1, 8 teams. 4 winners eliminated and maintain status for next year, 4 losers go to relegation round 2.
* Date 3 - Semi final championship proper, 4 teams. 2 winners into the final, 2 losers eliminated. -- Relegation Round 2, 4 teams. 2 winners eliminated and maintain status for next year, 2 losers are relegated.

...the two IFC finalists would be promoted into the SFC and the two JFC finalists would be promoted to the IFC. The JFC needs a different approach as you obviously can't be relegated from it, instead I'd suggest a pseudo back-door, one that can't win you the JFC but adds a third promotion spot to the IFC the following year separate from the main JFC itself, with the IFC relegation having an additional third round between the two round 2 winners with the loser being relegated.

Go back to the league, and simply have two up/two down. No play-offs except possibly an interdivisional play-off between third from bottom vs. third from top in the lower division.

The main problem here is a dearth of games, with clubs only guaranteed 13 fixtures (11 league & 2 championship) so something additional would be needed to give at least another 4-7 games without the guarantee of county players being involved with games played on a no postponement policy during summer months, played 13-a-side if required - I'd go for a local cup competition like the old St. Enda's & Feis cups or along those lines.

Then there's the Reserves. I'd go with the thoughts of several others here and separate them from their senior counterparts at least on a trial basis into west & east with three divisions in each with 8 teams per division on a double round robin giving 14 games. Reserve championship would be a straight knockout, SRFC between Div 1 teams, IRFC between Div 2 teams and JRFC between Div 3 teams.
Title: Re: Tyrone Club Fixtures
Post by: LeoMc on October 15, 2016, 11:13:00 PM
Some very good points have been made on this thread.
One suggestion I would make to the fixture makers would be to propose that each club in Senior and Intermediate play one mid week fixture during the season, with one fixture from Div 1 & 2 played each week over an 8 week period during May and June .  This would perhaps run on local derby's such as Trillick/Dromore, Clonoe/Coalisland, Carrickmore/Errigal, Omagh/Killyclogher, Pomeroy/Galbally, Strabane/Urney.

I attended the Rahillys V Carrickmore which was a mid week fixture and an excellent game of football played in front of a decent crowd with lots of neutrals in attendance.  If these fixture dates were set in stone at the beginning of the year it would give players the chance to organise work etc and allow avid followers of club football to get their football fix during the week.  Also a possibility of good gates for hosting clubs.
I think this is a really good idea, as long as club are given good notice of when their midweek game is likely to be.
These games are likely to get good neutral attendances as well.
Even if it was only done over 4 weeks in the summer, with two fixtures on at different side of the county .
so for example this year in senior

Mid week round 1- Trillick V Dromore ,Killyclogher v Omagh
Midweek round 2- Carrickmore v Greencastle, Kildress v Strabane
Midweek round 3  Augher V Errigal, Ardboe V Edendork
Midweek round 4  Coalisland v Clonoe,  Eglish V Galbally

(i Know some of these aren't derbies, but you get the idea)

Intermediate & Junior could then do similar on different weeks to allow for referees
The midweek fixtures don't need to be stand alone fixtures, they could be a more regular feature.
At the start of each season assign the 16 clubs into regional groups of 4 within reasonable distance of each other.
E.g for 2016. Dromore, Trillick, Omagh & Strabane
Killyclogher, Carrickmore, Greencastle, Kildress
Errigal, Augher, Galbally, Eglish
Edendork, Clonoe, Coalisland Ardboe

These groups could be used to define 3 sets of midweek features to be played on 3 Wednesdays (Senior) / Thursdays (reserves) in June and July.
That means we have only another 12 league games to be scheduled.

They would also need a bit of a shake up each year based on promotion relegation. E.g for 2017
Dromore, Trillick, Omagh & Killyclogher,
Carrickmore, Greencastle, Pomeroy Galbally,
Augher, Errigal, Donaghmore & Dungannon
Edendork, Clonoe, Coalisland Ardboe