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Title: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 04, 2016, 04:52:06 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/brian-cody-laughs-off-ger-loughnane-s-view-of-functional-kilkenny-1.2633587

Brian Cody lets a smile half-flicker as the name Ger Loughnane is tossed into the conversation. He knew it would come, he knew it must come. We’re in the Pearse Museum in Rathfarnham to launch the Leinster championships, 100 years to the day since the leader of the Rising was executed.

Since then, if you can fathom it, Cody has taken part in 29 championship campaigns as either a player or manager. It will take more than a few words of mischief from Mr Functional Beyond Belief to get Cody ducking and weaving.

“Well I just know how I take Ger – he’s a gas man!” Cody says. “And I enjoy Ger, and I know Ger a long time. And he’ll say whatever . . . he might just throw anything out there just for the sake of throwing it out. Also, he maybe believes what he says as well, and that’s his opinion.

Starting point
“It’s a good starting point for any team to be functional, I’d say. And if you ever lose that attribute, you’ll become dysfunctional very, very quickly. Look, I’d have not the slightest concern about what Ger said – at all.”
It’s our first time getting an audience with Cody since Loughnane’s bit of merriment on the GAA website a few weeks back so we try to pin him on it. Did he think that in a backhand kind of way, his old college friend might have been paying Kilkenny a compliment?

“Well, you see, I don’t know what he means by it. And again, if we were to concern ourselves with what all the various people say about us, you’d be working overtime trying to figure out why did he say this or who does he think he is?

“We just concentrate on what we’re doing, and that’s it. Ger knows that, and it’s for his fellow pundits and the media and everybody else to discuss the merits or the demerits of what he says . . .

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“Look, Ger is a very enjoyable fella. We’ll have a chat about it sometime, maybe he’ll tell me exactly how he thinks. But I wouldn’t think he ever tells anyone what he really thinks, anyway.”

Cody was in Thurles on Sunday for the league final, watching two teams that set themselves up to cancel each other out. It’s always a fool’s errand broaching this sort of thing with Cody – his default setting is to colour himself bemused, as though he were a philistine made to tag along to an outing in the Louvre.

Very tactical
“It was a game that was very tactical . . What I feel about both teams; both are terrifically skilful teams. They both have skilful players on the field; I think there were brilliant hurlers out there all the time. I suppose they cancel each other out to a large degree as well and there was a lot of traffic in the middle area of the field . .
“But look, that’s the way the game went and next Sunday will be interesting. Will they come up with the same thing again? Will they try something different? Both sets of management teams do think a lot about the way they play and that and it’s going to be very interesting to see what they do.

“That’s the prerogative for everybody in charge of each team; to come up with whatever way you want to play the game and it’s going to be very interesting to see what happens.”

And as for TJ Reid’s suggestion that Kilkenny might need a sweeper come summer?

“I must have a chat with TJ to see what he has in his mind there for that,” smiles Cody. “He’s a shrewd tactician I’d say alright.”
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 04, 2016, 07:09:05 PM
It's funny.
They invented the modern swamp defence with half  forwards dropping back to cover half backs, who then cover the full back line.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on May 05, 2016, 10:54:20 AM
It's funny.
They invented the modern swamp defence with half  forwards dropping back to cover half backs, who then cover the full back line.

Exactly,
  Kilkenny developed the swamp defence and the spare are tackle, now they're talking nonsense when Waterford and Clare take it a step further.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 06, 2016, 12:07:38 PM
Cody does savage put downs

“I must have a chat with TJ to see what he has in his mind there for that,” smiles Cody. “He’s a shrewd tactician I’d say alright.”
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 09, 2016, 01:38:21 PM
In an interview after the 2009 All-Ireland triumph against Tipperary, which made Kilkenny the first county in 65 years to record a four-in-a-row, Cody was asked – entirely reasonably – by RTÉ’s Marty Morrissey for his views on the controversial late penalty that had turned the match.

The Kilkenny manager replied that you’d be busy if you decided to readjudicate all of the frees in a match. There followed: “Did you think yourself it was a penalty, Marty?”
“I wasn’t too sure but it did seem a little bit dodgy in the replay.”
“I have no idea, Marty. Did you check all the other frees as well to see were they dodgy? [Uneasy laughter] Maybe you should. Maybe you should.”

“What did you think of the referee overall; do you think he allowed a lot to go?
“Marty, please, give me a break. The referee – we’re supposed to say nothing about referees and I make a habit of saying absolutely nothing about referees. Diarmuid Kirwan, I’m certain in my head was going out to be the very best he possibly could be. You seem to have had a problem with him. You tell me.”
What we can deduce from this is some striking double standards. When a controversial decision has benefited Kilkenny, Cody rigorously opts to say “absolutely nothing” about the referee beyond that he went out “to be the very best he possibly could be”.
When however the controversial call – and for the purposes of the argument I’m saying nothing about the merits of either refereeing decision – adversely affects Kilkenny, it’s alright to launch a swingeing public attack on the match official.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on May 09, 2016, 01:57:49 PM
In an interview after the 2009 All-Ireland triumph against Tipperary, which made Kilkenny the first county in 65 years to record a four-in-a-row, Cody was asked – entirely reasonably – by RTÉ’s Marty Morrissey for his views on the controversial late penalty that had turned the match.

The Kilkenny manager replied that you’d be busy if you decided to readjudicate all of the frees in a match. There followed: “Did you think yourself it was a penalty, Marty?”
“I wasn’t too sure but it did seem a little bit dodgy in the replay.”
“I have no idea, Marty. Did you check all the other frees as well to see were they dodgy? [Uneasy laughter] Maybe you should. Maybe you should.”

“What did you think of the referee overall; do you think he allowed a lot to go?
“Marty, please, give me a break. The referee – we’re supposed to say nothing about referees and I make a habit of saying absolutely nothing about referees. Diarmuid Kirwan, I’m certain in my head was going out to be the very best he possibly could be. You seem to have had a problem with him. You tell me.”
What we can deduce from this is some striking double standards. When a controversial decision has benefited Kilkenny, Cody rigorously opts to say “absolutely nothing” about the referee beyond that he went out “to be the very best he possibly could be”.
When however the controversial call – and for the purposes of the argument I’m saying nothing about the merits of either refereeing decision – adversely affects Kilkenny, it’s alright to launch a swingeing public attack on the match official.

Kilkenny are getting cuter though, their main PR man, Eddie Keher (sometimes DJ or Eddie Brennan) will be wheeled out with a soundbite at the rules or referees who may decree that some of the things Kilkenny get up to are fouls and we'll get the manly angle, let the game flow and so forth, provided someone doesn't go out and best them at that, not for a while yet it may be added!
Barry Kelly is deemed unfriendly to KK, whereas Brian Gavin is their go to man!

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 09, 2016, 02:34:50 PM
In an interview after the 2009 All-Ireland triumph against Tipperary, which made Kilkenny the first county in 65 years to record a four-in-a-row, Cody was asked – entirely reasonably – by RTÉ’s Marty Morrissey for his views on the controversial late penalty that had turned the match.

The Kilkenny manager replied that you’d be busy if you decided to readjudicate all of the frees in a match. There followed: “Did you think yourself it was a penalty, Marty?”
“I wasn’t too sure but it did seem a little bit dodgy in the replay.”
“I have no idea, Marty. Did you check all the other frees as well to see were they dodgy? [Uneasy laughter] Maybe you should. Maybe you should.”

“What did you think of the referee overall; do you think he allowed a lot to go?
“Marty, please, give me a break. The referee – we’re supposed to say nothing about referees and I make a habit of saying absolutely nothing about referees. Diarmuid Kirwan, I’m certain in my head was going out to be the very best he possibly could be. You seem to have had a problem with him. You tell me.”
What we can deduce from this is some striking double standards. When a controversial decision has benefited Kilkenny, Cody rigorously opts to say “absolutely nothing” about the referee beyond that he went out “to be the very best he possibly could be”.
When however the controversial call – and for the purposes of the argument I’m saying nothing about the merits of either refereeing decision – adversely affects Kilkenny, it’s alright to launch a swingeing public attack on the match official.

Kilkenny are getting cuter though, their main PR man, Eddie Keher (sometimes DJ or Eddie Brennan) will be wheeled out with a soundbite at the rules or referees who may decree that some of the things Kilkenny get up to are fouls and we'll get the manly angle, let the game flow and so forth, provided someone doesn't go out and best them at that, not for a while yet it may be added!
Barry Kelly is deemed unfriendly to KK, whereas Brian Gavin is their go to man!
They don't like James McGrath either
He implements the rules too vigorously
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: shark on May 09, 2016, 03:11:17 PM
In an interview after the 2009 All-Ireland triumph against Tipperary, which made Kilkenny the first county in 65 years to record a four-in-a-row, Cody was asked – entirely reasonably – by RTÉ’s Marty Morrissey for his views on the controversial late penalty that had turned the match.

The Kilkenny manager replied that you’d be busy if you decided to readjudicate all of the frees in a match. There followed: “Did you think yourself it was a penalty, Marty?”
“I wasn’t too sure but it did seem a little bit dodgy in the replay.”
“I have no idea, Marty. Did you check all the other frees as well to see were they dodgy? [Uneasy laughter] Maybe you should. Maybe you should.”

“What did you think of the referee overall; do you think he allowed a lot to go?
“Marty, please, give me a break. The referee – we’re supposed to say nothing about referees and I make a habit of saying absolutely nothing about referees. Diarmuid Kirwan, I’m certain in my head was going out to be the very best he possibly could be. You seem to have had a problem with him. You tell me.”
What we can deduce from this is some striking double standards. When a controversial decision has benefited Kilkenny, Cody rigorously opts to say “absolutely nothing” about the referee beyond that he went out “to be the very best he possibly could be”.
When however the controversial call – and for the purposes of the argument I’m saying nothing about the merits of either refereeing decision – adversely affects Kilkenny, it’s alright to launch a swingeing public attack on the match official.

Kilkenny are getting cuter though, their main PR man, Eddie Keher (sometimes DJ or Eddie Brennan) will be wheeled out with a soundbite at the rules or referees who may decree that some of the things Kilkenny get up to are fouls and we'll get the manly angle, let the game flow and so forth, provided someone doesn't go out and best them at that, not for a while yet it may be added!
Barry Kelly is deemed unfriendly to KK, whereas Brian Gavin is their go to man!
They don't like James McGrath either
He implements the rules too vigorously

And with Kelly and McGrath come the snide remarks about them not being from a "hurling county". And that's not just from Kilkenny.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2016, 07:32:59 AM
The Irish Times - Saturday, September 29, 2012\
The night Dougal belted out the Rose in Dungannon\

 John Hoyne and James Ryall were freewheeling spirits who enjoyed their view from the back seats as Brian Cody drove Kilkenny to glory, writes PM O'SULLIVAN

JAMES RYALL is a natural born storyteller and one of his best involves the time John Hoyne and himself got waylaid by Ulster hospitality in Dungannon.
It was January 2003, the Saturday before the Walsh Cup final against Dublin in Parnell Park. It was Ryall’s first start as a Kilkenny senior. Brian Cody had signed off on the trip, instructing them to make the Burlington Hotel for Sunday noon.

Strikingly reminiscent of Spud Murphy, Ewen Bremner’s character in Trainspotting (1996), Ryall snorts as he recalls how his comrade had “only a banger of a car at the time”. Bald front tyres were replaced and the two of them, tight friends as well as Graigue-Ballycallan clubmen, headed away.
Up grand and they spun through some drills in the afternoon. Afterwards they were to present medals to youngsters, the usual story, and it stayed standard when Ryall, pulling off his boots, turned to Hoyne and cocked an eye.

Reply came phlegmatic, Dougal to a tee: “We were never going to come up here and not have a few pints”.The nickname hopped courtesy of the Father Ted character. Hoyne, before the bar, has a genius repertoire of gags, mimicry and oneliners and is, as they say, a panic. I have been in his company on such an evening and I wish it could be printed, because Dougal is savage goodnatured. But it cannot, because John Hoyne is a rifle.

That Tyrone night, the same pair ended up in a hall dropped from the sky in the middle of nowhere. The medals were presented.People started lashing down drink in front of them, the Kilkenny lads good enough to come up the day before they had to play Dublin.
Pints, shorts, vodka and Red Bull, all the shades of alcohols rainbow.
Through the warm blur at the counter, the mid-Ulster accents shouting and carousing, after the hours softened at the edges and started making for the centre, Ryall turned at the sound of an odd accent in the throes of song.

Dougal was up on stage, letting loose The Rose of Mooncoin.
“It must have been three or four o’clock in the morning,” Ryall says. “And we didn’t head off any time soon either . . .”
Eventually they were deposited in a guesthouse as night crept away.
Ryall, wildly ambitious, set his mobile for eight o’clock. Next thing Hoyne was sticking his head in the door and telling him take a look: ‘eleven o’clock!’.

They jumped, heads sticky, realising they would have to ring their manager and come some way clean.
Then James Ryall remembered the purchase.
Out on the road, John Hoyne rang Brian Cody and told him their front tyres had been slashed, Free State registration and all that. Phenomenal hard to get a garage open on a Sunday morning up here. Burlington is out.

Okay, said Cody, nothing like as severe in private as his public image suggests and probably undeceived in any case. Head straight to Parnell Park. ‘Be as quick as ye can’.They belted down at a ferocious slant and closed in on Donnycarney.“Not a scrap to eat,” Ryall laughs, shaking his head. “Just a bottle of Lucozade between us.”
He makes it cinematic, pure point of view:

“We came in heads down, naturally enough. All you could see was a row of Kilkenny socks, togged out.”
They got sat, conscious of knowing looks along the wall, got stripped fair quick.
Cody was over to Ryall with his jersey, telling him ‘you have it now and you should keep it’ and James Ryall was rummaging in his kitbag, getting as frantic as he ever gets, which is not frantic at all. Then it dawned. Taking off his boots while sussing Dougal’s intentions, he had missed on landing them into the bag and now would have to get them from the car.
Kid Adrenalin took over. He sprinted back, barely, to line out. How did it go? “I hurled well,” replies Ryall, still a bit in wonder at that version of himself. “I was substituted near the end, but I must have done enough, because I held my place that year.”

Getting out on the field did not solve John Hoyne’s headache. Cónal Keaney immediately creased him with a shoulder. “Never forgot it,” Hoyne says. Then his distinctive twisted grin: “Just after the throw in. I was on the ground, he had me on the ground and I was looking up at him. I was fecked. And I was saying, to myself, looking up: ‘If you only knew the hardship Ive gone through to get to this match’ . . .”

Stock notions of a robotic Kilkenny panel conceal the beauty of nuance. Personality-wise, the grouping has always been a mosaic rather than a wall of emulsion. Cody has long been canny about dynamics, a believer in personalities who leaven the mix.

Sure enough, Hoyne and Ryall were back-of-the-bus merchants, never taking themselves too seriously, never enthusiasts for gym work. They could self-deprecate for Ireland.
Ryall remarks of the draw with Clare in 2004: “A bit of a tennis affair, up and down. I was the free man the first day but not for the replay! They were on about the supply of ball . . .”
John Hoyne hangs candid about 2004’s cusp status:
“After 2003, Brian Cody had a schoolroom of a panel. (Charlie) Carter and(Brian) McEvoy were gone. The manager had won three All-Irelands.
“He had total control of the situation, the foundation of everything he achieved since. And you can only get that control, in Kilkenny, through winning.”
The moral of the Dungannon story is slanted but clear, a measure of indiscipline bespeaking iron focus from sliver start.
There was never anything but total respect for management. James Ryall’s open, alert face is a key to turn. He is testing me out, whether I can see beyond the superficial hint of controversy.
2004 chimes with 2012, as Ryall summarises:
“The way you get caught out, and the way Kilkenny got caught out against Wexford in ’04, is that it’s hard to get yourself right for every game.
“Everyone was worrying Dublin were coming with a woeful drive. There was big fear in Portlaoise. And then Kilkenny annihilated them. Then the whole county: ‘Ah, they’ll win the Leinster Final . . .’ You’d never be shut off from that as a player. A big performance nearly always means a lull.”
Tony Wall wrote in Hurling[ (1965), his still fresh monograph on the most beautiful game:
“The high ball into the full-forward line from centre field or half forward is practically useless”.
John Hoyne’s conversation is dotted with references to the many GAA books he has read but he has no need to consult Wall. This emphasis is part of his hurling DNA, one he tried to pass on via a six-year stint with the juveniles of Graigue-Ballycallan.
Back in the early 2000s, there was a lazy view of him as a Didier Deschamps figure, a mere hewer of ash. I never agreed. Even now, his recollections are flecked with frustration about an absolute “win your own ball” philosophy, a disregard of finesse about deliveries forward.
“Dougal would be messing and the big gallery,” Noel Hickey once said to me. “Then wed go into a team meeting, and start talking hurling, and he’d be the smartest of us all.”
“My own form was never consistent enough to be complaining about anything,” Hoyne says, not quite grinning this time. Although retired by the time Cha Fitzpatrick became a midfielder, he loved him: “Cha isn’t just low ball in the ordinary way. He was able to lob it in, a low lob, if you like, into a space.”
Hoyne rounds out matters: “Tommy Walsh crossing the ball to Henry Shefflin against Tipp last year probably wasn’t a training ground drill. Can’t say for certain, now I’m gone, but that’s what I’d think.
“Cody might have picked Shefflin at 12 for a particular reason, that he might win more ball in one spot. But it wouldn’t have been ‘feed Henry, feed Henry, feed Henry’.
“Tommy comes and he’s sweeping the ball that way, and Henry’s winning it. So it’s more a case: ‘Give him another one, give him another one. You go with the flow on the day. Cody lets us at it. And the flow comes alive on the day.”
Hoyne instances the Cork puck out in the first half of the 2004 All-Ireland final:
“Cody hardly spoke beforehand about Cusack’s puck outs, did he?” Ryall nods. “But everyone knew,” Hoyne continues. “We’d all watched the Munster championship, wing forwards coming out and all that.
“We knew what to do: block it out, stand up tall. Nothing went through in the first half. But the wides killed us . . .”
Ryall picks it up: “Beforehand, it’s not a matter of Cody saying: ‘This is how the game is going to go’. There’s no big science behind it.
“Theres no massive science with Kilkenny. And maybe that was what was half lacking the last day against Galway . . .”
Hoyne cuts in: “It was the difference between the first half against Tipp last year and the draw. With Tipp, it was six positions and six positions: six pairs, like an Under 14 match, everyone in their exact position. Against Tipp, all the Kilkenny forwards were on the ball early, Eoin Larkin nearly in for a goal . . . So Anthony Cunningham did his homework.
“When Kilkenny play six-on-six, you’d say: ‘Maybe hit the ball in this way or that way’. But, with Galway now, it’s hard to have a method for the forwards.”
They are alike firm on how use of possession must improve for the replay.
Hoyne notes: “There was a lot of silly stuff going on around the half-back line: on the swivel and boom, up in the air. Eoin Larkin was crippled. He had his own man and a man in front of him, waiting for the breaking ball.
“The same with Colin Fennelly, the one Johnny Coen caught behind him . . . walloped up in the air. Colin needs ball in front of him.”
Ryall offers the yang of a defender’s perspective:
“An awful lot of the Kilkenny clearances the last day came from around the 21-yard line. What was drilled into me was to try and clear from high up the field. Work it out to between half-back and midfield, if you can.
“Or make sure youre intercepting in the right place. Look at Tommy (Walsh) last September: he’s nearly out in midfield when he’s crossing those balls to Henry.”
Hoyne adds: “I think the two managers’ heads must be wrecked with tactics . . . Kilkenny probably have more to worry about, because Galway know the Kilkenny backs will mark, man on man.”
Ryall spools back to sport’s foundation: talents lunge into genius. “I wonder would Galway have the balls to go out and play a proper XV,” he asks. “Play Joe Canning full forward and leave him there for the hour.
“Look at the football: Michael Murphy, like. Started full forward and won the game for Donegal. Say what you like but his goal was pure brilliance. Then (Jim) McGuinness took him out of it . . .
“The second goal was pure luck. Came off the upright and yer man missed the drop. If Donegal hadn’t got that second goal, Mayo could have won that All-Ireland with Michael Murphy off out the field, after he did such damage in there off the first ball . . . It’s hard to mark pure brilliance.”
It is getting late and we have talked ourselves out. Sunday awaits, the skirl of tactics and talent.
John Hoyne offers one last grin:
“Make sure you say I was an awful loss when I retired, that we’d have won the five-in-a-row, not just the four-in-a-row, if I’d stayed on after ’05 . . .!”
James Ryall looks over, smiles and sings dumb.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2016, 09:06:46 AM
2014
When Cody took over as Kilkenny boss , Kerry had won 31 All-Irelands to the Cats’ 25. The Kingdom were out on their own. Now, it is possible that Kilkenny could become the most successful GAA county in the history of the association in a mere three seasons’ time. You can bet they have their eye on that. And the most ominous statistics concerning Kerry and Kilkenny are not the titles they won. Kerry have also finished runners-up on 21 All-Ireland final days and Kilkenny on 25. Just imagine how many they might have won by now.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: theskull1 on May 10, 2016, 08:34:47 PM
Id be pretty sure Cody is just interested in putting one foot in front of the other (so to speak) and seeing where it takes them. What manager would ever set meaningless goals as "becoming the most successful GAA county in the history of the association"?....pulllleeeasse  ::)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2016, 09:49:45 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/kilkenny-have-produced-the-only-meaningful-hurling-revolution-1.1951475

At around 7pm last Saturday evening, Tipperary manager Eamonn O’Shea gave one of the great Irish sporting valedictories. They should stick it on the Leaving Certificate course but the printed word could never do it justice; you need to hear the words as they were spoken.

He was composed but it was plain that the emotion of the match and the crushing disappointment was still flooding through his veins. He spoke with moving honesty about the team and his players as people, rationalising defeat even as he absorbed its pain and daring to admit the one thing that he couldn’t admit during the season: that for him, the game of hurling exists on a slightly higher plane than the mere result.
“I do think that there are more important things and there are men down there who . . . didn’t flinch when things didn’t go their way and yet the team kept going. That is my understanding of sport. But when Tipp play now, we keep playing until it is no longer possible.”

Kilkenny manager Brian Cody’s pointed criticism of the referee in the drawn final has drawn much negative publicity for the timing as much as anything. Cody was invited to comment in the press room immediately after the drawn match and held his counsel. It may have been that his conviction of the injustice of that late free hardened when he went home to watch the replay. Sport is all about perspective and Cody’s is intrinsically hard-wired to protect the interests of Kilkenny hurling.
Should he, in the interests of decorum and all that, have kept his counsel on Monday? Probably. But could he, in his own mind, do that? Clearly not.
It takes some nerve to win the Walsh Cup, the National League, the Leinster and All-Ireland Championship and then emerge from the victory banquet filled with a sense of grievance.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 10, 2016, 10:21:21 PM



http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/cody-puts-referee-kelly-and-former-kilkenny-greats-in-his-crosshairs-289094.html

BC: “We had injuries during the year as well but stuff evens itself out. I suppose last year we were coming off winning a couple of All-Irelands previous to that and drawn one as well. We actually won the league last year. We won the league without ever flowing, we weren’t flowing, weren’t playing like we’re capable of playing. We were stuck in a gear that we never got out of. Our genuineness, our spirit, got us over the line against Tipperary. We had a massive game against Waterford and a massive game in Thurles as well. The fundamentals were spot on, the spirit and genuineness, they were there and they have always been there. The spark never ignited. This year we were absolutely certain even though, you know, our spirit was questioned in the last couple of weeks. I’m glad it was. It’s good. It was rubbish. It was in the newspapers by some of our own geniuses as well.”
Q: Within Kilkenny?
BC: “Yeah, by former greats or so-called greats, so-called greats, yeah [repeats under his breath] and they felt that there might be a bit of disharmony in the camp because they wanted to pick the team. We do what we like with the team, because we pick the team, we are in charge. And to question our spirit is rubbish.
......
Also, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, [repeated] they were handed an opportunity [by referee Barry Kelly] with the last puck of the game the last day in the wrong to win the game. You are nodding your head now, so you agree. They were handed an opportunity by a complete wrong decision. We didn’t speak about it the last day but it was criminal what was done the last day. And people can say that I am whingeing and moaning all they like but I am telling the truth here.”


Q: Did you think it was a free the other way?


BC: “If he had said ‘play on’ I would have said fair enough. I could say maybe it might have been a free for us. If the ball broke and they put it over the bar fair enough but you don’t hand a team a free puck and say, ‘lads, there you go’. It was like that.”


Q: Would you consider he has previous with Kilkenny after Jackie Tyrrell free in 2012 final and Henry Shefflin’s red card last year?


BC: “Of course he has. Of course he has. Now you have your story! Keep it simple lads now right
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 13, 2016, 11:23:18 PM
the media has been full of Kilkenny men lamenting the recent 'tactics' of Clare and Waterford

Richie Hogan
Henry Sheflin
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Roashter on May 16, 2016, 09:31:20 AM
You can add in Eddie Brennan to that list manfromdelmonte
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Premier Emperor on May 16, 2016, 12:49:23 PM
The Kilkenny PR machine gets bigger every year!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 16, 2016, 10:03:31 PM
Eddie Keher!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: muppet on May 16, 2016, 10:21:05 PM
There is no way Kilkenny should benefit from any serious football match.

I can understand the Laois manager's frustration but considering the way the Kilkenny CB views football it is a crazy decision:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0515/788609-flynn-dubs-date-in-nowlan-park-makes-no-sense/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/0515/788609-flynn-dubs-date-in-nowlan-park-makes-no-sense/)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 17, 2016, 07:10:10 AM
A big financial loss for the town of Portlaoise.  The politics of Leinster football and Kilkenny must be Byzantine.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2016, 08:27:19 AM
the ideal game to have had in Kilkenny this weekend was Kildare v Wexford!!

Henry is on about other leinster counties again

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/henry-shefflin-throws-down-the-gauntlet-to-dublin-and-wexford-1.2649789 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/henry-shefflin-throws-down-the-gauntlet-to-dublin-and-wexford-1.2649789)

He still hasn't mentioned the round robin series in Leinster in his four columns this year
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 19, 2016, 08:20:53 AM
I love Kilkenny's stickwork but their media work and the dirt  sicken me . Cody is a great manager but he is clearly disturbed.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on May 19, 2016, 09:31:22 AM
I love Kilkenny's stickwork but their media work and the dirt  sicken me . Cody is a great manager but he is clearly disturbed.

WTF? That's a fairly serious statement to make. A better word might be 'driven'. Or are all successful and intense managers (Ferguson, Mourinho, Harte, et al.) 'disturbed'?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 19, 2016, 09:36:49 AM
I love Kilkenny's stickwork but their media work and the dirt  sicken me . Cody is a great manager but he is clearly disturbed.

WTF? That's a fairly serious statement to make. A better word might be 'driven'. Or are all successful and intense managers (Ferguson, Mourinho, Harte, et al.) 'disturbed'?

Fergie was disturbed as well AZ. So is Mourinho. Anyone who resorts to bullying or thuggish behavior is disturbed as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2016, 06:42:06 AM
“Since [Brian] Cody took over, ourselves and Cork are the only teams that have beaten them three times in championship. Tipp have only beaten them once.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/galway-s-david-burke-refuses-to-buy-into-notion-of-kilkenny-invincibility-1.2719582

“We had them kind of rattled [in the Leinster final] and I thought they were kind of panicking a bit. They brought on Richie Hogan, who’s a serious lad to bring on, and he kind of got them out of a small bit of a hole after half-time.

“They seemed to find that little bit more. I don’t know how they do it. They turn it over quickly and get fast ball in then and you’re kind of caught.

“With Kilkenny, it’s their ability to get in last-second tackles and not giving you a second at even picking the ball up off the ground. It’s their ability to keep the ball in them kind of ruck situations. There’s no real tactics, it’s just their work rate is way better.”
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on July 15, 2016, 08:35:20 AM
“Since [Brian] Cody took over, ourselves and Cork are the only teams that have beaten them three times in championship. Tipp have only beaten them once.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/galway-s-david-burke-refuses-to-buy-into-notion-of-kilkenny-invincibility-1.2719582

“We had them kind of rattled [in the Leinster final] and I thought they were kind of panicking a bit. They brought on Richie Hogan, who’s a serious lad to bring on, and he kind of got them out of a small bit of a hole after half-time.

“They seemed to find that little bit more. I don’t know how they do it. They turn it over quickly and get fast ball in then and you’re kind of caught.

“With Kilkenny, it’s their ability to get in last-second tackles and not giving you a second at even picking the ball up off the ground. It’s their ability to keep the ball in them kind of ruck situations. There’s no real tactics, it’s just their work rate is way better.”

I wonder if there's any stats out there on Kilkenny and how many rucks they win possession or retain possession in. They're fantastic at it.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 15, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
“Since [Brian] Cody took over, ourselves and Cork are the only teams that have beaten them three times in championship. Tipp have only beaten them once.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/galway-s-david-burke-refuses-to-buy-into-notion-of-kilkenny-invincibility-1.2719582

“We had them kind of rattled [in the Leinster final] and I thought they were kind of panicking a bit. They brought on Richie Hogan, who’s a serious lad to bring on, and he kind of got them out of a small bit of a hole after half-time.

“They seemed to find that little bit more. I don’t know how they do it. They turn it over quickly and get fast ball in then and you’re kind of caught.

“With Kilkenny, it’s their ability to get in last-second tackles and not giving you a second at even picking the ball up off the ground. It’s their ability to keep the ball in them kind of ruck situations. There’s no real tactics, it’s just their work rate is way better.”

I wonder if there's any stats out there on Kilkenny and how many rucks they win possession or retain possession in. They're fantastic at it.

They win ball and off load it once in the rucks, they always have a outlet running off the ruck to either handpass or scoop out to... this isn't luck that this happens, they do it, I'd imagine, in training drill or game plays back at Nowlan Park
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on July 15, 2016, 05:12:09 PM
It's no coincidence that Cody brought in a football man to help with that sort of body contact stuff.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2016, 06:30:45 PM
I think there are only 2 ways to beat them

Higher intensity levels with stickwork to match theirs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb52kJeCzoA

Get the goals before 15 mins into the second half to break them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k38XD4dYMY

They can reel back 7 points but they can't reel back 10 points with the momentum and the clock against them

The cat body language at the end of the 2010 match is what you want
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Owenmoresider on August 23, 2016, 11:32:11 PM
Brian Gavin reffing the final it appears. Interestingly I seen a comment on another forum that Barry Kelly hasn't been given any of the last 10 KK games since the 2014 drawn final, a curious fact if it's correct, being one of the leading referees in the country.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: orangeman on August 24, 2016, 12:30:21 AM
Brian Gavin reffing the final it appears. Interestingly I seen a comment on another forum that Barry Kelly hasn't been given any of the last 10 KK games since the 2014 drawn final, a curious fact if it's correct, being one of the leading referees in the country.

Brian will be relieved that wee Tommy Walsh is retired and won't get the poke in the nose.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on August 24, 2016, 10:28:59 AM
Two point advantage to KK before they start.   ;)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 24, 2016, 08:44:58 PM
Two point advantage to KK before they start.   ;)

How he keeps up with play is beyond me... (career suicide quote  ;D )
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 24, 2016, 10:33:29 PM
Brian Gavin reffing the final it appears. Interestingly I seen a comment on another forum that Barry Kelly hasn't been given any of the last 10 KK games since the 2014 drawn final, a curious fact if it's correct, being one of the leading referees in the country.
Cody gave out, those on high listened
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: ashman on August 24, 2016, 10:50:41 PM
A good conspiracy theory is great lads and well frankly it keeps the Internet going but is there any proof . 

Great Gavin has the game .  He will let the game flow .  If you want tipy tappy shit , easy Frees and diving watch soccerball .
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Bord na Mona man on August 25, 2016, 02:23:29 PM
A good conspiracy theory is great lads and well frankly it keeps the Internet going but is there any proof . 

Great Gavin has the game .  He will let the game flow .  If you want tipy tappy shit , easy Frees and diving watch soccerball .
I have a hunch he won't be swallowing the whistle and letting them flake each other for 75 minutes to the same degree as has happened in previous finals.
Not such a huge advantage to Kilkenny I reckon.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on August 25, 2016, 02:31:38 PM
Two point advantage to KK before they start.   ;)

How he keeps up with play is beyond me... (career suicide quote  ;D )

The man is a machine at the stamina running, don't you know?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: keep her low this half on August 28, 2016, 10:19:37 PM
No Michael Fennelly for the final, huge loss for the Cats. Sooner or later someone has to beat them, could be Tipp this year.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 29, 2016, 10:01:24 AM
It's all down to when Tipp have that period in the match were they cool off!! Every time they play they allow the opposition to close the gap !

Also I can't see Hogan and Reid having a bad game like they did in first Match v Waterford...

If Tipp keep the intensity up the whole game then they should win, if not the cats should win by four
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: macdanger2 on August 30, 2016, 10:31:01 PM
Great piece on off the ball about the 1916 hurling final. Interesting mention about the Laois hurlers of 1912-1915 as well
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on August 31, 2016, 10:26:18 AM
I heard the clip about them (the Tipp hurlers) walking to the GPO and saying a decade of the rosary before going out to Jones' Road.

Semi related, and don't know if it was mentioned, but there is a tradition that Tipp followers and County Board still do to this day, every time they reach an AI Senior Hurling Final. A couple of thousand of them, at least, gather on Talbot Street, where Sean Treacy was shot. The chairman of the Tipp County Board normally gives a little speech, and then someone reads the proclamation. Then everyone sings 'Tipperary so far away' and Amhrán na bhFiann.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eJ-qV-6JFo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eJ-qV-6JFo)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 31, 2016, 12:20:31 PM
Looking forward to it, got tickets sorted handy enough, name was pulled out of the hat for club tickets and I got one from the draw for the referees allocation .. heading down on the Sat, used to take in the sevens but its lost its appeal now.. so its hit the pubs early instead!!

Other tickets may become available (I'd put out feelers with other sources)  before Sunday so if anyone is looking a ticket, you can PM me if the come up
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on September 01, 2016, 01:28:35 PM
Our club is in a fairly unusual predicament on Sunday. We have two young lads in the minor final. However, 1 plays for Tipperary, and 1 plays for Limerick. Must be a very rare occurrence in an All Ireland I'd imagine. The only other thing I could think of is where culchies play in Dublin and might end up playing the Dubs in a final.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on September 01, 2016, 01:49:49 PM
This is the 6th K/T final since 09
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on September 01, 2016, 01:51:13 PM
This is the 6th K/T final since 09

You're a great man for the short sentences.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on September 01, 2016, 04:06:23 PM
Our club is in a fairly unusual predicament on Sunday. We have two young lads in the minor final. However, 1 plays for Tipperary, and 1 plays for Limerick. Must be a very rare occurrence in an All Ireland I'd imagine. The only other thing I could think of is where culchies play in Dublin and might end up playing the Dubs in a final.

How so?

Is your club not affiliated to Tipp?

How can the other lad play for Limerick?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on September 01, 2016, 04:08:53 PM
We're in Tipp, we're right on the border. He used to play with us when he was u6 through to u16, then his family moved to Limerick. He played with a club in Limerick for a couple of years, and then moved back to Newport and transferred back to us. But he didn't put in for an inter county transfer when he came back to us.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: ashman on September 01, 2016, 04:17:14 PM
Similar happened in 2007 minors .  Two lads from Doon club lined out for Lk and Tipp in a game .  I think the Tipp lad was a sub .  Doon parish has a small sliver of land in Tipp .

Happens a bit in Ballydeamond on Cork / Kerry border too .  Parish play in cork but a bit in Kerry .   

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on September 01, 2016, 04:27:06 PM
Similar happened in 2007 minors .  Two lads from Doon club lined out for Lk and Tipp in a game .  I think the Tipp lad was a sub .  Doon parish has a small sliver of land in Tipp .

Happens a bit in Ballydeamond on Cork / Kerry border too .  Parish play in cork but a bit in Kerry .

I remember a Munster Junior final where two lads from Ballydesmond were marking each other. But I'm still thinking an All Ireland final must be rare. They play midfield together for the club :)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: macdanger2 on September 01, 2016, 11:46:55 PM
This is the 6th K/T final since 09

Apparently KK's 16th final in the last 19
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 04, 2016, 03:24:33 PM
Henry praising the semi final referees for letting the game flow

Or, allowing players get away with a lot of stuff
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on December 01, 2016, 12:36:43 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/does-he-think-he-is-indispensable-to-kilkenny-ger-loughnane-on-why-brian-cody-should-have-walked-away-35256585.html

Over the past 18 years, Cody has led the Cats to 11 All-Ireland titles, 15 Leinster crowns and has won the National League on eight occasions.
Loughnane argues that Cody should have resigned this year to give his predecessor something to build with for the future.
He also says that Cody was right to retain his backroom team but he should not have kept hold of the reins.
"Who would he get that that would be better than  Mick Dempsey, Derek Lyng and James McGarry? No, he was right to retain his backroom team.
"The mistake is in staying on himself.
""Not only is he the greatest hurling manager of all time, but you could make a strong case for Cody being the greatest hurling personality of all.
"Does he now think that he's indispensable to Kilkenny, that he owns the job?"
Loughnane claims the quartet of Richie Hogan, TJ Reid, Paul Murphy and Michael Fennelly are getting on and without them, the person charged with replacing Cody would not have a chance.
"This is the mistake the other two great long-serving managers in the GAA, Mick O'Dwyer and Sean Boylan, made at the tail-end of their careers.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: longballin on December 01, 2016, 12:44:38 PM
Bit early to say that about Cody as he got to this year's final and won last year... not like a few years going nowhere. Mickey Harte looks like he'll hang on forever though.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Bord na Mona man on December 01, 2016, 01:04:39 PM
It all depends what motivates Cody. If he wanted to preserve his legacy, then now would be the optimum time to walk. He obviously thinks he's the best man rebuild the team, even though the material coming through isn't what it used to be.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on December 01, 2016, 02:28:36 PM
It all depends what motivates Cody. If he wanted to preserve his legacy, then now would be the optimum time to walk. He obviously thinks he's the best man rebuild the team, even though the material coming through isn't what it used to be.

I think Gerlock is right. Knowing when to go is very hard. Fergie couldn't do it either
Thankfully Galway have never had that problem ;) 
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: theskull1 on December 02, 2016, 12:43:58 PM
Jackie Tyrell on twitter

"The most underrated & selfless player @11larky with unbelievable skills, the retirement home is filling up nicely now, be some over 40s team"

Who TF ever underrated Eoin Larkin?  :o
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: orangeman on December 02, 2016, 12:49:12 PM
Eoin Larkin retires: 'I am content to walk away knowing I gave everything I could'

" It was always my dream from a young age to play, captain and win an All-Ireland with Kilkenny and I’m proud and happy to say I lived my dream. I am content to walk away now knowing I gave everything I could for myself but also the team every time I walked out on the training pitch or pulled on a Kilkenny jersey and left no stone unturned in the pursuit of perfection, although I never got close. I’ve played with and against some of the best players of all time and had the privilege of working with the best manager of all time for those years.

"Doing what I loved doing for twelve years didn’t seem like a sacrifice but although they never said anything I know for a fact my family sacrificed a massive amount for me to fulfil my dream."



Says it all really.


Eoin was part of an all conquering team. A class act.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on February 20, 2017, 09:42:30 AM
This is heartbreaking

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/comment-can-brian-cody-rebuild-his-crumbling-empire-35464411.html
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Bord na Mona man on February 20, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
Early days, but Cody has an uphill struggle to squeeze success out of the current crop.
The last couple of All Irelands he won were helped by the chasing pack being in various states of disorganisation.
Tipp and Waterford definitely have their houses in better order now and Clare might get back up near the summit this year.

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on February 20, 2017, 11:15:16 AM
Early days, but Cody has an uphill struggle to squeeze success out of the current crop.
The last couple of All Irelands he won were helped by the chasing pack being in various states of disorganisation.
Tipp and Waterford definitely have their houses in better order now and Clare might get back up near the summit this year.
Like all great teams the cats had a psychological hold over teams that hadn't won in a while, especially in the last 10 minutes. Cody had his own version of Fergie time. But it's very hard to keep the show going when a really great team runs out of time . 11 all Irelands is outrageous.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north aontroim gael on February 20, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
Early days, but Cody has an uphill struggle to squeeze success out of the current crop.
The last couple of All Irelands he won were helped by the chasing pack being in various states of disorganisation.
Tipp and Waterford definitely have their houses in better order now and Clare might get back up near the summit this year.
Like all great teams the cats had a psychological hold over teams that hadn't won in a while, especially in the last 10 minutes. Cody had his own version of Fergie time. But it's very hard to keep the show going when a really great team runs out of time . 11 all Irelands is outrageous.

Cody is a large part of the success laden years Kilkenny had but he was also fortunate to have players like JJ Delaney, Henry Shefflin, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Noel Hickey, Richie Power, Eddie Brennan etc. The first three named are, in my opinion, among the best hurlers we will ever see play the game.

So yes Brian Cody is a genius but he was helped enormously by a true golden era of talent in the KK ranks. They don't have that depth of talent now so it will be interesting to see how they fare in the next 3-5 years.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Avondhu star on February 20, 2017, 12:39:13 PM
Eoin Larkin retires: 'I am content to walk away knowing I gave everything I could'

" It was always my dream from a young age to play, captain and win an All-Ireland with Kilkenny and I’m proud and happy to say I lived my dream. I am content to walk away now knowing I gave everything I could for myself but also the team every time I walked out on the training pitch or pulled on a Kilkenny jersey and left no stone unturned in the pursuit of perfection, although I never got close. I’ve played with and against some of the best players of all time and had the privilege of working with the best manager of all time for those years.

"Doing what I loved doing for twelve years didn’t seem like a sacrifice but although they never said anything I know for a fact my family sacrificed a massive amount for me to fulfil my dream."



Says it all really.


Eoin was part of an all conquering team. A class act.

"A class act" maybe on the pitch but he was quick to stick the knife in to Kilkenny after the defeat yesterday. Thats not the Kilkenny way. As a Corkman I know what can happen when former players turn Turk. Brian Cody doesnt owe anyone anything and he will fix Kilkenny in his own good time ( thats if they need fixing after losing two league games)
You dont see Shefflin JJ Delaney or Jackie Tyrell laying into Kilkenny.

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Ash Smoker on February 20, 2017, 01:03:29 PM

Eoin Larkin retires: 'I am content to walk away knowing I gave everything I could'

" It was always my dream from a young age to play, captain and win an All-Ireland with Kilkenny and I’m proud and happy to say I lived my dream. I am content to walk away now knowing I gave everything I could for myself but also the team every time I walked out on the training pitch or pulled on a Kilkenny jersey and left no stone unturned in the pursuit of perfection, although I never got close. I’ve played with and against some of the best players of all time and had the privilege of working with the best manager of all time for those years.

"Doing what I loved doing for twelve years didn’t seem like a sacrifice but although they never said anything I know for a fact my family sacrificed a massive amount for me to fulfil my dream."



Says it all really.


Eoin was part of an all conquering team. A class act.

"A class act" maybe on the pitch but he was quick to stick the knife in to Kilkenny after the defeat yesterday. Thats not the Kilkenny way. As a Corkman I know what can happen when former players turn Turk. Brian Cody doesnt owe anyone anything and he will fix Kilkenny in his own good time ( thats if they need fixing after losing two league games)
You dont see Shefflin JJ Delaney or Jackie Tyrell laying into Kilkenny.

I agree, it's easy for former players to start taking pot shots when their own playing legacy has been set in stone.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on February 20, 2017, 02:02:01 PM
Early days, but Cody has an uphill struggle to squeeze success out of the current crop.
The last couple of All Irelands he won were helped by the chasing pack being in various states of disorganisation.
Tipp and Waterford definitely have their houses in better order now and Clare might get back up near the summit this year.
Like all great teams the cats had a psychological hold over teams that hadn't won in a while, especially in the last 10 minutes. Cody had his own version of Fergie time. But it's very hard to keep the show going when a really great team runs out of time . 11 all Irelands is outrageous.

Cody is a large part of the success laden years Kilkenny had but he was also fortunate to have players like JJ Delaney, Henry Shefflin, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Noel Hickey, Richie Power, Eddie Brennan etc. The first three named are, in my opinion, among the best hurlers we will ever see play the game.

So yes Brian Cody is a genius but he was helped enormously by a true golden era of talent in the KK ranks. They don't have that depth of talent now so it will be interesting to see how they fare in the next 3-5 years.

You gotta remember that these lads were going through underage setups when the Kilkenny seniors were no big shakes and there seems to be a ferocious hunger that drove them on to be the hurlers they turned out to be.

You don't see that hunger in the new crop, no hardy leaders to take the battle to the opposition when things are tough.

The Fennellys will make a bit of a difference, but there's a lot of questions to be asked of the replacements and it remains to be seen if they're up for it come summer time.

All the same its been great to see such a team and individuals in their pomp.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Avondhu star on February 28, 2017, 07:38:41 PM
Early days, but Cody has an uphill struggle to squeeze success out of the current crop.
The last couple of All Irelands he won were helped by the chasing pack being in various states of disorganisation.
Tipp and Waterford definitely have their houses in better order now and Clare might get back up near the summit this year.
Like all great teams the cats had a psychological hold over teams that hadn't won in a while, especially in the last 10 minutes. Cody had his own version of Fergie time. But it's very hard to keep the show going when a really great team runs out of time . 11 all Irelands is outrageous.

Cody is a large part of the success laden years Kilkenny had but he was also fortunate to have players like JJ Delaney, Henry Shefflin, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Noel Hickey, Richie Power, Eddie Brennan etc. The first three named are, in my opinion, among the best hurlers we will ever see play the game.

So yes Brian Cody is a genius but he was helped enormously by a true golden era of talent in the KK ranks. They don't have that depth of talent now so it will be interesting to see how they fare in the next 3-5 years.

You gotta remember that these lads were going through underage setups when the Kilkenny seniors were no big shakes and there seems to be a ferocious hunger that drove them on to be the hurlers they turned out to be.

You don't see that hunger in the new crop, no hardy leaders to take the battle to the opposition when things are tough.

The Fennellys will make a bit of a difference, but there's a lot of questions to be asked of the replacements and it remains to be seen if they're up for it come summer time.

All the same its been great to see such a team and individuals in their pomp.

I noticed in the All Ireland last year when Tipp began to turn the screw that Cody looked at the bench for a while and then turned away so much as to say"theres not much there to help me"
It would be a lot to expect a county to be turning out the likes of Shefflin Brennan Walsh Tyrell yeat in year out. The class player will hold his place for a number of years and this can discourage players on the extended panel or those outside the panel who cant see how to break through.
It happened in Kerry after 1986 and as a result Meath Cork and the Ulster boys got in there and were a match for Kerry
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on February 28, 2017, 07:43:10 PM
Early days, but Cody has an uphill struggle to squeeze success out of the current crop.
The last couple of All Irelands he won were helped by the chasing pack being in various states of disorganisation.
Tipp and Waterford definitely have their houses in better order now and Clare might get back up near the summit this year.
Like all great teams the cats had a psychological hold over teams that hadn't won in a while, especially in the last 10 minutes. Cody had his own version of Fergie time. But it's very hard to keep the show going when a really great team runs out of time . 11 all Irelands is outrageous.

Cody is a large part of the success laden years Kilkenny had but he was also fortunate to have players like JJ Delaney, Henry Shefflin, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Noel Hickey, Richie Power, Eddie Brennan etc. The first three named are, in my opinion, among the best hurlers we will ever see play the game.

So yes Brian Cody is a genius but he was helped enormously by a true golden era of talent in the KK ranks. They don't have that depth of talent now so it will be interesting to see how they fare in the next 3-5 years.

You gotta remember that these lads were going through underage setups when the Kilkenny seniors were no big shakes and there seems to be a ferocious hunger that drove them on to be the hurlers they turned out to be.

You don't see that hunger in the new crop, no hardy leaders to take the battle to the opposition when things are tough.

The Fennellys will make a bit of a difference, but there's a lot of questions to be asked of the replacements and it remains to be seen if they're up for it come summer time.

All the same its been great to see such a team and individuals in their pomp.
It has but they could have wound it up around 2007
When they win in September now it is so banal.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 01, 2017, 07:51:39 PM
Early days, but Cody has an uphill struggle to squeeze success out of the current crop.
The last couple of All Irelands he won were helped by the chasing pack being in various states of disorganisation.
Tipp and Waterford definitely have their houses in better order now and Clare might get back up near the summit this year.
Like all great teams the cats had a psychological hold over teams that hadn't won in a while, especially in the last 10 minutes. Cody had his own version of Fergie time. But it's very hard to keep the show going when a really great team runs out of time . 11 all Irelands is outrageous.

Cody is a large part of the success laden years Kilkenny had but he was also fortunate to have players like JJ Delaney, Henry Shefflin, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Noel Hickey, Richie Power, Eddie Brennan etc. The first three named are, in my opinion, among the best hurlers we will ever see play the game.

So yes Brian Cody is a genius but he was helped enormously by a true golden era of talent in the KK ranks. They don't have that depth of talent now so it will be interesting to see how they fare in the next 3-5 years.

You gotta remember that these lads were going through underage setups when the Kilkenny seniors were no big shakes and there seems to be a ferocious hunger that drove them on to be the hurlers they turned out to be.

You don't see that hunger in the new crop, no hardy leaders to take the battle to the opposition when things are tough.

The Fennellys will make a bit of a difference, but there's a lot of questions to be asked of the replacements and it remains to be seen if they're up for it come summer time.

All the same its been great to see such a team and individuals in their pomp.
It has but they could have wound it up around 2007
When they win in September now it is so banal.
don't worry, soon they'll be winning in August
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 05, 2017, 03:38:05 PM
Cork were so bad today, Kilkenny didn't need to play well.
Power hurling alive and well.
Run straight into your opponent and take 7/8 steps
They did put together some nice interchanges of passes

Cork were clueless. 
Stick work and shooting was terrible. 
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Avondhu star on March 05, 2017, 04:21:40 PM
Cork were so bad today, Kilkenny didn't need to play well.
Power hurling alive and well.
Run straight into your opponent and take 7/8 steps
They did put together some nice interchanges of passes

Cork were clueless. 
Stick work and shooting was terrible.

Poor stick work, running straight in to trouble when in possession, no idea of passing or finding a loose man.
Murphy always a good bet for a yellow or red
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 05, 2017, 08:23:14 PM
Fennelly made the difference for Kilkenny today created more opportunities for goals (which again didn't happen) won a lot of balls and his running game and lay offs where the good to see from a Kilkenny perspective... yes there is a lot mistakes still but then a lot of teams this time of year are doing that...

Not contenders at this stage, but certainly after the last couple games a vast improvement, people saying how poor Cork were but I was impressed with a few of their players and how they found their men with neat short build up play, not fit enough for me at minute and they don't have a good enough panel
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on March 07, 2017, 11:46:44 AM
Fennelly made the difference for Kilkenny today created more opportunities for goals (which again didn't happen) won a lot of balls and his running game and lay offs where the good to see from a Kilkenny perspective... yes there is a lot mistakes still but then a lot of teams this time of year are doing that...

Not contenders at this stage, but certainly after the last couple games a vast improvement, people saying how poor Cork were but I was impressed with a few of their players and how they found their men with neat short build up play, not fit enough for me at minute and they don't have a good enough panel

Cork have a decent set of forwards in Lehane, Horgan and Cadogan, but can't defend for toffee individually or collectively and will concede big numbers come championship.

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 11, 2017, 08:37:21 PM
Some effort by Kilkenny tonight !!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: orangeman on March 11, 2017, 11:35:22 PM
Incredible entertainment. A draw a fair result. Some of the score taking by both teams, Tipp in particular was breathtaking.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: MoChara on March 12, 2017, 09:38:41 AM
I found it strange that the commentators were talking before the match about Tipp as this unstoppable Juggarnaut, only last year everyone was talking saying it about Kilkenny, I thought it a little premature for that chat regarding Tipp, Kilkenny had well earned it over seasons.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 12, 2017, 10:08:56 AM
that game will bring on Tipp more than Kilkenny

they had been coasting through their other games
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Bud Wiser on March 12, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
That passage of hurling that went on for about six minutes will be a good memory for many who had the privilege to be in Semple last night.   
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 12, 2017, 03:29:12 PM
That passage of hurling that went on for about six minutes will be a good memory for many who had the privilege to be in Semple last night.

I was listening to the commentary on the radio!! Those lads aren't biased at all!!! He was going on about the Tipp crowd not shouting Tipp Tipp Tipp!!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Bud Wiser on March 14, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
I was watching it on Eir and after the first 10 minutes I was going to ring Jackie Tyrell and ask him if he were around Semple would he drop in for an hour.  All came right in the end, great game.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on March 14, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
I was watching it on Eir and after the first 10 minutes I was going to ring Jackie Tyrell and ask him if he were around Semple would he drop in for an hour.  All came right in the end, great game.

He was talking a lot of sense the other night, must be frustratingly annoying to sit and watch those games for the likes of him and Henry, and the rest
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2017, 03:30:43 PM
Watched the Tipp/KK league game last night...cracking stuff.  The ref played a good role in letting them at it - play with intensity but without malice.

League hurling is reaping the rewards of improved playing surfaces...or is the weather that good this past while?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on March 16, 2017, 03:56:05 PM
Watched the Tipp/KK league game last night...cracking stuff.  The ref played a good role in letting them at it - play with intensity but without malice.

League hurling is reaping the rewards of improved playing surfaces...or is the weather that good this past while?

League hurling is reaping the rewards of intense league structures where every game matters and yet the dickheads want to go and change it.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on March 16, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Watched the Tipp/KK league game last night...cracking stuff.  The ref played a good role in letting them at it - play with intensity but without malice.

League hurling is reaping the rewards of improved playing surfaces...or is the weather that good this past while?

League hurling is reaping the rewards of intense league structures where every game matters and yet the d**kheads want to go and change it.

Is there a proposal to change the league???? Jaysus this was one of the great success stories I thought?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 16, 2017, 05:13:53 PM
Watched the Tipp/KK league game last night...cracking stuff.  The ref played a good role in letting them at it - play with intensity but without malice.

League hurling is reaping the rewards of improved playing surfaces...or is the weather that good this past while?

League hurling is reaping the rewards of intense league structures where every game matters and yet the d**kheads want to go and change it.

Is there a proposal to change the league???? Jaysus this was one of the great success stories I thought?
Limerick are never happy with the league format
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Ball Hopper on March 16, 2017, 05:37:10 PM
Watched the Tipp/KK league game last night...cracking stuff.  The ref played a good role in letting them at it - play with intensity but without malice.

League hurling is reaping the rewards of improved playing surfaces...or is the weather that good this past while?

League hurling is reaping the rewards of intense league structures where every game matters and yet the d**kheads want to go and change it.

Is there a proposal to change the league???? Jaysus this was one of the great success stories I thought?
Limerick are never happy with the league format

Only 5 hurling league games makes every game important...and proper order.  The football wisdom is that Cavan and Roscommon were doomed from the beginning and it looks that way, add in the fact they meet each other in Rd 7 will give us the ultimate dead-rubber if results go against both between here and then.

Hard to say who will be in the relegation playoff from the hurling, even after 4 games, although Dublin look to be worst off. The loser of Clare/Waterford would seem to be most likely to playoff with Dublin at this stage.  Of course, if Dublin manage to beat KK in Parnell Park, everything will change drastically.


Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 18, 2017, 09:40:31 AM
Watched the Tipp/KK league game last night...cracking stuff.  The ref played a good role in letting them at it - play with intensity but without malice.

League hurling is reaping the rewards of improved playing surfaces...or is the weather that good this past while?

League hurling is reaping the rewards of intense league structures where every game matters and yet the d**kheads want to go and change it.

Is there a proposal to change the league???? Jaysus this was one of the great success stories I thought?
Limerick are never happy with the league format

Only 5 hurling league games makes every game important...and proper order.  The football wisdom is that Cavan and Roscommon were doomed from the beginning and it looks that way, add in the fact they meet each other in Rd 7 will give us the ultimate dead-rubber if results go against both between here and then.

Hard to say who will be in the relegation playoff from the hurling, even after 4 games, although Dublin look to be worst off. The loser of Clare/Waterford would seem to be most likely to playoff with Dublin at this stage.  Of course, if Dublin manage to beat KK in Parnell Park, everything will change drastically.
Five divisions in football would certainly make things interesting
the knockout part of the hurling league gives teams a few extra games
Wexford will probably end up vs Kilkenny, who i'd say they were hoping to avoid
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 03, 2017, 11:20:03 AM
Interesting look back on players from last 50 years of Kilkenny hurling: http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/gaelic-games/253010/dj-crowned-top-cat.html

Got to say, for me, they got number one wrong, should've gone to the King.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 03, 2017, 01:15:28 PM
Interesting look back on players from last 50 years of Kilkenny hurling: http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/gaelic-games/253010/dj-crowned-top-cat.html

Got to say, for me, they got number one wrong, should've gone to the King.
was at a coaching thing recently with DJ
he can still move better than most club players
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 03, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
Interesting look back on players from last 50 years of Kilkenny hurling: http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/gaelic-games/253010/dj-crowned-top-cat.html

Got to say, for me, they got number one wrong, should've gone to the King.
was at a coaching thing recently with DJ
he can still move better than most club players

Anyone as special as he was will always have that. Even Charlie Carter scored 1-5 in a Junior A match the other night, and hr would be categorised as good rather than great. Doesn't change my opinion on Henry though.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 10, 2017, 08:18:26 PM
Colon Fennelly is allowed take as many steps as he wants, apparently
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on June 10, 2017, 08:27:06 PM
Colon Fennelly is allowed take as many steps as he wants, apparently

In fairness, every time he gets it they are throwing a saddle on him.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on June 10, 2017, 08:38:38 PM
It really is over
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 10, 2017, 10:05:00 PM
couldn't believe how bad Richie Hogan was. He is usually the heartbeat of that team
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 11, 2017, 12:09:40 AM
couldn't believe how bad Richie Hogan was. He is usually the heartbeat of that team

It's been a good two years since Hogan was anywhere near being the heartbeat of the Kilkenny team. He's been less than useless since 2015.

What surprised me was how weak Kilkenny are physically. They got bullied tonight. Cody's teams were always so strong that Kilkenny fans relished a team going physical against them. Tonight, a good few times during the league and in the All Ireland last year Kilkenny were made to look like little boys trying to be men.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: stew on June 11, 2017, 10:17:04 AM
couldn't believe how bad Richie Hogan was. He is usually the heartbeat of that team

It's been a good two years since Hogan was anywhere near being the heartbeat of the Kilkenny team. He's been less than useless since 2015.

What surprised me was how weak Kilkenny are physically. They got bullied tonight. Cody's teams were always so strong that Kilkenny fans relished a team going physical against them. Tonight, a good few times during the league and in the All Ireland last year Kilkenny were made to look like little boys trying to be men.

Great to see the hoors struggle, their fans in the states were a shower of entitled arrogant hoors.

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 11, 2017, 10:56:21 AM
couldn't believe how bad Richie Hogan was. He is usually the heartbeat of that team

It's been a good two years since Hogan was anywhere near being the heartbeat of the Kilkenny team. He's been less than useless since 2015.

What surprised me was how weak Kilkenny are physically. They got bullied tonight. Cody's teams were always so strong that Kilkenny fans relished a team going physical against them. Tonight, a good few times during the league and in the All Ireland last year Kilkenny were made to look like little boys trying to be men.

Great to see the hoors struggle, their fans in the states were a shower of entitled arrogant hoors.

Would they be the fans who never go to matches? Well done on drawing stupid conclusions from your experiences with them.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: From the Bunker on June 11, 2017, 11:56:17 AM
couldn't believe how bad Richie Hogan was. He is usually the heartbeat of that team

It's been a good two years since Hogan was anywhere near being the heartbeat of the Kilkenny team. He's been less than useless since 2015.

What surprised me was how weak Kilkenny are physically. They got bullied tonight. Cody's teams were always so strong that Kilkenny fans relished a team going physical against them. Tonight, a good few times during the league and in the All Ireland last year Kilkenny were made to look like little boys trying to be men.

Great to see the hoors struggle, their fans in the states were a shower of entitled arrogant hoors.

Would they be the fans who never go to matches? Well done on drawing stupid conclusions from your experiences with them.

With success comes arrogance and entitlement. That is a fact of life. Can happen to any set of fans! You might just experience it some time.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 11, 2017, 01:05:53 PM
couldn't believe how bad Richie Hogan was. He is usually the heartbeat of that team

It's been a good two years since Hogan was anywhere near being the heartbeat of the Kilkenny team. He's been less than useless since 2015.

What surprised me was how weak Kilkenny are physically. They got bullied tonight. Cody's teams were always so strong that Kilkenny fans relished a team going physical against them. Tonight, a good few times during the league and in the All Ireland last year Kilkenny were made to look like little boys trying to be men.

Great to see the hoors struggle, their fans in the states were a shower of entitled arrogant hoors.

Would they be the fans who never go to matches? Well done on drawing stupid conclusions from your experiences with them.

With success comes arrogance and entitlement. That is a fact of life. Can happen to any set of fans! You might just experience it some time.

He's from Armagh so I doubt it...
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Bord na Mona man on June 12, 2017, 09:45:02 AM
Leinster hurling at its finest.
It might be too easy to dismiss Davy Fitz as the loony jumping around in some hidden box, but he has done a hell of a job in Wexford. I didn't think he'd get to do a number on Kilkenny twice in the one year. Put it another way, if Liam Dunne was in charge, his primary objective would have been to send Kilkenny home with splinters and actually winning the game might have been given scant consideration.

It shows how much the landscape has changed, a few years Kilkenny would have given Wexford a spanking with a bit of extra sauce on the side having lost to them in the league.

Pity the Sunday Game highlights were so scant that's it was hard to read how the game played out in the closing stages. Lee Chin's acrobatic catch and score immediately after the 3rd Kilkenny goal was only shown in the analysis, yet it was a huge moment by anyone's reading of the game.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on June 12, 2017, 10:43:21 AM
I'm mildly surprised rather than being shocked. I think when Davy joined Wexford I said he was a good fit for them, as Wexford (like Limerick who he would also be great for) can only really compete when they are operating at a manic level. Saturday was that, because they won almost every ground battle and ruck. Davy brings that, and plays on that. The problem for Davy is that whatever he is going to do, he has to do in year one or year two, because come the end of year two, his approach becomes wearisome, and lads get tired of operating like that.

They'll not be an easy match for anyone this year. It's a great championship already.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on June 12, 2017, 11:21:30 AM
Leinster hurling at its finest.
It might be too easy to dismiss Davy Fitz as the loony jumping around in some hidden box, but he has done a hell of a job in Wexford. I didn't think he'd get to do a number on Kilkenny twice in the one year. Put it another way, if Liam Dunne was in charge, his primary objective would have been to send Kilkenny home with splinters and actually winning the game might have been given scant consideration.

It shows how much the landscape has changed, a few years Kilkenny would have given Wexford a spanking with a bit of extra sauce on the side having lost to them in the league.

Pity the Sunday Game highlights were so scant that's it was hard to read how the game played out in the closing stages. Lee Chin's acrobatic catch and score immediately after the 3rd Kilkenny goal was only shown in the analysis, yet it was a huge moment by anyone's reading of the game.

The very short highlights reel took away from the excitement, from the missed frees from McDonald to the various opportunities missed by Kilkenny, Bolgers in particular, but there were a few other moves that fell down for KK as well which would have had a telling effect if they'd put one away. Never mind the quality, feel the excitement.
Wexford played the better hurling, but there's plenty of room for improvement and they'll need to against the winners of Galway and the Biffos' (hard not to see it being Galway). Galway won't be bullied the same way a lot of the Kilkenny lads were (whoever thought they'd see that said) and have a bit more pace about them in their defence to handle the spaces in Croke Park.

As for KK, a load of lads with hat-fulls of AI medals didn't turn up yesterday and Colin Fennelly (push in the back just before the penalty!!) and Buckley shoring up the defence were the only two to come out of it with pluses to their names.
TJ battled away but was well shackled, Paudraig and Walter didn't stand up to be counted and both got withdrawn, Hogan was poor, Paul Murphy seems to be struggling with the positional changes and maybe No2 has to be his lot until a bit of form comes his way. They badly need Michael Fennelly, probably at 6 to tighten the whole thing down but that may be the plaster covering a gaping wound for a few years until a No 6 and No 3 are found.

Tipp, Limerick and now KK in the backdoor, all the more incentives for Waterford and Cork this weekend to avoid that particular vipers nest for as long as possible..
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 12, 2017, 05:46:29 PM
Leinster hurling at its finest.
It might be too easy to dismiss Davy Fitz as the loony jumping around in some hidden box, but he has done a hell of a job in Wexford. I didn't think he'd get to do a number on Kilkenny twice in the one year. Put it another way, if Liam Dunne was in charge, his primary objective would have been to send Kilkenny home with splinters and actually winning the game might have been given scant consideration.

It shows how much the landscape has changed, a few years Kilkenny would have given Wexford a spanking with a bit of extra sauce on the side having lost to them in the league.

Pity the Sunday Game highlights were so scant that's it was hard to read how the game played out in the closing stages. Lee Chin's acrobatic catch and score immediately after the 3rd Kilkenny goal was only shown in the analysis, yet it was a huge moment by anyone's reading of the game.

The very short highlights reel took away from the excitement, from the missed frees from McDonald to the various opportunities missed by Kilkenny, Bolgers in particular, but there were a few other moves that fell down for KK as well which would have had a telling effect if they'd put one away. Never mind the quality, feel the excitement.
Wexford played the better hurling, but there's plenty of room for improvement and they'll need to against the winners of Galway and the Biffos' (hard not to see it being Galway). Galway won't be bullied the same way a lot of the Kilkenny lads were (whoever thought they'd see that said) and have a bit more pace about them in their defence to handle the spaces in Croke Park.

As for KK, a load of lads with hat-fulls of AI medals didn't turn up yesterday and Colin Fennelly (push in the back just before the penalty!!) and Buckley shoring up the defence were the only two to come out of it with pluses to their names.
TJ battled away but was well shackled, Paudraig and Walter didn't stand up to be counted and both got withdrawn, Hogan was poor, Paul Murphy seems to be struggling with the positional changes and maybe No2 has to be his lot until a bit of form comes his way. They badly need Michael Fennelly, probably at 6 to tighten the whole thing down but that may be the plaster covering a gaping wound for a few years until a No 6 and No 3 are found.

Tipp, Limerick and now KK in the backdoor, all the more incentives for Waterford and Cork this weekend to avoid that particular vipers nest for as long as possible..

In fairness, putting Padraig Walsh in the forwards was a terrible tactical choice and when you consider the calibre of the manager who made that decision it was lunacy. Full back is the most important position on the field and to train a lad all year to play number 3 only to throw him up front when it counts most was wreckless bordering on stupid. Throwing on a sub goalie, who yes hurls outfield for the Shamrocks but in the half back line, compounded that original mistake. Not taking anything away from Brian Cody, who I believe to be the best manager the GAA has ever seen, but he hasn't been the same since Martin Fogarty left. A strong man needs another strong man to bounce off and I just don't think the staff Cody has now have the same level of courage Fogarty has to say "hang on a second Brian, that's crazy" when needed.

That said, we simply don't have the players anymore. Five to ten years ago the bulk of the starting fifteen wouldn't have got anywhere near the panel. I think Cody has made a huge mistake staying on because there's absolutely nothing to be got from most of our players now. I also think next year will be the correct time to make a break with a new manager. I don't believe for a second that Cody deserves anything less than to be able to carry on if he so wishes after all he has given but things are going to be hard anyway when he does go. Better to have the few bad years which are coming after he retires when there is nothing in the panel anyway than have somebody come in under all the pressure that following Cody is going to put on them when there is a panel which could go places.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on June 12, 2017, 05:54:35 PM
Without a FB and CHB any team would struggle.  It's mid June and the top 2 favourites and winners of 10 out of the last 11 are in the qualifiers. Hopefully they will draw each other.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on June 12, 2017, 08:52:50 PM
Apparently the only teams the cats have beaten this year are Cork and Dublin
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 12, 2017, 10:19:48 PM
Apparently the only teams the cats have beaten this year are Cork and Dublin

Lol, do you have a name for that chip on your shoulder?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 13, 2017, 10:27:12 AM
too many ex Kilkenny lads in the media telling the current players why they should be up for the battle
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 13, 2017, 03:21:33 PM
too many ex Kilkenny lads in the media telling the current players why they should be up for the battle

Always the way with any county that's enjoyed success. For the group of players you're noticing doing it now, there were the John Powers, Charlie Carters and Willie O'Dwyers saying it to them. The reason you didn't notice then was (a)not as much was expected of Kilkenny when they went through transition in 2004-5 and (b)the players saying it then didn't have All Irelands coming out of their ears.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Avondhu star on June 13, 2017, 06:35:26 PM
couldn't believe how bad Richie Hogan was. He is usually the heartbeat of that team

It's been a good two years since Hogan was anywhere near being the heartbeat of the Kilkenny team. He's been less than useless since 2015.

What surprised me was how weak Kilkenny are physically. They got bullied tonight. Cody's teams were always so strong that Kilkenny fans relished a team going physical against them. Tonight, a good few times during the league and in the All Ireland last year Kilkenny were made to look like little boys trying to be men.

Great to see the hoors struggle, their fans in the states were a shower of entitled arrogant hoors.
They had to widen the dressing room doors in Croke Park to cater for the big heads of the one hit wonders from Armagh
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on June 14, 2017, 08:08:02 AM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/power-stemcell-treatment-is-my-last-hurrah-35823585.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/power-stemcell-treatment-is-my-last-hurrah-35823585.html)

the 'power hurling' approach under Cody has clearly taken a toll on a lot of lad's bodies
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Avondhu star on June 14, 2017, 11:08:12 AM
Kilkenny are suffering from the same problem Kerry had after 86. They didn't introduce new blood too often during the successful years and lads on the extended panellist lost the edge. Walter Walsh Liam Blanchfield and a few others got chances
 It is very understandable of course because you would want to be very good to displace Tyrell Delaney Hogan etc.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2017, 04:44:08 PM
Kilkenny are suffering from the same problem Kerry had after 86. They didn't introduce new blood too often during the successful years and lads on the extended panellist lost the edge. Walter Walsh Liam Blanchfield and a few others got chances
 It is very understandable of course because you would want to be very good to displace Tyrell Delaney Hogan etc.

Surely that's what the Walsh cup is for and 30 mins in the odd home league match? Blooding players in the heat of championship isnt the place, maybe with 15 minutes to go should you be winning by a few... Kilkenny as you say have come to the point most successful teams come to, redevelopment and transition.... Might take 5/6 years, might take 2, one thing is for sure they will be back, as they have always done
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on June 14, 2017, 05:09:07 PM
In soccer there was Fergie time. Cody time is probably up. It is impossible to have continuity after a superstar team.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Avondhu star on June 14, 2017, 08:56:49 PM
Kilkenny are suffering from the same problem Kerry had after 86. They didn't introduce new blood too often during the successful years and lads on the extended panellist lost the edge. Walter Walsh Liam Blanchfield and a few others got chances
 It is very understandable of course because you would want to be very good to displace Tyrell Delaney Hogan etc.

Surely that's what the Walsh cup is for and 30 mins in the odd home league match? Blooding players in the heat of championship isnt the place, maybe with 15 minutes to go should you be winning by a few... Kilkenny as you say have come to the point most successful teams come to, redevelopment and transition.... Might take 5/6 years, might take 2, one thing is for sure they will be back, as they have always done

You might get away with running in a few in the Walsh Cup but the league is so tight now you couldnt risk losing a game because of fielding an understrenght team.  Of course they will be back. Theres no such thing as a bad Kilkenny team
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Avondhu star on June 14, 2017, 08:59:16 PM
In soccer there was Fergie time. Cody time is probably up. It is impossible to have continuity after a superstar team.
I would say that this year will finish him however it ends up. He has had a few health scares as well
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 14, 2017, 09:26:10 PM
Kilkenny are suffering from the same problem Kerry had after 86. They didn't introduce new blood too often during the successful years and lads on the extended panellist lost the edge. Walter Walsh Liam Blanchfield and a few others got chances
 It is very understandable of course because you would want to be very good to displace Tyrell Delaney Hogan etc.

Surely that's what the Walsh cup is for and 30 mins in the odd home league match? Blooding players in the heat of championship isnt the place, maybe with 15 minutes to go should you be winning by a few... Kilkenny as you say have come to the point most successful teams come to, redevelopment and transition.... Might take 5/6 years, might take 2, one thing is for sure they will be back, as they have always done

You might get away with running in a few in the Walsh Cup but the league is so tight now you couldnt risk losing a game because of fielding an understrenght team.  Of course they will be back. Theres no such thing as a bad Kilkenny team

I would say the best place for a team in transition is 1B. The top division is just too competitive for a team trying to bring players through. In 1B you need to be at your best in two games and in the others you can give experience to young lads without the fear of them taking a beating and having their confidence wrecked. Then you still have an opportunity to play the best teams in the knockout rounds. I honestly thought it would have done no harm to Kilkenny to go down this season and I think it would serve them next year if it happened. It would also be a far more comfortable environment for a new manager to come in.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on June 14, 2017, 09:32:19 PM
In soccer there was Fergie time. Cody time is probably up. It is impossible to have continuity after a superstar team.
I would say that this year will finish him however it ends up. He has had a few health scares as well
the greatest hurling manager ever.
All the journalists are afraid to ask him hurling questions. He knows everything
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 14, 2017, 10:52:13 PM
In soccer there was Fergie time. Cody time is probably up. It is impossible to have continuity after a superstar team.
I would say that this year will finish him however it ends up. He has had a few health scares as well
the greatest hurling manager ever.
All the journalists are afraid to ask him hurling questions. He knows everything

His record speaks for itself ! His club career alone he's more than Galway has amassed
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: mouview on June 16, 2017, 02:59:54 PM
In soccer there was Fergie time. Cody time is probably up. It is impossible to have continuity after a superstar team.
I would say that this year will finish him however it ends up. He has had a few health scares as well
the greatest hurling manager ever.
All the journalists are afraid to ask him hurling questions. He knows everything

His record speaks for itself ! His club career alone he's more than Galway has amassed

??
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
In soccer there was Fergie time. Cody time is probably up. It is impossible to have continuity after a superstar team.
I would say that this year will finish him however it ends up. He has had a few health scares as well
the greatest hurling manager ever.
All the journalists are afraid to ask him hurling questions. He knows everything

His record speaks for itself ! His club career alone he's more than Galway has amassed

??

I'm replying to Seafoid, I'm assuming he's giving off about Cody and his ability as a coach, Cody as a player managed to achieve 3 all Irelands as a player and 2 as a player for his club, not to mention his exploits as a manager.. Seafoids distain for Kilkenny and Cody is down to the fact that Galway (a team Ive always wanted to do well) have come up short on most occasions to The Cats... It's like people hatred of Ferguson at Utd and his success, childish

His record speakes for it's self.

Ive never known a journalist to be afraid to ask him hurling questions, for years he kept the gates open at Nowlan Park for training sessions... his tactic was simple back then, Cody has come up short recently because the personnell isnt the same, and playing players out of position is filling in cracks.. could be a while before they get to that standard (if ever) again
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on June 16, 2017, 04:38:34 PM
In soccer there was Fergie time. Cody time is probably up. It is impossible to have continuity after a superstar team.
I would say that this year will finish him however it ends up. He has had a few health scares as well
the greatest hurling manager ever.
All the journalists are afraid to ask him hurling questions. He knows everything

His record speaks for itself ! His club career alone he's more than Galway has amassed

??

I'm replying to Seafoid, I'm assuming he's giving off about Cody and his ability as a coach, Cody as a player managed to achieve 3 all Irelands as a player and 2 as a player for his club, not to mention his exploits as a manager.. Seafoids distain for Kilkenny and Cody is down to the fact that Galway (a team Ive always wanted to do well) have come up short on most occasions to The Cats... It's like people hatred of Ferguson at Utd and his success, childish

His record speakes for it's self.

Ive never known a journalist to be afraid to ask him hurling questions, for years he kept the gates open at Nowlan Park for training sessions... his tactic was simple back then, Cody has come up short recently because the personnell isnt the same, and playing players out of position is filling in cracks.. could be a while before they get to that standard (if ever) again

One of thé Irish Times journaliste admitted Codys hurling knowledge intimidated them. He is also à master of passive aggressive. Isnt that right Marty?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 16, 2017, 07:05:29 PM
But you are in agreement he's the best manager of the modern times? Regardless of his closed interviews he's always had a knack for winning
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 16, 2017, 07:12:15 PM
In soccer there was Fergie time. Cody time is probably up. It is impossible to have continuity after a superstar team.
I would say that this year will finish him however it ends up. He has had a few health scares as well
the greatest hurling manager ever.
All the journalists are afraid to ask him hurling questions. He knows everything

His record speaks for itself ! His club career alone he's more than Galway has amassed

??

I'm replying to Seafoid, I'm assuming he's giving off about Cody and his ability as a coach, Cody as a player managed to achieve 3 all Irelands as a player and 2 as a player for his club, not to mention his exploits as a manager.. Seafoids distain for Kilkenny and Cody is down to the fact that Galway (a team Ive always wanted to do well) have come up short on most occasions to The Cats... It's like people hatred of Ferguson at Utd and his success, childish

His record speakes for it's self.

Ive never known a journalist to be afraid to ask him hurling questions, for years he kept the gates open at Nowlan Park for training sessions... his tactic was simple back then, Cody has come up short recently because the personnell isnt the same, and playing players out of position is filling in cracks.. could be a while before they get to that standard (if ever) again

This.

And I'm also someone who has always had a soft spot for Galway.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: mouview on June 17, 2017, 12:43:44 AM
Hmmm.. Galway have given Cody more hardship more than most (and a tutorial in 2001) . Galway clubs have a decidedly good record v. KK ones in AI club c'ships.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 17, 2017, 11:20:10 AM
Hmmm.. Galway have given Cody more hardship more than most (and a tutorial in 2001) . Galway clubs have a decidedly good record v. KK ones in AI club c'ships.

Hardship yes but very few defeats and almost none in important matches.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on June 17, 2017, 05:47:43 PM
Hmmm.. Galway have given Cody more hardship more than most (and a tutorial in 2001) . Galway clubs have a decidedly good record v. KK ones in AI club c'ships.

Hardship yes but very few defeats and almost none in important matches.
I think 2005 hurt. The backlash in 2006 was brutal
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on June 17, 2017, 06:18:38 PM
Hmmm.. Galway have given Cody more hardship more than most (and a tutorial in 2001) . Galway clubs have a decidedly good record v. KK ones in AI club c'ships.

Hardship yes but very few defeats and almost none in important matches.
I think 2005 hurt. The backlash in 2006 was brutal

I said almost none, I did not say none.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 10, 2017, 08:42:23 PM
I expect Eddie Keher to be wheeled out any minute

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/asking-whether-brian-cody-should-end-kilkenny-reign-is-the-most-idiotic-question-of-all-time-35914836.html

I wonder what Marty thinks.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: sid waddell on July 10, 2017, 09:57:07 PM
I don't recall any of the Sunday Game pundits calling for Brian Cody to be banned from all GAA activity for at least 12 weeks for assaulting a linesman during Saturday night's match against Waterford.

Double standards, actually it's worse than double standards given that it was a far more serious incident than the incident which Diarmuid Connolly was banned for.

In the GAA you get banned because of who you are and escape a ban because of who you are.

It's pathetic.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 10, 2017, 10:08:48 PM
I expect Eddie Keher to be wheeled out any minute

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/asking-whether-brian-cody-should-end-kilkenny-reign-is-the-most-idiotic-question-of-all-time-35914836.html

I wonder what Marty thinks.

I think the article makes a lot of sense. Kilkenny are a long way off where they were but they haven't become a bad team overnight. I think tiredness had a lot to do with it and that they'll be better next year for having the break this one. I don't think the team is All Ireland material anymore but I'd be surprised not to see them being more competitive in twelve months.

That Cody should be allowed to stay is without question. After all the man has done for Kilkenny it would be ridiculous and unforgivable to shove him out. At the end of the day, the county board isn't going to do that so the decision will be, as ever, Brian's.

All the media is trying to do is sell content.

I don't recall any of the Sunday Game pundits calling for Brian Cody to be banned from all GAA activity for at least 12 weeks for assaulting a linesman during Saturday night's match against Waterford.

Double standards, actually it's worse than double standards given that it was a far more serious incident than the incident which Diarmuid Connolly was banned for.

In the GAA you get banned because of who you are and escape a ban because of who you are.

It's pathetic.

He should get a 24 week ban starting now!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 10, 2017, 10:37:43 PM
I expect Eddie Keher to be wheeled out any minute

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/asking-whether-brian-cody-should-end-kilkenny-reign-is-the-most-idiotic-question-of-all-time-35914836.html

I wonder what Marty thinks.

I think the article makes a lot of sense. Kilkenny are a long way off where they were but they haven't become a bad team overnight. I think tiredness had a lot to do with it and that they'll be better next year for having the break this one. I don't think the team is All Ireland material anymore but I'd be surprised not to see them being more competitive in twelve months.

That Cody should be allowed to stay is without question. After all the man has done for Kilkenny it would be ridiculous and unforgivable to shove him out. At the end of the day, the county board isn't going to do that so the decision will be, as ever, Brian's.

All the media is trying to do is sell content.

I don't recall any of the Sunday Game pundits calling for Brian Cody to be banned from all GAA activity for at least 12 weeks for assaulting a linesman during Saturday night's match against Waterford.

Double standards, actually it's worse than double standards given that it was a far more serious incident than the incident which Diarmuid Connolly was banned for.

In the GAA you get banned because of who you are and escape a ban because of who you are.

It's pathetic.

He should get a 24 week ban starting now!
They became a bad team over maybe 18 months.
The backs are not up to scratch.
Of course Cody should decide but the public has a short memory. Meath people thought getting rid of Boylan was the answer.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Asal Mor on July 10, 2017, 10:47:08 PM
Cody is very slow to bring in young players. It was fine for lads to serve long apprenticeships when kk were strong but they were crying out for some new blood on Saturday. Not being wise after the event but I thought leahy and cleere from the u21s should have started.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 10, 2017, 11:14:15 PM
I expect Eddie Keher to be wheeled out any minute

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/asking-whether-brian-cody-should-end-kilkenny-reign-is-the-most-idiotic-question-of-all-time-35914836.html

I wonder what Marty thinks.

I think the article makes a lot of sense. Kilkenny are a long way off where they were but they haven't become a bad team overnight. I think tiredness had a lot to do with it and that they'll be better next year for having the break this one. I don't think the team is All Ireland material anymore but I'd be surprised not to see them being more competitive in twelve months.

That Cody should be allowed to stay is without question. After all the man has done for Kilkenny it would be ridiculous and unforgivable to shove him out. At the end of the day, the county board isn't going to do that so the decision will be, as ever, Brian's.

All the media is trying to do is sell content.

I don't recall any of the Sunday Game pundits calling for Brian Cody to be banned from all GAA activity for at least 12 weeks for assaulting a linesman during Saturday night's match against Waterford.

Double standards, actually it's worse than double standards given that it was a far more serious incident than the incident which Diarmuid Connolly was banned for.

In the GAA you get banned because of who you are and escape a ban because of who you are.

It's pathetic.

He should get a 24 week ban starting now!
They became a bad team over maybe 18 months.
The backs are not up to scratch.
Of course Cody should decide but the public has a short memory. Meath people thought getting rid of Boylan was the answer.

They had a good league last year up until the semi, they won Leinster and got to the All Ireland. That's not the mark of a bad team. In my opinion, Cody's problem at the moment is he hasn't got anyone strong working with him. I get the feeling Cody is a little similar to Brian Clough. Cloughie always needed Peter Taylor with him to be able to work to the maximum of his ability. The staff Cody has now are all nice men but whether they have the strength to tell Brian when he's wrong is debatable. Martin Fogarty was far more key to Kilkenny than people realised and Cody needs either him back, doubtful given Fogarty's job now, or someone in his mould.

Cody is very slow to bring in young players. It was fine for lads to serve long apprenticeships when kk were strong but they were crying out for some new blood on Saturday. Not being wise after the event but I thought leahy and cleere from the u21s should have started.

One of the reasons why I think Cody needs stronger staff. I also wonder where's he's going in persisting in using Blanchfield who isn't up to it to be honest.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 11, 2017, 03:32:03 AM
Clough is a good example. It is very hard to rebuild when a great team fades. Cody doesn't have a Shefflin 2.0. Cloughie couldnt win the European Cup again after the second one. The achiement with the first Forest team was timeless.  But he couldn't repeat it.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on July 11, 2017, 08:51:51 AM
I expect Eddie Keher to be wheeled out any minute

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/asking-whether-brian-cody-should-end-kilkenny-reign-is-the-most-idiotic-question-of-all-time-35914836.html

I wonder what Marty thinks.

I think the article makes a lot of sense. Kilkenny are a long way off where they were but they haven't become a bad team overnight. I think tiredness had a lot to do with it and that they'll be better next year for having the break this one. I don't think the team is All Ireland material anymore but I'd be surprised not to see them being more competitive in twelve months.

That Cody should be allowed to stay is without question. After all the man has done for Kilkenny it would be ridiculous and unforgivable to shove him out. At the end of the day, the county board isn't going to do that so the decision will be, as ever, Brian's.

All the media is trying to do is sell content.

I don't recall any of the Sunday Game pundits calling for Brian Cody to be banned from all GAA activity for at least 12 weeks for assaulting a linesman during Saturday night's match against Waterford.

Double standards, actually it's worse than double standards given that it was a far more serious incident than the incident which Diarmuid Connolly was banned for.

In the GAA you get banned because of who you are and escape a ban because of who you are.

It's pathetic.

He should get a 24 week ban starting now!
They became a bad team over maybe 18 months.
The backs are not up to scratch.
Of course Cody should decide but the public has a short memory. Meath people thought getting rid of Boylan was the answer.

They had a good league last year up until the semi, they won Leinster and got to the All Ireland. That's not the mark of a bad team. In my opinion, Cody's problem at the moment is he hasn't got anyone strong working with him. I get the feeling Cody is a little similar to Brian Clough. Cloughie always needed Peter Taylor with him to be able to work to the maximum of his ability. The staff Cody has now are all nice men but whether they have the strength to tell Brian when he's wrong is debatable. Martin Fogarty was far more key to Kilkenny than people realised and Cody needs either him back, doubtful given Fogarty's job now, or someone in his mould.

Cody is very slow to bring in young players. It was fine for lads to serve long apprenticeships when kk were strong but they were crying out for some new blood on Saturday. Not being wise after the event but I thought leahy and cleere from the u21s should have started.

One of the reasons why I think Cody needs stronger staff. I also wonder where's he's going in persisting in using Blanchfield who isn't up to it to be honest.

What's the feelings on Noreside on Walter Walsh? I think he's a limited enough hurler, but gets a bye ball because of his size. He's been on the margins of any of the big games recently when KK needed leaders and he hasn't stood up.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 11, 2017, 10:03:44 AM
I expect Eddie Keher to be wheeled out any minute

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/asking-whether-brian-cody-should-end-kilkenny-reign-is-the-most-idiotic-question-of-all-time-35914836.html

I wonder what Marty thinks.

I think the article makes a lot of sense. Kilkenny are a long way off where they were but they haven't become a bad team overnight. I think tiredness had a lot to do with it and that they'll be better next year for having the break this one. I don't think the team is All Ireland material anymore but I'd be surprised not to see them being more competitive in twelve months.

That Cody should be allowed to stay is without question. After all the man has done for Kilkenny it would be ridiculous and unforgivable to shove him out. At the end of the day, the county board isn't going to do that so the decision will be, as ever, Brian's.

All the media is trying to do is sell content.

I don't recall any of the Sunday Game pundits calling for Brian Cody to be banned from all GAA activity for at least 12 weeks for assaulting a linesman during Saturday night's match against Waterford.

Double standards, actually it's worse than double standards given that it was a far more serious incident than the incident which Diarmuid Connolly was banned for.

In the GAA you get banned because of who you are and escape a ban because of who you are.

It's pathetic.

He should get a 24 week ban starting now!
They became a bad team over maybe 18 months.
The backs are not up to scratch.
Of course Cody should decide but the public has a short memory. Meath people thought getting rid of Boylan was the answer.

They had a good league last year up until the semi, they won Leinster and got to the All Ireland. That's not the mark of a bad team. In my opinion, Cody's problem at the moment is he hasn't got anyone strong working with him. I get the feeling Cody is a little similar to Brian Clough. Cloughie always needed Peter Taylor with him to be able to work to the maximum of his ability. The staff Cody has now are all nice men but whether they have the strength to tell Brian when he's wrong is debatable. Martin Fogarty was far more key to Kilkenny than people realised and Cody needs either him back, doubtful given Fogarty's job now, or someone in his mould.

Cody is very slow to bring in young players. It was fine for lads to serve long apprenticeships when kk were strong but they were crying out for some new blood on Saturday. Not being wise after the event but I thought leahy and cleere from the u21s should have started.

One of the reasons why I think Cody needs stronger staff. I also wonder where's he's going in persisting in using Blanchfield who isn't up to it to be honest.

What's the feelings on Noreside on Walter Walsh? I think he's a limited enough hurler, but gets a bye ball because of his size. He's been on the margins of any of the big games recently when KK needed leaders and he hasn't stood up.

He's done reasonably well up until this year and people generally like him. People have noticed he's not performed this year though.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on July 11, 2017, 10:57:18 AM
Kilkenny will be back for sure

I think a valid point for the end of the dominance that hasn't been discussed is the improvement of other teams that can compete with and beat them now
teams are getting better at working with the game Kilkenny impose  when they don't have possession

They are as fit if not fitter and are training at breaking the tackles and the "death by suffocation" Kilkenny resort to when they don't have the ball
Wexford this year are big men and when KK tried to shut them down they couldn't
Tipp have probably better stick men since 2008 but only could compete when they matched them physically
Case in point look at bonner's influence on Tipp compared to noel Mc grath. Don't think there is any argument who the better stickman is but bonner is a freight train
Like all great teams they have transformed the game and other teams have got better at hurling and decision making under pressure 
There is a lot of talk about there there number 3 and 4 positions
I don't think noel hickey would suit the modern game and the way teams are setting up
And how do you replace T walsh and Delaney



Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 11, 2017, 12:06:22 PM
Kilkenny will be back for sure

I think a valid point for the end of the dominance that hasn't been discussed is the improvement of other teams that can compete with and beat them now
teams are getting better at working with the game Kilkenny impose  when they don't have possession

They are as fit if not fitter and are training at breaking the tackles and the "death by suffocation" Kilkenny resort to when they don't have the ball
Wexford this year are big men and when KK tried to shut them down they couldn't
Tipp have probably better stick men since 2008 but only could compete when they matched them physically
Case in point look at bonner's influence on Tipp compared to noel Mc grath. Don't think there is any argument who the better stickman is but bonner is a freight train
Like all great teams they have transformed the game and other teams have got better at hurling and decision making under pressure 
There is a lot of talk about there there number 3 and 4 positions
I don't think noel hickey would suit the modern game and the way teams are setting up
And how do you replace T walsh and Delaney
Great teams have a psychological edge and win matches they shouldn't  . KK will have to get used to life without that.
Maybe Cody should have tried to do something after 2013. Yes, they did win another 2 but the cupboard might be bare for a good while over the next few years.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 11, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Clough is a good example. It is very hard to rebuild when a great team fades. Cody doesn't have a Shefflin 2.0. Cloughie couldnt win the European Cup again after the second one. The achiement with the first Forest team was timeless.  But he couldn't repeat it.

In fairness, people could argue he didn't have a DJ 2.0 but he found Shefflin. He has rebuilt the team before, after the semi final against Galway in 05 everyone assumed Kilkenny were gone for a good while. Then in 10, people assumed Tipperary were the new dawn and certainly in 13 people thought the run was over. I think Cody has proven himself in getting Kilkenny back to the top table in the past. I think he's suffering more for the absence of another strong man. Clough was perhaps the strongest manager character wise there's ever been, but without Peter Taylor he never achieved great success. Strong characters need strong characters to tell them when they're wrong and tell them where they can improve. It took balls to tell Clough that and it takes balls to tell Cody. Michael Dempsey is the best fitness trainer in Ireland but he's a football man. James McGarry is one of the nicest men you'd ever meet but he was never a leader. I know less about Derek Lyng but I suspect the same is true. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but to be a great manager/assistant manager/selector etc. you need to have a bit of a bollixy edge to you. Clough had it, Taylor did, Cody does and I think the same is true of Martin Fogarty. Cody made some wild decisions this year, for example, pushing Padraig Walsh into the forwards against Wexford and using Richie Reid as a substitute forward over forwards who were on the bench. Crazy stuff like that didn't happen on Fogarty's watch. In my opinion, Clough was the best manager soccer ever saw and Cody's the best that hurling, perhaps even the GAA, has witnessed. However, Clough's quote “I am the shop window and he is the goods in the back” has more than a ring of truth about it with Cody and Fogarty too.

Kilkenny will be back for sure

I think a valid point for the end of the dominance that hasn't been discussed is the improvement of other teams that can compete with and beat them now
teams are getting better at working with the game Kilkenny impose  when they don't have possession

They are as fit if not fitter and are training at breaking the tackles and the "death by suffocation" Kilkenny resort to when they don't have the ball
Wexford this year are big men and when KK tried to shut them down they couldn't
Tipp have probably better stick men since 2008 but only could compete when they matched them physically
Case in point look at bonner's influence on Tipp compared to noel Mc grath. Don't think there is any argument who the better stickman is but bonner is a freight train
Like all great teams they have transformed the game and other teams have got better at hurling and decision making under pressure 
There is a lot of talk about there there number 3 and 4 positions
I don't think noel hickey would suit the modern game and the way teams are setting up
And how do you replace T walsh and Delaney

I honestly think it's more a case of Kilkenny having gone back a great deal rather than other teams coming up to Kilkenny's level.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on July 11, 2017, 01:57:53 PM
Clough is a good example. It is very hard to rebuild when a great team fades. Cody doesn't have a Shefflin 2.0. Cloughie couldnt win the European Cup again after the second one. The achiement with the first Forest team was timeless.  But he couldn't repeat it.

In fairness, people could argue he didn't have a DJ 2.0 but he found Shefflin. He has rebuilt the team before, after the semi final against Galway in 05 everyone assumed Kilkenny were gone for a good while. Then in 10, people assumed Tipperary were the new dawn and certainly in 13 people thought the run was over. I think Cody has proven himself in getting Kilkenny back to the top table in the past. I think he's suffering more for the absence of another strong man. Clough was perhaps the strongest manager character wise there's ever been, but without Peter Taylor he never achieved great success. Strong characters need strong characters to tell them when they're wrong and tell them where they can improve. It took balls to tell Clough that and it takes balls to tell Cody. Michael Dempsey is the best fitness trainer in Ireland but he's a football man. James McGarry is one of the nicest men you'd ever meet but he was never a leader. I know less about Derek Lyng but I suspect the same is true. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but to be a great manager/assistant manager/selector etc. you need to have a bit of a bollixy edge to you. Clough had it, Taylor did, Cody does and I think the same is true of Martin Fogarty. Cody made some wild decisions this year, for example, pushing Padraig Walsh into the forwards against Wexford and using Richie Reid as a substitute forward over forwards who were on the bench. Crazy stuff like that didn't happen on Fogarty's watch. In my opinion, Clough was the best manager soccer ever saw and Cody's the best that hurling, perhaps even the GAA, has witnessed. However, Clough's quote “I am the shop window and he is the goods in the back” has more than a ring of truth about it with Cody and Fogarty too.

Kilkenny will be back for sure

I think a valid point for the end of the dominance that hasn't been discussed is the improvement of other teams that can compete with and beat them now
teams are getting better at working with the game Kilkenny impose  when they don't have possession

They are as fit if not fitter and are training at breaking the tackles and the "death by suffocation" Kilkenny resort to when they don't have the ball
Wexford this year are big men and when KK tried to shut them down they couldn't
Tipp have probably better stick men since 2008 but only could compete when they matched them physically
Case in point look at bonner's influence on Tipp compared to noel Mc grath. Don't think there is any argument who the better stickman is but bonner is a freight train
Like all great teams they have transformed the game and other teams have got better at hurling and decision making under pressure 
There is a lot of talk about there there number 3 and 4 positions
I don't think noel hickey would suit the modern game and the way teams are setting up
And how do you replace T walsh and Delaney

I honestly think it's more a case of Kilkenny having gone back a great deal rather than other teams coming up to Kilkenny's level.

It's a case of both that was my point
Kilkennys demise is partly trying replace some of the best players ever to lift a hurl
And other teams raising there intensity and fitness levels
Look at Jamie Barron in extra time he was the difference in Waterford getting over the line
He was running about after 80 minutes of hurling like he was just brought on and Kilkenny where in their feet
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 11, 2017, 03:01:03 PM
Clough is a good example. It is very hard to rebuild when a great team fades. Cody doesn't have a Shefflin 2.0. Cloughie couldnt win the European Cup again after the second one. The achiement with the first Forest team was timeless.  But he couldn't repeat it.

In fairness, people could argue he didn't have a DJ 2.0 but he found Shefflin. He has rebuilt the team before, after the semi final against Galway in 05 everyone assumed Kilkenny were gone for a good while. Then in 10, people assumed Tipperary were the new dawn and certainly in 13 people thought the run was over. I think Cody has proven himself in getting Kilkenny back to the top table in the past. I think he's suffering more for the absence of another strong man. Clough was perhaps the strongest manager character wise there's ever been, but without Peter Taylor he never achieved great success. Strong characters need strong characters to tell them when they're wrong and tell them where they can improve. It took balls to tell Clough that and it takes balls to tell Cody. Michael Dempsey is the best fitness trainer in Ireland but he's a football man. James McGarry is one of the nicest men you'd ever meet but he was never a leader. I know less about Derek Lyng but I suspect the same is true. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but to be a great manager/assistant manager/selector etc. you need to have a bit of a bollixy edge to you. Clough had it, Taylor did, Cody does and I think the same is true of Martin Fogarty. Cody made some wild decisions this year, for example, pushing Padraig Walsh into the forwards against Wexford and using Richie Reid as a substitute forward over forwards who were on the bench. Crazy stuff like that didn't happen on Fogarty's watch. In my opinion, Clough was the best manager soccer ever saw and Cody's the best that hurling, perhaps even the GAA, has witnessed. However, Clough's quote “I am the shop window and he is the goods in the back” has more than a ring of truth about it with Cody and Fogarty too.

Kilkenny will be back for sure

I think a valid point for the end of the dominance that hasn't been discussed is the improvement of other teams that can compete with and beat them now
teams are getting better at working with the game Kilkenny impose  when they don't have possession

They are as fit if not fitter and are training at breaking the tackles and the "death by suffocation" Kilkenny resort to when they don't have the ball
Wexford this year are big men and when KK tried to shut them down they couldn't
Tipp have probably better stick men since 2008 but only could compete when they matched them physically
Case in point look at bonner's influence on Tipp compared to noel Mc grath. Don't think there is any argument who the better stickman is but bonner is a freight train
Like all great teams they have transformed the game and other teams have got better at hurling and decision making under pressure 
There is a lot of talk about there there number 3 and 4 positions
I don't think noel hickey would suit the modern game and the way teams are setting up
And how do you replace T walsh and Delaney

I honestly think it's more a case of Kilkenny having gone back a great deal rather than other teams coming up to Kilkenny's level.

It's a case of both that was my point
Kilkennys demise is partly trying replace some of the best players ever to lift a hurl
And other teams raising there intensity and fitness levels
Look at Jamie Barron in extra time he was the difference in Waterford getting over the line
He was running about after 80 minutes of hurling like he was just brought on and Kilkenny where in their feet

In the All Irelands in 07 and 08 Kilkenny were out of sight by half time. In the first, Kilkenny were 2-3 to 0-0 up after ten minutes and were never going to surrender that lead. In the second Kilkenny were 2-10 to 0-4 up after 21 minutes and out of sight. That wasn't to do with fitness, that was because of sheer class. Those weren't the only matches where Kilkenny blew teams apart well before half time and fitness really only kicks in as a serious factor after 55-60 minutes.

Jamie Barron is a good, fit hurler, but Waterford had good, fit hurlers in 08 and were killed by Kilkenny. In all honesty, put Barron up against Kilkenny in 07 or 08 and, in my opinion, he'd get blown away the same as almost every good hurler from other counties were at that time. Put the Kilkenny team now against the Kilkenny team then and it'd be a massacre.

I don't know of many hurlers around at the moment, if any, who can be compared to Henry Shefflin, JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Eddie Brennan, Aidan Fogarty, Jackie Tyrrell etc. and not be found wanting.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on July 11, 2017, 06:09:11 PM
I don't recall any of the Sunday Game pundits calling for Brian Cody to be banned from all GAA activity for at least 12 weeks for assaulting a linesman during Saturday night's match against Waterford.

Double standards, actually it's worse than double standards given that it was a far more serious incident than the incident which Diarmuid Connolly was banned for.

In the GAA you get banned because of who you are and escape a ban because of who you are.

It's pathetic.

Nah. Connolly moved towards and pushed the linesman. Cody was blocked by the 4th official. Similar, but different.

Should a player who accidentally runs into a ref in the middle of the field get a ban too? Intent & context are important.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on July 11, 2017, 07:04:34 PM
Clough is a good example. It is very hard to rebuild when a great team fades. Cody doesn't have a Shefflin 2.0. Cloughie couldnt win the European Cup again after the second one. The achiement with the first Forest team was timeless.  But he couldn't repeat it.

In fairness, people could argue he didn't have a DJ 2.0 but he found Shefflin. He has rebuilt the team before, after the semi final against Galway in 05 everyone assumed Kilkenny were gone for a good while. Then in 10, people assumed Tipperary were the new dawn and certainly in 13 people thought the run was over. I think Cody has proven himself in getting Kilkenny back to the top table in the past. I think he's suffering more for the absence of another strong man. Clough was perhaps the strongest manager character wise there's ever been, but without Peter Taylor he never achieved great success. Strong characters need strong characters to tell them when they're wrong and tell them where they can improve. It took balls to tell Clough that and it takes balls to tell Cody. Michael Dempsey is the best fitness trainer in Ireland but he's a football man. James McGarry is one of the nicest men you'd ever meet but he was never a leader. I know less about Derek Lyng but I suspect the same is true. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but to be a great manager/assistant manager/selector etc. you need to have a bit of a bollixy edge to you. Clough had it, Taylor did, Cody does and I think the same is true of Martin Fogarty. Cody made some wild decisions this year, for example, pushing Padraig Walsh into the forwards against Wexford and using Richie Reid as a substitute forward over forwards who were on the bench. Crazy stuff like that didn't happen on Fogarty's watch. In my opinion, Clough was the best manager soccer ever saw and Cody's the best that hurling, perhaps even the GAA, has witnessed. However, Clough's quote “I am the shop window and he is the goods in the back” has more than a ring of truth about it with Cody and Fogarty too.

Kilkenny will be back for sure

I think a valid point for the end of the dominance that hasn't been discussed is the improvement of other teams that can compete with and beat them now
teams are getting better at working with the game Kilkenny impose  when they don't have possession

They are as fit if not fitter and are training at breaking the tackles and the "death by suffocation" Kilkenny resort to when they don't have the ball
Wexford this year are big men and when KK tried to shut them down they couldn't
Tipp have probably better stick men since 2008 but only could compete when they matched them physically
Case in point look at bonner's influence on Tipp compared to noel Mc grath. Don't think there is any argument who the better stickman is but bonner is a freight train
Like all great teams they have transformed the game and other teams have got better at hurling and decision making under pressure 
There is a lot of talk about there there number 3 and 4 positions
I don't think noel hickey would suit the modern game and the way teams are setting up
And how do you replace T walsh and Delaney

I honestly think it's more a case of Kilkenny having gone back a great deal rather than other teams coming up to Kilkenny's level.

It's a case of both that was my point
Kilkennys demise is partly trying replace some of the best players ever to lift a hurl
And other teams raising there intensity and fitness levels
Look at Jamie Barron in extra time he was the difference in Waterford getting over the line
He was running about after 80 minutes of hurling like he was just brought on and Kilkenny where in their feet

In the All Irelands in 07 and 08 Kilkenny were out of sight by half time. In the first, Kilkenny were 2-3 to 0-0 up after ten minutes and were never going to surrender that lead. In the second Kilkenny were 2-10 to 0-4 up after 21 minutes and out of sight. That wasn't to do with fitness, that was because of sheer class. Those weren't the only matches where Kilkenny blew teams apart well before half time and fitness really only kicks in as a serious factor after 55-60 minutes.

Jamie Barron is a good, fit hurler, but Waterford had good, fit hurlers in 08 and were killed by Kilkenny. In all honesty, put Barron up against Kilkenny in 07 or 08 and, in my opinion, he'd get blown away the same as almost every good hurler from other counties were at that time. Put the Kilkenny team now against the Kilkenny team then and it'd be a massacre.

I don't know of many hurlers around at the moment, if any, who can be compared to Henry Shefflin, JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Eddie Brennan, Aidan Fogarty, Jackie Tyrrell etc. and not be found wanting.

I don't know many Waterford hurlers from 08 who could have made Barron's run to score the goal that killed of Kilkenny in extra time
Nodody disputing the greatness of those Kilkenny teams
You just mentioned players I mentioned in a previous post so your preaching to the converted on that one
But they whipped some good teams who where not as well prepared for the hard tackles and intensity
Let's just agree to disagree
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: mouview on July 12, 2017, 10:18:05 AM
Clough is a good example. It is very hard to rebuild when a great team fades. Cody doesn't have a Shefflin 2.0. Cloughie couldnt win the European Cup again after the second one. The achiement with the first Forest team was timeless.  But he couldn't repeat it.

In fairness, people could argue he didn't have a DJ 2.0 but he found Shefflin. He has rebuilt the team before, after the semi final against Galway in 05 everyone assumed Kilkenny were gone for a good while. Then in 10, people assumed Tipperary were the new dawn and certainly in 13 people thought the run was over. I think Cody has proven himself in getting Kilkenny back to the top table in the past. I think he's suffering more for the absence of another strong man. Clough was perhaps the strongest manager character wise there's ever been, but without Peter Taylor he never achieved great success. Strong characters need strong characters to tell them when they're wrong and tell them where they can improve. It took balls to tell Clough that and it takes balls to tell Cody. Michael Dempsey is the best fitness trainer in Ireland but he's a football man. James McGarry is one of the nicest men you'd ever meet but he was never a leader. I know less about Derek Lyng but I suspect the same is true. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but to be a great manager/assistant manager/selector etc. you need to have a bit of a bollixy edge to you. Clough had it, Taylor did, Cody does and I think the same is true of Martin Fogarty. Cody made some wild decisions this year, for example, pushing Padraig Walsh into the forwards against Wexford and using Richie Reid as a substitute forward over forwards who were on the bench. Crazy stuff like that didn't happen on Fogarty's watch. In my opinion, Clough was the best manager soccer ever saw and Cody's the best that hurling, perhaps even the GAA, has witnessed. However, Clough's quote “I am the shop window and he is the goods in the back” has more than a ring of truth about it with Cody and Fogarty too.

Kilkenny will be back for sure

I think a valid point for the end of the dominance that hasn't been discussed is the improvement of other teams that can compete with and beat them now
teams are getting better at working with the game Kilkenny impose  when they don't have possession

They are as fit if not fitter and are training at breaking the tackles and the "death by suffocation" Kilkenny resort to when they don't have the ball
Wexford this year are big men and when KK tried to shut them down they couldn't
Tipp have probably better stick men since 2008 but only could compete when they matched them physically
Case in point look at bonner's influence on Tipp compared to noel Mc grath. Don't think there is any argument who the better stickman is but bonner is a freight train
Like all great teams they have transformed the game and other teams have got better at hurling and decision making under pressure 
There is a lot of talk about there there number 3 and 4 positions
I don't think noel hickey would suit the modern game and the way teams are setting up
And how do you replace T walsh and Delaney

I honestly think it's more a case of Kilkenny having gone back a great deal rather than other teams coming up to Kilkenny's level.

It's a case of both that was my point
Kilkennys demise is partly trying replace some of the best players ever to lift a hurl
And other teams raising there intensity and fitness levels
Look at Jamie Barron in extra time he was the difference in Waterford getting over the line
He was running about after 80 minutes of hurling like he was just brought on and Kilkenny where in their feet

In the All Irelands in 07 and 08 Kilkenny were out of sight by half time. In the first, Kilkenny were 2-3 to 0-0 up after ten minutes and were never going to surrender that lead. In the second Kilkenny were 2-10 to 0-4 up after 21 minutes and out of sight. That wasn't to do with fitness, that was because of sheer class. Those weren't the only matches where Kilkenny blew teams apart well before half time and fitness really only kicks in as a serious factor after 55-60 minutes.

Jamie Barron is a good, fit hurler, but Waterford had good, fit hurlers in 08 and were killed by Kilkenny. In all honesty, put Barron up against Kilkenny in 07 or 08 and, in my opinion, he'd get blown away the same as almost every good hurler from other counties were at that time. Put the Kilkenny team now against the Kilkenny team then and it'd be a massacre.

I don't know of many hurlers around at the moment, if any, who can be compared to Henry Shefflin, JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Eddie Brennan, Aidan Fogarty, Jackie Tyrrell etc. and not be found wanting.

As a Galway fan, '07 rankles a bit. Really went toe-to-toe with KK that day for a good hour and with a smidgin of luck could have edged the qualifier. Couldn't ultimately overcome the twin burdens of Ger Mahon at wing-back and Ger Loughnane as manager.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 12, 2017, 10:45:11 AM
Clough is a good example. It is very hard to rebuild when a great team fades. Cody doesn't have a Shefflin 2.0. Cloughie couldnt win the European Cup again after the second one. The achiement with the first Forest team was timeless.  But he couldn't repeat it.

In fairness, people could argue he didn't have a DJ 2.0 but he found Shefflin. He has rebuilt the team before, after the semi final against Galway in 05 everyone assumed Kilkenny were gone for a good while. Then in 10, people assumed Tipperary were the new dawn and certainly in 13 people thought the run was over. I think Cody has proven himself in getting Kilkenny back to the top table in the past. I think he's suffering more for the absence of another strong man. Clough was perhaps the strongest manager character wise there's ever been, but without Peter Taylor he never achieved great success. Strong characters need strong characters to tell them when they're wrong and tell them where they can improve. It took balls to tell Clough that and it takes balls to tell Cody. Michael Dempsey is the best fitness trainer in Ireland but he's a football man. James McGarry is one of the nicest men you'd ever meet but he was never a leader. I know less about Derek Lyng but I suspect the same is true. I don't mean this in a disrespectful way but to be a great manager/assistant manager/selector etc. you need to have a bit of a bollixy edge to you. Clough had it, Taylor did, Cody does and I think the same is true of Martin Fogarty. Cody made some wild decisions this year, for example, pushing Padraig Walsh into the forwards against Wexford and using Richie Reid as a substitute forward over forwards who were on the bench. Crazy stuff like that didn't happen on Fogarty's watch. In my opinion, Clough was the best manager soccer ever saw and Cody's the best that hurling, perhaps even the GAA, has witnessed. However, Clough's quote “I am the shop window and he is the goods in the back” has more than a ring of truth about it with Cody and Fogarty too.

Kilkenny will be back for sure

I think a valid point for the end of the dominance that hasn't been discussed is the improvement of other teams that can compete with and beat them now
teams are getting better at working with the game Kilkenny impose  when they don't have possession

They are as fit if not fitter and are training at breaking the tackles and the "death by suffocation" Kilkenny resort to when they don't have the ball
Wexford this year are big men and when KK tried to shut them down they couldn't
Tipp have probably better stick men since 2008 but only could compete when they matched them physically
Case in point look at bonner's influence on Tipp compared to noel Mc grath. Don't think there is any argument who the better stickman is but bonner is a freight train
Like all great teams they have transformed the game and other teams have got better at hurling and decision making under pressure 
There is a lot of talk about there there number 3 and 4 positions
I don't think noel hickey would suit the modern game and the way teams are setting up
And how do you replace T walsh and Delaney

I honestly think it's more a case of Kilkenny having gone back a great deal rather than other teams coming up to Kilkenny's level.

It's a case of both that was my point
Kilkennys demise is partly trying replace some of the best players ever to lift a hurl
And other teams raising there intensity and fitness levels
Look at Jamie Barron in extra time he was the difference in Waterford getting over the line
He was running about after 80 minutes of hurling like he was just brought on and Kilkenny where in their feet

In the All Irelands in 07 and 08 Kilkenny were out of sight by half time. In the first, Kilkenny were 2-3 to 0-0 up after ten minutes and were never going to surrender that lead. In the second Kilkenny were 2-10 to 0-4 up after 21 minutes and out of sight. That wasn't to do with fitness, that was because of sheer class. Those weren't the only matches where Kilkenny blew teams apart well before half time and fitness really only kicks in as a serious factor after 55-60 minutes.

Jamie Barron is a good, fit hurler, but Waterford had good, fit hurlers in 08 and were killed by Kilkenny. In all honesty, put Barron up against Kilkenny in 07 or 08 and, in my opinion, he'd get blown away the same as almost every good hurler from other counties were at that time. Put the Kilkenny team now against the Kilkenny team then and it'd be a massacre.

I don't know of many hurlers around at the moment, if any, who can be compared to Henry Shefflin, JJ Delaney, Tommy Walsh, Eoin Larkin, Eddie Brennan, Aidan Fogarty, Jackie Tyrrell etc. and not be found wanting.

As a Galway fan, '07 rankles a bit. Really went toe-to-toe with KK that day for a good hour and with a smidgin of luck could have edged the qualifier. Couldn't ultimately overcome the twin burdens of Ger Mahon at wing-back and Ger Loughnane as manager.

If I remember rightly, that was a quarter final and arguably the best match of the season. At least the tensest from a Kilkenny point-of-view until Eddie Brennan, again I might be wrong but think I remember correctly, scored two goals in the last ten minutes.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: mouview on July 13, 2017, 01:12:28 AM
Ya; Fergal Moore was marking him well in the first half, but had to retire near HT with a pulled hamstring. For some reason, later in the game Gerlock withdrew Iarla Tannian who had been keeping Tommy Walsh quiet. With 10 minutes to go and the scores nearly level, and in a hithertho tight game, the ball so nearly broke inside for Damien Hayes to get through on goal. Noel Hickey just managed to get a stick to it and the rest is KK history. For the second season in succession v KK, Ger Mahon got an awful roasting. Wasn't seen much after that for Galway.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 13, 2017, 12:02:28 PM
Ya; Fergal Moore was marking him well in the first half, but had to retire near HT with a pulled hamstring. For some reason, later in the game Gerlock withdrew Iarla Tannian who had been keeping Tommy Walsh quiet. With 10 minutes to go and the scores nearly level, and in a hithertho tight game, the ball so nearly broke inside for Damien Hayes to get through on goal. Noel Hickey just managed to get a stick to it and the rest is KK history. For the second season in succession v KK, Ger Mahon got an awful roasting. Wasn't seen much after that for Galway.

Remember that game as a great match. Recall the tension going through me for most of it until Brennan stuck the two goals away. The only bad thing in those years of putting teams away quickly was the lack of emotion at the end; the All Irelands in 07 and 08 almost felt like a bit of an anti-climax after all the build up, particularly 08. The odd game where Kilkenny were put to the pin of their collar were much more exciting.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 13, 2017, 07:33:41 PM
2006 was when Kilkenny really got going. They absolutely destroyed Galway down in Thurles and wiped out Cork's 3 in a row ambition in the final. I think the only flaw in Cody's reign was missing out on the 5 in a row.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2017, 08:36:41 PM
2006 was when Kilkenny really got going. They absolutely destroyed Galway down in Thurles and wiped out Cork's 3 in a row ambition in the final. I think the only flaw in Cody's reign was missing out on the 5 in a row.

Flaw? Aye huge flaw of not winning 5 in a row came back and won some more
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 13, 2017, 09:16:51 PM
2006 was when Kilkenny really got going. They absolutely destroyed Galway down in Thurles and wiped out Cork's 3 in a row ambition in the final. I think the only flaw in Cody's reign was missing out on the 5 in a row.

Flaw? Aye huge flaw of not winning 5 in a row came back and won some more

;)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Owenmoresider on July 14, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
Ya; Fergal Moore was marking him well in the first half, but had to retire near HT with a pulled hamstring. For some reason, later in the game Gerlock withdrew Iarla Tannian who had been keeping Tommy Walsh quiet. With 10 minutes to go and the scores nearly level, and in a hithertho tight game, the ball so nearly broke inside for Damien Hayes to get through on goal. Noel Hickey just managed to get a stick to it and the rest is KK history. For the second season in succession v KK, Ger Mahon got an awful roasting. Wasn't seen much after that for Galway.

Remember that game as a great match. Recall the tension going through me for most of it until Brennan stuck the two goals away. The only bad thing in those years of putting teams away quickly was the lack of emotion at the end; the All Irelands in 07 and 08 almost felt like a bit of an anti-climax after all the build up, particularly 08. The odd game where Kilkenny were put to the pin of their collar were much more exciting.
Though in fairness in 2008 you could at least admire what was a near flawless performance by the team, McGarry letting in a soft goal late on aside, they just utterly blew Waterford away. From memory KK didn't hit a wide til injury time in the first half, with 2-16 already on the board. Some going.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Kilkevan on July 14, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
Ya; Fergal Moore was marking him well in the first half, but had to retire near HT with a pulled hamstring. For some reason, later in the game Gerlock withdrew Iarla Tannian who had been keeping Tommy Walsh quiet. With 10 minutes to go and the scores nearly level, and in a hithertho tight game, the ball so nearly broke inside for Damien Hayes to get through on goal. Noel Hickey just managed to get a stick to it and the rest is KK history. For the second season in succession v KK, Ger Mahon got an awful roasting. Wasn't seen much after that for Galway.

Remember that game as a great match. Recall the tension going through me for most of it until Brennan stuck the two goals away. The only bad thing in those years of putting teams away quickly was the lack of emotion at the end; the All Irelands in 07 and 08 almost felt like a bit of an anti-climax after all the build up, particularly 08. The odd game where Kilkenny were put to the pin of their collar were much more exciting.
Though in fairness in 2008 you could at least admire what was a near flawless performance by the team, McGarry letting in a soft goal late on aside, they just utterly blew Waterford away. From memory KK didn't hit a wide til injury time in the first half, with 2-16 already on the board. Some going.

I'm not complaining, it was a magical period for Kilkenny fans. I'm just saying the adrenalin rush of the two Eddie Brennan goals and similar is something extra.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: stew on September 09, 2017, 12:58:22 PM
I am loving Kilkennys long slow death from the upper echelons of hurlings elite, the fans I met in the States are without doubt the most arrogant hoors I ever met in Gaelic Games circles, I despise them and hope they continue to fester in the AIQF's level for many years to come.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Avondhu star on September 10, 2017, 07:43:56 AM
You mustn't have spent too much time in the company of supporters of the Armagh one hit wonders if you think the Kilkenny lads are arrogant.
If they are they have something to be arrogant about
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: stew on September 10, 2017, 10:53:29 AM
You mustn't have spent too much time in the company of supporters of the Armagh one hit wonders if you think the Kilkenny lads are arrogant.
If they are they have something to be arrogant about

I spend all my time with Armagh supporters, we have absolutely nothing to be arrogant about, Kilkenny don't even bother to play football, all their recourses go t playing hurling, there are about six decent teams in hurling, the rest are fluff, nobody has the right to be arrogant and again their fans, the ones that I met were arrogant bastards, just my experience, I despise the county for that as well as their love for the Royals and the brits in general, a loathesome county if ever there was one! :)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on September 10, 2017, 01:51:39 PM
I never found KK fans to be arrogant. That would be Tipp
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2017, 11:32:53 PM
Kilkenny folks usually play everything down and always come across as easy going.
However put a shtick in their paws......
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on September 15, 2017, 08:04:04 AM
I never found KK fans to be arrogant. That would be Tipp

That would be my sentiments as well.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on September 15, 2017, 09:16:42 AM
Not even one on the TSG team of the year.
That is really something.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 16, 2017, 04:26:41 PM
not everyone is happy in kilkenny

 http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/eddie-oconnor-says-brian-cody-needs-to-move-upstairs-and-allow-dj-carey-to-take-over-806210.html  (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/eddie-oconnor-says-brian-cody-needs-to-move-upstairs-and-allow-dj-carey-to-take-over-806210.html)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Real Talker on September 16, 2017, 05:14:48 PM
For anyone interested in podcasts lads, we had Michael Fennelly on for an hour this week.

The 2011 Hurler of the Year was incredibly honest about the impact his love of hurling has had on his body and mind and the many challenges he has had to overcome.

Now in the latter end of his career at 32, he has changed jobs, studied leadership, started lecturing and began a journey into the entrepreneurial world. There is zero doubt that Michael Fennelly is much more than just a hurler.

You can listen here or search 'Real Talks' on iTunes or SoundCloud: http://realtalks.ie/podcast/episode-12-michael-fennelly/
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: gallsman on September 19, 2017, 08:58:39 AM
I never found KK fans to be arrogant. That would be Tipp

That would be my sentiments as well.

You know the old saying about Tipp fans. Could never get over the one in a row.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: imtommygunn on September 19, 2017, 10:14:10 PM
Are cork perceived arrogant or just tipp?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 08:20:32 AM
Tipps arrogance is, I think, a bit misunderstood. They have great confidence in themselves gan dabht, but they fully recognise the threat the likes of Galway, Kilkenny, Cork etc pose. There weren't too many Tipp fans overly cocky going into the Galway game the last 3 years for example. They are also inordinately hard on their own team when they lose, similar to the Kerry fans in football.

I think the arrogance comes from their attitude to the weaker counties. They have no concept that a team like Offaly, Dublin, Antrim, Laois etc could ever beat them and shouldn't be on the the same field as them.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 20, 2017, 12:38:47 PM
Tipps arrogance is, I think, a bit misunderstood. They have great confidence in themselves gan dabht, but they fully recognise the threat the likes of Galway, Kilkenny, Cork etc pose. There weren't too many Tipp fans overly cocky going into the Galway game the last 3 years for example. They are also inordinately hard on their own team when they lose, similar to the Kerry fans in football.

I think the arrogance comes from their attitude to the weaker counties. They have no concept that a team like Offaly, Dublin, Antrim, Laois etc could ever beat them and shouldn't be on the the same field as them.
they still cannot accept how well Westmeath did against them this year
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: shark on September 20, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
Tipps arrogance is, I think, a bit misunderstood. They have great confidence in themselves gan dabht, but they fully recognise the threat the likes of Galway, Kilkenny, Cork etc pose. There weren't too many Tipp fans overly cocky going into the Galway game the last 3 years for example. They are also inordinately hard on their own team when they lose, similar to the Kerry fans in football.

I think the arrogance comes from their attitude to the weaker counties. They have no concept that a team like Offaly, Dublin, Antrim, Laois etc could ever beat them and shouldn't be on the the same field as them.
they still cannot accept how well Westmeath did against them this year

Speaking of which, how the hell did Tommy Doyle not get an all-Star nomination? Has Callinan ever been roasted to the level he was that night?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on September 20, 2017, 01:25:43 PM
Tipps arrogance is, I think, a bit misunderstood. They have great confidence in themselves gan dabht, but they fully recognise the threat the likes of Galway, Kilkenny, Cork etc pose. There weren't too many Tipp fans overly cocky going into the Galway game the last 3 years for example. They are also inordinately hard on their own team when they lose, similar to the Kerry fans in football.

I think the arrogance comes from their attitude to the weaker counties. They have no concept that a team like Offaly, Dublin, Antrim, Laois etc could ever beat them and shouldn't be on the the same field as them.
they still cannot accept how well Westmeath did against them this year

Speaking of which, how the hell did Tommy Doyle not get an all-Star nomination? Has Callinan ever been roasted to the level he was that night?

He was roasted by Doyle previously.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 20, 2017, 04:20:12 PM
Tipps arrogance is, I think, a bit misunderstood. They have great confidence in themselves gan dabht, but they fully recognise the threat the likes of Galway, Kilkenny, Cork etc pose. There weren't too many Tipp fans overly cocky going into the Galway game the last 3 years for example. They are also inordinately hard on their own team when they lose, similar to the Kerry fans in football.

I think the arrogance comes from their attitude to the weaker counties. They have no concept that a team like Offaly, Dublin, Antrim, Laois etc could ever beat them and shouldn't be on the the same field as them.
they still cannot accept how well Westmeath did against them this year

Speaking of which, how the hell did Tommy Doyle not get an all-Star nomination? Has Callinan ever been roasted to the level he was that night?
Westmeath played 5 games in the championship. Its obvious the people who chose players never saw one Westmeath game

i'm trying to figure out how Shane O'Donnell got a nomination
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on September 21, 2017, 07:11:21 PM
Tipps arrogance is, I think, a bit misunderstood. They have great confidence in themselves gan dabht, but they fully recognise the threat the likes of Galway, Kilkenny, Cork etc pose. There weren't too many Tipp fans overly cocky going into the Galway game the last 3 years for example. They are also inordinately hard on their own team when they lose, similar to the Kerry fans in football.

I think the arrogance comes from their attitude to the weaker counties. They have no concept that a team like Offaly, Dublin, Antrim, Laois etc could ever beat them and shouldn't be on the the same field as them.
I can't understand why they are so nihilistic when they lose. The hurlers can only do their best.
And they usually have very insightful and eloquent managers
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 23, 2017, 05:43:31 PM
Brennan gone as U21 boss

great players don't always make great managers
Westmeath U21s beat them in 2016 and had them on the ropes this year but couldn't finish them off
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 26, 2017, 02:05:18 PM
You mustn't have spent too much time in the company of supporters of the Armagh one hit wonders if you think the Kilkenny lads are arrogant.
If they are they have something to be arrogant about

I spend all my time with Armagh supporters, we have absolutely nothing to be arrogant about, Kilkenny don't even bother to play football, all their recourses go t playing hurling, there are about six decent teams in hurling, the rest are fluff, nobody has the right to be arrogant and again their fans, the ones that I met were arrogant b**tards, just my experience, I despise the county for that as well as their love for the Royals and the brits in general, a loathesome county if ever there was one! :)

Thats five more than the current football teams has to show, with one team winning all before them  ;) 3 in a row and all that..

in saying that Mayo would be decent, the rest just lay down
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: orangeman on December 30, 2017, 11:43:48 AM
Mick Fennelly gone.

A colossus in the middle. Won't be easy finding another specimen like that.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: gallsman on December 31, 2017, 11:27:08 AM
Mick Fennelly gone.

A colossus in the middle. Won't be easy finding another specimen like that.

An absolute horse of a man who has been playing on borrowed time for years with the injuries he's had. Probably the best midfielder the game has seen this century.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Premier Emperor on January 02, 2018, 11:06:08 AM
I thought he retired in 2010 when Shane McGrath schooled him?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: hardstation on January 02, 2018, 11:29:05 AM
I thought he retired in 2010 when Shane McGrath schooled him?
I’m sure he is glad he stayed on to win another 4 All Irelands. McGrath might as well have retired there and then though.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on January 02, 2018, 11:43:46 AM
Mick Fennelly gone.

A colossus in the middle. Won't be easy finding another specimen like that.

An absolute horse of a man who has been playing on borrowed time for years with the injuries he's had. Probably the best midfielder the game has seen this century.

This will be a big blow to Cody's rebuilding plans as another core player has gone from which he could build a new team around.

Cody needs some of the periphery like Lennon to stand up and hope Murphy and Paudie Walsh hit some form to help Buckley to build the defence around. The forwards need a big improvement as well.

KK are back into the pack for sure now
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Premier Emperor on January 12, 2018, 01:15:39 PM
All Kilkenny clubs have been asked to observe a minute's silence before their next game to commemorate the retirement of Brian Gavin.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: mouview on January 12, 2018, 01:46:46 PM
All Kilkenny clubs have been asked to observe a minute's silence before their next game to commemorate the retirement of Brian Gavin.

Now, now, PE. Can't recall Tipp doing likewise when John Denton called it quits.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Zooming around on January 12, 2018, 02:57:09 PM
Tipp will have one when Barry Kelly retires.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Premier Emperor on January 12, 2018, 03:13:08 PM
Neither of those refs did Tipp any favours!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on January 24, 2018, 06:19:33 AM
https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/cody-wields-axe-on-walsh-and-farrell-with-aylwards-future-in-doubt-36524132.html
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: let it fly on January 24, 2018, 11:36:47 AM
To be honest never thought john joe farrell was good enough very inconsistent, ger aylward a big surprise though
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on January 26, 2018, 02:33:33 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0123/935500-brennan-cody-must-game-take-league-gamble/

I think Brian has to gamble a little bit in the League and try new lads out," he said. "I think three and six are probably two of the big problems he has at the moment. That was seen in the last year or two."

Full-back in particular has been an area of concern since JJ Delaney departed the scene, with Pádraig Walsh moved from the half-back line last year.

We haven’t produced a forward of real class since Richie Hogan. That’s a worry."

They are 7/1 for the all Ireland
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on January 26, 2018, 11:06:24 AM
Galway solved their 3 and 6 problem and haven't looked back. If both can reach those same standards they'll be about at the business end of the year again.

Clare think they've solved their 3 and 6 problem but only the summer months will tell if Conor Cleary and David McInerney are the reincarnations of Lohan and Seany Mac respectively,

Tipp still may have questions over 3, Barry had a poor enough year last year, but had a good semi-final, Ronan Maher in a similar position as he didn't show the same dynamism.

Waterford have a 3, 6 and a false 3 in DeBurca which won't be enough to get them over the line as they're left a man short in the forwards.
Wexford are similar to Waterford in their format, but lacking the same quality at present. A few years behind in their development.

Cork in Cahalane and Joyce are steady if unspectacular. Cahalane is weak under a high ball IMO and Eoin Cadogan isn't the answer. I like Joyce though. Think they rode their luck last year and may struggle this year.

Dublin have a good bit of rebuilding to do, but in Rushe they've a very fine hurler and if he sticks to playing centre back and not trying to doing everything then he's the rock for the rest to work around. Needs more discipline in his game. Pete Kelly was able to give Callanan as good a game as any fullback a few years back. Whether he can hit those heights again is another thing. This year is a fact finding mission for Gilroy/Cunningham until they can find a settled team of the correct standards.

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on January 27, 2018, 09:11:39 PM
Cork beat them tonight
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on February 04, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0204/938262-kilkenny-rally-but-fall-short-against-profligate-clare/

Clare had looked winners from a long way out but still struggled to get over the line and claim their second win against hard going Kilkenny in this engrossing National Hurling League game in Nowlan Park today.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on February 05, 2018, 09:34:40 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0204/938262-kilkenny-rally-but-fall-short-against-profligate-clare/

Clare had looked winners from a long way out but still struggled to get over the line and claim their second win against hard going Kilkenny in this engrossing National Hurling League game in Nowlan Park today.

Clare hit some bad wides midway through the first half to keep Kilkenny interested till the end.

Clare need to get that killer instinct and keep the hammer down when chances arrive. it may be their undoing again.

Kilkenny showed a bit of spirit to get the crowd going but you'd wonder if the class is still there to get them to the top again.
Richie Leahy looks as he could do something in the summer, but you still get the impression that Cody will be relying on the few old guard left to do the heavy lifting.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on February 05, 2018, 09:38:45 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0204/938262-kilkenny-rally-but-fall-short-against-profligate-clare/

Clare had looked winners from a long way out but still struggled to get over the line and claim their second win against hard going Kilkenny in this engrossing National Hurling League game in Nowlan Park today.

Clare hit some bad wides midway through the first half to keep Kilkenny interested till the end.

Clare need to get that killer instinct and keep the hammer down when chances arrive. it may be their undoing again.

Kilkenny showed a bit of spirit to get the crowd going but you'd wonder if the class is still there to get them to the top again.
Richie Leahy looks as he could do something in the summer, but you still get the impression that Cody will be relying on the few old guard left to do the heavy lifting.
Kilkenny would be better off in 1B.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on March 01, 2018, 01:56:40 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DuignanMichael/status/965654680100536320/photo/1
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnneycool on March 01, 2018, 02:14:35 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DuignanMichael/status/965654680100536320/photo/1

Can't see it this year all the same with Tipp, Galway and Waterford (come the summer) ahead of them and the likes of Wexford, Clare, Cork and Limerick able to give them a beating and no one being surprised about it.

Cody has gotten the work rate up and all that, but you just can't see the quality in some of those young fellas just yet.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on March 01, 2018, 02:21:24 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/DuignanMichael/status/965654680100536320/photo/1

Can't see it this year all the same with Tipp, Galway and Waterford (come the summer) ahead of them and the likes of Wexford, Clare, Cork and Limerick able to give them a beating and no one being surprised about it.

Cody has gotten the work rate up and all that, but you just can't see the quality in so me of those young fellas just yet.
They don't have the backs in the key positions.
He went to the well too often with the legends.

Real Madrid are doing exactly the same with Ronaldo and Modric
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on March 10, 2018, 08:54:05 AM
Rte :

A fourth successive win for Wexford over their historically intimidating neighbours will guarantee them top spot in Division 1A
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on March 12, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
Rte :

A fourth successive win for Wexford over their historically intimidating neighbours will guarantee them top spot in Division 1A
how did that go for them  :o
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on March 12, 2018, 07:16:09 PM
Rte :

A fourth successive win for Wexford over their historically intimidating neighbours will guarantee them top spot in Division 1A
how did that go for them  :o
3 out of 4 is still shocking  And its better than 2 out of 3 which ain't bad. 
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on March 13, 2018, 09:50:19 AM
Rte :

A fourth successive win for Wexford over their historically intimidating neighbours will guarantee them top spot in Division 1A
how did that go for them  :o
3 out of 4 is still shocking  And its better than 2 out of 3 which ain't bad.
The bigger question is who's got the bigger kick come the summer.

Davy has a habit of peaking teams early, Kilkenny never really put much effort into the league but you get the impression that this year Cody was under more pressure and they did.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on March 13, 2018, 12:12:41 PM
Rte :

A fourth successive win for Wexford over their historically intimidating neighbours will guarantee them top spot in Division 1A
how did that go for them  :o
3 out of 4 is still shocking  And its better than 2 out of 3 which ain't bad.
The bigger question is who's got the bigger kick come the summer.

Davy has a habit of peaking teams early, Kilkenny never really put much effort into the league but you get the impression that this year Cody was under more pressure and they did.
When the cats are away the mice will play
KK are missing cat#3 and cat#6
This goal at 4.42 wouldn't have happened a few years ago. Wexford wouldn't have dared.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgoPvOQPdfQ

Wexford probably have a more stable team as well. I think KK need more time.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: imtommygunn on April 01, 2018, 06:18:55 PM
Is richie hogan retired? Haven't seen him about this year but didn't hear anything and didn't think he was old enough.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: waterfordlad on April 02, 2018, 08:20:16 AM
He hasn't retired but has had a lot of injury problems. They didn't miss him today. It's back to a Kilkenny Tipperary final again.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: orangeman on April 08, 2018, 09:19:01 PM
I know it's only the league but I didn't see KK winning a league title this year.

Cody is made of stern stuff. Early days and Tipp will come back stronger.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Unlaoised on April 10, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
The cats are back ...glad I got on them at 7/1 ...Easy money!!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: nrico2006 on April 10, 2018, 10:50:38 AM
Tipp were missing quite a few key players though.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on April 10, 2018, 11:02:58 AM
Worth remembering

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jamesie-oconnor-kilkenny-look-more-comfortable-with-their-new-style-of-play-but-tipp-have-the-greater-weapons-36785160.html?utm_source=outbrain_top_drawer&utm_medium=outbrain&utm_campaign=Outbrain On Site
With the new championship format, unearthing fresh talent and solid back-up players was always going to be a priority this spring. Tipperary will play four championship matches in the space of 21 days, so the depth of their panel - and everyone else's - is going to be tested. Hence the greater level of experimentation than was previously the case.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on April 10, 2018, 03:19:02 PM
Worth remembering

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jamesie-oconnor-kilkenny-look-more-comfortable-with-their-new-style-of-play-but-tipp-have-the-greater-weapons-36785160.html?utm_source=outbrain_top_drawer&utm_medium=outbrain&utm_campaign=Outbrain On Site
With the new championship format, unearthing fresh talent and solid back-up players was always going to be a priority this spring. Tipperary will play four championship matches in the space of 21 days, so the depth of their panel - and everyone else's - is going to be tested. Hence the greater level of experimentation than was previously the case.

That's where I think Clare and Cork will come unstuck as you just don't see the quality after the first 15.


Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on May 31, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
Galway horsed  KK out of it. 

https://youtu.be/BYj-24PmwsE

https://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/sport/316013/you-just-had-to-admire-galway-s-hurling-and-power-plays.html

As Cody would say,  savage team
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on November 09, 2018, 11:48:58 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/1107/1009264-aylward-cats-must-raise-game-to-match-galway/
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on February 05, 2019, 12:24:23 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-s-intricate-passing-game-proves-too-much-for-kilkenny-1.3780850

Clare’s intricate passing game proves too much for Kilkenny
Kevin Kelly punished a succession of untidy defensive fouls to keep his team in the contest
Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 18:59 Updated: Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 19:04
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Clare’s John Conlon scored 1-1 against Kilkenny. Photograph: Lorraine O’Sullivan/Inpho
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Clare 2-20 Kilkenny 1-22
The crowd in Cusack Park seemed to be over the rugby loss in quick time. A heavy lunch time down pour dampened neither the local enthusiasm nor the appetite of the athletes to produce an entertaining end-to-end romp of exceptionally high quality for early February.
Afterwards, the Clare crowd exited Ennis slightly puzzled as to how they only won by a single point. Kevin Kelly’s audacious free gave Kilkenny a goal in the 75th minute but time denied Kilkenny the opportunity to further worry the locals.
Clare were powerful and aggressive in the air, worked several wonderful second half points with their intricate passing game and allowed the Kilkenny forwards nothing like the space they enjoyed against Cork. But they gave Kelly a chance to produce an all but immaculate performance from the placed ball, punishing a succession of untidy defensive fouls with 1-11, including that late goal.
Ger Aylward was bright and sharp with every possession he got and saw a brilliant strike ricochet off the post in the ninth minute as the Cats raced into a 0-5 to 0-2 lead.
Instead, it was Clare who found the net first, with John Conlon capitalising on a break on one of the many long, direct balls delivered to the Kilkenny fullback line. Huw Lawlor responded impressively to a hugely busy role with little cover, combative in the air and cool in his decision making under heavy scrutiny from Clare’s hard-working forwards. Paddy Deegan, John Donnelly and Conor Fogarty contested everything relentlessly as Kilkenny kept chasing and almost-catching Clare’s lead from the 20th minute on. That lead fluctuated: in the 52nd minute, Shane Golden’s point put them 2-16 to 0-14 clear but Kilkenny’s stay-going quality meant that the match never felt over.
The introduction of Padraig Walsh gave the visitors additional forward thrust over the last half hour and they reeled off four points on the trot to regain the momentum going into the last 10 minutes.
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Blue Billywig Video Player“There wasn’t a whole lot in the game - the two goals were crucial for them,” said Brian Cody. “It kept that bit of a gap between us but it was competitive all the way.”
It was certainly that. But in the midst of the heavy industry, Clare offered sublime glimpses. Ian Galvin was an impossible handful for Kilkenny’s defence, Peter Duggan and Diarmuid Ryan offered reliable outlets for Clare’s powerful defensive runners, David Fitzgerald and Conor Cleary.
Golden’s imposing physical presence and aerial ability gave Clare a good hold around the middle and his return, after a full hurling year ruined with injury setbacks, deepens Clare’s options.
Podge Collins’ 48th minute goal started with a surge out of defence from Rory Hayes and a brilliant pass from Galvin which Collins controlled superbly before letting fly from the left side to beat Eoin Murphy. A minute later, Galvin set up Ryan with a sweet little flick and Clare seemed were in flow.
“Yeah, they played well” Gerry O’Connor said of Galvin and Ryan.
“But to be honest the guy that impressed me most was Shane Golden. I think if you look at the amount of possessions Shane had and, looking at the stats, Shane had a phenomenal game. I don’t really like picking out everyone in particular but Diarmuid had a tough night at the office in Thurles and he bounced back. That’s what you are looking for; can these guys withstand the test and pressure over five league games.”
Pipping Kilkenny eases a little of that pressure, although Clare have enjoyed good league fortunes against the stripy men in the O’Connor/Moloney era. Their one nagging concern is that they couldn’t fully put Kilkenny away. Time and time again they were punished for hauling and dragging Aylward, the menacing Billy Ryan and John Donnelly, who repeatedly turned nothing into something for Kilkenny. Afterwards, Gerry O’Connor said that Clare have a fortnight now to work on their tackling prior to their engagement with Cork, leading to further discussions about the controversial straight red card for which Tony Kelly missed this game.
“We’ve looked back at the video several times. It didn’t look like a red to me, I’ll be honest with you. I‘ll be amazed if the same red card was given in three months time when we start into the Munster championship.”
There was enough promise and physical presence and hunger in this performance to give Clare supporters reason to anticipate the summer with eagerness. But on a so-so day for Kilkenny, they still managed to take a match right to the wire.
“They’ll be on everyone’s radar to be up there for whatever is given out at the end of the year,” Brian Cody said of Clare.
“They showed that last year when they were only a stone’s through away from it.”
CLARE: 1 D Touhy; 20 R Hayes, 3 D McInerney, 4 J Browne; 7 C Malone, 6 C Cleary, 26 D Fitzgerald; 8 S Golden (0-2) 21 C Galvin (0-3); 10 D Ryan (0-3), 17 P Collins (1-0), 12 P Duggan (0-6, 5 frees, 65); 13 C Guilfoyle (0-1), 14 J Conlon (1-1), 22 I Galvin (0-2).
Substitutes: 25 G Cooney (0-1) for 13 C Guilfoyle (53 mins), 9 R Taylor for 22 I Galvin (60 mins), 2 J McCarthy for 20 R Hayes (64 mins), 19 N Deasy (0-1 free) for 12 P Duggan (66 mins), 18 M O’Malley for 21 C Galvin (69 mins),
KILKENNY: 1 E Murphy; 2 P Murphy, 3 H Lawlor, 4 T Walsh; 5 C Delaney (0-1), 6 P Deegan, 7 E Morrissey; 8 J Maher (0-2), 9 C Fogarty (0-1); 10 J Donnelly (0-1), 11 G Aylward (0-3), 12 M Keoghan; 13 B Ryan (0-2), 14 K Kelly (1-11, frees), 15 R Leahy.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on February 05, 2019, 01:29:29 PM
Kilkenny missing TJ and that is a big enough loss, in fairness to Kelly, I don't think he missed a free, but TJ has more to him than frees, when he is involved in a game he can pick out runners and generate goal opportunities.. was a decent game and glad it was on before the football match.

A very good outing for both teams. Clare still a very good team, though when the number 2 came on for Clare (McCarthy I think) he gave away free after free, was like a div 4 club hurler!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: shark on February 05, 2019, 01:40:15 PM
Kilkenny missing TJ and that is a big enough loss, in fairness to Kelly, I don't think he missed a free, but TJ has more to him than frees, when he is involved in a game he can pick out runners and generate goal opportunities.. was a decent game and glad it was on before the football match.

A very good outing for both teams. Clare still a very good team, though when the number 2 came on for Clare (McCarthy I think) he gave away free after free, was like a div 4 club hurler!

Yeah I really don't think he is a corner-back. Think he played midfield at u21 level. Ryan looks like a find for Clare - was very impressive. His point at the end of the first half when Cleary pinged a ball out to him on the sideline was fantastic.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on February 05, 2019, 03:08:15 PM
Kilkenny missing TJ and that is a big enough loss, in fairness to Kelly, I don't think he missed a free, but TJ has more to him than frees, when he is involved in a game he can pick out runners and generate goal opportunities.. was a decent game and glad it was on before the football match.

A very good outing for both teams. Clare still a very good team, though when the number 2 came on for Clare (McCarthy I think) he gave away free after free, was like a div 4 club hurler!

Yeah I really don't think he is a corner-back. Think he played midfield at u21 level. Ryan looks like a find for Clare - was very impressive. His point at the end of the first half when Cleary pinged a ball out to him on the sideline was fantastic.

McCarthy was just on the field after replacing Rory Hayes who'd a decent enough outing in the corner but had just received a yellow card for persistent fouling himself.

I counted 4 easy frees that Kelly pointed from the two lads who seem to panic when their opponent gets the ball. Defending is as much about what you do without the ball as with it and the Clare backs in general are inclined to give up a serious amount of frees for needless fouls.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on April 25, 2019, 09:40:35 AM


Shefflin on the drive for 5

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/henry-shefflin-says-dublin-will-feel-the-heat-of-five-in-a-row-1.3870488

Nine years on from Kilkenny’s defeat to Tipperary in the 2010 All-Ireland hurling final, the lost chance to win that record fifth successive All-Ireland, Shefflin admits Dublin will find themselves under pressure unlike any other, and it’s only a matter of time until they realise it.
“I think once it gets to the end, when we get to August or the end of July with the football, that’s when the real heat will come on, and that’s when it does come into your mind,” says Shefflin.
“Up to now it’s there, it’s in the ether. But I think once you get to the semi-final stage then players’ minds come into focus more that that is there. It’ll be interesting to see how they manage it.”
After losing that 2010 All-Ireland, Shefflin came back to win another three titles with Kilkenny, bringing his tally to a record 10; last March he made it All-Ireland number 14, managing his club Ballyhale Shamrocks to the title he had also won three times as a player.
He suggests part of the challenge for Dublin and Jim Gavin is balancing the motivation with the expectation. “It was a huge motivation for me, definitely,” adds Shefflin, speaking in Croke Park at the launch of the Bank of Ireland Celtic Challenge.

“Sure I tried to play [the 2010 final] with no cruciate, and that wasn’t a very smart move. Dublin will take it one game at a time, but that’s my point. At the early stages it’s one game in a row, but then I think once you get to that intensity, and you can see the grandstand finish coming up, that’s when it comes more into focus.
 “Especially with it being Dublin, the media attention will absolutely sky-rocket.  But, look, they have a good manager, similar to Brian Cody in terms of being able to keep that low key, and the players seem to do that as well. 


“It’s about the panel of players as well, and the development of that panel of players is very important. That’s the reason we were successful with the club, we had that bit of youth who brought that bit of freshness and enthusiasm to the older players as well, so we got that balance right.
Sometimes when you are going on a successful run you can stay with what you’re doing, and it can get a bit stale and that’s when you get found out.”
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on April 26, 2019, 09:47:52 AM
Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2019, 10:05:42 AM
Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.
Top 3 should be doable this year
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on April 26, 2019, 10:53:16 AM
Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.
Top 3 should be doable this year

It won't be straight forward though.

Who's your three?

KK
Galway
Wexford or the Dubs.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2019, 11:49:44 AM
Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.
Top 3 should be doable this year

It won't be straight forward though.

Who's your three?

KK
Galway
Wexford or the Dubs.

KK
Galway
Perhaps the Dubs

I think the cat brand is still worth 4 points in a tight match against a developing team.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on April 26, 2019, 12:06:18 PM
Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.
Top 3 should be doable this year

It won't be straight forward though.

Who's your three?

KK
Galway
Wexford or the Dubs.

KK
Galway
Perhaps the Dubs

I think the cat brand is still worth 4 points in a tight match against a developing team.

Wexford won't fear the Cats but, have the physical upper hand atm and they have them at home in the last round..

These two games will define Kilkenny's year. Not win both and they're gone as I expect Galway to beat them without Joe.

Dublin have now got a settled spine in their team, a fullback as good as anyone in the game and will give Kilkenny their fill of it.

Round 1 (Round Robin)
1.   Kilkenny   v   Dublin   11.5.2019   Nowlan Park   7.00pm
Round 5 (Round Robin)
1.   Wexford   v   Kilkenny    15.6.2019   Innovate Wexford Park   7.00pm
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on April 26, 2019, 05:32:21 PM
Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.
Top 3 should be doable this year

It won't be straight forward though.

Who's your three?

KK
Galway
Wexford or the Dubs.

KK
Galway
Perhaps the Dubs

I think the cat brand is still worth 4 points in a tight match against a developing team.

Wexford won't fear the Cats but, have the physical upper hand atm and they have them at home in the last round..

These two games will define Kilkenny's year. Not win both and they're gone as I expect Galway to beat them without Joe.

Dublin have now got a settled spine in their team, a fullback as good as anyone in the game and will give Kilkenny their fill of it.

Round 1 (Round Robin)
1.   Kilkenny   v   Dublin   11.5.2019   Nowlan Park   7.00pm
Round 5 (Round Robin)
1.   Wexford   v   Kilkenny    15.6.2019   Innovate Wexford Park   7.00pm

Wexford haven’t really delivered on their potential imo.Anyway it is good to see a competitive situation in Leinster
I wish the GAA would pump as much money into Ulster hurling as they did in Dublin
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on April 26, 2019, 07:13:12 PM
Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.

Leinster should be really good this year - Dubs, Kk, Wexford and Galway all in the running - no disrespect to the others.

No Scruff or Cillian Buckley. Delaney out at start. Cats glad to have T.J. and the lads back.

Dublin, always improving under Kenny, should give everybody their fill of it.  In fairness, they should have beat KK in PP last year but they lost Keaney at a crucial time.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 26, 2019, 11:47:03 PM

Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.

Leinster should be really good this year - Dubs, Kk, Wexford and Galway all in the running - no disrespect to the others.

No Scruff or Cillian Buckley. Delaney out at start. Cats glad to have T.J. and the lads back.

Dublin, always improving under Kenny, should give everybody their fill of it.  In fairness, they should have beat KK in PP last year but they lost Keaney at a crucial time.
By others, you mean Carlow
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on April 27, 2019, 12:05:38 AM

Eoin Murphy out with an injury in a club game would be a huge blow for Kilkenny.

Where they're at in their development means getting out of Leinster is not a formality especially if Dublin continue to improve under Matty Kenny.

If Cody doesn't make the top three in Leinster then I can see him going.

Leinster should be really good this year - Dubs, Kk, Wexford and Galway all in the running - no disrespect to the others.

No Scruff or Cillian Buckley. Delaney out at start. Cats glad to have T.J. and the lads back.

Dublin, always improving under Kenny, should give everybody their fill of it.  In fairness, they should have beat KK in PP last year but they lost Keaney at a crucial time.
By others, you mean Carlow

Yes.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 27, 2019, 07:31:01 AM
I expect Carlow to give every game a right good rattle.
It's good for the game to see them up there.

When you think that there is more hurling in kildare, Westmeath, offaly, Laois and Meath then there is an opportunity for those counties to get up there
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on April 27, 2019, 08:08:55 AM
I expect Carlow to give every game a right good rattle.
It's good for the game to see them up there.

When you think that there is more hurling in kildare, Westmeath, offaly, Laois and Meath then there is an opportunity for those counties to get up there

I agree. They'll give it a good rattle but, in my opinion, I think that playing tough championship games on a regular basis will test their panel. Being out nearly week on week is tough going.

One of their problems for me is disclipline - they need to settle the heads in big games.  Always prone to red cards. Bonnar needs to sort that I think.  Hard enough to play with 15!

I think the Joe Mc Donagh competition is a super competition - not much between the teams.  Only problem is no tv coverage.  Gaa needs to get it covered by a live game every week and a highlights show on Sundsy evening.  There's a market for it but the Gaa, for whatever reason, seem disinterested.

Personally, I'd give it to TG4.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2019, 01:52:17 PM
I expect Carlow to give every game a right good rattle.
It's good for the game to see them up there.

When you think that there is more hurling in kildare, Westmeath, offaly, Laois and Meath then there is an opportunity for those counties to get up there

I agree. They'll give it a good rattle but, in my opinion, I think that playing tough championship games on a regular basis will test their panel. Being out nearly week on week is tough going.

One of their problems for me is disclipline - they need to settle the heads in big games.  Always prone to red cards. Bonnar needs to sort that I think.  Hard enough to play with 15!

I think the Joe Mc Donagh competition is a super competition - not much between the teams.  Only problem is no tv coverage.  Gaa needs to get it covered by a live game every week and a highlights show on Sundsy evening.  There's a market for it but the Gaa, for whatever reason, seem disinterested.

Personally, I'd give it to TG4.

Good shout for McDonagh cup, nothing between the teams, very impressed with the standard, well below the top five but it’s a target for these upcoming teams. TG4 should as you say get coverage.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on April 27, 2019, 04:56:15 PM
I expect Carlow to give every game a right good rattle.
It's good for the game to see them up there.

When you think that there is more hurling in kildare, Westmeath, offaly, Laois and Meath then there is an opportunity for those counties to get up there

I agree. They'll give it a good rattle but, in my opinion, I think that playing tough championship games on a regular basis will test their panel. Being out nearly week on week is tough going.

One of their problems for me is disclipline - they need to settle the heads in big games.  Always prone to red cards. Bonnar needs to sort that I think.  Hard enough to play with 15!

I think the Joe Mc Donagh competition is a super competition - not much between the teams.  Only problem is no tv coverage.  Gaa needs to get it covered by a live game every week and a highlights show on Sundsy evening.  There's a market for it but the Gaa, for whatever reason, seem disinterested.

Personally, I'd give it to TG4.

Good shout for McDonagh cup, nothing between the teams, very impressed with the standard, well below the top five but it’s a target for these upcoming teams. TG4 should as you say get coverage.

But probably too late for this year though.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 28, 2019, 10:42:09 PM
GAA top brass don't really care about those other competitions
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on April 29, 2019, 01:53:39 AM
GAA top brass don't really care about those other competitions

It's areal pity as it's a great competition.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on April 29, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
I expect Carlow to give every game a right good rattle.
It's good for the game to see them up there.

When you think that there is more hurling in kildare, Westmeath, offaly, Laois and Meath then there is an opportunity for those counties to get up there

I agree. They'll give it a good rattle but, in my opinion, I think that playing tough championship games on a regular basis will test their panel. Being out nearly week on week is tough going.

One of their problems for me is disclipline - they need to settle the heads in big games.  Always prone to red cards. Bonnar needs to sort that I think.  Hard enough to play with 15!

I think the Joe Mc Donagh competition is a super competition - not much between the teams.  Only problem is no tv coverage.  Gaa needs to get it covered by a live game every week and a highlights show on Sundsy evening.  There's a market for it but the Gaa, for whatever reason, seem disinterested.

Personally, I'd give it to TG4.

They do seem to struggle with this, but as we all know referees forget about the rules as the championship rolls on in the year.  ;)

CP don't give a shit about hurling outside the top tier, in fact Carlow are a nuisance in beating Offaly as Carlow won't bring a decent support to any games....
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: LooseCannon on April 29, 2019, 10:03:49 AM
I expect Carlow to give every game a right good rattle.
It's good for the game to see them up there.

When you think that there is more hurling in kildare, Westmeath, offaly, Laois and Meath then there is an opportunity for those counties to get up there

I agree. They'll give it a good rattle but, in my opinion, I think that playing tough championship games on a regular basis will test their panel. Being out nearly week on week is tough going.

One of their problems for me is disclipline - they need to settle the heads in big games.  Always prone to red cards. Bonnar needs to sort that I think.  Hard enough to play with 15!

I think the Joe Mc Donagh competition is a super competition - not much between the teams.  Only problem is no tv coverage.  Gaa needs to get it covered by a live game every week and a highlights show on Sundsy evening.  There's a market for it but the Gaa, for whatever reason, seem disinterested.

Personally, I'd give it to TG4.

They do seem to struggle with this, but as we all know referees forget about the rules as the championship rolls on in the year.  ;)

CP don't give a shit about hurling outside the top tier, in fact Carlow are a nuisance in beating Offaly as Carlow won't bring a decent support to any games....

In fairness, for our title, the Faithful County, our following is putrid. Not saying that I go to every game or anything like it, but I do my best, circumstances permitting.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 19, 2019, 10:54:17 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-kilkenny-s-leaders-delivered-right-on-cue-1.3960660

"When I played for Kilkenny, we always prided ourselves on going for the jugular when the chance arose. Go out, score early, score early after half-time, kill teams off. All of it designed to fulfil the pre-game doubts that opposition teams had when they played us.

When the need is greatest, the leaders step up. No matter how they are performing up to that point, they hunt the ball down, make something happen. It can be anything – a hook, a shoulder, a difficult free. Subs play a huge role and Walter Walsh and Billy Ryan did that on Sunday.
Different players have different triggers. Sometimes verbal, sometimes visual. I always listened out for the 63rd minute, when the stadium announcer would send the stewards to their end-of-match positions. That always gave me a huge boost.
I would be starting to lag on energy, gasping for oxygen after a gruelling game shadowing a top player. I’d be starting to feel the blisters bleeding underfoot, sucking for air. But I always found strength in the stadium announcer.
It meant I could now see the finish line. Just one more push and we are there. Looking up at the scoreboard at that time and seeing us ahead for a second was a big refocus juncture. I always wanted to meet whoever that chap was in Croke Park to thank him for his words of inspiration, even though he couldn’t have known.
He was probably a Kilkenny man!"
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 21, 2019, 07:41:39 PM
Kilkenny will come up short next day out. I’d be very surprised if Limerick allow themselves to fall into the trap of thinking they are already in the final. Be a tighter game than expected and Kilkenny’s win over a fancied (I didn’t fancy Cork) Cork team will have refocused the heads and brought them down a level, considering how well Cork handled Limerick this year.

Looking forward to it
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on July 21, 2019, 09:48:17 PM
Kilkenny will come up short next day out. I’d be very surprised if Limerick allow themselves to fall into the trap of thinking they are already in the final. Be a tighter game than expected and Kilkenny’s win over a fancied (I didn’t fancy Cork) Cork team will have refocused the heads and brought them down a level, considering how well Cork handled Limerick this year.

Looking forward to it

Should be good. Looking forward to it also.  Good range of scorers from KK last day out.  First time in a while that they've got such a good range of scorers, outwith T.J. - also he didn't trouble the man in the white suit much from play.  Others standing up now.  Hopefully it'll continue on Saturday evening!

Limerick will be physically strong all over.  KK need to keep Limerick's half-back busy i.e. match them physically and stop quality ball going into Gillane, Casey and Mulcahy srl.

Big difference could be Limerick's bench - good options off the bench.  KK will have no fear of Limerick, especially in Croke Park and in a semi-final.

Should be a cracker!
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on July 22, 2019, 11:10:40 AM
Kilkenny will come up short next day out. I’d be very surprised if Limerick allow themselves to fall into the trap of thinking they are already in the final. Be a tighter game than expected and Kilkenny’s win over a fancied (I didn’t fancy Cork) Cork team will have refocused the heads and brought them down a level, considering how well Cork handled Limerick this year.

Looking forward to it

Should be good. Looking forward to it also.  Good range of scorers from KK last day out.  First time in a while that they've got such a good range of scorers, outwith T.J. - also he didn't trouble the man in the white suit much from play.  Others standing up now.  Hopefully it'll continue on Saturday evening!

Limerick will be physically strong all over.  KK need to keep Limerick's half-back busy i.e. match them physically and stop quality ball going into Gillane, Casey and Mulcahy srl.

Big difference could be Limerick's bench - good options off the bench.  KK will have no fear of Limerick, especially in Croke Park and in a semi-final.

Should be a cracker!

You'd have to say that the Limerick defence are infinitely better than Corks and won't/shouldn't concede scores and the physical, confrontational battle like Cork did against Kilkenny. Big Walter and Fennelly caused Cork a world of pain. Fennelly might still cause Casey some issues but a deep lying Hannon will need to cut out those balls.
Sean Finn may need to be dispatched onto Reid and that could be worth the entrance fee alone if it does happen. Two players at the top of their games going at it.

Kilkenny will need to prevent the big men like Kyle Hayes and Hegarty running at their defence as they're both deceptively quick and they too will go for the jugular if the Kilkenny defence parts like the red sea.

Kilkenny still haven't found a sticky corner back to curtail the likes of a Guillane as Pauric Walsh was really struggling with Cadogan and TBH Kilkenny aren't getting the best out of him in their either.

Limerick big favourites, but you'd be a fool to write off Kilkenny.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on July 26, 2019, 11:12:53 AM
Daithi Regan on KK

https://mobile.twitter.com/offtheball/status/1154442099304980482
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on August 19, 2019, 04:18:14 PM
Codyness

By Eoghan Cormican

The Kilkenny-Limerick All-Ireland semi-final was just over nine minutes old when Tom Morrissey, back inside his own 65-metre line and facing his own goal, came onto a breaking ball and attempted to turn his body in the direction of the Hill 16 End.
First TJ Reid swarmed in, then a John Donnelly challenge stood Morrissey upright and stopped him dead in his tracks. Adrian Mullen and Richie Leahy arrived on scene to complete the gang-tackle, the Limerick half-forward hemmed in by four black and amber shirts.
It was Mullen who performed the pick-pocketing act before sending the sliotar between the posts at the Davin End to move the Cats five clear. If ever a single passage of play perfectly captured — and defined — Cody-ness, then this was it

Codyness

“What do you think?” Cody asks the reporter

“He made contact to the head with his elbow.”

“He made contact. So you are very, very definite?”

Reporter nods.

“Fair play to you.”
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 19, 2019, 08:55:08 PM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: AZOffaly on August 19, 2019, 09:30:25 PM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up

Crazy stuff. Cathal Barrett must have had repetitive strain injury from all the balls he was catching and pucking out.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on August 19, 2019, 09:35:31 PM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up
They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 20, 2019, 12:09:01 AM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up
They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times

I thought most teams have people on the sideline for that sort of thing
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on August 20, 2019, 09:03:07 AM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up
They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times

I thought most teams have people on the sideline for that sort of thing
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-kilkenny-s-leaders-delivered-right-on-cue-1.3960660
"When the need is greatest, the leaders step up. No matter how they are performing up to that point, they hunt the ball down, make something happen"
....When I played for Kilkenny, we always prided ourselves on going for the jugular when the chance arose. Go out, score early, score early after half-time, kill teams off. All of it designed to fulfil the pre-game doubts that opposition teams had when they played us."

So they don't have the leaders . Not yet
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 20, 2019, 10:17:30 AM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up
They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times

I thought most teams have people on the sideline for that sort of thing
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-kilkenny-s-leaders-delivered-right-on-cue-1.3960660
"When the need is greatest, the leaders step up. No matter how they are performing up to that point, they hunt the ball down, make something happen"
....When I played for Kilkenny, we always prided ourselves on going for the jugular when the chance arose. Go out, score early, score early after half-time, kill teams off. All of it designed to fulfil the pre-game doubts that opposition teams had when they played us."

So they don't have the leaders . Not yet

TJ has probably been the stand out leader of the season but if he’s getting cleaned out by Heffernan and Maher and the ball is dropping in short Barret was free to sweep it up. Once they went a man short on Sunday they went short twice from the puck out and it lead to scores, they went long 23 times and it yielded two scores.
The sideline didn’t react like sheedy and tommy dunne did in the first half (swapped Seamus Kennedy and P Maher) which turned the game to advantage Tipp
Did Cody not watch the semi when Wexford worked the ball through the lines they had Tipp on the rack, then went 5 up with a spare man but there midfield blew up and they went long Tipp just gobbled them up.
Cody’s arrogance that TJ and Fennely could win ball against Tipp when they had an extra body blew any chance of a revival. All this Kilkenny don’t do tactics has bit them in the ass
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: clonadmad on August 20, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up
They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times

The KK 15 team that took the pitch had 40 all ireland medals between them,dont be swallowing the inexperienced or rebuilding line,their tactics were laughable to say the least.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 20, 2019, 10:50:37 AM
Tipp made a concerted effort not to foul TJ when he had possession and never used their free hand to grab him and allow him generate a free, they generally kept him with his back to goal during the game too. How many times did he get the ball going forward?
Limerick were guilty of fouling him numerous times in the semi
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 20, 2019, 11:21:07 AM
Tipp made a concerted effort not to foul TJ when he had possession and never used their free hand to grab him and allow him generate a free, they generally kept him with his back to goal during the game too. How many times did he get the ball going forward?
Limerick were guilty of fouling him numerous times in the semi

Couldn’t agree more
Tipp defenders attacked the ball so TJ couldn’t buy the free when he wins possession. One of the best in the game but he doesn’t mind going down easy and popping over a dead ball
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on August 20, 2019, 03:39:01 PM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up
They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times

The KK 15 team that took the pitch had 40 all ireland medals between them,dont be swallowing the inexperienced or rebuilding line,their tactics were laughable to say the least.
They had more than a few young players who never played in an AIF before.
Winning is about building a cohesive team that plays to a system and gets into the right rhythm. It doesn't matter how many medals the older lads have if the young lads can't perform under pressure. When a team loses a few players have off days .
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: clonadmad on August 20, 2019, 05:40:03 PM
thought they completely ran out of ideas yesterday

launching long ball after long ball in, in the hope Fennelly or TJ might get onto it
Heffernan cleaned up
They don't have much experience as a team, I suppose
The previous version of KK would have known what to do . Shefflin  would have dragged them back into the match , for example.
Although 14 on 15 is a hard ask at the best of times

The KK 15 team that took the pitch had 40 all ireland medals between them,dont be swallowing the inexperienced or rebuilding line,their tactics were laughable to say the least.
They had more than a few young players who never played in an AIF before.
Winning is about building a cohesive team that plays to a system and gets into the right rhythm. It doesn't matter how many medals the older lads have if the young lads can't perform under pressure. When a team loses a few players have off days .

It wasn’t the young players that let them down,a lot of the older crew simply didn’t perform or weren’t up to it,that and Cody’s caveman tactics contributed to them getting a trimming.

He stood looking in 2016 as the Tipp Full Forward line scored 2-21 and did nothing either.

 
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 20, 2019, 08:49:16 PM
Would you listen to yas! We are talking about Cody, his teams have out performed the Tipps, Corks, Limericks Waterfords since he took over!

They duffed Limerick handy enough and while the first half they didn’t finish as strong as they would have liked they were still in the game.

The sending off was huge, (justified)  especially since they were to sub Hogan! Granted lumping the ball into a full forward line that was out muscled by an extra man wasn’t the best move, but you can’t assassinate the man for one defeat.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on August 20, 2019, 09:08:57 PM
My thinking on it was right, in at half-time and KK will play to a system.  Regroup, play the short game and try to tip (pardon the pun) over a few points and stay in game.  Game  of Tipp V Wexford should have told them to go short and keep the scoreboard ticking over.

Was disappointing that KK went for the long ball too early - very similar to the Wexfod Lenister Final game, where they lobbed the ball into the square with 5 or 6 mins early. 

On Sunday, no need to force the goal so early, keep the points going.  Plus when they stationed T.J., Walter and Fennelly in the square, there was zero movement laterally across the line.

I was just hoping, with 15mins at half-time, they'd have better tactics for the second half.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: clonadmad on August 20, 2019, 10:17:07 PM
Would you listen to yas! We are talking about Cody, his teams have out performed the Tipps, Corks, Limericks Waterfords since he took over!

They duffed Limerick handy enough and while the first half they didn’t finish as strong as they would have liked they were still in the game.

The sending off was huge, (justified)  especially since they were to sub Hogan! Granted lumping the ball into a full forward line that was out muscled by an extra man wasn’t the best move, but you can’t assassinate the man for one defeat.

Tipp and Kk have played each other in 6 deciders

It stands at 3 apiece now,

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Cody is some man to set up a team when it has to be done on the fly not so much.

Lamping ball after ball into a Tipp full back line where Barrett was operating as the extra man and where the dogs in the street knew that the Tipp backs would foul continuously if ran at was an inexplicable  error

That’s even before we get to him playing an injured Buckley,Hogan who was struggling even in the warm up and Adrian Mullen who spent a night on a drip midweek in St.Lukes,You’d wonder why he hadn’t learnt from Tennyson and Shefflin in 2010

In 2016,The Tipp Full Forward line scored 2-21 and he didn’t very little to counter act this despite having the likes of Jackie Tyrell in the stand.

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 20, 2019, 11:28:05 PM
Would you listen to yas! We are talking about Cody, his teams have out performed the Tipps, Corks, Limericks Waterfords since he took over!

They duffed Limerick handy enough and while the first half they didn’t finish as strong as they would have liked they were still in the game.

The sending off was huge, (justified)  especially since they were to sub Hogan! Granted lumping the ball into a full forward line that was out muscled by an extra man wasn’t the best move, but you can’t assassinate the man for one defeat.

“They duffed Limerick handy enough”
Lol limerick didn’t show up to the second half, shot 15 wides and it still took a controversial decision about the 65 for KK to get past them.
He has only beat a sheedy team in a final once and needed a dodgy penalty to do it.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on August 21, 2019, 09:09:54 AM
You need more than luck to win an all Ireland.
KK were lucky that Lee Chin missed a free back in June and got another bit in the semi final.
They had to score a goal in the third quarter and kick on but they couldn't.
 
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2019, 01:05:36 PM
Would you listen to yas! We are talking about Cody, his teams have out performed the Tipps, Corks, Limericks Waterfords since he took over!

They duffed Limerick handy enough and while the first half they didn’t finish as strong as they would have liked they were still in the game.

The sending off was huge, (justified)  especially since they were to sub Hogan! Granted lumping the ball into a full forward line that was out muscled by an extra man wasn’t the best move, but you can’t assassinate the man for one defeat.

“They duffed Limerick handy enough”
Lol limerick didn’t show up to the second half, shot 15 wides and it still took a controversial decision about the 65 for KK to get past them.
He has only beat a sheedy team in a final once and needed a dodgy penalty to do it.

One could argue that Kilkenny didnt allow Limerick to have tap overs and the pressure put on the Limerick lads to shot resulted in 15 wides. Controversial or not, Kikenny wee by far the better team on the day and didnt look like losing.

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 21, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
Would you listen to yas! We are talking about Cody, his teams have out performed the Tipps, Corks, Limericks Waterfords since he took over!

They duffed Limerick handy enough and while the first half they didn’t finish as strong as they would have liked they were still in the game.

The sending off was huge, (justified)  especially since they were to sub Hogan! Granted lumping the ball into a full forward line that was out muscled by an extra man wasn’t the best move, but you can’t assassinate the man for one defeat.

“They duffed Limerick handy enough”
Lol limerick didn’t show up to the second half, shot 15 wides and it still took a controversial decision about the 65 for KK to get past them.
He has only beat a sheedy team in a final once and needed a dodgy penalty to do it.

One could argue that Kilkenny didnt allow Limerick to have tap overs and the pressure put on the Limerick lads to shot resulted in 15 wides. Controversial or not, Kikenny wee by far the better team on the day and didnt look like losing.

Did you watch the match, the main talking points about the match was the wides when they weren’t under pressure
Limerick are the best team in the  Country and blew it in the semi against a very average KK side that had been beaten twice this year already.
Cody gets a lot of credit for managing the best crop of players that ever lifted hurls. Now without embarrassing resources he maybe showing us he’s maybe not the genius the national press portray him to be.
When tipps forwards ripped them apart in 2016 he left his FB line exposed and did nothing for the whole match.
When His team was lobbing aimless ball on top of Cahal Barret and the mahers he did nothing again.
All managers and players are subjected to scrutiny when it goes wrong on here why should he be any different.
This thread isn’t called “ let’s all nut hug Kilkenny” is it
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2019, 02:04:44 PM
Would you listen to yas! We are talking about Cody, his teams have out performed the Tipps, Corks, Limericks Waterfords since he took over!

They duffed Limerick handy enough and while the first half they didn’t finish as strong as they would have liked they were still in the game.

The sending off was huge, (justified)  especially since they were to sub Hogan! Granted lumping the ball into a full forward line that was out muscled by an extra man wasn’t the best move, but you can’t assassinate the man for one defeat.

“They duffed Limerick handy enough”
Lol limerick didn’t show up to the second half, shot 15 wides and it still took a controversial decision about the 65 for KK to get past them.
He has only beat a sheedy team in a final once and needed a dodgy penalty to do it.

One could argue that Kilkenny didnt allow Limerick to have tap overs and the pressure put on the Limerick lads to shot resulted in 15 wides. Controversial or not, Kikenny wee by far the better team on the day and didnt look like losing.

Did you watch the match, the main talking points about the match was the wides when they weren’t under pressure
Limerick are the best team in the  Country and blew it in the semi against a very average KK side that had been beaten twice this year already.
Cody gets a lot of credit for managing the best crop of players that ever lifted hurls. Now without embarrassing resources he maybe showing us he’s maybe not the genius the national press portray him to be.
When tipps forwards ripped them apart in 2016 he left his FB line exposed and did nothing for the whole match.
When His team was lobbing aimless ball on top of Cahal Barret and the mahers he did nothing again.
All managers and players are subjected to scrutiny when it goes wrong on here why should he be any different.
This thread isn’t called “ let’s all nut hug Kilkenny” is it

Its not and I'm in agreemnet that Hogan should have been sent off and that Tipp started to look hungry leading up to the sending off and if Kilkenny hadn't changed their match ups in the second half they'd have been in trouble.

I also mentioned lumbing balls into the forward line was wrong.. I didnt say the Cat's were hard done by but I'll not be judging a mans career on this match, I'm not saying thats what people are doing but it comes across slightly that he was devoid of ideas, he was playing with what he had, I'd say injuries didnt help and not performing on the day (second half mainly) resulted in a poor performance from all involved. His players need to take some of the blame here also.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: north_antrim_hound on August 21, 2019, 02:22:19 PM
What was wrong with saying Buckley is struggling on Mc grath and Connor Browne had done a great job on Lynch in the semis but no he left Buckley who is just back from injury on Noel Mc Grath who continued to deliver in the balls that did all the damage.
Get on top in midfield and work the ball through the lines like the first half when they got fouled for all those frees.
Ok a clown like me needs the benefit of hindsight but he’s supposed to be the dogs danglys when it comes to reading the game in real time.
Maybe I’m giving him loads because he’s been very ungracious about the referee and blaming him when it’s was hogan who blew it. He wasn’t whining as much when Tommy Dunne got the line a few years back or when kirwan gave them a soft penalty.
If every call ( 65 at the death )was made right in the semi sure they might not be there
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 21, 2019, 05:15:50 PM
What was wrong with saying Buckley is struggling on Mc grath and Connor Browne had done a great job on Lynch in the semis but no he left Buckley who is just back from injury on Noel Mc Grath who continued to deliver in the balls that did all the damage.
Get on top in midfield and work the ball through the lines like the first half when they got fouled for all those frees.
Ok a clown like me needs the benefit of hindsight but he’s supposed to be the dogs danglys when it comes to reading the game in real time.
Maybe I’m giving him loads because he’s been very ungracious about the referee and blaming him when it’s was hogan who blew it. He wasn’t whining as much when Tommy Dunne got the line a few years back or when kirwan gave them a soft penalty.
If every call ( 65 at the death )was made right in the semi sure they might not be there

He's very hard on things relating to 'his' team, very Fergie like in a way, he's plenty of faults but in real time on big occasions (and he's seen plenty) you can only do so much from the line. As a manager, you feel that in games and I'm only taking about club games, can you imagine trying to reassemble your team after losing a player in the big match? 

My concern was that he'd all of halftime to fix it and his plan didnt pay off! His leadership and track record speaks for itself and I'll not be too hard on him, plenty can't wait to see the back of him, I wonder how they talk about him in Kilkenny?
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: gallsman on August 21, 2019, 10:04:09 PM

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Ten years later, are people still really trying to push this myth?

Have seen a lot of guff proclaiming tipp the team of the decade on Twitter since Sunday. Since "this" Tipp team emerged in '09 they've had, by my count, 8 championship meetings with 2014 counting as one meeting. It's 5-3 to KK with 3 all Irelands each, an almighty drubbing in the 2012 semi for KK included. Kk have also beaten then in four League finals in that period, with Tipp failing to win a single League title. Does anyone who is capable of ignoring recency bias actually think Tipp are the team of the decade?!

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: manfromdelmonte on August 22, 2019, 08:58:21 AM
I always discount semi finals

They are there to be won or lost
They often have no reflection on a final
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on August 22, 2019, 09:29:28 AM

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Ten years later, are people still really trying to push this myth?

Have seen a lot of guff proclaiming tipp the team of the decade on Twitter since Sunday. Since "this" Tipp team emerged in '09 they've had, by my count, 8 championship meetings with 2014 counting as one meeting. It's 5-3 to KK with 3 all Irelands each, an almighty drubbing in the 2012 semi for KK included. Kk have also beaten then in four League finals in that period, with Tipp failing to win a single League title. Does anyone who is capable of ignoring recency bias actually think Tipp are the team of the decade?!

Kilkenny still lifted 4 AI's in this decade to 3 for Tipp, so it's KK for me even if it was the earlier part of the decade and not as fresh in peoples minds.

Cody has managed KK to 11 AI's, that will need be achieved again, but as someone alluded to he also like Fergie may be outstaying his welcome and like Fergie may have stayed for one last horrah (Fergie managed his) and failed.

The style of hurling has changed, but at times you think Kilkenny are still sticking with the tried and tested, outwork and overpower your opponent, force the errors and punish them on the scoreboard.

Not a lot wrong with that, but when some team competes and betters you in the physicality stakes, nullifies your best players you need something more than putting TJ, Walter and Fennelly under a high ball and hope for the best.
It smacks of lack of trust in the young guns and yes, they're not Henry Shefflins, Eddie Brennans or Eoin Larkins, but at least play ball in that suits their skillset.

I can see Paul Murphy hang up the boots, there's a year or two left in TJ Reid and probably Fennelly. Wally needs to become a leader and failed miserably at that when out caught two or three times by Heffernan and the Mahers in the second half. He failed to stand up.  Buckley is a fine hurler but the long injury spell affected him badly and he should be a more formidable player next year.
Hogan, I'm not so sure about. Yes, terrible way for him to go out but I really can't see Cody (If he goes another year) doing sentiment as you get the impression that Cody doesn't totally buy into him now.

Big Lawlor at fullback is a find all the same and the much maligned Joey Holden had a stormer of a year.
They may have rode their luck to get to an AI final, but Kilkenny will never be too far away.

Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: imtommygunn on August 22, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
Jc Ferguson won the league in his last year with a poor squad, imo if kk had won Sunday it would have been maybe his greatest victory in a similar vein. Sunday’s team has nowhere near the ability of his winning teams and on paper should have been beat out the gate by limerick.

I also think it is a genuinely held belief that hogan shouldn’t have been sent off rather than an excuse. It’s wrong but at least genuine...
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: clonadmad on August 22, 2019, 10:08:03 AM

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Ten years later, are people still really trying to push this myth?

Have seen a lot of guff proclaiming tipp the team of the decade on Twitter since Sunday. Since "this" Tipp team emerged in '09 they've had, by my count, 8 championship meetings with 2014 counting as one meeting. It's 5-3 to KK with 3 all Irelands each, an almighty drubbing in the 2012 semi for KK included. Kk have also beaten then in four League finals in that period, with Tipp failing to win a single League title. Does anyone who is capable of ignoring recency bias actually think Tipp are the team of the decade?!

It will be up there with the myth soon enough of Hogan not getting sent off and then Kk winning in 19.

The only currency that counts in either county is  all ireland wins

And it now stands at 3 apiece.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on August 22, 2019, 10:12:41 AM

09 Tipp could have and should have beaten Kk,in 14 they were millmetres from beating them

In those 3 finals that they have lost ,Tipp have beaten them by a cumulative total of 31 points.

Ten years later, are people still really trying to push this myth?

Have seen a lot of guff proclaiming tipp the team of the decade on Twitter since Sunday. Since "this" Tipp team emerged in '09 they've had, by my count, 8 championship meetings with 2014 counting as one meeting. It's 5-3 to KK with 3 all Irelands each, an almighty drubbing in the 2012 semi for KK included. Kk have also beaten then in four League finals in that period, with Tipp failing to win a single League title. Does anyone who is capable of ignoring recency bias actually think Tipp are the team of the decade?!

Kilkenny still lifted 4 AI's in this decade to 3 for Tipp, so it's KK for me even if it was the earlier part of the decade and not as fresh in peoples minds.

Cody has managed KK to 11 AI's, that will need be achieved again, but as someone alluded to he also like Fergie may be outstaying his welcome and like Fergie may have stayed for one last horrah (Fergie managed his) and failed.

The style of hurling has changed, but at times you think Kilkenny are still sticking with the tried and tested, outwork and overpower your opponent, force the errors and punish them on the scoreboard.

Not a lot wrong with that, but when some team competes and betters you in the physicality stakes, nullifies your best players you need something more than putting TJ, Walter and Fennelly under a high ball and hope for the best.
It smacks of lack of trust in the young guns and yes, they're not Henry Shefflins, Eddie Brennans or Eoin Larkins, but at least play ball in that suits their skillset.

I can see Paul Murphy hang up the boots, there's a year or two left in TJ Reid and probably Fennelly. Wally needs to become a leader and failed miserably at that when out caught two or three times by Heffernan and the Mahers in the second half. He failed to stand up.  Buckley is a fine hurler but the long injury spell affected him badly and he should be a more formidable player next year.
Hogan, I'm not so sure about. Yes, terrible way for him to go out but I really can't see Cody (If he goes another year) doing sentiment as you get the impression that Cody doesn't totally buy into him now.

Big Lawlor at fullback is a find all the same and the much maligned Joey Holden had a stormer of a year.
They may have rode their luck to get to an AI final, but Kilkenny will never be too far away.

John Donnelly a great addidition at half forward - probably KK's best player on the day.

Adrian Mullen will probably get YHOTH so plenty of potential with Lawlor at full back.  Conor Browne showed really well in last few matches. Young but the experience will stsnd to him. All in all, a very good year for KK.

Darren Mullen, Adrian's brother, has a good chance at corner back next year.  Hurled really well in Ballyhale's AI run this year.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: NAG1 on August 22, 2019, 12:10:40 PM
Hard to argue with anything that has been said, its a good debate.

IMO Kilkenny ran out of ideas very quickly, think this probably shows their lack of a squad too. Cody couldnt turn around at HT and change personnel to counter act what they knew would be coming from Tipp with the extra man. So he reverted to type.

Maybe the game has moved on from this type of hurling and KK havent moved with it.

KK extremely lucky to make the final but probably got shown up for where they are currently, slightly short.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on August 22, 2019, 12:26:20 PM
Hard to argue with anything that has been said, its a good debate.

IMO Kilkenny ran out of ideas very quickly, think this probably shows their lack of a squad too. Cody couldnt turn around at HT and change personnel to counter act what they knew would be coming from Tipp with the extra man. So he reverted to type.

Maybe the game has moved on from this type of hurling and KK havent moved with it.

KK extremely lucky to make the final but probably got shown up for where they are currently, slightly short.

Cody threw on a few speedsters yet the ball from defence was still high and central.

Didn't make much sense.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: NAG1 on August 22, 2019, 02:51:32 PM
Hard to argue with anything that has been said, its a good debate.

IMO Kilkenny ran out of ideas very quickly, think this probably shows their lack of a squad too. Cody couldnt turn around at HT and change personnel to counter act what they knew would be coming from Tipp with the extra man. So he reverted to type.

Maybe the game has moved on from this type of hurling and KK havent moved with it.

KK extremely lucky to make the final but probably got shown up for where they are currently, slightly short.

Cody threw on a few speedsters yet the ball from defence was still high and central.

Didn't make much sense.

Yeah they needed stick men to keep and hold the ball and work it up the field and create opportunities to get back into the game.

Weren't able to do so, but the long ball in was a tactical nightmare.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: marty34 on August 22, 2019, 03:04:46 PM
Part of the problem, I think, stemed from the lack of man-marking Noel Mc Grath.  A man of that ability can't be swanning about the middle third dictating play.  He's an unreal hurler - can pick a pass that no-one else can see.  A bit like a quarter-back in that he always makes things happen for Tipp, where ever he plays.  This year Sheedy gave him that free role around mid-field and he'll be in the running for Player of the Year I'd say.

With thi, KK should have told Browne to never leave his side.  Go everywhere with him and don't worry about the ball.  Just negate his influence on the game.

That's the first match up I'd have made.  All good in hindsight but I'd have thought this was clear last 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on March 04, 2020, 04:44:23 PM
Alert,
     The manliness levels are being raised up a notch........

http://www.hoganstand.com/County/National/Article/Index/309350 (http://www.hoganstand.com/County/National/Article/Index/309350)
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: seafoid on March 04, 2020, 07:43:04 PM
Alert,
     The manliness levels are being raised up a notch........

http://www.hoganstand.com/County/National/Article/Index/309350 (http://www.hoganstand.com/County/National/Article/Index/309350)
Good man Eddie..He would want to be careful.with the manliness though. A trans posse could hear about it.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on January 12, 2021, 11:02:18 AM
Cody going another year but DJ steps down from the management team.

Don't think either move is good for Kilkenny at this stage.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2021, 01:14:05 PM
Cody going another year but DJ steps down from the management team.

Don't think either move is good for Kilkenny at this stage.

Whoever steps in will have a job on his hands, it'll be like when Fergie left Utd
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: johnnycool on January 13, 2021, 03:02:32 PM
Cody going another year but DJ steps down from the management team.

Don't think either move is good for Kilkenny at this stage.

Whoever steps in will have a job on his hands, it'll be like when Fergie left Utd

Whoever steps in can't go and buy whoever in the transfer market.

I think Kilkenny needed a change for 2021 and the reasons being is their reliance on TJ Reid who's a fantastic hurler but on the way down age wise and it would have been good for the new management to have him at least still at the top of his game for a year or two. With Cody going again that will be denied to the new management and you can see by the way Kilkenny play they're between game styles both on and off the field in 2020. They tried to go through the lines in some games but when the pressure game on both the players and Cody reverted to type with long direct balls into the forwards.
They got lucky against Galway as the long ball caught Galway out and both Reid and Hogan capitalised. That didn't work for them against Waterford who dominated the airways and certainly wouldn't work if they come up against Limerick.
New management with new ideas are required down on Noreside.
Title: Re: Kilkenny
Post by: imtommygunn on January 13, 2021, 03:06:33 PM
I actually think he's possibly over achieving though do agree it's time for a change. TJ's age is not in their favour. There are a number of younger guys there who do have decent ability though but leadership wise Walsh being the age he is won't help either.

I don't believe they would have beat Galway this year or Limerick last with a different manager. (Just an opinion as we'll never know!)