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Title: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: MoChara on November 12, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is

With Anthony Cunningham effectively prevented from taking his place in the dugout at Fenway Park for the AIG Hurling Classic, it was clear that additional time had done little to cool tensions. The players vs Cunningham row was not about to sort itself out. And that's clear more than ever now that the mediation process has come to an end.

The following statement has been released on Thursday morning after the end of the mediation process.

The Galway County Committee met last evening to discuss the full background of the current impasse between the 2015 Senior Hurling Panel and the Senior Management Team and to hear the outcome of the mediation process.

The mediation process has concluded and the Independent Mediator has determined that despite best efforts there was little, if no, possibility of the Parties reaching common agreement, on the substantive issue.

At this stage all reasonable efforts have been made to resolve the impasse.

The County Committee will meet again on Monday evening next, 16th November, to make a decision on the matter.

All of us appreciate how difficult this situation has been, not least for the our Players, the Management Team and their families. We are hopeful that the matter will be concluded on Monday next so that we can begin to rebuild and look to the Hurling season ahead, with confidence.
The players aren't changing their mind and Cunningham seems to be in no mood to back down. Mediation was unlikely to ever have an effect and now that has proven to be the case. All that's left seems to be for the county board to make a final decision. It seems we'll get that after next Monday's meeting and one way or another, the bitter row is unlikely to be sorted out with everyone duly pleased.

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/latest-developments-in-galway-hurling-saga-show-how-bleak-the-situation-is/315645
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: theskull1 on November 12, 2015, 01:53:47 PM
Is there monies or principles involved in the managerial stance here?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 12, 2015, 02:25:25 PM
What is the 'substantive' issue?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Bord na Mona man on November 12, 2015, 02:56:44 PM
Cunningham can either walk the plank now or drag it out and go down with the sinking ship.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 12, 2015, 03:01:07 PM
Cunningham can either walk the plank now or drag it out and go down with the sinking ship.

I can't see what Cunningham has to gain by dragging this out, he's on a hiding to nothing. Time to let the players paddle their own canoe, but rest assured if they come up short again next year it'll be someone elses fault, and if they go out and win the AI, then the players will be vindicated!

Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: theskull1 on November 12, 2015, 03:21:24 PM
2 possible reasons

The players are doing 'a cork' and he wants to show them up, or there might be severance pay if he holds his ground and is forced out by the county board?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Bord na Mona man on November 12, 2015, 03:22:19 PM
Cunningham can either walk the plank now or drag it out and go down with the sinking ship.

I can't see what Cunningham has to gain by dragging this out, he's on a hiding to nothing. Time to let the players paddle their own canoe, but rest assured if they come up short again next year it'll be someone elses fault, and if they go out and win the AI, then the players will be vindicated!
Yeah, Justin McCarthy gained little from sticking it out in Limerick and fielding a rabble.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 12, 2015, 03:22:34 PM
Severence pay?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: theskull1 on November 12, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
I think you know what I mean by AZ. I'm only wondering.

Plenty of managers like to make good money from the GAA although its not a world I know much about. I know nothing about AC, so its just an innocent query.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 12, 2015, 04:57:06 PM
How has this been difficult for the players? It seems to me in these situations that it's tails they win heads he loses.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Syferus on November 12, 2015, 06:04:21 PM
I think you know what I mean by AZ. I'm only wondering.

Plenty of managers like to make good money from the GAA although its not a world I know much about. I know nothing about AC, so its just an innocent query.

Cunningham isn't in this for money. Would be demand in many counties in both codes and he'd have far less headaches from petulant players. He is about the most passionate man about Galway hurling that you'll find.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 12, 2015, 07:38:59 PM
Wouldn't happen in Kilkenny
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 13, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
Wouldn't happen in Kilkenny

Of course it would.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Bord na Mona man on November 13, 2015, 11:19:14 AM
Wouldn't happen in Kilkenny

Of course it would.
Take out the freak Cody factor and Kilkenny was as toxic as any other county back in the day.
The difference being that the hurling folk there never left it ambiguous when a manager's time was up.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 13, 2015, 11:24:14 AM
Take out the freak Cody factor and Kilkenny was as toxic as any other county back in the day.
The difference being that the hurling folk there never left it ambiguous when a manager's time was up.

Just ask Nickey Brennan. And Canice, for good measure (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/sunday-s-events-were-the-final-straw-for-brennan-1.100666).
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: mouview on November 13, 2015, 09:27:12 PM
I think you know what I mean by AZ. I'm only wondering.

Plenty of managers like to make good money from the GAA although its not a world I know much about. I know nothing about AC, so its just an innocent query.

Cunningham isn't in this for money. Would be demand in many counties in both codes and he'd have far less headaches from petulant players. He is about the most passionate man about Galway hurling that you'll find.

Passion alone not enough; you want a cool tactician on the line to make the right calls when things going against you.
I'm one of the most passionate fans you'll get but I wouldn't put me in charge.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 14, 2015, 03:20:53 PM
I think you know what I mean by AZ. I'm only wondering.

Plenty of managers like to make good money from the GAA although its not a world I know much about. I know nothing about AC, so its just an innocent query.

Cunningham isn't in this for money. Would be demand in many counties in both codes and he'd have far less headaches from petulant players. He is about the most passionate man about Galway hurling that you'll find.

Passion alone not enough; you want a cool tactician on the line to make the right calls when things going against you.
I'm one of the most passionate fans you'll get but I wouldn't put me in charge.
+1

tactics in the heat of battle and he couldn't deliver.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Duine Eile on November 15, 2015, 12:45:54 AM
And now there's claims Cunningham shouldn't have been ratified at all that fateful night because it wasn't on the official Clár for the meeting and as a result of that his ratification wasn't official, another black mark, amongst all the others, against the county board.  ::) I can't understand why Cunningham is digging his heels in, the players have been united and unmoving since this whole mess began, why would he want to walk back into that dressing room knowing he's not wanted there?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: macdanger2 on November 15, 2015, 10:57:34 AM
Yeah, regardless of the rights and wrongs of it, he should just walk away
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 16, 2015, 09:25:00 AM
I think you know what I mean by AZ. I'm only wondering.

Plenty of managers like to make good money from the GAA although its not a world I know much about. I know nothing about AC, so its just an innocent query.

Cunningham isn't in this for money. Would be demand in many counties in both codes and he'd have far less headaches from petulant players. He is about the most passionate man about Galway hurling that you'll find.

Passion alone not enough; you want a cool tactician on the line to make the right calls when things going against you.
I'm one of the most passionate fans you'll get but I wouldn't put me in charge.
+1

tactics in the heat of battle and he couldn't deliver.

I think thats a bit harsh on Cunningham. Yeah, he may have questions to answer, but surely it wasn't him who told his defence to pump high ball into the Kilkenny defence after opening them up well in the first half with good interworking and getting the ball into the spaces.
The players themselves lacked the experience and wherewithal to hold to the plan when Kilkenny came at them with all they've got. Getting rid of Cunningham may mean another man coming in and ripping the heart out of the team on yet another 3/5 year plan.
The Galway team needs a bit of fine tuning, not ripped apart yet again!

There was strange goings on with players allegedly told in advance that they'd be going on in place of someone after so many minutes and then the players sharing this information. Thats pure madness on Cunninghams part if its remotely true.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: MoChara on November 16, 2015, 09:55:39 AM
The Galway senior hurling panel last night voted against keeping Anthony Cunningham on as manager through 2016, with the majority saying the won’t line out if he remains in charge.

There had been a mediation process taking place between the players, management and county board in recent weeks. However, these talks ended without any progress, leading to last night’s vote.
RTÉ Sport understands that at last night’s meeting the players were asked two questions. The first was ‘Have you confidence in the current management?’ with 26 voting no and six voting yes. And in answer to whether or not they would hurl for the current management team, the panel voted 23-9 against.

The vote was done by secret ballot and was overseen by an independent observer.

Tonight, however, the County Board meet when the clubs will have their say on the matter.

The clubs re-appointed Cunningham shortly after the All-Ireland final loss to Kilkenny in September, but they will now be asked to re-visit that process.
Cunningham has been in charge since 2012, but members of the squad informed the board in early October that they had lost confidence in his management.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1116/742186-galway-players/
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 16, 2015, 12:01:00 PM
You have to laugh at the secret ballot nature of the vote. Is it so unreasonable to ask that the opinion of players in this matter be on the record? No manager has the luxury of their decisions not being attributed to them.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: imtommygunn on November 16, 2015, 12:08:28 PM
Then there's the 3 players who have no confidence in the current manager but would hurl for them...
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2015, 12:12:17 PM
I think you know what I mean by AZ. I'm only wondering.

Plenty of managers like to make good money from the GAA although its not a world I know much about. I know nothing about AC, so its just an innocent query.

Cunningham isn't in this for money. Would be demand in many counties in both codes and he'd have far less headaches from petulant players. He is about the most passionate man about Galway hurling that you'll find.

Passion alone not enough; you want a cool tactician on the line to make the right calls when things going against you.
I'm one of the most passionate fans you'll get but I wouldn't put me in charge.
+1

tactics in the heat of battle and he couldn't deliver.

I think thats a bit harsh on Cunningham. Yeah, he may have questions to answer, but surely it wasn't him who told his defence to pump high ball into the Kilkenny defence after opening them up well in the first half with good interworking and getting the ball into the spaces.
The players themselves lacked the experience and wherewithal to hold to the plan when Kilkenny came at them with all they've got. Getting rid of Cunningham may mean another man coming in and ripping the heart out of the team on yet another 3/5 year plan.
The Galway team needs a bit of fine tuning, not ripped apart yet again!

There was strange goings on with players allegedly told in advance that they'd be going on in place of someone after so many minutes and then the players sharing this information. Thats pure madness on Cunninghams part if its remotely true.
It was the same in the second half of the drawn 2012 AIF, Johnny.
Fine when things were going well but no answers when the cats put them on the back foot. No Plan B.
anyway all the fist pumping in the first half this year really got KKs gander up.
 
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 16, 2015, 12:15:34 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw a quote attributed to one of the Waterford panel after the heave against Michael Ryan along the lines of 'we didn't say we wanted him gone, we just said we had no confidence in him' ::)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 16, 2015, 12:22:27 PM
I think you know what I mean by AZ. I'm only wondering.

Plenty of managers like to make good money from the GAA although its not a world I know much about. I know nothing about AC, so its just an innocent query.

Cunningham isn't in this for money. Would be demand in many counties in both codes and he'd have far less headaches from petulant players. He is about the most passionate man about Galway hurling that you'll find.

Passion alone not enough; you want a cool tactician on the line to make the right calls when things going against you.
I'm one of the most passionate fans you'll get but I wouldn't put me in charge.
+1

tactics in the heat of battle and he couldn't deliver.

I think thats a bit harsh on Cunningham. Yeah, he may have questions to answer, but surely it wasn't him who told his defence to pump high ball into the Kilkenny defence after opening them up well in the first half with good interworking and getting the ball into the spaces.
The players themselves lacked the experience and wherewithal to hold to the plan when Kilkenny came at them with all they've got. Getting rid of Cunningham may mean another man coming in and ripping the heart out of the team on yet another 3/5 year plan.
The Galway team needs a bit of fine tuning, not ripped apart yet again!

There was strange goings on with players allegedly told in advance that they'd be going on in place of someone after so many minutes and then the players sharing this information. Thats pure madness on Cunninghams part if its remotely true.
It was the same in the second half of the drawn 2012 AIF, Johnny.
Fine when things were going well but no answers when the cats put them on the back foot. No Plan B.
anyway all the fist pumping in the first half this year really got KKs gander up.

the KK lads have been in the tight corners before, fist pumping isn't going to bother them, its the scoreboard that bothers them. Galway didn't have the lead their first half domination deserved. Kilkenny were always going to come out blazing, the Galway players just didn't seem to be primed for that, irrespective of Plan A, Plan B or whatever and most of these lads have been involved in 2012 as well as Cunningham.
I just think some of the players and their attitude in blaming Cunningham for their woes in AI finals is missing the point somewhat.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 01:34:57 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw a quote attributed to one of the Waterford panel after the heave against Michael Ryan along the lines of 'we didn't say we wanted him gone, we just said we had no confidence in him' ::)

This is precisely why it is a secret ballot.

The response would simply be to identify and rip individuals apart. Just like the Mayo CB tried to do initially by announcing who voted which way during the secret ballot. They then invited the 2 player reps to a meeting and 26 extremely pissed off players showed up.

Far better keeping it a secret ballot unless you want to see your county ripped asunder.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 16, 2015, 01:36:50 PM
It should be a secret ballot so players can get away with weasely formulations like the one I mentioned?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Zulu on November 16, 2015, 01:41:03 PM
This is very simple. If you're a manager and your players no longer want to play for you then you simply thank them for their efforts, wish them well in the future and walk away.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 16, 2015, 01:43:28 PM
This is very simple. If you're a manager and your players no longer want to play for you then you simply thank them for their efforts, wish them well in the future and walk away.

This is true, but at the same time if this becomes a pattern, you have to start looking at do you have the right players (as a county board I mean).
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 01:46:19 PM
It should be a secret ballot so players can get away with weasely formulations like the one I mentioned?

Secret ballots are normal practise in trade unions, which is the closest example of this I can think of.

It prevents bullying of the individual underlings from above.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 16, 2015, 01:53:01 PM
Who is going to protect managers from being bullied? Is anyone going to take ownership for the slanders that regularly spring up whenever there is a heave against a manager?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 01:57:19 PM
Who is going to protect managers from being bullied? Is anyone going to take ownership for the slanders that regularly spring up whenever there is a heave against a manager?

If the manager is being bullied by the players, then he should be on his bike anyway.

It is a bit like protests against politicians. They are supposed to be leaders, banning such protests never really works out well in the long run.


Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 16, 2015, 02:07:48 PM
I'm not saying 'protests' - that's an overwrought way of describing it - should be banned. I'm saying people should take ownership for their own point of view. We have a situation where the players have power without responsibility.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 02:09:57 PM
I'm not saying 'protests' - that's an overwrought way of describing it - should be banned. I'm saying people should take ownership for their own point of view. We have a situation where the players have power without responsibility.

We have a situation where managers are rewarded for the work of unpaid underlings.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Bord na Mona man on November 16, 2015, 02:11:37 PM
This is very simple. If you're a manager and your players no longer want to play for you then you simply thank them for their efforts, wish them well in the future and walk away.
This is very simple. If you're a manager and your players no longer want to play for you then you simply thank them for their efforts, wish them well in the future and kick them off the panel.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 16, 2015, 02:13:18 PM
I'm not saying 'protests' - that's an overwrought way of describing it - should be banned. I'm saying people should take ownership for their own point of view. We have a situation where the players have power without responsibility.

We have a situation where managers are rewarded for the work of unpaid underlings.

If that is what is happening, they should say as much.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2015, 02:16:03 PM
I hope this doesn't turn into Cork redux. That was immensely damaging for the old firm crowd  who haven't won an all-Ireland since.
The last thing Galway need is a long, bitter struggle.

also a pity the players didn't have the same fight in the last 20 minutes of this year's all Ireland. 
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
This is very simple. If you're a manager and your players no longer want to play for you then you simply thank them for their efforts, wish them well in the future and walk away.
This is very simple. If you're a manager and your players no longer want to play for you then you simply thank them for their efforts, wish them well in the future and kick them off the panel.

This demonstrates perfectly that the players do not have the power, that is held entirely by the management.

Unless there is something wrong with the management.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 04:05:35 PM
I'm not saying 'protests' - that's an overwrought way of describing it - should be banned. I'm saying people should take ownership for their own point of view. We have a situation where the players have power without responsibility.

We have a situation where managers are rewarded for the work of unpaid underlings.

If that is what is happening, they should say as much.

Look, often these debates turn into absolutes whereby everything is black or white and blame is apportioned 100% to one side or the other.

The reality is always different, with right and wrong in both parties.

But there is a very unique view in the GAA world of these matters.

Goa players play for nothing - fine
Professionals get paid - fine
Gaa players should know their place and just get on with it - not fine with me
Professional players slyly agitate via their agents - no one seems to have a problem with this
Gaa manager faces a player revolt - universal reaction from CB, media and many supporters is to attack the players
Soccer manager faces a player revolt (which is almost never talked about publicly by players) - universal: 'he has lost the dressing room - time to go'

Why all the double standards? Particularly against those offering their services for free, while little comment is directed at those getting paid to 'get on with it'.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 16, 2015, 04:10:45 PM
Offering their services?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 04:16:10 PM
Offering their services?

By comparison with those who are paid.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 16, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
In terms of advancing the discussion, can anyone reference some examples in the world of professional soccer where the players got the manager fired?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 04:57:36 PM
In terms of advancing the discussion, can anyone reference some examples in the world of professional soccer where the players got the manager fired?

Brian Clough at Leeds off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 16, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
Jaysus, that's 40 years ago!
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 16, 2015, 05:02:44 PM
Jaysus, that's 40 years ago!

Notably it was the era before agents.

Maureen is defending himself against allegations of a player revolt currently. Who knows if it is accurate or not, everything is done through proxies.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Zulu on November 16, 2015, 05:55:31 PM
This is very simple. If you're a manager and your players no longer want to play for you then you simply thank them for their efforts, wish them well in the future and walk away.
This is very simple. If you're a manager and your players no longer want to play for you then you simply thank them for their efforts, wish them well in the future and kick them off the panel.

That certainly won't work as has been proven. Anyway, players can be justified in not wanting a certain manager in charge, they can be wrong too of course. But unlike professional sport lads can get an inter county managers job when they haven't the ability to do it in the modern era. It isn't a great situation and it can be very harsh on volunteer managers but it isn't the worst thing in the world either.

As I said, if I was managing a team (any level) whether I felt I was doing a good job or not, I would leave if the players didn't want me. I can always manage another team or at a different level and I can only have success if my players are willing to follow.

The issue here, in my opinion, is that players have advanced faster than potential managers. Lads now expect more than many managers are capable of delivering so player expectations are not being meet by a lot of managers.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 16, 2015, 06:43:25 PM
Anthony Cunningham has stepped down.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Zulu on November 16, 2015, 06:52:14 PM
A very good statement from Anthony Cunningham and does raise some questions about the players motivations but he still made the right decision in my opinion.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 16, 2015, 06:53:37 PM
Anthony Cunningham has stepped down.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2015/1116/742331-galway-latest/


It's a pity it had to end like this. He brought Galway a long way and the McCarthy cup was agonisingly close .
 Hopefully his successor can finish the job. I wonder would Jeff Lynshkey be in with a shout.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: mouview on November 16, 2015, 08:41:46 PM
Would prefer to let Lynskey grow 'organically' into future roles at county level. No hurry, no harm to take a long view at any time.

Thanks AC, you put your heart and soul into it, just didn't work out, was time to go.
Your statement was a little self-serving though. 'Kangaroo court' not accurate, there was a secret and democratic vote yesterday. Who outside the county was helping to 'orchestrate' the heave? How does he contend the players are not taking the 'views of their county' on board? Most supporters would have gladly ran him last year after Thurles.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Catch and Kick on November 16, 2015, 10:05:24 PM
Total refusal to take responsibility for their own shortcomings.
Brian Cody could be in charge of Galway but if the players have the same mentality they would still win nothing.
Players cannot accept the credit for all that went right and none of the blame for what went wrong.

They were all in it together. Management and players. Sink or swim together.
Galway did not have a panel of perfect players. They cannot expect perfection of their management team.
This is an amateur game - and that management team, whatever it's faults, did not deserve this.

Shame on the players who drove this to the point of Cunningham resigning. Shameful.

And shame too on those that give succour to such carry on, notably sections of the media who always like to be bets mates with the top players...
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: ashman on November 17, 2015, 01:49:43 AM
The players have really put themselves in a hard place .  They have to deliver next year and than means winning an all Ireland .  This is now a great job for a manager because if you fail the players will be blamed regardless.

Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: heffo on November 17, 2015, 08:10:21 AM

Who outside the county was helping to 'orchestrate' the heave?


GPA presumably in between trips to NY
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Syferus on November 17, 2015, 08:40:38 AM
The players have really put themselves in a hard place .  They have to deliver next year and than means winning an all Ireland .  This is now a great job for a manager because if you fail the players will be blamed regardless.

Managing a group of deluded eejits is never a great job.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 17, 2015, 09:23:06 AM
The statement

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/anthony-cunningham-statement/316167

Anthony Cunningham incumbent Senior Hurling Manager since 2012, hereby confirm the following:-

Despite the fact that I was unanimously ratified and supported by the Galway GAA Clubs, the County Hurling and Galway County Committees and having reviewed the current impasse in detail over the past month, it is with great sadness tonight that I and my Management Team announce our resignation from our positions. I do so with the best interests of Galway Hurling in mind and with the priority of best assisting Galway hurling to build on the achievement of 2015.

As a Management team we have exhausted all avenues with support from the clubs, their delegates, the hurling fraternity and County Committees in the past month to bring this impasse to a conclusion and protect Galway hurling. Despite extensive attempts at genuine dialogue including Independent Arbitration, there were no reasonable explanations offered or given as to the issues that players felt they had,

I believe that the players are misguided in that they are not taking the views of their county on board. They, through their actions have shown scant respect for, and loyalty to the good will shown them by supporters, clubs and County GAA Committees and Management. I contend it unreasonable to express a lack of confidence in management - how else could we have reached a winning position in an All-Ireland Final last September.

I consider this a kangaroo court decision, led by a core group of players orchestrated with the help of others outside Galway, motivated by a desire to unjustly extend their lifespan as inter-county players placing personal agendas above the greater good of Galway Hurling. This goes to the very core of what our Association stands for - there is a national danger now that the democratic and voluntary ethos of the GAA is being overrun by groups of players that wish to indulge in the selection and termination of management.

Galway Hurling is bigger than any one individual and given that this current impasse shows no immediate sign of abating, I reluctantly conclude that it best that I now step aside.

I hold a deep conviction that the current Galway management team is one best positioned to deliver Galway hurling to the next level and bring All-Ireland Senior success to our county. I thank my family, my management team colleagues and their families for their support and I am very sensitive the hurt they have endured in the very recent past. I salute the county officials and officers and numerous volunteers whop have given me magnificent support over the last five years.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Canalman on November 17, 2015, 09:42:26 AM
A surgical parting shot there by AC.

Always liked him.

Some pressure to succeed next year on the more senior panel members after that.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: MoChara on November 17, 2015, 09:45:19 AM
If the players had dug in and won the AI final would he still be made walk the plank I doubt it, seems like sour grapes to me on their behalf.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 17, 2015, 09:55:30 AM

Who outside the county was helping to 'orchestrate' the heave?


GPA presumably in between trips to NY

Sure who else could it be? Fair swing back by Cunningham, it's a fairly young panel though (Collins, Tannion and Donnellan are around 30/31) so apart from Smyth and Callanan not sure who else is trying to "unjustly extend their lifespan".
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: heffo on November 17, 2015, 10:40:46 AM

Who outside the county was helping to 'orchestrate' the heave?


GPA presumably in between trips to NY

Sure who else could it be? Fair swing back by Cunningham, it's a fairly young panel though (Collins, Tannion and Donnellan are around 30/31) so apart from Smyth and Callanan not sure who else is trying to "unjustly extend their lifespan".

Not sure, but I know first hand from a senior player with a reduced role this year that they wanted rid of Cunningham last year too
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Duine Eile on November 17, 2015, 10:51:35 AM
To be honest that statement from Cunningham is a bit rich, where was his regard and concern for Galway hurling when he was asked straight out  before his ratification if he had the backing and support of the players and he said he had, even though he had been informed otherwise? Galway hurling is bigger than any one individual after all as he has stated himself.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: The Wedger on November 17, 2015, 11:31:13 AM




Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: screenexile on November 17, 2015, 11:52:07 AM
I think it's a bit rich from the players in all honesty.

They got Conor Hayes ousted and then requested Loughnane... they got Lougnane ousted then and the CB got in John McIntyre. He got the road and Cunningham came in with a relative degree of success and they get him ousted.

They've been in winning positions against Kilkenny/Cork/Tipp a number of times over the past 15 years and have never gotten over the line and to once constant in that time has been the type of player. When Cody hears of playing Galway in an All Ireland Final I'd say he rubs his hands because he knows when the pressure is on his lads have it and Galway will crumble because they always do!

Cunningham has been shafted here it will be interesting to see who would want to come in after this scenario and how they will do!!

PS. Has anyone heard of any genuine grievance or particular issues that the players have with the management or are they just using Cunningham and his team as a scapegoat for their own shortcomings?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 17, 2015, 12:26:09 PM



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Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on November 17, 2015, 01:06:24 PM
I'm surprised at the certainty with which some people are knocking the players. Unless you're involved and have been attending training sessions there's so much we don't know about the situation. I'm still hopeful that the players are doing this for the right reasons, that they don't believe Cunningham's training methods and tactics are up to scratch and they want someone who can bring them to a better level. Also, we should remember how heroic they were this year up to the second half of the final, against Tipp especially and maybe give them some benefit of the doubt. They hurled with a physicality, workrate and skill level that I've never seen from a Galway team, including the sacred late 80's team. I've nothing against Cunningham,but it's unfair to give him the credit for getting them to the two finals and then blame the players for losing them in the second half. He also presided over two disastrous years - were they the fault of the players? Maybe, but it will be up to them to prove themselves next year. I wouldn't be hugely optimistic that they'll prove everyone wrong and win the All-Ireland next year, but I wouldn't claim to know enough about the preparation of the team, to condemn them for their actions either(though I do agree with deiseach's point that they should at least take ownership, and have the courage to say which players want him gone).
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Catch and Kick on November 17, 2015, 01:29:25 PM
I'm surprised at the certainty with which some people are knocking the players. Unless you're involved and have been attending training sessions there's so much we don't know about the situation. I'm still hopeful that the players are doing this for the right reasons, that they don't believe Cunningham's training methods and tactics are up to scratch and they want someone who can bring them to a better level. Also, we should remember how heroic they were this year up to the second half of the final, against Tipp especially and maybe give them some benefit of the doubt. They hurled with a physicality, workrate and skill level that I've never seen from a Galway team, including the sacred late 80's team. I've nothing against Cunningham,but it's unfair to give him the credit for getting them to the two finals and then blame the players for losing them in the second half. He also presided over two disastrous years - were they the fault of the players? Maybe, but it will be up to them to prove themselves next year. I wouldn't be hugely optimistic that they'll prove everyone wrong and win the All-Ireland next year, but I wouldn't claim to know enough about the preparation of the team, to condemn them for their actions either(though I do agree with deiseach's point that they should at least take ownership, and have the courage to say which players want him gone).

That's the point I am making - they didn't do it on their own, neither did he. There re weaknesses in all set ups; it's up to ALL involved to address them. I am afraid this is going to end bad for Galway hurling.....
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 17, 2015, 01:30:49 PM
He brought in a good few younger players as well and one of them won an allstar this year.
I think he leaves Galway hurling in a better state than he found it.

I'd love to see Brendan Lynshkey taking over and adding a bit of resilience .   
I don't think it's necessarily a bleak situation.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 17, 2015, 01:47:40 PM
I think it's a bit rich from the players in all honesty.

They got Conor Hayes ousted and then requested Loughnane... they got Lougnane ousted then and the CB got in John McIntyre. He got the road and Cunningham came in with a relative degree of success and they get him ousted.

They've been in winning positions against Kilkenny/Cork/Tipp a number of times over the past 15 years and have never gotten over the line and to once constant in that time has been the type of player. When Cody hears of playing Galway in an All Ireland Final I'd say he rubs his hands because he knows when the pressure is on his lads have it and Galway will crumble because they always do!

Cunningham has been shafted here it will be interesting to see who would want to come in after this scenario and how they will do!!

PS. Has anyone heard of any genuine grievance or particular issues that the players have with the management or are they just using Cunningham and his team as a scapegoat for their own shortcomings?

You're talking like it's the exact same bunch of players that have been there for the past 15 years under 4 or 5 managers. The current squad is even quite different to the squad that reached the final in 2012. Only 6 players that started the 2012 final started the 2015 final. I don't see the relevance of what Loughnane or McIntyre has to do with it.

You'd have to feel some sympathy for Cunningham but nobody knows the ins and outs of the situation and we may never know them unless the players and/or Cunningham express them in detail. By all accounts this was a long standing issue and did not just emerge after they lost an All-Ireland final.

Certainly they have placed more pressure on themselves for next year as people will be looking for them to fail now. Even inside the county.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Duine Eile on November 17, 2015, 02:23:48 PM

Certainly they have placed more pressure on themselves for next year as people will be looking for them to fail now. Even inside the county.

Especially inside the county I'd say, the amount of anger and bitterness towards the players, without knowing the full details, is unbelievable. People seem to have forgotten that only for Noel Treacy's casting vote as chairman last year Cunningham was gone, this overwhelming swell of support for him is very strange.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on November 17, 2015, 02:31:39 PM

That's the point I am making - they didn't do it on their own, neither did he. There re weaknesses in all set ups; it's up to ALL involved to address them. I am afraid this is going to end bad for Galway hurling.....

That's fair Catch and Kick, but I was referring to posters who were assuming, with absolute certainty and insufficient knowledge, that Cunningham was doing a fine job on the basis that they had reached two finals and that the players were spineless because they lost second half leads on both occasions.
If the players feel that Cunningham doesn't give them the best chance of winning should they feel obliged to shut up because they reached 2 finals? It would have been much easier for them to keep quiet and they've put huge pressure on themselves by doing this. I'm not saying they're right, I'm just saying you'd need to be inside the camp to have a worthwhile opinion on whether they are right or wrong. We'll get our answer on that next year.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on November 17, 2015, 02:33:40 PM

Certainly they have placed more pressure on themselves for next year as people will be looking for them to fail now. Even inside the county.

Especially inside the county I'd say, the amount of anger and bitterness towards the players, without knowing the full details, is unbelievable. People seem to have forgotten that only for Noel Treacy's casting vote as chairman last year Cunningham was gone, this overwhelming swell of support for him is very strange.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on November 17, 2015, 02:48:25 PM
He brought in a good few younger players as well and one of them won an allstar this year.
I think he leaves Galway hurling in a better state than he found it.

I'd love to see Brendan Lynshkey taking over and adding a bit of resilience .   
I don't think it's necessarily a bleak situation.

Thought they showed plenty of resilience this year seafoid and were physically dominant in most games. I think Lynskey would be an unmitigated disaster(from reading his comments,I don't think he's noticed that the game has changed since the late 80's. He seems to think that winning basically comes down to being thicker than the other team) and the only consolation would be that it would be a bit funny to see him fall flat on his face, given that he's always ready to stick the boot into the current team.

And as someone on the Galway forum said, how exactly would he put more steel into the team, by showing them the scars on his knuckles?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 17, 2015, 06:00:45 PM
He brought in a good few younger players as well and one of them won an allstar this year.
I think he leaves Galway hurling in a better state than he found it.

I'd love to see Brendan Lynshkey taking over and adding a bit of resilience .   
I don't think it's necessarily a bleak situation.

Thought they showed plenty of resilience this year seafoid and were physically dominant in most games. I think Lynskey would be an unmitigated disaster(from reading his comments,I don't think he's noticed that the game has changed since the late 80's. He seems to think that winning basically comes down to being thicker than the other team) and the only consolation would be that it would be a bit funny to see him fall flat on his face, given that he's always ready to stick the boot into the current team.

And as someone on the Galway forum said, how exactly would he put more steel into the team, by showing them the scars on his knuckles?
I don't think they have the money to go outside the county. Daly would add a good bit but how much would he cost in Smoky Bacon Burgers ?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Cunny Funt on November 17, 2015, 09:07:28 PM
Anthony Cunningham didn't hold back on that statement last night will be interesting to see if the Galway senior players will react with a statement of their own.

Another that didn't hold back was Ger Loughnane today. He said Cunningham brought the Galway players to the water but they refused to drink. He also said whoever takes the job next will need his head examined.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: mouview on November 17, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Loughnane can go f$ck himself.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Duine Eile on November 17, 2015, 10:03:51 PM
Loughnane sticking the boot into Galway hurling again, nothing new there then!  ::)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 17, 2015, 11:07:15 PM
It is amazing how people can adopt positions of such certainty for a distance. They know 100% that one side was completely out of order and the other side is correct.

It is never that simple. We might never know, but you can be sure there is some merit in boths sides of the story.

I know little of Galway hurling, but in my opinion Cunningham's statement does him no favours. If he had the interests of Galway hurling at heart, a subject he raises in his statement, he should have taken it on the chin, for the county, regardless of the rights and wrongs. Compare his statement with the dignified departure of Holmes and Connelly.

Having said that, there appears to be a consistant pattern emerging when the players from any county decide to go down this road. I suspect this is what Cunningham is referring to. I don't know enough about the Galway situation to know if the players simply sought advice as would be sensible, or whether they were led down this path, which wouldn't be smart.

I am naturally inclined to defend the players collective right to an opinion, but I wouldn't like to see this become a regular occurance.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on November 18, 2015, 12:40:04 AM
I don't think they have the money to go outside the county. Daly would add a good bit but how much would he cost in Smoky Bacon Burgers ?
I'd love to see Daly come in. Seems a very clever fella and great with players. I think he'd suit this bunch of players. He looks even better after this year, given how poor Dublin were under Cunningham. But yeah, money is definitely an issue(for the stricken County Board, I have no idea if it'd be an issue for Daly).
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Blowitupref on November 18, 2015, 01:40:50 AM
It is amazing how people can adopt positions of such certainty for a distance. They know 100% that one side was completely out of order and the other side is correct.

It is never that simple. We might never know, but you can be sure there is some merit in boths sides of the story.

I know little of Galway hurling, but in my opinion Cunningham's statement does him no favours. If he had the interests of Galway hurling at heart, a subject he raises in his statement, he should have taken it on the chin, for the county, regardless of the rights and wrongs. Compare his statement with the dignified departure of Holmes and Connelly.

Having said that, there appears to be a consistant pattern emerging when the players from any county decide to go down this road. I suspect this is what Cunningham is referring to. I don't know enough about the Galway situation to know if the players simply sought advice as would be sensible, or whether they were led down this path, which wouldn't be smart.

I am naturally inclined to defend the players collective right to an opinion, but I wouldn't like to see this become a regular occurance.

Wasn't Cunningham like but Holmes and Connelly still got the slight dig into their statement

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By resigning we wish to remove any obstacle that the players might perceive as preventing them from winning the All-Ireland.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 18, 2015, 10:42:29 AM
Loughnane sticking the boot into Galway hurling again, nothing new there then!  ::)


That stint with the tribesmen has left some emotional scars on the poor Ger and he's having difficulty overcoming them!

Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 18, 2015, 10:48:33 AM
I asked before but I'm not sure anyone answered it (apologies if I missed it). The county board statement a few days ago referred to the 'substantive issue'. Does anyone know what that issue is?

Are the players disillusioned with Cunningham because he isn't tactically astute? Is it preparation? Is it motivation? What's the issue they have?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 18, 2015, 11:40:47 AM
It is amazing how people can adopt positions of such certainty for a distance. They know 100% that one side was completely out of order and the other side is correct.

It is never that simple. We might never know, but you can be sure there is some merit in boths sides of the story.

I know little of Galway hurling, but in my opinion Cunningham's statement does him no favours. If he had the interests of Galway hurling at heart, a subject he raises in his statement, he should have taken it on the chin, for the county, regardless of the rights and wrongs. Compare his statement with the dignified departure of Holmes and Connelly.

Having said that, there appears to be a consistant pattern emerging when the players from any county decide to go down this road. I suspect this is what Cunningham is referring to. I don't know enough about the Galway situation to know if the players simply sought advice as would be sensible, or whether they were led down this path, which wouldn't be smart.

I am naturally inclined to defend the players collective right to an opinion, but I wouldn't like to see this become a regular occurance.
He must have been referring to the influence of the GPA.

One of the big things Cunningham did was introduce continuity into the Galway senior setup. He was there for 4 years and had a process for the introduction of younger players, rather than the sloppy introduction and then casting off that was the "system" beforehand . John Culkin was a star minor and  is playing mighty for Abbeyknockmoy this year but he never made it as a senior. There are so many other players who were discarded.  So AC wasn't the best on tactics under pressure. But he did introduce a more solid system. And if that gets thrown out because of the arrogance of certain players he's right to criticise them. If Galway drop back to the mediocrity of the Loughnane years it will all have been for nothing.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: mouview on November 18, 2015, 03:22:20 PM
It is amazing how people can adopt positions of such certainty for a distance. They know 100% that one side was completely out of order and the other side is correct.

It is never that simple. We might never know, but you can be sure there is some merit in boths sides of the story.

I know little of Galway hurling, but in my opinion Cunningham's statement does him no favours. If he had the interests of Galway hurling at heart, a subject he raises in his statement, he should have taken it on the chin, for the county, regardless of the rights and wrongs. Compare his statement with the dignified departure of Holmes and Connelly.

Having said that, there appears to be a consistant pattern emerging when the players from any county decide to go down this road. I suspect this is what Cunningham is referring to. I don't know enough about the Galway situation to know if the players simply sought advice as would be sensible, or whether they were led down this path, which wouldn't be smart.

I am naturally inclined to defend the players collective right to an opinion, but I wouldn't like to see this become a regular occurance.
He must have been referring to the influence of the GPA.

One of the big things Cunningham did was introduce continuity into the Galway senior setup. He was there for 4 years and had a process for the introduction of younger players, rather than the sloppy introduction and then casting off that was the "system" beforehand . John Culkin was a star minor and  is playing mighty for Abbeyknockmoy this year but he never made it as a senior. There are so many other players who were discarded.  So AC wasn't the best on tactics under pressure. But he did introduce a more solid system. And if that gets thrown out because of the arrogance of certain players he's right to criticise them. If Galway drop back to the mediocrity of the Loughnane years it will all have been for nothing.

Not entirely sure I agree Seaf.

Greg Lally came in on the basis of good club displays. Shame Maloney was in, dropped out, was brought in to make up numbers for a challenge, impressed and was retained. Whelan came in on the basis of good Intermediate displays. Padraig Mannion, once injury-free, was always good enough to be brought in etc. Think the introductions were more haphazard than structured, don't think AC is (was) that good a judge. Nobody like Cody to spot a diamond in the rough.

Culkin was a great minor, basically because he was strong for his age, Loughnane was blinded by that a bit. He was on the county panel for a while but made no headway, plus rugby coaxed him away for a while too.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 18, 2015, 04:34:40 PM
It is amazing how people can adopt positions of such certainty for a distance. They know 100% that one side was completely out of order and the other side is correct.

It is never that simple. We might never know, but you can be sure there is some merit in boths sides of the story.

I know little of Galway hurling, but in my opinion Cunningham's statement does him no favours. If he had the interests of Galway hurling at heart, a subject he raises in his statement, he should have taken it on the chin, for the county, regardless of the rights and wrongs. Compare his statement with the dignified departure of Holmes and Connelly.

Having said that, there appears to be a consistant pattern emerging when the players from any county decide to go down this road. I suspect this is what Cunningham is referring to. I don't know enough about the Galway situation to know if the players simply sought advice as would be sensible, or whether they were led down this path, which wouldn't be smart.

I am naturally inclined to defend the players collective right to an opinion, but I wouldn't like to see this become a regular occurance.
He must have been referring to the influence of the GPA.

One of the big things Cunningham did was introduce continuity into the Galway senior setup. He was there for 4 years and had a process for the introduction of younger players, rather than the sloppy introduction and then casting off that was the "system" beforehand . John Culkin was a star minor and  is playing mighty for Abbeyknockmoy this year but he never made it as a senior. There are so many other players who were discarded.  So AC wasn't the best on tactics under pressure. But he did introduce a more solid system. And if that gets thrown out because of the arrogance of certain players he's right to criticise them. If Galway drop back to the mediocrity of the Loughnane years it will all have been for nothing.

Not entirely sure I agree Seaf.

Greg Lally came in on the basis of good club displays. Shame Maloney was in, dropped out, was brought in to make up numbers for a challenge, impressed and was retained. Whelan came in on the basis of good Intermediate displays. Padraig Mannion, once injury-free, was always good enough to be brought in etc. Think the introductions were more haphazard than structured, don't think AC is (was) that good a judge. Nobody like Cody to spot a diamond in the rough.



Surely having an open panel like that is a good thing, no?

It keeps the current panel on their toes and lets club players, intermediates, u21's know that good performances are being noticed and acted on by the senior management irrespective if there's a clearly defined structure or not.


I also noticed on another forum that there were two lads training the Galway panel, would this have been a Galway CB sanctioned training session or something organised by the 2015 players themselves?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 18, 2015, 05:27:14 PM
It is amazing how people can adopt positions of such certainty for a distance. They know 100% that one side was completely out of order and the other side is correct.

It is never that simple. We might never know, but you can be sure there is some merit in boths sides of the story.

I know little of Galway hurling, but in my opinion Cunningham's statement does him no favours. If he had the interests of Galway hurling at heart, a subject he raises in his statement, he should have taken it on the chin, for the county, regardless of the rights and wrongs. Compare his statement with the dignified departure of Holmes and Connelly.

Having said that, there appears to be a consistant pattern emerging when the players from any county decide to go down this road. I suspect this is what Cunningham is referring to. I don't know enough about the Galway situation to know if the players simply sought advice as would be sensible, or whether they were led down this path, which wouldn't be smart.

I am naturally inclined to defend the players collective right to an opinion, but I wouldn't like to see this become a regular occurance.

Wasn't Cunningham like but Holmes and Connelly still got the slight dig into their statement

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By resigning we wish to remove any obstacle that the players might perceive as preventing them from winning the All-Ireland.

I didn't read that as a dig. They just stated the players' position. And if it was a dig, it was a long way short of Cunningham's.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Duine Eile on November 18, 2015, 06:08:33 PM
Surely having an open panel like that is a good thing, no?

It keeps the current panel on their toes and lets club players, intermediates, u21's know that good performances are being noticed and acted on by the senior management irrespective if there's a clearly defined structure or not.


I also noticed on another forum that there were two lads training the Galway panel, would this have been a Galway CB sanctioned training session or something organised by the 2015 players themselves?

That could be connected to the Super 11s business in Boston this weekend I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on November 18, 2015, 11:57:09 PM
I asked before but I'm not sure anyone answered it (apologies if I missed it). The county board statement a few days ago referred to the 'substantive issue'. Does anyone know what that issue is?

Are the players disillusioned with Cunningham because he isn't tactically astute? Is it preparation? Is it motivation? What's the issue they have?

It would be really helpful if the players clarified this and you'd hope it's to do with them being unhappy about the preparation and tactics. There have been some stories about players being unhappy with the way some players were treated and spoken to by the management, but you'd hope to God that there's more to it than that. I'm sure Cody isn't always tactful with his lads.

Given how much criticism the players are getting, and how they are being seen by many as unmanageable prima donnas, it would be in their own interest to clarify why they wanted Cunningham gone(assuming the reasons were valid).
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: mouview on November 19, 2015, 11:23:46 AM
Really are damned if they do and damned if they don't though. If they come out with their reasons people may say they're being over-sensitive and petty. From all anecdotal evidence on Bulletin boards, it does seem as if AC had his favourites and wasn't really a good man-manager.

Think they are doing themselves a big favour by not speaking publically on this any more than is necessary, (plus it's pissing off that clod Keith Finnegan big time by not revealing any more info., always a bonus!)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 19, 2015, 12:09:22 PM
Really are damned if they do and damned if they don't though. If they come out with their reasons people may say they're being over-sensitive and petty. From all anecdotal evidence on Bulletin boards, it does seem as if AC had his favourites and wasn't really a good man-manager.

Think they are doing themselves a big favour by not speaking publically on this any more than is necessary, (plus it's pissing off that clod Keith Finnegan big time by not revealing any more info., always a bonus!)
Do they have someone in mind to replace Cunningham ?

Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on November 19, 2015, 12:17:38 PM
Really are damned if they do and damned if they don't though. If they come out with their reasons people may say they're being over-sensitive and petty. From all anecdotal evidence on Bulletin boards, it does seem as if AC had his favourites and wasn't really a good man-manager.

Think they are doing themselves a big favour by not speaking publically on this any more than is necessary, (plus it's pissing off that clod Keith Finnegan big time by not revealing any more info., always a bonus!)
:) Hadn't thought about it from that angle. Very true.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on November 19, 2015, 12:35:11 PM
To be fair to the players they apparently did try to do this all as quietly as possible by letting Cunningham know before he was ratified, but in a bizarre move afterwards he allegedly still told the board he had the backing of the panel. Not sure how almost everyone is coming down on his side if that's true.

Also, a major gear grinder in all this is a lot of the same "fans", who jumped on the bandwagon last September and snapped up tickets for their first game in 3 years, and were boldly predicting that this Galway team had what it takes and absolutely would beat Kilkenny, are now condemning the players as spineless, deluded and useless.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 19, 2015, 08:25:33 PM
Fair weather Galway fans???
No.
When did this start?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: ashman on November 20, 2015, 01:33:50 AM
Fair weather Galway fans???
No.
When did this start?

Galway folk are great supporters .  Best attendees of club games to be fair.

There was never a tradition of provincial championship there.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 20, 2015, 12:30:21 PM
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The involvement of Eamon O'Shea in his prospective backroom team is set to boost Michael Donoghue's chances of becoming the next Galway hurling manager.

O'Shea stepped down after three years as Tipperary manager following their narrow All-Ireland SHC semi-final defeat to the Tribesmen in August, and the Irish Times is reporting that both he and former Galway minor manager Josie Harte are set to be on Donoghue's ticket.

Travel wouldn't be an issue for O'Shea who is based in Galway where he works as the Head of Economics at NUIG.

Donoghue, who won an All-Ireland U21 medal with Galway in 1993 before masterminding Clarinbridge's All-Ireland club success in 2011, is expected to go head-to-head with Mattie Kenny for the position, which was vacated by Anthony Cunningham on Monday.

Kenny, who is preparing Cuala for a Leinster club SHC final against Oulart-The Ballagh on Sunday week, remains favourite for the post.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Duine Eile on November 20, 2015, 05:21:20 PM
Eamon O'Shea was on Tipp FM today and said he was retired from inter county management and would not be getting involved in the Galway set up.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Blowitupref on November 21, 2015, 12:17:32 AM
GALWAY HURLERS 'SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT' OVER ANTHONY CUNNINGHAM IN EXPLOSIVE LETTER


Poor coaching, bad man management and what they consider to be the "disjointed tactical approach" are the reasons behind the player heave against Anthony Cunningham by the Galway hurlers, according to a letter seen exclusively by SportsJOE.

Cunningham stepped down as Galway senior hurling manager on Monday night following a prolonged goodbye with the western county.

His decision came hours before a County Board meeting where he was expected to be ratified for another year in charge, despite losing the support of the players.

The players have since sent a lengthy letter to the county board, which has been obtained by SportsJOE, in order to "set the record straight" following intense criticism in some quarters of the media.

The lengthy letter (which can be read in full at the bottom of the page) outlines the reasons for their lack of faith in Cunningham, as well highlighting poor coaching, bad man management and what they consider to be the "disjointed tactical approach from Anthony and his management team" ahead of crucial fixtures, specifically this year's All-Ireland semi-final against Tipperary.

The letter addresses three core issues:

The perception that it was a minority of players that were unhappy with Cunningham's management

– The letter insists that four players met with Cunningham on September 27th. At that meeting Cunningham was informed that the "vast majority of players had no confidence in him". This ultimately led to a secret ballot on November 15th in which 26 players answered 'No' and six players answered 'Yes" when asked if they had confidence in Cunningham. When asked if they would play for the current team in 2016, 23 answered 'No' and nine answered 'Yes'.

That this show of player power needs to be suppressed

In the letter, the players deny that this is an exercise in player power and that their aim is the same as the County Board delegates to win the Liam McCarthy Cup in 2016. The letter states: "The players' view is that the county is not best placed to win the All Ireland next year if Anthony Cunningham continues to be team manager.” It continues: “We ask delegates whether it is improper for players to express our views? We think not. Instead of being improper, is it not the case that this is information that delegates ought to have before they make a decision on who will manage the Galway team. Rather than being an exercise in player power, it seems to us that the players would be open to justified criticism if they did NOT make their views known."

That all the unrest arises from a poor final 30 minutes in the All-Ireland final defeat by Kilkenny

– The players strongly deny this suggestion. The letter states: “The players absolutely accept and acknowledge that Anthony invested considerable time and effort in the performance of his duties” and “deserved praise for that effort and commitment.” However the players go on to say that: "We [the players] have, to date, avoided any washing dirty laundry in public because we do not want to embarrass anybody or to make the process of moving on from this impasse any more difficult than it needs to be. Dissatisfaction with Anthony's management does not arise simply because the team played poorly in the second half of the All-Ireland Final. Almost all points of dissatisfaction pre-date the All-Ireland final and most issues have been ongoing and growing over the course of the last two seasons.”

http://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/exclusive-galway-hurlers-reveal-reasons-they-lost-faith-in-anthony-cunningham-in-explosive-letter-to-county-board/50903?utm_source=facebook
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Minder on November 21, 2015, 08:38:42 AM
It really wasn't that explosive
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: orangeman on November 21, 2015, 05:21:55 PM
If this was Cork, we'd have at least 100 pages by now.

This thread needs Reillers to come back.

 ;)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: heffo on November 21, 2015, 10:36:07 PM

This thread needs Reillers to come back.


Sweet jebus I'd love that
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 22, 2015, 07:34:08 PM
Who replaces Cunningham for the Fenway match ?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: orangeman on November 22, 2015, 09:51:46 PM
Good old schemozzle to entertain everyone.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Duine Eile on November 22, 2015, 11:17:17 PM
Who replaces Cunningham for the Fenway match ?

Malachy Hanley, Tex Callaghan and Damien Coleman I think. Anyone else think the schamozzle and the celebrations at the end felt a bit staged and for the benefit of the crowd?  ???
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: INDIANA on November 22, 2015, 11:25:12 PM
Good old schemozzle to entertain everyone.

Pity Galway didn't show a bit of that in the second half v kilkenny. But then you'd have to have leaders to do that. You saw all the leadership all the galway hurling team with Skehill running the length of the field to a dublin player a cowardly belt in the back when he wasn't looking. Says everyhting
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: didlyi on November 22, 2015, 11:31:12 PM
Who replaces Cunningham for the Fenway match ?

Malachy Hanley, Tex Callaghan and Damien Coleman I think. Anyone else think the schamozzle and the celebrations at the end felt a bit staged and for the benefit of the crowd?  ???

Staged? Maybe. The yanks love schamozzles and it certainly didnt deter from the game given the twitter reaction.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 23, 2015, 10:39:01 AM
The 'epic brawl' seems to have gone down well with NESN (https://www.facebook.com/NESN/videos/1081955208523484/) (favourite comment: "Looks like a 1970's Bruins game"). But I'm reserving judgement until I see Indiana's video.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 23, 2015, 12:16:41 PM
What a load of guffaw http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/3/2311151138-galway-delight-after-victory-in-boston/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/3/2311151138-galway-delight-after-victory-in-boston/)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 23, 2015, 12:21:30 PM
What a load of guffaw http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/3/2311151138-galway-delight-after-victory-in-boston/ (http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/3/2311151138-galway-delight-after-victory-in-boston/)
There were some interesting changes like corners, goals only, 11 players, matching helmets, TMO
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Canalman on November 23, 2015, 12:47:55 PM
Fairly interesting game to watch. Rule changes and tweaks very interesting. Fair play to all concerned but the weather in Boston looked miserable and cold.
Limit on handpasses and the double points (I think) for the pulled on goals. Sideline starts might be worth a punt in the proper game.
Hope both sets of players bought their i/ds with them as they hit the town last night. An awful place to get a beer in if you look younger than 50.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 23, 2015, 12:59:51 PM
Hope both sets of players bought their i/ds with them as they hit the town last night. An awful place to get a beer in if you look younger than 50.

If only they had held on to Anthony Cunningham.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 23, 2015, 01:51:17 PM
Fairly interesting game to watch. Rule changes and tweaks very interesting. Fair play to all concerned but the weather in Boston looked miserable and cold.
Limit on handpasses and the double points (I think) for the pulled on goals. Sideline starts might be worth a punt in the proper game.
Hope both sets of players bought their i/ds with them as they hit the town last night. An awful place to get a beer in if you look younger than 50.
Who designed the rules ?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Declan on November 23, 2015, 04:01:22 PM
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Fairly interesting game to watch. Rule changes and tweaks very interesting. Fair play to all concerned but the weather in Boston looked miserable and cold.
Limit on handpasses and the double points (I think) for the pulled on goals. Sideline starts might be worth a punt in the proper game.
Hope both sets of players bought their i/ds with them as they hit the town last night. An awful place to get a beer in if you look younger than 50.

Jaysus I dunno Canalman. I was at Fenway and I thought it was dreadful stuff. At one stage Johnny McCaffrey kicked the ball and put hi head in his hands!!!

Schemozzle certainly got the crowd going but otherwise couldn't see the merit it in as a spectacle myself. The hockey style short corner instead of the 65 was an interesting one I thought
 
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 23, 2015, 04:06:34 PM
It seems too contrived to me to be hurling, but maybe as a game itself it's fine. The thing is there is real hurling in the USA, but people who watch this stuff will think it's a completely different game. (and they'd be right).

It's hard to have an exhibition game in a stadium in the US though. Most stadia are built for Football/Baseball, so you'd never get the full 150 yards or so. So to get 25+k into a good stadium to see hurling, it probably had to be something like this.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Canalman on November 23, 2015, 06:06:42 PM
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Fairly interesting game to watch. Rule changes and tweaks very interesting. Fair play to all concerned but the weather in Boston looked miserable and cold.
Limit on handpasses and the double points (I think) for the pulled on goals. Sideline starts might be worth a punt in the proper game.
Hope both sets of players bought their i/ds with them as they hit the town last night. An awful place to get a beer in if you look younger than 50.

Jaysus I dunno Canalman. I was at Fenway and I thought it was dreadful stuff. At one stage Johnny McCaffrey kicked the ball and put hi head in his hands!!!

Schemozzle certainly got the crowd going but otherwise couldn't see the merit it in as a spectacle myself. The hockey style short corner instead of the 65 was an interesting one I thought

Whiled away an hour or two for me on a Sunday evening. Think a kick meant a foul against you.
Obviously flawed to begin with as it was just an exhibition game.

Players in fairness will always in the future be able to say the played at Fenway Park.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 24, 2015, 09:37:34 AM
Christ on a bike, just noticed that both sets of jerseys were branded with GAA GPA. Has a splinter association been set up? What lula gave that the go ahead? Is there no one on Jones Road with a set of balls? Was right behind Galway on the first Sunday in September but with all the recent rubbish they can go another 27 years playing bridesmaids.


Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 09:51:58 AM
In fairness Croí, I don't think this is hurling as we know it, so maybe it's a one off GPA game, hence the branding.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 24, 2015, 10:50:13 AM
In fairness Croí, I don't think this is hurling as we know it, so maybe it's a one off GPA game, hence the branding.

GPA getting a bit too big for their boots in all fairness. In as much the rules were a bit hybrid why the need for the GPA branding?

Is there GPA branding on the Irish compromise rules jersey?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 10:55:21 AM
This was a GPA initiative though, wasn't it? I thought Donal Óg and the lads were behind this.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 24, 2015, 10:58:44 AM
This was a GPA initiative though, wasn't it? I thought Donal Óg and the lads were behind this.

Thought it was AIG, the Dublin sponsors who were the driving force behind it myself.

How did the GPA finance it?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 11:02:04 AM
Sponsorship from AIG I presume, but I'm not 100% sure. I just thought it was a GPA driven event, hence the logo etc.

The question as to whether they are getting too big for their boots is moot :)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 24, 2015, 11:03:34 AM
Christ on a bike, just noticed that both sets of jerseys were branded with GAA GPA. Has a splinter association been set up? What lula gave that the go ahead? Is there no one on Jones Road with a set of balls? Was right behind Galway on the first Sunday in September but with all the recent rubbish they can go another 27 years playing bridesmaids.



it must have been the maroon
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 24, 2015, 11:17:59 AM
Christ on a bike, just noticed that both sets of jerseys were branded with GAA GPA. Has a splinter association been set up? What lula gave that the go ahead? Is there no one on Jones Road with a set of balls? Was right behind Galway on the first Sunday in September but with all the recent rubbish they can go another 27 years playing bridesmaids.



it must have been the maroon

More to do with the aul lad being from Galway and being there in Croke Park for those great years in the 80s. Comments that compare this jumped up junket to the first Sunday in September would sicken your hole.

Regarding the branding, so now if any body of the association secures their own sponsorship then they can add their logo onto the associations logo? You wouldn't see this in any company serious about their identity. That wedge in our association just got driven in a bit further.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 24, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
The GPA are pretty much neutered at this point in the game. As several people have pointed out online, promoting hurling in America when two-thirds of Ireland is a hurling desert is an egregious example of the adults convincing the children that their playpen is where it's at. I can't find a single reference in the news section of their website to the debacle with Anthony Cunningham. No doubt they'll say they are working 'behind the scenes', but would it be so difficult to formulate some manner of agreed way of dealing with these disputes so we can nip them in the bud? Or are they actually happy for them to erupt on an ever more frequent basis?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 11:36:34 AM
I think the fact that they didn't engage with the GAA in North America before doing this solo run is a bit worrying too. I said it at the time, and I think the point still stands. This is not 'hurling' and it does not serve as an advertisement for the game of hurling.

It does however launch a new game, which is being advanced by the GPA. I wonder if there will be a few more exhibition matches of this type, with a few bob going to the players? Perish the thought I know.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 24, 2015, 11:56:30 AM
The GPA are pretty much neutered at this point in the game. As several people have pointed out online, promoting hurling in America when two-thirds of Ireland is a hurling desert is an egregious example of the adults convincing the children that their playpen is where it's at. I can't find a single reference in the news section of their website to the debacle with Anthony Cunningham. No doubt they'll say they are working 'behind the scenes', but would it be so difficult to formulate some manner of agreed way of dealing with these disputes so we can nip them in the bud? Or are they actually happy for them to erupt on an ever more frequent basis?
Promoting money generation is easier than training kids in Belcoo . The US TV market is massive and there are over 100m people who'll watch sport , any sport.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Ash Smoker on November 24, 2015, 12:04:23 PM
Is this the GPA testing the water for a breakaway professional version of hurling?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: heffo on November 24, 2015, 12:05:38 PM
I think the fact that they didn't engage with the GAA in North America before doing this solo run is a bit worrying too. I said it at the time, and I think the point still stands. This is not 'hurling' and it does not serve as an advertisement for the game of hurling.

It does however launch a new game, which is being advanced by the GPA. I wonder if there will be a few more exhibition matches of this type, with a few bob going to the players? Perish the thought I know.

Large number of non-playing and management people travelled - will the plane to Inverness for the next Shinty International be as full?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 12:07:16 PM
Is this the GPA testing the water for a breakaway professional version of hurling?

I doubt it. I don't think it would be sustainable. But it might be the beginning of a harlem globetrotters version of exhibition games.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 12:08:15 PM
I think the fact that they didn't engage with the GAA in North America before doing this solo run is a bit worrying too. I said it at the time, and I think the point still stands. This is not 'hurling' and it does not serve as an advertisement for the game of hurling.

It does however launch a new game, which is being advanced by the GPA. I wonder if there will be a few more exhibition matches of this type, with a few bob going to the players? Perish the thought I know.

Large number of non-playing and management people travelled - will the plane to Inverness for the next Shinty International be as full?

GAA people heffo, or GPA people? I'm not emotionally invested in this either way, as I said it's not hurling, and my strongest reaction would be bemusement.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: heffo on November 24, 2015, 12:12:26 PM
I think the fact that they didn't engage with the GAA in North America before doing this solo run is a bit worrying too. I said it at the time, and I think the point still stands. This is not 'hurling' and it does not serve as an advertisement for the game of hurling.

It does however launch a new game, which is being advanced by the GPA. I wonder if there will be a few more exhibition matches of this type, with a few bob going to the players? Perish the thought I know.

Large number of non-playing and management people travelled - will the plane to Inverness for the next Shinty International be as full?

GAA people heffo, or GPA people? I'm not emotionally invested in this either way, as I said it's not hurling, and my strongest reaction would be bemusement.

Bit of both - if there presence means a greater ROI then I'm all for it - I'd still like to see answers to those questions I think it was Eugene McGee put to the GPA though..
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 12:13:39 PM
Is the ROI for the GAA though, or is it for the GPA and their members? I didn't see McGee's questions. Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: heffo on November 24, 2015, 12:17:27 PM
Is the ROI for the GAA though, or is it for the GPA and their members? I didn't see McGee's questions. Do you have a link?

That depends on what the goal of the match/Project is in general - if it's to increase the participation numbers in Hurling and it does that then great.

If it's a jolly for the boys and tv money for a small group of elite players then maybe not so - I'm still on the fence about it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/10-questions-of-public-interest-that-the-gpa-needs-to-answer-30696536.html
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 24, 2015, 12:18:17 PM
Is the ROI for the GAA though, or is it for the GPA and their members? I didn't see McGee's questions. Do you have a link?

That depends on what the goal of the match/Project is in general - if it's to increase the participation numbers in Hurling and it does that then great.

If it's a jolly for the boys and tv money for a small group of elite players then maybe not so - I'm still on the fence about it.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/10-questions-of-public-interest-that-the-gpa-needs-to-answer-30696536.html

I'd imagine it's the latter, but I might be cynical :)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Declan on November 24, 2015, 02:12:36 PM
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I'd imagine it's the latter, but I might be cynical

Well Donal Óg and Dessie were in fine fettle over the last few days. Big dinner etc on the Thursday night but as someone asked me after the game on Sunday - where is all the money going from the event??
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 24, 2015, 02:20:31 PM
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I'd imagine it's the latter, but I might be cynical

Well Donal Óg and Dessie were in fine fettle over the last few days. Big dinner etc on the Thursday night but as someone asked me after the game on Sunday - where is all the money going from the event??

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which...
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 24, 2015, 02:47:18 PM
I have no real objection to who organises this or who goes to it.

But can someone explain what the objective of all this is please?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: heffo on November 24, 2015, 03:08:12 PM
But can someone explain what the objective of all this is please?

From Sean Potts GPA:

"The objective of Super 11s is to bring the game to iconic venues like Fenway Park or Notre Dame, as we did two years ago," Potts explained.

"The concept was devised so that we could play our games abroad and showcase them.

"It's like the All Stars trip in that it gives us a chance to bring our games to special locations and include them as part of special events.

"It's like sevens rugby, Twenty-20 cricket or five-a-side soccer - they all endorse the traditional form of their games and lead back to them.

"They are promotional tools and that's what we see Super 11s as
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 24, 2015, 03:16:56 PM
But can someone explain what the objective of all this is please?

From Sean Potts GPA:

"The objective of Super 11s is to bring the game to iconic venues like Fenway Park or Notre Dame, as we did two years ago," Potts explained.

"The concept was devised so that we could play our games abroad and showcase them.

"It's like the All Stars trip in that it gives us a chance to bring our games to special locations and include them as part of special events.

"It's like sevens rugby, Twenty-20 cricket or five-a-side soccer - they all endorse the traditional form of their games and lead back to them.

"They are promotional tools and that's what we see Super 11s as

That doesn't add up.

It is nothing like 7s rugby, which has regular national and international competitions.
It is nothing like Twenty-20 cricket for the same reason.

As for 5-a-side soccer, is that what they want it to be? A new game that lads can set up some goals and away you go?

As for showcasing the games, to what end?

Bringing the best looking girl in Ireland to Fenway to show her off is great, but what is the point if Americans are never get to play with her?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 24, 2015, 03:38:47 PM
At least in 7s rugby or 5 aside soccer the rules are a fair reflection of the traditional form (I know nothing of 20-20 Cricket). Super 11s is closer to hockey than it is to hurling.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 24, 2015, 03:53:30 PM
I would say Twenty20 is very close to 'real' cricket. How they calculate the final score is different to Test cricket, but the mechanics of the game are almost the same. The thing is, when you see the stranglehold that the utterly corrupt Indian Premier League (IPL) has on the game, I'd be very careful before referring to it as a positive accompaniment to the traditions of the game.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: whitey on November 24, 2015, 04:19:56 PM
I was there on Sunday, and it was a great day out.

Got a great write up in the Boston Globe yesterday and the comments section had lots of people regretting they hadn't made it

My guess is that AIG paid for the lot.....these big financial firms have deep pockets when it comes to his sort of stuff and relative what it would cost o sponsor some major US sporting even, I'd guess that this was a drop in the bucket

The game isnt designed to appeal to hurling purists.....it's a Disneyfied version that is designed to appeal to the yanks, and obviously any expats who are looking for an excus to go on he lash

The head guy from the Red Sox said that it is going to happen again......soon.....if he has anything to do with it
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 24, 2015, 05:33:19 PM
At least in 7s rugby or 5 aside soccer the rules are a fair reflection of the traditional form (I know nothing of 20-20 Cricket). Super 11s is closer to hockey than it is to hurling.  ::) ::) ::)
I didn't think it was that different.
Give them a few years and it might gain some traction.

I thought it was interesting that they chose Dublin and Galway and not Kilkenny.
Presumably they'd ruin the format by winning everything.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 24, 2015, 05:37:17 PM
At least in 7s rugby or 5 aside soccer the rules are a fair reflection of the traditional form (I know nothing of 20-20 Cricket). Super 11s is closer to hockey than it is to hurling.  ::) ::) ::)
I didn't think it was that different.
Give them a few years and it might gain some traction.

I thought it was interesting that they chose Dublin and Galway and not Kilkenny.
Presumably they'd ruin the format by winning everything.

Dublin a given with AIG sponsoring and can you imagine Cody letting a Kilkenny team take part in this nonsense? There's an All Ireland next September to be preparing for.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: cicfada on November 24, 2015, 06:34:14 PM
I understand it to be a holiday for the two teams with an exhibition match thrown in. Changing the rules made sense given the size of the pitch and the impracticality of point scoring, cuts, 65s etc. I quite liked the short corners and the shot clock. There was also a short video shown of the American army regimental hurling team based in Concorde, Mass shown before the match on the NESN channel which televised it. If it gets people curious abs directs them to examples and/or teams that play it in the States then all the better.
 The only problem with the scrap was skehill sprinting that distance to get involved but he has previous form for not engaging brain before. I don't know if players got paid or not and I'd quite understand why the Galway lads got carried away with their celebrations. They've won fûck all and the stress has been huge on them recently. Can you imagine the abuse they're liable to get locally over the Cunningham heave?
Some of the criticism that the fight has received here has been way over the top, imho. Eddie Brennan for example and Dick Clerkin. I'm sure I could easily find examples of them being involved in unsavoury incidents if I wanted to.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: heffo on November 24, 2015, 07:30:09 PM
I don't know if players got paid or not

Its SOP for players to be given a daily allowance on International rules, All Star trips etc - there wouldn't be a fee involved.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 24, 2015, 08:47:11 PM
Still waiting for the GPA accounts to be published
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: MoChara on November 25, 2015, 08:51:36 AM
At least in 7s rugby or 5 aside soccer the rules are a fair reflection of the traditional form (I know nothing of 20-20 Cricket). Super 11s is closer to hockey than it is to hurling.  ::) ::) ::)

I'd say it was near identical to Lacrosse
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 25, 2015, 09:51:26 AM
Still waiting for the GPA accounts to be published

Evidently Cheddar ain't a big fan of this hockey/hurling hybrid!

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290)

 Laois manager Seamus Plunkett can't see how the Fenway Classic is doing anything to promote hurling.

Dublin and Galway battled it out in Boston on Sunday in the Super 11s but Plunkett points out that money would be better invested in promoting the indigenous game at home in weaker counties:

"I probably wouldn't question the wisdom of it if the work was going on here in Ireland," he states in The Irish Daily Mirror. "It's just when there is such a lack of strategic thinking about growing the game in these counties and then you have something like that, I think then it doesn't work.

"What was the objective of it? These things don't come cheap and they send two panels to the States? This is not about the money, it's really about the thinking behind the whole project.

"It's unclear how the game in Ireland is going to grow and then there's something like this. It just doesn't sit right and certainly I think you would have a completely different way of growing the game worldwide or Stateside or whatever that objective is than simply going and having a game in Fenway Park to promote it.

"We've a limited amount of money in terms of promoting the game in Ireland and I would just think that the full focus should be on that."



Hard not to argue with that.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 25, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
But can someone explain what the objective of all this is please?

From Sean Potts GPA:

"The objective of Super 11s is to bring the game to iconic venues like Fenway Park or Notre Dame, as we did two years ago," Potts explained.

"The concept was devised so that we could play our games abroad and showcase them.

"It's like the All Stars trip in that it gives us a chance to bring our games to special locations and include them as part of special events.

"It's like sevens rugby, Twenty-20 cricket or five-a-side soccer - they all endorse the traditional form of their games and lead back to them.

"They are promotional tools and that's what we see Super 11s as

That doesn't add up.

It is nothing like 7s rugby, which has regular national and international competitions.
It is nothing like Twenty-20 cricket for the same reason.

As for 5-a-side soccer, is that what they want it to be? A new game that lads can set up some goals and away you go?

As for showcasing the games, to what end?

Bringing the best looking girl in Ireland to Fenway to show her off is great, but what is the point if Americans are never get to play with her?
Why not? It could be played in any gym
And the more exposure hurling gets, surely the better
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Zulu on November 25, 2015, 06:55:52 PM
Still waiting for the GPA accounts to be published

Evidently Cheddar ain't a big fan of this hockey/hurling hybrid!

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290)

 Laois manager Seamus Plunkett can't see how the Fenway Classic is doing anything to promote hurling.

Dublin and Galway battled it out in Boston on Sunday in the Super 11s but Plunkett points out that money would be better invested in promoting the indigenous game at home in weaker counties:

"I probably wouldn't question the wisdom of it if the work was going on here in Ireland," he states in The Irish Daily Mirror. "It's just when there is such a lack of strategic thinking about growing the game in these counties and then you have something like that, I think then it doesn't work.

"What was the objective of it? These things don't come cheap and they send two panels to the States? This is not about the money, it's really about the thinking behind the whole project.

"It's unclear how the game in Ireland is going to grow and then there's something like this. It just doesn't sit right and certainly I think you would have a completely different way of growing the game worldwide or Stateside or whatever that objective is than simply going and having a game in Fenway Park to promote it.

"We've a limited amount of money in terms of promoting the game in Ireland and I would just think that the full focus should be on that."



Hard not to argue with that.

Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 26, 2015, 09:49:30 AM
Still waiting for the GPA accounts to be published

Evidently Cheddar ain't a big fan of this hockey/hurling hybrid!

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290)

 Laois manager Seamus Plunkett can't see how the Fenway Classic is doing anything to promote hurling.

Dublin and Galway battled it out in Boston on Sunday in the Super 11s but Plunkett points out that money would be better invested in promoting the indigenous game at home in weaker counties:

"I probably wouldn't question the wisdom of it if the work was going on here in Ireland," he states in The Irish Daily Mirror. "It's just when there is such a lack of strategic thinking about growing the game in these counties and then you have something like that, I think then it doesn't work.

"What was the objective of it? These things don't come cheap and they send two panels to the States? This is not about the money, it's really about the thinking behind the whole project.

"It's unclear how the game in Ireland is going to grow and then there's something like this. It just doesn't sit right and certainly I think you would have a completely different way of growing the game worldwide or Stateside or whatever that objective is than simply going and having a game in Fenway Park to promote it.

"We've a limited amount of money in terms of promoting the game in Ireland and I would just think that the full focus should be on that."



Hard not to argue with that.

Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?

To grow the game you have to start at underage and build a foundation. If we can't do that in counties on our doorstep with all the support and expertise available what hope have we outside the country?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 26, 2015, 10:00:13 AM
Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?

I'd be sure interested in hearing this strong argument.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2015, 10:10:30 AM
Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?

I'd be sure interested in hearing this strong argument.

More difficult is moot. Different difficulties might be more appropriate. In Kansas, you're not likely to meet many of the 'burn every ash plant' brigade.

To be honest though, I don't think this game is an advertisement for hurling. I think it's an advertisement for hurlers playing this new game. Sure it might make a pile of people look up hurling on the internet, but they'll barely recognise the game when they compare it to what they saw at the weekend. It would be like the NFL coming to London and playing flag football.

I do understand the constraints of playing somewhere like Fenway Park or Notre Dame, and the space dimensions, but maybe a 7 aside version of the game, with a rule that you can't score from inside your own half or something, would be more reflective of the game itself.

I don't think it does any harm, but I don't think it is an ad for hurling, and I'm sure there are hundreds of people in the US who would have been delighted to be involved in really trying to spread the game, like they are doing in Montana and other places, rather than this event going on a solo run and purporting to be the face of hurling to the people who attended.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 26, 2015, 10:36:26 AM
Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?

I'd be sure interested in hearing this strong argument.

More difficult is moot. Different difficulties might be more appropriate. In Kansas, you're not likely to meet many of the 'burn every ash plant' brigade.

To be honest though, I don't think this game is an advertisement for hurling. I think it's an advertisement for hurlers playing this new game. Sure it might make a pile of people look up hurling on the internet, but they'll barely recognise the game when they compare it to what they saw at the weekend. It would be like the NFL coming to London and playing flag football.

I do understand the constraints of playing somewhere like Fenway Park or Notre Dame, and the space dimensions, but maybe a 7 aside version of the game, with a rule that you can't score from inside your own half or something, would be more reflective of the game itself.

I don't think it does any harm, but I don't think it is an ad for hurling, and I'm sure there are hundreds of people in the US who would have been delighted to be involved in really trying to spread the game, like they are doing in Montana and other places, rather than this event going on a solo run and purporting to be the face of hurling to the people who attended.

It's a high profile, all expenses junket for the GPA to open up new revenue streams in the US, can't do that by attempting to develop hurling in Down/Armagh, Carlow or the likes.

It's all about the mullah, SFA about hurling development or the likes.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 26, 2015, 10:50:02 AM
More difficult is moot. Different difficulties might be more appropriate. In Kansas, you're not likely to meet many of the 'burn every ash plant' brigade.

Or Iowa.


Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 26, 2015, 10:54:00 AM
I await the first Louisville Slugger hurley :)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 26, 2015, 01:59:06 PM
Still waiting for the GPA accounts to be published

Evidently Cheddar ain't a big fan of this hockey/hurling hybrid!

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290)

 Laois manager Seamus Plunkett can't see how the Fenway Classic is doing anything to promote hurling.

Dublin and Galway battled it out in Boston on Sunday in the Super 11s but Plunkett points out that money would be better invested in promoting the indigenous game at home in weaker counties:

"I probably wouldn't question the wisdom of it if the work was going on here in Ireland," he states in The Irish Daily Mirror. "It's just when there is such a lack of strategic thinking about growing the game in these counties and then you have something like that, I think then it doesn't work.

"What was the objective of it? These things don't come cheap and they send two panels to the States? This is not about the money, it's really about the thinking behind the whole project.

"It's unclear how the game in Ireland is going to grow and then there's something like this. It just doesn't sit right and certainly I think you would have a completely different way of growing the game worldwide or Stateside or whatever that objective is than simply going and having a game in Fenway Park to promote it.

"We've a limited amount of money in terms of promoting the game in Ireland and I would just think that the full focus should be on that."



Hard not to argue with that.

Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?

To grow the game you have to start at underage and build a foundation. If we can't do that in counties on our doorstep with all the support and expertise available what hope have we outside the country?
Football is very engrained in a lot of counties so hurling starts off with a big disadvantage (not to mind the attitude of the hurling counties)
whereas abroad it's a blank slate. 
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 26, 2015, 02:04:41 PM
Anyway does anyone think the situation in Galway is bleak ?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on November 26, 2015, 04:27:57 PM
Still waiting for the GPA accounts to be published

Evidently Cheddar ain't a big fan of this hockey/hurling hybrid!

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290)

 Laois manager Seamus Plunkett can't see how the Fenway Classic is doing anything to promote hurling.

Dublin and Galway battled it out in Boston on Sunday in the Super 11s but Plunkett points out that money would be better invested in promoting the indigenous game at home in weaker counties:

"I probably wouldn't question the wisdom of it if the work was going on here in Ireland," he states in The Irish Daily Mirror. "It's just when there is such a lack of strategic thinking about growing the game in these counties and then you have something like that, I think then it doesn't work.

"What was the objective of it? These things don't come cheap and they send two panels to the States? This is not about the money, it's really about the thinking behind the whole project.

"It's unclear how the game in Ireland is going to grow and then there's something like this. It just doesn't sit right and certainly I think you would have a completely different way of growing the game worldwide or Stateside or whatever that objective is than simply going and having a game in Fenway Park to promote it.

"We've a limited amount of money in terms of promoting the game in Ireland and I would just think that the full focus should be on that."



Hard not to argue with that.

Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?

To grow the game you have to start at underage and build a foundation. If we can't do that in counties on our doorstep with all the support and expertise available what hope have we outside the country?
Football is very engrained in a lot of counties so hurling starts off with a big disadvantage (not to mind the attitude of the hurling counties)
whereas abroad it's a blank slate.

That's why it needs to be centrally driven. Take a hurling blackspot like Cavan. Divide the rural areas into groups, similar to the Kerry County Championship, East Kerry, West Kerry, etc. Use the clubs grounds in each area for training/matches etc. The big urban towns should be able to stand alone. Start young, get the kids going every Saturday morning for an hour at five years of age. Offer/pester every school going child to go every week. In twenty years time you should have a vibrant hurling scene with room for dividing each area to create more clubs.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 26, 2015, 04:59:36 PM
Still waiting for the GPA accounts to be published

Evidently Cheddar ain't a big fan of this hockey/hurling hybrid!

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290 (http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=247290)

 Laois manager Seamus Plunkett can't see how the Fenway Classic is doing anything to promote hurling.

Dublin and Galway battled it out in Boston on Sunday in the Super 11s but Plunkett points out that money would be better invested in promoting the indigenous game at home in weaker counties:

"I probably wouldn't question the wisdom of it if the work was going on here in Ireland," he states in The Irish Daily Mirror. "It's just when there is such a lack of strategic thinking about growing the game in these counties and then you have something like that, I think then it doesn't work.

"What was the objective of it? These things don't come cheap and they send two panels to the States? This is not about the money, it's really about the thinking behind the whole project.

"It's unclear how the game in Ireland is going to grow and then there's something like this. It just doesn't sit right and certainly I think you would have a completely different way of growing the game worldwide or Stateside or whatever that objective is than simply going and having a game in Fenway Park to promote it.

"We've a limited amount of money in terms of promoting the game in Ireland and I would just think that the full focus should be on that."



Hard not to argue with that.

Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?

To grow the game you have to start at underage and build a foundation. If we can't do that in counties on our doorstep with all the support and expertise available what hope have we outside the country?
Football is very engrained in a lot of counties so hurling starts off with a big disadvantage (not to mind the attitude of the hurling counties)
whereas abroad it's a blank slate.

That's why it needs to be centrally driven. Take a hurling blackspot like Cavan. Divide the rural areas into groups, similar to the Kerry County Championship, East Kerry, West Kerry, etc. Use the clubs grounds in each area for training/matches etc. The big urban towns should be able to stand alone. Start young, get the kids going every Saturday morning for an hour at five years of age. Offer/pester every school going child to go every week. In twenty years time you should have a vibrant hurling scene with room for dividing each area to create more clubs.
How much money would you need ?

I know a bit about developing rugby. 30 years ago they started in Monivea in Easht Galway and now they have a team in the Connacht League. But you do need committed people to keep the thing going.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Zulu on November 26, 2015, 05:19:23 PM
Why? There's a strong argument to be made that growing the game in Ireland would be more difficult than anywhere else in the world. Besides why do we have to pick either Ireland or the world, can we not do both?

I'd be sure interested in hearing this strong argument.

The other lads have basically answered this already but basically there are very large portions of the sporting playing pool already likely to chose other sports. In a small pool like Ireland it's hard for any sport to expand significantly. There's also a lot of teams of a very high standard and the nature of hurling means it's hard to bridge that gap and this increases the challenge of providing enough appropriate competition to keep lads involved.

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That's why it needs to be centrally driven. Take a hurling blackspot like Cavan. Divide the rural areas into groups, similar to the Kerry County Championship, East Kerry, West Kerry, etc. Use the clubs grounds in each area for training/matches etc. The big urban towns should be able to stand alone. Start young, get the kids going every Saturday morning for an hour at five years of age. Offer/pester every school going child to go every week. In twenty years time you should have a vibrant hurling scene with room for dividing each area to create more clubs.

Don't agree with this. You can support clubs or individuals who want to develop the sport but you can't, in my opinion, turn to a county that doesn't have much hurling and say we're going to change that from Croke Park. Cavan has a very vibrant club football scene as far as I know and Kilkenny has a very good hurling one, what is wrong with that?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: mouview on November 26, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
Anyway does anyone think the situation in Galway is bleak ?

No. Why?
Appoint the right (a better) man and things should resume as before. Should at the very least be a dead-cat bounce that will generate a bit of momentum.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 26, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
Anyway does anyone think the situation in Galway is bleak ?

No. Why?
Appoint the right (a better) man and things should resume as before. Should at the very least be a dead-cat bounce that will generate a bit of momentum.
Why? the thread title. I think if we get an improvement we might be able to stand up to Kilkenny for at least 50 minutes  :)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 26, 2015, 10:54:12 PM
If they can develop new hurling clubs in Cavan, then it can be done anywhere

no disrespect to cavan
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: macdanger2 on November 26, 2015, 11:56:32 PM
If they can develop new hurling clubs in Cavan, then it can be done anywhere

no disrespect to cavan

Surely Seanie Johnston deserves a mention here
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 27, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
If they can develop new hurling clubs in Cavan, then it can be done anywhere

no disrespect to cavan

Surely Seanie Johnston deserves a mention here

Sure he had to transfer to Kildare to get any club hurling  8)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 27, 2015, 09:17:48 AM
The other lads have basically answered this already but basically there are very large portions of the sporting playing pool already likely to chose other sports. In a small pool like Ireland it's hard for any sport to expand significantly. There's also a lot of teams of a very high standard and the nature of hurling means it's hard to bridge that gap and this increases the challenge of providing enough appropriate competition to keep lads involved.

It's difficult to introduce hurling anywhere, we can take that as read. The question is why it would be so much less difficult to introduce it in California or Connecticut than it is in Cavan or Carlow. The notion that there is some manner of population limit on the playing base of a sport in an area that, once breached, means other sports can pick up the slack, doesn't strike me as a strong argument. And the experience of Argentinian rugby does seem to contradict the idea that playing teams at the highest standard is an impediment to progress for a weaker entity.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 27, 2015, 05:00:08 PM
The other lads have basically answered this already but basically there are very large portions of the sporting playing pool already likely to chose other sports. In a small pool like Ireland it's hard for any sport to expand significantly. There's also a lot of teams of a very high standard and the nature of hurling means it's hard to bridge that gap and this increases the challenge of providing enough appropriate competition to keep lads involved.

It's difficult to introduce hurling anywhere, we can take that as read. The question is why it would be so much less difficult to introduce it in California or Connecticut than it is in Cavan or Carlow. The notion that there is some manner of population limit on the playing base of a sport in an area that, once breached, means other sports can pick up the slack, doesn't strike me as a strong argument. And the experience of Argentinian rugby does seem to contradict the idea that playing teams at the highest standard is an impediment to progress for a weaker entity.
Rubby has been played in Argentina for decades.
Hurling has an agricultural problem, OTOH.   You need a county with good land (Offaly is the exception) and in places like Kerry and Cavan the land is shite.
Now, it's not bad in CT so maybe it has better chance than in CN.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Zulu on November 27, 2015, 05:29:38 PM
The other lads have basically answered this already but basically there are very large portions of the sporting playing pool already likely to chose other sports. In a small pool like Ireland it's hard for any sport to expand significantly. There's also a lot of teams of a very high standard and the nature of hurling means it's hard to bridge that gap and this increases the challenge of providing enough appropriate competition to keep lads involved.

It's difficult to introduce hurling anywhere, we can take that as read. The question is why it would be so much less difficult to introduce it in California or Connecticut than it is in Cavan or Carlow. The notion that there is some manner of population limit on the playing base of a sport in an area that, once breached, means other sports can pick up the slack, doesn't strike me as a strong argument. And the experience of Argentinian rugby does seem to contradict the idea that playing teams at the highest standard is an impediment to progress for a weaker entity.

I didn't say it would be much less difficult to introduce it in California than Cavan, there are challenges in both examples but they are very different types of challenges.

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The notion that there is some manner of population limit on the playing base of a sport in an area that, once breached, means other sports can pick up the slack, doesn't strike me as a strong argument.

You wouldn't accept that developing hurling in a area with a population of 70K, all of whom know the sport but most play other ones, would be more difficult than an area with 39 million where most never heard of it? Outside of the potential to engage with far more people and thus generate far more players you also have more people who don't have any preconceived ideas of the sport, less people who might not want it to happen because it will take away from your football, soccer, rugby team etc.

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And the experience of Argentinian rugby does seem to contradict the idea that playing teams at the highest standard is an impediment to progress for a weaker entity.

As pointed out by Seafoid, Argentina has a far greater tradition of rugby than Cavan has of hurling. Besides the nature of hurling means that better teams tend to be able to hammer opponents. Japan beat South Africa in rugby and we beat Germany in soccer which highlights how the gap in quality can be bridged in some sports due to how they are played. It wouldn't be as easy to break that glass ceiling in hurling. Whereas a game developed in California might be at a level far below Kilkenny since they never have to play them or even see much of them the game could produce 40 teams who could compete against each other quite happily in California. Cavan teams would always need to play the outside their boundaries.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 27, 2015, 06:00:40 PM
Kilkenny have made the issue of developing hurling even worse. Now not even Cork can compete, never mind Cavan.

However Laois can beat Offaly (4 All Irelands) so there is some progress.

I suppose the nature of GAA competition where winning is restricted to a small coterie of counties is also an issue. Cavan and Ros, neither noted for their hurling success,  have rich football traditions but are basically lost when it comes to football competition.
Whatever this has to with bleakness in Galway is beyond me. 
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 27, 2015, 10:41:31 PM
The worst land in Meath and Westmeath has most of the hurling clubs
figure that out
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: muppet on November 27, 2015, 10:44:54 PM
Kilkenny have made the issue of developing hurling even worse. Now not even Cork can compete, never mind Cavan.

However Laois can beat Offaly (4 All Irelands) so there is some progress.

I suppose the nature of GAA competition where winning is restricted to a small coterie of counties is also an issue. Cavan and Ros, neither noted for their hurling success,  have rich football traditions but are basically lost when it comes to football competition.
Whatever this has to with bleakness in Galway is beyond me.


Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2015, 10:52:02 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=BKYqPJAzysQ (https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=BKYqPJAzysQ)
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 28, 2015, 11:54:18 AM
The worst land in Meath and Westmeath has most of the hurling clubs
figure that out
the exception that proves the rule !
Land is a massively misunderstood factor in the development of hurling.
Fertiliser may be the answer for Cavan.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 28, 2015, 05:14:31 PM
The worst land in Meath and Westmeath has most of the hurling clubs
figure that out
the exception that proves the rule !
Land is a massively misunderstood factor in the development of hurling.
Fertiliser may be the answer for Cavan.
The idea that land quality has anything to do with the popularity of hurling is ridiculous
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 28, 2015, 08:05:06 PM
The worst land in Meath and Westmeath has most of the hurling clubs
figure that out
the exception that proves the rule !
Land is a massively misunderstood factor in the development of hurling.
Fertiliser may be the answer for Cavan.
The idea that land quality has anything to do with the popularity of hurling is ridiculous
In fairness, it isn't. Hurling from the 1700s was a game patronised by well to do landlords who owned profitable estates in the better endowed parts of the country. Tipp, Cork and KK are the big three and all have fabulous farm land. It's not Mayo, Leitrim and Longford for a very good reason.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: keep her low this half on November 28, 2015, 08:16:41 PM
The green glens of Antrim are beautiful to look at but rubbish to farm ( too steep, thin soil, inclement weather etc etc ) hurling is still the number 1 sport in the area (although looking at Antrim hurlers you may doubt that ). Whatever about the 1700s all you need nowadays is a good pitch and some committed people. Areas like Cavan, Roscommon Mayo etc have plenty of good quality GAA pitches . What they are lacking is people committed to promoting hurling. In the regard of the pitches available they are light years ahead of the USA they also have the advantages of a league and championship set up to help promote the game if the will was there.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 28, 2015, 08:28:30 PM
The green glens of Antrim are beautiful to look at but rubbish to farm ( too steep, thin soil, inclement weather etc etc ) hurling is still the number 1 sport in the area (although looking at Antrim hurlers you may doubt that ). Whatever about the 1700s all you need nowadays is a good pitch and some committed people. Areas like Cavan, Roscommon Mayo etc have plenty of good quality GAA pitches . What they are lacking is people committed to promoting hurling. In the regard of the pitches available they are light years ahead of the USA they also have the advantages of a league and championship set up to help promote the game if the will was there.
A priest from Cork brought hurling to the Glens.
Sure if the land was good in antrim there wouldn't be any catholics on it anyway. The Ulster plantation was very like the creation of Israel- natives confined to poor upland areas while the invaders got the plains.
The land in Mayo and Ros is good in places but to hell or to Connacht was about land quality.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: theskull1 on November 29, 2015, 04:11:45 PM
I think Cork priest got hurling up and running in the likes of Dungannon and Buncrana as well. Very few listen to the instructions of a priest now.

See Tyrone have set up a development plan to get more clubs up and running over the next 10 years. Best of luck to them
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 30, 2015, 10:27:23 AM
I think Cork priest got hurling up and running in the likes of Dungannon and Buncrana as well. Very few listen to the instructions of a priest now.

See Tyrone have set up a development plan to get more clubs up and running over the next 10 years. Best of luck to them

Hurling was introduced to the Ards by a Tipp man in Portaferry and in later years a Kilkenny man to Ballycran.

Plenty of good farmland in the Ards, only in the last 30 to 40 years or so has it worked it way into nationalists hands, although in saying that the land our pitch resides on was bought from a protestant farmer in the 60's who was subsequently turfed out of the Orange Order.

Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 30, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
I'm sceptical of the whole good farmland thing. The best farmland in the country would be in Meath and that's not renowned as a hurling hotbed, no disrespect to the likes of Seán Boylan. My own vague theory is that hurling excellence is a function of proximity to other hurling counties. Back in the days before widespread private transport it was more important to be able to play your neighbours on a regular basis. Tournament matches were a huge deal, with the winners getting 'a line of suit' each. Antrim is an obvious exception but there's proximity theory at work there - to Scotland. There's a PhD to be written on the subject. In fact, I'm suddenly aghast 15 years after the event that I didn't consider the Geographical implications for my undergraduate dissertation...
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on November 30, 2015, 11:36:24 AM
I'm sceptical of the whole good farmland thing. The best farmland in the country would be in Meath and that's not renowned as a hurling hotbed, no disrespect to the likes of Seán Boylan. My own vague theory is that hurling excellence is a function of proximity to other hurling counties. Back in the days before widespread private transport it was more important to be able to play your neighbours on a regular basis. Tournament matches were a huge deal, with the winners getting 'a line of suit' each. Antrim is an obvious exception but there's proximity theory at work there - to Scotland. There's a PhD to be written on the subject. In fact, I'm suddenly aghast 15 years after the event that I didn't consider the Geographical implications for my undergraduate dissertation...

I think that's true to a certain extent, but what is the reason for those pockets? East Galway, South/West Offaly, North Tipperary, East Clare, East Limerick, could all be said to form one pocket. Kilkenny, Waterford, East Cork, South Tipp would be another large pocket. So if it is geographical proximity, what is the reason for the geographical centres in the first place?

North Kerry wouldn't border the Limerick hurling stronghold, put is obviously the hurling part of Kerry, and likewise the Ard Peninsula is out on its own.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: deiseach on November 30, 2015, 11:48:50 AM
I think that's true to a certain extent, but what is the reason for those pockets? East Galway, South/West Offaly, North Tipperary, East Clare, East Limerick, could all be said to form one pocket. Kilkenny, Waterford, East Cork, South Tipp would be another large pocket. So if it is geographical proximity, what is the reason for the geographical centres in the first place?

North Kerry wouldn't border the Limerick hurling stronghold, put is obviously the hurling part of Kerry, and likewise the Ard Peninsula is out on its own.

That's what I'd like to know too. Waterford, as it happens, was a hurling wasteland when the association was set up. In an era when Kerry were winning the hurling All-Ireland and Waterford were reaching the All-Ireland football final, Waterford won one Championship match on the field of play between 1887 and 1924. Once the seeds were planted in the 1920's, winning the Minor All-Ireland in 1929 (where we beat Meath, of all teams), there's no doubt in my mind that proximity to the hurling strongholds helped.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 30, 2015, 01:32:34 PM
I'm sceptical of the whole good farmland thing. The best farmland in the country would be in Meath and that's not renowned as a hurling hotbed, no disrespect to the likes of Seán Boylan. My own vague theory is that hurling excellence is a function of proximity to other hurling counties. Back in the days before widespread private transport it was more important to be able to play your neighbours on a regular basis. Tournament matches were a huge deal, with the winners getting 'a line of suit' each. Antrim is an obvious exception but there's proximity theory at work there - to Scotland. There's a PhD to be written on the subject. In fact, I'm suddenly aghast 15 years after the event that I didn't consider the Geographical implications for my undergraduate dissertation...

I think that's true to a certain extent, but what is the reason for those pockets? East Galway, South/West Offaly, North Tipperary, East Clare, East Limerick, could all be said to form one pocket. Kilkenny, Waterford, East Cork, South Tipp would be another large pocket. So if it is geographical proximity, what is the reason for the geographical centres in the first place?

North Kerry wouldn't border the Limerick hurling stronghold, put is obviously the hurling part of Kerry, and likewise the Ard Peninsula is out on its own.
http://irisharchaeology.ie/2011/09/hurling-its-ancient-history/

"Hurling continues to feature in Later Medieval Gaelic Irish and English sources, with the latter generally disapproving. It is hard to believe it now but in the 14th century that bastion of the modern game, Killkenny, attempted to ban hurling. This occurred in 1367 when the infamous Statutes of Kilkenny declared ‘do not, henceforth, use the plays which men call horlings, with great sticks and a ball upon the ground, from which great evils and maims have arisen’. Despite threats of fines and imprisonment, this law failed miserably and the black-and-amber-clad men of Kilkenny would become one of hurling’s powerhouses.  Similar measures to curtail hurling were also undertaken in Galway. These statutes, which were enacted in 1527, stated that people should ‘At no time to use ne occupy ye hurling of ye litill balle with the hookie sticks or staves.’ Thankfully, as in Kilkenny these laws seem to have had little lasting effect.



Indeed, the game appears to have been widely played in the latter middle ages.  In the far north of the country, for example, a 15th century Galloglass’s grave slab from Co. Donegal clearly depicts a sword, hurley and sliotar (see image to the left). Similarly in the south of the country, hurling was so prevalent, that the Lord Chancellor William Gerrarde was forced to reprimand the English settlers of the Munster Plantation for playing the game in 1587.

In the post-medieval period hurling continued to prosper, often under the patronage of the Anglo-Irish gentry. These matches drew large crowds and many colourful accounts of these games survive.

For example, in 1792, ‘a hurling match took place in the Phoenix Park’, Dublin in front of a vast ‘concourse of spectators’, with ‘much agility and athletic contention, until the spectators forced into the playing ground’. (King 2005, p. 18).

Similarly in 1827, a game at Callan, Co. Kilkenny is described thus, ‘It was a good game. The sticks were being brandished like swords. Hurling is a war-like game. The west side won the first match and the east the second. You could hear the sticks striking the ball from one end of the Green to the other’ (diaries of Amhlaoibh Ó Súilleabháin).

Inter-village and sometimes inter-county hurling matches flourished throughout the 19th century."

AZ's centres of hurling probably are linked to proximity on horseback for inter parish hurling in the 1700s/1800s
The other thing is that places where hurling was played in the Middle Ages may have opted for football post 1884 when the great energy of the GAA was unleashed.

Amhlaoibh Ó Súilleabháin sounds very interesting.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Owenmoresider on November 30, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
I'm sceptical of the whole good farmland thing. The best farmland in the country would be in Meath and that's not renowned as a hurling hotbed, no disrespect to the likes of Seán Boylan. My own vague theory is that hurling excellence is a function of proximity to other hurling counties. Back in the days before widespread private transport it was more important to be able to play your neighbours on a regular basis. Tournament matches were a huge deal, with the winners getting 'a line of suit' each. Antrim is an obvious exception but there's proximity theory at work there - to Scotland. There's a PhD to be written on the subject. In fact, I'm suddenly aghast 15 years after the event that I didn't consider the Geographical implications for my undergraduate dissertation...

I think that's true to a certain extent, but what is the reason for those pockets? East Galway, South/West Offaly, North Tipperary, East Clare, East Limerick, could all be said to form one pocket. Kilkenny, Waterford, East Cork, South Tipp would be another large pocket. So if it is geographical proximity, what is the reason for the geographical centres in the first place?

North Kerry wouldn't border the Limerick hurling stronghold, put is obviously the hurling part of Kerry, and likewise the Ard Peninsula is out on its own.
And further to that (and to save them the bother in their rather surprising absence) the Roscommon hurling pocket of 6/7 clubs straddles the East Galway border from Ballinasloe up to Ballygar.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 30, 2015, 08:10:22 PM
I'm sceptical of the whole good farmland thing. The best farmland in the country would be in Meath and that's not renowned as a hurling hotbed, no disrespect to the likes of Seán Boylan. My own vague theory is that hurling excellence is a function of proximity to other hurling counties. Back in the days before widespread private transport it was more important to be able to play your neighbours on a regular basis. Tournament matches were a huge deal, with the winners getting 'a line of suit' each. Antrim is an obvious exception but there's proximity theory at work there - to Scotland. There's a PhD to be written on the subject. In fact, I'm suddenly aghast 15 years after the event that I didn't consider the Geographical implications for my undergraduate dissertation...

I think that's true to a certain extent, but what is the reason for those pockets? East Galway, South/West Offaly, North Tipperary, East Clare, East Limerick, could all be said to form one pocket. Kilkenny, Waterford, East Cork, South Tipp would be another large pocket. So if it is geographical proximity, what is the reason for the geographical centres in the first place?

North Kerry wouldn't border the Limerick hurling stronghold, put is obviously the hurling part of Kerry, and likewise the Ard Peninsula is out on its own.
And further to that (and to save them the bother in their rather surprising absence) the Roscommon hurling pocket of 6/7 clubs straddles the East Galway border from Ballinasloe up to Ballygar.
And the Galway side of that border would be football country.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 30, 2015, 09:17:57 PM
A lot of those hurling clubs in Roscommon owe their existence to primary school teachers from Munster and Leinster counties arriving after the foundation of the state.

Some of the oldest hurling clubs in Galway played their hurling on dried up tourloughs in the summer time.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on October 28, 2016, 10:16:41 AM
Tan, Collins, Moore, Smith and Donnellan have not been invited to conditioning training. Might be the end of the line for them. An awful pity they didn't finish the deal. Some of the stand outs of the last decade.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Cyril Farrell fan on October 28, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Donoghue is being too quick to get rid of players who still have something to offer. This puts a lot of pressure on the younger players.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on October 28, 2016, 02:45:30 PM
Donoghue is being too quick to get rid of players who still have something to offer. This puts a lot of pressure on the younger players.

None of those lads were starters under Donoghue or if they were, they were used sparingly like Smith and Moore and if I read it right he's keeping an open ended panel.

I think he's right to have a good look over the young talent over the winter and NHL and make a decision in the spring. He's not going to see anything from those older lads he hasn't already seen before.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: ashman on October 28, 2016, 03:49:52 PM
Donoghue is being too quick to get rid of players who still have something to offer. This puts a lot of pressure on the younger players.

None of those lads were starters under Donoghue or if they were, they were used sparingly like Smith and Moore and if I read it right he's keeping an open ended panel.

I think he's right to have a good look over the young talent over the winter and NHL and make a decision in the spring. He's not going to see anything from those older lads he hasn't already seen before.

Next year is massive for Galway. 
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on October 28, 2016, 04:03:53 PM
Donoghue is being too quick to get rid of players who still have something to offer. This puts a lot of pressure on the younger players.

None of those lads were starters under Donoghue or if they were, they were used sparingly like Smith and Moore and if I read it right he's keeping an open ended panel.

I think he's right to have a good look over the young talent over the winter and NHL and make a decision in the spring. He's not going to see anything from those older lads he hasn't already seen before.
Plus they are in D2

They might be good subs.
I dont think it is bleak either
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga
Post by: seafoid on October 29, 2016, 04:15:57 PM
Galway County Board delegates were recently told that of €3.47m apparently generated in gate receipts from Leinster SHC and Walsh Cup games involving Galway between 2009 and 2015, the county received less than €130,000.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/galway-to-push-for-underage-hurlers-leinster-inclusion-1.2845885
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: ashman on October 29, 2016, 04:39:44 PM
Donoghue is being too quick to get rid of players who still have something to offer. This puts a lot of pressure on the younger players.

None of those lads were starters under Donoghue or if they were, they were used sparingly like Smith and Moore and if I read it right he's keeping an open ended panel.

I think he's right to have a good look over the young talent over the winter and NHL and make a decision in the spring. He's not going to see anything from those older lads he hasn't already seen before.
Plus they are in D2

They might be good subs.
I dont think it is bleak either

D2 will be hurling's equivalent of sex on legs next year.  Limerick , Galway , Davy's Wexford , a rejuvenated OFfaly. 
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga
Post by: seafoid on October 29, 2016, 05:04:25 PM
Galway County Board delegates were recently told that of €3.47m apparently generated in gate receipts from Leinster SHC and Walsh Cup games involving Galway between 2009 and 2015, the county received less than €130,000.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/galway-to-push-for-underage-hurlers-leinster-inclusion-1.2845885
I wonder how much Kilkenny got
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 05, 2016, 10:53:44 PM
Galway County Board delegates were recently told that of €3.47m apparently generated in gate receipts from Leinster SHC and Walsh Cup games involving Galway between 2009 and 2015, the county received less than €130,000.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/galway-to-push-for-underage-hurlers-leinster-inclusion-1.2845885
I wonder how much Kilkenny got
how much did Dublin get?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: gammysolo on November 06, 2016, 02:31:24 PM
Donoghue is being too quick to get rid of players who still have something to offer. This puts a lot of pressure on the younger players.

Good to see Liam get rid of the ringleaders who ousted previous managers.  You wonder would Mayo management have the same balls  to get rid of players rather let them pick the team especially their club mates?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: maigheo on November 06, 2016, 02:57:24 PM
Jeez Gammysolo will you give it up.Nobody is biting on your B.S
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Avondhu star on November 17, 2016, 09:52:58 AM
Galway have a big year ahead of them or otherwise they could hit the doldrums but then Wexford Limerick are in the same boat. Changes of management because of player power (especially non performing players) wont make it easy for managets to have atwo/three year development plan.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on November 17, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
What province will they be in?

They should just transfer into Ulster and do a home/away deal
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on November 23, 2016, 09:28:27 AM
What province will they be in?

They should just transfer into Ulster and do a home/away deal

I think they're better suited to Leinster, but they are shockingly badly treated by the Leinster Council.

What is to hinder Galway getting a home fixture every once in a while? If you're happy to invite them in, at least have the decency to let them compete on a level playing field.

Also,
   Its the GAA who need to get their finger out in relation to the other age groups as Galway going full tilt into Leinster has implications for hurling in Ulster in a big way!
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on November 23, 2016, 10:27:00 AM
The money situation is a joke  . Galway have made the Leinster championship more interesting and more competitive. And all they get is plámás.

It's a pity there is no similar team to do the thing in the Leinster fuball....
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on December 13, 2016, 04:40:52 PM
The money situation is a joke  . Galway have made the Leinster championship more interesting and more competitive. And all they get is plámás.

It's a pity there is no similar team to do the thing in the Leinster fuball....

Seems that motion was passed last night at the Galway county convention to go looking into Munster if they don't get a fair crack of the whip in Leinster.

It'll be interesting to see how Croke Park approaches this.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on December 13, 2016, 05:28:02 PM
The money situation is a joke  . Galway have made the Leinster championship more interesting and more competitive. And all they get is plámás.

It's a pity there is no similar team to do the thing in the Leinster fuball....

Seems that motion was passed last night at the Galway county convention to go looking into Munster if they don't get a fair crack of the whip in Leinster.

It'll be interesting to see how Croke Park approaches this.
Leinster won't accept the Galway minors and u21s
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 13, 2016, 06:34:17 PM
Ulster?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on December 14, 2016, 11:30:45 AM
Ulster?

Collateral damage is all Ulster hurling is if/when Galway move lock, stock and barrel into either Leinster or Munster.

Major issues with the current structure in hurling need addressed, but the traditional hurling counties won't make them for the betterment of hurling.

The drawbridge keeps getting pulled up for developing counties.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: PW Nally on December 14, 2016, 09:01:08 PM
Ulster?

Collateral damage is all Ulster hurling is if/when Galway move lock, stock and barrel into either Leinster or Munster.

Major issues with the current structure in hurling need addressed, but the traditional hurling counties won't make them for the betterment of hurling.

The drawbridge keeps getting pulled up for developing counties.
Know Ards is where the 3 strong hurling clubs in Down are but how many hurling clubs in Down and Antrim?
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on December 15, 2016, 09:02:54 AM
Ulster?

Collateral damage is all Ulster hurling is if/when Galway move lock, stock and barrel into either Leinster or Munster.

Major issues with the current structure in hurling need addressed, but the traditional hurling counties won't make them for the betterment of hurling.

The drawbridge keeps getting pulled up for developing counties.
Know Ards is where the 3 strong hurling clubs in Down are but how many hurling clubs in Down and Antrim?

10 to 12 hurling clubs in Down across the various grades. Antrim would be looking at 30 odd hurling clubs I would hazard a guess at.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on December 24, 2016, 03:17:19 PM
The whole championship/league structures are pathetic and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a clue that they need to be torn up. The league is a meaningless competition to win, and that's reflected in attendances and semi-competitive atmosphere at the games. The provincial championship/ qualifier system is uneven, boring and poorly attended. Munster Championship attendances have gotten as bad as Leinster. We need one well-structured competition run over a set period, where each county is guaranteed a few meaningful games against teams at their own level and this will benefit the club game too.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on December 24, 2016, 09:55:57 PM
The whole championship/league structures are pathetic and it's blatantly obvious to anyone with a clue that they need to be torn up. The league is a meaningless competition to win, and that's reflected in attendances and semi-competitive atmosphere at the games. The provincial championship/ qualifier system is uneven, boring and poorly attended. Munster Championship attendances have gotten as bad as Leinster. We need one well-structured competition run over a set period, where each county is guaranteed a few meaningful games against teams at their own level and this will benefit the club game too.
Link league performance to an championship, with maybe groups of 3/4. Ranking for league placings. Top two in.each group into knockout phase.
teams know what placings will get them into which group. No need for championship draw then. Makes it results based
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Avondhu star on April 14, 2017, 07:34:15 PM
Its April so Galway are priming up for their annual capitiation and blood letting
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on April 16, 2017, 02:46:07 PM
Its April so Galway are priming up for their annual capitiation and blood letting
Not this year

I was looking at how the team has changed in the last 3 years

2014 GALWAY (v Tipp in Thurles, qfs) : C Callanan; F Moore, R Burke, D Collins; I Tannian, Daithí Burke, J Coen; A Smith, P Brehony (0-1); David Burke (1-0), J Canning (capt) (0-5, one sideline), C Mannion (0-2); J Flynn (1-0), C Cooney (0-4, all frees), J Glynn (2-0).

2017 Galway (today) : C Callanan; A Tuohy, J Hanbury, A Harte; P Mannion, G McInerney, Daithi Burke; J Coen, David Burke; P Brehony, J Canning, J Cooney; C Whelan, C Mannion, C Cooney.

Pretty ruthless

And they are not far away from the top

Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnneycool on April 17, 2017, 09:58:29 PM
Its April so Galway are priming up for their annual capitiation and blood letting
Not this year

I was looking at how the team has changed in the last 3 years

2014 GALWAY (v Tipp in Thurles, qfs) : C Callanan; F Moore, R Burke, D Collins; I Tannian, Daithí Burke, J Coen; A Smith, P Brehony (0-1); David Burke (1-0), J Canning (capt) (0-5, one sideline), C Mannion (0-2); J Flynn (1-0), C Cooney (0-4, all frees), J Glynn (2-0).

2017 Galway (today) : C Callanan; A Tuohy, J Hanbury, A Harte; P Mannion, G McInerney, Daithi Burke; J Coen, David Burke; P Brehony, J Canning, J Cooney; C Whelan, C Mannion, C Cooney.

Pretty ruthless

And they are not far away from the top

Moore, Tainnion, Smyth, Collins were /are coming to the end of their careers so no surprises there and to be fair to the players and management they've had two good years on the bounce beaten by the eventual AI winners both years and IMO one team that Tipp will fear come the knockout stages of the championship
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: ashman on April 17, 2017, 10:01:07 PM
Its April so Galway are priming up for their annual capitiation and blood letting
Not this year

I was looking at how the team has changed in the last 3 years

2014 GALWAY (v Tipp in Thurles, qfs) : C Callanan; F Moore, R Burke, D Collins; I Tannian, Daithí Burke, J Coen; A Smith, P Brehony (0-1); David Burke (1-0), J Canning (capt) (0-5, one sideline), C Mannion (0-2); J Flynn (1-0), C Cooney (0-4, all frees), J Glynn (2-0).

2017 Galway (today) : C Callanan; A Tuohy, J Hanbury, A Harte; P Mannion, G McInerney, Daithi Burke; J Coen, David Burke; P Brehony, J Canning, J Cooney; C Whelan, C Mannion, C Cooney.

Pretty ruthless

And they are not far away from the top

To be honest Galway weren't very impressive yesterday .  Limerick were utterly awful .
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: From the Bunker on April 17, 2017, 11:13:45 PM
Its April so Galway are priming up for their annual capitiation and blood letting
Not this year

I was looking at how the team has changed in the last 3 years

2014 GALWAY (v Tipp in Thurles, qfs) : C Callanan; F Moore, R Burke, D Collins; I Tannian, Daithí Burke, J Coen; A Smith, P Brehony (0-1); David Burke (1-0), J Canning (capt) (0-5, one sideline), C Mannion (0-2); J Flynn (1-0), C Cooney (0-4, all frees), J Glynn (2-0).

2017 Galway (today) : C Callanan; A Tuohy, J Hanbury, A Harte; P Mannion, G McInerney, Daithi Burke; J Coen, David Burke; P Brehony, J Canning, J Cooney; C Whelan, C Mannion, C Cooney.

Pretty ruthless

And they are not far away from the top

Galway are never far from the Top in Hurling. That's because there are feck all real hurling Counties. There can't be many that are better than you!

From a Mayo perspective and my own club Ballyvary which is struggling badly. Liam McCarthy would be such a boost to Mayo Hurling as we all shout for Galway here.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on April 18, 2017, 10:26:24 AM
Its April so Galway are priming up for their annual capitiation and blood letting
Not this year

I was looking at how the team has changed in the last 3 years

2014 GALWAY (v Tipp in Thurles, qfs) : C Callanan; F Moore, R Burke, D Collins; I Tannian, Daithí Burke, J Coen; A Smith, P Brehony (0-1); David Burke (1-0), J Canning (capt) (0-5, one sideline), C Mannion (0-2); J Flynn (1-0), C Cooney (0-4, all frees), J Glynn (2-0).

2017 Galway (today) : C Callanan; A Tuohy, J Hanbury, A Harte; P Mannion, G McInerney, Daithi Burke; J Coen, David Burke; P Brehony, J Canning, J Cooney; C Whelan, C Mannion, C Cooney.

Pretty ruthless

And they are not far away from the top

To be honest Galway weren't very impressive yesterday .  Limerick were utterly awful .
Their stickwork is good and their passing is accurate so you would have to be happy with that.
Limerick are a couple of years behind Galway
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Asal Mor on April 19, 2017, 10:20:49 PM
Its April so Galway are priming up for their annual capitiation and blood letting
Not this year

I was looking at how the team has changed in the last 3 years

2014 GALWAY (v Tipp in Thurles, qfs) : C Callanan; F Moore, R Burke, D Collins; I Tannian, Daithí Burke, J Coen; A Smith, P Brehony (0-1); David Burke (1-0), J Canning (capt) (0-5, one sideline), C Mannion (0-2); J Flynn (1-0), C Cooney (0-4, all frees), J Glynn (2-0).

2017 Galway (today) : C Callanan; A Tuohy, J Hanbury, A Harte; P Mannion, G McInerney, Daithi Burke; J Coen, David Burke; P Brehony, J Canning, J Cooney; C Whelan, C Mannion, C Cooney.

Pretty ruthless

And they are not far away from the top
Ronan Burke was a bit unfortunate really. He was the first victim of the new Seamie and was thrown on the scrapheap after that 2014 game. Callanan has destroyed everyone else since too though, bar Daithi.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on April 23, 2017, 12:55:52 PM
Via Indo

You look at the centre of their defence, Daithi Burke was at number six, then they put him back to three. He has thrived there. 

"Gearóid McInerney has been a big find in this league at centre back. He's very strong and very mobile.

"Up front, people ask what if Joe Canning has an off-day?

"But in this league, we have seen the likes Cathal Mannion, Conor Cooney and Conor Whelan in particular share the scoring load.

"As a result, Canning is thriving in that playmaker role at number 11
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on April 25, 2017, 10:57:02 AM
This article from 2011 is a classic

 http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/vincent-hogan/vincent-hogan-have-galway-become-a-soft-touch-26743621.html
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: mouview on April 25, 2017, 11:25:16 AM
This article from 2011 is a classic

 http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/vincent-hogan/vincent-hogan-have-galway-become-a-soft-touch-26743621.html

Loughnane's tenure was disastrous but with a smidgin of luck could have taken KK in the '07 1/4 final. Well in it for a good hour and Damien Hayes, only for a slip, oh so nearly got behind the FB line where he would have been in on goal. Fergal Moore went off with a hamstring injury and Tannian was taken off. Only then did their direct opponents, Eddie Brennan and Tommy Walsh, thrive. The former went on a scoring spree to finish the match.

McIntyre was a small improvement. Shudda beaten KK in the Leinster semi' in '09 in Tullamore only for timid finishing from Aongus Callinan and Niall Healy when leading. Ditto in the qualifier v W'ford when in control; got caught badly on the hop that day. Again, won the league in '10 but went down bad in Leinster final. Recouped v. Tipp in 1/4 final but a late injury to Ollie may have been so costly; probably wouldn't have beaten KK in final anyway. Went down bad to Dublin in '11 semi-final. Regrouped well v Clare and Cork and looked to have good momentum going again until they ran into W'ford in Thurles and again went down bad. One step up, one step back.

I've said it before; Brian Cody largely ushered in a more modern approach to hurling, with more of an emphasis on strength and physicality in tandem with the skills of the game. It's taken Galway a long time to get up to speed with that, surprisingly so when they've been in Leinster since '09, the 'Vatican II' of Galway hurling.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on April 25, 2017, 02:45:31 PM
This article from 2011 is a classic

 http://www.independent.ie/sport/columnists/vincent-hogan/vincent-hogan-have-galway-become-a-soft-touch-26743621.html

Loughnane's tenure was disastrous but with a smidgin of luck could have taken KK in the '07 1/4 final. Well in it for a good hour and Damien Hayes, only for a slip, oh so nearly got behind the FB line where he would have been in on goal. Fergal Moore went off with a hamstring injury and Tannian was taken off. Only then did their direct opponents, Eddie Brennan and Tommy Walsh, thrive. The former went on a scoring spree to finish the match.

McIntyre was a small improvement. Shudda beaten KK in the Leinster semi' in '09 in Tullamore only for timid finishing from Aongus Callinan and Niall Healy when leading. Ditto in the qualifier v W'ford when in control; got caught badly on the hop that day. Again, won the league in '10 but went down bad in Leinster final. Recouped v. Tipp in 1/4 final but a late injury to Ollie may have been so costly; probably wouldn't have beaten KK in final anyway. Went down bad to Dublin in '11 semi-final. Regrouped well v Clare and Cork and looked to have good momentum going again until they ran into W'ford in Thurles and again went down bad. One step up, one step back.

I've said it before; Brian Cody largely ushered in a more modern approach to hurling, with more of an emphasis on strength and physicality in tandem with the skills of the game. It's taken Galway a long time to get up to speed with that, surprisingly so when they've been in Leinster since '09, the 'Vatican II' of Galway hurling.

They didn't have the players in the key positions and maybe the attitude was wrong. They could never seem to build up enough serious experience.  And the psychology was not good.
Getting Daithi Burke in at FB and McInerney at CHB is a huge improvement on previous years.
A decent FB and they could have won in 2015.
Kilkenny ruined hurling development in a lot of counties from 2006 on.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on April 25, 2017, 02:49:12 PM
Galway have always had hurlers, but in recent times lacked the grit that their teams of the 80s had. They have gained that physicality and drive now, and they don't have any fear of the likes of Tipp. Tipp seemed to have come up to that level too, which made for great games between them in the last two years. What last Sunday means in terms of championship we'll have to see, but Galway are as close as anyone. I actually fancy Waterford for the All Ireland this year.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: mouview on April 25, 2017, 04:12:43 PM
Galway have always had hurlers, but in recent times lacked the grit that their teams of the 80s had. They have gained that physicality and drive now, and they don't have any fear of the likes of Tipp. Tipp seemed to have come up to that level too, which made for great games between them in the last two years. What last Sunday means in terms of championship we'll have to see, but Galway are as close as anyone. I actually fancy Waterford for the All Ireland this year.

Seafoid is more correct; a few times square pegs have had to fill round holes, e.g. Kevin Hynes at FB, Tan at no. 6. Don't think it's down to grit or physicality alone. Last Sunday doesn't make Galway any closer to Liam I feel; not that long ago at all McInerney and Tuohy were being overrun by Wexford in Salthill and heaven forfend if Daithi Burke gets injured.

I still fear Tipp'. If they get a run on a team and edge 4/5 points ahead they have the explosiveness to double that lead in a short time. They would have pushed on same as Galway had they led by 0-11 to 0-5 at half-time on Sunday.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: AZOffaly on April 25, 2017, 04:15:51 PM
By recent times, I don't mean this crop. I think this team for the last 2/3 years, have been noticeably big, physical and athletic.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 25, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
they've basically copied the Kilkenny model
big physical hurlers all over the field - 'power hurling'
the way that county games are now refereed the rules favour heavy hitting players able to bulldoze their way through tackles
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on April 25, 2017, 05:36:58 PM
By recent times, I don't mean this crop. I think this team for the last 2/3 years, have been noticeably big, physical and athletic.
There was no consistency prior to 2012. The turnover of players was very high.

2010 league winners
GALWAY: C Callanan; D Joyce, S Kavanagh, O Canning; D Barry, T Regan, D Collins; G Farragher (0-6, four frees, one 65), D Burke (0-1); D Hayes (1-1), C Donnellan (0-1), A Smith (0-2); A Harte (0-3), J Canning (1-5), I Tannian (0-1). Subs: J Gantley (0-2) for Tannian (53 mins), K Hynes for Smith (62 mins), A Callanan for Burke (68 mins).

When Cunningham took over he decided to look ahead a bit and build a team around the 2011 Under 21 all Ireland winners.


GALWAY 2011 u 21 : K Finnegan; D Connolly, P Gordan, G OHalloran; N Donoghue, D Burke (0-4 all frees) , S Óg Linnane; J Coen (0-1) , B Daly; J Regan (0-1), N Quinn (1-2, gl from pen), E Forde (0-3, two frees); R Cummins (0-1) , G Burke, G Kelly (0-2). Subs: B Burke (1-0) for Cummins (half-time), J Grealish for Daly (48 mins), N Burke for G Burke (54 mins), J Cooney for Forde (60 mins).

Any team is usually a mixture of older and younger players

GALWAY 2012 Leinster final : 1 J Skehill; 4 F Moore, 3 K Hynes, 7 J Coen; 2 D Collins (0-1), 6 T Regan, 5 N Donoghue; 8 I Tannian, 9 A Smith; 11 N Burke (0-2), 10 D Burke (1-2), 15 D Hayes (0-1); 14 J Canning (1-10, 0-7 frees), 13 C Cooney, 12 C Donnellan (0-5). Subs: 22 J Glynn for C Cooney (53 mins), 21 J Regan for Tannian (57 mins), 25 T Haran for N Burke (61 mins), 17 J Cooney for Donnellan (71 mins). Yellow cards: Hynes (38 mins), Coen (54 mins), Collins (55 mins).

Hynes isn't  a full back.
Regan wasn't good enough.
Donnellan, Tannian , Moore and  Smith wouldn't be as good as their equivalents now imo

They nearly won in 2012 but normal service was resumed the  year after.

Now the 2011 under 21s are 26/27
And they have better central players
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 25, 2017, 10:18:27 PM
There is s great blend of hurlers and while Joe may take the limelight every so often there are just as many good hurlers on that team who have been placed in their best position for the county... was shocked at how steady they were against Waterford, they didn't once panic took their points and built momentum which Waterford couldn't claw back... before Galway would have wilted and took the wrong options, went for goals instead of tagging on points...

the spread of scores is positive also, decent mix and the win surprised me on Sunday
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: Rossfan on April 27, 2017, 11:07:11 AM
I hear rumours of a special Congress being contemplated for the Autumn to look at new format for the Hurling All Ireland Championship and to address the Galway "situation".
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: manfromdelmonte on April 27, 2017, 06:13:23 PM
I hear rumours of a special Congress being contemplated for the Autumn to look at new format for the Hurling All Ireland Championship and to address the Galway "situation".
Super 8 for hurling
So that'll basically be the national league mark II
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on February 28, 2019, 03:04:22 PM
What do you think of that Joe Brolly ?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0228/1033393-donaghy-galway-hurlers/
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnnycool on March 01, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
What do you think of that Joe Brolly ?

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0228/1033393-donaghy-galway-hurlers/

I'm no Joe Brolly but what's he going to tell Daithi Burke or the likes what they don't already know. Unless he's a bit of a phycologist on the side.

Utter nonsense IMO, a bit like Doug Howlett with Cork Hurlers and Bressie and his involvement with the Tipp lads.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on August 21, 2019, 09:07:32 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/miche%C3%A1l-donoghue-steps-down-as-galway-manager-1.3992750

Micheál Donoghue steps down as Galway manager
Tribesmen failed to finish in the top three of Leinster round-robin after defeat to Dublin

 
Seán Moran

 
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Galway hurlers are looking for a new manager after Micheál Donoghue informed Galway Bay FM late on Tuesday that he had let the county board know of his decision to step down after four years in charge.

The news was unexpected given that his term had been renewed earlier this year. His management team and selectors Noel Larkin Francis Forde are also leaving.

He leaves the most significant legacy of any Galway hurling manage in the past 30 years, having led the county in to its first Liam MacCarthy Cup since 1988 in 2017. He was named Philips Sports Manager of the Year in recognition of the achievement.

He told the local radio station that he felt the time was right to go.

Having reached last year’s final, Galway went out of this year’s championship in a shock early departure after losing to Dublin in Parnell Park, a result that combined with the Wexford-Kilkenny draw to eliminate Galway on scoring difference.

This year had already been difficult with a groin injury to key player and 2017 Hurler of the Year Joe Canning keeping him out for most of the championship.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: magpie seanie on August 21, 2019, 10:15:02 AM
Seems to have taken everyone by surprise this one.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: GaillimhIarthair on August 21, 2019, 11:25:53 AM
Rumors of issues between the management team and the county board started to surface over the summer and it now appears they were not unfounded.  Haven’t a clue what they were but the upshot is that we are searching for a new manager.   
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on August 21, 2019, 02:22:45 PM
Looking back to 2015 the situation didn't turn out to be that bleak.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on August 22, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/michael-verney-donoghues-shock-exit-leaves-tribe-at-crossroads-38425363.html
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnnycool on August 22, 2019, 12:55:52 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/michael-verney-donoghues-shock-exit-leaves-tribe-at-crossroads-38425363.html

I wonder if a financial tightening of the belts in Galway has expedited his departure?

He may have been coaxed to jettison some of the backroom staff.......
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: The Wedger on September 26, 2019, 11:57:10 AM
Davy Fitz spotted ordering a Smokey Bacon meal in Supermacs...
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: five points on September 26, 2019, 12:44:51 PM
Not sure if Davy Fitz and belt tightening belong in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on September 27, 2019, 09:55:50 AM
So Davy Fitz is staying with Wexford

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/it-would-have-broken-my-heart-to-walk-away-davy-fitzgerald-ends-talk-over-future-with-new-twoyear-wexford-term-38538416.html
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on October 02, 2019, 08:04:37 AM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/supermac-s-seeking-clarification-on-where-galway-spent-sponsorship-money-1.4036879

Supermac’s seeking clarification on where Galway spent sponsorship money
Fast-food restaurant chain have put €1.6m into Galway GAA since 2015
about 11 hours ago

Ian O'Riordan

 

Supermac’s, the sponsors of Galway GAA, have issued a statement seeking clarification from the Galway County Board on where exactly their sponsorship money has been spent and how the players and management and county board has benefited.

They claim it follows questions by the general public and delegates in relation to the Supermac’s sponsorship of Galway GAA.

The fast-food chain also outlined the amount of sponsorship given to Galway GAA over the past five years, with €1.25 million in direct payments plus over €340,000 in ancillary sponsorship.

Ancillary sponsorship includes facilitating fundraising events, schools and club’s sponsorship.

In a statement, they outlined their concerns:

“Supermac’s would like to seek clarification from the Galway County Board as to how this money was spent. Specifically, have the players and management benefited or has the county board benefited?

“Supermac’s raised financial concerns with the Galway County Board four years ago.

“Supermac’s understands that two investigations have taken place into the finances of Galway GAA; One conducted by Galway GAA and a second conducted by Mazars. Supermac’s is calling for these investigations to be made public immediately.

“The vast majority of the Galway GAA public and mentors, who give their time voluntarily for the promotion and administration of our games and the welfare of our players, deserve no less.”
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: johnnycool on October 09, 2019, 11:27:26 AM
All three potential candidates for the vacant Galway Hurling managers post pull out of the race.

With a team that can have serious aspirations of winning the AI there must be some mess behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Latest Developments In Galway Hurling Saga Show How Bleak The Situation Is
Post by: seafoid on October 09, 2019, 01:27:03 PM
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/galway-hurling-set-for-more-chaos-as-new-twist-hits-managerial-saga-38572553.html

Should Forde and Larkin remove their services later this week, it would throw Galway GAA into further chaos with a Donoghue return not to be discounted if changes were to take place at board level later this year.