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Title: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on October 30, 2015, 09:53:31 AM
Ok to facilitate the up and coming convention and various plots that are going on at the minute..
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on October 30, 2015, 10:08:50 AM
Deleted the one I set up at the same time MR2 so as not to confuse...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on October 30, 2015, 10:28:50 AM
The topic we left was re BM and the position of PRO. Yes he has been there before and obviously had a very mixed bag experience.

He is built into the Saffron Vision attempt to introduce a new level of professionalism into how our county affairs are conducted. After all PR is his business.

On the basis that he envisages some/many/all of the Saffron Vision group getting elected he is probably a lot more confident that the end result of this will see a more capable board who will represent Antrim in a vastly improved way.

On that basis he is happy to allow his name to go forward once again!






Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on October 30, 2015, 11:23:58 AM
R u his pro bannside or did he tell u that lol

The thing is the vision is saying out with all things old and in with the new, some of the names listed were old also!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on October 30, 2015, 11:34:15 AM
For the ordinary person/supporter they will want to know what difference anyone new coming in will bring that the old guard didnt?

Basically how are we going to get our hurling out of Div 2 and our football out of the depths of Div4? When will casement start? why hasnt dunsilly started even tho a tender was a pproved and a contractor appointed?

That is what they will ask. How can these new people bring it about.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Spike on October 30, 2015, 11:52:38 AM
It certainly sounds like things we've heard before but to give credit they have went about it in a novel way (compared to previous years).  For that alone I give them their dues. Lets be honest, anything is an improvement as the complete an utter shambles of casement and dunsilly cant be overlooked. We must be the only county in Ireland that has no county standard ground (and by that I mean a ground that can handle a 15,000 plus people.)

Feels very fractured at the moment. I think getting geroid  in the management team was a good idea but the amateur attitude needs to go
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: rashCharacter on October 30, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
I don't know an awful lot about most of them but I don't see any down side to voting them in.
They can't do any worse than the incumbents, and I don't mean that in a flippant way, they actually couldn't do ANY worse.

There is actually nothing left to go wrong - no money (and no idea where it goes), no pitches (Casement razed to the ground), county teams as low as they can go.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on October 30, 2015, 01:00:01 PM
Not anyone's PRO Culchie but will say it as I see it. Personally I thought he was a bit too professional and cultured to be associated with many in the outgoing board, and I give him credit for suffering through his previous tenure in very difficult circumstances. We need a PRO badly who can explain /communicate/sell Antrim at a whole lot of levels. As that's his profession he will get my vote all day long.

That's what I see happening here. A fully fledged and vastly experienced accountant is challenging for the Treasurer position. Every member of Saffron Vision has some kind of proven business or professional acumen.

Thats fantastic but even more importantly they are all gaels who have long track records of involvement in the association as players mentors or club officials. That tells me they are presenting themselves for the right reasons....not to forward their own self serving intetests as full time career Gaa officials.

That's not to say there are a few good candidates outside their group. I really don't mind who the person is as long as he/she is the most suitable and best qualified to represent Antrim going forward.

It may end up a mix amd match but collectively the end result should see a management committee who can get Antrim back on track.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on October 30, 2015, 01:18:55 PM
Not anyone's PRO Culchie but will say it as I see it. Personally I thought he was a bit too professional and cultured to be associated with many in the outgoing board, and I give him credit for suffering through his previous tenure in very difficult circumstances. We need a PRO badly who can explain /communicate/sell Antrim at a whole lot of levels. As that's his profession he will get my vote all day long.

That's what I see happening here. A fully fledged and vastly experienced accountant is challenging for the Treasurer position. Every member of Saffron Vision has some kind of proven business or professional acumen.

Thats fantastic but even more importantly they are all gaels who have long track records of involvement in the association as players mentors or club officials. That tells me they are presenting themselves for the right reasons....not to forward their own self serving intetests as full time career Gaa officials.

That's not to say there are a few good candidates outside their group. I really don't mind who the person is as long as he/she is the most suitable and best qualified to represent Antrim going forward.

It may end up a mix amd match but collectively the end result should see a management committee who can get Antrim back on track.


I love your  positive attitude BS, it's bang on the nose, straight down the middle. Instead of looking for flaws in the Saffron Vision, which no doubt some people will end up doing, why not vote them on and see what happens. We really can't go any lower both on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on October 30, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
To be honest theres no point in changing the guard if what replaces them is as inept as what was there before. Makes no sense at all.

I dont know all of the people wanting in, rather i only know of a few of them. Im more interested in seeing how they intend to bring about the change and what their long term plan is.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on October 30, 2015, 03:07:26 PM
R u his pro bannside or did he tell u that lol

The thing is the vision is saying out with all things old and in with the new, some of the names listed were old also!
You seem to be an opponent of Antrim vision or dismissive of them at least. Is there any reason for that? Is it the individuals involved? The fact that they appear to be a collective? You are reluctant to rid ourselves of the old guard?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on October 30, 2015, 03:11:36 PM
To be honest theres no point in changing the guard if what replaces them is as inept as what was there before. Makes no sense at all.

I dont know all of the people wanting in, rather i only know of a few of them. Im more interested in seeing how they intend to bring about the change and what their long term plan is.
I have heard that they have contacted clubs and asked to meet with them to discuss their plan and to answer questions. Your club secretary has probably been contacted.

If the current crowd is inept and you decide to vote for another crowd who turn out to be just as inept, at least you tried something. Or the status quo remains.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: btdtgtt on October 30, 2015, 03:39:25 PM
I don't like this running en masse idea in general.

But they will be better than the current lot.

Why?
Well they simply can't be any worse.

If for that alone I hope for change.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on October 30, 2015, 03:50:50 PM
To be honest theres no point in changing the guard if what replaces them is as inept as what was there before. Makes no sense at all.

I dont know all of the people wanting in, rather i only know of a few of them. Im more interested in seeing how they intend to bring about the change and what their long term plan is.
I have heard that they have contacted clubs and asked to meet with them to discuss their plan and to answer questions. Your club secretary has probably been contacted.

If the current crowd is inept and you decide to vote for another crowd who turn out to be just as inept, at least you tried something. Or the status quo remains.

Thats true HS.

Its def interesting to see a group wanting to get in and instigate change. I want to see what they have to offer
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on October 30, 2015, 04:03:23 PM
I have said before that I think some of Antrim vision will get voted in and some will not.

I think wee joe as I have said did a good job with fixtures which used to be a mess and for that reason I think he will be more than capable as chair. Some other positions I'm not so sure, treasurer is v important role and a professional approach is a good way to go.

As for some others who may be decent candidates, to me r square pegs in round holes. They r being put forward for positions that maybe don't suit them & that Other option  is a better one. We will know a full list of nominees come Monday.

Yes a lot has went wrong for the current group with casement and dunsilly. But sometimes u r better the devil u know than the one u don't! Also remember a few of those in current group are on their way out anyway. Some say they can't be any worse, of course they can. They can demolish divisional boards and our clubs can have leagues that r not fit for purpose.

Mr Reilly is trying to redo The press release now to smooth it over but sure they can do like politicians do and say all the right things and use buzz words until the get the result of votes.
The thing that worries me is why r 2 big business men pushing the vision group and ringing round clubs asking for votes?! I smell something fishy! One of which has his companies name on the front of our senior county Jersey at present!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on October 30, 2015, 04:35:26 PM
I cannot agree that Joe Edwards is anywhere near capable for chair, let alone more than capable. While you praise him on fixtures, cast your mind back to what made Antrim the biggest laughing stock in the country this year, with us being ridiculed on the Sunday Game?

Better the devil you know is a cop out. The devil we know has been a total failure and if we don't try an alternative, now that the opportunity has arisen, we can only blame ourselves. There is no guarantee that the alternative will be better but if you don't try something else, you'll end up with the same result. They have denied that they are scrapping divisional boards btw.

Finally, the fact that a man who has given money to Antrim for the last number of years is unhappy with those using the money says a lot really.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on October 30, 2015, 05:16:17 PM
For our current sponsors to stick with the Antrim sponsorship deal in very trying economic times is testimony to their loyalty. That should be commended. That one family member may or may not be involved in trying to instigate a more professional set up is testament to his individual passion to see Antrim punch to their proper weight, and not miles beneath it as has been the case for years.

If he, or any businessman can use any influence to entice a few gaels with proven business acumen to put their hand up for the Saffrons then that has to be applauded, not condemned.

Culchie, you definitely seem very anti this group. Are you not prepared to see what they have to offer when they go out to meet the clubs in the next few weeks....or is your mind closed to the fact that they represent some alterior (fishy) motive. And if so what on earth could that motive be except to make a bold move to put Antrim Gaa on the map.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on October 30, 2015, 06:55:16 PM
There will be a few boys keen to cast their eye over the Treasurer's report this year. Brendan Wilson will need to think hard/be advised well or there could be very serious implications.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on October 31, 2015, 10:41:06 AM
You're 100% right there HS. I know one thing. If Pol Mc Canna gets elected as Treasurer he will be forensic about every last detail. The treasurers report this year will need to stand the closest ever scrutiny. If there is the least financial irregularity, or side deal done on a nod and a wink, I can imagine the consequences won't be pretty. The inventory will need to stand up too. Right down to the raw material in the defunct Casement Park.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on October 31, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
I know this is slightly off topic but our club Roger Casements have a big fundraising drive on now to build a second pitch and upgrade existing facilities.

We have car loads of club volunteers out selling tickets for a prize draw in neighbouring parishes etc. Next Friday night will see our sixth completed week and hopes are high that by then we will have £100k of sales.

If one club can achieve this in so short a period you have to ask what the bloody hell could our county not do if it was remotely organised!!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on October 31, 2015, 11:30:13 AM
You're 100% right there HS. I know one thing. If Pol Mc Canna gets elected as Treasurer he will be forensic about every last detail. The treasurers report this year will need to stand the closest ever scrutiny. If there is the least financial irregularity, or side deal done on a nod and a wink, I can imagine the consequences won't be pretty. The inventory will need to stand up too. Right down to the raw material in the defunct Casement Park.
There is one line in particular under Income that some are waiting to read. If it is reported the same way as it has been in previous years, the boys may think about getting their suits left into the dry cleaners. It has been made abundantly clear to them by various legal teams that they have been reporting falsely so they have no excuse.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: JimStynes on October 31, 2015, 05:21:22 PM
Joe Edwards as chair  ::) ::) Jesus christ
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: SaffronHeart on October 31, 2015, 08:49:42 PM
What club is Brendan Wilson associated with now McDs are gone? Surely you should have to be a member of a club to be on a county board. In my eyes he is a prime example of a person who serves his own interests rather than whats best for the county. From what I know about Terry Reilly (the supposed organiser) he is an Antrim man through and through who has Antrims best interests at heart.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on October 31, 2015, 09:14:04 PM
What club is Brendan Wilson associated with now McDs are gone? Surely you should have to be a member of a club to be on a county board. In my eyes he is a prime example of a person who serves his own interests rather than whats best for the county. From what I know about Terry Reilly (the supposed organiser) he is an Antrim man through and through who has Antrims best interests at heart.
Brendan Wilson is a member of O'Donnells GAC. Only to facilitate his position on county executive mind you. He's as much an O'Donnells man as Kim Jong-un.

Sure, same as Jim Murray & St Johns.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on October 31, 2015, 10:16:15 PM
I'm quite happy to explain why I'm prepared to go forward again; I think I can (i) do a good job as PRO and (ii) play a useful role as part of a wider group which has a shared vision for our county. It is also clear to me that the group seeking election are prepared to put in the effort and energy to try and change Antrim for the better.

So on the basis that we can either wait around and hope for change to come about, or try and actually change things, I'm going with the second option.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on October 31, 2015, 10:26:58 PM
I suppose the obvious question is, what made you jack it last time that you don't foresee as a problem this time?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on October 31, 2015, 10:46:32 PM
If the new group gets elected en masse then everything is changed, its a chance for the county to make a new start.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on October 31, 2015, 11:25:23 PM
If the new group gets elected en masse then everything is changed, its a chance for the county to make a new start.
Completely agree. We have been crying out for a fresh start for years. If we don't take it now, we deserve everything we get and can feck up complaining about them.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 01, 2015, 10:36:50 AM
I wonder when the Saffron Vision group will start to get round the county to articulate their vision to the clubs and regional boards. This will be essential because there is a clear misunderstanding  amongst some that this group are a bunch of businessmen who have no relevant experience in the world of Gaa officialdom.

Knowing a lot of the group, nothing could be further from the truth, but the club officers who mandate their delegates at AGM would need this level of assurance too. A round of meetings should adequately clear up this misconception.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 01, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Bannside I don't think clubs should facilitate such talks or clarification process. They issued their statement now let it run and let clubs vote. I for one wouldn't let mr Reilly come talk to anyone after a voicemail I heard he left the south Antrim chair, bully boy tactics r still alive and well in the west! If I was IT literate I would post it here for all to listen.

U should also talk to ur own club as some I spoke today at cargin game that aren't on same hymn sheet as urself in no uncertain terms!


Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hurlingstick on November 01, 2015, 08:54:53 PM
I cannot agree that Joe Edwards is anywhere near capable for chair, let alone more than capable. While you praise him on fixtures, cast your mind back to what made Antrim the biggest laughing stock in the country this year, with us being ridiculed on the Sunday Game?

Better the devil you know is a cop out. The devil we know has been a total failure and if we don't try an alternative, now that the opportunity has arisen, we can only blame ourselves. There is no guarantee that the alternative will be better but if you don't try something else, you'll end up with the same result. They have denied that they are scrapping divisional boards btw.

Finally, the fact that a man who has given money to Antrim for the last number of years is unhappy with those using the money says a lot really.

Joe Edwards has done a fantastic job in the various posts he has held. Not everyone's cup of tea but puts the graft in. Fixtures run smoothly and nobody pulls the wool over his eyes. Do you know how many voluntary hours he puts in a week? Never claims expenses, exactly the type of honest workmanship needed.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward hurling stick you are right about joe well said
Post by: Clover on November 01, 2015, 09:14:37 PM
I cannot agree that Joe Edwards is anywhere near capable for chair, let alone more than capable. While you praise him on fixtures, cast your mind back to what made Antrim the biggest laughing stock in the country this year, with us being ridiculed on the Sunday Game?

Better the devil you know is a cop out. The devil we know has been a total failure and if we don't try an alternative, now that the opportunity has arisen, we can only blame ourselves. There is no guarantee that the alternative will be better but if you don't try something else, you'll end up with the same result. They have denied that they are scrapping divisional boards btw.

Finally, the fact that a man who has given money to Antrim for the last number of years is unhappy with those using the money says a lot really.

Joe Edwards has done a fantastic job in the various posts he has held. Not everyone's cup of tea but puts the graft in. Fixtures run smoothly and nobody pulls the wool over his eyes. Do you know how many voluntary hours he puts in a week? Never claims expenses, exactly the type of honest workmanship needed.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Clover on November 01, 2015, 09:18:39 PM
Hurling stick your right about joe well said  does a job were everyone hates him but does it fair so good luck to him
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hurlingstick on November 01, 2015, 09:36:38 PM
Hurling stick your right about joe well said  does a job were everyone hates him but does it fair so good luck to him

We can't tar everyone with the same brush. If we adopted that line of thinking every club would be w#$@ers because of a select few. Joe works his socks off. He deserves credit for his giving of time and effort. I'm not speaking in favour of the current board but I am speaking out for someone who I know first hand gives his all.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 01, 2015, 11:43:21 PM
Culchie I saw you yesterday at the match and afterwards hard in discussion outside the dressing room.

It's not the oul hands you need to convince. It's the younger smarter gael who isn't prepared to take much more of the same kind of shite for much longer. Those men you talked to know no better. They have been so used to seeing our county fail for so long now that they have accepted that as our eternal fate. By the way I was talking to both of them an hour ago in the club.

In fact if you see my post this morning it is that Saffron Vision need to educate the typical clubman that they are every bit as good and dedicated and experienced a gael (and might I add with the potential to be much much better) as those who have gone through regional boards as their springboard in recent years.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 01, 2015, 11:55:24 PM
Hurlingstick & Clover your sticking up for the work of Joe Edwards is admirable. I don't know the man but yes I acknowlege that he has been in the bear pit fighting fires and trying to sort out Antrims problems for the best part of ten years. Does he not need a rest at this stage? Does he not think himself that maybe things just haven't gone as well as he might have liked.....and that maybe letting a different face/voice/crowd in might be in the best interests of the county???

Just thinking like.....
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 02, 2015, 12:02:17 AM
Culchie another point.

What have you against letting clubs or regional boards host an information session to hear what Saffron Vision have to offer. You would be welcome to join the discussion and stand up and voice your concerns.

My feeling is that because the county is in such a mess that the emergence of a group who are presenting themselves with the sole purpose of sorting this mess out for once and for all should be welcomed. Exactly why would you not be in favour of that?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bogieman on November 02, 2015, 05:55:35 AM
Fair play to wee joe. He has done a sterling job so far, long may it continue.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 02, 2015, 07:59:27 AM
I'd have thought that anyone who has completed a ten year shift at county level might just want to go back to his club and attempt to improve their lot.

I really worry when gaa career officials (Joe isn't the only one by a far stretch) think that working at county level is somehow a superior feat than working at own club level.

The men going forward for SV have a great mixture of club experiences.

And they will be fresh too.


Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Rasharkin Gael on November 02, 2015, 09:50:39 AM
My  initial reaction to  Saffrons was positive.  Change is needed at CB level, but after listening to the now infamous voice mail left to the SA chairman i would have serious problems supporting that particular candidate. Also the removal of the divisional boards i can not agree with. We play in one all county league, Minor. That has been an awful league for us. When it was SW league we were sure of games and fixture dates, but now in all county, very few city teams travel to play their away fixtures if more than 10 miles outside their home base and give little or no notice if they are not fullfiling a fixture. The 16-18 age group is the biggest drop off time for young players and if we cannot give them regular football they will leave. I think the SW board does an excellent job and i would not like to see it removed. Still change is badly needed at the top and while a few of the saffron candidates would look like excellent supporting then a full ticket is problematic.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: btdtgtt on November 02, 2015, 09:57:07 AM
Removal of divisional boards is a strange one to declare if you are looking for votes?
Purely in tactical terms.

What's the voicemail story?
I appear to have been under a rock for that!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: imtommygunn on November 02, 2015, 10:08:51 AM
My  initial reaction to  Saffrons was positive.  Change is needed at CB level, but after listening to the now infamous voice mail left to the SA chairman i would have serious problems supporting that particular candidate. Also the removal of the divisional boards i can not agree with. We play in one all county league, Minor. That has been an awful league for us. When it was SW league we were sure of games and fixture dates, but now in all county, very few city teams travel to play their away fixtures if more than 10 miles outside their home base and give little or no notice if they are not fullfiling a fixture. The 16-18 age group is the biggest drop off time for young players and if we cannot give them regular football they will leave. I think the SW board does an excellent job and i would not like to see it removed. Still change is badly needed at the top and while a few of the saffron candidates would look like excellent supporting then a full ticket is problematic.

I would second the south west thing. I would hate to see the board removed - at every age group through the ranks we had a guaranteed match every week. That does not seem possible when you take the south west board out of it. The league action and the south west championships are great. The split of the underage leagues into having a shield also gets more games for kids. I don't think it should even be under consideration for being removed.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 02, 2015, 10:45:03 AM
bannside on ur idea that wee joe should take a rest, I would counter act that and say where have saffron view been for the ten years he has been trying his best for Antrim GAA?!

I didn't c u in newry yest, if I had I would've had a good chat about this situation!

Hopefully later we can get the full list of nominees and just c who is running against who!
Because in my opinion that's how it will work 8 two horse races!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 02, 2015, 11:06:47 AM
There are good candidates involved outside of Saffron Vision. Eight two horse races is what it will turn out to be in my opinion. I've never said differently. I am not a spokesman for Saffron Vision. I want what's best for Antrim full stop.

I don't support this all county league stuff either just because South Antrim can't get their house in order in this regard.

Let's not all jump to automatic conclusions. And Culchie you know where I live you can talk to me anytime.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 02, 2015, 11:21:11 AM
And anyway this stuff about all county leagues is      not something that will happen without the consent of the democratic majority and so can't see that happening. NA and SW leagues running perfectly. City leagues a shambles and have been for years. The same way that SA board have been a shambles too.....and that's where some of our current officials have emanated.

Work it out for yourselves!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on November 02, 2015, 12:23:30 PM
I'll say it again - there is no proposal to remove Divisional Boards, thats not stated in our letter and is not the case.

The fact that it was circulated among clubs that the group of people seeking election was also seeking to remove divisional boards was not based on fact. Being kind you could say it was an accidental mistake.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 02, 2015, 04:44:59 PM
C11 you must be related or a member of the present regime, how can you promote an executive or certain members that have made Antrim the laughing stock of this island? The constant lies and deceitful approach of certain members over the years, the Dunsilly tenders and appointments shrouded in secrecy, the election of present hurling officials being dominated by certain individuals and their personal agendas. How can you promote officials that have either stood-by and let this happen or have been accomplices in what has occurred and ask the Gaa people of Antrim to let them pedal their own agendas for another 5years!! The old saying is the TRUTH will out eventually and i would see some people running for major cover, if certain scenarios hit the papers shortly. The wee man attends dinners and states he will not use it as an election platform and then rants on about what he welcomes and BS after BS. He was part of this for 5years how can he ask people in good faith to give them their vote after the balls ups that have been accomplished by the present executive!!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 02, 2015, 04:47:56 PM
BrendanBelfast how does the team plan to get around the recent frustrated outburst? Surely it has played into some peoples hands? And please don't let on you are not familiar with this, the dogs in the street have heard it and the MMS is circulating like wildfire... BTW I totally understand the frustration...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 02, 2015, 06:41:25 PM
Blue blood i am neither of the aforementioned.

Sure I might not even be a member of a GAA club & therefore have no rights whatsoever in what happens to our county!!

As I said before some of both groups will get in and we will have a mixed group who I hope will sort things out between them for the betterment of Antrim GAA.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 02, 2015, 10:06:23 PM
Now we're talking a bit of sense. Whatever is for the better of the GAA in Antrim.

I'm fully in favour of the Saffron Vision initiative. It offers great hope that the debacle of the last few years can be rescued and some pride restored.

That's wee Joes achilles heel. As vice chair for 5 years you just can't put your hands up and say this mess has nothing to do with me. You get tainted by association and for that reason fresh leadership is essential.

Confident that will happen and also confident a few non SV officials will be elected....and go on to enjoy a fruitful and productive tenure surrounded by a new management team who are fresh, motivated and capable.

How does that sound to you Culchie?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 02, 2015, 10:16:24 PM
After hearing the rumours of the voicemail that was left to a South Antrim official, one of the Saffron Vision lads should be told to get to do one. I've not listened to it but by all accounts it is disgraceful.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 02, 2015, 10:30:07 PM
I'm interested now. How bad can it be?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on November 02, 2015, 10:41:41 PM
"BrendanBelfast how does the team plan to get around the recent frustrated outburst? Surely it has played into some peoples hands? And please don't let on you are not familiar with this, the dogs in the street have heard it and the MMS is circulating like wildfire... BTW I totally understand the frustration..."

I haven't heard the 'outburst' but I know that: (i) its a voicemail left following the circulation of a misleading email to all clubs about the intentions of the group re divisional boards, and that it named one person from our group specifically; (ii) the person who left the voicemail has subsequently apologised to the recipient; (iii) the recipient has in turn apologised for sending the original email. But the mutual apology doesn't suit the narrative and therefore isn't part of the story.

Listen, ours is an honest attempt to initiate positive change. That was frustrated almost immediately we contacted clubs and led to an angry outburst - big deal. We pledged at the outset not to get involved in finger pointing or 'tit for tat' exchanges with fellow Gaels and we'll do our best to stick to that.

Bannside - we are contacting clubs and have met a number already - all so far have welcomed the debate and acknowledge the need for a change of approach. But, clubs have their own decision making processes and we'll respect that.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 02, 2015, 11:08:10 PM
Having someone on the Co Executive who is prepared to stand up for himself and by extension the county might be a better proposition than the current lot who just take what Ulster council and Croke park hand down with a touch of the forelock.

Make absolutely no mistake there is zero respect for current Antrim officialdom from anyone at  provincial or national level. This can only happen if we deliver a new dynamic leadership. We have to earn that respect by sending a clear message that Antrim Gaels can put in place a top management team who Ulster and beyond are comfortable doing business with.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Clover on November 02, 2015, 11:18:30 PM
Delargy why don't u run and try and make things better you do enough slobbering about everybody else talk is cheap no smart answers back put or shut up
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 02, 2015, 11:38:57 PM
Instead of playing the man what else do you have to offer this discussion.

So you are not in favour of the prospect of fresh leadership? Are you happy with the performance of recent officialdom?  Have they represented Antrim well? Would they gave the respect of their peers throughout Ulster? Are they qualified to perform their roles? Is it fair to say some of them are well out of their depths?

Because that's by far the general consensus across the board.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 02, 2015, 11:41:16 PM
I'm interested now. How bad can it be?


Im the same. I hear it's rash enough!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Sportacus on November 02, 2015, 11:41:46 PM
Like many I would like to see a major shake-up, but one wee thing niggles me.  The Antrim Vision Cultural Officer nominee on the literature tweeted by Antrim Post and re-tweeted by Club Aontroma says he's represented his club in Scor for the past 8 years.  Well I've been to practically every Scor event in the county throughout that period and I only ever saw his club on the odd occasion.  Have I missed something or are candidates CV's being exaggerated?  I sincerely hope not.  I'm just a grass roots Saffron but I don't want any smoke blown at me.  Happy to be corrected, Saffron Vision must have complete integrity.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 02, 2015, 11:50:42 PM
Delargy why don't u run and try and make things better you do enough slobbering about everybody else talk is cheap no smart answers back put or shut up

The cold neutrality of an impartial judge right there.  ::)

Hows that moving a discussion in the right direction?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 03, 2015, 12:00:10 AM
Brendan just noticed your response re meeting the clubs. Thanks for the update.

Constructive debate is good. The people and the clubs can make their own decisions and if there is any smoke blowing going on it will be, and deserves to be exposed.  I agree entirely with Sportacus on that one.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 03, 2015, 12:21:26 AM
Would be hard to find anyone who could say that Antrim have been well led or communicated to over the last 20 years (and possibly longer). Now anyone who volunteers should be respected if their sole motivation is to see their club/county move forward in the right direction, but if its not happening a personnel change is needed.

I'd like to see a complete change of guard for the simple reason that they are selling the idea of change and transparency. Now change can be for the worse or the better but I'm willing to give them a go. I think they'll get more backing
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gizzy15 on November 03, 2015, 07:28:29 AM
Would be hard to find anyone who could say that Antrim have been well led or communicated to over the last 20 years (and possibly longer). Now anyone who volunteers should be respected if their sole motivation is to see their club/county move forward in the right direction, but if its not happening a personnel change is needed.

I'd like to see a complete change of guard for the simple reason that they are selling the idea of change and transparency. Now change can be for the worse or the better but I'm willing to give them a go. I think they'll get more backing

+1
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 03, 2015, 09:23:04 AM
Any word on nominations?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 03, 2015, 11:42:15 AM
hardstation, i have heard that unfortunately the candidate on the saffron view ticket for treasurer, had to withdraw, as per gaa rules, u need to be a member of a gaa club by a certain date!

as i say unfortunate as the said person was a professional in this area.

this is bound to be a big blow to their ticket!

i take it that the rest of the candidates will be relased to clubs for consideration shortly.



Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 03, 2015, 01:10:05 PM
C11 how can you in good faith back a team that have continually play musical chairs over the last number of years created all these issues, a CS who will allegedly do anything to stop the present Hurling mangers proposal team due to personal reasons ( maybe he shouldn't purchase fast food late at night with too much drink on board, slows your reaction speed) and even drive to Cork to dig up a candidate ( Hope expenses weren't claimed for that). What astounds me is the clubs have let this go on for so long, the lies, deceit, secret society approach and you want another term of the same people in different roles with grubby fingers in lucrative pies? Promising Dunsilly sorted, Casement sorted, relying on senior officials in Ulster wiping their arse and cleaning up the s*** they have help create. Dunsilly should have been completed not sorted in the next 6/7months, disrespecting hard working people who donate the hard earned cash as if its their own? making decisions thats outside their pay grade and intelligence? Show me one of them that would write a substantial cheque today? Na they will stand as judge and jury though, making speeches proud as punch about whats happening next!!! lets deal with what should have happened and been achieved by now rather than next year next year...... Ah I hear you say " Their all Antrim men after all"
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on November 03, 2015, 02:20:59 PM
I dont think there is any need for the animosity that is involved here.

There is going to be an open and transparent election of officers as the norm. If the Antrim Vision guys are standing then there is the opportunity to elect them. There is no need to go about dragging dirt or flying accusations around about fellow volunteers. Everyone can and does have their opinion on how things could/ should have been done better, but for the good of the county as whole I would be prepared to listen to all sides and their proposals and then make informed decisions.

The key to lasting change is bringing everyone one along and not isolating groups.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 03, 2015, 03:51:48 PM
Granted NAG1 however when fellow volunteers have peddled the continual lies for so long what can you believe? I would say there is very little open and transparent about the present body with its Trinity at the core C, VC and Sec..... if recent rumblings are prooved to be factual, I would love to attend this Thursday meeting and anyone know who Frank Smith is?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 03, 2015, 03:59:34 PM
What's happened?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on November 03, 2015, 04:13:23 PM
BB what lies are being peddled?

What has yet to be proved factual?

I think it is only fair if you are more or less naming the people involved that you back this up with something more than hearsay and rumour.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on November 03, 2015, 04:57:04 PM
I'm all for reasoned and positive debate but this isn't it. I'm opting out of this thread; over to the clubs.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 03, 2015, 05:21:07 PM
NAG1 the next few days should highlight some of what I refferred to, Brendan Belfast should know what I am indicating at and its disappointing to see hes withdrawing from the discussion, this is positive, and thorny issue's need to be dealt with, surely BB deals with this sort if thing professionally every day.  All I would say is that I would like to hear what C Barr has to say doing his role, I for one would trust him..... He has no other agenda than the success of Antrim Hurling...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 03, 2015, 05:31:34 PM
Granted NAG1 however when fellow volunteers have peddled the continual lies for so long what can you believe? I would say there is very little open and transparent about the present body with its Trinity at the core C, VC and Sec..... if recent rumblings are prooved to be factual, I would love to attend this Thursday meeting and anyone know who Frank Smith is?

Are you an Antrim Gael?? Then if you don't know Frank Smith then you're not really in the know
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 03, 2015, 05:54:01 PM
Sarcasm Mr Mc hes had more seats than the opera house!  ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 03, 2015, 11:13:18 PM
Blue blood I am not exactly sure what u r on about but I am reading between the lines and will ask does the position of county secretary ever come up for review?! If so when is it next due for renewal?! Seems a lot of the same problems arise from one main area!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 04, 2015, 08:02:05 AM
Who is outgoing assistant secretary?

What duties does the assistant secretary have? What would be his remit?  Who would he report to? Culchie I'm sure you have a good idea!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 04, 2015, 11:41:23 AM
Who (else) is running for Treasurer / Ass. Treasurer?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gizzy15 on November 04, 2015, 05:04:22 PM
Who (else) is running for Treasurer / Ass. Treasurer?

I think PMcC may still be in with a chance, wouldn't have put his name forward if he was not sure he met the criteria  ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 04, 2015, 05:28:33 PM
Of all the positions the one of Treasurer is probably the most vital. Pol Mc Canna suffers no fools and will make sure financial structures are professional robust and accountable.  If true Gizzy this is great news. 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: JimStynes on November 04, 2015, 09:32:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e1Mw9g3k5bs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e1Mw9g3k5bs)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 04, 2015, 09:49:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e1Mw9g3k5bs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e1Mw9g3k5bs)
;D
I have seen it all now. Fair play to him. It's getting like the US Presedential election.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: The Worker on November 04, 2015, 09:57:16 PM
Is that real or a pisstake?  ;D
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Clover on November 04, 2015, 10:02:21 PM
Sean Kelly great video well done
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: btdtgtt on November 04, 2015, 10:21:55 PM
Please tell me that is a piss take.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 04, 2015, 10:24:37 PM
It's not. Candidates have started to send their 'CV' around the clubs. That's his way of doing it.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: btdtgtt on November 04, 2015, 10:47:13 PM
That's his CV?

I know nothing more about him from before it than after it!

Some sort of Yankee film speech and some images of by-gone Antrim days nothing to do with him?
That's his cv?

Talk about show over substance?
Donald Trump-esque?

As I say - if that's his cv it tells us nothing about him!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: btdtgtt on November 04, 2015, 11:30:53 PM
Id love to hear this voice mail  ;D
What's the general content?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 04, 2015, 11:37:35 PM
Ffs lads he is going for the position of PRO, which is to promote Antrim GAA, the video is his way of showing you what he can do! Probably a better cv than to list his achievements.

I couldn't put that together that's for sure, fair play to him, he obviously really wants the job when he went to that bother!

Mclarnon of St. Paul's is running for treasurer I think. As I said it would be unfortunate if the sv candidate didn't get to run due to a clerical hitch. 2 good candidates.

full list of candidates won't be known until candidates accept their nomination, the date for that is next Monday. Rules eh!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 04, 2015, 11:53:01 PM
Aye, I wouldn't be too hard on him. It's certainly cheesy and probably "not the best" but he tried something different. Fair play to him.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 05, 2015, 12:00:53 AM
Fair play to him is right. Obviously a proud Antrim supporter and a bit of nostalgia did no one any harm. His opposite number, Brendan Mulgrew is a director of one of the leading Public relations firms in Belfast. He will have what you call a CV!

That role too will need someone on top of their game. PR for all things Antrim Gaa have been at its most negative ever. We need a skilled and experienced practicitioner to mend our image and restore confidence across the board. 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 05, 2015, 12:04:53 AM
Id love to hear this voice mail  ;D
What's the general content?

I've heard quite a few lads talking about it. Few swear words, offering to meet and sort problems out like men etc. It's doing the rounds on a few building sites at be minute so hopefully I'll get a listen.



Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: btdtgtt on November 05, 2015, 09:19:08 AM
The run up to this year's convention has been fantastic!
At a time without any games of note it's a daily mix of comedy and soap opera and mystery!

I'm not being frivolous - on the serious side fair play to all involved in running for positions.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 05, 2015, 10:33:31 AM
Who (else) is running for Treasurer / Ass. Treasurer?

I think PMcC may still be in with a chance, wouldn't have put his name forward if he was not sure he met the criteria  ;)

Who are "riders" for Assistant?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: btdtgtt on November 05, 2015, 11:56:14 AM
Did he really offer to meet and sort it out like a man ;D
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Sportacus on November 05, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
Why has current Assistant Secretary complained about another candidate contacting clubs seeking their support - What could ever be wrong with that?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 05, 2015, 10:06:53 PM
Why has current Assistant Secretary complained about another candidate contacting clubs seeking their support - What could ever be wrong with that?
If this is to do with Stephen O'Boyle's letter to clubs, I think you are being very unfair. I didn't see much complaint and he actually acknowledged competition as healthy.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 05, 2015, 10:12:10 PM
Also seems that Pol Mac Cana isn't out of the race at all?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Sportacus on November 05, 2015, 10:55:45 PM
He's been "forced to write to clubs", the other candidates letter has put him at a "disadvantage", he's writing to clubs with "huge reluctance"
That's complaining in my book. 
Why be hugely reluctant to write to clubs? Sure it's great, let the grass roots see the candidates track record and more importantly what their targets are if elected.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 05, 2015, 11:09:09 PM
Ach I think he was just outlining his reasons for writing it.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Sleeping giant on November 06, 2015, 04:31:12 AM
C11 you must be related or a member of the present regime, how can you promote an executive or certain members that have made Antrim the laughing stock of this island? The constant lies and deceitful approach of certain members over the years, the Dunsilly tenders and appointments shrouded in secrecy, the election of present hurling officials being dominated by certain individuals and their personal agendas. How can you promote officials that have either stood-by and let this happen or have been accomplices in what has occurred and ask the Gaa people of Antrim to let them pedal their own agendas for another 5years!! The old saying is the TRUTH will out eventually and i would see some people running for major cover, if certain scenarios hit the papers shortly. The wee man attends dinners and states he will not use it as an election platform and then rants on about what he welcomes and BS after BS. He was part of this for 5years how can he ask people in good faith to give them their vote after the balls ups that have been accomplished by the present executive!!!
haven't taken part in this but I've kept up to date.  This post is 110%.  And you could prob have listed more on their personal agendas.  The hole lot has to go.and can't expect to go unchallenged. Keep doing what you've always done and you'll get what you've always got.  I hope there all roaded and this truth your talking about comes out.  Deceitful shower of heurs. 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 06, 2015, 01:55:20 PM
Just a matter of waiting now until early next week to see the official list of runners and riders.

As far as I can gather the "county board " have issued instructions to regional boards not to be hosting information evenings at the request of Saffron Vision. In other words placing a block from allowing club officials to educate themselves about their background and their aspirations. Seems very petty to me.

Why don't the regional boards grow a set and host their own evenings....and invite ALL those with a vested interest to come along and share an information platform. That would create a level playing field for all, wouldn't it?

There is a precedent too. I know SW Antrim invited the two potential chairmen (John Mc Sparran and Gerry Mc Clory) to come down and make their plans known in advance to interested club delegates pre election 2005.

Now I wonder why the existing county officials seem to think this is a hostile action? Why would they not embrace this opportunity exactly?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 06, 2015, 01:59:47 PM
Apparently, despite convention timetable indicating that nominees would be notified by 3rd Nov, enabling them to reply by 9th, they have not been notified at 2pm on Friday 6th! How can anyone confirm or reject a nomination if they haven't been so notified? Is something underhand going on? I think rank and file members would like to be aware of this!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 06, 2015, 02:10:39 PM
Can any Gaaboard poster on here confirm whether or not they have received theirs yet....lol!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 06, 2015, 03:26:39 PM
well cnma, brendanbelfast & blueblood have u received yours yet?!  8)

bannside as an election agent for the visionaries, ur bound to know that info too!

im not sure about the divisional boards being instructed not to facilitate saffron vision, more they maybe dont want to get involved in them politics as they will have to work with whoever gets the jobs!

the clubs themselves can hold such meetings, as has been carried out this week in 2 lough shore clubs, where pinky & the brain aka tony & dick have delivered the vision! fair play to them, they are getting their message out there, will it work, we will have to wait and see!

keep ur ears to ground for a shot in the arm for the old guard!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 06, 2015, 03:28:41 PM
Culchie, have you heard any more on Pol Mac Cana's situation?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 06, 2015, 03:52:00 PM
Culchie, have you heard any more on Pol Mac Cana's situation?

nope havent heard anymore, only what another poster said on here a few days ago that he might be back in race!
some sort of confusion over rules, he wasnt a full member so to speak at start of year but has corrected that now, i think it is something to do with the timescales.

if he is eligible he will run & if not unfortunately he wont.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 06, 2015, 03:54:18 PM
C11 havent heard yet the CS hasnt given his concenus to me yet  ;D, needs to get next Tuesdays interviews over with the 3 D***s that have been ordered on to the interview panel for New Hurling Manager (Like Turkeys for Christmas). Heard Big T E against his wishes is back on again. Mr Mcac Cana,s position is safe enough HS if he still wants it.. Fck I thought house of cards was great, nothing on this executive.. Here HS your big lad (Honey Monster)  running for VC is very quiet atm??? Bring it on Mr Barr we are all waiting and the suspense is killing me.. :-X
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: CentreHalfBack on November 06, 2015, 04:07:15 PM

Cathaoirleach (Chairperson)
Joe Edwards
Colin Donnelly
Leas-Cathaoirleach (Vice Chairperson)
Sean Fleming
Malachy Delargy
Leas-Rúnaí (Asst Secretary)
Stephen O Boyle
Terry Reilly
Cisteoir (Treasurer)
Billy Mc Larnon
Paul Mc Cann
Leas-Cisteoir (Ast Treasurer)
Gerald Mc Garry
Tyrone Eastwood
Oifigeach Caidrim Poibli  (PRO)
Sean Kelly
Brendan Mulgrew
Oifigeach Oiliuna  (Coaching)
 
Columb Walsh
Oifigeach Forbartha  (Development)
Frank Smyth
Jim Murray
Jim Mc Grath
Oifigeach Teanga & Cultur (Language &  Culture)
John Hart
Bronagh Lennon
Teachta Ard Comhairle (Central Council)
Phillip Christie
Danny Mc Lernon
Frank Smyth
Teachta Comhairle Uladh (2) (Ulster Council)
Alex Mc Quillan
Jim McLean
Tyrone Eastwood
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 06, 2015, 04:08:54 PM
C11 as we share a common link could you enlighten me as to how much is outstanding, still to be paid to players for expenses on the Hurling Team from this season, or better still can we pay it? Maybe the CC, VC or CS can write a cheque for it, they way other real geals have down for years without thought supporting this great county, or are we waiting on the 4.30 at Newmarket! After all we are all ANTRIM MEN ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 06, 2015, 04:37:36 PM
blueblood to start with i dont have a common link with urself and u have lost me completely with ur cryptic messages!

i dont know who is interviewing potential hurling managers nor do i know how much is owed in expenses to players.
but please do enlighten us all...

from the list i wonder why saffron vision didnt run someone for the coaching post or development?!
for me christie would be best suited in development  as he is one of the best about at that role, as i said square peg round hole.

blueblood i am starting to think u could be very good at leaving voicemails lol go on give us a blast of "dickh##d did u use my name in an email" lol classic stuff lol
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: ManInBlackandGreen on November 06, 2015, 05:13:06 PM
Jesus lads use have been busy and like sleeping gaint i too have been watching with interest. Where is Geteven? I thought this platform would be perfect for him as he has made some tremendous points this last few months. This process is rotten and i cant believe the sheer conflict of interests that exist in the arena.

I can confirm and you heard it here first!!! Mr Lennon and Manley has the County Hurling Managers/coach job!! CS been doing some travelling these days.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 06, 2015, 05:23:49 PM
If the list CHB put up is "the list", what do we reckon? Surely Collie Donnelly will have a landslide victory? Pol Mac Cana has much more to offer as Treasurer than Billy McLarnon?

Tyrone Eastwood is still knocking about? I thought he got the road long ago?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 06, 2015, 05:50:23 PM
It's not the County secretarys job to have anything to do with choosing a hurling manager or any kind of team manager. If so this is just another example of unqualified people making decisions in this county. Who has FQ played for. Who has he coached?

County secretary is for taking notes and making sure procedures are followed. That's why a very strong assistant secretary is needed...to remind FQ every day that this is what is role will be and not to overstep that.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 06, 2015, 06:11:41 PM
C11 what about this instead??


Or "can we meet tomorrow or Wednesday and we'll talk about this, man to man"

I heard the voicemail today. Cringeworthy to say the least. Who does yer man think he is?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 06, 2015, 06:22:39 PM
I haven't heard it but from the bits you are posting, it doesn't seem that bad. Maybe I was just expecting worse. Like, "meeting and talking about this, man to man" doesn't exactly mean a digging match but "rather than scaremongering and sending false information about me around the clubs, I'll tell you face to face my intentions".

And let's be honest, the 'victim' isn't exactly adverse to the odd abusive rant?? Mention Eamonn O Briain to him and you'll hear worse.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 06, 2015, 06:31:59 PM
I haven't heard it but from the bits you are posting, it doesn't seem that bad. Maybe I was just expecting worse. Like, "meeting and talking about this, man to man" doesn't exactly mean a digging match but "rather than scaremongering and sending false information about me around the clubs, I'll tell you face to face my intentions".

And let's be honest, the 'victim' isn't exactly adverse to the odd abusive rant?? Mention Eamonn O Briain to him and you'll hear worse.


I don't know the 'victim' so I'm not in position to comment on him. All I can comment on is that an abusive voicemail was left by a man who wants to hold a senior position within our county, it's not acceptable in my opinion. Yes, granted everybody can go off on a rant from time to time but maybe a wee bit of common sense is required from him, you simply can't ring people and call the d***heads or an effing p***k down the phone. It would seriously make me consider voting for him if I had to.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 06, 2015, 06:34:32 PM
It certainly isn't the correct thing to do, I agree.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 06, 2015, 06:39:52 PM
Looks like it can be spinned to suit. The main thing to remember is the two protagonists have dealt with it sensibly and both have accepted overstepping the mark...so best to move on now. But that mightnt suit one or two agendas, would it? But yes Paddy John it wasn't clever and showed a lack of class. But would he be a better CS, that's the real question.

Stephen O Boyle a good lad too and will have plenty of support. This one will be close. Give me the one who can stop FQ overstepping his mark, because he has his nose stuck in too many corners beyond his remit.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: CentreHalfBack on November 06, 2015, 06:51:25 PM
This is the list. Sent out today by a paid employee.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 06, 2015, 07:02:46 PM
Looks like it can be spinned to suit. The main thing to remember is the two protagonists have dealt with it sensibly and both have accepted overstepping the mark...so best to move on now. But that mightnt suit one or two agendas, would it? But yes Paddy John it wasn't clever and showed a lack of class. But would he be a better CS, that's the real question.

Stephen O Boyle a good lad too and will have plenty of support. This one will be close. Give me the one who can stop FQ overstepping his mark, because he has his nose stuck in too many corners beyond his remit.


There always will be agendas to push, believe me I've no hidden agendas. Stephen is a gentleman and I hope he gets the nod in this one.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 06, 2015, 07:04:45 PM
It not what he says it's the venom and hatred with which he says it!

Bannside the assistant secretary for the county and similarly in divisional board remit is to be the secretary of the ccc. Has been the way for a number of years now.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 06, 2015, 07:10:24 PM
To be fair its great that we have people willing to pull out all the stops to improve this county.... Regardless of who wins through they will have to back up their proposals if they do get elected because if they don't they'll get some abuse...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 06, 2015, 08:31:38 PM
Hold the Fort Hold the Fort news Flash this will give some of you lad's more bitching time. X Ref G Duffy was nominated by a SW Club for VC
But they sent it to wrong email address, and have provided county with original email as proof. CS supposedly hasn't accepted clerical error (No fckn surprise there) and has tabled it to a vote a CB meeting on Wednesday before final Nominations closed out. I'd say he's two chances amoung the present executive bye bye Duffy ;D


Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 07, 2015, 02:44:45 AM
Vice chair is a big position. It signals ones intent of aspirations to push on for the no 1 position.

Despite what some on here think I am all in favour of the best qualified men to get elected.

If you are a secretary then be good at communication. Be very good at IT. Know how to communicate in the modern world. If you are not then take a rain check.

If you are a Treasurer be good at managing the financials. Even better if you are fully qualified to do so. If you are up for PRO please have a qualification in marketing and a CV which shows  experience in same.

Etc. Etc. Etc. No more wafflers, chancers, bluffers, bully boys, jobs for the boys, nod and a wink merchants, or self serving interest specialists.  And please no career Gaa officials hoping to get fat on mileage expenses or largesse dinners.

If you have got Antrims best interest at heart and you are really good at what you do, then please God you will get elected to turn the tide and help make start Antrim live up to its potential, rather than an apology to our great association.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: stiffler on November 07, 2015, 07:23:56 AM
How come there is only one in for the development role?

IA this not an interest to saffron vision ?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 09, 2015, 10:17:56 AM
the ego that is duffy lol some men coming out of the woodwork for this years convention, where have they all been over the years?
not criticizing them just asking why now and not before!

im sure by now everyone has heard the great news about dunsilly! work to start early decemeber, at last. dcal have helped out with funds towards new changing facilities.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 09, 2015, 10:33:51 AM
Jesus C11 we need to ask what happened the 3.5million before that instead of celebrating a cap in hand approach to DCAL. Oh yes as the wee man allegedly said it wasn't our money it was Crokes!! ;D
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 09, 2015, 12:27:41 PM
Any forward movement in relation to Dunsilly is welcome. If we hope to have competitive teams we need to have good standard facilities on which to prepare these teams. Middle of the county too so ideal.

Make it the new county base too. Offices, meeting rooms, etc. Anyone in any doubt how this could look like should take a visit to Owenbeg.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on November 09, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
Any forward movement in relation to Dunsilly is welcome. If we hope to have competitive teams we need to have good standard facilities on which to prepare these teams. Middle of the county too so ideal.

Make it the new county base too. Offices, meeting rooms, etc. Anyone in any doubt how this could look like should take a visit to Owenbeg.

If it gets to be half the facility that Owenbeg is then I will be delighted.

After all the controversy it would be great if we could now knuckle down and come up with a facility that can really help move the county forward and something that we can be collectively proud of.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 09, 2015, 02:24:25 PM
Any forward movement in relation to Dunsilly is welcome. If we hope to have competitive teams we need to have good standard facilities on which to prepare these teams. Middle of the county too so ideal.

Make it the new county base too. Offices, meeting rooms, etc. Anyone in any doubt how this could look like should take a visit to Owenbeg.

If it gets to be half the facility that Owenbeg is then I will be delighted.

After all the controversy it would be great if we could now knuckle down and come up with a facility that can really help move the county forward and something that we can be collectively proud of.

A facility like owenbeg or garvaghy would be brilliant, but it wont happen as dunsilly is just to be a training facility.

remember casement park, yeah that big old stadium, thats where offices, conference rooms, spectator facilities are to be housed. 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 09, 2015, 02:34:03 PM
What are people thoughts on club championship games being played in a newly developed casement?

I think it will be far too big and therefore not suitable for club and county matches (as far as Antrim is concerned)

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on November 09, 2015, 02:35:51 PM
What are people thoughts on club championship games being played in a newly developed casement?

I think it will be far too big and therefore not suitable for club and county matches (as far as Antrim is concerned)

'if you build it they will come' - isnt that the thought process behind it at least for the county games?

I would agree skull but then again from a players point of view, I would imagine they will all want to play in it as opposed to some other club ground.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 09, 2015, 03:34:12 PM
Can anyone offer proper assurances that we will be able to actually play club games at a new Casement, not to mention Antrims home games.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: CentreHalfBack on November 09, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
Duffy lol ;D

They are all at it now. Vote early and vote often!

A chairde

Is mise Seán Pléimeann agus tá mé ag iarraidh toghchán mar Leas-chathaoirleach.
I consider my nomination for the role of Vice-Chairman to be an honour and one that I do not accept lightly. I believe that my experience in serving both my club and County has equipped me well to carry out the duties of this post which I see as crucially important for the development of our County.
I have served my club as Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer, all roles I considered to be a great honour. This experience means that I am very well aware of the needs, challenges and issues which clubs face. It will ensure that in carrying out the duties of Vice- Chairman I will be sensitive to the needs of clubs.
In addition to my roles within our club I have also served the County as both a player and an administrator. As a player I had the honour to wear the saffron jersey and later manage and coach county football teams from under 21 down to under 14.
As a county administrator I have served as Coaching and Games Development Officer, Cultural Officer, Children's Officer, South Antrim Chairman, member of CCC and most recently as PRO.
The role of vice-Chairman carries the responsibility of chairing CCC. Having served on CCC for several years I know the enormity of the job and it is one that I am willing to undertake. Fixtures are the number one priority in any club set up and it is imperative that we continue to work to make improvements. If elected to this role I will seek to bring about a number of changes which I feel will benefit clubs and players and so improve our games. I will propose that a club will not be required to play any adult fixture in the week of their club championship game in either code. I also have proposals for minor leagues that would require them to start earlier in the season.
In addition to fixtures CCC has responsibilities for many other areas. I believe that my record shows that I will treat each situation with a degree of integrity and judge every situation on its merits with honesty and fairness as my guiding principles.
In addition to the role within CCC the vice-Chairman will be involved in every area in the administration of the County. Areas that need our immediate attention are, the continued development of Dunsilly, the implementation of the strategic plan to continue the improvements of Development Squads and putting the structures in place to enable Antrim to improve their standing at national level in both football and hurling. While I am aware of the constraints of finance this cannot be used as an excuse not to take action.
The development of Casement Park is a major issue facing our County. Antrim must begin to take a leading role in thedevelopment of our park. As vice-Chairman I will ensure that Antrim are included in all decisions in relation to the development of our stadium.
Whatever the issue I can assure you that I will always be forthright in giving my honest opinion. I will always act to do what I consider to be the best for the county and at all times make sure that clubs are kept informed.
I believe that my experience as a club officer and as a County administrator equip me for this very important role. I fully understand that any position on Coiste Bainistí requires a great deal of commitment and dedication and I stand ready to give this. Honesty, integrity, innovation, openness and hard work will be the key words that I will strive to put into practice within CoisteBainistí.
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I welcome elections to work for our county. I know that clubs will make their decisions for the betterment of Antrim and on the merits of each individual candidate. It is to ensure that clubs have all the information they need to make their decisions that I have circulated this paper.
Start with what's necessary, then do what is possible and before you know it you are doing the impossible.
Go raibh maith agaibh.
Seán Pléimeann
Cumann Uí Dhonnabháin Rosa
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: MoChara on November 09, 2015, 06:22:29 PM
the ego that is duffy lol some men coming out of the woodwork for this years convention, where have they all been over the years?
not criticizing them just asking why now and not before!

im sure by now everyone has heard the great news about dunsilly! work to start early decemeber, at last. dcal have helped out with funds towards new changing facilities.

Would make another man cynical in the run up to Cb elections
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 09, 2015, 06:46:22 PM
You do have to admit that Sean Fleming has a very full CV for this position. Whilst I am proud to embrace the Saffron Vision initiative and hope that most of their candidates are successful, I won't be in the least bit disappointed if SF is elected. He has put some years into both his club and his county.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: CentreHalfBack on November 09, 2015, 06:51:17 PM
I agree.

I will propose that a club will not be required to play any adult fixture in the week of their club championship game in either code.
This will appeal to many dual clubs.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: CentreHalfBack on November 09, 2015, 06:52:22 PM
Does anyone know when our county secretary term is up?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 09, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
Does anyone know when our county secretary term is up?

Its a fulltime job so, 65?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Hand up on November 09, 2015, 07:45:52 PM
I'd look at SF's  cv another way, what useful contribution has he made in any of these roles??, I can't believe the backtracking here lads, so according to a few Wee Joe deserves his Chance, Now SF, Murray coming back as Dev officer, with all these great lads, why are we in this mess?? It isn't all the rats fault although he'd a hand in a lot of it. Clear the decks and start afresh!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: SaffronHeart on November 09, 2015, 08:18:57 PM
Smacks of musical Chairs. Murray hasn't done much to develop Antrim in his chairmanship, just look at the state of the county teams and I cant see him being a success in the development role. What experience has he say of nurturing development at club level? I cant remember him helping out with any of the recent successful underage Johnnies teams? or any worthwhile endeavours into the Macs beforehand. That was his previous club?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 09, 2015, 08:42:08 PM
I can't see many clubs voting for anything en masse - ie all in or all out - more like each position will be discussed on an individual basis.

Personally I would love to see each nominee given the opportunity to write their own blurb about their experiences and their aspirations.

A typical club committee member mightnt know very many of those standing. A bit of education about their background etc could be helpful. What harm can a bit of education do.

Question is where do you draw the line in this canvassing lark, especially now in the digital age where everything is at the touch of a button.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 09, 2015, 08:47:16 PM
Don't think the development role you talk of Saffron heart is anything at all to do with games development. That's the remit of county games and development officer.

Development remit is about capital projects such as ground development, assets and funding. Maybe someone else can confirm this or otherwise.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: johnneycool on November 09, 2015, 09:10:52 PM
Does anyone know when our county secretary term is up?

Its a fulltime job so, 65?

And beyond if he wishes
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Last Man on November 09, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
You do have to admit that Sean Fleming has a very full CV for this position. Whilst I am proud to embrace the Saffron Vision initiative and hope that most of their candidates are successful, I won't be in the least bit disappointed if SF is elected. He has put some years into both his club and his county.
I would struggle with his emphasis on integrity given some of the sneaky moves he has pulled in matters to do with our club, but sure its only St.Endas so what the hell odds. He's not adverse to a chip on the shoulder even if its only with us so that rules him out for me in such an influential position.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 09, 2015, 10:48:26 PM
That's democracy Last Man. I'm sure every man standing will have both supporters and detractors.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 09, 2015, 11:03:48 PM
ah now u r coming. Round to my way of thinking Bannside!
It will be a mash up as they say. Each candidate on both sides have their pros and cons

Imo

Cathaoirleach (Chairperson).  -  a toss of a coin between them, it could go either way in seriousness
Joe Edwards.   
Colin Donnelly
Leas-Cathaoirleach (Vice Chairperson)
Sean Fleming
Leas-Rúnaí (Asst Secretary)
Stephen O Boyle
Cisteoir (Treasurer) - I think paul McCann is edge this one just
Paul Mc Cann
Leas-Cisteoir (Ast Treasurer)
Gerald Mc Garry
Oifigeach Caidrim Poibli  (PRO) - again tight and can't call it.
Sean Kelly
Brendan Mulgrew
Oifigeach Oiliuna  (Coaching) - no saffron vision candidate?!
Columb Walsh
Oifigeach Forbartha  (Development) - if only Philip Christie had ran for this position!!
Frank Smyth
Jim Murray
Jim Mc Grath
Oifigeach Teanga & Cultur (Language &  Culture)
Bronagh Lennon
Teachta Ard Comhairle (Central Council)
Danny Mc Lernon
Teachta Comhairle Uladh (2) (Ulster Council)
Alex Mc Quillan
Jim McLean

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Sportacus on November 09, 2015, 11:11:12 PM
"Every man and woman standing..."
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bogieman on November 10, 2015, 01:24:37 AM
Regarding SF promo, is handball not an integral part of Antrim GAA ?
I understand not one court is planned for Dunsilly nor casement.


If the canvassing material is not available for each candidate, can you guys not knock together a short sentence for each candidate, i.e. a main pro and main con (singular)... Honest with the pro, sensitive with the con.

We can the summarise and send a copy to each club secretary...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 10, 2015, 10:21:37 AM
Good luck with that Bogeyman. You would need a very knowledgeable person with lots of time who would be totally impartial if it was to be done fairly. Not many here (or anywhere else) with those credentials.

I suggest that every nominee is given 400 words (for example) to write their own blurb, within a week of acceptance, and this could be circulated with photos, in one large document to all clubs.

Now that's a level playing field at least.

Problem is most typical club delegates wouldn't know half the nominees if they walked past them on the street. So yes, some agreed form of education would be good.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 10, 2015, 10:30:17 AM
Culchie, coming round to your thinking at last??? I made the point of "mix and match" on page one of this thread!

The way I see it is several of the SV nominations are ESSENTIAL if we are to make the type of progress we desire.  Some of the other positions are DESIRABLE.

No one is expecting a clean sweep. If the essential candidates are elected everything else is a bonus. That's my own view anyway.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Last Man on November 10, 2015, 10:46:57 AM
That's democracy Last Man. I'm sure every man standing will have both supporters and detractors.

Fair enough, I just wish candidates wouldnt portray themselves as having particular core values when in certain situations the veil can and does drop. Anyway, let delegates vote with a clear concience and thats the best we can hope for.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 10, 2015, 11:23:03 AM
A mix and match after i said it on the hurling or football thread before we jumped to a new thread.

but sure u have seen sense so never worry, not here to trip people up or anything.

i agree with your theory of having same budget for football and hurling by the way!

which positions do u c as essential then bannside, treasurer is one!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 10, 2015, 11:30:48 AM
If you want to "clear the decks" you'd hardly want Gerald McGarry or Tyrone Eastwood as Assistant Treasurer?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 10, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
To be fair Cnma those men have made themselves available to perform that role when others refused to do so. But we are entering an era with large capital projects so qualified and experienced personell are now needed. Pol Mc Canna has that high level experience. This is an essential position alright Culchie.

Chairman position too is absolitely essential. We need someone who will transmit a vibrant and fresh new image and who will attract new and capable people to work at county level. We don't need a hard man dictator type. Someone who will deliver, not dictate.

For me the other huge position is ass secretary. We need a person who is strong enough to extract the best from our paid official, but at yhe same time ensure that he dosent overstep the mark. This is a big challenge.

Obviously whoever will run CCC is huge too, and we need coaching and games properly supported. We will need good PR. We will need strong representation in Ulster. All roles important.....but if we get these first three positions sorted out with the best applicants then the rest will follow in due course. Rome wasnt built in a day.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 10, 2015, 12:05:41 PM
If I was in anyway associated with the fundraising side of Antrim, for my own integrity I'd be demanding checks and balances in terms of how money was handled. How easy should it be to sell a ticket at the gate with a number, total up the tickets sold with the money collected... hey presto? The fact that has never took place has always troubled me. 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 10, 2015, 12:08:26 PM
Sorry lads as I'm dropping into this discussion.

Never realised that 2 full pitches had been fenced off and fully sown. What was the delay in completing this? Floodlights/changing rooms etc. Lack of funding?

Although it makes sense location wise would there be a risk of vandalism by the 'fleg brigade' due to its location?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 10, 2015, 12:11:27 PM
CMNA, Tyrone can be a gate man or sell lollipops at the sweetie van on match day or whatever. A good lad whose heart is very much in the right place. And Gérard too has punched in a lot of hours, often doing thankless jobs that no one else was queuing up to do. Their dedication should be applauded, not knocked.

My problem with them is when I see them adjudicating at interviews for senior football management etc. That's where I draw the line.

Likewise Joe Edwards has punched in some hard yards. And is well respected by many for doing so. There definitely is a role for him in our coiste bainisti - just think we are better going for a a different kind of leadership.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: johnneycool on November 10, 2015, 12:44:05 PM
If I was in anyway associated with the fundraising side of Antrim, for my own integrity I'd be demanding checks and balances in terms of how money was handled. How easy should it be to sell a ticket at the gate with a number, total up the tickets sold with the money collected... hey presto? The fact that has never took place has always troubled me.

The VAT man may need a look at those receipts!!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: blueblood on November 10, 2015, 12:49:53 PM
C11 you seem to have a major one for Duffy, he may be egotistical however I would say he's nobody's fool either, love him or hate him if they let his nomination stand it makes the VC position a fairly competitive affair, SF may have a close run race if there are 3 in the hat. You take the AV candidate for Treasurer he will bring imo a clear defined position and is a well positioned professionally  in his 9-5 job something we have never had and imo it has been by design. CD will bring a new approach as CC and with a strong club like St John's behind him and being a true blue and once again a man in his personal 9-5 role being extremely successful having to work hard for all he has got, I'd take those lads all day. The wee man for all his commitment hasn't got the presence or the intelligence to bring Antrim to the table at Ulster and Croke as a County, that has released its faults and will try to right so many wrongs over the past 5 years. JM was a puppet on string to the present CS and none of these new AV men will dance to that tune imo.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 10, 2015, 01:04:20 PM

CNMA, Tyrone can be a gate man or sell lollipops at the sweetie van on match day or whatever. A good lad whose heart is very much in the right place. And Gérard too has punched in a lot of hours, often doing thankless jobs that no one else was queuing up to do. Their dedication should be applauded, not knocked.

My problem with them is when I see them adjudicating at interviews for senior football management etc. That's where I draw the line.

Bannside, I thought you'd have known that Gerald is also a qualified accountant! And a Club Treasurer for 20+ years - Ahoghill have had a few projects in that time!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on November 10, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
If I was in anyway associated with the fundraising side of Antrim, for my own integrity I'd be demanding checks and balances in terms of how money was handled. How easy should it be to sell a ticket at the gate with a number, total up the tickets sold with the money collected... hey presto? The fact that has never took place has always troubled me.

The VAT man may need a look at those receipts!!!

I asked the question recently after the county final about this. As a club were entitled to a percentage of the gate and the money is supposed to be counted at the ground before they leave is it not?

I then found out we get sent a cheque as our percentage.

How in under god is that accountable? is this never questioned?

With regards to the pitches at Dunsilly, i pass them every day on the train to work in belfast and they have been in the same shape since i started this route of travel a year ago. Since it was announced that a successfully tender had been approved for a contractor not once single thing has changed at Dunsilly other than the length of the grass on the 2 pitches!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: The Memory Man on November 10, 2015, 04:59:52 PM
I have it from a very reliable source that should PMcC get in as treasurer, there will be a ticket issued for ALL transactions at ALL gates that the County will be hosting.  He will not jeopardise his professional standing, that fact alone should be enough for EVERY clubs' delegates to vote for him and everyone associated with Saffron Vision.  :)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on November 11, 2015, 09:02:03 AM
its done in Derry at the club championship games all the time for the football, not sure of the hurling tbh, but its the way things should be done.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Last Man on November 11, 2015, 09:37:15 AM
its done in Derry at the club championship games all the time for the football, not sure of the hurling tbh, but its the way things should be done.
Easy to control when you havethe infrastructure in place like Owenbeg.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 11, 2015, 10:13:42 AM
Cmna read my post again. I have said GMG has put in a lot of hours amd needs applauded for that. Nothing derogatory at all to say about the man so not sure where you picked that up. And I know he works in accountancy and puts a lot into his club as well. A very good Gaa man.  I'd guess he too would want to see a few new faces especially with good business backgrounds coming forward at county level.

Not sure what TE's qualification us though to be in and around so many different jobs in the county. Maybe he is just glad to get out of the house lol. And sitting on interviewing committees for football management jobs. Jesus wept did he ever play, coach or manage anyone! That's the type of shit that needs nailed.



Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 11, 2015, 04:11:28 PM
A few emails sent out today again!

one form mclarnon who is assistant treasurer running for treasurer, it details a very good cv and shows how experienced he is to do the job.

another one from south antrim chair to ask questions of saffron vision, he makes alot of very valid points in questioning their press release and its content and the fact some of them have been there before and didnt do much then.

he also attached the notorious voicemail lol anyone that hasnt heard it ask ur club secretary to forward the email!

we will need a live debate stephen nolan style shortly in days before convention!

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: SaffronHeart on November 11, 2015, 04:38:02 PM
Culchie11 which member of the current executive are you?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Kickham csc on November 11, 2015, 05:04:11 PM
A few emails sent out today again!

one form mclarnon who is assistant treasurer running for treasurer, it details a very good cv and shows how experienced he is to do the job.

another one from south antrim chair to ask questions of saffron vision, he makes alot of very valid points in questioning their press release and its content and the fact some of them have been there before and didnt do much then.

he also attached the notorious voicemail lol anyone that hasnt heard it ask ur club secretary to forward the email!

we will need a live debate stephen nolan style shortly in days before convention!

Can you post the emails so we can see the CV????
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 11, 2015, 05:14:01 PM
So the South Antrim chairman is openly canvassing directly against the Saffron Vision candidates. Unless the South Antrim clubs have mandated him to do that on their behalf, then he is bang out of order by using his position to go solo.

I'm confident lots of SA clubs have the foresight to see right through this.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 11, 2015, 05:16:23 PM
He would be a lot better spending his time trying to find a way of getting a juvenile league system working in the great gaa city of Belfast.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 11, 2015, 05:22:31 PM
It's funny that the main pro for Saffron Vision is almost identical to the main con.
Pro: no involvement in Antrim County Executive.
Con: no involvement in Antrim County Executive.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 11, 2015, 06:47:23 PM
ah now bannside don't take offence he is merely making a few points! If u read his email u will c the great job that they r doing in South Antrim divisional board.

But long winded but here u go, still can't figure out how to post the voicemail he also attached!

 
 
A Chara
 
Following the issue of the “Antrim Vision” letter to clubs and press I would like to make the following points in relation to claims made in the letter.
 
 
1/ As can be seen from their letter to the clubs and press they intend to take over the running of all leagues and championships from under 12 to senior leaving the divisional boards with tournaments only. Their paragraph attached
 
We will seek to manage our fixtures in a way which schedules club games throughout the county, covering all age groups and across both codes. We believe this can be done in a way which accommodates and supports our county teams, including minor and U21 hurling and football teams. 
 
This effectively means the abolishment of all the divisional boards. South Antrim CCC this year successfully completed 34 competitions with 805 games taking place in both codes from juvenile to senior. Indeed a large number of clubs congratulated our board on the fixtures that were provided.
 
The South Antrim committee are of the opinion that the structures are not in place to take such drastic action and force clubs into taking part in all county leagues. How will “Antrim vision” grade the league structures and secondly how do they propose to cover the logistics and cost to clubs? Some clubs with 2 teams at some levels and in the case of most South Antrim clubs dual teams at all levels. Antrim vision said they want to promote our games, but without forward planning it will do little more than driving some clubs into the ground in particularly dual clubs. 
 
Following my initial email to the other divisional chairmen seeking their views on this matter I received a voice mail from a member of the “Antrim Vision” which I have attached.
 
Is this the calibre of personal we want or need to look after the affairs of Antrim you judge.
 
 
2/ The letter speaks about what “Antrim Vision” intend for coaching and games development yet they are not contesting this vital post within Coisti Banisti.
 
 
3/ “Antrim vision” appear to be unaware or uninterested in current coaching and games initiatives as witnessed by their total lack of involvement in recent meetings that are putting together a strategy for Development squads which is being led by Ciara ferry and Columb Walsh
 
4/ The “Antrim Vision” posturing on fixtures is even worse. Firstly they fail to explain how they would administer their fantasy claims with reference to county fixtures as members of the grouping have stated that they have no interest in chairing or serving as secretary to CCC. How they could effect change from outside given the plenary powers of CCC ref fixtures would make it unworkable.
 
5/ Also totally ignored by “Antrim Vision” is the fact that the decision as to which competitions would be administered by All County CCC and which would be run by divisional boards was made at county convention and could only be changed by2/3 majority at convention.
 
6/ “Antrim vision” has campaigned disregarding all of the protocols of election to office within the GAA. They have in asking to address clubs and divisional boards sought to usurp the democratic process by seeking such an advantage over the individuals who allow their names to go forward for nomination for individual office, is this an insult to the integrity of our clubs? Since when was the use of the Irish news and other media outlets part of our democratic process?
 
 
7/ “Antrim vision” mention in their letter about re-examining our strategy for Dunsilly and Casement Park. But what Antrim Vision fail to mention in their letter is that a number of their grouping where involed in a fund raising committee set-up to raise much needed funds for these projects and in fact one of them chaired the committee for two years.
In this period we are yet to hear what money they have raised and what plans they have for the future.
 
8/ “Antrim vision” state in their letter that
We will respect all Antrim Gaels.
Every Antrim Gael will be afforded respect and will have the opportunity to make their voice and opinion heard in a transparent and inclusive way.
Dignity and respect among fellow Gaels will be a priority for us.
What they fail to inform you in their letter is that at an Senior football league game this season a member of  “Antrim Vision” called fellow Gaels from another club SCUM
 
Is this the dignity and respect they talk about if so they can keep it for themselves I for one want no part of it.
 
9/ In an article in the Hogan Stand a member of this grouping “Antrim Vision” stated that “Antrim Vision” is only interested in putting the county on the right track both on and off the field.
 
Was this member not also a member of County Executive for 4 years until 2014
 
What suggestions did he bring during his time to “put the county right”?
 
 
Indeed if he thought we needed a major change why did he show so little interest in our county by only attending a very small number of executive and county meetings during his time.
 
10/ How can “Antrim vision” claim in their letter to be all dedicated Gaels when one of the grouping only renewed his GAA membership after a number of years.
 
 
There you have it  “Antrim Vision” Where was the vision in the letter to you the clubs?
 
Is Mise
Sean o Baoill
An Cathaoirleach
Coiste Aontroim Theas 
 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 11, 2015, 07:34:43 PM
Thanks for the copy Culchie.

I am all for getting important info out into the public domain. When accurate and objective it can provide necessary checks and balances. Plus on principle I believe everyone deserves the right of reply.

But this goes much further. It actually attempts to completely wipe out the outstanding credentials of some very capable SV candidates by exposing the actions of one individual.

He then moves on to attempt to diminish the credibility of one SV candidate because he hadnt paid his club membership for several years. Yet this individual might have personally contributed thousands of pounds of his own money to GAA projects. I know for a fact that the man in question made a massive five figure donation to Club Aontroma in the early days. But hey, maybe hes not really a gael! I could go on.

This communication smacks of a juvenile personal vendetta. Someone may have called some gaels "scum" but firstly that is here say and secondly I have seen and heard many scummy things in or at a football match. So it depends on what context the comment was made, if made.

For example I recall playing a team in the Falls Park and a city club manager shouting to his player "for the last time I told you to break that wee fcuker legs". True, but hearsay I hear you say!! Scummy or what??

Look a couple of guys have had a fall out. This is the response by one of the parties. I think it's childish in the extreme. Is it a solo act, or who has sponsored it. Who has mandated it.

Saffron Vision (as a group) have no intention of getting into a slanging match, or of getting personal. But this action now provides a perfect platform for them to defend themselves. If so, you will find that their response will be totally subjective, and will in no way resort to this low class level of response.

In time this solo run or otherwise may turn out to be a massive OG by the South Antrim chairman.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 11, 2015, 07:49:44 PM
Aye no need for tit for tat stuff, as u say ur push is my pull.

I'm not sure where this has come from either as South Antrim chair is not running for a position on the county exec. He maybe wanted to air his views in it. He may get another phone call after this.

His correspondence was sent to all clubs in antrim. I do expect saffron vision to reply in one way or another. They will have to up the ante as the other contenders are proving a match for them with their cv's/letters to clubs.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 11, 2015, 08:16:13 PM
Please God he dosent get another phone call....lol.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on November 11, 2015, 10:09:46 PM
I opted out of this thread some time ago, and I'll just re-iterate for now that, notwithstanding the letter issued today in the name of the South Antrim An Cathaoirleach we have no intention of getting into a public, negative tit for tat with fellow Gaels. We'll keep talking to the clubs and will be happy to answer any queries and take on board any observations in clubrooms across our county. 

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: delgany on November 11, 2015, 10:17:13 PM
I would  think that the SV hopes have been grounded after the outburst  of TR at county committee  meeting,
The demographic at county mtgs  is very conservative
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 11, 2015, 10:39:22 PM
I would  think that the SV hopes have been grounded after the outburst  of TR at county committee  meeting,
The demographic at county mtgs  is very conservative

What did he say? Maybe the SV ticket would be better off without TR.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: JimStynes on November 11, 2015, 10:41:38 PM
This is a pantomime. Couldn't be too many other counties like this.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 11, 2015, 11:02:53 PM
I opted out of this thread some time ago, and I'll just re-iterate for now that, notwithstanding the letter issued today in the name of the South Antrim An Cathaoirleach we have no intention of getting into a public, negative tit for tat with fellow Gaels. We'll keep talking to the clubs and will be happy to answer any queries and take on board any observations in clubrooms across our county.

Quote
We will seek to manage our fixtures in a way which schedules club games throughout the county, covering all age groups and across both codes. We believe this can be done in a way which accommodates and supports our county teams, including minor and U21 hurling and football teams. 

This point needs to be properly fleshed out before anyone has an idea of what it means. Above being unrealistically (IMO) utopian in terms of its aims, reading between the lines it can be interpreted in different ways, so I'm not sure if everyone gets a positive response reading that 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 12, 2015, 09:28:00 AM
"We will seek to manage our fixtures in a way which schedules club games throughout the county, covering all age groups and across both codes. We believe this can be done in a way which accommodates and supports our county teams, including minor and U21 hurling and football teams"

I think it's convenient for current incumbents to imply that the above abolishment of Divisional Boards; SV statement simply implies an overseeing position, regarding timetable/scheduling - IMO!


Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 12, 2015, 09:30:00 AM
Quote Culchie11 "I'm not sure where this has come from either as South Antrim chair is not running for a position on the county exec. He maybe wanted to air his views in it. He may get another phone call after this"

His pals are running for Chair/Treasurer????
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 12, 2015, 09:54:36 AM
Thought as much Cmna. In other words he is the PRO wing for his chums Joe Edwards and Billy Mc Larnon.

You know I actually don't have a problem with that once you cut to the chase and understand his motives.

Most of his stuff is badly flawed though IMO. His attempt to imply all county leagues is a top priority for SV is a nonsense. What they mean (I imagine because I'm not their spokesman) is that they will restructure fixtures and competitions to support county teams. That's a broad stroke and needs both definition and majority support. But it's well intended.

A cheap shot to portray this paragraph as the toll for doom and gloom for all the Belfast clubs. Truth be told most SW and NA clubs will be against anything to do with relying on Belfast teams to travel out midweek to fulfil underage league fixtures.

Cheap shot re a member who hadnt got around to paying his club dues. Especially as the businessman has a long history of supporting club and gaa initiatives.

Cheap shot re associating one man's comments with an entire proposal to reshape Antrim affairs.

Cheap shot to suggest SV have no interest in juvenile development. The SV nominee I spoke to mentioned it as a clear priority, and went on to discuss how this can be financed. But best to get elected first without attempting to fix so many ills from the outside!

All in all the more I digest the content of Sean Boyle email to clubs the more I think it smacks of desperation.

I believe it will be seen as such by the majority of progressive forward thinking individuals within the clubs.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on November 12, 2015, 10:09:50 AM
Thought as much Cmna. In other words he is the PRO wing for his chums Joe Edwards and Billy Mc Larnon.

You know I actually don't have a problem with that once you cut to the chase and understand his motives.

Most of his stuff is badly flawed though IMO. His attempt to imply all county leagues is a top priority for SV is a nonsense. What they mean (I imagine because I'm not their spokesman) is that they will restructure fixtures and competitions to support county teams. That's a broad stroke and needs both definition and majority support. But it's well intended.

A cheap shot to portray this paragraph as the toll for doom and gloom for all the Belfast clubs. Truth be told most SW and NA clubs will be against anything to do with relying on Belfast teams to travel out midweek to fulfil underage league fixtures.

Cheap shot re a member who hadn't paid his club dues. Especially as the businessman has a long history of supporting club and gaa initiatives.

Cheap shot re associating one man's comments with an entire proposal to reshape Antrim affairs.

Cheap shot to suggest SV have no interest in juvenile development. The SV nominee I spoke to mentioned it as a clear priority, and went on to discuss how this can be financed. But best to get elected first without attempting to fix so many ills from the outside!

All in all the more I digest the content of Sean Boyle email to clubs the more I think it smacks of desperation.

I believe it will be seen as such by the majority of progressive forward thinking individuals within the clubs.

I think the horse has bolted on this one already, the old guard may try to fight the fading of the light but their time is up IMO.

I am not going to diminish the work any volunteer has put toward our county in any of the roles, but I think with SV this gives the clubs a real chance to hold the future administration to account for their actions. SV have put a clear vision of how they want things to be done now and in the future and what shape that will take, so next year the year after and the year after that they can be held to account for these statements and progress against them.

This way we should develop moving forward in a more democratic open and transparent way.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 12, 2015, 10:58:09 AM
Cmna read my post again. I have said GMG has put in a lot of hours amd needs applauded for that. Nothing derogatory at all to say about the man so not sure where you picked that up. And I know he works in accountancy and puts a lot into his club as well. A very good Gaa man.  I'd guess he too would want to see a few new faces especially with good business backgrounds coming forward at county level.

Not sure what TE's qualification us though to be in and around so many different jobs in the county. Maybe he is just glad to get out of the house lol. And sitting on interviewing committees for football management jobs. Jesus wept did he ever play, coach or manage anyone! That's the type of shit that needs nailed.

It's not as if GMG is running against PMC anyway! Just the way you said "works in accountancy", rather than is a qualified accountant - just because he doesn't have his own practice/ isn't a "businessman"! I believe he has been approached to run on SV ticket.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 12, 2015, 11:05:31 AM
Didn't know he was on SV ticket Cmna but as a professional in that field it is highly likely that his services will be in demand no matter what shape the new administration takes.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gizzy15 on November 12, 2015, 11:37:37 AM
ah now bannside don't take offence he is merely making a few points! If u read his email u will c the great job that they r doing in South Antrim divisional board.

But long winded but here u go, still can't figure out how to post the voicemail he also attached!

 
 
A Chara
 
Following the issue of the “Antrim Vision” letter to clubs and press I would like to make the following points in relation to claims made in the letter.
 
 
1/ As can be seen from their letter to the clubs and press they intend to take over the running of all leagues and championships from under 12 to senior leaving the divisional boards with tournaments only. Their paragraph attached
 
We will seek to manage our fixtures in a way which schedules club games throughout the county, covering all age groups and across both codes. We believe this can be done in a way which accommodates and supports our county teams, including minor and U21 hurling and football teams. 
 
This effectively means the abolishment of all the divisional boards. South Antrim CCC this year successfully completed 34 competitions with 805 games taking place in both codes from juvenile to senior. Indeed a large number of clubs congratulated our board on the fixtures that were provided.
 
The South Antrim committee are of the opinion that the structures are not in place to take such drastic action and force clubs into taking part in all county leagues. How will “Antrim vision” grade the league structures and secondly how do they propose to cover the logistics and cost to clubs? Some clubs with 2 teams at some levels and in the case of most South Antrim clubs dual teams at all levels. Antrim vision said they want to promote our games, but without forward planning it will do little more than driving some clubs into the ground in particularly dual clubs. 
 
Following my initial email to the other divisional chairmen seeking their views on this matter I received a voice mail from a member of the “Antrim Vision” which I have attached.
 
Is this the calibre of personal we want or need to look after the affairs of Antrim you judge.
 
 
2/ The letter speaks about what “Antrim Vision” intend for coaching and games development yet they are not contesting this vital post within Coisti Banisti.
 
 
3/ “Antrim vision” appear to be unaware or uninterested in current coaching and games initiatives as witnessed by their total lack of involvement in recent meetings that are putting together a strategy for Development squads which is being led by Ciara ferry and Columb Walsh
 
4/ The “Antrim Vision” posturing on fixtures is even worse. Firstly they fail to explain how they would administer their fantasy claims with reference to county fixtures as members of the grouping have stated that they have no interest in chairing or serving as secretary to CCC. How they could effect change from outside given the plenary powers of CCC ref fixtures would make it unworkable.
 
5/ Also totally ignored by “Antrim Vision” is the fact that the decision as to which competitions would be administered by All County CCC and which would be run by divisional boards was made at county convention and could only be changed by2/3 majority at convention.
 
6/ “Antrim vision” has campaigned disregarding all of the protocols of election to office within the GAA. They have in asking to address clubs and divisional boards sought to usurp the democratic process by seeking such an advantage over the individuals who allow their names to go forward for nomination for individual office, is this an insult to the integrity of our clubs? Since when was the use of the Irish news and other media outlets part of our democratic process?
 
 
7/ “Antrim vision” mention in their letter about re-examining our strategy for Dunsilly and Casement Park. But what Antrim Vision fail to mention in their letter is that a number of their grouping where involed in a fund raising committee set-up to raise much needed funds for these projects and in fact one of them chaired the committee for two years.
In this period we are yet to hear what money they have raised and what plans they have for the future.
 
8/ “Antrim vision” state in their letter that
We will respect all Antrim Gaels.
Every Antrim Gael will be afforded respect and will have the opportunity to make their voice and opinion heard in a transparent and inclusive way.
Dignity and respect among fellow Gaels will be a priority for us.
What they fail to inform you in their letter is that at an Senior football league game this season a member of  “Antrim Vision” called fellow Gaels from another club SCUM
 
Is this the dignity and respect they talk about if so they can keep it for themselves I for one want no part of it.
 
9/ In an article in the Hogan Stand a member of this grouping “Antrim Vision” stated that “Antrim Vision” is only interested in putting the county on the right track both on and off the field.
 
Was this member not also a member of County Executive for 4 years until 2014
 
What suggestions did he bring during his time to “put the county right”?
 
 
Indeed if he thought we needed a major change why did he show so little interest in our county by only attending a very small number of executive and county meetings during his time.
 
10/ How can “Antrim vision” claim in their letter to be all dedicated Gaels when one of the grouping only renewed his GAA membership after a number of years.
 
 
There you have it  “Antrim Vision” Where was the vision in the letter to you the clubs?
 
Is Mise
Sean o Baoill
An Cathaoirleach
Coiste Aontroim Theas


This shite is the reason they all have to go. Negative promotion, childish tit for tat and bilnd following to ensure a promised seat 4/8/10 years down the line is met in the longest game of musical chairs since time fckinig began. why not 'HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER'... ffs its like English tabloid press dragging people down in order to lift yourself up, This is not a British Parliamentary race but yet it has all the stomach sickening backstabbing and manefesto smashing to say it is. show me you vision, not how you can smash his, show me your CV not pour scorne on his. Is this not the GAA, voluntary family organisation. were fcuked  if were becoming this disjointed
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 12, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
ah now bannside don't take offence he is merely making a few points! If u read his email u will c the great job that they r doing in South Antrim divisional board.

But long winded but here u go, still can't figure out how to post the voicemail he also attached!

 
 
A Chara
 
Following the issue of the “Antrim Vision” letter to clubs and press I would like to make the following points in relation to claims made in the letter.
 
 
1/ As can be seen from their letter to the clubs and press they intend to take over the running of all leagues and championships from under 12 to senior leaving the divisional boards with tournaments only. Their paragraph attached
 
We will seek to manage our fixtures in a way which schedules club games throughout the county, covering all age groups and across both codes. We believe this can be done in a way which accommodates and supports our county teams, including minor and U21 hurling and football teams. 
 
This effectively means the abolishment of all the divisional boards. South Antrim CCC this year successfully completed 34 competitions with 805 games taking place in both codes from juvenile to senior. Indeed a large number of clubs congratulated our board on the fixtures that were provided.
 
The South Antrim committee are of the opinion that the structures are not in place to take such drastic action and force clubs into taking part in all county leagues. How will “Antrim vision” grade the league structures and secondly how do they propose to cover the logistics and cost to clubs? Some clubs with 2 teams at some levels and in the case of most South Antrim clubs dual teams at all levels. Antrim vision said they want to promote our games, but without forward planning it will do little more than driving some clubs into the ground in particularly dual clubs. 
 
Following my initial email to the other divisional chairmen seeking their views on this matter I received a voice mail from a member of the “Antrim Vision” which I have attached.
 
Is this the calibre of personal we want or need to look after the affairs of Antrim you judge.
 
 
2/ The letter speaks about what “Antrim Vision” intend for coaching and games development yet they are not contesting this vital post within Coisti Banisti.
 
 
3/ “Antrim vision” appear to be unaware or uninterested in current coaching and games initiatives as witnessed by their total lack of involvement in recent meetings that are putting together a strategy for Development squads which is being led by Ciara ferry and Columb Walsh
 
4/ The “Antrim Vision” posturing on fixtures is even worse. Firstly they fail to explain how they would administer their fantasy claims with reference to county fixtures as members of the grouping have stated that they have no interest in chairing or serving as secretary to CCC. How they could effect change from outside given the plenary powers of CCC ref fixtures would make it unworkable.
 
5/ Also totally ignored by “Antrim Vision” is the fact that the decision as to which competitions would be administered by All County CCC and which would be run by divisional boards was made at county convention and could only be changed by2/3 majority at convention.
 
6/ “Antrim vision” has campaigned disregarding all of the protocols of election to office within the GAA. They have in asking to address clubs and divisional boards sought to usurp the democratic process by seeking such an advantage over the individuals who allow their names to go forward for nomination for individual office, is this an insult to the integrity of our clubs? Since when was the use of the Irish news and other media outlets part of our democratic process?
 
 
7/ “Antrim vision” mention in their letter about re-examining our strategy for Dunsilly and Casement Park. But what Antrim Vision fail to mention in their letter is that a number of their grouping where involed in a fund raising committee set-up to raise much needed funds for these projects and in fact one of them chaired the committee for two years.
In this period we are yet to hear what money they have raised and what plans they have for the future.
 
8/ “Antrim vision” state in their letter that
We will respect all Antrim Gaels.
Every Antrim Gael will be afforded respect and will have the opportunity to make their voice and opinion heard in a transparent and inclusive way.
Dignity and respect among fellow Gaels will be a priority for us.
What they fail to inform you in their letter is that at an Senior football league game this season a member of  “Antrim Vision” called fellow Gaels from another club SCUM
 
Is this the dignity and respect they talk about if so they can keep it for themselves I for one want no part of it.
 
9/ In an article in the Hogan Stand a member of this grouping “Antrim Vision” stated that “Antrim Vision” is only interested in putting the county on the right track both on and off the field.
 
Was this member not also a member of County Executive for 4 years until 2014
 
What suggestions did he bring during his time to “put the county right”?
 
 
Indeed if he thought we needed a major change why did he show so little interest in our county by only attending a very small number of executive and county meetings during his time.
 
10/ How can “Antrim vision” claim in their letter to be all dedicated Gaels when one of the grouping only renewed his GAA membership after a number of years.
 
 
There you have it  “Antrim Vision” Where was the vision in the letter to you the clubs?
 
Is Mise
Sean o Baoill
An Cathaoirleach
Coiste Aontroim Theas


This shite is the reason they all have to go. Negative promotion, childish tit for tat and bilnd following to ensure a promised seat 4/8/10 years down the line is met in the longest game of musical chairs since time fckinig began. why not 'HERE IS WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER'... ffs its like English tabloid press dragging people down in order to lift yourself up, This is not a British Parliamentary race but yet it has all the stomach sickening backstabbing and manefesto smashing to say it is. show me you vision, not how you can smash his, show me your CV not pour scorne on his. Is this not the GAA, voluntary family organisation. were fcuked  if were becoming this disjointed


Exactly, its laughable! A few lads from other counties I've gotten to know through work are reading this board and they are peeing themselves with laughter at the shambles of the county board.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 12, 2015, 12:52:42 PM
Great post Gizzy. Nothing at all constructive to add, so all some of these great custodians can do is attack the opposition. By comparison, the group that makes up SV nominees have no time for getting into the personal stuff. For them the past is the past. All that matters is getting a big mess sorted out so that Antrim Gaa can start to live up to its promise.

As far myself, nothing sickens me as much as the career Gaa official. The vast majority wouldn't have a modicum of respect in their own clubs. Why after a couple of lean tenures at county level would they not be happy to go and extend their expertise in their own clubs.

 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 12, 2015, 01:05:59 PM
bannside u r being v one sided here, if u had attended the county meeting last night u would have cringed at what happened!
mr reilly attacking our outgoing chairman & vice versa!

is this the way it is going to be?!

i certainly hope not. and our out going chairman is now guaranteed a place on county exec, as the other 2 candidates have withdrawn from the position of development. how will this work?!

i dont think it matter a jot what is said on here anyway as it will be the clubs who decide. sure we all thought pj wouldnt get the job and hey presto!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 12, 2015, 01:30:30 PM
bannside u r being v one sided here, if u had attended the county meeting last night u would have cringed at what happened!
mr reilly attacking our outgoing chairman & vice versa!

is this the way it is going to be?!

i certainly hope not. and our out going chairman is now guaranteed a place on county exec, as the other 2 candidates have withdrawn from the position of development. how will this work?!

i dont think it matter a jot what is said on here anyway as it will be the clubs who decide. sure we all thought pj wouldnt get the job and hey presto!

Mr Reilly shouting his mouth off again?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Spike on November 12, 2015, 01:56:54 PM

As far myself, nothing sickens me as much as the career Gaa official. The vast majority wouldn't have a modicum of respect in their own clubs. Why after a couple of lean tenures at county level would they not be happy to go and extend their expertise in their own clubs.
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you've hit the nail on the head bannside.  these experts on the committees have been there years and are laughed at around their own clubs.    Just look at the football seeding system last year. Top two seeds got drew out against each other in the first round. Stupidity or laziness, your call
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: JimStynes on November 12, 2015, 08:13:22 PM
County Convention tickets appearing on eBay for £1000 a ticket. Like gold dust this year.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Pub Bore on November 13, 2015, 11:04:24 AM
County Convention tickets appearing on eBay for £1000 a ticket. Like gold dust this year.

Sammy Morrison doing the music!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on November 17, 2015, 09:45:40 AM
This thread has gone very quiet??????????????
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: MoChara on November 17, 2015, 09:51:20 AM
This thread has gone very quiet??????????????

I think in typical Antrim spirit everyones acting like grown ups and are in total agreement and there's nothing left to debate, its the only reason I can see why its went quiet  lol
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Sportacus on November 17, 2015, 02:26:49 PM
Excellent CV in from Aghagallon for Cultural Officer, I suppose you'd call her an Independent Candidate - not Antrim Vision and no connection to the outgoing Board.

A Chairde,
 
My name is Bronagh Lennon and I am one of the candidates running for Antrim GAA, Irish Language & Cultural Officer on 7th December.
 
I am asking for you to support me as I believe I can deliver for County Antrim and promote our Language and Culture in a unique and innovative way.
 
Teanga / Language
-I have a degree in Irish Language and a Diploma in Irish Medium Studies from St. Mary's University College, Belfast and can communicate effectively in both English and Irish. I feel this would be a major asset to any County Board.
- experienced in dealing with groups such as Gael Linn and Glór na nGael through working and teaching in my local branch of Conradh  na Gaeilge and was successful in obtaining numerous grants for my local branch of Conradh na Gaeilge.
- led training workshops for Co.Down Cultural Committee for singers of 'Amhrán na bhFiann' at county fixtures to ensure they were using the correct Irish pronunciation.
- taught in Loch an Iúir Gaeltacht for 8 years and assisted with Gaeltacht scholarship schemes.
 
Scór
Scór is a key aspect of the cultural side of the GAA and is something for which I have a huge passion. 
- I have been a keen Scór competitor for 10 years for St Mary's Aghagallon.
- I have 4 County medals , 4 Ulster medals and this year won my first All Ireland GAA medal in the Ballad Group section of Scór Sinsir. This was a huge honour for St. Mary’s and for County Antrim.
- I have mentored groups for Scór na nÓg and have assisted in the organisation of a club Scór na nÓg final in Aghagallon. 
 
Scór Forum, Croke Park
In the Summer of 2015, I was invited to be the Antrim representative at the first ever Scór Forum in Croke Park. Aogán Ó Feargháil , GAA President, and members of the National Scór Committee outlined their vision for Scór in 2016 which included increasing participation in clubs and counties throughout Ireland.
 
This year, I have been involved in doing exactly that in my own club.  I, with other members of the Scór committee in Aghagallon, was one of the driving forces behind Scór workshops for young people in the community. These were a great success and we fostered a love of Irish culture among the young people. We had 88 competitors in our club Scór na nÓg final which was absolutely amazing.
 
If I were to be elected as Cultural Officer in Antrim, I would aim to
- build on the good work that has been done already by volunteers throughout the county.
- promote the Irish language and revitalise Scór throughout the county. As a teacher, I have the organisational skills that are needed to be a successful Cultural Officer.
- form an experienced Cultural Committee that would help promote the language and cultural aspects of the GAA in Co. Antrim, Ulster and throughout Ireland.
 
If you want a Cultural Officer that will unlock the massive talent which exists within the County, the Glens, the City, and the country clubs in music, singing, dancing, performing, and the language, then please give me your vote!

Buíochas ó chroí,
Brónagh Lennon
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 17, 2015, 03:06:34 PM
Great CV for the job and based on this information going into the public domain, (rightly so) Bronagh has a great chance. Great to see new and fresh faces emerge for the challenge ahead.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: JimStynes on November 17, 2015, 06:00:24 PM
An Armagh woman too! Good candidate for the job!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bogieman on November 18, 2015, 08:59:31 AM
Well done and good luck to Bronagh

It is great to see their credentials, inspires confidence on the way forward, is it a requirement for all nominees to have CV ?


Ps. Half Armagh...  8)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 18, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Not a requirement Bogieman. In fact it's something completely new. 
As long as the info is accurate then a bit of general information about some of the people hoping to step up and lead our county can only be a good thing.

As long as something on the CV points to the officials capacity to do the job well then this is a welcome development. Of course expect it to be completely shunned and denounced by the ultra conservative GAA who are happy enough to place a lot of round pegs in square holes, often with little ability to actually do the job properly.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 18, 2015, 01:14:43 PM
Not a requirement Bogieman. In fact it's something completely new. 
As long as the info is accurate then a bit of general information about some of the people hoping to step up and lead our county can only be a good thing.

As long as something on the CV points to the officials capacity to do the job well then this is a welcome development. Of course expect it to be completely shunned and denounced by the ultra conservative GAA who are happy enough to place a lot of round pegs in square holes, often with little ability to actually do the job properly.

sure u could proof read it first bannside & let them know if it is acceptable to urself lol if u r looking for round pegs in square holes look no further than the vision! is tony/dick for slipping away into the background once the deal has been done?!

u also forgot to say they have to be a professional in that field, ur slipping up a bit recently!!
sure u cant hold a position until u have went to uni, got a degree and work to/for/with someone involved in saffron vision lol
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 18, 2015, 04:14:20 PM
You're coming across all anti SV Culchie. I'm not their spokesman but feel energised by the fact that for once there is genuine interest in these positions,  and that, as is evidenced by this thread and others, that people do actually care for a change.

Surely the old saying keep doing the same and you will get the same results has particular relevance in this case. Time for fresh faces and new vision, new leadership and new energy.

That way we just might get a bit of respect at provincial and national level where we have zero credibility at the minute. That's where we must take the fight.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 18, 2015, 04:39:32 PM
so u think a chairman who has to look to either side of him to provide answers to questions is the way forward?!
what happens when pinky & the brain are no longer there to hold hands & the vision has to see for themselves!!
doesnt give me hope!

u talked about correct info being circulated to clubs, well the sv candidate for cultural officer should take a wee look at his!

im sure there will be more pr for sv before the big day, as long as they let the right ppl face it up!
i know v little of the chairman elect & would honestly like to hear what he has to say, not his buddies, about our county!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 18, 2015, 06:01:05 PM
Give me a chairman all day long who, if not sure will have the confidence in himself to check left and right before trying to look like a smart arsed know all. Especially that is, if there is a good calibre team sitting at the top table. As I said before, we need a chairman who knows both how to lead and when to delegate. But mist of all earn a new respect level for Antrim and further afield ehich is sadly missing at present. Plus be able to entice a couple of dozen good people to come forward and work at county level - where most wouldn't be seen dead in recent years. That's what I see as the three priorities for a new chairman, not necessarily having every answer to every problem at his fingertips, trying to look clever!

And why try to diminish the great work of Tony and Dick (and a few others) who are totally passionate about trying to get a bit more professionalism working at board level. As businessmen they clearly see that what has gone before has failed us miserably.

Colin Donnelly will have plenty to say I'm sure when this is all over!

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 18, 2015, 11:02:49 PM
The thing is the two u named won't be at the top table!
U r a good spin doctor I will give u that Bannside.
U always try to make even the biggest weakness a positive.

How have u never managed our county team as u must do a great interview!
Do u need to be a business man to do that job also lol

Is it true that if the main position is not filled by sv then the whole delegation will withdraw their names from process?!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 18, 2015, 11:37:12 PM
Lads look closely at your club, who within your club pulls the strings and makes things happen?? Is it the Sec, chairman or treasure?? Ultimately they have to have a good working relationship but generally (this is just from my own experience) there is one guy who pulls the strings, command's respect and gets things done... Good luck to all
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: podge on November 19, 2015, 07:31:35 AM
The idea of a number of people getting together and running for elections with a shared vision is one I would subscribe to, particularly when you look at the failings of the current set up.  I do however get the distinct impression that the SV guys have been thrown together at the last minute.  I am not sure a lot of them even knew each other prior to a few weeks ago and I am unconvinced that they really have a well debated and advanced vision at all.  It smacks a bit of opportunism on the part of some of them and a bit of change for change sake.

Having said that, given where we are,  I would support change and would be willing to give some of them a shout at it. But I don't think its a case of one in all in- I would look at the merits of each candidate for each position and would not blindly back SV.

And my main bug bear, if the recent outburst by TR in the voicemail is an example of how he wants to conduct himself or Antrim affairs in general, I would have him nowhere near the place.  If I was one of those on the SV ticket I would have asked him to remove himself from the nominations.  I am not even sure I have seen any sort of apology but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 19, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
There are lots of very good and capable administrators working at club level. Just look at the large capital projects and ground developments up and down the county. I sit on our club committee and marvel at the work being done by a group of club men who come from a range of professional backgrounds. As a result I am confident we will end up with one of the best set ups in the county in the next few years.

But the point is its being handled by people who know what they are doing. Surveyors, builders, people who understand the tendering process etc. Then we set up a fundraising committee and  with excellent leadership by a couple of accountants, we have well over £100k raised in a matter of weeks. That's one small club and there are many other who have done the exact same thing.

St Brigids had 1400 people at the Whitla Hall last Saturday night for a club event and raised nearly that amount too. Again it was a very thorough professional set up from start to finish.

Big question is....Why are these great gaels club men and administrators not stepping up to the plate at county level?

Answer.....Because they feel that there is nowhere near enough professionalism there. It is seen (rightly or wrongly) as a collection of individuals who are there by default, but who wouldn't be let near some of the big jobs in their own clubs.

Perception or fact, I'll let you be the judge of that.

That's the basis of Saffron Vision. It's an attempt to entice a few new faces, some but not all professionals and proven businessmen to go together to try to improve Antrim.

Is that really so bad?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 19, 2015, 08:57:34 AM
Culchie I wouldn't like to try to guess at what those two men have contributed financially to the GAA, both at club and county level, either personally, or by their business sponsorship. I wish this county had many more like them.

If SV initiative fails, or at the very least a few of the main positions are not filled by them, then I really do worry that this could be their last stand.



Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: podge on November 19, 2015, 09:48:52 AM
There are lots of very good and capable administrators working at club level. Just look at the large capital projects and ground developments up and down the county. I sit on our club committee and marvel at the work being done by a group of club men who come from a range of professional backgrounds. As a result I am confident we will end up with one of the best set ups in the county in the next few years.

But the point is its being handled by people who know what they are doing. Surveyors, builders, people who understand the tendering process etc. Then we set up a fundraising committee and  with excellent leadership by a couple of accountants, we have well over £100k raised in a matter of weeks. That's one small club and there are many other who have done the exact same thing.

St Brigids had 1400 people at the Whitla Hall last Saturday night for a club event and raised nearly that amount too. Again it was a very thorough professional set up from start to finish.

Big question is....Why are these great gaels club men and administrators not stepping up to the plate at county level?

Answer.....Because they feel that there is nowhere near enough professionalism there. It is seen (rightly or wrongly) as a collection of individuals who are there by default, but who wouldn't be let near some of the big jobs in their own clubs.

Perception or fact, I'll let you be the judge of that.

That's the basis of Saffron Vision. It's an attempt to entice a few new faces, some but not all professionals and proven businessmen to go together to try to improve Antrim.

Is that really so bad?


I agree that should be the basis of Saffron Vision and therefore why I would have supported it as a concept.  However (i) I get the distinct impression its all been cobbled together a bit last minute and (ii) the antics of some (one) of them are hardly what you would describe as professional or anything close to it.  An own goal scored if you ask me and the SV tickets should have ousted him to get some credibility
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 19, 2015, 10:27:55 AM
That point is well made Podge and won't be lost on the electorate. That vote will be close too amd if TR loses out he will know the reason why. But my understanding is that overall SV group will be happy enough with three or four positions. Though the big two are chairman and treasurer. If those two don't get in then I would be fairly certain the initiative will not be deemed successful, and other SV tickets may not want to hang around in a similar coiste bainisti to previous years.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: The Memory Man on November 19, 2015, 02:47:40 PM
Podge, I can assure you Antrim Vision have been in the planning quite a while and certainly have not been cobbled together in the last few weeks.  Some of these people tried almost two years ago to get something up and running with regards to fundraising along the lines of what Bannside is talking about, but then the Casement debacle unfolded, they decided to shelve the plans as it was felt there was no way they could ask anybody or any business to support Antrim GAA with the present incumbents in situ.  There is and never was any credibility with the present administration. 

With regards to TR's rant, knowing the man and his passion for the GAA and Antrim in particular I would put it down to frustration, nothing else, yes he was wrong and he subsequently apologised.  Let him without sin cast the first stone!  As for his refereeing skills, I always thought he was a tube, but that's another story  ;)

Saffron Vision has to be the only show in town, if all our club's delegates cant see this, then we deserve all we get and the Irish News will have a field day with Antrim GAA filling their column inches.  I cant believe for a minute any of these votes will be close.

I would also hope that if BrendanBelfast wins the PRO job, that he would get Sean Kelly on board with him, clearly a guy with a passion and a vision.  The work he has done with Belfast Hour alone would prove what a benefit he would be to any administration, and I'm sure there is a role for him on some sub-committee, for we need all the positive press we can get.

Roll on the 7th Dec and the beginning of a new era, we are at rock bottom, the only way is up.  :)

Aontroim Abú
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on November 20, 2015, 09:39:52 PM
Quote

"I would also hope that if BrendanBelfast wins the PRO job, that he would get Sean Kelly on board with him, clearly a guy with a passion and a vision.  The work he has done with Belfast Hour alone would prove what a benefit he would be to any administration, and I'm sure there is a role for him on some sub-committee, for we need all the positive press we can get."

No issue there at all and in fact I have discussed this with Sean. If he wins, he'll do a great job I have no doubt. If I make it, I'll be asking Sean to join a PR sub committee right away. He knows that.

Have to say too that our ongoing tour of clubs is a very encouraging experience. We have had a great welcome all round the county and in some way this probably amounts to the deepest and most comprehensive survey of clubs ever undertaken. Extremely worthwhile and - if we are successful - those opinions, observations, passionately made points on key issues, will inform how we set about our task. I have no doubt that notwithstanding a few ruffled feathers, this whole undertaking has been refreshing for our County and will prove to have been beneficial.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2015, 10:19:12 AM
I haven't been posting in a while and I apologise for this one being negative but I'm suspicious of candidates from clubs with very poor internal structures or candidates from clubs who need all hands on deck internally going for county board positions. That to me reeks of careerism and ego-driven agendas.

While it mightn't be the fault of their own that their clubs are struggling, surely if they have so much enthusiasm for hard work, they should pump it all into their failing clubs.

Explain failing? A club in lower divisions? Single code club, team with poor juveniles? For some clubs it is what it is, tradition, location, demographics... Having a club were these are 'poor' could be seen as an achievement against a struggle?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hurlingstick on November 22, 2015, 07:22:19 PM
Podge, I can assure you Antrim Vision have been in the planning quite a while and certainly have not been cobbled together in the last few weeks.  Some of these people tried almost two years ago to get something up and running with regards to fundraising along the lines of what Bannside is talking about, but then the Casement debacle unfolded, they decided to shelve the plans as it was felt there was no way they could ask anybody or any business to support Antrim GAA with the present incumbents in situ.  There is and never was any credibility with the present administration. 

With regards to TR's rant, knowing the man and his passion for the GAA and Antrim in particular I would put it down to frustration, nothing else, yes he was wrong and he subsequently apologised.  Let him without sin cast the first stone!  As for his refereeing skills, I always thought he was a tube, but that's another story  ;)

Saffron Vision has to be the only show in town, if all our club's delegates cant see this, then we deserve all we get and the Irish News will have a field day with Antrim GAA filling their column inches.  I cant believe for a minute any of these votes will be close.

I would also hope that if BrendanBelfast wins the PRO job, that he would get Sean Kelly on board with him, clearly a guy with a passion and a vision.  The work he has done with Belfast Hour alone would prove what a benefit he would be to any administration, and I'm sure there is a role for him on some sub-committee, for we need all the positive press we can get.

Roll on the 7th Dec and the beginning of a new era, we are at rock bottom, the only way is up.  :)




He was equally disrespectful to players time and time again as a referee. Bad PR for the vision with this candidate on-board.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 22, 2015, 10:37:58 PM
Podge, I can assure you Antrim Vision have been in the planning quite a while and certainly have not been cobbled together in the last few weeks.  Some of these people tried almost two years ago to get something up and running with regards to fundraising along the lines of what Bannside is talking about, but then the Casement debacle unfolded, they decided to shelve the plans as it was felt there was no way they could ask anybody or any business to support Antrim GAA with the present incumbents in situ.  There is and never was any credibility with the present administration. 

With regards to TR's rant, knowing the man and his passion for the GAA and Antrim in particular I would put it down to frustration, nothing else, yes he was wrong and he subsequently apologised.  Let him without sin cast the first stone!  As for his refereeing skills, I always thought he was a tube, but that's another story  ;)

Saffron Vision has to be the only show in town, if all our club's delegates cant see this, then we deserve all we get and the Irish News will have a field day with Antrim GAA filling their column inches.  I cant believe for a minute any of these votes will be close.

I would also hope that if BrendanBelfast wins the PRO job, that he would get Sean Kelly on board with him, clearly a guy with a passion and a vision.  The work he has done with Belfast Hour alone would prove what a benefit he would be to any administration, and I'm sure there is a role for him on some sub-committee, for we need all the positive press we can get.

Roll on the 7th Dec and the beginning of a new era, we are at rock bottom, the only way is up.  :)




He was equally disrespectful to players time and time again as a referee. Bad PR for the vision with this candidate on-board.

"He was equally disrespectful to players time and time again as a referee. Bad PR for the vision with this candidate on-board."

Agree, passionate GAA men are the Sean McGurks, Alec Emersons or Dessie Donnellys of this world, not somebody who time and time again has let himself down a bagful by slabbering!


Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2015, 11:33:27 PM
I defo think people need to get over themselves in regard to the 'rant', there has been a lot worse put on here by keyboard warriors than what  Terry was supposed to have said....

People are jumping on the bandwagon here... And if they've made up on this then let it be... The elections should be interesting... More so than any other year!! May the best candidates win
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: podge on November 23, 2015, 10:28:37 AM
I defo think people need to get over themselves in regard to the 'rant', there has been a lot worse put on here by keyboard warriors than what  Terry was supposed to have said....

People are jumping on the bandwagon here... And if they've made up on this then let it be... The elections should be interesting... More so than any other year!! May the best candidates win

I don't think you need the 'supposed to have said'.   The point is the keyboard warriors who may have posted a lot worse on here are not , as far as we know, putting themselves up there as the ones who are bringing forward a fresh new start and professional approach for county Antrim.  I would have a lot more time for the whole SV things if they made a point of it by accepting it wasn't an acceptable way to do business and for that reason he is withdrawing his nomination.  But no, we will just plough ahead even if we are tarnished as a result.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2015, 01:24:05 PM
I defo think people need to get over themselves in regard to the 'rant', there has been a lot worse put on here by keyboard warriors than what  Terry was supposed to have said....

People are jumping on the bandwagon here... And if they've made up on this then let it be... The elections should be interesting... More so than any other year!! May the best candidates win

I don't think you need the 'supposed to have said'.   The point is the keyboard warriors who may have posted a lot worse on here are not , as far as we know, putting themselves up there as the ones who are bringing forward a fresh new start and professional approach for county Antrim.  I would have a lot more time for the whole SV things if they made a point of it by accepting it wasn't an acceptable way to do business and for that reason he is withdrawing his nomination.  But no, we will just plough ahead even if we are tarnished as a result.

My supposed was to do with actually how bad it really was?  had he been talking to under 18's and not a man in his latter years I'd be more worried.. I haven't heard it but during my time (like yesterday I had a difference of opinion with a club man of hurling issues!!)  with discussions with club colleagues/committee men things get very heated ... that's passion.. yes I'd say some things can go over the top but generally both people want the same thing...... a decent Antrim set up!! or in my case yesterday a decent future for mine clubs senior teams..

And Podge there are people on here who are putting themselves or backing others for both camps
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 24, 2015, 12:09:52 AM
Our club had the pleasure of welcoming delegates from SV tonight to our club. Very impressive case made and talked in a language that everyone can understand. No bluster or big promises - just a sincere appeal for support to be allowed to put proper and meaningful structure together that will facilitate sustainable growth.

Based on accountability, transparency and respect. No bad mouthing of current officialdom, all very dignified.

I would know most of these men personally and I am genuinely excited about Antrims prospects if these men are given their head to deliver.

Overall, in a nutshell this initiative is singularly  the best thing to happen to Antrim Gaa in my lifetime. We are now in a position to put in place a coiste bainisti  who will start to make us proud again

Aontroma Abu..
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on November 24, 2015, 09:48:32 AM
Our club had the pleasure of welcoming delegates from SV tonight to our club. Very impressive case made and talked in a language that everyone can understand. No bluster or big promises - just a sincere appeal for support to be allowed to put proper and meaningful structure together that will facilitate sustainable growth.

Based on accountability, transparency and respect. No bad mouthing of current officialdom, all very dignified.

I would know most of these men personally and I am genuinely excited about Antrims prospects if these men are given their head to deliver.

Overall, in a nutshell this initiative is singularly  the best thing to happen to Antrim Gaa in my lifetime. We are now in a position to put in place a coiste bainisti  who will start to make us proud again

Aontroma Abu..

 ::) ;) :D
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 24, 2015, 09:50:09 AM
so bannside our footballers reaching the ulster final in 2009 or our hurlers reaching the ai final in 1989 are bypassed by this group amalgamating to clear the decks at county board level lol

u should get out more often bannside!!

so u know these men personally, that explains it, why did they not consider u to stand for a position then, seems to be if ur a friend or a friend of a friend u could get the nod!

who answered the questions last night?!
 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 24, 2015, 10:58:30 AM
89 and 09 were good teams by our standards and gave us a few great days out. But that's the point Culchie. Think about it man. It's too sporadic. Not nearly nearly enough for a county of our size. And no structures whatsoever to sustain it.

We need to be aiming a lot higher than that and I am confident this SV initiative has kick started our recovery already. Sure look at the interest there is this year. I believe it will result in multiple positions on coiste bainisti and furthermore will in due course begin to deliver those the type of sustainable structures we so badly need.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gizzy15 on November 25, 2015, 09:07:23 AM
so bannside our footballers reaching the ulster final in 2009 or our hurlers reaching the ai final in 1989 are bypassed by this group amalgamating to clear the decks at county board level lol

u should get out more often bannside!!

so u know these men personally, that explains it, why did they not consider u to stand for a position then, seems to be if ur a friend or a friend of a friend u could get the nod!

who answered the questions last night?!


Jeeez C11 think you need to get out more if a hurling final 26 years ago and a provincial final almost 7 years ago is enough for you to think the garden is Rosie and all is well. and considering the thread I don't think the Hurling final in 89 was much to do with the current CB nor the SV ticket.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 25, 2015, 10:36:56 AM
gizzy maybe if u would read the thread before commenting, i was merely remarking that bannside thought that sv was the best thing to happen for antrim gaa in his lifetime, which is obvious not true, think he has lsot the run of himself a bit lol

where did i say that those two ocassions made everything rosy!


Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 26, 2015, 08:59:00 AM
When the votes are cast on Monday week and many SV nominees are elected to Coiste Bainisti, I think we will have finally drawn a line in the sand and our county can begin to move forward.

Make no mistake it will take fresh faces to deliver, and a fresh new message that for once Antrim people have stood up and finally done something for themselves.

For years no one has cared about our county. Businesses wouldn't touch the damaged brand with a bargepole, as one horror story after another was played out in public. As a result there is little trust or respect of board officials to represent us properly.

County Committee meetings have become a place where sarcasm reigns, and where a delegate ran the risk of being castigated for asking a sensible question. If you had the audacity to continue you ran the chance of getting thrown out of the building. But now those crows are coming home to roost.

There are hundreds of really good gaels in county Antrim who are working well at club level but with zero interest in anything county. Most have a very poor opinion of our county board, or worse, couldn't give a toss one way or the other. These are the people who need to be galvanised for things to kick start, and Saffron Vision has began that process.

Yes, I firmly stand by my assertion that SV is singularly the best thing to happen to Antrim Gaa in my lifetime. The people are talking.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 26, 2015, 12:12:20 PM
Bannside u t good craic I give u that lol

A small bit premature with ur chest thumping victory speech too lol

I didn't realise u attended county meetings to hear what goes on?!
But then terry the phantom caller goes and sure he knows a thing or two about how meetings should run and how manners costs nothing!

Reilly and hart r two who should not get a position as they have done themselves no favours, hart for down right telling a lies on his cv. The fact that McCann only paid his membership recently also sits uneasy with me. All true Gaels u will tell me!

The rest of the positions will be keenly fought!

I hope whoever gets in can sort casement as we all have seen last night and today that the press release says early next year consultation will happen again before plans submitted. Whoever gets in needs to deal with the outstanding issues of Getting agree to with residents and social club alignment.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 26, 2015, 02:52:28 PM
Wouldn't fancy being a delegate last few years Culchie to tell you the truth. Good chance I will get to a few next year though lol.

Here's a true story in the meantime. There was a matter about a football appointment that I had an interest in and asked our club delegates to ask a question or two from the floor. I think one was had the incoming manager a level playing field budget wise versus the hurling manager. That was only the warm up question the next two were a bit more sensitive and of which I had inside knowledge having spoken to other candidates who had been interviewed.

By coincidence I got a phone call from our club chairman saying that neither delegate was available that night...but if I wanted to I could represent the club as our delegate on that occasion and ask whatever questions were on my mind. Happy enough.

I signed in and took my seat and waited on a chance to speak. When I rose to make my point I was told to sit down and keep quiet. I explained that I was officially standing in for our delegates who could not attend, but was told to "sit down and keep quiet" again.  I stood up again for about the fourth time and asked why as an official representative of my club why I could not make my point......and the answer was...." because the county needed an hours notice prior to the meeting about a change of club delegate". They really did not want to hear what I may or may not say.

A very well respected and experienced club gael who was sitting nearby told me to stand my ground as there was no such rule. I stood for a while longer until I was shouted down for the last time and told to keep quiet. To this day I don't know if that is a rule or not??

The vote for the management position was taken.  Those in favour of the coiste bainisti recommendation put your hands up. Less than 20 people on a room of about 100 put their hand up. "That's it passed then", said the county chairman

"No it's not" I jumped up and said. "Clearly there is not a mandate for this appointment". But no one could be bothered either agreeing or disagreeing and I was friendless in the market! In fact it was scary how little interest club delegates had in the matter. The hurling club delegates couldn't be bothered voting one way or the other!

Later on I waited in the foyer to make a point of asking our paid official how on earth the proposal was accepted as there clearly was no majority in favour of the coiste bainisti sponsored recommendation. Here was the answer.

"Heres the way it is. If the delegates put their hands up or kept their hands down it didn't matter. Either way they are voting for the same thing"!! I swear to God that's the answer I was given. That was my only experience Culchie of a fully fledged county committee meeting and it was a pantomime. But thanks for bringing that up I wouldn't have got the opportunity to share that first hand example of how county business is conducted by our esteemed officials.

Keep firing the questions. There's loads more lol.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 26, 2015, 03:11:39 PM
Great news about Casement. A brand new start really. We really are at our lowest point right now. A few good years development work on amd off the pitch can see us begin to rise from the ashes.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on November 26, 2015, 03:18:50 PM
I don't doubt that ur story didn't happen bannside, not sure about the rule but it was one way out of answering the questions u had.

I would be concerned like yourself at how little support u got or how little club delegates question how our county is ran by the paid official. I also would like a level playing field on budgets where hurling and football r concerned. It is a concern that the men who r involved in the sv tickets r mainly from hurling backgrounds! They have a few token gesture football men.

Casement can't be sorted quick enough, but it is good to c some of the appointments ulster have made includes someone who was involved in previous projects that have now been completed.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hurlingstick on November 26, 2015, 04:55:26 PM
Wouldn't fancy being a delegate last few years Culchie to tell you the truth. Good chance I will get to a few next year though lol.

Here's a true story in the meantime. There was a matter about a football appointment that I had an interest in and asked our club delegates to ask a question or two from the floor. I think one was had the incoming manager a level playing field budget wise versus the hurling manager. That was only the warm up question the next two were a bit more sensitive and of which I had inside knowledge having spoken to other candidates who had been interviewed.

By coincidence I got a phone call from our club chairman saying that neither delegate was available that night...but if I wanted to I could represent the club as our delegate on that occasion and ask whatever questions were on my mind. Happy enough.

I signed in and took my seat and waited on a chance to speak. When I rose to make my point I was told to sit down and keep quiet. I explained that I was officially standing in for our delegates who could not attend, but was told to "sit down and keep quiet" again.  I stood up again for about the fourth time and asked why as an official representative of my club why I could not make my point......and the answer was...." because the county needed an hours notice prior to the meeting about a change of club delegate". They really did not want to hear what I may or may not say.

A very well respected and experienced club gael who was sitting nearby told me to stand my ground as there was no such rule. I stood for a while longer until I was shouted down for the last time and told to keep quiet. To this day I don't know if that is a rule or not??

The vote for the management position was taken.  Those in favour of the coiste bainisti recommendation put your hands up. Less than 20 people on a room of about 100 put their hand up. "That's it passed then", said the county chairman

"No it's not" I jumped up and said. "Clearly there is not a mandate for this appointment". But no one could be bothered either agreeing or disagreeing and I was friendless in the market! In fact it was scary how little interest club delegates had in the matter. The hurling club delegates couldn't be bothered voting one way or the other!

Later on I waited in the foyer to make a point of asking our paid official how on earth the proposal was accepted as there clearly was no majority in favour of the coiste bainisti sponsored recommendation. Here was the answer.

"Heres the way it is. If the delegates put their hands up or kept their hands down it didn't matter. Either way they are voting for the same thing"!! I swear to God that's the answer I was given. That was my only experience Culchie of a fully fledged county committee meeting and it was a pantomime. But thanks for bringing that up I wouldn't have got the opportunity to share that first hand example of how county business is conducted by our esteemed officials.

Keep firing the questions. There's loads more lol.

Bannside (ironically comes up as backside on auto predict), you've way too much time on your hands. I'm looking forward to the end of this process so we don't have to listen to your one sided, unashamedly bias promotion of the prospective new board. For the next couple of weeks try and be a little more analytical of each candidate.....oh and try and use less words.......Actually I'll settle for less PARAGRAPHS!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Clover on November 26, 2015, 05:57:43 PM
Well delargy true colours  showing know you were toid to sit down and you did'nt like it know you hate everybody everyone on the county  committe are not at fault it's going to change no matter what so give over with your one sided views
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 26, 2015, 06:11:55 PM
Bannside being told to shut up on here now too.....
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2015, 06:19:30 PM
Lads everyone is going to have a view or preference for an-other, does that make us all biased? course it does, Bannside is taking the view that SV have ticked all the boxes for him... if someone else views it differently then that is that, a difference of opinion, who's right in all of this? I suppose time will tell after the elections are done and what promises were made before the election actually pan out.....

So many broken promises, false dawns!! whatever else that has went on in the past should cease after this, as both camps seem to have promised a better future (in fairness it couldn't get any worse) and if they don't come up with something then they will look pretty silly!!!

Good luck to all involved should fill a few hundred pages once it is sorted  :-X
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 26, 2015, 09:36:05 PM
Good point MR2. I'm only one opinion on here and not for a second would I expect everyone to agree. Having said that I wont be misrepresented as Clover has tried to do. There are a few current officers that I have absolutely no difficulty with and would gladly support them in a new administration where they might get a chance to thrive. And while happy to say that I still assert that I expect many on the SV ticket to secure a majority and pave an exciting way ahead for our future generations.

Please read the discussion fully before jumping to silly conclusions.



Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on November 26, 2015, 10:24:09 PM
An unfortunate intervention from 'Clover'. Whether one agrees with the views expressed on this board the discussions have been for the most part positive and without resorting to abuse. It would be helpful all round to keep it that way between now and December 7th and beyond in fact.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 28, 2015, 12:31:11 AM
5 posts all about the one topic from Clover (most of them throwin' digs). Just saying like

As important as it is, 'real' gaels IMO have opinions beyond Antrims AGM.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 28, 2015, 12:52:24 AM
I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed before, I'm sure it has....

But does anyone else think that the way we choose county officers is a bit flawed?
What I mean is, club committees sit around and choose their candidates. Their delegates go to county convention and vote "supposedly" how their club told them to. The club delegate could just pick whoever the feck they like and nobody would ever know. That's a bit mad.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bogieman on November 28, 2015, 01:39:44 AM
Lads, there is only one fact, regardless of the bs on here or elsewhere in the columns...

Antrim will get all the members of the new county board they deserve.  8)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Last Man on November 28, 2015, 09:46:17 AM
I'm not sure if this has ever been discussed before, I'm sure it has....

But does anyone else think that the way we choose county officers is a bit flawed?
What I mean is, club committees sit around and choose their candidates. Their delegates go to county convention and vote "supposedly" how their club told them to. The club delegate could just pick whoever the feck they like and nobody would ever know. That's a bit mad.

+1. This fact is often overlooked. My impression is there is little turnover of delegate positions and clubs just let the encumbents slide on through come agm. Lobbying delegates and pulling in old favours is where it's at IMO. Why not on one day of the year could the votes of each club for county officer positions not be published or would that create more score settling down the line??
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 28, 2015, 01:41:40 PM
It's often forgotten that the club delegates to County Committee form the most important body in the county. In fact they are a higher authority than Coiste Bainisti. Nothing should happen without the consent of County Committee and that's why we need club men there who will be interested and motivated to ask all the right questions and at times the tough questions.

For example the county chairman and his entire county management team cannot appoint a county manager unless it is with the expressed consent of the majority of club delegates on County Committee. But our problem is half the time the people on this grouping don't care enough to influence anything. So much apathy exists. We lose a c'ship game and it's not discussed. In other counties the debate could run for hours.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on December 01, 2015, 02:09:33 PM
HS, I'm sure many wonder as you do. All we can do, however, is, within each Club, ensure that your delegates to County meetings and convention are honourable members who go there to represent the interests of their club and not on their own account. I know that anytime I have been mandated by my Club to vote for/against a motion or for a certain individual I have done that.
The same "weakness" may be noted at Congress when we trust that County delegates vote according to the mandate so given by the clubs.
Paper votes make this difficult to confirm but in both cases (county and national) a show of hands may make a close vote hard to call, plus it could lead to fear of voting against successful candidates?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on December 01, 2015, 02:53:29 PM
I think the 1st vote is key. Depending on how the vote for Chair goes the "mood" at Convention will react. I predict it could be similar to 1996 when Joe O'Boyle ousted Oliver Kelly as Chairman; the mood of Convention was so obvious for change that Gerry Barry etc. were never going to be elected. Although the SV candidates are standing separately I think that this 1st vote will set the tone and dictate the subsequent polls!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 01, 2015, 05:24:07 PM
Agree with that except if delegates are mandated by their clubs - and stick to that mandate - then they should be voting in accordance with their club wishes....not waiting to see how the first vote turned out!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on December 02, 2015, 09:21:33 AM
Bannside, I don't know whether it actually applies in any Clubs, but it is possible that that some may give their delegates a conditional mandate? That is, if "A" wins 1st vote then vote, 1,2,3 etc.; if "B" wins then vote X,Y,Z. It might be a novel approach but I speculate that some Clubs may allow delegates to exercise a level of discretion?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 02, 2015, 10:22:56 AM
Fair point Cnma.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gold on December 04, 2015, 09:51:45 AM
Good to see a lot of bigger names back in the County Senior Panel (see in today's Irish News).

There's nothing like it when the County are going well in the Championship, with those players available (and if fit) there's no reason why we couldn't beat Fermanagh in the prelim round and hopefully get the ball rolling

Any other names back/new names added?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on December 05, 2015, 03:03:10 PM
I think voting is going to be tight across the board. I can't see Antrim Vision getting all their candidates through. How many they get through and what that means will be interesting. It will depend on which positions they get too I suppose but I'm wondering what their threshold will be for going ahead or pulling out.
Well, good luck to all. Clubs will decide and what we get we get.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: brendanbelfast on December 05, 2015, 10:40:01 PM
Yeah the talking is all done now, we have been to every club in the county, set out our reasons for going forward as a group and answered questions as best we could. The response from every club was very warm, gracious and respectful. No media campaign, no social media campaign, no YouTube videos.....power within the County lies with the clubs and that is where we have spent the last 5 weeks. Its now over to the clubs and their delegates.

We can collectively decide to stick with what we have, or change things. On Monday night we will know.



Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 07, 2015, 08:50:27 AM
So D-Day is here. Home from work and weins to bed early and watch the Twitter feed all night!!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 09:35:50 AM
Just read the convention preview in today's Irish News. What childish jibberish from the paid one to say the least.

Surely he should be able to come up with something better than this claptrap about not even all the All Stars come from the one team bullshit.

Frankie how about "Great to see some genuine interest in executive positions for a change".

Would that really have been too difficult?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 09:46:02 AM
From my own personal perspective good luck to every volunteer who has allowed their name to go forward at tonights convention. If some don't get the position they aspire to then hopefully they will still be big enough to offer their allegiance in whatever capacity suits their skillset.

No matter what the final composition is hopefully we have a county management committee that can truly represent our interests properly, not only in county matters but at Ulster and National level too.

One way or another this needs to be the start of a brighter future for the next generation of Antrim Gaels.



Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on December 07, 2015, 11:03:15 AM
brendan a bit of false talk on your behalf, as saffron vision has not been to every club in the county, they may have made a phone call but have not visited every club. it was the backroom team for saffron vision that went against a rule of thumb in gaa that you do not canvass for positions but sure what does that matter. but sure tell everyone what they want to hear. no media campaign u say lol who was it that released a statement initially to clubs, which then amazingly appeared in the papers?! but sure no one from saffron vision prompted them to do so. u mentioned previously about working with the other candidate in a pro comm. so why would you then slate him for promoting himself?!

bannside, im surprised your club didnt forward u on a copy of the convention booklet that was emailed 2 weeks ago. pity u had to read it in todays paper to know what the annual reports say.

anyway, the clubs will vote tonight & we will have a new county management at the end of it. fair play to those who get the votes from the clubs.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 12:11:22 PM
You'll be there yourself Culchie lol. Expect the old "keyboard warriors" will get an annual touch even though half the board are on here themselves or have got a chum or two to throw in the odd nugget of wisdom.

I'm more interested in tomorrow's papers tbh.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 07, 2015, 12:58:37 PM
You'll be there yourself Culchie lol. Expect the old "keyboard warriors" will get an annual touch even though half the board are on here themselves or have got a chum or two to throw in the odd nugget of wisdom.

I'm more interested in tomorrow's papers tbh.

I doubt they actually post but are very good at telling half truths.. or what I have mainly heard (coming back to me that is) a lot of things taken out of context....
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on December 07, 2015, 05:24:33 PM
can some of use keep us updated here as to what happens at it?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: imtommygunn on December 07, 2015, 06:03:10 PM
I doubt too many papers will have this tomorrow bs. Maybe a titbit in the irish news and coverage in the county antrim post / andytown news !
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 06:43:34 PM
I'm sure we will get a full report before then ITG. Big night in store and lots at stake, not just for us oul boys, who are hoping to be around to see an Antrim we are wholly proud of, punching it's weight.... but for the next generation. That might sound a bit dramatic but honestly that's how I see it.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: imtommygunn on December 07, 2015, 07:30:05 PM
Your optimism is great bs. I admire it. Hope it's well founded!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 07, 2015, 08:00:29 PM
Collie Donnelly new county chairman..
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 08:03:10 PM
88 -51. Great start.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
Paul Mc Cann Treasurer. 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 08:38:58 PM
Philip Christie in too.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on December 07, 2015, 08:51:23 PM
3 important positions nailed
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 08:58:36 PM
Alex Mc Quillan in too.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on December 07, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
What about the rest of the positions
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: keep her low this half on December 07, 2015, 09:04:19 PM
Philip Christie in too.
No better man
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 09:05:50 PM
Jim Mc lean second delegate and Sean Kelly defeated Brendan for PRO. Gutted for him but he will still have a role to play in shaping our county don't worry about that.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 07, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
Sean Kelly elected
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 09:06:27 PM
Whilst saying that, well done to Sean Kelly.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: ManInBlackandGreen on December 07, 2015, 09:08:56 PM
Absolutely fantastic results now all we need us the Honey Monster beaten for VC and what a new dawn for Antrim something we can all get behind again.....
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 09:14:22 PM
Malachy Delargy VC by a landslide. Bronagh Lennon culture.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 07, 2015, 09:19:15 PM
Absolutely fantastic results now all we need us the Honey Monster beaten for VC and what a new dawn for Antrim something we can all get behind again.....


Honey Monster?

Hopefully Stephen O'Boyle will take the Ass Secretary from Terry Reilly.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 09:22:27 PM
Nope. Terry Reilly 87-58.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 07, 2015, 09:36:12 PM
6/8 for Saffron Vision. The county has spoken out loud and clear. A big big night for those who worked so hard for change. Won every big call with a comfortable majority.

No need for grandstanding as there are some excellent gaels amongst the defeated candidates, some with a role still to play for their county.

But tonight belongs to Saffron Vision. Make no mistake about that!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 07, 2015, 09:38:39 PM
Malachy Delargy VC by a landslide. Bronagh Lennon culture.

My aul mate as VC.... Good man Mal
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gizzy15 on December 07, 2015, 10:04:39 PM
Malachy Delargy VC by a landslide. Bronagh Lennon culture.

My aul mate as VC.... Good man Mal

county final for mr2 next year ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 07, 2015, 10:08:14 PM
Malachy Delargy VC by a landslide. Bronagh Lennon culture.

My aul mate as VC.... Good man Mal

county final for mr2 next year ;)

Haha!! I couldn't even get one championship game this year!! Mal won't lack honesty integrity and effort...

Hopefully everyone now gets together and sorts things out!! First thing is to sort out our county facilities!!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on December 07, 2015, 11:16:33 PM
6/8 for Saffron Vision. The county has spoken out loud and clear. A big big night for those who worked so hard for change. Won every big call with a comfortable majority.

No need for grandstanding as there are some excellent gaels amongst the defeated candidates, some with a role still to play for their county.

But tonight belongs to Saffron Vision. Make no mistake about that!

+1 in bold.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on December 07, 2015, 11:29:40 PM
Well done to all. I thought some at our top table were embarrassing and extremely ignorant towards those asking questions from the floor. Their attitude towards people was scandalous. Collie Donnelly was not invited up either?? What was that about?

Vision did better than I thought they would. Some of the margins surprised me. It was a wipeout. They missed a trick not running candidates against Murray & Eastwood. They were gimmes.

Anyway, that's it and the work begins now for those elected. Best of luck to them.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: delgany on December 07, 2015, 11:43:00 PM
Alot of wheeling and dealing will  be needed  now.   6  for SV   6 non  SV . Chair  has major  role to pplayin delivering  sustainable progress  and  improvement.   Not quite the  night of the  long  knives.  Lets hope  they can work as an all star team !
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 07, 2015, 11:48:18 PM
Alot of wheeling and dealing will  be needed  now.   6  for SV   6 non  SV . Chair  has major  role to pplayin delivering  sustainable progress  and  improvement.   Not quite the  night of the  long  knives.  Lets hope  they can work as an all star team !

Main roles taken up by SV??
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on December 08, 2015, 09:24:41 AM
Vision did better than I thought they would. Some of the margins surprised me. It was a wipeout. They missed a trick not running candidates against Murray & Eastwood. They were gimmes.

I believe that misunderstanding/confusion led to TE being elected; I heard GMG believed TE had withdrawn so withdrew also so that position would be left vacant requiring co-option later. It was widely believed he would easily beat TE but didn't want to serve under Joe, and in the event of Collie being unsuccessful he would have been stuck. Unfortunate!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on December 08, 2015, 10:14:25 PM
I heard suggestion that the carry on of Jim Murray & Brendan Wilson on the night may have damaged the vote of those seen as associated with them. Any thoughts? It certainly can't have helped IMO.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: JimStynes on December 08, 2015, 10:30:50 PM
What was the carryon?

Someone give us a summary of the evening.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on December 08, 2015, 10:38:59 PM
They were basically downright rude to anyone who asked a question, often shouting at them to sit down, refusing to answer questions, shouting people down and just shouting that they were moving on without acknowledging questions. On one occasion Jim Murray shouted, "I don't know what you're talking about, sit down" to a man who was only half way through his question. It was totally embarrassing and shameful.

Better than the "fcuk off" answers he gave at a meeting with CSC members I suppose.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cfclg on December 09, 2015, 09:57:31 AM
They were basically downright rude to anyone who asked a question, often shouting at them to sit down, refusing to answer questions, shouting people down and just shouting that they were moving on without acknowledging questions. On one occasion Jim Murray shouted, "I don't know what you're talking about, sit down" to a man who was only half way through his question. It was totally embarrassing and shameful.

Better than the "fcuk off" answers he gave at a meeting with CSC members I suppose.

I don't know the guy and have never spoken to him but does anyone have anything decent to say about Jim Murray??? Honest question
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gizzy15 on December 09, 2015, 10:12:36 AM
They were basically downright rude to anyone who asked a question, often shouting at them to sit down, refusing to answer questions, shouting people down and just shouting that they were moving on without acknowledging questions. On one occasion Jim Murray shouted, "I don't know what you're talking about, sit down" to a man who was only half way through his question. It was totally embarrassing and shameful.

Better than the "fcuk off" answers he gave at a meeting with CSC members I suppose.

I don't know the guy and have never spoken to him but does anyone have anything decent to say about Jim Murray??? Honest question

a face (and attiude) that only a mother could love
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: MoChara on December 09, 2015, 10:20:49 AM
All change in Antrim as Saffron Vision take the county reins

SAFFRON VISION claimed a resounding victory at Monday night’s Antrim County Convention, with six of its eight members winning a place on the new county committee.

It took just 20 minutes for the 139 delegates present in the Dunsilly Hotel, Antrim to set the pattern for the remainder of the two and-a-half-hour event when Collie Donnelly, one of the 'Saffron Vision Eight', was elected chairman to succeed Jim Murray, whose five-year tenure had come to an end.

The St John’s former vice-chairman was a clear winner - 88 to 51 - over Joe Edwards, whose nine-year association with the county board ended. The 53-year-old Donnelly, who played both hurling and football for his club and county, comes to the executive with a clean sheet, having little previous involvement in county administration, although he did serve for five years on the hearings committee.

Saffron Vision, who served notice of their intentions to shake up the county in late October, continued to celebrate when member Pól Mac Cana was elected treasurer. The St Enda’s clubman was 15 ahead of St Paul’s Billy McLarnon and will now fill the position vacated by Brendan Wilson, who did not seek reelection for personal reasons.

Just minutes later, the writing was on the wall for the existing executive when long-serving member Danny McLernon and Frank Smyth did not count against Glen Rovers man Philip Christie, who was elected on the first count as Central Council delegate. Christie, a farm grant consultant, has previous experience at executive level and is currently treasurer of the Armoy club.

The landslide continued when Glenravel’s Alec McQuillan was elected as one of the Ulster Council delegates and will accompany James McLean, who retained his position.

Saffron Vision members Brendan Mulgrew and John Hart missed out on making it a clean sweep as they were beaten to the PRO and cultural officer posts, respectively.

Putting his personal disappointment aside, Mulgrew was delighted with Monday night’s outcome and said: “It’s time for a new Antrim.”

“The clubs have spoken and they’ve decided on a new course, which means wholesale change. The votes were carried by big, big margins. There was a mood for change. The real job starts now for the new officers. And the fact that the people who have been elected, no-one will fault them for their hard work and dedication.

“Nowhere around the country would you see as big a change as that in one night.”

Seán Kelly of St Malachy’s edged out Mulgrew for the PRO position, 75 to 62, while Bronagh Lennon got the nod for the cultural officer post with a strong majority. Gort na Móna’s Terry Reilly took the assistant secretary position, defeating Stephen Boyle by 36 votes and will work alongside existing secretary Frankie Quinn, who has one more term, at least, to serve.

Elsewhere, Cushendall’s Malachy Delargy beat former PRO Seán Fleming to the vice-chair position with 39 votes to spare.

In his final address, Jim Murray, who took the new development officer position, said the county committee had made their decision and the challenge was to be welcomed. He did, however, comment on the personal and hurtful comments made during electioneering period before adding that he had a dream for county hurling and football, Casement Park and the Centre of Participation and Dunsilly.

New chairman Collie Donnelly said it was a great honour to be elected and expressed his group’s thanks to all the clubs visited in the past six weeks. After the results were announced, former Antrim footballer Anto Finnegan remarked on Twitter that it was important to acknowledge the contribution of the outgoing officers.

The St Paul’s man tweeted: “A number of great Antrim GAA servants losing out tonight at county convention. Their contribution should not be forgotten #AontroimAbu."

 

ELECTED OFFICERS
Chairman: Collie Donnelly; vice-chair: Malachy Delargy; assistant secretary: Terry Reilly; treasurer: Pól Mac Cana; assistant treasurer: Tyrone Eastwood; development officer: Jim Murray; coaching officer: Columb Walsh; language and cultural officer: Bronagh Lennon; PRO: Seán Kelly; Central Council delegate: Philip Christie; Ulster Council delegates: Alex McQuillan and Jim McLean.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2015/12/08/news/all-change-in-antrim-347365/
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: culchie11 on December 10, 2015, 09:55:23 AM
the dust has settled now after convention, well done to all the successful candidates but it is nice to see one of our county players paying tribute to the outgoing men. some had v long service to our county and deserve thanks for taking on jobs when nominations werent forthcoming from clubs. our new county board will hopefully right a few wrongs of the past few years and good luck to them. it is our county so we all hope we can be proud of it again and make news for the right reasons!

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on December 10, 2015, 12:03:40 PM
I notice the twitter account has went into over drive this past few days tweeting and re-tweeting. Its good to see as social media, when used correctly, can put a strong message forward.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on December 10, 2015, 02:30:54 PM
I have heard that GMG is still willing to assist SV team if they want him; not all of previous officers have been tarnished
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cnma on January 06, 2016, 03:37:12 PM
Any news on how things are progressing within SV team?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: delgany on January 06, 2016, 06:23:51 PM
CCC   in  a mess   no one willing to step up
....the role was usually held by vice chair! ( wee man),    Not  much   vision there
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 06, 2016, 10:31:21 PM
CCC   in  a mess   no one willing to step up
....the role was usually held by vice chair! ( wee man),    Not  much   vision there

That's it... Close down the doors and merge with Down and Derry!!! Get a grip ffs
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on March 02, 2016, 10:52:53 AM
Was in Antrim town half an hour ago and called into Dunsilly to see what's happening there (slightly influenced by recent discussion on the Antrim hurling thread) and I am pleased to report that there were three or four workmen there.

I spoke briefly to the foreman and he says if the weather picks up they should have the changing rooms etc finished in three to four months. Only thing holding them back a bit is the weather and I know in our own development in Portglenone it's the weather holding things up a bit there too. Other than that things seem to be on track alright there thankfully.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on March 02, 2016, 03:10:26 PM
thats good to hear bannside. hopefully the work continues along.

How is the development at your place going now incidentally? Last time i was there for a match all the trees had been felled and alot of clearing had been done.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on March 02, 2016, 04:39:10 PM
Ground work on second pitch is well advanced DR but need some weather now to complete and sew the pitch. We have a good vision of how it will all look but there are a few phases before its all complete. Over 80 club volunteers are back out on the road again this week to raise funds to make sure O Cahan Pk finishes up a tidy set up.

In a couple of years we should have a good local facility on top of Dunsilly and Casement. All we need now is a few winning teams to put on them lol.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on March 02, 2016, 04:44:10 PM
excellent news. long overdue with the footbal and camogie clubs there. its not easy to operate on one pitch only and if truth be told the pitch has suffered for it getting no rest. will get a look at the progress this season no doubt
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on April 26, 2016, 10:30:33 AM
Our club got a report back from our delegate at County Committee meeting last night about recent activity.

Dunsilly coming along fine, and should be open for business by the end of the summer. Should be more than adequate for our interim needs - credit to all involved.

Casement Park is a different matter. Details were given to club delegates about the offer that is currently on the table from Ulster, and going by the mood that was reported in the room, Antrim officials will have great difficulty selling anything resembling that to the clubs. Unless Ulster come up with a much improved offer that reflects our position as landlords of the grounds, then unfortunately our delegate said he sees trouble ahead.

Antrim clubs are really only beginning to get a full picture of the insulting package that was on offer, and there was quite a lot of anger in the room. If Ulster are looking for their dream stadium then they need to start upping the ante and treating Antrim with more respect.

If that dosent happen I do really see this coming to a sorry end.

One delegate, apparently, was adamant we dont need it at all, and if we sell Casement we can build a proper Dunsilly and tidy up a couple of county grounds with a new and improved facilities. The majority opposed this in favour of a proper a fair deal from Ulster but insist this is now a priority.

Interesting Times.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: imtommygunn on April 26, 2016, 10:36:30 AM
Do we still own it though or do the ulster council own it??
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on April 26, 2016, 10:53:40 AM
Take a look at the lack of support that was in CP on Saturday. I'm sure there was even less support down in Parnell watch the Kildare game.

Now please.. someone tell me WHY from an Antrim perspective, Casement Park needs to be a redeveloped in the way that the Ulster Council want it developed? It is so blatantly obvious to me that it would be a terrible thing for Antrim teams to be playing in an echoy stadium with zero atmosphere , I can't for the life of me understand why any Antrim man wants it? Can't help but think power brokers who haven't Antrims best interests at heart are controlling the debate and information flow.

Or am I missing something ?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on April 26, 2016, 11:37:19 AM
i think your spot on skull. It was apparent that we didnt have a big support there on sunday.

 i suppose im old enough to have seen the big antrim support that was at the games during the late 80', through the 90's. Even the ulster hurling finals were attended by a massive crowd who would usually sit all over the grass hills at Casement Park and were entertained by two good games at minor and senior level. The football games were still well attended despite us not winning a game for so many years. I was lucky enough to be at the Down game when we finally broke the losing run and finally win a match in the championship.

Those days of a big support are gone, and long gone at that. I would struggle to name you a single person i know who attended Croke Park on sat to watch the football from my neck of the woods. The interest just isnt there any more. Its not just football, its the hurling as well. Unless the games at home most people wouldnt attend an antrim hurling match.

How could we even justify opening casement to house around 1000 people? after the novelty has wore off the place who would even want to go to play a game at an empty stadium?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: AQMP on April 26, 2016, 11:44:33 AM
Do we still own it though or do the ulster council own it??

I think Antrim still own Casement.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: themac_23 on April 26, 2016, 11:48:34 AM
i think your spot on skull. It was apparent that we didnt have a big support there on sunday.

 i suppose im old enough to have seen the big antrim support that was at the games during the late 80', through the 90's. Even the ulster hurling finals were attended by a massive crowd who would usually sit all over the grass hills at Casement Park and were entertained by two good games at minor and senior level. The football games were still well attended despite us not winning a game for so many years. I was lucky enough to be at the Down game when we finally broke the losing run and finally win a match in the championship.

Those days of a big support are gone, and long gone at that. I would struggle to name you a single person i know who attended Croke Park on sat to watch the football from my neck of the woods. The interest just isnt there any more. Its not just football, its the hurling as well. Unless the games at home most people wouldnt attend an antrim hurling match.

How could we even justify opening casement to house around 1000 people? after the novelty has wore off the place who would even want to go to play a game at an empty stadium?

http://www.football365.com/news/brno-czech-football-stadium-rebuilt

this is what casement needs never mind the white elephant!!!!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: imtommygunn on April 26, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Take a look at the lack of support that was in CP on Saturday. I'm sure there was even less support down in Parnell watch the Kildare game.

Now please.. someone tell me WHY from an Antrim perspective, Casement Park needs to be a redeveloped in the way that the Ulster Council want it developed? It is so blatantly obvious to me that it would be a terrible thing for Antrim teams to be playing in an echoy stadium with zero atmosphere , I can't for the life of me understand why any Antrim man wants it? Can't help but think power brokers who haven't Antrims best interests at heart are controlling the debate and information flow.

Or am I missing something ?

I would say you're spot on. We do need a county ground though. (Although I think the county hurling finals in north antrim but probably not suitable / fair on city folk)

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on April 26, 2016, 12:50:35 PM
A strategy should have been developed years ago to get out of Casement and situate a properly sized stadium to suit our needs in the middle of the county that is 30 minutes of 90% of the GAA population that had proper access and parking. I presume Dunsilly access is a major problem in that regard?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on April 26, 2016, 01:44:47 PM
Antrim still own the Stadium.  Our officials must do what is right for Antrim, not for Ulster. They will take back to us the best possible deal they can get....and then it will be entirely over to the clubs to mandate their delegates whether or not to accept.

The outcome of this will be sealed by Antrim clubs, especially their committee members who will be given the details and asked for a response.

If the deal looks right I will be in favour of it. But I want to see Antrim get a deal that reflects the fact that £60m of Dcal money is going into the project solely and specifically FOR THE UPGRADING or REBUILD of Casement Park. Which is the home of ANTRIM GAA.

This money is not ringfenced for Ulster Council to build a stadium wherever they wish..... so people should stop posting that drivel. Do they want access to the £60m or not?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on April 26, 2016, 01:45:49 PM
A strategy should have been developed years ago to get out of Casement and situate a properly sized stadium to suit our needs in the middle of the county that is 30 minutes of 90% of the GAA population that had proper access and parking. I presume Dunsilly access is a major problem in that regard?

The railway line seems to be the cause of the access issues. I would have thought any solution to this would involve a lot of different parties and unfortunately money to get around.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on April 26, 2016, 01:50:02 PM
Antrim still own the Stadium.  Our officials must do what is right for Antrim, not for Ulster. They will take back to us the best possible deal they can get....and then it will be entirely over to the clubs to mandate their delegates whether or not to accept.

The outcome of this will be sealed by Antrim clubs, especially their committee members who will be given the details and asked for a response.

If the deal looks right I will be in favour of it. But I want to see Antrim get a deal that reflects the fact that £60m of Dcal money is going into the project solely and specifically FOR THE UPGRADING or REBUILD of Casement Park. Which is the home of ANTRIM GAA.

This money is not ringfenced for Ulster Council to build a stadium wherever they wish..... so people should stop posting that drivel. Do they want access to the £60m or not?

Flawed thinking there bannside on what has been a flawed process from the beginning.

Yes Antrim want access to £60m of course we would, but we do not want to sell our souls for the sake of it. To build something that instead of enhancing future generations of Antrim gaels, it actually becomes a millstone around their necks, in terms of insurance payments, up keep, services etc etc etc.

So it is not as simple as saying take it or leave it, it has to be for the benefit of current gaels as well as those coming behind us all.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on April 26, 2016, 02:05:58 PM
Fair Point Nag1. The only thing that gives me comfort is that Pol Mc Canna is involved in looking after our interests. His background will ensure we dont settle for something that isnt in our best interests. Having said that, he wont be the one making the final decisions here. He will leave that responsibility to the clubs of Antrim. But he wont be walked over I can assure you of that!

As I said previously, if the deal isnt a decent one for Antrim it will not succeed. It simply wont get past the clubs.

The feeling is we have been taken for a bit of a ride and expected to go along with it. Thats not going to happen.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on April 26, 2016, 02:12:30 PM
A strategy should have been developed years ago to get out of Casement and situate a properly sized stadium to suit our needs in the middle of the county that is 30 minutes of 90% of the GAA population that had proper access and parking. I presume Dunsilly access is a major problem in that regard?

The railway line seems to be the cause of the access issues. I would have thought any solution to this would involve a lot of different parties and unfortunately money to get around.

Yeah it was the railway line that has caused that problem. the costs of going in their a building a new access and a bridge were far too expensive and it was ditched very early on.

You only have to look at the massive park and ride at Templepatrick that was built. It orgionally was to have train platform there as a new park and ride for the trains and buses. The cost of the new platform and the works to area meant it had to be ditched as well.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on April 26, 2016, 02:20:04 PM
There is surrounding land beside Dunsilly that could be bought/leased and could cater for many hundreds of cars. People in Antrim Town club are aware of this. That would leave a safe, same side of the road 100-200 yard walk to the ground. Thats phase two.

It may never be an Owenbeg, but it would be a huge improvement on where we were for years with no ground to prepare our teams on.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2017, 03:59:39 PM
Time to bump this with convention around the corner.

What's the consensus out there. Current executive doing ok, or time for a change?

Please keep it constructive....If you have a negative opinion on the current lot fair enough, but be man enough to say what you would do in the same position. ie, what would YOU do differently.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 22, 2017, 04:29:20 PM
Any idea on what motions/proposals there are?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on November 22, 2017, 06:57:50 PM
Any idea on what motions/proposals there are?
Anyone know if the treasurers report gets made public?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2017, 07:08:31 PM
No it won't be made public nor would it be in the best interests for it to be public knowledge. Sure it's well known that half the county's in Ireland are in financial difficulty.

But three of your club delegates will be in attendance at agm, and they (rightfully) will be handed the accounts and offered a chance to question them. That's the democratic process which is designed to be fair and accountable in the right places.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on November 22, 2017, 08:45:20 PM
No it won't be made public nor would it be in the best interests for it to be public knowledge. Sure it's well known that half the county's in Ireland are in financial difficulty.

But three of your club delegates will be in attendance at agm, and they (rightfully) will be handed the accounts and offered a chance to question them. That's the democratic process which is designed to be fair and accountable in the right places.
why would it not be in the best interests for the county's finances to be public knowledge? I and many others contribute to county fund raising initiatives and if you don't let people know where their contributions go that's a sure way to put them off contributing .....
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 22, 2017, 09:03:30 PM
Go to the convention ?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2017, 09:37:58 PM
Do you reallty think it would be in our countys best interest to have its financial details posted on a public forum website?

It's great that you contribute and long may that last, but There are other ways of getting the info you need.

In any event there will be a convention report which may report on the financial highlights, but won't go into a great level of detail. But that's not to say they are a secret either, at least 200 delegates will have a full four or five page report and a chance to  drill as deep as they want.

Chances are they won't though as 90% are only interested in their own club and will be watching the clock. No one is likely to ask about juvenile development or football either for that matter.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2017, 09:52:58 PM
I for one think the current board have achieved a hell of a lot in two years. But the problem is, most of it is hidden from view. One thing they don't do well is communicate their own achievements.

The very first thing that needs to be recognised is that two men put in circa £100k of their own money two years ago to keep the county afloat. That's commitment no matter what way you look at it, or what your own agenda is. And this money has been paid back to them in full.

At the risk of coming across as their spokesman which I am totally not by the way, I will make a list of some of their achievements to date....and will do so for one reason that 99% of Antrim gaels have no real idea of the type of progress being made.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 22, 2017, 09:59:26 PM
The current board faced a huge task when they came in, they have made very steady progress on key issues. They should be allowed to stay at the helm. Change now would be disruptive and set us back. ‘We’re not them’ isn’t a great platform to stand on.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 22, 2017, 10:00:49 PM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/comment-antrim-gaa-needs-stability-to-flourish-like-belfast-boxing-36342134.html

Interesting article in tonight's telegraph from Declan Bogue.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on November 22, 2017, 10:17:17 PM
The current board faced a huge task when they came in, they have made very steady progress on key issues. They should be allowed to stay at the helm. Change now would be disruptive and set us back. ‘We’re not them’ isn’t a great platform to stand on.
It could be argued that SV were the 1st to build that platform, in fairness.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 22, 2017, 11:00:46 PM
Don’t agree with that. SV out forward a very specific, positive programme. Not just ‘we’re different.’
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 22, 2017, 11:05:30 PM
I think the Bel Tel article linked above says it very well. Right now we need continuity, stability. Not another change at the county executive table.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Stillwater2 on November 23, 2017, 07:54:57 AM
Brendan Antrim and Bannside, have they done enough?

Communication with clubs, v poor. The All Ireland Tickets issues.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 23, 2017, 08:37:46 AM
I don't know about communication with clubs. Its not an issue I am aware of as being a problem. In fact I have heard clubs describing a refreshing level of accessibility and transparency over the last two years.

All Ireland tickets - we now have a very significant level of corporate partners and sponsors, way over and above anything previously in place. That process involves making an investment on our part, AI tickets are part of the currency. Happens all over the country.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 23, 2017, 09:14:51 AM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/comment-antrim-gaa-needs-stability-to-flourish-like-belfast-boxing-36342134.html

Interesting article in tonight's telegraph from Declan Bogue.

Aye the Belfast Telegraph is a such a good paper...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: NAG1 on November 23, 2017, 09:28:00 AM
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/comment-antrim-gaa-needs-stability-to-flourish-like-belfast-boxing-36342134.html

Interesting article in tonight's telegraph from Declan Bogue.

Aye the Belfast Telegraph is a such a good paper...

To use Boxing as an example is just utter nonsense, has he done any research into their background?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 23, 2017, 10:39:40 AM
Well you may have a POV on the Bel Tel overall but anyone who suggests that Declan Bogue is anything but a top class GAA journalist is plain wrong.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 23, 2017, 04:21:26 PM
£1.5 million secured for coaching in greater Belfast which will free up coaches across the rest of the county. Circa £60k in sponsorship from Casement Park social club. Saffron Business Forum awards £25k to development squads. Almost 100 businesses signed up for £1k per year and growing.

Anyone who cant/won't see this as progress needs help.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 23, 2017, 04:24:44 PM
£1.5 million secured for coaching in greater Belfast which will free up coaches across the rest of the county. Circa £60k in sponsorship from Casement Park social club. Saffron Business Forum awards £25k to development squads. Almost 100 businesses signed up for £1k per year and growing.

Anyone who cant/won't see this as progress needs help.

broadband working around PG1 again BS? Serious flurry of posts in the last few days, you're nearly as bad as the stoops and shinners around election time..
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 23, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
Lol PJ. Serious amount of negativity going on. To be honest if I was a board man I would really have to wonder if it's worth it.

I'm totally neutral and I mean that, and hands up say certain things can be done better. But for the sake of balance, especially around convention time, it's only proper that credit is given where it's due, particularly when 99% of gaels in the county haven't a clue what's really going on.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Stillwater2 on November 23, 2017, 06:09:51 PM
Bannside says he is neutral  ::)

Some canvassing going on at the minute.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 23, 2017, 06:15:14 PM
Bannside says he is neutral  ::)

Some canvassing going on at the minute.

Canvassing on here? Are you being serious? Nobody looks in here! No one that really counts is on here
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 23, 2017, 07:50:30 PM
Lol PJ. Serious amount of negativity going on. To be honest if I was a board man I would really have to wonder if it's worth it.

I'm totally neutral and I mean that, and hands up say certain things can be done better. But for the sake of balance, especially around convention time, it's only proper that credit is given where it's due, particularly when 99% of gaels in the county haven't a clue what's really going on.

I’m not being negative, just noticed how BrendanBelfast & yourself have been flat out as last few days.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 23, 2017, 09:04:40 PM
I said at the outset this dormant thread was given a bump to assess the feeling out there prior to convention. Make no apologies for that. I have always take an interest in county convention PJ, going back quite a few years and have attended a few....and I'm at the stage now where I know the difference between wafflers and people who get the thing done. I'd say without hesitation this is the most proactive board we have ever had, and they give me confidence that their (often unseen) work will pay dividends in the long run.

If you'd said to me two years ago that our finances would be in surplus within two years I would have laughed.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 24, 2017, 09:36:54 AM
From todays Irish News...

I REMEMBER the Antrim senior footballers being locked out of their temporary training facilities at Woodlands Park back in the mid-noughties.

The caretaker couldn’t be found.

I remember being told the Antrim starting team for a Championship match before the players were told.

Another time, two Antrim players found out via Ceefax that they had been dropped for an upcoming game.

I recall a couple of Antrim senior football and hurling managers chasing around trying to find a pitch to train on.

I recall an Antrim player bemoaning the post-match culinary choices of microwaved pizza and sausage rolls.

It’s only a personal view but I wouldn’t have complained about this.

At other times club fixtures involving county players were run off on the same weekend as important inter-county games.

In short, there are too many examples of poor governance to mention within Antrim GAA over the years.

Nobody courted negative headlines quite like Antrim did.

They turned bad news stories into an art form.

As a consequence, media relations with Antrim officialdom were perennially strained.

I remember entering Casement Park one Sunday afternoon trying to wrestle back my press pass from an over officious turnstile operator.

I was mad for about five minutes before seeing the funny side of two grown men with clenched teeth and furrowed brows fighting over a piece of laminated plastic.

Despite everything The Irish News generally received a courteous welcome on our countless visits to the old west Belfast venue.

The vast majority of Antrim officials and volunteers over the years were decent, hard-working people, but always fighting a rising tide.

Every new administration claimed they were merely sweeping up the debris left by the previous regime. And so history repeated itself.

Some county boards made progress.

John McSparran’s chairmanship is a case in point.

During that time, Liam ‘Baker’ Bradley guided the senior footballers to an Ulster final in 2009.

Terence McNaughton and Dominic McKinley nurtured a fine minor hurling team in 2005/06 that still backbones the the current senior team.

But Antrim never really got ahead.

If relations were constantly strained between the county board and the God-awful ‘meedja’ they seemed permanently fractured with the clubs.

Of course, it didn’t stop Loughgiel Shamrocks or St Gall’s winning All-Ireland titles at senior level and, if anything, showed that success could be Antrim's at any level.

Previous Antrim County Board officers can rightly feel aggrieved that Croke Park didn’t intervene with decent funding, until now.

Belfast, albeit belatedly, will receive in the region of £1.5m over the next five years to try and rejuvenate Gaelic Games in schools.

Two years ago, the much heralded ‘Saffron Vision’ swept to power at county convention in a spectacular coup, with six of its eight members gaining office.

All that was missing at Dunsilly Hotel that night was fireworks blazing across Antrim’s skies.

Spool forward two years and some feel that the ‘Saffron Vision’ has lost some of its fizz, evidenced by a handful of election challenges coming up at their December 4 convention.

Some mistakes have been made over the last two years.

The county board’s perceived lack of communication with the clubs has been cited as one of the biggest criticisms of the new regime.

Others were annoyed at the handling of Frank Fitzsimons’ exit as senior football manager in the summer.

In an interview that will appear over the coming days with chairman and vice-chairman Collie Donnelly and Terry O’Reilly - both of whom face challenges at convention - they readily acknowledge some of the board’s shortcomings.

But are these shortcomings really enough to depose two key members of the county board (there are other challenges for Ulster Council delegate positions) both of whom have helped Antrim GAA put its best foot forward in financial terms?

Croke Park is finally committing €300,000 per year to revive Gaelic Games in Belfast.

The county board has tapped successfully into the corporate sector thanks to the hugely successful Saffron Business Forum.

Relations with the Casement Park social club have been mended too with its members raising £40,000 this year for Antrim GAA.

Remember, it was only a few years ago the social club was being threatened with legal action by the previous county executive.

More money has been ploughed into Dunsilly's ‘Centre of Participation’ complex - a project beset by teething problems in the early days.

Critics of Saffron Vision are right when they say the new board’s communication skills are lacking.

Yes, there has been the odd cheque presentation photograph appearing in the press but they have fallen woefully short in spreading the good news stories and the significant amounts of money being raised over the last two years.

In financial terms, Antrim GAA has made massive strides. But it’s the best-kept secret in the country.

Jim McLean (Dunloy) and Columb Walsh (Aghgallon) will contest the chair and vice-chair positions in Dunsilly on Monday week.

McLean and Walsh obviously believe there is a better way of doing things at county executive level than the current men at the helm.

McLean, a former county officer, has aired his disappointment at the lack of transparency from 'Saffron Vision'.

Over the years there were countless occasions when Antrim was crying out for a changing of the guard.

But to make a challenge now seems badly mistimed, particularly when new relations are being forged with the business community and sponsorship money is rolling in from shirt and competition sponsors.

Antrim GAA is finally moving forward, and at a decent pace too.

For as long as I’ve reported on Antrim GAA this has never been the case.

'Leaks' to the press complaining about pizza, sausage rolls and absent caretakers have long since dried up.

The current board is not perfect and they have made mistakes - but the positives heavily outweigh the negatives over the past two years.

Change now would be akin to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It simply wouldn't make sense.

But delegates will decide for themselves on Monday week.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 24, 2017, 09:47:02 AM


I’m not being negative, just noticed how BrendanBelfast & yourself have been flat out as last few days.
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Flat out! 5 posts in 3 days.  ::)  Love your definition of fat out. Hope you don't have too busy a day.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 24, 2017, 09:50:45 AM


I’m not being negative, just noticed how BrendanBelfast & yourself have been flat out as last few days.

Flat out! 5 posts in 3 days.  ::)  Love your definition of fat out. Hope you don't have too busy a day.
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And very little before it. Have a nice day me oul mate.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 25, 2017, 09:33:15 PM
Seems BB and BS have friends in high places....jeez BS now says we have surplus and we made our minors do without last year....and demanded our mentors dig deep.
Please somebody explain why Eugene Young's efforts in gaining £300k per year for 5 will guarantee improvement...how much was given to Derry to ensure better productivity in schools..does St Pats, St Mary's, or St Pius x look for grant aid ?
Jeez we have not a pitch in our county with a stand, and none in Belfast with floodlighting..and no county ground...
ffs Our u-21s had to play a championship game this term on a rugby training pitch...





Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 25, 2017, 11:03:39 PM
Seems BB and BS have friends in high places....jeez BS now says we have surplus and we made our minors do without last year....and demanded our mentors dig deep.
Please somebody explain why Eugene Young's efforts in gaining £300k per year for 5 will guarantee improvement...how much was given to Derry to ensure better productivity in schools..does St Pats, St Mary's, or St Pius x look for grant aid ?
Jeez we have not a pitch in our county with a stand, and none in Belfast with floodlighting..and no county ground...
ffs Our u-21s had to play a championship game this term on a rugby training pitch...

No pitches in Belfast with floodlighting? Are you sure?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 26, 2017, 08:55:44 AM
Well to my knowledge there are lights at Cliftonville, Woodlands, the Dub, Windsor, Shore road, and other grounds but help me in identifying similar on our units grounds.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 26, 2017, 09:08:51 AM
CB everyone with half a brain knows the problems and the deficiencies. Where the county's shortfalls are. What needs to done. Just like everyone knew thirty years ago when the O Hara report was published.  Youre not saying anything everyone else dosent know.

The difference is we have a proactive, radical and progressive board in situ, who are very obviously getting things done, and all you want to contribute is as much negativity as you possibly can. Are things perfect? No far from it. But some very significant steps have been taken to put a foundation in place.

Are you able to offer anything constructive, any solutions you could personally recommend. Have you a few local businesses you can help co opt onto the SBF, that's already projecting half a million pounds to us over five years. Why don't you help double that total.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 26, 2017, 11:52:24 AM
CB everyone with half a brain knows the problems and the deficiencies. Where the county's shortfalls are. What needs to done. Just like everyone knew thirty years ago when the O Hara report was published.  Youre not saying anything everyone else dosent know.

The difference is we have a proactive, radical and progressive board in situ, who are very obviously getting things done, and all you want to contribute is as much negativity as you possibly can. Are things perfect? No far from it. But some very significant steps have been taken to put a foundation in place.

Are you able to offer anything constructive, any solutions you could personally recommend. Have you a few local businesses you can help co opt onto the SBF, that's already projecting half a million pounds to us over five years. Why don't you help double that total.
Of course I recall the "O'Hara report" and am well aware of who commissioned such and how one who was in my humble 'half a brain' opinion a real leader was ousted.
I am sure you can recall the scurrilous campaign launched against that individual BS.....I certainly do and am well aware of those involved.
Really have no time for those who launch 'behind the hand' whispering campaigns, and look at such blame games comments more than prevalent on this Board taken directly from the Tory hand book.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 12:25:10 PM
Ok CB in your humble half brain opinion who should be looking after the affairs of Antrim and what are your realistic ideas for Antrim’s future... oh and how that would be achieved ..

Don’t shy away from it please
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 26, 2017, 01:21:16 PM
Ok CB in your humble half brain opinion who should be looking after the affairs of Antrim and what are your realistic ideas for Antrim’s future... oh and how that would be achieved ..

Don’t shy away from it please

Have no idea .....but would look to individuals who have a proven record within the confines of a club which has at least ascended to a county senior title, and they had a role therein.

Perhaps like yourself when you come to terms with the fact you are not destined to ref a senior decider, and you make strides to mind your manners.

Have a close look at the credentials of those presently in occupancy and consider.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
Ok CB in your humble half brain opinion who should be looking after the affairs of Antrim and what are your realistic ideas for Antrim’s future... oh and how that would be achieved ..

Don’t shy away from it please

Have no idea .....but would look to individuals who have a proven record within the confines of a club which has at least ascended to a county senior title, and they had a role therein.

Perhaps like yourself when you come to terms with the fact you are not destined to ref a senior decider, and you make strides to mind your manners.

Have a close look at the credentials of those presently in occupancy and consider.

So you’ve no problem giving off about ones putting effort in but offer nothing else, proper barfly!

I’ve no ambitions for ref’ing county finals, I’m not a brown nose ;) I’m happy doing what I can, putting something back, more than I can say for you
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 26, 2017, 05:22:19 PM
Touch a nerve MR2......?
Who ever suggested u were a "brown rose"?

Glad to see u do not claim ur ref fee and ex's....and ur nasty comments are completely without foundation.

U certainly do not know me or u would never question my utmost commitment to club and county.

Can really do without ur comments... :'(
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 26, 2017, 05:28:27 PM
Certainly no one questioning your committment to your club CB, but this is the Antrim way forward thread. Can you offer anything positive to this discussion.

For example, if you, (being within the confines of a club who won  county title...stupid criteria to even begin with) were county chairman what would your one main priority be that would make tangible improvement, and how can this be delivered and funded
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 06:01:00 PM
Touch a nerve MR2......?
Who ever suggested u were a "brown rose"?

Glad to see u do not claim ur ref fee and ex's....and ur nasty comments are completely without foundation.

U certainly do not know me or u would never question my utmost commitment to club and county.

Can really do without ur comments... :'(

I haven’t claimed them

No nerve touched (see smiley face)

I am taking the piss with you, if you don’t like it then go elsewhere, wind your neck in or stop slagging yourself

Hiding behind a computer means I can say you’ve done nothing as you can be anybody with an axe to grind, which seems to be your form, chip on both shoulders means you’re perfectly balanced...

You’ve yet to give an opinion which is positive

You’ve plenty of comments which I can claim would be nasty, but thus is a silly discussion forum and if you are taking it thick that’s not my problem, but spare me the hard done by shit
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 26, 2017, 06:12:39 PM
Certainly no one questioning your committment to your club CB, but this is the Antrim way forward thread. Can you offer anything positive to this discussion.

For example, if you, (being within the confines of a club who won  county title...stupid criteria to even begin with) were county chairman what would your one main priority be that would make tangible improvement, and how can this be delivered and funded
Aye right I am stupid BS....but forelock tugging is not a problem I have.
Have been about a while and seen more than a few "new dawns" and although I have no problems with those who hope to lead us onwards I do have problem with individuals like urself who would pour scorn on those who have done their utmost for our county in the past.
Many of those were and do remain my friends, and indeed I still vividly recall the especially nasty campaign which looked to unseat one of the most talented official Antrim ever had.
Do you remember.....?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 26, 2017, 07:05:00 PM
Remember it well. Democracy shone through in the end and will do so again. I know you CB and yes you are very interested in county affairs and officialdom which has been swimming against the tidefor decades. Surely you can see really good tangible progress?

And if so why the hell are you being so blatantly negative all the time?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: JimStynes on November 26, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
Some craic in here.
Pull the county teams out of all competitions and let everyone focus on their clubs, sure the county is a waste of time  ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 26, 2017, 10:04:34 PM
Remember it well. Democracy shone through in the end and will do so again. I know you CB and yes you are very interested in county affairs and officialdom which has been swimming against the tidefor decades. Surely you can see really good tangible progress?

And if so why the hell are you being so blatantly negative all the time?

Democracy....was that before or after the court cases which followed BS.....?
Certainly nothing close to democratic as my memory would recall were those events on an occasion which brought little credit to our county.

The unfettered canvassing which prevails at the moment pales into insignificance in comparison to the events of such convention on that occasion.

And as a matter of interest is canvassing within rule ?

And acknowledging the fact that you have insight BS is there a move afoot to terminate the existence of divisional boards ?

Negative...not a bit of me an Antrim man living on the Derry border with the Tyrone frontier a couple of miles up the road must be an eternal optimist or walk through Toome with a bag over my head.... 8).



Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 26, 2017, 11:13:30 PM
Nobody’s covered themselves in glory over the years on the Antrim county board, but there has to be stability... if we keep changing we’ll never get anything finished! People come with a five year plan, out the door in two! Doesn’t make sense
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 27, 2017, 08:40:14 AM
Be interested to see where the rules mention canvessing, or deem it illegal. Maybe you could post the relevancy text CB? Thanks.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 27, 2017, 11:01:32 AM
Unfettered canvassing! If that's pointed in my direction I need to emphasise once again, I'm totally neutral. I don't represent anybody but my own views. I'm not on the board, don't want to be on a board, never will be on the board. That's a promise.

But what I do represent is ONE opinion that we have by far the best ever "county management committee" that I have seen in over 30 years....speaking as an Antrim gael hoping that our generation can make some meaningful difference.

Just a few years ago things looked depressingly bleak. Half a dozen men got together and said let's do something about this. After two years I am extremely encouraged  with their progress and confident that if they can hang around for another few years Antrim will find itself finally in a strong position.

Most of the work going on is quiet and behind the scenes, but being done in a professional manner with the mutual respect of Ulster and Croke Park officialdom. Why would anyone even think about jeopardising this? Anything else would be like a turkey voting for Christmas.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bogieman on November 27, 2017, 11:00:51 PM
Unfettered canvassing! If that's pointed in my direction I need to emphasise once again, I'm totally neutral. I don't represent anybody but my own views. I'm not on the board, don't want to be on a board, never will be on the board. That's a promise.

But what I do represent is ONE opinion that we have by far the best ever "county management committee" that I have seen in over 30 years....speaking as an Antrim gael hoping that our generation can make some meaningful difference.

Just a few years ago things looked depressingly bleak. Half a dozen men got together and said let's do something about this. After two years I am extremely encouraged  with their progress and confident that if they can hang around for another few years Antrim will find itself finally in a strong position.

Most of the work going on is quiet and behind the scenes, but being done in a professional manner with the mutual respect of Ulster and Croke Park officialdom. Why would anyone even think about jeopardising this? Anything else would be like a turkey voting for Christmas.

The states voted for Trump.
We voted for Brexit.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: north_antrim_hound on November 28, 2017, 12:19:33 AM
Imm not that well informed on what the new CB have been up to since they took over but I think they are not in long enough to implement their objectives
Let’s afford them at least half the time the last bunch of monkeys got
Don’t think Antrim’s internal affairs will ever be transparent to the people on the ground whoever presides over us so a certain amount of mistrust is always a given

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 28, 2017, 08:47:10 AM
The CB is too Belfast centric in their objectives in my opinion ("The Belfast Plan" and "Lets build Casement" being the glaring examples), and this myopia makes it difficult to sell themselves to those of us who live "beyond the street lights" . A more joined up strategy that every area/club can buy into and see the logic in (from a whole county perspective) needs to be considered as the way we move forward collectively IMO.

After all the talk and PR .... I still don't believe Casement is a ground that will suit Antrim GAA at all. It'll be completely over-sized for Antrims needs. We NEED our own 'Parnell Park' to call home IMO and should've been planning that when ever the Ulster Council wanted to spend the free 70M.... pity that strategic perspective couldn't have been made prior to buying Dunsilly  :-\

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 28, 2017, 08:56:37 AM
From todays Irish News. Hopefully they will do a balanced article and interview those who are running against the current board.

With Antrim's county convention scheduled for Monday week, Saffron Vision county board members Collie Donnelly (chairman) and Terry Reilly (vice-chairman) face challenges for their positions. Brendan Crossan speaks to both men...

 

Brendan Crossan: You’ve been at the helm for two years. A criticism of the county board has been a lack of communication with the clubs…

Collie Donnelly [chairman]: I think the first thing that needs to be acknowledged is what we inherited wasn’t great. What people need to understand is it was like taking over a distressed business.

Six weeks into the job people on the executive committee had to put their hands in their pockets to pay salaries. Now, that’s not something you want to tell the world. So it was a very low base, no structures. No disrespect to what went before, but it was in poor shape.

 

BC: Was that not generally acknowledged by everybody?

Terry Reilly [vice-chairman]: It was far worse than you could imagine. It was very, very poor.

CD: When you’re trying to build or revive something we had to work out how we were going to do that. We tried to attract people.

Of course the first issue was finance, so we put together the Saffron Business Forum and I think people can see the success of that.

We have over 90 members that give £1,000 per year. Last year we had Bill Wolsey [Merchant Hotel owner and entrepreneur] for a breakfast morning.

We had the magnificent AP McCoy day – supported by over 500 people, and we had a terrific breakfast morning with Ciaran Barr. Within those rooms it was really encouraging to see the people who wanted to support Antrim from the corporate sector.

 

BC: When you became chairman you mentioned that Antrim’s sponsorship drives had to move beyond the generous contribution of the local chippies and Chinese takeaways. It seemed hand-to-mouth existence…

CD: That’s correct and those people were very good to Antrim. At that time every penny was a prisoner.

But if we’re going to move the project on we have to tap into the corporate sector and the Saffron Business Forum has managed to do that. They’ve done a power of work.

Our main sponsors have increased their sponsorship – Creagh Concrete and Northern Property. There’s more money for our championships too.

TR: And also the contribution from the Casement Park social club. They have raised £40k this year and £25k last year.

CD: So, from the financial side of things, we’re breathing new life into Antrim again.

 

BC: Relations with the Casement Park social club had broken down a few years back. What changed?

CD: We met people and I think we reached out to them. We convinced them that we seen the social club as part of Antrim GAA and an important element to our fundraising. And they have demonstrated that.

There is a good working relationship there and we see them as part of that going forward and being part of the new stadium.

TR: We were elected in the first week of December 2015 and on January 6 2016 the social club had their AGM. We attended that and we attended it on the basis that whatever went before we weren’t going to be critical of.

Going forward, we were going to try and repair the relationships with them.

We spelt out what we wanted to do and the important role of the social club in helping Antrim GAA. It was cagey at the start but Collie and I being west Belfast people, we understood a lot of the challenges; we knew a lot the personnel and the true Gaels in the social club.

That went a long way in them accepting us… They have been allies of Antrim GAA.

 

BC: Since taking charge two years ago would you do anything differently? The messages you hear is the lack of communication from the county board to the clubs…

CD: I think what we would do differently is concentrate on monthly newsletters and telling the public what we’re doing, through social media and using our website about the projects we’re involved in. But we haven’t done that particularly well.

 

BC: Would that quell dissent in the county?

CD: I think over the last few weeks we’ve been doing that. People have been saying to us: ‘We didn’t know the state we were in. We didn’t know the work that you were doing.’

So, we’ve learned from that. When we took it on, we were in the minus. At convention this year we will report a healthy turnaround.

 

BC: In some ways, Antrim GAA has been viewed as a bystander in the Casement Park project. How have you tried to involve Antrim Gaels in this process?

CD: We’ve been discussing different elements with the Ulster Council about the project. There were historical financial issues, which took a lot of time to sort out, and we reached a satisfactory conclusion to that just recently.

That took the best part of 18 months. There was Antrim’s status going forward and how Antrim will be fixed in this new world – and that is at the latter stages. Then, there was the social club.

 

BC: You say things are looking much brighter in Antrim. So why do you both face challenges at convention?

TR: We haven’t spelt this out. Our biggest strength is also our biggest weakness. We don’t throw flowers at ourselves and promote this.

But as convention will see, Antrim GAA is better off to the tune in excess of £200,000 per annum from private ventures that we have encouraged and attracted people to.

CD: In my experiences, when you’re in a position of leadership and making decisions, and when you’re trying to govern you can’t please everybody. We’ve tried to change structures, put governance in place, we’ve tried to change old habits – and that gets resistance.

We’re also involved in some delicate negotiations; very, very sensitive stuff, and you just can’t share that information with everyone. So there’s probably a little bit of: ‘Oh, they’re not sharing information with us.’ And I can understand that.

Some people think because they’re elected to a role they demand to know instead of concentrating on the role that they were elected to do. The reason why we’ve managed the progress is because of people like Terry and Pol Mac Cana because they have the skill sets to get the job done.

And that’s the only way Antrim will progress.

 

BC: Do you both feel deflated that there is a challenge to your positions so early in your roles?

TR: I feel it’s everybody’s democratic right under the processes we have for people to put themselves forward. I genuinely believe that.

But I feel let down that these people have not acknowledged where we are at.

The people that are running against us have been in office previously and they should understand the challenges and they should most certainly be in a better position than most to acknowledge the progress that we have overseen.

Now, you asked the question in relation to communication. There are very sensitive negotiations in and around Casement Park.

Now, I know James [McClean] in particular, who is running against Collie, felt outside of that loop.

But if you stop to think for a minute that if you share some of that information you are breaking people’s confidence… People sometimes don’t understand these sensitivities and it’s important that is contextualised.

 

BC: What was your feeling on facing a challenge for the chairmanship after two years?

CD: Everybody’s entitled to put their hand up, but my feeling would be - you’ve had your chance, you’ve done your time.

When we were elected we also reached out to some of those people. I can quote you an example of asking to be brought up to speed with the historical Casement Park stuff, with two senior people.

I drove from Dublin at 4pm to meet with two of these people at six o’clock before a management meeting at 7pm. And these two gentlemen walked in together at seven o’clock. So you think to yourself: ‘Why are you here? Are you really here to benefit Antrim?

TR: The people who are running now, if they would have come to us and said: ‘Lads, we see what you are doing, it’s very progressive for Antrim; it’s going to take us forward. We would like to inherit that and shadow you and come along with you.’

But I see it [the challenges] as trying to capitalise on the gains that we have made.

CD: The people who we have talked to said: ‘We will commit to Antrim but we need the right team in place.’

TR: For the Belfast Urban Plan, we had to have in place a Human Resources committee that would do the recruiting because the GAA would not commit huge funding [to Antrim]. We were able to get an employment law barrister, people from a business and legal backgrounds [on the committee].

Central Council sat down with us to see what we were doing and they said that we were way ahead of them. But we haven’t spread the good news.

 

BC: Did you realise how big the job was going to be?

CD: Because I come from a playing background the other [administration] stuff is just an extension of my job. It’s problem solving, it’s commerce… but you couldn’t do this job if you didn’t have support from Terry, Pol [Mac Cana, Treasurer] and the team because this is a million-pound business and it takes a bit of watching.

We’re running a business with no headquarters. People understate the fact that we’ve no home. We’re like nomads. The cost and the logistical work to run Antrim GAA are huge.

 

BC: Casement Park was closed much too early. Why was it closed?

CD: It was crazy. It must have been the worst decision in Antrim’s history. I have to say that. And in relation to the Casement Park project, if you were trying to do 10 things wrong they did them all.

 

BC: When do you see Casement Park being built?

CD: We are very hopeful that construction will start within the next year and we will be in Casement Park in 2020.

 

BC: What is the main obstacle?

CD: We’re hoping for planning at the end of the year and then there is a 90-day window for objections and hopefully this time the project board has been working on the safety elements. I’m quietly confident. We’re supporting everything for the stadium but at the same time Antrim GAA will have to be catered for.

 

BC: When is the £1.5m from Central Council for the Belfast Urban Plan going to be rolled out?

CD: We hope to be able to announce that at convention.

 

BC: How many coaches will this yield for Belfast?

CD: The top post is Urban Development manager and then there will be eight coaches in Belfast.

 

BC: How much of a difference do you think that will make?

CD: It’s a start. There is no quick fix. We are going to have sell Gaelic Games back into the primary schools. We now have additional resources and we have 4G facilities in Belfast that were funded by the council and the GAA.

The participation levels of Gaelic Games in Belfast are pretty low, so we’ve a big task ahead of us.

 

BC: If you both don’t get re-elected what’s the ramifications?

CD: I think it would be a backward step. We would still be Antrim men on Tuesday morning. We want Antrim to do well. We’re only on the project and we have a few things to finish off.

We are involved in Casement Park, the Belfast Urban Plan and the Saffron Business Forum. And there is also the Dunsilly project.

They handed us the keys… We were under pressure from the local council, so that was on our lap.

We managed to spend the best part of £60,000 to extend the car park to meet the planning [criteria]. We’ve also spent the best part of £25,000 to re-seed the pitches to bring them back to life. Floodlights are the next thing on our agenda at Dunsilly.

 

BC: You say all this: why are there contenders for your positions then?

TR: We inherited a lot… As far as our finances, you will see post-convention how healthy we are. Now, we haven’t been shouting that from the rooftops and that’s why people are challenging positions.

The other reason why we’re facing challenges is they see the kudos in the good work that’s being done.

I’m annoyed because I entered into this with people, Antrim Gaels, who had a bit about them, who had a bit of nous. I was asked to go along on this journey.

The people that are running for positions, I would like to know if they are willing to sacrifice half of their work lives every week – night and day…

I know the guys that are running for position can’t give the same sacrifice. If they were to succeed [at convention] – which I don’t think they will once the clubs know Antrim’s [financial] position – Antrim would be set back.

CD: They call us the Saffron Vision. I can see a new Casement Park, I can see Gaelic Games in Belfast improving and I can see our teams climbing the tables.

 

BC: In fairness to Gearoid Adams, he was aware of the perception that the hurlers were being treated better than the footballers. He didn’t agree with it and could’ve made capital out of it, but didn’t.

TR: Can I say, I wish we were in a better position to help them, financially. Our cash flow was always negative (it’s now positive) which meant we couldn’t afford things for Frank [Fitzsimons] and Gearoid. It was exactly the same with the hurlers.

We were coming from a very low base. Because there has been a massive turnaround doesn’t mean to say we’re making loads of money - it has been spent.

We are like pilots on a 747, pulling the plane out of a nosedive and the important bit about this is we need to level it out before it goes up. Our income is up massively. We have far better governance in the county.

We have a chartered accountant, making sure that everything is done correctly. Our good governance has been reciprocated by Croke Park.

 

BC: Could Frank Fiztsimons’ exit as senior football manager been handled better?

CD: In hindsight, we should have had more frank conversations with Frank.

The lads had asked for an extension [towards the end of the NFL] and we said we’d need to speak with county management.

TR: We decided we would carry out a review of our county football and our county hurling [teams]. We tasked two committees with carrying out reviews and they fed that information back to county committee.

The hurling review committee came back and recommended the group stays in situ. The Football review committee came back with their findings and recommended we go outside and look for somebody else.

Management committee ratified that position. Once that was the case, the following Monday I articulated that position to Frank and Gearoid.

BC: There was a deadline set August 13 for nominations and Frank was the only name that went forward…

TR: Our sub committee was tasked with going outside and finding nominations as well as seeking out interested parties.

The date for nominations closed on a specific date but they were tasked with seeking out people and if they weren’t satisfied they could go outside that.

That’s important to note that.

 
BC: But delegates were up in arms about how Frank’s position was dealt with?
CD: Frank’s father was and I can understand that. There were three or four people annoyed. When you make decisions like that, some people will be annoyed.
TR: I would like to acknowledge the work that Frank and Gearoid did in bringing a lot of the young players through because they put in a power of work.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 28, 2017, 10:29:48 AM
Good piece.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 28, 2017, 10:50:10 AM
You would say that  ;)

Not bad I guess.. progress being made ... but its not making me think any different in regard there being a geographical skew that will limit their ability to carry the whole of the county with them in their endeavors.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 28, 2017, 11:46:30 AM
You would say that  ;)

Not bad I guess.. progress being made ... but its not making me think any different in regard there being a geographical skew that will limit their ability to carry the whole of the county with them in their endeavors.

U have hit the nail on the head methinks and despite the huge PR being employed I cannot detect any semblance of feel good in our beleaguered county.

That insult aimed at Frank Fitzsimmons in the latter stage of the 'interview' when suggestion was made that only his father and a few others cared was nothing short of despicable.

Have never seen a vice-chairman having such input afforded prior to Convention before....and indeed hasn't this individual sat on the CB for years...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 28, 2017, 11:49:48 AM
The Vice Chair? No, he wasn't on CB before 2015 convention.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 28, 2017, 11:57:02 AM
The Vice Chair? No, he wasn't on CB before 2015 convention.

Meant Co Comm and sub committed.....
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on November 28, 2017, 12:05:47 PM
Good piece.
Very good piece but seems that is has taken a challenge to CB positions for us Antrim gaels to get any information on the progress the county is making. The culture of secrecy about finances turns people off and while of course we don't need to know people's salaries etc hearing the broad numbers of our finances is really encouraging to hear - end secrecy now!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 28, 2017, 12:26:34 PM
The Vice Chair? No, he wasn't on CB before 2015 convention.

Meant Co Comm and sub committed.....

He sat on disciplinary committees before.

Whoever is in charge of the media campaign deserves a pat on the back.

Suprised they've not stolen Trumps slogan, "MAGA". Make Antrim great again. 

Getting away from the politics of it, has anybody saw a list of motions yet? Potential league changes?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: north_antrim_hound on November 28, 2017, 12:29:16 PM
The Vice Chair? No, he wasn't on CB before 2015 convention.

Meant Co Comm and sub committed.....

He sat on disciplinary committees before.

Whoever is in charge of the media campaign deserves a pat on the back.

Suprised they've not stolen Trumps slogan, "MAGA". Make Antrim great again. 

Getting away from the politics of it, has anybody saw a list of motions yet? Potential league changes?

Surely your club delegate has all that info
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 28, 2017, 12:48:05 PM
The Vice Chair? No, he wasn't on CB before 2015 convention.

Meant Co Comm and sub committed.....

He sat on disciplinary committees before.

Whoever is in charge of the media campaign deserves a pat on the back.

Suprised they've not stolen Trumps slogan, "MAGA". Make Antrim great again. 

Getting away from the politics of it, has anybody saw a list of motions yet? Potential league changes?

Surely your club delegate has all that info

Likely has info and?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 28, 2017, 01:41:22 PM
Haven't seen them yet tbh PJ. Must be due out soon.

Good read in today's IN. Highlights just how precarious the situation was when they took over. No exaggeration to say Antrim GAA was on its knees. What has been done in two short years has been nothing short of excellent.

The finances are returned in surplus, Dunsilly project further developed, business community on board, credibility established at provincial and at Croke Park, a Belfast regeneration programme, Casement Park social club fulfilling its potential, a chartered accountant as our treasurer, and Casement Park project going through the processes.

Now that SV has put their foundation in place the next few years should see even further progress, which hopefully will include improved structures in coaching and games development amongst others.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2017, 02:14:41 PM
Haven't seen them yet tbh PJ. Must be due out soon.

Good read in today's IN. Highlights just how precarious the situation was when they took over. No exaggeration to say Antrim GAA was on its knees. What has been done in two short years has been nothing short of excellent.

The finances are returned in surplus, Dunsilly project further developed, business community on board, credibility established at provincial and at Croke Park, a Belfast regeneration programme, Casement Park social club fulfilling its potential, a chartered accountant as our treasurer, and Casement Park project going through the processes.

Now that SV has put their foundation in place the next few years should see even further progress, which hopefully will include improved structures in coaching and games development amongst others.

Should they get back in  ;)

with all the negative PR coming from the usual suspects I'd be surprised they get one vote... :-X
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 28, 2017, 02:45:06 PM
Haven't seen them yet tbh PJ. Must be due out soon.

Good read in today's IN. Highlights just how precarious the situation was when they took over. No exaggeration to say Antrim GAA was on its knees. What has been done in two short years has been nothing short of excellent.

The finances are returned in surplus, Dunsilly project further developed, business community on board, credibility established at provincial and at Croke Park, a Belfast regeneration programme, Casement Park social club fulfilling its potential, a chartered accountant as our treasurer, and Casement Park project going through the processes.

Now that SV has put their foundation in place the next few years should see even further progress, which hopefully will include improved structures in coaching and games development amongst others.

Should they get back in  ;)

with all the negative PR coming from the usual suspects I'd be surprised they get one vote... :-X

For every positive there must be a negative mate..

Just aswell as the positive PR is into overload at this stage, must be a few worried folk in the SV.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 28, 2017, 02:45:58 PM
Just on "The Dunsilly project" ...... anyone else thing its all a bit half baked of an idea. A decent attempt but the wrong location with restricted space, with no focus on making sure the facility is capable on handling our weather. What we have are well fenced but poorly maintained pitches which don't drain well and now we want to put floodlights on them? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: aontroim on November 28, 2017, 03:02:26 PM
MOTIONS
1.
O’Donnell’s GAC would like to make an amendment to the County Bye-law 19.1.C from
 
A player who has played with a club at any grade from under 12 to under 18 (minor) grades in Championship or League may only transfer to another club if the player’s family residence has changed to the catchment area of the club he wishes to be transferred to.

To Read
A player who has played with a club at any grade from under 12 to under 16 grades in Championship or League may only transfer to another club if the player’s family residence has changed to the catchment area of the club he wishes to be transferred to.

2.
O’Donnell’s would like to add the following to Bye Law 19.2

Any player returning to their club after having had a playing permission the previous year cannot seek a transfer for the coming year provided their parent club is fielding a team at the respective age group in which the payer is eligible to play.

3.
To grant CCC unilateral power to rearrange fixtures where a previously
unforeseen clash of league and championship fixtures across codes would
otherwise lead to one or more teams being treated unfairly.

4.
That the All County Minor (or Under 17 if applicable) football league revert back to the divisional boards.

5.
St Brigids GAC wish to replace the current Ulster GAA bye-law relating to the provincial Club Hurling Championships to read as follows:

To participate in the Ulster Hurling Club Championship at any level (with the current exception of Lisbellaw). A club must have taken part in a club championship within their own County in the competition year.
A Club that has previously won an Intermediate or Junior Championship shall not participate for one year at the grade after their previous win.
A county board must apply to Comhairle Uladh for regrading if necessary.


RECOMMENDATIONS

Not worth the paper they are written on.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 28, 2017, 03:09:36 PM
MOTIONS
1.
O’Donnell’s GAC would like to make an amendment to the County Bye-law 19.1.C from
 
A player who has played with a club at any grade from under 12 to under 18 (minor) grades in Championship or League may only transfer to another club if the player’s family residence has changed to the catchment area of the club he wishes to be transferred to.

To Read
A player who has played with a club at any grade from under 12 to under 16 grades in Championship or League may only transfer to another club if the player’s family residence has changed to the catchment area of the club he wishes to be transferred to.

2.
O’Donnell’s would like to add the following to Bye Law 19.2

Any player returning to their club after having had a playing permission the previous year cannot seek a transfer for the coming year provided their parent club is fielding a team at the respective age group in which the payer is eligible to play.

3.
To grant CCC unilateral power to rearrange fixtures where a previously
unforeseen clash of league and championship fixtures across codes would
otherwise lead to one or more teams being treated unfairly.

4.
That the All County Minor (or Under 17 if applicable) football league revert back to the divisional boards.

5.
St Brigids GAC wish to replace the current Ulster GAA bye-law relating to the provincial Club Hurling Championships to read as follows:

To participate in the Ulster Hurling Club Championship at any level (with the current exception of Lisbellaw). A club must have taken part in a club championship within their own County in the competition year.
A Club that has previously won an Intermediate or Junior Championship shall not participate for one year at the grade after their previous win.
A county board must apply to Comhairle Uladh for regrading if necessary.


RECOMMENDATIONS

Not worth the paper they are written on.

What were the recommendations?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 28, 2017, 03:52:12 PM
 Must be a few from outside the County seeking posts on the CB as ClubAontroma are tweeting/canvassing for no change.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 28, 2017, 04:01:21 PM
Must be a few from outside the County seeking posts on the CB as ClubAontroma are tweeting/canvassing for no change.

What does this mean? Don't understand.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 28, 2017, 04:17:27 PM
Must be a few from outside the County seeking posts on the CB as ClubAontroma are tweeting/canvassing for no change.

What does this mean? Don't understand.
[/quote

Think about it ClubA were obviously biased in the tweet....as that body is representative of everybody in Antrim not only those in high places....NO?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: aontroim on November 28, 2017, 04:43:09 PM
RECOMMENDATIONS

1

That the incoming CCC consider duals clubs with County players on Hurling/ Football panels when fixing club games in the opposing code. A degree of flexi ability is shown to club’s who have players playing with the County on the same day as club league games have been fixed and allow time change/ date change of club games were possible.

2

That, given the overwhelming majority of players are in favour of change, in the 2018 season the CCC initiate a pilot scheme to move 3-6 Adult league fixture rounds from a Sunday to a Friday evening.


Because they are only recommendations, there is no onus to implements any of them even if passed.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 28, 2017, 05:30:54 PM
Must be a few from outside the County seeking posts on the CB as ClubAontroma are tweeting/canvassing for no change.

What does this mean? Don't understand.
[/quote

Think about it ClubA were obviously biased in the tweet....as that body is representative of everybody in Antrim not only those in high places....NO?

CA is representative of those who have become members down the years and of the executive committee of that body.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
RECOMMENDATIONS

1

That the incoming CCC consider duals clubs with County players on Hurling/ Football panels when fixing club games in the opposing code. A degree of flexi ability is shown to club’s who have players playing with the County on the same day as club league games have been fixed and allow time change/ date change of club games were possible.

2

That, given the overwhelming majority of players are in favour of change, in the 2018 season the CCC initiate a pilot scheme to move 3-6 Adult league fixture rounds from a Sunday to a Friday evening.


Because they are only recommendations, there is no onus to implements any of them even if passed.

Friday night senior games is a good idea, keeps me off the beers till after nine
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 28, 2017, 05:47:43 PM
And keep players on the beers til Sunday evening
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2017, 07:37:59 PM
And keep players on the beers til Sunday evening

Not professional so no harm  ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on November 28, 2017, 08:57:13 PM
The lower set bar would suit you  ;)

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2017, 09:08:14 PM
The lower set bar would suit you  ;)

 :o
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 28, 2017, 10:41:22 PM
Think the challenger for the hot seat will step forward into the spotlight maybe tomorrow...

Heard he had been given some sound advice at the recent under-21 final....let's see ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2017, 10:54:46 PM
Cargin hot seat?

Another Crossan in depth interview, should be a cracker, hope someone puts it up on the board
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Galer on November 28, 2017, 11:52:03 PM
What would mclean bring to the table.is he any better than whats there? Must admit i know very little about the man
I
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 29, 2017, 07:35:48 AM
Cargin hot seat?

Another Crossan in depth interview, should be a cracker, hope someone puts it up on the board
[/quote

Or buy the paper??

Nothing about Antrim convention in it anyway
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2017, 07:39:24 AM
Cargin hot seat?

Another Crossan in depth interview, should be a cracker, hope someone puts it up on the board
[/quote

Or buy the paper??

Nothing about Antrim convention in it anyway

Haven’t bought a paper in years!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 29, 2017, 08:13:47 AM
Cargin hot seat?

Another Crossan in depth interview, should be a cracker, hope someone puts it up on the board
[/quote

Or buy the paper??

Nothing about Antrim convention in it anyway

Haven’t bought a paper in years!
Cargin hot seat already occupied I hear and am really sorry to learn of your literacy problem MR2...... :)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 29, 2017, 08:47:13 AM
Cargin hot seat?

Another Crossan in depth interview, should be a cracker, hope someone puts it up on the board
[/quote

Or buy the paper??

Nothing about Antrim convention in it anyway

You miss the deadline to submit the article?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Minder on November 29, 2017, 08:51:18 AM
Can you work out how to use the quote function?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on November 29, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
Can you work out how to use the quote function?

I  thought I had done! Sorry horse!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 29, 2017, 09:07:36 AM
What would mclean bring to the table.is he any better than whats there? Must admit i know very little about the man
I

Very good referee back in the day, seems a nice fella, I'm sure he's been involved with various committees within Dunloy over the years and could well bring something else to the CB, timing for me is just not right, i think CB's should have a 5 year turnaround anyways as people become stale in a job, regardless of your passion, its hard to keep motivated all the time when you're being sniped at
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 30, 2017, 05:09:16 AM
Just read the IN piece with Jim. No doubt a well intentioned Gael who has given more to our Association than plenty have. However it’s an empty move. There is no substance behind his challenge. It’s a pity he and Columb are standing. No doubt the incumbents will be returned.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 30, 2017, 06:21:00 AM
No one is disputing Jim's dedication to the Gaa, but I think his timing is all wrong for his challenge. Read the article, and whilst he is fully entitled to the profile as part of balanced journalism there are a few paragraphs I struggle with as it's at odds with my own research/info.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 30, 2017, 07:24:05 AM
And facts

In my opinion.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 30, 2017, 03:02:03 PM
Despite what the "cheerleaders" say I do think James McLean's interview in today's IN was hugely impressive.
He has a most impressive CV more than well equipped for the post and I struggle to find any fault.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 30, 2017, 04:23:27 PM
'hugely impressive.'

Good man.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2017, 04:31:37 PM
Despite what the "cheerleaders" say I do think James McLean's interview in today's IN was hugely impressive.
He has a most impressive CV more than well equipped for the post and I struggle to find any fault.

Link?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on November 30, 2017, 04:34:50 PM
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2017/11/30/news/mclean-standing-for-antrim-chair-because-clubs-are-unhappy--1199916/
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 30, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
Got a few issues with some of that tbh.

1. Starting with Dunloy my information is that JML had minimal input (If any at all) to the planning fundraising or indeed delivery of the academy.

2. The Saffron Business Forum was set up AFTER Saffron Vision came to power. Certain of that.

3. The delivery for Belfast plan. Yes I don't dispute there was initial contact made by FQ and Dr Eugene, but.....was only commissioned after an in depth report was sanctioned by new SV sub committee set up by CD. Apparently HQ welcomed the fresh and business like approach.

4. Is Jim not a member of County committee and indeed did he not sit on sub committee when Casement was closed...which begs the question, was this to do with playing our games...or was it to do with closing the Social Club which ended in court costing Antrim GAA a fortune!!

5. Finally, would the question not arise as to what deal did Jim co preside over as a part of the committee that agreed with Ulster council and the late Danny Murphy a set of terms and conditions totally not acceptable to Antrim gaels. - not even an office in the new Casement Park.

I've got a few other queries arising from that article, and whilst I'm not trying to play the man but I think people need to drill into the detail of this article before taking anything here as granted!!

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2017, 06:02:10 PM
All good stuff but what problems have the clubs had lately with games? Bar the div 3/4 hurling league I thought at senior level all games were played, the issue will be at juvenile level and personally I think that’s down to time of year, if leagues were played off before or just after Easter we’d have the vast majority completed and lads can concentrate on their exams or xboxes after that!

What problem has there been with referees?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 30, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
Got a few issues with some of that tbh.

1. Starting with Dunloy my information is that JML had minimal input (If any at all) to the planning fundraising or indeed delivery of the academy.

2. The Saffron Business Forum was set up AFTER Saffron Vision came to power. Certain of that.

3. The delivery for Belfast plan. Yes I don't dispute there was initial contact made by FQ and Dr Eugene, but.....was only commissioned after an in depth report was sanctioned by new SV sub committee set up by CD. Apparently HQ welcomed the fresh and business like approach.

4. Is Jim not a member of County committee and indeed did he not sit on sub committee when Casement was closed...which begs the question, was this to do with playing our games...or was it to do with closing the Social Club which ended in court costing Antrim GAA a fortune!!

5. Finally, would the question not arise as to what deal did Jim co preside over as a part of the committee that agreed with Ulster council and the late Danny Murphy a set of terms and conditions totally not acceptable to Antrim gaels. - not even an office in the new Casement Park.

I've got a few other queries arising from that article, and whilst I'm not trying to play the man but I think people need to drill into the detail of this article before taking anything here as granted!!
Jeez BS that is rough in the extreme......u calling JML as one who is 'economical with the truth'....!
Hope ur reward is appropriate.

Certainly our Association 2018 is lurching violently towards the late 80s and u do remember.


Am sure your club will be suitably impressed....doubt if you are impressing many in SW or North...

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2017, 06:48:11 PM
Christ the night! This SW paranoia is getting out of hand..

Late 80’s was a fantastic period for Antrim clubs and county teams, hopefully you’re right CB
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 30, 2017, 07:08:59 PM
I'm not calling anybody anything CB...in fact I'm inviting you or anyone else to point out what part of what I have said is incorrect. If that happens I'll gladly acknowledge. Simple as that!

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 30, 2017, 07:33:53 PM
I'm not calling anybody anything CB...in fact I'm inviting you or anyone else to point out what part of what I have said is incorrect. If that happens I'll gladly acknowledge. Simple as that!
Will leave that to JML BS........am sure he will be in touch....
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 30, 2017, 08:33:13 PM
I've not the least problem with that. That being the case he can point out where I'm wrong, seeing that you can't dispute one word of what I said. Says it all really!

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Galer on November 30, 2017, 09:32:12 PM
Bs notice you didnt have any queries about cd and tr interview the previous day.u have well and truly nailed your colours to the sv project.usually the side you canvas for comes out the wrong side of it.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 30, 2017, 09:42:30 PM
Win some lose some Galer, that's life. The clubs will speak next Monday night and democracy will rule. May whatever is best for Antrim win through. I have no hidden agenda..as I said before just one voice on here, where stuff gets debated.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 30, 2017, 10:06:23 PM
Bs notice you didnt have any queries about cd and tr interview the previous day.u have well and truly nailed your colours to the sv project.usually the side you canvas for comes out the wrong side of it.

BS has indeed nailed his colours to the mast long time and indeed he has not always been on the right side....did he canvass against the selection of our current PRO....and was he wrong in that one.

However, the question in this instance just how influential has he been in the vigorous and less than dignified canvassing.

Has he managed to bring many alongside ....?

We will see ?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Galer on November 30, 2017, 10:22:43 PM
Bs you may be right on current set up,but like most of us on here you also know that the 2 lads in current power can have particular agendas (yes i know they have done a lot in the last 2 years).also jmcl gave a far most honest interview
I dont know much about jmcl as i have previously stated on here but he is right that there has yo be more transparency on what they are about.my main concerns are that football will be a second best to hurling and that the sw doesnt matter.improving hurling in na and the city seems to be there main sporting goals
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 30, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Wrong again CB. I didn't canvass against Sean Kelly, I didn't even know him and what a fantastic PRO he has turned out. I made it known I was pro SV and supported their bid in its entirety. You can try to mislead people I was anti Sean Kelly if you want but people can see right through that. Your deliberately playing me now instead of the subject, that's obvious, but if you want to go down that road....fair enough!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on November 30, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
Galer, maybe the 2 lads you mention do have certain agendas, but if I don't like them make no doubt about it I will come straight out and say it. I'm a free agent, always will be.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Galer on November 30, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
Sorry bs wasnt trying to be a spark for cb to jump on you but like yourself its pretty clear who he is supporting,just trying to get balance on debate.
These guys may be the right men on the short term (2 more years),but the way they have dealt with football matters so far have been shocking
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on November 30, 2017, 10:50:44 PM
Wrong again CB. I didn't canvass against Sean Kelly, I didn't even know him and what a fantastic PRO he has turned out. I made it known I was pro SV and supported their bid in its entirety. You can try to mislead people I was anti Sean Kelly if you want but people can see right through that. Your deliberately playing me now instead of the subject, that's obvious, but if you want to go down that road....fair enough!

Have a look at page 1 on this site BS......forgetful or economical with the truth.....?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2017, 10:58:32 PM
Sorry bs wasnt trying to be a spark for cb to jump on you but like yourself its pretty clear who he is supporting,just trying to get balance on debate.
These guys may be the right men on the short term (2 more years),but the way they have dealt with football matters so far have been shocking

So what have they done to ruin football? Two new finalist for the first time years, City teams coming from the doldrums to win all the titles (huge achievement considering) are you blaming the county board for producing what has been going on for long before they came on board?

As for Jmcl if he comes on board it be great to have a hurling man at the helm again
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Galer on November 30, 2017, 11:08:11 PM
Good man mr2.cant see how county board have impacted the last 2 county finals? Unless your telling me that the previous cb had a hand in st galls being so successful?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 30, 2017, 11:11:18 PM
Good man mr2.cant see how county board have impacted the last 2 county finals? Unless your telling me that the previous cb had a hand in st galls being so successful?

Oh did they pick the winners? There was me thinking that St Johns and Gorts won both
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 01, 2017, 02:43:51 PM
You're still at it CB. But you haven't been able to correct one single point of my five point analysis yesterday! Still waiting (Yawns) but dont expect a response any time soon.

Instead you try to spin that I'm ANTI Sean Kelly....just because years ago I was advocating SV en masse. If thats how your mind works then Im not even going to try to explain it.

Can't deal with the subject matter, so play the man. Cheap stuff.


Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 02:56:17 PM
He'd never do that  ::)

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on December 01, 2017, 11:43:27 PM
You're still at it CB. But you haven't been able to correct one single point of my five point analysis yesterday! Still waiting (Yawns) but dont expect a response any time soon.

Instead you try to spin that I'm ANTI Sean Kelly....just because years ago I was advocating SV en masse. If thats how your mind works then Im not even going to try to explain it.

Can't deal with the subject matter, so play the man. Cheap stuff.
Just back BS.....sorry to keep you yawning but afraid u will have to wait for a time before I provide answer to your five point attempt to denigrate JMcL.
Have no reason to doubt him and would not think of doubting his word by research in his club or any other place.

I am quite sure nobody cares or considers my opinion for an instant.....or indeed your own is hardly up there in lights either.
Well ur wing man from Milltown will always jump in to guard your back...but not if he is in the middle at OCahan pk and the opposition is from the south of the county.

You gotta lighten up BS....think u need to get ready to shoulder the burden of disappointments in life..and sometimes take the Cargin route.... :)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 01, 2017, 11:56:24 PM
Hmmm, now I’m belfast biased when refereeing ? You truly are a dick and have no function other than a tired grumpy old man with axe to grind, with obvious chips on both shoulders of course... build a bridge and get over it.... to Derry ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Galer on December 02, 2017, 08:57:20 AM
Mr2 there is a bridge in toome u numpy
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 02, 2017, 09:28:22 AM
Mr2 there is a bridge in toome u numpy

MR2 doesn’t know where Toome is.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2017, 11:38:30 AM
Metaphorical speaking.. and besides Cargin did try and cross that bridge when they threw their toys out of the pram and the Derry lads said, nah, prefer a decent club  ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on December 02, 2017, 01:23:38 PM
Mr2 there is a bridge in toome u numpy

MR2 doesn’t know where Toome is.

And aren't the Toomies delighted........
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on December 02, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
I see a SW motion to bring minor football back to divisional boards - I see a lot of FTFs in the all county league this year - not a good sign...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 02, 2017, 02:30:21 PM
CB you go to lengths to create an impression that I am trying to "denigrate"JML. Let me correct that devious little spin!

JML is a fine Gael, with thousands of hours contributed, voluntarily, to the good of his club and the association in general.
He is a credible candidate for higher office, although I would greatly prefer that the current regime are given to further develop the good work they have started. To me, Jims challenge has credibility, but personally I don't like his timing. (Obviously you are right that it dosent really matter what you or I or anyone else here thinks).

However, in being offered a fair chance to outline his views and credentials in Wednesday's IN, I felt that some things were inaccurate (you can use whatever term you want) and this needed to be challenged. I said I would put my hand up and acknowledge if I got it any of my five points wrong.

To date I feel totally vindicated in that no one has contested my assertions, and in this instance, on this particular subject, your own silence is deafening.

Finally, good luck to ALL good gaels who are brave enough to allow their names to go forward. Their task is not an easy one.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 02, 2017, 02:54:04 PM
I see a SW motion to bring minor football back to divisional boards - I see a lot of FTFs in the all county league this year - not a good sign...

The all county leagues at minor are a shambles...has to go back to Div boards
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on December 02, 2017, 05:21:38 PM
I see a SW motion to bring minor football back to divisional boards - I see a lot of FTFs in the all county league this year - not a good sign...

The all county leagues at minor are a shambles...has to go back to Div boards

Think that will be the preferred option PJ........Far too many failure to fields last season.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2017, 05:33:01 PM
I see a SW motion to bring minor football back to divisional boards - I see a lot of FTFs in the all county league this year - not a good sign...

The all county leagues at minor are a shambles...has to go back to Div boards

That’s probably why the SW failed to win a championship
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on December 02, 2017, 06:09:59 PM
I see a SW motion to bring minor football back to divisional boards - I see a lot of FTFs in the all county league this year - not a good sign...

The all county leagues at minor are a shambles...has to go back to Div boards

Would prefer to see minor football staying all county. How many teams will feature in SA? Will be the same problem we had this year at U16, not enough teams, not enough games.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on December 02, 2017, 08:33:33 PM
I see a SW motion to bring minor football back to divisional boards - I see a lot of FTFs in the all county league this year - not a good sign...

The all county leagues at minor are a shambles...has to go back to Div boards

Would prefer to see minor football staying all county. How many teams will feature in SA? Will be the same problem we had this year at U16, not enough teams, not enough games.
If St Endas and Aldergrove were to complete in South Antrim there would be enough teams for a good south antrim minor league - they are not a million miles away and certainly in South Antrim if my geography is right!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 02, 2017, 09:06:44 PM
The  simplest way to fix it is clubs/management need to be honest with themselves first before entering teams, has to be based on numbers within that team and how they have fulfilled their previous season at the very least, whether the manager believes they are capable or not, they have to back it up with being able to field Home and away.. I’ve been at s few games this year when teams haven’t showed, not fair on anyone
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on December 02, 2017, 10:31:37 PM
That’s the answer but too many clubs weren’t honest with themselves this past season. Not fair on the kids. We will have 2 minor teams next year but my fear is they won’t get games.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on December 02, 2017, 10:53:49 PM
What age is minor next year?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: country bumpkin on December 03, 2017, 10:34:55 PM
So Joe Edwards makes return to the CB.....liven up the place :)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 04, 2017, 01:08:21 PM
Convention going to be dwarfed by brexit..  ;)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Two Hands FFS on December 04, 2017, 09:37:09 PM
Collie stays on
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 04, 2017, 09:44:18 PM
Collie stays on

Was it close? Hopefully this won’t deter Jim from continuing with his contributions with Antrim and Ulster... after a fiver year stint he could come and make a bid again
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Two Hands FFS on December 04, 2017, 09:53:27 PM
Collie stays on

Was it close? Hopefully this won’t deter Jim from continuing with his contributions with Antrim and Ulster... after a fiver year stint he could come and make a bid again
I don't know..Was following on Twitter. Terry Reilly back in too.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: aontroim on December 05, 2017, 08:29:28 AM
Neither vote was that close in the end despite the campaigning.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on December 05, 2017, 08:32:34 AM
The whole enterprise was ill advised and badly executed. Time to move on now. In fact last night’s vote has strengthened the mandate of the Saffron Vision incumbents so that’s a positive.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on December 05, 2017, 09:06:20 AM
i never really spoke about the debate here as it was a club man of our own but personally speaking i believe it was the wrong time for any challenge. The current executive has only just got in and has had to basically deal with a list of previous disasters and no money. they have only started to get on their feet thanks to the help of a lot of people and fingers crossed they will keep this going.

heres hoping for 2018 to be a positive one both on and off the park for Antrim
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on December 05, 2017, 10:10:50 AM
i never really spoke about the debate here as it was a club man of our own but personally speaking i believe it was the wrong time for any challenge. The current executive has only just got in and has had to basically deal with a list of previous disasters and no money. they have only started to get on their feet thanks to the help of a lot of people and fingers crossed they will keep this going.

heres hoping for 2018 to be a positive one both on and off the park for Antrim

I think we can all agree with that, even Country Bumpkin......
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 05, 2017, 10:51:30 AM
Result never in doubt. Saffron Vision returned by large majorities and starting to look very impressive. I spoke to a few convention "veterans" who agreed the outlook is very positive.

Pol Mc Canna stole the show though. His financial report was the main talking point. One man we simply cannot do without!

Tony Chivers coming out with a lot of credit too for the Saffron Business Forum which has its sights set on Dublin first, and then USA.

Upwards and Onwards and Aontroim Abu.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on December 05, 2017, 11:50:08 AM
theres been a lot of people in the background so to speak who have been pushing hard to make it work and without them we would be in the mire that we were before. The Saffron Business form is vital to our county and getting these people involved has been a massive positive for everyone.

I dont doubt mistakes were made, no set ups ever perfect, but its learning from them and moving on is what shapes you.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Galer on December 05, 2017, 01:19:18 PM
Did p gallachers motion pass?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 05, 2017, 01:36:21 PM
Did p gallachers motion pass?

Don’t think it was classed as a motion.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on December 05, 2017, 03:20:57 PM
It was a recommendation and was referred to first CCC meeting. Paddy presented exceptionally well but received mixed response. Hopefully a couple or 3 matches can be trialled on Friday nights.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on December 05, 2017, 04:02:35 PM
Friday night games are a superb idea but SW un12/14 and minor hurling is on a Friday night so work will be needed.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Dunloy realist on December 05, 2017, 07:02:16 PM
that will be a problem for games on a friday. the minor hurling games are fixed on a friday night as well. its a nice idea to try it out all the same
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: stiffler on December 05, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
that will be a problem for games on a friday. the minor hurling games are fixed on a friday night as well. its a nice idea to try it out all the same

I think the recommendation was for 3/4 Friday nights in a year. I’m sure this can be accommodated over the course of the year. The Friday fixtures could possibly swap with the Sunday football on them particular weeks.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Galer on December 05, 2017, 09:14:28 PM
For the players and supporters it is great even a sat evening would let players have a bit of a social life.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on December 23, 2017, 01:59:56 PM
For the players and supporters it is great even a sat evening would let players have a bit of a social life.
We were promised better communcation by the County Board a month ago but the first major issue since convention shows no evidence of this i.e. changing of underage age groups for 2018 -anyone know what if anything is compulsory from Croke or what individual counties can decide?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Exiled Ruairi on December 23, 2017, 03:57:30 PM
The county secretary mentioned in his address at convention that he hoped age groups would change in line with county age groups. He hoped this conversation would take place and be decided on in early January. So all club delegates would if heard or read that plus the convention booklets were out on Antrim gaa website to be downloaded. So info was put out so it shouldn't be a shock really
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on December 23, 2017, 06:23:32 PM
The county secretary mentioned in his address at convention that he hoped age groups would change in line with county age groups. He hoped this conversation would take place and be decided on in early January. So all club delegates would if heard or read that plus the convention booklets were out on Antrim gaa website to be downloaded. So info was put out so it shouldn't be a shock really
Any mentions have been very very general - so do you know what is compulsory from Croke Park for the club games and what individual counties have discretion over as regards underage age groups? To me u17 was to solve a county issue around leaving cert date clashes....
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: delgany on December 23, 2017, 08:36:36 PM
This is the proposal from COUNTY

A charide,

As you know the age groups for county teams are changing for 2018 . In light of those changes I’m proposing that Antrim falling in line with the new national ages;

 

I.e.

We move to u13 – u15 - u17 and for2018  with an under 19 league & championship

 

Then for 2019 u13 – u15 - u17 and for2019 an under 20 league & championship

 

Thereafter (2020 onwards) our ages group’s would be u13 – u15 - u17 and u20 (leagues & championships)

 

Can you respond by Friday 29th December (2.00pm) with your clubs opinion on this matter.

 

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on December 24, 2017, 01:24:08 AM
Proposal from Croke Park you mean.

This seriously important issue was completely ignored at the County AGM .... yet now we have this proposal .... and AFAICS its based solely on a need to line up with what Croke Park have done. WTF

Does the County have any clue (does any club have any clue) just how many U19 players will be available for the season ahead?
Does the County have any consideration for the possibility that several U19 players will be part of their senior panel?
Does the County understand that introducing an U19 competition will burden many U17 players (studying A levels) as they will be needed to fill out U19 panels?
Does the County give a flying fook other than towing the line with their masters?

What am I missing here? This makes zero sense to me.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on December 24, 2017, 01:57:40 PM
Proposal from Croke Park you mean.

This seriously important issue was completely ignored at the County AGM .... yet now we have this proposal .... and AFAICS its based solely on a need to line up with what Croke Park have done. WTF

Does the County have any clue (does any club have any clue) just how many U19 players will be available for the season ahead?
Does the County have any consideration for the possibility that several U19 players will be part of their senior panel?
Does the County understand that introducing an U19 competition will burden many U17 players (studying A levels) as they will be needed to fill out U19 panels?
Does the County give a flying fook other than towing the line with their masters?

What am I missing here? This makes zero sense to me.
there have been several posts since I started this debate and no-one can answer the question about what is mandatory and what the individual counties have discretion over - not a good starting point and I too have concerns that it will be harder to field u19 teams than u18 teams as some leave for university at 18/19 and some will see themselves as seniors and not want to play u19...........
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on December 24, 2017, 04:05:55 PM
Change will not suit everyone, this looks like something that is a benefit to the southern members.. a possible meeting with club delegates to see what’s best for Antrim would be the better outcome here
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on January 01, 2018, 09:03:24 PM
Change will not suit everyone, this looks like something that is a benefit to the southern members.. a possible meeting with club delegates to see what’s best for Antrim would be the better outcome here
Anyone know when there will be a decision this or when there will be a county u17 manager be in place? surely most teams start training early Jan..............
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: maxpower on January 02, 2018, 10:07:09 AM
I believe a decision is to made this week!

Far to many unanswered questions for anyone to make an informed decision!

1. What will be the cross over of players from u17 to u19
2. What happens to the u21 grade
3. Will feile be u13 or u14
4. Will u11 be outdoor (21 to 21) like last year u12 or go games like u10's
5. At what point are you consider an adult team?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on April 13, 2018, 08:15:30 PM
Successful launch of Gaelfast initiative today. Well done to everyone involved in delivering this to our county and surely we will see the benefit of this in the next generation. Clear evidence of the Saffron Vision working in real life.

For many years soccer has been a massive pull for youngsters in belfast and this is a great chance to promote our national sports to them in a professional way.

 
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Two Hands FFS on April 13, 2018, 08:37:52 PM
Antrim not spending it wisely would be my biggest fear.  Dublin were very well organised and had a great plan in place.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Minder on April 13, 2018, 08:44:50 PM
Antrim not spending it wisely would be my biggest fear.  Dublin were very well organised and had a great plan in place.

Usual suspects will be sniffing about I assume
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: BrendanAntrim on April 13, 2018, 11:49:45 PM
Antrim not spending it wisely would be my biggest fear.  Dublin were very well organised and had a great plan in place.

Good man. That’s the quickest cynical response I have read on this Forum, and there’s a fair bit of competition.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: theskull1 on April 14, 2018, 12:35:18 AM
Antrim not spending it wisely would be my biggest fear.  Dublin were very well organised and had a great plan in place.

Good man. That’s the quickest cynical response I have read on this Forum, and there’s a fair bit of competition.

Oh phulease Brendan!! ::)

Thats just spin and well you know it. No harm I believe in people holding concerns that money (if not properly used) may not get spent wisely. Keeps minds focused does it not?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Kidder81 on April 14, 2018, 12:42:41 AM
Be interesting to see how open and transparent the recruitment is, wouldn’t hold my breath
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: bannside on April 14, 2018, 06:49:21 AM
I'd have the opposite view. Most on the board would be familiar with best practice in running a business, especially in the field of HR and recruitment. Those are things you don't mess around with. Having said that the essential criteria looks steep. Hopefully we get the right person.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on April 14, 2018, 08:27:48 AM
Be interesting to see how open and transparent the recruitment is, wouldn’t hold my breath

Please do
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Two Hands FFS on April 14, 2018, 08:51:01 AM
Antrim not spending it wisely would be my biggest fear.  Dublin were very well organised and had a great plan in place.

Good man. That’s the quickest cynical response I have read on this Forum, and there’s a fair bit of competition.

Oh phulease Brendan!! ::)

Thats just spin and well you know it. No harm I believe in people holding concerns that money (if not properly used) may not get spent wisely. Keeps minds focused does it not?
People go on & on about Dublin GAA being given a fortune, which is true. But they had a plan in place which I’m sure we can all agree is a success. I’m happy Antrim got the money and fair play to Saffron Vision...but what happens from now on in is the key bit. Surely that’s common sense??
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gall the way on April 14, 2018, 10:35:30 AM
We can only hope the right plan is in place! From the pictures it looks like there are 4 “hubs” and 4 staff members. Is that it? 4 more people on the ground and this regeneration manager being paid mega bucks to manage them? (Hope I’m wrong)
Dublin’s plan had a hell of a lot more people involved in it, so this is nowhere near that level.
There has been no consultation to clubs; just a “letting us know what’s happening” session ONE night where that balloon Pat OHagan basically shushed any other recommendation/question. I’d have felt more comfortable seeing people from a sports development background involved, but from speaking to my own club members (who are staff) as well as other Antrim staff and from bodies such as Sport NI not one of them was consulted.

Now I seriously hope I’m wrong and this is the best thing that ever happens to Belfast, and in-turn, Antrim GAA, but i can’t help to feel like if we mess this up we don’t get another shot. Clubs need more transparency and involvement in this project, not being shushed off one night in Hannahstown. We need to demand it. After all it is us who vote these people into position so we should get somewhat of a say!
Ps I know this forum isn’t the way to do it, I’ve already contacted the appropriate people in my club.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on April 15, 2018, 05:48:56 PM
Fair to say we all hope this works for Belfast/Antrim
However £200k a year with £60k going to the overall manager leaves £140k a year. No doubt pitch hire and equipment will be required. This doesn't leave a lot for coaches does it?
While this is welcome it feels a bit like a Croke showing they are doing something as much as anything
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: johnnycool on July 13, 2018, 02:04:45 PM
Fair to say we all hope this works for Belfast/Antrim
However £200k a year with £60k going to the overall manager leaves £140k a year. No doubt pitch hire and equipment will be required. This doesn't leave a lot for coaches does it?
While this is welcome it feels a bit like a Croke showing they are doing something as much as anything

Did Paul Donnelly of St Pauls get this Regeneration managerial role?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on July 13, 2018, 03:50:59 PM
Fair to say we all hope this works for Belfast/Antrim
However £200k a year with £60k going to the overall manager leaves £140k a year. No doubt pitch hire and equipment will be required. This doesn't leave a lot for coaches does it?
While this is welcome it feels a bit like a Croke showing they are doing something as much as anything

Did Paul Donnelly of St Pauls get this Regeneration managerial role?
Yes indeed and good initial article in Irish News and has a really good CV.
I remember when Gaelfast was announced there was talk of a gauntlet being thrown down to the clubs and I'm glad he put that right in the article that there were no gauntlets to be thrown down to anyone but rather the clubs are to be supported. Looking forward to more of his plan in tomorrow's edition - Adh Mor Paul
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: johnnycool on July 13, 2018, 03:53:18 PM
Fair to say we all hope this works for Belfast/Antrim
However £200k a year with £60k going to the overall manager leaves £140k a year. No doubt pitch hire and equipment will be required. This doesn't leave a lot for coaches does it?
While this is welcome it feels a bit like a Croke showing they are doing something as much as anything

Did Paul Donnelly of St Pauls get this Regeneration managerial role?
Yes indeed and good initial article in Irish News and has a really good CV.
I remember when Gaelfast was announced there was talk of a gauntlet being thrown down to the clubs and I'm glad he put that right in the article that there were no gauntlets to be thrown down to anyone but rather the clubs are to be supported. Looking forward to more of his plan in tomorrow's edition - Adh Mor Paul

Good to see, nice lad.

Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on July 21, 2018, 10:46:19 PM
anyone else get cross when driving by Casement? Any word of a timeline for starting work? I fear not

While residents have rights what about the kids who are missing out on playing their games in a quality setting? Should we mobilise kids from each club to peacefully protest outside casement highlighting their right to play is being hampered and then up to Stormont to protest to the Civil servants up there?

The loss of Casement is not just about a county ground but a ground in which lots of kids matches have been played over the years

 >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on July 22, 2018, 08:49:24 AM
If it is a fruitless protest you want, you might consider having it at the door of those responsible for the clusterfuck. Market St, Armagh.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on July 22, 2018, 02:45:30 PM
If it is a fruitless protest you want, you might consider having it at the door of those responsible for the clusterfuck. Market St, Armagh.
Just accept casement is going nowhere then?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on July 22, 2018, 02:53:53 PM
If it is a fruitless protest you want, you might consider having it at the door of those responsible for the clusterfuck. Market St, Armagh.
Just accept casement is going nowhere then?
It might some day but there is absolutely nothing that you or I or any GAA member can do about it.
As I said though, why not protest about the balls Ulster GAA have made of it? Why do they get off so lightly in this?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on August 12, 2018, 08:35:28 PM
having watched Monaghan Tyrone I'm very envious of those counties and would love to be in croke one day cheering on the saffrons

Anyone any reasons to hope we will be? any greenshoots out there to get excited about?

Casement dormant / Gaelfast not yet started are both a decade away from from bearing fruit ::)
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Gold on August 12, 2018, 09:19:47 PM
having watched Monaghan Tyrone I'm very envious of those counties and would love to be in croke one day cheering on the saffrons

Anyone any reasons to hope we will be? any greenshoots out there to get excited about?

Casement dormant / Gaelfast not yet started are both a decade away from from bearing fruit ::)

Totally agree. We accept nothingness.
Not enough people care or support our County
I was at croker yesterday and am sick of looking on like an outsider...laughed at and pitied

Antrim, Waterford, Leitrim and Kilkenny are the only counties not to have played a championship match in Croker since the Qualifiers began. That statistic is a disgrace for us

So much hate and disrespect between our clubs...we need to unite or accept nothingness forever. Why should any man from any other county be fitter/faster/stronger/more skilful. Why not us?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Spike on August 13, 2018, 12:46:12 PM
We in Antrim think like amateurs, appoint managers like amateurs, train like amateurs, invest like amateurs, play tactics like amateurs and have the mental strength of amateurs.

Despite that it is supposed to be an amateur sport, every other county with a modicum of success/progress, treats the county setup as if its a professional sport.

We are behind the curve
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on August 13, 2018, 05:57:16 PM
I believe the Saffron vision county board have upped the professional levels especially with the business forum but we have been so far behind for so long that we need lots of initiatives and support. I know of 2 Belfast clubs who can't get any Stormont or Croke Park funds to assist with 2nd pitches. Surely Croke Park needs to contribute to clubs with plans to develop facilities which will utimatley be owned by the GAA anyway?

We need stormont support and Croke support way and above Gaelfast £200k a year! Still a free state attitude in Croke towards the North imo with lip service the order of the day
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: johnnycool on August 14, 2018, 09:25:47 AM
I believe the Saffron vision county board have upped the professional levels especially with the business forum but we have been so far behind for so long that we need lots of initiatives and support. I know of 2 Belfast clubs who can't get any Stormont or Croke Park funds to assist with 2nd pitches. Surely Croke Park needs to contribute to clubs with plans to develop facilities which will utimatley be owned by the GAA anyway?

We need stormont support and Croke support way and above Gaelfast £200k a year! Still a free state attitude in Croke towards the North imo with lip service the order of the day

You'll not get a brass farthing out of Croke Park or the Ulster Council in Armagh for large projects like that. Trust me we've tried.
You'll get a few bob towards spiking a pitch, end off.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Saffronista on August 14, 2018, 09:43:50 AM
Casement Park looking like it will never happen, for curiosity how much would it be worth on the property market?

Take the money and find some ground and build our own stadium!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Spike on August 15, 2018, 01:32:50 PM
Cant see the local politicos letting that happen - an eyesore is one thing, losing it altogether is another!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on August 16, 2018, 08:27:30 PM
When do we cut our losses on Casement and look to build a new county ground? Our county teams are struggling enough without being perpetual nomads too
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: paddyjohn on August 16, 2018, 09:20:33 PM
Where do we put our new county ground? If only we had somewhere near major roads that could double as county pitch and training facility!
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Milltown Row2 on August 16, 2018, 09:54:15 PM
Major road, M1 tick...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on August 16, 2018, 10:03:52 PM
I imagine that we aren’t currently able to sell our county ground in order to fund this new development but carry on...
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: johnnycool on August 17, 2018, 08:38:53 AM
I imagine that we aren’t currently able to sell our county ground in order to fund this new development but carry on...

Thought you give that ground to the Ulster Council for less than a brass farthing?
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: hardstation on August 17, 2018, 08:47:25 AM
I imagine that we aren’t currently able to sell our county ground in order to fund this new development but carry on...

Thought you give that ground to the Ulster Council for less than a brass farthing?
That’s the plan alright. I’m not sure where the ownership lies currently.
However, there is a £70m development planned for the site so if Ulster GAA don’t currently own it, I’d be fairly certain it is under contract.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Antrim Coaster on August 17, 2018, 09:04:03 AM
I think the Antrim County Board did come under pressure from the Ulster Council to hand / sell Casement Park to Ulster. This was refused and will not happen.

The whole debacle around Casement Park is the doing of the Ulster Council because the funding package stated that the Provincial Council manage the project.

The Ulster Council have made a complete and total hames of this, leaving Antrim without a county ground.
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: cfclg on August 17, 2018, 09:13:06 AM
The state of Casement is reflective of the current mood in our county as a whole, both on the pitch and off it. I hate to be glass half empty but when you see other counties leap frogging us and making great strides at both underage and senior it brings it all home. On the field, we are most definitely a county in decline (in both codes).

It may only be bricks and mortar but it is very important to have somewhere to call home. I'm not fussy, I don't care if it has a fancy stand, excellent catering facilities etc etc. Just give us a base, somewhere that we can all go to, to support all our county teams and indeed the cream of our club teams. Please  :-[
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Belfast GAA man on August 17, 2018, 05:05:30 PM
I think the Antrim County Board did come under pressure from the Ulster Council to hand / sell Casement Park to Ulster. This was refused and will not happen.

The whole debacle around Casement Park is the doing of the Ulster Council because the funding package stated that the Provincial Council manage the project.

The Ulster Council have made a complete and total hames of this, leaving Antrim without a county ground.
If this was any other walk of life Antrim would be due compensation from Ulster Council! >:(
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: delgany on August 18, 2018, 12:53:28 PM
Saffron Vision stepping down !
Title: Re: Antrim, the way forward
Post by: Clover on August 18, 2018, 05:20:01 PM
Don’t panic I’m sure bannside has it covered