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Title: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 05:28:16 PM
Time for the lines to be drawn. It's going to be either Dublin North and Dublin South or maybe Dublin Fingal, Dublin South and Dublin Dun Laoighaire Rathdown.
Bertie and co granted Dublin 7 million euros, the plan was for Dublin to dominate All Irelands in hurling and football. 2 in 3 years in football and the first real Leinster title in hurling shows that the plan is working well, not as well as it should but working well non the less.
They have over 1 million people, all the best facilities in the country, all the best coaches available, play every game at home, the best set up in schools and underage because of money. It's not what the GAA is all about. It's meant to be teams playing against eachother on an equal footing.
It's an ameteur game, how much are Dublin spending on that management team and backroom staff? They can even afford to pay Bernard Dunne to hang around for the banter with players.

Lets hope the GAA stop looking after their pockets and bring fair play back to inter county football. Split Dublin into 2 or 3 and start dividing resources fairly, also introduce caps on money spent on inter county teams.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 22, 2013, 05:33:44 PM
And how do you propose to split Kilkenny?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BennyCake on September 22, 2013, 05:35:25 PM
Everyone kept going on about how great it was that Dublin hurling was doing so well. It's not surprising with the money that's been spent there. How about ploughing in the same money to Antrim hurling? Or Carlow, Roscommon, Louth, Armagh, Donegal etc etc?

I don't agree with a Dublin split but every county should get the same level of funding/resources.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
And how do you propose to split Kilkenny?

When did Kilkenny get 7 million? Are all the best training facilities in the country in Kilkenny? Do Kilkenny have over 1 million people? Do Kilkenny play every game at home? Can Kilkenny afford a World title winning boxer to be give lads a few hugs?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 22, 2013, 05:39:39 PM
Why Split them, come back to me when they win 10 all-Irelands in 15yrs or something, winning 2 in 3 hardly counts, Kilkenny killing teams for yrs, nobody talks of splitting them!!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dirk Diggler on September 22, 2013, 05:39:50 PM
Money has been thrown at Dublin ,and Dublin hurling in particular, from public funds but we are not supposed to say anything about it. If you criticise it, you are called anti-hurling/anti-Dublin/anti-GAA. They have all the advantages as it stands, but even more is given to them to reinforce the advantages they already have.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 05:40:49 PM
Why Split them, come back to me when they win 10 all-Irelands in 15yrs or something, winning 2 in 3 hardly counts, Kilkenny killing teams for yrs, nobody talks of splitting them!!

When did Kilkenny get 7 million? Are all the best training facilities in the country in Kilkenny? Do Kilkenny have over 1 million people? Do Kilkenny play every game at home? Can Kilkenny afford a World title winning boxer to be give lads a few hugs?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 22, 2013, 05:42:02 PM
Wouldnt even be having this discussion if Mayo had brought a full forward line with them the day
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: DUBSFORSAM1 on September 22, 2013, 05:42:56 PM
How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 05:45:16 PM
Wouldnt even be having this discussion if Mayo had brought a full forward line with them the day

I've been saying it for years. It's embarrassing for Dublin that they've only won 2 All Irelands with the amount of resources they have.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: SouthDublinBro on September 22, 2013, 05:46:21 PM
How much do the Kilkenny county board spend on the footballers?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dirk Diggler on September 22, 2013, 05:46:29 PM
How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?

The money is going to Dublin GAA, it isn't being handed out to random culchies and foreigners on the street.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 05:47:27 PM
How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?

Every county has people not from there. How many clubs and GAA players do Dublin have?
7 million euro was given to Dublin by Bertie, a whole plan was set up by the GAA. No other county got this. It was and is unfair so to right the wrong the only thing to do is split Dublin and make Gaelic football and hurling a fair game once more.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 22, 2013, 05:48:42 PM
How much do the Kilkenny county board spend on the footballers?

This thread has nothing to do with Kilkenny. They were never given 7 million by discraced former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern. You want to discuss Kilkenny start another thread.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dirk Diggler on September 22, 2013, 05:50:02 PM
How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?

Every county has people not from there. How many clubs and GAA players do Dublin have?
7 million euro was given to Dublin by Bertie, a whole plan was set up by the GAA. No other county got this. It was and is unfair so to right the wrong the only thing to do is split Dublin and make Gaelic football and hurling a fair game once more.

They shouldn't be split, but either the Dubs should pay the money back or Bertie sc**bag Dub Ahern should be made pay it back out of his brown envelope money.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: J OGorman on September 22, 2013, 05:50:17 PM
Time for the lines to be drawn. It's going to be either Dublin North and Dublin South or maybe Dublin Fingal, Dublin South and Dublin Dun Laoighaire Rathdown.
Bertie and co granted Dublin 7 million euros, the plan was for Dublin to dominate All Irelands in hurling and football. 2 in 3 years in football and the first real Leinster title in hurling shows that the plan is working well, not as well as it should but working well non the less.
They have over 1 million people, all the best facilities in the country, all the best coaches available, play every game at home, the best set up in schools and underage because of money. It's not what the GAA is all about. It's meant to be teams playing against eachother on an equal footing.
It's an ameteur game, how much are Dublin spending on that management team and backroom staff? They can even afford to pay Bernard Dunne to hang around for the banter with players.

Lets hope the GAA stop looking after their pockets and bring fair play back to inter county football. Split Dublin into 2 or 3 and start dividing resources fairly, also introduce caps on money spent on inter county teams.

Must admit, chuckled at that bit
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rodman on September 22, 2013, 09:01:18 PM
Dublin Roll of Honour at All-Ireland level in the past 20 years

0 Senior Colleges football
1 vocational schools football
1 minor football
3 u-21 football
3 Senior Football

1 senior colleges hurling
0 vocational schools hurling
0 minor hurling
0 u-21 hurling
0 senior hurling

Hardly that impressive that warrants splitting the county. In fact, it's a pretty poor record. There is no chance of Dublin dominating anything no matter how much money is spent on them.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: northsideboy on September 22, 2013, 10:38:40 PM
Time for the lines to be drawn. It's going to be either Dublin North and Dublin South or maybe Dublin Fingal, Dublin South and Dublin Dun Laoighaire Rathdown.
Bertie and co granted Dublin 7 million euros, the plan was for Dublin to dominate All Irelands in hurling and football. 2 in 3 years in football and the first real Leinster title in hurling shows that the plan is working well, not as well as it should but working well non the less.
They have over 1 million people, all the best facilities in the country, all the best coaches available, play every game at home, the best set up in schools and underage because of money. It's not what the GAA is all about. It's meant to be teams playing against eachother on an equal footing.
It's an ameteur game, how much are Dublin spending on that management team and backroom staff? They can even afford to pay Bernard Dunne to hang around for the banter with players.

Lets hope the GAA stop looking after their pockets and bring fair play back to inter county football. Split Dublin into 2 or 3 and start dividing resources fairly, also introduce caps on money spent on inter county teams.

You are only a third rate wum. Hope you choke on all that bitterness ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: antoinse on September 22, 2013, 11:59:35 PM
This bullsh** starts up every time Dublin wins and it is really sad. There is no way there should be a spilt in Dublin. Let counties get up off their own asses and do the work that the clubs continue to do at underage club level.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 23, 2013, 12:19:11 AM
I've been saying this all along no matter if Dublin win or lose. Getting 7 million more than everybody else is not fair game. Whenever I bring it up it's strange that no one can debate the facts I bring up, they prefer to deal in personal abuse or completely ignore the topic.
This has nothing to do with Dublin winning the All Ireland today, receiving all the benefits they do is unfair, if Leitrim received the same benefits I would say the same.
Why shouldn't the All Ireland football and hurling titles be contested by teams on an equal footing? What have people got wrong with this situation?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 23, 2013, 12:22:57 AM
This bullsh** starts up every time Dublin wins and it is really sad. There is no way there should be a spilt in Dublin. Let counties get up off their own asses and do the work that the clubs continue to do at underage club level.

Give every county 7 million euro more than everyone else and see what happens.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BennyCake on September 23, 2013, 12:40:56 AM
I've been saying this all along no matter if Dublin win or lose. Getting 7 million more than everybody else is not fair game. Whenever I bring it up it's strange that no one can debate the facts I bring up, they prefer to deal in personal abuse or completely ignore the topic.
This has nothing to do with Dublin winning the All Ireland today, receiving all the benefits they do is unfair, if Leitrim received the same benefits I would say the same.
Why shouldn't the All Ireland football and hurling titles be contested by teams on an equal footing? What have people got wrong with this situation?

See post #21  ::)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 23, 2013, 01:51:53 AM
So we should split counties that have a lot of money but win hardly anything, but keep counties together when they're beating all round them?

Catch yourself on!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on September 23, 2013, 01:56:08 AM
So we should split counties that have a lot of money but win hardly anything, but keep counties together when they're beating all round them?

Catch yourself on!

Happy to entertain the notion of splitting counties once we're also considering amalgamating other less successful counties.  I look forward to North Dublin taking on Roscommon/Sligo/London, or Meath/Westmeath/Laois for example.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on September 23, 2013, 03:25:27 AM
Not to mention the fun Benny, Don't and  Dirk will have once we have the first North Vs South Dublin All Ireland Final...

Jaysis, it'd almost be worth splitting Dublin to read their apoplectic posts once that happens!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BennyCake on September 23, 2013, 03:32:10 AM
Not to mention the fun Benny, Don't and  Dirk will have once we have the first North Vs South Dublin All Ireland Final...

Jaysis, it'd almost be worth splitting Dublin to read their apoplectic posts once that happens!

If you care to read my earlier post again, you'll see I didn't say dublin should be split.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 23, 2013, 04:15:41 AM
So we should split counties that have a lot of money but win hardly anything, but keep counties together when they're beating all round them?

Catch yourself on!

Happy to entertain the notion of splitting counties once we're also considering amalgamating other less successful counties.  I look forward to North Dublin taking on Roscommon/Sligo/London, or Meath/Westmeath/Laois for example.

Oh the fans would love that. Such loyalty to the age-old kingdom of Roscommon/Sligo/London.  "Come on Roscommon/Sligo/London!"
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dirk Diggler on September 23, 2013, 05:05:23 AM
Have to say. The most modest captain. The most honest captain. The best captain (at least since 1990). A giant, one of the greatest footballers I have ever seen. He has revolututioinnised  football since he made his debut  He deserves every thing.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BennyCake on September 23, 2013, 12:57:43 PM
Have to say. The most modest captain. The most honest captain. The best captain (at least since 1990). A giant, one of the greatest footballers I have ever seen. He has revolututioinnised  football since he made his debut  He deserves every thing.

Aye, McGeeney was some player.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 24, 2013, 06:48:42 PM
When are the figures released for the amount spent on county teams for the year? Surely proper GAA men and women want fair funding for everybody?
Dublin should dominate football for the forseeable future and a hurling All Ireland is on the way. In fact it's an embarrassment to them that this hasn't already happened.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 24, 2013, 07:26:03 PM
When are the figures released for the amount spent on county teams for the year? Surely proper GAA men and women want fair funding for everybody?
Dublin should dominate football for the forseeable future and a hurling All Ireland is on the way. In fact it's an embarrassment to them that this hasn't already happened.
In the run up to congress.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 24, 2013, 07:40:34 PM
How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?

Every county has people not from there. How many clubs and GAA players do Dublin have?
7 million euro was given to Dublin by Bertie, a whole plan was set up by the GAA. No other county got this. It was and is unfair so to right the wrong the only thing to do is split Dublin and make Gaelic football and hurling a fair game once more.
time and again you claim Dublin got 7 million yet time and again you fail to provide evidence
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dirk Diggler on September 24, 2013, 07:50:21 PM
How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?

Every county has people not from there. How many clubs and GAA players do Dublin have?
7 million euro was given to Dublin by Bertie, a whole plan was set up by the GAA. No other county got this. It was and is unfair so to right the wrong the only thing to do is split Dublin and make Gaelic football and hurling a fair game once more.
time and again you claim Dublin got 7 million yet time and again you fail to provide evidence

Were they not getting €1 million a year from the Irish Sports Council under a deal concocted by national traitor and Dublin sc**bag Bertie Ahern?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: JP on September 24, 2013, 08:39:57 PM
This kind of talk is just plain stupid.

Any kid playing GAA in Dublin now is not dreaming of playing for Fingal or South Dublin or whatever lines would be drawn out. Nor would there be any kind of passionate fanbase for such a team.

It would strangle and kill the GAA creating apathy for it in the capital.

Ironically wasting the money that invested there int the first place.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on September 24, 2013, 09:22:15 PM
There is a lack of reality in this thread. Dublin is a place with a fast growing population and it received government money on that basis, so that new suburbs might be saved from savagery and immigrants may be socialised. Over the years it had not well harnessed its large population, but it may do so in the future and in this case a split should on the agenda. Comparisons with Kilkenny are farcical, Kilkenny don't have a population advantage, they merely make better use of the population they have. The club is supposed to be the backbone of the association, yet if a district on the outskirts of Dublin has a large increase in population people (including those in Dublin) do not argue that there should be only ever be one club there because it was like that for 50 years, rather a second club is established. The youth of the area identify with any new club set up, regardless of how it was in the past.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 24, 2013, 10:19:22 PM
Local government boundaries have come and gone. There's 29 counties in the south and none in the north. But everyone still identifies with the traditional 32, thanks in no small part to the GAA reinforcing that sense of local territorial allegiance since 1884. And you think the GAA is going to dump eight centuries of history, and a century and a half of building "brand recognition", all in the name of a county winning its first all-Ireland in god knows how long and because it might start getting too strong?  While Kilkenny bate all round them and there's not a word about splitting them?

Nobody's going to go out and cheer for "County Fingal" or whatever name is concocted for the other half of the county. It's not going to happen.


Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 24, 2013, 10:35:51 PM
Nobody's going to go out and cheer for "County Fingal" or whatever name is concocted for the other half of the county. It's not going to happen.

On what basis do you make that prophecy ( no less)??
If there were 4 counties in Dublin I suspect their rivalry would lead to increased participation and expansion of Gaelic games in the Capital as they'd try and out do each other.
It's too easy for Dublin Co Board to sit on their laurels as they'll always have a good football team and now have quite a good hurling team. It can't be any other way with the population they have. So there is no real need for them to go out and aggressively promote Gaelic games the way they should be.
Talking about splitting Kilkenny - a County with around 70,000 people is silly and can't be compared to an area with 1.2 million.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on September 24, 2013, 10:37:37 PM
When are people going to realise that the proportion of the population that play gaa in the capital is only a fraction of most other counties. Even in club football in Dublin, most of the teams have players from outside Dublin. Cork has more GAA clubs than Dublin, yet one never hears calls of splitting Cork. This smacks of jealousy to me and if brought to reality, would ruin the game in the capital. But maybe that what some people want.

Dublin don't even own their own training grounds. They rent the DCU for the football and the hurlers go from club to club training. Nobody mentions the huge debts run up by counties who have built state of the art academies, ie Kildare, Louth, Tyrone. I'm not begrudging them their facilities, but maybe they could have put the money to better use.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 24, 2013, 10:46:10 PM
On what basis do you make that prophecy ( no less)??

Past experience. You can't just invent a team and expect people to go out and support it. Like the 2006 attempt to create a team representing the territory of the embarrassingly badly-named North American County Board.  Their territory (the USA excluding greater NY) does not have an identity. There's no sense of allegiance to it. It doesn't even have a name. They put that team together at great expense, flew them into Chicago for a training weekend, and flew them into Boston a few weeks later to play against an Irish county team.  Apart from a few board officers, nobody was cheering for this team. Nobody gave a toss.

Territorial allegiance is something that builds up over time, over decades, even over centuries. You can't just slap a name on a team and expect it to pick up an instant fan base.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on September 24, 2013, 10:51:09 PM
Imagine Spain or Brazil being told they had to split their country for the World Cup because they were too good!! Ridiculous
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: muppet on September 24, 2013, 10:57:27 PM
Imagine Spain or Brazil being told they had to split their country for the World Cup because they were too good!! Ridiculous

Or China and India because they were too big.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 24, 2013, 11:08:51 PM
The usual stuff is going on in this thread as any other when this topic is brought up. Oh it's just jealousy, Dublin is full of foreigners so the 1.2 million people don't count and the usual questioning of the existence of the 7 million.
I'm glad there has been some voices talkin sense, usually doesn't happen. I think everyone will agree that the area of finances nee to be sorted in inter county football. The reason we're seeing a few teams push ahead of the rest is because of money. Fact.
Other counties mentioned in this thread need looking at also but this thread is about Dublin, start a different thread if you want to discuss other teams.

Dublin put a plan in place, it was backed by the GAA and others. The GAA seen it as a financial opportunity. They have cashed in greatly on it. Examples include all Dublin championship played at home, league games in Croke Park with usually the opening of the league. With Dublin getting more successful more and more people will start following the Dubs in football and hurling. Peter Quinn: "Dublin is not a national problem, it's a national opportunity." Seán Kelly said that these plans would "'make Dublin what it should be - the greatest GAA county in Ireland."
Dublin were happy to accept this, their hero Bertie Ahern granted them this hand out. The man himself on launching the plans: "Today is about establishing the foundations for the future". The foundations have been put in place and now the inevitable must be accepted. Dublin has to be split. It's only fair on the rest of the 31 counties, every team must be competing on an equal footing. Dublin already had population advantages etc but the financial advantages they have been granted have been unfair.
The money can't be handed back, it's gone. It has been invested in a wide variety of areas, the only solution is to split. I's time for everybody to face reality.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on September 24, 2013, 11:11:32 PM
The sky is blue.

That is all.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 24, 2013, 11:13:04 PM
Imagine Spain or Brazil being told they had to split their country for the World Cup because they were too good!! Ridiculous

Why do you keep going on with this nonsense? Dublin should be split because they received 7 million to complete a plan to make them the greatest team in Ireland in fotball and hurling. No other county received this. I have been saying this for years, it's not because Dublin won the All Ireland on Sunday.
Teams aren't competing on an equal footing, that's why they should be split. Not because they're too good.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on September 24, 2013, 11:18:20 PM
Almost everything you have ever written on this forum has been anti-Dublin. Your hatred of the capital is evident daily on here. You arguments are biased and simply don't make sense. You would rather see GAA diminish in the capital. You don't realise  the amount of work that people have put in. You measure everything in monetary terms.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 24, 2013, 11:22:43 PM
Teams aren't competing on an equal footing, that's why they should be split. Not because they're too good.

They're not competing on an equal footing, but they're not too good for everyone else?

What are you smoking?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BartSimpson on September 25, 2013, 12:12:38 AM
Anti Dubs will always be just that.

If you don't like the smell of pig shit, and your sisters crack, then become a Dub, and enjoy the free life.

Get over it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 12:27:14 AM
Teams aren't competing on an equal footing, that's why they should be split. Not because they're too good.

They're not competing on an equal footing, but they're not too good for everyone else?

What are you smoking?
Anti Dubs will always be just that.

If you don't like the smell of pig shit, and your sisters crack, then become a Dub, and enjoy the free life.

Get over it.
Almost everything you have ever written on this forum has been anti-Dublin. Your hatred of the capital is evident daily on here. You arguments are biased and simply don't make sense. You would rather see GAA diminish in the capital. You don't realise  the amount of work that people have put in. You measure everything in monetary terms.

Here we go with the usual craic. I've made a detailed post of what has happened and why I think Dublin should be split, you clearly can't debate this. You know what I say makes sense, time to face up to it and pick your side. South Dublin, Dun Laoghaire Rathdown or Fingal.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: maddog on September 25, 2013, 12:33:33 AM
Jesus lads, its about getting off yer hole and putting it up to the Dubs. Kerry do it regular, Mayo did it recently but not Sunday, we handed them their asses a couple of times. Splitting Dublin is ludicrous. The real issue in the GAA is that hurling is on its ass, a few counties are there year in year out and no word of it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 25, 2013, 01:15:06 AM
Here we go with the usual craic. I've made a detailed post of what has happened and why I think Dublin should be split, you clearly can't debate this.

I am debating it. You say they have an unfair advantage. I'm asking how you can possibly say that when they're not exactly winning all round them?

You're the one running away from debate here, not me. Ignoring the question and declaring "I'm right and you're wrong" is not debate.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on September 25, 2013, 02:24:50 AM
Sure we might as well try it for the craic. Let Dont Matter divvy up the city and Eamonnca can get who ever designed the San Fran jersey to make some new threads in shades of blue.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 25, 2013, 01:42:59 PM
Local government boundaries have come and gone. There's 29 counties in the south and none in the north. But everyone still identifies with the traditional 32, thanks in no small part to the GAA reinforcing that sense of local territorial allegiance since 1884. And you think the GAA is going to dump eight centuries of history, and a century and a half of building "brand recognition", all in the name of a county winning its first all-Ireland in god knows how long and because it might start getting too strong?  While Kilkenny bate all round them and there's not a word about splitting them?

Nobody's going to go out and cheer for "County Fingal" or whatever name is concocted for the other half of the county. It's not going to happen.




AFAIK, Kilkenny has just 12 senior and 12 intermediate clubs so splitting that county because of the excellence of its hurlers is a non-runner.
Cork has more than 5 times its hurling resources with Tipp just a short way behind.
I got those figures about 20 years ago and while they may be somewhat outdated by now, I’m sure they are more or less correct.
I got those figures and a lot more besides when a committee chaired by Peter Quinn submitted its report to Congress. The committee had been set up the previous year to examine some issue of concern to the Association and to bring forward its recommendations to the following one.
(I can’t remember the exact year but it was in the late 90s, a few years after Quinn’s presidency.)
Rural depopulation was one of the issues to be examined and there were a few other s that I can’t recall now but the recommendation that Dublin should be split in two got all the headlines. Rightly or wrongly, that proposal got nowhere but the rationale behind it was sound enough.
Believe it or not, the success or otherwise of the county teams didn’t enter the picture.
Dublin, in comparison to other counties has by far the greatest percentage of the population but in terms of active participation t club level or even awareness of what’s going on in GAA circles, it was (is?) bottom of the pile.
Quinn’s committee found that five named Dublin clubs between them had more underage player son their books than any of five counties that were also named.
(Clubs were Ballyboden, Thomas Davis, Brigids Vincents and I forget the other one.
The counties in question were Sligo, Leitrim, Cavan, Fermanagh and Monaghan.
Yet each of the counties has far more than five senior clubs so the drop off in active membership and the failure to get a greater % of the total population involved in Dublin were matters of concern to the GAA.
I don’t know what the reaction would be today if a similar report was issued but I imagine the controversy would overshadow the committee’s findings once again.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bingo on September 25, 2013, 02:01:45 PM
If they do split them up, the North Dublin team will get the Dublin home pitch in Croker and the NFL venue in Parnell park. Where will the southsiders play? They have to use the RDS?

Also, will the North siders be barred from Coppers on the south side?

Plus, who will both teams have to start in Div 4 and work their way up?

These are the major issues  ;)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: rodney trotter on September 25, 2013, 02:06:31 PM
 The North siders would arguably have a stronger side, with players from Oliver Plunketts, Parnells, St Brigids, Ballymun, Na Fianna and St Vincents. Obviously there is lots of non Dubs with those clubs too, but a good number of the Dublin panel would consist of players from those clubs.

Unless Dublin win the next 10 All Ireland's , they could possibly switch,
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 03:32:31 PM
Jesus lads, its about getting off yer hole and putting it up to the Dubs. Kerry do it regular, Mayo did it recently but not Sunday, we handed them their asses a couple of times. Splitting Dublin is ludicrous. The real issue in the GAA is that hurling is on its ass, a few counties are there year in year out and no word of it.

Try to read the thread, if every county got 7 million it would make it far easier to compete. One team has been making huge progress in hurling, that's Dublin. Can you guess why that is?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 03:38:59 PM
I am debating it. You say they have an unfair advantage. I'm asking how you can possibly say that when they're not exactly winning all round them?

You're the one running away from debate here, not me. Ignoring the question and declaring "I'm right and you're wrong" is not debate.

What's wrong with you? They have an unfair advantage because they receive far more money than everyone else, they got 7 million in a plan devised specifically for them, everyone else got 0. Th fact they've only won 2 senior All Irelands in this time is an embarressment to Dublin. They have won multiple underage All Irelands that they otherwise wouldn't have however. To make it simple for you; Just because they don't win every year doesn't mean they don't have an unfair advantage.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: DoireGael on September 25, 2013, 03:42:30 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu


Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 03:44:42 PM
If they do split them up, the North Dublin team will get the Dublin home pitch in Croker and the NFL venue in Parnell park. Where will the southsiders play? They have to use the RDS?

Also, will the North siders be barred from Coppers on the south side?

Plus, who will both teams have to start in Div 4 and work their way up?

These are the major issues  ;)

They will share their home pitch, in football Croke Park is the current Dublins home pitch. It will be the same for the hurlers soon.

I think some of them should be barred anyway for their own health.

Don't Matter also has a new championship and league proposal, once this is implemented the position of each of the Dublins will become clear.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 03:45:33 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 03:52:43 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?

Yes if they were competing fairly unlike the current Dublin team.
I see no reason for small counties amalgamating.
Again Kildare finances needs to be looked at but start a new thread on that if you want. They didn't get 7 million however.
Laois.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 03:57:18 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?

Yes if they were competing fairly unlike the current Dublin team.
I see no reason for small counties amalgamating.
Again Kildare finances needs to be looked at but start a new thread on that if you want. They didn't get 7 million however.
Laois.
i mentioned nothing about kildares finances
With all this investment you claimed has gone into Dublin they still have roughly the same number of adult players playing Gaelic football as a county with less than 1/6th of the population. Hardly an advantage!
Also how would you cater for the destruction of over 100 years of county tradition in Dublin ?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bingo on September 25, 2013, 04:01:38 PM
I'd actually go a step further and introduce Dublin as a new province and split the county in 8 different franchises, each competing for the Dublin provincal title, loser go into qualifiers.

Think about it:

North County Dublin Farmers V Inner City Steelers (see the pun)
Northside Howya's V Southside Okkkkay's
Liffey Valley 69ers V South County Dublin 3.99ers

But the crowning glory will be the two teams for the Ex-pats

Meath/Louth Commuters V Kildare/Wicklow ITers.

Its the future.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 04:03:44 PM
i mentioned nothing about kildares finances
With all this investment you claimed has gone into Dublin they still have roughly the same number of adult players playing Gaelic football as a county with less than 1/6th of the population. Hardly an advantage!
Also how would you cater for the destruction of over 100 years of county tradition in Dublin ?

I'm not saying Dublin should be split because they have a higher population. I'm saying they should be split because they received huge money to implement a plan that has guaranteed them success. This is unfair an that's why they should be split.
The people in charge of Dublin GAA were happy to accept the money, Dublin GAA fans were happy to be bought titles, now they have to be happy with the inevitable; Dublin must be split.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2013, 04:06:04 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?

Is there a source out there for those figures just out of interest?

Kildare has 16 senior football clubs, 16 intermediate and 9 competing in the junior championship. 3 other junior clubs Ardclough, Athgarvan and Kildangan did not enter the championship this year.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 04:08:15 PM
Meath/Louth Commuters V Kildare/Wicklow ITers.

Trips off the tongue!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 04:16:54 PM
i mentioned nothing about kildares finances
With all this investment you claimed has gone into Dublin they still have roughly the same number of adult players playing Gaelic football as a county with less than 1/6th of the population. Hardly an advantage!
Also how would you cater for the destruction of over 100 years of county tradition in Dublin ?

I'm not saying Dublin should be split because they have a higher population. I'm saying they should be split because they received huge money to implement a plan that has guaranteed them success. This is unfair an that's why they should be split.
The people in charge of Dublin GAA were happy to accept the money, Dublin GAA fans were happy to be bought titles, now they have to be happy with the inevitable; Dublin must be split.
i can see the logic in your argument and I don't agree with it As it would be detrimental to the gaa overall!
The so called money was needed to encourage kids to play the game in a county where other sports are number 1 unlike rural counties where gaa is  top dog which gives them an unfair advantage!
The next step for the gaa and the Irish and British government is to invest time money and energy into breaking down the bigotry the exists up the north and include the people of unionist persuasion to take part in our games
You haven't answered my question on how you would tackle the issue of over 100 years of county tradition in Dublin ?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bingo on September 25, 2013, 04:20:28 PM
Meath/Louth Commuters V Kildare/Wicklow ITers.

Trips off the tongue!

How about Meuth Commuters V Wickdare ITEers
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 04:30:00 PM
i can see the logic in your argument and I don't agree with it As it would be detrimental to the gaa overall!
The so called money was needed to encourage kids to play the game in a county where other sports are number 1 unlike rural counties where gaa is  top dog which gives them an unfair advantage!
The next step for the gaa and the Irish and British government is to invest time money and energy into breaking down the bigotry the exists up the north and include the people of unionist persuasion to take part in our games
You haven't answered my question on how you would tackle the issue of over 100 years of county tradition in Dublin ?

The current situation is detrimental to the GAA overall. Not everyone is competing on an equal footing, surely this can't last.
Why do you keep saying stuff like 'the so called money'?
I have told you, I wouldn't split Dublin for population advantages etc so whatever advantages you perceive that other counties have are irrelevant.
Unionists are free to compete, again this has nothing to do with this thread.
They will have to form a new tradition as the inevitable must happen.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 25, 2013, 04:31:12 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?

Is there a source out there for those figures just out of interest?

Kildare has 16 senior football clubs, 16 intermediate and 9 competing in the junior championship. 3 other junior clubs Ardclough, Athgarvan and Kildangan did not enter the championship this year.

That's a bizarre claim. Kildare has 90 teams playing league football across 7 divisions. Dublin has 192 teams playing across 12 Divisions.

Can we have some sources to back up your claim?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 25, 2013, 04:32:15 PM
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?


Is there a source out there for those figures just out of interest?

Kildare has 16 senior football clubs, 16 intermediate and 9 competing in the junior championship. 3 other junior clubs Ardclough, Athgarvan and Kildangan did not enter the championship this year.
If Dublin with 1.2 m has the same number of adults playing Gaelic games as Kildare with 200k then surely the Dublin County Board is not fit for purpose and is not doing much to promote Gaelic games.
I believe that if there were 4 Co Boards in Dublin each of them would do more in their own areas - even if it was only to get the better of their neighbours.
Look at Kildare - of the 5 big towns there the ones that have 2 clubs - Leixlip and Newbridge  I suspect have greater proportion of people playing Gaelic games than Naas, Celbridge or Maynooth each of whom have only one club.
I was working for a Roscommon man up that way when the Confey Club was formed in the "new" part of Leixlip - he was one of the founders. The existing Leixlip club moved heaven and earth to stop the new club but failed. Now there are 2 good clubs there so everyone's a winner.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 04:42:29 PM
i can see the logic in your argument and I don't agree with it As it would be detrimental to the gaa overall!
The so called money was needed to encourage kids to play the game in a county where other sports are number 1 unlike rural counties where gaa is  top dog which gives them an unfair advantage!
The next step for the gaa and the Irish and British government is to invest time money and energy into breaking down the bigotry the exists up the north and include the people of unionist persuasion to take part in our games
You haven't answered my question on how you would tackle the issue of over 100 years of county tradition in Dublin ?

The current situation is detrimental to the GAA overall. Not everyone is competing on an equal footing, surely this can't last.
Why do you keep saying stuff like 'the so called money'?
I have told you, I wouldn't split Dublin for population advantages etc so whatever advantages you perceive that other counties have are irrelevant.
Unionists are free to compete, again this has nothing to do with this thread.
They will have to form a new tradition as the inevitable must happen.
my point is that that money was needed to increase the player percentage in Dublin to place the county on an equal footing with rural counties. Splitting Dublin would be a backward step. Also you posted a link for a newspaper article during the year that Dublin would recieve money to invest in underage structures yet when pressed on it you couldn't back it up with details of the money being recieved and what it was actually spent on hence the so called money !
If you have a problem with points on unionism and rural counties amalgamating being discussed due to their relevance to this thread then you strike me as someone who basically has a negative agenda!
Unionist are free in name to take part in our games but we all know the truth in this regard therefore are the six counties at a disadvantage?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on September 25, 2013, 04:46:57 PM
We'll split them next year.
Split them good.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 04:48:52 PM
We'll split them next year.
Split them good.
now that's why us Dubs have great respect for the Royals
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 04:52:28 PM
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?


Is there a source out there for those figures just out of interest?

Kildare has 16 senior football clubs, 16 intermediate and 9 competing in the junior championship. 3 other junior clubs Ardclough, Athgarvan and Kildangan did not enter the championship this year.
If Dublin with 1.2 m has the same number of adults playing Gaelic games as Kildare with 200k then surely the Dublin County Board is not fit for purpose and is not doing much to promote Gaelic games.
I believe that if there were 4 Co Boards in Dublin each of them would do more in their own areas - even if it was only to get the better of their neighbours.
Look at Kildare - of the 5 big towns there the ones that have 2 clubs - Leixlip and Newbridge  I suspect have greater proportion of people playing Gaelic games than Naas, Celbridge or Maynooth each of whom have only one club.
I was working for a Roscommon man up that way when the Confey Club was formed in the "new" part of Leixlip - he was one of the founders. The existing Leixlip club moved heaven and earth to stop the new club but failed. Now there are 2 good clubs there so everyone's a winner.
i would have no problem with Dublin having a 2 maybe 3 boards but when it comes to representing the county at national level I would be against more than one team
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 04:54:34 PM
my point is that that money was needed to increase the player percentage in Dublin to place the county on an equal footing with rural counties. Splitting Dublin would be a backward step. Also you posted a link for a newspaper article during the year that Dublin would recieve money to invest in underage structures yet when pressed on it you couldn't back it up with details of the money being recieved and what it was spent on hence the so called money !
If you have a problem with points on unionism and rural counties amalgamating being discussed due to their relevance to this thread then you strike me as someone who basically has a negative agenda!
Unionist are free in name to take part in our games but we all know the truth in this regard therefore are the six counties at a disadvantage?

The money was mostly used to improve the playing standard of Dublin in football and hurling, elite squads with elite coaches and top level equipment and facilities.
I don't have the details of the plan, I can't tell you about the specifics.
Those things are irrelevent to this thread. This is about Dublin being bought success.
Start a new thread about unionism.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 05:01:53 PM
my point is that that money was needed to increase the player percentage in Dublin to place the county on an equal footing with rural counties. Splitting Dublin would be a backward step. Also you posted a link for a newspaper article during the year that Dublin would recieve money to invest in underage structures yet when pressed on it you couldn't back it up with details of the money being recieved and what it was spent on hence the so called money !
If you have a problem with points on unionism and rural counties amalgamating being discussed due to their relevance to this thread then you strike me as someone who basically has a negative agenda!
Unionist are free in name to take part in our games but we all know the truth in this regard therefore are the six counties at a disadvantage?

The money was mostly used to improve the playing standard of Dublin in football and hurling, elite squads with elite coaches and top level equipment and facilities.
I don't have the details of the plan, I can't tell you about the specifics.
Those things are irrelevent to this thread. This is about Dublin being bought success.
Start a new thread about unionism.
they are not irrellavent! Your argument in case to split Dublin is based on unfair advantage arising from money recieved yet when pressed on the how it was spent you decline to engage!
How much money did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 05:04:47 PM
How many extra players has Laois received in the last couple of decades courtesy of being in the Dublin commuter belt?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 05:12:29 PM
my point is that that money was needed to increase the player percentage in Dublin to place the county on an equal footing with rural counties. Splitting Dublin would be a backward step. Also you posted a link for a newspaper article during the year that Dublin would recieve money to invest in underage structures yet when pressed on it you couldn't back it up with details of the money being recieved and what it was spent on hence the so called money !
If you have a problem with points on unionism and rural counties amalgamating being discussed due to their relevance to this thread then you strike me as someone who basically has a negative agenda!
Unionist are free in name to take part in our games but we all know the truth in this regard therefore are the six counties at a disadvantage?

The money was mostly used to improve the playing standard of Dublin in football and hurling, elite squads with elite coaches and top level equipment and facilities.
I don't have the details of the plan, I can't tell you about the specifics.
Those things are irrelevent to this thread. This is about Dublin being bought success.
Start a new thread about unionism.


The first thing to clarify for posters is this guy has no information of any kind of how any revenue is spent in Dublin GAA.

He can't tell you specifics- because he has none

He doesn't have details- because like Manuel from Fawlty Towers "He knows nothing"

His entire opinion is based on conjecture and bullshit so while some of you may see him as the Salmon of Knowledge on this topic I can you tell for a fact Krusty the Clown has far more information to offer then this guy does.



Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 05:17:43 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?

Is there a source out there for those figures just out of interest?

Kildare has 16 senior football clubs, 16 intermediate and 9 competing in the junior championship. 3 other junior clubs Ardclough, Athgarvan and Kildangan did not enter the championship this year.

That's a bizarre claim. Kildare has 90 teams playing league football across 7 divisions. Dublin has 192 teams playing across 12 Divisions.

Can we have some sources to back up your claim?

Kildare have 50 clubs Dinny. Dublin have about 85.

You're not seriously suggesting that Jim Gavin is recruiting players from the Junior E championship are you?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:18:15 PM
they are not irrellavent! Your argument in case to split Dublin is based on unfair advantage arising from money recieved yet when pressed on the how it was spent you decline to engage!
How much money did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

I've told you how it was spent, I said I don't have details on the exact amount each area got.
How much did Dublin receive for the redevelopment of Croke Park? It has nothing to do with the topic at hand, your attempts to change the topic are pathetic.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:19:13 PM
How many extra players has Laois received in the last couple of decades courtesy of being in the Dublin commuter belt?

0. The advantage has come the other way around.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on September 25, 2013, 05:20:33 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?

Is there a source out there for those figures just out of interest?

Kildare has 16 senior football clubs, 16 intermediate and 9 competing in the junior championship. 3 other junior clubs Ardclough, Athgarvan and Kildangan did not enter the championship this year.

That's a bizarre claim. Kildare has 90 teams playing league football across 7 divisions. Dublin has 192 teams playing across 12 Divisions.

Can we have some sources to back up your claim?

Kildare have 50 clubs Dinny. Dublin have about 85.

You're not seriously suggesting that Jim Gavin is recruiting players from the Junior E championship are you?

44 football clubs by my count.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
The first thing to clarify for posters is this guy has no information of any kind of how any revenue is spent in Dublin GAA.

He can't tell you specifics- because he has none

He doesn't have details- because like Manuel from Fawlty Towers "He knows nothing"

His entire opinion is based on conjecture and bullshit so while some of you may see him as the Salmon of Knowledge on this topic I can you tell for a fact Krusty the Clown has far more information to offer then this guy does.

I've said how the money was spent, I don't have their accounts and I'd say it would be hard for anyone to get their hands on them.
First it was claimed the 7 million never existed, then the usual attempts to point fingers elsewhere, I have said where the money has gone and now people want me to show them receipts.  :D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: deiseach on September 25, 2013, 05:24:56 PM
How many extra players has Laois received in the last couple of decades courtesy of being in the Dublin commuter belt?

0. The advantage has come the other way around.

Yeah, right. (http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/Prelim%20complete.pdf)

Quote
The population change varied widely across the country. By far the fastest growing county in percentage terms was Laois which increased by 13,399 from 67,059 to 80,458, an increase of 20.0 per cent. This is over twice the rate for the State as a whole and significantly higher than the next fastest growing county, Cavan, which increased by 13.9 per cent.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on September 25, 2013, 05:25:24 PM
[The money was mostly used to improve the playing standard of Dublin in football and hurling, elite squads with elite coaches and top level equipment and facilities.
I don't have the details of the plan, I can't tell you about the specifics.
Those things are irrelevent to this thread. This is about Dublin being bought success.
Start a new thread about unionism.

This is vague unsubstatiated nonsense. The reason you don't have any detail is your making it up. 7 million of taxpayers money my hole!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 05:25:56 PM
they are not irrellavent! Your argument in case to split Dublin is based on unfair advantage arising from money recieved yet when pressed on the how it was spent you decline to engage!
How much money did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

I've told you how it was spent, I said I don't have details on the exact amount each area got.
How much did Dublin receive for the redevelopment of Croke Park? It has nothing to do with the topic at hand, your attempts to change the topic are pathetic.
im not trying to change the topic! Your argument is based on Dublins comparative advantage to other counties yet when valid points are put to you you decline to engage
How much money did Laois recieve for OMoore Park?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:28:44 PM
How many extra players has Laois received in the last couple of decades courtesy of being in the Dublin commuter belt?

0. The advantage has come the other way around.

Yeah, right. (http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/Prelim%20complete.pdf)

Quote
The population change varied widely across the country. By far the fastest growing county in percentage terms was Laois which increased by 13,399 from 67,059 to 80,458, an increase of 20.0 per cent. This is over twice the rate for the State as a whole and significantly higher than the next fastest growing county, Cavan, which increased by 13.9 per cent.

The 2011 census? That tells us how much extra players Laois has received in the last couple of decades?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 05:32:11 PM
The first thing to clarify for posters is this guy has no information of any kind of how any revenue is spent in Dublin GAA.

He can't tell you specifics- because he has none

He doesn't have details- because like Manuel from Fawlty Towers "He knows nothing"

His entire opinion is based on conjecture and bullshit so while some of you may see him as the Salmon of Knowledge on this topic I can you tell for a fact Krusty the Clown has far more information to offer then this guy does.

I've said how the money was spent, I don't have their accounts and I'd say it would be hard for anyone to get their hands on them.
First it was claimed the 7 million never existed, then the usual attempts to point fingers elsewhere, I have said where the money has gone and now people want me to show them receipts.  :D

Nobody knows anything about this 7m except you.

I know exactly how Dublin have made incremental improvements. And money was the least of them!

The only substantial improvement offered from the GAA was to increase the number of GPO's from 14 to 50 and half their salary is paid by the club itself!

So you haven't a rashers what's going on.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 05:33:24 PM
How mch did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:36:08 PM
This is vague unsubstatiated nonsense. The reason you don't have any detail is your making it up. 7 million of taxpayers money my hole!

There was a strategic programme manager appointed with regional development officers, hurling development officers and games promotion officers.
Each club had access to a development officer. They would work in different regional areas, the main aim was to target schools and identify and train elite talent. These people cost money, when you add on payment of coaches, equipment, facilties etc etc you can begin to see what sort of set up we're dealing with.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:39:05 PM
im not trying to change the topic! Your argument is based on Dublins comparative advantage to other counties yet when valid points are put to you you decline to engage
How much money did Laois recieve for OMoore Park?

No it's not, I'm not discusing Dublins popultion, the fact it plays every game at home, has the ref onside etc etc I'm discussing the money received with the aim of making them 'the Greatest GAA county in Ireland'.
Start a new thread on Laois if you want.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
Nobody knows anything about this 7m except you.

I know exactly how Dublin have made incremental improvements. And money was the least of them!

The only substantial improvement offered from the GAA was to increase the number of GPO's from 14 to 50 and half their salary is paid by the club itself!

So you haven't a rashers what's going on.

So Bertie, Seán Kelly etc were just making things up? The accounts the GAA have released were all false? Dublin weren't getting 1 million per year? Dublin improved from no where in hurling to All Ireland contenders with hard work alone? Dublin went from barely ever winning underage titles to dominating them in football and hurling because of these 'incremental improvements' and not because they received bucket loads of cash?  ;D Get out of it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:43:50 PM
How mch did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

Start a new thread on that.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on September 25, 2013, 05:44:04 PM
This is vague unsubstatiated nonsense. The reason you don't have any detail is your making it up. 7 million of taxpayers money my hole!

There was a strategic programme manager appointed with regional development officers, hurling development officers and games promotion officers.
Each club had access to a development officer. They would work in different regional areas, the main aim was to target schools and identify and train elite talent. These people cost money, when you add on payment of coaches, equipment, facilties etc etc you can begin to see what sort of set up we're dealing with.

Yeah. Your quoting from the Dublin GAA Strategic Plan released about 10 years ago. Where is 7 million of tax payers money mentioned in it?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 05:45:53 PM
im not trying to change the topic! Your argument is based on Dublins comparative advantage to other counties yet when valid points are put to you you decline to engage
How much money did Laois recieve for OMoore Park?

No it's not, I'm not discusing Dublins popultion, the fact it plays every game at home, has the ref onside etc etc I'm discussing the money received with the aim of making them 'the Grates GAA county in Ireland'.
Start a new thread on Laois if you want.
i don't really care what Laois do! It world be great if counties like Laois got there act together and invested the 2 most important commodities into their games TIME and ENERGY
How much did Laois recieve for OMoore park?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:47:59 PM
Yeah. Your quoting from the Dublin GAA Strategic Plan released about 10 years ago. Where is 7 million of tax payers money mentioned in it?

Why wouldn't I quote from that? That's when the plan came into place. That's why Dublin have won 2 All Irelands in 3 years.
Most of the money came from Irish citizens, some came from the GAA.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 05:49:34 PM
i don't really care what Laois do! It world be great if counties like Laois got there act together and invested the 2 most important commodities into their games TIME and ENERGY
How much did Laois recieve for OMoore park?

Start a new thread on Laois.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on September 25, 2013, 05:49:56 PM
Yeah. Your quoting from the Dublin GAA Strategic Plan released about 10 years ago. Where is 7 million of tax payers money mentioned in it?

Why wouldn't I quote from that? That's when the plan came into place. That's why Dublin have won 2 All Irelands in 3 years.
Most of the money came from Irish citizens, some came from the GAA.

I repeat, where is 7 million of Irish Citizens money mentioned in this plan or anywhere else for that matter?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 05:51:38 PM
Nobody knows anything about this 7m except you.

I know exactly how Dublin have made incremental improvements. And money was the least of them!

The only substantial improvement offered from the GAA was to increase the number of GPO's from 14 to 50 and half their salary is paid by the club itself!

So you haven't a rashers what's going on.

So Bertie, Seán Kelly etc were just making things up? The accounts the GAA have released were all false? Dublin weren't getting 1 million per year? Dublin improved from no where in hurling to All Ireland contenders with hard work alone? Dublin went from barely ever winning underage titles to dominating them in football and hurling because of these 'incremental improvements' and not because they received bucket loads of cash?  ;D Get out of it.

This is where it gets funny.

In football

Dublin have won 1 All-ireland Minor Title since 1984. In 2012 and contested only 2 other finals in that period. 2003 and 2011. Mayo for example since 1984 have been 7/8 all-ireland minor finals!!!

in hurling

Dublin haven't won a minor since 1965 and have contested only 3 finals since. 1983, 2011 and 2012.

So the facts don't stack up on your bizarre ramblings I'm afraid.

Throwing out census population claims when the entire area of Tallaght ( a larger population then Limerick) is serviced by 3 GAA clubs- none of them successful since the early 90's only adds to your meanderings.

People keep talking about "well if this part of Dublin played GAA". Face facts there are vast tracts of Dublin that will never play GAA. Ever.



Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 05:52:52 PM
How mch did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

Start a new thread on that.
as far as I'm aware you are not a Moderator and just because you start a thread it doesn't give you the authority to censor posts! Man up and the answer the question !
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Mike Sheehy on September 25, 2013, 05:56:41 PM
How many extra players has Laois received in the last couple of decades courtesy of being in the Dublin commuter belt?

That's a strange argument. Surely population redistribution from Dublin is not an "advantage" conferred on neighbouring counties but, rather, a reversal of an advantage that Dublin have long benefitted from ?



Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 06:13:57 PM
This is where it gets funny.

In football

Dublin have won 1 All-ireland Minor Title since 1984. In 2012 and contested only 2 other finals in that period. 2003 and 2011. Mayo for example since 1984 have been 7/8 all-ireland minor finals!!!

in hurling

Dublin haven't won a minor since 1965 and have contested only 3 finals since. 1983, 2011 and 2012.

So the facts don't stack up on your bizarre ramblings I'm afraid.

Throwing out census population claims when the entire area of Tallaght ( a larger population then Limerick) is serviced by 3 GAA clubs- none of them successful since the early 90's only adds to your meanderings.

People keep talking about "well if this part of Dublin played GAA". Face facts there are vast tracts of Dublin that will never play GAA. Ever.

In the 20 years prior to receiving the 7 million Dublin appeared in 5 underage All Irelands, hurling and football.
Since 2005 they've been in 8. You can see the real effects of the money shining through recently with 7 of those finals since 2010.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 06:14:27 PM
How mch did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

Start a new thread on that.
as far as I'm aware you are not a Moderator and just because you start a thread it doesn't give you the authority to censor posts! Man up and the answer the question !

Start a new thread on that.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
This is where it gets funny.

In football

Dublin have won 1 All-ireland Minor Title since 1984. In 2012 and contested only 2 other finals in that period. 2003 and 2011. Mayo for example since 1984 have been 7/8 all-ireland minor finals!!!

in hurling

Dublin haven't won a minor since 1965 and have contested only 3 finals since. 1983, 2011 and 2012.

So the facts don't stack up on your bizarre ramblings I'm afraid.

Throwing out census population claims when the entire area of Tallaght ( a larger population then Limerick) is serviced by 3 GAA clubs- none of them successful since the early 90's only adds to your meanderings.

People keep talking about "well if this part of Dublin played GAA". Face facts there are vast tracts of Dublin that will never play GAA. Ever.

In the 20 years prior to receiving the 7 million Dublin appeared in 5 underage All Irelands, hurling and football.
Since 2005 they've been in 8. You can see the real effects of the money shining through recently with 7 of those finals since 2010.

7 million  ;D. This is quality entertainment.

In the mid 90's Dublin went up to Tyrone and went down to Kilkenny. They looked at their development teams and brought the concept to Dublin.

That's the root cause of our success recently. Nothing to do with 7m mythology
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 06:19:23 PM
How mch did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

Start a new thread on that.
as far as I'm aware you are not a Moderator and just because you start a thread it doesn't give you the authority to censor posts! Man up and the answer the question !

Start a new thread on that.
no it's relevant to this thread. Answer the question !
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Wildweasel74 on September 25, 2013, 06:34:58 PM
Its a strange argument funding, i just go with the fact that Dublin got a bunch of good players that have came at the same time, but most of their rivals from yesterday are going through poor spells team wise.

Dublin on another day could have won 4 All-irelands between 92-95, they had alot of good players, but there was more competition as alot of county teamsat a high level, Donegal, Down and Derry were very strong, Meath still were handy and Cork in Munster. At present the level of alot of other teams is not up to Dublin, they havent the same quality of players. Mayo is the strongest of the rest, but need 2 forwards in the full forward line and a half forward if they are too turn over Dublin next year.

Dublin next year will be stronger again, and if they dont go partying for the yr would be big favourites to go back to back for the 1st time since the late 70`s
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on September 25, 2013, 08:02:24 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?

Is there a source out there for those figures just out of interest?

Kildare has 16 senior football clubs, 16 intermediate and 9 competing in the junior championship. 3 other junior clubs Ardclough, Athgarvan and Kildangan did not enter the championship this year.

That's a bizarre claim. Kildare has 90 teams playing league football across 7 divisions. Dublin has 192 teams playing across 12 Divisions.

Can we have some sources to back up your claim?

Kildare have 50 clubs Dinny. Dublin have about 85.

You're not seriously suggesting that Jim Gavin is recruiting players from the Junior E championship are you?

Did I say that?

JBG claims Kildare have the same number of adult players as Dublin, the facts dictate otherwise with less than 50% of Dublins figures. Also Dublin have 32 senior clubs Kildare has 16 which reinforces the point.

Dublin have many advantages over Kildare that still doesn't excuse our performances against them this year mind.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 08:10:12 PM
Split Dublin.......Split Kilkenny.....Split Kerry......Split Michael Schumacher.....Ludicrous

http://imgur.com/gallery/3Nolu

You're a bit slow.
would you be happy if a South Dublin team was contesting an all ireland final with a Dublin North team?
Would you object to small counties amalgamating?
Do you know that kildare has roughly the same number of adult players as Dublin ?
What county are you from btw?

Is there a source out there for those figures just out of interest?

Kildare has 16 senior football clubs, 16 intermediate and 9 competing in the junior championship. 3 other junior clubs Ardclough, Athgarvan and Kildangan did not enter the championship this year.

That's a bizarre claim. Kildare has 90 teams playing league football across 7 divisions. Dublin has 192 teams playing across 12 Divisions.

Can we have some sources to back up your claim?

Kildare have 50 clubs Dinny. Dublin have about 85.

You're not seriously suggesting that Jim Gavin is recruiting players from the Junior E championship are you?

Did I say that?

JBG claims Kildare have the same number of adult players as Dublin, the facts dictate otherwise with less than 50% of Dublins figures. Also Dublin have 32 senior clubs Kildare has 16 which reinforces the point.

Dublin have many advantages over Kildare that still doesn't excuse our performances against them this year mind.
'll gladly hold my hand up and stand corrected, I read it in one of the papers recently but like I say I'm open to correction
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rodman on September 25, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
This is where it gets funny.

In football

Dublin have won 1 All-ireland Minor Title since 1984. In 2012 and contested only 2 other finals in that period. 2003 and 2011. Mayo for example since 1984 have been 7/8 all-ireland minor finals!!!

in hurling

Dublin haven't won a minor since 1965 and have contested only 3 finals since. 1983, 2011 and 2012.

So the facts don't stack up on your bizarre ramblings I'm afraid.

Throwing out census population claims when the entire area of Tallaght ( a larger population then Limerick) is serviced by 3 GAA clubs- none of them successful since the early 90's only adds to your meanderings.

People keep talking about "well if this part of Dublin played GAA". Face facts there are vast tracts of Dublin that will never play GAA. Ever.

In the 20 years prior to receiving the 7 million Dublin appeared in 5 underage All Irelands, hurling and football.
Since 2005 they've been in 8. You can see the real effects of the money shining through recently with 7 of those finals since 2010.

Ok, so Dublin get 7m in funding and your solution is to split the county.......and what then, give them 3.5m each? The money is still being spent in Dublin (if this money did exist). Did you ever think that maybe splitting the money evenly across all counties was a better solution.  Maybe it was a case that they got this funding to help promote the GAA is a part of the country where there was a danger of loosing hundreds of youngsters to rugby / soccer and other sports each year.  There is plenty of teams that have been allot more successful than Dublin that have allot less money. Your argument is nonsense.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 09:57:43 PM
7 million  ;D. This is quality entertainment.

In the mid 90's Dublin went up to Tyrone and went down to Kilkenny. They looked at their development teams and brought the concept to Dublin.

That's the root cause of our success recently. Nothing to do with 7m mythology

So they went to Tyrone and Kilkenny and copied what they do.  ;D That's why they've come from no where to All Ireland contenders in hurling, to win 2 All Irelands in 3 years in football and dominate underage football and hurling?
It sounds so easy, why hasn't anyone else thought of this? ;D All this time teams were going around with new training methods, doing heavier weights, training harder than ever and all they had to do was go to Tyrone and Kilkenny and just copy them.
What brilliance shown by the Dubs, they didn't even need the 7 million. Also Jim Gavin and his 50 person backroom team all worked for free.  ;D What a joke but you're right, it's quality entertainment.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 09:58:35 PM
no it's relevant to this thread. Answer the question !

Start a new thread on that.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:01:59 PM
Ok, so Dublin get 7m in funding and your solution is to split the county.......and what then, give them 3.5m each? The money is still being spent in Dublin (if this money did exist). Did you ever think that maybe splitting the money evenly across all counties was a better solution.  Maybe it was a case that they got this funding to help promote the GAA is a part of the country where there was a danger of loosing hundreds of youngsters to rugby / soccer and other sports each year.  There is plenty of teams that have been allot more successful than Dublin that have allot less money. Your argument is nonsense.

Read the thread like a good lad, if you have already then read it slowly this time.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 10:02:12 PM
no it's relevant to this thread. Answer the question !

Start a new thread on that.
no
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on September 25, 2013, 10:06:27 PM
Time for the lines to be drawn. It's going to be either Dublin North and Dublin South or maybe Dublin Fingal, Dublin South and Dublin Dun Laoighaire Rathdown.
Bertie and co granted Dublin 7 million euros, the plan was for Dublin to dominate All Irelands in hurling and football. 2 in 3 years in football and the first real Leinster title in hurling shows that the plan is working well, not as well as it should but working well non the less.
They have over 1 million people, all the best facilities in the country, all the best coaches available, play every game at home, the best set up in schools and underage because of money. It's not what the GAA is all about. It's meant to be teams playing against eachother on an equal footing.
It's an ameteur game, how much are Dublin spending on that management team and backroom staff? They can even afford to pay Bernard Dunne to hang around for the banter with players.

Lets hope the GAA stop looking after their pockets and bring fair play back to inter county football. Split Dublin into 2 or 3 and start dividing resources fairly, also introduce caps on money spent on inter county teams.

Put a poll up and lets see how ppl feel without all your mouthing and BS.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:08:12 PM
Can somebody answer me a question? Why do people think it's ok for Dublin to receive 7 million to implement a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 10:09:58 PM
Can somebody answer me a question? Why do people think it's ok for Dublin to receive 7 million to implement a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'?
what 7 million?
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:13:28 PM
Put a poll up and lets see how ppl feel without all your mouthing and BS.

Poll added.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 10:15:23 PM
It's a bullshit poll
It should read
Time to split Dublin  YES/NO
Do you really think we are stupid?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on September 25, 2013, 10:15:59 PM
Can somebody answer me a question? Why do people think it's ok for Dublin to receive 7 million to implement a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'?

Because they serve the biggest % of the GAA membership, they generate the most gate receipts for the GAA, simple as.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:16:39 PM
what 7 million?
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

€7m Dublin development plan launched

Taoiseach Bertie Ahern last night launched the Dublin County Board's strategic initiative at Croke Park. Costing more than €7 million over three years it is the most ambitious development plan ever devised for the county, reports Seán Moran, GAA Correspondent

The product of two years' negotiation between Dublin, the Leinster Council and the GAA, the initiative aims to divide the county into regions, loosely based on existing local authority areas, and focus its efforts on raising the profile of Gaelic games in schools, improving recruitment for clubs and establishing a structure for developing elite talent.

'Today is about establishing the foundations for the future,' said an Taoiseach. 'It is about securing the foothold of Gaelic games in this city and county.

'It is about providing our young people with every opportunity to master and participate in games that are integral to our identity as a people.

'Dublin is now home to one quarter of our country's population. Young people under the age of 18 make up almost 300,000. Such a population has naturally put an added premium on land and facilities across the county.

'I am particularly heartened to see the focus on disadvantaged areas.' He also paid tribute to the county board, the Leinster Council and Croke Park for their support of the initiative.

He was responding to the presentation by Dublin Chief Executive John Costello, in the course of which the problems facing Dublin were set out.

The decline in volunteerism, increased competition from other sports and the price of land had all presented obstacles.

As a result, the GAA was not getting into primary schools at anything like an ideal rate. He showed statistics of nine to 16 year-olds in the county, which indicated 16.63 per cent of boys and 5.32 per cent of girls were playing football while 10.84 per cent of boys and 4.06 per cent of girls played hurling or camogie.

The strategy for dealing with the challenge will be based on devolving work to regional areas, where the focus will be sharper on servicing the schools in those regions and identifying the elite talent. Regions have yet to be finalised, but will largely correspond to local authority areas.

Kevin O'Shaughnessy has been appointed Strategic Programme Manager and he heads the initiative. Reporting to him - in hierarchical order - will be the regional development officers, the hurling development officer and the games promotion officers.

GAA president Seán Kelly, who chaired the joint-committee that agreed these initiatives, said that the plans would 'make Dublin what it should be - the greatest GAA county in Ireland'.

He praised the Leinster Council for their generosity in backing the initiative, as they also had to take into account 11 other counties in the province.

'It was well put by my predecessor Peter Quinn,' he said, 'when addressing the SRC (Strategic Review Committee) congress. 'Dublin is not a national problem,' he declared, 'it's a national opportunity'.'

Addressing the question of breaking Dublin into two counties - the controversial proposal advanced by the SRC nearly three years ago - Kelly dismissed it, but in ambiguous fashion.

'No one's suggesting that Dublin should be divided in two. That's hogwash. No one's saying that for the moment.'
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:19:09 PM
Can somebody answer me a question? Why do people think it's ok for Dublin to receive 7 million to implement a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'?

Because they serve the biggest % of the GAA membership, they generate the most gate receipts for the GAA, simple as.

They get the biggest cut from gate receipts. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEVEN MILLION I AM TALKING ABOUT. With gate receipts everyone gets something, the 7 million plan was for 1 county only.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 10:20:17 PM
I read nothing in that about taxpayers money!
Also I read this-
He praised the Leinster Council for their generosity in backing the initiative, as they also had to take into account 11 other counties in the province.
How much money did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on September 25, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Can somebody answer me a question? Why do people think it's ok for Dublin to receive 7 million to implement a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'?

Because they serve the biggest % of the GAA membership, they generate the most gate receipts for the GAA, simple as.

They get the biggest cut from gate receipts. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEVEN MILLION I AM TALKING ABOUT. With gate receipts everyone gets something, the 7 million plan was for 1 county only.

There is no suggestion to where the money came from, taxpayer, lotto funds or GAA, maybe go find this out before mouthing off.

Social responsibility, look it up.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:26:38 PM
I read nothing in that about taxpayers money!
Also I read this-
He praised the Leinster Council for their generosity in backing the initiative, as they also had to take into account 11 other counties in the province.
How much money did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

The money came from Government, GAA and Leinster council.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:27:09 PM
Can somebody answer me a question? Why do people think it's ok for Dublin to receive 7 million to implement a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'?

Because they serve the biggest % of the GAA membership, they generate the most gate receipts for the GAA, simple as.

They get the biggest cut from gate receipts. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEVEN MILLION I AM TALKING ABOUT. With gate receipts everyone gets something, the 7 million plan was for 1 county only.

There is no suggestion to where the money came from, taxpayer, lotto funds or GAA, maybe go find this out before mouthing off.

Social responsibility, look it up.

The money came from Government, GAA and Leinster council.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 10:27:30 PM
I read nothing in that about taxpayers money!
Also I read this-
He praised the Leinster Council for their generosity in backing the initiative, as they also had to take into account 11 other counties in the province.
How much money did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

The money came from Government, GAA and Leinster council.

No it didn't I'm afraid. The DCB committed 2.5m to 3m of its own resources to the project. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. We're allowed invest our own monies I take it. Do we have to run that past you as well?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
Can somebody answer me a question? Why do people think it's ok for Dublin to receive 7 million to implement a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'?

Because they serve the biggest % of the GAA membership, they generate the most gate receipts for the GAA, simple as.

They get the biggest cut from gate receipts. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEVEN MILLION I AM TALKING ABOUT. With gate receipts everyone gets something, the 7 million plan was for 1 county only.

There is no suggestion to where the money came from, taxpayer, lotto funds or GAA, maybe go find this out before mouthing off.

Social responsibility, look it up.

The money came from Government, GAA and Leinster council.
can you provide proof of government money used?
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park ?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 10:30:26 PM
Can somebody answer me a question? Why do people think it's ok for Dublin to receive 7 million to implement a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'?

Because they serve the biggest % of the GAA membership, they generate the most gate receipts for the GAA, simple as.

They get the biggest cut from gate receipts. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SEVEN MILLION I AM TALKING ABOUT. With gate receipts everyone gets something, the 7 million plan was for 1 county only.

There is no suggestion to where the money came from, taxpayer, lotto funds or GAA, maybe go find this out before mouthing off.

Social responsibility, look it up.

The money came from Government, GAA and Leinster council.
can you provide proof of government money used?
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park ?

Ask him how much the DCB committed to the project because I can guarantee you he doesn't know.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:31:06 PM
I read nothing in that about taxpayers money!
Also I read this-
He praised the Leinster Council for their generosity in backing the initiative, as they also had to take into account 11 other counties in the province.
How much money did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

The money came from Government, GAA and Leinster council.

No it didn't I'm afraid. The DCB committed 2.5m to 3m of its own resources to the project. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. We're allowed invest our own monies I take it. Do we have to run that past you as well?

 ;D Hang on a minute! Weren't you denying the 7 millions existence earlier today?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on September 25, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
I read nothing in that about taxpayers money!
Also I read this-
He praised the Leinster Council for their generosity in backing the initiative, as they also had to take into account 11 other counties in the province.
How much money did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park?

The money came from Government, GAA and Leinster council.

No it didn't I'm afraid. The DCB committed 2.5m to 3m of its own resources to the project. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. We're allowed invest our own monies I take it. Do we have to run that past you as well?

 ;D Hang on a minute! Weren't you denying the 7 millions existence earlier today?

And you don't seem to have one clue what your are talking about!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:36:05 PM
Ask him how much the DCB committed to the project because I can guarantee you he doesn't know.

DCB committed about 1.5 million. Government 3 million, the GAA 1.6 million and the Leinster council the rest.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:37:37 PM
And you don't seem to have one clue what your are talking about!

You were another one questioning the 7 millions existence not so long ago.  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 10:39:08 PM
Ask him how much the DCB committed to the project because I can guarantee you he doesn't know.

DCB committed about 1.5 million. Government 3 million, the GAA 1.6 million and the Leinster council the rest.
do you have proof of this or are plucking these figures out of the sky?
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park ?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
Ask him how much the DCB committed to the project because I can guarantee you he doesn't know.

DCB committed about 1.5 million. Government 3 million, the GAA 1.6 million and the Leinster council the rest.
do you have proof of this or are plucking these figures out of the sky?
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park ?

Nope he's pulling them off an Examiner Article from 2004. Just google it. This is all a proposal in the article.

If anyone thinks the Govt gave Dublin GAA 3m they need to go to Portrane.

The facts of the situation are we don't receive any monies off anyone except Croke Park and the Leinster Council similar to all other counties.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:42:50 PM
Ask him how much the DCB committed to the project because I can guarantee you he doesn't know.

DCB committed about 1.5 million. Government 3 million, the GAA 1.6 million and the Leinster council the rest.
do you have proof of this or are plucking these figures out of the sky?
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park ?

This was all anounced years ago. It's fact. I can't get you receipts but it's all on record somewhere if you want to search.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 10:46:50 PM
Nope he's pulling them off an Examiner Article from 2004. Just google it. This is all a proposal in the article.

If anyone thinks the Govt gave Dublin GAA 3m they need to go to Portrane.

The facts of the situation are we don't receive any monies off anyone except Croke Park and the Leinster Council similar to all other counties.

I have no Emaminer article. This information was all released at the time. Bertie gave the Dubs funding and they are taking advantage of it.
This Indiana fellow was denying the existence of the 7 million earlier, now that he can't deny that anymore he is trying to say most of the money came from themselves and the Leinster council. He will come up with a new story once he can't repeat those lies.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 10:50:01 PM
Nope he's pulling them off an Examiner Article from 2004. Just google it. This is all a proposal in the article.

If anyone thinks the Govt gave Dublin GAA 3m they need to go to Portrane.

The facts of the situation are we don't receive any monies off anyone except Croke Park and the Leinster Council similar to all other counties.

I have no Emaminer article. This information was all released at the time. Bertie gave the Dubs funding and they are taking advantage of it.
This Indiana fellow was denying the existence of the 7 million earlier, now that he can't deny that anymore he is trying to say most of the money came from themselves and the Leinster council. He will come up with a new story once he can't repeat those lies.

There is no fudging the issue from me.

You started off the thread by saying we got 7m from the Govt. That now has been conclusively proven to be a lie.

You then started saying that the DCB got a free handout with no contribution from the DCB or their clubs. That has also been proven to be untrue.

You've now had to climb down and admit that we got the alleged money from 3 different sources. One of whom was the DCB!

All I'm saying is we didn't get 3M off the Govt. Any funding we receive is in line with GAA Protocol the same as any other county.

So you're on quicksand at this stage.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 10:52:06 PM
Ask him how much the DCB committed to the project because I can guarantee you he doesn't know.

DCB committed about 1.5 million. Government 3 million, the GAA 1.6 million and the Leinster council the rest.
do you have proof of this or are plucking these figures out of the sky?
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopment of OMoore Park ?

This was all anounced years ago. It's fact. I can't get you receipts but it's all on record somewhere if you want to search.
why should I search when you are the one making the accusations! It's your responsibility to back up your claims or retract ! So far you have done neither!
Are you by any chance blinded by self hatred that manifests itself in the detestation of witnessing the success of others?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 11:01:14 PM
There is no fudging the issue from me.

You started off the thread by saying we got 7m from the Govt. That now has been conclusively proven to be a lie.

You then started saying that the DCB got a free handout with no contribution from the DCB or their clubs. That has also been proven to be untrue.

You've now had to climb down and admit that we got the alleged money from 3 different sources. One of whom was the DCB!

All I'm saying is we didn't get 3M off the Govt. Any funding we receive is in line with GAA Protocol the same as any other county.

So you're on quicksand at this stage.

I did not, I said they have received 7 million and provided quotes from Bertie and Seán Kelly at the launch. The GAA giving huge money towards this plan is no better than receiving it from the government. In fact some might see it as worse.

I never said anything about what the DCB did or didn't do until the last page.

I haven't had to climb down in fact I'm pretty sure I told you the last time we had this discussion about who were the sources of th money. Maybe it was one of the other Dubs.

You did get 3 million off the government and receiving money of the GAA that had nothing to do with the general spread of resources is wrong. No one else got this special treatment.

The only thing on quicksand is Dublin playing as 1, the split is on the way.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 11:03:51 PM
why should I search when you are the one making the accusations! It's your responsibility to back up your claims or retract ! So far you have done neither!
Are you by any chance blinded by self hatred that manifests itself in the detestation of witnessing the success of others?

Still sticking with the jealousy line, the 7 million existed, you now accept that. You will have to accept where the funding came from also.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 25, 2013, 11:09:15 PM
why should I search when you are the one making the accusations! It's your responsibility to back up your claims or retract ! So far you have done neither!
Are you by any chance blinded by self hatred that manifests itself in the detestation of witnessing the success of others?

Still sticking with the jealousy line, the 7 million existed, you now accept that. You will have to accept where the funding came from also.
your previous post shows your dishonesty when put beside your original post.
How much did the Irish government give Dublin gaa?
Your thread starting post claims Bertie and co gave Dublin 7 million! You backed this up with a newspaper article about its launch yet show nothing on its implementation! People aren't stupid!
How much did Laois Recieve for the redevelopement of OMoore park?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 11:18:07 PM
why should I search when you are the one making the accusations! It's your responsibility to back up your claims or retract ! So far you have done neither!
Are you by any chance blinded by self hatred that manifests itself in the detestation of witnessing the success of others?

Still sticking with the jealousy line, the 7 million existed, you now accept that. You will have to accept where the funding came from also.
your previous post shows your dishonesty when put beside your original post.
How much did the Irish government give Dublin gaa?
Your thread starting post claims Bertie and co gave Dublin 7 million! You backed this up with a newspaper article about its launch yet show nothing on its implementation! People aren't stupid!
How much did Laois Recieve for the redevelopement of OMoore park?

The government gave 3 million, it was a 7 million plan to make Dublin the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'. That's a quote from Seán Kelly, he helped with the set up of the plan. It was mutually beneficial. I have never tried to hide the GAA were part of this plan as why would I? It doesn't make it any better that some of the money came from the GAA.
That's also why I said earlier the GAA should stop thinking of it's pockets for once and make Gaelic football and hurling fair games again. Split Dublin and spread funding equally, also cap what can be spent o senior inter county teams.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 11:19:31 PM
There is no fudging the issue from me.

You started off the thread by saying we got 7m from the Govt. That now has been conclusively proven to be a lie.

You then started saying that the DCB got a free handout with no contribution from the DCB or their clubs. That has also been proven to be untrue.

You've now had to climb down and admit that we got the alleged money from 3 different sources. One of whom was the DCB!

All I'm saying is we didn't get 3M off the Govt. Any funding we receive is in line with GAA Protocol the same as any other county.

So you're on quicksand at this stage.

I did not, I said they have received 7 million and provided quotes from Bertie and Seán Kelly at the launch. The GAA giving huge money towards this plan is no better than receiving it from the government. In fact some might see it as worse.

I never said anything about what the DCB did or didn't do until the last page.

I haven't had to climb down in fact I'm pretty sure I told you the last time we had this discussion about who were the sources of th money. Maybe it was one of the other Dubs.

You did get 3 million off the government and receiving money of the GAA that had nothing to do with the general spread of resources is wrong. No one else got this special treatment.

The only thing on quicksand is Dublin playing as 1, the split is on the way.

Sorry do you or do you not admit that your original assertion of us getting 7m of taxpayer's money was untrue.

How do you know we received 3m of Govt money. Give me proof and I'll believe you . I promise!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 25, 2013, 11:28:24 PM
Sorry do you or do you not admit that your original assertion of us getting 7m of taxpayer's money was untrue.

How do you know we received 3m of Govt money. Give me proof and I'll believe you . I promise!

Where did I say the 7 million was from taxpayers money? If I did it's not what I meant. Without the backing of the government the plan couldn't have went ahead, they needed the extra funds. The deal was under negotiation for about 2 years.

It will be in government records or something, I don't know where to search for them. It was 2005 so I don't know i it was announced in the budget or where.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 25, 2013, 11:45:36 PM
Sorry do you or do you not admit that your original assertion of us getting 7m of taxpayer's money was untrue.

How do you know we received 3m of Govt money. Give me proof and I'll believe you . I promise!

Where did I say the 7 million was from taxpayers money? If I did it's not what I meant. Without the backing of the government the plan couldn't have went ahead, they needed the extra funds. The deal was under negotiation for about 2 years.

It will be in government records or something, I don't know where to search for them. It was 2005 so I don't know i it was announced in the budget or where.

Good night Walter Mitty
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 25, 2013, 11:51:58 PM
The only thing on quicksand is Dublin playing as 1, the split is on the way.

Citation needed.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 26, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
Looks like the poll is telling us what we already new. The money should not have been given to Dublin and now they must suffer the consequences.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 27, 2013, 12:03:48 AM
*snore*
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Canalman on September 27, 2013, 12:28:40 AM
Sorry do you or do you not admit that your original assertion of us getting 7m of taxpayer's money was untrue.

How do you know we received 3m of Govt money. Give me proof and I'll believe you . I promise!

Where did I say the 7 million was from taxpayers money? If I did it's not what I meant. Without the backing of the government the plan couldn't have went ahead, they needed the extra funds. The deal was under negotiation for about 2 years.

It will be in government records or something, I don't know where to search for them. It was 2005 so I don't know i it was announced in the budget or where.

Hoisted on one's own petard.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 27, 2013, 12:50:38 AM
I admire the spirit of Don't Matter. He is a streetfighter. 

The €7m breakdown however is all over the shop.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dirk Diggler on September 27, 2013, 01:10:42 AM
Nope he's pulling them off an Examiner Article from 2004. Just google it. This is all a proposal in the article.

If anyone thinks the Govt gave Dublin GAA 3m they need to go to Portrane.

The facts of the situation are we don't receive any monies off anyone except Croke Park and the Leinster Council similar to all other counties.

I have no Emaminer article. This information was all released at the time. Bertie gave the Dubs funding and they are taking advantage of it.
This Indiana fellow was denying the existence of the 7 million earlier, now that he can't deny that anymore he is trying to say most of the money came from themselves and the Leinster council. He will come up with a new story once he can't repeat those lies.

There is no fudging the issue from me.

You started off the thread by saying we got 7m from the Govt. That now has been conclusively proven to be a lie.

You then started saying that the DCB got a free handout with no contribution from the DCB or their clubs. That has also been proven to be untrue.

You've now had to climb down and admit that we got the alleged money from 3 different sources. One of whom was the DCB!

All I'm saying is we didn't get 3M off the Govt. Any funding we receive is in line with GAA Protocol the same as any other county.

So you're on quicksand at this stage.

Hang on a second, what exactly have your angry denials  "proven " ?

Now I don't want Dublin to be split, every county has an identity and any subdivision of Dublin  would be an artifice and a disaster which I don't want to ever see. But I do want to know more about the taxpayers money going to  Dublin GAA at the behest of traitor criminal Dublin scum like Bertie Ahern.

Have you an answer , not just an angry denial,   about the money going to Dublin GAA from the Irish Sports Council which was the basis of this article (which I have helpfully included a link to for you to read)? Please note that the Irish Sports Council is a body entirely funded by the taxpayer and the article relates to the €6m that Dublin GAA  had received by 2011. 


http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/dublin-answer-6m-question-26759948.html
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: johnneycool on September 27, 2013, 10:43:49 AM
How much government funding did Clare get for their development plans in the hurling?

Surely their strength at underage and now senior must have cost a packet as you can't do that with just good planning a prudent use of resources?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 27, 2013, 11:08:28 AM
The creator of this thread claims Dublin have an advantage due to money invested in the county in comparison to other counties yet when he is asked about funding for other counties he cannot or will not provide information which proves he is on a small minded bigoted anti Dublin crusade.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 27, 2013, 11:29:40 AM
Stop giving oxygen to this guy.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on September 27, 2013, 12:25:33 PM
Looks like the poll is telling us what we already new. The money should not have been given to Dublin and now they must suffer the consequences.

You are one sad individual.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on September 27, 2013, 03:09:43 PM
Firstly I don't believe in splitting Dublin.

But if the plan is to get everybody on an even footing what would people think of this

Dublin North
Dublin South
Meath/Louth
Offaly/Laois
Longford/Westmeath
Kildare/Wicklow
Wexford/Carlow/Kilkenny/Waterford
Cork
Kerry
Limerick/Tipperary
Mayo
Galway
Sligo/Leitrim
Roscommon/Fermanagh
Antrim/Down
Donegal
Derry/Armagh
Tyrone
Cavan/Monaghan

I know how most of you will feel about the thought of your county amalgamating with another county, well thats how people from Dublin would think of a split.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: deiseach on September 27, 2013, 03:15:14 PM
I know how most of you will feel about the thought of your county amalgamating with another county, well thats how people from Dublin would think of a split.

Touché
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on September 27, 2013, 03:18:26 PM
The question of amalgamation is a different issue. I suspect either amalgamation or some sort of second tier is needed.

However, can the anti-splitists please address the point I made above. If an area become more populous then a region formerely served by one club can come to be served by two (or more), how is this OK and splitting a county not OK? Is a club less important than a county?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on September 27, 2013, 03:30:44 PM
The question of amalgamation is a different issue. I suspect either amalgamation or some sort of second tier is needed.

However, can the anti-splitists please address the point I made above. If an area become more populous then a region formerely served by one club can come to be served by two (or more), how is this OK and splitting a county not OK? Is a club less important than a county?

Your theory doesn't stand up. Clubs are there for enable the local population enjoy the GAA.  County teams are representative teams, nothing else as they only cater for elite players. The fact is that Dublin could probably field 2 teams capable of winning the AI, but the people in Dublin GAA would have no interest in supporting them. I don't see how amalgamation is a different issue. The reason you want Dublin to split is that you perceive they have an unfair advantage. Well amalgamating smaller counties would give them a better selection to pick from. Whats the difference. Oh wait, you don't want to break with tradition, well neither do Dublin.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: deiseach on September 27, 2013, 03:31:13 PM
However, can the anti-splitists please address the point I made above. If an area become more populous then a region formerely served by one club can come to be served by two (or more), how is this OK and splitting a county not OK? Is a club less important than a county?

Bit of a loaded question there. Why should being in favour of splitting clubs but not in favour of splitting counties imply that you think the the latter are more important than the former?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: rodney trotter on September 27, 2013, 03:40:09 PM
Firstly I don't believe in splitting Dublin.

But if the plan is to get everybody on an even footing what would people think of this

Dublin North
Dublin South
Meath/Louth
Offaly/Laois
Longford/Westmeath
Kildare/Wicklow
Wexford/Carlow/Kilkenny/Waterford
Cork
Kerry
Limerick/Tipperary
Mayo
Galway
Sligo/Leitrim
Roscommon/Fermanagh
Antrim/Down
Donegal
Derry/Armagh
Tyrone
Cavan/Monaghan

I know how most of you will feel about the thought of your county amalgamating with another county, well thats how people from Dublin would think of a split.

There is no border between Derry/Armagh or Fermangh/Roscommon.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on September 27, 2013, 03:55:32 PM
Firstly I don't believe in splitting Dublin.

But if the plan is to get everybody on an even footing what would people think of this

Dublin North
Dublin South
Meath/Louth
Offaly/Laois
Longford/Westmeath
Kildare/Wicklow
Wexford/Carlow/Kilkenny/Waterford
Cork
Kerry
Limerick/Tipperary
Mayo
Galway
Sligo/Leitrim
Roscommon/Fermanagh
Antrim/Down
Donegal
Derry/Armagh
Tyrone
Cavan/Monaghan

I know how most of you will feel about the thought of your county amalgamating with another county, well thats how people from Dublin would think of a split.

There is no border between Derry/Armagh or Fermangh/Roscommon.

I'm aware of that, its just an example. I wouldn't take it too seriously
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: rodney trotter on September 27, 2013, 04:00:59 PM
Firstly I don't believe in splitting Dublin.

But if the plan is to get everybody on an even footing what would people think of this

Dublin North
Dublin South
Meath/Louth
Offaly/Laois
Longford/Westmeath
Kildare/Wicklow
Wexford/Carlow/Kilkenny/Waterford
Cork
Kerry
Limerick/Tipperary
Mayo
Galway
Sligo/Leitrim
Roscommon/Fermanagh
Antrim/Down
Donegal
Derry/Armagh
Tyrone
Cavan/Monaghan

I know how most of you will feel about the thought of your county amalgamating with another county, well thats how people from Dublin would think of a split.

There is no border between Derry/Armagh or Fermangh/Roscommon.

I'm aware of that, its just an example. I wouldn't take it too seriously

No panic, I don't think amalgamations at County level would ever work, bar the North/South split if that were to ever happen in Dublin.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bingo on September 27, 2013, 04:11:17 PM
Firstly I don't believe in splitting Dublin.

But if the plan is to get everybody on an even footing what would people think of this

Dublin North
Dublin South
Meath/Louth
Offaly/Laois
Longford/Westmeath
Kildare/Wicklow
Wexford/Carlow/Kilkenny/Waterford
Cork
Kerry
Limerick/Tipperary
Mayo
Galway
Sligo/Leitrim
Roscommon/Fermanagh
Antrim/Down
Donegal
Derry/Armagh
Tyrone
Cavan/Monaghan
I know how most of you will feel about the thought of your county amalgamating with another county, well thats how people from Dublin would think of a split.

Ulster Champs at Minor and Senior, Ulster Minor League Winners, NFL Div 3 winners, McKenna Cup Runner up, and thats before I get started on the Women.

FFS you should be looking at splitting Monaghan, not joining us up with Cavan who'd work it somehow that we'd end up paying all the bills and they'll host all the games.  ;)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 27, 2013, 08:35:47 PM
Why does this always happen? No one can debate about the money Dublin has received so they turn to talking about amalgamations, other counties and of course the inevitable personal abuse.
I know it's not nice for the Dubs to face the reality that they wouldn't have won any All Ireland recently and would still be also rans in hurling if not for this money but they'll just have to face facts.

Once we sort out this splitting of Dublin, sort out financial issues in plenty of counties and put a cap on the amount spent on inter county teams then we will have fair game once more in inter county football.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 27, 2013, 09:32:25 PM
Why does this always happen? No one can debate about the money Dublin has received so they turn to talking about amalgamations, other counties and of course the inevitable personal abuse.
I know it's not nice for the Dubs to face the reality that they wouldn't have won any All Ireland recently and would still be also rans in hurling if not for this money but they'll just have to face facts.

Once we sort out this splitting of Dublin, sort out financial issues in plenty of counties and put a cap on the amount spent on inter county teams then we will have fair game once more in inter county football.
i think you need to take a dump
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Hill is Blue on September 27, 2013, 09:58:39 PM
Why does this always happen? No one can debate about the money Dublin has received so they turn to talking about amalgamations, other counties and of course the inevitable personal abuse.
I know it's not nice for the Dubs to face the reality that they wouldn't have won any All Ireland recently and would still be also rans in hurling if not for this money but they'll just have to face facts.

Once we sort out this splitting of Dublin, sort out financial issues in plenty of counties and put a cap on the amount spent on inter county teams then we will have fair game once more in inter county football.


Championes, Championes, Ole, Ole, Ole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Rkl60P_yk
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on September 28, 2013, 12:05:17 AM
Why does this always happen? No one can debate about the money Dublin has received so they turn to talking about amalgamations, other counties and of course the inevitable personal abuse.
I know it's not nice for the Dubs to face the reality that they wouldn't have won any All Ireland recently and would still be also rans in hurling if not for this money but they'll just have to face facts.

Once we sort out this splitting of Dublin, sort out financial issues in plenty of counties and put a cap on the amount spent on inter county teams then we will have fair game once more in inter county football.

One thing you have going for you is your username, the most appropriate one on the forum
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rodman on September 28, 2013, 12:12:58 AM
Why does this always happen? No one can debate about the money Dublin has received so they turn to talking about amalgamations, other counties and of course the inevitable personal abuse.
I know it's not nice for the Dubs to face the reality that they wouldn't have won any All Ireland recently and would still be also rans in hurling if not for this money but they'll just have to face facts.

Once we sort out this splitting of Dublin, sort out financial issues in plenty of counties and put a cap on the amount spent on inter county teams then we will have fair game once more in inter county football.

Please explain the connection between Dublin getting 7m and calling for them to split. There are loads of other counties that have spent far less and are more successful. Dublin will never dominate GAA no matter how much money they spend.
Maybe Dublin got the money to help them compete with other sports in the City. There is not the  same level of competition between sports as there is in Dublin.
As I said before, your argument about splitting Dublin is nonsense. 
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 28, 2013, 10:27:52 AM
Why does this always happen? No one can debate about the money Dublin has received so they turn to talking about amalgamations, other counties and of course the inevitable personal abuse.
I know it's not nice for the Dubs to face the reality that they wouldn't have won any All Ireland recently and would still be also rans in hurling if not for this money but they'll just have to face facts.

Once we sort out this splitting of Dublin, sort out financial issues in plenty of counties and put a cap on the amount spent on inter county teams then we will have fair game once more in inter county football.
your not behind the door when it comes to personal abuse! Would you like to comment on Tyrone's centre of excellence which opens today at a cost of, wait for it, €7000000
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: muppet on September 28, 2013, 01:14:11 PM
Cold Tea, do you have a sister called Hot Tea?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 02:15:09 PM
I posted this:

Why does this always happen? No one can debate about the money Dublin has received so they turn to talking about amalgamations, other counties and of course the inevitable personal abuse.

Then along comes:
i think you need to take a dump

Championes, Championes, Ole, Ole, Ole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6Rkl60P_yk

One thing you have going for you is your username, the most appropriate one on the forum

your not behind the door when it comes to personal abuse! Would you like to comment on Tyrone's centre of excellence which opens today at a cost of, wait for it, €7000000

 ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on September 28, 2013, 02:21:31 PM
I give up.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 02:30:36 PM
Please explain the connection between Dublin getting 7m and calling for them to split. There are loads of other counties that have spent far less and are more successful. Dublin will never dominate GAA no matter how much money they spend.
Maybe Dublin got the money to help them compete with other sports in the City. There is not the  same level of competition between sports as there is in Dublin.
As I said before, your argument about splitting Dublin is nonsense.

They have spent the money, it can't be unspent. This is not like the other advantages Dublin have, this money has bought them 2 senior All Irelands, a serious upturn in hurling (including their first real Leinster title) and a complete turn around at underage level.
If it was a 100 metre race, nearly everyone else is beginning on the start line while Dublin are on the 70 metre line. The fact that they've still lost that race numerous times is an embarrassment to them but this situation is unfair.
That's why they have to be split, it's the only solution. We play an amateur sport that's meant to be based on fair play. Dublin are competing contrary to this. Some people mightn't think splitting Dublin is the answer but it's clear everyone realises something needs to be done.
Let everyone compete for Provincial and All Ireland honours fairly.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 02:32:49 PM
I give up.

Of course you do, it can't be debated. As the poll here shows, everyone agrees that something needs to be done with Dublin as they've been bought sucess. The only question is what, I think it should be splitting but others have other ideas.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Gael85 on September 28, 2013, 02:55:44 PM
I give up.

Of course you do, it can't be debated. As the poll here shows, everyone agrees that something needs to be done with Dublin as they've been bought sucess. The only question is what, I think it should be splitting but others have other ideas.

I think you need to get that chip off your shoulder buddy,what county are you from?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 28, 2013, 02:57:32 PM
How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopement of OMoore park?

Any comment on Tyrone's centre if excellence ? 7 million i think it cost!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 03:18:06 PM
I think you need to get that chip off your shoulder buddy,what county are you from?

How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopement of OMoore park?

Any comment on Tyrone's centre if excellence ? 7 million i think it cost!

5 people have voted that it's fair that Dublin were bought success but no one has come up with an argument for why it was fair. All we've had is personal abuse and people talking about other counties. Clear evidence that this can't be debated. It was indisputably unfair so now for Dublins punishment.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 28, 2013, 03:32:32 PM
I think you need to get that chip off your shoulder buddy,what county are you from?

How much did Laois recieve for the redevelopement of OMoore park?

Any comment on Tyrone's centre if excellence ? 7 million i think it cost!

5 people have voted that it's fair that Dublin were bought success but no one has come up with an argument for why it was fair. All we've had is personal abuse and people talking about other counties. Clear evidence that this can't be debated. It was indisputably unfair so now for Dublins punishment.
you had editorial control when wording the poll.
You once claimed I couldn't write because I had to go and get my fix of heroine !
You are the one that doesn't want to debate! Money given to other counties has a bearing in this discussion due to the reason you give for splitting Dublin is because they have a financial advantage over other counties yet when financial details of money's given to other counties arise you fail to acknowledge!

Would you care to comment on Tyrone's centre of excellence which cost 7million
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Flutehook on September 28, 2013, 03:39:09 PM

5 people have voted that it's fair that Dublin were bought success.....

Given how poorly worded your question is you can't know that....

Given your constant assertion that Dublin did get €7 million you, for example, could be one of the 5 using the 'correct' interpretation of right rather than a 'fair' or 'just' one.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 03:44:11 PM
you had editorial control when wording the poll.
You once claimed I couldn't write because I had to go and get my fix of heroine !
You are the one that doesn't want to debate! Money given to other counties has a bearing in this discussion due to the reason you give for splitting Dublin is because they have a financial advantage over other counties yet when financial details of money's given to other counties arise you fail to acknowledge!

Would you care to comment on Tyrone's centre of excellence which cost 7million

Dublin got millions in a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'.  The poll asks was that fair and the results are indesputable.
Other issues about money for grounds etc are irrelevent to this. Every county gets those, only one county got millions for them to dominate GAA.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 03:46:01 PM
Given how poorly worded your question is you can't know that....

Given your constant assertion that Dublin did get €7 million you, for example, could be one of the 5 using the 'correct' interpretation of right rather than a 'fair' or 'just' one.

I haven't got a clue what you're trying to say.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Flutehook on September 28, 2013, 03:58:44 PM
Given how poorly worded your question is you can't know that....

Given your constant assertion that Dublin did get €7 million you, for example, could be one of the 5 using the 'correct' interpretation of right rather than a 'fair' or 'just' one.

I haven't got a clue what you're trying to say.



It's not that difficult to grasp - try reading it a few times again...maybe 7 million times.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on September 28, 2013, 04:05:55 PM
you had editorial control when wording the poll.
You once claimed I couldn't write because I had to go and get my fix of heroine !
You are the one that doesn't want to debate! Money given to other counties has a bearing in this discussion due to the reason you give for splitting Dublin is because they have a financial advantage over other counties yet when financial details of money's given to other counties arise you fail to acknowledge!

Would you care to comment on Tyrone's centre of excellence which cost 7million

Dublin got millions in a plan to make them the 'greatest GAA county in Ireland'.  The poll asks was that fair and the results are indesputable.
Other issues about money for grounds etc are irrelevent to this. Every county gets those, only one county got millions for them to dominate GAA.
can you see a downside for the GAA as a whole if Dublin were to split ?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 04:15:31 PM
Given how poorly worded your question is you can't know that....

Given your constant assertion that Dublin did get €7 million you, for example, could be one of the 5 using the 'correct' interpretation of right rather than a 'fair' or 'just' one.

I haven't got a clue what you're trying to say.



It's not that difficult to grasp - try reading it a few times again...maybe 7 million times.

Maybe you should read the poll question a similar amount of times.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 04:16:13 PM
can you see a downside for the GAA as a whole if Dublin were to split ?

No and I see it as the only fair solution.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Flutehook on September 28, 2013, 04:29:20 PM

Maybe you should read the poll question a similar amount of times.

Don't need to bud - you framed it with a silly ambiguity in it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 28, 2013, 04:37:00 PM
Given how poorly worded your question is you can't know that....

Given your constant assertion that Dublin did get €7 million you, for example, could be one of the 5 using the 'correct' interpretation of right rather than a 'fair' or 'just' one.

I haven't got a clue what you're trying to say.



It's not that difficult to grasp - try reading it a few times again...maybe 7 million times.

Maybe you should read the poll question a similar amount of times.

still waiting for your repsonse on tyrone's new centre.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 28, 2013, 05:42:34 PM
Tyrone put up half the price of it themselves - fund raising from their own supporters.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 07:36:54 PM

Maybe you should read the poll question a similar amount of times.

Don't need to bud - you framed it with a silly ambiguity in it.

Don't cry cause you don't like the result.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 28, 2013, 07:42:49 PM
still waiting for your repsonse on tyrone's new centre.

Tyrone put up half the price of it themselves - fund raising from their own supporters.

If you want to discuss Tyrone start a new thread and you'll might get answers like Rossfan posted or maybe other people will answer your queries.
It seems this is all the Dubs have left though doesn't it? They realise they have received a huge unfair advantage, they realise they have been bought success, they can't argue against it so all they can do is try (and fail) to paint other counties in a similar light.



Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 28, 2013, 08:01:30 PM
Tyrone put up half the price of it themselves - fund raising from their own supporters.

so - so have we all. i want to know what he thinks about them getting govt funding
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Flutehook on September 28, 2013, 08:31:00 PM


Don't cry cause you don't like the result.

The 'result' is irrelevant because of the ambiguity in the question - were you asking if it was fair that we got €7 million? Or were you asking if it is correct that we got €7 million?

Cry you Say!!?? Yes, but only tears of joy at the pleasant memories of the long evenings in the jacuzzi, with the leggy east-European 'physical therapists' of course, that our club spent its share of the €7 mill on!

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 29, 2013, 10:30:29 AM
Tyrone put up half the price of it themselves - fund raising from their own supporters.

so - so have we all. i want to know what he thinks about them getting govt funding

Start a thread on it.

The 'result' is irrelevant because of the ambiguity in the question - were you asking if it was fair that we got €7 million? Or were you asking if it is correct that we got €7 million?

Cry you Say!!?? Yes, but only tears of joy at the pleasant memories of the long evenings in the jacuzzi, with the leggy east-European 'physical therapists' of course, that our club spent its share of the €7 mill on!



I hope you cover up your track marks when you're in the jacuzzi.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 29, 2013, 10:45:07 AM
Did anyone hear Eugene McGee on the radio this morning? On today fm. He was talking about Dublin having unlimited money and having a 19 member backroom team. He also mentioned reading about splitting Dublin on message forums. He has obviously been reading the great Don't Matter.
Eugene I have a new championship proposal also that would revolutionise Gaelic Football, radical to the core. I'll be in contact soon about it.

Don't Matters message is hitting the airwaves boys, it's going big time. Marty Morrisey rang looking for an interview but I told him I'm waiting for the Late Late to call. Soon Don't Matter will solve all the issues of the GAA, Dublin will be split, the league and championship format will outstand and amaze all. People will be calling for Don't Matter to get the big job; President of the GAA. El Presidente Don't Matter!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rodman on September 29, 2013, 11:31:13 AM
Please explain the connection between Dublin getting 7m and calling for them to split. There are loads of other counties that have spent far less and are more successful. Dublin will never dominate GAA no matter how much money they spend.
Maybe Dublin got the money to help them compete with other sports in the City. There is not the  same level of competition between sports as there is in Dublin.
As I said before, your argument about splitting Dublin is nonsense.

They have spent the money, it can't be unspent. This is not like the other advantages Dublin have, this money has bought them 2 senior All Irelands, a serious upturn in hurling (including their first real Leinster title) and a complete turn around at underage level.
If it was a 100 metre race, nearly everyone else is beginning on the start line while Dublin are on the 70 metre line. The fact that they've still lost that race numerous times is an embarrassment to them but this situation is unfair.
That's why they have to be split, it's the only solution. We play an amateur sport that's meant to be based on fair play. Dublin are competing contrary to this. Some people mightn't think splitting Dublin is the answer but it's clear everyone realises something needs to be done.
Let everyone compete for Provincial and All Ireland honours fairly.

You still don't make sense. All this money has done is put the GAA in Dubljn on a par with soccer & rugby in the Capital and ensures Dublin are not loosing young talent to other sports. This money has not and never will make them the dominate force in GAA you seem to think they are. Why don't we split Kerry/Tyrone/Cork as they are and always will be more successful than Dublin. Dublin have nothing like the setup that the likes if Tyrone have. It's up the each county board to fight for and secure their own funding for the development if the games in their county. To call for Dublin to split because they won 2 all Ireland's is nonsense. You obviously just don't like the dubs, as this is the worst argument I have ever read in this board.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Orchardman on September 29, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
I's say this guy didn't come cheap for the dubs! Time for Don't Matter to investigate this set up!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/champions-secret-weapon-29618504.html
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Mike Sheehy on September 29, 2013, 04:07:09 PM
I's say this guy didn't come cheap for the dubs! Time for Don't Matter to investigate this set up!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/champions-secret-weapon-29618504.html

Oh god, here we go. This reminds me of gaa journalism circa Armaghs win in 2002

"McConville and McGeeney sat in the canteen watching Bridgid make the tea. They knew the sacrifices she had made. In the clubhouse three hours before each training session.Not home till midnight. They knew the tough choices she had to make. Lyons or Barrys, Lyons or Barrys....the intensity of it all....how  it kept her awake at night. To others it was just a cuppa... but McGeeney knew. McConville knew. Brigid knew. It was not just a cuppa.It was the cuppa that would bring Sam home so they could drink from him one more time.The ultimate cuppa "
<picture of Brigid looking flinty eyed at the camera>
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on September 29, 2013, 04:54:57 PM
Did anyone hear Eugene McGee on the radio this morning? On today fm. He was talking about Dublin having unlimited money and having a 19 member backroom team. He also mentioned reading about splitting Dublin on message forums. He has obviously been reading the great Don't Matter.
Eugene I have a new championship proposal also that would revolutionise Gaelic Football, radical to the core. I'll be in contact soon about it.

Don't Matters message is hitting the airwaves boys, it's going big time. Marty Morrisey rang looking for an interview but I told him I'm waiting for the Late Late to call. Soon Don't Matter will solve all the issues of the GAA, Dublin will be split, the league and championship format will outstand and amaze all. People will be calling for Don't Matter to get the big job; President of the GAA. El Presidente Don't Matter!

You're probably him! You're certainly as delusional as he is
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 30, 2013, 11:16:05 PM
I's say this guy didn't come cheap for the dubs! Time for Don't Matter to investigate this set up!

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/champions-secret-weapon-29618504.html

I'll get onto it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on September 30, 2013, 11:22:51 PM
You're probably him! You're certainly as delusional as he is

I wouldn't be Eugenes greatest fan but the man knows what's what when discussing the Dubs. The lack of talk about the amount of money available to Dublin amongst the media is disapointing. They're more concerned with getting interviews than doing their jobs. Maybe a Prime Time special report is needed, investigate this scam, show all the gory details. There's more than just financial cheating going on!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Eamonnca1 on October 01, 2013, 12:25:52 AM
Bit of a serious allegation. Got any proof of that? Why don't you tell PrimeTime everything you know? In fact why do you need them to investigate? You have all the evidence.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on October 01, 2013, 09:29:54 AM
You're probably him! You're certainly as delusional as he is

I wouldn't be Eugenes greatest fan but the man knows what's what when discussing the Dubs. The lack of talk about the amount of money available to Dublin amongst the media is disapointing. They're more concerned with getting interviews than doing their jobs. Maybe a Prime Time special report is needed, investigate this scam, show all the gory details. There's more than just financial cheating going on!
your being a bit silly now!
How much did Laois get for the redevelopment of OMoore Park ?  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on October 01, 2013, 12:25:29 PM
Did anyone hear Eugene McGee on the radio this morning? On today fm. He was talking about Dublin having unlimited money and having a 19 member backroom team. He also mentioned reading about splitting Dublin on message forums. He has obviously been reading the great Don't Matter.
Eugene I have a new championship proposal also that would revolutionise Gaelic Football, radical to the core. I'll be in contact soon about it.

Don't Matters message is hitting the airwaves boys, it's going big time. Marty Morrisey rang looking for an interview but I told him I'm waiting for the Late Late to call. Soon Don't Matter will solve all the issues of the GAA, Dublin will be split, the league and championship format will outstand and amaze all. People will be calling for Don't Matter to get the big job; President of the GAA. El Presidente Don't Matter!

Why are you talking like a wrestler?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Mike Sheehy on October 01, 2013, 12:28:40 PM
You know what is even more unjust ? The way Nordie teams get money from the British government AND the GAA. This surely gives them a huge advantage over southern teams. I think if you took away that funding they'd have no AI in recent years.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lone Shark on October 01, 2013, 01:13:29 PM
It's in everyone's interests that Dublin remains a single county, no rational GAA person would advocate a split. They've always had way more people, way more clubs, and they've always been successful as a consequence, but the GAA scene would be far weaker for their absence.

On a personal level, I've no problem either with a huge amount of money being spent on coaching and training in the city. Young kids in Dublin deserve the same focus and attention as is given to kids down the country and it benefits everyone if playing underage GAA is seen as an attractive option.

On the other side of the coin, there is one area where Dublin spending massive amounts of money on their development is a very unfair advantage, and one that's easily rectified. Because Dublin have a huge budget for coaching, it means that they can employ players who are struggling for work and keep them in the city. Smaller counties lose players all the time due to emigration, or else they might stay around but can't commit to county football because they work long or awkward hours and simply don't have the spare time to compete with teachers/students/coaches, who have massive amounts of free time for training.

In Offaly, we have one full time coach in football and one in hurling. Dublin have, to my knowledge, at least six members of the county hurling panel employed as coaches, and I can only guess that there are several football panelists similarly employed. I have heard a number that there are over 100 people in total employed by the DCB, which is where the real advantage lies. When a promising young player in Offaly (for example) struggles to find work, they have to head to Australia/US/London. At any given time we've three or four probably starters on foreign shores. Then you have all the self-employed guys who can't train five or six times a week because they work sixty hours, and they pull out too. Dublin gets to give these guys handy jobs.

The answer for me is simple. The same amount should be spent per head on coaching and development everywhere, and county identities should be retained. However all staffing should be centralised, or else there should be a training centre somewhere so that the player from Wicklow or Louth is just as likely to get the job as coach for the greater Blanchardstown area as the player from Dublin.

Equally, there should be a leveling mechanism set up for teams that want to spend huge amounts on team preparation. No matter how lean and mean you run things, you will spend €100k a year on a county adult team. However it shouldn't be the case that some have to work like dogs to earn that, while others can spend half a million and more. If we set a rule that for every €2 you spent over €100k per year, you had to pay another €1 into a centralised fund that could then be spent around the country on teams that don't get the same attention, that could also be another reasonably fair way of balancing things up. 
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on October 01, 2013, 01:51:53 PM
It's in everyone's interests that Dublin remains a single county, no rational GAA person would advocate a split. They've always had way more people, way more clubs, and they've always been successful as a consequence, but the GAA scene would be far weaker for their absence.

On a personal level, I've no problem either with a huge amount of money being spent on coaching and training in the city. Young kids in Dublin deserve the same focus and attention as is given to kids down the country and it benefits everyone if playing underage GAA is seen as an attractive option.

On the other side of the coin, there is one area where Dublin spending massive amounts of money on their development is a very unfair advantage, and one that's easily rectified. Because Dublin have a huge budget for coaching, it means that they can employ players who are struggling for work and keep them in the city. Smaller counties lose players all the time due to emigration, or else they might stay around but can't commit to county football because they work long or awkward hours and simply don't have the spare time to compete with teachers/students/coaches, who have massive amounts of free time for training.

In Offaly, we have one full time coach in football and one in hurling. Dublin have, to my knowledge, at least six members of the county hurling panel employed as coaches, and I can only guess that there are several football panelists similarly employed. I have heard a number that there are over 100 people in total employed by the DCB, which is where the real advantage lies. When a promising young player in Offaly (for example) struggles to find work, they have to head to Australia/US/London. At any given time we've three or four probably starters on foreign shores. Then you have all the self-employed guys who can't train five or six times a week because they work sixty hours, and they pull out too. Dublin gets to give these guys handy jobs.

The answer for me is simple. The same amount should be spent per head on coaching and development everywhere, and county identities should be retained. However all staffing should be centralised, or else there should be a training centre somewhere so that the player from Wicklow or Louth is just as likely to get the job as coach for the greater Blanchardstown area as the player from Dublin.

Equally, there should be a leveling mechanism set up for teams that want to spend huge amounts on team preparation. No matter how lean and mean you run things, you will spend €100k a year on a county adult team. However it shouldn't be the case that some have to work like dogs to earn that, while others can spend half a million and more. If we set a rule that for every €2 you spent over €100k per year, you had to pay another €1 into a centralised fund that could then be spent around the country on teams that don't get the same attention, that could also be another reasonably fair way of balancing things up.

Lone Shark I agree with a lot of what you say but there are a number of inaccuracies in your post. 3 of the Dublin Senior Hurling Panel are full time coaches and none of the football panel are. I don't think its really much of an advantage at all. There is nowhere near 100 people employed by Dublin County board. Maybe 50 or 60 max. 30- 35 are coaches. I know that close to half these coaches are NOT from Dublin and I do know of 2 inter county footballers from outside Dublin who are currently employed by DCB.

Regarding the overall spend while I agree it should be capped I would totally disagree with the idea of counties paying into a centralised fund. You would then hae the scenario of counties who have managed their finances prudently being foced to subsidise counties who have squandered their money
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lone Shark on October 01, 2013, 02:29:48 PM
Hmm. For what it's worth, the number of six came from one of the players that actually has one of the jobs and it was said to me last year, so either three guys have got new jobs since then or else there's wires crossed somewhere. The 100 was based on a number I saw written in the Indo somewhere, but I'd trust an anonymous poster over that particular national newspaper, which speaks volumes in its own right.

I didn't realise that there were so many that aren't from Dublin taking coaches jobs up there so that too is encouraging.

As for the second point, you're not penalising counties for being prudent - you're penalising spending. On the one hand I agree with the point that counties who have larger budgets should be able to spend appropriately, however if Dublin have twenty times the population of some other counties, that can mean that they have twenty times the need for coaching and development. It does not mean that they should have twenty times the budget to spend on their county panels, when county panels should in theory all cost the same. In fact if anything, the Dublin county panel spend should be less than any other, since very few of their players would be travelling large distances to come to training and matches, and so there would be very little spend on mileage relative to counties down the country where their players are all over the place.

Neither am I talking of the centralised fund being used to help out counties who used to spend large numbers but now can't afford to because they overdid it. I'm talking about being used to fund the running costs of the (more often) hurling teams of counties where the total county board turnover is around €1m or less and where they can't even spend €100k on a team and end up rationing things that other counties take for granted. I'm not talking about it being used so Kildare can keep spending money they don't have, for example.

Basically, I get that Dublin and Cork will always get far more money from sponsorship and other income than a Leitrim or Longford. However Dublin and Cork have a lot of youth and infrastructure to maintain, so if they want to spend it on that, then go ahead, no penalty. However if they want to spend it on a backroom team of twenty people to give their seniors a competitive advantage, then there should be some form of levelling of the playing field, I believe.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on October 02, 2013, 12:23:55 AM
Interesting topic. I know my local club has a GPO who is an inter county player from Connacht. As far as I know the club have to match what the county board puts in. I have to say it has made a big difference in the club, enabling them to gain kids who would have been lost to other sports.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on October 02, 2013, 07:45:55 AM
Hmm. For what it's worth, the number of six came from one of the players that actually has one of the jobs and it was said to me last year, so either three guys have got new jobs since then or else there's wires crossed somewhere. The 100 was based on a number I saw written in the Indo somewhere, but I'd trust an anonymous poster over that particular national newspaper, which speaks volumes in its own right.

I didn't realise that there were so many that aren't from Dublin taking coaches jobs up there so that too is encouraging.

As for the second point, you're not penalising counties for being prudent - you're penalising spending. On the one hand I agree with the point that counties who have larger budgets should be able to spend appropriately, however if Dublin have twenty times the population of some other counties, that can mean that they have twenty times the need for coaching and development. It does not mean that they should have twenty times the budget to spend on their county panels, when county panels should in theory all cost the same. In fact if anything, the Dublin county panel spend should be less than any other, since very few of their players would be travelling large distances to come to training and matches, and so there would be very little spend on mileage relative to counties down the country where their players are all over the place.

Neither am I talking of the centralised fund being used to help out counties who used to spend large numbers but now can't afford to because they overdid it. I'm talking about being used to fund the running costs of the (more often) hurling teams of counties where the total county board turnover is around €1m or less and where they can't even spend €100k on a team and end up rationing things that other counties take for granted. I'm not talking about it being used so Kildare can keep spending money they don't have, for example.

Basically, I get that Dublin and Cork will always get far more money from sponsorship and other income than a Leitrim or Longford. However Dublin and Cork have a lot of youth and infrastructure to maintain, so if they want to spend it on that, then go ahead, no penalty. However if they want to spend it on a backroom team of twenty people to give their seniors a competitive advantage, then there should be some form of levelling of the playing field, I believe.

Fair enough post.

There is no member of the football panel a GPO and definitely not 6 members of the hurling panel. Its needs to be noted some clubs completely fund their GPO's from their own resources. This crack that the Govt are funding this is totally inaccurate.


Dublin have been very prudent with their money but that's only because we've had guys involved who know finance. Other counties have literally thrown away fortunes. There are plenty of other problems in Dublin like club fixtures for example.

Laois are currently getting help from Croke Park for their hurling programme. Croke Park will invest in viable projects. The problem is a lot of the counties don't put any effort into coaching development and seeking aid with viable plans. They prefer just to complain about Dublin.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on October 02, 2013, 09:39:17 AM
Hmm. For what it's worth, the number of six came from one of the players that actually has one of the jobs and it was said to me last year, so either three guys have got new jobs since then or else there's wires crossed somewhere. The 100 was based on a number I saw written in the Indo somewhere, but I'd trust an anonymous poster over that particular national newspaper, which speaks volumes in its own right.

I didn't realise that there were so many that aren't from Dublin taking coaches jobs up there so that too is encouraging.

As for the second point, you're not penalising counties for being prudent - you're penalising spending. On the one hand I agree with the point that counties who have larger budgets should be able to spend appropriately, however if Dublin have twenty times the population of some other counties, that can mean that they have twenty times the need for coaching and development. It does not mean that they should have twenty times the budget to spend on their county panels, when county panels should in theory all cost the same. In fact if anything, the Dublin county panel spend should be less than any other, since very few of their players would be travelling large distances to come to training and matches, and so there would be very little spend on mileage relative to counties down the country where their players are all over the place.

Neither am I talking of the centralised fund being used to help out counties who used to spend large numbers but now can't afford to because they overdid it. I'm talking about being used to fund the running costs of the (more often) hurling teams of counties where the total county board turnover is around €1m or less and where they can't even spend €100k on a team and end up rationing things that other counties take for granted. I'm not talking about it being used so Kildare can keep spending money they don't have, for example.

Basically, I get that Dublin and Cork will always get far more money from sponsorship and other income than a Leitrim or Longford. However Dublin and Cork have a lot of youth and infrastructure to maintain, so if they want to spend it on that, then go ahead, no penalty. However if they want to spend it on a backroom team of twenty people to give their seniors a competitive advantage, then there should be some form of levelling of the playing field, I believe.

Its definitely 3 hurlers and no footballers.

Regarding team spending. Would capping the spend at a reasonable amount not be the simplest and fairest way?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lone Shark on October 02, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
There's no doubt that Dublin have managed their finances well, and nobody expects the DCB to administer a playing population that size with a budget equivalent to that of Offaly, Laois or similar. However the simple fact of the matter is that a bigger income is needed for the amount of coaching and infrastructure required, but at the end of the day, Dublin only have to field the same number of county teams as any other dual county.

Equally, while a spending cap would be good, I don't think it would be easily enforceable. You'd just drive a lot of it under the table, or if counties actually followed the rules, you'd have more counties going without medical personnel at training etc, which is not the way we want to go. Financial pragmatism means thats just how it is for a lot of counties, but that's not something you'd want to encourage. At least this way you're saying to counties that if they want to spend big on team preparation they may do so, but just they have to share the wealth a little.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on October 02, 2013, 03:54:15 PM
Anyone know What way the money from inter county attendances is divide up ?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on October 08, 2013, 10:28:43 PM
The GAA have created a monster, it's time to cut that monster into pieces. 3 pieces, Fingal, Dublin South and Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2013/1008/479184-aig-new-dublin-gaa-sponsor-in-2-million-deal/

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: muppet on October 08, 2013, 10:34:32 PM
The GAA have created a monster, it's time to cut that monster into pieces. 3 pieces, Fingal, Dublin South and Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2013/1008/479184-aig-new-dublin-gaa-sponsor-in-2-million-deal/

AIG!

Too big to fail?

http://www.thenation.com/article/153929/aig-bailout-scandal# (http://www.thenation.com/article/153929/aig-bailout-scandal#)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: heffo on October 09, 2013, 12:47:38 AM
The GAA have created a monster, it's time to cut that monster into pieces. 3 pieces, Fingal, Dublin South and Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2013/1008/479184-aig-new-dublin-gaa-sponsor-in-2-million-deal/

I hate to break to break it to you after all this time but there are four council areas in Dublin not three
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: deiseach on October 09, 2013, 09:49:10 AM
The GAA have created a monster, it's time to cut that monster into pieces. 3 pieces, Fingal, Dublin South and Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2013/1008/479184-aig-new-dublin-gaa-sponsor-in-2-million-deal/

AIG!

Too big to fail?

http://www.thenation.com/article/153929/aig-bailout-scandal# (http://www.thenation.com/article/153929/aig-bailout-scandal#)

Dont Matter, a one man lynch mob (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/aig-ceo-robert-benmosche-compares-bonus-criticism-to-lynch-mobs-20130924).
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: heffo on October 09, 2013, 10:09:35 AM
Hmm. For what it's worth, the number of six came from one of the players that actually has one of the jobs and it was said to me last year, so either three guys have got new jobs since then or else there's wires crossed somewhere. The 100 was based on a number I saw written in the Indo somewhere, but I'd trust an anonymous poster over that particular national newspaper, which speaks volumes in its own right.

I didn't realise that there were so many that aren't from Dublin taking coaches jobs up there so that too is encouraging.

As for the second point, you're not penalising counties for being prudent - you're penalising spending. On the one hand I agree with the point that counties who have larger budgets should be able to spend appropriately, however if Dublin have twenty times the population of some other counties, that can mean that they have twenty times the need for coaching and development. It does not mean that they should have twenty times the budget to spend on their county panels, when county panels should in theory all cost the same. In fact if anything, the Dublin county panel spend should be less than any other, since very few of their players would be travelling large distances to come to training and matches, and so there would be very little spend on mileage relative to counties down the country where their players are all over the place.

Neither am I talking of the centralised fund being used to help out counties who used to spend large numbers but now can't afford to because they overdid it. I'm talking about being used to fund the running costs of the (more often) hurling teams of counties where the total county board turnover is around €1m or less and where they can't even spend €100k on a team and end up rationing things that other counties take for granted. I'm not talking about it being used so Kildare can keep spending money they don't have, for example.

Basically, I get that Dublin and Cork will always get far more money from sponsorship and other income than a Leitrim or Longford. However Dublin and Cork have a lot of youth and infrastructure to maintain, so if they want to spend it on that, then go ahead, no penalty. However if they want to spend it on a backroom team of twenty people to give their seniors a competitive advantage, then there should be some form of levelling of the playing field, I believe.

3 GPO's on Hurling panel, none on football panel and approx 50 coaches in total, some split between clubs.

The article by Colm Keys (I think it was) was very poorly researched.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on October 09, 2013, 03:38:40 PM
The GAA have created a monster, it's time to cut that monster into pieces. 3 pieces, Fingal, Dublin South and Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2013/1008/479184-aig-new-dublin-gaa-sponsor-in-2-million-deal/

I hate to break to break it to you after all this time but there are four council areas in Dublin not three

You want to give the city junkies some hurls? Leave them to their own sport.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: muppet on October 09, 2013, 08:43:36 PM
The GAA have created a monster, it's time to cut that monster into pieces. 3 pieces, Fingal, Dublin South and Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2013/1008/479184-aig-new-dublin-gaa-sponsor-in-2-million-deal/

AIG!

Too big to fail?

http://www.thenation.com/article/153929/aig-bailout-scandal# (http://www.thenation.com/article/153929/aig-bailout-scandal#)

Dont Matter, a one man lynch mob (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/aig-ceo-robert-benmosche-compares-bonus-criticism-to-lynch-mobs-20130924).

That is some article Deiseach.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: easytiger95 on October 10, 2013, 11:47:22 AM
Great article Deiseach - Taibi is one of the best journalists out there these days - he'll be up there with the likes of Hunter S. and Tom Wolfe, when people look back on his work on the bailout, Goldman Sachs especially.

By the way, I heard the Eugene Mcgee piece and he was actually decrying the appearance of "split Dublin" topics on message boards. Don't Matter is the the archetype of the internet troll - or a member of the Irish cummann of the Tea Party. It's rare to see a man so invested in his own idiocy.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Declan on October 10, 2013, 12:40:40 PM
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Great article Deiseach - Taibi is one of the best journalists out there these days - he'll be up there with the likes of Hunter S. and Tom Wolfe, when people look back on his work on the bailout, Goldman Sachs especially.

strange thread for it but agree 100%
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: deiseach on October 10, 2013, 12:49:09 PM
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Great article Deiseach - Taibi is one of the best journalists out there these days - he'll be up there with the likes of Hunter S. and Tom Wolfe, when people look back on his work on the bailout, Goldman Sachs especially.

strange thread for it but agree 100%

Those are Dublin's new sponsors. Charming bunch.

Carrying on with the off-topicness though, no one does an insult like Matt Taibbi (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2010/11/tktk_insults_quiz.html). Not even Timmy Ryan!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: muppet on October 10, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
Great article Deiseach - Taibi is one of the best journalists out there these days - he'll be up there with the likes of Hunter S. and Tom Wolfe, when people look back on his work on the bailout, Goldman Sachs especially.

By the way, I heard the Eugene Mcgee piece and he was actually decrying the appearance of "split Dublin" topics on message boards. Don't Matter is the the archetype of the internet troll - or a member of the Irish cummann of the Tea Party. It's rare to see a man so invested in his own idiocy.

I like it!

I may..eh....borrow that line sometime.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on October 10, 2013, 10:49:18 PM
I know most Dublin people can't read and only get books to look at the pictures so I did a little illustration for them.








Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: heffo on October 10, 2013, 10:57:00 PM
I know most Dublin people can't read and only get books to look at the pictures so I did a little illustration for them.










I defy anyone to tell me you're not a professional graphic designer
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on October 11, 2013, 02:05:41 PM
Heffo hired me to do a portrait of him.





Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on October 11, 2013, 02:08:41 PM
He's taller with more hair.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: heffo on October 11, 2013, 02:10:19 PM
He's taller with more hair.

Other than that it's an uncanny resemblance
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on October 11, 2013, 02:12:55 PM

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: deiseach on October 11, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
Other than that it's an uncanny resemblance

No Buckfast?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: heffo on October 11, 2013, 02:41:11 PM
Other than that it's an uncanny resemblance

No Buckfast?

I'm from Dublin not Armagh
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Croí na hÉireann on October 11, 2013, 03:39:08 PM
Where's the reefer? Surprised at you Don't Matter
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Gael85 on October 11, 2013, 03:48:41 PM



is that your other half? ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Orchardman on October 11, 2013, 06:06:26 PM
fair play to don't matter for taking the fight to Dublin, someone has to stand up for the other counties against this over populated machine
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jonah on October 11, 2013, 06:22:18 PM
The GAA have created a monster, it's time to cut that monster into pieces. 3 pieces, Fingal, Dublin South and Dun Laoighaire/Rathdown.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2013/1008/479184-aig-new-dublin-gaa-sponsor-in-2-million-deal/

I hate to break to break it to you after all this time but there are four council areas in Dublin not three

You want to give the city junkies some hurls? Leave them to their own sport.

 ;D
I think Don't Matter is hilarious. He has an answer for everything.
Keep it up buddy! The Dubs are an awful sensitive bunch altogether.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Flutehook on October 11, 2013, 07:25:38 PM
You want to give the city junkies some hurls? Leave them to their own sport.

Hurling is their sport bud!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K589cb1yYoA


Far less gormless than their Portlaoise counterparts as can be seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRoRrU1BxAs

Even our junkies are better than yours:)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on February 28, 2014, 04:14:13 PM
I think the GAA are pumping 9 million into this one. Will Fingal allow other teams the use of it when the inevitable happens?


http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2014/0228/507468-national-sports-campus/
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on February 28, 2014, 04:31:04 PM
The accomodation for 400 people makes it the ideal venus for the Railway and Sigerson Cups.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on February 28, 2014, 04:32:27 PM
Four full-size pitches? Prenty laughs in the face of HQ's meagre ambitions.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: stew on February 28, 2014, 04:40:04 PM
Four full-size pitches? Prenty laughs in the face of HQ's meagre ambitions.

Right enough, Prenty can laugh away But prunty has the last laugh!  ;)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Canalman on February 28, 2014, 05:18:11 PM
I think the GAA are pumping 9 million into this one. Will Fingal allow other teams the use of it when the inevitable happens?


http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2014/0228/507468-national-sports-campus/

Nothing to do with "Fingal". Part of National Sports Centre and open to one and all I suppose in the GAA.

Location won't please everyone I know but it is within striking distance of alot of counties. Will be a great venue for inter county challenge games etc.



Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: theskull1 on February 28, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
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Adjacent to the pavilion building, there will be a state of the art hurling wall

How state of the art can a hurling wall get I wonder  ::)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on March 01, 2014, 10:36:52 PM
Dublin County Board are spending two million euros on the Blanchardstown project.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: screenexile on March 04, 2014, 01:46:27 PM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/john-fogarty/john-fogarty-eyebrows-raised-beyond-the-pale-260781.html
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on March 04, 2014, 05:09:15 PM
"It’s just they’ve been provided with one having barely lifted a finger."

The Dubs see nothing wrong with it either, they've been handed millions of euro, handed All Irelands, handed this center of excellence, oh the list is endless. This will be the eight year, the EIGHT YEAR in a row that the Dublin footballers will play all their championship games at home.
You'd think the Dubs would be a bit embarrassed by it all, been bought titles without having to fight on a level playing field but no. I think it comes from their every day lives, they don't work so they steal nice things from fine country folk that move to Dublin. They feel entitled to it just like cheap methadone.
Just split them into three and let's make Gaelic football and hurling fair for all once more.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on March 04, 2014, 05:23:32 PM
The gate receipts they provided in the last 8 years have provided the association with a lot of money.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on March 04, 2014, 05:43:43 PM
The gate receipts they provided in the last 8 years have provided the association with a lot of money.

HQ: We need Dublin to make us loads of money so we're going to invest millions in football and hurling and make it impossible for you not to win silverware, this will increase gate receipts and earnings from your county which will satisfy us.
Dubs: Bleedin rapid.
HQ: Don't worry about any hick ups, we have most of the refs onside and if you have any problems playing outside Dublin we'll move them all to Croke Park. Soon we'll have most of your league games at home too.
Dubs: Do ya have a spare euuro?
HQ: By 2014 you should have won 4 All Ireland football titles and 1 All Ireland hurling title. We should have loads of revenue and all you have to do is keep quiet, say you have been doing lots of grass roots work.
Dubs: Ya got any grass? Ya startin are ya?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Gael85 on March 04, 2014, 06:23:02 PM
"It’s just they’ve been provided with one having barely lifted a finger."

The Dubs see nothing wrong with it either, they've been handed millions of euro, handed All Irelands, handed this center of excellence, oh the list is endless. This will be the eight year, the EIGHT YEAR in a row that the Dublin footballers will play all their championship games at home.
You'd think the Dubs would be a bit embarrassed by it all, been bought titles without having to fight on a level playing field but no. I think it comes from their every day lives, they don't work so they steal nice things from fine country folk that move to Dublin. They feel entitled to it just like cheap methadone.
Just split them into three and let's make Gaelic football and hurling fair for all once more.

What about all the money the Laois boys stole from Parnells?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Gael85 on March 04, 2014, 06:26:15 PM
The gate receipts they provided in the last 8 years have provided the association with a lot of money.

HQ: We need Dublin to make us loads of money so we're going to invest millions in football and hurling and make it impossible for you not to win silverware, this will increase gate receipts and earnings from your county which will satisfy us.
Dubs: Bleedin rapid.
HQ: Don't worry about any hick ups, we have most of the refs onside and if you have any problems playing outside Dublin we'll move them all to Croke Park. Soon we'll have most of your league games at home too.
Dubs: Do ya have a spare euuro?
HQ: By 2014 you should have won 4 All Ireland football titles and 1 All Ireland hurling title. We should have loads of revenue and all you have to do is keep quiet, say you have been doing lots of grass roots work.
Dubs: Ya got any grass? Ya startin are ya?

I think your smoking too much grass mate :P
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on March 04, 2014, 06:48:31 PM
The gate receipts they provided in the last 8 years have provided the association with a lot of money.

HQ: We need Dublin to make us loads of money so we're going to invest millions in football and hurling and make it impossible for you not to win silverware, this will increase gate receipts and earnings from your county which will satisfy us.
Dubs: Bleedin rapid.
HQ: Don't worry about any hick ups, we have most of the refs onside and if you have any problems playing outside Dublin we'll move them all to Croke Park. Soon we'll have most of your league games at home too.
Dubs: Do ya have a spare euuro?
HQ: By 2014 you should have won 4 All Ireland football titles and 1 All Ireland hurling title. We should have loads of revenue and all you have to do is keep quiet, say you have been doing lots of grass roots work.
Dubs: Ya got any grass? Ya startin are ya?

You should be in Portrane.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: northsideboy on March 04, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
"It’s just they’ve been provided with one having barely lifted a finger."

The Dubs see nothing wrong with it either, they've been handed millions of euro, handed All Irelands, handed this center of excellence, oh the list is endless. This will be the eight year, the EIGHT YEAR in a row that the Dublin footballers will play all their championship games at home.
You'd think the Dubs would be a bit embarrassed by it all, been bought titles without having to fight on a level playing field but no. I think it comes from their every day lives, they don't work so they steal nice things from fine country folk that move to Dublin. They feel entitled to it just like cheap methadone.
Just split them into three and let's make Gaelic football and hurling fair for all once more.

What about all the money the Laois boys stole from Parnells?

Post of the year Gael 85 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on March 31, 2014, 08:00:32 PM
I see the Fingal Co Co declared their independence from Dublin today refusing to be put under a Mayor of Dublin.
Any hope their GAA people might do the same thing and set up their own Co Board? :)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on March 31, 2014, 09:42:59 PM
I see the Fingal Co Co declared their independence from Dublin today refusing to be put under a Mayor of Dublin.
Any hope their GAA people might do the same thing and set up their own Co Board? :)

 :) you wish
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: PaddyP73 on May 23, 2014, 10:02:02 PM
Time for the lines to be drawn. It's going to be either Dublin North and Dublin South or maybe Dublin Fingal, Dublin South and Dublin Dun Laoighaire Rathdown.
Bertie and co granted Dublin 7 million euros, the plan was for Dublin to dominate All Irelands in hurling and football. 2 in 3 years in football and the first real Leinster title in hurling shows that the plan is working well, not as well as it should but working well non the less.
They have over 1 million people, all the best facilities in the country, all the best coaches available, play every game at home, the best set up in schools and underage because of money. It's not what the GAA is all about. It's meant to be teams playing against eachother on an equal footing.
It's an ameteur game, how much are Dublin spending on that management team and backroom staff? They can even afford to pay Bernard Dunne to hang around for the banter with players.

Need split Dublin into 4.Also would split super clubs club teams like Portlaoise into 2 teams.hard for small village clubs to compete with big towns and Portlaoise have won last 7 Laois titles in a row. Good post bro

Lets hope the GAA stop looking after their pockets and bring fair play back to inter county football. Split Dublin into 2 or 3 and start dividing resources fairly, also introduce caps on money spent on inter county teams.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: lynchbhoy on May 24, 2014, 10:58:54 AM
Can't see it happening anytime soon but I think it will happen.
Not particularly palatable for Dublin fans and people, but the two teams would be extremely competitive and wouldn't be long before vying for Leinster and Sam.

Hurling might not be ready for that kind of split!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on May 24, 2014, 11:09:40 AM
Amalgamate the weaker counties, its the only way to go, if these counties want to see their countymen playing football in Croke Park in August. Even if you do split Dublin, they will still be there in August, only this time two Dublin teams. Do country people really want to see that.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on May 24, 2014, 11:31:39 AM
Amalgamate the weaker counties, its the only way to go, if these counties want to see their countymen playing football in Croke Park in August. Even if you do split Dublin, they will still be there in August, only this time two Dublin teams. Do country people really want to see that.

Just have the two Dublins play each other in the first round. Job on.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Where will the Dublin South play? Assume Dublin North will still use Croke Park as their home ground.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on May 24, 2014, 12:13:05 PM
Can't see it happening anytime soon but I think it will happen.
Not particularly palatable for Dublin fans and people, but the two teams would be extremely competitive and wouldn't be long before vying for Leinster and Sam.

Hurling might not be ready for that kind of split!

.......Just yet!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on May 24, 2014, 12:16:03 PM
Amalgamate the weaker counties, its the only way to go, if these counties want to see their countymen playing football in Croke Park in August. Even if you do split Dublin, they will still be there in August, only this time two Dublin teams. Do country people really want to see that.

Just have the two Dublins play each other in the first round. Job on.

I'd also advocate an open draw  8)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: hairyUlsterman on May 24, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
Yes.

 I would also like to see Antrim joining with Derry as these 2 counties have 1/2 a population who don't have any interest in GAA (that's not counting the ones who prefer soccer/rugby) unlike southern counties.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: heffo on May 24, 2014, 05:02:01 PM
Where will the Dublin South play? Assume Dublin North will still use Croke Park as their home ground.

Can we use Newbridge or are we still waiting on the count from this years bucket collection to see if the solitary jacks can be fixed?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on May 24, 2014, 05:07:27 PM
Where will the Dublin South play? Assume Dublin North will still use Croke Park as their home ground.

Can we use Newbridge or are we still waiting on the count from this years bucket collection to see if the solitary jacks can be fixed?

You might even catch a glimpse of the elusive O'Byrne Cup while you're there.  :P
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: hairyUlsterman on May 24, 2014, 05:21:49 PM
there is also too much ruthless Viking blood in Dublin for the rest of us Celtic men to be able to cope with
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BartSimpson on May 24, 2014, 08:43:08 PM
there is also too much ruthless Viking blood in Dublin for the rest of us Celtic men to be able to cope with
Classic  ;D
Where will the Dublin South play? Assume Dublin North will still use Croke Park as their home ground.
In the luscious surroundings of O'Toole park.

Has anyone gota phone number for the loonie bin? I need to interrogate ask Dont matter a few questions, northie style!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on May 24, 2014, 08:47:58 PM
there is also too much ruthless Viking blood in Dublin for the rest of us Celtic men to be able to cope with
Classic  ;D
Where will the Dublin South play? Assume Dublin North will still use Croke Park as their home ground.
In the luscious surroundings of O'Toole park.

Has anyone gota phone number for the loonie bin? I need to interrogate ask Dont matter a few questions, northie style!

You mean stuffing him with grant and sponsorship money until he spills the beans?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BartSimpson on May 24, 2014, 08:50:11 PM
there is also too much ruthless Viking blood in Dublin for the rest of us Celtic men to be able to cope with
Classic  ;D
Where will the Dublin South play? Assume Dublin North will still use Croke Park as their home ground.
In the luscious surroundings of O'Toole park.

Has anyone gota phone number for the loonie bin? I need to interrogate ask Dont matter a few questions, northie style!

You mean stuffing him with grant and sponsorship money until he spills the beans?
LOL

No, I meant Divis flats style, where he's have a quar pain in his knees after.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on May 24, 2014, 10:46:17 PM
Where will the Dublin South play? Assume Dublin North will still use Croke Park as their home ground.

Can we use Newbridge or are we still waiting on the count from this years bucket collection to see if the solitary jacks can be fixed?

You might even catch a glimpse of the elusive O'Byrne Cup while you're there.  :P

Goes to show money can't buy you everything
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 20, 2014, 10:16:32 PM
2 more championships added today to the long list of titles won by unfair means by Dubl$n. Michelle Smith cheated her was to 4 Olympic medals, Lance Armstrong cheated his way to 7 tour de France titles, Dubl$n have now cheated their way to 25 titles, here's the list.

Dubl$n’s Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Aristocrat on July 20, 2014, 10:22:15 PM
Haha. I have to say You Dont Matter, your persistent, but never mind 2, how about 4 teams, because the North-side would probably win AI and the south would come close. Love seeing haters jealous, enjoy watching the greatest footballing team of all time for the rest of the year You Dont Matter. 

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 21, 2014, 12:03:24 AM
Haha. I have to say You Dont Matter, your persistent, but never mind 2, how about 4 teams, because the North-side would probably win AI and the south would come close. Love seeing haters jealous, enjoy watching the greatest footballing team of all time for the rest of the year You Dont Matter.
really? that's where you're going?
do you know your history?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 21, 2014, 12:06:27 AM
2 more championships added today to the long list of titles won by unfair means by Dubl$n. Michelle Smith cheated her was to 4 Olympic medals, Lance Armstrong cheated his way to 7 tour de France titles, Dubl$n have now cheated their way to 25 titles, here's the list.

Dubl$n’s Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

It's a lot of titles to be sure.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 12:06:59 AM
Haha. I have to say You Dont Matter, your persistent, but never mind 2, how about 4 teams, because the North-side would probably win AI and the south would come close. Love seeing haters jealous, enjoy watching the greatest footballing team of all time for the rest of the year You Dont Matter.

Roscommon won't be playing until January.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: PaddyP73 on July 21, 2014, 12:08:59 AM
2 more championships added today to the long list of titles won by unfair means by Dubl$n. Michelle Smith cheated her was to 4 Olympic medals, Lance Armstrong cheated his way to 7 tour de France titles, Dubl$n have now cheated their way to 25 titles, here's the list.

Dubl$n’s Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

Don't Matter.you are really obsessed with the Dubs.you must w**k yourself to sleep thinking about the dubs so much(mind your eyesight).Did some Jackeen ride your boyfriend?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 21, 2014, 12:11:04 AM
A province which has 11 counties with a combined population of the other one is joke, and winning its championship is a joke if you are that ridiculous county.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: PaddyP73 on July 21, 2014, 12:29:58 AM
Don't matter your some C U N T with your lies :-*
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 21, 2014, 12:34:19 AM
2 more championships added today to the long list of titles won by unfair means by Dubl$n. Michelle Smith cheated her was to 4 Olympic medals, Lance Armstrong cheated his way to 7 tour de France titles, Dubl$n have now cheated their way to 25 titles, here's the list.

Dubl$n’s Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

It's a lot of titles to be sure.

Under 21 football 2014 also.

There'd be very little in the list if doing one for 1990's.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 12:36:17 AM
2 more championships added today to the long list of titles won by unfair means by Dubl$n. Michelle Smith cheated her was to 4 Olympic medals, Lance Armstrong cheated his way to 7 tour de France titles, Dubl$n have now cheated their way to 25 titles, here's the list.

Dubl$n’s Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

It's a lot of titles to be sure.

Under 21 football 2014 also.

There'd be very little in the list if doing one for 1990's.

No, that was a gift from us to Dublin.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: orangeman on July 21, 2014, 12:39:11 AM
The Dublin team were described today as the best team in the history of the game and according to reports, there are lads coming along to supplement or replace any of the lads on the current team who are coming to the end of their tethers.
It looks like it's going to be virtual domination by Dublin. There's no way of competing on an equal basis due to the huge numbers playing.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 12:41:10 AM
The Dublin team were described today as the best team in the history of the game and according to reports, there are lads coming along to supplement or replace any of the lads on the current team who are coming to the end of their tethers.
It looks like it's going to be virtual domination by Dublin. There's no way of competing on an equal basis due to the huge numbers playing.

And now half of the IC players in the country are qualified to play for Dublin thanks to Parnells >:(
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: orangeman on July 21, 2014, 12:45:42 AM
The Dublin team were described today as the best team in the history of the game and according to reports, there are lads coming along to supplement or replace any of the lads on the current team who are coming to the end of their tethers.
It looks like it's going to be virtual domination by Dublin. There's no way of competing on an equal basis due to the huge numbers playing.

And now half of the IC players in the country are qualified to play for Dublin thanks to Parnells >:(

If you examine their contracts closely, the club has first call on them.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on July 21, 2014, 01:38:24 AM
Have been saying it for a while now. This is not a phase Dublin are going through that will come to an end. This is complete dominance for a long long time. Look at the panel that won the Leinster title back in 2005, there are feck all players of that team left still playing with Dublin. New lads have been added each year. Look at the players added each year. Minor and Under 21 AI winners. Look at the set up. Look at the coaching. Look at the diets. Look at the constant home games (Home games from April on, when the business end of the football calendar kicks in.). Look at the set dressing room. Look at the set warm up area in Croker. Look at the Sponsorship. Look at the money from the GAA. Ah just look at the money. A Glasgow Celtic type team has been created and nurtured. The Big fish in what is a rapidly evolving small pool. The media are happy with it, it sells papers and TV (and radio) ads. The GAA are happy, the crowds are coming to watch. The Pundits are happy, nice exciting skillful football.  So where is the problem? What harm is it having a Big fish in a small pool? Maybe it's no harm? Might shake things up a bit and the likes of Kerry will learn a new way to become king pins again? Question: Celtic won the league in Scotland last year, who finished second? third? second last? Does anybody know or care? Do Celtic supporters care?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 21, 2014, 07:44:40 AM
A province which has 11 counties with a combined population of the other one is joke, and winning its championship is a joke if you are that ridiculous county.

Wouldn't matter what province we are in we'd have won the same. You're entitled to rate your own pox of a championship as some sort of a standard for the game when in all reality the Ulsterchpionship lost it's lustre years ago.
The only surprise yesterday in clones was that conor mc Gregor and Gunnar Nielsen didn't make an appearance to get done tips for their next bouts in the ring

Don't lecture us about the standard if our provincial championship when your own one should be marketed to all young kids out there as how not to play the game.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 21, 2014, 08:46:33 AM
Have been saying it for a while now. This is not a phase Dublin are going through that will come to an end. This is complete dominance for a long long time. Look at the panel that won the Leinster title back in 2005, there are feck all players of that team left still playing with Dublin. New lads have been added each year. Look at the players added each year. Minor and Under 21 AI winners. Look at the set up. Look at the coaching. Look at the diets. Look at the constant home games (Home games from April on, when the business end of the football calendar kicks in.). Look at the set dressing room. Look at the set warm up area in Croker. Look at the Sponsorship. Look at the money from the GAA. Ah just look at the money. A Glasgow Celtic type team has been created and nurtured. The Big fish in what is a rapidly evolving small pool. The media are happy with it, it sells papers and TV (and radio) ads. The GAA are happy, the crowds are coming to watch. The Pundits are happy, nice exciting skillful football.  So where is the problem? What harm is it having a Big fish in a small pool? Maybe it's no harm? Might shake things up a bit and the likes of Kerry will learn a new way to become king pins again? Question: Celtic won the league in Scotland last year, who finished second? third? second last? Does anybody know or care? Do Celtic supporters care?
it really is scandalous that nine years since 2005 there are feck all Dublin players still on the panel from that year! How long is an inter county playing career ? Your own county spent a fortune in its senior team last year! I heard last night and I don't know how true it is that Dublin are not number one in the adult playing numbers table. Until the figures are put up of actual adult playing numbers the debate is a non entity!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 21, 2014, 08:50:03 AM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on July 21, 2014, 09:10:23 AM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum

Do you coach?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 21, 2014, 09:27:02 AM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum

Do you coach?
ive been known to coach from time to time! And yourself?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: laoislad on July 21, 2014, 09:40:49 AM
Haha. I have to say You Dont Matter, your persistent, but never mind 2, how about 4 teams, because the North-side would probably win AI and the south would come close. Love seeing haters jealous, enjoy watching the greatest footballing team of all time for the rest of the year You Dont Matter.

Roscommon won't be playing until January.
There you go again talking shite about Roscommon when it has nothing to do with the thread.
You're actually worse than the Nordies at this stage.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 21, 2014, 09:46:23 AM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum
fair point.

however, Dublin have over 100 paid coaches in clubs? That is a huge issue
Our club wouldn't see a paid coach from one end of the year to the next.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 21, 2014, 09:51:34 AM
A province which has 11 counties with a combined population of the other one is joke, and winning its championship is a joke if you are that ridiculous county.

Wouldn't matter what province we are in we'd have won the same.

As you would have had a population to pick from more than the rest of the teams in any other province put together, this doesn't refute my point.

You're entitled to rate your own pox of a championship as some sort of a standard for the game when in all reality the Ulsterchpionship lost it's lustre years ago.

The Ulster championship is a competititive, three quarters of the teams involved have won since 1990.


Don't lecture us about the standard if our provincial championship when your own one should be marketed to all young kids out there as how not to play the game.

Perhaps we would have a better standard if we gather half the population into one team who then played various bits of the rest. Such a team wouldn't have to bother with defensive tactics and it would be great, altogether.

I made a point and this is followed by a variety of people trying to divert the discussion to something else. I didn't say that Dublin were not a good team, I said they had an indefensibly large pick. Arguing about the entertainment value of Ulster football is mere diversion in response to this point.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 21, 2014, 09:52:31 AM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum
fair point.

however, Dublin have over 100 paid coaches in clubs? That is a huge issue
Our club wouldn't see a paid coach from one end of the year to the next.
can you back up the coaching statistic you posted?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 21, 2014, 10:01:30 AM
Only now you realised that! ;D

Haha. I have to say You Dont Matter, your persistent, but never mind 2, how about 4 teams, because the North-side would probably win AI and the south would come close. Love seeing haters jealous, enjoy watching the greatest footballing team of all time for the rest of the year You Dont Matter.

Roscommon won't be playing until January.
There you go again talking shite about Roscommon when it has nothing to do with the thread.
You're actually worse than the Nordies at this stage.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: seafoid on July 21, 2014, 10:06:35 AM
A province which has 11 counties with a combined population of the other one is joke, and winning its championship is a joke if you are that ridiculous county.

Wouldn't matter what province we are in we'd have won the same.

As you would have had a population to pick from more than the rest of the teams in any other province put together, this doesn't refute my point.

You're entitled to rate your own pox of a championship as some sort of a standard for the game when in all reality the Ulsterchpionship lost it's lustre years ago.

The Ulster championship is a competititive, three quarters of the teams involved have won since 1990.


Don't lecture us about the standard if our provincial championship when your own one should be marketed to all young kids out there as how not to play the game.

Perhaps we would have a better standard if we gather half the population into one team who then played various bits of the rest. Such a team wouldn't have to bother with defensive tactics and it would be great, altogether.

I made a point and this is followed by a variety of people trying to divert the discussion to something else. I didn't say that Dublin were not a good team, I said they had an indefensibly large pick. Arguing about the entertainment value of Ulster football is mere diversion in response to this point.
5/9 is not quite 3/4 .
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 21, 2014, 10:27:38 AM
Quote
5/9 is not quite 3/4 .

Indeed it is not. However 7 Ulster counties have won since 1990, Donegal, Monaghan Tyrone and Armagh since 2000, Cavan in 1997, Down in 1991 and 1994 and Derry in 1993 and 1998.

7/9 is actually 77.77%, which is more than 3/4 according to Ulster maths.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: LeoMc on July 21, 2014, 11:57:17 AM
The Dublin team were described today as the best team in the history of the game and according to reports, there are lads coming along to supplement or replace any of the lads on the current team who are coming to the end of their tethers.
It looks like it's going to be virtual domination by Dublin. There's no way of competing on an equal basis due to the huge numbers playing.

And now half of the IC players in the country are qualified to play for Dublin thanks to Parnells >:(

The Parnells issue is almost the antithesis of the Dublin issue but there are potential parallels. Parnells are trying to bring in ready developed IC players to the detriment of their youth players. Those youth players will move elsewhere or drift away from playing to Parnells detriment.

Dublin are trying to develop IC players by putting time and resources into coaching at youth level. If this coaching is at club level rather than focused on development panels then it will get more people playing games.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 21, 2014, 12:08:33 PM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum
fair point.

however, Dublin have over 100 paid coaches in clubs? That is a huge issue
Our club wouldn't see a paid coach from one end of the year to the next.

If you knew your facts which you clearly don't you'd know the clubs fork out at least 50 percent of the cost of the club coach. Some of them pay 100 percent if they want a particular coach. That's hard earned members cash by the way.

So come back with the facts the next time.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on July 21, 2014, 01:34:26 PM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum

Do you coach?
ive been known to coach from time to time! And yourself?

Yeah under 6 at the moment boys and girls. Have done under 16 Boys, Under 12 Girls and Under 14 Girls. Started ten years ago. Took a break  09 to 13 and back into it again. Break was needed! You can't get burned out and start to get  lazy and lose enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 21, 2014, 01:47:16 PM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum

Do you coach?
ive been known to coach from time to time! And yourself?

Yeah under 6 at the moment boys and girls. Have done under 16 Boys, Under 12 Girls and Under 14 Girls. Started ten years ago. Took a break  09 to 13 and back into it again. Break was needed! You can't get burned out and start to get  lazy and lose enthusiasm.
good work! More fellas like you around the country spreading the joy of playing Gaelic games to our young and the games will always be competitive Providing the county boards are run in a progressive and positive manner.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on July 21, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
Have been saying it for a while now. This is not a phase Dublin are going through that will come to an end. This is complete dominance for a long long time. Look at the panel that won the Leinster title back in 2005, there are feck all players of that team left still playing with Dublin. New lads have been added each year. Look at the players added each year. Minor and Under 21 AI winners. Look at the set up. Look at the coaching. Look at the diets. Look at the constant home games (Home games from April on, when the business end of the football calendar kicks in.). Look at the set dressing room. Look at the set warm up area in Croker. Look at the Sponsorship. Look at the money from the GAA. Ah just look at the money. A Glasgow Celtic type team has been created and nurtured. The Big fish in what is a rapidly evolving small pool. The media are happy with it, it sells papers and TV (and radio) ads. The GAA are happy, the crowds are coming to watch. The Pundits are happy, nice exciting skillful football.  So where is the problem? What harm is it having a Big fish in a small pool? Maybe it's no harm? Might shake things up a bit and the likes of Kerry will learn a new way to become king pins again? Question: Celtic won the league in Scotland last year, who finished second? third? second last? Does anybody know or care? Do Celtic supporters care?
it really is scandalous that nine years since 2005 there are feck all Dublin players still on the panel from that year! How long is an inter county playing career ? Your own county spent a fortune in its senior team last year! I heard last night and I don't know how true it is that Dublin are not number one in the adult playing numbers table. Until the figures are put up of actual adult playing numbers the debate is a non entity!

My point is that most people are putting this current phase as short term. That there are a group of players here now and they will come and go and the next emerging county will take over. This will in-evidently happen with the present Mayo team in Connacht and beyond. But I don't see this happening in Dublins case, looking at underage success. The balance has clearly shifted by huge amounts. As you mentioned Mayo spend a huge amount on it's senior team and this creates it's own shift of power within the province. There is no level playing ground when it come to the GAA, that's life.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 21, 2014, 02:17:00 PM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum
fair point.

however, Dublin have over 100 paid coaches in clubs? That is a huge issue
Our club wouldn't see a paid coach from one end of the year to the next.

If you knew your facts which you clearly don't you'd know the clubs fork out at least 50 percent of the cost of the club coach. Some of them pay 100 percent if they want a particular coach. That's hard earned members cash by the way.

So come back with the facts the next time.

where does the other 50% of the funding come from? Central GAA.
nothing like that available outside the Pale.
not even if 5 clubs pooled together would something like that be funded.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 21, 2014, 02:55:28 PM
Really, why not?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: dferg on July 21, 2014, 04:08:47 PM
Half the population of Ireland live in Dublin.  So they will always have a good panel to pick from.  Where a player might make it onto another county teams even though they are half a yard short of pace, a couple of inches short of ideal for a particular position or carrying a few pounds that would never happen in Dublin because they don't have to.  They have players like Dean Rock, Kevin McMenamin, Eamon Fennell et al on the bench most weeks that would be the first names on the team sheet in most other counties.

The money from Vodafone, gate receipts, shirt sales etc. mean they can afford to pay the top coaches, dieticians, sports scientists which is pushing an already formidable team to a level that very few can match over 70 minutes.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 21, 2014, 04:24:14 PM
Half the population of Ireland live in Dublin.  So they will always have a good panel to pick from.  Where a player might make it onto another county teams even though they are half a yard short of pace, a couple of inches short of ideal for a particular position or carrying a few pounds that would never happen in Dublin because they don't have to.  They have players like Dean Rock, Kevin McMenamin, Eamon Fennell et al on the bench most weeks that would be the first names on the team sheet in most other counties.

The money from Vodafone, gate receipts, shirt sales etc. mean they can afford to pay the top coaches, dieticians, sports scientists which is pushing an already formidable team to a level that very few can match over 70 minutes.

2013 wants its post back.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: screenexile on July 21, 2014, 04:35:11 PM
I'm not getting involved in the tit for tat nonsense but I was told a story by a guy recently that I wanted to check with some of the Dublin lads.

He's not one for bullshitting but he reckoned at least 90% of the Dublin lads are Full Time GAA players. I'd love to see the pen pics from yesterdays programme to see the actual occupations but he reckons the majority are students/teachers and that in the summer months they are full time in NADA where their S&C sessions are logged, all their food/supplements are supplied and all physio/rehab is done during the day and they have their field sessions in the evening.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Don't get me wrong there is a hell of a lot of work done before that to get lads into that position but is there any other county in Ireland that could compete with the above?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on July 21, 2014, 04:46:41 PM
I'm not getting involved in the tit for tat nonsense but I was told a story by a guy recently that I wanted to check with some of the Dublin lads.

He's not one for bullshitting but he reckoned at least 90% of the Dublin lads are Full Time GAA players. I'd love to see the pen pics from yesterdays programme to see the actual occupations but he reckons the majority are students/teachers and that in the summer months they are full time in NADA where their S&C sessions are logged, all their food/supplements are supplied and all physio/rehab is done during the day and they have their field sessions in the evening.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Don't get me wrong there is a hell of a lot of work done before that to get lads into that position but is there any other county in Ireland that could compete with the above?

I can shed light on it for you. Its not true. All training is done in the evening apart from weekends. Same as people saying there are 100 full time coaches is not true. (there are 35 or so)

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 21, 2014, 05:01:57 PM
I'm not getting involved in the tit for tat nonsense but I was told a story by a guy recently that I wanted to check with some of the Dublin lads.

He's not one for bullshitting but he reckoned at least 90% of the Dublin lads are Full Time GAA players. I'd love to see the pen pics from yesterdays programme to see the actual occupations but he reckons the majority are students/teachers and that in the summer months they are full time in NADA where their S&C sessions are logged, all their food/supplements are supplied and all physio/rehab is done during the day and they have their field sessions in the evening.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Don't get me wrong there is a hell of a lot of work done before that to get lads into that position but is there any other county in Ireland that could compete with the above?

I can shed light on it for you. Its not true. All training is done in the evening apart from weekends. Same as people saying there are 100 full time coaches is not true. (there are 35 or so)

According to the Irish Times last month, Jason Sherlock was Dublin's 54th full-time coach.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 21, 2014, 05:03:57 PM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum
fair point.

however, Dublin have over 100 paid coaches in clubs? That is a huge issue
Our club wouldn't see a paid coach from one end of the year to the next.

If you knew your facts which you clearly don't you'd know the clubs fork out at least 50 percent of the cost of the club coach. Some of them pay 100 percent if they want a particular coach. That's hard earned members cash by the way.

So come back with the facts the next time.

where does the other 50% of the funding come from? Central GAA.
nothing like that available outside the Pale.
not even if 5 clubs pooled together would something like that be funded.

It's funded by the county board. It's like anything you get what you put into things. We don't spend a 100k a year on waste of time managers. For his time and effort Gavin gets the sum of zero euros. Can the likes of Kildare and others say the same?

For that hundred k you get 6 full time coaches if the clubs cover half the cost. It's costs a club 18k a year for a coach in Dublin.

I stayed in the ground for 40 mins after the final whistle yesterday because I can remember the years from 1995 to 2002 when we couldn't win a Leinster championship. For the all the talk of money we've won 2 all Ireland's since 1983.

Kilkenny and Kerry never get levelled with the sort of media bile out there.

Just look at mayo people laugh at their record in all Ireland finals but forget that they are currently the closest county to Dublin in terms of ability in my view and I doubt very much they've had millions invested.

So they obviously do something right up there. The best outside footballers to play for our club all came from Mayo and they didn't get paid a cent.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on July 21, 2014, 05:39:09 PM
Half the population of Ireland live in Dublin.  .
Approx 6.4 million people now live in Ireland ( all 32 counties of it ). 1.3 m in Dublin = 20% roughly.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on July 21, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
P.s if youz culchies really love your game you'll get out and start coaching kids and play your part in getting your county in order and rise to the level of standard Dublin have set rather than moaning about the other team being better on an Internet forum
fair point.

however, Dublin have over 100 paid coaches in clubs? That is a huge issue
Our club wouldn't see a paid coach from one end of the year to the next.

If you knew your facts which you clearly don't you'd know the clubs fork out at least 50 percent of the cost of the club coach. Some of them pay 100 percent if they want a particular coach. That's hard earned members cash by the way.

So come back with the facts the next time.

where does the other 50% of the funding come from? Central GAA.
nothing like that available outside the Pale.
not even if 5 clubs pooled together would something like that be funded.

It's funded by the county board. It's like anything you get what you put into things. We don't spend a 100k a year on waste of time managers. For his time and effort Gavin gets the sum of zero euros. Can the likes of Kildare and others say the same?

For that hundred k you get 6 full time coaches if the clubs cover half the cost. It's costs a club 18k a year for a coach in Dublin.

I stayed in the ground for 40 mins after the final whistle yesterday because I can remember the years from 1995 to 2002 when we couldn't win a Leinster championship. For the all the talk of money we've won 2 all Ireland's since 1983.

Kilkenny and Kerry never get levelled with the sort of media bile out there.

Just look at mayo people laugh at their record in all Ireland finals but forget that they are currently the closest county to Dublin in terms of ability in my view and I doubt very much they've had millions invested.

So they obviously do something right up there. The best outside footballers to play for our club all came from Mayo and they didn't get paid a cent.


I don't disagree with anything you say. Yesterday Dublin won their 9th Leinster title in ten years. Dublin have lost just once in their last 29 Leinster outings. Leinster is only just a passive hindrance at the Moment to the Capital on it's way to the QFs. This will not change. 
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: RadioGAAGAA on July 21, 2014, 06:26:17 PM
Due to a number of factors beyond the GAA's control, Dublin have a number of inherent advantages:

- Greater amount of jobs within the county relative to others enticing people to the city and mitigating against the drain some other counties experience.
- Closer proximity of jobs to the home, shortening travel time from home to work to training - giving players relatively more time to devote to the sport.
- Substantially greater numbers playing the game at all levels, despite participation rates probably being relatively low compared to other areas of the country. This obviously increases the chances of finding enough of those with the required mix of skill and dedication to be county grade players.
- Greater concentration of general sporting facilities allowing players to work out at their leisure.

But against that, they have the issue of a greater level of distractions.


We are seeing in the tougher economic times of the past few years that the country teams have lost out as players, or would be players, are too busy concerning themselves with the small matter of putting food on the table to be able to put in the required amount of training to keep up... or they have to move to get work somewhere else. But it knocks on beyond that. Parents don't have time to run their kids to every session, coaches can't find time to run the sessions as much as they'd like and teenagers are walking out from their leaving certs and heading to the airport in their droves to find work abroad.

The economy turned to crap in 2007. Someone that is 22 now was 15 then. It all cascades.


As to what to do about it... it'll need someone brighter than me to fix it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: dferg on July 21, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
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Half the population of Ireland live in Dublin.  .
Approx 6.4 million people now live in Ireland ( all 32 counties of it ). 1.3 m in Dublin = 20% roughly.
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1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 21, 2014, 09:13:57 PM
[quuote author=Rossfan link=topic=23775.msg1378960#msg1378960 date=1405960749]
Half the population of Ireland live in Dublin.  .
Approx 6.4 million people now live in Ireland ( all 32 counties of it ). 1.3 m in Dublin = 20% roughly.

1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage
[/quote]greater Dublin area includes parts of its bordering counties, you keep telling yourself lies sunshine.
Just imagine how good we'd be of we had natural footballers
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Hill is Blue on July 21, 2014, 09:26:44 PM
1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage

The solution is obvious then – give counties the option of amalgamating with neighbouring counties to counter Dublin’s supposed population advantage.   
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 21, 2014, 09:55:49 PM
1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage

The solution is obvious then – give counties the option of amalgamating with neighbouring counties to counter Dublin’s supposed population advantage.

The solution is to divvy up the money better.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: dferg on July 21, 2014, 10:00:31 PM
1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage

The solution is obvious then – give counties the option of amalgamating with neighbouring counties to counter Dublin’s supposed population advantage.

The solution is to divvy up the money better.

I agree.  It's not just the population advantage.  In the past the Culchies could win against the Dubs with greater team work in a tight game.

The professional set up of the Dubs now with superior strength/conditioning mean that the last 15 minutes when the other teams are spent is when the Dubs can notch it up a gear if need be.

I still think Mayo and Kerry have a chance though  :D.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 21, 2014, 10:10:09 PM
1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage

The solution is obvious then – give counties the option of amalgamating with neighbouring counties to counter Dublin’s supposed population advantage.

The solution is to divvy up the money better.

Agreed but money with no plan is a waste of time. laois hurling went with a plan and look at them now.

Population numbers only increases volumes , it doesn't increase quality or anything like it. Germany haven't got to be world class at soccer because of their population. They got their through planning and quality coaching at a young age.

In theory there is no reason why Tyrone couldn't beat Kilkenny at hurling if they were trained to the same standard from the same age. This tradition shite really winds me up- it has NO basis whatsover in producing Gaelic Football teams. Tyrone won 3 all-irelands in 6 years through a plan that they followed through from the early 90's.

Its ironic that the counties like Kildare and Meath in the late 90's 00's were beating Dublin regularly. But they invested nothing in underage while Dublin being slaughtered from all angles took their medicine and put together a plan to improve the quality of the county side at all levels.

If people want to slaughter his with that. That's fine by me.  I've no issue with finance being spread out to other counties. I'd only encourage it. But like our clubs we'll find the money somewhere- because our club people are just as big a die-hards as any of the country Gaa lads- being in an urban setting doesn't change that one iota.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: dubsfantom on July 21, 2014, 10:13:36 PM
I'm not getting involved in the tit for tat nonsense but I was told a story by a guy recently that I wanted to check with some of the Dublin lads.

He's not one for bullshitting but he reckoned at least 90% of the Dublin lads are Full Time GAA players. I'd love to see the pen pics from yesterdays programme to see the actual occupations but he reckons the majority are students/teachers and that in the summer months they are full time in NADA where their S&C sessions are logged, all their food/supplements are supplied and all physio/rehab is done during the day and they have their field sessions in the evening.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Don't get me wrong there is a hell of a lot of work done before that to get lads into that position but is there any other county in Ireland that could compete with the above?

I can shed light on it for you. Its not true. All training is done in the evening apart from weekends. Same as people saying there are 100 full time coaches is not true. (there are 35 or so)

According to the Irish Times last month, Jason Sherlock was Dublin's 54th full-time coach.

Jason Sherlock works full time as a business development manager in the Louis Fitzgerald Hotel. He us part of the coaching team involved with the Dublin Under 14 development squad  like a good number of other ex inter-county players who volunteer with these squads.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 21, 2014, 10:29:35 PM
I'm not getting involved in the tit for tat nonsense but I was told a story by a guy recently that I wanted to check with some of the Dublin lads.

He's not one for bullshitting but he reckoned at least 90% of the Dublin lads are Full Time GAA players. I'd love to see the pen pics from yesterdays programme to see the actual occupations but he reckons the majority are students/teachers and that in the summer months they are full time in NADA where their S&C sessions are logged, all their food/supplements are supplied and all physio/rehab is done during the day and they have their field sessions in the evening.

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Don't get me wrong there is a hell of a lot of work done before that to get lads into that position but is there any other county in Ireland that could compete with the above?

I can shed light on it for you. Its not true. All training is done in the evening apart from weekends. Same as people saying there are 100 full time coaches is not true. (there are 35 or so)

According to the Irish Times last month, Jason Sherlock was Dublin's 54th full-time coach.

Jason Sherlock works full time as a business development manager in the Louis Fitzgerald Hotel. He us part of the coaching team involved with the Dublin Under 14 development squad  like a good number of other ex inter-county players who volunteer with these squads.

The inaccuracies and lies the media spin in relation to this is quite staggering.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 21, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage

A lot of this 1.8 million in greater Dublin live in Meath!


The solution is obvious then – give counties the option of amalgamating with neighbouring counties to counter Dublin’s supposed population advantage.   

Obvious indeed, Dublin have 20% of the population, so they could play against all of the the provinces. This would be an All Ireland with 5 teams, that should scupper the Sky deal and probably GAABoard too. I suppose there would have to be a round robin competition in this case.

If changes are to be made it should be towards the mean, maybe a couple of amalgamations but also splitting Dublin.

Quote from: INDIANIA
Population numbers only increases volumes , it doesn't increase quality or anything like it. Germany haven't got to be world class at soccer because of their population. They got their through planning and quality coaching at a young age.

Population is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for success. Excellent coaching in Fermanagh is unlikely to bring success, the same coaching in Donegal might well bring rewards. Dublin will be dominant unless they do a bad job, and thankfully they are not.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: LeoMc on July 21, 2014, 10:36:08 PM
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Half the population of Ireland live in Dublin.  .
Approx 6.4 million people now live in Ireland ( all 32 counties of it ). 1.3 m in Dublin = 20% roughly.

1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage
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I'm sick of China always winning the World cup.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 21, 2014, 10:40:41 PM
Half the population of Ireland live in Dublin.  .
Approx 6.4 million people now live in Ireland ( all 32 counties of it ). 1.3 m in Dublin = 20% roughly.

1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage

A lot of this 1.8 million in greater Dublin live in Meath!



The solution is obvious then – give counties the option of amalgamating with neighbouring counties to counter Dublin’s supposed population advantage.   

Obvious indeed, Dublin have 20% of the population, so they could play against all of the the provinces. This would be an All Ireland with 5 teams, that should scupper the Sky deal and probably GAABoard too. I suppose there would have to be a round robin competition in this case.

If changes are to be made it should be towards the mean, maybe a couple of amalgamations but also splitting Dublin.

Quote from: INDIANIA
Population numbers only increases volumes , it doesn't increase quality or anything like it. Germany haven't got to be world class at soccer because of their population. They got their through planning and quality coaching at a young age.

Population is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition for success. Excellent coaching in Fermanagh is unlikely to bring success, the same coaching in Donegal might well bring rewards. Dublin will be dominant unless they do a bad job, and thankfully they are not.
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Biggest problem for smaller counties is getting their best players out. I still maintain if a lot of these counties got their absolute best players out things would be hell of a lot more competiitve.

As for the Fermanagh example- nobody would ever have said they could get to within a kick of a ball to the All-Ireland Final. You hang around for long enough even with a small population with the right coaching structures and there will be years the big counties won't be as strong. And thats the opportunity.

But you have to hang around long enough and not just give up because some counties have bigger populations. You get good development structures even with a small pick and provincial titles at least are possible.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: seafoid on July 21, 2014, 10:45:54 PM
1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage

The solution is obvious then – give counties the option of amalgamating with neighbouring counties to counter Dublin’s supposed population advantage.

The solution is to divvy up the money better.
Meath had a transfusion of population from Galway in the 20s and they started winning all Irelands, syf. The first one was 1949, when the first load of galwegians born in the county  were football ready. That is probably Roscommon's best hope for the future.   
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 22, 2014, 12:57:58 AM
1.8 million in greater Dublin area vs 120000 in meath.  60000 in Roscommon.  30000 in leitrim. Combined with all the other factors it is a significant advantage

The solution is obvious then – give counties the option of amalgamating with neighbouring counties to counter Dublin’s supposed population advantage.

The solution is to divvy up the money better.
Meath had a transfusion of population from Galway in the 20s and they started winning all Irelands, syf. The first one was 1949, when the first load of galwegians born in the county  were football ready. That is probably Roscommon's best hope for the future.
Roscommon have two All Ireland's, before 1949.

In a communist system like the GAA - the funding will always favour the larger counties. And the larger counties have more influence.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 22, 2014, 08:39:16 AM
Lads lets be serious here the Cluxtons, Flynns, Connolly, Brogans of this world are players who come along every 20 years. Dublin are having their purple patch. I'd be shocked if the players who replace these lads in 5-6 years are of their standard, despite the recent underage success.

Tyrone won 5 All Ireland minor titles (I think) in the 2000s and we've seen those players arent of the 97/98 standard.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: J OGorman on July 22, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
Lads lets be serious here the Cluxtons, Flynns, Connolly, Brogans of this world are players who come along every 20 years. Dublin are having their purple patch. I'd be shocked if the players who replace these lads in 5-6 years are of their standard, despite the recent underage success.

Tyrone won 5 All Ireland minor titles (I think) in the 2000s and we've seen those players arent of the 97/98 standard.

You are talking about 5 players who would near grace any football dream team. Huge natural ability. The talent is still coming through, will they be as good?  And when the likes of Mannion and Costello fill out a bit, they will be serious forwards (more so than now). How long will the purple patch continue? I can see them win 7/8 of the next 10 AI's. Will be some scalp though when the likes of Mayo, Kerry slay the mighty beast on their home patch . Do we not always trot out how hard it is to defend an AI? Well, surely going back to win 3/4/5 in row would be some ask, even for the Dubs (especially when some of them finally get a job! ;-) )
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 22, 2014, 09:45:45 AM
Lads lets be serious here the Cluxtons, Flynns, Connolly, Brogans of this world are players who come along every 20 years. Dublin are having their purple patch. I'd be shocked if the players who replace these lads in 5-6 years are of their standard, despite the recent underage success.

Tyrone won 5 All Ireland minor titles (I think) in the 2000s and we've seen those players arent of the 97/98 standard.
I'd believe that if it weren't for the fact that another crop of minors have come through and the same with U21s.

Do Dublin supporters here think that other county boards in Leinster are stupid and haven't submitted plans for funding?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: thewobbler on July 22, 2014, 09:53:20 AM
If I have only one hope for this GAA season, it's that either of the sparsely-populated, emigration-ravished land masses that are Donegal and Mayo, beat Dublin in Croke Park. I don't care how they do they do, just that they do so.

Maybe after that happens, all of the hype swillers on this thread and around Ireland, might take a step back and realise that pots of cash, extensive training regimes, professional coaches and backroom staff, development structures, soft jobs, and big game experience do not win All-Irelands. Players win All-Irelands. Dublin have a natural advantage there at present, but every player can and will have off days.



Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Walter Cronc on July 22, 2014, 09:57:50 AM
Lads lets be serious here the Cluxtons, Flynns, Connolly, Brogans of this world are players who come along every 20 years. Dublin are having their purple patch. I'd be shocked if the players who replace these lads in 5-6 years are of their standard, despite the recent underage success.

Tyrone won 5 All Ireland minor titles (I think) in the 2000s and we've seen those players arent of the 97/98 standard.
I'd believe that if it weren't for the fact that another crop of minors have come through and the same with U21s.

Do Dublin supporters here think that other county boards in Leinster are stupid and haven't submitted plans for funding?

Winning provincial U21 titles or even All Irelands does not guarantee senior success. Cavan and Galway prime examples!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 22, 2014, 10:19:00 AM
If I have only one hope for this GAA season, it's that either of the sparsely-populated, emigration-ravished land masses that are Donegal and Mayo, beat Dublin in Croke Park. I don't care how they do they do, just that they do so.

Maybe after that happens, all of the hype swillers on this thread and around Ireland, might take a step back and realise that pots of cash, extensive training regimes, professional coaches and backroom staff, development structures, soft jobs, and big game experience do not win All-Irelands. Players win All-Irelands. Dublin have a natural advantage there at present, but every player can and will have off days.

They do but they don't develop themselves
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 22, 2014, 10:24:06 AM
If I have only one hope for this GAA season, it's that either of the sparsely-populated, emigration-ravished land masses that are Donegal and Mayo, beat Dublin in Croke Park. I don't care how they do they do, just that they do so.

Maybe after that happens, all of the hype swillers on this thread and around Ireland, might take a step back and realise that pots of cash, extensive training regimes, professional coaches and backroom staff, development structures, soft jobs, and big game experience do not win All-Irelands. Players win All-Irelands. Dublin have a natural advantage there at present, but every player can and will have off days.
maybe.
but if you have 30 players trained to a level higher than any other county, with a targetted program to peak for each game it makes it unbalanced. then even if say 6/7 of them have a bad day they have reinforcements to change the game.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 22, 2014, 11:13:14 AM
Lads lets be serious here the Cluxtons, Flynns, Connolly, Brogans of this world are players who come along every 20 years. Dublin are having their purple patch. I'd be shocked if the players who replace these lads in 5-6 years are of their standard, despite the recent underage success.

Tyrone won 5 All Ireland minor titles (I think) in the 2000s and we've seen those players arent of the 97/98 standard.

You do realise that those players you listed were around when Dubl$n were getting destroyed by the better teams? It's the long list of talent that have come through the multi million euro system that changed Dubl$n from also rans into the top team. That's a system that was and is funded by all our money, even people who have nothing to do with the GAA have funded it. The money is still being pumped in, hence more and more talent keeps emerging.
Look, it's simple. People are getting paid huge money to plan and organise the underage system and then they have huge money to pay the games development officers, coaches etc to implement it. On top of that there's huge money available to prepare senior teams. This is before you talk about the facilities available, the population advantage they already have, the playing every game at home and so forth. How is it even possible not to be successful with this in place? The money guarantees success especially when you consider that no other county comes close to this level of resources. It's basically one county operating on a professional level versus every other county operating on an amateur basis.
In an amateur sport this is cheating, it's financial cheating and it can't go on.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 22, 2014, 11:42:27 AM
If I have only one hope for this GAA season, it's that either of the sparsely-populated, emigration-ravished land masses that are Donegal and Mayo, beat Dublin in Croke Park. I don't care how they do they do, just that they do so.

Maybe after that happens, all of the hype swillers on this thread and around Ireland, might take a step back and realise that pots of cash, extensive training regimes, professional coaches and backroom staff, development structures, soft jobs, and big game experience do not win All-Irelands. Players win All-Irelands. Dublin have a natural advantage there at present, but every player can and will have off days.

They do but they don't develop themselves
I know Indy, but other counties face problems that doesn't enter the picture where Dublin is concerned. Foremost amongst them is the issue of travel time and expenses.

The Leitrim championship panel used to train in Trim. (At least they did for a period during the mid-noughties.)
Around that time Dublin-based players of Mayo and Kerry trained in the Phoenix Park under the supervision of Mícheál O'Muircheartaigh. Dunno what other counties do but logistics are a problem for all counties who have players living and working a distance from their home patch.
Gilroy and maybe Gavin also could arrange early morning training sessions which just couldn't be done elsewhere.
I don't want to be bitten by a rabid Dub supported but I think the results of the study carried out during Peter Quinn's presidency should be looked at again.
One of the chief recommendations was that Dublin be divided in two and, predictably, that met with howls of protest fro the Molly Malones. The findings were promptly shelved which was really a pity as there were other issues investigated.
The falling away of  playing members as they got older was a countrywide worry and this was the main remit of the committee appointed. Dublin was found to have the biggest drop out rate of the lot. Dublin had the largest number of players. Cork had more clubs than any other county, Dublin included, but no one else had the superclubs  to be found in Dublin.
The committee reported that each of 5 named clubs fielded more underage players at weekends than any of five named counties. At this remove in time, I can't honsestly name all five ib eithe rcase but I know Cavan, Fermanagh and Leitrim were three of the counties and 'boden, Thomas Davis, Brigid's and Vincents were four of the five clubs in question.
So Dublin was the region with the fastest growing population numbers and at the same time, the highest drop out rate. No wonder GAA heads were worried.
One of the recommendations was that Dublin should be split in two but unfortunately none of the committee's findings   were implemented.
The imbalance is growing all the while.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Franko on July 22, 2014, 12:07:02 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2014, 12:16:44 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Lol, Derry complaining about 30k.

Leitrim are sponsored by a three star hotel.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: thewobbler on July 22, 2014, 12:17:53 PM
Lads lets be serious here the Cluxtons, Flynns, Connolly, Brogans of this world are players who come along every 20 years. Dublin are having their purple patch. I'd be shocked if the players who replace these lads in 5-6 years are of their standard, despite the recent underage success.

Tyrone won 5 All Ireland minor titles (I think) in the 2000s and we've seen those players arent of the 97/98 standard.

You do realise that those players you listed were around when Dubl$n were getting destroyed by the better teams? It's the long list of talent that have come through the multi million euro system that changed Dubl$n from also rans into the top team. That's a system that was and is funded by all our money, even people who have nothing to do with the GAA have funded it. The money is still being pumped in, hence more and more talent keeps emerging.
Look, it's simple. People are getting paid huge money to plan and organise the underage system and then they have huge money to pay the games development officers, coaches etc to implement it. On top of that there's huge money available to prepare senior teams. This is before you talk about the facilities available, the population advantage they already have, the playing every game at home and so forth. How is it even possible not to be successful with this in place? The money guarantees success especially when you consider that no other county comes close to this level of resources. It's basically one county operating on a professional level versus every other county operating on an amateur basis.
In an amateur sport this is cheating, it's financial cheating and it can't go on.

They've won 2 All-Irelands in 3 years. In the past 20 years, Kerry won 4 in 6 years (with 2 final appearances in between), Tyrone won 3 in 6, Meath won 2 in 4, Galway won 2 in 4 with 1 appearance in between.

In 2009, everyone reckoned Kerry were on the cusp of greatness.
In 2010, the consensus was that Cork could dominate for years with burgeoning young talent coming into the best panel ever.
In 2012, it was clear to the entire world that nobody would ever break down Donegal's system.

All these big statements about Dublin dominance. Can't you at least wait until they've actually dominated the game for an extended period of time before making them?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Franko on July 22, 2014, 12:18:06 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Lol, Derry complaining about 30k.

Leitrim are sponsored by a three star hotel.

Hence my point.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: screenexile on July 22, 2014, 12:18:41 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Lol, Derry complaining about 30k.

Leitrim are sponsored by a three star hotel.

If only wee could join the top table like the big lads and get our own bus we'd be flying!!!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 22, 2014, 12:19:55 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Sorry that's bullshit. I've no issue with Dublin getting the lowest grants from hq of any county .

But pooling of sponsorship is where I draw the line. That sponsorship covers the entire spectrum of Dublin teams and isn't ring fenced for the seniors.

We are entitled to get whatever our brand dictates. Donegal spent 1.5m to win the all Ireland in 2012. The idea that money is Dublin only is complete clap trap.

Donegal have had more training camps in fancy complexes then the Germans did in the WC. So they obviously have private investors that they don't tell anyone about.?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2014, 12:21:32 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Lol, Derry complaining about 30k.

Leitrim are sponsored by a three star hotel.

Hence my point.

Aye, but we should look at Dublin's ability to attract sponsors as an advantage. Cutting up a good chunk that money up in a structured manner and using it to fund county teams without that pulling power would go a long way towards making a more competitive IC scene. In the end that would only benefit everyone, Dublin included.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bingo on July 22, 2014, 12:21:57 PM
How often do Dublin players line out/train with their clubs? Compared to other counties.

I know in Monaghan the players would be playing league games and attending the odd club training.

How does it work in other counties. I've heard it said that they mightn't see the clubs until championship but no idea how true this is.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 22, 2014, 12:29:24 PM
If I have only one hope for this GAA season, it's that either of the sparsely-populated, emigration-ravished land masses that are Donegal and Mayo, beat Dublin in Croke Park. I don't care how they do they do, just that they do so.

Maybe after that happens, all of the hype swillers on this thread and around Ireland, might take a step back and realise that pots of cash, extensive training regimes, professional coaches and backroom staff, development structures, soft jobs, and big game experience do not win All-Irelands. Players win All-Irelands. Dublin have a natural advantage there at present, but every player can and will have off days.

They do but they don't develop themselves
I know Indy, but other counties face problems that doesn't enter the picture where Dublin is concerned. Foremost amongst them is the issue of travel time and expenses.

The Leitrim championship panel used to train in Trim. (At least they did for a period during the mid-noughties.)
Around that time Dublin-based players of Mayo and Kerry trained in the Phoenix Park under the supervision of Mícheál O'Muircheartaigh. Dunno what other counties do but logistics are a problem for all counties who have players living and working a distance from their home patch.
Gilroy and maybe Gavin also could arrange early morning training sessions which just couldn't be done elsewhere.
I don't want to be bitten by a rabid Dub supported but I think the results of the study carried out during Peter Quinn's presidency should be looked at again.
One of the chief recommendations was that Dublin be divided in two and, predictably, that met with howls of protest fro the Molly Malones. The findings were promptly shelved which was really a pity as there were other issues investigated.
The falling away of  playing members as they got older was a countrywide worry and this was the main remit of the committee appointed. Dublin was found to have the biggest drop out rate of the lot. Dublin had the largest number of players. Cork had more clubs than any other county, Dublin included, but no one else had the superclubs  to be found in Dublin.
The committee reported that each of 5 named clubs fielded more underage players at weekends than any of five named counties. At this remove in time, I can't honsestly name all five ib eithe rcase but I know Cavan, Fermanagh and Leitrim were three of the counties and 'boden, Thomas Davis, Brigid's and Vincents were four of the five clubs in question.
So Dublin was the region with the fastest growing population numbers and at the same time, the highest drop out rate. No wonder GAA heads were worried.
One of the recommendations was that Dublin should be split in two but unfortunately none of the committee's findings   were implemented.
The imbalance is growing all the while.

First thing Dublin team don't train at 6am anymore. They also don't train twice a day . That's long gone.

I accept what you're saying but try getting across Dublin City in rush hour for training. We have no training centre and are effectively nomads. Some lads would easily spend an hour trying to get to training depending on where they live.

St Vincent's have four adult football teams and we are struggling to maintain that. Compared to country clubs that might be a lot but we are barely top 15 in numbers in Dublin. We are tiny compared to Crokes or Boden.

Outside brigids super clubs don't exist on the northside. It's the southside where the gaa explosion has taken place. A lot of parents in rugby playing areas don't want their kids pursuing rugby anymore. So now Dalkey , Kilmacud etc has seen a GAA explosion in recent years. So whoever was on that committee did shag all research.

Outside players. Most of the top clubs in Dublin have a third if their team from the country. Or if your parnells there is no point in Gavin watching them play.

A lot if scaremongering out there and a lot of it based on pure innuendo and misinformation peddled by the Kerry brigade who run the Independent Media Group.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 22, 2014, 12:31:09 PM

They've won 2 All-Irelands in 3 years. In the past 20 years, Kerry won 4 in 6 years (with 2 final appearances in between), Tyrone won 3 in 6, Meath won 2 in 4, Galway won 2 in 4 with 1 appearance in between.

In 2009, everyone reckoned Kerry were on the cusp of greatness.
In 2010, the consensus was that Cork could dominate for years with burgeoning young talent coming into the best panel ever.
In 2012, it was clear to the entire world that nobody would ever break down Donegal's system.

All these big statements about Dublin dominance. Can't you at least wait until they've actually dominated the game for an extended period of time before making them?

Did any of those other counties have millions upon millions of euro available for underage structures and the preparation of senior teams? The situation is wrong whether Dubl$n win 10 All Irelands in a row or none. It's not just 2 All Irelands either, there's been a huge number of underage titles plus look what's happened with their hurling team. The Leinster football championship is dead and it's hard to see how any team can compete in the All Ireland series. With the sponsorship money Dubl$n have garnered through their increased success that was funded by all of us the whole thing is long out of control.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 22, 2014, 12:34:06 PM
How often do Dublin players line out/train with their clubs? Compared to other counties.

I know in Monaghan the players would be playing league games and attending the odd club training.

How does it work in other counties. I've heard it said that they mightn't see the clubs until championship but no idea how true this is.

Top 15 would play 3-4 league matches a year. Maybe.

15-26 - maybe 8-9

26-35 - probably 12 out of 15.

Week of a club championship match will train with club. Until Dublin are out you will never see them for training purposes outside that week.

It's a serious sore point in the county for clubs. Gavin has been more forthcoming with players then previous managements but still not good enough in my view.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bingo on July 22, 2014, 12:38:48 PM
How often do Dublin players line out/train with their clubs? Compared to other counties.

I know in Monaghan the players would be playing league games and attending the odd club training.

How does it work in other counties. I've heard it said that they mightn't see the clubs until championship but no idea how true this is.

Top 15 would play 3-4 league matches a year. Maybe.

15-26 - maybe 8-9

26-35 - probably 12 out of 15.

Week of a club championship match will train with club. Until Dublin are out you will never see them for training purposes outside that week.

It's a serious sore point in the county for clubs. Gavin has been more forthcoming with players then previous managements but still not good enough in my view.

Its a problem in all counties I'd imagine. Success brings its own problems (like above) while lack of success will also bring different problems with players not committing to county panels or trying to be as committed to clubs.

I'd love to know how Gavin identifies the 15-26 players given his squad!  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: thewobbler on July 22, 2014, 12:45:40 PM

They've won 2 All-Irelands in 3 years. In the past 20 years, Kerry won 4 in 6 years (with 2 final appearances in between), Tyrone won 3 in 6, Meath won 2 in 4, Galway won 2 in 4 with 1 appearance in between.

In 2009, everyone reckoned Kerry were on the cusp of greatness.
In 2010, the consensus was that Cork could dominate for years with burgeoning young talent coming into the best panel ever.
In 2012, it was clear to the entire world that nobody would ever break down Donegal's system.

All these big statements about Dublin dominance. Can't you at least wait until they've actually dominated the game for an extended period of time before making them?

Did any of those other counties have millions upon millions of euro available for underage structures and the preparation of senior teams? The situation is wrong whether Dubl$n win 10 All Irelands in a row or none. It's not just 2 All Irelands either, there's been a huge number of underage titles plus look what's happened with their hurling team. The Leinster football championship is dead and it's hard to see how any team can compete in the All Ireland series. With the sponsorship money Dubl$n have garnered through their increased success that was funded by all of us the whole thing is long out of control.


If the Leinster Championship is dead, then instead of blaming systems and searching for inequalities, the other 10 counties might want to look at how and what the likes of Mayo (130k population), Donegal (160k), Kerry (145k) and Monaghan (60k) will do in order to stay competitive when they meet Dublin.

By the way, Dublin have won 1 minor football AI in 30 years.  Those structures just keep producing the goods.

Out of control?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Franko on July 22, 2014, 12:47:19 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Sorry that's bullshit. I've no issue with Dublin getting the lowest grants from hq of any county .

But pooling of sponsorship is where I draw the line. That sponsorship covers the entire spectrum of Dublin teams and isn't ring fenced for the seniors.

We are entitled to get whatever our brand dictates. Donegal spent 1.5m to win the all Ireland in 2012. The idea that money is Dublin only is complete clap trap.

Donegal have had more training camps in fancy complexes then the Germans did in the WC. So they obviously have private investors that they don't tell anyone about.?

The bit in bold is irrelevant and for what it's worth, so does Derry's.

I'm not talking about all sponsorhip - just the kit.  Your 'brand' only attracts this money because it's part of the overall GAA setup.  Take away the other teams and you don't have a brand to sell.  The rest of the GAA creates the platform for Dublin to attract this sponsorship and the shop window from where to display it yet it's only Dublin which reaps any benefit.

Obviously Donegal managed to do this but it's unsustainable.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: LeoMc on July 22, 2014, 12:48:54 PM
Are Fingal hurling only?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 22, 2014, 12:50:22 PM
Get the Dubs out of Croke Park.
If that game was played in Navan we would have made bits of them.
Also, rotate them around the other provinces.
Let them play in Munster next year.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Hound on July 22, 2014, 12:58:47 PM
Get the Dubs out of Croke Park.
If that game was played in Navan we would have made bits of them.
Also, rotate them around the other provinces.
Let them play in Munster next year.
That's an interesting one!

In the talks of moving counties between provinces its generally been the weaker counties who are the ones talked about getting shoved around.

Having Dublin rotate between the Leinster - Munster - Connacht championships on a 3 year cycle would shake things up nicely!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: rodney trotter on July 22, 2014, 01:00:56 PM
If I have only one hope for this GAA season, it's that either of the sparsely-populated, emigration-ravished land masses that are Donegal and Mayo, beat Dublin in Croke Park. I don't care how they do they do, just that they do so.

Maybe after that happens, all of the hype swillers on this thread and around Ireland, might take a step back and realise that pots of cash, extensive training regimes, professional coaches and backroom staff, development structures, soft jobs, and big game experience do not win All-Irelands. Players win All-Irelands. Dublin have a natural advantage there at present, but every player can and will have off days.

They do but they don't develop themselves
I know Indy, but other counties face problems that doesn't enter the picture where Dublin is concerned. Foremost amongst them is the issue of travel time and expenses.

The Leitrim championship panel used to train in Trim. (At least they did for a period during the mid-noughties.)
Around that time Dublin-based players of Mayo and Kerry trained in the Phoenix Park under the supervision of Mícheál O'Muircheartaigh. Dunno what other counties do but logistics are a problem for all counties who have players living and working a distance from their home patch.
Gilroy and maybe Gavin also could arrange early morning training sessions which just couldn't be done elsewhere.
I don't want to be bitten by a rabid Dub supported but I think the results of the study carried out during Peter Quinn's presidency should be looked at again.
One of the chief recommendations was that Dublin be divided in two and, predictably, that met with howls of protest fro the Molly Malones. The findings were promptly shelved which was really a pity as there were other issues investigated.
The falling away of  playing members as they got older was a countrywide worry and this was the main remit of the committee appointed. Dublin was found to have the biggest drop out rate of the lot. Dublin had the largest number of players. Cork had more clubs than any other county, Dublin included, but no one else had the superclubs  to be found in Dublin.
The committee reported that each of 5 named clubs fielded more underage players at weekends than any of five named counties. At this remove in time, I can't honsestly name all five ib eithe rcase but I know Cavan, Fermanagh and Leitrim were three of the counties and 'boden, Thomas Davis, Brigid's and Vincents were four of the five clubs in question.
So Dublin was the region with the fastest growing population numbers and at the same time, the highest drop out rate. No wonder GAA heads were worried.
One of the recommendations was that Dublin should be split in two but unfortunately none of the committee's findings   were implemented.
The imbalance is growing all the while.

What year was this ? If  they did a review on Cavan now it would hardly be like that
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2014, 01:01:31 PM
Get the Dubs out of Croke Park.
If that game was played in Navan we would have made bits of them.
Also, rotate them around the other provinces.
Let them play in Munster next year.
That's an interesting one!

In the talks of moving counties between provinces its generally been the weaker counties who are the ones talked about getting shoved around.

Having Dublin rotate between the Leinster - Munster - Connacht championships on a 3 year cycle would shake things up nicely!

You'd never win a Connacht title. Nature itself would rise up against you.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 22, 2014, 01:25:21 PM
I'd say the grass in the Hyde would be some length if the Dubs came to town.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2014, 01:35:51 PM
I'd say the grass in the Hyde would be some length if the Dubs came to town.

When was the last time Dublin played in Hyde Park?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 22, 2014, 01:36:44 PM
The last time they cut the grass probably.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on July 22, 2014, 01:41:57 PM
Get the Dubs out of Croke Park.
If that game was played in Navan we would have made bits of them.
Also, rotate them around the other provinces.
Let them play in Munster next year.
That's an interesting one!

In the talks of moving counties between provinces its generally been the weaker counties who are the ones talked about getting shoved around.

Having Dublin rotate between the Leinster - Munster - Connacht championships on a 3 year cycle would shake things up nicely!

Great idea if you want to put a county on a pedestal! You could imagine them looking to win the Grand slam of Provincial trophies! There would be some noses put out of joint if they did that in Ulster or Munster?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 22, 2014, 02:18:28 PM
If the Leinster Championship is dead, then instead of blaming systems and searching for inequalities, the other 10 counties might want to look at how and what the likes of Mayo (130k population), Donegal (160k), Kerry (145k) and Monaghan (60k) will do in order to stay competitive when they meet Dublin.

By the way, Dublin have won 1 minor football AI in 30 years.  Those structures just keep producing the goods.

Out of control?

Systems and inequalities? Money Wobble, it's money. Why are you avoiding the topic?

They had only won 1 All Ireland u21 title EVER up until 2010. They've added 3 more since then. They won 4 Leinster minor football championships between 1990 and 2008, they've won 4 more since then. They won 1 senior football All Ireland between 1984 and 2010, they've won 2 more since then. That's without looking at the hurling side of things. I don't think you should have brought statistics into it.  ;D

When one county has unlimited resources to fund guaranteed success in both hurling and football, to pay for the services of a World champion boxer and an Olympic champion boxer, to buy their players cars, to have their meals cooked and prepared for the week for them, to get players time off work etc etc etc then yes it's out of control.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2014, 02:22:57 PM
I'd say the grass in the Hyde would be some length if the Dubs came to town.

When was the last time Dublin played in Hyde Park?

Berno was on one of those sports quiz shows a couple years ago and thought Hyde Park was Cavan's home ground.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on July 22, 2014, 02:34:53 PM
I'd say the grass in the Hyde would be some length if the Dubs came to town.

When was the last time Dublin played in Hyde Park?
We bet them in the NFL ..... 2000? I think - Ros4life will no doubt have the answer for sure. :)
We bet them in Parnell Park in 2002(?).
We used to bate Kerry and Donegal too in them days.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2014, 02:51:47 PM
I'd say the grass in the Hyde would be some length if the Dubs came to town.

When was the last time Dublin played in Hyde Park?
We bet them in the NFL ..... 2000? I think - Ros4life will no doubt have the answer for sure. :)
We bet them in Parnell Park in 2002(?).
We used to bate Kerry and Donegal too in them days.

Sure didn't we play them in the league in 2008 when Maughan had us in full meltdown mode?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 22, 2014, 03:45:33 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Sorry that's bullshit. I've no issue with Dublin getting the lowest grants from hq of any county .

But pooling of sponsorship is where I draw the line. That sponsorship covers the entire spectrum of Dublin teams and isn't ring fenced for the seniors.

We are entitled to get whatever our brand dictates. Donegal spent 1.5m to win the all Ireland in 2012. The idea that money is Dublin only is complete clap trap.

Donegal have had more training camps in fancy complexes then the Germans did in the WC. So they obviously have private investors that they don't tell anyone about.?
Its the GAA brand. Not Dublin brand.
The GAA is a Communist system.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 22, 2014, 03:50:48 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Sorry that's bullshit. I've no issue with Dublin getting the lowest grants from hq of any county .

But pooling of sponsorship is where I draw the line. That sponsorship covers the entire spectrum of Dublin teams and isn't ring fenced for the seniors.

We are entitled to get whatever our brand dictates. Donegal spent 1.5m to win the all Ireland in 2012. The idea that money is Dublin only is complete clap trap.

Donegal have had more training camps in fancy complexes then the Germans did in the WC. So they obviously have private investors that they don't tell anyone about.?
Its the GAA brand. Not Dublin brand.
The GAA is a Communist system.

As in Animal Farm?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2014, 04:05:46 PM
The issue of kit sponsorship money also has to be looked at.  Dublin's deal with AIG was something like £700k.  Comparison to Derry's 30k (which is the only one I know - and I'd imagine would be a good average figure) is ridiculous.  The GAA needs to look at centrally pooling this kit sposorship money and redistributing accordingly.

Sorry that's bullshit. I've no issue with Dublin getting the lowest grants from hq of any county .

But pooling of sponsorship is where I draw the line. That sponsorship covers the entire spectrum of Dublin teams and isn't ring fenced for the seniors.

We are entitled to get whatever our brand dictates. Donegal spent 1.5m to win the all Ireland in 2012. The idea that money is Dublin only is complete clap trap.

Donegal have had more training camps in fancy complexes then the Germans did in the WC. So they obviously have private investors that they don't tell anyone about.?
Its the GAA brand. Not Dublin brand.
The GAA is a Communist system.

Who is Eugene McGee on the farm?
As in Animal Farm?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 22, 2014, 04:23:47 PM
One certain consequence of a Dublin split - no more big Dublin support in Croker. Inter county football would return to the sixties! Bye bye clubhouse, bye bye new pitch, bye bye Roscommon bus!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Canalman on July 22, 2014, 05:42:10 PM
One certain consequence of a Dublin split - no more big Dublin support in Croker. Inter county football would return to the sixties! Bye bye clubhouse, bye bye new pitch, bye bye Roscommon bus!

Not to forget the amalgamations of counties for intercounty team purposes.

The elephant in the parlour conveniently forgotten in  the stampede to finish Dublin off as a football force (temporary as it is).

Keep saying this but be careful what you wish for guys in squealing for the traditional county structure to be done away with.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 22, 2014, 05:44:38 PM
One certain consequence of a Dublin split - no more big Dublin support in Croker. Inter county football would return to the sixties! Bye bye clubhouse, bye bye new pitch, bye bye Roscommon bus!

None of the money for our lovely bus came from HQ. Even in your Dubapocaylpse the bus would survive. The bus always survives.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 22, 2014, 09:47:57 PM
If I have only one hope for this GAA season, it's that either of the sparsely-populated, emigration-ravished land masses that are Donegal and Mayo, beat Dublin in Croke Park. I don't care how they do they do, just that they do so.

Maybe after that happens, all of the hype swillers on this thread and around Ireland, might take a step back and realise that pots of cash, extensive training regimes, professional coaches and backroom staff, development structures, soft jobs, and big game experience do not win All-Irelands. Players win All-Irelands. Dublin have a natural advantage there at present, but every player can and will have off days.
It was in the early 90s. I'd say '93.

They do but they don't develop themselves
I know Indy, but other counties face problems that doesn't enter the picture where Dublin is concerned. Foremost amongst them is the issue of travel time and expenses.

The Leitrim championship panel used to train in Trim. (At least they did for a period during the mid-noughties.)
Around that time Dublin-based players of Mayo and Kerry trained in the Phoenix Park under the supervision of Mícheál O'Muircheartaigh. Dunno what other counties do but logistics are a problem for all counties who have players living and working a distance from their home patch.
Gilroy and maybe Gavin also could arrange early morning training sessions which just couldn't be done elsewhere.
I don't want to be bitten by a rabid Dub supported but I think the results of the study carried out during Peter Quinn's presidency should be looked at again.
One of the chief recommendations was that Dublin be divided in two and, predictably, that met with howls of protest fro the Molly Malones. The findings were promptly shelved which was really a pity as there were other issues investigated.
The falling away of  playing members as they got older was a countrywide worry and this was the main remit of the committee appointed. Dublin was found to have the biggest drop out rate of the lot. Dublin had the largest number of players. Cork had more clubs than any other county, Dublin included, but no one else had the superclubs  to be found in Dublin.
The committee reported that each of 5 named clubs fielded more underage players at weekends than any of five named counties. At this remove in time, I can't honsestly name all five ib eithe rcase but I know Cavan, Fermanagh and Leitrim were three of the counties and 'boden, Thomas Davis, Brigid's and Vincents were four of the five clubs in question.
So Dublin was the region with the fastest growing population numbers and at the same time, the highest drop out rate. No wonder GAA heads were worried.
One of the recommendations was that Dublin should be split in two but unfortunately none of the committee's findings   were implemented.
The imbalance is growing all the while.

What year was this ? If  they did a review on Cavan now it would hardly be like that
It was during the early 90s.  I'd say '93.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 22, 2014, 11:38:54 PM
One certain consequence of a Dublin split - no more big Dublin support in Croker. Inter county football would return to the sixties! Bye bye clubhouse, bye bye new pitch, bye bye Roscommon bus!
Not to forget the amalgamations of counties for intercounty team purposes.

The elephant in the parlour conveniently forgotten in  the stampede to finish Dublin off as a football force (temporary as it is).

Keep saying this but be careful what you wish for guys in squealing for the traditional county structure to be done away with.


Clubhouses and the like can be financed by the millons of euro we'll save by splitting Dubl$n, we wont have to pay for you to win All Irelands anymore. Plus we'll divide out your aig money. Good times.
What's the problem anyway? Don't you want to win stuff fairly or are you happy to be bought success?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 12:12:08 AM
One certain consequence of a Dublin split - no more big Dublin support in Croker. Inter county football would return to the sixties! Bye bye clubhouse, bye bye new pitch, bye bye Roscommon bus!
Not to forget the amalgamations of counties for intercounty team purposes.

The elephant in the parlour conveniently forgotten in  the stampede to finish Dublin off as a football force (temporary as it is).

Keep saying this but be careful what you wish for guys in squealing for the traditional county structure to be done away with.


Clubhouses and the like can be financed by the millons of euro we'll save by splitting Dubl$n, we wont have to pay for you to win All Irelands anymore. Plus we'll divide out your aig money. Good times.
What's the problem anyway? Don't you want to win stuff fairly or are you happy to be bought success?

We are just happy to be inspiring kids all over Ireland that you don't need to play 12 men behind the ball in order to win.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 23, 2014, 12:13:22 AM
One certain consequence of a Dublin split - no more big Dublin support in Croker. Inter county football would return to the sixties! Bye bye clubhouse, bye bye new pitch, bye bye Roscommon bus!
Not to forget the amalgamations of counties for intercounty team purposes.

The elephant in the parlour conveniently forgotten in  the stampede to finish Dublin off as a football force (temporary as it is).

Keep saying this but be careful what you wish for guys in squealing for the traditional county structure to be done away with.


Clubhouses and the like can be financed by the millons of euro we'll save by splitting Dubl$n, we wont have to pay for you to win All Irelands anymore. Plus we'll divide out your aig money. Good times.
What's the problem anyway? Don't you want to win stuff fairly or are you happy to be bought success?

We are just happy to be inspiring kids all over Ireland that you don't need to play 12 men behind the ball in order to win.

Well, unless ye play Donegal.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: ross4life on July 23, 2014, 12:29:01 AM
Sure didn't we play them in the league in 2008 when Maughan had us in full meltdown mode?
Less said about that game the better.

I'd say the grass in the Hyde would be some length if the Dubs came to town.

When was the last time Dublin played in Hyde Park?
We bet them in the NFL ..... 2000? I think - Ros4life will no doubt have the answer for sure. :)
We bet them in Parnell Park in 2002(?).
We used to bate Kerry and Donegal too in them days.

Indeed i do it was 2003 when we lost 0-17 to 0-14 but that day Frankie Dolan gave a taste of what was to come that summer with 0-11. We bet the Dubs two years in a row in Parnell park 2001,2002 .

2000 was our last home win v Dublin 1-10 to 0-6 it was, Fergal with the goal.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 07:48:48 AM
Don't matter in answer to your question about winning fair, why don't you debate fair in a constructive manner. Can you name 5 players that played for Dublin on Sunday that came through this money structure your talking about?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 08:01:42 AM
Don't matter in answer to your question about winning fair, why don't you debate fair in a constructive manner. Can you name 5 players that played for Dublin on Sunday that came through this money structure your talking about?

Or let's talk about the ones who didn't.

Paul Flynn - 3 Allstars never played  minor for Dublin. Didn't make the u21 team either- was part of the extended squad. A poor u21 team it must be said. His club is intermediate by the way.

MDMA- best midfielder in Ireland at present. Played one year minor on the bench- never played u21.

Bernard Brogan- never played minor for Dublin and only made the dublin 21's in his final year.

Three of Dublin's best players. People keep talking about the development teams- its the clubs that have done most of the work. Same as it was 50 years ago. None of the above had any access to the money and structures people keep going on about.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2014, 08:28:05 AM
Ha! Flynn and MDMA have been practicality full time athletes the last 5 years at least, Flynn now works for a Dublin Sponsor. Everyone knows Bernard Brogan's profile. It's a reality that the money around Dublin GAA allows these guys to be the best they can be. Other counties do this as well so it's by no means a Dublin thing but the history of sport shows us the co-relationship between finance and success. Think Dublin/Man United Kildare/Leeds Donegal/Chelsea.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Hound on July 23, 2014, 09:07:32 AM
Ha! Flynn and MDMA have been practicality full time athletes the last 5 years at least, Flynn now works for a Dublin Sponsor. Everyone knows Bernard Brogan's profile. It's a reality that the money around Dublin GAA allows these guys to be the best they can be. Other counties do this as well so it's by no means a Dublin thing but the history of sport shows us the co-relationship between finance and success. Think Dublin/Man United Kildare/Leeds Donegal/Chelsea.

Flynn spent most of the last five years doing a college course. Like most intercounty teams, there's a lot of full time students in the squad and a good few teachers. These people tend to have the most spare time to devote to training, no matter what county you are in.

Before setting up his new consultancy firm, Bernard Brogan spent years working in an accountancy practice, while studying at night on his accountancy course while fitting in training with the Dubs (and even Plunketts occassionally!). Being a Dub intercounty star doesn't help one iota when it comes to sitting chartered accountancy exams.

My club stumps up 50% of the cash required for a full-time GPO like most clubs in Dublin. We've no all weather facilities and need more pitches for training, but the committee decided that funding the GPO is higher priority. The GPO spends most of him time going to the 3 or 4 primary schools in the area taking sessions with every class in each school. A big driver in this is the battle v soccer an rubgy.

Our GPO only trains one team at the club - a girl's team. He takes one or two sessions a year with most of the other teams in the club and will give the coaches a session once or twice a year. But the vast bulk of the work done in training the young lads and girls at the club is by Dads and Mums who take the teams.

And of course GPOs can be hit and miss. The previous GPO we had was good with lads between 15s to minors, but had absolutely no interest in young kids whatsover. The new lad is a bit better, but is perhaps a bit "old school" in terms of discipline, which some like and some don't.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Hill is Blue on July 23, 2014, 09:15:09 AM

Clubhouses and the like can be financed by the millons of euro we'll save by splitting Dubl$n, we wont have to pay for you to win All Irelands anymore. Plus we'll divide out your aig money. Good times.
What's the problem anyway? Don't you want to win stuff fairly or are you happy to be bought success?

The way forward is to amalgamate weaker counties – it’s bound to happen. In such a scenario which county(ies) would be willing to join up with Laois?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 09:28:07 AM

Clubhouses and the like can be financed by the millons of euro we'll save by splitting Dubl$n, we wont have to pay for you to win All Irelands anymore. Plus we'll divide out your aig money. Good times.
What's the problem anyway? Don't you want to win stuff fairly or are you happy to be bought success?

The way forward is to amalgamate weaker counties – it’s bound to happen. In such a scenario which county(ies) would be willing to join up with Laois?
no it's not the way forward IMO , county identity and sporting tribalism is fundament heartbeat of the games at inter county level, striping these would be like removing the bottom bricks of the whole structure. If you advocate counties amalgamating you also advocate splitting Dublin. A fair system of spreading the money evenly is required. And that doesn't mean giving a county money to blow on an outside manager for a quick fix. Bottom line, county boards in meath Kildare etc have been lazy in their administration and are now paying he price.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: screenexile on July 23, 2014, 09:48:36 AM
Ha! Flynn and MDMA have been practicality full time athletes the last 5 years at least, Flynn now works for a Dublin Sponsor. Everyone knows Bernard Brogan's profile. It's a reality that the money around Dublin GAA allows these guys to be the best they can be. Other counties do this as well so it's by no means a Dublin thing but the history of sport shows us the co-relationship between finance and success. Think Dublin/Man United Kildare/Leeds Donegal/Chelsea.

Flynn spent most of the last five years doing a college course. Like most intercounty teams, there's a lot of full time students in the squad and a good few teachers. These people tend to have the most spare time to devote to training, no matter what county you are in.

Before setting up his new consultancy firm, Bernard Brogan spent years working in an accountancy practice, while studying at night on his accountancy course while fitting in training with the Dubs (and even Plunketts occassionally!). Being a Dub intercounty star doesn't help one iota when it comes to sitting chartered accountancy exams.

My club stumps up 50% of the cash required for a full-time PRO like most clubs in Dublin. We've no all weather facilities and need more pitches for training, but the committee decided that funding the PRO is higher priority. The PRO spends most of him time going to the 3 or 4 primary schools in the area taking sessions with every class in each school. A big driver in this is the battle v soccer an rubgy.

Our PRO only trains one team at the club - a girl's team. He takes one or two sessions a year with most of the other teams in the club and will give the coaches a session once or twice a year. But the vast bulk of the work done in training the young lads and girls at the club is by Dads and Mums who take the teams.

And of course PROs can be hit and miss. The previous PRO we had was good with lads between 15s to minors, but had absolutely no interest in young kids whatsover. The new lad is a bit better, but is perhaps a bit "old school" in terms of discipline, which some like and some don't.

Jaysus... I'm our Club's PRO and I wouldn't be putting in that kind of effort... also where they fcuk is my cash!!! ;)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Hound on July 23, 2014, 10:02:07 AM

Jaysus... I'm our Club's PRO and I wouldn't be putting in that kind of effort... also where they fcuk is my cash!!! ;)
Frickin TLAs  >:(
(fixed now)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2014, 10:12:50 AM
Full time students? With access to all the training facilities and living close to home.
How many third level colleges in eg Leitrim, Roscommon, Longford or Offaly?


Having a full time GPO takes a HUGE burden off the volunteers in the clubs.
Recruitment of players with a school-club link
Providing structured basic coaching to kids before the come to the club
Ability to organise games and blitzes in conjunction with other club GPOs

The point is that there is no equivalent 50% funding for clubs down the country to even think about hiring a GPO. You try and amalgamate 3/4 clubs together and they still wouldn't get funding.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 10:21:01 AM
Ha! Flynn and MDMA have been practicality full time athletes the last 5 years at least, Flynn now works for a Dublin Sponsor. Everyone knows Bernard Brogan's profile. It's a reality that the money around Dublin GAA allows these guys to be the best they can be. Other counties do this as well so it's by no means a Dublin thing but the history of sport shows us the co-relationship between finance and success. Think Dublin/Man United Kildare/Leeds Donegal/Chelsea.

What do Daniel Flynn, Sean Hurley, Niall Kelly, Paul Cribbin work at Dinny? And that's just the start. I could add ten more to that.

I am very well connected in Kildare and I know for a fact the vast majority of your players are exactly the same.


Think before you post maybe. Students and teachers .
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
Full time students? With access to all the training facilities and living close to home.
How many third level colleges in eg Leitrim, Roscommon, Longford or Offaly?


Having a full time GPO takes a HUGE burden off the volunteers in the clubs.
Recruitment of players with a school-club link
Providing structured basic coaching to kids before the come to the club
Ability to organise games and blitzes in conjunction with other club GPOs

The point is that there is no equivalent 50% funding for clubs down the country to even think about hiring a GPO. You try and amalgamate 3/4 clubs together and they still wouldn't get funding.

Our GPO doesn't train our adult teams or have any input into them

He specifically helps out in the local schools and our juvenile teams.

It's up to your county board to ask for the Funding. If they are readily giving it to Laois hurling there shouldn't be a problem
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: thejuice on July 23, 2014, 10:43:42 AM
I remember before 2011 people often said to me, I hope Dublin won't win an All Ireland as they probably won't shut up about it. Funnily enough it's been rather muted from the capital. It's just the rest of the country won't f**king shut up about Dublin winning.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 11:06:45 AM
Don't matter in answer to your question about winning fair, why don't you debate fair in a constructive manner. Can you name 5 players that played for Dublin on Sunday that came through this money structure your talking about?

Debate what? You received millions to set up successful underage structures and you now have successful underage structures. There's no debating with fact.
O'Carroll, McCarthy, McCaffery, O'Sullivan, McManamon would be 5 names but there's loads more in the squad.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2014, 11:07:29 AM
Ha! Flynn and MDMA have been practicality full time athletes the last 5 years at least, Flynn now works for a Dublin Sponsor. Everyone knows Bernard Brogan's profile. It's a reality that the money around Dublin GAA allows these guys to be the best they can be. Other counties do this as well so it's by no means a Dublin thing but the history of sport shows us the co-relationship between finance and success. Think Dublin/Man United Kildare/Leeds Donegal/Chelsea.

What do Daniel Flynn, Sean Hurley, Niall Kelly, Paul Cribbin work at Dinny? And that's just the start. I could add ten more to that.

I am very well connected in Kildare and I know for a fact the vast majority of your players are exactly the same.


Think before you post maybe. Students and teachers .

Quote
Other counties do this as well

What part of that do you not understand?

Also Daniel Flynn is in Adelaide, we don't have the ability to do with him what Dublin did with Ciaran Kilkenny. Niall Kelly is 20, Hurley (probably gone in the autumn to Oz) and Cribben 22 not exactly comparing like to like are we?

I don't know why Dublin supporter are so obtuse over this, you have a financial advantage among other things over every other county is the country. This is not Dublin's issue, this is a wider issue and if not addressed will not only kill the Leinster Championship but probably the All-Ireland as well.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 11:09:46 AM
Or let's talk about the ones who didn't.

Paul Flynn - 3 Allstars never played  minor for Dublin. Didn't make the u21 team either- was part of the extended squad. A poor u21 team it must be said. His club is intermediate by the way.

MDMA- best midfielder in Ireland at present. Played one year minor on the bench- never played u21.

Bernard Brogan- never played minor for Dublin and only made the dublin 21's in his final year.

Three of Dublin's best players. People keep talking about the development teams- its the clubs that have done most of the work. Same as it was 50 years ago. None of the above had any access to the money and structures people keep going on about.

The Brogans, Cluxton, Connolly and Flynn were around when Dubl$n were getting destroyed, it's the underage machine that has created a team able to compete for All Irelands.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 11:10:44 AM
The way forward is to amalgamate weaker counties – it’s bound to happen. In such a scenario which county(ies) would be willing to join up with Laois?

Why should weaker counties get punished for Dubl$ns cheating?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: LeoMc on July 23, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
One certain consequence of a Dublin split - no more big Dublin support in Croker. Inter county football would return to the sixties! Bye bye clubhouse, bye bye new pitch, bye bye Roscommon bus!

Think of the crowd for the derbies. :D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: LeoMc on July 23, 2014, 11:29:49 AM

Clubhouses and the like can be financed by the millons of euro we'll save by splitting Dubl$n, we wont have to pay for you to win All Irelands anymore. Plus we'll divide out your aig money. Good times.
What's the problem anyway? Don't you want to win stuff fairly or are you happy to be bought success?

The way forward is to amalgamate weaker counties – it’s bound to happen. In such a scenario which county(ies) would be willing to join up with Laois?
no it's not the way forward IMO , county identity and sporting tribalism is fundament heartbeat of the games at inter county level, striping these would be like removing the bottom bricks of the whole structure. If you advocate counties amalgamating you also advocate splitting Dublin. A fair system of spreading the money evenly is required. And that doesn't mean giving a county money to blow on an outside manager for a quick fix. Bottom line, county boards in meath Kildare etc have been lazy in their administration and are now paying he price.

Maybe we should go the whole hog and split the Country up along electoral boundaries then every team has the same potential pick. :P
Counties are only an English thing anyway.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Jack mc cafferey James Mc Carthy Kevin Mcmenoamon all have one thing in common, their fathers played for Dublin,they are steeped in GAA,  they where coming down the line anyway. Cormac costelloe being another. Your argument about underage structures has already Ben destroyed in previous debate and all you can resort to now is calling Dublin cheats. Says more about you than anyone else.
Your own county spent a fortune on outside managers yet not a word from you. You should look to your own county board and endure they are proactive but alas that would be to easy, better to take the hard road and slag off Dublin posters round here claiming we are all junkies.
Silly silly man.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 11:50:29 AM
Jack mc cafferey James Mc Carthy Kevin Mcmenoamon all have one thing in common, their fathers played for Dublin,they are steeped in GAA,  they where coming down the line anyway. Cormac costelloe being another. Your argument about underage structures has already Ben destroyed in previous debate and all you can resort to now is calling Dublin cheats. Says more about you than anyone else.
Your own county spent a fortune on outside managers yet not a word from you. You should look to your own county board and endure they are proactive but alas that would be to easy, better to take the hard road and slag off Dublin posters round here claiming we are all junkies.
Silly silly man.

All the Dubs avoid the topic of the millions of euro being pumped into Dubl$n GAA, what they resort to is what you've just done there. Pointing fingers elsewhere and throwing around a bit of abuse. It's lucky it's just the internet cause one of ye would probably stab me with your needle in real life.
So my argument was never destroyed, mainly because it can't be. Millions of euro in, successful teams out. It's fairly basic stuff, even you Dubs should be able to grasp it. You've been bought All Irelands, this is fact, don't get upset with people for pointing the fact out.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
It's not a fact it's your warped assertion With a your own did inutile solution.
Silly Billy Dint Matter
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 12:22:37 PM
It's not a fact it's your warped assertion With a your own did inutile solution.
Silly Billy Dint Matter

There's plenty of rehab centres you can visit, help is out there for you John boy.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 12:27:51 PM
Ha! Flynn and MDMA have been practicality full time athletes the last 5 years at least, Flynn now works for a Dublin Sponsor. Everyone knows Bernard Brogan's profile. It's a reality that the money around Dublin GAA allows these guys to be the best they can be. Other counties do this as well so it's by no means a Dublin thing but the history of sport shows us the co-relationship between finance and success. Think Dublin/Man United Kildare/Leeds Donegal/Chelsea.

What do Daniel Flynn, Sean Hurley, Niall Kelly, Paul Cribbin work at Dinny? And that's just the start. I could add ten more to that.

I am very well connected in Kildare and I know for a fact the vast majority of your players are exactly the same.


Think before you post maybe. Students and teachers .

Quote
Other counties do this as well

What part of that do you not understand?

Also Daniel Flynn is in Adelaide, we don't have the ability to do with him what Dublin did with Ciaran Kilkenny. Niall Kelly is 20, Hurley (probably gone in the autumn to Oz) and Cribben 22 not exactly comparing like to like are we?

I don't know why Dublin supporter are so obtuse over this, you have a financial advantage among other things over every other county is the country. This is not Dublin's issue, this is a wider issue and if not addressed will not only kill the Leinster Championship but probably the All-Ireland as well.


Its ironic that someone whose county has paid managers since the mid 90s. And you wonder why you've no development structures?

We don't waste our money on those things we invest in clubs.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 12:28:42 PM
It's not a fact it's your warped assertion With a your own did inutile solution.
Silly Billy Dint Matter

There's plenty of rehab centres you can visit, help is out there for you John boy.

While he may need rehab you need to find a mental institution . That's if they'd have you.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 12:31:02 PM
Its ironic that someone whose county has paid managers since the mid 90s. And you wonder why you've no development structures?

We don't waste our money on those things we invest in clubs.

It's not your money, it's money taken from everyone else. Even people not involved in the GAA.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 12:33:17 PM
While he may need rehab you need to find a mental institution . That's if they'd have you.

You posting that from your cell?  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 12:35:05 PM
It's not a fact it's your warped assertion With a your own did inutile solution.
Silly Billy Dint Matter

There's plenty of rehab centres you can visit, help is out there for you John boy.
are you speaking from experience?
You not the worst, pity your obvious hatred of Dublin is blinding your potential,
Dublin needed investment because of its special nature.hurlers got most of it! I hold the opinion that money should be divided out fairly and not given to counties to cover wasteful spending on unnecessary debt accrued from incompetent county boards with big spending on outside managers and white elephant stadiums and lavish transport facilities.
Splitting a county isn't the answer!
How much did Laois receive for the redevelopment of croke park ?
How much was Justin mc nulty and staff paid?
Dublin are a great GAA county with currently a great team.
Laois are shite. Status quo really!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: haranguerer on July 23, 2014, 12:44:50 PM
Do away with the whole county thing as the main annual gaa competition. Play it off every few years if you want, a la world cup. It makes no sense, and is a drawback to the development of the game.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 12:46:40 PM
Do away with the whole county thing as the main annual gaa competition. Play it off every few years if you want, a la world cup. It makes no sense, and is a drawback to the development of the game.
what colour are your polls?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
are you speaking from experience?
You not the worst, pity your obvious hatred of Dublin is blinding your potential,
Dublin needed investment because of its special nature.hurlers got most of it! I hold the opinion that money should be divided out fairly and not given to counties to cover wasteful spending on unnecessary debt accrued from incompetent county boards with big spending on outside managers and white elephant stadiums and lavish transport facilities.
Splitting a county isn't the answer!
How much did Laois receive for the redevelopment of croke park ?
How much was Justin mc nulty and staff paid?
Dublin are a great GAA county with currently a great team.
Laois are shite. Status quo really!

Have you tried going on the methadone? It could work.



That table shows one of the main reasons for Dubl$ns success, it can't be debated with.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 12:53:36 PM
I've seen that table somewhere before!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2014, 12:55:18 PM
Ha! Flynn and MDMA have been practicality full time athletes the last 5 years at least, Flynn now works for a Dublin Sponsor. Everyone knows Bernard Brogan's profile. It's a reality that the money around Dublin GAA allows these guys to be the best they can be. Other counties do this as well so it's by no means a Dublin thing but the history of sport shows us the co-relationship between finance and success. Think Dublin/Man United Kildare/Leeds Donegal/Chelsea.

What do Daniel Flynn, Sean Hurley, Niall Kelly, Paul Cribbin work at Dinny? And that's just the start. I could add ten more to that.

I am very well connected in Kildare and I know for a fact the vast majority of your players are exactly the same.


Think before you post maybe. Students and teachers .

Quote
Other counties do this as well

What part of that do you not understand?

Also Daniel Flynn is in Adelaide, we don't have the ability to do with him what Dublin did with Ciaran Kilkenny. Niall Kelly is 20, Hurley (probably gone in the autumn to Oz) and Cribben 22 not exactly comparing like to like are we?

I don't know why Dublin supporter are so obtuse over this, you have a financial advantage among other things over every other county is the country. This is not Dublin's issue, this is a wider issue and if not addressed will not only kill the Leinster Championship but probably the All-Ireland as well.


Its ironic that someone whose county has paid managers since the mid 90s. And you wonder why you've no development structures?

We don't waste our money on those things we invest in clubs.

How much is Bernard Dunne getting paid?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
I've seen that table somewhere before!

Strange then that you never seem to be able to grasp the data provided in it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 01:01:56 PM
I was kicked shoeing a donkey at a young age!

As pointed out before the table is reflective of population or something something something!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 01:11:09 PM
Then antrim would be getting 600,000. That table doesn't show all the money Dubl$n are getting either, not even close.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 01:21:49 PM
Antrim get loads of money from the Brits

So in your opinion Dublin get proportionately more money than anyone else yes?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 01:24:06 PM
Antrim get loads of money from the Brits

So in your opinion Dublin get proportionately more money than anyone else yes?

 They also get loads of hassle from the wannabe Brits.

It's not my opinion, it's fact.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: hardstation on July 23, 2014, 01:25:06 PM
Antrim get loads of money from the Brits
So in your opinion Dublin get proportionately more money than anyone else yes?
Do we?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2014, 01:31:03 PM
Full time students? With access to all the training facilities and living close to home.
How many third level colleges in eg Leitrim, Roscommon, Longford or Offaly?


Having a full time GPO takes a HUGE burden off the volunteers in the clubs.
Recruitment of players with a school-club link
Providing structured basic coaching to kids before the come to the club
Ability to organise games and blitzes in conjunction with other club GPOs

The point is that there is no equivalent 50% funding for clubs down the country to even think about hiring a GPO. You try and amalgamate 3/4 clubs together and they still wouldn't get funding.

Our GPO doesn't train our adult teams or have any input into them

He specifically helps out in the local schools and our juvenile teams.

It's up to your county board to ask for the Funding. If they are readily giving it to Laois hurling there shouldn't be a problem
I never mentioned adult teams.

we've asked for a full time coach to come out to help us out once or twice in the last few years - usually after running a fundamental course and getting parents involved. The full time GPOs employed by the county board are not available. That is the level of support we have to deal with.

We're not comparing apples and oranges here.
Dublin clubs get funding for full time or part time coaching staff.
Clubs outside Dublin don't.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 01:33:49 PM
Antrim get loads of money from the Brits
So in your opinion Dublin get proportionately more money than anyone else yes?
Do we?
ye loads and it's sterling as well
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 01:35:47 PM
All the money in the world can't buy what Dublin gave to that little girl in Sunday - true champions !

And we're gonna keep stickin it to yiz for the next ten years. ..
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 01:42:27 PM
Then antrim would be getting 600,000. That table doesn't show all the money Dubl$n are getting either, not even close.

It doesn't show the salaries some managers get paid either

We can conclude Dublin are last in that table .

You forgot that bit.

It's like the Kildare minor manager referring to resources yesterday. Longford and Meath nearly beat Dublin.
It could be that Kildare are only the third or fourth best team in Leinster this year.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: screenexile on July 23, 2014, 01:50:06 PM
Then antrim would be getting 600,000. That table doesn't show all the money Dubl$n are getting either, not even close.

It doesn't show the salaries some managers get paid either

We can conclude Dublin are last in that table .

You forgot that bit.

It's like the Kildare minor manager referring to resources yesterday. Longford and Meath nearly beat Dublin.
It could be that Kildare are only the third or fourth best team in Leinster this year.

How can we conclude that Dublin would be last in that table? We have no idea what any County is 'paying' its manager. . . also how do you know the Dubs are whiter than white in this regard?

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 01:51:53 PM
We've never had an outside manager taking charge of our senior footballers
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 23, 2014, 01:53:42 PM
We've never had an outside manager taking charge of our senior footballers

Ye do have 1.4 billion trillion people to choose from before you go outside the county, Johnny. Bit harder when you have the bones of 60k to find the right man.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: hardstation on July 23, 2014, 01:55:32 PM
Yis are probably paying yer own men too.

Sure, yis are paying your players ffs.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2014, 01:57:38 PM
Then antrim would be getting 600,000. That table doesn't show all the money Dubl$n are getting either, not even close.

It doesn't show the salaries some managers get paid either

We can conclude Dublin are last in that table .

You forgot that bit.

It's like the Kildare minor manager referring to resources yesterday. Longford and Meath nearly beat Dublin.
It could be that Kildare are only the third or fourth best team in Leinster this year.

Did you read the point Brendan Hackett was making and the context? How much does the Dublin backroom team get paid? Over 20 at the last count, Bernard Dunne, Ray Boyne, Martin Kennedy, ffs you had Fergal Connolly consulting, one of the most eminent S&C experts in the world.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 01:57:52 PM
I think this Dublin team might do 5 in a row
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 01:59:33 PM
Then antrim would be getting 600,000. That table doesn't show all the money Dubl$n are getting either, not even close.

It doesn't show the salaries some managers get paid either

We can conclude Dublin are last in that table .

You forgot that bit.

It's like the Kildare minor manager referring to resources yesterday. Longford and Meath nearly beat Dublin.
It could be that Kildare are only the third or fourth best team in Leinster this year.

Did you read the point Brendan Hackett was making and the context? How much does the Dublin backroom team get paid? Over 20 at the last count, Bernard Dunne, Ray Boyne, Martin Kennedy, ffs you had Fergal Connolly consulting, one of the most eminent S&C experts in the world.
ye I don't really agree with that, too many cooks spoil the broth! How good would we really be without all the hangers on? Seven in a row!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 02:12:30 PM
Then antrim would be getting 600,000. That table doesn't show all the money Dubl$n are getting either, not even close.

It doesn't show the salaries some managers get paid either

We can conclude Dublin are last in that table .

You forgot that bit.

It's like the Kildare minor manager referring to resources yesterday. Longford and Meath nearly beat Dublin.
It could be that Kildare are only the third or fourth best team in Leinster this year.

How can we conclude that Dublin would be last in that table? We have no idea what any County is 'paying' its manager. . . also how do you know the Dubs are whiter than white in this regard?

How do I know? Considering my club that's self explanatory
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 02:31:16 PM
Then antrim would be getting 600,000. That table doesn't show all the money Dubl$n are getting either, not even close.

It doesn't show the salaries some managers get paid either

We can conclude Dublin are last in that table .

You forgot that bit.

It's like the Kildare minor manager referring to resources yesterday. Longford and Meath nearly beat Dublin.
It could be that Kildare are only the third or fourth best team in Leinster this year.

Did you read the point Brendan Hackett was making and the context? How much does the Dublin backroom team get paid? Over 20 at the last count, Bernard Dunne, Ray Boyne, Martin Kennedy, ffs you had Fergal Connolly consulting, one of the most eminent S&C experts in the world.

Let's examine this properly which you never do.

Kildare have Barry Solan who is a world renowned S and C coach. I suggest a read of his resume. It probably outstrips Kennedys.

What Bernard Dunne knows about gaelic football I could write on a postage stamp. And he'd tell you that himself. He's a buffer for the players to talk to about things . he's a self confessed GAA fan who has no input into coaching the team. absolutely none.

Ray boyne is no longer a member of the senior management staff. So again incorrect. Every county in Ireland has statisticians. Ray also worked in the lean periods for Dublin. He's excellent at his job but it isn't what drives the success of the team and he'd tell that himself.

Granted Fergal Connolly is an elite sports science expert but again he's no longer part of the setup. Armagh had mike mc gurn as their fitness advisor - you're not going to tell me he's lesser then Connolly?

Dublin have the players Armagh didn't

You can all wax lyrically about money, populations , back room staff and all the rest but this is all about players.

This is a special crew of Dublin players and it won't always be like this. The idea that this Dublin team is better then all previous multiple all Ireland winning teams is rubbish.

Jesus Kerry and Kilkenny can win 4 in a row but if Dublin win 1 in a row it brings out yahoo in Iteland talking about global domination

It's laughable really.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 02:52:08 PM
It doesn't show the salaries some managers get paid either

We can conclude Dublin are last in that table .

You forgot that bit.

It's like the Kildare minor manager referring to resources yesterday. Longford and Meath nearly beat Dublin.
It could be that Kildare are only the third or fourth best team in Leinster this year.

I'm sure every county in Ireland wouldn't pay for managers if they were getting millions to not only create talent but also pay for the preparation of their senior teams, the preparation is done in top class facilities they don't have to pay for either. Some counties struggle from year to year scraping their pennies together to prepare their teams while Dubl$n are going round getting their players cars.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Donnellys Hollow on July 23, 2014, 02:53:40 PM
Then antrim would be getting 600,000. That table doesn't show all the money Dubl$n are getting either, not even close.

It doesn't show the salaries some managers get paid either

We can conclude Dublin are last in that table .

You forgot that bit.

It's like the Kildare minor manager referring to resources yesterday. Longford and Meath nearly beat Dublin.
It could be that Kildare are only the third or fourth best team in Leinster this year.


Did you read the point Brendan Hackett was making and the context? How much does the Dublin backroom team get paid? Over 20 at the last count, Bernard Dunne, Ray Boyne, Martin Kennedy, ffs you had Fergal Connolly consulting, one of the most eminent S&C experts in the world.

Kildare also beat Longford.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 02:59:50 PM
Let's examine this properly which you never do.

Kildare have Barry Solan who is a world renowned S and C coach. I suggest a read of his resume. It probably outstrips Kennedys.

What Bernard Dunne knows about gaelic football I could write on a postage stamp. And he'd tell you that himself. He's a buffer for the players to talk to about things . he's a self confessed GAA fan who has no input into coaching the team. absolutely none.

Ray boyne is no longer a member of the senior management staff. So again incorrect. Every county in Ireland has statisticians. Ray also worked in the lean periods for Dublin. He's excellent at his job but it isn't what drives the success of the team and he'd tell that himself.

Granted Fergal Connolly is an elite sports science expert but again he's no longer part of the setup. Armagh had mike mc gurn as their fitness advisor - you're not going to tell me he's lesser then Connolly?

Dublin have the players Armagh didn't

You can all wax lyrically about money, populations , back room staff and all the rest but this is all about players.

This is a special crew of Dublin players and it won't always be like this. The idea that this Dublin team is better then all previous multiple all Ireland winning teams is rubbish.

Jesus Kerry and Kilkenny can win 4 in a row but if Dublin win 1 in a row it brings out yahoo in Iteland talking about global domination

It's laughable really.

So Bernard Dunne knows nothing about football but Dubl$n can afford to pay for him to hang around anyway, just for the crack.

Dubl$n have the players that have been created by the millions of euro pumped in. They then prepare them for senior level with more millions. If Kerry and Kilkenny were getting the same then there would be complaints about them too, the Dubs would be first in line with their objections, that's the laughable thing.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 03:04:18 PM
Let's examine this properly which you never do.

Kildare have Barry Solan who is a world renowned S and C coach. I suggest a read of his resume. It probably outstrips Kennedys.

What Bernard Dunne knows about gaelic football I could write on a postage stamp. And he'd tell you that himself. He's a buffer for the players to talk to about things . he's a self confessed GAA fan who has no input into coaching the team. absolutely none.

Ray boyne is no longer a member of the senior management staff. So again incorrect. Every county in Ireland has statisticians. Ray also worked in the lean periods for Dublin. He's excellent at his job but it isn't what drives the success of the team and he'd tell that himself.

Granted Fergal Connolly is an elite sports science expert but again he's no longer part of the setup. Armagh had mike mc gurn as their fitness advisor - you're not going to tell me he's lesser then Connolly?

Dublin have the players Armagh didn't

You can all wax lyrically about money, populations , back room staff and all the rest but this is all about players.

This is a special crew of Dublin players and it won't always be like this. The idea that this Dublin team is better then all previous multiple all Ireland winning teams is rubbish.

Jesus Kerry and Kilkenny can win 4 in a row but if Dublin win 1 in a row it brings out yahoo in Iteland talking about global domination

It's laughable really.

So Bernard Dunne knows nothing about football but Dubl$n can afford to pay for him to hang around anyway, just for the crack.

Dubl$n have the players that have been created by the millions of euro pumped in. They then prepare them for senior level with more millions. If Kerry and Kilkenny were getting the same then there would be complaints about them too, the Dubs would be first in line with their objections, that's the laughable thing.

How do you know if he gets paid ? You telling me other counties don't pay their back room staff

Another bluff from the mentally deranged. stupid argument.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2014, 03:14:15 PM
You miss the point, you held Jim Gavin up as some bastion of virtue because he is not paid but what GAA manager is suppose to be paid and claim Dublin would be at the bottom of some table you made up in your head of paid managers.

The reality is Dublin have the largest backroom team and most expensive in the GAA.

What you and every Dublin supporter refuse to accept is that somehow Dublin's success is anyway related to these investments, that Dublin suddenly have produced a golden generation from thin air. Dublin are the best conditioned team in Ireland, is that a fluke or is an investment in Fergal Connolly bearing fruit and an investment in the nutrional requirements of Dublin's players? Dublin's performance levels are excellent but is that a fluke or a direct result in performance and statistical analysis? Dublin have invested in skills coaches, lifestyle coaches, media management, operation managers and that is just the senior squad.

The point Brendan Hackett was making is that level of investment is now going into the Dublin under-age teams. As Shane Curran stated on the radio Dublin are a professional team, professional to me is not about getting paid, it's about preparing the best you can and Dublin's teams are now prepared to a professional standard.

Enjoy your success but people are naive if they think that Dublin's success is just down to having the best players and a once in a lifetime generation.

Anyhow that's me out of this discussion, enjoy your All-Ireland!

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 03:22:46 PM
How do you know if he gets paid ? You telling me other counties don't pay their back room staff

Another bluff from the mentally deranged. stupid argument.

Oh he's doing it for free is he? Like Michael Carruth for the hurlers? All you do is deny and point fingers elsewhere, remember when you used to deny Dubl$n got any money at all for games development?  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
You miss the point, you held Jim Gavin up as some bastion of virtue because he is not paid but what GAA manager is suppose to be paid and claim Dublin would be at the bottom of some table you made up in your head of paid managers.

The reality is Dublin have the largest backroom team and most expensive in the GAA.

What you and every Dublin supporter refuse to accept is that somehow Dublin's success is anyway related to these investments, that Dublin suddenly have produced a golden generation from thin air. Dublin are the best conditioned team in Ireland, is that a fluke or is an investment in Fergal Connolly bearing fruit and an investment in the nutrional requirements of Dublin's players? Dublin's performance levels are excellent but is that a fluke or a direct result in performance and statistical analysis? Dublin have invested in skills coaches, lifestyle coaches, media management, operation managers and that is just the senior squad.

The point Brendan Hackett was making is that level of investment is now going into the Dublin under-age teams. As Shane Curran stated on the radio Dublin are a professional team, professional to me is not about getting paid, it's about preparing the best you can and Dublin's teams are now prepared to a professional standard.

Enjoy your success but people are naive if they think that Dublin's success is just down to having the best players and a once in a lifetime generation.

Anyhow that's me out of this discussion, enjoy your All-Ireland!
i know plenty of wealthy out if condition people, Dublin are the best conditioned team because they are fully committed like Mayo and Kerry and Donegal . Tipp hurlers loose a match and go on the piss. Dublin players don't.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 04:18:24 PM
How do you know if he gets paid ? You telling me other counties don't pay their back room staff

Another bluff from the mentally deranged. stupid argument.

Oh he's doing it for free is he? Like Michael Carruth for the hurlers? All you do is deny and point fingers elsewhere, remember when you used to deny Dubl$n got any money at all for games development?  ;D

Again another stupid point by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about

Carruth is the is the masseuse to the Dublin hurlers. Now you find me another individual on another county team in a similar position who does it for free .

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
You miss the point, you held Jim Gavin up as some bastion of virtue because he is not paid but what GAA manager is suppose to be paid and claim Dublin would be at the bottom of some table you made up in your head of paid managers.

The reality is Dublin have the largest backroom team and most expensive in the GAA.

What you and every Dublin supporter refuse to accept is that somehow Dublin's success is anyway related to these investments, that Dublin suddenly have produced a golden generation from thin air. Dublin are the best conditioned team in Ireland, is that a fluke or is an investment in Fergal Connolly bearing fruit and an investment in the nutrional requirements of Dublin's players? Dublin's performance levels are excellent but is that a fluke or a direct result in performance and statistical analysis? Dublin have invested in skills coaches, lifestyle coaches, media management, operation managers and that is just the senior squad.

The point Brendan Hackett was making is that level of investment is now going into the Dublin under-age teams. As Shane Curran stated on the radio Dublin are a professional team, professional to me is not about getting paid, it's about preparing the best you can and Dublin's teams are now prepared to a professional standard.

Enjoy your success but people are naive if they think that Dublin's success is just down to having the best players and a once in a lifetime generation.

Anyhow that's me out of this discussion, enjoy your All-Ireland!

You're out of the discussion because you've been beaten all ends up.

Kildare wasted millions on waste of time managers when you should have invested in your youth.

You've one of the largest populations in Ireland and one of the worst organised GAA counties around

Therein lies the root of your problems

And we haven't won any all Ireland yet.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on July 23, 2014, 04:31:22 PM
You miss the point, you held Jim Gavin up as some bastion of virtue because he is not paid but what GAA manager is suppose to be paid and claim Dublin would be at the bottom of some table you made up in your head of paid managers.

The reality is Dublin have the largest backroom team and most expensive in the GAA.

What you and every Dublin supporter refuse to accept is that somehow Dublin's success is anyway related to these investments, that Dublin suddenly have produced a golden generation from thin air. Dublin are the best conditioned team in Ireland, is that a fluke or is an investment in Fergal Connolly bearing fruit and an investment in the nutrional requirements of Dublin's players? Dublin's performance levels are excellent but is that a fluke or a direct result in performance and statistical analysis? Dublin have invested in skills coaches, lifestyle coaches, media management, operation managers and that is just the senior squad.

The point Brendan Hackett was making is that level of investment is now going into the Dublin under-age teams. As Shane Curran stated on the radio Dublin are a professional team, professional to me is not about getting paid, it's about preparing the best you can and Dublin's teams are now prepared to a professional standard.

Enjoy your success but people are naive if they think that Dublin's success is just down to having the best players and a once in a lifetime generation.

Anyhow that's me out of this discussion, enjoy your All-Ireland!

You're out of the discussion because you've been beaten all ends up.

Kildare wasted millions on waste of time managers when you should have invested in your youth.

You've one of the largest populations in Ireland and one of the worst organised GAA counties around

Therein lies the root of your problems

And we haven't won any all Ireland yet.


Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 23, 2014, 04:34:06 PM
Any chance Dublin win 15 all stars?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 23, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Is it the same person responding to their own messages?

It is quite sad.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 05:41:59 PM
Again another stupid point by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about

Carruth is the is the masseuse to the Dublin hurlers. Now you find me another individual on another county team in a similar position who does it for free .

We're not talking about individuals here and there, some counties might have one or two costly people involved in their football or hurling squads but Dubl$n have numerous costly people involved in ALL their squads. All areas are covered, everything is provided for Dubl$n players, they barely have to wipe themselves.
This is after all the money put into development squads and facilities. We're talking millions upon millions of euro here, it's a professional set up. No county comes next nor near this level of investment. If we were to make a comparison to another sport like rugby. It would be worse than the difference between the funding for Leinster/Munster/Ulster v Connaught, it'd be more like Leinster/Munster/Ulster v a club team. It can't continue.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: PaddyP73 on July 23, 2014, 06:09:48 PM
Don't Matter is Liam O'Neill in disguise.  :)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: PaddyP73 on July 23, 2014, 06:11:06 PM
Is it the same person responding to their own messages?

It is quite sad.

he is billy no mates  :)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: PaddyP73 on July 23, 2014, 06:12:14 PM
Again another stupid point by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about

Carruth is the is the masseuse to the Dublin hurlers. Now you find me another individual on another county team in a similar position who does it for free .

We're not talking about individuals here and there, some counties might have one or two costly people involved in their football or hurling squads but Dubl$n have numerous costly people involved in ALL their squads. All areas are covered, everything is provided for Dubl$n players, they barely have to wipe themselves.
This is after all the money put into development squads and facilities. We're talking millions upon millions of euro here, it's a professional set up. No county comes next nor near this level of investment. If we were to make a comparison to another sport like rugby. It would be worse than the difference between the funding for Leinster/Munster/Ulster v Connaught, it'd be more like Leinster/Munster/Ulster v a club team. It can't continue.

get the ride for yourself love and don't be worrying about the Dubs  :-*
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 06:29:01 PM
Again another stupid point by someone who doesn't know what he's talking about

Carruth is the is the masseuse to the Dublin hurlers. Now you find me another individual on another county team in a similar position who does it for free .

We're not talking about individuals here and there, some counties might have one or two costly people involved in their football or hurling squads but Dubl$n have numerous costly people involved in ALL their squads. All areas are covered, everything is provided for Dubl$n players, they barely have to wipe themselves.
This is after all the money put into development squads and facilities. We're talking millions upon millions of euro here, it's a professional set up. No county comes next nor near this level of investment. If we were to make a comparison to another sport like rugby. It would be worse than the difference between the funding for Leinster/Munster/Ulster v Connaught, it'd be more like Leinster/Munster/Ulster v a club team. It can't continue.


No you just quote inaccurate banalities based on nothing but bullshit. I never knew the independent media group had posters here!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 23, 2014, 07:08:49 PM
As usual the Dubs can't refute any of the evidence that proves their cheating so they turn to abuse. So predictable. Or maybe they hadn't time for a more detailed response cause they had to return to their cells in the joy. Maybe.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on July 23, 2014, 07:23:43 PM
Any chance Dublin win 15 all stars?

Not a hope in hell! They'll get the usual amount that provincial champions and AI Ireland runners up get (There are no All Stars for a League title anymore either)!  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: squire_in_navy_slacks on July 23, 2014, 08:00:41 PM
As usual the Dubs can't refute any of the evidence that proves their cheating so they turn to abuse. So predictable. Or maybe they hadn't time for a more detailed response cause they had to return to their cells in the joy. Maybe.

Its Portlaoise you coconut, get it right !!!!!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 23, 2014, 09:05:46 PM
As usual the Dubs can't refute any of the evidence that proves their cheating so they turn to abuse. So predictable. Or maybe they hadn't time for a more detailed response cause they had to return to their cells in the joy. Maybe.

Answered all your queries the problem is you've no new material !
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 24, 2014, 10:19:00 AM
Answered all your queries the problem is you've no new material !

I was stating facts about Dubl$ns cheating, you've done nothing to refute the facts. That's because it's impossible to prove a fact as false. The material wont change until inter county football and hurling has everyone competing on an equal footing, that can only happen when Dubl$n is split and funds are divided out fairly. Not everyone is aware of the millions of euro Dubl$n have received to buy success, mostly because the Dubl$n controlled media don't mention it. More and more people are realising it though and with each title Dubl$n cheat their way to, it gets closer to the split.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Hardy on July 24, 2014, 10:31:34 AM
What Bernard Dunne knows about gaelic football I could write on a postage stamp. And he'd tell you that himself. He's a bluffer.
It's laughable really.



Is this what you meant?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 24, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
Answered all your queries the problem is you've no new material !

I was stating facts about Dubl$ns cheating, you've done nothing to refute the facts. That's because it's impossible to prove a fact as false. The material wont change until inter county football and hurling has everyone competing on an equal footing, that can only happen when Dubl$n is split and funds are divided out fairly. Not everyone is aware of the millions of euro Dubl$n have received to buy success, mostly because the Dubl$n controlled media don't mention it. More and more people are realising it though and with each title Dubl$n cheat their way to, it gets closer to the split.
simple question -supposing Dublin where to be split and the great Laois won the all Ireland would their achievement be undermined due to them not beating a full Dublin?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 24, 2014, 10:43:49 AM
What Bernard Dunne knows about gaelic football I could write on a postage stamp. And he'd tell you that himself. He's a bluffer.
It's laughable really.



Is this what you meant?

If that was what I meant I'd have posted it. Expected better.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2014, 10:55:21 AM
Indiana, what would be the average playing pool at u-14 level be like in the top 5 or 6 clubs in Dublin?
I mean the likes of Crokes, Na Fianna, Ballyboden, Brigids, Vincents.
Would they all field two football teams at that grade?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 24, 2014, 11:18:10 AM
Indiana, what would be the average playing pool at u-14 level be like in the top 5 or 6 clubs in Dublin?
I mean the likes of Crokes, Na Fianna, Ballyboden, Brigids, Vincents.
Would they all field two football teams at that grade?
not really a fair question- a lot of these clubs huge large numbers of their players when they reach secondary to the big rugby schools. In affect the top six clubs are often used as a babysitting service!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Hardy on July 24, 2014, 11:19:33 AM
I thought it was just a question. What's a "fair" question?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2014, 11:23:59 AM
Indiana, what would be the average playing pool at u-14 level be like in the top 5 or 6 clubs in Dublin?
I mean the likes of Crokes, Na Fianna, Ballyboden, Brigids, Vincents.
Would they all field two football teams at that grade?
not really a fair question- a lot of these clubs huge large numbers of their players when they reach secondary to the big rugby schools. In affect the top six clubs are often used as a babysitting service!

It's the very definition of a fair question.
We're just having a discussion here you know.
About GAA.
In the 'GAA discussion' section.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 24, 2014, 11:45:09 AM
Indiana, what would be the average playing pool at u-14 level be like in the top 5 or 6 clubs in Dublin?
I mean the likes of Crokes, Na Fianna, Ballyboden, Brigids, Vincents.
Would they all field two football teams at that grade?
not really a fair question- a lot of these clubs huge large numbers of their players when they reach secondary to the big rugby schools. In affect the top six clubs are often used as a babysitting service!

It's the very definition of a fair question.
We're just having a discussion here you know.
About GAA.
In the 'GAA discussion' section.
is one side of your bed up against the wall?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 24, 2014, 12:09:30 PM
Indiana, what would be the average playing pool at u-14 level be like in the top 5 or 6 clubs in Dublin?
I mean the likes of Crokes, Na Fianna, Ballyboden, Brigids, Vincents.
Would they all field two football teams at that grade?

Vincent's it's barely two. One and a half more like

The others at least two and three in some cases.

For example crokes on occasion can field a 21 c football team when we'd struggle to field one.

That's why I laugh when Vincent's is mentioned as a big Dublin club !
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2014, 12:29:35 PM
I thought you'd be upset if I left Vincents out.   :D
Anyway, I suppose what I am getting at is that the more young lads you have involved in an age grade with their club, the greater the likelihood you will get a couple of outstanding players out of that group.
A country team that has a playing pool of 20-25 may get the same, but the odds are in favour of the team with a playing pool of 40-50.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 24, 2014, 12:39:44 PM
That's true but it can also be harder to keep large numbers involved and develop them to the best of their abilities. You also have more competition from other sports in major cities and this can result in greater drop out and/or less application at football.

I don't think there is any doubt Dublin have more going for them but other counties, especially the likes of Meath and Kildare who have a decent population need to maximise their potential better. Longford and Roscommon are doing far better than Meath, in particular, at underage recently and if I were a Meath man I would be questioning why we aren't doing better rather than focusing on why we aren't at Dublin's level.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: johnneycool on July 24, 2014, 12:44:39 PM
Indiana, what would be the average playing pool at u-14 level be like in the top 5 or 6 clubs in Dublin?
I mean the likes of Crokes, Na Fianna, Ballyboden, Brigids, Vincents.
Would they all field two football teams at that grade?
not really a fair question- a lot of these clubs huge large numbers of their players when they reach secondary to the big rugby schools. In affect the top six clubs are often used as a babysitting service!

Was talking to a well known GAA coach once and he told me Ballyboden had three minor hurling teams, all 18 years of age, that was a few years ago..
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2014, 12:51:19 PM
That's true but it can also be harder to keep large numbers involved and develop them to the best of their abilities. You also have more competition from other sports in major cities and this can result in greater drop out and/or less application at football.

I don't think there is any doubt Dublin have more going for them but other counties, especially the likes of Meath and Kildare who have a decent population need to maximise their potential better. Longford and Roscommon are doing far better than Meath, in particular, at underage recently and if I were a Meath man I would be questioning why we aren't doing better rather than focusing on why we aren't at Dublin's level.

Would the relative drop-out rate be any worse than anywhere else in the country though?
Most young lads in Dublin clubs will go on to 3rd level education in Dublin.
Don't have to travel back mid-week for training.
I'd be surprised if the retention rate wasn't higher than average to be honest.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: easytiger95 on July 24, 2014, 01:08:27 PM
Back when I was playing with Brigids we had between two and three teams lining out at those grades - but when we got to minor they were only fielding one team - load of us surplus to requirements. This was late 80s early 90s. Peregrines and Castleknock have made big inroads since then, I'm not sure how many juvenile teams Brigids are lining out now.

I think Castleknock will be the next club to step up to "super" club status. They've got some nice facilities out at Somerton and there are literally hundreds of kids out every weekend in Carpenterstown.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2014, 01:18:10 PM
Does anyone know where I could find a list of the division 1 national Féile winners since the competition started?
I know Dublin clubs have done very well in recent years I just want to see what the geographical spread of winners is like in general.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Hound on July 24, 2014, 01:27:54 PM

What you and every Dublin supporter refuse to accept is that somehow Dublin's success is anyway related to these investments, that Dublin suddenly have produced a golden generation from thin air. Dublin are the best conditioned team in Ireland, is that a fluke or is an investment in Fergal Connolly bearing fruit and an investment in the nutrional requirements of Dublin's players? Dublin's performance levels are excellent but is that a fluke or a direct result in performance and statistical analysis? Dublin have invested in skills coaches, lifestyle coaches, media management, operation managers and that is just the senior squad.

Enjoy your success but people are naive if they think that Dublin's success is just down to having the best players and a once in a lifetime generation.


I think its naive to suggest Dublin have a conveyor belt of talent coming through and that is anything like the fantastic talent in the current team.

We'll almost always be a top 4 or top 6 team, that's been the case, with some rare exceptions, for the last 40 years.

We've got the best keeper who's every pulled on a GAA jersey. A playmaker playing in goals. When he goes, we'll have a good lad to take over, but he won't be near Clucko's class, because nobody is, so he'll be a massive loss.

The other most important player we have, because of lack of replacements - and absolutely nothing coming through in his position from underage, is Michael Darragh Macauley. Completely unorthodox, cannot kick a ball properly and is very awkward on solo runs, yet from pure passion, energy, workrate, excellent football brain and amazing hands (from basketball coaching rather than GAA ironically) he's turned himself into footballer of the year.

We lose either of those and we'd be drifting quickly back into the pack.

We've always had, and no reason to think we won't always have, a raft of good half backs coming though and we've some potentially top quality corner forwards / full forwards. But I haven't seen anything in the mould of Flynn or Connolly coming through.

This team should have a good maybe 3 years in them yet. But to think this is how its going to be forever is just ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: orangeman on July 24, 2014, 01:32:04 PM
Dublin are loaded with money.

Here's the proof, courtesy of the Indo. The rest of us can't compete with this.  ;) ;)


http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/one-in-40-people-living-in-dublin-is-a-millionaire-rich-report-finds-30455703.html
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 24, 2014, 01:38:51 PM
That's true but it can also be harder to keep large numbers involved and develop them to the best of their abilities. You also have more competition from other sports in major cities and this can result in greater drop out and/or less application at football.

I don't think there is any doubt Dublin have more going for them but other counties, especially the likes of Meath and Kildare who have a decent population need to maximise their potential better. Longford and Roscommon are doing far better than Meath, in particular, at underage recently and if I were a Meath man I would be questioning why we aren't doing better rather than focusing on why we aren't at Dublin's level.

Would the relative drop-out rate be any worse than anywhere else in the country though?
Most young lads in Dublin clubs will go on to 3rd level education in Dublin.
Don't have to travel back mid-week for training.
I'd be surprised if the retention rate wasn't higher than average to be honest.

Fall out rate is above 50 percent. Far more distractions in Dublin too let's not forget. We lose 50 percent of our minors to various things.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: agorm on July 24, 2014, 01:42:08 PM
Hound,
Just because Dublin are not automatically going to be at the top forever does not mean that a split shouldnt be considered.

Dublin's structures have improved massively in recent years and fair play to them. Those structures allied to the population indicates that Dublin will dominate well ino the future. The result in the minor final on Sunday was equally comprehensive.

 I am not sure exactly about the number of full time coaches in Dublin but it is at least 10 times the level in other counties in Leinster.

It is a massive decision for the GAA to split Dublin but something needs to be done as we could well have another 5 years of Dublin winning Leinster.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: agorm on July 24, 2014, 01:45:40 PM
There are significant concern in Meath at the moment regarding player attrition between under 10 and under 16. There is an approximate 70% fall off of players with several teams unable to field at under 16 level.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 24, 2014, 01:48:06 PM
There are significant concern in Meath at the moment regarding player attrition between under 10 and under 16. There is an approximate 70% fall off of players with several teams unable to field at under 16 level.
this is where the GAA and various county boards need to step up with camps and juvenile involvement. Put the plans together and get as many kids playing the game.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2014, 01:51:55 PM
There are significant concern in Meath at the moment regarding player attrition between under 10 and under 16. There is an approximate 70% fall off of players with several teams unable to field at under 16 level.

Amalgamations as well at underage.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: johnneycool on July 24, 2014, 02:01:44 PM
That's true but it can also be harder to keep large numbers involved and develop them to the best of their abilities. You also have more competition from other sports in major cities and this can result in greater drop out and/or less application at football.

I don't think there is any doubt Dublin have more going for them but other counties, especially the likes of Meath and Kildare who have a decent population need to maximise their potential better. Longford and Roscommon are doing far better than Meath, in particular, at underage recently and if I were a Meath man I would be questioning why we aren't doing better rather than focusing on why we aren't at Dublin's level.

Would the relative drop-out rate be any worse than anywhere else in the country though?
Most young lads in Dublin clubs will go on to 3rd level education in Dublin.
Don't have to travel back mid-week for training.
I'd be surprised if the retention rate wasn't higher than average to be honest.

Fall out rate is above 50 percent. Far more distractions in Dublin too let's not forget. We lose 50 percent of our minors to various things.

Aye young lads milking cows and drawing in silage at the height of summer must be an awful problem in Dublin..

 ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 24, 2014, 02:34:22 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: screenexile on July 24, 2014, 02:53:49 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Canalman on July 24, 2014, 03:05:13 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2014, 03:09:14 PM
You are :D. Beating Kerry is like a double All Ireland (so we have 5 instead of 3). However beating Dublin is still sweet because ye are, after all, the city slickers.

I don't like the idea of splitting Dublin. What I do like the idea of is either individual counties, or provinces, getting a much larger slice of the development funds pie, and reducing Dublin's slice. Let Dublin keep their own sponsorship deals etc, fair play to them for getting it because it means they are attractive to sponsors. But let teams with smaller populations and therefore less attractive to sponsors get proportionally a bigger slice of the coaching and games development funds.

I would favour it being controlled by a centralised body, because I wouldn't trust some muppets in county boards to spend it as well as Dublin have. The last thing you want is it being spent on some external manager's expenses.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 24, 2014, 03:16:35 PM
Prioritising commuter belt counties, which seems to be the implication by Zulu and others, just extends the disparity a few kilometres outside Dublin. Trying to focus on a county like Antrim (because of its big population) at the expense of other will not breed a healthier championship either.

All teams competing in the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship need to be competing on a similar budget. It really is that simple if you want to avoid mergers or splits. Anyone can see the amounts being spent by larger counties on preparation has been spiralling out of control for the last two decades. It's only going to hurt the grass-roots in those same counties if it isn't forcibly curtailed.

How we would go about that would take plenty of time and effort, of which there seems to be precious little going on and what little is happening is getting the usual objections from the vested interest counties.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2014, 03:21:48 PM
The problem is I don't think you can rely on county boards to spend central funds wisely. If the GAA has a central budget for games development, etc, I think they should appoint a body to monitor and dole out the money to each county for specific purposes. (€10k for meals, €10k for gear, €100k for coaches, whatever).
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 24, 2014, 03:32:18 PM
That only encourages mediocrity, not to mention wholesale cheating to circumvent it. If you have a €100,000, for example, and you give every county an equal slice then nobody gets enough to make a difference. The GAA should, initially, focus on counties who have the population and a proper plan and invest in them. This is for two main reasons, one there is a better chance of a quick on-field return on that investment but also because a successful Kildare or Meath would generate more money which could then be filtered into the next group of counties.

Roscommon, due to their population, wouldn't need as much as Kildare for example but if you prioritised Kildare for 5 years while still helping Roscommon with lower level investment to get the foundation blocks in place for a greater investment 5 years down the line then that would be a sensible way to spend the money IMO. By the way I'm using counties as examples, I'm not saying Roscommon don't have good foundations or that Kildare are the best placed county for major investment.

The idea though, that you give everybody a small slice of the pie is nonsense IMO. You need to concentrate your resources in some counties, get them up to the next level and then move on to the next batch. Tell counties if you want this investment then get A, B and C in place and you'll get it the next time round. 
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 24, 2014, 03:33:26 PM
The problem is I don't think you can rely on county boards to spend central funds wisely. If the GAA has a central budget for games development, etc, I think they should appoint a body to monitor and dole out the money to each county for specific purposes. (€10k for meals, €10k for gear, €100k for coaches, whatever).

Yip, oversight is key. Given the cowboy-style off-the-books craic you see at club and county level throughout the country it would take one hell of an effort to change the culture and put the real numbers out into the public spotlight.


That only encourages mediocrity, not to mention wholesale cheating to circumvent it. If you have a €100,000, for example, and you give every county an equal slice then nobody gets enough to make a difference. The GAA should, initially, focus on counties who have the population and a proper plan and invest in them. This is for two main reasons, one there is a better chance of a quick on-field return on that investment but also because a successful Kildare or Meath would generate more money which could then be filtered into the next group of counties.

Roscommon, due to their population, wouldn't need as much as Kildare for example but if you prioritised Kildare for 5 years while still helping Roscommon with lower level investment to get the foundation blocks in place for a greater investment 5 years down the line then that would be a sensible way to spend the money IMO. By the way I'm using counties as examples, I'm not saying Roscommon don't have good foundations or that Kildare are the best placed county for major investment.

The idea though, that you give everybody a small slice of the pie is nonsense IMO. You need to concentrate your resources in some counties, get them up to the next level and then move on to the next batch. Tell counties if you want this investment then get A, B and C in place and you'll get it the next time round.

It doesn't in any number of sports with budget caps. It makes for a more unpredictable, healthy and exciting sport.

You have to separate the ideas of county team preparation (all counties field the same number of those, apart from the half of the country that don't bother with the junior AI) and club level where there are varying numbers of players and teams. The latter is an entirely different beast but one that would also benefit from hard caps at county level.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: AZOffaly on July 24, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
So what you are proposing is that you give counties that are already in a decent position more money to push them up to the top level, and let the weaker counties plod along until the top table are satisfied? Jesus Zulu, are you deliberately trying to kill the GAA in the weaker counties?

My thing is a socialist approach. Allocate X million for games development nationally. Assign a body to monitor and allocate the finances, to make sure it is spent correctly. A GDA for the country if you like, as opposed to individual county GDAs.

Ensure that every county is spending the money correctly, and on the correct thing.

Tiered funding for counties that are more likely to be successful quickly is a horrible, professional, approach in my opinion.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 24, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
No AZ. What I'm saying is you don't give everyone the same just so it's "fair". You ask counties to produce plans and you heavily support the best and most likely to produce quick results. If Offaly have one of the best then support them, if Offaly need to get a few things in place before you invest heavily then you support that but put greater resources in counties that are better placed to do so. The GAA doesn't die in unsuccessful counties AZ and great occasions and matches involving other counties can inspire kids across the country. Christ knows if my love of the GAA was based on the success of my county team as a kid then there wouldn't even have been mild affection. :)

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Tiered funding for counties that are more likely to be successful quickly is a horrible, professional, approach in my opinion.

Key word is professional, as in how a professional body would do it. Professionalism isn't a dirty concept, especially when it's about helping counties improve. I'm not suggesting some counties get nothing but we see what investment in Dublin, along with good planning, has achieved. Take that and invest it in 3 other counties while maintaining investment levels elsewhere. When the fruits of your investment are coming out then look to the next batch. Focused investment is what I'm talking about not basically giving every county a few bob and telling them not to spend it all in the one shop. Spreading the wealth too widely only means nobody can do anything that makes a real difference.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: screenexile on July 24, 2014, 04:03:23 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.

Derry, Armagh, Kerry would all rather beat Tyrone than the Dubs even if they are going shite!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 24, 2014, 04:07:06 PM
Offaly would just spend all their money on sweets and fizzy drinks.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 24, 2014, 04:07:15 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.

Derry, Armagh, Kerry would all rather beat Tyrone than the Dubs even if they are going shite!

Not a chance.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bensars on July 24, 2014, 04:12:12 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.

Derry, Armagh, Kerry would all rather beat Tyrone than the Dubs even if they are going shite!


Just goes to show the ambition within Derry. They would rather beat a crowd of youngsters than testing themselves against the best in the country.  Possibly more indicitive of their inferiority complex than anything else.

No suprise really
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: J OGorman on July 24, 2014, 04:21:09 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.

Derry, Armagh, Kerry would all rather beat Tyrone than the Dubs even if they are going shite!


Just goes to show the ambition within Derry. They would rather beat a crowd of youngsters than testing themselves against the best in the country.  Possibly more indicitive of their inferiority complex than anything else.

No suprise really

indeed, one Derry man speaks for the whole county  ::)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: screenexile on July 24, 2014, 04:37:11 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.

Derry, Armagh, Kerry would all rather beat Tyrone than the Dubs even if they are going shite!


Just goes to show the ambition within Derry. They would rather beat a crowd of youngsters than testing themselves against the best in the country.  Possibly more indicitive of their inferiority complex than anything else.

No suprise really

indeed, one Derry man speaks for the whole county  ::)

It's nothing to do with ambition. Also I'm not talking right now I'm talking in general terms any year if there's a team we always want to beat it's Tyrone. Also did nobody see the way Kerry reacted in 2012 when they beat an average Tyrone team in Killarney? It's more to do with a bitter rivalry than the fact the Dubs are the best about.

Likewise I can't see that given the chance to beat Dublin or Mayo a Rossie wouldn't rather beat their near neighbours!!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 24, 2014, 04:59:46 PM
I don't think splitting Dublin is a solution to anything. Dublin are the most iconic team in the GAA, the one team everyone wants to beat, the one team that can bring a sense of occasion to games other than an All Ireland that matches anything else in the rest of the world. It would also be nigh on impossible to do in reality. I don't understand why people's first solutions are to split them or limit the spend on county teams or take some of Dublin's sponsorship money. Those are the solutions that try to bring exceptional teams back into the pack rather than solutions which encourage the pack to catch up.

Central funding could prioritise other counties (not everyone) at Dublin's expense for a few years, the GAA could explore whether grouping 3 or 4 neighbouring counties for sponsorship would be better. Serious time and money can be invested into club coaching from 6-14 to provide players with a better grounding. Inter county competition structures should be looked at so that minor and U21 county players are better prepared for senior football and clubs can get more games.

Dublin are providing the rest of us with a challenge but it is one that if some counties can rise to we will have a much better GAA. Rather than limiting the Dubs ability lets look at ways to maximise others.

I'd still say more Counties want to beat Tyrone... are we gong to talk about the unfair advantage they have with the inbreeding of all their half decent footballers? There'll be a second coming in about 20 years time maybe we can nip it in the bud from now!

Think beating Dublin would trump beating Tyrone for virtually every county in Ireland. Beating us or Kerry  in an AIF is like a "double AI" and I don't think I am being arrogant in saying that.

Derry, Armagh, Kerry would all rather beat Tyrone than the Dubs even if they are going shite!


Just goes to show the ambition within Derry. They would rather beat a crowd of youngsters than testing themselves against the best in the country.  Possibly more indicitive of their inferiority complex than anything else.

No suprise really

indeed, one Derry man speaks for the whole county  ::)

It's nothing to do with ambition. Also I'm not talking right now I'm talking in general terms any year if there's a team we always want to beat it's Tyrone. Also did nobody see the way Kerry reacted in 2012 when they beat an average Tyrone team in Killarney? It's more to do with a bitter rivalry than the fact the Dubs are the best about.

Likewise I can't see that given the chance to beat Dublin or Mayo a Rossie wouldn't rather beat their near neighbours!!

Beating Dublin now would mean we'd be in line for a senior AI so I might put border rivalries aside on that one. Beating your neighbours is special but beating the Showtime Dubs when they're the best team in the country would be unforgettable.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on July 24, 2014, 05:53:18 PM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 24, 2014, 06:30:28 PM
So what you are proposing is that you give counties that are already in a decent position more money to push them up to the top level, and let the weaker counties plod along until the top table are satisfied? Jesus Zulu, are you deliberately trying to kill the GAA in the weaker counties?

My thing is a socialist approach. Allocate X million for games development nationally. Assign a body to monitor and allocate the finances, to make sure it is spent correctly. A GDA for the country if you like, as opposed to individual county GDAs.

Ensure that every county is spending the money correctly, and on the correct thing.

Tiered funding for counties that are more likely to be successful quickly is a horrible, professional, approach in my opinion.

I think what Zulu is proposing is what has happened with hurling. The GAA have targeted Laois, Antrim, Kerry, Carlow, Down and Westmeath with specialised funding as the most likely counties to step up to Mc Carthy Cup level in the future.

The others will get funding too but at grassroots level as they are 20 year projects. What you don't want is this money being wasted at senior level on outside consultants and overpaid outside average manager for no long term benefit.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: SouthDublinBro on July 24, 2014, 06:37:59 PM
Maybe after we've overtaken Kerry's AI haul. They've already had their dominant period when they only had to win 4 games to be crowned All Ireland champs.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: macdanger2 on July 24, 2014, 08:34:18 PM
Maybe it's because I grew up in the 80s & 90s but beating Dublin means damn all to me. Mind you, it would have last September :(
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Hill is Blue on July 24, 2014, 08:58:06 PM
To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Talking about changing county boundaries, which county would Roscommon amalgamate with – Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim or perhaps a couple of these?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: macdanger2 on July 24, 2014, 09:13:24 PM
To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Talking about changing county boundaries, which county would Roscommon amalgamate with – Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim or perhaps a couple of these?

I'd say they might be relying on the larries, Westmeath or Longford to take them in
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on July 24, 2014, 09:28:40 PM
To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Talking about changing county boundaries, which county would Roscommon amalgamate with – Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim or perhaps a couple of these?
Nobody talking about amalgamating - just splitting the 1.3m popuoatuon monster som that the Counties with small populations would be able to be some way competitive.
If we go the other way then it's a case of 5 teams Ulster, Connacht, Munster, Dublin and (rest of) Leinster.
That'd soften ye're coughs a bit. ;)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 24, 2014, 09:43:16 PM
To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Talking about changing county boundaries, which county would Roscommon amalgamate with – Mayo, Galway, Sligo, Leitrim or perhaps a couple of these?
Nobody talking about amalgamating - just splitting the 1.3m popuoatuon monster som that the Counties with small populations would be able to be some way competitive.
If we go the other way then it's a case of 5 teams Ulster, Connacht, Munster, Dublin and (rest of) Leinster.
That'd soften ye're coughs a bit. ;)

At least all of Ballagh could finally play together.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Main Street on July 24, 2014, 11:16:45 PM
Dublin have got to 2 all ireland finals in the past 18 years and already GAA aficionados outside the pale  are throwing in the towel??
There's no justifiable way an organic unit can be divided just because of some  transient period of dominance. It's to Dublin's eternal shame that they could not harness the football talent at their disposal and have such a meagre return, considering the depth of talent at their disposal. In the early to mid 70's  it was harder for me to get a starting place on an intermediate  team in the Dublin leagues somewhere about 20 divisions off the pace,  than it was to get a starting place with my home town club in Monaghan's senior league.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 25, 2014, 07:31:47 AM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 25, 2014, 11:01:22 AM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.
There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lar Naparka on July 25, 2014, 11:09:33 AM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.
There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

I believe Cork has by far the greatest number of clubs in the country but I don't know how many are dual clubs or how many concentrate on either hurling or football. I don't think there are any superclubs, like there are in Dublin, in the county.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 25, 2014, 11:52:17 AM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.
There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

Again man do some analysis . How many different clubs play in those divisions . Less then 80.
Now considering the size of the county that's not a lot.

You telling me that crokes 6/7 the team in division 12 is a breeding ground for inter county footballers?

It's like taking candy from a baby on this thread such is the wild inaccuracies posted on it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 25, 2014, 11:57:41 AM
it isn't rocket science, having one team Dublin with a greater pick than the rest of the competition, Leinster, is bizarre and is not found in other GAA competitions. This bizarre and unacceptable situation should be ended, immediately.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Canalman on July 25, 2014, 12:02:13 PM
Jeez, the ould "superclub" argument being thrown around again. Wasting my time I know again pointing out that for every "superclub" here there are around 10 or so struggling away like pretty every other GAA club in the country.





Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 25, 2014, 12:05:18 PM
it isn't rocket science, having one team Dublin with a greater pick than the rest of the competition, Leinster, is bizarre and is not found in other GAA competitions. This bizarre and unacceptable situation should be ended, immediately.
by your reckoning should all counties be split proportionately to equal the population of Leitrim? How many times would your own county be split?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 25, 2014, 12:06:48 PM
it isn't rocket science, having one team Dublin with a greater pick than the rest of the competition, Leinster, is bizarre and is not found in other GAA competitions. This bizarre and unacceptable situation should be ended, immediately.
by your reckoning should all counties be split proportionately to equal the population of Leitrim? How many times would your own county be split?

Our county is already split.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 25, 2014, 12:37:16 PM
Jeez, the ould "superclub" argument being thrown around again. Wasting my time I know again pointing out that for every "superclub" here there are around 10 or so struggling away like pretty every other GAA club in the country.

The regular clubs should be encouraged and the superclubs diminished, likewise with regular and super counties.

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by your reckoning should all counties be split proportionately to equal the population of Leitrim?

the average, mode or median is a better guide to splitting then the smallest values.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bod Mor on July 25, 2014, 12:53:36 PM
They'll be split alright, split in f@#£#n two when the meet the men from the west this year!!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on July 25, 2014, 01:31:17 PM
Galway?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 25, 2014, 01:38:16 PM
Galway?

Sligo.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 25, 2014, 02:45:59 PM
Jeez, the ould "superclub" argument being thrown around again. Wasting my time I know again pointing out that for every "superclub" here there are around 10 or so struggling away like pretty every other GAA club in the country.

The regular clubs should be encouraged and the superclubs diminished, likewise with regular and super counties.

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by your reckoning should all counties be split proportionately to equal the population of Leitrim?

the average, mode or median is a better guide to splitting then the smallest values.
and how would that be fair on Leitrim ?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 25, 2014, 03:14:11 PM
Your pick is your population, if Cork have organised into more clubs rather than super clubs then that reflects well on Cork,  it does not excuse Dublin.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 25, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.
There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

Again man do some analysis . How many different clubs play in those divisions . Less then 80.
Now considering the size of the county that's not a lot.

You telling me that crokes 6/7 the team in division 12 is a breeding ground for inter county footballers?

It's like taking candy from a baby on this thread such is the wild inaccuracies posted on it.
you were talking about playing numbers.

I didn't mention anything about breeding ground for county footballers
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 25, 2014, 04:40:12 PM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.
There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

Again man do some analysis . How many different clubs play in those divisions . Less then 80.
Now considering the size of the county that's not a lot.

You telling me that crokes 6/7 the team in division 12 is a breeding ground for inter county footballers?

It's like taking candy from a baby on this thread such is the wild inaccuracies posted on it.
you were talking about playing numbers.

I didn't mention anything about breeding ground for county footballers

All of the Dublin team panel play in divisions 1 and 2. That should say a lot about our pick.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 25, 2014, 04:50:35 PM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.
There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

Again man do some analysis . How many different clubs play in those divisions . Less then 80.
Now considering the size of the county that's not a lot.

You telling me that crokes 6/7 the team in division 12 is a breeding ground for inter county footballers?

It's like taking candy from a baby on this thread such is the wild inaccuracies posted on it.
you were talking about playing numbers.

I didn't mention anything about breeding ground for county footballers

All of the Dublin team panel play in divisions 1 and 2. That should say a lot about our pick.

But surely you can see that has very little to do with it - the standard of club football in Dublin is at a level above entire provinces, and every Dublin champion is installed as warm contenders for the All-Ireland. It's quite clearly the second hardest club title to win outside of the All-Ireland itself.

It all means The concentration of quality in Dublin is unheard of in other counties, even Cork or Kerry or Mayo and those are among the most competitive county championships outside Dublin.

You have both the best club scene and now the best senior team in the country, that's without question.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 25, 2014, 05:17:38 PM
I just love it when we bate anyone.
A win over neighbours esp ones who have part of your County to pick from is always sweet. However a win over Kerry or Dublin usually means more in the bigger picture.

To get back on topic I think Dublin should be made a Province with 4 Co Boards along their local Council lines. All that local rivalry would keep them getting better all the time but at least their more restricted picks would leave them on an equal footing with the other 31 Counties.

Our pick is less then corks they have a lot more clubs.
There are 12 football divisions in Dublin. 12.

Maybe Cork have a bigger pick in hurling.

Again man do some analysis . How many different clubs play in those divisions . Less then 80.
Now considering the size of the county that's not a lot.

You telling me that crokes 6/7 the team in division 12 is a breeding ground for inter county footballers?

It's like taking candy from a baby on this thread such is the wild inaccuracies posted on it.
you were talking about playing numbers.

I didn't mention anything about breeding ground for county footballers

All of the Dublin team panel play in divisions 1 and 2. That should say a lot about our pick.

But surely you can see that has very little to do with it - the standard of club football in Dublin is at a level above entire provinces, and every Dublin champion is installed as warm contenders for the All-Ireland. It's quite clearly the second hardest club title to win outside of the All-Ireland itself.

It all means The concentration of quality in Dublin is unheard of in other counties, even Cork or Kerry or Mayo and those are among the most competitive county championships outside Dublin.

You have both the best club scene and now the best senior team in the country, that's without question.

Again I don't agree with you because you're just assuming matters.

There are only 5/6 clubs who can win the SFC and if you looked at the roll call of the last 10 years they are the only ones who can win it.

The gap between the have and the have nots in the Dublin SFC is quite staggering. There is no uniform standard or real upsets. It all goes according to plan once you take Parnells out of the equation
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 25, 2014, 06:05:46 PM
All of the Dublin team panel play in divisions 1 and 2. That should say a lot about our pick.

Firstly, even the Dublin panel can only be certain size and not involve all clubs.
But since Dublin clubs do not have proper GAA style boundaries all good players end up with Div 1 & 2 clubs, so that says nothing.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 25, 2014, 06:08:28 PM
All of the Dublin team panel play in divisions 1 and 2. That should say a lot about our pick.

Firstly, even the Dublin panel can only be certain size and not involve all clubs.
But since Dublin clubs do not have proper GAA style boundaries all good players end up with Div 1 & 2 clubs, so that says nothing.

Again assumption. Plenty of the top clubs in Dublin have risen from the ashes
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: rrhf on July 25, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
It's tough for Dublin this year.  Year 2 -  It all comes down to hunger, have the players the appetite when it matters. Will they be chomping at the bit for success. I for one wish them well.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: rrhf on July 25, 2014, 10:43:21 PM
Split them in two. Quarter them to feck.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: dubsfantom on July 25, 2014, 10:47:05 PM
All of the Dublin team panel play in divisions 1 and 2. That should say a lot about our pick.

Jack McCaffrey and Cormac Costello both play in Division 3.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 25, 2014, 11:11:03 PM
All of the Dublin team panel play in divisions 1 and 2. That should say a lot about our pick.

Jack McCaffrey and Cormac Costello both play in Division 3.

And so does David Byrne from Olafs. My bad.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: macdanger2 on July 25, 2014, 11:41:33 PM
They'll be split alright, split in f@#£#n two when the meet the men from the west this year!!

Maith an fear BM
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on July 25, 2014, 11:55:46 PM
The only sport in the world where you are encouraged to dismantle the most well run, successful set up in the land.

Soccer 's most famous country is Brazil, who are the same size as the whole of Europe with a population of 200million. Yet they were dismantled by Germany. Nobody was calling for either country to be split in two.

The driving force behind this desire to split Dublin is SPITE.

Its all down to talent and the way it was nurtured. Are the GAA supposed to split every big club in the country in two to make things even.

Get real

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 26, 2014, 12:22:53 AM
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Are the GAA supposed to split every big club in the country in two to make things even.

So if an area has a growing population do you just let the club get bigger and bigger?
 Has a club area ever been split in Dublin or are the clubs as the were in 1884?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 26, 2014, 09:00:39 AM
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Are the GAA supposed to split every big club in the country in two to make things even.

So if an area has a growing population do you just let the club get bigger and bigger?
 Has a club area ever been split in Dublin or are the clubs as the were in 1884?
so you do you want split  clubs now?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 09:45:26 AM
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Are the GAA supposed to split every big club in the country in two to make things even.

So if an area has a growing population do you just let the club get bigger and bigger?
 Has a club area ever been split in Dublin or are the clubs as the were in 1884?

brigids were effectively split when castleknock setup beside them. thats what you do. There are no superclubs on the northside - its the southside where they exist.

In my locality there are 10 GAA clubs in a 3-4 mile radius.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 11:23:40 AM
I keep having to post this because people seem to forget it, well the Dubs like to ignore it. You wont be split just due to population, look at the table:




Here's what millions of euro has bought the Dubs so far:

Dubl$n’s Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012, 2014
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

This is why you have to split, ignore it all you want but when you took the money it was inevitable that it would lead to splitting eventually.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 26, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
Rugby in NZ, Aus and SA is always looking to change its formats and the teams involved.

That is why those three countries regularly contest the final stages of the world cup.
They are constantly looking to evolve and change.

Maybe the time has come to look at some change in the GAA.
You cannot rely on county boundaries, most of which were drawn up in the 1500s!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 26, 2014, 11:43:43 AM
So wat did the money get spent on? pitches?  floodlights ? Coaches? I mean games developement is a broad heading? How much did Laois receive for the re developement of OMoore park? When cork and Kerry are seeded to reach the Munster final and the looser goes straight to the round 4 of the qualifiers are they winning 'bought titles' ?
I don't really understand the table so when you answer the above I might have a better understanding!
Thanks
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 12:41:21 PM
I keep having to post this because people seem to forget it, well the Dubs like to ignore it. You wont be split just due to population, look at the table:




Here's what millions of euro has bought the Dubs so far:

Dubl$n’s Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012, 2014
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

This is why you have to split, ignore it all you want but when you took the money it was inevitable that it would lead to splitting eventually.



You must have missed the 400k Kerry GAA receives. Did you attend Maths class at school?



Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: orangeman on July 26, 2014, 12:50:06 PM
I keep having to post this because people seem to forget it, well the Dubs like to ignore it. You wont be split just due to population, look at the table:




Here's what millions of euro has bought the Dubs so far:

Dubl$n’s Bought Titles:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012, 2014
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

This is why you have to split, ignore it all you want but when you took the money it was inevitable that it would lead to splitting eventually.

Where did those figures ( money spent on games development ) come from, just out of interest ? And does "games development" exckusively mean paying coaches ?.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 26, 2014, 01:32:49 PM
Has don't matter been busted ? AGAIN !
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 02:24:03 PM
The figures for games development comes from the annual congress reports, it doesn't include money for pitches or floodlights or any of that. Here's the link for this years report: http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/Annual_Congress_Final_Report2.pdf
As you'll see Kerry got 53,000 last year.
Coaches get paid, there's a strategic programme manager, regional development officers, games promotion officers, they all get paid. The 1.5 million or so that Dubl$n GAA receive for games development yearly is just scratching the surface by the way, they have millions more available to them.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
Has don't matter been busted ? AGAIN !

Afraid not John boy.  ;D You've embarrassed yourself AGAIN!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 02:30:02 PM
The figures for games development comes from the annual congress reports, it doesn't include money for pitches or floodlights or any of that. Here's the link for this years report: http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/Annual_Congress_Final_Report2.pdf
As you'll see Kerry got 53,000 last year.
Coaches get paid, there's a strategic programme manager, regional development officers, games promotion officers, they all get paid. The 1.5 million or so that Dubl$n GAA receive for games development yearly is just scratching the surface by the way, they have millions more available to them.

Oops as he lights up a Hamlet.

http://munster.gaa.ie/2014/03/12/munster-gaa-%E2%80%93-where-does-the-money-go/

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 26, 2014, 02:42:43 PM
The figures for games development comes from the annual congress reports, it doesn't include money for pitches or floodlights or any of that. Here's the link for this years report: http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/Annual_Congress_Final_Report2.pdf
As you'll see Kerry got 53,000 last year.
Coaches get paid, there's a strategic programme manager, regional development officers, games promotion officers, they all get paid. The 1.5 million or so that Dubl$n GAA receive for games development yearly is just scratching the surface by the way, they have millions more available to them.

Oops as he lights up a Hamlet.

http://munster.gaa.ie/2014/03/12/munster-gaa-%E2%80%93-where-does-the-money-go/
Again, you need to be specific in your points as I cannot see why you are quoting those numbers
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: rrhf on July 26, 2014, 02:43:57 PM
is this inclusive or exclusive the type of arrangement which enticed keiran mc keever to coach in Dublin or are those arrangements different
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 02:55:00 PM
Oops as he lights up a Hamlet.

http://munster.gaa.ie/2014/03/12/munster-gaa-%E2%80%93-where-does-the-money-go/

 ;D What's this? Did you have a look at my link? All of it? http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/Annual_Congress_Final_Report2.pdf
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 02:56:25 PM
is this inclusive or exclusive the type of arrangement which enticed keiran mc keever to coach in Dublin or are those arrangements different

That's a Parnells thing, that's different.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 02:57:20 PM
Oops as he lights up a Hamlet.

http://munster.gaa.ie/2014/03/12/munster-gaa-%E2%80%93-where-does-the-money-go/

 ;D What's this? Did you have a look at my link? All of it? http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/Annual_Congress_Final_Report2.pdf

You stated that kerry got 53k. I've just proven you're talking through your arse.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 02:58:17 PM
The figures for games development comes from the annual congress reports, it doesn't include money for pitches or floodlights or any of that. Here's the link for this years report: http://www.gaa.ie/content/documents/Annual_Congress_Final_Report2.pdf
As you'll see Kerry got 53,000 last year.
Coaches get paid, there's a strategic programme manager, regional development officers, games promotion officers, they all get paid. The 1.5 million or so that Dubl$n GAA receive for games development yearly is just scratching the surface by the way, they have millions more available to them.

Oops as he lights up a Hamlet.

http://munster.gaa.ie/2014/03/12/munster-gaa-%E2%80%93-where-does-the-money-go/
Again, you need to be specific in your points as I cannot see why you are quoting those numbers

205k for a centre of excellence in Kerry. The resident clown claims they got 53k. You do the maths or better still take up English lessons.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 03:04:37 PM
You stated that kerry got 53k. I've just proven you're talking through your arse.

 ;D I'm embarrassed for you, I said 53k for games development. I haven't included money for grounds or centres of excellence, do you know how high Dubl$ns figure would be then? You've really made a show of yourself here.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: barelegs on July 26, 2014, 03:07:41 PM
To be fair to Don't Matter he was explicitly talking about the games development spending by the GAA directly to the Dublin County Board.

The GAA gave €1,509,631 directly to the Dublin County Board for games development last year.

Kerry for example got €53,253 directly for the same, Tyrone got €38,766 and Cork got €95,737. Derry got the second most with €116,635.

The Provincial Councils are each allocated money separately for Games Development. This can be passed on directly to counties or spent centrally on provincial council coaches.

Leinster got the most again (€1,712,365) some of which you'd imagine would find it's way back to Dublin, Ulster got €1,313,068 and Munster €1,084,314
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
You stated that kerry got 53k. I've just proven you're talking through your arse.

 ;D I'm embarrassed for you, I said 53k for games development. I haven't included money for grounds or centres of excellence, do you know how high Dubl$ns figure would be then? You've really made a show of yourself here.

Haven't made a show myself old bean. We don't have a centre of excellence or a county training centre. 

Dublin team train in several locations over the course of the year.

Let's add up the rest of kerry's allocation there and see what they come to.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 26, 2014, 03:11:58 PM
You stated that kerry got 53k. I've just proven you're talking through your arse.

 ;D I'm embarrassed for you, I said 53k for games development. I haven't included money for grounds or centres of excellence, do you know how high Dubl$ns figure would be then? You've really made a show of yourself here.

Haven't made a show myself old bean. We don't have a centre of excellence or a county training centre. 

Dublin team train in several locations over the course of the year.

Let's add up the rest of kerry's allocation there and see what they come to.
ye have at least 3 centres of excellence for yer teams to use.
none of which ye paid out the capital cost for!

DCU
UCD
NADA
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 03:12:59 PM
You stated that kerry got 53k. I've just proven you're talking through your arse.

 ;D I'm embarrassed for you, I said 53k for games development. I haven't included money for grounds or centres of excellence, do you know how high Dubl$ns figure would be then? You've really made a show of yourself here.

Haven't made a show myself old bean. We don't have a centre of excellence or a county training centre. 

Dublin team train in several locations over the course of the year.

Let's add up the rest of kerry's allocation there and see what they come to.
ye have at least 3 centres of excellence for yer teams to use.
none of which ye paid out the capital cost for!

DCU
UCD
NADA

Debate gets even funnier that now national universities are now something they aren't. Complete horseshite. But believe that you want.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 03:19:47 PM
Haven't made a show myself old bean. We don't have a centre of excellence or a county training centre. 

Dublin team train in several locations over the course of the year.

Let's add up the rest of kerry's allocation there and see what they come to.

Pretending to be English now, red face for Indiana.  ;D Do you want to price the facilities Dubl$n GAA have at their disposal? The 9million euro centre that's being built in Blanchardstown?
I've not talked about facilities at all, I was clearly talking about the money invested in underage structures in Dubl$n, this has led directly to the long list of titles Dubl$n have won since 2009. You can see the list in my earlier post.
As usual you can't dispute any of the figures and you've tried to point fingers elsewhere, embarrassed yourself once more in doing so.  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 03:33:16 PM
Haven't made a show myself old bean. We don't have a centre of excellence or a county training centre. 

Dublin team train in several locations over the course of the year.

Let's add up the rest of kerry's allocation there and see what they come to.

Pretending to be English now, red face for Indiana.  ;D Do you want to price the facilities Dubl$n GAA have at their disposal? The 9million euro centre that's being built in Blanchardstown?
I've not talked about facilities at all, I was clearly talking about the money invested in underage structures in Dubl$n, this has led directly to the long list of titles Dubl$n have won since 2009. You can see the list in my earlier post.
As usual you can't dispute any of the figures and you've tried to point fingers elsewhere, embarrassed yourself once more in doing so.  ;D

You see if you knew anything at all (which you don't)- you'd know not a piece of soil as been turned on any Centre of Excellence in Abbotstown or Rathcoole. We don't have one.

You weren't talking about anything specific. You have absolutely no breakdown of how that money was spent.

So you've got nothing but your own opinion.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 26, 2014, 03:33:58 PM
You stated that kerry got 53k. I've just proven you're talking through your arse.

 ;D I'm embarrassed for you, I said 53k for games development. I haven't included money for grounds or centres of excellence, do you know how high Dubl$ns figure would be then? You've really made a show of yourself here.

Haven't made a show myself old bean. We don't have a centre of excellence or a county training centre. 

Dublin team train in several locations over the course of the year.

Let's add up the rest of kerry's allocation there and see what they come to.
ye have at least 3 centres of excellence for yer teams to use.
none of which ye paid out the capital cost for!

DCU
UCD
NADA

Debate gets even funnier that now national universities are now something they aren't. Complete horseshite. But believe that you want.
ok.
but all located in Dublin and empty for the summer. just when Dublin GAA needs them. just saying like.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 03:46:12 PM
You stated that kerry got 53k. I've just proven you're talking through your arse.

 ;D I'm embarrassed for you, I said 53k for games development. I haven't included money for grounds or centres of excellence, do you know how high Dubl$ns figure would be then? You've really made a show of yourself here.

Haven't made a show myself old bean. We don't have a centre of excellence or a county training centre. 

Dublin team train in several locations over the course of the year.

Let's add up the rest of kerry's allocation there and see what they come to.
ye have at least 3 centres of excellence for yer teams to use.
none of which ye paid out the capital cost for!

DCU
UCD
NADA

Debate gets even funnier that now national universities are now something they aren't. Complete horseshite. But believe that you want.
ok.
but all located in Dublin and empty for the summer. just when Dublin GAA needs them. just saying like.

What about UCC and CIT in Cork?

Athlone IT in Westmeath?

Ever seen the facilities lying idle there in the summer

Just saying loike!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 03:50:05 PM
You see if you knew anything at all (which you don't)- you'd know not a piece of soil as been turned on any Centre of Excellence in Abbotstown or Rathcoole. We don't have one.

You weren't talking about anything specific. You have absolutely no breakdown of how that money was spent.

So you've got nothing but your own opinion.

Why ignore Blanchardstown? I've been talking about how Dubl$n have won 26 titles since 2009, it's through huge money been pumped into underage structures along with the millions available to prepare teams.
As I've said there's paid coaches, there's a strategic programme manager, regional development officers, games promotion officers, they all get paid. This is fact not my opinion. Dubl$n have received in or around 1.5 million from GAA funds for the last 10 years for games development alone, this is fact not my opinion.
It's a fact that Dubl$ns success is off the back of millions of euro, you can't dispute this and have resorted to embarrassing yourself with diversionary tactics which have backfired. The split is coming.  :D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 04:02:00 PM
You see if you knew anything at all (which you don't)- you'd know not a piece of soil as been turned on any Centre of Excellence in Abbotstown or Rathcoole. We don't have one.

You weren't talking about anything specific. You have absolutely no breakdown of how that money was spent.

So you've got nothing but your own opinion.

Why ignore Blanchardstown? I've been talking about how Dubl$n have won 26 titles since 2009, it's through huge money been pumped into underage structures along with the millions available to prepare teams.
As I've said there's paid coaches, there's a strategic programme manager, regional development officers, games promotion officers, they all get paid. This is fact not my opinion. Dubl$n have received in or around 1.5 million from GAA funds for the last 10 years for games development alone, this is fact not my opinion.
It's a fact that Dubl$ns success is off the back of millions of euro, you can't dispute this and have resorted to embarrassing yourself with diversionary tactics which have backfired. The split is coming.  :D

All of which other counties have. The only embarrassement is you.

The split will never come. Keep dreaming.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 26, 2014, 04:17:02 PM
All of which other counties have. The only embarrassement is you.

The split will never come. Keep dreaming.

No other county comes close to the tens of millions Dubl$n have spent in the last decade. In trying to defend the indefensible you have embarrassed yourself hugely.

The split will come because one county can't be let buy All Irelands, it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 26, 2014, 04:18:03 PM
You see if you knew anything at all (which you don't)- you'd know not a piece of soil as been turned on any Centre of Excellence in Abbotstown or Rathcoole. We don't have one.

You weren't talking about anything specific. You have absolutely no breakdown of how that money was spent.

So you've got nothing but your own opinion.

Why ignore Blanchardstown? I've been talking about how Dubl$n have won 26 titles since 2009, it's through huge money been pumped into underage structures along with the millions available to prepare teams.
As I've said there's paid coaches, there's a strategic programme manager, regional development officers, games promotion officers, they all get paid. This is fact not my opinion. Dubl$n have received in or around 1.5 million from GAA funds for the last 10 years for games development alone, this is fact not my opinion.
It's a fact that Dubl$ns success is off the back of millions of euro, you can't dispute this and have resorted to embarrassing yourself with diversionary tactics which have backfired. The split is coming.  :D

All of which other counties have. The only embarrassement is you.

The split will never come. Keep dreaming.

To be fair we don't have the 26 titles. Just mail us a few of the U21 AIs to make up the difference, cheers.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 04:30:03 PM
All of which other counties have. The only embarrassement is you.

The split will never come. Keep dreaming.

No other county comes close to the tens of millions Dubl$n have spent in the last decade. In trying to defend the indefensible you have embarrassed yourself hugely.

The split will come because one county can't be let buy All Irelands, it's as simple as that.

Will never come. ...... Maybe if you were schooled in Dublin you'd have picked up basic arithmetic - must be hard counting sheep all the time
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: orangeman on July 26, 2014, 04:37:47 PM
How many full time ( paid ) coaches are there in Dublin ? Include those paid for by Leinster council, Dublin CB, clubs and others. So in total, how many full time coaches are there ?.

Is there 1 or 2 per club ?.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 26, 2014, 04:49:30 PM
All of which other counties have. The only embarrassement is you.

The split will never come. Keep dreaming.

No other county comes close to the tens of millions Dubl$n have spent in the last decade. In trying to defend the indefensible you have embarrassed yourself hugely.

The split will come because one county can't be let buy All Irelands, it's as simple as that.

Will never come. ...... Maybe if you were schooled in Dublin you'd have picked up basic arithmetic - must be hard counting sheep all the time

Leave us out of this >:(
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Aristocrat on July 26, 2014, 07:24:32 PM
Fair play Indiana for answering all the haters questions based on misinformation but you shouldn't entertain the haters, you shouldnt feed them, You Dont Matter is a joke of a WUM and has zero integrity.

Just remember, none of this was a problem when we were not winning. Only a problem now cause the haters hate Dublin winning All Irelands and numerous Leinster titles at all levels. Its great for Dublin GAA, we got our house in order, got good coaching structures in place, great to see so many kids involved at underage, long may it continue.

Just hope everyone enjoys the greatest footballing team of all time play the game in a beautiful way, attacking, free flowing football, managed by a visionary who has revolutionized the game forever with players who are all decent guys. Long may it continue for a long time. Total football.

Its always great being a Dub, buts it even better when we are winning and steam rolling teams, its great, love the way we play the game, love the 17 point victories. People giving out about Leinster not being competitive anymore, its only not competitive anymore because Dublin are so good.

Seeing threads like this make me smile and laugh and love winning.

All haters, enjoy our success. Even if we don't win the All Ireland this year, we are still winners for the way we play the game and have to compete with hatred from the other 31 counties.

Current holders of:

The league, hasn't left the capital in 2 years
Leinster, hasn't left the county for 4 years
All Ireland, hopefully we can retain
Club Leinster and All Ireland.

But Indiana, you think this is hate, wait until we win the Hurling or if we win the hurling in the next few years, then you'll see real hatred from the "traditional hurling counties"  ;)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on July 26, 2014, 07:43:21 PM
There is no doubt that Dublin gets far too much in way of Games Development funds compared to the rest of the counties
Dublin 1,509,631
Antrim 76,842
Cork 95,737
Galway 68,941
There has to be equality brought to the distribution of money.
Cavan got 44,645 last year which is a joke in the scheme of things.
Splitting Dublin is ridiculous and has nothing to do with the distribution of funds,Give other counties the necessary funds to allow themselves to try and reach the levels/standards that the Dubs are setting.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 26, 2014, 09:12:11 PM
Fair play Indiana for answering all the haters questions based on misinformation but you shouldn't entertain the haters, you shouldnt feed them, You Dont Matter is a joke of a WUM and has zero integrity.

Just remember, none of this was a problem when we were not winning. Only a problem now cause the haters hate Dublin winning All Irelands and numerous Leinster titles at all levels. Its great for Dublin GAA, we got our house in order, got good coaching structures in place, great to see so many kids involved at underage, long may it continue.

Just hope everyone enjoys the greatest footballing team of all time play the game in a beautiful way, attacking, free flowing football, managed by a visionary who has revolutionized the game forever with players who are all decent guys. Long may it continue for a long time. Total football.

Its always great being a Dub, buts it even better when we are winning and steam rolling teams, its great, love the way we play the game, love the 17 point victories. People giving out about Leinster not being competitive anymore, its only not competitive anymore because Dublin are so good.

Seeing threads like this make me smile and laugh and love winning.

All haters, enjoy our success. Even if we don't win the All Ireland this year, we are still winners for the way we play the game and have to compete with hatred from the other 31 counties.

Current holders of:

The league, hasn't left the capital in 2 years
Leinster, hasn't left the county for 4 years
All Ireland, hopefully we can retain
Club Leinster and All Ireland.

But Indiana, you think this is hate, wait until we win the Hurling or if we win the hurling in the next few years, then you'll see real hatred from the "traditional hurling counties"  ;)
Dublin football only started winning once the investment on underage squads materialised at minor, U21 and senior.
Funded by funds from Leinster GAA and Central Council. Other counties don't get the same level of support.

If the Dublin hurlers do win something then I'd say most counties would be happy for them as they've come from a much lower base 10 years ago.

The problem with Dubs is that ye think culchies hate Dublin. We don't.
We just like to be treated equally.
Counties outside the Pale are entitled to funding to help them improve across all areas of coaching and development, but currently there is a highly skewed playing field.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 09:40:53 PM
Fair play Indiana for answering all the haters questions based on misinformation but you shouldn't entertain the haters, you shouldnt feed them, You Dont Matter is a joke of a WUM and has zero integrity.

Just remember, none of this was a problem when we were not winning. Only a problem now cause the haters hate Dublin winning All Irelands and numerous Leinster titles at all levels. Its great for Dublin GAA, we got our house in order, got good coaching structures in place, great to see so many kids involved at underage, long may it continue.

Just hope everyone enjoys the greatest footballing team of all time play the game in a beautiful way, attacking, free flowing football, managed by a visionary who has revolutionized the game forever with players who are all decent guys. Long may it continue for a long time. Total football.

Its always great being a Dub, buts it even better when we are winning and steam rolling teams, its great, love the way we play the game, love the 17 point victories. People giving out about Leinster not being competitive anymore, its only not competitive anymore because Dublin are so good.

Seeing threads like this make me smile and laugh and love winning.

All haters, enjoy our success. Even if we don't win the All Ireland this year, we are still winners for the way we play the game and have to compete with hatred from the other 31 counties.

Current holders of:

The league, hasn't left the capital in 2 years
Leinster, hasn't left the county for 4 years
All Ireland, hopefully we can retain
Club Leinster and All Ireland.

But Indiana, you think this is hate, wait until we win the Hurling or if we win the hurling in the next few years, then you'll see real hatred from the "traditional hurling counties"  ;)
Dublin football only started winning once the investment on underage squads materialised at minor, U21 and senior.
Funded by funds from Leinster GAA and Central Council. Other counties don't get the same level of support.

If the Dublin hurlers do win something then I'd say most counties would be happy for them as they've come from a much lower base 10 years ago.

The problem with Dubs is that ye think culchies hate Dublin. We don't.
We just like to be treated equally.
Counties outside the Pale are entitled to funding to help them improve across all areas of coaching and development, but currently there is a highly skewed playing field.

Not true Dublin won Leinster minor titles in 99, 2002 and 2003 and an all-ireland u21 title in 2003.

We also were in the all-ireland u21   final in 2002. We were in the all ireland minor football final of 2003.

Lets be accurate we were winning long before the Investment.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on July 26, 2014, 09:57:15 PM
not really with the current batch of players who have come through in the last 4/5 years.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 26, 2014, 10:05:02 PM
not really with the current batch of players who have come through in the last 4/5 years.

When you continue to argue with facts it weakens your argument.

On the 2011 Team. Half of them came through the above batch of players and three of the rest of them Bernard, Flynn and MDMA weren't good enough to make the above teams.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 26, 2014, 10:22:20 PM
Dublin can't and won't be split, other counties can't and won't be amalgamated so if we are to have a genuine discussion about the potential disparity between Dublin and the rest, and how that could be managed we need to discuss realistic ways in which counties can compete with each other on something approaching an equal footing.

The only thing we can address is the money which is directed to counties and IMO that needs to be done in a business like manner. Who needs money, who will use it correctly and who can provide a return? Give them priority and assist others to develop the foundations required to reach the level of the more advanced counties.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 10:50:59 AM
Will never come. ...... Maybe if you were schooled in Dublin you'd have picked up basic arithmetic - must be hard counting sheep all the time

Dubs learn to count by checking how many mg's they get in their bag of 'goodies'.  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 10:53:05 AM
Will never come. ...... Maybe if you were schooled in Dublin you'd have picked up basic arithmetic - must be hard counting sheep all the time

Dubs learn to count by checking how many mg's they get in their bag of 'goodies'.  ;D

I think it's been proven we were winning at underage well before 2005.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 10:53:54 AM
We know we're cheating but we don't care.

Of course you don't but this cheating will lead to the split.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 27, 2014, 10:56:56 AM
Who will initiate the split??
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 10:59:33 AM
Who will initiate the split??

garth brooks
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 27, 2014, 11:01:07 AM
Who will initiate the split??

garth brooks

About as likely as some guy with a bee in his bonnet on an internet discussion forum!!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 11:05:52 AM
Who will initiate the split??

garth brooks

About as likely as some guy with a bee in his bonnet on an internet discussion forum!!

Similar to the chances of Dublin being split.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 11:17:05 AM
Not true Dublin won Leinster minor titles in 99, 2002 and 2003 and an all-ireland u21 title in 2003.

We also were in the all-ireland u21   final in 2002. We were in the all ireland minor football final of 2003.

Lets be accurate we were winning long before the Investment.

 ;D You want to include final appearances? So here's what's been won since 09:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 2011, 2013
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014
National Football League Champions: 2013, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: 2013
National Hurling League Titles: 2011

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2010, 2012, 2014
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2009, 2010, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: 2010, 2011

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: 2012
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: 2011, 2012

Here's a list of what was won between 1990 and 2008:

Senior
Football
All Ireland Senior Football Champions: 1995
Leinster Senior Football Champions: 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
National Football League Champions: 1991, 1993

Hurling
Leinster Senior Hurling Champions: None
National Hurling League Titles: None

U21
Football
All Ireland u21 Football Champions: 2003
Leinster u21 Football Champions: 2002, 2003, 2005

Hurling
Leinster u21 Hurling Champions: None

Minor
Football
All Ireland Minor Football Champions: None
Leinster Minor Football Champions: 1994, 1999, 2001, 2003

Hurling
Leinster Minor Hurling Champions: None

It's clear to all that the money has had a huge effect, the amount of titles won in the last 6 years compared to the 18 before is prove positive that money buys success.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 11:18:06 AM
I think it's been proven we were winning at underage well before 2005.

I think not, more embarrassment for ya.  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 11:22:00 AM
Who will initiate the split??

Dubl$n are happy to be bought titles by everyone else so it has to be initiated by other counties. A lot of people are unaware of the level of money Dubl$n have at their disposal at all levels, when they learn about it the split will come soon after.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 11:22:59 AM
Who will initiate the split??

Dubl$n are happy to be bought titles by everyone else so it has to be initiated by other counties. A lot of people are unaware of the level of money Dubl$n have at their disposal at all levels, when they learn about it the split will come soon after.

We didn't buy the 2011 title. Again more bullshit
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 11:26:55 AM
We didn't buy the 2011 title. Again more bullshit

Why are you ignoring the list I kindly put together for your viewing pleasure? How rude.
You did buy the 2011 title, firstly because the team was backboned by players that came through the multi million euro system and secondly the couple of million spent on the preparation of that team.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 11:30:22 AM
The only embarrassment here is you continuing to beat this drum. Do yourself a favour and give it up!

The drum will continue to be bet until justice is done. Others in situations like I find myself have also received abuse for their courage, lads like Nelson Mandela. We fight on though, for the good of all our people!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 11:55:27 AM
Justice!?! You're a dose who continues to destroy threads on this board with obvious hate and jealousy for Dublin. If anything I feel sorry for you.

No argument against the facts I've posted? I suppose you can't disprove a truth so you can only resort to abuse. You still bitter about last year when it was proved you could only beat a decent team with the weather going in your favour?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 27, 2014, 12:06:16 PM
Who will initiate the split??

Dubl$n are happy to be bought titles by everyone else so it has to be initiated by other counties. A lot of people are unaware of the level of money Dubl$n have at their disposal at all levels, when they learn about it the split will come soon after.

How will they learn this though?? I would put the odds on dublin splitting up there with lottery winning odds.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 12:11:47 PM
How will they learn this though?? I would put the odds on dublin splitting up there with lottery winning odds.

I know it'll be difficult with the Dubl$n controlled media never mentioning it. The more titles Dubl$n win brings the greater chance of them being split. 26 titles since 2009 and counting, I think if they buy a hurling All Ireland people will start asking more questions.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 27, 2014, 12:16:01 PM
When do you think this split will happen? This decade? Next decade?

They won't win a hurling all ireland for a good while.Last year best chance and now kilkenny wounded and a young cork team a year better. Don't think it's in that team.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 12:21:29 PM
Who will initiate the split??

Dubl$n are happy to be bought titles by everyone else so it has to be initiated by other counties. A lot of people are unaware of the level of money Dubl$n have at their disposal at all levels, when they learn about it the split will come soon after.

How will they learn this though?? I would put the odds on dublin splitting up there with lottery winning odds.

I wouldn't even have the odds as low as that. Up there with seeing dinosaurs again. You'll see Dont Matter on that back of a T-Rex
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 12:53:45 PM
When do you think this split will happen? This decade? Next decade?

They won't win a hurling all ireland for a good while.Last year best chance and now kilkenny wounded and a young cork team a year better. Don't think it's in that team.

This decade I think. The Dubs will be celebrating their bought titles but at the same time they'll be thinking that every title is one step closer to the split. What's the alternative? Just let a team win everything on the back of all of our money?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 12:57:46 PM
I wouldn't even have the odds as low as that. Up there with seeing dinosaurs again. You'll see Dont Matter on that back of a T-Rex

Have you no shame? You've been made a show of on this thread but you still continue to post your nonsense.  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BallyhaiseMan on July 27, 2014, 01:29:15 PM
Honestly, Don't Matter, you've made your point on this thread multiple times and almost the entirety of us including the Dubs agree that the funding inequality in Games Development has to be dealt with.
There is no need to constantly attack Dublin and their achievements over the last 10-12 years just to try get a rise from them.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 27, 2014, 02:03:43 PM
When do you think this split will happen? This decade? Next decade?

They won't win a hurling all ireland for a good while.Last year best chance and now kilkenny wounded and a young cork team a year better. Don't think it's in that team.

This decade I think. The Dubs will be celebrating their bought titles but at the same time they'll be thinking that every title is one step closer to the split. What's the alternative? Just let a team win everything on the back of all of our money?

They've won 2 all Ireland's from 4. Not dominance yet. No more dominant than Kerry and Tyrone in the noughties.

That is yet mind you but talk of dominance is a bit premature. League, Leinster and ai different ball games.

Dominance also comes in cycles so if they dominate for a bit who's to say that won't stop? Underage success no guarantee of senior success.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Drummerboy on July 27, 2014, 02:54:34 PM
I really don't get it. As someone who has a family member on a development squad in Dublin, I don't think they are treated any differently than kids from other counties. They train a couple of times a week. They parents pay for all the transport costs. All they get is a bit of training gear, nothing else. Clubs in Dublin have GPO, half of which is paid for by the club. There are plenty of clubs in Dublin who are still under severe financial strain. What the Dublin County Board hasn't done yet, is built a training complex like many other counties. While I have visited these academies in Louth and Newbridge, they are fine establishments but is it really necessary to have buildings as big as the Shelbourne Hotel. Dublin development squads depend of the generousity of the local clubs for training facilities. I know that there are plans for Abbotstown, which Dublin will pay 2million towards, and it will be open to everyone.

As regards the population theory, while it is an advantage, there are huge swathes of Dublin where GAA is very much a minority sport.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on July 27, 2014, 06:18:40 PM
Justice!?! You're a dose who continues to destroy threads on this board with obvious hate and jealousy for Dublin. If anything I feel sorry for you.

No argument against the facts I've posted? I suppose you can't disprove a truth so you can only resort to abuse. You still bitter about last year when it was proved you could only beat a decent team with the weather going in your favour?

Bitter?!? We put your lot out ye spanner!

And why would it be up to me to disprove your crazy accusations?!?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 06:37:40 PM
Honestly, Don't Matter, you've made your point on this thread multiple times and almost the entirety of us including the Dubs agree that the funding inequality in Games Development has to be dealt with.
There is no need to constantly attack Dublin and their achievements over the last 10-12 years just to try get a rise from them.

Oh the Dubs see nothing wrong with cheating so I don't know where that comment is coming from.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 06:39:38 PM
They've won 2 all Ireland's from 4. Not dominance yet. No more dominant than Kerry and Tyrone in the noughties.

That is yet mind you but talk of dominance is a bit premature. League, Leinster and ai different ball games.

Dominance also comes in cycles so if they dominate for a bit who's to say that won't stop? Underage success no guarantee of senior success.

They've won 26 titles since 2009. Millions pumped into underage plus millions pumped into senior is as close to guaranteeing success as you get especially when you add on the home advantage etc.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 27, 2014, 06:46:13 PM
Underage means nothing yet. As today again proved they're quite a way off in the hurling too.

Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet? Apart from home advantage what started you looking at finance? I'm intrigued as to exactly what your beef here is and why you're so incessant.

You seem very passionate about it. If you see it as such an injustice why not do something about it??
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 06:47:35 PM
I really don't get it. As someone who has a family member on a development squad in Dublin, I don't think they are treated any differently than kids from other counties. They train a couple of times a week. They parents pay for all the transport costs. All they get is a bit of training gear, nothing else. Clubs in Dublin have GPO, half of which is paid for by the club. There are plenty of clubs in Dublin who are still under severe financial strain. What the Dublin County Board hasn't done yet, is built a training complex like many other counties. While I have visited these academies in Louth and Newbridge, they are fine establishments but is it really necessary to have buildings as big as the Shelbourne Hotel. Dublin development squads depend of the generousity of the local clubs for training facilities. I know that there are plans for Abbotstown, which Dublin will pay 2million towards, and it will be open to everyone.

As regards the population theory, while it is an advantage, there are huge swathes of Dublin where GAA is very much a minority sport.

So the millions of euro is of no benefit? If you have a family member on a development squad then you know he's not on the only development squad at his age group. There's numerous development squads. All of them have paid coaches so you're dealing with the best kids all coached to a high standard for years and then when minor level is reached there's a huge pick to choose from. The facilities they use is already top notch and you have Blanchardtown on the way. The situation will get worse.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 06:48:50 PM
Bitter?!? We put your lot out ye spanner!

And why would it be up to me to disprove your crazy accusations?!?

Your win was proved to be a fluke as you lost to Wexford while we beat them with ease.

You can't disprove facts.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 06:53:50 PM
Underage means nothing yet. As today again proved they're quite a way off in the hurling too.

Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet? Apart from home advantage what started you looking at finance? I'm intrigued as to exactly what your beef here is and why you're so incessant.

You seem very passionate about it. If you see it as such an injustice why not do something about it??

Having a conveyor belt of underage talent coming through means nothing at senior level? Are you mad?

All counties are meant to be equal in the GAA, why should one county be receiving special treatment? It's an amateur sport but one county is operating on a professional basis. The question you should be asking is why don't you have a problem with it? Why is one county buying success ok with you?

Maybe I am doing something about it.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 06:58:51 PM
Underage means nothing yet. As today again proved they're quite a way off in the hurling too.

Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet? Apart from home advantage what started you looking at finance? I'm intrigued as to exactly what your beef here is and why you're so incessant.

You seem very passionate about it. If you see it as such an injustice why not do something about it??

Having a conveyor belt of underage talent coming through means nothing at senior level? Are you mad?

All counties are meant to be equal in the GAA, why should one county be receiving special treatment? It's an amateur sport but one county is operating on a professional basis. The question you should be asking is why don't you have a problem with it? Why is one county buying success ok with you?

Maybe I am doing something about it.

You do concede we didn't buy 2011. I mean you simply have to since the vast majority of the team never was trained in the monied system you claim operates.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 07:07:01 PM
You do concede we didn't buy 2011. I mean you simply have to since the vast majority of the team never was trained in the monied system you claim operates.

How do I have to? Most of the backline came through the system and many key players in the game did, that's before the money spent on team preparation. Are you admitting you bought last years All Ireland?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 27, 2014, 07:07:17 PM
Underage means nothing yet. As today again proved they're quite a way off in the hurling too.

Why do you have such a bee in your bonnet? Apart from home advantage what started you looking at finance? I'm intrigued as to exactly what your beef here is and why you're so incessant.

You seem very passionate about it. If you see it as such an injustice why not do something about it??

Having a conveyor belt of underage talent coming through means nothing at senior level? Are you mad?

All counties are meant to be equal in the GAA, why should one county be receiving special treatment? It's an amateur sport but one county is operating on a professional basis. The question you should be asking is why don't you have a problem with it? Why is one county buying success ok with you?

Maybe I am doing something about it.

It means nothing yet.there is no dominance. Yet. The likes of Tyrone had heavy dominance in the noughties in underage. Not overly many made it to senior.

A lot of counties have the "club" set ups. So they have subscriptions for willing volunteers to contribute to their county. Some counties get way more than others through this. This is through varying factors like playing population, success etc etc.

What you seem to be proposing is basically an even playing field so where does that stop?

Do you say each county is only allowed to spend x on underage setup and y on senior? Then the more successful the more is needed, e.g. More games and more prep, so do you take an average?

Then what about club? Some clubs have bigger membership than other clubs entire community population. How do you apply a level playing field to that?

So I guess to be clear I would like to know what do you propose? You propose splitting dublin. So if their costs go down what about for example if cork spent more than everyone... Would you split them?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
It means nothing yet.there is no dominance. Yet. The likes of Tyrone had heavy dominance in the noughties in underage. Not overly many made it to senior.

A lot of counties have the "club" set ups. So they have subscriptions for willing volunteers to contribute to their county. Some counties get way more than others through this. This is through varying factors like playing population, success etc etc.

What you seem to be proposing is basically an even playing field so where does that stop?

Do you say each county is only allowed to spend x on underage setup and y on senior? Then the more successful the more is needed, e.g. More games and more prep, so do you take an average?

Then what about club? Some clubs have bigger membership than other clubs entire community population. How do you apply a level playing field to that?

So I guess to be clear I would like to know what do you propose? You propose splitting dublin. So if their costs go down what about for example if cork spent more than everyone... Would you split them?

The success is guaranteed if things continue as they are, it's impossible for it not to.

What I'd like to see is funds distributed fairly. So a system is set up in all counties to develop talent in football and hurling. At the moment we have huge money pumped into one county while very little into all the others. That can't continue, there should be a cap on spend on senior teams also.

It's too late to save Dubl$n now, it's gone too far. A decade of huge spending has left their unfair advantage unrepairable.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 27, 2014, 07:40:38 PM
What's your definition of fairly??

(Genuine question)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on July 27, 2014, 07:47:26 PM
Bitter?!? We put your lot out ye spanner!

And why would it be up to me to disprove your crazy accusations?!?

Your win was proved to be a fluke as you lost to Wexford while we beat them with ease.

You can't disprove facts.

Laois lost their manager at the end of the year so obviously he didn't think it was a fluke. If Laois had of concentrated more on football and less on being gym rats they would have done better.

Anyway that has nothing to do with Dublin. What facts are you talking about? Sure Tyrone dominated underage and senior during the 00s and have plenty of money, should we split them too?!? For me it is great to see them maximise their potential! How many years were they a sleeping giant! I suppose there is always going to be one jealous fruit cake!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 07:49:06 PM
You do concede we didn't buy 2011. I mean you simply have to since the vast majority of the team never was trained in the monied system you claim operates.

How do I have to? Most of the backline came through the system and many key players in the game did, that's before the money spent on team preparation. Are you admitting you bought last years All Ireland?

Just to further rubbish you. ( not difficult)

Cluxton
Fitzsimons
Brennan
Mc Mahon
MDMA
Flynn
Alan Brogan
Diarmuid Connolly
Bernard Brogan
Barry Cahill
Eoghan O Gara
Denis Bastic
Kevin Mc Menamon

Not one of them was in this monied system as you call it from 2005. And to cap it off from 2005-2009 the Dublin u21 team was knocked out in the first round every year. So you're actually just posting bullshit now.

I could go on and on and.............................................
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: easytiger95 on July 27, 2014, 08:13:58 PM
Lads I've been guilty of it myself, but please stop giving this guy oxygen.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 27, 2014, 08:37:45 PM
Lads I've been guilty of it myself, but please stop giving this guy oxygen.

I agree, Indiana has been going on and on for long enough.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 08:48:20 PM
What's your definition of fairly??

(Genuine question)

I think some counties need more money than others based on population but nowhere near about 1.4 million more. Each county would have their main strategic officer paid for, coaches that they need paid for and whatever other positions are needed. So the plan would be the same in all counties. Get the most out of what they have available.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 08:51:16 PM
Laois lost their manager at the end of the year so obviously he didn't think it was a fluke. If Laois had of concentrated more on football and less on being gym rats they would have done better.

Anyway that has nothing to do with Dublin. What facts are you talking about? Sure Tyrone dominated underage and senior during the 00s and have plenty of money, should we split them too?!? For me it is great to see them maximise their potential! How many years were they a sleeping giant! I suppose there is always going to be one jealous fruit cake!

Laois barely lost to Donegal and the managers term was up so he left, Louth got one fluke win and that's about it.

Did Tyrone receive millions of euro to buy them their underage system? Did they have millions of euro spent on their senior team every year? Dubl$n aren't competing fairly, that's a fact.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 09:02:50 PM
Just to further rubbish you. ( not difficult)

Cluxton
Fitzsimons
Brennan
Mc Mahon
MDMA
Flynn
Alan Brogan
Diarmuid Connolly
Bernard Brogan
Barry Cahill
Eoghan O Gara
Denis Bastic
Kevin Mc Menamon

Not one of them was in this monied system as you call it from 2005. And to cap it off from 2005-2009 the Dublin u21 team was knocked out in the first round every year. So you're actually just posting bullshit now.

I could go on and on and.............................................

 ;D You've been left red faced multiple times on this thread.

Weren't Fitzsimons, McMahon and McManamon through the system? Along with O'Carroll, O'Sullivan, McCarthy and the man of the match in the final Nolan?

That the Dubl$n u21's were knocked out in the first round between 05 and 09 is further prove that money is the reason for your success. The huge number of development squads began in 05, so it would take a few years for them to reach u21 age group.

You can't go on and on because you've been proven incorrect time after time on this thread and then you just ignore the facts I put before you. Yet you still come back for more humiliation.  ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 27, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
Cavan gave Dublin a good beating in the Gerry Reilly today, winning 1-16 to 1-8. Time to consider splitting Cavan perhaps?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 09:10:35 PM
Cavan gave Dublin a good beating in the Gerry Reilly today, winning 1-16 to 1-8. Time to consider splitting Cavan perhaps?

Have they received around 1.5 million euros for the past decade for underage development?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 27, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
Is your argument Dublin should be split because they get too much money?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 09:15:44 PM
Is your argument Dublin should be split because they get too much money?

Then people say I repeat myself too much. Obviously not enough in some people's case.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 27, 2014, 09:26:29 PM
Didn't read many posts on this thread  but if Cavan U16's can beat Dublin's U16 team then population isn't an issue but you referred to money so I presumed you thought they should be split because of money.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 09:31:04 PM
Didn't read many posts on this thread  but if Cavan U16's can beat Dublin's U16 team then population isn't an issue but you referred to money so I presumed you thought they should be split because of money.

Well yes, don't you think this level of money has helped them?


Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Zulu on July 27, 2014, 09:47:28 PM
I would agree it's helped them but how would splitting them change anything? Why isn't the solution to reduce funding from central council a bit?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
I would agree it's helped them but how would splitting them change anything? Why isn't the solution to reduce funding from central council a bit?

It's won them 26 titles since 2009. It's been a decade of this level of funding, that's a decade of perfecting a system to develop talent. There's no reversing that advantage they've had over every other county. Then when you consider that the increased success level (26 titles including 2 senior All Irelands) has brought them a huge sponsorship deal from aig then there's just no way it can continue.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: larryin89 on July 27, 2014, 10:08:45 PM
Didn't read many posts on this thread  but if Cavan U16's can beat Dublin's U16 team then population isn't an issue but you referred to money so I presumed you thought they should be split because of money.

Well yes, don't you think this level of money has helped them?




Why does the table say second highest and lowest , why not name the county as is done in Dublins case?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 27, 2014, 10:10:38 PM
It isn't rocket science. There is a large young population in Dublin who can be brought into the GAA and it is entirely appropriate for the GAA to direct money there for that purpose. This will hopefully lead to a large number of people playing at a high level. But, while this investment by the GAA is warranted, it cannot be turned on the rest of the country by creating super clubs or a super country that distort the national competitions.  In the 1880s, there was a dozen counties with more than a quarter of Dublin's population, now there is one. The club is supposed to be the bedrock of the GAA, new clubs have come into existence in Dublin and boundaries have shifted, yet the county is supposed to fixed immutably for all time, it makes no sense. Regrettably some Dublin contributors have taken their cue from the Isreali government propaganda dept, with offensive comments about mental illness,  to anyone who suggests that this should not go on indefinitely.


Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 10:19:59 PM
Why does the table say second highest and lowest , why not name the county as is done in Dublins case?

The second highest and lowest county nearly always changed. I think Derry were the 2nd highest receivers for 3 or 4 of those years. Tyrone were the lowest on a couple of occasions I think. Just going on memory there. The only thing that remained constant was Dubl$n were number one on the list far ahead of anyone else.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 10:24:47 PM
Just to further rubbish you. ( not difficult)

Cluxton
Fitzsimons
Brennan
Mc Mahon
MDMA
Flynn
Alan Brogan
Diarmuid Connolly
Bernard Brogan
Barry Cahill
Eoghan O Gara
Denis Bastic
Kevin Mc Menamon

Not one of them was in this monied system as you call it from 2005. And to cap it off from 2005-2009 the Dublin u21 team was knocked out in the first round every year. So you're actually just posting bullshit now.

I could go on and on and.............................................

 ;D You've been left red faced multiple times on this thread.

Weren't Fitzsimons, McMahon and McManamon through the system? Along with O'Carroll, O'Sullivan, McCarthy and the man of the match in the final Nolan?

That the Dubl$n u21's were knocked out in the first round between 05 and 09 is further prove that money is the reason for your success. The huge number of development squads began in 05, so it would take a few years for them to reach u21 age group.

You can't go on and on because you've been proven incorrect time after time on this thread and then you just ignore the facts I put before you. Yet you still come back for more humiliation.  ;D

What a muppet you truly are.

Michael Fitsimons played on the Dublin junior team. Have you looked at Kev Mac's birth cert?

I want a recognition from you that 2011 was based on 99-2003 and additional players who never saw the benefit of one iota of funding.

And considering two of them were our footballers of the year in 2011 and 2013 it really shows what a pile of rubbish you're peddling
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 27, 2014, 10:26:40 PM
Why does the table say second highest and lowest , why not name the county as is done in Dublins case?

The second highest and lowest county nearly always changed. I think Derry were the 2nd highest receivers for 3 or 4 of those years. Tyrone were the lowest on a couple of occasions I think. Just going on memory there. The only thing that remained constant was Dubl$n were number one on the list far ahead of anyone else.

You've been rightly stuffed tonight.

That Dublin u16 team is a brilliant side and if Cavan can beat them- it just shows you're talking through your arse about population and funding. Cavan have a brilliant underage structure now and it just shows what a bit of planning can do.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: tiempo on July 27, 2014, 10:31:49 PM
Why does the table say second highest and lowest , why not name the county as is done in Dublins case?

The second highest and lowest county nearly always changed. I think Derry were the 2nd highest receivers for 3 or 4 of those years. Tyrone were the lowest on a couple of occasions I think. Just going on memory there. The only thing that remained constant was Dubl$n were number one on the list far ahead of anyone else.

You've been rightly stuffed tonight.

That Dublin u16 team is a brilliant side and if Cavan can beat them- it just shows you're talking through your arse about population and funding. Cavan have a brilliant underage structure now and it just shows what a bit of planning can do.


How are the Dublin U8 development squad getting on at the minute, any klinkers in it? Or have the Aussies had their pick yet?

Mark my words Cavan won't win an USFC in the next 10 years
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 10:34:32 PM
What a muppet you truly are.

Michael Fitsimons played on the Dublin junior team. Have you looked at Kev Mac's birth cert?

I want a recognition from you that 2011 was based on 99-2003 and additional players who never saw the benefit of one iota of funding.

And considering two of them were our footballers of the year in 2011 and 2013 it really shows what a pile of rubbish you're peddling

 ;D The backbone of the team came through the system, you can't just ignore them cause it doesn't suit you. You bought your two recent senior All Irelands, it's a fact, don't blame me.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dont Matter on July 27, 2014, 10:39:02 PM
You've been rightly stuffed tonight.

That Dublin u16 team is a brilliant side and if Cavan can beat them- it just shows you're talking through your arse about population and funding. Cavan have a brilliant underage structure now and it just shows what a bit of planning can do.

 ;D What are you on about? You've been destroyed over and over again.

Imagine what Cavan could do with funding at a similar level to Dubl$n. I've already proved that Dubl$n are only successful cause of money.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BartSimpson on July 27, 2014, 10:48:13 PM
Get a room you 2.

2 obnoxious fools
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 27, 2014, 11:21:16 PM
Good article by Ewan McKenna on this matter in today's Sunday Business Post. His point was that if Dublin are well organised that their massive population makes it impossible for anyone else to compete.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 27, 2014, 11:26:01 PM
Good article by Ewan McKenna on this matter in today's Sunday Business Post. His point was that if Dublin are well organised that their massive population makes it impossible for anyone else to compete.

Don't Matter's true identity has finally been revealed.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: midLouth on July 28, 2014, 12:07:51 AM
Laois lost their manager at the end of the year so obviously he didn't think it was a fluke. If Laois had of concentrated more on football and less on being gym rats they would have done better.

Anyway that has nothing to do with Dublin. What facts are you talking about? Sure Tyrone dominated underage and senior during the 00s and have plenty of money, should we split them too?!? For me it is great to see them maximise their potential! How many years were they a sleeping giant! I suppose there is always going to be one jealous fruit cake!

Laois barely lost to Donegal and the managers term was up so he left, Louth got one fluke win and that's about it.

Did Tyrone receive millions of euro to buy them their underage system? Did they have millions of euro spent on their senior team every year? Dubl$n aren't competing fairly, that's a fact.

Donegal were a mess since winning the All Ireland, just getting beaten by them is not something I would be priding my county on.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 28, 2014, 12:11:17 AM
Good article by Ewan McKenna on this matter in today's Sunday Business Post. His point was that if Dublin are well organised that their massive population makes it impossible for anyone else to compete.

Nothing by Mc Kenna is ever good. Its just the usual biased, uninteresting rubbish that he picks off various message boards.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: 30mog on July 31, 2014, 08:05:38 AM
With reference to the original question about splitting Dublin. 

You could do it the other way. Merge smaller counties into one team so all teams draw from a similar population.  However, I realise it would leave about us with a line up of Dublin, rest of Leinster, Munster, Connacht & Ulster. 

It also suggests that if one day the GAA became a professional league of say 15.  It would be 3 teams in Dublin, 3 elsewhere in Leinster and 3 in each of the other provinces.  What an awful thought?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: northsideboy on July 31, 2014, 09:59:00 AM
Two quick points:
1.I wouldn't take much that Ewan Mc Kenna writes with any level of seriousness.
2. dont matter, if you are a wum, its not funny or if you really feel that way, you need help.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 31, 2014, 10:27:15 AM
Two quick points:
1.I wouldn't take much that Ewan Mc Kenna writes with any level of seriousness.
2. dont matter, if you are a wum, its not funny or if you really feel that way, you need help.

Either Ewan McKenna or Don't matter should not be attacked ad hominem, if you believe the things that say are inaccurate then point out their error. Don't attack the man, it is sure sign of the weakness of your argument.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: northsideboy on July 31, 2014, 11:25:31 AM
I'm all for rational discussion, that's not happening here. I've no intention of attacking any man. Its a tired argument, best move onto constructive discussion.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Johnnybegood on July 31, 2014, 12:14:43 PM
Don't matter keeps this thread going after every Dublin match and when it gets going he does a  keiser Sossae and pulls a Houdini
It's my belief that he is anti dub and attempts to use his table of figures to pour could water on dublins achievements after every victory and when challenged he time and again fails to respond and generally resorts to the Dublin junkie stereotype rubbish.

This current football team is a special group of players and yes some have come through developement squads. Dublin are not the only county with developement squads.
Until he shows exactly how the money is spent his argument on a financial imbalance  is a non runner!

And until he provides this against the way money is spent in all other counties his argument for a split is a non starter

Maybe when he puts up figures for adult playing numbers in each county we might get a better balanced view of population imbalances.

Fortunately my body seems to have an in built mechanism preventing me from holding my breath!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 31, 2014, 12:21:32 PM
is there anywhere we can access data like this? Membership numbers for each club/county, playing numbers for each club / county?
Im sure the GAA has a database of this sort of thing, but is it available to the public?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Hill is Blue on July 31, 2014, 04:29:17 PM
After the performance of the Tipperary hurlers last week against the Dubs isn’t it time that Tipperary was split. How about Tipperary North and Tipperary South?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: imtommygunn on July 31, 2014, 04:32:43 PM
Is the county not basically a split like that between hurling and football anyway??
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 31, 2014, 04:37:02 PM
Is the county not basically a split like that between hurling and football anyway??

Well that's that sorted so. The next item on the agenda is ensuring Kerry never win even another junior AI.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on July 31, 2014, 06:08:48 PM
After the performance of the Tipperary hurlers last week against the Dubs isn’t it time that Tipperary was split. How about Tipperary North and Tipperary South?

Why should Tipperary be penalised for being good. Dublin has 8 times the population of Tipp, that's why it should be split.
Dub posters keep avoiding the point and introducing irrelevancies.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 31, 2014, 07:22:12 PM
Two quick points:
1.I wouldn't take much that Ewan Mc Kenna writes with any level of seriousness.
2. dont matter, if you are a wum, its not funny or if you really feel that way, you need help.

Either Ewan McKenna or Don't matter should not be attacked ad hominem, if you believe the things that say are inaccurate then point out their error. Don't attack the man, it is sure sign of the weakness of your argument.

Its been pointed ad lib. I've pulled him up on a number of inaccuarcies and the glaring one is the 2011 AI Title which was won largely with players from a different era.

But you'll only read the bits you want to read. like him.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: dubsfantom on July 31, 2014, 07:48:20 PM


Why should Tipperary be penalised for being good. Dublin has 8 times the population of Tipp, that's why it should be split.
Dub posters keep avoiding the point and introducing irrelevancies.

The most common argument for splitting Dublin is to do with competitiveness. The fear is that Dublin will become so good in football that no one else will have a chance. The reasons for becoming so good may be many and debatable.

At the end of the day people are still largely only worried about being too good for everybody else. But that same argument about being too good for everybody else should be applied to any county, not just Dublin, irrespective of how that dominance is arrived at.

i would not suggest that Tipperary are too good to be split though.


Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on July 31, 2014, 08:09:11 PM
The problem/fear is that if Dublin gets decent level of GAA penetration into its 1.3m population there will be a monster against whom nobody can compete ever again.
Anyway what would be wrong with 2 or 3 good Regional Dublin teams?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: INDIANA on July 31, 2014, 08:10:49 PM
The problem/fear is that if Dublin gets decent level of GAA penetration into its 1.3m population there will be a monster against whom nobody can compete ever again.
Anyway what would be wrong with 2 or 3 good Regional Dublin teams?

Never going to happen with soccer and rugby. Soccer will get good at some point again and with the Rugby WC likely to held here that will be a massive boost for rugby.

What would be wrong? Everything- a complete loss of identity. I would never support a regional team. I'll take up watching another sport before I'd do that.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on July 31, 2014, 08:19:22 PM
The problem/fear is that if Dublin gets decent level of GAA penetration into its 1.3m population there will be a monster against whom nobody can compete ever again.
Anyway what would be wrong with 2 or 3 good Regional Dublin teams?

Never going to happen with soccer and rugby. Soccer will get good at some point again and with the Rugby WC likely to held here that will be a massive boost for rugby.

What would be wrong? Everything- a complete loss of identity. I would never support a regional team. I'll take up watching another sport before I'd do that.

It's the money that I'd be more worried about than population. At least most people accept there is an imbalance that needs to be addressed in some meaningful manner.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: orangeman on September 06, 2014, 12:24:27 AM
Abramovich is living in Donegal.

http://balls.ie/gaa/picture-three-donegal-players-get-helicopter-from-dublin-to-training/
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: rodney trotter on October 22, 2014, 01:15:58 PM
Cut in the grant aid for next year


While no specific figure has been mentioned, there's a clear recommendation from the Association's financial planners to "reduce the funding to Dublin over time in the interests of equalisation."

It comes as part of a wide-ranging review of central funding to counties, undertaken by the GAA's National Financial Management Committee (NFMC) at the behest of director-general Paraic Duffy.

Among the others recommendations are:

1 - Allocation of higher grants to smaller counties.

2 - Abolishing the annual €400,000 hurley and helmet subsidy.






3 - Adjusting the income share-out from the Allianz Leagues and providing an incentive for counties to market their 'home' games.

4 - Formally identifying what constitutes a 'smaller' county for funding purposes.

5 - Reviewing the charge for season tickets and their availability so as to protect league income.

The proposal to cut Dublin's allocation for coaching and games development will prove contentious in the capital but is likely to be welcomed elsewhere.

There has been complaints from some counties in recent times that Dublin's capacity to line up major sponsorship deals gives them a big financial advantage over most of their rivals.

Dublin's success in football and hurling has widened their appeal in the corporate world, further increasing their ability to land big sponsorships at a time when smaller counties, in particular, are finding it difficult to attract substantial backers.

That, in turn, has led to claims that Dublin are flying on a much higher financial orbit than most of the other counties.

Dublin's most recent coaching/games development grant was just over €1.5 million, equating to 25pc of the total budget for all 32 counties. It was more than six times higher than second-placed Cork, who received €224,000.

Dublin's total was just under the entire allocation for the other 11 Leinster counties. However, Dublin are catering for a population of 1.3 million, which is higher than the rest of Leinster combined.

The NFMC's report notes that GAA funding is supplemented by Irish Sports Council grants, based on the numbers participating in various sports.

"Historically, Dublin received a specific grant from the Irish Sports Council. This is no longer the situation but the coaches are in place and continue to be funded. Coaches are employed, based on the need as identified by the provincial council in conjunction with the National Coaching & Games Committee.

"In the interests of equalisation and of achieving a better funding distribution balance, it is proposed to reduce the funding allocation to Dublin over time.

"This can only be done on a phased basis and, at the same time, the participation numbers need to be factored in, as we cannot withdraw funding from areas that may impact on Irish Sports Council funding," states the report.

Dublin will be deeply unhappy at any proposal that involves less funding at a time when the city continues to expand, thus adding to the challenges facing existing GAA clubs, some of whom haven't got the facilities to deal with soaring numbers. Setting up new clubs is not a feasible option in many areas either, since there's no available land for pitches.

Besides, establishing a new club is a costly operation.

Deciding on what constitutes a 'smaller county' for funding purposes presented a challenge but the NMFC have decided on a number of criteria.

The first requirement is for a population of less than 100,000, with due recognition given to Ulster counties where, the NMFC notes, "the full population will not be supporting Gaelic Games."

However, Division 1 and 2 counties will not be considered for extra-grant aid.

Reserves

The same will apply to counties with solid financial reserves. Counties with fewer than 35 clubs would classify as weaker counties, although quite where that leaves Roscommon is a moot point. They have 32 clubs but will be in Division 2 of the National Football League next year.

The €400,000 per annum hurley and helmet subsidy is no longer seen as necessary; instead the money will be allocated to smaller counties.

The last pay-out under this scheme ranged from €36,000 for Cork to €6,000 each for Cavan, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Longford, Monaghan and Tyrone.

Other payments included sums of between €30,400 and €20,800 going to Dublin, Kilkenny, Galway, Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford and Wexford.

Distribution of National League money will continue in much the same format as heretofore but a basic minimum return will apply for each county. It's also proposed to provide a marketing budget to counties to promote their 'home' games.

That has been a contentious issue for many years, with counties arguing that they should be supported in their marketing of League games and allowed to retain a higher percentage of the gate money.

In order to improve cash flows to county boards, the distribution of an annual €175,000 grant will be paid on a staggered basis, starting in January and finishing in October.

However, that's dependent on strict adherence to various requirements, including the provision of up-to-date accounts throughout the year, starting in January and ending in October.

Failure to meet the deadlines will result in the loss of €5,000.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on October 22, 2014, 02:24:43 PM
Quote
although quite where that leaves Roscommon is a moot point. They have 32 clubs but will be in Division 2 of the National Football League next year.

St Brigid's should be split in 4 to make up the required number of clubs.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on October 22, 2014, 03:13:17 PM
And Crossmaglen should be made field a separate team from each street to make the Armagh championship competitive again ;)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on October 22, 2014, 03:26:35 PM
And Crossmaglen should be made field a separate team from each street to make the Armagh championship competitive again ;)

Fortunately the Kernan's no longer all live with the Da, otherwise this wouldn't work.
But you could exclude players and managers who live in Creggan.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on December 11, 2014, 01:23:08 PM
http://balls.ie/gaa/meath-footballer-ciaran-lenehan-clear-winner-best-tweet-water-protest/

Golden.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: heffo on December 11, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
http://balls.ie/gaa/meath-footballer-ciaran-lenehan-clear-winner-best-tweet-water-protest/

Golden.

Himself and O'Rourke are great at the Twitter alright.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on February 05, 2015, 08:11:54 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641)

Dublin claiming the bulk of GAA’s development funds
Annual financial report for 2014 shows capital netting more than the other combined 31 counties

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Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Michael Schmeichal on February 05, 2015, 05:45:56 PM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641 (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641)

Dublin claiming the bulk of GAA’s development funds
Annual financial report for 2014 shows capital netting more than the other combined 31 counties

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As Padraig Duffy said those figures are completely misleading as Dublin's coaching wage bill is accounted for in their total while this is not the case for every other county. This won;t stop the usual suspects pissing and moaning though.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: kerryforsam16 on July 20, 2016, 10:49:37 AM
 SPlit dublin in 4.  Give us small fish a chance
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Aristocrat on July 20, 2016, 11:01:22 AM
SPlit dublin in 4.  Give us small fish a chance

How much tax have Kerry GAA paid on the 6 million dollars they brought back from the states.

Why are the under 16 girls team wearing GPS tracking systems, how much did that cost, do other counties have those facilities.

How many soft all Irelands are Kerry willing to give back>? I would deduct them at least 20
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: seafoid on July 20, 2016, 11:09:34 AM
Time to split the full back line more than anything else
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: kerryforsam16 on July 20, 2016, 11:20:49 AM
SPlit dublin in 4.  Give us small fish a chance

How much tax have Kerry GAA paid on the 6 million dollars they brought back from the states.

Why are the under 16 girls team wearing GPS tracking systems, how much did that cost, do other counties have those facilities.

How many soft all Irelands are Kerry willing to give back>? I would deduct them at least 20

how many all irelands medals have you? no such thing as handy all ireland.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Aristocrat on July 20, 2016, 11:25:42 AM
SPlit dublin in 4.  Give us small fish a chance

How much tax have Kerry GAA paid on the 6 million dollars they brought back from the states.

Why are the under 16 girls team wearing GPS tracking systems, how much did that cost, do other counties have those facilities.

How many soft all Irelands are Kerry willing to give back>? I would deduct them at least 20

how many all irelands medals have you? no such thing as handy all ireland.

1 club all Ireland.

You are right, but there are easier routes to winning it which Kerry have had for the last 100 years.

But sure . . . .

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: westbound on July 21, 2016, 09:27:54 AM
How is Kerry's route so much easier than Dublin's or Mayo's for that matter?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: The Aristocrat on July 21, 2016, 11:42:11 AM
How is Kerry's route so much easier than Dublin's or Mayo's for that matter?

Please look at history, look through the 70s /80s, play Cork, then say play Antrim or another Nordie team and back then lets face it they were not great and then play a weakened team in the final unless it was Dublin.

3 games. 1 of them a handy number.

Some reading.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-lucky-kingdoms-allireland-route-proves-its-time-for-a-qualifier-rethink-34897898.html

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/340098/340098
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Bart McQueen on August 09, 2017, 10:49:22 AM
Need to split Dublin into 4 regions
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: From the Bunker on August 09, 2017, 10:54:04 AM
How is Kerry's route so much easier than Dublin's or Mayo's for that matter?

or Tyrone? If you are good enough you will make your route to a semi final look easy!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 11:00:12 AM
Need to split Dublin into 4 regions
I knew it'd be a simple solution that would solve it all in the end.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: LeoMc on August 09, 2017, 11:04:41 AM
Need to split Dublin into 4 regions
I knew it'd be a simple solution that would solve it all in the end.
Perhaps we should have a boundary commission every 10 years to redraw the borders to ensure equal numbers in each "franchise".
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: westbound on August 09, 2017, 11:24:10 AM
How is Kerry's route so much easier than Dublin's or Mayo's for that matter?

Please look at history, look through the 70s /80s, play Cork, then say play Antrim or another Nordie team and back then lets face it they were not great and then play a weakened team in the final unless it was Dublin.

3 games. 1 of them a handy number.

Some reading.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-lucky-kingdoms-allireland-route-proves-its-time-for-a-qualifier-rethink-34897898.html

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/340098/340098

How is that any different to Mayo in Connacht?

Or dublin who are streets ahead of the teams in leinster?

The point I'm making is the top 4 are miles ahead of everyone else. So they all have handy routes to the semi finals!

Also, you're argument about the 70/80's doesn't make sense. Are you saying that every year kerry (munster) were due to play the ulster champions they had a handy route to the final? Then surely every time dublin were due to play the ulster teams they had a handy route as well? Also, when did Antrim make an AI semi-final?

Or maybe the best teams make it look like they have easier routes?

I accept there is an imbalance in the number of games to be played by ulster and leinster counties, but that doesn't by itself make it more difficult for dublin to get to the AI semi.

My concern at the moment is that the top 4 are pulling miles ahead of everyone else, and there is no sign of the rest catching up!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Esmarelda on August 09, 2017, 11:30:24 AM
How is Kerry's route so much easier than Dublin's or Mayo's for that matter?

Please look at history, look through the 70s /80s, play Cork, then say play Antrim or another Nordie team and back then lets face it they were not great and then play a weakened team in the final unless it was Dublin.

3 games. 1 of them a handy number.

Some reading.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-lucky-kingdoms-allireland-route-proves-its-time-for-a-qualifier-rethink-34897898.html

http://www.balls.ie/gaa/340098/340098

How is that any different to Mayo in Connacht?

Or dublin who are streets ahead of the teams in leinster?

The point I'm making is the top 4 are miles ahead of everyone else. So they all have handy routes to the semi finals!

Also, you're argument about the 70/80's doesn't make sense. Are you saying that every year kerry (munster) were due to play the ulster champions they had a handy route to the final? Then surely every time dublin were due to play the ulster teams they had a handy route as well? Also, when did Antrim make an AI semi-final?

Or maybe the best teams make it look like they have easier routes?

I accept there is an imbalance in the number of games to be played by ulster and leinster counties, but that doesn't by itself make it more difficult for dublin to get to the AI semi.

My concern at the moment is that the top 4 are pulling miles ahead of everyone else, and there is no sign of the rest catching up!
Mayo lost to Galway in Connacht, squeezed by Derry after extra-time and beat Roscommon in a replay.

Tyrone are definitely the best team in Ulster but it's only two in a row they've won.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: mrhardyannual on August 09, 2017, 03:19:12 PM
Splitting Dublin in two or four is not going to make weaker counties any stronger. In fact it could lead to two or three of the Dublin based teams dominating all competitions. It would also be a huge financial loss to the association as building a support base around Fingal or Dunlaoghaire/Rathdown might take a long time. I'm not sure that it's a runner to ask Dublin to consider it, any more than a parallel suggestion to amalgamate Sligo/Leitrim , Carlow/Kilkenny/Waterford  or Fermanagh/Monaghan.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: seafoid on August 09, 2017, 03:20:42 PM
Tyrone might split Dublin, starting with Fenton
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BennyHarp on September 10, 2017, 01:52:47 AM
I read this on a Facebook post by GAA Weekly and my apologies if it has been shared before. But it would seem to me that if Dublin was ever split into two teams North and South, then we would run the risk of having a regular Dublin v Dublin All Ireland final. Though Dublin North in particular is very strong.

Here are the two teams:

Dublin North

1. Stephen Cluxton (Parnells)

2. Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna)

3. Philly McMahon (Ballymun Kickhams)

4. Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens)

5. Eric Lowndes (St Peregrines)

6. John Small (Ballymun Kickhams)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf)

8. Brian Fenton (Raheny)

9. James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams)

10. Paul Flynn (Fingallians)

11. Diarmuid Connolly (St Vincent's)

12. Ciaran Kilkenny (Castleknock)

13. Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett's/ER)

14. Paddy Andrews (St Brigid's)

15. Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams)

Dublin South

1. Lorcan Molloy (St Anne's)

2. Mick Fitzsimons (Cuala)

3. David Byrne (St Olaf's)

4. Cillian O'SHea (Kilmacud Crokes)

5. Conor Mullally (Cuala)

6. Cian O'Sullivan (Kilmacud Crokes)

7. Nicky Devereux (Balinteer St John's)

8. Michael Darragh MacAuley (Ballyboden St Enda's)

9. Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge Street)

10. Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge Street)

11. Con O'Callaghan (Cuala)

12. Mark Schutte (Cuala)

13. Paul Mannion (Kilmacud Crokes)

14. Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge Street)

15. Kevin McManamon (St Jude's)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jell 0 Biafra on September 10, 2017, 01:55:12 AM
Yep, be careful what you wish for, lads.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2017, 02:08:12 AM
I read this on a Facebook post by GAA Weekly and my apologies if it has been shared before. But it would seem to me that if Dublin was ever split into two teams North and South, then we would run the risk of having a regular Dublin v Dublin All Ireland final. Though Dublin North in particular is very strong.

Here are the two teams:

Dublin North

1. Stephen Cluxton (Parnells)

2. Jonny Cooper (Na Fianna)

3. Philly McMahon (Ballymun Kickhams)

4. Darren Daly (Fingal Ravens)

5. Eric Lowndes (St Peregrines)

6. John Small (Ballymun Kickhams)

7. Jack McCaffrey (Clontarf)

8. Brian Fenton (Raheny)

9. James McCarthy (Ballymun Kickhams)

10. Paul Flynn (Fingallians)

11. Diarmuid Connolly (St Vincent's)

12. Ciaran Kilkenny (Castleknock)

13. Bernard Brogan (St Oliver Plunkett's/ER)

14. Paddy Andrews (St Brigid's)

15. Dean Rock (Ballymun Kickhams)

Dublin South

1. Lorcan Molloy (St Anne's)

2. Mick Fitzsimons (Cuala)

3. David Byrne (St Olaf's)

4. Cillian O'SHea (Kilmacud Crokes)

5. Conor Mullally (Cuala)

6. Cian O'Sullivan (Kilmacud Crokes)

7. Nicky Devereux (Balinteer St John's)

8. Michael Darragh MacAuley (Ballyboden St Enda's)

9. Denis Bastick (Templeogue Synge Street)

10. Niall Scully (Templeogue Synge Street)

11. Con O'Callaghan (Cuala)

12. Mark Schutte (Cuala)

13. Paul Mannion (Kilmacud Crokes)

14. Eoghan O'Gara (Templeogue Synge Street)

15. Kevin McManamon (St Jude's)



Christ there's the all ireland final from hell. :-X

Never was a fan of splitting Dublin. Was it discussed when Kerry won 7 out of 9? I'm not old enough to know.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2017, 02:09:13 AM
The second team is plenty beatable. If you think that's an argument against splitting Dublin, you need to look at it again.

It bares repeating - Dublin is not a county. It hasn't been one for quite some time.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: BennyHarp on September 10, 2017, 02:17:35 AM
The second team is plenty beatable. If you think that's an argument against splitting Dublin, you need to look at it again.

It may be beatable on paper as you look at it now but a South Dublin team would quickly develop. The money structures would be put in place fairly quickly to enable them to flourish and I believe that the two Dublin teams would be very competitive very quickly.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2017, 02:31:27 AM
The second team is plenty beatable. If you think that's an argument against splitting Dublin, you need to look at it again.

It may be beatable on paper as you look at it now but a South Dublin team would quickly develop. The money structures would be put in place fairly quickly to enable them to flourish and I believe that the two Dublin teams would be very competitive very quickly.

Especially considering the potential for expansion there is in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown. The talent is there 100%. They just are playing rugby at the minute.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2017, 02:58:32 AM
The second team is plenty beatable. If you think that's an argument against splitting Dublin, you need to look at it again.

It may be beatable on paper as you look at it now but a South Dublin team would quickly develop. The money structures would be put in place fairly quickly to enable them to flourish and I believe that the two Dublin teams would be very competitive very quickly.

Especially considering the potential for expansion there is in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown. The talent is there 100%. They just are playing rugby at the minute.

You say that as if they're ever going to stop. More chance of getting prods in the north to play. Dublin would be split into Fingal, Tallaght, South DC, North DC and Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown, much as it administrated as in every walk of life besides the GAA.

Anyone who thinks a split Dublin wouldn't be good for the competitiveness of the sport is engaging in some serious whataboutry.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: T Fearon on September 10, 2017, 06:03:44 AM
I'm sure the craic would be great round Dalkey if South Dublin got to an All Ireland Final.Even Bono would be running around mad looking tickets,Pat Kenny would be tearing his hair out,and Bob Geldoff would have the business class flights home booked right away.

The only thing is,the citizens wouldn't contemplate standing on Hill 16, no no,out of the question.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: 6th sam on September 10, 2017, 10:27:32 PM
I'm sure the craic would be great round Dalkey if South Dublin got to an All Ireland Final.Even Bono would be running around mad looking tickets,Pat Kenny would be tearing his hair out,and Bob Geldoff would have the business class flights home booked right away.

The only thing is,the citizens wouldn't contemplate standing on Hill 16, no no,out of the question.

I presume you're aware , that the current All-Ireland hurling champions , Cuala,  with their large and vociferous support are based in Dalkey , and one of Ireland's laRgest clubs is only a couple of miles away in Kilmacud,. There is no doubt that there is a market for GAA in South Dublin , and not only amongst families whose parents originate from rural GAA heartlands .
GAA is a glamour sport which many parents choose in admiration of what it offers: team spirit, sense of belonging , excellent governance, on your doorstep, sense of identity, not as dangerous as rugby or as mercenary as soccer, cost effective etc etc
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: trileacman on September 10, 2017, 10:38:33 PM
South dub side are beatable.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: hardstation on September 10, 2017, 10:41:17 PM
South dub side are beatable.
+1
Who is Con O'Callaghan?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on September 10, 2017, 11:16:55 PM
South dub side are beatable.
+1
Who is Con O'Callaghan?

Favourite for young player of the year?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Aaron Boone on September 10, 2017, 11:44:17 PM
South dub side are beatable.
+1
Who is Con O'Callaghan?

Favourite for young player of the year?

Steve Cluxton is now favourite for player of the year.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: trileacman on September 11, 2017, 12:46:35 AM
South dub side are beatable.
+1
Who is Con O'Callaghan?

A swallow never made a summer.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 11, 2017, 01:58:29 AM
I'm sure the craic would be great round Dalkey if South Dublin got to an All Ireland Final.Even Bono would be running around mad looking tickets,Pat Kenny would be tearing his hair out,and Bob Geldoff would have the business class flights home booked right away.

The only thing is,the citizens wouldn't contemplate standing on Hill 16, no no,out of the question.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: mrhardyannual on September 11, 2017, 09:47:18 AM
"Time to Split Dublin"

No.1 objective of the Mayo Senior Team. :P

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: mayoaremagic on December 21, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
needs to happen in next 5 years. split the dubs
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 14, 2018, 10:56:56 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: longballin on June 14, 2018, 11:12:09 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

Is this for real?  :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on June 14, 2018, 11:15:54 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

This is essentially (alongside subsiding prepartion and travelling expenses for county teams via centralised funding) of returning the GAA to its amateur ethos at IC senior. It would make for an incredibly exciting championship with al lot of teams believing they had real chances of an AI. But what bean counter in HQ has the balls to tell Dublin they are not a county and haven’t been one for decades?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 14, 2018, 11:16:54 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

Is this for real?  :D :D :D :D :D

In time yes, let the current group beat all the records first which they will and then hope like hell that GAA can recover in the rest of the wasteland when the new structures are put in place.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 14, 2018, 11:21:45 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

I like it  :D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Mayo4Sam14 on June 14, 2018, 11:24:33 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

I assume when these teams are knocked out they have the same right as any to go through the qualifiers? Sure then we just end up with four dub teams in ai semi finals
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: longballin on June 14, 2018, 11:26:37 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

Is this for real?  :D :D :D :D :D

In time yes, let the current group beat all the records first which they will and then hope like hell that GAA can recover in the rest of the wasteland when the new structures are put in place.

So why was Kilkenny not split for hurling in the last decade or Kerry football from the mid 70s to 1986? Dubs a bit to go to surpass those teams.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on June 14, 2018, 11:32:20 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

Is this for real?  :D :D :D :D :D

In time yes, let the current group beat all the records first which they will and then hope like hell that GAA can recover in the rest of the wasteland when the new structures are put in place.

So why was Kilkenny not split for hurling in the last decade or Kerry football from the mid 70s to 1986? Dubs a bit to go to surpass those teams.

Follow the population and money before trying to trot out this old distraction of an argument.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on June 14, 2018, 11:32:43 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

I assume when these teams are knocked out they have the same right as any to go through the qualifiers? Sure then we just end up with four dub teams in ai semi finals

Maybe under the new system the qualifiers will be abandoned and an all Ireland series for the top teams after the provincial round robin. There would be a maximimum of 2 Dublin teams progressing to this with the team who finished second in the Dublin RR having to play an extra round against maybe the 3rd ranked Connacht/Munster team.
Maybe have a 2nd tier competition for the teams who don't make it but it probably wouldn't be necessary as there would be enough competitive championship games played at that stage.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: longballin on June 14, 2018, 11:34:19 PM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

Is this for real?  :D :D :D :D :D

In time yes, let the current group beat all the records first which they will and then hope like hell that GAA can recover in the rest of the wasteland when the new structures are put in place.

So why was Kilkenny not split for hurling in the last decade or Kerry football from the mid 70s to 1986? Dubs a bit to go to surpass those teams.

Follow the population and money before trying to trot out this old distraction of an argument.

Is sheer begrudgery. Like the great Kerry and Kilkenny teams this era for the Dubs will pass as well. Sup it up...
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on June 14, 2018, 11:54:47 PM
Not when they have the pick of 25% of the population of Ireland (excluding the non GAA minded in the 6 Cos)
They might only win 8 out of 10 Leinster's,  8:out of 1px NFL ST and maybe only 7 out of 10 AIs as they wait for the next magical bunch to arrive.
Kilkenny has about.1.5% of that population and Kerry about 3%.
Anyway weren't some elements in Dublin GAA asking for Provincial Council status a few years ago.
Give it to them and their 4 Co Boards ;D
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: longballin on June 15, 2018, 12:27:32 AM
Not when they have the pick of 25% of the population of Ireland (excluding the non GAA minded in the 6 Cos)
They might only win 8 out of 10 Leinster's,  8:out of 1px NFL ST and maybe only 7 out of 10 AIs as they wait for the next magical bunch to arrive.
Kilkenny has about.1.5% of that population and Kerry about 3%.
Anyway weren't some elements in Dublin GAA asking for Provincial Council status a few years ago.
Give it to them and their 4 Co Boards ;D

Dublin always had a population way more than other counties doesn't equate to success. 15 go out on the field.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Hound on June 15, 2018, 07:22:07 AM
It's a good job it's Kerry and not Dublin that have won all those minor titles in a row!

I really can't understand how all the money we give to those young lads doesn't guarantee success??

In seriousness, it is interesting how the Dubs are usually in the top 3 or 4 at U21 level most years, but are very much in the pack at minor level (but contend occasionally of course).

It's nothing to do with the "system". While it happens, it's pretty rare that someone plays 3 years at U21 (or now U20), a few will play 2 years, but there's still almost always big correlation between the minor team of 3 years ago and the current year U21 team.

I think the highly competitive Dublin club scene plays a huge part in the development of these lads, as apart from the very odd lad who gets into the senior squad at 19, the players are all back to the clubs and play almost all club games. Also the big advantage that almost everyone goes to college in Dublin, so it's easier to stick at the football so they can commit to the serious demands required for even training/playing for a Dublin division one club. 

In my club we've played 7 league games and 2 championship games this year and we've one lad on the U20 Dubs team and he's played 8 of the 9 games (not sure, but could well have been a knock rather than Dubs commitment why he missed the one game). Would that be happening in every county? Would certainly have been impossible for my club mate if he was in college in Cork or Galway as we've played 3 or 4 games on Wednesday evenings.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: longballin on June 15, 2018, 07:45:58 AM
It's a good job it's Kerry and not Dublin that have won all those minor titles in a row!

I really can't understand how all the money we give to those young lads doesn't guarantee success??

In seriousness, it is interesting how the Dubs are usually in the top 3 or 4 at U21 level most years, but are very much in the pack at minor level (but contend occasionally of course).

It's nothing to do with the "system". While it happens, it's pretty rare that someone plays 3 years at U21 (or now U20), a few will play 2 years, but there's still almost always big correlation between the minor team of 3 years ago and the current year U21 team.

I think the highly competitive Dublin club scene plays a huge part in the development of these lads, as apart from the very odd lad who gets into the senior squad at 19, the players are all back to the clubs and play almost all club games. Also the big advantage that almost everyone goes to college in Dublin, so it's easier to stick at the football so they can commit to the serious demands required for even training/playing for a Dublin division one club. 

In my club we've played 7 league games and 2 championship games this year and we've one lad on the U20 Dubs team and he's played 8 of the 9 games (not sure, but could well have been a knock rather than Dubs commitment why he missed the one game). Would that be happening in every county? Would certainly have been impossible for my club mate if he was in college in Cork or Galway as we've played 3 or 4 games on Wednesday evenings.

There has always been anti Dublin begrudgery. Enjoy these great years. They won't last forever.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on June 15, 2018, 08:59:34 AM
Leitrim will take over from them seeing as population figures don't matter ::)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2018, 09:02:41 AM
Sorry for dragging up an old thread but as a certain bookmaker has offered odds of 5/4 on Dublin winning the next 10 Leinsters and that looks a generous price this subject is likely to stay bubbling under the surface. However splitting Dublin 2 won't work as it will simply be Dublin North and South dominating instead.
My solution is to split it in 4 along the local councils route, Fingal, Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and the City. I would then set Dublin up as a separate province and revive the Railway cup so the Dublin brand would continue.
There would now be 5 provincial championships which should be run on models similar to the Hurling round robins. There would still be a good chance one of the 4 Dublin teams would win the AI most years but it would at least give the rest of the country some hope.

I like it  :D

+2

Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown would be the favourites for the AI
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 15, 2018, 09:04:13 AM
It's a good job it's Kerry and not Dublin that have won all those minor titles in a row!

I really can't understand how all the money we give to those young lads doesn't guarantee success??

In seriousness, it is interesting how the Dubs are usually in the top 3 or 4 at U21 level most years, but are very much in the pack at minor level (but contend occasionally of course).

It's nothing to do with the "system". While it happens, it's pretty rare that someone plays 3 years at U21 (or now U20), a few will play 2 years, but there's still almost always big correlation between the minor team of 3 years ago and the current year U21 team.

I think the highly competitive Dublin club scene plays a huge part in the development of these lads, as apart from the very odd lad who gets into the senior squad at 19, the players are all back to the clubs and play almost all club games. Also the big advantage that almost everyone goes to college in Dublin, so it's easier to stick at the football so they can commit to the serious demands required for even training/playing for a Dublin division one club. 

In my club we've played 7 league games and 2 championship games this year and we've one lad on the U20 Dubs team and he's played 8 of the 9 games (not sure, but could well have been a knock rather than Dubs commitment why he missed the one game). Would that be happening in every county? Would certainly have been impossible for my club mate if he was in college in Cork or Galway as we've played 3 or 4 games on Wednesday evenings.

Hound, parking arguements aside.

Could you pick a theoretical 4 teams so we could visual how strong each team would be?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: longballin on June 15, 2018, 09:23:17 AM
Leitrim will take over from them seeing as population figures don't matter ::)

Unlikely... same as Roscommon very poor footballers there  :-\
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: kerryforsam2018 on September 12, 2018, 11:22:48 AM
Why aren't people pushing for the Dublin county board to release their accounts? Shouldn't every counties accounts be open to the GAA public? I've seen a few things on twitter about the 2016 accounts for Dublin being available, the numbers look huge. Also I've seen loads of images on twitter about the effect that the finance available to Dublin GAA has had across the board. Not just with their senior footballers. I'll try to link images here if I can figure them out.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
 ;D Why is this freak copying my posts and pretending their his?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: priceyreilly on September 12, 2018, 06:32:46 PM
Has anyone had a read of this thread? It's hilarious! Here's a few quotes from the early pages, this was 5 years ago!

And how do you propose to split Kilkenny?

Why Split them, come back to me when they win 10 all-Irelands in 15yrs or something, winning 2 in 3 hardly counts, Kilkenny killing teams for yrs, nobody talks of splitting them!!

How many people living in Dublin aren't from Dublin? How much funding coming to counties is due to funding due to Dublin?

How much do the Kilkenny county board spend on the footballers?

This bullsh** starts up every time Dublin wins and it is really sad. There is no way there should be a spilt in Dublin. Let counties get up off their own asses and do the work that the clubs continue to do at underage club level.

time and again you claim Dublin got 7 million yet time and again you fail to provide evidence

Imagine Spain or Brazil being told they had to split their country for the World Cup because they were too good!! Ridiculous

Anti Dubs will always be just that.

If you don't like the smell of pig shit, and your sisters crack, then become a Dub, and enjoy the free life.

Get over it.

Jesus lads, its about getting off yer hole and putting it up to the Dubs. Kerry do it regular, Mayo did it recently but not Sunday, we handed them their asses a couple of times. Splitting Dublin is ludicrous. The real issue in the GAA is that hurling is on its ass, a few counties are there year in year out and no word of it.

This is vague unsubstatiated nonsense. The reason you don't have any detail is your making it up. 7 million of taxpayers money my hole!

Nobody knows anything about this 7m except you.

I know exactly how Dublin have made incremental improvements. And money was the least of them!

The only substantial improvement offered from the GAA was to increase the number of GPO's from 14 to 50 and half their salary is paid by the club itself!

So you haven't a rashers what's going on.

7 million  ;D. This is quality entertainment.

In the mid 90's Dublin went up to Tyrone and went down to Kilkenny. They looked at their development teams and brought the concept to Dublin.

That's the root cause of our success recently. Nothing to do with 7m mythology


Sorry do you or do you not admit that your original assertion of us getting 7m of taxpayer's money was untrue.

How do you know we received 3m of Govt money. Give me proof and I'll believe you . I promise!

Lads lets be serious here the Cluxtons, Flynns, Connolly, Brogans of this world are players who come along every 20 years. Dublin are having their purple patch. I'd be shocked if the players who replace these lads in 5-6 years are of their standard, despite the recent underage success.

Tyrone won 5 All Ireland minor titles (I think) in the 2000s and we've seen those players arent of the 97/98 standard.


The same excuses, the same deflection, the same abuse is now happening to those who call out this farce as back then. Only now I think more people have caught onto it. The Dubs used to deny the existence of any taxpayers money going into their underage system, the truth was there was more than was first thought.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: omaghjoe on September 12, 2018, 06:42:07 PM
My proposal would not be to split Dublin as such rather have them compete in the interpros... they are the 5th province afterall

IF they still wanted to compete in the inter county competition they could do so as a divisional sides.

Continuing with the same format for the SFC is just daft
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 12, 2018, 07:23:08 PM
No inter pros any more.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: omaghjoe on September 12, 2018, 10:16:40 PM
Could bring em back quite easily.

Its not right that the Dubs fans should have to loose their team.

What harm would it be to experiment with them in a new competition? It would at least give us an idea of where the Dubs are really at
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: GaaFanatic123 on September 13, 2018, 11:43:45 AM
This is horse shit, Dublin are better than the rest, deal with it!!
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Jinxy on September 13, 2018, 03:39:42 PM
I don't want Dublin to be split.
Yes, they have a massive population but without a significant increase in the number of clubs, their playing numbers at adult level will stay broadly similar.
It does mean that the adult first team squad of 30 in every club is drawn from a larger talent pool, but in absolute terms they don't have a massive advantage in playing numbers relative to other 'big' counties like Cork.
The natural advantages that Dublin has over other counties does not make them invincible.
The unnatural advantages however...
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: trailer on September 13, 2018, 04:31:18 PM
If people want Dublin split to make things fair why are they asking for a 3 or 4 way split? If 1.3million people live there to make it on par with Monaghan 60k, Dublin should in theory be split nearly 22 times?


Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: mayoman dan on September 13, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: MayoBuck on September 13, 2018, 06:14:53 PM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I think AI semi-finals need to be played in Croker due to capacity. It's the home league games that have to be moved somewhere else as well as Leinster championship games up to the final.

Is it not possible to bump Parnell Park up to 18 or 20k capacity?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on September 13, 2018, 06:20:47 PM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 13, 2018, 06:27:48 PM
Over twice the populaction of our Provincheen.
And we have socceryball and rubby here too.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: easytiger95 on September 13, 2018, 06:35:36 PM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: priceyreilly on September 13, 2018, 06:37:59 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.

No, this is Dublin's financial doping:


Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Farrandeelin on September 14, 2018, 12:08:43 PM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

Fair enough. I agree, but wait until Mayo's population dips below 100,000 and Dublin's tops 2,000,000 - have the GAA any plan for when that happens?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Aristo 60 on September 14, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
£66K in deposit interest means a fair few quid in the bank !
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
I don't want Dublin to be split.
Yes, they have a massive population but without a significant increase in the number of clubs, their playing numbers at adult level will stay broadly similar.
It does mean that the adult first team squad of 30 in every club is drawn from a larger talent pool, but in absolute terms they don't have a massive advantage in playing numbers relative to other 'big' counties like Cork.
The natural advantages that Dublin has over other counties does not make them invincible.
The unnatural advantages however...
Fair play Jinxy, you got to the crux of the problem.
The way the Dublin club system are structured is, paradoxically, the county's greatest strength and, at the same time, its greatest weakness. It depends on what you want.
I mean if you start off with about one third of the republic's population, shoehorned into one of the smallest counties in the
country and at the same time, easily the most populous and prosperous one and if the club system is underpinned by a relatively small number of very large clubs, you have the most efficient way of discovering the most talented players from whom the county team is selected.
In horse racing terms, if the horses from the Dublin stable were not mopping up everything in sight, there would be a stewards' enquiry.
Of course, this Dublin team is the most skilful and talented side since the GAA was founded - how could it be otherwise?
Only a small percentage of those who join any club at underage level will make it to the top to play senior football for their particular club.
From there, the county panel is chosen. Throw in the fact that a very efficient, organised talent spotting system will identify the creme de la creme at u20 level or sooner, and the coaching routine from there upwards is the best there is and there can be
only one possible outcome.
I'm not being anti-Dub in any way when I say this, facts are facts no matter how you look at them.
But all this comes at a considerable cost; the drop out rate is phenomenal; easily the highest of all counties north or south.
Some Dublin clubs have been identified as having more juveniles than a number of entire counties but only a small number will ever make it to the top- a matter of the survival of the fittest.
But are huge numbers of club players who will never get near selection for the county team but who would get starting places on many other intercounty teams. Addd in thhe fact that huge clubs are not the way to entice kids to played for them. They are too impersonal for youngsters at the time of life when peers are the most important influences in their lives.

I can't fully understand either why Dublin clubs need a huge injection of funds from anywhere including Central Council in order to survive.  That they can't is crystal clear but the fact that they depend on it for survival is equally obvious.
In common terms, if my piss pot springs a leak, should I carry on using it?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: armaghniac on September 14, 2018, 04:04:03 PM
As I said before.
Money absolutely should be spent in Dublin encouraging kids to take up gaelic games, although of course similar money should be spent in Kildare, Belfast, Derry, Cork etc. But that money must not be allowed create either super clubs or a super county which is on a different scale than the rest of the GAA.

The present Dublin monster should have twice the clubs and three or four times the number county teams.
People cannot just ignore the elephant in the room.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: omaghjoe on September 14, 2018, 04:12:32 PM
As I said before.
Money absolutely should be spent in Dublin encouraging kids to take up gaelic games, although of course similar money should be spent in Kildare, Belfast, Derry, Cork etc. But that money must not be allowed create either super clubs or a super county which is on a different scale than the rest of the GAA.

The present Dublin monster should have twice the clubs and three or four times the number county teams.
People cannot just ignore the elephant in the room.

Nail on head
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: priceyreilly on September 14, 2018, 05:41:07 PM
I agree with the above and at this stage we have to take it out of Dublin's hands. We can see with their media campaign, statements from former players, supporters etc that they have no intention of even admitting the reality of the situation even though it's clear for all of us to see.
The rest of us must stand together and put a stop to it. The current President from Dublin is a supporter of kicking the weaker counties into a losers competition. We can't let this happen. It would be the death knell for Gaelic Football in these counties. Previous B competitions have not worked and the interest in them would be zero. Players will not join up for the farce and the standards would drop in all those counties.

It would end up like hurling where you have a championship with only 9 or 10 competing seriously and the others can never catch up. There is an example in hurling however in which a solution can be found to the lack of competitive matches. One county was way behind the level of the top teams but now they compete at the top level, have won a provincial championship and a national league. That county is Dublin. They were at the same level as Laois, Antrim and even Westmeath beat them in 2006.
What happened? Millions of euro got pumped into Dublin GAA, paid coaches in huge numbers went to clubs, elite player pathways were created. They are now realistic All Ireland contenders and a Dublin club team has won the previous 2 All Ireland's. It's been a complete turnaround.

This is the template, this is how you make teams competitive. You fund them but you must fund them all. It has to be fair and equitable. This picking specific counties or the East Leinster plan is complete nonsense. And it's not just a case of throwing money at counties and letting them away with it. That would be foolish. In Dublin, highly paid officials were put in place to oversee the spending, to ensure it was being used wisely and standards were met. This would have to be repeated across the country. If targets and standards aren't being met then you get your funding cut.

Now, what happens in Dublin you ask? Obviously they must be split but everyone shouldn't look at this negatively, including the Dubs. The four way split will obviously make county teams of Fingal, Dún Laoghaire/Rathdown, South Dublin and Dublin City. They will all get a fair share of the Games Development fund, as will every other county. These smaller zones will make it easier to promote GAA in our capital. They can take on the challenges facing them head on. The fight against rugby, soccer and in the city centre it could mean great news in the fight against drugs.
Other benefits include a far higher number of players will get access to inter county games, at both underage and senior level. It will also create 4 new local rivalries which will make for very entertaining games and it will have 4 new entrants in the Provincial and All Ireland championships as well as the league of course. The benefits are massive so this should be embraced.

Whatever we do, we must ensure that every county enters our competitions on an equal footing. We're heading down the wrong road at present and we must alter course before it's too late.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2018, 06:04:37 PM
One question - when were there more than 9 or 10 teams seriously competing in the Hurling Championship?
3 Counties have won about 80% of them.
Wouldn't we love to have even 6 in the football! !
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: priceyreilly on September 14, 2018, 06:41:26 PM
One question - when were there more than 9 or 10 teams seriously competing in the Hurling Championship?
3 Counties have won about 80% of them.
Wouldn't we love to have even 6 in the football! !

I meant that 9 or 10 teams are competing in the A championship in hurling, the B championship have teams going up and down but never competing. That would be the same in football if the b championship is brought in. Whoever's in the a championship would push further and further ahead and that can't be reversed. Competing is different than contending.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Lar Naparka on September 14, 2018, 07:25:32 PM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.
I don't quite follow you here.I don't really want to spoil the fun and would prefer to let the pair of you at it. But, looking at the Wikipedia article you referenced, I find Dublin refereed to as a former county.
Furthermore, "Prior to 1994 County Dublin was also an administrative unit covering the whole county outside of Dublin City Council." By my reckoniing there was, in effect two local adminstration units before 1994.
Further on, this is part of what you'll find:
"The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016."
All counties were created to simplify the process of facilitating local administration and Dublin was no exception, beginning with those created by Kiing John after the Norman invasion with the western ones, "THe Composition of Connaught," in the late 1500s.
All that's heavy going but the fact is the division of Dublin County into three separate local administration units by the legal authority of the day, makes each of them a county. I mean they were created by the same process that created County Dublin in the first place.
(Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so.)
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 14, 2018, 10:37:48 PM
One question - when were there more than 9 or 10 teams seriously competing in the Hurling Championship?
3 Counties have won about 80% of them.
Wouldn't we love to have even 6 in the football! !

I meant that 9 or 10 teams are competing in the A championship in hurling, the B championship have teams going up and down but never competing. That would be the same in football if the b championship is brought in. Whoever's in the a championship would push further and further ahead and that can't be reversed. Competing is different than contending.
So you are a prophet?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 15, 2018, 03:19:47 PM
One question - when were there more than 9 or 10 teams seriously competing in the Hurling Championship?
3 Counties have won about 80% of them.
Wouldn't we love to have even 6 in the football! !

what sport has seriously more than 5/6 teams that can win the competition?

premier league? nope
world cup rugby? nope
world cup football?
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: easytiger95 on September 17, 2018, 12:50:55 AM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.
I don't quite follow you here.I don't really want to spoil the fun and would prefer to let the pair of you at it. But, looking at the Wikipedia article you referenced, I find Dublin refereed to as a former county.
Furthermore, "Prior to 1994 County Dublin was also an administrative unit covering the whole county outside of Dublin City Council." By my reckoniing there was, in effect two local adminstration units before 1994.
Further on, this is part of what you'll find:
"The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016."
All counties were created to simplify the process of facilitating local administration and Dublin was no exception, beginning with those created by Kiing John after the Norman invasion with the western ones, "THe Composition of Connaught," in the late 1500s.
All that's heavy going but the fact is the division of Dublin County into three separate local administration units by the legal authority of the day, makes each of them a county. I mean they were created by the same process that created County Dublin in the first place.
(Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so.)

Dublin County and Dublin County Football team existed before the creation of these administrative areas. So neither can be considered an amalgamation 4 counties and it is moronic and/or intellectually dishonest to say that they are.

Like I said, a lot of thicks on this thread
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on September 17, 2018, 01:20:12 AM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.
I don't quite follow you here.I don't really want to spoil the fun and would prefer to let the pair of you at it. But, looking at the Wikipedia article you referenced, I find Dublin refereed to as a former county.
Furthermore, "Prior to 1994 County Dublin was also an administrative unit covering the whole county outside of Dublin City Council." By my reckoniing there was, in effect two local adminstration units before 1994.
Further on, this is part of what you'll find:
"The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016."
All counties were created to simplify the process of facilitating local administration and Dublin was no exception, beginning with those created by Kiing John after the Norman invasion with the western ones, "THe Composition of Connaught," in the late 1500s.
All that's heavy going but the fact is the division of Dublin County into three separate local administration units by the legal authority of the day, makes each of them a county. I mean they were created by the same process that created County Dublin in the first place.
(Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so.)

Dublin County and Dublin County Football team existed before the creation of these administrative areas. So neither can be considered an amalgamation 4 counties and it is moronic and/or intellectually dishonest to say that they are.

Like I said, a lot of thicks on this thread

They aren't 'administrative areas'. They're counties. This game is inter-county. Getit? Good.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: CJ2017 on September 17, 2018, 02:26:54 AM
Could you say that Tipperary were two separate counties playing as one pre 2014?  ???
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: easytiger95 on September 17, 2018, 08:20:16 AM
Calls to split Dublin are bullshit and thats from a Mayo supporter.In all honesty who wants to beat Fingal or North Dublin??? Yes Dublin have too many advantages that need to be looked at but splitting Dublin shouldnt be the answer.Having to play their all ireland quarter and semi finals away from croker would be a start IMO.

I want to beat Fingal or South Dublin, y’know actual existing counties in an inter-county sport. That’s natural.

Not the rigged game that is fûcking rural counties like Roscommon or Mayo lining up to the take their next flaking from an amalgamation of four counties with a population greater than our province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Dublin

We're not an amalgamation, those "counties" were created as administrative areas. In the 90s. Not 1890s. 1990s.

Lot of thicks on the board about Dublin these days. Apparently, pointing that out means you are a financial doper, cheat, one-eyed etc.
I don't quite follow you here.I don't really want to spoil the fun and would prefer to let the pair of you at it. But, looking at the Wikipedia article you referenced, I find Dublin refereed to as a former county.
Furthermore, "Prior to 1994 County Dublin was also an administrative unit covering the whole county outside of Dublin City Council." By my reckoniing there was, in effect two local adminstration units before 1994.
Further on, this is part of what you'll find:
"The total population of the three aforementioned counties and Dublin city was 1,345,402 according to the census of 2016."
All counties were created to simplify the process of facilitating local administration and Dublin was no exception, beginning with those created by Kiing John after the Norman invasion with the western ones, "THe Composition of Connaught," in the late 1500s.
All that's heavy going but the fact is the division of Dublin County into three separate local administration units by the legal authority of the day, makes each of them a county. I mean they were created by the same process that created County Dublin in the first place.
(Maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so.)

Dublin County and Dublin County Football team existed before the creation of these administrative areas. So neither can be considered an amalgamation 4 counties and it is moronic and/or intellectually dishonest to say that they are.

Like I said, a lot of thicks on this thread

They aren't 'administrative areas'. They're counties. This game is inter-county. Getit? Good.
I get that you sre either thick as a plank, a liar, or a combination of both. Dublin is a single county and always has been. The number of local bodies that administrate it are irrelevant  and in no uinverse could Dublin said to be an amalgamation ( which is mixing or merging of pre existing elements to form a new whole) considering those areas were only created in 1994. But that doesn't suit your self pitying narrative.
Got it? Good.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 17, 2018, 11:23:03 AM
Never mind the technicalities -it's still 1.35 million playing against 30 to 150k .
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: easytiger95 on September 17, 2018, 11:36:50 AM
No. It's not.

But please don't let technicalities - like truth, reason or basic grammar - get in the way.

Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Syferus on September 17, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
A lot of words to say very little of note. And childish insults to boot.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: Rossfan on September 17, 2018, 12:07:28 PM
So it seems the 2016 Census is a lie now.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin
Post by: easytiger95 on September 17, 2018, 12:29:07 PM
It doesn't. Neither does the amount of registered club players per county.

Idiocy doesn't deserve to be coddled.

You'd both want to cop yourselves on.
Title: Re: Time to Split Dublin