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Title: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on June 27, 2011, 11:27:31 AM
It's that time of year again. Last week, we saw the Short Strand residents taking the abuse, this week, it's the turn of...





The LVF has issued death threats to the band, stating that the band members "will be shot" when they arrive to perform at a GAA fundraiser in Newtownbutler, County Fermanagh, on July 3rd if planned parades through the nationalist village are blocked.

Who will feel the wrath next week? This could be a another messy summer.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 27, 2011, 06:08:29 PM
Apparently the threat specifically mentions that the ballad group "will be shot if we can't march".

Nothing to do with OO of course, not a thing.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on June 27, 2011, 07:33:04 PM
Apparently the threat specifically mentions that the ballad group "will be shot if we can't march".

Nothing to do with OO of course, not a thing.
:D Yes completely unrelated!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on June 29, 2011, 05:21:54 PM
I had to look this up when I saw it mentioned on another thread.

Clampits. I didn't think the LVF extended outside mid-Ulster.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Harold Disgracey on June 29, 2011, 05:33:28 PM
We have the Wolfe Tones booked to play in the shadow of Drumcree Church at the end of August, should we stock up on bullet proof vests?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ExcellentDriver on June 29, 2011, 05:56:09 PM
LVF = Vindictive c**ts. The lowest of the low.

Of course the DUP buddied up to them, using Sinn Fein's buddying up to the 'Ra as self-justification. It makes me sick that the two most Sectarian Parties in NI are now 'Men of Peace'.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: dillinger on June 29, 2011, 11:29:40 PM
I would have thought the UVF would sort the Lvf out if they tried anything too heavy. Of course this is what the PIRA should be doing to the dissos. Im sure the British would not mind.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: haranguerer on June 30, 2011, 08:34:58 AM
I would have thought the UVF would sort the Lvf out if they tried anything too heavy.

 :D

What planet are you on?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on June 30, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
I would have thought the UVF would sort the Lvf out if they tried anything too heavy.

 :D

What planet are you on?

Orior's Handy Guide to the Six Counties:

A dissident DUP = TUV
A dissident Down Hurling team = South Down
A dissident BBC presenter = Jerome
A dissident DUP leader's wife = Iris

Any others?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on June 30, 2011, 11:31:16 AM
A dissident football manager: Paddy O'Rourke/Banty
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on June 30, 2011, 11:59:39 AM
A dissident shopper = "dissident what I wanted!".
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ExcellentDriver on June 30, 2011, 01:10:12 PM
A dissident shopper = "dissident what I wanted!".

Nice one! :)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on June 30, 2011, 09:26:07 PM
A shy dyslexic dissident = a diffident.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 05, 2011, 11:42:49 AM
It appears that Tonto and EG were right....it's not the orange order's fault...it's them fcukers @MTV!!!!!


The Orange Order has blamed what it calls the "MTV generation" for on-street drinking which community workers say fuelled trouble at a parade in east Belfast on Friday.

It came after the order and the police pledged a robust approach to those drinking near parades.
Order Grand Secretary Drew Nelson said action was needed.


"My analysis is that these young people, what they think is cool and socially acceptable  they don't take their lead from the Orange Order or the churches or the traditional organisations, but they take it from the media, they take it from people like MTV.

"What I think is quite damaging is the fact that the MTV awards are coming to Belfast and it has become public now that there is going to be an all-night bar licensed to sell alcohol right through to six o'clock the next morning.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14016168 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14016168)

/Jim.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 05, 2011, 12:15:27 PM
It appears that Tonto and EG were right....it's not the orange order's fault...it's them fcukers @MTV!!!!!


The Orange Order has blamed what it calls the "MTV generation" for on-street drinking which community workers say fuelled trouble at a parade in east Belfast on Friday.

It came after the order and the police pledged a robust approach to those drinking near parades.
Order Grand Secretary Drew Nelson said action was needed.


"My analysis is that these young people, what they think is cool and socially acceptable  they don't take their lead from the Orange Order or the churches or the traditional organisations, but they take it from the media, they take it from people like MTV.

"What I think is quite damaging is the fact that the MTV awards are coming to Belfast and it has become public now that there is going to be an all-night bar licensed to sell alcohol right through to six o'clock the next morning.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14016168 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14016168)

/Jim.

Who is this MTV fella? Sounds like a bad egg.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Denn Forever on July 05, 2011, 12:19:01 PM
Did they play or was in cancelled?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 05, 2011, 12:49:02 PM
It appears that Tonto and EG were right....it's not the orange order's fault...it's them fcukers @MTV!!!!!


The Orange Order has blamed what it calls the "MTV generation" for on-street drinking which community workers say fuelled trouble at a parade in east Belfast on Friday.

It came after the order and the police pledged a robust approach to those drinking near parades.
Order Grand Secretary Drew Nelson said action was needed.


"My analysis is that these young people, what they think is cool and socially acceptable  they don't take their lead from the Orange Order or the churches or the traditional organisations, but they take it from the media, they take it from people like MTV.

"What I think is quite damaging is the fact that the MTV awards are coming to Belfast and it has become public now that there is going to be an all-night bar licensed to sell alcohol right through to six o'clock the next morning.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14016168 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14016168)

/Jim.

Who is this MTV fella? Sounds like a bad egg.

LOL. Must be some kind of Traditional Volunteer.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 07, 2011, 09:31:54 PM
All that just to agree with me!  :D

Look, you'll forgive some if they draw little or no distinction between the  Newtownbutler Border Defenders flute band and some other Orange Front of Judea offshoot. If not technically of the OO, then they most certainly are of the spirit, and I doubt if we'd have to dig very deep to find cross membership!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lawnseed on July 07, 2011, 09:40:47 PM
LVF = Vindictive c**ts. The lowest of the low.

Of course the DUP buddied up to them, using Sinn Fein's buddying up to the 'Ra as self-justification. It makes me sick that the two most Sectarian Parties in NI are now 'Men of Peace'.
you'd rather "the two most sectarian parties" were still at war.. ::) BTW i think you'll find that the shinners don't give a toss what religion you are as long as you vote for them so your stretching it a bit labling them sectarian
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 07, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
EG, if the good ol' Border Defenders were only interested in having a wee fundraiser parade, would it not be a more successful fundraiser if they held it in a village where they were actually welcome? Or is it just maybe possible that there is a bit of triumphalist coat trailing somewhere deep down in the motivating factors?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 08, 2011, 11:02:08 AM
It appears that Tonto and EG were right....it's not the orange order's fault...it's them fcukers @MTV!!!!!
And where did I ever claim "it's is not the OO's fault"?

When I eg posted on the 'Kingsmills' thread:
"I freely accept that the OO has members, even whole Lodges, in parts of NI whose behaviour is an utter disgrace. And just as bad is the inability or unwillingness of the leadership to root these ones out. Consequently, I believe that the OO is a severely discredited organisation, which needs major reform if it is to take its place properly and acceptably in normal society."

Like a lot of posters on this thread, you might be better advised to read what I actually write, rather than seeing in my posts what it suits you to see... ::)

Lord Jaysus wept, the post was meant tongue in cheek no need to get in a strop.

Still, I suppose I'll be accused by Jim Murphy  of being some sort of spokesman for the OO, for pointing out mere facts... ::)

As above, out the wrong side of the bed or something?

/Jim.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Evil Genius on July 08, 2011, 06:21:51 PM
All that just to agree with me!  :D

Look, you'll forgive some if they draw little or no distinction between the  Newtownbutler Border Defenders flute band and some other Orange Front of Judea offshoot. If not technically of the OO, then they most certainly are of the spirit, and I doubt if we'd have to dig very deep to find cross membership!
Bulls hit!

In your rush to apportion blame (1st reply and all that), you posted the following:

"Apparently the threat specifically mentions that the ballad group 'will be shot if we can't march'. Nothing to do with OO of course, not a thing."

Except that it wasn't an LVF threat, nor was the parade an OO event.

In other words, your point depended on two simple facts, both of which were wrong.

Congratulations.

P.S. If you're looking for a further reply, I'll be over on the Ian McCrea thread, lambasting the GAA for torching his car, since I've decided to follow your "Themmuns is all the same" rationale, in casting wild accusations on topics I know sod-all about...  ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Evil Genius on July 08, 2011, 06:48:41 PM
EG, if the good ol' Border Defenders were only interested in having a wee fundraiser parade, would it not be a more successful fundraiser if they held it in a village where they were actually welcome? Or is it just maybe possible that there is a bit of triumphalist coat trailing somewhere deep down in the motivating factors?
Why do you think the Band isn't welcome?

Perhaps because Newtownbutler is 90% RC, with at least some of that 90% very sympathetic to bigoted Republican terrorists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C62xirX8__g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C62xirX8__g)

And why do you think NTB is 90% RC, when the Protestant population was formerly rather higher? Might it be something to do with the following?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles_in_Newtownbutler

Now ask yourself why this Band has "Newtownbutler" in its title. Might it be because it is made up both of people from the area and also of people who used to live in and around Newtownbutler, but who were forced out by the self-same "patriots" who are commemorated in the (illegal) monument featured in the video clip?

Now I have no time for many of the Bands who parade provocatively up and down the streets of NI, whose musical ability is in inverse proportion to their ability to stir up trouble etc.

But the reason why bands like the NTB Border Defenders are so important to their members, is often because it is a rare remaining link with the place they used to call "Home". Therefore it is important to them to demonstrate (literally) that places like that ought to be just as much "theirs", as belonging to people who forced them out in the first place.

In fact, the existence of bands like that are a direct consequence of a deliberate Republican policy of "Balkanisation" in NI, carried out by both the IRA and by SF (in so far as they are two separate entities), during a prolonged campaign of murder and intimidation. And considering that such people willingly drove out their Protestant neighbours in the first place, we should not be surprised that as "Concerned Residents" [sic], they are just as keen to keep them out on the annual occasion when they (Protestants) seek to return.

All of which leads to the irony that the band is actually more "welcome" in the Irish Republic, than it is in its own village... ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XLDdjFWOT8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XLDdjFWOT8)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 08, 2011, 07:42:22 PM
Firstly, you didn't answer my question, and secondly, you just reminded me again of how pointless it is getting into a discussion with you at all, given that you insist on making the fanciful claim thag the IRA were into some sort of Protestant ethnic cleansing campaign. Must be just a bizzare coincidence that most of these Protestants were in the "security" forces I guess.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Oraisteach on July 08, 2011, 07:48:38 PM
EG, again I hate to be perceived as a defender of callous murderers, but I’m also irked (yes, that word that you loathe) by your persistent genocide theory, that Protestants were systematically exterminated by virtue of their religion.  In particular, the Wiki article that you mention lists 13 people killed in and around NTB.  Of that 13, only one was a Protestant civilian (3 were Catholic).  Of the rest, 1 was a Provo informer, 1 a Garda, and 7 were members of the security forces, suggesting that whether or not you think it justified, the IRA was involved in a war, not ethnic cleansing.

As for the welcome in the South, in the other video, the NTB Border Defenders were at the annual July 12th OO parade in Rosnowlagh, not simply putting on a concert of Sousa marches at the bandstand in Warrenpoint.  I don’t know if individual NTB  BD members belong to the OO in fact, but they surely do in spirit, and will no doubt revel in the triumphalism of the season. 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 10, 2011, 01:10:29 AM
EG, if the good ol' Border Defenders were only interested in having a wee fundraiser parade, would it not be a more successful fundraiser if they held it in a village where they were actually welcome? Or is it just maybe possible that there is a bit of triumphalist coat trailing somewhere deep down in the motivating factors?
Why do you think the Band isn't welcome?

Perhaps because Newtownbutler is 90% RC, with at least some of that 90% very sympathetic to bigoted Republican terrorists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C62xirX8__g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C62xirX8__g)

And why do you think NTB is 90% RC, when the Protestant population was formerly rather higher? Might it be something to do with the following?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles_in_Newtownbutler

Now ask yourself why this Band has "Newtownbutler" in its title. Might it be because it is made up both of people from the area and also of people who used to live in and around Newtownbutler, but who were forced out by the self-same "patriots" who are commemorated in the (illegal) monument featured in the video clip?

Now I have no time for many of the Bands who parade provocatively up and down the streets of NI, whose musical ability is in inverse proportion to their ability to stir up trouble etc.

But the reason why bands like the NTB Border Defenders are so important to their members, is often because it is a rare remaining link with the place they used to call "Home". Therefore it is important to them to demonstrate (literally) that places like that ought to be just as much "theirs", as belonging to people who forced them out in the first place.

In fact, the existence of bands like that are a direct consequence of a deliberate Republican policy of "Balkanisation" in NI, carried out by both the IRA and by SF (in so far as they are two separate entities), during a prolonged campaign of murder and intimidation. And considering that such people willingly drove out their Protestant neighbours in the first place, we should not be surprised that as "Concerned Residents" [sic], they are just as keen to keep them out on the annual occasion when they (Protestants) seek to return.

All of which leads to the irony that the band is actually more "welcome" in the Irish Republic, than it is in its own village... ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XLDdjFWOT8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XLDdjFWOT8)
Bullshit is right EG, no coat trailing band should parade where it isn't welcome, perhaps the reason the population used to be reversed in composition had some thing to do with the housing allocation that pertained under Unionist rule.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Forever Green on July 10, 2011, 02:37:09 PM
Bunch of inbred of cnuts. Hope they all fall into their precious bonfires >:(

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14096799 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14096799)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14097738 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14097738)

But sure it has nothing to do with marching season.

Pretty safe to say this was them as well

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14097824 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14097824)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 11, 2011, 11:01:56 AM
Except that it wasn't an LVF threat, nor was the parade an OO event.

In other words, your point depended on two simple facts, both of which were wrong.

Congratulations.

1. I didn't mention the LVF, you did.

2. If the OO weren't as predisposed to marching through areas where they are not welcome, we wouldn't have their menacing and nasty little emulators in places like Newtownbutler. So it may have little or nothing to do with the OO directly, but it has everything to do with the OO indirectly; all part of the Orange 'tradition'.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2011, 11:16:09 AM
oh good jaysus- the aparthid state and genocidal tendencies was actually the taigs/nationalists/IRA etc now (as opposed to the establishment status quo and their hate filled oppressors and death dealers as in the crown forces/security forces/army/unionist and loyalist paramilitary squads)!!
what fantastic revisionism.
 ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 11, 2011, 11:50:10 AM
oh good jaysus- the aparthid state and genocidal tendencies was actually the taigs/nationalists/IRA etc now (as opposed to the establishment status quo and their hate filled oppressors and death dealers as in the crown forces/security forces/army/unionist and loyalist paramilitary squads)!!
what fantastic revisionism.
 ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on July 11, 2011, 12:14:13 PM
oh good jaysus- the aparthid state and genocidal tendencies was actually the taigs/nationalists/IRA etc now (as opposed to the establishment status quo and their hate filled oppressors and death dealers as in the crown forces/security forces/army/unionist and loyalist paramilitary squads)!!
what fantastic revisionism.
 ::)

Lynchbhoy, have you not accepted that the problems here in the north all stem from pesky fenians not knowing their place and complaining too much. The utopia that was "Ulster" (sic) pre 1969 was a land of milk and honey, tranquility and fairness, if we could only return to those times things would be so much better.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 11, 2011, 12:32:55 PM
oh good jaysus- the aparthid state and genocidal tendencies was actually the taigs/nationalists/IRA etc now (as opposed to the establishment status quo and their hate filled oppressors and death dealers as in the crown forces/security forces/army/unionist and loyalist paramilitary squads)!!
what fantastic revisionism.
 ::)

Lynchbhoy, have you not accepted that the problems here in the north all stem from pesky fenians not knowing their place and complaining too much. The utopia that was "Ulster" (sic) pre 1969 was a land of milk and honey, tranquility and fairness, if we could only return to those times things would be so much better.
....many a true word spoken in jest and all that....
a lot of the unionist/loyalist people just dont want to accept and move on...
they'd much rather resume the campaign to beat the taigs out of the six counties again...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: HiMucker on July 11, 2011, 12:48:18 PM
oh good jaysus- the aparthid state and genocidal tendencies was actually the taigs/nationalists/IRA etc now (as opposed to the establishment status quo and their hate filled oppressors and death dealers as in the crown forces/security forces/army/unionist and loyalist paramilitary squads)!!
what fantastic revisionism.
 ::)
I have no idea what leo's requote of LBs post is suppose to mean?  Can someone enlighten me
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: fitzroyalty on July 11, 2011, 01:09:46 PM
Think he is hinting at revisionism on LB's part.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: cuconnacht on July 11, 2011, 01:40:40 PM
A dissident football manager: Paddy O'Rourke/Banty
;D :D

ditto
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: cuconnacht on July 11, 2011, 02:06:38 PM
Apparently the threat specifically mentions that the ballad group "will be shot if we can't march".

Nothing to do with OO of course, not a thing.
:D Yes completely unrelated!
careful now,havent they still got a hit out on chuck berry from the early seventies ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Archie Mitchell on July 11, 2011, 08:28:58 PM
I wonder how many fines there will be for on-street drinking tonight and tomorrow in Belfast? Had to drive through Lisburn Road area last year and if the cops were doing their job they would have cleaned up.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 12, 2011, 10:44:53 AM
I wonder how many fines there will be for on-street drinking tonight and tomorrow in Belfast? Had to drive through Lisburn Road area last year and if the cops were doing their job they would have cleaned up.
Zero...this would be yet another attack on Orange culture. And would require Wee Wullie to go and get yet another apology.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ONeill on July 12, 2011, 10:53:23 AM
I wonder how many fines there will be for on-street drinking tonight and tomorrow in Belfast? Had to drive through Lisburn Road area last year and if the cops were doing their job they would have cleaned up.

Would it not be the same on St Patrick's Day around the Holylands and in the city centre?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 12, 2011, 11:02:15 AM
I wonder how many fines there will be for on-street drinking tonight and tomorrow in Belfast? Had to drive through Lisburn Road area last year and if the cops were doing their job they would have cleaned up.

Would it not be the same on St Patrick's Day around the Holylands and in the city centre?
Screw you and your even-handed approach. You have no place in this thread.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tubberman on July 12, 2011, 11:08:33 AM
I suppose these were Loyalists masquerading as Nationalists:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0712/12july.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0712/12july.html)

Twenty-two police officers are being treated for injuries following serious overnight rioting in west Belfast.

Four PSNI officers remain in hospital.

Crowds of up to 200 nationalists threw over 40 petrol bombs and masonry at officers in riot gear.

51 plastic baton rounds were fired in the Broadway and Oldpark areas of the city when police lines came under attack.

A water cannon was deployed during the disturbances at Broadway.

Police are investigating reports that gunshots were fired in the area.

The trouble flared during loyalist celebrations to mark the height of the marching season.

The emergency services in Northern Ireland received a total of 180 fire calls over a seven-hour period up until 1am, representing a 65% increase over the same period last year.

At the peak of activity, they were processing one call every 75 seconds with the majority of these from within the greater Belfast area.

Fire crews from the Springfield Fire Station also came under attack in west Belfast from stone throwing youths but escaped injury.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: The Gs Man on July 12, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L712IRIv9Do

Bout 28 seconds in.  Typical United supporters.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tubberman on July 12, 2011, 11:56:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L712IRIv9Do

Bout 28 seconds in.  Typical United supporters.

"Ronan Kerr, you're having a laugh"

It doesn't even make any sense, but I presume it was meant in a disrespectful or taunting way.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: The Gs Man on July 12, 2011, 12:22:02 PM
Slightly before that ridiculous chant there's someone shouting "Come on United".  Wtf?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Aerlik on July 12, 2011, 03:45:23 PM

I must say, when I heard that this threat purported to come from the LVF, I was highly surprised. For there has never been an LVF in Fermanagh (nor UVF/UDA for that matter), as evidenced by that fact whilst the total number of murders in Fermanagh during the Troubles ran into three figures, a bare handful of these were attributed to "Loyalist" [sic] paramilitaries.

No, their "legitimate" facade did the deeds.  And one wonders just how much Ken Mcguinness knew.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: DoireGael on July 12, 2011, 04:05:14 PM
I wonder how many fines there will be for on-street drinking tonight and tomorrow in Belfast? Had to drive through Lisburn Road area last year and if the cops were doing their job they would have cleaned up.

Would it not be the same on St Patrick's Day around the Holylands and in the city centre?

The council were handing out 'on the spot' fines on St Patricks day in the holylands i can confirm that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10703108

I have a feeling this number went up exponentially in 2011. I saw at least 4 people get fines in less than 15 minutes on Cairo St. (Damn Students, sure what country needs them...................)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Archie Mitchell on July 12, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/communitysafety/alcoholbyelaws.asp (http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/communitysafety/alcoholbyelaws.asp)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 12, 2011, 05:17:37 PM
Loads from the north knocking around Salthill today. The ice cream men are making a fortune anyway.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: gerry on July 12, 2011, 08:28:29 PM
i see the fun is kicking of tonight again
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: SHEEDY on July 12, 2011, 09:11:06 PM
i see the fun is kicking of tonight again
and for the next few nights
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Minder on July 12, 2011, 09:17:58 PM
There is some f**king scum, on both sides it has to be said.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Archie Mitchell on July 12, 2011, 09:38:24 PM
Seen alot of scum on the Lisburn road this evening. Place was a mess too but sure it's "their day" and their above the law.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: gerry on July 12, 2011, 09:45:09 PM
There is some f**king scum, on both sides it has to be said.

agree, fecking losers the lot of them
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: maddog on July 12, 2011, 09:57:58 PM
In all seriousness, is there a similar parallel to be drawn elsewhere in the world than the orangefest. It is truly embarrassing.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: gerry on July 12, 2011, 09:59:43 PM
i see i starting in derry now as well
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Forever Green on July 12, 2011, 10:37:40 PM
Think one of the big water cannons have been set alight and they are now rioting in Armagh as as well
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 12, 2011, 10:39:51 PM
There is some f**king scum, on both sides it has to be said.

Never a truer word typed.
Title: Marching season
Post by: screenmachine on July 12, 2011, 10:53:26 PM
I'm sure if the KKK paraded through Alabama or Mississippi once a year we could draw a parallel to it. I actually dandered past a few parades today and they don't bother me at all.  It's the clientele that follow them pissing around every corner, dropping rubbish everywhere including peoples gardens and over their hedges.  Not to sound stereotypical but I would be surprised if 90% of the marchers could tell you any history of what they are marching for or if they attend any sort of religious gathering during the year.  They simply look like scumbags who want to scream I'm a Prod and put flags in peoples faces and generally act the maggots where they aren't really wanted but sure its a great tourist attraction in its own right...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: fitzroyalty on July 12, 2011, 10:57:33 PM
Lowlife scum the lot of them. Spides. "Its ourrrr culture." f**k off. No better or worse than the lowlife w**kers burning cars in Craigavon/Lurgan.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Forever Green on July 12, 2011, 11:04:22 PM
I wouldn't like to see the reaction from the Loyalists when getting told that King Billy`s greatest ally was the Pope.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 12, 2011, 11:15:43 PM
f**king orange b**tards.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rois on July 12, 2011, 11:20:23 PM
I watched the coverage there on both BBC and UTV.  This is going to be the most basic, stupid, idiotic thing I've ever said on this board, but dear God there are NO good looking orangemen.  I actually hunted for one in the coverage.  None.  Zero.  A relatively high proportion of them have facial hair.  Is that a protestant thing, having a moustache?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Puckoon on July 12, 2011, 11:28:10 PM
I watched the coverage there on both BBC and UTV.  This is going to be the most basic, stupid, idiotic thing I've ever said on this board, but dear God there are NO good looking orangemen.  I actually hunted for one in the coverage.  None.  Zero.  A relatively high proportion of them have facial hair.  Is that a protestant thing, having a moustache?

Nope - this one is...

"I like manbags too!  I think you should be proud of it Dinny.  Very classy if you have the right one."   :) 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rois on July 12, 2011, 11:31:09 PM
You've been saving that up, you wee sh*t
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 12, 2011, 11:34:31 PM
I watched the coverage there on both BBC and UTV.  This is going to be the most basic, stupid, idiotic thing I've ever said on this board, but dear God there are NO good looking orangemen.  I actually hunted for one in the coverage.  None.  Zero.  A relatively high proportion of them have facial hair.  Is that a protestant thing, having a moustache?

Nope - this one is...

"I like manbags too!  I think you should be proud of it Dinny.  Very classy if you have the right one."   :)
:D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: tyrone86 on July 12, 2011, 11:35:44 PM
I watched the coverage there on both BBC and UTV.  This is going to be the most basic, stupid, idiotic thing I've ever said on this board, but dear God there are NO good looking orangemen.  I actually hunted for one in the coverage.  None.  Zero.  A relatively high proportion of them have facial hair.  Is that a protestant thing, having a moustache?

Reminds me of the auld favourite,

How did you know that ET was a protestant? Because he was ugly.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: trileacman on July 12, 2011, 11:46:10 PM
The height of tonight's rioting seems to be originating from mainly nationalist areas as opposed to the previous rioting from the loyalist side. Bit of one-up-manship perhaps?  ;)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 12, 2011, 11:49:16 PM
The height of tonight's rioting seems to be originating from mainly nationalist areas as opposed to the previous rioting from the loyalist side. Bit of one-up-manship perhaps?  ;)

They're just as idiotic.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
The height of tonight's rioting seems to be originating from mainly nationalist areas as opposed to the previous rioting from the loyalist side. Bit of one-up-manship perhaps?  ;)
It's called recreational rioting. No Orangemen in sight but plenty of pissed up teenagers. There was a "street party" in Umgola in Armagh today so I'd say that was the source of any trouble. Just back from the cinema and Armagh was quiet.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: dillinger on July 13, 2011, 12:55:15 AM
I wouldn't like to see the reaction from the Loyalists when getting told that King Billy`s greatest ally was the Pope.

Apart from a few 12 year olds, they know that. ???
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 13, 2011, 01:41:55 AM
oh good jaysus- the aparthid state and genocidal tendencies was actually the taigs/nationalists/IRA etc now (as opposed to the establishment status quo and their hate filled oppressors and death dealers as in the crown forces/security forces/army/unionist and loyalist paramilitary squads)!!
what fantastic revisionism.
 ::)

Lynchbhoy, have you not accepted that the problems here in the north all stem from pesky fenians not knowing their place and complaining too much. The utopia that was "Ulster" (sic) pre 1969 was a land of milk and honey, tranquility and fairness, if we could only return to those times things would be so much better.
....many a true word spoken in jest and all that....
a lot of the unionist/loyalist people just dont want to accept and move on...
they'd much rather resume the campaign to beat the taigs out of the six counties again...
I would agree. Just read Evil Genius posts, and more tellingly his failure to respond to posts that challenge his position.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 13, 2011, 01:44:38 AM
I suppose these were Loyalists masquerading as Nationalists:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0712/12july.html (http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0712/12july.html)

Twenty-two police officers are being treated for injuries following serious overnight rioting in west Belfast.

Four PSNI officers remain in hospital.

Crowds of up to 200 nationalists threw over 40 petrol bombs and masonry at officers in riot gear.

51 plastic baton rounds were fired in the Broadway and Oldpark areas of the city when police lines came under attack.

A water cannon was deployed during the disturbances at Broadway.

Police are investigating reports that gunshots were fired in the area.

The trouble flared during loyalist celebrations to mark the height of the marching season.

The emergency services in Northern Ireland received a total of 180 fire calls over a seven-hour period up until 1am, representing a 65% increase over the same period last year.

At the peak of activity, they were processing one call every 75 seconds with the majority of these from within the greater Belfast area.

Fire crews from the Springfield Fire Station also came under attack in west Belfast from stone throwing youths but escaped injury.
Not to be justified, but compare PSNI response with the apology given to the rioting loyalists of Ballyclare and Carrick, where were the baton rounds and water cannons there?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 13, 2011, 12:44:02 PM
BNP's Nick Griffin has been in Twitter this morning.

Violent Republican reaction to peaceful loyalist cultural traditions is sign that it's not only Islam and globalism that threaten British identity. Fenian Marxism still does too.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ludermor on July 13, 2011, 01:08:23 PM
BNP's Nick Griffin has been in Twitter this morning.

Violent Republican reaction to peaceful loyalist cultural traditions is sign that it's not only Islam and globalism that threaten British identity. Fenian Marxism still does too.
where is twitter?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Harold Disgracey on July 15, 2011, 11:09:23 PM
It would appear to be kicking off big time in Portadown tonight. UVF show of strength at the Tunnel, reports of a policeman shot
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LostInSpace on July 15, 2011, 11:29:07 PM
It would appear to be kicking off big time in Portadown tonight. UVF show of strength at the Tunnel, reports of a policeman shot

This country is a joke!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 16, 2011, 12:05:53 AM
According to Eamonn Mallie, it's not as bad as people are making out. High tensions, but no violence.

However the PSNI are report petrol bombs, bricks and fireworks are being fired at them by crowds of up to 100.

Hard to know who to believe.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on June 25, 2013, 11:11:42 PM
These usual unionist sources seem totally oblivious however, to the mass law breaking of the loyalist bands on the day. Their silence on that one is deafening. As always, unionist demands of respect for law and order apply only to the croppies.
Whataboutery.

This thread is about the Kelly/Landrover spat.

I suspect there may be other threads which deal with Policing and Parades etc.
And if there were, I'm sure you would be all over such threads, busily condemning the behaviour of the bands for breaking the law in full view of the police yet again at the weekend.....Some chance!

Here's that thread you were looking for EG. I looked it up again to see this unionist condemnation of the bands behaviour at the weekend but it seems I was right the first time, the silence is deafening.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Count 10 on June 26, 2013, 08:57:37 AM
"Our culture, our culture"....more culture in a yogurt! ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: HiMucker on June 26, 2013, 09:05:35 AM
But that's good bacteria!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on June 27, 2013, 01:14:54 PM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68413000/jpg/_68413523_photo2.jpg (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68413000/jpg/_68413523_photo2.jpg)

where do these b**tards get the pallets from. When i was building the house I was been charged 10 quid for every cement pallet. Could do with a few for the ole turf.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on June 27, 2013, 01:28:36 PM
They steal them. They threaten to burn companies to the ground if they don't hand them over. They threaten to shoot security guards if they don't let them in to get them.

Easy enough really.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on June 27, 2013, 01:34:43 PM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68413000/jpg/_68413523_photo2.jpg (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68413000/jpg/_68413523_photo2.jpg)

where do these b**tards get the pallets from. When i was building the house I was been charged 10 quid for every cement pallet. Could do with a few for the ole turf.

Considering the lowlifes involved, I'd say a large percentage of them are stolen.

William disagrees though. https://www.facebook.com/SaveOurUnionFlagBelfastCityHall/posts/156539694523373 (https://www.facebook.com/SaveOurUnionFlagBelfastCityHall/posts/156539694523373)

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: No Soloing on June 27, 2013, 02:41:32 PM
They must have stole every pallet in the north
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/towering-twelfth-bonfire-in-ballyduff-estate-to-be-dismantled-and-downsized-over-safety-fears-29375299.html

30 photos (though some arent from 2013) - kids climbing up the side of bonfires, kids standing on top of them. kids lighting them, building them beside houses. Its amazing kids arent killed every year.

This one is apparently is in Glasgow
https://twitter.com/LADFLEG/status/350019562143612928/photo/1


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: deiseach on June 27, 2013, 02:51:05 PM
This one is apparently is in Glasgow
https://twitter.com/LADFLEG/status/350019562143612928/photo/1

:o
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Oraisteach on June 27, 2013, 03:24:31 PM
The one in Ballydauff is called "The Beast." What's the one in Glasgow called--Viagra?  Remember, if it stays up for more than four hours, consult a doctor.  Doctor Paisley is eminently qualified to consult about big dix.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on June 27, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
This one is apparently is in Glasgow
https://twitter.com/LADFLEG/status/350019562143612928/photo/1

:o

Obviously grammarphobia trancends the Ulster-Scots divide. There gramar is grate so it is.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 27, 2013, 08:21:53 PM
This one is apparently is in Glasgow
https://twitter.com/LADFLEG/status/350019562143612928/photo/1

:o

Obviously grammarphobia trancends the Ulster-Scots divide. There gramar is grate so it is.
LADFleg is a spoof account. So it is.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lawnseed on June 29, 2013, 03:12:23 PM
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68413000/jpg/_68413523_photo2.jpg (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68413000/jpg/_68413523_photo2.jpg)

where do these b**tards get the pallets from. When i was building the house I was been charged 10 quid for every cement pallet. Could do with a few for the ole turf.
the blue gkn pallets are about 25 quid. GKN are a huge packaging hire company you have to have an account with them to send goods or receive goods on their pallets. when accounts holders dispatch goods on gkn pallets there are dockets for the goods and pallets separately. when gkn carry out audits they expect to find their pallets on your premises to match the paperwork you have signed. otherwise its big money.. gkn reserve the right to go onto any premises/property and retrieve their property at any time i.e if you have a few blue pallets laying around and no account gkn can just take them.. many big companies in the uk who don't have gkn accounts refuse to take goods on blue pallets such is the ferocity of gkn in retrieving their pallets. clearly a decision has been taken by the company to just let an amount of their property be burned for orange entertainment..
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 09, 2013, 10:02:29 PM
Shit is going to hit the fan!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23250221 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23250221)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 09, 2013, 10:45:03 PM
Only in Norn Iron would they build a bonfire under some power lines, then the electricity company decided to come out and take down said  power lines leaving homes without power for the best part of a day, obviously they will reinstall the power lines after the fire is out.
Moving the fire hasn't yet crossed anyones mind it seems.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23223564
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 09, 2013, 11:38:59 PM
Only in Norn Iron would they build a bonfire under some power lines, then the electricity company decided to come out and take down said  power lines leaving homes without power for the best part of a day, obviously they will reinstall the power lines after the fire is out.
Moving the fire hasn't yet crossed anyones mind it seems.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23223564
If the Housing Executive shifted the bonfire, Nelson would accuse it of sectarianism and tell the organisation to put it back.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 09, 2013, 11:49:50 PM
Only in Norn Iron would they build a bonfire under some power lines, then the electricity company decided to come out and take down said  power lines leaving homes without power for the best part of a day, obviously they will reinstall the power lines after the fire is out.
Moving the fire hasn't yet crossed anyones mind it seems.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23223564

All good as it drives the decent local people further from the scum that build these. All a means to an end.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 10, 2013, 12:30:27 AM
Is it just me, or is there alot more flags (larger ones too), bunting etc up this year than last year? Some folk feeling a little insecure, maybe?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 10, 2013, 08:56:30 AM
Is it just me, or is there alot more flags (larger ones too), bunting etc up this year than last year? Some folk feeling a little insecure, maybe?

Without a doubt a lot more flags up and bigger ones in a lot of areas but I also think there are fewer flags flying form peoples homes than in previous years.Think the flag protesters and the UDA,UVF are sticking flags on everything that stands still for 5 mins.
 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 10, 2013, 10:18:44 AM
Is it just me, or is there alot more flags (larger ones too), bunting etc up this year than last year? Some folk feeling a little insecure, maybe?

Without a doubt a lot more flags up and bigger ones in a lot of areas but I also think there are fewer flags flying form peoples homes than in previous years.Think the flag protesters and the UDA,UVF are sticking flags on everything that stands still for 5 mins.

Have to say I am really enjoying the Northern Ireland soccer flags being hung along side the OO and UVF flags all over the place too. Up to our knees and all that  ;)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 10, 2013, 10:31:55 AM
A small detail but the glorious weather is bound to increase the chances of riots. There'll be a lot more drink taken and scumbags out who wouldn't bother their holes if the ground was wet. A perfect storm brewing. By the way the drink/scumbags points refer to both sides of the community.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 10, 2013, 05:57:16 PM
The swell has started to rise:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23263196

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23262398

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23262398
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 10, 2013, 07:17:00 PM
Apparently Met Eireann are going to issue an "Orange alert" for Friday and the weekend.
Something to do with the weather  :P
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 10, 2013, 08:34:15 PM
Andersonstown News tweet this evening:
"Statue of Virgin Mary goes up on Lanark Way bonfire. In an added outrage, the face has been hacked off. Story and pics in shops shortly"


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Oraisteach on July 10, 2013, 08:35:10 PM
Good point, omagh-gael, but I wouldn't be so quick to lay the blame for violence at the feet of alcohol.

I blame ice-cream.  Once ice-cream sales soar, so does violence.  Watch out for those 99s with their in-built chocolate shivs and beware the razor-sharp edges on those wafers (do they still sell wafers?).
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Oraisteach on July 10, 2013, 08:42:58 PM
Any pictures, Nally?

And how many pallets do they go through on 11th night?

Here's footage of the Lanark Way bonfire being built: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAp13txT1N8

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 10, 2013, 08:48:12 PM
Just being curious, but is there any specific significant to the 11th Night's Bomb Fire?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 10, 2013, 09:14:36 PM
Any pictures, Nally?

A twitter search throws this up...
https://twitter.com/PaddyBrennan7/status/354997587734036480/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/PaddyBrennan7/status/354997587734036480/photo/1)

Sub-human scum.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on July 10, 2013, 09:15:11 PM
An awful amount of Scottish flegs up. Must be the anti Alex Salmondites campaigning early.

Or maybe they support the Yes campaign. Hard to know if they're British or Scottish this time of year.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 10, 2013, 09:28:21 PM
Ross Kemp is coming to Belfast for the 12th, for the latest episode of his series 'Extreme World'. (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/twelfth/ross-kemp-to-join-belfast-twelfth-of-july-parade-for-new-series-of-extreme-world-29411188.html)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 10, 2013, 09:29:38 PM
Was talking to one of the cleaners in my office today. She never misses a Twelfth parade and hates St Patricks Day. She didnt realise I was a taig.

Turns out that one of the most important and prestigious jobs on the eleventh night is lighting the bonfire. And one the cleaning lady's colleagues is a bonfire lighter. Pillar of society, eh?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 10, 2013, 09:50:51 PM
Ross Kemp is coming to Belfast for the 12th, for the latest episode of his series 'Extreme World'. (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/twelfth/ross-kemp-to-join-belfast-twelfth-of-july-parade-for-new-series-of-extreme-world-29411188.html)
He is here already. Saw him pop up in some Poly graduation photos during the week.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 11, 2013, 12:06:18 PM
https://www.facebook.com/pages/11th-july-Bonefires

Biggest waste of pallets i ever seen, this has to be costing sometime money, there is no way companies get rid of all these pallets, especially the blue ones,
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: thejuice on July 11, 2013, 02:39:32 PM
From building the Titanic to building these monsters.

What does that tell us about Unionist culture over the last 100 years?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 11, 2013, 02:44:32 PM
From building the Titanic to building these monsters.

What does that tell us about Unionist culture over the last 100 years?

Both unsinkable??
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: dillinger on July 11, 2013, 02:47:06 PM
From building the Titanic to building these monsters.

What does that tell us about Unionist culture over the last 100 years?

I heard it was a Republican ice-berg. ;)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on July 11, 2013, 05:44:24 PM
From building the Titanic to building these monsters.

What does that tell us about Unionist culture over the last 100 years?

I heard it was a Republican ice-berg. ;)


And it was on an unapproved route.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 11, 2013, 06:21:19 PM
OO now calling for protests because of the Ardoyne return restrictions. Also Nigel Dodds is going to spontaneously combust one day...hopefully
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 11, 2013, 07:40:26 PM
They are all upset because the nasty Parades Commission didn't give the poor spoiled children what they wanted.
They'll now scweam and scweam till they make themselves sick(er).
Meanwhile of course if the Orange Order's sc**bag followers cause trouble it's all the Parades Commission's fault.
Ya couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 11, 2013, 07:56:08 PM
OO now calling for protests because of the Ardoyne return restrictions. Also Nigel Dodds is going to spontaneously combust one day...hopefully


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 11, 2013, 08:05:08 PM
OO now calling for protests because of the Ardoyne return restrictions. Also Nigel Dodds is going to spontaneously combust one day...hopefully




HAHAH bloody love it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 11, 2013, 08:06:10 PM
These stupid c***ts never learn, do they? You'd think they'd get the message after the Tunnel and Drumcree. I'd call them Neanderthals but that's a gross insult to Neanderthals
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: dec on July 11, 2013, 08:17:46 PM
The resolutions

http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/twelfthresolutions.aspx

Quote
Twelfth Resolutions 2013

FIRST RESOLUTION: - THE FAITH

As members of the Loyal Orange Institution, we give thanks to Almighty God for the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, which are able to make men wise unto salvation, through faith in Jesus Christ.

We praise The Lord for the proof of His divine love for man which the Bible contains and especially for what it tells us of His Son, our Saviour, The Lord Jesus Christ.

As we give thanks to God for the free access to Holy Scripture which we enjoy, we resolve to help and support, by our prayers and actions, Christians in other lands who are being persecuted for their faith. We further pray that all people everywhere will read the written Word of God and, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, come to saving faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

SECOND RESOLUTION: - LOYALTY

That we, the Orangemen assembled at …………………………………... in commemoration of the 323rd anniversary of the Battle of the Boyne do hereby reaffirm our devotion and loyalty to the Throne and Person of Her Most Gracious Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and Her other Realms, Defender of The Faith.

We congratulate Her Majesty the Queen on the Diamond Jubilee of her Coronation and reflect on the outstanding example of service and dedication which she has given to our nation and to the nations of the British Commonwealth. We trust that she may long continue to reign over us.

THIRD RESOLUTION: - THE STATE

As proud citizens of the United Kingdom we support the display of the Union Flag on public buildings across the United Kingdom.

We have been dismayed at attempts to undermine the Union and to dilute unionist identity at every opportunity. We look forward to a shared future where the Union Flag will be respected by all and our culture will be respected and celebrated, free from prejudice, hatred and intolerance.

We reflect on the centenary year of the formation of Lord Carson’s Ulster Volunteers, a great many of whom were members of the Orange Institution, and who were determined to defend for themselves and their children their cherished position of equal citizenship in the United Kingdom. We give thanks to God that at a time of crisis, men and women were prepared to take a stand for civil and religious liberty.

We reflect on the many attempts being made to undermine the traditional values of our society. As an Institution we affirm the firm and unwavering Biblical and Christian understanding of marriage as between one man and one woman, seek to uphold it and deplore all efforts to undermine it.

Summary version

No to the Fenians
No to the poofs
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ONeill on July 11, 2013, 08:19:23 PM
I like the oul parades to be honest. I'll be out tomorrow with the children to see off our brethren.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 11, 2013, 09:02:01 PM
What did Republic of Côte d'Ivoire do to these stupid cnuts?


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 11, 2013, 09:18:02 PM
Get the feeling there's going to be mayhem..hope not. All very tiring to be honest listening to this crowd spewing venom and there thinly vailed threats. Groundhog day.....
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 11, 2013, 09:19:17 PM
What did Republic of Côte d'Ivoire do to these stupid cnuts?




Apparently Didier Drogba is a well known republican sympathiser so that is two fingers to him and all his countrymen.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: HiMucker on July 11, 2013, 11:46:48 PM
Aye he must be from the Tyrone brigade with his diving and that :P

Was up in Lisburn today and along with every butchers apron on everything that stood still was Jolly Roger skull and crossbones.  I mean hundreds of brand new pirate flags.  What is that all about?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 11, 2013, 11:59:19 PM
What have the Mexicans ever done to annoy them?


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 11, 2013, 11:59:47 PM
Aye he must be from the Tyrone brigade with his diving and that :P

Was up in Lisburn today and along with every butchers apron on everything that stood still was Jolly Roger skull and crossbones.  I mean hundreds of brand new pirate flags.  What is that all about?

Sure the boul Long John Silver was a good god fearing protestant unionist loyalist from Ballymacash. You'd often hear "Ar me arties" or "send that mucker off the plank" when walking down the Knockmore road in Lisburn. Davey Jones' locker was actually a pub down by Bow st mall!

Sorry got a bit carried away there...here is Slugger to clear up this mystery:

http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/06/27/pirates-of-the-mildly-insane/
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 12, 2013, 12:14:51 AM
What did Republic of Côte d'Ivoire do to these stupid cnuts?




Pile of fcukwits!

Is there anything about their "culture" that isn't anti-catholic? Hating all things Irish/catholic is what must keep them breathing air, and is the being of their existence. Sad, sad people.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 12, 2013, 12:26:11 AM
I like the oul parades to be honest. I'll be out tomorrow with the children to see off our brethren.
I usually wait for the Sham fight in Scarva. I think King James will take her the year.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2013, 12:34:44 AM
these bunch of unemployed half twits lying on the dole have nothing else to look forward to during the yr so this is their highlight. Remember me looking forward to halloween as a kid it was the best time with trick or treat and wee bonfires. Oh yes i remember the difference, i was like 8, probably had a higher iq back then than most of these dumb retards now
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2013, 12:55:35 AM
Well we have managed to insult the Ivory coast and Mexico 2nite, loyalist doing their bit for tourists attractions, Am surprised they didnt pick up an Italian flag, easy mistaken just ask Willie, i see a armagh flag on one at coleraine also, yeah pick the only gaa county who wears orange, smart going lads lol, To have a fb page up with bonfires only shows how bitter these people are but they are too stupid to even realise how bigoted all this shit looks.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on July 12, 2013, 01:10:53 AM
Virgin handed into Catholic Church.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Aerlik on July 12, 2013, 05:53:29 AM
Mexico...Catholic; Cote D'Ivoire....errrr, ummmmm, pass.

I wonder if the Six-fingered Red Hand has been repainted on the Lisnagrot Road in Kilrea in front of the Primary School?

Any Croatian flags flying this year...or have the fucktards finally figured out that it is one of the most pro-Rome Catholic countries in Europe?

So, so glad to be away from this festival of hate.  As someone said, there's more "culture" in an expired tub of yoghurt.

Folks, it's the cornered rat mentality; the re-unification of the country is nearing. 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: southdown on July 12, 2013, 08:47:57 AM
Best policy is to sit back and ignore. 

Would be quite funny if a Mexican newspaper ran a story asking why these loyalists hate them so much, then the world would see how completely stupid these people are.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 12, 2013, 08:59:49 AM
Happy 12th July to our Northern brethren

You will forgive me if I hope it rains for the next 72 hours Ap Nart.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 12, 2013, 09:05:25 AM
Happy 12th July to our Northern brethren

You will forgive me if I hope it rains for the next 72 hours Ap Nart.
My granny was always of the opinion that a good scorching day was "better" medicine for a long march in a suit and bowler hat or carrying a Lambeg drum.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: laoislad on July 12, 2013, 09:31:55 AM
Happy July 12th to all our Nordie posters on here.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 12, 2013, 09:38:54 AM
My granny was always of the opinion that a good scorching day was "better" medicine for a long march in a suit and bowler hat or carrying a Lambeg drum.

It was 22 degrees at 9am, so it looks like they are in for a scorcher. They'll be dropping like flies.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 12, 2013, 09:46:07 AM
Happy July 12th to all our Nordie posters on here.

Thanks. We are heading for the coast this morning for the weekend on our paid leave.. ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 12, 2013, 09:51:21 AM
I think I saw a few of these too, you don't want to have 1 billion Indians turning on you!!


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 12, 2013, 10:00:39 AM
I think I saw a few of these too, you don't want to have 1 billion Indians turning on you!!




To quote your fellow county man, Willie Frazer
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See if a Paki comes from India and kills a Provo? I'm going to shake his hand
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: snoopdog on July 12, 2013, 10:03:39 AM
Best policy is to sit back and ignore. 

Would be quite funny if a Mexican newspaper ran a story asking why these loyalists hate them so much, then the world would see how completely stupid these people are.

I totally agree, i know they bang their drum and all this triumphalism b0lox but what if all the Nationalists that live in the interfaces were to ignore them for a few years, let them march down Garvaghy, let them march on the Ardoyne, Have the youngsters out playing GAA and go about as normal.
my god that would really p1ss them off, you never know they might even lose interest.
I know its hard to ignore, and there is little scummers in both sides who just love the violence, but i think we should ignore them, when you ignore annoying people after a while they usually go away. Happy 12th by the way ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 12, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
Best policy is to sit back and ignore. 

Would be quite funny if a Mexican newspaper ran a story asking why these loyalists hate them so much, then the world would see how completely stupid these people are.

I totally agree, i know they bang their drum and all this triumphalism b0lox but what if all the Nationalists that live in the interfaces were to ignore them for a few years, let them march down Garvaghy, let them march on the Ardoyne, Have the youngsters out playing GAA and go about as normal.
my god that would really p1ss them off, you never know they might even lose interest.
I know its hard to ignore, and there is little scummers in both sides who just love the violence, but i think we should ignore them, when you ignore annoying people after a while they usually go away. Happy 12th by the way ;D

I agree, get a big Cul Camp type competition going in the Kickums club with a cultural event after it, it would sicken their blackened hearts so much that they were not getting any reaction!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 12, 2013, 10:18:03 AM
Where's the G8 style security ?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 12, 2013, 10:32:20 AM
Coming back from shop with paper this morning.Had to pull in to let a parade  pass (about 20 oldish men and a few kids led by a Silver Band). I was deeply untraumatised.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lawnseed on July 12, 2013, 10:39:46 AM
I think I saw a few of these too, you don't want to have 1 billion Indians turning on you!!




bud bud ding ding memsab. burning the flag of a country that was part of the uk until the mid 40s and whose countrymen died in ww1 and ww11 in defence of the realm.. a country whose on of the main trading partners of the uk.. a country whose kinfolk pay taxes in the uk to keep the doleites marching.. very smart ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ONeill on July 12, 2013, 10:42:12 AM

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 12, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Some of these parades are indeed 20 old men and a proper band.
However, others are not and the likes of Garvaghy road had a mob following along.

Those that can reasonably be ignored, generally are ignored.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 12, 2013, 10:43:42 AM
I see they managed to break the Parades commission ruling over their choice of music on the way in.
The Half wits then wonder why the commission rules against them.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Denn Forever on July 12, 2013, 10:50:16 AM
It's part of my culture. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=be4Y8Ue211M#at=27
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: snoopdog on July 12, 2013, 10:52:17 AM
I think I saw a few of these too, you don't want to have 1 billion Indians turning on you!!




bud bud ding ding memsab. burning the flag of a country that was part of the uk until the mid 40s and whose countrymen died in ww1 and ww11 in defence of the realm.. a country whose on of the main trading partners of the uk.. a country whose kinfolk pay taxes in the uk to keep the doleites marching.. very smart ::)
Eh, that could be Ireland pre 1920's also
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 12, 2013, 11:01:47 AM
Saw this picture on Facebook this morning. Normally I couldn't give two hoots what that lot get up to. I keep out of their way and let this idiots that want to make fools of themselves, get on with it. However, this has really sickened me. I'm not angry, just upset and sick that some people think this is what represents their culture. Depraved!

Loyalists in Doonbeg, Newtownabbey erected a scaffold on their bonfire where they hung an effigy of Father Matt Wallace who had recently taken his own life. Mocking suicide?


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 12, 2013, 11:11:24 AM
They are a sick bunch of idiots Ziggy.


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The outward leg of the Belfast parade passed the contentious Ardoyne shops area peacefully.

However, there have been some angry exchanges and jostling outside the flashpoint at St Patrick's Catholic Church, also in north Belfast.

One band played the loyalist song 'The Sash' while it was stopped outside the church.

This is in contravention of a ruling by the Parades Commission, the body set up to rule on contentious parades in Northern Ireland
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 12, 2013, 11:24:49 AM
They're losing ground ( mostly in their minds ).

So they're getting more and more defiant but dont realise that they're making a rod for their own backs.


The funniest thing was a Reverend issuing threats last night. He's supposed to be one of the moore moderate people.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2013, 11:31:38 AM
orangeman , they were taking offense at your beloved Armagh team in coleraine last nite burning your flag,
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 12, 2013, 11:43:00 AM
orangeman , they were taking offense at your beloved Armagh team in coleraine last nite burning your flag,

A lot of Tyrone men see no problem with that Wildweasel ;)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 12, 2013, 12:07:30 PM
Do all these bonfires get government grants? Surely any bonfire that contains offence material should have any funding stopped.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on July 12, 2013, 12:10:01 PM
First ever time I'm not in Londonderry for the 12th. This being such a great year where our city holds the biggest parade and us being the UK city of culture. Of all the years to f**king miss it. In the words of the SDLP man Martin Bradley...

..........Chair of Culture Company 2013, Martin Bradley said it is fitting that Derry would host the Order’s flagship parade.


“It’s fantastic that as Derry-Londonderry glories in its status as UK City of Culture the city is playing host to an extensive programme of Orange Order events.

“Given that 2013 is such landmark year for the city, marking as it does the 400th anniversary of the granting of the city charter and the building of the city walls, it’s particularly fitting that Derry-Londonderry will be the location for key elements of the Orange Order’s flagship celebrations.”
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on July 12, 2013, 12:57:28 PM
Culture me hole. Since when did culture involve burning the flag of any country and mocking another religion. And somehow in their sick little twisted minds they think this culture equates to the GAA, Irish arts and music and the Irish language.

As regards that imagine of Fr Matt Wallace I genuine hope that's a fake. As sick as that would be if its real words completly fail me.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 12, 2013, 12:58:09 PM
Ziggy: don't get too sick, that is the Ivory Coast flag! The effigy could be of Drogba.

Question: Would any of yous bies cross one of these parades without a Marshall or anyone else guiding you?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2013, 01:07:01 PM
playing the sash outside the chapel this morning, bunch halfwits, just gave the parades commission ban on the return parade justification. Parade will be banned for good after that display. Like i said, IF they had a 3 digit IQ they might be dangerous
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rois on July 12, 2013, 01:20:30 PM
I was driving through Belfast at 9.30am, more police and emergency vehicles on the road than normal cars. Smoking remnants of bonfires near Linfield, west link blocked by police at Cliften St, fiancé blocked from entering Lisburn and was advised to go back into Belfast to go on motorway to be able to get to Lurgan. This is a hateful hateful bank holiday and I begrudge being forced to take it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 12, 2013, 01:33:29 PM
12 July always depresses me when I see the level that some people stoop to in the name of "culture and tradition".

Culture and tradition my arse  >:(
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Santino on July 12, 2013, 01:36:32 PM
Ziggy, apparently it's actually an effigy of Gerry Kelly being hung, not that it's any better
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 12, 2013, 01:40:53 PM
They're just a shower of cnuts.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 12, 2013, 03:15:39 PM
Happy 12th July to our Northern brethren

You will forgive me if I hope it rains for the next 72 hours Ap Nart.
My granny was always of the opinion that a good scorching day was "better" medicine for a long march in a suit and bowler hat or carrying a Lambeg drum.

Aye, and more conducive for one or two of the older bigots to overheat and cowp with a coronary
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 12, 2013, 04:31:59 PM
I bet Gerry hanging there unsupported in mid air is longing for a Police land rover to hang on to.

Distasteful as this day is,does anyone else share my opinion that if these parades were completely ignored by the catholic/ nationalist population,the orange order itself would fizzle out comparatively shortly.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 12, 2013, 04:42:57 PM
I bet Gerry hanging there unsupported in mid air is longing for a Police land rover to hang on to.

Distasteful as this day is,does anyone else share my opinion that if these parades were completely ignored by the catholic/ nationalist population,the orange order itself would fizzle out comparatively shortly.

Possibly, as long as the OO weren't allowed to make them impossible to ignore.

Are the bonfires official, or are they randomly constructed by the local brains trust?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2013, 04:46:42 PM
naw, wont happen, they go bigger and all out to offend as much as possible, and then they wonder why a majority of the north woudlnt play for their football team, oh i wonder why,
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rois on July 12, 2013, 06:22:17 PM
Had a nice relatively quiet day and now the helicopters are hovering over Ardoyne - far enough from me that I won't hear bands or sirens but close enough to know the orangemen are on their way back.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 12, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
Had a nice relatively quiet day and now the helicopters are hovering over Ardoyne - far enough from me that I won't hear bands or sirens but close enough to know the orangemen are on their way back.

I am in Belfast atm and just went to have a look.

The marchers look alright but some of those on the footpaths are absolutely plastered, and I mean plastered.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 12, 2013, 06:46:31 PM
I grew up in a mixed area. There was a parade or two on our road every year. We just shut the curtains and stayed inside for the five minutes it took to pass and we passed no remarks. Every year the parade got smaller and smaller until it fizzled out.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: FL/MAYO on July 12, 2013, 06:48:18 PM
Had a nice relatively quiet day and now the helicopters are hovering over Ardoyne - far enough from me that I won't hear bands or sirens but close enough to know the orangemen are on their way back.

I am in Belfast atm and just went to have a look.

The marchers look alright but some of those on the footpaths are absolutely plastered, and I mean plastered.

Go have  a look again with your Mayo jersey on for the crack :)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 12, 2013, 06:51:40 PM
Had a nice relatively quiet day and now the helicopters are hovering over Ardoyne - far enough from me that I won't hear bands or sirens but close enough to know the orangemen are on their way back.

I am in Belfast atm and just went to have a look.

The marchers look alright but some of those on the footpaths are absolutely plastered, and I mean plastered.

Go have  a look again with your Mayo jersey on for the crack :)

I could have been singing The Green & Red of Mayo for all they would have noticed.

It was different earlier though. I got some very dirty looks for crossing it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rois on July 12, 2013, 06:59:52 PM
Had a nice relatively quiet day and now the helicopters are hovering over Ardoyne - far enough from me that I won't hear bands or sirens but close enough to know the orangemen are on their way back.

I am in Belfast atm and just went to have a look.

The marchers look alright but some of those on the footpaths are absolutely plastered, and I mean plastered.


Go have  a look again with your Mayo jersey on for the crack :)

See this day brings out the worst in me, I had the roof down in the car and happened to have Fields of Glory by the High Kings on as I passed a feeder parade this morning and I just cranked the radio up higher. sc**bag behaviour from me!

Muppet go up to Shaftsbury Square, the place is bound to resemble a bomb scene now with tins and bottles and so on. And sure c'mon over to north Belfast, I'm about to light the BBQ.

The OO started to parade down our 70s-built cul de sac when I was little - my dad complained to the police as it could hardly have been described as their traditional route. They stopped coming down it then as the police blocked them. This was before Garvaghey Rd. we had to pull down the blinds too when they were at it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 12, 2013, 07:05:31 PM
Had a nice relatively quiet day and now the helicopters are hovering over Ardoyne - far enough from me that I won't hear bands or sirens but close enough to know the orangemen are on their way back.

I am in Belfast atm and just went to have a look.

The marchers look alright but some of those on the footpaths are absolutely plastered, and I mean plastered.


Go have  a look again with your Mayo jersey on for the crack :)

See this day brings out the worst in me, I had the roof down in the car and happened to have Fields of Glory by the High Kings on as I passed a feeder parade this morning and I just cranked the radio up higher. sc**bag behaviour from me!

Muppet go up to Shaftsbury Square, the place is bound to resemble a bomb scene now with tins and bottles and so on. And sure c'mon over to north Belfast, I'm about to light the BBQ.

The OO started to parade down our 70s-built cul de sac when I was little - my dad complained to the police as it could hardly have been described as their traditional route. They stopped coming down it then as the police blocked them. This was before Garvaghey Rd. we had to pull down the blinds too when they were at it.

I was walking towards Shaftesbury Square but chickened out. Looked way to messy although I saw no trouble.

Thanks for the offer, I'd love to join you at your BBQ but I wouldn't know how to get around, or over, the culture.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 12, 2013, 07:08:44 PM
Distasteful as this day is,does anyone else share my opinion that if these parades were completely ignored by the catholic/ nationalist population,the orange order itself would fizzle out comparatively shortly.

I'm not convinced. A relative of mine lives in a small village. Every year, on their march to their church, the bands split up, with one heading to the church. The other, marches totally in the opposite direction, with no church, orange hall on their route. They march through the village, and are picked up a half mile on the other side, with the cops there to protect them. They march through this village every year, and have done for the guts of a century. People pull their blinds, ignore them, but they're still doing it. There has never been a word said, or any trouble in all those years. So, ignore them and they'll go away? I don't think so. It's their wee victory over the local Catholics.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 12, 2013, 07:09:50 PM
Muppet did you chicken out at the big KFC outlet at Shaftsbury Square?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 12, 2013, 07:13:42 PM
I did laugh at tv news there,when that ould boy,Frank Dempsey spokesman for Carrick Hill residents slapped a wee bald Orangeman on the head with a newspaper,for being Lippy as his lodge marched past St Patrick's Church.Both are pensioners! Two ould eejits! Any wonder Obama wanted to talk to the youth on his recent visit?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 12, 2013, 07:18:13 PM
Distasteful as this day is,does anyone else share my opinion that if these parades were completely ignored by the catholic/ nationalist population,the orange order itself would fizzle out comparatively shortly.

I'm not convinced. A relative of mine lives in a small village. Every year, on their march to their church, the bands split up, with one heading to the church. The other, marches totally in the opposite direction, with no church, orange hall on their route. They march through the village, and are picked up a half mile on the other side, with the cops there to protect them. They march through this village every year, and have done for the guts of a century. People pull their blinds, ignore them, but they're still doing it. There has never been a word said, or any trouble in all those years. So, ignore them and they'll go away? I don't think so. It's their wee victory over the local Catholics.

Is that village a mixed area though?

I often think that a lot of it is about getting a reaction. It'd be far better crack for them if they provoked protests. They get more satisfaction out of marching where they're not wanted than marching on their own turf. When they got away with it for years they could gloat about how they were kings of the castle and no uppity Fenians could do anything about it. That's why they're having a collective nervous breakdown over the flag at city hall, it's a sign that they're losing the control that they see as a birthright.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 12, 2013, 07:51:59 PM
Culture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_qVxvSgoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_qVxvSgoQ)

Heritage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quZDzuDP3B8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quZDzuDP3B8)

Tradition

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23286891 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23286891)


Scum.


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 12, 2013, 08:17:37 PM
It's all kicked off apparently ... really hope the Brits over in 'the mainland' and who they claim to be part of are proud of their mongrel race implanted in our land when they watch the News tonight
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 12, 2013, 08:38:24 PM
Is that village a mixed area though?

I often think that a lot of it is about getting a reaction. It'd be far better crack for them if they provoked protests. They get more satisfaction out of marching where they're not wanted than marching on their own turf. When they got away with it for years they could gloat about how they were kings of the castle and no uppity Fenians could do anything about it. That's why they're having a collective nervous breakdown over the flag at city hall, it's a sign that they're losing the control that they see as a birthright.

100% catholic. Always was.

Heard an ex-policeman earlier telling Protestants to ignore the parades commissions ruling. The only way they'll recognise a Parades Commission or similar body, is when they get 100% of their marches the way they want. Until then, they'll choose to ignore the law. Laws that have been made by QE2's govt. The same queen they are to loyal to.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: give her dixie on July 12, 2013, 08:39:18 PM
Ardoyne at present

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNIdh9K3SxE&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 5 Sams on July 12, 2013, 08:58:39 PM
Ardoyne at present

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNIdh9K3SxE&feature=youtu.be

Lovely people.... :-\
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 12, 2013, 09:00:50 PM
'Laws that have been made by QE2's govt. The same queen they are to loyal to'

Ditto Home Rule, sure they threatened all sorts and the Brits cowed down to them, ignoring the 1918 election results and creating this failed fucked up excuse of a statelet ... scum of the universe
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 12, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
It's all kicked off apparently ... really hope the Brits over in 'the mainland' and who they claim to be part of are proud of their mongrel race implanted in our land when they watch the News tonight

Liverpool is overrun with them today.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 12, 2013, 09:15:59 PM
Ardoyne at present

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNIdh9K3SxE&feature=youtu.be

F**k, how long will that go on?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 12, 2013, 09:45:14 PM
I hear rumours on Twitter, Nigel Dodds has injured himself at the riots protests and is in hospital now.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 12, 2013, 09:47:12 PM
"Flagship parade" in Derry went well. 40 people lined the route!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 12, 2013, 09:49:04 PM
I hear rumours on Twitter, Nigel Dodds has injured himself at the riots protests and is in hospital now.

Hit with a brick, apparently ... ah well, it's not all bad news, then
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on July 12, 2013, 09:57:05 PM
I hear rumours on Twitter, Nigel Dodds has injured himself at the riots protests and is in hospital now.

Hit with a brick, apparently ... ah well, it's not all bad news, then

Is the brick ok?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 12, 2013, 09:58:16 PM

 ... scum of the universe

Given the discussion about the infinity of the Universe in the other thread, this might be a bit strong.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: dillinger on July 12, 2013, 10:04:09 PM
It's all kicked off apparently ... really hope the Brits over in 'the mainland' and who they claim to be part of are proud of their mongrel race implanted in our land when they watch the News tonight

I guess you won't be denying that your a bigot then?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 12, 2013, 10:11:52 PM
Quote
I guess you won't be denying that your a bigot then?

I think in the Queen's English, this should be "you won't be denying that you're a bigot, then".

Thinking that the real British will be disgusted by this does not make someone a bigot, it makes them observant.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 12, 2013, 10:13:17 PM
It's all kicked off apparently ... really hope the Brits over in 'the mainland' and who they claim to be part of are proud of their mongrel race implanted in our land when they watch the News tonight

I guess you won't be denying that your a bigot then?

It's you're a bigot ... why can't you Brits learn to speak/write your own queen's English
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 12, 2013, 10:14:01 PM
It's all kicked off apparently ... really hope the Brits over in 'the mainland' and who they claim to be part of are proud of their mongrel race implanted in our land when they watch the News tonight

I guess you won't be denying that your a bigot then?
Good man. Ignore the disgraceful behaviour of the Orange Order and its camp followers and disgusting bands but make sure you hone in on intemperate comments of an anonymous poster on an Internet forum.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lawnseed on July 12, 2013, 10:15:04 PM
the police have confirm nigel was hit by a brick and is now in hospital. also they claim they were attacked with ceremonial swords... wont be long now until the guns are out
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 12, 2013, 10:32:29 PM
I hear rumours on Twitter, Nigel Dodds has injured himself at the riots protests and is in hospital now.
They must have missed Nelson.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnpower on July 12, 2013, 10:40:32 PM
Are all Orange parades contentious ? Are the apprentice parades in Derry as contentious ?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 12, 2013, 10:41:25 PM
Bunch of bitter losers who throw the toys out of the pram when they dont get their own way, pathetic, Pity Obama didnt land over round the 12th, he thought he was caught in a timewarp back round the 50`s/60`s back in the southern states in the good ole days lol
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lawnseed on July 12, 2013, 10:47:21 PM
ahh!!! did anyone see the legs on the orange laydees on itv  Mullingar heifers wouldn't have a look in ;D ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 45 on July 12, 2013, 10:55:21 PM
At least Nigel sods had to endure a wee bit of the treatment we've had to endure the the last forty years ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 12, 2013, 11:04:27 PM
Quote
At least Nigel sods had to endure a wee bit of the treatment we've had to endure the the last forty years

I think you are missing a few hundred from that figure.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 12, 2013, 11:14:35 PM
Very difficult to have any sympathy for the Cnut. Was hit by a brick thrown by one of his own loyalists which makes it all the sweeter.  ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ONeill on July 12, 2013, 11:32:11 PM
I hear rumours on Twitter, Nigel Dodds has injured himself at the riots protests and is in hospital now.

Bad job injuring yourself
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 13, 2013, 12:18:22 AM
Friendly fire can be an awful thing.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Syferus on July 13, 2013, 12:22:07 AM
I think the lads on the news getting the water cannon quite enjoyed it. Looked like most of the protesters came straight from a day at the beach this year.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 13, 2013, 12:35:57 AM
Look at the pictures on this webpage - especially picture 7 of 14


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23295307

Tell me honestly what you're thinking after seeing them -


By the way, it just had to be an orange fanta that he was attacking the Landrover with didn't it ?.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 13, 2013, 12:36:48 AM
Tweet from First Minister tonight "Members attest that the trouble started in E Belfast when the parade was attacked" Themuns
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 13, 2013, 12:46:19 AM
The 12th brings out the worst in them.


There's little hope for this place with that outfit around.


And Dodds was up in full support.


And the Reverend issuing veiled threats.


No wonder London wants nothing to do with us.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 13, 2013, 12:47:14 AM
If the return parade had happened as per previous years, wouldn't rioting be happening in Ardoyne now? PSNI water cannon was deployed one way or another.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rois on July 13, 2013, 01:02:52 AM
Yeah you kinda get the feeling Matt Baggot wants to get them back for being forced to go light touch on fleg protests. After the stick he got, he probably wants to give them a soaking.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 13, 2013, 09:31:54 AM
A soaking on a nice warm night is not the worst, compared to December.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 13, 2013, 09:37:24 AM
Having thought long and hard I realise that I am more concerned for the brick.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 13, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
I bet Gerry hanging there unsupported in mid air is longing for a Police land rover to hang on to.

Distasteful as this day is,does anyone else share my opinion that if these parades were completely ignored by the catholic/ nationalist population,the orange order itself would fizzle out comparatively shortly.
Tony there are two sides to the OO, there's the one you see in the Pass which is generally about the day out and a bit of an oul Parade. But being from Portadown you should no the other side of it which is all about forcing culture on the Croppies, hard tp ignore I'd guess. Where I live the local LOL holds to church parades each year, one to the COI the other to the Presbyterian Church. 12 or 13 oul men and a band no one is offended and they are let hold it in peace, it takes two policemen to marshall it, but they don't beat drums or play the sash outside the Chapel.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 13, 2013, 10:04:40 AM
O much for the ex branch mans promise that none will go home before all ate allowed home.A bit of water and a few plastic rounds and it's home to bed.The dying kick is getting weaker by the year.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 13, 2013, 10:08:37 AM
Look at the pictures on this webpage - especially picture 7 of 14


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23295307

Tell me honestly what you're thinking after seeing them -


By the way, it just had to be an orange fanta that he was attacking the Landrover with didn't it ?.
Did anyone play the clip of the woman in theunion jack bowler? According to her uncle she got hit by a ballistic bullet. What has it come to when the RUC are firing ballistic missiles?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 13, 2013, 10:14:14 AM
Ha ha and he said the ballistic bullet hit her on the tit,the pellers must have thrown it at her.Was out on the ground all day yesterday and credit needs to be given to our elected reps and other activists who kept the lid on things in Nationalist areas, good day all-round
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: give her dixie on July 13, 2013, 12:20:37 PM
http://www.donegaldollop.com/2013/07/july-12th-march-to-be-merged-with-pamplona-bull-run/

July 12th March To Be Merged With Pamplona Bull Run

It has been announced this morning that due to EU cutbacks next year’s July 12th Orange Parade will be merged with the running of the bulls in Pamplona, Spain. Health and safety officials in both Northern Ireland and Spain have backed the proposals, claiming that the combination of the two controversial events will actually be safer and more beneficial to the general public than the usual one-sided antagonism of Nationalists/livestock by Loyalists/tourists.

The Parades Commission has already stated that it will agree in principal to the proposal, provided that Catholic Bulls be used for the event. This has caused some concern among Spanish organisers, however, as their rules explicitly state that participants do not incite the bulls, and incitement plays a fundamental role in Orange culture and heritage.

Provisional plans for the event will see Orange marches given a five minute head start before the bulls are released, at which point it becomes every Orangeman for himself. Giant bonfires will be assembled at various points along the route to give participants the opportunity to climb to safety should they find themselves in trouble.

The July 12th Orange Parade plays a significant role in the Donegal economy, as scores of incomprehensible Nordies invade the County on an annual basis for a mini ‘Gathering’ in a bid to escape the chaos.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 13, 2013, 12:41:02 PM
Great picture on the front page of the Belfast Telegraph this morning.


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 13, 2013, 01:17:01 PM
Oh that one gotta hurt when he hits the ground!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2013, 01:22:01 PM
Great picture on the front page of the Belfast Telegraph this morning.



;D Was gonna post that myself. Class picture.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: bennydorano on July 13, 2013, 01:45:09 PM
Hope that poor fella is alrite
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2013, 02:10:48 PM
Hope that poor fella is alrite
Lolz. Maybe it was him landed on Doddsy. Someone said he was hit on the head by a flying p***k and was misheard as brick.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 13, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
A soaking on a nice warm night is not the worst, compared to December.
water cannon is room temp I've been told, should fill it with sewage instead
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2013, 02:12:53 PM
A soaking on a nice warm night is not the worst, compared to December.
water cannon is room temp I've been told, should fill it with sewage instead
From sewers in the Vatican or Holy water.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: grounded on July 13, 2013, 03:46:11 PM
Great picture on the front page of the Belfast Telegraph this morning.




That photo has definitely been photoshopped. Showed it to the rest of the Physio's here and it's anatomically impossible to get your arm in that position  :)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: HiMucker on July 13, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
That photo should be used in ads for Nike air max.  Spides everywhere will be buying them. Again

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Aerlik on July 13, 2013, 04:14:26 PM
Sack the "physio's" (sic).  It's the real deal
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: bennydorano on July 13, 2013, 04:45:05 PM
Yes, sound like bollix to me too.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 13, 2013, 04:58:54 PM
Great picture on the front page of the Belfast Telegraph this morning.




That photo has definitely been photoshopped. Showed it to the rest of the Physio's here and it's anatomically impossible to get your arm in that position  :)
Not if he's a Kerry man.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 13, 2013, 05:38:35 PM
Lad, obviously not from Tyrone at all, got no diving technique there at all, plenty of room to get in a pike and twist and turn there. 10 for effort, zero for style. your going to be blown of a landrover, at least go down with some style lol
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on July 13, 2013, 06:03:35 PM
Ah I want one of dem hoses for Christmas.

Postman f**ks the letters outside the door in the rain, as usual, instead of putting them in the letterbox - WHOOOOOSH.
Ould wans calling with envelopes they want you to put money in for the priest - WHOOOOOSH.
Hawkers, Beggars, Tarmacadamers, Mormons, Jehovahs - WHOOOOOSH WHOOOOOSH WHOOOOOSH WHOOOOOSH WHOOOOOSH!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 13, 2013, 07:03:59 PM
Back home alleluia.

Got some photos of the return march before it went nuclear.

Whatever about the marchers the scumbags who were walking along with it were incredible. It was like an english football match in the bad old days only here the hooligans were drunker. But back then the hooligans were closely monitored by hundreds of cops on horseback, and definitely could not go where they wanted.

Strangely there were lots of drunk young couples arguing on the street. (BTW - Is it normal to call a girl a 'Baw-sturd!'? - in the south b**tard would usual refer to a male).

Earlier on, I got talking to a tourist from a big country a long way west of Mayo and he was quite concerned for his safety. He said he wasn't sure what sort of reaction his accent would get if the hooligans heard it, I told him it would probably be better than the one mine would get. But we both had to cross the f*cking thing to get to our hotels. We did it despite my being warned not to by a cop. I reckoned he was too scared to follow us so we were grand. I never got the tourist's name.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 13, 2013, 07:06:53 PM
Great picture on the front page of the Belfast Telegraph this morning.




That photo has definitely been photoshopped. Showed it to the rest of the Physio's here and it's anatomically impossible to get your arm in that position  :)

Tell your physio's (sic) they're talking shite, it"s 100% genuine photo
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on July 13, 2013, 07:28:20 PM



A dignified protest.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 13, 2013, 07:42:29 PM



A dignified protest.

That would be the Archbishop.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 13, 2013, 08:00:49 PM
What a bunch of hallions. Why on earth should anyone be expected to tolerate those neanderthals and their supporters walking anywhere within a mile of their own homes!? Wonder when Myles will come along and justify it all...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 13, 2013, 08:33:55 PM
... or his fuckpig evil genius?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 13, 2013, 08:56:23 PM

Tony there are two sides to the OO, there's the one you see in the Pass which is generally about the day out and a bit of an oul Parade. But being from Portadown you should no the other side of it which is all about forcing culture on the Croppies, hard tp ignore I'd guess. Where I live the local LOL holds to church parades each year, one to the COI the other to the Presbyterian Church. 12 or 13 oul men and a band no one is offended and they are let hold it in peace, it takes two policemen to marshall it, but they don't beat drums or play the sash outside the Chapel.

Aaaaaagggggh!   Fir f****'s sake!

No = opposite of yes.
Know = to have knowledge of.
To = towards.
Too = excessive, as in too much or too little.
Two = 2, the number.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 13, 2013, 10:00:40 PM
Great picture on the front page of the Belfast Telegraph this morning.




Unidentified Flying Orangemen
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 13, 2013, 10:10:05 PM
The Slash my Father Bore.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 13, 2013, 10:51:14 PM
His ass will be fcukin sore.

It's all kicking off again in N Belfast:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23303727
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: pullhard on July 13, 2013, 11:05:01 PM
Stopping their benefits, would be a starting point. Making them clean up the mess the next step. These people have nothing to lose. It most cost a fortune to clean up, police and manage, such a daft needless waste. I hope they stop.

The green side have done well too keep there heads down and stay clear, I hope this can continue.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 13, 2013, 11:36:51 PM
These scum are going to push it hoping Baggott will cave in, and you can understand their strategy, even though they are the thickest idiots who have ever lived (where's your masks, you stupid orange c***ts?) Baggott is a pathetic ceasefire soldier of the highest order and if it all goes pear shape these british c***ts will revert to type and force these tramps down the road, beating Irish people off the road... i'll be happy to be proved wrong
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: thewobbler on July 13, 2013, 11:49:50 PM
I always find it amusing disturbing that some people cannot see the underlying bigotry in their own language and thoughts, when they are commentating upon bigotry.

This thread is amusing disturbing.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 14, 2013, 12:15:58 AM
These scum are going to push it hoping Baggott will cave in, and you can understand their strategy, even though they are the thickest idiots who have ever lived (where's your masks, you stupid orange c***ts?) Baggott is a pathetic ceasefire soldier of the highest order and if it all goes pear shape these british c***ts will revert to type and force these tramps down the road, beating Irish people off the road... i'll be happy to be proved wrong

I really can't see that happening. The peelers now have over 1000 cops over from 'the mainland'. They have no intention of giving in.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 14, 2013, 02:48:56 AM
I always find it amusing disturbing that some people cannot see the underlying bigotry in their own language and thoughts, when they are commentating upon bigotry.

This thread is amusing disturbing.

What's so bigoted about calling a mob of knuckle-dragging brain-dead thugs a mob of knuckle-dragging brain-dead thugs? No point in being polite about it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 14, 2013, 06:21:31 AM
I always find it amusing disturbing that some people cannot see the underlying bigotry in their own language and thoughts, when they are commentating upon bigotry.

This thread is amusing disturbing.

What's so bigoted about calling a mob of knuckle-dragging brain-dead thugs a mob of knuckle-dragging brain-dead thugs? No point in being polite about it.
He's from Down.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lawnseed on July 14, 2013, 08:28:19 AM
A soaking on a nice warm night is not the worst, compared to December.
water cannon is room temp I've been told, should fill it with sewage instead
From sewers in the Vatican or Holy water.
water should be dyed. any one  with dye on them could be picked up days after the offence. different colours of dye could be used on different days to denote when the offender was present. anyone with the dye on then loses their benefits automatically it should be an offence to serve anyone in a shop with dye on them or let them in a taxi or bus. the dye would take weeks to wear off so we wouldn't see the pricks for weeks the marching season would be over by then
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: mylestheslasher on July 14, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
I always find it amusing disturbing that some people cannot see the underlying bigotry in their own language and thoughts, when they are commentating upon bigotry.

This thread is amusing disturbing.

In one or two cases maybe but in the whole the people on here are completely accurate to call these loyalists thugs. All they want is a fight and they don't care who gets a rock on the head (or snooker balls as BBC are reporting this morning). The reason they didn't get to do their march this year is that they couldnt have manners last year when restrictions were put in place. There is no compromise they want to march and antagonise as if they have some god given right to keep the croppie down. Its time the cops started picking them up and throwing them in jail for a while. As for the orange order themselves, they are like the DUP of old and they too should be heavily fined for making statements which effectively call thugs onto the streets and then start asking for calm when the horse has bolted.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 14, 2013, 08:59:25 AM
The OO have shown themselves up this week.


Let them continue so that the world sees how pathetic they are.

The sight of them trying to beat the crap out of a police landrover with a union jack tells you all you need to know about them.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on July 14, 2013, 10:39:53 AM
The OO have shown themselves up this week.


Let them continue so that the world sees how pathetic they are.

The sight of them trying to beat the crap out of a police landrover with a union jack tells you all you need to know about them.

The Orange Order have been showing themselves up for years but it's like water of a duck's back to them. They have no sense of shame and their hypocrisy is disgusting. Their desire to trample over the taigs and put them in their place overrides anything else. And with politicians making statements like this to quote the BBC:

"Ulster Unionist councillor Mark Cosgrove who is also a member of the Belfast Parades Forum said it was "irresponsible of the chief constable to blame the Orange Order for the disturbances".".

is nothing short of breathtaking arrogance. How long are they going to be let of the hook calling people out onto the streets knowing full well what the outcome is going to be and then blaming everyone else under the sun for what happens. The time they were held to account is long overdue. 

BTW why is it as well that as soon as anyone criticises anything to do with their culture they are automatically seen as some kind of IRA/Republican sympathiser who is out to oppresse all things orange rather than someone speaking out against something which is just plain wrong. I've no objection to them parading, having their bonfires etc. What I do object to is building bonfires at hospital gates and other inappropiate areas, burning any countries flag, burning religious images, mocking suicide, signs with KAT etc etc.  That might be tradition for them but it's certainly not culture. 

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2013, 10:52:00 AM
I always find it amusing disturbing that some people cannot see the underlying bigotry in their own language and thoughts, when they are commentating upon bigotry.

This thread is amusing disturbing.

In one or two cases maybe but in the whole the people on here are completely accurate to call these loyalists thugs. All they want is a fight and they don't care who gets a rock on the head (or snooker balls as BBC are reporting this morning). The reason they didn't get to do their march this year is that they couldnt have manners last year when restrictions were put in place. There is no compromise they want to march and antagonise as if they have some god given right to keep the croppie down. Its time the cops started picking them up and throwing them in jail for a while. As for the orange order themselves, they are like the DUP of old and they too should be heavily fined for making statements which effectively call thugs onto the streets and then start asking for calm when the horse has bolted.

If we all took off our tinted glasses we could resolve a lot of the underlying issues this so called christian place has. Religion/tradition and culture has a lot to answer for, none of which is worth a single life IMO
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: thewobbler on July 14, 2013, 11:30:27 AM
The OO have shown themselves up this week.


Let them continue so that the world sees how pathetic they are.

The sight of them trying to beat the crap out of a police landrover with a union jack tells you all you need to know about them.

The Orange Order have been showing themselves up for years but it's like water of a duck's back to them. They have no sense of shame and their hypocrisy is disgusting. Their desire to trample over the taigs and put them in their place overrides anything else. And with politicians making statements like this to quote the BBC:

"Ulster Unionist councillor Mark Cosgrove who is also a member of the Belfast Parades Forum said it was "irresponsible of the chief constable to blame the Orange Order for the disturbances".".

is nothing short of breathtaking arrogance. How long are they going to be let of the hook calling people out onto the streets knowing full well what the outcome is going to be and then blaming everyone else under the sun for what happens. The time they were held to account is long overdue. 

BTW why is it as well that as soon as anyone criticises anything to do with their culture they are automatically seen as some kind of IRA/Republican sympathiser who is out to oppresse all things orange rather than someone speaking out against something which is just plain wrong. I've no objection to them parading, having their bonfires etc. What I do object to is building bonfires at hospital gates and other inappropiate areas, burning any countries flag, burning religious images, mocking suicide, signs with KAT etc etc.  That might be tradition for them but it's certainly not culture.


Fully agree with what you're saying.

People should have the right to condemn the orange order. Their actions over the past 20 years, when 'orange got cool' are shameful, hypocritical and nothing short of spiteful.

But it's the 'nationalists' who cannot comment on the order without diatribes against one or more of a) Protestantism, b) the UK, or c) the PSNI, that get my goat up. It's not an observation about events so much as blinkered promotion of a narrow agenda. Which is basically bigotry, and I can't help get the feeling the same men would quite happily march down Protestant streets to prove how Irish they are.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens73 on July 14, 2013, 11:41:46 AM
The OO have shown themselves up this week.


Let them continue so that the world sees how pathetic they are.

The sight of them trying to beat the crap out of a police landrover with a union jack tells you all you need to know about them.

The Orange Order have been showing themselves up for years but it's like water of a duck's back to them. They have no sense of shame and their hypocrisy is disgusting. Their desire to trample over the taigs and put them in their place overrides anything else. And with politicians making statements like this to quote the BBC:

"Ulster Unionist councillor Mark Cosgrove who is also a member of the Belfast Parades Forum said it was "irresponsible of the chief constable to blame the Orange Order for the disturbances".".

is nothing short of breathtaking arrogance. How long are they going to be let of the hook calling people out onto the streets knowing full well what the outcome is going to be and then blaming everyone else under the sun for what happens. The time they were held to account is long overdue. 

BTW why is it as well that as soon as anyone criticises anything to do with their culture they are automatically seen as some kind of IRA/Republican sympathiser who is out to oppresse all things orange rather than someone speaking out against something which is just plain wrong. I've no objection to them parading, having their bonfires etc. What I do object to is building bonfires at hospital gates and other inappropiate areas, burning any countries flag, burning religious images, mocking suicide, signs with KAT etc etc.  That might be tradition for them but it's certainly not culture.


Fully agree with what you're saying.

People should have the right to condemn the orange order. Their actions over the past 20 years, when 'orange got cool' are shameful, hypocritical and nothing short of spiteful.

But it's the 'nationalists' who cannot comment on the order without diatribes against one or more of a) Protestantism, b) the UK, or c) the PSNI, that get my goat up. It's not an observation about events so much as blinkered promotion of a narrow agenda. Which is basically bigotry, and I can't help get the feeling the same men would quite happily march down Protestant streets to prove how Irish they are.

I personally can't stand the bigots but would have no desire whatsoever to ram my Irish culture down their throats and I think that would be the opinion of a lot of Nationalists.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Main Street on July 14, 2013, 01:06:54 PM

I personally can't stand the bigots but would have no desire whatsoever to ram my Irish culture down their throats and I think that would be the opinion of a lot of Nationalists.
Yeah, but paranoia is an integral part of Orange culture, the mere existence of Irish culture means you are a deadly threat. Because you don't want them ramming it down your throat and are supported by the law of the land, you are accused of ramming your culture down their throats.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 14, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
Quote from: thewobbler
But it's the 'nationalists' who cannot comment on the order without diatribes against one or more of a) Protestantism, b) the UK, or c) the PSNI, that get my goat up. It's not an observation about events so much as blinkered promotion of a narrow agenda. Which is basically bigotry, and I can't help get the feeling the same men would quite happily march down Protestant streets to prove how Irish they are.

Quote from: glens73
I personally can't stand the bigots but would have no desire whatsoever to ram my Irish culture down their throats and I think that would be the opinion of a lot of Nationalists.

In Belfast and some other places, nationalists have little connection with broader Irish society and sometimes exhibit the odious characteristics of loyalism in reverse, so they are defined by the loyalists and their response to them.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 14, 2013, 01:29:46 PM
Sooner or later the cops are going to have to storm the rioters, make mass arrests, fine and jail the thugs. If this happened a few times it is bound to die off.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: haveaharp on July 14, 2013, 01:56:20 PM
 
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and I can't help get the feeling the same men would quite happily march down Protestant streets to prove how Irish they are.
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But they don't. Its high time the government called their bluff and said any more trouble and the lot is banned.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: haveaharp on July 14, 2013, 01:57:11 PM
Sooner or later the cops are going to have to storm the rioters, make mass arrests, fine and jail the thugs. If this happened a few times it is bound to die off.


Don't be holding your breath.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 14, 2013, 02:18:59 PM
In Belfast and some other places, nationalists have little connection with broader Irish society and sometimes exhibit the odious characteristics of loyalism in reverse, so they are defined by the loyalists and their response to them.

Now theres an ugly truth. Following Celtic, and Cliftonville or the Candy Stripes, swallying and hating the other side sums up a huge percentage of the nationalist population in build up areas. Stand a street away and any flute band and you wouldn't know from listening which "side" they're on.   

After a lifetime of watching parades of all descriptions I've developed a loathing of all of them due to the clear undercurrents. Its difficult to know who's aping who at times.


Just watched the BBCs run down of the 12th "celebrations" and you would almost think those undercurrents didn't exist. Unbelievable journalism. They look untouchable

 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 14, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
It is a funny mindset all the same.

March down the road.
No smiling.
Listen to load of politician's speeches.
March back up the road.
No smiling.
Get really angry when you can't do what you were told you wouldn't be able to do.
Do one or two of the following:
* no smiling & riot; 
* no smiling & go home;

Immediately start looking forward to next year.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Aerlik on July 14, 2013, 04:39:16 PM
I had to have a wee chuckle to myself while at the AFL game today.  This weekend was multicultural round, celebrating the huge range of ethnicities which makes up the Australian population and those who play the game.  To acknowledge this the goal umpires used orange instead of white score flags.

Apparently orange is the international colour of multiculturalism. 

Somehow that honourable intention has been lost this weekend (as ever) in the six counties.

And for the record, I absolutely effing LOATHE all marches. 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: seafoid on July 14, 2013, 09:13:38 PM
NI is a failed colonial project. Be a loyal plastic robot for a world that doesn't care.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnneycool on July 15, 2013, 09:58:41 AM
These scum are going to push it hoping Baggott will cave in, and you can understand their strategy, even though they are the thickest idiots who have ever lived (where's your masks, you stupid orange c***ts?) Baggott is a pathetic ceasefire soldier of the highest order and if it all goes pear shape these british c***ts will revert to type and force these tramps down the road, beating Irish people off the road... i'll be happy to be proved wrong

I really can't see that happening. The peelers now have over 1000 cops over from 'the mainland'. They have no intention of giving in.

Baggot seems to have got this one right. He now knows the PSNI haven't the moral fibre to see through Loyalist protests and manned the contentious areas with imports from English constabularies who haven't got the same baggage.
The DUP were bleating about the lack of local officers in Ardoyne who'd have a greater 'understanding' of these things.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 15, 2013, 02:13:44 PM
Quote from: thewobbler
But it's the 'nationalists' who cannot comment on the order without diatribes against one or more of a) Protestantism, b) the UK, or c) the PSNI, that get my goat up. It's not an observation about events so much as blinkered promotion of a narrow agenda. Which is basically bigotry, and I can't help get the feeling the same men would quite happily march down Protestant streets to prove how Irish they are.

Quote from: glens73
I personally can't stand the bigots but would have no desire whatsoever to ram my Irish culture down their throats and I think that would be the opinion of a lot of Nationalists.

In Belfast and some other places, nationalists have little connection with broader Irish society and sometimes exhibit the odious characteristics of loyalism in reverse, so they are defined by the loyalists and their response to them.

I have come across these Celtic jersey wearing types. They think that Mary McAleese is still President and that she runs the Irish government. They don't know what a Taoiseach or the Dail is. They know f**k all about the GAA. They use ignorant words to describe the Unionist community and the people of the Republic and are not very complimentary of those West of the Bann neither. I have come across ones who thought that Northern Ireland was invaded by the United Kingdom and it was taken from the Republic ("Free State") during an early 20'th century invasion. They never seen RTE in their life. The live for Man.Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Celtic. They watch Britains got talent like their life depends on it. They often confuse the word Britain for United Kingdom and they call Stephens Day, Boxing Day.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on July 15, 2013, 02:56:40 PM
Quote from: thewobbler
But it's the 'nationalists' who cannot comment on the order without diatribes against one or more of a) Protestantism, b) the UK, or c) the PSNI, that get my goat up. It's not an observation about events so much as blinkered promotion of a narrow agenda. Which is basically bigotry, and I can't help get the feeling the same men would quite happily march down Protestant streets to prove how Irish they are.

Quote from: glens73
I personally can't stand the bigots but would have no desire whatsoever to ram my Irish culture down their throats and I think that would be the opinion of a lot of Nationalists.

In Belfast and some other places, nationalists have little connection with broader Irish society and sometimes exhibit the odious characteristics of loyalism in reverse, so they are defined by the loyalists and their response to them.

I have come across these Celtic jersey wearing types. They think that Mary McAleese is still President and that she runs the Irish government. They don't know what a Taoiseach or the Dail is. They know f**k all about the GAA. They use ignorant words to describe the Unionist community and the people of the Republic and are not very complimentary of those West of the Bann neither. I have come across ones who thought that Northern Ireland was invaded by the United Kingdom and it was taken from the Republic ("Free State") during an early 20'th century invasion. They never seen RTE in their life. The live for Man.Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Celtic. They watch Britains got talent like their life depends on it. They often confuse the word Britain for United Kingdom and they call Stephens Day, Boxing Day.
Ye should join a GAA club over there in Liverpool and sort the whole mess out.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 15, 2013, 03:26:21 PM
Quote from: thewobbler
But it's the 'nationalists' who cannot comment on the order without diatribes against one or more of a) Protestantism, b) the UK, or c) the PSNI, that get my goat up. It's not an observation about events so much as blinkered promotion of a narrow agenda. Which is basically bigotry, and I can't help get the feeling the same men would quite happily march down Protestant streets to prove how Irish they are.

Quote from: glens73
I personally can't stand the bigots but would have no desire whatsoever to ram my Irish culture down their throats and I think that would be the opinion of a lot of Nationalists.

In Belfast and some other places, nationalists have little connection with broader Irish society and sometimes exhibit the odious characteristics of loyalism in reverse, so they are defined by the loyalists and their response to them.
Agree. Detest the 'aping' that goes on on 'our' side i.e. Republican flute bands, burning effigies/flags on bonfires. Pile of shite.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 15, 2013, 03:37:07 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 15, 2013, 04:10:47 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Parading in general (Orangemen) has me intrigued to a certain degree. I've seen parading up close at the 12th and have never witnessed such crap in my life. Why tourists would want to watch it is beyond me (Drunken louts, rubbish, aggressive and sectarian behaviour etc)

What I wouldn't mind checking out is some of the smaller rural parades. Just to see what the craic is. They seem to me to be slightly less hostile than the fare you'd get in Belfast.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 15, 2013, 04:19:17 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Parading in general (Orangemen) has me intrigued to a certain degree. I've seen parading up close at the 12th and have never witnessed such crap in my life. Why tourists would want to watch it is beyond me (Drunken louts, rubbish, aggressive and sectarian behaviour etc)

What I wouldn't mind checking out is some of the smaller rural parades. Just to see what the craic is. They seem to me to be slightly less hostile than the fare you'd get in Belfast.

I can assure you it is much the same.I was out all day on the twelfth in Newtownabbey were the Antrim lodges held their twelfth.They stopped outside St.Bernards Chapel and played the sash,spat at at lamppost were a Tricolour happened to be flying,played the sash and hammered their drums when they passed the two Catholic estates and made insulting gestures towards any locals who they perceived as Catholic.Very sad individuals indeed.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 15, 2013, 04:47:38 PM
thats what I said though- its the accompanying idiots that make this an eyesore and people looking for them to be banned.

I have seen many republican flute band parades in my youth and there was never anything like that carry on.

I expect that the unionist/loyalist side can do the same and thus make their parades and music playing more palatable to everyone, tourists included.

To be fair, their uniforms are very colourful and a lot brighter/dramatic than more or less all of the republican flute bands I can recall.

if anything, they (loyalist/unionist/oo bands) often look a bit like a gay pride march - though I am pretty sure they wouldnt be happy hearing that.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 15, 2013, 05:15:37 PM
At the end of the day the OO only exists to help celeabrate a homosexual leader wining a scuffle in Co. Meath a couple of thousand yrs ago. The mordern day with youtube etc will show the world what these scumbags are really like.

Was interesting to see the cover pages of both the Irish news and news letter on saturday, said it all really.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2013, 05:21:54 PM
No big deal an ulster man winning a scuffle down round meath these days lol
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 15, 2013, 07:24:16 PM
At the end of the day the OO only exists to help celeabrate a homosexual leader wining a scuffle in Co. Meath a couple of thousand yrs ago. The mordern day with youtube etc will show the world what these scumbags are really like.

Was interesting to see the cover pages of both the Irish news and news letter on saturday, said it all really.

Two inbred psychopaths. Fighting each other like they did for centuries. Which is why lots of European countries no longer have royals, as the "British" royals became top dog. I really don't understand why anyone would celebrate anything to do with royalty, when you think what they have done to their own people down through the centuries. They didn't beome mega rich and powerful by accident.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2013, 07:34:59 PM
but it aint my fault, we asked them out to protest (but we didnt say where)
Its the police fault, its them damn residents fault, its the parade commission fault.
How about some useless f**ker come forward and take some responsibility you bunch of spineless b**tards
And telefon Don Nelson, i wouldn't tell them to stop protesting, thats their democratic right, any chance you tell them to stop rioting u bigoted ballbag!!
how will Northern ireland ever go froward with this level of incompetence in political office.
I really think people in northern Ireland are generally f**king stupid. how else do the same people keep getting voted in year after year!!
They are certainly not qualified for these jobs, how do they get them time and time again. they must reply on the idiots vote (much of which was at woodvale past couple of days)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 15, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
If there was an anti-Jewish organisation, how long it would exist for? The OO essentially an anti-catholic organisation (hiding behind the religion banner), and should not be allowed to exist either. Theres your marching issues sorted out in a second.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: playwiththewind1st on July 15, 2013, 07:53:26 PM
If there was an anti-Jewish organisation, how long it would exist for? The OO essentially an anti-catholic organisation (hiding behind the religion banner), and should not be allowed to exist either. Theres your marching issues sorted out in a second.

Done, all sorted, easy really, why didn't we think of that before?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on July 15, 2013, 07:53:52 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Parading in general (Orangemen) has me intrigued to a certain degree. I've seen parading up close at the 12th and have never witnessed such crap in my life. Why tourists would want to watch it is beyond me (Drunken louts, rubbish, aggressive and sectarian behaviour etc)

What I wouldn't mind checking out is some of the smaller rural parades. Just to see what the craic is. They seem to me to be slightly less hostile than the fare you'd get in Belfast.

I can assure you it is much the same.I was out all day on the twelfth in Newtownabbey were the Antrim lodges held their twelfth.They stopped outside St.Bernards Chapel and played the sash,spat at at lamppost were a Tricolour happened to be flying,played the sash and hammered their drums when they passed the two Catholic estates and made insulting gestures towards any locals who they perceived as Catholic.Very sad individuals indeed.
Newtownabbey is hardly a rural area.  In addition, given that people from Rathcoole, Rathfearn etc are hardly liberal types, I'd say they'd be every bit as extreme as Belfast / Shankill bands.
As someone from mid Down, with experience of parades in the village where Iwas brought up, I'd say that rural parades have a much different atmosphere. 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 15, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Parading in general (Orangemen) has me intrigued to a certain degree. I've seen parading up close at the 12th and have never witnessed such crap in my life. Why tourists would want to watch it is beyond me (Drunken louts, rubbish, aggressive and sectarian behaviour etc)

What I wouldn't mind checking out is some of the smaller rural parades. Just to see what the craic is. They seem to me to be slightly less hostile than the fare you'd get in Belfast.

I can assure you it is much the same.I was out all day on the twelfth in Newtownabbey were the Antrim lodges held their twelfth.They stopped outside St.Bernards Chapel and played the sash,spat at at lamppost were a Tricolour happened to be flying,played the sash and hammered their drums when they passed the two Catholic estates and made insulting gestures towards any locals who they perceived as Catholic.Very sad individuals indeed.
Rathcoole, Cloughfern, Monkstown etc. are hotbeds of violent loyalism. Hardly comparable with rural Fermanagh etc.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 15, 2013, 08:48:03 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Parading in general (Orangemen) has me intrigued to a certain degree. I've seen parading up close at the 12th and have never witnessed such crap in my life. Why tourists would want to watch it is beyond me (Drunken louts, rubbish, aggressive and sectarian behaviour etc)

What I wouldn't mind checking out is some of the smaller rural parades. Just to see what the craic is. They seem to me to be slightly less hostile than the fare you'd get in Belfast.

I can assure you it is much the same.I was out all day on the twelfth in Newtownabbey were the Antrim lodges held their twelfth.They stopped outside St.Bernards Chapel and played the sash,spat at at lamppost were a Tricolour happened to be flying,played the sash and hammered their drums when they passed the two Catholic estates and made insulting gestures towards any locals who they perceived as Catholic.Very sad individuals indeed.
Newtownabbey is hardly a rural area.  In addition, given that people from Rathcoole, Rathfearn etc are hardly liberal types, I'd say they'd be every bit as extreme as Belfast / Shankill bands.
As someone from mid Down, with experience of parades in the village where Iwas brought up, I'd say that rural parades have a much different atmosphere.

Well if you had read my post right I said it was Antrim lodges,Ballynure,Ballyclare,Larne ares etc,so I do know they are rural,so think before you post the next time.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 15, 2013, 08:54:12 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Parading in general (Orangemen) has me intrigued to a certain degree. I've seen parading up close at the 12th and have never witnessed such crap in my life. Why tourists would want to watch it is beyond me (Drunken louts, rubbish, aggressive and sectarian behaviour etc)

What I wouldn't mind checking out is some of the smaller rural parades. Just to see what the craic is. They seem to me to be slightly less hostile than the fare you'd get in Belfast.

I can assure you it is much the same.I was out all day on the twelfth in Newtownabbey were the Antrim lodges held their twelfth.They stopped outside St.Bernards Chapel and played the sash,spat at at lamppost were a Tricolour happened to be flying,played the sash and hammered their drums when they passed the two Catholic estates and made insulting gestures towards any locals who they perceived as Catholic.Very sad individuals indeed.
Rathcoole, Cloughfern, Monkstown etc. are hotbeds of violent loyalism. Hardly comparable with rural Fermanagh etc.

Never compared anything to rural Fermanagh as I know very little about it,but the lodges were from rural areas of Antrim and seen every lodge that passed didn't see any from Rathcoole or Monkstown,bands from there but no lodges,Killwalter,Cairncastle,Glynn,Ballynure etc were the lodges I saw
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on July 15, 2013, 08:58:38 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Parading in general (Orangemen) has me intrigued to a certain degree. I've seen parading up close at the 12th and have never witnessed such crap in my life. Why tourists would want to watch it is beyond me (Drunken louts, rubbish, aggressive and sectarian behaviour etc)

What I wouldn't mind checking out is some of the smaller rural parades. Just to see what the craic is. They seem to me to be slightly less hostile than the fare you'd get in Belfast.

I can assure you it is much the same.I was out all day on the twelfth in Newtownabbey were the Antrim lodges held their twelfth.They stopped outside St.Bernards Chapel and played the sash,spat at at lamppost were a Tricolour happened to be flying,played the sash and hammered their drums when they passed the two Catholic estates and made insulting gestures towards any locals who they perceived as Catholic.Very sad individuals indeed.
Newtownabbey is hardly a rural area.  In addition, given that people from Rathcoole, Rathfearn etc are hardly liberal types, I'd say they'd be every bit as extreme as Belfast / Shankill bands.
As someone from mid Down, with experience of parades in the village where Iwas brought up, I'd say that rural parades have a much different atmosphere.

Well if you had read my post right I said it was Antrim lodges,Ballynure,Ballyclare,Larne ares etc,so I do know they are rural,so think before you post the next time.
Whatever - I was challenging you primarily on your assertion that Newtownabbey was a rural area - As such, you may want to heed your own advice
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 15, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
I've no problem with flute bands from either side.
the ,music, the garb of the bands people - its very entertaning as as most of the tunes from either side.
I'd see this as something that could be retained as 'culture' for the future,as well as murals on walls etc.

the problem is the knuckledragger behaviour from a lot of the hangers on associated with such bands.

Bands should be allowed to dress up, march and play in parades wherever, they add to a sense of historical value imo.
But any political chants or banners etc should be done away with.

I'd think tourists would love to see the musical marching bands en route.
They certainly add to the occasion when playing at GAA matches (bands -brass/flute/accordian bands etc)

I even quite like the tune 'the sash' but not if it was accompanied by neanderthals roaring abuse and threatening me/my property etc
Parading in general (Orangemen) has me intrigued to a certain degree. I've seen parading up close at the 12th and have never witnessed such crap in my life. Why tourists would want to watch it is beyond me (Drunken louts, rubbish, aggressive and sectarian behaviour etc)

What I wouldn't mind checking out is some of the smaller rural parades. Just to see what the craic is. They seem to me to be slightly less hostile than the fare you'd get in Belfast.

I can assure you it is much the same.I was out all day on the twelfth in Newtownabbey were the Antrim lodges held their twelfth.They stopped outside St.Bernards Chapel and played the sash,spat at at lamppost were a Tricolour happened to be flying,played the sash and hammered their drums when they passed the two Catholic estates and made insulting gestures towards any locals who they perceived as Catholic.Very sad individuals indeed.
Newtownabbey is hardly a rural area.  In addition, given that people from Rathcoole, Rathfearn etc are hardly liberal types, I'd say they'd be every bit as extreme as Belfast / Shankill bands.
As someone from mid Down, with experience of parades in the village where Iwas brought up, I'd say that rural parades have a much different atmosphere.

Well if you had read my post right I said it was Antrim lodges,Ballynure,Ballyclare,Larne ares etc,so I do know they are rural,so think before you post the next time.
Whatever - I was challenging you primarily on your assertion that Newtownabbey was a rural area - As such, you may want to heed your own advice

Again never said Newtownabbey was a rural area,was replying about a parade that was for rural lodges and not ones from Belfast.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 15, 2013, 09:17:39 PM
You all should stop calling them loyalists, and start calling them british terrorists.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 15, 2013, 09:19:39 PM
How do you distinguish between the 11th night bonfire, the twelfth itself and the people who attend both.

e.g. who organises the bonfires and how do they get funding? (I ask because i see some scum in randalstown saw it fit to steal a GAA banner from the local GAA club and place it on their (council funded) bonfire with along with the usual array of tricolours etc)

Do orangemen attend the bonfires and does the OO organise them? Do bands/OO march to bonfires, before or after?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2013, 09:46:44 PM
The oo wouldnt organise them, in the big areas the local hoods / uda/uvf would be heavily involved in it
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 15, 2013, 09:53:26 PM
right so the OO just organise the marches on the 12th and whenever else,

the bands are usually aligned to whatever local paramilitary group is in vogue and are invited to march along with oo? or apply to march with oo?

is that right?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2013, 09:56:17 PM
If there was an anti-Jewish organisation, how long it would exist for? The OO essentially an anti-catholic organisation (hiding behind the religion banner), and should not be allowed to exist either. Theres your marching issues sorted out in a second.
They have to come up with a new identity . Queen and protestant and the somme and none of them are of much relevance any more. Throw in economic decline and it is very messy.

The great lottery of life is not so kind to  those born working class protestant in NI. And their middle class pols mostly let them down.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Minder on July 15, 2013, 10:02:33 PM
If there was an anti-Jewish organisation, how long it would exist for? The OO essentially an anti-catholic organisation (hiding behind the religion banner), and should not be allowed to exist either. Theres your marching issues sorted out in a second.
They have to come up with a new identity . Queen and protestant and the somme and none of them are of much relevance any more. Throw in economic decline and it is very messy.

The great lottery of life is not so kind to  those born working class protestant in NI. And their middle class pols mostly let them down.

How is it any worse for the prods, it's a myth that they keep repeating to get money pumped into the areas that folks like Winkie Irvine and his ilk hoover up
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 15, 2013, 10:06:28 PM
A fair number of bands would have uda/uvf  banners although discretely (in theory) especially round belfast and the surrounding outskirts and a fair number would just be normal bands alot linked to the orange order and local churches etc. I know some in a local band, and that be through the church. I think all bands apply for the designated parade. Some bands from Scotland would be the worst offenders in their sectarian Nature. There be bands in belfast and other areas with a number of uda hoods in there ranks, they not hard to pick out. Know a few lads at work in the orange order, they lie low this time of year with embarrassment. They say themselves the number of scumbags and hanger on following the bands on a days drinking session is a serious problem, but none dare speak out against them (out of fear)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on July 15, 2013, 10:59:15 PM
If there was an anti-Jewish organisation, how long it would exist for? The OO essentially an anti-catholic organisation (hiding behind the religion banner), and should not be allowed to exist either. Theres your marching issues sorted out in a second.
They have to come up with a new identity . Queen and protestant and the somme and none of them are of much relevance any more. Throw in economic decline and it is very messy.

The great lottery of life is not so kind to  those born working class protestant in NI. And their middle class pols mostly let them down.
Who are you referring to as "They"?  The OO or Ulster Protestants in general? 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 15, 2013, 11:18:28 PM
You all should stop calling them loyalists, and start calling them british terrorists.

Or do what the BBC does and try to avoid referring to them as loyalists at all.  I watched the BBC News from London on Sunday night and if you weren't from here until about 3/4 of the way through their report it was difficult to know who was actually rioting
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 15, 2013, 11:19:00 PM
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The OO or Ulster Protestants in general? 

"Ulster" Protestants in general. Basing your identify around a failed 17th century ethnic cleansing project does not bode well for the future. 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: trileacman on July 15, 2013, 11:28:17 PM
You all should stop calling them loyalists, and start calling them british terrorists.

Or do what the BBC does and try to avoid referring to them as loyalists at all.  I watched the BBC News from London on Sunday night and if you weren't from here until about 3/4 of the way through their report it was difficult to know who was actually rioting

Noticed that. It's always "riots after the 12th" with no word of who's rioting.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Syferus on July 15, 2013, 11:43:24 PM
Who ever the eedjit was that threw a pipe-bomb over from the nationalist side should be arrested for sheer stupidity on top of being a vile lunatic. The very best thing nationalists could do was sit peacefully by and let the loyalists make fools of themselves. Giving them any stick to beat the other side with will allow them to play the 'sure they're just as bad' card in the media.

A lad from Belfast by me took the week off and is spending it at his lovely Roscommon holiday home. Do many schedule their holidays to avoid this shite?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 15, 2013, 11:48:58 PM
... I can't help get the feeling the same men would quite happily march down Protestant streets to prove how Irish they are.

Boys o boys.  I've read some trash in my time but that just takes the biscuit.  Are you serious? Ramming parades through areas where they're not welcome is not something that goes on on both sides, it's an exclusively loyalist trait.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 16, 2013, 12:50:34 AM
Who ever the eedjit was that threw a pipe-bomb over from the nationalist side should be arrested for sheer stupidity on top of being a vile lunatic. The very best thing nationalists could do was sit peacefully by and let the loyalists make fools of themselves. Giving them any stick to beat the other side with will allow them to play the 'sure they're just as bad' card in the media.

A lad from Belfast by me took the week off and is spending it at his lovely Roscommon holiday home. Do many schedule their holidays to avoid this shite?
Most would rather be trampled over by an Orange parade than spend a week in Roscommon  ;)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Syferus on July 16, 2013, 01:03:07 AM
Who ever the eedjit was that threw a pipe-bomb over from the nationalist side should be arrested for sheer stupidity on top of being a vile lunatic. The very best thing nationalists could do was sit peacefully by and let the loyalists make fools of themselves. Giving them any stick to beat the other side with will allow them to play the 'sure they're just as bad' card in the media.

A lad from Belfast by me took the week off and is spending it at his lovely Roscommon holiday home. Do many schedule their holidays to avoid this shite?
Most would rather be trampled over by an Orange parade than spend a week in Roscommon  ;)

I'd bet there's not too many tourists who would feel the same.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 16, 2013, 01:09:49 AM
Just a thought... What is the loyalists idea of this shared future? That all their marches go 100% in their favour? Because it seems to me that even if one march is banned/restricted, their "culture" is being eroded, and that can't be seen as a shared future, in their eyes. It really is laughable.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 16, 2013, 01:31:02 AM
Burning tyres thrown onto the A4 dual carriageway near Dungannon tonight.

http://ulsterherald.com/2013/07/16/a4-dual-carriageway-closed-after-tires-set-on-fire/ (http://ulsterherald.com/2013/07/16/a4-dual-carriageway-closed-after-tires-set-on-fire/)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on July 16, 2013, 01:39:04 AM
I forwaded all the videos, tv reports and pictures onto my mate in Australia of Ulster-Scot ancestory, very much a British-empire type. Always takes the Brits side and sees the Irish as a bit backwards. She saw these and sent me a text that they the OO were barbaric scum and she could never understand why I got so emotional about Irish history but she may have been wrong if her ancestors were anywhere like those folk.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 16, 2013, 01:59:54 AM
Just listened to Susan McKay's interview on Newstalk. Always good to listen to.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 16, 2013, 04:21:43 AM
Having personally being critical of Republicans and Republicanism, in the past, I have to commend their behaviour in the last few days. That applies from the leadership right down to the grassroots, and even to the posters I have clashed with on this site. They have all shown great restraint.

I hope their patience and tolerance in the face of idiotic and absurd provocation is rewarded.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 16, 2013, 04:56:41 AM
Having personally being critical of Republicans and Republicanism, in the past, I have to commend their behaviour in the last few days. That applies from the leadership right down to the grassroots, and even to the posters I have clashed with on this site. They have all shown great restraint.

I hope their patience and tolerance in the face of idiotic and absurd provocation is rewarded.

Yup. Sometimes it's better to just sit back and let the boys in the sashes make fools of themselves.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Muzz on July 16, 2013, 07:58:06 AM
Looks like you spoke too soon. Nationalists throwing pipe bomb last night at police.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on July 16, 2013, 08:00:21 AM
Having personally being critical of Republicans and Republicanism, in the past, I have to commend their behaviour in the last few days. That applies from the leadership right down to the grassroots, and even to the posters I have clashed with on this site. They have all shown great restraint.

I hope their patience and tolerance in the face of idiotic and absurd provocation is rewarded.

Them Republicanss are getting a letter together to thank you for your kind words as we speak.



Signed P O'Neill
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 16, 2013, 09:24:07 AM
Looks like you spoke too soon. Nationalists throwing pipe bomb last night at police.

One makeshift device that a child could make thrown by a clown,but in general Republicans have been very restrained and will continue to be so with the support from political reps and others on the ground.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 16, 2013, 09:55:44 AM
Looks like you spoke too soon. Nationalists throwing pipe bomb last night at police.

One makeshift device that a child could make thrown by a clown,but in general Republicans have been very restrained and will continue to be so with the support from political reps and others on the ground.

It was probably one of themmuns anyway who sneaked into Brompton and hinched it across so that there would be some flack directed towards ussuns.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 16, 2013, 10:37:22 AM
Looks like you spoke too soon. Nationalists throwing pipe bomb last night at police.

One makeshift device that a child could make thrown by a clown,but in general Republicans have been very restrained and will continue to be so with the support from political reps and others on the ground.

It was probably one of themmuns anyway who sneaked into Brompton and hinched it across so that there would be some flack directed towards ussuns.

No it was def one of ussuns who are mirror images of themmuns
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 16, 2013, 12:49:56 PM
Here is how the english see the Twelfth

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/protestants-parading-around-like-a-bunch-of-dildos-again-2013071275664 (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/protestants-parading-around-like-a-bunch-of-dildos-again-2013071275664)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: snoopdog on July 16, 2013, 01:04:04 PM
Here is how the english see the Twelfth

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/protestants-parading-around-like-a-bunch-of-dildos-again-2013071275664 (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/protestants-parading-around-like-a-bunch-of-dildos-again-2013071275664)
While hardly a quality publication they make a great point. Lets all go out next year to the 12th and laugh at them. Make fun of their wee flutes and their dainty orange sashes. Imagine how shocked they would be. As someone said earlier there is more culture in a spelga yougart after all 1690 is a long time ago. Us taigs in Down dont go around still celebrating our last All Ireland Title in 94( well maybe sometimes). Maybe get them a few jobs on both sides. its crazy that such a small group of people in the north on both sides keep trying to drag us back to the dark ages. what % of Unionists/loyalists even go to the 12th, a minority i suspect. What is the attraction of watching aul fellas and idiots dressed as soldiers parade up a street?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 16, 2013, 01:06:41 PM
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Us taigs in Down dont go around still celebrating our last All Ireland Title in 94( well maybe sometimes).

In that case you should get that well known coat trailer 5Sams to change his username  :P
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 16, 2013, 01:53:01 PM
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Us taigs in Down dont go around still celebrating our last All Ireland Title in 94( well maybe sometimes).

In that case you should get that well known coat trailer 5Sams to change his username  :P

I've advised him of that before. The lad has no ambition.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 5 Sams on July 16, 2013, 02:23:06 PM
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Us taigs in Down dont go around still celebrating our last All Ireland Title in 94( well maybe sometimes).

In that case you should get that well known coat trailer 5Sams to change his username  :P

I've advised him of that before. The lad has no ambition.


Cheeky hewers ;) It's much better than being called 1 Sam. At least I have 5 coats to trail.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 16, 2013, 02:39:08 PM
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At least I have 5 coats to trail.

If you were in Kerry you'd nearly be fortycoats. Where is bang-bang?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on July 16, 2013, 03:04:59 PM
Lyrics: The Mero
 Somebody`s under the bed
 Whoever can it be?
 I feel so very nervous
 I call for Joanee
 Joanee lights the candle
 But there's nobody there
 Hey! Hi! Diddeleedai
 And out goes she

 Skipping rope still turning
 Children at their play
 In and out of Clarendon Street
 In and out to pray
 I haven't prayed for twenty years
 Or sung a happy song
 Since praying went with innocence
 And the devil played along

 And we all went up to the Mero
 Hey there! Who's your man?
 It's only Johnny '40 coats'
 Sure he's a desperate man
 Bang, bang shoots the buses
 With his golden key
 Hey! Hi! Diddeleedai
 And out goes she

 Me father was a stater
 And me mother loved a tan
 She loved her Hafner's sausages
 And her soldier fancy man
 Noel's up in Jacob's
 And Mary's on the town
 And I joined the transport union
 When they said my nose was brown

 And we all went up to the Mero
 Hey there! Who's your man
 It's Alfie Byrne out walking
 Sure he's a decent man
 Bang, bang shoots the buses
 With his golden key
 Hey! Hi! Diddeleedai
 And out goes she

 I've a tanner for the Mero
 And me confo money's hid
 If Mary's in the family way
 She can blame the Cisco kid
 I'll be langers in the morning
 Me longers need a patch
 Ah, Jesus! There's lone' Martin
 I hope he's won the match

 Me uncle had a wolfhound
 That never had to pee
 But Hairy Lemon snatched it
 Down on Eden quay
 Now I have me primo
 And me scapulars are blue
 For helping the black babies
 And Dolly Fossett too

 And we all went up to the Mero
 Hey there! Who's your man?
 It's Brendan Behan out walking
 Sure he's a ginger man
 Bang, bang shoots the buses
 With his golden key
 Hey! Hi! Diddeleedai
 And out goes she

 It's true that Dublin's changing
 Since the pillar was blown down
 By the winds of violence
 That are buggering up the town
 We used to solve a difference
 With a digging match and a jar
 But now they're all playing bang-bang
 That's going too bleeding far

 And we all go up to the Mero
 Hey there! Who's your man?
 It's only me guardian angel
 Get a large one for your man
 There's no use bleedin` Russia
 Sure now it's the holy hour
 A plenary indulgence
 And another baby power



Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 16, 2013, 04:30:46 PM
The term "Blast Bomb" is been thrown about alot. Is this just a firework they are referring too or what.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 16, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
The term "Blast Bomb" is been thrown about alot. Is this just a firework they are referring too or what.

Been wondering about this myself, surely all bombs are "blast bombs".
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 16, 2013, 05:28:01 PM
Before the trouble broke out, the british terrorists and their politicians were saying that the Parades Commission was influenced by nationalist violence last year. They were shocked that violence can pay dividends.

But now the hand is on the other foot, and they are biting the glove that they feeds them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23320440 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23320440)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 16, 2013, 06:32:56 PM
So nationalists threw the statue on the bonfire? S'pose the apartheid of the statelet from its foundation, gerrymandering, discrimination in jobs and housing and the phoned death threat to Neil Lennon was our fault too ... you really couldn't make these arseholes up
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fionntamhnach on July 16, 2013, 07:56:10 PM
Here is how the english see the Twelfth

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/protestants-parading-around-like-a-bunch-of-dildos-again-2013071275664 (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/protestants-parading-around-like-a-bunch-of-dildos-again-2013071275664)
While hardly a quality publication they make a great point. Lets all go out next year to the 12th and laugh at them. Make fun of their wee flutes and their dainty orange sashes. Imagine how shocked they would be. As someone said earlier there is more culture in a spelga yougart after all 1690 is a long time ago. Us taigs in Down dont go around still celebrating our last All Ireland Title in 94( well maybe sometimes). Maybe get them a few jobs on both sides. its crazy that such a small group of people in the north on both sides keep trying to drag us back to the dark ages. what % of Unionists/loyalists even go to the 12th, a minority i suspect. What is the attraction of watching aul fellas and idiots dressed as soldiers parade up a street?
Well the Daily Mash is a satirical newspaper in the same vein as The Onion - it's hardly aiming to compete with broadsheets on the serious issues!  ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fionntamhnach on July 16, 2013, 08:58:04 PM
So nationalists threw the statue on the bonfire? S'pose the apartheid of the statelet from its foundation, gerrymandering, discrimination in jobs and housing and the phoned death threat to Neil Lennon was our fault too ... you really couldn't make these arseholes up
Was Humphrey wearing a tin foil hat when he made that claim?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 17, 2013, 12:09:49 AM
Ceremonial swords.

Would they be sharp ?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rois on July 17, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
I just drove through nationalist North Queen Street - burned out rubbish on the road and trees that line the road uprooted, set on fire and thrown on the ground.
Don't be too quick to congratulate the restraint of all "nationalists".  What was the point/need for that on North Queen St? 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on July 17, 2013, 09:57:15 AM
I watched the BBC News from London on Sunday night and if you weren't from here until about 3/4 of the way through their report it was difficult to know who was actually rioting
That's because from a GB perspective, all sides are Irish.  :P
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 17, 2013, 10:02:01 AM
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Ceremonial swords
Would they be sharp?

Probably a lot sharper than their owners.

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Don't be too quick to congratulate the restraint of all "nationalists".  What was the point/need for that on North Queen St? 

There isn't any need. But brainless yobs will always avail of an opportunity, the difference is that mainstream nationalist opinion is not making an excuse for them.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 17, 2013, 07:45:23 PM
Here we go again, they're on the road again.


The Orange Order has applied to the Parades Commission to stage a parade in north Belfast on Saturday.

Part of the route would be along the Crumlin Road.

There have been five days of rioting in Northern Ireland since the order was banned from returning along a part of Crumlin Road that separates loyalist and nationalist communities on 12 July.

The Parades Commission is to issue its ruling on the proposed parade on Thursday.

The parade is to start in the Shankill area and proceed to Ligoniel Orange Hall.

Sinn Féin MLA Gerry Kelly said the Orange Order had not learned any lessons from the violence over the last few days and were doing damage to community relations and themselves.

"All this application does is inflame the situation," he said.

"Tensions need to de-escalate not increase, but the Orange Order are still sending out the same confrontational messages.

"Is there anyone with sense in the Orange Order that is going to pull back from this? Where is the leadership?"
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on July 17, 2013, 08:37:01 PM
Here we go again, they're on the road again.


The Orange Order has applied to the Parades Commission to stage a parade in north Belfast on Saturday.

Part of the route would be along the Crumlin Road.

There have been five days of rioting in Northern Ireland since the order was banned from returning along a part of Crumlin Road that separates loyalist and nationalist communities on 12 July.

The Parades Commission is to issue its ruling on the proposed parade on Thursday.

The parade is to start in the Shankill area and proceed to Ligoniel Orange Hall.

Sinn Féin MLA Gerry Kelly said the Orange Order had not learned any lessons from the violence over the last few days and were doing damage to community relations and themselves.

"All this application does is inflame the situation," he said.

"Tensions need to de-escalate not increase, but the Orange Order are still sending out the same confrontational messages.

"Is there anyone with sense in the Orange Order that is going to pull back from this? Where is the leadership?"

Ah jeepers.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: thewobbler on July 17, 2013, 08:43:05 PM
One severe boot in the hole is needed for the OO. It's times like this that a fascist dictator is a more suitable form of government than democracy. Government would be well within their rights to advise that silly buggers will be treated like silly buggers and all marches would be banned if they don't show more sense.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on July 17, 2013, 09:15:13 PM
Can I have a "mutual aid colleague" to do my job?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 17, 2013, 10:46:09 PM
The orange order should be mandated to pay any policing bills from this on saturday.

As we all know anyway-disgrace of an organisation. Even for them this is taking the piss.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 17, 2013, 10:51:16 PM
Hopefully the Parades Commission won't give into them this time either. Hopefully there will be a massive police presence in the area. Hopefully the nationalists in the area will keep their counsel and not bother doing anything stupid. Are there any 'moderate' unionist leaders at all?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 17, 2013, 11:00:13 PM
I heard the lovely Arlene Foster on the radio. She was being pushed on what she thought of this request. All she could say was, "I am glad that they have gone down the proper channels to seek permission." She just kept repeating it.

They have lost it completely.

This annual OO bullshit is on it's deathbed.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 17, 2013, 11:28:37 PM
Is it bollocks. Look at that vote in stormont the other day.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 18, 2013, 12:08:37 AM
Sometimes I feel sorry for Northern Irish unionists. They really have no culture beyond protecting/isolating themselves from us. Can't marry a taig. Shouldn't sell a farm to a taig. Shouldn't attend the funeral of a taig. What a world to exist in. They can eat all the burgers, sausages and candyfloss they like and try and dress up what do whilst they go through their pomp and ceremony but it cannot and doesn't hide the underlying contempt for anything Irish or anyone who would consider themselves Irish (or non unionist).

The good thing is there are many well educated people of the same persuasion as these dafties who see what they stand for and hold them with the very same contempt as nationalists. People who get the chance to interact with ordinary Joes from the otherside soon realise that a sc**bag is a sc**bag regardless of his persuation and they soon learn to walk away when half wit intransigents try to tell them them what to think.


I look forward to the day where we, in this society do not define ourselves by religion
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Main Street on July 18, 2013, 12:36:42 AM
Who ever the eedjit was that threw a pipe-bomb over from the nationalist side should be arrested for sheer stupidity on top of being a vile lunatic. The very best thing nationalists could do was sit peacefully by and let the loyalists make fools of themselves. Giving them any stick to beat the other side with will allow them to play the 'sure they're just as bad' card in the media.

A lad from Belfast by me took the week off and is spending it at his lovely Roscommon holiday home. Do many schedule their holidays to avoid this shite?
Most would rather be trampled over by an Orange parade than spend a week in Roscommon  ;)

I'd bet there's not too many tourists who would feel the same.
Those who have not been accosted by that umbrella seller?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 18, 2013, 12:38:43 AM
I look forward to the day where we, in this society do not define ourselves by religion

Don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

While there are still idiots like we've seen recently, The North will always be a divided society. Even if people aren't blatant bigots, they will generally still live with, socialise and stick with their own kind. That's just how it is here. And it's why Integrated education will never work here either.

I honestly think recent events have put the North back 30 years. Things will never change until the unionists accept that they can no longer do what they have done for the last 300 years. But I don't see that happening any time soon.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Syferus on July 18, 2013, 01:12:04 AM
I look forward to the day where we, in this society do not define ourselves by religion

Don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

While there are still idiots like we've seen recently, The North will always be a divided society. Even if people aren't blatant bigots, they will generally still live with, socialise and stick with their own kind. That's just how it is here. And it's why Integrated education will never work here either.

I honestly think recent events have put the North back 30 years. Things will never change until the unionists accept that they can no longer do what they have done for the last 300 years. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

Put the north back 30 years? Now come the feck on. Just think about what you've said for even a minute.

Why nationalists still allow a silly, ridiculous march to have such power over them is beyond me.

The sensible thing in this day and age is to let them march where ever the hell they want to and go about your daily business. Every last drop of venom and political power the march holds would evaporate almost immediately. Of course the reason that won't happen is because there's plenty of nationalist loons too just spoiling for a fight.

The only way to solve this is for schools and parents to teach their children to not be defined by one aspect of their heritage and making the next generation better able to solve these sorts of situations than the current one.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 18, 2013, 04:11:19 AM
I look forward to the day where we, in this society do not define ourselves by religion

Don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

While there are still idiots like we've seen recently, The North will always be a divided society. Even if people aren't blatant bigots, they will generally still live with, socialise and stick with their own kind. That's just how it is here. And it's why Integrated education will never work here either.

I honestly think recent events have put the North back 30 years. Things will never change until the unionists accept that they can no longer do what they have done for the last 300 years. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

So integrated education will never work in the future because it doesn't exist in the present?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on July 18, 2013, 06:56:49 AM
Principle on this Mandela day to remember: Talk to your enemy.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: J OGorman on July 18, 2013, 09:21:39 AM
I look forward to the day where we, in this society do not define ourselves by religion

Don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

While there are still idiots like we've seen recently, The North will always be a divided society. Even if people aren't blatant bigots, they will generally still live with, socialise and stick with their own kind. That's just how it is here. And it's why Integrated education will never work here either.

I honestly think recent events have put the North back 30 years. Things will never change until the unionists accept that they can no longer do what they have done for the last 300 years. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

i'm sorry lad, but integrated education is the only way in my opinion.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 18, 2013, 09:23:36 AM
Principle on this Mandela day to remember: Talk to your enemy.

+1

Thatcher proved the folly of proclaiming the opposite (even if she was talking to them secretly).
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 18, 2013, 09:26:16 AM
I look forward to the day where we, in this society do not define ourselves by religion

Don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

While there are still idiots like we've seen recently, The North will always be a divided society. Even if people aren't blatant bigots, they will generally still live with, socialise and stick with their own kind. That's just how it is here. And it's why Integrated education will never work here either.

I honestly think recent events have put the North back 30 years. Things will never change until the unionists accept that they can no longer do what they have done for the last 300 years. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

Put the north back 30 years? Now come the feck on. Just think about what you've said for even a minute.

Why nationalists still allow a silly, ridiculous march to have such power over them is beyond me.

The sensible thing in this day and age is to let them march where ever the hell they want to and go about your daily business. Every last drop of venom and political power the march holds would evaporate almost immediately. Of course the reason that won't happen is because there's plenty of nationalist loons too just spoiling for a fight.

The only way to solve this is for schools and parents to teach their children to not be defined by one aspect of their heritage and making the next generation better able to solve these sorts of situations than the current one.

This idea that the marches will magically stop if they are ignored is grounded in absolutely no reality whatsoever. I simply refuse to buy into the cop out argument that residents should wilfully accept sectarian bigots marching through their area playing songs about being up to their knees in fenian blood etc. That argument is a polite way of asking the croppies to just lie down again and accept it. NOBODY should expect a community to just suck it up and live with sectarian hate parades in their areas. The only solutions are dialogue (something orangemen have yet to wake up to) and more responsible leadership from political unionism, the lack of which is chiefly to blame for instigating the loyalist carnage in the past 6-8 months.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on July 18, 2013, 09:26:59 AM
I look forward to the day where we, in this society do not define ourselves by religion

Don't expect that to happen anytime soon.

While there are still idiots like we've seen recently, The North will always be a divided society. Even if people aren't blatant bigots, they will generally still live with, socialise and stick with their own kind. That's just how it is here. And it's why Integrated education will never work here either.

I honestly think recent events have put the North back 30 years. Things will never change until the unionists accept that they can no longer do what they have done for the last 300 years. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

i'm sorry lad, but integrated education is the only way in my opinion.

Yip.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 18, 2013, 10:02:53 AM
One severe boot in the hole is needed for the OO. It's times like this that a fascist dictator is a more suitable form of government than democracy. Government would be well within their rights to advise that silly buggers will be treated like silly buggers and all marches would be banned if they don't show more sense.
Sense is not something you would expect from the OO, just listen to the Raving Rev Mervyn Gibson, more pathetic however was Tom Elliot's feeble attempts to portray this as the OO looking for a way to resolve the situation. Gobshites one and all, with no idea of what a shared future means.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 18, 2013, 10:43:32 AM
. The only solutions are dialogue (something orangemen have yet to wake up to) and more responsible leadership from political unionism, the lack of which is chiefly to blame for instigating the loyalist carnage in the past 6-8 months.


+1.
The spectacle of Robinson and his gang prostrating themselves before the Orange Order is pathetic, just as bad as their total spinelessness in the face of the East Belfast "flegthogs".
Obviously they are Orange Order members first and daren't criticise the Grand bigots in any way.
If they simply told them straight out that their behaviour is unacceptable and would get no backing from Unionist politicians....
But they won't because they are afraid some extremist will then jump in and take their places to lick the bigots' arses.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 18, 2013, 11:19:13 AM
Sometimes I feel sorry for Northern Irish unionists. They really have no culture beyond protecting/isolating themselves from us. Can't marry a taig. Shouldn't sell a farm to a taig. Shouldn't attend the funeral of a taig. What a world to exist in. They can eat all the burgers, sausages and candyfloss they like and try and dress up what do whilst they go through their pomp and ceremony but it cannot and doesn't hide the underlying contempt for anything Irish or anyone who would consider themselves Irish (or non unionist).

Unionism places great emphasis on obstructing change, and that is basically impossible. Nationalism is a simple proposition of Ireland being free to have what self determination, this might have had a vision of a Catholic agrarian society as one point in time, it might now be a more secular society with lots of software engineers now and something else in the future.

Quote from: theskull
The good thing is there are many well educated people of the same persuasion as these dafties who see what they stand for and hold them with the very same contempt as nationalists. People who get the chance to interact with ordinary Joes from the otherside soon realise that a sc**bag is a sc**bag regardless of his persuation and they soon learn to walk away when half wit intransigents try to tell them them what to think.

It is notable on the Belfast Telegraph forum the number of unionist posters who say that these guys are not representing them. But there also are many well educated people, like McCausland or Dodds, who are egging them on, so education alone is not the solution.

Integrated education is not the solution in these cases, because of the ghettoisation of the areas where things are worst. These people do not value education and would seek to remain in the ghetto as it would pretty much ensure that the local school doesn't have any Taigs in it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: gallsman on July 18, 2013, 12:10:02 PM
The good thing is there are many well educated people of the same persuasion as these dafties who see what they stand for and hold them with the very same contempt as nationalists. People who get the chance to interact with ordinary Joes from the otherside soon realise that a sc**bag is a sc**bag regardless of his persuation and they soon learn to walk away when half wit intransigents try to tell them them what to think.

I know plenty of well educated, middle-class Protestants and Unionists who, while they might not be out on the streets chucking bricks at cops or placing their faith in the empty rhetoric of Frazer or Jim Allister, their fundamental views are not so different. They want to live in an equal, shared, peaceful society. So long as their share comes first and the taigs know their place.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 18, 2013, 12:12:27 PM
The leadership of unionism has been shown to be a farce over this last while though. Even moreso than normal.

There is always a scapegoat - alliance, parades commission, police etc etc

Then you have incidents like mccausland and the housing executive, even robinson and the whole iris and housing debacle.

It almost appears like they've decided to forget about trying to mask any bigotry or corruption and just show true colours. Maybe that's what they think will get better votes.

The fact that people are listening to wullie fraser or jamie bryson speaks volumes. How bad can leadership be before people resort to that.

It is not an option to bow down and let them march. If the parades commision allows it then sobeit but if this one on saturday goes through it is a sad sad day for us.

The parades commision is viewed as not being impartial. I don't understand how this can be with the likes of the donegal street march going through and continually breaching conditions. They were meant to talk on this march and then didn't. Their own fault.

Every year a cloud hangs over ni with these marches. If there were  a seamless way of getting rid of them the place would move on years but sadly not!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 18, 2013, 01:16:16 PM
Honestly wouldn't be shocked if the PC allowed this to go ahead as a result of DUP pressure.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnneycool on July 18, 2013, 01:18:55 PM
Honestly wouldn't be shocked if the PC allowed this to go ahead as a result of DUP pressure.

How can they? Nothing has changed since their decision not to allow it back up on the 12th.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 18, 2013, 01:25:03 PM
Honestly wouldn't be shocked if the PC allowed this to go ahead as a result of DUP pressure.

How can they? Nothing has changed since their decision not to allow it back up on the 12th.
You are trying to apply logic and rational thinking! Of course nothing has changed but I just have a feeling that following the recall of Stormont and the motion passing there will have been some malign influence from the DUP.

If it did go ahead it would be an absolutely disgraceful decision and the final nail in the coffin for the PC. The loyalists have said that republicans in Ardoyne were rewarded this year for violence last year. This would be the same scenario.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnneycool on July 18, 2013, 01:31:44 PM
Honestly wouldn't be shocked if the PC allowed this to go ahead as a result of DUP pressure.

How can they? Nothing has changed since their decision not to allow it back up on the 12th.
You are trying to apply logic and rational thinking! Of course nothing has changed but I just have a feeling that following the recall of Stormont and the motion passing there will have been some malign influence from the DUP.

If it did go ahead it would be an absolutely disgraceful decision and the final nail in the coffin for the PC. The loyalists have said that republicans in Ardoyne were rewarded this year for violence last year. This would be the same scenario.

That motion was passed with one solitary vote. Could the Shinners or SDLP not have called for one of those petitions of concern as used by the DUP's recently?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 18, 2013, 01:44:32 PM
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Then you have incidents like mccausland and the housing executive, even robinson and the whole iris and housing debacle.

It almost appears like they've decided to forget about trying to mask any bigotry or corruption and just show true colours.

I think they are trying to mask corruption with bigotry. A version of the fleg dispute where the idea was to be more loyal than Alliance and get the East Belfast seat back. In this case Nelson might lose some votes, so make sure that it is a them and us situation.

Whatever about the short term, this is no good for the DUP in the long term. The hardline unionist population is declining as a percentage of the population. The game to play for is now the middle ground of people who are economic unionists, but have little time for this sort of carry-on. These people will not be impressed by events. Maybe a chance for NI21 to carve some political space?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Ulick on July 18, 2013, 02:03:43 PM
Honestly wouldn't be shocked if the PC allowed this to go ahead as a result of DUP pressure.

How can they? Nothing has changed since their decision not to allow it back up on the 12th.
You are trying to apply logic and rational thinking! Of course nothing has changed but I just have a feeling that following the recall of Stormont and the motion passing there will have been some malign influence from the DUP.

If it did go ahead it would be an absolutely disgraceful decision and the final nail in the coffin for the PC. The loyalists have said that republicans in Ardoyne were rewarded this year for violence last year. This would be the same scenario.

That motion was passed with one solitary vote. Could the Shinners or SDLP not have called for one of those petitions of concern as used by the DUP's recently?

They could have and would have been justified in doing so given the unionists do it at the drop of the hat. However original purpose of the "Petition of Concern" was to block discriminatory legislation being passed to the detriment of minorities and as a last resort measure. It was never intended it would be used to protect bigots like Nelson McCausland from criticism or vetoing motions supporting marriage equality. SF & SDLP both deserve credit for resisting the temptation of invoking the petitions and although they've gotten nothing from the  media for doing so, it helpfully serves to illustrate the cultural differences between the two political traditions in the north. One favours debate and agreement while the other will use any means necessary to stifle debate and preserve their own privileged positions.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 18, 2013, 02:58:55 PM
Pleased to be wrong.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: God14 on July 18, 2013, 03:46:19 PM
Que another week of madness in Belfast. This is turning into another 'flag protest' situation, I fear that many more loyalists from further afield will venture here for support. Could be worse scenes of violence than last week!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Ulick on July 18, 2013, 03:52:41 PM
Que another week of madness in Belfast. This is turning into another 'flag protest' situation, I fear that many more loyalists from further afield will venture here for support. Could be worse scenes of violence than last week!

Nah I reckon it will peter-out like the fleg thing. Realistically only the same spots have been affected and those with any sense are still on holiday.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 18, 2013, 03:53:20 PM
Pleased to be wrong.

Ah sure you must be well used to it by now  :P
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 18, 2013, 03:57:04 PM
Pleased to be wrong.

Ah sure you must be well used to it by now  :P
Lifetime of practice  ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: thejuice on July 18, 2013, 04:10:45 PM
Slugger O'Toole has been silent for a week. This week of all weeks is unusual.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Franko on July 18, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on July 18, 2013, 04:30:14 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

lol Mylenagabhshite.........
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Bingo on July 18, 2013, 04:34:44 PM
Could this cause potential bother for the Springsteen concert on Saturday?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2013, 04:44:06 PM
Hopefully what we're witnessing is the last bark of a dying loyalist dog whose death rattle will follow a couple of years down the line (or sooner, hopefully). They'd be foolish to ignore attitudes in Britain (a place they claim loyalty to). Lot of people over there thought whole thing was settled only to see these thick scum attacking the police ... there's nothing more guaranteed to turn the average Brit against them than that. Time for nationalism to trumpet to the 'mainland' what their failed statelet in Ireland is costing them in taxes
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on July 18, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
Lets break this down into layman's terms..................

1. Orange Order have a history of contentious parades in this North Belfast interface
2. This year's parade is allowed up the road but not back down
3. All Hell breaks loose with many of the people at the heart have their faces covered in their beloved union jacks
4. 4 days later the Orange Order asks to go past the same route in 3 days time
5. Orange Order blames the parade commission for the trouble

Like does this not beggar belief of every single person not only in Ireland but the world?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Ulick on July 18, 2013, 05:08:54 PM
Could this cause potential bother for the Springsteen concert on Saturday?

No. The protests are all localised into a few small hardcore loyalist areas in parts of north and east Belfast. Springsteen in the Kings Hall in south Belfast next to the M1, like the other 97% of the six counties will not be affected.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: deiseach on July 18, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
Could this cause potential bother for the Springsteen concert on Saturday?

I hope so. I'd like to see the Orange Order try to come between Springsteen fans and their concert. Ho boy...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 18, 2013, 05:23:00 PM
Could this cause potential bother for the Springsteen concert on Saturday?

I hope so. I'd like to see the Orange Order try to come between Springsteen fans and their concert. Ho boy...
Darkness on the edge of town.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on July 18, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
Honestly wouldn't be shocked if the PC allowed this to go ahead as a result of DUP pressure.

How can they? Nothing has changed since their decision not to allow it back up on the 12th.
You are trying to apply logic and rational thinking! Of course nothing has changed but I just have a feeling that following the recall of Stormont and the motion passing there will have been some malign influence from the DUP.

If it did go ahead it would be an absolutely disgraceful decision and the final nail in the coffin for the PC. The loyalists have said that republicans in Ardoyne were rewarded this year for violence last year. This would be the same scenario.

That motion was passed with one solitary vote. Could the Shinners or SDLP not have called for one of those petitions of concern as used by the DUP's recently?

They could have and would have been justified in doing so given the unionists do it at the drop of the hat. However original purpose of the "Petition of Concern" was to block discriminatory legislation being passed to the detriment of minorities and as a last resort measure. It was never intended it would be used to protect bigots like Nelson McCausland from criticism or vetoing motions supporting marriage equality. SF & SDLP both deserve credit for resisting the temptation of invoking the petitions and although they've gotten nothing from the  media for doing so, it helpfully serves to illustrate the cultural differences between the two political traditions in the north. One favours debate and agreement while the other will use any means necessary to stifle debate and preserve their own privileged positions.
But in this case there would have been no value in a PoC anyway, would there? They passed a motion (no sniggering at the back!) - unless i'm missing something, it doesn't actually mean anything, it's registering an opinion - it changes nothing.

In the wider context, the PoC mechanism needs to be better defined (i.e. in line with its original intention), with the Speaker ruling on whether its use is valid in each case. As it stands, it's a veto for the DUP (and would be the same for SF is they ever get 30 seats).
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on July 18, 2013, 05:38:56 PM
Speaks volumes that both the DUP and UUP declined to go on Radio Ulster this evening. Is it that neither wants to have to try and defend this move by the OO?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on July 18, 2013, 05:59:55 PM
Hopefully what we're witnessing is the last bark of a dying loyalist dog whose death rattle will follow a couple of years down the line (or sooner, hopefully). They'd be foolish to ignore attitudes in Britain (a place they claim loyalty to). Lot of people over there thought whole thing was settled only there's nothing more guaranteed to turn the average Brit against them than that. Time for nationalism to trumpet to the 'mainland' what their failed statelet in Ireland is costing them in taxes
People in Britain don't give a f**k - Not even about what "their failed statelet in Ireland is costing them in taxes".  The Conservative Party, in particular, don't seem to mind bankrolling Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 18, 2013, 06:02:35 PM
There'll be a row or two tonight.



The Orange Order has been denied permission to walk along a stretch of road in north Belfast at the centre of recent rioting.

Trouble followed a decision to prevent three lodges from walking past Ardoyne shops on the Crumlin Road on 12 July.

The Orange Order proposed a new march on Saturday on the same route.

The Parades Commission, the body that adjudicates on contentious parades in Northern Ireland, ruled on Thursday the proposed parade would not be allowed.

It said it was disappointed that unionist politicians and the organisers of the parade did not make any representations to it.

It noted that it was not a traditional parade, but instead its purpose was to complete the route on which it had placed restrictions on 12 July.

The parade would have walked along a stretch of road that separates loyalist and nationalist communities.

There has been rioting in Northern Ireland on most nights since the 12 July parade was banned march.

In response to the commission's decision, the Orange Order said: "This decision by the Parades Commission to prevent this dignified parade is a further indictment of this already discredited body.

"Amid the obvious anger which has manifested itself over recent days, to which the commission must bear full responsibility, Grand Lodge would once again appeal for calm.

"People are entitled to express their views through peaceful protest in a democratic society - however, those intent on causing trouble should stay away from Saturday's parade.

"Violence is counterproductive and serves no purpose, only damaging the cause of Orangeism."

'Step out of the bubble'
 
Sinn Féin North Belfast assembly member Gerry Kelly, who met with the Parades Commission on Thursday morning, said it had done the right thing.

"It has taken the only logical and sensible decision regarding Saturday's proposed parade," he said.

"Whoever in the Orange Order thought this was a good move needs to reflect on how it has increased tensions and done absolutely nothing to point towards a resolution of the situation.

"The Orange Order in Belfast need to step out of the bubble they are living in."

He said the Orange Order's decision to apply for the parade was "crazy".

'Highly provocative'
 
The SDLP's Alban Maginness also met the commission on Thursday, as did north Belfast priest Father Gary Donegan and Joe Marley from the Crumlin Ardoyne Residents Association (CARA).

Reacting to the commission's decision Mr Maginness said: "I hope that the Orange Order and others will observe and respect this decision.

"The Orange Order might consider that (unionist leaders) Peter Robinson and Mike Nesbitt both urged people in a joint statement from all party leaders to observe the Parades Commission determination before the 12th."

Asked whether he could see an Orange parade along the road in the future, Mr Marley said: "All three loyal orders walk on that contentious stretch of the Crumlin Road five other times a year - there are protests, it is controversial, but I think yeah, why not.

"I think if people come (to talks) with an open mind and a positive outlook, then none of these issues are insurmountable."

Alliance Party councillor John Blair said: "All sides must now respect this decision by the Parades Commission.

"They are the lawful body whose determinations should be abided by. Those who break these determinations are breaking the law."
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 18, 2013, 06:06:16 PM
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the already discredited body

No one has explained irony to them yet then.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 18, 2013, 06:38:06 PM
The knobs are still standing protesting at the top of Twadell Ave. Passed them today on the way from work. Idiots wrapped in Union Jacks and some with sashes on.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 18, 2013, 06:42:52 PM
The knobs are still standing protesting at the top of Twadell Ave. Passed them today on the way from work. Idiots wrapped in Union Jacks and some with sashes on.

They'll be about later on no doubt.


There'll be more fun and games tonight.


Did the postman get past with the bru cheque ?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on July 18, 2013, 07:00:47 PM
The knobs are still standing protesting at the top of Twadell Ave. Passed them today on the way from work. Idiots wrapped in Union Jacks and some with sashes on.
They must have very considerate employers.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 18, 2013, 08:00:52 PM
Hopefully what we're witnessing is the last bark of a dying loyalist dog whose death rattle will follow a couple of years down the line (or sooner, hopefully). They'd be foolish to ignore attitudes in Britain (a place they claim loyalty to). Lot of people over there thought whole thing was settled only there's nothing more guaranteed to turn the average Brit against them than that. Time for nationalism to trumpet to the 'mainland' what their failed statelet in Ireland is costing them in taxes
People in Britain don't give a f**k - Not even about what "their failed statelet in Ireland is costing them in taxes".  The Conservative Party, in particular, don't seem to mind bankrolling Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

You're obviously not a Daily Mail reader. It's their house rag ... and it minds very much
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on July 18, 2013, 08:06:05 PM
Shower of Orange fcuks, haven't even the cop-on to realise when they've been shown up to be the unreconstructed supremacist brainless buffoons that they so plainly are, they have to go and compound their embarrassment! What idiots.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on July 18, 2013, 08:21:07 PM
I'd like to propose a "for example" addendum to the dictionary definition of irony:

For example, it's always the most ignorant, stupid and backward cohort of any society that has supremacist pretensions.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: playwiththewind1st on July 18, 2013, 08:57:42 PM
Shower of Orange fcuks, haven't even the cop-on to realise when they've been shown up to be the unreconstructed supremacist brainless buffoons that they so plainly are, they have to go and compound their embarrassment! What idiots.

PMSL. Richard Haas will have an easy job here.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on July 18, 2013, 09:04:38 PM
Hopefully what we're witnessing is the last bark of a dying loyalist dog whose death rattle will follow a couple of years down the line (or sooner, hopefully). They'd be foolish to ignore attitudes in Britain (a place they claim loyalty to). Lot of people over there thought whole thing was settled only there's nothing more guaranteed to turn the average Brit against them than that. Time for nationalism to trumpet to the 'mainland' what their failed statelet in Ireland is costing them in taxes
People in Britain don't give a f**k - Not even about what "their failed statelet in Ireland is costing them in taxes".  The Conservative Party, in particular, don't seem to mind bankrolling Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

You're obviously not a Daily Mail reader. It's their house rag ... and it minds very much
It (The Daily Mail) may mind, but the Conservative Party does not
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 18, 2013, 11:26:19 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)
What would you have me say, Wanko?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: JUst retired on July 19, 2013, 06:55:22 AM
 Just give us your considered opinion on the stupid decisions taken by the OO in the last 2 mths. :o
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Franko on July 19, 2013, 08:45:42 AM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)
What would you have me say, Wanko?

You've never required my assistance to spout on here before.  I just find it odd that you and your partner in crime become decidedly less opinionated when the PUL brigade step out of line.  Surely you have some sort of an opinion on this issue?  ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 19, 2013, 10:48:58 AM
Could the Shinners or SDLP not have called for one of those petitions of concern as used by the DUP's recently?[/b]

But in this case there would have been no value in a PoC anyway, would there? They passed a motion (no sniggering at the back!) -

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A bit like when Leitrim Co Council passed a Motion declaring Leitrim a "Nuclear Free Zone"  ;D ::)
However SF/SDLP should have gone for a petition in this case just to show the Unionist sheep that they can and that this was a waste of time and taxpayers money.
If not they should simply have not turned up at all and left the Unionist sheep to baa away to themselves at the Orange Order's behest.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 19, 2013, 12:23:35 PM
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/marsden-man-henry-bailiff-sacked-5134573 (http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/marsden-man-henry-bailiff-sacked-5134573)

Not sure if this has been posted but thought it was a wee bit  ;D ;D ;D

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A man has been sacked after posting an alleged racist rant against Catholics on Facebook.

Henry Bailiff, a Protestant Loyalist from Glasgow, raged against Catholics and the Peace Process in Northern Ireland.

Writing last Friday, the Glorious Twelfth or Orangeman’s Day – the day which celebrates the Protestant William of Orange’s victory over the Catholic King James II at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 – Mr Bailiff urged Loyalists to “take up arms” and “murder (and) slaughter the innocent”.

Married father-of-one Mr Bailiff, 50, of Marsden, worked for Longwood-based Yorkshire Hoist Ltd.

The company was named as his employer on his Facebook page and the firm was inundated with complaints after a screen grab of the post was circulated.

The Examiner understands the firm received at least 10 complaints.

The company moved immediately to condemn the remarks and terminated his contract on Monday.

Mr Bailiff, a supervisor with the firm, said he posted the comments after he had been drinking.

Mr Bailiff has also been reported to West Yorkshire Police for allegedly inciting racial hatred and sending a malicious communication.

One of those who complained, a Catholic man from London, told the Examiner he was shocked at the remarks and the timing of them.

He added: “There are a few nasty people on the internet but these remarks were diabolical.

“This man is not from Northern Ireland. He’s from Glasgow and lives in England.

“My family and friends have all been through (the Troubles) and we don’t need people stirring things. It could encourage people to go out and start rioting.”

Mr Bailiff’s post says: “Enough is enough. Peaceful marches and protests just don’t work. IRA and Sinn Fein are where they are today accepted by government because of the peace agreement.

“So every Loyalist lets take up arms lets murder slaughter the innocent let them call us what they want.

“We just might get accepted if we agree to peace, they might even set up Protestant Long Kesh museum.

“They might give European aid. Who says the bomb and gun don’t make a difference?”

Long Kesh is a name given to the Maze Prison blocks where paramilitary prisoners were housed during the Troubles.

Mr Bailiff said he had been forwarded the original post and cut and pasted it on the Protestant Coalition page on Facebook. It then appeared on the timeline on his own page.

He said he had been drinking at the time and now recognised what he said was wrong.

He has apologised to those he offended and said he had since been hounded on Facebook and has since been forced to close his account.

Mr Bailiff confirmed he had been sacked and added: “It was stupid, immature and childish and, believe me, I am regretting it now.

“It was frightening what was happening on my Facebook page and I am really fearing for my family.”

Mr Bailiff said he grew up in Glasgow but left in 1990 and was no longer involved in sectarian campaigning.

The marching season in Belfast exploded into rioting last weekend when 32 police officers were hurt in clashes, forcing hundreds of officers to be sent over from Britain.

The violence erupted after Loyalists protested against a ban on north Belfast Orangemen returning via their traditional route from the main celebration in the city of King William of Orange’s victory.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: deiseach on July 19, 2013, 12:30:37 PM
“It was frightening what was happening on my Facebook page and I am really fearing for my family.”


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 19, 2013, 12:46:32 PM
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/marsden-man-henry-bailiff-sacked-5134573 (http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/marsden-man-henry-bailiff-sacked-5134573)

Not sure if this has been posted but thought it was a wee bit  ;D ;D ;D



Why can our police force not do the same thing here. The LAD page has pulled enough screenshots of some of the more extreme anti Catholic bile on there to keep the Courts busy.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 19, 2013, 12:46:56 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)
What would you have me say, Wanko?

You've never required my assistance to spout on here before.  I just find it odd that you and your partner in crime become decidedly less opinionated when the PUL brigade step out of line.  Surely you have some sort of an opinion on this issue?  ::)
I try to avoid stating the obvious whenever possible. For most people, the recent behaviour of the Orange Order and bandsmen and hangers on in north Belfast has been so obviously wrong, that it almost seems silly - especially for someone from a nationalist background - to say 'that's wrong'. But if it helps you, I think it's wrong.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Franko on July 19, 2013, 01:41:44 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)
What would you have me say, Wanko?

You've never required my assistance to spout on here before.  I just find it odd that you and your partner in crime become decidedly less opinionated when the PUL brigade step out of line.  Surely you have some sort of an opinion on this issue?  ::)
I try to avoid stating the obvious whenever possible. For most people, the recent behaviour of the Orange Order and bandsmen and hangers on in north Belfast has been so obviously wrong, that it almost seems silly - especially for someone from a nationalist background - to say 'that's wrong'. But if it helps you, I think it's wrong.

With all due respect, that's a load of tosh.  If the Nationalists were rioting in the Falls/Short Strand/anywhere else - you and your crony would be all over it like a rash, criticising everone from Gerry Adams to the Pope for their poor leadership or some other such nonsense.  IMO of course.  ;)

Do you have any issue with the fact that the political leaders of Unionism, whilst not overtly condoning what's going on, are giving it tacit approval through things like Tuesday's assembly motion?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on July 19, 2013, 01:45:03 PM
Counsel is leading the witness.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Franko on July 19, 2013, 01:56:38 PM
I suppose that's really my point - it's not often that this particular witness needs to be led.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 19, 2013, 01:58:27 PM
Counsel is leading the witness.

The witness is all too easily led.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 19, 2013, 08:33:58 PM
I was reading a local East Belfast community paper today (don't ask) and noticed this thank you advert. Had to laugh at the figure raised.


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 19, 2013, 08:41:39 PM
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/marsden-man-henry-bailiff-sacked-5134573 (http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/marsden-man-henry-bailiff-sacked-5134573)

Not sure if this has been posted but thought it was a wee bit  ;D ;D ;D



Why can our police force not do the same thing here. The LAD page has pulled enough screenshots of some of the more extreme anti Catholic bile on there to keep the Courts busy.
Is anyone registering formal complaints with the peelers though?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 19, 2013, 11:45:50 PM
I was reading a local East Belfast community paper today (don't ask) and noticed this thank you advert. Had to laugh at the figure raised.




The mask slips.................

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=177811435733015&set=a.173364082844417.1073741828.173359116178247&type=1&theater
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: trileacman on July 19, 2013, 11:51:59 PM
WTF is a microadermabrasion?


I was reading a local East Belfast community paper today (don't ask) and noticed this thank you advert. Had to laugh at the figure raised.



Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 19, 2013, 11:54:18 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)
What would you have me say, Wanko?

You've never required my assistance to spout on here before.  I just find it odd that you and your partner in crime become decidedly less opinionated when the PUL brigade step out of line.  Surely you have some sort of an opinion on this issue?  ::)
I try to avoid stating the obvious whenever possible. For most people, the recent behaviour of the Orange Order and bandsmen and hangers on in north Belfast has been so obviously wrong, that it almost seems silly - especially for someone from a nationalist background - to say 'that's wrong'. But if it helps you, I think it's wrong.

With all due respect, that's a load of tosh.  If the Nationalists were rioting in the Falls/Short Strand/anywhere else - you and your crony would be all over it like a rash, criticising everone from Gerry Adams to the Pope for their poor leadership or some other such nonsense.  IMO of course.  ;)

Do you have any issue with the fact that the political leaders of Unionism, whilst not overtly condoning what's going on, are giving it tacit approval through things like Tuesday's assembly motion?
The political leadership of unionism is woeful, not just on this issue, but generally. Nationalist leaders aren't much better, unfortunately. Gerry Kelly appears to be the voice of reason when it comes to loyalist parades in north Belfast, but I see he's the star speaker at a republican coat trailing exercise in Castlederg in August.
http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news
Double standards, anybody?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 19, 2013, 11:57:00 PM
Twin standards.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 20, 2013, 12:20:33 AM
I was reading a local East Belfast community paper today (don't ask) and noticed this thank you advert. Had to laugh at the figure raised.




The mask slips.................

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=177811435733015&set=a.173364082844417.1073741828.173359116178247&type=1&theater

Phew...now that I have been exposed I won't have to wear my rangers scarf over my face tomorrow, thank feck as I was near past out on the twelth!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 20, 2013, 01:10:52 AM

The political leadership of unionism is woeful, not just on this issue, but generally. Nationalist leaders aren't much better, unfortunately. Gerry Kelly appears to be the voice of reason when it comes to loyalist parades in north Belfast, but I see he's the star speaker at a republican coat trailing exercise in Castlederg in August.
http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news
Double standards, anybody?

And are they going to demand that this triumphalist anti-protestant event in Castelderg be rammed through a protestant area whether the locals like it or not?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 20, 2013, 01:17:33 AM

The political leadership of unionism is woeful, not just on this issue, but generally. Nationalist leaders aren't much better, unfortunately. Gerry Kelly appears to be the voice of reason when it comes to loyalist parades in north Belfast, but I see he's the star speaker at a republican coat trailing exercise in Castlederg in August.
http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news
Double standards, anybody?

And are they going to demand that this triumphalist anti-protestant event in Castelderg be rammed through a protestant area whether the locals like it or not?
Anti-Protestant?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 20, 2013, 01:47:37 AM
Yes. To equate it to an orange march it'd have to be anti-Protestant.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 20, 2013, 02:11:14 AM
Missed the irony first time around. Sorry.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 20, 2013, 06:25:33 AM

The political leadership of unionism is woeful, not just on this issue, but generally. Nationalist leaders aren't much better, unfortunately. Gerry Kelly appears to be the voice of reason when it comes to loyalist parades in north Belfast, but I see he's the star speaker at a republican coat trailing exercise in Castlederg in August.
http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news
Double standards, anybody?

And are they going to demand that this triumphalist anti-protestant event in Castelderg be rammed through a protestant area whether the locals like it or not?
A fair percentage of the locals don't like it, which is why it has made the news. As for being anti protestant: that particular group in our society is often referred to as the PUL community. If someone hates you enough to want to kill you, does it really matter if that hatred is inspired by your religious beliefs, your political views, the colour of your skin, your sexual orientation, etc etc. Members of the PUL were targeted by republicans because of their politics. Now republicans want to parade round the town to celebrate the lives of two members of their death squads. And they don't understand why unionists are offended by this!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: JUst retired on July 20, 2013, 07:06:27 AM
 Myles,dont even go there,Celebrating events,just to mention Dolly`s Brae,loylist bands named after local killers,lodges named after child molesters.And you wonder why we get mad.Wise up,the blame game works both ways.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 20, 2013, 09:23:20 AM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 20, 2013, 09:38:25 AM

The political leadership of unionism is woeful, not just on this issue, but generally. Nationalist leaders aren't much better, unfortunately. Gerry Kelly appears to be the voice of reason when it comes to loyalist parades in north Belfast, but I see he's the star speaker at a republican coat trailing exercise in Castlederg in August.
http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news
Double standards, anybody?

And are they going to demand that this triumphalist anti-protestant event in Castelderg be rammed through a protestant area whether the locals like it or not?
A fair percentage of the locals don't like it, which is why it has made the news. As for being anti protestant: that particular group in our society is often referred to as the PUL community. If someone hates you enough to want to kill you, does it really matter if that hatred is inspired by your religious beliefs, your political views, the colour of your skin, your sexual orientation, etc etc. Members of the PUL were targeted by republicans because of their politics. Now republicans want to parade round the town to celebrate the lives of two members of their death squads. And they don't understand why unionists are offended by this!
and you seemingly don't understand why Nationalist residents don't want the OO and their paramilitary flute bands marching through, past or near their homes! In north Belfast of all places!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 20, 2013, 10:04:43 AM
Orange Order does bring the tourist.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=177744645739694 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=177744645739694)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on July 20, 2013, 10:06:45 AM
Orange Order does bring the tourist.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=177744645739694 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=177744645739694)

Excellent!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 20, 2013, 11:02:20 AM

The political leadership of unionism is woeful, not just on this issue, but generally. Nationalist leaders aren't much better, unfortunately. Gerry Kelly appears to be the voice of reason when it comes to loyalist parades in north Belfast, but I see he's the star speaker at a republican coat trailing exercise in Castlederg in August.
http://www.westtyronesinnfein.com/news
Double standards, anybody?

And are they going to demand that this triumphalist anti-protestant event in Castelderg be rammed through a protestant area whether the locals like it or not?
A fair percentage of the locals don't like it, which is why it has made the news. As for being anti protestant: that particular group in our society is often referred to as the PUL community. If someone hates you enough to want to kill you, does it really matter if that hatred is inspired by your religious beliefs, your political views, the colour of your skin, your sexual orientation, etc etc. Members of the PUL were targeted by republicans because of their politics. Now republicans want to parade round the town to celebrate the lives of two members of their death squads. And they don't understand why unionists are offended by this!
and you seemingly don't understand why Nationalist residents don't want the OO and their paramilitary flute bands marching through, past or near their homes! In north Belfast of all places!
Er...I do understand exactly why loyalist parades are objectionable and I don't think they should be allowed anywhere near interface areas. But I think it ill behoves republicans like Gerry Kelly to be taking this perfectly reasonable position on the one hand, while at the same time taking part in a coat trailing exercise in Castlederg. Provocative parading is either right or its wrong. It's not wrong one day, but okay another time.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 20, 2013, 11:05:35 AM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
So it's okay to have a provocative parade if you have a majority in the area? What is the percentage breakdown at which point it becomes okay? Castlederg is about 60:40, is that your bottom line figure?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 20, 2013, 11:58:46 AM
I have always wondered should the parades commission publish a fully objective set of criteria to measure which parades can be passed and which can not.

If they did I guess it would be hard to guess how to measure it. Maybe a number of objections or something.

The Orange Order should be made to pay the policing costs in north belfast today. I fully believe that. It will never happen mind you.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 20, 2013, 12:25:24 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
So it's okay to have a provocative parade if you have a majority in the area? What is the percentage breakdown at which point it becomes okay? Castlederg is about 60:40, is that your bottom line figure?
You changed the subject to Castlederg's nationalist parade in a majority nationalist town, not me. You seemed to gloss over your lack of comment on the many loyalist parades which march through that same majority nationalist town countless times a year, and the violent sectarian attacks on Catholic people and Catholic owned property which regularly accompanies those particular events. Just like you'd have happily avoided commenting on loyalist rioting in Belfast here until you were called out on it (even though you did almost immediately attempt to change the subject and start a fairly poor whataboutery argument to do so).
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 20, 2013, 12:50:58 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
So it's okay to have a provocative parade if you have a majority in the area? What is the percentage breakdown at which point it becomes okay? Castlederg is about 60:40, is that your bottom line figure?
You changed the subject to Castlederg's nationalist parade in a majority nationalist town, not me. You seemed to gloss over your lack of comment on the many loyalist parades which march through that same majority nationalist town countless times a year, and the violent sectarian attacks on Catholic people and Catholic owned property which regularly accompanies those particular events. Just like you'd have happily avoided commenting on loyalist rioting in Belfast here until you were called out on it (even though you did almost immediately attempt to change the subject and start a fairly poor whataboutery argument to do so).
I've already said I'm against contentious parades, wherever they take place and whomsoever they involve. You - and Gerry Kelly - seem to be against contentious parades when they involve loyalists, but all in favour if they're republican. Feel free to clarify if I've got that wrong. And since you seem to want me to speak out against the blatantly bleedin' obvious each and every time, can I put on record that I'm totally against world hunger, high rates of infant mortality in developing countries, and dog fouling in public areas. That's not an exhaustive list, BTW. I'll add to it as we go along.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 20, 2013, 02:37:01 PM
I think the Orange Order has achieved exactly what it set out to do.

Each of these events re-loads all the historical bigotry, fear and mistrust, and sets the whole society back 30 years.

They only need to do this every decade or so to be effective.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: naka on July 20, 2013, 02:58:38 PM

Not a republican but from my understanding of republican parades they don't go down loyalist streets
Orangeman seem to think Catholics ( not republicans nor nationalists but Catholics as a whole) need to be reminded who is the boss in NI and they don't like it when people stand up to them.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 20, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
So it's okay to have a provocative parade if you have a majority in the area? What is the percentage breakdown at which point it becomes okay? Castlederg is about 60:40, is that your bottom line figure?
You changed the subject to Castlederg's nationalist parade in a majority nationalist town, not me. You seemed to gloss over your lack of comment on the many loyalist parades which march through that same majority nationalist town countless times a year, and the violent sectarian attacks on Catholic people and Catholic owned property which regularly accompanies those particular events. Just like you'd have happily avoided commenting on loyalist rioting in Belfast here until you were called out on it (even though you did almost immediately attempt to change the subject and start a fairly poor whataboutery argument to do so).
I've already said I'm against contentious parades, wherever they take place and whomsoever they involve. You - and Gerry Kelly - seem to be against contentious parades when they involve loyalists, but all in favour if they're republican. Feel free to clarify if I've got that wrong. And since you seem to want me to speak out against the blatantly bleedin' obvious each and every time, can I put on record that I'm totally against world hunger, high rates of infant mortality in developing countries, and dog fouling in public areas. That's not an exhaustive list, BTW. I'll add to it as we go along.
Genuinely interested in the list of contentious nationalist parades passing through predominantly unionist/loyalist areas. Care to offer a list...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 20, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
So it's okay to have a provocative parade if you have a majority in the area? What is the percentage breakdown at which point it becomes okay? Castlederg is about 60:40, is that your bottom line figure?
You changed the subject to Castlederg's nationalist parade in a majority nationalist town, not me. You seemed to gloss over your lack of comment on the many loyalist parades which march through that same majority nationalist town countless times a year, and the violent sectarian attacks on Catholic people and Catholic owned property which regularly accompanies those particular events. Just like you'd have happily avoided commenting on loyalist rioting in Belfast here until you were called out on it (even though you did almost immediately attempt to change the subject and start a fairly poor whataboutery argument to do so).
I've already said I'm against contentious parades, wherever they take place and whomsoever they involve. You - and Gerry Kelly - seem to be against contentious parades when they involve loyalists, but all in favour if they're republican. Feel free to clarify if I've got that wrong. And since you seem to want me to speak out against the blatantly bleedin' obvious each and every time, can I put on record that I'm totally against world hunger, high rates of infant mortality in developing countries, and dog fouling in public areas. That's not an exhaustive list, BTW. I'll add to it as we go along.
Genuinely interested in the list of contentious nationalist parades passing through predominantly unionist/loyalist areas. Care to offer a list...
A parade doesn't have to 'pass through' territory to be contentious. The disputed parade in north Belfast doesn't 'pass through' Ardoyne - it passes between nationalist Ardoyne and loyalist Twaddell Avenue. The Garvaghy Road parade used to pass by a nationalist area rather than through it, while the loyalist march down Clifton Street passes by the nationalist Carrick Hill area. The Castlederg parade is contentious (as I understand) not because it passes through a loyalist area, but because the proposed route takes it past a protestant church, a war memorial and the site of two or three murders of local people by the IRA. Most people would view that as insensitive at the very least. Irish republicans, however, don't do sensitivity unless they themselves have been directly affected. Gerry Kelly can see that a loyalist march past Ardoyne is contentious, but seemingly is incapable of putting himself in the shoes of IRA victims in the Castlederg area. Like I said, leadership on both the unionist and the nationalist side of our society is abysmal.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 20, 2013, 05:36:21 PM
ah jays myles, while i'm against dog fouling etc, I dont think you are comparing like for like there.

a republican parade that you believe is in poor taste isnt quite the same as marching along nationalist st or in front of Catholic churches etc
I'd be interested to hear if there are any let alone many republican marches down loyalist/unionist streets since you (and tony b) have brought it up.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 20, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
New rule: Anyone who claims the Garvaghy Rd is not a nationalist area has to walk from one end of it to the other in a Rangers top, carrying a Union Jack, alone, and unarmed.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 21, 2013, 01:17:52 AM
u be safe enough, its pretty deserted at times lol, try a Tyrone jersey and see how far you get!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 21, 2013, 01:22:43 AM
New rule: Anyone who claims the Garvaghy Rd is not a nationalist area has to walk from one end of it to the other in a Rangers top, carrying a Union Jack, alone, and unarmed.
x2
If there's one thing you're doing walking the length of the g road it's walking through a nationalist area!!  ::) myles you wally
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 21, 2013, 08:20:28 AM
For his next trick he's going to claim the Falls Rd isn't a nationalist area, it's just a road that happens to have nationalist houses and businesses on either side of it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 21, 2013, 09:18:46 AM
I wonder what these boys have planned next. I have a funny feeling they could do something like apply for that parade every weekend.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 21, 2013, 09:19:07 AM
Of course there is an extreme ideology that would espouse that there are no Nationalist areas whatsoever in the 6 counties.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 21, 2013, 10:37:36 AM
I wonder what these boys have planned next. I have a funny feeling they could do something like apply for that parade every weekend.
Have they not already said that is the plan? On the basis of cost the parade should be banned in its entirety never mind the Ardoyne/Twadell section
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 21, 2013, 11:06:18 AM
Of course there is an extreme ideology that would espouse that there are no Nationalist areas whatsoever in the 6 counties.
I know you said it in jest- but thats not extreme at all.
this was (still is but these days not PC so has to remain hidden) the thinking of all loyalist/unionists in the 6 counties.
the nationalist/catholic areas just didnt count.
therefore the oo and loyalist/unionists were at liberty to march anywhere they wanted- though it usually coincided with mostly being through or beside big nationalist areas/streets etc.

this triumphalism was to show who was boss and rub our noses in it.
the same attitude remains today, not one of reconciliation or equality - but the old antagonistic provocative retaliation and trouble seeking one.
Those days the ruc and cohorts would assist in violent attacks against the nationalists (and this just got worse as their bullying escalated into persecution, oppression and violent suppression/killings).
Then people wondered why there was retaliation and why the IRA got volunteers!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 21, 2013, 12:57:24 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
So it's okay to have a provocative parade if you have a majority in the area? What is the percentage breakdown at which point it becomes okay? Castlederg is about 60:40, is that your bottom line figure?
You changed the subject to Castlederg's nationalist parade in a majority nationalist town, not me. You seemed to gloss over your lack of comment on the many loyalist parades which march through that same majority nationalist town countless times a year, and the violent sectarian attacks on Catholic people and Catholic owned property which regularly accompanies those particular events. Just like you'd have happily avoided commenting on loyalist rioting in Belfast here until you were called out on it (even though you did almost immediately attempt to change the subject and start a fairly poor whataboutery argument to do so).
I've already said I'm against contentious parades, wherever they take place and whomsoever they involve. You - and Gerry Kelly - seem to be against contentious parades when they involve loyalists, but all in favour if they're republican. Feel free to clarify if I've got that wrong. And since you seem to want me to speak out against the blatantly bleedin' obvious each and every time, can I put on record that I'm totally against world hunger, high rates of infant mortality in developing countries, and dog fouling in public areas. That's not an exhaustive list, BTW. I'll add to it as we go along.
I find it blatantly obvious that you would be opposed to a single republican parade in Castlederg, but you still EAGERLY brought that up (in order to change the subject when asked about the loyalist riots in Belfast), so no need to get tetchy when it's pointed out that you had never seemed too perturbed by the countless loyalist parades through that mainly Catholic town, saying as they have never warranted a single mention from you.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 21, 2013, 04:30:31 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
So it's okay to have a provocative parade if you have a majority in the area? What is the percentage breakdown at which point it becomes okay? Castlederg is about 60:40, is that your bottom line figure?
You changed the subject to Castlederg's nationalist parade in a majority nationalist town, not me. You seemed to gloss over your lack of comment on the many loyalist parades which march through that same majority nationalist town countless times a year, and the violent sectarian attacks on Catholic people and Catholic owned property which regularly accompanies those particular events. Just like you'd have happily avoided commenting on loyalist rioting in Belfast here until you were called out on it (even though you did almost immediately attempt to change the subject and start a fairly poor whataboutery argument to do so).
I've already said I'm against contentious parades, wherever they take place and whomsoever they involve. You - and Gerry Kelly - seem to be against contentious parades when they involve loyalists, but all in favour if they're republican. Feel free to clarify if I've got that wrong. And since you seem to want me to speak out against the blatantly bleedin' obvious each and every time, can I put on record that I'm totally against world hunger, high rates of infant mortality in developing countries, and dog fouling in public areas. That's not an exhaustive list, BTW. I'll add to it as we go along.
I find it blatantly obvious that you would be opposed to a single republican parade in Castlederg, but you still EAGERLY brought that up (in order to change the subject when asked about the loyalist riots in Belfast), so no need to get tetchy when it's pointed out that you had never seemed too perturbed by the countless loyalist parades through that mainly Catholic town, saying as they have never warranted a single mention from you.
I'm opposed to contentious, coat-trailing parades whether they are republican or loyalist. You've clarified your stance, which is that you're opposed to offensive  loyalist marches, but apply a different set of standards when it's republicans out banging the drum. Pathetic, if predictable.

I'm also opposed to domestic violence, child porn and animal cruelty. I haven't mentioned that before, so I wouldn't want you leaping to conclusions.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 21, 2013, 05:11:06 PM
If a republican parade is going through a republican area then it's hardly "contentious" now, is it?

I say again that the practice of forcing parades through areas where they're not welcome is an exclusively loyalist trait. Your attempts to play the "both sides as bad as each other" card here is pathetic.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 21, 2013, 05:19:43 PM
And the young people ask "What are they marching for?"
And I ask myself the same question.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 21, 2013, 05:56:50 PM
Evil Genius and Myles NaGabshite have also been abnormally quiet recently.  ::)

Luckily, after having nothing to say about loyalist riots until prompted to do so, Myles has appeared in his own whataboutery style in order to almost immediately change the subject to a nationalist parade through a mainly nationalist town in a few weeks. Oddly, he has never come on this board to complain about the countless loyalist parades which go through that same majority nationalist town every single year though.
So it's okay to have a provocative parade if you have a majority in the area? What is the percentage breakdown at which point it becomes okay? Castlederg is about 60:40, is that your bottom line figure?
You changed the subject to Castlederg's nationalist parade in a majority nationalist town, not me. You seemed to gloss over your lack of comment on the many loyalist parades which march through that same majority nationalist town countless times a year, and the violent sectarian attacks on Catholic people and Catholic owned property which regularly accompanies those particular events. Just like you'd have happily avoided commenting on loyalist rioting in Belfast here until you were called out on it (even though you did almost immediately attempt to change the subject and start a fairly poor whataboutery argument to do so).
I've already said I'm against contentious parades, wherever they take place and whomsoever they involve. You - and Gerry Kelly - seem to be against contentious parades when they involve loyalists, but all in favour if they're republican. Feel free to clarify if I've got that wrong. And since you seem to want me to speak out against the blatantly bleedin' obvious each and every time, can I put on record that I'm totally against world hunger, high rates of infant mortality in developing countries, and dog fouling in public areas. That's not an exhaustive list, BTW. I'll add to it as we go along.
I find it blatantly obvious that you would be opposed to a single republican parade in Castlederg, but you still EAGERLY brought that up (in order to change the subject when asked about the loyalist riots in Belfast), so no need to get tetchy when it's pointed out that you had never seemed too perturbed by the countless loyalist parades through that mainly Catholic town, saying as they have never warranted a single mention from you.
I'm opposed to contentious, coat-trailing parades whether they are republican or loyalist. You've clarified your stance, which is that you're opposed to offensive  loyalist marches, but apply a different set of standards when it's republicans out banging the drum. Pathetic, if predictable.

I'm also opposed to domestic violence, child porn and animal cruelty. I haven't mentioned that before, so I wouldn't want you leaping to conclusions.

You must be only a couple of miles from Australia by now ... hope your spade's holding up better than your argument
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 21, 2013, 06:20:48 PM
If a republican parade is going through a republican area then it's hardly "contentious" now, is it?

I say again that the practice of forcing parades through areas where they're not welcome is an exclusively loyalist trait. Your attempts to play the "both sides as bad as each other" card here is pathetic.
My understanding is that the parade is to go through the town centre of Castlederg. Since when was this a republican area?
Not so long ago, republicans objected to and protested against the decision to allow a 'welcome home' rally to British Army soldiers in the centre of Belfast, on the grounds that it would be offensive to victims of state violence.
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/14074
Well to the fore in these protests was one Gerry Kelly. Could this be the same Gerry Kelly who's due to be chief speaker for the Castlederg event? What about the victims of IRA violence, Gerry?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 22, 2013, 12:37:10 AM
This center-of-Castlederg residents' group must be kicking up an awful stink.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 22, 2013, 03:07:10 AM
So let's recap.

"Nationalist area" - Standard definition: area with predominantly or exclusively nationalist residents living in it.

Myles' definition: area with predominantly or exclusively nationalist residents living in it excluding any major roads that might run through it.

"Contentious parade" - Standard definition: parade overwhelmingly opposed by the residents of the area it is to pass through.

Myles' definition: parade with anything remotely iffy about in Myles' mind if he happens to know where to look.

Any other words you'd like to redefine today? Wanna redefine a pistol as a weapon of mass destruction?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 22, 2013, 07:10:43 AM
So let's recap.

"Nationalist area" - Standard definition: area with predominantly or exclusively nationalist residents living in it.

Myles' definition: area with predominantly or exclusively nationalist residents living in it excluding any major roads that might run through it.

"Contentious parade" - Standard definition: parade overwhelmingly opposed by the residents of the area it is to pass through.

Myles' definition: parade with anything remotely iffy about in Myles' mind if he happens to know where to look.

Any other words you'd like to redefine today? Wanna redefine a pistol as a weapon of mass destruction?
'Contentious' - Standard definition: of or likely to cause dispute or contention; controversial
http://ulsterherald.com/2013/07/18/unionists-express-anger-at-glorification-of-terrorism-in-castlederg/
http://www.u.tv/News/Objection-to-Castlederg-republican-event/6c37eb81-c2d8-49c0-8478-fe571530a171
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/unionist-fury-over-ira-tribute-rally-29431827.html

'Double standards' - Speaking after the event Gerry Kelly said,

"We have always made it clear that the singular focus of our protest was the British military parade, and highlighting the plight of those families bereaved as a result of collusion and state violence."
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/14074

Mr Buchanan said the planned parade, which is due to be considered by the Parades Commission, would pass a location where three members of the security forces were murdered by the IRA.
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/unionist-fury-over-ira-tribute-rally-29431827.html
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 22, 2013, 10:38:36 AM
myles, not sure what point your above post is to signify, but I think most of us know what contentious is...

it was asked earlier in response to I believe that you think that all/most republican parades are contentious - can you name where some of these might be?

Certainly we know that a lot if not a hell of a lot of loyalist/unionist parades are cntentious passing by or through obvious nationalist areas/streets etc - but I'd never heard of republican (or AOH) parades doing likewise...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 22, 2013, 11:33:15 AM
myles, not sure what point your above post is to signify, but I think most of us know what contentious is...

it was asked earlier in response to I believe that you think that all/most republican parades are contentious - can you name where some of these might be?

Certainly we know that a lot if not a hell of a lot of loyalist/unionist parades are cntentious passing by or through obvious nationalist areas/streets etc - but I'd never heard of republican (or AOH) parades doing likewise...
Eamonn obviously doesn't, which why I posted the above. A 'contentious' parade doesn't have to 'pass through' an area in order to annoy. The republican protest I highlighted above was about a British Army homecoming parade through Belfast city centre, which doesn't belong to either side. Sometimes a parade through a so called shared space can be offensive for precisely that reason. I agree that many of the loyal order parades are contentious / offensive. My point is that the likes of Gerry Kelly can't call the loyal orders to account on the one hand, yet at the same time support an equally contentious parade just because it happens to be a republican commemoration. That's double standards and poor leadership. The fact that there are fewer such republican parades doesn't alter that fact. Coat trailing parades are either wrong or they're not.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 22, 2013, 01:01:28 PM
with respect,
imo at least - the contentiousness of parades is normally in relation to passing down a shared area or more often in or alongside a completely partisan area (cant think of any republican ones myself only unionist/loyalist ones).

the 'contentious' republican parade you are talking about is not of the same ilk. if I am correct in what you are saying, then it is because it passes by a spot where british soldiers were killed and not because it passes through/by unionist/loyalist area etc ?

people might object to that, but it is only because of what some might deem 'poor taste' rather than because it is through a loyalist/unionist area.
If all parades were to be banned for this, then there would be no parades at all on either side I would reckon.
no loss - many would say.

From your post, you only allude to one or two 'contentious' republican parades - are there any more you know of?
I dont- then again I only know of a couple of parades anyhow.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: deiseach on July 22, 2013, 01:55:42 PM
There is no double standard in viewing the parade of themmuns as being offensive and our parade as being acceptable. It's politics, no different than viewing a certain tax as completely unacceptable when you are in opposition but necessary when you are in government. Where Gerry Kelly is hypocritical is when he applauds the Parades Commission for giving a decision he agrees with but pillories them when they give a decision he doesn't like (http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/24928). And he definitely shows a lack of leadership when he encourages a mob of Bucky-fuelled spides to turn out in 'peaceful protest' when a decision goes against his side. Oh hang on, he doesn't that.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 22, 2013, 03:28:32 PM
Take a look around the so called shared space in our towns,there are plenty of union flags and bunting, there are many parades through out the year which although an inconvenience to the majority they pass of peacefully. And rightly so, and through agreement. The Garvaghy road( which for Myles benefit has a Catholic Church and catholic/nationalist housing running the length of it on both sides), Ardoyne and a handful of other contentious areas is about making sure the catholics know their place. But it also about curbing the growth of the catholic population in what is seen as Protestant heartlands...plain and simple.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 22, 2013, 05:22:30 PM
Dogs piss at bottom of lamp posts and loyalists at the other end. Both desperate to mark out territory and fend off "the enemy". Some nationalist areas ape them but I think there's changes in that behaviour more and more. Encouraging to see less and less flegs on houses. I think only the hardliners are clinging onto their view of the world. A lot of people are moving away I believe
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 22, 2013, 06:12:58 PM
myles, not sure what point your above post is to signify, but I think most of us know what contentious is...

it was asked earlier in response to I believe that you think that all/most republican parades are contentious - can you name where some of these might be?

Certainly we know that a lot if not a hell of a lot of loyalist/unionist parades are cntentious passing by or through obvious nationalist areas/streets etc - but I'd never heard of republican (or AOH) parades doing likewise...
Eamonn obviously doesn't, which why I posted the above. A 'contentious' parade doesn't have to 'pass through' an area in order to annoy. The republican protest I highlighted above was about a British Army homecoming parade through Belfast city centre, which doesn't belong to either side. Sometimes a parade through a so called shared space can be offensive for precisely that reason. I agree that many of the loyal order parades are contentious / offensive. My point is that the likes of Gerry Kelly can't call the loyal orders to account on the one hand, yet at the same time support an equally contentious parade just because it happens to be a republican commemoration. That's double standards and poor leadership. The fact that there are fewer such republican parades doesn't alter that fact. Coat trailing parades are either wrong or they're not.

Jesus wept!   ::)

I give up.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on July 22, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
To be fair to many Unionists like Myles, anything remotely Republican will be offensive, because in their eyes only Republicans did wrong.

Republicans were the sole aggressors and the State was innocent of all wrong-doing (Such wrong doing could include British soldiers shooting men, women and children, UDR soldiers colluding with/being members of paramilitaries, RUC collusion, harassment etc etc).

So no matter where they are, Republican marches will automatically be contentious by the mere fact that they are Republican.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 22, 2013, 06:43:41 PM
To be fair to many Unionists like Myles, anything remotely Republican will be offensive, because in their eyes only Republicans did wrong.

Republicans were the sole aggressors and the State was innocent of all wrong-doing (Such wrong doing could include British soldiers shooting men, women and children, UDR soldiers colluding with/being members of paramilitaries, RUC collusion, harassment etc etc).

So no matter where they are, Republican marches will automatically be contentious by the mere fact that they are Republican.

Myles Na Gobshite a unionist? How very dare you!!! He has always described himself as a nationalist  :P
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 22, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
I mean, how do you reason with someone who resorts to that kind of sophistry to change the meaning of commonly-used words and phrases?  We all know that a "contentious parade" in this context always, always, always refers to a parade being forced through an area where it's not welcome. And yet here he is trying to equate that to a republican parade that's going nowhere near a loyalist area.

Where does he get off?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 22, 2013, 09:23:45 PM
I see that so called "Christian" Minister and Orange leader the REV Gibson  on the Nordie News this evening more or less praising Paramilitaries for being peaceful at their parade on Saturday.
Can you imagine the fury and furore if a Catholic Priest praised Dissident IRAs for something  ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 22, 2013, 09:33:34 PM
I see that so called "Christian" Minister and Orange leader the REV Gibson  on the Nordie News this evening more or less praising Paramilitaries for being peaceful at their parade on Saturday.
Can you imagine the fury and furore if a Catholic Priest praised Dissident IRAs for something  ::)

Not only that admitting that the UVF were there,can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and Nationalists were having a protest and it was said that the IRA was there.All hell would break loose ans SF expelled from Assembley.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 22, 2013, 10:01:15 PM
Gibson a Former branch man, says a lot about his views on law and 'order'
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 22, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
I see that so called "Christian" Minister and Orange leader the REV Gibson  on the Nordie News this evening more or less praising Paramilitaries for being peaceful at their parade on Saturday.
Can you imagine the fury and furore if a Catholic Priest praised Dissident IRAs for something  ::)

Not only that admitting that the UVF were there,can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and Nationalists were having a protest and it was said that the IRA was there.All hell would break loose ans SF expelled from Assembley.

And the establishment down here would be outraged too. RTÉ would have a damning Prime Time programme investigates on it I'm sure!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 22, 2013, 10:39:37 PM
Application in for a parade on saturday ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 22, 2013, 10:44:57 PM
Gibson a Former branch man, says a lot about his views on law and 'order'

Jaysus, they must have let any tube into the RUC if that's the standard that reached detective level ... Columbo had nothing to worry about
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 22, 2013, 10:58:22 PM
I mean, how do you reason with someone who resorts to that kind of sophistry to change the meaning of commonly-used words and phrases?  We all know that a "contentious parade" in this context always, always, always refers to a parade being forced through an area where it's not welcome. And yet here he is trying to equate that to a republican parade that's going nowhere near a loyalist area.

Where does he get off?
Unless it's the British Army parade going through Belfast city centre, of course. But apart from that, always,always, always... :)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 23, 2013, 12:14:31 AM
Quote
Jaysus, they must have let any tube into the RUC if that's the standard that reached detective level ... Columbo had nothing to worry abou
t

He seems to have the same respect for the principles of his present employers, e.g. love thy neighbour, as he had for law and order.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Eamonnca1 on July 23, 2013, 12:55:52 AM
I mean, how do you reason with someone who resorts to that kind of sophistry to change the meaning of commonly-used words and phrases?  We all know that a "contentious parade" in this context always, always, always refers to a parade being forced through an area where it's not welcome. And yet here he is trying to equate that to a republican parade that's going nowhere near a loyalist area.

Where does he get off?
Unless it's the British Army parade going through Belfast city centre, of course. But apart from that, always,always, always... :)

Yeah. Those people living in City Hall and that well known hard core republican residential street Royal Avenue are such bigots, aren't they?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on July 23, 2013, 05:12:04 AM
I mean, how do you reason with someone who resorts to that kind of sophistry to change the meaning of commonly-used words and phrases?  We all know that a "contentious parade" in this context always, always, always refers to a parade being forced through an area where it's not welcome. And yet here he is trying to equate that to a republican parade that's going nowhere near a loyalist area.

Where does he get off?
Unless it's the British Army parade going through Belfast city centre, of course. But apart from that, always,always, always... :)

Yeah. Those people living in City Hall and that well known hard core republican residential street Royal Avenue are such bigots, aren't they?
I think you're making my points for me now, though it's hard to be sure as that last post of yours looks like it could well have been alcohol-assisted.  ;)
You said that 'contentious parades' always, always, always have to be about a march being forced through an area it's not welcome. I've given one example, the British Army parade through Belfast city centre, which sparked a major protest even though it was passing through a shared space.  Sort of blows a hole in your argument, don't you think?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 23, 2013, 10:41:31 AM
Gibson a Former branch man, says a lot about his views on law and 'order'

Also shows you what sort of a "police force" the RUC was.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Count 10 on July 23, 2013, 10:53:09 AM
Time for this ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shDHtNtjfDc
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 23, 2013, 12:46:06 PM
I don't really understand this urge to parade, whether loyalist or republican its not culture. In the case of loyalists or the PULC as they are now known it is coat trailing and nothing more. In the case of republicans it's monkey see monkey do. I can't wait to the boney on the 15th August...bucky galore and an oul statue of the Queen to burn, cud'n bate it !
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 23, 2013, 12:56:57 PM
I don't really understand this urge to parade, whether loyalist or republican its not culture. In the case of loyalists or the PULC as they are now known it is coat trailing and nothing more. In the case of republicans it's monkey see monkey do. I can't wait to the boney on the 15th August...bucky galore and an oul statue of the Queen to burn, cud'n bate it !

Apples that's the problem, it is their culture it is their only form of culture, a few days of the year to run amok to show everyone who is still in charge.

The Ulster scots thing is an attempt to create a form of cultural identity for them so that being a loyalist/ Unionist actually means something, they are completely disenfranchised and abandoned/ neglected by their political leaders.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Onion Bag on July 23, 2013, 02:03:06 PM
They have submitted another application to march down Ardoyne this Saturday afternoon 27th july



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23405187
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 23, 2013, 02:47:27 PM
I don't really understand this urge to parade, whether loyalist or republican its not culture. In the case of loyalists or the PULC as they are now known it is coat trailing and nothing more. In the case of republicans it's monkey see monkey do. I can't wait to the boney on the 15th August...bucky galore and an oul statue of the Queen to burn, cud'n bate it !

Apples that's the problem, it is their culture it is their only form of culture, a few days of the year to run amok to show everyone who is still in charge.

The Ulster scots thing is an attempt to create a form of cultural identity for them so that being a loyalist/ Unionist actually means something, they are completely disenfranchised and abandoned/ neglected by their political leaders.
The Ulster Scots Cultural bits are actually Irish Gaelic in origin having been brought to the Highlands along with the language the Irish around the 4th or 5th centuries, the lowland Scots type dialect they have attached to it isn't culturally connected to the music, song and dance.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 23, 2013, 04:09:38 PM
I don't really understand this urge to parade, whether loyalist or republican its not culture. In the case of loyalists or the PULC as they are now known it is coat trailing and nothing more. In the case of republicans it's monkey see monkey do. I can't wait to the boney on the 15th August...bucky galore and an oul statue of the Queen to burn, cud'n bate it !

Apples that's the problem, it is their culture it is their only form of culture, a few days of the year to run amok to show everyone who is still in charge.

The Ulster scots thing is an attempt to create a form of cultural identity for them so that being a loyalist/ Unionist actually means something, they are completely disenfranchised and abandoned/ neglected by their political leaders.
The Ulster Scots Cultural bits are actually Irish Gaelic in origin having been brought to the Highlands along with the language the Irish around the 4th or 5th centuries, the lowland Scots type dialect they have attached to it isn't culturally connected to the music, song and dance.

Hence my reference to its 'Creation' trying to create a culture from a hybrid of different things, a rubbish dialect and some Irish/Scottish dancing and passing it off as a culture is laughable. But yet it is being recognised and being compared to the Irish language - for shame.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on July 23, 2013, 04:39:52 PM
They have submitted another application to march down Ardoyne this Saturday afternoon 27th july

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23405187

isnt that the definition of insanity ?

repeatedly trying something crazy that didnt work the first (or subsequent) time(s)!!


they really want to force their way down this street where they have no business.
its a fantastic example of the bully boy mentality that fueled the (apartheir-esque) six county establishment from yesteryear that prevails yet today amongst the unionist/loyalist fraternity!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: maddog on July 23, 2013, 04:41:23 PM
Time to call their bluff and tell them anymore nonsense and the lot is banned for next year. Taxpayers money going up in smoke as usual.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: deiseach on July 23, 2013, 04:54:34 PM
They have submitted another application to march down Ardoyne this Saturday afternoon 27th july

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-23405187

isnt that the definition of insanity ?

repeatedly trying something crazy that didnt work the first (or subsequent) time(s)!!


they really want to force their way down this street where they have no business.
its a fantastic example of the bully boy mentality that fueled the (apartheir-esque) six county establishment from yesteryear that prevails yet today amongst the unionist/loyalist fraternity!

I'd love to read one of these 'applications'. You'd probably need asbestos gloves.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 25, 2013, 06:43:37 PM
I think marchers and their followers should all be fitted with those GPS tracker yokes and a device capable of giving an electrical discharge.

Anyone who starts marching down a street prohibited by the Parades Commission would get a 10mA shock. For every step (x) they take down that street, they get another (10mA + xmA) shock.

This way it might be as much fun for Nationalist spectators as it obviously is for Unionist ones.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 25, 2013, 06:49:51 PM
I think marchers and their followers should all be fitted with those GPS tracker yokes and a device capable of giving an electrical discharge.

Anyone who starts marching down a street prohibited by the Parades Commission would get a 10mA shock. For every step (x) they take down that street, they get another (10mA + xmA) shock.

This way it might be as much fun for Nationalist spectators as it obviously is for Unionist ones.

For GPS tracker yokes substitute butt plugs ... well, they are obsessed with the 'queen's highway'
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: playwiththewind1st on July 25, 2013, 07:40:07 PM
I think marchers and their followers should all be fitted with those GPS tracker yokes and a device capable of giving an electrical discharge.

Anyone who starts marching down a street prohibited by the Parades Commission would get a 10mA shock. For every step (x) they take down that street, they get another (10mA + xmA) shock.

This way it might be as much fun for Nationalist spectators as it obviously is for Unionist ones.

Get an ever bigger shock next time, when they decide to take a leak outside St Matthew's.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Count 10 on July 27, 2013, 05:33:40 AM
Bin lids anyone? ;)


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/dissidents-plan-belfast-rally-permission-sought-for-5000strong-internment-anniversary-parade-29446864.html
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 27, 2013, 03:35:57 PM
Bin lids anyone? ;)


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/dissidents-plan-belfast-rally-permission-sought-for-5000strong-internment-anniversary-parade-29446864.html

Be interesting to see if they can get 5000 binlids, more like 500 and 6 bands from Scotland
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on August 01, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
I see the parade in Castlederg has had heavy restrictions imposed. Sinn Féin really lose any moral high ground on the marching issue with parades like this. Totally insensitive and makes a mockery of all the talk of unionist outreach.

I'm also struggling to understand how the centre of Castlederg is a "shared space" when the Crumlin Road isn't.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on August 01, 2013, 08:11:03 PM
I see the parade in Castlederg has had heavy restrictions imposed. Sinn Féin really lose any moral high ground on the marching issue with parades like this. Totally insensitive and makes a mockery of all the talk of unionist outreach.

I'm also struggling to understand how the centre of Castlederg is a "shared space" when the Crumlin Road isn't.
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Balls,SF have a right to commemorate their dead and offered to reroute something the loyal orders have never done.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Puckoon on August 01, 2013, 08:16:03 PM
Having "the right" does not necessarily mean its the right thing to exercise it, particularly when the position exists to show leadership, and a genuine desire for a shared future while the neanderthals on the loyalist/unionist side demonstrate their total loss of control
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on August 01, 2013, 08:26:46 PM
Having "the right" does not necessarily mean its the right thing to exercise it, particularly when the position exists to show leadership, and a genuine desire for a shared future while the neanderthals on the loyalist/unionist side demonstrate their total loss of control

Sorry but SF will not abandon the families of dead volunteers, they will always join them in remembering their loved ones.A shared future means we all should be allowed to remember our past as long as its done with respect and by offering to reroute I believe SF tried to do that.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Puckoon on August 01, 2013, 08:34:33 PM
Hey, its just an alternative view point, one I think has merits when we have neanderthals on their side accusing us of the same behaviour on our side.

Maybe you can cure my curiousity - why is the march in the Derg as opposed to somewhere with a more republican tradition?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on August 01, 2013, 08:38:59 PM
Hey, its just an alternative view point, one I think has merits when we have neanderthals on their side accusing us of the same behaviour on our side.

Maybe you can cure my curiousity - why is the march in the Derg as opposed to somewhere with a more republican tradition?

It's the annual Tyrone commemoration and its in Castlederg this year as its the 40 th anniversary of two volunteers who were killed when a bomb they were carrying exploded prematurely
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Denn Forever on August 01, 2013, 08:45:52 PM
Hey, its just an alternative view point, one I think has merits when we have neanderthals on their side accusing us of the same behaviour on our side.

Maybe you can cure my curiousity - why is the march in the Derg as opposed to somewhere with a more republican tradition?

As far as I can gather, Tyrone SF (or who  ever it is) have an annual commemoration for Tyrone and have it at various locations around Tyrone.  This year it was Castlederg's turn.. Why they want to march I don't know.  Have the commemoration in a central location.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on August 01, 2013, 09:11:17 PM
Hey, its just an alternative view point, one I think has merits when we have neanderthals on their side accusing us of the same behaviour on our side.

Maybe you can cure my curiousity - why is the march in the Derg as opposed to somewhere with a more republican tradition?

It's the annual Tyrone commemoration and its in Castlederg this year as its the 40 th anniversary of two volunteers who were killed when a bomb they were carrying exploded prematurely
That would be the same bomb that they were planning to kill and maim others with - Hardly worth commemorating in my opinion.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on August 01, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Hey, its just an alternative view point, one I think has merits when we have neanderthals on their side accusing us of the same behaviour on our side.

Maybe you can cure my curiousity - why is the march in the Derg as opposed to somewhere with a more republican tradition?

It's the annual Tyrone commemoration and its in Castlederg this year as its the 40 th anniversary of two volunteers who were killed when a bomb they were carrying exploded prematurely
That would be the same bomb that they were planning to kill and maim others with - Hardly worth commemorating in my opinion.

And you are entitled to that opinion. ;)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on August 01, 2013, 09:55:49 PM
I see the parade in Castlederg has had heavy restrictions imposed. Sinn Féin really lose any moral high ground on the marching issue with parades like this. Totally insensitive and makes a mockery of all the talk of unionist outreach.

I'm also struggling to understand how the centre of Castlederg is a "shared space" when the Crumlin Road isn't.

Balls,SF have a right to commemorate their dead and offered to reroute something the loyal orders have never done.
With rights come responsibilities.

And it's hardly appropriate to cite the loyal orders as a benchmark of what's right. Sinn Féin talk the talk about unionist outreach, but actions like these don't equate.

I'm still not clear how the centre of Castlederg is a shared space, yet the Crumlin Road isn't.

I'll admit also that I don't see the point in parading, regardless of who's doing it. Even moreso when it's not wanted.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on August 01, 2013, 10:07:05 PM
Having "the right" does not necessarily mean its the right thing to exercise it, particularly when the position exists to show leadership, and a genuine desire for a shared future while the neanderthals on the loyalist/unionist side demonstrate their total loss of control

Sorry but SF will not abandon the families of dead volunteers, they will always join them in remembering their loved ones.A shared future means we all should be allowed to remember our past as long as its done with respect and by offering to reroute I believe SF tried to do that.
How can this be considered to be "done with respect" when it's marking the death of those who were on their way to the same town with a bomb? The 're-route' was nothing more than a token gesture to make it appear that SF was being accommodating whilst the Unionists were being unreasonable.

The thing is, as bad and insensitive a decision as it was to have this parade in the first place, SF had the opportunity to show they were listening to concerns, move their parade somewhere else, thereby making themselves look very reasonable (reaching out to their Unionist neighbours), and the Orange Order, by comparison, very unreasonable. As it is, we now have SF giving out about a decision by the Parades Commission to place restrictions on a contentious parade. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on August 01, 2013, 10:09:57 PM
Having "the right" does not necessarily mean its the right thing to exercise it, particularly when the position exists to show leadership, and a genuine desire for a shared future while the neanderthals on the loyalist/unionist side demonstrate their total loss of control

Sorry but SF will not abandon the families of dead volunteers, they will always join them in remembering their loved ones.A shared future means we all should be allowed to remember our past as long as its done with respect and by offering to reroute I believe SF tried to do that.
How can this be considered to be "done with respect" when it's marking the death of those who were on their way to the same town with a bomb? The 're-route' was nothing more than a token gesture to make it appear that SF was being accommodating whilst the Unionists were being unreasonable.

The thing is, as bad and insensitive a decision as it was to have this parade in the first place, SF had the opportunity to show they were listening to concerns, move their parade somewhere else, thereby making themselves look very reasonable (reaching out to their Unionist neighbours), and the Orange Order, by comparison, very unreasonable. As it is, we now have SF giving out about a decision by the Parades Commission to place restrictions on a contentious parade. Sound familiar?

It remains to be seen if they will accept the decision and use the amended route or if they will march to police lines and wreck the place.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on August 01, 2013, 10:18:55 PM
Having "the right" does not necessarily mean its the right thing to exercise it, particularly when the position exists to show leadership, and a genuine desire for a shared future while the neanderthals on the loyalist/unionist side demonstrate their total loss of control

Sorry but SF will not abandon the families of dead volunteers, they will always join them in remembering their loved ones.A shared future means we all should be allowed to remember our past as long as its done with respect and by offering to reroute I believe SF tried to do that.
How can this be considered to be "done with respect" when it's marking the death of those who were on their way to the same town with a bomb? The 're-route' was nothing more than a token gesture to make it appear that SF was being accommodating whilst the Unionists were being unreasonable.

The thing is, as bad and insensitive a decision as it was to have this parade in the first place, SF had the opportunity to show they were listening to concerns, move their parade somewhere else, thereby making themselves look very reasonable (reaching out to their Unionist neighbours), and the Orange Order, by comparison, very unreasonable. As it is, we now have SF giving out about a decision by the Parades Commission to place restrictions on a contentious parade. Sound familiar?

It remains to be seen if they will accept the decision and use the amended route or if they will march to police lines and wreck the place.
I expect they'll ensure it's the former. They wouldn't be able to speak with any authority if the latter happened - especially when it's a SF parade. But the opportunity was there to set a real example.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on August 02, 2013, 06:31:37 AM
Having "the right" does not necessarily mean its the right thing to exercise it, particularly when the position exists to show leadership, and a genuine desire for a shared future while the neanderthals on the loyalist/unionist side demonstrate their total loss of control

Sorry but SF will not abandon the families of dead volunteers, they will always join them in remembering their loved ones.A shared future means we all should be allowed to remember our past as long as its done with respect and by offering to reroute I believe SF tried to do that.
If the UDA / UVF decided to march to commemorate their dead volunteers and a mainstream unionist politician was giving the main speech, nationalists and republicans would quite naturally outraged. Why should it be different when it's members of IRA death squads being remembered?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on August 02, 2013, 07:25:22 AM
Having "the right" does not necessarily mean its the right thing to exercise it, particularly when the position exists to show leadership, and a genuine desire for a shared future while the neanderthals on the loyalist/unionist side demonstrate their total loss of control

Sorry but SF will not abandon the families of dead volunteers, they will always join them in remembering their loved ones.A shared future means we all should be allowed to remember our past as long as its done with respect and by offering to reroute I believe SF tried to do that.
If the UDA / UVF decided to march to commemorate their dead volunteers and a mainstream unionist politician was giving the main speech, nationalists and republicans would quite naturally outraged. Why should it be different when it's members of IRA death squads being remembered?
Surely you are aware of the sinister association which the OO keeps with UVF/UDA aligned flute bands. They are quite happy to not only march alongside these bands, but to also lobby their 'right' to march alongside them through contentious routes e.g. in North Belfast.

We all know that mainstream DUP members have shady pasts and associations with Loyalist and state paramilitaries, the hypocrisy from them really is something to behold.

RE the actual march, I don't think it should go ahead full stop. I don't see how a march is needed to commemorate anyone. Surely an event at a particular location would suffice.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on August 02, 2013, 08:06:59 AM
PR disaster from SF. They had the opportunity to be magnanimous by holding the commemoration in a field and in doing so keep their foot on the throat of the OO. The OO in the Crumlin Road and elsewhere now have further fuel for their feeling of persecution.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on August 02, 2013, 08:27:40 AM
Having "the right" does not necessarily mean its the right thing to exercise it, particularly when the position exists to show leadership, and a genuine desire for a shared future while the neanderthals on the loyalist/unionist side demonstrate their total loss of control

Sorry but SF will not abandon the families of dead volunteers, they will always join them in remembering their loved ones.A shared future means we all should be allowed to remember our past as long as its done with respect and by offering to reroute I believe SF tried to do that.
If the UDA / UVF decided to march to commemorate their dead volunteers and a mainstream unionist politician was giving the main speech, nationalists and republicans would quite naturally outraged. Why should it be different when it's members of IRA death squads being remembered?

Have you seen some of the OO parades, perfectly described by you above.

SF might not have played this as well as they could have but they have still shown the willingness to sit down and at least discuss the possibility of compromise. Even this small gesture shows the OO for what they are.

The rights and wrongs of the parade could be discussed all day, those who dont want it never will and those that do see it as their right as part of a war to commemorate their fallen comrades. Just another part of conflict resolution.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tonto on August 02, 2013, 08:39:48 AM
Anyone who thinks that PSF made a genuine compromise needs their head looked at.

In the first instance they applied for something they knew would be too controversial so that just before a decision was made they would look like they were willing to compromise; thereby walking away with exactly what they actually wanted.

Come to think of it, maybe the OO should apply to parade right through Ardoyne, then just before a decision is made, change to a route to go past, I dunno, a few shops.  Compromise - the way forward.

PS delighted to see PSFs mask slip on this again.  Just a pity that in this day and age a governing party of the UK still feel the need to honour those who wished to blow up a small country town.

Time for PSF to become decent.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on August 02, 2013, 08:43:05 AM
Why do republicans feel the need to ape unionist culture. That's how I see it. They're copying what we all despise. There is zero need to drag themselves down to the OOs level to win some phoney equality but that's what they appear to be doing.
Personally wish parading as a pastime was never invented. Vision's of many hangers on on Sunday from both sides, basking in the controversy. Completely and utterly pointless
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on August 02, 2013, 09:19:40 AM
Why do republicans feel the need to ape unionist culture. That's how I see it. They're copying what we all despise. There is zero need to drag themselves down to the OOs level to win some phoney equality but that's what they appear to be doing.
Personally wish parading as a pastime was never invented. Vision's of many hangers on on Sunday from both sides, basking in the controversy. Completely and utterly pointless

+1
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on August 02, 2013, 09:27:04 AM
I've heard that SF were half-hoping that this parade would get banned so that they could set some sort of precedent for future OO parades, but I dunno how much weighting to give that assertion.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on August 02, 2013, 09:36:02 AM
I've heard that SF were half-hoping that this parade would get banned so that they could set some sort of precedent for future OO parades, but I dunno how much weighting to give that assertion.

Just a bit of information for you,the parade cannot be banned and SF know that so you are listening to crap.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: qubdub on August 02, 2013, 09:42:25 AM
I've heard that SF were half-hoping that this parade would get banned so that they could set some sort of precedent for future OO parades, but I dunno how much weighting to give that assertion.

Just a bit of information for you,the parade cannot be banned and SF know that so you are listening to crap.
Every day's a school day.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: naka on August 02, 2013, 09:49:17 AM
can we just ban all parades 8)
seems to me a sensible suggestion

on another thought the fkers who are complaining will just find something else to hang on to
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on August 02, 2013, 09:52:41 AM
The OO is actually damaging the PUl cause by their carry-on and SF carry-on is often an embarrassment to nationalism. SF are more flexible though, because their voters demand it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on August 02, 2013, 10:49:26 AM
Why not have an event in a 'green' area of the town. Some sort speechs, bit of music, burger vans and let that be that. Are the two dead 'volunteers' going to be more honoured by marching through the diamond? I hardly think so. I fully agree with the right to honour the people who died during the conflict. I just don't see the need to march around the place to do it like our unionist brethren. We are not that insecure or sort on real culture.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on August 02, 2013, 11:04:24 AM
Just a pity that in this day and age a governing party of the UK still feel the need to honour those who wished to blow up a small country town.

Time for PSF to become decent.

Do you want them to be like  the UK government ( and opposition) parties who never honour the memory of those who bombed Dresden, Hamburg, Iraqi towns, Afghan towns, murdered civilians ( like e.g in Derry) all over Ireland in the 20th Century etc and so on ad nauseum for hundreds of years.
Is that the kind of decency you have in mind  you oul blinkered hypocrite. ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on August 02, 2013, 11:12:17 AM
I don't believe any cause is worth a life. I can't understand why people feel the need to march. That said I am dumbfounded by the straight faced hypocrisy of unionist politicians. The only difference between all vintages of the IRA, the British Army and the old UVF is time and which side they were on. A truly shared future and parity of esteem means acknowledging all allegiances, orange and green and all flags and emblems as being equal. That particular penny hasn't quite dropped for unionists.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: give her dixie on August 02, 2013, 11:41:24 AM
"Sinn Fein minister Caral Ni Chuilin: I'll consider funding regalia for marching bands"

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-minister-caral-ni-chuilin-ill-consider-funding-regalia-for-marching-bands-29362001.html
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on August 02, 2013, 02:05:41 PM
I don't believe any cause is worth a life. I can't understand why people feel the need to march. That said I am dumbfounded by the straight faced hypocrisy of unionist politicians. The only difference between all vintages of the IRA, the British Army and the old UVF is time and which side they were on. A truly shared future and parity of esteem means acknowledging all allegiances, orange and green and all flags and emblems as being equal. That particular penny hasn't quite dropped for unionists.
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on August 02, 2013, 02:44:48 PM
I don't believe any cause is worth a life. I can't understand why people feel the need to march. That said I am dumbfounded by the straight faced hypocrisy of unionist politicians. The only difference between all vintages of the IRA, the British Army and the old UVF is time and which side they were on. A truly shared future and parity of esteem means acknowledging all allegiances, orange and green and all flags and emblems as being equal. That particular penny hasn't quite dropped for unionists.
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
it would be nice to think that mng, but we all know that the british army lead unionist/loyalist death squads - so in this case it is comparing like with like when you lump the british army/ruc/udr etc etc in with uvf/lvf/ira etc.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on August 02, 2013, 02:47:55 PM
As Alex Kane said only last week, Sinn Fein are experts at laying a trap for unionists to walk into every time, hence with this parade.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on August 02, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
I don't believe any cause is worth a life. I can't understand why people feel the need to march. That said I am dumbfounded by the straight faced hypocrisy of unionist politicians. The only difference between all vintages of the IRA, the British Army and the old UVF is time and which side they were on. A truly shared future and parity of esteem means acknowledging all allegiances, orange and green and all flags and emblems as being equal. That particular penny hasn't quite dropped for unionists.
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
it would be nice to think that mng, but we all know that the british army lead unionist/loyalist death squads - so in this case it is comparing like with like when you lump the british army/ruc/udr etc etc in with uvf/lvf/ira etc.

It wasn't just here they did it, they did it in every part of their empire (i.e., stolen countries and all their resources) where the native people rose up against oppression. Only last month William Hague apologised in the Commons for the Brits' murderous regime in Kenya ... take your blinkers off myles na gobshite
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: deiseach on August 02, 2013, 03:24:22 PM
I don't believe any cause is worth a life. I can't understand why people feel the need to march. That said I am dumbfounded by the straight faced hypocrisy of unionist politicians. The only difference between all vintages of the IRA, the British Army and the old UVF is time and which side they were on. A truly shared future and parity of esteem means acknowledging all allegiances, orange and green and all flags and emblems as being equal. That particular penny hasn't quite dropped for unionists.
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.

The terrorist is the one with the small bomb - Brendan Behan
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on August 02, 2013, 03:31:29 PM
I don't believe any cause is worth a life. I can't understand why people feel the need to march. That said I am dumbfounded by the straight faced hypocrisy of unionist politicians. The only difference between all vintages of the IRA, the British Army and the old UVF is time and which side they were on. A truly shared future and parity of esteem means acknowledging all allegiances, orange and green and all flags and emblems as being equal. That particular penny hasn't quite dropped for unionists.
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.

The terrorist is the one with the smaller bomb - Brendan Behan

Fixed that for you D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on August 02, 2013, 03:38:16 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on August 02, 2013, 04:00:46 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on August 02, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on August 02, 2013, 07:01:12 PM
Were they glad they were shot by regular soldiers though?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on August 02, 2013, 07:56:21 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
Regular forces of sovereign democracies are accountable to their governments, who in turn are accountable to the people who elect them. The Vietnam war was brought to an end because American public opinion was sickened by the war, both by the casualties their forces were suffering and by the way in which their forces were behaving in places like My Lai. Tony Blair lost his reputation as an otherwise half decent prime minister because it was thought he had conned the public into an unpopular war in Iraq. Irregular forces generally don't have the same level of accountability. In the early 70s, the IRA defied public opinion throughout the island of Ireland by continuing to wage its campaign of violence, despite the mounting toll of civilian casualties caused by its bombing of city centres in the north and in England. Only when Sinn Fein started pursuing votes in the 80s and 90s did republicans start taking heed of the Irish people's wishes on their so called armed struggle.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: tyssam5 on August 02, 2013, 08:06:46 PM
That was a terrific deconstruction of the point you were previously attempting to make!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on August 02, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
'Regular forces of sovereign democracies are accountable to their governments'

That would be why so many who committed crimes - including murder - here were sent to prison, sorry, er, slapped on the wrist, sent back to their regiments and promoted?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on August 02, 2013, 09:27:43 PM
Quote
That would be why so many who committed crimes - including murder - here were sent to prison, sorry, er, slapped on the wrist, sent back to their regiments and promoted?

Because they only shot Paddies.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on August 02, 2013, 10:18:37 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?

War crimes. The current British government must be fed up with the amount of apology's they are being forced into issuing these days.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on August 02, 2013, 10:28:28 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?

War crimes. The current British government must be fed up with the amount of apology's ies they are being forced into issuing these days.
Fixed that for you  before Myles rides in to put you down.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on August 02, 2013, 10:46:55 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?

War crimes. The current British government must be fed up with the amount of apology's they are being forced into issuing these days.
So presumably the murder of police and army personnel by IRA "soldiers" were war crimes too then?   
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on August 03, 2013, 12:13:59 AM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?

War crimes. The current British government must be fed up with the amount of apology's they are being forced into issuing these days.
So presumably the murder of police and army personnel by IRA "soldiers" were war crimes too then?

Not at all. That was active service.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on August 03, 2013, 10:25:17 AM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?

War crimes. The current British government must be fed up with the amount of apology's they are being forced into issuing these days.
So presumably the murder of police and army personnel by IRA "soldiers" were war crimes too then?

Not at all. That was active service.
Not quite sure if you are taking the piss or not?  You can't have it both ways.  If it was a war as you say, the IRA men shot at Loughgall were surely on active service too?  Live by the sword, die by the sword and all that - You can't suddenly start bleating about war crimes when things don't work out as planned.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on August 03, 2013, 11:50:11 AM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?

War crimes. The current British government must be fed up with the amount of apology's they are being forced into issuing these days.
So presumably the murder of police and army personnel by IRA "soldiers" were war crimes too then?

Not at all. That was active service.
Not quite sure if you are taking the piss or not?  You can't have it both ways.  If it was a war as you say, the IRA men shot at Loughgall were surely on active service too?  Live by the sword, die by the sword and all that - You can't suddenly start bleating about war crimes when things don't work out as planned.
Britain has never acknowledged that they were in a war. For that reason alone, they had no right to sanction and engage in Shoot to Kill operations (never mind the vast scale of collusion in the murders of innocents).
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: haveaharp on August 03, 2013, 11:54:43 AM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?

War crimes. The current British government must be fed up with the amount of apology's they are being forced into issuing these days.
So presumably the murder of police and army personnel by IRA "soldiers" were war crimes too then?

Not at all. That was active service.
Not quite sure if you are taking the piss or not?  You can't have it both ways. 

If Michaelg you are saying or accepting it was a war to suit your Loughgall argument then surely the maze prisoners should have been treated as prisoners of war. You cant have it both ways.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on August 03, 2013, 12:17:35 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
Regular forces of sovereign democracies are accountable to their governments, who in turn are accountable to the people who elect them. The Vietnam war was brought to an end because American public opinion was sickened by the war, both by the casualties their forces were suffering and by the way in which their forces were behaving in places like My Lai. Tony Blair lost his reputation as an otherwise half decent prime minister because it was thought he had conned the public into an unpopular war in Iraq. Irregular forces generally don't have the same level of accountability. In the early 70s, the IRA defied public opinion throughout the island of Ireland by continuing to wage its campaign of violence, despite the mounting toll of civilian casualties caused by its bombing of city centres in the north and in England. Only when Sinn Fein started pursuing votes in the 80s and 90s did republicans start taking heed of the Irish people's wishes on their so called armed struggle.
i'd not be giving sf that much credit- you have to admit that once the british lead establishment started treating nationalist/Irish/catholic people like people and not animals and second class citizens, and the program of oppression and persecution was eased off (dont know if you can say it has completely stopped but is negligible now) that the militant violence stopped.
partity and the right to life and the right to live is all that we wanted. that is now mostly there (though youd wonder with some of the decisions that are still made and the lack of equal treatment eg towards protestors on the streets- but a minor detail imo compared to yesteryear).

interestingly when the british army/gov/establishment stopped colluding with the uvf/lvf/uup/dup purveyors of violence - the problems mostly stopped.
so a comparison with british army/gov/establishment to the local violent gangs is correct.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on August 03, 2013, 12:45:07 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
Regular forces of sovereign democracies are accountable to their governments, who in turn are accountable to the people who elect them. The Vietnam war was brought to an end because American public opinion was sickened by the war, both by the casualties their forces were suffering and by the way in which their forces were behaving in places like My Lai. Tony Blair lost his reputation as an otherwise half decent prime minister because it was thought he had conned the public into an unpopular war in Iraq. Irregular forces generally don't have the same level of accountability. In the early 70s, the IRA defied public opinion throughout the island of Ireland by continuing to wage its campaign of violence, despite the mounting toll of civilian casualties caused by its bombing of city centres in the north and in England. Only when Sinn Fein started pursuing votes in the 80s and 90s did republicans start taking heed of the Irish people's wishes on their so called armed struggle.
i'd not be giving sf that much credit- you have to admit that once the british lead establishment started treating nationalist/Irish/catholic people like people and not animals and second class citizens, and the program of oppression and persecution was eased off (dont know if you can say it has completely stopped but is negligible now) that the militant violence stopped.
partity and the right to life and the right to live is all that we wanted. that is now mostly there (though youd wonder with some of the decisions that are still made and the lack of equal treatment eg towards protestors on the streets- but a minor detail imo compared to yesteryear).

interestingly when the british army/gov/establishment stopped colluding with the uvf/lvf/uup/dup purveyors of violence - the problems mostly stopped.
so a comparison with british army/gov/establishment to the local violent gangs is correct.
Eh, no. Unless the "programme of oppression and persecution" only ended in the 90s.

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partity and the right to life and the right to live is all that we wanted.
Apparently a few of the "we" wanted a united Ireland as well.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: HiMucker on August 03, 2013, 02:09:19 PM
Why Maguire do you think the oppression ended before the 90s?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on August 03, 2013, 06:26:23 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
Regular forces of sovereign democracies are accountable to their governments, who in turn are accountable to the people who elect them. The Vietnam war was brought to an end because American public opinion was sickened by the war, both by the casualties their forces were suffering and by the way in which their forces were behaving in places like My Lai. Tony Blair lost his reputation as an otherwise half decent prime minister because it was thought he had conned the public into an unpopular war in Iraq. Irregular forces generally don't have the same level of accountability. In the early 70s, the IRA defied public opinion throughout the island of Ireland by continuing to wage its campaign of violence, despite the mounting toll of civilian casualties caused by its bombing of city centres in the north and in England. Only when Sinn Fein started pursuing votes in the 80s and 90s did republicans start taking heed of the Irish people's wishes on their so called armed struggle.
i'd not be giving sf that much credit- you have to admit that once the british lead establishment started treating nationalist/Irish/catholic people like people and not animals and second class citizens, and the program of oppression and persecution was eased off (dont know if you can say it has completely stopped but is negligible now) that the militant violence stopped.
partity and the right to life and the right to live is all that we wanted. that is now mostly there (though youd wonder with some of the decisions that are still made and the lack of equal treatment eg towards protestors on the streets- but a minor detail imo compared to yesteryear).

interestingly when the british army/gov/establishment stopped colluding with the uvf/lvf/uup/dup purveyors of violence - the problems mostly stopped.
so a comparison with british army/gov/establishment to the local violent gangs is correct.
Eh, no. Unless the "programme of oppression and persecution" only ended in the 90s.

Quote
partity and the right to life and the right to live is all that we wanted.
Apparently a few of the "we" wanted a united Ireland as well.
sorry there chief, but obv despite living up there for a while, you dont seem to know or understand much about this.
my point stands- please elaborate what part you think is incorrect.

also , i'd have thought youd have heard this before as you have been up there so long - but the reason why people wanted a united Ireland was because in getting this, by default they reckoned the persecution, oppression and so on would be eradicated. Thats why there isnt as big a push for it these days because the initial requirements have been met.

im not trying to sound condescendng or patronising, but jeez are you deliberately trying to miss the point or claim you didnt know ?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: michaelg on August 03, 2013, 07:50:28 PM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
So you had no problem with IRA volunteers being shot by the British Army / SAS at Loughgall etc?

War crimes. The current British government must be fed up with the amount of apology's they are being forced into issuing these days.
So presumably the murder of police and army personnel by IRA "soldiers" were war crimes too then?

Not at all. That was active service.
Not quite sure if you are taking the piss or not?  You can't have it both ways. 

If Michaelg you are saying or accepting it was a war to suit your Loughgall argument then surely the maze prisoners should have been treated as prisoners of war. You cant have it both ways.
Don't really care whether Maze prisoners were prisoners of war or not to be honest - In any case, I was responding to the other poster who talked about it being a war.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on August 03, 2013, 09:52:28 PM
it was a war.
the british army and gov thought so...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on August 04, 2013, 10:01:22 AM
Why Maguire do you think the oppression ended before the 90s?
I don't think there was sufficient oppression to warrant, for example, the Shankill bombing.
Or the ending of the first ceasefire with Canary Wharf.
Do you?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on August 04, 2013, 10:05:57 AM
Compare the Brits with other regular armed forces and paramilitary groups with other irregular forces - otherwise it's just a case of comparing apples and bananas.
Why?
Does it feel better if you're shot/blown up or whatever by the apples as opposed to the bananas?

Is there a "feelgooder" hierarchy of victims e.g "  Well I was blown up by a proper regular army so there! "

There seems to be this notion that if you wear an official uniform it makes it different. British forces and the IRA.... No difference. Both soldiers in a war.
Regular forces of sovereign democracies are accountable to their governments, who in turn are accountable to the people who elect them. The Vietnam war was brought to an end because American public opinion was sickened by the war, both by the casualties their forces were suffering and by the way in which their forces were behaving in places like My Lai. Tony Blair lost his reputation as an otherwise half decent prime minister because it was thought he had conned the public into an unpopular war in Iraq. Irregular forces generally don't have the same level of accountability. In the early 70s, the IRA defied public opinion throughout the island of Ireland by continuing to wage its campaign of violence, despite the mounting toll of civilian casualties caused by its bombing of city centres in the north and in England. Only when Sinn Fein started pursuing votes in the 80s and 90s did republicans start taking heed of the Irish people's wishes on their so called armed struggle.
i'd not be giving sf that much credit- you have to admit that once the british lead establishment started treating nationalist/Irish/catholic people like people and not animals and second class citizens, and the program of oppression and persecution was eased off (dont know if you can say it has completely stopped but is negligible now) that the militant violence stopped.
partity and the right to life and the right to live is all that we wanted. that is now mostly there (though youd wonder with some of the decisions that are still made and the lack of equal treatment eg towards protestors on the streets- but a minor detail imo compared to yesteryear).

interestingly when the british army/gov/establishment stopped colluding with the uvf/lvf/uup/dup purveyors of violence - the problems mostly stopped.
so a comparison with british army/gov/establishment to the local violent gangs is correct.
Eh, no. Unless the "programme of oppression and persecution" only ended in the 90s.

Quote
partity and the right to life and the right to live is all that we wanted.
Apparently a few of the "we" wanted a united Ireland as well.
sorry there chief, but obv despite living up there for a while, you dont seem to know or understand much about this.
my point stands- please elaborate what part you think is incorrect.

also , i'd have thought youd have heard this before as you have been up there so long - but the reason why people wanted a united Ireland was because in getting this, by default they reckoned the persecution, oppression and so on would be eradicated. Thats why there isnt as big a push for it these days because the initial requirements have been met.

im not trying to sound condescendng or patronising, but jeez are you deliberately trying to miss the point or claim you didnt know ?
Resorting to your usual patronising comments I see. Having a different opinion clearly amounts to 'not knowing' or 'not understanding'.

Regardless of why the conflict started - the reasons for which I fully appreciate - it didn't continue into the 1990's to battle oppression. That is my point.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on August 04, 2013, 11:11:36 AM
well if thats what you believe , thats just fine, no problem.

I'm not being patronising at all. you know what you know -I for one certainly dont agree with that perspective.
your perspective certainly aint true from round my parts.

its laughable as you are quite patronising yourself with your comments!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: HiMucker on August 04, 2013, 02:07:30 PM
Why Maguire do you think the oppression ended before the 90s?
I don't think there was sufficient oppression to warrant, for example, the Shankill bombing.
Or the ending of the first ceasefire with Canary Wharf.
Do you?
I would be of the belief that no cause is worth a single innocent life.  However you just need to look at the many conflicts in the world and throughout history that is was inevitable that the British and unionist oppression of nationalists in the north would lead to a violent back lash.  I think it is disingenuous to sit back now and criticise and label the ira as some blood thirsty bunch of thugs.  Alot of what they done was wrong, but a situation of some type of long term non violent civil disobedience would have been a pipe dream.
IMO the canary wharf bombing achieved more than the previous Twenty years of violence by the IRA.  Not saying I agree with it, but is just my opinion.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on August 04, 2013, 06:00:39 PM
Why Maguire do you think the oppression ended before the 90s?
I don't think there was sufficient oppression to warrant, for example, the Shankill bombing.
Or the ending of the first ceasefire with Canary Wharf.
Do you?
I would be of the belief that no cause is worth a single innocent life.  However you just need to look at the many conflicts in the world and throughout history that is was inevitable that the British and unionist oppression of nationalists in the north would lead to a violent back lash.  I think it is disingenuous to sit back now and criticise and label the ira as some blood thirsty bunch of thugs.  Alot of what they done was wrong, but a situation of some type of long term non violent civil disobedience would have been a pipe dream.
IMO the canary wharf bombing achieved more than the previous Twenty years of violence by the IRA.  Not saying I agree with it, but is just my opinion.
The IRA campaign from 1969 was not a backlash against 'unionist oppression' of northern nationalists, though it was certainly fuelled by  the discrimination and gerrymandering that was going on. Instead, the IRA's campaign was simply a continuation of the struggle republicans had waged in every decade since partition. It was, simply, a war against partition itself. The violent reaction from Paisley-led loyalists to the Civil Rights movement and the outbreak of sectarian violence that followed this, allowed republicans to 'surf' a new anger and mood of rebellion amongst young Catholics / nationalists. It allowed them to breathe new life into a campaign which had run itself into the ground by the late 50s and early 60s. Republicans were never interested in reforming a state they saw as illegitimate, they just wanted to tear it down.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on August 04, 2013, 06:44:19 PM
The IRA campaign from 1969 was not a backlash against 'unionist oppression' of northern nationalists, though it was certainly fuelled by  the discrimination and gerrymandering that was going on. Instead, the IRA's campaign was simply a continuation of the struggle republicans had waged in every decade since partition. It was, simply, a war against partition itself. The violent reaction from Paisley-led loyalists to the Civil Rights movement and the outbreak of sectarian violence that followed this, allowed republicans to 'surf' a new anger and mood of rebellion amongst young Catholics / nationalists. It allowed them to breathe new life into a campaign which had run itself into the ground by the late 50s and early 60s. Republicans were never interested in reforming a state they saw as illegitimate, they just wanted to tear it down.

Emmm, is it a hobby or yours to rewrite history?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on August 04, 2013, 08:40:34 PM
The IRA campaign from 1969 was not a backlash against 'unionist oppression' of northern nationalists, though it was certainly fuelled by  the discrimination and gerrymandering that was going on. Instead, the IRA's campaign was simply a continuation of the struggle republicans had waged in every decade since partition. It was, simply, a war against partition itself. The violent reaction from Paisley-led loyalists to the Civil Rights movement and the outbreak of sectarian violence that followed this, allowed republicans to 'surf' a new anger and mood of rebellion amongst young Catholics / nationalists. It allowed them to breathe new life into a campaign which had run itself into the ground by the late 50s and early 60s. Republicans were never interested in reforming a state they saw as illegitimate, they just wanted to tear it down.

Emmm, is it a hobby or yours to rewrite history?
Which bit have I rewritten? The bit about the IRA waging an armed campaign in every decade since the start of partition? The bit about the IRA's objectives being to establish an independent 32 county socialist state by forcing British withdrawal from Ireland? Can you quote me anything in the IRA's Green Book which talks about ending oppression in the 6 north eastern counties of Ireland and establishing a more equal society in the north under British rule?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lynchbhoy on August 04, 2013, 09:59:34 PM
The IRA campaign from 1969 was not a backlash against 'unionist oppression' of northern nationalists, though it was certainly fuelled by  the discrimination and gerrymandering that was going on. Instead, the IRA's campaign was simply a continuation of the struggle republicans had waged in every decade since partition. It was, simply, a war against partition itself. The violent reaction from Paisley-led loyalists to the Civil Rights movement and the outbreak of sectarian violence that followed this, allowed republicans to 'surf' a new anger and mood of rebellion amongst young Catholics / nationalists. It allowed them to breathe new life into a campaign which had run itself into the ground by the late 50s and early 60s. Republicans were never interested in reforming a state they saw as illegitimate, they just wanted to tear it down.

Emmm, is it a hobby or yours to rewrite history?
Which bit have I rewritten? The bit about the IRA waging an armed campaign in every decade since the start of partition? The bit about the IRA's objectives being to establish an independent 32 county socialist state by forcing British withdrawal from Ireland? Can you quote me anything in the IRA's Green Book which talks about ending oppression in the 6 north eastern counties of Ireland and establishing a more equal society in the north under British rule?
I can tell you what friends, neighbours and relations told me why they were in the IRA/INLA - and it was retaliation/fighting for equality/ending persecution and oppression first...reunification was an objective that would deliver all these!

stop trying to re-write history.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on August 05, 2013, 09:04:11 PM
BBC3 now
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lawnseed on August 10, 2013, 08:04:17 PM
Trouble tonight in keady im hearing a car tried to driver over a cop. There was an apprentice boys parade schedualed theres crap on facebook about it
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: J OGorman on August 10, 2013, 08:06:48 PM
Derry was awash with empty bottles of Bucky at 11 this morn..thought I was Lurgan
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theticklemister on August 10, 2013, 09:27:45 PM
Derry was awash with empty bottles of Bucky at 11 this morn..thought I was Lurgan

Typical saturday morn in the waterside
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: trasna man on August 10, 2013, 11:58:30 PM
Derry was awash with empty bottles of Bucky at 11 this morn..thought I was Lurgan

Typical saturday morn in the waterside
Here. We don't need you Liverpool wh*res, bad mouthing our neighbours and friends thank you. They had a lovely day out.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: lawnseed on August 12, 2013, 01:04:12 AM
Trouble tonight in keady im hearing a car tried to driver over a cop. There was an apprentice boys parade schedualed theres crap on facebook about it
that was just drunk drivers no worries
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: haveaharp on August 12, 2013, 04:49:12 PM
https://www.facebook.com/#!/loyalist.queenspark?fref=ts

one of the more amusing loyalist facebook pages.

"Well done to all who stood tonight at royal avenue and stopped the scum from parading threw the city centre "
 ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on August 16, 2013, 10:55:11 AM
Here is a proposal for the Orangemen:

You can walk where you like and when you like, in a united Ireland.

Do you think the Orange Order would accept?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on August 16, 2013, 04:08:32 PM
Here is a proposal for the Orangemen:

You can walk where you like and when you like, in a united Ireland.

Do you think the Orange Order would accept?
mmmmm let me think.......NO
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on August 16, 2013, 04:54:06 PM
Doesn't that imply that there isn't actually an issue with the Orange Order marching in these areas at all? That if there was a united Ireland, we would no longer care where they marched? If that's the case, why do we care now?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on August 16, 2013, 06:08:27 PM
If we get a United Ireland, we wouldn't care if it rained shite for a month......
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on August 19, 2013, 09:56:14 AM
Doesn't that imply that there isn't actually an issue with the Orange Order marching in these areas at all? That if there was a united Ireland, we would no longer care where they marched? If that's the case, why do we care now?
I meant no the OO wouldn't accept.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on August 19, 2013, 12:29:34 PM
Doesn't that imply that there isn't actually an issue with the Orange Order marching in these areas at all? That if there was a united Ireland, we would no longer care where they marched? If that's the case, why do we care now?

Good question. As Hardstation pointed out, I'd let them march though my house if we had a united Ireland.

So why do I care now? Because they are rubbing our noses in it, coat trailing, celebrating protestant victory over catholics at the Boyne, celebrating 18th century terrorists, glorifying recent terrorism, exercising a perceived ascendency etc etc.

As someone else once pointed out, nowhere in the world is a civil war celebrated.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on August 19, 2013, 04:14:45 PM
Doesn't that imply that there isn't actually an issue with the Orange Order marching in these areas at all? That if there was a united Ireland, we would no longer care where they marched? If that's the case, why do we care now?

Good question. As Hardstation pointed out, I'd let them march though my house if we had a united Ireland.

So why do I care now? Because they are rubbing our noses in it, coat trailing, celebrating protestant victory over catholics at the Boyne, celebrating 18th century terrorists, glorifying recent terrorism, exercising a perceived ascendency etc etc.

As someone else once pointed out, nowhere in the world is a civil war celebrated.

That's the thing, it wasn't a civil war. It was a European war, fought on Irish soil. Very little to do with Ireland.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on September 12, 2013, 02:29:51 PM
Should be fun! ::)

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/parades-10000-loyalist-protesters-to-descend-on-belfast-city-centre-29573952.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/parades-10000-loyalist-protesters-to-descend-on-belfast-city-centre-29573952.html)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on September 13, 2013, 11:09:12 AM
Should be fun! ::)

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/parades-10000-loyalist-protesters-to-descend-on-belfast-city-centre-29573952.html (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/parades-10000-loyalist-protesters-to-descend-on-belfast-city-centre-29573952.html)

Great stuff.  Loyalists now carrying on the economic war by scaring shoppers out of Belfast city centre on a Saturday afternoon, then, after liberal supplies of liquid refreshments, they'll let themselves down a bucket load up at Woodvale later.  Republicans couldn't buy PR like this.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on June 04, 2014, 01:53:41 PM
Excellent news from Belfast today I see.  ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on June 04, 2014, 02:55:59 PM
From LAD

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 04, 2014, 03:09:48 PM
Excellent news from Belfast today I see.  ;D

Good, if you live nowhere near belfast for the summer!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on June 04, 2014, 06:13:48 PM
Excellent news from Belfast today I see.  ;D

Good, if you live nowhere near belfast for the summer!

The alternative is letting them march. Hardly preferable?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 03, 2014, 01:14:56 PM
No walkey home this year again.  ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 03, 2014, 01:21:52 PM
Excellent news from Belfast today I see.  ;D

Good, if you live nowhere near belfast for the summer!

The alternative is letting them march. Hardly preferable?

I think at this stage the OO take more out of being banned from parading than they would do if they were actually granted the parade.

This way they can keep accusing everyone else of being at fault bar themselves.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 03, 2014, 02:07:43 PM
No walkey home this year again.  ;D

Unionists have collectively walked out of the talks before they've properly started. Showing, once again, that leadership is a concept beyond them and that their entire political philosophy, across the board, is to appeal to the lowest form of knuckle-draggers in society. Outrageous. Dangerous.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 03, 2014, 02:08:47 PM
Ban the OO, problem solved.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 03, 2014, 03:27:28 PM
No walkey home this year again.  ;D

Unionists have collectively walked out of the talks before they've properly started. Showing, once again, that leadership is a concept beyond them and that their entire political philosophy, across the board, is to appeal to the lowest form of knuckle-draggers in society. Outrageous. Dangerous.

All about getting the votes. I've said it before... This is where democracy fails.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 03, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
They released stats the other day about the increase in orange marches. So the number of marches have increased significantly (was it twofold) in the last number of years yet this myth they peddle about their culture being "oppressed" is being believed by so many?

Also 4 members of ardoyne flute band were "detained" last night and there was a protest outside the police station. Nelson McCausland was one of these people protesting.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 03, 2014, 03:57:53 PM
Great progress has been made over the last lock of years  :-\

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 03, 2014, 03:59:21 PM
Lol. Pretty much sums it up skull.

Although the wheel analogy would imply some work is being done to keep us about where we are and there are quite a few politicians about who I'd be pretty sure aren't doing too much work!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: give her dixie on July 03, 2014, 04:22:40 PM
I think this sums up the stupidity of marches, and the hangers on.

Wearing a German football jersey with Combat 18 on the back. No doubt he is a staunch Israeli supporter as well.......


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 03, 2014, 04:43:49 PM
Give them a gun, tell them to point it at their foot and then pull the trigger ... that's political unionism for you. Alternatively, show them a big hill, tell them to march their idiot scum to the top of it... and then march them down it again. All nationalism/republicanism has to do is sit back and watch them make c***ts of themselves... again.  ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 03, 2014, 04:46:57 PM
Yes  and as we sit back and let them at it what good is it doing. Nothing is going to change as the pricks with the power are members of the OO and I am sure they have been told that they will get down these roads eventually.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 03, 2014, 04:54:05 PM
So toys out of the pram now for the unionists.

They don't have any respect for unionism they say.

Or alternatively that reads we didn't get what we wanted so this is what we're not playing ball.

I just hope these p***ks don't start their protests again. Real pain in the ass. One thing is for sure - any maturity on the situation will not be shown by any unionist or orange order leaders.

July is great in this place  ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 03, 2014, 05:01:45 PM
I wonder how many Catholic voters Robinson and Poots are reaching out to now  ::)
They of course cannot do or say anything unless it is what the secretive, bigoted, sectarian 17th Century Orange Order wants.
Then again they are all members of that first cousin of the KKK and couldn't get to leadership ( as loosely defined) positions in Unionism if they weren't.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on July 03, 2014, 05:36:17 PM
The words of the song always come to mind:
And the <sane> people ask, "What are they matching for?"
And I ask myself the same question.


If only the last lines were as apt:
Year after year, the numbers get fewer;
Someday no one will march there at all.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: DoireGael on July 03, 2014, 05:46:32 PM
Haven't lived in the north in around a decade now.

I lived in Dublin for a few years and now in London. But any thought of going back to live in the north is essential lost when seeing these marching issues reappear.

In modern life how do people for all this?



Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: FermGael on July 03, 2014, 06:26:38 PM
Honestly cannot see what has to be gained from this.
I think that the qualifier games will be targeted involving Tyrone and Armagh\Monaghan.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 03, 2014, 07:09:34 PM
It’s is astounding what you can get human beings to believe if you isolate them from diverse ideas, ring fence their minds and indoctrinate them.

The rational thinker can't make head nor tail of what goes on at this time of year but we live amongst religious and political (two sides of the same coin) leaders who prevent people from thinking freely, whilst leading them to believe that they are thinking for themselves.

You have to wonder is there any incentive for unionist 'leaders' (my arse) to drive educational standards in working class unionist areas when the are so easy controlled as they are.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 03, 2014, 09:57:00 PM
The Parades Commision have given their decision on return parade past Ardoyne....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7WiEG80lOo&sns=em (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7WiEG80lOo&sns=em)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on July 03, 2014, 10:02:05 PM
Should bands not be allowed to play or march in areas that don't want them?

How does this tie in with the debates about unionists not wanting certain people moving into their areas?

There's a twisted logic in there somewhere...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 03, 2014, 10:10:40 PM
The bottom line is what does the grass root protestant community have as "culture"
Nationalists have their local GAA clubs to provide them with a sense of community spirit and helps bring the local people together, and its seen as part of the Irish culture.

Protestant's on the other hand have
- Orange Order marches
- Tractor runs
- Irish league soccer - doesn't take in everyone like the gaa.

Am I right in saying that these people are grasping on to whatever they can to feel a sense of belonging.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 03, 2014, 10:14:51 PM
Should bands not be allowed to play or march in areas that don't want them?

How does this tie in with the debates about unionists not wanting certain people moving into their areas?

There's a twisted logic in there somewhere...
:D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 03, 2014, 10:18:22 PM
Yeah, a sense of belonging to a British state that doesn't give a flying fiddlers for them and looks upon them as Paddies, just like the rest of us native people.

This is a line in the sand, they're saying, but sure they said the same about the Tunnel and Garvaghy Road, and look where that got them. If they carry on with this oul craic I can see a lot more of the 95% of uncontested parades starting to be contested by new residents' groups to wind them up even more
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 03, 2014, 10:28:05 PM
With the haas talks failing, now this, the flag debacle etc etc is there a possibility that at some stage cameron will spit the dummy and step in here? You have to wonder what the tories etc are are thinking.

Toys out of the pram again.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 03, 2014, 10:41:06 PM
When you think of what the civil rights movement were protesting for (end to religious discrimination when it came to housing, employment, germandering etc) and then you look at what these numpties are getting uppity abouts (flags & parades ...when theres never been more of both) its hard to fathom.

 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 03, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
The Tories don't give one shit about over here. It would be government policy to keep the north at a certain economic threshold and this carry on does this without fail, so why would they change it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on July 03, 2014, 10:56:40 PM
Yeah, a sense of belonging to a British state that doesn't give a flying fiddlers for them and looks upon them as Paddies, just like the rest of us native people.

This is a line in the sand, they're saying, but sure they said the same about the Tunnel and Garvaghy Road, and look where that got them. If they carry on with this oul craic I can see a lot more of the 95% of uncontested parades starting to be contested by new residents' groups to wind them up even more

You're going to see more and more smaller OO groupings looking to march in nationalist towns more frequently.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 03, 2014, 11:01:34 PM
Jesus ...Jonathan Bell
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rois on July 03, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
Jesus ...Jonathan Bell
I am ready to emigrate after watching this programme.  Jonathan Bell just reverts to type. 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 03, 2014, 11:09:11 PM
How do you even begin to compromise with those unionist/OO fuckwits?

Ban the OO and/or steralise them. Either way, result.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 03, 2014, 11:13:03 PM
There is no compromise. Never has been and never will be.

By the sounds of it johnny bell took one too many knocks on the head on the rugby pitch.

New psni guy not too happy with politicians.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 03, 2014, 11:37:14 PM
Any chance this was an  opportunity to bury bad news on the Nelson McCausland front?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 03, 2014, 11:40:30 PM
The bottom line is what does the grass root protestant community have as "culture"
Nationalists have their local GAA clubs to provide them with a sense of community spirit and helps bring the local people together, and its seen as part of the Irish culture.

Protestant's on the other hand have
- Orange Order marches
- Tractor runs
- Irish league soccer - doesn't take in everyone like the gaa.

Am I right in saying that these people are grasping on to whatever they can to feel a sense of belonging.

Irish Protestant CultureIrish Catholic Culture
BonfiresGaelic Sports
Marching to Flute BandsCeile Music
Scottish DancingIrish Dancing
Motorbike Road RacingRoad Bowls?
Toasting the QueenAny excuse oul for another drink
Solemn Rembrance Sunday       Having great craic at Wakes
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 03, 2014, 11:49:50 PM
Any chance this was an  opportunity to bury bad news on the Nelson McCausland front?

The iris thing is brewing too. Would not be a surprise.

Saw a stat on twitter there- since 05 95% of oo parades allowed.

How they get people falling for this oppressed culture line is staggering.

To be fair the roadbike racing is entertaining...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 04, 2014, 12:12:32 AM
Thought Carruthers had his paxman moment the nite,
Bell got his ass handed to him lol
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 04, 2014, 01:43:23 AM
Just watched the Richard Dawkins Lawrence Krauss - The Unbelievers Documentary ....and this line stood out in the context of unionist leadership

"The only solution is to educate people. If you don't have an informed public then that's the biggest threat to democracy"


Another one about US congressmen only 1 of whom doesn't believe in a supreme being
"In order to get elected in the US you have to lie about your private beliefs"


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: haranguerer on July 04, 2014, 08:41:19 AM
The Tories don't give one shit about over here. It would be government policy to keep the north at a certain economic threshold and this carry on does this without fail, so why would they change it.

This is the problem - there is a fair chance unionists could hold the balance of power in the uk election - tories are courting them, they know they wont be reprimanded by the uk government, so essentially have carte blanche to do as they please.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 04, 2014, 08:44:46 AM
The Tories don't give one shit about over here. It would be government policy to keep the north at a certain economic threshold and this carry on does this without fail, so why would they change it.

The DUP could be a bigger party than the Lib Dems at the next general election and in a hung parliament Cameron will want them on board.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: DoireGael on July 04, 2014, 09:57:40 AM
The bottom line is what does the grass root protestant community have as "culture"
Nationalists have their local GAA clubs to provide them with a sense of community spirit and helps bring the local people together, and its seen as part of the Irish culture.

Protestant's on the other hand have
- Orange Order marches
- Tractor runs
- Irish league soccer - doesn't take in everyone like the gaa.

Am I right in saying that these people are grasping on to whatever they can to feel a sense of belonging.

Irish Protestant CultureIrish Catholic Culture
BonfiresGaelic Sports
Marching to Flute BandsCeile Music
Scottish DancingIrish Dancing
Motorbike Road RacingRoad Bowls?
Toasting the QueenAny excuse oul for another drink
Solemn Rembrance Sunday       Having great craic at Wakes

Are tractor runs Protestant culture? I do remember that up Limavady farmers would come into town on TVO's with the arch's painted Orange. It was like Deliverance meets the Billy Boys.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 04, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
There's tractor runs in South Armagh. I wouldn't imagine it's solely a Protestant thing.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 04, 2014, 11:09:43 AM
There's tractor runs in South Armagh. I wouldn't imagine it's solely a Protestant thing.

Aye but that's just the 12 year olds out doing the silage!!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: aontroim abu on July 04, 2014, 02:43:06 PM
FYI

For those travelling home or going out later just note that loyalist protests are kicking off at 7pm tonight in Ballyclare, Bangor (Bloomfield Rd Roundabout), Rathcoole roundabout, Carrickfergus, The Rock East Belfast, Sandy Row and the Fort William roundabout
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 5 Sams on July 04, 2014, 03:11:57 PM
Thought Carruthers had his paxman moment the nite,
Bell got his ass handed to him lol

Any links. Cant find it on Youtube
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 04, 2014, 03:14:02 PM
Thought Carruthers had his paxman moment the nite,
Bell got his ass handed to him lol

Any links. Cant find it on Youtube

No he never because he got his quote of Bell's words wrong and therefore was repeating and repeating a statement to Bell that he never said and left him off the hook. If he had got the quote right and pressed him on it, it would have been quite effective.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 04, 2014, 03:20:21 PM
There is no compromise. Never has been and never will be.

By the sounds of it johnny bell took one too many knocks on the head on the rugby pitch.

New psni guy not too happy with politicians.

Is that the same Jonny Bell as played rugby for Ulster and is not Director at Ravenhill?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Bensars on July 04, 2014, 03:22:56 PM
Thought Carruthers had his paxman moment the nite,
Bell got his ass handed to him lol

Any links. Cant find it on Youtube

No he never because he got his quote of Bell's words wrong and therefore was repeating and repeating a statement to Bell that he never said and left him off the hook. If he had got the quote right and pressed him on it, it would have been quite effective.

Bell did say it and carruthers was correct to challenge him on it. It was a flipant threat.
When challenged,Bell weaselled down and refused to repeat it.

Bell wont be in that situation in the near future. His ability  to perform under pressure was seriously questioned and he reverted to childish behaviour of  constant interupting.

Twitter commentary during the show  was very good. Its the only way to watch some of these shows
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: J OGorman on July 04, 2014, 03:41:24 PM
There is no compromise. Never has been and never will be.

By the sounds of it johnny bell took one too many knocks on the head on the rugby pitch.

New psni guy not too happy with politicians.

Is that the same Jonny Bell as played rugby for Ulster and is not Director at Ravenhill?

negatory....this clown, who, as Curruthers mentioned last night,will, along with the other head unionist men, head back to their comfortable safe surrounds whilst the working class loyalists will fight on the streets


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 04, 2014, 03:45:16 PM
Ah - always thought it was.... d'oh!!

Twitter commentary is better to avoid throwing stuff at the tv...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 04, 2014, 03:52:56 PM
Thought Carruthers had his paxman moment the nite,
Bell got his ass handed to him lol

Any links. Cant find it on Youtube

No he never because he got his quote of Bell's words wrong and therefore was repeating and repeating a statement to Bell that he never said and left him off the hook. If he had got the quote right and pressed him on it, it would have been quite effective.

Bell did say it and carruthers was correct to challenge him on it. It was a flipant threat.
When challenged,Bell weaselled down and refused to repeat it.

Bell wont be in that situation in the near future. His ability  to perform under pressure was seriously questioned and he reverted to childish behaviour of  constant interupting.

Twitter commentary during the show  was very good. Its the only way to watch some of these shows

Didn't see this, what did Bell say?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 04, 2014, 04:08:31 PM
Ah - always thought it was.... d'oh!!

Twitter commentary is better to avoid throwing stuff at the tv...

I had always wondered as but had never researched it until now. The Rugby player is now a PE teacher in Campbell.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fuzzman on July 04, 2014, 04:50:48 PM
I was trying to explain to a few Dubs and a Cork lad this week what it tends to be like around the 12th up North. I was amazed how many of them hadn't a clue what it was like

If you had to summarise it all to a stranger what would you say?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on July 04, 2014, 05:03:06 PM
I was trying to explain to a few Dubs and a Cork lad this week what it tends to be like around the 12th up North. I was amazed how many of them hadn't a clue what it was like

If you had to summarise it all to a stranger what would you say?

Like Witness Festival - Awesome Bands, Lots of drink and the hottest birds on the planet.
Unfortunately there is no Hare Krishna tent to burn at the end.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 04, 2014, 05:17:07 PM
If you're anywhere near Belfast half the roads you go down are inaccessible on the day itself and going out on the 11th is a no no...

If you go out in the evening of the 12th in your car the roads in marching areas will be full of very drunk people going down the middle of the road and looking at you threateningly for driving down their road. It is actually quite intimidating.

When you go to go anywhere in belfast, on my route anyway, on a saturday leading up to 12th you are likely to get detoured.

That aside it's great...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 04, 2014, 08:11:42 PM
Gerry Adams on the news there saying there'll be more people at the All Ireland that causing mayhem on the street. Let's hope this isn't red rag to a bull
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: charlieTully on July 04, 2014, 08:34:22 PM
Thought Carruthers had his paxman moment the nite,
Bell got his ass handed to him lol

Any links. Cant find it on Youtube

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04778rr/the-view-03072014
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 5 Sams on July 04, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Thought Carruthers had his paxman moment the nite,
Bell got his ass handed to him lol

Any links. Cant find it on Youtube

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04778rr/the-view-03072014
Thanks Charlie. Unreal. How do these people get elected....don't answer that...I know...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 05, 2014, 06:18:02 AM
Quote
Like Witness Festival - Awesome Bands, Lots of drink and the hottest birds on the planet.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 05, 2014, 04:36:53 PM
Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness accused Unionist politicians of "dancing to the tune" of the Orange Order and the UVF.

He said there needs to be a recognition of whose agenda is being followed.
Mr McGuinness said: "We used to see in the North, Unionist politicians play the Orange card. What we're now effectively seeing is the Orange Order play the Unionist card, and we're seeing Unionist politicians dancing to the tune of the Orange Order and the UVF."

"This is a time to be calm, for cool heads and for all of us to recognise that this is a very difficult situation, approaching a crisis.

"When we have a situation where unionist parties effectively walk out of talks, cancel a meeting of the North-South ministerial council, that's a very serious matter indeed.

Mr McGuinness what was even more serious are recent remarks made by Unionist leaders "where they are clearly indicating" that this could result in the destruction of the political institutions.

"I think that's ludicrous."
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 05, 2014, 05:50:03 PM
Would anyone miss the Stormont institutions? Are they advancing the nationalist cause one iota when unionists have a veto on everything anyway (as opposed to advancing Sinn Fein's agenda of simply being in government North and South)?

I'm thinking that either joint authority or even so called direct rule (with strong Dublin involvement) would be much better than the current situation.At least we would be governed by real politicians instead of 17th century fundamrntalists  and bigots who generally haven't a clue
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 05, 2014, 05:52:40 PM
Would anyone miss the Stormont institutions? Are they advancing the nationalist cause one iota when unionists have a veto on everything anyway (as opposed to advancing Sinn Fein's agenda of simply being in government North and South)?

I'm thinking that either joint authority or even so called direct rule (with strong Dublin involvement) would be much better than the current situation.At least we would be governed by real politicians instead of 17th century fundamrntalists  and bigots who generally haven't a clue

I've thought this for quite a while now. 90% of the men on the hill are completely useless.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 05, 2014, 05:54:31 PM
Would anyone miss the Stormont institutions? Are they advancing the nationalist cause one iota when unionists have a veto on everything anyway (as opposed to advancing Sinn Fein's agenda of simply being in government North and South)?

I'm thinking that either joint authority or even so called direct rule (with strong Dublin involvement) would be much better than the current situation.At least we would be governed by real politicians instead of 17th century fundamrntalists  and bigots who generally haven't a clue

Yeah right enough those REAL politicians are doing a great job in the 26.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: charlieTully on July 05, 2014, 06:07:00 PM
Dup/sf - a perpetual state of crisis.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on July 05, 2014, 06:44:17 PM
Would anyone miss the Stormont institutions? Are they advancing the nationalist cause one iota when unionists have a veto on everything anyway (as opposed to advancing Sinn Fein's agenda of simply being in government North and South)?

I'm thinking that either joint authority or even so called direct rule (with strong Dublin involvement) would be much better than the current situation.At least we would be governed by real politicians instead of 17th century fundamrntalists  and bigots who generally haven't a clue

Yeah right enough those REAL politicians are doing a great job in the 26.
But can you argue FOR the politicians in the Assembly?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 05, 2014, 06:51:55 PM
Would anyone miss the Stormont institutions? Are they advancing the nationalist cause one iota when unionists have a veto on everything anyway (as opposed to advancing Sinn Fein's agenda of simply being in government North and South)?

I'm thinking that either joint authority or even so called direct rule (with strong Dublin involvement) would be much better than the current situation.At least we would be governed by real politicians instead of 17th century fundamrntalists  and bigots who generally haven't a clue

Yeah right enough those REAL politicians are doing a great job in the 26.
But can you argue FOR the politicians in the Assembly?

Not too many of them but then they are who we voted for and the institutions are also what we voted for.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 05, 2014, 06:53:10 PM
Would anyone miss the Stormont institutions? Are they advancing the nationalist cause one iota when unionists have a veto on everything anyway (as opposed to advancing Sinn Fein's agenda of simply being in government North and South)?

I'm thinking that either joint authority or even so called direct rule (with strong Dublin involvement) would be much better than the current situation.At least we would be governed by real politicians instead of 17th century fundamrntalists  and bigots who generally haven't a clue

Yeah right enough those REAL politicians are doing a great job in the 26.
But can you argue FOR the politicians in the Assembly?

75% of most assemblies are complete duds at best.

Then in the 25% you have those who are capable but are self-servicing or blinded by ideology.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on July 05, 2014, 07:26:56 PM
Quote
Like Witness Festival - Awesome Bands, Lots of drink and the hottest birds on the planet.



Cor!!
Look at the bingo wings on that  :-*
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on July 05, 2014, 07:30:52 PM
Gregory Campbell delighted that Rossnowlagh went off without a hitch


"Whilst I've attended Rossnowlagh before, this will be my first time to participate in the parade," he said.

"It's a brilliant day out for all the family and brings out so many positive attributes of the loyal orders."

Mr Campbell said he "looked forward to a day" when parades throughout Northern Ireland had the same level of "tolerance and respect" shown by all sides.
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Yes, as long as the OO can march where they want....that's the "tolerance and respect" which is required.
Now they want The Irish President to attend their 26 county orangefest...erm...have they read their own charter?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 05, 2014, 07:45:48 PM
Amazing how a march can cause no hassle when the participants just walk down the road and don't bring along a shower of shaven headed bigoted thugs shoutin abuse at the people who live along the way. ;)
Mervyn Gibson, Peter Robinson, McCausland, Dodds etc please note.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on July 05, 2014, 08:04:37 PM
Would anyone miss the Stormont institutions? Are they advancing the nationalist cause one iota when unionists have a veto on everything anyway (as opposed to advancing Sinn Fein's agenda of simply being in government North and South)?

I'm thinking that either joint authority or even so called direct rule (with strong Dublin involvement) would be much better than the current situation.At least we would be governed by real politicians instead of 17th century fundamrntalists  and bigots who generally haven't a clue

Yeah right enough those REAL politicians are doing a great job in the 26.
But can you argue FOR the politicians in the Assembly?

Not too many of them but then they are who we voted for and the institutions are also what we voted for.
But the question is whether we'd miss them if they weren't there.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 05, 2014, 08:41:53 PM
Would anyone miss the Stormont institutions? Are they advancing the nationalist cause one iota when unionists have a veto on everything anyway (as opposed to advancing Sinn Fein's agenda of simply being in government North and South)?

I'm thinking that either joint authority or even so called direct rule (with strong Dublin involvement) would be much better than the current situation.At least we would be governed by real politicians instead of 17th century fundamrntalists  and bigots who generally haven't a clue

Yeah right enough those REAL politicians are doing a great job in the 26.
But can you argue FOR the politicians in the Assembly?

Not too many of them but then they are who we voted for and the institutions are also what we voted for.
But the question is whether we'd miss them if they weren't there.

Well the alternatives,direct rule or as Tony thinks real politicians from the 26 don't excite me either.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 05, 2014, 09:24:21 PM
I mean real politicians from South and UK who at least have a clue about running health,education,welfare reform etc however imperfectly, with no tribal constituencies to serve
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 05, 2014, 09:46:02 PM
I mean real politicians from South and UK who at least have a clue about running health,education,welfare reform etc however imperfectly, with no tribal constituencies to serve

You really think they are running the health service,and welfare well in the south?Yes I agree it would be great if we hadn't tribal politics here but wishing it away will not change it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 05, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
I mean real politicians from South and UK who at least have a clue about running health,education,welfare reform etc however imperfectly, with no tribal constituencies to serve

You really think they are running the health service,and welfare well in the south?Yes I agree it would be great if we hadn't tribal politics here but wishing it away will not change it.

They are running it, with the expert guidance of the unions.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 05, 2014, 10:35:41 PM
The only way to get rid of tribal politics is to get rid of tribal parties. I do believe Direct Rule/Joint Authority would at the very least switch the focus onto real issues handled by politicians a lot more able and experienced than the Stormont Shower
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 05, 2014, 10:39:56 PM
The only way to get rid of tribal politics is to get rid of tribal parties. I do believe Direct Rule/Joint Authority would at the very least switch the focus onto real issues handled by politicians a lot more able and experienced than the Stormont Shower

The British Tory party or Labour Party for that matter never had any concern for us Irish so I can't agree with your logic
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 06, 2014, 08:46:05 AM
So you'd prefer Poots running (into the ground) the health service as opposed to a real politician from London/Dublin? I'm not saying joint authority/ direct rule would be perfect but it would be a hell of a lot better than the current set up
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 06, 2014, 09:00:24 AM
In real politics you have...

- welfare reform
- health system
- education system with the 12th of July farce

Then before flags and parades you have things like court cases to stop "gay blood"costing loads of money in court.

Police force budget down 26 million due to above farce.

Then before the bigotry you have very questionable ethics of two top boys with housing and planning / the wife.

That's BEFORE the unashamed bigotry both sectarian an racist that is shown.

Not to forget the haas talks.



The whole lot of them are a farce.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 06, 2014, 09:50:38 PM
On way to Clones today, as I was passing through Tandragee, I was delayed in traffic for five minutes as an Orange Parade passed.At least five of the marchers were known to me and I to them and each of them acknowledged me with a wave of the hand.Marchers all well dressed,  respectable and playing non contentious music. To be honest it left me wondering what all the fuss was about.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on July 06, 2014, 10:16:10 PM
On way to Clones today, as I was passing through Tandragee, I was delayed in traffic for five minutes as an Orange Parade passed.At least five of the marchers were known to me and I to them and each of them acknowledged me with a wave of the hand.Marchers all well dressed,  respectable and playing non contentious music. To be honest it left me wondering what all the fuss was about.

Some do it as it is tradition and others do it as it is oppression. Your mates and that parade are obviously in the former group.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on July 06, 2014, 10:19:15 PM
On way to Clones today, as I was passing through Tandragee, I was delayed in traffic for five minutes as an Orange Parade passed.At least five of the marchers were known to me and I to them and each of them acknowledged me with a wave of the hand.Marchers all well dressed,  respectable and playing non contentious music. To be honest it left me wondering what all the fuss was about.

Some do it as it is tradition and others do it as it is oppression. Your mates and that parade are obviously in the former group.

A big difference between the traditional marches in the sticks (5-10 minutes of disruption, but in the main ignored) and the Belfast parades infiltrated by paramilitaries that the OOmare too scared to discipline or kick out.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 06, 2014, 10:52:11 PM
I know all that, but is it not a case of Belfast parades and protests being exploited by paramilitaries on both sides?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Nally Stand on July 07, 2014, 12:09:47 AM
I know all that, but is it not a case of Belfast parades and protests being exploited by paramilitaries on both sides?

Do explain
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 07, 2014, 03:09:25 AM
Tony, you made a similar post last year about non contentious parades, but it still doesn't make any useful point. It's like the difference between a guy with a guitar in your local pub and Garth Brooks.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnneycool on July 07, 2014, 09:20:57 AM
There is no compromise. Never has been and never will be.

By the sounds of it johnny bell took one too many knocks on the head on the rugby pitch.

New psni guy not too happy with politicians.

Is that the same Jonny Bell as played rugby for Ulster and is not Director at Ravenhill?

negatory....this clown, who, as Curruthers mentioned last night,will, along with the other head unionist men, head back to their comfortable safe surrounds whilst the working class loyalists will fight on the streets




His clown is from Newtowards, a solicitor I presumed with his numpty billboards of his big boat race and the tag line 'give bell a ring'

The DUP are on an intellectual winner with this one.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 07, 2014, 11:49:28 AM
I heard on the radio this morning that unionists want to bring up the parading issue in the assembly.

Nationalists should do the decent thing and walk out before the debate starts.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 07, 2014, 11:52:18 AM
I heard on the radio this morning that unionists want to bring up the parading issue in the assembly.

Nationalists should do the decent thing and walk out before the debate starts.

Good to see that our politicians are getting to the real heart of our problems and trying to make this a better place to live.
This is seriously laughable, that is if it wasnt so serious.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 07, 2014, 11:55:24 AM
I heard on the radio this morning that unionists want to bring up the parading issue in the assembly.

Nationalists should do the decent thing and walk out before the debate starts.

So let me get this right.

 Last week a special meeting to deal with Flegs, parading etc was planned but the Unionists walked out before it even started. Now this week they want to talk about it at a meeting of the assembly where normal politics is meant to be discussed.

Oh right!! :-\
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Keyser soze on July 07, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28193372

More racist, sectarian nonsense from these clowns. Not to mention the illegality and the environmental and health impact of the burning of tyres on bonfires.

You would honestly think that the people who organise these [and associated] events, and I include the OO, loyalist paramilitaries, bands and political unionism in this, were dtermined to ensure that there can never be a normalisation of relations in Norn Ireland.

As someone who wants Ireland reunited I am delighted with their antics.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: The Trap on July 07, 2014, 12:54:07 PM
What would happen in Ardoyne on Saturday if there were no police or no media present?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: OakleafCounty on July 07, 2014, 01:14:55 PM
What would happen in Ardoyne on Saturday if there were no police or no media present?

I'd say either a bloodbath or nothing at all.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hardstation on July 07, 2014, 01:38:42 PM
What would happen in Ardoyne on Saturday if there were no police or no media present?

I'd say either a bloodbath or nothing at all.
Nothing at all?
With no peelers? FFS

They'd obviously try and march up Crumlin Road..........which would lead to a murder picture.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 07, 2014, 01:53:29 PM
What would happen in Ardoyne on Saturday if there were no police or no media present?

A battle of the boyne'esque' re-enactment that Hollywood would struggle to re-create
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: The Trap on July 07, 2014, 01:59:09 PM
With no protection and without the oxygen of publicity...............
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 07, 2014, 02:00:08 PM
Cant help thinking of Gangs of New York - something like that!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnneycool on July 07, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
With no protection and without the oxygen of publicity...............

Hold me back in case I get hurt sort of stuff you reckon?

 8)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 07, 2014, 02:21:12 PM
Have they not tried marching up a few times anyway?? If the police didn't watch them at night etc I think they'd march up anyway.

Hardly going to happen - will be a significant amount spent on policing this debacle (AGAIN!).
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 07, 2014, 02:40:16 PM
Have they not tried marching up a few times anyway?? If the police didn't watch them at night etc I think they'd march up anyway.

Hardly going to happen - will be a significant amount spent on policing this debacle (AGAIN!).

Did i see the other day correctly that they have already spent £10m on policing the camp at Twadell Ave?

This comes at the same time as the PSNI have effectively had a £26m cut in their budget.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 07, 2014, 02:44:43 PM
As well as before the madness which does seem pretty inevitable...

(Ah yes the OO get grants too which extend to over a million...)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: cockahoop on July 07, 2014, 03:30:32 PM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 07, 2014, 05:08:38 PM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.

Aye, let's ignore it and it will go away ... talk about shooting the messenger.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: cockahoop on July 07, 2014, 05:17:48 PM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.

Aye, let's ignore it and it will go away ... talk about shooting the messenger.

no not at all but i hardly think giving a daily update on weather a pub on the shankill road has the ivory coast flag up or not is news worthy,yes the flag in dervock is a issue but does a flag stuck on a flag pole on the edge of church property offensive?maybe for some but ive yet to hear a view from the local priest only from some politician jumping on the band wagon,read todays report and i quote "it is understood sunday mass went ahead despite the loyalist display"..why on under god would mass be cancelled because a flag was put up?? bloody sensationalism to stoke up a reaction in my opinion.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 07, 2014, 05:23:05 PM
Some person came up with a plan to reroute the parade through a neighbouring loyalist area. Did anyone else read about that? Seemed like a sensible idea.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: cockahoop on July 07, 2014, 05:34:12 PM
Some person came up with a plan to reroute the parade through a neighbouring loyalist area. Did anyone else read about that? Seemed like a sensible idea.

it definately does but that would take a few sensible politicians to sort that out and im afraid to say they are few and far between,proacative parades through nationalist areas are not on but i do believe if dealt with correctly at the time (15 years ago) these issues would have been sorted eg Derry and apprentice boys,but instead a problem has become a monster in our society where its got to the stage nobody is prepared to move and the more residents say no the more loyalists protest,i firmly belive some resident groups and republican representitves have been to the orange order what thatcher was to the IRA in the 70's early 80's,ie recruiting agents
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: THE MIGHTY QUINN on July 07, 2014, 05:38:29 PM
What would happen in Ardoyne on Saturday if there were no police or no media present?

I'd say either a bloodbath or nothing at all.
you would struggle to find 2 wider extremes than these
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 07, 2014, 06:43:52 PM
Some person came up with a plan to reroute the parade through a neighbouring loyalist area. Did anyone else read about that? Seemed like a sensible idea.

Sensible. Now there's a word you don't often hear when discussing the OO. Why walk through a neighbouring loyalist area where there's no-one to antagonise!?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 07, 2014, 06:47:54 PM
Some person came up with a plan to reroute the parade through a neighbouring loyalist area. Did anyone else read about that? Seemed like a sensible idea.

It is a sensible idea, that's why there's no chance of it happening ... how would they be able to coat-trail in triumph and abuse the people of Ardoyne, sure that's what it's all about. The people at Twaddell are the same people who threw blast bombs and bottles of piss at little girls going to school at Holy Cross 13-14 years ago
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Farrandeelin on July 07, 2014, 07:13:54 PM
What would happen in Ardoyne on Saturday if there were no police or no media present?

A battle of the boyne'esque' re-enactment that Hollywood would struggle to re-create

Who'd 'triumph' this time?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: HiMucker on July 07, 2014, 07:45:46 PM
Some person came up with a plan to reroute the parade through a neighbouring loyalist area. Did anyone else read about that? Seemed like a sensible idea.

it definately does but that would take a few sensible politicians to sort that out and im afraid to say they are few and far between,proacative parades through nationalist areas are not on but i do believe if dealt with correctly at the time (15 years ago) these issues would have been sorted eg Derry and apprentice boys,but instead a problem has become a monster in our society where its got to the stage nobody is prepared to move and the more residents say no the more loyalists protest,i firmly belive some resident groups and republican representitves have been to the orange order what thatcher was to the IRA in the 70's early 80's,ie recruiting agents
OO membership has been rapidly dropping year on year since the early 90s if I'm not mistaken
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: cockahoop on July 07, 2014, 07:52:51 PM
Some person came up with a plan to reroute the parade through a neighbouring loyalist area. Did anyone else read about that? Seemed like a sensible idea.

it definately does but that would take a few sensible politicians to sort that out and im afraid to say they are few and far between,proacative parades through nationalist areas are not on but i do believe if dealt with correctly at the time (15 years ago) these issues would have been sorted eg Derry and apprentice boys,but instead a problem has become a monster in our society where its got to the stage nobody is prepared to move and the more residents say no the more loyalists protest,i firmly belive some resident groups and republican representitves have been to the orange order what thatcher was to the IRA in the 70's early 80's,ie recruiting agents
OO membership has been rapidly dropping year on year since the early 90s if I'm not mistaken

The bbc did a piece last week where loyalist bands have nearly doubled and the orange order have become a lot stronger
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 08, 2014, 08:44:56 AM
Some person came up with a plan to reroute the parade through a neighbouring loyalist area. Did anyone else read about that? Seemed like a sensible idea.

it definately does but that would take a few sensible politicians to sort that out and im afraid to say they are few and far between,proacative parades through nationalist areas are not on but i do believe if dealt with correctly at the time (15 years ago) these issues would have been sorted eg Derry and apprentice boys,but instead a problem has become a monster in our society where its got to the stage nobody is prepared to move and the more residents say no the more loyalists protest,i firmly belive some resident groups and republican representitves have been to the orange order what thatcher was to the IRA in the 70's early 80's,ie recruiting agents
OO membership has been rapidly dropping year on year since the early 90s if I'm not mistaken

The bbc did a piece last week where loyalist bands have nearly doubled and the orange order have become a lot stronger

These are not mutually exclusive, loyalist band membership could be on the rise with the OO on the decline.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 08, 2014, 09:15:51 AM
Some person came up with a plan to reroute the parade through a neighbouring loyalist area. Did anyone else read about that? Seemed like a sensible idea.

it definately does but that would take a few sensible politicians to sort that out and im afraid to say they are few and far between,proacative parades through nationalist areas are not on but i do believe if dealt with correctly at the time (15 years ago) these issues would have been sorted eg Derry and apprentice boys,but instead a problem has become a monster in our society where its got to the stage nobody is prepared to move and the more residents say no the more loyalists protest,i firmly belive some resident groups and republican representitves have been to the orange order what thatcher was to the IRA in the 70's early 80's,ie recruiting agents
OO membership has been rapidly dropping year on year since the early 90s if I'm not mistaken

The bbc did a piece last week where loyalist bands have nearly doubled and the orange order have become a lot stronger

These are not mutually exclusive, loyalist band membership could be on the rise with the OO on the decline.

That band membership is mostly a Belfast thing
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Keyser soze on July 08, 2014, 09:57:34 AM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.

Aye, let's ignore it and it will go away ... talk about shooting the messenger.

no not at all but i hardly think giving a daily update on weather a pub on the shankill road has the ivory coast flag up or not is news worthy,yes the flag in dervock is a issue but does a flag stuck on a flag pole on the edge of church property offensive?maybe for some but ive yet to hear a view from the local priest only from some politician jumping on the band wagon,read todays report and i quote "it is understood sunday mass went ahead despite the loyalist display"..why on under god would mass be cancelled because a flag was put up?? bloody sensationalism to stoke up a reaction in my opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28203619

It's not just the Irish News thats highlighting this issue.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: cockahoop on July 08, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.

Aye, let's ignore it and it will go away ... talk about shooting the messenger.

no not at all but i hardly think giving a daily update on weather a pub on the shankill road has the ivory coast flag up or not is news worthy,yes the flag in dervock is a issue but does a flag stuck on a flag pole on the edge of church property offensive?maybe for some but ive yet to hear a view from the local priest only from some politician jumping on the band wagon,read todays report and i quote "it is understood sunday mass went ahead despite the loyalist display"..why on under god would mass be cancelled because a flag was put up?? bloody sensationalism to stoke up a reaction in my opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28203619

It's not just the Irish News thats highlighting this issue.

highlighting it and sensationalism is two separate things
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Keyser soze on July 08, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.

Aye, let's ignore it and it will go away ... talk about shooting the messenger.

no not at all but i hardly think giving a daily update on weather a pub on the shankill road has the ivory coast flag up or not is news worthy,yes the flag in dervock is a issue but does a flag stuck on a flag pole on the edge of church property offensive?maybe for some but ive yet to hear a view from the local priest only from some politician jumping on the band wagon,read todays report and i quote "it is understood sunday mass went ahead despite the loyalist display"..why on under god would mass be cancelled because a flag was put up?? bloody sensationalism to stoke up a reaction in my opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28203619

It's not just the Irish News thats highlighting this issue.

highlighting it and sensationalism is two separate things

As far as I can see the IN reported the "fact" that mass went ahead. It is you who sensationalised the issue by asking 2why...would mass be cancelled" which wasnt mentioned in the article.

Fair enough, this is a trivial issue, unless you're a catholic from Dervock i suppose.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: cockahoop on July 08, 2014, 11:49:14 AM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.

Aye, let's ignore it and it will go away ... talk about shooting the messenger.

no not at all but i hardly think giving a daily update on weather a pub on the shankill road has the ivory coast flag up or not is news worthy,yes the flag in dervock is a issue but does a flag stuck on a flag pole on the edge of church property offensive?maybe for some but ive yet to hear a view from the local priest only from some politician jumping on the band wagon,read todays report and i quote "it is understood sunday mass went ahead despite the loyalist display"..why on under god would mass be cancelled because a flag was put up?? bloody sensationalism to stoke up a reaction in my opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28203619

It's not just the Irish News thats highlighting this issue.

highlighting it and sensationalism is two separate things

As far as I can see the IN reported the "fact" that mass went ahead. It is you who sensationalised the issue by asking 2why...would mass be cancelled" which wasnt mentioned in the article.

Fair enough, this is a trivial issue, unless you're a catholic from Dervock i suppose.

how do you know?a catholic from Dervock hasnt been asked which is exactly my point

yes i asked why mass would be cancelled in response to the irish news stating it went ahead,whats that got to do with the price of fish?its like reporting Neymar  is injured "but the Brazil v Germany will go ahead",why would it not go ahead?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Keyser soze on July 08, 2014, 02:31:24 PM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.

Aye, let's ignore it and it will go away ... talk about shooting the messenger.

no not at all but i hardly think giving a daily update on weather a pub on the shankill road has the ivory coast flag up or not is news worthy,yes the flag in dervock is a issue but does a flag stuck on a flag pole on the edge of church property offensive?maybe for some but ive yet to hear a view from the local priest only from some politician jumping on the band wagon,read todays report and i quote "it is understood sunday mass went ahead despite the loyalist display"..why on under god would mass be cancelled because a flag was put up?? bloody sensationalism to stoke up a reaction in my opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28203619

It's not just the Irish News thats highlighting this issue.

highlighting it and sensationalism is two separate things

As far as I can see the IN reported the "fact" that mass went ahead. It is you who sensationalised the issue by asking 2why...would mass be cancelled" which wasnt mentioned in the article.

Fair enough, this is a trivial issue, unless you're a catholic from Dervock i suppose.

how do you know?a catholic from Dervock hasnt been asked which is exactly my point

yes i asked why mass would be cancelled in response to the irish news stating it went ahead,whats that got to do with the price of fish?its like reporting Neymar  is injured "but the Brazil v Germany will go ahead",why would it not go ahead?

I don't know. Which is why I put I suppose at the end of the sentence!

From what I read the issue was raised by elected representatives from the area, I would imagine at the behest of, or acting on information from, people who attend the chapel. I didnt think it was sensationalised, trivial yes. Unless it was your own chapel.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 08, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
on a slightly different note,the irish news have a lot to answer for,every day they pick up on petty things like the ivory coast flag missing from a pub in the shankill road!!once bad enough but every bloody day now they have latched onto the union jack put up on a lamp post inside church grounds in dervock,ok it should not have happened but to go on and on about it only creates more tension.

Aye, let's ignore it and it will go away ... talk about shooting the messenger.

no not at all but i hardly think giving a daily update on weather a pub on the shankill road has the ivory coast flag up or not is news worthy,yes the flag in dervock is a issue but does a flag stuck on a flag pole on the edge of church property offensive?maybe for some but ive yet to hear a view from the local priest only from some politician jumping on the band wagon,read todays report and i quote "it is understood sunday mass went ahead despite the loyalist display"..why on under god would mass be cancelled because a flag was put up?? bloody sensationalism to stoke up a reaction in my opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28203619

It's not just the Irish News thats highlighting this issue.

highlighting it and sensationalism is two separate things

As far as I can see the IN reported the "fact" that mass went ahead. It is you who sensationalised the issue by asking 2why...would mass be cancelled" which wasnt mentioned in the article.

Fair enough, this is a trivial issue, unless you're a catholic from Dervock i suppose.

how do you know?a catholic from Dervock hasnt been asked which is exactly my point

yes i asked why mass would be cancelled in response to the irish news stating it went ahead,whats that got to do with the price of fish?its like reporting Neymar  is injured "but the Brazil v Germany will go ahead",why would it not go ahead?

I don't know. Which is why I put I suppose at the end of the sentence!

From what I read the issue was raised by elected representatives from the area, I would imagine at the behest of, or acting on information from, people who attend the chapel. I didnt think it was sensationalised, trivial yes. Unless it was your own chapel.

On a side note have always disliked the use of the word 'chapel' to me especially in this part of the world it is used with a negative connotation in comparison to Protestant 'Churches'.

Just thought I would throw that out there  :D

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on July 08, 2014, 03:10:20 PM
Didn't Harryville chapel have flags outside it for donkeys years?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 08, 2014, 03:14:55 PM
It had a shower of hateful c***ts outside it for a while. Do people forget what went on there.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 08, 2014, 03:46:32 PM
On a side note have always disliked the use of the word 'chapel' to me especially in this part of the world it is used with a negative connotation in comparison to Protestant 'Churches'.

Just thought I would throw that out there  :D

It's a common mistake by all side.

A chapel is a Church within another building, eg. a hospital.

A Church is a building on it's own.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Keyser soze on July 08, 2014, 05:03:25 PM
On a side note have always disliked the use of the word 'chapel' to me especially in this part of the world it is used with a negative connotation in comparison to Protestant 'Churches'.

Just thought I would throw that out there  :D

It's a common mistake by all side.

A chapel is a Church within another building, eg. a hospital.

A Church is a building on it's own.

Well Im not sure a google search will agree with your definition there Zig.

Nag1 Yes it is used almost exclusively when referring to catholic places of worship but I have always used it and quite like it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: passedit on July 09, 2014, 05:33:33 PM

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on July 09, 2014, 06:31:13 PM
 :D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Oraisteach on July 09, 2014, 08:26:32 PM
So, does anyone know the height of the tallest Leaning Tower of Prejudice?  I know these guys take pride in the size of their erections.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 09, 2014, 10:23:01 PM
I think you're confusing us with people who give a f**k
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 10, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
The graduated response has begun it seems.

They want changes to legislation.

So the law doesn't allow them to do what they want in 100% of cases and therefore must be changed.

Parades commission anti democracy.

You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 10, 2014, 12:48:46 PM
Graduated response seems to have started alright.

http://www.u.tv/News/Catholic-church-attacked-in-Co-Down/0f45b60d-f91d-4fcf-a593-3fdad1481662
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 10, 2014, 01:21:20 PM
On a side note have always disliked the use of the word 'chapel' to me especially in this part of the world it is used with a negative connotation in comparison to Protestant 'Churches'.

Just thought I would throw that out there  :D

It's a common mistake by all side.

A chapel is a Church within another building, eg. a hospital.

A Church is a building on it's own.

Well Im not sure a google search will agree with your definition there Zig.

Nag1 Yes it is used almost exclusively when referring to catholic places of worship but I have always used it and quite like it.

Think Ziggy is right.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: grounded on July 10, 2014, 03:16:18 PM
Graduated response seems to have started alright.

http://www.u.tv/News/Catholic-church-attacked-in-Co-Down/0f45b60d-f91d-4fcf-a593-3fdad1481662

The 12th is in kilkeel this year so the old bigot blood will be up. A number of years ago at the traditional burn the pope event, someone forgot to bring the petrol. Furious at this oversight the pope was brought down to the harbour where he was ceremoniously drowned with a noose around his neck in front of the cheering crowd.
                   
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 10, 2014, 03:57:29 PM
Graduated response seems to have started alright.

http://www.u.tv/News/Catholic-church-attacked-in-Co-Down/0f45b60d-f91d-4fcf-a593-3fdad1481662

The 12th is in kilkeel this year so the old bigot blood will be up. A number of years ago at the traditional burn the pope event, someone forgot to bring the petrol. Furious at this oversight the pope was brought down to the harbour where he was ceremoniously drowned with a noose around his neck in front of the cheering crowd.
                 

You can't beat the carnival, festival atmosphere of the 12th.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on July 10, 2014, 04:03:49 PM
You can't beat the carnival, festival atmosphere of the 12th.

Some industrious person could make a killing selling Pope piñatas. Fill them full of bitesize Terry's Chocolate Oranges.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 10, 2014, 04:10:55 PM
You can't beat the carnival, festival atmosphere of the 12th.

Some industrious person could make a killing selling Pope piñatas. Fill them full of bitesize Terry's Chocolate Oranges.

Quite why NITB put public money into this annual bigotfest is beyond me.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on July 10, 2014, 04:18:25 PM
Quite why NITB put public money into this annual bigotfest is beyond me.

If only the nationalist community would embrace this festival then it could rival Rio's Mardi Gras.
Think of the tourist potential.





Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 10, 2014, 06:53:22 PM
Just seen a Reverend something of the OO on the Nordie news.
With spokesmen like him........... total thicko.
Rather nauseating to see the elected leaders of the 2 Unionist Parties joining various collection of Paramilitary reps lining up to do the Orange Order's bidding.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: playwiththewind1st on July 10, 2014, 07:42:51 PM
Just seen a Reverend something of the OO on the Nordie news.
With spokesmen like him........... total thicko.
Rather nauseating to see the elected leaders of the 2 Unionist Parties joining various collection of Paramilitary reps lining up to do the Orange Order's bidding.

Are you in the least bit surprised? This time of year, they all morph into one. Orange Order, DUP, UUP, TUV, UDA, UVF - all the bloody same underneath it all.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 10, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
Do these guys read a different dictionary than the rest of us? I think the meaning of the word democracy seems somewhat different to a "loyalist" than it does to the rest of us...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 10, 2014, 09:09:19 PM
Democracy to them is the majority within their own community. Paisley used to say that Stormont wasn't democratic because the majority of the (narrow) majority didn't agree with it. That was until the DUP became the largest party in the Assembly of course.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 10, 2014, 10:05:48 PM
Yes it doesn't really tally with the real world but sure what's new.

Now they want new legislation on parades to pretty much get them through quicker it seems. Great.

About time someone asked them how much money they're costing every year with their parades.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Zip Code on July 10, 2014, 10:06:52 PM
Yes it doesn't really tally with the real world but sure what's new.

Now they want new legislation on parades to pretty much get them through quicker it seems. Great.

About time someone asked them how much money they're costing every year with their parades.

What price freedom!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tonto on July 10, 2014, 10:36:17 PM
Graduated response seems to have started alright.

http://www.u.tv/News/Catholic-church-attacked-in-Co-Down/0f45b60d-f91d-4fcf-a593-3fdad1481662
Did you not even bother to read the story before posting?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on July 10, 2014, 10:56:24 PM
I'm completely sick and tired of this constant bulls*it coming from unionists about erosion of culture, trampling on civil rights etc etc etc. It's complete horse s*ite and it's about time the media and politicians outside of this turned the screw on them and called them out rather than let them trip it out time after time. They have churned it out so often now they have turned a lie into the truth, at least in the heads of their brain dead supporters. They are not willing to compromise at any level and the fact the parades commission made a few determinations they don't agree with out of the 1000's of parades that happen they are still stuck in their old mentality of not an ounce.

Burning election posters, tricolours, religious artefacts or anything remotely connected to Catholics or the Republic, sticking union flags up outside a church and painting it's gates red white and blue (the list goes on and on) is not and never will be culture. It's plain bigotry and sectarian hate. The OO will deny the bonfires are connected to them but yet the silence from them or indeed a unionist politician condemning any of this will be deafening. Yet they will trip out the old s*ite about this being tradition and culture and it's a big party and everyone is welcome even going as far to welcome Michael D to Rossnowlagh next year. Why the hell would he when the flag of his country will be burned on the majority of bonfires tomorrow night. A welcome with open arms if there ever was one...not.

It's sickening watching the leaders of the unionist parties sitting side by side today trying to justify holding the whole country to ransom on behalf of their OO puppet masters. I really do f**king despair at this place. Are the majority of unionists who voted for (and the few Catholic's Peter is attracting) in agreement with this?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 11, 2014, 09:38:50 AM

Burning election posters, tricolours, religious artefacts or anything remotely connected to Catholics or the Republic, sticking union flags up outside a church and painting it's gates red white and blue (the list goes on and on) is not and never will be culture. It's plain bigotry and sectarian hate. The OO will deny the bonfires are connected to them but yet the silence from them or indeed a unionist politician condemning any of this will be deafening. Yet they will trip out the old s*ite about this being tradition and culture and it's a big party and everyone is welcome even going as far to welcome Michael D to Rossnowlagh next year. Why the hell would he when the flag of his country will be burned on the majority of bonfires tomorrow night. A welcome with open arms if there ever was one...not.


Burning tyres is really bad for the British environment too.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 11, 2014, 10:16:52 AM
The only culture being trampled on, the only hertitage being cast aside by the state is that which forms the background of 45% of the population. Time the Shinners and the Stoops pulled the plug.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: haveaharp on July 11, 2014, 10:18:44 AM
On the burning tyres issue. If it is illegal and pointed out to the authorities, why isn't anything being done ? Should be sent down with a dozer and flatten any bonfire that has tyres on it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on July 11, 2014, 11:28:38 AM
On the burning tyres issue. If it is illegal and pointed out to the authorities, why isn't anything being done ? Should be sent down with a dozer and flatten any bonfire that has tyres on it.

Because they are too s*it scared to do anything about it as it'll spark off some major violence and we'll have to listen to even more of the bulls*it about their civil and human rights being trampled over and their culture and tradition being oppressed. 
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 11, 2014, 11:42:46 AM
On the burning tyres issue. If it is illegal and pointed out to the authorities, why isn't anything being done ? Should be sent down with a dozer and flatten any bonfire that has tyres on it.

Because they are too s*it scared to do anything about it as it'll spark off some major violence and we'll have to listen to even more of the bulls*it about their civil and human rights being trampled over and their culture and tradition being oppressed.

When your entire 'culture' is based around the oppression/ domination of one section of a community, you are in serious trouble. The very existence of the OO is to guard against those bad aul Catholics. You can then dress it up anyway you like, add bonfires, call it orangefest, have marching bands and hymns and prayers it is anti-culture.

In America there is an organisation which dresses up and has rallies and is totally against sections of their own community and they use violence and intimidation as their M.O. the KKK. However their government doesnt bow down to them, doesnt give them grants to hold their hate filled rallies and bonfires or allow them to attack innocent people because they are of a different persuasion.

What strange little place we live in.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: haveaharp on July 11, 2014, 11:58:00 AM
On the burning tyres issue. If it is illegal and pointed out to the authorities, why isn't anything being done ? Should be sent down with a dozer and flatten any bonfire that has tyres on it.

Because they are too s*it scared to do anything about it as it'll spark off some major violence and we'll have to listen to even more of the bulls*it about their civil and human rights being trampled over and their culture and tradition being oppressed.

I know that but at what point is enough enough.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 11, 2014, 12:04:13 PM
Enough was enough a long long time ago.

Politicians *should* have to take responsibility for their actions / words. You have the first minister of here supporting, again, unashamed bigotry. They are answerable for or accountable for nothing it seems.

Bring in legislation they say. Objective legislation for parades exists. The problem they have is that it is objective.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on July 11, 2014, 12:09:41 PM
I know that but at what point is enough enough.

Depends what you had enough of, breaking the law burning tyres on a bonfire or the bare naked sectarian Orangefest that is the not so glorious twelfth.   
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnneycool on July 11, 2014, 12:19:22 PM
Enough was enough a long long time ago.

Politicians *should* have to take responsibility for their actions / words. You have the first minister of here supporting, again, unashamed bigotry. They are answerable for or accountable for nothing it seems.

Bring in legislation they say. Objective legislation for parades exists. The problem they have is that it is objective.

That unashamed bigotry will consistently get him re-elected, the very reason Mike Nesbitt is taking the UUP down the same path.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 11, 2014, 12:26:42 PM
Yep - there is an element of pandering to it but they're also quite clearly bigots too.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Redhand Santa on July 11, 2014, 12:29:27 PM
Until they bring I'm mandatory voting to the north this sectarian politics will continue. I suspect many of the 40 percent plus not voting would have more liberal views and change things considerably in elections.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 11, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
Yeah but then the question is who would bring it in - the ones who would get voted out by it  :-\

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Zip Code on July 11, 2014, 12:32:08 PM
Yep - there is an element of pandering to it but they're also quite clearly bigots too.

Nesbitt, Robinson, Dodds, Donaldson and their mates are simply sectarian b**tards no wonder they get away with it with the moral high grounders on here yapping because some gay couldn't get cream on his pie, these f**kers are running our sham of a province!  You couldn't make it up!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 11, 2014, 12:45:28 PM
The tell tale signs were there at the signing of that shit agreement between the unionist, OO, UVF & UDA etc.
In a normal situation would the leader of the so called country not be the first to sign except here the OO signed first and then Robinson which shows you who is running this place.
Also to sit with that bastrad Billy p***k gives no hope to anyone.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on July 11, 2014, 12:48:48 PM
The tell tale signs were there at the signing of that shit agreement between the unionist, OO, UVF & UDA etc.
In a normal situation would the leader of the so called country not be the first to sign except here the OO signed first and then Robinson which shows you who is running this place.

I noticed that too. Really speaks volumes who's speaking for that section of the unionist community.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AQMP on July 11, 2014, 01:20:30 PM
GARC challenging outward bound part of parade...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28264670
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 11, 2014, 01:43:52 PM
If they ban that too there'll be bedlam...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: HiMucker on July 11, 2014, 02:17:51 PM
Until they bring I'm mandatory voting to the north this sectarian politics will continue. I suspect many of the 40 percent plus not voting would have more liberal views and change things considerably in elections.
Out of interest is mandatory voting conducted in any other countries?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: NAG1 on July 11, 2014, 02:22:05 PM
Until they bring I'm mandatory voting to the north this sectarian politics will continue. I suspect many of the 40 percent plus not voting would have more liberal views and change things considerably in elections.
Out of interest is mandatory voting conducted in any other countries?

Australia?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: tbrick18 on July 11, 2014, 02:38:50 PM
First and foremost, the OO is the biggest blight on this society IMO.
An organisation founded with bigotry at its routes and just because they say it's traditional to march or whatever, doesnt make it right.
It's traditional for the KKK to hang someone because of the colour of their skin.

No other country in the world would tolerate such an organisation, and for this the British government are at blame. The OO should be outlawed, but I know that will never happen.

As for our "government", it's the only system I can ever see working here, until everyone (that's 100%) of poeple here are happy to accept majority rules in government.
We had that setup here before and it didnt work very well as unionists were in the majority and as such the rest of us suffered.
There's no way anyone would accept a fully unionist or fully nationalist government here even with an opposition, so I think what we have is as good as we'll get.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: aontroim abu on July 11, 2014, 03:23:09 PM


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The bonfire close to the Boyne Bridge in South Belfast is set to be torched as part of the Twelfth of July celebration this weekend.Sinn Féin Newtownabbey Councillor Gerry O'Reilly has called on loyalists to remove a stolen GAA banner from a bonfire and return it to its owners.

The bonfire close to the Boyne Bridge in South Belfast is set to be torched as part of the Twelfth of July celebration this weekend and Cllr O'Reilly has called on local politicians and community leaders to intervene and return the banner to St Enda's / Naomh Eanna GAC.

Dubbed the 'most attacked sports club in Ireland' during the Troubles, St. Enda's was founded in 1956 and has since grown into the biggest GAA club in North Belfast.

"The theft of this banner which celebrated St Enda's GAC youth competition is bad enough given the excellent work they carry out in the Glengormley community," Cllr O'Reilly said.

"The banner has now appeared on the bonfire being built close to the Boyne Bridge on Sandy Row.

"This is completely unacceptable. Where is the tolerance and respect in the theft and burning of a GAA banner. This and the burning of election posters and the Irish flag is a hate crime.

"I will be reporting this to the PSNI and would urge local community leaders and politicians to intervene and return this banner to St Enda's GAC."
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Clinker on July 11, 2014, 03:40:40 PM
Noticed her as well on the one they are currently putting the finishing touches to at Broadway Roundabout on the main road into Belfast.




Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 11, 2014, 05:21:52 PM
The Anna Lo election posters took some planning.

They would have been stolen during the election campaign and then stored with the intention of burning them on the Twelfth. And when you think about all the furore about Anna then obviously these low-brows aint gonna listen to anyone except the commander-in-chief.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 11, 2014, 05:32:00 PM
Yeah but then the question is who would bring it in - the ones who would get voted out by it  :-\

I really do hope the unionist turkeys are stupid enough to vote for Christmas and bring the whole shithouse down, Stormont is a farce and a gravy train for MLAs and their families. The vast majority of MLAs, under any other circumstance, wouldn't in a million years achieve a similar job, salary and benefits the like they are paid up there in a meritocracy. Hand responsibility for the brain haemorrhage-sized migraine that is this failed statelet back to London and let them deal with it. That's a quicker road to reunification than the Shinners can deliver IMO
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 07:46:30 PM
Has anyone ever been to Bundoran on 12th July?
What's it like?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 11, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
Has anyone ever been to Bundoran on 12th July?
What's it like?
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Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 11, 2014, 08:35:58 PM
Has anyone ever been to Bundoran on 12th July?
What's it like?
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Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fuzzman on July 11, 2014, 08:39:47 PM
Young hoods all around?
Any decent pubs?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: J OGorman on July 11, 2014, 08:44:16 PM
Young hoods all around?
Any decent pubs?

Brennans for stout, great bar run by 2 old women. Maddens bridge bar is a good bar with top grub. La Sabbia (up the road behind Madden's is a good spot for eats) :-)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hairyUlsterman on July 11, 2014, 08:49:34 PM
I don't know why unionists feel the need to erect such extreme decorations, go through Magherafelt or Cookstown which have over 50% nationalist  population, it just shows their insecurity.
It's 400 years since the death of Ulster chieftain Hugh O'Neill in 20th July 2016, if the towns were decorated with massive arches with images of him and with Ulster province flags/other related Irish flags flying everywhere the unionist lot would go out and riot, the nationalist people are more secure with their identities in most places in N.Ireland.
I wonder what will take place at the 100 year anniversary of the 1916 rising, the politicians will rant about how it's nothing to do with us yet one of the rebels was from Tyrone.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 11, 2014, 09:12:52 PM
I don't know why unionists feel the need to erect such extreme decorations, go through Magherafelt or Cookstown which have over 50% nationalist  population, it just shows their insecurity.
It's 400 years since the death of Ulster chieftain Hugh O'Neill in 20th July 2016, if the towns were decorated with massive arches with images of him and with Ulster province flags/other related Irish flags flying everywhere the unionist lot would go out and riot, the nationalist people are more secure with their identities in most places in N.Ireland.
I wonder what will take place at the 100 year anniversary of the 1916 rising, the politicians will rant about how it's nothing to do with us yet one of the rebels was from Tyrone.

If the unionists do allow anything then it will have to be completely anaemic and neutral, no tri-colours etc etc, so as not to cause upset to unionists or make them feel excluded, just like St Patrick Day. Whereas in the Ardoyne their advice is for Nationlists to stay indoors.

That's equality for ya.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 11, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
I don't know why unionists feel the need to erect such extreme decorations, go through Magherafelt or Cookstown which have over 50% nationalist  population, it just shows their insecurity.
It's 400 years since the death of Ulster chieftain Hugh O'Neill in 20th July 2016, if the towns were decorated with massive arches with images of him and with Ulster province flags/other related Irish flags flying everywhere the unionist lot would go out and riot, the nationalist people are more secure with their identities in most places in N.Ireland.
I wonder what will take place at the 100 year anniversary of the 1916 rising, the politicians will rant about how it's nothing to do with us yet one of the rebels was from Tyrone.

Time there was a plaque on Tom Clarke's house in Dungannon
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 11, 2014, 10:47:25 PM
Has anyone ever been to Bundoran on 12th July?
What's it like?

A cheap sh1t hole. Like every other day of the year I would imagne.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 11, 2014, 11:35:58 PM
Has anyone ever been to Bundoran on 12th July?
What's it like?

A cheap sh1t hole. Like every other day of the year I would imagne.

I don't mind Bundoran. Best to stay away from it on bank holidays though.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 11, 2014, 11:39:15 PM
I can't confirm if true or not but reading reports of Oscar Knox pictures on Antrim Bonfire.  :-\
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 11, 2014, 11:41:53 PM
Heard the same but haven't seen anything. Wouldn't put it past the cnuts mind.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Minder on July 11, 2014, 11:52:49 PM
I can't confirm if true or not but reading reports of Oscar Knox pictures on Antrim Bonfire.  :-\

Saw a photo of one in Antrim earlier and there was nothing about Oscar Knox
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 11, 2014, 11:56:47 PM
They have KAT on the tricolour and then when you zoom in it's Keep Antrim Tidy. How witty...

Also a flag with wee r not racist we just don't like niggas and taigs. Nice.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: EC Unique on July 12, 2014, 12:17:15 AM
I can't confirm if true or not but reading reports of Oscar Knox pictures on Antrim Bonfire.  :-\

Saw a photo of one in Antrim earlier and there was nothing about Oscar Knox

Like I said I just read it. Would hardly be surprising.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on July 12, 2014, 12:21:59 AM
The Shinners are on fire tonight  ;)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 12, 2014, 12:42:34 AM
Totally normal 100% Friday night in the State.
It cannot be overestimated how much the 12th is not part of the make-up.

I appreciate it's not like that in NI.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: hairyUlsterman on July 12, 2014, 01:09:06 AM
You would think the loyalists in places like Ballycraigy would want the name of the place changed as it sounds abit too fenian like.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: laoislad on July 12, 2014, 08:43:55 AM
Happy July 12th.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 12, 2014, 10:48:48 AM
Not a happy 12th for these lads

Three injured in separate stabbings in Belfast
Three men have been injured in separate overnight knife attacks in Belfast.

A 28-year-old man was stabbed during sectarian clashes at Ormeau Bridge, south Belfast. Police separated rival gangs of loyalists and republicans.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Zip Code on July 12, 2014, 11:56:10 AM
As long as the unionist community can celebrate their identify no price is to high.  What a fucked up place we live in.  Wonder if I stacked a load of pallets up stuck an effigy of Peter on it getting hanged, put a load of tyres around and lit it, possible beside a hospital and told the foreigners to f**k off home, I wonder if the PSNI would take some action?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Aerlik on July 12, 2014, 12:07:34 PM
The cornered rat mentality.  The OO is a festering cesspit of hatred which holds only the population of the six counties to ransom, but that of the UK.   
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 12, 2014, 02:35:36 PM
It's the 12th July and it's raining. WTF?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: take_yer_points on July 12, 2014, 03:47:30 PM
It's the 12th July and it's raining. WTF?

Pissing at the minute in north Belfast
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: gerry on July 12, 2014, 09:31:18 PM
Another great way to celebrate your culture.


https://twitter.com/celticissimo/status/488056551232770048 (https://twitter.com/celticissimo/status/488056551232770048)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 12, 2014, 11:18:19 PM
All very mannerly today thank God.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 13, 2014, 07:42:47 AM
Pity the poor cops this year.No big overtime payments.or injury claims and redundancy for the water cannon driver!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on October 07, 2014, 02:46:14 PM
What is the point of the parades commission. Can these OO pricks not do what they are told.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29510532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29510532)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on October 07, 2014, 02:58:02 PM
What is the point of the parades commission. Can these OO pricks not do what they are told.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29510532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29510532)
Nothing more than a fig leaf to allow unionists into talks, although everyone's favourite newsreader could scupper that.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnneycool on October 07, 2014, 03:00:49 PM
What is the point of the parades commission. Can these OO pricks not do what they are told.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29510532 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-29510532)
Nothing more than a fig leaf to allow unionists into talks, although everyone's favourite newsreader could scupper that.

Is there still a wee caravan at Drumcree?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on October 07, 2014, 03:09:09 PM
The parades commission don't see yes to 100% of their requests so they're not viable and impartial ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: charlieTully on October 07, 2014, 03:11:36 PM
money being cut from services left right and centre yet these cnuts are continually facilitated to the tune of millions, what a disgrace.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on October 07, 2014, 03:14:17 PM
It's high time they're made pay for the policing of these parades.  How much twaddell etc costs to the public purse is a joke.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: GJL on October 07, 2014, 03:16:17 PM
It's high time they're made pay for the policing of these parades.  How much twaddell etc costs to the public purse is a joke.

On the radio today that it costs £40K per day!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: charlieTully on October 07, 2014, 03:20:27 PM
the place is on its knees and yet 40k a day can be spent on Twadell. Would be laughable if it wasnt so serious.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on October 07, 2014, 03:35:51 PM
This is why SF/SDLP are sticking to their guns about the welfare reforms. When money can be wasted like this why should they introduce cuts to other vital services.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on October 07, 2014, 04:09:14 PM
2015 election on the horizon too, DUP seats could be crucial. FFS they let walk down the fecking road in the morning, is that not compromise. this place is a joke
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on October 07, 2014, 04:11:51 PM
This is why SF/SDLP are sticking to their guns about the welfare reforms. When money can be wasted like this why should they introduce cuts to other vital services.
SF/SDLP stance on cuts is nor credible either.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Man Marker on October 07, 2014, 04:24:07 PM
The SF stance on cuts has been played to make the DUP/OO concede ground on flags emblems and the past, it has been used as a negotiating strategy.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on October 07, 2014, 04:48:26 PM
I see 1000 jobs are to be lost in Ballymena hi. There will be a lot of people with plenty of time on their in a year or two which could be a bad thing.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on October 07, 2014, 04:55:52 PM
That was a major employer in the area too :-(

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: screenexile on October 07, 2014, 04:57:38 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on October 07, 2014, 05:06:55 PM
Which country are you referring to been fucked. The UK are doing alright, sure are they not the money capital of Europe.
The money that is spent on the bombs they are dropping over in Iraq would pay for a lot here in the north.
I'm not for defending SF but they know the money is there so why not try to get as much as they can.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on October 07, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.

ast week, as the Tory faithful cheered on George Osborne’s new cuts in benefits for the working-age poor, a little story appeared that blew a big hole in the welfare debate. Tucked away in the Guardian last Wednesday, an article revealed that the British government had since 2007 handed Disney almost £170m to make films here. Last year alone the Californian giant took £50m in tax credits. By way of comparison, in April the government will scrap a £347m crisis fund that provides emergency cash for families on the verge of homelessness or starvation.

Benefits are what we grudgingly hand the poor; the rich are awarded tax breaks. Cut through the euphemisms and the Treasury accounting, however, and you’re left with two forms of welfare. Except that the hundreds given to people sleeping on the street has been deemed unaffordable. Those millions for $150bn Disney, on the other hand, that’s apparently money well spent –whoever coined the phrase “taking the Mickey” must have worked for HM Revenue.

Politicians and pundits talk about welfare as if it’s solely cash given to people. Hardly ever discussed is corporate welfare: the grants and subsidies, the contracts and cut-price loans that government hands over to business. Yet some of our biggest companies and industries operate a business model that depends on them extracting money from the British taxpayer. The operators of our supposedly privatised train services are kept afloat by billions in public money. Or take the firm created by billionaire Jeff Bezos: last year it emerged that Amazon had paid less in corporation tax to the UK than it had received in government grants.

The bill for corporate welfare is huge – and largely hidden. We know a lot about the people who claim social welfare: we know how much each benefit costs the public, the government sets strict rules for eligibility – and we even have detailed estimates for how much cheating goes on. Between them, Whitehall, academia and NGOs have churned out enough surveys on social welfare claimants to fill a wing of the Bodleian library. But corporate welfare? The government has itself acknowledged: “There is no definitive source of data about spending on subsidies to businesses in the UK.” The numbers are scattered across government publications and there is not even any agreement on what counts as a corporate handout.

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Instead, what you get on the issue is silence. A very congenial silence for the CBI and other business lobby groups, who can urge ministers to cut benefits for the poor harder and faster, knowing their members are still getting their bungs. An agreeable silence for Osborne and David Cameron, who still argue that the primary problem in Britain is that the public sector “crowds out” private enterprise, without ever acknowledging how much the public subsidises business. Most of all, a silence at the very centre of our democracy.

Kevin Farnsworth, a senior lecturer in social policy at the University of York, has spent the best part of a decade studying corporate welfare – delving through Whitehall spreadsheets and others, and poring over Companies House filings. He’s just produced what is, as far as I know, the first ever comprehensive audit of the British corporate welfare state.

The figures, to be published in a forthcoming report, are astonishing. Farnsworth takes the financial year 2011-12 and tots up the subsidies and grants paid directly to businesses. They amount to over £14bn – that is, almost three times the £5bn paid out that year in income-based jobseeker’s allowance.

Add to that the corporate tax benefits, the value of the cheap credit made available to banks and other business, the insurance schemes run by the government to protect exporters, the marketing for British business laid on by Vince Cable’s ministry, the public procurement from the private sector … Farnsworth calculates that direct corporate welfare costs British taxpayers just shy of £85bn a year.

This, he admits, is a conservative estimate. I would throw in the public subsidy provided to too-big-to-fail banks, or the £25bn taxpayers shelled out that year in tax credits, housing and council tax benefits to people in work but not paid enough by their employers to live on. Nevertheless, Farnsworth has achieved something extraordinary: he has yanked into the open an £85bn subsidy that big business and the government would rather you didn’t know about.

Thinking over this giant corporate bung, two responses immediately suggest themselves. First, it shows up the stupidity of all those newspaper spreads and BBC discussions constantly demanding “What would you cut?”, like some middlebrow ransom note (“Choose now: or the lollipop lady gets it”). It’s a question you’ll be hearing more and more in the run-up to the election. Perhaps next time, as well as mentioning schools, fire services and benefits, some brave Radio 4 presenter will mention the business coaching and marketing and advocacy services provided by the Department for Business (annual cost: nearly £5bn).

The other response you might make is that some business funding is inevitable, even desirable. Perhaps you consider keeping Kenneth Branagh employed in these islands to be a national priority – in which case, roll on those tax reliefs for Disney. I might argue that renewable energy deserves a subsidy. But voters are at least entitled to an informed debate. That is precisely what we’ve not been allowed, through the deliberate obscuring of these sums.

And if taxpayers are to fund corporations, why shouldn’t they demand that those businesses observe certain conditions of basic fairness? The publicly funded train operators should pay their staff living wages, provide decent pensions and sick pay. And all recipients of public money should be banned from using elaborate structures to avoid paying tax.

Our semi-secret system makes no such demands: of the 44 companies that received over £1m in government grants between 2005 and 2011, 13 didn’t pay any corporation tax at all; a further 17 didn’t pay any corporation tax either the year before or the year of receiving their public money. These aren’t two-bit firms, either: Farnsworth’s list includes Tesco Personal Finance, Dell and Plusnet.

And, of course, Amazon – which in 2011 alone took £7.7m from Holyrood for placing a distribution centre in Fife. The Welsh assembly promised it even more: £8.8m, as well as a £3m highway to connect its operations with other road networks. Just finished, it’s called the Ffordd Amazon road, for the avoidance of ambiguity about whose interests it’s meant to serve.

Farnsworth’s research should trigger a public debate about the size and uses of the corporate welfare state. Personally, I’ll believe we’re getting somewhere when Channel 4 puts on Corporate-Benefits Street – with White Dee replaced by Amazon founder and inveterate tax-dodger Jeff Bezos.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on October 07, 2014, 06:06:20 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!
Yeah, but why start at the bottom of the pile? Why not start making cuts / imposing taxes at the upper end of the wage spectrum or on the corporations that rob countries of billions by avoiding paying taxes?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on October 07, 2014, 09:13:58 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Kidder81 on October 07, 2014, 10:28:02 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.

Everyone seems to realise that welfare reform is needed except SF, well I am sure they know it is happening but are just grandstanding.

All the political leaders in the UK have said welfare reform has to happen, Labour have already said they would be introducing similar welfare reform, bar the bedroom tax, but yet it's easier to blame it all on "savage Tory cuts".

Anyone that doesent think there needs to be a reform of the welfare system is living in cuckoo land, and it doesent make you a Tory for seeing the need for welfare reform.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on October 08, 2014, 02:46:08 PM
The rights and wrongs of the welfare cuts are irrelevant. The Tories are going to insist. The Scots situation is going to throw up a scenario in Westminister where a UKIP/Tory majority will be deciding on how the UK budget is sliced out. SF nor the DUP will influence these decisions as English tax payers will not want to fund what is in there eyes a parasite welfare dependant society.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: GJL on October 08, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.

Everyone seems to realise that welfare reform is needed except SF, well I am sure they know it is happening but are just grandstanding.

All the political leaders in the UK have said welfare reform has to happen, Labour have already said they would be introducing similar welfare reform, bar the bedroom tax, but yet it's easier to blame it all on "savage Tory cuts".

Anyone that doesent think there needs to be a reform of the welfare system is living in cuckoo land, and it doesent make you a Tory for seeing the need for welfare reform.

Don't know a pile about welfare but I do know there are a couple of alcos falling about our village here. The local bar owner tells me they get their rent paid for and a couple of hundred pounds a week in benefits as they are signed up alcoholics. I would have no problem with their money being cut off to put more in the pot for better causes.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on October 08, 2014, 03:09:26 PM
I heard someone make a good point yesterday - nobody seems to complain about the cost of britain fighting in 5 or so wars in the past 10 years. Every Hellfire missile fired in Afghanistan costs about £38k
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on October 08, 2014, 03:50:59 PM
I heard someone make a good point yesterday - nobody seems to complain about the cost of britain fighting in 5 or so wars in the past 10 years. Every Hellfire missile fired in Afghanistan costs about £38k
What the British decide to do with their spare cash is up to them At this moment they are claiming jurisdiction over OWC. OWC in fairness wouldn't last 2 seconds if we had to go it alone, although Rory McIlroy could probably buy us out. The British are at the stage where we are a cost burden and they are going to cut that budget bit by bit. If I was them I would do that too.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on October 08, 2014, 03:59:51 PM
I heard someone make a good point yesterday - nobody seems to complain about the cost of britain fighting in 5 or so wars in the past 10 years. Every Hellfire missile fired in Afghanistan costs about £38k
What the British decide to do with their spare cash is up to them At this moment they are claiming jurisdiction over OWC. OWC in fairness wouldn't last 2 seconds if we had to go it alone, although Rory McIlroy could probably buy us out. The British are at the stage where we are a cost burden and they are going to cut that budget bit by bit. If I was them I would do that too.

That drugs shipment which was intercepted off the coast of Cork/Kerry recently would have kept us all going for a while in more ways than one.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on October 08, 2014, 04:00:23 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.

Yes Maguire we do want corporation tax to be the same on both parts of the Island as we believe there should be an equal playing field regarding attracting investment.SF are not economically illiterate and are aware we need to try and encourage companies to set up in Ireland sometimes doing things that are not particularly palatable but the difference between us and Tory parties North,South and in Engalnd is we will not do it at the expense of the vulnerable in our society.We will stand againist the Tory cuts,water charges and anything else we feel is being brought in to benefit the wealthy and big business to the detriment of old,disabled and disadvantaged.SF in the 26 today have just released their costed budget for 2015 which think is worth a read in detail but here is a short synopsis.


Sinn Féin budget supports fair and sustainable recovery - Pearse Doherty

8 October, 2014 - by Pearse Doherty TD

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 Sinn Féin Alternative Budget 2015 (1 MB)
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Sinn Fein’s Finance Spokesperson Pearse Doherty TD has said Sinn Fein’s alternative Budget would repair communities, rebuild the economy and renew society. The budget lays out how Sinn Fein would abolish the local property tax and water charges and our programme for investing in disability services, health and education.

Speaking at the alternative Budget launch Deputy Doherty said:

“Sinn Fein’s alternative budget, which is once again costed by the Departments of Finance and Public Expenditure, shows how this year’s Budget could start to repair communities, rebuild the economy and renew society. The budget is fiscally neutral which as Minister Noonan has pointed out would bring Ireland under the targeted 3% deficit for 2015.

Our priority in Budget 2015 is to reduce the tax burden on working families and low and middle income households by scrapping the property tax and water charges. We would remove all people earning under the minimum wage out of the USC net while we keeping the exemption for households earning under 60,000 and on medical cards.

In a full year our tax raising measures would bring in an additional €1.7bn through a third rate of income tax, restoring CGT and CAT to 40%, a 3% betting tax and a range of other measures. However, the net tax increase will be just €263.7million as our measures would see €1.053bn going back to low- middle income workers.

We have prioritised investment in disability services, through a €202 million package of 11 measures. We would also reverse cuts to the respite care grant and increase the Family Income Supplement. We would tackle the scourge of emigration by restoring the full rate for young jobseekers over two budgets starting with €40 in this budget.

We would hire 1,000 resource teachers and 1,000 nurses and midwives as well as a fund for other frontline workers as required.

On the capital side we would tackle the social housing crisis with a €1 bn injection from the Strategic Investment fund. This alternative would give people a break while balancing the books.”

Put €800m back into the pockets of ordinary workers through the abolition of the property tax and by stopping water charges
Invest an additional €202.6m in disability services and supports
Prioritise investment in health and education to make back to school more affordable and recruit an additional 1.000 nurses and midwives
Help stop forced emigration of our young people by restoring the Jobseekers payment for those under 26 over two years
Invest €1bn from the Strategic Investment Fund to build an additional 6,600 homes over the next 18 months and create 8,000 jobs
Reduce salaries and allowances of high-earners in the public sector and Oireachtas
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on October 08, 2014, 04:03:01 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.

Everyone seems to realise that welfare reform is needed except SF, well I am sure they know it is happening but are just grandstanding.

All the political leaders in the UK have said welfare reform has to happen, Labour have already said they would be introducing similar welfare reform, bar the bedroom tax, but yet it's easier to blame it all on "savage Tory cuts".

Anyone that doesent think there needs to be a reform of the welfare system is living in cuckoo land, and it doesent make you a Tory for seeing the need for welfare reform.

Kidder I have no problem with anything being reformed for the better and I am well aware of those who abuse the system but this is not reform this is CUTS and those suffering will not be the cheats but the old,sick and children.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: GJL on October 08, 2014, 04:31:10 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.

Everyone seems to realise that welfare reform is needed except SF, well I am sure they know it is happening but are just grandstanding.

All the political leaders in the UK have said welfare reform has to happen, Labour have already said they would be introducing similar welfare reform, bar the bedroom tax, but yet it's easier to blame it all on "savage Tory cuts".

Anyone that doesent think there needs to be a reform of the welfare system is living in cuckoo land, and it doesent make you a Tory for seeing the need for welfare reform.

Kidder I have no problem with anything being reformed for the better and I am well aware of those who abuse the system but this is not reform this is CUTS and those suffering will not be the cheats but the old,sick and children.

Would it not be an idea to look for reform to get rid of the cheats? Maybe that would cost too many votes? As far as I can see the system is too easy for cheats to work so change the system would be a good idea. May not be too popular with a lot of voters though!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on October 08, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.

Everyone seems to realise that welfare reform is needed except SF, well I am sure they know it is happening but are just grandstanding.

All the political leaders in the UK have said welfare reform has to happen, Labour have already said they would be introducing similar welfare reform, bar the bedroom tax, but yet it's easier to blame it all on "savage Tory cuts".

Anyone that doesent think there needs to be a reform of the welfare system is living in cuckoo land, and it doesent make you a Tory for seeing the need for welfare reform.

Kidder I have no problem with anything being reformed for the better and I am well aware of those who abuse the system but this is not reform this is CUTS and those suffering will not be the cheats but the old,sick and children.

Would it not be an idea to look for reform to get rid of the cheats? Maybe that would cost too many votes? As far as I can see the system is too easy for cheats to work so change the system would be a good idea. May not be too popular with a lot of voters though!

Yeah I would have no problem with that,but that is not what is happening.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Kidder81 on October 08, 2014, 05:34:57 PM
I heard someone make a good point yesterday - nobody seems to complain about the cost of britain fighting in 5 or so wars in the past 10 years. Every Hellfire missile fired in Afghanistan costs about £38k
What the British decide to do with their spare cash is up to them At this moment they are claiming jurisdiction over OWC. OWC in fairness wouldn't last 2 seconds if we had to go it alone, although Rory McIlroy could probably buy us out. The British are at the stage where we are a cost burden and they are going to cut that budget bit by bit. If I was them I would do that too.

There is absolutely no evidence of the Brits being anymore severe on us than anywhere else in the UK,  in fact the cuts here have been nowhere near as severe as in other government  departments in Whitehall.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: charlieTully on October 08, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.

Everyone seems to realise that welfare reform is needed except SF, well I am sure they know it is happening but are just grandstanding.

All the political leaders in the UK have said welfare reform has to happen, Labour have already said they would be introducing similar welfare reform, bar the bedroom tax, but yet it's easier to blame it all on "savage Tory cuts".

Anyone that doesent think there needs to be a reform of the welfare system is living in cuckoo land, and it doesent make you a Tory for seeing the need for welfare reform.

Kidder I have no problem with anything being reformed for the better and I am well aware of those who abuse the system but this is not reform this is CUTS and those suffering will not be the cheats but the old,sick and children.

Would it not be an idea to look for reform to get rid of the cheats? Maybe that would cost too many votes? As far as I can see the system is too easy for cheats to work so change the system would be a good idea. May not be too popular with a lot of voters though!

Yeah I would have no problem with that,but that is not what is happening.

it is happening already, everyone on DLA is having their case reviewed. Wether it weeds out the cheats remains to be seen.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: glens abu on October 08, 2014, 05:50:05 PM
That's what the Politicians should be focussing on rather than that guff at Twaddell.

£40k a day to Gallaghers would soon keep all those people employed!

PS. Sinn Fein's stance on the Welfare Reform is disgraceful also. They need to get into the real world and realise that the Country's fucked and it's going to be hard for a while longer!!

Tories like you should be ashamed of yourselves,cut benefits to the disabled and the poor but look after big buisness.
Is your party not looking to reduce corporation tax? And there's no shortage of photo calls with the dFM at the announcement of new jobs supported by Invest NI grants.

Everyone seems to realise that welfare reform is needed except SF, well I am sure they know it is happening but are just grandstanding.

All the political leaders in the UK have said welfare reform has to happen, Labour have already said they would be introducing similar welfare reform, bar the bedroom tax, but yet it's easier to blame it all on "savage Tory cuts".

Anyone that doesent think there needs to be a reform of the welfare system is living in cuckoo land, and it doesent make you a Tory for seeing the need for welfare reform.

Kidder I have no problem with anything being reformed for the better and I am well aware of those who abuse the system but this is not reform this is CUTS and those suffering will not be the cheats but the old,sick and children.

Would it not be an idea to look for reform to get rid of the cheats? Maybe that would cost too many votes? As far as I can see the system is too easy for cheats to work so change the system would be a good idea. May not be too popular with a lot of voters though!

Yeah I would have no problem with that,but that is not what is happening.

it is happening already, everyone on DLA is having their case reviewed. Wether it weeds out the cheats remains to be seen.

Yeah very true and I know a doctor who sits on the review panels and it is getting extremely hard to stay on DLA,but I am always concerned as it appears cheats are a bit like criminals they are always ahead of the posse and it will be the genuine cases who suffer.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on October 08, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
What the British decide to do with their spare cash is up to them At this moment they are claiming jurisdiction over OWC. OWC in fairness wouldn't last 2 seconds if we had to go it alone, although Rory McIlroy could probably buy us out. The British are at the stage where we are a cost burden and they are going to cut that budget bit by bit. If I was them I would do that too.

A choice between being ruled by Britain or Rory McIllroy, I'd have to think about that one.  :(
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on October 09, 2014, 11:00:34 AM
I heard someone make a good point yesterday - nobody seems to complain about the cost of britain fighting in 5 or so wars in the past 10 years. Every Hellfire missile fired in Afghanistan costs about £38k
What the British decide to do with their spare cash is up to them At this moment they are claiming jurisdiction over OWC. OWC in fairness wouldn't last 2 seconds if we had to go it alone, although Rory McIlroy could probably buy us out. The British are at the stage where we are a cost burden and they are going to cut that budget bit by bit. If I was them I would do that too.

There is absolutely no evidence of the Brits being anymore severe on us than anywhere else in the UK,  in fact the cuts here have been nowhere near as severe as in other government  departments in Whitehall.
I didn't say that they were any more severe, however with the changing dynamic in Scotland, ther will be more and more cuts here. As Vince Cable pointed out the Tory's are a party of cuts. Labour look unlikely to get back into power anytime soon and a UKIP/Conservative Government is not an unlikely proposition, just watch what they'll do to the Paddies then.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Maguire01 on October 09, 2014, 07:13:45 PM
The thing is, welfare is devolved to the Assembly, so the parties can do what they want with it. But if they want to break parity with GB and have a more "generous" system, they'll have to fund the difference from money that would otherwise be spent elsewhere. The idea that NI can breeze through without any cuts just doesn't stack up. SF and the SDLP need to either propose a solution, or say that it's acceptable to spend less on health, education, roads etc. to retain the current spending on welfare. It's one tough decision or the other.

And if the Assembly can't handle this, there's no way tax varying powers should be devolved. I'd have little faith that they could generate the investment required to balance the associated hit to the block grant.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Kidder81 on October 09, 2014, 10:02:38 PM
Never worry, the geniuses on the hill have borrowed £100m to get us out of the mire  :(
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: muppet on October 12, 2014, 12:58:48 AM
I love the way Pearse says the SF alternative budget was 'once again costed by the Departments of Finance and Public Expenditure'.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on October 17, 2014, 05:12:53 PM
I see the apprentice boys are getting 4 million for a museum in Derry.
should have stopped this until long kesh got the green light.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-29660004
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on October 17, 2014, 05:48:02 PM
I see the apprentice boys are getting 4 million for a museum in Derry.
should have stopped this until long kesh got the green light.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-29660004
Disagree. Things are very positive in Derry - they seem to have cracked the whole parading problem up there. It would be foolish to throw that in the air for the sake of a bit of whataboutery.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on October 17, 2014, 05:50:32 PM
Poor Castledawson can't get a set of fairy lights.  :(
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on October 17, 2014, 06:09:59 PM
I see the apprentice boys are getting 4 million for a museum in Derry.
should have stopped this until long kesh got the green light.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-29660004
Disagree. Things are very positive in Derry - they seem to have cracked the whole parading problem up there. It would be foolish to throw that in the air for the sake of a bit of whataboutery.

That might be the case but it seems like when the orangemen are in the minority in an area they don't make as much of a fuss since they are getting their way.

If one side is willing to accommodate their history shouldnt they in turn support the other? This is part of history they are unwilling to preserve, just happens that they don't like it.



Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Myles Na G. on October 17, 2014, 07:43:24 PM
I see the apprentice boys are getting 4 million for a museum in Derry.
should have stopped this until long kesh got the green light.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-29660004
Disagree. Things are very positive in Derry - they seem to have cracked the whole parading problem up there. It would be foolish to throw that in the air for the sake of a bit of whataboutery.

That might be the case but it seems like when the orangemen are in the minority in an area they don't make as much of a fuss since they are getting their way.

If one side is willing to accommodate their history shouldnt they in turn support the other? This is part of history they are unwilling to preserve, just happens that they don't like it.
When nationalists / republicans are in a majority, compromise is possible, because unionists realise they have no choice but to cut a deal. In such circumstances, the outcome is usually quite favourable to unionists, probably much to their surprise. They are convinced that nationalists are engaged in cultural warfare, that they are determined to purge the land of every vestige of loyalist culture. They haven't grasped that it's not the culture itself that nationalists object to, but the notion of supremacy that goes with it, the idea that they're entitled to march where they want, when they want, and on their own terms. Once that particular bubble is burst, and proper respect is given to the rest of the community, nationalists are quite content for parades to go ahead.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: foxcommander on October 18, 2014, 06:12:13 AM
I see the apprentice boys are getting 4 million for a museum in Derry.
should have stopped this until long kesh got the green light.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-29660004
Disagree. Things are very positive in Derry - they seem to have cracked the whole parading problem up there. It would be foolish to throw that in the air for the sake of a bit of whataboutery.

That might be the case but it seems like when the orangemen are in the minority in an area they don't make as much of a fuss since they are getting their way.

If one side is willing to accommodate their history shouldnt they in turn support the other? This is part of history they are unwilling to preserve, just happens that they don't like it.
When nationalists / republicans are in a majority, compromise is possible, because unionists realise they have no choice but to cut a deal. In such circumstances, the outcome is usually quite favourable to unionists, probably much to their surprise. They are convinced that nationalists are engaged in cultural warfare, that they are determined to purge the land of every vestige of loyalist culture. They haven't grasped that it's not the culture itself that nationalists object to, but the notion of supremacy that goes with it, the idea that they're entitled to march where they want, when they want, and on their own terms. Once that particular bubble is burst, and proper respect is given to the rest of the community, nationalists are quite content for parades to go ahead.

The deal should be scuppered at the 11th hour unless they compromise on Long Kesh.
Theres enough in the apprentice boys who could influence a decision.

no room for charity right now nor handing over 4 million to an "exclusive" organization without a little goodwill the other way.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on October 18, 2014, 01:02:18 PM
Totally agree. This shoud be blocked. When they have the cheek to say the new A5 is gona be 30 yrs away from being completed no protestant organisation in the west should get a penny
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on October 20, 2014, 10:23:04 AM
Two wrongs do not make a right. The more a nationalist/republican majority is seen to act in a spirit of generosity when in a majority, the more it shows up Nesbitt and Robinson for their petty small mindedness.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on October 20, 2014, 10:50:50 AM
Totally agree. This shoud be blocked. When they have the cheek to say the new A5 is gona be 30 yrs away from being completed no protestant organisation in the west should get a penny

I don't agree with this. Economic/civil development should not be overlapped with political stuff.
And I do agree with  Applesisapples point about civilised treatment of a minority, even if they act the bollix in places where they are the majority.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on October 20, 2014, 10:57:45 AM
The apprentice boys are much better than the OO. They have taken responsibility for actions etc. The OO should receive nothing but apprentice boys are a different kettle of fish.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: LeoMc on October 20, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
Totally agree. This shoud be blocked. When they have the cheek to say the new A5 is gona be 30 yrs away from being completed no protestant organisation in the west should get a penny
Who are the "they"?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ziggysego on October 20, 2014, 12:14:12 PM
Totally agree. This shoud be blocked. When they have the cheek to say the new A5 is gona be 30 yrs away from being completed no protestant organisation in the west should get a penny
Who are the "they"?

them'uns
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on October 20, 2014, 01:22:31 PM
I think the museum is a great idea.

That's where the real value of the Apprentice Boys and Orange Order is - in a museum. Will the museum start with the Siege of Derry?

I would visit an OO museum where hopefully they would have the starry plough on display as well as early OO flags and Peep O'Day boys.

The museum could become a major tourist attraction, unlike the marches. The OO have a lot of historical family information, which the yanks would love. Indeed, some of the early OO meetings are recording in Irish.

Let's take a responsible input to the Museum and dont let it become a shine. Where have I heard that before!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: ballinaman on June 25, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
Sandy Row bonfire this morning.... 8)


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hardy on June 25, 2015, 11:10:21 AM
That's tragic.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: illdecide on June 25, 2015, 11:29:55 AM
That's tragic.

And no Flegs on it either...community relations must be improving
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on June 25, 2015, 11:48:47 AM
and possibly nothing to do with this ...

"Two men have been seriously injured after being attacked in south Belfast.

The assault occurred in the Donegall Road area at around 9.30pm on Saturday 20 June 2015.

One of the men suffered a serious head injury and is currently in a critical condition in hospital.

The second man suffered facial injuries, however his condition is not believed to be life threatening.

Detective Sergeant Kenneth Leckey said: "The assault occurred whilst a band parade was taking place in the area. It is understood that the two males are brothers."
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on June 25, 2015, 11:56:29 AM
Given that such a large fire occurred, one expects that they will  be clearing away the other combusable material in the area.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: pullhard on June 25, 2015, 12:04:32 PM
Pallets cost a good bit. These folks are quite literary burning money, suppose its better for the environment than the massive Tyre fires of yester-year
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on June 25, 2015, 12:09:44 PM
Pallets cost a good bit. These folks are quite literary burning money, suppose its better for the environment than the massive Tyre fires of yester-year

It's ok though,  it's not their own money!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on June 25, 2015, 01:13:29 PM
Was this fire another nationalist prank? Were the thugs guards distracted by the band parade?

The whole site is a very sad view from the Days Hotel. But of course they will say it is their tradition.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on June 25, 2015, 02:15:03 PM
Sectarian motives were behind the lighting of the bonfire...

Oh the irony!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omaghjoe on June 25, 2015, 03:35:26 PM
Wise up lads, its no joke and must be brutally disheartening for the kids that take days and weeks of school to build the thing

On a serious note tho, with all that material lying everywhere that could quickly catch some buildings
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: gallsman on June 25, 2015, 03:36:26 PM
Was this fire another nationalist prank? Were the thugs guards distracted by the band parade?

The whole site is a very sad view from the Days Hotel. But of course they will say it is their tradition.

That eyesore of a hotel is in itself a very sad view.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on June 25, 2015, 05:22:46 PM
Wise up lads, its no joke and must be brutally disheartening for the kids that take days and weeks of school to build the thing

On a serious note tho, with all that material lying everywhere that could quickly catch some buildings

Emmm, I just hope you didn't skip on English grammar classes to build your own bonfire. Only joking!!!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on June 25, 2015, 05:35:31 PM
Marching down the Falls to work today the whole place stank to high heaven ... some culture all right, polluting the air. And the Orange Order telling people not to get hung up over fact there's no tricolour outside its new museum alongside other flags of nations with Orange lodges ... like the Orange Order would never get hung up over a flag  ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: stew on June 26, 2015, 04:53:48 AM
Marching down the Falls to work today the whole place stank to high heaven ... some culture all right, polluting the air. And the Orange Order telling people not to get hung up over fact there's no tricolour outside its new museum alongside other flags of nations with Orange lodges ... like the Orange Order would never get hung up over a flag  ::)

Hey now, easy fellah, they were, back in the forties good enough to back us apple munchers to the tune of 30 strips for the county team since we were broke so they cant all be bad, that said, when the rest of the Orangemen found out what they had done they had the Lodge closed.

That Lodge out of Loughgall are the reason we wear Orange and White to this day bless their hearts! ;)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omaghjoe on June 26, 2015, 05:34:34 AM
Marching down the Falls to work today the whole place stank to high heaven ... some culture all right, polluting the air. And the Orange Order telling people not to get hung up over fact there's no tricolour outside its new museum alongside other flags of nations with Orange lodges ... like the Orange Order would never get hung up over a flag  ::)

Hey now, easy fellah, they were, back in the forties good enough to back us apple munchers to the tune of 30 strips for the county team since we were broke so they cant all be bad, that said, when the rest of the Orangemen found out what they had done they had the Lodge closed.

That Lodge out of Loughgall are the reason we wear Orange and White to this day bless their hearts! ;)

Is that right? I never knew that.

On a side note I googled "why do armagh wear orange". And I got this on yahoo answers

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100328174216AATjVxA

:DWhere the feck do you even start with answering that.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: stew on June 26, 2015, 06:02:00 AM
Marching down the Falls to work today the whole place stank to high heaven ... some culture all right, polluting the air. And the Orange Order telling people not to get hung up over fact there's no tricolour outside its new museum alongside other flags of nations with Orange lodges ... like the Orange Order would never get hung up over a flag  ::)

Hey now, easy fellah, they were, back in the forties good enough to back us apple munchers to the tune of 30 strips for the county team since we were broke so they cant all be bad, that said, when the rest of the Orangemen found out what they had done they had the Lodge closed.

That Lodge out of Loughgall are the reason we wear Orange and White to this day bless their hearts! ;)

Is that right? I never knew that.

On a side note I googled "why do armagh wear orange". And I got this on yahoo answers

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100328174216AATjVxA

Jesus wept!


:DWhere the feck do you even start with answering that.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on June 26, 2015, 09:44:26 AM
Marching down the Falls to work today the whole place stank to high heaven ... some culture all right, polluting the air. And the Orange Order telling people not to get hung up over fact there's no tricolour outside its new museum alongside other flags of nations with Orange lodges ... like the Orange Order would never get hung up over a flag  ::)

According to the press, there is no tricolour because Orangemen in Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan feel more British than Irish.

Is anyone planning to go to the Museum? I'd like to know if they display the meeting minutes, some of which were recorded in Irish.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: deiseach on June 26, 2015, 10:37:15 AM
Marching down the Falls to work today the whole place stank to high heaven ... some culture all right, polluting the air. And the Orange Order telling people not to get hung up over fact there's no tricolour outside its new museum alongside other flags of nations with Orange lodges ... like the Orange Order would never get hung up over a flag  ::)

Hey now, easy fellah, they were, back in the forties good enough to back us apple munchers to the tune of 30 strips for the county team since we were broke so they cant all be bad, that said, when the rest of the Orangemen found out what they had done they had the Lodge closed.

That Lodge out of Loughgall are the reason we wear Orange and White to this day bless their hearts! ;)

Is that right? I never knew that.

On a side note I googled "why do armagh wear orange". And I got this on yahoo answers

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100328174216AATjVxA

:DWhere the feck do you even start with answering that.

By directing 'Kevin' to the search result above your query in Google!

Quote
Armagh/Ard Mhacha – Orange and White (https://www.google.ie/search?q=gaa+colours&oq=gaa+colours&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1872j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=why+do+armagh+wear+orange)
Up to 1926 Armagh wore the same colours as Kilkenny. In 1926 they played Dublin in the All-Ireland Junior Semi-Final and wore jerseys knit specially for them by nuns in Omeath in the colours which are used at present.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on June 26, 2015, 03:00:38 PM
Marching down the Falls to work today the whole place stank to high heaven ... some culture all right, polluting the air. And the Orange Order telling people not to get hung up over fact there's no tricolour outside its new museum alongside other flags of nations with Orange lodges ... like the Orange Order would never get hung up over a flag  ::)

Hey now, easy fellah, they were, back in the forties good enough to back us apple munchers to the tune of 30 strips for the county team since we were broke so they cant all be bad, that said, when the rest of the Orangemen found out what they had done they had the Lodge closed.



That Lodge out of Loughgall are the reason we wear Orange and White to this day bless their hearts! ;)

I've heard that story... I've also heard it's a complete myth. Youse boys, a drop of Buckfast in yis and you'd believe anything!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 13, 2015, 09:07:02 PM
At what age do most people stop collecting rubbish for, or attend a bonfire? I remember we used to light one at Halloween, but stopped doing that aged about 13.

Looks like you're never too old to collect for a 11th night bonfire though.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 13, 2015, 09:30:29 PM
Where can I see live feeds of the riots on the Crumlin Road.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 13, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
Where can I see live feeds of the riots on the Crumlin Road.

Try the other thread grids on windows.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AZOffaly on July 13, 2015, 09:38:14 PM
I just saw an ad on RTE for the new Museum of Orange Culture up in Belfast and Loughgall. Are they serious with this shit?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 13, 2015, 09:57:58 PM
I just saw an ad on RTE for the new Museum of Orange Culture up in Belfast and Loughgall. Are they serious with this shit?

Come on up, Az.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AZOffaly on July 13, 2015, 10:02:08 PM
No bother going to any county in Ireland, but I'll be fucked if I'm going to a museum for them shower of bigotted, troublemaking fucksticks.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 13, 2015, 10:34:29 PM
And it's kicked off.

Rumours of police officer having ear ripped off and a car driven into a crowd of people then the people overturning it.

Every year this shit goes on except for one where the very noble loyalist paramilitaries wouldn't allow them. Sick listening to it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on July 13, 2015, 10:52:45 PM
Loyalist rammed car into crowd, majority of reports say the cops lifted the car off the young girl.


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 13, 2015, 11:02:56 PM
Loyalist rammed car into crowd, majority of reports say the cops lifted the car off the young girl.

Loyalist charged with attempted murder, according to some sources.

It seems like a right respectable car, nicer than mine.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Gaffer on July 13, 2015, 11:05:18 PM
No bother going to any county in Ireland, but I'll be fucked if I'm going to a museum for them shower of bigotted, troublemaking fucksticks.

  You are not Jarlath Burns then!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: screenexile on July 13, 2015, 11:07:49 PM
This live feed job is some craic! A crowd of c***ts are beginning to gather and about 6 lamdrivers have flown past there I think something is going down very shortly!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: angermanagement on July 14, 2015, 12:46:26 AM
How did the car get that far down the Crumlin Road ? from the pictures I seen the police had it filled with land rovers.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: stew on July 14, 2015, 03:40:56 AM
How did the car get that far down the Crumlin Road ? from the pictures I seen the police had it filled with land rovers.

The peelers are useless c***ts, always have been, always will be, In the States that f**ker would have been dead before he got to hurt a 16 year old child, I despise the absolute uselessness of the SSRUC/PISSNI.



Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 14, 2015, 09:47:13 AM
The PSNI were the victims in all of this according to all the reports.

One loyalist protestor / rioter or whatever way you want to describe them yourself must have had very very sharp teeth : One officer required 12 stitches to a finger after being bitten.


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: MoChara on July 14, 2015, 10:03:04 AM
Peeler lost his ear by getting clipped with a bolt I heard.

The car that drove over the kid had been doing laps up and down in front of protestors.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 14, 2015, 10:30:38 AM
You look at policing etc over the course of the 12th and you have to question a lot of things...

- why did 53 houses have to be evacuated because a bonfire was unsafe? It had been for weeks so why was it not mandated they take it down?

- why were you getting laughable tweets from deputy chief of psni to talk about working together with the fire service to keep people safe when the road behind him was on fire?

- why when effigies etc are being put on these bonfires are they not being made to take them off

- why when racist flags are flown do the police have to liaise with community officers rather than take them down themselves

These guys get a free run at times. Don't get me wrong the policing over here has improved a lot but you look at the free ride a lot of people get round the 12th and you think it has a bit to go yet.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AZOffaly on July 14, 2015, 10:33:32 AM
The rage these numpties have at the PSNI makes me think they are doing something right.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Minder on July 14, 2015, 10:39:19 AM
How did the car get that far down the Crumlin Road ? from the pictures I seen the police had it filled with land rovers.

The peelers are useless c***ts, always have been, always will be, In the States that f**ker would have been dead before he got to hurt a 16 year old child, I despise the absolute uselessness of the SSRUC/PISSNI.

There might have been a few innocent bystanders dead too stew if it was policed like in the U.S.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 14, 2015, 10:44:19 AM
The rage these numpties have at the PSNI makes me think they are doing something right.

The 12th and a good few cans are a potent mix.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: AZOffaly on July 14, 2015, 10:45:00 AM
They hate the PSNI all year though. The facebook comments by these apes are hilarious. Not a clue.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 14, 2015, 10:54:22 AM
They hate the PSNI all year though. The facebook comments by these apes are hilarious. Not a clue.

The temper rises badly this time of the year.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 14, 2015, 10:57:22 AM
Yeah they actually seem to believe that their human rights are being breached by the parades commission / PSNI despite at most 5% of parades being rerouted.

The PSNI are improving but the bonfire and flag things suggest that they either haven't or don't take enough power. It is very possibly mandated that it works like that by politicians though as there seems to be a community group "layer" getting plenty of money who do "on the ground" negotiations.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 14, 2015, 11:57:15 AM
See on Twitter that GARC named the alleged driver of the car, also some girl on Facebook who witnessed it said it was deliberate - plenty of loyalists trying to say that the driver panicked after being attacked by a crowd.  ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 14, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
A bonfire in Co Derry had many GAA flags on it, obviously in support for the many teams in c'ship action last weekend.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 14, 2015, 01:38:38 PM
Nelson McCausland on the wireless at lunchtime lambasting the residents of Ardoyne because, he says, they have no respect for Orangemen. Hellooooo Nelson, here is a bit of whataboutery, what respect was being shown by burning tricolours on the bonfires?
/endof whataboutery
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 14, 2015, 01:55:33 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/14/new-loyalist-terror-group-threatens-police-and-parades-commission
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 14, 2015, 02:06:17 PM
You read enough nonsense on social media that would suggest this isn't a surprise.

These people always blame other people and all this biasedness for their bad press failing to understand that it's themselves that creates their own bad press.

McCausland is a no good bigot.

They have an audacity calling themselves PUL. Most protestants would want nothing to do with them.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: MoChara on July 14, 2015, 02:22:15 PM
See on Twitter that GARC named the alleged driver of the car, also some girl on Facebook who witnessed it said it was deliberate - plenty of loyalists trying to say that the driver panicked after being attacked by a crowd.  ::)

My Friends were there when the car reversed into the crowd, The cars had been driving up and down a few times in front of the protestors taunting them out the window, the last time they got stopped at a red light and the crowd cheered at them, when a young fella run up to the car holding a poster the driver put it in reverse trying to hit the young fella missing and veering into a crowd including the young girl, the car was flipped over by the crowd and police as the girl was trapped under it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Rossfan on July 14, 2015, 02:32:25 PM
I seem to have missed the condemnations of that disgraceful act from the DUP, UUP, and all the other UPs plus the Orange Order, Church of Ireland, Presbyterian Church etc ::)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 14, 2015, 02:38:37 PM
Everything is the parades commissions fault.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: orangeman on July 14, 2015, 02:48:30 PM
Had the driver a valid licence and insurance ? Was it his own car ?.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 93-DY-SAM on July 14, 2015, 03:44:26 PM
I seem to have missed the condemnations of that disgraceful act from the DUP, UUP, and all the other UPs plus the Orange Order, Church of Ireland, Presbyterian Church etc ::)

Therein lies a big part of the problem. Absolutely no leadership being shown by so called Protestant leaders who are afraid to stick their neck above the parapet and God forbid speak out about the carry on that goes on at this time of the year. I'm am sick to the back teeth about hearing this sh1te about culture, oppression, civil rights etc etc. It's a breeding ground for people like Jamie Bryson and Willie Frazer who sucker the PUL community into believing they are on the receiving end of some kind of cultural genocide.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 14, 2015, 05:45:23 PM
Therein lies a big part of the problem. Absolutely no leadership being shown by so called Protestant leaders who are afraid to stick their neck above the parapet and God forbid speak out about the carry on that goes on at this time of the year. I'm am sick to the back teeth about hearing this sh1te about culture, oppression, civil rights etc etc. It's a breeding ground for people like Jamie Bryson and Willie Frazer who sucker the PUL community into believing they are on the receiving end of some kind of cultural genocide.

Absolutely. There are also scumbags on the nationalist side too, but nobody on the nationalist side (or very few) justifies this.

Anyhow the supression of the Protestant people is being addressed
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/new-loyalist-terror-group-issues-death-threat-to-psni-and-parades-commission-as-legitimate-targets-31375831.html
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 16, 2015, 03:22:20 PM
Leadership from Unionist Politicians is sadly lacking. They can't even condemn mindless violence from so called loyalists against the forces of the state without a qualifying what about...Dodds and McCausland are the worst but definitely not alone in this regard.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 17, 2015, 12:16:39 AM
Leadership from Unionist Politicians is sadly lacking. They can't even condemn mindless violence from so called loyalists against the forces of the state without a qualifying what about...Dodds and McCausland are the worst but definitely not alone in this regard.

The only political leader (from a loyalist background) that had the balls and intellect to call a spade a spade, be it against individuals with his own unionisloyalist spectrum sadly died a few years ago....and if there was someone with a bit of backbone and intelligence to step away from the norm he/she would be applauded by both sides.... Cant see it happening any day soon
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 17, 2015, 07:13:40 AM
This is largely loyalist paramilitaries copying Sinn Fein's 800 years of oppression tactics and gaining control over their own communities.The main unionist parties don't and never will care about this constituency.They know they are assured of their vote (a few PUP council seats notwithstanding) in the main Westminster/Stormont elections in any case.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: theskull1 on July 17, 2015, 07:53:53 AM
It's striking to me, the mind processing similarities of so called unionist political leadership and any devout follower of religion. There has to be a threat to do the right thing or else before they see it as the right thing to do. Funny that  :-\


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Orior on July 23, 2015, 01:07:46 PM
She'll do anything for a bottle of WKD...

http://www.u.tv/News/2015/07/20/Mother-accused-of-trying-to-scale-peace-wall-bailed-41384 (http://www.u.tv/News/2015/07/20/Mother-accused-of-trying-to-scale-peace-wall-bailed-41384)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 23, 2015, 01:52:23 PM
She'll do anything for a bottle of WKD...

http://www.u.tv/News/2015/07/20/Mother-accused-of-trying-to-scale-peace-wall-bailed-41384 (http://www.u.tv/News/2015/07/20/Mother-accused-of-trying-to-scale-peace-wall-bailed-41384)

She doesn't sound the easily embarrassed type!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Shamrock Shore on July 11, 2016, 02:57:32 PM

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 11, 2016, 10:10:05 PM
see that **** Campbell is stirring the shit up the day against coming up to the 12th, i know there a thread on him but couldn't find it, Celtic should be taking that bigoted scum up for slander against their football club, seriously think if i came across him on the street i lost the run of myself
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: T Fearon on July 12, 2016, 06:29:18 AM
As a Celtic shareholder I submitted a formal complaint to the PSNI about this yesterday morning.To be fair they agreed it was a legitimate complaint and the post obnoxious and had their legal team look at it but decided they could do nothing about it as no specific person was mentioned or implied threat contained therein.The officer did say (and he also alluded to Willie Fraser specifically as well ) words to the effect and the word eejit was used "Sure no one takes eejits like this seriously anyway!" 😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Gaffer on July 12, 2016, 07:10:05 AM
As a Celtic shareholder I submitted a formal complaint to the PSNI about this yesterday morning.To be fair they agreed it was a legitimate complaint and the post obnoxious and had their legal team look at it but decided they could do nothing about it as no specific person was mentioned or implied threat contained therein.The officer did say (and he also alluded to Willie Fraser specifically as well ) words to the effect and the word eejit was used "Sure no one takes eejits like this seriously anyway!" 😂😂😂😂😂

Was the officer talking about Campbell or you, Tony?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 12, 2016, 09:10:32 AM
"Are you thon arsehole from the gaaboard"? I heard they said  ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: SHEEDY on July 13, 2016, 10:49:22 PM
i wonder how many of the bandsmen videod by the psni will be interviewed or arrested on public order offences?

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/753320367687503873
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Íseal agus crua isteach a on July 13, 2016, 11:24:04 PM
i wonder how many of the bandsmen videod by the psni will be interviewed or arrested on public order offences?

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/753320367687503873

Im very familiar with this incident. A longer video of this tape exists but won't be put on social media. It is being held back for evidence for the up coming  court case. Its damning for the loyalist band and the British state police.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2016, 11:58:38 PM
They shouldn't be allowed to march with faces obscured by paint.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 14, 2016, 12:56:59 PM
i wonder how many of the bandsmen videod by the psni will be interviewed or arrested on public order offences?

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/753320367687503873

Im very familiar with this incident. A longer video of this tape exists but won't be put on social media. It is being held back for evidence for the up coming  court case. Its damning for the loyalist band and the British state police.
Quite why the UDA are allowed to march through an 80% nationalist town is beyond me. Was like a throwback to the 80s them jumping around like monkeys in the zoo playing their flutes while the PSNI manhandled Cllr McShane.  That scum shouldn't be allowed to march again never mind in a nationalist town
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 14, 2016, 05:56:32 PM
i wonder how many of the bandsmen videod by the psni will be interviewed or arrested on public order offences?

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/753320367687503873

Im very familiar with this incident. A longer video of this tape exists but won't be put on social media. It is being held back for evidence for the up coming  court case. Its damning for the loyalist band and the British state police.
Quite why the UDA are allowed to march through an 80% nationalist town is beyond me. Was like a throwback to the 80s them jumping around like monkeys in the zoo playing their flutes while the PSNI manhandled Cllr McShane.  That scum shouldn't be allowed to march again never mind in a nationalist town

They should never have been allowed to march anywhere after their disgraceful dancing on the graves of five innocents outside Sean Grahams bookies on the Ormeau Road... utter, utter scum of the universe with their pathetic racist excuse of a culture
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: give her dixie on July 15, 2016, 12:07:45 AM
i wonder how many of the bandsmen videod by the psni will be interviewed or arrested on public order offences?

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/753320367687503873

Im very familiar with this incident. A longer video of this tape exists but won't be put on social media. It is being held back for evidence for the up coming  court case. Its damning for the loyalist band and the British state police.

Disgusting scenes all right. Watching the Police stand by as thugs spit on Paudie and taunt him about his house been burnt is
sickening. So much for shared equality eh? This annual tour of nationalist towns by sectarian bigots has to stop.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2016, 06:48:01 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/newton-emerson-bonfires-are-now-more-about-underclass-defiance-than-loyalism-1.2720622

"Irish flags, nationalist election posters and even Catholic religious items are placed on the pyres. But so are symbols of gay rights, racial equality and, this year, the European Union. Whatever polite society is for, the bonfire builders are obnoxiously against.

Last week Sinn Féin reported a “hate crime” after posters of two of its politicians appeared on a “family fun day” bonfire in Portadown. The arbitrary concept of “hate crime” epitomises the social conventions and control that many bonfires are deriding – and if “hatred” is prosecuted while all the other laws that bonfires break go ignored, the derision will be doubly successful.

Looking at the pictures posted online by Sinn Féin what is striking is how little fun the families seem to be having. Few in number and glum in appearance, they are skulking at a world they must know holds them in contempt.


I am from Portadown and can remember when bonfires attracted a more varied crowd. They were never a night at the opera (I have a friend who lost his virginity at one, aged 12), but a respectable sample of the Protestant population, in both senses of the word, would have visited a bonfire briefly or at least driven around the main sites for a look. Their gradual withdrawal reflects a critical difference between unionism and nationalism.

Sinn Féin stamped out the nationalist bonfire tradition, marking the August anniversary of internment through a plan of community action. Unionists do not work like this. We sense that something is wrong and drift away quietly one by one. What is left behind becomes socially unacceptable – and those we have left behind become somebody else’s problem."

Unionism is in a death spiral
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: red hander on July 15, 2016, 06:46:47 PM
We can but hope
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: seafoid on July 15, 2016, 08:54:47 PM
That Albert Armstrong sword murder story is gruesome
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: SHEEDY on July 22, 2016, 10:11:42 PM
i wonder how many of the bandsmen videod by the psni will be interviewed or arrested on public order offences?

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/753320367687503873

Im very familiar with this incident. A longer video of this tape exists but won't be put on social media. It is being held back for evidence for the up coming  court case. Its damning for the loyalist band and the British state police.

Disgusting scenes all right. Watching the Police stand by as thugs spit on Paudie and taunt him about his house been burnt is
sickening. So much for shared equality eh? This annual tour of nationalist towns by sectarian bigots has to stop.

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/756542610659868672

Have to say I'm 'gutted' at this news.   :P
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Moortown Spuds on July 22, 2016, 11:00:41 PM
i wonder how many of the bandsmen videod by the psni will be interviewed or arrested on public order offences?

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/753320367687503873

Im very familiar with this incident. A longer video of this tape exists but won't be put on social media. It is being held back for evidence for the up coming  court case. Its damning for the loyalist band and the British state police.



Disgusting scenes all right. Watching the Police stand by as thugs spit on Paudie and taunt him about his house been burnt is
sickening. So much for shared equality eh? This annual tour of nationalist towns by sectarian bigots has to stop.

https://twitter.com/irish_news/status/756542610659868672

Have to say I'm 'gutted' at this news.   :P

Do you glorify in that sort of act? What is your reaction when they arson attack a GAA clubhouse?

The people that burned that bus are scum. Any person that gets their kicks seeing somebody else's pride and joy burnt is a complete dose of sh1te.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: charlieTully on July 22, 2016, 11:53:29 PM
For you to stick up for that sc**bag uda bands pride and joy makes you a complete dose of shit.  f**k the scum b**tards.  Have you seriously any idea what these tramps have been up to over the years?  d**khead.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Moortown Spuds on July 23, 2016, 12:44:58 AM
For you to stick up for that sc**bag uda bands pride and joy makes you a complete dose of shit.  f**k the scum b**tards.  Have you seriously any idea what these tramps have been up to over the years?  d**khead.

Yeah- good man. Burn more out which will result in more gaa grounds being targeted.

Hardly sticking up for them. Condemning an arson attack is not sticking up for.

The tone of your comment tells us a lot about the class of person you are.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: omagh_gael on July 23, 2016, 09:39:34 AM
So some tube takes the law into their own hands, burns this bus and think it's deadly and loyalist band lose the day. Wrong.

This act will result in the reinforcement of loyalist 'culture' being under attack within this myopic, backward community. Any damage will be repaid to the value of the damage goods plus more so this reprehensible 'band' will end up getting a brand new bus.
The worst potential outcome, however, is that a local GAA club will suffer a similar fate and a whole community will suffer through the rash, idiotic actions of one or a few individuals.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 23, 2016, 10:00:05 AM
Probably burned it themselves.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 23, 2016, 11:04:38 AM
Two wrongs don't make a right. Still no excuse to be scumbags.

As og said it will be used to further the everyone hates us spin and our kulture is being oppressed. Despite a small percentage of parades being turned down and more parades than ever occuring annually.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: SHEEDY on July 23, 2016, 12:43:34 PM
Probably burned it themselves.
your probably not far wrong, the fact they had all their band equipment stored on the bus would lead to suspicions. new bus and new equipment for the scum.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 23, 2016, 01:01:36 PM
Just a coincidence that in the past week or two a grant has been reinstated for marching bands to buy equipment.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 23, 2016, 01:56:16 PM
Probably burned it themselves.
your probably not far wrong, the fact they had all their band equipment stored on the bus would lead to suspicions. new bus and new equipment for the scum.

I've no love for any bands, triumphal crap and rubbing peoples noses in it, do you also view the RA bands as scum??
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 23, 2016, 02:05:37 PM
Good riddance. My heart bleeds for the Dervock UDA. Not condoning it because for a start I am sceptical it was an actual "sectarian" attack to begin with. I just hope they don't use it as an excuse to target a GAA club
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 23, 2016, 02:09:50 PM
Probably burned it themselves.
your probably not far wrong, the fact they had all their band equipment stored on the bus would lead to suspicions. new bus and new equipment for the scum.

I've no love for any bands, triumphal crap and rubbing peoples noses in it, do you also view the RA bands as scum??
Not all bands are the same, the crowd in question for example are a particularly unpleasant bunch of sectarian degenerates. I don't really like any flute bands, republican or otherwise, but so long as they behave in a dignified manner respectful to their surroundings then let them fire away.

 I have yet to see any IRA bands march in a 80% unionist town or village goading the locals and wearing shirts with the slogan "republican feet on your streets" and if/when I do I'll consider them every bit as loathe some as that crowd from Dervock
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 23, 2016, 02:17:49 PM
Probably burned it themselves.
your probably not far wrong, the fact they had all their band equipment stored on the bus would lead to suspicions. new bus and new equipment for the scum.

I've no love for any bands, triumphal crap and rubbing peoples noses in it, do you also view the RA bands as scum??
Not all bands are the same, the crowd in question for example are a particularly unpleasant bunch of sectarian degenerates. I don't really like any flute bands, republican or otherwise, but so long as they behave in a dignified manner respectful to their surroundings then let them fire away.

 I have yet to see any IRA bands march in a 80% unionist town or village goading the locals and wearing shirts with the slogan "republican feet on your streets" and if/when I do I'll consider them every bit as loathe some as that crowd from Dervock

Sectarian bands are sectarian bands in my view, yes I totally know what you're saying, walking through nationalist areas.... That's down to the parades commission letting the feckers doing it... Republican bands mimicking loyalist bands is just silly...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: JimStynes on July 23, 2016, 03:57:47 PM
Your man got totally sucked into that. I wouldn't have went near the place if I knew they're were going to wind me up that much. Hateful looking shower of scumbags!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 23, 2016, 10:47:28 PM
was this the outfit with the union jack painted faces? if so i use the line, i didnt see this one coming but a gaa club will likely get the rebound of this
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnneycool on July 24, 2016, 11:23:36 PM
Your man got totally sucked into that. I wouldn't have went near the place if I knew they're were going to wind me up that much. Hateful looking shower of scumbags!

That place was Ballycastle, where Paudie lives, granted I wouldn't have been standing out on the street, but maybe the people of Ballycastle will now refuse to let these sectarian scumbags march through their town after that.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Hereiam on July 02, 2019, 10:18:00 AM
Would love to know how much it cost us tax payers last night for the policing of all the marches that went on last night. I know in my own town there were 6 car loads of police out to close roads and facilitate the march.
Money that would be better spent else where, is there really any call for it or what were they marching about.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: RedHand88 on July 02, 2019, 10:28:21 AM
Would love to know how much it cost us tax payers last night for the policing of all the marches that went on last night. I know in my own town there were 6 car loads of police out to close roads and facilitate the march.
Money that would be better spent else where, is there really any call for it or what were they marching about.

The Somme. East belfast and the Ravenhill road was at a  standstill for several hours last night.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: nrico2006 on July 08, 2019, 10:46:02 AM
Couldn't believe the craic with the leisure centre having to close at the weekend due to a bonfire being built outside the front door, coupled with threats made to staff.  Why have the police not come and ripped that down and made a arrests.  Similarly, in Portadown there is a bonfire built yards from houses.  The council have sent letters to those in the houses to say that they have temporary shelter set up for them to come and stay in over the 12th period.  I heard Doug Beattie saying how they usually manage it themselves well enough by boarding up their windows, that makes it alright sure.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: RedHand88 on July 08, 2019, 10:51:45 AM
Couldn't believe the craic with the leisure centre having to close at the weekend due to a bonfire being built outside the front door, coupled with threats made to staff.  Why have the police not come and ripped that down and made a arrests.  Similarly, in Portadown there is a bonfire built yards from houses.  The council have sent letters to those in the houses to say that they have temporary shelter set up for them to come and stay in over the 12th period.  I heard Doug Beattie saying how they usually manage it themselves well enough by boarding up their windows, that makes it alright sure.

Used to play 5 a side at this leisure centre. At this time of year, we would have had to pause during a game so the bonfire engineers could wheel pallets across the pitch.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 11:35:51 AM
Couldn't believe the craic with the leisure centre having to close at the weekend due to a bonfire being built outside the front door, coupled with threats made to staff.  Why have the police not come and ripped that down and made a arrests.  Similarly, in Portadown there is a bonfire built yards from houses.  The council have sent letters to those in the houses to say that they have temporary shelter set up for them to come and stay in over the 12th period.  I heard Doug Beattie saying how they usually manage it themselves well enough by boarding up their windows, that makes it alright sure.

HE picking up the tab, that means you and me who pay our taxes.

Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 08, 2019, 12:03:37 PM
You couldn’t make it up with these stupid c***ts. BCC should just  bulldoze the leisure centre, leave whatever is left as waste ground for them to build their precious cultural bonfires. Maybe leave a few lampposts in tact for them to hang their cultural paramilitary flags from.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 08, 2019, 12:13:53 PM
Funny thing is I was driving round North Belfast the other day....normally a big bonnie at Mount Vermin but nothing there....there's houses where they used to have one at teh bottom of Gray's Lane so they can't have on there.  The lack of bunting and flags round the area is very telling.  There just doesn't seem to be the fight in the dog anymore....maybe other places are different but I have definitely seen a distinct lack of flegs!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 08, 2019, 12:58:27 PM
Funny thing is I was driving round North Belfast the other day....normally a big bonnie at Mount Vermin but nothing there....there's houses where they used to have one at teh bottom of Gray's Lane so they can't have on there.  The lack of bunting and flags round the area is very telling.  There just doesn't seem to be the fight in the dog anymore....maybe other places are different but I have definitely seen a distinct lack of flegs!
You should check out the rathcoole bonfire Facebook  page  :D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnnycool on July 08, 2019, 01:48:35 PM

Wonder how Dr Kyle will fare in the next elections;

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/1000-tyres-on-pyre-how-does-removing-them-dilute-britishness-asks-pup-over-john-kyle-ira-graffiti-38291681.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/1000-tyres-on-pyre-how-does-removing-them-dilute-britishness-asks-pup-over-john-kyle-ira-graffiti-38291681.html)


Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: marty34 on July 08, 2019, 05:14:06 PM
I've noticed in a lot of areas now that they don't put up flags on their houses but they plaster the towns (even 60/40% nationalist towns.

Must make them feel really secure!!
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: TheOptimist on July 08, 2019, 05:17:18 PM

Wonder how Dr Kyle will fare in the next elections;

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/1000-tyres-on-pyre-how-does-removing-them-dilute-britishness-asks-pup-over-john-kyle-ira-graffiti-38291681.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/1000-tyres-on-pyre-how-does-removing-them-dilute-britishness-asks-pup-over-john-kyle-ira-graffiti-38291681.html)



In honesty will probably help his chances. There is a silent element within Unionism that will appreciate this tone.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: markl121 on July 08, 2019, 05:50:43 PM
Where I’m from used to be a significant unionist majority town about 30-40 years ago but wouldn’t have had a flag up as the young nationalist lads in the town used to take them down. Now it’s a nationalist majority about 60-65% nationalist and there’s flags everywhere. It’s a sign they feel threatened.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 08, 2019, 07:40:09 PM
I've noticed in a lot of areas now that they don't put up flags on their houses but they plaster the towns (even 60/40% nationalist towns.

Must make them feel really secure!!

They’re all over the motorway junctions and big roundabouts as well. It’s a case of “know your place, taig!”
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 07:49:17 PM
Bryson at his usual shit stirring this time of year too. Belfast city council shit stirring by taking tyres from bonfires apparently and causing tension. Nothing to do with them being banned Jamie no lol. He really is not a valuable asset to society.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: nrico2006 on July 08, 2019, 07:55:21 PM
I've noticed in a lot of areas now that they don't put up flags on their houses but they plaster the towns (even 60/40% nationalist towns.

Must make them feel really secure!!

They’re all over the motorway junctions and big roundabouts as well. It’s a case of “know your place, taig!”

Not sure of the percentage split in Lurgan but the whole town is covered in red, white and blue as usual. I see that Belfast City Council have decided to take the bonfire at the leisure centre down. How the hell have the police not acted sooner?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 08, 2019, 08:16:41 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 08, 2019, 08:18:14 PM
I've noticed in a lot of areas now that they don't put up flags on their houses but they plaster the towns (even 60/40% nationalist towns.

Must make them feel really secure!!

They’re all over the motorway junctions and big roundabouts as well. It’s a case of “know your place, taig!”

Not sure of the percentage split in Lurgan but the whole town is covered in red, white and blue as usual. I see that Belfast City Council have decided to take the bonfire at the leisure centre down. How the hell have the police not acted sooner?

Because they are a British police force, leading the British agenda in a British manufactured statelet.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Dougal Maguire on July 08, 2019, 09:17:04 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)
Who leaked the video I wonder
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: playwiththewind1st on July 08, 2019, 09:22:56 PM
Cavan.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 09:24:51 PM
It was that monster Micky graham ;D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: marty34 on July 08, 2019, 09:44:10 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)

Why is Harte apologising anyway?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: bogball88 on July 08, 2019, 09:58:31 PM
Where I’m from used to be a significant unionist majority town about 30-40 years ago but wouldn’t have had a flag up as the young nationalist lads in the town used to take them down. Now it’s a nationalist majority about 60-65% nationalist and there’s flags everywhere. It’s a sign they feel threatened.
Where's that?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Owen Brannigan on July 08, 2019, 10:11:59 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)
Who leaked the video I wonder

Who 'leaked' the one of Barry McElduff?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: markl121 on July 08, 2019, 11:19:29 PM
Where I’m from used to be a significant unionist majority town about 30-40 years ago but wouldn’t have had a flag up as the young nationalist lads in the town used to take them down. Now it’s a nationalist majority about 60-65% nationalist and there’s flags everywhere. It’s a sign they feel threatened.
Where's that?
Castledawson
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: 6th sam on July 08, 2019, 11:25:25 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)

Why is Harte apologising anyway?

I’m not being smart here, but genuinely can anyone help me with this? On the one hand we have a band parade for the umpteenth time perceived as celebrating the defeat of Catholicism/Irishness  330 years ago , for all to see in a mixed town, blocking streets and no doubt playing tunes such as the sash . On the other hand a group of adults in a private bus behind closed doors are singing a song about fighting against the Black and Tans , a notorious gather-up of reprobates designed to do the dirty work of an oppressive British empire, trying to impose their will on a population which made their preference clear in a democratic general election of 1918. And Mickey Harte apologises?? I have absolutely no problem with apologising if offence is caused to my unionist neighbours and friends, but equally are unionists going to apologise for the years of weekly parades , often in mixed areas, celebrating victory over catholic neighbours , again and again and again. Whereas I totally respect people are brought up
In this “culture” and hold it dear,  and love the music and the trappings, they must reflect that the perceived anti-catholic ethos is offensive to many. I have known Orangemen over the years and quite often it’s a case , like ourselves, of being born into a tradition , but Orange marching every Week in many towns for several months is dysfunctional, and it’s time politicians call it out for what it is. Celebrate Britishness, hold the “union” dear, by all means but stop insulting your friends and neighbours whilst calling it culture. If nationalists/republicans were doing the same , I’d be the first to call it out. It’s pathological, poisonous and dysfunctional, and I know several unionists who feel the same way about it. Time to call out ,antagonism and coat trailing on both sides , and also state clearly that the majority of this nonsense comes from one side . Don’t go down the lazY SDLP /alliance route and pretend it’s 6 of one/half a dozen of tother . This marching culture is highly disruptive, costly and offensive nonsense . Time we all grew up.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: imtommygunn on July 08, 2019, 11:37:02 PM
You’re not far wrong. Every bloody year the same crap. People evicted from houses to facilitate bonfires. Where would you hear the likes of this.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tyrdub on July 09, 2019, 09:09:18 AM
In a past life, while working in Belfast City Council, I had the job of helping sort out bonfire beacons on the 11th night in some not-so-GAA-friendly places. If only they knew who was doing this work for them. Didn't agree with these "community groups" getting funding for these things and events, especially when it was just a front for what really goes on
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: general_lee on July 09, 2019, 10:47:22 AM
I've noticed in a lot of areas now that they don't put up flags on their houses but they plaster the towns (even 60/40% nationalist towns.

Must make them feel really secure!!

They’re all over the motorway junctions and big roundabouts as well. It’s a case of “know your place, taig!”

Not sure of the percentage split in Lurgan but the whole town is covered in red, white and blue as usual. I see that Belfast City Council have decided to take the bonfire at the leisure centre down. How the hell have the police not acted sooner?
Roughly 2/3 catholic. Notice how the further you get the from the town centre (into the prod end) the less flags you see.

As for the Tyrone team, the song they sang is harmless. The band marching was harmless (girls accordion band!?) I despise Loyalism but you can’t just be in a perennial state of offence all the time. Not a good look for the team and hopefully whoever leaked it gets plenty of punishment runs  :D
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Denn Forever on July 09, 2019, 10:59:51 AM
Micky Harte apologies for the Tyrone Team's singing at a march in Aughnacloy "come out you black and tans".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48911306
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Applesisapples on July 09, 2019, 11:22:57 AM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)

Why is Harte apologising anyway?

I’m not being smart here, but genuinely can anyone help me with this? On the one hand we have a band parade for the umpteenth time perceived as celebrating the defeat of Catholicism/Irishness  330 years ago , for all to see in a mixed town, blocking streets and no doubt playing tunes such as the sash . On the other hand a group of adults in a private bus behind closed doors are singing a song about fighting against the Black and Tans , a notorious gather-up of reprobates designed to do the dirty work of an oppressive British empire, trying to impose their will on a population which made their preference clear in a democratic general election of 1918. And Mickey Harte apologises?? I have absolutely no problem with apologising if offence is caused to my unionist neighbours and friends, but equally are unionists going to apologise for the years of weekly parades , often in mixed areas, celebrating victory over catholic neighbours , again and again and again. Whereas I totally respect people are brought up
In this “culture” and hold it dear,  and love the music and the trappings, they must reflect that the perceived anti-catholic ethos is offensive to many. I have known Orangemen over the years and quite often it’s a case , like ourselves, of being born into a tradition , but Orange marching every Week in many towns for several months is dysfunctional, and it’s time politicians call it out for what it is. Celebrate Britishness, hold the “union” dear, by all means but stop insulting your friends and neighbours whilst calling it culture. If nationalists/republicans were doing the same , I’d be the first to call it out. It’s pathological, poisonous and dysfunctional, and I know several unionists who feel the same way about it. Time to call out ,antagonism and coat trailing on both sides , and also state clearly that the majority of this nonsense comes from one side . Don’t go down the lazY SDLP /alliance route and pretend it’s 6 of one/half a dozen of tother . This marching culture is highly disruptive, costly and offensive nonsense . Time we all grew up.
I agree with you 100% on singing, I understand why Harte is doing it. But what tool posted the video? In relation to marches, I absolutely do not see the appeal be they orange or green. The green ones embarrass me as a nationalist as I view them as monkey see monkey do events. But to many of those in the orange and the marching bands this is the only vestiges of culture they can embrace. Though many others from the unionist tradition are happy to embrace Irish music and culture. If we are serious about sharing tis Island with all then we must accommodate all in their cultural expression. Provide of course it is not endangering lives or giving overt offence. Town centres as such are shared space. Nationalist towns in general tend to be more accommodating than unionist ones and I believe that is to their credit.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyCake on July 09, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
Ok, squad has a bit of a laugh singing. But, 1) why would anyone video it? And 2) why would you f**king send it to anyone?

Jaysus you can’t shite these days without someone telling the world about it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 09, 2019, 11:50:04 AM
I'll just leave this up here to highlight the idiocy of the whole thing and why Harte was wrong to apologise.

https://www.joe.ie/news/watch-alan-partridges-irish-farmer-singing-rebel-songs-paddys-day-fantastic-662354
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: BennyHarp on July 09, 2019, 12:13:17 PM
I agree Harte shouldn't have apologised but from his point of view he was probably thinking that at a very tense time of year in the calendar that this could have been blow way up out of proportion and been a huge media distraction to his team over the most important phase of the championship. Rightly or wrongly, he's made the decision to apologise, taken the wind out of the sails of the story, stated that the team and management wont comment on it again and hopefully everyone can move on.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: blewuporstuffed on July 09, 2019, 12:14:47 PM
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/tyrone-gaa-manager-mickey-harte-apologises-after-players-sing-rebel-song-during-band-parade-38292651.html)

Why is Harte apologising anyway?

I’m not being smart here, but genuinely can anyone help me with this? On the one hand we have a band parade for the umpteenth time perceived as celebrating the defeat of Catholicism/Irishness  330 years ago , for all to see in a mixed town, blocking streets and no doubt playing tunes such as the sash . On the other hand a group of adults in a private bus behind closed doors are singing a song about fighting against the Black and Tans , a notorious gather-up of reprobates designed to do the dirty work of an oppressive British empire, trying to impose their will on a population which made their preference clear in a democratic general election of 1918. And Mickey Harte apologises?? I have absolutely no problem with apologising if offence is caused to my unionist neighbours and friends, but equally are unionists going to apologise for the years of weekly parades , often in mixed areas, celebrating victory over catholic neighbours , again and again and again. Whereas I totally respect people are brought up
In this “culture” and hold it dear,  and love the music and the trappings, they must reflect that the perceived anti-catholic ethos is offensive to many. I have known Orangemen over the years and quite often it’s a case , like ourselves, of being born into a tradition , but Orange marching every Week in many towns for several months is dysfunctional, and it’s time politicians call it out for what it is. Celebrate Britishness, hold the “union” dear, by all means but stop insulting your friends and neighbours whilst calling it culture. If nationalists/republicans were doing the same , I’d be the first to call it out. It’s pathological, poisonous and dysfunctional, and I know several unionists who feel the same way about it. Time to call out ,antagonism and coat trailing on both sides , and also state clearly that the majority of this nonsense comes from one side . Don’t go down the lazY SDLP /alliance route and pretend it’s 6 of one/half a dozen of tother . This marching culture is highly disruptive, costly and offensive nonsense . Time we all grew up.

100%
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Evil Genius on July 09, 2019, 01:11:42 PM
Well, well. Googling something else drew me to this site and well, it's a while since I even browsed, never mind posted, so I thought I'd give it a go.

Anyhow, whatever the rights and wrongs of the song and the parade etc, I find it curious that no-one seems to have picked up on this snippet from the report:

"It appears that someone on the bus shouts a sectarian phrase relating to Protestants."

Or maybe it's not so "curious"?

Anyone?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: johnnycool on July 09, 2019, 01:12:47 PM
Gotta love these people who call into Radio Ulster/Six Counties and there was one on from Portadown I presume who was giving off about the Fire brigade and them not just hosing down these block of flats that the bonfire is right beside.
William McAuley I think asked him if he was serious and his answer was "sure, what else would they be doing?"

Oh,
   And the boney builders in Avoniel should be lauded for taking the tyres away themselves...
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 09, 2019, 01:20:07 PM
Well, well. Googling something else drew me to this site and well, it's a while since I even browsed, never mind posted, so I thought I'd give it a go.

Anyhow, whatever the rights and wrongs of the song and the parade etc, I find it curious that no-one seems to have picked up on this snippet from the report:

"It appears that someone on the bus shouts a sectarian phrase relating to Protestants."

Or maybe it's not so "curious"?

Anyone?
If someone went to the bother of reporting this surely they could be more specific on the content of said phrase, or maybe they used "appears that" to suggest they can't be 100% sure.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Evil Genius on July 09, 2019, 01:29:43 PM
Well, well. Googling something else drew me to this site and well, it's a while since I even browsed, never mind posted, so I thought I'd give it a go.

Anyhow, whatever the rights and wrongs of the song and the parade etc, I find it curious that no-one seems to have picked up on this snippet from the report:

"It appears that someone on the bus shouts a sectarian phrase relating to Protestants."

Or maybe it's not so "curious"?

Anyone?
If someone went to the bother of reporting this surely they could be more specific on the content of said phrase, or maybe they used "appears that" to suggest they can't be 100% sure.
Are you saying it didn't happen, then?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 09, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
Well, well. Googling something else drew me to this site and well, it's a while since I even browsed, never mind posted, so I thought I'd give it a go.

Anyhow, whatever the rights and wrongs of the song and the parade etc, I find it curious that no-one seems to have picked up on this snippet from the report:

"It appears that someone on the bus shouts a sectarian phrase relating to Protestants."

Or maybe it's not so "curious"?

Anyone?
If someone went to the bother of reporting this surely they could be more specific on the content of said phrase, or maybe they used "appears that" to suggest they can't be 100% sure.
Are you saying it didn't happen, then?
Nope. I haven't even seen the video, but if it definitely did happen then feel free to state specifically what was said. You are not known for shyness.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: brokencrossbar1 on July 09, 2019, 01:57:56 PM
Welcome back EG.....back from from your summer holidays after school ended?  I haven't seen the full extent of the video.  What sectarian phrase appeared to be used?
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Evil Genius on July 09, 2019, 02:08:19 PM
Well, well. Googling something else drew me to this site and well, it's a while since I even browsed, never mind posted, so I thought I'd give it a go.

Anyhow, whatever the rights and wrongs of the song and the parade etc, I find it curious that no-one seems to have picked up on this snippet from the report:

"It appears that someone on the bus shouts a sectarian phrase relating to Protestants."

Or maybe it's not so "curious"?

Anyone?
If someone went to the bother of reporting this surely they could be more specific on the content of said phrase, or maybe they used "appears that" to suggest they can't be 100% sure.
Are you saying it didn't happen, then?
Nope. I haven't even seen the video, but if it definitely did happen then feel free to state specifically what was said. You are not known for shyness.
Now, now, you know the video has been pulled.

But think of it this way. Why would the reporter just make something up entirely? I mean, he would be leaving himself open to the video re-appearing and proving him to be a liar.

Whereas if something untoward was shouted, then that would be a very good reason for pulling the video, the fact of the song being sung not being denied.

All that said, maybe no-one would have made such a comment, for fear of offending any Protestants on the bus.

Yeah, you're right, that'll be it.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: TyroneOnlooker on July 09, 2019, 02:29:33 PM
Saw the video. Let's call a spade a spade. It's stupid, indefensible and shouldn't have happened. Does absolutely nothing for the GAA's reputation with the other side. No point in saying 'sure themmuns are worse'. We should be above that.

That said, the idiot who videod it and thought it would be a good idea to share on snapchat should feel rightly ashamed of himself. Think it's a reflection of culture with younger ones now that nothing can happen without being posted online. So what should be a non-event in a private bus (albeit wrong) now turns into a newspaper headline.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: armaghniac on July 09, 2019, 02:34:24 PM
Events on a bus are one thing, they are among those concerned. But the person who shared it has zero loyalty to the team and should never be on that bus again.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2019, 02:36:30 PM
Well, well. Googling something else drew me to this site and well, it's a while since I even browsed, never mind posted, so I thought I'd give it a go.

Anyhow, whatever the rights and wrongs of the song and the parade etc, I find it curious that no-one seems to have picked up on this snippet from the report:

"It appears that someone on the bus shouts a sectarian phrase relating to Protestants."

Or maybe it's not so "curious"?

Anyone?
If someone went to the bother of reporting this surely they could be more specific on the content of said phrase, or maybe they used "appears that" to suggest they can't be 100% sure.
Are you saying it didn't happen, then?
Nope. I haven't even seen the video, but if it definitely did happen then feel free to state specifically what was said. You are not known for shyness.
Now, now, you know the video has been pulled.

But think of it this way. Why would the reporter just make something up entirely? I mean, he would be leaving himself open to the video re-appearing and proving him to be a liar.

Whereas if something untoward was shouted, then that would be a very good reason for pulling the video, the fact of the song being sung not being denied.

All that said, maybe no-one would have made such a comment, for fear of offending any Protestants on the bus.

Yeah, you're right, that'll be it.

Why would said reporter not just quote the line if he heard it? I've still got a copy and I don't hear it. Unless there's more than one version going around. If there was an anti-protestant  comment made it should absolutely be condemned. But as it stands I see no evidence that there was.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: Jim_Murphy_74 on July 09, 2019, 02:44:12 PM
Well, well. Googling something else drew me to this site and well, it's a while since I even browsed, never mind posted, so I thought I'd give it a go.

Well, well indeed.  Just happened to accidentally find you way here on the day that this incident hit the headlines.

As Barry McElduff would say:  coincidences do happen.

/Jim.
Title: Re: It Must be Marching Season
Post by: sensethetone on July 09, 2019, 02:44:34 PM