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Title: The SDLP
Post by: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 09:32:25 PM
For years I really respected them especially when Hume was at the helm.  Since Durkan gave up the leadership I think they have went into terminal decline and as there isn't much of an SDLP youth wing I would say they are a spent political force at this stage.  That doesn't mean they will lose Westminster seats though, I think there are a hardcore of people who will never vote for shinners who would vote SDLP now.  Unless some kind of middle ground politics starts to become the order of the day the SDLP will disappear while the extremists on the nationalist side will benefit ultimately
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on April 23, 2010, 09:34:02 PM
They were in decline before Durkan stepped aside. Admittedly, since Richie took over, they've nose dived.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on April 23, 2010, 09:37:22 PM
Never had much respect for them, never seen them doing much locally. In fact you wouldn't see them locally unless there was an election.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Minder on April 23, 2010, 09:40:33 PM
Never had much respect for them, never seen them doing much locally. In fact you wouldn't see them locally unless there was an election.

I can say the same for Sinn Fein in West Belfast, maybe they just take it for granted.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on April 23, 2010, 09:45:14 PM
Never had much respect for them, never seen them doing much locally. In fact you wouldn't see them locally unless there was an election.

I can say the same for Sinn Fein in West Belfast, maybe they just take it for granted.
Local Shinners would do a lot in our area, just a pity the can't/won't get rid of the ceasefire soldiers and sheep.
Sinn Fein will go the same way as the SDLP in a few years when McGuinness and Adams step aside.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 09:50:11 PM
I had reason to contact SF and the SDLP over an issue my wife was having.  Neither of them really did anything about it even though it was clearly within their power to do so, shinners sent an email while the SDLP did a bit of donkey work in terms of phone calls, emails, letters, I won't go into details on here about it for obvious reasons but nothing seemed to work.  By chance I happened to bump into Ken Magennis on a bus from Belfast to Enniskillen and I thought I would chance my arm with him.  I was wearing an Armagh shirt at the time and had a bit of craic with him about Tyrone and that he was a bit of a hypocrite watching matches on TV when he wouldn't go to one if it was on a Sunday.  He proved to be way more helpful than either of the SDLP or the shinners.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on April 23, 2010, 09:54:38 PM
Jeyes - yer wan Ritchie really is hard to like! She seems to lack any human or personal touch that would appeal to the masses. Also, would be the last one to laugh at a joke methinks as humour would not be her strong point. Just goes to show: once a schoolteacher, always a schoolteacher - I'm sure many in the SDLP ranks have had had a degrading lecture from that ice maiden. God help her other half - if there is one?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: hardstation on April 23, 2010, 10:50:36 PM
I like red ties.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ardmhachaabu on April 23, 2010, 11:01:22 PM
I like red ties.
:D

Maith duit
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 23, 2010, 11:32:33 PM
To be honest, I don't think Ritchie is the worst politician - she seems to do a decent job as DSD Minister and I get the impression she's very genuine. But she's a terrible public speaker, very unnatural, and a poor choice as party leader.

The SDLP will always have a core vote and I think it's important the Nationalists have an alternative to SF.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Main Street on April 24, 2010, 12:09:07 AM
Wearing the Armagh shirt was the key, brought out the sympathy for a constituent who can only suffer so much.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Orior on April 24, 2010, 12:15:30 AM
Seamus Mallon was the best ever SDLP politician. Dont know if he ever wore a red tie.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on April 24, 2010, 12:16:37 AM
Seamus Mallon was the best ever SDLP politician. Dont know if he ever wore a red tie.

:o

John Hume was the best.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: bennydorano on April 24, 2010, 01:29:48 AM
Never had much respect for them, never seen them doing much locally. In fact you wouldn't see them locally unless there was an election.

I can say the same for Sinn Fein in West Belfast, maybe they just take it for granted.
Local Shinners would do a lot in our area, just a pity the can't/won't get rid of the ceasefire soldiers and sheep.
Sinn Fein will go the same way as the SDLP in a few years when McGuinness and Adams step aside.
Dont know about that, Conor Murphy looks a nailed on successor to these boys and  he seems shrewd enough, plus if the SDLP remain as woeful, SF will still be dominant by default.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: sandwiches_in_the_boot on April 24, 2010, 02:08:53 AM
The Shinners rely on Westminster money to keep a lot of their backroom staff jobs going in West Tyrone.

Some would call this irony. I am one of them.

I enjoyed Gerry slagging Ritchie for the SDLP taking a paid trip to Afghanistan from the UK govt,yet Sinn Fein are taking thousands upon thousands from the same govt for cushy flats in London.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Ulick on April 24, 2010, 02:19:42 AM
The Shinners rely on Westminster money to keep a lot of their backroom staff jobs going in West Tyrone.

Indeed and Stoops like Durkan rely on Westminster to keep him and his family in style.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Myles Na G. on April 24, 2010, 07:30:47 AM
Jeyes - yer wan Ritchie really is hard to like! She seems to lack any human or personal touch that would appeal to the masses. Also, would be the last one to laugh at a joke methinks as humour would not be her strong point. Just goes to show: once a schoolteacher, always a schoolteacher - I'm sure many in the SDLP ranks have had had a degrading lecture from that ice maiden. God help her other half - if there is one?
There isn't.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gorm agus bui on April 24, 2010, 08:00:53 AM
Ritchie does not have great public persona
But she has done good job in DSD.
Very good locally but def not a leader
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 24, 2010, 08:04:15 AM
Jeyes - yer wan Ritchie really is hard to like! She seems to lack any human or personal touch that would appeal to the masses. Also, would be the last one to laugh at a joke methinks as humour would not be her strong point. Just goes to show: once a schoolteacher, always a schoolteacher - I'm sure many in the SDLP ranks have had had a degrading lecture from that ice maiden. God help her other half - if there is one?
There isn't.

There isn't an other half or there isn't a God?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Myles Na G. on April 24, 2010, 08:10:45 AM
Jeyes - yer wan Ritchie really is hard to like! She seems to lack any human or personal touch that would appeal to the masses. Also, would be the last one to laugh at a joke methinks as humour would not be her strong point. Just goes to show: once a schoolteacher, always a schoolteacher - I'm sure many in the SDLP ranks have had had a degrading lecture from that ice maiden. God help her other half - if there is one?
There isn't.

There isn't an other half or there isn't a God?
All of the above.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2010, 09:53:28 AM
Richie seems a bit our of her depth as a leader, maybe that will change as she gains more experience but she alwas carries some credit for refusing to hand over £1m+  to the UDA for "Conflict Transformation" or whatever they call it.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Ulick on April 24, 2010, 10:12:32 AM
Richie seems a bit our of her depth as a leader, maybe that will change as she gains more experience but she alwas carries some credit for refusing to hand over £1m+  to the UDA for "Conflict Transformation" or whatever they call it.

Was she not over-ruled on that in court?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 24, 2010, 10:24:34 AM
Richie seems a bit our of her depth as a leader, maybe that will change as she gains more experience but she alwas carries some credit for refusing to hand over £1m+  to the UDA for "Conflict Transformation" or whatever they call it.

Was she not over-ruled on that in court?
I think Minders point is that she was prepared to take a stand on a point of principle. A rare commodity on the hill.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2010, 10:29:44 AM
Richie seems a bit our of her depth as a leader, maybe that will change as she gains more experience but she alwas carries some credit for refusing to hand over £1m+  to the UDA for "Conflict Transformation" or whatever they call it.

Was she not over-ruled on that in court?

She was.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: The Worker on April 24, 2010, 11:28:46 AM
stoops round my door canvasing there
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 24, 2010, 11:31:41 AM
stoops round my door canvasing there

Stoops on your stoop?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on April 24, 2010, 12:08:09 PM
Ritchie does not have great public persona
But she has done good job in DSD.
Very good locally but def not a leader

As a Minister, I'd rate her very highly. She's not a leader as you say. I heard she's a nightmare to work with.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 24, 2010, 12:24:00 PM
Ritchie does not have great public persona
But she has done good job in DSD.
Very good locally but def not a leader

As a Minister, I'd rate her very highly. She's not a leader as you say. I heard she's a nightmare to work with.

You're not a Minister ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on April 24, 2010, 12:25:16 PM
Ritchie does not have great public persona
But she has done good job in DSD.
Very good locally but def not a leader

As a Minister, I'd rate her very highly. She's not a leader as you say. I heard she's a nightmare to work with.
:D
You're not a Minister ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on April 24, 2010, 12:25:41 PM
Ritchie does not have great public persona
But she has done good job in DSD.
Very good locally but def not a leader

As a Minister, I'd rate her very highly. She's not a leader as you say. I heard she's a nightmare to work with.

Did someone say I was? Did I say I was?

You're not a Minister ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 24, 2010, 12:26:22 PM
Ritchie does not have great public persona
But she has done good job in DSD.
Very good locally but def not a leader

As a Minister, I'd rate her very highly. She's not a leader as you say. I heard she's a nightmare to work with.
:D
You're not a Minister ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: thewobbler on April 24, 2010, 06:49:58 PM
John Hume and Seamus Mallon may have brought the SDLP to the fore but it is both sad and ironic that those two men also destroyed the party. For two decades they dominated every position within the party, took every press conference, featured in every photograph and article. Looking back now it seems that they deliberately prevented any other party member from raising their public profile. Even riding on their coat tails seems to be have been banned.

As such, when they stepped down, they left behind a chasm, filled with faceless, bland politicans - people who meant well, but were used to following the party line from a distance.


Sinn Fein will face a similar problem within a decade. They've done much more than Hume & Mallon every did to promote other public profiles, but the more renowned of these will be up for retirement around the same time as the main men. Also, good luck to anyone who wants to keep that party united once Adams and McGuinness movie along.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: lawnseed on April 24, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
they might have stood a chance with Allister McDonnell as the leader but Marguerite is so annoying. Adams blew her out of the water on itv and hes not even the strongest debater the shinners have. the stoops are just too goody goody they try to be everything to everyone but get so diluted that they say nothing at all. they damaged themselves by trying to tie up with Fianna fall and Bertie when their sister party in the south was labour which shows they are power hungry and without principles. when Hume finished with Derry it was a thriving city mallon however had little to show for a lenghty career in Parliament, indeed his success is largely due to unionists giving the stoops their second preference votes to keep the shinners out
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on April 24, 2010, 09:42:29 PM
they might have stood a chance with Allister McDonnell as the leader but Marguerite is so annoying. Adams blew her out of the water on itv and hes not even the strongest debater the shinners have. the stoops are just too goody goody they try to be everything to everyone but get so diluted that they say nothing at all. they damaged themselves by trying to tie up with Fianna fall and Bertie when their sister party in the south was labour which shows they are power hungry and without principles. when Hume finished with Derry it was a thriving city mallon however had little to show for a lenghty career in Parliament, indeed his success is largely due to unionists giving the stoops their second preference votes to keep the shinners out

No transferable vote in Westminster, so that argument is blown out of the water. Seamus was another one of the school teacher class in the SDLP just like Ritchie. She really comes over as a dragon without a sense of humour or irony. While I find McDonnell arrogant, he does have a human touch and, of course, is a GAA man. I hope the SDLP do self-destruct - they really are just a shower of offspring from the historical pig-owning classes on this ISLAND. 
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 24, 2010, 09:46:11 PM
For years I really respected them especially when Hume was at the helm.  Since Durkan gave up the leadership I think they have went gone into terminal decline and as there isn't much of an SDLP youth wing I would say they are a spent political force at this stage..

FFS if you're going to trumpet about the Stoopers, at least get your native English language right!  ;)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Ulick on April 24, 2010, 10:09:25 PM
Richie seems a bit our of her depth as a leader, maybe that will change as she gains more experience but she alwas carries some credit for refusing to hand over £1m+  to the UDA for "Conflict Transformation" or whatever they call it.

Was she not over-ruled on that in court?
I think Minders point is that she was prepared to take a stand on a point of principle. A rare commodity on the hill.

Well it sounds like then either she was grandstanding if she knew she had no authority or incompetent because she didn't know.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Minder on April 24, 2010, 10:14:40 PM
Richie seems a bit our of her depth as a leader, maybe that will change as she gains more experience but she alwas carries some credit for refusing to hand over £1m+  to the UDA for "Conflict Transformation" or whatever they call it.

Was she not over-ruled on that in court?
I think Minders point is that she was prepared to take a stand on a point of principle. A rare
commodity on the hill.

Well it sounds like then either she was grandstanding if she knew she had no authority or incompetent because she didn't know.

Maybe she should have caved in and gave them the money and then she would have been criticised more. Damned if you do.........
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ardmhachaabu on April 24, 2010, 10:39:13 PM
For years I really respected them especially when Hume was at the helm.  Since Durkan gave up the leadership I think they have went gone into terminal decline and as there isn't much of an SDLP youth wing I would say they are a spent political force at this stage..

FFS if you're going to trumpet about the Stoopers, at least get your native English language right!  ;)
:D

I don't trumpet about anyone FoSB.  You know what though, I have more trouble with gramadách na Gaeilge and I worry more about that than I do about my English
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: magickingdom on April 24, 2010, 10:42:10 PM
John Hume and Seamus Mallon may have brought the SDLP to the fore but it is both sad and ironic that those two men also destroyed the party. For two decades they dominated every position within the party, took every press conference, featured in every photograph and article. Looking back now it seems that they deliberately prevented any other party member from raising their public profile. Even riding on their coat tails seems to be have been banned.

As such, when they stepped down, they left behind a chasm, filled with faceless, bland politicans - people who meant well, but were used to following the party line from a distance.


Sinn Fein will face a similar problem within a decade. They've done much more than Hume & Mallon every did to promote other public profiles, but the more renowned of these will be up for retirement around the same time as the main men. Also, good luck to anyone who wants to keep that party united once Adams and McGuinness movie along.

when adams and mcguinness move along sf chances might improve big time in the south
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Ulick on April 24, 2010, 11:45:17 PM
Think that is a bit of a fallacy magic as I don't think people vote for personality or if they do its a minor factor. SF need to build their core vote and expand their organisation in the south and that for me that means getting back to community activism.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: longrunsthefox on April 25, 2010, 12:32:29 AM
John Hume and Seamus Mallon may have brought the SDLP to the fore but it is both sad and ironic that those two men also destroyed the party. For two decades they dominated every position within the party, took every press conference, featured in every photograph and article. Looking back now it seems that they deliberately prevented any other party member from raising their public profile. Even riding on their coat tails seems to be have been banned.

As such, when they stepped down, they left behind a chasm, filled with faceless, bland politicans - people who meant well, but were used to following the party line from a distance.


Sinn Fein will face a similar problem within a decade. They've done much more than Hume & Mallon every did to promote other public profiles, but the more renowned of these will be up for retirement around the same time as the main men. Also, good luck to anyone who wants to keep that party united once Adams and McGuinness movie along.

I don't think that was their destruction. Hume knew when he went into talks with Adams it might cost the SDLP dearly if they went by the ballod box only rather than the armalite as well. He was prepared to do that for peace and took the risk agaisnt the wishes of many in his own party. There were a lot of people couldn't go with the armed struggle, or watever you wish to call it, that went over to vote for Sinn Fein after the ceasefire. Certainly the SDLP politicains are bland but there aren't too many with the personality or charm of Martin Luther Kings or JFK in Sinn Fein either. 
   
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on April 25, 2010, 01:07:16 AM
I could write an essay on how I feel the stoops are a joke of an entity. I'll list a number of examples which to me, typify the SDLP and their shade of 'nationalism'.

1. Post Nationalism
The phrase which sums up th SDLP westminster campaign of 2001. Describing themselves as post nationalist seems to have been the turning point in that key election and they have never properly recovered.

2. Pretence
Again, in 2001, Brid Rodgers canvassed for votes at a Tyrone game in Clones wearing a fake Tyrone shirt with her name printed across the back and holding a soccer ball.

3. Complete disrespect for nationalists who vote for the other main nationalist party
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlidcwmhsn/ - In this instance they showed a complete disregard for the mandate given to SF by their voters and showed their level of committment to nationalism by joining a dirty pact with the two unionist parties. This was evidenced at a local level in my own are also at several recent elections. Coming from a Republican area, the SDLP in my local polling station often had a tactic of objecting to as many people as possible inside the station in the evening time; thereby preventing the lines of people still in the queue outside from voting once closing time came.

4. Confusion
- As I pointed out on this board before, When SF proposed, in 13 councils, that these councils press the Dublin Govn to be more proactive in developing All Ireland strategies, only two got full SDLP support, the rest either got a split SDLP vote, SDLP members abstaining, SDLP refusing to attend etc. Even their party whips could not encourage their membership to give their full support to it. How can this party be trusted to stand up for Irish Unity when even the idea of increased All Ireland strategies/co-operation is too much for them to handle?

I honestly don't understand how any party can claim to represent nationalism when it
- Felt that equality had been achieved in the 1980's claiming this equality was "now a reality"
- Takes an oath of allegience to a British monarchy all to have the right to sit in Westminster, despite rarely attending anyway
- Stated that they have "have no difficulty with a continuing MI5 role" in the north of Ireland
- Voted in favour of 28 day detention
- In 2006, argued in favour of diplock courts stating it was "essential that adequate provision for non-jury trials for appropriate offences in Northern Ireland is maintained"
- Supported Irish citizens in the north being legally compelled to be included in a "British National Identity Register".
- Regarded Ronnie Flanagan as a man who "wanted to edge policing forward"
- Opposed Derry Council proceeding with its stated policy of petitioning the Privy Council to restore the name of Derry to the city
- Through their intransigience, are currently assisting the Orange Order in having their joint unionist candidate capture the Fermanagh/South Tyrone seat just to avoid a SF member taking the seat.
- Sends a member of it's Assembly team on a British Ministry of Defence trip to Afghanistan
- Voted in in the Assembly for increased pensions for the RUC Part-Time Reservists
- Voted in Belfast City Council for the placing of dozens of British Army plaques, including two UDR plaques around the walls inside City Hall.
- For years claimed allegations of collusion between the British state and Loyalist gangs was "republican propeganda"

Unfortunately, I could go on. It almost appears that this party regards Nationalism as a sectarian mindset and tries to avoid anything which makes them open about being Nationalist. Their public appearances make them sound more and more like the Alliance Party as time goes on.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: lurganblue on April 25, 2010, 09:13:55 AM
Not once has a stoop came to my door canvassing for a vote. Not even a chance for
anyone in our area to challenge their policies face to face.

We have a lot of local problems with anti-social behaviour, drugs, etc and they seem to avoid tackling these issues apart from condeming acts in the local paper.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: longrunsthefox on April 25, 2010, 10:19:53 AM
Agreed... they are absolutely toothless. Allister McDonnell slabbering on about the Hunger Strike ceremony held in Galbally was also nausiating.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 25, 2010, 11:58:25 AM
IF this thread is a reflection of the general opinion of the SDLP then they are in serious trouble.

The SDLP became nothing after Hume packed it in. Even Mallon was second rate who never achieved anything in his political career. Since it became clear that the Peace process would mean SF sctive in political institutions the SDLP became the atni SF party. Ever since peace became a real possibility after the Adams and Hume talks the SDLP went into defence mode trying to protect their electoral success against SF. This inculded and includes pacts with Unionists and British Governments in an attempt to isolate SF. They have some neck complaining about SF not taking seats in westminster when over the years the stood hand in hand with unionists and british Governments while SF were locked outside the gates.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: orangeman on April 25, 2010, 12:03:41 PM
IF this thread is a reflection of the general opinion of the SDLP then they are in serious trouble.

The SDLP became nothing after Hume packed it in. Even Mallon was second rate who never achieved anything in his political career. Since it became clear that the Peace process would mean SF sctive in political institutions the SDLP became the atni SF party. Ever since peace became a real possibility after the Adams and Hume talks the SDLP went into defence mode trying to protect their electoral success against SF. This inculded and includes pacts with Unionists and British Governments in an attempt to isolate SF. They have some neck complaining about SF not taking seats in westminster when over the years the stood hand in hand with unionists and british Governments while SF were locked outside the gates.


History repeating itself then with SF doing the same thing now. What's new ?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: longrunsthefox on April 25, 2010, 12:20:37 PM
Martin Morgan former SDLP councillor in Belfast was young and had a bit of vibrancy about him. I once asked him if he got much hassle from Republicans in North Belfast and he said he got more from members of his own party when he spoke out against the behaviour of the police and the state. They accused him of sounding like a Sinn Feiner. Says it all... now he is nowhere to be seen.   
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 25, 2010, 12:46:06 PM
IF this thread is a reflection of the general opinion of the SDLP then they are in serious trouble.

The SDLP became nothing after Hume packed it in. Even Mallon was second rate who never achieved anything in his political career. Since it became clear that the Peace process would mean SF sctive in political institutions the SDLP became the atni SF party. Ever since peace became a real possibility after the Adams and Hume talks the SDLP went into defence mode trying to protect their electoral success against SF. This inculded and includes pacts with Unionists and British Governments in an attempt to isolate SF. They have some neck complaining about SF not taking seats in westminster when over the years the stood hand in hand with unionists and british Governments while SF were locked outside the gates.


History repeating itself then with SF doing the same thing now. What's new ?

I don't get ye?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: orangeman on April 25, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
IF this thread is a reflection of the general opinion of the SDLP then they are in serious trouble.

The SDLP became nothing after Hume packed it in. Even Mallon was second rate who never achieved anything in his political career. Since it became clear that the Peace process would mean SF sctive in political institutions the SDLP became the atni SF party. Ever since peace became a real possibility after the Adams and Hume talks the SDLP went into defence mode trying to protect their electoral success against SF. This inculded and includes pacts with Unionists and British Governments in an attempt to isolate SF. They have some neck complaining about SF not taking seats in westminster when over the years the stood hand in hand with unionists and british Governments while SF were locked outside the gates.


History repeating itself then with SF doing the same thing now. What's new ?

I don't get ye?


SDLP accuse SF today of doing what you say the SDLP did to SF in the previous generation.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: dodgy umpire on April 26, 2010, 01:20:07 AM
Martin Morgan former SDLP councillor in Belfast was young and had a bit of vibrancy about him. I once asked him if he got much hassle from Republicans in North Belfast and he said he got more from members of his own party when he spoke out against the behaviour of the police and the state. They accused him of sounding like a Sinn Feiner. Says it all... now he is nowhere to be seen.   

I think he stood a few years ago, and came across as a very good candidate. Talked publicly about many in the SDLP wanting to drop the re-unification idea
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Pangurban on April 26, 2010, 02:21:32 AM
If there is a more strident, illogical,ill prepared leader of a party, than Margaret Ritchie, then i have yet to come across them. The only place she will lead the S.D.L.P. is to complete oblivion.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on April 26, 2010, 11:10:15 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mMKQd8nsSA&feature=related
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: unitedireland on April 26, 2010, 11:40:45 AM
Its Richie's fault if Unionist's take fermanagh and south Tyrone as the SDLP are not going to claim a seat they are only there to make up numbers and possibility take the deciding votes. McKinney was on TV last sunday and make look a fool by Gerry Kelly in a debate. Another celebrity politician - crap
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Ulick on April 26, 2010, 11:45:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mMKQd8nsSA&feature=related

1957 views


The real SDLP PEB - 1704 views  :D
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Ulick on April 26, 2010, 11:48:01 AM
Its Richie's fault if Unionist's take fermanagh and south Tyrone as the SDLP are not going to claim a seat they are only there to make up numbers and possibility take the deciding votes. McKinney was on TV last sunday and make look a fool by Gerry Kelly in a debate. Another celebrity politician - crap

She admitted as much on the radio yesterday morning that it was about building for the Assembly elections next year i.e. she will hand the Westminster seat to the unionists so she can increase Fearghals chances of getting an Assembly seat.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 26, 2010, 04:22:56 PM
Is that not a legitimate enough move by a party leader then? To maximise their vote in a constituency? A SF or any Nationalist victory in FST Westminster elections won't bring a UI any closer, if the constitutional issue is your big concern.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on April 26, 2010, 04:43:31 PM
Is that not a legitimate enough move by a party leader then? To maximise their vote in a constituency? A SF or any Nationalist victory in FST Westminster elections won't bring a UI any closer, if the constitutional issue is your big concern.

I'd imagine if the SDLP were looking to build their strength for the Assembly elections they would have been better served to take part in the electoral pact. In refusing they have done their credibility no good amongst nationalists. Again.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 26, 2010, 04:50:38 PM
Is that not a legitimate enough move by a party leader then? To maximise their vote in a constituency? A SF or any Nationalist victory in FST Westminster elections won't bring a UI any closer, if the constitutional issue is your big concern.

I'd imagine if the SDLP were looking to build their strength for the Assembly elections they would have been better served to take part in the electoral pact. In refusing they have done their credibility no good amongst nationalists. Again.
Obviously Margaret Ritchie thought otherwise. The impact on their credibility will be seen in a few weeks and in the subsequent Assembly elections and they will have to live with that. Their credibility in the eyes of SF and staunch SF supporters such as yourself will probably be of little concern.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 26, 2010, 05:00:14 PM
Maguire01...from what I can tell their credibility has taken a big blow in F&ST.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 26, 2010, 05:06:23 PM
Maguire01...from what I can tell their credibility has taken a big blow in F&ST.
Quite possibly - we'll soon find out. Although I'd imagine that the most vocal would be SF supporters, as is the case on here. At the end of the day, it's in the hands of the electorate in FST - they can still choose to return Gildernew, the SDLP hasn't removed that option.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on April 26, 2010, 05:23:45 PM
Is that not a legitimate enough move by a party leader then? To maximise their vote in a constituency? A SF or any Nationalist victory in FST Westminster elections won't bring a UI any closer, if the constitutional issue is your big concern.

I'd imagine if the SDLP were looking to build their strength for the Assembly elections they would have been better served to take part in the electoral pact. In refusing they have done their credibility no good amongst nationalists. Again.
Obviously Margaret Ritchie thought otherwise. The impact on their credibility will be seen in a few weeks and in the subsequent Assembly elections and they will have to live with that. Their credibility in the eyes of SF and staunch SF supporters such as yourself will probably be of little concern.

Well either Margaret Ritchie thought different, (in which case she could be regarded as even worse a party leader than the posters on this thread have already alleged) or else, which I suggest is the more likely scenario, she is of the "anyone but SF" mindset that seems to permeate everything the SDLP says and does in the past number of years. I would agree with you when you say you expect the SDLP would not be all that concerned with how they are seen by SF supporters. Unfortunately they should be concerned with how the general nationalist population sees them. Again, this move by them indicated that they aren't actually too bothered with that.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 26, 2010, 05:25:41 PM
She admitted as much on the radio yesterday morning that it was about building for the Assembly elections next year i.e. she will hand the Westminster seat to the unionists so she can increase Fearghals chances of getting an Assembly seat.

Is that a U turn on the claims that she wouldn't be part of a sectarian pact? Does she finally accept that nobody bought into that?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 26, 2010, 05:45:11 PM
Maguire01...from what I can tell their credibility has taken a big blow in F&ST.
Quite possibly - we'll soon find out. Although I'd imagine that the most vocal would be SF supporters, as is the case on here. At the end of the day, it's in the hands of the electorate in FST - they can still choose to return Gildernew, the SDLP hasn't removed that option.

Quite a few traditional SDLP supporters I've met too.  They're furious at Ritchie & McKinney.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 26, 2010, 05:56:03 PM
She admitted as much on the radio yesterday morning that it was about building for the Assembly elections next year i.e. she will hand the Westminster seat to the unionists so she can increase Fearghals chances of getting an Assembly seat.

Is that a U turn on the claims that she wouldn't be part of a sectarian pact? Does she finally accept that nobody bought into that?
Does it have to be one or the other?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 26, 2010, 06:03:03 PM
Quite a few traditional SDLP supporters I've met too.  They're furious at Ritchie & McKinney.
Maybe. I'd assume they'll now vote for Gildernew? If enough people care enough and want Gildernew, she will still be elected, regardless of the lack of a pact. If she isn't elected, then we can assume she doesn't appeal to enough nationalist voters(?)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 26, 2010, 09:31:58 PM
She admitted as much on the radio yesterday morning that it was about building for the Assembly elections next year i.e. she will hand the Westminster seat to the unionists so she can increase Fearghals chances of getting an Assembly seat.

Is that a U turn on the claims that she wouldn't be part of a sectarian pact? Does she finally accept that nobody bought into that?
Does it have to be one or the other?

The question is, is it both or is it just one? If it's just one which one is it? If it's both it waters down her original position.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 26, 2010, 09:39:05 PM
I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 26, 2010, 09:45:02 PM
I'm not sure why.

Well what ever has you not sure is probably my point.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Orior on April 26, 2010, 10:04:48 PM
I just had Alex Maskey at my doorstep canvasing. Its a pity Alex is not running himself as he is a very intelligent and articulate man.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 26, 2010, 10:27:49 PM
I just had Alex Maskey at my doorstep canvasing. Its a pity Alex is not running himself as he is a very intelligent and articulate man.

What constituency?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Orior on April 26, 2010, 10:29:02 PM
North Beal Feirste
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Ulick on April 26, 2010, 11:10:37 PM
Have yet to have any of them near my door. The Stoops must have us down as "hostile", though I can't imagine why.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Gaffer on April 26, 2010, 11:15:53 PM
I just had Alex Maskey at my doorstep canvasing. Its a pity Alex is not running himself as he is a very intelligent and articulate man.

Agree, but the men in grey suits told him he wasn' t standing !!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 27, 2010, 01:01:05 AM
I just had Alex Maskey at my doorstep canvasing. Its a pity Alex is not running himself as he is a very intelligent and articulate man.

Agree, but the men in grey suits told him he wasn' t standing !!

He wasn't standig in north Belfast.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Pangurban on April 27, 2010, 01:42:47 AM
We have been hearing a lot of talk about integrity from S.D.L.P. candidates, which is difficult to square with the fact, that in order to enter Westminister, they are prepared to swear a solemn oath of loyalty , which by their own admission they dont believe in. Not much integrity there. Perhaps some moral theologian might care to comment on this stance
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 27, 2010, 01:47:27 AM
We have been hearing a lot of talk about integrity from S.D.L.P. candidates, which is difficult to square with the fact, that in order to enter Westminister, they are prepared to swear a solemn oath of loyalty , which by their own admission they dont believe in. Not much integrity there. Perhaps some moral theologian might care to comment on this stance

Michael Collins did it?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Pangurban on April 27, 2010, 02:01:58 AM
Does that make it right, or moral
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: johnneycool on April 27, 2010, 09:22:05 AM
I just had Alex Maskey at my doorstep canvasing. Its a pity Alex is not running himself as he is a very intelligent and articulate man.

Agree, but the men in grey suits told him he wasn' t standing !!

He wasn't standig in north Belfast.

Isn't Alex south Belfast or is that just for the assembly?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: glens abu on April 27, 2010, 09:36:41 AM
I just had Alex Maskey at my doorstep canvasing. Its a pity Alex is not running himself as he is a very intelligent and articulate man.

Agree, but the men in grey suits told him he wasn' t standing !!

He wasn't standig in north Belfast.

Isn't Alex south Belfast or is that just for the assembly?

South BelfastMLA but over working for Gerry Kelly in the North of the city
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 27, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
Does that make it right, or moral

Nah, it was wrong then too.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Main Street on April 27, 2010, 12:25:53 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: glens abu on April 27, 2010, 12:39:31 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.

How do you work that out?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Gaffer on April 27, 2010, 12:49:02 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.

Agree totally. You dont see them bashing their good mates......... the unionists.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Main Street on April 27, 2010, 12:49:41 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.

How do you work that out?

I read the thread.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: glens abu on April 27, 2010, 01:14:22 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.

How do you work that out?

I read the thread.

so do you really think all the people on here complaining about the SDLP are Sinn Fein members
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 27, 2010, 01:57:18 PM
so do you really think all the people on here complaining about the SDLP are Sinn Fein members
I think it's clear that a number of the main contributers are either SF members or staunch supporters. Some people clearly have an agenda.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: glens abu on April 27, 2010, 02:02:01 PM
so do you really think all the people on here complaining about the SDLP are Sinn Fein members
I think it's clear that a number of the main contributers are either SF members or staunch supporters. Some people clearly have an agenda.

Well as I told you before I am but would say more supporters than members,but I might be wrong.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on April 27, 2010, 02:32:48 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.

Agree totally. You dont see them bashing their good mates......... the unionists.

I think the SDLP have proven by their attitude to Fermanagh/South Tyrone that they indeed are the true friends of unionism. I think the examples I outlined on page one of this thread would substantiate that argument further.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 27, 2010, 06:09:24 PM
I have no problem being good mates with Unionists.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on April 27, 2010, 06:20:33 PM
Good lad. Me either. It doesnt mean I agree with the SDLP accommodating them at the cost of nationalist majority consitituents in Fermanagh/South Tyrone.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 27, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.

Agree totally. You dont see them bashing their good mates......... the unionists.

There is an election on. SF and the SDLP are fighting for the same floating vote.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Tony Baloney on April 27, 2010, 08:46:54 PM
Good lad. Me either. It doesnt mean I agree with the SDLP accommodating them at the cost of nationalist majority consitituents in Fermanagh/South Tyrone.
Whoever wins F/ST will have been democratically elected by the constituents. Get over it.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Rosie McCann on April 27, 2010, 09:09:40 PM
I was dissapointed to hear the sitting MP for South Belfast say that the withdrawal of Alex Maskey was a stunt. It was also dissapointing to hear Ms Ritchie say that the withdrawal would not affect the SDLP vote in the area. Without going into specifics some of the electorate who would ordinarily have voted Sinn Fein/Unionist at the last election voted for the MP currently in situ, simply to help the area move away from tribal politics. I may be wrong but I firmly believe the arrogance demonstrated recently by Ms Ritchie and Alisdair McDonnell could well come back to bite. My late grandfather always told me never to pull the ladder up behind you as you never know when you have to go back down again, wise words indeed. Hopefully for them they haven't cut off their nose to spite their face by dismissing in particular Sinn Fein voters out of hand. (It is ironic that for years the SDLP pleaded for nationalist votes in the South Belfast area in order to secure a nationalist seat and now they treat the same voters with disdain?)

Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: hardstation on April 27, 2010, 09:19:24 PM
Alasdair McDonnell went and got himself booked in an All Ireland semi final. Liability. Typical Glenariff.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Zapatista on April 27, 2010, 09:23:03 PM
I was dissapointed to hear the sitting MP for South Belfast say that the withdrawal of Alex Maskey was a stunt. It was also dissapointing to hear Ms Ritchie say that the withdrawal would not affect the SDLP vote in the area. Without going into specifics some of the electorate who would ordinarily have voted Sinn Fein/Unionist at the last election voted for the MP currently in situ, simply to help the area move away from tribal politics. I may be wrong but I firmly believe the arrogance demonstrated recently by Ms Ritchie and Alisdair McDonnell could well come back to bite. My late grandfather always told me never to pull the ladder up behind you as you never know when you have to go back down again, wise words indeed. Hopefully for them they haven't cut off their nose to spite their face by dismissing in particular Sinn Fein voters out of hand. (It is ironic that for years the SDLP pleaded for nationalist votes in the South Belfast area in order to secure a nationalist seat and now they treat the same voters with disdain?)

That's shocking bad electioneering :o
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Gaffer on April 27, 2010, 09:58:51 PM
Good lad. Me either. It doesnt mean I agree with the SDLP accommodating them at the cost of nationalist majority consitituents in Fermanagh/South Tyrone.


IDEA ! Gildernew steps aside. Sinn Fein call for Nationalists to support McKinney to ensure a nationalist is returned.
If however, Sinn FEin are still prepared to split the nationalist vote and let a unionist become elected then they are as nuch to blame as the SDLP.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trileacman on April 27, 2010, 10:33:46 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.

Agree totally. You dont see them bashing their good mates......... the unionists.

I think the SDLP have proven by their attitude to Fermanagh/South Tyrone that they indeed are the true friends of unionism. I think the examples I outlined on page one of this thread would substantiate that argument further.

Well if you'd rather turf grenades . . .
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on April 27, 2010, 11:18:48 PM
Good lad. Me either. It doesnt mean I agree with the SDLP accommodating them at the cost of nationalist majority consitituents in Fermanagh/South Tyrone.


IDEA ! Gildernew steps aside. Sinn Fein call for Nationalists to support McKinney to ensure a nationalist is returned.
If however, Sinn FEin are still prepared to split the nationalist vote and let a unionist become elected then they are as nuch to blame as the SDLP.

OK so your "IDEA!" for a nationalist pact is for SF to pull out of two constituencies to facilitate an SDLP victory in both? Sound reasoning. Have you not read the newspapers? Sinn Fein already pulled out of a consitituency to facilitate an SDLP candidate. The SDLP would not reciprocate in another consitituency.

The SDLP and Orange Order will be totally responsible if/when a tory unionist is elected to Fermanagh/South Tyrone.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: hardstation on April 27, 2010, 11:28:07 PM
Good lad. Me either. It doesnt mean I agree with the SDLP accommodating them at the cost of nationalist majority consitituents in Fermanagh/South Tyrone.


IDEA ! Gildernew steps aside. Sinn Fein call for Nationalists to support McKinney to ensure a nationalist is returned.
If however, Sinn FEin are still prepared to split the nationalist vote and let a unionist become elected then they are as nuch to blame as the SDLP.

OK so your "IDEA!" for a nationalist pact is for SF to pull out of two constituencies to facilitate an SDLP victory in both? Sound reasoning. Have you not read the newspapers? Sinn Fein already pulled out of a consitituency to facilitate an SDLP candidate. The SDLP would not reciprocate in another consitituency.

The SDLP and Orange Order will be totally responsible if/when a tory unionist is elected to Fermanagh/South Tyrone.
That's balls to be honest. Sinn Fein are looking to play games because they don't have the nads to fight for their own seats. The stoops are not interested.

Since when did Sinn Fein dictate what the stoops do or vice versa? If a tory unionist gets elected in FST, it is because he/she gets more votes than the other candidates.

No fan of the stoops by any means but Sinn Fein have nobody to blame for this but themselves.

Why didn't they leave Maskey in and pull Gerry out of west Belfast, letting Attwood take the seat?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Ulick on April 27, 2010, 11:28:30 PM
Why is this tread the focus of debate about the upcoming elections? It looks like Sinn Fein are more into SDLP bashing than focusing on their own policies.

Policies? It's a Brit election, policy is irrelevant. Given that the amount of influence anyone this side of the water will have amounts to the square root of f**k all, the only policy that matters is position on the National Question. The Stoops appear to want to doff their caps to the old colonial masters and Durkan and McDonnell have been seduced by the pomp, circumstance and cash of the Brit establishment - Irish nationalists my hole. West Brits or Uncle Toms would be a more fitting description.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: lawnseed on April 27, 2010, 11:50:05 PM
had the shinners at the door last week, the main aim is to become the biggest party here, gildernew needs 9 out of 10 nationlist votes in fst to win the seat, lets be honest winning westminister seats for sinn fein is just muscle flexing so its not the end of the world if they dont. unfortunately for the sdlp they have to try for jobs or they're gonna disappear altogether, they'll hold onto a couple of mps this time but they're in terminal decline like their wishy washy mates the unionist party ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Pangurban on April 28, 2010, 12:06:30 AM
Lets not forget another aspect of this equation,Margaret Ritchie will need Unionist votes to retain South Down for the SDLP, probably her primary reason for rejecting a pact, pure self interest
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 28, 2010, 09:06:32 AM
Good lad. Me either. It doesnt mean I agree with the SDLP accommodating them at the cost of nationalist majority consitituents in Fermanagh/South Tyrone.


IDEA ! Gildernew steps aside. Sinn Fein call for Nationalists to support McKinney to ensure a nationalist is returned.
If however, Sinn FEin are still prepared to split the nationalist vote and let a unionist become elected then they are as nuch to blame as the SDLP.

IDEA!!  Watch the Politics Show "debate" with McKinney & Kelly.  McKinney wouldn't get elected if he was the only one standing...Question for McKinney supporters...how long has he been a member of the SDLP??
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: johnneycool on April 28, 2010, 10:41:49 AM
It'd probably make more sense to let the sitting MP stand if its an election pact you 'd be entering in to.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 28, 2010, 01:05:58 PM
IDEA!!  Watch the Politics Show "debate" with McKinney & Kelly.  McKinney wouldn't get elected if he was the only one standing...Question for McKinney supporters...how long has he been a member of the SDLP??
Firstly, I think some people are placing too much importance on that episode of The Politics Show. McKinney was bad, but it's hardly a primetime show. It's impact will be limited.

Also I'm not sure of the relevance of McKinney's time in the SDLP. How long was Ruane a member of SF before she stood for them as a candidate?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 28, 2010, 01:35:59 PM
IDEA!!  Watch the Politics Show "debate" with McKinney & Kelly.  McKinney wouldn't get elected if he was the only one standing...Question for McKinney supporters...how long has he been a member of the SDLP??
Firstly, I think some people are placing too much importance on that episode of The Politics Show. McKinney was bad, but it's hardly a primetime show. It's impact will be limited.

Also I'm not sure of the relevance of McKinney's time in the SDLP. How long was Ruane a member of SF before she stood for them as a candidate?

Haven't a clue, I would never vote for Ruane as she's been promoted way above her level of competence (plus she's not standing in my constituency).  However I do know that she was involved in community "activism" in West Belfast for a good while before she became an elected representative but that's probably not relevant. 

Fearghal McKinney is looking for my vote judging by the leaflet stuck on my car at Mass on Sunday and the same leaflet through the letter box.  So his background and experience are relevant.  The SDLP will loook back on his candidacy next Friday and think "Well it seemed like a good idea at the time"  I would guess the thinking was "We'll get a high profile celeb candidate to eat into Gildernew's vote and maybe set us up for a decent tilt at Gerry McHugh's Assembly seat".  Maybe not a bad strategy.  They were scuppered by two things 1) The single Unionist/Tory candidate (over which the SDLP had no control) and 2) A poor candidate who clearly doesn't have a grasp of the issues (over which they do have control).
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 28, 2010, 01:49:57 PM
IDEA!!  Watch the Politics Show "debate" with McKinney & Kelly.  McKinney wouldn't get elected if he was the only one standing...Question for McKinney supporters...how long has he been a member of the SDLP??
Firstly, I think some people are placing too much importance on that episode of The Politics Show. McKinney was bad, but it's hardly a primetime show. It's impact will be limited.

Also I'm not sure of the relevance of McKinney's time in the SDLP. How long was Ruane a member of SF before she stood for them as a candidate?

McKinney's performance wasn't of Cecil Walker proportions, but it was pretty bad by anyone's standards. It was certainly poor enough to make me seriously reconsider about lumping heavily on Connor.

the daddy..don't lump on anyone here...I still think Connor will win but it's going to be too close to consider a big bet IMHO
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on April 28, 2010, 01:52:20 PM
IDEA!!  Watch the Politics Show "debate" with McKinney & Kelly.  McKinney wouldn't get elected if he was the only one standing...Question for McKinney supporters...how long has he been a member of the SDLP??
Firstly, I think some people are placing too much importance on that episode of The Politics Show. McKinney was bad, but it's hardly a primetime show. It's impact will be limited.

Also I'm not sure of the relevance of McKinney's time in the SDLP. How long was Ruane a member of SF before she stood for them as a candidate?

How do you make that?

He goes on the show to debate with Gerry Kelly about why Nationalists should vote SDLP instead of Sinn Fein. He makes a complete hash of it. Spurting out tired cliches and losing every single debate against him.

To me that is important. It highlights that rather than selecting a candidate of substance, the SDLP parashooted in a local celebrity to win votes. Quite frankly, that's insulting to the local electorate.

A further note, you may say Fergal McKinney is new to politics. Mike Nesbitt is new to politics too, but he handled himself a lot better against Jeffrey Donaldson.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: cusack og on April 28, 2010, 06:31:22 PM
Lets not forget another aspect of this equation,Margaret Ritchie will need Unionist votes to retain South Down for the SDLP, probably her primary reason for rejecting a pact, pure self interest

Nail on the head. It is within the SDLP's interest to appeal to the centre ground to help maintain their vote in areas like South Down and Foyle. Making any pact with SF may scupper this.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on April 28, 2010, 07:13:09 PM
How do you make that?

He goes on the show to debate with Gerry Kelly about why Nationalists should vote SDLP instead of Sinn Fein. He makes a complete hash of it. Spurting out tired cliches and losing every single debate against him.

To me that is important. It highlights that rather than selecting a candidate of substance, the SDLP parashooted in a local celebrity to win votes. Quite frankly, that's insulting to the local electorate.
Ziggy, not saying that his appearance wasn't a diaster, just wondering what propotion of the electorate actually watched that show - it's not exactly primetime. If few people saw it, it's impact may not be very significant.

As for 'substance', there's more to that than performing in a TV interview; there are plenty of politicians who can talk the talk but do little else. Difficult to judge whether he has any substance at this stage. And as for being dropped into Fermanagh, he does at least have a proper connection to the area - there are many instances of parachuting in candidates across all parties.

And I agree, Nesbitt performed well against Donaldson, but that doesn't necessarily mean McKinney can't improve with time.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ardmhachaabu on April 28, 2010, 08:00:31 PM
Lets not forget another aspect of this equation,Margaret Ritchie will need Unionist votes to retain South Down for the SDLP, probably her primary reason for rejecting a pact, pure self interest

Nail on the head. It is within the SDLP's interest to appeal to the centre ground to help maintain their vote in areas like South Down and Foyle. Making any pact with SF may scupper this.
Spot on.  Why would they even countenance the shinners' approach for a pact?  It makes no long-term sense, if they accepted a pact there would be no need for them. 
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: DickyRock on April 29, 2010, 08:52:57 AM
Does anyone know why the shinners pulled out of South Belfast rather than FST?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 29, 2010, 09:03:48 AM
Does anyone know why the shinners pulled out of South Belfast rather than FST?

Presumably since the SDLP are the incumbent in Sth Belfast and SF are the incumbent in FST, the Shinners are giving up 3,000 votes in Sth Belfast whereas they'd be giving up 19,000 in FST?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Rois on April 29, 2010, 09:36:39 AM
I was told it was a policy of SDLP not to enter into pacts so if this is the case, why the anger at them this time, what's changed from any other time?  Is there historical precedence of them doing it (in the last 20 years anyway)?

On another point, jeez I can't listen to Catriona Ruane - she was on Radio Ulster this morning and for once I thought Margaret Ritchie spoke more sense.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on April 29, 2010, 09:40:00 AM
On another point, jeez I can't listen to Catriona Ruane - she was on Radio Ulster this morning and for once I thought Margaret Ritchie spoke more sense.

The two of them are hard to listen to  :D
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: A Quinn Martin Production on April 29, 2010, 10:14:34 AM
I was told it was a policy of SDLP not to enter into pacts so if this is the case, why the anger at them this time, what's changed from any other time?  Is there historical precedence of them doing it (in the last 20 years anyway)?

On another point, jeez I can't listen to Catriona Ruane - she was on Radio Ulster this morning and for once I thought Margaret Ritchie spoke more sense.

What is that called...Hobson's Choice??
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 07, 2010, 07:54:08 PM
Did anyone see this pack of clowns on over the weekend? That Richie one is an absolute nightmare. She has no charisma, no humour, no intellect and ... I could go on. Shower of arrogant Castle Snobs..
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 07, 2010, 09:26:37 PM
Did anyone see this pack of clowns on over the weekend? That Richie one is an absolute nightmare. She has no charisma, no humour, no intellect and ... I could go on. Shower of arrogant Castle Snobs..

Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party.

You're right about that bundle of joy that is Margaret Richie; and it's because of her lack of charisma, humour, intellect, charm, tactical awareness, personality etc that I hope & pray she remains as the stoops leader, and with any luck will do untold damage to their electoral prospects.

Rant over.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Gaffer on November 07, 2010, 10:04:16 PM
Did anyone see this pack of clowns on over the weekend? That Richie one is an absolute nightmare. She has no charisma, no humour, no intellect and ... I could go on. Shower of arrogant Castle Snobs..

Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party.
You're right about that bundle of joy that is Margaret Richie; and it's because of her lack of charisma, humour, intellect, charm, tactical awareness, personality etc that I hope & pray she remains as the stoops leader, and with any luck will do untold damage to their electoral prospects.

Rant over.

Solicitors and Lawyers are the same thing ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 07, 2010, 10:07:57 PM
Did anyone see this pack of clowns on over the weekend? That Richie one is an absolute nightmare. She has no charisma, no humour, no intellect and ... I could go on. Shower of arrogant Castle Snobs..

Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party.
You're right about that bundle of joy that is Margaret Richie; and it's because of her lack of charisma, humour, intellect, charm, tactical awareness, personality etc that I hope & pray she remains as the stoops leader, and with any luck will do untold damage to their electoral prospects.

Rant over.

Solicitors and Lawyers are the same thing ::)

Not strictly true. All solicitors are lawyers but not all lawyers are solicitors.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 07, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 07, 2010, 10:16:25 PM
Not to mention Barristers, Gallsman



Good to see you have resigned yourself to acceptance of SF dominance all the same  ;)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 07, 2010, 10:21:28 PM
Did anyone see this pack of clowns on over the weekend? That Richie one is an absolute nightmare. She has no charisma, no humour, no intellect and ... I could go on. Shower of arrogant Castle Snobs..

Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party.
You're right about that bundle of joy that is Margaret Richie; and it's because of her lack of charisma, humour, intellect, charm, tactical awareness, personality etc that I hope & pray she remains as the stoops leader, and with any luck will do untold damage to their electoral prospects.

Rant over.

Solicitors and Lawyers are the same thing ::)

1.  ::)
2. Is that all you have to say about my post? Does that mean you agree with everything else?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Gaffer on November 07, 2010, 10:24:21 PM
Did anyone see this pack of clowns on over the weekend? That Richie one is an absolute nightmare. She has no charisma, no humour, no intellect and ... I could go on. Shower of arrogant Castle Snobs..

Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party.
You're right about that bundle of joy that is Margaret Richie; and it's because of her lack of charisma, humour, intellect, charm, tactical awareness, personality etc that I hope & pray she remains as the stoops leader, and with any luck will do untold damage to their electoral prospects.

Rant over.

Solicitors and Lawyers are the same thing ::)

1.  ::)
2. Is that all you have to say about my post? Does that mean you agree with everything else?

Yip, that's all I have to say...Why?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 07, 2010, 10:26:56 PM
Did anyone see this pack of clowns on over the weekend? That Richie one is an absolute nightmare. She has no charisma, no humour, no intellect and ... I could go on. Shower of arrogant Castle Snobs..

Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party.
You're right about that bundle of joy that is Margaret Richie; and it's because of her lack of charisma, humour, intellect, charm, tactical awareness, personality etc that I hope & pray she remains as the stoops leader, and with any luck will do untold damage to their electoral prospects.

Rant over.

Solicitors and Lawyers are the same thing ::)

1.  ::)
2. Is that all you have to say about my post? Does that mean you agree with everything else?

Yip, that's all I have to say...Why?

No reason. Thanks for the conversation!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 07, 2010, 10:34:23 PM
I don't understand this snobbery for such professions, especially (as has already been pointed out) as there are plenty of SF voters at University aiming to join those ranks. They may tick the SF box, but they don't want no 'average industrial wage'.

Also even (or especially) in the darkest days, getting a good education was always highly valued in the Catholic community. That having a profession is a source of ridicule baffles me.

Although I'm sure you'd never call on the services of a Doctor, Solicitor or Lawyer yourself NS.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 07, 2010, 10:37:51 PM
Jaysus lads ye are all awful men for getting your knickers in a twist.

What if I just stick to the original... Stoop Down Low Party? Happy everyone?

Good.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 07, 2010, 10:39:51 PM
Jaysus lads ye are all awful men for getting your knickers in a twist.

What if I just stick to the original... Stoop Down Low Party? Happy everyone?

Good.
I'd rather you explained why being a professional was such a source of ridicule.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 07, 2010, 10:47:26 PM
Jaysus lads ye are all awful men for getting your knickers in a twist.

What if I just stick to the original... Stoop Down Low Party? Happy everyone?

Good.
I'd rather you explained why being a professional was such a source of ridicule.

Professions a source of ridicule? I don't remember ridiculing any professions.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 07, 2010, 10:49:58 PM
Sinn Fein dominance?! Oh right, you mean in the occupied six counties. By being so narrow minded and limiting your scope you're not really buying into the whole "we're an all-Ireland party" ideal, are you? So, in reality, you can't really consider yourself a Republican. How disappointing for you.

You remark on snobbery (which is just prejudice) and then crudely attempt to insult certain professions. Is that not snobbery?

So you've just found out you're a snob and you're not even a Republican? I'd call that a bad evening all round.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 07, 2010, 10:51:18 PM
So what was the purpose of the 'Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party' line?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 07, 2010, 10:57:22 PM
So what was the purpose of the 'Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party' line?

A reference to the SDLP being a party which markets itself towards the "middle classes" and maintains minimal interest in the "working class" communities. The Alliance Party, in other words.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 07, 2010, 11:01:46 PM
I've seen Sinn Fein out and about the Malone Road on many occasions. Is this not marketing to the middle class?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 07, 2010, 11:05:15 PM
So what was the purpose of the 'Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party' line?

A reference to the SDLP being a party which markets itself towards the "middle classes" and maintains minimal interest in the "working class" communities. The Alliance Party, in other words.
I thought it was generally a reference to the background of the party's elected representatives. I also thought the 'S' stood for Schoolteachers.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 07, 2010, 11:10:43 PM
So what was the purpose of the 'Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party' line?

A reference to the SDLP being a party which markets itself towards the "middle classes" and maintains minimal interest in the "working class" communities. The Alliance Party, in other words.
I thought it was generally a reference to the background of the party's elected representatives. I also thought the 'S' stood for Schoolteachers.
Glad to have clarified my point. Apologies for any mass confusion.

Sin sin, mar a deirtear.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 07, 2010, 11:12:45 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.


Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
Jesus christ what a generalisation. How or why would you jump to that conclusion?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 07, 2010, 11:22:05 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.


Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
Jesus christ what a generalisation. How or why would you jump to that conclusion?

Because I'm of that generation and have many friends who would be part of those lectures, perhaps?

Perhaps I should have said would be more sympathetic to Sinn Fein than the SDLP considering how many people of my generation (yes Pints, I'm reinforcing the point that my insight is a lot greater than yours) don't bother to vote.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 07, 2010, 11:33:10 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.


Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
Jesus christ what a generalisation. How or why would you jump to that conclusion?

Because I'm of that generation and have many friends who would be part of those lectures, perhaps?

Perhaps I should have said would be more sympathetic to Sinn Fein than the SDLP considering how many people of my generation (yes Pints, I'm reinforcing the point that my insight is a lot greater than yours) don't bother to vote.
Right so we've gone from the majority of those wearing GAA tops in lectures would be Sinn Fein voters to many of your generation would be more sympathetic to Sinn Fein (and you don't need any major political insight in to know Sinn Fein would be more popular amongst young people).
I think you see how stupid your comment was.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 07, 2010, 11:40:17 PM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 07, 2010, 11:41:31 PM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
What you did was make a strange generalisation about people wearing GAA tops to university lectures.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 07, 2010, 11:47:40 PM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
What you did was make a strange generalisation about people wearing GAA tops to university lectures.

Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 07, 2010, 11:51:53 PM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
What you did was make a strange generalisation about people wearing GAA tops to university lectures.

Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.
How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 07, 2010, 11:53:14 PM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
What you did was make a strange generalisation about people wearing GAA tops to university lectures.

Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.
How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.

Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 07, 2010, 11:57:52 PM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
What you did was make a strange generalisation about people wearing GAA tops to university lectures.

Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.
How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.

Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.
aye alright - you know all about the voting habits of gaa top wearing students in universities you never even attended.  ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 12:14:21 AM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
What you did was make a strange generalisation about people wearing GAA tops to university lectures.

Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.
How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.

Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.
aye alright - you know all about the voting habits of gaa top wearing students in universities you never even attended.  ::)

A lot more than you do, yes.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 08, 2010, 12:32:44 AM
Pints, what Gallsman is trying to say is that you are too old to understand and are simply below him.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 08, 2010, 12:52:02 AM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
What you did was make a strange generalisation about people wearing GAA tops to university lectures.

Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.
How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.

Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.

Needless to say, Gallsman is the mule (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh33bGAxl58)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 08, 2010, 08:21:46 AM
Em, no, not really. What I was doing was pointing out that after NS had his little dig (in his head) at "middle class" professions I pointed out that an awful lot of Sinn Fein supporters aspire to enter such professions.
What you did was make a strange generalisation about people wearing GAA tops to university lectures.

Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.
How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.

Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.
aye alright - you know all about the voting habits of gaa top wearing students in universities you never even attended.  ::)

A lot more than you do, yes.

Aye, you know everything  ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Banana Man on November 08, 2010, 10:29:51 AM
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Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.


Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.

Tell you what Gallsman you certainly bought into the Trinity education when you went down there. Your attitude seems to be, we debate your point of view and the other one then decide you are right. You put me in mind of alasdair mcdonnell  ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: dodgy umpire on November 08, 2010, 12:22:14 PM
I too am of the same generation as gallsman and his comments would be fairly accurate. There actually was a survey carried out which found that 25% of the students would support sinn fein, and the three other main parties fared around 10%-14% or so. A large proportion of students didn't care
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 01:16:14 PM
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Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.


Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.

Tell you what Gallsman you certainly bought into the Trinity education when you went down there. Your attitude seems to be, we debate your point of view and the other one then decide you are right. You put me in mind of alasdair mcdonnell  ::)

Well that's just shite of the highest order, isn't it? I've stated what my belief is based on and in return all that has been presented is a load of crap with no evidence to justify any other opinion. I've already stated that I have no firm evidence and my belief purely comes from generational insight and frienships amongst the various classes mentioned earlier.

The higlighted bit makes no sense. Maybe it's because you didn't go to Trinity or something that you can't communicate effectively. You know, seeing as I go on about it so much and try to remind everyone of my superiority.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Banana Man on November 08, 2010, 01:38:38 PM
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Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.


Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.

Tell you what Gallsman you certainly bought into the Trinity education when you went down there. Your attitude seems to be, we debate your point of view and the other one then decide you are right. You put me in mind of alasdair mcdonnell 


Well that's just shite of the highest order, isn't it? I've stated what my belief is based on and in return all that has been presented is a load of crap with no evidence to justify any other opinion. I've already stated that I have no firm evidence and my belief purely comes from generational insight and frienships amongst the various classes mentioned earlier.

The higlighted bit makes no sense. Maybe it's because you didn't go to Trinity or something that you can't communicate effectively. You know, seeing as I go on about it so much and try to remind everyone of my superiority.

Is that your attempt at debate? label everything as shite?

Maybe I gave you too much credit. Trinity would be seen as one of the last bastions of imperialism in Dublin, the last of the blueblood etc, they would foster and encourage the condescending attitude that you continuously represent here, with the sweeping generalisations of the 'bog Irish'.

If you had read what I posted you would see I was referring to you dismissing pints argument simply because you believed you were better qualified than him despite not knowing what experience he would have on the matter.

Certainly looks like you bought into the arrogant dogma of trinity very well. Mission accomplished.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: screenexile on November 08, 2010, 01:46:31 PM
I think that's a very sweeping generalisation that Gallsman has made there. I would have worn the odd Gaelic jersey around Queen's but have never and would never vote Sinn Fein.

Having said that I have not voted for anyone in years as the SDLP nor any of the other parties have put forward somebody I want to vote for. Our political system is a joke and the sooner we can get real leaders who get things done rather than people who like to take cheap shots and settle old scores the better in my view!!

PS. Gregory Campbell is the worst excuse of a Public Representative I have ever come across. Cannot stand him at all!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 05:05:43 PM
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Quote from: Banana Man on Today at 10:29:51 AM
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Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.


Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.

Tell you what Gallsman you certainly bought into the Trinity education when you went down there. Your attitude seems to be, we debate your point of view and the other one then decide you are right. You put me in mind of alasdair mcdonnell 


Well that's just shite of the highest order, isn't it? I've stated what my belief is based on and in return all that has been presented is a load of crap with no evidence to justify any other opinion. I've already stated that I have no firm evidence and my belief purely comes from generational insight and frienships amongst the various classes mentioned earlier.

The higlighted bit makes no sense. Maybe it's because you didn't go to Trinity or something that you can't communicate effectively. You know, seeing as I go on about it so much and try to remind everyone of my superiority.

Is that your attempt at debate? label everything as shite?

Maybe I gave you too much credit. Trinity would be seen as one of the last bastions of imperialism in Dublin, the last of the blueblood etc, they would foster and encourage the condescending attitude that you continuously represent here, with the sweeping generalisations of the 'bog Irish'.

If you had read what I posted you would see I was referring to you dismissing pints argument simply because you believed you were better qualified than him despite not knowing what experience he would have on the matter.

Certainly looks like you bought into the arrogant dogma of trinity very well. Mission accomplished.

Can you not even see the hypocrisy here? What exactly do you know of Trinity? I'd happily wager the answer is something close to nothing based on this post. I also went to DCU - perhaps you'd care to elaborate on what I picked up from there?

I never once dismissed Pints - my point was that I believe I'm slightly better qualified than Pints to comment on such matters due to certain factors. Whether or not he or you dispute this is irrelevant.
Title: Re: The SDLP
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Strange to you perhaps? As I pointed out, I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment.How do you know you have more of an insight than me?
I'm also pretty sure you have never conducted a survey among gaa top wearing students in queens or jordanstown - you didn't even go to university there as I recall.


Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit. I'm pretty secure in my belief in the original statement.

Tell you what Gallsman you certainly bought into the Trinity education when you went down there. Your attitude seems to be, we debate your point of view and the other one then decide you are right. You put me in mind of alasdair mcdonnell 


Well that's just shite of the highest order, isn't it? I've stated what my belief is based on and in return all that has been presented is a load of crap with no evidence to justify any other opinion. I've already stated that I have no firm evidence and my belief purely comes from generational insight and frienships amongst the various classes mentioned earlier.

The higlighted bit makes no sense. Maybe it's because you didn't go to Trinity or something that you can't communicate effectively. You know, seeing as I go on about it so much and try to remind everyone of my superiority.

Is that your attempt at debate? label everything as shite?

Maybe I gave you too much credit. Trinity would be seen as one of the last bastions of imperialism in Dublin, the last of the blueblood etc, they would foster and encourage the condescending attitude that you continuously represent here, with the sweeping generalisations of the 'bog Irish'.

If you had read what I posted you would see I was referring to you dismissing pints argument simply because you believed you were better qualified than him despite not knowing what experience he would have on the matter.

Certainly looks like you bought into the arrogant dogma of trinity very well. Mission accomplished.


Can you not even see the hypocrisy here? What exactly do you know of Trinity? I'd happily wager the answer is something close to nothing based on this post. I also went to DCU - perhaps you'd care to elaborate on what I picked up from there?

I never once dismissed Pints - my point was that I believe I'm slightly better qualified than Pints to comment on such matters due to certain factors. Whether or not he or you dispute this is irrelevant.

That's the cusp of it there, in your version of debating, if someone disagrees with you it is irrelevant  ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 05:44:25 PM
Yes, that's what I said.

I offered up evidence of why I believe I'm qualified to comment on such matters. What have you offered?

I'm still waiting to find out what you know of Trinity and DCU.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: The Worker on November 08, 2010, 05:51:40 PM
Some sweeping statements on this thread.

Just as well we aren't into generalisations on this board!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on November 08, 2010, 06:15:58 PM
Was Margaret trying to fly away like a wee birdie at the end of the SDLP report on UTV?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 08, 2010, 06:18:16 PM
So what was the purpose of the 'Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party' line?

A reference to the SDLP being a party which markets itself towards the "middle classes" and maintains minimal interest in the "working class" communities. The Alliance Party, in other words.
I thought it was generally a reference to the background of the party's elected representatives. I also thought the 'S' stood for Schoolteachers.
Glad to have clarified my point. Apologies for any mass confusion.

Sin sin, mar a deirtear.
You clarified your point? The reference to the professions generally relates to the background of SDLP members, not their 'target audience'.

And is this an example of the 'minimal interest' in the "working class" communities?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11706738
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: andoireabu on November 08, 2010, 06:31:34 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 06:33:43 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: andoireabu on November 08, 2010, 06:39:54 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 06:40:41 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?

Sheer weight of numbers, perhaps???
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: andoireabu on November 08, 2010, 06:45:53 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?

Sheer weight of numbers, perhaps???
Perhaps? And say for instance if a person wasn't wearing their own area or counties GAA top, say someone from west belfast wearing a crossmaglen shirt, would this not impact your point of people in a law or medicine lecture voting for the shinners based on their clothes?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 08, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?
Maybe there aren't not that many city GAA tops around the universities?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 06:50:21 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?

Sheer weight of numbers, perhaps???
Perhaps? And say for instance if a person wasn't wearing their own area or counties GAA top, say someone from west belfast wearing a crossmaglen shirt, would this not impact your point of people in a law or medicine lecture voting for the shinners based on their clothes?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking me here.

If someone from West Belfast was wearing a Crossmaglen jersey, would it impact my thoughts on their likely voting preferences?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: andoireabu on November 08, 2010, 06:56:25 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?

Sheer weight of numbers, perhaps???
Perhaps? And say for instance if a person wasn't wearing their own area or counties GAA top, say someone from west belfast wearing a crossmaglen shirt, would this not impact your point of people in a law or medicine lecture voting for the shinners based on their clothes?

I'm not quite sure what you're asking me here.

If someone from West Belfast was wearing a Crossmaglen jersey, would it impact my thoughts on their likely voting preferences?
Yes though without you knowing where they are from.  You see a person in a country GAA shirt in a medicine lecture and you think they vote for...?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 08, 2010, 06:56:47 PM
So what was the purpose of the 'Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party' line?

A reference to the SDLP being a party which markets itself towards the "middle classes" and maintains minimal interest in the "working class" communities. The Alliance Party, in other words.
I thought it was generally a reference to the background of the party's elected representatives. I also thought the 'S' stood for Schoolteachers.
Glad to have clarified my point. Apologies for any mass confusion.

Sin sin, mar a deirtear.
You clarified your point? The reference to the professions generally relates to the background of SDLP members, not their 'target audience'.

And is this an example of the 'minimal interest' in the "working class" communities?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11706738

Jaysus Maguire01, you are now telling me what I meant by my own post? I'm sorry if I didn't mean it the way it would have suited you most to have a pop at me.

Tell you what, interpret it whatever way you feel suits you, and that way you can untwist them knickers of yours. It's bound to be getting uncomfortable.

As for your link, no.... a press statement from Miss Personality doesn't change the SDLP into the people's party just like that. Ol' maggie spent most of her conference speech making sure people knew they aren't Sinn Féin. She would have been better off trying to distance themselves from the Alliance party if you ask me.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 08, 2010, 06:59:22 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?
Maybe there aren't not that many city GAA tops around the universities?
But there are still some, so why make the distinction in the first place? Why not just say "GAA jerseys"?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 08, 2010, 07:02:01 PM
So what was the purpose of the 'Solicitors Doctors & Lawyers Party' line?

A reference to the SDLP being a party which markets itself towards the "middle classes" and maintains minimal interest in the "working class" communities. The Alliance Party, in other words.
I thought it was generally a reference to the background of the party's elected representatives. I also thought the 'S' stood for Schoolteachers.
Glad to have clarified my point. Apologies for any mass confusion.

Sin sin, mar a deirtear.
You clarified your point? The reference to the professions generally relates to the background of SDLP members, not their 'target audience'.

And is this an example of the 'minimal interest' in the "working class" communities?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-11706738

Jaysus Maguire01, you are now telling me what I meant by my own post? I'm sorry if I didn't mean it the way it would have suited you most to have a pop at me.

Tell you what, interpret it whatever way you feel suits you, and that way you can untwist them knickers of yours. It's bound to be getting uncomfortable.

As for your link, no.... a press statement from Miss Personality doesn't change the SDLP into the people's party just like that. Ol' maggie spent most of her conference speech making sure people knew they aren't Sinn Féin. She would have been better off trying to distance themselves from the Alliance party if you ask me.
I wasn't.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 08, 2010, 07:03:17 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?
Maybe there aren't not that many city GAA tops around the universities?
But there are still some, so why make the distinction in the first place? Why not just say "GAA jerseys"?
Maybe he didn't see any of the 'some'? I don't know, i'm just suggesting.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 08, 2010, 07:05:47 PM
Jesus Nally, I know lots of solicitors and doctors who vote Sinn Fein, I doubt they'd be very happy with you.

Walk into a Queen's medicine lecture or a Queens or Jordanstown law lecture and count how many country GAA tops you see, the majority of who I presume would be Sinn Fein voters.

Perhaps you'd prefer things to return to the bad old days when Catholics couldn't get work and were forced to rely on benefits to survive.
You have a crack at nally for being a snob and then come out with the bit i have highlighted? Reads a bit snobbish to me.  Are you saying that nobody from a city club votes Sinn Féin?

Em, no.
So then why stick the country GAA supporters in your point?
Maybe there aren't not that many city GAA tops around the universities?
But there are still some, so why make the distinction in the first place? Why not just say "GAA jerseys"?
Maybe he didn't see any of the 'some'? I don't know, i'm just suggesting.
Maybe, but if I was in Belfast and seen twenty people in GAA jerseys from rural areas, I would say "people in GAA jerseys" not "people in country GAA jerseys". I just can't understand the actual reason of adding "country".
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: fitzroyalty on November 08, 2010, 08:37:20 PM
Haven't you heard? If you're not from Belfast, you're a culchie. And if you wear a GAA jersey by-God you vote Sinn Fein. A bit off-topic here but I can't stand this attitude some Belfast people have that the world revolves around their city!  >:(
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 09:05:17 PM
Haven't you heard? If you're not from Belfast, you're a culchie. And if you wear a GAA jersey by-God you vote Sinn Fein. A bit off-topic here but I can't stand this attitude some Belfast people have that the world revolves around their city!  >:(

Not what I was trying to imply at all. In Dublin people call me a culchie for being from Belfast so I'm well aware of the big bad world outside Belfast.

Doire, if you're asking me if I knew someone from West Belfast wearing a Crossmaglen top, yes I would 100% believe that it's reasonable to believe Sinn Fein would be their party of choice, if that particular person voted at all.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: The Worker on November 08, 2010, 09:14:40 PM
Haven't you heard? If you're not from Belfast, you're a culchie. And if you wear a GAA jersey by-God you vote Sinn Fein. A bit off-topic here but I can't stand this attitude some Belfast people have that the world revolves around their city!  >:(

Not what I was trying to imply at all. In Dublin people call me a culchie for being from Belfast so I'm well aware of the big bad world outside Belfast.

Doire, if you're asking me if I knew someone from West Belfast wearing a Crossmaglen top, yes I would 100% believe that it's reasonable to believe Sinn Fein would be their party of choice, if that particular person voted at all.

I never knew a Gaa top was a political statement!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 08, 2010, 09:16:24 PM
Haven't you heard? If you're not from Belfast, you're a culchie. And if you wear a GAA jersey by-God you vote Sinn Fein. A bit off-topic here but I can't stand this attitude some Belfast people have that the world revolves around their city!  >:(

Not what I was trying to imply at all. In Dublin people call me a culchie for being from Belfast so I'm well aware of the big bad world outside Belfast.

Doire, if you're asking me if I knew someone from West Belfast wearing a Crossmaglen top, yes I would 100% believe that it's reasonable to believe Sinn Fein would be their party of choice, if that particular person voted at all.

I never knew a Gaa top was a political statement!

Me either. The things you learn on this board eh  :o
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 09:19:13 PM
Haven't you heard? If you're not from Belfast, you're a culchie. And if you wear a GAA jersey by-God you vote Sinn Fein. A bit off-topic here but I can't stand this attitude some Belfast people have that the world revolves around their city!  >:(

Not what I was trying to imply at all. In Dublin people call me a culchie for being from Belfast so I'm well aware of the big bad world outside Belfast.

Doire, if you're asking me if I knew someone from West Belfast wearing a Crossmaglen top, yes I would 100% believe that it's reasonable to believe Sinn Fein would be their party of choice, if that particular person voted at all.

I never knew a Gaa top was a political statement!

Where did I say it was?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 09:20:19 PM
Haven't you heard? If you're not from Belfast, you're a culchie. And if you wear a GAA jersey by-God you vote Sinn Fein. A bit off-topic here but I can't stand this attitude some Belfast people have that the world revolves around their city!  >:(

Not what I was trying to imply at all. In Dublin people call me a culchie for being from Belfast so I'm well aware of the big bad world outside Belfast.

Doire, if you're asking me if I knew someone from West Belfast wearing a Crossmaglen top, yes I would 100% believe that it's reasonable to believe Sinn Fein would be their party of choice, if that particular person voted at all.

I never knew a Gaa top was a political statement!

Me either. The things you learn on this board eh  :o

You're yet to attempt to explain your pseudo-republican snobbery towards solicitors and doctors.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2010, 09:21:09 PM
I know threads go a bit of topic here but this is pretty left field.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on November 08, 2010, 09:23:56 PM
Was Margaret trying to fly away like a wee birdie at the end of the SDLP report on UTV?

http://www.u.tv/utvplayer/video/133454/108848 (http://www.u.tv/utvplayer/video/133454/108848)

Go to 2:00.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 09:24:44 PM
I know threads go a bit of topic here but this is pretty left field.

True, but I'm a stubborn b**tard.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 08, 2010, 09:28:51 PM
I know threads go a bit of topic here but this is pretty left field.

True, but I'm a stubborn b**tard.
With quite an ego.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on November 08, 2010, 09:29:29 PM
I know threads go a bit of topic here but this is pretty left field.

True, but I'm a stubborn b**tard.
With quite an ego.

Oi!!!  >:(
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: The Worker on November 08, 2010, 09:30:16 PM
I know threads go a bit of topic here but this is pretty left field.

True, but I'm a stubborn b**tard.
With quite an ego.

Who thinks if you are from West Belfast and you wear a Cross top you either vote SF or dont vote at all!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 09:33:25 PM
I know threads go a bit of topic here but this is pretty left field.

True, but I'm a stubborn b**tard.
With quite an ego.

Who thinks if you are from West Belfast and you wear a Cross top you either vote SF or dont vote at all!

That's it, put words in my mouth. What I pointed out was an indicator, based on likelihood and probability, nothing more.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 09:33:47 PM
I know threads go a bit of topic here but this is pretty left field.

True, but I'm a stubborn b**tard.
With quite an ego.

About a tenth the size of yours.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 08, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
Haven't you heard? If you're not from Belfast, you're a culchie. And if you wear a GAA jersey by-God you vote Sinn Fein. A bit off-topic here but I can't stand this attitude some Belfast people have that the world revolves around their city!  >:(

Not what I was trying to imply at all. In Dublin people call me a culchie for being from Belfast so I'm well aware of the big bad world outside Belfast.

Doire, if you're asking me if I knew someone from West Belfast wearing a Crossmaglen top, yes I would 100% believe that it's reasonable to believe Sinn Fein would be their party of choice, if that particular person voted at all.

I never knew a Gaa top was a political statement!

Me either. The things you learn on this board eh  :o

You're yet to attempt to explain your pseudo-republican snobbery towards solicitors and doctors.

Snobbery towards doctors & solicitors? :D Right! You obviously missed my explanation.

I think the only snob here is your good self through your attitude in last few pages of posts, which could be summed up as "I'm right. If you don't agree with me, it doesn't matter because you are all wrong anyway. I'm much too qualified to speak on these matters to be bothered discussing these things with any of you properly".

In fact, here are a few of the Gallsman snobbery quotes at their finest:

- "I'm reinforcing the point that my insight is a lot greater than yours"

- "I'd have a lot more insight into that demographic's mindset so am slightly more qualified to comment."

- "Believe what you want, I actually don't give a shit."

- [I know] "A lot more [about the voting habits of GAA jersey wearers in universities] than you do, yes."

- "What exactly do you know of Trinity?"
 
- "I believe I'm slightly better qualified than Pints to comment on such matters....Whether or not he or you dispute this is irrelevant."

:D :D :D And I'M a snob!!?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 10:01:09 PM
How is that snobbery in any way?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: andoireabu on November 08, 2010, 10:05:46 PM
Haven't you heard? If you're not from Belfast, you're a culchie. And if you wear a GAA jersey by-God you vote Sinn Fein. A bit off-topic here but I can't stand this attitude some Belfast people have that the world revolves around their city!  >:(

Not what I was trying to imply at all. In Dublin people call me a culchie for being from Belfast so I'm well aware of the big bad world outside Belfast.

Doire, if you're asking me if I knew someone from West Belfast wearing a Crossmaglen top, yes I would 100% believe that it's reasonable to believe Sinn Fein would be their party of choice, if that particular person voted at all.
So you judge people you have never met simply by the clothes they randomly pick out that day and make calls on what they might or might not do and you don't think that snobbish? If a person wearing a jersey is representitive of a demographic then i hope you are not a representation of people who went to trinity with the stuff you have written on this thread.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 10:11:51 PM
Judge? Where did I say anything about judging them? In order to judge them I'd have to make some sort of objective decision about that particular person. I simply pointed to the jersey representing an increased likelihood.

If I see a fella walking down the street in Belfast wearing a Rangers top I automatically assume he's a prod. Anyone on the board who says they don't is talking through their holes.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Hurler on the Bitch on November 08, 2010, 10:13:39 PM
Ref: UTV Live - The unelected Cooonnaalll and his "shared 'Northern Ireland'" sounds like the Alliance Party about 15 years ago; the joke about McGuinness and Robinson is straight out of the Two Ronnies cliche book, the lack of radicalism or relevancy was evident for all to see. Waiting on 'Simply the Best' belting out as yer woman did the Birdie Song at the end. Heaven save us from the People's Front of the Malone Road! Watch out for a Ulster Unionist / Alliance / SDLP coalition ticket at some stage.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 08, 2010, 10:47:53 PM
Judge? Where did I say anything about judging them? In order to judge them I'd have to make some sort of objective decision about that particular person. I simply pointed to the jersey representing an increased likelihood.

If I see a fella walking down the street in Belfast wearing a Rangers top I automatically assume he's a prod. Anyone on the board who says they don't is talking through their holes.
but you wouldnt start assuming that he was a UUP voter or DUP voter etc, or maybe you would.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 10:59:26 PM
Judge? Where did I say anything about judging them? In order to judge them I'd have to make some sort of objective decision about that particular person. I simply pointed to the jersey representing an increased likelihood.

If I see a fella walking down the street in Belfast wearing a Rangers top I automatically assume he's a prod. Anyone on the board who says they don't is talking through their holes.
but you wouldnt start assuming that he was a UUP voter or DUP voter etc, or maybe you would.

No I wouldn't but then again, I'd have nothing else to go on. Which isn't the case for the example above, is it?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 08, 2010, 11:04:56 PM
I dont understand that.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 11:25:01 PM
The read again more carefully, it makes perfect sense.

Considering some of the accusations on this thread pints I've been looking for this gem of yours from quite a while back. Do you remember a discussion about Steve Redgrave potentially being one of the greatest sportsmen of all time? When you started to lose your way and got shouted down your response was:

Quote
I see no point in discussing it further with you, it's my opinion, get over it.

At the very least I've tried to explain my point of view and the experiences I've based it on. You offer nothing.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 11:30:13 PM
Also Pints, we've done this before several times and we'll no doubt do it again. We both know neither is going to suddenly accept the other's arguement as legitimate.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 08, 2010, 11:35:07 PM
The read again more carefully, it makes perfect sense.

Considering some of the accusations on this thread pints I've been looking for this gem of yours from quite a while back. Do you remember a discussion about Steve Redgrave potentially being one of the greatest sportsmen of all time? When you started to lose your way and got shouted down your response was:

Quote
I see no point in discussing it further with you, it's my opinion, get over it.

At the very least I've tried to explain my point of view and the experiences I've based it on. You offer nothing.
No, post the thread.

I'd safely assume though that I wasn't pigeon holing people in to voting patterns based on the "country gaa jersies" they were wearing (when I first seen that I thought you mistyped and meant county gaa jersies )
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 11:37:53 PM
I see no point in discussing it further with you, it's my opinion, get over it.

Pigeon-holing? Like the majority of night-time cinema-goers being dicks?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 08, 2010, 11:38:43 PM
I see no point in discussing it further with you, it's my opinion, get over it.

Pigeon-holing? Like the majority of night-time cinema-goers being dicks?
They are, have you ever been at the cinema at night.  Though I have no idea who they vote for.

Are you going to post that thread...
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 11:43:10 PM
Click the link, it takes you right to the thread.

I presume the last bit was meant to be tongue-in-cheek so I won't bite.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 08, 2010, 11:48:18 PM
Am I missing something? There's no link?

Have you got a link to the thread where you said you had an ego?  :D
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 11:52:07 PM
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I see no point in discussing it further with you, it's my opinion, get over it.

Pigeon-holing? Like the majority of night-time cinema-goers being dicks?

That's a link. Your welcome for the free lesson - I know you old farts struggle with technology sometimes.

I don't have a link to that thread, but if you find it maybe you can read it again to see how much of a piss take it was. If I recall it started when I criticised the likes of ross4life for spending all their time on the Hot Ladies thread. Again if I recall correctly, which i do, you stated that you agreed with me :D
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 08, 2010, 11:56:22 PM
Um, that's a quote.  A link is something you click on to bring you to a page i.e. the thread where I said that. 
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 08, 2010, 11:57:18 PM
Um, that's a quote.  A link is something you click on to bring you to a page i.e. the thread where I said that.

See where it says
Quote
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 20, 2009, 02:29:24 PM
and it's underlined? Click that.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 09, 2010, 12:05:09 AM
Oh yeah, I remember that thread. You were acting a snob in it too and I wasn't so keen on continuing the discussion with you when you called me a bigot due to my views on rowing  ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2010, 12:05:57 AM
Oh yeah, I remember that thread. You were acting a snob in it too and I wasn't so keen on continuing the discussion with you when you called me a bigot due to my views on rowing  ::)

No, the bigot comment had nothing to do with your views on rowing, just your personality in general
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 09, 2010, 12:11:19 AM
Oh yeah, I remember that thread. You were acting a snob in it too and I wasn't so keen on continuing the discussion with you when you called me a bigot due to my views on rowing  ::)

No, the bigot comment had nothing to do with your views on rowing, just your personality in general
And there you go again, you know everything about everything and everyone, even me  :D

I'm not sure what word use to describe you - you've the Trinity education, what would a big word me for "an oul know-it-all".
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ross4life on November 09, 2010, 12:11:56 AM
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I see no point in discussing it further with you, it's my opinion, get over it.

Pigeon-holing? Like the majority of night-time cinema-goers being dicks?

That's a link. Your welcome for the free lesson - I know you old farts struggle with technology sometimes.

I don't have a link to that thread, but if you find it maybe you can read it again to see how much of a piss take it was. If I recall it started when I criticised the likes of ross4life for spending all their time on the Hot Ladies thread. Again if I recall correctly, which i do, you stated that you agreed with me :D

Totally untrue! Connacht GAA,Roscommon & Man Utd threads is where i spend all my time

Sorry for going off topic, you just had to include me  :-[ BTW  I'm enjoying this debate riveting stuff
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2010, 12:48:32 AM
Oh yeah, I remember that thread. You were acting a snob in it too and I wasn't so keen on continuing the discussion with you when you called me a bigot due to my views on rowing  ::)

No, the bigot comment had nothing to do with your views on rowing, just your personality in general
And there you go again, you know everything about everything and everyone, even me  :D

I'm not sure what word use to describe you - you've the Trinity education, what would a big word me for "an oul know-it-all".

Another to ignore the fact that I also went to DCU. I find this fixation with Trinity hilarious - I'm not the one who keeps mentioning it.

I'd love someone to try and explain these accusations of snobbery. I've stated my belief of the likelihood of a certain demographic to be Sinn Fein supporters -  how is that snobbish or prejudiced in any way? In order for it to be so I would have to condemn being a Sinn Fein supporter as some form of inferiority. I happily challenge you all to point out where exactly this occurred.

Then again, I did go to Trinity so am obviously immediately intellectually superior to the lot of you and so am actually capable of understanding the meaning of the word "snob"  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: ziggysego on November 09, 2010, 01:03:46 AM
The sexual tension in here is palpable.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Banana Man on November 09, 2010, 09:02:27 AM
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Yes, that's what I said.

I offered up evidence of why I believe I'm qualified to comment on such matters. What have you offered?

I'm still waiting to find out what you know of Trinity and DCU.

I don't know why you are waiting to find out what I know, I would tell you, you would disagree, tell me that I don't know what I claim too and then decide that you were correct thus rendering all previous dialogue void and a waste of time  ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 09:53:31 AM
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Yes, that's what I said.

I offered up evidence of why I believe I'm qualified to comment on such matters. What have you offered?

I'm still waiting to find out what you know of Trinity and DCU.

I don't know why you are waiting to find out what I know, I would tell you, you would disagree, tell me that I don't know what I claim too and then decide that you were correct thus rendering all previous dialogue void and a waste of time  ::)
:D
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 10:05:07 AM
Oh yeah, I remember that thread. You were acting a snob in it too and I wasn't so keen on continuing the discussion with you when you called me a bigot due to my views on rowing  ::)

No, the bigot comment had nothing to do with your views on rowing, just your personality in general
And there you go again, you know everything about everything and everyone, even me  :D

I'm not sure what word use to describe you - you've the Trinity education, what would a big word me for "an oul know-it-all".

Another to ignore the fact that I also went to DCU. I find this fixation with Trinity hilarious - I'm not the one who keeps mentioning it.

I'd love someone to try and explain these accusations of snobbery. I've stated my belief of the likelihood of a certain demographic to be Sinn Fein supporters -  how is that snobbish or prejudiced in any way? In order for it to be so I would have to condemn being a Sinn Fein supporter as some form of inferiority. I happily challenge you all to point out where exactly this occurred.

Then again, I did go to Trinity so am obviously immediately intellectually superior to the lot of you and so am actually capable of understanding the meaning of the word "snob"  ::) ::) ::)

Ehhh - already did, I'll not go through it all again but he's a couple of examples

- "I'm reinforcing the point that my insight is a lot greater than yours"
 
- "I believe I'm slightly better qualified than Pints to comment on such matters....Whether or not he or you dispute this is irrelevant."

Hopefully you will now realise that passing comment on who you assume people vote for due to their clothes isn't the only way you can be a snob. Quotes like those above and others I posted a page or two back should give plenty proof of that.

Glad to be of help.

(However I do expect that, despite what you said, you really wouldn't have loved to have had it pointed out to you; as no doubt you will blindly ignore all the proof of your snobbery, claiming it wasn't proof of snobbery at all.)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Hedley Lamarr on November 09, 2010, 10:14:52 AM

Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 09, 2010, 10:25:13 AM
Oh yeah, I remember that thread. You were acting a snob in it too and I wasn't so keen on continuing the discussion with you when you called me a bigot due to my views on rowing  ::)

No, the bigot comment had nothing to do with your views on rowing, just your personality in general
And there you go again, you know everything about everything and everyone, even me  :D

I'm not sure what word use to describe you - you've the Trinity education, what would a big word me for "an oul know-it-all".

Another to ignore the fact that I also went to DCU. I find this fixation with Trinity hilarious - I'm not the one who keeps mentioning it.

I'd love someone to try and explain these accusations of snobbery. I've stated my belief of the likelihood of a certain demographic to be Sinn Fein supporters -  how is that snobbish or prejudiced in any way? In order for it to be so I would have to condemn being a Sinn Fein supporter as some form of inferiority. I happily challenge you all to point out where exactly this occurred.

Then again, I did go to Trinity so am obviously immediately intellectually superior to the lot of you and so am actually capable of understanding the meaning of the word "snob"  ::) ::) ::)

Ehhh - already did, I'll not go through it all again but he's a couple of examples

- "I'm reinforcing the point that my insight is a lot greater than yours"
 
- "I believe I'm slightly better qualified than Pints to comment on such matters....Whether or not he or you dispute this is irrelevant."

Hopefully you will now realise that passing comment on who you assume people vote for due to their clothes isn't the only way you can be a snob. Quotes like those above and others I posted a page or two back should give plenty proof of that.

Glad to be of help.

(However I do expect that, despite what you said, you really wouldn't have loved to have had it pointed out to you; as no doubt you will blindly ignore all the proof of your snobbery, claiming it wasn't proof of snobbery at all.)

Those quotes probably better describe arrogance than snobbery.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Oh yeah, I remember that thread. You were acting a snob in it too and I wasn't so keen on continuing the discussion with you when you called me a bigot due to my views on rowing  ::)

No, the bigot comment had nothing to do with your views on rowing, just your personality in general
And there you go again, you know everything about everything and everyone, even me  :D

I'm not sure what word use to describe you - you've the Trinity education, what would a big word me for "an oul know-it-all".

Another to ignore the fact that I also went to DCU. I find this fixation with Trinity hilarious - I'm not the one who keeps mentioning it.

I'd love someone to try and explain these accusations of snobbery. I've stated my belief of the likelihood of a certain demographic to be Sinn Fein supporters -  how is that snobbish or prejudiced in any way? In order for it to be so I would have to condemn being a Sinn Fein supporter as some form of inferiority. I happily challenge you all to point out where exactly this occurred.

Then again, I did go to Trinity so am obviously immediately intellectually superior to the lot of you and so am actually capable of understanding the meaning of the word "snob"  ::) ::) ::)

Ehhh - already did, I'll not go through it all again but he's a couple of examples

- "I'm reinforcing the point that my insight is a lot greater than yours"
 
- "I believe I'm slightly better qualified than Pints to comment on such matters....Whether or not he or you dispute this is irrelevant."

Hopefully you will now realise that passing comment on who you assume people vote for due to their clothes isn't the only way you can be a snob. Quotes like those above and others I posted a page or two back should give plenty proof of that.

Glad to be of help.

(However I do expect that, despite what you said, you really wouldn't have loved to have had it pointed out to you; as no doubt you will blindly ignore all the proof of your snobbery, claiming it wasn't proof of snobbery at all.)

Those quotes probably better describe arrogance than snobbery.

I suppose an argument could be made for both alright!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2010, 10:39:36 AM
That's it, someone points out where you're wrong and you try to make it appear as if they were supporting you.

TAM - When posted like so, with selctive quoting, yes it can appear arrogant. However, when all posts are read in context it is quite clear that I stated my opinion, and then stated the reasons I believe entitle me to have that opinion. Is that arrogant?

What I would consider far more arrogant is a bunch of clowns attempting to shout me down and complaining about this and that, offerinf no evidence to support their claims and dismissing my opinion because, you know, I went to Trinity.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 10:47:31 AM
That's it, someone points out where you're wrong and you try to make it appear as if they were supporting you.

TAM - When posted like so, with selctive quoting, yes it can appear arrogant. However, when all posts are read in context it is quite clear that I stated my opinion, and then stated the reasons I believe entitle me to have that opinion. Is that arrogant?

What I would consider far more arrogant is a bunch of clowns attempting to shout me down and complaining about this and that, offerinf no evidence to support their claims and dismissing my opinion because, you know, I went to Trinity.

What EVIDENCE have you presented? All I have heard from you is that you have some friends who study law, therefor you believe that most law students who wear GAA jerseys support SF.

That is NOT "evidence". Why criticise people for not having any evidence with which to counter your opinion, when that opinion is one that you yourself cannot back up with any single solitary shred of evidence?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2010, 11:16:53 AM
That's it, someone points out where you're wrong and you try to make it appear as if they were supporting you.

TAM - When posted like so, with selctive quoting, yes it can appear arrogant. However, when all posts are read in context it is quite clear that I stated my opinion, and then stated the reasons I believe entitle me to have that opinion. Is that arrogant?

What I would consider far more arrogant is a bunch of clowns attempting to shout me down and complaining about this and that, offerinf no evidence to support their claims and dismissing my opinion because, you know, I went to Trinity.

What EVIDENCE have you presented? All I have heard from you is that you have some friends who study law, therefor you believe that most law students who wear GAA jerseys support SF.

That is NOT "evidence". Why criticise people for not having any evidence with which to counter your opinion, when that opinion is one that you yourself cannot back up with any single solitary shred of evidence?

It's evidence of my insight you clown, which is what I've been talking about from the beginning. From the outset I stated my belief that this was the case. No matter what way you or anyone else tries to spin it, I did not come out and say I don't give a shit about anyone else's opinion on the matter becaus mine had to be right - what I stated was that I didn't give a shit about anyone's opinion of my qualification to state that belief seeing as nobody had attempted to offer any valid reason for why my insights might be invalid.

First of all, I come from the generation under discussion - Pints does not. I'd wager that you do as well, but are unwilling to admit it. I pray to God you're no older than me or I'll abandon my faith in humanity.

Secondly, I have MANY friends who study both law and medicine and have done over the last five or six years. These people come from all corners of this island, but are primarily from the six counties.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 11:41:50 AM
That's it, someone points out where you're wrong and you try to make it appear as if they were supporting you.

TAM - When posted like so, with selctive quoting, yes it can appear arrogant. However, when all posts are read in context it is quite clear that I stated my opinion, and then stated the reasons I believe entitle me to have that opinion. Is that arrogant?

What I would consider far more arrogant is a bunch of clowns attempting to shout me down and complaining about this and that, offerinf no evidence to support their claims and dismissing my opinion because, you know, I went to Trinity.

What EVIDENCE have you presented? All I have heard from you is that you have some friends who study law, therefor you believe that most law students who wear GAA jerseys support SF.

That is NOT "evidence". Why criticise people for not having any evidence with which to counter your opinion, when that opinion is one that you yourself cannot back up with any single solitary shred of evidence?

It's evidence of my insight you clown, which is what I've been talking about from the beginning. From the outset I stated my belief that this was the case. No matter what way you or anyone else tries to spin it, I did not come out and say I don't give a shit about anyone else's opinion on the matter becaus mine had to be right - what I stated was that I didn't give a shit about anyone's opinion of my qualification to state that belief seeing as nobody had attempted to offer any valid reason for why my insights might be invalid.

First of all, I come from the generation under discussion - Pints does not. I'd wager that you do as well, but are unwilling to admit it. I pray to God you're no older than me or I'll abandon my faith in humanity.

Secondly, I have MANY friends who study both law and medicine and have done over the last five or six years. These people come from all corners of this island, but are primarily from the six counties.

I have insight of students in law who wear GAA jerseys (and in medicine since you bring it up) who unfortunately wouldn't vote SF in a fit. So we both have "evidence" which contradicts each other. Well well well where do we go from here? Both of us have rock solid evidence which point to different conclusions  :o !!

I assume you didn't do law? I'm guessing you didn't simply because if you did, you would have a firmer grasp of the idea of evidence.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2010, 11:52:02 AM
I have insight of students in law who wear GAA jerseys (and in medicine since you bring it up) who unfortunately wouldn't vote SF in a fit. So we both have "evidence" which contradicts each other. Well well well where do we go from here? Both of us have rock solid evidence which point to different conclusions  :o !!

I assume you didn't do law? I'm guessing you didn't simply because if you did, you would have a firmer grasp of the idea of evidence.

Congratulations! You've finally grasped the point. Thank you for finally explaining your insight, something you'dfailed to do so far. Your opinion is perfectly valid (becuase you've offered something to back it up) - that doesn't make mine invalid though, does it??
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 01:26:04 PM
I also am being sarcastic when I refer to my friends' views as "evidence". It is not "evidence". It is still a plain old generalisation with no scientific or credible basis on which to prove it's accuracy. Like your generalisation.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2010, 02:12:24 PM
I also am being sarcastic when I refer to my friends' views as "evidence". It is not "evidence". It is still a plain old generalisation with no scientific or credible basis on which to prove it's accuracy. Like your generalisation.

Bullshit, you're on the run again.

Poor choice of words, perhaps - you probably think of it as a compliment.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 02:16:26 PM
If you say so.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Banana Man on November 09, 2010, 02:30:45 PM
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Quote from: Nally Stand on Today at 01:26:04 PM
I also am being sarcastic when I refer to my friends' views as "evidence". It is not "evidence". It is still a plain old generalisation with no scientific or credible basis on which to prove it's accuracy. Like your generalisation.


Bullshit, you're on the run again.

Poor choice of words, perhaps - you probably think of it as a compliment.

So when Nally tells you what he is thinking (that he was being sarcastic) you refuse to believe and tell him what you perceive his thoughts to be, I didn't realise Trinity done a course on reading other people's thoughts or was that what you done in DCU?? Perhaps you are Dereck Acorah  :D

That's before I even consider your pathetic attempt at political satire
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
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Quote from: Nally Stand on Today at 01:26:04 PM
I also am being sarcastic when I refer to my friends' views as "evidence". It is not "evidence". It is still a plain old generalisation with no scientific or credible basis on which to prove it's accuracy. Like your generalisation.


Bullshit, you're on the run again.

Poor choice of words, perhaps - you probably think of it as a compliment.

So when Nally tells you what he is thinking (that he was being sarcastic) you refuse to believe and tell him what you perceive his thoughts to be, I didn't realise Trinity done a course on reading other people's thoughts or was that what you done in DCU?? Perhaps you are Dereck Acorah  :D

That's before I even consider your pathetic attempt at political satire

Satire? Where? I was being completely serious.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Arthur_Friend on November 09, 2010, 03:58:29 PM
Oh yeah, I remember that thread. You were acting a snob in it too and I wasn't so keen on continuing the discussion with you when you called me a bigot due to my views on rowing  ::)

No, the bigot comment had nothing to do with your views on rowing, just your personality in general
And there you go again, you know everything about everything and everyone, even me  :D

I'm not sure what word use to describe you - you've the Trinity education, what would a big word me for "an oul know-it-all".

Another to ignore the fact that I also went to DCU. I find this fixation with Trinity hilarious - I'm not the one who keeps mentioning it.

I'd love someone to try and explain these accusations of snobbery. I've stated my belief of the likelihood of a certain demographic to be Sinn Fein supporters -  how is that snobbish or prejudiced in any way? In order for it to be so I would have to condemn being a Sinn Fein supporter as some form of inferiority. I happily challenge you all to point out where exactly this occurred.

Then again, I did go to Trinity so am obviously immediately intellectually superior to the lot of you and so am actually capable of understanding the meaning of the word "snob"  ::) ::) ::)

Prejudice does not necessarily have to be negative, it is merely a preconceived judgement or opinion.

Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 09, 2010, 06:34:27 PM
That's it, someone points out where you're wrong and you try to make it appear as if they were supporting you.

TAM - When posted like so, with selctive quoting, yes it can appear arrogant. However, when all posts are read in context it is quite clear that I stated my opinion, and then stated the reasons I believe entitle me to have that opinion. Is that arrogant?

What I would consider far more arrogant is a bunch of clowns attempting to shout me down and complaining about this and that, offerinf no evidence to support their claims and dismissing my opinion because, you know, I went to Trinity.

What EVIDENCE have you presented? All I have heard from you is that you have some friends who study law, therefor you believe that most law students who wear GAA jerseys support SF.

That is NOT "evidence". Why criticise people for not having any evidence with which to counter your opinion, when that opinion is one that you yourself cannot back up with any single solitary shred of evidence?
Well it is evidence. It's probably anecdotal evidence and you can argue over the quality / reliability of it, but it is evidence.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Nally Stand on November 09, 2010, 07:13:42 PM
That's it, someone points out where you're wrong and you try to make it appear as if they were supporting you.

TAM - When posted like so, with selctive quoting, yes it can appear arrogant. However, when all posts are read in context it is quite clear that I stated my opinion, and then stated the reasons I believe entitle me to have that opinion. Is that arrogant?

What I would consider far more arrogant is a bunch of clowns attempting to shout me down and complaining about this and that, offerinf no evidence to support their claims and dismissing my opinion because, you know, I went to Trinity.

What EVIDENCE have you presented? All I have heard from you is that you have some friends who study law, therefor you believe that most law students who wear GAA jerseys support SF.

That is NOT "evidence". Why criticise people for not having any evidence with which to counter your opinion, when that opinion is one that you yourself cannot back up with any single solitary shred of evidence?
Well it is evidence. It's probably anecdotal evidence and you can argue over the quality / reliability of it, but it is evidence.
:D :D Honestly Maguire01, I don't know if you are Gallsmans cheerleader or my stalker!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Maguire01 on November 09, 2010, 07:23:42 PM
That's it, someone points out where you're wrong and you try to make it appear as if they were supporting you.

TAM - When posted like so, with selctive quoting, yes it can appear arrogant. However, when all posts are read in context it is quite clear that I stated my opinion, and then stated the reasons I believe entitle me to have that opinion. Is that arrogant?

What I would consider far more arrogant is a bunch of clowns attempting to shout me down and complaining about this and that, offerinf no evidence to support their claims and dismissing my opinion because, you know, I went to Trinity.

What EVIDENCE have you presented? All I have heard from you is that you have some friends who study law, therefor you believe that most law students who wear GAA jerseys support SF.

That is NOT "evidence". Why criticise people for not having any evidence with which to counter your opinion, when that opinion is one that you yourself cannot back up with any single solitary shred of evidence?
Well it is evidence. It's probably anecdotal evidence and you can argue over the quality / reliability of it, but it is evidence.
:D :D Honestly Maguire01, I don't know if you are Gallsmans cheerleader or my stalker!
Hilarious i'm sure.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Hereiam on January 24, 2019, 09:29:44 PM
What are the SDLP doing. I fear this is the end of this party pairing up with that Finna fail crowd.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: playwiththewind1st on January 24, 2019, 09:36:31 PM
The fact that nobody on here has posted a thing about the SDLP since 2010 sort of sums the whole thing up.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Hereiam on January 24, 2019, 10:01:58 PM
I suppose. My gripe with the SDLP is that they take every opportunity to make a swipe at SF. If you look at the UUP and the DUP you don't see this happening. You could say that the unionist have agreed to show a strong front where as our side look to make fools of each other.
Has any UUP member spoke out against what Paisley jr has been up to or the path the DUP is taking with brexit, very few.
I suppose the OO is keeping the thing together on a united front.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: omaghjoe on January 24, 2019, 10:43:44 PM
Just reading back over this thread and had a good oul laugh.

Seems like some lads were arguing about nawhin years ago still have to be arguing about nawhin
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on January 25, 2019, 06:23:19 AM
It's a last throw of the dice. SDLP has failed to make itself relevant in recent times. Perhaps this can bring a normality to their politics. Time will tell if that can help to regain the middle ground from SF.

 
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: naka on January 25, 2019, 09:24:06 AM
It's a last throw of the dice. SDLP has failed to make itself relevant in recent times. Perhaps this can bring a normality to their politics. Time will tell if that can help to regain the middle ground from SF.
Trailer agree with the point on relevancy  and last throw of the dice for the sdlp but regards middle ground would you not think that in the main the middle ground have opted out and it’s for the sdlp to reach out to those nationalists who want the United ireland eventually but want education health  Brexit etc dealt with immediately.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: imtommygunn on January 25, 2019, 09:29:15 AM
There's maybe some alliance in there too. I think parties like the greens (in south belfast anyway) get more than they used to as well but yeah I would say you're right in that a lot of the middle ground maybe don't vote any more and that would be half the reason we are in the mess we are in with those pricks the DUP supposedly representing us.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: johnnycool on January 25, 2019, 09:50:31 AM
There's maybe some alliance in there too. I think parties like the greens (in south belfast anyway) get more than they used to as well but yeah I would say you're right in that a lot of the middle ground maybe don't vote any more and that would be half the reason we are in the mess we are in with those pricks the DUP supposedly representing us.

In the likes of South Belfast, do you think pairing up with FF will do more harm than good?

Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on January 25, 2019, 09:51:35 AM
The SDLP are being whacked from both sides. Firstly there has been a big drift to SF a) because SF became more acceptable post GFA and b) as a response to the ever more entrenched unionist electorate backing the DUP and their antics.
Secondly the Alliance party, since overly unionist Allardice left as leader they have become a lot more neutral as opposed to previously pro UK. A move which has resulted in them getting a number of pale green votes from previous SDLP voters. Recent research shows Alliance draw the majority of their votes from the catholic community background something confirmed at the the last euro election when the transfers were broken down.
Nationalism needs a second all Ireland party. If pbp or the green party had any wit about them they could have really exploited the SDLP's perilous position but instead they continue to dance around the constitutional question. This SDLP/FF arrangement is underwhelming. It makes a mockery of FF's promise to contest elections in 2019 some 5 yrs ago. Its also a problem for SDLP who have a green and red wing. Its a risk I think is worth taking though to stop the rot. The Irish labour party are at rock bottom and offer nothing so that really just left FF as a possible partner. The big loss in all this will be Clare Hanna who is one of the more capable politicians and probably had their best chance of winning back a Westminster seat as she would have got a broad coalition of votes to beat pengelly something MacDonnell used to have until people realised he was a bit of a bollox
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: seafoid on January 25, 2019, 11:16:42 AM
The SDLP are being whacked from both sides. Firstly there has been a big drift to SF a) because SF became more acceptable post GFA and b) as a response to the ever more entrenched unionist electorate backing the DUP and their antics.
Secondly the Alliance party, since overly unionist Allardice left as leader they have become a lot more neutral as opposed to previously pro UK. A move which has resulted in them getting a number of pale green votes from previous SDLP voters. Recent research shows Alliance draw the majority of their votes from the catholic community background something confirmed at the the last euro election when the transfers were broken down.
Nationalism needs a second all Ireland party. If pbp or the green party had any wit about them they could have really exploited the SDLP's perilous position but instead they continue to dance around the constitutional question. This SDLP/FF arrangement is underwhelming. It makes a mockery of FF's promise to contest elections in 2019 some 5 yrs ago. Its also a problem for SDLP who have a green and red wing. Its a risk I think is worth taking though to stop the rot. The Irish labour party are at rock bottom and offer nothing so that really just left FF as a possible partner. The big loss in all this will be Clare Hanna who is one of the more capable politicians and probably had their best chance of winning back a Westminster seat as she would have got a broad coalition of votes to beat pengelly something MacDonnell used to have until people realised he was a bit of a bollox

The thing about a UI is that the North will be subsumed into the South
SF is now a Dublin party.  O'Neill is only deputy leader

The North needs a party to fight its corner in a UI 

But  it would be a much nicer problem to have than a hard border
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: snoopdog on January 25, 2019, 11:27:30 AM
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides. 
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Walter Cronc on January 25, 2019, 11:29:13 AM
Agree here - have lost major respect for SF at a very local level over the past year!

Apart from John Finucane - not many if any inspire me.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on January 25, 2019, 01:09:29 PM
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides.

Interesting that there's a lot of support for Claire Hanna, who wouldn't be a huge advocate for a UI. Claire would also be on the very left of the party.

Agree the whole link up is a bit underwhelming but get the impression that both parties have left room to reverse out of the link-up should it tank.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: haranguerer on January 25, 2019, 02:54:05 PM
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides.

Can you explain that?

My reading of the current scenario is that SF made concessions and came to a deal with the DUP, which was then veto'ed by 'shadowy forces' behind the DUP. What would you have SF do? The ball clearly isn't in their court - they don't even have anyone to negotiate with, as the DUP don't appear to have any power to agree a deal!!
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: bigarsedkeeper on January 25, 2019, 04:29:24 PM
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides.
I think the SDLP still have a few decent politicians out there but the damage done by the years of Dr Death (McDonnell) and Ritchie leaves them way back. Hanna is one and I don't think Eastwood is that bad. They have made out to be west brits by SF now and the fact that they were seen to have delivered nothing in the years they had the majority has left them on the outside.

Will SF be accused of the same in future years - Stormont as good as closed down for the foreseeable future with the Brexit issues and there is a genuine threat of a border in Ireland again. SF didn't cause that but they were in the front seat during it.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: marty34 on January 25, 2019, 06:39:13 PM
I would have voted SF in the past. But they have done nothing for anyone in the last few years.
If The SDLP had Claire Hanna as a leader then they may well start to make gains. Joining with FF i think is not the answer.
Sf sit back while health education etc is collapsing around them all just to get one over the DUP. Its fine for mary lou she has no family in the North. I live in Dublin now but i see with elderly parents what the outcome of this sf dup stand off is. Its time for a change from both sides.

Can you explain that?

My reading of the current scenario is that SF made concessions and came to a deal with the DUP, which was then veto'ed by 'shadowy forces' behind the DUP. What would you have SF do? The ball clearly isn't in their court - they don't even have anyone to negotiate with, as the DUP don't appear to have any power to agree a deal!!

Mc Guinness tried very hard to make things work - for the betterment of everyone, regardless of who they were or where they lived.  The DUP did everything in their power to walk all over nationalists.  The list is endless. Was so happy when Mc Guinness pulled the pin on Stormont to be honest.  There was no power sharing at that time.  The DUP still have the 1920 mentalitybut times have changed.  No return to Stormont for me.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Seany on January 26, 2019, 11:41:50 AM
Heard Colm Eastwood on Radio Ulster yesterday morning saying he is ready to go into Stormont and get the institutions up and running again. Interesting perspective there. I wonder which of the important basic, reasonable measures that SF are looking for would the SDLP relinquish for that goal?  Irish Language act? Marriage Equality? SF voters gave the party a very clear message that the policy of appeasing the DUP and giving them their way was not going to be tolerated any more. In fact, in the two elections during which time SF were in power with the DUP, the entire nationalist vote went down because they decided not to vote for either party. Colm Eastwood is totally out of touch if he thinks that the position of northern nationalists has changed one iota from that position. In fact, if anything, the Brexit thing has probably entrenched us even more. The DUP went against the advice of all the other parties in NI, the entire business community and every analysis from normal rational people and voted against the Backstop which would have been a genuine financial dynamo for this unworkable entity of NO, but they turned against it, despite knowing a majority here voted to Remain. None of this is evidence of new, reasonable thinking within that party which would make them amenable to nationalist aspirations if Stormont were to return. In fact, every time you watch their interviews, it just entrenches us even more. Colm Eastwood stating he is prepared to walk into Stormont with them without stating under which conditions, is further evidence of his waffle type answers and why the SDLP is dead in the water.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Kidder81 on January 26, 2019, 11:48:10 AM
SF were quite prepared to sacrifice ILA & marriage equality, if you remember correctly
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Seany on January 26, 2019, 11:51:26 AM
DOn’t think they were. there was a choreography agreed that would see both of these introduced in time through the ending of the petition of concern and the fact that the ILA is a Westminster piece of legislation.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Kidder81 on January 26, 2019, 12:28:05 PM
I don’t know anyone that thinks marriage equality is enough not to have a functioning government, SF know it isn’t too, they were content without marriage equality or an ILA for years, marriage equality is just yet another cause that SF aligned themselves with.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: haranguerer on January 26, 2019, 03:38:41 PM
Standard exchange

'SF should do whatever it takes to get back into government'

'well, they did make a lot of compromises to reach an agreement with the DUP, but it was then veto'ed by others, so the balls not really in their court'

'ha, SF obviously don't care about any of those issues they were going to compromise on'

'Well, they do, but they were willing to compromise like you said'

'...................none of those issues matter anyway'

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on January 27, 2019, 08:39:43 PM
SF do not care one iota for an ILA or marriage equality and if you think they do you’re a fool. This is about playing to the Felons club who have seen the DUP run rings around an inept SF leadership and have simply called time because the political ability doesn’t exist in the party to take on the DUP.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: imtommygunn on January 27, 2019, 09:52:18 PM
I am not a sf fan by any stretch but I really don’t think the dup have been running rings round them. All the dups “ducks” have lined up but they will come unstuck soon enough.

I would agree that I don’t think they care about an ila or marriage equality mind you. They probably are the right things to take them on at though.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: yellowcard on January 27, 2019, 11:27:27 PM
The only people the DUP have been running rings around are the people in the north whose livelihoods they are treating with complete contempt.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: RealSpiritof98 on February 09, 2019, 11:55:06 PM
MLA Claire Hanna seems to have deleted all SDLP mentions from social media, where next for what seems like a very competent politician?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Insane Bolt on February 10, 2019, 07:32:53 AM
MLA Claire Hanna seems to have deleted all SDLP mentions from social media, where next for what seems like a very competent politician?

Alliance Party.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 10, 2019, 08:49:14 AM
MLA Claire Hanna seems to have deleted all SDLP mentions from social media, where next for what seems like a very competent politician?

Alliance Party.

Alliance party would be extremely risky. They already have ex uup Bradshaw as an mla they wont get enough votes for 2 even with Hanna bringing some personal vote with her. Likewise an independent is risky for the same reasons. All academic since stormont isnt going to be up and running again anytime soon. I think Hanna made the mistake of being so vocal. Fair play to her for sticking to her principles but she has kind of cornered herself  she could have just said she wasnt happy and left it at that. It could be yrs if ever before sdlp candidates have to stand under FF banner.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on February 10, 2019, 10:09:03 AM
Continuity SDLP.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 10, 2019, 10:49:07 AM
MLA Claire Hanna seems to have deleted all SDLP mentions from social media, where next for what seems like a very competent politician?

Alliance Party.

She'll never join Alliance. She's a Social Democrat.

Be interesting to see how this plays out for the SDLP. Will the presence of prominent FF politicians on the campaign trail be enough to give them the polling boost they so badly need.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Owen Brannigan on February 10, 2019, 10:59:55 AM
MLA Claire Hanna seems to have deleted all SDLP mentions from social media, where next for what seems like a very competent politician?

Alliance Party.

Alliance party would be extremely risky. They already have ex uup Bradshaw as an mla they wont get enough votes for 2 even with Hanna bringing some personal vote with her. Likewise an independent is risky for the same reasons. All academic since stormont isnt going to be up and running again anytime soon. I think Hanna made the mistake of being so vocal. Fair play to her for sticking to her principles but she has kind of cornered herself  she could have just said she wasnt happy and left it at that. It could be yrs if ever before sdlp candidates have to stand under FF banner.

They may not be standing under a FF banner but as far as the voters are concerned it is now FF.

With PR voting there is always room for an independent, just look at the Dail. Hanna could easily form another party if she shows true left wing, social democratic credentials with a nationalist standpoint, what the SDLP should have become.  It might survive mostly in the east while Tobin makes in-road into the rural areas of the west. PR gives breathing space to multiple parties but Stormont denies them the power found in normal parliamentary systems.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 10, 2019, 11:18:59 AM
MLA Claire Hanna seems to have deleted all SDLP mentions from social media, where next for what seems like a very competent politician?

Alliance Party.

Alliance party would be extremely risky. They already have ex uup Bradshaw as an mla they wont get enough votes for 2 even with Hanna bringing some personal vote with her. Likewise an independent is risky for the same reasons. All academic since stormont isnt going to be up and running again anytime soon. I think Hanna made the mistake of being so vocal. Fair play to her for sticking to her principles but she has kind of cornered herself  she could have just said she wasnt happy and left it at that. It could be yrs if ever before sdlp candidates have to stand under FF banner.

They may not be standing under a FF banner but as far as the voters are concerned it is now FF.

With PR voting there is always room for an independent, just look at the Dail. Hanna could easily form another party if she shows true left wing, social democratic credentials with a nationalist standpoint, what the SDLP should have become.  It might survive mostly in the east while Tobin makes in-road into the rural areas of the west. PR gives breathing space to multiple parties but Stormont denies them the power found in normal parliamentary systems.

Tobin's party is a single issue party. Like most other single issue parties I can't see him making any in roads at all.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: pbat on February 10, 2019, 11:34:24 AM
Hanna should sit tight for a few years, she would be the ideal candidate for South Belfast as an independent get that sc**bag Pengelly out. If the Shinners do the right thing and stand aside for her.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 10, 2019, 11:47:57 AM
Hanna should sit tight for a few years, she would be the ideal candidate for South Belfast as an independent get that sc**bag Pengelly out. If the Shinners do the right thing and stand aside for her.

Pengelly is an excellent constituency MP, running around trying to make sure that the bus stops don't have bad words on them like "Short Strand".
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: imtommygunn on February 10, 2019, 11:53:10 AM
Ah good old Emma - uvf flags are not sectarian or intimidating to catholics, if you need new windows after the bonfires claim on your home insurance, we must change the name of this bus stop as it makes us sound like taigues - pengelly.

A wonderful mp she is too ;D
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 10, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
The sad thing is that the so-called "progressive" parties in South Belfast can't, or won't, unite around an agreed candidate to unseat her. Mind you, nor do I think that Hanna is the answer either inside, or outside, the SDLP. SF will probably never give anyone else a free run anyway, so it looks like we're stuck with a complete bigot.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Kidder81 on February 10, 2019, 12:53:30 PM
The sad thing is that the so-called "progressive" parties in South Belfast can't, or won't, unite around an agreed candidate to unseat her. Mind you, nor do I think that Hanna is the answer either inside, or outside, the SDLP. SF will probably never give anyone else a free run anyway, so it looks like we're stuck with a complete bigot.

Yeah the SF “free run” only seems to work one way with them, they would rather have a bigot like Pengelly than SDLP
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on February 10, 2019, 02:02:25 PM
Same old story.

Chat about reviving democratic institutions out of one side of our mouths and then playing electoral gains to keep themmuns out of South Belfast from the other. Absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 10, 2019, 02:08:02 PM
Same old story.

Chat about reviving democratic institutions out of one side of our mouths and then playing electoral gains to keep themmuns out of South Belfast from the other. Absolute nonsense.


The only nonsense is the constituency with the highest remain vote in NI is represented by a cnut.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on February 10, 2019, 02:13:27 PM
Same old story.

Chat about reviving democratic institutions out of one side of our mouths and then playing electoral gains to keep themmuns out of South Belfast from the other. Absolute nonsense.


The only nonsense is the constituency with the highest remain vote in NI is represented by a cnut.

The constituency is represented by the democratic winner on the basis of the electoral system in place. Whether she's a **** or not (she clearly is) is moot.

It's the 21st century. People talk of moving on and a brighter future and all that but are hypocritically blinded when it comes to the idea that electoral pacts are by definition anti democratic.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: playwiththewind1st on February 10, 2019, 07:08:20 PM
Next thing you'll be telling us is that the "democratic" in Democratic Unionist Party is a fair reflection of the views of that particular band of upstanding citizens....oh , apart from corruption, drink driving convictions among Councillors, sexual assault convictions, dodgy planning applications, package holidays galore, Ulster Resistance, RHI etc etc. Fit representatives of the people indeed.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 10, 2019, 07:13:33 PM
Same old story.

Chat about reviving democratic institutions out of one side of our mouths and then playing electoral gains to keep themmuns out of South Belfast from the other. Absolute nonsense.


The only nonsense is the constituency with the highest remain vote in NI is represented by a cnut.

The constituency is represented by the democratic winner on the basis of the electoral system in place. Whether she's a **** or not (she clearly is) is moot.

It's the 21st century. People talk of moving on and a brighter future and all that but are hypocritically blinded when it comes to the idea that electoral pacts are by definition anti democratic.

If the majority of Nationalists in South Belfast wanted a Nationalist MP they should've went out and voted Alasdair McDonnell. It's rather quite simple.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: gallsman on February 10, 2019, 07:57:10 PM
Some people, believe it or not, are capable of looking past the fact that McDonnell represents a supposedly nationalist party and voting with their conscience.

He is a thoroughly dislikeable f**ker altogether with plenty of skeletons in his closet. Voting for him just to keep out the DUP would have been reprehensible.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: LooseCannon on February 10, 2019, 09:56:03 PM
Some people, believe it or not, are capable of looking past the fact that McDonnell represents a supposedly nationalist party and voting with their conscience.

He is a thoroughly dislikeable f**ker altogether with plenty of skeletons in his closet. Voting for him just to keep out the DUP would have been reprehensible.

Please tell us more of his skeletons.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Wildweasel74 on February 11, 2019, 12:49:28 AM
Sinn fein could never get the voter nos for south Belfast but could to enough to skewer the SDLP which had been s long term objective. So we get Pengelly for that mentality. And it not be lost on me nxt time caoimhe Arch. Coming round looking a vote..
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: omaghjoe on February 11, 2019, 03:54:57 AM
A pact for north/south belfast along with one for FST & Upper Bann would seem fairly logical esp for the SDLP.

If we haven't seen it yet doubt we'll see it now with FF involved who would love to give the shinners a bloody nose in the north. The root of it all seems to me mainly cos the stoops are too proud.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: johnnycool on February 11, 2019, 10:45:16 AM
Same old story.

Chat about reviving democratic institutions out of one side of our mouths and then playing electoral gains to keep themmuns out of South Belfast from the other. Absolute nonsense.


The only nonsense is the constituency with the highest remain vote in NI is represented by a cnut.

The constituency is represented by the democratic winner on the basis of the electoral system in place. Whether she's a **** or not (she clearly is) is moot.

It's the 21st century. People talk of moving on and a brighter future and all that but are hypocritically blinded when it comes to the idea that electoral pacts are by definition anti democratic.

If the majority of Nationalists in South Belfast wanted a Nationalist MP they should've went out and voted Alasdair McDonnell. It's rather quite simple.

Was Alasdair a social democrat or just a member of the SDLP?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 11, 2019, 10:49:26 AM
Electoral pacts serve what purpose? Keep themmuns out? That's the politics of a cess pit. That mentality has this place in the mess it is. Every party should stand on its manifesto. The electorate should then go out and vote for the party they think best represents them. Vote for something. Argue, disagree etc, but go out and vote for something rather than voting against something.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 11, 2019, 10:55:40 AM
Same old story.

Chat about reviving democratic institutions out of one side of our mouths and then playing electoral gains to keep themmuns out of South Belfast from the other. Absolute nonsense.


The only nonsense is the constituency with the highest remain vote in NI is represented by a cnut.

The constituency is represented by the democratic winner on the basis of the electoral system in place. Whether she's a **** or not (she clearly is) is moot.

It's the 21st century. People talk of moving on and a brighter future and all that but are hypocritically blinded when it comes to the idea that electoral pacts are by definition anti democratic.

If the majority of Nationalists in South Belfast wanted a Nationalist MP they should've went out and voted Alasdair McDonnell. It's rather quite simple.

Was Alasdair a social democrat or just a member of the SDLP?

Are you asking me? I don't know. Keen to find out more about his skeletons though. Being a doctor he probably has at least one skeleton alright.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: imtommygunn on February 11, 2019, 11:26:56 AM
He was fond of a good auld expense claim. I don't know the full ins and outs but I suspect if you google you should find it out.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Saffrongael on February 11, 2019, 01:15:41 PM
He was fond of a good auld expense claim. I don't know the full ins and outs but I suspect if you google you should find it out.

What politician isn’t ?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 11, 2019, 01:32:35 PM
Same old story.

Chat about reviving democratic institutions out of one side of our mouths and then playing electoral gains to keep themmuns out of South Belfast from the other. Absolute nonsense.


The only nonsense is the constituency with the highest remain vote in NI is represented by a cnut.

The constituency is represented by the democratic winner on the basis of the electoral system in place. Whether she's a **** or not (she clearly is) is moot.

It's the 21st century. People talk of moving on and a brighter future and all that but are hypocritically blinded when it comes to the idea that electoral pacts are by definition anti democratic.

If the majority of Nationalists in South Belfast wanted a Nationalist MP they should've went out and voted Alasdair McDonnell. It's rather quite simple.

Was Alasdair a social democrat or just a member of the SDLP?

Are you asking me? I don't know. Keen to find out more about his skeletons though. Being a doctor he probably has at least one skeleton alright.

Well certainly SF played a pretty dirty campaign last time leaking all sorts of accusations against McDonnell. No idea if they were true or not but nothing to this day has come of them. McDonnell surprisingly increased his vote share despite the smear campaign last time unfortunately the UUP vote collapsed and all nice moderate Unionists decided to vote for the bigot DUP just to keep a taig out
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Seany on February 11, 2019, 02:29:17 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47200039

Not good news for the SDLP.  Essentially, the SDL part of the party was sacrificed for Saturday's agreement to enter into an 'understanding' with Fianna Fail.  Now, an majorl part of the P has gone too.

Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 11, 2019, 03:06:04 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47200039

Not good news for the SDLP.  Essentially, the SDL part of the party was sacrificed for Saturday's agreement to enter into an 'understanding' with Fianna Fail.  Now, an majorl part of the P has gone too.

It would appear Claire is only a Democrat when it suits her. Sad but something has to change or there’ll be no party to resign from.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Owen Brannigan on February 11, 2019, 03:16:29 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47200039

Not good news for the SDLP.  Essentially, the SDL part of the party was sacrificed for Saturday's agreement to enter into an 'understanding' with Fianna Fail.  Now, an majorl part of the P has gone too.

It would appear Claire is only a Democrat when it suits her. Sad but something has to change or there’ll be no party to resign from.

Pathetic.

You can be a democrat, accept a vote has gone against you and then take whatever actions your principles demand. In her case, the party she belonged to voted to become a branch of FF, a centre right party and moved away from its founding principles and any pretence of being social democrats with left leaning policies. She has her principles and decided to resign her portfolio and become an independent.  Strange though that she wants to remain a member of the party.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 12, 2019, 10:58:13 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47200039

Not good news for the SDLP.  Essentially, the SDL part of the party was sacrificed for Saturday's agreement to enter into an 'understanding' with Fianna Fail.  Now, an majorl part of the P has gone too.

It would appear Claire is only a Democrat when it suits her. Sad but something has to change or there’ll be no party to resign from.

Pathetic.

You can be a democrat, accept a vote has gone against you and then take whatever actions your principles demand. In her case, the party she belonged to voted to become a branch of FF, a centre right party and moved away from its founding principles and any pretence of being social democrats with left leaning policies. She has her principles and decided to resign her portfolio and become an independent.  Strange though that she wants to remain a member of the party.

There's nothing pathetic about it. Claire should shite or get off the pot. She hasn't resigned from the party just the assembly whip.
It was a simple choice for the SDLP. Adapt or die. In my view they should have went much further and taken the Spanish conquistador Hernando Cortez's approach and burned the ships.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: lurganblue on February 12, 2019, 11:41:43 AM
Electoral pacts serve what purpose? Keep themmuns out? That's the politics of a cess pit. That mentality has this place in the mess it is. Every party should stand on its manifesto. The electorate should then go out and vote for the party they think best represents them. Vote for something. Argue, disagree etc, but go out and vote for something rather than voting against something.

Agreed. I personally only vote for one party that i agree with on a majority of issues. A pact would be no good to me as i would not vote for a different party just so another "side" wont get in.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Applesisapples on February 12, 2019, 12:13:39 PM
Claire Hanna is undoubtedly articulate, but like most politicians a little too rehearsed in her arguments. I think Claire and her supporters like Briege Rogers represent the cultural nationalist wing of the SDLP and the slightly greener part has cast them adrift with the Fianna Fail alliance. The Shinners seem to be mopping up the yoof so difficult for the SDLP to keep going with out a broader all-Ireland approach. Their mistake is in only going half way.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Seany on February 23, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Insane Bolt on February 23, 2019, 06:51:18 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Saffrongael on February 23, 2019, 07:36:44 PM
Dunno if the parties have a hatred of Sinn Fein it’s just very easy to point out their hypocrisy on a range of issues
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Farrandeelin on February 23, 2019, 10:01:38 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

Fianna Fáil the so-called Republican party.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: hardstation on February 23, 2019, 10:19:50 PM
Dunno if the parties have a hatred of Sinn Fein it’s just very easy to point out their hypocrisy on a range of issues
I’d say the truth is that the SDLP are raging that Sinn Fein have driven them to political insignificance and Fianna Fáil are wary they’re next. No more, no less.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: LCohen on February 23, 2019, 11:00:53 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’, This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don’t think that. They just think it’s the right thing to do. Imagine that?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: armaghniac on February 24, 2019, 12:30:36 AM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’, This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don’t think that. They just think it’s the right thing to do. Imagine that?

At this stage, SF are one of the greatest obstacles to United Ireland, both in their coat trailing demeanour and their inability to put forward a credible economic policy that does not involve taxing the shite out of people. The challenge for SF is not whether they can please their own cultists but whether they can in fact actually advance a United Ireland.   
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 24, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: LCohen on February 24, 2019, 09:30:24 AM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’, This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don’t think that. They just think it’s the right thing to do. Imagine that?

At this stage, SF are one of the greatest obstacles to United Ireland, both in their coat trailing demeanour and their inability to put forward a credible economic policy that does not involve taxing the shite out of people. The challenge for SF is not whether they can please their own cultists but whether they can in fact actually advance a United Ireland.

SF could look to Brexit. Brexit shows that you can win a referendum on the basis of sloganeering. But major constitutional change against the backdrop of a divided electorate needs detailed planning. At this stage there is no indication that SF can or are even trying to achieve that. Right now a special place in hell awaits for them and their Faragesque posturing
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: LCohen on February 24, 2019, 09:35:34 AM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D’Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Owen Brannigan on February 24, 2019, 09:25:12 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D’Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa

As institutionalised by the flawed St Andrews agreement to provide a fig leaf for SF and DUP to get together in government and have SF onboard with policing.

Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Applesisapples on February 25, 2019, 11:24:11 AM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.
I vote SF, but do not agree with all that they do and would love the chance to vote for a proper nationalist party without the baggage associated with memorials etc... The SDLP though criticise SF for not rolling over on the assembly, I don't want nationalists to go into Stormont without proper recognition of our rights as Irish citizens and equality for all that it embraces, which is the problem I have with the SDLP.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Applesisapples on February 25, 2019, 11:25:48 AM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’, This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

No they don’t think that. They just think it’s the right thing to do. Imagine that?
All the Nationalist parties north and south are all over the show on this, it is up to them all to carve out a way forward not just the Shinners.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Seany on February 25, 2019, 11:58:27 AM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: haranguerer on February 25, 2019, 12:18:51 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D’Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa

Really???
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Sportacus on February 25, 2019, 06:24:19 PM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.
If Sinn Fein deliver a United Ireland it will be a nasty, troubled affair because Unionists simply don't trust SF and never will, in fact they despise them.  SDLP could have a much better chance of getting there more peacefully and probably more quickly, if only they could see the opportunity and had the talent in their ranks to attract voters back.   
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: marty34 on February 25, 2019, 07:34:51 PM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.
If Sinn Fein deliver a United Ireland it will be a nasty, troubled affair because Unionists simply don't trust SF and never will, in fact they despise them.  SDLP could have a much better chance of getting there more peacefully and probably more quickly, if only they could see the opportunity and had the talent in their ranks to attract voters back.   

History clearlyy shows that unionists 'simply don't trust' nationalists' of any sort...whatever shade of green they are.

Unionists are ok with nationalists if they just keep the head down and don't rock the boat.  That day is over.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: LCohen on February 25, 2019, 08:38:14 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SF have created a two party sectarian state in NI. They think the election results in the North are an honest reflective of their popularity. The recent Presidential election showed were they are. A protest vote

The DUP and SF votes are protest votes that are encouraged by the D’Hondt/Jefferson system. Nationalists are encouraged to vote SF to prevent a DUP FM. And vice versa

Really???

Yes
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: LooseCannon on February 25, 2019, 08:54:35 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.
I vote SF, but do not agree with all that they do and would love the chance to vote for a proper nationalist party without the baggage associated with memorials etc... The SDLP though criticise SF for not rolling over on the assembly, I don't want nationalists to go into Stormont without proper recognition of our rights as Irish citizens and equality for all that it embraces, which is the problem I have with the SDLP.

You do realise that the SDLP are the only party to date that have a plan as to what an Irish Language Act would look like and how it would be implemented. It’s all soundbites and spin from the Shinners. Check out Mick Fealty’s tweets.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 25, 2019, 09:13:22 PM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.

Why don't you go and read the proposals that the SDLP have published, rather than spouting incoherent SF gibberish.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Chief on February 25, 2019, 09:39:45 PM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.

Why don't you go and read the proposals that the SDLP have published, rather than spouting incoherent SF gibberish.


This is the perfect articulation of the SDLPs problem. Someone has gone to the hassle to outline what it would take to make them pick the SDLP the next time they enter the ballot box. The response (from people who I assume are sympathetic to the SDLP)  is to 1) Preach at them 2) Illustrate how badly the SDLP are at promoting their own policies (Note: Political parties “sell” their vision to the electorate - they do not “instruct” them to go read their proposals)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on February 25, 2019, 09:46:45 PM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.

Why don't you go and read the proposals that the SDLP have published, rather than spouting incoherent SF gibberish.


This is the perfect articulation of the SDLPs problem. Someone has gone to the hassle to outline what it would take to make them pick the SDLP the next time they enter the ballot box. The response (from people who I assume are sympathetic to the SDLP)  is to 1) Preach at them 2) Illustrate how badly the SDLP are at promoting their own policies (Note: Political parties “sell” their vision to the electorate - they do not “instruct” them to go read their proposals)

The detailed policies are there but it's now the SDLP's fault people can't be arsed to go and read the information they actually want. They want someone to read it for them and summarise it on a GAA board for them.
They complain the information isn't there when it is then take offence when their own laziness is pointed out.

Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Chief on February 25, 2019, 10:05:58 PM
If I was advising the SDLP, I would tell them to Green up.  Now that they have embraced FF, they need to accept that the Social Democracy element of their party is gone and they need to be working for and planning towards a United Ireland.  They need to be at one voice with SF on Stormont, Brexit and DUP dysfunction and be very clear that under the current situation, they two could not countenance going back into the Executive. And they certainly need to stop the complete nonsense on abstenstionism. When the election comes, nationalists are then clear that both their parties are at one voice on the national question, therefore it comes down to a vote on who is the better candidate.  The current SDLP approach is just plain ridiculous.  Nobody, including themselves really have a clue what they are about, so it becomes a vague 'Get back into Stormont' rant that makes no acknowledgement at all towards the issues that got us to where we are.  The other thing that keeps them going is that they spend their time 'marking' SF and making counter statements nit picking the SF approach and not offering one pragmatic idea themselves.

Why don't you go and read the proposals that the SDLP have published, rather than spouting incoherent SF gibberish.


This is the perfect articulation of the SDLPs problem. Someone has gone to the hassle to outline what it would take to make them pick the SDLP the next time they enter the ballot box. The response (from people who I assume are sympathetic to the SDLP)  is to 1) Preach at them 2) Illustrate how badly the SDLP are at promoting their own policies (Note: Political parties “sell” their vision to the electorate - they do not “instruct” them to go read their proposals)

The detailed policies are there but it's now the SDLP's fault people can't be arsed to go and read the information they actually want. They want someone to read it for them and summarise it on a GAA board for them.
They complain the information isn't there when it is then take offence when their own laziness is pointed out.



I like lists so:

1) Yes it is the SDLP’s fault people don’t read their policies.Who else’s fault would it be? Just so it’s completely clear,  it’s the responsibility of political parties who are seeking public office to “sell” their policies to the demos. Especially when you have less activists that the main opposition. This is literally Politics 101.
2) Yes people want summaries - what amount of people do you ever think read full manifestos before voting? I’d guess a third of people if your lucky. Therefore in order to help the people make a decision you help make the decision simple for them - think “It’s The Economy Stupid”, “Yes We Can”, “Make America Great Again”, “Tiocfaidh ar la”, “Take Back Control” etc etc
3) Yes a lot of people are lazy when it come to political analysis  - know your audience and adapt accordingly - see point 2
4) When someone is motivated enough to suggest a strategy that will attract them to a party they want to be listened to, not preached at - see points 2 and 3 (FYI this also helps explain some of SF’s problems down south.
5) People aren’t complaining that information isn’t out there, they are complaining they don’t know what the SDLP stands for - see points 2 -5
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: johnnycool on February 26, 2019, 10:46:11 AM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.
I vote SF, but do not agree with all that they do and would love the chance to vote for a proper nationalist party without the baggage associated with memorials etc... The SDLP though criticise SF for not rolling over on the assembly, I don't want nationalists to go into Stormont without proper recognition of our rights as Irish citizens and equality for all that it embraces, which is the problem I have with the SDLP.

You do realise that the SDLP are the only party to date that have a plan as to what an Irish Language Act would look like and how it would be implemented. It’s all soundbites and spin from the Shinners. Check out Mick Fealty’s tweets.

Mick hates the Shinners every bit as much as the likes of RDE and the Sindo ilk and is blinded by that.

If the Shinners don't have an ILA and a plan to implement it then what did the DUP team agree to take back to their party/OO/Jamwie Bwyson and Co for ratification?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on February 26, 2019, 12:18:16 PM
Colm Eastwood spoke at the Fianna Fáil Ard Fheis today and for his greatest ovations when he criticized SF for their abstentionnistes policy and for having the audacity to suggest that a referendum on irish unity should be a consideration after Brexit. Do they really think that this sort of rhetoric is going to drive SF voters in their droves and into the arms of the SDFF ‘understanding’,  This sort of nonsense drives northern nationalists up the walls.  it is just the very self same thing that will lose them even more voters. Those to parties are connected by only one thing and that is their hatred for Sinn Fein.

SDLP are a busted flush now....but what gets me is SF voters who see no wrong in their party.....a party that endorsed Tory austerity and awarded PIP assessment contracts to Capita.
I vote SF, but do not agree with all that they do and would love the chance to vote for a proper nationalist party without the baggage associated with memorials etc... The SDLP though criticise SF for not rolling over on the assembly, I don't want nationalists to go into Stormont without proper recognition of our rights as Irish citizens and equality for all that it embraces, which is the problem I have with the SDLP.

You do realise that the SDLP are the only party to date that have a plan as to what an Irish Language Act would look like and how it would be implemented. It’s all soundbites and spin from the Shinners. Check out Mick Fealty’s tweets.

Mick hates the Shinners every bit as much as the likes of RDE and the Sindo ilk and is blinded by that.

If the Shinners don't have an ILA and a plan to implement it then what did the DUP team agree to take back to their party/OO/Jamwie Bwyson and Co for ratification?
 

It was a useless ILA about as watered down as you could get and still wasnt acceptable to the UDA oops i mean unionists. As for Featly as much as I like his site he himself is odd and cerainly doesnt have much time for nationalism. I dont know if he is just playing devils advocate or feels he needs to make up for an imbalance on his site that doesnt actually exist. I dont know.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on March 04, 2019, 02:55:51 PM
Mark Durcan wtf  ::)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: playwiththewind1st on March 04, 2019, 08:01:26 PM
Any ould job will do, with any party.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: grounded on March 04, 2019, 08:47:55 PM
Mark Durcan wtf  ::)

Well that was unexpected.  A massive coup for fine gael, timed perfectly after the sdlp/fianna fail partnership last month.
           Seems like the call went out to abandon ship and the former captain jumped first. Sad. Sad for the legacy of John Hume and the party he helped build.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: omaghjoe on March 05, 2019, 05:54:46 AM
Strange move and it looks to be the end of the SDLP

I thought durkan a decent skin but for a supposed nationalist to join Fine Gael it doesnt reflect well Imo

Strange that the stoops are falling over themselves to join FF & FG I would always thought that Labour wudda been more natural bedfellows. But on the other hand it was a badly kept secret that SDLPs position on the left was more a hangover from their foundation and not reflective of the present day middle class base.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Walter Cronc on March 05, 2019, 08:29:41 AM
Surely more middle class nationalists support SF than SDLP?
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: thewobbler on March 05, 2019, 08:45:16 AM
Surely more middle class nationalists support SF than SDLP?

Probably true of the  midde class nationalists who can be arsed to vote.

Which is the same thing, I suppose.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on March 05, 2019, 10:04:20 AM
This is bad news for SDLP. Who knows where they go from here. They should've just bit the bullet and threw all in with FF. At this rate there'll be nothing left for FF to take over.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Applesisapples on March 05, 2019, 10:23:00 AM
This is bad news for SDLP. Who knows where they go from here. They should've just bit the bullet and threw all in with FF. At this rate there'll be nothing left for FF to take over.
I once would have advocated FF standing in the North and would under Bertie's leadership have voted for them. But Martin's constant anti Nordie SF sniping is a turn off.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: nrico2006 on March 05, 2019, 10:44:05 AM
The SDLP seem to have more issues with SF than any other party.  Daniel McCrossan's life seems to be about slabbering as much as he can about SF.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: yellowcard on March 05, 2019, 10:54:53 AM
It's also a 2 fingered salute from Durkan to Colm Eastwood so soon after the official link up with FF. Their perceived sister party was Labour, they formed a recent alliance with FF and now their former leader has thrown in his lot with FG. Hanna and Durkan's defections have meant that it has been a bad few weeks for SDLP. 
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: playwiththewind1st on March 05, 2019, 10:59:26 AM
Councillor Cahill on Lisburn Council is another one seemingly without a clue as to what party she wants to affiliate to.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: LeoMc on March 05, 2019, 11:04:02 AM
It's also a 2 fingered salute from Durkan to Colm Eastwood so soon after the official link up with FF. Their perceived sister party was Labour, they formed a recent alliance with FF and now their former leader has thrown in his lot with FG. Hanna and Durkan's defections have meant that it has been a bad few weeks for SDLP.
I heard it described as Eastwood and Mallons link up with FF on the radio, Was Nicola Mallon a prominent supporter of it? I always considered her and Hanna as 2 of their better performers so to see of them going off in differing directions can only weaken them.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Owen Brannigan on March 05, 2019, 11:24:19 AM
It's also a 2 fingered salute from Durkan to Colm Eastwood so soon after the official link up with FF. Their perceived sister party was Labour, they formed a recent alliance with FF and now their former leader has thrown in his lot with FG. Hanna and Durkan's defections have meant that it has been a bad few weeks for SDLP.
I heard it described as Eastwood and Mallons link up with FF on the radio, Was Nicola Mallon a prominent supporter of it? I always considered her and Hanna as 2 of their better performers so to see of them going off in differing directions can only weaken them.

Mallon has the best record of any MLA of working on social issues and achieving something for mostly her N.Belfast constituents but for all in relation to the welfare reforms handed by SF to the Tories to implement. Therefore, it was a shock that she would be alongside Eastwood in moving to FF.

SDLP has always had its FF, FG and Labour factions.  By forcing through the FF alliance, Eastwood has opened up these fissures in the party and is prepared to allow them to grow in return for FF money to keep his party afloat.  The loss of the 3 WM seats meant that income was severely reduced and would mean that a party machine without a grass roots base of volunteers could no longer compete with the other NI parties. Durkan's move will allow the merger/takeover to happen faster than planned.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on March 05, 2019, 11:37:58 AM
It's also a 2 fingered salute from Durkan to Colm Eastwood so soon after the official link up with FF. Their perceived sister party was Labour, they formed a recent alliance with FF and now their former leader has thrown in his lot with FG. Hanna and Durkan's defections have meant that it has been a bad few weeks for SDLP.
I heard it described as Eastwood and Mallons link up with FF on the radio, Was Nicola Mallon a prominent supporter of it? I always considered her and Hanna as 2 of their better performers so to see of them going off in differing directions can only weaken them.

Mallon has the best record of any MLA of working on social issues and achieving something for mostly her N.Belfast constituents but for all in relation to the welfare reforms handed by SF to the Tories to implement. Therefore, it was a shock that she would be alongside Eastwood in moving to FF.

SDLP has always had its FF, FG and Labour factions.  By forcing through the FF alliance, Eastwood has opened up these fissures in the party and is prepared to allow them to grow in return for FF money to keep his party afloat.  The loss of the 3 WM seats meant that income was severely reduced and would mean that a party machine without a grass roots base of volunteers could no longer compete with the other NI parties. Durkan's move will allow the merger/takeover to happen faster than planned.

To my knowledge that is inaccurate. The party has plenty of money. This linkup was about political profile.
Nicola Mallon was central to this link up as deputy leader.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: RedHand88 on March 05, 2019, 12:07:21 PM
The SDLP seem to have more issues with SF than any other party.  Daniel McCrossan's life seems to be about slabbering as much as he can about SF.

He's a joke. He must have got a dig from a shinner on the football pitch growing up. It's the only explanation for the chip on his shoulder.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Owen Brannigan on March 05, 2019, 02:09:46 PM
To my knowledge that is inaccurate. The party has plenty of money. This linkup was about political profile.
Nicola Mallon was central to this link up as deputy leader.

Nonsense, SDLP is on its knees when it comes to money.  Donations are so far behind all other parties and they are dependent on expenses from Stormont which are much reduced:

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/donations-and-loans-to-political-parties/quarterly-donations-and-loans
 (https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/donations-and-loans-to-political-parties/quarterly-donations-and-loans)
To run a modern election, money is everything.  FF brings that resource.

Just because you are deputy leader does not mean you cannot think for yourself or stay true to your principles.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: playwiththewind1st on March 05, 2019, 02:12:36 PM
Their expenses are nearly the same (with one exception), it's their salaries that have been cut.
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: trailer on March 05, 2019, 03:03:26 PM
To my knowledge that is inaccurate. The party has plenty of money. This linkup was about political profile.
Nicola Mallon was central to this link up as deputy leader.

Nonsense, SDLP is on its knees when it comes to money.  Donations are so far behind all other parties and they are dependent on expenses from Stormont which are much reduced:

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/donations-and-loans-to-political-parties/quarterly-donations-and-loans
 (https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/donations-and-loans-to-political-parties/quarterly-donations-and-loans)
To run a modern election, money is everything.  FF brings that resource.

Just because you are deputy leader does not mean you cannot think for yourself or stay true to your principles.

OK you seem to know it all.  ;)
Title: Re: The SDLP
Post by: Owen Brannigan on March 05, 2019, 03:18:10 PM
To my knowledge that is inaccurate. The party has plenty of money. This linkup was about political profile.
Nicola Mallon was central to this link up as deputy leader.

Nonsense, SDLP is on its knees when it comes to money.  Donations are so far behind all other parties and they are dependent on expenses from Stormont which are much reduced:

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/donations-and-loans-to-political-parties/quarterly-donations-and-loans
 (https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/donations-and-loans-to-political-parties/quarterly-donations-and-loans)
To run a modern election, money is everything.  FF brings that resource.

Just because you are deputy leader does not mean you cannot think for yourself or stay true to your principles.

OK you seem to know it all.  ;)

Just factual.