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Title: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 26, 2010, 11:25:28 AM
Not sure if we have one or not as the search function is not working!

Anyway, Murray is two sets to love up against Nadal in the last 8 and Nadal looks in trouble with a knee injury.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 11:27:25 AM
Stuck a few quid on Murray this mornin to beat Nadal at 5/6. Nadal is a shell of the player he was a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: take_yer_points on January 26, 2010, 11:38:28 AM
Nadal just quit when 3-0 down in the third set (and 2-0 down in sets).

He had the physio out a few games before he retired but he didn't look that bad - very surprising.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 26, 2010, 11:40:19 AM
Stuck a few quid on Murray this mornin to beat Nadal at 5/6. Nadal is a shell of the player he was a couple of years ago.
Will bookies pay out because of a retirement?  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 11:48:14 AM
Stuck a few quid on Murray this mornin to beat Nadal at 5/6. Nadal is a shell of the player he was a couple of years ago.
Will bookies pay out because of a retirement?  ;)

They fuckin better. Aye I think they do.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 11:54:45 AM
Aye they paid out in full.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on January 26, 2010, 12:12:00 PM
Semi should be interestiing.

His comments about not supporting England will  be forgotten if he gets to the final.  Did Henman get to a grand slam final?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 12:16:06 PM
Semi should be interestiing.

His comments about not supporting England will  be forgotten if he gets to the final.  Did Henman get to a grand slam final?

No but Rusedski got to the US Open final in '97ish but lost to Rafter. Federer is looking strong though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on January 26, 2010, 12:18:50 PM
Semi should be interestiing.

His comments about not supporting England will  be forgotten if he gets to the final.  Did Henman get to a grand slam final?

No but Rusedski got to the US Open final in '97ish but lost to Rafter. Federer is looking strong though.
Hard to look past Federer for the final.  If Murray get through, would he be worth a punt for the final?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 12:25:29 PM
Semi should be interestiing.

His comments about not supporting England will  be forgotten if he gets to the final.  Did Henman get to a grand slam final?

No but Rusedski got to the US Open final in '97ish but lost to Rafter. Federer is looking strong though.
Hard to look past Federer for the final.  If Murray get through, would he be worth a punt for the final?

He would be worth a punt alright. Don't think he will beat Federer though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on January 26, 2010, 12:35:53 PM
Has he not beaten Federer before? 

Don't know what the standard of the tournament was but was listening to his post match banter with Courier and he seemed very relaxed.

Was surprised when Courier asked what the Bath in ice water after a game was about. 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 26, 2010, 12:37:25 PM
Has he not beaten Federer before? 

Don't know what the standard of the tournament was but was listening to his post match banter with Courier and he seemed very relaxed.

Was surprised when Courier asked what the Bath in ice water after a game was about.

He has never beaten him in a Grand Slam before. He has beaten him before in tour events.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 26, 2010, 01:16:53 PM
Murray won't beat Federer in the final if they meet.  I feel bad for Nadal as he has been struggling since he came back from injury, seems to have lost some muscle aswell. 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: HowAreYeGettinOn on January 26, 2010, 03:01:35 PM
I feel bad for Nadal as he has been struggling since he came back from injury, seems to have lost some muscle aswell.

Nadal's game relies so much on physical intensity that it has to take its toll eventually. He's now lost a full grand-slam year to the effects of the tendinitis in his knees. I'd imagine he has shed some upper-body muscle to try and lessen the impact of all those five-set marathons on his joints. But that shedding of muscle takes away from his game too.

At the risk of sounding overly pessimistic, I doubt that he'll ever be the player he was. This time last year he had Federer in a psychological headlock.

Now that Fed has completed the Grand Slam set by winning the French, as well as achieving the record 15 Grand Slam titles, his place in history is assured. It'll be fascinating to see what happens when they next meet in a Grand Slam tournament.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: down6061689194 on January 26, 2010, 06:27:29 PM
His comments about not supporting England will  be forgotten if he gets to the final. 

They  were blown out of proportion anyway. It's like asking a United fan if they want city to win.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: magickingdom on January 26, 2010, 06:47:45 PM
His comments about not supporting England will  be forgotten if he gets to the final. 

They  were blown out of proportion anyway. It's like asking a United fan if they want city to win.

what did he say?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on January 26, 2010, 10:10:28 PM
http://www.andymurrayometer.com/ (http://www.andymurrayometer.com/)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 28, 2010, 11:44:57 AM
Sweet play by Murray, he is bound to make a mint reaching the final.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on January 28, 2010, 11:48:20 AM
Murray through to final.

Murray 3-6 6-4 6-4 6-2 Cilic
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Dakota on January 28, 2010, 01:41:21 PM
I'm guessing Murray is British now that he has got to the final, he will be Scottish again if he loses
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2010, 06:52:56 PM
Soderling does it all over again at Roland Garros and dumps out Federer this time - first time he's ever beaten him. Whatever small chance there was of Nadal not winning it looks to have evaporated.

Also the first time Federer hasn't made the semis of a grand slam in something like six years.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on June 01, 2010, 07:17:21 PM
Soderling does it all over again at Roland Garros and dumps out Federer this time - first time he's ever beaten him. Whatever small chance there was of Nadal not winning it looks to have evaporated.

Also the first time Federer hasn't made the semis of a grand slam in something like six years.

He's amazing but you have to wonder how he can keep this up, he has a tremendous amount of miles on the clock and I wonder if you will start to see him slip in the next year or so, that said he will probably win wimbledon, his favourite surface but his days of winning the ozzie and the french may well be over.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 01, 2010, 07:19:41 PM
Soderling does it all over again at Roland Garros and dumps out Federer this time - first time he's ever beaten him. Whatever small chance there was of Nadal not winning it looks to have evaporated.

Also the first time Federer hasn't made the semis of a grand slam in something like six years.

He's amazing but you have to wonder how he can keep this up, he has a tremendous amount of miles on the clock and I wonder if you will start to see him slip in the next year or so, that said he will probably win wimbledon, his favourite surface but his days of winning the ozzie and the french may well be over.

Presume you mean Fed and not Nadal? Didn't realise he had "days" of winning the French, rather just the "day" in a year that Nadal was injured and beaten by Soderling.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 15, 2010, 10:33:26 AM
Surprised there's been no mention of Nadal winning the US Open and completing his career grand slam. First man to win three Grand Slams on different surfaces in the one year. The way he continues to improve and adapt his game is fantastic.

Somehow Federer's haul of 16 grand slams looks distinctly achievable.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: HowAreYeGettinOn on September 15, 2010, 12:01:10 PM
Somehow Federer's haul of 16 grand slams looks distinctly achievable.

It does right now, but it'll be easier said than done. I reckon Fed isn't done winning majors yet either - before Nadal's comback in Paris, Fed had won three of the previous four and lost to Del Potro in the final of the '09 US Open.

Reckon Fed will get to 17 or 18 at the finish-up. But I think if Nadal's knees hold up, he could be the first man to reach 20. Especially as there doesn't seem to be anyone in the younger ranks that looks like they have the potential to 'succeed' him as the best in the world in the same way he succeeded Federer.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Family guy on November 27, 2010, 04:58:56 PM
Watchn nadal murray here and hafta say its the best sport i have watched all day
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Declan on January 21, 2011, 10:56:53 AM
Great interview with Clijsters from yesterday in Melbourne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfIbH7ssv5Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfIbH7ssv5Q)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 21, 2011, 12:20:35 PM
Just finished Andre Agassi's auto-biography, a fantastic read a good insight into the mind of a professional tennis player.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 26, 2011, 09:33:31 AM
Murray through and Nadal struglging with illness/injury in his match currently.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/9373831.stm
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 26, 2011, 12:32:25 PM
Nadal out, the Rafa slam is over!  Murray v Ferrer for a place on the final.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 26, 2011, 01:33:57 PM
Come on Murray... hope the scot wins his first slam, and he will never have a better chance with alot easier opponent in semi final than fully fit Nadal so should have more in the tank than the other semi as they will take alot out of each other.

Djorkovic and Federer will be some semi final match. Expect a 5 setter.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: thebigfella on January 26, 2011, 01:36:57 PM
Anyone notice that Nadal only gets beat because he has an injury, not that the other player was better on the day?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 28, 2011, 12:31:35 PM
Murray wins in 4 sets and plays Djokovic in the final.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2011, 12:45:27 PM
Murray wins in 4 sets and plays Djokovic in the final.

Hopefully Djokovic hammers him!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2011, 12:56:12 PM
Murray wins in 4 sets and plays Djokovic in the final.

Hopefully Djokovic hammers him!

He will have his work cut out against Djokovic.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 28, 2011, 12:58:59 PM
Murray wins in 4 sets and plays Djokovic in the final.

Hopefully Djokovic hammers him!

I dont mind Murray - I'd like to see him win it, he has put alot of work into his game to improve his fitness  and strength and been there or there abouts for a while now. I certainly wouldnt begrudge him a grand slam title.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 28, 2011, 01:46:01 PM
Anyone notice that Nadal only gets beat because he has an injury, not that the other player was better on the day?

I notice that every time Nadal does lose that there is some sort of injury to blame, sore loser.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2011, 02:13:32 PM
Anyone notice that Nadal only gets beat because he has an injury, not that the other player was better on the day?

I notice that every time Nadal does lose that there is some sort of injury to blame, sore loser.
Did he not hurt his leg in the third game? It's not as if got tanked and then said he was injured. He has also had a lot of injuries, due to the style of his play.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 28, 2011, 02:31:01 PM
Nadal was under P from the start of the first set so it was not him 'blaming injuries' as some have said. 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2011, 02:32:30 PM
Anyone notice that Nadal only gets beat because he has an injury, not that the other player was better on the day?

I notice that every time Nadal does lose that there is some sort of injury to blame, sore loser.
Did he not hurt his leg in the third game? It's not as if got tanked and then said he was injured. He has also had a lot of injuries, due to the style of his play.

Yep he did and had an injury time out in the 1st few games. Exactly its not like he was 2 sets down before the injury happened!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: anportmorforjfc on January 28, 2011, 02:42:23 PM
Murray SPOTY already if he wins sunday?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2011, 03:22:13 PM
Murray SPOTY already if he wins sunday?

That's what I was thinking. I wonder would you get a price for it before the final?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: HowAreYeGettinOn on January 28, 2011, 03:23:40 PM
It's now or never for Murray. No Federer or Nadal on the other side of the yet, and he has gone through all the razzmatazz of an Australian Open final already last year.

Djokovic is playing very well, and must be close to overtaking Federer as no. 2 in the world, having now beaten him twice in succession in Grand Slam semi-finals. But really, if you'd offered Murray a place in the final against Djokovic, he'd have bitten your hand off. He couldn't ask for a better opportunity.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 28, 2011, 03:33:40 PM
Anyone notice that Nadal only gets beat because he has an injury, not that the other player was better on the day?

I notice that every time Nadal does lose that there is some sort of injury to blame, sore loser.
Did he not hurt his leg in the third game? It's not as if got tanked and then said he was injured. He has also had a lot of injuries, due to the style of his play.

'Style of his play'?  He isn't running about taking hits while going for the ball, he is using the same methods as every other player during a game - he serves, chases the ball, returns, volleys, smashes and hits forehands and backhands.  He is not the greatest tennis player of all time, he is beatable yet anytime he does get beat it seems to never be because he was beat by the better man but because of some injury.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2011, 03:36:02 PM
Did you not read the above posts Nrico? He pulled a muscle in the third game and had an injury timeout in the first set.

Read the article below about his "style of play".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/29/AR2009082902120.html
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 30, 2011, 10:04:43 AM
Murray wins in 4 sets and plays Djokovic in the final.

Hopefully Djokovic hammers him!

Looks like you will get your wish! 5-0 down in 2nd set and a set down!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 30, 2011, 11:23:10 AM
Muzz stuffed in straight sets in the final, as usual.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: orangeman on January 30, 2011, 11:28:08 AM
Muzz stuffed in straight sets in the final, as usual.


Back to being SCOTTISH then !  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: under the bar on January 30, 2011, 11:31:33 AM
Thon mother of his would get on your wick! 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 30, 2011, 11:34:06 AM
First player to get to three Grand Slam finals and not win a set.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on January 30, 2011, 12:24:25 PM
Disappointed for Murray but some consolation in Djorkovic winning as he would be a close second to Murray in my favs. Glad to see Nadal and Federer out of the reckoning in this tournament long may it continue.

Djorkovic was in control today, and his defence was unreal from the baseline, looked fav for every point in the long rallies. Murrays first serve was getting in enough. It gave djorkovic the advantage to be more aggressive.

Hard to see murray coming back from this, hasnt even won a set in his 3 finals, and didnt come close today. Only 23 but US open is only realisitic chance this yr as hardcourt is his best surface, too much pressure at wimbledon so its hard to see it happening.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on January 30, 2011, 10:01:49 PM
Andy Murray - British to Scottish in three sets
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 31, 2011, 08:52:12 AM
Murray never got going yesterday, first server was poor and made far too many unforced errors.  Djokovic played well, but you just get the feeling that Murray throws the towel in mentally when he isn't on top form.  His whole body language and attitude yesterday in the third set was not something you would see from the top players in a similar scenario.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on June 03, 2011, 10:55:46 PM
Muzz played rightly today but beaten in straight sets, I honestly dont think he will win a Grand Slam. He is the same age as Nadal and Djokovic is only a year older I think. Great match between him and Federer in the other semi.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 26, 2012, 11:12:28 AM
Another Fed/Nadal classic in the making down under, 1 set each currently.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 26, 2012, 12:27:52 PM
Federer must really hate Nadal!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on January 27, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
Get ready to avoid the media.  British (for the moment) Murray Djokovic 1 set all, Murray has just broken in the third.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2012, 11:29:38 AM
Get ready to avoid the media.  British (for the moment) Murray Djokovic 1 set all, Murray has just broken in the third.

Back on serve, for now, dont mind Murray and if he beats Djokovic & Nadal you can't say he didn't earn it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 27, 2012, 11:50:16 AM
Don't like Murray at all. All this talk of "The Big Four" nonsense. There is no big four . . . it is a big 3! Murray does not get into that group until he wins one. He is behind the other 3 by a good bit when they are on their game. However if Djokovic and Nadal have bad days he has a slight chance of beating them.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 27, 2012, 11:52:39 AM
Don't like Murray at all. All this talk of "The Big Four" nonsense. There is no big four . . . it is a big 3! Murray does not get into that group until he wins one. He is behind the other 3 by a good bit when they are on their game. However if Djokovic and Nadal have bad days he has a slight chance of beating them.


Not entirely true in fairness.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 27, 2012, 11:56:04 AM
He just shit the togs serving for the set!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 27, 2012, 12:07:57 PM
2-1 Murray!

Djockivic 11/8 & Murray 4/7
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 27, 2012, 12:10:09 PM
Take a bow son!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjyfMCTAqKU
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
Nadal will be enjoying this, especially if it goes to five sets.

Edit - Djokovic 4-0 up so looking like five sets.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 27, 2012, 12:23:47 PM
Took Djokovic at Evs at start of 4th set when he broke first.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2012, 12:24:36 PM
Took Djokovic at Evs at start of 4th set when he broke first.

Did Murray at 13/8 when he was about to win second set.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on January 27, 2012, 12:43:34 PM
2 sets all, 1 all in the 5th.  BBC commentators will need heart transplants if Murray wins
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 27, 2012, 12:55:31 PM
Took Djokovic at Evs at start of 4th set when he broke first.

Did Murray at 13/8 when he was about to win second set.
Last set looks like a real battle now in that heat.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on January 27, 2012, 01:08:43 PM
Nearly over. 5-2 d'jockey.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Norf Tyrone on January 27, 2012, 01:16:54 PM
Anyone else like to see Murray win? I just think he deserves to win a grand slam at some point.

Murray breaks back!!

Brave stuff!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on January 27, 2012, 01:17:36 PM
Murray breaks back to love! Serving at 4-5.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: FermGael on January 27, 2012, 01:17:52 PM
Savage stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on January 27, 2012, 01:19:26 PM
Anyone else like to see Murray win? I just think he deserves to win a grand slam at some point.

Murray breaks back!!

Brave stuff!

Don't care for him one way or another but don't think I could handle all the hype and hyperbole if he won a slam. Don't think he's near a player as the other 3 either. Oddly though, Djokovic spent his formative years in Britain learning his tennis trade and was approached to represent them but decided to stay loyal to Serbia, AFAIK.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on January 27, 2012, 01:19:39 PM
Have to hand it to the Brit.  At 2-5 the Scot was looking dead and buried.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Jack Frost on January 27, 2012, 01:24:53 PM
Murray is in some form. He deserves to win
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nifan on January 27, 2012, 01:38:10 PM
Ive always liked murray since the Paraguay shirt saga.
I prefer his obvious contempt for ridiculous questions in interviews to henmans eagerness to please.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on January 27, 2012, 01:42:57 PM
Unlucky. On that form he would have bate Federer.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Doogie Browser on January 27, 2012, 01:49:53 PM
Wouldn't bother me, his oul doll is a puke though!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orangemac on January 29, 2012, 10:21:26 AM
Great way to spend a Sunday morning watching Australian Open.

Hard to believe a few years ago people were saying tennis was finished, that it was all big serves. Mens game is proabably as good if not better than the 80s era. Murray is unlucky that 3 of the best players ever to play the game are around at the minute.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2012, 10:43:59 AM
Some serious rallies in these games, the energy levels of these top players is immense
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2012, 12:45:01 PM
Fantastic effort from Nadal there. Thrilling stuff
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2012, 12:49:09 PM
some game there by nadal  love 40  down and serving comes back to win the game so its 4-4 instead of 5-3 to djokovic in the 4th set . rain delay at the moment . Some match
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2012, 01:04:16 PM
5 all in the 4th hope its goes to a 5th set . djokovic is holding his serve easier than nadal
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2012, 01:26:55 PM
Some match, fair fcuks to Nadal, it looked like it was only going one way. There is no quit in either of them.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2012, 01:35:02 PM
Hope Nadal wins , thought he was going to loose that tie break he just never gives up
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 29, 2012, 02:24:16 PM
Unreal stuff!!!! Hat's off to the pair of them that is some effort!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2012, 02:25:45 PM
Djokovic looked as if he could hardly walk 15 minutes ago.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2012, 02:29:33 PM
its some final . 5 hours  44 minutes djokovic serving for the final don't know how as minder said he looked dead on his feet 15 minutes ago
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: give her dixie on January 29, 2012, 02:36:02 PM
What a final....
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Harold Disgracey on January 29, 2012, 02:40:15 PM
What a game. A pity there has to be a loser. Congratulations Djokovic.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on January 29, 2012, 02:44:29 PM
What a game. A pity there has to be a loser. Congratulations Djokovic.

such a shame to have a looser allright. I f he wins in france he will have all 4 titles
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 29, 2012, 02:57:45 PM
Fitness levels on display were unreal. Nadal was still doing shuttle runs right to the end. When Nadal broke in the last set Djokovic was on an 8 count so it was some effort to come back!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on January 29, 2012, 03:00:48 PM
What a game. A pity there has to be a loser. Congratulations Djokovic.

such a shame to have a looser allright. I f he wins in france he will have all 4 titles

I don't usually watch tennis but this was sport at it's best. Btw is it just me or does Nadal remind anyone else of Jason McAteer?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on January 29, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
Magnificent final, perhaps second only to the Wimbledon final of 08. Djokovic looked out of it for the last set and a half but still found it within himself to keep going. Maybe the final turning point came when he called a Nadal serve out; it wasnt but it seemed to throw Nadal a little such that he lost the game and then the match. Have a preference for the Serb as I think he's just a little better all round, Nadal relies on power moreso. This is surely the golden age for men's tennis however.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2012, 03:14:59 PM
Magnificent final, perhaps second only to the Wimbledon final of 08. Djokovic looked out of it for the last set and a half but still found it within himself to keep going. Maybe the final turning point came when he called a Nadal serve out; it wasnt but it seemed to throw Nadal a little such that he lost the game and then the match. Have a preference for the Serb as I think he's just a little better all round, Nadal relies on power moreso. This is surely the golden age for men's tennis however.

The turning point was Nadal up 4-2 in the fifth set, up 30-15 on his own serve and missed a total gimme, ended up losing that service game.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Seamroga in exile on January 29, 2012, 03:16:36 PM
I watched this all the way through. Brilliant match! 11 and a half hours of tennis for Nolle in the last 48 hours, some going.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 29, 2012, 03:30:30 PM
Weird thing is the first three sets were shite and error-strewn but those final two were unreal. Nadal won't have been that sick since losing to Federer in the 2007 Wimbledon final.

I'm a massive Nadal fan and don't like Djokovic but he's the man and Rafa has to get back to the drawing board to figure out how to beat him.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 29, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
Magnificent final, perhaps second only to the Wimbledon final of 08. Djokovic looked out of it for the last set and a half but still found it within himself to keep going. Maybe the final turning point came when he called a Nadal serve out; it wasnt but it seemed to throw Nadal a little such that he lost the game and then the match. Have a preference for the Serb as I think he's just a little better all round, Nadal relies on power moreso. This is surely the golden age for men's tennis however.

The turning point was Nadal up 4-2 in the fifth set, up 30-15 on his own serve and missed a total gimme, ended up losing that service game.

Was that the backhand down the line? We were cursing it, had half the court to aim at.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2012, 03:49:52 PM
Magnificent final, perhaps second only to the Wimbledon final of 08. Djokovic looked out of it for the last set and a half but still found it within himself to keep going. Maybe the final turning point came when he called a Nadal serve out; it wasnt but it seemed to throw Nadal a little such that he lost the game and then the match. Have a preference for the Serb as I think he's just a little better all round, Nadal relies on power moreso. This is surely the golden age for men's tennis however.

The turning point was Nadal up 4-2 in the fifth set, up 30-15 on his own serve and missed a total gimme, ended up losing that service game.

Was that the backhand down the line? We were cursing it, had half the court to aim at.

Aye that was it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on June 28, 2012, 10:01:53 PM
Some nobody serving to put Nadal out now.
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Post by: Minder on June 28, 2012, 10:03:50 PM
Nadal out
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Post by: Tony Baloney on June 28, 2012, 10:06:44 PM
Nadal out
He should tell the autograph hunters to f**k off. The planets are aligning for Andy Murray...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 28, 2012, 10:40:44 PM
That Rosol guy was just incredible in the fifth. He hit absolutely everything going. Devastated as I'm a massive Nadal fan, but your man deserved it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on June 29, 2012, 12:52:22 AM
It was one of those occasions when you realise you're watching something special. Yer man was just unbelievable. Every shot a winner. Nadal was at his best but couldn't live with him. It was probably a freak event, because Rosol is 25 and has clearly never played like this before, so it's unlikely he will ever play like it again. If he did he would blow the rankings apart. A great occasion, though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Dinny Breen on June 29, 2012, 08:40:26 AM
Ä246K matched on Nadal at 1/100 when taking 1st set. Rosol hit 109/1
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on June 29, 2012, 10:05:57 AM
Nadal a bit ungracious in defeat.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on June 29, 2012, 08:56:57 PM
Another epic night at Wimbledon. Federer up against it but has come back from 2 sets down.
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Post by: DuffleKing on June 29, 2012, 10:45:22 PM
What did nadal say?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: trileacman on June 29, 2012, 10:48:40 PM
Did Federer go out then as well?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on June 29, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
Did Federer go out then as well?

No he won in 5, was 2-0 down.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: trileacman on June 29, 2012, 11:03:10 PM
Have to say that whilst Federer seems like a dour lad I prefer to see him winning over Nadal.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on June 30, 2012, 02:19:00 PM
good to see ana ivanovic back in form. always enjoy her matches. ;)
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Post by: maggie on June 30, 2012, 11:14:47 PM
Some finish from Murray. Just in time as well.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on July 06, 2012, 01:50:53 PM
Djorkovic v Federer anyone watching this? Roger one set up, has the makings of a long one.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: oisinog on July 06, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
Djokovic has just come back. This will go to 5 and it will be a long one again.

Murray might be finishing at 11 again
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on July 06, 2012, 02:54:47 PM
Roger gone two one up. Not a classic but very watchable. I don't know who to shout for. :-\
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on July 06, 2012, 03:01:28 PM
Roger gone two one up. Not a classic but very watchable. I don't know who to shout for. :-\

Tsonga!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on July 06, 2012, 03:09:43 PM
Nah, it's got to be Andy. ::)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on July 06, 2012, 03:24:47 PM
How is it that neither of these 2 has a bead of sweat on their forehead or on their T-Shirt . . . if I had to stand up for 2 hours the gravy would be pouring off me!!!

Serious athletes!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on July 06, 2012, 03:29:41 PM
Then you'd have certain other people telling you it's not sport at all ::). Federer at match point-he's got it. Fair play.

Btw is it true that every time Federer wins a Grand Slam Tournament The Swiss Government present him with a Prize Bull ????
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on July 06, 2012, 03:31:04 PM
"Only" 2hrs 19mins, relatively short for a game between these two.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on July 06, 2012, 03:39:31 PM
Yeh, I don't think Djokovic was at his best today. Boris Becker saying just now that they're not the best of friends, he's hearing rumours from the locker room :o.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: spuds on July 06, 2012, 06:37:30 PM
Yeh, I don't think Djokovic was at his best today. Boris Becker saying just now that they're not the best of friends, he's hearing rumours from the locker room :o.
Was he listening while hiding in the wardrobe ?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: heganboy on July 06, 2012, 06:54:22 PM
quickie in the wardrobe got him into a fierce bit of trouble last time around

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/04/books.sport

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: rrhf on July 06, 2012, 07:05:11 PM
Fair play to Murray loves the aul tennis boy..
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: dec on July 06, 2012, 07:25:50 PM
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/football/hibs/jamie-murray-to-cheer-hibs-on-in-scottish-cup-final-1-2303790

Hibs
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on July 06, 2012, 07:30:42 PM
I don't understand the relevance of the football company he supports. Regardless, he's in for a Rogering on Sunday, I imagine.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on July 06, 2012, 07:32:50 PM
I don't understand the relevance of the football company he supports. Regardless, he's in for a Rogering on Sunday, I imagine.

If Federer is on his game it will be straight sets I would think.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 06, 2012, 07:52:55 PM
I don't understand the relevance of the football company he supports. Regardless, he's in for a Rogering on Sunday, I imagine.

If Federer is on his game it will be straight sets I would think.
I think he's past his best now. Murray could do this. Poor b**tard has to endure being a Brit for an extra couple of days this year. Hopefully back to being a Jock on Monday...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Sandy Hill on July 06, 2012, 10:53:59 PM
He doesn't sound like a jock. I find him a pain in the ass and hope he gets hammered on Sunday or it will be 1966 WOrld Cup type shit for another 50 years!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 06, 2012, 11:10:55 PM
He doesn't sound like a jock. I find him a pain in the ass and hope he gets hammered on Sunday or it will be 1966 WOrld Cup type shit for another 50 years!
+1. Some journo on Twitter said if he wins it will be bigger than amy story at the Olympics. He caught a break with Nadal getting dumped out.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 06, 2012, 11:49:49 PM
If he were to win this, Wiggins the tour defrance and they won a load of golds in the olympics could be hard to listen to...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 06, 2012, 11:52:55 PM
If he were to win this, Wiggins the tour defrance and they won a load of golds in the olympics could be hard to listen to...
At least we didn't have to suffer England v Germany on the way to defeating Spain in thr final of the Euros.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 07, 2012, 02:44:27 PM
Birds tennis is rubbish.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: trileacman on July 07, 2012, 03:31:02 PM
Birds tennis is rubbish.

Without some decent beurs its nothing.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 07, 2012, 04:28:05 PM
Birds tennis is rubbish.

Without some decent beurs its nothing.

Serena is the hottest woman in tennis.

Not a bad game, looks like she has it won now.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 07, 2012, 06:48:03 PM
Birds tennis is rubbish.

Without some decent beurs its nothing.

Serena is the hottest woman in tennis.

Not a bad game, looks like she has it won now.

All the eastern European women tennis players are hotter than Serena.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: trileacman on July 07, 2012, 08:24:26 PM
Birds tennis is rubbish.

Without some decent beurs its nothing.

Serena is the hottest woman in tennis.

Not a bad game, looks like she has it won now.

She's a woman!!!!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 07, 2012, 10:33:28 PM
Anyone reckon Murray can win Wimbledon tomorrow?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 07, 2012, 10:35:39 PM
Anyone reckon Murray can win Wimbledon tomorrow?

Yes. Better chance against a Federera on the decline than against Nadal or Jorkaviv (spelling not my thing).

To be honest, I wont switch it on until the third set, as I find the first couple of sets boring as hell.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: sammymaguire on July 07, 2012, 10:40:48 PM
I reckon he could beat him too, Fed will find it hard to play better than he did in the semi and Murray played Federer in the US Open final a couple of years ago so won't fear him ... Can see him do it. There is a bet some guy did a few years ago over £10k on Fed to win 7 titles before 2019 at 66/1 I think and if the bet comes in, Oxfam stand to gain over £100k as the chap is now dead!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on July 07, 2012, 11:12:55 PM
I reckon he could beat him too, Fed will find it hard to play better than he did in the semi and Murray played Federer in the US Open final a couple of years ago so won't fear him ... Can see him do it. There is a bet some guy did a few years ago over £10k on Fed to win 7 titles before 2019 at 66/1 I think and if the bet comes in, Oxfam stand to gain over £100k as the chap is now dead!

Federer beat him in straight sets in that game so he won't be taking much from that, obviously he has a chance but the way Federer beat Djokovic he didn't look in decline.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on July 08, 2012, 09:23:01 AM
He has a 7/4 chance. Federer 1/2.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: haranguerer on July 08, 2012, 09:40:07 AM
Anyone reckon Murray can win Wimbledon tomorrow?

Yes. Better chance against a Federera on the decline than against Nadal or Jorkaviv (spelling not my thing).

To be honest, I wont switch it on until the third set, as I find the first couple of sets boring as hell.

How will you know when the third set is starting?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Sandy Hill on July 08, 2012, 11:11:36 AM
I reckon he could beat him too, Fed will find it hard to play better than he did in the semi and Murray played Federer in the US Open final a couple of years ago so won't fear him ... Can see him do it. There is a bet some guy did a few years ago over £10k on Fed to win 7 titles before 2019 at 66/1 I think and if the bet comes in, Oxfam stand to gain over £100k as the chap is now dead!

Sincerely hope he wins his bet! ;)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 08, 2012, 12:33:39 PM
I'd like to see the Scottish lad win, but I wouldn't be too bothered if the Brit lost.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: haranguerer on July 08, 2012, 01:05:56 PM
Really hope to see Murray do it. I've always found him to be honest and likeable. His grumpiness as it is portrayed is for me a reaction to a media who he is smart enough to know to keep at arms length - nothing worse for someone who wants to be a winner to be a media darling like Henman, but a complete overhyped flop.

He'll need federer to have an off day, but as long as he can keep his concentration hes got a good shot
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on July 08, 2012, 01:13:47 PM
Really hope to see Murray do it. I've always found him to be honest and likeable. His grumpiness as it is portrayed is for me a reaction to a media who he is smart enough to know to keep at arms length - nothing worse for someone who wants to be a winner to be a media darling like Henman, but a complete overhyped flop.

He'll need federer to have an off day, but as long as he can keep his concentration hes got a good shot

Very good post, I can't for the life of me understand what people have against Murray. Around here (Birmingham) support for him is very divided.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on July 08, 2012, 01:33:24 PM
I don't think too many have a problem with Murray just the eruption of f**k wittery in the media if he wins.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on July 08, 2012, 03:51:01 PM
Really hope to see Murray do it. I've always found him to be honest and likeable. His grumpiness as it is portrayed is for me a reaction to a media who he is smart enough to know to keep at arms length - nothing worse for someone who wants to be a winner to be a media darling like Henman, but a complete overhyped flop.

He'll need federer to have an off day, but as long as he can keep his concentration hes got a good shot

Very good post, I can't for the life of me understand what people have against Murray. Around here (Birmingham) support for him is very divided.

He's British, but not English. Wimbledon is 'all English lawn tennis club'. Henman and Perry were/are English.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ziggy90 on July 08, 2012, 03:58:13 PM
I Know that, what's your point? Usually people here would be shouting for any British and/or Irish Sportsperson but support for Murray is very limited.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: All of a Sludden on July 08, 2012, 04:05:44 PM
There is a lot of apathy towards Murray in Engerland because of his "anyone but England" comments a few years ago. He is Scottish after all.

Game on, one set all.

The crowd would sicken your happiness though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on July 08, 2012, 04:32:39 PM
Fascinating battle. Federer shows what a champion is by winning the second set having been kicked up and down the court all through it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 08, 2012, 06:03:04 PM
Andy Murray's girlfriend = hot.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on July 08, 2012, 06:37:30 PM
Really enjoyed that, end to end stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on July 08, 2012, 06:59:49 PM
Once the roof closed Federer could do little wrong, Murray was fantastic in this final however on the couple of occasions were he should have hit winners he bottled it, that was huge in the end.

Federer's movement is incredible and his forehand is out of this world, he and Laver stand as the two greatest players of all time, and he is only about to become 31.

Murray will win a major, he is improving all the time and i hope he does win one, that said I wish he would relax and smile once in a while, after all he has everything he could ever possibly need or want and it wouldnt kill him to take the sour look of his face now and again.




Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orangemac on July 08, 2012, 07:13:49 PM
Once the roof closed Federer could do little wrong, Murray was fantastic in this final however on the couple of occasions were he should have hit winners he bottled it, that was huge in the end.

Federer's movement is incredible and his forehand is out of this world, he and Laver stand as the two greatest players of all time, and he is only about to become 31.

Murray will win a major, he is improving all the time and i hope he does win one, that said I wish he would relax and smile once in a while, after all he has everything he could ever possibly need or want and it wouldnt kill him to take the sour look of his face now and again.
People said the same thing about Colin Montgomerie, it never happened. Murray seems to be just missing that 1 or 2% of mental strength required to hang in when things are going well. Doesn't matter if he is sour or not.

Having Lendl as a mentor wouldn't help much, how many Wimbeldon finals did he lose without winning one?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on July 08, 2012, 07:26:47 PM
Once the roof closed Federer could do little wrong, Murray was fantastic in this final however on the couple of occasions were he should have hit winners he bottled it, that was huge in the end.

Federer's movement is incredible and his forehand is out of this world, he and Laver stand as the two greatest players of all time, and he is only about to become 31.

Murray will win a major, he is improving all the time and i hope he does win one, that said I wish he would relax and smile once in a while, after all he has everything he could ever possibly need or want and it wouldnt kill him to take the sour look of his face now and again.
People said the same thing about Colin Montgomerie, it never happened. Murray seems to be just missing that 1 or 2% of mental strength required to hang in when things are going well. Doesn't matter if he is sour or not.

Having Lendl as a mentor wouldn't help much, how many Wimbeldon finals did he lose without winning one?

Lendl won 8 Grand slams though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Aaron Boone on July 08, 2012, 08:34:36 PM
Once the roof closed Federer could do little wrong, Murray was fantastic in this final however on the couple of occasions were he should have hit winners he bottled it, that was huge in the end.

Federer's movement is incredible and his forehand is out of this world, he and Laver stand as the two greatest players of all time, and he is only about to become 31.

Murray will win a major, he is improving all the time and i hope he does win one, that said I wish he would relax and smile once in a while, after all he has everything he could ever possibly need or want and it wouldnt kill him to take the sour look of his face now and again.
People said the same thing about Colin Montgomerie, it never happened. Murray seems to be just missing that 1 or 2% of mental strength required to hang in when things are going well. Doesn't matter if he is sour or not.

Having Lendl as a mentor wouldn't help much, how many Wimbeldon finals did he lose without winning one?

Agree with this. Murray is a great player but he's just in a time of 3 greater players. He's way better than the number 5 seed but can't bridge it to the lads above him. I don't see him winning a GS.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on July 08, 2012, 09:47:17 PM
Murray is 25! Federrer won Wimbledon at 22. Djokovic won Australia at 21. Nadal won French open at 19. BjŲrn Borg won french open at 18. Jimmy Connors won US, French & Wimbledon at 22. Becker won wimbledon at 17. Lendl won French open at 25. McEnroe won US at 20. Sampras won US open at 19. Agassi won Wimbledon at 22. Jim Courier won french open at 21. Edberg won Australia Open at 19. Matts Willander won French open at 18.

All the above were/are great players. You'll notice they got the monkey of the back early in their career. Some almost under the Radar before the pressure, expectaton and fear built up. The oldest i came across was Lendl who was 25!


Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 08, 2012, 09:49:39 PM
Once the roof closed Federer could do little wrong, Murray was fantastic in this final however on the couple of occasions were he should have hit winners he bottled it, that was huge in the end.

Federer's movement is incredible and his forehand is out of this world, he and Laver stand as the two greatest players of all time, and he is only about to become 31.

Murray will win a major, he is improving all the time and i hope he does win one, that said I wish he would relax and smile once in a while, after all he has everything he could ever possibly need or want and it wouldnt kill him to take the sour look of his face now and again.

I dont think he needs to smile and I admire his 100% focus. If it was me I'd be checking out every bird in centre court.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: trileacman on July 08, 2012, 11:30:40 PM
I know very little about tennis but I'd have to say that Federer seems like the most talented of any of the players I've seen, the others mostly seem to make up the gap with him by being fitter and stronger. Nadal especially seems to be just an athlete and nowhere near as technically gifted as Djokovic or Federer.

Murray is decent but could you see him beating Djokovic, Federer or Nadal in another Grand Slam final? Federer looks his best bet at beating one of them and he couldn't do it. Murray isn't a smart enough player either. Early in the match he chased a lot of lost causes whereas Federer seemed to choose his rallies that he needed.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Bill Haven on July 08, 2012, 11:50:15 PM
I'd rate Murray's chances of picking up a slam at about 50:50.

I certainly believe he'll get his chances in the next couple of years.

Nadal has dodgy knees and Djokovic is looking increasingly human after his insane run in 2011 and early this year.

Also Federer is getting older. He's a step slower than he was at his peak but his natural movement and quickness off the mark on grass hides it. His age will be more apparent at the other slams.

Most importantly, the age profile of the sport has changed dramatically in the last 5 years. The average age of the top 100 is over 27 for the first time. (It was more like 24 in 80s and 90s).

In the past it was common to see teenagers winning majors. With the increased physicality of the game and greater depth globally, talented youngsters are taking much longer to break through.

There's just a single teenager in the top 175 in the world, something that would have been inconceivable even 5 years ago.

All of this means that for the next two years, the current top 4 should continue to dominate with the occasional big runs from the usual suspects like Berdych, Tsonga and Soderling if he ever recovers from illness.

Juan Martin Del Potro should become a contender again but the best of the young generation (the likes of Bernard Tomic and Milos Raonic) will need at least two years development to become potential major winners in my opinion.

Anyways, apologies for the long winded post but I think Murray can take more positives than negatives from today's performance and there's no need to believe that he's missed the boat just yet.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 08, 2012, 11:54:19 PM
I know very little about tennis but I'd have to say that Federer seems like the most talented of any of the players I've seen, the others mostly seem to make up the gap with him by being fitter and stronger. Nadal especially seems to be just an athlete and nowhere near as technically gifted as Djokovic or Federer.

Murray is decent but could you see him beating Djokovic, Federer or Nadal in another Grand Slam final? Federer looks his best bet at beating one of them and he couldn't do it. Murray isn't a smart enough player either. Early in the match he chased a lot of lost causes whereas Federer seemed to choose his rallies that he needed.
Tiger Woods tweeted earlier that Federer is the #GOAT. He hardly ever seems to get flustered or even be out of breath. Perfect combination of brain, athleticism and skill - his forehand is something else.

I honestly think Murray will win one soon, might not be the romanticism of Wimbledon for his first slam but could nail one on in the Australian first.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 09, 2012, 12:31:47 AM
Federer reminds me of me to be honest.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 09, 2012, 01:01:55 AM
Federer reminds me of me to be honest.
The big nose and the huge bank balance?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nifan on July 09, 2012, 08:17:48 AM
I like murray - he doesnt try to perform all the time to the medias expectations like tim henman - hes focused on his sport but he has a real sarcastic sense of humour too with the media, when they want emotion.
Made yesterdays emotion at the end more real too - you know he doesn't put the tears on at the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 09, 2012, 09:20:54 AM
Federer reminds me of me to be honest.
The big nose and the huge bank balance?
Either being the father of twins or having a mop of thick dark hair.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on July 09, 2012, 11:10:32 AM
I like Murray...he doesn't seem to have much time for all the media bollocks and is not Tiger Tim, though he is 10 times the player Henman was.

Federder is a genius though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 09, 2012, 11:24:06 AM


Federder is a genius though.

I think that's how the announcer pronounced it too when handing over the trophy.

Around 59 seconds. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7dseNuNqpw
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on July 09, 2012, 11:50:09 AM


Federder is a genius though.

I think that's how the announcer pronounced it too when handing over the trophy.

Around 59 seconds. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7dseNuNqpw

I got a bit mixed up, I meant Anton Federder in the other thread...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: johnneycool on July 09, 2012, 11:51:35 AM
Federer reminds me of me to be honest.
The big nose and the huge bank balance?
Either being the father of twins or having a mop of thick dark hair.

Or the appalling fashion sense?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on July 09, 2012, 12:42:44 PM
Good piece by Charlie Brooker in the Guardian about Andy Murray (written before yesterday's match)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/08/andy-murray-not-miserable-just-normal

Congratulations to Andy Murray, who either did or didn't win Wimbledon this afternoon. Since I'm writing this almost immediately before the match itself kicks off, I've got no way of knowing what the outcome was. Is. Will be. Whatever.

I think I can safely predict one thing, though: whatever happens, win or lose, in the post-game interview, he won't do a double thumbs-up, gurn joyously down the lens, waggle his tongue around like Gazza, then moonwalk off, waving, grinning, and making comedy trombone noises. That's not the Andy Murray we know and sort of love.

People say Murray's miserable because he doesn't smile very often. He's not miserable. He's normal. Have you walked down a street recently? Any street in the country? Go on, pick one. Take a stroll. Bring a notepad. Make a note each time you spot someone walking around beaming like they just taught their dog to shit money. Chances are you'll cross six postcodes before you glimpse so much as a smirk. Which isn't to say people are inherently unhappy. Just that they've got better things to do with their faces than walking around bending their mouths up like idiots.

The people who want Murray to smile are the same ones who try to make me dance at weddings. They want the world to conspicuously enjoy itself in a manner of their choosing, and they turn vaguely sanctimonious when they encounter pockets of resistance, as though their definition of fun is the only one that matters.

So Murray isn't going to win the Merryville Festival of Grins any time soon. What difference does it make to you, you needy pricks? Can't he just play tennis without having to turn around after each point and pull a happy face just for you, like he's your dad watering plants in the garden and you're a toddler watching him through the kitchen window? What do you want, a tennis champion or Mister Tumble? Make your mind up, because you're not getting both.

Perhaps part of the confusion is that despite being very much in the public eye, Murray refuses to play along with the patronising emotionalism demanded by the media, where sporting stars are expected to put on showy displays of "passion" that look good in a highlights package at the end of the show. If you're not a natural cartwheels-of-victory type, it must be a pain in the arse to know everyone's expectantly gauging your reaction. You know how when you're opening a birthday present in front of a crowd, all your brain can do is scream: "FOR GOD'S SAKE LOOK DELIGHTED!" at you? Multiply that by ten million. I'd say Murray's ability to ignore this pressure is almost more impressive than his racquet skills.

Moments after beating Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in the semi-final, Murray was interviewed by the BBC's Garry Richardson, who found himself repeatedly trying to squeeze some kind of rousing sentiment from a man intent on describing the game in technical terms, like a straight-faced IT consultant explaining how he fixed a problem with the server.

After trying and failing to get him to describe the match as a rollercoaster of emotions, Richardson brought up Murray's mum and dad, who'd been sitting in the audience. "What can it possibly have been like, Andy, for your parents watching there?" he asked, presumably hoping to prompt a moment of choked-up pride. Murray handed him a cold stone in return.

"I've no idea," he replied, deadpan. "I'm not really that bothered. It's a lot harder for me, that's for sure." And there was a glimmer of a dark smirk at the end, the kind that doesn't register in a world in which all emotions must be expressible as emoticons and interior happiness is required to be rendered visible from a range of 200 metres.

That's precisely the kind of sporting hero we need. One who's allergic to bullshit and treats the whole thing like a job that rather than a tear-jerked spiritual calling. He seems to want to ignore the media. Trouble is, he's so bloody good at tennis, the media can't ignore him. But like a bluebottle repeatedly bashing its face against a windowpane, it continually tries and fails to turn him into yet another easily digested celebrity. "Celebrity" is increasingly the only role the media can process, yet it's a role in which Murray looks about as comfortable as a dog on rollerblades.

In the run-up to the Wimbledon final (which, at the risk of repeating myself, hasn't happened at the time of writing), press and broadcasters alike routinely described Murray as some kind of symbolic vessel containing all British hope. All our dreams, all our aspirations Ė all on his shoulders, apparently. Poor f**ker.

The strong implication was that if he won, it'd solve all our national neuroses at a stroke: like England won Euro 2012, like Barclays behaved, like Diana never died. We'd be commanded to stand outside collectively waving union flags as though trying to attract the attention of some huge intergalactic queen bee hovering somewhere above the atmosphere. But if, on the other hand, he lost we'd either tut and say it's typical Ė because we're allowed to be grouchy, but the people we pointlessly entrust with our sense of national self-worth aren't Ė or, more likely, be expected to sit soggy-eyed watching a slow-motion montage of his disappointed face, cut to something mournful-but-unthreatening with a hint of Coldplay about it. Because if he won't supply the emotion, goddamit, we'll make the soundtrack do it on his behalf
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 09, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
Thon Garry Richardson fella is a terrible interviewer. I think it was him interviewing Rosol after beating Nadal and when asked how he felt after beating a legend like Nadal, Rosol (obviously dying to escape) said it hadn't sunk in and he couldn't describe it. Richardson, not taking the hint, then asked him how he felt before the match with Nadal  ??? Knob!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ludermor on July 09, 2012, 01:54:15 PM
Good piece by Charlie Brooker in the Guardian about Andy Murray (written before yesterday's match)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/08/andy-murray-not-miserable-just-normal


After trying and failing to get him to describe the match as a rollercoaster of emotions, Richardson brought up Murray's mum and dad, who'd been sitting in the audience. "What can it possibly have been like, Andy, for your parents watching there?" he asked, presumably hoping to prompt a moment of choked-up pride. Murray handed him a cold stone in return.

"I've no idea," he replied, deadpan. "I'm not really that bothered. It's a lot harder for me, that's for sure." And there was a glimmer of a dark smirk at the end, the kind that doesn't register in a world in which all emotions must be expressible as emoticons and interior happiness is required to be rendered visible from a range of 200 metres.


That was cringworthy alright and i loved Murrays response.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Bill Haven on July 09, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
Richardon is arguably the biggest twat in sports broadcasting. No exaggeration.

He interviewed Marcos Baghdatis after he trounced Murray in 2006 in I think the third round.

Richardson: "So Marcos, surely this is the biggest win of your career!?"

Baghdatis: "Ehhh...well....I reached the Australian Open final a few months ago. I had some bigger wins there."

Richardson: "But this is WIMBLEDON for heaven's sake!!!"


He's OBSESSED with the royal family too.

1st question to federer after quarter-final this year: "Did you raise your game knowing there were so many royal dignitaries present?"

To Murray last year: "So how did it feel to play in front of William and Kate?"

He's a complete cretin. An absolute disgrace to the sport
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on July 09, 2012, 03:01:14 PM
Richardon is arguably the biggest t**t in sports broadcasting. No exaggeration.

Ah come on.





Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 09, 2012, 04:41:52 PM
According to the BBC website, Andy Murray is 'more determined than ever' to win a Grand Slam.

Does that mean he wasnt fully determined previously?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 09, 2012, 10:59:15 PM
According to the BBC website, Andy Murray is 'more determined than ever' to win a Grand Slam.

Does that mean he wasnt fully determined previously?
Upping his game from a full 100% to an Apprentice-style 110%!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on July 09, 2012, 11:28:18 PM
According to the BBC website, Andy Murray is 'more determined than ever' to win a Grand Slam.

Does that mean he wasnt fully determined previously?

Ah it's media speak for the fans.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 10, 2012, 11:39:52 PM
Murray 2-0 up
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 10, 2012, 11:41:41 PM
Murray 2-0 up
Hateful cnut.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 10, 2012, 11:45:54 PM
Was only sayin like.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 10, 2012, 11:47:33 PM
Was only sayin like.
;D funny guy.

Him, not you  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 10, 2012, 11:57:33 PM
Who did Murray just shout "take your time you dick" to?

At 2-0 and 1-1 in the third he's no need to be losing the bap.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2012, 12:29:26 AM
Murray wilting. Complaining about everything and anything now.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 11, 2012, 12:31:31 AM
Murray wilting. Complaining about everything and anything now.

At one stage the commentator called it 'a rout'. Ridiculous!!! Djokovic is a proven winner and has done it time and time again. Murray ain't done shit yet. I think he's good enough but he's letting this opportunity slip at present.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2012, 12:35:55 AM
Some collapse by Murray if he doesn't find a second wind. Djokovic is watching him melt at the other side of the court. Injured?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2012, 01:00:28 AM
Some great tennis now. Murray has steadied himself a bit.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 11, 2012, 01:02:33 AM
Class stuff alright. It's gladiator shit out there now the 2 lads must be dead on their feet!

I want Murray to win at this stage now I'm dying to get to bed!!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2012, 01:06:32 AM
Murray winning his own serve handy now. Close to breaking him too.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 11, 2012, 01:15:56 AM
Murray winning his own serve handy now. Close to breaking him too.

Fcuk that!!! This better be a 6-0 for either player so I can get in the pit!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2012, 01:18:51 AM
I'm bate. Will know in 6 hours.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 11, 2012, 01:35:23 AM
I'm bate. Will know in 6 hours.

Lightweight!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: All of a Sludden on September 11, 2012, 01:36:43 AM
3-0 to Murray in the final set, all over bar the shouting.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2012, 01:39:08 AM
I wouldn't write Djokovic off but Murray played some great stuff in the first 3 games of that final set.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2012, 01:41:52 AM
Djokovic breaks back - some match!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: All of a Sludden on September 11, 2012, 01:48:03 AM
3-2
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: All of a Sludden on September 11, 2012, 01:49:47 AM
I knew I'd seen Murray's mum before.



Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: dillinger on September 11, 2012, 01:58:10 AM
Hope he wins this set, i want to go to bed.

Think Murray is about to be British again by the press.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 11, 2012, 02:04:59 AM
Murray  YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, SUCK ON THAT ALL you murray haters, yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: heganboy on September 11, 2012, 02:07:30 AM
That was epic! Great sport, great viewing...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2012, 02:10:22 AM
Well done Murray - great stuff! Worth staying up for, amazing match!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 11, 2012, 02:12:45 AM
Top 4 won all 4 grand slams this yr, unreal stuff from murray, character and mental resolve, delighted for him....yes
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ross4life on September 11, 2012, 02:17:33 AM
Fair play to Murray he wiped away the tears of Wimbledon to produce the goods tonight. At least the Brits can stop talking about Fred Perry now.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: LeoMc on September 11, 2012, 08:46:25 AM
Top 4 won all 4 grand slams this yr, unreal stuff from murray, character and mental resolve, delighted for him....yes

4 Grand slams with 4 different winners and no-one looking like dominating. Keeps it fresh.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: LeoMc on September 11, 2012, 08:46:57 AM
Fair play to Murray he wiped away the tears of Wimbledon to produce the goods tonight. At least the Brits can stop talking about Fred Perry now.

A bit of pressure on Bradley for SPOTY now.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on September 11, 2012, 09:03:57 AM
Fair play to Murray.  Glad for him.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2012, 09:12:44 AM
Aye you couldn't begrudge him it, has been knocking on the door long enough.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 11, 2012, 09:15:17 AM
Fair play to Murray he wiped away the tears of Wimbledon to produce the goods tonight. At least the Brits can stop talking about Fred Perry now.

A bit of pressure on Bradley for SPOTY now.

I think he was going to get it tight anyway with Mo, Jess and Rory all in with a shout of getting it. If McIlroy wins the FedEx and he plays well in the Ryder Cup he's bound to be in with a shout!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Denn Forever on September 11, 2012, 09:28:11 AM
Well done Andy.  No one can say that one was a gimme.

Was further impressed by him when he was in the audience of Mock the Week after losing in Wimbledon.  Took the ribbing from the panel well (there was a lot).
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: LeoMc on September 11, 2012, 09:46:15 AM
Well done Andy.  No one can say that one was a gimme.

Was further impressed by him when he was in the audience of Mock the Week after losing in Wimbledon.  Took the ribbing from the panel well (there was a lot).

Dara O'Briain is on twitter taking credit for the win. :)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Declan on September 11, 2012, 10:06:40 AM
Fair play to him for seeing that one out. good mental strength
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on September 11, 2012, 10:41:46 AM
Not bad going for a lad who doesn't even like tennis, but is scared to tell his mother.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on September 11, 2012, 10:47:50 AM
Top 4 won all 4 grand slams this yr, unreal stuff from murray, character and mental resolve, delighted for him....yes

4 Grand slams with 4 different winners and no-one looking like dominating. Keeps it fresh.

Nadal has missed a lot this year though.  When he is back from injury the next few years will be dominated by himself and Djokovic.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on September 11, 2012, 10:55:14 AM
I will never make it as a tennis analyst.

I sat up until Andy had lost the fourth set, and thought, ah, he's gonna loose again. So i went on to bed. D'oh!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on September 11, 2012, 10:55:29 AM
Top 4 won all 4 grand slams this yr, unreal stuff from murray, character and mental resolve, delighted for him....yes

4 Grand slams with 4 different winners and no-one looking like dominating. Keeps it fresh.

Nadal has missed a lot this year though.  When he is back from injury the next few years will be dominated by himself and Djokovic.

I wouldnt be so sure - theres no guarantee that Nadal will come back from injury to be the force he was and I have a feeling that Murray could go from strength to strength after this. His improvement over the last 12 months has been immense and if he can keep improving he could maintain an equal place amongst the big 2 (or 3) for the next few years.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Declan on September 11, 2012, 11:39:30 AM
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Not bad going for a lad who doesn't even like tennis, but is scared to tell his mother.
:D

Whatever about the first part I'd say you could add the tennis Mom phenomenon to the well known tennis Dad one in  this case
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on September 11, 2012, 12:01:26 PM
Was his Dad at the final?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on September 11, 2012, 12:04:07 PM
Top 4 won all 4 grand slams this yr, unreal stuff from murray, character and mental resolve, delighted for him....yes

4 Grand slams with 4 different winners and no-one looking like dominating. Keeps it fresh.

Nadal has missed a lot this year though.  When he is back from injury the next few years will be dominated by himself and Djokovic.

I wouldnt be so sure - theres no guarantee that Nadal will come back from injury to be the force he was and I have a feeling that Murray could go from strength to strength after this. His improvement over the last 12 months has been immense and if he can keep improving he could maintain an equal place amongst the big 2 (or 3) for the next few years.
Ya nadals game is based on power and wearing down his opponent in a very physical way, he uses every fibre of his body to the max and it was eventually gonna break down although he has improved his serve and volley to win easier points, but usually its rally after rally shootouts, hes out for a few more months and will take a while to get back to full form, the other thing is he is world no4 and dropping the longer he is out so it means it will get harder draws, Murray is on the up, hes had some summer, wimbledon final, gold at olympics and now winning US open, murrays or Djokovic are in line for world no1 by the end of the yr as federer hasnt much ranking points to get (and hes 31 so hasnt too much left in tank), and bearing in mind the masters finals are on hardcourt in london and Australian open is one of murray best tournaments every year hes in a great position especially mentally. In fairness considering his history of losing finals and djokovic coming back to level at 2-2 sets all, that some last set.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on September 11, 2012, 12:07:08 PM
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Not bad going for a lad who doesn't even like tennis, but is scared to tell his mother.
:D

Whatever about the first part I'd say you could add the tennis Mom phenomenon to the well known tennis Dad one in  this case

I have to confess it wasn't original - I saw some stand-up use it on the Edinburgh festival highlights.

Another bloke had a very good line on soccer: It draws the poison from Saturday afternoons, so that decent people can go shopping, safe in the knowledge that the dangerous unsocialised have been lured into vast holding pens on the outskirts of town, where those wearing different colours go at each other like budgies at a mirror.

Same bloke: John terry always reminds me of skiing: a waste of money, likely to break your leg and the eyes are too close together.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Forever Green on September 11, 2012, 12:10:26 PM
Andy Murray is one dour looking b**tard. I feel sorry for his lovely looking women
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Billys Boots on September 11, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
Must be time (at last) for the Monty Python Scottish Tennis Players sketch(es).  Voila!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVbb6pZLfzU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVbb6pZLfzU)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: front of the mountain on September 11, 2012, 12:48:12 PM
Frankie Boyle on twitter: Brilliant Andy Murray. "When we think of this date we will always remember your historic victory"
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 11, 2012, 08:05:47 PM
Murray's bill that night:


Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on September 11, 2012, 08:22:06 PM
Andy Murray is one dour looking b**tard. I feel sorry for his lovely looking women

That is not fair. Have you ever seen how dour some soccer players are? Why dont you have a go at them?

On the court, Andy is focussed. Off the court it is different.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 11, 2012, 08:39:18 PM
Murray's bill that night:



He did alright there. That is a light bill for 30 people. Mustn't have been many other Jocks in the party.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on September 11, 2012, 08:43:03 PM
Andy Murray is one dour looking b**tard. I feel sorry for his lovely looking women

The Scottish are dour people in general though. Alex ferguson, much as I like Utd, Fergie is dour.
Paul Lawrie - Golfer. Stephen Hendry - Snooker. Chris Paterson - Rugby, and Charlie Adam who tried to play for Liverpool.

At least Murray could get past the semi final stage in a tournament, unlike Timothy Henman.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2012, 08:49:36 PM
Murray's bill that night:



He did alright there. That is a light bill for 30 people. Mustn't have been many other Jocks in the party.

I read that the lemon soda was all Murray had.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 11, 2012, 08:53:10 PM
I think the 17 zesty martinis were Fergie's.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on September 11, 2012, 08:59:18 PM
That was some discount he got.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on September 12, 2012, 07:55:06 AM
I think the 17 zesty martinis were Fergie's.

Sean Connery's maybe?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on September 12, 2012, 08:59:48 AM
I think the 17 zesty martinis were Fergie's.

Sean Connery's maybe?
I see what you did there  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on January 21, 2013, 01:23:51 PM
I see our adopted Irish girl Caroline Wozniacki didnt make it to the Quarterfinals :-(
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on January 21, 2013, 01:38:26 PM
I see our adopted Irish girl Caroline Wozniacki didnt make it to the Quarterfinals :-(

Now that she's lost she's British. ;)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on January 21, 2013, 04:03:00 PM
I see our adopted Irish girl Caroline Wozniacki didnt make it to the Quarterfinals :-(

Now that she's lost she's British. ;)

lol
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AQMP on January 25, 2013, 12:45:19 PM
Murray beats Federer in 5 sets.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on January 25, 2013, 12:47:30 PM
Excellent!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2013, 01:07:31 PM
Was a cracking display by Murray, will be up against it on Sunday. Will he be a Brit or a Scot come Sunday afternoon? No doubt Steven Watson will be there ready to throw him an Ulster fleg!!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 25, 2013, 01:42:01 PM
Murray is doing well at the minute but it seems that his recent run of succes would have a lot to do with the state of mens tennis at the minute.  Its been a long number of years since there has been as few top, top players who are really challenging for titles.  At the minute you really only have Federer who has been on the slide the past few years and Djokovic to compete with to win the majors.  Nadal has been out for so long that it is doubtful if he will come back as good as he was, he will probably suffer a similar fate to Lleyton Hewitt in that the way they both played the game ultimately causes several serious enough injuries which reduce the atheltic ability they require to play such an intense style.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 25, 2013, 02:12:59 PM
Murray is doing well at the minute but it seems that his recent run of succes would have a lot to do with the state of mens tennis at the minute.  Its been a long number of years since there has been as few top, top players who are really challenging for titles.  At the minute you really only have Federer who has been on the slide the past few years and Djokovic to compete with to win the majors.  Nadal has been out for so long that it is doubtful if he will come back as good as he was, he will probably suffer a similar fate to Lleyton Hewitt in that the way they both played the game ultimately causes several serious enough injuries which reduce the atheltic ability they require to play such an intense style.

Nonsense. Currently, Nadal's injury aside, you have four players (yes, including Andy Murray) who equally competive across all surfaces and are likely to go down as some of the greatest in history. At the end of their careers, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic could be 1, 2 and 3 in any order.

I wouldn't rule Nadal out just yet - he's a far superior tennis player and athlete than Hewitt ever was. He was out for a lengthy period following his loss in the the French in June 2009, came back in the US in September and made the semis while clearly not in the best shape. In 2010 he went on to have the best year of his career. His knees and the tendonitis have been worries for years and I think the team are making 100% sure he's over it before bringing him back. If he comes back as expected in the next few months he'll hope to get a few hard court tournaments going in the States to find his was back before trying to gain competitiveness and confidence during the clay court season.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 25, 2013, 02:32:44 PM
Murray is doing well at the minute but it seems that his recent run of succes would have a lot to do with the state of mens tennis at the minute.  Its been a long number of years since there has been as few top, top players who are really challenging for titles.  At the minute you really only have Federer who has been on the slide the past few years and Djokovic to compete with to win the majors.  Nadal has been out for so long that it is doubtful if he will come back as good as he was, he will probably suffer a similar fate to Lleyton Hewitt in that the way they both played the game ultimately causes several serious enough injuries which reduce the atheltic ability they require to play such an intense style.

Nonsense. Currently, Nadal's injury aside, you have four players (yes, including Andy Murray) who equally competive across all surfaces and are likely to go down as some of the greatest in history. At the end of their careers, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic could be 1, 2 and 3 in any order.

I wouldn't rule Nadal out just yet - he's a far superior tennis player and athlete than Hewitt ever was. He was out for a lengthy period following his loss in the the French in June 2009, came back in the US in September and made the semis while clearly not in the best shape. In 2010 he went on to have the best year of his career. His knees and the tendonitis have been worries for years and I think the team are making 100% sure he's over it before bringing him back. If he comes back as expected in the next few months he'll hope to get a few hard court tournaments going in the States to find his was back before trying to gain competitiveness and confidence during the clay court season.

of the four you are talking about, Federer is past his best and Nadal has been out for a long time as you mentioned.  The past year has seen Murray do better and I would say that its been made easier due to Nadals absence and Federer's slide.  Its really been Djokovic v Murray and apart from the top 4 there is a level playing field of averageness below them.  Compare that to 10 or 20 years ago when you had a lot of top quality players.  Nadal and Federer will go down as all time greats, Djokovic has a lot to do yet to get into that bracket but I feel he could well do it and Murray hasn't a hope of being remembered as an all time great.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 25, 2013, 02:48:08 PM
Murray is doing well at the minute but it seems that his recent run of succes would have a lot to do with the state of mens tennis at the minute.  Its been a long number of years since there has been as few top, top players who are really challenging for titles.  At the minute you really only have Federer who has been on the slide the past few years and Djokovic to compete with to win the majors.  Nadal has been out for so long that it is doubtful if he will come back as good as he was, he will probably suffer a similar fate to Lleyton Hewitt in that the way they both played the game ultimately causes several serious enough injuries which reduce the atheltic ability they require to play such an intense style.

Nonsense. Currently, Nadal's injury aside, you have four players (yes, including Andy Murray) who equally competive across all surfaces and are likely to go down as some of the greatest in history. At the end of their careers, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic could be 1, 2 and 3 in any order.

I wouldn't rule Nadal out just yet - he's a far superior tennis player and athlete than Hewitt ever was. He was out for a lengthy period following his loss in the the French in June 2009, came back in the US in September and made the semis while clearly not in the best shape. In 2010 he went on to have the best year of his career. His knees and the tendonitis have been worries for years and I think the team are making 100% sure he's over it before bringing him back. If he comes back as expected in the next few months he'll hope to get a few hard court tournaments going in the States to find his was back before trying to gain competitiveness and confidence during the clay court season.

of the four you are talking about, Federer is past his best and Nadal has been out for a long time as you mentioned.  The past year has seen Murray do better and I would say that its been made easier due to Nadals absence and Federer's slide.  Its really been Djokovic v Murray and apart from the top 4 there is a level playing field of averageness below them.  Compare that to 10 or 20 years ago when you had a lot of top quality players.  Nadal and Federer will go down as all time greats, Djokovic has a lot to do yet to get into that bracket but I feel he could well do it and Murray hasn't a hope of being remembered as an all time great.

Ten years ago, Sampras was finished and Agassi was in his twilight years. Federer, Hewitt, Safin and Roddick were the rising stars. Hewitt fell away fairly quickly after a blistering couple of years and Safin never had the mental strength to be the player he should have been. Roddick was never quite at the level required and while he probably deserved a Wimbledon title here or there, his game was limited.

In the last 20 years, the only players who can be considered on a par with the likes of Nadal, Federer and Djokovic were Agassi and Sampras. Sampras couldn't compete on clay and Agassi wasted what should have been his best years. Pat Rafter was the player who probably came closest to the pair of them.

Djokovic has very little to do to get himself into the all time bracket. He's been the undisputed best player in the world for nigh on two years and in 2011 put together one of the most spectacular season's in memory.

Federer may be past his best but he is still consistently excellent and on his day can beat absolutely anyone.

Murray's 2012 was largely due to Nadal being injured? Horseshit - Murray has beaten Nadal in his prime on multiple occasions, including Grand Slams. He convincingly won his first GS and picked up an Olympic gold - mere weeks after being devastated at losing to Federer in the Wimbledon final. While Murray hasn't had the sustained success of the other 3, the talent is clearly there for him to be a multiple grand slam champion. As for him "not having a hope" of being an all-time great, you're talking through your arse. He routinely hands out whippings to the other three and in turn, they are the only ones who routinely whip him. You have four absolutely outstanding players at the top and you claim men's tennis was in a better state in the 90s. Laughable.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Wee Roddy on January 25, 2013, 04:12:25 PM
That is a great posts gallsman. I agree entirely. Absolute horseshit
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 25, 2013, 04:54:23 PM
I didn't say Murray only won in 2012 because of Nadal being injured, but obviously it was a huge help because there would have been a good chance of them facing each other and Nadal has a brilliant record against Murray, only losing a few times whilst racking up a lot of wins. 

Throughout the 90's you had a group of players along with Sampras and Agassi challenging at the top on the various surfaces in mens tennis with the like of Edberg, Chang, Becker, Stich, Courier, Martin, Muster, Ivanisevic, Brugera, Rafter, Moya, Kafelnikov and Rios.  At the minute the standard of player is not as high, and my point was that Murray is in position now where he has only a fading Federer and Djokovic to compete against.  Djokovic has had a brilliant few years but he would need another few grand slams to be talked about as an all time great.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on January 25, 2013, 06:11:21 PM
Murray is doing well at the minute but it seems that his recent run of succes would have a lot to do with the state of mens tennis at the minute.  Its been a long number of years since there has been as few top, top players who are really challenging for titles.  At the minute you really only have Federer who has been on the slide the past few years and Djokovic to compete with to win the majors.  Nadal has been out for so long that it is doubtful if he will come back as good as he was, he will probably suffer a similar fate to Lleyton Hewitt in that the way they both played the game ultimately causes several serious enough injuries which reduce the atheltic ability they require to play such an intense style.

Nonsense. Currently, Nadal's injury aside, you have four players (yes, including Andy Murray) who equally competive across all surfaces and are likely to go down as some of the greatest in history. At the end of their careers, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic could be 1, 2 and 3 in any order.

I wouldn't rule Nadal out just yet - he's a far superior tennis player and athlete than Hewitt ever was. He was out for a lengthy period following his loss in the the French in June 2009, came back in the US in September and made the semis while clearly not in the best shape. In 2010 he went on to have the best year of his career. His knees and the tendonitis have been worries for years and I think the team are making 100% sure he's over it before bringing him back. If he comes back as expected in the next few months he'll hope to get a few hard court tournaments going in the States to find his was back before trying to gain competitiveness and confidence during the clay court season.

of the four you are talking about, Federer is past his best and Nadal has been out for a long time as you mentioned.  The past year has seen Murray do better and I would say that its been made easier due to Nadals absence and Federer's slide.  Its really been Djokovic v Murray and apart from the top 4 there is a level playing field of averageness below them.  Compare that to 10 or 20 years ago when you had a lot of top quality players.  Nadal and Federer will go down as all time greats, Djokovic has a lot to do yet to get into that bracket but I feel he could well do it and Murray hasn't a hope of being remembered as an all time great.

Ten years ago, Sampras was finished and Agassi was in his twilight years. Federer, Hewitt, Safin and Roddick were the rising stars. Hewitt fell away fairly quickly after a blistering couple of years and Safin never had the mental strength to be the player he should have been. Roddick was never quite at the level required and while he probably deserved a Wimbledon title here or there, his game was limited.

In the last 20 years, the only players who can be considered on a par with the likes of Nadal, Federer and Djokovic were Agassi and Sampras. Sampras couldn't compete on clay and Agassi wasted what should have been his best years. Pat Rafter was the player who probably came closest to the pair of them.

Djokovic has very little to do to get himself into the all time bracket. He's been the undisputed best player in the world for nigh on two years and in 2011 put together one of the most spectacular season's in memory.

Federer may be past his best but he is still consistently excellent and on his day can beat absolutely anyone.

Murray's 2012 was largely due to Nadal being injured? Horseshit - Murray has beaten Nadal in his prime on multiple occasions, including Grand Slams. He convincingly won his first GS and picked up an Olympic gold - mere weeks after being devastated at losing to Federer in the Wimbledon final. While Murray hasn't had the sustained success of the other 3, the talent is clearly there for him to be a multiple grand slam champion. As for him "not having a hope" of being an all-time great, you're talking through your arse. He routinely hands out whippings to the other three and in turn, they are the only ones who routinely whip him. You have four absolutely outstanding players at the top and you claim men's tennis was in a better state in the 90s. Laughable.

+1
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on January 25, 2013, 10:24:37 PM
Murray is doing well at the minute but it seems that his recent run of succes would have a lot to do with the state of mens tennis at the minute.  Its been a long number of years since there has been as few top, top players who are really challenging for titles.  At the minute you really only have Federer who has been on the slide the past few years and Djokovic to compete with to win the majors.  Nadal has been out for so long that it is doubtful if he will come back as good as he was, he will probably suffer a similar fate to Lleyton Hewitt in that the way they both played the game ultimately causes several serious enough injuries which reduce the atheltic ability they require to play such an intense style.

Nonsense. Currently, Nadal's injury aside, you have four players (yes, including Andy Murray) who equally competive across all surfaces and are likely to go down as some of the greatest in history. At the end of their careers, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic could be 1, 2 and 3 in any order.

I wouldn't rule Nadal out just yet - he's a far superior tennis player and athlete than Hewitt ever was. He was out for a lengthy period following his loss in the the French in June 2009, came back in the US in September and made the semis while clearly not in the best shape. In 2010 he went on to have the best year of his career. His knees and the tendonitis have been worries for years and I think the team are making 100% sure he's over it before bringing him back. If he comes back as expected in the next few months he'll hope to get a few hard court tournaments going in the States to find his was back before trying to gain competitiveness and confidence during the clay court season.

of the four you are talking about, Federer is past his best and Nadal has been out for a long time as you mentioned.  The past year has seen Murray do better and I would say that its been made easier due to Nadals absence and Federer's slide.  Its really been Djokovic v Murray and apart from the top 4 there is a level playing field of averageness below them.  Compare that to 10 or 20 years ago when you had a lot of top quality players.  Nadal and Federer will go down as all time greats, Djokovic has a lot to do yet to get into that bracket but I feel he could well do it and Murray hasn't a hope of being remembered as an all time great.

Oh no, surely not. Nadal a fine player and virtually unbeatable in Paris, but Djoko has beaten him on clay, and his game relies so much on power that it was inevitable that he would suffer injury at some point in his career. I think Fed and Djoko are ahead of him in tennis ability and the latter has really moved into the realms of the great over the past couple of years, c. 2011 season and wins over Nadal in Oz last year and Wawrinka this year; a ferocious and durable competitor to say the least.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: JimStynes on January 26, 2013, 12:37:23 AM
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Some interesting reading
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Rois on January 27, 2013, 10:24:19 AM
So Murray is a set up and second is going with serve, though Murray should have taken Djok's first game. Really hope Murray wins this.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 27, 2013, 10:30:16 AM
So Murray is a set up and second is going with serve, though Murray should have taken Djok's first game. Really hope Murray wins this.
I really hope he doesn't.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: theticklemister on January 27, 2013, 10:31:52 AM
If he wins he is British

If he loses he's Scottish
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Rois on January 27, 2013, 10:50:07 AM
I realize I'm in a tiny minority who always supports Murray.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 27, 2013, 10:52:14 AM
If he wins he is British

If he loses he's Scottish

This must be the most boring phrase in sport!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: theticklemister on January 27, 2013, 10:56:20 AM
If he wins he is British

If he loses he's Scottish

This must be the most boring phrase in sport!

Still works my old mucker!!!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2013, 12:34:38 PM
Djokovic too good today, he looked fresher at the end than at the start.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: rodney trotter on January 27, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
Djokovic battled back when it looked like it was he was going to be 2-0 in sets, to make it 1-1 each. He was different class from then on. Top player.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on January 27, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
I realize I'm in a tiny minority who always supports Murray.

There are a few of us.

Not good enough today though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: rrhf on January 27, 2013, 01:15:43 PM
Right which of you fcukers shot the goose
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on January 27, 2013, 01:41:12 PM
Right which of you fcukers shot the goose

Bit early for the sauce rrhf?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on January 27, 2013, 02:37:41 PM
I realize I'm in a tiny minority who always supports Murray.

There are a few of us.

Not good enough today though.

I'm another Murray fan. Disappointed for him
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 27, 2013, 02:40:56 PM
I realize I'm in a tiny minority who always supports Murray.

There are a few of us.

Not good enough today though.

I'm another Murray fan. Disappointed for him
Yep, me too. He was playing great stuff until the middle of the 2nd set, looked unstoppable.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2013, 02:45:26 PM
I realize I'm in a tiny minority who always supports Murray.

There are a few of us.

Not good enough today though.

I'm another Murray fan. Disappointed for him
Yep, me too. He was playing great stuff until the middle of the 2nd set, looked unstoppable.

Don't think you can say he looked unstoppable, he never broke Djokovic the whole match.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: midLouth on January 27, 2013, 02:53:28 PM
Sounds like he has a lot of pity fans! Don't like him at all.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ballinaman on January 27, 2013, 03:02:15 PM
I realize I'm in a tiny minority who always supports Murray.

There are a few of us.

Not good enough today though.

I'm another Murray fan. Disappointed for him
Yep, me too. He was playing great stuff until the middle of the 2nd set, looked unstoppable.

Don't think you can say he looked unstoppable, he never broke Djokovic the whole match.
True, thought Djokovic didn't seem to be playing like himself more than Murray dominating...Djokovic bouncing his racket ect, was looking frustrated. Class entertainment for a Sunday morning.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2013, 03:24:04 PM
I realize I'm in a tiny minority who always supports Murray.

There are a few of us.

Not good enough today though.

I'm another Murray fan. Disappointed for him
Yep, me too. He was playing great stuff until the middle of the 2nd set, looked unstoppable.

Don't think you can say he looked unstoppable, he never broke Djokovic the whole match.
True, thought Djokovic didn't seem to be playing like himself more than Murray dominating...Djokovic bouncing his racket ect, was looking frustrated. Class entertainment for a Sunday morning.

It got me through overtime in work !
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2013, 06:50:26 PM
Murray played well, there's no doubting the class of Djokovic, 6 majors tells you that. Murray had a real chance at love 40 up in the second set and just let it go.

Murray will win a few more finals there is no doubt in that. Was a good morning watch, followe that up while watching my daughter play a tournament watch Leeds and had a few beers in the pavilion also!! Nice Sunday's
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: midLouth on January 27, 2013, 07:33:31 PM
Murray played well, there's no doubting the class of Djokovic, 6 majors tells you that. Murray had a real chance at love 40 up in the second set and just let it go.

Murray will win a few more finals there is no doubt in that. Was a good morning watch, followe that up while watching my daughter play a tournament watch Leeds and had a few beers in the pavilion also!! Nice Sunday's

He will definitely be in many more finals, whether he is good enough to win them is another thing, Novak is the same age and a superior tennis player. IMO he will have it as tough in the next 5 years as he had it in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2013, 08:46:54 PM
Murray played well, there's no doubting the class of Djokovic, 6 majors tells you that. Murray had a real chance at love 40 up in the second set and just let it go.

Murray will win a few more finals there is no doubt in that. Was a good morning watch, followe that up while watching my daughter play a tournament watch Leeds and had a few beers in the pavilion also!! Nice Sunday's

He will definitely be in many more finals, whether he is good enough to win them is another thing, Novak is the same age and a superior tennis player. IMO he will have it as tough in the next 5 years as he had it in the last 5 years.

Yes and Novak won't be in all the finals, Murray won't be also. Nadal to comeback into it also so, still all to play for
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: midLouth on January 27, 2013, 09:04:05 PM
Murray played well, there's no doubting the class of Djokovic, 6 majors tells you that. Murray had a real chance at love 40 up in the second set and just let it go.

Murray will win a few more finals there is no doubt in that. Was a good morning watch, followe that up while watching my daughter play a tournament watch Leeds and had a few beers in the pavilion also!! Nice Sunday's

He will definitely be in many more finals, whether he is good enough to win them is another thing, Novak is the same age and a superior tennis player. IMO he will have it as tough in the next 5 years as he had it in the last 5 years.

Yes and Novak won't be in all the finals, Murray won't be also. Nadal to comeback into it also so, still all to play for

Definitely, hopefully Nadal can come back to his best, with Roger starting to fade, Nadal for me is best around if he manages to stay injury free.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: INDIANA on January 27, 2013, 09:49:21 PM
Murray played well, there's no doubting the class of Djokovic, 6 majors tells you that. Murray had a real chance at love 40 up in the second set and just let it go.

Murray will win a few more finals there is no doubt in that. Was a good morning watch, followe that up while watching my daughter play a tournament watch Leeds and had a few beers in the pavilion also!! Nice Sunday's

He will definitely be in many more finals, whether he is good enough to win them is another thing, Novak is the same age and a superior tennis player. IMO he will have it as tough in the next 5 years as he had it in the last 5 years.

Yes and Novak won't be in all the finals, Murray won't be also. Nadal to comeback into it also so, still all to play for

Definitely, hopefully Nadal can come back to his best, with Roger starting to fade, Nadal for me is best around if he manages to stay injury free.

don't think nadal will be the same. HIs game is predicated on physical force. He'll win another grand slam or two and will pack it up because he has no cartilage in his knees.

Novak is the best by a good bit for me. Fed will pick up one or two more on a sporadic basis. Murray will wina  few more too. I don't see anyone dominating imo.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 27, 2013, 09:58:33 PM
A tennis player with ropey knees may as well sit in the house. Nadal will never be the same again. Agree with lads above, Nadal might score another French Opens, Fed another couple and Murray and Djoker will probably divvy up the rest over the next 4 years or so. If The Big 3 consists Djokovic and Murray, who will take the third spot in a few years?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: midLouth on January 27, 2013, 10:27:05 PM
I'd disagree a lot with that Indiana, while physicality with extreme endurance are definitely a key part to his game I still wouldn't group him in the Hewitt category of complete brute force style, he is more than that.

I still hold hope for a strong comeback, he has been managing it his whole career, it must definitely be degenerative but he might have a chance if he can manage it better. It'll be a major pity if he can't get back to where he was.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 27, 2013, 10:40:30 PM
Anyone think there is anything in the rumours about Nadal and steroids?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 27, 2013, 11:53:28 PM
I would have said that of the women a few years ago Minder, christ they were built like fcuk
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 28, 2013, 12:37:12 AM
I would have said that of the women a few years ago Minder, christ they were built like fcuk
You're not wrong


Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: yellowcard on January 28, 2013, 12:29:56 PM
Djokovic coming under scrutiny in the last few weeks in relation to his reputation as a marathon man which has developed in the last 2/3 years. This article was in The Times at the weekend and shows the laxed attitude to drug testing that exists in tennis.



Lax drug-testing casts undue shadow over centre court
Harman, Neil. Weekend Australian [Canberra, A.C.T] 26 Jan 2013: 40.

It would be easy for cheats to thrive in professional tennis

CONSIDER this hypothetical sketch. After a four-hour match at the Australian Open, in the searing heat of the day, the winner returns to his hotel room and is infused with blood, boosting his red-cell count.

He then takes human growth hormone to repair micro-tears in his muscles and returns to the court 48 hours later in a fitter state than he was at the start of the previous round, runs around and wins again. What could tennis do about it? As things stand, the answer is nothing.

At present, there is no proviso for blood-testing winners and a loser's sample will not be specifically tested for blood-doping unless the authorities request it -- which they do not. They will not say how many tests they do for HGH, which may mean none. Any doper is home and dry. The problem with tennis is not whether it has a cheating culture, but that if it does, unless there is a dramatic shift in approach, we will never know about it.

The sport has moved into realms of dynamism, physicality and athleticism that could never have been imagined 10 years ago and yet the anti-doping program, the responsibility of the ITF in the manner approved by the World Anti-Doping Agency, has not kept up with the times. When world No 1 Novak Djokovic said in Melbourne that he had had one blood test in seven months and in the next breath felt the doping regime was sound, it was a shocking mixed message.

Djokovic was quite astonishing on Thursday night, defeating David Ferrer, the world No 4, 6-2, 6-2, 6-1 in the first semi-final and saying that he is playing the best tennis of his career. "Tonight I just played an incredible match. I don't expect this," he said. Only four days ago, he was taken to the brink in 5hr 2min by Stanislas Wawrinka, of Switzerland, and won 12-10 in the fifth set. In the next two matches, played in the space of 48 hours, he defeated Tomas Berdych, the world No 5, for the loss of 12 games, and the No 4, dropping five.

He is playing like a super-human and knows that people are questioning how he delivers time after time. He deserves the right for the sport to declare him -- and everyone -- unequivocally clean.

Djokovic would be right to be concerned with the laxity of the anti-doping procedures -- he should have had 10 tests in the seven months in which they stuck a needle into his arm once -- and he should also be pointing to the leaders in the sport and asking why more is not done, not simply to be satisfied that they always know where he is.

The Lance Armstrong scandal has every sport rattled and none more so than this one. The new in-word is recovery. There is almost as much discussion about what a player does when no one sees them as what they are achieving when the cameras are on them.

Today, a sense that tennis players simply do not dope pervades the sport's thinking. That is entirely wrongheaded. "The implication that greatness is compromised just because it's great is the biggest disservice you can do," said Justin Gimelstob, a player representative on the ATP board. "You could not do anything more damaging than imply that someone's hard work and talent is artificially enhanced." But only if tennis can be sure that there is no reason for anyone to imply anything will the implications cease.

It is time that Djokovic, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Andy Murray took a decisive lead and demanded action. They need to tell the ITF it is its duty to put in place the finest system that money can buy and do the tests that will catch offenders. The anti-doping budget last year was $US1.8 million ($1.7m) and yet there was a $US300,000 underspend. How can that happen? That would pay for 500 decent blood-doping tests and then the sport would really know where it stood.

And how about freezing the blood and urine samples taken from this moment on and keeping them for a decade? If players know that the present quality of testing will not catch them because they are using something undetectable, they would be spooked by the thought of having their samples kept and retrospectively tested at any time in 10 years.

An anti-doping expert told The Times this week: "The storing of samples and publicly pronouncing that you are storing them is one of the biggest deterrents to doping in sport. The next test could be beaten, but it would be hard to beat a decade's advances in technology. It's in a laboratory somewhere -- a ticking time bomb."

Tennis has a global prize-money fund of $US500m, its popularity more profound than it has ever been. Imagine the crushing blow to the sport's prestige should one of the best in the sport be found to have been enhancing their performance.

Any increase in funding should be seen as an insurance policy to protect that astonishing level of investment. It is not about how much is spent: the UCI, cycling's governing body, spent $US5m a year and look what it got -- the Armstrong travesty. It is about how you execute the program with the money at your disposal. And the core of anti-doping is about protecting the reputation of clean athletes as much as it is catching the cheats.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on September 08, 2013, 10:37:09 PM
Two sweaty girls knocking the pan out of each other right now, on Sky Sports 1
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on September 08, 2013, 10:44:13 PM
Two sweaty girls knocking the pan out of each other right now, on Sky Sports 1

Watching on CBS, in Dublin.  :D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2013, 09:41:42 AM
Can't wait for Rafa-Djokovic tonight. Nadal has been phenomenal on hard courts this year, looks to be moving freely and isn't wearing tape on his knees for the for the first time in a long time. Would be slightly worried Nadal might be a bit undercooked after Gasquet offered little in the semi-final.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on September 09, 2013, 07:15:50 PM
Can't wait for Rafa-Djokovic tonight. Nadal has been phenomenal on hard courts this year, looks to be moving freely and isn't wearing tape on his knees for the for the first time in a long time. Would be slightly worried Nadal might be a bit undercooked after Gasquet offered little in the semi-final.

Yea, he is untested and hasn't beaten anyone of note in this year's Championship.  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2013, 11:02:11 PM
Can't wait for Rafa-Djokovic tonight. Nadal has been phenomenal on hard courts this year, looks to be moving freely and isn't wearing tape on his knees for the for the first time in a long time. Would be slightly worried Nadal might be a bit undercooked after Gasquet offered little in the semi-final.

Yea, he is untested and hasn't beaten anyone of note in this year's Championship.  ;D

The point I was making was that he'd steamrollered everyone which, no mtter how good you're playing, doesn't prepare you for Djokovic. Djokovic was taken to the absolute limit by Wawrinka. Rafa hadn't even dropped serve until Gasquet took one off him.

Looking good at the minute though  :)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: midLouth on September 09, 2013, 11:10:57 PM
Nadal in fine form here.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Syferus on September 10, 2013, 09:49:48 AM
A tennis player with ropey knees may as well sit in the house. Nadal will never be the same again. Agree with lads above, Nadal might score another French Opens, Fed another couple and Murray and Djoker will probably divvy up the rest over the next 4 years or so. If The Big 3 consists Djokovic and Murray, who will take the third spot in a few years?

Not a bad year for a lad with fŁcked knees, eh?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: moysider on September 10, 2013, 10:20:21 AM

Nadal is transformed. Losing all that bulk has done his knees no harm.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 10, 2013, 11:39:55 AM
Absolutely delighted. The ninth game of the 3rd was obviously the turning point. Coming back from 0-40 down (heart was in mouth when he tripped over himself) seemed to just take it out of Djokovic and the resistance and form he'd mustered in the second and first half of the third sets crumbled.

13 Slams and only just turned 27. New love of hard courts and playing without tape on his knees for first time in years. Probably odds on to match and break Federer's record of 17, assuming Fed doesn't add to his.
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Post by: midLouth on September 10, 2013, 12:40:45 PM
Very lucky get to get to both Roger and Nadal play, two of the best ever! Tennis will be a lessor sport once both are gone, nearly thought that was going to be this year, but Rafa has come out roaring. I thought he was going to smash Novak going by the first set, but then balance shifted to Novak and then back to Nadal. The 50+ shot rally was something else, that along with the last set.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on September 10, 2013, 01:20:42 PM
Absolutely delighted. The ninth game of the 3rd was obviously the turning point. Coming back from 0-40 down (heart was in mouth when he tripped over himself) seemed to just take it out of Djokovic and the resistance and form he'd mustered in the second and first half of the third sets crumbled.

13 Slams and only just turned 27. New love of hard courts and playing without tape on his knees for first time in years. Probably odds on to match and break Federer's record of 17, assuming Fed doesn't add to his.

Barring injury Nadal should at least get the 17, he is basically a cert for the French and I'm sure he will be fired up for Wimbledon given his recent performances/absences there.  Not long to the Aussie Open now and if he keeps playing on the hard courts the way he has been this year he will be favourite for that one too.  I think Federer could win another one yet though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 10, 2013, 01:55:27 PM
Absolutely delighted. The ninth game of the 3rd was obviously the turning point. Coming back from 0-40 down (heart was in mouth when he tripped over himself) seemed to just take it out of Djokovic and the resistance and form he'd mustered in the second and first half of the third sets crumbled.

13 Slams and only just turned 27. New love of hard courts and playing without tape on his knees for first time in years. Probably odds on to match and break Federer's record of 17, assuming Fed doesn't add to his.

Barring injury Nadal should at least get the 17, he is basically a cert for the French and I'm sure he will be fired up for Wimbledon given his recent performances/absences there.  Not long to the Aussie Open now and if he keeps playing on the hard courts the way he has been this year he will be favourite for that one too.  I think Federer could win another one yet though.

I think that for Fed to win one these days, he'll need big slip ups from Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. I can't see him beating two of them on his way to a Slam when he'll also have to get past the like of Berdych, Del Potro and Wawrinka. Nadal will shift focus to the World Tour Finals in London as he's never won them. He'll likely be World No. 1 by that stage and if he wins, will be a red hot favourite for the Aussie Open.

Djokovic yesterday reminded me of Nadal against him in 2011. Doing the same things that made him great and the top player in the world and, as the Americans say, "executing", albeit with a lot of unforced errors. Nadal has changed his game though and has found a bit of a formula that Djokovic can't quite work out. Considering his dominance since 2011, two slams out of the last 8 is a poor return for him. Think he needs to go back to the drawing board the way Rafa has done this year and did in 2010 after his injury in '09.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 10, 2013, 01:58:32 PM
he is basically a cert for the French

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that btw. Djokovic beat him in the Monte Carlo final this year and their semi at Roland Garros could have gone either way. Assuming both are fit, I can't see anyone threatening either of them on clay.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on September 10, 2013, 03:55:37 PM
he is basically a cert for the French

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that btw. Djokovic beat him in the Monte Carlo final this year and their semi at Roland Garros could have gone either way. Assuming both are fit, I can't see anyone threatening either of them on clay.

Djokovic did well to beat him in MC but in retrospect Nadal wasn;t long back at that stage or even when he played the French.  I definitely see him winning another 3 or 4 French Opens alone. 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on September 10, 2013, 10:01:55 PM
Nadal a very fine player without doubt, but even should he beat Fed's record I still think Fed (and Djokovic) are better tennis players. Nadal relies to a large extent on power whereas the others are more shot makers and have more variety to their games.

The '08 Wimbledon final will never be forgotten though; 2 men absolutely in the zone. One of the greatest finals in any sport I've ever seen.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: midLouth on September 10, 2013, 10:07:01 PM
Nadal a very fine player without doubt, but even should he beat Fed's record I still think Fed (and Djokovic) are better tennis players. Nadal relies to a large extent on power whereas the others are more shot makers and have more variety to their games.

The '08 Wimbledon final will never be forgotten though; 2 men absolutely in the zone. One of the greatest finals in any sport I've ever seen.

Completely disagree with that summation, Nadal is a great player, technically and physically. He has produced some of the finest tennis we'll ever see in his own outright. He is certainly a better tennis player than Djokovic, as was shown in some of the stats from previous encounters they focused on last night during the game, when they were able to show how Nadal has adjusted his game and Djokovic has pretty much remained the same.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 11, 2013, 06:20:18 PM
Nadal a very fine player without doubt, but even should he beat Fed's record I still think Fed (and Djokovic) are better tennis players. Nadal relies to a large extent on power whereas the others are more shot makers and have more variety to their games.

The '08 Wimbledon final will never be forgotten though; 2 men absolutely in the zone. One of the greatest finals in any sport I've ever seen.

Some of the shot making Nadal made in that match (and the Australian in '09) is as good as anything Federer produced in his pomp. To dismiss Nadal as a bull is ludicrous. Nadal relies on spin more than power - other players hit the ball much harder and flatter than he does.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on June 04, 2014, 08:42:25 PM
Great win for Murray in the fifth set. Quite an amazing finish.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on June 04, 2014, 08:50:01 PM
Great win for Murray in the fifth set. Quite an amazing finish.

Strange match. Great example of champions doing it when it matters, though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: the Deel Rover on June 08, 2014, 06:58:10 PM

Barring injury Nadal should at least get the 17, he is basically a cert for the French and I'm sure he will be fired up for Wimbledon given his recent performances/absences there.  Not long to the Aussie Open now and if he keeps playing on the hard courts the way he has been this year he will be favourite for that one too.  I think Federer could win another one yet though.

Well you were proved right Nrico . 9 French titles, unbelievable Jeff .   
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 09, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
Be interesting to see if he can turn up at Wimbledon this time after his disasters the last two years. He'll be top seed but Djokovic will start as favourite. Murray will be in with a serious shout too.

Interesting to see if Nadal actually plays Halle. His back was acting up on him and he had a brief exchange with Uncle Toni after the match that suggested all wasn't well.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on June 09, 2014, 01:46:02 PM

Barring injury Nadal should at least get the 17, he is basically a cert for the French and I'm sure he will be fired up for Wimbledon given his recent performances/absences there.  Not long to the Aussie Open now and if he keeps playing on the hard courts the way he has been this year he will be favourite for that one too.  I think Federer could win another one yet though.

Well you were proved right Nrico . 9 French titles, unbelievable Jeff .
Things you don't often see.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on August 22, 2014, 10:52:59 PM
http://www.rte.ie/sport/tennis/2014/0822/638838-mcgee/ (http://www.rte.ie/sport/tennis/2014/0822/638838-mcgee/)

James McGee qualifies for US Open
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Niall Quinn on June 02, 2015, 12:07:35 AM
He's been struggling with fitness and form this year, but Nadal at 4/1 going into the French Open QFs is a tempting price.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: topcuppla on June 30, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
What the f**k is it with tennis players toweling their face after every shot, even when they serve a f**king ace!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on June 30, 2015, 04:39:52 PM
Drugs.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on July 03, 2015, 02:14:42 PM
What the f**k is it with tennis players toweling their face after every shot, even when they serve a f**king ace!

Yes and then there are those who ask for 3 balls before each serve, but fire one away as if to say 'WTF is this!'
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on July 03, 2015, 02:27:53 PM
What the f**k is it with tennis players toweling their face after every shot, even when they serve a f**king ace!

Yes and then there are those who ask for 3 balls before each serve, but fire one away as if to say 'WTF is this!'

I assume it's something to do with pressure or how hard the ball feels.  Have you ever practiced 45s and noticed a difference between ball?

Tom Brady  does it for the New England Patriots 😉😉
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on July 03, 2015, 06:03:15 PM
What the f**k is it with tennis players toweling their face after every shot, even when they serve a f**king ace!

Yes and then there are those who ask for 3 balls before each serve, but fire one away as if to say 'WTF is this!'

I assume it's something to do with pressure or how hard the ball feels.  Have you ever practiced 45s and noticed a difference between ball?

Tom Brady  does it for the New England Patriots 😉😉

If you notice pressure between you balls kicking 45s, then you are using the wrong leg.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on July 03, 2015, 07:38:54 PM
Unreal performance by heather watson, so unlucky, but yet again Serena williams shows why she is one of the greatest ever female tennis players.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Estimator on July 06, 2015, 08:10:18 PM
It's opening up nicely for Murray. Nadal, Ferrer & Tsonga all gone from his side of the draw.
Djokovic is two sets down at the minute as well.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on July 10, 2015, 06:26:32 PM
Federer is some pup
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Over the Bar on July 10, 2015, 07:50:10 PM
Murray got his @$$ handed to him by a man who was winning Wimbledon when he was still at school.   He's the Dublin of tennis in that if you invest enough money you may buy a few majors but no-one really sees past the initial financial advantage.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
Murray got his @$$ handed to him by a man who was winning Wimbledon when he was still at school.   He's the Dublin of tennis in that if you invest enough money you may buy a few majors but no-one really sees past the initial financial advantage.

Federer is one of the best players tennis has ever seen... To be beaten 3 sets to love by him is not unusual... His game yesterday was fantastic cant wait for final.... As for Murray to have two major wins plus a gold medal while these players are about is big credit to him and not to be sniffed at..

This woman Williams is the real deal best ladies player (after today) that's ever played but id like to see this girl have a go at her
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2015, 03:39:05 PM
The Williams ma is hard to watch when they pan to the box!!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 11, 2015, 06:26:55 PM
Federer the best male player i have ever seen and i seen them all going back to the very early 80`s, the difficulty in comparison, is carbon graphite rackets compared to the wooden ones, that's what makes comparsion  of elite players from different eras hard to judge but i think hes the best. His better days are behind him though, surprised he got to the final.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2015, 06:37:56 PM
Federer the best male palyer i have ever seen and i seen them all going back to the very early 80`s, the difficulty in comparison, is carbon graphite rackets compared to the wooden ones, that's what makes comparsion  of elite palyers from different eras hard to judge but i think hes the best. His better days are behind him though, surprised he got to the final.

The athleticism is greater to, and like most sports that's always going to change, as for the racket's yes different also, just like golf but you cant deny the skill they have also, the range of shots Federer has is what's makes him different... He's second seed for a reason, and proved that... Whether he can overcome the power and fitness of Novac well that what we'll see tomorrow...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ballinaman on July 11, 2015, 06:39:40 PM
Federer the best male palyer i have ever seen and i seen them all going back to the very early 80`s, the difficulty in comparison, is carbon graphite rackets compared to the wooden ones, that's what makes comparsion  of elite palyers from different eras hard to judge but i think hes the best. His better days are behind him though, surprised he got to the final.

The athleticism is greater to, and like most sports that's always going to change, as for the racket's yes different also, just like golf but you cant deny the skill they have also, the range of shots Federer has is what's makes him different... He's second seed for a reason, and proved that... Whether he can overcome the power and fitness of Novac well that what we'll see tomorrow...
Yeah and the amount of doping at elite level would have changed too I'd say  8)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 11, 2015, 10:19:16 PM
Federer the best male palyer i have ever seen and i seen them all going back to the very early 80`s, the difficulty in comparison, is carbon graphite rackets compared to the wooden ones, that's what makes comparsion  of elite palyers from different eras hard to judge but i think hes the best. His better days are behind him though, surprised he got to the final.

Sampras for me.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 11, 2015, 10:20:59 PM
Hingis looking well this evening.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 11, 2015, 10:38:22 PM
Hingis looking well this evening.

Fine woman.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: pullhard on July 11, 2015, 10:47:49 PM
Drugs.

your not far off
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: pullhard on July 11, 2015, 10:51:11 PM
Federer the best male palyer i have ever seen and i seen them all going back to the very early 80`s, the difficulty in comparison, is carbon graphite rackets compared to the wooden ones, that's what makes comparsion  of elite palyers from different eras hard to judge but i think hes the best. His better days are behind him though, surprised he got to the final.

He hasn't played this well in at least 5 years
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 11, 2015, 11:45:19 PM
Drugs.

your not far off

What is the rate of drugs on tennis?  Like every sport, Gaelic games included
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 12, 2015, 12:29:01 AM
Murray got his @$$ handed to him by a man who was winning Wimbledon when he was still at school.   He's the Dublin of tennis in that if you invest enough money you may buy a few majors but no-one really sees past the initial financial advantage.

This is utter horse shit. Murray is an exceptional tennis player and one of the best returners in the history of the game. The lad had back surgery last year for Christ's fake and is still in touch at the business end of all the grand slams. Disputing that is begrudgingly of the highest order.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 12, 2015, 12:33:54 AM
Hingis looking well this evening.

Fine woman.
In amazing shape. Assumed she was older than 34 but I suppose she was a teenager when she did her main business.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 12, 2015, 12:36:36 AM
Hingis looking well this evening.

Fine woman.
In amazing shape. Assumed she was older than 34 but I suppose she was a teenager when she did her main business.

Don't think she'd turned 17 when she won Wimbledon. Had won doubles a few years earlier too.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Captain Obvious on July 12, 2015, 02:37:52 AM
Hingis looking well this evening.

Fine woman.
In amazing shape. Assumed she was older than 34 but I suppose she was a teenager when she did her main business.

Don't think she'd turned 17 when she won Wimbledon. Had won doubles a few years earlier too.
On a SKY interview she said at just 15 she won a tournament in Germany where the prize was a Porsche though couldn't drive it for two years.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: pullhard on July 13, 2015, 10:11:49 AM
Drugs.

your not far off

What is the rate of drugs on tennis?  Like every sport, Gaelic games included

Dr Luis GarcŪa del Moral - was linked quite heavily with Nadal, barca and real, then the cycling teams.
If Nadal was on the juice i'd imagine  the other lads were dabbling too, i'd imagine this would cross the gender divide too.

No idea about GAA
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on September 11, 2015, 08:12:55 PM
massive shock in the us open as unseeded roberta vinci beat serena williams in semi final.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: heganboy on September 11, 2015, 08:38:34 PM
The end to that vinci williams game was unreal! Great great tennis
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 02, 2016, 02:58:46 PM
Novak under a bitta pressure, lot of breaks due to rain, doesn't look himself
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 02, 2016, 08:00:47 PM
Hingis looking well this evening.

Fine woman.

Hingis looking well this year again too.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Keyser soze on July 04, 2016, 10:13:46 AM
Wtf??? that's two years running Rule 1 has been blithely ignored IRO Ms Hingis.....MODS!!!!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 04, 2016, 10:42:11 AM
Wtf??? that's two years running Rule 1 has been blithely ignored IRO Ms Hingis.....MODS!!!!

Careful now - someone might post a pic of the Williams brothers.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Fuzzman on July 05, 2016, 03:00:42 PM
I just happened to tune in to the Cibulkova v Radwanska match last night as I hardly ever watch tennis any more.
Wow what a match to watch although I only saw the last set which went to 9-7.

Couldn't help but compare the excitement of watching this very competitive tight match and how GAA and soccer matches pan out these days where the winner is stronger, fitter more of an athlete rather than a test of true skill.

Yes the William sisters and others have made it into a power game in lots of ways but here were two well matched players giving it their all and being brave playing some exquisite rallies. If you didn't see it yesterday I'd strongly recommend watching it on the Iplayer or youtube.

http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2016-07-04/cibulkova_edges_out_radwanska_in_thriller.html (http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/news/articles/2016-07-04/cibulkova_edges_out_radwanska_in_thriller.html)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 05, 2016, 10:59:12 PM
Jaysus Serena wud need a thicker bra.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on July 05, 2016, 11:49:03 PM
Jaysus Serena wud need a thicker bra.

If anyone mention a rule less than 2 they should get an immediate month ban.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 07, 2016, 02:03:53 PM
Young Murray now world number 1 - fair dues!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: PW Nally on November 07, 2016, 06:43:45 PM
Jaysus Serena wud need a thicker bra.
Not to be worn at SW19 any time soon..
https://youtu.be/LScyCUfROuI
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on November 07, 2016, 09:28:38 PM
Young Murray now world number 1 - fair dues!

Good job - well done Andy.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on November 08, 2016, 12:20:18 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2016, 08:26:16 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2016, 08:34:12 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2016, 08:55:58 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job

Obviously you can't compare but in my opinion Sampras a far better player than Murray ever was or will be, not even close
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2016, 09:16:45 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job

Obviously you can't compare but in my opinion Sampras a far better player than Murray ever was or will be, not even close

Of course, Pistol Pete was outstanding as was the rest who won all of the Majors, but there is no denying Murray is at the top of the tree, strangley he reminds me of another former number one who looks after him Ivan Lendl
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 08, 2016, 09:23:52 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job
Sampras had 12 or 13 Majors in the bag by the time he was the same as Murray is now. Murray a good player but he's not even close to the same league as Sampras, Federer or Nadal.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 08, 2016, 09:40:56 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job
Sampras had 12 or 13 Majors in the bag by the time he was the same as Murray is now. Murray a good player but he's not even close to the same league as Sampras, Federer or Nadal.

Yeah to constantly beat Andy Roddick is some achievement.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2016, 09:44:31 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job
Sampras had 12 or 13 Majors in the bag by the time he was the same as Murray is now. Murray a good player but he's not even close to the same league as Sampras, Federer or Nadal.

To be a true great you'd need to be at least competitive on all surfaces. I think I could have beaten Sampras on clay! Murray is competitive in every major, including 3 grand slam finals this year alone.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on November 08, 2016, 09:47:56 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job
Sampras had 12 or 13 Majors in the bag by the time he was the same as Murray is now. Murray a good player but he's not even close to the same league as Sampras, Federer or Nadal.

To be a true great you'd need to be at least competitive on all surfaces. I think I could have beaten Sampras on clay! Murray is competitive in every major, including 3 grand slam finals this year alone.

Ah come on Benny
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 08, 2016, 09:58:40 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job
Sampras had 12 or 13 Majors in the bag by the time he was the same as Murray is now. Murray a good player but he's not even close to the same league as Sampras, Federer or Nadal.

To be a true great you'd need to be at least competitive on all surfaces. I think I could have beaten Sampras on clay! Murray is competitive in every major, including 3 grand slam finals this year alone.
Take a redner there Benny. Sampras isn't a true great with his 14 majors...
 
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2016, 10:03:12 PM
Well deserved ranking, in any other era he would have maybe ten slams, he is the best in the world right now, no doubt about it.

Sampras era?

Borg/McEnroe/Connors era?

Physically he'd have beaten that crowd, different styles and conditioning plus fitness... he's done fantastic against some craking players... Novak and Federer are greats.. to be on top of that crowd is some job
Sampras had 12 or 13 Majors in the bag by the time he was the same as Murray is now. Murray a good player but he's not even close to the same league as Sampras, Federer or Nadal.

To be a true great you'd need to be at least competitive on all surfaces. I think I could have beaten Sampras on clay! Murray is competitive in every major, including 3 grand slam finals this year alone.
Take a redner there Benny. Sampras isn't a true great with his 14 majors...
 
;D ;D ;D ;D


I haven't heard that phrase in a long time.  ;D Anyway, explain his record in the French Open?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 08, 2016, 10:06:18 PM
French Open - according to Wiki one SF. That's a poor record but I'm sure you will admit he's a great. If you ever get a chance to play him on clay let me know and I'll call Paddy Power  ;D. Jim Courier got to the final of all 4 I think at one stage but I wouldn't consider him in the pantheon of greats.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2016, 10:26:09 PM
French Open - according to Wiki one SF. That's a poor record but I'm sure you will admit he's a great. If you ever get a chance to play him on clay let me know and I'll call Paddy Power  ;D. Jim Courier got to the final of all 4 I think at one stage but I wouldn't consider him in the pantheon of greats.

Feck me I'm sure even you got the sarcasm in my comment about beating him on clay.  ::) He was a bit of a flat track bully at Wimbledon in a poor enough era. That era also probably explains the Jim Courier success story. i know a number of top players struggle on clay but it's odd that such an utterly dominant player of his era was so utterly ineffective on clay. I mean he was barely competitive. I followed your idea of looking on Wiki and even the semi final he did get to in 1996 he was hammered 7-6 6-2 6-0 by Kafelnikov. How does that stack up?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2016, 10:30:28 PM
I think only a fool would think that Sampras wasn't a great, granted clay wasn't his thing as was Wimbledon wasn't Lendl's thing still a great player and former number one.. Murray has to be congratulated for doing so well from a place not known for producing tennis greats!!

Murray is unfortunately up against Novak a lot and when he doesn't meet him he's got Federer !! Nadal's ship has flown, he would have won a lot more majors had he not been blighted by injures... though I've always a question mark over him relating to enhanced performances!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 08, 2016, 10:39:37 PM
I think only a fool would think that Sampras wasn't a great, granted clay wasn't his thing as was Wimbledon wasn't Lendl's thing still a great player and former number one.. Murray has to be congratulated for doing so well from a place not known for producing tennis greats!!

Murray is unfortunately up against Novak a lot and when he doesn't meet him he's got Federer !! Nadal's ship has flown, he would have won a lot more majors had he not been blighted by injures... though I've always a question mark over him relating to enhanced performances!

My point is not that Sampras wasn't a great player, of course he was. I was more replying to a comment that Murray wouldn't be in his league. Murray is a great player in a great era. Slightly behind two or three of the best ever. I think Sampras would most likely be behind those three too.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2016, 10:46:25 PM
I think only a fool would think that Sampras wasn't a great, granted clay wasn't his thing as was Wimbledon wasn't Lendl's thing still a great player and former number one.. Murray has to be congratulated for doing so well from a place not known for producing tennis greats!!

Murray is unfortunately up against Novak a lot and when he doesn't meet him he's got Federer !! Nadal's ship has flown, he would have won a lot more majors had he not been blighted by injures... though I've always a question mark over him relating to enhanced performances!

My point is not that Sampras wasn't a great player, of course he was. I was more replying to a comment that Murray wouldn't be in his league. Murray is a great player in a great era. Slightly behind two or three of the best ever. I think Sampras would most likely be behind those three too.

I'd agree with that, over all surfaces  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on November 09, 2016, 08:45:39 AM
Crazy even comparing Sampras and Murray.  Murray isn't in his league.  I would actually say that the competition at the top at the minute is weaker than it was in the 90's.  Nadal and Federer are finished (and have been for a few years) and its really a shoot out between Djokovic and Murray and more often than not Murray loses out. 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on November 09, 2016, 08:51:28 AM
I think only a fool would think that Sampras wasn't a great, granted clay wasn't his thing as was Wimbledon wasn't Lendl's thing still a great player and former number one.. Murray has to be congratulated for doing so well from a place not known for producing tennis greats!!

Murray is unfortunately up against Novak a lot and when he doesn't meet him he's got Federer !! Nadal's ship has flown, he would have won a lot more majors had he not been blighted by injures... though I've always a question mark over him relating to enhanced performances!

My point is not that Sampras wasn't a great player, of course he was. I was more replying to a comment that Murray wouldn't be in his league. Murray is a great player in a great era. Slightly behind two or three of the best ever. I think Sampras would most likely be behind those three too.

Slightly behind ?? He has three slams,  Federer has 17, Djokovic has 12 & Nadal has 14
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2016, 09:34:26 AM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Estimator on November 09, 2016, 11:47:06 AM
Easier comparing Murray with Wawrinka - both have 3 Grand Slams. Wawrinka has won French, US and Australian. Murray has won Wimbledon (2) and US.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Nanderson on November 09, 2016, 11:57:56 AM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 09, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
How long will Murray's prime last? Hitting his prime at 29 doesn't bode well. And it's a very fair comparison:

03-09 Federer beats him now.
07-13 Nadal beats him now.
11-15 Djokovic beats him now.

I imagine djokovic will still be the favourite heading into the Australian.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on November 09, 2016, 12:42:07 PM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.

Maybe not Federer but Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are the same age . . . Nadal has 14 Slams and Djokovic 12!

Murray has a long way to go to be compared in the same league!!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 09, 2016, 01:45:03 PM
I'm hoping Benny's fever from last night has passed after some strong drugs and a good nights sleep!  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on November 09, 2016, 01:47:28 PM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.

Maybe not Federer but Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are the same age . . . Nadal has 14 Slams and Djokovic 12!

Murray has a long way to go to be compared in the same league!!

Exactly, Murray is the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.  Murray would probably not even have his grandslams if Nadal hadn't had the injuries he has.  Djokovic has a great record v Murray as well, especially in Grand Slams and I would put my money on Djokovic winning the upcoming ATP World Tour Finals again and getting back to number 1.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 09, 2016, 01:49:07 PM
How long will Murray's prime last? Hitting his prime at 29 doesn't bode well. And it's a very fair comparison:

03-09 Federer beats him now.
07-13 Nadal beats him now.
11-15 Djokovic beats him now.

I imagine djokovic will still be the favourite heading into the Australian.

Yeah imagine only becoming world number one in a sport at 29 - loser!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 09, 2016, 01:52:54 PM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.

Maybe not Federer but Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are the same age . . . Nadal has 14 Slams and Djokovic 12!

Murray has a long way to go to be compared in the same league!!

Exactly, Murray is the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.  Murray would probably not even have his grandslams if Nadal hadn't had the injuries he has. Djokovic has a great record v Murray as well, especially in Grand Slams and I would put my money on Djokovic winning the upcoming ATP World Tour Finals again and getting back to number 1.

What a bullshit statement made with no prove and just a dislike for the brit I assume?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on November 09, 2016, 02:41:56 PM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.

Maybe not Federer but Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are the same age . . . Nadal has 14 Slams and Djokovic 12!

Murray has a long way to go to be compared in the same league!!

Exactly, Murray is the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.  Murray would probably not even have his grandslams if Nadal hadn't had the injuries he has. Djokovic has a great record v Murray as well, especially in Grand Slams and I would put my money on Djokovic winning the upcoming ATP World Tour Finals again and getting back to number 1.

What a bullshit statement made with no prove and just a dislike for the brit I assume?

I actually like Murray, but going by Nadal's grand slam record before injury hit him I would say that he would have encountered Murray in one of his 3 grand slams wins and more than likely have won.  But due to injury Nadal has missed a lot of tournaments and even the dlams he has been involved in have seen only a shell of the former Nadal.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on November 09, 2016, 03:18:16 PM
I'm hoping Benny's fever from last night has passed after some strong drugs and a good nights sleep!  ;D

I was never really comparing Murray and the three modern greats and people have jumped on a fairly flippant comment about him and Sampras being slightly behind them. Yes he's behind them in grand slams and will never reach their level but has been knocking on the door and competing with these lads for years. Age isn't the only determinant on a players development and Murray has been beating Federer and to a lesser extent Djokovic on an increasingly more regular basis in recent years. I was more concerned with your comment about him not being in the same league as Sampras, who in my view is also behind the three lads from the most modern era and also in my view would be winning a similar number of grand slams as Murray has had he been around then. Yes, its hypothetical but I think Murray's game is more rounded than Sampras. 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Walter Cronc on November 09, 2016, 03:22:28 PM
Box seats for the ATP at the o2 next Tuesday. Sure I'll let ya's know who is better  8)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 09, 2016, 03:30:35 PM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.

Maybe not Federer but Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are the same age . . . Nadal has 14 Slams and Djokovic 12!

Murray has a long way to go to be compared in the same league!!

Exactly, Murray is the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.  Murray would probably not even have his grandslams if Nadal hadn't had the injuries he has. Djokovic has a great record v Murray as well, especially in Grand Slams and I would put my money on Djokovic winning the upcoming ATP World Tour Finals again and getting back to number 1.

What a bullshit statement made with no prove and just a dislike for the brit I assume?

I actually like Murray,but going by Nadal's grand slam record before injury hit him I would say that he would have encountered Murray in one of his 3 grand slams wins and more than likely have won.  But due to injury Nadal has missed a lot of tournaments and even the dlams he has been involved in have seen only a shell of the former Nadal.

Murray won US Open 2012, runner up in Australian Open 2013, won Wimbledon 2013 in same years Nadal won French Open 2012 / 2013, won US open 2013 and runner up Australian Open 2012, bet loads wish they had that injury!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SLIGONIAN on November 09, 2016, 04:22:12 PM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.

Maybe not Federer but Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are the same age . . . Nadal has 14 Slams and Djokovic 12!

Murray has a long way to go to be compared in the same league!!

Exactly, Murray is the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.  Murray would probably not even have his grandslams if Nadal hadn't had the injuries he has. Djokovic has a great record v Murray as well, especially in Grand Slams and I would put my money on Djokovic winning the upcoming ATP World Tour Finals again and getting back to number 1.

What a bullshit statement made with no prove and just a dislike for the brit I assume?

I actually like Murray,but going by Nadal's grand slam record before injury hit him I would say that he would have encountered Murray in one of his 3 grand slams wins and more than likely have won.  But due to injury Nadal has missed a lot of tournaments and even the dlams he has been involved in have seen only a shell of the former Nadal.

Murray won US Open 2012, runner up in Australian Open 2013, won Wimbledon 2013 in same years Nadal won French Open 2012 / 2013, won US open 2013 and runner up Australian Open 2012, bet loads wish they had that injury!
Exactly Some rubbish spouted on here, federer nadal and Djokovic all faced easier opponents when they won the first slam, that is a huge break to get which Murray never had that luxury, also Murray always had the weight of a nation on his shoulders and Fred Perry legacy to break which is harder especially with the English media, Murray has a great record against federer 11-14 also beat him in 2012 Olympics final and Djokovic, remember too federer has huge crowd support which helps and gives an advantage, his record against nadal and Djokovic not as good, remember too Murray had operation in 2013 and after that rehab to come to this level is testamount to Murray, Murray has a tougher draw than Novak in the atp finals but should go very close and I expect him to break his Australian hoodoo in January, 3 slams , 2 golds singles , 1 Davis cup is an unreal achievement, and should be celebrated, I reckon he will win 2 slams next year and win at least 8 like Lendl
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2016, 07:32:10 PM
Murray on fire tonight but Novak not at the races either
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: bennydorano on November 20, 2016, 08:08:16 PM
Well done Murray, some run. No longer Novak's bitch either, new world order
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on November 20, 2016, 08:10:23 PM
Well done Murray, some run. No longer Novak's bitch either, new world order

The grand slams will tell us if that's the case

More importantly though, will he win SPOTY?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on November 20, 2016, 08:14:37 PM
brillant week of tennis by murray, well deserved win and well deserved to end the year as number 1.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 20, 2016, 08:25:24 PM
Murray on fire tonight but Novak not at the races either

Toolbag Murray owned him.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2016, 08:27:22 PM
Well done Murray, some run. No longer Novak's bitch either, new world order

The grand slams will tell us if that's the case

More importantly though, will he win SPOTY?

Who else will win it? No standout ones to be honest, They'll never give it to Frampton (unfortunately) even if he wins early Jan
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: bennydorano on November 20, 2016, 08:30:35 PM
Nadal's place in the pantheon of greats should be asterisked as well. Allegedly THE major beneficiary of the destroying of Operation Puerto's bloodbags.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on November 20, 2016, 08:31:23 PM
Olympics year. Mo farah could well beat him. Ennis retirement year too could give her better chance.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 20, 2016, 08:32:28 PM
According to some here he's beat no one.  ??? :o ::)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on November 20, 2016, 08:32:56 PM
Olympics year. Mo farah could well beat him. Ennis retirement year too could give her better chance.

I was being sarcastic by the way, it see,s when any Brot wins anything, no matter how big the event is the first thing people wonder is will they win SPOTY. As if it's a bigger achievement
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 20, 2016, 08:34:33 PM
Olympics year. Mo farah could well beat him. Ennis retirement year too could give her better chance.

Was thinking that too, but, always a cloud hanging over Mo

Would love Ennis to get it, the SPOTY that is
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on November 20, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
 ;D

The gymnast guy whitlock too and maybe kenny the cyclist.

While some of us doubt mo i don't think the majority of british public too.

Murray has done great. He has taken so many beatings and still come back to keep challenging these guys. Incredible mental strength. Still not a major so counts for less but he has definitely stepped it up a lot and don't think he is a whipping boy any more.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 20, 2016, 08:47:32 PM
;D

The gymnast guy whitlock too and maybe kenny the cyclist.

While some of us doubt mo i don't think the majority of british public too.

Murray has done great. He has taken so many beatings and still come back to keep challenging these guys. Incredible mental strength. Still not a major so counts for less but he has definitely stepped it up a lot and don't think he is a whipping boy any more.

3 slams 2 olympic golds - i'd love a whipping like that.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on November 20, 2016, 08:49:48 PM
He has been at times in the past though but has shown the character to get over it and beat the big guys which is admirable.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Estimator on November 20, 2016, 08:53:43 PM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.

Maybe not Federer but Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are the same age . . . Nadal has 14 Slams and Djokovic 12!

Murray has a long way to go to be compared in the same league!!

Exactly, Murray is the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.  Murray would probably not even have his grandslams if Nadal hadn't had the injuries he has. Djokovic has a great record v Murray as well, especially in Grand Slams and I would put my money on Djokovic winning the upcoming ATP World Tour Finals again and getting back to number 1.

What a bullshit statement made with no prove and just a dislike for the brit I assume?

I actually like Murray,but going by Nadal's grand slam record before injury hit him I would say that he would have encountered Murray in one of his 3 grand slams wins and more than likely have won.  But due to injury Nadal has missed a lot of tournaments and even the dlams he has been involved in have seen only a shell of the former Nadal.

Murray won US Open 2012, runner up in Australian Open 2013, won Wimbledon 2013 in same years Nadal won French Open 2012 / 2013, won US open 2013 and runner up Australian Open 2012, bet loads wish they had that injury!
Exactly Some rubbish spouted on here, federer nadal and Djokovic all faced easier opponents when they won the first slam, that is a huge break to get which Murray never had that luxury, also Murray always had the weight of a nation on his shoulders and Fred Perry legacy to break which is harder especially with the English media, Murray has a great record against federer 11-14 also beat him in 2012 Olympics final and Djokovic, remember too federer has huge crowd support which helps and gives an advantage, his record against nadal and Djokovic not as good, remember too Murray had operation in 2013 and after that rehab to come to this level is testamount to Murray, Murray has a tougher draw than Novak in the atp finals but should go very close and I expect him to break his Australian hoodoo in January, 3 slams , 2 golds singles , 1 Davis cup is an unreal achievement, and should be celebrated, I reckon he will win 2 slams next year and win at least 8 like Lendl

I would doubt the assumption that Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all faced easier opponents in their first slam. I'd say that when they won their first they would have been a lower seed than Murray when he won his first. There isn't a massive age gap between RN, ND and AM. The first two have 26 slams between them and Murray has the same amount as Wawrinka. It will be Grand Slams that they are ultimately judged on.

Murray could push on from here and dominate for the next couple of years. But he needs to start adding to his Grand Slam total, and there will be plenty out there aiming to shoot him down. Murray put a serious effort in the last couple of months to get the number one spot. Not sure if that'll impact upon him at the beginning of next year.

Of course he'll win the big one... SPOTY
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on November 20, 2016, 09:19:19 PM
brillant week of tennis by murray, well deserved win and well deserved to end the year as number 1.

+1
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 20, 2016, 09:24:34 PM
Each of them have won all four grand slams too. Murray has won two of them.

He's a great player but saying he's just behind that lot is ridiculous. In their primes, they battered him for fun.
Hardly fair to compare Murray to them in their primes when Roger was in his prime in 06/07 Murray was just a fresh faced teenager, similarly during Nadals prime in 08 and 10. The one person he was really competing with was Djockovic as they are the same age. Djockovic benefitted from getting that early major on the board in Aus Open 2008. Even during Novaks prime in 2011-2015 Murray looked like the only one who could compete with him. And now that Murray is in his prime he would batter at least Federer and Nadal for fun.

Maybe not Federer but Nadal/Djokovic/Murray are the same age . . . Nadal has 14 Slams and Djokovic 12!

Murray has a long way to go to be compared in the same league!!

Exactly, Murray is the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.  Murray would probably not even have his grandslams if Nadal hadn't had the injuries he has. Djokovic has a great record v Murray as well, especially in Grand Slams and I would put my money on Djokovic winning the upcoming ATP World Tour Finals again and getting back to number 1.

What a bullshit statement made with no prove and just a dislike for the brit I assume?

I actually like Murray,but going by Nadal's grand slam record before injury hit him I would say that he would have encountered Murray in one of his 3 grand slams wins and more than likely have won.  But due to injury Nadal has missed a lot of tournaments and even the dlams he has been involved in have seen only a shell of the former Nadal.

Murray won US Open 2012, runner up in Australian Open 2013, won Wimbledon 2013 in same years Nadal won French Open 2012 / 2013, won US open 2013 and runner up Australian Open 2012, bet loads wish they had that injury!
Exactly Some rubbish spouted on here, federer nadal and Djokovic all faced easier opponents when they won the first slam, that is a huge break to get which Murray never had that luxury, also Murray always had the weight of a nation on his shoulders and Fred Perry legacy to break which is harder especially with the English media, Murray has a great record against federer 11-14 also beat him in 2012 Olympics final and Djokovic, remember too federer has huge crowd support which helps and gives an advantage, his record against nadal and Djokovic not as good, remember too Murray had operation in 2013 and after that rehab to come to this level is testamount to Murray, Murray has a tougher draw than Novak in the atp finals but should go very close and I expect him to break his Australian hoodoo in January, 3 slams , 2 golds singles , 1 Davis cup is an unreal achievement, and should be celebrated, I reckon he will win 2 slams next year and win at least 8 like Lendl

I would doubt the assumption that Federer, Nadal and Djokovic all faced easier opponents in their first slam. I'd say that when they won their first they would have been a lower seed than Murray when he won his first. There isn't a massive age gap between RN, ND and AM. The first two have 26 slams between them and Murray has the same amount as Wawrinka. It will be Grand Slams that they are ultimately judged on.

Murray could push on from here and dominate for the next couple of years. But he needs to start adding to his Grand Slam total, and there will be plenty out there aiming to shoot him down. Murray put a serious effort in the last couple of months to get the number one spot. Not sure if that'll impact upon him at the beginning of next year.

Of course he'll win the big one... SPOTY

Great post!!! If he was Irish you would be creaming yourself. He has done amazing fair dues.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on November 20, 2016, 10:36:02 PM
According to Paul Hayward of the Telegraph, Andy Murray, in talking about RF, RD & NS, has "seen them all off"

 :-[
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on November 20, 2016, 10:45:57 PM
Regarding SPOTY, if Hamilton somehow ends up World Champion he could be worth a flutter.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on November 20, 2016, 10:54:06 PM
According to Paul Hayward of the Telegraph, Andy Murray, in talking about RF, RD & NS, has "seen them all off"

 :-[
ND?  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Estimator on November 20, 2016, 11:13:19 PM
Regarding SPOTY, if Hamilton somehow ends up World Champion he could be worth a flutter.

Can't see Hamilton winning it. When he won in 2014, it was a very quiet year for sporting success. No Olympics or World Championships in Athletics, poor performances in the World Cup for England. No stand out boxer. Sure McIlroy was 2nd and Pavey 3rd in the vote.

Murray has it wrapped up. His best year in tennis. The Olympians might challenge, but Murray should win.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on November 21, 2016, 08:21:57 AM
Murray has deservedly finished the year as number 1, and given the currewnt state of play there is really only Djokovic as a mjor obstacle in his quest to win more majors.  He hasn't 'saw off' Federer or Nadal, both these players were a level above Murray but one has had too many birthdays while the other has been ruined by injury.  Djokovic has been on some run the past few years and at his best is better than Murray, but on recent form he is a pale shadown of himself while Murray is in the form of his life.  Djokovic will get out of this slump though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 21, 2016, 10:16:07 AM
Nadal's place in the pantheon of greats should be asterisked as well. Allegedly THE major beneficiary of the destroying of Operation Puerto's bloodbags.

Aren't you the same guy who refuses to consider anything you consider a doping-related slight against cycling in general and Team Sky in particular?!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on November 21, 2016, 12:19:48 PM
Nadal's place in the pantheon of greats should be asterisked as well. Allegedly THE major beneficiary of the destroying of Operation Puerto's bloodbags.

Aren't you the same guy who refuses to consider anything you consider a doping-related slight against cycling in general and Team Sky in particular?!

Would google translate give us an insight into what you are trying to say?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on November 21, 2016, 01:13:05 PM
Nadal's place in the pantheon of greats should be asterisked as well. Allegedly THE major beneficiary of the destroying of Operation Puerto's bloodbags.

Aren't you the same guy who refuses to consider anything you consider a doping-related slight against cycling in general and Team Sky in particular?!

Would google translate give us an insight into what you are trying to say?

Probably not for a thick **** like you.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: bennydorano on November 21, 2016, 01:34:57 PM
Ill informed rumour and innuendo is the benchmark  standard of doping debate, thought I'd join in.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on November 28, 2016, 07:40:47 PM
Regarding SPOTY, if Hamilton somehow ends up World Champion he could be worth a flutter.

Can't see Hamilton winning it. When he won in 2014, it was a very quiet year for sporting success. No Olympics or World Championships in Athletics, poor performances in the World Cup for England. No stand out boxer. Sure McIlroy was 2nd and Pavey 3rd in the vote.

Murray has it wrapped up. His best year in tennis. The Olympians might challenge, but Murray should win.

Outside of Bale, Vardy and Murray, the rest are Olympic medalists! Murray should clean up ... was hoping Carl Frampton would have been given a chance but no.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on November 28, 2016, 07:54:54 PM
Nadal's place in the pantheon of greats should be asterisked as well. Allegedly THE major beneficiary of the destroying of Operation Puerto's bloodbags.

Aren't you the same guy who refuses to consider anything you consider a doping-related slight against cycling in general and Team Sky in particular?!

Would google translate give us an insight into what you are trying to say?

Probably not for a thick **** like you.

Still hating all on all fronts gallbladder? Good man.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: muppet on December 20, 2016, 04:09:02 PM
http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/38379952 (http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/38379952)

Petra Kvitova 'fortunate to be alive' after potentially career-threatening knife attack
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: No wides on January 19, 2017, 11:32:53 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/38673905 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/38673905)

Novak Djokovic: Australian Open champion knocked out by world 117 Denis Istomin!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2017, 07:45:45 AM
Murray out
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Estimator on January 22, 2017, 08:57:59 AM
A lot of the bookies/tipsters were promoting the odds for a Djokovic/Murray last week, as they were that far ahead of the chasing pack! Thought the pair of them would at least reach the semi finals. Federer and Nadal now have an excellent chance to extend their GS record. Wawrinka is well placed to win his 4th, or Raonic to win his first.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 22, 2017, 09:02:32 AM
A lot of the bookies/tipsters were promoting the odds for a Djokovic/Murray last week, as they were that far ahead of the chasing pack! Thought the pair of them would at least reach the semi finals. Federer and Nadal now have an excellent chance to extend their GS record. Wawrinka is well placed to win his 4th, or Raonic to win his first.

Federer will be doing well getting past Nishikoro
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 23, 2017, 09:04:27 AM
Fitness and age could go against Federer now though, be interesting to see what he is like after thon marathon the last day.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 25, 2017, 12:43:22 PM
Great performance from Nadal today. Paddypower now have Nadal and Federer as the two favourites. Wawrinka's three career wins against Federer have all been on clay, so Fed possibly nudging that one at the minute. Dimitrov a bit of an unknown quantity for a guy who was the heir apparent a few years ago. Has one SF to his name I think. Lovely player who can trouble anybody but given how Nadal pushed past a much better and more in form player in Raonic, it might be a step too far for him.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 26, 2017, 09:19:18 AM
A Serena-Venus final and odds on for a Nadal-Federer final. It's like we've gone back a decade.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on January 26, 2017, 10:27:58 AM
Federer losing his way a bit in the third here, looks like thon root Wawrinka is going to take this set.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 26, 2017, 10:53:36 AM
Why exactly is he a root?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 26, 2017, 12:21:23 PM
Federer does it. Remarkable achievement. If Nadal makes final (which is still a big if), I think he'd be far happier to face Federer than Wawrinka.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 27, 2017, 01:50:45 PM
Nadal comes through an absolutely epic five hour, five set against Dimitrov to set up the dream final.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: seafoid on January 27, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
I was talking to.a doctor who said Nadal would need knee replacements by age 50
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 27, 2017, 06:29:17 PM
Nadal comes through an absolutely epic five hour, five set against Dimitrov to set up the dream final.

Great to see.  Two of the greatest of all time having another moment in the main stage.  I remember watching their wimbledon final epic in a holiday inn at Stansted airport. Was flying out early the next morning with work and sat with about 100 people watching it. Craic in the place was unreal. The bar staff said they had never seen as good an atmosphere in the bar for a sporting event.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AhNowRef on January 27, 2017, 06:45:45 PM
Yeah that 2008 final is the best final of any sport Ive ever seen .. unreal .... Both incredible players but I did want Federer to win as I think he plays the game with unparalleled panache  ..  he obviously didnt win but Nadal is class too.. & he's the ultimate athlete & contender..

Always found these 2 far more likable than Djokovic (and more recently Murray .. just because he's so bloody monotonous)

Mon Federer
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on January 27, 2017, 09:01:37 PM
Yeah that 2008 final is the best final of any sport Ive ever seen .. unreal .... Both incredible players but I did want Federer to win as I think he plays the game with unparalleled panache  ..  he obviously didnt win but Nadal is class too.. & he's the ultimate athlete & contender..

Always found these 2 far more likable than Djokovic (and more recently Murray .. just because he's so bloody monotonous)

Mon Federer

Nadal has long been said to have taken performance enhancers, nothing has ever been proven but for some reason I cannot fathom I have nevervpulled for him since hearing that.

Federer to have one last day in the sun, fair play to both men, brilliant achievement.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gawa316 on January 28, 2017, 05:23:19 AM
Williams sisters in the other final...couldn't have wished for better finals
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 28, 2017, 08:04:49 AM
Yeah that 2008 final is the best final of any sport Ive ever seen .. unreal .... Both incredible players but I did want Federer to win as I think he plays the game with unparalleled panache  ..  he obviously didnt win but Nadal is class too.. & he's the ultimate athlete & contender..

Always found these 2 far more likable than Djokovic (and more recently Murray .. just because he's so bloody monotonous)

Mon Federer

Nadal has long been said to have taken performance enhancers, nothing has ever been proven but for some reason I cannot fathom I have nevervpulled for him since hearing that.

Federer to have one last day in the sun, fair play to both men, brilliant achievement.

Tennis has long been known to have a huge problem with drugs. The only thing I'd say is that if Nadal is/was on them, you can bet everybody else was too. Djokovic came through at the beginning of '08 but then developed a reputation for quitting and not being able to hack the biggest matches either physically or mentally. Suddenly, in '11 everything changed and he became unbeatable, even outlasting Nadal. I'm sure the vegan diet was entirely responsible for that...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 28, 2017, 10:39:24 AM
Yeah that 2008 final is the best final of any sport Ive ever seen .. unreal .... Both incredible players but I did want Federer to win as I think he plays the game with unparalleled panache  ..  he obviously didnt win but Nadal is class too.. & he's the ultimate athlete & contender..

Always found these 2 far more likable than Djokovic (and more recently Murray .. just because he's so bloody monotonous)

Mon Federer

Nadal has long been said to have taken performance enhancers, nothing has ever been proven but for some reason I cannot fathom I have nevervpulled for him since hearing that.

Federer to have one last day in the sun, fair play to both men, brilliant achievement.

Tennis has long been known to have a huge problem with drugs. The only thing I'd say is that if Nadal is/was on them, you can bet everybody else was too. Djokovic came through at the beginning of '08 but then developed a reputation for quitting and not being able to hack the biggest matches either physically or mentally. Suddenly, in '11 everything changed and he became unbeatable, even outlasting Nadal. I'm sure the vegan diet was entirely responsible for that...

Maybe he copied Usain Bolts chicken nugget diet
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on January 28, 2017, 10:54:55 AM
Serena has to be considered the best of all time at this stage, she is an incredible athlete and is an outstanding role model for young girls the world over, fair play to her and Venus, they are amazing women altogether.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 29, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
Great game. Nadal dominant in the 2nd. Fed in the 3rd (so far - could change). They seem to take breathers!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 29, 2017, 11:01:11 AM
Great game. Nadal dominant in the 2nd. Fed in the 3rd (so far - could change). They seem to take breathers!
Dunno if Fed has the juice for a 5th set. They've still got a few tricks though!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 29, 2017, 11:58:51 AM
Looks like he's got the juice alright! This is very enjoyable stuff!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 29, 2017, 11:59:50 AM
Looks like he's got the juice alright! This is very enjoyable stuff!
Must have got a wee shot of something good on his medical break  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BennyHarp on January 29, 2017, 12:04:42 PM
Looked like Nadal took breathers on the Fed serve for a few games after he broke him in the last.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
Fed does it, what a story
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on January 29, 2017, 12:19:17 PM
Some comeback for Fed. I thought he was fed and buried in that last set  :-X
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on January 29, 2017, 12:21:56 PM
Incredible. Has Fed ever been more magnificent? Up there with his finest achievements.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 29, 2017, 12:23:07 PM
Bugger that. Utterly incredible drama at the end but it has to be said, over the course of the match, the higher standard of tennis came from Federer. Nadal had the advantage in the final set and uncharacteristically gave it up, but not without a fight. Federer earned those breaks and is a deserving winner.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on January 29, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
Brillant by federer, 18th grand slam...some achievement to win so soon after 6 months out of tennis.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2017, 12:24:42 PM
Incredible. Has Fed ever been more magnificent? Up there with his finest achievements.

I wonder will that do him ? With Djokovic off form he could hit 20 this year
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: StGallsGAA on January 29, 2017, 01:18:15 PM
Absolutely unbelievable. Approaching 36 and winning his 18th Grand Slam 5 years after his 17th!  A super human feat!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on January 29, 2017, 04:34:21 PM
First player to win three seprarate grand slams 5 times
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on January 29, 2017, 05:22:02 PM
First player to win three seprarate grand slams 5 times

Best ever, wow.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on January 29, 2017, 05:38:34 PM
Commentator: "So, Roger, what are the benefits of living in Switzerland?"

Federer: "Not many, but at least the flag is a big plus"
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on January 29, 2017, 08:59:54 PM
That was exhilarating stuff. There was a rally in the last set which was spellbinding. Fed won it, so Rafa aced the next serve. No idea how their legs held up. I ran up the stairs there now and near buckled.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: BarryBreensBandage on January 29, 2017, 10:20:10 PM
Yeah that 2008 final is the best final of any sport Ive ever seen .. unreal .... Both incredible players but I did want Federer to win as I think he plays the game with unparalleled panache  ..  he obviously didnt win but Nadal is class too.. & he's the ultimate athlete & contender..

Always found these 2 far more likable than Djokovic (and more recently Murray .. just because he's so bloody monotonous)

Mon Federer

Nadal has long been said to have taken performance enhancers, nothing has ever been proven but for some reason I cannot fathom I have nevervpulled for him since hearing that.

Federer to have one last day in the sun, fair play to both men, brilliant achievement.

Tennis has long been known to have a huge problem with drugs. The only thing I'd say is that if Nadal is/was on them, you can bet everybody else was too. Djokovic came through at the beginning of '08 but then developed a reputation for quitting and not being able to hack the biggest matches either physically or mentally. Suddenly, in '11 everything changed and he became unbeatable, even outlasting Nadal. I'm sure the vegan diet was entirely responsible for that...

What a game - this was one to show the kids what the sport of Tennis is about - we may not see such greats in a final again for another generation. Federer is the best I have seen, and I am going back to McEnroe, Edberg, Sampras, Agassi.

On the drugs issue mentioned above - I was going to post earlier that I found it interesting that since Federer called for the cheats to be outed (after Sharapova was banned), that Djokovic's form has gone to shite. At the time I thought this was a direct slant from Federer to Djokovic and, until today, Nadal. You just know that Murray is on nothing as he is so inconsistent and looks completely wrecked after any match he plays (maybe he is on the spliffs).

The reverence that Federer showed today when talking about Nadal makes me think that his demand on outing cheats was solely aimed at Djokovic, who, imo, is as guilty as a puppy sitting beside a pile of poo.



Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AhNowRef on January 30, 2017, 12:29:40 PM
Wow .. what a match  :o

When Nadal went 2 up in the final set I was thinking, ah feck here we go again, Nadals mental strength was gonna win the day again .... but no, Federer kept his composure and totally outplayed him .. even winning most of the long rallies which he never seemed to be able to do against Nadal in the past.... He just played brilliantly, his mind held up and his serve was lethal too ....

Delighted he won .. 2 great players but Federer No1 for sure .. 

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on January 30, 2017, 12:38:44 PM
Inspirational. I went out yesterday afternoon like a kid all fired up and ready to play like Roger. And sure enough I did. Roger Moore is 89.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AhNowRef on January 30, 2017, 12:39:44 PM
I have to say I thought Nadals call for hawkeye at the very end was a bit sh1tty ... sort of took the moment away from Federer a wee bit  :-\

a blind man could see it was in ...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on January 30, 2017, 01:12:51 PM
I have to say I thought Nadals call for hawkeye at the very end was a bit sh1tty ... sort of took the moment away from Federer a wee bit  :-\

a blind man could see it was in ...

You could play that game about Ger taking a medical timeout before the 5th.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AhNowRef on January 30, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
I have to say I thought Nadals call for hawkeye at the very end was a bit sh1tty ... sort of took the moment away from Federer a wee bit  :-\

a blind man could see it was in ...

You could play that game about Ger taking a medical timeout before the 5th.

Ah no i dont think so .. they all take treatment breaks .. The Hawkeye call never looked out and sorta spoiled his moment ... No big deal though in the grand scheme of things..
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on January 30, 2017, 01:28:37 PM
Inspirational. I went out yesterday afternoon like a kid all fired up and ready to play like Roger. And sure enough I did. Roger Moore is 89.

Lol. So Double Oh is only a few years older than yourself?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: AZOffaly on January 30, 2017, 03:26:36 PM
Don't watch much tennis any more, actually not since the days of my youth trying to copy Becker, Lendl and the rest in the tarmac court in Ferbane. For approximately 3 weeks, and then it was onto Pitch and Putt in time for the golf.

I watched the last few games there, and it was very enjoyable, but come here, has Nadal always grunted like lad suffering from eating too much 'binding' stuff, or is that new? Jaysus it's very hard to listen to. I remember your one Seles started that racket (no pun intended) back in the day, and it was sneered at, but is it common in Men's tennis now?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on January 30, 2017, 03:45:03 PM
Don't watch much tennis any more, actually not since the days of my youth trying to copy Becker, Lendl and the rest in the tarmac court in Ferbane. For approximately 3 weeks, and then it was onto Pitch and Putt in time for the golf.

I watched the last few games there, and it was very enjoyable, but come here, has Nadal always grunted like lad suffering from eating too much 'binding' stuff, or is that new? Jaysus it's very hard to listen to. I remember your one Seles started that racket (no pun intended) back in the day, and it was sneered at, but is it common in Men's tennis now?

Murray is at it as well. Must be a psychological aspect to it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Asal Mor on January 31, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
Kimmage making the good point in the indo today that Nadal, Serena and Venus who were all outed in the Fancy Bears TUE lists have faced hardly any negative press unlike Wiggins whose legacy has been ruined.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on March 15, 2017, 07:31:10 PM
I see that Caroline Wasniaki has made it through to the quarter final of the tournament in Indian Wells. Which is good because all the other female competitors are dogs.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on June 11, 2017, 06:43:43 PM
Rafa eases to La Decima. Incredible in the open era. His record at the French since his first match is Won 79 Lost 2!! And I'm pretty sure the two he lost were years he was struggling with injury?

Him and the Fed sharing the Majors this year so far.  Incredible and shows just how good those two were in their prime
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 11, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
Rafa eases to La Decima. Incredible in the open era. His record at the French since his first match is Won 79 Lost 2!! And I'm pretty sure the two he lost were years he was struggling with injury?

Him and the Fed sharing the Majors this year so far.  Incredible and shows just how good those two were in their prime

Injury let Soderling beat him in 09 and he subsequently missed Wimbledon. 2015 he just wasn't up to it against Djokovic.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on June 11, 2017, 06:55:03 PM
Rafa eases to La Decima. Incredible in the open era. His record at the French since his first match is Won 79 Lost 2!! And I'm pretty sure the two he lost were years he was struggling with injury?

Him and the Fed sharing the Majors this year so far.  Incredible and shows just how good those two were in their prime

I always thought he was on the juice, he was impossibly quick and impossibly strong, if clean it is an incredible feat, to me he would be the best ever, that said the spectre of drug use is never too far away feom Nadal, that said, incredible job Rafa....... For Now.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Syferus on June 11, 2017, 07:49:20 PM
Rafa eases to La Decima. Incredible in the open era. His record at the French since his first match is Won 79 Lost 2!! And I'm pretty sure the two he lost were years he was struggling with injury?

Him and the Fed sharing the Majors this year so far.  Incredible and shows just how good those two were in their prime

I always thought he was on the juice, he was impossibly quick and impossibly strong, if clean it is an incredible feat, to me he would be the best ever, that said the spectre of drug use is never too far away feom Nadal, that said, incredible job Rafa....... For Now.

Yawn.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 04, 2017, 07:07:06 PM
I don't care what y'all say - Caroline Wozniacki is easy on the eye.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: punt kick on July 10, 2017, 08:33:09 PM
Nadal match some game.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hardy on July 10, 2017, 08:35:19 PM
Nadal match some game.
Brilliant. Muller will trouble anybody in this tournament.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: hardstation on July 12, 2017, 03:46:51 PM
Stupid Jock.....it seems.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: punt kick on July 12, 2017, 04:27:15 PM
Stupid Jock.....it seems.

Did very well. Obviously troubled by an injury played on didn't call for physio. Lad needs a few months off.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 12, 2017, 04:42:38 PM
Muller bate.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: punt kick on July 12, 2017, 06:17:20 PM
Federer's to lose.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Sandino on July 14, 2017, 06:45:31 PM
Best tennis player at wimbledon is now 37 year old, get me a break!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: stew on July 14, 2017, 07:10:43 PM
Best tennis player at wimbledon is now 37 year old, get me a break!

 I played the game for many years ad he is the best of all time, so no problem with RFED being the main man.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on July 14, 2017, 07:47:16 PM
Best tennis player at wimbledon is now 37 year old, get me a break!

 I played the game for many years ad he is the best of all time, so no problem with RFED being the main man.
Think they meant Venus.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on July 16, 2017, 03:54:18 PM
So Fed picks up A 8th Title at 35, oldest man to do that from late 60`s i believe.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on July 16, 2017, 03:56:21 PM
What a player
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on July 17, 2017, 12:13:16 AM
Brilliant player, but easiest title; won it almost by default, both Murray and Djoko injured and Nadal caught on the blindside (though Fed would've taken him anyway I feel).
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on July 17, 2017, 09:22:10 AM
Brilliant player, but easiest title; won it almost by default, both Murray and Djoko injured and Nadal caught on the blindside (though Fed would've taken him anyway I feel).

Not as handy a run as the one Murray had to win last year.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: punt kick on July 17, 2017, 09:38:33 AM
Brilliant player, but easiest title; won it almost by default, both Murray and Djoko injured and Nadal caught on the blindside (though Fed would've taken him anyway I feel).

Not as handy a run as the one Murray had to win last year.

FFS you can only beat who is in front of you.  Murray is an awesome player.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Thastheball on January 29, 2018, 01:52:41 PM
What can one say about Federer, Number one sports man in the history of sport. has it all, skill, class, endurance, career span, GOAT in his sport, very likable, brilliant with the media, family man, in other words all you would want in a package.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on January 29, 2018, 02:01:04 PM
Brilliant player, but easiest title; won it almost by default, both Murray and Djoko injured and Nadal caught on the blindside (though Fed would've taken him anyway I feel).


None of that's Federer's fault. Great to see a decent role model and likable personality winning again I always liked him.

Nothing better than watching him in full flow hes just such a natural player he's class!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on January 29, 2018, 02:21:42 PM
What can one say about Federer, Number one sports man in the history of sport. has it all, skill, class, endurance, career span, GOAT in his sport, very likable, brilliant with the media, family man, in other words all you would want in a package.

Yeah oustanding, 20 titles is some going, he was coasting yesterday and then he had to dig himself out of a hole and the extra class told
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 29, 2018, 04:18:49 PM
In the list of the greatest sportsmen of all time, he definitely has to be up there in the top 5 at least and was said earlier, the grace and class he carries himself with is unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 29, 2018, 05:05:39 PM
What can one say about Federer, Number one sports man in the history of sport. has it all, skill, class, endurance, career span, GOAT in his sport, very likable, brilliant with the media, family man, in other words all you would want in a package.

Yeah oustanding, 20 titles is some going, he was coasting yesterday and then he had to dig himself out of a hole and the extra class told

I remember watching this match many years ago. Passing of the torch moment.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/wimbledon_2001/1418928.stm

Did nt realise Sampras was "only" 29 then. Think he won his last major in 2002 when he was 30. Just goes to show how incredible Federer (and Nadal's) longevity is.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Therealdonald on January 29, 2018, 06:25:58 PM
I'm not sure how to create a thread...is it a stretch to consider the last 20 years the Golden Era of Sports? Consider the main sports/sports events in the world.
Tennis- Roger or Nadal
Golf- Tiger
Soccer - Messi/Ronaldo/Zidane
Racing - McCoy
Boxing - Mayweather (probably not the strongest category)
Athletics - Bolt, Phelps
Darts - Taylor
Snooker - O'Sullivan
NFL - Brady
NBA - Bryant or Lebron
GAA - The Kilkenny 4 in a row/ Dubs atm

Add in Schumacher, the fat Ronaldo and I feel its been a real golden era for sports. Add in again Henman Hill and its consistent disappointment for bonus points.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 29, 2018, 07:43:56 PM
I'm not sure how to create a thread...is it a stretch to consider the last 20 years the Golden Era of Sports? Consider the main sports/sports events in the world.
Tennis- Roger or Nadal
Golf- Tiger
Soccer - Messi/Ronaldo/Zidane
Racing - McCoy
Boxing - Mayweather (probably not the strongest category)
Athletics - Bolt, Phelps
Darts - Taylor
Snooker - O'Sullivan
NFL - Brady
NBA - Bryant or Lebron
GAA - The Kilkenny 4 in a row/ Dubs atm

Add in Schumacher, the fat Ronaldo and I feel its been a real golden era for sports. Add in again Henman Hill and its consistent disappointment for bonus points.

I know what you are saying but I would say accessibility and coverage have a lot to do with it. You can argue a lot about athletes from different eras who never directly competed with each other. For example Why Tiger above Nicklaus? Why Messi over pele? Mayweather over Ali?  Hendry over o Sullivan?

 I do think it definitely is for tennis though. 3 of the top 6 slam winners of all time competing against each other largely in their prime is unheard of.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Wildweasel74 on January 29, 2018, 08:16:32 PM
I have nobody over Ali
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on July 11, 2018, 05:05:44 PM
Federer in some battle.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 05:10:43 PM
Federer in some battle.

Great match
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: hardstation on July 11, 2018, 05:13:15 PM
Thon boy looks like he borrowed his gear from an uncle.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on July 11, 2018, 05:29:23 PM
Some comeback
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 11, 2018, 05:53:22 PM
Some big wins for Anderson in the last year having made the US Open final too.

Really incredible from Federer to lose from being two up with match point. Anderson's serving was incredible though.

Essentially means Djokovic vs (likely) Nadal on Friday will be the final in all but name.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Insane Bolt on July 13, 2018, 08:17:41 PM
Amazing semi final....99 games in the match. Don't think Serena has played that many games to get to the final. Equal prize money is a nonsense
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Capt Pat on July 13, 2018, 08:36:29 PM
50 games in the final set of the Anderson Isner semi final before Anderson came out on top. Amazing stuff.

Nadal and Djokovic could be a long match too.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on July 13, 2018, 08:48:52 PM
A relative sprint for Isner who was also involved in this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_tennis_match_records
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 13, 2018, 10:11:46 PM
A relative sprint for Isner who was also involved in this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_tennis_match_records

And promptly lost his next match in straights if I recall correctly. Anderson will be banjaxed but so will whoever wins this one giving it'll go into tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 13, 2018, 10:14:04 PM
Possibly not as banjaxed though. These two guys are relentless. They must be a nightmare to play.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 13, 2018, 10:19:39 PM
Serious fitness levels from top players in tennis.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 13, 2018, 10:22:14 PM
Possibly not as banjaxed though. These two guys are relentless. They must be a nightmare to play.

Aye but if they also go deep into a fifth that's played tomorrow. I suspect as well that it would have to be played after the women's final rather than before, so they could be playing quite late tomorrow afternoon/evening.

Then again, Anderson now has two insanely long five setters in his legs in three days.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 13, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
Oh didn't realise it could be played after. Might increase tiredness.

I rarely watch tennis but these two guys are phenomenal- great to watch. I think djokovic maybe will have a bit more in the end.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 13, 2018, 10:44:33 PM
Oh didn't realise it could be played after. Might increase tiredness.

I rarely watch tennis but these two guys are phenomenal- great to watch. I think djokovic maybe will have a bit more in the end.

I'm not sure but I'd imagine that as there's all the pomp and ceremony of a final, royal visits etc, the start time of the women's would be set in stone. Don't know if it could be moved to Court 1 either.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: macdanger2 on July 13, 2018, 10:51:25 PM
Is there any chance that these tennis players are not on PEDs?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 13, 2018, 11:06:01 PM
Is there any chance that these tennis players are not on PEDs?

God no. Brilliant stuff to watch though.

They've just said that they'll have the choice to play either before or after the women's.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 13, 2018, 11:06:59 PM
Players choice whether before or after apparently....

Interesting point on 5th set should go to tie break at 12 each in a grand slam. Makes sense.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: macdanger2 on July 13, 2018, 11:09:58 PM
Is there any chance that these tennis players are not on PEDs?

God no. Brilliant stuff to watch though.

They've just said that they'll have the choice to play either before or after the women's.

Ah yeah, great entertainment
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 14, 2018, 03:30:23 PM
They're still going. Brilliant stuff altogether. Maybe Anderson will end up being the least tired tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 14, 2018, 04:21:16 PM
Hard to separate but fair f**ks to both players!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: screenexile on September 09, 2018, 01:06:16 AM
Hard to separate but fair f**ks to both players!

Havenít seen it properly but was Serena Williams badly done there getting docked a a game?

Her interview after was very good and her words for Osaka but it seems very harsh.

Not a good US Open for the officials!!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on September 09, 2018, 05:21:51 AM
Hard to separate but fair f**ks to both players!

Havenít seen it properly but was Serena Williams badly done there getting docked a a game?

Her interview after was very good and her words for Osaka but it seems very harsh.

Not a good US Open for the officials!!

Tennis needs to stamp this shit out. No matter if the official was right or wrong her reaction deserves serious punnishment but nothing will happen. Can you imagine any other sport allowing such a show - its embarrassing. Kyrgios is another one who takes the absolute piss. Need lengthy bans when they start behaving like muppets.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Over the Bar on September 09, 2018, 05:32:54 AM
Is there any chance that these tennis players are not on PEDs?

Like Dublin?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2018, 06:07:35 AM
Was she f**k badly done. Called the umpire a liar, a thief and threatened his career. Pulled the line about being a mother. Pulled the line about bring a woman. She has form for that sort of thing too.

It was, correctly, her third code violation of the evening. She was warned, then had a point deduction, then had a game docked.

The worst bit of it all was that Osaka was brilliant and we cruising to the win. Serena completely ruined it on her.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Rois on September 09, 2018, 07:07:04 AM

The worst bit of it all was that Osaka was brilliant and we cruising to the win. Serena completely ruined it on her.
I agree 100% with this, the poor girl had no clue how to react and should have been elated at her performance. Serena was a disgrace.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2018, 07:26:57 AM

The worst bit of it all was that Osaka was brilliant and we cruising to the win. Serena completely ruined it on her.
I agree 100% with this, the poor girl had no clue how to react and should have been elated at her performance. Serena was a disgrace.

She was distraught. For a girl who had just won her first grand slam it should have been the greatest moment of her life and Serena, and consequently the crowd, took it from her.

Purely focusing on the tennis, Osaka's play this tournament had been incredible. She bossed Serena the way few been have ever been able to.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: omaghjoe on September 09, 2018, 07:44:35 AM
TBF she has had a tough time lately which she has thankfully been very public about.

She is a driven woman and her emotions just got the better of her, she was out of line but I hope people aren't too sore on her.
Unfortunate all around especially for the Osaka girl

Also the original warning that set it all off was bizarre, never ever heard of that rule.
 

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2018, 07:51:37 AM
You don't know that you can't be coached on court during grand slams? You evidently don't watch any tennis. Moratouglou has acknowledged he was coaching her

She has been through a shit time. Trying to use it to explain or justify her behaviour is embarrassing. She undermines feminist movements by trying to claim she's being persecuted as such in this instance.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on September 09, 2018, 11:25:50 AM
Did anyone watch it on Amazon Prime (I think).

Very annoying that it was not on Sky Sports at least.

Anywhere I can watch it now?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on September 09, 2018, 11:35:34 AM
Did anyone watch it on Amazon Prime (I think).

Yes
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: grounded on September 09, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Was she f**k badly done. Called the umpire a liar, a thief and threatened his career. Pulled the line about being a mother. Pulled the line about bring a woman. She has form for that sort of thing too.

It was, correctly, her third code violation of the evening. She was warned, then had a point deduction, then had a game docked.

The worst bit of it all was that Osaka was brilliant and we cruising to the win. Serena completely ruined it on her.

Im inclined to go along with you here. She's a once in a generation player, a great champion and athlete and has been through a rough ordeal but that is no way to behave.
        As said above she essentially threatened that umpire's career(hypothetically consider if a top male tennis player said the same to a female umpire) emotional, angry, feeling hard done by is no excuse.
         Fined and fined heavily i would say would be the height of it although in most other sports a lengthy ban would follow.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: manfromdelmonte on September 09, 2018, 01:54:13 PM
American crowds are very partisan.
Delighted for the Japanese girl
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Minder on September 09, 2018, 03:22:52 PM
Williams was a disgrace and didnít even catch herself on after it, saying the umpire was ďsexistĒ for docking her a game as he has never docked a man a game for calling him a thief !! Has any male player called him a thief before. As for all the I am fighting for equal rights for women, equal prize money would be closer to it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on September 09, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
Williams was a disgrace and didnít even catch herself on after it, saying the umpire was ďsexistĒ for docking her a game as he has never docked a man a game for calling him a thief !! Has any male player called him a thief before. As for all the I am fighting for equal rights for women, equal prize money would be closer to it.

They would have to start playing a few more sets then.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: SHEEDY on September 09, 2018, 08:18:06 PM
thought serena was a disgrace, came across as a bully and really sore loser. surprised at a number of tennis commentators comimg out to support her. no one wants to criticise her or get on her wrong side it seems. ruined what should have been osaka's moment.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on September 09, 2018, 08:33:53 PM
I felt for Osaka.  Serena is her hero and she was crying her eyes out afterwards with all the booing instead of being ecstatic to win.  Serena came across as very spoiled.  The one thing Serena made a mistake with was that the umpire called a code violation against her coach not against her (she might be having words with her coach on this).  I don't think she was even looking at the coach.  Her coach was gesturing for her to move in towards the net (maybe more talking to himself than Serena) but Serena was at the far end of the court not even looking at him.  She said to the umpire she doesn't cheat but the rule is your coach can't give instructions, not whether she saw the instructions.  She then smashed her racked because she was getting wiped.  The umpire was probably being pedantic and might have liked the limelight on the third violation (he could have said you are potentially going to lose a game if you keep talking) but it doesn't set a bad precedent that if you complain excessively (potentially unnerving your opponent) you get a code violation, keep talking and the violations will keep coming.  I've done it myself in fairness playing squash, smashed a racket against the wall when getting my @ss kicked.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: ONeill on September 09, 2018, 08:42:25 PM
Hard to separate but fair f**ks to both players!

Havenít seen it properly but was Serena Williams badly done there getting docked a a game?

Her interview after was very good and her words for Osaka but it seems very harsh.

Not a good US Open for the officials!!

WTF
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on September 09, 2018, 09:24:13 PM
I've been reading about this all day but have only just seen it now or the best/worst bits anyway. I thought she behaved appallingly and doubled down on it by continuing it in her press conference.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Mikhail Prokhorov on September 09, 2018, 09:26:03 PM
she has plenty of previous as well at the US open, spoilt brat who can't behave
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: RedHand88 on September 10, 2018, 12:19:04 PM
I really feel for Osaka in this instance. Had the greatest moment of her life upstaged by a petulant brat who used sexism as the reason she lost, even though it was a woman v woman match. My head hurts.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: omaghjoe on September 10, 2018, 04:28:37 PM
I dont agree with her actions or language, the demeanor of the crowd was way out of whack, I also don't agree with the whataboutery
It was awful for the Osaka girl also

but...

I was worried about her mental state after her previous implosion which she attributed to post partum depression.
You don't shake the like of that of in a few months.

The last thing she needs is vilification.
For the Serena partisans I would like to see less talk of equality and rules and more about the mental health of new mothers.... that the real issue here for me

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2018, 07:13:12 PM
My daughter absolutely loves Williams, never misses her play and follows everything she does, but on this occasion sheís said Serena has lost the plot!

If it is related to an illness then sheís best to step away from the whole thing, sheís nothing to prove, outstanding athlete who has been at the top of her game for so many years, would be hard to find a player in the next few years to get to the standard she set..

Though my fav was always Stef
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mrdeeds on September 10, 2018, 07:20:48 PM
I dont agree with her actions or language, the demeanor of the crowd was way out of whack, I also don't agree with the whataboutery
It was awful for the Osaka girl also

but...

I was worried about her mental state after her previous implosion which she attributed to post partum depression.
You don't shake the like of that of in a few months.

The last thing she needs is vilification.
For the Serena partisans I would like to see less talk of equality and rules and more about the mental health of new mothers.... that the real issue here for me
 

What about all her outbursts and disgusting things she's said to officials before pregnancy?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: From the Bunker on January 11, 2019, 11:28:48 AM
Andy Murray to call it a day after Wimbledon. Tough to have to call it quits at the age of 31.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: johnnycool on January 11, 2019, 12:07:19 PM
Andy Murray to call it a day after Wimbledon. Tough to have to call it quits at the age of 31.

Hip problems it seems.

Good player but didn't seem to fit the British Wimbledon winner persona that the LTA craved and that's a positive in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on January 11, 2019, 12:11:53 PM
I liked him. Pity to see this. Must be difficult at that age to admit you won't see your best ever again and mightn't do what you love pain free.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on January 14, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
Well, he's out of Aussie now anyway, though typically not without a fight. Beaten by the Spaniard Bustin A Gut.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on January 14, 2019, 12:22:57 PM
Andy Murray to call it a day after Wimbledon. Tough to have to call it quits at the age of 31.

Hip problems it seems.

Good player but didn't seem to fit the British Wimbledon winner persona that the LTA craved and that's a positive in my opinion.

I would argue great player. 11 (I think) Grand Slam finals in probably the golden era of men's tennis is a great record. Hugely unlucky to be fighting it out against three of the best ever at their peak otherwise he would have likely had a few more slam titles.

I always liked him although he got a hard time in the media at times.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 17, 2019, 10:55:22 AM
What does this idiot need to do to get a ban.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/48300357

More and more tennis players think this behaviour is fine and more worryingly more and more peers, fans and journalists happy to make excuses for it.
The guy should be thrown out of the sport
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on May 17, 2019, 12:43:01 PM
What does this idiot need to do to get a ban.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/48300357

More and more tennis players think this behaviour is fine and more worryingly more and more peers, fans and journalists happy to make excuses for it.
The guy should be thrown out of the sport

I saw an article on hiom the other day where the whole focus was on him slabbering about Djokovic and how he cringey he is as he tries too hard to be liked etc.  He let rip on a few other players too.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on May 17, 2019, 03:25:54 PM
Kyrgios is a twat. Always has been and always will be. Fancies himself as a bit of a bad boy of the sport and has taken a few big scalps in his time but he's a dime store McEnroe.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on May 17, 2019, 03:26:48 PM
What does this idiot need to do to get a ban.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/48300357

More and more tennis players think this behaviour is fine and more worryingly more and more peers, fans and journalists happy to make excuses for it.
The guy should be thrown out of the sport

I saw an article on hiom the other day where the whole focus was on him slabbering about Djokovic and how he cringey he is as he tries too hard to be liked etc.  He let rip on a few other players too.

He is a nasty piece of work but instead of being dealt with the authorities bend over backwards for him only for him to embarrass them all again a few weeks later. You can understand why Serena with all her titles sometimes seems untouchable but some also ran in the top 50 really wouldnt be missed
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 09, 2019, 08:31:15 PM
The GOAT picked up his 12th RG today.

A remarkable achievement
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 26, 2019, 07:17:19 PM
I see Wimbledon have shafted Rafa with the seedings. I don't know how they get away with their sordid little seedings system when all the other slams go with the rankings. It really cheapens the event as a whole.

I wonder which giraffe will make a break for it this year.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Hound on June 26, 2019, 10:09:00 PM
I see Wimbledon have shafted Rafa with the seedings. I don't know how they get away with their sordid little seedings system when all the other slams go with the rankings. It really cheapens the event as a whole.

I wonder which giraffe will make a break for it this year.
Theyíre hardly picking on Rafa. All players whoís performance on grass is worse than other surfaces get demoted and vice versa. 9 years since Nadal won it. Federer won it the year before last.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on June 26, 2019, 10:19:32 PM
I see Wimbledon have shafted Rafa with the seedings. I don't know how they get away with their sordid little seedings system when all the other slams go with the rankings. It really cheapens the event as a whole.

I wonder which giraffe will make a break for it this year.
Theyíre hardly picking on Rafa. All players whoís performance on grass is worse than other surfaces get demoted and vice versa. 9 years since Nadal won it. Federer won it the year before last.

Don't see the issue myself. I would seed Federer ahead of Nadal for Wimbledon based on their records there. Djokovic will take care of Nadal in the semi finals, but Nadal probably won't make it that far going by his track record.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 26, 2019, 11:22:32 PM
Nadal made the semifinal last year, losing 9-7 to Djokovic...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on June 27, 2019, 08:53:07 AM
Not sure it makes much difference if 2nd play 3rd in the semi final anyhow.  4th seed vs 3rd maybe would make a difference depending on whether he wants to play Djokovic or Federer in semi.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on June 27, 2019, 09:12:22 AM
Nadal made the semifinal last year, losing 9-7 to Djokovic...

Usually out long before that stage though.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on June 27, 2019, 11:06:10 AM
Nadal made the semifinal last year, losing 9-7 to Djokovic...

Usually out long before that stage though.

6 SF out of 13 appearances. Not bad, comparable with all his US/Australian records.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on June 27, 2019, 01:43:52 PM
Where do people rate these in the pantheon?

Federer has most Slams with 20, just one French but evenly divided between the other 3.
Nadal has 18, has won them all but his haul is dominated by French opens with 12; he's won Australia only once.
Djokovic has 15, again one French, and fairly well divided between the rest.

I would rate Federer the best, because he's won the most, even late in his career, and has always been a supremely stylish player. However, when all three would play their best, I think the others would both beat him, e.g. Wimbledon 2008 final, a memorable US semi v Djokovic, when he failed to convert 2 match points.
For me Djoko second, not as skillful as Fed. but very hard working almost complete all-rounder and extremely difficult to beat. I think his head-to-head v. the other 2 in Slams is positive?
I'd have Nadal third because his clay-court dominance doesn't greatly extend to other surfaces and because I've always felt that his game was more purely power-based, with less of a skill element than the other two. I'm sure more knowledgeable observers would disagree however. Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 27, 2019, 07:02:05 PM
I see Wimbledon have shafted Rafa with the seedings. I don't know how they get away with their sordid little seedings system when all the other slams go with the rankings. It really cheapens the event as a whole.

I wonder which giraffe will make a break for it this year.
Theyíre hardly picking on Rafa. All players whoís performance on grass is worse than other surfaces get demoted and vice versa. 9 years since Nadal won it. Federer won it the year before last.



Don't see the issue myself. I would seed Federer ahead of Nadal for Wimbledon based on their records there. Djokovic will take care of Nadal in the semi finals, but Nadal probably won't make it that far going by his track record.

It's the only slam that deviates from the rankings, an insidious old boys club. So what if Federer won it the year before? He got knocked out a round earlier than Nadal last time round. On the women's side they go with the rankings, it's a very unfair way of doing things.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 27, 2019, 07:24:04 PM
Where do people rate these in the pantheon?

Federer has most Slams with 20, just one French but evenly divided between the other 3.
Nadal has 18, has won them all but his haul is dominated by French opens with 12; he's won Australia only once.
Djokovic has 15, again one French, and fairly well divided between the rest.

I would rate Federer the best, because he's won the most, even late in his career, and has always been a supremely stylish player. However, when all three would play their best, I think the others would both beat him, e.g. Wimbledon 2008 final, a memorable US semi v Djokovic, when he failed to convert 2 match points.
For me Djoko second, not as skillful as Fed. but very hard working almost complete all-rounder and extremely difficult to beat. I think his head-to-head v. the other 2 in Slams is positive?
I'd have Nadal third because his clay-court dominance doesn't greatly extend to other surfaces and because I've always felt that his game was more purely power-based, with less of a skill element than the other two. I'm sure more knowledgeable observers would disagree however. Thoughts?

Nadal and Djokovic are miles ahead of Federer.

Federer was lucky that he happens to be 5/6 years older than them or he'd probably not have clocked 10 slams on the board.

Look at the slams Federer won, 12 of them were 2007 or before, at this point Nadal was 21 and Djokovic 20 - not even near their prime years. For Federer's first 12 slams the competition was basically past it Agassi and Sampras and guys of Federer's vintage who couldn't hack the Nadal/Djokovic/Murray era like Roddick, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Safin etc. Djokovic and Nadal have always had each other as company and Federer and Murray and other guys like Wawrinka and Del Potro.

Nadal and Djokovic both enjoy superior head to head records with Federer.

Nadal for me is unquestionably the greatest of all time. His dominance on clay will never ever be repeated in the sport and the calendar of the tennis season discriminates against clay courters. Clay court plays completely different to grass and hard courts which are very similar, there is only 1 clay court slam and 3 between grass and hard courts.

This clay court power myth seems to be perpetuated in anglocentric countries. Clay court is the one surface that commands a fantastic all round game, it's not just made for one dimensional giraffes to serve ace after ace, the type that you will see dominate the grass and hard court season.

- Marin Cilic is a US Open champion, an Australian Open finalist and Wimbledon finalist. He has never made it past the QF stage at RG.
- Kevin Anderson is a Wimbledon and US Open finalist. He has never made it past R4 of Wimbledon.
- Milos Raonic is a Wimbledon finalist, never past R4 of RG.

There is a high correlation between a one dimensional big server and doing very well at Wimbledon, it's all about bludgeoning the ball past the opponent. On clay it is about strategy, shot selection and variety. The most difficult shot to execute on tennis is the drop shot and you'd don't see it anywhere to great effect as you at Roland Garros.

The cardigan wearing, strawberry and cream brigade don't like having the one dimensional aspect of grass court tennis and the acefests it serves up (no pun intended) pointed out.

Could you imagine an Isner-Anderson semi final with over 100 aces being served up on clay? No, neither could I.





Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
They are currently ahead of Federer? As it is, Federer has amassed more grand slams that the other two, regardless of when he won them. Saying winning one grand slam is easier than winning another is silly, and I canít remember a commentator ever saying that either. It may be harder for certain players to win on clay, and thatís possibly based on what suits their style or how they started out in tennis.

Going out on a limb here but I think they all want to win Wimbledon
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 27, 2019, 08:29:19 PM
They are currently ahead of Federer? As it is, Federer has amassed more grand slams that the other two, regardless of when he won them. Saying winning one grand slam is easier than winning another is silly, and I canít remember a commentator ever saying that either. It may be harder for certain players to win on clay, and thatís possibly based on what suits their style or how they started out in tennis.

Going out on a limb here but I think they all want to win Wimbledon

Djokovic and Nadal are the no 1 and 2 in the world, every other slam goes with the rankings as should Wimbledon. Federer has won 2 more slams than Nadal, 5 more than Djokovic, he is 5 years older than Nadal, 6 than Djokovic, he won 12 of those 20 slams before Nadal  and Djokovic had reached the same age that Federer had captured his first slam at.

Federer has played a distant third over the past decade.
Winning on clay requires a far greater all round game, look at someone like Thiem in comparision to Kevin Anderson. Thiem is a superb all round player, Anderson is a big serving giraffe.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2019, 09:33:24 PM
They are currently ahead of Federer? As it is, Federer has amassed more grand slams that the other two, regardless of when he won them. Saying winning one grand slam is easier than winning another is silly, and I canít remember a commentator ever saying that either. It may be harder for certain players to win on clay, and thatís possibly based on what suits their style or how they started out in tennis.

Going out on a limb here but I think they all want to win Wimbledon

Djokovic and Nadal are the no 1 and 2 in the world, every other slam goes with the rankings as should Wimbledon. Federer has won 2 more slams than Nadal, 5 more than Djokovic, he is 5 years older than Nadal, 6 than Djokovic, he won 12 of those 20 slams before Nadal  and Djokovic had reached the same age that Federer had captured his first slam at.

Federer has played a distant third over the past decade.
Winning on clay requires a far greater all round game, look at someone like Thiem in comparision to Kevin Anderson. Thiem is a superb all round player, Anderson is a big serving giraffe.

But until Nadal wins 2 more to equal and a third to surpass him (should he not win any more) Iíll say (personal choice) that Federer is bigger player. Forget about Anderson letís stick with the 3
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on June 27, 2019, 09:39:34 PM
Will we ignore the elephant in the room?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 27, 2019, 09:41:46 PM
Will we ignore the elephant in the room?

Until itís exactly confirmed Iíll say nowt
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 27, 2019, 09:58:14 PM
They are currently ahead of Federer? As it is, Federer has amassed more grand slams that the other two, regardless of when he won them. Saying winning one grand slam is easier than winning another is silly, and I canít remember a commentator ever saying that either. It may be harder for certain players to win on clay, and thatís possibly based on what suits their style or how they started out in tennis.

Going out on a limb here but I think they all want to win Wimbledon

Djokovic and Nadal are the no 1 and 2 in the world, every other slam goes with the rankings as should Wimbledon. Federer has won 2 more slams than Nadal, 5 more than Djokovic, he is 5 years older than Nadal, 6 than Djokovic, he won 12 of those 20 slams before Nadal  and Djokovic had reached the same age that Federer had captured his first slam at.

Federer has played a distant third over the past decade.
Winning on clay requires a far greater all round game, look at someone like Thiem in comparision to Kevin Anderson. Thiem is a superb all round player, Anderson is a big serving giraffe.

But until Nadal wins 2 more to equal and a third to surpass him (should he not win any more) Iíll say (personal choice) that Federer is bigger player. Forget about Anderson letís stick with the 3

That doesn't really give a fair reflection though. Both Djokovic and Nadal have dominated Federer, Federer had the break of making hay before they came around hasn't had much of a sniff since they did come into their own.

Federer's first 7 Grand Slam finals were against:

Phillopoussis
Safin
Roddick
Hewitt
Roddick
A 35 year old Agassi
Baghdatis

That was the extent of his competition at the time. Roddick and Hewitt are around the same age as Federer, Roddick a year younger and Hewitt the same age. Roddick was a slam champion at 21, Hewitt at 20. These guys were complete non runners when Nadal, Djokovic, Murray broke on the scene yet they were Federer's main competition for his early years. Even the players outside the top 4 in the Nadal, Djokovic, Murray generation were far better players than Hewitt and Roddick. Guys like Wawrinka, Tsonga, Berdych, Del Potro, Ferrer had a far bigger impression on slams than Hewitt and Roddick in the subsequent years.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Estimator on June 28, 2019, 01:12:42 PM
During the French Open I had look at their respective records, and scribbled a few things down just to compare the Big 3.*
Federer had won 5 Slams in 2 years, reached 10 in 4yrs, then 15 in 6yrs and finally 20 in 15yrs.
Nadal had won 5 Slams in 4 years, reached 10 in 7yrs, then 15 in 13yrs and finally 18 in 14yrs.
Djokovic had won 5 Slams in 5 years, reaching 10 in 8yrs, then 11 in years.

Also had a look at the Grand Slam champions since Federers first - Wimbledon 2003. Since then the 3 lads have amassed 53 (inc Federers first) title.  Other winners since then include:
(Only won one)
Andy Roddick - US Open
Gaston Gaudio- French
Marat Safin - Aus
JM Del Potro - US
Marin Cilic - US

The only players to win multiple titles since Wimbledon 2003 are Wawrinka with 3 titles (Aus, French, US) and Murray with 3 titles (2 Wimbledon, 1 US)

Had a look then at the previous 17years (not sure why I landed on 17years)
Multiple grand slam winners include:
Becker (5) Lendl (5) Edberg (5) Wilander (3) Sampras (14) Courier (4) Brugera (2) Kuerten (3) Kafelnikov (2) Agassi (8) Hewitt (2) Rafter (2)

Single Grand slam winners
Cash, Chang, Gomez, Stich, Muster, Krajicek, Korda, Moya, Johannssen, Costa, Ferrero, Ivanisevic.

Certainly seemed more open in terms of winners, with some of those names only good for answers on Pointless.

There endeth my scribbles.
*Might not be 100% accurate - difficulty reading my own hand writing  ???

As for comparing who gets to the Grand Slam finals, it could be  pointed out that:

Wawrinka has won the French open, but has yet to make it past Wimbledon QF's
Thiem has made the last two French open final, but has yet to make it past Wimbledon R4
Ferrer another French Open finalist, didn't get past Wimbledon QF
Soderling, twice a French Open finalist, didn't get past Wimbledon QF
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 28, 2019, 02:30:57 PM
Not that it makes a huge difference but Satin also won the 2000 US Open, absolutely demolishing Sampras, so he is also a multiple champion albeit with one of them before Federer started his collection.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on June 28, 2019, 02:48:42 PM
We are going to ignore it then...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 28, 2019, 05:40:57 PM


Wawrinka has won the French open, but has yet to make it past Wimbledon QF's
Thiem has made the last two French open final, but has yet to make it past Wimbledon R4
Ferrer another French Open finalist, didn't get past Wimbledon QF
Soderling, twice a French Open finalist, didn't get past Wimbledon QF

Look at the prototype of player they are though. They are not just one dimensional  6ft5 servers, they are complete all rounders.  The last slam Soderling took part in was 8 years ago. He was effectively retired at 26 due to medical issues and injuries.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 28, 2019, 05:53:06 PM
During the French Open I had look at their respective records, and scribbled a few things down just to compare the Big 3.*
Federer had won 5 Slams in 2 years, reached 10 in 4yrs, then 15 in 6yrs and finally 20 in 15yrs.
Nadal had won 5 Slams in 4 years, reached 10 in 7yrs, then 15 in 13yrs and finally 18 in 14yrs.
Djokovic had won 5 Slams in 5 years, reaching 10 in 8yrs, then 11 in years.


That bit charts how easy it was for Federer when the competition was Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and Agassi and Sampras were all old men.

When Djokovic and Nadal emerged, Federer was pushed a distant third and remained firmly in their shadows. Djokovic captured his first Australian Open aged 20 in 2008, Nadal captured his first non-clay slam in 2008 also having just turned 22 a few days beforehand.

From then on Djokovic and Nadal have won 14 slams each, Federer has won 8. Both Djokovic and Nadal have a superior head to head record against Federer at slams. Djokovic and Nadal have both won slams where they have had to face both Federer and each other enroute. Federer hasn't. Nadal has beaten Federer on all surfaces at slams, so has Djokovic. Nadal has beaten Djokovic on all surfaces in slams, and Djokovic has done the same to Nadal. Federer has never beaten Nadal at RG.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2019, 06:05:07 PM
We get it, Nadal is best on clay. Ask any player, theyíll want to win Wimbledon. Itís the big slam
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 28, 2019, 06:35:41 PM
We get it, Nadal is best on clay. Ask any player, theyíll want to win Wimbledon. Itís the big slam

We get it, you are seduced by the cardigan doffing and strawberries and cream. It's the freakshows and ton plus aces that you admire in tennis.

Enjoy the giraffe fest over the next fortnight, the real tennis was last month, this is novelty safari tennis.

The facts simply don't lie.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 28, 2019, 10:50:58 PM
We get it, Nadal is best on clay. Ask any player, theyíll want to win Wimbledon. Itís the big slam

We get it, you are seduced by the cardigan doffing and strawberries and cream. It's the freakshows and ton plus aces that you admire in tennis.

Enjoy the giraffe fest over the next fortnight, the real tennis was last month, this is novelty safari tennis.

The facts simply don't lie.

Nadalís words, not mine


ďI love everything about it,'' Nadal said. "The grass gives something special to the tournament. When you walk around it's different to other places. My goal was always to play well here on grass. I did that in 2006, playing in the final for the first time. That was a big surprise for me. To do it another time the next year made me think: 'I can really play well here.' When I won in 2008, it was one of the most emotional moments of my career, if not the most emotional.

"For me it was a dream to win here Ė more than a dream. Spanish players in the past saw Wimbledon as something that was impossible to win, a different sport. But I always had my dream of doing well on this surface. I love it. I loved this place Ė just being here and seeing everything Ė from the first time I came here to play juniors.''
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 01:19:57 AM
We get it, Nadal is best on clay. Ask any player, theyíll want to win Wimbledon. Itís the big slam

We get it, you are seduced by the cardigan doffing and strawberries and cream. It's the freakshows and ton plus aces that you admire in tennis.

Enjoy the giraffe fest over the next fortnight, the real tennis was last month, this is novelty safari tennis.

The facts simply don't lie.

Nadalís words, not mine


ďI love everything about it,'' Nadal said. "The grass gives something special to the tournament. When you walk around it's different to other places. My goal was always to play well here on grass. I did that in 2006, playing in the final for the first time. That was a big surprise for me. To do it another time the next year made me think: 'I can really play well here.' When I won in 2008, it was one of the most emotional moments of my career, if not the most emotional.

"For me it was a dream to win here Ė more than a dream. Spanish players in the past saw Wimbledon as something that was impossible to win, a different sport. But I always had my dream of doing well on this surface. I love it. I loved this place Ė just being here and seeing everything Ė from the first time I came here to play juniors.''

And?

A player talks up a tournament in the buildup to it? He doesn't compare it to any other tournament or say it's the best.

When it comes down to it, a booming serve alone will bring you a long, long way on grass court tennis. On clay? Well, if you can serve good, that is fine, but what else have you behind that? There's a reason why guys like Anderson (6ft8), Isner (6ft10), Opelka (7ft), Raonic (6ft5), Kyrgios (6ft4) and Berdych (6ft5) all sat out RG to be ready for Wimbledon - their game revolves around their serve. It's set play tennis, it's like a guy on a GAA team who is solely there for frees. Clay court tennis demands for you to be able to work points when your serve doesn't win them automatically. Grass court is just set play tennis, bludgeon shots for easy points.

Wimbledon has always had this unfounded sense of superiority, it's classic Anglo culture, the cardigans, the all white wear, the gentelmens championship.......... grass court tennis is a far more one dimensional and less skillful version of tennis than clay but it has an unfounded prestige in the anglo world and they are very protective about it.

Saying grass court tennis is better clay is like saying rugby union is better than association football. It's like saying Gary Cahill is better than Roberto Baggio.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2019, 08:16:22 AM
How many of those guys have actually won Wimbledon?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 08:41:06 AM
How many of those guys have actually won Wimbledon?

What does that matter?

The same guys have dominated all surfaces over the past decade. Only the US Open has thrown up winners outside of Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Wawrinka where Del Potro and Cilic captured one. Apart from that the only guys who have won the French since 05 have been Nadal, Federer, Wawrinka and Djokovic. The only guys that have won Wimbledon since 2003 have been Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. The only guys who have won Australia since 2006 have been Federer, Djokovic, Nadal and Wawrinka.

What you will see is that the guys who go well on hard courts nearly always go well on grass. Wawrinka is really the only notable exception there in that he has two hard court slams at the US and Australian but never made it past the QF at Wimbledon. Clay is the surface that plays different, it's not a case of bludgeoning the ball past, it requires strategy, intuition, improvisation and craft to win those points. On grass court, you're just looking at bludgeoning the ball as hard as you can because when it hits that ground it just skids away, particularly in the first week before the court firms up - this is why big servers will always go far in Wimbledon but not on clay.

I think one of the hard court slams should certainly be switching to clay again. The US Open used be clay for a few years in the 70s and it would be a welcome return to have it back. If you look at the rankings now, the top 20/30 players are dominated by big gangly lads who are 6ft5 plus and don't really have that much of a game behind their serve and that is because the hard/grass court calendar predicates this.

The prototype of player that goes well at Wimbledon is very obvious, he's usually a big guy which goes hand in hand with having a monster serve. You'll see it all in the next fortnight where we have big one dimensional servers populating the last 16 and one of them will probably make a dash to the final.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Raonic or Cilic in another Wimbledon final this year.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 29, 2019, 12:47:35 PM
So the best players technically, fitter and tactically win the big tournaments. Which has been Federer (the most) followed by the other two. Your point is Nadal is best on clay, one surface and crap on the other two surfaces (in comparison to Fed and Novak)

If you have a preference for clay court players then fine, Itís not as prestigious and wanted as Wimbledon, forget about the stuffiness and whatever annoys you.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on June 29, 2019, 05:06:48 PM
Nadal has dominated on one surface. Take that away and his slams total at the other 3 is nothing special. There is a stronger argument for Djokovic as the best ever than there is for Nadal. Hewitt was brilliant for a few years and essentially prototyped Nadals style of plabut his body simply couldn't hack that style of play which has also happened with Nadal, but not to the same extent.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 29, 2019, 11:01:16 PM
Nadal has won 6 grand slams outside Roland Garros. 6.

"Nothing special" he says, clearly not having a f**king clue.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 11:12:02 PM
Nadal has dominated on one surface. Take that away and his slams total at the other 3 is nothing special. There is a stronger argument for Djokovic as the best ever than there is for Nadal. Hewitt was brilliant for a few years and essentially prototyped Nadals style of plabut his body simply couldn't hack that style of play which has also happened with Nadal, but not to the same extent.

Hewitt was "brilliant" when the opposition was shit, he was effectively a busted flush at 25 when Djokovic, Nadal, Murray et all entered the fray. This was the era where Federer was stockpiling his slams up on.

There are two hard slams a year and one grass slam a year. Both courts play similar, they favour monster servers and not those with a complete game. I'm glad you agree that the tennis season discriminates against complete players with an all round game and vastly favours the big serving machines. Imagine if 75% of the tennis season was tilted toward Nadal's favourite surface? Take away Djokovic's 10 hard slams and his record is nothing special, take away Federer's 11 hard slams and his record is nothing special.

Nadal has played his entire career with brittle knees, he's still going, still winning slams, the injuries have ensured he's left a few behind as well. Nadal is the only player in the modern era (along with Wilander) with multiple slams on every surface, surely that makes his record more special than anyone else?

The debate of the greatest is between Djokovic and Nadal. Federer couldn't live with them when they came along.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 29, 2019, 11:20:56 PM
So the best players technically, fitter and tactically win the big tournaments. Which has been Federer (the most) followed by the other two. Your point is Nadal is best on clay, one surface and crap on the other two surfaces (in comparison to Fed and Novak)

If you have a preference for clay court players then fine, Itís not as prestigious and wanted as Wimbledon, forget about the stuffiness and whatever annoys you.

My point is distinctly that clay court requires the most rounded game, the most ability and strategy to win a point. It's not just putting in monster first serves. Nadal being the greatest clay court ever goes without saying, imagine if the tennis season was titled in his favour and it made up 75% of the season?

You may have an affection for cardigans and strawberries and cream but that's an anglocentric viewpoint, it doesn't necessarily extend to people outside of anglocentric countries. If you watch tennis of both surfaces, you will see grass and hard court tennis are all based on the founding block of monster serving, clay court is about creating the chance to win points.

Federer is 5 years older than Nadal, 6 than Djokovic. He was lucky enough that he picked up 12 slams in a time where the main competition were the likes of Hewitt and Roddick who had completely fallen off the radar in their mid 20s when a golden generation emerged on the scene.


Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mrdeeds on June 30, 2019, 12:03:04 AM
Has Nadal not won the most ATP titles ever and f all of them have been on clay. He's won all four slams. People are arseholes.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:10:46 AM
Has Nadal not won the most ATP titles ever and f all of them have been on clay. He's won all four slams. People are arseholes.

Nadal has 34 Master 1000s, Djokovic 33, Federer 28.

He's also won 4 Davis Cups and along with Agassi is the only player to ever complete the Olympic slam.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 12:39:35 AM
Has Nadal not won the most ATP titles ever and f all of them have been on clay. He's won all four slams. People are arseholes.

ATP titles now? Ffs lads we are talking about the main titles, Federer at the minute is the best player currently due to winning the most Slams. When Nadal gets past his count heíll be unquestionably the best. When that happens heíll be viewed (if the rumours go away that is) heís the best tennis player to grace the courts (clay courts). But being a one trick slam/surface winner wonít mean heís the best.

 For me and itís all personal choice I think Novak is the best
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mrdeeds on June 30, 2019, 12:41:44 AM
Has Nadal not won the most ATP titles ever and f all of them have been on clay. He's won all four slams. People are arseholes.

ATP titles now? Ffs lads we are talking about the main titles, Federer at the minute is the best player currently due to winning the most Slams. When Nadal gets past his count heíll be unquestionably the best. When that happens heíll be viewed (if the rumours go away that is) heís the best tennis player to grace the courts (clay courts). But being a one trick slam/surface winner wonít mean heís the best.

 For me and itís all personal choice I think Novak is the best

But Nadal has the 2nd most slams. Like F me. You're dismissing that. People are arseholes. And as for rumours we could say same about Federer and Novak.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 12:48:36 AM
Has Nadal not won the most ATP titles ever and f all of them have been on clay. He's won all four slams. People are arseholes.

ATP titles now? Ffs lads we are talking about the main titles, Federer at the minute is the best player currently due to winning the most Slams. When Nadal gets past his count heíll be unquestionably the best. When that happens heíll be viewed (if the rumours go away that is) heís the best tennis player to grace the courts (clay courts). But being a one trick slam/surface winner wonít mean heís the best.

 For me and itís all personal choice I think Novak is the best

So you're judging it on a quantitative basis rather than a qualitative one? The facts say that Federer won 12 slams when guys like Hewitt, Roddick and Safin were the main competition.

What rumours? The ramblings of rattled Fedheads on the internet?

One trick slam/surface winner? Nadal is the only one currently active that has won multiple slams on ALL surfaces. It's the most bizarre of accusations you can throw at him.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 01:16:17 AM
Heís won one Australian open. Fed has won one French, they are multiple winners of the rest, Nadal has won 12 french titles on clay, his inability to win on other surfaces is noted, as is Feds problems on clay, though credit to the amount of finals heís played there.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 30, 2019, 08:11:00 AM
Fed does not have a "noted problem" on clay. Nor does Djokovic for that matter. They're both French Open and multiple Masters Series winners in clay. It's simply that Nadal is the best player on it in history by a country mile.

Nadal has won 6 slams away from RG. Six slams is all time great, hall of fame territory ffs.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 08:46:35 AM
Heís won one Australian open. Fed has won one French, they are multiple winners of the rest, Nadal has won 12 french titles on clay, his inability to win on other surfaces is noted, as is Feds problems on clay, though credit to the amount of finals heís played there.

Nadal has 4 hard court slams.

Federer's slams dried up significantly since Nadal and Djokovic came on the scene.

Credit to the amount of finals he's played on clay? He's played 6 finals at RG, Nadal has played 5 at Wimbledon, 5 at Australia, 4 in the US.

You keep ignoring the facts that the majority of the body of work that Federer amassed was prior to Nadal and Djokovic's emergence.

Federer did 5 in a row at both Wimbledon and the US Open, he hasn't won the US Open since 2008, he's won 3 of the last 11 Wimbledon titles. And the reason for the colossal fall off has been Nadal and Djokovic, in their peaks Federer had no answer. He has an inferior head to head record at slam events against both of these players.

As well as ignoring the fact that Federer won the vast majority of his slams in a very weak era (see Hewitt, Roddick, Safin etc being the pick of the rest), you also ignore that 75% of the tennis slams are grass/hard courts, they play very similar - it's all based behind a big serve. This is really where Nadal falls down on grass courts and hard courts. He doesn't have the monster serve that will buy you free points on grass.

Despite the fact that clay only makes up 25% of the tennis slams, Nadal is getting very close to equaling the all time record for slams. That's just amazing.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 10:38:12 AM
Fed does not have a "noted problem" on clay. Nor does Djokovic for that matter. They're both French Open and multiple Masters Series winners in clay. It's simply that Nadal is the best player on it in history by a country mile.

Nadal has won 6 slams away from RG. Six slams is all time great, hall of fame territory ffs.

Iím not knocking him, I love his grit and determination and never give up attitude when he plays. All Iím saying is heís a clay court specialist. I donít think Federer or Novak are any less a tennis player cause of the majority of their slams have been on hard and grass courts, whereas Angelo believes RG is the be and end all of tennis!

His inability to win more on the other surfaces has nothing to do with people who are 6 foot 5! Heís no midget himself, possibly the same size as Fed and Novak and they have no problems. As for beating supposed weaker players, thatís just rubbish! You beat who's putt in front of you, none of them are easy.

While Fed has 20 heíll be recognised as being better all round. Having a favourite player is fine to, mine is Novak, I think heís better than the other two
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 30, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
The point is he doesn't have an inability to win on other surfaces ffs! He has won 6 grand slams off the clay!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
The point is he doesn't have an inability to win on other surfaces ffs! He has won 6 grand slams off the clay!

Look, keep your knickers on. The point was that someone thinks heís the best player, I pointed out heís not,  as he hasnít the most titles, then the point on clay making you a better player, as itís a more difficult surface to win on for the big servers, so if heís a better player (technically) he should have won more than his current 6 slams away from clay. Iím not knocking him, in fact I prefer him over Fed. Itís just simple maths though, 20 beats 18.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on June 30, 2019, 12:01:19 PM
Not sure why MR2 is getting the abuse? he's not the agressor who's failing to take on board anything other than his own opinion.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 03:45:18 PM
Not sure why MR2 is getting the abuse? he's not the agressor who's failing to take on board anything other than his own opinion.

He's arguing against facts and logic.

There's no aggressor here, just facts and logic.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 03:50:47 PM
Not sure why MR2 is getting the abuse? he's not the agressor who's failing to take on board anything other than his own opinion.

He's arguing against facts and logic.

There's no aggressor here, just facts and logic.

Facts are simple... 20 for Fed 18 for Nadal
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 03:51:31 PM
Fed does not have a "noted problem" on clay. Nor does Djokovic for that matter. They're both French Open and multiple Masters Series winners in clay. It's simply that Nadal is the best player on it in history by a country mile.

Nadal has won 6 slams away from RG. Six slams is all time great, hall of fame territory ffs.

Iím not knocking him, I love his grit and determination and never give up attitude when he plays. All Iím saying is heís a clay court specialist. I donít think Federer or Novak are any less a tennis player cause of the majority of their slams have been on hard and grass courts, whereas Angelo believes RG is the be and end all of tennis!

His inability to win more on the other surfaces has nothing to do with people who are 6 foot 5! Heís no midget himself, possibly the same size as Fed and Novak and they have no problems. As for beating supposed weaker players, thatís just rubbish! You beat who's putt in front of you, none of them are easy.

While Fed has 20 heíll be recognised as being better all round. Having a favourite player is fine to, mine is Novak, I think heís better than the other two

Sampras was no giant either but he was a monster server, probably the best server the game has seen, Federer is also one of the greatest servers the game has seen. The giraffes who excel on grass are monster servers, a monster serve alone will bring you a long, long way on grass. You call Nadal a clay court specialist, is Djokovic a hard court specialist? Is Federer a grass court specialist? Both grass and hard courts play similar so the only thing relevant that you seem to be saying is that the tennis calendar discriminates against those who excel on clay court.

There are blinding contradictions in the points you make.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 03:53:32 PM
Not sure why MR2 is getting the abuse? he's not the agressor who's failing to take on board anything other than his own opinion.

He's arguing against facts and logic.

There's no aggressor here, just facts and logic.

Facts are simple... 20 for Fed 18 for Nadal

12 of those in era of Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, past it Sampras and Agassi and teenage Nadal and Djokovic.

It's like saying Anthony Joshua was a better heavyweight than Ali.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on June 30, 2019, 03:54:23 PM
What facts and logic? No facts will ever define the greatest, that's subjective..

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
Fed does not have a "noted problem" on clay. Nor does Djokovic for that matter. They're both French Open and multiple Masters Series winners in clay. It's simply that Nadal is the best player on it in history by a country mile.

Nadal has won 6 slams away from RG. Six slams is all time great, hall of fame territory ffs.

Iím not knocking him, I love his grit and determination and never give up attitude when he plays. All Iím saying is heís a clay court specialist. I donít think Federer or Novak are any less a tennis player cause of the majority of their slams have been on hard and grass courts, whereas Angelo believes RG is the be and end all of tennis!

His inability to win more on the other surfaces has nothing to do with people who are 6 foot 5! Heís no midget himself, possibly the same size as Fed and Novak and they have no problems. As for beating supposed weaker players, thatís just rubbish! You beat who's putt in front of you, none of them are easy.

While Fed has 20 heíll be recognised as being better all round. Having a favourite player is fine to, mine is Novak, I think heís better than the other two

Sampras was no giant either but he was a monster server, probably the best server the game has seen, Federer is also one of the greatest servers the game has seen. The giraffes who excel on grass are monster servers, a monster serve alone will bring you a long, long way on grass. You call Nadal a clay court specialist, is Djokovic a hard court specialist? Is Federer a grass court specialist? Both grass and hard courts play similar so the only thing relevant that you seem to be saying is that the tennis calendar discriminates against those who excel on clay court.

There are blinding contradictions in the points you make.

Jeeze Iím bored ! Enjoy the biggest tournament in the tennis calendar tomorrow
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 04:38:19 PM
Fed does not have a "noted problem" on clay. Nor does Djokovic for that matter. They're both French Open and multiple Masters Series winners in clay. It's simply that Nadal is the best player on it in history by a country mile.

Nadal has won 6 slams away from RG. Six slams is all time great, hall of fame territory ffs.

Iím not knocking him, I love his grit and determination and never give up attitude when he plays. All Iím saying is heís a clay court specialist. I donít think Federer or Novak are any less a tennis player cause of the majority of their slams have been on hard and grass courts, whereas Angelo believes RG is the be and end all of tennis!

His inability to win more on the other surfaces has nothing to do with people who are 6 foot 5! Heís no midget himself, possibly the same size as Fed and Novak and they have no problems. As for beating supposed weaker players, thatís just rubbish! You beat who's putt in front of you, none of them are easy.

While Fed has 20 heíll be recognised as being better all round. Having a favourite player is fine to, mine is Novak, I think heís better than the other two

Sampras was no giant either but he was a monster server, probably the best server the game has seen, Federer is also one of the greatest servers the game has seen. The giraffes who excel on grass are monster servers, a monster serve alone will bring you a long, long way on grass. You call Nadal a clay court specialist, is Djokovic a hard court specialist? Is Federer a grass court specialist? Both grass and hard courts play similar so the only thing relevant that you seem to be saying is that the tennis calendar discriminates against those who excel on clay court.

There are blinding contradictions in the points you make.

Jeeze Iím bored ! Enjoy the biggest tournament in the tennis calendar tomorrow

The biggest tournament for anglocentrics maybe but not for me.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 04:39:34 PM
What facts and logic? No facts will ever define the greatest, that's subjective..

Logic certainly defines the greatest, calling a guy who was 3rd best in his era the greatest defies logic and Federer has been a distant third since the emergence of Nadal and Djokovic.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on June 30, 2019, 04:53:15 PM
I'd say you will get it hard to find many polls of either fans, media, former players, current players or any other groupings that would rate Nadal as GOAT

But you are definitely entitled to think he is... As are others to disagree, fact!

Is Wimbledon really starting tomorrow? Can't raise any enthusiasm for tennis and I'll watch any sport. 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 04:56:32 PM
I'd say you will get it hard to find many polls of either fans, media, former players, current players or any other groupings that would rate Nadal as GOAT

But you are definitely entitled to think he is... As are others to disagree, fact!

Is Wimbledon really starting tomorrow? Can't raise any enthusiasm for tennis and I'll watch any sport.

Itís like saying Batman would beat Superman  :o
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 05:26:35 PM
I'd say you will get it hard to find many polls of either fans, media, former players, current players or any other groupings that would rate Nadal as GOAT

But you are definitely entitled to think he is... As are others to disagree, fact!

Is Wimbledon really starting tomorrow? Can't raise any enthusiasm for tennis and I'll watch any sport.

Itís like saying Batman would beat Superman  :o

Both Nadal and Djokovic have beaten Federer consistently.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 05:32:50 PM
But heís still won more
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 05:42:31 PM
But heís still won more

He's 5 years older that Nadal, 6 than Djokovic.

He won 12 of his slams when the competition was over the hill Sampras and Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and teenage Nadal and teenage Djokovic. When Djokovic and Nadal entered their primes he was knocked back into a distant third.

It's like saying Larry Holmes was a better heavyweight than Ali.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on June 30, 2019, 05:55:44 PM
But heís still won more

He's 5 years older that Nadal, 6 than Djokovic.

He won 12 of his slams when the competition was over the hill Sampras and Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and teenage Nadal and teenage Djokovic. When Djokovic and Nadal entered their primes he was knocked back into a distant third.

It's like saying Larry Holmes was a better heavyweight than Ali.

Heís won 20, thatís a fact. The stats on that donít lie.

To still be competitive against lads 6 years younger than you, is some going. Naturally a player will fade as they get older. Itís not his fault who he beat in all those 20 finals.

Hopefully the records shows that his were clean wins
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on June 30, 2019, 05:57:54 PM
But heís still won more

He's 5 years older than Nadal, 6 than Djokovic.

He won 12 of his slams when the competition was over the hill Sampras and Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and teenage Nadal and teenage Djokovic. When Djokovic and Nadal entered their primes he was knocked back into a distant third.

It's like saying Larry Holmes was a better heavyweight than Ali.

Heís won 20, thatís a fact. The stats on that donít lie.

To still be competitive against lads 6 years younger than you, is some going. Naturally a player will fade as they get older. Itís not his fault who he beat in all those 20 finals.

Hopefully the records shows that his were clean wins

He's 5 years older that Nadal, 6 than Djokovic.

He won 12 of his slams when the competition was over the hill Sampras and Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin and teenage Nadal and teenage Djokovic. When Djokovic and Nadal entered their primes he was knocked back into a distant third.

You keep on ignoring the above and then try to put forward unfounded slurs.

Out of all of Nadal, Federer and Djokovic being clean, I'd say Nadal is the most likely to be clean.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on June 30, 2019, 07:06:11 PM
I'd say you will get it hard to find many polls of either fans, media, former players, current players or any other groupings that would rate Nadal as GOAT

You'd be wrong.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on June 30, 2019, 07:22:32 PM
I'd say you will get it hard to find many polls of either fans, media, former players, current players or any other groupings that would rate Nadal as GOAT

You'd be wrong.

Don't think so.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 01, 2019, 12:01:43 AM
Watch a show on McEnroe there. Still playing senior tour at 60! Some players back then, Borg Connors Lendl to name a few. 
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 01, 2019, 06:59:20 PM
Djokovic will walk it to the final. Tsitsipas the only one I could have seen cause him problems and he is gone now.

The ever flaky Zverev also gone.

Federer has a very handy draw to the quarters too and his opponents in the quarters should be fairly routine (likely Nishikori or Isner).

Nadal in contrast has it tough, likely Kyrgios in R2, Shapovalov in R3, Cilic in R4 and Thiem in the QF. If he is to have any chance of success this year, he needs a few of them to fall or it will be tough for him while the other two are coasting through.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Nanderson on July 01, 2019, 07:25:59 PM
Some story in the womens, Cori Gauff at 15 beating Venus Williams. Although Venus is no where near her prime, this is a big result. She looks to have a good all round game and is probably gonna end up with a similar career to the williams sisters
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 03, 2019, 06:48:29 PM
The giraffes are going very well on their favourite surface.

7 footer Reilly Opelka put 3 time slam champion Stan Wawrinka out today.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on July 03, 2019, 08:04:40 PM
The giraffes are going very well on their favourite surface.

7 footer Reilly Opelka put 3 time slam champion Stan Wawrinka out today.

May as well ban serving then.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 03, 2019, 09:42:13 PM
The giraffes are going very well on their favourite surface.

7 footer Reilly Opelka put 3 time slam champion Stan Wawrinka out today.

Out of interest who do you is the best female player ever?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2019, 09:44:23 PM
The giraffes are going very well on their favourite surface.

7 footer Reilly Opelka put 3 time slam champion Stan Wawrinka out today.

Out of interest who do you is the best female player ever?

Obviously someone who has won RG 10 times
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 03, 2019, 10:02:25 PM
It's clearly (six-time French Open champion) Steffi Graf.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 03, 2019, 10:16:17 PM
The giraffes are going very well on their favourite surface.

7 footer Reilly Opelka put 3 time slam champion Stan Wawrinka out today.

Out of interest who do you is the best female player ever?

I wouldn't really follow the women's tennis so I couldn't really tell you.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 03, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
The giraffes are going very well on their favourite surface.

7 footer Reilly Opelka put 3 time slam champion Stan Wawrinka out today.

May as well ban serving then.

I'd get rid of second serves, more of a focus then on getting the ball in play rather than trying to bludgeon aces and would also help speed the game up.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 03, 2019, 10:33:52 PM
It's clearly (six-time French Open champion) Steffi Graf.

My favourite player. Phenomenal
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 03, 2019, 10:45:48 PM
That forehand.

Near as good as me own
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gawa316 on July 03, 2019, 11:36:41 PM
It's clearly (six-time French Open champion) Steffi Graf.

My favourite player. Phenomenal

Incredible player and unbelievable career, especially for someone with a sliced backhand
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on July 04, 2019, 07:37:46 AM
It's clearly (six-time French Open champion) Steffi Graf.

My favourite player. Phenomenal

Incredible player and unbelievable career, especially for someone with a sliced backhand

The excitement from commentators on the rare occasions she pulled out a topspin backhand was hilarious. Like a mother watching baby taking its first step!  ;D

Loved watching her as well, fantastic athlete. Am I right in that she is the only player to have pulled off the Golden Slam? (4 majors & Olympic Title in one year?)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 04, 2019, 09:15:39 AM
Yes. She's also the only person to have won the grand slam on three different surfaces and to have won each of the slams four times. She was incredible. Seles was on the road to potentially being better than her until the stabbing.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on July 04, 2019, 12:07:17 PM
Yes. She's also the only person to have won the grand slam on three different surfaces and to have won each of the slams four times. She was incredible. Seles was on the road to potentially being better than her until the stabbing.
Surely to win the grand slam you have to do it on all 3 surfaces by default? Anyway, others have done it too.

Discussion has to be between Graf, S Williams and Court imo.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 04, 2019, 12:08:22 PM
Wharrabout the big lesbanian
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: johnnycool on July 04, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
Wharrabout the big lesbanian

Arlene plays tennis?  :o
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 04, 2019, 12:38:02 PM
Wrestlin be her sport comrade
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on July 04, 2019, 03:44:06 PM
Yes. She's also the only person to have won the grand slam on three different surfaces and to have won each of the slams four times. She was incredible. Seles was on the road to potentially being better than her until the stabbing.
Surely to win the grand slam you have to do it on all 3 surfaces by default? Anyway, others have done it too.

Discussion has to be between Graf, S Williams and Court imo.

Graff won what they labelled a golden slam, which is winning everything in the one year plus the Olympics.  Others have won a career golden slam which is doing it all but not in the same year.  Winning each slam at least once is the career grand slam. 

The crazy thing with regards to Graff was that she was only 30 when she packed it in, which wasn't seen as young at the time but puts her 22 majors into perspective given that the like of Serena has been playing 7/8 years longer.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TabClear on July 04, 2019, 03:55:24 PM
Yes. She's also the only person to have won the grand slam on three different surfaces and to have won each of the slams four times. She was incredible. Seles was on the road to potentially being better than her until the stabbing.
Surely to win the grand slam you have to do it on all 3 surfaces by default? Anyway, others have done it too.

Discussion has to be between Graf, S Williams and Court imo.



Graff won what they labelled a golden slam, which is winning everything in the one year plus the Olympics.  Others have won a career golden slam which is doing it all but not in the same year.  Winning each slam at least once is the career grand slam. 

The crazy thing with regards to Graff was that she was only 30 when she packed it in, which wasn't seen as young at the time but puts her 22 majors into perspective given that the like of Serena has been playing 7/8 years longer.

And there is the equivalent of the "Tiger Slam"-holding all four slams at the same time but not in the same year.

Was just looking at the records and Graf reached 13 consecutive Grand Slam finals in a row at one point which is unreal. Federer actually did 10 in an row and 8 in a row in two separate runs between 2005 and 2010.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on July 04, 2019, 04:30:38 PM
Yes. She's also the only person to have won the grand slam on three different surfaces and to have won each of the slams four times. She was incredible. Seles was on the road to potentially being better than her until the stabbing.
Surely to win the grand slam you have to do it on all 3 surfaces by default? Anyway, others have done it too.

Discussion has to be between Graf, S Williams and Court imo.

Graff won what they labelled a golden slam, which is winning everything in the one year plus the Olympics.  Others have won a career golden slam which is doing it all but not in the same year.  Winning each slam at least once is the career grand slam.

The crazy thing with regards to Graff was that she was only 30 when she packed it in, which wasn't seen as young at the time but puts her 22 majors into perspective given that the like of Serena has been playing 7/8 years longer.
Yeah I know that, just not what was said. Connolly, Court and Graff are the only 3 to win all 4 majors in 1 year which is possibly what was meant.

Aye Graff packed it in early relative to Serena, as I say it's hard to say but both up there along with Court who's won the most majors as of now.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 04, 2019, 04:56:16 PM
Any odds on Kyrgios kicking off here as he's getting a right oul battering and it's only 3 games in!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 04, 2019, 05:15:58 PM
Underhand ace. Zero fcuks given  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 04, 2019, 05:22:52 PM
Yes. She's also the only person to have won the grand slam on three different surfaces and to have won each of the slams four times. She was incredible. Seles was on the road to potentially being better than her until the stabbing.
Surely to win the grand slam you have to do it on all 3 surfaces by default? Anyway, others have done it too.

Discussion has to be between Graf, S Williams and Court imo.

The US Open was played on grass, then clay and then finally moved to hardcourt in 1978.

The Australian open was similarly played on grass until the late 80s before moving to hardcourt.

So I repeat, correctly, that Graf's Grand Slam is the only one that was won on three different surfaces.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 04, 2019, 05:59:38 PM
I donít watch much tennis but have been watching Wimbledon for a change. Gees this kyrgios guy is a knob. Never seen as bad in tennis. Those underhand serves.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Rich Ricci on July 04, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
I donít watch much tennis but have been watching Wimbledon for a change. Gees this kyrgios guy is a knob. Never seen as bad in tennis. Those underhand serves.

+1

Heís clearly very talented but by Jesus he is a grade A p***k.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: HiMucker on July 04, 2019, 08:25:31 PM
I don't think there is anything wrong with the underarm serve.
No doubt he is a bit of knob though, but as much as I like Rafa he can slow it up something fierce, and gets away with it when lesser known players would be punished.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 04, 2019, 08:48:21 PM
Huge win for Nadal.

Kyrgios is a monster server and he was up for it today and his first serve % was in the 70s so it was a big win Rafa had to grind out.

At the start he had a horrendous draw to make it through but with Cilic and Thiem now gone it makes it much easier. Tsonga will be tough on Saturday but should he come through that then I think we should see him in a semi at least.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 04, 2019, 09:15:09 PM
Yer big man was in the pub last night

I shouldve tried the oul tennis...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: johnnycool on July 05, 2019, 09:02:40 AM
I donít watch much tennis but have been watching Wimbledon for a change. Gees this kyrgios guy is a knob. Never seen as bad in tennis. Those underhand serves.

Bloody brilliant IMO.

Kyrgios is just one of those lads, bundles of talent but a bit wild.

Takes all sorts as too many Henmans and Federers would bore the pish out of you.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2019, 09:04:01 AM
World number 2 beats world number 43! And itís a huge win.

What was with Nadals time wasting? Was it just to wind him up?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: JPGJOHNNYG on July 05, 2019, 09:09:55 AM
Kyrgios is a bell end. Find it bizarre that people think he is great and funny. Cant understand why Tennis puts up with these guys and doesnt just boot them off the tour. If people think his antics are entertaining then why dont they just watch WWE or something.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 05, 2019, 09:25:37 AM
World number 2 beats world number 43! And itís a huge win.

What was with Nadals time wasting? Was it just to wind him up?

Kyrgios is a monster server, one of the best in the game. When a guy like him brings a 1st serve % in the 70s on grass and particularly in the early rounds, he will be very, very difficult to beat. It was a great result for Rafa. It should be his toughest test until the semi final at least.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on July 05, 2019, 09:27:13 AM
Yes. She's also the only person to have won the grand slam on three different surfaces and to have won each of the slams four times. She was incredible. Seles was on the road to potentially being better than her until the stabbing.
Surely to win the grand slam you have to do it on all 3 surfaces by default? Anyway, others have done it too.

Discussion has to be between Graf, S Williams and Court imo.

The US Open was played on grass, then clay and then finally moved to hardcourt in 1978.

The Australian open was similarly played on grass until the late 80s before moving to hardcourt.

So I repeat, correctly, that Graf's Grand Slam is the only one that was won on three different surfaces.
Apologies, you are correct.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on July 05, 2019, 09:30:02 AM
Can't warm to Nadal at all. Federer number 1 for me although I can see arguments for Djokovic and Nadal. Andy Murray would have been an all time great if born in any other era.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: HiMucker on July 05, 2019, 09:54:59 AM
Kyrgios is a bell end. Find it bizarre that people think he is great and funny. Cant understand why Tennis puts up with these guys and doesnt just boot them off the tour. If people think his antics are entertaining then why dont they just watch WWE or something.
I don't think hes great and funny but his antics are seriously blown out of proportion. Its because he goes against the grain of the image of tennis being an elite toff sport that the ruling bodies want to maintain. His behavior wouldnt garner much attention in most other sports. As Johnnycool says takes all sorts.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Keyser soze on July 05, 2019, 09:55:41 AM
I donít watch much tennis but have been watching Wimbledon for a change. Gees this kyrgios guy is a knob. Never seen as bad in tennis. Those underhand serves.

Bloody brilliant IMO.

Kyrgios is just one of those lads, bundles of talent but a bit wild.

Takes all sorts as too many Henmans and Federers would bore the pish out of you.

Henman and Federer in the same sentence  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 05, 2019, 12:03:56 PM
I'm a Nadal fan, but finding Federer's tennis boring?! Really?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: johnnycool on July 05, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
I'm a Nadal fan, but finding Federer's tennis boring?! Really?

It's more so his personality and blandness
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on July 05, 2019, 02:19:15 PM
I'm a Nadal fan, but finding Federer's tennis boring?! Really?

It's more so his personality and blandness

Nadal is hardly the life of the party.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 05, 2019, 02:53:01 PM
I'm a Nadal fan, but finding Federer's tennis boring?! Really?

It's more so his personality and blandness

Nadal is hardly the life of the party.

Never seen Nadal in a cardigan for a pre match outfit.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 05, 2019, 04:58:48 PM
I'm a Nadal fan, but finding Federer's tennis boring?! Really?

It's more so his personality and blandness

Nadal is hardly the life of the party.

Never seen Nadal in a cardigan for a pre match outfit.

And of course thatís the bit that doesnít make you boring!

Novak has some aces here
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: RedHand88 on July 06, 2019, 09:34:52 AM
I'm a Nadal fan, but finding Federer's tennis boring?! Really?

It's more so his personality and blandness

Nadal is hardly the life of the party.

Never seen Nadal in a cardigan for a pre match outfit.

Only in tennis does a cardigan make you an interesting person!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 06, 2019, 09:36:49 AM
Val Doonican missed a trick..
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 08:21:02 PM
Another fairly pathetic showing from the new gen at this year's Wimbledon.

9 of the last 16 are in their 30s, just 2 of the remaining field are below the age of 27.

Federer 37
Verdasco 35
Nadal 33
Djokovic 32
Bautista Agut 31
Kukushkin 31
Querrey 31
Paire 30
Sousa 30
Nishikori 29
Pella 29
Raonic 28
Goffin 28
Sandgren 27
Berrettini 23
Humbert 21


Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 07, 2019, 09:23:13 PM
Another fairly pathetic showing from the new gen at this year's Wimbledon.

9 of the last 16 are in their 30s, just 2 of the remaining field are below the age of 27.

Federer 37
Verdasco 35
Nadal 33
Djokovic 32
Bautista Agut 31
Kukushkin 31
Querrey 31
Paire 30
Sousa 30
Nishikori 29
Pella 29
Raonic 28
Goffin 28
Sandgren 27
Berrettini 23
Humbert 21

ĎHeightistí Ďsurfacistí and now ageist!! You truly are lost on how it works, the best players win. Fed Novak and Nadal are the best players, have won on all surfaces (gland-slams) tall players donít make better players, it may help in the serve on harder surfaces but after they serve they have return them !!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on July 07, 2019, 10:00:13 PM
Jaysus I've only heard of 4 of them, back in the day ya would know most of them..
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 07, 2019, 11:06:21 PM
The wemen are worse again boycey.. twasnt for the williamses youd be snookered hi
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 07, 2019, 11:14:45 PM
Another fairly pathetic showing from the new gen at this year's Wimbledon.

9 of the last 16 are in their 30s, just 2 of the remaining field are below the age of 27.

Federer 37
Verdasco 35
Nadal 33
Djokovic 32
Bautista Agut 31
Kukushkin 31
Querrey 31
Paire 30
Sousa 30
Nishikori 29
Pella 29
Raonic 28
Goffin 28
Sandgren 27
Berrettini 23
Humbert 21

ĎHeightistí Ďsurfacistí and now ageist!! You truly are lost on how it works, the best players win. Fed Novak and Nadal are the best players, have won on all surfaces (gland-slams) tall players donít make better players, it may help in the serve on harder surfaces but after they serve they have return them !!

You're very tetchy.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 10, 2019, 07:02:40 PM
The Big 3 have waltzed to the semifinal absolutely untouched. Batista Agut might give Djokovic a decent game this year and the Nadal-Federer match should be close. Nadal probably playing marginally better then the other two.

After the '08 final I'm not sure many people would have reckoned it would take 11 years to get the rematch.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 10, 2019, 07:31:29 PM
The Belgian completely capitulated against Djokovic. He looked fantastic and then just fell apart(or Djokovic just sussed him out)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2019, 09:12:39 PM
So this stupid competition of only giraffes who hit big serves has allowed average size tennis players into the last four? No way
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 10, 2019, 09:43:47 PM
So this stupid competition of only giraffes who hit big serves has allowed average size tennis players into the last four? No way

The giraffes go a lot better on Wimbledon than they do on any other surface. That's just proven in the stats. Guys like Karolovic (6ft11), Isner (6ft10), Opelka (7ft), Anderson (6ft8) all have had their best career performances at Wimbledon. Slam finalists like Philopoussis, winners like Kraijcek - everything comes off the serve. Guys like Raonic and Cilic have been finalists in recent years, Big Sam Querrey has been in the last 8 three times in 4 years and the last 4 once in that time.

Last year we had a semi final with over 100 aces in it between a 6ft10 and 6ft8 giraffe.

Generally the bigger and taller you are, the better you serve. But it's not always the case, Federer is one of the best servers the game has seen. Peter Sampras was not a giraffe but he was a pretty one dimensional player where everything came off his serve.

A big serve alone will bring you a long, long way on grass - you just have to look at the performances of the big servers on grass.


This year the giraffes didn't go as well, maybe some of them are past their best.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 10, 2019, 09:49:45 PM
Fancy Nadal to make it 11-3 in his head to head with Federer on Friday.

Even though it's Federer's favourite surface I think Nadal is playing with real confidence at the minute, he looks fit and healthy and I haven't seen him play as aggressive and boss games on grass like he has been doing this year for a long time.

Djokovic should come through his semi with relative ease and will still be the man to beat.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Kidder81 on July 10, 2019, 10:05:04 PM
Fancy Nadal to make it 11-3 in his head to head with Federer on Friday.

Even though it's Federer's favourite surface I think Nadal is playing with real confidence at the minute, he looks fit and healthy and I haven't seen him play as aggressive and boss games on grass like he has been doing this year for a long time.

Djokovic should come through his semi with relative ease and will still be the man to beat.

Yeah Nadals fitness is unbelievable  ::)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2019, 10:05:15 PM
Youíre actually full of crap, Sampras one dimensional! Youíll be tell me Borg was one dimensional also ffs!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 10, 2019, 10:58:03 PM
Fancy Nadal to make it 11-3 in his head to head with Federer on Friday.

Even though it's Federer's favourite surface I think Nadal is playing with real confidence at the minute, he looks fit and healthy and I haven't seen him play as aggressive and boss games on grass like he has been doing this year for a long time.

Djokovic should come through his semi with relative ease and will still be the man to beat.

Yeah Nadals fitness is unbelievable  ::)

Same for Djokovic and Federer. Absolutely unbelievable stuff.

Must be the gluten free diets.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 10, 2019, 11:28:42 PM
Fancy Nadal to make it 11-3 in his head to head with Federer on Friday.

Even though it's Federer's favourite surface I think Nadal is playing with real confidence at the minute, he looks fit and healthy and I haven't seen him play as aggressive and boss games on grass like he has been doing this year for a long time.

Djokovic should come through his semi with relative ease and will still be the man to beat.

Yeah Nadals fitness is unbelievable  ::)

His fitness?

Nadal is probably the least suspicious in that regard in terms of the top 3, injuries have cost him so many slams over the years and he has had to very carefully manage his schedule year to year. He's also had to completely alter his game in the past few years in order to compensate for the injuries he has had and his knee problems. Djokovic and Federer play pretty much the same game physically without much deterioration from their peak. Nadal's game is noticeably more different now which is probably why he struggles a little more with Djokovic than he would have in the past.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 10, 2019, 11:30:08 PM
He is the one who has most accusations levelled at him.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 10, 2019, 11:34:14 PM
He is the one who has most accusations levelled at him.

It's bizarre, there doesn't really seem to be any foundation to it at all. Of the big three, Nadal is probably the one you would have the least suspicions about given his injury troubles, having to readapt his game due to physical problems and the amount of time he has had to miss.

Is it because he has big muscles? I hate to break it to some people but Lance Armstrong's muscles didn't get bigger when he got dirty - they went the other way.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 10, 2019, 11:42:29 PM
I think he might have been one of the names leaked in that Russian hack for all the athletes with tues.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2019, 11:45:12 PM
Any other tennis players named on that? In fairness to Nadal heís won damaged against people who claimed he was using.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 10, 2019, 11:50:39 PM
I think he might have been one of the names leaked in that Russian hack for all the athletes with tues.

But there was nothing suspicious in that at all. Just that he was given TUE for anti inflammatories after two tournaments, Nadal's knee issues and tendonitis are extremely well known at this stage, we all know the issues hard courts in particular throw up for his knees. Everything above board and approved by anti-doping authorities.

It's certainly bizarre that there always seems to be murmurs about Nadal when there seems to be a much stronger basis for other players.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 10, 2019, 11:56:35 PM
The Fancy Bears named No Farah as a doper so it can't be true
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: nrico2006 on July 11, 2019, 10:37:09 AM
Who are the other players that you reckon there is a much stronger basis for?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on July 11, 2019, 10:55:19 AM
Was there not some craic about blood bags being destroyed or something in Spain a while back that Nadal and a heap of Spanish footballers were linked to?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: gallsman on July 11, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
Who are the other players that you reckon there is a much stronger basis for?

Djokovic for one. Until 2011 he had repeatedly shown a tendency to break down in tournaments and throw the head up and quit or retire injured. Then he became unstoppable the year he turned 24. Because he cut out gluten.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 11, 2019, 12:08:30 PM
Was there not some craic about blood bags being destroyed or something in Spain a while back that Nadal and a heap of Spanish footballers were linked to?

There were no links to Nadal other than the doctor was the same nationality as Nadal.

All the murmurs are simply innuendo based, there's not anything that would link him to it more than the other top players.

There would be more basis to speculate against Federer and Djokovic in this regard but again like Nadal there is no basis to support it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: oakleaflad on July 11, 2019, 12:15:13 PM
To be fair, I remember seeing a segment on Nadal on Trans World Sport when he was a teenager and he was clearly an outrageous talent.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: trailer on July 11, 2019, 12:28:44 PM
They're all juiced and anyone who thinks they aren't is being played for a fool. In fact there's no sport untouched. When the money involved is so large it pays (handsomely) to take the small risk of being caught.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 11, 2019, 12:39:43 PM
Thereís some french guy who has a real beef with Nadal over a six to seven month injury absence in 2012 and is adamant it was to prevent himself getting done. I think it has either ended in court or threats of it.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Tony Baloney on July 11, 2019, 12:45:44 PM
To be fair, I remember seeing a segment on Nadal on Trans World Sport when he was a teenager and he was clearly an outrageous talent.
The juice factor for these lads is obviously about stamina recovery from matches and injury, rather than skill level. The tennis tour is absolutely punishing at the top level so I'd say they take whatever "marginal gain" they can.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 11, 2019, 01:21:17 PM
Probably like sprinters really. The drugs wonít make them quicker but they will improve muscle repair etc enabling them to train or compete harder. I suspect the epo like drugs more beneficial to endurance rather than the short burst sports(though would have some value I guess).

All speculation mind. They may or may not be on anything. Like farah, I suspect, we will never really know.

Any which way those top 3 are absolute machines.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 11, 2019, 01:45:21 PM
Probably like sprinters really. The drugs wonít make them quicker but they will improve muscle repair etc enabling them to train or compete harder. I suspect the epo like drugs more beneficial to endurance rather than the short burst sports(though would have some value I guess).

All speculation mind. They may or may not be on anything. Like farah, I suspect, we will never really know.

Any which way those top 3 are absolute machines.

And Nadal is the one whose body has broken down and has had to miss many tournaments year on year with physical issues. If doping was the issue at hand I'd be more concerned in looking at the guys who are to play consistently injury free over years.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 11, 2019, 01:46:44 PM
Thereís some french guy who has a real beef with Nadal over a six to seven month injury absence in 2012 and is adamant it was to prevent himself getting done. I think it has either ended in court or threats of it.

It was a lady, former French Sports minister and she was forced to pay damages to Nadal after it went to court.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 12, 2019, 07:46:16 PM
Wow canít believe a 37 year old (38 next month) beat the best player in the world !
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: An Watcher on July 12, 2019, 07:48:19 PM
Some final set there
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 12, 2019, 07:49:20 PM
Great viewing. Fantastic watching a battle like that with two guys so good at what they do.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 12, 2019, 08:00:42 PM
Amazing tennis. The best three players meeting in the last stages showing that Wimbledon got it right.

Novak will fancy his chances but thereís life in the old dog yet.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: mouview on July 12, 2019, 10:49:41 PM
Fed. GOAT.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: under the bar on July 12, 2019, 11:36:59 PM
GOAT professional sportsperson probably. Still beating world no 1s at his game  when others would be long retired.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: macdanger2 on July 12, 2019, 11:39:45 PM
Is Federer on drugs? At 37, it's hard to take him at face value
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: JimStynes on July 13, 2019, 12:05:58 AM
Tennis is as bad a cycling for drugs ffs
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2019, 12:27:17 AM
Tennis is as bad a cycling for drugs ffs

So if they are all at it then thereís no one getting an upperhand?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: JimStynes on July 13, 2019, 12:34:03 AM
Tennis is as bad a cycling for drugs ffs

So if they are all at it then thereís no one getting an upperhand?

Donít think it works like that! Some react better with drugs, some have better pharmacist, some are clean and some get caught. Have a read at some of the stuff on operation peurto and Nadal.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Milltown Row2 on July 13, 2019, 12:48:47 AM
Tennis is as bad a cycling for drugs ffs

So if they are all at it then thereís no one getting an upperhand?

Donít think it works like that! Some react better with drugs, some have better pharmacist, some are clean and some get caught. Have a read at some of the stuff on operation peurto and Nadal.

But Nadal is clean
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 13, 2019, 06:24:20 AM
Is Federer on drugs? At 37, it's hard to take him at face value

 No. Is Dublin on drugs? How else can they win so many all-Irelandís?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: imtommygunn on July 13, 2019, 11:25:51 AM
Tennis is as bad a cycling for drugs ffs

So if they are all at it then thereís no one getting an upperhand?

Donít think it works like that! Some react better with drugs, some have better pharmacist, some are clean and some get caught. Have a read at some of the stuff on operation peurto and Nadal.

But Nadal is clean

So was Lance Armstrong  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 13, 2019, 10:58:19 PM
Is it fair that Halep had breast reduction?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: quit yo jibbajabba on July 13, 2019, 11:57:43 PM
Big Serenas on the Google as we speak...
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Orior on July 14, 2019, 08:15:59 AM
Big Serenas on the Google as we speak...

Lol
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Angelo on July 14, 2019, 08:26:27 AM
The Nadal-Federer semi-final took a while to get going but the last couple of sets were superb. Just felt Rafa was always having to chase it, losing the first few points on every game and always finding himself in trouble but he dug in and battled like nobody else can.

Federer certainly has another few years left at the top level.

He has never beaten both Djokovic and Nadal in the same slam so it would be some feat for him to do this year but hard to look past Djokovic. Once again the first set is crucial, Federer wins it and I fancy him to do it, Djokovic takes it and I really struggle to see how he can come back.

Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: under the bar on July 14, 2019, 07:00:04 PM
Some final this!
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on July 14, 2019, 07:02:00 PM
Some final this!
Nearly as good as the cricket, super over to win WC
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: TheOptimist on July 14, 2019, 07:04:06 PM
Some final this!
Nearly as good as the cricket, super over to win WC

See that. So what is a super over?
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on July 14, 2019, 07:05:22 PM
Some final this!
Nearly as good as the cricket, super over to win WC

See that. So what is a super over?
1 over each.

England seriously lucky. Last over Stokes stuck it up in air guy caught it then walked over the line. 6 runs England. Couple balls later England scramble for 2 and guy tried to stump him and it hits Stokes bat on way to wicked and that goes for 6.
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Boycey on July 14, 2019, 07:35:50 PM
Lol, the explanation of someone who doesn't really follow cricket id say. Incredible excitement but a harsh way to lose, just play another super over ffs
Title: Re: The Official Tennis Thread
Post by: Maiden1 on July 14, 2019, 07:40:12 PM
Lol, the explanation of someone who doesn't really follow cricket id say. Incredible excitement but a harsh way to lose, just play another super over ffs
Haha that's true. I might take it up.

Better explanation.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/cricket-world-cup/114235286/cricket-world-cup-2019-englands-ben-stokes-deflects-throw-for-six