Sacked Wexford boss John Meyler has told RTÉ Sport that it was the Wexford players who are responsible for his departure as manager.
Meyler and his management team led the side to this year's All-Ireland quarter-finals, where they were beaten by Waterford by a point.
It was widely expected that he would stay in the job for a third year, however, the Wexford County Board took the decision to fire Meyler after consultation with the players.
Fairly surprised at that, from talking to some of the players when he first came in, they were fairly enthusiatic about him. He had a good first year and gave kilkenny a game this year but didnt really build on that. With no intent to undermine him whatsoever, I'd say he would be a great manager to get for a Christy Ring side.
The Players did hate him, he treated them like children and never once held his hands up and said I made a mistake, whenever we lost it was the players fault and never some of his strange positional changes in the team.
Bollix Eddie, Myler came out after the 2007 Leinster final and said he didn't know what went wrong, he suggested it could be his fualt, that he might not be good enough, I never remember him blaming anyone, he was always looking to the positive.
Quote from: scalder on October 08, 2008, 01:33:43 PM
Bollix Eddie, Myler came out after the 2007 Leinster final and said he didn't know what went wrong, he suggested it could be his fualt, that he might not be good enough, I never remember him blaming anyone, he was always looking to the positive.
I remember his comments after that match and he was very self-critical and honest, to point where Tom Humprehies made a sarcastic comparasion to Pillar Caffrey.
Quote from: scalder on October 08, 2008, 01:33:43 PM
Bollix Eddie, Myler came out after the 2007 Leinster final and said he didn't know what went wrong, he suggested it could be his fualt, that he might not be good enough, I never remember him blaming anyone, he was always looking to the positive.
Well I know a couple of players who with differ with that opinion! his dressing room stance was to criticise the players
To me it seems hurling affairs in Wexford are being run by a crowd of cabbages. Every time they take a step forward something stupid (usually of their own making) happens and sends them back 2 steps. There is huge passion for the game down there but no really coherent approach, certainly at adult level. Great guys like George O'Connor can only do so much. If everyone is not pulling together they are frigged.
As for players "liking" the manager - that has nothing to do with anything. I've played under mamagers I don't like many times where they've been good mamangers and we got results. Players don't have to "like" each other to get results and win matches together. This "liking" stuff is overrated. Wexfords results under Meyler (bar against Kilkienny who have beaten everyone well in the same period) were fairly good all things considered. That's what matters. Like me arse.
I thought all things considered that Meyler was a great asset to Wexford - in hindsight maybe too good for them.
I remember after the Waterford match in Thurles, he was asked for his opinion on the season that had just ended - he said that Wexford needed a whole change in their mindset - he compared the Wexford and Cork's outlook to life in general but more particularly hurling - he said in Cork people say it is sunny most days - in Wexford people think it's raining most days.
Enough said.
Meyler was iherently a decent man who gospel was not going to be accepted by his own as is often the case.
Time for a change John - go some place where you will be appreciated - Wexford's loss - somebody else's gain.
Quote from: orangeman on October 08, 2008, 03:09:50 PM
Meyler ... gospel was not going to be accepted by his own as is often the case.
I thought he was a Corkman?
It would take God himself to do something with Wexford hurling, the senior club championship is at a standrad that makes me wonder how the hell we can have a future! I'm a believer that in order to get the best out of average players you need to have good man management skills, Meyler has a good knowledge of the game and you could see the style he wanted to play was probably the best way going forward but unfortunately he couldn't manage the players and if you don't have the players then you can't do anything. Meyler is a guy who expects the best but unfortunately that can lead to frustration when you are dealing with a group of guys whose best is simply not up there with the Kilkennys and Corks of this World.
Quote from: cornafean on October 08, 2008, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: orangeman on October 08, 2008, 03:09:50 PM
Meyler ... gospel was not going to be accepted by his own as is often the case.
I thought he was a Corkman?
John Meyler (born 1956 in Our Lady's Island, County Wexford) is a retired Irish hurling manager and former player,. He played hurling with his local clubs Our Lady's Island and St. Finbarr's and with the Wexford and Cork senior inter-county teams from 1973 until 1987. Meyler later served as manager of both the Kerry and Wexford senior inter-county teams.
Quote from: orangeman on October 08, 2008, 03:46:32 PM
John Meyler (born 1956 in Our Lady's Island, County Wexford) is a retired Irish hurling manager and former player,. He played hurling with his local clubs Our Lady's Island and St. Finbarr's and with the Wexford and Cork senior inter-county teams from 1973 until 1987. Meyler later served as manager of both the Kerry and Wexford senior inter-county teams.
Good man. Thanks.
Quote from: The Claw on October 08, 2008, 12:46:06 PM
Fairly surprised at that, from talking to some of the players when he first came in, they were fairly enthusiatic about him. He had a good first year and gave kilkenny a game this year but didnt really build on that. With no intent to undermine him whatsoever, I'd say he would be a great manager to get for a Christy Ring side.
really ? a few players who I have spoken to (or their brothers) have said he wasnt up to much, and a lot of their colleagues refused to declare for the hurlers because of this.
Apparantly there were some 20 - 30 other hurlers approached to join the county set up and refused because they thought the management was rubbish. I know two of them.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 08, 2008, 04:55:42 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 08, 2008, 12:46:06 PM
Fairly surprised at that, from talking to some of the players when he first came in, they were fairly enthusiatic about him. He had a good first year and gave kilkenny a game this year but didnt really build on that. With no intent to undermine him whatsoever, I'd say he would be a great manager to get for a Christy Ring side.
really ? a few players who I have spoken to (or their brothers) have said he wasnt up to much, and a lot of their colleagues refused to declare for the hurlers because of this.
Apparantly there were some 20 - 30 other hurlers approached to join the county set up and refused because they thought the management was rubbish. I know two of them.
How did they know the management was rubbish and how can you call the management rubbish when they nearly took Waterford in the quarter finals ? Held Kilkenny for a half ? More than most did this year.
orangeman , i haven't met anyone from wexford who has a good word to say about him. his man-management just isn't there. yeah we all know this shouldn't matter but it does. the fact of the matter is this, he couldn't get all the best players in the county out to play for him. without that counties liike wexford have zero chance.
To draw a parallel Tommy Naughton has stepped down in dublin.alan mc crabbe the star player on our all-ireland u21 final team last year went to the states because he didn't get on with him.had he been available in nowlan park against wexford we'd have won. I can 100% guarantee you that was a factor in the decision to him withdrawing his name this year because the players all know we need him.
I've played on many team where i didn;t get on with managers, but the managers never let relationships dip to the point that i'd walk away. thats a skill itself, and it beggars belief to me that managers with a small pick will let stupid things like personailties get in the way of getting the job done. I'm not talking about mollycoddling lads but i'd indulge someone if he was that much better than everyone else that he'd bring the team over the line. After all if the team is winning would it not make the manager look good too?
I don't really accept that he's that bad - why was this not brought to light before ? I was at several of their matches last year and by God were these Wexford lads committed to the cause.
And remember this, but for Damien Fitzhenry not scoring from the penalty in Thurles, who knows ???????
Damian Fitzhenry in today's Indo is livid about Meyler's sacking, saying that they players and management had a meeting after the deafeat to Waterford in the 1/4 finals - they had a meeting and put any issues the players had to management - Damian says that the panel were ENTIRELY behind Meyler at that meeting.
So what changed ??
Quote from: orangeman on October 08, 2008, 09:58:42 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on October 08, 2008, 04:55:42 PM
Quote from: The Claw on October 08, 2008, 12:46:06 PM
Fairly surprised at that, from talking to some of the players when he first came in, they were fairly enthusiatic about him. He had a good first year and gave kilkenny a game this year but didnt really build on that. With no intent to undermine him whatsoever, I'd say he would be a great manager to get for a Christy Ring side.
really ? a few players who I have spoken to (or their brothers) have said he wasnt up to much, and a lot of their colleagues refused to declare for the hurlers because of this.
Apparantly there were some 20 - 30 other hurlers approached to join the county set up and refused because they thought the management was rubbish. I know two of them.
How did they know the management was rubbish and how can you call the management rubbish when they nearly took Waterford in the quarter finals ? Held Kilkenny for a half ? More than most did this year.
dont know to be honest, but what I was hearing was from early 2008 not later on...
he wasnt liked/respected or whatever it was.
A lot of players wouldnt go with the hurlers this year and a few opted for football over hurling which is unusual if not sacriligious in wexford.
There was no confidence in the county that anything much would happen because they knew that they didnt have their best XV out on the field or even in the panel.
Quote from: orangeman on October 09, 2008, 10:14:43 AM
Damian Fitzhenry in today's Indo is livid about Meyler's sacking, saying that they players and management had a meeting after the deafeat to Waterford in the 1/4 finals - they had a meeting and put any issues the players had to management - Damian says that the panel were ENTIRELY behind Meyler at that meeting.
So what changed ??
these are the players that declared to play under him.
rem there are a apparantly a lot who didnt or wouldnt, I expect thats why wex sacked him
I am not saying its right and I feel sorry for him, but I dont control the opinion of a lot of wex people and players.
But...
Quote from: orangeman on October 08, 2008, 11:43:39 AM
Sacked Wexford boss John Meyler has told RTÉ Sport that it was the Wexford players who are responsible for his departure as manager.
Very confusing ???
Quote from: orangeman on October 09, 2008, 09:09:32 AM
I don't really accept that he's that bad - why was this not brought to light before ? I was at several of their matches last year and by God were these Wexford lads committed to the cause.
And remember this, but for Damien Fitzhenry not scoring from the penalty in Thurles, who knows ???????
Surely the fact that the players got rid of him proves they didn't like him! I know 3 players form my club who refused to be on his extended panel for training because they just didn't want to play or be around the man. Wexford are not blessed with riches and the reality is we need 30 guys giving it their all in training to make sure we have the best 15 out there along with a team well prepared! Wexfords training matches are like the over 70's 5 a side soccer game in Father Ted.
So I've seen Liam Dunne and heard that Damian Fitzhenry - Wexford hurlers who've actually won things - are angry about the shafting of the manager but its the cowardly behind closed doors whisperers who have succeeded in getting their way. Lads who have done f**k all in the Wexford jersey compared to Dunne and Fitzy.
I believe firmly in life that you have lads that will always find an excuse for not winning or not committing and I think you need to forget about those guys. They don't have the character required to succeed. Let them stay in the pub on match days and be big men in a small pond.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 09, 2008, 11:54:58 AM
So I've seen Liam Dunne and heard that Damian Fitzhenry - Wexford hurlers who've actually won things - are angry about the shafting of the manager but its the cowardly behind closed doors whisperers who have succeeded in getting their way. Lads who have done f**k all in the Wexford jersey compared to Dunne and Fitzy.
I believe firmly in life that you have lads that will always find an excuse for not winning or not committing and I think you need to forget about those guys. They don't have the character required to succeed. Let them stay in the pub on match days and be big men in a small pond.
I couldn't agree with you more - exactly let them staty in the pub -
Eddie - I don't know youe club or who the guys are that you're talking about but these players who refuse to go to train for John Meyler or any manager in my opinion have nothing to offer - excuse merchants - I'd say they wouldn't get on the team anyway and would cry and complain about not getting on and would be generally disruptive - so I;d say Meyler was better off without them.
I know that sounds very controversial - it's not meant to be but that's how it is.
don't agree orangeman , richie keogh went to the states because him, lyng,barry wouldn't entertain the idea of playing for him. he couldn't get promising young lads to even train with them. remember in january lyng and barry were going to the hurlers when jason ryan was appt but they wouldn't commit to the hurlers because of meyler, as a result they went back to football and the rest is history. The reality is meyler is a very good coach but he isn't a manager and i guarantee you you speak to anyone about him and they will tell you the same thing.
I never liked him he was so condescending towards the likes of dublin and others this year just because he resided in cork for part of his life and is as arrogant as most of the people from that county.
You hit the nail on the head Indy, Orangeman these guys I am talking about would be guys who would have had experience of him in the college games and would never hurl under the guy.
Arrogant isn't how I would have described Melyer but I'll bow to your in depth knowledge of the situation - I'm looking from the outside in whereas you guys have the inside line - but I just can't stand this thing of players throwing the head up like spoilt children just cos some one is the manager and they don't particularly like them.
Mickey Harte was the target for this sort of crap three months ago. ::)
So Damian Fitzhenry is out of step - is that it?
Very interesting to see that this "gang of 4" approach to Co Board after a players meeting was used again in Wexford. It was the same in Sligo (though didn't receive the same publicity). If you were cynical you would think county panels were getting advice from the same people on how to get rid of managers....
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2008, 11:36:48 AM
So Damian Fitzhenry is out of step - is that it?
Very interesting to see that this "gang of 4" approach to Co Board after a players meeting was used again in Wexford. It was the same in Sligo (though didn't receive the same publicity). If you were cynical you would think county panels were getting advice from the same people on how to get rid of managers....
Which gang of 4 ??
Apparently 4 unnamed players made the approach to the county board to tell them to get rid of Meyler.
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2008, 12:49:30 PM
Apparently 4 unnamed players made the approach to the county board to tell them to get rid of Meyler.
Would love to know who they are !
Quote from: magpie seanie on October 10, 2008, 11:36:48 AM
So Damian Fitzhenry is out of step - is that it?
Very interesting to see that this "gang of 4" approach to Co Board after a players meeting was used again in Wexford. It was the same in Sligo (though didn't receive the same publicity). If you were cynical you would think county panels were getting advice from the same people on how to get rid of managers....
Indeed. It's a worrying trend, players trying to dictate the terms, some people would be keen to see that develop alright. ::)