Maybe this should be in the " What the f*ck thread.........."
Loyalist leaders including alleged UDA boss Jackie McDonald are to attend an event at a west Belfast GAA club this evening.
It is the first time that members of
a loyalist paramilitary group have been invited to speak at a Gaelic sports club.
The cross-community event, to be held in Sarsfields Gaelic Athletic Club in Andersonstown, has been organised by the Standing Northern Ireland Peace Process (Snipp).
While the group, set up to explore new ways to build links between divided communities, has already held two public meetings this will be the first to take place in west Belfast.
Nationalist community worker Jim McCorry and Ulster Political Research Group representative Colin Halliday will chair the event.
Mr McCorry said the fact that the meeting was able to take place in an Andersonstown venue was a optimistic sign for the future.
"The initiative for this event has come from within the ranks of loyalism," he said.
"It would not have been possible otherwise.
"During early dialogue loyalist representatives expressed a keenness to speak to people from a nationalist, republican background and to create conditions for further public discussions.
"The hope would be that we can come together and find common ground on ordinary issues such as the economic difficulties and hardship that face working-class communities across the divide.
"The fact that this meeting is able to take place at this time with the consensus of all those involved shows that we have moved on to
a degree.
"However, there is still a very long way to go and this is early days."
The group comprises community epresentatives from both sides of the political divide.
Both of its previous public meetings took place in Taughmonagh Social Club in the loyalist heartland of south Belfast and were well
attended.
Representatives of the Irish government, including senior Department of Foreign Affairs diplomat Aine de Baroid, attended previous Snipp events.
Senior civil servants from the NIO have also attended.
This evening Mr McDonald and loyalist political representative Frankie Gallagher will take part in a panel discussion along with members of the republican community.
Gerry Ruddy of the IRSP will take part in the panel discussion.
Other republican representatives including Jim Auld, head of Community Restorative Justice Ireland, are also to attend.
An international delegation from the Moldova region of eastern Europe who are touring Northern Ireland will give a short presentation on how cultural conflict has impacted on their community.
Once again the tolerance of we nationalist people is to be marvelled at. When Sinn Fein ministers visiting schools are heckled and abused by schoolchildren (egged on by adults of course) we welcome the head of a mass murder gang (how many GAA members did Mc Donald's men kill?) into one of our clubs.
Did Gregory Campbell not appeal at the weekend for GAA clubs not to associate with paramilitarism, oh sorry, that was republican paramilitarism >:(
Why is this being held in a GAA club? It seems to stem from a request to speak to the Nationalist (political) community. Would a local hall or something not be better? Sort of reinforces the idea that a GAA club is an 'away' venue for Unionists/Loyalists.
Some of these guys seem to think they are some sort of humanitarians as they dont kill each other anymore ::)
Quote from: nifan on September 17, 2008, 09:48:42 AM
Some of these guys seem to think they are some sort of humanitarians as they dont kill each other anymore ::)
Hey, it's better than the alternative. Small mercies and all that.
I think Mc Donald is masquerading as some sort of "community worker" now (we have them on both sides of the house) and i suppose they are chasing all the funding they can get their hands on.........Just hope he does not take it all to the bookies like Shoukri.
Can't disagree with tonys comments. Unionist/Loyalists need to evolve to and be more comfortable in their own skin. Once you're asking the question of "what about their perspective in all of this?"...you're on the road to resolution
Shouldn't be held in a GAA club though....we're non political
Agreed AZ, its certainly better, but its also sad that we have to appease these guys sense of self importance.
Any muppet can pick up a gun, and unfortunatley did.
The GAA is non-political. Yeah right. There is a FG TD managing Mayo for christ sake. Everything in this country is political. Back to the case at hand, I have no problem in a group that is trying to build cross community functions having a meeting in a GAA ground. This is an effort towards peacful co-existance and I think it is petty for people to be playing the "Non Political GAA" card. Now, there is a valid point about loyalists not reciprocating the gesture when a SF member visits a school, but then loyalists have always been the slower learners. The best way to counter this is to continue to show generosity to the unionist community until such a time as they realise that nationalists and the GAA are not the devils they believe them to be.
Quote from: theskull1 on September 17, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Can't disagree with tonys comments. Unionist/Loyalists need to evolve to and be more comfortable in their own skin. Once you're asking the question of "what about their perspective in all of this?"...you're on the road to resolution
Shouldn't be held in a GAA club though....we're non political
;D ;D
Good one , owe your serious :o
Quote from: mylestheslasher on September 17, 2008, 10:37:49 AM
The GAA is non-political. Yeah right. There is a FG TD managing Mayo for christ sake. Everything in this country is political. Back to the case at hand, I have no problem in a group that is trying to build cross community functions having a meeting in a GAA ground. This is an effort towards peacful co-existance and I think it is petty for people to be playing the "Non Political GAA" card. Now, there is a valid point about loyalists not reciprocating the gesture when a SF member visits a school, but then loyalists have always been the slower learners. The best way to counter this is to continue to show generosity to the unionist community until such a time as they realise that nationalists and the GAA are not the devils they believe them to be.
Myles, obviously politics is everywhere, but a person's political leanings shouldn't have any bearing on the GAA. The GAA as an 'organisation' is supposed to be non-political.
This event seems to suggest that the GAA club is the 'home' for the political aspect of Nationalism. Unless there's no other venue possible, I think it's a bit dodgy, perspective wise.
If, as is the case in many places, the GAA grounds doubles up as a de-facto village hall, then fair enough. It just reads funny.
UDA man: 'We're going to speak to the Nationalists at their place, the local GAA club'.
Quote from: nifan on September 17, 2008, 10:13:17 AM
Agreed AZ, its certainly better, but its also sad that we have to appease these guys sense of self importance.
Any muppet can pick up a gun, and unfortunatley did.
All very true.
I just hope the meeting goes ahead without incident and that all concerned will feel it was a successful initiative when it is over.
I think that Sarsfields GAA Club are to be commended for hosting this meeting- there has to be many members who have little reason to welcome either McDonald or those he represents onto its premises but as he seems to be attending at his own request he should be given a chance to meet members of the local community on their own terms.
I can only see good coming from this meeting. It certainly won't leading to overnight bonding between all sections of the community but if it's a small step in the right direction it should be welcomed.
I accept Tony's point about the tolerance of those who've seen Sinn Fein Ministers being assaulted by school kids, egged on by their parents, while welcoming McDonald into their midst. But those people were always going to be the last sector to let their bigotry and intolerance go and they will still be around for many years to come.
If even a small number of both communities find their fears of the other side eased somewhat then some good will have come of this meeting.
Finally, I think its best to have this event held in the local GAA club and not in a local hall of some sort; in any part of Nationalist Ireland it would be hard to meet a genuine cross section of the local community anywhere else.
The hand of tolerance, if not of outright friendship, is being held out here and it is up to others to shake it or not.
I had to laugh at AZ´s away ground comment.
I suppose that's the perception, the Green Hall.
I'd look upon it as a non political location within the nationalist area.
A sanctuary of sorts, hallowed ground :)
The GAA is "non party political", not "non political."
The GAA certainly wasnt "non political" a couple of years ago when we had a march in memory of the hunger strikers in Casement Park.........
Quote from: Minder on September 17, 2008, 01:59:59 PM
The GAA certainly wasnt "non political" a couple of years ago when we had a march in memory of the hunger strikers in Casement Park.........
The GAA didn't have a march in memory of the Hunger Strikers.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on September 17, 2008, 02:04:54 PM
Quote from: Minder on September 17, 2008, 01:59:59 PM
The GAA certainly wasnt "non political" a couple of years ago when we had a march in memory of the hunger strikers in Casement Park.........
The GAA didn't have a march in memory of the Hunger Strikers.
Where was it held then? Am i right in thinking the Antrim Board got fined or reprimanded for allowing it to go ahead?
The grounds were allowed to be used for the commemoration.
The GAA did not hold the commemoration.
Antrim GAA were told not to allow it.
Antrim GAA were reprimanded and fined.
Quote from: Main Street on September 17, 2008, 02:17:26 PM
The grounds were allowed to be used for the commemoration.
The GAA did not hold the commemoration.
Antrim GAA were told not to allow it.
Antrim GAA were reprimanded and fined.
Surely you can understand the signals events like that sent the unionist community?
Exactly what did I write that would give you the idea that I did not understand the signals?
FWIW, I thought GAA HQ acted appropriately.
Quote from: Minder on September 17, 2008, 01:59:59 PM
The GAA certainly wasnt "non political" a couple of years ago when we had a march in memory of the hunger strikers in Casement Park.........
But weren't the Antrim Co Board given a rap on the knuckles for that?
Yes the Antrim board were reprimanded, but the whole "GAA held a HS rally at Casement" line is spouted by anti-GAA people all the time and is wrong.
Minder the certain people in the unionist community go out of their ways to be offended, there's no helping them (as do certain members of my own community).
Casement was the best (and some would say only) venue to hold this event, due to the numbers - personally I felt it was the right decision for it to go ahead.
Quote from: T Fearon on September 17, 2008, 09:43:08 AM
Once again the tolerance of we nationalist people is to be marvelled at. When Sinn Fein ministers visiting schools are heckled and abused by schoolchildren (egged on by adults of course) we welcome the head of a mass murder gang (how many GAA members did Mc Donald's men kill?) into one of our clubs.
Did Gregory Campbell not appeal at the weekend for GAA clubs not to associate with paramilitarism, oh sorry, that was republican paramilitarism >:(
Tony, just a thought, but
maybe what this shows is that terrorists are more acceptable within the nationalist/republican community than within the unionist community?
That, by the way, isn't an attempt to wind people up, but a genuine concern I would have that some nationalists continue to see terrorists as having a legitimate place in the public eye.
Personally, I wouldn't have a bit of time for any enemies of democracy and do not understand why this man should be given a platform to air his views when, as far as I am aware, he has never sought a mandate to represent any part of the community.
Quote from: Tonto on September 17, 2008, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 17, 2008, 09:43:08 AM
Once again the tolerance of we nationalist people is to be marvelled at. When Sinn Fein ministers visiting schools are heckled and abused by schoolchildren (egged on by adults of course) we welcome the head of a mass murder gang (how many GAA members did Mc Donald's men kill?) into one of our clubs.
Did Gregory Campbell not appeal at the weekend for GAA clubs not to associate with paramilitarism, oh sorry, that was republican paramilitarism >:(
Tony, just a thought, but maybe what this shows is that terrorists are more acceptable within the nationalist/republican community than within the unionist community?
That, by the way, isn't an attempt to wind people up, but a genuine concern I would have that some nationalists continue to see terrorists as having a legitimate place in the public eye.
Personally, I wouldn't have a bit of time for any enemies of democracy and do not understand why this man should be given a platform to air his views when, as far as I am aware, he has never sought a mandate to represent any part of the community.
and what would the unionist community be able to tell the world about democracy? sweet fcuk all
Quoteand what would the unionist community be able to tell the world about democracy? sweet fcuk all
Of course no unionist can believe in democracy ::)
Quote from: Tonto on September 17, 2008, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on September 17, 2008, 09:43:08 AM
Once again the tolerance of we nationalist people is to be marvelled at. When Sinn Fein ministers visiting schools are heckled and abused by schoolchildren (egged on by adults of course) we welcome the head of a mass murder gang (how many GAA members did Mc Donald's men kill?) into one of our clubs.
Did Gregory Campbell not appeal at the weekend for GAA clubs not to associate with paramilitarism, oh sorry, that was republican paramilitarism >:(
Tony, just a thought, but maybe what this shows is that terrorists are more acceptable within the nationalist/republican community than within the unionist community?
That, by the way, isn't an attempt to wind people up, but a genuine concern I would have that some nationalists continue to see terrorists as having a legitimate place in the public eye.
Personally, I wouldn't have a bit of time for any enemies of democracy and do not understand why this man should be given a platform to air his views when, as far as I am aware, he has never sought a mandate to represent any part of the community.
I think the word "terrorist" should be banned from the english language.
Quote from: nifan on September 17, 2008, 08:29:50 PM
Quoteand what would the unionist community be able to tell the world about democracy? sweet fcuk all
Of course no unionist can believe in democracy ::)
they can believe in whatever they want but their history shows they know nothing about practicing it
dead on, were all just about keeping you down ::)
I see the loyalists starting to panic and try get themselves into position for the inevitable shakeup. McDonald hasn't stayed at the top of the tree without beating down pretenders to his throne. This again is an attempt to portray "Uncle" Jackie, the acceptable face of unionism.
Paisley even recognised this tactic and was trying to manoeuver Junior into a position of power by starting up dialog with nationalists. Robinson ditto. They all know the army council havent gone away but are happy enough to peddle the illusion as it suits their purposes to feed that to their voters and they are dumb enough to swallow it.
Theres money in those "community worker" positions. Just depends on who gets in there first and builds up links with the other side first...then they are in prime position.
I read last night that Sarsfields cancelled the event when they realised who the attendees would be, the plot thickens......... :o
http://www.irishnews.com/irishnews/540/5860/2008/9/18/597943_357535830250GAAclubc.html
Where they not informed of who would be attending? If not why not!
Typical GAA bigots ;D
Thats what the likes of willie frazer will no doubt claim MS ::)
No doubt the Sarsfield members want to keep the club drugs free.
The Shoukri brothers probably demanded 50% of the door receipts
Quote from: theskull1 on September 17, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Shouldn't be held in a GAA club though....we're non political
Indeed, hence the naming of the club after a General who was born in Co.Dublin, is most associated in Ireland with Limerick and who died in Continental Europe. In the 17th Century.
I'm amazed he had time to fit in a spot of Hurling or Gaelic Football any time he visited West Belfast, but there you go. ;)
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 17, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Shouldn't be held in a GAA club though....we're non political
Indeed, hence the naming of the club after a General who was born in Co.Dublin, is most associated in Ireland with Limerick and who died in Continental Europe. In the 17th Century.
I'm amazed he had time to fit in a spot of Hurling or Gaelic Football any time he visited West Belfast, but there you go. ;)
Hmmm. Lets just have a look around...
Chichester Street (Belfast) - named after the fecker who tortured and murdered us Irish in the 17th century
Prince Charles Way (Newtownabby) - whose army murdered innocent civilians on Bloody Sunday
The Robinson Centre (Belfast) - after the fecker who invaded Clontibret
Obviously we have to have a rethink in the GAA and not name any clubs/pitches/competitions after anybody who took up arms of any sort against any invader or their allies. Not just against the armies of the English but also going back to those who fought against the noble Vikings.
We should consider the Tuatha de Danann as the one true holy warrior people because they fought against the dark Celts/Babel.
Quote from: Orior on September 18, 2008, 04:39:46 PM
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 17, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Shouldn't be held in a GAA club though....we're non political
Indeed, hence the naming of the club after a General who was born in Co.Dublin, is most associated in Ireland with Limerick and who died in Continental Europe. In the 17th Century.
I'm amazed he had time to fit in a spot of Hurling or Gaelic Football any time he visited West Belfast, but there you go. ;)
Hmmm. Lets just have a look around...
Chichester Street (Belfast) - named after the fecker who tortured and murdered us Irish in the 17th century
Prince Charles Way (Newtownabby) - whose army murdered innocent civilians on Bloody Sunday
The Robinson Centre (Belfast) - after the fecker who invaded Clontibret
Er, no-one, least of all me, is claiming that Belfast City Council is not a "political" organisation, or that their street-naming policy doesn't on occasion have a political motivation.
I was merely responding to someone who asserted that the GAA club in question was "non-political", by musing over the origins of the club's name.
Still, have a Gold Star, for your "Whataboutery of the Week"! :D
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:50:47 PM
Obviously we have to have a rethink in the GAA and not name any clubs/pitches/competitions after anybody who took up arms of any sort against any invader or their allies. Not just against the armies of the English but also going back to those who fought against the noble Vikings.
We should consider the Tuatha de Danann as the one true holy warrior people because they fought against the dark Celts/Babel.
As I have noted on frequent occasions in the past, GAA clubs may name themselves after whomsoever they like, including partisan political/military figures from the 17th Century, indeed even those who are not known ever to have kicked a ball in their life.
Just don't be too surprised, however, if after doing so, outside observers raise an eyebrow at claims by the GAA that they are "non-political"... ::)
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:50:47 PM
Obviously we have to have a rethink in the GAA and not name any clubs/pitches/competitions after anybody who took up arms of any sort against any invader or their allies. Not just against the armies of the English but also going back to those who fought against the noble Vikings.
We should consider the Tuatha de Danann as the one true holy warrior people because they fought against the dark Celts/Babel.
As I have noted on frequent occasions in the past, GAA clubs may name themselves after whomsoever they like, including partisan political/military figures from the 17th Century, indeed even those who are not known ever to have kicked a ball in their life.
Just don't be too surprised, however, if after doing so, outside observers raise an eyebrow at claims by the GAA that they are "non-political"... ::)
because the people who named the club are still around today ::)
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:50:47 PM
Obviously we have to have a rethink in the GAA and not name any clubs/pitches/competitions after anybody who took up arms of any sort against any invader or their allies. Not just against the armies of the English but also going back to those who fought against the noble Vikings.
We should consider the Tuatha de Danann as the one true holy warrior people because they fought against the dark Celts/Babel.
As I have noted on frequent occasions in the past, GAA clubs may name themselves after whomsoever they like, including partisan political/military figures from the 17th Century, indeed even those who are not known ever to have kicked a ball in their life.
Just don't be too surprised, however, if after doing so, outside observers raise an eyebrow at claims by the GAA that they are "non-political"... ::)
Is the GAA named after a political or military figure? Clubs are named after plenty of things but is the GAA responsible for the names of its individual clubs? I'm not sure how naming a GAA club after an individual from the 17th century would annoy many people anyway.
The PSNI are probably the most political GAA club in Ireland anyway...
Quote from: fred the red on September 18, 2008, 06:32:25 PM
because the people who named the club are still around today ::)
Obviously not and in making what wasn't an entirely serious point, perhaps I should have made it clear that I have no reason to believe that the people at this particular club are especially "political" in the way they conduct their affairs.
Nonetheless, my general point still stands. That is, for a self-styled "non-political" organisation, the GAA has named more than its share of clubs, trophies, tournaments and stadia etc after controversial and partisan political figures, drawn exclusively from one side of the political divide in Ireland, in a practice that continues to this very day. As such, it has no equal in any other sport in Ireland, North or South.
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 05:50:47 PM
Obviously we have to have a rethink in the GAA and not name any clubs/pitches/competitions after anybody who took up arms of any sort against any invader or their allies. Not just against the armies of the English but also going back to those who fought against the noble Vikings.
We should consider the Tuatha de Danann as the one true holy warrior people because they fought against the dark Celts/Babel.
As I have noted on frequent occasions in the past, GAA clubs may name themselves after whomsoever they like, including partisan political/military figures from the 17th Century, indeed even those who are not known ever to have kicked a ball in their life.
Just don't be too surprised, however, if after doing so, outside observers raise an eyebrow at claims by the GAA that they are "non-political"... ::)
It wouldn't surprise me. Illiteracy, ignorance and prejudice is common enough.
'Sarsfield is the word and Sarsfield is the name' would surely still strike fear into the heart of such a subject. ::)
Quote from: stibhan on September 18, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
Is the GAA named after a political or military figure? Clubs are named after plenty of things but is the GAA responsible for the names of its individual clubs?
No, the GAA is not responsible for the names of its individual clubs, or of its clubs' stadia and facilities, for that matter. But that is my whole point - they have long since absolved themselves of "responsibility" for anything which might embarrass them, or be used to criticise them. Convenient, that, eh, especially when you consider their undoubted power to sanction and discipline clubs which incur their displeasure in other ways?
And I can't help wondering whether they have ever objected to their Member Clubs playing in any (GAA-sanctioned)
tournament which is named after a controversial political figure?
Quote from: stibhan on September 18, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
I'm not sure how naming a GAA club after an individual from the 17th century would annoy many people anyway.
It doesn't bother me, personally, either - especially when it was done a century or so ago. However, if I were a GAA fan, it would concern me considerably to see clubs, tournaments, stadia etc being named in the present day after controversial and partisan political or paramilitary figures, such as Kevin Lynch, for example.
Then again, that is reason alone for me and people like me not to be GAA fans...
Quote from: stibhan on September 18, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
The PSNI are probably the most political GAA club in Ireland anyway...
Congratulations! You win the "Sam Maguire Was a Protestant Award" for the month of September! ::)
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 07:17:38 PM
It wouldn't surprise me. Illiteracy, ignorance and prejudice is common enough.
What is your point? Are you really trying to claim that in selecting the name of a long-dead General and Politician from the 17th Century, with no connection with Gaelic Games generally or Belfast specifically, the founders were
not making a consciously political choice?
As I indicated above, it does not bother me that they did, especially since the decision was made so long ago, but let's show a little bit of honesty here.
Quote from: Main Street on September 18, 2008, 07:17:38 PM
'Sarsfield is the word and Sarsfield is the name' would surely still strike fear into the heart of such a subject. ::)
I'm afraid you've lost me, there. Is that some sort of well-known phrase I should be aware of?
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 07:24:50 PM
Quote from: stibhan on September 18, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
Is the GAA named after a political or military figure? Clubs are named after plenty of things but is the GAA responsible for the names of its individual clubs?
No, the GAA is not responsible for the names of its individual clubs, or of its clubs' stadia and facilities, for that matter. But that is my whole point - they have long since absolved themselves of "responsibility" for anything which might embarrass them, or be used to criticise them. Convenient, that, eh, especially when you consider their undoubted power to sanction and discipline clubs which incur their displeasure in other ways?
And I can't help wondering whether they have ever objected to their Member Clubs playing in any (GAA-sanctioned) tournament which is named after a controversial political figure?
Quote from: stibhan on September 18, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
I'm not sure how naming a GAA club after an individual from the 17th century would annoy many people anyway.
It doesn't bother me, personally, either - especially when it was done a century or so ago. However, if I were a GAA fan, it would concern me considerably to see clubs, tournaments, stadia etc being named in the present day after controversial and partisan political or paramilitary figures, such as Kevin Lynch, for example.
Then again, that is reason alone for me and people like me not to be GAA fans...
Quote from: stibhan on September 18, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
The PSNI are probably the most political GAA club in Ireland anyway...
Congratulations! You win the "Sam Maguire Was a Protestant Award" for the month of September! ::)
Cut out the condescension, it tends to make people respect your views as a cogent and balanced individual.
It's pretty clear that Kevin Lynch is venerated for his peaceful actions rather than his violent ones. Bear in mind Kevin Lynch also played hurling at a high level for county Derry, and wasn't just some republican from the area. He was someone who died young who loved the GAA and was captain of his county. I don't, for example, see anyone naming any GAA clubs after the Shankill Bombers, Mairead McFarrell etc.
Lynch's violent actions in terms of taking part in punishment beatings and certainly his political convictions are probably not held in high regard by those members of the club, let alone the majority of the GAA. He incidentally was never convicted of murder, though, and I would suggest to you that his actions on hunger strike, whether or not you agree with them, are what defined his life and made him famous enough to have a hurling club named after him. Whilst I can't really speak with any authority on the numbers in the INLA, it's likely that there were a few more people from the area in such an organisation, and yet they chose to name the club after Kevin Lynch... do you think that's because he was a member of the INLA or because he was a talented hurler who died young in tragic, easily preventable circumstances? The political motive is certainly there but then why didn't anyone name clubs after Patsy O'Hara et al?
the meetings are being held for all the usualy reasons such as promoting good relations etc and its aimed at the youth but the fact is that the majority of the youth in these areas see the whole thing as a farce
Is this the same Sarsfield GAA club which held under-age GAA competitions as part of the IRA Hunger Strike 25th anniversary 'celebrations' a couple of years ago.
"A full schedule is listed below and everyone is welcome to come along and enjoy the Hurling and Football over the 3 days in what promises to be a great display of young talent and hopefully what should be a fitting tribute to the memory of the 1981 Hunger Strikers and also all others during our History, who sacrificed everything for the benefit of everyone else."
http://www.gaelsport.com/html/club/newfullstory.jsp?c=612&newsID=13938&p=n
Disgusting.
Patrick Sarsfield's are a great GAA club who have nothing to explain or apologise for.
Quote from: Guillem2 on September 18, 2008, 10:39:55 PM
Patrick Sarsfield's are a great GAA club who have nothing to explain or apologise for.
Well Guillem2 i am still waiting for an apology from Tub Mc Kernan for the 10 stitches i got above my eye a few years ago in the bearpit......... :o
Not half as disgusting as the 400 years of hatred and bigotry culminating in 50 years of Unionist misrule in the 6 Counties which led to many of the Nationalist people having to take violent action to get some semblance of fair play.
The likes of "iluvni" and his cohorts need to shed the blinkers and realise that the 6 Cos wasnt some kind of idyllic paradise hwere everyone was uproariously happy till round about 1970 when some mischief makers started up the Prov IRA for no reason.
Cop yourself on you dimwit.
In years to come the "new irish", as we can term the loyalist/unionist community, will not care one jot who the historical figures are they are playing GAA for.
Who knows, there might even be a David Ervine GAA club in east Belfast.
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 07:32:25 PM
'Sarsfield is the word and Sarsfield is the name' would surely still strike fear into the heart of such a subject. ::)
I'm afraid you've lost me, there. Is that some sort of well-known phrase I should be aware of?
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Depends on your knowledge and memory. It's standard national school history material which enters the imaginative world of a young kid and sticks.
When Sarsfield was breaking through the lines at the Siege of Limerick with rapparee Galloping Hogan :), the password was Sarsfield, hence the famous line that entered legend was shouted by Sarsfield at the first sentry before rampaging through before wreaking havoc.
EG...you're some boy. All this minutia which doesn't bother you, yet you still find the time to write paragraphs on these type of subjects. We could all find faults at the edges of even the most altruistic organization, but I don't quite understand why people can't find something more positive to do with their time.
The reality on the ground (independent of what a club is called) is that the GAA are a seriously positive influence on the communities in which they exist. The people who run the clubs run them 99.99999% from a purely GAA ethical perspective. Politics play no part in the day to day life of running these clubs. It's win win from all the way. Or so WE THINK!
What drives you to make the time to comment as you do?
Surely the amount of time these non-gaa fans spend on here could be used better elsewhere....unless they have a sneaky regard for the game and can't wait to play ;)
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 17, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Shouldn't be held in a GAA club though....we're non political
Indeed, hence the naming of the club after a General who was born in Co.Dublin, is most associated in Ireland with Limerick and who died in Continental Europe. In the 17th Century.
I'm amazed he had time to fit in a spot of Hurling or Gaelic Football any time he visited West Belfast, but there you go. ;)
Did he get much soccer fitted in on his journeys to Argentina?
http://www.velezsarsfield.net/ (http://www.velezsarsfield.net/)
What would the reasoning be behind the name of that team? Has your one small step campaign led you to join Argentinian soccer message boards and lambast the AFA for allowing such a name to exist?
And all this non-politicisation of sport from a self-confessed supporter of a team named after a political entity and that flies political flags and plays a political anthem at its matches. You couldn't make it up.
As for Sarfield's of Belfast, interesting that you don't feel the need to bring up the experiences of their two best known NI players. Why for instance do you not refer to the member of the NI senior squad who was subject to vile sectarian abuse by a teammate, a teammate who rather being derided as a sectarian bigotted toerag is lauded as an all-time NI great and a legend on owc? Or why, for instance do you not highlight the case of the former NI under-21 player who wasn't selected for NISFA school teams becasue of the school he attended.
Sort your own life out, before you try to help others.
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 19, 2008, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 17, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Shouldn't be held in a GAA club though....we're non political
Indeed, hence the naming of the club after a General who was born in Co.Dublin, is most associated in Ireland with Limerick and who died in Continental Europe. In the 17th Century.
I'm amazed he had time to fit in a spot of Hurling or Gaelic Football any time he visited West Belfast, but there you go. ;)
Did he get much soccer fitted in on his journeys to Argentina?
http://www.velezsarsfield.net/ (http://www.velezsarsfield.net/)
What would the reasoning be behind the name of that team?
Sorry to be a pedant, but the football club is named after a railway station. (The "reasoning" being, that's where the club was formed)
And the railway station was named after Dalmacio Vélez Sársfield (who wrote Argentina's civil code in the 19th century), not Patrick Sarsfield.
On the subject of the invitation to McDonald and co...
In my opinion this parasitic gangster and his ilk shouldn't be given a platform anywhere. What position entitles them to be listened to? Holding a terrorist arsenal and being involved in organised crime?
So his "men" have stopped murdering people because of their religion or because they disagreed with the gangsters? Well done, Jackie, have a f**king biscuit ::)
Quote from: MW on September 21, 2008, 12:38:42 PM
Quote from: saffron sam2 on September 19, 2008, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: Evil Genius on September 18, 2008, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 17, 2008, 10:12:56 AM
Shouldn't be held in a GAA club though....we're non political
Indeed, hence the naming of the club after a General who was born in Co.Dublin, is most associated in Ireland with Limerick and who died in Continental Europe. In the 17th Century.
I'm amazed he had time to fit in a spot of Hurling or Gaelic Football any time he visited West Belfast, but there you go. ;)
Did he get much soccer fitted in on his journeys to Argentina?
http://www.velezsarsfield.net/ (http://www.velezsarsfield.net/)
What would the reasoning be behind the name of that team?
Sorry to be a pedant, but the football club is named after a railway station. (The "reasoning" being, that's where the club was formed)
And the railway station was named after Dalmacio Vélez Sársfield (who wrote Argentina's civil code in the 19th century), not Patrick Sarsfield.
No need to apologise, pedantry is acceptable when it is being pointed out that I'm in the wrong.
Quote from: MW on September 21, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
On the subject of the invitation to McDonald and co...
In my opinion this parasitic gangster and his ilk shouldn't be given a platform anywhere. What position entitles them to be listened to? Holding a terrorist arsenal and being involved in organised crime?
So his "men" have stopped murdering people because of their religion or because they disagreed with the gangsters? Well done, Jackie, have a f**king biscuit ::)
Just the more murky section of the British forces , useful when needed though.
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2008, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: MW on September 21, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
On the subject of the invitation to McDonald and co...
In my opinion this parasitic gangster and his ilk shouldn't be given a platform anywhere. What position entitles them to be listened to? Holding a terrorist arsenal and being involved in organised crime?
So his "men" have stopped murdering people because of their religion or because they disagreed with the gangsters? Well done, Jackie, have a f**king biscuit ::)
Just the more murky section of the British forces , useful when needed though.
How would you explain the hundreds of UDA members who went to prison for their crimes?
Quote from: MW on September 23, 2008, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2008, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: MW on September 21, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
On the subject of the invitation to McDonald and co...
In my opinion this parasitic gangster and his ilk shouldn't be given a platform anywhere. What position entitles them to be listened to? Holding a terrorist arsenal and being involved in organised crime?
So his "men" have stopped murdering people because of their religion or because they disagreed with the gangsters? Well done, Jackie, have a f**king biscuit ::)
Just the more murky section of the British forces , useful when needed though.
How would you explain the hundreds of UDA members who went to prison for their crimes?
A good deed.
Quote from: Main Street on September 24, 2008, 01:57:29 AM
Quote from: MW on September 23, 2008, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2008, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: MW on September 21, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
On the subject of the invitation to McDonald and co...
In my opinion this parasitic gangster and his ilk shouldn't be given a platform anywhere. What position entitles them to be listened to? Holding a terrorist arsenal and being involved in organised crime?
So his "men" have stopped murdering people because of their religion or because they disagreed with the gangsters? Well done, Jackie, have a f**king biscuit ::)
Just the more murky section of the British forces , useful when needed though.
How would you explain the hundreds of UDA members who went to prison for their crimes?
A good deed.
???
Quote from: MW on September 24, 2008, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 24, 2008, 01:57:29 AM
Quote from: MW on September 23, 2008, 10:01:33 PM
Quote from: Main Street on September 21, 2008, 09:32:28 PM
Quote from: MW on September 21, 2008, 12:44:54 PM
On the subject of the invitation to McDonald and co...
In my opinion this parasitic gangster and his ilk shouldn't be given a platform anywhere. What position entitles them to be listened to? Holding a terrorist arsenal and being involved in organised crime?
So his "men" have stopped murdering people because of their religion or because they disagreed with the gangsters? Well done, Jackie, have a f**king biscuit ::)
Just the more murky section of the British forces , useful when needed though.
How would you explain the hundreds of UDA members who went to prison for their crimes?
A good deed.
???
The meeting has been canceled no story or reason yet.
Learn to spell KC - it's cancelled
Quote from: Rossfan on September 25, 2008, 10:01:51 PM
Learn to spell KC - it's cancelled
EAT A DICK!!! ROSSFAN.
No need for talk like that KC
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Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on September 25, 2008, 10:38:27 PM
No need for talk like that KC
There's rules here ya know?
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1. Personal abuse.
Personal abuse is one of the most common problems on internet boards. Known sometimes as 'playing the man', whether foul language is used or not, this behaviour is
not allowed.
e.g. Calling someone a fat fool is the same as calling someone something more vulgar. This rule applies even in situations where another user has breached this, or
another rule. Retaliation is still a breach of the rule.
Penalties- 1st Offence - Warning, Second Offence - 2 Day Ban, Third Offence - 10 Day Ban, Fourth Offence - Permanent Ban
There no need for 110 % of the shit in here and your worrying about what I post? Well then go feck your self.
In for a penny, in for pound. Eh KC?