From Hoganstand...
Cavan take alternative route in management appointment
07 August 2008
It is understood that Cavan County Board will be looking to a Dundalk-based recruiting company to help find a replacement for Donal Keogan, who left his position as Cavan senior team manager last month.
SportTrackerjobs provide an analysis support system for sportspeople and are the company that will play a major part in allocating a new senior boss in the Breffni County.
Anyone considered by the County Board as a potential candidate will be invited to apply online at www.sporttrackerjobs.ie and nominations from clubs within the county can be made until next Monday, after which a list will be constructed for interviews for the position.
According to Managing Director Peter Larkin the service will be free to Cavan on SportTracker's part in order to raise awareness of the company which began last year.
Cavan County Board chairman Philip Smith admitted that their reasons for using the recruiting companied were to consider all options and appoint the best person possible.
"We want to make the best effort we can to find the right man for the job which is why we're involving SportTracker," said Smith.
Whether or not the new Cavan boss' appointment proves to be a success could have a telling impact on whether the company will last, but with several managers departing in recent weeks it looks to be a good time to launch the programme.
How Pathetic are we lads? :D :D
It would be hilarious if it werent so sad.
Anyone thinking of applying?
That's embarrassing
Tried to apply there - no luck yet. I work for a bunch of muppets now and I think that would qualify me to work for the muppets on the Cavan Co board. I also have no experience of management above U16 which should be a help in getting this job. I also only require 20c a mile which should be a serious advantage. Come on, some club has to nominate me! .....
At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if the job was given back to Keoghan.
Myles
you are not suitable for the job, You actually know Cavan Football,That rules you out.
Now it looks like a highly organised and efficient company,Endorsed by alot of top individuals, Mickey Harte,Brian Cody,Rob Kearney,Dr Liam Hennessey and co.
Maybe just maybe something good might come out of this,But i cant see it.
The Thought though that a county with Cavans resources(sure we are one of the richest counties in terms of Financial backing for GAA with all the fundraising that goes) needs help with this, is astounding.
i might apply i wonder is there a pension scheme in place ;)
I'd expect yous to go look for a high-ish profile guy that will cost a packet
luke dempsey is who I'd equate with the job for you
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 07, 2008, 04:29:19 PM
I'd expect yous to go look for a high-ish profile guy that will cost a packet
luke dempsey is who I'd equate with the job for you
Apply for it LB sure you won a Minor Championship with Brigids
you're already more qualified than Keoghan was ;D
The county board executive members should be made walk around with postits on their foreheads with "sure we haven't a notion" scribbled on it until such time as john maughan is appointed
Jaaasus they couldnt be that stupid ( not the post its -the Maughtan bit) ;D
Quote from: Rossfan on August 07, 2008, 04:57:54 PM
Jaaasus they couldnt be that stupid ( not the post its -the Maughtan bit) ;D
you didn't disappoint me Rossfan ;)
personally i think its a county board cop-out...if it goes badly they can wash their hands of it and if it goes well (perhaps it might...it can't exactly get worse than it was under keogan!) they can pat each other on the back for being innovative and ahead of the pack.
until i research the company involved i reserve judgement on them, but it smacks of snake oil sales at the moment.
on a positive note, im all for keeping the decision away from the county board, because in my opinion they hav'nt a clue about so many aspects of how things should be done, but i believe that a panel of intelligent, respected ex players (for example john donnellan, ronan carolan etc etc...there are plenty of capable people available) could have gotten their heads together and came up with a list of candidates for the job...essentially doing exactly what this recruitment company is doing, but keeping it all 'in house' so to speak. im afraid of someone who is all talk and no trousers getting the job just because they do a good interview. we need to start getting things right at every level from here on out if we're to get out of the doldrums and have a bright future (which is entirely possible...it may take a while, but it can be done!)
anyway, that's my sixpence...whether we agree with this approach or not it's going ahead, so hopefully it will click (i'll happilly eat my words in exchange for some success to shout about!)
Hey!
I think I'll apply!
I am as well padded as Joe Kernan.
I can f and b like Paudie O'Shea.
I wear a monkey cap like Beefer Morrison.
I have a superiority complex like John Maughan.
Finally, I don't know where I am going like John O'Mahony.
I think my credentials are A1.
Where's the number again?
The reason wht Cavan co board are doing this is that when it all ends in tears again, they can say, "we didn't pick the c--t !" ;)
Quote from: BallyhaiseMan on August 07, 2008, 04:30:55 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 07, 2008, 04:29:19 PM
I'd expect yous to go look for a high-ish profile guy that will cost a packet
luke dempsey is who I'd equate with the job for you
Apply for it LB sure you won a Minor Championship with Brigids
you're already more qualified than Keoghan was ;D
thats the problem BHM , people with the first rung level of experience should never be given jobs like this. Keoghan , myself and anyone else like that have no business applying or taking such positions until they have clocked up the necessary experience managing lower level sides, then senior teams followed by intercounty. Too many ex players try and fail - why because they jump straigh into it without getting their grounding or apprenticeship in management/coaching - lets face it, its completely different to playing.
A former Derry player said it to me the other day that its an unbelieveable difference and such an eye opener to be part of a management team now as opposed to playing.
Cavan are better than what they have shown, but need an experienced good man with them. While I dont think dempsey is that good to create an AI winning team, he certainly woul dbring them up a few levels and have them competing for an ulster.
Fermanagh are the template there.
From Lynchboy
Cavan are better than what they have shown, but need an experienced good man with them. While I don't think dempsey is that good to create an AI winning team, he certainly woul dbring them up a few levels and have them competing for an ulster.
Fermanagh are the template
Thats what we want. But can we take the slagging we would get from Longford/Westmeath? Here I mean the fans.
What is like with the players? Would he be able to keep Dermot McCabe interested in playing next year?
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 08, 2008, 12:53:57 PM
From Lynchboy
Cavan are better than what they have shown, but need an experienced good man with them. While I don't think dempsey is that good to create an AI winning team, he certainly woul dbring them up a few levels and have them competing for an ulster.
Fermanagh are the template
Thats what we want. But can we take the slagging we would get from Longford/Westmeath? Here I mean the fans.
What is like with the players? Would he be able to keep Dermot McCabe interested in playing next year?
whats a slagging going to do ? Esp as you are in the ulster championship - this will not really count.
McCabe wont be around forever,so if he comes back , its a bonus - plus I think he could be a bit too much of a dissenter for any new manager to try and integrate - from what I have prev heard. If he toes the line, and puts it in, then he'd be an addition to any county team.
If not, then Cavan have decent young talent that they need to focus on more so than the old guard.
If Cavan want to use an agency to select their manager, good luck to them. Who really cares as long as they get the best man they can for the job. It's not as if their current system has been working a treat the past 10 years.
I suppose we couldn't go any lower than we did by shafting Cassidy and appointing Mr clueless Donal Keoghan. Put on the other hand the county board have a job to do to appoint the right manager. That is one of their core responsibilities. Cavan need a big name, someone that demands respect. Is that type of guy going to apply to a recruitment agency? I doubt it. Then, as tierworker blue says, if it all goes wrong we'll be told that the agency is to blame. This approach means that no one takes ownership of the process of appointing a manager so no one is accountable for it.
Quote from: Armamike on August 08, 2008, 02:35:40 PM
If Cavan want to use an agency to select their manager, good luck to them. Who really cares as long as they get the best man they can for the job. It's not as if their current system has been working a treat the past 10 years.
Exactly my feelings.If this results in Cavan winning Ulster or anything then so be it.Pete McGrath would b a good judge in my book and as Armamike said its not as if the recruitment process has worked for the past 10 years.So why not try something different?
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 08, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
Is that type of guy going to apply to a recruitment agency? I doubt it. Then, as tierworker blue says, if it all goes wrong we'll be told that the agency is to blame. This approach means that no one takes ownership of the process of appointing a manager so no one is accountable for it.
Thats a load of bollix Myles in fairness.Philip Smith and the County Board hav taken a decision to use Sporttracker to help them find a new Senior manager.If we get a bad Manager that wins nothing I know who You and Me and Tierworker Blue and every other Cavan man will blame and it wont b Sporttracker,it will be Philip Smith and the County Board,So dont say that they wont b accountable.They made the decision to go down this path so the buck and the blame stops with them too.
The last 10 years of recruiting Senior managers hasnt worked so why not try something new?Pete McGrath mite know a thing or 2,or even a few suitable candidates?
Quote from: boojangles on August 08, 2008, 05:32:27 PM
Quote from: mylestheslasher on August 08, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
Is that type of guy going to apply to a recruitment agency? I doubt it. Then, as tierworker blue says, if it all goes wrong we'll be told that the agency is to blame. This approach means that no one takes ownership of the process of appointing a manager so no one is accountable for it.
Thats a load of bollix Myles in fairness.Philip Smith and the County Board hav taken a decision to use Sporttracker to help them find a new Senior manager.If we get a bad Manager that wins nothing I know who You and Me and Tierworker Blue and every other Cavan man will blame and it wont b Sporttracker,it will be Philip Smith and the County Board,So dont say that they wont b accountable.They made the decision to go down this path so the buck and the blame stops with them too.
The last 10 years of recruiting Senior managers hasnt worked so why not try something new?Pete McGrath mite know a thing or 2,or even a few suitable candidates?
i think you're slightly misinterpreting the point boojangles...by my logic, we're actually all in agreement.i totally agree with you that obviously the buck stops with the county board and that they are 100% accountable - my point is that by hiring sporttracker, the board are distancing themselves from any potential failures, thus blaming others (as usual!) and having a buffer zone to protect their own reputations (so essentially, it does'nt affect their positions whether it works out or not...in my opinion it should directly affect them when things do not work out, ie P45 for the whole lot of 'em!) Sporttracker have been hired to do a job, and they can only pick from the candidates that come forward...if this does'nt work out it will have nowt to do with them blame wise. i have nothing in the world against trying something new, and please god it works out, but i think it could've been done differently (as i've already rattled on about!)
Personally lads I think it's a moot point. County boards appoint managers year in, year out and when they don't work the manager is dispatched while the people who may have erred in appointing him, remain on to make another selection. They need neither insulation nor buffer zone, they'll just chug on regardless of what happens because necks like a jockey's whatsits is the only buffer they need.
It's all a bit embarrassing, what exactly sporttracker are going to do, that the county board couldn't do themselves, is beyond me. It seems they'll just field the applications online and pass them on to the board who'll sift through them and select their candidates for interview/ratification. They've just added a middleman with sporttracker, the overall process would appear to be the same, only this time the 'advertisement' will encourage a whole lot more people to put their names forward because it now has a raised profile.
Besides the whole X-factor auditions feel about it, I can't see it doing any harm really.
Does it not strike people as odd having Mickey Harte picking the manager he'll be possibly competing against in Ulster next year?
Anyway from looking at the mess that is Cavan football you'd wonder who would want to take it on - even Grimbo left it after a year.
I think the only man for the job is Gerry McCarville
I think the only man for the job is Gerry McCarville
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Im noyt sure all Gaels men would agree with ya there.Like I think any Manager worth his salt at club level could have taken the Gaels to a 3 in a row,but a real good Manager would have won at least an Ulster Club with them.