Lads i came home from the club game today expecting to come in and watch the second half of the Tyrone game or the Dublin game on RTE. Only to see big face dumphy and co slabbering about Croatia and Austria. Yes that was Croatia and Austria. >:( >:( ??? (Before you say it i know the Dublin game was on TV3)
Now RTE make a killing every year of the GAA folk and they should stay loyal to these people. They promoted Soccer today instead of an Irish sport, Gaelic football. The GAA have let soccer and rugby into Croke and have cut their own throats, by marketing other sports. RTE have done the exact same today. What hope has Gaelic games when the national channel won't show quarter finals of leinster and Ulster games. Instead they will choose Croatia and Austria. They will soon not be showing the All Ireland final because azerbaijan are playing uzbekistan in a world cup qualifier.
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 08, 2008, 11:25:33 PM
The GAA have let soccer and rugby into Croke and have cut their own throats, by marketing other sports.
Yes, the €1m or so from each game in Croke Park is terrible. And if we hadn't let them in, then RTÉ wouldn't have showed soccer today - RTÉ didn't even know what soccer was until the GAA marketed it. ::)
Lads I think you're being a bit paranoid. 40,000+ at Pairc Ui Caoimh and more again at Croker. One cannot rest on ones laurels & the GAA must constantly promote its games, but I don't think the GAA were slighted today by RTE not showing a poor Leinster Q/F game. I think it's only a matter of time before people watching Man U get cheesed off with the likes of Ronaldo etc here today, gone tomorrow, but I must kiss the badge in between. ;)
Totally agree Winsamsoon.
The point you other two lads are missing is the fact that RTE choose to broadcast a live soccer game over Gaelic games.
The national television company refusing to show our games is a disgrace. As a Gael i couldn't see any of the games on the television after i came in from my club game. All i could see was soccer, this is completely ludicrous and wouldn't happen in many other countries. I could see the BBC showing the All Ireland final instead of the FA cup.
BBC showed the Tyrone-Down game and TV3 showed the Dublin game. maybe RTE didnt have the rights to show them, what are they supposed to do.
Did they have Cork Vs Tipp or Westmeath Vs Offaly?
BBC only showed the Tyrone game two hours after the game was over. RTE showed no games (including the Westmeath v offaly game on sat night)They showed highlights of the games only on sunday night. So gaelic games took a back seat for soccer and nothing else.
You ask me what i want them to do. I thought this is very obvious from my other posts. Show the gaelic games instead of showing Croatia play Autria which we have no allegiance too or relatively care about. For those that do care about the soccer then fair enough but the gaelic is broadcast every week and always has been so it should not change when the loyal viewers are still watching it.
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 12:16:58 PM
BBC only showed the Tyrone game two hours after the game was over. RTE showed no games (including the Westmeath v Tipp game on sat night)They showed highlights of the games only on sunday night. So gaelic games took a back seat for soccer and nothing else.
RTE2 showed the Cork - Tipp hurling game yesterday afternoon, and as stated before the Dublin - Louth game was shown on TV3.
Jaysus, looks like the game in Cork was marketed too well yesterday!
It doesn't matter whether they showed the Hurling because they usually show it plus a gaelic game at 4 like they are doing next week. This does not take away from the fact that RTE not TV3 choose to show a soccer game between Croatia and Austria before they would show either of the two provincial quarter finals. It's a joke that the national television channel won't show an Irish sport instead they punt for Croatia and Austria. I don't know how you guys can justify this.
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
It doesn't matter whether they showed the Hurling because they usually show it plus a gaelic game at 4 like they are doing next week. This does not take away from the fact that RTE not TV3 choose to show a soccer game between Croatia and Austria before they would show either of the two provincial quarter finals. It's a joke that the national television channel won't show an Irish sport instead they punt for Croatia and Austria. I don't know how you guys can justify this.
Bizarre that someone could have so little knowledge that they'd come up with this nonsense.
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 02:05:55 PM
I don't know how you guys can justify this.
speaking for myself, i dont have even a notion of interest in EuroSoccerThing and would rather see gaelic games but like any TV station RTE's main interest is in viewing figures, and they obviously decided that the soccer would draw a larger crowd than Offaly-Westmeath or Tyrone-Down. But they showed the hurling which was the biggest fixture of the day.
Like it or not there are a huge amount of soccer fans in Ireland who would have an interest in Euro 2008. Even with no Ireland there. It is after all the second biggest international tournament after the World Cup. And like it or not these people deserve to be catered for as much as anyone else.
There was two live GAA games on yesterday and one deferred one so I'm not sure what the complaint is? I don't believe RTE are under any obligation to favour GAA sports over other sports.
Thats it, I'd prefer to see the GAA, but we have to realise theres huge amounts of people around the country that would prefer Euro2008.
That said tonights game should finally be one worth watching.
Instead of just criticising other posts hound why don't you give a reason behind what you are saying. I think this is more constructive than sniping at others.
The GAA as a whole is an organisation that is competing with the likes of soccer and rugby. So whether we like it or not it has become a huge business. I am sitting back and watching over the past number of years the continued dilution of Irish culture and games. Granted the growth of the GAA has been staggering but this is starting to slow and other sports are starting to eclipse the GAA.
RTE doing what they done on sunday in no way helps the GAA. This is an organisation that has remained loyal to them. You say it is about viewing figures. I can guarantee there would have been as many people watching the Down/ Tyrone game as there would have been Croatia and Austria. Plus GAA fans will watch the coverage of the games week in week out, whether it be national league games or championship. RTE will see a steady numbers of gaels viewing the games. These soccer games are only on once in a blue moon at the same time as gaelic games yet they will hang the loyal gaels out to dry for a one off game. It stinks lads and only further isolates the Gaelic community aswell as eroding our culture and promoting foreign games.
Before the renegotiation of the TV rights did we not here about how RTE are the national broadcaster and the GAA should ensure that the national interest is served by giving RTE a preferred package. Oh thats alright until Austria V Croatia is on the box.
You are lifting me up wrongly. I couldn't care if they show soccer all the time. But why do they have to cancel the coverage of the GAA which is a regular slot for the soccer. Sure i can turn round and say GAA people have the right to view all the games after all this is the biggest event of the gaelic sporting year. So that argument can be used both ways.
By all means watch the euro 2008, i actually watch it myself and have the odd punt on it but not at the expense of Gaelic. Oh and by the way there was only one live game on RTE and that was the hurling between Tiip and Cork. The other games were shown as highlights and on different channels.
I cant see why they dont show both. I mean what else is on that time of a sunday on rte 1?
Some poxy auld western or the likes.
Which games were broadcast live online?
Quote from: thejuice on June 09, 2008, 04:22:14 PM
Which games were broadcast live online?
Tyrone v Down was anyway.
I totally agree winsamoon, its not like everyone in Ireland hasn't got BBC and ITV anyway. Tyrone Down game should have been shown live.
Lads come on, its the finals of the second biggest soccer competition and you dont want RTE to show it? all these events are bought years in advance and should be shown. GAA has no right to be shown on RTE and there is a huge demand for these games. I would not be into soccer myself but i will be watching Italy tonight.
You see tankie there you go proof reading posts and lifting them up the complete wrong way. No one is saying not to show the soccer, but it is bitterly unfair not to broadcast a sport that you do any other time just because there is a soccer tournament on. As one poster has suggested they could have shown both. then they could have got the best of both worlds. Instead they completely ignored Gaelic football and broadcast the soccer.
Quote from: Tankie on June 09, 2008, 04:40:45 PM
I would not be into soccer myself but i will be watching Italy tonight.
Is that not the same as saying "I would not be into sequins and heels myself but I will be watching Strictly Come Dancing tonight"? ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 05:11:09 PM
You see tankie there you go proof reading posts and lifting them up the complete wrong way. No one is saying not to show the soccer, but it is bitterly unfair not to broadcast a sport that you do any other time just because there is a soccer tournament on. As one poster has suggested they could have shown both. then they could have got the best of both worlds. Instead they completely ignored Gaelic football and broadcast the soccer.
Sure if they show both you'd get housewives up and down the country complaining that there is sport on both RTE channels at the same time. Until RTE sort out their digital service they are stuck in this regard.
In fairness to them deals are struck to show soccer tournaments like the World cup and Euros years in advance and they stick to them.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 09, 2008, 05:21:08 PM
Sure if they show both you'd get housewives up and down the country complaining that there is sport on both RTE channels at the same time.
Jaysus Galwayboy, the feminists wont like that statement!
You never know the way things are going they could also screen the womens world cup and have the All Ireland final on deffered coverage.
At the risk of sounding sexist, wouldnt a naked womens football tournament be great?
It would have to be played somewhere hot during the rainy season though.
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 05:29:51 PM
You never know the way things are going they could also screen the womens world cup and have the All Ireland final on deffered coverage.
Stop being such a drama queen,3 matches were shown yesterday on different tv stations which i think is more than fair.
How does one distinguish when they are "promoting" something versus simply showing what people want. If the six o'clock news reports on an earthquake in China are they "promoting" earthquakes ?
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 03:57:46 PM
The GAA as a whole is an organisation that is competing with the likes of soccer and rugby. So whether we like it or not it has become a huge business. I am sitting back and watching over the past number of years the continued dilution of Irish culture and games. Granted the growth of the GAA has been staggering but this is starting to slow and other sports are starting to eclipse the GAA.
So one minute it's being diluted and the next minute it's growth has been staggering? And of course it's growth will slow - it can't grow indefinitely on an island of 5m people.
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 03:57:46 PM
RTE doing what they done on sunday in no way helps the GAA. This is an organisation that has remained loyal to them. You say it is about viewing figures. I can guarantee there would have been as many people watching the Down/ Tyrone game as there would have been Croatia and Austria. Plus GAA fans will watch the coverage of the games week in week out, whether it be national league games or championship. RTE will see a steady numbers of gaels viewing the games. These soccer games are only on once in a blue moon at the same time as gaelic games yet they will hang the loyal gaels out to dry for a one off game. It stinks lads and only further isolates the Gaelic community aswell as eroding our culture and promoting foreign games.
RTÉ has more stakeholders than the GAA to satisfy. Any how has the GAA remained loyal to RTÉ? The GAA have used RTÉ to promoter their games and RTÉ have benefited.
Also, GAA fans may watch week-in, week-out, but in limited numbers outside of the summer season - hence the league games on TG4 and not RTÉ 1. If soccer was shown, I'm sure it would get equal viewing figures.
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 04:02:32 PM
Oh and by the way there was only one live game on RTE and that was the hurling between Tiip and Cork. The other games were shown as highlights and on different channels.
Was Dublin v Louth not live on TV3?
Quote from: Rav67 on June 09, 2008, 04:28:15 PM
I totally agree winsamoon, its not like everyone in Ireland hasn't got BBC and ITV anyway. Tyrone Down game should have been shown live.
That's not a valid argument for RTÉ. They have their advertisers to satisfy too - they can't just dismiss lucrative coverage because it's being shown on another channel.
Quote from: his holiness nb on June 09, 2008, 05:31:33 PM
At the risk of sounding sexist, wouldnt a naked womens football tournament be great?
It would have to be played somewhere hot during the rainy season though.
His holiness thats a horrible thing to suggest and you a expectant father!
The idea of women running around naked playing football in the rain is just ludicrous and downright dirty shame on you
I think if that were to happen i would have to go to every single game to protest and i would also have to record every second of every game paying particular attention to the goal celebrations when 11 naked woman would undoubtedly all jump on top of each other on my camcorder so i could use it in my protest campaign
Quote from: winsamsoon on June 09, 2008, 03:57:46 PM
Instead of just criticising other posts hound why don't you give a reason behind what you are saying. I think this is more constructive than sniping at others.
The GAA as a whole is an organisation that is competing with the likes of soccer and rugby. So whether we like it or not it has become a huge business. I am sitting back and watching over the past number of years the continued dilution of Irish culture and games. Granted the growth of the GAA has been staggering but this is starting to slow and other sports are starting to eclipse the GAA.
RTE doing what they done on sunday in no way helps the GAA. This is an organisation that has remained loyal to them. You say it is about viewing figures. I can guarantee there would have been as many people watching the Down/ Tyrone game as there would have been Croatia and Austria. Plus GAA fans will watch the coverage of the games week in week out, whether it be national league games or championship. RTE will see a steady numbers of gaels viewing the games. These soccer games are only on once in a blue moon at the same time as gaelic games yet they will hang the loyal gaels out to dry for a one off game. It stinks lads and only further isolates the Gaelic community aswell as eroding our culture and promoting foreign games.
Its not once in a blue moon.
The major soccer competitions are on in the Championship season every 2 years, thats a predicted clash over 4 or 5 weekends in the middle part of the championship season.
Weekends are big for the Soccer Finals, In the World Cup there are 3 games each Saturday and Sunday.
This has been happening for decades.
Our games will survive.
There are more opportunities now to get the GAA championship games televised than ever before.
So one minute it's being diluted and the next minute it's growth has been staggering? And of course it's growth will slow - it can't grow indefinitely on an island of 5m people.
For starters if you read it correctly i used the word has, which indicates the past. The dillution of culture has led to the decrease in popularity of gaelic games. I have witnessed this first hand in my own town. I have went into a many a bar on St Patrick's day and had to ask bar staff to turn on a small screen in the corner so i could see the ALL Ireland club final and Mc Crory cup. RTE is adding to this growing dillution by not broadcasting one of our national sports.
Once again no one is saying soccer should not be shown. I am only using the soccer as an example simply because it fell on the same day as the games in question. Therefore it is highly relevant to my point. Some of you guys seem to be posting up that the Dublin game was on TV3, i am also well aware of this but the argument is about RTE, not TV3.
RTE in my opinion should be promoting gaelic games as they claim to be the national channel. Gaelic games are nationalistic. If RTE had never shown coverage of the GAA games on sunday there would have been no issue at all. But the fact remains that RTE did show these games on a regular basis and would have showed them again on sunday . They would also have expected the gaels to watch it and of course they would have and should have been able to. The fact remains that a soccer game between Croatia and Austria was shown instead of the gaelic. Instead of them showing the normal gaelic on the other channel they just refused to show any of it (except the hurling) and the rest was shown as highlights.
QuoteThe fact remains that a soccer game between Croatia and Austria was shown instead of the gaelic. Instead of them showing the normal gaelic on the other channel they just refused to show any of it (except the hurling) and the rest was shown as highlights.
I think you're being a bit harsh winsamsoon, I wouldn't be impressed if there were 3 soccer or rugby games shown on a Sunday afternoon (2 of them simultaneously) as I'm not much of a fan of either sport. RTE must also cater for the non-GAA market and the Euro 2008 championship is a sporting occasion of widespread general interest. And if it was RTE's job to promote 'Irish culture' then you should surely be demanding more programmes related to Irish music, dance, literature etc. and again I and many others would not be too happy if our viewing choices were dominated by documentaries about Patrick Kavanagh and re-run's of riverdance.
There are a few other points
Understand that RTE has the contract for the Euros and is obliged to show all the games as per contract.
It is a big contract and good for RTE.
RTE has 2 channels and some people don't watch sport :o
It was the GAA who chose to give out some games to competing broadcasters
Attendance - after participation this is the second biggest indicator of GAA health, Attendance figures were very good this weekend.
This thread is hilarious.
Less than 6 months after the GAA give games to two of their rivals, someone is on expecting RTE to drop the second biggest soccer tournament in the world which will have huge Irish interest for an unspecified game that was already sold to another channel.
You really couldn't make it up! ;D
Quote from: dublinfella on June 10, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
someone is on expecting RTE to drop the second biggest soccer tournament in the world which will have huge Irish interest for an unspecified game that was already sold to another channel.
You really couldn't make it up! ;D
Eh, I dont see many people calling for it to be dropped. Most people are either agreeing that the euros should be shown or else suggesting they should have showed both.
I think his holiness has summed it up there because i really couldn't be bothered repeating myself again. Oh and Dublin fella, in respect of the comments of his holliness i think now the joke is on you :D