ROSCOMMON 1.12... MAYO 1.07........LEITRIM 2.15...SLIGO 2.11
This Ros panel had very little work done in the run up to this.
The team contained quite a few of the 2006 All Ireland Minors plus Senior players who Maughan had discarded such as Frankie Dolan , Brian Higgins, Dunning. A young team overall.
Frankie looked very poor.
Leitrim 2-15 Sligo 2-11 AET
Good game last night - although Sligo didn't look as well prepared as Leitrim. Great performances from Daniel Beck and Ray Cox, while the full back line were excellent. The result was very heartning as it was a completely second string team minus senior panelists and un21 players. Roll on the final against the sheepstealers which is being played as curtain raiser to the Ross Galway Snr game, question for Ross fans was there many of the snr panel involved??
Any word on the Sligo team - who was playing. I heard it was going to be very much second string.
How did Alan Costello perform for Mayo?
So that's the end of Billy Fitz's reign. We have to make do with him on MWR anymore.
Unfortunate to hear that Mayo went down to Ross on Friday night, Anyone have any idea of the team that lined out in the game. Well done to Ross and hope the rest of the championship goes well for him. But it's a weird situation the way it's run with Mayo not being allowed to pick any players who have played senior club championship while other sides in Connacht are allowed to do so. Are Galway in the championship.
Just saw 2 Match reports on the newly revamped ConnachtGAA.ie site.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 03, 2008, 02:02:54 PM
How did Alan Costello perform for Mayo?
Not so bad, a strong bustling kind of player well ableto break through tackles & hard enough to dispossess too. If memory serves me correctly, it was him who blazed over the first half penalty. He was active enough with plenty of movement, but his point shooting let him down a little overall.
QuoteJust saw 2 Match reports on the newly revamped ConnachtGAA.ie site.
Fine site. Strange resemblance to Leitrim gaa site!! ;-)
Thanks for the reply spectator.
That Connacht GAA website is a huge improvement. Hope they keep it going.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 03, 2008, 07:51:47 PM
So that's the end of Billy Fitz's reign. We have to make do with him on MWR anymore.
After about 445 years as team manager. It seems the sole purpose of Mayo entering a junior team is as of some sort of favour to Billy Fitz. The whole thing is a joke - picks his team from the same few clubs with numerous junior and intermediate clubs in the county never having had a player given a chance at junior grade under his stewardship. I'd say there are clubs in the county that the guy has never heard of never mind decent club players ...... and as for his analysis on the radio - there was a recent example in the U-21 semi versus Kerry ... he made a comment in the first half along the lines of "ah Mike, Mayo midfield are well on top today". About 1 minute later Seamus Parsons got on the ball and made a burst forward .... Billys comment along the lines of "well Mike, thats the first time we have seen either Tom Parsons or Seamus o'Shea get on the ball today"
And the stupid thing, Mayo have won a couple of junior All-Irelands with him in charge - to give him even 1% of credit would be a stretch though.
Ya kudos to the connaght gaa website. Good reports from the games. Disppointed with the sligo result, probably should of won it in normal time but man sent off swung the game in leitrims favour. Best of luck to them in the final. Sean flannery scoring 2-5 is quite notably and bodes well for our seniors.
If I had a choice of what game to win against leitrim this weekend it definitly would of been the minor game last night though so not too disappointed.
As far as I know the new connacht site is developed by Brendan Doyle who is involved in IT for connacht and is also our PRO in Leitrim. I believe that the site layout will change over time but the current format should suffice as it's based on the LEitrim one which gets huge praise and deservedly so.
Content is everything and I just hope that the new site continues and doesn't fade.
Quote from: blast05 on May 06, 2008, 12:26:47 PM
After about 445 years as team manager. It seems the sole purpose of Mayo entering a junior team is as of some sort of favour to Billy Fitz. The whole thing is a joke - picks his team from the same few clubs with numerous junior and intermediate clubs in the county never having had a player given a chance at junior grade under his stewardship. I'd say there are clubs in the county that the guy has never heard of never mind decent club players ...... and as for his analysis on the radio - there was a recent example in the U-21 semi versus Kerry ... he made a comment in the first half along the lines of "ah Mike, Mayo midfield are well on top today". About 1 minute later Seamus Parsons got on the ball and made a burst forward .... Billys comment along the lines of "well Mike, thats the first time we have seen either Tom Parsons or Seamus o'Shea get on the ball today"
And the stupid thing, Mayo have won a couple of junior All-Irelands with him in charge - to give him even 1% of credit would be a stretch though.
Have to pull you up there Blast. There's probably no trials for the junior team, but that's more of a county board problem than the fault of Billy Fitzpatrick. The man keeps coming back for more, even when it is the case that a lot of players don't believe playing at this level is worth their while. He's had problems too with Maughan not releasing players in the past. If we want to do well at Junior level, it needs to be run almost in tandem with the senior squad as a development squad (I know its not always possible because of the grading Mayo have to comply with). At the minute not enough people take it serious enough.
Regarding the players that are picked if we look at the team that lined out the last day
Mayo
F Ruddy; O Feeney, S Barrett, P Earley; D Costello (0-1), C Cafferkey, D Kilkenny; P Collins, P Barrett; D Corrigan, C Carty (0-4), P Doherty; A Costello (0-1), R Hannick (1-0), P Casey.
Subs used: M Conroy for P Barrett; C Boyle for D Corrigan; D Dempsey for C Boyle (inj); V Callaghan for C Cafferkey; P O'Connor (0-1) for M Conroy (inj).
We can see there's a serious spread of clubs, from Senior (Ballintubber), Intermediate (Cill Chomain, Belmullet, Aghamore, Kilmaine, Davitts, Bonniconlon, Swinford) and Junior (Islandeady, Carramore, Achill, Balla, Killala, The Neale). That's fourteen clubs, don't think he can be accused of not spreading the net wide enough.
Regarding his radio analysis I think its fairly decent. Everyone makes mistakes.
Quote from: blast05 on May 06, 2008, 12:26:47 PM
["ah Mike, Mayo midfield are well on top today". About 1 minute later Seamus Parsons got on the ball and made a burst forward .... Billys comment along the lines of "well Mike, thats the first time we have seen either Tom Parsons or Seamus o'Shea get on the ball today"
Even you, can't say I've ever heard of this player. But by and large Billy's a good man to call a game
Could ye Mayo lads ever move on to the Senior championship and leave us and our lovely Laythrum neighbours to get on with this Connacht Final.
I hear it's on at 2 pm Sunday 18th May as a curtain raiser to the Ros/Galway Senior game.
I fear we may be losing three or four at least of the players who bet Mayo ( ;D ;D ;D) bet Mayo ;D ;D so it's hard to know what to make of the Final.
Hopefully we'll go all out for it as it might be our only hope of a Connacht Title this year seeing as our U21s were sabotaged by the the Tanman's dog track training.
Yes, 14 clubs R&GSniper. Whats your point ? mostly made up of failed seniors which is the easy selection. Why not go out there and see what talent is available. I've played with and against dozens of players outside senior football in Mayo who should have been given a few games - players who more often than not rightly weren't considered good enough at minor or U-21 level but went on in the following couple of years to be top class club footballers who would have killed for an opportunity to wear the county jersey.
If its a case that the county board won't pay travelling expenses or whatever for trials and challenge matches, then Billy Fitz should quit the job as it means he can't do it as it should be done .... unless of course its nothing more than a nice little yearly hobby for him that guarantees him a few column inches every year thus keeping his name in the public domain and keeps him in his job at MWR FM.
Oh, and Seamus Parsons, ok a typo - you know what i mean though
I know there are a lot of players out there who haven't represented Mayo at minor or Under 21 and would love to play Junior. I just think most of them are senior club footballers.
If we look at the Mayo team that played the last day you do have a few guys who just haven't made it at senior level - Ruddy, Cafferkey, Costello, Hannick, Casey, Conroy but these still have a lot to offer at this level and it would be foolhardy not to select them imo.
Plus you've lads in like Seamie and Paddy Barrett from Belmullet, Paul Earley from Ballintubber, David Kilkenny and Cathal Carty from Aghamore,Donal Corrigan from Achill etc being rewarded for good performances last year at club level.
There's only so much room in the team. Perhaps trials would unearth a few more but you could be sure that you'd barely have
enough to make two teams, if even that. Stories of only six lads turning up to Mayo Junior training aren't uncommon like.
I'm not sure who else is out there that we don't know about. Maybe I could come up with a few if I sat down to think about it. You obviously have a few names in mind, who are they?
Quote from: blast05 on May 07, 2008, 09:02:52 PM
I've played with and against dozens of players outside senior football in Mayo who should have been given a few games - players who more often than not rightly weren't considered good enough at minor or U-21 level but went on in the following couple of years to be top class club footballers who would have killed for an opportunity to wear the county jersey.
blast05 can you please name these players that you are talking about? Sounds like you were jilted at junior level at some stage.
I'm not going through the process of listing out players from a pile of different clubs from the last 15 years. What value is there in giving the name of a guy who for example left a junior club in north Mayo (feeling he had spent all his good years with the club without ever been given the chance to wear the county jersey at any grade) to give senior club football in Dublin a shot for 1 or 2 years and made the Dublin blue stars team during his first season up there ... you won't recgonise the name anyway.
You either accept what i say based on years of posting rational reasoned comment (i think) on here re Mayo GAA debates or you don't. It doesn't bother me either way ..... and i was never jilted (again, choose to believe that or not)
i see where blast is coming from . i could see it in our own club over the years lads who didn't play senior championship for the club but who were available to play junior and who were serioulsy good footballers, that never got a chance to play for or even go for trials for the mayo juniors. Did the juniors even hold trials or how is the selecting process?
Quote from: the Deel Rover on May 08, 2008, 11:30:02 AM
i see where blast is coming from . i could see it in our own club over the years lads who didn't play senior championship for the club but who were available to play junior and who were serioulsy good footballers, that never got a chance to play for or even go for trials for the mayo juniors. Did the juniors even hold trials or how is the selecting process?
Beat me too it Deel - exact same for our club over the years. Think Suitcase may have played in goals for a while but that was the height of it. A good many young lads that were capable of playing at that level were never looked at, and drifted away from the game - I think I can understand why they'd be giving the jersey to lads from Junior clubs over people from successful Senior clubs who get more than enough glory for themselves and their better players can be household names etc. But there were lots of players I played against from Ballycastle, Kilfian, Lacken etc. in the North Mayo Junior Winter leagus in the mid 90's that would have been good enough and they never got a look in or a trial at junior IC level
who is suitcase Stephenite ? i know al lot of the ballina lads but never heard this nickname
Quote from: stephenite on May 08, 2008, 11:39:06 AM
the North Mayo Junior Winter leagus
The North mayo winter leagues were great crack won one with keenagh back in 1992 i think, great day final down in moygownagh pouring f**king rain and f**king cold so cold i couldn't grip a pint right till nearly 3 hours after the match ;) it was like winning the Ai few pints in Mitchells pub and then back to The Dolphin and god rest Michael Walsh to fill the cup and bejesus was that cup filled :D
Quote from: blast05 on May 08, 2008, 11:22:36 AM
I'm not going through the process of listing out players from a pile of different clubs from the last 15 years. What value is there in giving the name of a guy who for example left a junior club in north Mayo (feeling he had spent all his good years with the club without ever been given the chance to wear the county jersey at any grade) to give senior club football in Dublin a shot for 1 or 2 years and made the Dublin blue stars team during his first season up there ... you won't recgonise the name anyway.
You either accept what i say based on years of posting rational reasoned comment (i think) on here re Mayo GAA debates or you don't. It doesn't bother me either way ..... and i was never jilted (again, choose to believe that or not)
I'm not doubting you, just asking you for names to feed my own curiousity. Speaking of which, who is the player in question?
I've no doubt there's a lot of decent junior club footballers in north Mayo but they tend to kinda get stuck in the abyss up there in that so few of them are successful. The North Mayo senior championship team from a few years ago was a strong side, I remember David Finnerty from Moygownagh and some O'Boyle fella from Kilfian were decent players.
Since then though those players have had to fade back into Junior obscurity.
Maybe trials should be run but I'd be sceptical as to the genuine level of interest
Quote from: stephenite on May 08, 2008, 11:39:06 AM
Beat me too it Deel - exact same for our club over the years. Think Suitcase may have played in goals for a while but that was the height of it. A good many young lads that were capable of playing at that level were never looked at, and drifted away from the game - I think I can understand why they'd be giving the jersey to lads from Junior clubs over people from successful Senior clubs who get more than enough glory for themselves and their better players can be household names etc. But there were lots of players I played against from Ballycastle, Kilfian, Lacken etc. in the North Mayo Junior Winter leagus in the mid 90's that would have been good enough and they never got a look in or a trial at junior IC level
Not sure what ye mean here lads? Are ye suggesting players that haven't played senior club for Ballina or Cross would be good enough to play county junior? In fairness anyone on the Mayo junior team at the minute would be capable of making any club team in the county.
Or are ye suggesting that lads like Stephen Hughes, Martin Wynne, Gabriel Walsh, Enda Lavelle etc should be considered? They can't though, because of the grading. If you played inter-county or club senior championship the year before, you are not eligible for the Mayo Juniors. In 'weaker' counties it is only playing for the county senior team that rules you out.
Mayo would have some team if they were able to pick from senior clubs as well
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 09, 2008, 03:44:10 AM
Maybe trials should be run but I'd be sceptical as to the genuine level of interest
Take it from someone who has played all his club football at junior level - there would be a justifiable level of interest in such trials.
As one of the posters here put it, there are lads out there who would love nothing more than the opportunity of putting on a county jersey and they are deserving of every opportunity to fulfill that ambition imho.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 09, 2008, 03:44:10 AM
Not sure what ye mean here lads? Are ye suggesting players that haven't played senior club for Ballina or Cross would be good enough to play county junior?
Absolutely Red and Green i have played football all my life with cross and and in fairness to the senior team it can be / was hard to break into the team. i know for a lot of years all of the starting 15 had played for mayo at minor under 21 or senior level, there were a lot of good footballers playing at junior level . look at the year we won the junior championship surely one or 2 of those lads playing were good enough for a place on the county junior squad after all we were county junior champions ? I guarantee you that if they were called to junior trials they would definately turn up.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 09, 2008, 03:44:10 AM
I remember David Finnerty from Moygownagh
David Finnerty from Moygownagh played for Mayo juniors.
I'm still waiting for this myriad of players over the years that have not been given a fair crack at junior. With any county team you will have players that feel they are being over looked.
It's one thing playing well at North Mayo Junior winter league level ::) another stepping up to intermediate club never mind county junior. Get a grip lads.
Looking at the Mayo team that lined out last weekend I challenge anyone to list another player in a given position that is better than the one selected.
i was talking about winter league 13 years ago stonewall ffs , however as i said in my previous post we were county champions 2 years ago and no one was on the county junior panel
Quote from: the Deel Rover on May 09, 2008, 11:30:55 AM
however as i said in my previous post we were county champions 2 years ago and no one was on the county junior panel
Again the silence is deafening in regard to name of these wonderful players that should have been on the county junior side. What players did you have in mind?
Quote from: StoneWall on May 09, 2008, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on May 09, 2008, 11:30:55 AM
however as i said in my previous post we were county champions 2 years ago and no one was on the county junior panel
Again the silence is deafening in regard to name of these wonderful players that should have been on the county junior side. What players did you have in mind?
What difference is it me naming players do you know every player that has played fron Crossmolina in the juniors or any other club for that matter, If you that interested get a programme from the junior county football final 2 years ago and it will have a list of players who played then. yoou must be involved with the mayo junior set up because you definatley don't want a change to the current system ;).
Not involved with the Mayo junior setup but it amazes me how people have the blinkers on when it comes to their own players and not getting recognition with a county setup.
There seems to be a North Mayo chip on the shoulder here that players from clubs not getting a fair crack. Numerous players from the area have had reps on the junior setup over the years...Lahardane, Ballycastle, Lacken, Moygownagh, Glenamoy, Killala, Belmullet.
No chip on my shoulder thanks be to god just my opinion . All i said was that i have seen a lot of good footballers both in my own club and in other clubs who i think would be well fit for playing for mayo junior footballers and that haven't been called up for the squad . Can you tell me how the sytem operates at the moment for e.g ? How did Billy Fitz pick the panels in the past ?
I assume the system operates the same as with the senior side in that the management watch club football and call players into panel based on form etc. You better ask Billy Fitz how he picked panels in the past.
The only trials ever I recall at senior level were under Mickey Moran and four divisional teams playing each other. Personally I don't think they are a very reliable guide as each player is only out for themselves. The various divisional boards used to have fun trying to get players to play for the side when they were allowed into the senior championship.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on May 09, 2008, 11:09:09 AM
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on May 09, 2008, 03:44:10 AM
Not sure what ye mean here lads? Are ye suggesting players that haven't played senior club for Ballina or Cross would be good enough to play county junior?
Absolutely Red and Green i have played football all my life with cross and and in fairness to the senior team it can be / was hard to break into the team. i know for a lot of years all of the starting 15 had played for mayo at minor under 21 or senior level, there were a lot of good footballers playing at junior level . look at the year we won the junior championship surely one or 2 of those lads playing were good enough for a place on the county junior squad after all we were county junior champions ? I guarantee you that if they were called to junior trials they would definately turn up.
I saw yer Junior team play that year in the final against Killala and while it was a good team I think it was down to the fact that it was a well rounded and balanced team, not a team with three or four excellent individuals imho. Michael Gallagher played well that day but don't think he's of the standard, same with Padraig Syron.
I'm sure you'd get some lads to turn up but StoneWall makes a good point about the divisional teams from a few years ago. That was disbanded because of poor levels of interest (maybe North Mayo was an exception).
The Mickey Moran trials saw a lot of lads who were asked to attend not bother turning up either.
Ah jasus Mayoites will ye get over it.Ye're not back in action till next May. Now please let us and Laythrum get on with our Connacht Final - Ros's second CF of 2008 by the way :D
A small ray of light for Rossies yesterday. They won the Connacht Junior Title beating Leitrim in the curtain raiser after extra time. I think it finished 2-10 to 0-13.