Its on like Donkey Kong. Discuss.
Anything but a Meath win - just to avoid the mess of play-offs...... Unless Westmeath beat Monaghan - then please let's have a Meath win. :P
If Meath win, is it not head to head performances in the actual league? Meath would be promoted on that basis..
Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 13, 2008, 10:29:35 PM
If Meath win, is it not head to head performances in the actual league? Meath would be promoted on that basis..
No - play-offs.
I'd love a couple of games against the Dubs. Sure we're like oul pals at this stage. ;)
*****delete thread please, kind Moderator*****
maybe this would be better in the existing thread
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=7470.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=7470.0)
Never saw it, :-[
Well our chances of getting to the final are slim to none, but a chance to deny the Dubs a final spot is very appealing.
Been looking forward to this game since february and despite the GAA denying me the chance of being there on what was my birthday yesterday by shunting the fixtures back a week hasnt dampened my spirits.
So where to begin with this one, Meath havent impressed at all yet a glimmer of a place in the final still exists. its not going to happen but still mathematically possible. Dublin have ploughed through most of the competition but last week came assunder to an impressive Armagh side.
Some of our injured troops are back and will hopefully be 100% for next weekend. But still the form guide points to a Dublin win.
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
Well our chances of getting to the final are slim to none, but a chance to deny the Dubs a final spot is very appealing.
That makes no sense given the chances of Meath getting to the final and the chances of Dublin not getting to the final are equal.
If Meath prevent Dublin making the final, there are only two scenarios. Meath are in the final - or there is a three way playoff between Dublin, Meath and WM or Mon.
Quote from: Hound on April 14, 2008, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
Well our chances of getting to the final are slim to none, but a chance to deny the Dubs a final spot is very appealing.
That makes no sense given the chances of Meath getting to the final and the chances of Dublin not getting to the final are equal.
If Meath prevent Dublin making the final, there are only two scenarios. Meath are in the final - or there is a three way playoff between Dublin, Meath and WM or Mon.
Was of the thinking that we needed to beat Dublin by 20+ points to get in, since nether of us played Cork.
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2008, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 14, 2008, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
Well our chances of getting to the final are slim to none, but a chance to deny the Dubs a final spot is very appealing.
That makes no sense given the chances of Meath getting to the final and the chances of Dublin not getting to the final are equal.
If Meath prevent Dublin making the final, there are only two scenarios. Meath are in the final - or there is a three way playoff between Dublin, Meath and WM or Mon.
Was of the thinking that we needed to beat Dublin by 20+ points to get in, since nether of us played Cork.
I think it's around the 10 point margin as you will increase your points difference by 10 points and decrease de Dubs by 10, giving a 20 point turnaround...
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2008, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 14, 2008, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
Well our chances of getting to the final are slim to none, but a chance to deny the Dubs a final spot is very appealing.
That makes no sense given the chances of Meath getting to the final and the chances of Dublin not getting to the final are equal.
If Meath prevent Dublin making the final, there are only two scenarios. Meath are in the final - or there is a three way playoff between Dublin, Meath and WM or Mon.
Was of the thinking that we needed to beat Dublin by 20+ points to get in, since nether of us played Cork.
Well thats hardly "a chance to deny the Dubs a final spot" !
Perhaps I'm being a bit pedantic! But if Meath do enough to stop Dublin making the final, then its very likely they will have done enough to make the final themselves, so your priorities looked mixed up.
In any event its 11 points, not 20, that Meath need to win by the make the final. Although if anyone else finishes on 9 points (i.e. Mon if they lose or WM if they draw), then the points diff goes out the window.
Scoring difference has no bearing I thought. ???
Quote from: Jinxy on April 14, 2008, 02:24:06 PM
Scoring difference has no bearing I thought. ???
If it's just yourselves and de Dubs tied on 9 points then scoring difference comes into play as both of yous didn't play Cork...
Quote from: Hound on April 14, 2008, 02:17:44 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2008, 02:07:05 PM
Quote from: Hound on April 14, 2008, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: thejuice on April 14, 2008, 12:58:38 PM
Well our chances of getting to the final are slim to none, but a chance to deny the Dubs a final spot is very appealing.
That makes no sense given the chances of Meath getting to the final and the chances of Dublin not getting to the final are equal.
If Meath prevent Dublin making the final, there are only two scenarios. Meath are in the final - or there is a three way playoff between Dublin, Meath and WM or Mon.
Was of the thinking that we needed to beat Dublin by 20+ points to get in, since nether of us played Cork.
Well thats hardly "a chance to deny the Dubs a final spot" !
Perhaps I'm being a bit pedantic! But if Meath do enough to stop Dublin making the final, then its very likely they will have done enough to make the final themselves, so your priorities looked mixed up.
In any event its 11 points, not 20, that Meath need to win by the make the final. Although if anyone else finishes on 9 points (i.e. Mon if they lose or WM if they draw), then the points diff goes out the window.
your probably right, im tired
I believe Fennell played very well up in Crossmaglen. What are the odds himself and Whelo will be the championship midfield pairing? With Shane Ryan as a roving wing forward. Other than Brogan I believe Dublin have a full hand to pick from for this one, unlike ourselves as there are still a few lads carrying injuries. Dunno if Moyles will be fit. It would be nice to have Farrell and O'Rourke back too. Looking forward to a good hard game.
Jaysus, if I started a thread about the Dubs arriving late for matches they'd all be in here defending their honour. Try and have a football discussion and they're nowhere to be found. Typical Dubs. There must be soccer on the telly. :o
Cormac McGuinness has opted out of the Meath panel following in the footsteps of Niall McLoughlin and Charles McCarthy, a bit early in the year dont ye think for dropping out.
I reckon a full strenght forward line for us against what was from what I've read a suspect Dublin defence could be what swings this one for us. Midfield will be interesting, the Armagh game aside we havent really dominated from what I gather.
Never good to see lads opting out but I'd be lying if I said the squad had been weakened as a result.
Didnt realise Charles McCarthy had opted out. Don't think I've ever seen him play well, but then I've only seen him on a handful of occassions and some said he had potential. I suppose he has plenty of time to make a comeback, and concentrating on club football for a while might be a good thing.
Pillar normally names the team on a Tuesday night, but no sign of it in the papers I've read or on hill16.ie, so it looks like he's deferred it – not a surprise after the Armagh debacle.
The forwards should be easy enough. Bring back the lads who played v Ros, with Jason in for ABrogan, so that'd be:
BBrogan Sherlock McMenamin
Connolly Keaney Quinn
I think Shane is carrying a knock, and Whelan needs a start anyway, so Whelan-Fennell should be midfield.
I haven't got a clue who'll be in the half back line. Any 3 from Casey, Cahill, Cullen, Brennan, Andrews, Moran, Flynn, Ryan, Murray. I'm not sure if O'Shaughnessy is also carrying a knock, but if fit he should be in one corner, Henry perhaps in the other. Presumably he'll stick with Ross McConnell at full back – but if he has any doubts, now's probably the last chance to try something else.
Quote from: Hound on April 16, 2008, 08:19:49 AM
Didnt realise Charles McCarthy had opted out. Don't think I've ever seen him play well, but then I've only seen him on a handful of occassions and some said he had potential. I suppose he has plenty of time to make a comeback, and concentrating on club football for a while might be a good thing.
Pillar normally names the team on a Tuesday night, but no sign of it in the papers I've read or on hill16.ie, so it looks like he's deferred it – not a surprise after the Armagh debacle.
He's delayed naming the team cos Brennan, Ryan, Whelan & O'Shaughnessy are all carrying knocks.
From the Meath ChronicleQuoteWith injury doubts surrounding Anthony Moyles and Brian Farrell, Meath also have concerns about Cian ward, Peadar Byrne and Graham Geraghty.
Ward limped out of the action in the victory over Armagh a fortnight ago while Geraghty and Byrne sustained knocks while on club duty last week.
Meath will also be without the inspirational influence of selector Dudley Farrell who winged his way to Chicago during the week on a seven-day coaching trip. The Chicago Co Board will host Farrell who has mixed feelings about missing the big game against Dublin.
:( Lot looking good for us injury wise either
Lord save us. Coyler and Tumbles might need to bring their togs with them.
"inspirational influence of selector Dudley Farrell"
The aul chronicle aren't shy are they?
and he has "mixed feelings" about getting a free, all expenses paid, trip to Chicago for a week! ;D ;D ;D
Any chance we could talk about the match? For what it's worth, I think Dublin aren't up to much and we'll win by at least 4 points (having scored 2 goals).
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2008, 02:02:58 PM
Any chance we could talk about the match? For what it's worth, I think Dublin aren't up to much and we'll win by at least 4 points (having scored 2 goals).
Your feeling confident. While I think we are in with a shout, Dublin have been better than us all through the league except for last weeks slump. But Meath-Dublin games usually take a life of their own, you never know.........
No Alan Brogan, dodgy full back line, Vaughan running around like a headless chicken etc. If it wasn't for the number of injuries we have I'd put the house on a Meath win.
Edit: I don't actually subscribe to the above view and it has failed miserably in drawing any Dubs out of the woodwork so I am now abandoning ship. We are decimated with injuries, Dublin by 5. >:(
Heard it's already on the parnell park dublin dresing room already jinxy. rumour has it that mark vaughan has been seen jogging around blackrock listening to the eye of the tiger wearing a t-shirt inscribed "who's a headless chicken now jinxy". Ciaran Whelan has been seen wearing a baliffs outfit with a special pair of white gloves inscribed -"we're coming for your gaf jinxy" WE don't do getting beaten in parnell and sunday will be no different. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on April 17, 2008, 09:34:53 AM
Heard it's already on the parnell park dublin dresing room already jinxy. rumour has it that mark vaughan has been seen jogging around blackrock listening to the eye of the tiger wearing a t-shirt inscribed "who's a headless chicken now jinxy". Ciaran Whelan has been seen wearing a baliffs outfit with a special pair of white gloves inscribed -"we're coming for your gaf jinxy" WE don't do getting beaten in parnell and sunday will be no different. ;D ;D ;D
Like a headless chicken....
Quote from: Jinxy on April 16, 2008, 02:26:37 PM
No Alan Brogan, dodgy full back line, Vaughan running around like a headless chicken etc. If it wasn't for the number of injuries we have I'd put the house on a Meath win.
Edit: I don't actually subscribe to the above view and it has failed miserably in drawing any Dubs out of the woodwork so I am now abandoning ship. We are decimated with injuries, Dublin by 5. >:(
It made it on to Res Dubs, predictably they fell for it hook, line and sinker
Ah, the ResDubs. The gas thing is most of them would probably agree with me (even though they'd never admit it). The little scamps. ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on April 17, 2008, 12:20:59 PM
Ah, the ResDubs. The gas thing is most of them would probably agree with me (even though they'd never admit it). The little scamps. ;D
Some man Jinxy, giving out on here when no-one replies to you and laughing at the lads on resdubs who do! ;)
Dubs by 3, Vaughan to play well and score the first goal.
Jinxy to be shocked and horrfied, ala Vaughans last game V Meath ;)
Hope the referee is well versed in the square ball rule and doesn't disallow any perfectly good goals by either side.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 17, 2008, 07:34:30 PM
Hope the referee is well versed in the square ball rule and doesn't disallow any perfectly good goals by either side.
Sure Colm O'Rourke is well versed in how to go through someone and have the goal stand - get him to have a quiet word with GG, on how to foul your man and have the goal stand.
Sure failing that and in the unlikely event of GG or any of the other forwards boxing their man twice after the ball is gone, you'll have Keyser talking it down in the Indo.
Dublin team v Meath: Cluxton,Henry, McConnell, Andrews, Moran,Cullen,Brennan, Fennell, Whelan, McManamon,Quinn, Flynn, Sherlock,Keaney,B Brogan
Is Ryan injured?
Ryan and O'Shaughnessy considered not fit enough to start. Whether they'll be on the bench or not, I'm not sure. Disappointed Diarmuid Connolly isnt starting, but this team confirms that Caffrey will stick with playing only 5 forwards for the year.
hard to say- depends on what team meath will put out. it's an experimental line-out in certain areas of the pitch. looks like connolly will be impact sub at best in the summer despite being the most gifted forward in the county. caffrey just doesn't trust him. think it's a bit of a strange line-up to be honest for this game- it'll be interesting to see wht way it lines out.
Meath - B Murphy; N McKeigue, D Fay, S McAnarney; S Kenny, C King, E Harrington; N Crawford, M Ward; G Reilly, G Geraghty, P Byrne; S Bray, J Sheridan, C Ward.
We are lacking a bit of pace in that full forward line. Big Joe on McConnell should be an interesting tussle. Not sure if King is accountable enough for centre back but I'm glad to see him given a run there.
We're getting closer to last year's championship team with every game. This seems to indicate that we haven't found any potential championship talent in the course of the league. It seems all we've done is lost some depth from the bench with the departure of McCarthy, McLoughlin and McGuinness. It's particularly disappointing that we seem to be approaching the championship without having done anything to fix up our midfield. In fact, losing McCarthy is a move in the opposite direction, if anything.
It's hard to see what's going to be different, never mind better, this year than last year. What do you think lads?
i think you'll beat us on sunday jinxy- that's a hell of agood forward line on sunday. i think our selection is experimental to be honest and i don't see us winning in keeping with our gneral attitude towards the league.
Its what I would call a good "league" forward line. If the pitch is a bit heavy, and conditions aren't great it's made for the likes of big Joe and Cian Ward. But come championship I honestly don't think we could afford to have the 2 of them playing in the same line. Too slow.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 11:48:58 AM
Its what I would call a good "league" forward line. If the pitch is a bit heavy, and conditions aren't great it's made for the likes of big Joe and Cian Ward. But come championship I honestly don't think we could afford to have the 2 of them playing in the same line. Too slow.
I was just gonna ask you about Cian Ward - he didn't have much of an impact in the rest of championship after the first Dublin game.
Is he as good as Colm O'Rourke makes out?
Extremely accurate from play and placed balls but pace and workrate are his weaknesses. A bit like Joe in that he always seem to be carrying a bit more weight than an intercounty player should be.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 11:48:58 AM
Its what I would call a good "league" forward line. If the pitch is a bit heavy, and conditions aren't great it's made for the likes of big Joe and Cian Ward. But come championship I honestly don't think we could afford to have the 2 of them playing in the same line. Too slow.
Having seen him in championship action for his club i reckon Ward has as much pace and more ability from open play than Vaughan
he just has to get a consistent run in the championship due to his lazy approach he has not been able to find his feet
I'd certainly agree that he contributes more from general play than Vaughan does.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 12:34:57 PM
I'd certainly agree that he contributes more from general play than Vaughan does.
For his club or county?
Maybe it tells a tale about the two counties
vaughan is overhyped i dublin and Ward is hounded for being a lazy genius in meath
if ward was from dublin he would be overhyped and vaughan viceversa!
i'd say both
Quote from: heffo on April 18, 2008, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 12:34:57 PM
I'd certainly agree that he contributes more from general play than Vaughan does.
For his club or county?
For both. However at senior county level he hasn't had a massive amount of games, but as a minor and u-21 he was very good from open play.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 12:46:18 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 18, 2008, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 12:34:57 PM
I'd certainly agree that he contributes more from general play than Vaughan does.
For his club or county?
For both. However at senior county level he hasn't had a massive amount of games, but as a minor and u-21 he was very good from open play.
Have you seen much of Vaughan at Minor/U21 and Club level?
Vaughan would not start for meath, Dublin are short on natural forwards and he find himself in the side
he'd suffer the same fate as Ward wouldn't be allowed find his feet at senior level!
Quote from: heffo on April 18, 2008, 12:47:57 PM
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Quote from: heffo on April 18, 2008, 12:38:19 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 12:34:57 PM
I'd certainly agree that he contributes more from general play than Vaughan does.
For his club or county?
For both. However at senior county level he hasn't had a massive amount of games, but as a minor and u-21 he was very good from open play.
Have you seen much of Vaughan at Minor/U21 and Club level?
I saw him at minor and u-21 a few times plus I saw him a good bit in the club championship when Crokes went on their run (2005?) and he always struck me as being a very unnatural gaelic footballer. He still is. Plus he gets sent off quite a bit.
Vaughan and Ward are quite similar in that they dont do a huge amount from play and are used for their free taking ability.
The difference is that Ward was great from frees for half a game last year, Vaughan was consistantly good all through the championship last year.
Both can do something special occasionally from play, but not nearly often enough.
Luckily for Dublin they have enough forwards well able to score from play to accomodate Vaughan. I dont think Meath have.
How is Vaughans free-taking lately?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 01:17:31 PM
How is Vaughans free-taking lately?
Pretty poor, but taking frees in the bad conditions at this time of year is a very diffent story to during the summer in Croke Park.
Like last year, he does it when it really counts.
It was always going to be hard for Ward last year after his miraculous cameo in the first Dublin game. He's just out of u-21 so it was hard for him to keep his feet on the ground. Plus our forward line last year was very strong so he didn't get much of a chance to play his way back into the side after a poor game in the replay. What he needs now is competitive game time. With Farrell missing he is our only other reliable free-taking option. I think he will step up this season.
I've seen enough of Ward in club football to be confident he has a bright future ahead of him in intercounty football if he knuckles down.
Sorry if you've already discussed this but will there be tickets for sale at the ground on Sunday?
Is it at 2.30 at Parnell Park?
I think someone said any leftovers will be on sale outside the ground.
Quote from: Fuzzman on April 18, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
Sorry if you've already discussed this but will there be tickets for sale at the ground on Sunday?
Is it at 2.30 at Parnell Park?
2.30 it is - as it stands, there wont be any tickets available on Sunday, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few floating around.
I might have one or two spare, so if anyone is stuck, send me a pm on Saturday evening/Sunday morning..
Cheers Lads
I'm quite happy Brogan isn't available for this one. Defenders hate pace. Keaney, Quinn and Jayo are not exactly the paciest customers around so I don't think our backs will be caught for speed.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 18, 2008, 03:35:34 PM
I'm quite happy Brogan isn't available for this one. Defenders hate pace. Keaney, Quinn and Jayo are not exactly the paciest customers around so I don't think our backs will be caught for speed.
Brogan always plays well against Meath too, seems to raise his game. Will be missed.
Just a comment on the vaughan/Ward debate. I would agree that they are similar players but Ward is far better from play than vaughan. Ward's problem is winning ball, once he has it, he can create something out of nothing. Also, Ward can actually go by his man, something which i've never seen Vaughan do. I'd say vaughan would be a slightly more reliable free taker. I think Ward should be played at centre forward, a sticky corner back is nightmare for Ward but a loose centre back, he could destroy.
Yeah, centre forward might be worth a go. He can roam around and get involved in the play. I'm hoping that the King experiment works so it will free up Moyles to move into midfield with Ward. If Cian could do a job at 11 as well that would be ideal. I dunno if he has the engine for it though. You don't need speed to be a good centre forward but you need to be able to get around the pitch and work like a dog.
He was very good there against Roscommon Jinxy, he was moved away from there imo becuase Moyles didnt play well centre back, they couldnt drop Moyles so they moved him to cf and Ward to the corner. What king Experiment? I missed the last few games, him playin CB is it? Couple of years back i thought he was the bluechip centre back but recently not so sure, maybe if he got more vocal, he needs to organise people around him.
Yeah I mean King playing centre back.
was reading RTé's preview of this game, i like this quote the most
QuoteDiscipline will be hugely important, as this fixture invariably throws up one or two scuffles.
they gave the Dubs the nod though,
I hope the Dubs leave their angry pants at home for this one. Has the makings of a very enjoyable game.
I have a spare unreserved stand ticket - if anyone need one, pm me..
Just read in the Meath post that Cormac McGuinness has walked way from the Meath panel due to lack of opportunities.
Only 21.
What do the meathmen think, much of a loss?
You never like to see anyone leaving the panel but it's obvious he had dropped down the pecking order. Wouldn't have been in my championship XV anyway.
five players sent off allready.typical dub v meath clash ;)
yeah
3 dubs and two for Meath.
Meath havn't scored after 27 mins. This whole division is turning into a farce.
3 points to one for Dublin after 29 mins.
can you listen to this online anywhere?
yeah try http://dublincityfm.ie/about/
Dubs starting to score a few now
Also on LMFM.ie.
"Dreadful performance by Meath", they say.
12-5 Now.
"Shambolic", say LMFM.
0-12 to 1-5 now. "a spectacular goal by Joe Sheridan", but too late.
Another goal for Meath. one point in it, 5 minutes to go. Could we have another comeback, however shambolic?
Equaliser by Peadar Byrne. A draw is no good, though. Need another point.
Matty Kerrigan - "Meath have only played 3 minutes of football and scored 2-1".
Easy free for Dublin, Vaughan coming in to take it as Quinn goes off.
Vaughan gets the point. Dublin one up.
About two minutes left, plus added time.
0-13 to 2-6
Three minutes added.
Another scorable free for Dublin.
Missed
It's over. Dublin by a point. And Monaghan lost to Westmeath.
Who all sent off? Was it just a mass brawl?
26 man brawl after 5 minutes 2 sent off from each side. game ruined at that point. Whelan then hit someone in front of the ref and deservedly walked about 10 minutes later. Then some feckin idiot meath supporter threw something at him as he walked off the pitch. and there was nearly another punch up in the stand between fans- i won't defend whelan but that sort of shite from fans is equally not acceptable.
A very disappointing game of football overall. We were poor to average, meath were just shite. Fennell, flynn and connolly were best for dublin ably assisted by the likes of cullen ,moran and brennan -full back lline was solid too. Have to factor in how bad meath were though- i've been watching them for 20 years that's the worst i've seen them- we were a little better but not much.
Russell has to be the worst ref in the country -lost control after 5 minutes and i imagine every player must have been ticked or booked by the end.- no consistency as usual.
All in all a typical div 2 game played by 2 teams who won't win Sam. In keeping with the rest of the teams in div 2. There is now too many incidents involving dublin and someone on the mangement end of things would want to get a grip All in all a forgettable afternoon.
Was Caffrey rowing with someone in the crowd? Some example he sets.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2008, 06:03:00 PM
26 man brawl after 5 minutes 2 sent off from each side. game ruined at that point. Whelan then hit someone in front of the ref and deservedly walked about 10 minutes later. Then some feckin idiot meath supporter threw something at him as he walked off the pitch. and there was nearly another punch up in the stand between fans- i won't defend whelan but that sort of shite from fans is equally not acceptable.
A very disappointing game of football overall. We were poor to average, meath were just shite. Fennell, flynn and connolly were best for dublin ably assisted by the likes of cullen ,moran and brennan -full back lline was solid too. Have to factor in how bad meath were though- i've been watching them for 20 years that's the worst i've seen them- we were a little better but not much.
Russell has to be the worst ref in the country -lost control after 5 minutes and i imagine every player must have been ticked or booked by the end.- no consistency as usual.
All in all a typical div 2 game played by 2 teams who won't win Sam. In keeping with the rest of the teams in div 2. There is now too many incidents involving dublin and someone on the mangement end of things would want to get a grip All in all a forgettable afternoon.
Just heard the match report .My first thought was that the sending offs may have been the result multiple yellows (which are easy to pick up in the league ) but only 5 minutes for an all in brawl to start . The Gaa will have to investigate this match now as we are in for some summer if this shite is allowed to continue . At least you are honest enough to acknowledge the Dublin management have sort out their approach and attitude to the game .
is is on sunday sport tonight??
Quote from: ExiledGael on April 20, 2008, 06:06:37 PM
Was Caffrey rowing with someone in the crowd? Some example he sets.
How do you know what example he sets if a) You weren't at the game and b) you don't even know whether he was 'rowing' with someone in the crowd.
He wasn't rowing with anyone, he was pointing out the gentleman from Meath who threw a cup of coffee at Whelan, to the guards.
Did the Meath Fan get fecked out of the ground ?.
Just back. Jesus you'd swear there were lads attacking each other with knives there were that many sent off. To send 4 men off within a couple of minutes completely destroyed the game. Pointless analysing it any further. Neither team can draw anything worthwhile from it other than Joe Sheridan is too slow for intercounty football and Ciaran Whelan likes throwing punches (which we already knew). Thanks a bunch Paddy Russell. >:(
in fairness jinxy i saw a lot of handbags but i also saw some serious digs thrown. i wouldn't blame russell for sending 4 off - but i would comment on his general lack of consistency in applying the rules of the game in general. neither team were interested much in football today.
Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2008, 06:25:26 PM
Quote from: ExiledGael on April 20, 2008, 06:06:37 PM
Was Caffrey rowing with someone in the crowd? Some example he sets.
How do you know what example he sets if a) You weren't at the game and b) you don't even know whether he was 'rowing' with someone in the crowd.
He wasn't rowing with anyone, he was pointing out the gentleman from Meath who threw a cup of coffee at Whelan, to the guards.
Think it's quite obvious Caffrey doesn't set a great example discilpine wise. But that's fair enough to point out the sc**bag who threw that. Seen a lot of photos of the incident and didn't know how it started. Can see the GAA making a real example of this, as it's Dublin the papers are going to go overboard and a big reaction will be called for.
Quite funny Caffrey saying during the week that Dublin are not dirty. Is that six players in three games now?
Quote from: hardstation on April 20, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 20, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
Just back. Jesus you'd swear there were lads attacking each other with knives there were that many sent off. To send 4 men off within a couple of minutes completely destroyed the game. Pointless analysing it any further. Neither team can draw anything worthwhile from it other than Joe Sheridan is too slow for intercounty football and Ciaran Whelan likes throwing punches (which we already knew). Thanks a bunch Paddy Russell. >:(
Did they deserve to walk? Did they strike/attempt to strike another player?
Fair enough, pick one man from either side but 2? No one required treatment for any injuries suffered as a result of this "brawl" as far as I could see. Whelo threw a slap but I dunno what happened in the lead up to that. People will think when they read the report that it was absolute mayhem. Russell should have sent off one from either side and handed out a few yellows and let the game settle down. Instead it degenerated into a mess. When was the last time this happened in a competitive intercounty match?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 20, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
Just back. Jesus you'd swear there were lads attacking each other with knives there were that many sent off. To send 4 men off within a couple of minutes completely destroyed the game. Pointless analysing it any further. Neither team can draw anything worthwhile from it other than Joe Sheridan is too slow for intercounty football and Ciaran Whelan likes throwing punches (which we already knew). Thanks a bunch Paddy Russell. >:(
There were plenty of punches thrown on both sides - don't know how he picked out Andrews & McAnerney - the other two were throwing haymakers to beat the band.
WRT Whelan incident (And I'll retract this if Sunday sport shows otherwise), but it seemed to me that Whelan got clocked and Russell didn't see it (Peader Byrne I think) he then slapped more than punched and seemed to make little contact - if I'm proved wrong by replays, I'll accept it. Madness by Whelan either way getting dragged down to their level though.
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Quote from: Jinxy on April 20, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
Just back. Jesus you'd swear there were lads attacking each other with knives there were that many sent off. To send 4 men off within a couple of minutes completely destroyed the game. Pointless analysing it any further. Neither team can draw anything worthwhile from it other than Joe Sheridan is too slow for intercounty football and Ciaran Whelan likes throwing punches (which we already knew). Thanks a bunch Paddy Russell. >:(
Did they deserve to walk? Did they strike/attempt to strike another player?
Russell should have sent off one from either side and handed out a few yellows and let the game settle down. Instead it degenerated into a mess.
I'd agree with that
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WRT Whelan incident (And I'll retract this if Sunday sport shows otherwise), but it seemed to me that Whelan got clocked and Russell didn't see it (Peader Byrne I think) he then slapped more than punched and seemed to make little contact - if I'm proved wrong by replays, I'll accept it. Madness by Whelan either way getting dragged down to their level though.
A strike or attempted strike is a red card offence so what are you complaining about?
When your players get involved in a brawl there's no point yapping when rules are applied.
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Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2008, 06:53:05 PM
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Quote from: hardstation on April 20, 2008, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 20, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
Just back. Jesus you'd swear there were lads attacking each other with knives there were that many sent off. To send 4 men off within a couple of minutes completely destroyed the game. Pointless analysing it any further. Neither team can draw anything worthwhile from it other than Joe Sheridan is too slow for intercounty football and Ciaran Whelan likes throwing punches (which we already knew). Thanks a bunch Paddy Russell. >:(
Did they deserve to walk? Did they strike/attempt to strike another player?
Russell should have sent off one from either side and handed out a few yellows and let the game settle down. Instead it degenerated into a mess.
I'd agree with that
Why? Was there two players who deserved red cards for striking/attempting to strike and a couple of others who just pushed and/or shouted abuse at each other? Or did they all strike/attempt to strike and yous are just sugar-coating the dirt that your teams displayed today?
Stop talking out your arse HS it was the standard schemozzle. Most Refs would of dished out a couple of yellows and said "cop the f**k on will yous" next player will walk or if they where following the letter of the law sent off 6 + players for each side . Sending 4 off ruined the game and was over the top.
Whelo definitely deserved to walk . Russell seemed to lighten up in the second half .Anyone see Flynn getting floored in the second half and the Meath lad only got a yellow . Going by the standard in the first half 2/3 should of went in the second half
I'll have to watch the replay but I didn't see McKeigue throwing a punch.
LMFM (more than once) described it as a "vicious row". But, based on long experience of media mis-reporting, I'd believe eye-witnesses here more readily than I'd believe the lads on the wireless.
What would worry me most is that (based on what Matty Kerrigan said) the whole thing seemed to put Meath completely off their stride and to a much greater extent than Dublin.
I still haven't found out who was sent off - I missed the first half of the commentary. Can anyone help?
Quote from: pintsofguinness on April 20, 2008, 06:56:18 PM
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WRT Whelan incident (And I'll retract this if Sunday sport shows otherwise), but it seemed to me that Whelan got clocked and Russell didn't see it (Peader Byrne I think) he then slapped more than punched and seemed to make little contact - if I'm proved wrong by replays, I'll accept it. Madness by Whelan either way getting dragged down to their level though.
A strike or attempted strike is a red card offence so what are you complaining about?
When your players get involved in a brawl there's no point yapping when rules are applied.
I've no need to be educated about the rules of the game from you.
I was 'complaining' about Whelan seemingly getting clocked before he turned around and responded and the Meath player who clocked him getting ticked later in the game and then getting a yellow for taking Moran out of it.
Regardless, Fennell, Flynn & Ryan are more than capable of filling the two modfield spots this summer.
QuoteMadness by Whelan either way getting dragged down to their level though.
He seems to get dragged down to "their" level quite a lot.
Poor Whelo. He should just replace those ridiculous soccer keeper's gloves with a pair of 10 oz boxing gloves and be done with it.
Sure 2/3 of Meaths FB line were gone after 4 minutes? I dunno why anyone would bother trying to analyse this game sensibly. The one thing I will say, Fennell is well worth his place in that Dublin team (ahead of King Whelo I might add). Dublin were well worth their win, but it was like watching the kids having a kick around in the back garden. Lively in patches but ultimately meaningless.
QuoteI've no need to be educated about the rules of the game from you.
I was 'complaining' about Whelan seemingly getting clocked before he turned around and responded and the Meath player who clocked him getting ticked later in the game and then getting a yellow for taking Moran out of it.
So the ref didn't see it? That's just tough luck! And lets face it Whelan has got away with more than his fair share of thumps, you've a brass neck to complain about this.
Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2008, 06:52:06 PMMadness by Whelan either way getting dragged down to their level
That's one of the funniest comments here in a good while.
For my part I'd like to point out that I watched the match as part of a group of Meath fans in the midst of a larger group of Dublin fans and there wasn't a cross word exchanged for the entire game. There was a few heads shaking in absolute disbelief though. It was comical stuff.
Haha,
Poor Whelo gettingdragged down - you are some craic heffo
whelan was clocked by peadar byrne- i was very close to it. But it doesn't excuse him - he's 33 and needs to show a bit more cop on at this stage. Fennelll was lucky as well he clocked byrne in the second half and byrne was lucky not to walk too in the second half for a dig thrown as well. Really was a mess
mc keigue and mc anarney were sent off for meath, andrews,b brogan and whelan for dublin. i don't think coyle gave a monkeys either way - he never really made any changes until the last 10 minutes. The meath lads sitting in front of me were grand- we all agreed that neither team will win sam , the ref was dire and it was one of the worst games of football we'd ever been at.
I think Dudley Farrells input was badly missed today.
First of all I partly agree with Jinxy that the better option would have been to send 1 form each side off and diuxh out about 4 yellows to each team. I wouldnt blame Russlell for sending 2 off however, he was within his rights to do that. Notwithstanding that, Russell had poor game in my opinion and missed a lot on both sides.
I was just up in the stand from Whelan and I did not see him being hit. It all happened quite quick. A Dublin player ran straight into and blocked Kenny and then Whelan got involved in the afters. Crawford was also involved (not Peader Byrne). Whelan was not hit. He had to go. Things were getting very heated at that stage in the stand. I go to many games and am probably too mild mannered for my good own but I seriously felt like throwing something at him. Though hot liquids should never ever be thrown and may now be banned from pitchside. But I would say to Heffo that was defending him - Whelan is an utter sc**bag and you are better off without him. He has been getting involved in the nasty stuff for quite a while now. This game could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Pillar as he will have to do without Whelan for 1 month (or possibly 2??) There seems to be better option that him in Dublin- he is one of the few players in the country that cannot be dragged to a lower level!!
Regarding the rest of the game, Dublin were way better for most of the time except brief spells that Meath battled to get a lot of the breaking ball. Dublin had a better game plan, weree stronger in the tackle and were more adept at getting into scoring positions. Dublin backs fouled less than Meaths albeit helped a little by a whistle happy ref. Overall no complaints regarding the result - Dublin should have won by about 5.
Regarding Meath , I would agree with the earlier comments that Joe Sheridan is too slow for inter-ciounty. this is a shame because he is one of the few forward we have that is abloe to score a goal in a one on one with the keeper. He dropped the ball a lot and is not great at getting the droppingball ahead of the full back. I have to say also that, after being at most of Meath's games this year, I am very disappointed with Stephen Bray. Not anything like he was last year and has been for O'Mahonys. He missed passed at the end of a great move midway through the second half when he could have put Sheridan into a similar position to which he scored. Ward was anonomous in the second half also but did not get great service and has been pretty decent in other games. We have problems in several positions. If Farrell and O' Rourke return that should bolster the attack. Midfield are hit and miss. We are very inconsistent in defence, loose at times and unnecessary frees, dropped balls and poor passing is causing us badly. Plenty to work on in their training week abroad that is coming up.
One last point, I thought that the Dublin players had learned from last year when the goading of the opposition did them no good. Tomas Quinn was at it a bit today and was goading one of the Meath players after he had scored towards the end. The Dubs are actually a potentially very good team but need all the peripheral crap like this and the marches to the hill taken out and concentrate on only the game for the full 70 minutes. I am not sure if Pillar can get that into them. If they do concentrate on just the football and become more disciplined, I would say that they could go a long way and, contrary to what others are saying, are potential dark horses for Sam.
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The team have showed true fighting qualities this year, wth the backroom team not afraid to out their "headbutt" in as well.
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Quote from: agorm on April 20, 2008, 08:43:01 PM
Whelan is an utter sc**bag
That's a disgraceful and libellous comment.
Quote from: agorm on April 20, 2008, 08:43:01 PM
First of all I partly agree with Jinxy that the better option would have been to send 1 form each side off and diuxh out about 4 yellows to each team. I wouldnt blame Russlell for sending 2 off however, he was within his rights to do that. Notwithstanding that, Russell had poor game in my opinion and missed a lot on both sides.
I was just up in the stand from Whelan and I did not see him being hit. It all happened quite quick and it looked as if he ran straight into and blocked (Kenny I think) and then immediately struck out during the reaction. He had to go. Things were getting very heated at that stage in the stand. I go to many games and am probably too mild mannered for my good own but I seriously felt like throwing something at him. Though hot liquids should never ever be thrown and may now be banned from pitchside. But I would say to Heffo that was defending him - Whelan is an utter sc**bag and you are better off without him. This game could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Pillar as he will have to do without Whelan for 1 month (or possibly 2??) There seems to be better option that him in Dublin- he is one of the few players in the country that cannot be dragged to a lower level!!
Regarding the rest of the game, Dublin were way better for most of the time except brief spells that Meath battled to get a lot of the breaking ball. Dublin had a better game plan, weree stronger in the tackle and were more adept at getting into scoring positions. Dublin backs fouled less than Meaths albeit helped a little by a whistle happy ref. Overall no complaints regarding the result - Dublin should have won by about 5.
Regarding Meath , I would agree with the earlier comments that Joe Sheridan is too slow for inter-ciounty. this is a shame because he is one of the few forward we have that is abloe to score a goal in a one on one with the keeper. He dropped the ball a lot and is not great at getting the droppingball ahead of the full back. I have to say also that, after being at most of Meath's games this year, I am very disappointed with Stephen Bray. Not anything like he was last year and has been for O'Mahonys. He missed passed at the end of a great move midway through the second half when he could have put Sheridan into a similar position to which he scored. Ward was anonomous in the second half also but did not get great service and has been pretty decent in other games. We have problems in several positions. If Farrell and O' Rourke return that should bolster the attack. Midfield are hit and miss. We are very inconsistent in defence, loose at times and unnecessary frees, dropped balls and poor passing is causing us badly. Plenty to work on in their training week abroad that is coming up.
Calling a player a sc**bag null and voids and other wise good post and makes you seem moronic .
Whelan done nothing more than anyone else (note i am not condoning him and the tv footage i just seen seems to indicate a punch was thrown at him). So is every player on the pitch today a sc**bag and in fact a vast quantity of other county players?
Quote from: agorm on April 20, 2008, 08:43:01 PM
probably too mild mannered for my good own but I seriously felt like throwing something at him.
Are you for real?
Every team needs to learn how to play as a team and sometimes it needs a game like this to do it. The Dubs learned a lesson today and it will do us the power of good later in the championship. Not pretty to watch but it will do the job in the long run.
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Quote from: agorm on April 20, 2008, 08:43:01 PM
probably too mild mannered for my good own but I seriously felt like throwing something at him.
Are you for real?
absolutely. I am sure if you go to many games but to say that anyone drags Whelan to their level shows that you dont know much about his history.
Quote from: Sky Blue on April 20, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
Every team needs to learn how to play as a team and sometimes it needs a game like this to do it. The Dubs learned a lesson today and it will do us the power of good later in the championship. Not pretty to watch but it will do the job in the long run.
I actually agree and added above that with discipline Dublin can be a very good team and could well challenge for Sam. Not sure if Pillar can get that discipline into them. Also that game will also be hugely important in that it shows that Whelan is not your best option at midfield. How many times has he been involved in serious incidents in recent years?
The game will also help Meath as this and the Cork game last year shows that this is the level of physicality that is needed to win games. That Meath team needed a few hard games. Our problem is that we dont have enough talent in several areas of the field.
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Quote from: heffo on April 20, 2008, 09:00:14 PM
Quote from: agorm on April 20, 2008, 08:43:01 PM
probably too mild mannered for my good own but I seriously felt like throwing something at him.
Are you for real?
I am sure if you go to many games but to say that anyone drags Whelan to their level shows that you dont know much about his history.
I would say that I've seen 90% of the games that Whelan has played for Dublin over the last 12 years and would say I know far more about his history than you.
In 12 years of playing midfield for Dublin and being targeted a lot, there have probably been 5/6 incidents that receive far more coverage than they warrant.
He deserved to be sent off, tv seems to clarify that he was hit and he responded. For you to claim that you felt like throwing something at him, says all I need to know about you.
Two teams made for each other, neither up to much, not even able to hit in a sneaky way like kerry.
Any 'fan' who would condone or encourage throwing things onto the pitch is nothing short of... well I don't think i need to spell it out. What goes on on the pitch between players is one thing - that can be dealt with through the game's disciplinary procedures. Anyone getting involved from the crowd should be identified, arrested, charged and banned from GAA grounds.
As for Whelan's indiscipline, to be honest, i've seen worse! I'm not sure it wasn't just his massive gloves taking on a life of their own.
Also unsure as to how the ref picked out 4 culprits out of that bit of handbags - he could have sent off far more, so not too sure how he made his choice. Will be interesting to see if the ref's decision results in any suspensions impacting on the Championship.
just watched the schmozzle on rte news
with the benefit of skyplus i was able to slow it down and watch it
a couple of points
darren fay came flyin across to shoulder the dublin 12 and only succeded in knocking down his number 2 - that was quite funny
on a more serious note - the meath goalie came flyin out his goal and shoulderd a dublin lad as hard a slap in the back as your likely to see - it was worse than bernard jackmans against wales at croke park - very very cowardly.
the dublin chap couldve been seriously hurt by that. if video evidence is to be used for this match, then he will definately get it
The tosser that pegged the cupa tay should be identified and banned from GAA activities for a year. Hopefully he can be identified.
Brogan deffo deserved to walk after running a mile to throttle a Meath lad. Hard to comment on the rest without a frame-by-frame analysis.
Whelan - dunno. Could have been one of the best but when the chips are down he is found lacking. He deserved to walk. End of story. That sorta incident happened probably 40 other times around the country today.
scandalous comments agorm. If you're condoning crowd violence towards players which you seem to be - then we may as well fold the tents up and pack it up. I'd advise you to re-read the post and edit where appropriate. Whelan may be a clown at times but a sc**bag is stretching it- he deserved to walk- no complaints but my definition of a sc**bag is a coward in the crowd throwing stuff from a distance at a player. should be fecked out of the association- he was escorted out by the guards- good enough for him.
i agree with some fo the above- i'm tired of all this shite surrounding the dublin team- it's time for caffrey to start acting like a manager and rein things in - because this is not going to land us the big one.
As a matter of interest, when was the last time Whelo was put off in competitive action?
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 20, 2008, 09:40:07 PM
on a more serious note - the meath goalie came flyin out his goal and shoulderd a dublin lad as hard a slap in the back as your likely to see - it was
Seen that as well hoof. That was dangerous as fcuk.
Suprised no one else has mentioned it.
As cowardly as you would see - deserves to be banned by video, although if they look at the video there could be a few more suspended.
Whelan was just being Whelan - a bully who cant do anything when the pressure is on - but the Meath lad dropped as though he was taken out by a sniper from the back of the stand :o
Its pretty obvious from the TV that Dublin started the whole thing.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 20, 2008, 10:02:31 PM
As a matter of interest, when was the last time Whelo was put off in competitive action?
i dont ever remember him being put off. i think thats why people have such a problem with him - the fact tht he gets away with it.
im only going by what i saw on tv but meath goalie should have walked, so should darren fay, he got involved two or three different times. a dublin player (might have been 22) seemed to be the third man in and thats when it all kicked off. btw he didnt even seem to be too handy once the row actually got going.
thought ref did ok out of it. he can only see so much and at the end of the day he had to be careful about not ruining the game. it all happens so fast he probably only sentoff those he was sure he saw striking.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 20, 2008, 09:40:18 PM
Whelan - dunno. Could have been one of the best but when the chips are down he is found lacking. He deserved to walk. End of story. That sorta incident happened probably 40 other times around the country today.
Probably one of the more sensible things said about a bad day at the office for football.
It was a game between the 2 teams most associated with being happy to get violent if thats whats required to get a reult. Meath have cleaned their act up since Boylan's departure but under Caffery, violence almost seems to be condoned/encouraged from the manager & backroom team. Helpfully the media seem to ignore/accept it as being part of the Dublin/Pillar psyche.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2008, 09:44:05 PM
scandalous comments agorm. If you're condoning crowd violence towards players which you seem to be - then we may as well fold the tents up and pack it up. I'd advise you to re-read the post and edit where appropriate. Whelan may be a clown at times but a sc**bag is stretching it- he deserved to walk- no complaints but my definition of a sc**bag is a coward in the crowd throwing stuff from a distance at a player. should be fecked out of the association- he was escorted out by the guards- good enough for him.
i agree with some fo the above- i'm tired of all this shite surrounding the dublin team- it's time for caffrey to start acting like a manager and rein things in - because this is not going to land us the big one.
I am not condoning violence and I didnt say that, I just said that I felt the same way myself though I didnt mean hot tea!!- that isnt condoning it. Obviously it is wrong to throw anything - hot liquids much more so and I think that people sholuld not be allowed bring hot liquids out into the stands in future.
Louth Exile, thats a good point about our reliance on GG. In the first half he seemed to be the only one that could get on the ball around midfield and pick out a teammate or drive forward into attack. I couldn't understand why he was being played so deep in defence especially when we had a spare man. Bray ended up around the 40 when he should have been much closer to goal. It's easy to be a hurler on the ditch but when you have a spare man you don't negate this advantage by driving balls from your half back line. You carry it forward to draw men in and create overlaps in order to get a man into space to shoot. When Meath actually did this towards the end of the 1st half and the end of the 2nd half, thats when we got all our scores.
The book needs to be thrown at Dublin. No point pontificating about the Aussies when the Dubs are at it on a regular basis, especially in the NFL.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2008, 09:44:05 PM
scandalous comments agorm. If you're condoning crowd violence towards players which you seem to be - then we may as well fold the tents up and pack it up. I'd advise you to re-read the post and edit where appropriate. Whelan may be a clown at times but a sc**bag is stretching it- he deserved to walk- no complaints but my definition of a sc**bag is a coward in the crowd throwing stuff from a distance at a player. should be fecked out of the association- he was escorted out by the guards- good enough for him.
i agree with some fo the above- i'm tired of all this shite surrounding the dublin team- it's time for caffrey to start acting like a manager and rein things in - because this is not going to land us the big one.
I am not condoning violence and I didnt say that, I just said that I felt the same way myself though I didnt mean hot tea!!- that isnt condoning it. Obviously it is wrong to throw anything - hot liquids much more so and I think that people sholuld not be allowed bring hot liquids out into the stands in future. Hot dinks should be banned from the stands full stop.
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 20, 2008, 10:53:12 PM
It was a game between the 2 teams most associated with being happy to get violent if thats whats required to get a reult. Meath have cleaned their act up since Boylan's departure but under Caffery, violence almost seems to be condoned/encouraged from the manager & backroom team. Helpfully the media seem to ignore/accept it as being part of the Dublin/Pillar psyche.
12 years on. Time to let go. ::)
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 20, 2008, 10:53:12 PM
It was a game between the 2 teams most associated with being happy to get violent if thats whats required to get a reult. Meath have cleaned their act up since Boylan's departure but under Caffery, violence almost seems to be condoned/encouraged from the manager & backroom team. Helpfully the media seem to ignore/accept it as being part of the Dublin/Pillar psyche.
Not like the Tyrone Choir boys who won the AI . ::)
Quote from: Gnevin on April 20, 2008, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 20, 2008, 10:53:12 PM
It was a game between the 2 teams most associated with being happy to get violent if thats whats required to get a reult. Meath have cleaned their act up since Boylan's departure but under Caffery, violence almost seems to be condoned/encouraged from the manager & backroom team. Helpfully the media seem to ignore/accept it as being part of the Dublin/Pillar psyche.
Not like the Tyrone Choir boys who won the AI . ::)
FFS, Tyrone were a lot of things, diving b4stards etc etc, but they very rarely relied on dirt to win
course not ryan mc menamin was a paradigm of virtue. isn't delusion awonderful a thing.
As regards dublin v louth - i just don't think louth have enough to beat dublin. dublin have a few more options than last year. Connolly as i've said before is the most naturally talented dublin player since keaveney- if he keeps hte head right and that's a big if. Fennell has really come good as well. I don;t think there is much in leinster dublin will fear. i just think kerry are on adifferent level to everyone else and ultimately it's thiers to lose.
Quote from: full back on April 20, 2008, 11:20:28 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on April 20, 2008, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 20, 2008, 10:53:12 PM
It was a game between the 2 teams most associated with being happy to get violent if thats whats required to get a reult. Meath have cleaned their act up since Boylan's departure but under Caffery, violence almost seems to be condoned/encouraged from the manager & backroom team. Helpfully the media seem to ignore/accept it as being part of the Dublin/Pillar psyche.
Not like the Tyrone Choir boys who won the AI . ::)
FFS, Tyrone were a lot of things, diving b4stards etc etc, but they very rarely relied on dirt to win
Define dirt ?
In my opinion of the entire league campaign, Vaughan's second tackle V Monaghan was the only dirty tackle , Whelan was border line. Missed what brogan did up in Armagh. Today was an all in where Russell had flash backs of Omagh 05 and over reacted
What about Tyrone V Armagh battles during 03,04,05 they wouldn't pass the a Daz challenge .
Quote from: Gnevin on April 20, 2008, 11:27:46 PM
What about Tyrone V Armagh battles during 03,04,05 they wouldn't pass the a Daz challenge .
State one example.
let me see the battle of croke park with canavan and mc keever in the lead roles- ricey jumping knee first down on some armagh player. etc etc etc glasshouses and all that.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
let me see the battle of croke park with canavan and mc keever in the lead roles- ricey jumping knee first down on some armagh player. etc etc etc glasshouses and all that.
What he said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3H93Xc5pT0
This is all just saying hello to each other
Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
let me see the battle of croke park
:D
Catch a f**king grip of yourself
Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
let me see the battle of croke park with canavan and mc keever in the lead roles- ricey jumping knee first down on some armagh player. etc etc etc glasshouses and all that.
Oh, would that be the game where all red cards were overturned?
So, where was the dirt in the Canavan/McKeever game?
Ok - how can a Dublin v Meath game suddenly involve the greatest GAA teams ever since GAA was invented in 2002.
Stay on topic or else I may digress myself - and that won't bear hostages.
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:43:30 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2008, 11:36:07 PM
let me see the battle of croke park with canavan and mc keever in the lead roles- ricey jumping knee first down on some armagh player. etc etc etc glasshouses and all that.
Oh, would that be the game where all red cards were overturned?
So, where was the dirt in the Canavan/McKeever game?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3H93Xc5pT0
Hand bags here , Hand bags in the nell today
well unfortunately o neill we can't afford fergal logan ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on April 20, 2008, 11:45:25 PM
Ok - how can a Dublin v Meath game suddenly involve the greatest GAA teams ever since GAA was invented in 2002.
Stay on topic or else I may digress myself - and that won't bear hostages.
Exactly. Some of the northern boys are the "3rd man in" in this thread. Straight reds all round for blatant sly digs!
So, gnevin - the daz challenge is now handbags. Make up your mind.
As I stated, the GAA must act on Dublin if they're serious about discipline. Throw them out of the championship.
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:50:41 PM
So, gnevin - the daz challenge is now handbags. Make up your mind.
As I stated, the GAA must act on Dublin if they're serious about discipline. Throw them out of the championship.
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Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:50:41 PM
So, gnevin - the daz challenge is now handbags. Make up your mind.
As I stated, the GAA must act on Dublin if they're serious about discipline. Throw them out of the championship.
I agree. It's the only way they'll learn.
Quote from: Over the Bar on April 20, 2008, 10:53:12 PM
It was a game between the 2 teams most associated with being happy to get violent if thats whats required to get a reult. Meath have cleaned their act up since Boylan's departure but under Caffery, violence almost seems to be condoned/encouraged from the manager & backroom team. Helpfully the media seem to ignore/accept it as being part of the Dublin/Pillar psyche.
I've been saying this for a while now - I couldn't understand Pillar's reappointment - this Dublin team are better than this - they don't need to resort to violence but their manager and his backroom team actively advocates / encourages violence as a means to an end - I honestly think this is
Custers Pillar's last stand this year. Could they get rid of him now ??
The team are a bit like the fans
Fans turn up late, get game delayed
Players think they can box their way to an AI
As for the "Battle Of Croke Park" , very few punches thrown there gnevin
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:50:41 PM
So, gnevin - the daz challenge is now handbags. Make up your mind.
As I stated, the GAA must act on Dublin if they're serious about discipline. Throw them out of the championship.
Absolutely - put them out and let them box away with whoever they like - but keep it out of the NFL / Championship ! ;D
Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2008, 11:27:01 PM
course not ryan mc menamin was a paradigm of virtue. isn't delusion awonderful a thing.
As regards dublin v louth - i just don't think louth have enough to beat dublin. dublin have a few more options than last year. Connolly as i've said before is the most naturally talented dublin player since keaveney- if he keeps hte head right and that's a big if. Fennell has really come good as well. I don;t think there is much in leinster dublin will fear. i just think kerry are on adifferent level to everyone else and ultimately it's thiers to lose.
If you're ever in Clones Indiana, i suggest the PARAGON for a quick pint. ;)
Pillar as the head man sums up their ethos as a county. Full of bluster and attitute but fairly shit.
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:59:46 PM
Pillar as the head man sums up their ethos as a county. Full of bluster and attitute but fairly shit.
I'd say the Dublin executive will be looking forward to Pillar's departure at this stage - he has heaped such embarassment on the county at this stage ! The problem is that he never seems to learn. What is he on ????
Quote from: full back on April 20, 2008, 11:55:21 PM
The team are a bit like the fans
Fans turn up late, get game delayed
Players think they can box their way to an AI
As for the "Battle Of Croke Park" , very few punches thrown there gnevin
;D Classic, where do you cowboys leave the horses?
Quote from: Gnevin on April 21, 2008, 12:04:53 AM
Quote from: full back on April 20, 2008, 11:55:21 PM
The team are a bit like the fans
Fans turn up late, get game delayed
Players think they can box their way to an AI
As for the "Battle Of Croke Park" , very few punches thrown there gnevin
;D Classic, where do you cowboys leave the horses?
Come on Gnevin - I know it's late but you can do better than that !
Next year, we're getting the riot police in to Omagh so that we won't get the heads beat off us like last time !! ;) ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D
Quote from: orangeman on April 21, 2008, 12:06:58 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on April 21, 2008, 12:04:53 AM
Quote from: full back on April 20, 2008, 11:55:21 PM
The team are a bit like the fans
Fans turn up late, get game delayed
Players think they can box their way to an AI
As for the "Battle Of Croke Park" , very few punches thrown there gnevin
;D Classic, where do you cowboys leave the horses?
Come on Gnevin - I know it's late but you can do better than that !
Next year, we're getting the riot police in to Omagh so that we won't get the heads beat off us like last time !! ;) ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D
You heard it here first ,yet a other historic gaa moment
PSNI to police first GAA game! ;)
You have to admit it gnevin
The Dubs think they are a law onto themselves
Pillar as the head man sums up their ethos as a county. Full of bluster and attitute but fairly shit.
true o neill a bit like mickey harte when he's trying to sell ahouse. ;D ;D ;D ;D
i'm getting tired of it as well- we will be lambasted in the papers again- and it's an unhealthy distraction in my view.
Quote from: full back on April 21, 2008, 12:13:23 AM
You have to admit it gnevin
The Dubs think they are a law onto themselves
Too right sure don't we fund the vast majority of the association. And sure when your the main bread winner some laws can bend . ;)
Quote from: full back on April 21, 2008, 12:13:23 AM
You have to admit it gnevin
The Dubs think they are a law onto themselves
I have to disagree. Dubs have no concept of law/rules. Think of Redmond in 95. However, having revised my initial recommendation, it'd be better for Dublin to stay in the Championship. It's a bit like England getting knocked out of the World Cup. No matter how badly your own county has fared, you'll still have the satisfaction watching a group of overrated (by their own media) prima donnas exiting the championship, harping on about the good ole days last century.
Looks like being a watershed year for Dublin in any case. They appear to be in siege mentality mode - and its not just Pillar and some players, others like the Stats man and Talty seem to encourage this mindset. Thing is they may well be on the right track. It ll take a really strong referee to make tough decisions against them in Croke Park in championship. And they will of course push it to the limit - and who could blame them if they think it s their best approach to winning Sam. They dont usually have to go on the road so making Croke Park as intimidating as fcuk for opposition and officials increases their chance of doing so. From a pure footballing ability perspective they would nt really be in the shake - up and I suspect that they know that.
How many of ye would fancy Dublin to win in places like Omagh, Ballybofey, Killarney, Tuam, Castlebar, Clones or Cork on a championship Sunday? If this current strategy does not prevail this year then its the end of Pillar, though its unlikely that the next manager will stray too far from the current template.
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Quote from: ONeill on April 21, 2008, 12:30:41 AM
Kilmainham's too good for them.
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Kilmainham is a place where our great patriots are remembered.
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:50:41 PM
So, gnevin - the daz challenge is now handbags. Make up your mind.
As I stated, the GAA must act on Dublin if they're serious about discipline. Throw them out of the championship.
You must have forgot to mention you think the GAA should throw out Meath too, right?
Or was it only Dublin players you saw involved today?
There have been too many incidents like this from Dublin over the last few years, and I really think that the Manager has to bear responsibility for this. It seems that Pillar has them wound up too tightly without the smarts to teach them how to control their agression - fine line between controlled agression, toughness etc. and all out brawls. Their disciplinary record over the last 3-4 years would not be a pretty read (don't have the stats to hand)
Dublin have some fine footballers and I think with a different manager most of these players would have at least one All Ireland medal by now - but they appear to wilt under sustained pressure in games that they should be winning, especially in the championship, the word has been out these last number of years on how to beat Dublin, get them even more wound up than Pillar has them and they'll lose the head.
There is something nasty about this Dublin set-up that could see them implode again before the year is out.
The pity is as many have said here they have some excellent footballers, and provide great entertainment but the taunting, off-the-ball hits, brawls, attitude of management etc etc is representative of everything that is bad in the GAA.
The supporter throwing "a full cup of tea" (how did RTE know that?) on to the pitch is a sc**bag who should be banned from the GAA but should also face criminal charges. Of course the Dubs management were able to stoop to the same level a year or two ago throwing water at supporters from the sideline.
You would have to imagine more suspensions will follow. Mayo and Meath had 15 banned. Tyrone and the Dubs had 10/11 banned if I recall correctly. In my mind the best step would be to award the Division 2 title to Westmeath. It is a meaningless game anyhow and would send out a warning sign to all teams that championship expulsion will be the ultimate sanction.
And on the football side of things the two points Dublin "picked up" against Cork were the crucial points in their promotion. Of course they may have beaten them but there desparate away record may have meant a defeat.
Roll on Summer Sundays.
Quote from: ONeill on April 21, 2008, 12:20:13 AM
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A tyronie still crying about 95! Class ;D
Well the schmozzle was certainly 3 or 4 minutes of mayhem. Fay cleaning out McKeigue was by far and away the highlight!! Certainly more punches thrown than in the so called Battle of Omagh, but thankfully none landed well and still it was mostly jersey grabbing and posturing. Anyone who says one team was more to blame than the other is just an idiot.
I think one red card each would have sufficed, but hard to blame Russell. Brogan can have no complaints as he was throwing plenty of shapes, but Andrews did absolutely nothing!
Thankfully the game was played in pretty good spirits after that, with only two small exceptions. Whelan raised his hands, so can have no complaints with the red card, but it wasn't a bad incident. I thought a yellow card would have sufficed – he wasn't helped by Seamus Kenny's playacting, and it was certainly no worse than Byrne clocking Cullen in the 2nd half. If Russell had seen that he would have given red, though in fairness to Byrne while the challenge was high and therefore dangerous, and he did catch Cullen in the face, it wasn't malicious.
As for the action, well the Dubs played far the better football. Henry was absolutely immense in the full back line, and McConnell won every 50/50 v Sheridan. Cullen and Moran had their best displays in a long time. Brennan was alright, but IMO hasn't done enough yet to justify a championship start.
Fennell was very good in midfield. I've had reservations about him from day 1, despite his good press, mainly because he looks like the type of midfielder the culchies usually have, but now I'm realising that's no harm at all!
Flynn was quiet enough in the first half, but came good in the second. In the critical last few minutes, he became the best player on the pitch. As usual when the going gets tough it's the north county men who stand up! Though Shane was pretty brutal when he came on, couldn't get to the pace of the game.
Jason didn't do a whole lot in the first half, but was very effective in the second. McMenamin worked really hard, notched a lovely point, and I was disappointed to see him subbed. Mossy mixed the good with the bad, from play and from frees, he was a bit silly to react to Kenny's goading. His total inability to win 50/50 balls and Vaughan's reliability from frees, means Mossy is defo behind Marco in the pecking order.
For a guy with no pace and no great aerial ability, Connolly is some player. His style is really reminiscent of Maurice Fitzgerald. If he gets to be half as good as Mo, he'll be doing alright. Connolly took Fay to the cleaners, didn't always take the right option when in possession, hit a couple of bad wides, but scored 3 lovely points and was Dublin's key forward.
It has to be said that Meath were poor. Though if you can conjure up two great goals like they did, you'll always be dangerous. Geraghty cut a very frustrated figure. There was countless times when a colleague wasted possession or hit a bad wide, with him open for a pass. It was good to see GG take the slagging he was getting from the "hill" in good spirits, and at the end he was very generous in defeat.
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Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:50:41 PM
So, gnevin - the daz challenge is now handbags. Make up your mind.
As I stated, the GAA must act on Dublin if they're serious about discipline. Throw them out of the championship.
You must have forgot to mention you think the GAA should throw out Meath too, right?
Or was it only Dublin players you saw involved today?
I only saw Dublin players involved today. I didn't see Meath getting involved at all - anything Meath did was in self defence.
Dublin are a disgrace and their manager should be chased along with the backroom team - can you imagine how enraged that man was in order to throw away his good cup of tea on that Whelan fella - what a waste of a good cup of tea on a cold day !!!!
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 09:49:42 AM
Connolly is some player. His style is really reminiscent of Maurice Fitzgerald.
Maurcie Fitzgerald? Are you sure you don't you mean Barry? :D
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Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 09:49:42 AM
Connolly is some player. His style is really reminiscent of Maurice Fitzgerald.
Maurcie Fitzgerald? Are you sure you don't you mean Barry? :D
There was only one Mo !
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:31:49 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on April 20, 2008, 11:27:46 PM
What about Tyrone V Armagh battles during 03,04,05 they wouldn't pass the a Daz challenge .
State one example.
McMenamin sly knees onto McEntee's throat.
Canavan & McKeever red cards in '05 'brawl'
Quote from: stephenite on April 21, 2008, 04:07:33 AM
There have been too many incidents like this from Dublin over the last few years, and I really think that the Manager has to bear responsibility for this. It seems that Pillar has them wound up too tightly without the smarts to teach them how to control their agression - fine line between controlled agression, toughness etc. and all out brawls. Their disciplinary record over the last 3-4 years would not be a pretty read (don't have the stats to hand)
Dublin have some fine footballers and I think with a different manager most of these players would have at least one All Ireland medal by now - but they appear to wilt under sustained pressure in games that they should be winning, especially in the championship, the word has been out these last number of years on how to beat Dublin, get them even more wound up than Pillar has them and they'll lose the head.
Agree 100% with what you have said.
It is also refreshing to see a Dublin supporter with a rational balanced view of the events.
orangeman watch a rerun you feckin eejit- take a good look at the meath keeper he wasn't acting in self defence- both teams were equally culpable.
Hound -relax on the maurice comparisons it's one good game. i know him better than most and he's gifted but its the top two inches that's his problem.
Have factor in how shite meath were - i mean they were embarrasingly bad.
still a few issues though like falling asleep again, poor discipline and still some key players bang out of form.
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Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 21, 2008, 02:22:50 AM
Quote from: ONeill on April 20, 2008, 11:50:41 PM
So, gnevin - the daz challenge is now handbags. Make up your mind.
As I stated, the GAA must act on Dublin if they're serious about discipline. Throw them out of the championship.
You must have forgot to mention you think the GAA should throw out Meath too, right?
Or was it only Dublin players you saw involved today?
I only saw Dublin players involved today. I didn't see Meath getting involved at all - anything Meath did was in self defence.
Whereabouts in the ground did you watch the game from?
Have yet to see the game or highlights as I had a game myself. The score and performance bothers me more than the fighting, dont see the point in discussing it or calling one team or the other instigators. I do believe that all the players involved are adults and in control of their own actions and therefore anyone who gets suspended has to accept it. We'll probably have a handful of suspensions for the start of the championship, which is really going to hamper us. The "fan" who threw the tea should get a life ban. Dont want that shite around GAA matches.
It'll be hard to take much good from this years NFL. Hard to really say how good we are, or if any good at all. On another note if Brendan Murphy gets suspended then it'll be nice to see Ricky Nolan step into the breach, an old school mate of mine.
I think this game was a damning indictment of Coyles tactical know how. I think if Dudley was there he would have figured out pretty quickly what the way forward was. Coyle figured it out with about 5 minutes to go. Or maybe the players just decided "f*ck this lets just have a go instead of ballooning balls aimlessly into the Dublin half." Either way, it doesn't reflect very well on Coyle.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 10:41:34 AM
I think this game was a damning indictment of Coyles tactical know how. I think if Dudley was there he would have figured out pretty quickly what the way forward was. Coyle figured it out with about 5 minutes to go. Or maybe the players just decided "f*ck this lets just have a go instead of ballooning balls aimlessly into the Dublin half." Either way, it doesn't reflect very well on Coyle.
Rather than any tactical enlightenment on Coyle's part, I would have said it was more down to a 12 man Dublin being out on their feet and switching off for the two late goals.
yeah but heffo we brought on 3 regulars and one of them was the cause of the kenny goal because he didn't track him. why in god's name did coyle not make changes up front - i couldn't understand why.
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOCndqPTMo (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOCndqPTMo)
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 10:47:50 AM
yeah but heffo we brought on 3 regulars and one of them was the cause of the kenny goal because he didn't track him
Not for the 1st time either..
We had very little forward cover on the bench due to the amount of injuries we have. The game was crying out for someone like Farrell who can actually win a ball in front of his man (pay attention Joe Sheridan) and take a simple score or someone like Moyles who is actually prepared to work hard to break up attacks and drive forward when he gets possession. We have too many big, slow players and this simply has to be addressed for the championship. Even on a relatively small pitch like PP, when it comes down to 12 v 13 there is going to be lots of space. Dublin made far better use of this space than we did.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
orangeman watch a rerun you feckin eejit- take a good look at the meath keeper he wasn't acting in self defence- both teams were equally culpable.
Hound -relax on the maurice comparisons it's one good game. i know him better than most and he's gifted but its the top two inches that's his problem.
Have factor in how shite meath were - i mean they were embarrasingly bad.
still a few issues though like falling asleep again, poor discipline and still some key players bang out of form.
There is something nasty about this Dublin set-up that could see them implode again before the year is out. TOTALLY AGREE !
Indiana - most posters on this thread seem to be readily admit that the problem with Dublin is that their manager winds up the players, the backroom team, the supporters, the programme sellers, the people who make the tea ( as evidenced by the reaction of the Dublin supporter who threw the tea at Whelan ), the burger sellers, the stewards and everybody else involved to the extent that they are outwardly aggressive and threatening.
Dublin county board should arrange anger management for all of them and get rid of Pillar forthwith.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
orangeman watch a rerun you feckin eejit- take a good look at the meath keeper he wasn't acting in self defence- both teams were equally culpable.
Hound -relax on the maurice comparisons it's one good game. i know him better than most and he's gifted but its the top two inches that's his problem.
Have factor in how shite meath were - i mean they were embarrasingly bad.
still a few issues though like falling asleep again, poor discipline and still some key players bang out of form.
orangeman is either an idiot or just on a wind up mission. Either way, just ignore.
Anyone who read my comments will see that I did not for one moment suggest Connolly was in Fitzgearld's league. But his style of play
is very similar - languid, almost awkward, yet still very talented. Agree that its not difficult to figure out where Connolly's weaknesses are, but he should improve with age.
Quote from: orangeman on April 21, 2008, 10:58:17 AM
Indiana - most posters on this thread seem to be readily admit that the problem with Dublin is that their manager winds up the players, the backroom team, the supporters, the programme sellers, the people who make the tea ( as evidenced by the reaction of the Dublin supporter who threw the tea at Whelan ), the burger sellers, the stewards and everybody else involved to the extent that they are outwardly aggressive and threatening.
Dublin county board should arrange anger management for all of them and get rid of Pillar forthwith.
f**k me, quote to end all quotes. you actually seem genuinely serious too.
just watched that video, Sheridens goal was a good one. But as a player he doesnt seem to be the kind of forward who can win his own ball and make oppportunties. Hes an acurate kicker but needs someone else to do the donkey work.
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 11:02:06 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 10:20:53 AM
orangeman watch a rerun you feckin eejit- take a good look at the meath keeper he wasn't acting in self defence- both teams were equally culpable.
Hound -relax on the maurice comparisons it's one good game. i know him better than most and he's gifted but its the top two inches that's his problem.
Have factor in how shite meath were - i mean they were embarrasingly bad.
still a few issues though like falling asleep again, poor discipline and still some key players bang out of form.
orangeman is either an idiot or just on a wind up mission. Either way, just ignore.
Anyone who read my comments will see that I did not for one moment suggest Connolly was in Fitzgearld's league. But his style of play is very similar - languid, almost awkward, yet still very talented. Agree that its not difficult to figure out where Connolly's weaknesses are, but he should improve with age.
Is Pillar a liability or not ? Let's have a poll - so far everybody is saying that he is. I'm not winding you up - I'm making just making the point that Dublin's chances would be more improved with someone else in charge. And I don't think you can disagree.
he caused his awful bother juice in the first game in the leinster club championship when he was playing for senchalstown. i know that's not the same standard but i don't know why a guy of his size can't win his own ball - a short arse like sherlock would put him to shame in that regard. sheridan is 6ft 3 and 15 stone and he also wasn't marking a natural full back yesterday- i think farrell and o rourke will walk onto that meath team when they return.
For someone like Joe to win his own possession it has to be diagonal high balls coming across the square. Not this craic of Reilly/Crawford/Ward just driving the ball as far as they can and hoping for the best. Caveman stuff.
Quote from: passedit on April 21, 2008, 10:52:44 AM
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOCndqPTMo (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOCndqPTMo)
For those of us not at the game or didn't see Sunday Sport, thanks for that. Any chance u have de highlights of the Monaghan Westmeath game there and could put it up???
Well when the suspensions are handed out I'm nearly sure we won't try to wrangle out of it, and we'll take our medicine like we did with Brian Farrells suspension last year. In hindsight Russell did exactly the right thing looking at the bigger picture. It may have spoiled 1 game but it has sent out the message loud and clear. The day of the shemozzle is gone.
I presume this talk of throwing teams out of the championship is just lads winding each other up. Fair enough suspensions will be handed out for the conduct in yesterdays game and rightly so.
But for conduct in a league game a teams participation in this years championship should not be an issue. You can not impose such a punishment / threat of such a punishment after the event-
However for next years league campaign, teams should be warned in advance that mass brawls will not be tolerated. Any team involved in a brawl will have 1 point deducted. A team involved in 2 brawls in a year 3 points. I would even go as far as to say a team involved in 2 brawls in 2 years should have 2 points deducted. These measures will ensure management insisit on their players being disciplined and also ensure the management can not say "that was someone different in charge last time etc..."
Brawls have become a scurge on the gaas reputation, the papers love them and they get a great opportunity to run the association down. This shit of lads running 70 yards to get involved even if they don't throw a punch makes it look far worse than it actually is.
As a game yesterday it was ruined when 4 got sent off so early. However paddy russell was right to send them off because those players got involved.
The captains of both teams should have been taken aside after and told to get their respective teams together and command they control themselves. this might help also. Another rule change i would like to see is a 14 yard free for any off the ball punches no matter where it occurs on the field
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Quote from: passedit on April 21, 2008, 10:52:44 AM
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOCndqPTMo (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOCndqPTMo)
For those of us not at the game or didn't see Sunday Sport, thanks for that. Any chance u have de highlights of the Monaghan Westmeath game there and could put it up???
Sorry Croi, I googled that one as I hadn't managed to see Sunday Sport either. Have to say Whelan's dismissal looks a bit harsh, perhaps paying for previous sins?
Whelos dismissal was in no way whatsoever harsh. He may have got away with worse before but that's hardly the point.
Perhaps Dublin used the game as a warm-up for the visit of Collingwood.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 12:14:26 PM
Whelos dismissal was in no way whatsoever harsh. He may have got away with worse before but that's hardly the point.
I dunno jinxy looked more a push than a punch from that angle. I spose the ref had a better view than the camera?
BTW i'm no fan of the big child but to quote Roy Walker 'say what you see'
It was a punch. look at his left hand.
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sitting across from it- he lamped him. byrne hit him a nice one beforehand though- it's no excuse though whelan should know better.
Fair enough, doesn't look as bad on the video but if a dub says he whacked him, who am i to argue.
I think Whelo should be made play without those big white gloves. You wouldn't know what he has in there.
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Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 12:35:35 PM
sitting across from it- he lamped him. byrne hit him a nice one beforehand though- it's no excuse though whelan should know better.
Dont think thats a fair description. He caught him with the side of his hand/wrist - it wasnt with the knuckles. It was more of a push than a punch. Kenny's exaggerated reaction just made it seem much worse. Still, technically a red card offence alright.
I'd say it's one of those distress signal transmitters so Pilar can find him when he goes missing during the big games. ;)
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 12:35:35 PM
sitting across from it- he lamped him. byrne hit him a nice one beforehand though- it's no excuse though whelan should know better.
Dont think thats a fair description. He caught him with the side of his hand/wrist - it wasnt with the knuckles. It was more of a push than a punch. Kenny's exaggerated reaction just made it seem much worse. Still, technically a red card offence alright.
Get one of your workmates to push you in the face with their hand/wrist so. I'm sure it feels like being tickled with goose feathers.
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 12:35:35 PM
sitting across from it- he lamped him. byrne hit him a nice one beforehand though- it's no excuse though whelan should know better.
Dont think thats a fair description. He caught him with the side of his hand/wrist - it wasnt with the knuckles. It was more of a push than a punch. Kenny's exaggerated reaction just made it seem much worse. Still, technically a red card offence alright.
I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of one of his punches then, if that only constituted a push !
On another note - it was great to see Stephen Cluxton standing his ground.
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 12:45:25 PM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 12:35:35 PM
sitting across from it- he lamped him. byrne hit him a nice one beforehand though- it's no excuse though whelan should know better.
Dont think thats a fair description. He caught him with the side of his hand/wrist - it wasnt with the knuckles. It was more of a push than a punch. Kenny's exaggerated reaction just made it seem much worse. Still, technically a red card offence alright.
It wasnt with the knuckles so its not as bad ::) :D :D :D
Just seen the highlights on Youtbe, was not exactly the war I was expecting.
One point, how was it done the frontal charge just before Whelan got sent off. That was a red card offence for me.
Seriously though. These confrontations disrupt Dublin alot more than their opposition. Caffery is a tactical idiot in my mind.
Serious point otDub posters, do you think he tells them to get stuck in as such before a game?
Quote from: corn02 on April 21, 2008, 01:16:40 PM
Just seen the highlights on Youtbe, was not exactly the war I was expecting.
One point, how was it done the frontal charge just before Whelan got sent off. That was a red card offence for me.
Seriously though. These confrontations disrupt Dublin alot more than their opposition. Caffery is a tactical idiot in my mind.
Serious point otDub posters, do you think he tells them to get stuck in as such before a game?
You can't be serious Corn 02 - the gospel according to Pillar is to get stuck in, kick the dung out of the opposition and hopefully their superior physical and mental strength will see them through.
I know a lot of Dubs have faith in Pillar cos he's delivered 3 Leinsters in a row but I do think it has cost them an AI.
Just thinking, if we had snatched a late win, the play-off re-match would have been some craic! :o
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 01:26:49 PM
Just thinking, if we had snatched a late win, the play-off re-match would have been some craic! :o
It would have to have been held behind closed doors ! ;)
The Man has been shown to be a tactical buffoon in the heat of crunch championship games.
This has been a style that Dublin have been developing over the last 3-4 years. In fairness i think they had too, however i feel that they have taken it too far. To their detrement. The over physical ,aggressive, trash talking conduct appears to be worn like a badge of honour. The Eqivilent to the GAA asbo, that has to be demonstrated if ever questioned.
Ban the Dubs now!!!!! They are ruining the GAA. How many more incidents will they be involved with this year? It was bad enough when they had a load of scum bags in the crowd but now they're on the pitch also. This cant go on.
Quote from: Bensars on April 21, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
The Man has been shown to be a tactical buffoon in the heat of crunch championship games.
This has been a style that Dublin have been developing over the last 3-4 years. In fairness i think they had too, however i feel that they have taken it too far. To their detrement. The over physical ,aggressive, trash talking conduct appears to be worn like a badge of honour. The Eqivilent to the GAA asbo, that has to be demonstrated if ever questioned.
I think they had a good enough team to win the AI - they probably could and should have won it in 2005 and maybe 2006 as well.
I wouldnt disagree with that orangeman. They have a very good squad.
If they are happy enough winning leinsters, then this management and style of play will achieve the goals.
If they want to win an all ireland, then, thats a different matter altogether.
Quote from: Bensars on April 21, 2008, 01:36:18 PM
I wouldnt disagree with that orangeman. They have a very good squad.
If they are happy enough winning leinsters, then this management and style of play will achieve the goals.
If they want to win an all ireland, then, thats a different matter altogether.
Most people would have been delighted to have seen Dublin win an AI by this stage, but now most people would begrudge them an AI given their tactics.
Quote from: corn02 on April 21, 2008, 01:16:40 PM
Just seen the highlights on Youtbe, was not exactly the war I was expecting.
One point, how was it done the frontal charge just before Whelan got sent off. That was a red card offence for me.
Seriously though. These confrontations disrupt Dublin alot more than their opposition. Caffery is a tactical idiot in my mind.
Serious point otDub posters, do you think he tells them to get stuck in as such before a game?
Dublin are no dirtier than Meath, Monaghan, Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone etc.
Yes, we do have a history with Meath and Tyrone so schmozzle's arent uncommon. But its 50/50 - takes two to tango.
Its quite bizarre that even questions like yours come up - which would seem to put the blame on Dublin rather than Meath. But in the end it doesnt matter what I say, most of the eejits on here are just on a wind up or havent a clue what they're talking about.
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 01:41:47 PM
Dublin are no dirtier than Meath, Monaghan, Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone etc.
Yes, we do have a history with Meath and Tyrone so schmozzle's arent uncommon. But its 50/50 - takes two to tango.
Its quite bizarre that even questions like yours come up - which would seem to put the blame on Dublin rather than Meath. But in the end it doesnt matter what I say, most of the eejits on here are just on a wind up or havent a clue what they're talking about.
We don't have a history of all in brawls with each other. It's usually no quarter asked or given but it rarely strays into fight club territory.
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on April 21, 2008, 01:16:40 PM
Just seen the highlights on Youtbe, was not exactly the war I was expecting.
One point, how was it done the frontal charge just before Whelan got sent off. That was a red card offence for me.
Seriously though. These confrontations disrupt Dublin alot more than their opposition. Caffery is a tactical idiot in my mind.
Serious point otDub posters, do you think he tells them to get stuck in as such before a game?
Dublin are no dirtier than Meath, Monaghan, Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone etc.
Yes, we do have a history with Meath and Tyrone so schmozzle's arent uncommon. But its 50/50 - takes two to tango.
Its quite bizarre that even questions like yours come up - which would seem to put the blame on Dublin rather than Meath. But in the end it doesnt matter what I say, most of the eejits on here are just on a wind up or havent a clue what they're talking about.
Agree 100% - I find it particularly funny when Armagh and even Tyrone posters see fit to complain about Dublin tactics..
Just read through this thread now, theres some of the most idiotic comments I've ever come across on here throughout the thread, and the likes of "dont matter" should be ashamed of themselves.
But to the game, lets not kid ourselves there were two teams involved and I've read very few comments criticising Meaths part in it all, which says it all really.
No arguments over the 4 sendings off.
Re Whelans, I didnt think he caught him at the time, and taped and replayed it in slow motion last night and it seemed to me at worst he pushed the player, not punched.
Still the rules are the rules and I wont argue with the red, but would like to see the Meath player investigated as he quite clearly took a dive with the intentions of getting a fellow player sent off.
The Meath fan who threw the tea is a disgrace and should never enter a GAA ground again.
The rest of the game involved sporadic petty late hits from both sides, and was dissapointing to see.
Re the actual football, Dubs were the better side by a mile and but for a 3 minute spell late on when the 12 men were knackered, would have won comfortably.
At the end of the day, some lads on here need to get a grip and untwist their knickers over the "brawl". Feck sake, I'm sure many of you who play have been involved in worse over the years but take the moral high ground when talking about the Dubs.
Quote from: orangeman on April 21, 2008, 01:39:33 PM
Most people would have been delighted to have seen Dublin win an AI by this stage, but now most people would begrudge them an AI given their tactics.
They would in their hole have!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 21, 2008, 01:52:12 PM
Just read through this thread now, theres some of the most idiotic comments I've ever come across on here throughout the thread, and the likes of "dont matter" should be ashamed of themselves.
But to the game, lets not kid ourselves there were two teams involved and I've read very few comments criticising Meaths part in it all, which says it all really.
No arguments over the 4 sendings off.
Re Whelans, I didnt think he caught him at the time, and taped and replayed it in slow motion last night and it seemed to me at worst he pushed the player, not punched.
Still the rules are the rules and I wont argue with the red, but would like to see the Meath player investigated as he quite clearly took a dive with the intentions of getting a fellow player sent off.
The Meath fan who threw the tea is a disgrace and should never enter a GAA ground again.
The rest of the game involved sporadic petty late hits from both sides, and was dissapointing to see.
Re the actual football, Dubs were the better side by a mile and but for a 3 minute spell late on when the 12 men were knackered, would have won comfortably.
At the end of the day, some lads on here need to get a grip and untwist their knickers over the "brawl". Feck sake, I'm sure many of you who play have been involved in worse over the years but take the moral high ground when talking about the Dubs.
Its a bit hard to take the rest of your post seriously after that in fairness. ::)
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 01:41:47 PM
Quote from: corn02 on April 21, 2008, 01:16:40 PM
Just seen the highlights on Youtbe, was not exactly the war I was expecting.
One point, how was it done the frontal charge just before Whelan got sent off. That was a red card offence for me.
Seriously though. These confrontations disrupt Dublin alot more than their opposition. Caffery is a tactical idiot in my mind.
Serious point otDub posters, do you think he tells them to get stuck in as such before a game?
Dublin are no dirtier than Meath, Monaghan, Kerry, Armagh, Tyrone etc.
Yes, we do have a history with Meath and Tyrone so schmozzle's arent uncommon. But its 50/50 - takes two to tango.
Its quite bizarre that even questions like yours come up - which would seem to put the blame on Dublin rather than Meath. But in the end it doesnt matter what I say, most of the eejits on here are just on a wind up or havent a clue what they're talking about.
Come on Hound - what you're saying is that we're all wrong and you're right ! And Pillar had the cheek to come out and say that he hoped the supporter who threw the tea at Whelan was proud of himself ????????
Pillar just CAN'T see that what he is doing is WRONG ! And neither can you ! You've been brainwashed as well, so much so that you're saying that all the non - Dublin posters don't have a clue what they're talking about ! ;)
Something needs to be done about the Dubs, They tried to sort out Meath yesterday, they tried to sort out Monaghan, they tried to sort out Tyrone in Omagh. They really tend to bring negative publicity not only on themselves but on the teams they are playing. No offence Heffo they are an undisciplined bundle of hoors and they will fail again beacuse of this. Either Caffrey promotes this or he has lost his team - you tell me.
On a side- Is there more agression on the terraces this year - I blame the economy perhaps the great unwashed are reclaiming the terraces, but ffS Id rather have a rich-T with my cuppa than a poor dub.
Storm in a teacup anyone?
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 21, 2008, 01:53:05 PM
Quote from: orangeman on April 21, 2008, 01:39:33 PM
Most people would have been delighted to have seen Dublin win an AI by this stage, but now most people would begrudge them an AI given their tactics.
They would in their hole have!
;D ;D ;D ;D
I for one would have applauded Dublin but maybe not now - they're trying to kick and box their wat to an AI !
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 01:55:42 PM
Its a bit hard to take the rest of your post seriously after that in fairness. ::)
Jinx, I could be wrong and I admit that, just saying what I personally saw.
I havent seen any footage or pictures to convince me otherwise.
You know I'm not slow to point out when a Dub steps out of line so theres no other motive in my statement.
And for the record I would pick Fennell and Ryan for the championship anyway.
Also interesting is the repeated claims that Dublin try to fight their way to an AI when all the "fights" in the past few years have happened in the league. ???
Like I said earlier, the atmosphere was grand where I was. Plenty of mixing, plenty of shaking hands at the end. How come if this game involved so much malevolence I never had any fear that the Meath players would get abuse when the pitch was invaded at the end? The players shook hands, GG even gave the Church End a little clap and everyone went on their way. From what I heard about the Monaghan game the atmosphere then was way worse.
Watched the highlights on TV last night and if this is anything to go on the referee dealt with the incident and thats it. Whelan was unlucky but because it happened so soon after the handbags it was always likely he would get the line. Watched the Dubs play Armagh last week and it was a good hard match as they always are. My worry for Dublin is that these incidents can create problems for them in the future as referees get influenced by the image created and come down harder on the Dubs than their opponents. Would not have a problem seeing the Dubs win an All Ireland - as long as it is not beating Armagh!
I'm still getting over the shock of a GAA referee (even one as terrible as Paddy Russell) actually sending off Ciaran Whelan
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 02:04:01 PM
Like I said earlier, the atmosphere was grand where I was. Plenty of mixing, plenty of shaking hands at the end. How come if this game involved so much malevolence I never had any fear that the Meath players would get abuse when the pitch was invaded at the end? The players shook hands, GG even gave the Church End a little clap and everyone went on their way. From what I heard about the Monaghan game the atmosphere then was way worse.
Dublin won yesterday, the natives were happy ;) ;D
CCCC taking no further action at the moment
Quote from: bingobus on April 21, 2008, 02:38:55 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 02:04:01 PM
Like I said earlier, the atmosphere was grand where I was. Plenty of mixing, plenty of shaking hands at the end. How come if this game involved so much malevolence I never had any fear that the Meath players would get abuse when the pitch was invaded at the end? The players shook hands, GG even gave the Church End a little clap and everyone went on their way. From what I heard about the Monaghan game the atmosphere then was way worse.
Dublin won yesterday, the natives were happy ;) ;D
Hmmm, you may have a point! ;D
And Cristiano Freeman wasnt playing ;)
Quote from: Hound on April 21, 2008, 03:06:19 PM
And Cristiano Freeman wasnt playing ;)
It's a good job you don't play Monaghan every week - the auld diesel has got dear and a trip to Monaghan every week with an apology would be costly - I suppose he could always travel in the Garda Monde with the stipes on her ! ;) :D ;D
Quote from: passedit on April 21, 2008, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on April 21, 2008, 11:41:38 AM
Quote from: passedit on April 21, 2008, 10:52:44 AM
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOCndqPTMo (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=NnOCndqPTMo)
For those of us not at the game or didn't see Sunday Sport, thanks for that. Any chance u have de highlights of the Monaghan Westmeath game there and could put it up???
Sorry Croi, I googled that one as I hadn't managed to see Sunday Sport either. Have to say Whelan's dismissal looks a bit harsh, perhaps paying for previous sins?
Just found this on rte.ie, happy days ;D Footage not great to tell what actually happened with Whelan, de views here seem consistent enough that he had to go.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/audiovideo_index.html (http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/audiovideo_index.html)
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 21, 2008, 01:52:12 PM
The Meath fan who threw the tea is a disgrace and should never enter a GAA ground again.
How do you know he was a Meath fan? ;)
Quote from: Hardy on April 21, 2008, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 21, 2008, 01:52:12 PM
The Meath fan who threw the tea is a disgrace and should never enter a GAA ground again.
How do you know he was a Meath fan? ;)
That's right - how do we know he was a Meath fan ? He migt have been offering Whelan a welcome cup of tea after his exertions ??? ;)
has Dublin been involved in every 'handbags' incident thats been shown on tv? surely they are bringing the game into gutter with their over the top tackling and winding the other team up. they come across as hard men with a siege mentality and Caffrey comes on plays it down.
You're right!
Every violent incident on any GAA pitch has involved Dublin. The true non-dub Gaels are only minding their own business, happy to have a nice day out on the pitch. But as soon as those trouble-makers from Dublin show up, all hell breaks loose.
Makes perfect sense.
anyone else think this is a bit of handbags in a match that has been blown out of proportion.
feck sake, I've seen (and been in) a lot worse.
the cup thrown from the crowd is the worst aspect imo.
Gaelic football is always going to have fights as its a man v man ,close physical contact game that uses contact from neck down to toes.
In wet slippy conditions, these kids of rows will always be more likely, esp when rivals square up.
I think a lot of fans like a bit of a dust up now and again.
It also pleases the GAA a small bit as there will be more bums on seats at the next meeting of both teams.
get over it.
Public banning and naming of the fan should take place.
Whatever about fighting on the pitch, nothing outside the sidelines can EVER be allowed.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 21, 2008, 04:15:16 PM
anyone else think this is a bit of handbags in a match that has been blown out of proportion.
feck sake, I've seen (and been in) a lot worse.
the cup thrown from the crowd is the worst aspect imo.
Gaelic football is always going to have fights as its a man v man ,close physical contact game that uses contact from neck down to toes.
In wet slippy conditions, these kids of rows will always be more likely, esp when rivals square up.
I think a lot of fans like a bit of a dust up now and again.
It also pleases the GAA a small bit as there will be more bums on seats at the next meeting of both teams.
get over it.
Public banning and naming of the fan should take place.
Whatever about fighting on the pitch, nothing outside the sidelines can EVER be allowed.
Would you not consider making a concession for Dublin ? Dublin do both so it would be unfair to take your attitude. The rest of us can live with it. ;)
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 21, 2008, 04:15:16 PM
anyone else think this is a bit of handbags in a match that has been blown out of proportion.
feck sake, I've seen (and been in) a lot worse.
the cup thrown from the crowd is the worst aspect imo.
Gaelic football is always going to have fights as its a man v man ,close physical contact game that uses contact from neck down to toes.
In wet slippy conditions, these kids of rows will always be more likely, esp when rivals square up.
I think a lot of fans like a bit of a dust up now and again.
It also pleases the GAA a small bit as there will be more bums on seats at the next meeting of both teams.
get over it.
Public banning and naming of the fan should take place.
Whatever about fighting on the pitch, nothing outside the sidelines can EVER be allowed.
The Aussies arrived over a few years ago, did the exact same thing and even played better football than the Irish team and look at the outcry that followed. If fighting and nonsence is allowed at the high profile matches, well then it has to be the same in club matches around the country. The game overall has to be looked at...there is too much short passing and congested middle areas on the field. When a late or high tackle comes in there is a free for all in a matter of seconds. The shit that went on yesterday has no place on a GAA pitch. Look at the hurling final yesterday... why should football have to be played any different?
Dont get me wrong, the players caught fighting have to be banned etc as per regulations.
But thats it. they get punished.
Apart from a very odd time, Football or hurling teams are not sent out to fight, get stuck in and show they wont be intimidated etc, but once in a few thousand matches actually sent out to fight .
What happens in our games is the occasional flare up that is not pre-meditated.
This is, In comparison to the aussies who set out their gameplan around fighting and being sent out to 'soften' up the Irish.
wehn we sent out our 'hit squad' in 89 (McGilligan, O'Byrne, O'shea, Lyons et al) the flippin aussies didnt half whinge about it then.
so not saying the lads fighting should get away with it, but its not the end of the world and it was fairly unlikely to have been a planned initiative.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 21, 2008, 04:55:33 PM
Dont get me wrong, the players caught fighting have to be banned etc as per regulations.
But thats it. they get punished.
Apart from a very odd time, Football or hurling teams are not sent out to fight, get stuck in and show they wont be intimidated etc, but once in a few thousand matches actually sent out to fight .
What happens in our games is the occasional flare up that is not pre-meditated.
This is, In comparison to the aussies who set out their gameplan around fighting and being sent out to 'soften' up the Irish.
wehn we sent out our 'hit squad' in 89 (McGilligan, O'Byrne, O'shea, Lyons et al) the flippin aussies didnt half whinge about it then.
so not saying the lads fighting should get away with it, but its not the end of the world and it was fairly unlikely to have been a planned initiative.
;D ;D I know you don't mean that !
Lynchboy is dead right, a whole big whingefest over a bit of handbags, feck sake I played a challenge game on saturday night with worse!
If its that bad why dont ye all call Joe Duffy and demand Dublin by cut loose and let drift into the sea ;)
The real disgrace was the fan throwing the tea, this must be very frustrating for all the decent meath fans who will no doubt now see what its like to be called a gang of scumbags over the actions of one eegit.
Cop yerselves on and stop whingeing.
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 21, 2008, 05:28:18 PMmust be very frustrating for all the decent meath fans who will no doubt now see what its like to be called a gang of scumbags over the actions of one eegit.
?????
Already happening on other threads Hardy.
Of course its bullshit, but I dont know how many times I have been called a sc**bag when some other eegit acts the bollox.
Most people do it in a joking manner, but not all.
It's clear that Dublin and Meath are in a parallell GAA universe. :)
I don't know what the ref could have done different, he takes one action and people assume the alternative would have been better for the game.
Anyway I for one, like always, will be glued to the Leinster championship meeting, if it happens then I'd hope that Meath can make a game of it.
Quote from: orangeman on April 21, 2008, 05:23:30 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 21, 2008, 04:55:33 PM
Dont get me wrong, the players caught fighting have to be banned etc as per regulations.
But thats it. they get punished.
Apart from a very odd time, Football or hurling teams are not sent out to fight, get stuck in and show they wont be intimidated etc, but once in a few thousand matches actually sent out to fight .
What happens in our games is the occasional flare up that is not pre-meditated.
This is, In comparison to the aussies who set out their gameplan around fighting and being sent out to 'soften' up the Irish.
wehn we sent out our 'hit squad' in 89 (McGilligan, O'Byrne, O'shea, Lyons et al) the flippin aussies didnt half whinge about it then.
so not saying the lads fighting should get away with it, but its not the end of the world and it was fairly unlikely to have been a planned initiative.
;D ;D I know you don't mean that !
Paul caffreyy couldnt organise a p*ss up in a brewery, so no way could he conduct a pre-meditated row
seriously though , caffrey likes the swagger of the tough stuff, but he wouldnt have sent them out to start anything, I'd be fairly sure of that.
Holiness - I don't think anyone takes seriously the comical ravings of Tankie (who slipped out of the remedial class down the gaaboard corridor when the special needs attendant wasn't looking). Apart from him, I haven't noticed anyone making the inference that all Meath fans are scumbags because one fool, who we hope will never darken a stadium again, threw a paper cup of tea at Ciaran Whelan.
And if they did, what sane person would pay them any attention? I don't think any sane person draws the conclusion that all Dublin followers are scumbags from the fact that not just one, but a small percentage of them have been lobbing not paper cups of tea, but bottles in volleys onto the pitch from Hill 16 for years (without it ever being mentioned by Ray Darcy, Joe Duffy, Marian Finucane or even the less expert sports commentators). Or from the fact that a few of them assembled to launch not tea but their saliva at members of their team's management not too long ago. Or from the fact that the notion of a family safe area in Croke Park is a joke when Dublin are playing because there isn't a corner of the stadium where the most innocent of ears could fail to hear the most disgusting of filth screamed in chorus from Hill 16.
disagree entirely lynchboy it's to organised and too often for that. dates bac to 2003 for everyone's interest when armagh beat us in the qualifiers and t lyons kept the players back going into the dressing room and let armagh in first half time at. dublin lost and were accused of being pussies - since then it's any row or aggro and everyone is in despite the consequences. absolutely no backing down regardless of what has to be done. and such a policy is biting us in the ass now.
the reality is though as well some teasm see us as fair game and engage in the off the ball stuff and verbals until someone reacts. but i'm pissing in the wind here trying to get a reasoned debate on that here. dublin and meath generally are tough physical encounters with some decent football, meath fans in general know their stuff so i usually enjoy the occasions not like some of the fans from some counties north of the border. both sets of fans weren't happy with what went on and it ruined the day and game.
the verbals off the ball from both sides yesterday started before the throw in, it's a nasty element of the game that appears to be univesal now. Caffrey has to get a grip- i heard strong talk from a very good source within the gaa there could be up to 10 suspensions between the 2 teams.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 06:12:35 PM
disagree entirely lynchboy it's to organised and too often for that. dates bac to 2003 for everyone's interest when armagh beat us in the qualifiers and t lyons kept the players back going into the dressing room and let armagh in first half time at. dublin lost and were accused of being pussies - since then it's any row or aggro and everyone is in despite the consequences. absolutely no backing down regardless of what has to be done. and such a policy is biting us in the ass now.
the reality is though as well some teasm see us as fair game and engage in the off the ball stuff and verbals until someone reacts. but i'm pissing in the wind here trying to get a reasoned debate on that here. dublin and meath generally are tough physical encounters with some decent football, meath fans in general know their stuff so i usually enjoy the occasions not like some of the fans from some counties north of the border. both sets of fans weren't happy with what went on and it ruined the day and game.
the verbals off the ball from both sides yesterday started before the throw in, it's a nasty element of the game that appears to be univesal now. Caffrey has to get a grip- i heard strong talk from a very good source within the gaa there could be up to 10 suspensions between the 2 teams.
Ok Indiana - time for reasoned debate - I've been saying for a long time now that Dublin have a brilliant set of players who in all honesty could and should have won the AI 2005 - Perhaps in 2006 as well. Pillar is holding the team back - why does he not play to the teams strengths instead of trying to engage the opposition all the time. Now teams are meeting Dublin half roads looking for a row. And guess who's getting ALL the bad press ? Dublin !
Thanks to Dublin and Meath we just got the most extensive coverage of GAA that I've seen on UTV since last years championship :P
it's generally agreed among the players as well really, that whatever happens they can't be seen to be backing down. th team's PR is bad as well- they are generally on bad terms with most of the media and believe the world is against them. as a result we get hammered when incidents like this happen. i'm not saying you should be kissing ass with the media but you can make it work for you too.
can't see them changing now. the reality is a complete clear out among the management is needed some have been there for 8 years now. there is no point in changing anything at this stage its too late this season. look when the management get involved in silly incidents, the players aren't going to act any different. discipline comes from the top down. i think some sections of the mangement have brought some really good thinsg to the setup but this siege mentality crap doesn't work and in turn just puts more pressue on the team.
Quote from: jodyb on April 21, 2008, 06:32:46 PM
Thanks to Dublin and Meath we just got the most extensive coverage of GAA that I've seen on UTV since last years championship :P
Ay you can trust them to show plenty of GAA this evening. One score from Newry, then full video of both main rows in Dublin game and of Whelan being targetted walking off. They've no problem paying whoever recorded it to get coverage of GAA when it suits a certain agenda. They can shove their argument about coverage costs up their holes.
Although they might be doin it for the wrong reasons but in fairness to UTV, why shouldn't they be allowed to highlight the knackerism of Dublin GAA?
Eugene Magee on Newstalk. Hysterical nonsense.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 08:12:24 PM
Eugene Magee on Newstalk. Hysterical nonsense.
What's he going over? He has a real go at Down U21 Conor Garvey in the Indo today, though his actions were disgraceful it has to be said.
Its all a reflection of the breakdown of society apparently. Jaysus lads, do the actual events really merit this level of uproar. ???
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 08:27:30 PM
Its all a reflection of the breakdown of society apparently. Jaysus lads, do the actual events really merit this level of uproar. ???
that p***k that threw the tea needs to be identified :(
In case you haven't noticed, the uproar isn't about "tea-gate." From what I'm hearing there are going to be a rake of suspensions handed out for the "brawl." For what exactly? Is Fayser going to be suspended for accidentally bursting his own corner back? 4 sendings off wasn't enough?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 09:05:06 PM
In case you haven't noticed, the uproar isn't about "tea-gate." From what I'm hearing there are going to be a rake of suspensions handed out for the "brawl." For what exactly? Is Fayser going to be suspended for accidentally bursting his own corner back? 4 sendings off wasn't enough?
the problem is kidds are watching this stuff ant they mimic it. it doesnt help when parents/mentors are @$$holes and encourage it.
how long do we wait til someone gets killed.
there is a club in north derry has been getting away with that sort of behaviour at all grades fore (freudian slip) decades and nobody has the guts to take a stand
well done to brennan if he puts his money where his mouth is - no club/county is too big to be censured
Quote from: gaagaa on April 21, 2008, 09:09:44 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 09:05:06 PM
In case you haven't noticed, the uproar isn't about "tea-gate." From what I'm hearing there are going to be a rake of suspensions handed out for the "brawl." For what exactly? Is Fayser going to be suspended for accidentally bursting his own corner back? 4 sendings off wasn't enough?
the problem is kidds are watching this stuff ant they mimic it. it doesnt help when parents/mentors are @$$holes and encourage it.
how long do we wait til someone gets killed.
there is a club in north derry has been getting away with that sort of behaviour at all grades fore (freudian slip) decades and nobody has the guts to take a stand
well done to brennan if he puts his money where his mouth is - no club/county is too big to be censured
Thank you and good night.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 09:13:02 PM
Quote from: gaagaa on April 21, 2008, 09:09:44 PM
how long do we wait til someone gets killed.
Thank you and good night.
im talking about impact at club level - it cant be ignored
the discipline is slipping big time - we mighnd like it but its a reality
Quote from: thejuice on April 21, 2008, 10:29:55 AM
Have yet to see the game or highlights as I had a game myself. The score and performance bothers me more than the fighting, dont see the point in discussing it or calling one team or the other instigators. I do believe that all the players involved are adults and in control of their own actions and therefore anyone who gets suspended has to accept it. We'll probably have a handful of suspensions for the start of the championship, which is really going to hamper us. The "fan" who threw the tea should get a life ban. Dont want that shite around GAA matches.
It'll be hard to take much good from this years NFL. Hard to really say how good we are, or if any good at all. On another note if Brendan Murphy gets suspended then it'll be nice to see Ricky Nolan step into the breach, an old school mate of mine.
Juice, why would Ricky be stepping into the breach? He isnt on the panel. The sub goalie is Michael Ahern from Dunshaughlin.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 21, 2008, 09:05:06 PM
In case you haven't noticed, the uproar isn't about "tea-gate." From what I'm hearing there are going to be a rake of suspensions handed out for the "brawl." For what exactly? Is Fayser going to be suspended for accidentally bursting his own corner back? 4 sendings off wasn't enough?
You'd want to play it in slow mo to really pick out anyone else from Meath in particular, but there is a Dublin half forward clearly throwing digs - I'd say he'll be getting a call..
What i would worry about is that, regardless of guilt, they just pick an even number of players from either side.
The Jackeens try to be a bit like the Lions in 1974 when Willie John McBride called the famous 99 move, "one in all in"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EwTel67EdI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EwTel67EdI&feature=related)
But they provide us Kerry people with great joy every year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_kwNbEpdM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf_kwNbEpdM&feature=related)
As for the cupan tae incident Piller might want to have a chat with one of his colleagues in Blue before saying such thing dont happen at Dublin games. Just listen to the tools on the hill here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hES9I31QGM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hES9I31QGM&feature=related)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on April 21, 2008, 10:00:22 PM
The Jackeens try to be a bit like the Lions in 1974 when Willie John McBride called the famous 99 move, "one in all in"
Ah yes. Magnificent. Sly kicks and punches in the back of the head all round. Lidginds.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on April 21, 2008, 10:00:22 PM
The Jackeens try to be a bit like the Lions in 1974 when Willie John McBride called the famous 99 move, "one in all in"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EwTel67EdI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EwTel67EdI&feature=related)
So
that's what Pillar's being using as the centrepiece of his pre-match pep-talk since 2005! ;)
I thought the Dubs were more akin to the Springboks there.
The nr 8 swings one like Whelan.
Tommy Carr was saying tonight on Newstalk that he expects a lot of hefty suspensions (two months) to be handed down to many of those in the brawl after the CCCC look at the video evidence. By his reckoning the Dub guys would miss one Championship match and the Meath lads two matches.
On another note: Paul Caffrey really has to take responsibility for the indiscipline in the guys he sends out on to the pitch - instead of congratulating them (Vaughan) when they get sent off.
Apparently Dublin have received nine red cards since Jan (O'Byrne & NFL) and had a Statistician suspended for head-butting.
That speaks for itself. It is not good enough - and there we are lecturing the Aussies about conduct on the pitch!!!!!
The Dubs have too many yahoos and hangers-on connected to the team. If Vaughan had have done down O'Connell Street on a Saturday night what he did against Monaghan, Caffrey would have had to arrest him and charge him with assault
true but damien freeman but would have been in the cell beside him- can't have it both ways on that one.
Quote from: Bensars on April 21, 2008, 10:18:51 AM
Quote from: stephenite on April 21, 2008, 04:07:33 AM
There have been too many incidents like this from Dublin over the last few years, and I really think that the Manager has to bear responsibility for this. It seems that Pillar has them wound up too tightly without the smarts to teach them how to control their agression - fine line between controlled agression, toughness etc. and all out brawls. Their disciplinary record over the last 3-4 years would not be a pretty read (don't have the stats to hand)
Dublin have some fine footballers and I think with a different manager most of these players would have at least one All Ireland medal by now - but they appear to wilt under sustained pressure in games that they should be winning, especially in the championship, the word has been out these last number of years on how to beat Dublin, get them even more wound up than Pillar has them and they'll lose the head.
Agree 100% with what you have said.
It is also refreshing to see a Dublin supporter with a rational balanced view of the events.
Are you calling me a Dublin supporter? I'll burst the head off ya you f**king culchie ;)
Quote from: red hander on April 21, 2008, 11:19:45 PM
The Dubs have too many yahoos and hangers-on connected to the team. If Vaughan had have done down O'Connell Street on a Saturday night what he did against Monaghan, Caffrey would have had to arrest him and charge him with assault
Hit someone a fair shoulder on O'Connell Street on a saturday night and you will be charged with assault.
Quote from: red hander on April 21, 2008, 11:19:45 PM
The Dubs have too many yahoos and hangers-on connected to the team. If Vaughan had have done down O'Connell Street on a Saturday night what he did against Monaghan, Caffrey would have had to arrest him and charge him with assault
Freeman had no right to be soloing with the ball inside the Dublin half. ::)
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2008, 12:11:26 AM
Hit someone a fair shoulder on O'Connell Street on a saturday night and you will be charged with assault.
Dub's definition of a fair shoulder charge includes a strike with that part of the body from the sharp outstretched elbow to the shoulder against any part of the opposition anatomy.
There's talk of 12 to 16 suspensions! Apparently the Indo has details today. I can't believe there'd be that many. I've no problem with anyone who landed a punch getting a suspension, but it would be very harsh on the majority who (it seemed to me) were just pulling and pushing and posturing.
Quote from: Hound on April 22, 2008, 07:07:47 AM
There's talk of 12 to 16 suspensions! Apparently the Indo has details today. I can't believe there'd be that many. I've no problem with anyone who landed a punch getting a suspension, but it would be very harsh on the majority who (it seemed to me) were just pulling and pushing and posturing.
The precedent is there though when it comes to mass brawls - Mayo and Meath in '96 AIF ; Dubs and Tyrone up in Omagh both had a heap of suspensions when the majprioty only seemed to pushing and jostling. Liam McHale got 2 months for jumping over someone and then getting the head bate off him in 96 ::)
I think with the Championship coming up the opportunity might be taken to throw the book and lay down a marker for the Summer, this "one in - all in" lark has to be punished regardless of whether or not any punches were landed
Quote from: stephenite on April 22, 2008, 07:20:00 AM
Quote from: Hound on April 22, 2008, 07:07:47 AM
There's talk of 12 to 16 suspensions! Apparently the Indo has details today. I can't believe there'd be that many. I've no problem with anyone who landed a punch getting a suspension, but it would be very harsh on the majority who (it seemed to me) were just pulling and pushing and posturing.
The precedent is there though when it comes to mass brawls - Mayo and Meath in '96 AIF ; Dubs and Tyrone up in Omagh both had a heap of suspensions when the majprioty only seemed to pushing and jostling. Liam McHale got 2 months for jumping over someone and then getting the head bate off him in 96 ::)
I think with the Championship coming up the opportunity might be taken to throw the book and lay down a marker for the Summer, this "one in - all in" lark has to be punished regardless of whether or not any punches were landed
The rules have changed since even Tyrone v Dublin, so I think any precendents will matter - what the GAA will be doing is trying to set a precedent. Certainly, if it wasnt my team involved, I'd be in full agreement with your final paragraph! Dublin and Meath both agree that what happened was wrong and they are prepared to take their medicine, but I think the GAA need to play it smartly. If they go OTT and ban 16 lads, and many of them for feck all (in the eyes of Dub and MH), then lenghty appeals will be inevitable. Ideally I'd like to see a common sense approach whereby the GAA, Dublin and Meath should all sit down together, agree that all the lads who deserve suspensions get suspensions, no appeals, and move on.
From the disgraceful rag itself
Tuesday April 22 2008
Dublin and Meath have had the book thrown at them in sensational fashion for Sunday's Parnell Park melee.
An unprecedented number of proposed suspensions and fines for both County Boards were handed out in record quick time as the GAA took its toughest line yet in promising to root out indiscipline.
Sixteen players, eight from each side, including the five sent off in the first 15 minutes by referee Paddy Russell, have been hit with proposed suspensions ranging from four to eight weeks.
Ciaran Whelan, Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn, Dermot Connolly, Paddy Andrews, and Ross McConnell are among the eight Dublin players facing the prospect of between one and two months on the sidelines.
Reeling
Meath were left reeling from a similar set of proposed suspensions as Darren Fay, Seamus Kenny, Niall McKeigue, Nigel Crawford and team captain Brendan Murphy were hit with possible two-month bans while Caoimhin King, Shane McAnarney and Peadar Byrne are facing a month on the sidelines. McKeigue and McAnarney were sent off for their part in the melee on Sunday.
Both County Boards were informed of the proposed suspensions yesterday evening and have the option of personal hearings to clear their names or acceptance of the terms of the proposals.
Unless Dublin are successful in appealing some of the proposed suspensions they will be without nine players for Saturday night's Allianz Division Two final against Westmeath in Navan including Alan Brogan who is under suspension for his red card in Crossmaglen.
The weight of the suspensions has the capacity to affect Meath's championship more severely as they are due to meet Carlow on May 18 with the winners facing Wexford two weeks later.
None of those facing one-month bans will miss a championship match but the potential two-month suspensions to the five Meath players incorporates both the first round and the quarter-final if they make it that far, leaving them without four front-line defenders.
In addition both County Boards were hit with record fines for the incident, some €20,000 in each case.
20,000 euro and 2 months for handbags ::)
Rumour has in their was a 20 man + all in in Armagh on Sunday can anyone confirm this?
Omagh all over again. Lots of suspensions and some of them for a few months. A visit to court. Suspension quashed. Everybody is back for the first round of the championship.
They didn't go far enough. How's a one-month suspension going to hurt them? Feck the Division 2 final.
if you read more closely o neill you'll see the word two -it comes after one.
from what i know bernard brogan and paddy andrews will get a month. connolly,flynn and mc connell are likely to get 2, and whelan probably 3. and that will hurt dublin as most of them won;t be available for the opening game agianst louth. Not much point in appealing in my view. take the punishment and move on. what price are louth?
meath are worse off though - as they are in the championship on may 18th. wonder what price carlow are?
Why is it that full details of the Meath players are available but not the Dubs?
Quote from: Barney on April 22, 2008, 08:46:15 AM
Why is it that full details of the Meath players are available but not the Dubs?
It seems the leak came from Meath, and he couldnt remember all the Dublin details.
Eugene McGee had a fair cut off the players today, and today's players, basically calling them all 'dirty'. It got me thinking. I've played against football against a lot of teams in various matches at different levels, albeit very little at Senior level, and there are only a few lads I would call 'dirty'. I would have been a corner forward, or wing forward, and the natural target for any 'dirt' that was going on. So what is 'dirt'?
I was peripherally involved in a huge row against Laois in an under 21 game, and by that I mean I got the head beaten off me as about 20 other lads beat the shite out of each other as well :D, and I still wouldn't say they were dirty. I didn't like it at the time, naturally, but I thought it was just one of these 'blow ups' that occur every so often. I met the two main Laois lads who were using me for punching practice a few weeks later, and we had a couple of pints together.
To me, dirt is off the ball punches, or knees, spitting, grabbing at your crown jewels, walking on a lads calf in front of you, dropping knees into a fella, headbutting, gouging, deliberate elbows or clotheslines or any of that sort of stuff, and that very rarely occurred. Certainly the only time I was spat at was in a Leinster Minor Championship game, I won't say which county. Other than that, very little of anything apart from jersey pulling which is just annoying.
Dirt, to me, is hitting someone that isn't expecting it, or with their back to you. Or trying to injure a helpless opponent who is on the ground or something. And in all my years playing, I've never had that myself, and have only seen it occasionaly. Certainly in a few games against teams labelled as 'dirty' like Meath or the old Laois, it has never happened. I've been bruised as feck coming off, but there was honestly no strokes that I would call dirty.
What do ye consider dirty? Do ye think Eugene McGee is right, and every row, or dust up, is by it's nature 'dirty'? I'd be interested in what ye think.
I thought we were introducing game-based rather than time-based suspensions.
I'm all for stamping out brawling. We can't allow Saturday-night-outside-the-chipper puppyism on our pitches that exist primarily as the healthy alternative to anti-social behaviour. However, the hysteria in the media is sickening, if not surprising. Even more sickening is Nicky Brennan playing to the gallery all over TV and radio yesterday and vilifying playing members of his own organisation for the titillation of the uninformed masses.
All he had to say was that rules exist and they would be applied consistently. Unfortunately, his credibility in making such a statement would be severely strained since we all know that the rules are not applied consistently but very selectively. The main determinant of the severity of sanctions seems to be whatever RTE sport and their newsroom decides to select for transmission. For instance, does anyone have any more information on the alleged mass brawl in Armagh? Whether it took place or not, you can be sure Parnell Park wasn't the only place this weekend where lads squared up to each other in numbers. Will they all get one to two month suspensions? Will Nicky Brennan be on the six o'clock news vilifying them all? Sure he will.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2008, 08:46:09 AM
if you read more closely o neill you'll see the word two -it comes after one.
from what i know bernard brogan and paddy andrews will get a month. connolly,flynn and mc connell are likely to get 2, and whelan probably 3. and that will hurt dublin as most of them won;t be available for the opening game agianst louth. Not much point in appealing in my view. take the punishment and move on. what price are louth?
meath are worse off though - as they are in the championship on may 18th. wonder what price carlow are?
I'd be surprised at Brogan getting less than 2 and Whelan getting more than 2. Not surprised at Connolly and Flynn, didnt notice McConnell. I think Andrews should be exonerated, but I doubt that will happen and he'll end up with a month (which will be costly for him as he will not be given any more starting opportunities). If the Indo info is correct, there'll also be another 2 Dubs, and I'm sure they'll want to pick an even number of Meathmen and Dubs.
I didnt pick out too many individual Meathmen at the time. There were three hanging out of Whelan at one stage. I did notice Fay and the keeper were heavily involved, and that the only involvement Geraghty had was trying to pull lads away!
Quote from: AZOffaly on April 22, 2008, 09:05:53 AM
Eugene McGee had a fair cut off the players today, and today's players, basically calling them all 'dirty'. It got me thinking. I've played against football against a lot of teams in various matches at different levels, albeit very little at Senior level, and there are only a few lads I would call 'dirty'. I would have been a corner forward, or wing forward, and the natural target for any 'dirt' that was going on. So what is 'dirt'?
I was peripherally involved in a huge row against Laois in an under 21 game, and by that I mean I got the head beaten off me as about 20 other lads beat the shite out of each other as well :D, and I still wouldn't say they were dirty. I didn't like it at the time, naturally, but I thought it was just one of these 'blow ups' that occur every so often. I met the two main Laois lads who were using me for punching practice a few weeks later, and we had a couple of pints together.
To me, dirt is off the ball punches, or knees, spitting, grabbing at your crown jewels, walking on a lads calf in front of you, dropping knees into a fella, headbutting, gouging, deliberate elbows or clotheslines or any of that sort of stuff, and that very rarely occurred. Certainly the only time I was spat at was in a Leinster Minor Championship game, I won't say which county. Other than that, very little of anything apart from jersey pulling which is just annoying.
Dirt, to me, is hitting someone that isn't expecting it, or with their back to you. Or trying to injure a helpless opponent who is on the ground or something. And in all my years playing, I've never had that myself, and have only seen it occasionaly. Certainly in a few games against teams labelled as 'dirty' like Meath or the old Laois, it has never happened. I've been bruised as feck coming off, but there was honestly no strokes that I would call dirty.
What do ye consider dirty? Do ye think Eugene McGee is right, and every row, or dust up, is by it's nature 'dirty'? I'd be interested in what ye think.
I just think its false Machismo. Here hold me back sorta stuff. These lads have a fecked up view of what a hard man is supposed to be and they act out. They see one lad, then 2 lads go in and they dont want to be left out. Its group think.
If Pillar Caffrey had any control over his players and team they would not have 9 reds and a backroom member suspended since JANUARY!
Alot of those red cards were dirty, or just plain stupid tackles/ Vaughans being the most prominent. I mean cold cocking an opponent when he is not looking is cowardly and dirty. I have no problems with 2 lads sorting it out mano o mano but on balance. Dublin seem to get the 'timing' and technique of their tackles all wrong. ???
I agree with you AZ. McGee is a rent-a-quote clown. Anyone who has played or coached at his level knows very well the difference between dirt and hardness and I agree with your definitions. I only saw the highlights of Sunday, but I didn't see anything you'd call dirty from either side. I saw ugly rowdy behaviour that we need to stamp out and lengthy suspensions are in order for that (provided they apply not just to the rows RTE decides to air). But I saw nothing to compare to the thuggery in that Lions clip.
When was the last time an eye-gouging, an ear-biting or a scrotum-stamping in rugby made the evening news?
Lads, you have to admit that Dublin had this coming to them over the past few years. We really can't be that surprised that the GAA would some day throw the book at them.
At least, these suspensions won't have any effect for the championship.
Everyone knows the dubs are easy to wind and they lose focus with temper and showing how tough they are. Ciaran Whelan nearly broke ronan macgarritys neck in the 2006 semi and was allowed to play on, then he met david brady later in the game.Not so tough then.
I remember reading the papers the morning after Tyrone beat Kerry in the semi final in 2003. As most of you remember it was hard at times but very fair. ( even the stauchest kerryman would agree to that).
McGee "rent-a-quote clown" went to town on how dirty a game it was, how cynical oit was blah balh blah.
Hes like a d list celebrity who needs controversy to survive.
For the record, the number of suspensions is far too many IMO.
Quote from: Bensars on April 22, 2008, 09:23:10 AM
I remember reading the papers the morning after Tyrone beat Kerry in the semi final in 2003. As most of you remember it was hard at times but very fair. ( even the stauchest kerryman would agree to that).
McGee "rent-a-quote clown" went to town on how dirty a game it was, how cynical oit was blah balh blah.
Hes like a d list celebrity who needs controversy to survive.
For the record, the number of suspensions is far too many IMO.
Maybe so, but are we REALLY surprised ?
it will hit dublin's opener against louth orangeman. Whelan will be done for striking hound- that's a mandatory 3 months. i'm a big fan of his but he has to take his punishment. I would be worried if i was connolly and flynn and fay and kenny from meath. because the row largely started from there. flynn and kenny are clearly seen thumping the heads off each other.i'd say the other 2 dublin players are me menamon and fennell. I think fennell may get away with it but mc menamon ran about 40 yards to get involved. Brendan murphy will get at least 2 months for nailing bernard brogan in the back. dublin will be missing about 5 for the opening game against louth by the looks of it. meath could be worse hit for the 18th may.
might bring the boots to navan on saturday we're missing 9 players!
I seen an interview with Tommy Carr last night and i think he hit the nail on the head. Paraphrasing it was along the lines of, Dublin had been considered to have a soft underbelly and in crucial matches lost a lead or advantage. To overcome this they adopted a more physical approach, however confusing physical strength with mental strength, for which they have overcompensated and are now paying the cost
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2008, 09:36:08 AM
it will hit dublin's opener against louth orangeman. Whelan will be done for striking hound- that's a mandatory 3 months. i'm a big fan of his but he has to take his punishment. I would be worried if i was connolly and flynn and fay and kenny from meath. because the row largely started from there. flynn and kenny are clearly seen thumping the heads off each other.i'd say the other 2 dublin players are me menamon and fennell. I think fennell may get away with it but mc menamon ran about 40 yards to get involved. Brendan murphy will get at least 2 months for nailing bernard brogan in the back. dublin will be missing about 5 for the opening game against louth by the looks of it. meath could be worse hit for the 18th may.
might bring the boots to navan on saturday we're missing 9 players!
But Dublin and Meath should still have enough in reserve - After this episode, Dublin will have learned their lesson and I now believe that this could be a blessing in disguise for them. It wouldn't surprise me if Dublin were still competing for major honours in September !
I thought striking was a one month suspension with 3 months for kicking? Maybe I'm wrong tho.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2008, 09:36:08 AM
Whelan will be done for striking hound- that's a mandatory 3 months.
I thought it was a mandatory 8 weeks?
I know you can certainly get more than the minimum, but I hope thats not the case. Plenty of 1 and 2 months, but nobody getting anything longer than that might be an alright compromise to ensure there are no appeals. As has been mentioned by most of the reasonable people on this thread, while there is a need for punishment, and a need to be seen to punish, there also has to be balance.
It depends on the force involved in the strike and the part of the body used. Look up the rule book to be sure.
Quote from: Hound on April 22, 2008, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 22, 2008, 09:36:08 AM
Whelan will be done for striking hound- that's a mandatory 3 months.
I thought it was a mandatory 8 weeks?
I know you can certainly get more than the minimum, but I hope thats not the case. Plenty of 1 and 2 months, but nobody getting anything longer than that might be an alright compromise to ensure there are no appeals. As has been mentioned by most of the reasonable people on this thread, while there is a need for punishment, and a need to be seen to punish, there also has to be balance.
CCC in their own minds are probably balancing the books for former Dublin / Meath idiscretions and it might be a way of bringing in the crowds for the championsip - there'll be a full house in Navan on Saturday night for sure !
According to Ian O'Riordan (a guy who really doesnt like Whelo!) in the Times:
- straight red card = mandatory 4 weeks
"contributing to a melee" = mandatory 4 weeks
"inflicting reckless injury" = mandatory 8 weeks
"misconduct considered to discredit the association = mandatory 8 weeks
"Mandatory" and "minimum" seem interchangeable.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 21, 2008, 06:12:35 PM
disagree entirely lynchboy it's to organised and too often for that. dates bac to 2003 for everyone's interest when armagh beat us in the qualifiers and t lyons kept the players back going into the dressing room and let armagh in first half time at. dublin lost and were accused of being pussies - since then it's any row or aggro and everyone is in despite the consequences. absolutely no backing down regardless of what has to be done. and such a policy is biting us in the ass now.
the reality is though as well some teasm see us as fair game and engage in the off the ball stuff and verbals until someone reacts. but i'm pissing in the wind here trying to get a reasoned debate on that here. dublin and meath generally are tough physical encounters with some decent football, meath fans in general know their stuff so i usually enjoy the occasions not like some of the fans from some counties north of the border. both sets of fans weren't happy with what went on and it ruined the day and game.
the verbals off the ball from both sides yesterday started before the throw in, it's a nasty element of the game that appears to be univesal now. Caffrey has to get a grip- i heard strong talk from a very good source within the gaa there could be up to 10 suspensions between the 2 teams.
certainly the Dublin team have decided that they will never be pushed over again, which is the hard man attitude that has spilled over into the row with Tyrone and the equally handbag-ical eruption against meath on sunday.
If a pre-medidtated row was synchronised or rehearsed, you would have had a different type of way about it on sunday.
I def cannot see Caffrey setting up something like that, and it did not look like that - if anything the Tyrone one was somewhat pre-meditated.
But sundays effort- no way.
Paul Caffrey wants his teams to play hard and front up, but he wouldnt organise that (talty might but doesnt have looked like an organised effort).
Whats the motivation, meath are no threat to dublin any more. Certainly not at the moment. If Dublin were reduced to fighting, then Meath would have a better chance of winning imo - so the team with motivation to start a fight would be the royals. But they did not.
None of them would back down.
It was a spectacle that will put bums on seats for a while now, but the suspensions that should be handed out should remind ALL PLAYERS that while it is a physical game and fights happen, if you get caught, you will be punished heavily. These things have a consequence.
What would the Dublin team be if all the suspensions stand up?
Would they still be good enough to beat Westmeath?
Quote from: lynchbhoy on April 22, 2008, 10:06:15 AM
certainly the Dublin team have decided that they will never be pushed over again, which is the hard man attitude that has spilled over into the row with Tyrone and the equally handbag-ical eruption against meath on sunday.
This is all that gobsh*te Tommy Lyons fault!
Quote from: blanketattack on April 22, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
Would they still be good enough to beat Westmeath?
11 will do us against Westmeath.
You cant blame a former manager for the current panel of players attitude and discpline ( or lack of )
Quote from: Hound on April 22, 2008, 10:50:56 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on April 22, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
Would they still be good enough to beat Westmeath?
11 will do us against Westmeath.
And you wonder why some people would like to see the Dubs beat ::)
Did you get that oul sense of humour bypass bensars?
Hound
In the words of Kevin Keegan
"I would love it"
i'm not but it's a general agreement he was a selector under that regime so its carried on from there. Westmeath are missing dolan on sunday- if they had him i think they'd beat us- great defence and good midfield but glennon can't do it on his own for them.
heard quinn is one of the others- looked like he was trying to break it up- to me he didn't hit anyone wouldn;t be the type. pretty sure the other is mc menamon.
i think all of them bar maybe quinn and ross will get 2 months. andrews shouldered one in the back. flynn and kenny were thumping each other, murphy and brogan the same, connolly and fay and mc keigue kicked it off. don't know what ross did don;t think it was much though. whelan would be happy with 2. the reason a lot of them will get 2 regardless of whether they deserve it is because if they don't miss one championship game there will be an outcry.
Quote from: Bensars on April 22, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
You cant blame a former manager for the current panel of players attitude and discpline ( or lack of )
If he had let them go down the shagging tunnel we wouldn't be in this mess.
Quote from: blanketattack on April 22, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
What would the Dublin team be if all the suspensions stand up?
Would they still be good enough to beat Westmeath?
Just to be clear to any of the top 2 inch (as Indiana nicely put it, in another contect) brigade , I don't really think we'd beat Westmeath will only 11 men!
But I think we could still give them a game with the proposed suspensions. Two defenders down (McConnell and Andrews), and we've Cahill and Casey to come back. Also O'Shaughnessy might have recovered from injury. Not sure whether it would be Cahill or Henry handed the no.3 jersey. Murray could be given another chance either.
Midfield would be Ryan and Fennell. If Fennell is one of the suspended, then we'd have to call on Darren Magee I suppose - some Dubs think he can still do a job.
Up front we have Vaughan and Keaney to come in, and Bonner if we need a third. After that I think we're into Ray Cosgrove territory!
There's no doubt we'd miss the Brogans, and we may have a bit of a hole in midfield if each of Whelan, Flynn and Fennell go, but we'd still go in with confidence of being competitive. Have to hand it to Westmeath, they clearly improved a helluva lot since their games with us earlier, and beating Mon in Clones is not something I would have fancied a full strength Dublin of doing.
Quote from: Hound on April 22, 2008, 11:05:15 AM
Quote from: blanketattack on April 22, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
What would the Dublin team be if all the suspensions stand up?
Would they still be good enough to beat Westmeath?
Just to be clear to any of the top 2 inch (as Indiana nicely put it, in another contect) brigade , I don't really think we'd beat Westmeath will only 11 men!
But I think we could still give them a game with the proposed suspensions. Two defenders down (McConnell and Andrews), and we've Cahill and Casey to come back. Also O'Shaughnessy might have recovered from injury. Not sure whether it would be Cahill or Henry handed the no.3 jersey. Murray could be given another chance either.
Midfield would be Ryan and Fennell. If Fennell is one of the suspended, then we'd have to call on Darren Magee I suppose - some Dubs think he can still do a job.
Up front we have Vaughan and Keaney to come in, and Bonner if we need a third. After that I think we're into Ray Cosgrove territory!
There's no doubt we'd miss the Brogans, and we may have a bit of a hole in midfield if each of Whelan, Flynn and Fennell go, but we'd still go in with confidence of being competitive. Have to hand it to Westmeath, they clearly improved a helluva lot since their games with us earlier, and beating Mon in Clones is not something I would have fancied a full strength Dublin of doing.
Quinn and Fennell are the other two.
Fecking whingeing shower of women the lot of ye.
This thread has gone pathetic.
The fight wasnt nice, suspensions will be given out, and accepted, now will ye all stop crying over it ;)
Whelan, Brogan, Connolly and Flynn have got two months and four others have got one month, according to Dublin County Board as quoted on RTE Radio 1 news just now. The news, I said, not the sports news! The Co. board has also been fined - I didn't catch the amount.
Meath Co. board has been fined the same amount. No word from Meath of who (if anyone :) ) has been suspended.
€20,000 each Hardy.
Just announced now - five Meath players get eight weeks, including Kenny, Crawford, McKeigue and four get 4 weeks, including Fay.
Totally outrageous, of course, since the aggression came from Dublin, in a continuation of their behaviour throughout the league and the Meath lads have been punished for defending themselves. What were they supposed to do - stand there and be hammered?
Quote from: Hardy on April 22, 2008, 01:43:04 PM
Just announced now - five Meath players get eight weeks, including Kenny, Crawford, McKeigue and four get 4 weeks, including Fay.
Totally outrageous, of course, since the aggression came from Dublin, in a continuation of their behaviour throughout the league and the Meath lads have been punished for defending themselves. What were they supposed to do - stand there and be hammered?
Horseshit. They were just as much the agressors as Dublin.
The fines are tough. Who exactly are they punishing? Not the lads who were in the row anyways. They'll still get their grants etc etc but some poor eejits who had nothing to do with the row will have to raise the extra 20k to run the county board.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: Bensars on April 22, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
You cant blame a former manager for the current panel of players attitude and discpline ( or lack of )
If he had let them go down the shagging tunnel we wouldn't be in this mess.
There is no doubt that the change of attitude came from that half time in the qualifiers against us in Croker. T Lyons was a joke and Dublin may as well not have come out in the second half. However Pillar has taken it to the extreme. Somewhere in between is what was needed as I believe the Dubs have the tallent to win an AI but not by bringing all this attention onto themselves they now will suffer, refs will blow them for anything now.
I agree Seanie.
Heffo, have you watched the video? The only contacts made by Meathmen were Darren Fay taking his own man out of it and Murphy accidentally bumping into Brogan. The rest of it was Dublin corner-boys ganging up 3 and 4 to one on Meath players, who had no option but to defend themselves. I can't see how you can deny that (if you're still biting).
Quote from: Hardy on April 22, 2008, 01:53:35 PM
I agree Seanie.
Heffo, have you watched the video? The only contacts made by Meathmen were Darren Fay taking his own man out of it and Murphy accidentally bumping into Brogan. The rest of it was Dublin corner-boys ganging up 3 and 4 to one on Meath players, who had no option but to defend themselves. I can't see how you can deny that (if you're still biting).
Yawn....
Hardy, good one! ;D
Fishing aside its quite clear that there were two full teams (except Cluxton) fully willing to dive in. Nothing to do with defending themselves.
We will never sort out indiscipline in the game as long as ye keep repeating "its all the Dubs" to yerselves.
Didnt see many players running in to seperate those fighting, lets be honest.
Any word on the tea thrower, has he got banned from attending matches or what?
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on April 22, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: Bensars on April 22, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
You cant blame a former manager for the current panel of players attitude and discpline ( or lack of )
If he had let them go down the shagging tunnel we wouldn't be in this mess.
There is no doubt that the change of attitude came from that half time in the qualifiers against us in Croker. T Lyons was a joke and Dublin may as well not have come out in the second half. However Pillar has taken it to the extreme. Somewhere in between is what was needed as I believe the Dubs have the tallent to win an AI but not by bringing all this attention onto themselves they now will suffer, refs will blow them for anything now.
Dublin's attitude has certainly changed, but being involved in two melees in four years (where the other teams were just as culpable) is hardly "taking it to the extreme".
All the bullshitters and shitstirrers can spout all they want, but Dublin are no tougher/dirtier than Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Monaghan.
Lets be honest here. This is far less of a problem at county level. Happens once in a blue moon. Club level is a different kettle of fish.
Word has it two months for Whelan, Connolly, Brogan and Flynn, month each for Quinn, McConnell, Fennell and Andrew
Quote from: Hound on April 22, 2008, 01:59:00 PM
Quote from: Stevie Nicks on April 22, 2008, 01:52:43 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2008, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: Bensars on April 22, 2008, 10:52:56 AM
You cant blame a former manager for the current panel of players attitude and discpline ( or lack of )
If he had let them go down the shagging tunnel we wouldn't be in this mess.
There is no doubt that the change of attitude came from that half time in the qualifiers against us in Croker. T Lyons was a joke and Dublin may as well not have come out in the second half. However Pillar has taken it to the extreme. Somewhere in between is what was needed as I believe the Dubs have the tallent to win an AI but not by bringing all this attention onto themselves they now will suffer, refs will blow them for anything now.
Dublin's attitude has certainly changed, but being involved in two melees in four years (where the other teams were just as culpable) is hardly "taking it to the extreme".
All the bullshitters and shitstirrers can spout all they want, but Dublin are no tougher/dirtier than Kerry, Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Monaghan.
In fairness the dubs are building up some list of ill discipline. Not my list by the way but it certainly highlights the now many incidents.
1. Pillar with his childish dig on John Morrison prior to the 2006 All Ireland semi. Ray Boyne stats man involved in this squabble
2. Battle of Omagh February 2006
3. Pillar having words with Ryan McMenanmin on the sideline after he was sent off league 07
4. Shane Ryan and others smirking at opponents after they get a score in last years championship. Brogan and Bonnar et al pointing at scoreboard and making all sorts of gestures in dying stages of Leinster Final. Dublin seem to be at this lark much more than other teams.
5. Declan O'Mahony throwing fists and kicks in a completely needless fashion in an OByrne Cup game v Carlow in January 2008
6. Vaughan and Cullen sent off v Monaghan. Vaughan blow very dirty no matter how you look at it. Pat on the back from pillar when he comes to the sideline
7. Stats man assaults player at end of Monaghan game
8. Captain Alan Brogan on pitch v Armagh for less than 10 mins when he gets straight red
10. Pillar on news saying Dublin dont have dirty players last week
11. 3 sent off by half time on straight red cards a few days later. One is Ciaran Whelan who amazingly got away with striking Meath and Westmeath players with haymakers in the recent past during big championship games
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In fairness the dubs are building up some list of ill discipline. Not my list by the way but it certainly highlights the now many incidents.
1. Pillar with his childish dig on John Morrison prior to the 2006 All Ireland semi. Ray Boyne stats man involved in this squabble
2. Battle of Omagh February 2006
3. Pillar having words with Ryan McMenanmin on the sideline after he was sent off league 07
4. Shane Ryan and others smirking at opponents after they get a score in last years championship. Brogan and Bonnar et al pointing at scoreboard and making all sorts of gestures in dying stages of Leinster Final. Dublin seem to be at this lark much more than other teams.
5. Declan O'Mahony throwing fists and kicks in a completely needless fashion in an OByrne Cup game v Carlow in January 2008
6. Vaughan and Cullen sent off v Monaghan. Vaughan blow very dirty no matter how you look at it. Pat on the back from pillar when he comes to the sideline
7. Stats man assaults player at end of Monaghan game
8. Captain Alan Brogan on pitch v Armagh for less than 10 mins when he gets straight red
10. Pillar on news saying Dublin dont have dirty players last week
11. 3 sent off by half time on straight red cards a few days later. One is Ciaran Whelan who amazingly got away with striking Meath and Westmeath players with haymakers in the recent past during big championship games
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I take the point that Dublin have a discipline problem. But whoever's list that is, some of the entries are frankly pathetic. How is #10 an instance of lack of discipline? And Pillar "having words" with McMen?
Pointing at the scoreboard doesn't strike me as an example of lack of discipline either. It's a lot better than allowing yourself to get drawn into a fight.
Has this been posted yet?
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http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/?jp=mhojidqlgbau&c=gaa%
Sixteen face suspensions after Dublin-Meath violence 22/04/2008 - 13:26:00
A record 16 players are set to be suspended in the wake of the violence that marred Dublin's National Football League clash with Meath at Parnell Park on Sunday.
The GAA's Central Competitions Control Committee informed both county boards of the suspensions last night.
Ciaran Whelan, Bernard Brogan, Paul Flynn, Dermot Connolly, Paddy Andrews and Ross McConnell are reportedly among eight Dublin players set to be banned.
Meath stars Shane McAnarney, Darren Fay, Seamus Kenny, Niall McKeigue, Nigel Crawford, Caoimhin King, Peadar Byrne and Brendan Murphy are also facing four to eight weeks on the sidelines.
The fighting helped bring a great atmosphere to Parnell by the looks of it for a league game (apart from the dick throwing tea), I'm sure the whole country will be even more eager to see the two counties face off in the Championship in the summer.
16 suspensions seems a bit ridiculous, there was punches thrown by a few but thats over the top.
"Contributing to a melee", I presume.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on April 22, 2008, 03:02:12 PM
In fairness the dubs are building up some list of ill discipline. Not my list by the way but it certainly highlights the now many incidents.
Pillar having words with Ryan McMenanmin on the sideline after he was sent off league 07
Shane Ryan and others smirking at opponents after they get a score in last years championship.
Vaughan and Cullen sent off v Monaghan
Yep, having words with a player who just kicked a man on the ground is deplorable.
As is smirking.
And as for guys getting sent of for two yellow cards, well they should bring back execution! ::)
Ridiculous shite coming out on this thread, I said it before, ye culchies are going soft :D
Feckin scumbags the bleedin lot of them. All ye Dubs are the bloody same!! Isn't that right his holiness?And Meath fellas aren't much better it seems. :D
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on April 22, 2008, 05:39:36 PM
Feckin scumbags the bleedin lot of them. All ye Dubs are the bloody same!! Isn't that right his holiness?And Meath fellas aren't much better it seems. :D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I still think the Louth/Laois championship brawl from years back is the daddy of all intercounty rows. I remember one of the subs was particularly handy! :o
hardy i've a number there for specsavers if you want. Murphy levelled brogan with a cheap shoulder in the back and then legged it. jesus meath have become awful softies since the 80's, the likes of lyons and harnan must be foaming at the mouth watching their lads getting the shit kicked out of them and then being beaten by 12 men. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
time to move on i think.
Murphy didn't "leg it" anywhere after he burst Brogan. He went after Jayo! Brogan had it coming anyway. Its not like he was just standing around minding his own business. He was flailing around like a deranged octopus.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2008, 07:04:35 PM
I still think the Louth/Laois championship brawl from years back is the daddy of all intercounty rows. I remember one of the subs was particularly handy! :o
Couldn't agree more that was a right good fight the one on sunday was only handbags. With all these suspensions put your money on a Laois v Louth Leinster Final. .! ;)
That is a severe reaction by the Gaa.
If they consistantly punish teams involved in melees equally severely from now then I applaud the suspensions. If however players escape due to appeals or if the next row in Connacht, Munster or Ulster, hurling or football, is not punished as severely then the suspensions are a waste of time.
Quote from: Rav67 on April 22, 2008, 03:25:43 PM
The fighting helped bring a great atmosphere to Parnell by the looks of it for a league game (apart from the dick throwing tea), I'm sure the whole country will be even more eager to see the two counties face off in the Championship in the summer.
Have to agree with this, the atmosphere was electric for the rest of the game.
Im not going to say much on the so called 'brawl' because I think the whole thing is blown out of proportion, hardly any digs thrown, couple of shoulders in the back alright which I didnt like.
I was more disappointed with the Meath performance. A man up and they were poor, they were so lucky to get anywhere near them. Only players to come out with any bit of credibility were Harrington and possibly King.
It was the first time I had seen the Dubs and I have to say there were some storming performances, Fennel and midfield could be the new hero of the hill, David Henry was excellent. Ross McConnell, cleaned Joe Sheridan out of it even though Joe still came out with 1.1. Connolly was on form and im not sure any fullback could have kept him quiet with the amount off room that was on the field.
Very hard for a full back to defend when there is nothing but empty space to shepherd the full forward into. I'd imagine most Dubs have enough knowledge of the game to know that it is extremely unlikely Connolly would have had the upper hand if Fay hadn't lost his 2 cornerbacks after 4 minutes.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 22, 2008, 07:30:48 PM
Murphy didn't "leg it" anywhere after he burst Brogan. He went after Jayo! Brogan had it coming anyway. Its not like he was just standing around minding his own business. He was flailing around like a deranged octopus.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
All things consdiered I think the punishment did not fit the crime - I think it was very harsh and they made an example of Dublin and Meath -
I wonder has Fergal Logan been contactec yet ???
€ 20K fines are over the top as well.
(http://www.dcist.com/attachments/dcist_martin/Helen%20Lovejoy.JPG)
Stupid thing for both counties to lose players and money over.
As I said before, I have no problem with tough sanctions. But if there's another all-in at any match this Summer and the same punishments are not applied, because it doesn't make the news, then we know where we stand with this GAA administration and its continual knee-bending to external pressure, be it from the Joe Duffy front or the GPA.
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2008, 08:46:53 AM
As I said before, I have no problem with tough sanctions. But if there's another all-in at any match this Summer and the same punishments are not applied, because it doesn't make the news, then we know where we stand with this GAA administration and its continual knee-bending to external pressure, be it from the Joe Duffy front or the GPA.
Although we might have had different views on Dublin I totally agree with you here - Joe Duffy and Ray Darcy and Nicky Brennan I believe encouraged these suspensions and fines - I can't see similar action being taken against a team in July or August.
Dublin's Ciaran Whelan has revealed that he won't be appealing the eight-week suspension handed down to him in the wake of Sunday's Parnell Park brawl.
Suspensions ranging from between four and eight weeks have been proposed for 16 players from Dublin and Meath, but Whelan confirmed on Tuesday that he won't be taking up the option of challenging the Central Competitions Control Committee's ruling.
The veteran midfielder was one of 29 players involved in the early mass brawl, and was issued with a straight red card minutes later for lashing out at Meath half back Seamus Kenny.
His decision not to appeal his sentence means he will now miss Saturday's NFL Division 2 final against Westmeath and the Leinster championship quarter-final against Louth on June 8.
"I fully accept that my actions in retaliating to a Meath player on Sunday were unacceptable and I fully accept and deal with the consequences," he said.
"Sunday's game was a tense affair and, in the heat of battle, players can sometimes see the red mist and take irrational actions which are regrettable," the Raheny clubman added.
Get it up on youtube! I'd love to see it again, even though we all obviously abhor such terrible violence.
Ah lads, will ye think of the children!
Quote from: magpie seanie on April 23, 2008, 02:08:39 PM
Ah lads, will ye think of the children!
The children would love to see it !
Better to desensitise them now.
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2008, 08:46:53 AM
As I said before, I have no problem with tough sanctions. But if there's another all-in at any match this Summer and the same punishments are not applied,
The acid test would be a similar brawl in an all-Ireland semi-final. Not sure I could see the GAA banning 8 or so players for the final...
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on April 23, 2008, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2008, 08:46:53 AM
As I said before, I have no problem with tough sanctions. But if there's another all-in at any match this Summer and the same punishments are not applied,
The acid test would be a similar brawl in an all-Ireland semi-final. Not sure I could see the GAA banning 8 or so players for the final...
There's absolutely NO WAY this would happen - but who says Dublin will get that far this year ??? ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2008, 08:46:53 AM
As I said before, I have no problem with tough sanctions. But if there's another all-in at any match this Summer and the same punishments are not applied, because it doesn't make the news, then we know where we stand with this GAA administration and its continual knee-bending to external pressure, be it from the Joe Duffy front or the GPA.
Sure there was one on Sunday in Crossmaglen - I haven't heard the long list of suspensions arising out of that one yet
Sure I know. What happens if somebody take a case to the DRA about selective application of the rules?
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2008, 05:03:55 PM
Sure I know. What happens if somebody take a case to the DRA about selective application of the rules?
If Dublin or Meath were to do that then they'd be savaged in the press for not 'accepting their medicine'..
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 04:58:04 PM
Sure there was one on Sunday in Crossmaglen - I haven't heard the long list of suspensions arising out of that one yet
Funny this was mentioned a day or so ago and nobody said a word about it.
Surely there was someone reading this thread who was at the game and can clarify?
There was plenty of ye at the Dubs game, or do ye only go to the free games ;)
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2008, 05:03:55 PM
Sure I know. What happens if somebody take a case to the DRA about selective application of the rules?
If Dublin or Meath were to do that then they'd be savaged in the press for not 'accepting their medicine'..
Tyrone do it all the time, so why not Dublin ? ;) :D
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 23, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 04:58:04 PM
Sure there was one on Sunday in Crossmaglen - I haven't heard the long list of suspensions arising out of that one yet
Funny this was mentioned a day or so ago and nobody said a word about it.
Surely there was someone reading this thread who was at the game and can clarify?
There was plenty of ye at the Dubs game, or do ye only go to the free games ;)
Would it not be in the referees report if there was a brawl?
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2008, 05:03:55 PM
Sure I know. What happens if somebody take a case to the DRA about selective application of the rules?
If Dublin or Meath were to do that then they'd be savaged in the press for not 'accepting their medicine'..
Some of the Dublin and Meath players have indeed accepted their medicine but a number from both sides have also requested personal hearings. Dead right too. You can't just give a fella a 2 month suspension for grabbing hold of someone FFS. Bizarrely enough, Bernard Brogan is apparently one of those appealing his suspension.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 23, 2008, 05:48:07 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 05:28:48 PM
Quote from: Hardy on April 23, 2008, 05:03:55 PM
Sure I know. What happens if somebody take a case to the DRA about selective application of the rules?
If Dublin or Meath were to do that then they'd be savaged in the press for not 'accepting their medicine'..
Some of the Dublin and Meath players have indeed accepted their medicine but a number from both sides have also requested personal hearings. Dead right too. You can't just give a fella a 2 month suspension for grabbing hold of someone FFS. Bizarrely enough, Bernard Brogan is apparently one of those appealing his suspension.
For once I agree with you. Some of the players on both sides are dead right to ask for personal hearings, if only to see what evidence is against and how exactly their name was drawn from a hat.
Can't see what grounds Bernard 'Haymaker' Brogan has for appealing though
Quote from: AFS on April 23, 2008, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 23, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 04:58:04 PM
Sure there was one on Sunday in Crossmaglen - I haven't heard the long list of suspensions arising out of that one yet
Funny this was mentioned a day or so ago and nobody said a word about it.
Surely there was someone reading this thread who was at the game and can clarify?
There was plenty of ye at the Dubs game, or do ye only go to the free games ;)
The 'brawl' in Cross only involved about 6 or 7 players, not 29. It was an absolute non event. Just a couple of fellas shouldering each other, hardly even a push or two in the middle of it, never mind any punches. To compare it to events in Parnell Park is ridiculous. Where did this comparison arise from? Anyone that saw the two incidents would know know better. Smacks of some Dub/Meathman clutching at straws.
So are the disciplinary rules only to be applied for incidents involving more than a certain number of players?
Quote from: AFS on April 23, 2008, 07:26:51 PM
The 'brawl' in Cross only involved about 6 or 7 players, not 29. It was an absolute non event. Just a couple of fellas shouldering each other, hardly even a push or two in the middle of it, never mind any punches. To compare it to events in Parnell Park is ridiculous. Where did this comparison arise from? Anyone that saw the two incidents would know know better. Smacks of some Dub/Meathman clutching at straws.
Wasnt comparing, was asking for more details about it.
Quote from: AFS on April 23, 2008, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 23, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 04:58:04 PM
Sure there was one on Sunday in Crossmaglen - I haven't heard the long list of suspensions arising out of that one yet
Funny this was mentioned a day or so ago and nobody said a word about it.
Surely there was someone reading this thread who was at the game and can clarify?
There was plenty of ye at the Dubs game, or do ye only go to the free games ;)
The 'brawl' in Cross only involved about 6 or 7 players, not 29. It was an absolute non event. Just a couple of fellas shouldering each other, hardly even a push or two in the middle of it, never mind any punches. To compare it to events in Parnell Park is ridiculous. Where did this comparison arise from? Anyone that saw the two incidents would know know better. Smacks of some Dub/Meathman clutching at straws.
According to the Indo:
"Up to 20 players also got caught up in a melee in the NFL game between Armagh and Cork at Crossmaglen in a surprising melee, considering this game, "
The Independent is a fine and balanced paper that always remains objective and never engages in hyperbole.
There wasn't one punch thrown in Crossmaglen
You don't have to throw a punch to get suspended. Apparently.
Quote from: AFS on April 23, 2008, 11:16:51 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 10:02:04 PM
Quote from: AFS on April 23, 2008, 07:26:51 PM
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 23, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
Quote from: heffo on April 23, 2008, 04:58:04 PM
Sure there was one on Sunday in Crossmaglen - I haven't heard the long list of suspensions arising out of that one yet
Funny this was mentioned a day or so ago and nobody said a word about it.
Surely there was someone reading this thread who was at the game and can clarify?
There was plenty of ye at the Dubs game, or do ye only go to the free games ;)
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stir shit or advocating any sanctions against either team, but if approx 8 players from Dublin & Meath are going to be banned for a month, allegedly for contributing or involvement in a melee, then they're justified to ask for a personal hearing and point out the inconsistency..
The 'brawl' in Cross only involved about 6 or 7 players, not 29. It was an absolute non event. Just a couple of fellas shouldering each other, hardly even a push or two in the middle of it, never mind any punches. To compare it to events in Parnell Park is ridiculous. Where did this comparison arise from? Anyone that saw the two incidents would know know better. Smacks of some Dub/Meathman clutching at straws.
According to the Indo:
"Up to 20 players also got caught up in a melee in the NFL game between Armagh and Cork at Crossmaglen in a surprising melee, considering this game, "
The Independent is a fine and balanced paper that always remains objective and never engages in hyperbole.
:D. Anyway the Armagh Cork game was so lacking in intensity that it would have been a 'suprise' if there was a tackle in the first 60 minutes. After that there was a bit of make-up bags ( :-\ tried to find a metaphor for something smaller than a handbag) but nothing like the other game. The 'brawl' was such a non event that even Didier Drogba would have been embarrassed to go down in the middle of it.
if the game is on tv there are sanctions- if not there aren't. it;s unfair but that is the way it's always been as the use of video evidence if available is allowable. i'd really prefer if our management would shut the fook up now and just take the bloody bans. of the 4 2month bans only bernard brogan and ciaran whelan could be described as regulars. if we haved any ambitions of challneging kerry then we should stilll be able to beat louth. i wouldn;t bother my arse appealing a 4 week ban to play in a nothing game on saturday, they won't know until sat whether they can play which mentally will hardly be any preparation for them.
Quote from: INDIANA on April 24, 2008, 11:05:56 AM
if the game is on tv there are sanctions- if not there aren't. it;s unfair but that is the way it's always been as the use of video evidence if available is allowable. i'd really prefer if our management would shut the fook up now and just take the bloody bans. of the 4 2month bans only bernard brogan and ciaran whelan could be described as regulars. if we haved any ambitions of challneging kerry then we should stilll be able to beat louth. i wouldn;t bother my arse appealing a 4 week ban to play in a nothing game on saturday, they won't know until sat whether they can play which mentally will hardly be any preparation for them.
If you really want to add to the siege mentality, appeal, get the appeals thrown out and then say : I told you they're all out to get us !!!!!!!
Quote from: INDIANA on April 24, 2008, 11:05:56 AM
if the game is on tv there are sanctions- if not there aren't. it;s unfair but that is the way it's always been as the use of video evidence if available is allowable. i'd really prefer if our management would shut the fook up now and just take the bloody bans. of the 4 2month bans only bernard brogan and ciaran whelan could be described as regulars. if we haved any ambitions of challneging kerry then we should stilll be able to beat louth. i wouldn;t bother my arse appealing a 4 week ban to play in a nothing game on saturday, they won't know until sat whether they can play which mentally will hardly be any preparation for them.
Quoteif we haved any ambitions of challneging kerry
You would nearly think Kerry have beat you in the last 3 All Ireland Finals. Your ambitions should should be be challenging (and beating ) a few teams down the pecking order.
FFS its 13 years since Dublin were in the All Ireland final.
Quote from: Bensars on April 24, 2008, 11:12:41 AM
Quote from: INDIANA on April 24, 2008, 11:05:56 AM
if the game is on tv there are sanctions- if not there aren't. it;s unfair but that is the way it's always been as the use of video evidence if available is allowable. i'd really prefer if our management would shut the fook up now and just take the bloody bans. of the 4 2month bans only bernard brogan and ciaran whelan could be described as regulars. if we haved any ambitions of challneging kerry then we should stilll be able to beat louth. i wouldn;t bother my arse appealing a 4 week ban to play in a nothing game on saturday, they won't know until sat whether they can play which mentally will hardly be any preparation for them.
Quoteif we haved any ambitions of challneging kerry
You would nearly think Kerry have beat you in the last 3 All Ireland Finals. Your ambitions should should be be challenging (and beating ) a few teams down the pecking order.
FFS its 13 years since Dublin were in the All Ireland final.
Under Pillar:
we've been beaten by the winners in 2005 and beat everything else out of sight that year - gone out in the Qtr final
we've been beaten by the finalists in 2006 and thrashed every other team we played
we've been beaten by the winners in 2007
To say that we should be challenging and beating teams further down the pecking order is exactly what we have been doing, so to not have ambitions of competing with Kerry and whoever else lays down a marker this year, is a tad ridiculous..
More to the point: Kerry are the current champions. They're the team to challenge.
If Dublin can figure out how to control their aggression and focus it into the game itself, they'll definitely be head of the pack chasing after Kerry.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 24, 2008, 03:47:42 PM
If Dublin can figure out how to control their aggression and focus it into the game itself, they'll definitely be head of the pack chasing after Kerry.
Small word but huge meaning !
Quote from: Jinxy on April 24, 2008, 03:47:42 PM
If Dublin can figure out how to control their aggression and focus it into the game itself, they'll definitely be head of the pack chasing after Kerry.
I'm surprised a Meathman is believing all the bullshít and has fallen into the trap laid by the Ulster flamers and eejits.
Its 4 or 5 years since a Dub got straight red in a championship match, granted Whelo might have been lucky in that time, but even one lad seeing a straight red in 4 or 5 years (in addition there was only one sent off for 2 yellows) is hardly a sign of uncontrolled aggression.
Screaming in opponents faces is uncontrolled aggression. It demonstrates a lack of focus. And you're right, Whelo has been VERY lucky in those 4/5 years not to get a single red card.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 25, 2008, 11:41:37 AM
Screaming in opponents faces is uncontrolled aggression.
People keep saying Dublin need to stop this or they wont win an AI.
Bull, it didnt stop Kerry.
If Dublin are good enough, which to date they havent, screaming in faces wont make a blind bit of difference.
Thats gas. You latch onto Donaghy doing it ONCE, and equate this with several Dublin players doing it systematically in every single game last season.
Christ, are people still talking about this. ::)
Quote from: thejuice on April 25, 2008, 12:04:03 PM
Christ, are people still talking about this. ::)
Are the Dubs going to get a good reception in the boozers in Navan on Saturday, or are there lynchmobs being rounded up as we speak?? ??? ;)
Ye took over the boozers in Navan long ago. This is a home game for most of ye.
Quote from: Jinxy on April 25, 2008, 12:25:47 PM
Ye took over the boozers in Navan long ago. This is a home game for most of ye.
Go on outta that. Those Dubs only moved out to Middle Earth because of the thriving underground theatre scene ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on April 25, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
Thats gas. You latch onto Donaghy doing it ONCE, and equate this with several Dublin players doing it systematically in every single game last season.
Several players, in every game last season? ::)
Keaney was at it against Meath, as was Casey (when Bray missed a free), Brogan was standing over Fay roaring at one point as well, similar craic against Laois (Vaughan, Bonner, Brogan) and Offaly, didn't notice much of it against Derry, then of course you had Cullen making a show of himself against Kerry when Declan O'Sullivan put the ball wide (and then went on to give Cullen a footballing lesson).
Quote from: Jinxy on April 25, 2008, 01:34:11 PM
Keaney was at it against Meath, as was Casey (when Bray missed a free), Brogan was standing over Fay roaring at one point as well, similar craic against Laois (Vaughan, Bonner, Brogan) and Offaly, didn't notice much of it against Derry, then of course you had Cullen making a show of himself against Kerry when Declan O'Sullivan put the ball wide (and then went on to give Cullen a footballing lesson).
I dont recall it against Meath, it didnt happen against Offaly. Laois and Kerry were the two games in which it did definately happen.
Hardly several players in every game Jinxy ::)
Look, I'm totally against that carry on, its silly, but lets not exaggerate.
Quote from: his holiness nb on April 25, 2008, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on April 25, 2008, 01:34:11 PM
Keaney was at it against Meath, as was Casey (when Bray missed a free), Brogan was standing over Fay roaring at one point as well, similar craic against Laois (Vaughan, Bonner, Brogan) and Offaly, didn't notice much of it against Derry, then of course you had Cullen making a show of himself against Kerry when Declan O'Sullivan put the ball wide (and then went on to give Cullen a footballing lesson).
I dont recall it against Meath, it didnt happen against Offaly. Laois and Kerry were the two games in which it did definately happen.
Hardly several players in every game Jinxy ::)
Look, I'm totally against that carry on, its silly, but lets not exaggerate.
It didn't happen against Ofally or Derry, don't remember it against Meath - do recall the Meath lads giving the Dub forwards a little whisper of encouragment when they were missing scores - the key for the Dubs in 2008 from now on, is to do your sledging quietly and away from the cameras, hit the deck when hit off the ball, and never hit back fairly when struck - do it slyly.
Why are we still talking about this anyway?
The Meath fans should be focusing on their own shortcomings - I hope Coyler has a different midfield for the championship, cos that pair aren't going to do anything for you..
Funny enough with all the hullabaloo over the weekend its not been mentioned about Meaths own Mark Ward walking behind the young and inexperienced Eamonn Fennell during the game roaring into his ear on several different occasions, he was at it on a few occasions throughout the game.
So thats three times Meath have played Dublin in the last year, and three times they were doing the very same thing the Dubs only have a problem with.
Glass houses are looking very brittle.
Jeez Jinxy, with the amount of crying you've been doing lately, I'd swear you have Ulster blood in you.
though I'm thankful to get an opportunity to have a dig back at all those hoors who've been fanning the flames on this thread :D
Who's crying baby? ???
It's a scientific fact that Dublin do too much mouthing. The vast majority of Dublin fans would agree with this.
As for Meaths shortcomings I'd agree that Ward and Crawford don't work as a midfield combo. The obvious solution is to put Moyles in there with Ward. Don't think it will happen though
Quote from: Jinxy on April 25, 2008, 02:27:10 PM
As for Meaths shortcomings I'd agree that Ward and Crawford don't work as a midfield combo. The obvious solution is to put Moyles in there with Ward. Don't think it will happen though
Robbing Peter to pay Paul no?
Moyles was very effective at either centre back or forward last year - do you have adequate replacements for him?
In a word? No. Centre back would be more of a problem than centre forward. I'd give Geraghty the no. 11 jersey. As for the no. 6 jersey, I think Reilly is far too pedestrian and Harrington is too light. Don't think King is the man for the job either.
Anybody read the back page of the Independent Sports section yesterday by Eamonn Sweeney in which he describes Dublin 2008 as a disgrace - can anyone post the article - it is extremely scathing !
Sweeney is a WUM. Doubt many of the Dubs would be too vexed by anything he says at this stage.
cant find that article, any idea what its title was?
Quote from: Jinxy on April 28, 2008, 11:32:50 AM
Sweeney is a WUM. Doubt many of the Dubs would be too vexed by anything he says at this stage.
Indeed. He also said that Whelan should have gotten two red cards in 2006 - Meath & Mayo
Pity we didn't play Meath in 2006.
Doubt it will happen, but can you imagine the "end of the world" cries if the Dubs somehow managed to win Sam this year?
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If the schemozzle happens on TV there's a problem - if not, then it's ok ! No double standards there are there ??? ;)
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If the schemozzle happens on TV there's a problem - if not, then it's ok ! No double standards there are there ??? ;)
No one wearing Blue and Navy is the problem
I see all our 8 week bans were upheld by the CHC as well. 5 players will now miss our first 2 championship matches (unless they go down the appeals route). What a load of bollox.
QuoteSaturday, 10th May 2008
ESB Leinster Minor Football Championship Q-Finals
Parnell Park (3.00 p.m.) Dublin v Meath
Extra Time if Necessary
I reckon we can win this one, our Minors are doing well this year.
Quote from: thejuice on April 30, 2008, 06:05:39 PM
QuoteSaturday, 10th May 2008
ESB Leinster Minor Football Championship Q-Finals
Parnell Park (3.00 p.m.) Dublin v Meath
Extra Time if Necessary
I reckon we can win this one, our Minors are doing well this year.
Is Gerry McEntee not in charge of the Dublin minors? I cant see him taking on a team if there is not good potential there. Judging by the poor state of our underage structures in general I wouldnt be counting too many chickens on this one.
The minors should get a confidence boost from their performance against Tyrone last week. From the reports it would seem that they should have closed the game out in normal time. The replay won't be till after the Dublin game I think though.
this is the best dublin team we've had for a while even though they were poor enough against kildare. meath though wiped the floor with us in the year behind this team so it will be interesting to see what happens. all i will say is that tyrone are supposed to be shit-hot this year and if meath can get that close to them then meath must be very good.
Barney Rocks young fella was born and reared in Ashbourne. His oul lad should let him tog out for Meath (as he no doubt wants to). It's terrible what parents force their kids to do these days. ;D
Looks like we're refusing our medicine,
QuoteAll five Meath players are to appeal their suspensions after the CHC upheld the original sanctions proposed for the Parnell Park melee last week.
And if they don't succeed at the appeals stage there is resolution to take their cases to the independent Disputes Resolution Authority (DRA).
Meath are understood to be pinning their hopes of winning an appeal on the presence of a Wexford official on the original CCCC investigating committee.
Under rule 144 (u) of the Official Guide officials with a vested interest in a particular case cannot sit on relevant committees.
Because Meath could potentially meet Wexford in a Leinster football quarter-final on June 1 -- provided they beat Carlow in the first round on May 18 -- Meath deemed this a "vested interest" prior to their hearings on Tuesday night. This was dismissed by the hearings committee but may prove a vital weapon as Meath move to the next stage of the process -- the Central Appeals Committee.
Last summer, Derry's Paddy Bradley successfully convinced the DRA to send his three-month suspension back to Derry for consideration on a similar basis as a regular umpire to the referee he allegedly confronted in a club game sat on the original hearings committee.
Whether the appeals committee or the DRA deem the presence of a Wexford official on an investigation committee as a "vested interest" remains to be seen. The two Meath players sent off during the game -- Niall McKeigue and Shane McAnarney -- were reported for striking, the other three -- Nigel Crawford, Brendan Murphy and Seamus Kenny were deemed to have contributed to a melee.
The five hearings lasted 90 minutes but were unsuccessful.
Meath were, however, successful in having their €20,000 fine reduced by half. Dublin didn't appeal a similar fine, a decision that has cost them €10,000.
Meath are likely to seek their appeals straight away as they set off to the Portuguese resort of Vilamoura for a five-day training break on Tuesday next.
When they return they will have just seven days left until the Carlow game and will scarcely want the shadows of a round appeals hanging over them then.
The four Dublin players who sought hearings for their proposed suspensions, Bernard Brogan, Dermot Connolly, Mossie Quinn and Paddy Andrews, will not be appealing and or taking cases to the DRA, it is understood.
I've no problem with an 8 week suspension if a player is reported for striking but "contributing to a melee" should not be an 8 week suspension. 4 weeks max.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2008, 11:03:11 AM
Barney Rocks young fella was born and reared in Ashbourne. His oul lad should let him tog out for Meath (as he no doubt wants to). It's terrible what parents force their kids to do these days. ;D
Will ya stop - sure we let you have Sean Boylan, and he was educated in Crumlin!
i suppose the difference is that while dublin don't have huge strength in depth they probably feel they have enough to be able to cope with louth missing a few players. That's probably pretty arrogant of them but that must be the line of thinking behind it.
meath's first 18 in my view is formidable but beyond that i don't think they've a lot and being without 5 players especially against wexford could mean the potential of being turned over, at the same time i think they are wasting their time, i think brennan will personally make sure they aren't turned over.
Wexford are a bit of a bogey team for us too. I wouldn't be confident playing them with anything less than our best team.
Quote from: INDIANA on May 01, 2008, 11:40:22 AM
i suppose the difference is that while dublin don't have huge strength in depth they probably feel they have enough to be able to cope with louth missing a few players. That's probably pretty arrogant of them but that must be the line of thinking behind it.
meath's first 18 in my view is formidable but beyond that i don't think they've a lot and being without 5 players especially against wexford could mean the potential of being turned over, at the same time i think they are wasting their time, i think brennan will personally make sure they aren't turned over.
Agree about Brennan. You'd have to question the thinking of those who sat on the original CCCC committee, the conflict of interest was obvious.
I sit on a disciplinary committee myself and any potential conflict of interest - is looked for straight away - you'd stand down from the hearing if there was one..
you would think the GAA would have fail safe policies in place by this stage.
Nothing suprises me anymore.
Brendan Murphy is deemed to have contributed to a melee :o
FFS, what he done was a disgrace - he could have done some serious damage
Quote from: full back on May 01, 2008, 11:57:32 AM
Brendan Murphy is deemed to have contributed to a melee :o
FFS, what he done was a disgrace - he could have done some serious damage
What did Murphy do ??
Quote from: full back on May 01, 2008, 11:57:32 AM
Brendan Murphy is deemed to have contributed to a melee :o
FFS, what he done was a disgrace - he could have done some serious damage
I'd agree, he shouldered someone from behind,
Quote from: orangeman on May 01, 2008, 12:03:05 PM
Quote from: full back on May 01, 2008, 11:57:32 AM
Brendan Murphy is deemed to have contributed to a melee :o
FFS, what he done was a disgrace - he could have done some serious damage
What did Murphy do ??
He ran from the nets about 15/20 yards and caught someone square in the back with a shoulder
Quote from: full back on May 01, 2008, 12:09:40 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 01, 2008, 12:03:05 PM
Quote from: full back on May 01, 2008, 11:57:32 AM
Brendan Murphy is deemed to have contributed to a melee :o
FFS, what he done was a disgrace - he could have done some serious damage
What did Murphy do ??
He ran from the nets about 15/20 yards and caught someone square in the back with a shoulder
I think we should move on from who did what - we all agree that there were one or two players on each side who deserved to be suspended, and that the blanket suspensions imposed were unfair.
Quote from: heffo on May 01, 2008, 12:11:50 PM
I think we should move on from who did what - we all agree that there were one or two players on each side who deserved to be suspended, and that the blanket suspensions imposed were unfair.
Indeed, but I say Murphy, of all 5 will have a harder time getting his over-turned.
Quote from: thejuice on May 01, 2008, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: heffo on May 01, 2008, 12:11:50 PM
I think we should move on from who did what - we all agree that there were one or two players on each side who deserved to be suspended, and that the blanket suspensions imposed were unfair.
Indeed, but I say Murphy, of all 5 will have a harder time getting his over-turned.
Murphy, no less than Bernard Brogan has a bit of a neck alright - if you're throwing digs, then expect a suspension.
bernard now looking for his overturned and connolly might be as well. probably a reaction to last saturdays performance. there must be some sort of a loophole, this could get very messy. personally i think the lot should take the bans and leave it at that. has the potential to be another discplinary shambles.
Why dont the GAA introduce a rule whereby if you want to play games in the association you have to abide by their rules?
Surely this would solve all this loophole sh1te.
Mind you the pr1cks used a loophole themselves when dealing with the Wexford/Cork shambles in the hurling ::)
Quote from: full back on May 01, 2008, 12:09:40 PM
Quote from: orangeman on May 01, 2008, 12:03:05 PM
Quote from: full back on May 01, 2008, 11:57:32 AM
Brendan Murphy is deemed to have contributed to a melee :o
FFS, what he done was a disgrace - he could have done some serious damage
What did Murphy do ??
He ran from the nets about 15/20 yards and caught someone square in the back with a shoulder
No big deal really is it ? 8 weeks for this and he didn't even get a good smack at somebody ?? I'd say he's gutted at this !
Quote from: INDIANA on May 01, 2008, 12:25:46 PM
bernard now looking for his overturned and connolly might be as well. probably a reaction to last saturdays performance. there must be some sort of a loophole, this could get very messy. personally i think the lot should take the bans and leave it at that. has the potential to be another discplinary shambles.
Thats easy for you to say when Meath have been punished far more severely than Dublin for the same offense.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2008, 12:36:33 PM
Thats easy for you to say when Meath have been punished far more severely than Dublin for the same offense.
Firstly, I agree, the bans should be for games, not timelines.
Secondly I dont think theres a hope in hell of these bans being overturned, theres too much bad press about people getting off on appeals and I dont think it will be allowed happen.
Thirdly, while its easy to say "sure accept your ban and get on with it", if I were the intercounty player on the verge of missing two crucial championship games for a bit of pushing and shoving (lets be honest, thats all it was for most of them), then I would be inclined to say "will I f**k, I dont deserve this ban and will seek a fairer punishment".
Quote from: Jinxy on May 01, 2008, 11:03:11 AM
Barney Rocks young fella was born and reared in Ashbourne. His oul lad should let him tog out for Meath (as he no doubt wants to). It's terrible what parents force their kids to do these days. ;D
Jinxy, what's going on wth Rock's young fella? Is McEntee's young lad playing for Dublin.
BTW, I am glad the Meath guys are appealing the suspensions. As O' Rourke pointed out Whelan's suspension should have been the benchmark for everyone elses as he was involved in the row and then got involved again. Also 5 Meath players geting the 8 weeks as opposed to 4 Dubs including Whelan probably rankles.
The young Rock lad was playing for Ballymun Kickhams U-21's the other day when they won the Dublin championship. Heard nothing about McEntee having a son playing underage for Dublin.
The aussie rules selectors down under should select the likes of Jason Akermanis & his mates, and the Irish selectors pick Ciaran Whelan & the rest of GAA's shame that think they are hard. Then the rest of us can switch off the TV and let them get on with it.
Quote from: Over the Bar on May 03, 2008, 12:06:51 AM
The aussie rules selectors down under should select the likes of Jason Akermanis & his mates, and the Irish selectors pick Ciaran Whelan & the rest of GAA's shame that think they are hard. Then the rest of us can switch off the TV and let them get on with it.
You mean like Dooher, McMenamin etc??? At least though Whelan doesn't whinge and complain when someone hits him or dive at any oppurtunity...
Just read in the Indo that Brian Farrell is out for the season after sustaining a knee injury in a club game. Fcuk, Fcuk and double Fcuk!! >:(
Heard that, fractured knee, big loss, feel for the guy.
And I heard many people tipping Nobber for the intermediate championship too, that shot to shit as well now.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 03, 2008, 12:01:04 PM
Just read in the Indo that Brian Farrell is out for the season after sustaining a knee injury in a club game. Fcuk, Fcuk and double Fcuk!! >:(
Funny I read in the Indo that after x-rays its not as bad as first feared and there is no mention of him being out for the season. Anyone shed a light on this one?
Some positive news at last! From Hoganstand.com today. Looks like Dudley jumped the gun a bit. :-\
Meath football manager Colm Coyle has dismissed any rumours of a season threatening injury to his key attacker Brian Farrell and has revealed that the Nobber clubman could be back training as early as this week.
Farrell picked up a knee injury in his club side's Championship win over St. Colmcille's in Slane last Thursday, May 1, but the knock wasn't as bad as first feared and the Royal County boss is adamant that his sharp-shooter will be training with the squad this week in the Algarve.
"I don't know where that story came from, it's just ridiculous," said Coyle
"The chances are he will be training next Thursday."
The news comes as a relief for Meath supporters as both Anthony Moyles and Shane O'Rourke are both definite to miss out on the Royal County's opening Leinster Championship clash with Carlow on May 18 through injury.
Anyone want to venture a starting line-up for Sunday week?
Am I right in say we'll be missing the following?
1. brendan murphy (serving an eight week suspension)
2. niall mckeigue (serving an eight week suspension)
3. nigel crawford (serving an eight week suspension)
4. shane mcinerney (serving an eight week suspension)
5. seamus kenny (serving an eight week suspension)
6. peader byrne (serving a four week suspension)
7. caoimhin king (serving a four week suspension)
8. darren fay (serving a four week suspension)
9. shane rourke (injured)
10. anthony moyles (injured)
11. brian farrell (maybe)
1. R Nolan? (who's our sub goalie?) ???
2. C McGill
3. M Lyons
4. E Harrington
5. C O'Connor
6. K Reilly
7. S Sheppard?
8. B Meade
9. M Ward
10. G Reilly
11. C Ward
12. A Nestor
13. Brayer
14. Big Joe
15. GG
F*ck me that was hard going. :o
Anyone know the squad going to Portugal?
Well I hope Ricky Nolan gets a start, he was our sub goalie all last year, whether someone else is in there now I dont know. Dont know who's got a seat on the plane to Portugal but some were hinting at the inclusion of Brian Sheridan after he kicked 0-7 against Cavan at the weekend.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 07, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
7. S Sheppard?
F*ck me that was hard going. :o
Anyone know the squad going to Portugal?
Geraghty knows him ;)
Brian Sheridan has great hands and is very accurate but that old bugbear of mine PACE rears its head again. Quite similar to the big bro.
Quote from: Jinxy on May 07, 2008, 01:47:00 PM
1. R Nolan? (who's our sub goalie?) ???
2. C McGill
3. M Lyons
4. E Harrington
5. C O'Connor
6. K Reilly
7. S Sheppard?
8. B Meade
9. M Ward
10. G Reilly
11. C Ward
12. A Nestor
13. Brayer
14. Big Joe
15. GG
F*ck me that was hard going. :o
Anyone know the squad going to Portugal?
Was Michael Ahern from Dunshaughlin not the sub goalie in the national league?
I thought having Mick Lyons at full back would raise more eyebrows. Maybe we should give it a whirl. He could still do a job!
From Hoganstand.com.
O'Shaughnessy defends himself against Meath claim
09 May 2008
Long-serving County Wexford official Joe O'Shaughnessy is unhappy that anyone might question his integrity following suggestions that as a Wexford man he should not have been involved in the CCCC's case against 'The Meath Five.'
Meath have lodged an objection to the eight week suspensions issued to five of their players following the melee in the NFL Division 2 game against Dublin, based on the Wexford official's presence on the original Central Competitions Control Committee that propsed the bans.
While Meath have said they do not belive that O'Shaughnessy had an agenda, they argue that since the suspensions could keep their players out of a possible Leinster quarter-final against Wexford, if Meath beat Carlow first, then this breaks the GAA's 'conflict of interest' rules.
O'Shaughnessy, while refusing to get drawn into much comment on the matter, did say, "I can assure everybody that I am above any underhanded sort of stuff. Something the Meath lads should be conscious of is that they have a long way to go before they even get to play Wexford, as they must play Carlow first."
Meath it seems are not letting the issue rest and feel that they can exploit a loop-hole in Rule 144 (u), which states that 'a member of the CCCC or CHC who is a member of any unit, or has a role in relation to any member, team or unit involved in the proceedings shall stand down if prosecuting or adjudicating the case."
I can just picture him muttering "and I hope the b*stards are bet" under his breath after that bit. ;D
Quote from: Jinxy on May 09, 2008, 10:01:16 PM
From Hoganstand.com.
O'Shaughnessy defends himself against Meath claim
09 May 2008
Long-serving County Wexford official Joe O'Shaughnessy is unhappy that anyone might question his integrity following suggestions that as a Wexford man he should not have been involved in the CCCC's case against 'The Meath Five.'
Meath have lodged an objection to the eight week suspensions issued to five of their players following the melee in the NFL Division 2 game against Dublin, based on the Wexford official's presence on the original Central Competitions Control Committee that propsed the bans.
While Meath have said they do not belive that O'Shaughnessy had an agenda, they argue that since the suspensions could keep their players out of a possible Leinster quarter-final against Wexford, if Meath beat Carlow first, then this breaks the GAA's 'conflict of interest' rules.
O'Shaughnessy, while refusing to get drawn into much comment on the matter, did say, "I can assure everybody that I am above any underhanded sort of stuff. Something the Meath lads should be conscious of is that they have a long way to go before they even get to play Wexford, as they must play Carlow first."
Meath it seems are not letting the issue rest and feel that they can exploit a loop-hole in Rule 144 (u), which states that 'a member of the CCCC or CHC who is a member of any unit, or has a role in relation to any member, team or unit involved in the proceedings shall stand down if prosecuting or adjudicating the case."
I can just picture him muttering "and I hope the b*stards are bet" under his breath after that bit. ;D
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What a laugh - there's nobody that is independent in the GAA - not even the programme sellers !! Not even the chip van man ! ;D ;D
Good win for the minors in Parnell Park this afternoon. Meath 0-14: Dublin 0-10 after E.T. Meath played most of the 2nd half with 14 men.
Looks like a good win, nice to see local lad, Mark Battersby do well and get on the scoresheet too. Who do we get in the Semi's?
Just heard on LMFM that the five Meath lads are going ahead with appeal to the DRA
Quote from: EugeneGeraghty on May 20, 2008, 11:13:34 AM
Just heard on LMFM that the five Meath lads are going ahead with appeal to the DRA
Waste of time if you ask me,
Don't think its a waste of time. The DRA looks like the only place where the rules are actually adhered to strictly in the GAA these days.
Dead right. Most of them did nothing to merit a 2 match suspension.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 20, 2008, 11:18:35 AM
Don't think its a waste of time. The DRA looks like the only place where the rules are actually adhered to strictly in the GAA these days.
A truer statement never spoken (written if you're being pedantic)
Quote from: EugeneGeraghty on May 20, 2008, 11:58:58 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 20, 2008, 11:18:35 AM
Don't think its a waste of time. The DRA looks like the only place where the rules are actually adhered to strictly in the GAA these days.
A truer statement never spoken (written if you're being pedantic)
Pure class !! ;) ;) ;) ;) >:( ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just a bit of notice for the Dublin lads about the match on Saturdayif your interested....
The Official Opening of the New Complex at St Patrick's GFC Cullyhanna will take place on Saturday 24th May 2008.
Details of which are as follows:-
1.30pm
Minor Football Challenge – St Patrick's (Armagh) v Ballyboden St Enda's (Dublin)
3.30pm
Official Opening Ceremony by GAA Director General, Paraic Duffy
4.00pm
Senior Football Challenge – Armagh v Dublin
Parking
Supervised parking will be available at St Patrick's Church and St Patrick's Primary School – both within walking distance of club.
Only Official Cars with passes will be allowed into the club grounds.