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So I've tried to get a sense of what the actual position of the club is, and if you'd like to leave your club and county that would help get a sense of the distribution of the paid managers. If anyone knows (not as in I heard from a fella in the bar) what the manager/ trainer is paid and wants to post it, feel free.

Also any thoughts on what you think should be the GAA's position on managers getting paid.

I hope you've more luck than i did here http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5678.0 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=5678.0) Heganboy. The righteously indignant were strangely muted on this point.

passedit- i hadn't seen your thread to be honest.

Its a weird and wonderful board, indignant or otherwise...

My club doesn't pay any managers(that I know of), but I wouldn't have any issue with it as long as he was worth it. And by that I mean he knew what he was about and put in a decent effort, not that he was successful. It seems to me that this grant issue has the potential to stir up a hornets nest that we don't need to.

I think the problem arises when everyone does it.
I think there would be quite a bit of support if something genuine was going to be done to stamp it out.

If a club or county have the money and if their opposition is spending money on coaches then they'll feel it necessary to spend money to keep up.

going rate in Dublin clubs and kildare clubs is 30k - 35k (euros)

Quotegoing rate in Dublin clubs and kildare clubs is 30k - 35k (euros)

Seriously, I know a lad involved with a top Kildare club and he is definately not getting that. I find that hard to believe tbh Lynchbhoy, if that was the kind of money going about surely bigger name coaches would be heading to Dublin.

Quote from: Zulu on December 18, 2007, 09:18:00 PM

Quotegoing rate in Dublin clubs and kildare clubs is 30k - 35k (euros)

Seriously, I know a lad involved with a top Kildare club and he is definately not getting that. I find that hard to believe tbh Lynchbhoy, if that was the kind of money going about surely bigger name coaches would be heading to Dublin.

Well I know for a fact (know people in the club committees in various clubs in dublin and kildare)
that this is the case and all figures I have been told are between 30 and 35k - with rumours from other clubs (that I have no insider info) that there is more on offer.
I could name these clubs, but obv will not do so.
I am not in the habit of making stuff up so you will have to just trust me on this one - it is defo the case for quite a number of Dub and Kildare clubs.
I no longer have too much inside info on meath clubs, but at the time when I last did, the money on offer to some managers was top dollar for that period in time !

Don't get me wrong Lynchbhoy I wasn't suggesting you were making it up. I just have never heard that kind of money being mentioned and like I say I know a few lads who would be well respected coaches (i.e IC experience) and they have never mentioned that kind of money.

Quote from: Zulu on December 18, 2007, 09:43:29 PM
Don't get me wrong Lynchbhoy I wasn't suggesting you were making it up. I just have never heard that kind of money being mentioned and like I say I know a few lads who would be well respected coaches (i.e IC experience) and they have never mentioned that kind of money.

no problem
but let me reiterate, this figure is very real and not just a one off figure
it is rampant around at least the top level of Dublin clubs (that pay managers) and exists in kildare

hard to believe, but its no wonder that so many people are taking to training/coaching/managing teams its a cracking earner, and as its cash in hand its as good as an annual salary is to most people.

Can't see many clubs being able to fork out that sort of money.  Wonder what pillar getting then, if dub clubs getting that money.

Quote from: gerry on December 18, 2007, 10:08:07 PM
Can't see many clubs being able to fork out that sort of money.  Wonder what pillar getting then, if dub clubs getting that money.

a couple of golf classics and race nights would easily pay for it...
proceeds usually paid directly into managers bank account.
thats what was done at one club I know of.... (family member on organising committee)

Dubs dont pay their county manager

Quote from: lynchbhoy on December 18, 2007, 10:20:24 PM

Quote from: gerry on December 18, 2007, 10:08:07 PM
Can't see many clubs being able to fork out that sort of money.  Wonder what pillar getting then, if dub clubs getting that money.

a couple of golf classics and race nights would easily pay for it...
proceeds usually paid directly into managers bank account.
thats what was done at one club I know of.... (family member on organising committee)

Dubs dont pay their county manager

yeah, but he'll be able to name his price if he ever takes sam, even without he'll get a fair few quid from many clubs.  That's how it works, many counties don't pay their manager, but when he leaves he reaps the rewards.  In Derry, I hear top rate coaches are on about €20K.

As usual I think you're hearing stories about a very few clubs who are paying out big money - there's not too many clubs paying 20k -

Quote from: orangeman on December 18, 2007, 11:21:26 PM
As usual I think you're hearing stories about a very few clubs who are paying out big money - there's not too many clubs paying 20k -

not here say
I can vouch, take the pepsi challenge and swear on my life for at least three that pay 30k or more (euros)
the others I trust my impecible sources are correct...

no bulls**t

..and what do you mean 'as usual'
I def dont make shit up....

Usual sources, i know a Man who knows a Man. Its all Bullshit, why would any Club pay the amounts quoted, there is no real benefit to be gained.

As usual in that there are only a few who pay the big big money and the rest are on much much less -  no slight on you there !

Name the clubs then that are paying 30k euros or £20k !!

Are they all Derry clubs ? Tyrone clubs or where are they ?

fecks sake lads
from lads /relations I know in finance committees in clubs to the odd club chairman that I know well who have disclosed the amount they are paying 'their man'  its not a guess or fairy sotry
if you dont believe it
then dont
I have not quoted anything out of this world and the clubs as prev mentioned are all in Dublin or kildare.
No I wont mention them by name, I'm not that daft.
But if you are that keen to find out, come meet me in person some day for lunch in dublin (share the bill) and I'll tell you .

Would it not be common for clubs to pay out the guts of £100 per training session/match to a manager?  If he has a good season, then you're talking about 150/200 appearances at £100 a go - £15-20K.  Even if it's less, it must be at least £50 a session, so that could be up to £10K.  Did you ever stop and wonder why an outsider would undertake a 120 mile round trip 2/3 times a week just to bestow some coaching nuggets on some crowd from half way up a mountain in Derry/Tyrone/Armagh? 

Unless your manager is from your club - then there's a good chance he's getting 'paid'!

Orangeman - how do you feel about our club paying managers? 
They have paid a number of managers/coaches over the last number of years - what is your take on that?
Do you think they will continue to pay managers?

On regards the payment thing lads I have heard like a number of others about managers getting paid quite well for a years work but am not 100% sure if the figures are quite as high as some people say. I do know of one club manager in Tyrone 2/3 years ago who definitely got £8k for the year and know of 2 coaches who last season charged £50 and £60 per session respectively.

Quote from: Goats Do Shave on December 19, 2007, 08:19:07 AM
Unless your manager is from your club - then there's a good chance he's getting 'paid'!

That's the bottom line and therein lies the solution if there's a will to stop it.

Pangurban, I have a mate involved in management in Kildare who backs up Lynchbhoy's figures. Nearer to home I was speaking to a manager of a Down club who felt that the £75 a session he was getting was at the bottom end of the pay scale. You can't stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalalala forever.

heganboy, turleys not doin bad on £150 a week with yourselves.... wat wud your opinion be?

Quote from: Pangurban on December 18, 2007, 11:52:26 PM
why would any Club pay the amounts quoted, there is no real benefit to be gained.

that leads me to re-iterate, that its an open market, an auction type of scenario there....managers are obv helping raise their own pices because they are playing clubs off each other...
as its all done secretly, clubs dont know how much or who is after the same guy.
When you see the annual threads of who is going to manage who next year, its a merry-go-round of the usual suspects and because the same guys and names are touted for club jobs, then it is likely that there will be a few 'auction scenarios' happening.

IF the GAA was to declare a payment scale for managers, that clubs could use as a guideline, then the prices might come down. Right now, its a turkey shot for these coaches and the money they can make.....tax free !

I know our club pays our manager the guts of £100 a week, which is a fair bit above the expense rate considering he only lives up the road! But I am one of the people involved in administering the money, I was involved in bringing him to the club and I agreed at the time to pay him.  He's brought us relative success but now, in light of this whole row, I've proposed we get rid.  Success should not be at the expense of the association.