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Title: world cup draw
Post by: whyarerefssobad on November 25, 2007, 02:33:06 PM
the draw is on now at 3 have a feeling we are going to get england and all the nightmares that come with it them thugs in croke park
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: magickingdom on November 25, 2007, 02:37:37 PM
anyone know if its on telly?
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: whyarerefssobad on November 25, 2007, 02:40:36 PM
its on sky sports news
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: ONeill on November 25, 2007, 02:44:46 PM
The BBC Sport website have live video coverage starting at 3.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: ONeill on November 25, 2007, 03:32:06 PM
Qatar is the first country out of the pot for the World Cup 2010 qualifying draw.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 03:37:27 PM
Did anyone notice all week on the bbc sport website there was no preview of the Republic.  I would have thought they still could have done a bit of a right up about it.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 25, 2007, 03:38:43 PM
Quote from: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 03:37:27 PM
Did anyone notice all week on the bbc sport website there was no preview of the Republic.  I would have thought they still could have done a bit of a right up about it.
why should they?
Had they one on spain or france?
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 03:40:21 PM
Granted not a part of Britain but still a part of the "home nations"

I just thought they could have done a preview like they did for NI, Wales, Scotland and England.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 25, 2007, 03:43:20 PM
QuoteGranted not a part of Britain but still a part of the "home nations"

Quote
Home Nations (often written as the common noun home nations) is a term used to refer to the four constituent countries of the United Kingdom — England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland — collectively but as separate entities, distinct from the United Kingdom as a state.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Nations)
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2007, 03:45:44 PM
Quote from: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 03:40:21 PM
Granted not a part of Britain but still a part of the "home nations"

I just thought they could have done a preview like they did for NI, Wales, Scotland and England.

And then you'd have people on here crying about being considered part of the home nations!

You can't win!
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 03:47:29 PM
QuoteThe term is also used to refer to England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland (i.e. the whole island: both Northern Ireland and the Republic) together.

Is there a need to be confrontational?  Am I the only one that would have liked to see a preview of the Republic aswell?
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 25, 2007, 03:50:45 PM
Did RTE not offer a preview of the Republic?

I'm happy that  the BBC see the south as having nothing to do with them!
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2007, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 03:47:29 PM
QuoteThe term is also used to refer to England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland (i.e. the whole island: both Northern Ireland and the Republic) together.

Is there a need to be confrontational?  Am I the only one that would have liked to see a preview of the Republic aswell?

You haven't been here very long (judging by your post count). Let this be a lesson to you when discussing this type of subject on this board in future! :P
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:00:36 PM
Pot A
Italy
Spain
Germany
Czech Republic
France
Portugal
Netherlands
Croatia
Greece

Pot B
England
Romania
Scotland
Turkey
Bulgaria
Russia
Poland
Sweden
Israel

Pot C
Norway
Ukraine
Serbia
Denmark
Northern Ireland
Republic of Ireland
Finland
Switzerland
Belgium

Pot D
Slovakia
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Hungary
Moldova
Wales
FYR Macedonia
Belarus
Lithuania
Cyprus

Pot E
Georgia
Albania
Slovenia
Latvia
Iceland
Armenia
Austria
Kazakhstan
Azerbaijan

Pot F
Liechtenstein
Estonia
Malta
Luxembourg
Montenegro
Andorra
Faroe Islands
San Marino
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 04:04:08 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 25, 2007, 03:53:42 PM
Quote from: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 03:47:29 PM
QuoteThe term is also used to refer to England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland (i.e. the whole island: both Northern Ireland and the Republic) together.

Is there a need to be confrontational?  Am I the only one that would have liked to see a preview of the Republic aswell?

You haven't been here very long (judging by your post count). Let this be a lesson to you when discussing this type of subject on this board in future! :P

Lol I know what you mean - but why only quote half of the wikipedia info?

Anyways not to worry I'm not one to normally state that Ireland is part of Britain or anything else - my gripe was about BBC not doing a preview of Republic as I am sure alot of other Republic supporters would use the BBC website more than any other Irish website for sports news.

Not to worry we are getting off topic.  Lets see how the draw goes!
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: pintsofguinness on November 25, 2007, 04:07:19 PM
QuoteLol I know what you mean - but why only quote half of the wikipedia info?

Because that's the important part.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2007, 04:11:35 PM
Jaysus, look how far Austria have fallen!
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:15:53 PM
Cyprus and Georgia.

Not good.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 04:16:01 PM
Cyprus again :-(
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2007, 04:16:13 PM
Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 04:16:44 PM
Anyone fancy england in our group?
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 04:17:59 PM
Bulgaria not soo bad.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:18:23 PM
Bulgaria. That's OK in the 2nd seeds.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 04:18:52 PM
Hoping for Greece here?
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:20:32 PM
We've got Italy.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:21:09 PM
Group 1 Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Hungary, Albania, Malta

Group 2 Greece, Israel, Switzerland, Moldova, Latvia, Luxembourg

Group 3 Czech Republic, Poland, NORTHERN IRELAND, Slovakia, Slovenia, San Marino

Group 4 Germany, Russia, Finland, WALES, Azerbaijan, Liechtenstein

Group 5 Spain, Turkey, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Armenia, Estonia

Group 6 Croatia, ENGLAND, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Andorra

Group 7 France, Romania, Serbia, Lithuania, Austria, Faroe Islands

Group 8 Italy, Bulgaria, Republic of Ireland, Cyprus, Georgia, Montenegro

Group 9 Holland, SCOTLAND, Norway, FYR Macedonia, Iceland
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2007, 04:21:17 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on November 25, 2007, 04:19:53 PM
Croatia with Engerland  ;)

;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Muzz on November 25, 2007, 04:21:26 PM
NI group is piss easy.  England have an easy group too.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2007, 04:22:11 PM
That's what England said last time! :D
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: T Fearon on November 25, 2007, 04:23:06 PM
Great draw. We can go through with Italy and having the World Champions in Croker will be something else!

Hope the Italians play the home game at San Siro or the Olympic Stadium in Rome
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:23:13 PM
Bad points for us

Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro are seeds below us that you would prefer to have avoided.

Good point for us

Bulgaria are probably the 2nd seeds that most wanted.

Italy are going to win the group so looks like a battle between ourselves and Bulgaria for 2nd spot.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2007, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:23:13 PM
Bad points for us

Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro are seeds below us that you would prefer to have avoided.

Good point for us

Bulgaria are probably the 2nd seeds that most wanted.

Italy are going to win the group so looks like a battle between ourselves and Bulgaria for 2nd spot.

What about Cyprus? They made us look like idiots in the not-too-distant past. Let's not fall for the same arrogant presumption as the English do.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: tyroneboi on November 25, 2007, 04:31:20 PM
no excuses for ireland not to get in the top 2 in this group. Beat Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro home and away, get four points from Bulgaria ties and maybe sneak a point from Italy. Im quite optimistic about our chances. May make the job more appealing to more managers out there.

Just to ask - whats the story with Montenegro? is this there first qualifying campaign? im presuming they are not very good?
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: stiffler on November 25, 2007, 04:31:55 PM
Wat sort of team do Bulgaria have now, did they qualify for Euro 08?

I think England will have to perform to get out of their group. Group 2 looks a handy group with the top two seeds being greece and isreal.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:37:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 25, 2007, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:23:13 PM
Bad points for us

Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro are seeds below us that you would prefer to have avoided.

Good point for us

Bulgaria are probably the 2nd seeds that most wanted.

Italy are going to win the group so looks like a battle between ourselves and Bulgaria for 2nd spot.

What about Cyprus? They made us look like idiots in the not-too-distant past. Let's not fall for the same arrogant presumption as the English do.

Well we were a disorganised rabble in the last qualifying campaign but still finished above Cyprus so I don't expect them to challenge for qualification. That's not to say they won't be hard to beat though.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: J70 on November 25, 2007, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:37:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 25, 2007, 04:28:38 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on November 25, 2007, 04:23:13 PM
Bad points for us

Cyprus, Georgia and Montenegro are seeds below us that you would prefer to have avoided.

Good point for us

Bulgaria are probably the 2nd seeds that most wanted.

Italy are going to win the group so looks like a battle between ourselves and Bulgaria for 2nd spot.

What about Cyprus? They made us look like idiots in the not-too-distant past. Let's not fall for the same arrogant presumption as the English do.

Well we were a disorganised rabble in the last qualifying campaign but still finished above Cyprus so I don't expect them to challenge for qualification. That's not to say they won't be hard to beat though.

And we were a relatively organized but stultifyingly cautious team in the previous campaign, and we still failed to qualify. We had decent teams for several campaigns under McCarthy, finished in the playoff spots every time, and still only made it through once. I don't think we have any cause for being overly optimistic (which I'm not saying you personally are). We've qualified for one tournament out of the past six, during which period we've had far superior teams and been seeded higher.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: thewingedlady on November 25, 2007, 04:54:30 PM
This is montenegro's first campaign as a senior national team. They have an u21 team going at the mo, who beat Ireland u21 two weeks ago  :-[
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Turlough O Carolan on November 25, 2007, 05:04:21 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on November 25, 2007, 04:23:06 PM
Great draw. We can go through with Italy and having the World Champions in Croker will be something else!

Hope the Italians play the home game at San Siro or the Olympic Stadium in Rome

Only one team qualifies. The 8 "best" runner up teams go into a playoffs. If we were somehow to come second, we could easily have dropped so many points in E Europe that we would not even make the best 8.

As for Bulgaria, they were unfortunate to miss out in qualification for Europe, having a very high points total. Montenegro are a botton seed only because they are a new soccer nation. They've played as Serbia and Montenegro up until now and actually qualified for the last world cup. While that was a Serbian dominated team, the standard of soccer in that region is high. Both Cyprus and Georgia will be very difficult too.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Whitehair on November 25, 2007, 05:18:59 PM
In regards fixtures, would the new manager have an input into the running order of the fixtures or would that be sorted by the FAI? I'd fancy playing Italy either first or second with a post tournament hangover hopefully.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 25, 2007, 05:23:57 PM
Anyone notice the tasty local derby? North Vs South.











In Korea.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Galwaybhoy on November 26, 2007, 11:35:49 AM
Delaney already putting down our chances in the paper I see.  Saying how good all our group opponents are, is he trying to make excuses already for another terrible campaign?  It will be terrible if El Tel is appointed manager.  Cyprus will end bottom of this group, Montenegro will be very hard to beat home and away.  Bulgaria are nothing great and its between them and us for that second place.  If only the FAI would appoint a proper manager...
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: full back on November 26, 2007, 04:52:41 PM
Group 1 Portugal, Sweden, Denmark, Hungary, Albania, Malta

Group 2 Greece, Israel, Switzerland, Moldova, Latvia, Luxembourg

Group 3 Czech Republic, Poland, NORTHERN IRELAND, Slovakia, Slovenia, San Marino

Group 4 Germany, Russia, Finland, WALES, Azerbaijan, Liechtenstein

Group 5 Spain, Turkey, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Armenia, Estonia

Group 6 Croatia, ENGLAND, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Andorra

Group 7 France, Romania, Serbia, Lithuania, Austria, Faroe Islands

Group 8 Italy, Bulgaria, Republic of Ireland, Cyprus, Georgia, Montenegro

Group 9 Holland, SCOTLAND, Norway, FYR Macedonia, Iceland


           Winners              Runners-Up
Gp 1     Portugal             Sweden
Gp 2     Israel                 Greece
Gp 3     Czech Rep          Slovakia
Gp 4     Germany            Russia
Gp 5     Spain                 Belgium
Gp 6     England             Croatia
Gp 7     France               Romania
Gp 8     Italy                  Montenegro
Gp 9     Holland
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Gabriel_Hurl on November 26, 2007, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on November 25, 2007, 05:23:57 PM
Anyone notice the tasty local derby? North Vs South.











In Korea.

There's a potential USA vs Cuba match as well
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: GalwayBayBoy on November 26, 2007, 05:04:48 PM
QuoteGp 8     Italy                  Montenegro

There's no way Montenegro are finishing 2nd in the group. When the team was Serbia and Montenegro nearly the entire squad was Serbian. They only have a population of half a million people so are fairly limited resource wise. They'll be better than the other teams who they were seeded with and will be tricky opponents over at their place but they have no chance of finishing that high.

We had the Slovakians in our last group and they are unlikely to be better than the Slovaks anyway.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: Tonto on November 26, 2007, 07:45:56 PM
Full back, why is no-one going to come 2nd in Group 9? :-[
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: his holiness nb on November 26, 2007, 10:05:06 PM
           Winners              Runners-Up
Gp 1     Portugal             Sweden
Gp 2     Israel                 Greece
Gp 3     Poland               North of Ireland  ;)
Gp 4     Germany            Russia
Gp 5     Turkey               Spain
Gp 6     England             Croatia
Gp 7     France               Romania
Gp 8     Italy                  Bulgaria/ROI (cant decide, depends on manager, with Venables, no qualification, with Houllier, Jol, yes)
Gp 9     Holland
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: deiseach on November 26, 2007, 10:16:04 PM
Quote from: Gabriel_Hurl on November 26, 2007, 04:54:11 PM
There's a potential USA vs Cuba match as well

Would the US be allowed play in Cuba by the American authorities?
Would the Cubans send a team to the US without putting all their families under house arrest?
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: his holiness nb on November 27, 2007, 09:25:58 AM
US citizens are allowed into Cuba, but they arent allowed to put money into the Cuban economy, which they would be doing via flying commercially there.

They could get past this by flying directly to an American military base in Cuba and bringing all their supplies from America.
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: full back on November 27, 2007, 09:41:50 AM
Quote from: Tonto on November 26, 2007, 07:45:56 PM
Full back, why is no-one going to come 2nd in Group 9? :-[

Apologies, I thought only the top team qualified in this group & runner-up got nothing, but I see that the 2nd place can make the play off as one of the best runners up
Would go for Scotland in that case
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: AZOffaly on November 27, 2007, 09:43:34 AM
I assume the results against the bottom team in the first 8 groups is discarded when calculating the best 8 runners up, or else the Scots would have 2 games less to accrue points?
Title: Re: world cup draw
Post by: full back on November 27, 2007, 09:45:58 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on November 27, 2007, 09:43:34 AM
I assume the results against the bottom team in the first 8 groups is discarded when calculating the best 8 runners up, or else the Scots would have 2 games less to accrue points?

Correct AZ