Tonight in the Point Depot
Dunne is 24-0 and Martinez is 16-0 should be good fight
I think Kiko is the best guy Dunne will have faced. Should be a crackin fight
All over after 1min26sec Martinez wins by KO
Kiko is not kiko!
Dunne's been hyped up far too much beatin flabby boys and journeymen.
Hes a good fighter but got caught up in his own hype tonight--he didnt start and got caught cold by a crackin, raging bull type fighter.
Will be very hard to come back from that.
Dunne was knocked down 3 times in 1 round, yet each time his ego made him shout that it was a slip.
He needs to step away from the limelight like Rocky and Appollo Creed did-and get the hunger back--hes nothin, no world title, nothin--we r too quick to build up sportsmen as heroes because they win a few fights, score a few goals--i hope Dunne can come back but dont think he has the sheer power you need to be a champion like champions like Kiko do
Trust me - I am fecking telling ye! Bernard Dunne was always there for the taking. No amount of "contrived" fights in the Depot - no hugs of Jimmy Magee - no Ole Ole Oles - no emotional anthems - could disguise the fact that he was suspect!!!! his chin was always there for the taking and anybody with a punch would exploit this.. Forget any notion that he will be introduced to the Hill amarach ... he's just been found out and exposed!!!! - and I was told that a year ago by an Irish Olympic medallist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A victory for reality tonight. Andy Lee is the real thing - a real possibility as a world champion. Dunne was found out. Never anything more than a shaper and a tabloid creation. I don't follow boxing much these days, but his antics against the Dane in his last fight meant I wasn't too sorry to see him planted tonight. Steve Collins revisited. Muhammad Ali could get away with showboating. Anyone else trying it becomes a buffoon.
Quoteand I was told that a year ago by an Irish Olympic medallist!
Michelle or Sonia?
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2007, 11:47:38 PM
A victory for reality tonight. Andy Lee is the real thing - a real possibility as a world champion. Dunne was found out. Never anything more than a shaper and a tabloid creation. I don't follow boxing much these days, but his antics against the Dane in his last fight meant I wasn't too sorry to see him planted tonight. Steve Collins revisited. Muhammad Ali could get away with showboating. Anyone else trying it becomes a buffoon.
...bet ye wouldn't say that til his face.....
Olympic Medallist? Cian's Horse if you must know!
I always thought Dunne was not as good as he was made out to be. I always thought he wasn't good enough to win a world title. I was always surprised that so many people high up in the sport always talked Dunne up as being a world class boxer because I always felt those that put their whole life into the sport should know better. Dunne is a good boxer when it comes to challenging for European titles, but not World Titles. He always had a bad defence, that was always obvious and he never had enough power in his punches either.
I wonder where he will go from here. The thing about boxing is that once a fighter loses in that style they find it hard to return. If Dunne is as good as we are told then he will have to get his head straight and return and not lose the confidence thats needed. I doubt very much he will come back to even win the European title again not to mind a World Title and I have a feeling as the next few years go on we will hear less and less about him as the media move on to their next "star" that will help sell a few papers.
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2007, 11:47:38 PM
A victory for reality tonight. Andy Lee is the real thing - a real possibility as a world champion. Dunne was found out. Never anything more than a shaper and a tabloid creation. I don't follow boxing much these days, but his antics against the Dane in his last fight meant I wasn't too sorry to see him planted tonight. Steve Collins revisited. Muhammad Ali could get away with showboating. Anyone else trying it becomes a buffoon.
Have to agree,I think he was too cocky and maybe was a tabloid creation,and was hyped up more than he should have been
Saying that though i hoped he would win and am disapointed for him as i never like seeing Irish sportmen fail.
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2007, 11:47:38 PM
A victory for reality tonight. Andy Lee is the real thing - a real possibility as a world champion.
Regarding Lee's fight, did his opponent not give in a bit too easily? He was holding his own. Looked like a bit of a gift for Lee....
How disappointed would you be if you went out of your way to get a ticket for that? What was it, 1min 26 seconds? An expensive night out!
Fair play to the Martinez team who put a shedload of money on a first round knock out at 66/1! That bookie will be sick as a parrot!
QuoteFair play to the Martinez team who put a shedload of money on a first round knock out at 66/1! That bookie will be sick as a parrot!
I was wondering about this. i know in soccer you aren't allowed to back any match, even if the moneys on yourself to lose. Is there no similar rule in boxing or perhaps its doesn't apply to team members. Some collection though - €15,000 at 66/1 between them!
Had to feel for Dunne there tonihgt, looks like his career might be in tatters or at least severely set back. Wasn't overly impressed by Lee although interesting to see that the commentators seem to rate him higher than Duddy.
15k is f**k all though!! plently of horse owners would put that on their horse with half a chance.
obviously the europeans ( with no rte sport or star reporters) could see dunne for what he was.
Dunne is still a good fighter. He'll come back and I predict he'll get a shot at one of the 4 major world titles, but he'll go into that fight as underdog, and he'll never be the best in the world.
Kiko Martinez on the other hand could well become the best in the world. He's some powerhouse. When I heard him described as a mini Mike Tyson, I thought "yeah right!". But its the right description - and only 21! A super little fighter, too good for Bernard.
I wouldnt go near Martinez again, or at least until he's perfected his defence. He's never had to have a good defence up to this. And maybe if he went on his bike for 5 or 6 rounds and just try and pick him off, he might be capable, but for sure if Dunne ever fights Martinez again, Kiko will be hot favourite. If I was Dunne I'd work up to the best of the Brits, Michael Jones or whoever it is. Then go from there.
Was not too dissapointed. I know boxers but on an arrogant act but Dunee struck me a a gobshite.
Hope we see a bit more of Andy Lee. Like Dunne dont think Duddy will be able to go the full way either, good fightrer but not a great one. Lee on the other hand appears at this stage to have the attributes to go far, but its still early days of course.
think the martinez camp had 50k on there man at 66/1 for the 1st round KO so a £330000 profit!
dunne just wasnt good enough simple as that. look at the difference between the two physiques he was just too powerful for dunne. felt really sorry for dunne he looked like he was gonna cry. dublin gettin beat by kerry will round off a bad weekend for the wee man ;D :D :P
Seem to be an awful lot coming out of the woodwork now saying they always new Dunne wasn't all that. The only one I can recall said that from the start apart from me was Galwaybhoy. Dunne was never good enough, and will not win a world title. He has always been a bit of a powder puff puncher, and very much a tabloid sensation as someone mentioned.
As I have said before, I don't think Duddy will make it to top either. Very marketable and comes across as a real nice guy, I hope he does go all the way (was never that keen on Dunne as a guy, as pointed out, very much a shaper). If he does make it then we should have an All Irish world title fight in a couple years as Andy Lee is on his way to the top.
I'm sure I'm doing a disservice to a goodly number of fights in between but next one a, really looking forward to is Cotto-Mosley, now that Vargas-Mayorga is off
It's a bad weekend to be a Dub surely.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2007, 06:27:25 PM
It's a bad weekend to be a Dub surely.
He wasnt having his usual parade in front of the hill surely! Although the hill would have got better value for money.....the parade would surely have lasted longer than a minute and a half!
Quote from: Gold on August 25, 2007, 11:40:10 PM
Kiko is not kiko!
Dunne's been hyped up far too much beatin flabby boys and journeymen.
Hes a good fighter but got caught up in his own hype tonight--he didnt start and got caught cold by a crackin, raging bull type fighter.
Will be very hard to come back from that.
Dunne was knocked down 3 times in 1 round, yet each time his ego made him shout that it was a slip.
He needs to step away from the limelight like Rocky and Appollo Creed did-and get the hunger back--hes nothin, no world title, nothin--we r too quick to build up sportsmen as heroes because they win a few fights, score a few goals--i hope Dunne can come back but dont think he has the sheer power you need to be a champion like champions like Kiko do
:D :D
I said before that I thought Dunne put his punches together well, but wasn't sure about his chin, even against the opposition he had faced before.
I didn't see the fight, but it appears that he's been well found out on that count. He was a always a bit cocky, and I don't mind seeing someone who's cocky getting put in their place. However, he does have ability if he can keep his hands up, so his career is not over, but all future opponents will be well aware of his suspect chin and focus on it.
If there anyone who thinks you'd find a bookie that would give you 50,000 at 66/1 on a first round knockout you are slightly naive. You'd be lucky to find a bookie to accept €500 bet at those odds.
Quote from: Teeling Gael on August 27, 2007, 10:38:58 AM
If there anyone who thinks you'd find a bookie that would give you 50,000 at 66/1 on a first round knockout you are slightly naive. You'd be lucky to find a bookie to accept €500 bet at those odds.
Your right TG .
they did say they went around to loads of bookies nt put it all on one bet
In this day and age , if bookies aren't directly talking to each other , you can be sure they are looking at market trends and anyone putting on 500 in one bookmakers would have a dramatic effect on the price across all bookies. I imagine there is a bit of a poetic license here by the Spanish. Good to see putting their money on and stinging the bookies for presumably a 5 figure amount but I'd be very surprised if it was a 6 figure sum.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 26, 2007, 12:00:12 AM
Quote from: Hardy on August 25, 2007, 11:47:38 PM
A victory for reality tonight. Dunne was found out. Never anything more than a shaper and a tabloid creation. I don't follow boxing much these days, but his antics against the Dane in his last fight meant I wasn't too sorry to see him planted tonight.
Have to agree,I think he was too cocky and maybe was a tabloid creation,and was hyped up more than he should have been
I'd have to echo the sentiments from above, it was amazing how many people I was talking to that were glad to see him get what was coming to him.
If he had of concentrated on the fight instead of playing to the crowd beforehand he might have been ready for martinez.
QuoteI'd have to echo the sentiments from above, it was amazing how many people I was talking to that were glad to see him get what was coming to him.
Funny that. Anyone I was talking to were disappointed that he got beaten. Maybe not surprised but definitely not glad to see it happen .
More anti Dub bias ;)
I met Dunne once in Croke Park and found him to be quite a nice, down to earth fella. Personally I was disappointed he got beaten and find comments to the contrary stink of that hateful old Irish trait of begrudgery which has largely (but unfortunately not totally) been consigned to the waste bin of our self loathing past.
Jaysus - I got going there!
Quote from: Declan on August 27, 2007, 03:03:06 PM
QuoteI'd have to echo the sentiments from above, it was amazing how many people I was talking to that were glad to see him get what was coming to him.
Funny that. Anyone I was talking to were disappointed that he got beaten. Maybe not surprised but definitely not glad to see it happen .
More anti Dub bias ;)
I know you are only messin, but for the love of God, not another thread where us culchies have to be carefull about what we say ;)
quote of the week had to be jim rocks classic on rte when he said" you can do all the weight training you want but it won't put muscles on your chin"
Quote from: Louth Exile on August 27, 2007, 03:11:11 PM
Quote from: Declan on August 27, 2007, 03:03:06 PM
QuoteI'd have to echo the sentiments from above, it was amazing how many people I was talking to that were glad to see him get what was coming to him.
Funny that. Anyone I was talking to were disappointed that he got beaten. Maybe not surprised but definitely not glad to see it happen .
More anti Dub bias ;)
I know you are only messin, but for the love of God, not another thread where us culchies have to be carefull about what we say ;)
You always have to be careful
No one ever expects the
Spanish Dublin inquisition ;D
anyone else think that this type of beating is awaiting Duddy when he steps up to the big time? Or do I underestimate the man hugely?
Quote from: heganboy on August 28, 2007, 07:45:01 PM
anyone else think that this type of beating is awaiting Duddy when he steps up to the big time?
Yes.