We're entering into major hype season on the ticket issue.
Do you know of any genuine supporter of their county missing out on their team's big day simply because they could not get a ticket?
I am sure that there are many, so few tickets per club, so many people wanting ticket within the county it self.
What can be done? Retain all the ticket stubs of games attended to show your credentials.
One of lifes great lessons, money talks!!
Denn, I don't think there are. I reckon everyone gets sorted in the end, but that's why i'm asking the question!
yes I know a few who missed out in 2003 and 2005. caused major resentment within the club which still lasts today.
Quote from: Denn Forever on August 18, 2007, 12:13:20 PM
I am sure that there are many, so few tickets per club, so many people wanting ticket within the county it self.
What can be done? Retain all the ticket stubs of games attended to show your credentials.
One of lifes great lessons, money talks!!
agree with you Denn Forever i know some lads from mayo who were at all the matches last year but couldn't get one for the final.
last year our club gave 1st preference to anyone who attendended all 5matches before the all ireland and who had bought them off the club.
Oh to have the problem but given our potential, I reckon I'll have to wait until we get to the Tommy Murphy final. Use ,it as stepping stone but we think we are better than that (But we ain't!!!!).
yes, quite a few the last few years that tried to get in till the very end but ended up watching in gills. if anyone wants to check this out stand outside gills at 3.30 on ai sunday and see for yourself
Quoteanyone wants to check this out stand outside gills at 3.30 on ai sunday and see for yourself
How do we know they are genuine fans?
Quotelast year our club gave 1st preference to anyone who attendended all 5matches before the all ireland and who had bought them off the club.
I think this system is balls to be honest. Last year, I added nearly all home and league games my Club was involved in. However when Tyrone was playing I sometimes wasn't able to make it due to work, and more pressingly due to the fact that I have a child (Now two!). I knew I couldn't peeve off every Sunday of the year, so I picked and choosed my Tyrone games aginst going to all Club games.
So who deserves a ticket.
Fan A: Goes to all 5 Championship games.
Fan B: Goes to nearly all Club games, and some Championship games.
Our club has a ticketing poilcy that rewards the Club man first. That's the way it should be.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 18, 2007, 02:47:21 PM
Quotelast year our club gave 1st preference to anyone who attendended all 5matches before the all ireland and who had bought them off the club.
I think this system is balls to be honest. Last year, I added nearly all home and league games my Club was involved in. However when Tyrone was playing I sometimes wasn't able to make it due to work, and more pressingly due to the fact that I have a child (Now two!). I knew I couldn't peeve off every Sunday of the year, so I picked and choosed my Tyrone games aginst going to all Club games.
So who deserves a ticket.
Fan A: Goes to all 5 Championship games.
Fan B: Goes to nearly all Club games, and some Championship games.
Our club has a ticketing poilcy that rewards the Club man first. That's the way it should be.
I see what your saying Norf Tyrone but most if all of the people who went to the County matches would be die hard club supporters who would rarely if ever miss a club match and went to the county matches to support the 3 lads from the club who were playing for the county at the time.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 18, 2007, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 18, 2007, 02:47:21 PM
Quotelast year our club gave 1st preference to anyone who attendended all 5matches before the all ireland and who had bought them off the club.
I think this system is balls to be honest. Last year, I added nearly all home and league games my Club was involved in. However when Tyrone was playing I sometimes wasn't able to make it due to work, and more pressingly due to the fact that I have a child (Now two!). I knew I couldn't peeve off every Sunday of the year, so I picked and choosed my Tyrone games aginst going to all Club games.
So who deserves a ticket.
Fan A: Goes to all 5 Championship games.
Fan B: Goes to nearly all Club games, and some Championship games.
Our club has a ticketing poilcy that rewards the Club man first. That's the way it should be.
I see what your saying Norf Tyrone but most if all of the people who went to the County matches would be die hard club supporters who would rarely if ever miss a club match and went to the county matches to support the 3 lads from the club who were playing for the county at the time.
I'd say that's quite unusual deel rover.
There are an awful lot of people who attend county games and never a club match.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 18, 2007, 03:05:35 PM
There are an awful lot of people who attend county games and never a club match.
That can happen a lot with Connacht and Counties from the Western half of the Country as a larger number of their people live a long way away from home .
One of the easiest things to do is go to all your counties championship matches. Theres only on average 5 in the year of which at least two will be at home. It makes me sick when I hear that people go to all the matches - for Gods sake all you have to do is get into your car and drive on a sunday afternoon. Theres usually nothing else on them days in your home county anyway.
The people who are the genuine fans are the people who: a) Run the GAA on a voluntary basis at club level. Fundraising and faciities people also. b) Who do all the bulls*** work of organising and coaching kids for their nursery on Saturday mornings. c) Referee's and officials who have to head off to clubs every Sunday to listen to 30 lads hurling abuse at them.
These are the genuine peaople who keep things going at club level.
A family day out at an intercounty game is very easy to do when you look at it now....
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 18, 2007, 03:05:35 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on August 18, 2007, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 18, 2007, 02:47:21 PM
Quotelast year our club gave 1st preference to anyone who attendended all 5matches before the all ireland and who had bought them off the club.
I think this system is balls to be honest. Last year, I added nearly all home and league games my Club was involved in. However when Tyrone was playing I sometimes wasn't able to make it due to work, and more pressingly due to the fact that I have a child (Now two!). I knew I couldn't peeve off every Sunday of the year, so I picked and choosed my Tyrone games aginst going to all Club games.
So who deserves a ticket.
Fan A: Goes to all 5 Championship games.
Fan B: Goes to nearly all Club games, and some Championship games.
Our club has a ticketing poilcy that rewards the Club man first. That's the way it should be.
I see what your saying Norf Tyrone but most if all of the people who went to the County matches would be die hard club supporters who would rarely if ever miss a club match and went to the county matches to support the 3 lads from the club who were playing for the county at the time.
I'd say that's quite unusual deel rover.
There are an awful lot of people who attend county games and never a club match.
Probably is pints but then again crossmolina is an unusual town ;) ;) there is not a lot to do only follow the football so of course you support your club teams 1st and foremost but then you would support the local lads who would be playing for the county, in fairness for 4 of the 6 games last year there was no problem getting tickets but come the semi and final all the usual suspects would be coming out looking for the tickets for them matches.
Quote from: highking on August 18, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
One of the easiest things to do is go to all your counties championship matches. Theres only on average 5 in the year of which at least two will be at home. It makes me sick when I hear that people go to all the matches - for Gods sake all you have to do is get into your car and drive on a sunday afternoon. Theres usually nothing else on them days in your home county anyway.
The people who are the genuine fans are the people who: a) Run the GAA on a voluntary basis at club level. Fundraising and faciities people also. b) Who do all the bulls*** work of organising and coaching kids for their nursery on Saturday mornings. c) Referee's and officials who have to head off to clubs every Sunday to listen to 30 lads hurling abuse at them.
These are the genuine peaople who keep things going at club level.
A family day out at an intercounty game is very easy to do when you look at it now....
I agree with your second point high king but you still cannot disregard the effort it takes to go to matches, 'getting into your car' could involve staying in the car for 4/5 hours, paying for a ticket for yourself and your family of you have one, buying dinner, possibly staying the night and spending another 4/5 hours going home. I dont think you can say that someone who does that week in week out is not a genuine fan.
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 18, 2007, 02:35:50 PM
Quoteanyone wants to check this out stand outside gills at 3.30 on ai sunday and see for yourself
How do we know they are genuine fans?
not that it matters a whit but i knew a guy last year that did not get in. he would be a 'genuine' fan..
Where's Gills at ?
1 minute walk from the canal end of croke park, at the intersection of whatever road jones road runs into...
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 18, 2007, 02:47:21 PM
Quotelast year our club gave 1st preference to anyone who attendended all 5matches before the all ireland and who had bought them off the club.
I think this system is balls to be honest. Last year, I added nearly all home and league games my Club was involved in. However when Tyrone was playing I sometimes wasn't able to make it due to work, and more pressingly due to the fact that I have a child (Now two!). I knew I couldn't peeve off every Sunday of the year, so I picked and choosed my Tyrone games aginst going to all Club games.
So who deserves a ticket.
Fan A: Goes to all 5 Championship games.
Fan B: Goes to nearly all Club games, and some Championship games.
Our club has a ticketing poilcy that rewards the Club man first. That's the way it should be.
why is this the way it should be??
first of, a genuine supporter goes to Mc kenna cup (or provincial equivalent) national league and championship games, Fan A who you are referring to is obviously a sunshine supporter/bandwagoner.
I know a fella who I see at every single derry game no matter where it is or what time of year, he doesnt follow a club due to a very unsavoury incident involving his father who was shockingly treated after years of service to his club.
does this mean he shouldnt get tickets should derry ever get to another all ireland final????? no it sure as hell shouldn't!!! he is very genuine and loyal supporter and shouldnt be discrimated against due to the behaviour of club officials many years ago.
in my opinion tickets stubs should be given at any intercounty game and a supporter should have to produce a certain amount of stubs before getting tickets for "big" games. its the only fair way to reward loyalty.
look at derry v dublin last week........we took 15000 to croke park.......only 750 bothered til turn up at clones for the armagh game.....had derry beaten dublin and kerry and progressed to a final no doubt the loyal 750 would have been stuck without a ticket while the people with the bigger bank balances got the tickets. typical GAA
I think the club is first priority allthough the club I am involved in is out side my own county so the few tickets for the all ireland never get to me . If you have no clubs then you have no players .
When Longford reach the AIF I can, without a shadow of a doubt, know I will get a ticket.
Possibly for the 300 years dead section.
To be honest I'd have little enough sympathy for anybody who doesn't get a ticket for a big match unless they're going to at least the home matches in the League.
In my experience anyone who that wants a ticket bad enough will find a way of getting one.
Ok, so i have a couple of points here.
I'm not in any club, but would travel to the majority of Monaghan games. I don't live in Monaghan any more, so even a home game involves and hour and a half travel. This year i was at the first match of the year - v Fermanagahn in Irvinestown for the McKenna Cup. I was at other McKenna Cup and numerous league matches. I was at all of the Championship games. If Monaghan had gone on, i would not have had a chance of a ticket for a final.
There were very few club players (never mind other members) at the McKenna cup and League games. They may be big into their club, but surely if they're big fans of their county, they'll travel to games all year round, and not just when the sun is shining? If not, would it be a very bold assumption that they are fairweather supporters of their county (note that i did not say fairweather GAA supporters!)?
Basically, i'd be all in favour of some kind of season ticket system. In a county like Monaghan, i doubt you'd get more that 1,000-2,000 people would pay for a ticket for the whole league. Set up such a system and then these people get a guaranteed choice to buy tickets for all chamionship games. Is that not fair?
Secondly, ithink the whole distribution of tickets for the AI final is flawed. Why should tickets go to every club in the country? Tickets should be split between the counties involved. Anyone here have any issues with that?
Oh, and not to single anyone out, but using the fact that you have children as the reason you can't attend all games is pretty poor. Should people with children have to attend less games to be a true fan? Should people without children be discriminated against? It's irrelevant.
So, going back to my argument above, should all those Cork fans (i.e. the not very many of them) who were in Croker today not get Final tickets before the rest of the county?
Quote from: Barney on August 18, 2007, 12:22:13 PM
Denn, I don't think there are. I reckon everyone gets sorted in the end, but that's why i'm asking the question!
The only Dublin championship game I missed in the whole decade of the 90s, home or away, was the 1995 All Ireland Final. Lost out in the draw for tickets at my club. I was gutted that Canavan didnt put his toe under the ball at the end of that game to give me a replay!
I don't rely on the club anymore.
Without a shadow of a doubt its harder for genuine Dublin fans to get sorted for All Ireland finals than most other counties. Simple mathematics, more of us, but the same amount of tickets allocated.
I believe that anyone who desperately wants a ticket will get one, barring Dublin.
There are plenty of ways of getting your hands on tickets, some people can't get them through their usual outlet then let rip at the GAA. Jesus look at the amount of tickets Fearon gets his grubby hands on!
The number of GENUINE fans who won't get tickets will be very small.
I have missed only two of derrys county games this year home and away, league included.
I rang my club looking for a ticket for the Dublin game, I was told there wasnt a chance but I would be called back anyway. No call back.
Real GAA men always get tickets. End of story. If you didn't get one you didn't deserve it.
Based on 25 years experience, a genuine supporter who is preprared to make the effort will never not get a ticket. Now if you just expect one to turn up because you either went to all the matches before now or because you are a great clubman but didn't actually do anything to get that ticket... well then of course you might be left short, but then you didn't make the effort.
Quote from: paddypastit on August 20, 2007, 09:18:13 AM
Based on 25 years experience, a genuine supporter who is preprared to make the effort will never not get a ticket. Now if you just expect one to turn up because you either went to all the matches before now or because you are a great clubman but didn't actually do anything to get that ticket... well then of course you might be left short, but then you didn't make the effort.
Ageed. Real GAA men always get tickets. Now don't get me started on wemen going to games! :-[
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 19, 2007, 01:16:48 AM
There were very few club players (never mind other members) at the McKenna cup and League games. They may be big into their club, but surely if they're big fans of their county, they'll travel to games all year round, and not just when the sun is shining? If not, would it be a very bold assumption that they are fairweather supporters of their county (note that i did not say fairweather GAA supporters!)?
But dont forget that many league / O'Byrne / McKenna matches clash with club games which makes it impossible for the players involved.
I think it would reflect worse on a club player to let his team down to go watch the county.
I missed two Dublin games this year in the league and a few O'Byrne due to club commitments.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 19, 2007, 01:16:48 AM
Basically, i'd be all in favour of some kind of season ticket system. In a county like Monaghan, i doubt you'd get more that 1,000-2,000 people would pay for a ticket for the whole league. Set up such a system and then these people get a guaranteed choice to buy tickets for all chamionship games. Is that not fair?
Thats what they do with the Parnell pass in Dublin and its an excellent scheme. Especially when you play with a club outside Dublin and therefore wouldnt be an "active" member at the old Dublin club come the big games.
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 19, 2007, 01:16:48 AM
Secondly, ithink the whole distribution of tickets for the AI final is flawed. Why should tickets go to every club in the country? Tickets should be split between the counties involved. Anyone here have any issues with that?
100% spot on.This would probably decrease the amount of tickets being sold on at ridiculous prices too.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 20, 2007, 09:45:34 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 19, 2007, 01:16:48 AM
Secondly, ithink the whole distribution of tickets for the AI final is flawed. Why should tickets go to every club in the country? Tickets should be split between the counties involved. Anyone here have any issues with that?
100% spot on.This would probably decrease the amount of tickets being sold on at ridiculous prices too.
Totally agree.
If you don't get an All Ireland ticket from your club, then its all about who you know - nothing to do with what kind of supporter you are.
The amount of neutrals at All Ireland final also means the occassion is always a little bit less than it would have been if full of partisan supporters.
Agree with Hound and his holiness here. As i'm not a member of a club in Dublin anymore I'm struggling at the moment to get a ticket for Sunday never mind the final
The purchase of a national league ticket would be ok in principle but what's to stop a person with lots of money buying 3 or 4 of them - surely the acid test is if you are present at the matches ?
With possibily the exception of Dublin fans, I think any genuine GAA fan will be able to lay his hands on tickets for any match.
The ticket stub idea is good in principle, but whats to stop someone collecting other peoples stubs and using them??
That's the point I was making - it's a difficult one alright - but I do agree that most people will be able to get tickets. The bit that annoys me is the huge sums paid on Ebay for tickets.
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 20, 2007, 09:45:34 AM
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 19, 2007, 01:16:48 AM
There were very few club players (never mind other members) at the McKenna cup and League games. They may be big into their club, but surely if they're big fans of their county, they'll travel to games all year round, and not just when the sun is shining? If not, would it be a very bold assumption that they are fairweather supporters of their county (note that i did not say fairweather GAA supporters!)?
But dont forget that many league / O'Byrne / McKenna matches clash with club games which makes it impossible for the players involved.
Is this really the case all over? Do club games clash with National League games? I didn't think this was the case - anyone else outside of Dublin have any insight into this?
Quote from: orangeman on August 20, 2007, 10:29:25 AM
The purchase of a national league ticket would be ok in principle but what's to stop a person with lots of money buying 3 or 4 of them - surely the acid test is if you are present at the matches ?
Well if they want to spend that money, good for them. You'd be a bit of a gambler if you bought 3 or 4 season tickets for the entire league (probably about €100 each?) on the off-chance that your county would be in Septembers AI Final. I doubt this is a realistic problem.
Quote from: Gaoth Dobhair Abu on August 20, 2007, 10:58:02 AM
With possibily the exception of Dublin fans, I think any genuine GAA fan will be able to lay his hands on tickets for any match.
The ticket stub idea is good in principle, but whats to stop someone collecting other peoples stubs and using them??
Again, as above, only so many people will have ticket stubs. When one is presented, it would be stamped and punched meaning it could only be used once. Surely those who went to the earlier matches wouldn't be handing over their stubs to someone else and miss a chance at AI tickets themselves. Again, i don't think this is really an issue.
To answer the question first and foremost. The answer is YES. Even people who served the club well through the years missed out in '04. Last year was the same as Deel Rovers' own system of handing out tickets. I still know people from other clubs that didn't get a ticket. I was lucky enough last year to attend all the club's games as well. Seen as I'm only 20 I haven't had the chance to do any officiating work in the club yet and never played football either. The next thing to that, imo is to give support when possible.
You shuld have to b in a club to get a tickets. The GAA is based on clubs so it is.
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So who deserves a ticket.
Fan A: Goes to all 5 Championship games.
Fan B: Goes to nearly all Club games, and some Championship games.
Our club has a ticketing poilcy that rewards the Club man first. That's the way it should be.
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Have to disagree.As long as tickets are in the hands of clubs then yes the clubs have a vested interest in rewarding "the club man." But that is not necessarily the way it should be.
What about those "County fans" who go to watch the team play in every McKenna Cup game,every National League game, home and away, all U21 Championship games,any Ulster Minor League games they can get to and of course every Championship game.
What if that fan had no interest in club football? Are you seriously telling me that come AIF Day the tea maker for the club who has'nt been to a County game in her life and has probably only heard of 3 or 4 of the players is more entitled to a ticket than a "County Fan"?
If Dublin get to the final there will be many genuine fans who won't get a ticket. I don't know what the situation is like in other counties, but if Dublin get to the All-Ireland final, I am going to have the father and mother of a job getting a ticket. In 1995 I was extremely lucky to get one from a friend in Limerick after drawing a blank from the club. In '92 I got two from the club, and in '94 got three - a bonanza almost. Somehow I think this year will be more difficult if Dublin are there. Last year wouldn't have been a problem as I had a Parnell Park pass then, but I didn't renew it this year. i'm beginning to regret that decision now. Sunday won't be a problem, there will be tickets floating around in the pubs outside Croke Park. Apart from All-Ireland finals, there always is.
QuoteHave to disagree.As long as tickets are in the hands of clubs then yes the clubs have a vested interest in rewarding "the club man." But that is not necessarily the way it should be.
Yes it is. Without the club man there'd be no county matches for the sunshiners to go and see.
Quoteso it is
Some evidence that AFSA is really a Tyrone man. ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 21, 2007, 09:26:37 AM
QuoteHave to disagree.As long as tickets are in the hands of clubs then yes the clubs have a vested interest in rewarding "the club man." But that is not necessarily the way it should be.
Yes it is. Without the club man there'd be no county matches for the sunshiners to go and see.
Not much sunshine at the McKenna Cup or at the National league Seanie.
The GAA is quite happy to take my money all year to watch the county team, why should'nt that earn me some sort of preferential treatment when it comes to tickets for big games.
On anonther note, how much football does a county player actually play for his club?
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on August 21, 2007, 08:13:18 PM
Not much sunshine at the McKenna Cup or at the National league Seanie.
The GAA is quite happy to take my money all year to watch the county team, why should'nt that earn me some sort of preferential treatment when it comes to tickets for big games.
On anonther note, how much football does a county player actually play for his club?
For me the ethos of the GAA is built primarily on giving rather than receiving. As such that's why you shouldn't be given preferential treatment ahead of the club bus driver / the tea maker / the groundsman etc. It's takes a lot of time to run the club and sometimes it will be to the detriment of seeing the county teams. Over the course of the year, it's quite a few hours, voluntarily and often at their own cost - why shouldn't they get the occasional perk - unless your from Kerry or Kilkenny it's not every year you're in an All-Ireland final.
About county men playing for the club, what I can say is in Tyrone County men would have played at least a dozen club league games in 03/05 plus Club Championship. This year, they'll finish up playing 16 - 18 league games I'd say.
whoever buys it should 1..get to the match and then 2.. hand the ticket back to Croke park to report the sc**bag who sells these on e-bay
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 08:48:54 PM
I am in 2 minds about tickets on flea bay. Yes its wrong, but it can be the only way of obtaining a ticket for some people.
If Laois ever got to a All Ireland Final and i had no ticket i would have no hesitation in buying a ticket on ebay
As a matter of interest, how many of ye still could not get a ticket for tomorrow?
The lad that was coming with me, his aunt died. I have a spare Premium if your in a hoult!
There's plenty of tickets available for the Dublin v Kerry game right now outside Quinns - people have handfuls spare - so don't panic.