gonna be some match. dublin to win
It might not be a great game at all, but I'm also taking the Dubs, the final v Meath will be some craic!!
Quote from: Bogball XV on August 12, 2007, 03:44:58 PM
It might not be a great game at all, but I'm also taking the Dubs, the final v Meath will be some craic!!
Don't put the jinx on us! >:(
The Cheeky Dubs all the way now. :P
Talking to Dublin fans after game yesterday and the general concensus was that Kerry would beat us (if it was to be Kerry).Dublin are due a bit of luck against them and I hope we get it Sunday week.
Expect a truckload of Kerry cutehoorism over the next 2 weeks to seep out of the kingdom.
I'm dreading this game!
Quote from: Tankie on August 12, 2007, 10:17:21 PM
I'm dreading this game!
Why dread it Tankie, sure just pretend that you's are an Ulster team and you'll give
the Kingdom no end of problems ;)
Kerry to win easily
Has to be Dublin. Our one-dimensinal play was exposed today and we have no plan B. Hopefully we wont embarass ourselves
in front of the baying dubs..that would be to much to take.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 12, 2007, 10:24:40 PM
Has to be Dublin. Our one-dimensinal play was exposed today and we have no plan B. Hopefully we wont embarass ourselves
in front of the baying dubs..that would be to much to take.
You forgot to add one of these MS -- ;)
Quote from: we are blue... etc on August 12, 2007, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 12, 2007, 10:24:40 PM
Has to be Dublin. Our one-dimensinal play was exposed today and we have no plan B. Hopefully we wont embarass ourselves
in front of the baying dubs..that would be to much to take.
You forgot to add one of these MS -- ;)
I think more than one is called for.
I'm serious. We have no chance against the Dublin Juggaurnaut (especially with all the ABK nordies jumping on the bandwagon). Nope,no doubt about it, Dublin are destinys child.
Ahem....... Mikey i don't think its just the Dubs and the "nordies" that
want to see Kerry get their shite home with them in a bag :-*
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 12, 2007, 11:00:12 PM
Ahem....... Mikey i don't think its just the Dubs and the "nordies" that
want to see Kerry get their shite home with them in a bag :-*
Speak for yourself..I'll be a Kerry man for the day when they play Dublin
Quotewant to see Kerry get their shite home with them in a bag
Must be a fair stink in your home so, what with all that shite ye dragged home
last week
Na, just what i have to keep shovelling back everytime you post :-*
Something rather sad about Kerry's tactics of kicking the ball as long, high and hard as they can from the half-back/midfield area in sheer hope, devoid of all skill. That's what I call puke football, scouring the basketball courts to find a fella to stand on the edge of the box.
Hard luck Farney. You could see in McEnaney's eyes afterwards the absolute disappointment. I do believe they were convinced they could win the All-Ireland.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 12, 2007, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 12, 2007, 11:00:12 PM
Ahem....... Mikey i don't think its just the Dubs and the "nordies" that
want to see Kerry get their shite home with them in a bag :-*
Speak for yourself..I'll be a Kerry man for the day when they play Dublin
I'd say you'd cheers for England before you's cheer for Dublin ;) but i suppose you've got your english club crest up now so back to the barstool for you. Incase you missed it today when you were watching the UTD game, Limerick won today!
I was actually at Croke Park today
Feckin hell, on the Sunday Game tonight both Tohill and McStay tipped Dublin to beat Kerry. Spillane could only barely contain his laughter! (They both tipped Meath also).
I was sure we'd go in as heavy underdogs, be very interesting to see how the bookies call it. I don't know any Dub who'd be confident of beating Kerry. Its 6 or 7 times in a row they've knocked us out of the championship, since our last championship victory over them in 1977. Maybe being a semi-final will bring us luck!
I find it very hard to be confident of winning Sam - but maybe the other 3 teams have more weaknesses. Still, if Kerry can match our hunger, then you'd have to fancy Kerry. And you can be damned sure that whoever wins the first semi-final will be praying the Dubs win the second semi! Can't wait ;D
Twill be some occasion. I fancy the Dubs. Kerry have shown nowt this year, in their 3 games.
Kerry 8/11 Dubs 6/4 Draw 13/2
If Dublin were not Dublin they would be clear fav's but we all know how Dublin can blow anything, i do believe the only reason Dublin will lose will be because we will throw it away. Which i expect them to do!
QuoteSomething rather sad about Kerry's tactics of kicking the ball as long, high and hard as they can from the half-back/midfield area in sheer hope, devoid of all skill. That's what I call puke football, scouring the basketball courts to find a fella to stand on the edge of the box.
Well, I suppose you couldnt find anyone like that in the land of the midgets so the best you could come up with was 15 talentless robots running after the ball in swarms.
Like Pat Spillane would say, thank god we saved football from heathens like Tyrone.
Pat O'Shea will be happy that Kerry scraped a win played terribly but getting a tough physical challenge. They should be better prepared for Dublin now.
If the next game comes down to football ability alone Kerry will win in a canter. It won't. The Dubs should have the edge in power, pace and hunger. It will be close.
Can Alan Brogan turn it on? He has had a poor season by his standards to date?
Will Keaney be able to exploit the Kerry full-back line or can the Kingdom improve on yesterdays showing?
Will Kerry leave the half-forward line intact - Brosnan and Galvin have been subbed the last two games. Will it be strong enough to deal with Dublin's strongest line or can Brosnan's running hit Cullen where he is weakest?
Will McConnell be exposed again?
Dublin have a strong settled midfield. Will Dara O Se bully Whelo, and will he have an able deputy alongside him?
Can Kerry vary their play?
Is Pat O'Shea a convincing manager?
The answers to the above will go a long way to deciding who will win. For me, and from bad experience, it is dangerous to back against Kerry.
A Munster Final repeat on the third Sunday in September - Kerry v Cork.
Kerry by 8 points, we have no chance.
It will not be a case of Kerry winning, more a case of Dublin losing, like all over-hyped teams they lack the stomach for a battle and tend to fold quickly under pressure. They have the ability to destroy Kerry and the attitude to destroy themselves
Fancy Kerry by about 5 if they start Tommy "Two Litre" and bring in O'Sullivan for Eoin Brosnan. Brogan v Marc O'Se will be a massive battle assuming they pair up. If Mike Mac was still with us I wouldnt lose any sleep at all but this, unfortunately is not the case. Who was the 3rd inside forward the Jackeen's started with the other day?? Will Jayo be brought in again?
i fancy Kerry solely on the basis that they can score alot of goals against use, wouldnt be suprised if be let in 3 goals! :'(
Quote from: Tankie on August 13, 2007, 09:24:01 PM
i fancy Kerry solely on the basis that they can score alot of goals against use, wouldnt be suprised if be let in 3 goals! :'(
I see you boys are getting the hang of the cute hoorism . I did not see the Derry match so I wont comment until I see it . Both full back lines look shakey . Still by the time the media hype it up we will all be in a state
Quote from: johnpower on August 13, 2007, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: Tankie on August 13, 2007, 09:24:01 PM
i fancy Kerry solely on the basis that they can score alot of goals against use, wouldnt be suprised if be let in 3 goals! :'(
I see you boys are getting the hang of the cute hoorism . I did not see the Derry match so I wont comment until I see it . Both full back lines look shakey . Still by the time the media hype it up we will all be in a state
Jaysus they'll be wheeling them all out...and getting poor Paddy Cullen to do a reconstruction of the Sheehy chip.
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Kiss of Death Time...I fancy the Dubs for this one!! Key factors:
Monaghan roughed up Kerry and they didn't like it...do the Dubs have the players to do the same and still be able to play football and take scores??
As well as being a string of bat's piss and having a mouth the size of Cork, Donaghy is looking more and more like a one season wonder. I'm sure the video of the Monaghan game makes interesting viewing for Pillar.
Galvin will probably get himself sent off.
The ref?? With no Ulster teams to give him a natural bias will he let Kerry away with the high tackles that Coldrick did on Sunday. Will he let forwards foul all day yet yellow card the first person to ladder Cooper's tights?? How strictly will he interpret the new rule that states "if the player in possession is surrounded by more than two opposing players you must give him the free even if they are tackling him legally or even not touching him at all. If he falls to ground you must also award a free".
Do the Dubs have the bottle??
Did anyone get the impression Kerry did what they needed to do and no more and had much more in the tank?
Even ten or so minutes to go with Monaghan 3 up, I was 100% certain Kerry would win the game, seemed like just a matter of time to me.
If they step it up to the level they are capable of, the will beat Dublin.
Nowt to do with Dublin bottling, Kerry are the most talented side in the country, if they are at their best, nobody can beat them.
I just hope they arent and maybe we can squeeze a lucky win with the help of the referee ;)
Unlikely though.
My feeling on the Kerry v. Monaghan game was that Monaghan are a really good team and the 6 week break meant Kerry were just not at 100%. Kerry had to circle the wagons and dig deep to squeeze through but I feel the game will have brought them on a bomb. I especially think the pace of the Monaghan forwards is good prep for the Dublin forwards who are probably even quicker. I'd expect Kerry to at the very least get an even break in midfield (Would think Griffin should come in for Scanlon) and the winning/losing of the game will be the Kerry ff line v. Dubs fb line. I think Kerry can skin them and that's why I'd go for them to win. HHNB is right - Kerry at 100% are the best around and if they are close to that they will win. I suppose I want Kerry to win (no offence to Dubs - wouldn't begrudge it to most of the Dubs on here or most of the players) so maybe that's clouding the judgement a wee bit but we'll see. Should be a great game anyhow.
Magpie
Do you not think the Dublin forwards could skin the Kerry defence??? Remember Monaghan scored 1-12 and could have had 3/4 more goals as well as kicking some poor wides etc.....and Dublin scored 18 points against a Derry defence that is probably stronger than Kerrys???
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 12, 2007, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: Tyrones own on August 12, 2007, 11:00:12 PM
Ahem....... Mikey i don't think its just the Dubs and the "nordies" that
want to see Kerry get their shite home with them in a bag :-*
Speak for yourself..I'll be a Kerry man for the day when they play Dublin
jaysus change the feckin tune laosilad, you'll support whoever plays against dublin, we get the idea, now run along to watch sky super sunday will you. you abd is typical soccer crapism. :P
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 14, 2007, 11:34:47 AM
Magpie
Do you not think the Dublin forwards could skin the Kerry defence??? Remember Monaghan scored 1-12 and could have had 3/4 more goals as well as kicking some poor wides etc.....and Dublin scored 18 points against a Derry defence that is probably stronger than Kerrys???
now now dfs, we havent a hope, kerry will walk all over us, but sher we'll turn up on the day and give it a rattle. ;D
I think something that has gone unnoticed after Dublin's last game is that Dublin only had 8/9 wides which is a lot better than the 18 they where averaging before
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 14, 2007, 11:34:47 AM
Magpie
Do you not think the Dublin forwards could skin the Kerry defence??? Remember Monaghan scored 1-12 and could have had 3/4 more goals as well as kicking some poor wides etc.....and Dublin scored 18 points against a Derry defence that is probably stronger than Kerrys???
But what did derry score against dublin 15 points and it could have been a draw if it wasn't for the great block by cahill at the end, the Dublin full back line is going to be severly tested in the semi againt kerry and they can't afford to give that kerry fullforward line the room they gave the derry fowards in the 1st ten miuntes or they will be under pressure, any team with tomas and marc o'shea and aidan o' mahony won't be skinned (imho) hopefully it will be a great game and live up to all the hype
Jaysus touch wood gnevin!!! ;)
So 28 wides next time to get our average back in line :o
dont even joke about it!!!
The last time we played Kerry, Alan Brogan on his own kicked something like 7 wides.
QuoteMagpie
Do you not think the Dublin forwards could skin the Kerry defence??? Remember Monaghan scored 1-12 and could have had 3/4 more goals as well as kicking some poor wides etc.....and Dublin scored 18 points against a Derry defence that is probably stronger than Kerrys???
Yes, I think it is possible and I did say that I thought Dublins forwards were extremely quick. I just think that all told that Kerry didn't do all that badly against Monaghan's very good and speedy forwards when you take the rustiness of the 6 week layoff into account. I think Kerry's backs will come on for the workout but as you rightly highlinght they mauy not improve enough. That's part of the glorious unpredictability of it and what stops me from being a millionaire. 0-18 points and 3-16 to previous day are serious tallies alright. Kerry will have to be disciplined from 50 metres in as Vaughan doesn't miss but Kerry's back are usually pretty disciplined.
I'm not writing Dublin off at all. just if I had to call it I'd lean towards Kerry based on some assumptions outlined. If my assumptions are wrong then Dubs will probably win.
It'll be a tight one alright, especially for the referee and the suits at HQ.
With no Nordie b****rd team to give decisions against it's a toss up between the Sam starved Capital Men and the Saviours of Gaelic Football as to who gets the nod.
Kerry to get a dubious penalty in first half
Whelan to stay on pitch after mowing down DOS during the pre-match parade
Donaghy to get translator to interpet the Dubs savoury lingo in the full back line
Dubs to ask for same
Steps rule suspended for 70min
All square entering injury time.................................. come on you boy in black ;)
Quote from: tyroneman on August 14, 2007, 01:34:15 PM
Kerry to get a dubious penalty in first half
A penalty? Against Dublin? In Croke Park?
As a matter of interest, can anyone tell me when was the last time a team was awarded a penalty against Dublin in the Championship?
Tyrone in the replay, Very dubious one it was to, thought it was a spectacular tackle from Shephen O'Shaugnessy myself but ref gave it.
Agreed - a spectacular tackle by O'Shaughnessy clearly disposessing the Tyrone forward but the ref gave the penalty...
QuoteA penalty? Against Dublin? In Croke Park?
Ye have to give to recieve...................
Tyrone's one definitely shouldnt have been given, it was a terrific tackle by Shocko. It was dubious also whether the tackle started inside the area. But from where the ref was standing it looked a pen, so it was just one of those things.
I have a vauge recollection that Kerry got a pen against us in one of our three championship meetings this decade.
Remeber fecking Cork 2 against us in the semi-final one year, and Cleary I tihnk it was buried them both. John O'Leary was an all time great goalie, but he was brutal at penalties.
Was in Croker on Sat (spying) and think Dublin will really put it up to us on Sunday week, their forwards are fast and can score when given the space, we will need a huge improvement from our full back line on Sunday's experience. The Dublin midfield were dominant for long periods but then fell asleep near the end, Derry created some amount of chances and the Dublin Defence was very stretched at times, we need a big improvements from all our forwards, we can hardly play as bad again. McConnell had a torrid time against Bradley and hopefully he will have the same against Donaghy. Paul Galvin is in a sling and will be a huge loss to us, this game would be made for him. Darragh O'Se versus Ciaran Whelan is just one of many key battles ot look forward to.
Its hard to call it but once my head comes around from last weekend will put some thoughts down but for the moment we will enjoy our 7th Quarter final win in a row, buts here's an omen, if we beat the Dubs and thats a big if, it will be the 7th time in a row beating them in Championship football. Anyone remember who won in 1978, 1978, 1984, 1985, 2001, and 2004 ??
But being the 30th anniversary of the so called greatest game ever the hype will be massive, personally after seeing that game a few times it was error riden, but you cant beat the media for hyping it up, yesterday there were 2 pages on the Kerry Monaghan Game in the Indo but 5 on the Dublin Derry game which was already covered in the Sunday papers.
If there is one thing that gets a Kerryman's blood boiling more that than the sight of a Langers Jersey its the Jackeens Jersey.
Its the City Slickers verses the Culchies, it could be a scoring feast depending if both team go out to play or a slug fest if the physical stakes are raised. Either way it will be a battle and I cant wait...The Good Book of Yerra says bring it on.
I'd say are not really looking forward to the game that much.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 14, 2007, 02:02:52 PM
Paul Galvin is in a sling and will be a huge loss to us, this game would be made for him.
To echo one of your county folk: Were Kerry soft or Monaghan dirty? ;)
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 14, 2007, 12:23:23 PM
Kerry will have to be disciplined from 50 metres in as Vaughan doesn't miss but Kerry's back are usually pretty disciplined.
"doesn't miss" should be replaced with "hasn't missed".
Big difference!
I think who ever wins the middle of field will win this game and with Kerry only have 1 in the middle i'm leaning towards Dublin but that all depends on how Whelan ,Ryan and Cluxton preform
Galvin will be a massive loss to Kerry in this game. With him i would fancy Kerry, he more then DOS would drive Whelan daft. without him its the dubs for me.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2007, 02:42:35 PM
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 14, 2007, 02:02:52 PM
Paul Galvin is in a sling and will be a huge loss to us, this game would be made for him.
To echo one of your county folk: Were Kerry soft or Monaghan dirty? ;)
Has anyone seen this sling ? We all know these what these Kerry folk are like with the cutehoorism :P
I think there will be an awful lot of interesting matchups in this game....
McConnell on Donaghy...adv Kerry
Henry on MFR... adv Dublin
Griffen on Cooper...adv Kerry
Casey on Galvin/Sheehan...adv Kerry
Cullen on Brosnan...draw
Cahill on O'Sullivan..adv Dublin
O'Se/Scanlon v's Whelan/Ryan..draw....(interesting to see do Whelan/O'Se mark each other...if I was Caffrey I would want Ryan on O'Se and drag him out to the sideline)
O'Se on Moran..adv Kerry
O'Mahony on Sherlock...draw
Reidy on Brogan...adv Dublin
O'Se on Brogan....draw
O'Sullivan on Keaney...adv Dublin
Vaughan on Young...adv Dublin
So battle around the middle is crucial as think both full forward lines have the beating of the full back lines....
If Galvin is out it is a big loss to Kerry I think even though Sheahan is probably a better point taker and long range free taker I think they will lose out on the breaking ball....
Could be a career defining game for Whelan because if he performs well against O'Se and Dublin win people might start accepting he is a great mid-fielder..
While have been confident we would win all the games up till now and never during them thought we would lose this is the big one....a win here and a possible All-Ireland would be the perfect thing to give this Dublin team the real confident boost that they need to express themselves and strengthen themselves mentally...
jesus no one ever picks kerry, i'd say it 3:1 people picking dublin, no wonder the bookies clean up in this country! to be honest i have a worry about cork if they get to the final. i think they can take us esp as we robbed them already this year (before we robbed monaghan). looks like galvin is out for the dublin game ( ;D) but will be back for the final
QuoteTo echo one of your county folk: Were Kerry soft or Monaghan dirty?
Monaghan played very close to the edge.
One thing we are sure about though is that Tyrone were soft.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2007, 08:18:19 PM
QuoteTo echo one of your county folk: Were Kerry soft or Monaghan dirty?
Monaghan played very close to the edge.
One thing we are sure about though is that Tyrone were soft.
MS thought they went over the edge a couple of times.
Where are the tickets for this one going ?
How many are being sent to Kerry?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2007, 08:18:19 PM
One thing we are sure about though is that Tyrone were soft.
Who in Tyrone ended up with his arm in a sling after the Monaghan game? ???
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 14, 2007, 11:57:50 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 14, 2007, 08:18:19 PM
One thing we are sure about though is that Tyrone were soft.
Who in Tyrone ended up with his arm in a sling after the Monaghan game? ???
Ah Mike what are you on about ? Sunday was a physical Match with a lot of hard hits on both sides . From what I saw Monaghan were just as physical in the Ulster final . Apart from Rambo Clerkin I have no complaints with them .
Quotejesus no one ever picks kerry, i'd say it 3:1 people picking dublin, no wonder the bookies clean up in this country!
This board follows a pattern when ever Kerry play
1) Immeditaely after the game: They are shite ..christ they cant do anything right..fiece lucky.. I'd fancy <insert next opponent> to bate em
2) Few days later: They are shite..christ they cant do anything right...still, they are Kerry they''ll improve
3) Few more days later : Lads, I'm telling ye <insert last opponent> are a tough team...but I still fancy <insert next opponent> to take them..it'll be close though
4) A few days befre the game: Kerry wont be as poor again...<insert next opponent> will give them a tough game but Kerry to pull away by 3-4
5) <insert next opponent> are shite..sure Kerry will hammer ye...the gooch is gonna get you, the goch is gonna get ya
6) Kerry by 10 (cue mass exodus to the bookies to put money on Kerry)
QuoteWho in Tyrone ended up with his arm in a sling after the Monaghan game?
Genuinely getting injured is no shame..going down repeatedly would indicate some level of softness dont you think ?..... unless <shock, horror> they were just trying to waste time
.....no !! never!!...sorry, how could I think such a thing.
Dubs are the better team, Kerry have invented a horrible one dimensional game - a tactically inept bastardisation of Gaelic Football whish is more like Aussie rules than GAA. They also need men lined every game, normally one of the Oses. Ill not shed any tears when the Dubs make them look like a shower of tossers. Thats it for kerry Football, back to the kingdom with this team which I guarntee will not win any more all irelands.
Quoteunless <shock, horror> they were just trying to waste time
Like Marc O'Se after Monaghan got the first two scores. Don't try to pin that one on Tyrone. Every single team in the country does it. Monaghan did it in the second half.
Quote from: neutral on August 15, 2007, 08:43:25 AM
Thats it for kerry Football, back to the kingdom with this team which I guarntee will not win any more all irelands.
Jaysus thats a bold statement!!
I see the Irish News have echoed my sentiments about Kerry's tactics v Monaghan. Only one team tried to play attractive gaelic football that day. Kerry just repeatedly lumped the ball into the square a la an U16 Grade 3 minor side. Makes me sick.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 14, 2007, 05:21:43 PM
I think there will be an awful lot of interesting matchups in this game....
McConnell on Donaghy...adv Kerry
Henry on MFR... adv Dublin
Griffen on Cooper...adv Kerry
O'Se/Scanlon v's Whelan/Ryan..draw....(interesting to see do Whelan/O'Se mark each other...if I was Caffrey I would want Ryan on O'Se and drag him out to the sideline)
Could be a career defining game for Whelan because if he performs well against O'Se and Dublin win people might start accepting he is a great mid-fielder..
Hopefully Whelan will be 100% fit. I glad we're not playing this week as he wouldnt be then. I heard he won't train at all this week, but hopefully by Sunday week, he'll be A1.
Our full back line will really have their hands full. Henry had an iffy game against Derry - he often let his man have too much room, but at the same time, never once did his man go by him, to score he had to kick big points. I thought Griffin did really well on Bradley having looked at the game again. Bradley was under great pressure every time he got the ball when Griff was on him, and again he never got by Griffin. However, Bradley did do Grffin once - right at the death when he caught that high ball, and thankfully Cahill was there to bail us out. It is a hazard of play in the full back line that one mistake could ruin 69 minutes of decent play.
I'm really interested to see what our plan is for Donaghy. The only plan I can think of that might have some element of success is damage limitation. Accept that Donaghy will win the high balls, let him have it, but don't let him goalside, and try to reduce his options by marking the corner forwards and the runners tightly. If McConnell challenges for the 50/50s and loses, then Kerry will likely be in on goal.
A big game required for Cullen, and I'm not overly confident. Cullen doenst like tracking a Brosnan-type player, one who is constantly making runs. Cullen is stronger, but Brosnan is faster. Moran wouldnt be half the centre back Cullen is, but I think he'd do a better job on Brosnan.
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I'm really interested to see what our plan is for Donaghy. The only plan I can think of that mighh have some element of success is damage limitation. Accept that Donaghy will win the high balls, let him have it, but don't let him goalside, and try to reduce his options by marking the corner forwards and the runners tightly. If McConnell challenges for the 50/50s and loses, then Kerry will likely be in on goal.
Sounds ideal but a recipe for disaster. If you're going to allow Donaghy to have some level of success you'll have a cavalcade of runners waiting for a lay-off. You need to compete with Kieran, on the edge of legality, and have enough support to pick up the breaking ball as Monaghan did. Kerry's only goal came from a defender's mistake. Ideally, prevent the ball coming in but easier said than done.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2007, 12:09:50 AM
QuoteWho in Tyrone ended up with his arm in a sling after the Monaghan game?
Genuinely getting injured is no shame..going down repeatedly would indicate some level of softness dont you think ?..... unless <shock, horror> they were just trying to waste time
.....no !! never!!...sorry, how could I think such a thing.
So what about Donaghy, Dara O'Sé, Gooch, Marc O'Sé, jeez I lost count of the times the Kerry lads were prostrated on the deck against Monaghan. Just trying to give you a little neutral perspective here, and this is
not an anti-Kerry diatribe.
I now think Spillanes mask has finally slipped entirely off his face to reveal his arse. His comments in that rag last Sunday were tantamount to promoting xenophobia in the GAA. He is not selling our games, hes selling his own lies and hes polarising many northern counties not just Tyrone and Armagh. He is a disgrace, I have went to matches and received hostile reactions as a Tyrone Fan from other counties supporters who are simply repeating what this asshole has been drumming up since August 2003. I am wqatching no more Sunday game until that asshole is taken off it. How dare he besmirch the name of our county and our province?
An spalpin fanach rules.
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2007, 09:51:23 AM
I have went to matches and received hostile reactions
Well at least you have came home safely.
Quote from: Hardy on August 15, 2007, 10:06:58 AM
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2007, 09:51:23 AM
I have went to matches and received hostile reactions
Well at least you have came home safely.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Hardy, Its creeping in Im tellin ye.
just ignore spillane rrhf, i stopped buying that paper he writes for ages ago i can't suffer the sunday game because of the tool.Sure even his own mother can't stand him ;)
Ive a bee in my bonnet about him and his lies, hes definitely going to get a very public roading from RTE one of these days and I for one will laugh at the hoor. I think rather than accept his views there should be more protest ants from the North commenting on this.
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2007, 10:25:54 AM
Ive a bee in my bonnet about him and his lies, hes definitely going to get a very public roading from RTE one of these days and I for one will laugh at the hoor. I think rather than accept his views there should be more protest ants from the North commenting on this.
what has this to do with religion rrhf ;)
For heavens sake would you quit your whinging
Dubs for Sam I wish you luck, but for your own sake I hope youse dont beat Kerry, Everyone will hate ye.
rrhf
Sure everyone hates us anyway - we might as well give them a reason to hate us...
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2007, 12:09:50 AM
QuoteWho in Tyrone ended up with his arm in a sling after the Monaghan game?
Genuinely getting injured is no shame..going down repeatedly would indicate some level of softness dont you think ?..... unless <shock, horror> they were just trying to waste time
.....no !! never!!...sorry, how could I think such a thing.
Mike. I think you're been a bit Spillane like and trying to be unfair for the sake of it.
I don't think Monaghan lay down or tried to waste time with injuries. Talking to Dermot McArdle last night, his shoulder injury from Coppers fould in the corner is giving him bother and he may not make our club championship game on Sunday week. Tommy Freemans injury was clear to see for everyone as he slide off the pitch and Gary McQuaid has struggled with back injuries iin the past.
I can't think of any other times where Monaghan lay down. Remember there was only 3 mins of injury time plus when Monaghan win a free you'll note that its part of there plan to move it immediately and they done this repeated on Sunday.
As had been said it was a physical game. If it was Hurling we'd be raving about these madmen with sticks tearing into each other. Let the footballers have a bit of contact. I've heard no complants from the Kerry squad, only actual credit for a tough game.
Quote from: DUBSFORSAM1 on August 15, 2007, 10:33:57 AM
rrhf
Sure everyone hates us anyway - we might as well give them a reason to hate us...
ah we don't hate ye Dfs you just think we do ;) siege mentality and all that
Were Monaghan dirty ? I thought it was a good game but a lot of posters are saying that they were dirty ??
There was no dirt in the game at all from what I saw.
Agree with you Magpie - I thought it was just tough championship football - maybe Dick Clerkin was a bit over the top with Donaghy but I think it was just his momentum and there was no intent.
i thought it was a good hard physical game of football ,what did people want monaghan to do? Sit back and admire kerry play football.I just wished Mayo played like monaghan last year in the All ireland final >:( >:(
Quote from: ONeill on August 15, 2007, 09:17:13 AM
I see the Irish News have echoed my sentiments about Kerry's tactics v Monaghan. Only one team tried to play attractive gaelic football that day. Kerry just repeatedly lumped the ball into the square a la an U16 Grade 3 minor side. Makes me sick.
Careful there, you'll have the football
fascists hypocrites 'purists' heavily on your case. Couldn't agree more, all this 60 degrees-in-the-air hoofing and hoping for the best is crap. Apologies to the nostalgists.
Bad news on the ref front, we got the second shortest straw John Bannon (the shortest being Gerry Keneevy).
I honestly hoped we would never see him again but unfortunately, no such luck.
What do the dubs fans think of Mr Bannon.
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On and off-pitch glory for man in middle Bannon
JOHN BANNON'S appointment as referee for the mouth-watering Dublin v Kerry All-Ireland SFC semi-final capped a great weekend for the Longford official following the birth of his second child.
Bannon, who took charge of the 1998 and 2002 All-Ireland finals, has been handed the plum tie at Croke Park on Sunday week and it marks another landmark fixture for Longford referees in 2007.
Eugene Murtagh took charge of the All-Ireland club football final and Derek Fahy was the man in the middle when Tyrone beat Monaghan in the Ulster final.
Longford county board Chairman Martin Skelly said: "It's been a great year for Longford referees and we wish John well with this one. "Last weekend was a hectic one for John as his wife Paula gave birth to their daughter Grace on Saturday morning. John ran the line for the Kerry-Monaghan quarterfinal on Sunday and when the news broke on Monday that he was appointed for the semi-final, it crowned a wonderful weekend.
"John and Paula already have a son Mark, who is five years of age, and we're delighted for them."
Jaysus he's breedin.
This game could also be Pillar Caffrey's last game in charge, as its the end of his three year term. I believe that even if Dubs win Sam, Pillar will step down.
Probably a discussion for another day, but at the moment I believe the contenders for the job are Clarke, Talty and Val Andrews. Not sure if Brian Mullins will throw his hat in the ring after what happened last time - but now Bailey is gone, perhaps there is still a chance. And I'm sure the likes of Bealin and O'Leary would try and throw their hat in the ring if afforded the opportunity.
Jesus hound, hopefully Pillar is a bit more ticked skinned that Jack O'Connor or he may be giving out about you in his book.
The Dublin lads I know do not seem to have great faith in Pillar but he has lead them to three provincial titles on the trot. Still you should wait until he announced his decision to step down before selecting his successor.
My theory on Kerry's style, or lack thereof, on Sunday is that, playing rusty and from memory in the first half, they stayed in touch with a rampant Monaghan, as the best teams always manage to do, even when playing badly. Then, I'd guess, at half time there were instructions to use Donaghy (because there had been hardly any high balls in in the first half). The players duly complied and still stayed in touch but not in touch enough to win.
Then, wilfully or unconsciously, the experienced lads took over with the game in the fire and, knowing how to win a match, did what had to be done. Dara woke up, his brothers rowed in, they played from instinct and the last three points came from the abandonment of the up-and-under – that and the combination of Monaghan's confusion about who should mark Sheehan and Kerry's innate ability to capitalise on that.
Quote from: Hardy on August 15, 2007, 02:13:00 PM
My theory on Kerry's style, or lack thereof, on Sunday is that, playing rusty and from memory in the first half, they stayed in touch with a rampant Monaghan, as the best teams always manage to do, even when playing badly. Then, I'd guess, at half time there were instructions to use Donaghy (because there had been hardly any high balls in in the first half). The players duly complied and still stayed in touch but not in touch enough to win.
Then, wilfully or unconsciously, the experienced lads took over with the game in the fire and, knowing how to win a match, did what had to be done. Dara woke up, his brothers rowed in, they played from instinct and the last three points came from the abandonment of the up-and-under – that and the combination of Monaghan's confusion about who should mark Sheehan and Kerry's innate ability to capitalise on that.
Good summary Hardy, think that sums it up really! Monaghan's lack of experience, Kerry's experience and Kerry's bench won it!
A dub told me at the match on Saturday that joeKeran is already lined up, for the pillers job regradless of how hes does this year.
Quote from: rrhf on August 15, 2007, 02:19:51 PM
A dub told me at the match on Saturday that joeKeran is already lined up, for the pillers job regradless of how hes does this year.
Yeah but only if the dream team of Lord Lucan and Shergar aren't interested
Quote from: Hardy on August 15, 2007, 02:13:00 PM
My theory on Kerry's style, or lack thereof, on Sunday is that, playing rusty and from memory in the first half, they stayed in touch with a rampant Monaghan, as the best teams always manage to do, even when playing badly. Then, I'd guess, at half time there were instructions to use Donaghy (because there had been hardly any high balls in in the first half). The players duly complied and still stayed in touch but not in touch enough to win.
Then, wilfully or unconsciously, the experienced lads took over with the game in the fire and, knowing how to win a match, did what had to be done. Dara woke up, his brothers rowed in, they played from instinct and the last three points came from the abandonment of the up-and-under – that and the combination of Monaghan's confusion about who should mark Sheehan and Kerry's innate ability to capitalise on that.
Watching the game last night I still can't figure out myself who was picking him up ???
There was 3 players around Sheehan when he scored the equaliser.
Monaghan beat Kerry 1-11 to 1-10. The Kerry bench beat the Monaghan bench 0-2 to 0-0.
In 2004 Kerry drew with Limerick in a tough game and then went on to win their remaining games quite comfortably.
In 2006 Kerry lost to Cork and won their remaining games comfortably (in the end re. Armagh).
Perhaps for 2007 Monaghan will follow the same pattern as Cork and Limerick.
QuoteI now think Spillanes mask has finally slipped entirely off his face to reveal his arse. His comments in that rag last Sunday were tantamount to promoting xenophobia in the GAA. He is not selling our games, hes selling his own lies and hes polarising many northern counties not just Tyrone and Armagh. He is a disgrace, I have went to matches and received hostile reactions as a Tyrone Fan from other counties supporters who are simply repeating what this asshole has been drumming up since August 2003. I am wqatching no more Sunday game until that asshole is taken off it. How dare he besmirch the name of our county and our province?
An spalpin fanach rules.
What about the Paddy Heaneys etc, etc in the Northern press who constantly snipe at Kerry....and Brolly, who cant start a sentence without trying to discredit Kerrys past wins...(mimiced by many on this board).
QuoteSo what about Donaghy, Dara O'Sé, Gooch, Marc O'Sé, jeez I lost count of the times the Kerry lads were prostrated on the deck against Monaghan. Just trying to give you a little neutral perspective here, and this is not an anti-Kerry diatribe.
err...we were trailing till the last minute. Those were obviously genuine injuries....they are hardly going to go down and waste time in that situation are they ?
QuoteBad news on the ref front, we got the second shortest straw John Bannon (the shortest being Gerry Keneevy).
I honestly hoped we would never see him again but unfortunately, no such luck.
Fair assessment of two of the "top" referees in the country - lucky neither of you are called Armagh, then you would have reason to be worried. They must be saving Gerry for the Final!!!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
QuoteSo what about Donaghy, Dara O'Sé, Gooch, Marc O'Sé, jeez I lost count of the times the Kerry lads were prostrated on the deck against Monaghan. Just trying to give you a little neutral perspective here, and this is not an anti-Kerry diatribe.
err...we were trailing till the last minute. Those were obviously genuine injuries....they are hardly going to go down and waste time in that situation are they ?
On the deck just as often as the Tyrone lads were against Monaghan, if not more. Forget about who was leading and when: your original question (after the Tyrone vs Monaghan game) about whether we were soft or Monaghan dirty; same question applies to Kerry vs Monaghan, only more so, i.e., the same Monaghan team came out on both occasions.
By the way, do you just detest Donaghy's Tyrone lineage, and inded that of MFR too?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 15, 2007, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 15, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
QuoteSo what about Donaghy, Dara O'Sé, Gooch, Marc O'Sé, jeez I lost count of the times the Kerry lads were prostrated on the deck against Monaghan. Just trying to give you a little neutral perspective here, and this is not an anti-Kerry diatribe.
err...we were trailing till the last minute. Those were obviously genuine injuries....they are hardly going to go down and waste time in that situation are they ?
On the deck just as often as the Tyrone lads were against Monaghan, if not more. Forget about who was leading and when: your original question (after the Tyrone vs Monaghan game) about whether we were soft or Monaghan dirty; same question applies to Kerry vs Monaghan, only more so, i.e., the same Monaghan team came out on both occasions.
Fear I know you and Mike will never get on but I think that they were physical last Sunday but apart from one or two incidents they were not dirty . what did you think of their performance in the Ulster final and indeed last sunday ?
By the way, do you just detest Donaghy's Tyrone lineage, and inded that of MFR too?
I think Sunday's performance mirrored it in many respects JP, except that in the Ulster Final they were behind towards the end so they weren't unsettled by the sight of the finishing line. Experience in that position cost them I think, but it's something they will certainly learn from. Very motivated, well organised, and well drilled.
I think they were equally robust in both encounters, though Clerkin was definitely very lucky to stay on as long as he did on Sunday, and a different referee would have had him walking a lot sooner (which was a fear I had about their approach, i.e., depended too much on the referee).
QuoteBy the way, do you just detest Donaghy's Tyrone lineage, and inded that of MFR too?
What ? MFR is a closet Nordie too ?
Ah, f**k it lads...one is enough. This wont do at all, at all
As far as I'm aware, his father is from Tyrone :D
And if I'm wrong, no doubt he'll have a price on my head for such a scurrilous and scandalous piece of libel! :o
heres that spailpin blog that Stephenite mentioned. Very Funny. I had to censor some bits though as they were inappropriate.
Don't Buy the Snake Oil at the Dublin v Kerry Medicine Show
The nation should start digging its fallout shelters now. A mushroom cloud of hype, blather and nonsense is about to explode in the Irish sports media, rendering the sporting landscape uninhabitable until perhaps the next fortnight at least. It's started already, with Paul Curran having his tummy tickled by Des Cahill on the wireless yesterday evening. The upcoming Meath v Cork semi-final will act as some sort of fire trench for this week, which the media will patronise in the manner of the punters at the Rolling Stones this weekend at Slaine trying not to be too mean to the support acts, but everybody knows where the their hearts – if that's the right word – lie. They're just killing time until they can see the Jumping Jacks Flash.
What's especially sickening about this great Dublin v Kerry rivalry stuff is that there isn't a great Dublin v Kerry rivalry. It's a myth, a conspiracy invented by cynical journalists and cute Kerrymen that's perpetuated a fraud on the plain people of Ireland for at least thirty years. And An Spailpín is sick of it.
Ironically, the one element of that great Dublin v Kerry myth with which An Spailpín has no argument is the only one that's ever been questioned, and that's whether or not the 1977 semi-final between the teams was the Greatest Game of All-Time. While An Spailpín has no interest in getting into an argument in trying to quantify the immeasurable, that game was repeated on TG4 a few Christmases ago and for your correspondent it was as if Santa had come back with another box of Lego. Those who talk about missed frees and dropped passes are those same people who, when you come back from climbing Everest, ask you why you didn't climb the flagpole. We pray for them, and return to the tape with poor Micheál O'Hehir's commentary for the ages. Epic, marvellous stuff.
But the rest of the myth is all baloney, quite frankly. The myth is this: the great rivals of Gaelic football since the time of the Tuatha DeDanann are Dublin and Kerry, who exist in complementary opposition in the same way that bacon and egg are the same but different, and neither is ever as good as when paired with the other. This rivalry reached its zenith in the 1970s, when the best Kerry team of all time met the best Dublin team of all time, and each was the equal of the other.
Up to a point, Lord Copper. The notion of there being some sort of equality between the teams in the 1970s or ever is not matched by the facts. In the 1970s, that so-called Golden Age, Dublin beat Kerry in 1976 and 1977, and deserved both wins. However, Kerry beat Dublin in 1975, and hammered them in 1978, '79, '84, '85 and '86. Dublin like to make faces about Brian Mullins' car crash and how he was never the same and if he hadn't had that crash yada yada yada – I often wonder what the faithful GAA men and women of Offaly think when they hear this whining.
Dublin haven't beaten Kerry in the Championship – of "Champo," if you must - since that semi-final in 1977. At all. The nearest they came to it was that quarter-final draw in Thurles in 2001, when Maurice Fitzgerald kicked his famous free. The last time the teams met in a quarter final in 2004, Kerry ate Dublin without salt. And even more interestingly, Dublin hadn't beaten Kerry before the 1976 All-Ireland since 1934, according to a text message on Des Cahill's show last night.
This means that Dublin have two victories to show for seventy-three years of this so-called greatest rivalry in Gaelic football. That's not a rivalry by any definition of the word – as baseball historian Richard Johnson said about the relationship between the New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox, it's only a rivalry if you consider the hammer and the nail to have a rivalry.
It's easy enough to see why Dublin and their apparatchiks play up this myth, as the Dublin support has rather inflated notions of worth, and are never bothered too much about knowing their onions. But it takes two to tango – why do the Kerrymen insist on playing along? All Kerrymen insist that they consider Dublin their greatest challenge – even Colm Cooper was saying during the week that he would love to play Dublin at Croker. Are Kerrymen unaware of history?
As they would say themselves, not at all boy. It's not that Kerrymen tell lies – it's just that they like to put a certain blás on the truth.
An Spailpín is not a psychologist, and, to be honest, he gets the queasy feeling that were Sigmund Freud himself to return to the mortal realm and be locked in a room for twenty-four hours with an average Kerryman, the Austrian would walk away the proud owner of eight acres of bog and scrub on the side of a hill in Ballyferriter, and a three legged puck goat called Charlie. Kerrymen are way ahead of you at all times.
Whatever they say among themselves, Kerrymen's national statements on football are strictly for tourist consumption. All that old guff about the Kerry style of football is all my hat. If there is a Kerry style of football, why have there been so many hit-men in the green and gold down through the years? There's only one style of football that they care about in the Kingdom, and that's the one that brings home Sam in September. How the game is won doesn't really bother them. I don't recall them handing the cup back in 1997 or 1962 or lots of other years because their style of play was below their own high standards. If Kerry win 0-2 to 0-1, they'll take it, don't you worry.
And this is why Kerry love playing Dublin so. Dublin turn up with their swagger and Evening Herald supplements and 98FM outside broadcasts and their heads swelled from turning on the telly looking at Ó Cinnéide or The Bomber or someone else talking live from a picture postcard about how much they love, respect and honour the Dubs, and then they get savaged by Kerry. Wiped out. Again. Dara Ó Cinnéide is a fine journalist in either language, and a huge addition to the TV coverage, but don't let that butter-wouldn't-melt-in-his-mouth demeanour fool you – Dara will toe the party line and keep a straight face but he's just spinning, spinning, spinning all the time.
Are you having doubts that Kerry would be so devious? Isn't it odd, so, that when they weren't talking up Dublin during the summer Kerry were talking up Tyrone? Isn't it odd that, while Kerry were poor mouthing the absence of Moynihan and McCarthy they didn't seem to think the absences of Canavan, McGuigan and O'Neill would knock a stir out of Tyrone? It's not because they're still bitter as eleven acres of lemons about 2003 and fancied some handy payback? Surely not. (censored due to inappropriate content)
Down v Kerry is a rivalry. Offaly v Kerry is a rivalry. And here's why – both Down and Offaly did what Dublin were never able to do, and that is make Kerry cry. (censored due to inappropriate content) Kerry are still bitter about Down in the 1960s and Seamus Darby in 1982. They couldn't give a hoot about 1976 or '77 because that debt has been paid in full. Two losses in seventy years – they can live with that. But never to have beaten Down? To see the impossible dream of the five in a row go wallop in the last minute, the last minute when Kerry always triumph, like they did last Sunday? Now that hurts.
Not that you'll be reading that anywhere in the national media. Tomorrow in the Irish Times, Tom Humphries, a Dub, will ghost-write the thoughts of Jack O'Connor, a Kerryman. It won't be pretty. If you have holidays to take, take them now – it's not like the outcome of that Dublin v Kerry game is in doubt, after all.
Top class . Who is this person ? where are they from . Very witty . They are right some Kerry people never forget
here is the link to the site
http://spailpin.blogspot.com/
"The last time the teams met in a quarter final in 2004, Kerry ate Dublin without salt. And even more interestingly, Dublin hadn't beaten Kerry before the 1976 All-Ireland since 1934, according to a text message on Des Cahill's show last night."
I can't believe this piece of information is being qouted by anyone as it was supplied by my father, who has a slight bias towards the green and gold. As for Kerry rivalry - there is absolutely nothing better than hammering seven shades of shite out of Cork, its something I for one will never get sick of. The bigger the forum the better, my personal favourite was 2002, Croke Park, 15 points. That year didn't end well for Kerry but the video of that Semi takes pride of place in my collection. Of course this means that there is no feeling worse than loosing to that shower of ..... langers!!!!
Quote from: johnpower on August 15, 2007, 10:44:15 PM
Top class . Who is this person ? where are they from . Very witty . They are right some Kerry people never forget
don't know the name of an spailpin but he is from mayo
The fact that Elvis is 30 years dead this week reminds us Dubs that it was 30 years since the Dubs last beat Kerry in the Championship. I remember the banner on the Hill that Sunday.."Elvis is gone but the Dubs live on". Interesting that it was the last time we met Kerry in the semi final and who got the all important goal that day.......Bernard Brogan. The omens are in place.
Quote from: dubsnsubs on August 16, 2007, 11:07:09 AM
The fact that Elvis is 30 years dead this week reminds us Dubs that it was 30 years since the Dubs last beat Kerry in the Championship. I remember the banner on the Hill that Sunday.."Elvis is gone but the Dubs live on". Interesting that it was the last time we met Kerry in the semi final and who got the all important goal that day.......Bernard Brogan. The omens are in place.
you better wear your lucky jersey dubsbsubs ;)
A good article but a few mistakes in it. Kerry didn't play Dublin in '86. Also Kerry beat Dublin by a bigger margin in '75 than they did in '84 or '85.
Also, he contradicts himself. If Dublin and Kerry isn't a rivalry on the basis that Kerry are so dominant over Dublin, then Down and Kerry definitely isn't a rivalry seeing that Down have a 100% record over Kerry.
any word of when tickets go on sale on ticket master - they're gonna be like gold dust!!
Quote from: burn the hurl on August 16, 2007, 12:01:09 PM
any word of when tickets go on sale on ticket master - they're gonna be like gold dust!!
Any kind of dust around the Dubs won't last too long.
Quote from: blanketattack on August 16, 2007, 11:20:29 AM
A good article but a few mistakes in it. Kerry didn't play Dublin in '86. Also Kerry beat Dublin by a bigger margin in '75 than they did in '84 or '85.
Also, he contradicts himself. If Dublin and Kerry isn't a rivalry on the basis that Kerry are so dominant over Dublin, then Down and Kerry definitely isn't a rivalry seeing that Down have a 100% record over Kerry.
The article mentioned that fact re Down having never been beaten by Kerry, think you're missing the point there Blanketattack.
The fact they haven't beaten Down is something that strongly irks the Kerrymen, thus the fact they're ahppy ti atlk up the Dubs as their great rivals
Quote from: stephenite on August 16, 2007, 12:41:22 PM
Quote from: blanketattack on August 16, 2007, 11:20:29 AM
A good article but a few mistakes in it. Kerry didn't play Dublin in '86. Also Kerry beat Dublin by a bigger margin in '75 than they did in '84 or '85.
Also, he contradicts himself. If Dublin and Kerry isn't a rivalry on the basis that Kerry are so dominant over Dublin, then Down and Kerry definitely isn't a rivalry seeing that Down have a 100% record over Kerry.
The article mentioned that fact re Down having never been beaten by Kerry, think you're missing the point there Blanketattack.
The fact they haven't beaten Down is something that strongly irks the Kerrymen, thus the fact they're ahppy ti atlk up the Dubs as their great rivals
I did get the point but Kerry are happy to talk up any opponent regardless of whether it's teams they've good record against like Dublin or a bad record like Down. In fact most teams talk up their opponents regardless how their track record is against them.
Anyway Dublin-Kerry isn't the only match-up that shouldn't be considered a rivalry due to one team's dominace over the other. As I said Down-Kerry shouldn't be either. Also Meath-Cork isn't much of a rivalry seeing that Cork have only won once in their 5 or 6 meetings.
QuoteAlso Meath-Cork isn't much of a rivalry
Tell Billy Morgan that. And can I be there when you do!
Quote from: burn the hurl on August 16, 2007, 12:01:09 PM
any word of when tickets go on sale on ticket master - they're gonna be like gold dust!!
No tickets on public sale
Quote from: magpie seanie on August 15, 2007, 10:51:09 AM
There was no dirt in the game at all from what I saw.
tell that to donaghy who suffered from concussion and had to go to cork on monday for a scan..
Quote from: magickingdom on August 16, 2007, 03:02:40 PM
tell that to donaghy who suffered from concussion and had to go to cork on monday for a scan..
Is there any of the Kerry team not injured now ? ;)
Just back in the real world. Its amazing how out of touch you can get if you really want to. No TV,Papers or internet for 3 and half weeks. Nearly went cold turkey altogether!!
Our record against Kerry is brutal and I can still remember my ould fellas words of wisdom to me in 1975 as we went into Croker - "we can never beat these boys" - How right he was as he consoled me later that day. Anyway forgetting about history and tradition I think this is as good a chance we'll have of beating Kerry as we'll ever have but if they perform to their full capabilities I think we may come up short.
To me the biggest x-factor is whether Kerry will have the hunger needed to get through a game like this. The reason Sam hasn't been retained since 1990 is usually that somewhere along the line in a match, the champions suddenly realise that the hunger just isn't there. How many All-Ireland champions since 1990 have gone out by turning in flat, anaemic performances. Most of them. Think Cork '91, Down '92 and '95, Dublin '96, Kerry '98, Galway '99, Meath '00, Kerry '01, Galway '02, Tyrone '04 and '06. In their last two games Kerry have just about got there. There are signs that the savage hunger needed to win the All-Ireland may not be there this year. However we won't know if this is true until about ten minutes into the second half on Sunday week.
Regardless of whether Kerry have the hunger, I expect Dublin to really put it up to them this time, it is a much better team than the ones that lost in 2001 and 2004. But there still can be no argument that man for man ability-wise, Kerry are a better team. Logical analysis points to a victory for them.
If Kerry don't have the hunger on the day, Dublin could over-run them and this is their best chance. But the assumption has to be that Kerry will have the hunger, although I don't think they are as good a team as last year, especially with the loss of Moynihan and McCarthy.
Donaghy mightn't have been brilliant against Monaghan, but for all that he still created a goal, had a legitimate one disallowed himself and flashed another one wide with the goal at his mercy. It's a huge ask of a rookie full back like Ross McConnell, who had problems with Eoin Bradley against Derry to keep Donaghy under control. Dublin's main problem defensively this year in my opinion has been the loose marking of Bryan Cullen. Against both Laois and Derry the defence was wide open up the middle at times and with greyhounds like Eoin Brosnan and Sean O'Sullivan in the half forward line this could spell disaster. Possibly a "sweeper" might be employed between the full-back and half-back lines? Failure to sort this problem may well result in killer goals. Then there is the Gooch to think about. Paul Casey is another disaster waiting to happen in the half back line. Dublin have a chance of winning but a lot of things have to go right. I expect them to play it extremely physical right from the start similar to Tyrone in 2003.
If Kerry have the hunger, I'd tip them by about 3 or 4 points. If not, Dublin to win.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on August 16, 2007, 12:40:23 PM
Any kind of dust around the Dubs won't last too long.
Ouch >:(
Just back in the real world myself, when is this match? Sunday week?
Is there a minor semi-final before it?
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 16, 2007, 06:42:42 PM
Just back in the real world myself, when is this match? Sunday week?
Is there a minor semi-final before it?
Yeah Laois v Derry.
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To me the biggest x-factor is whether Kerry will have the hunger needed to get through a game like this. The reason Sam hasn't been retained since 1990 is usually that somewhere along the line in a match, the champions suddenly realise that the hunger just isn't there. How many All-Ireland champions since 1990 have gone out by turning in flat, anaemic performances. Most of them. Think Cork '91, Down '92 and '95, Dublin '96, Kerry '98, Galway '99, Meath '00, Kerry '01, Galway '02, Tyrone '04 and '06. In their last two games Kerry have just about got there. There are signs that the savage hunger needed to win the All-Ireland may not be there this year. However we won't know if this is true until about ten minutes into the second half on Sunday week.
Regardless of whether Kerry have the hunger, I expect Dublin to really put it up to them this time, it is a much better team than the ones that lost in 2001 and 2004. But there still can be no argument that man for man ability-wise, Kerry are a better team. Logical analysis points to a victory for them.
If Kerry don't have the hunger on the day, Dublin could over-run them and this is their best chance. But the assumption has to be that Kerry will have the hunger, although I don't think they are as good a team as last year, especially with the loss of Moynihan and McCarthy.
Donaghy mightn't have been brilliant against Monaghan, but for all that he still created a goal, had a legitimate one disallowed himself and flashed another one wide with the goal at his mercy. It's a huge ask of a rookie full back like Ross McConnell, who had problems with Eoin Bradley against Derry to keep Donaghy under control. Dublin's main problem defensively this year in my opinion has been the loose marking of Bryan Cullen. Against both Laois and Derry the defence was wide open up the middle at times and with greyhounds like Eoin Brosnan and Sean O'Sullivan in the half forward line this could spell disaster. Possibly a "sweeper" might be employed between the full-back and half-back lines? Failure to sort this problem may well result in killer goals. Then there is the Gooch to think about. Paul Casey is another disaster waiting to happen in the half back line. Dublin have a chance of winning but a lot of things have to go right. I expect them to play it extremely physical right from the start similar to Tyrone in 2003.
If Kerry have the hunger, I'd tip them by about 3 or 4 points. If not, Dublin to win.
Think JimmyKeavney has put it straight over the blackspot with his analysis there. I would'nt agree that its only this year that Bryan Cullen has been found wanting at CB. He has had far more poor games than blinders in that position. I'd be all on for moving Barry cahill to CB....move back Collie and move Cullen back to the half forwards. The team would be far more balanced IMHO. This Kerry team have'nt played the Dubs in front of the Hill yet and maybe it might lead to them taking their eye off the ball at some critical moment. You never know. I honestly thought last Saturday evening that we would be beaten in the semis but having watched Kerry on Sunday I reckon they might have at least as many problems as us...if not more. We have a genuine chance but literally anything could happen....even a draw!
As a neutral from Derry it's very difficult to assess Kerry because of their performance against Monaghan. M are an team who are very physical and prevent the other team from playing ball and then hit them with a few counter attacks. I thought Kerry's left side of defense was very weak and they certainly would miss the power and 'dirt' of Galvin but they will be allowed to play more football against Dublin and all of their forwards can perform provided they vary their game plan (not just bombard Donaghy with high balls (although that could be more effective) against McConnell who I don't rate. On the other hand Dublin, if they position their forwards better, could benefit by attacking up the RHS where Kerry are weakest. I would also agree that Cullen does not attend to his 'primary' defensive and this would be exposed by Brosnan's direct running (remember the 'roasting' a half-fit Paul Murphy gave him). I'd expect mid-field to be 50/50. However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. Overall I think Derry played them well and created good chances, Kerry's defence is not as good and I fancy the Dubs to won a very entertaining game.
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Kerry '98, Galway '99, Meath '00, Kerry '01, Galway '02, Tyrone '04 and '06.
I wouldn't put a lack of success in those years down to anaemic performances. In '98 Kerry lost to Kildare by a point having had a perfectly good goal disallowed for square ball. Tyrone in '04 were still suffering from the loss of McAnallen while in '06 they had too many injuries.
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However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game.
Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.
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Kerry '98, Galway '99, Meath '00, Kerry '01, Galway '02, Tyrone '04 and '06.
I wouldn't put a lack of success in those years down to anaemic performances. In '98 Kerry lost to Kildare by a point having had a perfectly good goal disallowed for square ball. Tyrone in '04 were still suffering from the loss of McAnallen while in '06 they had too many injuries.
I believe that at a time when there is little between a lot of the teams, hunger plays a vital role. Its not easy for lads who have just won the All Ireland to have the same fight and passion as lads who havent.
However, Dublin-Kerry is a different animal altogether, and no matter what the circumstances, both teams should be equally up for it. But maybe spailpin will get something right for once and perhaps Kerry-Dublin isnt really a rivalry and Kerry will treat it no different to any other game....
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I think there will be an awful lot of interesting matchups in this game....
McConnell on Donaghy...adv Kerry
Henry on MFR... adv Dublin
Griffen on Cooper...adv Kerry
Casey on Galvin/Sheehan...adv Kerry
Cullen on Brosnan...draw
Cahill on O'Sullivan..adv Dublin
O'Se/Scanlon v's Whelan/Ryan..draw....(interesting to see do Whelan/O'Se mark each other...if I was Caffrey I would want Ryan on O'Se and drag him out to the sideline)
O'Se on Moran..adv Kerry
O'Mahony on Sherlock...draw
Reidy on Brogan...adv Dublin
O'Se on Brogan....draw
O'Sullivan on Keaney...adv Dublin
Vaughan on Young...adv Dublin
So battle around the middle is crucial as think both full forward lines have the beating of the full back lines....
If Galvin is out it is a big loss to Kerry I think even though Sheahan is probably a better point taker and long range free taker I think they will lose out on the breaking ball....
Could be a career defining game for Whelan because if he performs well against O'Se and Dublin win people might start accepting he is a great mid-fielder..
While have been confident we would win all the games up till now and never during them thought we would lose this is the big one....a win here and a possible All-Ireland would be the perfect thing to give this Dublin team the real confident boost that they need to express themselves and strengthen themselves mentally...
Jeez DFS
after your abysmal 'matchups' and rationalisations from before the Derry match, I would have thought youd have learned from this and given this kind of craic up !
I havent even read the abocve but the one line that I am looking at right now
regarding whelan and Dara O'Se - Whelan is good but he is still way off the calibre of DOS - unless he has a REALLY bad day. Whelan needs help in MF too. The last game showed that.
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However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game.
Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.
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However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game.
Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.
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7 - 2
So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.
Quote from: Real Talk on August 16, 2007, 11:24:01 PM
As a neutral from Derry it's very difficult to assess Kerry because of their performance against Monaghan. M are an team who are very physical and prevent the other team from playing ball and then hit them with a few counter attacks. I thought Kerry's left side of defense was very weak and they certainly would miss the power and 'dirt' of Galvin but they will be allowed to play more football against Dublin and all of their forwards can perform provided they vary their game plan (not just bombard Donaghy with high balls (although that could be more effective) against McConnell who I don't rate. On the other hand Dublin, if they position their forwards better, could benefit by attacking up the RHS where Kerry are weakest. I would also agree that Cullen does not attend to his 'primary' defensive and this would be exposed by Brosnan's direct running (remember the 'roasting' a half-fit Paul Murphy gave him). I'd expect mid-field to be 50/50. However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game. Overall I think Derry played them well and created good chances, Kerry's defence is not as good and I fancy the Dubs to won a very entertaining game.
Agree with some of that.
I think Donaghy's reputation won the game for Kerry the last day out. That monaghan corner back who paniced and ran into his own man marking Donaghy thus knocking the ball down to the incomming OSullivan was guilty of this. Up until then Donaghy had been easily policed by the full back.
A high ball into the full forward line is of no use if the FF is isolated and the pass is too far left, right , behind or in front of the FF. Irrespective of how big he is, Donaghy is no different. As he is a tall thin agile man, he is liable to be pushed around by a stronger heavier FB. I am not sure how big/heavy McConnell is but I have read that Donaghy is 14 stone. That cant be right for a fella who is 6' 5". If true - and I have checked it out in a couple of diff places, then he is a catwalk queen size 8. I think the info is wrong - but if it is correct, then it makes the FB's job a lot easier and explains why Monaghan FB handled him well enough all day.
The Kerry Def wont be caught out as badly again, and they have more attacking options than Derry. A different style of play as from 2-15 they will attack, and can score. Derry only have a few score getters but that kind of suits their current 'style' anyhow.
Dublins biggest problems are Cullen at CHB and the lack of belief.
Lack of belief - Dublin? If they are not slightly upset by the Derry perf, then their minds will aloow them believe they can win. However, as this is Kerry, Dublin traditionally have a mental block against the kingdom, and in games where they should have won, they capitulated.
This could be a great match. Dublin can win, if they bring in help for Whelan and shore up CHB - AND they really believe that they can win.
Anything else, and it will be the Green and Gold heading for the final.
Looking forward to this.
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However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game.
Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.
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7 - 2
So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.
sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.
As a matter of interest has anyone actually got their hands on a ticket for this yet.
Quote from: dubsnsubs on August 17, 2007, 11:26:17 AM
As a matter of interest has anyone actually got their hands on a ticket for this yet.
100% guaranteed one!
But you havent got it in your hand yet. Just wondering if any tickets have been distributed around the country and if clubs outside Leinster/Munster receive an allocation???
QuoteJust wondering if any tickets have been distributed around the country
Don't think so as my club hadn't heard anything up till last night
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Quote from: Real Talk on August 16, 2007, 11:24:01 PM
However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game.
Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.
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7 - 2
So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.
sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.
It did only dawn on me when Bradley missed that easy free in the 2nd half how few fress Derry had got! Don't remember roaring at the ref too much, so he can't have been too bad to Dublin!
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However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game.
Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.
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7 - 2
So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.
sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.
It did only dawn on me when Bradley missed that easy free in the 2nd half how few fress Derry had got! Don't remember roaring at the ref too much, so he can't have been too bad to Dublin!
ref , frees whatever else - Derry can only blame themselves as they had enough chances to draw or win the game. They wouldnt be capable of much more of an improvement, while Dublin most def can.
I also think that Dublin need to change the playing formation and a couple of personnel in order to allow them to be as good as they can be.
As of now, the midfield is crucial. tyrone showed they didnt have one and meath's midfield platform was the basis for their q-final win.
Cork are imo prob the best midfield pairing left in the championship. Kerry (powered by DOS) are next, Dublin (with Whelan playing a lone midfield role) after this , with Meath and the at times superb otherwise inconsistent Ward/MIA crawford the lest effective midfield.
Dublin need to stick in another midfielder. Need to bring shane ryan out as a third midfielder. The role collie moran is playing is fine, but space around midfield is not as valuable or exactable as the space a two man FF line gives - esp with Dublins fast , strong scoring forwards.
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However Dublin are unlikely to get another sympathetic referee which may reduce Vaughan's influence on the game.
Ah c'mon, no need for the whining. There was no doubt about any of the frees Vaughan kicked over.
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So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.
sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.
Derry got more soft frees close to goal than Dublin did (2-1). Dublin got a few soft frees out the field, but only one close to goal. The one Bradley hit wide was the worst close-in free decision the ref made. I thought the 45 was a shoulder to shoulder - in any event Dublin had a clear 45 earlier that wasnt given.
Dublin got more frees from scoreable positions, simply because Dublin defenders fouled less. They stood off their men more encouraging them to shoot from distance. But by doing this they rarely or never let their opponets by them (McConnell only expcetion). Derry on the other hand were much closer, but allowed Dublin attackers get by them more, which resulted in more frees. Clear frees. Now quit your whining!
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But you havent got it in your hand yet. Just wondering if any tickets have been distributed around the country and if clubs outside Leinster/Munster receive an allocation???
AFAIK the story with Dublin is they usually receive the tickets on the Monday before the game, give them out to PP holders on the Tuesday, give the remainder to the clubs on the Wednesday and clubs usually give them out on the Thursday. So I guess other counties will get their allocation on the Monday also.
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So which one's weren't frees? Can only think of 1 myself.
sorry, I include in that figure a couple of incorrect decisions that resulted in Dublin scores - either a free to dublin or a free that should have been given to Derry.
The count was 5-0 at ht. I certainly recall at least two 'soft' frees that I would have loved to have benefited from the like when I was a forward playing the game. Also the 45 was a free out - shoulder to shoulder is fine, but two hands to chest and push over the end line is a free out - irrespective of how often this seems to be allowed these days.
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Derry got more soft frees close to goal than Dublin did (2-1). Dublin got a few soft frees out the field, but only one close to goal. The one Bradley hit wide was the worst close-in free decision the ref made. I thought the 45 was a shoulder to shoulder - in any event Dublin had a clear 45 earlier that wasnt given.
Dublin got more frees from scoreable positions, simply because Dublin defenders fouled less. They stood off their men more encouraging them to shoot from distance. But by doing this they rarely or never let their opponets by them (McConnell only expcetion). Derry on the other hand were much closer, but allowed Dublin attackers get by them more, which resulted in more frees. Clear frees. Now quit your whining!
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dont normally respond to you
but As Derry folk, we dont have to quit Winning - it doesnt happen too often.
completely disagree with your sentiments. I expect not to agree with you or similar views as I can only comment on what I saw which is/was my perspective.
the game is over and that it now, but I cannt believe some of what I hear. As days go by the reports on the game has changed it to now being one that Dublin dominated ::)
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dont normally respond to you
but As Derry folk, we dont have to quit Winning - it doesnt happen too often.
completely disagree with your sentiments. I expect not to agree with you or similar views as I can only comment on what I saw which is/was my perspective.
the game is over and that it now, but I cannt believe some of what I hear. As days go by the reports on the game has changed it to now being one that Dublin dominated ::)
Never saw any mention of Dublin dominating the game.
Perplexed by your first comment, as you certainly have, plenty of times, and I dont remember ever having a barney with you. But of course you're certainly entitled to ignore me if thats what you think of my posts.
Looks like we could be out shouted in the semi final ;)
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Kingdom get 12,000 tickets for Dubs clash
Kerry secretary Eamon O'Sullivan is confident that the county's allocation of 12,000 tickets for Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Dublin will go a long way towards satisfying the needs of fans.
However, he has urged supporters to make their requests immediately, as any extra allocation of tickets could go elsewhere.
"We're happy enough at the moment, we've about 12,000 tickets. If we want more we'll probably get them, but we need to know the extent of the demand," O'Sullivan said.
"There's no question of the Dubs wrapping up every single ticket. Kerry will do okay when it comes to tickets provided all of us do our part here at home and in time."
Traditionally, Kerry fans have travelled in small numbers to Croke Park for All-Ireland semi-finals, but it's expected that the county's support will be well up for the August 26 clash owing to the large number of Kerry people living in the capital and the fact that Dublin are the opposition.
Will Kerry need 12,000 or will the hoardes of animals "wait for the next one " ;D ;D ;)
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Looks like we could be out shouted in the semi final ;)
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Kingdom get 12,000 tickets for Dubs clash
Kerry secretary Eamon O'Sullivan is confident that the county's allocation of 12,000 tickets for Sunday week's All-Ireland SFC semi-final against Dublin will go a long way towards satisfying the needs of fans.
However, he has urged supporters to make their requests immediately, as any extra allocation of tickets could go elsewhere.
"We're happy enough at the moment, we've about 12,000 tickets. If we want more we'll probably get them, but we need to know the extent of the demand," O'Sullivan said.
"There's no question of the Dubs wrapping up every single ticket. Kerry will do okay when it comes to tickets provided all of us do our part here at home and in time."
Traditionally, Kerry fans have travelled in small numbers to Croke Park for All-Ireland semi-finals, but it's expected that the county's support will be well up for the August 26 clash owing to the large number of Kerry people living in the capital and the fact that Dublin are the opposition.
If kerry only asked for 12k why had the allocation to Dublin clubs been cut?
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 19, 2007, 10:12:59 PM
Will any tickets go on sale through ticketmaster or will they be issued through clubs only. I wouldnt mind going to the game, but all those cheeky dubs will also be looking for tickets.
sorry the nordie bandwagan had to come to an end ::)
When will the lineups be announced??
Hopefully Griffin, O'Sullivan & to a lesser extent Sheehan will start.
Kerry will travel in force for this one cos it might be the end of the road this Sunday and this could be the last opportunity for Kerry folk to see them in the flesh this season !!
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When will the lineups be announced??
Hopefully Griffin, O'Sullivan & to a lesser extent Sheehan will start.
Dublin will name an unchanged team on Tuesday night.
Whether that team will actually start is another thing altogether. But in saying that I can't see any changes being made to the starting line-up, assuming no injuries have been picked up.
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When will the lineups be announced??
Hopefully Griffin, O'Sullivan & to a lesser extent Sheehan will start.
Dublin will name an unchanged team on Tuesday night.
Whether that team will actually start is another thing altogether. But in saying that I can't see any changes being made to the starting line-up, assuming no injuries have been picked up.
I agree barring injury's pillar wont make any changes
Sunday Game panelist predictions:
Joe Brolly - Kerry
Tony Davis - Kerry
Kevin McStay - Dublin
Dara O'Cinneide - Kerry
Colm O'Rourke - Kerry
Anthony Tohill - Dublin
Id go for Dublin in this, and for them to win the All Ireland. Whoever wins this game will win the All Ireland, doubt Cork will do anything to win it, either of these teams would beat Cork.
Kerry team just named, huge surprise in the lineup, cant believe they dropped him, but as Pillar may be reading this to get some hints for his own selection, yerra I will hould off on the breaking news for now.
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Kerry team just named, huge surprise in the lineup, cant believe they dropped him, but as Pillar may be reading this to get some hints for his own selection, yerra I will hould off on the breaking news for now.
Who'd they drop, my money's on Donaghy?
jaysus, yeah, thats some surprise alright. Pillar wont know what to make of it.
Familiar look to Dubs for clash with All-Ireland champions
Dublin have named the same starting 15 for Sunday's All-Ireland SFC semi-final against reigning All-Ireland champions Kerry in Croke Park (3.30) as that which defeated Derry last time out.
In one positional alteration Jason Sherlock and Alan Brogan change positions in the attack.
Owing to a groin injury Ger Brennan will not be considered for inclusion among the Dublin substitutes.
Dublin and Kerry have clashed 23 times in the All-Ireland championship with Kerry winning 15 to Dublin's six while there have been two draws.
Dublin's last win over Kerry was in 1977 when Bernard Brogan, father of current players Alan and Bernard got a crucial late goal, but since then Kerry have won six and drawn one of the seven games between two great rivals.
The counties have clashed eight times in All-Ireland semi-finals with Kerry winning five to Dublin's two while one was drawn.
The last time the counties met in the championship was in August 2004 at the quarter-final stage when the Kingdom won 1-15 to 1-8. Sunday's line up contains ten Dublin players who began on that occasion - David Henry, Ross McConnell, Colin Moran, Bernard Brogan and Mark Vaughan are the players who did not start on that day.
DUBLIN (SF v Kerry) - S Cluxton; D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; P Casey, B Cullen, B Cahill; C Whelan, S Ryan; C Moran, A Brogan, B Brogan; J Sherlock, C Keaney, M Vaughan.
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Kerry team just named, huge surprise in the lineup, cant believe they dropped him, but as Pillar may be reading this to get some hints for his own selection, yerra I will hould off on the breaking news for now.
Jeez there'll be war over this.
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Kerry team just named, huge surprise in the lineup, cant believe they dropped him, but as Pillar may be reading this to get some hints for his own selection, yerra I will hould off on the breaking news for now.
The Gooch I'd say, off-colour at the minute.
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Kerry team just named, huge surprise in the lineup, cant believe they dropped him, but as Pillar may be reading this to get some hints for his own selection, yerra I will hould off on the breaking news for now.
The Gooch I'd say, off-colour at the minute.
I'd say it was a case of The Gooch being starved of decent possession against Monaghan. As regards my prediction that its Donaghy I'm not that sure on further thought. Monaghan coped extremely well with the high ball into him, but look at Dublins defence. They weren't too hot against Derry so maybe Donaghy would be an asset to have in there.
There once was a certain Maurice Fitzgerald dropped for a game against Dublin, could any Kerry team news ever top that one?
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There once was a certain Maurice Fitzgerald dropped for a game against Dublin, could any Kerry team news ever top that one?
Yeah goes to prove no-one is too good to be dropped. The way it should be too.
We are not sure of the source so we are being cautious...
Is it a possibility he is injured?
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We are not sure of the source so we are being cautious...
All the more reason to put it on a discussion board. Its one of the main purposes of this place!
Or perhaps its just a wind up?
Dublin team is as expected. I suppose the only real question mark is who will start at cente forward. I hope its Jayo, with Alan Brogan in the corner.
Pity Ger Brennan is injured. Presumably means that Goggins moves to first sub if a half back is struggling
Will this game be a throw back to older wilder times when the ball was hoofed from one end of the field to the other - a game bereft of modern tactical thought and just effectively a disciplined faction fight with a ball thrown in, just like spillane's ma's porridge stirred well and full of nostalgia or will it even come close to Tyrone Armagh or Tyrone Kerry in 2005. I await with baited breath.
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There once was a certain Maurice Fitzgerald dropped for a game against Dublin, could any Kerry team news ever top that one?
Only to come on and with his first kick score the sideline kick of the millenium.
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Kerry team just named, huge surprise in the lineup, cant believe they dropped him, but as Pillar may be reading this to get some hints for his own selection, yerra I will hould off on the breaking news for now.
The Gooch I'd say, off-colour at the minute.
I'd say it was a case of The Gooch being starved of decent possession against Monaghan. As regards my prediction that its Donaghy I'm not that sure on further thought. Monaghan coped extremely well with the high ball into him, but look at Dublins defence. They weren't too hot against Derry so maybe Donaghy would be an asset to have in there.
No chance of Donaghy or Gooch not starting, injury permitting. MFR and Brosnan the "big" names who are in danger, I'd say.
Enough bullshit.
I want Sean O'Sullivan & Tommy Griffin to start at the very least with Brian Sheehan as a possible 3rd change for MFR.
Can someone inform me why Tommy "2 litre" hasnt started, I know he was injured earlier in the season but there must be something else.....................
KEITH BARR in the INDO (Apologies if it's been already been posted).
LET me begin by reminding the host of experts and cute Kerry hoors this week that it is the men who wager their money who determine favouritism in a game.
And, again, lest any cute Kerry hoor starts to sneer at the Dublin hype, or how the dizzy lads in the city are "buying into it", that we are well aware in the capital that the bookies have placed Kerry as odds-on favourites to win next Sunday.
No cute predictions from any Kerry legends will change those odds before the semi-final. Dublin are up against it, I know it, they know it and, believe or not, the fans know it.
Once again I must mention that there is more waffle spoken about Dublin than any other side -- much of it, I may add, by their detractors. But I was really surprised at former Kerry manager Jack O'Connor's recent analysis -- or maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
The 'Hill 16 factor' is something that never affected me as a Dublin player. There's no doubt that Dublin enjoy remarkable support (it's remarkable by any standards, regardless of population, and is the best support in the GAA by a street) and they bring massive atmosphere to every championship game. I respect that, but I would disagree with Jack that Dublin feed off that atmosphere. Hill 16 isn't much used to you when Tomás Ó Sé is breathing down your neck.
Fans are the same the world over, they react to performance. Look at Cork on Sunday -- they prospered with only a handful of their hardcore supporters present.
The way to stop Dublin is to stop their big players -- Ciaran Whelan, Alan Brogan et al -- from performing. To analyse Dublin as some flash-in-the-pan football team that require massive support to perform is highly disrespectful to Dublin players, and should be used as a motivating factor by the players and management this week.
I often find some pundits hide behind the circus that surrounds Dublin. If you don't think Dublin will win, explain why; if you do, then spell it out and highlight the weaknesses in the opposition. I think this tendency to lump the team in with the fans is utter nonsense.
I have always tried to be constructive about Dublin's performances and their chances, and I notice that some people from outside the county feel that my assessments are somewhat harsh. Well, I'm tired of warning Dublin players of the dangers of being lulled into a false sense of security and listening to the sweet somethings from beyond the Pale.
I do not believe that this Dublin team is rated in Kerry in particular. I have certainly heard enough anecdotal evidence from that county to know that, quietly, they are very confident of a Kerry success next Sunday. Whether their manager Pat O'Shea is as confident, I don't know, but Kerry cannot countenance defeat, regardless of what Páidí says.
Dublin do have a chance against Kerry but if we want to be realistic about it, suffice to say they had a better chance last year when they faced Mayo at the same stage.
Bernard Brogan and Mark Vaughan have added an extra string to Dublin's bow but both men must realise that when they line out on Sunday, they will face defending like they never experienced before. There will be less space, less time, less possession and a lot more 'close encounters' than people tend to associate with Kerry.
The Ó Sé family are the beating heart of this Kerry team and their track record, unlike Dublin's, is proven. Yet, that is not to say that Kerry aren't vulnerable. Dublin need to be in their face and by that I mean ferocious tackling and remorseless pressure. I'm not so sure that every doubt about Kerry's vulnerability was buried when they defeated Armagh last year and they are still struggling to find a partner for Darragh Ó Sé.
We've been down this road too often to think that Mike Frank Russell or Eoin Brosnan will be as bad again next weekend yet, if they survive the cull, then Dublin need to turn the screw even tighter than Monaghan managed.
There are genuine questions to be asked of Kerry. They are the dominant team of this decade -- can they become the first in 17 years to land back-to-backs and silence the doubters once and for all? It is tantalisingly close now, so is a fifth All-Ireland medal for Darragh; will the ultimate goal blur their short-term vision?
Pat O'Shea was quick to point to Dublin's form after scraping past Monaghan but let's look at it closer. Dublin struggled past Meath who were demolished by Cork who, in turn, fell to Kerry. There might be a 'feeling' that Dublin can take Kerry but 'feelings' are hardly reliable guides and I believe that unless Dublin raise their performance substantially they will not overcome this massive hurdle.
What the Dublin players must realise is that only they can control their destiny, only they can bury the nagging doubts that surround the team. Men like Jason Sherlock, Whelan, Barry Cahill and Shane Ryan have been around long enough to know that this is their opportunity to stand up and show what the Dubs are made of.
And the management must make the hard calls where necessary, regardless of reputation or potential. If a lead has to be defended, then the danger men must be swamped. Dublin simply cannot fade out of this game.
These players have taken enough abuse over the years. It's time to draw a line in the sand.
THOSE wondering whether there was a big game in Cork this season got an emphatic response on Sunday.
I was seriously impressed with Cork's physical presence. I fancied them to ambush Meath but I didn't think they would brush them aside so easily.
It was men and boys in the physical stakes and from the moment Nicholas Murphy landed Darren Fay on his behind to fist a point, Cork's intent was signalled.
After the Munster final, Billy Morgan left the field with a smile on his face. He is no mug, he knew his side had closed the gap on Kerry and in that defeat he learned a lot. Morgan got his tactics spot on, and may have settled on a winning hand in the process. In an effort to avoid landing balls in on top of Fay, Michael Cussen proved more than a handful around the middle early on and their running game was executed really well.
Donncha O'Connor, Daniel Goulding and Kevin McMahon may have grabbed the headlines but Cork's victory was dug out of the middle third where Meath could not cope with their power. With a solid defence, an excellent midfield and, now, a scoring forward division, Cork will take some beating in the final.
I wouldn't be tearing Meath apart on the back of this. I've already stated that it was a successful season for them given their starting point. They are a young side and they learned a valuable, if harsh, lesson on Sunday. You simply do not come from nowhere and land in an All-Ireland final.
I've no doubt that Morgan will now really fancy his chances of ending the famine in Cork and, regardless of who wins next Sunday, Cork will remain underdogs. Happy days says Billy.
What is the Kerry team ? Has it been announced ?
D Murphy
M Reidy
T O'Sullivan
M O'Se
T O'Se
A O'Mahony
K Young
D O'Se
S Scanlon
P Galvin
E Brosnan
D O'Sullivan
C Cooper
B Sheehan
MF Russell
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Can someone inform me why Tommy "2 litre" hasnt started, I know he was injured earlier in the season but there must be something else.....................
Speaking to a few of the locals when on hols...I believe he had a nasty infection in his leg which knocked him clean of his feet and in hospital for a few days.
BTW why "Tommy 2 Litre"??
Am actually more worried now about the match with Donaghy not starting than I would have been if he was...with McConnell a 6'3 midfielder I would have expected him to have more success on Donaghy than on a quicker more mobile full forward...might be tempted to put him on MFR who hasn't been the most successful this year now and hope Henry/Griffen can mark Cooper/Sheehan..
Quote from: King of Kilskerry on August 22, 2007, 05:02:43 PM
D Murphy
M Reidy
T O'Sullivan
M O'Se
T O'Se
A O'Mahony
K Young
D O'Se
S Scanlon
P Galvin
E Brosnan
D O'Sullivan
C Cooper
B Sheehan
MF Russell
Where did that team come from??
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Quote from: King of Kilskerry on August 22, 2007, 05:02:43 PM
D Murphy
M Reidy
T O'Sullivan
M O'Se
T O'Se
A O'Mahony
K Young
D O'Se
S Scanlon
P Galvin
E Brosnan
D O'Sullivan
C Cooper
B Sheehan
MF Russell
Where did that team come from??
His Arse
yerra-yerra-yerra there isn't a hope of donaghy not starting.
Pat O'Shea and his selectors won't name the team though until tomorrow night (Thursday) as they want to give the injured Paul Galvin all the time they can to recover.
Quote from: MauriceMalpas on August 22, 2007, 05:48:55 PM
Pat O'Shea and his selectors won't name the team though until tomorrow night (Thursday) as they want to give the injured Paul Galvin all the time they can to recover.
What happened to the team having to be named on a tuesday to give time to print the programs ?
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Quote from: MauriceMalpas on August 22, 2007, 05:48:55 PM
Pat O'Shea and his selectors won't name the team though until tomorrow night (Thursday) as they want to give the injured Paul Galvin all the time they can to recover.
What happened to the team having to be named on a tuesday to give time to print the programs ?
Gnevin - with the way some managers regard the declared team as a joke I wonder why bother naming a team line up at all.
From Da Paper:
Mickey Ned O'Sullivan and Tommy Carr have experienced the magic of Dublin's rivalry with Kerry both as player and manager. Brendan Larkin sought their views ahead of Sunday's All-Ireland semi-final instalment of a classic confrontation.
Q 1 — Do you feel this Dublin side is ready to take the final step and win an All-Ireland title?
Mickey 'Ned' O'Sullivan: "Dublin have been the most consistent team in the championship this season. They have done all that has been asked of them in huge pressure games in front of 80,000 spectators.
"They are also under enormous pressure from the media, particularly in Dublin where the expectations are very high. They have built a momentum and confidence, have identified their weaknesses along the way, and the only remaining problem they have is that they cannot focus for a full game, but what team can. Cork were the only team to do that this year, against Meath last Sunday.
"There is no question they are the form team, but the Waterford hurlers were the form team also and look what happened to them. How often have you heard it said it's all on the day. Dublin's pedigree has been excellent all year but it's what they do next Sunday that matters.
Tommy Carr: "Dublin are ready to win the All-Ireland if the Kerry team are not fully ready to do so. If they can beat Kerry I feel Dublin have a great chance of winning it. I'm basing that on Cork last Sunday; it was their only conclusive performance that I could say, yes, this team is hungry to win an All-Ireland. They have huge talent, but they have never delivered that talent as a whole on the pitch. Last Sunday they did.
"I look at Dublin and I think they are getting the most out of the panel they have. If you take away your blinkers and your tradition of Cork and Kerry, Dublin have produced as much quality as either."
Q 2 — How important is a successful Dublin team to the GAA?
Mickey 'Ned' O'Sullivan: Dublin to win the All-Ireland is the victory everyone wants. I stayed over in Dublin on the night they beat Derry and you couldn't imagine the amount of people we met on the street wearing their colours. At the moment you have only 5% GAA penetration level in the population of Dublin. We need an All-Ireland victory to bring that up to double figures.
"The future of the GAA is in the capital. You need crowds coming to matches and there are over 1.2 million people living in Dublin. Ultimately money is very important to run an organisation the size of the GAA and the more often we fill Croke Park the better. Dublin are doing that at present. The more hype we create about the game the better. Every kid will want to play. Imagine then what an All-Ireland victory would do?"
Tommy Carr: "In a word, crucial. They bring in the crowds and that means plenty of revenue to be re-distributed among the units of the association for coaching and so on.
"An All-Ireland victory would bring a massive injection of youngsters into the game. We may be over-emphasising the importance of winning, however. Whatever way the championship pans out, Dublin will fill Croke Park every time they play there, but it would be far easier if they were to win the Sam Maguire Cup.
Q 3 — Are Kerry more vulnerable than usual because of their Championship schedule this season?
Mickey 'Ned' O'Sullivan: "I certainly thought they were very vulnerable before the Monaghan game, but I don't think they are now. Whether they have had enough games or not I honestly don't know. It's a balancing act really. Their management saw enough in the game against Monaghan to know the areas that need to be addressed. They'll tighten up, bring in one or two defenders and one attacker and I expect we'll see a different Kerry on Sunday.
"If it was an average team that played Monaghan two weeks ago they'd have been taken by them. Kerry have that bit of class; refusing to panic and to have the patience to win the game. Having a very good bench was also a major factor for Kerry. Unlike other counties, they were able to bring in scoring forwards who can win a game for you. That's the primary difference between Kerry and the rest."
Tommy Carr: "Strange as it may seem I would give Kerry less of a chance of winning on Sunday than I did before the Monaghan game. It was the second time this year they were asked questions and those questions still remain to be answered. I don't believe the Kerry defence is as good as it was when Seamus Moynihan was playing.
"I also don't like to see Paul Galvin being replaced because for me he has been the Brian Dooher of the Kerry team. He's the one player who will roll up the sleeves and win the 50/50 ball and make those 30-40 yards runs when they are needed. He has not been playing well this year and that must be a worry for Kerry."
Q 4 — Who in your view is the key leadership figure on the respective teams?
Mickey 'Ned' O'Sullivan: First of all let me say that it's essentially a team game. The key figures are usually the most experienced players but occasionally a lesser-known player will step up and win the game for you. It could be a defender or a forward. It all depends. From a Kerry point of view everyone will look to Darragh Ó Sé, but it could be any one of a number of players.
"The Brogan brothers Bernard and Alan are big players for Dublin, they could play a crucial role for them. The Dublin attack is very creative. They scored 17 points against Derry and still kicked a lot of wides. They are moving far better than they were last year and have an excellent free-taker in Mark Vaughan. He pointed a couple of 45s against Derry so you cannot give him too many chances."
Tommy Carr: "The powerhouse and engine house, and the best midfielder I've seen over the last ten years, is Darragh Ó Sé. He was one half of the twin peaks Kerry had when Moynihan was playing. He's about 75-80% of the leadership Kerry have on the pitch at the minute, and I would put his brother Tomás up there alongside him. Dublin depend almost entirely on Ciarán Whelan for the same role.
"It's going to be a massive dual between Darragh and Ciarán on Sunday and the outcome could well hinge on who comes out on top. Their demeanour on the pitch and the way they are going to play the game will have a huge influence on how their colleagues perform."
Q 5 — Who'll win and why?
Mickey 'Ned' O'Sullivan: "It's a very hard game to call. Being a small bit biased, I feel the game against Monaghan will have brought Kerry on a lot. Obviously, if it hasn't, they will be in trouble. Kerry are really only beginning to peak now. Dublin, on the other hand, had to peak back in June against Meath; they had to do the same again the following week in the replay and had to do the same for all their subsequent games. How often can they continue to do that?
"If you look at it logically you would have to favour Dublin but football isn't logical. It's based on class, scoring potential and maximising possession, and there isn't any team better at doing all three than Kerry."
Tommy Carr: Obviously I would love to see Dublin win. Being objective about it, I just think the Kerry forwards will put the Dublin defence under an enormous pressure and I don't think they will be able to cope.
"Up to now they've had maybe one or two forwards to contend with, but this Kerry team has at least eight players who can score. That will call for man-marking and that is different from defending. If you go back to the Derry game, Paddy Bradley was the only forward who caused them any trouble, and he managed to score five points."
Q 6 — What's so special about the Dublin-Kerry rivalry?
Mickey 'Ned' O'Sullivan: "It's basically an urban-rural thing. The townies versus the culchies sort of thing. Kerry were the standard-bearers traditionally of the country folk. There has been some magnificent games between the counties going back to 1955, while the games of the 70's and 80's added to the mystique. Between 1975 and 1986 Kerry and Dublin won 12 out of the 13 finals between them.
"Two years ago we brought both teams together for three days, and we made out that there were over 300 All-Ireland medals in Kenmare that year. We were the fiercest of rivals on the field but off it we are the best of friends and that for me is one of the greatest features of the organisation."
Tommy Carr: "The great tradition and the intense competition between the counties in the 70's and 80's. That 70's thing has never been allowed to be forgotten. It was talked up during my time and I'm certain it's been talked about with the current squad."
What's wrong with Donaghy ? Injured ? Off form ?
Has his presence at FF unsettled the natural instincts of the other Kerry players? Against Monaghan Kerry simply used the big man as a bulls-eye for the majority of attacks. It negated the influence of the other half forwards and corners.
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Kerry team just named, huge surprise in the lineup, cant believe they dropped him, but as Pillar may be reading this to get some hints for his own selection, yerra I will hould off on the breaking news for now.
The Gooch I'd say, off-colour at the minute.
I'd say it was a case of The Gooch being starved of decent possession against Monaghan. As regards my prediction that its Donaghy I'm not that sure on further thought. Monaghan coped extremely well with the high ball into him, but look at Dublins defence. They weren't too hot against Derry so maybe Donaghy would be an asset to have in there.
No chance of Donaghy or Gooch not starting, injury permitting. MFR and Brosnan the "big" names who are in danger, I'd say.
I don't think the exclusion either of Brosnan or MFR would be a 'huge surprise'? Expected, rather.
The Other cousins, Aon, Sum and No are all expected to be included in the Kerry line up released tomorrow evening, But who will they replace, yerra tis a fecking mystery.
Surely Kerry have nothing to hide by delaying the team sheets..... ;D
Apart from satisfying my curiosity the lineup would bring to a close some of the side splittingly hilarious wind ups on here.
Would Bryan Sheehan and Sean O'Sullivan not be certainties ?
No- unfortunately.
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Kerry team just named, huge surprise in the lineup, cant believe they dropped him, but as Pillar may be reading this to get some hints for his own selection, yerra I will hould off on the breaking news for now.
The Gooch I'd say, off-colour at the minute.
I'd say it was a case of The Gooch being starved of decent possession against Monaghan. As regards my prediction that its Donaghy I'm not that sure on further thought. Monaghan coped extremely well with the high ball into him, but look at Dublins defence. They weren't too hot against Derry so maybe Donaghy would be an asset to have in there.
No chance of Donaghy or Gooch not starting, injury permitting. MFR and Brosnan the "big" names who are in danger, I'd say.
I don't think the exclusion either of Brosnan or MFR would be a 'huge surprise'? Expected, rather.
After the particularly gutless display from both the last day i would be surprised if either of these two ladies make a reappearence in the green and gold this campaign.
Anyone got any idea what sort of money a ticket would be on the day from a tout or from a decent Punter?
I presume they'll be some available at the right price.
Any sign of the Kerry team? If the Dubs named their team 15 minutes late their would be uproar ;D
Any word on Galvin?
All the info from Kerry seems to be that he's defo out, which to me reads that he'll be in..
Quote from: heffo on August 23, 2007, 01:33:35 PM
Any word on Galvin?
Insulting (good selection) or complimentary (in short supply)? ;)
Rather innocuous I'm afraid, from today's Irish Times:
Kerry's All Star forward Paul Galvin is expected to recover from a bruised shoulder ahead of Sunday's All-Ireland senior football semi-final against Dublin at Croke Park.
The north Kerry native will retain his place at wing forward after responding to treatment for an injury sustained in the All-Ireland quarter-final defeat of Monaghan on August 12th.
Galvin could be joined in the Kerry attack by Bryan Sheehan, who is widely expected to dislodge Mike Frank Russell when Pat O'Shea announces a starting line-up today.
Kerry team looks like it could be:
Murphy
O'Mahony
O'Sullivan
M O'Se
T O'Se
Griffin
Young
Scanlon
D O'Se
Galvin
Brosnan
D O'Sullivan
Cooper
Donaghy
Sheehan
Would rather if Griffin was midfield and someone like Mossy Lyons came in wing back with Killian Young going to the corner. management made a blunder in not giving Guiney a run during league and him leaving as a result. Very good player he was unlucky there were so many good backs around duringh Jacks regime. Ditto Mossy Lyons and Fitzmaurice. Sheehan is a fantastic kicker, sweetest striker of a placed ball I've seen in a while and extremely skilful, but I still wonder if he's short a yard of pace for inter county, especially at corner forward against someone like David Henry.
Anyway, Ciarrai Abu!
I suppose we'll agree to disagree but the Star's change worked last yr cos we mixed it up with a combo of decent long/high ball to him as well as quality ball to corners whihc relied on their movement to cause trouble. Our game was so one dimensional in the 2nd half against Monaghan (I can understand where you are coming from as a result) it played into their hands but better quality ball can ensure this is avoided. It was so hit and hope it became more and more frustration and it negates what people like the Gooch naturally brings to the game.
Also we got alot scores against Cork from hitting Star so its not all doom and gloom. Just think you're being a little extreme.
Quote from: MauriceMalpas on August 23, 2007, 02:51:20 PM
As for Donaghy, ask even the most bullish of Kerry fans about our AI winning chances last year pre Longford and they would have been cagey at best. Before this qualifier we were LACKLUSTRE at best with the Star at MF. I saw us play Tipp in Killarney and it wasnt pretty. His change to FF was instrumental to our success.
Only for a son of Tyrone eh MM? ;) If we can furnish you with another All-Ireland perhaps then you'll call it quits! ;D
Quality ball=better ball coming in.
Bottom line I think its naive to dismiss a tactic that won Kerry an AI last yr on the back of a bad game.
So 1.5 games really if you exclude the provincial (which isnt relevant) game.
Well if teams can only combat the tactic of one man by having to mark him with more than one man then it is successful as it creates a free man in your own team...
i'm actually agreeing with the louthman(hold the back page).
It has now become an ineffective tactic. Donaghy is a very good footballer but against longford he had a 5ft 11 full back- francie ain't too tall either- cork broke 50/50 with him and gainst mayo- heaney isn't afull back AND made the mistake of trying to outfield him instaed of punching theball away.
This year everyone goes behind him and punches the ball- the corner backs are told not to bother fronting their men -instead stay behind goalside where 9 times out of 10 they get the break before the forward. Cork have utterly failed with it. the problem with a big target man - is thta unless you use him 90% of the time it is pointless having him there because none of them can get channel ball because they are too slow. teams have simply copped it- i've seen a number of club sides fail utterly with it this year as well. i think kerry should use donaghy as a 3rd midfielder letiting him roam and maybe send someportion of time inside- but it's becoming easy to read. i think he'll suit mc connell.
QuoteAfter the particularly gutless display from both the last day i would be surprised if either of these two ladies make a reappearence in the green and gold this campaign
MFR, Brossie = 6 AI medals
Monaghan = 0 AI medals + 2 point lead blown with 6 mins to go in qtr
keep em coming subbie ;D
Mike Frank has lost out with Bryan Sheehan in as expected, same again apart from that so Galvin must be ok
Here you go....
Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) ; Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore), Pádraig Reidy (Scartaglin); Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore), Killian Young (Renard); Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Seamus Scanlon (Currow) ; Declan O'Sullivan (Capt) (Dromid Pearses), Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes), Paul Galvin (Finuge); Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes), Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks), Bryan Sheehan (St. Marys)
Subs:
Kieran Cremin (Dr. Crokes), Micheal Quirke (Kerins O'Rahillys), Sean O'Sullivan (Cromane), Mossie Lyons (Castleisland Desmonds), Darren O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar), Mike Frank Russell (Laune Rangers), Daniel Bohane (Austin Stacks), Paul O'Connor (Kenmare), Rónan Ó Flatharta (An Ghaeltacht), Kieran O'Leary (Dr. Crokes), Tommy Griffin (Dingle), Ronan Hussey (Sneem), Donncha Walsh (Cromane), Tommy Walsh (Kerins O'Rahillys), Declan Quill (Kerins O'Rahillys)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 23, 2007, 09:26:56 PM
Here you go....
Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) ; Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore), Pádraig Reidy (Scartaglin); Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore), Killian Young (Renard); Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Seamus Scanlon (Currow) ; Declan O'Sullivan (Capt) (Dromid Pearses), Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes), Paul Galvin (Finuge); Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes), Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks), Bryan Sheehan (St. Marys)
Subs:
Kieran Cremin (Dr. Crokes), Micheal Quirke (Kerins O'Rahillys), Sean O'Sullivan (Cromane), Mossie Lyons (Castleisland Desmonds), Darren O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar), Mike Frank Russell (Laune Rangers), Daniel Bohane (Austin Stacks), Paul O'Connor (Kenmare), Rónan Ó Flatharta (An Ghaeltacht), Kieran O'Leary (Dr. Crokes), Tommy Griffin (Dingle), Ronan Hussey (Sneem), Donncha Walsh (Cromane), Tommy Walsh (Kerins O'Rahillys), Declan Quill (Kerins O'Rahillys)
KM - will Declan hold the arm band or does Bryan Sheehan captain?
The Kerry Gaa site has Declan as captain, which is probably the right option , Sheehan needs to get on with the game and not have that pressure on him, it only matters when a lad has to lift that auld big silver bucket in September ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 23, 2007, 09:33:24 PM
The Kerry Gaa site has Declan as captain, which is probably the right option , Sheehan needs to get on with the game and not have that pressure on him, it only matters when a lad has to lift that auld big silver bucket in September ;)
Sure Bryan and Declan can go up the steps together like last year. Twould be the right way to do it. ;)
Sheehan's time to stand up and be counted has come , has been around for the last few years , has undoubted potential and with his long range free taking ability it will give the Jackeens something to think about if they start fouling about midfield. A good ball winner too but needs to really get stuck in early. MFR will feel hard done by, was very good against cork but will be a good man to spring if needed.
Brosnan gets another chance too and will also need to produce the good but if he gets motoring against Cullen it could be a game setup for him.
No change in the backs and the continued lack of cover all year is a concern, Mossie Lyons, Daniel Bohane and Rónan Ó Flatharta and possibly Tommy Griffin are the only other options and two of these have no experience at a high level. I hope we are not exposed but saying that if we can put a squeeze on Alan Brogan and Sherlock we will be well on the way, I'd expect Marc O'Se on Sherlock and Mahony to follow A Brogan, Tomas O'Se to pick up the other Brogan while Killian Young will relish the challange of Collie Moran with Reidy's pace hopefully enough for the Blonde. No fouling within range is the key, but with Bannon you would expect a free feast. Tom O'Sullivan on Keaney will be hard and fast and could be a deciding battle Tom needs to upo his performance from the monaghan game where he struggled.
IN midfield O'Se and Whelan to go head to head there could be sparks and a few yellows early on, both will have their periods of dominace but Darragh is a man you can count on when the going gets really tough. With the more mobile Scanlon left to try and cope with Ryan's lung bursting runs to the wings for the varied kickouts, Tomas O'Se and Young have a big role to play here too if Cluxton splays the ball wide for Ryan. But if its one on one in the air Scanlon should have the aerial domiance.
Up front Galvin if fully fit will have a key role as normal , he has been taken off in his last two games and needs to have a big game against the jackeens on Sunday. Declan Sul too has been playing well all year and will give either Cahill or Casey a long day around the Croker pitch. In the full forawrd line hopefully the extra 2 weeks will have helped Donaghy slow recovery to his shoulder injury , Will we go long or short or pull Donaghy out and leave Gooch and Sheehan as the target menlets hope whatever the tactic we dont wait too long to change it if it isnt working. Gooch too needs to hit the heights that only he can, has not had a great year except 10 minutes against Cork but he will relish the big day and either Henry or Griffin will have sleepless nights wondering how they will cope with him..
The subs bench will be vital and we have the likes of Sean O'Sullivan Darren O'Sullivan, Mike Frank Russell, Tommy Griffin, Mossy Lyons , Michael Quirke or last years minor Tommy Walsh and the near forgotton man Declan Quill all bursting their holes to get on for a skelp at the Jackeens. Dublin dont have that kind of option to bring on (I hope!!!).
A huge test for us and its there to be won if we want it enough. Anyway roll on Sunday.
any auld tickets to spare anyone?
Both teams to be down to 14 men a minute into the game: Dara Ó'Sé & Ciarán Whelan tangle at the throw-in and both are given the line! :o
Tickets tight Kerry Mike.
Had hoped that Sean O'Sullivan might get a start possibly at Brosnan's expense. I know that Brossie is always driving in for a goal but SOS is always on for a couple of points has has a lovely diagonal kicked pass that Star of the corner men can feed off.
It'll be a bit of a roller coaster so I'd bring spare underwear but I don't think we'll leave the game behind us.............whatever about the used jocks!
How's herself?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2007, 10:15:26 PM
Both teams to be down to 14 men a minute into the game: Dara Ó'Sé & Ciarán Whelan tangle at the throw-in and both are given the line! :o
An Bannon would be just the ref to do it!
The last meeting was in the league in April and probably wont have many bearing on Sunday but its nice to remind the Jackeens of the fact. 10 Kerry starters for next Sunday plus 2 in the Subs, The Dublin side had 12 of Dublins starting 15 with the other 3 coming on as subs. Our full forward line clocked up a nice total that day against next Sunday's full back line, lets hope with our new additions we can expect more of the same on Sunday.
Dublin 2-07 .v. Kerry 1-12
Date: Sunday 8th April :: Venue : Parnell Park, Dublin :: Time: 3.30pm
Referee: Jimmy McKee (Armagh)
Kerry:
Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) ; Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore), Pádraig Reidy (Scartaglin) ; Tomás Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Aidan O'Mahony (Rathmore), Daniel Bohane (Austin Stacks) ; Micheal Quirke (Kerins O'Rahillys), Seamus Scanlon (0-1) (Currow); Darren O'Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar), Eoin Brosnan (0-1) (Dr. Crokes), Bryan Sheehan (0-2f) (Capt) (St. Marys) ; Declan Quill (0-5, 3f) (Kerins O'Rahillys), Colm Cooper (1-2, 1f) (Dr. Crokes), Mike Frank Russell (0-1f) (Laune Rangers)
Subs:
Paul Galvin (Finuge) for Russell -52min ; Kieran O'Leary (Dr. Crokes) for D O'Sullivan -64min; Sean O'Sullivan (Cromane); Declan O'Sullivan (Dromid Pearses) for Sheehan -71mins; Paul O'Connor (Kenmare), Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge), Donncha Walsh (Cromane) , Brendan Guiney (Listowel Emmets), , Ronan Ó Flatharta (An Ghaeltacht)
Dublin:
S. Cluxton; D. Henry, R. McConnell, P. Griffin; B. Cahill, B. Cullen, G. Brennan; C. Whelan, D. Magee; C. Moran (capt.), J. Sherlock (1-2), C. Keaney (0-2); B. Brogan, K Bonner, M. Vaughan (0-2).
Subs: A. Brogan (0-1) for B. Brogan (second half); P. Casey (1-0) for Brennan (50th minute); M. Quinn for Bonner (57th); S. Ryan for Whelan (56th)
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 23, 2007, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2007, 10:15:26 PM
Both teams to be down to 14 men a minute into the game: Dara Ó'Sé & Ciarán Whelan tangle at the throw-in and both are given the line! :o
An Bannon would be just the ref to do it!
Indeed Frank, call me psychic if you like ;)
Sure we all know Marky doesn't try in the league you can add at least other 0-4 to his score :)
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2007, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 23, 2007, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2007, 10:15:26 PM
Both teams to be down to 14 men a minute into the game: Dara Ó'Sé & Ciarán Whelan tangle at the throw-in and both are given the line! :o
An Bannon would be just the ref to do it!
Indeed Frank, call me psychic if you like ;)
Well I wouldn't like to call you names but I do have a worry about the ref trying to "impose his authority" on the game in the first five minutes and I've had the dubious pleasure of Bannon at this before. I think that the game will open like a whirling dervish - it won't be malicious but it will be frantic. Just a poser which team would suffer more - Kerry minus D O'Shea or Dublin minus C Whelan. IMO Kerry D O'Shea is much more than just a midfielder.
And we had no Darragh or Donaghy and we still kicked your blue Jackeen arse around Donnycarney with only a half fit team. But it matters little, all thats counts is the 70 mins on Sunday :P
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 23, 2007, 10:50:17 PM
Just a poser which team would suffer more - Kerry minus D O'Shea or Dublin minus C Whelan. IMO Kerry D O'Shea is much more than just a midfielder.
I think Ó'Sé would be the greater loss, and substantially so. You're right, he's much more than a straight midfielder -- he's the heartbeat of Kerry, the master orchestrator, and I suppose it must be of some concern that he's now on the other side of his playing days apex. Whelan is not quite as critical for Dublin.
Yeah, Bannon must be a bit of a concern all right, though I hope sense prevails and especially in the first few,potentially incendiary, minutes.
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 23, 2007, 10:58:36 PM
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 23, 2007, 10:50:17 PM
Just a poser which team would suffer more - Kerry minus D O'Shea or Dublin minus C Whelan. IMO Kerry D O'Shea is much more than just a midfielder.
I think Ó'Sé would be the greater loss, and substantially so. You're right, he's much more than a straight midfielder -- he's the heartbeat of Kerry, the master orchestrator, and I suppose it must be of some concern that he's now on the other side of his playing days apex. Whelan is not quite as critical for Dublin.
Yeah, Bannon must be a bit of a concern all right, though I hope sense prevails and especially in the first few,potentially incendiary, minutes.
I am now engaging in an act of heresy. Kerry after O'Shea. It may well be next year or the year after. We did win it a couple of years ago without Dara and with Moynihan on the bench but the day is coming that he hangs up his boots.
One of the finest to wear the green and gold or indeed any jersey. Personally I loved his ability to fetch a free in on the goal line. Manys the time he saved our tail.
Just wondering is there now a toss for the warm up ends or have Dublin gained some devine right to prance about in front of the hill even though it is not their home ground, would be interesting if the Kingdom took up residence in front of Hill 16 for their physical warm up. Would the prancers still stick the collective Blue chest out and stroll to their flock of Jackeens on the hill or would Pillar repeat his shoulder charge on an opposing manager like last years Semi.
I prefer to see my team warm up in the canel end, its the harder goal to score in and if you win the toss play in that direction in the first half too ;)
Quote from: Kerry Mike on August 23, 2007, 11:08:41 PM
Just wondering is there now a toss for the warm up ends or have Dublin gained some devine right to prance about in front of the hill even though it is not their home ground, would be interesting if the Kingdom took up residence in front of Hill 16 for their physical warm up. Would the prancers still stick the collective Blue chest out and stroll to their flock of Jackeens on the hill or would Pillar repeat his shoulder charge on an opposing manager like last years Semi.
I prefer to see my team warm up in the canel end, its the harder goal to score in and if you win the toss play in that direction in the first half too ;)
Might be an omen KM - it worked for Mayo last year.
Quote from: Frank Casey on August 23, 2007, 11:06:55 PM
One of the finest to wear the green and gold or indeed any jersey.
Couldn't disagree with that, no exaggeration for me to say that I never seen better than that man and some of his displays (though not always accompanied by a feeling of anything approaching pleasure at the experience ;)).
Got my tickets for sunday tonight.Top deck of Hogan near enough centre of pitch
Lower Cusack for me. Think I might have to leave after the minor match though. ;)
Would it be a case of Dublin (support) for Derry (not Laois) and Kerry for Laois (Micko, and not the nasty Ulster boys ;))?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 24, 2007, 12:02:40 AM
Got my tickets for sunday tonight.Top deck of Hogan near enough centre of pitch
You'll be overlooking the media lads. Don't be peeking down young O'Muircheartaigh's blouse.
Anyone got any tickets or have any idea how much they'll be on the streets on Sunday
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 24, 2007, 12:02:40 AM
Got my tickets for sunday tonight.Top deck of Hogan near enough centre of pitch
Now don't forget your in their to support the Laois minors and will need to be in at 1. Your not their just to cheer against the Dub's ;)
Yeah but for Dublin games they are always very scarce
How much would the touts be looking for I wonder?
Is it better to look in the pubs like the Big tree or out near the ground?
Got a couple of tickets today so happy days. Still looking for one but reckon I should be able to pick one up over the weekend. I'd normally say I hope its a good game etc etc but at this stage I couldn't care less if it was brutal and we won by 0-4 to 0-3. It's been ages since we got to the final so hopefully we can do it on Sunday. Post mortems on Monday.
Must admit I find the Dubs an attractive proposition at 7/4, although I cant help thinking their defence isn't what people think it is and they could ship goals bigtime if Cluxton has an off day. Kerry didn't set the world alite the last day, but it will have brought them on a bagful. Kerry by 2
Quote from: bennydorano on August 24, 2007, 03:15:12 PM
Must admit I find the Dubs an attractive proposition at 7/4, although I cant help thinking their defence isn't what people think it is and they could ship goals bigtime if Cluxton has an off day. Kerry didn't set the world alite the last day, but it will have brought them on a bagful. Kerry by 2
Agree, however a mate of mine gave evens kerry so he is now minus an arm. Kerry haven't even went for the clutch let alone go into second. Kerry by 3-4 after the dubs serving it up for 55mins.
Just pulled a paiir of tickets, and out the gap now on me way to the big smoke to get a good run at those Jackeens.
Yerra with the weather good for the weekend it should make for a cracking game on Sunday, can't wait, and remember while
youse have those boys in Blue, we have men wearing the Green And Gold.
Ciarraí abu....
Can't wait for this now. As annoying as some Dubs are I love the hype and nostalgia in the papers, it's got to me too! The 7/4 is very appealing, Dubs by two I reckon. They've came on a lot since last year with two great additions to the forward line in Bernard jr and Vaughan, and as someone (Hardy I think) said on here I can't see this Kerry team being the first in almost 20 years to retain Sam, Cork won't beat them so Dublin may.
Don't care though, hope it's a cracker
Well almost there ,Not feeling confident , Just hope that Monaghan were as good and well prepared as people say they were . The midfield battle will be the key ,as both defences are loose .
Thought I knew Croker fairly well. 301 - 336 is lower 501-536 is premium, 701-736 is upper, but whats 401-436? Can anybody advise?
Dublin 1-14
Kerry 0-15
Quote from: jodyb on August 24, 2007, 10:29:40 PM
Thought I knew Croker fairly well. 301 - 336 is lower 501-536 is premium, 701-736 is upper, but whats 401-436? Can anybody advise?
The Cubicals in the Jacks, get there early and you might get two together,
Sat there once, never again, the view sucks :P
Dublin 2-12
Kerry 1-10
:o :o :o :o
The confidence in Kerry is scaring me a bit. Not sure whether its because they're confident Kerry will up their performance or they just think the Dubs arent good enough.
One thing for sure, Kerry have the better bench.
This is more than likely irrelevant, but I was talking to a Skerries Harps man who said Donncha Reilly has been dropped from the subs bench and Graham Cullen added.
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Quote from: jodyb on August 24, 2007, 10:29:40 PM
Thought I knew Croker fairly well. 301 - 336 is lower 501-536 is premium, 701-736 is upper, but whats 401-436? Can anybody advise?
The Cubicals in the Jacks, get there early and you might get two together,
Sat there once, never again, the view sucks :P
Sounds like it was more than the view that was doin' the suckin' :D
Genuinely hope Dublin win and I think they will...
Dublin 1 -14
Kerry 2 - 10
Come on the Dubs !!!
This is not going to be a close game. Kerry 3-12, Dublin 1-11
Kerry were lucky to scrape past Monaghan - had monaghan beat Kerry, would they be favourites against Dublin ? Don't think so ! So why the optimism that Kerry will beat Dublin handy.
Quote from: jodyb on August 24, 2007, 10:29:40 PM
Thought I knew Croker fairly well. 301 - 336 is lower 501-536 is premium, 701-736 is upper, but whats 401-436? Can anybody advise?
Level 4 refers to the Árd Comhairle in the hogan, the back seats on the Lower Cusack and the wheelchair seats and spaces also at the Back of the Davin and Cusack stands.
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 11:48:52 AM
Speaking of tactics, I think Donaghy will be deployed around the middle of the field for long spells tomorrow. They have to change things and Gooch is wasted living off scraps from a target man. Gooch is a good enough target on his own.
i think your right there 5ivetimes. I said they same thing last night to a dublin friend of mine.Kerry have to change their tactics they will probabLy leave donaghy in for the first 10 or 15 minutes and if things aren't working out they will bring him out around the centre.Hope its a great match and lives up to all the hype.
Dublin's biggest problem is going to be that piller won't have the wit to repeat what Monaghan did to stiffle kerry. Dublin play a man for man game at the back which will suit kerry down to the ground. By the time kerry got round to getting the ball into their forwards, Monaghan had half backs doubling up on donagh and gooch and midfielders and half forwards eating up space and hitting everything that moved.
Dublin will be intent on teaching kerry a football lesson and fast open game will result in only one winner.
Quote from: ExiledGael on August 24, 2007, 08:40:26 PM
Can't wait for this now. As annoying as some Dubs are I love the hype and nostalgia in the papers, it's got to me too! The 7/4 is very appealing, Dubs by two I reckon. They've came on a lot since last year with two great additions to the forward line in Bernard jr and Vaughan, and as someone (Hardy I think) said on here I can't see this Kerry team being the first in almost 20 years to retain Sam, Cork won't beat them so Dublin may.
Don't care though, hope it's a cracker
not so sure about that. think cork will have a great chance against kerry..
Cork will beat whomsoever they meet in the final, no doubt about it ;)
I'm finding this match impossible to call and likewise the final, whoever winds up there. I tend to rely on precedent and statistics more than most in betting. The one thing that precedent shouts at me is that it's very very difficult to retain the Sam Maguire.
On that basis, I'm thinking of backing both Dublin and Cork outright at current odds (2/1 and 9/4 respectively). That's equivalent to 1/2 (or better if Cork win) that the title won't be retained. (I could lay Kerry, but I'd have to go about 2.5 to 2.6 - about 25% more exposure).
What are the "natural" odds against the title being retained, since it hasn't been done in the last 16 attempts? How then do you factor the fact that Kerry are in the last three as favorites? Lone Shark?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 25, 2007, 01:18:01 PM
Cork will beat whomsoever they meet in the final, no doubt about it ;)
fear, i really believe that cork will beat kerry in the final, no bullshit. if i was trying to be cute i'd be busy talking up the dubs but i dont think they'll beat kerry, they'll have their usual 10 wides, vaughan will either be brilliant with the 45's and do nothing else or have a 'great' game but miss five 45's. the pressure the dubs will be under will be immense, 30 years since they beat kerry, the hill etc. cork on the other hand wait in the long grass with a list of grievances a mile long with morgan reminding them of everyone of them. i'll be putting my e100 on cork for the ai...
It will be nip and tuck until the last 10-15 mins and then the Yerra men will pull away, bit like the Galway KK match. Expect whoever wins to beat the Langers, this is the AI final 4 me...
Indeed MK, I've fancied Cork from the beginning (if we weren't up to it), and I actually think being beaten in the Munster Final has helped them, as it helped yourselves last year. There's a fire and intensity about their game this year that I hadn't seen before, and it was evident even as far back as the NFL game against ourselves.
A big reason why teams don't defend the All Ireland is they just don't have quite the hunger of the opposition. But with Dublin and Cork to come, hunger shouldnt be a problem. In saying that there has to be a small chance of them underestimating Dublin.
Would be quite funny/ironic to see Donaghy pulled out the field. Going full circle with Cork copying Kerry with Cussen in the first place, now Kerry copying Cork! Now sure it'll work out like that, though I would be absolutely delighted if after 10 or 15 minutes Donaghy does move out the field.
This is Dublin's All Ireland. If we do pull it off, then I'd have to favour Cork in the final. Very hard job to regroup, get the feet back on the ground and not let favouritism go to the head. On the other hand I cannot see Cork beating Kerry in Croke Park if Kerry do the Dubs.
Just curious 5ive Times, woud you jump out of your seat say if Kerry score a goal, or will you have a detached enjoyment of the game?
Im going to match with my girlfriend and her father,He is a big man and a big fan of the Dubs...Im gonna have to be on my best behavior :-\
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 08:17:15 PM
Why Laoislad, its not as if he`ll expect you to support the Dubs
No he won't but he doesn't want me shouting against them either!
Funny logic i know so it's best just to sit down and say nothing if only for a quite life afterwards
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 06:40:15 PM
Just got 2 tickets for tomorrows game, so I am hoping for a cracking game.
Am still hoping for a Kerry win, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the Dubs will win this one. They are due a win against Kerry.
everyone is ;)
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 25, 2007, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 06:40:15 PM
Just got 2 tickets for tomorrows game, so I am hoping for a cracking game.
Am still hoping for a Kerry win, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the Dubs will win this one. They are due a win against Kerry.
everyone is ;)
Not everyone, Kerry have never beaten Down in a Championship fixture ;)
But then again we dont have 32 Sams like you.
which two are you forgeting! :'( 34 is the magic number...
Quote from: magickingdom on August 25, 2007, 08:57:11 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 08:43:34 PM
Quote from: magickingdom on August 25, 2007, 08:39:46 PM
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 25, 2007, 06:40:15 PM
Just got 2 tickets for tomorrows game, so I am hoping for a cracking game.
Am still hoping for a Kerry win, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the Dubs will win this one. They are due a win against Kerry.
everyone is ;)
Not everyone, Kerry have never beaten Down in a Championship fixture ;)
But then again we dont have 32 Sams like you.
which two are you forgeting! :'( 34 is the magic number...
There'll be a lot more of those Kerry tears come tomorrow evening.
Looking forward to this one. Dublin by 2, just... just holding on after a vicious Kerry push at the death, having built up an impressive lead earlier in the game! ;)
Fancy Kerry by a few, maybe Dublin, but it could also be a draw, its a close one this fleck me arse is sore sitting on this fence, cant make my mind up.
Think it will be feisty
Just leaving to head to Croker now....Laois by 3 and Kerry by 5
Can someone tell me at what time the game begins? Thanks.
15.30
That's possible, but 15:45 can't be ruled out! Seems to be a good few Kerry heads up on the Hill, rather them than me anyway.
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 26, 2007, 03:14:40 PM
That's possible, but 15:45 can't be ruled out! Seems to be a good few Kerry heads up on the Hill, rather them than me anyway.
Yeah would rather them than me too,There is a lot of dodgy looking characters on the Hill that wouldn't look out of place in Mountjoy
Dubs are at their taunting antics again ::)
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 03:46:27 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on August 26, 2007, 03:14:40 PM
That's possible, but 15:45 can't be ruled out! Seems to be a good few Kerry heads up on the Hill, rather them than me anyway.
Yeah would rather them than me too,There is a lot of dodgy looking characters on the Hill that wouldn't look out of place in Mountjoy
Yeah, felt uncomfortable enough with the Meath supporters there at the QF, never mind the element of the Dubs that could be there.
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 03:49:02 PM
Dubs are at their taunting antics again ::)
Desperate!
Where's the pure football now?
Out to the carpark with them!
It's not wise, just pure childish stuff.
Can't believe I'm actually rooting for Kerry. But that's what it's come to.
The mouthing into Kerry players face is a disgrace.
casey is among the worst of them with the taunting and he is the worst player on the pitch.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 26, 2007, 04:14:59 PM
The mouthing into Kerry players face is a disgrace.
It was worse against Laois as they already had them beat,I hope Kerry shove it down their throats and beat them
I was marginally in favour of a Dublin win before the match started, but the behaviour of the Brogans in particular has made me change my mind. The constant mouthing and goading is a disgrace and should have no part in the game :(
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 26, 2007, 04:14:59 PM
The mouthing into Kerry players face is a disgrace.
It was worse against Laois as they already had them beat,I hope Kerry shove it down their throats and beat them
I only seen bits of the Laois game but the Dubs tried to justify it because Laois players were doing blah blah blah, I can't wait to hear them justify the taunting of a player lying on the ground after a missed chance.
Get in there! I don't see how any neutrals could be going for the Dubs-hateful hoors
I wonder did Tankie see that high challenge from Whelan ???
Well Tankie tell us all ???
Its like Christmas!
Well done Kerry, Dublin not quite up to it in the end. Cork won't be fazed.
O'Rourke: " Dublin doomed to glorious failure"
Probably a culchie conspiracy.
Too true Fear. One in a row for Cork!!
I know we are going to be accused of being bitter,But im delighted Dublin were beat.With the taunting they done with the Laois players and the taunting they were at again today with the Kerry players it has come back to haunt them
They are nothing more than a overhyped media creation and hopefully a few of the cocky showboaters like Whelan and a few others will call it a day
Im from Cork and know Kerry will probably beat us but i'd rather lose to a team like Kerry than listen to the Dubs
Quote from: Take Your Points on August 26, 2007, 05:19:11 PM
You can't expect to win when one of your midfielders leaves the field and sits in the stand for long periods of the game! :D
Sits or shits?
Maybe now the GAA will realise what ever one outside of Galway knew since 1998 -
BANNON IS A POOR REF.
Well done to Kerry.They lost it for a bit, crossing the line to from standing up to the Dubs to getting wound up by them.
Again 3 Kerry subs shift Kerry to higher standards.
The Dubs were an anathema to the GAA in the first half, played a good second half, should take credit for their honest endevours.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 26, 2007, 05:25:54 PM
Maybe now the GAA will realise what ever one outside of Galway knew since 1998 -
Eh?
He wouldnt let the Derry lads tackle any Galway Forward in the 1998 All Ireland Semi.
Subsequently in any Galway game he reffed nobody could look at a Galway player but it was a free.
A friend of mine always calls him John Galway. :D
Dublin tried the usual tactics they've being employing all year, little digs, trying to get the last "knock" in on their markers.
But this wasn't Laois or Longford they were playing, it was Kerry.
Very glad they were beaten, can't stand the current Dublin team and the media circus around them. It drives me up the wall.
And one more thing, i don't think they're as good as todays result showed, Kerry could have and should have won by more and with more ease.
Its not an anti-Dub simply because its Dublin, I'm actually really getting behind the Dublin U21 hurlers, would love to see them do well.
;D
What a crowd of tramps there was on the Hill 16 this afternoon.
Bannon was a woeful ref and I did wonder what Kerry had to do to get frees, as Dublin were getting far too handy.
Glad to see Kerry progress into yet another All-Ireland Final, as the Dublin Hype Machine would have been unbearable over the next few weeks.
I may have begrudgingly supported Dublin, had it not have been of the antics against Laois back in July. Good enough for them.
Quote of the Day: Colm O'Rourke "Dublin, the team destined to be glorious failures" :D
or that one "if he had shot with his left or his right he would have done better"
O'Rourke on Séamus Scanlon: "He doesn't exhibit the usual Kerry traits", i.e., he misses a lot :D
Quote from: Main Street on August 26, 2007, 06:09:18 PM
or that one "if he had shot with his left or his right he would have done better"
Yeah that was a classic line
Whelan was poor today. He was poor the last day too against Derry. He wasn't great last year against Mayo either. Get my drift yet?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2007, 06:12:32 PM
Whelan was poor today. He was poor the last day too against Derry. He wasn't great last year against Mayo either. Get my drift yet?
You think he's brilliant :P
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 05:17:50 PM
I know we are going to be accused of being bitter,But im delighted Dublin were beat.With the taunting they done with the Laois players and the taunting they were at again today with the Kerry players it has come back to haunt themThey are nothing more than a overhyped media creation and hopefully a few of the cocky showboaters like Whelan and a few others will call it a day
Im from Cork and know Kerry will probably beat us but i'd rather lose to a team like Kerry than listen to the Dubs
Yes, agree with you there. They are grown men for Gods sake, I didnt see the Laois match but today they acted like kids and were found out in the end.
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 06:13:51 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 26, 2007, 06:12:32 PM
Whelan was poor today. He was poor the last day too against Derry. He wasn't great last year against Mayo either. Get my drift yet?
You think he's brilliant :P
Yea, he's the best midfielder of all time! ;) No seriously, I don't know what he did to be classed as a super midfielder.
I have to say that Dublin shouldn't have being that close to Kerry in the end.
The ref COULDN'T have done more for Dublin. Even without O'Sé for most of the game Kerry would have ran away with it if it wasn't for the ref.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 26, 2007, 05:12:45 PM
Probably a culchie conspiracy.
Sure the ref is a culchie, they might blame it on him! ;D
Sickening goading from the Dubs again and as a result they'll get little sympathy from anyone for their latest semi-final demise. I had given them a hesitant vote for victory and was marginally supporting them today as well until that nonsense started.
Kerry shushed the mouths, beat the Dubs and the referee and were full value for it. Dubs settled down a bit in the second half but there was still some distasteful slanging going on, with only Galvin seeming intent on returning it in kind. One can excuse one or two mouthy gits in a team as every side has one or two, but the trash talking and winding up was so prevalent across the board that one can only assume it's a deliberate, premediated tactic endorsed and encouraged by the Dubs management. It's horrible to look at.
The Dubs continue to be a flawed project. They just don't have it and don't look like finding it, despite all the Leinsters and all the goes they've had at it by now. If Pilar goes as he should then they might dig a Sam out of the team yet but there's a certain something missing in Dublin all the time.
Re: Whelan, I thought he caught some great ball today but only played in patches.
On the final, if Kerry can't get Darragh and Griffin a bit fitter, Cork could eat them in midfield.
There is a God in heaven!!!!!! Up Cork!!!
Whelan did catch some great ball in the second half, but didn't do enough of it I'm afraid.
What went wrong, was in the last few minutes, when cluxton passed it to a Kerryman (Donaghy?) and Kerry got a point out of it. I believe it was there for the taking at that stage.
Probably Cluxton's only mistake, but what a f**king clanger; game over for Dublin.
Hell slap it up dublin today. I am no fan of Kerry but they played like men and fully deserved their win. Dublin had no class today on the field of play nor the way they conducted themselves and I went from pulling for them to hoping they got ten shades o shite bate outta them.
Cork for sam 2007. ;D
until brian cullen started goading declan o'sullivan (then turned in a man of the match display ;D) i was for the dubs, delighted now they are bet. who the hell does he think he is to jeer any kerry man, have some f**king repect! plus my fellow countyman in the middle had a pure bias to the dubs and they still couldnt win
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2007, 06:33:53 PM
Probably Cluxton's only mistake, but what a f**king clanger; game over for Dublin.
It was showboating...And only a Dub would do that when their losing
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on August 26, 2007, 06:39:29 PM
until brian cullen started goading declan o'sullivan (then turned in a man of the match display ;D) i was for the dubs, delighted now they are bet. who the hell does he think he is to jeer any kerry man, have some f**king repect! plus my fellow countyman in the middle had a pure bias to the dubs and they still couldnt win
Souldn't matter if its Kerry or New York you shouldn't be goading players for missing a point or if your beating them...Delighted it was shoved up their Jackeen holes
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 06:42:36 PM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on August 26, 2007, 06:39:29 PM
until brian cullen started goading declan o'sullivan (then turned in a man of the match display ;D) i was for the dubs, delighted now they are bet. who the hell does he think he is to jeer any kerry man, have some f**king repect! plus my fellow countyman in the middle had a pure bias to the dubs and they still couldnt win
Souldn't matter if its Kerry or New York you shouldn't be goading players for missing a point or if your beating them...Delighted it was shoved up their Jackeen holes
oh dont get me wrong i agree but youd think cullen would have SOME sense not to jeer a player who is FAR better than himself!
Does anyone else think its actually all down to the management and not the players ? I mean this goading and acting the bollox mentality ? I'm sure its the management making it "policy".
Quote from: sligeach on August 26, 2007, 06:46:32 PM
Does anyone else think its actually all down to the management and not the players ? I mean this goading and acting the bollox mentality ? I'm sure its the management making it "policy".
Aye but it's the players that do it. No one holds a gun to their head.
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 26, 2007, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: sligeach on August 26, 2007, 06:46:32 PM
Does anyone else think its actually all down to the management and not the players ? I mean this goading and acting the bollox mentality ? I'm sure its the management making it "policy".
Aye but it's the players that do it. No one holds a gun to their head.
They do in Clondalkin :D
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2007, 06:33:53 PM
Probably Cluxton's only mistake, but what a f**king clanger; game over for Dublin.
It was showboating...And only a Dub would do that when their losing
:D Only da jacks, only da fecking jacks!
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On the final, if Kerry can't get Darragh and Griffin a bit fitter, Cork could eat them in midfield.
Lone Shark is going 2/5 Kerry, 5/2 Cork. I'm surprised.
I think the commentary here on today's match is way over the top with the negative stuff. Sure the Dubs would sicken you with the mouthing, but I thought that was a great second half of football, to which the Dubs, loathe them if you will, contributed handsomely.
Quote from: Hardy on August 26, 2007, 07:04:31 PM
Sure the Dubs would sicken you with the mouthing, but I thought that was a great second half of football, to which the Dubs, loathe them if you will, contributed handsomely.
That's fair enough comment IMO. A very good second half, when they both got on with the football.
Thing about it was, its not the Dublin backs and midfield that are the worst culprits for acting the bollix and shouting in lads faces....its little shites like Sherlock who poked one of the Kerry backs in the eyes, and Alan Brogan and Keaney, and Cluxton at Gooch in the first half in front of the goal. Ya didnt see anyone try it with big Dara! ;) Ya might unnerve some teams like that but its not Kerrys first time coming up against such shite im sure
Same old dubs... just didnt have the balls in the end :-\
Did anyone else wish they were in Croke Park today so they could run onto the pitch and point to the scoreboard and start jumping around like a monkey in front of Brogan, Keaney and the rest of the scum?
If that had been Tyrone and Armagh in the 1st half the game would have been took to pieces by the southern press. Constant handbags, men behind the ball, brogan diving for a free, poor shooting, booing of free's and players shouting in each others faces. Just an observation but overall I enjoyed the game and dont think many will show much sympathy to the Dubs especially after their premature celebrations v Laois. As much as the neutrals got behind Kerry today, they'll be equally behind Cork the next day. Hopefully Cork wont ruin the all ireland final by collapsing like they did the last 2 times v Kerry in croke. If they do it will be a snore fest.
Will Fr Gardiner and his Refereeing Committee be having a review of Bannon's awful one sided performance today?
Surely it's time this man was removed from Refereeing?
One good thing about today's result - no more McStay wetting himself about Dublin.
Kerry one point up -almost time up and he comes out with a breathless load of drivel saying Dublin will get a draw.
And to think we let this clown live in Ros >:(
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 26, 2007, 07:43:16 PM
Did anyone else wish they were in Croke Park today so they could run onto the pitch and point to the scoreboard and start jumping around like a monkey in front of Brogan, Keaney and the rest of the scum?
I'd pay good money to do that.
QuoteKerry one point up -almost time up and he comes out with a breathless load of drivel saying Dublin will get a draw.
Well, with one point in it, if Dublin won the kickout and got the ball up the field I'd bet the house they'd get a free to draw it.
Sorry Dubs - but I was delighted to see Dublin put out today - their whole approach to the game stinks - your manager obviuosly has instilled this bitter streak into you - the whole country were delighted to see you beat - why don't you cnocentrate on playing football insterad of constantly goading the opposition ?.
If Dublin concentrated more on playing football they might win the AI but this goading shit really is pathetic - get rid of this please - I blame the management who seem to think this is how you win matches - maybe this worked 30 years ago - but not now - delighted to see Dublin beat !
Just back from match...I have to honestly say i think the Dubs deserved a draw.Thought they were great in the last 20mins
What the f**k was Cluxton at though the stupid fool..Also why did Pillar bring on Ray Cosgrove and not bring in Mossy Quinn until the 68thmin?
Haven't time to write more as my brother just rang me on way home from Croker to tell me i have become an Uncle for the first time..My new little niece was born at 7.25pm ;D ;D ;D
So it's off to the pub with me!!!!
Cluxton seemed to have an almighty brainfart and came charging up the pitch. I thought for a second he was thinking of going up all the way and trying to land a point himself.
Instead he kicked it straight to Donaghy and it ended up going over the Dublin bar.
Sirs,
I attended Croke Park today and from my excellent vantage point in Section 502 of the Cusack Stand I have some very clear shots of the scoreboard at the end of today's game. Now, I know you lads, one of you who wasn't good enough to get on the team, and one who was taken off are always keen to ensure that the loosing team know the score at the end and I will be glad to provide same at no cost at all.
I also have a rare shot never before taken in an All-Ireland Semi-Final of a team with no goalkeeper because he is out past the 30mtr line kick passing the ball to the opposition, one of the few occasions when a Kerry player was allowed to catch the ball without the ref giving a free against him.
Hillarious stuff. There is a God.
Rock-bottom Kingdom ripe to be stormed if Dublin's true believers hold their nerve
Football Analyst Liam Hayes
KERRY football surely reached its lowest point in the last 30 years, midway through the second-half of their quarter-final victory over Monaghan earlier this month. It was sad to watch. Pathetic, even. Sure, Monaghan stopped two feet short of the finish-line and refused to budge, even an inch further, in the last two minutes of the game itself and the three minutes of stoppage time.
And, sure, Kerry stormed by them to win by a whisker. It is from this low, low point that this Kerry team are viewing this afternoon's great semi-final meeting with Dublin.
They have a long uphill battle ahead of them after their dreadful quarterfinal performance. With the game looking out of their reach and with Monaghan looking good for an historic victory, a half-decent Kerry team was reduced to the antics of a bunch of juvenile footballers. We watched grown men in green and gold, a great many of them with two All-Ireland medals pinned to their chests, carefully working the ball up to within 70 yards and 60 yards of the Monaghan goalmouth . . . and then lobbing it in the direction of Kieran Donaghy.
Eventually, a defender under pressure from Donaghy knocked down one ball and Kerry got the goal that saved Pat O'Shea's bacon.
But it was bad, bad, bad football, and I couldn't help trying to work out for myself how far Kerry football has fallen, in full view of the last generation of GAA fans.
Kieran Donaghy acting as a telegraph-pole in front of an opponent's goal got Kerry out of a 'bad place' last summer and won them an All-Ireland which, thanks to Mayo's second vanishing act in three years, was of precious little value. But if the future of the Kerry football is dependant upon 'Hail Mary' (that's what they call them in the American NFL) passes being sent in Kieran Donaghy's general direction, then it has to be said. . .
The Kingdom no longer rules. It's finished, it's kaput. There is no such place worthy of . . . and living up to - this mighty name anymore, and the GAA has lost its most prized territory.
Now, let me tell you, I don't like writing this and I don't like you having to read this judgement of mine on the morning of yet, another, so tempting Kerry-Dublin meeting. I love Kerry football. Some of my best friends are Kerry people. Actually, I am in awe of the fabulous county and the smart, always sensible men and women produced there.
However (and this is a thundering however), I'm not going to come out with the false patronising commentary which almost everyone else in this writing business has been offering up in recent years. They're all afraid of saying 'boo' in front of a Kerry football team - terrified, most of them.
I'm going to tell you that Kerry football teams have barely left a mark on the game for over 20 years - less than a handful of All-Irelands, and not one of them truly memorable in my book.
Equally, Kerry stopped producing 'giants' of the game over the last two decades. Apart from Darragh O Se.
He's for real, a living giant. But Seamus Moynihan was never one of the greatest footballers of this or any other generation - he was, just, exceptionally good, and strong and brave.
A few weeks ago, I wrote that 'The Gooch' was like Tiger Woods stuck on two 'majors', and I firmly believe that he gets far too much praise, far too quickly from most quarters. Colm Cooper is a tricky, accurate inside forward, with a sublime touch on occasions which are quite infrequent. He needs a massive 'second-half ' to his career if he is to be measured up against Pat Spillane or Mikey Sheehy or John Egan.
Naturally, it would be right to assume that I give Kerry no chance of winning this afternoon's semi-final, and gaining access to an All-Ireland final against Cork which would warm all Kerry hearts. Kerry and Cork, right now, are both in Dublin's pocket.
If Kerry are to make a real game of this 'semi', they will have to begin by taking Donaghy from full-forward and allow him 70 minutes of athletic 'fun' beside O Se in the middle. Pat O'Shea should actually take this page from Billy Morgan's game-book last Sunday.
Morgan sent Michael Cussen roaming and for a tall, rangy player he played a significant, little role in Cork's stunning, though predictable, victory.
Donaghy is twice as good a footballer as Cussen. He's got greater confidence in himself, and he has the intelligence to make a difference on the football field. He's really lost at No. 14. The Kerry management would be far better off putting Cooper in that shirt for the next four or five years and asking him, every single game, is he a man or a mouse or is he 'Gooch the Great'?
My money, still, would be on Cooper showing us just how great a footballer he is, and I genuinely would love to witness him living up to his name and showing us all that his reputation was not over-inflated at too young an age.
Cooper in front of the square, in front of Ross McConnell (or whoever else the Dublin management team decide to send in his direction) should be an easy call this afternoon.
Kerry were in ragged condition by the time they started celebrating their quarter-final victory over Monaghan.
Their defence had been stretched, and stretched again. Their midfield pairing had been muscled out of the contest before it was half-over. And their forward division had been sent packing by the Monaghan defence - Galvin with a sore shoulder, and Brosnan and Frank Russell, with nothing to show for the afternoon, were taken off.
The kids who replaced them are only kids. Bryan Sheehan and Darren O'Sullivan have not even finished their apprenticeships as Kerry footballers.
The Kerry team is down and that's why most of the country imagines they are going to be incredibly dangerous this afternoon. I don't think so.
If this Dublin team is worth its salt it will work solidly for 50 or 55 minutes and coast home, in a business-like manner (rather than a holiday-like manner). I honestly believe this Dublin team is lacking in genius, and has no great magical quality to it, but it has brought itself to a position over the last six years (not three) where it believes, solidly, truly, that it is the best football team in the country.
Believing is half the battle, and if Dublin hold their nerve once again, as they did brilliantly against Derry in their quarter-final win, they will be in an All-Ireland final before they know it.
This Dublin team in an All-Ireland final will surely behave like men entering a five-star hotel in a promised land.
They'll make themselves at home, and look and feel absolutely fantastic.
Dublin are so close, finally, and the poorest and most shaken Kerry team of the last 20 years are in their way. It does not have to be all that close. Dublin could, all going well, win this game by anything between five and 10 points.
It all depends, really, on the Dublin defence. It's got to hold up, that's all.
Last week, we said that in a contest between a 'great' Cork defence and a 'very good' Meath attack, that the defence looked the winner. And so it was. Today, we've got a 'very good' Dublin defence against a 'good' Kerry forward-line. If defence holds solid, The Dubs are home.
There are no real doubts over Dublin's ability to, at the very least, win an even share of the good ball and spoiled ball in the middle third of the field. Ciaran Whelan and Shane Ryan are the number one midfield pairing in the country, and Cahill, Cullen, and Moran are going to put their lives on the line for every loose ball. Kerry footballers never lack bravery when it comes to the ugly side of the game either but this Dublin team will not lose out when it comes to measuring out the raw courage on display.
It's in Kerry's front garden, however, that Dublin can also profit and win the game. Any team, coming into the month of August, which has forwards as scorehungry as Alan and Bernard Brogan, and Jason Sherlock and Mark Vaughan, has to be as happy as it is confident.
The Dubs have more forwards bang in form than Kerry, they have two 'new' forwards (in Bernard Brogan and Vaughan) who are lapping up the big time and who do not seem to realise they should be very afraid. And they have Conal Keaney - Dublin's 'secret' All-Ireland winning weapon. Keaney has had a relatively quiet summer but has time on his side to be the most important footballer on this Dublin team. He might just take what's left of the championship by the throat.
All that powerful scoring ability favours Dublin and that's before anyone thinks of Ray Cosgrove or Mossy Quinn, either of whom could be worth an All-Ireland winning point.
As I asked last week - spread the two teams out on the table in front of you, weigh them up, shake them around, hell, turn them upside down and whichever way you look at it, this day is going to end up with a Dublin victory. Unless Dublin fold, or get caught in holiday mode in the final five minutes, and neither of those happenings are going to disturb or turnaround the result of this semi-final.
Dublin by a magical, but believable, seven or eight points
Funny stuff from this guy today. Absolute Cheek and has made a right fool of himself
QuoteHowever (and this is a thundering however), I'm not going to come out with the false patronising commentary which almost everyone
You dont fool us boyo...we see through your "I'll make outrageous statements which I will crow about if I'm right and pretend was a wind up if I'm wrong"
..a failed manager and a washed up journalist.
Well done to kerry
More to follow tomorow
So lads there was a good few Kerry fans on the hill and got at few Hill tickets from a Kerry lad myself . Guess you cant moan about not being offered Hill tickets any more? ??? ???
Someone I know was speaking to The Pony before the game.
Pony said that the Kerry management used this article to get the Kerry lads hopping before the game.
Hayes is a lakes merchant.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 26, 2007, 09:24:52 PM
..a failed manager and a washed up journalist.
Magnanimous in victory as ever Michael.
The attack by Hayes on Kerry was ludricrous, of course. To say that there's nothing special about Cooper and Moynihan is patent nonsense. Funny thing is, Hayes tipped Mayo to beat Kerry last year. He really does seem to have a Kerry complex. I wonder is it because his own great years co-incided with a Kerry famine? Can it be said that you've ever deserved an All-Ireland if you haven't beaten the Kingdom along the way? Is Hayes bitter because Kerry weren't around for him to test himself against? One for Doctor Melfi I suppose.
One settles for Hill tickets G. One does not seek them. ;) Better luck next year!
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
One settles for Hill tickets G. One does not seek them. ;) Better luck next year!
But it was claimed only Dubs where afforded hill tickets so if kerry fans got them this clearly debunks this myth ?
True or False?
Quote from: Gnevin on August 26, 2007, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
One settles for Hill tickets G. One does not seek them. ;) Better luck next year!
But it was claimed only Dubs where afforded hill tickets so if kerry fans got them this clearly debunks this myth
More than one myth de-bunked today .
It was very symbolic dont you think ? I read a lot of stuff about the hill and how these Kerry players had never faced it etc, etc
Instead, not were the players not fazed but a Kerry "firm" took the hill by storm.. ;D...oh the humiliation ! I'll be the lads over on reservoirdubs will be outraged !
still hoarse from roaring at that game today! what to say about the dubs? the trash talking is bullshit but thats all i wouldnt take too much notice of it and i'm sure kerry gave it back in kind tho maybe not as obvious! guys like the brograns have got a lot of slack over that lately but its a bit harsh if you ask me, things can get hot on the pitch but once its left there that should be it.. in fairness to the dubs they left nothing in the dressing room in that second half but they just were not going to beat kerry today. thought griffin was surperb when he came on, the gouch fantastic, galvin did a mountain of work and donaghy had his best game all year. must say the dubs bring some atmosphere to the place (cast your mind back to cork/meath). finally the ref was a disgrace, kerry beat him as well today (not for the first time), there is a certain level of competency that must be reached and bannon wasnt even close. he should try another vocation..
cluxton blew it when there was only a point in it.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
One settles for Hill tickets G. One does not seek them. ;) Better luck next year!
classic! ;D. i was there once but then i got a job...
QuoteMagnanimous in victory as ever Michael.
you think he deserves any ?
Quote from: johnpower on August 26, 2007, 09:39:44 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 26, 2007, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on August 26, 2007, 09:31:40 PM
One settles for Hill tickets G. One does not seek them. ;) Better luck next year!
But it was claimed only Dubs where afforded hill tickets so if kerry fans got them this clearly debunks this myth
More than one myth de-bunked today .
So your saying next year we wont have to put up with the b/s that the GAA don't offer any other county a hill ticket when in reality they just return their hill allocation ?
He could be one of the dubs that write on the hoganstand website every day.If kerry are finished what are tyrone,mayo,dublin and soon cork.His rant is unreal and he is afraid to say what he really means,backing up by saying his victims are still good or great.All the talk in the world cannot save dublin or cork from the power of a very good Kerry team, he is jealous and foolish all in one sentence.
how do you know the tickets were not sold to touts??
Ray Cosgrove :D
Cluxton :D
Was listenin to the pundits today talking about how great a midfielder Ciaran Whelan is. What a joke. What has he ever done? Has he ever played for a full 70 without disappearing? Good engine when he uses but a pretty limited footballer. Annoys me hearing this craic about Whelan when you look at boys like Fergal Doherty within my own county not getting half the plaudits.
Really glad that the Dubs were beat today. If i remember right, I had a soft spot for them a few years ago. Also, it would be a right nice change for the Dubs to win it. However, their antics in the Laois match and today turned me into an ardent Kerry fan for the day. Shower of tramps the lot of them, Borgans, Keaney, Sherlock and that joke Cluxton. What the hell was he at, coming out swan laking with a coupla mins left and their championship aspirations hanging by a thread.
Feel a bit sorry for the likes of Shane Ryan though. When Kerry played today Dublin were a bit :-\
Quote from: ludermor on August 26, 2007, 09:52:26 PM
how do you know the tickets were not sold to touts??
What tickets ? What are you talking about?
hayes is a twat. i got as far as 'kerry football surely reached its lowest point in the last 30 years midway through the second half of their quarter final victory over monaghan earlier this month'. that was his first 5 lines and thats where i stopped. he hasnt a focking clue and maybe he thinks he's funny.
the hill tickets you stupid bitter w**ker
Quote from: Tubberman on August 26, 2007, 04:17:27 PM
I was marginally in favour of a Dublin win before the match started, but the behaviour of the Brogans in particular has made me change my mind. The constant mouthing and goading is a disgrace and should have no part in the game :(
For fooks sake. I've only gotten to reading the start of the comments, and I have to read this absolute shít! the Brogans were responding to physical hits. Fair better to give mouth back than than retailiate and risk a red card.
Quote from: Hound on August 26, 2007, 10:04:22 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on August 26, 2007, 04:17:27 PM
I was marginally in favour of a Dublin win before the match started, but the behaviour of the Brogans in particular has made me change my mind. The constant mouthing and goading is a disgrace and should have no part in the game :(
For fooks sake. I've only gotten to reading the start of the comments, and I have to read this absolute shít! the Brogans were responding to physical hits. Fair better to give mouth back than than retailiate and risk a red card.
Please expalin what Cullen at . He is some clown
17 posts and not one saying fair play to the Dublin lads you properly gave us the game of the season i know you all hate the dubs but surely you could say fair play to the dublin lads who give so much just for you idiots to call them scum and to be delighted to see them lose?
kerry were up to more shit in todays game than dublin were.
Quote from: ludermor on August 26, 2007, 10:02:48 PM
the hill tickets you stupid bitter w**ker
So your saying hill tickets where given to country teams who then touted them?
Caffery's tactical masterstroke of bringing Ray Cosgrove on said it all. The man just doesn't have what it takes to win an all-ireland, but in the hands of the right manager the Dubs could well do it. D
Don't be surprised to see Joe Kernan might step up to the plate if the money is right!
Fair play to Dublin who showed great character to come back from 6 points down and could have won but for some poor judgement (Cluxton) and a few important breaks.
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 26, 2007, 10:18:22 PM
Fair play to Dublin who showed great character to come back from 6 points down and could have won but for some poor judgement (Cluxton) and a few important breaks.
The real poor judgement came for the sideline 10 minutes in and everyone around me on the hill was saying we where not winning the middle .40 + minutes later magee come on and we scored 5 or 6 with out reply he should of been on the pitch 10/15 into the first half
Quotekerry were up to more shit in todays game than dublin were
well, you would say that, being from Tyrone and all. It probably sickens your hole to see us win
Who cares...we took the hill :D :D ye'll never live this one down!!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 26, 2007, 10:27:34 PM
Who cares...we took the hill :D :D ye'll never live this one down!!
Took is a bit much their was about 12 of ye ;D
But fair play to the Kerry lads who where on the hill today , like Armagh and Tyrone who where their they have my up most respect and i would like to see more of it .
Quote from: clarshack on August 26, 2007, 10:09:42 PM
kerry were up to more shit in todays game than dublin were.
what game were you watching?
Looks like the junkies on the hill will have to find a new place to shoot up on Sunday's untill next year.
the same one you were. what about the play acting & the time wasting especially near the end and yous have the cheek to continually have a go at tyrone. they talk about this cute kerry hoor - hope cork puts him in his place.
The ball was in play it wasn't time wasting.
Quote from: clarshack on August 26, 2007, 10:41:36 PM
the same one you were. what about the play acting & the time wasting especially near the end and yous have the cheek to continually have a go at tyrone. they talk about this cute kerry hoor - hope cork puts him in his place.
What the hell are you on about give us examples? I was at the game and have only seen the highlights so maybe I missed something .
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 26, 2007, 10:42:39 PM
The ball was in play it wasn't time wasting.
as good as. if tyrone did it we'd never hear the end of it. also you'd think darren o'sullivan was taken out by a sniper the way he went down at the end. one rule for kerry another rule for the rest of ireland.
Well done Kerry, but I'm not afraid to admit I'm sick!
We had them and we fooked it away.
Kerry hit us harder than anyone has since Armagh. I'm not complaning - a good team hits as hard as a ref lets them. (Well I'll only complain in that Galvin should definitely have been sent off. I don't remember ever seeing a more dirty forward player in gaelic football!) Marc O'Se must have hit a dozen Dubs. Super performance from him. And Tomas was probably better. Dublin werent hard enough or dirty enough to deal with Kerry.
Whelan was super for the Dubs. Kept us going when so many let their heads go down. Ryan gave him fook all support. Especially in the crucial periods when Kerry were on top. Cullen was great too. After the 1-3 in the second half, Cullen and Whelan were the men, on their own, who very nearly dragged the Dubs back into it.
Still, after everything, Kerry were there for the beating. I can't believe we made Kerry play as badly as we did but still couldnt beat them. But we made too many mistakes. Beggars belief that Caffrey brought Cosgrove on for Sherlock. Cossie got about 6 possessions, none of which led to scores. Sherlock would have done so much better had he been left on and let play as half forward.
Ive said many times before, Caffrey is a good man to prepare a team, but once the game starts he's clean fookin useless. I thought he might learn as he goes along, but I was wrong. I'm glad he's gone now. 3 Leinsters. Something for the players at least, but Pillar should throw his in the bin - you're a failure Pillar - harsh but true. Pillar, you are the single biggest rreason why we've lost two AI SFs in a row.
My heart goes out to Whelo, and I pray that Val Andrews, or whoever it is we get as our new manager, can persuade him to give it another go. With him, we'd have a decent chance next year. Without him we've no chance. But listen, Dublin GAA has never looked after Whelan (certainly not the way other top counties look after their better players). He's had to move out as far as Westmeath to find an affordable house, and its so tough to expect a bloke with a young family to travel that distance day in day out. I'm so sorry the Dublin team in recent years wasnt good enough to make full use of the abilities of both Whelan and Sherlock.
Good luck to both Cork and Kerry next time out. I hope the best football team on the day wins.
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 26, 2007, 10:41:30 PM
Looks like the junkies on the hill will have to find a new place to shoot up on Sunday's untill next year.
Looks like the idiots like your self will have to find someone else to talk shite about till next year ::)
hayes is a F***** gimp
Quote from: johnpower on August 26, 2007, 10:44:57 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 26, 2007, 10:41:36 PM
the same one you were. what about the play acting & the time wasting especially near the end and yous have the cheek to continually have a go at tyrone. they talk about this cute kerry hoor - hope cork puts him in his place.
What the hell are you on about give us examples? I was at the game and have only seen the highlights so maybe I missed something .
Don't want to get into the whining, but you did ask!
Each of Donaghy, Gooch and sub O'Sullivan lay down as if dead, when nothing wrong with them, in the last 5 minutes.
Donaghy was the worst. Don't mind the fairy boys * at it so much. The likes of Tomas and Marc must be clean embarrsed to see a big man like him at that shít. I thought he played very well. He's so mobile for such a big man. Why he partakes in faking injury is beyond me.
* generic back's term for fancy footballing forwards
God help us all when so many mistake Hayes for a Dub.
Not that I dont wish he wasnt......... :-\
Hardy, jinxy etc, what do you think of Hayes as a journo?
While others try to be controversial they start with some basis in reality, Hayes just spouts off. Hayes gets paid for this drivel, and to think that so many with drivel writing talents waste them in this forum.
No I think I could talk shite about this sweet victory and take delight in the Dublin knackers elimination for a while yet.
Now I'm pointing at the metaphorical scoreboard, waving my arms in the air and shouting WOOHOOOO!!! WOOHOOOO!!!
Quote from: Hound on August 26, 2007, 10:52:48 PM
Quote from: johnpower on August 26, 2007, 10:44:57 PM
Quote from: clarshack on August 26, 2007, 10:41:36 PM
the same one you were. what about the play acting & the time wasting especially near the end and yous have the cheek to continually have a go at tyrone. they talk about this cute kerry hoor - hope cork puts him in his place.
What the hell are you on about give us examples? I was at the game and have only seen the highlights so maybe I missed something .
Don't want to get into the whining, but you did ask!
Each of Donaghy, Gooch and sub O'Sullivan lay down as if dead, when nothing wrong with them, in the last 5 minutes.
Just seen the Sunday game . Great performances on both sides , What was Cluxton at ?. It was a bad mistake at a critcal time in the match . Also Rambo Cullen he starts the verbals then gets taken for 1-3 .
Donaghy was the worst. Don't mind the fairy boys at it so much. The likes of Tomas and Marc must be clean embarrsed to see a big man like him at that shít. I thought he played very well. He's so mobile for such a big man. Why he partakes in faking injury is beyond me.
Quote from: clarshack on August 26, 2007, 10:09:42 PM
kerry were up to more shit in todays game than dublin were.
Ya what? :o
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 26, 2007, 11:03:37 PM
No I think I could talk shite about this sweet victory and take delight in the Dublin knackers elimination for a while yet.
Now I'm pointing at the metaphorical scoreboard, waving my arms in the air and shouting WOOHOOOO!!! WOOHOOOO!!!
30 lads who give it all for 9/10 months are year . Who rather that punching their appoints they done their talking on the scoreboard and point thusly to show that .
Disrespect Dublin fans if you must must but don't be a total p***k and disrespect the 30 lads who give it all for Dublin and for the GAA for so long in their life time .They give no less than any other intercounty player and your disrespect and that of others makes me sick
Found a photo of Gnevin on the Hill today
(http://www.hoganstand.com/entry/images/comeonyeboys.jpg)
From Hound "Whelan was super for the Dubs. Kept us going when so many let their heads go down. Ryan gave him fook all support."
I'd have to disagree with that statement. I thought Ryan was superb for Dubln , for me Whelan went missing for most of the second half. Ryan, the water carrier, was the man who did most to carry the fight to Kerry
Better team won. Kerry got their scores a lot easier and had a pattern of play and seemed to know what they were about. I got the impression Dublin were playing a bit more off the cuff. The Dublin forwards were very poor, apart from Alan Brogan. They really struggled to get away from their markers. Kerry were able to change things around when Donaghy wasn't getting much joy at full forward. He came out the pitch and did a lot more damage. Kerry were also the much more streetwise of the two. They stopped Dublin's half back line from getting forward - mostly through systematic fouling right up to the half way line. Kerry were quite happy to concede frees and get into position again, slowing Dublin's momentum way down. In contrast, Dublin were very niaive - they let the Kerry backs and half backs come out with the ball and the likes of Thomas O'Se to make too many runs up the wing. The big example of this was O'Se's run that led to the first Kerry score. Kerry had the better game plan, and forwards to carry it out, but they were just too streetwise for Dublin. This Dublin team have been around since 2002 so inexperience shouldn't be used as an excuse. They should have played a much smarter game against Kerry. To beat Kerry you have to have a plan, close them down, foul, do whatever it takes. They will do it to you. Monaghan knew this and nearly caught Kerry. But like Dublin today they didn't have the forwards to get the victory.
Can't see where Dublin can go from here. They've hit the ceiling with the current panel and management. Their best hope of an AI in the next couple of years is to get a top class manager and 1 or 2 more top class forwards to take the pressure off Alan Brogan. Easier said than done.
Quote from: ziggysego on August 26, 2007, 11:25:38 PM
Found a photo of Gnevin on the Hill today
(http://www.hoganstand.com/entry/images/comeonyeboys.jpg)
To be honest i can see myself ending up like that .
I'm heart broken tonight and will be for a good while.
I know their is a lot of shit with certain Dublin fans but id like to think that people on this board would be big enough to give credit where credit dues which i know is pretty much just a dream.
QuoteDon't mind the fairy boys at it so much.
Watch it hound...you'll only get away with so many of those unecessary insults before provoking a response.
Quote from: Midman on August 26, 2007, 11:26:22 PM
From Hound "Whelan was super for the Dubs. Kept us going when so many let their heads go down. Ryan gave him fook all support."
I'd have to disagree with that statement. I thought Ryan was superb for Dubln , for me Whelan went missing for most of the second half. Ryan, the water carrier, was the man who did most to carry the fight to Kerry
You're totally wrong, and I find it an absolute bizarre opinion. Ryan picked up a few breaking ball, but didnt catch one contested ball, while whelo caught a lot. And Ryan totally gave up for a while in the second half, and only started going again when Whelo and Cullen dragged us back. Whelan never gave up, and gave his absolute all for 70 minutes. Ryan didnt have one of his best games today, left Whelan with far too much to do on his own. I wouldnt have expected Shane to let his head go down after Kerry got the 1-3, but he did.
Their showed great footballing skills in the second half Gnevin, and showed great character coming back from 6 pts down. It's just the attitude of the players that gets some people.
But credit where credit is true, when the school-kid stuff was put to one-side (eventually) in today's game, they played some craicing stuff. Dublin give it their all, until there was no more left in the tan. But Kerry being Kerry, they have that little extra stored away for when they need it.
QuoteBut listen, Dublin GAA has never looked after Whelan (certainly not the way other top counties look after their better players). He's had to move out as far as Westmeath to find an affordable house,
So is your point that Dublin County board should have bought Ciaran Whelan a house, or assisted him in doing so?
Quote from: Armamike on August 26, 2007, 11:26:31 PM
Better team won. Kerry got their scores a lot easier and had a pattern of play and seemed to know what they were about. I got the impression Dublin were playing a bit more off the cuff. The Dublin forwards were very poor, apart from Alan Brogan. They really struggled to get away from their markers. Kerry were able to change things around when Donaghy wasn't getting much joy at full forward. He came out the pitch and did a lot more damage. Kerry were also the much more streetwise of the two. They stopped Dublin's half back line from getting forward - mostly through systematic fouling right up to the half way line. Kerry were quite happy to concede frees and get into position again, slowing Dublin's momentum way down. In contrast, Dublin were very niaive - they let the Kerry backs and half backs come out with the ball and the likes of Thomas O'Se to make too many runs up the wing. The big example of this was O'Se's run that led to the first Kerry score. Kerry had the better game plan, and forwards to carry it out, but they were just too streetwise for Dublin. This Dublin team have been around since 2002 so inexperience shouldn't be used as an excuse. They should have played a much smarter game against Kerry. To beat Kerry you have to have a plan, close them down, foul, do whatever it takes. They will do it to you. Monaghan knew this and nearly caught Kerry. But like Dublin today they didn't have the forwards to get the victory.
Can't see where Dublin can go from here. They've hit the ceiling with the current panel and management. Their best hope of an AI in the next couple of years is to get a top class manager and 1 or 2 more top class forwards to take the pressure off Alan Brogan. Easier said than done.
IMO, thats an excellent analysis. Can't disagree with a single word.
Marc O'Se did a super job on Brogie. Very tough. Kerry were more "streetwise", systematically fouled Dublin to prevent our counter attacks, and were excellent in their support play. Some engine on Tomas, and he can play!
As for Mike, he'll be defending the diving next, but I'll leave it to the Tyrone lads to laugh at him.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 26, 2007, 11:22:41 PM
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 26, 2007, 11:03:37 PM
No I think I could talk shite about this sweet victory and take delight in the Dublin knackers elimination for a while yet.
Now I'm pointing at the metaphorical scoreboard, waving my arms in the air and shouting WOOHOOOO!!! WOOHOOOO!!!
30 lads who give it all for 9/10 months are year . Who rather that punching their appoints they done their talking on the scoreboard and point thusly to show that .
Disrespect Dublin fans if you must must but don't be a total p***k and disrespect the 30 lads who give it all for Dublin and for the GAA for so long in their life time .They give no less than any other intercounty player and your disrespect and that of others makes me sick
Gnevin I would be more sympathetic to the Dubs players if they hadnt have acted like knackers when taunting kerry, they have done it all year long and I am delighted they are out because they needed to learn some manners and kerry put some on them the day despite bannon's best efforts.
hell slap it up every one of the hoors that were taunting, who are they gonna taunt now???? :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 26, 2007, 11:34:47 PM
QuoteBut listen, Dublin GAA has never looked after Whelan (certainly not the way other top counties look after their better players). He's had to move out as far as Westmeath to find an affordable house,
So is your point that Dublin County board should have bought Ciaran Whelan a house, or assisted him in doing so?
No, I just think he should move to Tyrone ;)
Quote from: ziggysego on August 26, 2007, 11:33:40 PM
Their showed great footballing skills in the second half Gnevin, and showed great character coming back from 6 pts down. It's just the attitude of the players that gets some people.
But credit where credit is true, when the school-kid stuff was put to one-side (eventually) in today's game, they played some craicing stuff. Dublin give it their all, until there was no more left in the tan. But Kerry being Kerry, they have that little extra stored away for when they need it.
To be honest i don't see any attitude , the Dubs did the right thing by not punching the Laois lads and get nothing but abuse .Dublin get abuse for walking to the hill . They get abuse for standing in a line and what's forgotten in all this is they are just 30 lads out their trying their best to win an All-Ireland and unlike Kerry they aren't born into a team that will win it every couple of years , what they have is a team that breaks their balls trying their most and every little thing that can help is used .
Call me and Dublin fans scum bags , a kn**ker, a coke head whatever you want but give the lads the respect they deserve.
QuoteEach of Donaghy, Gooch and sub O'Sullivan lay down as if dead, when nothing wrong with them, in the last 5 minutes.
I can only excuse your comment based on the fact you haven't seen the incidents on TV. O'Sullivan nearly had his head taken off by Whelan - i suppose it was cos O'Sullivan is so small, just like McGarrity last year in the semi final ::)
Gooch was flung into the ground (the actual follow through by the Dublin player wasn't too serious) and whacked his head off it as he landed.
As for Donaghy, i am not sure what incident you are referring to - when he went down with cramp ?? Seems reasonable given the amount of ground he covered comapred to what he would normally cover playing at full forward. And if it was play acting to delay time, then it would be fairly similar to what Dublin done after about 5-10 minutes and again 10 minutes into second half.
BTW, are you actually Ciaran Whelan in disguise. He caught 2 balls in the second half - that was it, nothing more. I thought Ryan was far more effective. Darren Magees catch and surge forward was more impressive than anything Whelan done (oh, and who took the pass at the end of Magees surge ?)
Wow, what a bizarre thread. Mike and Gnevin the only posters making any sense...
Quote from: Gnevin on August 26, 2007, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 26, 2007, 11:33:40 PM
Their showed great footballing skills in the second half Gnevin, and showed great character coming back from 6 pts down. It's just the attitude of the players that gets some people.
But credit where credit is true, when the school-kid stuff was put to one-side (eventually) in today's game, they played some craicing stuff. Dublin give it their all, until there was no more left in the tan. But Kerry being Kerry, they have that little extra stored away for when they need it.
To be honest i don't see any attitude , the Dubs did the right thing by not punching the Laois lads and getting nothing but abuse .Dublin get abuse for walking to the hill . They get abuse for standing in a line and what's forgotten in all this is they are just 30 lads out their trying their best to win an All-Ireland and unlike Kerry they aren't born into a team that will win it every couple of years , what they have is a team that breaks their balls trying their most and every little thing that can help is used .
Answer me . What was Cullen at when Declan o Sullivan missed that chance . ?.Cullen kicked some good scores today but he did not do the Job he was supposed to do and mark his man . I have not seen the full match so I wont comment on some of the other "School Kid " stuff . By the way I have the utmost respect for the Dubs supporters .
Call me and Dublin fans scum bags , a kn**ker, a coke head whatever you what but give the lads the respect they deserve.
Quote from: blast05 on August 26, 2007, 11:45:12 PM
QuoteEach of Donaghy, Gooch and sub O'Sullivan lay down as if dead, when nothing wrong with them, in the last 5 minutes.
I can only excuse your comment based on the fact you haven't seen the incidents on TV. O'Sullivan nearly had his head taken off by Whelan - i suppose it was cos O'Sullivan is so small, just like McGarrity last year in the semi final ::)
Gooch was flung into the ground (the actual follow through by the Dublin player wasn't too serious) and whacked his head off it as he landed.
As for Donaghy, i am not sure what incident you are referring to - when he went down with cramp ?? Seems reasonable given the amount of ground he covered comapred to what he would normally cover playing at full forward. And if it was play acting to delay time, then it would be fairly similar to what Dublin done after about 5-10 minutes and again 10 minutes into second half.
BTW, are you actually Ciaran Whelan in disguise. He caught 2 balls in the second half - that was it, nothing more. I thought Ryan was far more effective. Darren Magees catch and surge forward was more impressive than anything Whelan done (oh, and who took the pass at the end of Magees surge ?)
Donaghy was shouldered by Casey on the sideline. Was a foul because it was late, but was shoulder to shoulder and he wasnt in the slightest bit hurt but lay down as if dead.
Whelan caught O'S across the chest right at the death. Look at the tape again. But it wasnt that incident I was talking about anyway - but it doesnt matter - forget about Gooch and O'S, I dont mind those two lying around so much.
Saying Whelan caught only 2 balls in the second half is total and utter bullshít. But Mayo lads are good at "Lets Pretend".
Who took the pass? Ray Cosgrove, and blasted his shot at goal about 10 yards wide.
Anyone who thinks either Shane Ryan or Darren Magee are better midfielders than Ciaran Whelan know fook all about GAA. But line-up by all means.
Quote from: johnpower on August 26, 2007, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 26, 2007, 11:43:43 PM
Quote from: ziggysego on August 26, 2007, 11:33:40 PM
Their showed great footballing skills in the second half Gnevin, and showed great character coming back from 6 pts down. It's just the attitude of the players that gets some people.
But credit where credit is true, when the school-kid stuff was put to one-side (eventually) in today's game, they played some craicing stuff. Dublin give it their all, until there was no more left in the tan. But Kerry being Kerry, they have that little extra stored away for when they need it.
To be honest i don't see any attitude , the Dubs did the right thing by not punching the Laois lads and getting nothing but abuse .Dublin get abuse for walking to the hill . They get abuse for standing in a line and what's forgotten in all this is they are just 30 lads out their trying their best to win an All-Ireland and unlike Kerry they aren't born into a team that will win it every couple of years , what they have is a team that breaks their balls trying their most and every little thing that can help is used .
Answer me . What was Cullen at when Declan o Sullivan missed that chance . ?.Cullen kicked some good scores today but he did not do the Job he was supposed to do and mark his man . I have not seen the full match so I wont comment on some of the other "School Kid " stuff . By the way I have the utmost respect for the Dubs supporters .
Call me and Dublin fans scum bags , a kn**ker, a coke head whatever you what but give the lads the respect they deserve.
I assume the board fucked up here and you where going to say something not just post a quote?
Quote from: Gnevin on August 26, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 26, 2007, 10:27:34 PM
Who cares...we took the hill :D :D ye'll never live this one down!!
Took is a bit much their was about 12 of ye ;D
Only 12 Kerry fans were needed to take the Hill?
QuoteAs for Mike, he'll be defending the diving next, but I'll leave it to the Tyrone lads to laugh at him
The only one being laughed at here is you. Anyone who can come on here and call gooch and Darren O'Sullivan "fairy boys" when his own team is populated by lightweights like Vaughan and brogan who were easily bossed by the Kerry boys must be deluded.
so, here's a lemon all for yourself...have a good suck on it
(http://sp1.mm-a7.yimg.com/image/3844698608)
Missed the point there Mike. But well done.
QuoteHayes gets paid for this drivel, and to think that so many with drivel writing talents waste them in this forum.
:D :D :D
Myself and the brother were at the match, we were in agreement Jeez the Hill was awesome. We have been at at lot of different sports over the years, and we are from Armagh, we had to agree that the Hill was briiliiant. Fair play to the Kerry ones there and even better to the Dubs who let them get on with it.
QuoteAnyone who thinks either Shane Ryan or Darren Magee are better midfielders than Ciaran Whelan know fook all about GAA. But line-up by all means.
I never said that. Give me Whelan any day. He is more often than not the catalyst behind any Dublin surge. However, i think on the balance, Ryan was more effective today and Whelan was no where to be seen for long periods. Just an opinion, no agenda. Me being from Mayo has nothing to do with anything on this matter, its not as if we have an inferiority complex with regard Dublin (sorry, couldn't resist seeing as you brought Mayo into this :P )
And ok yes, i got Magees surge mixed up with the time Ryan was fouled by Donaghy. And as for Donaghy lieing down as if dead - well he was lieing down off the playing area and thus the game shouldn't have been stopped.
QuoteShane Ryan or Darren Magee are better midfielders than Ciaran Whelan know fook all about GAA
Its lads like you have this completely irrational belief in Ciaran Whelan that know fook all about football. Same thing over in reservoirdubs, they think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread..sweet jesus. He was only mediocre today. The best people to ask about Ciaran Whelans performance are the Kerry fans becasue your opponents always know which of your players have done the most damage as we are the ones that will be screaming at the TV telling our players to close him down. I hardly noticed Whelan was in the game till griffen went off and Dara O'Se came back on. He won a few balls then but thats hardly something to shout about given Dara was on one leg.
I dont have anything against Whelan. He gets a bad rap but it beggars belief how much you lads are blind to his true performances,
Quote from: blast05 on August 27, 2007, 12:13:23 AM
QuoteAnyone who thinks either Shane Ryan or Darren Magee are better midfielders than Ciaran Whelan know fook all about GAA. But line-up by all means.
I never said that. Give me Whelan any day. He is more often than not the catalyst behind any Dublin surge. However, i think on the balance, Ryan was more effective today and Whelan was no where to be seen for long periods. Just an opinion, no agenda. Me being from Mayo has nothing to do with anything on this matter, its not as if we have an inferiority complex with regard Dublin (sorry, couldn't resist seeing as you brought Mayo into this :P )
And ok yes, i got Magees surge mixed up with the time Ryan was fouled by Donaghy. And as for Donaghy lieing down as if dead - well he was lieing down off the playing area and thus the game shouldn't have been stopped.
Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, you're not the only one who thought whelan wasnt good. But I can't fathom it.
You clearly would have been a better ref than Bannon!
QuoteMissed the point there Mike
Story of your day eh ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 27, 2007, 12:14:07 AM
QuoteShane Ryan or Darren Magee are better midfielders than Ciaran Whelan know fook all about GAA
Its lads like you have this completely irrational belief in Ciaran Whelan that know fook all about football. Same thing over in reservoirdubs, they think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread..sweet jesus. He was only mediocre today. The best people to ask about Ciaran Whelans performance are the Kerry fans becasue your opponents always know which of your players have done the most damage as we are the ones that will be screaming at the TV telling our players to close him down. I hardly noticed Whelan was in the game till griffen went off and Dara O'Se came back on. He won a few balls then but thats hardly something to shout about given Dara was on one leg.
I dont have anything against Whelan. He gets a bad rap but it beggars belief how much you lads are blind to his true performances,
I have to agee with ya Mike in my opinion the game was won and lose and won n middle field, Kerry won it in the first 50 odd and Dublin lost it then. The damage was done in the first 50 , Mcgee came on and won the the midfield battle for Dublin in the last 20 but 6 points was just to much to over turn
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 27, 2007, 12:16:56 AM
QuoteMissed the point there Mike
Story of your day eh ?
FFS. Talking through yer hole now Mike. Did you actually go to the game? Go to bed. Good night and good luck.
Don't mind them Gnevin, Dublin didn't leave much on the field today.
All the ball breaking is only to take their minds off Cork, the fear is obvious,
Had Vaughn(sp) showed up at all it could have been a very different game.
Next year man...............
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:20:16 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 27, 2007, 12:14:07 AM
QuoteShane Ryan or Darren Magee are better midfielders than Ciaran Whelan know fook all about GAA
Its lads like you have this completely irrational belief in Ciaran Whelan that know fook all about football. Same thing over in reservoirdubs, they think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread..sweet jesus. He was only mediocre today. The best people to ask about Ciaran Whelans performance are the Kerry fans becasue your opponents always know which of your players have done the most damage as we are the ones that will be screaming at the TV telling our players to close him down. I hardly noticed Whelan was in the game till griffen went off and Dara O'Se came back on. He won a few balls then but thats hardly something to shout about given Dara was on one leg.
I dont have anything against Whelan. He gets a bad rap but it beggars belief how much you lads are blind to his true performances,
I have to agee with ya Mike in my opinion the game was won and lose and won n middle field, Kerry won it in the first 50 odd and Dublin lost it then. The damage was done in the first 50 , Mcgee came on and won the the midfield battle for Dublin in the last 20 but 6 points was just to much to over turn
And the reason for that was Whelan was on his own.
Darren needs to get an injection of energy to make him a half decent player. And some ability when on the ball would be good too. We'll be depending on him next year. God help us.
Quote from: Hound on August 27, 2007, 12:25:41 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:20:16 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 27, 2007, 12:14:07 AM
QuoteShane Ryan or Darren Magee are better midfielders than Ciaran Whelan know fook all about GAA
Its lads like you have this completely irrational belief in Ciaran Whelan that know fook all about football. Same thing over in reservoirdubs, they think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread..sweet jesus. He was only mediocre today. The best people to ask about Ciaran Whelans performance are the Kerry fans becasue your opponents always know which of your players have done the most damage as we are the ones that will be screaming at the TV telling our players to close him down. I hardly noticed Whelan was in the game till griffen went off and Dara O'Se came back on. He won a few balls then but thats hardly something to shout about given Dara was on one leg.
I dont have anything against Whelan. He gets a bad rap but it beggars belief how much you lads are blind to his true performances,
True enought but if i was making the hard calls i would of had useless moran off the pitch and 3 men in the middle by the 10th /15 th minute
QuoteDon't mind them Gnevin, Dublin didn't leave much on the field today.
All the ball breaking is only to take their minds off Cork, the fear is obvious,
Had Vaughn(sp) showed up at all it could have been a very different game.
Next year man...............
yeah, we are really afraid...<yawn>..change the record Tyrones own
Have to say I spent a good proportion of the game today thinking to myself "where's Ciaran Whelan?" At least Shane Ryan was involved in play throughout and put himself about. I hardly even noticed Whelan was playing until he decided to catch a couple of balls in the last 10/15 minutes. Not saying that Ryan is a better midfielder but he was a lot better on the day. Even MaGee came on and and in the limited time he had caught a couple of balls and nearly set up a goal which is more than Whelan did.
Congratulations to Kerry on your victory. But could we cut out the "had to beat 16 men today" nonsense?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2007, 06:57:26 PM
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 26, 2007, 06:33:53 PM
Probably Cluxton's only mistake, but what a f**king clanger; game over for Dublin.
It was showboating...And only a Dub would do that when their losing
:D Only da jacks, only da fecking jacks!
Thought Cluxton made a massive error but in fairness he has kept Dublin in a lot of games too..Think a draw would have been the fairest result...
QuoteHad Vaughn(sp) showed up at all it could have been a very different game.
What exactly were you expecting Vaughan to do "had he showed up".
All year Vaughan has offered little from play but has been an exceptionally brilliant freetaker. Now he missed 1 today but I really don't think he was the difference between Dublin winning and losing.
Quote from: Hound on August 26, 2007, 10:55:33 PM
God help us all when so many mistake Hayes for a Dub.
Not that I dont wish he wasnt......... :-\
Hardy, jinxy etc, what do you think of Hayes as a journo?
Hound - I'm still trying to work out "not that I dont wish he wasnt". ??? :D
I think Hayes is the journalism/sporting equivalent of the famous writer/surgeon Oliver St. John Gogarty. In the medical world he was a good writer; in the literary world he was a good doctor.
I've seldom come across anybody who can be wrong so often and still continue to get paid for his opinion.
Midfield is where Dublin could of won or lose the game. And midfield is piller lost the game
Megee should of been of by the 15th and for sure by half time .
QuoteFFS. Talking through yer hole now Mike. Did you actually go to the game? Go to bed. Good night and good luck.
You should listen to Gnevin Hound and stop talking through your own hole.
I seriously sont know what game you were watching. Maybe everytime Whelan gets a ball it it counts and 2 or 3 balls won by other players ..I dunno how you lads think..its irrational anyway, whatever the thought process is.
What I do know is that Ryan and Magee were giving us much much more "shit, we are losing midfield" moments in the game than Whelan. I'm not trying to knock Whelan, I have a lot of sympathy for him because he takes a lot of abuse but he just didnt do it today as far as I am concerned.
Maybe if you took more time to analyze the game instead of taking "fairy boy" cheap shots at players O'Sullivan and Gooch you might see that.
Just back from pub so im a little full..But i think Dublin deserved a draw today.The taunting comments are a little OTT as it wasn't as bad as the Laois game but yes i think Dublin should stop it as it is turning everyone against them.There is no place for it in Gaa IMHO and they done themselves no favours today
Thought Vaughan was bad today,and i think Pillar fucked up by bringing on the likes of Cosgrove and leaving Quinn on the bench
Im sure its the end for Sherlock,Cosgrove and maybe a few others?
QuoteI hardly even noticed Whelan was playing until he decided to catch a couple of balls in the last 10/15 minutes.
Agreed, and a few of those "inspirational" balls were won when Griffen went off and a "one legged" Dara came back on.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
Just back from pub so im a little full..But i think Dublin deserved a draw today.The taunting comments are a little OTT as it wasn't as bad as the Laois game but yes i think Dublin should stop it as it is turning everyone against them.There is no place for it in Gaa IMHO and they done themselves no favours today
Thought Vaughan was bad today,and i think Pillar fucked up by bringing on the likes of Cosgrove and leaving Quinn on the bench
Im sure its the end for Sherlock,Cosgrove and maybe a few others?
Pray do tell what tautiing you are talking about
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:45:48 AM
Midfield is where Dublin could of won or lose the game. And midfield is piller lost the game
Megee should of been of by the 15th and for sure by half time .
Do you think bringing on Cosgrove was a mistake? I was nearly expecting Vinny Murphy and Charlie Redmond to be brought on.
Surely there are better players in Dublin than resorting to bringing on Cosgrove and having Sherlock playing
Couldn't believe Quinn wasn't brought on till the last minute
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:52:29 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
Just back from pub so im a little full..But i think Dublin deserved a draw today.The taunting comments are a little OTT as it wasn't as bad as the Laois game but yes i think Dublin should stop it as it is turning everyone against them.There is no place for it in Gaa IMHO and they done themselves no favours today
Thought Vaughan was bad today,and i think Pillar fucked up by bringing on the likes of Cosgrove and leaving Quinn on the bench
Im sure its the end for Sherlock,Cosgrove and maybe a few others?
Pray do tell what tautiing you are talking about
The taunting that there has been about 100 posts about if you read all the the threads
Fair play to Laois Lad for some very even handed comments on the game. Given recent history between Dublin and Laois, it would have been easy for you to turn the knife.
Congrats on being an uncle too. It's the best: you get to play with the young 'un till you're tired, and then you hand him/her back to the parents.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:54:24 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:45:48 AM
Midfield is where Dublin could of won or lose the game. And midfield is piller lost the game
Megee should of been of by the 15th and for sure by half time .
Do you think bringing on Cosgrove was a mistake? I was nearly expecting Vinny Murphy and Charlie Redmond to be brought on.
Surely there are better players in Dublin than resorting to bringing on Cosgrove and having Sherlock playing
Couldn't believe Quinn wasn't brought on till the last minute
I think Bonner had more match practice and bring on Cossi was a mistake as he was barely seen in the league of the championship. But the main problem with Dublin now is not the team i think we matched Kerry in the forwards and the back . We only lost in the middle . Dublins main problem in the sideline the changes are too slow and quite often are not the right changes
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 26, 2007, 08:40:48 PM
Just back from match...I have to honestly say i think the Dubs deserved a draw.Thought they were great in the last 20mins
What the f**k was Cluxton at though the stupid fool..Also why did Pillar bring on Ray Cosgrove and not bring in Mossy Quinn until the 68thmin?
Haven't time to write more as my brother just rang me on way home from Croker to tell me i have become an Uncle for the first time..My new little niece was born at 7.25pm ;D ;D ;D
So it's off to the pub with me!!!!
Congrats LL,Would i be right in saying this is a little Dub baby?
Bringing on Cossie was definitely a mistake. He was terrific at one time, but it seems that his best days are behind him.
On the other hand, the Magee for Brogan substitution was good. Brogan was quiet enough in the second half, and once Magee came on, the Dublin comeback started.
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:52:29 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
Just back from pub so im a little full..But i think Dublin deserved a draw today.The taunting comments are a little OTT as it wasn't as bad as the Laois game but yes i think Dublin should stop it as it is turning everyone against them.There is no place for it in Gaa IMHO and they done themselves no favours today
Thought Vaughan was bad today,and i think Pillar fucked up by bringing on the likes of Cosgrove and leaving Quinn on the bench
Im sure its the end for Sherlock,Cosgrove and maybe a few others?
Pray do tell what tautiing you are talking about
The taunting that there has been about 100 posts about if you read all the the threads
Are you talking about the Leinster final again ? If so i've already discussed that
I didn't see anything in today game , so if their was tell me me and i might remember or will be on the look out for tomorrows whe i re watch it
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 27, 2007, 12:59:25 AM
Bringing on Cossie was definitely a mistake. He was terrific at one time, but it seems that his best days are behind him.
On the other hand, the Magee for Brogan substitution was good. Brogan was quiet enough in the second half, and once Magee came on, the Dublin comeback started.
Brogan should of stayed on the pitch , Moran did nothng all game and should of been called a shore mid way in the 1st half
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 01:01:30 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:52:29 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
Just back from pub so im a little full..But i think Dublin deserved a draw today.The taunting comments are a little OTT as it wasn't as bad as the Laois game but yes i think Dublin should stop it as it is turning everyone against them.There is no place for it in Gaa IMHO and they done themselves no favours today
Thought Vaughan was bad today,and i think Pillar fucked up by bringing on the likes of Cosgrove and leaving Quinn on the bench
Im sure its the end for Sherlock,Cosgrove and maybe a few others?
Pray do tell what tautiing you are talking about
The taunting that there has been about 100 posts about if you read all the the threads
Are you talking about the Leinster final again ? If so i've already discussed that
I didn't see anything in today game , so if their was tell me me and i might remember or will be on the look out for tomorrows whe i re watch it
There was a bit Gnevin from Casey and Sherlock...The commentators even picked up on it,I saw match tonight in pub and there defo was some.But too be honest their was some from both sides
Look i really don't wanna get into all that again because you and I are never gonna agree on it.It happened today and im not the only one that saw it most of the posters here have commented on it if you have the time to read all the posts you'll see that
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 01:05:55 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 01:01:30 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:52:29 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
Just back from pub so im a little full..But i think Dublin deserved a draw today.The taunting comments are a little OTT as it wasn't as bad as the Laois game but yes i think Dublin should stop it as it is turning everyone against them.There is no place for it in Gaa IMHO and they done themselves no favours today
Thought Vaughan was bad today,and i think Pillar fucked up by bringing on the likes of Cosgrove and leaving Quinn on the bench
Im sure its the end for Sherlock,Cosgrove and maybe a few others?
Pray do tell what tautiing you are talking about
The taunting that there has been about 100 posts about if you read all the the threads
Are you talking about the Leinster final again ? If so i've already discussed that
I didn't see anything in today game , so if their was tell me me and i might remember or will be on the look out for tomorrows whe i re watch it
There was a bit Gnevin from Casey and Sherlock...The commentators even picked up on it,I saw match tonight in pub and there defo was some.But too be honest their was some from both sides
Look i really don't wanna get into all that again because you and I are never gonna agree on it.It happened today and im not the only one that saw it most of the posters here have commented on it if you have the time to read all the posts you'll see that
Can you link me to it ?
Im not denying it happened but i think its the lesser of two evils
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 27, 2007, 12:57:05 AM
Fair play to Laois Lad for some very even handed comments on the game. Given recent history between Dublin and Laois, it would have been easy for you to turn the knife.
Congrats on being an uncle too. It's the best: you get to play with the young 'un till you're tired, and then you hand him/her back to the parents.
I say it as i see it,If i think the Dubs deserved to win or draw i'll say it and the same if i thought they were shite..
They deserved to draw today in my opinion
Thanks for the Congrats too im over the moon
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 01:07:36 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 01:05:55 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 01:01:30 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:52:29 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
Just back from pub so im a little full..But i think Dublin deserved a draw today.The taunting comments are a little OTT as it wasn't as bad as the Laois game but yes i think Dublin should stop it as it is turning everyone against them.There is no place for it in Gaa IMHO and they done themselves no favours today
Thought Vaughan was bad today,and i think Pillar fucked up by bringing on the likes of Cosgrove and leaving Quinn on the bench
Im sure its the end for Sherlock,Cosgrove and maybe a few others?
Pray do tell what tautiing you are talking about
The taunting that there has been about 100 posts about if you read all the the threads
Are you talking about the Leinster final again ? If so i've already discussed that
I didn't see anything in today game , so if their was tell me me and i might remember or will be on the look out for tomorrows whe i re watch it
There was a bit Gnevin from Casey and Sherlock...The commentators even picked up on it,I saw match tonight in pub and there defo was some.But too be honest their was some from both sides
Look i really don't wanna get into all that again because you and I are never gonna agree on it.It happened today and im not the only one that saw it most of the posters here have commented on it if you have the time to read all the posts you'll see that
Can you link me to it ?
Im not denying it happened but i think its the lesser of two evils
If you read the latest scores thread and a few that were started after the match and go back a few pages on this thread you'll see the comments.I haven't made any but i did see it happen and im not the only one
Since no has disagreed i assume next may/june i wont have to listen to how other counties aren't being given hill tickets ?
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 01:12:51 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 01:07:36 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 01:05:55 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 01:01:30 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:55:20 AM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 12:52:29 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 27, 2007, 12:49:44 AM
Just back from pub so im a little full..But i think Dublin deserved a draw today.The taunting comments are a little OTT as it wasn't as bad as the Laois game but yes i think Dublin should stop it as it is turning everyone against them.There is no place for it in Gaa IMHO and they done themselves no favours today
Thought Vaughan was bad today,and i think Pillar fucked up by bringing on the likes of Cosgrove and leaving Quinn on the bench
Im sure its the end for Sherlock,Cosgrove and maybe a few others?
Pray do tell what tautiing you are talking about
The taunting that there has been about 100 posts about if you read all the the threads
Are you talking about the Leinster final again ? If so i've already discussed that
I didn't see anything in today game , so if their was tell me me and i might remember or will be on the look out for tomorrows whe i re watch it
There was a bit Gnevin from Casey and Sherlock...The commentators even picked up on it,I saw match tonight in pub and there defo was some.But too be honest their was some from both sides
Look i really don't wanna get into all that again because you and I are never gonna agree on it.It happened today and im not the only one that saw it most of the posters here have commented on it if you have the time to read all the posts you'll see that
Can you link me to it ?
Im not denying it happened but i think its the lesser of two evils
If you read the latest scores thread and a few that were started after the match and go back a few pages on this thread you'll see the comments.I haven't made any but i did see it happen and im not the only one
As i said i'm not denying the post are there just too lazy to look for them myself :D
Quote from: SuperSub on August 27, 2007, 12:58:22 AM
Quote from: The Real Laoislad on August 26, 2007, 08:40:48 PM
Just back from match...I have to honestly say i think the Dubs deserved a draw.Thought they were great in the last 20mins
What the f**k was Cluxton at though the stupid fool..Also why did Pillar bring on Ray Cosgrove and not bring in Mossy Quinn until the 68thmin?
Haven't time to write more as my brother just rang me on way home from Croker to tell me i have become an Uncle for the first time..My new little niece was born at 7.25pm ;D ;D ;D
So it's off to the pub with me!!!!
Congrats LL,Would i be right in saying this is a little Dub baby?
Thanks Supersub..Yeah your right its a Dub baby! Well it's half Durrow,Laois and half Raheeny,Dublin so its not a true dub! Anyways i don't care as long as it arrived safe and healthy
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 27, 2007, 12:33:22 AM
QuoteDon't mind them Gnevin, Dublin didn't leave much on the field today.
All the ball breaking is only to take their minds off Cork, the fear is obvious,
Had Vaughn(sp) showed up at all it could have been a very different game.
Next year man...............
yeah, we are really afraid...<yawn>..change the record Tyrones own
Funny all i could get outta the yerra men today was that they would rather have
lost to Dublin today as Cork
will beat them in the Final, the writing is on the wall Mikey
And you know it.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on August 27, 2007, 12:44:51 AM
QuoteHad Vaughn(sp) showed up at all it could have been a very different game.
What exactly were you expecting Vaughan to do "had he showed up".
All year Vaughan has offered little from play but has been an exceptionally brilliant freetaker. Now he missed 1 today but I really don't think he was the difference between Dublin winning and losing.
To say he offered nothing from play is an understatement, he looked completely out of his depth today.
I agree He played a huge part in Dublin making the semi but today, come on :o
QuoteFunny all i could get outta the yerra men today was that they would rather have
lost to Dublin today as Cork will beat them in the Final, the writing is on the wall Mikey
And you know it.
The only writing on the wall is
Kerry - AI finalists 2007
Tyrone - dumped in the qtr finals
read it and weep...
At least he bothers to mention Moynihan and Gooch as good players along with O'Se in the past 20 years, what about Maurice Fitz??
Yerra FFS, Tis pure football lads :D :D :D
Well done to Kerry. Fully deserved their victory but a great effort from Dublin. Never gave up and kept trying till the end but just not good enough unfortunately. Only forward to play at all was Alan Brogan but the main difference was that when Kerry had periods of dominance they scored heavily but we didn't. We just struggled to convert possession into scores two bad goal misses compared to O'Sullivan's finish and don't know what the hell came over Cluxton. I actually thought Whelan did OK yesterday but Vaughan had a nightmare and should have been called ashore earlier. Anyway thanks to all the lads for giving us a great year again. If Whelan and Jayo call it a day well thanks for the memories pity we couldn't win an AI but we'll keep trying. Having been at the two semis there was no comparison in the two games and the level of intensity yesterday was something else. If Kerry play like that they'll again they'll win.
QuoteOnly forward to play at all was Alan Brogan
What about Keaney? I thought he played well yesterday.
Dublin just didnt have enough depth, I think Ray Cosgrove is a decent player but relying on him to change things...
Whereas Kerry didnt even have to bring on MF Russell!
Just a point too, Why was Griffing left on Cooper? He was left on Bray for the 2 matched aginst Meath too despite being cleaned.
Hayes predicted that Laois would win the All ireland in his preview at the start of the year
QuoteAnd to think we let this clown live in Ros
Where else would you put a clown but in the circus. Ros is Ireland's Big Top.
Quote from: GalwaySham on August 27, 2007, 07:57:20 AM
QuoteOnly forward to play at all was Alan Brogan
Just a point too, Why was Griffing left on Cooper? He was left on Bray for the 2 matched aginst Meath too despite being cleaned.
Nobody else in the subs capable, or worthy of trying according to the actions of the manager?
Kerry have a great bench...makes a huge difference in speed of making changes.
QuoteDo you think bringing on Cosgrove was a mistake?
Ah he was Ok Laoislad. He missed a goal that could have changed the result but at least he was in the zone. He also had a "Joe Reilly" shot. (J.R.S. - One that bounced off the top of the mast and came back to catch out the defence) that would have been a great point.
Vaughen was showing his soccer skills during the break of the minor game down at the Hill. He sent a screamer wide as well.
Quote from: GalwaySham on August 27, 2007, 07:57:20 AM
QuoteOnly forward to play at all was Alan Brogan
Just a point too, Why was Griffing left on Cooper? He was left on Bray for the 2 matched aginst Meath too despite being cleaned.
Did yu think so?
I thought Griff did alright. In the first half, the three 50/50 balls that went in high to them - Griff won them all. And Kerry were clever enough to stop doing it. Gooch got nothing easy, his scores were beauties from long range. He did see a lot of ball in the second half but he never once went by Griffin and he nearly always passed the ball backwards.
Quote from: Hardy on August 27, 2007, 12:45:20 AM
Hound - I'm still trying to work out "not that I dont wish he wasnt". ??? :D
I think Hayes is the journalism/sporting equivalent of the famous writer/surgeon Oliver St. John Gogarty. In the medical world he was a good writer; in the literary world he was a good doctor.
I've seldom come across anybody who can be wrong so often and still continue to get paid for his opinion.
;D ;D
"Defending the indefensible"
He predicted that Cork would beat Meath last week when everyone else was tipping Meath.
Dublin dominated midfield for long sections yesterday.
It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if Mark Vaughans half-chance had hit the top corner early in the game instead of the top row.
Instead of spending 1/4 of an hour reelling in Kerry's early 3 points they might have built up a bigger lead by half time.
Saying that to get your prediction wrong by 9 or ten points is some going.
I was shocked to see Dublin continuing with their tactis of goading the opposition, especially when Kerry missed a score.
It just made me cheer for Kerry in the second half of a game I have no real interest in.
i wanted to cheer for dublin today, i tried to cheer for them today, but god i just couldnt do it, the way some of the team carried on, just turned me to cheer for kerry
Dublin have too much ego and not enough talent, int he end Kerry made it look easy!
the media have a lot do with the enormous egos the dublin team have
glad to see them beaten
Shocking thread, slagging the Dubs for taunting and triumphalism by acting the same yourselves.
Show a bit of class lads.
Fair play to Kerry, the best team on the day won, no questions, and good luck to them in the final.
QuoteWhat about Keaney? I thought he played well yesterday.
I thought Keaney did well too yesterday, and in fact for most of the year.
I think, like many others, the Dubs lost it in the middle yesterday, especially when Kerry were obviously not operating at their best there. It was pretty obvious throughout that Kerry were making better use of their possession. And exactly like in their games against Cork and Monaghan, when the game was close they manufactured points in a very structured and calculated way, drawing defenders toward the ball on the right, and switching the ball quickly onto the left giving their forwards time and space to take (relatively) easy points.
A good show by the Dubs yesterday, they're probably the second best team in the country.
I almost miss the Aryan supremacist bladder about Ulster football. Fadó, fadó ... :P
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on August 26, 2007, 09:48:24 PM
QuoteMagnanimous in victory as ever Michael.
you think he deserves any ?
You'll have to run that one by me again Mike. Do I think whom deserves what? ???
<POINTS TO SCOREBOARD> :D
QuoteHayes is a lakes merchant.
The turf accountants of Ireland are trying to get him banned from writing about football - it's clear to see that the opposite to everything he says is a banker!
Lads whats all this about Kerry "taking the hill" that makes them sound like a soccer "firm" !
I'd prefer some away fans on the hill, makes for better craic, and yesterday we got just that, good craic between fans, brilliant atmosphere, great game, wrong result :(
Congrats to Kerry though, class team.
The tone of a lot of these threads shows the anti-Dublin bias out there.
Congrats to Kerry, deserved winners.
A lot of unsavoury gloating on here towards the Dubs alright, mainly from the guys who gave out about Dublins unsavoury gloating.
Ironic eh.
In fairness to the Kerry lads here, they have proved to be good winners and havent got dragged into this.
Nothing more gut wrenching than losing a semi final - hard luck to the dubs, nobody needs it rubbed in on here. I do think the dubs are closer than most but if they keep Piller they may forget about getting accross the line he dosent have it. I beleiev Joe kernan would win Dublin next years all ireland. I wonder will Piller be stewarding at the final as I would personally find that a very hard thing to do where I in his position. Hard luck and a good intense "Northern style game"
Game of the season ? You're having a laugh !! Why do Dublin players rile and goad the opposition constantly - Declan O'Sullivan gave Cullen and Casey the right answer ! Even Jayo was at it y'day ? Why does Pillar tell them to do this ??? Can any Dub give an explanation / reason for it ?
Cosgrove missed a certain point. Kerry had 2 on the goal line it was far from a certain goal chance.
I would worry about Cluxtons temperament; he was goading from very early on and that mistake finished the game for Dublin they were going to get a draw at that stage, A few years ago When he was sent off againat Armagh the then Dublin manager thought he had lost the game for them also - thats 2 big games on his watch. I would get a less spectacular goalkeeper in. The hype around Cluxton is unreal as well. As for Piller I must confess I like him but theres no doubt that he embraced some of the most cynical unsporting tactics ever brought into Gaelic Football. One final point though, a substantial amount of time was lost by Gooches dive in the second half. He was in mid air when physical contact was made, it was a disgraceful effort up there with his dive in the AIFinal in 2005, He held his head yet there was no contact with his head, I hope the referee cottons onto it for the final, and would suggest that he gets a retrsoepctive ban if video evidence becomes available, knavery of the highest order.
Poor old Liam - he'll have to come up with something different this week about Kerry !
highly entertaining game with fantastic atmosphere in Croke park yesterday.
It was like we were back in roman times at the coliseum and we had brightly clad gladiators on the pitch. The crowd baying for blood/scores added to the day.
Ref was shocking, but most followers of football know that about mr bannon by now.
Kerry shaky and beatable, and Cork must really fancy their chances.
Dublin and Kerry found it hard to stay playing good football and only both played any way well in spurts. The speed of the game, the hard hits must have all contributed to what looked scrappy on TV, but live was fantastic and absorbing to watch.
Neither manager would be a Billy Morgan or Sean Boylan. O'Shea still a novice at this level, Caffrey just doesnt have the brains or vision.
Caffrey , like most other intercounty managers, is a nice guy and football mad. However the Mickey Hartes, Jack O'Connors, John OMahoneys and Joe Kernans of the Game are in an elite club.
Caffrey is closer to being in 'Club inept' along with its chairman Mr Crozier of Derry.
Some of the substitutions by dublin were astonishing. But the gameplan is what kills me. The merry go round of forwards, the one man midfield, the absentee centre half back - all ploys that may flummox the opposition, but are counter productive and destabilising to your own teams game imo.
Kerry, cork, Laois etc have shown that attacking , scoring wing half backs are worth their weight in gold, so maybe put cullen on the wing rather than in the centre. A two man midfield and a third midfield is needed also with Ryan the 3rd midfielder.
I think Dublin have the talent to win the AI, as do Kerry, Cork, Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal, Galway, Mayo, Monaghan and Derry (Laois too if they get a few bigger men). IMO what seperates teams now are the tactics, the strategies, the management on the sideline, the ability to make changes when change is needed.
Dublin needed change yesterday, and Caffrey was found wanting.
Three good years Paul. Need a better and different man now. Kernan or Clarke (louth the men I can think of).
I am sure Paul Bealin, Val Andrews and Paul Clarke will want the job. Maybe Barney rock and Mullins too.
Dublin need Kernan.
All i have to say on the matter is Gnevin & Tankie your boys took one helluva beating. First top calibre opposition they have played all summer and they were beat, the great white hypes indeed.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 27, 2007, 10:01:35 AM
QuoteHayes is a lakes merchant.
The turf accountants of Ireland are trying to get him banned from writing about football - it's clear to see that the opposite to everything he says is a banker!
:D
Agree with you there neutral - Cluxton was at Gooch from early on - why ? Does he himself know ? Agianst Derry he came out with a ball and kicked it inot the Cusack -
He can say bye bye to the All Star now ???? Or will he be one the 4 / 5 Dubs who will end up with them cos they're Dubs ?
Quote from: Dont Matter on August 26, 2007, 07:43:16 PM
Did anyone else wish they were in Croke Park today so they could run onto the pitch and point to the scoreboard and start jumping around like a monkey in front of Brogan, Keaney and the rest of the scum?
The only thing is Brogan might do it back...... ;)
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:14:11 AM
Agree with you there neutral - Cluxton was at Gooch from early on - why ? Does he himself know ? Agianst Derry he came out with a ball and kicked it inot the Cusack -
He can say bye bye to the All Star now ???? Or will he be one the 4 / 5 Dubs who will end up with them cos they're Dubs ?
Their is no way 1/2 mistakes means he will not still be in the running for the All-Star . Out of the 4 Semi finalist . Cluxton is still the best keeper out of the 4
Quote from: Balboa on August 27, 2007, 11:12:26 AM
All i have to say on the matter is Gnevin & Tankie your boys took one helluva beating. First top calibre opposition they have played all summer and they were beat, the great white hypes indeed.
Yet Meath where being called AI contenders and Derry are a team on the up
Sure if we had of beat Kerry , we would of just beaten the worst Kerry team in years
::)
QuoteIt was like we were back in roman times at the coliseum and we had brightly clad gladiators on the pitch
Quotebut live was fantastic and absorbing to watch.
Spot on Lynchbhoy.
QuoteKerry shaky and beatable, and Cork must really fancy their chances
Whilst they may fancy their chances there was no comparison between the two semi finals. cork v Meat hwas played at a pedestrian pace and intensity compared to yesterday
QuoteA few years ago When he was sent off againat Armagh the then Dublin manager thought he had lost the game for them also - thats 2 big games on his watch
There was also his poor short kick out in 2005 that Sean Cavanagh robbed resulting in Mulligans goal which effectively put an end to the Dubs comeback in that game too.............................
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 11:17:43 AM
Quote from: Balboa on August 27, 2007, 11:12:26 AM
All i have to say on the matter is Nevin & Tanker your boys took one helluva beating. First top calibre opposition they have played all summer and they were beat, the great white hypes indeed.
Yet Math where being called AI contenders and Derry are a team on the up
Sure if we had of beat Kerry , we would of just beaten the worst Kerry team in years
::)
I think we saw what Math were made of against Cork last week, if Eoin Bradley wasn't masquerading as Stevie Wonder youse would have been beaten
QuoteHe did see a lot of ball in the second half but he never once went by Griffin and he nearly always passed the ball backwards.
???
QuoteNobody else in the subs capable, or worthy of trying according to the actions of the manager?
Doesnt exactly show much faith in your other backs, does it? A switch should have been made when Griffin was struggling so badly, who knows, a less renowned back might have chosen to have the game of his life on Cooper yesterday and certainly would not have been any worse
The Brogan have really bought into this goading stuff big time - big time egos - Keep Pillar as manager ??? No way kick the whole lot of them out and get somebody decent in ? This is the member of the Garda who assaulted John Morrison in last years semi final isn't it ?? And they got what they deserved in that game too - their dung home in a bag !!!!! Long may they reign !
Liam knows his stuff - he just can't write about it.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:21:44 AM
The Brogan have really bought into this goading stuff big time - big time egos - Keep Pillar as manager ??? No way kick the whole lot of them out and get somebody decent in ? This is the member of the Garda who assaulted John Morrison in last years semi final isn't it ?? And they got what they deserved in that game too - their dung home in a bag !!!!! Long may they reign !
So orangemuppet a team/player has been giving you abuse all game do you
a) Punch the lad
b) Do nothing a look like your scared of him
c) Remind the fella where you done your talking
Answers on a post card please .
The goading / taunting perptrated to the Dubs is nothing compared to the goading taunting and name calling towards intercounty players members of this board who claim to be repulsed by this behaviour as true GAA men. Yet have no problem doing the same, very ironic.
Funny though its not the Kerry fans at it, fair play to them, classy fans to match a classy team.
I've heard reference to "Brogan, Keaney and the rest of the scum" being thrown at intercounty players who dedicate their lives to the GAA.
Its over the top, nasty and starting to make this board look like the hoganstand site.
Grow up lads.
The Kerry keeper is the best - you wouldn't see him at the 50 soloing the ball like a clown or running out and getting the corner forward and trying to beat him up ! So I hope he doesn't get the All Star cos he's a clown and doesn't deserve it on y'days shambolic performance !
What was up with Cluxton y'day ? It was obvious that someone ( probably Pillar ) told him to go and have a go at Gooch even if he didn't have the ball - what was this about ????
Gnevin - on a serious note - why was Cluxton hell bent on landing a few punches on the Gooch y'day ? Why ?
Gooch simply ran into the square one time and Cluxton nearly went bananas ? Why did Bryan Cullen feel it necessary to goad Declan O'Sullivan after he missed a score ? Why ? Give us some answers - and when you have it worked out I believe that you will come to the conclusion ( as I have ) that Dublin minus these negative tactics ahve what it takes to go the whole road and win an AI but they won't do it by being negative and nasty - ???
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:34:17 AM
Gnevin - on a serious note - why was Cluxton hell bent on landing a few punches on the Gooch y'day ? Why ?
Gooch simply ran into the square one time and Cluxton nearly went bananas ? Why did Bryan Cullen feel it necessary to goad Declan O'Sullivan after he missed a score ? Why ? Give us some answers - and when you have it worked out I believe that you will come to the conclusion ( as I have ) that Dublin minus these negative tactics ahve what it takes to go the whole road and win an AI but they won't do it by being negative and nasty - ???
On a serious note answer by question.
I didn't see anything to nasty in the game but i was very stressed and if i can bring me self to re watching the match i might see something different in the cold light of day
My own conclusion is we need new management.
Paul Curran called it right - the problem with Dublin is their defence - they leak too many scores.
Dublin were no Monaghan :P
To be honest, i think Cluxton may indeed have lost himself the all-star. Why did he not kick out long into midfield? Dublin had been dominating this space for most of the game. That would have more than likely levelled the game, rather han letting Kerry come back and make it a 2 point game. You're just as likely to be ruled out of all-star contention by making a c**k of something than you are to be included for a great moment.
Also, Dublin didn't have all the luck either. You can give out about Cosgrove - yes, he did miss that shot on goal (when even a point would have been okay!), but he had one that came off the upright. Kerry's goal and one of their points also came off the upright - but just on the right side. Sometimes a bit of luck is needed to. Another inch or two difference and that one Dublin non-point and the 2 Kerry upright scores could have been a lot different.
Still, i reckon the final will be very tight. No one would want to lose this one. I think this summer has lacked a 'classic' and consistent team throughout. Kerry may be the champs, but they've hardly been overly impressive this year. Even yesterday - on other days you'd be lucky to have 15 and 20 minute spells without scoring and still come out on the winning side.
Also, why were The Sunday Game analysts talking about Dublin's impressive summer? They got out of Leinster (big deal!) and just got past Derry (not exactly super powers either). Have they actually made any progress this year?
I said on the way into the ground yesterday that Kerry are there for the taking and that Dublin's weak link is their manager.
He's an all blood and guts guy with 100% commitment but like a lot of his players yesterday, decision making and the lack of that final 10% motivation is costing ye.
It reminded me a little of the Ulster final where Tyrone & Kerry put up huge scores in the 1st 10 mins of each half and then coasted the rest with it getting worrying later on.
The Ref was crap but thought Dublin's tackling or standing off I should say was unreal.
I had a funny incident after the game in a pub in town.
Wearing my Brolly Tyrone shirt I was at the bar talking to a kerry man about 40ish.
I said
"Well will ye beat Cork"
"Oh aye easy enough" he retorts
Thinking I was from Derry he goes on...
"But I'd rather beat those Armagh or Tyrone F**kers"
"They have got so much respect for wha a miserable two AI's and we'll have 35 this year"
I let him continue is rant and I said nothing but smiled with him
Then I pointed to my sleave and he saw the Tir Eoghain written on it
"He starts apologising and back tracking like mad and says why have I got Brolly on my shirt"
I laughed and said at least I know yer passionate about yer team and how ye still feel ye owe us wan.
He later bought me a pint.
Others were keen to talk about Mickey Harte and reckons he'd be better to go now as they need to hear a fresh voice for next year and to learn from Kernan
They might have a point but can't see Mickey stepping down as he knows with a fully fit squad we could give it another shot
No doubt Kerry deserved their win yesterday but they are a lot worse than 2006 and 2005.
QuoteI didn't see anything to nasty in the game but i was very stressed and if i can bring me self to re watching the match i might see something different in the cold light of day
Well you'll see O'Sullivan missing his first half goal chance and while he's lying on the ground, face in the grass, you're brave Dub (who gives everything for nothing etc) comes running up roaring at the back of his head.
You'll also see Jayo roaring and shouting in someone's face (forget who now) after he wins a free kick ::)
Thanks Gnevin - that's what I said earlier - Dublin need management that are going to be more positive and concentrate on football rather than trying to rough up the opposition all the time and pointing to the scoreboard - days like these are sore and you can't say it wasn't coming.
That was Declan O'Sullivan and Paul Galvin .
Dublin have made progress - they've made some new finds - but my advice - concentrate on the football and the AI will come.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:21:44 AM
Keep Pillar as manager ??? No way kick the whole lot of them out and get somebody decent in ? This is the member of the Garda who assaulted John Morrison in last years semi final isn't it ?? And they got what they deserved in that game too - their dung home in a bag !!!!! Long may they reign !
Pillar has been offered another year.
Pillar was dead right to what he did last year - Mayo were designated the Canal end to warm up and knew what they were doing.
Moran, Morrison and some other mercenary were roaring abuse into the face if the Dublin medic and Pillar stood up for a member of his backroom team.
The bitterness on this site is unbelievable.
Brilliant story Fuzzman - very funny -
Quote from: pintsofguinness on August 27, 2007, 11:44:53 AM
QuoteI didn't see anything to nasty in the game but i was very stressed and if i can bring me self to re watching the match i might see something different in the cold light of day
Well you'll see O'Sullivan missing his first half goal chance and while he's lying on the ground, face in the grass, you're brave Dub (who gives everything for nothing etc) comes running up roaring at the back of his head.
You'll also see Jayo roaring and shouting in someone's face (forget who now) after he wins a free kick ::)
Dublin and our game would be better of without this , no doubt
But as with fitness and skill and endurance its all been taken to a higher level. Some balance here would be nice POG we see it up and down the country from under-age too auld fellas no the GAA didn't punish someone for an off the ball punch as an organisation a serious look needs to be taken .
As i've said before a line needs to be drawn in the sand and if a Dub is the first to feel the wrath of a new fairer system so be it.
Good to se you condone a member of the Garda commit an assault on an old man !!!! I'm shocked that you can agree that it was ok for your manager to hit another manager - why was he not suspended for the assault ? That's why you're winning nothing - concentrate on the football and the AI will come - if you keep Caffrey and his stoneage ideas, you're going no where. Get a new manager and not one that is just blood and guts !
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:55:24 AM
Good to se you condone a member of the Garda commit an assault on an old man !!!! I'm shocked that you can agree that it was ok for your manager to hit another manager - why was he not suspended for the assault ? That's why you're winning nothing - concentrate on the football and the AI will come - if you keep Caffrey and his stoneage ideas, you're going no where. Get a new manager and not one that is just blood and guts !
He was banned for the 1st game against Meath
Banned for 1 game ? What did he get ? 4 weeks ? 8 weeks ? 12 weeks ? 24 weeks ? 48 weeks ?
1 game ???
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:49:47 AM
Dublin have made progress - they've made some new finds - but my advice - concentrate on the football and the AI will come.
At the end of the day the 2nd half slump is gone which gives me hope
On a more serious note!
What do you say to a Dub at the All Ireland Final?
2 hotdogs and a can of coke please!
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:55:24 AM
Good to se you condone a member of the Garda commit an assault on an old man !!!!
An assault?? Jesus grow up Orangeman. He hit him a shoulder, hardly GBH!
Shouldnt have done it of course and deserved his punishment, but to call it assault is ridiculous ::)
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:49:47 AM
Dublin have made progress - they've made some new finds - but my advice - concentrate on the football and the AI will come.
At the end of the day the 2nd half slump is gone which gives me hope
yes, but they're still not sticking to the opposition. It's strange, but in the big games, Dublin seem to be losing big leads or clawing back a big deficit. There's no point for point action for 70 minutes. It makes exciting football, but makes you wonder - if they can keep a team scoreless for 15 and 20 mins at a time, why do they then lose their concentration for relatively small spells of time and throw thw whole game away?
Quote from: highorlow on August 27, 2007, 12:01:26 PM
On a more serious note!
What do you say to a Dub at the All Ireland Final?
2 hotdogs and a can of coke please!
;D
Quote from: 5iveTimes on August 27, 2007, 11:48:46 AM
I didnt get home in time to watch the Sunday game last night, are the highlights shown again during the week on Setanta or anywhere else?
game been shown on setanta tonight I think
could be 6pm though - I cant rem , alrhough read the tv guide last night.
Fuzzman
you were sitting a few rows in front of me yesterday
Brolly
37
or something on the jersey ...
Quote from: Maguire01 on August 27, 2007, 12:03:28 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:49:47 AM
Dublin have made progress - they've made some new finds - but my advice - concentrate on the football and the AI will come.
At the end of the day the 2nd half slump is gone which gives me hope
yes, but they're still not sticking to the opposition. It's strange, but in the big games, Dublin seem to be losing big leads or clawing back a big deficit. There's no point for point action for 70 minutes. It makes exciting football, but makes you wonder - if they can keep a team scoreless for 15 and 20 mins at a time, why do they then lose their concentration for relatively small spells of time and throw thw whole game away?
Now your just depressing me Maguire but i believe its coming for the sideline , With 3 men in the middle Dublin where a totally different team and Magee should of been on 10 minutes in the first half where we were lucky Kerry had so many wides .
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:34:17 AM
Gnevin - on a serious note - why was Cluxton hell bent on landing a few punches on the Gooch y'day ? Why ?
Gooch simply ran into the square one time and Cluxton nearly went bananas ?
To be fair, Gooch isn't innocent - he uses his small frail appearance to act the victim plenty of times. He goes to ground very easily to get frees (see quarter final) and the hands on the face during the late collision yesterday was more than a bit cynical. He's a great footballer - and had his best game yesterday in about 2 years. But don't be fooled - he's as cunning as you'll find.
Enjoyed the game and felt the better team won out. Dublin kept fighting for it and played some great stuff in the second half especially but in a game as intense as this at at such a high level weaknesses are exposed mercilessly as so it was for Dublin. Their backs are not good enough, their midfield stutters and most tellingly their manager simply is clueless. I was amazed that Sherlock was withdrawn for a one season flash in the pan and even though Bernard Brogan was being well marshalled I'd have left him on when Magee was belatedly introduced. The whole set up of the back line has to be questioned. Casey - not intercounty standard; Cullen - class footballer but no centre back; McConnell? He was supposed to be more comfortable away from goals but had a 'mare on Donaghy. The most worrying thing from a Dubs point of view is that this is an old problem that has not been addressed (ditto midfield). There surely are the player in Dublin to rectify these problems or some sort of system could be used to improve matters. If Caffrey goes and a decent manager is appointed then there is an AI in this team. I won't be sorry to see him go as when you see lads like Sherlock yesterday and others in previous matches indulging in some of the mouthing into peoples faces (totally at odds with their usual conduct) you conclude that - well you'd suspect there's something sinister about it. Those sort of tactics can work on many teams but not on Kerry.
Looking at Kerry's performance - their backs proved to not be as bad as some people thought. Reidy and Young stepped up well and the O'Sé's are just top class. Not fully convinced about the centre men in the defence (both top players but still adjusting to new positions). Midfield is an area of big concern for Kerry the next day. I think if Dara is not right its going to be next to impossible for Kerry to win the final. Cork are so strong in this area. Dublin really messed up by not introducing Magee earlier when Kerry were inexplicably still on top in the centre despite not having Dara. Up front Cooper, Declan O'Sullivan and Sheehan were excellent yesterday and the ability to introduce strong players from the bench was key too.
Finally just to echo the sentiments of those who thought Bannon was useless. I thought he favoured Dublin and gave them every chance of doing it as did the analysts on the Sunday Game. They must have got a phone call to tone it down cos they all rowed back a bit on the highlights programme last night. I'll watch it again myself but I'm dubious.
So a first all Munster All-Ireland final. I'm leaning towards a heavy bet on Cork with the handicap. Think it will be close.
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 11:52:41 AM
Dublin and our game would be better of without this , no doubt
But as with fitness and skill and endurance its all been taken to a higher level. Some balance here would be nice POG we see it up and down the country from under-age too auld fellas no the GAA didn't punish someone for an off the ball punch as an organisation a serious look needs to be taken .
As i've said before a line needs to be drawn in the sand and if a Dub is the first to feel the wrath of a new fairer system so be it.
Fair play, a very sensible post
But Dublin see to concentrate on this negativity - why ? It seems to be preached by Caffrey. Can't understand why -
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:55:24 AM
Good to se you condone a member of the Garda commit an assault on an old man !!!! I'm shocked that you can agree that it was ok for your manager to hit another manager - why was he not suspended for the assault ? That's why you're winning nothing - concentrate on the football and the AI will come - if you keep Caffrey and his stoneage ideas, you're going no where. Get a new manager and not one that is just blood and guts !
Talk of assault from an Armagh man is a bit rich.
He hit him a shoulder.
With regard to the referee, the experts concluded that he had a decent game - if that is the case ( which I don't think it is ) then what was O'Rourke on about at half time - he said that the people could be forgiven for saying that Bannon was playing for Dublin. And then Brolly in the after match analysis said that Bannon would have to hold up his hand and adit that he had a poor game.
4 hours later ( and without doubt a phonecall from Fr. Seamas Gardiner ) Bannon had a good game.
Come off it. Wise up and call it as it was - Bannon was shite - lost the plot and played for Dublin the whole game.
Dublin NEEDED an AI and Bannon tried to deliver it.
Quotethe hands on the face during the late collision yesterday was more than a bit cynical.
I thought so too until I saw the replay and saw his head hopping off the ground when he fell.
Will Pillar be retained - do the Dubs fans want a change or do they enjoy all this carp every Sunday - the battle of Omagh was the start of it - started by a faily civil lad whose personality has been changed for the worse - Alan Brogan. Pillar set his stall out that day and decided that Dublin needed a nasty mean streak -
I think Dublin have great footballers who can win an AI but not with Pillar and not with these negative directions.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 12:26:29 PM
Will Pillar be retained - do the Dubs fans want a change or do they enjoy all this carp every Sunday - the battle of Omagh was the start of it - started by a faily civil lad whose personality has been changed for the worse - Alan Brogan. Pillar set his stall out that day and decided that Dublin needed a nasty mean streak -
I think Dublin have great footballers who can win an AI but not with Pillar and not with these negative directions.
Pillar has been offered another year.
Check your facts re "Battle of Omagh" - the first incident in that game was when a free was awarded to Dublin after a cynical foul and McMenamin ran in & punched Derek Murray - check the video
Heffo - this was the biggest sporting specatacle that on that weekend last year - and your manager went out and hit an old man who was minding his own business - was this sensible - Pillar showed himself up that day to be a wolf in sheeps clothing and the veil dropped for good that day. Any resepct he had was lost with that "shoulder" charge - straight out the Garda crowd control text book.
QuoteWith regard to the referee, the experts concluded that he had a decent game - if that is the case ( which I don't think it is ) then what was O'Rourke on about at half time - he said that the people could be forgiven for saying that Bannon was playing for Dublin. And then Brolly in the after match analysis said that Bannon would have to hold up his hand and adit that he had a poor game.
4 hours later ( and without doubt a phonecall from Fr. Seamas Gardiner ) Bannon had a good game.
Come off it. Wise up and call it as it was - Bannon was shite - lost the plot and played for Dublin the whole game.
Dublin NEEDED an AI and Bannon tried to deliver it.
Can you specify instances where he made wrong decision?
I thought he was ok, made a couple of iffy ones but nothing major
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 11:28:34 AM
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 11:21:44 AM
The Brogan have really bought into this goading stuff big time - big time egos - Keep Pillar as manager ??? No way kick the whole lot of them out and get somebody decent in ? This is the member of the Garda who assaulted John Morrison in last years semi final isn't it ?? And they got what they deserved in that game too - their dung home in a bag !!!!! Long may they reign !
So orangemuppet a team/player has been giving you abuse all game do you
a) Punch the lad
b) Do nothing a look like your scared of him
c) Remind the fella where you done your talking
Answers on a post card please .
Heres my answer on a postcard Gnevin:
Well it was Declan O Sullivan who got the worst of the goading by Cullen. Declan took none of the above options. Instead he scored 1-03 from play, scored the vital score of the game and picked up a man of the match award. I bet Brian Cullen wouldnt be just as cocky this morning now would he?
Pillar sent the troops out to do battle that day from the first whilstle as he had decided that the only way to win an AI was by historic, barbaric and stoneage methods of coaching - soften them up and you'll beat them in the end. It doesn't work - but for the negativity I'd love to see Dublin win the AI - they have the players but under the current management set up, they haven't the temparament.
For God's sake, Jayo has been turned into a anaimal - roaring and shouting - this isn't Jayo - Jayo is a nice decent lad but he let himself down y'day. Why ? Cos he has been told to go out and behave in this manner. I bet you he feels that he made an idiiot out of himself y'day. Deep down. Even though few Dubs will admit this - this is the truth.
Southdown - I reckon that given the crazy mindsets that the Dublin team now have, that Brian Cullen in his own warped sense of footballing reality, would still think that he was 110% right in what he did.
Whenever they see that all of this crap is counterproductive, they'll realise that they have possibly thrown away an AI. But first of all the manager needs to be told this and he can pass this on to the players.
Seriously, there's no need to rub it in.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 12:35:31 PM
Pillar sent the troops out to do battle that day from the first whilstle as he had decided that the only way to win an AI was by historic, barbaric and stoneage methods of coaching - soften them up and you'll beat them in the end. It doesn't work - but for the negativity I'd love to see Dublin win the AI - they have the players but under the current management set up, they haven't the temparament.
For God's sake, Jayo has been turned into a anaimal - roaring and shouting - this isn't Jayo - Jayo is a nice decent lad but he let himself down y'day. Why ? Cos he has been told to go out and behave in this manner. I bet you he feels that he made an idiiot out of himself y'day. Deep down. Even though few Dubs will admit this - this is the truth.
Bollox - the bad vibes had started from the league game in Healy Park the previous year, when Tyrone engaged in all sorts of antics to get an edge
Dressing rooms locked, cold water, stewards/thugs shadowing Dublin mentors and plenty of other crap.
Do you deny or accept that McMenamin threw the first punch?
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 12:30:31 PM
Heffo - this was the biggest sporting specatacle that on that weekend last year - and your manager went out and hit an old man who was minding his own business - was this sensible - Pillar showed himself up that day to be a wolf in sheeps clothing and the veil dropped for good that day. Any resepct he had was lost with that "shoulder" charge - straight out the Garda crowd control text book.
Minding his own business? Are you for real? Him and his fellow mercenary in crime were roaring abuse at the Dublin medic - the picture was all over the papers the next morning
Have you got some morbid obsession with Dublin or something?
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 12:30:31 PM
and your manager went out and hit an old man who was minding his own business
Orangeman you talk some shite boyo
QuoteLiam knows his stuff
There is very, very little evidence of that!
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 12:22:07 PM
Dublin NEEDED an AI and Bannon tried to deliver it.
Jesus lads, even when we lose ye moan about the ref favouring us, by my calculations on this site thats every single game this year in which the referee favoured Dublin according to the Gaaboard majority.
Or are ye just paranoid ;)
The point I'm making to you Heffo is that Pillar sent the boys out to do battle from that day forward - they have continued to display this nasty streak ever since - so the Tyrone laegue game wasn't just a one off - this was a statement of intent from Dublin from that day onwards and so this is how it has developed.
What about the mild mannered Jayo ( tv personality / presenter ) to the man who was rnating and raving and goading the opposition y'day ?
Did O'Rourke gt it wrong ?
Did Brolly get it wrong ?
Or were the experts on the Sunday game right ?
Bannon played with Dublin y'day - like Paddy Russell in 1995 when you won the last one.
Only joking - he thinks he knows his stuff.
Lads - did Pillar assualt that old man or not ? Yes or no ?? Did he get suspended for it ? And then you went and hit the Mayo female nutritionist on the head and knocked her out - I suppose in Pillar's mind, she was a " legitimate target " as well.
I think that most of the Longfordfolk would probably agree that Bannon probably didn't 'favour' Dublin yesterday - it would probably be more in his nature to 'think' that he was contributing toward stamping out some aspect of play (in general) that he didn't like. I think he'd like to see himself as a crusader, in that respect - he'd have little time for the McAnaney way of 'cosying up' to the players. He had a poor, poor game yesterday, in terms of allowing a flow to the proceedings, but he wasn't assisted by the carry-on of the players. He was probably guilty of granting a few soft frees too. But he didn't do too much wrong - he didn't allow anyone to punch an opposing player in the gob and deny later that he'd made a mistake. ::)
Quotehe thinks he knows his stuff
That's the only qualification you need to be a journalist in this country.
How do you get an application form ?
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 12:59:13 PM
Did O'Rourke gt it wrong ?
Did Brolly get it wrong ?
Or were the experts on the Sunday game right ?
Bannon played with Dublin y'day - like Paddy Russell in 1995 when you won the last one.
Sorry Orangeman, you are of course correct, sure arent O'Rourke and Brolly big fans of the Dubs ::)
I didn't realise that Brolly and O'Rourke were Dublin fans - I thought O'Rourke was a Meath fan - but I know what you mean - O'Rourke said that Dublin would win an AI next year or the following year and that the Dublin county board should go and knock on Pillars door and make sure he would be retained. Does he secretly not rate Pillar and hope that with Pillar on board Dublin will never win an AI.
Seriously why was there such a contradiction in the opinion of Brolly/ O'Rouke compared to Curran, OCinneide and Davis ?
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 01:02:16 PM
Lads - did Pillar assualt that old man or not ? Yes or no ?? Did he get suspended for it ? And then you went and hit the Mayo female nutritionist on the head and knocked her out - I suppose in Pillar's mind, she was a " legitimate target " as well.
Did he assault him? NO
Did he shoulder him? YES
I've never seen anyone arrrested on assault charges outside a pub for hitting someone a shoulder :D :D
Did he get suspended for it? YES
Regarding the nutritionist, she got hit by a stray ball, to even suggest she was hit intentionally proves you to be a complete tr**p of a man.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Idiot.
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 27, 2007, 11:43:38 AM
I had a funny incident after the game in a pub in town.
Wearing my Brolly Tyrone shirt I was at the bar talking to a kerry man about 40ish.
I said
"Well will ye beat Cork"
"Oh aye easy enough" he retorts
Thinking I was from Derry he goes on...
"But I'd rather beat those Armagh or Tyrone F**kers"
It eats, oh how it eats at them! ;)
Idiot you are. It was colin Holmes who threw the first punch... blaming Ricey like that.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 01:02:16 PM
Lads - did Pillar assualt that old man or not ? Yes or no ?? Did he get suspended for it ? And then you went and hit the Mayo female nutritionist on the head and knocked her out - I suppose in Pillar's mind, she was a " legitimate target " as well.
I seriously hope that you have a big tongue stuck in your cheek, and that you don't actually believe what you are writing.
Myth no 1 - Dublin started the Battle of Omagh - no, McMenamin started it when he punched Derek Murray
Myth no 2 - Dublin knocked out a Mayo nutrionist - bollox - Alan Brogan accidentally hit her with a ball when she decided her presence was required in the area Dublin had been designated to warm up in
Myth no 3 - Pillar 'assaulted' John Morrison who was minding his own business - Pillar shouldered Morrision in the back defending a member of his backroom team who was being roared at by the three Ulster mercenaries.
Have any interest in the GAA besides your morbid un-informed bias against Dublin?
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 01:09:31 PM
I didn't realise that Brolly and O'Rourke were Dublin fans - I thought O'Rourke was a Meath fan - but I know what you mean - O'Rourke said that Dublin would win an AI next year or the following year and that the Dublin county board should go and knock on Pillars door and make sure he would be retained. Does he secretly not rate Pillar and hope that with Pillar on board Dublin will never win an AI.
Seriously why was there such a contradiction in the opinion of Brolly/ O'Rouke compared to Curran, OCinneide and Davis ?
I was at the game so couldn care less what ANYONE in the studio thinks, I can make my own mind up thanks.
Orangeman, your comments about Dublin HITTING a female nutritionist from Mayo and suggesting this was deliberate on the other thread has shown your true colours.
You should be ashamed.
No great fan of Bannons for a very specific reason relating to an incident that happened in a county semi final a few years ago and watching the game I thought he was poor and favoured the Dubs but in fairness what the lads on the Sunday game said was they also originally thought he was poor but when they watched the game on video they reckoned he was correct with nearly all his calls with the exception of one or two that were debateable
Quote from: neutral on August 27, 2007, 01:11:14 PM
Idiot you are. It was colin Holmes who threw the first punch... blaming Ricey like that.
It was McMenamin up to the left hand side of the Tyrone goal mouth.
Theres no need for insults - you only make yourself look stupid.
Lads please tell me how Kerry got these tickets , clearly a mistake we all know your not allow have them? ::) ::)
Glad this has been put to bed , i'll be saving the link to this thread so when it's claimed Dubs don't a right to the hill all by themselves i can just post its and say shut up you fool.
No need. If you're loud enough they'll come looking for you. Take Spillane for instance.
I have to say i am gutted with that defeat yeasterday even tho i did not fancy us to win before the game but i think its only right that we all thank the Dublin footballers for bringing the Dublin fans another great summer in football. I'm also sure our country friends would even be thankful for how they once again light up the sporting summer and also generated a nice few quid for the GAA along the way.
Sure roll on the O'Byrne Cup ;)
TRUE
Fair play Tankie!!!
keep the flag fyling
Absolutely. Thanks to all the players, Management & backroom team.
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 25, 2007, 03:40:17 PM
It will be nip and tuck until the last 10-15 mins and then the Yerra men will pull away, bit like the Galway KK match. Expect whoever wins to beat the Langers, this is the AI final 4 me...
Close but no cigar, Kerry pushed for the line too early IMO. Fascinating match though, thoroughly enjoyed it, was regretting not looking for a ticket during the minor game (another cracking match, talk about get out of jail, Laois to win the next day, no. 9 and Donie Kingstone look like they're gonna be some players...). Regarding the ref, no fan of Bannon but he didn't stand out for any bad calls in my eyes, was surprised at Brolly and O'Rourkes reaction at HT.
I've said it before but Dublin will not win an AI with Pillar in charge, 2 to 6 are just not good enough, best corner back didn't get a game all year, bringing on Cosgrove (some laugh at his goal attempt and hitting the post again :D). There is an AI in Dublin, just not with this manager.
The two new Kerry lads at the back really impressed, esp Killian Young, great ball in for Declan O'Sullivan for the goal (good conducting from the Gooch) and the O'Se's, well what can you say, top class. Great duel between Marc and Alan Brogran. They seem to be weak enough down the center and I'm sure Billy will target them here.
Sheehans 55 was some free, I know the wind slightly favoured him but to get that distance with accuracy off the ground was a thing of beauty, if only we didn't have to listen to McStay wetting himself...
Kerry still have some improving to do to win the final, but I've no doubt they will.
Quote from: Hound on August 26, 2007, 10:46:55 PMMy heart goes out to Whelo, and I pray that Val Andrews, or whoever it is we get as our new manager, can persuade him to give it another go. With him, we'd have a decent chance next year. Without him we've no chance. But listen, Dublin GAA has never looked after Whelan (certainly not the way other top counties look after their better players). He's had to move out as far as Westmeath to find an affordable house, and its so tough to expect a bloke with a young family to travel that distance day in day out. I'm so sorry the Dublin team in recent years wasnt good enough to make full use of the abilities of both Whelan and Sherlock.
Where about in Westmeath has he moved to? Will he be playing for his local club do you know???
In fairness some of the best players and a dedicated buch and bring great colour to the championship but did you need another thread for this?
Come back Armagh, all is forgiven. :P
Dont worry Seanie we wont be having many more for a few months soon enough :(
You'll need to get that team of lawyers out looking for him Croí! ;)
There are plenty of counrty players living in dublin and they make the journey home ;)
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2007, 02:10:25 PM
Absolutely. Thanks to all the players, Management & backroom team
You mean there are MORE of them back there in addition to the few dozen who were out front yesterday?
And I must say I found the sight of the 6-man brains trust indulging in a group hug for the duration of the national anthem a bit cringe-making. That's another first, as far as I know and for some reason I had an instant image of ould Brezhnev and the rest of the politburo and the way they used to kiss each other way back then.
Kerry 1-15 Dublin 0-16
It's really sweet to look at that score and smile in the knowledge that the stinking Dubs are out. Players like the Brogans, Keaney and Cullen must be feeling dejected today after their defeat and all I can do is laugh. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Look lads - ok - the nutritionist wasn't targeted and it was tongue in cheek - but these incidents DID happen - Pillar hit Morrison ( or whatever term you want to use ) - the Dubs arnhe continually goading / riling the opposition - fact - What I am saying and will continue to say is that Dublin are a very good side but their tactics HAVE NOT SERVED THEM WELL. There is no need to create a siege mentality when you have got a good panel of players, so why do it ? I think the tactics are wrong - let the players enjoy the game a bit more and relax a little, Then and only then will you see the Dubs take the AI - I believe they will win an AI but not with the present mindsets -
Agree ?
Will Caffrey stay on as manager as O'Rourke has advocated ?
Good luck to all true Dubs fans, though I fear there isn't an AI in the current crop of players. Jayo is pretty much finished, Whelan not far off and Vaughan doesn't do enough in general play to be carried for the frees.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 02:41:56 PM
Look lads - ok - the nutritionist wasn't targeted and it was tongue in cheek
Sorry Orangeman but that wasnt said "tongue in cheek". It was a serious thing to say.
I do agree though that we could do without some of the shite, never denied that.
Just took exception to that comment.
Group Hug His Holiness?
ill second the group hug!!!
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2007, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: neutral on August 27, 2007, 01:11:14 PM
Idiot you are. It was colin Holmes who threw the first punch... blaming Ricey like that.
It was McMenamin up to the left hand side of the Tyrone goal mouth.
Theres no need for insults - you only make yourself look stupid.
was alan brogan there? what about whelan also? youre using selective memory.
i would suggest you look at the video yourself.
Now i understand you p***ed off today about the glorious failure but also let me remind you, because you ran kerry close in a semi final does not automatically me you will improve for next year.
i believe it is as close as this dublin team/management will come to the holy grail. Theres a long time to the next championship match for them, the dublin press will be already inserting them as favourites, we will be hearing once again that this will be the year, an so on and so on.
On a serious note overall i dont feel that the sideline is tactically astute enough, the team dont have a killer punch and the overall arrogant/disresfectful attitiude that exists will be a hinderance rather a than an asset.
It was very much tongue in cheek Holiness - I'm prepare to take part in the group hug ok.
Bensars - I've been trying to say this all morning and afternoon that Dublin would be better served abandoning all the negative tactics - they need a new manager or else a new management style.
Still waiting for your answer Tankie
Quote from: SuperSub on August 26, 2007, 05:10:17 PM
Well Tankie tell us all ???
Well SuperSub cheers for the PM but there is not to much i can say, i was never confident that we would beat Kerry which i said on this board but i don't think its right to start the blame game just yet as these players have put in alot of work over that past number of years and i for one apprieciate their time and effort. Why did we lose the game i think comes down to what i have said since tyrone beat us in 05, Pillar is a good manager but i don't think he the man to get us SAM as that day in the drawn game he should he was not tactically good enough and i still don't think he has improved on that.
jeez lads this whole thing is a bit hysterical.
Its a competition and there can only be one winner so teams are going to lose.
The competitive nature of counties and that there are more counties 'close' to the standard than ever before, then there will always be the rivalry and some ill-feeling/jealousy etc.
I think its created some great games, spectacles and we have been treated to wonderful entertainment this summer.
If it wasnt for the football (and hurling) our wet miserable summer would have been more obvious to us all.
On another note, I dont like the talking and so on that has crept into football.
I recall my brother raising his arm after scoring a goal in an u16 match and the oul fella when he got him home tore strips off him for doing so and he didnt do it again.
The retaliation thing is the same, you may want to hit back, but its worse if someone gives you a dig off the ball and you either hit the deck like a sugar plum fairy or you whinge to the ref and linesman.
The reaction is to skillfully take the fcukers head or ribbs of next time either of you have the ball - ot hit him with yer hip when he is down picking up the ball and carry on the action of picking it up yerself -(usually escapes getting a yellow card).
I dont like some of these distasteful actions on players though - like , I cringed when I saw Ross McConnell jumping on Donaghy's toe with his stude. Donaghy leapet up and highlighted that his foot had been tramped on in an amusing 6'5" kerry leprechaun jig with foot in hand for a few seconds, before howling at the linesman, ref and umpires for a yellow card etc.
He should have taken his dig and got the man back in time honoured fashion.
However, as mentioned before, Declan O'Sullivan did reply in the best possible manner- with 1-3. But not all players are going to chip in with such scores as a perfect retaliation. Retaliation and fighting are not what the game needs, but I am schooled in the old 'eye for an eye' class.
A wise oul fella said to me years ago - if you are fighting , yer not playing football. How can ya win if you're not playing football.
Lighten up lads, like, love or loathe Dublin, Kerry (meath, Cork etc etc) its been a great year for football, and they have all contributed handsomely.
Quote from: Bensars on August 27, 2007, 02:57:38 PM
Quote from: heffo on August 27, 2007, 01:28:37 PM
Quote from: neutral on August 27, 2007, 01:11:14 PM
Idiot you are. It was colin Holmes who threw the first punch... blaming Ricey like that.
It was McMenamin up to the left hand side of the Tyrone goal mouth.
Theres no need for insults - you only make yourself look stupid.
was alan brogan there? what about whelan also? youre using selective memory.
i would suggest you look at the video yourself.
Indeed they were both there.
Whelan tried to drag up a Tyrone player by the scruff who was feigning injury and Alan Brogan reacted to a few choice comments from the Tyrone physio
If you had read my post, you would have seen I was referring to the first incident and that was started with Ryan McMenamin running in and punching Derek Murray - if you dispute this, we can have a little wager - I'll dig out the video segment and we can pm each other details to sort out payment...
No disrespect Lynchboy but I think the footballing year has not been great - the hurling has been brilliant.
I wouldn't blame any of the players at all for your defeat... you don't have the quality within the county to win the top prize. McConnell, Casey, Griffin (roasted the last 2 games!), Moran (not a HF), Cahill, Jayo (not anymore anyway) and Vaughan are not up to scratch and that is too many passengers for any team to carry when trying wo win an All Ireland, for all this talk about the management using wrong tactics etc. I personally don't think the Dubs could have played any better yesterday than they did.
Considering the players mentioned I reckon you could keep Casey, Moran (played at HB, possibly swap with Cullen) and possibly Griffin and still win an All Ireland, but the rest need to be replaced with real quality for you to push it over the line.
You seriously cant blame a incident early on for what transpired thereafter.
Its no excuse plain and simple.
Nor can you blame any incident for the way dublin behaved yesterday. Its only a couple of weeks ago it recieved widespread condemnation.
As someone else stated earlier, i think its the seige mentality that has been installed and the we'll do anything it takes to win as it was widespread throughout the team.
Quote from: orangeman on August 27, 2007, 03:30:42 PM
No disrespect Lynchboy but I think the footballing year has not been great - the hurling has been brilliant.
its obv open to personal opinion and perspective.
I really enjoyed the Dub v Meath games, the meath resurgence, the Cork v kerry munster final, some of the football played in the qualifiers between some of the teams being pure football (as opposed to the 'puke' football that is lazily applied to some games and teams - and allegedly pioneered by the 70's Kerry team ;))
The Monaghan games, the Louth performances even Derrys run of good form.
The only down side was the blip for some of the talented sides that should have been better like Donegal, Armagh, Tyrone and Laois.
Maybe I am easily pleased as a football obsessed fan.
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 27, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
You'll need to get that team of lawyers out looking for him Croí! ;)
They're otherwise engaged making sure the draw is rigged for next year so that we don't have to play in any more wind tunnels ;D
When we corner him we'll put him out to stud in the Greville... :P
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 27, 2007, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 27, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
You'll need to get that team of lawyers out looking for him Croí! ;)
They're otherwise engaged making sure the draw is rigged for next year so that we don't have to play in any more wind tunnels ;D
When we corner him we'll put him out to stud in the Greville... :P
get him to stay clear of the greville - in case he ends up with one of them ugly donkeys that seem to live in the place (on sat nights)
This is getting a bit pathetic at this stage. Dublin people love their football just as much as anyone else. No one was sneering at Laois when Dublin beat them in the LF, even though ye carried on whinging for a month or so afterwards. Move on FFS.
and we really don't need another thread.
Quote from: Bensars on August 27, 2007, 03:36:47 PM
You seriously cant blame a incident early on for what transpired thereafter.
Its no excuse plain and simple.
As I said earlier, Tyrone set the bad feeling for the way they carried on in the game the year before.
The consensus among anti-Dubs seems to be that Dublin started the agression - I was simply pointing out that Tyrone behaved on that day, the same way they had done since Harte took over.
Dublin responded in kind.
Have you rowed back in your assertion that McMenamin threw the first punch?
sorry i dont who the individual you are refferring too :D
Quote from: Bensars on August 27, 2007, 03:49:51 PM
sorry i dont who the individual you are refferring too :D
I'll take that as a withdrawal of your previous comment so ;)
Quote from: screenexile on August 27, 2007, 03:33:02 PM
I wouldn't blame any of the players at all for your defeat... you don't have the quality within the county to win the top prize. McConnell, Casey, Griffin (roasted the last 2 games!), Moran (not a HF), Cahill, Jayo (not anymore anyway) and Vaughan are not up to scratch and that is too many passengers for any team to carry when trying wo win an All Ireland, for all this talk about the management using wrong tactics etc. I personally don't think the Dubs could have played any better yesterday than they did.
Considering the players mentioned I reckon you could keep Casey, Moran (played at HB, possibly swap with Cullen) and possibly Griffin and still win an All Ireland, but the rest need to be replaced with real quality for you to push it over the line.
I think Cahill is up to scratch but he would be a better option at centre back than Cullen. He was very good in that position in 2005. Put Cullen centre forward. Get rid of Casey, bring in Brennan in his place, Cahill to centre back and move Moran back to fill the other wing back slot.
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 27, 2007, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 27, 2007, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 27, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
You'll need to get that team of lawyers out looking for him Croí! ;)
They're otherwise engaged making sure the draw is rigged for next year so that we don't have to play in any more wind tunnels ;D
When we corner him we'll put him out to stud in the Greville... :P
get him to stay clear of the greville - in case he ends up with one of them ugly donkeys that seem to live in the place (on sat nights)
Sounds like someone was caught out with a case of the beer googles ;D
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 27, 2007, 03:59:16 PM
Quote from: lynchbhoy on August 27, 2007, 03:42:24 PM
Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on August 27, 2007, 03:40:57 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on August 27, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
You'll need to get that team of lawyers out looking for him Croí! ;)
They're otherwise engaged making sure the draw is rigged for next year so that we don't have to play in any more wind tunnels ;D
When we corner him we'll put him out to stud in the Greville... :P
get him to stay clear of the greville - in case he ends up with one of them ugly donkeys that seem to live in the place (on sat nights)
Sounds like someone was caught out with a case of the beer googles ;D
......former serial offender :(
Exactly - no need for another thread on this subject.
why don't we just rename this website Hoganstand Mark2? it really has descended into a shambles but with a numbskull like Budweiser as a regular poster what can we do.
Well that's one way to restore normal feedback Bud :D
I suppose on reflection there were some good games but it wasn't vintage stuff. Let's hope the AI final will be a clinker.
the non gaa discussion is mostly a piss take but its meant to be that and at the moment there are probably more well rounded arguements there. the gaa discussion make is gone ta poo lately.
how many threads do we need slaggin the dubs!!!
the only worthwhile debate on this site takes place on the hurling section. The football section is now hoganstand material. It is arguably the most poorly administered site out there with the amount of libellous material posted.
Anyone who does not recognise the two Brogans talent certain does not follow football. Alan was always a fantastic player but in my eyes he has always been a little timid. I watched my own clubmate, Conor Gormley take him to the cleaners physically without being dirty in the 2005 quarter final. Pillar would have told Brogan that he had to get nastier, and there is nothing wrong with that. If Dublin are going to win All Ireland they can not let their main man be pushed, or indeed intimadted off the ball. Now something that very few off us would understand is the amount of pressure that a player is under when they play for Dublin. It has to be released someway. What Brogan and Bonnar did would off been as a result of, and i can not be sure of this, but i think something was going on with Darren Rooney and Bonnar and Alan Brogan got a bit carried away as a result. What he did was not as bad as Jayo or Bryan Cullens actions yesterday.
Quotewith a numbskull like Budweiser as a regular poster what can we do.
How many new panes are you looking for for the glasshouse?
Can someone tell me with authority exactly how many 45s there was in the match yesterday? Was watching it in work so kept getting distracted and need to settle a bet
wee roddy must agree over the over rating of brogan, greedy little shit.
the amount of times he goes for the impossible effort amazes me at times.
then he hits a couple of scores and he a hero and the RTE lads forget to mention his five previous wides
Have to agree ,fair play to the Lads and everyone involved .
Sure it was a bad year to win it would of distracted from the Hurling revival , clearly the DCB plan to win it next year , its a master stroke really :D
Don't like to get into discussions about the ref, but I can't see where people are getting the idea that the ref favored Dublin (though you do hear this after every Dublin game...).
Two incidents spring to mind: Galvin (I think it was) putting the head on Casey, but staying on the pitch, and Ryan being called back for a free when he was bearing down on goal. Surely if the ref was favoring Dublin, those calls would have been different?
And before the accusations of sour grapes fly in, I'm offering these only as evidence of the lack of a pro-Dublin bias in the ref, and not as reasons why Dublin didn't win.
Indiana,
Numbskull I may be but let me tell you this, there was I time I suspected you to be a complete thick. Now I know I am right.
I had the luck one time to study and obtain a diploma in Civil Law & Basic Risk Insurance. First you accuse me of being a numbskull and then you rant on about Libellous Material posted. I'd say you wouldn't know Libellous Material from toilet paper. Just to point you in the right direction about what could be libellous, here is a little gem from yourself, posted not so long ago at all:
QuoteSean O Neill was a dirty bollox- who knoced the shite out of Tommy Kehoe in a league game earlier that year. I attended the 1996 All-Ireland Final and Sean O Neill hit O Connor first and O Connor hit him back. The fact that O Connor was better able to hit wasn't his fault because O Neill started it. That was a physcial Wexford outfit but i never saw them pull across people'es heads like i saw two of the limerick players doing at the weekend. Gary Kirby never put his hurl up behind his hand a skill you learn at juvenile level- what did he expect. I read somewhere he broke 4-5 fingers in his time. Limerick have always sailed close to the wind but they could always hurl but this crowd go beyond it because they can't hurl.
Now, I will put my name to what I posted and you can send it to alan Brogan. In return I ask you to put your name to above and I will send it to Sean O'Neill.
had the luck one time to study and obtain a diploma in Civil Law & Basic Risk Insurance
hardly studying for the bar exams ? You wouldn't know libellous material from factual material with your above comments. And yes my original description of you being a numbskull still stands. Anyone who would be so bitter to take the time out to post your original post is a complete numbskull in my view.
Quote from: Barney on August 27, 2007, 08:06:22 AM
QuoteAnd to think we let this clown live in Ros
Where else would you put a clown but in the circus. Ros is Ireland's Big Top.
For pity's sake don't forget to distract the Mayos outside at the candy floss stall.
It could get very messy if they get anywhere near the high wire ... ;) :D ;D
Sorry folks have been out for a few hours, yeah I'll get in on that group hug!
(I'm not gay)
well done to the dubs, brought great colour, excitement, craic and skill to the championship yet again this year.
Some of this shite is way over the top. Yes, I was delighted to see O'Sullivan shove Casey's taunts down his throat, but the Dubs are hardly the only team who do this. Plenty of the outraged Tyrone lads were defending their own team earlier this year after similar incidents in their game against Donegal. There's probably lads on every team who do it. Regarding Morrison and Caffrey, Morrison said in his Tribune column a few weeks back that that was a very minor incident and there was no hard feelings at all after it.
Again I don't like hammering on about a ref but yesterday the free count was 29 - 16, he definitely gave Dublin the easier frees, but don't believe he went out of his way to influence the result as has been suggested.
Great game for the neutral, but a few instances turned the game.
Cluxton's f**king about was just crazy, what the fcuk was he at even holding the ball and doing a few solos coming out from his box, laughable decision making, just pass it out and keep the momentum going. really turned the tide on the comeback, simply stupid.
As for Ray Cosgrave's goal effort, did it even reach the goal line, think it was sliced so bad it actually stayed in play, great play by Magee though beforehand.
Fair play to Cooper, he took some big hits but stayed firm and showed his class, unbelievable footballer off both feet, how would you begin to mark a player like that (fairly).
Impressed with Donaghy as well. people have been raving about this second season syndrome, but this year he's been double marked and hammered from pillar to post in every match, he kept his mouth shut and got on with it (except for NFL v Fermanagh, but he learned from that), battled away for form and found it, very likeable player.
Delighted also for Declan O'Sullivan after the booing last year, frontrunner for player of the year at this rate.
Three O'Se's are legends.
As for Whelan I don't think he'll walk away yet, they are so close to getting it right, I personally believe he deserves an All-Ireland final appearance at least.
Anyway can't see Cork beating Kerry now.
Again any know how many 45s??
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 01:13:04 AM
Since no has disagreed i assume next may/june i wont have to listen to how other counties aren't being given hill tickets ?
FFS Nevin, less then one day out of the championship and you're already suffering from attention defecit syndrome. See you again next May sport, slan abhaile.
Dublin did not get one and I don't remember Kerry getting any.
Absolute proof - no.
How much is at stake?
Quote from: Gnevin on August 27, 2007, 01:13:04 AM
Since no has disagreed i assume next may/june i wont have to listen to how other counties aren't being given hill tickets ?
In fairness I know for a fact Derry got no allocation of Hill tickets and they did request them. (the QF game).
As for the match, thought the Dubs gave it all and were unlucky in the end. Maybe if Cluxton had've found a good pass when he was out on the 45 or so, instead of gifting Kerry a point things could've worked out differently. However I must say I thought the ref was fairly harsh on Kerry a few times.
For me I couldn't beliveve that they brought Cosgrove on. Seems to me that he's had plenty of chances to prove himself and hasn't (since his great year, 2002 was it?). Also I noticed that from about 55mins onwards Shane Ryan was out on his feet. He couldn't run at all after that. He gave it all before that, but surely pillar should've taken him off for Magee? Also I agree Vaughan adds nothing in open play.....but he shouldn;'t have been subbed for Tomás Quinn. Quinn's a better footballer, but he 's a total bottler. I know who I'd want on the field if I had a last min free to level it.*
Was a really good atmosphere at the game. There were a few idiot Dublin fans beside me, but I must most of them (like when we played them) were great.
*Ok I know he missed a last min free last year, but it was from an enormous distance.
no 45's. byran sheehan put over a 65 tho!
Every team takes the mickey !!! Galvin is a dirt bag, has some skill but he will never be an All Star! Wish we had him against Australia last year. This shite about the Dubs and their supporters hurts Gaelic Football because whether you like it or not,THERE WOULD BE NO CROKE PARK without them, no way. Cork semi final brings in 35,000 c'mon! Geraghty is a dirt bag should have had two reds this year. The Dubs are not going away, we'll always be there to scare the wellies off you! Don't tell me that any team comes to Croker to play Dublin and thinks his team will walk all over Dublin !!!! EVERY County player no matter where deserves to be thanked for giving us the greatest game in the world. Best of luck to ANY team and ANY County who receive glory in September in ANY year. It keeps us IRISH you stupid f**kers!
Having listened to Hayes on newstalk this evening i've lost even more respect for the guy. Maintained Dublin didnt perform and Kerry only won because of their raw energy or some shite like that. I think the article he wrote has basically finished his career in the media or I hope so at least
Quote from: fuck31ofthem on August 27, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Every team takes the mickey !!! Galvin is a dirt bag, has some skill but he will never be an All Star! Wish we had him against Australia last year. This shite about the Dubs and their supporters hurts Gaelic Football because whether you like it or not,THERE WOULD BE NO CROKE PARK without them, no way. Cork semi final brings in 35,000 c'mon! Geraghty is a dirt bag should have had two reds this year. The Dubs are not going away, we'll always be there to scare the wellies off you! Don't tell me that any team comes to Croker to play Dublin and thinks his team will walk all over Dublin !!!! EVERY County player no matter where deserves to be thanked for giving us the greatest game in the world. Best of luck to ANY team and ANY County who receive glory in September in ANY year. It keeps us IRISH you stupid f**kers!
wow what a retard, galvin already has two all-stars and merits another one this year!
i couldnt even be arsed to read the rest of your post as you clearly are a stupid fanboy
Quote from: Don on August 27, 2007, 10:49:23 PM
Having listened to Hayes on newstalk this evening i've lost even more respect for the guy. Maintained Dublin didnt perform and Kerry only won because of their raw energy or some shite like that. I think the article he wrote has basically finished his career in the media or I hope so at least
I think they should have him on the Sunday game . The way RTE are going dont be surprised
How did this get turned round to Galvin - he had a super start y'day - a great player who gets stuck in too much.
Are we all exhausted / fed up yet ?
Was that the longest free ever in Croke Park - it must have been 70 yards !
He's likely to get promotion.
Agree 100 % - the Dubs fans did bring great colour and excitement and created a feel good factor - and they even turned up on time for the matches which was nice. Hopefully next year, they can make the breakthrough.
QuoteEvery team takes the mickey !!! Galvin is a dirt bag, has some skill but he will never be an All Star! Wish we had him against Australia last year. This shite about the Dubs and their supporters hurts Gaelic Football because whether you like it or not,THERE WOULD BE NO CROKE PARK without them, no way. Cork semi final brings in 35,000 c'mon! Geraghty is a dirt bag should have had two reds this year. The Dubs are not going away, we'll always be there to scare the wellies off you! Don't tell me that any team comes to Croker to play Dublin and thinks his team will walk all over Dublin !!!! EVERY County player no matter where deserves to be thanked for giving us the greatest game in the world. Best of luck to ANY team and ANY County who receive glory in September in ANY year. It keeps us IRISH you stupid f**kers!
This guy is one of the Dublin "fans" that posts over on reservoirdubs.com.
The dubs on here dont deserve the abuse they have gotten but lads like this certainly do as the language (some of them)
use about "culchchies" is ott.
I suggest ye leave the Dubs on here alone and give these guys the abuse they deserve, www.reservoirdubs.com
They'll probably censor you immdeiately though as they dont like getting it back.
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on August 27, 2007, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: fuck31ofthem on August 27, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Every team takes the mickey !!! Galvin is a dirt bag, has some skill but he will never be an All Star! Wish we had him against Australia last year. This shite about the Dubs and their supporters hurts Gaelic Football because whether you like it or not,THERE WOULD BE NO CROKE PARK without them, no way. Cork semi final brings in 35,000 c'mon! Geraghty is a dirt bag should have had two reds this year. The Dubs are not going away, we'll always be there to scare the wellies off you! Don't tell me that any team comes to Croker to play Dublin and thinks his team will walk all over Dublin !!!! EVERY County player no matter where deserves to be thanked for giving us the greatest game in the world. Best of luck to ANY team and ANY County who receive glory in September in ANY year. It keeps us IRISH you stupid f**kers!
wow what a retard, galvin already has two all-stars and merits another one this year!
Retard huh? you f**king idiot! When you learn to read and write talk back to me! Galvin IS STILL A f**king DIRTBAG, Finuge/ The shithole of Kerry. Want me to spell it for you ?
i couldnt even be arsed to read the rest of your post as you clearly are a stupid fanboy
Quote from: fuck31ofthem on August 28, 2007, 02:53:46 AM
Quote from: The Forfeit Point on August 27, 2007, 10:50:09 PM
Quote from: fuck31ofthem on August 27, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Every team takes the mickey !!! Galvin is a dirt bag, has some skill but he will never be an All Star! Wish we had him against Australia last year. This shite about the Dubs and their supporters hurts Gaelic Football because whether you like it or not,THERE WOULD BE NO CROKE PARK without them, no way. Cork semi final brings in 35,000 c'mon! Geraghty is a dirt bag should have had two reds this year. The Dubs are not going away, we'll always be there to scare the wellies off you! Don't tell me that any team comes to Croker to play Dublin and thinks his team will walk all over Dublin !!!! EVERY County player no matter where deserves to be thanked for giving us the greatest game in the world. Best of luck to ANY team and ANY County who receive glory in September in ANY year. It keeps us IRISH you stupid f**kers!
wow what a retard, galvin already has two all-stars and merits another one this year!
Retard huh? you f**king idiot! When you learn to read and write talk back to me! Galvin IS STILL A f**king DIRTBAG, Finuge/ The shithole of Kerry. Want me to spell it for you ?
i couldnt even be arsed to read the rest of your post as you clearly are a stupid fanboy
What were you using?.....skype? ;D
"hardly studying for the bar exams ?"
Well I am glad I didn't study Psychiatry because if you walked in my practise the first thing I would reach for is the big set of keys for the lock up room.
Now that you have taken the time to describe me let me describe you for exactly what you are, and I will do so using only words used by you to describe others. You are condescending, self-indulgent and an asshole first of all. I just happened to read back through some of your posts where you THINK you know it all and in 90% of the few I have read you dismiss other posters with the view that you are right all the time and everyone else is wrong - fact. This is a discussion board - not one for everyone to have your stupid points shoved down their necks. " I attended this game, I was here, I was there, I am right, I know it all etc.
When it comes to handing out insults you are a two faxce git to take me to task over slagging Brogan and Bonner, whom let me hastily add I would guess can take the slagging more than you can. Here are some more of your gems you should consider before throwing your suder out of the pram and running like an other poster to the moderator:
"Vaughan is not the sharpest tool in the box"
"Tipp are an arrogant shower"
"The biggest pricks I've ever come across as Gaa fans are from laois -"
"Ulster Football has challenged Kerry fooball and Kerry don't like it
because they believe they have a divine right to win All-Irelands fogetting
the fact they play in the shitest province in Ireland."
"frank murphy is and has always been an asshole in the extreme. "
" GG is a toerag - always was- always will be."
I could go on but if you condense the few extracts from your posts above into one word the spell Asshole to me. Now, for once will you realise that you are not God Almighty, or Almighty in any way and that you are not right all the time, and for once stop mouthing out of you to try and control the board to an extent that everyone has to agree with you. It won't work.
Go on now and run crying to the moderator.
All the same Bud, its getting boring at this stage, maybe save this thread for when Laois actually beat the Dubs.
People say this site is like the Hoganstand, thats a bit harsh on Hoganstand IMO.
Also ironic given the outrage at the "triumphalism" showed by the Dubs against Laois that the same posters who were appalled are fine with giving it out themselves.
I've said it before, but fair play to the Kerry posters, they are the only guys justified in gloating at the Dubs and they didnt. Classy set of fans.
Thats fair enough Your Holiness coming from you and I full accept what you say. But coming from Indianna I do not and will not accept it. I am a member of Ballyboden from where three of the Dubs players come from (and should have been a fourth) and I went to the game on Sunday and brought a Dub with me and shouted for the Dubs.
But, if Dublin thought a Laois man was not going to slag them over the scoreboard on Sunday, then from my experience of Dubs over the last thirty years since I came to live in Dublin, they are not true Dubs.
I consider this matter closed anyway.
As a matter of fact I am finished with the board as and from this post because VERY obviously, there are different rules for different posters.
Thanks anyway your holiness and goodbye to the lot of you.
(anyone have Tony Fearons e-mail, I can talk to him)
Jaysus Bud dont go!
Sure it'll only be a few weeks till the finals are over and it'll be back to the regular posters!
I understand where you are coming from though, I had to take a few months off the board early in the year as people were wrecking my head.
But sure the wind up merchants never last long.
I'd like to thank the lads also. A great effort that just fell short.
We have the core of a decent team next year, but some changes are required.
Cullen has to move to half forward, with Moran going to half back. Or at least it'll be Moran, Cahill, Casey and Brennan fighting for the half back positions.
That'd give us 4 really good scoring forwards in Cullen, the Brogans and Keaney. Add Vaughan to take the frees, leaves one place up for grabs.
We'll really miss Whelo in midfield. Even if he can no longer partriipate in the training sessions throughout the winter that would make him fit enough to compete at midfield come championship, I still think he could make a very good full forward. Of course Pillar would never think of saying "Whelo go stand on the edge of the square", when Kerry went 2 up with seconds left.
Maybe there's an unexpected star to emerge in the coming NFL!
In any event its not as if any other team is anything special. 2008 will be wide open.
And I hear on the radio this morning that Pillar is staying ......... amazed at that......... but good luck to him!
Why will Whelan not be able to trian all winter ?
"The biggest pricks I've ever come across as Gaa fans are from laois -"
that is certainly something i will stand over. Adios.
I still maintain anybody who took the time out to write the post you originally is a sad bitter individual. Not a comment on the game itself. I'll confine myself to the hurling section i think- at least we get debate there not the sort of banal rubbish we get in this section of which a perfect example is the topic of this thread posed by a Laoisman. Need i say more.
Adieu.
Right lads Ive had enough of this too. Goodbye for ever!!!
Jesus - what has Galvin done ?
Quote from: his holiness nb on August 27, 2007, 10:05:54 AM
Lads whats all this about Kerry "taking the hill" that makes them sound like a soccer "firm" !
I'd prefer some away fans on the hill, makes for better craic, and yesterday we got just that, good craic between fans, brilliant atmosphere, great game, wrong result :(
Congrats to Kerry though, class team.
And you wonder why everyone hates the Dubs. ::)
Lads,
I have merged all the topics which specifically related to the semi final. It was getting to Armagh - Tyrone proportions.
As for the posts labelling ANY players of our games as 'scum', 'tramps', 'knackers' etc please lay off them. This has been mentioned before in relation to other teams and players, and the same applies to the Dubs. It goes beyond 'slagging' in my book. You can have a perfectly decent cut at any team for their behaviour on the pitch, but castigating a lad's character because of some stupidity on the field is out of order.
There are plenty of real 'scumbags' roaming our streets, so a bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss.
Thanks
This board has been destroyed.
I went to ground immediately after the game and only now feel like commenting.
It was a disappointing end to the year, failing as we did to go at least one step further than last year. However, all in all, it was a good summer with many memorable days for the boys in blue. Well done lads.
As always we'll now look forward, and come January with the start of the O'Byrne Cup the sap will begin to rise again and a new year will lie in front of us when anything will be possible.
Finally, well done Kerry. What a remarkable footballing county you are – churning out top class teams generation after generation. Can you not let the rest of us into your secret?
Quote from: fuck31ofthem on August 27, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Galvin is a dirt bag, has some skill but he will never be an All Star! Wish we had him against Australia last year.
We did have him last year - here he is wrestling with Chance Bateman (Yes, that is his real name!) - http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200611/r114704_361723.jpg
Quote from: heffo on September 04, 2007, 02:47:57 PM
Quote from: fuck31ofthem on August 27, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
Galvin is a dirt bag, has some skill but he will never be an All Star! Wish we had him against Australia last year.
We did have him last year - here he is wrestling with Chance Bateman (Yes, that is his real name!) - http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200611/r114704_361723.jpg
Alien Vs Predator there ;)
QuoteFinally, well done Kerry. What a remarkable footballing county you are – churning out top class teams generation after generation. Can you not let the rest of us into your secret?
Cheers THiB: But the secret shall remain within the hallowed pages of the Book of Yerra.
But a few things that bring out the best in the Kerry lads:
Hunger, Tradition, Porter, Great Players, Pride, Bacon and Cabbage, the club Structure, The Dublin Media, Liam Hayes, Billy Morgan, The Cork Jersey,The Dublin Jersey, Having only 34 All Irelands, Skelping in training, "One medal does not make a collection",Pat Spillane, Tony Davis, Good managers, Darragh has 4 medals but his uncle has 8, good subs, The thought of letting down their county and their club or parish, 2 in a row, The Green and Gold Jersey, The legends, The Wins, The loses. Sam Maguire........
Jaysus I'd better stop or I will cry.
Galvin gets stuck in and does the work a lot of others dont want or dont have the bottle to do. You need players like him to win all irelands.