Martin Breheny has an astonishing piece in today's Independent about a player who, if he "was from Kerry, he'd be a multiple All-Ireland winner after a dozen years at centre-stage."
The role accidents of birth can have in a particular man's career are hardly news. But what I found astonishing was who the particular player Breheny chose is, and what county he's from. I'm not posting the link so we can all guess. I'll give you a hint - it's not Sligo's Eamon O'Hara, or that Leitrim boy that played so well for them at full-back, or Dermot McCabe of Cavan, or the recently retired Declan Browne, or Kildare's Johnny Doyle, or Offaly's Ciarán McManus or Wexford's Mattie Ford or anyone from Antrim or Clare or Carlow or Roscommon, the constant heart of Ireland. Go have a guess.
The Independent ought to be ashamed of themselves. It's an insult to the vast majority of county players who know that only one team can ever win the All-Ireland but go out anyway for the honour of wearing the county colours, and without whom there is no Championship. Shame, shame, shame.
And the player they picked ? :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I have no idea but I'll guess - Jason Sherlock?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 13, 2007, 02:06:36 PM
Martin Breheny has an astonishing piece in today's Independent about a player who, if he "was from Kerry, he'd be a multiple All-Ireland winner after a dozen years at centre-stage."
The role accidents of birth can have in a particular man's career are hardly news. But what I found astonishing was who the particular player Breheny chose is, and what county he's from. I'm not posting the link so we can all guess. I'll give you a hint - it's not Sligo's Eamon O'Hara, or that Leitrim boy that played so well for them at full-back, or Dermot McCabe of Cavan, or the recently retired Declan Browne, or Kildare's Johnny Doyle, or Offaly's Ciarán McManus or Wexford's Mattie Ford or anyone from Antrim or Clare or Carlow or Roscommon, the constant heart of Ireland. Go have a guess.
The Independent ought to be ashamed of themselves. It's an insult to the vast majority of county players who know that only one team can ever win the All-Ireland but go out anyway for the honour of wearing the county colours, and without whom there is no Championship. Shame, shame, shame.
FFS, talk about going out of your way to be offended! ::)
It was a fair comparison between 2 players of the same age, playing the same position, over the same period. Don't try and sensationalise it to any mor ethan that.
graham canty
McDonald?
Just checked it. He was the other one I thought of when your indignation led me to think it might be a Dub.
Didn't read the article but being born in Dublin would be viewed as a misfortune by a lot of GAA folk!!!! (puts on asbestos jacket as he heads for bomb shelter).
McGeeney?
whelo
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2007, 02:19:24 PM
Just checked it. He was the other one I thought of when your indignation led me to think it might be a Dub.
Didn't read the article but being born in Dublin would be viewed as a misfortune by a lot of GAA folk!!!! (puts on asbestos jacket as he heads for bomb shelter).
I think this more accurate ;D
If the player in question stayed out of the pubs around Raheny during the league, he might have some chance of winning the All-Ireland. :D
It's Dublin's Ciarán "Whelo" Whelan.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/born-in-the-wrong-place-996929.html
If Romeo and anyone else who thinks that playing for Dublin puts a man at a disadvantage when it comes to winning medals can PM me, I think I may be able to interest them in a tower property in Paris, France, that will look really well in their portfolios. The vendor is a hurry to sell so you fellas can get a really good deal here. ;)
do i win a prize , if i was born in dublin i would get one ;)
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 13, 2007, 02:26:52 PM
It's Dublin's Ciarán "Whelo" Whelan.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/born-in-the-wrong-place-996929.html
If Romeo and anyone else who thinks that playing for Dublin puts a man at a disadvantage when it comes to winning medals can PM me, I think I may be able to interest them in a tower property in Paris, France, that will look really well in their portfolios. The vendor is a hurry to sell so you fellas can get a really good deal here. ;)
Don't think that at all, don't think the article is insulting anyone that's all! But maybe I'm just not so sensitive!
Quote from: the Deel Rover on July 13, 2007, 02:32:51 PM
do i win a prize , if i was born in dublin i would get one ;)
You wouldn't a prize but you'd prob get a squad place at the very least!!
Didn't know who is was, but I did guess it would be a Dubliner. That said, in hindsight, should have known it was Whelan.
No guarantee that Whelan would have even made the Kerry team if he was a Kerryman never mind be a multiple medal winner over 10 years. It take more than being born in a county to become a legend.
Vinny Murphy was the last Jackeen who thought he could get on the Kerry team, he got a rude awakening, I think he played for our hurlers once or twice though.
This is just another piece of shite to fill space in the Indo on a quite day.
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 13, 2007, 02:45:03 PM
No guarantee that Whelan would have even made the Kerry team if he was a Kerryman never mind be a multiple medal winner over 10 years. It take more than being born in a county to become a legend.
Vinny Murphy was the last Jackeen who thought he could get on the Kerry team, he got a rude awakening, I think he played for our hurlers once or twice though.
This is just another piece of shite to fill space in the Indo on a quite day.
Dublins Enda Sheehy thought a move to Mayo and he could walk onto the team, he was wrong.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 13, 2007, 02:06:36 PM
Martin Breheny has an astonishing piece in today's Independent about a player who, if he "was from Kerry, he'd be a multiple All-Ireland winner after a dozen years at centre-stage."
The role accidents of birth can have in a particular man's career are hardly news. But what I found astonishing was who the particular player Breheny chose is, and what county he's from. I'm not posting the link so we can all guess. I'll give you a hint - it's not Sligo's Eamon O'Hara, or that Leitrim boy that played so well for them at full-back, or Dermot McCabe of Cavan, or the recently retired Declan Browne, or Kildare's Johnny Doyle, or Offaly's Ciarán McManus or Wexford's Mattie Ford or anyone from Antrim or Clare or Carlow or Roscommon, the constant heart of Ireland. Go have a guess.
The Independent ought to be ashamed of themselves. It's an insult to the vast majority of county players who know that only one team can ever win the All-Ireland but go out anyway for the honour of wearing the county colours, and without whom there is no Championship. Shame, shame, shame.
What an unbeliveable over reaction to an article that compared and contrasted teh effect of the place of birth of 2 players that have been dominant forces for their teams for 10 years....
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 13, 2007, 02:45:03 PM
No guarantee that Whelan would have even made the Kerry team if he was a Kerryman never mind be a multiple medal winner over 10 years. It take more than being born in a county to become a legend.
Vinny Murphy was the last Jackeen who thought he could get on the Kerry team, he got a rude awakening, I think he played for our hurlers once or twice though.
This is just another piece of shite to fill space in the Indo on a quite day.
go on ya good thing Kerry Mike sure he is not fit to tie Darraghs Laces ;) ;) ;) i'll sit down now and prepare for the onslaught
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 13, 2007, 02:45:03 PM
No guarantee that Whelan would have even made the Kerry team if he was a Kerryman never mind be a multiple medal winner over 10 years. It take more than being born in a county to become a legend.
Vinny Murphy was the last Jackeen who thought he could get on the Kerry team, he got a rude awakening, I think he played for our hurlers once or twice though.
This is just another piece of shite to fill space in the Indo on a quite day.
I'm not saying I blame Kerry for not picking a non-native, but its a lie to say he wasnt picked because he wasnt good enough. Vinny played some great stuff down there for a couple of years under the Bomber, and would have played senior football for Kerry but for a directive issued from up-high on the Kerry County Board. Like Dublin, Kerry will welcome foreigners onto their hurling team, but not onto their football team.
If Whelan was/is the player that O'Shea was/is he may have won his own All-Ireland's with his own County.
IMHO a much over hyped player in a much over hyped county (but who are good for the game if that makes sense).
Quote from: bingobus on July 13, 2007, 02:52:18 PM
If Whelan was/is the player that O'Shea was/is he may have won his own All-Ireland's with his own County.
IMHO a much over hyped player in a much over hyped county (but who are good for the game if that makes sense).
as clear as mud bingobus ;)
Bingobus will ye do a Sligo on it on Sunday?
Quote from: bingobus on July 13, 2007, 02:52:18 PM
If Whelan was/is the player that O'Shea was/is he may have won his own All-Ireland's with his own County.
If you are trying to say that over the last few years, Whelan's 14 teammates were comparable to O'Se's - then I'm afraid you're talking rubbish.
Comparing Whelan to O'Shea :D
Is it april fools?
Quote from: Take Your Points on July 13, 2007, 02:55:12 PM
So this explains where Whelan is when he goes awol in most games, he's over in the opposition dugout to discuss the possibility of moving from Dublin to a county where he might win something! :D
;D
Bullshit article, they used to say the same about Paddy Christie. Dara even outfielded him in the Walker crisps ads.
If I remember right, in '01 for the replay they started Whelan wing forward 'cos Dara cleaned him out the first day.
Christ what a lazy way to fill up a half page of a newspaper.....
Of all the footballers in the country he picks Ciaran Whelan ?
Number one on the "born in the wrong place" list HAS to be Declan Browne. He *Would* get on any panel in the country including Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin etc.
And man for man our own Eamon O'Hara is well above Ciaran Whelan as well. Ciarans a great player but hes never being that great.
With Declan after recently retiring from inter-county you'd think that an article like this would have being about him, a man who truely was denied fistfuls of medals because of geography.
Quote from: Fishead_Sam on July 13, 2007, 02:53:37 PM
Bingobus will ye do a Sligo on it on Sunday?
I have my reservations, hopefully wrong but think it may be just a step too far. Still could get to All-ireland semi I reckon though if we can avoid Kerry or Tyrone again till then. Team is very young and an Ulster awaits in the next year or two.
Hound..not saying that but if he played for full games and controlled games that O'Shea has then maybe Dublin may have won a few games they narrowly lost. Dublin have been close in the past and if I'm honest they have been All-Irelands won in the last decade that where there for the taking, even by team that is not classed as "great".
Fair point Sligeach, for the week that's in it that's the best that Breheny could come up with!? They deserve each other (Indo + Breheny).
Quotefor the week that's in it that's the best that Breheny could come up with!? They deserve each other (Indo + Breheny).
This is the type of stuff that makes us country bucks see Dublin as the media darlings and over-hyped. It's not their fault but its bloody annoying.
Tell you what - if Ó'Sé was born in Dublin instead and Whelan was born in Kerry I reckon Ó'Sé would still have more All-Ireland medals.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2007, 03:09:31 PM
Tell you what - if Ó'Sé was born in Dublin instead and Whelan was born in Kerry I reckon Ó'Sé would still have more All-Ireland medals.
He would if only because Whelan wouldn't have gotten on the starting 15 of Kerry.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2007, 03:09:31 PM
Quotefor the week that's in it that's the best that Breheny could come up with!? They deserve each other (Indo + Breheny).
This is the type of stuff that makes us country bucks see Dublin as the media darlings and over-hyped. It's not their fault but its bloody annoying.
Tell you what - if Ó'Sé was born in Dublin instead and Whelan was born in Kerry I reckon Ó'Sé would still have more All-Ireland medals.
That was the point that I was trying (poorly) to make earlier. Well put.
Imagine the misfortune - to be born into the most populated county in the country and the county with the second most All Ireland titles in history. Poor Ciarán.
If I coulda picked a midfielder to partner Paul McGrane over the past 5 years, he'd be nowhere near the top of the list.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 13, 2007, 03:18:55 PM
Imagine the misfortune - to be born into the most populated county in the country and the county with the second most All Ireland titles in history. Poor Ciarán.
If I coulda picked a midfielder to partner Paul McGrane over the past 5 years, he'd be nowhere near the top of the list.
Who would u have picked ?
Quote from: Kerry Mike on July 13, 2007, 02:45:03 PM
No guarantee that Whelan would have even made the Kerry team if he was a Kerryman never mind be a multiple medal winner over 10 years. It take more than being born in a county to become a legend.
Vinny Murphy was the last Jackeen who thought he could get on the Kerry team, he got a rude awakening, I think he played for our hurlers once or twice though.
This is just another piece of shite to fill space in the Indo on a quite day.
Agree its a stupid article alright but have to say Ciaran Whelan would have walked on to the Kerry team for the last 12 years...I'm not saying he's as good as Dara O'Se because he's not, but he's definitely better than any other midfielder kerry have produced over the last 12 years
Whelan is the most overly criticised player in the GAA...no matter what the man does the same line is thrown out about him going missing in games...yes he goes missing in games but so does every other midfielder in the country, no one can dominate midfield for 70mins not even Dara O'Se
Do you really think Vinnie Murphy wanted to play for Kerry?? I dont know myself what his reasons were for moving down there but I would be shocked if he wanted to line out for the kingdom...obviously kerry had no need for Vinnie Murphy as ye have such an amount of quality players down there and it would be ridculous to have a 'foreign' player in your side when you have that talent at your disposal but at the same time thats not a bad reflection on Vinnie Murphy because he would have been an asset to any county panel in his prime...
Quote from: Stagmeister on July 13, 2007, 03:46:58 PM
thats not a bad reflection on Vinnie Murphy because he would have been an asset to any county panel in his prime...
.... except Dublin, of course, who didn't want to play him either. :D
I hope Whelo doesn't look at this thread. His confidence will be shattered for Sunday.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 13, 2007, 03:50:04 PM
.... except Dublin, of course, who didn't want to play him either. :D
That was only after he went on the pies...but in my opinion he should still have been getting his game
Remember when he came on against kerry in thurles and buried the ball in the back of the net??
He was a great man to take a long ball and swing it over the bar...would walk on to the current Dublin team (the way their forwards are playing thats not saying very much)
QuoteWho would u have picked ?
Well O Sé sticks out as the obvious choice although maybe he's too similar to McGrane. Probably a toss up between Cavanagh and O'Hara. O'Hara's goal scoring prowess might swing it in his favour although its a switch that will unfortunately never be made!
If Peter the Great had been born in Kerry, you'd never have heard of Maurice Fitzgerald....
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 13, 2007, 04:05:20 PM
QuoteWho would u have picked ?
Well O Sé sticks out as the obvious choice although maybe he's too similar to McGrane. Probably a toss up between Cavanagh and O'Hara. O'Hara's goal scoring prowess might swing it in his favour although its a switch that will unfortunately never be made!
I was actually thinking Eamon myself although i'm obviously biased.
I wouldn't exactly have considered his goal scoring ability as his best feature. The man runs like a train through defences and no offence to my own county but he practically did 2002 on his own.
I dont know why all the indignation !!!
Theres bound to be fellas in Kerry pissed off, by the very fact they werent born in dublin, they dont have the compulsory "chip" on the shoulder !!
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2007, 04:12:28 PM
If Peter the Great had been born in Kerry, you'd never have heard of Maurice Fitzgerald....
Ah now ONeill, you don't even believe that yourself.
Give the Kerrymen some credit, noones going to bite that :P
QuoteI wouldn't exactly have considered his goal scoring ability as his best feature. The man runs like a train through defences and no offence to my own county but he practically did 2002 on his own.
he got a great goal against Tyrone in 02 didn't he or is my memory failing me? Also always struck as the sort of player who can really light up a match with an inspirational lung bursting run. A very different player to McGrane but I think either O'Hara or Cavanagh would have been the perfect foil to Paul.
Quote from: TacadoirArdMhacha on July 13, 2007, 04:18:21 PM
QuoteI wouldn't exactly have considered his goal scoring ability as his best feature. The man runs like a train through defences and no offence to my own county but he practically did 2002 on his own.
he got a great goal against Tyrone in 02 sisn't he or is my memory failing me? Also always struck as the sort of player who can really light up a match with an inspirational lung bursting run. A very different player to McGrane but I think either O'Hara or Cavanagh would have been the perfect foil to Paul.
Yes, your memory's failing you
Quotehe got a great goal against Tyrone in 02 sisn't he or is my memory failing me?
No that was the great Dessie Sloyan. In the week that's in it I'll salute him. A pity he didn't last long enough to claim a deserved medal but he did more than most to get one.
Quote from: Stagmeister on July 13, 2007, 03:46:58 PM
Agree its a stupid article alright but have to say Ciaran Whelan would have walked on to the Kerry team for the last 12 years...I'm not saying he's as good as Dara O'Se because he's not, but he's definitely better than any other midfielder kerry have produced over the last 12 years
Whelan is the most overly criticised player in the GAA...no matter what the man does the same line is thrown out about him going missing in games...yes he goes missing in games but so does every other midfielder in the country, no one can dominate midfield for 70mins not even Dara O'Se
Do you really think Vinnie Murphy wanted to play for Kerry?? I dont know myself what his reasons were for moving down there but I would be shocked if he wanted to line out for the kingdom...obviously kerry had no need for Vinnie Murphy as ye have such an amount of quality players down there and it would be ridculous to have a 'foreign' player in your side when you have that talent at your disposal but at the same time thats not a bad reflection on Vinnie Murphy because he would have been an asset to any county panel in his prime...
Yes, Vinny did want to play for Kerry. Sure, he did play for their hurlers. Vinny's a bit mad. A lot actually!
The Bomber raved at his performances for the club down there. Vinny was told he was on the Kerry football panel, but then the media got hold of it and were going to make a big deal about it, so the Kerry County Board quickly put a stop to it.
Truly unbelievable some of the comments on here about Whelan. Ignorance knows no bounds.
We would have been a hellava lot worse off without him.
Quote from: sligeach on July 13, 2007, 04:16:32 PM
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2007, 04:12:28 PM
If Peter the Great had been born in Kerry, you'd never have heard of Maurice Fitzgerald....
Ah now ONeill, you don't even believe that yourself.
Give the Kerrymen some credit, noones going to bite that :P
I'm telling you. Kerry's poor team at that time made him look good. He was no better than Joey Cunningham. If Fitzgerald had been born a Tyrone man, we'd have made a player out of him.
CJ McGourty - if this lad was born in Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin or Cork he'd be the new Gooch. Unfortunately he's going to be a Mattie Forde or Declan Browne and never grace the big day in September.
I can only apologise! So much to remember from that year, you'll forgive me if some of it is a bit hazy.
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2007, 04:22:16 PM
No that was the great Dessie Sloyan. In the week that's in it I'll salute him. A pity he didn't last long enough to claim a deserved medal but he did more than most to get one.
Unfortunate that Sloyan missed out on a medal alright...they could seriously do with someone like him in the team at the moment too...if they had him last weekend they would have won that game by 5-6 points easy...
Prince Harry & Ciaran Whelan both misunderstood :D
Quote from: ONeill on July 13, 2007, 04:22:59 PM
I'm telling you. Kerry's poor team at that time made him look good. He was no better than Joey Cunningham. If Fitzgerald had been born a Tyrone man, we'd have made a player out of him.
CJ McGourty - if this lad was born in Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin or Cork he'd be the new Gooch. Unfortunately he's going to be a Mattie Forde or Declan Browne and never grace the big day in September.
Right i'm afraid i'm going to have to bite .....
Its true enough that Kerry team wasn't the greatest but Fitzgerald was pure magic. Jesus don't you remember the scores he got ?
I know your only taking the piss but still.
Quote from: Stagmeister on July 13, 2007, 04:28:56 PM
Unfortunate that Sloyan missed out on a medal alright...they could seriously do with someone like him in the team at the moment too...if they had him last weekend they would have won that game by 5-6 points easy...
Thats for sure.
Seanie, is there any chance of him making a comeback for the next match ? :)
I was reading his "profile" on hoganstand.
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE REMEMBERED? As a person who was always there when they were needed mostWouldn't he be welcome now.
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QuoteIf Peter the Great had been born in Kerry, you'd never have heard of Maurice Fitzgerald....
There is only room for one God in our Kingdom and Fitzy has that title sown up.
If Maurice Fitzgerald was born in Tyrone....
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:BqcfVAtDz0Le8M:http://www.olympics.org.uk)
...Olympic diving champion...!!
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on July 14, 2007, 01:03:37 AM
If Maurice Fitzgerald was born in Tyrone....
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As a neutral coming from a county who fell victim to Peter's most notorious "dive" of all,for the penalty which turned the 2003 Ulster final,I'd like to join the debate on who was best between Peter and Maurice.
I think Peter has the edge,as I can never remembering him playing a match and not having a major influence on the game,or not inspiring those around him.
Maurice was a delightful footballer who was blessed with height Peter didn't have,yet on a few occasions he did not have a major influence on the game he was playing in.There were times when he made himself unavailable for his county,for whatever reason,and looking on from the outside ,he didn't appear to make the same effort to inspire those around him.
Much as it pains me to say it Canavan was the outstanding footballer of his generation given that he matched sublime skill,with an outstanding attitude to the game.He was no angel,but in my view he was the most significant player in every game he played in.
Quote from: Stagmeister on July 13, 2007, 04:28:56 PM
Quote from: magpie seanie on July 13, 2007, 04:22:16 PM
No that was the great Dessie Sloyan. In the week that's in it I'll salute him. A pity he didn't last long enough to claim a deserved medal but he did more than most to get one.
Unfortunate that Sloyan missed out on a medal alright...they could seriously do with someone like him in the team at the moment too...if they had him last weekend they would have won that game by 5-6 points easy...
Was delighted for Sligo when the final whistle went but my first thought was for Dessie, was a great player for Muredeachs back in the day