2025 Ulster Senior Football Championship
Preliminary round
Donegal v Derry - Sunday 6th April at Ballybofey, 2pm
Quarter-Finals
Antrim v Armagh - Saturday 12th April at Corrigan Park, tbc
Tyrone v Cavan - Sunday 13th April at O'Neills Healy Park, 4.15pm
Fermanagh v Down - Saturday 19th April at Brewster Park, 4.00pm
Donegal/Derry v Monaghan - Sunday 20th April at Clones/Celtic Park, 2.00pm
Semi-Finals
Antrim/Armagh v Tyrone/Cavan - Saturday 26th April at TBC, 4.15pm
Fermanagh/Down v Donegal/Derry/Monaghan - Sunday 27th April at TBC, 3.00pm
Final
Antrim/Armagh/Tyrone/Cavan V Fermanagh/Down/Donegal/Derry/Monaghan - Sunday 11th May, 1:45pm
From what I know, two main doubts for Donegal are Jason McGee and Paddy McBrearty. McGee hasn't featured yet this year, so no idea where he's at or if we'll see him before the groups.
Think we're in good shape otherwise, with Langan getting a run out on Sunday, two additional potential starting backs (Roarty and McFadden Ferry) in the squad, and with the league final bullet dodged. 🙂
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on March 25, 2025, 10:16:10 AMSemi-Finals
Antrim/Armagh v Tyrone/Cavan - Saturday 26th April at TBC, 4.15pm
Fermanagh/Down v Donegal/Derry/Monaghan - Sunday 27th April at TBC, 3.00pm
Armagh seemingly playing early on Saturday for two games in a row if they beat Antrim.
Given the probabilities, it would have made more sense to have this game on the Sunday, as Clones is the obvious venue for any combination other than Antrim/Tyrone. The other semi final could be played in Omagh or Armagh under floodlights later on a Saturday.
Nobody can accuse the Ulster council of being the grab all association anyway, as they are not maximising attendance in any way.
I see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
The premier provincial Championship, put her in Croke surely
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2025, 03:07:13 PMI see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
why?
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:26:24 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2025, 03:07:13 PMI see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
why?
Cause the ulster council think it's a forgone conclusion that Donegal V Armagh final. They've already lined up the ladies final for same day as they think both counties will be in it.
Let the other 7 counties ruin the Ukster Councils plans.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2025, 07:59:01 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:26:24 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2025, 03:07:13 PMI see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
why?
Cause the ulster council think it's a forgone conclusion that Donegal V Armagh final. They've already lined up the ladies final for same day as they think both counties will be in it.
Let the other 7 counties ruin the Ukster Councils plans.
Well that combination is very likely for the ladies final, less so for the men. As for ruining the Ulster council one county has already done its bit.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2025, 09:16:36 AMQuote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2025, 07:59:01 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:26:24 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2025, 03:07:13 PMI see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
why?
Cause the ulster council think it's a forgone conclusion that Donegal V Armagh final. They've already lined up the ladies final for same day as they think both counties will be in it.
Let the other 7 counties ruin the Ukster Councils plans.
Well that combination is very likely for the ladies final, less so for the men. As for ruining the Ulster council one county has already done its bit.
Keep punching down
The Ulster council have taken a serious financial hit this year to date, no McKenna cup which we know as well attended and off course the embarrassing attempt to take the Antrim/Armagh game away from Corrigan park to make extra money off the back of Armagh supporters. The only reason the game could move to Croke Park.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2025, 07:59:01 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:26:24 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2025, 03:07:13 PMI see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
why?
Cause the ulster council think it's a forgone conclusion that Donegal V Armagh final. They've already lined up the ladies final for same day as they think both counties will be in it.
Let the other 7 counties ruin the Ukster Councils plans.
How could they think its a foregone conclusion?
On their day, there is f**k all between Donegal, Derry, Tyrone, Armagh and arguably Monaghan.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2025, 07:59:01 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:26:24 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2025, 03:07:13 PMI see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
why?
Cause the ulster council think it's a forgone conclusion that Donegal V Armagh final. They've already lined up the ladies final for same day as they think both counties will be in it.
Let the other 7 counties ruin the Ukster Councils plans.
Armagh will not be competing in this year's Ulster final.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk87a7r0V60
Quote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2025, 07:59:01 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:26:24 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2025, 03:07:13 PMI see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
why?
Cause the ulster council think it's a forgone conclusion that Donegal V Armagh final. They've already lined up the ladies final for same day as they think both counties will be in it.
Let the other 7 counties ruin the Ukster Councils plans.
I highly doubt anyone see's an Armagh Donegal final as a foregone conclusion. Donegal should come through their side more than likely, but assuming Armagh and Tyrone meet in the semi it is a 50:50 game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 26, 2025, 05:49:43 PMI highly doubt anyone see's an Armagh Donegal final as a foregone conclusion. Donegal should come through their side more than likely, but assuming Armagh and Tyrone meet in the semi it is a 50:50 game.
Donegal will have to play two teams, Monaghan and Derry, with a reasonable chance of tripping them up and some chance of an upset in the Ulster final, look at Down last year. Donegal could pick an injury or two along the way to a key man.
There is probably scope for some arbitrage on the betting, Boylesports have Donegal at 11/8 to win Ulster and I wouldn't take that, they have to get to the final and the winners of Armagh and Tyrone would be pretty much an even game. Paddypower have Donegal at 2/1, but seem to favour Tyrone over Armagh, so PP are not certain that either Donegal or Armagh will reach the final, and they know their business, probably are more professionally run than the Ulster council.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2025, 09:16:36 AMQuote from: snoopdog on March 26, 2025, 07:59:01 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:26:24 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on March 25, 2025, 03:07:13 PMI see journalist John Fogarty on the Irish Examiner has said "serious chance of Ulster final returning to Croke Park this year" good idea or leave it in Clones?
why?
Cause the ulster council think it's a forgone conclusion that Donegal V Armagh final. They've already lined up the ladies final for same day as they think both counties will be in it.
Let the other 7 counties ruin the Ukster Councils plans.
Well that combination is very likely for the ladies final, less so for the men. As for ruining the Ulster council one county has already done its bit.
Assuming you are referring to Antrim but you couldn't be more wrong
Quote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:35:16 PMAssuming you are referring to Antrim but you couldn't be more wrong
In what way am I wrong? Antrim deprived the Ulster council of revenue. You may think that is a good thing, but you cannot deny it.
Boylesports odds for reaching Ulster final
Donegal 4/7
Armagh 4/5
Tyrone 11/8
Monaghan 7/2
Derry 4/1
Down 6/1
Cavan 14/1
Antrim 33/1
Fermanagh 33/1
Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2025, 08:51:50 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:35:16 PMAssuming you are referring to Antrim but you couldn't be more wrong
In what way am I wrong? Antrim deprived the Ulster council of revenue. You may think that is a good thing, but you cannot deny it.
Boylesports odds for reaching Ulster final
Donegal 4/7
Armagh 4/5
Tyrone 11/8
Monaghan 7/2
Derry 4/1
Down 6/1
Cavan 14/1
Antrim 33/1
Fermanagh 33/1
Then every county that doesn't have the seating of clones in the county pitch is depriving the Ulster council of revenue if they don't agree to move it to Clones. Idiotic take.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2025, 08:51:50 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on March 26, 2025, 07:35:16 PMAssuming you are referring to Antrim but you couldn't be more wrong
In what way am I wrong? Antrim deprived the Ulster council of revenue. You may think that is a good thing, but you cannot deny it.
Boylesports odds for reaching Ulster final
Donegal 4/7
Armagh 4/5
Tyrone 11/8
Monaghan 7/2
Derry 4/1
Down 6/1
Cavan 14/1
Antrim 33/1
Fermanagh 33/1
Boo hoo.
Quote from: armaghniac on March 26, 2025, 06:11:21 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on March 26, 2025, 05:49:43 PMI highly doubt anyone see's an Armagh Donegal final as a foregone conclusion. Donegal should come through their side more than likely, but assuming Armagh and Tyrone meet in the semi it is a 50:50 game.
Donegal will have to play two teams, Monaghan and Derry, with a reasonable chance of tripping them up and some chance of an upset in the Ulster final, look at Down last year. Donegal could pick an injury or two along the way to a key man.
There is probably scope for some arbitrage on the betting, Boylesports have Donegal at 11/8 to win Ulster and I wouldn't take that, they have to get to the final and the winners of Armagh and Tyrone would be pretty much an even game. Paddypower have Donegal at 2/1, but seem to favour Tyrone over Armagh, so PP are not certain that either Donegal or Armagh will reach the final, and they know their business, probably are more professionally run than the Ulster council.
I've seen car boot sales run more professionally than the Ulster Council
Anyone know is Paddy Lynch back playing for Cavan?
No he had a setback. Might not feature at County level this year.
Quote from: rodney trotter on March 28, 2025, 10:21:44 AMNo he had a setback. Might not feature at County level this year.
Disappointing he would have been a player worth watching under new rules.
Walk in the park for Donegal this weekend.
Will probably win Ulster at a canter now that Messiah #2 is back in the fold.
Donegal for Sam.
8)
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 01, 2025, 10:49:42 AMWalk in the park for Donegal this weekend.
Will probably win Ulster at a canter now that Messiah #2 is back in the fold.
Donegal for Sam.
8)
I think Donegal will get by Derry with reasonable comfort.
Currently, I would hold them as slight favourites for both Ulster and the AI, but multiple teams are capable of knocking them out of these competitions. Ulster is never a walk in the park.
The All-Ireland hasn't been this open for a long time.
How are Donegal shaping up for this weekend? Any injuries of note?
Murphy expected to start?
Derry could struggle to get 15 fit players on the field so should be handy enough for Donegal. Or will it? ;D
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What's the over/under on likely changes to both starting teams there from the named 15?
Donegal team in particular look like there is serious scope for a few last minute switches, Derry slightly less so. Looks to be a bit of a gap in terms of the Derry bench v the Donegal bench.
I'll be amazed if Oisin Gallen doesn't start for Aaron Doherty, but that aside, with Jason McGee only edging his way back, I think the Donegal line-up will be close enough. Keep McBrearty, Brennan and Murphy as impact subs. Two strong defenders in Curran and McMenamin to come on as well.
A handful of Jimmy's named bench will be starters come throw in.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 04, 2025, 02:53:09 PMA handful of Jimmy's named bench will be starters come throw in.
Who apart from Gallen?
One other possibility is whether Niall O'Donnell, usually a half-forward, would be left as one of the three men up.
Maybe McBrearty (if he's fit) or Brennan starts in place.
Quote from: Goals_Will_Come on April 04, 2025, 01:50:27 PM(https://highlandradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/donegal-team-v-derry.png)
Looks like the only O'Donnell not named on the team is Daniel.
I'd be amazed if that's the Donegal team that starts... in the same vein if the Derry team doesn't start as named I'd be very disappointed as it's the strongest 15 we have available.
I'm fearing the worst though I can't see anything other than a comfortable Donegal victory. I hope I'm wrong!
3 changes for Donegal
Michael Murphy for Michael Langan
Odhran McFadden Ferry for Niall O Donnell and Patrick McBrearty for Aaron Doherty
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 06, 2025, 01:37:36 PM3 changes for Donegal
Michael Murphy for Michael Langan
Odhran McFadden Ferry for Niall O Donnell and Patrick McBrearty for Aaron Doherty
No big surprise there would be changes but didn't expect Murphy to start. Derry play as named.
3 handy wins for Donegal, Wickloand Meath. Predictable starting weekend for championship.
Donegal could have played full team in league final and B team today. Game over already with that missed penalty.
If Derry had taken their chances then they'd be well ahead.
Quote from: LarryStiles on April 06, 2025, 02:12:13 PMDonegal could have played full team in league final and B team today. Game over already with that missed penalty.
Donegal were not even in league final.
That was a good clean tackle by Rogers there.
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2025, 02:30:04 PMThat was a good clean tackle by Rogers there.
Did he not signal it was within 4m of the mark?
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2025, 02:30:04 PMThat was a good clean tackle by Rogers there.
I thought it was good, but to give away two 50m advances is poor from Rodgers. Derry just no confidence in front of goal.
Surely Tally needs to swap out Mc Nicholl now.
Half time Donegal 1-12 Derry 1-5. That goal before the break a possible killer for Derry.
Donegal lucky not to give away a number of free due to a number of behind tackles. Derry standing off players far too often, little pressure on donegal shooters
Derry making a mockery of the new rules playing slow controlled football. We've had chances but haven't taken them and too many players juts not at this level. Toner/Cassidy have barely had hands on the ball. Higgins and McGuigan have done very little and the keeper has been poor I'm surprised there's only 7 in it.
If someone could mark O'Baoil it would be all square!!
This is not over, that's a big wind. Donegal will get very little 2 pointers in second half.
Surprised at how easy Derry have cut through the middle of the Donegal defence a number of times, it's just due to poor decision making that they haven't knocked over another few scores. Donegal getting their scores much easier at the other end, Derry defenders look a bit naive with the space they're offering the forwards.
Derry really need to use the wind in the second half if they're to have a chance in get back into this
Murphy still a dirty dirty git with the closed fist tackle. Should have been a red
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 06, 2025, 03:04:49 PMMurphy still a dirty dirty git with the closed fist tackle. Should have been a red
Definitely a closed fist
Quote from: shantygael on April 06, 2025, 03:06:23 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 06, 2025, 03:04:49 PMMurphy still a dirty dirty git with the closed fist tackle. Should have been a red
Definitely a closed fist
No surprise
Just box lads in the stomach and it's a yellow??!
Didn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
What do Derry see in McNicholl in goals honestly?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:13:32 PMWhat do Derry see in McNicholl in goals honestly?
We've got nobody else
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:13:32 PMWhat do Derry see in McNicholl in goals honestly?
Tally seems to be the only man that sees something. He's not a keeper in any way shape or form.
Quote from: screenexile on April 06, 2025, 03:14:35 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:13:32 PMWhat do Derry see in McNicholl in goals honestly?
We've got nobody else
We have actual lads that are goalkeepers at the very least
How was that not a free for derry. Donegal player ran straight through the back of him
Double figures in it now. I don't know what Tally has been doing honestly.
Maybe they could try man marking McBrearty.
Derry have thrown in the towel.
Harte left that Derry team totally clueless and demorilised; bless him! .. to think two years ago they were All Ireland material.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 06, 2025, 03:25:37 PMHarte left that Derry team totally clueless and demorilised; bless him! .. to think two years ago they were All Ireland material.
Wouldn't necessarily blame Harte.
But jeez they've been atrocious today
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:28:40 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 06, 2025, 03:25:37 PMHarte left that Derry team totally clueless and demorilised; bless him! .. to think two years ago they were All Ireland material.
Wouldn't necessarily blame Harte.
But jeez they've been atrocious today
I'd blame Rory's ex-wife!
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:28:40 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 06, 2025, 03:25:37 PMHarte left that Derry team totally clueless and demorilised; bless him! .. to think two years ago they were All Ireland material.
Wouldn't necessarily blame Harte.
But jeez they've been atrocious today
They had to get harte so they need to suck it up. Would help if the players stop talking about gallagher.
Donegal have a formidable look about them but Derry have been disappointing. RG had the midas touch with the Derry lads and he gaz not been adequately replaced.
Quote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 12:30:45 PMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 12:11:22 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 11:45:58 AMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 11:12:03 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
That's not happening 🇮🇩
You think Derry will beat Donegal in the preliminary round?
Yes, have said it since the draw was made.
Bless your optimism.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 06, 2025, 03:30:50 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:28:40 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 06, 2025, 03:25:37 PMHarte left that Derry team totally clueless and demorilised; bless him! .. to think two years ago they were All Ireland material.
Wouldn't necessarily blame Harte.
But jeez they've been atrocious today
They had to get harte so they need to suck it up. Would help if the players stop talking about gallagher.
Unfortunately this is a 100% correct.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:33:03 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 12:30:45 PMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 12:11:22 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 11:45:58 AMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 11:12:03 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
That's not happening 🇮🇩
You think Derry will beat Donegal in the preliminary round?
Yes, have said it since the draw was made.
Bless your optimism.
To be fair if the penalty went in and Murphy had of been red carded as he should have been it would be a completely different game
The game has went exactly as everyone expected...
Murphy should have got a red for that dog though and it would be a very different game.
Philly McMahon shouldn't be let near a television either 🤦
Quote from: downtothecore on April 06, 2025, 03:31:42 PMDonegal have a formidable look about them but Derry have been disappointing. RG had the midas touch with the Derry lads and he gaz not been adequately replaced.
Despite what the media would lead you to believe they were actually a great watch under RG.
Scored some great counter attacking scores
Donegal 1-25 Derry 1-15. Donegal will be hard stopped in Ulster once more. Derry probably need the handful of weeks of training prep time before the group stage as they seek improvement.
Did BBC give Rogers Man of the match?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:40:57 PMQuote from: downtothecore on April 06, 2025, 03:31:42 PMDonegal have a formidable look about them but Derry have been disappointing. RG had the midas touch with the Derry lads and he gaz not been adequately replaced.
Despite what the media would lead you to believe they were actually a great watch under RG.
Scored some great counter attacking scores
If you aren't a Kerry or Dublin and you don't have an elite manager then you may forget about it. As Cahair said in article in IN during week it's more important than any underage success.
Quote from: Mario on April 06, 2025, 04:10:06 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:40:57 PMQuote from: downtothecore on April 06, 2025, 03:31:42 PMDonegal have a formidable look about them but Derry have been disappointing. RG had the midas touch with the Derry lads and he gaz not been adequately replaced.
Despite what the media would lead you to believe they were actually a great watch under RG.
Scored some great counter attacking scores
If you aren't a Kerry or Dublin and you don't have an elite manager then you may forget about it. As Cahair said in article in IN during week it's more important than any underage success.
What's an 'elite manager'?
Quote from: marty34 on April 06, 2025, 04:16:15 PMQuote from: Mario on April 06, 2025, 04:10:06 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:40:57 PMQuote from: downtothecore on April 06, 2025, 03:31:42 PMDonegal have a formidable look about them but Derry have been disappointing. RG had the midas touch with the Derry lads and he gaz not been adequately replaced.
Despite what the media would lead you to believe they were actually a great watch under RG.
Scored some great counter attacking scores
If you aren't a Kerry or Dublin and you don't have an elite manager then you may forget about it. As Cahair said in article in IN during week it's more important than any underage success.
What's an 'elite manager'?
McGuinness, McGeeney, Gallagher. A big personality who makes every team he takes better.
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on April 06, 2025, 03:12:10 PMDidn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
Where have you been tge last 3
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on April 06, 2025, 03:12:10 PMDidn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
Where have you been the last 30 years ;D
Routine win for Donegal. Derry looked well up for it early on, but the last ten minutes of the first half Daire O'Baoill put in a tour de force to pull Donegal clear, despite the Derry goal and then the mini-burst after half time.
Don't think Derry scoring the penalty would have made much difference in the long run, but Murphy escaping a red might have, given that it came during those couple of minutes when Derry were winning the Patton kick out and closing the gap. After that, Donegal made hay on the Derry kick out and put the game to bed fairly quickly.
Impressive debut for young Roarty, even getting up for a point. McBrearty was superb, as was O'Baoill, Moore, Conor and Shane O'Donnell and Thompson and Big Hughie. Good shape going forward if we can get McGee and Langan fit. Eoin Ban didn't get a run at all either.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2025, 04:30:32 PMQuote from: Armaghtothebone on April 06, 2025, 03:12:10 PMDidn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
Where have you been tge last 3Quote from: Armaghtothebone on April 06, 2025, 03:12:10 PMDidn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
Where have you been the last 30 years ;D
True... it's been like that a while 😎
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kXzrjfQgLiw
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 06, 2025, 04:41:14 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2025, 04:30:32 PMQuote from: Armaghtothebone on April 06, 2025, 03:12:10 PMDidn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
Where have you been tge last 3Quote from: Armaghtothebone on April 06, 2025, 03:12:10 PMDidn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
Where have you been the last 30 years ;D
True... it's been like that a while 😎
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kXzrjfQgLiw
Still find it mad that 2 bounces and a solo took him to the 14 from the halfway line
Quote from: Nanderson on April 06, 2025, 04:51:12 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 06, 2025, 04:41:14 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 06, 2025, 04:30:32 PMQuote from: Armaghtothebone on April 06, 2025, 03:12:10 PMDidn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
Where have you been tge last 3Quote from: Armaghtothebone on April 06, 2025, 03:12:10 PMDidn't know the new rules were also allowing players to run 10 steps without a bounce or solo
Where have you been the last 30 years ;D
True... it's been like that a while 😎
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kXzrjfQgLiw
Still find it mad that 2 bounces and a solo took him to the 14 from the halfway line
The last bit from the bounce to he kicked the goal! I was at the match.. it was so obvious. Cudnt believe the ref let it go.
Quote from: J70 on April 06, 2025, 04:40:38 PMRoutine win for Donegal. Derry looked well up for it early on, but the last ten minutes of the first half Daire O'Baoill put in a tour de force to pull Donegal clear, despite the Derry goal and then the mini-burst after half time.
Don't think Derry scoring the penalty would have made much difference in the long run, but Murphy escaping a red might have, given that it came during those couple of minutes when Derry were winning the Patton kick out and closing the gap. After that, Donegal made hay on the Derry kick out and put the game to bed fairly quickly.
Impressive debut for young Roarty, even getting up for a point. McBrearty was superb, as was O'Baoill, Moore, Conor and Shane O'Donnell and Thompson and Big Hughie. Good shape going forward if we can get McGee and Langan fit. Eoin Ban didn't get a run at all either.
Think he's a brilliant young player but he really struggled physically with Murray, hence the half time change.
Donegal seem to have built up a really strong panel now as you say. Think you will be even better with Gallen starting. Not sure on starting Murphy.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 06, 2025, 03:33:03 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 12:30:45 PMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 12:11:22 PMQuote from: JoG2 on March 25, 2025, 11:45:58 AMQuote from: Spiderlegs on March 25, 2025, 11:12:03 AMQuote from: gallsman on March 25, 2025, 10:14:01 AMWith so much underage county and schools success in both Derry and Tyrone the last few years, D2 not a bad spot at all to really blood some fresh faces.
Would expect the pair of them to come back up handily enough.
Unless there are radical improvements in the Likes of Louth, Cork, Meath, Cavan then Tyrone and Derry will be promoted at a canter.
Derry's 1 point in the League made for false reading in my eyes. The Kerry game was farcical and should have been closed out. As should Donegal when leading well with 10 minutes to go. I would imagine Donegal will take them out in Ulster but they can then go and disappear into the background and go about their work quietly in preparation for the group stages where they will hope to come back nearer to full strength.
Tyrone very unfortunate to be relegated on 7 points. Periods of inconsistencies for sure but Tyrone have had worse league campaigns than this and stayed up. The likely Ulster Semi Final match up with Armagh (no disrespect to Cavan/Antrim) should be a good one. Tyrone's forward line looks very dangerous, so many "pocket rocket" style players that are hard to track in these new rules. And the midfield pairing is very strong.
That's not happening 🇮🇩
You think Derry will beat Donegal in the preliminary round?
Yes, have said it since the draw was made.
Bless your optimism.
Well, in my defence, I never thought in a million years Tally wouldnt pick a goalkeeper to start in the championship.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 06, 2025, 03:25:37 PMHarte left that Derry team totally clueless and demorilised; bless him! .. to think two years ago they were All Ireland material.
People talk as if Derry were the best team in the country before Harte took over. They haven't got further than a semi final since 1993. Harte took over and won them their first national title in 16 years.
Which is more plausible? The last 2 managers who have won multiple all Irelands and been successful with several other counties are the reason stopping Derry winning Sam or would it be that Derry just aren't as good as the Derry natives think?
Quote from: Mario on April 06, 2025, 04:10:06 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 06, 2025, 03:40:57 PMQuote from: downtothecore on April 06, 2025, 03:31:42 PMDonegal have a formidable look about them but Derry have been disappointing. RG had the midas touch with the Derry lads and he gaz not been adequately replaced.
Despite what the media would lead you to believe they were actually a great watch under RG.
Scored some great counter attacking scores
If you aren't a Kerry or Dublin and you don't have an elite manager then you may forget about it. As Cahair said in article in IN during week it's more important than any underage success.
Kerry have won 1 all Ireland in the last 10 years. The only one they won was when coached by paddy tally. Harte and Tally brought Tyrone their first all Ireland and Harte ended up winning 3 with them. If that doesn't qualify them as elite then I'd love to know what would.
Look at the way Harte last year and Tally this year have f**ked around with the goalkeeping role. It messed the team up both years. You say Tally elite? The only country team he managed was Down and he took them bck not forward. He was a high thought of as a coach but he been found out in a manager role.
There no editor for bad words on here anymore, having to edit it myself lol.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 07, 2025, 09:08:26 AMLook at the way Harte last year and Tally this year have f**ked around with the goalkeeping role. It messed the team up both years. You say Tally elite? The only country team he managed was Down and he took them bck not forward. He was a high thought of as a coach but he been found out in a manager role.
If there much options in the GK area tho? I spoke to a couple of mates from Derry and they reckon there's no stand out candidates for keeper.
Tally is an excellent coach. No idea what he's like for a manager tho. But it was Derry that left themselves in the mess regarding getting a manager in. Too much looking over the shoulder hoping to get Gallagher back in when it was never really going to happen.
Where would they go after Tally?
Blaming Tally for Derry's woes is a tad much.
The new rules mean teams need to register about 25 points to win a 70 min game.
Derry have one intercounty standard forward. That's the start and the end of their problems. No manager can fill that void.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 07, 2025, 09:52:43 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 07, 2025, 09:08:26 AMLook at the way Harte last year and Tally this year have f**ked around with the goalkeeping role. It messed the team up both years. You say Tally elite? The only country team he managed was Down and he took them bck not forward. He was a high thought of as a coach but he been found out in a manager role.
If there much options in the GK area tho? I spoke to a couple of mates from Derry and they reckon there's no stand out candidates for keeper.
Tally is an excellent coach. No idea what he's like for a manager tho. But it was Derry that left themselves in the mess regarding getting a manager in. Too much looking over the shoulder hoping to get Gallagher back in when it was never really going to happen.
Where would they go after Tally?
Paul Devlin ... Roger Keenan... Enda McGinley.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 07, 2025, 10:11:10 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 07, 2025, 09:52:43 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 07, 2025, 09:08:26 AMLook at the way Harte last year and Tally this year have f**ked around with the goalkeeping role. It messed the team up both years. You say Tally elite? The only country team he managed was Down and he took them bck not forward. He was a high thought of as a coach but he been found out in a manager role.
If there much options in the GK area tho? I spoke to a couple of mates from Derry and they reckon there's no stand out candidates for keeper.
Tally is an excellent coach. No idea what he's like for a manager tho. But it was Derry that left themselves in the mess regarding getting a manager in. Too much looking over the shoulder hoping to get Gallagher back in when it was never really going to happen.
Where would they go after Tally?
Paul Devlin ... Roger Keenan... Enda McGinley.
Are they improvements? If you had lined those three up along with Tally before last year I would have went with Tally.
I believe Truthsayer is simply listing Tyrone men not putting a serious list together.
I would have an amount of sympathy for Tally... that team was in a total freefall when he took the job. Very hard to turn that around..
Adrian Cush has the head screwed on and has had success in Derry, worth a shot?
What were the Sunday Game up to last night with their graphic backdrop to the pundit discussion? They had the Donegal badge, colours and Michael Murphy on the left, and then the Derry badge, colours and Daragh Canavan on the right!
Are their tech staff that clueless?
Quote from: J70 on April 07, 2025, 01:55:22 PMWhat were the Sunday Game up to last night with their graphic backdrop to the pundit discussion? They had the Donegal badge, colours and Michael Murphy on the left, and then the Derry badge, colours and Daragh Canavan on the right!
Are their tech staff that clueless?
Yes
Quote from: lurganblue on April 07, 2025, 01:57:03 PMQuote from: J70 on April 07, 2025, 01:55:22 PMWhat were the Sunday Game up to last night with their graphic backdrop to the pundit discussion? They had the Donegal badge, colours and Michael Murphy on the left, and then the Derry badge, colours and Daragh Canavan on the right!
Are their tech staff that clueless?
Yes
Rte are useless.
Quote from: J70 on April 06, 2025, 04:40:38 PMRoutine win for Donegal. Derry looked well up for it early on, but the last ten minutes of the first half Daire O'Baoill put in a tour de force to pull Donegal clear, despite the Derry goal and then the mini-burst after half time.
Don't think Derry scoring the penalty would have made much difference in the long run, but Murphy escaping a red might have, given that it came during those couple of minutes when Derry were winning the Patton kick out and closing the gap. After that, Donegal made hay on the Derry kick out and put the game to bed fairly quickly.
Impressive debut for young Roarty, even getting up for a point. McBrearty was superb, as was O'Baoill, Moore, Conor and Shane O'Donnell and Thompson and Big Hughie. Good shape going forward if we can get McGee and Langan fit. Eoin Ban didn't get a run at all either.
Murphy escaping a red definitely made a difference on the game. With the new rules, going a man down is akin to raising the white flag now, he and Donegal can count themselves lucky. A closed fist it was, and a sure red card.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 07, 2025, 04:41:13 PMQuote from: J70 on April 06, 2025, 04:40:38 PMRoutine win for Donegal. Derry looked well up for it early on, but the last ten minutes of the first half Daire O'Baoill put in a tour de force to pull Donegal clear, despite the Derry goal and then the mini-burst after half time.
Don't think Derry scoring the penalty would have made much difference in the long run, but Murphy escaping a red might have, given that it came during those couple of minutes when Derry were winning the Patton kick out and closing the gap. After that, Donegal made hay on the Derry kick out and put the game to bed fairly quickly.
Impressive debut for young Roarty, even getting up for a point. McBrearty was superb, as was O'Baoill, Moore, Conor and Shane O'Donnell and Thompson and Big Hughie. Good shape going forward if we can get McGee and Langan fit. Eoin Ban didn't get a run at all either.
Murphy escaping a red definitely made a difference on the game. With the new rules, going a man down is akin to raising the white flag now, he and Donegal can count themselves lucky. A closed fist it was, and a sure red card.
It's ironic. He's gotten away with closed fist "tackles" a couple of times over the years, yet been sent off on a couple of other occasions for very questionable, soft offences.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 07, 2025, 10:06:34 AMBlaming Tally for Derry's woes is a tad much.
The new rules mean teams need to register about 25 points to win a 70 min game.
Derry have one intercounty standard forward. That's the start and the end of their problems. No manager can fill that void.
I 100% agree Tally doesn't take all the blame and the forward situation is true as well but
Gallagher
County Board
Harte & Devlin
Players
All need to shoulder their fair share. Tally has made plenty of mistakes too though. The biggest being the keeper situation!
Lachlan Murray is a good forward too ,but Derry dont produce many top inside forwards despite the underage success. Watty Grahams won the All Ireland but had no top inside forward. Danny Tallon was decent underage but not Senior County.
Quote from: tiempo on April 07, 2025, 01:11:59 PMAdrian Cush has the head screwed on and has had success in Derry, worth a shot?
The way the last two appointments have went I don't think a third Tyrone man is the way to go for Derry.
Black card ....
It's have GONE!
Five words, and you still fucked it up 🤭
Quote from: statto on April 08, 2025, 08:55:20 AMQuote from: tiempo on April 07, 2025, 01:11:59 PMAdrian Cush has the head screwed on and has had success in Derry, worth a shot?
The way the last two appointments have went I don't think a third Tyrone man is the way to go for Derry.
One for luck/the road?
Quote from: screenexile on April 07, 2025, 08:57:15 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 07, 2025, 10:06:34 AMBlaming Tally for Derry's woes is a tad much.
The new rules mean teams need to register about 25 points to win a 70 min game.
Derry have one intercounty standard forward. That's the start and the end of their problems. No manager can fill that void.
I 100% agree Tally doesn't take all the blame and the forward situation is true as well but
Gallagher
County Board
Harte & Devlin
Players
All need to shoulder their fair share. Tally has made plenty of mistakes too though. The biggest being the keeper situation!
Derry haven't recovered from that so called bonding/training trip last year. Harte has always been against them so the Derry county board in hindsight shouldn't have organised it against his wishes.
The long break to the All-Ireland series now could be blessing in disguise for Derry however if no improvement by then it's time to be very concerned for the years ahead whereby good underage players will be coming into a Senior set-up environment that isn't good.
What's the story with the 12.30pm Saturday throw in for Antrim v Armagh
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 08, 2025, 08:06:37 PMWhat's the story with the 12.30pm Saturday throw in for Antrim v Armagh
To allow Armagh ones to go to ladies league final in Croker that evening..
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2025, 08:51:18 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 08, 2025, 08:06:37 PMWhat's the story with the 12.30pm Saturday throw in for Antrim v Armagh
To allow Armagh ones to go to ladies league final in Croker that evening..
Match would be over about 2.15. Get through the Belfast traffic, and down to Dublin by 5pm?
It's probably possible, but how many will actually be going to both?
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 08, 2025, 09:08:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2025, 08:51:18 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 08, 2025, 08:06:37 PMWhat's the story with the 12.30pm Saturday throw in for Antrim v Armagh
To allow Armagh ones to go to ladies league final in Croker that evening..
Match would be over about 2.15. Get through the Belfast traffic, and down to Dublin by 5pm?
It's probably possible, but how many will actually be going to both?
Belfast to Dublin is about an hour and a half it shouldn't be a problem!
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 08, 2025, 09:08:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2025, 08:51:18 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 08, 2025, 08:06:37 PMWhat's the story with the 12.30pm Saturday throw in for Antrim v Armagh
To allow Armagh ones to go to ladies league final in Croker that evening..
Match would be over about 2.15. Get through the Belfast traffic, and down to Dublin by 5pm?
It's probably possible, but how many will actually be going to both?
Probably not many to be honest, but there will be the likes of the McCambridges and Mackins with siblings involved in both teams who I'm sure will.
Quote from: screenexile on April 08, 2025, 09:10:13 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 08, 2025, 09:08:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2025, 08:51:18 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 08, 2025, 08:06:37 PMWhat's the story with the 12.30pm Saturday throw in for Antrim v Armagh
To allow Armagh ones to go to ladies league final in Croker that evening..
Match would be over about 2.15. Get through the Belfast traffic, and down to Dublin by 5pm?
It's probably possible, but how many will actually be going to both?
Belfast to Dublin is about an hour and a half it shouldn't be a problem!
If there's any traffic at all, that motorway isn't great - everybody hogging the right lane. Bumper to bumper.
Off topic I know, but I could never figure out why when they were building the new motorways did they not take about another 12ft off each side. Even leave it then tar it etc. in 20 years time to make it 3 lanes.
Went to Dublin one Monday morning and it was 40mph from Dundalk onwards...braking and then braking again. Brutal.
Don't get me started on the new road from Castledawson to Randalstown or new road to Derry. There's hardly a hard shoulder on them. Imagine breaking down there, half your car out on left lane.
Antrim folks / westies, best way to get to Corrigan? Train & glider? Leave car at home as guessing traffic be nuts?
Quote from: marty34 on April 08, 2025, 09:36:13 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 08, 2025, 09:10:13 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 08, 2025, 09:08:42 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2025, 08:51:18 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 08, 2025, 08:06:37 PMWhat's the story with the 12.30pm Saturday throw in for Antrim v Armagh
To allow Armagh ones to go to ladies league final in Croker that evening..
Match would be over about 2.15. Get through the Belfast traffic, and down to Dublin by 5pm?
It's probably possible, but how many will actually be going to both?
Belfast to Dublin is about an hour and a half it shouldn't be a problem!
If there's any traffic at all, that motorway isn't great - everybody hogging the right lane. Bumper to bumper.
Off topic I know, but I could never figure out why when they were building the new motorways did they not take about another 12ft off each side. Even leave it then tar it etc. in 20 years time to make it 3 lanes.
Went to Dublin one Monday morning and it was 40mph from Dundalk onwards...braking and then braking again. Brutal.
Don't get me started on the new road from Castledawson to Randalstown or new road to Derry. There's hardly a hard shoulder on them. Imagine breaking down there, half your car out on left lane.
Its brutal there if its any way busy you're right, would need 3 lanes with the volume of traffic daily
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 08, 2025, 08:51:18 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 08, 2025, 08:06:37 PMWhat's the story with the 12.30pm Saturday throw in for Antrim v Armagh
To allow Armagh ones to go to ladies league final in Croker that evening..
Chaos then ;D
Quote from: 5times5times on April 08, 2025, 09:37:29 PMAntrim folks / westies, best way to get to Corrigan? Train & glider? Leave car at home as guessing traffic be nuts?
Pess red button, turn sound off,cut the grass, prepare for Tyrone game.
Mentally preparing myself for our worst case:hammering, best case: moral victory versus Tyrone.
Even when they're begging to be beat, like last year in Breffni, we haven't the balls to go for it and put them down. With their act together under O'Rourke one year on, it'll be no fuss, ritual business as usual for them in Omagh come Sunday. 42 years and counting, jasus it'd make you cringe.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on April 09, 2025, 04:39:14 PMMentally preparing myself for our worst case:hammering, best case: moral victory versus Tyrone.
Even when they're begging to be beat, like last year in Breffni, we haven't the balls to go for it and put them down. With their act together under O'Rourke one year on, it'll be no fuss, ritual business as usual for them in Omagh come Sunday. 42 years and counting, jasus it'd make you cringe.
How are Cavan going in comparison to last year? We seem more organised and improving slightly with each game though in the last few games Donegal and Dublin may have foot off the gas.
Was strange game last year... Tyrone were coasting and Hampsey got a black card. While he was off Cavan racked up a sizeable score. Draw, extra-time win. Was strange how Tyrone fell apart when Hampsey went off.. his man star player (can't remember hus name) then did untold as Buff Egan wud say...
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 09, 2025, 07:59:07 PMWas strange game last year... Tyrone were coasting and Hampsey got a black card. While he was off Cavan racked up a sizeable score. Draw, extra-time win. Was strange how Tyrone fell apart when Hampsey went off.. his man star player (can't remember hus name) then did untold as Buff Egan wud say...
Was it Lynch? Or was he injured by that stage? Think hes had a setback and is still out unfortunately.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 09, 2025, 08:00:17 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 09, 2025, 07:59:07 PMWas strange game last year... Tyrone were coasting and Hampsey got a black card. While he was off Cavan racked up a sizeable score. Draw, extra-time win. Was strange how Tyrone fell apart when Hampsey went off.. his man star player (can't remember hus name) then did untold as Buff Egan wud say...
Was it Lynch? Or was he injured by that stage? Think hes had a setback and is still out unfortunately.
Yeah Lynch played that game. He got injured a few days later in training. Oisin Brady also missing for Cavan. A decent forward.
Will someone please offer Antrim some hope?
There is no hope unfortunately, up again the All-Ireland champions game likely be over before halftime. Still think Armagh stronger than Donegal at the minute.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 09, 2025, 09:34:09 PMThere is no hope unfortunately, up again the All-Ireland champions game likely be over before halftime. Still think Armagh stronger than Donegal at the minute.
Apart from fishing, that comment based on what exactly? Donegal took foot off the pedal in the league, trounced Armagh, beat a very poor Derry in Championship, Armagh just about survived league.
Armagh had a man send off, its game over under the existing rules, Donegal were at home. I seen Donegal last week and Armagh a few weeks b4 that. I think Armagh got the stronger panel.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 09, 2025, 09:34:09 PMThere is no hope unfortunately, up again the All-Ireland champions game likely be over before halftime. Still think Armagh stronger than Donegal at the minute.
While I do believe Armagh will be right up there come the business end of the season but find it astonishing how you'd think Donegal don't
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 09, 2025, 11:18:00 PMArmagh had a man send off, its game over under the existing rules, Donegal were at home. I seen Donegal last week and Armagh a few weeks b4 that. I think Armagh got the stronger panel.
When you seen Donegal last week was that the first time you watched them this year? Was that Armagh game you seen a few weeks back when they beat a 14 man Derry who were already relegated? Or the game before that when they lost to mayo?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 09, 2025, 09:34:09 PMThere is no hope unfortunately, up again the All-Ireland champions game likely be over before halftime. Still think Armagh stronger than Donegal at the minute.
If we were full out I'd say yes, but we're missing our full back, centre back hasn't played, 2 midfielders have been injured although hopefully available for the weekend and of course our best player hasn't kicked a ball really since July. Hopefully we'll have those boys back at some stage but who knows.
Quote from: Easttyrone23 on April 10, 2025, 01:53:18 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 09, 2025, 09:34:09 PMThere is no hope unfortunately, up again the All-Ireland champions game likely be over before halftime. Still think Armagh stronger than Donegal at the minute.
While I do believe Armagh will be right up there come the business end of the season but find it astonishing how you'd think Donegal don't Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 09, 2025, 11:18:00 PMArmagh had a man send off, its game over under the existing rules, Donegal were at home. I seen Donegal last week and Armagh a few weeks b4 that. I think Armagh got the stronger panel.
When you seen Donegal last week was that the first time you watched them this year? Was that Armagh game you seen a few weeks back when they beat a 14 man Derry who were already relegated? Or the game before that when they lost to mayo?
Lost to Mayo?
I think it was very difficult to take much from the league this year. Armagh have looked superb at times for example against Tyrone and Dublin and completely abject at others such as against Kerry and Galway.
That said they've had players coming back, have clearly been experimenting and haven't been at full tilt. So hard to know where they are really at.
Donegal looked impressive in most games but didn't really put away a clearly off kilter Armagh until late on. Then lost to Mayo and Tyrone and whilst fully deserving of their win over Derry didn't ever get out of third gear. So again are they well above the rest? I'm not sure.
I still think the team that beats Armagh and I think there will be one will win the all Ireland but at the minute I think that on the day any of the top 7 or 8 teams could beat each other so which one is better is simply a matter of opinion.
Anybody who can say with some degree of certainty who will win the AI - good luck, put plenty of money on it and see how you get on.
Quote from: Orior on April 09, 2025, 09:20:33 PMWill someone please offer Antrim some hope?
With the whole situation about where the game will be played I reckon that'll inspire Antrim. They will come out of the gates like a greyhound and jeep it competitive. For a bit. Eventually class should tell and Armagh will win with quite a bit to spare. Best I could do
Quote from: cavanmaniac on April 09, 2025, 04:39:14 PMMentally preparing myself for our worst case:hammering, best case: moral victory versus Tyrone.
Even when they're begging to be beat, like last year in Breffni, we haven't the balls to go for it and put them down. With their act together under O'Rourke one year on, it'll be no fuss, ritual business as usual for them in Omagh come Sunday. 42 years and counting, jasus it'd make you cringe.
Urgh, that was annoying. Last year was our chance. We had that chance to go for goal, but O'Connell fisted over the bar for a draw. I get why he did it, but like for O'Toole Monaghan a few years back, if he went for goal we'd have won it. That's the type of moment you need to snap a losing streak
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 09, 2025, 11:18:00 PMArmagh had a man send off, its game over under the existing rules, Donegal were at home. I seen Donegal last week and Armagh a few weeks b4 that. I think Armagh got the stronger panel.
Armagh played Donegal with the previous rules regarding a player getting a black or red.
Quote from: NotedObserver on April 09, 2025, 07:15:14 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on April 09, 2025, 04:39:14 PMMentally preparing myself for our worst case:hammering, best case: moral victory versus Tyrone.
Even when they're begging to be beat, like last year in Breffni, we haven't the balls to go for it and put them down. With their act together under O'Rourke one year on, it'll be no fuss, ritual business as usual for them in Omagh come Sunday. 42 years and counting, jasus it'd make you cringe.
How are Cavan going in comparison to last year? We seem more organised and improving slightly with each game though in the last few games Donegal and Dublin may have foot off the gas.
Cavan did well to turn their league around after a very poor start. We're a solid Division 2 outfit, but would be relegated immediately if we ever made Div 1. There's a core of veterans still keeping the show on the road, for the time being. In championship we rarely ever put it up to any of the big beasts and if we do, we're far too content with moral victories. I don't see the needle moving too much this year but would love to be wrong because I'm fair sick of the sight of Tyrone. We got them on an off-year last year at home though, and still couldn't finish the job, so I see no reason for optimism really.
I heard Nicholas Walsh will at the match with a pile of Aussies. Good man to have coming on.
Tyrone 1/10 Cavan 7/1 those odds fair to be writing off Cavan in that manner?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2025, 03:51:20 PMTyrone 1/10 Cavan 7/1 those odds fair to be writing off Cavan in that manner?
I wouldnt be backing them would you?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 11, 2025, 04:38:00 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2025, 03:51:20 PMTyrone 1/10 Cavan 7/1 those odds fair to be writing off Cavan in that manner?
I wouldnt be backing them would you?
Crazy odds, Cavan could sneak it on Sunday
Teams for this weekend games.
Antrim:
Michael Byrne;
Eoghan McCabe, Eunan Walsh, Kavan Keenan;
James McAuley, Jack Lenehan, Dermot McAleese;
Conor Hand, Eunan Quinn;
Patrick McBride, Niall Burns, Fionn Nagle;
Ryan McQuillan, Ruairi McCann, Dominic McEnhill.
Subs: Luke Mulholland, Adam Loughran, Conhuir Johnston, Conor Stewart, James McDonnell, John Morgan, Marc Jordan, Patrick Finnegan, Peter King, Ronan Boyle, Ryan Murray.
Armagh:
Ethan Rafferty;
Paddy Burns, Barry McCambridge, Tomás McCormack;
Ross McQuillan, Greg McCabe, Connaire Mackin;
Callum O'Neill, Ciaran Mackin;
Darragh McMullan, Rory Grugan, Peter McGrane;
Tiernan Kelly, Andrew Murnin, Stefan Campbell.
Subs: Blaine Hughes, Gareth Murphy, Ciaran Higgins, Aidan Forker, Jarly Óg Burns, Cian McConville, Jemar Hall, Shane McPartlan, Oisin O'Neill, Sean Conlon, Ciaron O'Hanlon.
Tyrone:
Niall Morgan;
Aidan Clarke, Peter Teague, Niall Devlin;
Michael McKernan, Rory Brennan, Kieran McGeary;
Brian Kennedy, Conn Kilpatrick;
Aodhan Donaghy, Mattie Donnelly, Ciaran Daly;
Darren McCurry, Peter Harte, Darragh Canavan.
Subs: Oisin O'Kane, Nathan McCarron, Cormac Quinn, Frank Burns, Shea O'Hare, Ben McDonnell, Joseph Oguz, Seanie O'Connell, Eoin McElholm, Cathal McShane, Ruairi Canavan.
Cavan:
Gary O'Rourke;
Cian Reilly, Brian O'Connell, Jason McLoughlin;
Padraig Faulkner, Ciarán Brady, Niall Carolan;
James Smith, Gerard Smith;
Gearoid McKiernan, Oisin Kiernan, Dara McVeety;
Barry Donnelly, Cormac O'Reilly, Sean McEvoy.
Subs: Liam Brady, Killian Brady, Luke Fortune, Killian Clarke, Ryan Donohoe, Evan Crowe, Luke Molloy, Cian Madden, Ryan O'Neill, Peter Devine, Thomas Edward Donohoe.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on April 11, 2025, 04:58:14 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 11, 2025, 04:38:00 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 11, 2025, 03:51:20 PMTyrone 1/10 Cavan 7/1 those odds fair to be writing off Cavan in that manner?
I wouldnt be backing them would you?
Crazy odds, Cavan could sneak it on Sunday
Cavan the value for sure. It's effectively two Division 2 teams going at it on Sunday.
And of course Cavan have the 40 Ulster titles in their back pocket. That's always worth a point or two on the day given the respect they deserve. Ulster counties look up to Cavan's achievements.
Only 6 of that Armagh starting team are from senior clubs.
Quote from: general_lee on April 12, 2025, 11:36:55 AMOnly 6 of that Armagh starting team are from senior clubs.
That's a very interesting stat.
Armagh trying their best to make a game of it with that starting 15.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 12, 2025, 12:22:36 PMArmagh trying their best to make a game of it with that starting 15.
Still plenty of quality there. Down a serious amount of bodies.
What club plays on Corrigan?
Antrim been practicing the 2 pointers... probly need loads and grab a goal to offset Armagh points. Still there...
Good save preventing a Armagh goal and from the turn over Antrim score another two pointer. 0-5 to 0-3 after 10 minutes.
Some crying being done with Rafferty it was clear cut!
Rafferty making a big issue of the black card. He pulled the player down
Ref got that penalty and black card call correctly. Penalty saved. Antrim 0-5 Armagh 0-8 after 20 minutes.
I thought we couldnt have brought Blaine on until after the penalty. Some first touch for him.
MILES off his line
Antrim played their first long ball in and got a penalty out of it. Need to start playing direct ball in.
Thats embarrassing from Soupy tbh.
Embarrassing to grab your face when hit nowhere near it
No excuse for that penalty effort. Game over. Hope Soupy is OK #dramatics
2 point free incentivises diving like Soupy Campbell there holding his face
Ref very inconsistent. Antrim far hungrier team so far.
That's was charging by McGrane., Campbell for the size of him ,and stiff wind blow him over if he thought he get a free.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 12, 2025, 01:04:32 PMThat's was charging by McGrane.
definitely.
That was probably a foul on Soupy by number 4 but hard to spot in real time.
How is that not black?
Burns dropping toddler too
30 mins played Antrim 0-9 Armagh 0-11
We're miles off here, Antrim well up for it.
We're pathetic tbh. Antrim bringing physically and we're expecting the ref to save us.
4th two pointer for Antrim as they lead again 0-12 0-11.
Blow to Antrim going down to 14 with a black. 0-12 each.
Half time Antrim 0-14 Armagh 0-13.
Watching this, makes me even more concerned about Derry goalkeeping farce last week. Decent control of the kickouts can dictate a game. That lad McBride a good footballer.
Up your holes Armagh ;D
Can we have the final whistle now? Lol
That boy with the mullet and '70s moustache... that's pure Burt Reynolds.. missed a penno and gets black card maybe more Yosser..
Armagh have been a bit shit today. Some amount of goal scoring chances wasted and Antrim two pointers has them ahead.
Not the same force at all without Rian. Huge blow psychologically as well as all he brings.
Antrim were on fire in the league v Kildare. They had a few lads able to stroke them.
Armagh will be under pressure against Tyrone the next day.
Quote from: LarryStiles on April 12, 2025, 01:22:06 PMArmagh will be under pressure against Tyrone the next day.
Don't you mean Antrim?
Sidearse put the voodoo on Armagh before the game with the Meath manager comment.
Fair play Antrim, well up for it and they're making this alot more interesting than anyone expected. Hope this gives them confidence to push on and keep it up for the whole game
Antrim have been really impressive. Honest hard work and intensity has them deservedly ahead. Keenan black card at the end is a big blow, thought he was immense in the first half. Paddy McBride with an exhibition of 2-pointers. Michael Byrne a couple of excellent saves.
From an Armagh perspective, far too pedestrian and not clinical enough. Big half needed.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 12, 2025, 01:22:31 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on April 12, 2025, 01:22:06 PMArmagh will be under pressure against Tyrone the next day.
Don't you mean Antrim?
Antrim will put it up to Cavan.
Half time stats.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GoVZeyNWEAEY4-k?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 12, 2025, 01:20:01 PMNot the same force at all without Rian. Huge blow psychologically as well as all he brings.
There's 5/6 starters from the AIF ffs, a 2nds team. Deserve us right if beat for the disrespect shown.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 12, 2025, 01:32:43 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 12, 2025, 01:20:01 PMNot the same force at all without Rian. Huge blow psychologically as well as all he brings.
There's 5/6 starters from the AIF ffs, a 2nds team. Deserve us right if beat for the disrespect shown.
You can only play what's in front of you.. That's on Gezzer, how many starters on now?
Quote from: bennydorano on April 12, 2025, 01:32:43 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 12, 2025, 01:20:01 PMNot the same force at all without Rian. Huge blow psychologically as well as all he brings.
There's 5/6 starters from the AIF ffs, a 2nds team. Deserve us right if beat for the disrespect shown.
3 debutants combine for the goal lol
Corrigan Park or nowhere. ;D
Goal for Armagh 1-18 to 0-16 after 44 minutes.
Antrim are gassed at the minute.. boy's running through now, need to bring on a good few subs to bounce back
Quote from: bennydorano on April 12, 2025, 01:32:43 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 12, 2025, 01:20:01 PMNot the same force at all without Rian. Huge blow psychologically as well as all he brings.
There's 5/6 starters from the AIF ffs, a 2nds team. Deserve us right if beat for the disrespect shown.
Just four starters from the All Ireland final started today. Barry McCamridge,Connaire Makin,Rory Gurgan and Andrew Murnin
That is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Commentary from Armaghs last point on BBC
"Off the right boot, from the rule book" what??
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
Jemar coming on wouldn't necessarily fill you with confidence! Armagh's fitness starting to tell now.
To think this game would have been close ffs
Disappointing second half. Game never in the balance.
Armagh comfortable 11 point winners BBC do love giving the man of the match to a player from the losing team.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Quote from: OakLeaf on April 12, 2025, 02:10:23 PMDisappointing second half. Game never in the balance.
Well McGeeney & Cassidy tried to keep it interesting for the neutrals.
Quote from: marty34 on April 12, 2025, 01:41:26 PMCorrigan Park or nowhere. ;D
A far, far better occasion than it would have been in Newry.
Where were those Antrim forwards in the league? Unreal kicking in fairness to them.
Quote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:11:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Aye, and if your granny had balls she'd be your granda.
If Antrim can be in front for 35 plus minutes then regardless of what team Armagh put out, if they play anywhere near that they'll have a shorter summer than last year
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:11:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Aye, and if your granny had balls she'd be your granda.
If Antrim can be in front for 35 plus minutes then regardless of what team Armagh put out, if they play anywhere near that they'll have a shorter summer than last year
The same thing was probably said after the Down game last year. Antrim were in front after 35 mins not in front for 35 mins. They put in a good performance, not to take anything away from them. Antrim are not a D4 team should have a much better county team. It's a marathon not a sprint, Armagh were never going to show what their capable of in this game or risk injuries. How many Armagh players went off in that game as blood sub or injured?
It's certainly a bit of a gamble playing this way, some players could get caught cold in the next game.
Quote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:23:24 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:11:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Aye, and if your granny had balls she'd be your granda.
If Antrim can be in front for 35 plus minutes then regardless of what team Armagh put out, if they play anywhere near that they'll have a shorter summer than last year
The same thing was probably said after the Down game last year. Antrim were in front after 35 mins not in front for 35 mins. They put in a good performance, not to take anything away from them. Antrim are not a D4 team should have a much better county team. It's a marathon not a sprint, Armagh were never going to show what their capable of in this game or risk injuries. How many Armagh players went off in that game as blood sub or injured?
It's certainly a bit of a gamble playing this way, some players could get caught cold in the next game.
I was just having that discussion, our preferred first 15 hasn't played together all year (Rian excluded), can't just throw them out the next day v Tyrone and hope for the best -
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
You could argue winning by 11 points shows quite a decent level of depth considering the turnover of players from last year.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:11:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Aye, and if your granny had balls she'd be your granda.
If Antrim can be in front for 35 plus minutes then regardless of what team Armagh put out, if they play anywhere near that they'll have a shorter summer than last year
A shorter summer than last year? Unless they go back to back, which no Ulster team has done since 1961, they yes, you'll be proven correct. Well done.
You were playing a team that hasn't got past the first round in 200 years and now playing in division 4 next year. 12 points was the handicap and the bookies not to far wrong with that.
We put up a decent score and a bitta fight till we gassed out, we can be happy with that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:38:17 PMYou were playing a team that hasn't got past the first round in 200 years and now playing in division 4 next year. 12 points was the handicap and the bookies not to far wrong with that.
We put up a decent score and a bitta fight till we gassed out, we can be happy with that
Need to be consistent. McBride might not win anything but he is a player to build a team around, if he sticks around.
Quote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:46:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:38:17 PMYou were playing a team that hasn't got past the first round in 200 years and now playing in division 4 next year. 12 points was the handicap and the bookies not to far wrong with that.
We put up a decent score and a bitta fight till we gassed out, we can be happy with that
Need to be consistent. McBride might not win anything but he is a player to build a team around, if he sticks around.
McBride is already in his early 30s.
Quote from: gallsman on April 12, 2025, 02:50:22 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:46:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:38:17 PMYou were playing a team that hasn't got past the first round in 200 years and now playing in division 4 next year. 12 points was the handicap and the bookies not to far wrong with that.
We put up a decent score and a bitta fight till we gassed out, we can be happy with that
Need to be consistent. McBride might not win anything but he is a player to build a team around, if he sticks around.
McBride is already in his early 30s.
Yeah he has played more than 100 games for Antrim.
When you come from a county like Antrim, it's very hard to understand some of the attitude from Armagh posters :o
Quote from: gallsman on April 12, 2025, 02:50:22 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:46:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:38:17 PMYou were playing a team that hasn't got past the first round in 200 years and now playing in division 4 next year. 12 points was the handicap and the bookies not to far wrong with that.
We put up a decent score and a bitta fight till we gassed out, we can be happy with that
Need to be consistent. McBride might not win anything but he is a player to build a team around, if he sticks around.
McBride is already in his early 30s.
The only Antrim player to have played in Casement, according to the BBC. Good player, but not really the future.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:11:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Aye, and if your granny had balls she'd be your granda.
If Antrim can be in front for 35 plus minutes then regardless of what team Armagh put out, if they play anywhere near that they'll have a shorter summer than last year
Antrim weren't in front for 35+ minutes. We will have had one eye on later in the summer and peaking for then. Antrim will have out everything into that game. I was impressed by then. I expected them to give us a game for 20/25 mins. I'd love to see Antrim football rise form the doldrums. It baffles me why they are where they are.
Will also add that Cassidy was a big leveller in that game today. Brutal ref
Quote from: armaghniac on April 12, 2025, 03:31:12 PMQuote from: gallsman on April 12, 2025, 02:50:22 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:46:32 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:38:17 PMYou were playing a team that hasn't got past the first round in 200 years and now playing in division 4 next year. 12 points was the handicap and the bookies not to far wrong with that.
We put up a decent score and a bitta fight till we gassed out, we can be happy with that
Need to be consistent. McBride might not win anything but he is a player to build a team around, if he sticks around.
McBride is already in his early 30s.
The only Antrim player to have played in Casement, according to the BBC. Good player, but not really the future.
McQuillan looked a decent player inside for Antrim when got on ball. What is the story with Adam Loughran good operator but seems to have played little to no football this year.
Great impact from oisin o Neill in the second half will certainly put him in the mix to start the next day. Without Rian I think he needs to play for his two points threat. Thought Callum o Neill had a decent outing in midfield but would hope crealey and Grimley are available for semi final as give a great aerial platform in the middle.McCormack done his chances no harm again took goal really well which put the game to bed really.
Was impressed with Callum O'Neill, Grugan his usual classy self, McCormack good as well. Thought McGrane was poor but tried hard, Mackin isn't good enough to play for us imo, Soupy wasn't great either. Oisin O'Neill and McConville very good off the bench.
Quote from: Pub Bore on April 12, 2025, 02:57:48 PMWhen you come from a county like Antrim, it's very hard to understand some of the attitude from Armagh posters :o
Antrim were impressive in the first half as was Kavan Keenan's hairstyle and facial hair.
A lot of Armagh fans are baffled about your division 4 status and feel you should be further up the table.
Very poor performance first half from Armagh but much better second half. 1-20 in a half is superb scoring particularly given the number of key players missing.
Thought Cassidy was very poor as well
Antrim though looked very good and were able to expose Armagh's lack of press. I think they could go far in the Tailtean.
Seriously, that scoreline was ridiculous
Calm down lads.. It was Armaghs B team.
Look at the players on the line and not even in squad.
Quote from: tintin25 on April 12, 2025, 05:42:14 PMSeriously, that scoreline was ridiculous
Don't like the high scoring in games with the new rules. Prefer tighter games where scores are harder to get. Just an opinion.
Got more like basketball, or high scoring hurling games. Still think u need to be by the 45, for a 2pter, and do away with the 2pter frees, I saw a few dropped over fairly easy at club fball the other nite.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 12, 2025, 03:36:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:11:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Aye, and if your granny had balls she'd be your granda.
If Antrim can be in front for 35 plus minutes then regardless of what team Armagh put out, if they play anywhere near that they'll have a shorter summer than last year
Antrim weren't in front for 35+ minutes. We will have had one eye on later in the summer and peaking for then. Antrim will have out everything into that game. I was impressed by then. I expected them to give us a game for 20/25 mins. I'd love to see Antrim football rise form the doldrums. It baffles me why they are where they are.
Will also add that Cassidy was a big leveller in that game today. Brutal ref
Antrim do nothing at underage. Thats where they should be focusing. All blood and thunder today in first half, but that was to be expected playing under McEntee and the venue stance. Armagh still missed 3 or 4 goal chances in the first half.
I presume all the enhanced rules are in now till Special Congress decides on what becomes permanent?.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 12, 2025, 06:53:16 PMCalm down lads.. It was Armaghs B team.
Look at the players on the line and not even in squad.
Is this a joke? I'm genuinely asking as I can't be arsed checking the teams again.
Armagh scored more two pointers and lads on here complaining! The game is changed it'll be more of the same rest of the year.
Antrim were never going to have the legs for 70 minutes, not surprising but beat the bookies predicted score and entertaining game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 11:05:28 PMArmagh scored more two pointers and lads on here complaining! The game is changed it'll be more of the same rest of the year.
Antrim were never going to have the legs for 70 minutes, not surprising but beat the bookies predicted score and entertaining game
I think it was 6 to 5
Quote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 11:09:59 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 11:05:28 PMArmagh scored more two pointers and lads on here complaining! The game is changed it'll be more of the same rest of the year.
Antrim were never going to have the legs for 70 minutes, not surprising but beat the bookies predicted score and entertaining game
I think it was 6 to 5
Cheers. If you are not trying to make this your thing then you'll be caught out
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 11:14:12 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 11:09:59 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 11:05:28 PMArmagh scored more two pointers and lads on here complaining! The game is changed it'll be more of the same rest of the year.
Antrim were never going to have the legs for 70 minutes, not surprising but beat the bookies predicted score and entertaining game
I think it was 6 to 5
Cheers. If you are not trying to make this your thing then you'll be caught out
It was what was reported earlier after the game. It was one extra 2 pointer, don't see what point you are making
People were saying Antrim only stayed in touch because of their two pointers
The amount of injury feigning and yapping from Armagh was frankly embarrassing. No need for it given the obvious talent and power in the team, but never saw the like of it. Soccer style yaps.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 11:18:18 PMPeople were saying Antrim only stayed in touch because of their two pointers
Antrim stayed in touch because they played well
Quote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 11:21:25 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 11:18:18 PMPeople were saying Antrim only stayed in touch because of their two pointers
Antrim stayed in touch because they played well
Which was my point ..as I said others were highlighting the two pointers
Quote from: p3427977 on April 12, 2025, 11:01:05 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 12, 2025, 06:53:16 PMCalm down lads.. It was Armaghs B team.
Look at the players on the line and not even in squad.
Is this a joke? I'm genuinely asking as I can't be arsed checking the teams again.
Near enough a b team. Think of starters today only Grugan, Murnin, Mackin, McCambridge and TK who came off very early started the all ireland. 4 championship debuts.
Happy with that, but obviously improvement needed for the next day.
Armagh breezed into the semi-final of the USFC today.
And they also looked like a team that's going to win it.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 13, 2025, 01:06:25 AMArmagh breezed into the semi-final of the USFC today.
And they also looked like a team that's going to win it.
That might be a bit premature, Tyrone or Donegal are much better than Antrim.
I seen somewhere that the last 11 times an Ulster county won the all Ireland only one of them won the Ulster championship the following year (Tyrone 2009). I think the last time before that was down in 1962.
Makes you think how hard it was particularly back when it was straight knockout for an Ulster county to reach the all Ireland semi finals compared to the likes of Kerry who could have beat Waterford and limerick to reach it.
Quote from: BrendanAntrim on April 12, 2025, 11:19:04 PMThe amount of injury feigning and yapping from Armagh was frankly embarrassing. No need for it given the obvious talent and power in the team, but never saw the like of it. Soccer style yaps.
Don't know what game you were at.
Can't speak for all of the incidents but Barry McCambridge got absolutely milled 10 yards from where I ws standing 2 seconds after he'd gotten rid of the ball.
Cassidy/ linesman and 2 umpires and not one of them managed to see it.
Quote from: BrendanAntrim on April 12, 2025, 11:19:04 PMThe amount of injury feigning and yapping from Armagh was frankly embarrassing. No need for it given the obvious talent and power in the team, but never saw the like of it. Soccer style yaps.
Sickens my hole that stuff. Soupy was pathetic. But Antrim got away with one or 2 late ones
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on April 13, 2025, 08:58:44 AMQuote from: BrendanAntrim on April 12, 2025, 11:19:04 PMThe amount of injury feigning and yapping from Armagh was frankly embarrassing. No need for it given the obvious talent and power in the team, but never saw the like of it. Soccer style yaps.
Don't know what game you were at.
Can't speak for all of the incidents but Barry McCambridge got absolutely milled 10 yards from where I ws standing 2 seconds after he'd gotten rid of the ball.
Cassidy/ linesman and 2 umpires and not one of them managed to see it.
Soupy is the only one I can think off. Seen the McCambridge one. There were a couple of others also
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 12, 2025, 09:53:43 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 12, 2025, 03:36:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:11:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Aye, and if your granny had balls she'd be your granda.
If Antrim can be in front for 35 plus minutes then regardless of what team Armagh put out, if they play anywhere near that they'll have a shorter summer than last year
Antrim weren't in front for 35+ minutes. We will have had one eye on later in the summer and peaking for then. Antrim will have out everything into that game. I was impressed by then. I expected them to give us a game for 20/25 mins. I'd love to see Antrim football rise form the doldrums. It baffles me why they are where they are.
Will also add that Cassidy was a big leveller in that game today. Brutal ref
Antrim do nothing at underage. Thats where they should be focusing. All blood and thunder today in first half, but that was to be expected playing under McEntee and the venue stance. Armagh still missed 3 or 4 goal chances in the first half.
Is there a reason they do nothing at underage? I assume you mean coaching, putting structures in place etc
Quote from: BrendanAntrim on April 12, 2025, 11:19:04 PMThe amount of injury feigning and yapping from Armagh was frankly embarrassing. No need for it given the obvious talent and power in the team, but never saw the like of it. Soccer style yaps.
Soupy may have overacted but there were 4 or 5 players with bloodied faces. Assuming it was all self inflicted.
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 13, 2025, 10:44:02 AMQuote from: rodney trotter on April 12, 2025, 09:53:43 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 12, 2025, 03:36:08 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 02:15:34 PMQuote from: Solo_run on April 12, 2025, 02:11:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 12, 2025, 01:58:08 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on April 12, 2025, 01:53:53 PMThat is not a strong Armagh 15 on the field at the moment.
Not great depth then?
If it was the first team score would have been much higher.
Aye, and if your granny had balls she'd be your granda.
If Antrim can be in front for 35 plus minutes then regardless of what team Armagh put out, if they play anywhere near that they'll have a shorter summer than last year
Antrim weren't in front for 35+ minutes. We will have had one eye on later in the summer and peaking for then. Antrim will have out everything into that game. I was impressed by then. I expected them to give us a game for 20/25 mins. I'd love to see Antrim football rise form the doldrums. It baffles me why they are where they are.
Will also add that Cassidy was a big leveller in that game today. Brutal ref
Antrim do nothing at underage. Thats where they should be focusing. All blood and thunder today in first half, but that was to be expected playing under McEntee and the venue stance. Armagh still missed 3 or 4 goal chances in the first half.
Is there a reason they do nothing at underage? I assume you mean coaching, putting structures in place etc
Not from Antrim, but you only have to look at their results at underage that they are well off the pace. They never have schools doing much in McCrory Cup either. Better structures.
Paying outside managers like Andy McEntee is grand for a few years but he can only do so much when there isn't much foundation.
Who were these 4/5 men with bloody faces?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2025, 11:16:36 AMWho were these 4/5 men with bloody faces?
McQuillan and Oisin O'Neill were busted, didn't see Oisins but is McQuillans case he took at bad touch and left himself wide open, your man got the ball. Jarly Og took a heavy hit not sure if he was busted, but again was wide open ball there to be won no complaints.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2025, 11:24:15 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2025, 11:16:36 AMWho were these 4/5 men with bloody faces?
McQuillan and Oisin O'Neill were busted, didn't see Oisins but is McQuillans case he took at bad touch and left himself wide open, your man got the ball. Jarly Og took a heavy hit not sure if he was busted, but again was wide open ball there to be won no complaints.
McQuillians one whilst the Antrim player did flick the ball I thought he carried on through and was lucky to avoid sanction.
There was also a yellow for what I thought was a clear black on Jarly late in the first half.
There was a shoulder to Jarly Og's head when he was bending early on that another ref may have seen differently.
That said I thought Mossey might have also been guilty of similar and Aidan Forker seemed to get involved in something but there was no replays of it.
Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
Quote from: David McKeown on April 13, 2025, 11:30:33 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2025, 11:24:15 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2025, 11:16:36 AMWho were these 4/5 men with bloody faces?
McQuillan and Oisin O'Neill were busted, didn't see Oisins but is McQuillans case he took at bad touch and left himself wide open, your man got the ball. Jarly Og took a heavy hit not sure if he was busted, but again was wide open ball there to be won no complaints.
McQuillians one whilst the Antrim player did flick the ball I thought he carried on through and was lucky to avoid sanction.
There was also a yellow for what I thought was a clear black on Jarly late in the first half.
There was a shoulder to Jarly Og's head when he was bending early on that another ref may have seen differently.
That said I thought Mossey might have also been guilty of similar and Aidan Forker seemed to get involved in something but there was no replays of it.
Wouldn't be like Forker...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 11:46:29 AMBoth players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
So you think he was diving?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 11:46:29 AMBoth players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
We will agree to disagree on both of those.
Quote from: ranch on April 13, 2025, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 11:46:29 AMBoth players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
So you think he was diving?
He got a slap in the chest once and went down holding his head. Sicken ya.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 13, 2025, 12:19:51 PMQuote from: ranch on April 13, 2025, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 11:46:29 AMBoth players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
So you think he was diving?
He got a slap in the chest once and went down holding his head. Sicken ya.
Was that not soupy?
Quote from: ranch on April 13, 2025, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 11:46:29 AMBoth players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
So you think he was diving?
I said, and instead of putting words in my mouth, for a big lad he's on the floor a lot.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 13, 2025, 12:17:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 11:46:29 AMBoth players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
We will agree to disagree on both of those.
Explain the black card rule? as it is now, holding a player up or deliberately pulling a player down. 3rd man or 4th and so on get black cards and verbals to the ref can be a black card.
I'm not sure tackling a player after the ball is a black, I know I wouldn't give it.
There was a 50 meter sanction given after a Armagh player made a mark, the Antrim lad challenging for the kickout also, landed on the Armagh player, before he could collect himself Cassidy was moving the ball 50 meters, there has to be intent on trying to obstruct a player in those circumstances, that coughed up 2 points
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 12:50:13 PMQuote from: ranch on April 13, 2025, 12:02:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 11:46:29 AMBoth players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
So you think he was diving?
I said, and instead of putting words in my mouth, for a big lad he's on the floor a lot.
He gets fouled a lot also.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 12:57:12 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 13, 2025, 12:17:29 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 11:46:29 AMBoth players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.
The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot
We will agree to disagree on both of those.
Explain the black card rule? as it is now, holding a player up or deliberately pulling a player down. 3rd man or 4th and so on get black cards and verbals to the ref can be a black card.
I'm not sure tackling a player after the ball is a black, I know I wouldn't give it.
There was a 50 meter sanction given after a Armagh player made a mark, the Antrim lad challenging for the kickout also, landed on the Armagh player, before he could collect himself Cassidy was moving the ball 50 meters, there has to be intent on trying to obstruct a player in those circumstances, that coughed up 2 points
It's a black card offence to deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away. There's enough of a gap for the Antrim player to take two steps between Burns playing the ball away and the collision for me to think it was a deliberate collision and therefore a black card.
The earlier one burns is considerably lower and therefore closer to the ball than the Antrim player who to use a rugby term doesn't drop their height sufficiently and as a result hits Burns shoulder on head. I don't consider that a 50/50 because I think the Antrim player is too high to be genuinely competing for the ball.
Both of these calls are obviously subjective.
Amazing how the rose tinted glasses appear when it's "my" team, Antrim harliously tried to bully Armaghs B team with some late hits, the same ones defending it here would be doing some yappings if it was role reversal, good luck in that other competition, as for the league as Yazz said the only way is up ;D
Changes for Tyrone Cathal McShane for Mattie Donnelly and Ruairi Canavan for Darragh Canavan. Darragh Canavan not even on the bench today.
Cian Madden,Killian Clarke in from the start for Cavan.
Paddy Lynch a big loss for Cavan, one of the best forwards in Ulster.
Where was the breach there. Replay didn't look like there was one
2 mistakes by mcnally already.
No breach, and cavan player handed ball back, yet ref brings forward 50m
Cavan No25 need play on, instead looking a free every time.
just put it on mute.
Marty (pure dung) and Eamon (monotone)
cannot listen to them
Tackling good on both sides Cavan have defended well getting out in front of Tyrone forwards for the long balls in.
Referee seems to be very poor!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2025, 04:28:14 PMCavan No25 need play on, instead looking a free every time.
2 was fouled twice, shoulder / jersey pull and a push in the back
Madden needs to be taken off for Cavan.
Has messed up 3 or 4 attacks there.
What was that 13 metre free for Cavan had 3 back.
This referee would give referees a bad name.
Weather got very bad on it. Deadly wind coming down the field now.
I don't think Tyrone will throw it away, but 9-10 points is precarious enough with that breeze.
BBC commentators mustn't have been watching the National League.
Tyrone for Sam
Half time Tyrone 0-14 Cavan 0-4
Predictably abject and psychologically brittle Cavan display against Tyrone, as per usual. We really are a joke in this fixture. That said, the kickout strategy is farcically inept as well and the Cavan goalie doesn't seem up to snuff at all.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on April 13, 2025, 04:53:33 PMPredictably abject and psychologically brittle Cavan display against Tyrone, as per usual. We really are a joke in this fixture. That said, the kickout strategy is farcically inept as well and the Cavan goalie doesn't seem up to snuff at all.
The loss of that string of kickouts seemed to just drain Cavan of any hope; made it far too easy for Tyrone to extend the gap. Cavan probably fortunate to only be 10 points down.
Tyrone have nullified Cavan main players McKiernan, McVeety and are toothless without their influence so far.
The goalie's lack of basic accuracy and skill (why he's even in the team is a matter of some speculation), as well the absence of any plan B whatsoever, is absolutely pitiful for this level. It really is excruciating watching Cavan play Tyrone, an utter embarrassment seeing players of that level of experience basically folding up the tent after ten minutes and rolling over when Tyrone started to ask a few tough questions. I was kind of expecting it based on experience but I'm in total despair all the same.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 13, 2025, 04:31:12 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2025, 04:28:14 PMCavan No25 need play on, instead looking a free every time.
2 was fouled twice, shoulder / jersey pull and a push in the back
Yeah, definate push in back as he was picking ball up away from goal.
Clear push. I can see why he was complaining.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 13, 2025, 04:51:29 PMI don't think Tyrone will throw it away, but 9-10 points is precarious enough with that breeze.
BBC commentators mustn't have been watching the National League.
Cavan need to win the ball first..
It's a different game nowadays for sure but Tyrone will be able to hold on to the ball more
Is McNicholl in goals for Cavan?
Was that free from Canavan, not a 2 pointer. It was outside the arc?
Cavan look very poor from the bit I have seen.
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 13, 2025, 05:14:09 PMWas that free from Canavan, not a 2 pointer. It was outside the arc?
Was inside the arc
Antrim would beat Cavan.
45 minutes played Tyrone 0-19 Cavan 0-7.
Cavan just don't want to be there.
That 50m rule is a balls.
Cavan have had zero bite all game.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 13, 2025, 05:12:41 PMIs McNicholl in goals for Cavan?
Cavan getting a bit of a tanking yet you're still slabbering about Derry... The fire brigade will be along soon to put your redner out
With how poor Cavan have been it's a minor miracle they are only 10 points down.
5th two pointer for Cavan in this 2nd half but Tyrone still getting scores all too easy at the other end. 55 mins played Tyrone 0-23 Cavan 0-16
Mc Nally is such a bollix.
That's a penalty call there
It was a foul, but the Cavan man fell into it, would been harsh.
Only 6 in it now - Tyrone look determined to make a game of this.
Naw on reply, slipped before the tackle. Good call by ref.
60 minutes played. Tyrone 0-24 Cavan 0-17
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 13, 2025, 05:40:20 PMNaw on reply, slipped before the tackle. Good call by ref.
Player caught him on his head, with both fists
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 13, 2025, 05:41:34 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 13, 2025, 05:40:20 PMNaw on reply, slipped before the tackle. Good call by ref.
Player caught him on his head, with both fists
Didn't look like that to me.
Tyrone goal that should be it. 1-24 to 0-17.
Another Cavan player slipping into a Tyrone player lol
Good goal that should settle them down again.
Where will semi be? Croker? Clones? Newry? Breffni?
Why would Cavan not play McKeiran at Midfield, he's non-existant at wing forward.
It be in Clones.
Full time Tyrone 1-24 Cavan 0-20
Tyrone lifted the foot off the gas and we took the horrific look off the scoreboard there at least. But when the fat was really in the fire, we were shockingly, shockingly bad.
Tyrone players must love playing Cavan.
Quote from: cavanmaniac on April 13, 2025, 05:52:30 PMTyrone lifted the foot off the gas and we took the horrific look off the scoreboard there at least. But when the fat was really in the fire, we were shockingly, shockingly bad.
Tyrone players must love playing Cavan.
Is there an argument to be made that Cavan are the worst sude in ulster at the moment.
At least Antrim took the game to Armagh yesterday
Tyrone's Ulster title to lose after that performance today without Darragh Canavan
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 13, 2025, 05:55:32 PMQuote from: cavanmaniac on April 13, 2025, 05:52:30 PMTyrone lifted the foot off the gas and we took the horrific look off the scoreboard there at least. But when the fat was really in the fire, we were shockingly, shockingly bad.
Tyrone players must love playing Cavan.
Is there an argument to be made that Cavan are the worst sude in ulster at the moment.
At least Antrim took the game to Armagh yesterday
Honestly, no. When we play Tyrone, though, yes.
We'd beat Monaghan as often as not, who themselves would rightly fancy themselves against Tyrone at any time, as history has shown. Drawing a form line through that, Cavan should be fit to beat Tyrone at least occasionally but we go out against them with too much scar tissue and baggage, whereas we lick the lips at the sight of Monaghan. Just a different psychology, but a terrible reflection on players and management whose job it is to have themselves right for the big occasions and show some balls. That Cavan team has been round the block with tonnes of experience but still can't muster a gallop against Tyrone and that's an utterly shocking embarrassment to be honest.
I dont think Tyrone got any 2 pointers? Cavan got 4 or 5 , which gave it a closer look. McVeety was wxcellent.
Just out of that mind numbing game. Cavan brought nothing... no intensity nothing. Tyrone need Darragh back but did what was needed. Can't be faulted for Cavan being rubbish.
Tyrone certainly looked good in parts. But the big guns of Armagh/Donegal won't be losing any sleep on that performance.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 13, 2025, 05:39:32 PMIt was a foul, but the Cavan man fell into it, would been harsh.
;D
What's the issue with Darragh Canavan?
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2025, 06:11:23 PMTyrone need Darragh back but did what was needed.
He wasn't missed today, Without him managed a shooting efficiency of 75% today.
Don't think Armagh be going out with the timid attitude Cavan showed.
Armagh may pray their medical team work miracles to get some lads back, to have any chance in 2 weeks.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 13, 2025, 10:02:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2025, 06:11:23 PMTyrone need Darragh back but did what was needed.
He wasn't missed today, Without him managed a shooting efficiency of 75% today.
They will need him back . He is the one forward that is good for a goal. McCurry happy to chip over pts, but doesn't look to create goal chances.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on April 13, 2025, 06:16:28 PMTyrone certainly looked good in parts. But the big guns of Armagh/Donegal won't be losing any sleep on that performance.
Awk look I'm sure none of the big 3 who have played so far were anywhere near showing their full hand. First proper football will be Monaghan Donegal next week
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 13, 2025, 10:27:08 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 13, 2025, 10:02:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2025, 06:11:23 PMTyrone need Darragh back but did what was needed.
He wasn't missed today, Without him managed a shooting efficiency of 75% today.
They will need him back . He is the one forward that is good for a goal. McCurry happy to chip over pts, but doesn't look to create goal chances.
With or without him they'll likely beat Armagh if they have 75% shooting efficiency again.
Every team needs to take one game at a time. That's the main thing now.
No point worrying about/planning for 2 or 3 games down the line.
A cliché but win next game by 1pt then reset and go again. That's all that matters.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 13, 2025, 10:38:46 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on April 13, 2025, 10:27:08 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 13, 2025, 10:02:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2025, 06:11:23 PMTyrone need Darragh back but did what was needed.
He wasn't missed today, Without him managed a shooting efficiency of 75% today.
They will need him back . He is the one forward that is good for a goal. McCurry happy to chip over pts, but doesn't look to create goal chances.
With or without him they'll likely beat Armagh if they have 75% shooting efficiency again.
75 percent of 20 is 15, do you know how many shots they'll have against Armagh?
Quote from: flowerpot on April 13, 2025, 10:43:55 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 13, 2025, 10:38:46 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on April 13, 2025, 10:27:08 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 13, 2025, 10:02:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2025, 06:11:23 PMTyrone need Darragh back but did what was needed.
He wasn't missed today, Without him managed a shooting efficiency of 75% today.
They will need him back . He is the one forward that is good for a goal. McCurry happy to chip over pts, but doesn't look to create goal chances.
With or without him they'll likely beat Armagh if they have 75% shooting efficiency again.
75 percent of 20 is 15, do you know how many shots they'll have against Armagh?
Under the new rules I would expect over 30 shots.
Get your money on paddy power. I'm assuming you also know how many shots Armagh will have and their success rate.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 13, 2025, 10:38:46 PMQuote from: rodney trotter on April 13, 2025, 10:27:08 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 13, 2025, 10:02:53 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 13, 2025, 06:11:23 PMTyrone need Darragh back but did what was needed.
He wasn't missed today, Without him managed a shooting efficiency of 75% today.
They will need him back . He is the one forward that is good for a goal. McCurry happy to chip over pts, but doesn't look to create goal chances.
With or without him they'll likely beat Armagh if they have 75% shooting efficiency again.
In fairness they weren't shooting under much pressure today. It was like a challenge game. Tyrone didn't take on any 2 pointers when they had the wind. They might need them the next day.
Bar Morgan trying one long range free off the ground I don't believe Tyrone even attempted any 2 pointers. Strange approach given Armagh, Donegal (and 2nd half Cavan) being fairly adept at it.
Still not a fan of the rule to be honest ..Cavan were second best by a long way but the scoreline belied that fact at times. Gives a punchers chance to teams who are being well beaten. Exciting for crowd but not reflective of overall game.
Feel it kinda dulls a goal too.
Am sure supporters of any team mounting a 2point led comeback will disagree wholeheartedly though.
I think 2pters need to be exceptional scores, ie: from beyond the 45m line from play. The amount of 2pters in recent weeks shows it ain't actually that hard if you got a big boot. When u consider all the effort to try score a goal for 3pts, when 2 50m infringements can be scored for 4pts
Its looks proportionally easier for players at the top level to score 2 pointers, as it should be
Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers
Quote from: tiempo on April 14, 2025, 09:04:09 AMIts looks proportionally easier for players at the top level to score 2 pointers, as it should be
Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers
this is it, with the space with the 3 up it would encourage working goals more that working the ball round the arc for 2pts. we have inflated score lines but higher scoring doesnt really mean better. The 3 up was plenty.
Christ , but I hate these 2 pointers. Among other things
Quote from: tyroneman on April 14, 2025, 06:09:55 AMBar Morgan trying one long range free off the ground I don't believe Tyrone even attempted any 2 pointers. Strange approach given Armagh, Donegal (and 2nd half Cavan) being fairly adept at it.
Still not a fan of the rule to be honest ..Cavan were second best by a long way but the scoreline belied that fact at times. Gives a punchers chance to teams who are being well beaten. Exciting for crowd but not reflective of overall game.
Feel it kinda dulls a goal too.
Am sure supporters of any team mounting a 2point led comeback will disagree wholeheartedly though.
Id agree with all of that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2025, 08:10:03 AMI think 2pters need to be exceptional scores, ie: from beyond the 45m line from play. The amount of 2pters in recent weeks shows it ain't actually that hard if you got a big boot. When u consider all the effort to try score a goal for 3pts, when 2 50m infringements can be scored for 4pts
Really can't help but think that the four points for a goal should have been kept.
On a separate note I think the amount of 50m infringements being given away at the moment reflects very poorly on players. Far too many people seem to be blaming either the rule or refs when in 99% of the cases it is the correct decision. I would have thought that it would be the case that seeing one given away was a rarity by now given how costly breaking these rules are. I would imagine as the championship goes on the number will drop significantly.Given the penalty managers should surely be benching any player giving these away with any sort of regularity.
On a related note I've often thought it reflects poorly on the standard of GAA management/game intelligence/coaching how little managers seem to care about players who constantly commit fouls - so many managers seem to blame the refs for enforcing the rules as opposed to assigning responsibility to the players who are constantly giving the opposition easy scoring chances in every game they play.
Think the 2 pointer needs taken outside the 45 especially at county level. Any decent club player will score a free from the edge of the arc.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2025, 08:10:03 AMI think 2pters need to be exceptional scores, ie: from beyond the 45m line from play. The amount of 2pters in recent weeks shows it ain't actually that hard if you got a big boot. When u consider all the effort to try score a goal for 3pts, when 2 50m infringements can be scored for 4pts
Cavan hit a few on the bounce yesterday, none of which seemed like exceptional scores. That's 6 points like.
With a strong breeze its like a 25/30 yard shot for those players. Definitely not worth 2 points.
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 14, 2025, 09:40:26 AMQuote from: tiempo on April 14, 2025, 09:04:09 AMIts looks proportionally easier for players at the top level to score 2 pointers, as it should be
Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers
this is it, with the space with the 3 up it would encourage working goals more that working the ball round the arc for 2pts. we have inflated score lines but higher scoring doesnt really mean better. The 3 up was plenty.
Totally agree. I always thought the 2 points was a really bad idea. I would also do away with the 40m arc altogether. With players not allowed to pass back to the keeper there is already jeopardy with short kick outs and plenty of incentive for teams to press kick outs so the arc should go.
The ability to decide to take a free out for a two pointer is the really bad idea, be some craic if that decided an All Ireland Final.
Don't give the opposition the chance then.
Quote from: lenny on April 14, 2025, 11:54:37 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 14, 2025, 09:40:26 AMQuote from: tiempo on April 14, 2025, 09:04:09 AMIts looks proportionally easier for players at the top level to score 2 pointers, as it should be
Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers
this is it, with the space with the 3 up it would encourage working goals more that working the ball round the arc for 2pts. we have inflated score lines but higher scoring doesnt really mean better. The 3 up was plenty.
Totally agree. I always thought the 2 points was a really bad idea. I would also do away with the 40m arc altogether. With players not allowed to pass back to the keeper there is already jeopardy with short kick outs and plenty of incentive for teams to press kick outs so the arc should go.
I'd agree. If they really want to keep the 2 pointers, just make it any score from outside the 45. Simple to referee and brings more skill to it.
Scrap the arc and forced long kickout and I'd also scrap the backpass to keeper. At least scrap the arc and long kick, giving teams a fighting chance if getting cleaned out in the middle. The blanket defence around the arc and the fact that teams don't seem to be kicking long and high into the FF seems to negate the reasoning for a lot of the rules imo.
The half way rule annoys me too. At the Cavan v Tyrone game yesterday, Cavan player competed for a high ball and managed to break it down away from the tyrone player, but the ball spilled over the half way line - so he had to stop and couldn't chase the ball he just did all the hard work to break. What does that add to the game?
McNally & Cassidy should be nowhere near either semis or the final...
Cassidy allowed antrim to seriously injure some armagh players
McNally, made all about himself. What's new
Quote from: 5times5times on April 14, 2025, 01:04:49 PMMcNally & Cassidy should be nowhere near either semis or the final...
Cassidy allowed antrim to seriously injure some armagh players
McNally, made all about himself. What's new
Wise up
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2025, 12:50:01 PMQuote from: lenny on April 14, 2025, 11:54:37 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 14, 2025, 09:40:26 AMQuote from: tiempo on April 14, 2025, 09:04:09 AMIts looks proportionally easier for players at the top level to score 2 pointers, as it should be
Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers
this is it, with the space with the 3 up it would encourage working goals more that working the ball round the arc for 2pts. we have inflated score lines but higher scoring doesnt really mean better. The 3 up was plenty.
Totally agree. I always thought the 2 points was a really bad idea. I would also do away with the 40m arc altogether. With players not allowed to pass back to the keeper there is already jeopardy with short kick outs and plenty of incentive for teams to press kick outs so the arc should go.
I'd agree. If they really want to keep the 2 pointers, just make it any score from outside the 45. Simple to referee and brings more skill to it.
Scrap the arc and forced long kickout and I'd also scrap the backpass to keeper. At least scrap the arc and long kick, giving teams a fighting chance if getting cleaned out in the middle. The blanket defence around the arc and the fact that teams don't seem to be kicking long and high into the FF seems to negate the reasoning for a lot of the rules imo.
The half way rule annoys me too. At the Cavan v Tyrone game yesterday, Cavan player competed for a high ball and managed to break it down away from the tyrone player, but the ball spilled over the half way line - so he had to stop and couldn't chase the ball he just did all the hard work to break. What does that add to the game?
That's why being too prescriptive and telling teams where they should position their players on the pitch is the wrong approach imo.
Tyrone v Armagh - Croke?
Based on weekend attendances you could just open Hill 16!
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 14, 2025, 12:50:01 PMQuote from: lenny on April 14, 2025, 11:54:37 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 14, 2025, 09:40:26 AMQuote from: tiempo on April 14, 2025, 09:04:09 AMIts looks proportionally easier for players at the top level to score 2 pointers, as it should be
Mickey Harte makes a good point, with having to keep 3 up there's no need for 2 pointers
this is it, with the space with the 3 up it would encourage working goals more that working the ball round the arc for 2pts. we have inflated score lines but higher scoring doesnt really mean better. The 3 up was plenty.
Totally agree. I always thought the 2 points was a really bad idea. I would also do away with the 40m arc altogether. With players not allowed to pass back to the keeper there is already jeopardy with short kick outs and plenty of incentive for teams to press kick outs so the arc should go.
I'd agree. If they really want to keep the 2 pointers, just make it any score from outside the 45. Simple to referee and brings more skill to it.
Scrap the arc and forced long kickout and I'd also scrap the backpass to keeper. At least scrap the arc and long kick, giving teams a fighting chance if getting cleaned out in the middle. The blanket defence around the arc and the fact that teams don't seem to be kicking long and high into the FF seems to negate the reasoning for a lot of the rules imo.
The half way rule annoys me too. At the Cavan v Tyrone game yesterday, Cavan player competed for a high ball and managed to break it down away from the tyrone player, but the ball spilled over the half way line - so he had to stop and couldn't chase the ball he just did all the hard work to break. What does that add to the game?
Nothing. It's a load of b@llix
Quote from: tiempo on April 14, 2025, 02:24:06 PMTyrone v Armagh - Croke?
I'd focus on trying to fill a Ulster venue. Attendance in Omagh yesterday was 6791. Well down on 9950 in same fixture last year.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 12:35:24 PMDon't give the opposition the chance then.
So if a ref deems a player didn't hand a ball back because the opposition is acting the bollocks that's out of the players hands.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 14, 2025, 01:04:49 PMMcNally & Cassidy should be nowhere near either semis or the final...
Cassidy allowed antrim to seriously injure some armagh players
McNally, made all about himself. What's new
Totally agree, imagine the outrage if it was role reversals, yet the rose tinted supporters here are defending it, await the venom here if an Armagh player does similar during the summer.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 14, 2025, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 12:35:24 PMDon't give the opposition the chance then.
So if a ref deems a player didn't hand a ball back because the opposition is acting the bollocks that's out of the players hands.
Seen many cases like this so far. McKernan for example yesterday shoved around by two Cavan players after giving a free away and dropped the ball, ref brought it forward. Was at a minor game where a player committed a foul but got the ball. Opposition player ran past the player that was fouled to get the ball and the lad that fouled threw it back to the player that he fouled past the player that was running towards him, ref brought it forward. He was genuinely trying to give the ball back to the player he fouled and not the player that was running towards him and was punished for it. Funny though if he did give the ball to the player running towards him the ref would've called that player back to where the foul was committed so it would've slowed play down more than handing it back
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 14, 2025, 02:44:30 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 14, 2025, 02:36:28 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 12:35:24 PMDon't give the opposition the chance then.
So if a ref deems a player didn't hand a ball back because the opposition is acting the bollocks that's out of the players hands.
Seen many cases like this so far. McKernan for example yesterday shoved around by two Cavan players after giving a free away and dropped the ball, ref brought it forward. Was at a minor game where a player committed a foul but got the ball. Opposition player ran past the player that was fouled to get the ball and the lad that fouled threw it back to the player that he fouled past the player that was running towards him, ref brought it forward. He was genuinely trying to give the ball back to the player he fouled and not the player that was running towards him and was punished for it. Funny though if he did give the ball to the player running towards him the ref would've called that player back to where the foul was committed so it would've slowed play down more than handing it back
Put it over the bar yourself ref 👀 great line
I'd get rid of the arc completely too. It shouldn't have been brought in at all.
The rules should have been changed incrementally rather than a raft of changes.
Its impossible to figure out what impact each rule has when all applied together.
It's a mess.
1-34 in a cship match and not a hand laid on anybody. Is this what we want?
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on April 14, 2025, 02:49:20 PMI'd get rid of the arc completely too. It shouldn't have been brought in at all.
The rules should have been changed incrementally rather than a raft of changes.
Its impossible to figure out what impact each rule has when all applied together.
It's a mess.
1-34 in a cship match and not a hand laid on anybody. Is this what we want?
Agree with all of this. Too hard to distinguish what has actually benefited the game. Too much came in to fast.
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on April 14, 2025, 02:49:20 PMI'd get rid of the arc completely too. It shouldn't have been brought in at all.
The rules should have been changed incrementally rather than a raft of changes.
Its impossible to figure out what impact each rule has when all applied together.
It's a mess.
1-34 in a cship match and not a hand laid on anybody. Is this what we want?
Nope. Want to see scores more hard earned. We've gone from one extreme to another.
This handing the ball back is nonsense. Just set it on the ground would have been sufficient .
The more I see of matches, the worse the game looks
Jim Gavin and his cronies have a lot to answer for.
Aw lads just give up the whining.
We're not going back to 15 behind the ball boring sh1te.
Quote from: Armamike on April 14, 2025, 02:58:36 PMQuote from: SpeculativeEffort on April 14, 2025, 02:49:20 PMI'd get rid of the arc completely too. It shouldn't have been brought in at all.
The rules should have been changed incrementally rather than a raft of changes.
Its impossible to figure out what impact each rule has when all applied together.
It's a mess.
1-34 in a cship match and not a hand laid on anybody. Is this what we want?
Nope. Want to see scores more hard earned. We've gone from one extreme to another.
Absolutely however the penny didn't seem to drop with any in the FRC that a good game also includes good defending with hard earned scores.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 03:15:59 PMAw lads just give up the whining.
We're not going back to 15 behind the ball boring sh1te.
Some on here are in utter denail about the feedback the FRC has received on these rules changes.
Anyone who thinks there is even a remote possibility of any regression back to anything like the old rules is clearly miles out of touch with the majority of the organisation.
Quote from: SpeculativeEffort on April 14, 2025, 02:49:20 PMI'd get rid of the arc completely too. It shouldn't have been brought in at all.
The rules should have been changed incrementally rather than a raft of changes.
Its impossible to figure out what impact each rule has when all applied together.
It's a mess.
1-34 in a cship match and not a hand laid on anybody. Is this what we want?
Not so sure about the hand not laid bit. Antrim laid a right few hands on Armagh player's heads and faces ;) ;D
However, for the last few years gaelic football fans in general have bought into excessively criticizing their own sport, romanticising over the 70s/80s/90s (which is painfully hard to watch) all while being sucked in by the media love-in with hurling that convinced them that a score every 30 seconds from 90+ yards is a good thing.
When this accumulates for long enough the GAA are forced to act and so we got the FRC. I'm mostly in favour of the rules but ridiculously high scoring is genuinely not a good thing in my opinion.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 14, 2025, 03:37:22 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 03:15:59 PMAw lads just give up the whining.
We're not going back to 15 behind the ball boring sh1te.
Some on here are in utter denail about the feedback the FRC has received on these rules changes.
Anyone who thinks there is even a remote possibility of any regression back to anything like the old rules is clearly miles out of touch with the majority of the organisation.
Agreed.
My exact position is this - I wouldn't have made any of these changes, I would have left it completely alone, but when the changes came I was open minded, mostly embraced them and accepted that they are in for the long haul and made my peace that this is now our game.
What I can't understand, and I know a few of these, is people who demanded change, constantly criticised he game, then when they got the change they continued to complain that the rules were no good.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 03:15:59 PMAw lads just give up the whining.
We're not going back to 15 behind the ball boring sh1te.
Exactly that... might be more tweaking needed but to hear Mickey Harte girning about rule changes brought about because of coaches like him and Jimmy McGuinness who had ruined the game...
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 03:15:59 PMAw lads just give up the whining.
We're not going back to 15 behind the ball boring sh1te.
Nobody said they wanted that.
I was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 14, 2025, 04:15:59 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 03:15:59 PMAw lads just give up the whining.
We're not going back to 15 behind the ball boring sh1te.
Exactly that... might be more tweaking needed but to hear Mickey Harte girning about rule changes brought about because of coaches like him and Jimmy McGuinness who had ruined the game...
For a Tyrone fella you have an awful bee buzzing around in your bonnet with Mickey Harte while not realising without him Tyrone would likely be stuck on zero senior All Ireland titles so when he speaks it's worth paying attention.
As for Jimmy McGuinness "who had ruined the game" Donegal in 2012 and 2014 on route to winning and challenging for the All Ireland was better spectacle than what we have seen so far under these Frankenstein changes.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I seen a U16 score a 2pter from play the other nite, if they fit to score it at that age, I be doing away with it. Nobody knew what they were voting for. I suspect a few are beginning to see some of the new rules don't work.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 14, 2025, 04:57:45 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 14, 2025, 04:15:59 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 03:15:59 PMAw lads just give up the whining.
We're not going back to 15 behind the ball boring sh1te.
Exactly that... might be more tweaking needed but to hear Mickey Harte girning about rule changes brought about because of coaches like him and Jimmy McGuinness who had ruined the game...
For a Tyrone fella you have an awful bee buzzing around in your bonnet with Mickey Harte while not realising without him Tyrone would likely be stuck on zero senior All Ireland titles so when he speaks it's worth paying attention.
As for Jimmy McGuinness "who had ruined the game" Donegal in 2012 and 2014 on route to winning and challenging for the All Ireland was better spectacle than what we have seen so far under these Frankenstein changes.
I highly doubt Tyrone would have no All Irelands without him! Canavan, Cavanagh, Dooher, Gormley etc etc played their part too... but he did incredible job those years no doubt. Kinda got left behind the top coaches after 2010.
They won in 2021 because he was replaced and they were allowed play more expansive football... remember the two goals long kickout and high ball into the full forward.
Do you recall 2017 All Ireland semi-final Mark Bradley on his own up front againt 3 Dublin backs! :o
2012 Donegal played expansive football after that reverted to a total defensive shitshow that was copied all over the place. The 2014 All Ireland final was a horror show...
McGuinness will do well now, shame the whole game had to be revamped after what he started and Mickey and others copied...
Quote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
Poor crowd at Tyrone game. Maybe they are saving their money to go watch their Conor Bradley, etc at Windsor.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on April 14, 2025, 05:26:12 PMPoor crowd at Tyrone game. Maybe they are saving their money to go watch their Conor Bradley, etc at Windsor.
They were lucky. I was there and went for a coffee in the club during the second half and watched it on the big screen. It was dire. As people knew, Cavan brought no intensity.. nothing. Clones will be big crowd for the semi-final for clash of the giants!
4.45pm on a Saturday for Armagh v Tyrone, lucky getting 15,000.
Ridiculous time, it's nearly like they want folk to stay at home.
Personally think it's a great time. Late enough for anyone doing a half days work or children activities in morning etc. And home at reasonable
time if want a few drinks after. And no work to worry about next day.
Gaa fans seem to complain about everything. Every other sport has fixtures at that time and attract good crowds.
Cause everyone does a half days work or no work on a Saturday!
Can't see anything other than a comfortable Donegal victory next weekend. Monaghan have done well as a new team this year but will fall short against Donegals physicality and quality off the bench.
A 7 to 9 point win for the Tir Conaill men.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on April 14, 2025, 10:11:49 PMCan't see anything other than a comfortable Donegal victory next weekend. Monaghan have done well as a new team this year but will fall short against Donegals physicality and quality off the bench.
A 7 to 9 point win for the Tir Conaill men.
Donegal could win Ulster without having to play their strongest team.
Is the squad they have now much stronger than 2012?
Monaghan wouldn't lie off Donegal like Derry did. And have a keeper who can place the kickouts.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 14, 2025, 10:41:33 PMMonaghan wouldn't lie off Donegal like Derry did. And have a keeper who can place the kickouts.
I've yet to see a proper kick out strategy that works consistently. Be interesting to see his and how Donegal snuff it out
Beggan is an exception. I was at Downs last league game v Monaghan in Clones and his kickouts had to be seen to be believed. He has the distance, can pick out men on the run, and make a decision in a split second.
Down played very well that day and won by a point in a great game, but Beggans influence was unreal, very impressive. Even when he comes out to join the Monaghan attack, his passing into the ff line was first class.
I would go for Monaghan by 3 or 4, Donegal aren't the amazing team the Sunday Game and Peter in particular is making them out to be, they are in a cohort of 5 or 6 who all could beat each other on a given day.
The first Championship in a long time Monaghan won't have Conor McManus. The game being in Clones will be a help, but Donegal should prevail.
Going to be closer than people think, Monaghan might even nick it. 2 very good teams.
Sunday game panel fairly hyping up Tyrone's performance on Sunday, Armagh should not turn up as they'll get pumped by Tyrone who are now in the running for the All Ireland. Some turn around TBF and with Armagh struggling with a long injury list it's a Tyrone v Donegal final (apparently Monaghan need not turn up either)
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
Quote from: Angus MacGyver on April 14, 2025, 10:11:49 PMCan't see anything other than a comfortable Donegal victory next weekend. Monaghan have done well as a new team this year but will fall short against Donegals physicality and quality off the bench.
A 7 to 9 point win for the Tir Conaill men.
I don't recall us ever having a comfortable win against Monaghan, even in the league. Even the last time we met in 2016 when we were easily the better team across the two games, I think we only won the replay by a point or two in the end.
This is a 50/50 game for me. McManus may be gone, but Beggan significantly tips the balance in any game towards Monaghan. It just depends on what else they have and whether McGuinness can counter him.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
Quote from: J70 on April 15, 2025, 01:30:19 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on April 14, 2025, 10:11:49 PMCan't see anything other than a comfortable Donegal victory next weekend. Monaghan have done well as a new team this year but will fall short against Donegals physicality and quality off the bench.
A 7 to 9 point win for the Tir Conaill men.
I don't recall us ever having a comfortable win against Monaghan, even in the league. Even the last time we met in 2016 when we were easily the better team across the two games, I think we only won the replay by a point or two in the end.
This is a 50/50 game for me. McManus may be gone, but Beggan significantly tips the balance in any game towards Monaghan. It just depends on what else they have and whether McGuinness can counter him.
Monaghan had three weeks to prepare before this game enough time sharpen up defensively? as only the two relegated teams conceded more than them in division 2. Even in the league final that was won comfortably in the end Roscommon got 31 scoring chances in that game and Donegal are sure to more clinical if given a similar amount of chances
Quote from: J70 on April 15, 2025, 01:30:19 PMQuote from: Angus MacGyver on April 14, 2025, 10:11:49 PMCan't see anything other than a comfortable Donegal victory next weekend. Monaghan have done well as a new team this year but will fall short against Donegals physicality and quality off the bench.
A 7 to 9 point win for the Tir Conaill men.
I don't recall us ever having a comfortable win against Monaghan, even in the league. Even the last time we met in 2016 when we were easily the better team across the two games, I think we only won the replay by a point or two in the end.
This is a 50/50 game for me. McManus may be gone, but Beggan significantly tips the balance in any game towards Monaghan. It just depends on what else they have and whether McGuinness can counter him.
Monaghan have been going well and I've no doubt they'll put it up to Donegal, more than Derry did anyway.
Donegal got 1-10 from the Derry kickout, I don't see that happening against Monaghan with Beggan.
But Donegal will be too strong over the 70 I think. It's the first proper championship game though on paper, looking forward to it.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 15, 2025, 02:24:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.
And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.
From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.
Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.
Are high scores because
1 - players don't know how to defend anymore due to the blanket of recent years
or
2 - it's virtually impossible to dispossess or stop a ball carrier within the rules?
3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 15, 2025, 04:37:34 PM3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.
Ref can only move it forward if the players break the rules?
Quote from: flowerpot on April 15, 2025, 04:37:34 PM3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.
Yeah daft rule that.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 15, 2025, 04:37:34 PM3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.
Pesky refs enforcing rules ::)
Against stupid players who breach said rules.
Imagine anyone playing football for over two decades one way and given a few weeks to learn it another way, refs may as well give a penalty for an accidental or precieved breach that would teach them. Point is you asked what was contributing to the large scores this is a factor.
Point is refs seem to making multi mistakes during matches. A player queries that, its moved up. Who reviews a poor ref performance. Does somebody ever come out and say. Sorry that mistake cause you a game.
This in a nutshell.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 15, 2025, 06:38:39 PMPoint is refs seem to making multi mistakes during matches. A player queries that, its moved up. Who reviews a poor ref performance. Does somebody ever come out and say. Sorry that mistake cause you a game.
Ref's are assessed every game at that level.
Players managers make more mistakes in a game, period.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 15, 2025, 04:37:34 PM3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.
This one I really dislike. I don't mind the ref moving it up, that's fair, but that should be it. The player should not be allowed to go for 2
How come it's in Clones? I thought Armagh were on the 'home' side of the pairing. Maybe the policy for semi finals is always a neutral venue I assume
Quote from: Tyrone Split on April 15, 2025, 11:56:05 PMHow come it's in Clones? I thought Armagh were on the 'home' side of the pairing. Maybe the policy for semi finals is always a neutral venue I assume
semis alway neutral. Its not Leinster lol
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 15, 2025, 07:35:47 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 15, 2025, 04:37:34 PM3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.
This one I really dislike. I don't mind the ref moving it up, that's fair, but that should be it. The player should not be allowed to go for 2
I agree with that too, but I suppose what's stopping a player from intentionally not giving the ball over, or slabbering, to get a free outside the arc moved inside the arc. In that instance, you would obviously want to be able to take ut from where you originally were supposed to.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 03:56:11 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 15, 2025, 02:24:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.
And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.
From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.
Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.
Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 03:56:11 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 15, 2025, 02:24:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.
And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.
From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.
Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.
Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid
It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...
Or getting a 2 pointer against because Paudie was roaring in someone's face and not releasing the ball!
Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 03:56:11 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 15, 2025, 02:24:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.
And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.
From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.
Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.
Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid
It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...
I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're saying here :o
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
100 percent agree with this. Tap and go about the only thing I would keep.
Seems there are two types of people who follow football.
1. Those who can recall just how awful the game had become, especially in terms of lateral play.
2. Those with goldfish memories.
3. Those who enjoy the spectacle within the confine of whatever rules are in place. There have been matches under the old rules where 1-7 to 0-9 have been as enjoyable if not more than 1-24 to 1-34 under the new rules.
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 12:42:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 03:56:11 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 15, 2025, 02:24:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.
And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.
From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.
Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.
Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid
It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...
I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're saying here :o
Being daft isn't a crime, so no harm done
Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 01:46:33 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 12:42:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 03:56:11 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 15, 2025, 02:24:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.
And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.
From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.
Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.
Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid
It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...
I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're saying here :o
Being daft isn't a crime, so no harm done
Going from talking shite to personal insults... well done 👏
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 01:52:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 01:46:33 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 12:42:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 03:56:11 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 15, 2025, 02:24:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.
And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.
From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.
Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.
Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid
It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...
I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're saying here :o
Being daft isn't a crime, so no harm done
Going from talking shite to personal insults... well done 👏
Indeed
Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 02:03:28 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 01:52:34 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 01:46:33 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 12:42:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 11:25:07 AMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 16, 2025, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 03:56:11 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 15, 2025, 02:24:34 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 15, 2025, 10:44:04 AMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 05:16:43 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 14, 2025, 05:03:48 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on April 14, 2025, 04:33:47 PMI was just about to say you would need to stop giving your opinion on the rules lads or Rossfan would be in to give out to ya. But he beat me to it. 🤣
The only place there is constant giving out about the new rules is this forum ::)
They were voted in by over 90%.
I think you need to speak to more people. There is a lot of discussion about them. Some positive, some not so much. But your constant attempt to shut down discussion about them is as irritating as f**k.
I've been to good few games this year, Derry, Armagh and Tyrone games. A few club games now too.
The constant discussion in the crowd is, these rules are sh*te.
The media are fawning over the rules - and that's where the perception of them being all positive comes from.
Some rules are good, such as the tap and go, the dissent rule. Lets the game move quicker and cuts out the nonsense.
The rules were brought in to make the game more exciting, encourage kicking and long range scores.
So far, games are not more exciting - for me it's exciting when an underdog has a fighting chance and games are close. So far there have been no exciting games imo. I was at Tyrone v Cavan - even Tyrone fans were leaving before then end.
Have the new rules encouraged more kicking? Only from kickouts as far as I see.
How many balls are kicked into FF in any game? Has it increased since the new rules came in? I'd love to see the stats - which we were promised when these rules were brought in. We always had some long range scores, we now have some 2 pointers - has the % of long range scores gone up?
Have the new rules stopped the lateral play? Maybe reduced it a bit, but most lateral play now is across the new arc. Still plenty of lateral play.
I just don't get the where the huge improvement is as a spectacle.
There were a lot of good games in the league... rules do need tweaking. Is it really fault of the rules that Derry and Cavan got hammered?... 15 behind the ball and lateral and backward passing all day was a nightmare. Maybe the coaches have destroyed the game and it isn't retrievable.
In the league the rules changed half way through and there were plenty of rubbish games too.
And now we have 12 behind the ball with lateral passing around the arc. So that hasn't changed and there's no massive deluge of goals unless there is a sending off.
And no, the rules were not the reasons Derry and Cavan got beat, but they certainly contributed to the manner of defeat.
Under old rules, if you we losing all the MF battles from a long kickout, you have the option of going short to try to get back into the game, or at least to take pressure off by getting some possession. That's almost impossible now, so you just have to keep with the same long kick and continue to get wiped out. Who does that help? Not the spectator or either of the teams in my view.
From the perspective of the stronger teams, the rules are probably great. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Armagh...the underdog is now less likely to catch them. So the status quo remains.
I guarantee if Dublin/Kerry are getting continually beaten by 10 points under the new rules, all of a sudden the rules will change again.
Also in the league, not all the rules were applied to all the games! No hooter in Div 3/4.
No hooter in championship now either unless televised. So it's not an even playing field. Either apply the rules to every game or don't apply them I would have thought.
Where to start there?!
I'm a long time following football and don't think I've ever seen Dublin and Kerry getting continually beaten by 10 points! Like where did you pull that out of? The game has been a mess for years and needed changed nothing to do with Dublin or Kerry. #paranoid
It's when a Kerry or Dublin lose a semi final / final or two in games (when they were in control for large portions) due to the opposition getting a run on them (by winning the lotto on the long kickouts) in the closing 10mins...
I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're saying here :o
Being daft isn't a crime, so no harm done
Going from talking shite to personal insults... well done 👏
Indeed
Just stating I'd no idea what you were on about.. hardly personal insult... am now thinking you have no idea what you're on about either 😂😆
Wouldn't be new in fairness!
Quote from: thewobbler on April 16, 2025, 12:58:31 PMSeems there are two types of people who follow football.
1. Those who can recall just how awful the game had become, especially in terms of lateral play.
2. Those with goldfish memories.
3. Those who can see the need for change but not via a superimposed controlled experiment.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 16, 2025, 01:16:05 PM3. Those who enjoy the spectacle within the confine of whatever rules are in place. There have been matches under the old rules where 1-7 to 0-9 have been as enjoyable if not more than 1-24 to 1-34 under the new rules.
The new rules give no consideration to defenders or defensive play. Everything it to make it easier to score - so much so it devalues the individual score. Some people already saying Goal should be 4 under the new rules.
Rules that say a defender is not allowed to tackle. WTF?
Or rules that say you are allowed to defend, but not too much as we don't want the defender to win out.
Rules that say you're keeper can have the ball passed to him in his own half....even soccer allows that.
Rules that say when you've fallen on he ball with 3 opponents standing over you not allowing you up, if you dont immediately jump to your feet and hand the ball to the oppositions on conceding a free, that a 50m advance is given. Even if from your position you've no idea what way the free has been given.
But but but - lateral play was bad. Has it gone away now? Has it feck.
I remember seeing players score from outside the 45 in the old rules, now if you score from outside a 40m arc you get 2 points! That's not an improvement, that's devaluing what was a hard won score under old rules.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 16, 2025, 02:49:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 16, 2025, 01:16:05 PM3. Those who enjoy the spectacle within the confine of whatever rules are in place. There have been matches under the old rules where 1-7 to 0-9 have been as enjoyable if not more than 1-24 to 1-34 under the new rules.
The new rules give no consideration to defenders or defensive play. Everything it to make it easier to score - so much so it devalues the individual score. Some people already saying Goal should be 4 under the new rules.
Rules that say a defender is not allowed to tackle. WTF?
Or rules that say you are allowed to defend, but not too much as we don't want the defender to win out.
Rules that say you're keeper can have the ball passed to him in his own half....even soccer allows that.
Rules that say when you've fallen on he ball with 3 opponents standing over you not allowing you up, if you dont immediately jump to your feet and hand the ball to the oppositions on conceding a free, that a 50m advance is given. Even if from your position you've no idea what way the free has been given.
But but but - lateral play was bad. Has it gone away now? Has it feck.
I remember seeing players score from outside the 45 in the old rules, now if you score from outside a 40m arc you get 2 points! That's not an improvement, that's devaluing what was a hard won score under old rules.
The game had become completely unbearable and unwatchable. Many of the players hated it. I do agree is more tweaks needed and I'd say there will be.. you're talking about fixing a car wreck... not that easy to get back to it's prime ..
Quote from: thewobbler on April 16, 2025, 12:58:31 PMSeems there are two types of people who follow football.
1. Those who can recall just how awful the game had become, especially in terms of lateral play.
2. Those with goldfish memories.
3. Those who aren't a fan of seeing teams score 25/30 plus a game like it's an NBA game with minor things being brought up 50m for a handy score
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 16, 2025, 02:49:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 16, 2025, 01:16:05 PM3. Those who enjoy the spectacle within the confine of whatever rules are in place. There have been matches under the old rules where 1-7 to 0-9 have been as enjoyable if not more than 1-24 to 1-34 under the new rules.
The new rules give no consideration to defenders or defensive play. Everything it to make it easier to score - so much so it devalues the individual score. Some people already saying Goal should be 4 under the new rules.
Rules that say a defender is not allowed to tackle. WTF?
Or rules that say you are allowed to defend, but not too much as we don't want the defender to win out.
Rules that say you're keeper can have the ball passed to him in his own half....even soccer allows that.
Rules that say when you've fallen on he ball with 3 opponents standing over you not allowing you up, if you dont immediately jump to your feet and hand the ball to the oppositions on conceding a free, that a 50m advance is given. Even if from your position you've no idea what way the free has been given.
But but but - lateral play was bad. Has it gone away now? Has it feck.
I remember seeing players score from outside the 45 in the old rules, now if you score from outside a 40m arc you get 2 points! That's not an improvement, that's devaluing what was a hard won score under old rules.
Agreed. Said it somewhere else but watching McKernan being shoved around by 2 players and dropping the ball only for the ref to bring it forward 50m because he didn't (couldn't) hand the ball back isn't what we want to see. Not the refs fault as he's just following the rules. Stuff like that there and players catching a mark and running into opponents to get the ball brought forward 50m isn't actually good for the game
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 03:10:22 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 16, 2025, 02:49:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 16, 2025, 01:16:05 PM3. Those who enjoy the spectacle within the confine of whatever rules are in place. There have been matches under the old rules where 1-7 to 0-9 have been as enjoyable if not more than 1-24 to 1-34 under the new rules.
The new rules give no consideration to defenders or defensive play. Everything it to make it easier to score - so much so it devalues the individual score. Some people already saying Goal should be 4 under the new rules.
Rules that say a defender is not allowed to tackle. WTF?
Or rules that say you are allowed to defend, but not too much as we don't want the defender to win out.
Rules that say you're keeper can have the ball passed to him in his own half....even soccer allows that.
Rules that say when you've fallen on he ball with 3 opponents standing over you not allowing you up, if you dont immediately jump to your feet and hand the ball to the oppositions on conceding a free, that a 50m advance is given. Even if from your position you've no idea what way the free has been given.
But but but - lateral play was bad. Has it gone away now? Has it feck.
I remember seeing players score from outside the 45 in the old rules, now if you score from outside a 40m arc you get 2 points! That's not an improvement, that's devaluing what was a hard won score under old rules.
Agreed. Said it somewhere else but watching McKernan being shoved around by 2 players and dropping the ball only for the ref to bring it forward 50m because he didn't (couldn't) hand the ball back isn't what we want to see. Not the refs fault as he's just following the rules. Stuff like that there and players catching a mark and running into opponents to get the ball brought forward 50m isn't actually good for the game
Agree with all this.
Defenders are not allowed to do their job anymore. Give me a hard earned scored or a brilliant diving block over an athletic kicking a ball over a bar unopposed for 2 points any day of the week.
The McKernan one was completely ridiculous, he was being shoved around the place and gets further punished by the ball being brought forward 50m. I disagree that its not the refs fault, of course it was. If a player is get pushed or fouled they cant be expected to hand the ball back.
Wait until fans of the new rules suffer at the hands of them then there will be an uproar. Imagine losing an AI final for the ball being brought 50m forward because of an incident like McKernan's. You would be raging.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2025, 07:10:47 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 15, 2025, 06:38:39 PMPoint is refs seem to making multi mistakes during matches. A player queries that, its moved up. Who reviews a poor ref performance. Does somebody ever come out and say. Sorry that mistake cause you a game.
Ref's are assessed every game at that level.
Players managers make more mistakes in a game, period.
You can watch 4 games in a weekend and see the rules being applied differently each game. Has anyone ever seen black cards for a melee given since Gough game them to Tyrone/Armagh. Has anyone seen a black card and a penalty given for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity given since Gough gave one?
A poor ref decision can have far more of an impact than a mistake by a player or manager.
Rules need to be made simpler to help refs but lets not kid ourselves that refs are at a high consistent standard.
Before anyone jumps on supporting the ref bandwagon. Players and managers are criticized weekly during and after matches and national programs such as the Sunday Game. Its not much to ask that refs performances are reviewed as well
From Ulster GAA
Venue options for the second Semi-Final of the Ulster SFC were confirmed by Ulster CCC, as follows:
Sunday 27th April, 3.00pm
▪️If Fermanagh v Monaghan at Breffni Park
▪️If Fermanagh v Donegal at Clones
▪️If Down v Monaghan at Athletic Grounds
▪️If Down v Donegal at Clones
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 16, 2025, 03:29:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2025, 07:10:47 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 15, 2025, 06:38:39 PMPoint is refs seem to making multi mistakes during matches. A player queries that, its moved up. Who reviews a poor ref performance. Does somebody ever come out and say. Sorry that mistake cause you a game.
Ref's are assessed every game at that level.
Players managers make more mistakes in a game, period.
You can watch 4 games in a weekend and see the rules being applied differently each game. Has anyone ever seen black cards for a melee given since Gough game them to Tyrone/Armagh. Has anyone seen a black card and a penalty given for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity given since Gough gave one?
A poor ref decision can have far more of an impact than a mistake by a player or manager.
Rules need to be made simpler to help refs but lets not kid ourselves that refs are at a high consistent standard.
Before anyone jumps on supporting the ref bandwagon. Players and managers are criticized weekly during and after matches and national programs such as the Sunday Game. Its not much to ask that refs performances are reviewed as well
Don't mention the refs you will be told to go be a ref yourself and called a dose!
What new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 16, 2025, 02:49:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 16, 2025, 01:16:05 PM3. Those who enjoy the spectacle within the confine of whatever rules are in place. There have been matches under the old rules where 1-7 to 0-9 have been as enjoyable if not more than 1-24 to 1-34 under the new rules.
The new rules give no consideration to defenders or defensive play. Everything it to make it easier to score - so much so it devalues the individual score. Some people already saying Goal should be 4 under the new rules.
Rules that say a defender is not allowed to tackle. WTF?
Or rules that say you are allowed to defend, but not too much as we don't want the defender to win out.
Rules that say you're keeper can have the ball passed to him in his own half....even soccer allows that.
Rules that say when you've fallen on he ball with 3 opponents standing over you not allowing you up, if you dont immediately jump to your feet and hand the ball to the oppositions on conceding a free, that a 50m advance is given. Even if from your position you've no idea what way the free has been given.
But but but - lateral play was bad. Has it gone away now? Has it feck.
I remember seeing players score from outside the 45 in the old rules, now if you score from outside a 40m arc you get 2 points! That's not an improvement, that's devaluing what was a hard won score under old rules.
Agree completely.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 16, 2025, 03:29:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2025, 07:10:47 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 15, 2025, 06:38:39 PMPoint is refs seem to making multi mistakes during matches. A player queries that, its moved up. Who reviews a poor ref performance. Does somebody ever come out and say. Sorry that mistake cause you a game.
Ref's are assessed every game at that level.
Players managers make more mistakes in a game, period.
You can watch 4 games in a weekend and see the rules being applied differently each game. Has anyone ever seen black cards for a melee given since Gough game them to Tyrone/Armagh. Has anyone seen a black card and a penalty given for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity given since Gough gave one?
A poor ref decision can have far more of an impact than a mistake by a player or manager.
Rules need to be made simpler to help refs but lets not kid ourselves that refs are at a high consistent standard.
Before anyone jumps on supporting the ref bandwagon. Players and managers are criticized weekly during and after matches and national programs such as the Sunday Game. Its not much to ask that refs performances are reviewed as well
At least Gough is consistent on that he gave them out in the Armagh Derry game. Of course I still don't know what a melee actually is but that's not Gough's fault.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Indeed.
Hopefully the opinions of the more vociferous on here are not widely shared, because if these improvements are rolled back and the game regresses back to what it became over the past five years, I'm personally done with it. I've got better things to do.
Sportsmanship? Gaelic football one of those games that I wouldn't associate with sportsmanship. Hand the ball bck, oh f**king why. Just set it down.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
Quote from: J70 on April 16, 2025, 05:46:29 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Indeed.
Hopefully the opinions of the more vociferous on here are not widely shared, because if these improvements are rolled back and the game regresses back to what it became over the past five years, I'm personally done with it. I've got better things to do.
not sure if these new rules are necessarily improvements. What we're witnessing now is a shoot out with 2 teams hardly laying a glove on each other.
The ball being brought forward 50 yards is ridiculous imo and equally ridiculous is the player being allowed to then bring it out to tap over an easy 2 pointer.
Was at Down/Louth league game, Down forward lost possession, he was then chasing back the Louth player who then went over half way, Down player had to stop when he reached half way allowing Louth player to run on, it was weird to watch.
Part of what makes gaa so special is the intensity and the tackles, at the minute we've lost that, be interesting to see how it evolves as year goes on.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:06:11 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
Come on now lol. The ball ended up in the opposition players hands from where the foul was committed. This is the type of stuff that turns people against the refs. Use a bit of cop on and stop making an issue out of nothing. They aren't in nursery having to say please and thank you and hold hands. They're nearly adults ffs. No doubt if he handed the ball to the player running at him the ref would've brought it back to where the foul was committed.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 09:13:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:06:11 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
Come on now lol. The ball ended up in the opposition players hands from where the foul was committed. This is the type of stuff that turns people against the refs. Use a bit of cop on and stop making an issue out of nothing. They aren't in nursery having to say please and thank you and hold hands. They're nearly adults ffs. No doubt if he handed the ball to the player running at him the ref would've brought it back to where the foul was committed.
Again I've said I don't like it and provided there's no malice/intent or piss taking I'll let it slide.. but the rule is the rule. Either we want ref's to be robots or we like some common sense
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2025, 07:55:39 PMSportsmanship? Gaelic football one of those games that I wouldn't associate with sportsmanship. Hand the ball bck, oh f**king why. Just set it down.
Such a lack of sportsmanship that refs got hit, had to hide in the boots of cars, get escorted off the pitch such was the levels of savagery from time to time, something had to be done
The rule is, Not handing the ball to the nearest opposition player (handing ball back in full). Sounds like the ref was 100% correct, the player did not hand it back and also not to the nearest opponent.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 09:23:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2025, 07:55:39 PMSportsmanship? Gaelic football one of those games that I wouldn't associate with sportsmanship. Hand the ball bck, oh f**king why. Just set it down.
Such a lack of sportsmanship that refs got hit, had to hide in the boots of cars, get escorted off the pitch such was the levels of savagery from time to time, something had to be done
Don't think the new rules will help that at all..
Quote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2025, 05:41:42 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 16, 2025, 03:29:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2025, 07:10:47 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 15, 2025, 06:38:39 PMPoint is refs seem to making multi mistakes during matches. A player queries that, its moved up. Who reviews a poor ref performance. Does somebody ever come out and say. Sorry that mistake cause you a game.
Ref's are assessed every game at that level.
Players managers make more mistakes in a game, period.
You can watch 4 games in a weekend and see the rules being applied differently each game. Has anyone ever seen black cards for a melee given since Gough game them to Tyrone/Armagh. Has anyone seen a black card and a penalty given for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity given since Gough gave one?
A poor ref decision can have far more of an impact than a mistake by a player or manager.
Rules need to be made simpler to help refs but lets not kid ourselves that refs are at a high consistent standard.
Before anyone jumps on supporting the ref bandwagon. Players and managers are criticized weekly during and after matches and national programs such as the Sunday Game. Its not much to ask that refs performances are reviewed as well
At least Gough is consistent on that he gave them out in the Armagh Derry game. Of course I still don't know what a melee actually is but that's not Gough's fault.
It was 4 reds that Gough gave to Tyrone and 1 to Armagh. Not black cards.
Some were saying this would be a precedent set but we knew at the time it was Gough taking a chance to put manners on Tyrone for perceived "cute hoorism" during the All Ireland win and it has been proven since.
Quote from: nrico2006 on April 16, 2025, 08:12:10 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 15, 2025, 07:35:47 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 15, 2025, 04:37:34 PM3. Ref moving in frees and folk opting for 2 pointers.
This one I really dislike. I don't mind the ref moving it up, that's fair, but that should be it. The player should not be allowed to go for 2
I agree with that too, but I suppose what's stopping a player from intentionally not giving the ball over, or slabbering, to get a free outside the arc moved inside the arc. In that instance, you would obviously want to be able to take ut from where you originally were supposed to.
I get what you're saying but think that's a different set of circumstances. Or maybe a free should only be worth 1 regardless of where it's taken from. Like a 45
Quote from: inroundthesquare on April 16, 2025, 09:34:50 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 16, 2025, 05:41:42 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 16, 2025, 03:29:28 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 15, 2025, 07:10:47 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 15, 2025, 06:38:39 PMPoint is refs seem to making multi mistakes during matches. A player queries that, its moved up. Who reviews a poor ref performance. Does somebody ever come out and say. Sorry that mistake cause you a game.
Ref's are assessed every game at that level.
Players managers make more mistakes in a game, period.
You can watch 4 games in a weekend and see the rules being applied differently each game. Has anyone ever seen black cards for a melee given since Gough game them to Tyrone/Armagh. Has anyone seen a black card and a penalty given for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity given since Gough gave one?
A poor ref decision can have far more of an impact than a mistake by a player or manager.
Rules need to be made simpler to help refs but lets not kid ourselves that refs are at a high consistent standard.
Before anyone jumps on supporting the ref bandwagon. Players and managers are criticized weekly during and after matches and national programs such as the Sunday Game. Its not much to ask that refs performances are reviewed as well
At least Gough is consistent on that he gave them out in the Armagh Derry game. Of course I still don't know what a melee actually is but that's not Gough's fault.
It was 4 reds that Gough gave to Tyrone and 1 to Armagh. Not black cards.
Some were saying this would be a precedent set but we knew at the time it was Gough taking a chance to put manners on Tyrone for perceived "cute hoorism" during the All Ireland win and it has been proven since.
Yeah but since that Armagh v Tyrone game the rule has changed so that contributing to a melee is now a black card and not a red.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 16, 2025, 09:30:46 PMThe rule is, Not handing the ball to the nearest opposition player (handing ball back in full). Sounds like the ref was 100% correct, the player did not hand it back and also not to the nearest opponent.
Is it like bowls, get the string out to determine the nearest opposition player
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 16, 2025, 09:33:24 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 16, 2025, 09:23:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 16, 2025, 07:55:39 PMSportsmanship? Gaelic football one of those games that I wouldn't associate with sportsmanship. Hand the ball bck, oh f**king why. Just set it down.
Such a lack of sportsmanship that refs got hit, had to hide in the boots of cars, get escorted off the pitch such was the levels of savagery from time to time, something had to be done
Don't think the new rules will help that at all..
I suppose it depends on how much a team values winning a game
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:21:22 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 09:13:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:06:11 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
Come on now lol. The ball ended up in the opposition players hands from where the foul was committed. This is the type of stuff that turns people against the refs. Use a bit of cop on and stop making an issue out of nothing. They aren't in nursery having to say please and thank you and hold hands. They're nearly adults ffs. No doubt if he handed the ball to the player running at him the ref would've brought it back to where the foul was committed.
Again I've said I don't like it and provided there's no malice/intent or piss taking I'll let it slide.. but the rule is the rule. Either we want ref's to be robots or we like some common sense
So why couldn't he apply common sense and see there was no intent to delay the game? Maybe it is in the rules that you have to give it to another player that's 5 yards away from where the foul was committed giving them even more of an advantage than they already have but I thought you were meant to give it to the opponent you fouled. Could be wrong on that
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 16, 2025, 09:30:46 PMThe rule is, Not handing the ball to the nearest opposition player (handing ball back in full). Sounds like the ref was 100% correct, the player did not hand it back and also not to the nearest opponent.
So if the nearest opposition player is behind you and closer to your own net than you are you have to hand it to them? Sounds like another flaw in the rules. Attackers already have all the advantages they could need. If it's in the rules that they're legally allowed to take a free from 5/10/however many yards the ref deems the closest player is then that needs look at
Three or four lads round a player slapping away at the ball, player falls, unable to solo, to bounce to pass, ref deems player to have over carried, how long will he give for said player on ground possibly on top of the ball with multiple bodies around him to get himself to his feet and hand the ball to the "nearest" opposition player, even if he lets go the ball is still probably under him.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 07:55:26 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:21:22 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 09:13:46 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:06:11 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
Come on now lol. The ball ended up in the opposition players hands from where the foul was committed. This is the type of stuff that turns people against the refs. Use a bit of cop on and stop making an issue out of nothing. They aren't in nursery having to say please and thank you and hold hands. They're nearly adults ffs. No doubt if he handed the ball to the player running at him the ref would've brought it back to where the foul was committed.
Again I've said I don't like it and provided there's no malice/intent or piss taking I'll let it slide.. but the rule is the rule. Either we want ref's to be robots or we like some common sense
So why couldn't he apply common sense and see there was no intent to delay the game? Maybe it is in the rules that you have to give it to another player that's 5 yards away from where the foul was committed giving them even more of an advantage than they already have but I thought you were meant to give it to the opponent you fouled. Could be wrong on that
You can give it to the nearest player, and that was an update/amendment on the rule.. But either way by rule, you can't throw it, and applying common sense is great it does open the door to players/management/supporters to have a go at the ref for not following the rules and using common sense
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:06:11 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
are they being t
hat pedantic? If I foul someone and thrown the ball to them is it that different from handing it back to them?
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2025, 08:45:42 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:06:11 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
are they being t
hat pedantic? If I foul someone and thrown the ball to them is it that different from handing it back to them?
Yes, one is throwing the ball, and the other is handing it back, the main gurn from people watching games is no consistency from the ref's and when a clear and defined rule comes out like 'you must hand the ball back to the player' people are up in arms!! The risk of getting a ref that will follow the rules (which we want lol) and losing the match for not handing the ball back is not worth it, so why not do it?
Is it being pedantic on the rule? Probably, I personally don't like it and if it happens I apply common sense which is generally frowned by the team that feels they should be getting a free 50 meters up the pitch..
As an example, I blew the whistle for a free, it was a 60/40 free type thing where possibly one player thought he'd won the free, it happens, he played on and I understood that he thought he'd won the free, I explained who the free was for and reasons behind it, the other team and officials wanted the ball moved forward. Now by rule I should have possibly moved that forward, but I allowed that there may have been some confusion and they took the free from the spot of foul..
Am I wrong? Would an assessor have marked me down? Probably
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2025, 08:59:58 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2025, 08:45:42 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:06:11 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
are they being t
hat pedantic? If I foul someone and thrown the ball to them is it that different from handing it back to them?
Yes, one is throwing the ball, and the other is handing it back, the main gurn from people watching games is no consistency from the ref's and when a clear and defined rule comes out like 'you must hand the ball back to the player' people are up in arms!! The risk of getting a ref that will follow the rules (which we want lol) and losing the match for not handing the ball back is not worth it, so why not do it?
Is it being pedantic on the rule? Probably, I personally don't like it and if it happens I apply common sense which is generally frowned by the team that feels they should be getting a free 50 meters up the pitch..
As an example, I blew the whistle for a free, it was a 60/40 free type thing where possibly one player thought he'd won the free, it happens, he played on and I understood that he thought he'd won the free, I explained who the free was for and reasons behind it, the other team and officials wanted the ball moved forward. Now by rule I should have possibly moved that forward, but I allowed that there may have been some confusion and they took the free from the spot of foul..
Am I wrong? Would an assessor have marked me down? Probably
I think its silly. Maybe the rule should have said give the ball back. I am not talking about throwing the ball 10 yards. Im on about if i tackle you and get the ball but the ref blows and I am a yard away and throwing it back. Is that such a big thing?
The new rule coming in is you have to say there you go, here is the ball, have a great game.
As I feared Gaelic football is beyond repair... thanks Jimmy, Mickey..
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2025, 09:02:26 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2025, 08:59:58 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 17, 2025, 08:45:42 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 09:06:11 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 08:02:09 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 16, 2025, 05:44:03 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 16, 2025, 05:03:16 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 16, 2025, 04:15:46 PMWhat new rule says a defender can't block a kick (in play)?
All rule changes are "imposed from above" i.e., Congress.
Blocking a free/mark is cynical play and deserves a 50m punishment.
Handing the ball to an opponent for a free is good sportsmanship.
Abusing refs and officials gas to be stopped.
Said it before but was at a minor game where one of our lads fouled opposition player A. Opposition player B ran up to him to take the ball of our player. Our player threw the ball over players B head back to player A and where the foul was committed. Referee brought it forward 50m. Did our player not practice good sportsmanship there and still punished for it? Funny if our player did give it to player B though I'm sure the ref would send him back to where the foul was committed, slowing the game down.
As Mulligan said on BBC how do players know what refs take as abuse? Someone could say something innocuous enough and the ref could take it the wrong way all of a sudden it's brought up for a either a guaranteed point or a chance for 2.
As MilltownRow constantly says, players and managers make mistakes. But I've heard them get abuse shouted at them if the mistake is bad enough either from teammates or management. If refs make a mistake why would they not get shouted at too? It's unrealistic
Player should not have thrown the ball anywhere, everything after that is pointless.. A player doesn't lose his manliness by handing the ball back and sticking to the rule (I don't like it btw, but its in place). Just hand it back..
I think you know when someone is being a dick with their comments, if you don't, well you (not you personally) could be intitled to DLA!
Refs will make far less mistakes in a game than a player or a manager, fouling, misplaced pass, shooting instead of passing, touching the ball on the ground, too many steps, dissent the list goes on, as for the manager, picking the wrong team, wrong tactics, poor training sessions, bad preparation and so on..
I've managed senior teams in senior leagues, we lose is not down to the referee, as there will be a lot of reasons in that game over 60 odd minutes as to why we lost, but it won't be down to those odd calls you didn't get in a game, they also manage to even themselves out over the course of the game, losers blame the ref
He gave the ball back to the player he fouled and from where the foul was committed. Is that not the rule? Does it state somewhere in the rule that he has to pass the ball to the player 5 yards ahead of where the foul was committed because that doesn't sound fair.
You said he threw, so he didn't hand it back?
are they being t
hat pedantic? If I foul someone and thrown the ball to them is it that different from handing it back to them?
Yes, one is throwing the ball, and the other is handing it back, the main gurn from people watching games is no consistency from the ref's and when a clear and defined rule comes out like 'you must hand the ball back to the player' people are up in arms!! The risk of getting a ref that will follow the rules (which we want lol) and losing the match for not handing the ball back is not worth it, so why not do it?
Is it being pedantic on the rule? Probably, I personally don't like it and if it happens I apply common sense which is generally frowned by the team that feels they should be getting a free 50 meters up the pitch..
As an example, I blew the whistle for a free, it was a 60/40 free type thing where possibly one player thought he'd won the free, it happens, he played on and I understood that he thought he'd won the free, I explained who the free was for and reasons behind it, the other team and officials wanted the ball moved forward. Now by rule I should have possibly moved that forward, but I allowed that there may have been some confusion and they took the free from the spot of foul..
Am I wrong? Would an assessor have marked me down? Probably
I think its silly. Maybe the rule should have said give the ball back. I am not talking about throwing the ball 10 yards. Im on about if i tackle you and get the ball but the ref blows and I am a yard away and throwing it back. Is that such a big thing?
If that's the rules they have in place they need looked at. Our player had no intention of delaying the game. Ridiculous that the likes of that and the Cavan ones knocking the ball from McKernans hands are deemed as delaying the game. Same as yesterday in the U20s. Come the end of the year I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in favour of those types of situations being brought forward for a handy point or a chance of 2
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 08:04:13 AMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 16, 2025, 09:30:46 PMThe rule is, Not handing the ball to the nearest opposition player (handing ball back in full). Sounds like the ref was 100% correct, the player did not hand it back and also not to the nearest opponent.
So if the nearest opposition player is behind you and closer to your own net than you are you have to hand it to them? Sounds like another flaw in the rules. Attackers already have all the advantages they could need. If it's in the rules that they're legally allowed to take a free from 5/10/however many yards the ref deems the closest player is then that needs look at
As far as I understand it is to prevent scenarios where it pays to foul and delay. If you foul then the advantage should be to the player who was fouled. You have to hand the ball back. The reason teams delay is to get players back to prevent scores. The reason players want to throw the ball is so that they can get back and prevent a score. Why, allow the fouler an advantage here, just because that is always how it was?
Well said.
Foul play shouldn't pay.
And the below scenario ?
Quote from: flowerpot on April 17, 2025, 08:19:12 AMThree or four lads round a player slapping away at the ball, player falls, unable to solo, to bounce to pass, ref deems player to have over carried, how long will he give for said player on ground possibly on top of the ball with multiple bodies around him to get himself to his feet and hand the ball to the "nearest" opposition player, even if he lets go the ball is still probably under him.
A technical foul as he can't release, yet could be punished with a 2 pointer because he also can't hand ball back quick enough!
I'm not a fan of the 2 pointers especially for frees. He still fouled the ball though. Either by bad decision making taking it into a congested area and or by good tackling from the opposition. Or maybe he just took too many steps. I think most want to see turnovers (except when its against your own team), yes there will be wrong calls and if a new rule results in a lot of poor calls then it needs changed or removed. Most of the games I have seen it has been down to players still having old habits of holding onto the ball and not bad calls.
Would it not have made more sense for the rule to be fouling player must place the ball on the ground within 2/3 seconds if in possession and move out of way of kicker. Keeps players apart, so no throwing or slowly walking with the ball over. And if ball has broken free (which I'd guess would be 50% + of times) do the 50m punishment for the aggressor if they touch/ interfere with the ball or player. So attacking team can run and get ball to hit the quick free if on. Prob more similar to what was there before but I think they're trying too hard to control all actions to prevent any negative consequences. And I understand why, but it's a tight line. If you try and regulate all shows of passion or frustration, then it dulls the games to a certain extend.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2025, 10:47:33 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 08:04:13 AMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 16, 2025, 09:30:46 PMThe rule is, Not handing the ball to the nearest opposition player (handing ball back in full). Sounds like the ref was 100% correct, the player did not hand it back and also not to the nearest opponent.
So if the nearest opposition player is behind you and closer to your own net than you are you have to hand it to them? Sounds like another flaw in the rules. Attackers already have all the advantages they could need. If it's in the rules that they're legally allowed to take a free from 5/10/however many yards the ref deems the closest player is then that needs look at
As far as I understand it is to prevent scenarios where it pays to foul and delay. If you foul then the advantage should be to the player who was fouled. You have to hand the ball back. The reason teams delay is to get players back to prevent scores. The reason players want to throw the ball is so that they can get back and prevent a score. Why, allow the fouler an advantage here, just because that is always how it was?
He threw the ball directly to him? It went to his chest. Nowhere near enough time to gain an advantage and get players back. If he did want to get players back it actually would've suited him to run back towards the player he fouled and hand the ball directly to him like you're saying he should've done. So if he were to follow the rules that were brought in to stop delay of game he would've actually delayed the game more by running back towards the player instead of throwing it to him. That's a bit backwards, no?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 11:43:39 AMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2025, 10:47:33 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 08:04:13 AMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 16, 2025, 09:30:46 PMThe rule is, Not handing the ball to the nearest opposition player (handing ball back in full). Sounds like the ref was 100% correct, the player did not hand it back and also not to the nearest opponent.
So if the nearest opposition player is behind you and closer to your own net than you are you have to hand it to them? Sounds like another flaw in the rules. Attackers already have all the advantages they could need. If it's in the rules that they're legally allowed to take a free from 5/10/however many yards the ref deems the closest player is then that needs look at
As far as I understand it is to prevent scenarios where it pays to foul and delay. If you foul then the advantage should be to the player who was fouled. You have to hand the ball back. The reason teams delay is to get players back to prevent scores. The reason players want to throw the ball is so that they can get back and prevent a score. Why, allow the fouler an advantage here, just because that is always how it was?
He threw the ball directly to him? It went to his chest. Nowhere near enough time to gain an advantage and get players back. If he did want to get players back it actually would've suited him to run back towards the player he fouled and hand the ball directly to him like you're saying he should've done. So if he were to follow the rules that were brought in to stop delay of game he would've actually delayed the game more by running back towards the player instead of throwing it to him. That's a bit backwards, no?
We can argue the rights and wrongs of it all year long, but anyone that does it their way when the rules call it another can't really have any complaints
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 17, 2025, 11:30:05 AMWould it not have made more sense for the rule to be fouling player must place the ball on the ground within 2/3 seconds if in possession and move out of way of kicker. Keeps players apart, so no throwing or slowly walking with the ball over. And if ball has broken free (which I'd guess would be 50% + of times) do the 50m punishment for the aggressor if they touch/ interfere with the ball or player. So attacking team can run and get ball to hit the quick free if on. Prob more similar to what was there before but I think they're trying too hard to control all actions to prevent any negative consequences. And I understand why, but it's a tight line. If you try and regulate all shows of passion or frustration, then it dulls the games to a certain extend.
Its fine to have frustration and have the passion, just direct it elsewhere and not at the ref, he's not doing it back so why give him 'frustration' communication is of course a two way street and better communication from the ref with regards to his call should be enough, whether he's right or wrong, that's the call, jumping about like a header isn't going to fix it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2025, 01:29:31 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 11:43:39 AMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2025, 10:47:33 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 08:04:13 AMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 16, 2025, 09:30:46 PMThe rule is, Not handing the ball to the nearest opposition player (handing ball back in full). Sounds like the ref was 100% correct, the player did not hand it back and also not to the nearest opponent.
So if the nearest opposition player is behind you and closer to your own net than you are you have to hand it to them? Sounds like another flaw in the rules. Attackers already have all the advantages they could need. If it's in the rules that they're legally allowed to take a free from 5/10/however many yards the ref deems the closest player is then that needs look at
As far as I understand it is to prevent scenarios where it pays to foul and delay. If you foul then the advantage should be to the player who was fouled. You have to hand the ball back. The reason teams delay is to get players back to prevent scores. The reason players want to throw the ball is so that they can get back and prevent a score. Why, allow the fouler an advantage here, just because that is always how it was?
He threw the ball directly to him? It went to his chest. Nowhere near enough time to gain an advantage and get players back. If he did want to get players back it actually would've suited him to run back towards the player he fouled and hand the ball directly to him like you're saying he should've done. So if he were to follow the rules that were brought in to stop delay of game he would've actually delayed the game more by running back towards the player instead of throwing it to him. That's a bit backwards, no?
We can argue the rights and wrongs of it all year long, but anyone that does it their way when the rules call it another can't really have any complaints
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 17, 2025, 11:30:05 AMWould it not have made more sense for the rule to be fouling player must place the ball on the ground within 2/3 seconds if in possession and move out of way of kicker. Keeps players apart, so no throwing or slowly walking with the ball over. And if ball has broken free (which I'd guess would be 50% + of times) do the 50m punishment for the aggressor if they touch/ interfere with the ball or player. So attacking team can run and get ball to hit the quick free if on. Prob more similar to what was there before but I think they're trying too hard to control all actions to prevent any negative consequences. And I understand why, but it's a tight line. If you try and regulate all shows of passion or frustration, then it dulls the games to a certain extend.
Its fine to have frustration and have the passion, just direct it elsewhere and not at the ref, he's not doing it back so why give him 'frustration' communication is of course a two way street and better communication from the ref with regards to his call should be enough, whether he's right or wrong, that's the call, jumping about like a header isn't going to fix it
I guess so it's part of the game now so might as well accept it and move on. Just like how ones were/are complaining about the fisted point, possession football, swarm tackling should accept that that's apart of the game too
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 17, 2025, 01:29:31 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 11:43:39 AMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 17, 2025, 10:47:33 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 17, 2025, 08:04:13 AMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 16, 2025, 09:30:46 PMThe rule is, Not handing the ball to the nearest opposition player (handing ball back in full). Sounds like the ref was 100% correct, the player did not hand it back and also not to the nearest opponent.
So if the nearest opposition player is behind you and closer to your own net than you are you have to hand it to them? Sounds like another flaw in the rules. Attackers already have all the advantages they could need. If it's in the rules that they're legally allowed to take a free from 5/10/however many yards the ref deems the closest player is then that needs look at
As far as I understand it is to prevent scenarios where it pays to foul and delay. If you foul then the advantage should be to the player who was fouled. You have to hand the ball back. The reason teams delay is to get players back to prevent scores. The reason players want to throw the ball is so that they can get back and prevent a score. Why, allow the fouler an advantage here, just because that is always how it was?
He threw the ball directly to him? It went to his chest. Nowhere near enough time to gain an advantage and get players back. If he did want to get players back it actually would've suited him to run back towards the player he fouled and hand the ball directly to him like you're saying he should've done. So if he were to follow the rules that were brought in to stop delay of game he would've actually delayed the game more by running back towards the player instead of throwing it to him. That's a bit backwards, no?
We can argue the rights and wrongs of it all year long, but anyone that does it their way when the rules call it another can't really have any complaints
Quote from: trueblue1234 on April 17, 2025, 11:30:05 AMWould it not have made more sense for the rule to be fouling player must place the ball on the ground within 2/3 seconds if in possession and move out of way of kicker. Keeps players apart, so no throwing or slowly walking with the ball over. And if ball has broken free (which I'd guess would be 50% + of times) do the 50m punishment for the aggressor if they touch/ interfere with the ball or player. So attacking team can run and get ball to hit the quick free if on. Prob more similar to what was there before but I think they're trying too hard to control all actions to prevent any negative consequences. And I understand why, but it's a tight line. If you try and regulate all shows of passion or frustration, then it dulls the games to a certain extend.
Its fine to have frustration and have the passion, just direct it elsewhere and not at the ref, he's not doing it back so why give him 'frustration' communication is of course a two way street and better communication from the ref with regards to his call should be enough, whether he's right or wrong, that's the call, jumping about like a header isn't going to fix it
Totally agree. I know there was times when i played that you'd give away a free and it's more anger at yourself that's showing. Or if I didn't think it was a foul, I'd say "aww no!!" But more to myself. I agree , anything directed at the ref should be punished. I know it's hard to fine the line going down that route. Like you say, in the past most refs used common sense whether a player was just frustrated or being argumentative towards the ref. I just hope that continues.
I'd be all for removing the 2 pointer. The rule changes predominantly came about to remove the lateral play, mass defending, and general boredom. The 3 up, 3 back sorts that out. The kickout rules also help. The tap and go is also a great introduction. But for me, the 2 pointer is overcompensating for what is just another skill of the game in kicking a ball 40 yards with some accuracy. There was nothing wrong with the scoring system before. Scorelines such as 1-34 to 1-23 devalues the scores to a degree and we're gonna see alot more of that before the year is out. Scrap the 2 pointer at the next opportunity.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 17, 2025, 11:15:19 AMAnd the below scenario ?
Quote from: flowerpot on April 17, 2025, 08:19:12 AMThree or four lads round a player slapping away at the ball, player falls, unable to solo, to bounce to pass, ref deems player to have over carried, how long will he give for said player on ground possibly on top of the ball with multiple bodies around him to get himself to his feet and hand the ball to the "nearest" opposition player, even if he lets go the ball is still probably under him.
A technical foul as he can't release, yet could be punished with a 2 pointer because he also can't hand ball back quick enough!
I've seen this exact scenario numerous times so far and that is just not fair.
There are also plenty of scenarios where the person with the ball legitimately thinks they have the free, but the ref has given it the other way. That can result in 50m.
Its at the point where the player needs to quickly locate the ref, see what way the free is given and potentially hand a ball over before the ref deems it too much time and punish with 50ms. Also seen this numerous times.
Too many rules introduced all at once with no real trial. The railway cup trial was a joke.
The dissent rule, the way its working out is good I think. Solo and go is very good as it gives the fouled player the advantage. Handing the ball over should be scrapped in favour of the old rule - but they could keep the 50m element of it.
I've always hated the Mark - and still think its got no place in the game.
Get rid of all the other new rules imo.
Will the Armagh Tyrone game be televised? It is not currently being listed in the GAA+ overseas list of games https://www.gaaplus.ie/matches/live
Quote from: dec on April 17, 2025, 10:01:57 PMWill the Armagh Tyrone game be televised? It is not currently being listed in the GAA+ overseas list of games https://www.gaaplus.ie/matches/live
Of course it will be televised. Ulster semi finals always are.
Very very low key build up to Fermanagh V Down.
Can't see there being a huge crowd.
We had an good league with the exception of the Kildare result and were in the mix for promotion.
We should have no fear of Down.
Fermanagh just home from a training week in Portugal.
We have had an awful record in the Ulster Championship under the current management and against Ulster teams in general in knockout football under this management ( beaten twice at home in the last 2 seasons by Antrim in the Tailtean) .
We need to put in a performance tomorrow of some description but the bookies have us at 11/2.
Quote from: FermGael on April 18, 2025, 11:21:48 AMVery very low key build up to Fermanagh V Down.
Can't see there being a huge crowd.
We had an good league with the exception of the Kildare result and were in the mix for promotion.
We should have no fear of Down.
Fermanagh just home from a training week in Portugal.
We have had an awful record in the Ulster Championship under the current management and against Ulster teams in general in knockout football under this management ( beaten twice at home in the last 2 seasons by Antrim in the Tailtean) .
We need to put in a performance tomorrow of some description but the bookies have us at 11/2.
Now there's an idea.... 🤔
Quote from: FermGael on April 18, 2025, 11:21:48 AMVery very low key build up to Fermanagh V Down.
Can't see there being a huge crowd.
We had an good league with the exception of the Kildare result and were in the mix for promotion.
We should have no fear of Down.
Fermanagh just home from a training week in Portugal.
We have had an awful record in the Ulster Championship under the current management and against Ulster teams in general in knockout football under this management ( beaten twice at home in the last 2 seasons by Antrim in the Tailtean) .
We need to put in a performance tomorrow of some description but the bookies have us at 11/2.
Every down game this season has been very tight. 11/2 is a huge price. Almost an insult. Would expect a 1 or 2 point win either way. Hard one to call. We really should have at least drew with louth and cavan. Last week's cavan and tyrone game shows the huge gulf in class between the top and middle tier.
1-64 to 1-58
Teams for the two quarter finals any surprises?
DONEGAL
Shaun Patton
Finbarr Roarty, Brendan McCole, Peadar Mogan
Ryan McHugh, Odhran McFadden Ferry, Jeaic Mack Ceallabhuí
Hugh McFadden, Ciaran Thompson
Dáire Ó Baoill, Shane O'Donnell, Ciaran Moore
Patrick McBrearty, Michael Murphy, Conor O'Donnell.
Subs: Gavin Mulreany, Caolan McColgan, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran Doherty, Aaron Doherty, Eoin McHugh, Michael Langan, Jamie Brennan, Niall O'Donnell, Oisin Gallen, Jason McGee.
MONAGHAN:
Rory Beggan
Ryan Wylie, Ryan O'Toole, Dylan Byrne
Aaron Carey, Dessie Ward, Conor McCarthy
Micheal McCarville, Gary Mohan
Stephen O'Hanlon, Mícheál Bannigan, Ciaran McNulty
David Garland, Andrew Woods, Jack McCarron.
Subs: Kian Mulligan, Jason Irwin, Gavin McPhillips, Darren Hughes, Joel Wilson, Ryan McAnespie, Barry McBennett, Kieran Duffy, Fergal Hanratty, Stephen Mooney, Karl O'Connell.
FERMANAGH:
Sean McNally
Luke Flanagan, Lee Cullen, Oisin Smyth
Jonathan Cassidy, Declan McCusker, Fionan O'Brien
Joe McDade, Darragh McGurn
Shane McGullion, Ryan Lyons, Paul Breen
Josh Largo Ellis, Garvan Jones, Sean Cassidy.
Subs: Ross Bogue, Ché Cullen, Conor Love, Ronan McCaffrey, Aaron Jones, Aogan Kelm, Conor McGee, Oisin Murphy, Brandon Horan, Diarmuid King, Glenn Treacy.
DOWN:
Ronan Burns
Patrick McCarthy, Peter Fegan, Ceilum Doherty
Ryan Magill, Pierce Laverty, Miceal Rooney;
Daniel Guinness, Ryan McEvoy;
Danny Magill, Odhran Murdock, Eugene Branagan
James Guinness, Pat Havern, Conor McCrickard.
Subs: John O'Hare, Ruairi McCormack, Aaron McClements, Donal Scullion, Shay Millar, Adam Crimmins, Finn McElroy, Caolan Mooney, Gareth McKibben, Patrick Brooks, John McGeough.
Surprised to see Jack mccarron starting for Monaghan. I thought he was being used, well, as an impact sub. I could be wrong here but I didn't think dessie ward was a defender.
Also how many county teams wouldn't have Oisin gallen starting.
Quigley would have been well suited to the new game too.
I wouldn't bet on that being Monaghan's starting team, I would've thought McAnespie (a named sub) is a starter.
It's all academic as this is a monumental Donegal team, full of football legends with jaws of granite, graced with the speed of Cú Chulainn and have the returned messiah at their helm, all versus a team riddled with some hyperactive midgets and a few oul' lads.
I see Goldrick is the ref and it was he who brilliantly reffed the last great Monaghan Donegal duel, the 2013 Ulster final. Donegal had emerged from their defensive mode for that game and were well beaten. They soon slunk back into their defensive ways and greatly contributed to the truly awful Ulster finals of 2014 and 2015 (under Gallagher).
That's all well in the past and for Monaghan on Sunday I suppose a victory of sorts would be losing by less than 5 points but there's always hope for better.
Are you allowed to go back to your keeper of you're in the box? Seems to be what the Fermanagh ones are protesting there. Bad mistake from the ref if that's the case
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 19, 2025, 04:11:45 PMAre you allowed to go back to your keeper of you're in the box? Seems to be what the Fermanagh ones are protesting there. Bad mistake from the ref if that's the case
Yes referee was wrong
The keeper can collect the ball from a defender inside the big square.
Ref was correct.
a player may only pass the ball back to his goalkeeper if they are both inside the large rectangle of their own goal and the ball was played into the large rectangle by an opposing player
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2025, 04:17:30 PMThe keeper can collect the ball from a defender inside the big square.
Only if the ball is won in the square initially
Decent game so far in wet conditions. 20 mins gone Fermanagh 0-5 Down 0-8. Five. points in a row for Down. Some save and then a block to prevent a Down goal there.
That's a very poor call on the black card.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 19, 2025, 04:20:51 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 19, 2025, 04:17:30 PMThe keeper can collect the ball from a defender inside the big square.
Only if the ball is won in the square initially
Yes
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on April 19, 2025, 04:33:14 PMThat's a very poor call on the black card.
Shocker.
Could also argue it was correct.
Half time Fermanagh 0-8 Down 0-11
Has Brewster park been sown with a crop of earlies looks like a very heavy pitch.
No way that Down man 4m away there.
Christ I'd be raging if I was a Fermanagh supporter. Take the point for once. That's about 5 times they've went for goal
Daniel Guinness took 17 steps before he shot there. Yes he was tackled but that's mad
I still to see where the skill is, in kicking the ball long out the field, 15 men competing for it. Where's the skill?
It's the way they all clatter into one another, spill the ball and frantically try to retrieve it, it's up there with the top skills. Plus keeper needs a quare hoof on him.
Love is very classy player
Ye bucks need to take up chess.
Cmon Fermanagh!!!
Great two pointer by the full back. Fermanagh and now another score as i type Fermanagh 0-17 Down 0-13 after 48 minutes.
Impressive from Fermanagh, Down shocking. Complacency is a hoor.
I had been thinking about the 5/1 odds for Fermanagh before this, but unfortunately did not act on my thoughts.
Fair play to Fermanagh.
Down are in Sam anyway, they won't go far.
Down have no plan from the kick-out
Down 4 pts up just after half-time, have totally imploded; management seem bereft of ideas
What was the odds on Fermanagh to win before this game? Down look totally lost since half time.
Would help if they'd mark Love!
Love has been outstanding for Fermanagh. He plays a bit of soccer and it shows. I remember he impressed against Gowna a few years ago in Ulster Club.
They bother to change anybody on Love.
Down player talking back to the ref there MR2. Should that not have been moved forward or is it dependent on what was said? Thought if you question a decision at all it would be brought forward
60 mins played. Fermanagh 0-21 Down 0-15
Goal for Down on 65 mins. Fermanagh 0-22 Down 1-17
Goal Down from nowhere really
Kickouts are a total mess these days.
Down level it up 0-22 to 1-19. Two minutes left.
Goal for Down to surely win it.
FT Fermanagh 0-23 Down 2-19. Fermanagh will be kicking themselves 7 in front with 7 minutes to play.
Throw ball!
Daylight Robbery here.
Ah Fermanagh what are you at??!!
Some collapse.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:41:58 PMDaylight Robbery here.
I'd say more Fermanagh threw it away than Down robbing them.
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2025, 05:43:52 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:41:58 PMDaylight Robbery here.
I'd say more Fermanagh threw it away than Down robbing them.
Totally agree, last 10 minutes a mess.
Some crowd there.
Good game. Fermanagh will be crushed after that.
The Guinness goal was a brilliant score and suddenly brought Down back into it. Murdoch also outstanding in the last ten. But Fermanagh really blew it
Jeez we got away with one there, looked to be only one winner for most of the second half. Odhran Murdock and Daniel Guinness really stepped up in last 10 minutes
Fermanagh had that game won however game management poor in the last ten minutes of that match.
Bottle job by Fermanagh. Hard to know how that got away from them.
Even the first Down goal, man never should got in to get thd shot off.
BBC's production this year is poor, match continuing regularly and they are looking at replays or people in the crowd. Niblock's ego is getting out of control, has spoiled what was an excellent podcast and trying too hard to make everything super exciting on commentary, and the less said the better about McMahon. The lack of rule knowledge by both is also shocking.
And the really sad thing is, its the only show in town for watching GAA as RTE with canning an Marty is unbearable.
Thanks Fermanagh... but we're fecked in the semi final...
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 19, 2025, 04:11:45 PMAre you allowed to go back to your keeper of you're in the box? Seems to be what the Fermanagh ones are protesting there. Bad mistake from the ref if that's the case
I think only if the ball is played in by the opposition and the defender catches it in the box?
Quote from: pbat on April 19, 2025, 06:02:30 PMBBC's production this year is poor, match continuing regularly and they are looking at replays or people in the crowd. Niblock's ego is getting out of control, has spoiled what was an excellent podcast and trying too hard to make everything super exciting on commentary, and the less said the better about McMahon. The lack of rule knowledge by both is also shocking.
And the really sad thing is, its the only show in town for watching GAA as RTE with canning an Marty is unbearable.
Niblock said McEvoy is more use to full back because he plays there with kilcoo. He has been midfield for the last few years with Down.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:06:42 PMI still to see where the skill is, in kicking the ball long out the field, 15 men competing for it. Where's the skill?
THE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE CONTESTS!
(the gospel according to Eamonn Fitzmaurice)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 19, 2025, 05:50:00 PMFermanagh had that game won however game management poor in the last ten minutes of that match.
Agree when Down got level after pinning Fermanagh in for a prolonged period, Fermanagh kick an awful ball over sideline poor basic skill error should have took the sting out of game and tried work a winning score. I think Down maybe got the winning goal off this.
Hopefully Down put in same fight when chips are down against Donegal in two weeks.
Down will be happy to get the win with Havern being pretty anonymous. Daniel Guinness was outstanding especially when game looked dead and buried.
Quote from: pbat on April 19, 2025, 06:02:30 PMBBC's production this year is poor, match continuing regularly and they are looking at replays or people in the crowd. Niblock's ego is getting out of control, has spoiled what was an excellent podcast and trying too hard to make everything super exciting on commentary, and the less said the better about McMahon. The lack of rule knowledge by both is also shocking.
And the really sad thing is, its the only show in town for watching GAA as RTE with canning an Marty is unbearable.
Niblock tries to make it exciting and to be fair, he does his best but overcooks it at times. Similiar to his podcasts - needs to keep it a bit simllier at times. Less is more.
Philly picks another player on losing team as MOTM. This time Love but I can understand it as Fermanagh were in control until last 5 mins.
If up by 8pts, teams still have a chance nowadays. Previous to that 5pts and the gamd was gone in reality.
Quote from: pbat on April 19, 2025, 06:02:30 PMBBC's production this year is poor, match continuing regularly and they are looking at replays or people in the crowd. Niblock's ego is getting out of control, has spoiled what was an excellent podcast and trying too hard to make everything super exciting on commentary, and the less said the better about McMahon. The lack of rule knowledge by both is also shocking.
And the really sad thing is, its the only show in town for watching GAA as RTE with canning an Marty is unbearable.
Loving the positivity mate, any more posts to make?
100% throw ball imo for the Down winning goal.
Quote from: LarryStiles on April 19, 2025, 06:40:09 PMHopefully Down put in same fight when chips are down against Donegal in two weeks.
Monaghan??
Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 19, 2025, 06:50:22 PMQuote from: pbat on April 19, 2025, 06:02:30 PMBBC's production this year is poor, match continuing regularly and they are looking at replays or people in the crowd. Niblock's ego is getting out of control, has spoiled what was an excellent podcast and trying too hard to make everything super exciting on commentary, and the less said the better about McMahon. The lack of rule knowledge by both is also shocking.
And the really sad thing is, its the only show in town for watching GAA as RTE with canning an Marty is unbearable.
Loving the positivity mate, any more posts to make?
100% throw ball imo for the Down winning goal.
the 3 guys in the studio all agreed in the end (after a few replays) it wasn't a throw ball
Quote from: gallsman on April 19, 2025, 06:21:35 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:06:42 PMI still to see where the skill is, in kicking the ball long out the field, 15 men competing for it. Where's the skill?
THE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE CONTESTS!
(the gospel according to Eamonn Fitzmaurice)
Haven't seen Eamonn criticise any of the new rules at all. That's one of the things I don't like either. Some of the rules are bs and not a word said about them when he's on but anytime the rules have a positive impact all you'll hear is "Yeah that's the benefit of the new rules there it's what the people want to see"
Well he's on the FRC so if he was criticising them live on air or in a newspaper there'd be fair few words had ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:06:42 PMI still to see where the skill is, in kicking the ball long out the field, 15 men competing for it. Where's the skill?
You don't see the skill in clean catching or winning breaking ball??
If you're keeper and your team are prepared and skilful enough you can work kickouts to retain possession like Donegal and Dublin do.
I'd have an alternative view to yours in that the new rules are showing up where skills are lacking!
Old rules showed up lack of skills picking up loose players, but you keep convincing yourself everything is rosey.
60 plus kickouts how many clean catches?
You can't challenge for a ball in the middle from a kickout anymore. Will it be a non contact sport in a few years.
The ref was poor enough also.
Guinness and Murtagh dragged Down through today.
Semi finals Next Sunday.
Murdock was by a mile the best down player. Referee did well.
Quote from: screenexile on April 19, 2025, 07:16:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:06:42 PMI still to see where the skill is, in kicking the ball long out the field, 15 men competing for it. Where's the skill?
You don't see the skill in clean catching or winning breaking ball??
If you're keeper and your team are prepared and skilful enough you can work kickouts to retain possession like Donegal and Dublin do.
I'd have an alternative view to yours in that the new rules are showing up where skills are lacking!
You just want to go back to catch and kick?
How many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
Put it like this in 60 throws at treble 20 I'd get 10. Some skill there!
Quote from: reddgnhand on April 19, 2025, 10:48:24 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 19, 2025, 07:16:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:06:42 PMI still to see where the skill is, in kicking the ball long out the field, 15 men competing for it. Where's the skill?
You don't see the skill in clean catching or winning breaking ball??
If you're keeper and your team are prepared and skilful enough you can work kickouts to retain possession like Donegal and Dublin do.
I'd have an alternative view to yours in that the new rules are showing up where skills are lacking!
You just want to go back to catch and kick?
And them all wearing flat hats.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 19, 2025, 11:36:37 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on April 19, 2025, 10:48:24 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 19, 2025, 07:16:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:06:42 PMI still to see where the skill is, in kicking the ball long out the field, 15 men competing for it. Where's the skill?
You don't see the skill in clean catching or winning breaking ball??
If you're keeper and your team are prepared and skilful enough you can work kickouts to retain possession like Donegal and Dublin do.
I'd have an alternative view to yours in that the new rules are showing up where skills are lacking!
You just want to go back to catch and kick?
And them all wearing flat hats.
Don't forget the fags in their mouths ;D
Flowerspot is just a reincarnation of some other fool that's on here. I really struggle why people have multiple names on here.
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 19, 2025, 11:44:58 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 19, 2025, 11:36:37 PMQuote from: reddgnhand on April 19, 2025, 10:48:24 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 19, 2025, 07:16:51 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 05:06:42 PMI still to see where the skill is, in kicking the ball long out the field, 15 men competing for it. Where's the skill?
You don't see the skill in clean catching or winning breaking ball??
If you're keeper and your team are prepared and skilful enough you can work kickouts to retain possession like Donegal and Dublin do.
I'd have an alternative view to yours in that the new rules are showing up where skills are lacking!
You just want to go back to catch and kick?
And them all wearing flat hats.
Don't forget the fags in their mouths ;D
And the usual get it in to the big full forward screams.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
And then kick it up front for another scrappy contest? Catch and kick.
Well our Goalkeeper can't even manage a 20m chip out to a defender.
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly
If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.
The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly
If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.
The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.
I think my issue is that it seriously hampers the ability of teams to decide to go short. It also punishes adversely the teams who are taking the kick out if they don't at least break the ball. The rule makes defensive structure much harder to maintain. I think that's too much of a punishment.
In the old rules there had become a real risk reward jeopardy on pushing up on kick outs. I preferred that but felt teams were too conservative in their approach. Under the current rules I think there's less scope for variation and it makes things slightly more boring. All that said the more I watch the games on TV as opposed to being there the more I can see why neutral tv audiences may prefer a lot of the newer rules.
Is the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly
If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.
The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.
You mean like most team sports?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly
If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.
The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.
It adds more to the game. You can as an opposition choose to press that kick, maybe allow a weaker player get the ball then put pressure on, the skill in getting a man free for a short kick out if the opposition do press up. Now its just hoof and hope most of the time.
Quote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AMQuote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway
Quote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 11:50:07 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AMQuote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AMQuote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
Don't you know the Munster hurling championship takes over on rte for thr next month. Marty will be waxing lyrical about it.
Quote from: snoopdog on April 20, 2025, 12:18:15 PMQuote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 11:50:07 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AMQuote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AMQuote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
Don't you know the Munster hurling championship takes over on rte for thr next month. Marty will be waxing lyrical about it.
In fairness I have long thought of the Munster Hurling Championship as one of the finest competitions in any sport so I can't really complain about that. I thought BBC may have offered an alternative given they have the rights to the game but c'est la vie
Quote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 11:50:07 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AMQuote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway
Must have been his Internet connection, the stream was perfect for me
Munster Hurling Championship is the jewel in the GAA's crown for sure.
They should show every game live.
Top notch stuff.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly
If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.
The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.
I never said that. There's a skill in finding players in pockets no matter what you think. Remember a Kerry game last year or hear before where they were under serious pressure. Shane Ryan had 2 or 3 kickouts and went short with them whilst opposition pressed up. Was the winning of the game as they managed to retain possession. Didn't have to go long. There was more skill in those kickouts than there is in a hit and hope kickout. If it went wrong a goal was on straight away. That's the kickouts I like to see. Pressure on the keeper and he still remained calm and picked his players out
Farcical
Referees still struggling with the rules then even with all the support they have?
Seems to and it's potentially a 4 point swing
Impressed with Monaghan so far. Really pressuring Donegal up the field. Think we'll need a good lead going into the second half.
Is there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
With all due respect there hasn't really been any real football played in this half with the exception of Thompson's points. It's all overlaps and wrap-around plays. There's very little of players actually taking on their defenders. It's a very very dull spectacle.
Half time Monaghan 0-8 Donegal 0-14
Christ the GAA+ coverage is horrible.
McNamee has a bit of work to do as a pundit.
Donegal cruising.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Let's see.
In soccer, attackers aren't allowed to be ahead of defenders, meaning up to 50% of the field.
In rugby, neither attackers nor defenders can be ahead of the ball, meaning up to 99.9 of the field.
In NFL, the offensive line are unable to receive the ball until it has passed the line of scrimmage. Which is up to 99.9% of field.
Basketball's back court rule means 50% of the court is out of action for everyone once the ball crosses that line.
So while I can see you're trying to make a point here, the point you're trying to make is not one that supports your general argument.
Quote from: p3427977 on April 20, 2025, 02:47:00 PMQuote from: J70 on April 20, 2025, 02:18:46 PMImpressed with Monaghan so far.
Really?
First 15 minutes when I made the comment, yes. We've been well on top since, although they've knocked over enough to keep them in touch with the breeze to come.
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:47:10 PMChrist the GAA+ coverage is horrible.
McNamee has a bit of work to do as a pundit.
Donegal cruising.
Is this McNamee's first time out?
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2025, 02:52:16 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:47:10 PMChrist the GAA+ coverage is horrible.
McNamee has a bit of work to do as a pundit.
Donegal cruising.
Is this McNamee's first time out?
It could be yeah but he's struggling.
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2025, 02:51:28 PMQuote from: p3427977 on April 20, 2025, 02:47:00 PMQuote from: J70 on April 20, 2025, 02:18:46 PMImpressed with Monaghan so far.
Really?
First 15 minutes when I made the comment, yes. We've been well on top since, although they've knocked over enough to keep them in touch with the breeze to come.
Bit better now
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:47:10 PMChrist the GAA+ coverage is horrible.
McNamee has a bit of work to do as a pundit.
Donegal cruising.
He seems very nervous doesn't he.
FT Monaghan 0-21 Donegal 0-23
So what happened there?
Has Coldrick made a balls of that at the end?
Surely Monaghan should've been allowed one more play there
Quote from: Sheedy on April 20, 2025, 03:39:55 PMSurely Monaghan should've been allowed one more play there
Looking forward to the replay midweek.
Hooter is such bollix.
He's ballsed that up there surely? plus wasn't there a mistske in 1st half where both sets of players breached the 3 up rule and he gave a Donegal free instead of a hop ball. Bad day at the office for an elite ref.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
I see cork scored in the 78th minute. Does that mean there is no hooter in hurling?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
Lol could say the same for ones that have been complaining about the game over the past decade or so. Referee pulling keepers anymore on taking their time on kickouts? Patton seemed like he was out for a walk in the park there
Quote from: trileacman on April 20, 2025, 03:43:16 PMI see cork scored in the 78th minute. Does that mean there is no hooter in hurling?
Hurling nots broken, no change required for the best Irish sporting event!
What a game too
Leaving aside the issue at the end, hard luck to Monaghan. Could easily have got a result there today, despite us having a few opportunities to add on a few extra points late on. Gallen looked a bit off-form there today, although he was tightly marked at all times. Another fine performance from Finbarr Roarty who looks made for this level so far. Overall we've a lot of improving left to do before we meet the bigger teams, whether in Ulster or the groups.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 03:45:13 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
Lol could say the same for ones that have been complaining about the game over the past decade or so. Referee pulling keepers anymore on taking their time on kickouts? Patton seemed like he was out for a walk in the park there
That rule was quashed recently
Right call re hooter
Quote from: Sheedy on April 20, 2025, 03:39:55 PMSurely Monaghan should've been allowed one more play there
The only thing I can think off is that the ball was deemed out of play when the hooter blew.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:46:45 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 03:45:13 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
Lol could say the same for ones that have been complaining about the game over the past decade or so. Referee pulling keepers anymore on taking their time on kickouts? Patton seemed like he was out for a walk in the park there
That rule was quashed recently
No, it wasn't.
The 20s guidance was extended to 30s but at the referee's discretion.
The pundits said it was a Donegal ball that went out at the hooter?
Don't know anything about McNamee, but seems a bit quiet and reserved for the punditry game. But maybe it's his first time out.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:50:39 PMThe pundits said it was a Donegal ball that went out at the hooter?
That would make more sense.
Quote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 03:48:55 PMQuote from: Sheedy on April 20, 2025, 03:39:55 PMSurely Monaghan should've been allowed one more play there
The only thing I can think off is that the ball was deemed out of play when the hooter blew.
You have to get it back in play before the hooter sounds - which O'Toole could have done.
Quote from: DuffleKing on April 20, 2025, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:46:45 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 03:45:13 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
Lol could say the same for ones that have been complaining about the game over the past decade or so. Referee pulling keepers anymore on taking their time on kickouts? Patton seemed like he was out for a walk in the park there
That rule was quashed recently
No, it wasn't.
The 20s guidance was extended to 30s but at the referee's discretion.
It's down to refs discretion so anyone taking 30 seconds will end up being pulled.. did anyone time it?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:51:59 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on April 20, 2025, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:46:45 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 03:45:13 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
Lol could say the same for ones that have been complaining about the game over the past decade or so. Referee pulling keepers anymore on taking their time on kickouts? Patton seemed like he was out for a walk in the park there
That rule was quashed recently
No, it wasn't.
The 20s guidance was extended to 30s but at the referee's discretion.
It's down to refs discretion so anyone taking 30 seconds will end up being pulled.. did anyone time it?
Is it 30 seconds from the ball going dead or from the keeper setting the ball?
If the latter, definitely not 30 seconds.
Quote from: J70 on April 20, 2025, 03:53:20 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:51:59 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on April 20, 2025, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:46:45 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 03:45:13 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
Lol could say the same for ones that have been complaining about the game over the past decade or so. Referee pulling keepers anymore on taking their time on kickouts? Patton seemed like he was out for a walk in the park there
That rule was quashed recently
No, it wasn't.
The 20s guidance was extended to 30s but at the referee's discretion.
It's down to refs discretion so anyone taking 30 seconds will end up being pulled.. did anyone time it?
Is it 30 seconds from the ball going dead or from the keeper setting the ball?
If the latter, definitely not 30 seconds.
Ball going dead.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:51:59 PMQuote from: DuffleKing on April 20, 2025, 03:50:12 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:46:45 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 03:45:13 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
Lol could say the same for ones that have been complaining about the game over the past decade or so. Referee pulling keepers anymore on taking their time on kickouts? Patton seemed like he was out for a walk in the park there
That rule was quashed recently
No, it wasn't.
The 20s guidance was extended to 30s but at the referee's discretion.
It's down to refs discretion so anyone taking 30 seconds will end up being pulled.. did anyone time it?
"Patton wasted 26 seconds on that last kickout
Dessie Ward wide 69.26
Patton kickout 69.52"
From Wooly on twitter. Still feel they should be sharper on that. Thought the whole thing about the new rules is that it's meant to speed the game up
Thoughts on the line ball. Should it have been play on or was ref correct.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 03:58:02 PMThoughts on the line ball. Should it have been play on or was ref correct.
No idea. Looking forward to the GAA PGMOL making an announcement. 🤓
The problem is the hooter and stopping the clock for me. Personally I blow the whistle once he's set the ball up, if he's ballsing around before that I just add on the time, but I'm not working with the clock so it's actually easier..
So 26 seconds is fine.. ;D
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 03:58:02 PMThoughts on the line ball. Should it have been play on or was ref correct.
Didn't watch it but was it a Donegal line ball?
Brannigan's in the same boat as the rest of us.
Mind watching one of Armaghs league games earlier in the year and could have sworn that the hooter went for half time and the Armagh player then proceeded to take the sideline ball which he kicked over the bar?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 04:00:48 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 03:58:02 PMThoughts on the line ball. Should it have been play on or was ref correct.
Didn't watch it but was it a Donegal line ball?
The pundits said it should've been a Donegal line ball but that's besides the point as it was awarded to Monaghan.
The goalie Beggan cost Monaghan that game with the shot that was blocked down near the end. You would expect more quality from an old head.
https://youtu.be/9eafrye6iDY
That's the point I was talking about in my last post. Hooter had already sounded.
Quote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:09:06 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 04:00:48 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 03:58:02 PMThoughts on the line ball. Should it have been play on or was ref correct.
Didn't watch it but was it a Donegal line ball?
The pundits said it should've been a Donegal line ball but that's besides the point as it was awarded to Monaghan.
Yep, the only question to be answered is whether the line ball, once awarded to Monaghan, should have been taken.
Quote from: clarshack on April 20, 2025, 04:22:10 PMhttps://youtu.be/9eafrye6iDY
That's the point I was talking about in my last post. Hooter had already sounded.
Think because it was already out before the hooter sounded that played should have continued until the next break in play.
Going by this my understanding is that the play should have continued. The side was awarded before the hooter and was signaled which meant monaghan should have been allowed to play on
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1500934/
In the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Quote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:49:39 PMIn the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:49:39 PMIn the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.
Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.
Didnt see the game, If the ball went out before the hooter, I think they can take the sideline.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 20, 2025, 05:18:15 PMDidnt see the game, If the ball went out before the hooter, I think they can take the sideline.
Edit
If the ball is already out of play following a score, a wide or for a sideline kick when the hooter sounds, the Referee shall signal the end of playing time on the sounding of the hooter.
Not even sure if that is correct I though a kick out could be taken?
I thought that was the correct decision on the hooter, which is one of the reasons why I dont like the hooter. The 3 v3 infraction made arguably a 4 point swing. Monaghan should feel more aggrieved by that
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 02:47:31 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Let's see.
In soccer, attackers aren't allowed to be ahead of defenders, meaning up to 50% of the field.
In rugby, neither attackers nor defenders can be ahead of the ball, meaning up to 99.9 of the field.
In NFL, the offensive line are unable to receive the ball until it has passed the line of scrimmage. Which is up to 99.9% of field.
Basketball's back court rule means 50% of the court is out of action for everyone once the ball crosses that line.
So while I can see you're trying to make a point here, the point you're trying to make is not one that supports your general argument.
Apologies know nothing nor want to know anything about NFL in the rest if a player gets a ball from deep and darts forward, they wouldn't have to stop at the halfway line and pass forward or back because only a few of their teammates were in that defensive half, they could continue with the aim or scoring or finding a team mate better positioned to score. I do get Rugby you can only pass back so everyone is behind the ball but everyone can follow the ball over the halfway line.
A lot of scores coming off the back of too many steps across most games this weekend. The Sean O'Shea goal being the worst and most impactful to the outcome of a game. Some dubious scores coming off the back of too many steps again in Clones this afternoon. Either refs are going to police it or they ain't, but the message seems to be that you're ok to take whatever steps are needed if you're being tackled at the same time.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 20, 2025, 06:14:07 PMA lot of scores coming off the back of too many steps across most games this weekend. The Sean O'Shea Kerry goal being the worst and most impactful to the outcome of a game. Either refs are going to police it or they ain't, but the message seems to be that your ok to take whatever steps are needed if you're being tackled at the same time.
That was definitely an old time not official rule
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
I think I am.
Netball has movement restrictions I'm pretty sure.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 05:26:47 PMI thought that was the correct decision on the hooter, which is one of the reasons why I dont like the hooter. The 3 v3 infraction made arguably a 4 point swing. Monaghan should feel more aggrieved by that
Agree on the 4 point swing and to make it worse he missed one in the 2nd half near the end when Murphy clearly crossed the halfway line but it wasn't picked up. Donegal got a score a few seconds later.
I don't know the rule regarding what happened at the end but he should have pulled the goalie for time wasting at the kickout or stop the clock until he kicks it out. Donegal got a lot of the breaks today
Quote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 05:17:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:49:39 PMIn the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.
Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.
For a 45 the when its award before the hooter the 45 can be taken. Should be the same for a sideline ball as it was awarded before the hooter.
If a free kick is awarded before the hooter they get to take it as well.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 06:40:40 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 05:17:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:49:39 PMIn the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.
Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.
For a 45 the when its award before the hooter the 45 can be taken. Should be the same for a sideline ball as it was awarded before the hooter.
If a free kick is awarded before the hooter they get to take it as well.
Rules are rules unfortunately for monaghan
Quote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 06:54:52 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 06:40:40 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 05:17:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:49:39 PMIn the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.
Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.
For a 45 the when its award before the hooter the 45 can be taken. Should be the same for a sideline ball as it was awarded before the hooter.
If a free kick is awarded before the hooter they get to take it as well.
Rules are rules unfortunately for monaghan
Does anyone know if the rules are actually different for sidelines instead of 45s or frees. Or is this just a consequence of numerous rules being rushed in?
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 07:56:42 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 06:54:52 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 06:40:40 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 05:17:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:49:39 PMIn the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.
Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.
For a 45 the when its award before the hooter the 45 can be taken. Should be the same for a sideline ball as it was awarded before the hooter.
If a free kick is awarded before the hooter they get to take it as well.
Rules are rules unfortunately for monaghan
Does anyone know if the rules are actually different for sidelines instead of 45s or frees. Or is this just a consequence of numerous rules being rushed in?
If it's out for sideline and hooter goes its game over. It was tight enough whether it was taken before hooter went.
Quote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 08:03:56 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 07:56:42 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 06:54:52 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 06:40:40 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 05:17:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:49:39 PMIn the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.
Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.
For a 45 the when its award before the hooter the 45 can be taken. Should be the same for a sideline ball as it was awarded before the hooter.
If a free kick is awarded before the hooter they get to take it as well.
Rules are rules unfortunately for monaghan
Does anyone know if the rules are actually different for sidelines instead of 45s or frees. Or is this just a consequence of numerous rules being rushed in?
If it's out for sideline and hooter goes its game over. It was tight enough whether it was taken before hooter went.
Cheers. Getting into the technicalities does that apply if the side line ball was award before the hooter goes which is the same as the 45 as in you are allowed to take it?
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 08:27:53 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 08:03:56 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 07:56:42 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 06:54:52 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 06:40:40 PMQuote from: Cavan19 on April 20, 2025, 05:17:14 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 20, 2025, 05:07:56 PMQuote from: Main Street on April 20, 2025, 04:49:39 PMIn the event of had the game beeen played on, the 2 points still had to be scored and had it been scored there would still be extra time to play and Donegallooked to be the fitter team.
McCarthy in space lobbing the hopeful ball into the square in the last 1/4 was a waste, when with a little more effort he could have put it over the bar for 2 points.
Overall Donegal were more in control, their possesion from kickouts seemed vastly superior and scoring points took a lot less effort, just they stumbled badly with the finishing line in sight.
The pundits referred to Cork v Kerry where the game was allowed to play on (for a 45?) when the hooter blew with the ball out of play.
Who may have won the match doesnt come in to it. Monaghan were denied the correct time by the ref. If it was an ai final there would be calls for a replay.
Why? the ball was out for a side line and the hooter went it's game over the referee got it right.
For a 45 the when its award before the hooter the 45 can be taken. Should be the same for a sideline ball as it was awarded before the hooter.
If a free kick is awarded before the hooter they get to take it as well.
Rules are rules unfortunately for monaghan
Does anyone know if the rules are actually different for sidelines instead of 45s or frees. Or is this just a consequence of numerous rules being rushed in?
If it's out for sideline and hooter goes its game over. It was tight enough whether it was taken before hooter went.
Cheers. Getting into the technicalities does that apply if the side line ball was award before the hooter goes which is the same as the 45 as in you are allowed to take it?
Unsurprisingly it's not covered in the official guide but going by the media reports of the rule change. If the ball is out for a goal kick or sideline kick when the hooter goes then the game is over. If it's out for a free kick or 45 then it's one more play.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 20, 2025, 01:08:46 PMQuote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 11:50:07 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AMQuote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway
Must have been his Internet connection, the stream was perfect for me
Today was the same. It's OK for other games/sports with an odd exception. I'll have to go legit, had issues with GAAGO last year too
Quote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 09:17:35 PMQuote from: Tubberman on April 20, 2025, 01:08:46 PMQuote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 11:50:07 AMQuote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AMQuote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.
Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway
Must have been his Internet connection, the stream was perfect for me
Today was the same. It's OK for other games/sports with an odd exception. I'll have to go legit, had issues with GAAGO last year too
Watched Limerick v Tipp on a dodgy firestick today and have to say I'm new to the firesticks and not sure the picture is clear enough for me, especially for hurling. No issues with coverage buffering or dropping
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
You recommend the wrestling?
Quote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 10:33:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
You recommend the wrestling?
Yes, be right up your street
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 10:54:39 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 10:33:48 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 20, 2025, 03:42:59 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 20, 2025, 02:27:21 PMIs there another team field sport where 20 percent of the team are restricted from one half of the field, asking for a friend.
Go and watch a different sport
You recommend the wrestling?
Yes, be right up your street
Is there something wrong with wrestling. It's Mania weekend too
Stop, gonna watch it in an hr lol
It sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
Donegal still do a lot of slow build up play. They had a few chances to finish off Monaghan but were passing it around and not taking the shot on.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
Canavan spoke about the 2 point free that donegal got but the highlights didnt show it. The highlights should show the major incidents
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
You could hear it a good few seconds before he kicked it but also took a few secs to be picked up on the closest mics
Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly
If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.
The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.
Why would it be unchallenged? Without the option of passing back to the keeper, there's far more incentive to press hard on kickouts. This would still be the case without the unnecessary kickout arc.
Quote from: on the sideline on April 21, 2025, 01:10:21 AMQuote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?
I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...
Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?
I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly
If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.
The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.
Why would it be unchallenged? Without the option of passing back to the keeper, there's far more incentive to press hard on kickouts. This would still be the case without the unnecessary kickout arc.
Exactly
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:01:37 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
You could hear it a good few seconds before he kicked it but also took a few secs to be picked up on the closest mics
So you're saying that the hooter blew some 3 or 4 seconds before Ryan kicked the ball and on top of that it took 2 or 3 seconds for the hooter sound to travel to the microphone?
You're some hoot.
Quote from: straightred on April 20, 2025, 11:46:57 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
Canavan spoke about the 2 point free that donegal got but the highlights didnt show it. The highlights should show the major incidents
There were too many games over the 2 codes to cover. And those hurling lads love their chit chat post game. There should be a Saturday night show to cover the Saturday games.
Quote from: Main Street on April 21, 2025, 07:34:20 AMQuote from: straightred on April 20, 2025, 11:46:57 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
Canavan spoke about the 2 point free that donegal got but the highlights didnt show it. The highlights should show the major incidents
There were too many games over the 2 codes to cover. And those hurling lads love their chit chat post game. There should be a Saturday night show to cover the Saturday games.
The Sunday game is dreadful. They never showed or mentioned the black card in Down game. They just said it was a smash and grab. Lazy analysis.
As long as they spend plenty of time on the hurling though.
Quote from: Main Street on April 21, 2025, 07:23:47 AMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:01:37 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
You could hear it a good few seconds before he kicked it but also took a few secs to be picked up on the closest mics
So you're saying that the hooter blew some 3 or 4 seconds before Ryan kicked the ball and on top of that it took 2 or 3 seconds for the hooter sound to travel to the microphone?
You're some hoot.
Watching on GAA+ it was hard to tell because it sounded like whatever primary microphone they were using for the game was very near a young girl and you could hear her asking questions which was distracting. The Sunday game audio definitely sounded like a kick before the hooter went. Hard to tell though there couldn't have been much in it.
Tyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Are both semis in Clones so the good people in the town won't complain when the Ulster final is over to croke pk for Donegal v Armagh.??
Up to Tyrone and or Down to blow that out of the water.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Main Street on April 21, 2025, 07:23:47 AMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:01:37 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
You could hear it a good few seconds before he kicked it but also took a few secs to be picked up on the closest mics
So you're saying that the hooter blew some 3 or 4 seconds before Ryan kicked the ball and on top of that it took 2 or 3 seconds for the hooter sound to travel to the microphone?
You're some hoot.
Watching on GAA+ it was hard to tell because it sounded like whatever primary microphone they were using for the game was very near a young girl and you could hear her asking questions which was distracting. The Sunday game audio definitely sounded like a kick before the hooter went. Hard to tell though there couldn't have been much in it.
What age are you lads?! Get your hearing aids adjusted - MR2 can help you. The hooter was
clearly* going off before the ball crossed the sideline. I don't know what way the speakers are arranged but you could hear it in the background and then it got louder. There is a video on Twitter from the other side of the pitch which indicates the same. The Maor Uisce standing in the road didn't help him get the ball away.
*Could be an air horn in the crowd 😏
I'd love to help ;) I can check for earwax too, GAA board rates
On the two point free Murphy scored when Langan and a Monaghan player (can't remember who) violated the three-up rule...
Haven't seen any of the highlights yet, and missed most of the half-time analysis of the live broadcast, but I do remember seeing a brief replay from behind the Monaghan goal which showed Langan quickly turning back while the Monaghan player was a little further down the field ahead of him. Coldrick consulted with the linesman at the time before awarding the free. Did he give it to Donegal because Langan turned around more quickly and didn't go as far? It was mentioned as well at some point that there is a four metre grace allowed. Was Langan within that while the Monaghan player wasn't?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:34:33 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Main Street on April 21, 2025, 07:23:47 AMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:01:37 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
You could hear it a good few seconds before he kicked it but also took a few secs to be picked up on the closest mics
So you're saying that the hooter blew some 3 or 4 seconds before Ryan kicked the ball and on top of that it took 2 or 3 seconds for the hooter sound to travel to the microphone?
You're some hoot.
Watching on GAA+ it was hard to tell because it sounded like whatever primary microphone they were using for the game was very near a young girl and you could hear her asking questions which was distracting. The Sunday game audio definitely sounded like a kick before the hooter went. Hard to tell though there couldn't have been much in it.
What age are you lads?! Get your hearing aids adjusted - MR2 can help you. The hooter was clearly* going off before the ball crossed the sideline. I don't know what way the speakers are arranged but you could hear it in the background and then it got louder. There is a video on Twitter from the other side of the pitch which indicates the same. The Maor Uisce standing in the road didn't help him get the ball away.
*Could be an air horn in the crowd 😏
As I've said it could well have been going off but took a second or so to be picked up on the mic. On the Sunday game recording though it seemed like boot to ball noise then hooter noise almost immediately after. I'll have a listen to the GAA + feed later to see.
Quote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
Quote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 01:34:20 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:34:33 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Main Street on April 21, 2025, 07:23:47 AMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:01:37 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
You could hear it a good few seconds before he kicked it but also took a few secs to be picked up on the closest mics
So you're saying that the hooter blew some 3 or 4 seconds before Ryan kicked the ball and on top of that it took 2 or 3 seconds for the hooter sound to travel to the microphone?
You're some hoot.
Watching on GAA+ it was hard to tell because it sounded like whatever primary microphone they were using for the game was very near a young girl and you could hear her asking questions which was distracting. The Sunday game audio definitely sounded like a kick before the hooter went. Hard to tell though there couldn't have been much in it.
What age are you lads?! Get your hearing aids adjusted - MR2 can help you. The hooter was clearly* going off before the ball crossed the sideline. I don't know what way the speakers are arranged but you could hear it in the background and then it got louder. There is a video on Twitter from the other side of the pitch which indicates the same. The Maor Uisce standing in the road didn't help him get the ball away.
*Could be an air horn in the crowd 😏
As I've said it could well have been going off but took a second or so to be picked up on the mic. On the Sunday game recording though it seemed like boot to ball noise then hooter noise almost immediately after. I'll have a listen to the GAA + feed later to see.
Speed of sound is not an issue - 330m/s so at most about 1/3 sec before it reaches any mic in the ground (it will be picked up immediately by the mic) and the hooter can be heard about 2 secs before the sideline was taken so no issues there - ref got that right.
Bigger issue with the hooter rule was in the Down/Ferm match, but as it didn't affect the result no one is talking about it.
From my reading of the rule in the RTE report (and in lack of anyone seeming to have the official version in the rules - although you would assume that the version in quotes in the RTE report is straight from the rules?) there are 2 issues at he end of the Down match.
1. the 45 should not have been taken as the hooter clearly sounded about 8 secs before the ball went out for the 45.
2. even if the 45 was correctly awarded (i.e.awarded before hooter) the rule seems to imply that you have to score direct from the resulting kick (the only other player allowed to touch it is the keeper) so Fermanagh would have had to score a goal directly from the kick or the keeper would have to deflect/drop the kick into the net.
As it was the Ferm player collected the ball and scored a point - which was awarded (incorrectly if the wording on RTE is correct). Which also means that if that player had scored a goal the ref would have allowed that to stand which would have sent the match to ET.
So am I right in thinking ref got this wrong. If similar situation happens and it did affect the result it could be very controversial.
Here's the RTE quote:
"If a 45 has been awarded but not taken, before the hooter sounds, the free kick can be taken and, if it results in a score, without any other player touching the ball, that score shall be awarded."
Seems fairly clear unless anyone knows that the wording in the official rules is different?
How hard is it to get an air horn that's loud enough for the whole ground to hear. There wasn't even 5k in enniskillen and I didn't hear it at end of either half in the main stand.
At least when the ref blew the final whistle he made a motion signalling the end so no one was in any doubt. In Armagh Antrim game Antrim stopped when hooter sounded could be carnage in some matches the amount of air horns at games,another well thought out rule perfectly executed I'm sure in the words of the untouchable Eammon in the sandbox games.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 21, 2025, 03:15:27 PMAt least when the ref blew the final whistle he made a motion signalling the end so no one was in any doubt. In Armagh Antrim game Antrim stopped when hooter sounded could be carnage in some matches the amount of air horns at games,another well thought out rule perfectly executed I'm sure in the words of the untouchable Eammon in the sandbox games.
Also, did they think about club games taking place near where a fog horn might sound? Or a ships horn?
They really didn't think this through did they?
A clock the size of a digital watch is most grounds and only at one end, someone will win this year's All Ireland by accident.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 01:34:20 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:34:33 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Main Street on April 21, 2025, 07:23:47 AMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:01:37 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
You could hear it a good few seconds before he kicked it but also took a few secs to be picked up on the closest mics
So you're saying that the hooter blew some 3 or 4 seconds before Ryan kicked the ball and on top of that it took 2 or 3 seconds for the hooter sound to travel to the microphone?
You're some hoot.
Watching on GAA+ it was hard to tell because it sounded like whatever primary microphone they were using for the game was very near a young girl and you could hear her asking questions which was distracting. The Sunday game audio definitely sounded like a kick before the hooter went. Hard to tell though there couldn't have been much in it.
What age are you lads?! Get your hearing aids adjusted - MR2 can help you. The hooter was clearly* going off before the ball crossed the sideline. I don't know what way the speakers are arranged but you could hear it in the background and then it got louder. There is a video on Twitter from the other side of the pitch which indicates the same. The Maor Uisce standing in the road didn't help him get the ball away.
*Could be an air horn in the crowd 😏
As I've said it could well have been going off but took a second or so to be picked up on the mic. On the Sunday game recording though it seemed like boot to ball noise then hooter noise almost immediately after. I'll have a listen to the GAA + feed later to see.
Just watched it again on GAA + hooter clearly goes before the ball is kicked it seems to start before the Monaghan official gets in the way of the kick being taken, it doesn't seem to start before the ball goes out of play. Seems a pretty long hooter too
Quote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 04:19:22 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 01:34:20 PMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:34:33 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 21, 2025, 09:43:16 AMQuote from: Main Street on April 21, 2025, 07:23:47 AMQuote from: Tony Baloney on April 21, 2025, 12:01:37 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 11:16:14 PMIt sounded like the sideline was kicked just before the hooter there when they showed it again on the Sunday game. Although that may be a speed of sound thing depending on where the microphones were.
You could hear it a good few seconds before he kicked it but also took a few secs to be picked up on the closest mics
So you're saying that the hooter blew some 3 or 4 seconds before Ryan kicked the ball and on top of that it took 2 or 3 seconds for the hooter sound to travel to the microphone?
You're some hoot.
Watching on GAA+ it was hard to tell because it sounded like whatever primary microphone they were using for the game was very near a young girl and you could hear her asking questions which was distracting. The Sunday game audio definitely sounded like a kick before the hooter went. Hard to tell though there couldn't have been much in it.
What age are you lads?! Get your hearing aids adjusted - MR2 can help you. The hooter was clearly* going off before the ball crossed the sideline. I don't know what way the speakers are arranged but you could hear it in the background and then it got louder. There is a video on Twitter from the other side of the pitch which indicates the same. The Maor Uisce standing in the road didn't help him get the ball away.
*Could be an air horn in the crowd 😏
As I've said it could well have been going off but took a second or so to be picked up on the mic. On the Sunday game recording though it seemed like boot to ball noise then hooter noise almost immediately after. I'll have a listen to the GAA + feed later to see.
Just watched it again on GAA + hooter clearly goes before the ball is kicked it seems to start before the Monaghan official gets in the way of the kick being taken, it doesn't seem to start before the ball goes out of play. Seems a pretty long hooter too
Barry Manilow size? Is it the start of the hooter or end?
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
we will get cleaned at midfield if we dont get a few back.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 21, 2025, 04:28:24 PMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
we will get cleaned at midfield if we dont get a few back.
Any word on how close Grimley and Crealey are to fitness?
If Tyrone are gonna beat us then it will be from midfield as we're struggling there atm with injuries and Tyrone have 2 big men in there who can play. Grimley was due back to training last week but can't see Crealey making this game, he was brought back too early from a hamstring injury and that has bit Armagh on the arse. Professional footballers with around the clock treatment are usually out for 8 weeks with a hamstring but GAA players seem to think they can come back in 3 weeks.
Turbit and Conaty will be fine who didn't play against Antrim other than that I dunno who will be in or out.
Tyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
Literally not one tyrone person talking the team up. Looks like use armagh ones feeling the pressure. Tyrone regalted to div 2 with a new management up against current ai champions. Be some upset if tyrone did win.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 21, 2025, 10:32:30 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
Literally not one tyrone person talking the team up. Looks like use armagh ones feeling the pressure. Tyrone regalted to div 2 with a new management up against current ai champions. Be some upset if tyrone did win.
And that's why the bookies have them as favourites to win game.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose
But sure they've only 5 players from the all ireland winning team, lol
Don't think Tyrone beat Armagh, and i don't think it's theirs to lose, I think Galway look way stronger than them
Quote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2025, 10:49:11 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose
As they have it, it is theirs to lose, Derry won't be finding it anytime soon.
There's a few smart heads saying this is the year for Down.
Apparently this under the radar business was a playbook for the 1960 and 1991 Ulster triumphs.
It feels 2025 is where the gap is finally plugged for the red & black.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 21, 2025, 11:53:14 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2025, 10:49:11 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose
As they have it, it is theirs to lose, Derry won't be finding it anytime soon.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 21, 2025, 11:53:14 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2025, 10:49:11 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose
As they have it, it is theirs to lose, Derry won't be finding it anytime soon.
Be careful what you say flowerpot. These Derry men are sensitive since they've lost their nouveau riche status.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
Must have been talking to these Tyrone ones over Easter break when they're half full. Don't know a single Tyrone one with any knowledge on the game that's said we've a chance on Saturday
Quote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 06:17:07 PMIf Tyrone are gonna beat us then it will be from midfield as we're struggling there atm with injuries and Tyrone have 2 big men in there who can play. Grimley was due back to training last week but can't see Crealey making this game, he was brought back too early from a hamstring injury and that has bit Armagh on the arse. Professional footballers with around the clock treatment are usually out for 8 weeks with a hamstring but GAA players seem to think they can come back in 3 weeks.
Turbit and Conaty will be fine who didn't play against Antrim other than that I dunno who will be in or out.
Think I wrote here a month or 2 ago we're going nowhere without Ben Crealey in MF, hopefully he'll be back for the group stages.
Tyrone a very religious team. The Pope's funeral might affect them.
Quote from: ONeill on April 22, 2025, 10:12:28 AMTyrone a very religious team. The Pope's funeral might affect them.
Offaly are bound to be fucked so...
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 22, 2025, 12:16:55 AMQuote from: flowerpot on April 21, 2025, 11:53:14 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2025, 10:49:11 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose
As they have it, it is theirs to lose, Derry won't be finding it anytime soon.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 21, 2025, 11:53:14 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 21, 2025, 10:49:11 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2025, 10:12:15 PMTyrone are talking themselves up as All Ireland contenders again and coming up against a fairly patched up Armagh who was poor for half the match against a Division four Antrim. It's very much Tyrone's game to lose.
For 12 months all we've heard about is the strength and depth of this Armagh squad, is this not the case?
Armagh's Sam to lose
As they have it, it is theirs to lose, Derry won't be finding it anytime soon.
Be careful what you say flowerpot. These Derry men are sensitive since they've lost their nouveau riche status.
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Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
The new rules are tailor made for the bigger stronger sides. If Armagh don't win it would be a major surprise.
Tyrone were just ok against a very poor Cavan side. Didn't look that impressive tbh, albeit without Canavan.
With the panel Armagh have been boasting about for the last 2 years it should be straightforward win for them shouldn't it?
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2025, 11:29:09 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
The new rules are tailor made for the bigger stronger sides. If Armagh don't win it would be a major surprise.
Tyrone were just ok against a very poor Cavan side. Didn't look that impressive tbh, albeit without Canavan.
With the panel Armagh have been boasting about for the last 2 years it should be straightforward win for them shouldn't it?
For real? Tyrone beat Cavan in a canter without coming out of 2nd gear. With Darragh likely back and Hampsey and Myler apparently close to full recovery, could give Armagh bother... especially with their best player Rian gone..
Tyrone weren't that great. Ye had a strong wind and well ahead in the first half. The second half Cavan chipped over a few 2 pointers to give it a closer look. Cavan had no intensity in the first half.
Quote from: rodney trotter on April 22, 2025, 02:30:09 PMTyrone weren't that great. Ye had a strong wind and well ahead in the first half. The second half Cavan chipped over a few 2 pointers to give it a closer look. Cavan had no intensity in the first half.
They didn't need to be that great. They hammered Cavan at their ease. Was never a contest...
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 22, 2025, 12:03:20 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2025, 11:29:09 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
The new rules are tailor made for the bigger stronger sides. If Armagh don't win it would be a major surprise.
Tyrone were just ok against a very poor Cavan side. Didn't look that impressive tbh, albeit without Canavan.
With the panel Armagh have been boasting about for the last 2 years it should be straightforward win for them shouldn't it?
For real? Tyrone beat Cavan in a canter without coming out of 2nd gear. With Darragh likely back and Hampsey and Myler apparently close to full recovery, could give Armagh bother... especially with their best player Rian gone..
Huge risk for Tyrone to be relying on Hampsey and Meyler to come in and hit the ground running they have both missed a serious amount of football. While they can both make big impacts further down the line I would think this weekend would come too soon for them.
Quote from: statto on April 22, 2025, 03:12:02 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 22, 2025, 12:03:20 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2025, 11:29:09 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
The new rules are tailor made for the bigger stronger sides. If Armagh don't win it would be a major surprise.
Tyrone were just ok against a very poor Cavan side. Didn't look that impressive tbh, albeit without Canavan.
With the panel Armagh have been boasting about for the last 2 years it should be straightforward win for them shouldn't it?
For real? Tyrone beat Cavan in a canter without coming out of 2nd gear. With Darragh likely back and Hampsey and Myler apparently close to full recovery, could give Armagh bother... especially with their best player Rian gone..
Huge risk for Tyrone to be relying on Hampsey and Meyler to come in and hit the ground running they have both missed a serious amount of football. While they can both make big impacts further down the line I would think this weekend would come too soon for them.
You could be right. I suppose what's happening at training tells the story..
Cavan were awful, hard use that as a benchmark.
Gone are the days when an Armagh v Tyrone game would have got a 50 page thread on it's own. Changed times ... still, Armagh by 7 ;D
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 22, 2025, 12:03:20 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2025, 11:29:09 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
The new rules are tailor made for the bigger stronger sides. If Armagh don't win it would be a major surprise.
Tyrone were just ok against a very poor Cavan side. Didn't look that impressive tbh, albeit without Canavan.
With the panel Armagh have been boasting about for the last 2 years it should be straightforward win for them shouldn't it?
For real? Tyrone beat Cavan in a canter without coming out of 2nd gear. With Darragh likely back and Hampsey and Myler apparently close to full recovery, could give Armagh bother... especially with their best player Rian gone..
Yep.
Cavan actually cut Tyrone open a good few times in the first half but made stupid mistakes after doing the hard work.
At times, Cavan competed in MF and got a run at Tyrone - and when the game was done they actually started shooting in the 2nd half getting a few 2 pointers. They could have taken those same shots in the first half but were trying to get through for goals.
Tyrone up front were not that exciting. McCurry chipping over from unmarked positions or frees. Hardly a goal chance for them in the entire game - so for a game they were so dominant in, that was not a good sign.
Tyrone were by far the better side, but that has to be taken in the context of how poor Cavan actually were.
Amazed that bookies have Tyrone favourites.
Their 7 points in the NFL was inflated because they met counties towards the end that weren't overly fussed.
Cavan did a Cavan in the SFC.
It's wouldn't surprise me if Armagh win this with a lot to spare. Tyrone are 1-2 years too early.
Quote from: ONeill on April 22, 2025, 05:47:12 PMAmazed that bookies have Tyrone favourites.
Their 7 points in the NFL was inflated because they met counties towards the end that weren't overly fussed.
Cavan did a Cavan in the SFC.
It's wouldn't surprise me if Armagh win this with a lot to spare. Tyrone are 1-2 years too early.
It's only narrow favourites but yeah I would have had Armagh favourites myself. I think the bookies might be putting a touch too much focus on the first half of the Antrim game.
Armagh are likely to be well rested anyway - just back from four nights away at Jobstown Estate last week.
Quote from: ONeill on April 22, 2025, 05:47:12 PMAmazed that bookies have Tyrone favourites.
Their 7 points in the NFL was inflated because they met counties towards the end that weren't overly fussed.
Cavan did a Cavan in the SFC.
It's wouldn't surprise me if Armagh win this with a lot to spare. Tyrone are 1-2 years too early.
How can Tyrone be early? 11 or 12 of the team that played v Dublin to stay up, were on the field when winning the AI final 4 seasons ago.
Something isn't adding up there.
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Imho if Tyrone's first XV are all actually fit and well, then this game will go down to the wire. But as it's been about 3-4 years since a Tyrone player burst onto the scene with any distinction, I just wouldn't trust them to compete with Armagh, if a few men light.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2025, 04:51:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 22, 2025, 12:03:20 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2025, 11:29:09 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
The new rules are tailor made for the bigger stronger sides. If Armagh don't win it would be a major surprise.
Tyrone were just ok against a very poor Cavan side. Didn't look that impressive tbh, albeit without Canavan.
With the panel Armagh have been boasting about for the last 2 years it should be straightforward win for them shouldn't it?
For real? Tyrone beat Cavan in a canter without coming out of 2nd gear. With Darragh likely back and Hampsey and Myler apparently close to full recovery, could give Armagh bother... especially with their best player Rian gone..
Yep.
Cavan actually cut Tyrone open a good few times in the first half but made stupid mistakes after doing the hard work.
At times, Cavan competed in MF and got a run at Tyrone - and when the game was done they actually started shooting in the 2nd half getting a few 2 pointers. They could have taken those same shots in the first half but were trying to get through for goals.
Tyrone up front were not that exciting. McCurry chipping over from unmarked positions or frees. Hardly a goal chance for them in the entire game - so for a game they were so dominant in, that was not a good sign.
Tyrone were by far the better side, but that has to be taken in the context of how poor Cavan actually were.
Quote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2025, 04:51:55 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 22, 2025, 12:03:20 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on April 22, 2025, 11:29:09 AMQuote from: thebigfullforward on April 21, 2025, 02:36:35 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMTyrone v Armagh then...Bookies have Tyrone slight favourites to win this game and the pundits are bigging up Tyrone saying they're back as contenders but how do they base this on one game v a very poor Cavan team. I know Armagh have had a fair few injuries lately but Armagh destroyed them in league and are All Ireland Champions yet Tyrone are fav's. Do bookies and pundits know more than me?. (TBF most people know more than me...lol) I'm just basing this on facts and results, I think Armagh will beat Tyrone TBH but the mighty Down/Donegal will await (more likely the mighty Donegal).
Not sure what they're judging off. Would expect Canavan to be back for us but even then Armagh are just to physical. Even their second string are bigger, taller, faster, just more athletic in general. Can't see us getting within 7 points of them
The new rules are tailor made for the bigger stronger sides. If Armagh don't win it would be a major surprise.
Tyrone were just ok against a very poor Cavan side. Didn't look that impressive tbh, albeit without Canavan.
With the panel Armagh have been boasting about for the last 2 years it should be straightforward win for them shouldn't it?
For real? Tyrone beat Cavan in a canter without coming out of 2nd gear. With Darragh likely back and Hampsey and Myler apparently close to full recovery, could give Armagh bother... especially with their best player Rian gone..
Yep.
Cavan actually cut Tyrone open a good few times in the first half but made stupid mistakes after doing the hard work.
At times, Cavan competed in MF and got a run at Tyrone - and when the game was done they actually started shooting in the 2nd half getting a few 2 pointers. They could have taken those same shots in the first half but were trying to get through for goals.
Tyrone up front were not that exciting. McCurry chipping over from unmarked positions or frees. Hardly a goal chance for them in the entire game - so for a game they were so dominant in, that was not a good sign.
Tyrone were by far the better side, but that has to be taken in the context of how poor Cavan actually were.
I was at the game.. it was that easy and that boring I went into the club in the second half for a coffee and watched 20 mins on the big screen. Cavan wouldn't have won if they'd been there to midnight.. Tyrone needed a goal to kill it off and duly got it easy peasy..
The bookies ain't stupid. The handicap in the Antrim game was 12 points, Armagh won by 11, they don't get too much wrong
If it wasn't for two pointers the draw is a good bet, but the two points generally makes a draw harder..
Tyrone by 2, a sending off, couple of black cards and two controversial calls on the new rules
Quote from: thewobbler on April 22, 2025, 06:28:29 PMQuote from: ONeill on April 22, 2025, 05:47:12 PMAmazed that bookies have Tyrone favourites.
Their 7 points in the NFL was inflated because they met counties towards the end that weren't overly fussed.
Cavan did a Cavan in the SFC.
It's wouldn't surprise me if Armagh win this with a lot to spare. Tyrone are 1-2 years too early.
How can Tyrone be early? 11 or 12 of the team that played v Dublin to stay up, were on the field when winning the AI final 4 seasons ago.
Something isn't adding up there.
The way I see it, a new manager, a new full back line, new wing forwards. All that takes time to bed in.
Armagh seem to have a clear goal this year of winning the Ulster title.
Tyrone will make a big statement soon, but I just don't see it against Armagh in Clones.
Anyone know our last championship win in Clones?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 22, 2025, 06:28:29 PMQuote from: ONeill on April 22, 2025, 05:47:12 PMAmazed that bookies have Tyrone favourites.
Their 7 points in the NFL was inflated because they met counties towards the end that weren't overly fussed.
Cavan did a Cavan in the SFC.
It's wouldn't surprise me if Armagh win this with a lot to spare. Tyrone are 1-2 years too early.
How can Tyrone be early? 11 or 12 of the team that played v Dublin to stay up, were on the field when winning the AI final 4 seasons ago.
Something isn't adding up there.
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Imho if Tyrone's first XV are all actually fit and well, then this game will go down to the wire. But as it's been about 3-4 years since a Tyrone player burst onto the scene with any distinction, I just wouldn't trust them to compete with Armagh, if a few men light.
Think we're likely to be a few men light ourselves, Tyrone are obviously strong at midfield and if Crealey isn't back its a massive disadvantage.
All cute hoorism aside it's a 50/50 game.
Lot will depend on whether DC is fit enough to play. If he is still out then Armagh`s game to lose.
Sure we'll turn up against the all ireland champions n see how we get on. Hopefully we'll still be in touch at ht. Armagh only having 5 starters from their all ireland winning team definitely gives us a chance of being within 10. Really looking forward to playing the big boys
Quote from: tyroneman on April 22, 2025, 09:55:50 PMLot will depend on whether DC is fit enough to play. If he is still out then Armagh`s game to lose.
When does it become Tyrones to win?
Quote from: An Watcher on April 22, 2025, 10:04:05 PMSure we'll turn up against the all ireland champions n see how we get on. Hopefully we'll still be in touch at ht. Armagh only having 5 starters from their all ireland winning team definitely gives us a chance of being within 10. Really looking forward to playing the big boys
;D ;D ;D ;D McGeeney text you the team.
Quote from: tyroneman on April 22, 2025, 09:55:50 PMLot will depend on whether DC is fit enough to play. If he is still out then Armagh`s game to lose.
wouldnt say to lose but it certainly helps us
Quote from: thewobbler on April 22, 2025, 06:28:29 PMQuote from: ONeill on April 22, 2025, 05:47:12 PMAmazed that bookies have Tyrone favourites.
Their 7 points in the NFL was inflated because they met counties towards the end that weren't overly fussed.
Cavan did a Cavan in the SFC.
It's wouldn't surprise me if Armagh win this with a lot to spare. Tyrone are 1-2 years too early.
How can Tyrone be early? 11 or 12 of the team that played v Dublin to stay up, were on the field when winning the AI final 4 seasons ago.
Something isn't adding up there.
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Imho if Tyrone's first XV are all actually fit and well, then this game will go down to the wire. But as it's been about 3-4 years since a Tyrone player burst onto the scene with any distinction, I just wouldn't trust them to compete with Armagh, if a few men light.
Aye but that team won't be worrying the likes of Donegal or Galway this year. Another 4/5 years when the likes of O'Hare, McElholm, McCullagh, Noah Grimes and some more of the U20 teams we've had the past 3 years are coming through is when we'll next get close to an AI if they manage to make the breakthrough. Even now likes of Daly, O'Donnell, Clarke, Devlin, R. Canavan not the finished article. Will still be another 2/3 years before them lads are fully developed
It's a tough one to call. From an Armagh perspective it really depends who we have fit and on the field. As others have said we really need Crealey fit along with another recognised midfielder, preferably Grimley. Tyrone have a very strong midfield and I think we'll really struggle there unless we have these men back.
Aside from that discipline will be a major factor. The first team to lose a man in what will be a highly charged game will probably lose.
Armagh and Tyrone are meeting in the Ulster championship for the first time since 2012. Their last four encounters in the championship have been in the All-Ireland Series, with two wins apiece.
Quote from: mackers on April 23, 2025, 11:49:29 AMIt's a tough one to call. From an Armagh perspective it really depends who we have fit and on the field. As others have said we really need Crealey fit along with another recognised midfielder, preferably Grimley. Tyrone have a very strong midfield and I think we'll really struggle there unless we have these men back.
Aside from that discipline will be a major factor. The first team to lose a man in what will be a highly charged game will probably lose.
Callum O'Neill did himself no harm the last day and would expect him to start if Grimley/Crealey don't make it. Shane McParland seems to have fell down the pecking order a bit a player who I think would be well suited to the new game.
Grimley and Crealey completely dominated the middle in league game so Tyrone will be hoping one of both are not available. Crealey has made really big strides over the last couple of years and well suited to the new rules also with his height, has improved alot as a footballer too.
highlights of 1984 final from twitter (https://x.com/UlsterGAA/status/1915327579843657850)
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 24, 2025, 10:12:49 AMhighlights of 1984 final from twitter (https://x.com/UlsterGAA/status/1915327579843657850)
5 with the right, 5 with the left is a myth... was 7-3 and one with the fist. A remarkable display all the same, by best player I've ever seen #TheKing
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Why did Joe Kernan take McGeeney off in 2005?
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Is any part of this team sheet right?. He might has well have named the 2002 AI final team.
Remember years back in Enniskillen the announcer said we don't have the Armagh team, management refused to supply it ;D
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2025, 10:03:55 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 24, 2025, 09:53:36 PM(https://i.ibb.co/0jZNJGmK/bandicam-2025-04-24-21-51-27-300.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Is any part of this team sheet right?. He might has well have named the 2002 AI final team.
I'm not sure why you would say that, there could be changes but a dozen of those will play.
What was the last big game that Tyrone played in Clones? It's been a while
Quote from: tiempo on April 24, 2025, 09:56:01 PMWhy did Joe Kernan take McGeeney off in 2005?
Getting too big for his boots apparently.
Armagh v Down final is the people's choice.
Quote from: Orior on April 24, 2025, 11:38:48 PMQuote from: tiempo on April 24, 2025, 09:56:01 PMWhy did Joe Kernan take McGeeney off in 2005?
Getting too big for his boots apparently.
Quite the time and place to try and make a point
Quote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2025, 10:03:55 PMIs any part of this team sheet right?. He might has well have named the 2002 AI final team.
The players will wear those jersey numbers, expecting a starting 15 named with numbers corresponding to position is for the birds
Quote from: tiempo on April 25, 2025, 12:20:20 AMQuote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2025, 10:03:55 PMIs any part of this team sheet right?. He might has well have named the 2002 AI final team.
The players will wear those jersey numbers, expecting a starting 15 named with numbers corresponding to position is for the birds
Will Armagh go back to their traditional orange or wear black like they have alot this last few seasons.
Like Derry they seem to be changing their home jersey but at least Derry colours are red and white to start with.
It is quiet here for such a big match. I think this has the potential to be a good one. What are the chances of Daragh Canavan playing? I think Tyrone might sneak this one (depending on the Armagh team vs what's listed).
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 25, 2025, 09:39:04 AMIt is quiet here for such a big match. I think this has the potential to be a good one. What are the chances of Daragh Canavan playing? I think Tyrone might sneak this one (depending on the Armagh team vs what's listed).
Armagh by 5, but with discipline problems
McGeeney's Armagh continue to be on an upward trajectory. The All Ireland win has brought further confidence and belief.
O'Rourke by contrast brings a relegated Division 2 outfit to St Tiernach's Park. It's been a flat trajectory for Tyrone since the 2021 All Ireland win.
So a comfortable Armagh win with Mr McGeeney keeping one eye on the bigger fish like Kerry down the road.
Quote from: snoopdog on April 25, 2025, 08:26:22 AMQuote from: tiempo on April 25, 2025, 12:20:20 AMQuote from: thewobbler on April 24, 2025, 10:03:55 PMIs any part of this team sheet right?. He might has well have named the 2002 AI final team.
The players will wear those jersey numbers, expecting a starting 15 named with numbers corresponding to position is for the birds
Will Armagh go back to their traditional orange or wear black like they have alot this last few seasons.
Like Derry they seem to be changing their home jersey but at least Derry colours are red and white to start with.
I laughed when i first saw them wear the all blacks outfit, but they've since said its because of a few colour blind boys, fear enough then
Had to rewind the RTE GAA podcast yesterday to make sure I heard Jacqui Hurley right ... she was asking if Tyrone will hold Darragh Canavan back 'for bigger fish' later in the year :-) ...
I imagine she means games rather than teams.
She is probably of the opinion that provincial championships are virtually redundant and while nice to win, they are approaching McKenna Cup territory for the top teams.
Donegal have the same team named again. Eoghan Ban and Caolan McGonagle back on the bench. No idea if either are fit, and I doubt if the same 15 will start two weeks in a row.
Jason McGee might be in for McFadden and Gallen for McBrearty or Conor O'Donnell.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2025, 11:27:41 AMHad to rewind the RTE GAA podcast yesterday to make sure I heard Jacqui Hurley right ... she was asking if Tyrone will hold Darragh Canavan back 'for bigger fish' later in the year :-) ...
It's a difficult one, if he's a doubt and he plays and properly tears the hamstring he could miss the group games and Tyrone's season might be near over at that point.
Quote from: Mario on April 25, 2025, 12:14:47 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2025, 11:27:41 AMHad to rewind the RTE GAA podcast yesterday to make sure I heard Jacqui Hurley right ... she was asking if Tyrone will hold Darragh Canavan back 'for bigger fish' later in the year :-) ...
It's a difficult one, if he's a doubt and he plays and properly tears the hamstring he could miss the group games and Tyrone's season might be near over at that point.
Given his Da's wry smile when asked the question last week, I reckon DC is ready to go.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on April 25, 2025, 01:36:42 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GpYDwvJXoAAGZGK?format=jpg&name=small)
Never seen as much Yerrasism on a thread that didn't involve a Kerry man.
Tyrone are winning this game if Darragh Canavan starts can't see any other result.
Thats a strong Tyrone team...Tyrone by 6-7pts pulling up. Won't matter what colour of tops Armagh wear, KMcG for the sack.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2025, 11:27:41 AMHad to rewind the RTE GAA podcast yesterday to make sure I heard Jacqui Hurley right ... she was asking if Tyrone will hold Darragh Canavan back 'for bigger fish' later in the year :-) ...
What's wrong with that? Geting knocked out of Ulster isn't a big deal anymore. Obviously teams would love to win it especially in a game like this but she's right. Sure the Errigal lads were kept out for how many league games? MOR seems to always be looking ahead
That would be my reading: 'bigger fish' could be Armagh in the All Ireland knock-out stages. Sure look at Armagh with all those Ulster titles in the '00s usurped by Tyrone 3 All Ireland wins 🏆 🏆🏆
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Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 25, 2025, 03:38:51 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 25, 2025, 11:27:41 AMHad to rewind the RTE GAA podcast yesterday to make sure I heard Jacqui Hurley right ... she was asking if Tyrone will hold Darragh Canavan back 'for bigger fish' later in the year :-) ...
What's wrong with that? Geting knocked out of Ulster isn't a big deal anymore. Obviously teams would love to win it especially in a game like this but she's right. Sure the Errigal lads were kept out for how many league games? MOR seems to always be looking ahead
Yeah it would be daft to play Darragh today if there are any questions at all over his fitness. Far more important to try and ensure he is 100% for the weeks ahead.
Still going to be a fascinating game on a few levels. Very hard to know where Tyrone are. They were basically a rudderless ship for the past two seasons. While O' Rourke inherited a panel with great talent and potential, it was always going to take time to sort out the mess of the last two years and integrate the new talent coming through. The fact the sport itself is in a state of flux with new rules adds to the challenge. Despite that, there were signs of progress in the league. Despite relegation Tyrone could easily have won 6 of the 7 games. Indeed, Armagh was the only game in which they didn't compete. But where are we really - well only the next few months will tell.
Few questions over Armagh still too I feel and the elephant in the room that we're all playing a sport that has changed pretty significantly with the rules. So I can't call it but looking forward to seeing what happens.
Bookies can't separate them now.. draw!
Anyone know any Irish bars in Luton that will be showing the game today?
Changes definitely favour Armagh.
Tyrone Changes to starting 15
Cormac Quinn for Aidan Clarke
Joe Oguz for Mattie Donnelly
Ruairi Canavan for Peter Harte
Armagh changes to starting 15
Ben Crealey for Connaire Mackin
Darragh McMullan for Aidan Forker
Oisin O'Neill for Conor Turbitt
Games working on my neighbours Firestick 👀 in case anyone else has GAAGO on there's
Must be more than 20 thousand there?
Great to see Canavan get done for overcarrying he's at it all the time.
Tyrone very slow in the attack.
0-6 each on 21 minutes.
21,228 the attendance.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 05:09:42 PMTyrone very slow in the attack.
Like who isn't? You see Kerrys goal last week?. Need consistency from refs
Can see a mile away we aren't getting men around for the breaking ball. Not sure how the players can't see that
Fitzmaurice only counting the steps after the hit and not the 4/5 before it :o
Gone from players taking 10 steps and being allowed to players taking 4 steps and being blown for it
Christ above we are brutal in contesting opposition kickouts. Also nobody looking the ball. Morgan was isolated and nobody wanted it and then Oguz got a line ball and no-one really looking it either
Why are tyrone allowing armagh to shoot at will. Zero pressure outside the arch
Half time Armagh 0-11 Tyrone 0-8. Tyrone with the wind advantage 2nd half.
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f**k me. We are serious for making simple mistakes. Had possession twice and gave it away handy. McKernan playing the ball about 10 feet over Canavans head and Kennedy taking far too much out of the ball and into traffic. Would help if any of our 14 outfield players would want to contest for a kickout or win the breaking ball. Armagh will see it out now. Could be 15 changes made to that Armagh team and they'd still compete with our starting 15
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 05:24:12 PMWhy are tyrone allowing armagh to shoot at will. Zero pressure outside the arch
Because they realize that armagh keep missing
Very congested sort of game, very poor in quality. I get the impression Tyrone played a containment game thinking they're going to make hay in the 2nd half with the wind and that Armagh are doing something similar with personnel, hoping to finish the game with their strongest available 15.
It's been poor imo.
Quote from: Estimator on April 26, 2025, 05:13:25 PMFitzmaurice only counting the steps after the hit and not the 4/5 before it :o
Does it not reset once fouled if playing advantage
Poor enough from us so far, will need to step it up big time. Murnin is a class act, McCurry giving McCambridge a roasting
Gough is so f**king fussy.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 26, 2025, 05:28:11 PMf**k me. We are serious for making simple mistakes. Had possession twice and gave it away handy. McKernan playing the ball about 10 feet over Canavans head and Kennedy taking far too much out of the ball and into traffic. Would help if any of our 14 outfield players would want to contest for a kickout or win the breaking ball. Armagh will see it out now. Could be 15 changes made to that Armagh team and they'd still compete with our starting 15
That's typical McKernan when he takes time to think he makes serious errors. Half forward line brutal.
McNamee seems a small bit a more comfortable on the mic today compared to last week.
Tyrone defence running away from the man with the ball. Basic errors.
Very strange game so far
Quote from: bennydorano on April 26, 2025, 05:31:09 PMVery congested sort of game, very poor in quality. I get the impression Tyrone played a containment game thinking they're going to make hay in the 2nd half with the wind and that Armagh are doing something similar with personnel, hoping to finish the game with their strongest available 15.
It's been poor imo.
I'm a new rules convert of course, but this is the best Ulster Championship match in years.
Great shooting, silly mistakes, big hits, good refereeing
Holy christ can someone actually explain what our tactic is on kickouts? Leaving Armagh open every time doesn't seem to be working
Tyrone defence hasnt a clue
Rurari needs to come off and mattie or sparky on
Armagh finding scores very easy to get.
After 45 mins Armagh 0-17 Tyrone 0-11
48mins 0-18 0-14
Armagh some how have a free man in acres of space at every kickout
After 55 minutes. Armagh 0-19 Tyrone 0-16. After 60 minutes Armagh 0-19 Tyrone 0-17
That should be a black card for Rafferty.
Gough completely bottled that. Took the man out of it.
Peter Harte Two pointer and the sides are level.
PAYTER HARTE
Breach and two point free has Tyrone two points in front.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:11:14 PMGough completely bottled that. Took the man out of it.
100%, crazy call. Tyrone, dark horses for Ulster!
5 minutes to play Tyrone 0-22 Armagh 0-20
One back for Armagh with 3 minutes left.
Tyrone have been bang average and seem to have them
Armagh have scored once in the last 12 minutes.
McKernan again...
1 minute left level game 0-22 each.
Why are Armagh so reluctant to shoot.
Armagh free after the hooter wins it. FT Armagh 0-23 Tyrone 0-22.
Overall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 26, 2025, 06:25:18 PMWhy are Armagh so reluctant to shoot.
Why should they shoot? Keep the ball till the buzzer. Every team has done that since the buzzer came in
What a game!
Tyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
That's what champs do bitches, with half a team too ffs.
Don't think Morgan deserves to be talked about in the same breath as Patton and Began.
Shocking knockout when he was needed most and turned down a couple of 2 point frees against the breeze.
Two poor teams
Kickouts.
Kickouts.
Kickouts.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:27:58 PMTyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
Would like to see it again but he git the ball??
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 26, 2025, 06:29:03 PMKickouts.
Kickouts.
Kickouts.
Fair point Armaghs kickouts were exceptional!
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 26, 2025, 06:28:44 PMDon't think Morgan deserves to be talked about in the same breath as Patton and Began.
Shocking knockout when he was needed most and turned down a couple of 2 point frees against the breeze.
Aye stellar career but has 1 bad game so he's clearly an awful keeper.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 26, 2025, 06:29:49 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 26, 2025, 06:28:44 PMDon't think Morgan deserves to be talked about in the same breath as Patton and Began.
Shocking knockout when he was needed most and turned down a couple of 2 point frees against the breeze.
Aye stellar career but has 1 bad game so he's clearly an awful keeper.
He's had more than one bad game but he is an excellent keeper
Quote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:27:58 PMTyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
Would like to see it again but he git the ball??
Doesnt matter. He either hit the ball and fouled it or threw himself on the ground to take out darragh. Either way its a black card and tyrone free
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:31:07 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:27:58 PMTyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
Would like to see it again but he git the ball??
Doesnt matter. He either hit the ball and fouled it or threw himself on the ground to take out darragh. Either way its a black card and tyrone free
Not the first time he's helped Armagh.
What absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
Very hard to know if Gough got any of the big calls wrong. He was a lot close to the last free, and to the Rafferty incident than any of us, and we don't have a reverse angle for some reason to review.
What a game of football though. Absolutely enthralling.
I know Armagh have players to come back into the fold but I can't see Tyrone only winning 25-30% possession should they meet again this summer. Staying in touch throughout with so little clean possession was a feat in itself.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:31:07 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:27:58 PMTyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
Would like to see it again but he git the ball??
Doesnt matter. He either hit the ball and fouled it or threw himself on the ground to take out darragh. Either way its a black card and tyrone free
Or maybe it hit him in the chest and he never touched Darragh?
I'm not saying this is what happened. But it's a clearer explanation for what Gough saw than anything else.
Quote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:32 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 26, 2025, 06:29:03 PMKickouts.
Kickouts.
Kickouts.
Fair point Armaghs kickouts were exceptional!
They weren't even. Not exactly hard to get kickouts away when nobody is challenging them from the other team
Gough was terrible, Rafferty was a stonewall black, but he gave Tyrone their fair share of very soft frees. He should have left the overcarrying rule alone, the last one (that ended with Geezers yellow), the Armagh man was getting hauled & pulled, wtf is he meant to do getting blew up for too long
Gough is woeful. Shouldnt have been allowed back in Ulster after his card spree a few years ago.
McCurry and our poor decisions kept Tyrone in it. Beating the rivals while down so many men still impressive but Donegal would beat us comfortably playing like that. Great feeling to nick it at the end like that though, well done to the lads.
Tyrone will be dangerous when Darragh Canavan is back playing
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 26, 2025, 06:35:03 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:32 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on April 26, 2025, 06:29:03 PMKickouts.
Kickouts.
Kickouts.
Fair point Armaghs kickouts were exceptional!
They weren't even. Not exactly hard to get kickouts away when nobody is challenging them from the other team
Try being a Derry supporter and watching our kickouts!
Thought that was probably Jarly Og's best game in an Armagh Jersey. He put in some shift.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 26, 2025, 06:36:13 PMGough was terrible, Rafferty was a stonewall black, but he gave Tyrone their fair share of very soft frees. He should have left the overcarrying rule alone, the last one (that ended with Geezers yellow), the Armagh man was getting hauled & pulled, wtf is he meant to do getting blew up for too long
I massively disagree it's about time overcarrying was blown properly! For too long lads have been able to breeze past defenders without worrying about consequences. Enforcing 4 steps makes it a better game!
Not that Gough was great but he was right on the overcarrying.
Quote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:39:42 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 26, 2025, 06:36:13 PMGough was terrible, Rafferty was a stonewall black, but he gave Tyrone their fair share of very soft frees. He should have left the overcarrying rule alone, the last one (that ended with Geezers yellow), the Armagh man was getting hauled & pulled, wtf is he meant to do getting blew up for too long
I massively disagree it's about time overcarrying was blown properly! For too long lads have been able to breeze past defenders without worrying about consequences. Enforcing 4 steps makes it a better game!
Not that Gough was great but he was right on the overcarrying.
Agree the over carrying needs to be called however you know rightly the other refs wont enforce it
Quote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2025, 06:34:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:31:07 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:27:58 PMTyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
Would like to see it again but he git the ball??
Doesnt matter. He either hit the ball and fouled it or threw himself on the ground to take out darragh. Either way its a black card and tyrone free
Or maybe it hit him in the chest and he never touched Darragh?
I'm not saying this is what happened. But it's a clearer explanation for what Gough saw than anything else.
No chance the replay showed he dived with both hands out and tripped Darragh
thought Gough was poor over all , Another note Do the commentators know the rules ? Goalkeeper cannot take a pass in his own Half? THat was why the Armagh Goalkeeper didnt take the pass ?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
Ironically if they meet again i would be far more confident they will win. Keep in touch with ai champs whole way even with 100% kickniut success for armagh
At the game so no benefit of replays. Was Gough as bad as he appeared?
Is there anything to be said for the fact that Niall Morgan choked again when under pressure ?
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:44:58 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
Ironically if they meet again i would be far more confident they will win. Keep in touch with ai champs whole way even with 100% kickniut success for armagh
Are you the fella behind this account?
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Fully neutral here but that was a silly free at the end.
If they stood him up it would have been a free out.
Gough can't be the talking point when Tyrone fecked up so many of their own attacks.
Dummy solos, turning into trouble and just taking so much out if it for so long.
Quote from: FermGael on April 26, 2025, 06:48:52 PMIs there anything to be said for the fact that Niall Morgan choked again when under pressure ?
Cant blame the keeper always. Armagh lads showed for the ball and got free everytime. Tyrone marking on armagh kick outs were shocking. Armagh always got a man free
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Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:43:42 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2025, 06:34:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:31:07 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:27:58 PMTyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
Would like to see it again but he git the ball??
Doesnt matter. He either hit the ball and fouled it or threw himself on the ground to take out darragh. Either way its a black card and tyrone free
Or maybe it hit him in the chest and he never touched Darragh?
I'm not saying this is what happened. But it's a clearer explanation for what Gough saw than anything else.
No chance the replay showed he dived with both hands out and tripped Darragh
If not a black it should have been a free from where Rafferty touched the ball as it was a pass to him. Hard too see where the foul was in the last free, these couple of mistakes aside I thought Gough had a decent game.
Armagh should have put thst to bed earlier. The 800 or so loyal Tyronies there had a few minutes of excitement.
I definitely thought McGeeney was acting the maggot with the line ups lately, I just assumed he was keeping the powder dry for bigger days but the team lined out today sort of worrys me that we aren't going to get our preferred first 15 anywhere near the starting line for the bigger days ahead, This could be our year to suffer the fate of 2024 Galway.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 26, 2025, 06:38:31 PMThought that was probably Jarly Og's best game in an Armagh Jersey. He put in some shift.
So frustrating that lad. Once in the second half he had the ball in about 20 yards of space around the small arc and didnt take the shot on.
All is forgiven for winning the last ball though
Quote from: fearbrags on April 26, 2025, 06:44:05 PMthought Gough was poor over all , Another note Do the commentators know the rules ? Goalkeeper cannot take a pass in his own Half? THat was why the Armagh Goalkeeper didnt take the pass ?
Between that and calling Oisin Rian and saying Blaine got an all atar last year...
Definately a bad mistake by Gough on the Rafferty diving on the ball. Very bad as it was at a crucial time with Tyrone going well.
I think even Armagh people would see it as a bad call.
However I think the key moment going down the stretch was Mc Kernan trying to take on Campbell along the endline and got turned over. It was silly as Mc Kernan was down a few mins before that - clearly shattered. Plus Campbell was only on and was fresh. He just had to keep ball and recycle it.
I always say big tight games are decided by good decision making in the final minutes when players are tired and are under pressure.
Armagh made good decisions in the last 5 mins. Fact.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 26, 2025, 07:09:18 PMQuote from: fearbrags on April 26, 2025, 06:44:05 PMthought Gough was poor over all , Another note Do the commentators know the rules ? Goalkeeper cannot take a pass in his own Half? THat was why the Armagh Goalkeeper didnt take the pass ?
Between that and calling Oisin Rian and saying Blaine got an all atar last year...
I had to go check the Armagh line-up when they kept saying Rian O'Neill.. Confused me as I hadn't heard he was back.
Just commentators being dopes.. Agree about Gough, thought he was poor for both teams - few over carrying calls I thought were questionable
Where was the famous Tyrone midfield?? Wiped out by a rookie and a mf who hasn't played all year.
Morgan nowhere near in same sphere as beggan patton and now rafferty.
Lying down & slabbering away, ye ain't in dungannon swifts now kid.
Gough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 26, 2025, 07:32:18 PMWhere was the famous Tyrone midfield?? Wiped out by a rookie and a mf who hasn't played all year.
Morgan nowhere near in same sphere as beggan patton and now rafferty.
Lying down & slabbering away, ye ain't in dungannon swifts now kid.
Bizarre post slagging off a two time All Star & All Ireland winner... you don't like Morgan!
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 26, 2025, 07:39:36 PMGough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Tyrone have been a mess for a while so hard to expect MOR to change things straight away. Positive signs though
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2025, 07:52:27 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 26, 2025, 07:39:36 PMGough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Tyrone have been a mess for a while so hard to expect MOR to change things straight away. Positive signs though
I'd agree with that. From what I've seen O'Rourke teams stay in games and try to come strong at the end.
Tyrone were poor for long portions of the game but were well in touch and got ahead coming g down the stretch but they didn't finish as strong as Armagh and Morgan's kickouts were very poor when it counted.
Very little in it and I expect Tyrone to regroup and be a contender as things unfold.
Ok - the Rafferty incident.....
Can the keeper touch the ball at all in that instance? With head or feet, say?
Could he stand in front of the opponent, shielding the ball (without touching it)?
Surely shouldering the Tyrone player is allowed?
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:44:58 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
Ironically if they meet again i would be far more confident they will win. Keep in touch with ai champs whole way even with 100% kickniut success for armagh
Just home this post made my day, keep her lit lad. ;D
Quote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2025, 08:03:01 PMOk - the Rafferty incident.....
Can the keeper touch the ball at all in that instance? With head or feet, say?
Could he stand in front of the opponent, shielding the ball (without touching it)?
Surely shouldering the Tyrone player is allowed?
The GK can't accept a pass in his own half , other than in small rectangle.
Technical foul= free in, which Gough gave ! Buf he clearly tripped Canavan which is a black ! Which was an obvious mistake by Gough.
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on April 26, 2025, 06:59:24 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:43:42 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2025, 06:34:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:31:07 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:27:58 PMTyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
Would like to see it again but he git the ball??
Doesnt matter. He either hit the ball and fouled it or threw himself on the ground to take out darragh. Either way its a black card and tyrone free
Or maybe it hit him in the chest and he never touched Darragh?
I'm not saying this is what happened. But it's a clearer explanation for what Gough saw than anything else.
No chance the replay showed he dived with both hands out and tripped Darragh
If not a black it should have been a free from where Rafferty touched the ball as it was a pass to him. Hard too see where the foul was in the last free, these couple of mistakes aside I thought Gough had a decent game.
It was a loose ball so he was entitled to go for it. He gets there first and the ball was off the ground. One of the few decisions I think Gough got correct today. I thought he had a terrible game.
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on April 26, 2025, 08:11:20 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2025, 08:03:01 PMOk - the Rafferty incident.....
Can the keeper touch the ball at all in that instance? With head or feet, say?
Could he stand in front of the opponent, shielding the ball (without touching it)?
Surely shouldering the Tyrone player is allowed?
The GK can't accept a pass in his own half , other than in small rectangle.
Technical foul= free in, which Gough gave ! Buf he clearly tripped Canavan which is a black ! Which was an obvious mistake by Gough.
He can touch a loose ball. That ball had clearly gone loose and Gough correctly didn't give any free
Quote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2025, 07:52:27 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 26, 2025, 07:39:36 PMGough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Tyrone have been a mess for a while so hard to expect MOR to change things straight away. Positive signs though
They had a better league last year and had a similar performance in Ulster against a fancied team. I know no one likes to say a bad word about MOR but so far he's doing slightly worse than Dooher did last year
Quote from: Delgany 2nds on April 26, 2025, 08:11:20 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on April 26, 2025, 08:03:01 PMOk - the Rafferty incident.....
Can the keeper touch the ball at all in that instance? With head or feet, say?
Could he stand in front of the opponent, shielding the ball (without touching it)?
Surely shouldering the Tyrone player is allowed?
The GK can't accept a pass in his own half , other than in small rectangle.
Technical foul= free in, which Gough gave ! Buf he clearly tripped Canavan which is a black ! Which was an obvious mistake by Gough.
He didn't clearly trip him at all
It was kicked into his chest.
Quote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 08:16:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2025, 07:52:27 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 26, 2025, 07:39:36 PMGough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Tyrone have been a mess for a while so hard to expect MOR to change things straight away. Positive signs though
They had a better league last year and had a similar performance in Ulster against a fancied team. I know no one likes to say a bad word about MOR but so far he's doing slightly worse than Dooher did last year
Not from Tyrone so don't really care what is said about him but to improve they need to give him time
Thoroughly enjoyable victory, particularly for the sickening nature in which Tyronies got to watch their team come back and take the lead only to relinquish it to a second string Armagh side in the dying minutes.
I will concede that Tyrone probably should have had a free (for what I'm not quite sure) re the Raffetty incident.
Could those saying Gough had a bad game list all the wrong decisions?
Quote from: David McKeown on April 26, 2025, 08:14:36 PMQuote from: Stall the Bailer on April 26, 2025, 06:59:24 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:43:42 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 26, 2025, 06:34:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:31:07 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:29:08 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:27:58 PMTyrone no one to blame but themselves. Gough should have black carded armagh keeper but bottled it
Would like to see it again but he git the ball??
Doesnt matter. He either hit the ball and fouled it or threw himself on the ground to take out darragh. Either way its a black card and tyrone free
Or maybe it hit him in the chest and he never touched Darragh?
I'm not saying this is what happened. But it's a clearer explanation for what Gough saw than anything else.
No chance the replay showed he dived with both hands out and tripped Darragh
If not a black it should have been a free from where Rafferty touched the ball as it was a pass to him. Hard too see where the foul was in the last free, these couple of mistakes aside I thought Gough had a decent game.
It was a loose ball so he was entitled to go for it. He gets there first and the ball was off the ground. One of the few decisions I think Gough got correct today. I thought he had a terrible game.
This is wrong, there is nothing in rules about a loose ball. The Armagh player passed the ball towards Rafferty, he initially hesitated as he knew he couldn't touch it, but then saw Tyrone were through for goal if he didn't, he then went for it. The keeper can not touch the ball when played by their player. It was played from an Armagh player. No free was given for him touching it and then there was the black card shout as well
Quote from: Rossfan on April 26, 2025, 08:29:57 PMCould those saying Gough had a bad game list all the wrong decisions?
The steps. f**k me let the game go abit. Allow abit of contact. Enforce the mark rule.
There was no black card shout...
RF surely the goalie diving on the ball like that was some kind of foul? Mcquillan's too long looked a bit iffy too.
The winning free was a very clear foul.
It was a loose ball so he was entitled to go for it. He gets there first and the ball was off the ground. One of the few decisions I think Gough got correct today. I thought he had a terrible game.
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Is loose ball defined in the rules for the keeper to get it in his own half?
Tyrone didn't deserve to win because they didn't take their chances and allowed Armagh kickout to function to smoothly.
They do look like a team on an upward line, another couple of weeks with MOR and they could take a scalp or two.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 26, 2025, 08:37:02 PMQuote from: Rossfan on April 26, 2025, 08:29:57 PMCould those saying Gough had a bad game list all the wrong decisions?
The steps. f**k me let the game go abit. Allow abit of contact. Enforce the mark rule.
What would be the point of having the rule in place if not enforcing it? Murchan took a load of steps in All Ireland final in 2019 and wasn't blown.
That was a compelling match to watch. Had Armagh allowed Tyrone to overcome them it would have been the softest of surrenders, but fair play to them they were the team that had the end game.
Has Malachy watered down that (sometimes admirable) dark malicious intent in Tyrone to win at all costs by many means?
Armagh have not been the best team in Ulster since 2008. It seems this might finally be their year.
Quote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 08:16:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2025, 07:52:27 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 26, 2025, 07:39:36 PMGough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Tyrone have been a mess for a while so hard to expect MOR to change things straight away. Positive signs though
They had a better league last year and had a similar performance in Ulster against a fancied team. I know no one likes to say a bad word about MOR but so far he's doing slightly worse than Dooher did last year
You do know they played the All Ireland champions today? 🤔
Quote from: Main Street on April 26, 2025, 08:52:04 PMThat was a compelling match to watch. Had Armagh allowed Tyrone to overcome them it would have been the softest of surrenders, but fair play to them they were the team that had the end game.
Has Malachy watered down that (sometimes admirable) dark malicious intent in Tyrone to win at all costs by many means?
Wise up Tyrone no different than anyone else.
Memories of '05 Armagh celebrating Ulster win over the neighbours.. Tyrone still in the championship mix...
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 09:16:52 PMQuote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 08:16:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2025, 07:52:27 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 26, 2025, 07:39:36 PMGough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Tyrone have been a mess for a while so hard to expect MOR to change things straight away. Positive signs though
They had a better league last year and had a similar performance in Ulster against a fancied team. I know no one likes to say a bad word about MOR but so far he's doing slightly worse than Dooher did last year
You do know they played the All Ireland champions today? 🤔
Yeah with half their team missing. They played Donegal last year who turned out to be Ulster champions beating the soon to be AI champions in the final
Quote from: Rossfan on April 26, 2025, 08:29:57 PMCould those saying Gough had a bad game list all the wrong decisions?
I thought he had a decent game apart from two calls. I couldn't see a foul in the last free, Peter Harte ran towards the player, no push, pull or shoulder from him, so what was it for?
Should have been a free at least for Rafferty touching the ball, if he did trip the Tyrone player or stop a goal chance for Tyrone then also a black (not sure on Gough's view for this and haven't seen a replay, so maybe a free only). Tyrone made more mistakes in game to make up for these and Armagh cool heads in the last few minutes mattered.
Quote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 09:29:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 09:16:52 PMQuote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 08:16:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2025, 07:52:27 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 26, 2025, 07:39:36 PMGough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Tyrone have been a mess for a while so hard to expect MOR to change things straight away. Positive signs though
They had a better league last year and had a similar performance in Ulster against a fancied team. I know no one likes to say a bad word about MOR but so far he's doing slightly worse than Dooher did last year
You do know they played the All Ireland champions today? 🤔
Yeah with half their team missing. They played Donegal last year who turned out to be Ulster champions beating the soon to be AI champions in the final
Quote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 09:29:48 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 09:16:52 PMQuote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 08:16:06 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on April 26, 2025, 07:52:27 PMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on April 26, 2025, 07:39:36 PMGough didn't have a great afternoon. Refs have an impossible task and are always going to make mistakes..but he had a few really poor ones. Ultimately though it's always too easy to blame the ref. Tyrone had the game in their hands in the closing stages and made some poor calls. Failing to pop the ball over the bar on their last two attacks was huge. Armagh on the other hand made all the right calls in those closing minutes and fair play to them.
But for all Tyrone didn't see it out and the issues on the kick out - where there is a lot of work to do - they came back admirably in the second half and a number of players stepped up. Among them McElhom, who came on and really impressed. Others still have much more to offer. I was wondering earlier where exactly Tyrone are. After watching that I'd say it's clearly an upward trajectory after two years of chaos and the potential is there to go much further. As such, plenty of positives in defeat, which certainly isn't something I'd have said after a 1 point Ulster semi final defeat in the old days ;D
It was a cracking contest to watch too. Hopefully more of the same in the final and subsequent AI series.
Tyrone have been a mess for a while so hard to expect MOR to change things straight away. Positive signs though
They had a better league last year and had a similar performance in Ulster against a fancied team. I know no one likes to say a bad word about MOR but so far he's doing slightly worse than Dooher did last year
You do know they played the All Ireland champions today? 🤔
Yeah with half their team missing. They played Donegal last year who turned out to be Ulster champions beating the soon to be AI champions in the final
Beaten by the All Ireland champions by 1 point.. am I wrong?
The Rafferty incident looked a black card for a trip. Tyrone made too many mistakes in the forward line turning ball over.
Did either keeper make a save?
Anyone clarify why Gough blew his whistle to stop the game, give Morgan a yellow card but allowed Tyrone to keep possession and continue their attack? Surely this would result in a loss of possession? Surely he could have allowed for the end of the play and return to give a yellow?
Quote from: Solo_run on April 26, 2025, 09:39:18 PMAnyone clarify why Gough blew his whistle to stop the game, give Morgan a yellow card but allowed Tyrone to keep possession and continue their attack? Surely this would result in a loss of possession? Surely he could have allowed for the end of the play and return to give a yellow?
I couldn't understand that one either.. need our in-house referee to explain that
Quote from: Solo_run on April 26, 2025, 09:39:18 PMAnyone clarify why Gough blew his whistle to stop the game, give Morgan a yellow card but allowed Tyrone to keep possession and continue their attack? Surely this would result in a loss of possession? Surely he could have allowed for the end of the play and return to give a yellow?
I thought Tyrone got a free and he then went back, no?
Quote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 09:38:21 PMBeaten by the All Ireland champions by 1 point.. am I wrong?
You aren't wrong. My point is they also had a good performance last year in Ulster Vs Donegal who are of a similar level to Armagh but they didn't get relegated from the league under Dooher. I don't think at this point you can say there has been much improvement Vs Dooher.
The decision I wondered about was to blow the whistle before the "goal" was scored around 55th minute and not allow an obvious clear advantage in front of goal for Tyrone
Quote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 09:53:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 09:38:21 PMBeaten by the All Ireland champions by 1 point.. am I wrong?
You aren't wrong. My point is they also had a good performance last year in Ulster Vs Donegal who are of a similar level to Armagh but they didn't get relegated from the league under Dooher. I don't think at this point you can say there has been much improvement Vs Dooher.
They got more points in the league this than Dooher last year though.
Dublin beat them in the league by 21 too.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 26, 2025, 09:11:41 PMArmagh have not been the best team in Ulster since 2008. It seems this might finally be their year.
Haven't been the best penalty takers since 2023.
Quote from: Mario on April 26, 2025, 09:53:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on April 26, 2025, 09:38:21 PMBeaten by the All Ireland champions by 1 point.. am I wrong?
You aren't wrong. My point is they also had a good performance last year in Ulster Vs Donegal who are of a similar level to Armagh but they didn't get relegated from the league under Dooher. I don't think at this point you can say there has been much improvement Vs Dooher.
They were totally lost by the end of last years championship... beaten at home by Roscommon and players seemed relieved it was over. Should they get rid of O'Rourke and get Dooher back for more of that?
Quote from: Main Street on April 26, 2025, 09:55:11 PMThe decision I wondered about was to blow the whistle before the "goal" was scored around 55th minute and not allow an obvious clear advantage in front of goal for Tyrone
Wasn't much discussion on commentary on this. The whistle went well before the "goal" so impossible to tell if it would have resulted from an advantage. Could have been stopped because of a foul by the Tyrone forward or just a bad application of the advantage rule we will probably never know.
Armagh the better side but didn't put Tyrone away. Not sure why they didn't.
As O'Neill said, Tyrone probably subdued by the Pope's funeral. Having said that, they're not bad for a Division 2 team.
Bit of a rollercoaster ride. Thought we didn't have a big enough lead at half time, impressed by Armagh's start to the second half, thought we'd lost it when we went two points down, then a great one point win.
Quote from: ONeill on April 26, 2025, 11:25:23 PMArmagh the better side but didn't put Tyrone away. Not sure why they didn't.
Good point. Thought we were going to run away with it 15 mins into the second half, but Tyrone got back into it without playing overly great.
I think it's an Armagh thing in big games. But McGeeney seems to have mastered it now.
Game was pretty dull first half. Neither side playing with much intensity. Armagh dominating kickouts and finding it much easier to score.
Tyrone upped a gear in second half, subs made a difference.
Armagh overall prob shaded the game however D Canavan not getting a shot away to keep the 2 point gap at the end was a big blow.
Not sure there was much (or anything) in the foul at the end. Soft as you like.
Bad day for Morgan to have one of his worst days out. His last kick in particular was dreadful but he'd been poor all day.
That being said he is normally excellent so can't be too harsh.
Some progress from Tyrone, still a ways to go.
MoR needs to tell the two Canavans it's not compulsory to do a dummy solo every time they have the ball. Ran into trouble far too much.
Armagh have serious depth in thier panel.
Between Armagh, Donegal, Galway and Kerry for Sam this year
Clones still a total f**king nightmare for parking and getting home afterwards.
Fair points.
Crazy to think that game wasn't on tv or even the radio.
Armagh started with 2 out of 3 of the 2024 full back line.
Burns went to Darragh
McCambridge to Ruairi
McCormack (weakest, accordingly) to McCurry
I'd fully expect Dazzler to reap the reward of being picked up by the their weakest man marker.
Tyrone were destroyed on kickouts, I'd love to see stats on how many shots Armagh got off from their own kickouts, must be a high %. Tyrone played poorly and were still within a kick of Armagh. Substitutes added value (particularly McElholm).
Armagh will strengthen personnel as the summer rolls on, Tyrone will improve. Would expect to see them both down the line and would welcome a rematch 😬
Quote from: tyroneman on April 26, 2025, 11:42:07 PMNot sure there was much (or anything) in the foul at the end. Soft as you like.
While Gough made some debatable calls that was one he got right.
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1916237689369629138/mediaViewer?
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:15:54 AMQuote from: tyroneman on April 26, 2025, 11:42:07 PMNot sure there was much (or anything) in the foul at the end. Soft as you like.
While Gough made some debatable calls that was one he got right.
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1916237689369629138/mediaViewer?
It was a free all day long. Soupy's equaliser, I thought it should have been a 2 pointer at the time, haven't seen a replay of it yet though.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 27, 2025, 12:34:47 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:15:54 AMQuote from: tyroneman on April 26, 2025, 11:42:07 PMNot sure there was much (or anything) in the foul at the end. Soft as you like.
While Gough made some debatable calls that was one he got right.
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1916237689369629138/mediaViewer?
It was a free all day long. Soupy's equaliser, I thought it should have been a 2 pointer at the time, haven't seen a replay of it yet though.
Was a one pointer.
Quote from: The Bearded One on April 27, 2025, 12:00:11 AMArmagh started with 2 out of 3 of the 2024 full back line.
Burns went to Darragh
McCambridge to Ruairi
McCormack (weakest, accordingly) to McCurry
I'd fully expect Dazzler to reap the reward of being picked up by the their weakest man marker.
Tyrone were destroyed on kickouts, I'd love to see stats on how many shots Armagh got off from their own kickouts, must be a high %. Tyrone played poorly and were still within a kick of Armagh. Substitutes added value (particularly McElholm).
Armagh will strengthen personnel as the summer rolls on, Tyrone will improve. Would expect to see them both down the line and would welcome a rematch 😬
Seemed to be Barry on McCurry most of the time and Tomas on Ruairi? Thought we handled the Canavans fairly well
Quote from: balladmaker on April 27, 2025, 12:34:47 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:15:54 AMQuote from: tyroneman on April 26, 2025, 11:42:07 PMNot sure there was much (or anything) in the foul at the end. Soft as you like.
While Gough made some debatable calls that was one he got right.
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1916237689369629138/mediaViewer?
It was a free all day long. Soupy's equaliser, I thought it should have been a 2 pointer at the time, haven't seen a replay of it yet though.
Soupy was just about inside, looked outside at the time but on replay Gough got it right.
Ulster final won't be in Croker. Donegal not keen on it.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:37:28 AMQuote from: balladmaker on April 27, 2025, 12:34:47 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:15:54 AMQuote from: tyroneman on April 26, 2025, 11:42:07 PMNot sure there was much (or anything) in the foul at the end. Soft as you like.
While Gough made some debatable calls that was one he got right.
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1916237689369629138/mediaViewer?
It was a free all day long. Soupy's equaliser, I thought it should have been a 2 pointer at the time, haven't seen a replay of it yet though.
Was a one pointer.
Watching it back there I thought the heel of Soupys standing foot was on the line. Very close call anyway.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2025, 09:40:00 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:37:28 AMQuote from: balladmaker on April 27, 2025, 12:34:47 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:15:54 AMQuote from: tyroneman on April 26, 2025, 11:42:07 PMNot sure there was much (or anything) in the foul at the end. Soft as you like.
While Gough made some debatable calls that was one he got right.
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1916237689369629138/mediaViewer?
It was a free all day long. Soupy's equaliser, I thought it should have been a 2 pointer at the time, haven't seen a replay of it yet though.
Was a one pointer.
Watching it back there I thought the heel of Soupys standing foot was on the line. Very close call anyway.
Think it was a one but could easily be given as a 2 pointer. Its going to be very interesting later in the year if it comes down to a team winning or losing with a kick like that.
Having now watched the game back my thoughts are that it was a good game between two very good teams neither of whom were at a 100%.
Armagh the better team overall and fully deserving of the win.
Tyrone though maybe the side with more room for improvement. Wouldn't like the two sides to meet again.
Some shocking and inconsistent decisions from Gough who had one of his poorest games that I've ever seen from him. Thankfully didn't affect the result.
On the Rafferty thing it's one of the strangest things I've seen in some time. Looking back it looks like he dives between the ball and the goal as if to make a save as Canavan comes on the ball. It seems Canavan gets there, pokes it towards goal and it comes off Rafferty's chest. As I think Wobbler said it looks like a foul but I'm not sure why.
The Morgan yellow card was equally strange. Having had a quick look at the official guide it seems the penalty for dissent is a yellow card and not a free which is strange. That said I can't see how he can stop the game and then allow Tyrone to restart with a free kick. Also the 10 seconds before that show how inconsistent Gough was. Morgan takes possibly the most steps taken all day. If the steps rule had been consistently enforced it would have been a penalty to Armagh.
The incident that lead to Geezers frustration was also clearly a brain fart by Gough. (That's not to excuse Geezer). Armagh player takes a mark. Is tackled two steps later and is blown for over carrying on the 5th step. How that wasn't given as a 50m advancement of the free to Armagh is beyond me. The only explanation seems to be that Gough forgot it was a mark because he had properly enforced the rule a few minutes earlier. Big decision too as it goes from a simple free to Armagh to a two point score for Tyrone.
It also looks like Soupys heel is on the line when he kicks the penultimate score but it was so close I'm not sure I can criticise Gough for that.
The final free was stonewall. Harte charges straight into Turbitt.
On the Armagh players I thought Rafferty had an excellent game but Tyrone coped well with him.
I thought Mossey and Burns had very good games.
McCambridge was off his usual high standards but his man was in top form to be fair.
McCabe and McQuillan did well.
Murnin was excellent as always as was Grugan and Crealey
I thought both O'Neills started well but faded.
I thought Jarly Og had a very poor half and was lucky not to be pulled at half time but had a very good second half.
Thought McGrane did rightly in an unfamiliar role.
Conaty was a little off his high standards too
McMullan is a frustrating player to watch. Pace to burn but seems to do the difficult thing well but isn't as good at the easy stuff.
I said it on another thread that I don't think Armagh will win the all Ireland this year but they may go close if the missing players return. Although they do have great strength in depth.
On the new rules, I still don't like any of them. That said they make for a better spectacle on TV and I dislike them less when watching on TV than I do when being there.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2025, 09:54:19 AMQuote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2025, 09:40:00 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:37:28 AMQuote from: balladmaker on April 27, 2025, 12:34:47 AMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 12:15:54 AMQuote from: tyroneman on April 26, 2025, 11:42:07 PMNot sure there was much (or anything) in the foul at the end. Soft as you like.
While Gough made some debatable calls that was one he got right.
https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1916237689369629138/mediaViewer?
It was a free all day long. Soupy's equaliser, I thought it should have been a 2 pointer at the time, haven't seen a replay of it yet though.
Was a one pointer.
Watching it back there I thought the heel of Soupys standing foot was on the line. Very close call anyway.
Think it was a one but could easily be given as a 2 pointer. Its going to be very interesting later in the year if it comes down to a team winning or losing with a kick like that.
It's hard to tell. As the ball is falling to his foot his standing foot is clearly on the line but the camera zooms just at the point of contact so you can't see exactly where it is at that point.
I thought he was at the inner D when he kicked it? As he didn't appeal at all.
Once the ball is struck it can be blocked by any part of the body regardless of any present danger to both players, except of course the feet cannot be used under any circumstances even in totally harmless situations.
Quote from: Grace Murphy on April 27, 2025, 10:31:37 AMI thought he was at the inner D when he kicked it? As he didn't appeal at all.
No his back heel seems to be just touching the outer d. At least it clearly is as the ball is dropping the camera zooms in as contact is made so it's not 100% clear and his momentum takes him inside which is probably why he doesn't appeal
Watching the Rafferty incident again - I'm wondering why did he come storming out of nets in the first place looking the ball if he couldn't take it as a direct pass? That was stupid and could have ended so badly.
Is there an image of the heel on the arc? Was ref'ing so never seen the games yesterday
Quote from: LarryStiles on April 27, 2025, 09:09:56 AMUlster final won't be in Croker. Donegal not keen on it.
Can a county say no and refuse to play final in a certain venue?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 11:43:50 AMIs there an image of the heel on the arc? Was ref'ing so never seen the games yesterday
I have one but I don't know how to share it
I don't understand how anyone thinks that last free wasn't a free. It was as blatant as they come.
What seems mad to me is that we have had the 4 steps rule for as long as I remember and it has rarely been enforced. Then out of the blue mid-championship Gough decides to enforce it completely differently than they ever have. I'm all for being stricter on it, but surely this should have been something that was brought in with the new rules from the start of the year as well.
I think Goughs performance yesterday highlights the main issue I have with the new rules, they have made the game MORE difficult to officiate, even for the top referees.
He had a horrible 10 min spell in the second half where he made so many controversial decisions.( For and against both sides)
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2025, 11:51:31 AMI don't understand how anyone thinks that last free wasn't a free. It was as blatant as they come.
Was 100% a free. Only issue i had with gough was Rafferty taking out darragh which went unpunished.
Last free was very obviously a foul.
David doesn't like the new rules but admits they make for more exciting viewing (on TV!?).
So they've done what they were introduced for.
I'm able to enjoy watching games as a neutral again.
Now if only our lads can shape up....
Quote from: Grace Murphy on April 27, 2025, 10:31:37 AMI thought he was at the inner D when he kicked it? As he didn't appeal at all.
There's no appeals accept it or give away a possible 2 points, Gough showed yesterday refs now have been given carte blance in matches without fear of anyone on or off the field questioning them, he has some abysmal calls yesterday no doubt get an All Ireland though, shocking they are now King makers.
Quote from: Rossfan on April 27, 2025, 12:04:21 PMLast free was very obviously a foul.
David doesn't like the new rules but admits they make for more exciting viewing (on TV!?).
So they've done what they were introduced for.
I'm able to enjoy watching games as a neutral again.
Now if only our lads can shape up....
Yes this was a point I think I made from the start. There seems to be a real divergence between those who only attend games versus those who primarily watch on TV. During the league I was mainly attending matches and wouldn't watch them back again after. At games I think all the issues with the rules are laid bare. On tv they aren't as obvious.
I have two brothers who are avid football fans. One only attends matches and despises the rules. One is only able to watch the matches on TV and adores them. I don't think that's a coincidence.
That said my view remains. If the changes to the rules was to improve the quality of the game they aren't good. If they were to improve it for TV they seem to be.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 27, 2025, 12:00:44 PMWhat seems mad to me is that we have had the 4 steps rule for as long as I remember and it has rarely been enforced. Then out of the blue mid-championship Gough decides to enforce it completely differently than they ever have. I'm all for being stricter on it, but surely this should have been something that was brought in with the new rules from the start of the year as well.
I think Goughs performance yesterday highlights the main issue I have with the new rules, they have made the game MORE difficult to officiate, even for the top referees.
He had a horrible 10 min spell in the second half where he made so many controversial decisions.( For and against both sides)
To be fair they said during the week that they would be enforcing 4 steps and as a former defender I think it's great!
For too long forwards have taken too much out of the ball and. Or given defenders a chance to tackle so hopefully this is the start of it being reffed properly.
Every overcarrying decision yesterday was the correct one!
Quote from: screenexile on April 27, 2025, 12:12:20 PMQuote from: blewuporstuffed on April 27, 2025, 12:00:44 PMWhat seems mad to me is that we have had the 4 steps rule for as long as I remember and it has rarely been enforced. Then out of the blue mid-championship Gough decides to enforce it completely differently than they ever have. I'm all for being stricter on it, but surely this should have been something that was brought in with the new rules from the start of the year as well.
I think Goughs performance yesterday highlights the main issue I have with the new rules, they have made the game MORE difficult to officiate, even for the top referees.
He had a horrible 10 min spell in the second half where he made so many controversial decisions.( For and against both sides)
To be fair they said during the week that they would be enforcing 4 steps and as a former defender I think it's great!
For too long forwards have taken too much out of the ball and. Or given defenders a chance to tackle so hopefully this is the start of it being reffed properly.
Every overcarrying decision yesterday was the correct one!
I have been calling for it to be enforced properly for years, my point is why wasn't this brought in with the other enhancements at the start of the year rather than mid championship for the biggest game of the year so far?
We had a game last week were a player scores a decisive goal taking about 10 steps and then a week later players are getting blown on the 4th step?
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on April 27, 2025, 12:23:10 PMQuote from: screenexile on April 27, 2025, 12:12:20 PMQuote from: blewuporstuffed on April 27, 2025, 12:00:44 PMWhat seems mad to me is that we have had the 4 steps rule for as long as I remember and it has rarely been enforced. Then out of the blue mid-championship Gough decides to enforce it completely differently than they ever have. I'm all for being stricter on it, but surely this should have been something that was brought in with the new rules from the start of the year as well.
I think Goughs performance yesterday highlights the main issue I have with the new rules, they have made the game MORE difficult to officiate, even for the top referees.
He had a horrible 10 min spell in the second half where he made so many controversial decisions.( For and against both sides)
To be fair they said during the week that they would be enforcing 4 steps and as a former defender I think it's great!
For too long forwards have taken too much out of the ball and. Or given defenders a chance to tackle so hopefully this is the start of it being reffed properly.
Every overcarrying decision yesterday was the correct one!
I have been calling for it to be enforced properly for years, my point is why wasn't this brought in with the other enhancements at the start of the year rather than mid championship for the biggest game of the year so far?
We had a game last week were a player scores a decisive goal taking about 10 steps and then a week later players are getting blown on the 4th step?
My issue is it's not consistent which leads to frustration. Gough missed plenty of clear over carries yesterday. Particularly one that should have been a penalty. Morgan taking 8 steps just before his booking.
That said we aren't going to get perfection
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 12:06:20 PMQuote from: Grace Murphy on April 27, 2025, 10:31:37 AMI thought he was at the inner D when he kicked it? As he didn't appeal at all.
There's no appeals accept it or give away a possible 2 points, Gough showed yesterday refs now have been given carte blance in matches without fear of anyone on or off the field questioning them, he has some abysmal calls yesterday no doubt get an All Ireland though, shocking they are now King makers.
Yes, I agree. Some of his decisions were absolutely baffling yesterday. Must be so frustrating for players, and they dare not question his decision for fear of a card or free moved up.
I mean, a manager remonstrating on the line , means a free in front of the posts. Absolute nonsense.
Wouldn't be surprised , if I get a knock on the door shortly, and David Gough is stood there, in full kit , showing me a yellow card . That's how mad these rules have become.
Ref's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Quote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2025, 10:22:16 AMHaving now watched the game back my thoughts are that it was a good game between two very good teams neither of whom were at a 100%.
Armagh the better team overall and fully deserving of the win.
Tyrone though maybe the side with more room for improvement. Wouldn't like the two sides to meet again.
Some shocking and inconsistent decisions from Gough who had one of his poorest games that I've ever seen from him. Thankfully didn't affect the result.
On the Rafferty thing it's one of the strangest things I've seen in some time. Looking back it looks like he dives between the ball and the goal as if to make a save as Canavan comes on the ball. It seems Canavan gets there, pokes it towards goal and it comes off Rafferty's chest. As I think Wobbler said it looks like a foul but I'm not sure why.
The Morgan yellow card was equally strange. Having had a quick look at the official guide it seems the penalty for dissent is a yellow card and not a free which is strange. That said I can't see how he can stop the game and then allow Tyrone to restart with a free kick. Also the 10 seconds before that show how inconsistent Gough was. Morgan takes possibly the most steps taken all day. If the steps rule had been consistently enforced it would have been a penalty to Armagh.
The incident that lead to Geezers frustration was also clearly a brain fart by Gough. (That's not to excuse Geezer). Armagh player takes a mark. Is tackled two steps later and is blown for over carrying on the 5th step. How that wasn't given as a 50m advancement of the free to Armagh is beyond me. The only explanation seems to be that Gough forgot it was a mark because he had properly enforced the rule a few minutes earlier. Big decision too as it goes from a simple free to Armagh to a two point score for Tyrone.
It also looks like Soupys heel is on the line when he kicks the penultimate score but it was so close I'm not sure I can criticise Gough for that.
The final free was stonewall. Harte charges straight into Turbitt.
On the Armagh players I thought Rafferty had an excellent game but Tyrone coped well with him.
I thought Mossey and Burns had very good games.
McCambridge was off his usual high standards but his man was in top form to be fair.
McCabe and McQuillan did well.
Murnin was excellent as always as was Grugan and Crealey
I thought both O'Neills started well but faded.
I thought Jarly Og had a very poor half and was lucky not to be pulled at half time but had a very good second half.
Thought McGrane did rightly in an unfamiliar role.
Conaty was a little off his high standards too
McMullan is a frustrating player to watch. Pace to burn but seems to do the difficult thing well but isn't as good at the easy stuff.
I said it on another thread that I don't think Armagh will win the all Ireland this year but they may go close if the missing players return. Although they do have great strength in depth.
On the new rules, I still don't like any of them. That said they make for a better spectacle on TV and I dislike them less when watching on TV than I do when being there.
Thought Conaty and O'Neill were superb for us, Conaty had what 4 from play? O'Neill was super for a lad in his 3rd ever start.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Nicely summed up with refs have no accountability get over it.
From a Tyrone prospective it's very disappointing to lose a game that they were in a position to win with 3-4 minutes to go. Decision making down the stretch cost them and not for the first time this year. Threw points away in Mayo and Galway and a lead against Kerry in the league with 5 minutes to go. That'll come with putting themselves in those positions.
But overall that's the first time in 4 years they've got near a game of that intensity and not looked out of place. And to be honest 2, maybe 3 players got near their potential. Malachy will have learnt a lot yesterday.
The trajectory is pointing the right way and McElholm's cameo was about as good as I've seen from a young player for Tyrone in a long long time.
On Armagh their kickouts allowed them to control the game in a way Tyrone couldn't. Notably very few went over the half way line. Tyrone in contrast couldn't get any sort of control. Armagh are the best coach team in Ireland by a distance at the moment and the last 3-4 minutes showed that.
From a Tyrone point of view I wouldn't have been too happy with Gough, and i haven't any complaints on the last free. He gave Armagh a mark in the first half that Callum O'Neill (I think) dropped and Kilpatrick won the break. Gough whistle happy as he was had the whistle blown too soon. Ball went over the bar 10 seconds later. The Rafferty incident was bizarre. Canavan was through on goal but a goalkeeper who couldn't receive the pass took him out.
The directive on steps was out on Thursday, teams knew what was coming. McKernan and Ruairi got pulled when Tyrone were threatening. It's frustrating for everyone.
Looking forward to the qualifier draw now and getting back on the horse. The summer is just starting.
I think if we're going to be strict on the steps rule, move it out to 6 and be strict with it.
How a man can catch a mark, be tackled almost immediately then be blown for too long, then the other team be given a shot in from of the net for 2 points because a manager dared question the almighty Gough I don't know.
On today, you'd imagine Donegal will win by whatever they want, can't see them going full throttle and showing their hand which will keep Down relatively competitive and they do have enough talent to cause harm. Donegal by 7.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Perfectly agree that Geezer was out of line yesterday and whilst I can understand the frustration because it followed an objectively unjustifiable decision you can't react like that. The issue I have is that reactions like that are largely heat of the moment things. Therefore a free from pretty much wherever the opposition wants one is a disproportionate punishment. It's not going to deter those things either because they are spontaneous. It also makes little to no sense. Player does it yesterday and it's a free to their team and a yellow card. Manager does it and it's a yellow card and a free to the opposition from wherever they want. That doesn't make sense to me.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 12:51:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Nicely summed up with refs have no accountability get over it.
I've summoned it up many many times, but I can't teach stupid though..
Ref's are assessed every game and a report given to them, now either you're thick or just being a dick. Probably both
Quote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2025, 12:56:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Perfectly agree that Geezer was out of line yesterday and whilst I can understand the frustration because it followed an objectively unjustifiable decision you can't react like that. The issue I have is that reactions like that are largely heat of the moment things. Therefore a free from pretty much wherever the opposition wants one is a disproportionate punishment. It's not going to deter those things either because they are spontaneous. It also makes little to no sense. Player does it yesterday and it's a free to their team and a yellow card. Manager does it and it's a yellow card and a free to the opposition from wherever they want. That doesn't make sense to me.
David I've been at every end of the GAA spectrum, I get it at so many levels but 'thems' the rules, it's ok to question them and by using your club as a medium to voice the dislike of them it's the only way that club/county delegates can actually make a change.
Personally it's lowered the times people give abuse. Which can't be a bad thing
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 12:51:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Nicely summed up with refs have no accountability get over it.
I've summoned it up many many times, but I can't teach stupid though..
Ref's are assessed every game and a report given to them, now either you're thick or just being a dick. Probably both
Ah so refs can give abuse but they can't be questioned, you must ref Junior B. So when a decision is made that costs a team a victory the fact that that ref maybe assessed should be comfort enough? Sure keep up with the abuse, you're some pup.
I think what most people are looking for is the one where 6/7/8 + steps are taken get called consistently. It's going to be very difficult to call in real time if a player played the ball on his 4th step or his 5th step.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 01:01:46 PMQuote from: David McKeown on April 27, 2025, 12:56:16 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Perfectly agree that Geezer was out of line yesterday and whilst I can understand the frustration because it followed an objectively unjustifiable decision you can't react like that. The issue I have is that reactions like that are largely heat of the moment things. Therefore a free from pretty much wherever the opposition wants one is a disproportionate punishment. It's not going to deter those things either because they are spontaneous. It also makes little to no sense. Player does it yesterday and it's a free to their team and a yellow card. Manager does it and it's a yellow card and a free to the opposition from wherever they want. That doesn't make sense to me.
David I've been at every end of the GAA spectrum, I get it at so many levels but 'thems' the rules, it's ok to question them and by using your club as a medium to voice the dislike of them it's the only way that club/county delegates can actually make a change.
Personally it's lowered the times people give abuse. Which can't be a bad thing
I think that's what I'm doing. I haven't refereed in years so I'll bow to your experience I just feel there are more fitting penalties for the crime.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 12:51:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Nicely summed up with refs have no accountability get over it.
I've summoned it up many many times, but I can't teach stupid though..
Ref's are assessed every game and a report given to them, now either you're thick or just being a dick. Probably both
Ironic that your first reaction to be challenged on a message board is to be abusive yet players or managers involved in top level sport who throw up their hands, shout at the ref to say they've been fouled is a yellow card and 50m free.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 01:05:05 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 12:51:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Nicely summed up with refs have no accountability get over it.
I've summoned it up many many times, but I can't teach stupid though..
Ref's are assessed every game and a report given to them, now either you're thick or just being a dick. Probably both
Ah so refs can give abuse but they can't be questioned, you must ref Junior B. So when a decision is made that costs a team a victory the fact that that ref maybe assessed should be comfort enough? Sure keep up with the abuse, you're some pup.
So where did the ref give abuse? The ref will react to dissent or remonstration and give a card and the appropriate rule.
If he's wrong he'll get pulled for it at his assessment which is the par at each county game. Ref's I've said make mistakes, I'm not sure what sorts of punishments you are looking, it's not like we have an endless pool of referees, but if you're not stupid you'll know that.
If you wanna keep up with the stupid posts I'll keep at it..
Quote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 01:26:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 12:51:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Nicely summed up with refs have no accountability get over it.
I've summoned it up many many times, but I can't teach stupid though..
Ref's are assessed every game and a report given to them, now either you're thick or just being a dick. Probably both
Ironic that your first reaction to be challenged on a message board is to be abusive yet players or managers involved in top level sport who throw up their hands, shout at the ref to say they've been fouled is a yellow card and 50m free.
I've been challenged a thousand times hardly ironic, if you can't make the distinction between a message board and an actual game or how I handle myself in a game then I can help you understand
You're grand arguing with someone on a discussion board who can't read isn't the best use of my time, you have a nice day now, maybe try not abusing folk when posting, lots going on in the world, this really doesn't matter that much.
Quote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 01:26:34 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:57:17 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 12:51:19 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 12:47:46 PMRef's have made mistakes, not a ref out there that thinks any different, but remonstrating like a header comes with it a penalty so why do it?
No one should be allowed to give abuse, I'm not sure what difference it actually did, born outta frustration I get, but channeling it differently is required now
Nicely summed up with refs have no accountability get over it.
I've summoned it up many many times, but I can't teach stupid though..
Ref's are assessed every game and a report given to them, now either you're thick or just being a dick. Probably both
Ironic that your first reaction to be challenged on a message board is to be abusive yet players or managers involved in top level sport who throw up their hands, shout at the ref to say they've been fouled is a yellow card and 50m free.
He doesn't do irony it seems.
A few seasoned players on the Armagh panel.Grugan,Murnin, Campbell,Forker. Grugan is a quality player. Be interesting to see if they hang around whenever McGeeney goes,or vice versa.
Hope the 450 Tyrone fans got home safe.
My few takeaways from the game.
Morgan overrated. Becoming a flopper when anyone is near him. Diver.
McCurry is sheer class. Unbelievable.
Caravans well shackled.
Armagh strength in tackle is on another level
Scary to think armagh still have 5/6 AI lads to come back from injury.
Tyrones famous midfield??? Lol
Gough. Some good some bad. Loves the limelight. Some huge errors missed. Won't be near any provincial or AI finals.
But can they overcome Donegal? Unlikely
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 01:36:24 PMYou're grand arguing with someone on a discussion board who can't read isn't the best use of my time, you have a nice day now, maybe try not abusing folk when posting, lots going on in the world, this really doesn't matter that much.
You were the one rowing in behind my posts with snide remarks. But whatever makes you feel good. Just put me on the ignore function
Quote from: 5times5times on April 27, 2025, 01:48:40 PMHope the 450 Tyrone fans got home safe.
My few takeaways from the game.
Morgan overrated. Becoming a flopper when anyone is near him. Diver.
McCurry is sheer class. Unbelievable.
Caravans well shackled.
Armagh strength in tackle is on another level
Scary to think armagh still have 5/6 AI lads to come back from injury.
Tyrones famous midfield??? Lol
Gough. Some good some bad. Loves the limelight. Some huge errors missed. Won't be near any provincial or AI finals.
But can they overcome Donegal? Unlikely
Spot on with Gough. We cleaned Tyrone on the kickouts with a man on one leg and a newbie in midfield, however the 2 big huers caused us abit of trouble when they ran at us.
Gough will be doing a 5 part documentary about McGeeney kicking the flag and how it took him years to get over it.
Down stamping their authority early.
Didn't miss him anyway. Red card all day. Would give him 1 alone for stupidity. Donegal getting away with plenty of steps.
Is there anything more jarring than Philly McMahon telling teams they need to kick the ball more? Did he ever kick the ball in his entire career?
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 03:12:32 PMDown stamping their authority early.
Lucky boy.
Down playing all the football so far.
Donegal 0-4 Down 0-4 after 15 minutes.
Philly been guilty of a odd stamp himself!
Poor stuff so far
Great ball, what was that lad at, take a shot at least.
Down have no forwards, so much ball so far, end product shocking.
Game over
Goal Donegal on 20 mins they lead 1-5 to 0-4.
These overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
This games a cracking advertisement for the shot clock.
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
Strange, cause it looked obvious he pulled him down.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
Doesnt get sent off for a strike he aint getting a card for a pull down.
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
How's it ruining the game?
Joe McQuillan being Joe McQuillan
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
How's it ruining the game?
They're not frees in any man's language. Be done for a week to shit a couple of teams and be forgot about again once there's a final on the line.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2025, 03:30:31 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
Doesnt get sent off for a strike he aint getting a card for a pull down.
St Michael.
Down got Derry syndrome, wouldnt kick pass the ball in.
Down really are a Tailteann Cup team
Quote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 03:32:25 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
How's it ruining the game?
They're not frees in any man's language. Be done for a week to shit a couple of teams and be forgot about again once there's a final on the line.
You could prove right. But if it's here to stay then it'll improve the game. It's not possible to defend one on one against modern powerhouse forwards, unless 4 steps are monitored.
Donegal 1-12 Down 0-7 half time
Sidebottom makes a good point there, Magill gets a black if he does thag to Murphy.
Eight point lead at the half in a game where we've barely had to break sweat. Honestly not sure what else to say about it - Down just don't look good enough up top to trouble us, at least so far. It's dull enough stuff with Down arseing about in possession and us efficient on the break and from kick outs.
Would there be 15k there today?
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 03:38:40 PMQuote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 03:32:25 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
How's it ruining the game?
They're not frees in any man's language. Be done for a week to shit a couple of teams and be forgot about again once there's a final on the line.
You could prove right. But if it's here to stay then it'll improve the game. It's not possible to defend one on one against modern powerhouse forwards, unless 4 steps are monitored.
You and me both agree it's not here to stay. So it's just a completely frustrating sideshow for players and fans for 1 weekend. Remember a few weeks ago they were blowing keepers for taking too long? What happened that? f**k all.
Quote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 03:53:05 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 03:38:40 PMQuote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 03:32:25 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
How's it ruining the game?
They're not frees in any man's language. Be done for a week to shit a couple of teams and be forgot about again once there's a final on the line.
You could prove right. But if it's here to stay then it'll improve the game. It's not possible to defend one on one against modern powerhouse forwards, unless 4 steps are monitored.
You and me both agree it's not here to stay. So it's just a completely frustrating sideshow for players and fans for 1 weekend. Remember a few weeks ago they were blowing keepers for taking too long? What happened that? f**k all.
Think it was changed to 30 seconds and "at the referees discretion"
::)
Murphy starting to be the king of the cheap shots! He gets a odd point or 2 but has seriously slowed down. Be a better option of the bench.
Murphy gets booked for the soft one lol
Thought contact with the head is a red card. Apparently not if your Murphy
I'd have thought that was a red too. Just slapped him on the face.
Murphy has always had this in him. Great on the ball but horrendous of it.
Jesus the consistency of refs applying the rules is a joke.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2025, 03:59:15 PMI'd have thought that was a red too. Just slapped him on the face.
Murphy has always had this in him. Great on the ball but horrendous of it.
The rule was clarified on Thursday that any contact with the neck or head is a straight red.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 27, 2025, 03:56:29 PMQuote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 03:53:05 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 03:38:40 PMQuote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 03:32:25 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 03:30:36 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 03:28:47 PMQuote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 03:26:28 PMThese overcarrying calls this weekend have been ridiculous
Ruining the game.
Golden boy Murphy no card for pulling Magill down?
How's it ruining the game?
They're not frees in any man's language. Be done for a week to shit a couple of teams and be forgot about again once there's a final on the line.
You could prove right. But if it's here to stay then it'll improve the game. It's not possible to defend one on one against modern powerhouse forwards, unless 4 steps are monitored.
You and me both agree it's not here to stay. So it's just a completely frustrating sideshow for players and fans for 1 weekend. Remember a few weeks ago they were blowing keepers for taking too long? What happened that? f**k all.
Think it was changed to 30 seconds and "at the referees discretion"
::)
Yeah so we'd a week or two of bullshit calls and then a change back to the status quo. exasperation for players, managers and fans and should they voice their frustration it's a 50m free. It's all such total bullshit, game be controlled at committee level.
I dont think that from Murphy warrants a red in all fairness. Minimal contact and your man is down low. Yellow correct call.
Why don't you all just shut up whinging about refereeing and just enjoy watching football?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 27, 2025, 04:03:16 PMI dont think that from Murphy warrants a red in all fairness. Minimal contact and your man is down low. Yellow correct call.
No attempt to play the ball. Swung arm out. Red for me
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 04:04:32 PMWhy don't you all just shut up whinging about refereeing and just enjoy watching football?
Games dead.. If there going to change the rules every week then it's there to be scrutinised
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 04:04:32 PMWhy don't you all just shut up whinging about refereeing and just enjoy watching football?
We can't anymore because of the referring. I'm now watching the hurling because you couldn't look at football this year.
Bizarre how the referee cheerleaders just try to shut down discussion rather than argue out the points. Seems the idea that any dissent, no matter how valid, needs to be silenced. The GAA taking a leaf out of the North Korean playbook.
Some crowd in a province crying about not having a 30,000 capacity stadium.
Murphy subbed off after 45 Minutes tells you how comfortable and in control Donegal are here.
Quote from: Mourne Red on April 27, 2025, 04:07:24 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 04:04:32 PMWhy don't you all just shut up whinging about refereeing and just enjoy watching football?
Games dead.. If there going to change the rules every week then it's there to be scrutinised
But it's not being scrutinised with any objectivity. It's just he said, she said on repeat. People expecting perfect execution and absolute consistency in a game that's moving 100% quicker than it was. This constant barking is even more tedious than football before the new rules.
Quote from: trileacman on April 27, 2025, 04:07:36 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 04:04:32 PMWhy don't you all just shut up whinging about refereeing and just enjoy watching football?
We can't anymore because of the referring. I'm now watching the hurling because you couldn't look at football this year.
Yesterday was class bar the refereeing. Down just aren't close to the level of Donegal so wasn't going to be much entertainment there.
Watch Cork v Tipp instead lads.
Flicked it over to watch a bitta football.. is there a sponsored silence going on?
I'm watching the business from Anfield on the tv with this game on the iPAD beside me.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 27, 2025, 04:13:45 PMFlicked it over to watch a bitta football.. is there a sponsored silence going on?
Don't say that, don't you know the new rules have cured all.
Donegal might want to lift this a wee bit.
And that's why he's a sub
Absolutely criminal
BIG goal chance not taken by Down, 10 mins left 1-18 to 0-14.
Quote from: knockitdown on April 27, 2025, 04:27:03 PMAbsolutely criminal
Shocking. To have the presence of mind to anticipate the short kick out but not the sweaty goal
Attention turns to Anfield.
Could have been goal there for Down again but not even a point. 1-18 to 0-16. 5 mins left.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2025, 04:00:02 PMJesus the consistency of refs applying the rules is a joke.
You're brave, you'll be getting called all sorts next.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2025, 04:00:51 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 27, 2025, 03:59:15 PMI'd have thought that was a red too. Just slapped him on the face.
Murphy has always had this in him. Great on the ball but horrendous of it.
The rule was clarified on Thursday that any contact with the neck or head is a straight red.
Joe will be assessed so alls good.
To think Eugene Brannigan ever reckoned he was too good to play for Down.
Donegal need a big improvement for Armagh they've been very average here and should have had Down put away ages ago.
FT Donegal 1-19 Down 0-16
Quote from: screenexile on April 27, 2025, 04:35:21 PMDonegal need a big improvement for Armagh they've been very average here and should have had Down put away ages ago.
Def not firing on all cylinders. Looked considerably better at times during the league.
That said they've coasted to big leads in their games so far.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 04:37:04 PMFT Donegal 1-19 Down 0-16
That was a 6 point hammering. Down had their chances to make it a close finish but couldn't take any of the chances. Although Donegal had packed up probably about 50 minutes into the game
Paddy McBrearty will be a little surprised to pick up that potm award. What did he have, 5 touches?
Poor enough spectacle today. Donegal never really tested so we learnt very little.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 04:38:46 PMPaddy McBrearty will be a little surprised to pick up that potm award. What did he have, 5 touches?
Philly McMahon strikes again... I thought McHugh was brilliant in defence and linking with attack.
Quote from: Nanderson on April 27, 2025, 04:38:41 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 27, 2025, 04:37:04 PMFT Donegal 1-19 Down 0-16
That was a 6 point hammering. Down had their chances to make it a close finish but couldn't take any of the chances. Although Donegal had packed up probably about 50 minutes into the game
Had Down taken one of those two goal chances it would have made for a very interesting finish.
Hard to know where Donegal are at. Cruised through some games. Down a good bit off this level yet.
Well, we're through.
Don't think that performance will have Armagh, or any other serious teams, getting nervous about us. Probably a wee bit too easy for most of it and complacency allowed Down to stay in touch. Could have cost us on another day.
Whisper it, but is trying to accommodate Murphy making a mess of the rest of their attack? Gallen is one of the best footballers in the country and has been reduced to a link man role.
Quote from: gallsman on April 27, 2025, 04:44:15 PMGallen is one of the best footballers in the country
::) Based on what?
Big Jim thought it was all over by clearing his bench early, with the new rules not so anymore and can be thankful Down was very wasteful with their opportunities.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on April 27, 2025, 04:46:59 PMQuote from: gallsman on April 27, 2025, 04:44:15 PMGallen is one of the best footballers in the country
::) Based on what?
Well he was nominated for All Stars both of the last two years, winning one in 2024. So there's that...
Anyone with eyes over the last few years can see that he's a fabulous footballer.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 04:32:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2025, 04:00:02 PMJesus the consistency of refs applying the rules is a joke.
You're brave, you'll be getting called all sorts next.
lol thanks. But it does completely annoy me that managers and players basically face different interpretations of the rule every game.
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2025, 04:59:53 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 04:32:33 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 27, 2025, 04:00:02 PMJesus the consistency of refs applying the rules is a joke.
You're brave, you'll be getting called all sorts next.
lol thanks. But it does completely annoy me that managers and players basically face different interpretations of the rule every game.
Not trying to be funny or smart here but in all my years involved in GAA, I've yet to see two refs referee the same, ever. Coldrick mentioned this in a podcast recently also
Donegal came flying out of the blocks in the league championship fit, they look ordinary enough atm and among the pack of contenders. Still think Galway are best positioned for Sam.
If Meath were to win today there could be some mad tough groups in the next phase.
Be a balls to have final in Croke Park, be a charity if they got less than 20k if they do.
I thought Donegal looked strong before today, but Monaghan pushed them hard and they weren't great today, although Downs running game doesn't work with the new rules. I edge Armagh ahead of them, whereas I had it the other way round a week ago.
Downs game wouldn't be far away if they could learn to put the ball in the net. Liam kerr, ryan and sheelin Johnston are a big loos from last year....
Give Eanetta the final. Making this leinster game a cracker.
Letting it flow, unlike that gobshite gough yday.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 05:15:34 PMBe a balls to have final in Croke Park, be a charity if they got less than 20k if they do.
They could do a double header now with Meath and Louth.
Quote from: bennydorano on April 27, 2025, 05:12:23 PMDonegal came flying out of the blocks in the league championship fit, they look ordinary enough atm and among the pack of contenders. Still think Galway are best positioned for Sam.
If Meath were to win today there could be some mad tough groups in the next phase.
A group with Galway or Kerry, the Ulster losers (Donegal?), and Dublin or Tyrone would be a tough one.
One the other hand if Tyrone ended up in a group with Meath/Louth, Clare then they'd be sorted.
Quote from: armaghniac on April 27, 2025, 05:43:17 PMQuote from: bennydorano on April 27, 2025, 05:12:23 PMDonegal came flying out of the blocks in the league championship fit, they look ordinary enough atm and among the pack of contenders. Still think Galway are best positioned for Sam.
If Meath were to win today there could be some mad tough groups in the next phase.
A group with Galway or Kerry, the Ulster losers (Donegal?), and Dublin or Tyrone would be a tough one.
One the other hand if Tyrone ended up in a group with Meath/Louth, Clare then they'd be sorted.
There will be some unlucky sods somewhere, hopefully not us, luck of the draw as important as anything - even the ref you draw for a match!
Derry now a 4th seed with Meath beating Dublin.
Game confirmed for clones on Saturday late evening.
Does clones have lights??
Final confirmed for Clones at 5.25pm on Saturday 10th May.
On late enough, for going home after it, with heavy traffic
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2025, 06:02:54 PMFinal confirmed for Clones at 5.25pm on Saturday 10th May.
Why is it on Saturday? Although it won't affect attendance, they'll fill it anyway.
Louth v Meath Sunday - TV rights?
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 06:52:09 PMLouth v Meath Sunday - TV rights?
Have it on Saturday evening and give us Sunday, Croke Park has floodlights and everyone lives within an hour away.
Quote from: 5times5times on April 27, 2025, 06:02:36 PMGame confirmed for clones on Saturday late evening.
Does clones have lights??
Not need lights this time of year, plenty of club matches around the country mid week don't throw in till 7 o clock and don't need lights
Quote from: Brendan on April 27, 2025, 10:22:31 PMQuote from: 5times5times on April 27, 2025, 06:02:36 PMGame confirmed for clones on Saturday late evening.
Does clones have lights??
Not need lights this time of year, plenty of club matches around the country mid week don't throw in till 7 o clock and don't need lights
The aren't televised though
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on April 27, 2025, 06:02:54 PMFinal confirmed for Clones at 5.25pm on Saturday 10th May.
Traffic was a shambles last Saturday
Clones was a mess to get out of
Where isn't a mess to get out off!
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 10:26:19 PMWhere isn't a mess to get out off!
5.25 throw in for a game that could go to extra time is madness
Be same mess 3.30 on a Sunday.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 10:31:59 PMBe same mess 3.30 on a Sunday.
Nope
Monaghan town had Saturday traffic
Took 50 mins to get through last week
Sunday never as bad
Moved to Saturday in case Donegal U20s reach the All Ireland semi final? they have a few on U20s on their senior panel.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 27, 2025, 10:39:17 PMMoved to Saturday in case Donegal U20s reach the All Ireland semi final? they have a few on U20s on their senior panel.
According to Cahair O'Kane it was fixed for Saturday night so the ladies final didn't have to start at 11.30am on Sunday morning. There's then the Galway and Wexford Leinster hurling game scheduled for 3.15pm on Saturday which is on RTE so it couldn't clash with that...
Quote from: naka on April 27, 2025, 10:36:46 PMQuote from: flowerpot on April 27, 2025, 10:31:59 PMBe same mess 3.30 on a Sunday.
Nope
Monaghan town had Saturday traffic
Took 50 mins to get through last week
Sunday never as bad
Don't follow Google maps, miss the town.
Harsh enough on Derry dropping to 4th seeds.
If Cork had of beat Kerry we'd have had 4 great provincial finals to look forward to but 3 ain't bad.
Tyrone would have also slipped down to 4th seeds.
The draw on Wednesday should be interesting.
Quote from: screenexile on April 27, 2025, 04:40:50 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 04:38:46 PMPaddy McBrearty will be a little surprised to pick up that potm award. What did he have, 5 touches?
Philly McMahon strikes again... I thought McHugh was brilliant in defence and linking with attack.
Does Philly have much of a clue there?
Quote from: Christmas Lights on April 28, 2025, 08:07:11 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 27, 2025, 04:40:50 PMQuote from: thewobbler on April 27, 2025, 04:38:46 PMPaddy McBrearty will be a little surprised to pick up that potm award. What did he have, 5 touches?
Philly McMahon strikes again... I thought McHugh was brilliant in defence and linking with attack.
Does Philly have much of a clue there?
Does Philly McMahon be taking the P*SS or does he genuinely not have a clue?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:11:02 AMHarsh enough on Derry dropping to 4th seeds.
Is it really? Since the winning penalty in last year's league final they've done the square root of f**k all.
Quote from: gallsman on April 28, 2025, 08:37:56 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:11:02 AMHarsh enough on Derry dropping to 4th seeds.
Is it really? Since the winning penalty in last year's league final they've done the square root of f**k all.
Very true but you wouldn't expect to drop to 4th seeds when in division 1.
First time it's happened I think.
Quote from: gallsman on April 28, 2025, 08:37:56 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:11:02 AMHarsh enough on Derry dropping to 4th seeds.
Is it really? Since the winning penalty in last year's league final they've done the square root of f**k all.
They got to an AI quarter final
Quote from: Mario on April 28, 2025, 08:43:46 AMQuote from: gallsman on April 28, 2025, 08:37:56 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:11:02 AMHarsh enough on Derry dropping to 4th seeds.
Is it really? Since the winning penalty in last year's league final they've done the square root of f**k all.
They got to an AI quarter final
To do which they beat Westmeath and drew with Mayo, subsequently winning on penalties.
But even take that at face value, coming out of last year they were, at best, 9th in the country. This year they picked up a single point in the league, generally looking way off the pace and were comfortably beaten by Donegal in the preliminary round in Ulster. 4th seed sounds about right to me.
Quote from: gallsman on April 28, 2025, 09:00:41 AMQuote from: Mario on April 28, 2025, 08:43:46 AMQuote from: gallsman on April 28, 2025, 08:37:56 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:11:02 AMHarsh enough on Derry dropping to 4th seeds.
Is it really? Since the winning penalty in last year's league final they've done the square root of f**k all.
They got to an AI quarter final
To do which they beat Westmeath and drew with Mayo, subsequently winning on penalties.
But even take that at face value, coming out of last year they were, at best, 9th in the country. This year they picked up a single point in the league, generally looking way off the pace and were comfortably beaten by Donegal in the preliminary round in Ulster. 4th seed sounds about right to me.
Put it this way, would you be confident of them beating any of the teams seeded above them bar Clare? They're well behind the division 1 teams and Louth and Meath are flying and full of confidence at the minute.
Quote from: gallsman on April 28, 2025, 09:00:41 AMQuote from: Mario on April 28, 2025, 08:43:46 AMQuote from: gallsman on April 28, 2025, 08:37:56 AMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:11:02 AMHarsh enough on Derry dropping to 4th seeds.
Is it really? Since the winning penalty in last year's league final they've done the square root of f**k all.
They got to an AI quarter final
To do which they beat Westmeath and drew with Mayo, subsequently winning on penalties.
But even take that at face value, coming out of last year they were, at best, 9th in the country. This year they picked up a single point in the league, generally looking way off the pace and were comfortably beaten by Donegal in the preliminary round in Ulster. 4th seed sounds about right to me.
How can you argue we were 9th in the country last year if we won the league and got to the last 8 of the AI. The only teams that beat us were the AI semi finalists. This year we had a point in the league but were playing the best teams in the country. Would we finish in the top half of D2, effectively equivalent to 3rd seeds? I'd say so. If we finish bottom of the group that will justify our seeding, we'll see.
Sorry yes, QF, not preliminary QF so at best they were the 5th team last year. I don't think anyone believes that though.
There's no question of "justification" of seeding - there is a clear formula for it. They could end up winning the all Ireland and with the benefit of hindsight you could come crowing back to lord it over me. It would still be completely irrelevant to the situation as it is today. Failure to reach the provincial final means they can only be 3rd or 4th seeds, so you're really splitting hairs if you want to argue that their seeding is a touch harsh.
Doesn't say much for the 2 semi finals at the weekend if the topic of discussion here is on Derry being a 4th seed, from an Antrim man! ;D
Donegal as expected beat Down at a canter. Down trying to run the ball all day was never going to work against a Donegal team as tight at the back as they are. Murphy once again could be considered fortunate to not see red though!
Armagh were, imo, 10 points the better side for the majority of the game with Tyrone. A combination of eye off the ball and Tyrone subs brought them back into it though. I said after the Cavan game that Tyrone's attacking play was poor and and for the majority of this game it was the same. Canavans well shackled. McCurry was definately Tyrone's best player. McElhone is a more exciting prospect though.
I'm not entirely sure under what rule, but I thought the Armagh keeper was lucky to not get a card when he dived between the ball and canavan after a backpass to him - feels like he should have been black carded at least. But I'm not sure if the rules have given consideration that type of scenario.
Referee was brutal - no consistency at all.
I don't think either Armagh or Donegal are as good as they are being made out to be, but I also dont see any other stand out side this year - so both have a good chance at an AI.
New rules make the games any better? Armagh v Tyrone - sideways play around the arc with rarely a ball kicked. Is that any different to games in recent years? Some very dubious refereeing calls around the new rules too causing more frustration offsetting any perceive benefits in my view.
Best score I saw at the weekend was a monster 2 pointer by Louth from outside the 45. I'd have remembered that score even if it was for 1pt. If anything we seem to be seeing less of these than before.
Final is probably a 50/50 game - with Donegal perhaps having a slight edge.
What is the rule on the backpass to the goalie by the way?
Is he allowed to touch the ball with any part of the body?
Or just hands.
And what is the punishment 21 metre free?
Can you take it back outside the arc for a 2 pointer?
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 10:20:48 AMWhat is the rule on the backpass to the goalie by the way?
Is he allowed to touch the ball with any part of the body?
Or just hands.
And what is the punishment 21 metre free?
Can you take it back outside the arc for a 2 pointer?
Not entirely sure.
But I think it's a black card offence to when you commit a foul on a goal scoring opportunity?
Either way - it's one of a litany of weird and wonderful ref decisions from that match.
Quote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:26:45 PMOverall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!
on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.
Ulster games have been poor enough like you say. I don't think Donegal look world beaters yet and Armagh definitely not as good as last year. Murphy probably wasn't quite as prominent for Donegal (from what I saw) and lost the rag a bit. I think Donegal will edge the final though but I think Armagh would love to win ulster as it's been a long time too.
Down were off the pace. I do wonder with how Laverty approaches games and how he fits / adapts to the new rules. It will be interesting how they fare in the qualifiers but I think they could struggle.
Jury still out in Tyrone but I think it's probably more a long term project and they are definitely going the right direction.
Bookies have Donegal as big favs @ 4/6.. Sounds about right, when you compare their subs, vs who yet to Armagh is still to see the field this year.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2025, 10:33:58 AMUlster games have been poor enough like you say. I don't think Donegal look world beaters yet and Armagh definitely not as good as last year. Murphy probably wasn't quite as prominent for Donegal (from what I saw) and lost the rag a bit. I think Donegal will edge the final though but I think Armagh would love to win ulster as it's been a long time too.
Down were off the pace. I do wonder with how Laverty approaches games and how he fits / adapts to the new rules. It will be interesting how they fare in the qualifiers but I think they could struggle.
Jury still out in Tyrone but I think it's probably more a long term project and they are definitely going the right direction.
Not sure how you can say Armagh don't look as good as last year with any great certainty just yet.
Armagh struggled over Down last year in the semi finals.
They've arguably looked better this year than they did this time last year. They've beaten better opposition anyway.
Jury is still out though.
Put it this way: who was tipping Armagh to win it all this time last year?
A lot of football still to be played for everyone.
Pre Pre Prelims are over
Pre Prelims now at final stages
Prelims to come
Then the real thing.
Quote from: J70 on April 28, 2025, 10:43:22 AMPut it this way: who was tipping Armagh to win it all this time last year?
A lot of football still to be played for everyone.
Exactly. Wouldn't surprise me one bit for any of the division one teams bar Mayo or Derry to go and win Sam.
We look a lot better than we did this time last year, but with the missing players Donegal have to be favourites for the final. Galway are flying at the minute and I'm sure Kerry will have say later on.
It's hard sometimes when you're at a game supporting your own team too not have the blinkers on, only natural I suppose. I thought Armagh got the shitty end of the stick a few times with Ref decisions but like I say I'd have loved to see the game again on the telly with replays etc as I might have a different outlook on it. A few of the over carrying decisions looked dodgy and I know rules are rules the management punishment for kicking out at a flag in frustration seems harsh. Tyrone had a few against them too so it wasn't all one way traffic but def thought the Ref was harsher on Armagh over the 70 mins.
As for the final, Donegal will rightly be favourites for this game, Armagh seem to be really struggling this year getting their best team out through injuries. There were men playing on Sat that have not made the squads never mind play in previous games so there's clearly an injury crisis or something going on in Armagh. This was like Galway last year who struggled the whole year trying to get their best players fit and how they managed to get to the final was remarkable, hopefully Armagh can start filtering them back in over the next 2,3 or 4 weeks.
Underdogs again with the bookies. Used to it by now but suits us ok.
Will be interesting to see who comes back into the Armagh team.
Quote from: Armamike on April 28, 2025, 10:54:38 AMUnderdogs again with the bookies. Used to it by now but suits us ok.
Will be interesting to see who comes back into the Armagh team.
Just something missing for a bit of spark that rian Oneill gives? Other than that they will be a hard team to beat with options like grimley to come back in. Will he come in at half forward now?
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 28, 2025, 10:32:34 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:26:45 PMOverall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!
on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.
Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.
The final most would have predicted before a ball was kicked this year. Another 50/50 in my opinion.
Donegal during the league seemed electric and most assumed they would up it a gear come championship but that doesn't seem to be the case so far from what I have seen. They have been good for sure but I wouldn't have them ahead of Armagh/Tyrone at this stage.
Armagh are motoring nicely, again as mentioned, injuries are playing a part but other players have put their hands up and grabbed their chance. The only issue is the quality of players coming off the bench now is less effective as some of those are starting.
Tyrone are heading in the right direction for sure. A lot of expectation on O'Rourke to deliver in his first year which is unrealistic given where they were this time last year, but they are certain to cause problems in the AI series for sure.
Again a 50/50 final, too hard to call.
Quote from: illdecide on April 28, 2025, 10:52:35 AMIt's hard sometimes when you're at a game supporting your own team too not have the blinkers on, only natural I suppose. I thought Armagh got the shitty end of the stick a few times with Ref decisions but like I say I'd have loved to see the game again on the telly with replays etc as I might have a different outlook on it.
This sums up my feelings too. At the time I was raging and wouldn't be overly harsh on McGeeney for losing the rag. There seemed to be four decisions one after the other given against us which seemed to help Tyrone get a foothold in the game but I'd need to see them back. The final overcarrying call against Ross was particularly harsh and appeared to send everyone over the edge. I think McGeeney was slow to make the changes required just like he was in the Ulster Final last year. Soupy only coming on in the 62nd minute was too late with some of Tyrone's subs influencing the game during the middle part of the second half. He needs to get the subs on quicker in the final.
Gough is unquestionably a top referee but tends to let his ego get the better of him at times. He gets overly fussy on silly rules and tries to turn the game into his show which isn't a good trait. Someone like David Coldrick isn't as fussy and seems to be the perfect personality for the role.
Quote from: WT4E on April 28, 2025, 11:05:29 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 28, 2025, 10:32:34 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:26:45 PMOverall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!
on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.
Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.
I can definitely see that Tyrone suffered from some poor calls from Gough along with Armagh but I really can't see where the debate on the last free comes from.
Just on the overcarrying debate... this would have not been a free a week or 2 weeks ago and it should be!
https://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1916787821202784321
Was it applied the same in any other games at the weekend though never mind a few weeks ago?
Firstly...if anyone thinks the free at the end for Armagh was not a free then I think you're watching a different incident to me, nailed on foul.
Soupy was only brought on because Andy Murnin was hurt, I'm not 100% sure what is going on here and maybe there's an explanation for this but his running power, strength and scoring ability surely trumps any previous subs on before him?.
The games are getting more scores but the physicality is going fast and will soon be non contact sport, the art of a corner back or full back tackling is gone which is a shame, Armagh had one good hit yesterday and dispossessed a Tyrone player and TBH I was waiting on the whistle blowing for it. Loved that side of our GAA and which drives me more and more to watch Hurling for that side of the game.
Duty of care Jim wittering on again about a football team having to play games, but alas no sign of these mystery hamstring injuries he was so keen to blame on the new rules
Lower training to game ratio really irking him, such that he's now invoked the poor people of Ireland line begorrah
You're a great coach and manager Jim get on with it, enjoy it and quit cribbing
Quote from: mackers on April 28, 2025, 11:11:10 AMQuote from: WT4E on April 28, 2025, 11:05:29 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 28, 2025, 10:32:34 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:26:45 PMOverall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!
on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.
Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.
I can definitely see that Tyrone suffered from some poor calls from Gough along with Armagh but I really can't see where the debate on the last free comes from.
It was a free for me, harte was charging in. If it happened to tyrone I would have been saying it was a free as well.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2025, 10:33:58 AMUlster games have been poor enough like you say. I don't think Donegal look world beaters yet and Armagh definitely not as good as last year. Murphy probably wasn't quite as prominent for Donegal (from what I saw) and lost the rag a bit. I think Donegal will edge the final though but I think Armagh would love to win ulster as it's been a long time too.
Armagh didn't look great after the Ulster semi-final last year, they stepped up markedly in the final, and shouldn't have let it go to penalties. They have played well in bursts this year, in order to advance they need to extend the proportion of the game that they play like that.
When was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2025, 11:24:39 AMWas it applied the same in any other games at the weekend though never mind a few weeks ago?
Wasn't even applied correctly at the weekend.
Was it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?
I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2025, 12:11:37 PMWas it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?
I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.
Thats my main issue with gough. You wont see any other ref apply the rules like him. Either he is 100% right and all other refs are wrong or he likes to pick a topic and fuss or it.
Point is players getting away with it or being pulled on it differently week on week.
I don't think you're far wrong there. Any other game I watched didn't seem to be as stringent on the steps - or even close really. It would be fine to clamp down on this if you do it across the board otherwise what's the point.
Some analysts, Paul Flynn in particular have been making the point that with all the advantages forwards have under the new rules, refs have to get stricter on technical fouls, particularly over-carrying. Maybe Gough is in agreement.
There was a particularly pivotal Meath score late in the game where the fella took an outrageous number of steps.
Refs/GAA kind of in a bit of a hole over it given it hasn't been policed effectively for 20+ years.
Quote from: illdecide on April 28, 2025, 11:26:33 AMFirstly...if anyone thinks the free at the end for Armagh was not a free then I think you're watching a different incident to me, nailed on foul.
Soupy was only brought on because Andy Murnin was hurt, I'm not 100% sure what is going on here and maybe there's an explanation for this but his running power, strength and scoring ability surely trumps any previous subs on before him?.
The games are getting more scores but the physicality is going fast and will soon be non contact sport, the art of a corner back or full back tackling is gone which is a shame, Armagh had one good hit yesterday and dispossessed a Tyrone player and TBH I was waiting on the whistle blowing for it. Loved that side of our GAA and which drives me more and more to watch Hurling for that side of the game.
Bit of a contradiction here!
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2025, 11:27:40 AMQuote from: mackers on April 28, 2025, 11:11:10 AMQuote from: WT4E on April 28, 2025, 11:05:29 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 28, 2025, 10:32:34 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:26:45 PMOverall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!
on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.
Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.
I can definitely see that Tyrone suffered from some poor calls from Gough along with Armagh but I really can't see where the debate on the last free comes from.
It was a free for me, harte was charging in. If it happened to tyrone I would have been saying it was a free as well.
Go watch Cathair O'Kanes post from the stand side angle.
I was certain it was a free and couldn't understand why the Tyrone players where so annoyed on camera. If you see the other angle Petey Harte is running over to tackle and as he is getting there Turbitt changes angle to create space and he clatters himself into Harte. Harte can do zero only stay where he is. No Free!
How to you work that out...Armagh player was fouled for winning score, no argument with that. I want to see more physical hits and legal tackles where a good hard shoulder is not a free kick (does not apply to above), I want to see near hand tackling and a bit of pressure put on the forward without a free kick awarded (again does not apply to above).
I can't see a contradiction there at all, more physical game surely but when a player has been fouled he's fouled and he gets his free
Quote from: WT4E on April 28, 2025, 01:04:35 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2025, 11:27:40 AMQuote from: mackers on April 28, 2025, 11:11:10 AMQuote from: WT4E on April 28, 2025, 11:05:29 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 28, 2025, 10:32:34 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:26:45 PMOverall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!
on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.
Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.
I can definitely see that Tyrone suffered from some poor calls from Gough along with Armagh but I really can't see where the debate on the last free comes from.
It was a free for me, harte was charging in. If it happened to tyrone I would have been saying it was a free as well.
Go watch Cathair O'Kanes post from the stand side angle.
I was certain it was a free and couldn't understand why the Tyrone players where so annoyed on camera. If you see the other angle Petey Harte is running over to tackle and as he is getting there Turbitt changes angle to create space and he clatters himself into Harte. Harte can do zero only stay where he is. No Free!
Cahair actually states in that post "Does look more of a foul from this side"
Quote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2025, 12:39:35 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2025, 12:11:37 PMWas it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?
I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.
Thats my main issue with gough. You wont see any other ref apply the rules like him. Either he is 100% right and all other refs are wrong or he likes to pick a topic and fuss or it.
Point is players getting away with it or being pulled on it differently week on week.
There was a directive about steps for that weekend and that was given to managers as far as I'm aware, seems Gough was teh only one that was hot on it..
I would be very much in favour of the new rules but should they not draw a line in the sand for changes...
Also there's a good few games have went on in the championship already so you are starting to apply different standards to different games.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2025, 02:03:12 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2025, 12:39:35 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2025, 12:11:37 PMWas it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?
I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.
Thats my main issue with gough. You wont see any other ref apply the rules like him. Either he is 100% right and all other refs are wrong or he likes to pick a topic and fuss or it.
Point is players getting away with it or being pulled on it differently week on week.
There was a directive about steps for that weekend and that was given to managers as far as I'm aware, seems Gough was teh only one that was hot on it..
Exactly my point, why weren't the other refs keen to implement it. They also clarified last week that any contact made to neck or head is a red card yet Murphy slapped a player in the jaw and got a yellow. No actual attempt at a tackle.
2 rules clarifed 2 days before football at the weekend but largely ignored by refs.
Quote from: illdecide on April 28, 2025, 11:26:33 AMFirstly...if anyone thinks the free at the end for Armagh was not a free then I think you're watching a different incident to me, nailed on foul.
Soupy was only brought on because Andy Murnin was hurt, I'm not 100% sure what is going on here and maybe there's an explanation for this but his running power, strength and scoring ability surely trumps any previous subs on before him?.
The games are getting more scores but the physicality is going fast and will soon be non contact sport, the art of a corner back or full back tackling is gone which is a shame, Armagh had one good hit yesterday and dispossessed a Tyrone player and TBH I was waiting on the whistle blowing for it. Loved that side of our GAA and which drives me more and more to watch Hurling for that side of the game.
It was a stonewall collision foul with no pretense to tackle, a straight forward decision for Gough to make and he won't shirk.
Quote from: illdecide on April 28, 2025, 11:26:33 AMFirstly...if anyone thinks the free at the end for Armagh was not a free then I think you're watching a different incident to me, nailed on foul.
Soupy was only brought on because Andy Murnin was hurt, I'm not 100% sure what is going on here and maybe there's an explanation for this but his running power, strength and scoring ability surely trumps any previous subs on before him?.
The games are getting more scores but the physicality is going fast and will soon be non contact sport, the art of a corner back or full back tackling is gone which is a shame, Armagh had one good hit yesterday and dispossessed a Tyrone player and TBH I was waiting on the whistle blowing for it. Loved that side of our GAA and which drives me more and more to watch Hurling for that side of the game.
There was hardly a single tackle made in the first half of last year's AI final.
The culture of risk averse football is going to take a while to resolve.
The common refereeing approach of "one on one, punish the defender for any challenge. Two on one, punish the forward for carrying it into contact", it's going to take a while to resolve too.
The 4-steps rule, if refereed with some vigour, will allow both of these to resolve more quickly.
For the more turnovers there are in a game, the less spotlight there will be on mistakes.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 02:46:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Incredible record but it's still a defeat
I'm not saying it was reffed perfectly all weekend but I definitely noticed an overcarrying call given in the Down Donegal game that wouldn't normally be given. I didn't watch all of the Dubs game so couldn't say anything about it really.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 02:46:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?
Don't worry they have recorded Derry's wonderful league victory last year, some achievement fair play.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 28, 2025, 03:12:20 PMDon't worry they have recorded Derry's wonderful league victory last year, some achievement fair play.
As they should. This boo hoo nonsense of 70 mins is juvenile stuff
Derry would love to be as hard to beat in 70 minutes football than the current mess they are in.
Need some help with this one...following on from the 4 step rule did the Ref's not always used to give the benefit to the player who was being tackled unfairly with a few extra steps? or did I just imagine that.
They used to give teams 1 point behind with time near up frees for phantom fouls too.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 03:24:06 PMDerry would love to be as hard to beat in 70 minutes football than the current mess they are in.
On the roundabout or the swings? 🤔
Quote from: illdecide on April 28, 2025, 03:46:11 PMNeed some help with this one...following on from the 4 step rule did the Ref's not always used to give the benefit to the player who was being tackled unfairly with a few extra steps? or did I just imagine that.
A ref can recount steps if he deems a player is getting fouled.
The steps issue isn't even being refereed consistently in games. Morgan got away with an egregious number of steps through the small square immediately before his yellow. Had consistency been applied that would have been a penalty and everyone would have been up in arms over the enforcement of the rule.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 03:03:40 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 02:46:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?
They have been recorded as draws.....as they should have been. We subsequently lost some of those on penalties which the records will also show. It's not hard. Don't worry.....nobody is looking to take the 2023 Ulster championship off yis. The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.
Quote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone in the group in 2023 and before that Donegal in Ulster 2022.
Not sure how many more we'll get back from last years team, McKay and Rian are longer term, who knows if we'll see them at all.
Of the other 7, Blaine and Connaire Mackin have lost their place. Not sure what the story is with Joe McElroy and TK, would have expected both to have played more by now. Forker and Turbo seem to have lost their place or aren't 100% fit or both, Grimley the same.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
They nearly always say in knockout football.
Quote from: mackers on April 28, 2025, 04:52:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 03:03:40 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 02:46:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?
They have been recorded as draws.....as they should have been. We subsequently lost some of those on penalties which the records will also show. It's not hard. Don't worry.....nobody is looking to take the 2023 Ulster championship off yis. The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.
Must have missed the replays.
Fixated?....just replying to Armagh folk who always bring it up....because you say it it's true, are we living in Trumpland?
Quote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2025, 04:55:58 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone in the group in 2023 and before that Donegal in Ulster 2022.
Not sure how many more we'll get back from last years team, McKay and Rian are longer term, who knows if we'll see them at all.
Of the other 7, Blaine and Connaire Mackin have lost their place. Not sure what the story is with Joe McElroy and TK, would have expected both to have played more by now. Forker and Turbo seem to have lost their place or aren't 100% fit or both, Grimley the same.
TK and Grimley not 100% as I understand. Joe out again injured and wasn't togged for Saturday. Soupy supposedly carrying a knock too.
Quote from: David McKeown on April 28, 2025, 06:32:27 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on April 28, 2025, 04:55:58 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone in the group in 2023 and before that Donegal in Ulster 2022.
Not sure how many more we'll get back from last years team, McKay and Rian are longer term, who knows if we'll see them at all.
Of the other 7, Blaine and Connaire Mackin have lost their place. Not sure what the story is with Joe McElroy and TK, would have expected both to have played more by now. Forker and Turbo seem to have lost their place or aren't 100% fit or both, Grimley the same.
TK and Grimley not 100% as I understand. Joe out again injured and wasn't togged for Saturday. Soupy supposedly carrying a knock too.
Thought it strange that Soupy wasn't brought in earlier but f**k me what an impact he had. Surprising that Grimley was in the 26 but didnt see game time. Squad depth is being seriously tested but the likes of McCormack and O'Neill are playing well enough that we're not seeing a drop off. Is Joe long term? Assume Ciaran Mackin got bad news as well.
Quote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2025, 04:06:28 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 28, 2025, 03:46:11 PMNeed some help with this one...following on from the 4 step rule did the Ref's not always used to give the benefit to the player who was being tackled unfairly with a few extra steps? or did I just imagine that.
A ref can recount steps if he deems a player is getting fouled.
Back in the day, before we had the advantage rule, there was an unofficial rule of allowing a player to take a couple of extra steps when he was being 'fouled' just to see if he could break free and move the game on without a break, it was called the slow whistle...
But that was to be binned (even though it wasn't real) when the advantage rule came out, but it seems for most parts that we now have a hybrid rule where advantage is called and we still 'allow' those extra steps to break the challenge lol..
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 05:49:47 PMQuote from: mackers on April 28, 2025, 04:52:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 03:03:40 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 02:46:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?
They have been recorded as draws.....as they should have been. We subsequently lost some of those on penalties which the records will also show. It's not hard. Don't worry.....nobody is looking to take the 2023 Ulster championship off yis. The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.
Must have missed the replays.
Fixated?....just replying to Armagh folk who always bring it up....because you say it it's true, are we living in Trumpland?
Why would there be replays when the matches were finish on the day so went to extra time and penalties?
You're just being a bo**ocks now so I'm not getting drawn into this any further.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2025, 08:41:30 PMQuote from: Blowitupref on April 28, 2025, 04:06:28 PMQuote from: illdecide on April 28, 2025, 03:46:11 PMNeed some help with this one...following on from the 4 step rule did the Ref's not always used to give the benefit to the player who was being tackled unfairly with a few extra steps? or did I just imagine that.
A ref can recount steps if he deems a player is getting fouled.
Back in the day, before we had the advantage rule, there was an unofficial rule of allowing a player to take a couple of extra steps when he was being 'fouled' just to see if he could break free and move the game on without a break, it was called the slow whistle...
But that was to be binned (even though it wasn't real) when the advantage rule came out, but it seems for most parts that we now have a hybrid rule where advantage is called and we still 'allow' those extra steps to break the challenge lol..
Wasn't there mention of changing from steps to seconds? Would that be easier to police?
In my limited refereeing experience I quickly realised that I wasn't even sure what a step is never mind trying to count them - that said, I did well on the technical fouls, it was my interpretation of the tackle that had the sidelines up in arms!
Alot handier at 6 steps instead of 4.
I'd prefer counting time over steps if I'm being honest
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 05:49:47 PMQuote from: mackers on April 28, 2025, 04:52:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 03:03:40 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 02:46:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?
They have been recorded as draws.....as they should have been. We subsequently lost some of those on penalties which the records will also show. It's not hard. Don't worry.....nobody is looking to take the 2023 Ulster championship off yis. The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.
Must have missed the replays.
Fixated?....just replying to Armagh folk who always bring it up....because you say it it's true, are we living in Trumpland?
Don't worry no chance they'll be bringing up and Derry unbeaten facts soon, at this stage every half decent team in the country has tanked them.
Quote from: flowerpot on April 29, 2025, 09:20:12 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 05:49:47 PMQuote from: mackers on April 28, 2025, 04:52:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 03:03:40 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 02:46:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?
They have been recorded as draws.....as they should have been. We subsequently lost some of those on penalties which the records will also show. It's not hard. Don't worry.....nobody is looking to take the 2023 Ulster championship off yis. The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.
Must have missed the replays.
Fixated?....just replying to Armagh folk who always bring it up....because you say it it's true, are we living in Trumpland?
Don't worry no chance they'll be bringing up and Derry unbeaten facts soon, at this stage every half decent team in the country has tanked them.
Phones not banned in the class room?
Quote from: JoG2 on April 29, 2025, 09:59:26 AMQuote from: flowerpot on April 29, 2025, 09:20:12 AMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 05:49:47 PMQuote from: mackers on April 28, 2025, 04:52:08 PMQuote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 03:03:40 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 02:46:20 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on April 28, 2025, 12:18:25 PMQuote from: balladmaker on April 28, 2025, 11:58:21 AMWhen was the last time Armagh were beaten in Championship football that didn't involve penalties?
It's concerning how long it's taking to get a few of the All Ireland winning team back in the fold, or maybe it's a case that they're timing their run, I hope for the latter. Some excellent additions to the setup including Callum O'Neill, McMullan and McCormack.
As against Tyrone, Armagh seem to find a way to let the opponents back into it in the second half, although Gough did give a hand in that effort on Saturday.
Donegal are rightly favourites for Ulster.
Tyrone beat Armagh in the Group Stages in 2023.
A game that most pundits seem to forget about.
Dont know how many times i've seen pundits say Armagh have been unbeaten since 2022 v Donegal in Ulster when Tyrone beat them the year after.
Only defeat in 70 minutes since 2022 and Armagh played half of that game against Tyrone with 14 men.
Then how come the record books have not recorded these Armagh victories?
They have been recorded as draws.....as they should have been. We subsequently lost some of those on penalties which the records will also show. It's not hard. Don't worry.....nobody is looking to take the 2023 Ulster championship off yis. The main people that are fixated with this MEDIA commentary are Derry people.
Must have missed the replays.
Fixated?....just replying to Armagh folk who always bring it up....because you say it it's true, are we living in Trumpland?
Don't worry no chance they'll be bringing up and Derry unbeaten facts soon, at this stage every half decent team in the country has tanked them.
Phones not banned in the class room?
Nice of you to describe Armagh as the class room and not the classroom.
I believe you may have unintentionally gotten it spot on.
Quote from: WT4E on April 28, 2025, 11:05:29 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on April 28, 2025, 10:32:34 AMQuote from: screenexile on April 26, 2025, 06:26:45 PMOverall I think Armagh were the better team but not much in it!
on balance deserved the win. Gough was poor, made a mistake with Rafferty then gifted Tyrone a few consolation frees.No one will want Tyrone in the qualifiers.
Anyone see the angle of last free from Gerry Arthurs stand? Harte has hands up and running towards Turbitt, Turbitt checks his run into Harte. I've changed my mind - No Free.
Harte doesn't bring him down then Turbo scores so free for me.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2025, 02:03:12 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2025, 12:39:35 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2025, 12:11:37 PMWas it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?
I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.
Thats my main issue with gough. You wont see any other ref apply the rules like him. Either he is 100% right and all other refs are wrong or he likes to pick a topic and fuss or it.
Point is players getting away with it or being pulled on it differently week on week.
There was a directive about steps for that weekend and that was given to managers as far as I'm aware, seems Gough was teh only one that was hot on it..
He was certainly giving them less than 4, how do you count steps when reffing? right or wrong I used to count to 4 and then give them 1 more before blowing.
Quote from: JoG2 on April 28, 2025, 04:03:38 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 28, 2025, 03:24:06 PMDerry would love to be as hard to beat in 70 minutes football than the current mess they are in.
On the roundabout or the swings? 🤔
For Derry? A roundabout as if not careful could find yourself back in division 4. :o
Andrew Murnin looked like he picked up a hamstring injury. Will be be ready for the final?
Quote from: Applesisapples on April 29, 2025, 02:12:15 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on April 28, 2025, 02:03:12 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 28, 2025, 12:39:35 PMQuote from: imtommygunn on April 28, 2025, 12:11:37 PMWas it applied consistently though (correctly or incorrectly)?
I watched a right bit of it and I don't think any game was reffed like armagh tyrone with steps.
Thats my main issue with gough. You wont see any other ref apply the rules like him. Either he is 100% right and all other refs are wrong or he likes to pick a topic and fuss or it.
Point is players getting away with it or being pulled on it differently week on week.
There was a directive about steps for that weekend and that was given to managers as far as I'm aware, seems Gough was teh only one that was hot on it..
He was certainly giving them less than 4, how do you count steps when reffing? right or wrong I used to count to 4 and then give them 1 more before blowing.
I'm generous, but I'm generous to both so it's ok
Morgans steps not count, thought he was in a hundred metre sprint at one stage,with a ball.
Hi folks,
Am going be on holidays for next weeks final. Will I be able watch it on GAA plus?
Quote from: Armagh_Ball on May 04, 2025, 10:41:55 PMHi folks,
Am going be on holidays for next weeks final. Will I be able watch it on GAA plus?
I watched Armagh Derry game on gaago last year in Spain so should work
For some folks visiting Derry next weekend, where is a decent spot to watch the final in the city centre?
Ulster final will be a pure lottery with Brendan Cawley in charge of it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 05, 2025, 01:48:43 PMUlster final will be a pure lottery with Brendan Cawley in charge of it.
Sweet jayus who appoints these lads? Like Neelan yesterday loses control of games.
Armagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Are seats assigned in McGrane, or a free-for-all? While tickets have #s, is it policed?
Quote from: 5times5times on May 06, 2025, 04:15:44 PMAre seats assigned in McGrane, or a free-for-all? While tickets have #s, is it policed?
Assigned yes. General rule of thumb is if you've been to loads of games you'll be sitting on the edges, if this is your first game of the year you'll be in the middle
Quote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
From the games I've watched Donegal they looked to have been holding back, timing things and even though some of the games could have blown up in their faces I think they would still have had enough to turbo charge through and get the result, they have managed players throughout the year also..
The longer injuries are a question mark, but every team has them and they can only ply with their first 15 on the field that day, sure Armagh have only played with 5 players from their winning all Ireland team and none from the Ulster championship winning team of 2008 ;)
What are the actual benefits of winning the provincials? That would be my thinking, this is tournament football, peaking and getting a decent route to the finishing line would be the motivation, winning Sam over the Ulster Championship is the goal and Armagh will want that as will Donegal also..
This will be a cagy affair, might not be pretty
Didnt take long for the strength in depth situation to become a stick to beat Armagh with - eventho Donegal & Galway have equally deep squads. Let's Hope we get our preferred first 15 out this weekend anyway as we'll need them.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 06, 2025, 07:38:32 PMDidnt take long for the strength in depth situation to become a stick to beat Armagh with - eventho Donegal & Galway have equally deep squads. Let's Hope we get our preferred first 15 out this weekend anyway as we'll need them.
We're decimated at the minute. Galway are obviously missing their 2 main threats but we're obviously missing loads as well.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2025, 09:09:41 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 06, 2025, 07:38:32 PMDidnt take long for the strength in depth situation to become a stick to beat Armagh with - eventho Donegal & Galway have equally deep squads. Let's Hope we get our preferred first 15 out this weekend anyway as we'll need them.
We're decimated at the minute. Galway are obviously missing their 2 main threats but we're obviously missing loads as well.
Jesus.. you may bring your boots lad!
Teams in any sport rarely have their top players all playing, injuries happen, form drops, players unavailable
Be it Galway Dublin Donegal Tyrone and Armagh you've got the panel and that is down to how that panel is coached/trained and set up.
So the selection for the manager is purely down that, pretty bored with the who's not playing tactic by any manager or supporters.
For the Ulster final it'll be a slip up, misplaced pass, a dodgy call, and sending off that'll decide this game as they are very close.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2025, 09:09:41 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 06, 2025, 07:38:32 PMDidnt take long for the strength in depth situation to become a stick to beat Armagh with - eventho Donegal & Galway have equally deep squads. Let's Hope we get our preferred first 15 out this weekend anyway as we'll need them.
We're decimated at the minute. Galway are obviously missing their 2 main threats but we're obviously missing loads as well.
All year been hearing about Armagh's massive strength in depth, now in close game the excuses are starting lol.
The timing of the charge with sexual assault is unfortunate for Armaghs prep I'd say..
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 07, 2025, 07:04:00 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 06, 2025, 09:09:41 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 06, 2025, 07:38:32 PMDidnt take long for the strength in depth situation to become a stick to beat Armagh with - eventho Donegal & Galway have equally deep squads. Let's Hope we get our preferred first 15 out this weekend anyway as we'll need them.
We're decimated at the minute. Galway are obviously missing their 2 main threats but we're obviously missing loads as well.
All year been hearing about Armagh's massive strength in depth, now in close game the excuses are starting lol.
Lol indeed, from a vanquished team who were beat by a half a team.
Who's all currently missing that would automatically return into the starting team?
Forker, Grimley, McElroy,Tiernan Kelly, Aaron McKay, Connaire Mackin, Turbitt & R'ON off the top my head
Crealey just back as well.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2025, 07:30:39 AMThe timing of the charge with sexual assault is unfortunate for Armaghs prep I'd say..
Given the online outrage there was about the RG accusations 2 days before an Ulster final with Armagh, the response to this seems muted in comparison for what ever reason.
So maybe it won't have as much impact as you would think it should do.
I get that this is an active case and we shouldn't make any comments on the guilt/innocence of either party, I just find it baffling that the outrage against RG accusations does not seem to be replicated in this case when you consider RG was never charged but Nugent has been.
I guess we'll see over the passage of time what affect this has on the Armagh team.
Only comment I'd make on the case is if the guy is innocent, its a brutal ordeal to put him through with his name in the public domain. On the flip side, if he's guilty, he should have the book thrown at him.
But I digress - I still think Donegal will have a bit too much for Armagh. There won't be a lot in it, but in terms of form and available players, Donegal seem to have the edge right now.
Armagh seem to have an injury list to rival Derry's at the minute, so that will effect the depth of any squad.
The main difference between RG and Nugent is that RG was the manager. Nugent is gone, so what more can Armagh do. It took RG a few days to step down, I think the Friday before the final he was still the manager and that's when the media pressure went through the roof.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2025, 07:30:39 AMThe timing of the charge with sexual assault is unfortunate for Armaghs prep I'd say..
The player in question hasn't been with the panel all year, so shouldn't affect Armagh's preparation.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2025, 09:54:15 AMForker, Grimley, McElroy,Tiernan Kelly, Aaron McKay, Connaire Mackin, Turbitt & R'ON off the top my head
I would say that Mackin has been surpassed by the like of McCabe, McQuillan, Callum O'Neill in the pecking order at this stage.
Conor O'Neill would be an understated loss, would have expected him to be back by this stage was starting and playing well prior to injury.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 07, 2025, 10:14:53 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 07, 2025, 07:30:39 AMThe timing of the charge with sexual assault is unfortunate for Armaghs prep I'd say..
Given the online outrage there was about the RG accusations 2 days before an Ulster final with Armagh, the response to this seems muted in comparison for what ever reason.
So maybe it won't have as much impact as you would think it should do.
I get that this is an active case and we shouldn't make any comments on the guilt/innocence of either party, I just find it baffling that the outrage against RG accusations does not seem to be replicated in this case when you consider RG was never charged but Nugent has been.
I guess we'll see over the passage of time what affect this has on the Armagh team.
Only comment I'd make on the case is if the guy is innocent, its a brutal ordeal to put him through with his name in the public domain. On the flip side, if he's guilty, he should have the book thrown at him.
But I digress - I still think Donegal will have a bit too much for Armagh. There won't be a lot in it, but in terms of form and available players, Donegal seem to have the edge right now.
Armagh seem to have an injury list to rival Derry's at the minute, so that will effect the depth of any squad.
The timing of the RG issue was the week of the Ulster final which was unfortunate for Derry and they did really well to focus and get over the line.
The current situation with AN would have caused a massive stir in the media/online if it had only came out this week and he was still with the panel. There was certainly alot of debate in relation to AN back in November and would have no doubt caused a big stir had the Ulster final been in November, as there would have been calls to remove him from the panel and more of a spotlight on Armaghs preparation.
The RG issue was an issue for a longer period due to Derry Co Board struggling to know what was the best thing to do and not being very forthcoming in if they were going to release him from his role or support him. (A extremely difficult situation for them to deal with). Where as AN was removed from panel immediately more or less and he is now viewed as former Armagh player.
Probably been asked before , but what's the thinking behind a Saturday 5pm throw in for an Ulster final?
Why isn't it on the Sunday?
I wouldn't fancy getting out of those windy Clones back roads in the dark , if it went to ET or penalties
It is in some way related to the Armagh ladies match and it's timing the next day (apparently). I'm not sure how mind you...
It isn't a great time alright.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2025, 09:45:34 AMWho's all currently missing that would automatically return into the starting team?
Rian, McKay, McElroy. Would have said Niall Grimley but Callum O'Neill has been excellent. TK would be ahead of McCabe at 6 for me and Turbo gets his place as well if fit.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2025, 09:54:15 AMForker, Grimley, McElroy,Tiernan Kelly, Aaron McKay, Connaire Mackin, Turbitt & R'ON off the top my head
Who would they be replacing ?
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 07, 2025, 12:17:00 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2025, 09:54:15 AMForker, Grimley, McElroy,Tiernan Kelly, Aaron McKay, Connaire Mackin, Turbitt & R'ON off the top my head
Who would they be replacing ?
Forker and Mackin wouldn't start for me tbh. McKay is nailed on at 3 if fit and McCambridge moves to wing back. Kelly for McCabe. Rian and Joe in for McMullan and McGrane in the half forward line. Would have said Grimley into midfield for O'Neill but he had been brilliant. Turbo gets in at corner forward.
Quote from: Mario on May 07, 2025, 11:13:21 AMThe main difference between RG and Nugent is that RG was the manager. Nugent is gone, so what more can Armagh do. It took RG a few days to step down, I think the Friday before the final he was still the manager and that's when the media pressure went through the roof.
I'm not really talking about Armagh and what they should do, I'm more talking about the vocal public opinion that RG was/is guilty even though he was never charged. Whereas in this case, there's not that same level of condemnation for this guy even through he's now charged and has a court case pending.
The Paddy Jackson trial is a more direct comparison to this one and it was massive news, again with loads of people finding him guilty in the court of popular opinion.
Maybe it's too early in this case, but it seems really strange that the response to this one is so muted.
I'm not saying it should be different by the way, imo, due process should be allowed to take its course and shouldn't be influenced by the facebook warriors. I'm just surprised this one hasn't been jumped on in the same way as RG or Paddy Jackson.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 07, 2025, 12:48:03 PMQuote from: Mario on May 07, 2025, 11:13:21 AMThe main difference between RG and Nugent is that RG was the manager. Nugent is gone, so what more can Armagh do. It took RG a few days to step down, I think the Friday before the final he was still the manager and that's when the media pressure went through the roof.
I'm not really talking about Armagh and what they should do, I'm more talking about the vocal public opinion that RG was/is guilty even though he was never charged. Whereas in this case, there's not that same level of condemnation for this guy even through he's now charged and has a court case pending.
The Paddy Jackson trial is a more direct comparison to this one and it was massive news, again with loads of people finding him guilty in the court of popular opinion.
Maybe it's too early in this case, but it seems really strange that the response to this one is so muted.
I'm not saying it should be different by the way, imo, due process should be allowed to take its course and shouldn't be influenced by the facebook warriors. I'm just surprised this one hasn't been jumped on in the same way as RG or Paddy Jackson.
People are fickle
The ladies final is the curtain raiser for the men's final on Saturday. I would say the Leinster final pushed this to the Saturday also given the surge in interest in it.
In terms of depth, Armagh are reaching into theirs for their first 15. The way the game is, is the ones coming off the bench closing the games out. I'm not sure who they will have available to call on off the bench now.
As mentioned before, these two teams seem to be operating at a fairly similar level, so small mistakes may settle the game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 12:11:19 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2025, 09:45:34 AMWho's all currently missing that would automatically return into the starting team?
Rian, McKay, McElroy. Would have said Niall Grimley but Callum O'Neill has been excellent. TK would be ahead of McCabe at 6 for me and Turbo gets his place as well if fit.
Is Rian not still of the panel?
Quote from: tiempo on May 07, 2025, 12:51:45 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 07, 2025, 12:48:03 PMQuote from: Mario on May 07, 2025, 11:13:21 AMThe main difference between RG and Nugent is that RG was the manager. Nugent is gone, so what more can Armagh do. It took RG a few days to step down, I think the Friday before the final he was still the manager and that's when the media pressure went through the roof.
I'm not really talking about Armagh and what they should do, I'm more talking about the vocal public opinion that RG was/is guilty even though he was never charged. Whereas in this case, there's not that same level of condemnation for this guy even through he's now charged and has a court case pending.
The Paddy Jackson trial is a more direct comparison to this one and it was massive news, again with loads of people finding him guilty in the court of popular opinion.
Maybe it's too early in this case, but it seems really strange that the response to this one is so muted.
I'm not saying it should be different by the way, imo, due process should be allowed to take its course and shouldn't be influenced by the facebook warriors. I'm just surprised this one hasn't been jumped on in the same way as RG or Paddy Jackson.
People are fickle
And the artists Kneecap, the art of kneecapping and the Bobby Sands statue all taking up big Stevie's time... He'll get to this soon enough I'd have thought
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2025, 12:54:15 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 12:11:19 PMQuote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2025, 09:45:34 AMWho's all currently missing that would automatically return into the starting team?
Rian, McKay, McElroy. Would have said Niall Grimley but Callum O'Neill has been excellent. TK would be ahead of McCabe at 6 for me and Turbo gets his place as well if fit.
Is Rian not still of the panel?
Well you said who's currently missing that would start, he's off the panel at the minute with personal stuff going on but hopefully we see him at some stage.
I kinda meant injured players who could return not players that aren't in the squad. Rian unlikely to be back this year so I think it's a case of making your peace with that.
Reason I ask is that I seen someone mentioning 8-9 missing. But to me there's prob 3 that would actually come back in if fit. The rest are much of a muchness for what's currently there. Which does show the squad depth tbf as there's been able replacements step up.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 07, 2025, 05:34:23 PMI kinda meant injured players who could return not players that aren't in the squad. Rian unlikely to be back this year so I think it's a case of making your peace with that.
Reason I ask is that I seen someone mentioning 8-9 missing. But to me there's prob 3 that would actually come back in if fit. The rest are much of a muchness for what's currently there. Which does show the squad depth tbf as there's been able replacements step up.
Yeah fair enough. Think Murnin, Grugan, Soupy, Conaty Crealey, Rian, McKay and possibly Turbo probably the hardest players to replace in terms of ability and what they bring to the team. McCormack, McQuillan, Callum and Oisin O'Neill have been really impressive in terms of lads who weren't starting last year, think McMullen has done rightly as well. Obviously Blaine has lost his place to Rafferty at this stage so although he is one of the starters from last years final he doesn't look like getting a place at the minute.
Quote from: J70 on May 06, 2025, 05:35:16 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
Alexa, show me a glass half empty post.
Quote from: J70 on May 06, 2025, 05:35:16 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
You forgot about that other ugly possibility... if it goes to penalties I'm heading home lol
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 10:14:32 PMQuote from: J70 on May 06, 2025, 05:35:16 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
You forgot about that other ugly possibility... if it goes to penalties I'm heading home lol
Gotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
Rumours Rian O'Neill back for Armagh - I presume these are false?
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 08, 2025, 10:11:20 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 10:14:32 PMQuote from: J70 on May 06, 2025, 05:35:16 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
You forgot about that other ugly possibility... if it goes to penalties I'm heading home lol
Gotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
Not sure you would feel the same if you lost one!
Gotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
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Too subjective. It doesn't matter if the individual fan thinks it's dramatic or boring because every fan has an opinion and they often disagree. What matters is that it is unfair to put the players in such a pressure situation. Especially when it's basically a coin toss.
What's worse is that it's basically authority saying: "the championship isn't important enough to merit a replay". In other words: "hurry up and get it over and done with!"
That's embarrassing. Why not abolish the provincial championships, rather than the GAA pretending they still matter?
Or abolish penalty kickouts, go back to the replay format for all championship games and MAKE TIME for them.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 08, 2025, 11:31:40 AMRumours Rian O'Neill back for Armagh - I presume these are false?
Back training last 2 weeks. If he plays that's another story.
Everyone's heard it - personal trainer for last 6 weeks etc etc etc, seriously doubt he will play any role on Saturday.
Had heard the Rian news a few times myself, was wondering if it was to keep him involved for his wellbeing more than anything else. Hard to see him involved before mid Group stage - if a return to football is part of the immediate plan.
The worst part about the shootouts is the stupid "we have to be at least slightly different to soccer" rule that means sudden death brings up the same players again.
I can't remember which game it was, but that poor Armagh lad who missed twice. It's ridiculous sending a lad who missed up again in that high pressure situation.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 08, 2025, 10:11:20 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 10:14:32 PMQuote from: J70 on May 06, 2025, 05:35:16 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
You forgot about that other ugly possibility... if it goes to penalties I'm heading home lol
Gotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
Had enough of them at this stage lol
Quote from: Armamike on May 08, 2025, 11:32:58 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 08, 2025, 10:11:20 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 10:14:32 PMQuote from: J70 on May 06, 2025, 05:35:16 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
You forgot about that other ugly possibility... if it goes to penalties I'm heading home lol
Gotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
Not sure you would feel the same if you lost one!
Maybe so, and given Derry's recent Goalkeeper crisis we would be likely to as well.
But even as a neutral, I love them.
Real drama and edge of seat stuff.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 08, 2025, 10:11:20 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 10:14:32 PMQuote from: J70 on May 06, 2025, 05:35:16 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
You forgot about that other ugly possibility... if it goes to penalties I'm heading home lol
Gotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
I'll never warm to them regardless of the sport. I watched Inter Milan v Barcelona and after two games and 12 goals it was finally settled with one further goal in extra time a far more satisfactory finish IMO.
For the Ulster final to go a penalty shoot-out for 3rd year in a row you can get odds of 40/1.
Quote from: EoinW on May 08, 2025, 11:49:03 AMGotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
Too subjective. It doesn't matter if the individual fan thinks it's dramatic or boring because every fan has an opinion and they often disagree.
What matters is that it is unfair to put the players in such a pressure situation. Especially when it's basically a coin toss.
What's worse is that it's basically authority saying: "the championship isn't important enough to merit a replay". In other words: "hurry up and get it over and done with!"
That's embarrassing. Why not abolish the provincial championships, rather than the GAA pretending they still matter?
Or abolish penalty kickouts, go back to the replay format for all championship games and MAKE TIME for them.
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Perhaps the bit in bold is just an opinion and doesn't matter?
All any of us have are opinions, doesn't mean they don't matter. I'd argue the penalties give the underdog the chance and I'm all for that. How many times before penalties did we see an underdog get a draw and then get hammered in the replay?
At least penalties give both teams the same chance on a given day - and saves the fans from forking out a 2nd time for a replay.
AND....they are entertaining. Something a lot of focus was given to with the new rules!
Provincial championships are a chance for teams to win a localised championship against their neighbours. That's what its all about.
Once the provinces are finished, there are only at best 1/4 of teams in with any chance of winning the AI. So there is a real desire to win the province and a more realistic chance too. Why would you take that away from the majority of counties?
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 08, 2025, 01:48:43 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 08, 2025, 10:11:20 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 10:14:32 PMQuote from: J70 on May 06, 2025, 05:35:16 PMQuote from: illdecide on May 06, 2025, 03:51:54 PMArmagh 7/5 (8/1 Draw) Donegal 8/11
Donegal favourites for this game and rightly so with Armagh's injury problems. Jimmy's winning matches should continue if the Bookies are correct.
Not sure how Donegal would be favourites given both teams' performances so far. Plus, are Armagh not renowned for their strong squad? Donegal have been down two starters, Eoghan Ban and McGonigle (not sure if either will make this), while Gallen is just getting back to fitness and form.
Other issue then is motivation. You'd have to think Armagh would be desperate to win this after losing the past two finals on basically a coin toss, having twice squandered a strong lead against us last year, and not having an Ulster title since 2008.
To me, three possibilities - tight win for either, or Armagh overpowering us.
You forgot about that other ugly possibility... if it goes to penalties I'm heading home lol
Gotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
I'll never warm to them regardless of the sport. I watched Inter Milan v Barcelona and after two games and 12 goals it was finally settled with one further goal in extra time a far more satisfactory finish IMO.
For the Ulster final to go a penalty shoot-out for 3rd year in a row you can get odds of 40/1.
Worth sticking a fiver on that.
Penalties should be scrapped and replaced with the American Football style concept of each team getting a chance to score. If they both do, then it's next score wins. Could even be made that a goal instantly wins it even if it is the first score.
My club at home say they probably won't have enough tickets for everyone, at least for seating. Is that the case all over? Should be near enough a sell out if so.
Quote from: J70 on May 08, 2025, 05:11:40 PMMy club at home say they probably won't have enough tickets for everyone, at least for seating. Is that the case all over? Should be near enough a sell out if so.
Most clubs I know of wont even be able to have enough tickets for everyone for standing, seats seem to be like gold dust. Seen posts of clubs not even having half the tickets people have asked for.
Standing is just the town end these days, right?
Or is the top of the hill stilling standing?
It's been a while...
Quote from: J70 on May 08, 2025, 05:33:58 PMStanding is just the town end these days, right?
Or is the top of the hill stilling standing?
It's been a while...
Hill is standing.
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 08, 2025, 11:31:40 AMRumours Rian O'Neill back for Armagh - I presume these are false?
Starting in goals
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 08, 2025, 06:26:46 PMQuote from: J70 on May 08, 2025, 05:33:58 PMStanding is just the town end these days, right?
Or is the top of the hill stilling standing?
It's been a while...
Hill is standing.
O'Duffy is standing also.
https://x.com/Armagh_GAA/status/1920581522098127349?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1920581522098127349%7Ctwgr%5E8f263ce724770f1ae406d3dde7cedaac524b6eb8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthesidelineeye.com%2F2025%2F05%2F08%2Farmagh-team-named-for-donegal-date-2%2F
McCormack very unlucky to miss out if Armagh team plays as selected.
Quote from: J70 on May 08, 2025, 05:11:40 PMMy club at home say they probably won't have enough tickets for everyone, at least for seating. Is that the case all over? Should be near enough a sell out if so.
Donegal clubs might get close to meeting demand, Armagh clubs will not be able to cater for members. It will be a sell out, the modern capacity is not that high, the weather is decent and last year's game was certainly entertaining with a long encore.
Quote from: smelmoth on May 08, 2025, 07:05:57 PMQuote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 08, 2025, 11:31:40 AMRumours Rian O'Neill back for Armagh - I presume these are false?
Starting in goals
Perhaps not such a bad idea https://x.com/officialgaa/status/1649850540086501377
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GqdGscoWsAAGSK2?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Quote from: statto on May 08, 2025, 10:09:37 PMMcCormack very unlucky to miss out if Armagh team plays as selected.
Yeah did nothing wrong.
Quote from: flowerpot on May 08, 2025, 10:17:36 PMQuote from: statto on May 08, 2025, 10:09:37 PMMcCormack very unlucky to miss out if Armagh team plays as selected.
Yeah did nothing wrong.
Hurt his back the last day after carrying Canavan around Clones in his pocket.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 12:42:26 PMQuote from: Jim Bob on May 07, 2025, 12:17:00 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2025, 09:54:15 AMForker, Grimley, McElroy,Tiernan Kelly, Aaron McKay, Connaire Mackin, Turbitt & R'ON off the top my head
Who would they be replacing ?
Forker and Mackin wouldn't start for me tbh. McKay is nailed on at 3 if fit and McCambridge moves to wing back. Kelly for McCabe. Rian and Joe in for McMullan and McGrane in the half forward line. Would have said Grimley into midfield for O'Neill but he had been brilliant. Turbo gets in at corner forward.
Well how did you get on with your team predictions?
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 08, 2025, 11:27:46 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 07, 2025, 12:42:26 PMQuote from: Jim Bob on May 07, 2025, 12:17:00 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 07, 2025, 09:54:15 AMForker, Grimley, McElroy,Tiernan Kelly, Aaron McKay, Connaire Mackin, Turbitt & R'ON off the top my head
Who would they be replacing ?
Forker and Mackin wouldn't start for me tbh. McKay is nailed on at 3 if fit and McCambridge moves to wing back. Kelly for McCabe. Rian and Joe in for McMullan and McGrane in the half forward line. Would have said Grimley into midfield for O'Neill but he had been brilliant. Turbo gets in at corner forward.
Well how did you get on with your team predictions?
Wasn't a prediction was the team I'd pick.
From the team thats named I probably would have predicted McCormack to keep his place, could be change there yet.
Interesting Armagh team announced. No Forker again which is strange.
Quote from: ck on May 09, 2025, 08:29:25 AMInteresting Armagh team announced. No Forker again which is strange.
He hasn't the legs for it from what I've seen to be brutally honest. Could probably still do a job on Murphy but maybe isn't trusted discipline wise. Will be a change or 2 before Saturday
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 08, 2025, 01:56:51 PMQuote from: EoinW on May 08, 2025, 11:49:03 AMGotta love the drama of a penalty shootout!
I might be in the minority, but I love them.
Too subjective. It doesn't matter if the individual fan thinks it's dramatic or boring because every fan has an opinion and they often disagree. What matters is that it is unfair to put the players in such a pressure situation. Especially when it's basically a coin toss.
What's worse is that it's basically authority saying: "the championship isn't important enough to merit a replay". In other words: "hurry up and get it over and done with!"
That's embarrassing. Why not abolish the provincial championships, rather than the GAA pretending they still matter?
Or abolish penalty kickouts, go back to the replay format for all championship games and MAKE TIME for them.
Perhaps the bit in bold is just an opinion and doesn't matter?
All any of us have are opinions, doesn't mean they don't matter. I'd argue the penalties give the underdog the chance and I'm all for that. How many times before penalties did we see an underdog get a draw and then get hammered in the replay?
At least penalties give both teams the same chance on a given day - and saves the fans from forking out a 2nd time for a replay.
AND....they are entertaining. Something a lot of focus was given to with the new rules!
Provincial championships are a chance for teams to win a localised championship against their neighbours. That's what its all about.
Once the provinces are finished, there are only at best 1/4 of teams in with any chance of winning the AI. So there is a real desire to win the province and a more realistic chance too. Why would you take that away from the majority of counties?
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Don't be disingenuous. You knew what I meant by "opinions" don't distort my meaning. Sport competitions must be run objectively. You require more than "I like it" to change anything.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the point of the provincial championships to determine the best county in the province? It's not about the underdog nor being entertaining. There will always be underdogs rightfully earning an upset victory and if it isn't entertaining than you're not a Gaelic football fan.
The generation gap astounds me as young people don't care about the traditions and would toss them all into the bin rather than risk being bored for one moment. Entertain me or else!
I guess it's time to find the GAA version of Pete Rozell to legislate parity. Every Dublin v Kilkenny football match must be a toss up. Otherwise the fans will be bored. So lets turn it into a lottery - like so many professional sports - and make the honour of winning a province or All Ireland meaningless.
Credit to the GAA for maintaining its amateur code and strict residency rules. It's rare to see such principles in 21st century sport. That's why the penalty kicks are such a disappointment. They cheapen the GAA's own high standard.
Most have probably seen the below on social media, ill share anyway...
https://clones.gaa.ie/2025/05/08/ulster-final-parking-arrangements/
Quote from: FarneyMan on May 09, 2025, 12:07:57 PMMost have probably seen the below on social media, ill share anyway...
https://clones.gaa.ie/2025/05/08/ulster-final-parking-arrangements/
At least in this dry weather you can get in and out of the boggy fields easily enough.
Well we can't ask for better than today's weather, Clones will look resplendent. I remember getting some serious roastings from the sun in Clones before sunscreen was as common. You could tell where everyone stood at the game going by the side of their face that was burnt, don't forget the sunscreen. Hopefully we don't have penalties for the 3rd year running, and may the best team win ;) Up Armagh!!
Rian with the team
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 03:59:45 PMRian with the team
If he gets back on board at his best changes everything. Huge player as important to Armagh as Shane O'Donnell to Clare, also has returned.
Good to see it, you want the very best out there.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 04:13:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 03:59:45 PMRian with the team
If he gets back on board at his best changes everything. Huge player as important to Armagh as Shane O'Donnell to Clare, also has returned.
Good to see it, you want the very best out there.
Armagh could go as much as favourites if Rian is back and flying
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 10, 2025, 04:36:47 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 04:13:59 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 03:59:45 PMRian with the team
If he gets back on board at his best changes everything. Huge player as important to Armagh as Shane O'Donnell to Clare, also has returned.
Good to see it, you want the very best out there.
Armagh could go as much as favourites if Rian is back and flying
I remember Connolly came back for Dublin in 2019 after not being part of the panel for most of the year. He looked well off the pace.
Did rian bring his mate nugent back to the panel with him
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 04:51:07 PMDid rian bring his mate nuget back to the panel with him
Couldn't even spell his name right.
2/10.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 10, 2025, 04:54:47 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 04:51:07 PMDid rian bring his mate nuget back to the panel with him
Couldn't even spell his name right.
2/10.
Correct lol
I think Armagh by 2
1-20 to 0-21
Jim McGuinness. 1 ulster defeat in 6 campaign. Malachy O'Rourke only manager to get better of him. Donegal by 4.
Clones looks fine. Maybe a new stand. Casement won't be hosting Ulster finals for the foreseeable.
Patton would want to wake up and wise up
That Armagh management jersey is nice. Does it come in adult sizes?
Just seen McGeeney clearing his nose on the sideline
Surely that's a free in to Donegal?
Mighty catch there for a mark. wasn't a foul thought which the ref blew him for.
Could you imagine the sh*te this would be with last year's rules. Plenty incident and excitement so far...
The quality of the direction and camera work in Clones is diabolical.
Jesus just take the point. Hate when players go for goal when there's a high chance they aren't going to get it. Was screaming at him once he hit the 20 there to take the point but they never do. Passes the ball to a player in a worse position lose the ball
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 05:47:20 PMCould you imagine the sh*te this would be with last year's rules. Plenty incident and excitement so far...
Eh? There's still lots of silence in this game and passing around in front of a blanket defence.
Quote from: thebigfullforward on May 10, 2025, 05:48:30 PMJesus just take the point. Hate when players go for goal when there's a high chance they aren't going to get it. Was screaming at him once he hit the 20 there to take the point but they never do. Passes the ball to a player in a worse position lose the ball
Yeah O'Baoill really should have tapped that one over.
Oisin Gallen back on form
I'd rather see the kickout than a replay of a tap over, and few lads in the crowd.
Rafferty has good kickouts no doubt but people were overreacting after the Tyrone game. We let him get those kickouts away. Shows you what happens when you actually press up on the opposition
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 05:49:24 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 05:47:20 PMCould you imagine the sh*te this would be with last year's rules. Plenty incident and excitement so far...
Eh? There's still lots of silence in this game and passing around in front of a blanket defence.
:D :D you may find another sport if you think this is poor
Donegal having much joy on the kick out and leading 0-13 to 0-6 30 minutes played.
Nice to see Donegal getting a bit of success launching it in on top of Murphy.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2025, 05:55:33 PMDonegal having much joy on the kick out and leading 0-12 to 0-6 28 minutes played.
Didn't understand the hype around Rafferty against Tyrone with the kickouts. We basically let them have it. This is what happens when teams decide to press up and go man to man
Armagh struggling with that ball into Murphy, Donegal should be going route 1 steady.
Not marking anyone is a novel approach from Armagh
Half time Armagh 0-11 Donegal 0-14
Could go either way as expected. Both sides getting periods of dominance on the kick outs. Gallen having a brilliant game, as is Murphy.
Nobody from Donegal think of man marking Conaty!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 06:01:03 PMArmagh struggling with that ball into Murphy, Donegal should be going route 1 steady.
Yes absolutely, although will Murphy have the legs to keep going?
Really enjoyable game.
Seems to be marking only applies to either full bck line, cause defending by half backs is non existent.
Philly McMahon is such a bollix. Could we not have a sound lad like McManus or McKaigue on co-commentary?
Gallen playing great stuff.
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 06:07:23 PMPhilly McMahon is such a bollix. Could we not have a sound lad like McManus or McKaigue on co-commentary?
Him and niblock are hard to listen too.
Niblock quotes
Rafferty saves a shot. Niblock "he saved the opportunity".
"Donegal lead by 1, theres nothing in it"
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 06:07:23 PMPhilly McMahon is such a bollix. Could we not have a sound lad like McManus or McKaigue on co-commentary?
:D I switched over from RTÉ... Enda McGinley is even worse. I don't see the need for these co-commentators now talking more than the commentator.
Agree very enjoyable game indeed. Though at 7 up Donegal were gonna run away with it. Still hard to call a winner
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 06:04:57 PMNobody from Donegal think of man marking Conaty!
Man marking Grugan (McHugh) instead - the route to stopping Armagh.
The new rules are not McCambridge's friend, he thrived behind an iron wall, not so much now., but Gallen is awesome, so there's that too
Looked bad for a while there but we're still in touch with whatever breeze there is in 2nd
Armagh will take the three point gap at half time when it easily could have been double that. Who gets the most impact off the bench the likely winner.
Sarah Mulkerrins head and shoulders above every other GAA presenter.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 10, 2025, 06:13:21 PMArmagh will take the three point gap at half time when it easily could have been double that. Who gets the most impact off the bench the likely winner.
Yeah, if we're going to win this, the likes of Niall O'Donnell, Jamie Brennan, Aaron Doherty and Jason McGee will have to have big impacts when they come on
Very late on conaty there
Yellow card that was
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 10, 2025, 06:24:20 PMVery late on conaty there
Yellow card that was
Or McConaty if you're Enda McGinley.
Quote from McMahon - it's a pity that in the phase after that the programming was wrong.
Such physco-babble horseshit.
O O'Neil good footballer, good outlet for Armagh.
McBearty has been anonymous.
Armagh are going to win this.
High quality game any mistakes are being punished it'll come down to both benches now.
Armagh have massive gaps between the full bck and No.6
Mad sequence of events there. Donegal back firmly in the driver's seat now
Murphy done,and he's been eating Armagh all day.
Goal for Donegal, Armagh close to a goal themselves soon after. 45 minutes played Armagh 0-15 Donegal 1-17
Another Armagh goal chance off the post, Donegal respond with a point
Jaysis!
Couldn't make that one up.
Armagh unlucky not to have goaled twice there.
The luck is hanging out of Donegal.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 10, 2025, 06:34:15 PMThe luck is hanging out of Donegal.
Yeah, how the f**k are we (as I type) six points up?!
Conaty really the only forward Armagh have today. Murnin is a horror for taking a ball in an attacking position and carrying it out the field to outside the scoring zone.
O O'Neil been very good from a scoring perspective
This is great stuff lads!
It's a good match but the standard of marking is not good, too many team shadowing space and not man marking players.
Rafferty kickouts are sorta the difference between the teams, too many been lost with no contest.
Ten minutes left, two points in it...
Neither keeper doing fantastic with kickouts the day. Bit more of a lottery than previously.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 10, 2025, 06:50:56 PMNeither keeper doing fantastic with kickouts the day. Bit more of a lottery than previously.
That's what happens when the opposition doesn't sit off all game and let Rafferty kick to players virtually on their own
What happened to the dissent rule. Rafferty came out shouting and swearing at ref.
Armagh working their arses off, but it'll all be for nothing if they don't get more clinical. A few chances going amiss for them and the clock is ticking along
This is unbearable.
Is there a restriction on capacity in Clones or renovation work being done? TV says 26k at it and commentator says it'd have taken another 10k n bother. Capacity on Wikipedia is indeed 36k. 'Elf and safety?!
Donegal trying to eat up time instead of drilling away a few more scores.
Jaysis Mogan may train that right boot next week
Donegal look tired. Don't have anyone like Campbell to inject that pace.
To be so close in and can't kick a ball of his wrong foot
1 minute left Donegal lead by 1 point.
Level game with seconds left. Extra time coming up.
That's mad by Donegal there.
What a stupid stupid decision. Armagh weren't pressing up. Just keep the ball
Some shockin chances missed on both sides, alot of nerves all over
Donegal might not give the ball away for rest of the game
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 06:59:08 PMThat's mad by Donegal there.
That was so stupid. Lucky to get ot back
What is Mogan at last 5 mins
What in lord jaysis were Donegal doing there, absolute hospital pass given, and all they had to do was retain possession for another minute
Jesus that's some craic.
Donegal threw that away!
Donegal only themselves to blame there, Pass to Mogan cost them the game.
Hold it at that point ffs
Enjoyable stuff.
What was Murphy at? 2 poor passes and invited the pressure from Armagh
Armagh deserved that.
Honestly fair to end level after all that, but I can't get over the decision making at the end there
Armagh deserved that. They've been the better team and sickening seeing Donegal just trying to run down clock from 60th min
Mogan all left foot. Through on goal and turned back. A inter county player should be capable of using 2 feet from that range.
Niblock doing his best to spoil this.. "supporters are collapsing in the stands, supporters are losing their minds".. we get the excitement! Does the same in podcasts trying to ratchet the whole thing up..
Jesus Mogan was at most 12 yards out. WTF
No team harder to beat in 70 minutes football than Armagh. Hopefully no penalties again.
Such a game... And 30 more to come. How did he lose that ball
Quote from: thebigfullforward on May 10, 2025, 07:02:00 PMWhat was Murphy at? 2 poor passes and invited the pressure from Armagh
No way should Murphy be on for the full 70 minutes. McGuinness needs to use him as an impact sub.
Quote from: Schkite on May 10, 2025, 07:02:27 PMHonestly fair to end level after all that, but I can't get over the decision making at the end there
Shocking from Donegal.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 07:02:45 PMNiblock doing his best to spoil this.. "supporters are collapsing in the stands, supporters are losing their minds".. we get the excitement! Does the same in podcasts trying to ratchet the whole thing up..
Mi genuinely can't stand the man when he's commentating
Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2025, 07:03:19 PMQuote from: Schkite on May 10, 2025, 07:02:27 PMHonestly fair to end level after all that, but I can't get over the decision making at the end there
Shocking from Donegal.
Surprisingly so
Ye couldn't like Armagh
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 07:02:49 PMJesus Mogan was at most 12 yards out. WTF
Aaron Doherty's potshot was almost worse. We were blessed the Armagh lad fouled the ball after.
Donegal beat themselves not Armagh, plus I said at half time they need man mark Conaty, they blind on the Donegal sideline.
Armagh's depth to tell here?
We look out of legs, while Armagh have nullified Patton and Gallen.
Donegal have probably missed their chance now. Armagh seem to have more in the tank.
McManus is a very good pundit.
Had that ball not spilled for McFadden to hammer home, this game would be over. Kept us in it.
Nothing for us to fear in two weeks, regardless of who wins.
Donegal have another kick in them for extra time? 1-19 to 0-15 looking good for the win but fell away badly after that to get outscored 0-8 to 0-1 and lucky Armagh didn't score a goal or two.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 07:03:25 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 07:02:45 PMNiblock doing his best to spoil this.. "supporters are collapsing in the stands, supporters are losing their minds".. we get the excitement! Does the same in podcasts trying to ratchet the whole thing up..
Mi genuinely can't stand the man when he's commentating
Absolute dose, some of the shite he talks. Unlistenable.
Donegal made mistakes at pivotal times in the second half. Not taking that handy shot was criminal.
Contay showing well the whole game and giving a throwback to the way the game used to be played, taking on players and taking chances.
Top game
We haven't the forwards or bench of neither team.
Armagh stronger sub bench.
How many subs can you make in extra time?
Who kicked that,there was a spare Donegal man outside him.
Half time in extra time. Armagh 0-25 Donegal 1-22. Oisin Conaty and Micheal Murphy had to come off could give no more.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 07:29:08 PMWho kicked that,there was a spare Donegal man outside him.
Doherty has been guilty of some awful shooting.
"Supporters' noise reaching decibels I've never heard before in this county town".. Jees! Thomas.. stop!
Jeez Thomas Niblock is a hard listen on commentary, every play and every score is the greatest ever and 'just unbelievable..'
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 10, 2025, 07:31:57 PMHalf time in extra time. Armagh 0-25 Donegal 1-22. Oisin Conaty and Micheal Murphy had to come off could give no more.
Both done well and influencal. A mistake in it now
Goal for Donegal they lead by 2. 83 minutes played.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 07:34:30 PM"Supporters' noise reaching decibels I've never heard before in this county town".. Jees! Thomas.. stop!
Quote from: Sheedy on May 10, 2025, 07:34:43 PMJeez Thomas Niblock is a hard listen on commentary, every play and every score is the greatest ever and 'just unbelievable..'
Both commentators naturally positive but have crossed into hypeman territory.
The pitchside/studio teams more measured and the better for it.
That was 6-7 yards forward of where the foul was!
Level again. 85 minutes played.
I hope Niblock isn't suggesting Rafferty is a MOTM contender
How's that lad Roarty not get called for playing with the gumshield out.
Donegal back in front with 2 mins left.
Can rafferty please stop waving wide every ball which goes straight over the bar. Umpires aren't buying it
Donegal just have to hold it this time
That should have been an Armagh free.
Be interesting to see how Donegal manage the end of ET now with a lead, considering how they botched the end of normal time
1 minute left Donegal 1 in front.
G that was stupid
What an absolutely moronic decision by Rafferty. In what universe was that a good move
What a dopey thing for Rafferty to do.
Sin é
FT AET Donegal 2-23 Armagh 0-28
FFS take your loss lads, look internally if you want to point fingers
G lads, don't let uselves down after that.
Jesus can armagh not take a loss
Forker letting himself down again. Typical
Gutting. Again. Well done Donegal
Blaine Hughes throwing digs at the end
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 07:49:54 PMForker letting himself down again. Typical
Go on. Tell us what happened there
Armagh sub goalie will be getting a suspension.. Couple of dirty jabs thrown there
Armagh embarrassing themselves at the end there. Learn to take your beating you're not children anymore.
Probably the 2 least likeable teams in Ireland.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 10, 2025, 07:52:00 PMProbably the 2 least likeable teams in Ireland.
Dublin weren't playing pal
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 07:50:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 07:49:54 PMForker letting himself down again. Typical
Go on. Tell us what happened there
Running onto the pitch to grab McGuinness
Philly's MOTM picks never fail to bemuse me
f**k me! Thought we were gone several times, but plenty of balls in that team!
Hard luck Armagh lads. Easily could have won that. Hope the f**k we don't meet you again unless it's for the big one!
Two teams that gave their all and more in a contest decided on the finest of margins. At least it wasn't decided on a penalty shootout this time.
Fair play Donegal. Hearts of lions.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 07:52:20 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 07:50:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 07:49:54 PMForker letting himself down again. Typical
Go on. Tell us what happened there
Running onto the pitch to grab McGuinness
You see that? All I seen was him pointing at McGuiness
Thought McCole deserved the MOTM. Or Roarty who was excellent too if lacking in a bit football.
Both very strong teams, Donegal stronger than last year. Armagh will depend if R O"Neill can get up to the level again. I have Galway ahead of either and Kerry slightly behind them. Some difference killing each other in that game to the walk in the park in the munster final.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 07:53:01 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 07:52:20 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 07:50:32 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 07:49:54 PMForker letting himself down again. Typical
Go on. Tell us what happened there
Running onto the pitch to grab McGuinness
You see that? All I seen was him pointing at McGuiness
You saw it but asked what happened? He grabbed him by the arm and shouting.
Stefan and Aidan Forker always was the same antics
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 07:53:25 PMThought McCole deserved the MOTM. Or Roarty who was excellent too if lacking in a bit football.
Second coming of Noel Hegarty. Even the hair!
Disappointing, think we will go further than Donegal this year.
What was Hughes even doing in that skirmish, it was in middle of the field.
I've a feeling we will cross paths again. Enjoy the evening Donegal ones
The goals came at very good times for us, especially the first one. Second was important, but we immediately blew it with a dumb failure to keep three up.
Big shout out to Cawley as ref, wouldn't be my favourite but thought he was excellent overall.
Hard luck Armagh & congrats to Donegal, could have went either road. I'd be confident enough of a long summer ahead after that game, but the group stage will be brutal, a prelim QF might have to do!
Brilliant game. Such excitement. Murphy pure legend.
Could meet again in the All Ireland final, best two teams in the country. Get Rian back.. anything possible.
Fortune favoured the unbrave.
Starting to look more and more like Armagh are frauds. 3 Ulster final chokes in a row for them. No Ulster titles since 2008. Very fortunate that Galway beat themselves in the final last year.
https://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 10, 2025, 08:11:27 PMStarting to look more and more like Armagh are frauds. 3 Ulster final chokes in a row for them. No Ulster titles since 2008. Very fortunate that Galway beat themselves in the final last year.
You need to try harder kiddo.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 08:12:53 PMQuote from: SouthDublinBro on May 10, 2025, 08:11:27 PMStarting to look more and more like Armagh are frauds. 3 Ulster final chokes in a row for them. No Ulster titles since 2008. Very fortunate that Galway beat themselves in the final last year.
You need to try harder kiddo.
Sad & pathetic individual
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 10, 2025, 08:11:27 PMStarting to look more and more like Armagh are frauds. 3 Ulster final chokes in a row for them. No Ulster titles since 2008. Very fortunate that Galway beat themselves in the final last year.
Will you ever f**k away off.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
Absolutely no need for that type of gloating, especially after such a tight game, played in sporting fashion, which could have gone either way.
You won, go celebrate with your teammates. If someone from Armagh was mouthing earlier, you have the last laugh anyway by winning.
Quote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2025, 08:43:35 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
Absolutely no need for that type of gloating, especially after such a tight game, played in sporting fashion, which could have gone either way.
You won, go celebrate with your teammates. If someone from Armagh was mouthing earlier, you have the last laugh anyway by winning.
It seemed to me McQuillan was being pretty mouthy through the game, but Donegal just brushed it off. Stupidity all round at the end, could've got very messy with fans running on.
Cawley was mostly good, but 2 calls had bearing on game.
1 stopping game cause murphy was cramping. Wtf. Why just for him?
3 donegal players thumping Campbell but yet got done for overcarrying
Quote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
Christ 🤦
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
From a Tyrone man? lol.. Will Mr Harte be doing character witness or is your memory short
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 10, 2025, 09:06:17 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
From a Tyrone man? lol.. Will Mr Harte be doing character witness or is your memory short
If you read it, i said current squad.
Tyrone werent involved in this.
If you are happy to see a fist fight break out at the end of an ulster final crack on.
Quote from: screenexile on May 10, 2025, 09:01:19 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
Christ 🤦
Feel free to point out a single incorrect statement I made. Go on.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 10, 2025, 08:52:14 PMCawley was mostly good, but 2 calls had bearing on game.
1 stopping game cause murphy was cramping. Wtf. Why just for him?
3 donegal players thumping Campbell but yet got done for overcarrying
Excellent game but don't see how point one above had such a massive impact on the game. It shouldn't have happened, no big deal
The Campbell incident wasn't even a free. He had nowhere to go so jumped into 3 donegal men. Move on
Thought armagh looked the slightly fresher team in extra time and should have pushed on when they went a point up. Think grogan missed a straightforward enough one to go 2 up. Fine margins
That was in every respect a better game than Down v Derry 1994.
It's a day to love football.
Anyone talking about referees at this point needs their head examined.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 10, 2025, 08:52:14 PMCawley was mostly good, but 2 calls had bearing on game.
1 stopping game cause murphy was cramping. Wtf. Why just for him?
3 donegal players thumping Campbell but yet got done for overcarrying
Campbell slips on his 4th or 5th step when attempting to cut back. He may have been fouled thereafter but had already over carried, wasn't a turning point lots of score able wides in the game including inter county footballers unable to shoot with their weaker foot.
No idea what the stopping for cramp thing was about (was there a sub coming on).
Lads throwing digs in a crowd with kids at hand need a long ban, that could have been a disaster in the truest sense.
Least said about the winning speech, last heard one like that at a corporate awards do and that at least had pints at it.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 10, 2025, 08:52:14 PMCawley was mostly good, but 2 calls had bearing on game.
1 stopping game cause murphy was cramping. Wtf. Why just for him?
3 donegal players thumping Campbell but yet got done for overcarrying
FFS would ya stop.
In fairness I am glad there isn't as much talk of the Campbell 'free' on here as the media wanted to steer it.
He was making no attempt to play the ball and was running into contact for a free imho.
What an event and a serious game. To see Murphy so emotional was brilliant too. There's more to come from both these teams, and Rian O'Neill back is huge.
Clones on a day like that is awesome.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 09:10:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 10, 2025, 09:01:19 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
Christ 🤦
Feel free to point out a single incorrect statement I made. Go on.
I'm not saying your statement is incorrect but you're from Tyrone so the hypocrisy is... well 🤦
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypfhAHbw24s
Embarrassing stuff from the nordies.
Not a fan of Cawley generally but he was excellent today.
Some craic here. As good a game as you will see and people have more interest in a bit of handbags that lasted about 20 seconds. Not real football fans just interested in one upmanship to make them feel good. Well played Donegal. Hopefully we beat you next time
What is it about Armagh and close games?
Even when playing against sides inferior to them (Tyrone in the semis and Antrim for a while in the quarters), they have this trait of having to win it down the home stretch.
Are the supporters immune to this now, as in expecting it?
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 10, 2025, 09:39:21 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypfhAHbw24s
Embarrassing stuff from the nordies.
Donegal further North than Armagh!
Quote from: ONeill on May 10, 2025, 09:51:35 PMWhat is it about Armagh and close games?
Even when playing against sides inferior to them (Tyrone in the semis and Antrim for a while in the quarters), they have this trait of having to win it down the home stretch.
Are the supporters immune to this now, as in expecting it?
I have supported Armagh 50 years but the last 10 or so have been the most entertaining. No use winning easy. It gets boring. :)
Quote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
Even Donegal lads must be sick of winning of Ulsters with that reaction.
Quote from: LarryStiles on May 10, 2025, 09:56:38 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
Even Donegal lads must be sick of winning of Ulsters with that reaction.
What now?
Quote from: J70 on May 10, 2025, 09:58:42 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on May 10, 2025, 09:56:38 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
Even Donegal lads must be sick of winning of Ulsters with that reaction.
What now?
If players runs over to goad someone than celebrate with his own crowd.
Quote from: SouthDublinBro on May 10, 2025, 09:39:21 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypfhAHbw24s
Embarrassing stuff from the nordies.
Free staters would never do such a thing...
Quote from: LarryStiles on May 10, 2025, 10:00:49 PMQuote from: J70 on May 10, 2025, 09:58:42 PMQuote from: LarryStiles on May 10, 2025, 09:56:38 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
Even Donegal lads must be sick of winning of Ulsters with that reaction.
What now?
If players runs over to goad someone than celebrate with his own crowd.
Whoever it was acted stupidly, but what has that got to do with winning either this or our other Ulster titles?
Quote from: Throw ball on May 10, 2025, 09:55:58 PMQuote from: ONeill on May 10, 2025, 09:51:35 PMWhat is it about Armagh and close games?
Even when playing against sides inferior to them (Tyrone in the semis and Antrim for a while in the quarters), they have this trait of having to win it down the home stretch.
Are the supporters immune to this now, as in expecting it?
I have supported Armagh 50 years but the last 10 or so have been the most entertaining. No use winning easy. It gets boring. :)
It's remarkable though.
It used to be helter-skelter to salvage a game, but now they're so used to it, they execute a 2-point deficit with 5 to go with precision.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
Take a running jump. p***k
Quote from: screenexile on May 10, 2025, 09:32:19 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 09:10:47 PMQuote from: screenexile on May 10, 2025, 09:01:19 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
Christ 🤦
Feel free to point out a single incorrect statement I made. Go on.
I'm not saying your statement is incorrect but you're from Tyrone so the hypocrisy is... well 🤦
Lol old tyrone teams maybe but I doubt you would find as many high profile incidents as this.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 10, 2025, 09:14:41 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 10, 2025, 08:52:14 PMCawley was mostly good, but 2 calls had bearing on game.
1 stopping game cause murphy was cramping. Wtf. Why just for him?
3 donegal players thumping Campbell but yet got done for overcarrying
Excellent game but don't see how point one above had such a massive impact on the game. It shouldn't have happened, no big deal
The Campbell incident wasn't even a free. He had nowhere to go so jumped into 3 donegal men. Move on
Thought armagh looked the slightly fresher team in extra time and should have pushed on when they went a point up. Think grogan missed a straightforward enough one to go 2 up. Fine margins
I'd have no issue whatsoever with the ref. If we took our two goal chances in the second half no Armagh person would be talking about that incident
Congrats Donegal, I hope we meet later in the year again for the big one. Nothing between the teams, I don't think anyone would turn down the chance of another titanic tussle in a few weeks time. Now for the group of death for the second year in a row.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 10, 2025, 10:08:52 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 08:55:59 PMQuote from: Brendan on May 10, 2025, 08:44:03 PMQuote from: omagh_gael on May 10, 2025, 08:12:36 PMhttps://x.com/m_brosnan/status/1921276570745839816?t=s_YvCT13kuaSUqbeca3OMQ&s=19
Donegal player acting the eejit goading Armagh bench, armagh mentor comes on an decks him. Any idea who that Armagh man is?
How ugly could that have got with thousands of fans running onto the pitch, why would your first thought after a win like that be to goad the opposition bench, it wasn't even a bad tempered match
No one has any idea what was said during the match. Simple fact is you teach kids not to react to taunts but you have grown men running on and punching people in the face for it.
Armagh seriously need to grow up, if you can give it you can take it.
Cocaine abuse, eye goughing, sexual assault cases. This current Armagh panel are not exactly innocent and can't point fingers such as "oh he celebrated in front of us"
Take a running jump. p***k
Touched a nerve. Feel free to point out anything I said which was wrong
Well done Donegal, great game of football. Seemed to be one of those days everything went wrong and we still could have won it. Good chance thats the All Ireland final pairing draw dependent.
Quote from: An Watcher on May 10, 2025, 09:14:41 PMQuote from: 5times5times on May 10, 2025, 08:52:14 PMCawley was mostly good, but 2 calls had bearing on game.
1 stopping game cause murphy was cramping. Wtf. Why just for him?
3 donegal players thumping Campbell but yet got done for overcarrying
Excellent game but don't see how point one above had such a massive impact on the game. It shouldn't have happened, no big deal
The Campbell incident wasn't even a free. He had nowhere to go so jumped into 3 donegal men. Move on
Thought armagh looked the slightly fresher team in extra time and should have pushed on when they went a point up. Think grogan missed a straightforward enough one to go 2 up. Fine margins
Haven't seen the Soupy incident back, looked like charging to me but was talking to a friend that was watching the game on tv and he said it was 100% a foul. Stopping to check on St Michaels wee legs was a joke.
Thought we should have had a free the time McGrane was done for a lift ball, Murphy had a good hold of his shorts as he was breaking away.
Having not seen it back my initial thoughts are these. Great performance from Donegal who fully deserved their win. Comfortably the better side. Decent refereeing performance I thought to bar one or two decisions. Nothings changed on my thoughts on the rules but not allowed to voice that.
Langan Murphy Thompson and Morgan were exceptional. Conaty I thought was best player on the pitch.
Armagh very poor first half with McQuillian looking injured and Murnin and Crealy not looking fully fit.
Donegal seemed to change their defence approach compressing the space between their lines of defenders confusing Armagh. Donegal could and probably should have been out of sight by half time. Poor kicking from Patton kept Armagh in the game.
Armagh showed great grit to get back in to the game and should take some heart from how they fought back.
Both teams will have a big say in the All Ireland series particularly if Armagh get more players back.
Soupy charged. Referee got it spot on.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 10, 2025, 10:21:27 PMSoupy charged. Referee got it spot on.
Fair enough, as I said looked that way to me but i was far enough away.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 10, 2025, 09:16:41 PMThat was in every respect a better game than Down v Derry 1994.
It's a day to love football.
Anyone talking about referees at this point needs their head examined.
No Jimmy Smith today unfortunately.
Great day out, and once again Armagh were close but no cigar. Armagh hit the upright twice in the first 15 minutes and I thought we had lost it when we went 7 points down but fair play to the lads.
I'm now looking forward to the qualifiers.
Am over in Edinburgh at the moment, was watching the game in a bar. A Donegal supporter roared and shouted in my wife's face after the game. He was very apologetic after I had a word with him.
Hate pricks like that!
Donegal jersey beside the 16th green at the PGA golf in Philadelphia. To be fair, he didn't goad when Lowry missed his birdie putt 😮
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 10, 2025, 10:48:29 PMAm over in Edinburgh at the moment, was watching the game in a bar. A Donegal supporter roared and shouted in my wife's face after the game. He was very apologetic after I had a word with him.
Absolutely no call for that. A bit of banter is great and is all part of it but people shouldn't cross the line.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 10:49:24 PMHate pricks like that!
Correct, was sitting beside another Donegal supporter an he was brilliant throughout. Couldn't be happier for him.
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on May 10, 2025, 10:48:29 PMAm over in Edinburgh at the moment, was watching the game in a bar. A Donegal supporter roared and shouted in my wife's face after the game. He was very apologetic after I had a word with him.
The wife sounds like a piece of work though too.
Quote from: ONeill on May 10, 2025, 10:54:56 PMQuote from: Harold Disgracey on May 10, 2025, 10:48:29 PMAm over in Edinburgh at the moment, was watching the game in a bar. A Donegal supporter roared and shouted in my wife's face after the game. He was very apologetic after I had a word with him.
The wife sounds like a piece of work though too.
Keady woman, what do you expect lol
A strange thing that. Surely your first instinct is to celebrate a win. Be that clenched fists, hug fellow fans , jump up and down, dance like an eejit.
But goading opponents or opposition fans , as your first instinct . I just don't get it.
It's bizarre really
No matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:01:54 PMNo matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 11:19:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:01:54 PMNo matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
Bit snowflake there lad. Couldn't meet a nicer lad than Aidan Forker and the parents and kids think the world of him. The headbutt was moment of madness but in the heat of Clones that was nothing today.
Whilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
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Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
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Whereas firing insults about players' personal lives on an internet forum is perfectly acceptable. That's some holier than thou shite you're coming out with.....
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:26:06 PMWhilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
That's a very good summation.
I've yet to see exciting forward play bar Clifford but he's who he is.
Teams are told not to hit the 3 on 3 as it's a 50/50 and those odds aren't good.
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:26:06 PMWhilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
You're not a happy bunny :D
Wild celebrations from.donegal but I can't help but think it doesn't matter. Like winning the charity shield these days.... Armagh turned it on when it counted last year.
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 11:25:49 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 11:19:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:01:54 PMNo matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
Bit snowflake there lad. Couldn't meet a nicer lad than Aidan Forker and the parents and kids think the world of him. The headbutt was moment of madness but in the heat of Clones that was nothing today.
That poster is best ignored
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:26:06 PMWhilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
You're not a happy bunny :D
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:26:06 PMWhilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
You're not a happy bunny :D
I watched the highlight reel back there on YouTube. Of the 15ish scores they showed only one involved a kick from pass immediately prior to the score. More than 80% involved no kicking at all in the build-up if you exclude kickouts.
Last year's final was a better game with more quality scores, but that doesn't suit the new rules narrative.
Did they turn it on? Last years All-Ireland was poor, all I remember about it is a great point by Grimley. I thought Galway kicked themselves out of it rather than Armagh turning it on. I think Donegal is Ulster best bet for An All-Ireland this year. But still fancy Galway.
Was Tomas McCormack injured? Seemed a strange omission
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:59:40 PMDid they turn it on? Last years All-Ireland was poor, all I remember about it is a great point by Grimley. I thought Galway kicked themselves out of it rather than Armagh turning it on. I think Donegal is Ulster best bet for An All-Ireland this year. But still fancy Galway.
I seem to remember boys like you writing us off last year as well. Keep talking.
If today showed anything its that you need a bit of luck to fall your way. Got our share last year, hopefully it'll come again.
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:53:08 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:26:06 PMWhilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
You're not a happy bunny :D
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:26:06 PMWhilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
You're not a happy bunny :D
I watched the highlight reel back there on YouTube. Of the 15ish scores they showed only one involved a kick from pass immediately prior to the score. More than 80% involved no kicking at all in the build-up if you exclude kickouts.
Quite ironic that a Trillick man complains about the style of play today.
Sure Trillick are basically the kings of the possession game at club level - brilliant at it I must add and great to watch in full flow but they rarely if ever kick it long
Trillick don't hit much into Lee Brennan early, it is all methodical and pre planned - yet you complain when these 2 teams today play the same type system
On today's game - it was a classic, even for the neutral. A brilliant advertisement for GAA but not sure how long county players are going to play the game going forward. 3/4/5 of those type games every year followed by a club season will soon reduce your playing life span
Today was brilliant - it had everything. Goal chances, high fielding, great tackling, great scores, end to end, misses, mistakes...,very enjoyable
Brilliant performances from Conaty, McMullen, Murphy, McCole and to a lesser extent Moore, Langan and McQuillan.
Both keepers deserve credit although I have seen them both play much better. Looking for a moving target in a midst of big athletic men under pressure in a cauldron like today can't be easy, but they are both brilliant and both showed their fielding capabilities today as well
Quote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:53:08 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:26:06 PMWhilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
You're not a happy bunny :D
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 10, 2025, 11:38:12 PMQuote from: trileacman on May 10, 2025, 11:26:06 PMWhilst today was exciting I didn't really think it was a great match. Bar Thompsons excellent 2 pointers and Soupys first score I thought most of the other scores were pretty average.
The new rules definitely tilt the game heavily towards a running game. Basically they suit a guy like Conaty down to the ground. He's a very fine footballer but essentially your top 12 players should all be guys whose game is centred around using size and sped to round your marker or come off the shoulder and sweep it over the bar. There's not really much point in starting skilful corner forwards like McBearty, Duffy or Turbitt given that the ball is pretty much never kicked into the inside line. The status quo is now break fast and try to run in a score quickly and if that fails then recycle recycle recycle until you can manufacture a spare man or pick out a lazy defender.
It's no coincidence that the game is now being dominated by teams that mirror Galway's running game. Maher, McHugh, Kelly, Tierney, Conroy, McGrath, McDaid are all basically runners who pick good lines and are accurate from 30 yards.
It's weird that in a game were Donegal scored 2-23 or whatever I don't remember a single score coming directly from a ball being kicked into their full forward line. Murphy's mark is the obvious exception but it's a sad reflection on football when a long kick pass caught by a full forward stands out as something truly exceptional.
You're not a happy bunny :D
I watched the highlight reel back there on YouTube. Of the 15ish scores they showed only one involved a kick from pass immediately prior to the score. More than 80% involved no kicking at all in the build-up if you exclude kickouts.
Hugely exciting game.. which is also the overwheming consensus. Maybe Gaelic football is not for you. #analysisparalysis
It was death by handpassing through stages of the game. Donegal could worked a score or 2 near the end of normal time, would have seen the game out, but just held onto it. For the manager McGuiness is supposed to be, not putting somebody on Conaty to man mark him was criminal. Him and O O'Neil kept Armagh in it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2025, 01:16:55 AMIt was death by handpassing through stages of the game. Donegal could worked a score or 2 near the end of normal time woukd seen the game out, but just held onto it. Fir the manager McGuiness is supposed to be. Nit putting somebody on Conaty to man mark him was criminal. Him and O O'Neil kept Armagh in it.
Reminds me of man fiercely critical of an All Ireland winning minor manager who didn't pick someone from his club. I says: "they won the All Ireland!".. reply: "just about!" :D
Jimmy just won another Ulster #supitup
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 11, 2025, 01:16:55 AMIt was death by handpassing through stages of the game. Donegal could worked a score or 2 near the end of normal time, would have seen the game out, but just held onto it. For the manager McGuiness is supposed to be, not putting somebody on Conaty to man mark him was criminal. Him and O O'Neil kept Armagh in it.
Manager he's supposed to be? From donegals all Ireland title in 1992 until when mcguinness took over Donegal didn't win an ulster title never mind all Ireland. Under mcguinnes they have won 5 ulsters and an all Ireland title.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 11, 2025, 12:09:43 AMIf today showed anything its that you need a bit of luck to fall your way. Got our share last year, hopefully it'll come again.
This is it for me. Incredibly narrow margins between these two teams and between winning and losing.
We had a lot of luck today and I'm delighted for that. To see what it meant to Murphy was brilliant. An Ulster will never be meaningless to Donegal.
That's a class Armagh team. Wonderful to think we are at their level and that we'll both get to fight it out for Sam.
Quote from: StephenC on May 11, 2025, 02:35:38 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 11, 2025, 12:09:43 AMIf today showed anything its that you need a bit of luck to fall your way. Got our share last year, hopefully it'll come again.
This is it for me. Incredibly narrow margins between these two teams and between winning and losing.
We had a lot of luck today and I'm delighted for that. To see what it meant to Murphy was brilliant. An Ulster will never be meaningless to Donegal.
That's a class Armagh team. Wonderful to think we are at their level and that we'll both get to fight it out for Sam.
I always feel
Quote from: StephenC on May 11, 2025, 02:35:38 AMQuote from: bennydorano on May 11, 2025, 12:09:43 AMIf today showed anything its that you need a bit of luck to fall your way. Got our share last year, hopefully it'll come again.
This is it for me. Incredibly narrow margins between these two teams and between winning and losing.
We had a lot of luck today and I'm delighted for that. To see what it meant to Murphy was brilliant. An Ulster will never be meaningless to Donegal.
That's a class Armagh team. Wonderful to think we are at their level and that we'll both get to fight it out for Sam.
Did you not believe you where at their level last year when beating them in the Ulster final and div 2 final?
Both Armagh and Donegal are big contenders for Sam and I feel they will come up against each other again this season.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2025, 10:25:49 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 10, 2025, 10:21:27 PMSoupy charged. Referee got it spot on.
Fair enough, as I said looked that way to me but i was far enough away.
On the tv replays it looked very much that it was a foul, that he was tripped, had his feet clipped and therefore he fell but had the appearance that he was making a meal out of it and that what the ref went with. The ref got it wrong.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 10, 2025, 10:21:14 PMHaving not seen it back my initial thoughts are these. Great performance from Donegal who fully deserved their win. Comfortably the better side. Decent refereeing performance I thought to bar one or two decisions. Nothings changed on my thoughts on the rules but not allowed to voice that.
Langan Murphy Thompson and Morgan were exceptional. Conaty I thought was best player on the pitch.
Armagh very poor first half with McQuillian looking injured and Murnin and Crealy not looking fully fit.
Donegal seemed to change their defence approach compressing the space between their lines of defenders confusing Armagh. Donegal could and probably should have been out of sight by half time. Poor kicking from Patton kept Armagh in the game.
Armagh showed great grit to get back in to the game and should take some heart from how they fought back.
Both teams will have a big say in the All Ireland series particularly if Armagh get more players back.
I think you are too generous towards Donegal. I thought it was a 50 50 game, Armagh were the better in the 2nd half, that was not just a fightback and incredibly by some freak incidence didn't score a goal from any one of those 3 close encounters.
Methinks Donegal got away with it, they were just one point to the good in the end.
Quote from: Main Street on May 11, 2025, 03:05:26 AMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 10, 2025, 10:25:49 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 10, 2025, 10:21:27 PMSoupy charged. Referee got it spot on.
Fair enough, as I said looked that way to me but i was far enough away.
On the tv replays it looked very much that it was a foul, that he was tripped, had his feet clipped and therefore he fell but had the appearance that he was making a meal out of it and that what the ref went with. The ref got it wrong.
It was a massive decision in the context of the game which having seen it again was a mistake by the referee.
Good game overall think both teams will have a say come the business end of the season.
Disappointing for Armagh , great for Donegal but all will be forgotten in two weeks .
I'm still not sold that it was a foul. Watched live and then watched the replay and for me Soupy overcarries and is looking the free. That said, I've seen them given but for me ref got it right, and got most big calls right.
Thought the ridiculousness of the new rules was highlighted once or twice yesterday, early on Oisin O'Neill won a great turnover and hit a pas to Jarly Og, who had to stop on the half way line like a dummy to wait on the ball and allowed the Donegal man to get a hand in, think it broke for us in tbe end up, another tine Murphy was tracking back and had to stop dead while tackling a man to avoid a breach. Daft.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2025, 08:14:46 AMI'm still not sold that it was a foul. Watched live and then watched the replay and for me Soupy overcarries and is looking the free. That said, I've seen them given but for me ref got it right, and got most big calls right.
Yeah I would agree with that. Went looking the free when he had run out of road.
Think he was trying to buy a free, as a ref I hate that look up at ya, it's like you're begging for a free.
I just seen it live and thought it was just about the correct decision.
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
The BBC went to town on it, purely for a story, some what over egging things, which for me makes it look a bit juvenile
Not sticking up for the ref but the bits I seen (was watching the hurling mainly) he looked like in control and wasn't much controversial decisions
I don't think it was a foul but I don't think it was a free out either
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 11:19:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:01:54 PMNo matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
He ain't a principal !
Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 11, 2025, 08:49:06 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 11:19:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:01:54 PMNo matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
He ain't a principal !
Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
Apologies vice principal. Its grand then.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMThink he was trying to buy a free, as a ref I hate that look up at ya, it's like you're begging for a free.
I just seen it live and thought it was just about the correct decision.
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
The BBC went to town on it, purely for a story, some what over egging things, which for me makes it look a bit juvenile
Not sticking up for the ref but the bits I seen (was watching the hurling mainly) he looked like in control and wasn't much controversial decisions
Ref done well. Thought it was a free at first but looking back probably the right call. No complaints whatsoever with the ref
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMThink he was trying to buy a free, as a ref I hate that look up at ya, it's like you're begging for a free.
I just seen it live and thought it was just about the correct decision.
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
The BBC went to town on it, purely for a story, some what over egging things, which for me makes it look a bit juvenile
Not sticking up for the ref but the bits I seen (was watching the hurling mainly) he looked like in control and wasn't much controversial decisions
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMTh
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
I genuinely it was a massive call simply because of the time of the free.
Just like goughs decision, referee calls do win and lose games as much as scores
For me it was a free
But as I said two weeks if will be forgone in the context of the season.
Thought Patton should have been blown a few times for delaying kickouts.
Really enjoyable game, imo armagh probably have more to offer in the all Ireland series and I was actually a little bit disappointed with Donegal, who haven't come on to the extent I'd anticipated and I'd lower their chances of all Ireland glory now.
I see someone talking about the running game and its prevalence under the new rules, it may simply be that's what the best teams have been used to playing and it'll take time to transition playing styles and personnel to match the new rules. Kerry certainly have the direct game in their locker, and it's not just Clifford, geaney is having his best year in years too.
Quote from: Main Street on May 11, 2025, 03:14:24 AMQuote from: David McKeown on May 10, 2025, 10:21:14 PMHaving not seen it back my initial thoughts are these. Great performance from Donegal who fully deserved their win. Comfortably the better side. Decent refereeing performance I thought to bar one or two decisions. Nothings changed on my thoughts on the rules but not allowed to voice that.
Langan Murphy Thompson and Morgan were exceptional. Conaty I thought was best player on the pitch.
Armagh very poor first half with McQuillian looking injured and Murnin and Crealy not looking fully fit.
Donegal seemed to change their defence approach compressing the space between their lines of defenders confusing Armagh. Donegal could and probably should have been out of sight by half time. Poor kicking from Patton kept Armagh in the game.
Armagh showed great grit to get back in to the game and should take some heart from how they fought back.
Both teams will have a big say in the All Ireland series particularly if Armagh get more players back.
I think you are too generous towards Donegal. I thought it was a 50 50 game, Armagh were the better in the 2nd half, that was not just a fightback and incredibly by some freak incidence didn't score a goal from any one of those 3 close encounters.
Methinks Donegal got away with it, they were just one point to the good in the end.
Perhaps as I say I haven't seen it back yet. My impression was that Donegal dominated the first half. Their change to their defensive structure in compacting the distance between their pressing players and deep defenders created problems for Armagh. Going forward Armagh couldn't live with their attacking angles. Armagh were the better team in the second half but to nowhere near the same extent for me.
It's one of the strangest experiences
I've had coming out of an Armagh match in recent years. Usually I look to blame the ref or the manager or something but yesterday I thought I just had to hold my hands up and acknowledge the better team.
That said Donegal got a lot of the luck or rub of the green and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner I just mean in terms of how the ball broke (off the post twice, for their first goal etc). If they hadn't have gotten that they may not had one but I think that just shows how close both teams are.
I'm still heading into the All Ireland series in positive form. Will be tough though. Dublin in Croke Park will be difficult and I'm out of the country that weekend.
Quote from: naka on May 11, 2025, 09:11:46 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMThink he was trying to buy a free, as a ref I hate that look up at ya, it's like you're begging for a free.
I just seen it live and thought it was just about the correct decision.
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
The BBC went to town on it, purely for a story, some what over egging things, which for me makes it look a bit juvenile
Not sticking up for the ref but the bits I seen (was watching the hurling mainly) he looked like in control and wasn't much controversial decisions
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMTh
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
I genuinely it was a massive call simply because of the time of the free.
Just like goughs decision, referee calls do win and lose games as much as scores
For me it was a free
But as I said two weeks if will be forgone in the context of the season.
Him giving that free in the first few minutes of the game or last has no bearing on what that team does during it. Games are won and lost over the whole time, not the last seconds of extra time. It's cruel that it is late on but that's part of the game.
Well done Donegal. Not much between the sides and I expect them to meet again. Conaty top class for Armagh. Rian being back involved a massive plus will take a good side to beat them in ai series.
Quote from: statto on May 11, 2025, 11:16:02 AMWell done Donegal. Not much between the sides and I expect them to meet again. Conaty top class for Armagh. Rian being back involved a massive plus will take a good side to beat them in ai series.
In the All Ireland final... ticets not ge easy got
Quote from: David McKeown on May 11, 2025, 10:44:20 AMQuote from: Main Street on May 11, 2025, 03:14:24 AMQuote from: David McKeown on May 10, 2025, 10:21:14 PMHaving not seen it back my initial thoughts are these. Great performance from Donegal who fully deserved their win. Comfortably the better side. Decent refereeing performance I thought to bar one or two decisions. Nothings changed on my thoughts on the rules but not allowed to voice that.
Langan Murphy Thompson and Morgan were exceptional. Conaty I thought was best player on the pitch.
Armagh very poor first half with McQuillian looking injured and Murnin and Crealy not looking fully fit.
Donegal seemed to change their defence approach compressing the space between their lines of defenders confusing Armagh. Donegal could and probably should have been out of sight by half time. Poor kicking from Patton kept Armagh in the game.
Armagh showed great grit to get back in to the game and should take some heart from how they fought back.
Both teams will have a big say in the All Ireland series particularly if Armagh get more players back.
I think you are too generous towards Donegal. I thought it was a 50 50 game, Armagh were the better in the 2nd half, that was not just a fightback and incredibly by some freak incidence didn't score a goal from any one of those 3 close encounters.
Methinks Donegal got away with it, they were just one point to the good in the end.
Perhaps as I say I haven't seen it back yet. My impression was that Donegal dominated the first half. Their change to their defensive structure in compacting the distance between their pressing players and deep defenders created problems for Armagh. Going forward Armagh couldn't live with their attacking angles. Armagh were the better team in the second half but to nowhere near the same extent for me.
It's one of the strangest experiences
I've had coming out of an Armagh match in recent years. Usually I look to blame the ref or the manager or something but yesterday I thought I just had to hold my hands up and acknowledge the better team.
That said Donegal got a lot of the luck or rub of the green and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner I just mean in terms of how the ball broke (off the post twice, for their first goal etc). If they hadn't have gotten that they may not had one but I think that just shows how close both teams are.
I'm still heading into the All Ireland series in positive form. Will be tough though. Dublin in Croke Park will be difficult and I'm out of the country that weekend.
Do you mean Armagh would have a better chance of winning if you were there? ;)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 10:56:00 AMQuote from: naka on May 11, 2025, 09:11:46 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMThink he was trying to buy a free, as a ref I hate that look up at ya, it's like you're begging for a free.
I just seen it live and thought it was just about the correct decision.
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
The BBC went to town on it, purely for a story, some what over egging things, which for me makes it look a bit juvenile
Not sticking up for the ref but the bits I seen (was watching the hurling mainly) he looked like in control and wasn't much controversial decisions
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMTh
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
I genuinely it was a massive call simply because of the time of the free.
Just like goughs decision, referee calls do win and lose games as much as scores
For me it was a free
But as I said two weeks if will be forgone in the context of the season.
Him giving that free in the first few minutes of the game or last has no bearing on what that team does during it. Games are won and lost over the whole time, not the last seconds of extra time. It's cruel that it is late on but that's part of the game.
Chuckling Milltown
Spoken like a true referee
Let's agree to differ
I honestly don't get this group stage thing
Galway/Armagh battled through their province , tough games. And are rewarded the same as Derry, who lost in the Ulster preliminary round.
All three teams get 1 home, 1 away and 1 neutral game
Derry are fresher than both teams, and are well rested
Really, where is the incentive to win your provincial title?
Galway, as the provincial winner in the group , should get 3 home games. Armagh 2. Dublin /Derry 0, and have to play each other in a neutral venue
From this group , Derry (and Dublin) have probably an easier schedule than Armagh , who narrowly missed out on the Ulster title.
A load of bollox (can't let @Rossfan down)
Savage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2025, 11:54:44 AMI honestly don't get this group stage thing
Galway/Armagh battled through their province , tough games. And are rewarded the same as Derry, who lost in the Ulster preliminary round.
All three teams get 1 home, 1 away and 1 neutral game
Derry are fresher than both teams, and are well rested
Really, where is the incentive to win your provincial title?
Galway, as the provincial winner in the group , should get 3 home games. Armagh 2. Dublin /Derry 0, and have to play each other in a neutral venue
From this group , Derry (and Dublin) have probably an easier schedule than Armagh , who narrowly missed out on the Ulster title.
A load of bollox (can't let @Rossfan down)
Some lobsided groups. Monaghan in with Down,Clare and either Louth/meath.
None of them top 6 teams
Quote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
Yeah would agree with that. Few Donegal "fans" deserved slaps the way they were going on although I'll be the first to admit Armagh have plenty of assholes going to games too.
Quote from: naka on May 11, 2025, 11:48:11 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 10:56:00 AMQuote from: naka on May 11, 2025, 09:11:46 AMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMThink he was trying to buy a free, as a ref I hate that look up at ya, it's like you're begging for a free.
I just seen it live and thought it was just about the correct decision.
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
The BBC went to town on it, purely for a story, some what over egging things, which for me makes it look a bit juvenile
Not sticking up for the ref but the bits I seen (was watching the hurling mainly) he looked like in control and wasn't much controversial decisions
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 11, 2025, 08:25:05 AMTh
Another ref could have given him a free, the match though isn't won or lost on those moments, it's because of the time of free that people think it's momentous.
I genuinely it was a massive call simply because of the time of the free.
Just like goughs decision, referee calls do win and lose games as much as scores
For me it was a free
But as I said two weeks if will be forgone in the context of the season.
Him giving that free in the first few minutes of the game or last has no bearing on what that team does during it. Games are won and lost over the whole time, not the last seconds of extra time. It's cruel that it is late on but that's part of the game.
Chuckling Milltown
Spoken like a true referee
Let's agree to differ
I'm not saying that as a ref btw.. I've played and managed, I've walked off from a losing game annoyed over decisions going against me or the team but more annoyed that we'd lost chances to win the game..
But if it's easier to have a scapegoat, then the ref can fill your boots
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2025, 11:29:34 AMQuote from: David McKeown on May 11, 2025, 10:44:20 AMQuote from: Main Street on May 11, 2025, 03:14:24 AMQuote from: David McKeown on May 10, 2025, 10:21:14 PMHaving not seen it back my initial thoughts are these. Great performance from Donegal who fully deserved their win. Comfortably the better side. Decent refereeing performance I thought to bar one or two decisions. Nothings changed on my thoughts on the rules but not allowed to voice that.
Langan Murphy Thompson and Morgan were exceptional. Conaty I thought was best player on the pitch.
Armagh very poor first half with McQuillian looking injured and Murnin and Crealy not looking fully fit.
Donegal seemed to change their defence approach compressing the space between their lines of defenders confusing Armagh. Donegal could and probably should have been out of sight by half time. Poor kicking from Patton kept Armagh in the game.
Armagh showed great grit to get back in to the game and should take some heart from how they fought back.
Both teams will have a big say in the All Ireland series particularly if Armagh get more players back.
I think you are too generous towards Donegal. I thought it was a 50 50 game, Armagh were the better in the 2nd half, that was not just a fightback and incredibly by some freak incidence didn't score a goal from any one of those 3 close encounters.
Methinks Donegal got away with it, they were just one point to the good in the end.
Perhaps as I say I haven't seen it back yet. My impression was that Donegal dominated the first half. Their change to their defensive structure in compacting the distance between their pressing players and deep defenders created problems for Armagh. Going forward Armagh couldn't live with their attacking angles. Armagh were the better team in the second half but to nowhere near the same extent for me.
It's one of the strangest experiences
I've had coming out of an Armagh match in recent years. Usually I look to blame the ref or the manager or something but yesterday I thought I just had to hold my hands up and acknowledge the better team.
That said Donegal got a lot of the luck or rub of the green and I don't mean that in a derogatory manner I just mean in terms of how the ball broke (off the post twice, for their first goal etc). If they hadn't have gotten that they may not had one but I think that just shows how close both teams are.
I'm still heading into the All Ireland series in positive form. Will be tough though. Dublin in Croke Park will be difficult and I'm out of the country that weekend.
Do you mean Armagh would have a better chance of winning if you were there? ;)
No that sentence should have been disjunctive. Damn dyslexia
What's everyone's opinion on lord saviour Murphy getting policed differently yday?
Ref stopped armagh attack so he could stretch
Ref give foul v mcgrane cause murphy shouted
Ref didnt even tick murphy for his usual swinging arm thumps.
Fair play for coming back at his age, but was blatant to see yday be was reffed differently.
Replay would have been the fairest result. Everyone is seemingly forgetting the goal chances armagh missed.
Quote from: rodney trotter on May 11, 2025, 12:17:13 PMQuote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2025, 11:54:44 AMI honestly don't get this group stage thing
Galway/Armagh battled through their province , tough games. And are rewarded the same as Derry, who lost in the Ulster preliminary round.
All three teams get 1 home, 1 away and 1 neutral game
Derry are fresher than both teams, and are well rested
Really, where is the incentive to win your provincial title?
Galway, as the provincial winner in the group , should get 3 home games. Armagh 2. Dublin /Derry 0, and have to play each other in a neutral venue
From this group , Derry (and Dublin) have probably an easier schedule than Armagh , who narrowly missed out on the Ulster title.
A load of bollox (can't let @Rossfan down)
Some lobsided groups. Monaghan in with Down,Clare and either Louth/meath.
None of them top 6 teams
Kerry could in theory win the all Ireland without meeting a division 1 team the earliest they could meet one is after the groups. Armagh will have played 5 by the end of the group stage.
What's the story with Donegal's sub bench? Was it 3 players that returned to the pitch after being subbed off. If I was one of the other subs in the squad and watching men that were clearly out on their feet yesterday in the heat, I'd be wondering at the point of my involvement. Bit of a slap in the face was the rest of the squad.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2025, 11:54:44 AMI honestly don't get this group stage thing
Galway/Armagh battled through their province , tough games. And are rewarded the same as Derry, who lost in the Ulster preliminary round.
All three teams get 1 home, 1 away and 1 neutral game
Derry are fresher than both teams, and are well rested
Really, where is the incentive to win your provincial title?
Galway, as the provincial winner in the group , should get 3 home games. Armagh 2. Dublin /Derry 0, and have to play each other in a neutral venue
From this group , Derry (and Dublin) have probably an easier schedule than Armagh , who narrowly missed out on the Ulster title.
A load of bollox (can't let @Rossfan down)
Very true assessment. Not sure what the advantage is, as you say and then you look at Kerry who can get to 1/4 final stage before they 'potentially' could meet a top 8 team.
System is very lopsided
Your idea of winners getting 3 home games is a good one
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 11, 2025, 09:03:44 AMQuote from: Jim Bob on May 11, 2025, 08:49:06 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 11:19:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:01:54 PMNo matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
He ain't a principal !
Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
Apologies vice principal. Its grand then.
Wouldn't say it's grand. Still a responsible post !
Tyrone well on top here so far, more long kicking in 15 mins than all of the Armagh v Donegal game yesterday.
Watched the game back this morning. The match was refereed fairly well. Few questionable calls but you're always going to get that. Conaty was superb (dunno how Murphy got MOTM ahead of him). Ross played well too. Two evenly matched teams. The luck we had last year deserted us with the first Donegal goal very fortunate and Armagh unlucky just after. Both Armagh goal misses led to Donegal scores so they were massive turning points. Some late hits coming in on Conaty and Soupy.
Obviously disappointing to lose but the biggest concern this morning is the group that the result leaves us in.
As others have said was subject to some disappointing behaviour from Donegal "fans" coming out of the ground.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 11, 2025, 01:18:11 PMWhat's the story with Donegal's sub bench? Was it 3 players that returned to the pitch after being subbed off. If I was one of the other subs in the squad and watching men that were clearly out on their feet yesterday in the heat, I'd be wondering at the point of my involvement. Bit of a slap in the face was the rest of the squad.
Not as much depth as they thought, a definite vote of no confidence in the bench.
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 11, 2025, 01:44:01 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 11, 2025, 09:03:44 AMQuote from: Jim Bob on May 11, 2025, 08:49:06 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 11:19:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:01:54 PMNo matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
He ain't a principal !
Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
Apologies vice principal. Its grand then.
Wouldn't say it's grand. Still a responsible post !
I think there was a touch of sarcasm in saying 'it was grand'
Quote from: Mikhailov on May 11, 2025, 02:36:18 PMQuote from: Jim Bob on May 11, 2025, 01:44:01 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 11, 2025, 09:03:44 AMQuote from: Jim Bob on May 11, 2025, 08:49:06 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 10, 2025, 11:19:50 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 10, 2025, 11:01:54 PMNo matter if the Donegal player was goading, Armagh should be displinced not to run onto the pitch like that. There be def suspensions as 2 men hit him and another rugby tacked him to the ground. And what the f**k was Forker at with McGuiness, he's one of Armaghs most undisplinced players.still think Galway stronger than either team.
He ain't a principal !
Forker has head butted Murphy and went after McGuinness in the last 3 months. Seriously needs to look at himself and the example he sets as a principal.
Apologies vice principal. Its grand then.
Wouldn't say it's grand. Still a responsible post !
I think there was a touch of sarcasm in saying 'it was grand'
What did he do so terrible last nite? If that's too much for kids to see maybe they shudnt be let watch GAA..
Quote from: mackers on May 11, 2025, 02:23:56 PMWatched the game back this morning. The match was refereed fairly well. Few questionable calls but you're always going to get that. Conaty was superb (dunno how Murphy got MOTM ahead of him). Ross played well too. Two evenly matched teams. The luck we had last year deserted us with the first Donegal goal very fortunate and Armagh unlucky just after. Both Armagh goal misses led to Donegal scores so they were massive turning points. Some late hits coming in on Conaty and Soupy.
Obviously disappointing to lose but the biggest concern this morning is the group that the result leaves us in.
As others have said was subject to some disappointing behaviour from Donegal "fans" coming out of the ground.
I think the other group would have been harder. Tyrone are ahead of Dublin for me and we would have had them as an our home game as opposed to the 4th place team. Be interesting from here
Quote from: mackers on May 11, 2025, 02:23:56 PMWatched the game back this morning. The match was refereed fairly well. Few questionable calls but you're always going to get that. Conaty was superb (dunno how Murphy got MOTM ahead of him). Ross played well too. Two evenly matched teams. The luck we had last year deserted us with the first Donegal goal very fortunate and Armagh unlucky just after. Both Armagh goal misses led to Donegal scores so they were massive turning points. Some late hits coming in on Conaty and Soupy.
Obviously disappointing to lose but the biggest concern this morning is the group that the result leaves us in.
As others have said was subject to some disappointing behaviour from Donegal "fans" coming out of the ground.
Agree that Conaty was the best player on the pitch but in a final or big game only an absolute tit would give the MOTM to the loser. I felt for Rafferty getting dragged out to an interview in the middle of celebrating Armagh fans, there would be no joy in looking at that trophy for years to come. At least to Murphy, Gallen or McCole the award would be welcomed.
Quote from: trileacman on May 11, 2025, 03:34:36 PMQuote from: mackers on May 11, 2025, 02:23:56 PMWatched the game back this morning. The match was refereed fairly well. Few questionable calls but you're always going to get that. Conaty was superb (dunno how Murphy got MOTM ahead of him). Ross played well too. Two evenly matched teams. The luck we had last year deserted us with the first Donegal goal very fortunate and Armagh unlucky just after. Both Armagh goal misses led to Donegal scores so they were massive turning points. Some late hits coming in on Conaty and Soupy.
Obviously disappointing to lose but the biggest concern this morning is the group that the result leaves us in.
As others have said was subject to some disappointing behaviour from Donegal "fans" coming out of the ground.
Agree that Conaty was the best player on the pitch but in a final or big game only an absolute tit would give the MOTM to the loser. I felt for Rafferty getting dragged out to an interview in the middle of celebrating Armagh fans, there would be no joy in looking at that trophy for years to come. At least to Murphy, Gallen or McCole the award would be welcomed.
Yeah. You could see Rafferty wanted to be anywhere else
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 11, 2025, 03:53:01 PMQuote from: trileacman on May 11, 2025, 03:34:36 PMQuote from: mackers on May 11, 2025, 02:23:56 PMWatched the game back this morning. The match was refereed fairly well. Few questionable calls but you're always going to get that. Conaty was superb (dunno how Murphy got MOTM ahead of him). Ross played well too. Two evenly matched teams. The luck we had last year deserted us with the first Donegal goal very fortunate and Armagh unlucky just after. Both Armagh goal misses led to Donegal scores so they were massive turning points. Some late hits coming in on Conaty and Soupy.
Obviously disappointing to lose but the biggest concern this morning is the group that the result leaves us in.
As others have said was subject to some disappointing behaviour from Donegal "fans" coming out of the ground.
Agree that Conaty was the best player on the pitch but in a final or big game only an absolute tit would give the MOTM to the loser. I felt for Rafferty getting dragged out to an interview in the middle of celebrating Armagh fans, there would be no joy in looking at that trophy for years to come. At least to Murphy, Gallen or McCole the award would be welcomed.
Yeah. You could see Rafferty wanted to be anywhere else
As I said only a bollix like Philly Mc Mahon could give MOTM to the losers.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
Quote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
They won't be from any club, i can guarantee you that.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2025, 04:52:23 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
They won't be from any club, i can guarantee you that.
Where do these louts get tickets? There are plenty of regular people who had trouble getting tickets. a lot of people at the semi final would not have been able to get a ticket.
Has there been any analysis on the incident where the ball hit the post and stayed in play but the goalkeeper (think it was Patton) prematurely grabbed a ball to take a quick kick out? Surely deliberately introducing a second ball onto the pitch should be a free kick to the other team?
Don't think it happened b4, i say there nothing in the rule book about it, unless inferring with play.
If it's not a rule then it should be. Loophole could exist where a keeper could throw a second ball out to disrupt play
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/sport/gaa/armagh-donegal-gaa-fans-violent-31618206.amp
Quote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
Just out of interest, how do you know they were from
Lurgan
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 11, 2025, 05:57:37 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
Just out of interest, how do you know they were from
Lurgan
A) One of them of yelling he was from Lurgan
B) Plus the accents
Michael Murphy is an immense player for Donegal, he always turns up for the big games.
He is a great player and a leader both on and off the pitch.
You can win all-irelands with players like him.
Quote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 06:05:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 11, 2025, 05:57:37 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
Just out of interest, how do you know they were from
Lurgan
A) One of them of yelling he was from Lurgan
B) Plus the accents
Pretty conclusive then haha
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2025, 04:52:23 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
They won't be from any club, i can guarantee you that.
I don't understand why you would think that? Club players are involved in brawls on a weekly basis all around Ireland yet you don't seem to think they are capable of misbehaving on a terrace? At the recent Ulster finals I went to the gangs of youth were actually wearing club gear which throws your point up in the air.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2025, 12:19:31 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
Yeah would agree with that. Few Donegal "fans" deserved slaps the way they were going on although I'll be the first to admit Armagh have plenty of assholes going to games too.
Armagh people don't have much room to complain about comments when some of them make "Londonderry" jibes at games.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 11, 2025, 05:10:25 PMQuote from: RedHand88 on May 11, 2025, 04:52:23 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
They won't be from any club, i can guarantee you that.
Where do these louts get tickets? There are plenty of regular people who had trouble getting tickets. a lot of people at the semi final would not have been able to get a ticket.
They get tickets because they are most likely club members like the rest of you. Club members can be thugs too contrary to belief here.
Quote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 06:05:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 11, 2025, 05:57:37 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
Just out of interest, how do you know they were from
Lurgan
A) One of them of yelling he was from Lurgan
B) Plus the accents
Why would anyone go to a game to shout out where they're from, strange behaviour.
Quote from: balladmaker on May 11, 2025, 08:05:40 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 06:05:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 11, 2025, 05:57:37 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
Just out of interest, how do you know they were from
Lurgan
A) One of them of yelling he was from Lurgan
B) Plus the accents
Why would anyone go to a game to shout out where they're from, strange behaviour.
I think he was as high as a kite.
Quote from: Norm-Peterson on May 11, 2025, 07:45:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2025, 12:19:31 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
Yeah would agree with that. Few Donegal "fans" deserved slaps the way they were going on although I'll be the first to admit Armagh have plenty of assholes going to games too.
Armagh people don't have much room to complain about comments when some of them make "Londonderry" jibes at games.
Genuinely have never ever heard that from an Armagh person. Anyone saying that is nothing but an arsehole.
Quote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 09:38:46 PMQuote from: balladmaker on May 11, 2025, 08:05:40 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 06:05:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 11, 2025, 05:57:37 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
Just out of interest, how do you know they were from
Lurgan
A) One of them of yelling he was from Lurgan
B) Plus the accents
Why would anyone go to a game to shout out where they're from, strange behaviour.
I think he was as high as a kite.
In all fsirness the big population centres- mostly Armagh, Keady and especially Lurgan seem to produce their fair share of wankers st games.
Armagh not able to take their beating yesterday. The scenes at the end marred what was a great game.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2025, 10:17:38 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on May 11, 2025, 07:45:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2025, 12:19:31 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
Yeah would agree with that. Few Donegal "fans" deserved slaps the way they were going on although I'll be the first to admit Armagh have plenty of assholes going to games too.
Armagh people don't have much room to complain about comments when some of them make "Londonderry" jibes at games.
Genuinely have never ever heard that from an Armagh person. Anyone saying that is nothing but an arsehole.
Heard it from Armagh folk long before I heard it from anyone else. Only ever heard it song by Armagh and Tyrone folk.
Did ye hear Jacqui Hurley saying about ugly scenes ruining the Ulster Final 'yet again'. McGinley quietly put her right, but should have asked her for an explanation.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2025, 10:17:38 PMQuote from: Norm-Peterson on May 11, 2025, 07:45:55 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2025, 12:19:31 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
Yeah would agree with that. Few Donegal "fans" deserved slaps the way they were going on although I'll be the first to admit Armagh have plenty of assholes going to games too.
Armagh people don't have much room to complain about comments when some of them make "Londonderry" jibes at games.
Genuinely have never ever heard that from an Armagh person. Anyone saying that is nothing but an arsehole.
First heard Tyrone ones at it after 1993 going up the hill at Clones in response to: "there'll never be a Sam in Tyrone"... I never liked that L'Derry response... tho the Sam chant is well defunct... 4
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 11, 2025, 11:54:44 AMI honestly don't get this group stage thing
Galway/Armagh battled through their province , tough games. And are rewarded the same as Derry, who lost in the Ulster preliminary round.
All three teams get 1 home, 1 away and 1 neutral game
Derry are fresher than both teams, and are well rested
Really, where is the incentive to win your provincial title?
Galway, as the provincial winner in the group , should get 3 home games. Armagh 2. Dublin /Derry 0, and have to play each other in a neutral venue
From this group , Derry (and Dublin) have probably an easier schedule than Armagh , who narrowly missed out on the Ulster title.
A load of bollox (can't let @Rossfan down)
You just have to look at them as separate competitions.
The much derided group system, which is the fairest system we've ever had unfortunately comes to an end this year.
This was the first time that every team in the Sam Maguire series started off with 3 games against relatively similar levels of opponents, granted some groups will be easier than others, but that's because we reward the provincials too much and because we probably don't have 16 teams capable of competing.
The group stages meant that Kerry in particular (and Dublin) no longer had the luxury of a straight passage to a quarter final.
They complained about lack of jeopardy, and the same commentators complained about making teams play for 3 weeks in a row - missing the point that this was the jeopardy!
Winning a group guaranteed a week off, coming second got you a home game against a third placed team - definite rewards there for finishing 1st above second and second above third.
All that said, a couple of simple tweaks could easily have solved the twin objectives of hugely increasing jeopardy and avoiding dead rubbers.
Reduce the number of third placed teams qualifying to 3 or even 2.
That would see the 4 group winners and the best (or two best) second placed teams go straight into the quarters. The next runners up with the worst records would then play off against the best 3rd placed teams for those quarter final spots.
To give more reward for provincial wins, give them 2 games at home, same with the next 4 teams in the rankings.
1st seeds are provincial winners and all other seedings are based on league position, that increases the importance of the league.
To me, something along the lines above could have been an excellent competition, much fairer than what we are reverting to, give a better reward for provincial winners and increase the relevance of the league, but, media frenzy prevailed.....
Quote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
I'd well believe that Orior. By no means am I saying Donegal fans were the only set up to no good. And when you add up all that behaviour and those riling comments, then you get scenes like you get in that shop after the game. Inevitable, but also embarrassing.
I must say, it was a much better experience getting out of Clones this year. The Guards seemed to have it all running a bit better.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 11, 2025, 10:19:12 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 09:38:46 PMQuote from: balladmaker on May 11, 2025, 08:05:40 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 06:05:12 PMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 11, 2025, 05:57:37 PMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
Just out of interest, how do you know they were from
Lurgan
A) One of them of yelling he was from Lurgan
B) Plus the accents
Why would anyone go to a game to shout out where they're from, strange behaviour.
I think he was as high as a kite.
In all fsirness the big population centres- mostly Armagh, Keady and especially Lurgan seem to produce their fair share of wankers st games.
every area has them. Not long ago i seen a bunch of lads from south armagh battering the heads of each other in the toilets at CP
Donegal v Armagh largely went as expected. Donegal showing they looked like the better team by pulling ahead, but Armagh come back to make it a tight cagey affair. I'm sure the heat played a part, but Donegal looked dead on their feet from about half way through the 2nd half. It felt a bit like a fitter Armagh team putting it to a stronger Donegal team.
I was surprised at that tbh as I thought Donegal would be at least on a par on fitness.
It was an exciting game, but any better than the previous 2 Ulster Finals? I don't think so - they were cagey affairs too. All this fawning over it being "a game for the ages", according to Sean Cavanagh, is a bit much. These pundits seem unable to say anything that will cast any kind of doubt over the new rules - which I don't think did anything to make this a better game.
On balance, I think Donegal were the better side over the entirety of the game - but there are question marks over the strength of the bench when you see them bringing players back on who had already been taken off. Both teams are not as good as people think imo, but both will come out of their groups and will likely go deep into the championship.
Enjoyable match.
Scenes at the end will do Armagh no favours and I'd assume there'll be a couple of suspensions as a result and deservedly so. No need for it. And yeah you could say the Donegal player didn't need to be goading, but I'd also say Armagh were doing plenty of that during the game. One example was Ross McQuillan running 20 yards to have a bit of goading at the Donegal keeper after scoring a point. If you're going to give it, you have to be able to take it too. No place for players running onto a field to punch a man and no excuses either.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 09:15:42 AMDonegal v Armagh largely went as expected. Donegal showing they looked like the better team by pulling ahead, but Armagh come back to make it a tight cagey affair. I'm sure the heat played a part, but Donegal looked dead on their feet from about half way through the 2nd half. It felt a bit like a fitter Armagh team putting it to a stronger Donegal team.
I was surprised at that tbh as I thought Donegal would be at least on a par on fitness.
It was an exciting game, but any better than the previous 2 Ulster Finals? I don't think so - they were cagey affairs too. All this fawning over it being "a game for the ages", according to Sean Cavanagh, is a bit much. These pundits seem unable to say anything that will cast any kind of doubt over the new rules - which I don't think did anything to make this a better game.
On balance, I think Donegal were the better side over the entirety of the game - but there are question marks over the strength of the bench when you see them bringing players back on who had already been taken off. Both teams are not as good as people think imo, but both will come out of their groups and will likely go deep into the championship.
Enjoyable match.
Scenes at the end will do Armagh no favours and I'd assume there'll be a couple of suspensions as a result and deservedly so. No need for it. And yeah you could say the Donegal player didn't need to be goading, but I'd also say Armagh were doing plenty of that during the game. One example was Ross McQuillan running 20 yards to have a bit of goading at the Donegal keeper after scoring a point. If you're going to give it, you have to be able to take it too. No place for players running onto a field to punch a man and no excuses either.
I noticed that alright. What was that about? Did something happen prior to that that wasn't on TV. It's rare you see a player going at the keeper like that.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on May 12, 2025, 09:22:08 AMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 09:15:42 AMDonegal v Armagh largely went as expected. Donegal showing they looked like the better team by pulling ahead, but Armagh come back to make it a tight cagey affair. I'm sure the heat played a part, but Donegal looked dead on their feet from about half way through the 2nd half. It felt a bit like a fitter Armagh team putting it to a stronger Donegal team.
I was surprised at that tbh as I thought Donegal would be at least on a par on fitness.
It was an exciting game, but any better than the previous 2 Ulster Finals? I don't think so - they were cagey affairs too. All this fawning over it being "a game for the ages", according to Sean Cavanagh, is a bit much. These pundits seem unable to say anything that will cast any kind of doubt over the new rules - which I don't think did anything to make this a better game.
On balance, I think Donegal were the better side over the entirety of the game - but there are question marks over the strength of the bench when you see them bringing players back on who had already been taken off. Both teams are not as good as people think imo, but both will come out of their groups and will likely go deep into the championship.
Enjoyable match.
Scenes at the end will do Armagh no favours and I'd assume there'll be a couple of suspensions as a result and deservedly so. No need for it. And yeah you could say the Donegal player didn't need to be goading, but I'd also say Armagh were doing plenty of that during the game. One example was Ross McQuillan running 20 yards to have a bit of goading at the Donegal keeper after scoring a point. If you're going to give it, you have to be able to take it too. No place for players running onto a field to punch a man and no excuses either.
I noticed that alright. What was that about? Did something happen prior to that that wasn't on TV. It's rare you see a player going at the keeper like that.
There was a bit of niggle between the two just before the parade and they were yelling at each other just in front of me so I imagine it was a hangover from that. Doesn't excuse it mind.
On suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is actually true is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 09:15:42 AMDonegal v Armagh largely went as expected. Donegal showing they looked like the better team by pulling ahead, but Armagh come back to make it a tight cagey affair. I'm sure the heat played a part, but Donegal looked dead on their feet from about half way through the 2nd half. It felt a bit like a fitter Armagh team putting it to a stronger Donegal team.
I was surprised at that tbh as I thought Donegal would be at least on a par on fitness.
It was an exciting game, but any better than the previous 2 Ulster Finals? I don't think so - they were cagey affairs too. All this fawning over it being "a game for the ages", according to Sean Cavanagh, is a bit much. These pundits seem unable to say anything that will cast any kind of doubt over the new rules - which I don't think did anything to make this a better game.
On balance, I think Donegal were the better side over the entirety of the game - but there are question marks over the strength of the bench when you see them bringing players back on who had already been taken off. Both teams are not as good as people think imo, but both will come out of their groups and will likely go deep into the championship.
Enjoyable match.
Scenes at the end will do Armagh no favours and I'd assume there'll be a couple of suspensions as a result and deservedly so. No need for it. And yeah you could say the Donegal player didn't need to be goading, but I'd also say Armagh were doing plenty of that during the game. One example was Ross McQuillan running 20 yards to have a bit of goading at the Donegal keeper after scoring a point. If you're going to give it, you have to be able to take it too. No place for players running onto a field to punch a man and no excuses either.
I'd agree T. I dont think that the rule changes have improved the spectacle really, and if anything I think last year's Ulster Final was probably better. We certainly arent seeing any increase in use of the the footpass. Team's are still well able to keep the ball for long periods and run down the clock when necessary.
The 2 point probably needs to go.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 12, 2025, 08:13:30 AMQuote from: Orior on May 11, 2025, 04:51:21 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 11, 2025, 12:08:41 PMSavage effort put in by both sets of players in that cauldron. You can't help but have huge respect.I don't think at any stage did I think Armagh are the team to win this though. Perfect day and no real 2 point threat. Maybe a returning Rian will help that later in the year.
Just a note on the "supporters" around me. The Donegal bucks with their repeated English soccer style chants about a former Armagh player and his ongoing legal case, similar style chants about another returned player and his alleged lifestyle choices, repeated shouts of "orange bastids", and "bring back the RUC" for some reason. The Armagh bucks in front of me barely looked in the direction of the pitch and instead it was just an opportunity for a social gathering and a chat with mates. Wasted tickets imo.
I had a crowd of Lurgan fans behind me on the hill. Good singing when Soupy came on but someone from the same group was throwing bottles of coke with the top off. I can pm you a photo of said group if you so desire. (Not sure which club they were from)
I'd well believe that Orior. By no means am I saying Donegal fans were the only set up to no good. And when you add up all that behaviour and those riling comments, then you get scenes like you get in that shop after the game. Inevitable, but also embarrassing.
I must say, it was a much better experience getting out of Clones this year. The Guards seemed to have it all running a bit better.
Not my experience unfortunately. Stuck in a car park for an hour and a half with not a single car getting out onto the road. Won't be using that one again!
On the both teams are not as good as everyone thinks - I'd sort of agree but who is the standout? the 'big 4' are all pretty similar standard. I've said Galway for Sam from day one, but doesn't mean Armagh or Donegal couldn't take them in a one off game. As Saturday clearly showed you need luck to win anything in games of small margins.
The "how good" are the teams is all BS. What has been said that leaves the two teams "that good"? All that has been said is that both teams are contenders which remains the same. Galway didn't exactly blow Mayo away in the Connacht final but that doesn't stop them being strong contenders for Sam either. Kerry struggled to beat Cork who were playing in Division 2 last year.
Nothing between 4 or 5 teams. Will come down to very fine margins, luck, injuries, ref calls on the day. Sounds cliched. But can't see one team on a pre destined path to winning it.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 09:15:42 AMDonegal v Armagh largely went as expected. Donegal showing they looked like the better team by pulling ahead, but Armagh come back to make it a tight cagey affair. I'm sure the heat played a part, but Donegal looked dead on their feet from about half way through the 2nd half. It felt a bit like a fitter Armagh team putting it to a stronger Donegal team.
I was surprised at that tbh as I thought Donegal would be at least on a par on fitness.
It was an exciting game, but any better than the previous 2 Ulster Finals? I don't think so - they were cagey affairs too. All this fawning over it being "a game for the ages", according to Sean Cavanagh, is a bit much. These pundits seem unable to say anything that will cast any kind of doubt over the new rules - which I don't think did anything to make this a better game.
On balance, I think Donegal were the better side over the entirety of the game - but there are question marks over the strength of the bench when you see them bringing players back on who had already been taken off. Both teams are not as good as people think imo, but both will come out of their groups and will likely go deep into the championship.
Enjoyable match.
Scenes at the end will do Armagh no favours and I'd assume there'll be a couple of suspensions as a result and deservedly so. No need for it. And yeah you could say the Donegal player didn't need to be goading, but I'd also say Armagh were doing plenty of that during the game. One example was Ross McQuillan running 20 yards to have a bit of goading at the Donegal keeper after scoring a point. If you're going to give it, you have to be able to take it too. No place for players running onto a field to punch a man and no excuses either.
dont disagree with this but Ross hardly ran 20 yards. He had fisted the ball over the bar and was running towards the goals anyway. Still needless
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2025, 10:34:03 AMNothing between 4 or 5 teams. Will come down to very fine margins, luck, injuries, ref calls on the day. Sounds cliched. But can't see one team on a pre destined path to winning it.
If any of these teams plays one of the others and misses goals as Armagh did on Saturday then the other team will proceed.
Quote from: Armamike on May 12, 2025, 10:34:03 AMNothing between 4 or 5 teams. Will come down to very fine margins, luck, injuries, ref calls on the day. Sounds cliched. But can't see one team on a pre destined path to winning it.
100%
You've got, Armagh, Donegal, Kerry, Galway and possibly Dublin. I wouldnt like to be betting the farm on a game between any of those.
No prizes for guessing the name of the club that so-called fans who caused the trouble in the Topaz are attached to. County board needs to take action as it's always the same culprits.
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on May 12, 2025, 12:14:44 PMNo prizes for guessing the name of the club that so-called fans who caused the trouble in the Topaz are attached to. County board needs to take action as it's always the same culprits.
Aghagallon?
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on May 12, 2025, 12:14:44 PMNo prizes for guessing the name of the club that so-called fans who caused the trouble in the Topaz are attached to. County board needs to take action as it's always the same culprits.
Kilcoo?
Ulster Final "marred" ... oh shut up - bunch of saft 'uns we have in the GAA trying to sanitise everything. There was a bit of handbags and riling going on during the height of extreme emotion...between 2 teams and supporters who don't like each other.
In years to come they'll be chatting and laughing about it on podcasts just like Armagh and Tyrone from the 00s.
Quote from: Spiderlegs on May 12, 2025, 12:40:19 PMUlster Final "marred" ... oh shut up - bunch of saft 'uns we have in the GAA trying to sanitise everything. There was a bit of handbags and riling going on during the height of extreme emotion...between 2 teams and supporters who don't like each other.
In years to come they'll be chatting and laughing about it on podcasts just like Armagh and Tyrone from the 00s.
That's a poor call Spiderlegs.
I've a pretty strong constitution when it comes to aggressive play. I've often said on here what when two lads are both happy to swing a few punches at each other, then the best thing a referee can do is step out of the way.
But people running from the bench to throw digs at those on the field? No. That's chaos. The kind of chaos that in a club match turns into a full scale melee. In a club juvenile match it ends up in child protection gone amok, and court cases to follow.
It needs a hefty punishment. Like proper, meaty, rest of the summer punishment.
Quote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 12:23:28 PMQuote from: Armagh4sam2024 on May 12, 2025, 12:14:44 PMNo prizes for guessing the name of the club that so-called fans who caused the trouble in the Topaz are attached to. County board needs to take action as it's always the same culprits.
Kilcoo?
;D ;D ;D
Big Four(Armagh, Donegal, Galway & Kerry) is a fair assessment at this point. I defer to history: McGuinness lost the 2011 Semi Final then won it all next year. Lost the 2024 SF...
Thanks to the rule changes, there's great potential for a big surprise this year. I think Cork and Meath will be dangerous opponents. I also haven't forgotten that 14 months ago Derry was THE TEAM. Now they're written off for dead. Premature? Tyrone is likely a year or two away.
Quote from: EoinW on May 12, 2025, 01:13:46 PMBig Four(Armagh, Donegal, Galway & Kerry) is a fair assessment at this point. I defer to history: McGuinness lost the 2011 Semi Final then won it all next year. Lost the 2024 SF...
Thanks to the rule changes, there's great potential for a big surprise this year. I think Cork and Meath will be dangerous opponents. I also haven't forgotten that 14 months ago Derry was THE TEAM. Now they're written off for dead. Premature? Tyrone is likely a year or two away.
So much depends on how the draw falls further down the line, I'd have Galway or Kerry as possible finalists but were they to be drawn in together in a semi final then one of them is out. As you say there could well be a big surprise this year, bound to be a few teams from Groups 2 and 3 thinking they can make a quarter final at the very least.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 01:01:20 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
What was said is the usual shite that comes from a 26 county team playing a 6 county team. Given he run in front of a defeated opposition dugout he run the risk of getting what he got. I've been told that the player in question is a member of the Irish Armed Forces and I know for a fact that he was heavily involved in similar verbals in the row in Letterkenny a few years back.
Quote from: EoinW on May 12, 2025, 01:13:46 PMBig Four(Armagh, Donegal, Galway & Kerry) is a fair assessment at this point. I defer to history: McGuinness lost the 2011 Semi Final then won it all next year. Lost the 2024 SF...
Thanks to the rule changes, there's great potential for a big surprise this year. I think Cork and Meath will be dangerous opponents. I also haven't forgotten that 14 months ago Derry was THE TEAM. Now they're written off for dead. Premature? Tyrone is likely a year or two away.
derry will fancy their chances
they arent a bad side overnight
they have galway at home and dublin in a neutral venue as well as armagh after another final defeat
I didnt get to see the Sunday game and havent watched the match back yet was there anything on official cameras and/or did the referee take any action?
Just listened to the BBC's GAA Social podcast and it was like a dour commiserations show for Armagh. What's that about? I'm not even sure if the host mentioned the actual winners once during their coverage of the match.
Is it just meant to focus on the six counties or something like that?
Quote from: mackers on May 12, 2025, 01:40:44 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 01:01:20 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
What was said is the usual shite that comes from a 26 county team playing a 6 county team. Given he run in front of a defeated opposition dugout he run the risk of getting what he got. I've been told that the player in question is a member of the Irish Armed Forces and I know for a fact that he was heavily involved in similar verbals in the row in Letterkenny a few years back.
More of the old hierarchy of Irishness then?
Quote from: David McKeown on May 12, 2025, 01:52:30 PMI didnt get to see the Sunday game and havent watched the match back yet was there anything on official cameras and/or did the referee take any action?
On the Sunday Game they said they had no official footage, just social media, and which was hard to identify players.
Quote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 02:28:50 PMQuote from: mackers on May 12, 2025, 01:40:44 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 01:01:20 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
What was said is the usual shite that comes from a 26 county team playing a 6 county team. Given he run in front of a defeated opposition dugout he run the risk of getting what he got. I've been told that the player in question is a member of the Irish Armed Forces and I know for a fact that he was heavily involved in similar verbals in the row in Letterkenny a few years back.
was obvious that when mc fadden ferry was calling them british ....... that a guy from south armagh would correct him
Well deserved if thats what he was saying.
I personally think that defeat for Armagh will galvanise them and push them on, Armagh will get stronger as the injured men start to return and get fitness and sharpness back. RON will need some major training and fitness to get back to that level but what a player to come back too, Armagh with a siege mentality and getting stronger as the Championship goes on will be a handling for any team. I feel the team that beats Armagh will likely win SAM.
Quote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 02:28:50 PMQuote from: mackers on May 12, 2025, 01:40:44 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 01:01:20 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
What was said is the usual shite that comes from a 26 county team playing a 6 county team. Given he run in front of a defeated opposition dugout he run the risk of getting what he got. I've been told that the player in question is a member of the Irish Armed Forces and I know for a fact that he was heavily involved in similar verbals in the row in Letterkenny a few years back.
was obvious that when mc fadden ferry was calling them british ....... that a guy from south armagh would correct him
How was that obvious? Seems unlikely a native speaker from the Gaeltacht would say something like that.
Does this claim have any basis whatsoever or is it just further deflection from the violence?
Quote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 02:48:47 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 02:28:50 PMQuote from: mackers on May 12, 2025, 01:40:44 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 01:01:20 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
What was said is the usual shite that comes from a 26 county team playing a 6 county team. Given he run in front of a defeated opposition dugout he run the risk of getting what he got. I've been told that the player in question is a member of the Irish Armed Forces and I know for a fact that he was heavily involved in similar verbals in the row in Letterkenny a few years back.
was obvious that when mc fadden ferry was calling them british ....... that a guy from south armagh would correct him
How was that obvious? Seems unlikely a native speaker from the Gaeltacht would say something like that.
Does this claim have any basis whatsoever or is it just further deflection from the violence?
Yeah. Similar stories about that bastard from the previous row with Donegal as well. Didn't box him hard enough.
Quote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 02:48:47 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 02:28:50 PMQuote from: mackers on May 12, 2025, 01:40:44 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 01:01:20 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
What was said is the usual shite that comes from a 26 county team playing a 6 county team. Given he run in front of a defeated opposition dugout he run the risk of getting what he got. I've been told that the player in question is a member of the Irish Armed Forces and I know for a fact that he was heavily involved in similar verbals in the row in Letterkenny a few years back.
was obvious that when mc fadden ferry was calling them british ....... that a guy from south armagh would correct him
How was that obvious? Seems unlikely a native speaker from the Gaeltacht would say something like that.
Does this claim have any basis whatsoever or is it just further deflection from the violence?
There'll be stewards that can act as independent witnesses. We'll see what comes out in the investigation. If correct he should get a suspension that matches any given to anyone throwing digs.
What the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
The answer to that is staring you in the face. Your obvious dislike for Armagh is blinding you here. You post more on Armagh than you do Derry FFS.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
nothing you need to worry about
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 02:51:15 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 02:48:47 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 02:28:50 PMQuote from: mackers on May 12, 2025, 01:40:44 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 01:01:20 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
What was said is the usual shite that comes from a 26 county team playing a 6 county team. Given he run in front of a defeated opposition dugout he run the risk of getting what he got. I've been told that the player in question is a member of the Irish Armed Forces and I know for a fact that he was heavily involved in similar verbals in the row in Letterkenny a few years back.
was obvious that when mc fadden ferry was calling them british ....... that a guy from south armagh would correct him
How was that obvious? Seems unlikely a native speaker from the Gaeltacht would say something like that.
Does this claim have any basis whatsoever or is it just further deflection from the violence?
Yeah. Similar stories about that bastard from the previous row with Donegal as well. Didn't box him hard enough.
So no basis at all then? Sure if we're just basing it on things that have apparently happened in the past then Armagh have plenty of previous in terms of violence on the pitch. Doesn't seem to require someone saying something upsetting to get them going.
How did they manage to control themselves a few years ago and not on Saturday?
Justifying violence in response to words really isn't a good look lads, I'm sorry.
Quote from: mackers on May 12, 2025, 01:40:44 PMQuote from: tbrick18 on May 12, 2025, 01:01:20 PMQuote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 09:35:58 AMOn suspensions it will be both sides getting them and if videos are correct it should be Armagh reserves and mc faddrn ferry ( his choice language if what is being said is quite the comment )
Tyrone and Derry will be content
I only saw a video that I couldn't make out players from but seemed to be all Armagh doing the punching. What did Donegal players do to warrant suspension? Genuine question by the way....only saw some videos doing the rounds and what was on tv.
What was said is the usual shite that comes from a 26 county team playing a 6 county team. Given he run in front of a defeated opposition dugout he run the risk of getting what he got. I've been told that the player in question is a member of the Irish Armed Forces and I know for a fact that he was heavily involved in similar verbals in the row in Letterkenny a few years back.
Ah, got you.
Hate that crap and its a disgrace. Is there a rule that means players can get suspended for that? If not, there should be.
I do disagree with you though about the part where he can "run the risk of getting what he got". Should never be that risk on a football field, no matter what.
as i said a few will get suspensions
both teams have hard games coming up and both Tyrone and Derry will be happy enough where they sit going into the game.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Say theres a difference in a player in the middle of the game trying to get into a keepers head and put him under pressure and a tr**p calling fellow Irish men Brits. Couldn't bate him hard enough.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 12:23:28 PMQuote from: Armagh4sam2024 on May 12, 2025, 12:14:44 PMNo prizes for guessing the name of the club that so-called fans who caused the trouble in the Topaz are attached to. County board needs to take action as it's always the same culprits.
Kilcoo?
I did see a sheep being thrown all right
Quote from: Armagh4sam2024 on May 12, 2025, 12:14:44 PMNo prizes for guessing the name of the club that so-called fans who caused the trouble in the Topaz are attached to. County board needs to take action as it's always the same culprits.
I might be missing the obvious here
Calling someone Brits,? you men not play Monaghan before.It's the standard line from them, foreby taking the Queens pound.
Galway game last year, and number of supporters (not young either) there British bastard this, and that. when McKinless got send off, and no i didn't let it go either, but u wonder what down Souths general attitude is to the wee 6, then this is a standard line from them.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:16:13 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Say theres a difference in a player in the middle of the game trying to get into a keepers head and put him under pressure and a tr**p calling fellow Irish men Brits. Couldn't bate him hard enough.
So your argument boils down to if someone believes the words are mean enough then assault is a justified response? No surprise we saw that on Saturday if that's the mentality held by some. Puzzling.
Quote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 03:40:31 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:16:13 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Say theres a difference in a player in the middle of the game trying to get into a keepers head and put him under pressure and a tr**p calling fellow Irish men Brits. Couldn't bate him hard enough.
So your argument boils down to if someone believes the words are mean enough then assault is a justified response? No surprise we saw that on Saturday if that's the mentality held by some. Puzzling.
Yep. Big problem in the world is that a lot of people seem to think they can say and do what they like with no repercussions. Sometimes a belt in the jaw is not only justified but badly needed.
No more woke solving issues with words, Trump inspired slaps are the future!
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:42:38 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 03:40:31 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:16:13 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Say theres a difference in a player in the middle of the game trying to get into a keepers head and put him under pressure and a tr**p calling fellow Irish men Brits. Couldn't bate him hard enough.
So your argument boils down to if someone believes the words are mean enough then assault is a justified response? No surprise we saw that on Saturday if that's the mentality held by some. Puzzling.
Yep. Big problem in the world is that a lot of people seem to think they can say and do what they like with no repercussions. Sometimes a belt in the jaw is not only justified but badly needed.
Jim McGuinness would have been justified in belting Aidan Forker in the jaw then?
Forker was up roaring in his face at the end of the game, looked like something nasty was being said.
Quote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 04:02:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:42:38 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 03:40:31 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:16:13 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Say theres a difference in a player in the middle of the game trying to get into a keepers head and put him under pressure and a tr**p calling fellow Irish men Brits. Couldn't bate him hard enough.
So your argument boils down to if someone believes the words are mean enough then assault is a justified response? No surprise we saw that on Saturday if that's the mentality held by some. Puzzling.
Yep. Big problem in the world is that a lot of people seem to think they can say and do what they like with no repercussions. Sometimes a belt in the jaw is not only justified but badly needed.
Jim McGuinness would have been justified in belting Aidan Forker in the jaw then?
Forker was up roaring in his face at the end of the game, looked like something nasty was being said.
Honestly didn't see that and don't know. But knowing Aidan he wasn't asking Jim round for tea. Highly doubt he was calling him a Brit or anything like that though.
A good slap in the mouth will do McFadden Ferry no harm. He was due it. His Letterkenny antics in 2022 started off a sizable melee. I totally understand his emotions are high at the end of tight wins against a big rival, but humility in victory is a virtue that he lacks. Plenty of others lack it too, but just like many want to say Armagh are a common denominator in these skirmishes, he is personally and directly responsible for two of them against Armagh.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 04:15:52 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 04:02:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:42:38 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 03:40:31 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:16:13 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Say theres a difference in a player in the middle of the game trying to get into a keepers head and put him under pressure and a tr**p calling fellow Irish men Brits. Couldn't bate him hard enough.
So your argument boils down to if someone believes the words are mean enough then assault is a justified response? No surprise we saw that on Saturday if that's the mentality held by some. Puzzling.
Yep. Big problem in the world is that a lot of people seem to think they can say and do what they like with no repercussions. Sometimes a belt in the jaw is not only justified but badly needed.
Jim McGuinness would have been justified in belting Aidan Forker in the jaw then?
Forker was up roaring in his face at the end of the game, looked like something nasty was being said.
Honestly didn't see that and don't know. But knowing Aidan he wasn't asking Jim round for tea. Highly doubt he was calling him a Brit or anything like that though.
It's on the TV coverage at the end of the game, very clear footage.
You said a couple of comments ago if someone has interpreted the words as nasty enough then they are justified in responding with violence. You don't know what McFadden Ferry said and you don't know what Forker said, yet you think violence is an appropriate response in only one of the two scenarios?
Maybe I'm wasting my time appealing to logic here.
let the disciplinary resolve this
which i hope it will
and we can get back to the game
Quote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 04:34:02 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 04:15:52 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 04:02:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:42:38 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 03:40:31 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:16:13 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Say theres a difference in a player in the middle of the game trying to get into a keepers head and put him under pressure and a tr**p calling fellow Irish men Brits. Couldn't bate him hard enough.
So your argument boils down to if someone believes the words are mean enough then assault is a justified response? No surprise we saw that on Saturday if that's the mentality held by some. Puzzling.
Yep. Big problem in the world is that a lot of people seem to think they can say and do what they like with no repercussions. Sometimes a belt in the jaw is not only justified but badly needed.
Jim McGuinness would have been justified in belting Aidan Forker in the jaw then?
Forker was up roaring in his face at the end of the game, looked like something nasty was being said.
Honestly didn't see that and don't know. But knowing Aidan he wasn't asking Jim round for tea. Highly doubt he was calling him a Brit or anything like that though.
It's on the TV coverage at the end of the game, very clear footage.
You said a couple of comments ago if someone has interpreted the words as nasty enough then they are justified in responding with violence. You don't know what McFadden Ferry said and you don't know what Forker said, yet you think violence is an appropriate response in only one of the two scenarios?
Maybe I'm wasting my time appealing to logic here.
Won't be watching that back for a while anyway, maybe if we win an Ulster I will! May leave it at that.
Quote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 04:43:12 PMlet the disciplinary resolve this
which i hope it will
and we can get back to the game
It's not going to be enough of a punishment though. Daddy Jarlath will make sure of that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 03:33:13 PMGalway game last year, and number of supporters (not young either) there British bastard this, and that. when McKinless got send off, and no i didn't let it go either, but u wonder what down Souths general attitude is to the wee 6, then this is a standard line from them.
Watched the guards at that game having to have a word with an elderly lady from Galway about her behaviour. Disappointing to say the least.
Quote from: Spiderlegs on May 12, 2025, 04:29:46 PMA good slap in the mouth will do McFadden Ferry no harm. He was due it. His Letterkenny antics in 2022 started off a sizable melee. I totally understand his emotions are high at the end of tight wins against a big rival, but humility in victory is a virtue that he lacks. Plenty of others lack it too, but just like many want to say Armagh are a common denominator in these skirmishes, he is personally and directly responsible for two of them against Armagh.
Was said player not involved in an incident in an Ulster Club against Crossmaglen a number of years ago too ?
While those that threw the digs will get a ban he deserves as big a one. I hate this mouthing crap. Needs stopped - full stop. I help with an underage team and if we catch any player mouthing he is dragged off.
Firstly, a brilliant game; v little between Donegal, Armagh and Tyrone. Add in Galway, Kerry and Dublin and this year's Sam could be the best ever, augmented by the new rules. And Mayo could put it up to any of them on the day, tho not potential winners, I think.
We now enter the phoney war of the group stage, which I do think needs to be reconsidered
Be interesting to see what action if any is taken. Armagh can could themselves lucky that Burns is in charge.
Plenty to say about Gallagher nothing to say about Nugent or rows involving Armagh.
Quote from: befair on May 12, 2025, 07:46:31 PMWe now enter the phoney war of the group stage, which I do think needs to be reconsidered
Have you been out of the Country ?
A new system introduced for 2026 at the Congress back in February.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 12, 2025, 08:04:42 PMBe interesting to see what action if any is taken. Armagh can could themselves lucky that Burns is in charge.
Plenty to say about Gallagher nothing to say about Nugent or rows involving Armagh.
I'm sure he has had plenty to say about Nugent behind the scenes. Wrongly mind as the lad is innocent til proven guilty. But Burns obviously can't comment on an ongoing legal case as I'm sure u know.
Quote from: naka on May 12, 2025, 04:43:12 PMlet the disciplinary resolve this
which i hope it will
and we can get back to the game
Feck off I am busy enough
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 12, 2025, 08:04:42 PMBe interesting to see what action if any is taken. Armagh can could themselves lucky that Burns is in charge.
Plenty to say about Gallagher nothing to say about Nugent or rows involving Armagh.
I can't believe the amount of people saying this on social media too. It's very simple, Burns cannot comment publicly on a live court case.
As for the end of the game on Saturday I found it all a bit dispiriting. Whatever the Donegal man said or didn't say, he was out of order goading the Armagh bench. Management and or a senior player like Murphy should sit down with him and explain it isn't acceptable and not how he should be conducting himself.
However, there is still no justification at all for people running towards him and attacking him. I despair of this kind of thing in the GAA, this idea that people deserve to be struck or that it can be justified. It can't. It's been good to see players being punished under the new rules for on field nonsense. I've been happy to see some repeat Tyrone offenders being dealt with this season and I'm sure it will reduce stupid behaviour on the field. In this case we need long bans for those involved in those scenes at the end of the game on Saturday, a real statement that violence is totally unacceptable.
It was also very disappointing in the context of the game which had been a terrific contest.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 05:37:11 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 04:34:02 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 04:15:52 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 04:02:18 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:42:38 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 12, 2025, 03:40:31 PMQuote from: Armagh18 on May 12, 2025, 03:16:13 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 12, 2025, 02:59:32 PMWhat the difference on McFerry acting the p***k to McQuillan on the goalkeeper? No need for it in the game. As far as I can see, 2 Armagh men striking plus 1 rugby tackling u man to the ground. This craic has never went out of Armagh going bck to Kierans tenure at the start, with the Cavan parade.leading on to Tyrone league game, Galway couple yrs ago and sats game. Where the overall team Displince at?
Say theres a difference in a player in the middle of the game trying to get into a keepers head and put him under pressure and a tr**p calling fellow Irish men Brits. Couldn't bate him hard enough.
So your argument boils down to if someone believes the words are mean enough then assault is a justified response? No surprise we saw that on Saturday if that's the mentality held by some. Puzzling.
Yep. Big problem in the world is that a lot of people seem to think they can say and do what they like with no repercussions. Sometimes a belt in the jaw is not only justified but badly needed.
Jim McGuinness would have been justified in belting Aidan Forker in the jaw then?
Forker was up roaring in his face at the end of the game, looked like something nasty was being said.
Honestly didn't see that and don't know. But knowing Aidan he wasn't asking Jim round for tea. Highly doubt he was calling him a Brit or anything like that though.
It's on the TV coverage at the end of the game, very clear footage.
You said a couple of comments ago if someone has interpreted the words as nasty enough then they are justified in responding with violence. You don't know what McFadden Ferry said and you don't know what Forker said, yet you think violence is an appropriate response in only one of the two scenarios?
Maybe I'm wasting my time appealing to logic here.
Won't be watching that back for a while anyway, maybe if we win an Ulster I will! May leave it at that.
You could have just said from the start that there was no rhyme or reason to what you were saying, only emotion. Would have saved us time.
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 13, 2025, 12:09:57 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 12, 2025, 08:04:42 PMBe interesting to see what action if any is taken. Armagh can could themselves lucky that Burns is in charge.
Plenty to say about Gallagher nothing to say about Nugent or rows involving Armagh.
I can't believe the amount of people saying this on social media too. It's very simple, Burns cannot comment publicly on a live court case.
As for the end of the game on Saturday I found it all a bit dispiriting. Whatever the Donegal man said or didn't say, he was out of order goading the Armagh bench. Management and or a senior player like Murphy should sit down with him and explain it isn't acceptable and not how he should be conducting himself.
However, there is still no justification at all for people running towards him and attacking him. I despair of this kind of thing in the GAA, this idea that people deserve to be struck or that it can be justified. It can't. It's been good to see players being punished under the new rules for on field nonsense. I've been happy to see some repeat Tyrone offenders being dealt with this season and I'm sure it will reduce stupid behaviour on the field. In this case we need long bans for those involved in those scenes at the end of the game on Saturday, a real statement that violence is totally unacceptable.
It was also very disappointing in the context of the game which had been a terrific contest.
cant argue with any of that
Quote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 13, 2025, 12:09:57 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 12, 2025, 08:04:42 PMBe interesting to see what action if any is taken. Armagh can could themselves lucky that Burns is in charge.
Plenty to say about Gallagher nothing to say about Nugent or rows involving Armagh.
I can't believe the amount of people saying this on social media too. It's very simple, Burns cannot comment publicly on a live court case.
As for the end of the game on Saturday I found it all a bit dispiriting. Whatever the Donegal man said or didn't say, he was out of order goading the Armagh bench. Management and or a senior player like Murphy should sit down with him and explain it isn't acceptable and not how he should be conducting himself.
However, there is still no justification at all for people running towards him and attacking him. I despair of this kind of thing in the GAA, this idea that people deserve to be struck or that it can be justified. It can't. It's been good to see players being punished under the new rules for on field nonsense. I've been happy to see some repeat Tyrone offenders being dealt with this season and I'm sure it will reduce stupid behaviour on the field. In this case we need long bans for those involved in those scenes at the end of the game on Saturday, a real statement that violence is totally unacceptable.
It was also very disappointing in the context of the game which had been a terrific contest.
Do you think he will say anything after the court case? RG wasnt found guilty of anything but Burns still took action.
Cant have it both ways.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 08:04:46 AMQuote from: Lamh Dhearg Alba on May 13, 2025, 12:09:57 AMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 12, 2025, 08:04:42 PMBe interesting to see what action if any is taken. Armagh can could themselves lucky that Burns is in charge.
Plenty to say about Gallagher nothing to say about Nugent or rows involving Armagh.
I can't believe the amount of people saying this on social media too. It's very simple, Burns cannot comment publicly on a live court case.
As for the end of the game on Saturday I found it all a bit dispiriting. Whatever the Donegal man said or didn't say, he was out of order goading the Armagh bench. Management and or a senior player like Murphy should sit down with him and explain it isn't acceptable and not how he should be conducting himself.
However, there is still no justification at all for people running towards him and attacking him. I despair of this kind of thing in the GAA, this idea that people deserve to be struck or that it can be justified. It can't. It's been good to see players being punished under the new rules for on field nonsense. I've been happy to see some repeat Tyrone offenders being dealt with this season and I'm sure it will reduce stupid behaviour on the field. In this case we need long bans for those involved in those scenes at the end of the game on Saturday, a real statement that violence is totally unacceptable.
It was also very disappointing in the context of the game which had been a terrific contest.
Do you think he will say anything after the court case? RG wasnt found guilty of anything but Burns still took action.
Cant have it both ways.
Perhaps. But surely it is also possible to learn a lesson, without being portrayed as a hypocrite.
He will make comment after all has gone through the courts I'm sure.
There's a serious amount of Arsène Wengerism going on in your posts Armagh18
We're in danger of hijacking this thread - but on Jarlath Burns there is, imo, clear wrongdoing on his part in the RG case. He'd earn some respect back if he held his hands up and said he got that one wrong. However, if he believes he was entirely in the right, then he should be doubling down now and re-iterating the GAA's stance on domestic violence and violence against women. He can do that without directly commenting on any live case. Why hasn't he done that?
RG was also disbarred (or is it debarred) from the GAA until they carried out their own investigations - I actually have no issue with that if its an investigation over something that happened within the GAA (in other words something they have the right and power to investigate), but in the RG case it wasn't and so the disbarring order was lifted. Once again, either Burns admits they got it wrong, or he doubles down and takes the same action here until they do their own investigation or at least pending the outcome of the legal case.
The precedent has been set in the RG case and now he needs to maintain that level of scrutiny over all members who commit crime of any sort - especially crimes against women given how that was his argument. OR be seen as a hypocrite. The Armagh slant to it now does him no favours and smells like protecting your own.
would say given its a live criminal matter the GAA lawyers would be telling him to keep well away from the matter until after the trial has concluded for fear of undue influence.
as a counter balance my view ( altho not my mrs view) is that he shouldn`t have gotten so publicly involved in rg.
Quote from: naka on May 13, 2025, 10:16:18 AMwould say given its a live criminal matter the GAA lawyers would be telling him to keep well away from the matter until after the trial has concluded for fear of undue influence.
as a counter balance my view ( altho not my mrs view) is that he shouldn`t have gotten so publicly involved in rg.
Was he not thrown under the bus by the club in question? He sent an email to the club chairman which became public from their side? I don't believe he wanted to go public but rather wanted to keep it in-house? I'd say, in any case, if he had it all to do again he would have done it differently as it has left him open to accusations of hypocrisy.
I wonder will the RG issue be Jarlath's lasting legacy as GAA President.
It's a shame if it is, as he is a great GAA man. A great orator and promoter of our games.
Other presidents will be remembered for the development of Croke Park, removing rule 42, opening CP to other sports etc, but this could well be his.
Quote from: AustinPowers on May 13, 2025, 10:31:57 AMI wonder will the RG issue be Jarlath's lasting legacy as GAA President.
It's a shame if it is, as he is a great GAA man. A great orator and promoter of our games.
Other presidents will be remembered for the development of Croke Park, removing rule 42, opening CP to other sports etc, but this could well be his.
Well he did get the ball rolling on the FRC, so I'm sure he'll be remembered and get blame/credit for all these rule changes.
I was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
Quote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
You lot must be bored stupid or can't think of anything else to talk about rather than a bit of a row after the game was over and worse still about Jarleth Burns commenting on a court case. Away and put a set of frilly knickers on yis FFS, this thread is for talk of football. Use the appropriate thread for that crap so I know to stay the feck away from it.
On a separate note and football related...anyone know when the match tickets are due out for upcoming games
Quote from: illdecide on May 13, 2025, 11:38:01 AMOn a separate note and football related...anyone know when the match tickets are due out for upcoming games
Providing dates/times and venues would also be helpful.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
I'd say you're very worried about Armagh. Did this "attitude" hold them back last year? By the way, how many cards did Armagh & Donegal get on Saturday?
Quote from: APM on May 13, 2025, 01:08:07 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
I'd say you're very worried about Armagh. Did this "attitude" hold them back last year? By the way, how many cards did Armagh & Donegal get on Saturday?
Lets wait and see how many cards or suspensions they may still get for that game.
I thought the game was played in a good spirit with two teams going at it full throttle. The stuff after the final whistle wasn't in keeping with how the game was played.
Mcf ferry is alleged to have called the Armagh subs 'orange British cnuts'. If that's true, then he deserves every belt that he got and more. He was heavily involved in the row in the league game in Letterkenny a few years ago and has history in Donegal with disgusting comments to opponents in club football. He needs to clean up his act. Celebrate the victory with your own and have a wee bit of class and dignity when winning.
Quote from: Silver hill on May 13, 2025, 03:48:42 PMMcf ferry is alleged to have called the Armagh subs 'orange British cnuts'. If that's true, then he deserves every belt that he got and more. He was heavily involved in the row in the league game in Letterkenny a few years ago and has history in Donegal with disgusting comments to opponents in club football. He needs to clean up his act. Celebrate the victory with your own and have a wee bit of class and dignity when winning.
Widely reported to have given an Armagh player racial abuse in Letterkenny as well. Like I said, wasn't hit hard enough.
Quote from: Silver hill on May 13, 2025, 03:48:42 PMMcf ferry is alleged to have called the Armagh subs 'orange British cnuts'. If that's true, then he deserves every belt that he got and more. He was heavily involved in the row in the league game in Letterkenny a few years ago and has history in Donegal with disgusting comments to opponents in club football. He needs to clean up his act. Celebrate the victory with your own and have a wee bit of class and dignity when winning.
Maybe a reference there to our county colours? There's something odd about labelling our south Armagh brethren British. Try walking into a pub in Crossmaglen and saying that.
Quote from: Armamike on May 13, 2025, 04:35:16 PMQuote from: Silver hill on May 13, 2025, 03:48:42 PMMcf ferry is alleged to have called the Armagh subs 'orange British cnuts'. If that's true, then he deserves every belt that he got and more. He was heavily involved in the row in the league game in Letterkenny a few years ago and has history in Donegal with disgusting comments to opponents in club football. He needs to clean up his act. Celebrate the victory with your own and have a wee bit of class and dignity when winning.
Maybe a reference there to our county colours? There's something odd about labelling our south Armagh brethren British. Try walking into a pub in Crossmaglen and saying that.
He should head up to the three steps inn, Dromintee and share that sentiment with the locals.
Quote from: Armamike on May 13, 2025, 01:16:25 PMI thought the game was played in a good spirit with two teams going at it full throttle. The stuff after the final whistle wasn't in keeping with how the game was played.
Thought the same. Dunno what happened at the end to start it all. Obviously have read what was allegedly said which isn't good but will wait and see how it all
Pans out
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
So you're not condoning, just explaining and excusing? What about McQuillan acting the **** in Patton's face because they so gloriously turned over one of his kickouts? Presumably that was hard to take for the Donegal boys and maybe influenced their actions?
The parade started in front of where we were sitting and as Patton passed by mcquillan he was shouting in his face, mcquillan was mouthing back and they were both at the verbals after this as they began to walk forward. Players in the heat of the moment may shout and mouth at each other (this has been the case forever) but to come off with the alleged sectarian abuse is not acceptable. But this isn't the
1st time that same Donegal player has done this. Fight should not have happened but more interestingly it was incredible to see the Gardai stand and watch Donegal fans trying to push flares into players faces, more dangerous than anything else that happened.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
Quote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
I'm no fan of Armagh but the intensity of that game, players devastated by defeat you celebrate with your team-mates. Was inevitable he'd get thumped. To do that after the game was the utter madness. However the whole thing is being overcooked. No-one was injured wasn't that bad...
So, verbals during the game fine, verbals after the game not fine?
In juvenile games I've stopped play, booked players who give verbals after their team has scored, purely the ones that goad a player, not your yeha ones..
We don't want to lose the passion but certainly goading is wrong and needs stamped out, but starting a riot over it is over the top
Quote from: Truthsayer on May 13, 2025, 06:28:07 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
I'm no fan of Armagh but the intensity of that game, players devastated by defeat you celebrate with your team-mates. Was inevitable he'd get thumped. To do that after the game was the utter madness. However the whole thing is being overcooked. No-one was injured wasn't that bad...
Common sense post
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2025, 06:42:06 PMWe don't want to lose the passion but certainly goading is wrong and needs stamped out, but starting a riot over it is over the top
A riot????FFS
Quote from: mackers on May 13, 2025, 06:53:53 PMQuote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2025, 06:42:06 PMWe don't want to lose the passion but certainly goading is wrong and needs stamped out, but starting a riot over it is over the top
A riot????FFS
Did you not see the water cannons, bricks and petrol bombs?
Without condoning or condemning any actions I'd be very surprised if there's any suspensions arising out of the post match incidents.
The procedure for dealing with such things is difficult unless either the referee sees it or the official footage records it.
Quote from: mackers on May 13, 2025, 06:52:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 13, 2025, 06:28:07 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
I'm no fan of Armagh but the intensity of that game, players devastated by defeat you celebrate with your team-mates. Was inevitable he'd get thumped. To do that after the game was the utter madness. However the whole thing is being overcooked. No-one was injured wasn't that bad...
Common sense post
So we keep going until someone gets seriously injured ? Sounds about right for the gaa
How about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
To be fair I think some of them have been it's out of line and so were the other team. Neither justifies the other.
For the avoidance of doubt. It was reprehensible to run the width of the pitch (partially while the game was still technically on) to taunt and allegedly sectarianly abuse a vanquished opponent. That though does not justify anyone taking retribution in to their own hands and punching said player for his actions.
Both should be suspended but I doubt either will.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 08:12:29 PMQuote from: mackers on May 13, 2025, 06:52:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 13, 2025, 06:28:07 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
I'm no fan of Armagh but the intensity of that game, players devastated by defeat you celebrate with your team-mates. Was inevitable he'd get thumped. To do that after the game was the utter madness. However the whole thing is being overcooked. No-one was injured wasn't that bad...
Common sense post
So we keep going until someone gets seriously injured ? Sounds about right for the gaa
It was a wrestling match! OK one match suspension.. move along
Quote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
Nobody wants to see fighting. It has no place on a pitch. Do you not agree though that it is totally unacceptable for an opponent to goad like that and to say what he is alleged to have? But let's get real here, what other response was he likely to get? This is pressure cooker championship stuff. It doesn't get much more intense.
As for not responding to taunts during a game, players know the consequences for them and the team on the day, and in the game, if they lash out.
Quote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
Man up ffs.
Quote from: Armamike on May 13, 2025, 09:00:06 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
Nobody wants to see fighting. It has no place on a pitch. Do you not agree though that it is totally unacceptable for an opponent to goad like that and to say what he is alleged to have? But let's get real here, what other response was he likely to get? This is pressure cooker championship stuff. It doesn't get much more intense.
As for not responding to taunts during a game, players know the consequences for them and the team on the day, and in the game, if they lash out.
It's still the same if you punch someone after a game, albeit the team will not be a man down.
As you say it's a pressure cooker for both, so letting off steam does not mean you get a dig in the bake for it and embarrass your county for it.
What did McGuinness do to get special attention?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 13, 2025, 03:51:20 PMQuote from: Silver hill on May 13, 2025, 03:48:42 PMMcf ferry is alleged to have called the Armagh subs 'orange British cnuts'. If that's true, then he deserves every belt that he got and more. He was heavily involved in the row in the league game in Letterkenny a few years ago and has history in Donegal with disgusting comments to opponents in club football. He needs to clean up his act. Celebrate the victory with your own and have a wee bit of class and dignity when winning.
Widely reported to have given an Armagh player racial abuse in Letterkenny as well. Like I said, wasn't hit hard enough.
Widely reported where?
That's a serious allegation to be making, especially with the benefit of internet anonymity.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 13, 2025, 09:35:12 PMQuote from: Armamike on May 13, 2025, 09:00:06 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
Nobody wants to see fighting. It has no place on a pitch. Do you not agree though that it is totally unacceptable for an opponent to goad like that and to say what he is alleged to have? But let's get real here, what other response was he likely to get? This is pressure cooker championship stuff. It doesn't get much more intense.
As for not responding to taunts during a game, players know the consequences for them and the team on the day, and in the game, if they lash out.
It's still the same if you punch someone after a game, albeit the team will not be a man down.
As you say it's a pressure cooker for both, so letting off steam does not mean you get a dig in the bake for it and embarrass your county for it.
What did McGuinness do to get special attention?
I don't think you got my point so won't labour it.
I've no idea what was going on with McGuiness other than Aidan Forker having words with him.
Quote from: gallsman on May 13, 2025, 05:12:45 PMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
So you're not condoning, just explaining and excusing? What about McQuillan acting the **** in Patton's face because they so gloriously turned over one of his kickouts? Presumably that was hard to take for the Donegal boys and maybe influenced their actions?
McQuillan wasn't alone in sledging going on throughout the match. You couldn't see it on TV but live both sides were at it. St Michael was giving Forker loads of verbals at the start, presumably reminding him of his short stay the last day. This is going on in all sports not just GAA. I watch a lotto Hurling and football and the idea that it is only Armagh is bullshit.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 08:12:29 PMQuote from: mackers on May 13, 2025, 06:52:49 PMQuote from: Truthsayer on May 13, 2025, 06:28:07 PMQuote from: greatpoint on May 13, 2025, 06:20:37 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on May 13, 2025, 11:29:36 AMQuote from: 93-DY-SAM on May 13, 2025, 11:17:41 AMQuote from: Applesisapples on May 13, 2025, 11:06:38 AMI was at the match, disappointing result, Armagh did not get the rub of the green, that said the second Donegal goal, failure to push up on Donegal sickouts in the first 20 and their own dire sickouts in that same period put them on the back foot. Some harsh calls from the ref undoubtedly but I'm not sure that it took the game out of Armagh's hands, I'm not neutral so difficult to assess. The row at the end was all down to the Donegal player goading. In Rugby the ref will cite the player causing the fracas. I'm not condoning in anyway what the Armagh bench did, but I imagine it was hard to take. Not much between the two but both need to improve to go further. What concerned me more than the players going at it was the number of Donegal fans on the pitch surrounding the majority of Armagh players who weren't involved it could have been nasty if one ejit hits a player. I love Donegal as a county and as a team, I was a big fan of McGuiness as a player it is disappointing to see this rancour.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Are the Armagh lads that sensitive that they couldn't have enough restraint at the end of the game, not to go flying in all guns blazing? It comes across as poorly on them as it does on the Donegal lad who should have had more cop on. Disappointing in the context of it being a good game.
I am not a fan of the goading or screaming at opposition however Armagh does plenty of this at every tight game. For me its case of if you can give it you can take it. When Armagh does it the opposition does not start a mass brawl. Armagh have been at it now with Galway, Tyrone, Donegal. Its almost as if they are trying to show how hard they are. I have said it for a number of years that this hard man attitude has held Armagh back.
It's incredible that no one on here from Armagh seems to think responsibility should be taken for the violence we saw on Saturday. Again, justifying assaulting someone because of something verbal is utter madness.
I'm no fan of Armagh but the intensity of that game, players devastated by defeat you celebrate with your team-mates. Was inevitable he'd get thumped. To do that after the game was the utter madness. However the whole thing is being overcooked. No-one was injured wasn't that bad...
Common sense post
So we keep going until someone gets seriously injured ? Sounds about right for the gaa
If it had only been the players on the pitch, like you see in rugby it would have petered out, given the that Donegal fans were surrounding both teams, those that weren't involved that is where the danger was of someone getting seriously hurt.
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
Seen a clip of Forker and McGuinness, looks to be the 2 of them are trying to split things up and Forker seems to be letting him know that McFadden Ferry said something he shouldn't have.
Anyway, move on, doubtful there will be bans unless theres proper footage that hasn't been released.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
There's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
Quote from: mackers on May 14, 2025, 12:01:59 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
There's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
If a tiny bit of extra spite and motivation matters, then maybe. But then I thought that could be the case on Saturday and they were still locked together at a near impasse. But in fairness so were Tyrone and Armagh in 2005. Tyrone just happened to be a point ahead when the whistle blew in the semi, just like us at the weekend.
Quote from: mackers on May 14, 2025, 12:01:59 PMThere's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
Remember this well and thinking it would come back to bite
Quote from: mackers on May 14, 2025, 12:01:59 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
There's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
All ifs and buts but Armagh had plenty of chances that day to win it but kicked too many wides.
If we meet Donegal again I'd expect us to be highly motivated and focused after this defeat. But would also expect Donegal to be honed in on winning an AI. Would probably be another very tight one!
Quote from: J70 on May 14, 2025, 12:14:56 PMQuote from: mackers on May 14, 2025, 12:01:59 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
There's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
If a tiny bit of extra spite and motivation matters, then maybe. But then I thought that could be the case on Saturday and they were still locked together at a near impasse. But in fairness so were Tyrone and Armagh in 2005. Tyrone just happened to be a point ahead when the whistle blew in the semi, just like us at the weekend.
That's about it.
Quote from: Armamike on May 14, 2025, 01:21:36 PMQuote from: mackers on May 14, 2025, 12:01:59 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
There's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
All ifs and buts but Armagh had plenty of chances that day to win it but kicked too many wides.
If we meet Donegal again I'd expect us to be highly motivated and focused after this defeat. But would also expect Donegal to be honed in on winning an AI. Would probably be another very tight one!
I don't believe 'over celebrating' the 2005 Ulster Final victory in anyway contributed to the semi-final loss. Armagh actually played their best game of 2005 against Tyrone in that match. Unfortunately the excellence of the overall team performance was undone at crucial stages by a few individual errors.
And for what it's worth, I don't believe the Ulster Final victory was over celebrated at all.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2025, 01:29:27 PMI don't believe 'over celebrating' the 2005 Ulster Final victory in anyway contributed to the semi-final loss. Armagh actually played their best game of 2005 against Tyrone in that match. Unfortunately the excellence of the overall team performance was undone at crucial stages by a few individual errors.
And for what it's worth, I don't believe the Ulster Final victory was over celebrated at all.
I agree. While there was a perception that Tyrone had an advantage in the semi-final, the reality is that Tyrone probably should have won Ulster and we should have won the semi-final. There was nothing between the teams, it just happened that Tyrone were ahead at the whistle.
The corollary of this is that we do not have any advantage if we play Donegal again, we just have to cut down the errors.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armamike on May 14, 2025, 01:21:36 PMQuote from: mackers on May 14, 2025, 12:01:59 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
There's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
All ifs and buts but Armagh had plenty of chances that day to win it but kicked too many wides.
If we meet Donegal again I'd expect us to be highly motivated and focused after this defeat. But would also expect Donegal to be honed in on winning an AI. Would probably be another very tight one!
I don't believe 'over celebrating' the 2005 Ulster Final victory in anyway contributed to the semi-final loss. Armagh actually played their best game of 2005 against Tyrone in that match. Unfortunately the excellence of the overall team performance was undone at crucial stages by a few individual errors.
And for what it's worth, I don't believe the Ulster Final victory was over celebrated at all.
Might have had something to do with the other team being even more excellent, no?
Quote from: red hander on May 14, 2025, 02:32:23 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armamike on May 14, 2025, 01:21:36 PMQuote from: mackers on May 14, 2025, 12:01:59 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
There's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
All ifs and buts but Armagh had plenty of chances that day to win it but kicked too many wides.
If we meet Donegal again I'd expect us to be highly motivated and focused after this defeat. But would also expect Donegal to be honed in on winning an AI. Would probably be another very tight one!
I don't believe 'over celebrating' the 2005 Ulster Final victory in anyway contributed to the semi-final loss. Armagh actually played their best game of 2005 against Tyrone in that match. Unfortunately the excellence of the overall team performance was undone at crucial stages by a few individual errors.
And for what it's worth, I don't believe the Ulster Final victory was over celebrated at all.
Might have had something to do with the other team being even more excellent, no?
No, because the other team were not more excellent.
Quote from: red hander on May 14, 2025, 02:32:23 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2025, 01:29:27 PMQuote from: Armamike on May 14, 2025, 01:21:36 PMQuote from: mackers on May 14, 2025, 12:01:59 PMQuote from: bennydorano on May 14, 2025, 11:05:17 AMQuote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2025, 10:49:43 PMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 13, 2025, 08:36:12 PMHow about a supporter puts the blame on their team for what happened. Ever comment on here is, it's out of line BUT!!!
Donegal boy shouldn't have done what he done. Armagh ones shouldn't have reacted the way they did. But he did and they did. It'll be dealt with and we will move on. Sin é
It's very clear there's little or no sympathy for McFadden Ferry bar from his own. He fucked around and found out, tighten him. There might be suspensions but there'll be few regrets imo - and 2 well motivated teams.
There's definitely shades of 2005 around all of this. We won the Ulster title against Tyrone and properly over-celebrated a win after a match that had its fair share of spite and nastiness. It came back to bite us in the AI semi. Will history repeat itself??
All ifs and buts but Armagh had plenty of chances that day to win it but kicked too many wides.
If we meet Donegal again I'd expect us to be highly motivated and focused after this defeat. But would also expect Donegal to be honed in on winning an AI. Would probably be another very tight one!
I don't believe 'over celebrating' the 2005 Ulster Final victory in anyway contributed to the semi-final loss. Armagh actually played their best game of 2005 against Tyrone in that match. Unfortunately the excellence of the overall team performance was undone at crucial stages by a few individual errors.
And for what it's worth, I don't believe the Ulster Final victory was over celebrated at all.
Might have had something to do with the other team being even more excellent, no?
The other team was excellent, young Red, no doubt - but the errors I'm thinking of were individual misjudgements, albeit probably brought about by the pressure of the situation. Unforced errors, as Dan Maskell used to say at Wimbledon.
I'd say Armagh will take something from the hurt of losing the other day and that of course will be a help however small if we were to meet Donegal again. However the biggest boost we'll get is that boys who didn't play Saturday will hopefully be back for a potential meeting down the line whereas Donegal were full out.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2025, 03:05:43 PMThe other team was excellent, young Red, no doubt - but the errors I'm thinking of were individual misjudgements, albeit probably brought about by the pressure of the situation. Unforced errors, as Dan Maskell used to say at Wimbledon.
Some people think that even the manager made an unforced error. Not sure that I agree.
Quote from: Kernan_is_King on May 14, 2025, 03:23:27 PMQuote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 14, 2025, 03:05:43 PMThe other team was excellent, young Red, no doubt - but the errors I'm thinking of were individual misjudgements, albeit probably brought about by the pressure of the situation. Unforced errors, as Dan Maskell used to say at Wimbledon.
Some people think that even the manager made an unforced error. Not sure that I agree.
hmmm, if youre referring to a particular substitution I would disagree with you
Armagh biggest problem is they didn't handle Murphy. Who didn't play the year before. Unless they find a player to mark him i take Donegal to beat Armagh again if they met.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2025, 07:10:10 PMArmagh biggest problem is they didn't handle Murphy. Who didn't play the year before. Unless they find a player to mark him i take Donegal to beat Armagh again if they met.
Yes I agree but by the same token I'm not sure Murphy could be quite as influential on the future occasion. He was outstanding last weekend. I still think he's the best player of the last 15 or so years.
Perhaps if McKay returns that would be a help in that regard?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2025, 07:10:10 PMArmagh biggest problem is they didn't handle Murphy. Who didn't play the year before. Unless they find a player to mark him i take Donegal to beat Armagh again if they met.
Is it correct that they can't meet until final ?
If so fancy Galway to beat Donegal
Armagh getting mc Kay and Rian back fit would assist them greatly
Quote from: lurganblue on May 15, 2025, 08:43:09 AMPerhaps if McKay returns that would be a help in that regard?
Absolutely.
Quote from: naka on May 15, 2025, 09:00:22 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2025, 07:10:10 PMArmagh biggest problem is they didn't handle Murphy. Who didn't play the year before. Unless they find a player to mark him i take Donegal to beat Armagh again if they met.
Is it correct that they can't meet until final ?
If so fancy Galway to beat Donegal
Armagh getting mc Kay and Rian back fit would assist them greatly
Aye is that true that they can't meet until final or does repeat pairings from group take precedence.
Mightnt be possible to avoid each other if 3 from the one group make the semis.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 15, 2025, 08:43:09 AMPerhaps if McKay returns that would be a help in that regard?
Bring back Francie Bellew.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 15, 2025, 06:51:05 PMQuote from: lurganblue on May 15, 2025, 08:43:09 AMPerhaps if McKay returns that would be a help in that regard?
Bring back Francie Bellew.
He might stop ya leaking goals
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 15, 2025, 12:49:36 PMQuote from: naka on May 15, 2025, 09:00:22 AMQuote from: Wildweasel74 on May 14, 2025, 07:10:10 PMArmagh biggest problem is they didn't handle Murphy. Who didn't play the year before. Unless they find a player to mark him i take Donegal to beat Armagh again if they met.
Is it correct that they can't meet until final ?
If so fancy Galway to beat Donegal
Armagh getting mc Kay and Rian back fit would assist them greatly
Aye is that true that they can't meet until final or does repeat pairings from group take precedence.
Mightnt be possible to avoid each other if 3 from the one group make the semis.
I don't think that's the case - if possible repeat pairings from provincial final and group stages will be avoided, but it will depend on who progresses.
I also think people are getting a bit carried away here, there seems to be a narrative that these are the best two teams in the country and they'll surely meet again in the final - they're definitely up there in the top 6, but to my mind there's nothing between any of them and I'd suggest it's unlikely that we'll see them meet again in championship this year. In particular I was disappointed by Donegal who I thought were fortunate to sneak the win and haven't really evolved to the extent they needed to from last year - there might be a case that they've regressed? Mchugh, Mogan and Langan haven't been as instrumental this year to date and you'd wonder has Jim really figured out what's needed for success with these rules?
In any case, there are some great games to look forward to over the next month, bring them in!!
I don't believe either of them are in the top 2. Dublin, Kerry and Galway are ahead of them in my view and Tyrone have better players than both.
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 16, 2025, 11:15:02 AMI don't believe either of them are in the top 2. Dublin, Kerry and Galway are ahead of them in my view and Tyrone have better players than both.
You think Tyrone have better players than who? Donegal and Armagh? You're mad in the head lol
Why would you have Dublin above them? I understand the other two and I wouldn't be sure on Tyrone having better players than both - in fact currently I don't think that's true.
Quote from: Applesisapples on May 16, 2025, 11:15:02 AMI don't believe either of them are in the top 2. Dublin, Kerry and Galway are ahead of them in my view and Tyrone have better players than both.
;D
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
What a beautiful way for Armagh to lose and tyrone head into the semis. Armagh strongest ever panel really stood up today......
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 06:07:00 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
What a beautiful way for Armagh to lose and tyrone head into the semis. Armagh strongest ever panel really stood up today......
How long have you been waiting to post that? ;D
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 06:07:00 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
What a beautiful way for Armagh to lose and tyrone head into the semis. Armagh strongest ever panel really stood up today......
Best of luck in the semi final against Kerry, You'll need it.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 29, 2025, 06:22:36 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 06:07:00 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
What a beautiful way for Armagh to lose and tyrone head into the semis. Armagh strongest ever panel really stood up today......
Best of luck in the semi final against Kerry, You'll need it.
100% will need it. Only a bit of craic. Cant see anything other than a comfortable win for kerry based on today.
Quote from: J70 on June 29, 2025, 06:20:55 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on June 29, 2025, 06:07:00 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
What a beautiful way for Armagh to lose and tyrone head into the semis. Armagh strongest ever panel really stood up today......
How long have you been waiting to post that? ;D
I'm gonna guess just over two months 😜
Quote from: flowerpot on April 26, 2025, 08:10:11 PMQuote from: tyrone08 on April 26, 2025, 06:44:58 PMQuote from: Captain Obvious on April 26, 2025, 06:32:41 PMWhat absolutely beautiful way for Armagh to win and Tyrone to lose a championship game. Tyrone heads in Clones had themselves convinced they had the match won when 0-22 to 0-20 ahead with minutes to play however they head home and out of the Ulster championship with tails between their legs. ;D
Ironically if they meet again i would be far more confident they will win. Keep in touch with ai champs whole way even with 100% kickniut success for armagh
Just home this post made my day, keep her lit lad. ;D
Hopefully Armagh keep her lit lad ;D